From twibright at hispeed.ch  Mon Dec  1 09:03:40 2008
From: twibright at hispeed.ch (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:03:40 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] RONJA and Manchester encoding
Message-ID: <17711560.1228122221306.JavaMail.root@viefep11.chello.at>

---- Russell Valentine <russ at coldstonelabs.org> schrieb:
> I was trying to understand how the RONJA works some more. If I am to 
> understand this correctly the Manchester encoding used in 10BASE-T has a 
> maximum frequency of 20Mhz. The TX discriminator seems to run off 16Mhz.

The maximum frequency in the Manchester encoding is 10 MHz. But indeed, the discriminators run off 16 MHz.

Karel
> 
> This blows my mind.
> 
> Is it that 16Mhz is close enough that it works, or what am I missing 
> something?
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> 
> 
> Russell Valentine
> 
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From russ at coldstonelabs.org  Mon Dec  1 18:32:03 2008
From: russ at coldstonelabs.org (Russell Valentine)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:32:03 -0600
Subject: [Ronja] RONJA and Manchester encoding
In-Reply-To: <17711560.1228122221306.JavaMail.root@viefep11.chello.at>
References: <17711560.1228122221306.JavaMail.root@viefep11.chello.at>
Message-ID: <49342DA3.7060204@coldstonelabs.org>

Karel Kulhavy wrote:
> ---- Russell Valentine <russ at coldstonelabs.org> schrieb:
>> I was trying to understand how the RONJA works some more. If I am to 
>> understand this correctly the Manchester encoding used in 10BASE-T has a 
>> maximum frequency of 20Mhz. The TX discriminator seems to run off 16Mhz.
> 
> The maximum frequency in the Manchester encoding is 10 MHz. But indeed, the discriminators run off 16 MHz.
> 
> Karel


I see, I was thinking about it all wrong. Thank you for your help.


Russell Valentine



From ladmanj at volny.cz  Fri Dec  5 09:16:57 2008
From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:16:57 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Neco se deje
In-Reply-To: <30551611.1227779653022.JavaMail.root@viefep11.chello.at>
References: <30551611.1227779653022.JavaMail.root@viefep11.chello.at>
Message-ID: <200812051016.57069.ladmanj@volny.cz>

To jako ze TEK se sam prepina z rezimu do rezimu a navic takto zhoubne ovlada 
pres sit ostatni merici pristroje?

Co takhle servis?
Snad tohle ve svycarsku funguje lip nez v Cechach, tady pry je s servisem TEKu 
velky problem... neochota a cena servisu ktera dosahuje ceny noveho 
pristroje.

Pokud jsem pohadku pochopil spatne, tak se omlouvam.

BTW: kdyz pises ze budes muset prerusit vyvoj, smim se zeptat na cem jsi 
aktualne pracoval? Kvuli pracovnimu nasazeni deni okolo ronji nesleduju nijak 
systematicky ale niceho noveho od twisteru2 jsem si nevsiml.

Jakub Ladman

Dne Thursday 27 of November 2008 10:54:10 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
> Dostal jsem pocit, ze bych asi mel vyvoj na projektu Ronja do odvolani
> zastavit. Tezko se takova nahla a radikalni zmena vysvetluje tak jsem se
> rozhodl to vysvetlit formou pohadky:
>
> Mimozemstane leteli okolo planety 465B Tektronix a rozhodli se, ze
> nehostinnou planetu osidli nejakym zivotem. Vysadili proto na planetu
> samorozmnozujici se osciloskopy. Takovy osciloskop je slozity elektronicky
> pristroj, s kterym se daji delat uzasne veci, a ma na prednim panelu
> spoustu cudliku, kterymi se funkce nastavuji a prepinaji. Jeho dusevni
> funkce jsou ale pomerne omezene, takze mu jde uvazovani pomalu a obtizne.
>
> Na planete se rodily nove osciloskopy a kazdy osciloskop pri narozeni mel
> cudliky nahodne nastavene. Osciloskopy si vsimly, ze kazdy ma jine
> nastaveni a ze kazdy je schopen delat jenom jednu funkci - tu ktera mu byla
> sudickami pri zrozeni nastavena.
>
> Jednim z osciloskopu byl i Jay, kteremu zaclo byt lito, ze on muze delat
> jen jednu funkci. Zatouzil zjisti, jak obvody uvnitr jeho sameho funguji, a
> snil o tom, ze svoje cudliky bude moct prepinat a tak zpristupnit drive
> nevidane obzory svych moznosti.
>
> Nejdriv ho napadlo, jestli mimozemstani nekde na planete nezanechali
> manual. Hledal po cele planete ale zjistil, ze zadny manual neexistuje. Po
> namahavem cestovani sedela doma sklesle v beznadeji, ze se jeho sen nikdy
> nevyplni.
>
> Pak ho napadlo, jestli by nemohl cudliky na sobe prepinat a koukat se, jaky
> to bude mit vliv na jeho funkci. Zjistil ale, ze cudliky jsou za roky jeho
> zivota tak zarezle a zacpane hlinou, ze se daji prepinat jen velmi stezi.
> Tudy cesta nevedla.
>
> Jay byl opet sklesly a bylo mu smutno, ze jeho sen se zhroutil. K cemu by
> mu bylo znat funkci cudliku, kdyz je stejne skoro nejde prepinat?
>
> Pak ho neco napadlo. To mu sice k nicemu nebude, ale kdyz bude znat funkci
> cudliku, bude moct predvidat, jak se budou chovat ostatni osciloskopy
> protoze je videt, jak jsou cudliky na jejich prednim panelu nastavene. Kdyz
> bude chtit pouzit nejakou funkci, staci kdyz vyhleda osciloskop ktery bude
> mit to spravne nastaveni. Takze se k neprebernemu spektru funkci prece jen
> dostane!
>
> Jay zajasal, a zacal premyslet, jestli by prece jen funkci cudliku nejak
> zjistit.  Najednou dostal napad. Zacal chodit po planete a bavit se se
> vsemi moznymi osciloskopy.  Kazdeho se ptal na jeho zivot a z toho pak
> poznal, jake nastaveni cudliku vede k jake funkci. Srovnaval pribehy
> ruznych osciloskopu, premyslel o nich a postupem casu zacal byt s velo veci
> familiarni a zacal tusit, jak veci uvnitr funguji. Jay tak ziskal spoustu
> kamaradu.
>
> Vybaven znalosti o tom jak on sam funguje uvnitr, Jay pak byl schopen v
> pripade nutnosti s vynalozenim veskere namahy prepnout nektere cudliky na
> svem prednim panelu a tak svoji funkci zmenit. A kdyz potreboval pouzit
> nejakou funkci kterou sam nastavit nedokazal, vzpomnel si na jednoho ze
> svych kamaradu, kteri funkci na sobe nahodou meli od narozeni, a na toho se
> obratil.
>
> Ostatni osciloskopy si brzo zacaly vsimat, ze Jay ma nejake neobvykle
> schopnosti.  Ptaly se ho, jak to dela a on jim popsal, na co prisel. Brzo
> se vsechny osciloskopy zacaly schazet a poradat party a vecirky kde se o
> sobe navzajem bavili. Planeta 465B Tektronix zacla zit svym vlatnim
> plechovym spolecenskym zivotem.
>
> Karel




From twibright at hispeed.ch  Fri Dec  5 09:26:08 2008
From: twibright at hispeed.ch (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:26:08 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Neco se deje
Message-ID: <10901309.1228469168117.JavaMail.root@viefep11.chello.at>

---- Jakub Ladman <ladmanj at volny.cz> schrieb:
> To jako ze TEK se sam prepina z rezimu do rezimu a navic takto zhoubne ovlada 
> pres sit ostatni merici pristroje?
> 
> Co takhle servis?
> Snad tohle ve svycarsku funguje lip nez v Cechach, tady pry je s servisem TEKu 
> velky problem... neochota a cena servisu ktera dosahuje ceny noveho 
> pristroje.
TEK jsem si nekoupil, koupil jsem si rusky osciloskop C1-99 100 MHz ktery ma plno
spatnych kontaktu na prepinaci casove zakladny :)

> 
> Pokud jsem pohadku pochopil spatne, tak se omlouvam.
> 
> BTW: kdyz pises ze budes muset prerusit vyvoj, smim se zeptat na cem jsi 

Premejslim ze ho neprerusim ze mu jen snizim prioritu z nejvyssi :) Jinak pracoval
jsem na novem prijimaci co bude mit o 30% lepsi dosah nebude mit problemy s prilis silnym
signalem, bude mit logaritmicke RSSI a logaritmicke sledovani sily okolniho osvetleni.

Karel
> aktualne pracoval? Kvuli pracovnimu nasazeni deni okolo ronji nesleduju nijak 
> systematicky ale niceho noveho od twisteru2 jsem si nevsiml.
> 
> Jakub Ladman
> 
> Dne Thursday 27 of November 2008 10:54:10 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
> > Dostal jsem pocit, ze bych asi mel vyvoj na projektu Ronja do odvolani
> > zastavit. Tezko se takova nahla a radikalni zmena vysvetluje tak jsem se
> > rozhodl to vysvetlit formou pohadky:
> >
> > Mimozemstane leteli okolo planety 465B Tektronix a rozhodli se, ze
> > nehostinnou planetu osidli nejakym zivotem. Vysadili proto na planetu
> > samorozmnozujici se osciloskopy. Takovy osciloskop je slozity elektronicky
> > pristroj, s kterym se daji delat uzasne veci, a ma na prednim panelu
> > spoustu cudliku, kterymi se funkce nastavuji a prepinaji. Jeho dusevni
> > funkce jsou ale pomerne omezene, takze mu jde uvazovani pomalu a obtizne.
> >
> > Na planete se rodily nove osciloskopy a kazdy osciloskop pri narozeni mel
> > cudliky nahodne nastavene. Osciloskopy si vsimly, ze kazdy ma jine
> > nastaveni a ze kazdy je schopen delat jenom jednu funkci - tu ktera mu byla
> > sudickami pri zrozeni nastavena.
> >
> > Jednim z osciloskopu byl i Jay, kteremu zaclo byt lito, ze on muze delat
> > jen jednu funkci. Zatouzil zjisti, jak obvody uvnitr jeho sameho funguji, a
> > snil o tom, ze svoje cudliky bude moct prepinat a tak zpristupnit drive
> > nevidane obzory svych moznosti.
> >
> > Nejdriv ho napadlo, jestli mimozemstani nekde na planete nezanechali
> > manual. Hledal po cele planete ale zjistil, ze zadny manual neexistuje. Po
> > namahavem cestovani sedela doma sklesle v beznadeji, ze se jeho sen nikdy
> > nevyplni.
> >
> > Pak ho napadlo, jestli by nemohl cudliky na sobe prepinat a koukat se, jaky
> > to bude mit vliv na jeho funkci. Zjistil ale, ze cudliky jsou za roky jeho
> > zivota tak zarezle a zacpane hlinou, ze se daji prepinat jen velmi stezi.
> > Tudy cesta nevedla.
> >
> > Jay byl opet sklesly a bylo mu smutno, ze jeho sen se zhroutil. K cemu by
> > mu bylo znat funkci cudliku, kdyz je stejne skoro nejde prepinat?
> >
> > Pak ho neco napadlo. To mu sice k nicemu nebude, ale kdyz bude znat funkci
> > cudliku, bude moct predvidat, jak se budou chovat ostatni osciloskopy
> > protoze je videt, jak jsou cudliky na jejich prednim panelu nastavene. Kdyz
> > bude chtit pouzit nejakou funkci, staci kdyz vyhleda osciloskop ktery bude
> > mit to spravne nastaveni. Takze se k neprebernemu spektru funkci prece jen
> > dostane!
> >
> > Jay zajasal, a zacal premyslet, jestli by prece jen funkci cudliku nejak
> > zjistit.  Najednou dostal napad. Zacal chodit po planete a bavit se se
> > vsemi moznymi osciloskopy.  Kazdeho se ptal na jeho zivot a z toho pak
> > poznal, jake nastaveni cudliku vede k jake funkci. Srovnaval pribehy
> > ruznych osciloskopu, premyslel o nich a postupem casu zacal byt s velo veci
> > familiarni a zacal tusit, jak veci uvnitr funguji. Jay tak ziskal spoustu
> > kamaradu.
> >
> > Vybaven znalosti o tom jak on sam funguje uvnitr, Jay pak byl schopen v
> > pripade nutnosti s vynalozenim veskere namahy prepnout nektere cudliky na
> > svem prednim panelu a tak svoji funkci zmenit. A kdyz potreboval pouzit
> > nejakou funkci kterou sam nastavit nedokazal, vzpomnel si na jednoho ze
> > svych kamaradu, kteri funkci na sobe nahodou meli od narozeni, a na toho se
> > obratil.
> >
> > Ostatni osciloskopy si brzo zacaly vsimat, ze Jay ma nejake neobvykle
> > schopnosti.  Ptaly se ho, jak to dela a on jim popsal, na co prisel. Brzo
> > se vsechny osciloskopy zacaly schazet a poradat party a vecirky kde se o
> > sobe navzajem bavili. Planeta 465B Tektronix zacla zit svym vlatnim
> > plechovym spolecenskym zivotem.
> >
> > Karel
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja



From hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 04:09:39 2008
From: hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com (Saad Shakeel)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:09:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ronja] Just got TX and twister pcbs
In-Reply-To: <3787042.1227889512816.JavaMail.root@viefep11.chello.at>
Message-ID: <128317.55173.qm@web44912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hey all,

I just got Twister 1? and Metropolis TX pcbs made.

Now, i have a few confusions....

1. my PCBs are not PTH pcbs so i suppose i'll have to solder? components on both sides?? 

2. there are many points in the twister 1 pcb that do not have any solder masks over them, nor do they seem to be connected to any components... what are they??

Your help would be appreciated.


Regards,
Saad



      
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From kubajz at kbx.cz  Mon Dec  8 06:57:11 2008
From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Kubajz)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:57:11 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Just got TX and twister pcbs
In-Reply-To: <128317.55173.qm@web44912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <128317.55173.qm@web44912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <493CC547.4060007@kbx.cz>

It would be probably fine, if you could attach some photos of your PCBs 
here...

Saad Shakeel napsal(a):
> Hey all,
>
> I just got Twister 1  and Metropolis TX pcbs made.
>
> Now, i have a few confusions....
>
> 1. my PCBs are not PTH pcbs so i suppose i'll have to solder  
> components on both sides??
>
> 2. there are many points in the twister 1 pcb that do not have any 
> solder masks over them, nor do they seem to be connected to any 
> components... what are they??
>
> Your help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Regards,
> Saad
>
>



From twibright at hispeed.ch  Mon Dec  8 08:42:16 2008
From: twibright at hispeed.ch (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 9:42:16 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Just got TX and twister pcbs
Message-ID: <26632463.1228725736955.JavaMail.root@viefep11.chello.at>

---- Saad Shakeel <hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com> schrieb:
> Hey all,
> 
> I just got Twister 1  and Metropolis TX pcbs made.
> 
> Now, i have a few confusions....
> 
> 1. my PCBs are not PTH pcbs so i suppose i'll have to solder  components on both sides?? 

PTH is plated through? The boards are designed as plated through, if they are not then
they are not manufactured right :(

> 
> 2. there are many points in the twister 1 pcb that do not have any solder masks over them, nor do they seem to be connected to any components... what are they??

That sounds suspicious, can you post a picture?

Karel
> 
> Your help would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Saad
> 






From hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 17:08:44 2008
From: hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com (Saad Shakeel)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:08:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ronja] Just got TX and twister pcbs
In-Reply-To: <26632463.1228725736955.JavaMail.root@viefep11.chello.at>
Message-ID: <527003.29063.qm@web44909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Thank you Karel and Kubajz for your replies...
?
heres the link to the pictures
?
http://projectpcb.20m.com/index.html

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Karel Kulhavy <twibright at hispeed.ch> wrote:

From: Karel Kulhavy <twibright at hispeed.ch>
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Just got TX and twister pcbs
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>, hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:42 AM

---- Saad Shakeel <hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com> schrieb:
> Hey all,
> 
> I just got Twister 1  and Metropolis TX pcbs made.
> 
> Now, i have a few confusions....
> 
> 1. my PCBs are not PTH pcbs so i suppose i'll have to solder 
components on both sides?? 

PTH is plated through? The boards are designed as plated through, if they are
not then
they are not manufactured right :(

> 
> 2. there are many points in the twister 1 pcb that do not have any solder
masks over them, nor do they seem to be connected to any components... what are
they??

That sounds suspicious, can you post a picture?

Karel
> 
> Your help would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Saad
> 







      
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From hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 17:10:45 2008
From: hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com (Saad Shakeel)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:10:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ronja] Just got TX and twister pcbs
Message-ID: <46970.54578.qm@web44903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>











Thank you Karel and Kubajz for your replies...
?
heres the link to the pictures
?
http://projectpcb.20m.com/index.html

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Karel Kulhavy <twibright at hispeed.ch> wrote:

From: Karel Kulhavy <twibright at hispeed.ch>
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Just got TX and twister pcbs
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>, hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:42 AM

---- Saad Shakeel <hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com> schrieb:
> Hey all,
> 
> I just got Twister 1  and Metropolis TX pcbs made.
> 
> Now, i have a few confusions....
> 
> 1. my PCBs are not PTH pcbs so i suppose i'll have to solder 
components on both sides?? 

PTH is plated through? The boards are designed as plated through, if they are
not then
they are not manufactured right :(

> 
> 2. there are many points in the twister 1 pcb that do not have any solder
masks over them, nor do they seem to be connected to any components... what are
they??

That sounds suspicious, can you post a picture?

Karel
> 
> Your help would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Saad
> 








      
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From twibright at hispeed.ch  Tue Dec  9 09:04:50 2008
From: twibright at hispeed.ch (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:04:50 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Just got TX and twister pcbs
Message-ID: <8738480.1228813491088.JavaMail.root@viefep11.chello.at>

---- Saad Shakeel <hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com> schrieb:
>  
> yes karel, they are not plated through. The guy who made it said that we'll have to manually link the upper side to the lower one using small pieces of copper soldered through the holes.... my question...will that technique work?

Yes it will work but it's tedious and prone to error. Make sure you
use enough flux (rosin) and after the work dissolve all the flux with alcohol or isopropyl alcohol and inspect with eye. Resolder all
joints that don't look nice.

Karel
>  
> i'll try to arrange the pics in the meantime...
>  
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Saad
>  
>  
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Karel Kulhavy <twibright at hispeed.ch> wrote:
> 
> From: Karel Kulhavy <twibright at hispeed.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Just got TX and twister pcbs
> To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>, hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:42 AM
> 
> ---- Saad Shakeel <hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com> schrieb:
> > Hey all,
> > 
> > I just got Twister 1  and Metropolis TX pcbs made.
> > 
> > Now, i have a few confusions....
> > 
> > 1. my PCBs are not PTH pcbs so i suppose i'll have to solder 
> components on both sides?? 
> 
> PTH is plated through? The boards are designed as plated through, if they are
> not then
> they are not manufactured right :(
> 
> > 
> > 2. there are many points in the twister 1 pcb that do not have any solder
> masks over them, nor do they seem to be connected to any components... what are
> they??
> 
> That sounds suspicious, can you post a picture?
> 
> Karel
> > 
> > Your help would be appreciated.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Saad
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 






From twibright at hispeed.ch  Tue Dec  9 09:08:29 2008
From: twibright at hispeed.ch (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:08:29 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Just got TX and twister pcbs
Message-ID: <18462226.1228813709600.JavaMail.root@viefep11.chello.at>

---- Saad Shakeel <hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com> schrieb:
> Thank you Karel and Kubajz for your replies...
>  
> heres the link to the pictures
>  
> http://projectpcb.20m.com/index.html

There is nothing suspicious on the pictures. I would take a multimeter and check if the through-plating is really missing.

In case of vias, which are through-plates just to get the wire on the
other side without any component being attached it's going to be difficult because the trace is covered with the solder mask. You would have to scrape the solder mask off with an exacto knife before soldering a wire through.

Karel
> 
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Karel Kulhavy <twibright at hispeed.ch> wrote:
> 
> From: Karel Kulhavy <twibright at hispeed.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Just got TX and twister pcbs
> To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>, hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:42 AM
> 
> ---- Saad Shakeel <hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com> schrieb:
> > Hey all,
> > 
> > I just got Twister 1  and Metropolis TX pcbs made.
> > 
> > Now, i have a few confusions....
> > 
> > 1. my PCBs are not PTH pcbs so i suppose i'll have to solder 
> components on both sides?? 
> 
> PTH is plated through? The boards are designed as plated through, if they are
> not then
> they are not manufactured right :(
> 
> > 
> > 2. there are many points in the twister 1 pcb that do not have any solder
> masks over them, nor do they seem to be connected to any components... what are
> they??
> 
> That sounds suspicious, can you post a picture?
> 
> Karel
> > 
> > Your help would be appreciated.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Saad
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 






From twibright at hispeed.ch  Mon Dec 15 16:05:30 2008
From: twibright at hispeed.ch (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:05:30 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] ronjaping doesn't work
Message-ID: <6433279.1229357132400.JavaMail.root@viefep12>

Hello

Has anyone had this problem?

I just tried to run Ronjaping on Linux From Scratch and it said something in the sense that the ip protocol is 4 and should be 0.

The reason: the ping performs an apparently unnecessary
asanity check of the system. On of the checks is getprotobyname("ip") which returns 4 according to /etc/protocols:
ip             4 IP           # IP in IP (encapsulation)         [RFC2003]

However the IPPROTO_IP is 0 according to /usr/include/netinet/in.h:
    IPPROTO_IP = 0,        /* Dummy protocol for TCP.  */

Obviously, in one case some kind of IP over IP encapsulation is meant and in the other plain IP protocol and that's why it doesn't
work.

I just took this test out and then it runs. I plan to commit it into
Ronja and update it online.

Cheers,

Karel


From santiago at crfreenet.org  Mon Dec 15 17:47:10 2008
From: santiago at crfreenet.org (Ondrej Zajicek)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:47:10 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] ronjaping doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <6433279.1229357132400.JavaMail.root@viefep12>
References: <6433279.1229357132400.JavaMail.root@viefep12>
Message-ID: <20081215174709.GB2425@localhost>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 05:05:30PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Has anyone had this problem?
> 
> I just tried to run Ronjaping on Linux From Scratch and it said something in the sense that the ip protocol is 4 and should be 0.
> 
> The reason: the ping performs an apparently unnecessary
> asanity check of the system. On of the checks is getprotobyname("ip") which returns 4 according to /etc/protocols:
> ip             4 IP           # IP in IP (encapsulation)         [RFC2003]

Perhaps you have bad /etc/protocols . I have this:

ip      0       IP              # internet protocol, pseudo protocol number
#hopopt 0       HOPOPT          # IPv6 Hop-by-Hop Option [RFC1883]
icmp    1       ICMP            # internet control message protocol
igmp    2       IGMP            # Internet Group Management
ggp     3       GGP             # gateway-gateway protocol
ipencap 4       IP-ENCAP        # IP encapsulated in IP (officially ``IP'')
st      5       ST              # ST datagram mode
tcp     6       TCP             # transmission control protocol

-- 
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo

Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at crfreenet.org)
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"To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."
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From twibright at hispeed.ch  Thu Dec 18 20:54:07 2008
From: twibright at hispeed.ch (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:54:07 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Another source of tin plated steel
Message-ID: <31271519.1229633648000.JavaMail.root@viefep15>

Hey all,

I just bought a PREMIUM QUALITY inkospor X-TREME WHEY PROTEIN and noticed under the paper
the whole 750g can is made of tin plated steel. So this product is not only a source of protein, vitamins etc. but also of tin plated steel for Ronja! LOL!

Karel


From twibright at hispeed.ch  Thu Dec 25 20:08:07 2008
From: twibright at hispeed.ch (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:08:07 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Spanish translation of Ronja Wikipedia article
Message-ID: <336615.1230235687981.JavaMail.root@viefep13>

Hello

I tried to learn Spanish from a book. But it doesn't work for me. I tried to learn by
improving the Spanish Wikipedia article about Ronja. That seems to work good.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/RONJA

I have no idea about Spanish grammar and cannot write a Spanish sentence by heart. However I hope I didn't make too many errors ;-)

Next time when I want to learn Spanish I could translate the Ronja pages themselves.
What is the living standard in Central America? I have an impression that Ronja is used
mostly in countries with lower living standard where work is cheap and things expensive.

Karel