From schum at seznam.cz Mon Sep 3 19:41:40 2007 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:41:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ronja] LM2671M-5.0 Message-ID: <1794.3050-2343-57059250-1188844900@seznam.cz> Ahoj v?ichni tak jeste jednou pro ty stavitele twistr?2 co byli na pr?zdnin?ch mam tady navic cca 25ks LM2671M-5.0, cena 90 K?/kus Mirek From dpolak at gmx.ch Sun Sep 9 18:29:53 2007 From: dpolak at gmx.ch (Daniel Polak) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:29:53 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Bertest RX Problems Message-ID: <20070909172953.284750@gmx.net> I allways get the message from bertest that there are no packets received. Could these be related to a not fully compatible NIC? -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 17 14:28:51 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:28:51 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] ML In-Reply-To: <200709092051.43757.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200709092051.43757.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20070917132851.GA32369@kestrel.barix.local> On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 08:51:43PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Nem??u ps?t na Ronja ML, nevim co se s t?m zase d?je. > > Tuhle bl?smrt mi to poslalo zp?tky: > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > ronja-owner at lists.pointless.net. List nedovoluje poslat z jine adresy nez kterou sis zaregistroval. Bud posli z te co jsi zaregistroval nebo si zaregistruj i tu druhou. CL< > > Jakub > From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Sep 17 18:33:54 2007 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:33:54 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] ML In-Reply-To: <20070917132851.GA32369@kestrel.barix.local> References: <200709092051.43757.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20070917132851.GA32369@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <200709171933.54895.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne Monday 17 September 2007 15:28:51 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 08:51:43PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Nem??u ps?t na Ronja ML, nevim co se s t?m zase d?je. > > > > Tuhle bl?smrt mi to poslalo zp?tky: > > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > > ronja-owner at lists.pointless.net. > > List nedovoluje poslat z jine adresy nez kterou sis zaregistroval. Bud > posli z te co jsi zaregistroval nebo si zaregistruj i tu druhou. > > CL< > > > Jakub Promi?, j? si a? posl?ze v?iml, ?e ten dementn? smtp server p?episuje v hlavi?ce from na toho kdo se k n?mu p?ihla?uje. Nem??u prost? naj?t smtp server, kterej by bylo mo?no pou??t k odes?l?n? soukrom? po?ty z pr?ce. ?au Jakub Ladman From dpolak at gmx.ch Tue Sep 18 11:09:19 2007 From: dpolak at gmx.ch (Daniel Polak) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:09:19 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Incorrect instructions for Transmitter LED Message-ID: <20070918100919.233680@gmx.net> I think the instructions on the Twibright site for soldering the TX LED are not correct. The text sais that the the anode needs to be soldered to the square pad. Shouldn't it be turned around, cathode to square pad? -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 18 12:56:51 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:56:51 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Incorrect instructions for Transmitter LED In-Reply-To: <20070918100919.233680@gmx.net> References: <20070918100919.233680@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20070918115651.GA17868@kestrel.barix.local> On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 12:09:19PM +0200, Daniel Polak wrote: > I think the instructions on the Twibright site for soldering the TX LED are > not correct. The text sais that the the anode needs to be soldered to the > square pad. Shouldn't it be turned around, cathode to square pad? I see this paragraph of instructions is a complete crap - it's not just turned around, it's a complete bullshit. Thanks for reporting. CL< > -- > GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. > Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Sep 19 22:54:10 2007 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:54:10 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube Message-ID: <200709192354.19899@centrum.cz> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070919/ea49301b/attachment.html From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 20 20:48:26 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:48:26 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Bertest RX Problems In-Reply-To: <20070909172953.284750@gmx.net> References: <20070909172953.284750@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20070920194826.GD24859@kestrel.barix.local> On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 07:29:53PM +0200, Daniel Polak wrote: > I allways get the message from bertest that there are no packets received. > Could these be related to a not fully compatible NIC? Even when you put some kind of loopback to the NIC? Maybe just the Device Under Test doesn't work at all. CL< > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Sep 20 20:55:36 2007 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:55:36 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube References: <200709192354.19899@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From eldis111 at seznam.cz Thu Sep 20 21:13:19 2007 From: eldis111 at seznam.cz (eldis) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:13:19 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <200709192354.19899@centrum.cz> <005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <46F2D45F.8020805@seznam.cz> Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? eldis > Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "-=RYS=-" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > >> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> -- >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Sep 21 00:44:38 2007 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:44:38 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <46F2D45F.8020805@seznam.cz> References: 200709192354.19899@centrum.cz> <005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <46F2D45F.8020805@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <200709210144.2671@centrum.cz> Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png?. Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto konfere) a musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam Atmel na ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. M. ______________________________________________________________ > Od: eldis111 na seznam.cz > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) >Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. >Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? > >eldis > >> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) >> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >> >> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) >> >> >> Cipis >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "-=RYS=-" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM >> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube >> >> >> ? >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs >>> >>> >>> >>> ? ? >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> ? >>> -- >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> ? ? >> >> >> ? > > >-- >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >Ronja na lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070921/cab66d74/attachment.html From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Sep 21 00:39:47 2007 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:39:47 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: 200709192354.19899@centrum.cz> <005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <200709210139.2162@centrum.cz> Na anglinu se musim jeste podivat :)? ... dulezitej je vsak vysledek! Jinak switch pro 100Mbps? see? http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/wifi/OvisLink_Live-FSH5R/011_atmel.jpg Martin ______________________________________________________________ > Od: petr.cipis na tiscali.cz > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: 20.09.2007 21:57 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) >Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > > >Cipis > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "-=RYS=-" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM >Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > >> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs >> >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> -- >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > >-- >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >Ronja na lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070921/51482ee7/attachment.html From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 21 09:16:48 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:16:48 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <200709210144.2671@centrum.cz> References: <005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <46F2D45F.8020805@seznam.cz> <200709210144.2671@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20070921081648.GA17089@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:44:38AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png?. > Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto konfere) a musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. > Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam Atmel na > ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. Nedelej si s tim hlavu ze to neni free, ja sem presvedcen ze to stejne fungovat spravne nemuze. Kdyz jsem navrhoval Twistera, zkousel jsem to taky napred takhle analogove casovat jako to bylo v AUI Forte a jako to mas ty jenze to uz se neslo vejit s tolerancema soucastek do ty normy. To casovani u TP a u AUI ma nejaky odlisnosti ktery tam prave vadily. Tak jsem to casovani musel udelat digitalne coz byl major opruz (18 pouzder), ale jinak to bohuzel neslo. Takze si myslim ze ti to bude chodit tak ze vetsine lidi jo a lidem co budou mit smulu na nevhodnou konstelaci soucastek to bude blbnout nebo nechodit. Pripadne funkcnost bude zavisla na teplote nebo napajecim napeti. Tolerance jsou svine stary AUI melo takovou bugu ze to obcas nekomu nechodilo, musel jsem to vytrhat a predelat na AUI Forte. Je hezky kdyz nekomu chodi na stole jeden nebo nekolik exemplaru, ale je potreba jeste zarucit, aby to chodilo v ramci technickych moznosti spolehlive kazdymu kdo to postavi. Ja chci, aby Ronja byla spolehliva. CL< > M. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: eldis111 at seznam.cz > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > >Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) > >Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. > >Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? > > > >eldis > > > >> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > >> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >> > >> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > >> > >> > >> Cipis > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "-=RYS=-" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > >> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >> > >> > >> ? > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ? ? > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> ? > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> ? ? > >> > >> > >> ? > > > > > >-- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 21 09:24:23 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:24:23 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <200709192354.19899@centrum.cz> <005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20070921082423.GA2952@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 09:55:36PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) Ja myslim ze neni na miste se posmivat lidem, co se snazi o anglickou prezentaci i kdyz jim anglictina nejde. Pro anglicky mluvci lepsi nez kdyby to bylo cely v cestine. Kdyz se takovejm lidem budete posmivat, pak treba nebudou chtit psat/mluvit anglicky vubec protoze se budou bat posmechu. Fakt je ze anglictina je 1. nejpouzivanejsi jazyk na svete (pokud se pocita i s nerodilejma mluvcima) a tak se snaha prezentovat v anglictine da vykladat jako snaha aby tomu rozumnelo co nejvic lidi na svete. Lepsi nez se posmivat by bylo spis k tomu sepsat titulky anglicky. Ale bohuzel tohle video si stejne myslim ze Ronje nepomuze, jak pisu v jinym e-mailu, neverim ze ten obvod muze fungovat kazdymu spolehlive. CL< > Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "-=RYS=-" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > > Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From eric.e.carson at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 12:10:40 2007 From: eric.e.carson at gmail.com (Eric Carson) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:10:40 -0400 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube (Anime-Addict) Message-ID: That is all in a language that I do not understand. Any summarys? Although the super-twister seems pretty clear what it does. Which is excellent. On 9/21/07, ronja-request at lists.pointless.net wrote: > Send Ronja mailing list submissions to > ronja at lists.pointless.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ronja-request at lists.pointless.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ronja-owner at lists.pointless.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Bertest RX Problems (Karel Kulhavy) > 2. Re: Test Youtube (Cipis) > 3. Re: Test Youtube (eldis) > 4. Re: Test Youtube (-=RYS=-) > 5. Re: Test Youtube (-=RYS=-) > 6. Re: Test Youtube (Karel Kulhavy) > 7. Re: Test Youtube (Karel Kulhavy) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Karel Kulhavy > To: Twibright Ronja > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:48:26 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Bertest RX Problems > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 07:29:53PM +0200, Daniel Polak wrote: > > I allways get the message from bertest that there are no packets received. > > Could these be related to a not fully compatible NIC? > > Even when you put some kind of loopback to the NIC? Maybe just the Device > Under Test doesn't work at all. > > CL< > > -- > > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > > Browser-Versionen downloaden: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > > > > -- > > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Cipis" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:55:36 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "-=RYS=-" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > > Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: eldis > To: Twibright Ronja > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:13:19 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) > Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. > Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? > > eldis > > > Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > > Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > > > Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "-=RYS=-" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > > > > > >> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >> -- > >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "-=RYS=-" > To: > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:44:38 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z > http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png > . > > Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto konfere) a > musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. > > Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam Atmel > na ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. > > M. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: eldis111 at seznam.cz > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > >Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) > >Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. > >Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? > > > >eldis > > > >> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > >> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >> > >> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > >> > >> > >> Cipis > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "-=RYS=-" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > >> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >> > >> > >> > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "-=RYS=-" > To: > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:39:47 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > Na anglinu se musim jeste podivat :) ... dulezitej je vsak vysledek! > > Jinak switch pro 100Mbps see > http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/wifi/OvisLink_Live-FSH5R/011_atmel.jpg > > > > Martin > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz > > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > > Datum: 20.09.2007 21:57 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > >Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > >Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > > >Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > > > > > >Cipis > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "-=RYS=-" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > >Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > > > >> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> -- > >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > >-- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Karel Kulhavy > To: Twibright Ronja > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:16:48 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:44:38AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z > http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png. > > Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto konfere) a > musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. > > Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam Atmel > na > > ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. > > Nedelej si s tim hlavu ze to neni free, ja sem presvedcen ze to stejne > fungovat > spravne nemuze. Kdyz jsem navrhoval Twistera, zkousel jsem to taky napred > takhle analogove casovat jako to bylo v AUI Forte a jako to mas ty jenze to > uz > se neslo vejit s tolerancema soucastek do ty normy. To casovani u TP a u AUI > ma > nejaky odlisnosti ktery tam prave vadily. Tak jsem to casovani musel udelat > digitalne coz byl major opruz (18 pouzder), ale jinak to bohuzel neslo. > > Takze si myslim ze ti to bude chodit tak ze vetsine lidi jo a lidem co budou > mit smulu na nevhodnou konstelaci soucastek to bude blbnout nebo nechodit. > Pripadne funkcnost bude zavisla na teplote nebo napajecim napeti. > > Tolerance jsou svine stary AUI melo takovou bugu ze to obcas nekomu > nechodilo, > musel jsem to vytrhat a predelat na AUI Forte. > > Je hezky kdyz nekomu chodi na stole jeden nebo nekolik exemplaru, ale je > potreba jeste zarucit, aby to chodilo v ramci technickych moznosti > spolehlive > kazdymu kdo to postavi. Ja chci, aby Ronja byla spolehliva. > > CL< > > M. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: eldis111 at seznam.cz > > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > > Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 > > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > > > >Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) > > >Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. > > >Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? > > > > > >eldis > > > > > >> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > >> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > > >> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > >> > > >> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > > >> > > >> > > >> Cipis > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "-=RYS=-" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > > >> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. > > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> -- > > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > >Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Karel Kulhavy > To: Twibright Ronja > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:24:23 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 09:55:36PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > > Ja myslim ze neni na miste se posmivat lidem, co se snazi o anglickou > prezentaci i kdyz jim anglictina nejde. Pro anglicky mluvci lepsi nez kdyby > to > bylo cely v cestine. Kdyz se takovejm lidem budete posmivat, pak treba > nebudou > chtit psat/mluvit anglicky vubec protoze se budou bat posmechu. > > Fakt je ze anglictina je 1. nejpouzivanejsi jazyk na svete (pokud se pocita > i s > nerodilejma mluvcima) a tak se snaha prezentovat v anglictine da vykladat > jako > snaha aby tomu rozumnelo co nejvic lidi na svete. > > Lepsi nez se posmivat by bylo spis k tomu sepsat titulky anglicky. Ale > bohuzel > tohle video si stejne myslim ze Ronje nepomuze, jak pisu v jinym e-mailu, > neverim ze ten obvod muze fungovat kazdymu spolehlive. > > CL< > > > Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > > > Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "-=RYS=-" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > > > > > Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > -- > > > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > -- > > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From eldis111 at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 13:39:46 2007 From: eldis111 at seznam.cz (eldis111) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:39:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube (Anime-Addict) Message-ID: <2804.5800-1707-36223226-1190378386@seznam.cz> Summary is that clock do not believe it will work in every conditions, due to tolerances in parts. It is quite difficult, to get timing right - that's why twister look this way. But in my opinion, it is not a bad idea. > That is all in a language that I do not understand. Any summarys? > Although the super-twister seems pretty clear what it does. Which is > excellent. From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Sep 21 14:20:23 2007 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:20:23 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <20070921081648.GA17089@kestrel.barix.local> References: 005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <200709210144.2671@centrum.cz> <20070921081648.GA17089@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <200709211520.19259@centrum.cz> Ahoj Karle. Pravdou je, ze jsem postavil jen tenhle jeden kus linky (2ks). Kolega na Slovensku postavil tusim 10ks a kolega v Chorvatsku asi 40ks. Co vim, tak to stavil jeste jeden Slovinec. Muzu rici jedno, vsem to chodilo na prvni zapojeni. Je fakt a to musim uznat, ze teplota je svine a je mozne, ze to ujedet. Ale na druhou stranu jeden spoj beha ve Splitu uz 2 roky a v lete vypadek nemeli a to museli switche pres leto asi 2x vypnout a zapnout a presto to to znova nabehlo do 10/FD. Jinak jedna z verzi byla pouzit vykonejsi Atmel....jestli se dobre pamatuji (nevzpomenu si?ted z hlavyt na presny oznaceni)?tak AT890SL52T2, ktery ma v sobe AD prevodniky, chteli jsme to pro digitalizaci RSSI a nasledny prevod do IP vrstvy....neco jako ma Papouch/HWserver. Ale vzhledem k cene/slozitosti, ale bohuzel...hlavne kvuli nestabilite o ktere hovoris jsme se na to vyprdli. Spise by bylo dobre pouzit druhy obvod pro vyhodnoceni RSSI, aby se hlavni obvod nezdrzoval dalsimi procesy. -=RYS=- ______________________________________________________________ > Od: clock na twibright.com > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: 21.09.2007 10:17 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:44:38AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: >> Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png?. >> Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto konfere) a musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. >> Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam Atmel na >> ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. > >Nedelej si s tim hlavu ze to neni free, ja sem presvedcen ze to stejne fungovat >spravne nemuze. ?Kdyz jsem navrhoval Twistera, zkousel jsem to taky napred >takhle analogove casovat jako to bylo v AUI Forte a jako to mas ty jenze to uz >se neslo vejit s tolerancema soucastek do ty normy. To casovani u TP a u AUI ma >nejaky odlisnosti ktery tam prave vadily. ?Tak jsem to casovani musel udelat >digitalne coz byl major opruz (18 pouzder), ale jinak to bohuzel neslo. > >Takze si myslim ze ti to bude chodit tak ze vetsine lidi jo a lidem co budou >mit smulu na nevhodnou konstelaci soucastek to bude blbnout nebo nechodit. >Pripadne funkcnost bude zavisla na teplote nebo napajecim napeti. > >Tolerance jsou svine stary AUI melo takovou bugu ze to obcas nekomu nechodilo, >musel jsem to vytrhat a predelat na AUI Forte. > >Je hezky kdyz nekomu chodi na stole jeden nebo nekolik exemplaru, ale je >potreba jeste zarucit, aby to chodilo v ramci technickych moznosti spolehlive >kazdymu kdo to postavi. Ja chci, aby Ronja byla spolehliva. > >CL< >> M. >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Od: eldis111 na seznam.cz >> > Komu: Twibright Ronja >> > Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 >> > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube >> > >> >Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) >> >Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. >> >Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? >> > >> >eldis >> > >> >> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >> >> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) >> >> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >> >> >> >> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> Cipis >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "-=RYS=-" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM >> >> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube >> >> >> >> >> >> ? > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ? ? > >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> ? > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> >>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>> >> >>> ? ? > >> >> >> >> >> ? > > >> > >> >-- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> >Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > >> -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >-- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >Ronja na lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070921/1ebd1a0e/attachment-0001.html From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Sep 21 14:28:49 2007 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:28:49 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <20070921082423.GA2952@kestrel.barix.local> References: 200709192354.19899@centrum.cz> <005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20070921082423.GA2952@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <200709211528.21378@centrum.cz> Opravdu se omlouvam za svou anglinu. Asi pred 5 lety jsem se pustil do angliny vazneji....hlavne jsem ji pouzival jako radioamater na KV pasmu. Jenze : 1) vetsina spojeni byla odkud jsem/jmeno/sila signalu? a to bylo tak vse, nekdy jsem se i "rozpovidal"...kdyz mel ten naproti chut 2) na KV jsem prestal aktivne vysilat pred temer 2 roky a je fakt, ze kdyz se jazyk, kterej nejak umime nepouziva, tak klesa znalost toho jazyka. A tak jsem taky dopadl ja, naposledy jsem anglinu aktivne pouzival na Sinaji (http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/photo/egypt_2005/) a svete div se, kdyz jsem byl "hozen" do ciziho prostredi, tak jsem si hodne rychle rozpominal na slovicka a jejich pouziti :))) Asi za tyden mi to uz slo v pohode....vsude jsem se domluvil a udelal i "par obchodu". Dnes mam situaci jeste slozitejsi o to, ze jsem po operaci hlavy (ano..primo mozku, nekteri vedi o co jde) a tak trochu mi "blbne" pamet. Ale dostavam se z toho a tu anglinu dam dohromady. Co je vsak myslim dulezitejsi je to video. Jednou jsem juknul na YouTube a docela me zaujalo a tak jsem ho testl (vida, musim znat anglinu, protoze YouTube je v EN). Udelal jsem tam 3 videa a docela to chodi. Zkusim jeste neco natocit ...treba nasi strechu kde je jedno z pojitek (viz fotogalerie registrovanych spoju). -=RYS=- ______________________________________________________________ > Od: clock na twibright.com > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: 21.09.2007 10:24 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 09:55:36PM +0200, Cipis wrote: >> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > >Ja myslim ze neni na miste se posmivat lidem, co se snazi o anglickou >prezentaci i kdyz jim anglictina nejde. Pro anglicky mluvci lepsi nez kdyby to >bylo cely v cestine. Kdyz se takovejm lidem budete posmivat, pak treba nebudou >chtit psat/mluvit anglicky vubec protoze se budou bat posmechu. > >Fakt je ze anglictina je 1. nejpouzivanejsi jazyk na svete (pokud se pocita i s >nerodilejma mluvcima) a tak se snaha prezentovat v anglictine da vykladat jako >snaha aby tomu rozumnelo co nejvic lidi na svete. > >Lepsi nez se posmivat by bylo spis k tomu sepsat titulky anglicky. Ale bohuzel >tohle video si stejne myslim ze Ronje nepomuze, jak pisu v jinym e-mailu, >neverim ze ten obvod muze fungovat kazdymu spolehlive. > >CL< > >> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >> > Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) >> > > Cipis >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "-=RYS=-" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM >> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube >> > > > Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs >> > >> > >> > >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > -- > > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> > Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >-- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >Ronja na lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070921/e52cd380/attachment.html From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 21 17:12:43 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:12:43 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <200709211520.19259@centrum.cz> References: <200709210144.2671@centrum.cz> <20070921081648.GA17089@kestrel.barix.local> <200709211520.19259@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20070921161242.GA1835@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:20:23PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Ahoj Karle. Pravdou je, ze jsem postavil jen tenhle jeden kus linky (2ks). > Kolega na Slovensku postavil tusim 10ks a kolega v Chorvatsku asi 40ks. Co > vim, tak to stavil jeste jeden Slovinec. Muzu rici jedno, vsem to chodilo na > prvni zapojeni. Je fakt a to musim uznat, ze teplota je svine a je mozne, ze > to ujedet. Ale na druhou stranu jeden spoj beha ve Splitu uz 2 roky a v lete > vypadek nemeli a to museli switche pres leto asi 2x vypnout a zapnout a > presto to to znova nabehlo do 10/FD. Jinak jedna z verzi byla pouzit > vykonejsi Atmel....jestli se dobre pamatuji (nevzpomenu si?ted z hlavyt na > presny oznaceni)?tak AT890SL52T2, ktery ma v sobe AD prevodniky, chteli jsme > to pro digitalizaci RSSI a nasledny prevod do IP vrstvy....neco jako ma > Papouch/HWserver. Ale vzhledem k cene/slozitosti, ale bohuzel...hlavne kvuli > nestabilite o ktere hovoris jsme se na to vyprdli. Spise by bylo dobre > pouzit druhy obvod pro vyhodnoceni RSSI, aby se hlavni obvod nezdrzoval > dalsimi procesy. Bohuzel i kdyby se to zkusilo na 1000 instalacich, tak se muze stat, ze to na 1001. selze. Neco podobnyho se stalo s tim AUI. To je potreba delat uvahou / vypoctem, ne zkousenim kolik kusu chodi. CL< > -=RYS=- > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: clock at twibright.com > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: 21.09.2007 10:17 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > >On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:44:38AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > >> Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png?. > >> Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto konfere) a musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. > >> Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam Atmel na > >> ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. > > > >Nedelej si s tim hlavu ze to neni free, ja sem presvedcen ze to stejne fungovat > >spravne nemuze. ?Kdyz jsem navrhoval Twistera, zkousel jsem to taky napred > >takhle analogove casovat jako to bylo v AUI Forte a jako to mas ty jenze to uz > >se neslo vejit s tolerancema soucastek do ty normy. To casovani u TP a u AUI ma > >nejaky odlisnosti ktery tam prave vadily. ?Tak jsem to casovani musel udelat > >digitalne coz byl major opruz (18 pouzder), ale jinak to bohuzel neslo. > > > >Takze si myslim ze ti to bude chodit tak ze vetsine lidi jo a lidem co budou > >mit smulu na nevhodnou konstelaci soucastek to bude blbnout nebo nechodit. > >Pripadne funkcnost bude zavisla na teplote nebo napajecim napeti. > > > >Tolerance jsou svine stary AUI melo takovou bugu ze to obcas nekomu nechodilo, > >musel jsem to vytrhat a predelat na AUI Forte. > > > >Je hezky kdyz nekomu chodi na stole jeden nebo nekolik exemplaru, ale je > >potreba jeste zarucit, aby to chodilo v ramci technickych moznosti spolehlive > >kazdymu kdo to postavi. Ja chci, aby Ronja byla spolehliva. > > > >CL< > >> M. > >> > ______________________________________________________________ > >> > Od: eldis111 at seznam.cz > >> > Komu: Twibright Ronja > >> > Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 > >> > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >> > > >> >Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) > >> >Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. > >> >Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? > >> > > >> >eldis > >> > > >> >> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >> >> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > >> >> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >> >> > >> >> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Cipis > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "-=RYS=-" > >> >> To: > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > >> >> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ? > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. > >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> ? ? > >> > >> >> > >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ? > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >> >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> >>> > >> >>> ? ? > >> > >> >> > >> >> ? > > > >> > > >> >-- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> >Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > >> -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >-- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 21 17:15:49 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:15:49 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <200709211528.21378@centrum.cz> References: <005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20070921082423.GA2952@kestrel.barix.local> <200709211528.21378@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20070921161549.GB1835@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:28:49PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Opravdu se omlouvam za svou anglinu. > Asi pred 5 lety jsem se pustil do angliny vazneji....hlavne jsem ji pouzival jako radioamater na KV pasmu. > Jenze : > 1) vetsina spojeni byla odkud jsem/jmeno/sila signalu? a to bylo tak vse, nekdy jsem se i "rozpovidal"...kdyz mel ten naproti chut > 2) na KV jsem prestal aktivne vysilat pred temer 2 roky a je fakt, ze kdyz se jazyk, kterej nejak umime nepouziva, tak klesa znalost toho jazyka. > A tak jsem taky dopadl ja, naposledy jsem anglinu aktivne pouzival na Sinaji (http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/photo/egypt_2005/) a svete div se, kdyz jsem byl "hozen" > do ciziho prostredi, tak jsem si hodne rychle rozpominal na slovicka a jejich pouziti :))) > Asi za tyden mi to uz slo v pohode....vsude jsem se domluvil a udelal i "par obchodu". > Dnes mam situaci jeste slozitejsi o to, ze jsem po operaci hlavy (ano..primo mozku, nekteri vedi o co jde) a tak trochu mi "blbne" pamet. > Ale dostavam se z toho a tu anglinu dam dohromady. > Co je vsak myslim dulezitejsi je to video. > Jednou jsem juknul na YouTube a docela me zaujalo a tak jsem ho testl (vida, musim znat anglinu, protoze YouTube je v EN). > Udelal jsem tam 3 videa a docela to chodi. Zkusim jeste neco natocit ...treba nasi strechu kde je jedno z pojitek (viz fotogalerie registrovanych spoju). Ja delam video kde jsou vsechny 3D modely dohromady: http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/all.avi Jeste tam chybej koncovy titulky (kvuli pouzite hudbe a tak). Treba by se mohl casem postupne dat dohromady nejaky film o Ronje. Idealne neco ve stylu Stacy Peralta: Dogtown and Z-Boys, to je fakt kvalitni styl :) CL< From eldis111 at seznam.cz Fri Sep 21 17:32:16 2007 From: eldis111 at seznam.cz (eldis111) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:32:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube Message-ID: <2833.5820-15223-762434825-1190392336@seznam.cz> Zdar clocku, nevim jestli to prijde jenom me, ale mam pocit, ze ty proste odmitas jakoukoli vec, ktera nepochazi z tve hlavy. Jasne, mas hezky projekt, jasne, mas na co byt pysny, ale vem taky ze nejsi sam, kdo se snazi projektu neco noveho prinest. Me osobne netrapi, ze udelam 1000 kusu twisteru a 1001 nebude chodit, to snad netrapi ani obrovske firmy ktere tento obrat bezproblemu maji. Zajimalo by me, jaka je procentualni sance, ze nejaky 74 obvod vyjede z linky nefunkcni, urcite nebude 100% v tolerancich, tak se holt spatny kus vyradi, to neni konec sveta ne? Poruchovost 1/10 je problem, 1/100 obcas zamrzi, ale 1/1000? vec, se kterou vetsina amaterskych elektrotechniku snad dokaze zit. Muj nazor, nikomu nevnucuji. Pouze se zastavam dalsich vyvojaru. btw, jak se pocita poruchovost designu? Jako nejhorsi mozny stav z toleranci v datasheetu? eldis > On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:20:23PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: >> Ahoj Karle. Pravdou je, ze jsem postavil jen tenhle jeden kus linky (2ks). >> Kolega na Slovensku postavil tusim 10ks a kolega v Chorvatsku asi 40ks. Co >> vim, tak to stavil jeste jeden Slovinec. Muzu rici jedno, vsem to chodilo na >> prvni zapojeni. Je fakt a to musim uznat, ze teplota je svine a je mozne, ze >> to ujedet. Ale na druhou stranu jeden spoj beha ve Splitu uz 2 roky a v lete >> vypadek nemeli a to museli switche pres leto asi 2x vypnout a zapnout a >> presto to to znova nabehlo do 10/FD. Jinak jedna z verzi byla pouzit >> vykonejsi Atmel....jestli se dobre pamatuji (nevzpomenu si ted z hlavyt na >> presny oznaceni) tak AT890SL52T2, ktery ma v sobe AD prevodniky, chteli jsme >> to pro digitalizaci RSSI a nasledny prevod do IP vrstvy....neco jako ma >> Papouch/HWserver. Ale vzhledem k cene/slozitosti, ale bohuzel...hlavne kvuli >> nestabilite o ktere hovoris jsme se na to vyprdli. Spise by bylo dobre >> pouzit druhy obvod pro vyhodnoceni RSSI, aby se hlavni obvod nezdrzoval >> dalsimi procesy. > > Bohuzel i kdyby se to zkusilo na 1000 instalacich, tak se muze stat, ze to na > 1001. selze. Neco podobnyho se stalo s tim AUI. To je potreba delat uvahou / > vypoctem, ne zkousenim kolik kusu chodi. > > CL< >> -=RYS=- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Od: clock na twibright.com >>> Komu: Twibright Ronja >>> Datum: 21.09.2007 10:17 >>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:44:38AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: >>>> Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png . >>>> Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto konfere) a musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. >>>> Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam Atmel na >>>> ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. >>> Nedelej si s tim hlavu ze to neni free, ja sem presvedcen ze to stejne fungovat >>> spravne nemuze. Kdyz jsem navrhoval Twistera, zkousel jsem to taky napred >>> takhle analogove casovat jako to bylo v AUI Forte a jako to mas ty jenze to uz >>> se neslo vejit s tolerancema soucastek do ty normy. To casovani u TP a u AUI ma >>> nejaky odlisnosti ktery tam prave vadily. Tak jsem to casovani musel udelat >>> digitalne coz byl major opruz (18 pouzder), ale jinak to bohuzel neslo. >>> >>> Takze si myslim ze ti to bude chodit tak ze vetsine lidi jo a lidem co budou >>> mit smulu na nevhodnou konstelaci soucastek to bude blbnout nebo nechodit. >>> Pripadne funkcnost bude zavisla na teplote nebo napajecim napeti. >>> >>> Tolerance jsou svine stary AUI melo takovou bugu ze to obcas nekomu nechodilo, >>> musel jsem to vytrhat a predelat na AUI Forte. >>> >>> Je hezky kdyz nekomu chodi na stole jeden nebo nekolik exemplaru, ale je >>> potreba jeste zarucit, aby to chodilo v ramci technickych moznosti spolehlive >>> kazdymu kdo to postavi. Ja chci, aby Ronja byla spolehliva. >>> >>> CL< >>>> M. >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Od: eldis111 na seznam.cz >>>>> Komu: Twibright Ronja >>>>> Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 >>>>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>>>> >>>>> Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) >>>>> Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. >>>>> Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? >>>>> >>>>> eldis >>>>> >>>>>> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >>>>>> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) >>>>>> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >>>>>> >>>>>> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cipis >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "-=RYS=-" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM >>>>>> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim doucit. >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>>>>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > > >>>>> -- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> -- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> > >> -- >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Sep 21 18:51:45 2007 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:51:45 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube References: <200709192354.19899@centrum.cz><005801c7fbc0$3620a470$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20070921082423.GA2952@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <005d01c7fc78$13b5dff0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> A on se nekdo RYSovi posmiva? Musis rozlisovat smich a posmech, jsou to dve dost odlisne veci. Kdybych se posmival, tak to bude neco stylem "rys je *p?p* a *p?p* a dela ze sebe *p?p* a jeste to toci a dava na net". Nic takoveho jsem neudelal. Jen jsem psal, ze jsem se u toho moc dobre pobavil, nic vic, nic min. Jinak pokud to vememe vazne, tak to chce rozhodne tocit nekym jinym nez tim, kdo to i zaroven predvadi. K tomu si nachystat ten komentar, klidne i cesky foneticky napsat a odmluvit to. Klidne na vic pokusu. Kdyby byl Rys z Brna nebo odnekud tu, tak mu to klidne natocim, neni problem. Kameru sice nemam, ale ruku mam snad pevnou :-) Takze asi tak. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 09:55:36PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) Ja myslim ze neni na miste se posmivat lidem, co se snazi o anglickou prezentaci i kdyz jim anglictina nejde. Pro anglicky mluvci lepsi nez kdyby to bylo cely v cestine. Kdyz se takovejm lidem budete posmivat, pak treba nebudou chtit psat/mluvit anglicky vubec protoze se budou bat posmechu. Fakt je ze anglictina je 1. nejpouzivanejsi jazyk na svete (pokud se pocita i s nerodilejma mluvcima) a tak se snaha prezentovat v anglictine da vykladat jako snaha aby tomu rozumnelo co nejvic lidi na svete. Lepsi nez se posmivat by bylo spis k tomu sepsat titulky anglicky. Ale bohuzel tohle video si stejne myslim ze Ronje nepomuze, jak pisu v jinym e-mailu, neverim ze ten obvod muze fungovat kazdymu spolehlive. CL From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Sep 21 18:55:15 2007 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:55:15 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube References: <200709210144.2671@centrum.cz><20070921081648.GA17089@kestrel.barix.local><200709211520.19259@centrum.cz> <20070921161242.GA1835@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <007001c7fc78$90cbd120$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Mne to nefungovalo, tenhle typ TP interfacu, takze toho 1001 hledat nemusis. Resp. na stole iface x iface jakztakz ano, ale s Ronjou nikoli, chovalo se to nahodne, zkratka nepouzitelne. Po vymene za Twister no problem. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:20:23PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Ahoj Karle. Pravdou je, ze jsem postavil jen tenhle jeden kus linky > (2ks). > Kolega na Slovensku postavil tusim 10ks a kolega v Chorvatsku asi 40ks. Co > vim, tak to stavil jeste jeden Slovinec. Muzu rici jedno, vsem to chodilo > na > prvni zapojeni. Je fakt a to musim uznat, ze teplota je svine a je mozne, > ze > to ujedet. Ale na druhou stranu jeden spoj beha ve Splitu uz 2 roky a v > lete > vypadek nemeli a to museli switche pres leto asi 2x vypnout a zapnout a > presto to to znova nabehlo do 10/FD. Jinak jedna z verzi byla pouzit > vykonejsi Atmel....jestli se dobre pamatuji (nevzpomenu si ted z hlavyt na > presny oznaceni) tak AT890SL52T2, ktery ma v sobe AD prevodniky, chteli > jsme > to pro digitalizaci RSSI a nasledny prevod do IP vrstvy....neco jako ma > Papouch/HWserver. Ale vzhledem k cene/slozitosti, ale bohuzel...hlavne > kvuli > nestabilite o ktere hovoris jsme se na to vyprdli. Spise by bylo dobre > pouzit druhy obvod pro vyhodnoceni RSSI, aby se hlavni obvod nezdrzoval > dalsimi procesy. Bohuzel i kdyby se to zkusilo na 1000 instalacich, tak se muze stat, ze to na 1001. selze. Neco podobnyho se stalo s tim AUI. To je potreba delat uvahou / vypoctem, ne zkousenim kolik kusu chodi. CL< > -=RYS=- > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: clock na twibright.com > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: 21.09.2007 10:17 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > >On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:44:38AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > >> Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z > >> http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png . > >> Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto > >> konfere) a musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. > >> Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam > >> Atmel na > >> ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. > > > >Nedelej si s tim hlavu ze to neni free, ja sem presvedcen ze to stejne > >fungovat > >spravne nemuze. Kdyz jsem navrhoval Twistera, zkousel jsem to taky napred > >takhle analogove casovat jako to bylo v AUI Forte a jako to mas ty jenze > >to uz > >se neslo vejit s tolerancema soucastek do ty normy. To casovani u TP a u > >AUI ma > >nejaky odlisnosti ktery tam prave vadily. Tak jsem to casovani musel > >udelat > >digitalne coz byl major opruz (18 pouzder), ale jinak to bohuzel neslo. > > > >Takze si myslim ze ti to bude chodit tak ze vetsine lidi jo a lidem co > >budou > >mit smulu na nevhodnou konstelaci soucastek to bude blbnout nebo > >nechodit. > >Pripadne funkcnost bude zavisla na teplote nebo napajecim napeti. > > > >Tolerance jsou svine stary AUI melo takovou bugu ze to obcas nekomu > >nechodilo, > >musel jsem to vytrhat a predelat na AUI Forte. > > > >Je hezky kdyz nekomu chodi na stole jeden nebo nekolik exemplaru, ale je > >potreba jeste zarucit, aby to chodilo v ramci technickych moznosti > >spolehlive > >kazdymu kdo to postavi. Ja chci, aby Ronja byla spolehliva. > > > >CL< > >> M. > >> > ______________________________________________________________ > >> > Od: eldis111 na seznam.cz > >> > Komu: Twibright Ronja > >> > Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 > >> > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >> > > >> >Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) > >> >Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. > >> >Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? > >> > > >> >eldis > >> > > >> >> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >> >> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > >> >> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >> >> > >> >> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Cipis > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "-=RYS=-" > >> >> To: > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > >> >> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim > >> >> > >>> doucit. > >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list > >> >> > >>> http://ronja.twibright.com > >> >>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net > >> >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> > > >> >-- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> >Ronja na lists.pointless.net > >> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > >> -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> Ronja na lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >-- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >Ronja na lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com Ronja na lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Sep 21 19:18:48 2007 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:18:48 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] another design WAS: Re: Test Youtube References: <2833.5820-15223-762434825-1190392336@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <00ab01c7fc7b$daf69ac0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Rozdil mezi spatnou soucastkou a spatnym designem je dost podstatny. Praveze tu soucastku velice jednoduse vymenis za funkcni, kdezto v nefunkcnim kusu podle spatneho designu vymenis co? A ze to obcas nejede je znama vec. V tehle konkretni veci ma Clock pravdu. Jinak co se tyce "cizich" designu - zcela jiste bych tam napr. zaradil mnaguv prijimac. Odmitat ho kvuli tomu, ze je nakresleny v eaglu, ktery je i ve verzi zdarma na Windows, to je to, co mi vadi. Nebo by to chtelo dokopat "kralj" k tomu, aby dodrzel, co slibil a zverejnil svuj 20 a 25 Mbps interface. Pokud by se podarilo se stavajicim prijimacem a vysilacem dostat 25 Mbps za cenu polovicniho az tretinoveho dosahu, bylo by to take skvele. Za tech vic jak deset tisic se mi to ale vazne nechce kupovat. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "eldis111" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube Zdar clocku, nevim jestli to prijde jenom me, ale mam pocit, ze ty proste odmitas jakoukoli vec, ktera nepochazi z tve hlavy. Jasne, mas hezky projekt, jasne, mas na co byt pysny, ale vem taky ze nejsi sam, kdo se snazi projektu neco noveho prinest. Me osobne netrapi, ze udelam 1000 kusu twisteru a 1001 nebude chodit, to snad netrapi ani obrovske firmy ktere tento obrat bezproblemu maji. Zajimalo by me, jaka je procentualni sance, ze nejaky 74 obvod vyjede z linky nefunkcni, urcite nebude 100% v tolerancich, tak se holt spatny kus vyradi, to neni konec sveta ne? Poruchovost 1/10 je problem, 1/100 obcas zamrzi, ale 1/1000? vec, se kterou vetsina amaterskych elektrotechniku snad dokaze zit. Muj nazor, nikomu nevnucuji. Pouze se zastavam dalsich vyvojaru. btw, jak se pocita poruchovost designu? Jako nejhorsi mozny stav z toleranci v datasheetu? eldis > On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:20:23PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: >> Ahoj Karle. Pravdou je, ze jsem postavil jen tenhle jeden kus linky >> (2ks). >> Kolega na Slovensku postavil tusim 10ks a kolega v Chorvatsku asi 40ks. >> Co >> vim, tak to stavil jeste jeden Slovinec. Muzu rici jedno, vsem to >> chodilo na >> prvni zapojeni. Je fakt a to musim uznat, ze teplota je svine a je >> mozne, ze >> to ujedet. Ale na druhou stranu jeden spoj beha ve Splitu uz 2 roky a v >> lete >> vypadek nemeli a to museli switche pres leto asi 2x vypnout a zapnout a >> presto to to znova nabehlo do 10/FD. Jinak jedna z verzi byla pouzit >> vykonejsi Atmel....jestli se dobre pamatuji (nevzpomenu si ted z hlavyt >> na >> presny oznaceni) tak AT890SL52T2, ktery ma v sobe AD prevodniky, chteli >> jsme >> to pro digitalizaci RSSI a nasledny prevod do IP vrstvy....neco jako ma >> Papouch/HWserver. Ale vzhledem k cene/slozitosti, ale bohuzel...hlavne >> kvuli >> nestabilite o ktere hovoris jsme se na to vyprdli. Spise by bylo dobre >> pouzit druhy obvod pro vyhodnoceni RSSI, aby se hlavni obvod nezdrzoval >> dalsimi procesy. > > Bohuzel i kdyby se to zkusilo na 1000 instalacich, tak se muze stat, ze to > na > 1001. selze. Neco podobnyho se stalo s tim AUI. To je potreba delat uvahou > / > vypoctem, ne zkousenim kolik kusu chodi. > > CL< >> -=RYS=- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Od: clock na twibright.com >>> Komu: Twibright Ronja >>> Datum: 21.09.2007 10:17 >>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:44:38AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: >>>> Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z >>>> http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png . >>>> Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto >>>> konfere) a musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. >>>> Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam >>>> Atmel na >>>> ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. >>> Nedelej si s tim hlavu ze to neni free, ja sem presvedcen ze to stejne >>> fungovat >>> spravne nemuze. Kdyz jsem navrhoval Twistera, zkousel jsem to taky >>> napred >>> takhle analogove casovat jako to bylo v AUI Forte a jako to mas ty jenze >>> to uz >>> se neslo vejit s tolerancema soucastek do ty normy. To casovani u TP a u >>> AUI ma >>> nejaky odlisnosti ktery tam prave vadily. Tak jsem to casovani musel >>> udelat >>> digitalne coz byl major opruz (18 pouzder), ale jinak to bohuzel neslo. >>> >>> Takze si myslim ze ti to bude chodit tak ze vetsine lidi jo a lidem co >>> budou >>> mit smulu na nevhodnou konstelaci soucastek to bude blbnout nebo >>> nechodit. >>> Pripadne funkcnost bude zavisla na teplote nebo napajecim napeti. >>> >>> Tolerance jsou svine stary AUI melo takovou bugu ze to obcas nekomu >>> nechodilo, >>> musel jsem to vytrhat a predelat na AUI Forte. >>> >>> Je hezky kdyz nekomu chodi na stole jeden nebo nekolik exemplaru, ale je >>> potreba jeste zarucit, aby to chodilo v ramci technickych moznosti >>> spolehlive >>> kazdymu kdo to postavi. Ja chci, aby Ronja byla spolehliva. >>> >>> CL< >>>> M. >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Od: eldis111 na seznam.cz >>>>> Komu: Twibright Ronja >>>>> Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 >>>>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>>>> >>>>> Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) >>>>> Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. >>>>> Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? >>>>> >>>>> eldis >>>>> >>>>>> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >>>>>> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) >>>>>> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >>>>>> >>>>>> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cipis >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "-=RYS=-" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM >>>>>> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji >>>>>> musim doucit. >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list >>>>>> http://ronja.twibright.com >>>>>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > > >>>>> -- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> -- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> > >> -- >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com Ronja na lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Sep 21 19:36:11 2007 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:36:11 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Namet na jedno z moznych reseni prostupnosti mlhou Message-ID: <200709212036.3487@centrum.cz> Mimo radiozalohy se da mlha/snih taky propalit, ale je treba alespon 50W laseru. Co takhle pouzit 100W ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfuPlkIggCQ ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070921/e0d83420/attachment.html From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Fri Sep 21 20:32:53 2007 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:32:53 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] another design WAS: Re: Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <00ab01c7fc7b$daf69ac0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <2833.5820-15223-762434825-1190392336@seznam.cz> <00ab01c7fc7b$daf69ac0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <46F41C65.2010604@centrum.cz> hele a karlj to nak "oficialne" prodava? ... myslim tim jestli ma neco ve stylu/smyslu mojich stranek kde to nabizi.. nebo to snad dela jenom pro vlastni potrebu? Cipis napsal(a): > Rozdil mezi spatnou soucastkou a spatnym designem je dost podstatny. > Praveze tu soucastku velice jednoduse vymenis za funkcni, kdezto v > nefunkcnim kusu podle spatneho designu vymenis co? > A ze to obcas nejede je znama vec. > V tehle konkretni veci ma Clock pravdu. > Jinak co se tyce "cizich" designu - zcela jiste bych tam napr. zaradil > mnaguv prijimac. > Odmitat ho kvuli tomu, ze je nakresleny v eaglu, ktery je i ve verzi zdarma > na Windows, to je to, co mi vadi. > Nebo by to chtelo dokopat "kralj" k tomu, aby dodrzel, co slibil a zverejnil > svuj 20 a 25 Mbps interface. > Pokud by se podarilo se stavajicim prijimacem a vysilacem dostat 25 Mbps za > cenu polovicniho az tretinoveho dosahu, bylo by to take skvele. Za tech vic > jak deset tisic se mi to ale vazne nechce kupovat. > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eldis111" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:32 PM > Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > Zdar clocku, nevim jestli to prijde jenom me, ale mam pocit, ze ty proste > odmitas jakoukoli vec, > ktera nepochazi z tve hlavy. Jasne, mas hezky projekt, jasne, mas na co byt > pysny, > ale vem taky ze nejsi sam, kdo se snazi projektu neco noveho prinest. > Me osobne netrapi, ze udelam 1000 kusu twisteru a 1001 nebude chodit, > to snad netrapi ani obrovske firmy ktere tento obrat bezproblemu maji. > Zajimalo by me, jaka je procentualni sance, ze nejaky 74 obvod vyjede z > linky nefunkcni, > urcite nebude 100% v tolerancich, tak se holt spatny kus vyradi, to neni > konec sveta ne? > Poruchovost 1/10 je problem, 1/100 obcas zamrzi, ale 1/1000? vec, > se kterou vetsina amaterskych elektrotechniku snad dokaze zit. > > Muj nazor, nikomu nevnucuji. Pouze se zastavam dalsich vyvojaru. > > btw, jak se pocita poruchovost designu? Jako nejhorsi mozny stav z toleranci > v datasheetu? > eldis > >> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:20:23PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: >>> Ahoj Karle. Pravdou je, ze jsem postavil jen tenhle jeden kus linky >>> (2ks). >>> Kolega na Slovensku postavil tusim 10ks a kolega v Chorvatsku asi 40ks. >>> Co >>> vim, tak to stavil jeste jeden Slovinec. Muzu rici jedno, vsem to >>> chodilo na >>> prvni zapojeni. Je fakt a to musim uznat, ze teplota je svine a je >>> mozne, ze >>> to ujedet. Ale na druhou stranu jeden spoj beha ve Splitu uz 2 roky a v >>> lete >>> vypadek nemeli a to museli switche pres leto asi 2x vypnout a zapnout a >>> presto to to znova nabehlo do 10/FD. Jinak jedna z verzi byla pouzit >>> vykonejsi Atmel....jestli se dobre pamatuji (nevzpomenu si ted z hlavyt >>> na >>> presny oznaceni) tak AT890SL52T2, ktery ma v sobe AD prevodniky, chteli >>> jsme >>> to pro digitalizaci RSSI a nasledny prevod do IP vrstvy....neco jako ma >>> Papouch/HWserver. Ale vzhledem k cene/slozitosti, ale bohuzel...hlavne >>> kvuli >>> nestabilite o ktere hovoris jsme se na to vyprdli. Spise by bylo dobre >>> pouzit druhy obvod pro vyhodnoceni RSSI, aby se hlavni obvod nezdrzoval >>> dalsimi procesy. >> Bohuzel i kdyby se to zkusilo na 1000 instalacich, tak se muze stat, ze to >> na >> 1001. selze. Neco podobnyho se stalo s tim AUI. To je potreba delat uvahou >> / >> vypoctem, ne zkousenim kolik kusu chodi. >> >> CL< >>> -=RYS=- >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Od: clock na twibright.com >>>> Komu: Twibright Ronja >>>> Datum: 21.09.2007 10:17 >>>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:44:38AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: >>>>> Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z >>>>> http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png . >>>>> Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto >>>>> konfere) a musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. >>>>> Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam >>>>> Atmel na >>>>> ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. >>>> Nedelej si s tim hlavu ze to neni free, ja sem presvedcen ze to stejne >>>> fungovat >>>> spravne nemuze. Kdyz jsem navrhoval Twistera, zkousel jsem to taky >>>> napred >>>> takhle analogove casovat jako to bylo v AUI Forte a jako to mas ty jenze >>>> to uz >>>> se neslo vejit s tolerancema soucastek do ty normy. To casovani u TP a u >>>> AUI ma >>>> nejaky odlisnosti ktery tam prave vadily. Tak jsem to casovani musel >>>> udelat >>>> digitalne coz byl major opruz (18 pouzder), ale jinak to bohuzel neslo. >>>> >>>> Takze si myslim ze ti to bude chodit tak ze vetsine lidi jo a lidem co >>>> budou >>>> mit smulu na nevhodnou konstelaci soucastek to bude blbnout nebo >>>> nechodit. >>>> Pripadne funkcnost bude zavisla na teplote nebo napajecim napeti. >>>> >>>> Tolerance jsou svine stary AUI melo takovou bugu ze to obcas nekomu >>>> nechodilo, >>>> musel jsem to vytrhat a predelat na AUI Forte. >>>> >>>> Je hezky kdyz nekomu chodi na stole jeden nebo nekolik exemplaru, ale je >>>> potreba jeste zarucit, aby to chodilo v ramci technickych moznosti >>>> spolehlive >>>> kazdymu kdo to postavi. Ja chci, aby Ronja byla spolehliva. >>>> >>>> CL< >>>>> M. >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Od: eldis111 na seznam.cz >>>>>> Komu: Twibright Ronja >>>>>> Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 >>>>>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>>>>> >>>>>> Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) >>>>>> Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. >>>>>> Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? >>>>>> >>>>>> eldis >>>>>> >>>>>>> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >>>>>>> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) >>>>>>> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cipis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "-=RYS=-" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji >>>>>>> musim doucit. >>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list >>>>>>> http://ronja.twibright.com >>>>>>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>>>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> -- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>> -- >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Sep 21 20:37:59 2007 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:37:59 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] another design WAS: Re: Test Youtube References: <2833.5820-15223-762434825-1190392336@seznam.cz><00ab01c7fc7b$daf69ac0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <46F41C65.2010604@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <00c701c7fc86$ea7b6100$5046a8c0@cipis.net> no dokonce kdysi dosla i nabidka na mail nevim, dlouho jsem s nim nemluvil ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] another design WAS: Re: Test Youtube hele a karlj to nak "oficialne" prodava? ... myslim tim jestli ma neco ve stylu/smyslu mojich stranek kde to nabizi.. nebo to snad dela jenom pro vlastni potrebu? Cipis napsal(a): > Rozdil mezi spatnou soucastkou a spatnym designem je dost podstatny. > Praveze tu soucastku velice jednoduse vymenis za funkcni, kdezto v > nefunkcnim kusu podle spatneho designu vymenis co? > A ze to obcas nejede je znama vec. > V tehle konkretni veci ma Clock pravdu. > Jinak co se tyce "cizich" designu - zcela jiste bych tam napr. zaradil > mnaguv prijimac. > Odmitat ho kvuli tomu, ze je nakresleny v eaglu, ktery je i ve verzi > zdarma > na Windows, to je to, co mi vadi. > Nebo by to chtelo dokopat "kralj" k tomu, aby dodrzel, co slibil a > zverejnil > svuj 20 a 25 Mbps interface. > Pokud by se podarilo se stavajicim prijimacem a vysilacem dostat 25 Mbps > za > cenu polovicniho az tretinoveho dosahu, bylo by to take skvele. Za tech > vic > jak deset tisic se mi to ale vazne nechce kupovat. > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eldis111" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:32 PM > Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > Zdar clocku, nevim jestli to prijde jenom me, ale mam pocit, ze ty proste > odmitas jakoukoli vec, > ktera nepochazi z tve hlavy. Jasne, mas hezky projekt, jasne, mas na co > byt > pysny, > ale vem taky ze nejsi sam, kdo se snazi projektu neco noveho prinest. > Me osobne netrapi, ze udelam 1000 kusu twisteru a 1001 nebude chodit, > to snad netrapi ani obrovske firmy ktere tento obrat bezproblemu maji. > Zajimalo by me, jaka je procentualni sance, ze nejaky 74 obvod vyjede z > linky nefunkcni, > urcite nebude 100% v tolerancich, tak se holt spatny kus vyradi, to neni > konec sveta ne? > Poruchovost 1/10 je problem, 1/100 obcas zamrzi, ale 1/1000? vec, > se kterou vetsina amaterskych elektrotechniku snad dokaze zit. > > Muj nazor, nikomu nevnucuji. Pouze se zastavam dalsich vyvojaru. > > btw, jak se pocita poruchovost designu? Jako nejhorsi mozny stav z > toleranci > v datasheetu? > eldis > >> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:20:23PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: >>> Ahoj Karle. Pravdou je, ze jsem postavil jen tenhle jeden kus linky >>> (2ks). >>> Kolega na Slovensku postavil tusim 10ks a kolega v Chorvatsku asi 40ks. >>> Co >>> vim, tak to stavil jeste jeden Slovinec. Muzu rici jedno, vsem to >>> chodilo na >>> prvni zapojeni. Je fakt a to musim uznat, ze teplota je svine a je >>> mozne, ze >>> to ujedet. Ale na druhou stranu jeden spoj beha ve Splitu uz 2 roky a v >>> lete >>> vypadek nemeli a to museli switche pres leto asi 2x vypnout a zapnout a >>> presto to to znova nabehlo do 10/FD. Jinak jedna z verzi byla pouzit >>> vykonejsi Atmel....jestli se dobre pamatuji (nevzpomenu si ted z hlavyt >>> na >>> presny oznaceni) tak AT890SL52T2, ktery ma v sobe AD prevodniky, chteli >>> jsme >>> to pro digitalizaci RSSI a nasledny prevod do IP vrstvy....neco jako ma >>> Papouch/HWserver. Ale vzhledem k cene/slozitosti, ale bohuzel...hlavne >>> kvuli >>> nestabilite o ktere hovoris jsme se na to vyprdli. Spise by bylo dobre >>> pouzit druhy obvod pro vyhodnoceni RSSI, aby se hlavni obvod nezdrzoval >>> dalsimi procesy. >> Bohuzel i kdyby se to zkusilo na 1000 instalacich, tak se muze stat, ze >> to >> na >> 1001. selze. Neco podobnyho se stalo s tim AUI. To je potreba delat >> uvahou >> / >> vypoctem, ne zkousenim kolik kusu chodi. >> >> CL< >>> -=RYS=- >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Od: clock na twibright.com >>>> Komu: Twibright Ronja >>>> Datum: 21.09.2007 10:17 >>>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:44:38AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: >>>>> Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z >>>>> http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png >>>>> . >>>>> Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto >>>>> konfere) a musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. >>>>> Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam >>>>> Atmel na >>>>> ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. >>>> Nedelej si s tim hlavu ze to neni free, ja sem presvedcen ze to stejne >>>> fungovat >>>> spravne nemuze. Kdyz jsem navrhoval Twistera, zkousel jsem to taky >>>> napred >>>> takhle analogove casovat jako to bylo v AUI Forte a jako to mas ty >>>> jenze >>>> to uz >>>> se neslo vejit s tolerancema soucastek do ty normy. To casovani u TP a >>>> u >>>> AUI ma >>>> nejaky odlisnosti ktery tam prave vadily. Tak jsem to casovani musel >>>> udelat >>>> digitalne coz byl major opruz (18 pouzder), ale jinak to bohuzel neslo. >>>> >>>> Takze si myslim ze ti to bude chodit tak ze vetsine lidi jo a lidem co >>>> budou >>>> mit smulu na nevhodnou konstelaci soucastek to bude blbnout nebo >>>> nechodit. >>>> Pripadne funkcnost bude zavisla na teplote nebo napajecim napeti. >>>> >>>> Tolerance jsou svine stary AUI melo takovou bugu ze to obcas nekomu >>>> nechodilo, >>>> musel jsem to vytrhat a predelat na AUI Forte. >>>> >>>> Je hezky kdyz nekomu chodi na stole jeden nebo nekolik exemplaru, ale >>>> je >>>> potreba jeste zarucit, aby to chodilo v ramci technickych moznosti >>>> spolehlive >>>> kazdymu kdo to postavi. Ja chci, aby Ronja byla spolehliva. >>>> >>>> CL< >>>>> M. >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Od: eldis111 na seznam.cz >>>>>> Komu: Twibright Ronja >>>>>> Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 >>>>>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>>>>> >>>>>> Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) >>>>>> Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. >>>>>> Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? >>>>>> >>>>>> eldis >>>>>> >>>>>>> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >>>>>>> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) >>>>>>> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cipis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "-=RYS=-" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji >>>>>>> musim doucit. >>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list >>>>>>> http://ronja.twibright.com >>>>>>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>>>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> -- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>> -- >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > -- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com Ronja na lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 22 11:59:01 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:59:01 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <007001c7fc78$90cbd120$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <20070921161242.GA1835@kestrel.barix.local> <007001c7fc78$90cbd120$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20070922105901.GB21973@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:55:15PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > Mne to nefungovalo, tenhle typ TP interfacu, takze toho 1001 hledat nemusis. > Resp. na stole iface x iface jakztakz ano, ale s Ronjou nikoli, chovalo se > to nahodne, zkratka nepouzitelne. > Po vymene za Twister no problem. I will maybe need to implement the autonegotiation anyway because it shows that some switches are non compliant to the ieee 802.3 but work with compliant devices. But Ronja is noncompliant too because it starts sending the packets immediately and doesn't wait for 3 link integrity pulses before starting to transmit. So the improperly implemented device doesn't count any link integrity pulses (it should also count the packets) and doesn't come up. It happens only if Ronja is under constant broadcast as we had in our RTP test. Someone has to put a hand in from of the RX for a while or disconnect the RX for a moment to bring the link up. This of course doesn't need autonegotiation, just counting the link integrity pulses, but if I should already have the mechanism to identify the pulses, it shouldn't probably be a big issue to add a CPU to send replies. At least it would probably remove the complicated link integrity generating logic which contains two counters, two large gates etc. CL< > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:20:23PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Ahoj Karle. Pravdou je, ze jsem postavil jen tenhle jeden kus linky > > (2ks). > > Kolega na Slovensku postavil tusim 10ks a kolega v Chorvatsku asi 40ks. Co > > vim, tak to stavil jeste jeden Slovinec. Muzu rici jedno, vsem to chodilo > > na > > prvni zapojeni. Je fakt a to musim uznat, ze teplota je svine a je mozne, > > ze > > to ujedet. Ale na druhou stranu jeden spoj beha ve Splitu uz 2 roky a v > > lete > > vypadek nemeli a to museli switche pres leto asi 2x vypnout a zapnout a > > presto to to znova nabehlo do 10/FD. Jinak jedna z verzi byla pouzit > > vykonejsi Atmel....jestli se dobre pamatuji (nevzpomenu si ted z hlavyt na > > presny oznaceni) tak AT890SL52T2, ktery ma v sobe AD prevodniky, chteli > > jsme > > to pro digitalizaci RSSI a nasledny prevod do IP vrstvy....neco jako ma > > Papouch/HWserver. Ale vzhledem k cene/slozitosti, ale bohuzel...hlavne > > kvuli > > nestabilite o ktere hovoris jsme se na to vyprdli. Spise by bylo dobre > > pouzit druhy obvod pro vyhodnoceni RSSI, aby se hlavni obvod nezdrzoval > > dalsimi procesy. > > Bohuzel i kdyby se to zkusilo na 1000 instalacich, tak se muze stat, ze to > na > 1001. selze. Neco podobnyho se stalo s tim AUI. To je potreba delat uvahou / > vypoctem, ne zkousenim kolik kusu chodi. > > CL< > > -=RYS=- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: clock at twibright.com > > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > > Datum: 21.09.2007 10:17 > > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > > > >On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:44:38AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > >> Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z > > >> http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png . > > >> Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto > > >> konfere) a musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. > > >> Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam > > >> Atmel na > > >> ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. > > > > > >Nedelej si s tim hlavu ze to neni free, ja sem presvedcen ze to stejne > > >fungovat > > >spravne nemuze. Kdyz jsem navrhoval Twistera, zkousel jsem to taky napred > > >takhle analogove casovat jako to bylo v AUI Forte a jako to mas ty jenze > > >to uz > > >se neslo vejit s tolerancema soucastek do ty normy. To casovani u TP a u > > >AUI ma > > >nejaky odlisnosti ktery tam prave vadily. Tak jsem to casovani musel > > >udelat > > >digitalne coz byl major opruz (18 pouzder), ale jinak to bohuzel neslo. > > > > > >Takze si myslim ze ti to bude chodit tak ze vetsine lidi jo a lidem co > > >budou > > >mit smulu na nevhodnou konstelaci soucastek to bude blbnout nebo > > >nechodit. > > >Pripadne funkcnost bude zavisla na teplote nebo napajecim napeti. > > > > > >Tolerance jsou svine stary AUI melo takovou bugu ze to obcas nekomu > > >nechodilo, > > >musel jsem to vytrhat a predelat na AUI Forte. > > > > > >Je hezky kdyz nekomu chodi na stole jeden nebo nekolik exemplaru, ale je > > >potreba jeste zarucit, aby to chodilo v ramci technickych moznosti > > >spolehlive > > >kazdymu kdo to postavi. Ja chci, aby Ronja byla spolehliva. > > > > > >CL< > > >> M. > > >> > ______________________________________________________________ > > >> > Od: eldis111 at seznam.cz > > >> > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > >> > Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 > > >> > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > >> > > > >> >Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) > > >> >Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. > > >> >Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? > > >> > > > >> >eldis > > >> > > > >> >> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > >> >> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > > >> >> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > >> >> > > >> >> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Cipis > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "-=RYS=-" > > >> >> To: > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > > >> >> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji musim > > >> >> > >>> doucit. > > >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list > > >> >> > >>> http://ronja.twibright.com > > >> >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > >> >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> >-- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > >> >Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > >> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> > > > > > >> -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > >-- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > >Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 22 12:04:23 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:04:23 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] another design WAS: Re: Test Youtube In-Reply-To: <00ab01c7fc7b$daf69ac0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <2833.5820-15223-762434825-1190392336@seznam.cz> <00ab01c7fc7b$daf69ac0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20070922110423.GC21973@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 08:18:48PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > Rozdil mezi spatnou soucastkou a spatnym designem je dost podstatny. > Praveze tu soucastku velice jednoduse vymenis za funkcni, kdezto v > nefunkcnim kusu podle spatneho designu vymenis co? To se vymeni podstatna cast designu, pripadne cely. > A ze to obcas nejede je znama vec. > V tehle konkretni veci ma Clock pravdu. > Jinak co se tyce "cizich" designu - zcela jiste bych tam napr. zaradil > mnaguv prijimac. > Odmitat ho kvuli tomu, ze je nakresleny v eaglu, ktery je i ve verzi zdarma > na Windows, to je to, co mi vadi. Z eaglu mi moje skripty nevyexportujou seznamy soucastek, z commandlajny mi to nepobezi. Neni to free software, neni flexibilni, vyrobce diktuje co s nim smis delat a co ne. Kdyz v nem bude buga a nebudou ji chtit opravit, sem namydlenej. Navic to ma omezeni na velikost desky a pocet vrstev -> crippleware. Integrovat s PCB se to neda uz vubec. Co kdyz budu chtit slepit TX a ten interface dohromady, jedno bude v PCB a druhy v Eaglu? To je uplna absurdita, brat do Ronji veci v Eaglu. Muzes to preklikat z Eaglu do PCB, otazka je ale jestli ten design vubec je vhodny pro zarazeni do Ronji, ted si nevybavuju, o co se jednalo. CL< > Nebo by to chtelo dokopat "kralj" k tomu, aby dodrzel, co slibil a zverejnil > svuj 20 a 25 Mbps interface. > Pokud by se podarilo se stavajicim prijimacem a vysilacem dostat 25 Mbps za > cenu polovicniho az tretinoveho dosahu, bylo by to take skvele. Za tech vic > jak deset tisic se mi to ale vazne nechce kupovat. > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eldis111" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:32 PM > Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > > > Zdar clocku, nevim jestli to prijde jenom me, ale mam pocit, ze ty proste > odmitas jakoukoli vec, > ktera nepochazi z tve hlavy. Jasne, mas hezky projekt, jasne, mas na co byt > pysny, > ale vem taky ze nejsi sam, kdo se snazi projektu neco noveho prinest. > Me osobne netrapi, ze udelam 1000 kusu twisteru a 1001 nebude chodit, > to snad netrapi ani obrovske firmy ktere tento obrat bezproblemu maji. > Zajimalo by me, jaka je procentualni sance, ze nejaky 74 obvod vyjede z > linky nefunkcni, > urcite nebude 100% v tolerancich, tak se holt spatny kus vyradi, to neni > konec sveta ne? > Poruchovost 1/10 je problem, 1/100 obcas zamrzi, ale 1/1000? vec, > se kterou vetsina amaterskych elektrotechniku snad dokaze zit. > > Muj nazor, nikomu nevnucuji. Pouze se zastavam dalsich vyvojaru. > > btw, jak se pocita poruchovost designu? Jako nejhorsi mozny stav z toleranci > v datasheetu? > eldis > > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:20:23PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > >> Ahoj Karle. Pravdou je, ze jsem postavil jen tenhle jeden kus linky > >> (2ks). > >> Kolega na Slovensku postavil tusim 10ks a kolega v Chorvatsku asi 40ks. > >> Co > >> vim, tak to stavil jeste jeden Slovinec. Muzu rici jedno, vsem to > >> chodilo na > >> prvni zapojeni. Je fakt a to musim uznat, ze teplota je svine a je > >> mozne, ze > >> to ujedet. Ale na druhou stranu jeden spoj beha ve Splitu uz 2 roky a v > >> lete > >> vypadek nemeli a to museli switche pres leto asi 2x vypnout a zapnout a > >> presto to to znova nabehlo do 10/FD. Jinak jedna z verzi byla pouzit > >> vykonejsi Atmel....jestli se dobre pamatuji (nevzpomenu si ted z hlavyt > >> na > >> presny oznaceni) tak AT890SL52T2, ktery ma v sobe AD prevodniky, chteli > >> jsme > >> to pro digitalizaci RSSI a nasledny prevod do IP vrstvy....neco jako ma > >> Papouch/HWserver. Ale vzhledem k cene/slozitosti, ale bohuzel...hlavne > >> kvuli > >> nestabilite o ktere hovoris jsme se na to vyprdli. Spise by bylo dobre > >> pouzit druhy obvod pro vyhodnoceni RSSI, aby se hlavni obvod nezdrzoval > >> dalsimi procesy. > > > > Bohuzel i kdyby se to zkusilo na 1000 instalacich, tak se muze stat, ze to > > na > > 1001. selze. Neco podobnyho se stalo s tim AUI. To je potreba delat uvahou > > / > > vypoctem, ne zkousenim kolik kusu chodi. > > > > CL< > >> -=RYS=- > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Od: clock at twibright.com > >>> Komu: Twibright Ronja > >>> Datum: 21.09.2007 10:17 > >>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >>> > >>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 01:44:38AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > >>>> Delal jsem schema, ktere puvodne vychazelo z > >>>> http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/ostatni/schemata/tp-interface_utp_popis.png . > >>>> Problem je, ze fw do Atmela delal nekdo jiny (je s nama na teto > >>>> konfere) a musel by mi povolit pouzit binarku pro free pouziti. > >>>> Dalsi problem je osobni...... nejdrive mi bylo vytykano, ze pouzivam > >>>> Atmel na > >>>> ktery nejsou programy do free OS a po 3 letech je vse naopak. > >>> Nedelej si s tim hlavu ze to neni free, ja sem presvedcen ze to stejne > >>> fungovat > >>> spravne nemuze. Kdyz jsem navrhoval Twistera, zkousel jsem to taky > >>> napred > >>> takhle analogove casovat jako to bylo v AUI Forte a jako to mas ty jenze > >>> to uz > >>> se neslo vejit s tolerancema soucastek do ty normy. To casovani u TP a u > >>> AUI ma > >>> nejaky odlisnosti ktery tam prave vadily. Tak jsem to casovani musel > >>> udelat > >>> digitalne coz byl major opruz (18 pouzder), ale jinak to bohuzel neslo. > >>> > >>> Takze si myslim ze ti to bude chodit tak ze vetsine lidi jo a lidem co > >>> budou > >>> mit smulu na nevhodnou konstelaci soucastek to bude blbnout nebo > >>> nechodit. > >>> Pripadne funkcnost bude zavisla na teplote nebo napajecim napeti. > >>> > >>> Tolerance jsou svine stary AUI melo takovou bugu ze to obcas nekomu > >>> nechodilo, > >>> musel jsem to vytrhat a predelat na AUI Forte. > >>> > >>> Je hezky kdyz nekomu chodi na stole jeden nebo nekolik exemplaru, ale je > >>> potreba jeste zarucit, aby to chodilo v ramci technickych moznosti > >>> spolehlive > >>> kazdymu kdo to postavi. Ja chci, aby Ronja byla spolehliva. > >>> > >>> CL< > >>>> M. > >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>>>> Od: eldis111 at seznam.cz > >>>>> Komu: Twibright Ronja > >>>>> Datum: 20.09.2007 22:43 > >>>>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >>>>> > >>>>> Rozhodne, velice zajimava prezentace ;) > >>>>> Tu anglictinu urcite jeste vypilujete. > >>>>> Bude nekde podrobnejsi info? > >>>>> > >>>>> eldis > >>>>> > >>>>>> Muhehehe :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >>>>>> Sem se musel celou dobu sm?t :-) > >>>>>> Prej cvak :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tak jsem videl, cos udelal tem switchum ode me :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cipis > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "-=RYS=-" > >>>>>> To: > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:54 PM > >>>>>> Subject: [Ronja] Test Youtube > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> Tak jsem testl Youtube...sorac za anglinu....jeste se ji > >>>>>> musim doucit. > >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjExH7i21Gs > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list > >>>>>> http://ronja.twibright.com > >>>>>>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>>>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> -- > >Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >>>>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>> -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >>>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> -- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >> > > > >> -- > >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From dpolak at gmx.ch Sat Sep 22 15:11:12 2007 From: dpolak at gmx.ch (Daniel Polak) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:11:12 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Bertest RX Problems In-Reply-To: <20070920194826.GD24859@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20070909172953.284750@gmx.net> <20070920194826.GD24859@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <20070922141112.226390@gmx.net> I sorted the problem with a PCI 3Com network card. Thanks for reply. > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 07:29:53PM +0200, Daniel Polak wrote: > > I allways get the message from bertest that there are no packets > received. > > Could these be related to a not fully compatible NIC? > > Even when you put some kind of loopback to the NIC? Maybe just the Device > Under Test doesn't work at all. > > CL< > > -- -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 22 21:06:53 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:06:53 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Bertest RX Problems In-Reply-To: <20070922141112.226390@gmx.net> References: <20070909172953.284750@gmx.net> <20070920194826.GD24859@kestrel.barix.local> <20070922141112.226390@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20070922200653.GA27491@kestrel.barix.local> On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 04:11:12PM +0200, Daniel Polak wrote: > I sorted the problem with a PCI 3Com network card. Thanks for reply. What was the problem? CL< > > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 07:29:53PM +0200, Daniel Polak wrote: > > > I allways get the message from bertest that there are no packets > > received. > > > Could these be related to a not fully compatible NIC? > > > > Even when you put some kind of loopback to the NIC? Maybe just the Device > > Under Test doesn't work at all. > > > > CL< > > > -- > > > -- > GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. > Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From eric.e.carson at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 13:25:06 2007 From: eric.e.carson at gmail.com (Eric Carson) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:25:06 -0400 Subject: [Ronja] Multiple Transmitter? Message-ID: I have been studying the commercial alternatives to RONJA, and although they offer more range, higher speeds, and more features, I really did not find anything that would offset the extreme price attached to these units. However, I did notice one design feature that could potentially be applied to RONJA. The use of multiple transmitters. I am not too sure how this would affect the range of the system, a larger "objective" lens would be the simplest solution to that particular problem, however in the use of extremely tall buildings, which have the tendency to sway, or drift around relative to each other, the small divergence of each transmitter could be put to good use, over shorter distances, an intentional "mis-focus" of the transmitter could be appropriate as well. Your thoughts? From kubajz at kbx.cz Sun Sep 23 14:52:30 2007 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:52:30 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Multiple Transmitter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F66F9E.9060107@kbx.cz> This is called Ronja dual head and the range is increasing about 40%. I think the transmitting heads are connected in paralel. K Eric Carson wrote: > I have been studying the commercial alternatives to RONJA, and > although they offer more range, higher speeds, and more features, I > really did not find anything that would offset the extreme price > attached to these units. However, I did notice one design feature > that could potentially be applied to RONJA. > > The use of multiple transmitters. I am not too sure how this would > affect the range of the system, a larger "objective" lens would be the > simplest solution to that particular problem, however in the use of > extremely tall buildings, which have the tendency to sway, or drift > around relative to each other, the small divergence of each > transmitter could be put to good use, over shorter distances, an > intentional "mis-focus" of the transmitter could be appropriate as > well. > > Your thoughts? > -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' From dpolak at gmx.ch Sun Sep 23 20:44:50 2007 From: dpolak at gmx.ch (Daniel Polak) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:44:50 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Bertest RX Problems In-Reply-To: <20070922200653.GA27491@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20070909172953.284750@gmx.net> <20070920194826.GD24859@kestrel.barix.local> <20070922141112.226390@gmx.net> <20070922200653.GA27491@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <20070923194450.59930@gmx.net> It was something with the linux driver not working properly for my onboard intel NIC. I tried several distributions from linux. The driver was allright to run the NIC in autonegotiation mode but not to set it manually to 10 Full. > On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 04:11:12PM +0200, Daniel Polak wrote: > > I sorted the problem with a PCI 3Com network card. Thanks for reply. > > What was the problem? > > CL< > > > > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 07:29:53PM +0200, Daniel Polak wrote: > > > > I allways get the message from bertest that there are no packets > > > received. > > > > Could these be related to a not fully compatible NIC? > > > > > > Even when you put some kind of loopback to the NIC? Maybe just the > Device > > > Under Test doesn't work at all. > > > > > > CL< > > > > -- > > > > > > -- > > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 24 06:57:38 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:57:38 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Multiple Transmitter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070924055738.GA32318@kestrel.barix.local> On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 08:25:06AM -0400, Eric Carson wrote: > I have been studying the commercial alternatives to RONJA, and > although they offer more range, higher speeds, and more features, I > really did not find anything that would offset the extreme price > attached to these units. However, I did notice one design feature > that could potentially be applied to RONJA. > > The use of multiple transmitters. I am not too sure how this would > affect the range of the system, a larger "objective" lens would be the > simplest solution to that particular problem, however in the use of > extremely tall buildings, which have the tendency to sway, or drift > around relative to each other, the small divergence of each > transmitter could be put to good use, over shorter distances, an > intentional "mis-focus" of the transmitter could be appropriate as > well. > > Your thoughts? You can use multiple transmitters to improve the range. If you calculate range of your link according to this page http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php Then the gains.pdf figures 10,11,12 are for single, dual, and triple transmitter. I think it came out something like 1.9 or 2.1km for a triple transmitter. CL< > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 24 06:58:10 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:58:10 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Multiple Transmitter? In-Reply-To: <46F66F9E.9060107@kbx.cz> References: <46F66F9E.9060107@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <20070924055810.GB32318@kestrel.barix.local> On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 03:52:30PM +0200, Jakub Sykora wrote: > This is called Ronja dual head and the range is increasing about 40%. I > think the transmitting heads are connected in paralel. Yes and the one where the cable doesn't end has to have the terminator resistor removed. CL< > > K > > Eric Carson wrote: > > I have been studying the commercial alternatives to RONJA, and > > although they offer more range, higher speeds, and more features, I > > really did not find anything that would offset the extreme price > > attached to these units. However, I did notice one design feature > > that could potentially be applied to RONJA. > > > > The use of multiple transmitters. I am not too sure how this would > > affect the range of the system, a larger "objective" lens would be the > > simplest solution to that particular problem, however in the use of > > extremely tall buildings, which have the tendency to sway, or drift > > around relative to each other, the small divergence of each > > transmitter could be put to good use, over shorter distances, an > > intentional "mis-focus" of the transmitter could be appropriate as > > well. > > > > Your thoughts? > > > > -- > Jakub S?kora > email: kubajz at kbx.cz <') > ICQ: 68976632 ( =- > mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 24 10:08:47 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:08:47 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Not only Ronja suffers from sun on the axis Message-ID: <20070924090847.GA4278@kestrel.barix.local> Today I went with a bus and on one bus stop one door wouldn't close, it was ringing all the time as if someone stood in the door. So the driver came, turned the emergency open cock and closed the door manually. Then he explained that the optical sensor in the door was confused by a beam of sunlight. On the next stop the door functioned normally. I guess the problem was that the sun accidentally was in a position where direct sunlight could fall on the detector which is hidden somewhere in a gap and saturated it so it couldn't receive the AC optical signal from the transmitter on the other side of the door. This happens with Ronja time to time if the sun get very close to the optical axis. It's something like Stonehenge, it indicates the time of year. CL< From hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com Thu Sep 27 20:12:50 2007 From: hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com (Saad Shakeel) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ronja] query about schematics Message-ID: <426398.36604.qm@web44902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> hi there every one!! Just couldn't wait to mail on this list! I've been looking at your Ronja project and i think that it is absolutely amazing.... And the good news is that i've also been able to convince my professor to allow me to build one as part of my final year project!! This would be the first project of an optical link in our country (Pakistan) made by students.. Now the thing is that while going through the schematics at http://ronja.twibright.com/ i came across a few things i didn't understand... There are circuits, given by the name of HERTZ, AUI FORTE, SNIFFER, PSYCHELECTRIC, etc.... what do these do? Because from what i understand, all that the system consists of a RX,TX, and data interface (Twister)!! Of all the models given on your site, which one would be easier to build in terms of finding parts, testing,etc And finally can you tell me in advance, the part that is usually the hardest to find so that i may start searching for it well in advance. Many thanks in advance for your responses. --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070927/fe0228aa/attachment.html From asteri_x at freemail.hu Thu Sep 27 22:36:35 2007 From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (=?UTF-8?B?R3l1cmvDsyBNYXJ0aW4=?=) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:36:35 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] query about schematics In-Reply-To: <426398.36604.qm@web44902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <426398.36604.qm@web44902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46FC2263.40908@freemail.hu> Hi to Pakistan! In my oppinion start with the photodiode and the transmitting LED bye Martin Saad Shakeel wrote: > hi there every one!! > Just couldn't wait to mail on this list! I've been looking at your > Ronja project and i think that it is absolutely amazing.... > And the good news is that i've also been able to convince my professor > to allow me to build one as part of my final year project!! > This would be the first project of an optical link in our country > (Pakistan) made by students.. > Now the thing is that while going through the schematics at > http://ronja.twibright.com/ i came across a few things i didn't > understand... > There are circuits, given by the name of HERTZ, AUI > FORTE, SNIFFER, PSYCHELECTRIC, etc.... what do these do? Because from > what i understand, all that the system consists of a RX,TX, and data > interface (Twister)!! > Of all the models given on your site, which one would > be easier to build in terms of finding parts, testing,etc > And finally can you tell me in advance, the part that > is usually the hardest to find so that i may start searching for it > well in advance. > Many thanks in advance for your responses. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out > > the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 28 09:25:14 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:25:14 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] query about schematics In-Reply-To: <426398.36604.qm@web44902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <426398.36604.qm@web44902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070928082514.GA13302@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 12:12:50PM -0700, Saad Shakeel wrote: > hi there every one!! Just couldn't wait to mail on this list! I've been > looking at your Ronja project and i think that it is absolutely amazing.... > And the good news is that i've also been able to convince my professor to > allow me to build one as part of my final year project!! This would be the > first project of an optical link in our country (Pakistan) made by students.. > Now the thing is that while going through the schematics at > http://ronja.twibright.com/ i came across a few things i didn't > understand... There are circuits, given by the name of HERTZ, AUI FORTE, Description here: http://ronja.twibright.com/hertz/ http://ronja.twibright.com/aui_forte/ > SNIFFER, PSYCHELECTRIC, etc.... what do these do? Because Sniffer is an optical "frontend" for an oscilloscope. Psychelectric is some unfinished fun circuit that shows strips on VGA monitor. > from what i understand, all that the system consists of a > RX,TX, and data interface (Twister)!! > Of all the models given on your site, which one would be > easier to build in terms of finding parts, testing,etc And > finally can you tell me in advance, the part that is > usually the hardest to find so that i may start searching The lens, the transmitter diode (HPWT-BD00-F4000) > for it well in advance. Many thanks in advance for your > responses. > > > --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at > Yahoo! Autos. -- Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Sep 28 11:02:03 2007 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:02:03 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] ronja hertz Message-ID: <200709281202.03553.ladmanj@volny.cz> Sorry for the Czech language, but it is not important for other mailing list readers, so i am lazy to write it in English. ?au Kadle :-) Cht?l jsem se zeptat na takovej detail, co jsem te? objevil, po tom co se ten Pakist?nskej student ptal na co je Hertz. J? nikdy Hertz nepot?eboval, proto?e jsem si ud?lal vlastn? gener?tor z cpld?ka a ten v?stupn? frekvence p?ep?n? s?m periodicky, ale unik? mi pro? jsi pou?il dv?ma p?ep?na?i ovl?danej multiplexer, kdy? t?mi p?ep?na?i (oba jsou dvojit? a sta?il by pouze jeden z nich dvojit?) se ty ?ty?i sign?ly daj? p?ep?nat norm?ln? mechanicky bez multiplexeru. Co t? k tomu vedlo? Jakub From hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com Sun Sep 30 08:18:26 2007 From: hybrid.parameter at yahoo.com (Saad Shakeel) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ronja] query about schematics In-Reply-To: <20070928082514.GA13302@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <392193.99619.qm@web44905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thank you very much Gyorko, Karel and Jakub for your responses... reallly appreciate it ! So it seems that LEDs will be the hardest to secure.... how about i use a laser instead?? and i still can't understand the use of AUI forte?? will i still need it if i use the Twister 2 design? similarly the three colored LEDs, red, yellow and green are for status only right and not for transmitter? what color are we to use for transmission? and about those retro reflectors... what are they?? how do they assist in aiming? are there any other guides to building a ronja other than the site?? i've downloaded the PDFs on the site aswell, but not much technical info.. sorry if my questions seem a bit childish.. and by the way about Jakubs message, i tried translating it, heres what i got.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ??au Shape : ) Cht??l jsem to ask within takovej splinter , while jsem te?? started , about tom while to the Pakist??nskej student asked whereupon them Hertz. J?? never Hertz nepot??eboval , accordingly jsem si ud??lal country gener??tor out of cpld??ka plus the v??stupn?­ frequency p??ep?­n?? s??m periodicky , however absconds me pro?? are pou??il dv??ma p??ep?­na??i ovl??danej multiplex kdy?? t??mi p??ep?­na??i ( either are two plus sta??il by solely one of nich two ) to you ??ty??i sign??ly daj?­ p??ep?­nat norm??ln?? mechanicky without multiplex. While t?? hereto vedlo? James ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks all. --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070930/09181c9c/attachment.html From kubajz at kbx.cz Sun Sep 30 10:53:03 2007 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:53:03 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] query about schematics In-Reply-To: <392193.99619.qm@web44905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <392193.99619.qm@web44905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46FF71FF.4020901@kbx.cz> Hi, Saad Shakeel wrote: > Thank you very much Gyorko, Karel and Jakub for your responses... > reallly appreciate it ! > > So it seems that LEDs will be the hardest to secure.... how about i use > a laser instead?? and i still can't understand the use of AUI forte?? Laser diode is not a part of the design, because it is not eye-safe. AUI forte and Twister2 are principally the same - converting ethernet to signal for Rx and Tx. AUI forte is older design for AUI connector equipped cards. Twister2 is designed for RJ45. > will i still need it if i use the Twister 2 design? > similarly the three colored LEDs, red, yellow and green are for status Yes, these only signalize status. Twister is usually placed indoors as it is not suitable to run outdoors. > only right and not for transmitter? what color are we to use for > transmission? The transmitting LED is super bright RED led in case of metropolis and tetrapolis and infra red light diode in case of inferno. > and about those retro reflectors... what are they?? how do they assist > in aiming? This was just a technically impressive thing Karel has seen at some exhibition. Nothing more. > are there any other guides to building a ronja other than the site?? No. The only source are the web pages. > i've downloaded the PDFs on the site aswell, but not much technical info.. > sorry if my questions seem a bit childish.. > and by the way about Jakubs message, i tried translating it, heres what > i got.. The translators of easy languages (such as English) are ususally of poor quality. Czech language is moch more complicated and nearly cannot be auto translated (not speaking about verbal form of the language - this is really impossible). > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ??au Shape : ) Cht??l jsem to ask within takovej splinter , while jsem > te?? started , about tom while to the Pakist??nskej student asked > whereupon them Hertz. J?? never Hertz nepot??eboval , accordingly jsem > si ud??lal country gener??tor out of cpld??ka plus the v??stupn?? > frequency p??ep??n?? s??m periodicky , however absconds me pro?? are > pou??il dv??ma p??ep??na??i ovl??danej multiplex kdy?? t??mi > p??ep??na??i ( either are two plus sta??il by solely one of nich two ) > to you ??ty??i sign??ly daj?? p??ep??nat norm??ln?? mechanicky without > multiplex. While t?? hereto vedlo? James > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks all. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Catch up on fall's hot new shows > > on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! > -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Sep 30 18:08:25 2007 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:08:25 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] query about schematics In-Reply-To: <392193.99619.qm@web44905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <392193.99619.qm@web44905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200709301908.25844.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne Sunday 30 September 2007 09:18:26 Saad Shakeel napsal(a): > Thank you very much Gyorko, Karel and Jakub for your responses... reallly > appreciate it ! > > So it seems that LEDs will be the hardest to secure.... how about i use a > laser instead?? and i still can't understand the use of AUI forte?? will i > still need it if i use the Twister 2 design? similarly the three colored > LEDs, red, yellow and green are for status only right and not for > transmitter? what color are we to use for transmission? and about those > retro reflectors... what are they?? how do they assist in aiming? are there > any other guides to building a ronja other than the site?? i've downloaded > the PDFs on the site aswell, but not much technical info.. sorry if my > questions seem a bit childish.. > and by the way about Jakubs message, i tried translating it, heres what i > got.. I promise that you do not need to know what i wrote here before. It was question to Karel, why he does something in hertz schematic complicated if there is other, much simpler way, to do it. You may look into schematic and maybe you'll find that quickly :-) Jakub Ladman > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------ ??au Shape : ) Cht??l jsem to ask within takovej splinter , > while jsem te?? started , about tom while to the Pakist??nskej student > asked whereupon them Hertz. J?? never Hertz nepot??eboval , accordingly > jsem si ud??lal country gener??tor out of cpld??ka plus the v??stupn?­ > frequency p??ep?­n?? s??m periodicky , however absconds me pro?? are > pou??il dv??ma p??ep?­na??i ovl??danej multiplex kdy?? t??mi > p??ep?­na??i ( either are two plus sta??il by solely one of nich two ) > to you ??ty??i sign??ly daj?­ p??ep?­nat norm??ln?? mechanicky > without multiplex. While t?? hereto vedlo? James > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- > > Thanks all. > > > > --------------------------------- > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get > listings, and more! From clock at twibright.com Sun Sep 30 19:48:56 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:48:56 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] ronja hertz In-Reply-To: <200709281202.03553.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200709281202.03553.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20070930184856.GA8450@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 12:02:03PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Sorry for the Czech language, but it is not important for other mailing list > readers, so i am lazy to write it in English. > > ?au Kadle :-) > > Cht?l jsem se zeptat na takovej detail, co jsem te? objevil, po tom co se ten > Pakist?nskej student ptal na co je Hertz. > J? nikdy Hertz nepot?eboval, proto?e jsem si ud?lal vlastn? gener?tor z > cpld?ka a ten v?stupn? frekvence p?ep?n? s?m periodicky, ale unik? mi pro? > jsi pou?il dv?ma p?ep?na?i ovl?danej multiplexer, kdy? t?mi p?ep?na?i (oba > jsou dvojit? a sta?il by pouze jeden z nich dvojit?) se ty ?ty?i sign?ly daj? > p?ep?nat norm?ln? mechanicky bez multiplexeru. > Co t? k tomu vedlo? Mas pravdu, da se to zoptimalizovat. Co me k tomu vedlo nevim. CL< > > Jakub > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja