From clock at twibright.com Mon May 1 20:04:20 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:04:20 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] For Quintus Murray Message-ID: <20060501190420.GA32221@kestrel.barix.local> Hey Quintus if you want to help Ronja, then please try to figure out how to organize the building instructions in a way that the user has to do as little organization and planning himself as possible, and that it works no matter whether he builds just one module, or the whole Ronja. Basically for each manufacturing operation, this has to be carried out for all modules at onces. Plus the tool lists and material lists have to be augmented. And some scheduling has to be done because some operations have dead times (e. g. painting - you paint and then wait for 4 hours, then you paint again etc.). CL< From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Tue May 2 07:53:05 2006 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 08:53:05 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 36, Issue 33 Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EBC330E4@vestex01.vest.corp> Next month :-) -- Kosac When will you build and realese a 100mbps or at least 10 to 16Mbps ronja with some CPU that supports wifi 802.11G or when 2007 is here an 802.11N version??? From clock at twibright.com Tue May 2 10:04:42 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:04:42 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 36, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EBC330E4@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EBC330E4@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20060502090442.GC15609@kestrel.barix.local> Quintus Murray wrote: > When will you build and realese a 100mbps or at least 10 to 16Mbps ronja When I finish fixing existing bugs. I want Ronja to be "satisfying project" according to the following formal definition. The theory of satisfying products and projects ============================================== "I can't get no, I can't get no, I can't get no satisfaction, no satisfaction, no satisfaction, no satisfaction." Rolling Stones, (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction In today's world, there is a large number of free software applications. The free software development model has a potential of producing high quality software with high quality documentation that would make the user able to fully exploit in a straightforward manner it's all promised features. Such a software would be a very powerful tool for the user that would bring him a great level of satisfaction. However, sadly, the real situation is far from the theoretical potential. Everyone wants to be satisfied by the things he is using. Who wouldn't. But there are only few projects whose goal is to satisfiy it's user, and most other projects just pretend this, according to the law of "90% of everything is crap". It's natural that the user wants to select those products that will satisfy him, but if he goes only according to what these projects say, it will not work, because all projects say they are the good ones. If he goes by what his friends say, this will not work either, because what works properly in one situation, may completely fail in another. Therefore we propose a simple formal system how to discriminate projects, whose true goal is to satisfy the user, from the rest. We will supply an easily verifiable definition of a "satisfying project". Then the only thing that is need to be known publicly about a project is, whether it is satisfying or not. Such information is much easier for the user to check than large amount of often conflicting users' testimonials. It's also easy to comply with our definition for the projects whose true goal is to satisfy the user. Definitions ----------- product - a physical object, design of physical object, software or other information entity that is published project - a systematic product development effort, usually performed by a team, Satisfying product ------------------ A satisfying product has the following information (typically documents) available for the user: - requirements - features - usage instructions It must be clear to everyone what exactly are the requirements, what exactly are the features and what exactly are the usage instructions. Note: this specially means that it's not possible to have more versions of any of these documents published without being apparent which one is the official one. It's also not allowed to have any of these documents missing. It also means that it must be clear what is part of each of the document and what is an external information that is not. If the user meets conditions that he reasonably believes are meant by the requirements published, and if for each step in the instructions he performs actions that he reasonably believes are meant by that step in the instructions, then, independently on other circumstances, he must always perceive the behaviour of the product to satisfy what he reasonably believes is meant by the published features. Note: the word "believes" is used to guard the user against ambiguities in requirements, features, or usage instructions. It can happen that the developer meant something else than the user understands. It's the developer's responsibility to ensure that such confusing situation doesn't happen. Note: the word "reasonably" is to guard against user's unreasonable belief. Reasonably means that according to common consensus, it's not generally obvious that his belief is wrong. A reasonable belief is for example that if a program says it supports HTML, that it will support CSS. Unreasonable belief is that if a program says it supports JPEG, that it will support PNG. Dissatisfying product --------------------- If a product is not satisfying, we call it dissatisfying product. We colloquially shorthand this as "crap", too. Note: it specially means: for a product to be dissatisfying, a single incident showing that the product is not satisfying is enough. Bug --- Bug is a particular thing that causes the product to be dissatisfying. This term is only for practical purposes of developer communication and doesn't have any actual importance in this theory Bugreport --------- Bugreport is a report that proves beyond reasonable doubt that the product is dissatisfying. Satisfying project ------------------ It's a project whose goal is to produce a satisfying product. If the project leadership consistently demonstrates intention to produce satisfying product, then we call this project to be satisfying. Dissatisfying prpoject ---------------------- It's a project that is not satisfying. Note: this particularly means that if unwillingness to fix bugs is publicly proven by anyone (typically someone whose bugreport was not taken into account), the project is not satisfying. Importance of satisfying projects --------------------------------- Satisfying projects are very important for the users. First, the probability of troubles is minimized for the user, because the goal of the project is a satisfying product, whose very definition is based on delivering the promised satisfaction to the user. Second, it's not possible that a bug causes the user a trouble and then fixing the bug is arbitrarily delayed. Therefore if the users gets a trouble, he always gets satisfaction by the fact that by having this trouble he contributed to the effort towards a satisfying product, and therefore towards eliminating other people's trouble. Why were the requirements chosen -------------------------------- Clarity which document is the official - if this is not met, the user can pick up obsolete document and get resulting troubles and waste potentially long time because of this confusion Missing features - the user doesn't know what to expect from the product and therefore is unable to plan into the future with this product Missing requirements - the user carries out the instructions properly but it still doesn't work because he didn't know that he had to fulfill some requirement first. Because of this, he wastes potentially a lot of time resolving the issue. Missing usage instructions - the user cannot use the device in a straightforward way. He has to experiment, in a trial and error way, which usually wastes a lot of time. Clarity what belongs into the document - the user is not sure what belongs into which document or not. He either has to bother the developer with support request (costs significant time for both user and developer), or take a risk. If he takes a risk, the result can be that it doesn't work, meaning potentially a lot of time spent by the user resolvingn the issue Meeting the requirements ------------------------ It's not difficult to have a goal of meeting these requirements. First the developer writes these documents in a good faith. Then he publishes them and if a users send bugreports then, he fills in the a missing information or changes ambiguous wording. It's not difficult to have a goal of keeping the technical design itself in a good state either. It basically means slowing down, relaxing and keeping a database of bugs with priorities. Taking one bug after other and resolving them. Not being afraid of ripping parts of the design out and redoing them again because of a bug caused by their bad initial design. And working on new features only when the bug database is empty. Implications for user's satisfaction ------------------------------------ Choosing one's project to be developed in a dissatisfying way is a decision that means consciously allowing a frustration of the users that is potentially unlimited. This should be realized by the users when choosing between a dissatisfying and satisfying project. And this should be realized by developers whose true (not only proclaimed) goal is to help other people with their development. Conclusion ========== We suggest here for projects who strive to truly satisfy their users, to comply with the definition of satisfying project, because then users will be able to easily indentify them as a project that has user's happiness as a true goal. We believe this simple formal system has a potential of ending frustration of users who would like to enjoy the high quality software available, but are unable to, because they are cannot determine which one it is. We also believe this can make developers whose just vaguely felt what their true goal is, to realize their true goal in its full importance, and subsequently make the user experience more pleasing. > with some CPU that supports wifi 802.11G or when 2007 is here an 802.11N > version??? > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From asteri_x at freemail.hu Tue May 2 17:09:15 2006 From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (Martin) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 18:09:15 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Sprachen In-Reply-To: <20060430130953.GD8711@kestrel> References: <44549E25.1090103@freemail.hu> <20060430120053.GA28005@hansmi.ch> <20060430130953.GD8711@kestrel> Message-ID: <4457842B.50104@freemail.hu> >> >>Do h?scht R?cht. Abr vilicht gsescht jetzt s?lber, dasdi nid alli L??t >>verschtond. Dodevo abseh chaschd jo nied emol du dini eigni Sproch! Da Davon abgesehen hast ja nicht einmal du deine eigene Sprache >>haist d?det dass! Da hast du dann das. Naja. Desch kann i a. Ma ka so manchs vo da Ausserferner da lerna. :) Lechtoierisch isch it Tirolerisch. S verzetzt mi, da? dia mi da in dr Listn alber so fuxn mittern Sproachn. So, wiea I nachts nachts its verstandn hoan vo de Tschechn, so koans dia jetz a goan mitn Lechtoier Dialekt. Und wenns willscht, ka i a Ungarisch mit di redn. Desch is a noch schener Sproachn. Gaudi basoat: Warum hast du was gegen das gute alte Hochdeutsch? Ich bin daf?r, das man mit jemanden Hochdeutsch redet, der dies kann. Und sag mir nicht, das die Schweizer das nicht in der Schule lernen. (oder wenigstens gelehrt werden.) Es ist ein Jammer, das Leute, die eine Bischen gemeinsame Sprache haben, Englisch sprechen m?ssen, um sich zu verst?ndigen. Aber wenn es wirklich f?r das Projekt hier n?tzlicher ist, dann bin ich auch f?r Englisch. Bye, Martin From asteri_x at freemail.hu Wed May 3 07:34:16 2006 From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (Martin) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:34:16 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] nahrada vysilaci led luxeonem? In-Reply-To: References: <140.1619-15850-1966193405-1143551774@seznam.cz> <442B8542.2050805@freemail.hu> <442B8D8F.7020906@kbx.cz> <442BAE68.9060908@freemail.hu> <20060330152218.GA17176@kestrel.barix.local> <20060430170243.GA9261@kestrel> Message-ID: <44584EE8.20000@freemail.hu> > > We are all trained/used to working with stiff voltage sources and > decoupling caps, and we hardly ever stop to think about its dual, the > current source / inductor. I designed a variation of this circuit for > work, where I had to feed a pulse laser with 30Amp pulses with 1ns > rise/fall times. It took me a while to switch my brain from voltage > to current, too. All the laser drivers have for their bias current generation a constant current source with inductor. In fact the inductor there is only for filtering away the modulation current from the current source, so it can provide a stable, non swinging current. (yes you're right, it is like a capacitor for constant voltage sources, where the load current is changing.) > > To be continued, > > JDB. > [the inductor really helps with turn-on time reduction; the entire > system works similar to a step-up voltage converter. On the board I > did for work I saw the voltage on the inductor-laser node swinging > from 0 to 500V in less than one nanosecond !] That sounds great, but is it not a little bit too much voltage? I think this 500V is shortening the lifetime of the diode. Ok. it is only a few ns-s, but it may burn small holes in the pn-junction :) Bye, Martin From clock at twibright.com Wed May 3 09:30:13 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:30:13 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Olimex not suitable for Ronja boards Message-ID: <20060503083013.GB20875@kestrel.barix.local> It's good to know that it doesn't make sense to try to make Ronja boards at Olimex, because according to this e-mail, Olimex is not able to process Gerber RS274-X generated by the PCB program. The Gerber RS274-X command they cannot process is "IPNEG". CL< ----- Forwarded message from Chris Emerson ----- Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:49:55 +0100 From: Chris Emerson To: geda-user at seul.org Subject: gEDA-user: Composite/negative layers in gerbers User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Hi, My board house[1] has complained about my gerbers having "negative plots" and "composite layers". I understand that pcb does this in some cases. [...] [1] Olimex ----- End forwarded message ----- From jdb at lartmaker.nl Wed May 3 17:57:20 2006 From: jdb at lartmaker.nl (J.D. Bakker) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:57:20 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Olimex not suitable for Ronja boards In-Reply-To: <20060503083013.GB20875@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060503083013.GB20875@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: >It's good to know that it doesn't make sense to try to make Ronja boards >at Olimex, because according to this e-mail, Olimex is not able to >process Gerber RS274-X generated by the PCB program. The Gerber RS274-X >command they cannot process is "IPNEG". Is this really a matter of 'cannot process', or were they just complaining about it ? A friend of mine did some boards through Olimex from Gerbers which I believe had IPNEGs in them. Oh well, I'll soon use Olimex for some proto work so I guess I'll find out. JDB [who has noted that board houses often complain about things they can handle -- IME, this often happens with features that may turn out differently than the users intended, and they do it to Cover Their Asses. I have had to write a Gerber->Gerber parser for our regular board house too keep them quiet] -- LART. 250 MIPS under one Watt. Free hardware design files. http://www.lartmaker.nl/ From clock at twibright.com Wed May 3 18:53:57 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:53:57 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Olimex not suitable for Ronja boards In-Reply-To: References: <20060503083013.GB20875@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <20060503175357.GA27884@kestrel.barix.local> On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 06:57:20PM +0200, J.D. Bakker wrote: > >It's good to know that it doesn't make sense to try to make Ronja boards > >at Olimex, because according to this e-mail, Olimex is not able to > >process Gerber RS274-X generated by the PCB program. The Gerber RS274-X > >command they cannot process is "IPNEG". > > Is this really a matter of 'cannot process', or were they just > complaining about it ? A friend of mine did some boards through > Olimex from Gerbers which I believe had IPNEGs in them. Sory, it was not IPNEG but LPC. I don't know if they reject it. I thought that if they complain, they cannot handle, but according to what you say below, it's not true. CL< > > Oh well, I'll soon use Olimex for some proto work so I guess I'll find out. > > JDB > [who has noted that board houses often complain about things they can > handle -- IME, this often happens with features that may turn out > differently than the users intended, and they do it to Cover Their > Asses. I have had to write a Gerber->Gerber parser for our regular > board house too keep them quiet] > -- > LART. 250 MIPS under one Watt. Free hardware design files. > http://www.lartmaker.nl/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jdb at lartmaker.nl Wed May 3 20:25:22 2006 From: jdb at lartmaker.nl (J.D. Bakker) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:25:22 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja RX with color filter ? Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone ever tried to use a color filter on the receive end of a Ronja ? It should help during the day (since the shot noise decreases). I have this crazy plan of using either a RGB hi-power LED (if the chips are close enough together for the optical head) or three separate TX tubes for red, green and blue, and three filtered RX tubes for hi-speed communication. Graceful degradation can be achieved by distributing less bits to green and blue in foggy conditions. JDB [but first the 10Mb Luxeon driver, and then the 100Mb system, and then we'll see] -- Jan-Derk Bakker, jdb at lartmaker.nl The lazy man's proverb: 'There's no business like slow business !' From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Wed May 3 20:29:06 2006 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:29:06 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] State of Aisha ? In-Reply-To: <20060430170832.GC9261@kestrel> References: <20060430170832.GC9261@kestrel> Message-ID: <20060503192906.GA23657@amphibian.dyndns.org> What is being worked on? Trinitrack? If *no* work is being done then I suggest that unassigned donations should probably be returned to their originators... On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 07:08:32PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 07:19:30PM +0200, J.D. Bakker wrote: > > Hi, > > > > What's the state of Ronja Aisha ? One of the first things I'd like to > > It's not being worked on currently. > > > do with my current-mode driver is to try it on a 1W Luxeon (later 3W, > > money allowing), since a 10Mbps Luxeon driver would be useful for > > people Right Now (and not only when all other modules are finished, > > like with the 100Mb plans). > > > > If it's (almost) finished then I won't have to bother with my driver, > > if it isn't then it would be useful to know what the major > > outstanding problems are/were. > > Virtually nothing done. > > CL< > > > > Thanks > > > > JDB. -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060503/3b96233f/attachment.bin From clock at twibright.com Thu May 4 11:08:03 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:08:03 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] State of Aisha ? In-Reply-To: <20060503192906.GA23657@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <20060430170832.GC9261@kestrel> <20060503192906.GA23657@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060504100803.GB25754@kestrel.barix.local> On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 08:29:06PM +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > What is being worked on? Trinitrack? If *no* work is being done then I > suggest that unassigned donations should probably be returned to their > originators... I am currently working on bugfixes. Then I complete the Trinitrack which really doesn't require much anymore - I think designing the metal case and writing the guide. Both airwire and PCB prototypes are completed, the airwire is working properly and I don't remember if the PCB one is working but I think that probably yes. CL< > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 07:08:32PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 07:19:30PM +0200, J.D. Bakker wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > What's the state of Ronja Aisha ? One of the first things I'd like to > > > > It's not being worked on currently. > > > > > do with my current-mode driver is to try it on a 1W Luxeon (later 3W, > > > money allowing), since a 10Mbps Luxeon driver would be useful for > > > people Right Now (and not only when all other modules are finished, > > > like with the 100Mb plans). > > > > > > If it's (almost) finished then I won't have to bother with my driver, > > > if it isn't then it would be useful to know what the major > > > outstanding problems are/were. > > > > Virtually nothing done. > > > > CL< > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > JDB. > -- > Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From lucasvo at gmx.ch Thu May 4 12:55:20 2006 From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:55:20 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] State of Aisha ? In-Reply-To: <20060503192906.GA23657@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <20060430170832.GC9261@kestrel> <20060503192906.GA23657@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4459EBA8.5070709@gmx.ch> Matthew Toseland wrote: > What is being worked on? Trinitrack? If *no* work is being done then I > suggest that unassigned donations should probably be returned to their > originators... > > Why return them? You don't get money back from WWF if they don't use it, do you? It's not that you get anything back for your donations. Btw, look at the Ronja SVN, there is a lot going on. lucas > On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 07:08:32PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 07:19:30PM +0200, J.D. Bakker wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> What's the state of Ronja Aisha ? One of the first things I'd like to >>> >> It's not being worked on currently. >> >> >>> do with my current-mode driver is to try it on a 1W Luxeon (later 3W, >>> money allowing), since a 10Mbps Luxeon driver would be useful for >>> people Right Now (and not only when all other modules are finished, >>> like with the 100Mb plans). >>> >>> If it's (almost) finished then I won't have to bother with my driver, >>> if it isn't then it would be useful to know what the major >>> outstanding problems are/were. >>> >> Virtually nothing done. >> >> CL< >> >>> Thanks >>> >>> JDB. >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> From clock at twibright.com Thu May 4 16:59:31 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:59:31 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] State of Aisha ? In-Reply-To: <4459EBA8.5070709@gmx.ch> References: <20060430170832.GC9261@kestrel> <20060503192906.GA23657@amphibian.dyndns.org> <4459EBA8.5070709@gmx.ch> Message-ID: <20060504155931.GA31726@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 01:55:20PM +0200, Lucas Vogelsang wrote: > Matthew Toseland wrote: > > What is being worked on? Trinitrack? If *no* work is being done then I > > suggest that unassigned donations should probably be returned to their > > originators... > > > > > Why return them? You don't get money back from WWF if they don't use it, > do you? > > It's not that you get anything back for your donations. > > Btw, look at the Ronja SVN, there is a lot going on. Specially the Twister2 http://ronja.twibright.com/twister2/pcb.php CL< > > lucas > > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 07:08:32PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 07:19:30PM +0200, J.D. Bakker wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> What's the state of Ronja Aisha ? One of the first things I'd like to > >>> > >> It's not being worked on currently. > >> > >> > >>> do with my current-mode driver is to try it on a 1W Luxeon (later 3W, > >>> money allowing), since a 10Mbps Luxeon driver would be useful for > >>> people Right Now (and not only when all other modules are finished, > >>> like with the 100Mb plans). > >>> > >>> If it's (almost) finished then I won't have to bother with my driver, > >>> if it isn't then it would be useful to know what the major > >>> outstanding problems are/were. > >>> > >> Virtually nothing done. > >> > >> CL< > >> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> JDB. > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Ronja mailing list > >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Thu May 4 17:11:19 2006 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:11:19 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] State of Aisha ? In-Reply-To: <20060504100803.GB25754@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060430170832.GC9261@kestrel> <20060503192906.GA23657@amphibian.dyndns.org> <20060504100803.GB25754@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <20060504161118.GA9825@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:08:03PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 08:29:06PM +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > What is being worked on? Trinitrack? If *no* work is being done then I > > suggest that unassigned donations should probably be returned to their > > originators... > > I am currently working on bugfixes. Then I complete the Trinitrack which > really doesn't require much anymore - I think designing the metal case > and writing the guide. Both airwire and PCB prototypes are completed, > the airwire is working properly and I don't remember if the PCB one is > working but I think that probably yes. Ok, cool. Looking forward to Fogtown in particular, but Trinitrack is definitely useful (and bugfixes are always good). -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060504/f13abaad/attachment.bin From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Thu May 4 17:14:04 2006 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:14:04 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] State of Aisha ? In-Reply-To: <20060504155931.GA31726@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060430170832.GC9261@kestrel> <20060503192906.GA23657@amphibian.dyndns.org> <4459EBA8.5070709@gmx.ch> <20060504155931.GA31726@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <20060504161404.GB9825@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 05:59:31PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 01:55:20PM +0200, Lucas Vogelsang wrote: > > Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > What is being worked on? Trinitrack? If *no* work is being done then I > > > suggest that unassigned donations should probably be returned to their > > > originators... > > > > > Btw, look at the Ronja SVN, there is a lot going on. > > Specially the Twister2 http://ronja.twibright.com/twister2/pcb.php Aha. This is the result of the bugfixes you were talking about? > > CL< -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060504/f1574804/attachment.bin From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Thu May 4 17:16:44 2006 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:16:44 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] State of Aisha ? In-Reply-To: <4459EBA8.5070709@gmx.ch> References: <20060430170832.GC9261@kestrel> <20060503192906.GA23657@amphibian.dyndns.org> <4459EBA8.5070709@gmx.ch> Message-ID: <20060504161644.GC9825@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 01:55:20PM +0200, Lucas Vogelsang wrote: > Matthew Toseland wrote: > > What is being worked on? Trinitrack? If *no* work is being done then I > > suggest that unassigned donations should probably be returned to their > > originators... > > > Why return them? You don't get money back from WWF if they don't use it, > do you? WWF, in theory at least, are legally bound to spend all the money you give them (eventually). That's why such orgs have a reserves policy and so on. Of course WWF is the size of a small country, whereas most of the work around here is done by clock. > > It's not that you get anything back for your donations. I get better Ronja and Ronja-related tools, hopefully, according to the donations page. Apologies that I haven't built one yet, we're still looking for a venue for a workshop. > > lucas -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060504/5982c933/attachment.bin From clock at twibright.com Thu May 4 17:41:55 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:41:55 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] State of Aisha ? In-Reply-To: <20060504161404.GB9825@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <20060430170832.GC9261@kestrel> <20060503192906.GA23657@amphibian.dyndns.org> <4459EBA8.5070709@gmx.ch> <20060504155931.GA31726@kestrel.barix.local> <20060504161404.GB9825@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060504164155.GA32371@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 05:14:04PM +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 05:59:31PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 01:55:20PM +0200, Lucas Vogelsang wrote: > > > Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > > What is being worked on? Trinitrack? If *no* work is being done then I > > > > suggest that unassigned donations should probably be returned to their > > > > originators... > > > > > > > Btw, look at the Ronja SVN, there is a lot going on. > > > > Specially the Twister2 http://ronja.twibright.com/twister2/pcb.php > > Aha. This is the result of the bugfixes you were talking about? Yes a tiny bug triggered a complete redesign. That's how it should be on the other projects, too. CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu May 4 17:46:25 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:46:25 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] State of Aisha ? In-Reply-To: <20060504161644.GC9825@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <20060430170832.GC9261@kestrel> <20060503192906.GA23657@amphibian.dyndns.org> <4459EBA8.5070709@gmx.ch> <20060504161644.GC9825@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060504164625.GC32371@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 05:16:44PM +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > Apologies that I haven't built one yet, we're still looking for a venue > for a workshop. You can do it at home. And you don't have to apologize for this, especially when you sent money ;-) CL< From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Thu May 4 18:30:31 2006 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060504173031.196.qmail@web53401.mail.yahoo.com> so will it be possible to use the ronja to transmit broadcasted everchangeing gps data to a satellite terminal so I can make a stationary BGAN terminal able to be used while I move by transmiting the changeing GPS data to the BGAN terminal via a ronja optical data link???? --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060504/f914d922/attachment.html From clock at twibright.com Thu May 4 20:01:38 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:01:38 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <20060504173031.196.qmail@web53401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060504173031.196.qmail@web53401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060504190138.GA7289@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:30:31AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > > so will it be possible to use the ronja to transmit broadcasted Ronja can be used to transmit any data, no matter from what source they come. It cannot be used with one or both end mobile yet, though. CL< > everchangeing gps data to a satellite terminal so I can make a > stationary BGAN terminal able to be used while I move by transmiting > the changeing GPS data to the BGAN terminal via a ronja optical data > link???? > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zapadlo at melzer.cz Fri May 5 14:18:30 2006 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:18:30 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronjametr, nove umisteni stranek Message-ID: <200605051518.30706.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Zdravim prestehoval jsem vyrobni dokumentaci o ronjametru na nizeuvedeny web http://wiki.pvfree.net/index.php/Ronjametr#Ronjametr Diky S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 588 500134 mailto: zapadlo at melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat May 6 20:16:21 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:16:21 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronjametr, nove umisteni stranek In-Reply-To: <200605051518.30706.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200605051518.30706.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <200605062116.1457@centrum.cz> Petre, pozadam te o jedno, prekopej kodovani cestiny. Mam W98se a text se nezobrazi korektne ani pri jednom kodovani.? Ne vsichni maji Linux. Mam jen IE6. Diky za vsechny noLinux compatible :)) Martin ______________________________________________________________ > Od: zapadlo na melzer.cz > Komu: ronja na lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: 05.05.2006 15:19 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Ronjametr, nove umisteni stranek > > Zdravim > > prestehoval jsem vyrobni dokumentaci o ronjametru na nizeuvedeny web > > http://wiki.pvfree.net/index.php/Ronjametr#Ronjametr > > Diky > > S pozdravem > -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 588 500134 > mailto: zapadlo na melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060506/60826c80/attachment.html From clock at twibright.com Sat May 6 22:36:46 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 23:36:46 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronjametr, nove umisteni stranek In-Reply-To: <200605062116.1457@centrum.cz> References: <200605051518.30706.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200605062116.1457@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20060506213646.GA19813@kestrel> On Sat, May 06, 2006 at 09:16:21PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Petre, pozadam te o jedno, prekopej kodovani cestiny. Mam W98se a > text se nezobrazi korektne ani pri jednom kodovani.? Ne vsichni maji > Linux. Mam jen IE6. To nijak nesouvisi s Linuxem. Me (Links 2.1pre22) ten server posle UTF-8 coz je rozumne - zadne vadne chovani serveru jsem neregistroval. Pust si Ethereal a podivej se co IE6 posle za request a co dostane za odpoved. Podivej se co IE6 advertisuje za kodovani v HTTP hlavicce a pak do RFC od HTTP jestli ta odpoved je OK. Jestli ne, rekni co je blbe, jestli jo, tak je to problem IE6. CL< > Diky za vsechny noLinux compatible :)) > Martin > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: zapadlo at melzer.cz > > Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net > > CC: > > Datum: 05.05.2006 15:19 > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Ronjametr, nove umisteni stranek > > > > Zdravim > > > > prestehoval jsem vyrobni dokumentaci o ronjametru na nizeuvedeny web > > > > http://wiki.pvfree.net/index.php/Ronjametr#Ronjametr > > > > Diky > > > > S pozdravem > > -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > > tel: 588 500134 > > mailto: zapadlo at melzer.cz > > http://www.melzer.cz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jojo at matfyz.cz Sun May 7 11:20:37 2006 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 12:20:37 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronjametr, nove umisteni stranek In-Reply-To: <200605062116.1457@centrum.cz> References: <200605051518.30706.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200605062116.1457@centrum.cz> <20060507101558.GA63242@icom.icomvision.com> Message-ID: <20060507102037.GA63348@icom.icomvision.com> On 2006-05-06 21:16 +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > prestehoval jsem vyrobni dokumentaci o ronjametru na nizeuvedeny web > > > > http://wiki.pvfree.net/index.php/Ronjametr#Ronjametr > > Petre, pozadam te o jedno, prekopej kodovani cestiny. > > Mam W98se a text se nezobrazi korektne ani pri jednom kodovani. Ne vsichni maji > Linux. Mam jen IE6. Win2000 & IE 6.0.2800.1106 Win2000 & Firefox 1.5.0.3 Na oboch ziadne problemy s kodovanim. > Diky za vsechny noLinux compatible :)) Som nevedel, ze existuje noLinux compatible... myslel som, ze je len noWindows compatible :-) Majo -- Najd?te v?dy aktu?ln? MAPY ?R ve va?em mobilu a pou??vejte je ZDARMA! Aplikace ocen?na 1. m?stem v sout??i Best Mobile Solution 2005. Dal?? podrobnosti na http://mapy.mobilfiesta.cz From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun May 7 14:14:50 2006 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:14:50 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronjametr, nove umisteni stranek References: <200605051518.30706.zapadlo@melzer.cz><200605062116.1457@centrum.cz><20060507101558.GA63242@icom.icomvision.com> <20060507102037.GA63348@icom.icomvision.com> Message-ID: <002501c671d8$38f20ea0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> WinME a IE6, Opera a Firefox. V?e je ok. Rys m? n?co blb? u sebe :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian Cerny" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronjametr, nove umisteni stranek > On 2006-05-06 21:16 +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > prestehoval jsem vyrobni dokumentaci o ronjametru na nizeuvedeny web > > > > > > http://wiki.pvfree.net/index.php/Ronjametr#Ronjametr > > > > Petre, pozadam te o jedno, prekopej kodovani cestiny. > > > > Mam W98se a text se nezobrazi korektne ani pri jednom kodovani. Ne vsichni maji > > Linux. Mam jen IE6. > > Win2000 & IE 6.0.2800.1106 > Win2000 & Firefox 1.5.0.3 > > Na oboch ziadne problemy s kodovanim. > > > Diky za vsechny noLinux compatible :)) > > Som nevedel, ze existuje noLinux compatible... myslel som, ze je len > noWindows compatible :-) > > Majo > > -- > Najd?te v?dy aktu?ln? MAPY ?R ve va?em mobilu a pou??vejte je ZDARMA! > Aplikace ocen?na 1. m?stem v sout??i Best Mobile Solution 2005. > Dal?? podrobnosti na http://mapy.mobilfiesta.cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sun May 7 15:17:53 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 16:17:53 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronjametr, nove umisteni stranek In-Reply-To: <002501c671d8$38f20ea0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <20060507102037.GA63348@icom.icomvision.com> <002501c671d8$38f20ea0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20060507141753.GB28100@kestrel> On Sun, May 07, 2006 at 03:14:50PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > WinME a IE6, Opera a Firefox. > > > V?e je ok. > Rys m? n?co blb? u sebe :-) Tomu nev???m - je to tvrzen? bez d?kazu. Ale nem? smysl, kdy? mi n?co nechod? hned ??ct "upravte pros?m web tak aby mi to chodilo". D?l? se to tak, ?e se zjist?, jestli ten web nevyhovuje n??emu co o sob? hl?s? (v tomhle p??pad? o sob? implicitn? hl?s? ?e je HTTP compliant) a pokud ano, nareportuje se to. Ten prvn? p??stup m? vadu, ?e 2 lidi m??ou m?t na ten web rozporn? po?adavky a pak to nelze uspokojit. Ten druhej p??stup tuhle vadu nem?, proto?e ten web m??e o sob? hl?sat jen jedno. CL< > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marian Cerny" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronjametr, nove umisteni stranek > > > > On 2006-05-06 21:16 +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > prestehoval jsem vyrobni dokumentaci o ronjametru na nizeuvedeny web > > > > > > > > http://wiki.pvfree.net/index.php/Ronjametr#Ronjametr > > > > > > Petre, pozadam te o jedno, prekopej kodovani cestiny. > > > > > > Mam W98se a text se nezobrazi korektne ani pri jednom kodovani. Ne > vsichni maji > > > Linux. Mam jen IE6. > > > > Win2000 & IE 6.0.2800.1106 > > Win2000 & Firefox 1.5.0.3 > > > > Na oboch ziadne problemy s kodovanim. > > > > > Diky za vsechny noLinux compatible :)) > > > > Som nevedel, ze existuje noLinux compatible... myslel som, ze je len > > noWindows compatible :-) > > > > Majo > > > > -- > > Najd?te v?dy aktu?ln? MAPY ?R ve va?em mobilu a pou??vejte je ZDARMA! > > Aplikace ocen?na 1. m?stem v sout??i Best Mobile Solution 2005. > > Dal?? podrobnosti na http://mapy.mobilfiesta.cz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jbohac at jikos.cz Thu May 11 00:00:22 2006 From: jbohac at jikos.cz (Jirka Bohac) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:00:22 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] welded ronja prototype, new link Message-ID: <20060510230022.GA6205@twin.jikos.cz> Hi all, after a long time of very passive building, we finished another Ronja link. It links the "Bakulak" and "AVP Spojka" nodes in Prague's CZFree.Net It uses standard Twister + airwire RX/TX electronics and very non-standard mechanics. It's made of thick metal pipes and welding and lathing were used in the process. I put comments and pictures of the mechanics at http://www.jikos.cz/~jbohac/welded_ronja/ in hope that someone may find them useful. Clock: feel free to use any of the pictures in the gallery. Eventually, I'll make some pictures from the installation on the other side as well... # ping -fq -s 1400 10.15.129.6 PING 10.15.129.6 (10.15.129.6) 1400(1428) bytes of data. --- 10.15.129.6 ping statistics --- 22033583 packets transmitted, 22033500 received, 0% packet loss, time 63967918ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.000/2.796/42.304/0.375 ms, pipe 4, ipg/ewma 2.903/2.890 ms ;-))) Regards, Jirka From clock at twibright.com Thu May 11 11:19:07 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:19:07 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] welded ronja prototype, new link In-Reply-To: <20060510230022.GA6205@twin.jikos.cz> References: <20060510230022.GA6205@twin.jikos.cz> Message-ID: <20060511101907.GA11335@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 01:00:22AM +0200, Jirka Bohac wrote: > Hi all, > > after a long time of very passive building, we finished another Ronja > link. It links the "Bakulak" and "AVP Spojka" nodes in Prague's > CZFree.Net > > It uses standard Twister + airwire RX/TX electronics and very > non-standard mechanics. It's made of thick metal pipes and welding and > lathing were used in the process. Hehe great fun :) To simplify the construction a bit we decided to make the thermal shield from concrete by dropping the pipe from an airplane at 10,000m on a concrete sidewalk. Here you can see the shield just after it's creation: http://www.jikos.cz/~jbohac/welded_ronja/11_el_holder_welding.jpg To make a sustainability teste we bought on E-bay a decomissioned Mark53 hydrogen bomb from USAF museum: http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/arm/arm31.jpg It made a nice mushroom. The barely visible dark structure in the background is Prague castle: http://www.ummo.cc/bomb.gif Here you can see the thermal shield after the hydrogen bomb test from 30m distance . The leading surface is a bit scorched. The thread bar is there to calibrate the sustained force, you can see how it bent. The forces bent the receiver a bit too, but it didn't stop working: http://www.jikos.cz/~jbohac/welded_ronja/14_rx.jpg One packet was lost at the explosion time due to RX overload by the atomic flash. Otherwise the test was without packetloss. This is Praha Smichov after our test: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a0/Hiroshima_aftermath.jpg You can see the interior oxidized and small drops of liquid metal caused by spraying of the steel from focused atomic blast light image: http://www.jikos.cz/~jbohac/welded_ronja/12_pipe_finished.jpg Now because the Ronja parts are still highly radioactive, we must handle them with a remote manipulator: http://www.jikos.cz/~jbohac/welded_ronja/02_pipe_cut.jpg CL< > > I put comments and pictures of the mechanics at > http://www.jikos.cz/~jbohac/welded_ronja/ > in hope that someone may find them useful. > > Clock: feel free to use any of the pictures in the gallery. Eventually, > I'll make some pictures from the installation on the other side as > well... > > # ping -fq -s 1400 10.15.129.6 > PING 10.15.129.6 (10.15.129.6) 1400(1428) bytes of data. > --- 10.15.129.6 ping statistics --- > 22033583 packets transmitted, 22033500 received, 0% packet loss, time 63967918ms > rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.000/2.796/42.304/0.375 ms, pipe 4, ipg/ewma 2.903/2.890 ms > > ;-))) > > > Regards, > > Jirka > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From goran.cvetkovski at gmail.com Thu May 11 12:33:28 2006 From: goran.cvetkovski at gmail.com (Goran Cvetkovski) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:33:28 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Buying Ronja! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4463210a.136830cc.0a50.ffff8e2d@mx.gmail.com> Hello to everyone! I would like to buy couple of ready made Ronja's, electronics only. If someone is interested in helping me out, please send me an mail. Thank you! Goran From clock at twibright.com Thu May 11 15:36:17 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:36:17 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] welded ronja prototype, new link In-Reply-To: <20060510230022.GA6205@twin.jikos.cz> References: <20060510230022.GA6205@twin.jikos.cz> Message-ID: <20060511143617.GA16442@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 01:00:22AM +0200, Jirka Bohac wrote: > Hi all, > > after a long time of very passive building, we finished another Ronja > link. It links the "Bakulak" and "AVP Spojka" nodes in Prague's > CZFree.Net > > It uses standard Twister + airwire RX/TX electronics and very > non-standard mechanics. It's made of thick metal pipes and welding and > lathing were used in the process. How did you accomodate for different lens diameters? CL< From jbohac at jikos.cz Thu May 11 15:51:56 2006 From: jbohac at jikos.cz (Jirka Bohac) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:51:56 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] welded ronja prototype, new link In-Reply-To: <20060511143617.GA16442@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060510230022.GA6205@twin.jikos.cz> <20060511143617.GA16442@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <20060511145156.GA26175@twin.jikos.cz> On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 04:36:17PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 01:00:22AM +0200, Jirka Bohac wrote: > > It uses standard Twister + airwire RX/TX electronics and very > > non-standard mechanics. It's made of thick metal pipes and welding and > > lathing were used in the process. > > How did you accomodate for different lens diameters? We bought all the lens at once, and their diameter seems to be almost the same. We first bought the lens and only after measuring them (diameter, focal length) we planned the pipes and lathing. j. From bobriks at volny.cz Thu May 11 20:29:01 2006 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:29:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ronja] welded ronja prototype, new link In-Reply-To: <20060510230022.GA6205@twin.jikos.cz> References: <20060510230022.GA6205@twin.jikos.cz> Message-ID: Hi Jirka, great congratulations to your success! What is a length of the new link? Standa ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Jirka Bohac" Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net P?edm?t: [Ronja] welded ronja prototype, new link Datum: 11.5.2006 - 1:01:22 > Hi all, > > after a long time of very passive building, we finished another > Ronja > link. It links the "Bakulak" and "AVP Spojka" nodes in Prague's > CZFree.Net > > It uses standard Twister + airwire RX/TX electronics and very > non-standard mechanics. It's made of thick metal pipes and > welding and > lathing were used in the process. > > I put comments and pictures of the mechanics at > http://www.jikos.cz/~jbohac/welded_ronja/ > in hope that someone may find them useful. > > Clock: feel free to use any of the pictures in the gallery. > Eventually, > I'll make some pictures from the installation on the other side > as > well... > > # ping -fq -s 1400 10.15.129.6 > PING 10.15.129.6 (10.15.129.6) 1400(1428) bytes of data. > --- 10.15.129.6 ping statistics --- > 22033583 packets transmitted, 22033500 received, 0% packet > loss, time 63967918ms > rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.000/2.796/42.304/0.375 ms, pipe 4, > ipg/ewma 2.903/2.890 ms > > ;-))) > > > Regards, > > Jirka > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Zapomente na puch asfaltu - prvni in-line brusle do prirody! Powerslide Nordic Trainer + brzda zdarma! http://www.sportobchod.cz/brusle-powerslide-nordic-trainer.htm From ales at mur.at Fri May 12 08:30:28 2006 From: ales at mur.at (Ales Zemene) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:30:28 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping Message-ID: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> ahoj, pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx 20cm od sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx ledka na twisteru, ale packetloss je 100%. v obou pc jsou karty nastaveny na full duplex autonegotiation off. v jednom pc mam 3c985C, a tam ta ledka blika dost nepravidelne, a za chvili to cely spadne. bertest neukaze vubec nic. ronjaping jsem nenasel. co mam jeste zkusit ? Ales Zemene -- ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor ** ICQ : 298387338 ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060512/7fe03b08/attachment.bin From zapadlo at melzer.cz Fri May 12 08:55:25 2006 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:55:25 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200605120955.26535.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne p? 12. kv?tna 2006 09:30 Ales Zemene napsal(a): > ahoj, > Napodobne > pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx > 20cm od sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx Mate nekde chybu :-) Zacal bych tim, ze dam od sebe moduly na cca 1m. Na 20cm muzou byt totalne zahlusene. Zmerte RSSI, idealne pro testy by se melo cca 1 - 2V Vic uz muze byt Rx prebuzeny. > ledka na twisteru, ale packetloss je 100%. v obou pc jsou karty nastaveny > na full duplex autonegotiation off. v jednom pc mam 3c985C, a tam ta ledka > blika dost nepravidelne, a za chvili to cely spadne. bertest neukaze vubec > nic. ronjaping jsem nenasel. co mam jeste zkusit ? > Evidente vam nefunguje linka, takze trapit se s mericimi programy je zbytecne. Bohate si vystacite s klasickym pingem. Predpokladam ze test pouze twistru proti sobe vam chodil. Je to tak? S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 588 500134 mailto: zapadlo at melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Fri May 12 10:38:31 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:38:31 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060512093831.GA19986@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 09:30:28AM +0200, Ales Zemene wrote: > ahoj, > > pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx 20cm od > sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx ledka na > twisteru, ale packetloss je 100%. v obou pc jsou karty nastaveny na full > duplex autonegotiation off. v jednom pc mam 3c985C, a tam ta ledka blika dost nepravidelne, > a za chvili to cely spadne. bertest neukaze vubec nic. ronjaping jsem > nenasel. co mam jeste zkusit ? Podle kteryho URL to delas? CL< > > Ales Zemene > -- > ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor > ** ICQ : 298387338 > ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jbohac at jikos.cz Fri May 12 11:07:53 2006 From: jbohac at jikos.cz (Jirka Bohac) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:07:53 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] welded ronja prototype, new link In-Reply-To: References: <20060510230022.GA6205@twin.jikos.cz> Message-ID: <20060512100753.GA9950@twin.jikos.cz> > What is a length of the new link? Only 418m. The F4000 from the other side glares so much, that I can see a blurry red circle on my house during the night :-) j. From ales at mur.at Fri May 12 11:31:17 2006 From: ales at mur.at (Ales Zemene) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:31:17 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <200605120955.26535.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <200605120955.26535.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20060512103117.GB8905@localhost.localdomain> ahoj, >>> citation of from Fri, May 12, 2006 at 09:55:25AM +0200, Petr Zapadlo : > Dne p? 12. kv?tna 2006 09:30 Ales Zemene napsal(a): > > pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx > > 20cm od sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx > > Mate nekde chybu :-) > Zacal bych tim, ze dam od sebe moduly na cca 1m. Na 20cm muzou byt totalne > zahlusene. zkousel jsem ruzne vzdalenosti > > Evidente vam nefunguje linka, takze trapit se s mericimi programy je zbytecne. > Bohate si vystacite s klasickym pingem. pokud spustim pktloss na jednom pc, tak tcpdump ukazuje spravne MAC adresy + hromady dalsich udaju na druhem pc. > Predpokladam ze test pouze twistru proti sobe vam chodil. > Je to tak? komplet elektronika je uz otestovana ale na switch. prehodil jsem jumpery a zkousim to na 2 pc. zatim diky Ales Zemene -- ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor ** ICQ : 298387338 ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 588 500134 mailto: zapadlo at melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Sat May 13 15:10:42 2006 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060513141042.64016.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com> I've found out that iridium has realeased direct internet 2.0 a software that lets you connect to the internet via an iridium satellite phone. However this software's API is open so you will be able to combine the ronja's open-source code and integrate this code with the open API of iridium's software will this mean that I will be able to integrate the the iridium software useing it's open API to be ported to the ronja so that I will be able to use the iridium software to connect to the satellite modem for an internet connection while useing the ronja and it's software to enhance the internet connection to 10Mbps to 100Mbps if a 100Mbps ronja comes out that is. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060513/4e1069f4/attachment.html From kubajz at kbx.cz Sat May 13 15:27:49 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 16:27:49 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <20060513141042.64016.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060513141042.64016.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4465ECE5.3010305@kbx.cz> Ronja now, as it is does not use ANY software. It is hardware only tool. How would you like to implement the software inside ronja? It is as foolish as if you wanted to implement that software inside common light BULB in your room. K Quintus Murray napsal(a): > > I've found out that iridium has realeased direct internet 2.0 a software > that lets you connect to the internet via an iridium satellite phone. > However this software's API is open so you will be able to combine > the ronja's open-source code and integrate this code with the open API > of iridium's software will this mean that I will be able to integrate > the the iridium software useing it's open API to be ported to the ronja > so that I will be able to use the iridium software to connect to the > satellite modem for an internet connection while useing the ronja and > it's software to enhance the internet connection to 10Mbps to 100Mbps if > a 100Mbps ronja comes out that is. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone > . > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: kubajz.vcf Typ: text/x-vcard Velikost: 265 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060513/afcc7fc7/attachment.vcf From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Sun May 14 20:48:46 2006 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 12:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060514194846.275.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> So if I use an iridium satellite phone to connect to the internet at 10Kbps and then I connect it to a ronja then use that ronja to communicate with another ronja like transfer the internet connection from one ronja to the other will my 10Kbps internet connection become 10Mbps if I use the ronja to connect to the internet??? Is it possible to configure the ronja to enhance the uplink speed of an internet connection to 10Mbps at least???? --------------------------------- Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060514/7fbdadfa/attachment.html From kubajz at kbx.cz Sun May 14 22:16:56 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 23:16:56 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <20060514194846.275.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060514194846.275.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44679E48.3020000@kbx.cz> Ronja only transmits data at 10Mbps. Imagine ronja to be a 1000 inch tube and IRIDIUM a 1 tube. Data from Internet flow from the 1inch tube at constant speed so they cant utilize potential bandwidth of 1000 inch tube. The thing you want is to fullfil very big tube with a very small stream of water - this is impossible - if it was - people in Las Vegas would be happy... K Quintus Murray napsal(a): > So if I use an iridium satellite phone to connect to the internet at > 10Kbps and then I connect it to a ronja then use that ronja to > communicate with another ronja like transfer the internet connection > from one ronja to the other will my 10Kbps internet connection become > 10Mbps if I use the ronja to connect to the internet??? > > Is it possible to configure the ronja to enhance the uplink speed of an > internet connection to 10Mbps at least???? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! > FareChase > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: kubajz.vcf Typ: text/x-vcard Velikost: 265 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060514/3fc8511a/attachment.vcf From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon May 15 14:02:03 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:02:03 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200605151502.21814@centrum.cz> Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x na GPL reseni. Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg -=RYS=- ______________________________________________________________ > Od: ales na mur.at > Komu: ronja na lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: 12.05.2006 09:34 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping > > ahoj, > > pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx > 20cm od > sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx ledka na > twisteru, ale packetloss je 100%. v obou pc jsou karty nastaveny na full > duplex autonegotiation off. v jednom pc mam 3c985C, a tam ta ledka blika > dost nepravidelne, > a za chvili to cely spadne. bertest neukaze vubec nic. ronjaping jsem > nenasel. co mam jeste zkusit ? > > Ales Zemene > -- > ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor > ** ICQ : 298387338 > ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060515/c2b85aaa/attachment.html From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon May 15 14:11:09 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:11:09 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <20060514194846.275.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060514194846.275.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200605151511.23520@centrum.cz> Teda nevim jak zmineny clovicek, ale co jsem ja zkousel, tak Motorola 9500 se sluzebni Iridium SIM mi fachala leda tak 4k8, nikoliv 9k6 (10kbps). Instalak byl jen pod Win, ale kdyz se dalo sdileni netu, tak samozrejme se to distribuovalo dal pres Ethernet. Ping okolo 1100ms vsak pri teto rychlosti nebyl to orechove. Dival jsem se na prospekt Kyocera Iridium vlozky do GSM founu, tak uz umela 9k6, alespon podel prospektu. Takze distribuovat rekneme 4k8 po 10Mbps siti by nemel byt problem. Nevim cim tenhle clovicek premejsli. -=RYS=- ______________________________________________________________ > Od: quintusmurray na yahoo.com > Komu: ronja na lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: 14.05.2006 21:49 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 11 > > So if I use an iridium satellite phone to connect to the internet at > 10Kbps and then I connect it to a ronja then use that ronja to communicate > with another ronja like transfer the internet connection from one ronja to > the other will my 10Kbps internet connection become 10Mbps if I use the > ronja to connect to the internet??? > > Is it possible to configure the ronja to enhance the uplink speed of an > internet connection to 10Mbps at least???? > > > --------------------------------- > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! > FareChase > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060515/2c2cacc8/attachment.html From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon May 15 14:28:24 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:28:24 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Oprava Message-ID: <200605151528.27090@centrum.cz> >Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x >na GPL reseni. >Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. >http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg >-=RYS=- oprava: http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg? (by Nokia 7610) http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/ping_TP-Zde.jpg http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg? (by Nokia 7610) -=RYS=- ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060515/188d65c9/attachment.html From clock at twibright.com Mon May 15 14:27:11 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:27:11 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] welded ronja prototype, new link In-Reply-To: <20060512100753.GA9950@twin.jikos.cz> References: <20060510230022.GA6205@twin.jikos.cz> <20060512100753.GA9950@twin.jikos.cz> Message-ID: <20060515132711.GB4326@kestrel> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 12:07:53PM +0200, Jirka Bohac wrote: > > What is a length of the new link? > > Only 418m. The F4000 from the other side glares so much, that I can see > a blurry red circle on my house during the night :-) And you have F4000 too? CL< From kendy at hkfree.org Mon May 15 14:37:28 2006 From: kendy at hkfree.org (kendy at hkfree.org) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:37:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ronja] Oprava In-Reply-To: <200605151528.27090@centrum.cz> References: <200605151528.27090@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1670.10.107.1.60.1147700248.squirrel@webmail.hkfree.org> >>Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x >>na GPL reseni. >>Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. >>http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg >>-=RYS=- > > oprava: Prvni a treti odkaz: The requested URL /all/SuperTP.jpg was not found on this server. > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/ping_TP-Zde.jpg > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > > -=RYS=- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon May 15 14:37:26 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:37:26 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060512100610.GA8905@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <20060512093831.GA19986@kestrel.barix.local> <20060512100610.GA8905@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060515133726.GA4458@kestrel> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 12:06:11PM +0200, Ales Zemene wrote: > neco sem nasel na http://wiki.twibright.com , neco na http://ronja.twibright.com, > ale sem uplnej zacatecnik. mam elektroniku postavenou od r. pelky, prej > to je odzkouseny, ale rad bych to jeste prezkousel nez to zacnu montovat > do trubek. OK dostal jsi me, takze presneji - podle ktereho URL jsi to delal a v jakem presne miste nastalo selhalni navodu? CL< > > >>> citation of from Fri, May 12, 2006 at 11:38:31AM +0200, Karel Kulhavy : > > On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 09:30:28AM +0200, Ales Zemene wrote: > > > ahoj, > > > > > > pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx 20cm od > > > sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx ledka na > > > twisteru, ale packetloss je 100%. v obou pc jsou karty nastaveny na full > > > duplex autonegotiation off. v jednom pc mam 3c985C, a tam ta ledka blika dost nepravidelne, > > > a za chvili to cely spadne. bertest neukaze vubec nic. ronjaping jsem > > > nenasel. co mam jeste zkusit ? > > > > Podle kteryho URL to delas? > > > > CL< > > > > > > Ales Zemene > > > -- > > > ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor > > > ** ICQ : 298387338 > > > ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > Ales Zemene > -- > ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor > ** ICQ : 298387338 > ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 From clock at twibright.com Mon May 15 14:41:16 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:41:16 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <20060513141042.64016.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060513141042.64016.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060515134116.GB4458@kestrel> On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 07:10:42AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > > I've found out that iridium has realeased direct internet 2.0 a > software that lets you connect to the internet via an iridium > satellite phone. However this software's API is open so you will be > able to combine the ronja's open-source code and integrate this code > with the open API of iridium's software will this mean that I will be > able to integrate the the iridium software useing it's open API to be > ported to the ronja so that I will be able to use the iridium software > to connect to the satellite modem for an internet connection while > useing the ronja and it's software to enhance the internet connection > to 10Mbps to 100Mbps if a 100Mbps ronja comes out that is. Could you please stop spamming this list with obviously nonsensical messages? These messages don't make sense and therefore are offtopic on this list. People do you finid Quintus' e-mails annoying? Quintus if people find your offtopic e-mails annoying then I will kick you out to prevent annoyance to all these people who are interested in Ronja and not information noise. CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon May 15 14:50:31 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:50:31 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <20060514194846.275.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060514194846.275.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060515135031.GA4561@kestrel> On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 12:48:46PM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > So if I use an iridium satellite phone to connect to the internet at > 10Kbps and then I connect it to a ronja then use that ronja to > communicate with another ronja like transfer the internet connection > from one ronja to the other will my 10Kbps internet connection become > 10Mbps if I use the ronja to connect to the internet??? > > Is it possible to configure the ronja to enhance the uplink speed of > an internet connection to 10Mbps at least???? No if you connect two data transmission devices in series then the resulting speed will be the smaller speed of the two. This is valid for any data transmision device. CL< From kubajz at kbx.cz Mon May 15 15:47:33 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:47:33 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <20060515134116.GB4458@kestrel> References: <20060513141042.64016.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com> <20060515134116.GB4458@kestrel> Message-ID: <44689485.7090204@kbx.cz> Definitely YES Emails are annoying for several reasons: 1. The dont make sense 2. Average 5 year old child understands basics of Ronja better then he 3. Every email comes with bad subject 4. Mesages are not related to Ronja but to other Commercially sold products (Nintendo NS, Iridium, Wifi MIMO...) 5. He asks questions about future designs of Ronja, which are not yet designed 6. He did not build or even see how Ronja Looks like Thanks for kicking him, K Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 07:10:42AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > >>I've found out that iridium has realeased direct internet 2.0 a >>software that lets you connect to the internet via an iridium >>satellite phone. However this software's API is open so you will be >>able to combine the ronja's open-source code and integrate this code >>with the open API of iridium's software will this mean that I will be >>able to integrate the the iridium software useing it's open API to be >>ported to the ronja so that I will be able to use the iridium software >>to connect to the satellite modem for an internet connection while >>useing the ronja and it's software to enhance the internet connection >>to 10Mbps to 100Mbps if a 100Mbps ronja comes out that is. > > > Could you please stop spamming this list with obviously nonsensical > messages? These messages don't make sense and therefore are offtopic > on this list. > > People do you finid Quintus' e-mails annoying? > > Quintus if people find your offtopic e-mails annoying then I will kick > you out to prevent annoyance to all these people who are interested in > Ronja and not information noise. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: kubajz.vcf Typ: text/x-vcard Velikost: 265 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060515/8939fd30/attachment.vcf From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon May 15 16:49:40 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:49:40 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Oprava In-Reply-To: <1670.10.107.1.60.1147700248.squirrel@webmail.hkfree.org> References: 200605151528.27090@centrum.cz> <200605151528.27090@centrum.cz> <1670.10.107.1.60.1147700248.squirrel@webmail.hkfree.org> Message-ID: <200605151749.16738@centrum.cz> To jsem z toho jelen, me to jde. A ted mi to potvrdil i kolega, jemu se to taky zobrazuje. Mame oba MSIE6. -=RYS=- http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg ______________________________________________________________ > Od: kendy na hkfree.org > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: 15.05.2006 15:38 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Oprava > > >>Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x > >>na GPL reseni. > >>Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. > >>http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg > >>-=RYS=- > > > > oprava: > > Prvni a treti odkaz: > The requested URL /all/SuperTP.jpg was not found on this server. > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/ping_TP-Zde.jpg > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060515/1b5ad718/attachment-0001.html From coolex at hkfree.org Mon May 15 18:05:00 2006 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool/Explosion) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:05:00 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Oprava In-Reply-To: <200605151749.16738@centrum.cz> References: 200605151528.27090@centrum.cz> <200605151528.27090@centrum.cz> <1670.10.107.1.60.1147700248.squirrel@webmail.hkfree.org> <200605151749.16738@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <4468B4BC.9040608@hkfree.org> Me to pod Firefoxem taky maka... -=RYS=- wrote: > To jsem z toho jelen, me to jde. > > A ted mi to potvrdil i kolega, jemu se to taky zobrazuje. > > Mame oba MSIE6. > > -=RYS=- > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: kendy na hkfree.org > > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > > CC: > > Datum: 15.05.2006 15:38 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Oprava > > > > >>Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj > autonegatio/autoMDI-x > > >>na GPL reseni. > > >>Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. > > >>http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg > > >>-=RYS=- > > > > > > oprava: > > > > Prvni a treti odkaz: > > The requested URL /all/SuperTP.jpg was not found on this server. > > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/ping_TP-Zde.jpg > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja na lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Mon May 15 18:34:10 2006 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> duhhh I know that I AM NOT STUPID!!!!!!!! That's why I used a special software called PERM it's an open-source application that is ported to anything that is open source plus it uses the available potential bandwidth of all the ronjas that are connected. So beacause it pools together all the available bandwidth of the 1inch and 1000 inch tubes so now I get the the combined speed of the iridium modem and ronjas that are connected via this software. Now before kicking me with alot of bullshit. PLEASE CALL 1-217-244-0527 to learn more about SELECT,WINE,AND PERM or visit the website of the PERM project at http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu/projects/perm/index.php#people or it's hompage for other projects when the site is updated at http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu now please think about available technologies you know about BEFORE REPLYING WITH BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now please learn about technology before replying with alot of shit!!!!!! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060515/dde00b6f/attachment.html From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon May 15 18:52:31 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:52:31 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Oprava In-Reply-To: <4468B4BC.9040608@hkfree.org> References: 00605151528.27090@centrum.cz> <200605151749.16738@centrum.cz> <4468B4BC.9040608@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <200605151952.9324@centrum.cz> Jeste jsem priletoval TP trafo ze stare 100Mbps sitovky. Chova se to jak ma, na tom starem modrem switchi jsem tu zelenou LED pri 10Mbps videl poprve. PC s rucne nastavenou sitovkou 10/FD mi tento switch neprepl a zustalo to viset v HD. Je to RTL 82 serie cipset...v tom switchi. http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_trafo.jpg http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_old_switch.jpg Pracuje to takhle: Kdyz je naproti novej switch s autoMDI/x, tak je jedno jestli se pouzije normal nebo cross kabel, vzdy se prepne na 10/FD (jen pri pouziti cross kabelu to trva az 1.5s nez se to slinkuje). Kdyz je naproti starej switch co nema autoMDI/x (typicky port 9 je crosovanej port cislo 8), tak se musi pouzit spravnej kabel jinak to nechodi. Takze u tohoto switche.. porty 1 az 8 ... normal kabel. U portu 9 ... cross kabel. Nadruhou stranu, se pri uziti stareho switche obe zarizeni slinkujou ihned a ne az za 1.5s . -=RYS=- ______________________________________________________________ > Od: coolex na hkfree.org > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: 15.05.2006 19:05 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Oprava > > Me to pod Firefoxem taky maka... > > -=RYS=- wrote: > > > To jsem z toho jelen, me to jde. > > > > A ted mi to potvrdil i kolega, jemu se to taky zobrazuje. > > > > Mame oba MSIE6. > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: kendy na hkfree.org > > > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > > > CC: > > > Datum: 15.05.2006 15:38 > > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Oprava > > > > > > >>Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj > > autonegatio/autoMDI-x > > > >>na GPL reseni. > > > >>Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. > > > >>http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg > > > >>-=RYS=- > > > > > > > > oprava: > > > > > > Prvni a treti odkaz: > > > The requested URL /all/SuperTP.jpg was not found on this server. > > > > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/ping_TP-Zde.jpg > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja na lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060515/2e3f3e86/attachment.html From kendy at hkfree.org Mon May 15 19:05:45 2006 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:05:45 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Oprava In-Reply-To: <200605151749.16738@centrum.cz> References: 200605151528.27090@centrum.cz> <200605151528.27090@centrum.cz> <1670.10.107.1.60.1147700248.squirrel@webmail.hkfree.org> <200605151749.16738@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <4468C2F9.80100@hkfree.org> Jo uz to ted jde, asi sem se trefil do doby kdy se jeste obrazky uploadovaly. Btw, to zarizeni co si nafotil je presne co ? Mela by to byt napodobenina twisteru s funkci autonego ? Pokud ano, psal si ze nebude pod GPL, planujes to za nejakou uplatu zverejnit ? -- Kendy HKfree -=RYS=- napsal(a): > To jsem z toho jelen, me to jde. > > A ted mi to potvrdil i kolega, jemu se to taky zobrazuje. > > Mame oba MSIE6. > > -=RYS=- > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: kendy na hkfree.org > > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > > CC: > > Datum: 15.05.2006 15:38 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Oprava > > > > >>Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x > > >>na GPL reseni. > > >>Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. > > >>http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg > > >>-=RYS=- > > > > > > oprava: > > > > Prvni a treti odkaz: > > The requested URL /all/SuperTP.jpg was not found on this server. > > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/ping_TP-Zde.jpg > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon May 15 19:21:20 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:21:20 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Oprava In-Reply-To: <4468C2F9.80100@hkfree.org> References: 00605151528.27090@centrum.cz> <200605151749.16738@centrum.cz> <4468C2F9.80100@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <200605152021.11190@centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: kendy na hkfree.org > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: 15.05.2006 20:06 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Oprava > > Jo uz to ted jde, asi sem se trefil do doby kdy se jeste obrazky > uploadovaly. > > Btw, to zarizeni co si nafotil je presne co ? Mela by to byt > napodobenina twisteru s funkci autonego ? Ano, je to neco jako twister s autonego. > Pokud ano, psal si ze nebude pod GPL, planujes to za nejakou uplatu > zverejnit ? To nezavisi na me. Prvni kdo prisel s TP interfacem, byl Highlander. Ten se na to po case vykaslal a predal to Ladovi Zuzjakovi, ten se na to po case taky vykaslal. Pote jsem to prevzal ja a dokopal k funkcnimu stavu rok pred twisterem. http://www.qsl.net/ok0bez/files/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Ronja_TP/ http://www.qsl.net/ok0bez/files/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Bucek_vrtacka/ Pote co jsem zjisitl, ze vsichni okolo chtej po me 100Mbps, tak jsem se na to vykaslal ve chvili, kdy jsem chtel pouzit Atmela. Nehlede na fakt, ze jsem byl od Karla "vyfuckovan" za pouziti CPU, ktere nesplnuje GPL. Tak jsem to predal dal i se "zdrojaky" a ten nekdo to dodelal. Ten nekdo je i tady na foru a dle poslednich msg to jako GPL nepusti. Plan mam dat to do SMD i s coCPU (RSSI) a prdnout to ven v teto podobe: http://www.elspeedy.eu/fotky_soubory/Zatec_link2_sideB_03.jpg Velka mechanika je na 1500m, mala na 350m. 10Mbps je v portfoliu taky, protoze low-cost. Ale narovinu, dnes me zajima uz jen 100/1000Mbps. -=RYS=- > > -- > Kendy HKfree ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060515/9c5ba0bd/attachment.html From arunk at speedpost.net Mon May 15 20:05:32 2006 From: arunk at speedpost.net (Arun Krishnan) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 00:35:32 +0530 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1147719932.6029.261482681@webmail.messagingengine.com> Umm, Clock? Please? Regards, Arun ----- Original message ----- From: "Quintus Murray" To: ronja at lists.pointless.net Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 duhhh I know that I AM NOT STUPID!!!!!!!! That's why I used a special software called PERM it's an open-source application that is ported to anything that is open source plus it uses the available potential bandwidth of all the ronjas that are connected. So beacause it pools together all the available bandwidth of the 1inch and 1000 inch tubes so now I get the the combined speed of the iridium modem and ronjas that are connected via this software. Now before kicking me with alot of bullshit. PLEASE CALL 1-217-244-0527 to learn more about SELECT,WINE,AND PERM or visit the website of the PERM project at http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu/projects/perm/index.php#people or it's hompage for other projects when the site is updated at http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu now please think about available technologies you know about BEFORE REPLYING WITH BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now please learn about technology before replying with alot of shit!!!!!! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. From litosaragon at gmail.com Mon May 15 21:48:21 2006 From: litosaragon at gmail.com (Litos) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:48:21 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] twister problem Message-ID: <004101c67860$e854e870$6401a8c0@PORTATILITOS> Hi! I built a twister interface but when i try to test it, the yellow led and tthe green one are on, but the red one is blinking (on-off-on-off....). 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URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060515/67a82b6a/attachment.html From ales at mur.at Tue May 16 07:14:27 2006 From: ales at mur.at (Ales Zemene) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:14:27 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060515133726.GA4458@kestrel> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <20060512093831.GA19986@kestrel.barix.local> <20060512100610.GA8905@localhost.localdomain> <20060515133726.GA4458@kestrel> Message-ID: <20060516061426.GA23061@localhost.localdomain> >>> citation of from Mon, May 15, 2006 at 03:37:26PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy : > > OK dostal jsi me, takze presneji - podle ktereho URL jsi to delal a v http://wiki.twibright.com/index.php/RonjaTest2NICsOrPCsOnLinuxEn > jakem presne miste nastalo selhalni navodu? zrejme selhal lidsky faktor, neco asi delam blbe, ale krome toho bych rad zkusil zkompilovat ronjaping : "For this test, I recomend to use RonjaPingHints .... " link http://ronja.twibright.com/datasheets/ronjaping-20040101.tgz Not Found Ales Zemene -- ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor ** ICQ : 298387338 ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060516/dd3c7200/attachment.bin From clock at twibright.com Tue May 16 07:20:19 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:20:19 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060516062019.GA26682@kestrel> So I unsubscribed Quintus. CL< On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 10:34:10AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > duhhh I know that I AM NOT STUPID!!!!!!!! That's why I used a special > software called PERM it's an open-source application that is ported to > anything that is open source plus it uses the available potential > bandwidth of all the ronjas that are connected. So beacause it pools > together all the available bandwidth of the 1inch and 1000 inch tubes > so now I get the the combined speed of the iridium modem and ronjas > that are connected via this software. Now before kicking me with alot > of bullshit. PLEASE CALL 1-217-244-0527 to learn more about > SELECT,WINE,AND PERM or visit the website of the PERM project at > http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu/projects/perm/index.php#people or it's > hompage for other projects when the site is updated at > http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu now please think about available technologies > you know about BEFORE REPLYING WITH BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now please > learn about technology before replying with alot of shit!!!!!! > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue May 16 09:48:02 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:48:02 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <446991C2.3020804@kbx.cz> PERM is ported only to linux and OpenWRT (which is busybox linux) Afaik... Clock, please, the sooner the better... K Quintus Murray napsal(a): > duhhh I know that I AM NOT STUPID!!!!!!!! That's why I used a special > software called PERM it's an open-source application that is ported to > anything that is open source plus it uses the available potential > bandwidth of all the ronjas that are connected. So beacause it pools > together all the available bandwidth of the 1inch and 1000 inch tubes so > now I get the the combined speed of the iridium modem and ronjas that > are connected via this software. Now before kicking me with alot of > bullshit. PLEASE CALL 1-217-244-0527 to learn more about SELECT,WINE,AND > PERM or visit the website of the PERM project at > http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu/projects/perm/index.php#people or it's hompage > for other projects when the site is updated at http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu > now please think about available technologies you know about BEFORE > REPLYING WITH BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now please learn about technology > before replying with alot of shit!!!!!! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls > > to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2??/min or less. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S??kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov??? p??????loha byla odstran???na... Jm???no: kubajz.vcf Typ: text/x-vcard Velikost: 274 bytes Popis: [??????dn??? popis nen??? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060516/30998aa7/attachment.vcf From clock at twibright.com Tue May 16 10:11:21 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:11:21 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Oprava In-Reply-To: <4468C2F9.80100@hkfree.org> References: <200605151528.27090@centrum.cz> <1670.10.107.1.60.1147700248.squirrel@webmail.hkfree.org> <200605151749.16738@centrum.cz> <4468C2F9.80100@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20060516091120.GA928@kestrel.barix.local> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 08:05:45PM +0200, Kendy wrote: > Jo uz to ted jde, asi sem se trefil do doby kdy se jeste obrazky > uploadovaly. > > Btw, to zarizeni co si nafotil je presne co ? Mela by to byt > napodobenina twisteru s funkci autonego ? > Pokud ano, psal si ze nebude pod GPL, planujes to za nejakou uplatu > zverejnit ? http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php Rules for the list 1. This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects other than Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post. CL< > > -- > Kendy HKfree > > -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > To jsem z toho jelen, me to jde. > > > > A ted mi to potvrdil i kolega, jemu se to taky zobrazuje. > > > > Mame oba MSIE6. > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: kendy at hkfree.org > > > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > > > CC: > > > Datum: 15.05.2006 15:38 > > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Oprava > > > > > > >>Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x > > > >>na GPL reseni. > > > >>Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. > > > >>http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg > > > >>-=RYS=- > > > > > > > > oprava: > > > > > > Prvni a treti odkaz: > > > The requested URL /all/SuperTP.jpg was not found on this server. > > > > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP-Zde.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/ping_TP-Zde.jpg > > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/SuperTP.jpg (by Nokia 7610) > > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue May 16 10:16:05 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:16:05 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Oprava In-Reply-To: <200605152021.11190@centrum.cz> References: <200605151749.16738@centrum.cz> <4468C2F9.80100@hkfree.org> <200605152021.11190@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20060516091605.GB928@kestrel.barix.local> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 08:21:20PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: kendy at hkfree.org > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > CC: > > Datum: 15.05.2006 20:06 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Oprava > > > > Jo uz to ted jde, asi sem se trefil do doby kdy se jeste obrazky > > uploadovaly. > > > > Btw, to zarizeni co si nafotil je presne co ? Mela by to byt > > napodobenina twisteru s funkci autonego ? > Ano, je to neco jako twister s autonego. > > > Pokud ano, psal si ze nebude pod GPL, planujes to za nejakou uplatu > > zverejnit ? > To nezavisi na me. It depends on you. You are the one who decides under what licence this is released. Untils it's released under GPL, it's offtopic on this mailinglist. You are free to setup your own website and mailing list for your proprietary licensed or unreleased product. People also don't discuss MS Windows on Linux kernel mailing list, although both are operating systems. > Prvni kdo prisel s TP interfacem, byl Highlander. > Ten se na to po case vykaslal a predal to Ladovi Zuzjakovi, ten > se na to po case taky vykaslal. > Pote jsem to prevzal ja a dokopal k funkcnimu stavu rok pred twisterem. > http://www.qsl.net/ok0bez/files/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Ronja_TP/ > http://www.qsl.net/ok0bez/files/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Bucek_vrtacka/ > Pote co jsem zjisitl, ze vsichni okolo chtej po me 100Mbps, tak > jsem se na to vykaslal ve chvili, kdy jsem chtel pouzit Atmela. > Nehlede na fakt, ze jsem byl od Karla "vyfuckovan" za pouziti CPU, ktere > nesplnuje GPL. Tak jsem to predal dal i se "zdrojaky" a ten nekdo "CPU that doesn't comply to GPL" is a nonsense. If there are no GPL development tools for the CPU, it's unlikely that it will be included into Ronja. However this doesn't prevent you from releasing the sources under GPL. The rule "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects other than Ronja that don'tt publish the sources at the moment of the post." doesn't say anything about development tools. However if your device is not released under GPL then it's offtopic on this list, regardless if anyone (including you) plan to release it under GPL in the future or not. CL< > to dodelal. Ten nekdo je i tady na foru a dle poslednich msg to jako GPL > nepusti. > Plan mam dat to do SMD i s coCPU (RSSI) a prdnout to ven v teto podobe: > http://www.elspeedy.eu/fotky_soubory/Zatec_link2_sideB_03.jpg > Velka mechanika je na 1500m, mala na 350m. > 10Mbps je v portfoliu taky, protoze low-cost. > Ale narovinu, dnes me zajima uz jen 100/1000Mbps. > -=RYS=- > > > > > -- > > Kendy HKfree > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue May 16 10:17:40 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:17:40 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] twister problem In-Reply-To: <004101c67860$e854e870$6401a8c0@PORTATILITOS> References: <004101c67860$e854e870$6401a8c0@PORTATILITOS> Message-ID: <20060516091740.GC928@kestrel.barix.local> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 10:48:21PM +0200, Litos wrote: > > Hi! > I built a twister interface but when i try to test it, the yellow led and tthe green one are on, but the red one is blinking (on-off-on-off....). There is nothing conected to the twister, only the dc source. > > I need help,what's happening???? The Twister is probably incorrectly wired. Check all parts if they are correct, correct orientation, check all joints and resolder those what are not neat. Some of them may be broken. Check thay you didn't use an unallowed replacement for some chip. CL< > > Regards > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue May 16 10:27:27 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:27:27 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060516061426.GA23061@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <20060512093831.GA19986@kestrel.barix.local> <20060512100610.GA8905@localhost.localdomain> <20060515133726.GA4458@kestrel> <20060516061426.GA23061@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060516092727.GD928@kestrel.barix.local> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:14:27AM +0200, Ales Zemene wrote: > >>> citation of from Mon, May 15, 2006 at 03:37:26PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy : > > > > OK dostal jsi me, takze presneji - podle ktereho URL jsi to delal a v > http://wiki.twibright.com/index.php/RonjaTest2NICsOrPCsOnLinuxEn > > > jakem presne miste nastalo selhalni navodu? > zrejme selhal lidsky faktor, neco asi delam blbe, ale krome toho bych > rad zkusil zkompilovat ronjaping : I don't see in the guide description how twisters PC's and cables should be set prior to running the software. It's an unofficial wiki guide that is however not good enough marked to be unofficial and you are a perfect example what happens if a user comes to a website organized like that - you think it's a guide that should work and it doesn't work for you. Do you feel frustrated by the fact that you want to test the Twister and you failed? Please try one of the official test procedures: http://ronja.twibright.com/testing I suggest the Wiki to be removed because: 1) The abovementioned problem with running into unofficial guide which can end in frustration 2) It was migrated from TWiki because TWiki often required security updates and got hacked anyway and disabled by the web administrator. Since that time noone found time to manually rewrite the content between the two partiaully uincompatible Wiki systems (TWiki and Mediawiki) so the content is in decrepit state 3) Mediawiki often gets attacked by spambots and the spam content is still there, scanning all the pages and removing the spam content manually is a considerable amount of work. Plus this lead me to disabling anonymous contributions so the Wiki is now burdened with bureaucracy of registration (I hate to register everywhere I go, what about you?) I think if someone is serious about contributing to Ronja, he can always find a way how to get the source, edit it and send it to me. If he isn't serious about contributing, he'll create a half-finished guide like this which will just lead the user into problems. And that's what I don't want, because Ronja is a Satisfying Product, as described on the title page. Do you think Wiki should be removed? CL< > > "For this test, I recomend to use RonjaPingHints .... " > link http://ronja.twibright.com/datasheets/ronjaping-20040101.tgz Not Found > > Ales Zemene > -- > ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor > ** ICQ : 298387338 > ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ales at mur.at Tue May 16 10:40:33 2006 From: ales at mur.at (Ales Zemene) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:40:33 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060516092727.GD928@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <20060512093831.GA19986@kestrel.barix.local> <20060512100610.GA8905@localhost.localdomain> <20060515133726.GA4458@kestrel> <20060516061426.GA23061@localhost.localdomain> <20060516092727.GD928@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <20060516094033.GC23061@localhost.localdomain> >>> citation of from Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:27:27AM +0200, Karel Kulhavy : > I don't see in the guide description how twisters PC's and cables should > be set prior to running the software. It's an unofficial wiki guide that > is however not good enough marked to be unofficial and you are a perfect > example what happens if a user comes to a website organized like that - > you think it's a guide that should work and it doesn't work for you. > > Do you feel frustrated by the fact that you want to test the Twister > and you failed? such experimental technologies are always a hard way from one problem to the next one, trials and errors, and if you are complete newbie like me, any hints are very cheerfull. although there could be allready very good howto guide for testing ronja devices, still - what is so far on wiki gives at least some ideas - thanks for that. > Please try one of the official test procedures: > http://ronja.twibright.com/testing > > I suggest the Wiki to be removed because: > 1) The abovementioned problem with running into unofficial guide which > can end in frustration > 2) It was migrated from TWiki because TWiki often required security > updates and got hacked anyway and disabled by the web administrator. > Since that time noone found time to manually rewrite the content between > the two partiaully uincompatible Wiki systems (TWiki and Mediawiki) so > the content is in decrepit state > 3) Mediawiki often gets attacked by spambots and the spam content is > still there, scanning all the pages and removing the spam content > manually is a considerable amount of work. Plus this lead me to > disabling anonymous contributions so the Wiki is now burdened with > bureaucracy of registration (I hate to register everywhere I go, > what about you?) sure ;) documentation is nearly as much work as whole developement no ? how about rebuilding a bit wiki structure of priorites, starting RDP (ronja documentation project) and calling for contributors who could get then admin priorities to edit contributed material ? > > I think if someone is serious about contributing to Ronja, he can always > find a way how to get the source, edit it and send it to me. > > If he isn't serious about contributing, he'll create a half-finished > guide like this which will just lead the user into problems. And that's > what I don't want, because Ronja is a Satisfying Product, as described > on the title page. > > Do you think Wiki should be removed? i would say rather replaced with better one, if there is somebody who has lots of energy to keep it updated. Ales Zemene -- ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor ** ICQ : 298387338 ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060516/af44f131/attachment-0001.bin From clock at twibright.com Tue May 16 10:45:25 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:45:25 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] twister problem In-Reply-To: <004101c67860$e854e870$6401a8c0@PORTATILITOS> References: <004101c67860$e854e870$6401a8c0@PORTATILITOS> Message-ID: <20060516094525.GA1143@kestrel.barix.local> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 10:48:21PM +0200, Litos wrote: > > Hi! > I built a twister interface but when i try to test it, the yellow led > and tthe green one are on, but the red one is blinking > (on-off-on-off....). There is nothing conected to the twister, only > the dc source. I had a twister which was not correctness checked. It was only transmitting but not receiving (green LED even didn't shine). I found there are 6 mistakes :) After correcting all of them the Twister started to work perfectly. CL< > > I need help,what's happening???? > > Regards > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue May 16 10:48:55 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:48:55 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060516061426.GA23061@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <20060512093831.GA19986@kestrel.barix.local> <20060512100610.GA8905@localhost.localdomain> <20060515133726.GA4458@kestrel> <20060516061426.GA23061@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060516094855.GB1143@kestrel.barix.local> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:14:27AM +0200, Ales Zemene wrote: > >>> citation of from Mon, May 15, 2006 at 03:37:26PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy : > > > > OK dostal jsi me, takze presneji - podle ktereho URL jsi to delal a v > http://wiki.twibright.com/index.php/RonjaTest2NICsOrPCsOnLinuxEn > > > jakem presne miste nastalo selhalni navodu? > zrejme selhal lidsky faktor, neco asi delam blbe, ale krome toho bych > rad zkusil zkompilovat ronjaping : > > "For this test, I recomend to use RonjaPingHints .... " > link http://ronja.twibright.com/datasheets/ronjaping-20040101.tgz Not Found The official page with Ronjaping is here: http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/ronjaping.php It should work as written. If not, then please report a bug for example by reply to this e-mail. CL< From ales at mur.at Tue May 16 11:02:05 2006 From: ales at mur.at (Ales Zemene) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:02:05 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] link to ronjaping broken In-Reply-To: <20060516094855.GB1143@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <20060512093831.GA19986@kestrel.barix.local> <20060512100610.GA8905@localhost.localdomain> <20060515133726.GA4458@kestrel> <20060516061426.GA23061@localhost.localdomain> <20060516094855.GB1143@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <20060516100204.GD23061@localhost.localdomain> >>> citation of from Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:48:55AM +0200, Karel Kulhavy : > The official page with Ronjaping is here: > http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/ronjaping.php > > It should work as written. If not, then please report a bug for example > by reply to this e-mail. > > CL< there is a link in Download section : http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/ronjaping which leads to : Forbidden You don't have permission to access /testing/ronjaping/ on this server Ales Zemene -- ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor ** ICQ : 298387338 ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060516/2cb8a59b/attachment.bin From seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue May 16 11:15:59 2006 From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:15:59 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu Message-ID: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Zdar, snazim se vymyslet nejaky blbovzdorny standard na propojeni ronja modulu eventualne spidera pomoci UTP/STP misto koaxu. Pozadavky jsou: 1) zadny draty mezi TX a RX 2) moznost pouzit stavajici RX stejne jako RX se symetrickym vystupem 2) melo by to prezit zapojeni do poe 3) musi prezit sitova karta kdyz se to do ni omylem zapoji 4) snadne pripojeni 2* TX na dualhead 5) konektor RJ45 nebo cannon na twisteru2 Navrh je takovy: 1 oranz/bl - vystup nebo vystup- 2 oranzovy - GND nebo vystup+ (na interfacu by mel byt propojka na GND) 3 zeleny/b - RSSI+ 4 modry - +12V 5 modry/bl - GND 6 zeleny - RSSI- (GND je pripojeno pouze v RX,kvuli eliminaci chyby zemni smycky) 8 hnedy - +12V 7 hnedy/bl - GND Stineni STP/FTP se pripoji pouze na strane interface. + na interfacu je el. pojistka na 0.25A na RX a 0,5A na TX (resp 2A na TX s luxeonem) Nejake navrhy? Petr From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue May 16 12:22:37 2006 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:22:37 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> 4, 5 a 7, 8 souhlas Jedine mozne nebezpeci je pri pripojeni na nejakou redukci z tlf., protoze na prostrednim paru (4, 5) je linkove napeti 60 V, na 7, 8 se obcas pripojuje fax. Jinak bych se primlouval k prohozeni polarity, tj. barva plus a bily (barevnobily) minus. Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne by se nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na luxeon bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > Zdar, > snazim se vymyslet nejaky blbovzdorny standard na propojeni ronja modulu > eventualne spidera pomoci UTP/STP misto koaxu. > Pozadavky jsou: > 1) zadny draty mezi TX a RX > 2) moznost pouzit stavajici RX stejne jako RX se symetrickym vystupem > 2) melo by to prezit zapojeni do poe > 3) musi prezit sitova karta kdyz se to do ni omylem zapoji > 4) snadne pripojeni 2* TX na dualhead > 5) konektor RJ45 nebo cannon na twisteru2 > > Navrh je takovy: > 1 oranz/bl - vystup nebo vystup- > 2 oranzovy - GND nebo vystup+ (na interfacu by mel byt propojka na GND) > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI+ > 4 modry - +12V > 5 modry/bl - GND > 6 zeleny - RSSI- (GND je pripojeno pouze v RX,kvuli eliminaci chyby zemni smycky) > 8 hnedy - +12V > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > > Stineni STP/FTP se pripoji pouze na strane interface. > > + na interfacu je el. pojistka na 0.25A na RX a 0,5A na TX (resp 2A na TX s > luxeonem) > > Nejake navrhy? > > Petr > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue May 16 12:55:21 2006 From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:55:21 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu In-Reply-To: <006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> Message-ID: <1147780521.4469bda97308c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Mas recht. Se me vloudila jeste chybicka: 1 oranz/bl - GND nebo vystup- 2 oranzovy - vystup nebo vystup+ 3 zeleny/b - RSSI- (GND) 4 modry - +12V 5 modry/bl - GND 6 zeleny - RSSI+ 7 hnedy/bl - GND 8 hnedy - +12V Ted je to snad uz spravne. S tim telefonem to snad nebude tak hrozne. Pouziva to vubec jeste nekdo? S tim luxeonem to taky neni hrozny, mam tam spinany menik a ten bere max 400mA. Ale pouzivam polymerni pojistky a ty je potreba dimenzovat aby to s nima nabehlo i v letnich vedrech. Spicka pri nabiti elytu nekdy pojistku ohreje a pak uz staci maly proud aby zustala rozepnuta. > 4, 5 a 7, 8 souhlas > Jedine mozne nebezpeci je pri pripojeni na nejakou redukci z tlf., protoze > na prostrednim paru (4, 5) je linkove napeti 60 V, na 7, 8 se obcas > pripojuje fax. > Jinak bych se primlouval k prohozeni polarity, tj. barva plus a bily > (barevnobily) minus. > Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne by > se > nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na > luxeon > bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Seliger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:15 PM > Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > > > Zdar, > > snazim se vymyslet nejaky blbovzdorny standard na propojeni ronja modulu > > eventualne spidera pomoci UTP/STP misto koaxu. > > Pozadavky jsou: > > 1) zadny draty mezi TX a RX > > 2) moznost pouzit stavajici RX stejne jako RX se symetrickym vystupem > > 2) melo by to prezit zapojeni do poe > > 3) musi prezit sitova karta kdyz se to do ni omylem zapoji > > 4) snadne pripojeni 2* TX na dualhead > > 5) konektor RJ45 nebo cannon na twisteru2 > > > > Navrh je takovy: > > 1 oranz/bl - vystup nebo vystup- > > 2 oranzovy - GND nebo vystup+ (na interfacu by mel byt propojka na > GND) > > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI+ > > 4 modry - +12V > > 5 modry/bl - GND > > 6 zeleny - RSSI- (GND je pripojeno pouze v RX,kvuli eliminaci chyby > zemni smycky) > > 8 hnedy - +12V > > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > > > > Stineni STP/FTP se pripoji pouze na strane interface. > > > > + na interfacu je el. pojistka na 0.25A na RX a 0,5A na TX (resp 2A na TX > s > > luxeonem) > > > > Nejake navrhy? > > > > Petr > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Tue May 16 14:24:26 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:24:26 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060516094033.GC23061@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <20060512093831.GA19986@kestrel.barix.local> <20060512100610.GA8905@localhost.localdomain> <20060515133726.GA4458@kestrel> <20060516061426.GA23061@localhost.localdomain> <20060516092727.GD928@kestrel.barix.local> <20060516094033.GC23061@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060516132426.GA6767@kestrel.barix.local> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:40:33AM +0200, Ales Zemene wrote: > >>> citation of from Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:27:27AM +0200, Karel Kulhavy : > > I don't see in the guide description how twisters PC's and cables should > > be set prior to running the software. It's an unofficial wiki guide that > > is however not good enough marked to be unofficial and you are a perfect > > example what happens if a user comes to a website organized like that - > > you think it's a guide that should work and it doesn't work for you. > > > > Do you feel frustrated by the fact that you want to test the Twister > > and you failed? > such experimental technologies are always a hard way from one problem to > the next one, trials and errors, and if you are complete newbie like me, > any hints are very cheerfull. > although there could be allready very good howto guide for testing ronja > devices, still - what is so far on wiki gives at least some ideas - thanks for that. > > > Please try one of the official test procedures: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/testing > > > > I suggest the Wiki to be removed because: > > 1) The abovementioned problem with running into unofficial guide which > > can end in frustration > > 2) It was migrated from TWiki because TWiki often required security > > updates and got hacked anyway and disabled by the web administrator. > > Since that time noone found time to manually rewrite the content between > > the two partiaully uincompatible Wiki systems (TWiki and Mediawiki) so > > the content is in decrepit state > > 3) Mediawiki often gets attacked by spambots and the spam content is > > still there, scanning all the pages and removing the spam content > > manually is a considerable amount of work. Plus this lead me to > > disabling anonymous contributions so the Wiki is now burdened with > > bureaucracy of registration (I hate to register everywhere I go, > > what about you?) > sure ;) documentation is nearly as much work as whole developement no ? > how about rebuilding a bit wiki structure of priorites, starting RDP (ronja > documentation project) and calling for contributors who could get then > admin priorities to edit contributed material ? It doesn't make sense to separate the projects for the user into two ones. One technical development and the other documentation. The user needs a synthesis of two. It's the developer who should do the synthesis. If the user will be expected to do the synthesis by watching two websites at a time, he will do unnecessary work. Moreover, if there are 100 users, those 100 users will unnecessarily repeat the work again and again. But the developer can do the work once and publish it. I think instead of calling for some kind of documentation project it would be better to call for people to help with the website by finding typos, deadlinks, unclear instructions and doing small changes to the arrangement of the documents that will increase the usability of the website. > > > > > I think if someone is serious about contributing to Ronja, he can always > > find a way how to get the source, edit it and send it to me. > > > > If he isn't serious about contributing, he'll create a half-finished > > guide like this which will just lead the user into problems. And that's > > what I don't want, because Ronja is a Satisfying Product, as described > > on the title page. > > > > Do you think Wiki should be removed? > i would say rather replaced with better one, if there is somebody who has lots > of energy to keep it updated. There is noone who has lots of energy. People always say they don't have time. But everyone has the same amount of time - 24 hours a day. "I don't have a time" actually means: "I things other things to work on. Things which are more important for me than Ronja." Those people who had energy are listed in the credits. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue May 16 14:26:25 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:26:25 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu In-Reply-To: <006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> Message-ID: <20060516132625.GB6767@kestrel.barix.local> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 01:22:37PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > 4, 5 a 7, 8 souhlas > Jedine mozne nebezpeci je pri pripojeni na nejakou redukci z tlf., protoze > na prostrednim paru (4, 5) je linkove napeti 60 V, na 7, 8 se obcas > pripojuje fax. > Jinak bych se primlouval k prohozeni polarity, tj. barva plus a bily > (barevnobily) minus. > Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne by se > nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na luxeon > bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. How much should be Canon (DE9) connector pins loaded? CL< From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue May 16 15:37:11 2006 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:37:11 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <200605151502.21814@centrum.cz> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <200605151502.21814@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200605161637.11562.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne po 15. kv?tna 2006 15:02 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x > na GPL reseni. Atonegotiation mam, pracuju na novy verzi, kde bude interface s vysilacem v jednom. Auto MDI-X neni a zatim nebude, protoze by se mi to do pouziteho cpld uz neveslo a vetsi uz je v kusovce drahy. Slo by to resit to extra jednocipem, nebo externi delickou kmitoctu, ale to je v obou pripadech integrovany obvod navic a to nechci, v tomto konkretnim pripade si zakladam na tom, ze jsou jenom tri integrace. > Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg > -=RYS=- Jak tenhle cpu neni pod linux? To nejak nechapu, ja pisu pro AVRka a prekladam to pod linuxem prekladacem gcc. Driv jsem obcas neco napsal pro 51 a pro to je taky prekladac pod linux. Pro PICy je jen assembler, ale taky je. To by me moc zajimalo jaky jednocip tam mas. Pro radu freescale (motorola) cpucek je taky prekladac pod linux. Navic kdo tu mluvi o linuxu? Tady jde o open source - otevrene zdrojove kody. Myslim si, ze ty proste jen nic zverejnovat nechces, tak to proste priznej a strc si ten svuj interface nastorc do prdele. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: ales at mur.at > > Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net > > CC: > > Datum: 12.05.2006 09:34 > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping > > > > ahoj, > > > > pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx > > 20cm od > > sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx ledka na > > twisteru, ale packetloss je 100%. v obou pc jsou karty nastaveny na full > > duplex autonegotiation off. v jednom pc mam 3c985C, a tam ta ledka blika > > dost nepravidelne, > > a za chvili to cely spadne. bertest neukaze vubec nic. ronjaping jsem > > nenasel. co mam jeste zkusit ? > > > > Ales Zemene > > -- > > ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor > > ** ICQ : 298387338 > > ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue May 16 17:45:12 2006 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:45:12 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> <20060516132625.GB6767@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <002301c67908$1a71c240$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Tak to nevim, nezjistoval jsem to ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 01:22:37PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > 4, 5 a 7, 8 souhlas > > Jedine mozne nebezpeci je pri pripojeni na nejakou redukci z tlf., protoze > > na prostrednim paru (4, 5) je linkove napeti 60 V, na 7, 8 se obcas > > pripojuje fax. > > Jinak bych se primlouval k prohozeni polarity, tj. barva plus a bily > > (barevnobily) minus. > > Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne by se > > nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na luxeon > > bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. > > How much should be Canon (DE9) connector pins loaded? > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue May 16 17:49:33 2006 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:49:33 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> <1147780521.4469bda97308c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <002b01c67908$b52a8600$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Klidne po strukturce muzes mit natahane telefony, neni to nic neobvykleho. Bud tam strcis ethernet nebo telefon anebo pres rozdvojku oboje. No, ale asi bych se s tim moc nezalamoval. Das tam transily na nejakych 16V nebo tak neco a bude ... Ty pojistky neco jako MFR010 apod. ? Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > Mas recht. Se me vloudila jeste chybicka: > 1 oranz/bl - GND nebo vystup- > 2 oranzovy - vystup nebo vystup+ > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI- (GND) > 4 modry - +12V > 5 modry/bl - GND > 6 zeleny - RSSI+ > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > 8 hnedy - +12V > > Ted je to snad uz spravne. S tim telefonem to snad nebude tak hrozne. Pouziva to > vubec jeste nekdo? > S tim luxeonem to taky neni hrozny, mam tam spinany menik a ten bere max 400mA. > Ale pouzivam polymerni pojistky a ty je potreba dimenzovat aby to s nima nabehlo > i v letnich vedrech. Spicka pri nabiti elytu nekdy pojistku ohreje a pak uz > staci maly proud aby zustala rozepnuta. > > > 4, 5 a 7, 8 souhlas > > Jedine mozne nebezpeci je pri pripojeni na nejakou redukci z tlf., protoze > > na prostrednim paru (4, 5) je linkove napeti 60 V, na 7, 8 se obcas > > pripojuje fax. > > Jinak bych se primlouval k prohozeni polarity, tj. barva plus a bily > > (barevnobily) minus. > > Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne by > > se > > nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na > > luxeon > > bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Petr Seliger" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:15 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > > > > > > Zdar, > > > snazim se vymyslet nejaky blbovzdorny standard na propojeni ronja modulu > > > eventualne spidera pomoci UTP/STP misto koaxu. > > > Pozadavky jsou: > > > 1) zadny draty mezi TX a RX > > > 2) moznost pouzit stavajici RX stejne jako RX se symetrickym vystupem > > > 2) melo by to prezit zapojeni do poe > > > 3) musi prezit sitova karta kdyz se to do ni omylem zapoji > > > 4) snadne pripojeni 2* TX na dualhead > > > 5) konektor RJ45 nebo cannon na twisteru2 > > > > > > Navrh je takovy: > > > 1 oranz/bl - vystup nebo vystup- > > > 2 oranzovy - GND nebo vystup+ (na interfacu by mel byt propojka na > > GND) > > > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI+ > > > 4 modry - +12V > > > 5 modry/bl - GND > > > 6 zeleny - RSSI- (GND je pripojeno pouze v RX,kvuli eliminaci chyby > > zemni smycky) > > > 8 hnedy - +12V > > > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > > > > > > Stineni STP/FTP se pripoji pouze na strane interface. > > > > > > + na interfacu je el. pojistka na 0.25A na RX a 0,5A na TX (resp 2A na TX > > s > > > luxeonem) > > > > > > Nejake navrhy? > > > > > > Petr > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue May 16 17:51:54 2006 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:51:54 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 References: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> <20060516062019.GA26682@kestrel> Message-ID: <004701c67909$0944acc0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> ze to ale trvalo ... ufff, to je uleva :D Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 So I unsubscribed Quintus. CL< On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 10:34:10AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > duhhh I know that I AM NOT STUPID!!!!!!!! That's why I used a special > software called PERM it's an open-source application that is ported to > anything that is open source plus it uses the available potential > bandwidth of all the ronjas that are connected. So beacause it pools > together all the available bandwidth of the 1inch and 1000 inch tubes > so now I get the the combined speed of the iridium modem and ronjas > that are connected via this software. Now before kicking me with alot > of bullshit. PLEASE CALL 1-217-244-0527 to learn more about > SELECT,WINE,AND PERM or visit the website of the PERM project at > http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu/projects/perm/index.php#people or it's > hompage for other projects when the site is updated at > http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu now please think about available technologies > you know about BEFORE REPLYING WITH BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now please > learn about technology before replying with alot of shit!!!!!! > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja na lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue May 16 18:20:33 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:20:33 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] link to ronjaping broken In-Reply-To: <20060516100204.GD23061@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <20060512093831.GA19986@kestrel.barix.local> <20060512100610.GA8905@localhost.localdomain> <20060515133726.GA4458@kestrel> <20060516061426.GA23061@localhost.localdomain> <20060516094855.GB1143@kestrel.barix.local> <20060516100204.GD23061@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060516172033.GA31157@kestrel.barix.local> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 12:02:05PM +0200, Ales Zemene wrote: > >>> citation of from Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:48:55AM +0200, Karel Kulhavy : > > The official page with Ronjaping is here: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/ronjaping.php > > > > It should work as written. If not, then please report a bug for example > > by reply to this e-mail. > > > > CL< > there is a link in Download section : > http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/ronjaping Thanks fixed. It should have linked to ronjaping.tgz and not ronjaping. Try again please. CL< > which leads to : > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access /testing/ronjaping/ on this server > > Ales Zemene > -- > ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor > ** ICQ : 298387338 > ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue May 16 20:07:21 2006 From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:07:21 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu In-Reply-To: <002b01c67908$b52a8600$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> <1147780521.4469bda97308c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <002b01c67908$b52a8600$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <1147806441.446a22e963f49@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Cituji z emailu od Cipis : > Klidne po strukturce muzes mit natahane telefony, neni to nic neobvykleho. > Bud tam strcis ethernet nebo telefon anebo pres rozdvojku oboje. > > No, ale asi bych se s tim moc nezalamoval. Das tam transily na nejakych 16V > nebo tak neco a bude ... Ten transil musi byt stejne za pojistkou, jinak se odpari z plosnaku. Jesi budu delat dalsi revizi RX tak tam dam 0R SMD odpory jako pojistky. jest-li. Tim vyhlasuju jeste pripominky k plosnaku oznaceneho jako RonjaXT RX verze 1.0. > > Ty pojistky neco jako MFR010 apod. ? > Pouzivam RXE090 z GME. Jediny proti cemu to zatim nepomohlo bylo kdyz pachatel zapojil twister mezi +5 a +12V AT zdroje - zdroj odesel. Nevim jestli byl v ten okamzik twister uzemnen a proslo to druhym dratem, takze pojistka by v tomto pripade pripade asi nepomohla. > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Seliger" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > > > Mas recht. Se me vloudila jeste chybicka: > > 1 oranz/bl - GND nebo vystup- > > 2 oranzovy - vystup nebo vystup+ > > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI- (GND) > > 4 modry - +12V > > 5 modry/bl - GND > > 6 zeleny - RSSI+ > > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > > 8 hnedy - +12V > > > > Ted je to snad uz spravne. S tim telefonem to snad nebude tak hrozne. > Pouziva to > > vubec jeste nekdo? > > S tim luxeonem to taky neni hrozny, mam tam spinany menik a ten bere max > 400mA. > > Ale pouzivam polymerni pojistky a ty je potreba dimenzovat aby to s nima > nabehlo > > i v letnich vedrech. Spicka pri nabiti elytu nekdy pojistku ohreje a pak > uz > > staci maly proud aby zustala rozepnuta. > > > > > 4, 5 a 7, 8 souhlas > > > Jedine mozne nebezpeci je pri pripojeni na nejakou redukci z tlf., > protoze > > > na prostrednim paru (4, 5) je linkove napeti 60 V, na 7, 8 se obcas > > > pripojuje fax. > > > Jinak bych se primlouval k prohozeni polarity, tj. barva plus a bily > > > (barevnobily) minus. > > > Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne > by > > > se > > > nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na > > > luxeon > > > bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Petr Seliger" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:15 PM > > > Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > > > > > > > > > Zdar, > > > > snazim se vymyslet nejaky blbovzdorny standard na propojeni ronja > modulu > > > > eventualne spidera pomoci UTP/STP misto koaxu. > > > > Pozadavky jsou: > > > > 1) zadny draty mezi TX a RX > > > > 2) moznost pouzit stavajici RX stejne jako RX se symetrickym vystupem > > > > 2) melo by to prezit zapojeni do poe > > > > 3) musi prezit sitova karta kdyz se to do ni omylem zapoji > > > > 4) snadne pripojeni 2* TX na dualhead > > > > 5) konektor RJ45 nebo cannon na twisteru2 > > > > > > > > Navrh je takovy: > > > > 1 oranz/bl - vystup nebo vystup- > > > > 2 oranzovy - GND nebo vystup+ (na interfacu by mel byt propojka > na > > > GND) > > > > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI+ > > > > 4 modry - +12V > > > > 5 modry/bl - GND > > > > 6 zeleny - RSSI- (GND je pripojeno pouze v RX,kvuli eliminaci > chyby > > > zemni smycky) > > > > 8 hnedy - +12V > > > > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > > > > > > > > Stineni STP/FTP se pripoji pouze na strane interface. > > > > > > > > + na interfacu je el. pojistka na 0.25A na RX a 0,5A na TX (resp 2A > na > TX > > > s > > > > luxeonem) > > > > > > > > Nejake navrhy? > > > > > > > > Petr > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue May 16 20:09:42 2006 From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:09:42 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <004701c67909$0944acc0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> <20060516062019.GA26682@kestrel> <004701c67909$0944acc0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <1147806582.446a2376787f4@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Me prijde jesi von ten Quintus nebyl jenom nejakej Clockuv zert? Cituji z emailu od Cipis : > ze to ale trvalo ... > ufff, to je uleva :D > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 > > > So I unsubscribed Quintus. > > CL< > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 10:34:10AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > > > duhhh I know that I AM NOT STUPID!!!!!!!! That's why I used a special > > software called PERM it's an open-source application that is ported to > > anything that is open source plus it uses the available potential > > bandwidth of all the ronjas that are connected. So beacause it pools > > together all the available bandwidth of the 1inch and 1000 inch tubes > > so now I get the the combined speed of the iridium modem and ronjas > > that are connected via this software. Now before kicking me with alot > > of bullshit. PLEASE CALL 1-217-244-0527 to learn more about > > SELECT,WINE,AND PERM or visit the website of the PERM project at > > http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu/projects/perm/index.php#people or it's > > hompage for other projects when the site is updated at > > http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu now please think about available technologies > > you know about BEFORE REPLYING WITH BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now please > > learn about technology before replying with alot of shit!!!!!! From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue May 16 21:49:40 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:49:40 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <1147806582.446a2376787f4@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> <20060516062019.GA26682@kestrel> <004701c67909$0944acc0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <1147806582.446a2376787f4@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <446A3AE4.1030201@kbx.cz> To by byl dost strasnej vtip... Obcas kdyz mam nocni muru, tak se mi zda, ze Quintus Murray je muj nadrizeny :) K Petr Seliger napsal(a): > Me prijde jesi von ten Quintus nebyl jenom nejakej Clockuv zert? > > Cituji z emailu od Cipis : > >> ze to ale trvalo ... >> ufff, to je uleva :D >> >> Cipis >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karel Kulhavy" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 >> >> >> So I unsubscribed Quintus. >> >> CL< >> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 10:34:10AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: >> >>> duhhh I know that I AM NOT STUPID!!!!!!!! That's why I used a special >>> software called PERM it's an open-source application that is ported to >>> anything that is open source plus it uses the available potential >>> bandwidth of all the ronjas that are connected. So beacause it pools >>> together all the available bandwidth of the 1inch and 1000 inch tubes >>> so now I get the the combined speed of the iridium modem and ronjas >>> that are connected via this software. Now before kicking me with alot >>> of bullshit. PLEASE CALL 1-217-244-0527 to learn more about >>> SELECT,WINE,AND PERM or visit the website of the PERM project at >>> http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu/projects/perm/index.php#people or it's >>> hompage for other projects when the site is updated at >>> http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu now please think about available technologies >>> you know about BEFORE REPLYING WITH BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now please >>> learn about technology before replying with alot of shit!!!!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: kubajz.vcf Typ: text/x-vcard Velikost: 265 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060516/41bbfee3/attachment.vcf From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue May 16 21:58:14 2006 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:58:14 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 References: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> <20060516062019.GA26682@kestrel> <004701c67909$0944acc0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><1147806582.446a2376787f4@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <446A3AE4.1030201@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <001601c6792b$73438fc0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> :D :D :D Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Sykora" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 To by byl dost strasnej vtip... Obcas kdyz mam nocni muru, tak se mi zda, ze Quintus Murray je muj nadrizeny :) K Petr Seliger napsal(a): > Me prijde jesi von ten Quintus nebyl jenom nejakej Clockuv zert? > > Cituji z emailu od Cipis : > >> ze to ale trvalo ... >> ufff, to je uleva :D >> >> Cipis >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karel Kulhavy" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 >> >> >> So I unsubscribed Quintus. >> >> CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed May 17 08:03:49 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:03:49 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <200605161637.11562.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <200605151502.21814@centrum.cz> <200605161637.11562.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20060517070349.GA7643@kestrel> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 04:37:11PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Dne po 15. kv?tna 2006 15:02 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x > > na GPL reseni. > Atonegotiation mam, pracuju na novy verzi, kde bude interface s vysilacem v > jednom. > Auto MDI-X neni a zatim nebude, protoze by se mi to do pouziteho cpld uz > neveslo a vetsi uz je v kusovce drahy. Slo by to resit to extra jednocipem, > nebo externi delickou kmitoctu, ale to je v obou pripadech integrovany obvod > navic a to nechci, v tomto konkretnim pripade si zakladam na tom, ze jsou > jenom tri integrace. > > > > Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg > > -=RYS=- > > Jak tenhle cpu neni pod linux? To nejak nechapu, ja pisu pro AVRka a prekladam > to pod linuxem prekladacem gcc. Driv jsem obcas neco napsal pro 51 a pro to > je taky prekladac pod linux. Pro PICy je jen assembler, ale taky je. To by me > moc zajimalo jaky jednocip tam mas. > Pro radu freescale (motorola) cpucek je taky prekladac pod linux. > > Navic kdo tu mluvi o linuxu? Tady jde o open source - otevrene zdrojove kody. > > Myslim si, ze ty proste jen nic zverejnovat nechces, tak to proste priznej a > strc si ten svuj interface nastorc do prdele. Jo - tenhle trend se v Rysovych prispevcich da sledovat trvale. Me proste pride, ze Rys to zverejnit nechce, a dodava vymluvu, aby lidi ktery tomu nerozumej si mysleli, ze k tomu ma nejaky duvod. Na druhou stranu je Rys neskodny - jestli jeho prispevky nikoho neobtezujou, tak ho vykopavat nebudu ani kdyz porusuje pravidla mailinglistu. Jestli lidi prestanou pouzivat Ronju a zacnou pouzivat kvuli tomu nejakou Rysovu proprietarni udelavku, tak to neni zpusobeny Rysem, ale spis blbosti projektu Ronja, ze se nestavi dostatecne jednoduse a nebo ze v navodu jsou bugy ktere uzivatele obtezuji a odradi (jako treba Ales Zemene narazil na deadlink - predstava ze nekdo ceka den na to aby mohl nekam kliknout je opravdu frustrujici). Ale dneska vecer jsem osazoval Twister2 a je to fofr - kdyz se ohne smycka pajky do hranateho tvaru, zaletovani jednoho svabu trva asi 15 sekund :) A navic je vetsina mechaniky vyhazena pryc, takze jestli tohle bude chodit spravne, tak to si uzivatele budou rozhodne pochvalovat. Podle me Twister2 bude postavenej za 1/2 (mozna 1/3?) casu co Twister, a to vc. mechaniky. Takze tohle by melo projekt Ronja ucinit o neco pristupnejsi pro lidi - prece jen nejvetsi oser s elektronikou je asi ten Twister se vsema tema cetkama uvnitr. CL< > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > Od: ales at mur.at > > > Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > CC: > > > Datum: 12.05.2006 09:34 > > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping > > > > > > ahoj, > > > > > > pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx > > > 20cm od > > > sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx ledka na > > > twisteru, ale packetloss je 100%. v obou pc jsou karty nastaveny na full > > > duplex autonegotiation off. v jednom pc mam 3c985C, a tam ta ledka blika > > > dost nepravidelne, > > > a za chvili to cely spadne. bertest neukaze vubec nic. ronjaping jsem > > > nenasel. co mam jeste zkusit ? > > > > > > Ales Zemene > > > -- > > > ** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor > > > ** ICQ : 298387338 > > > ** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kendy at hkfree.org Wed May 17 08:52:53 2006 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:52:53 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060517070349.GA7643@kestrel> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <200605151502.21814@centrum.cz> <200605161637.11562.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20060517070349.GA7643@kestrel> Message-ID: <446AD655.407@hkfree.org> K jakemu ucelu slouzi ten Twister2 ? Je k tomu nekde nejaky pokec? Nerad bych tady plytval mistem, kdyz bych si o tom mohl nekde precist... Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 04:37:11PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > >>Dne po 15. kv?tna 2006 15:02 -=RYS=- napsal(a): >> >>>Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x >>>na GPL reseni. >> >>Atonegotiation mam, pracuju na novy verzi, kde bude interface s vysilacem v >>jednom. >>Auto MDI-X neni a zatim nebude, protoze by se mi to do pouziteho cpld uz >>neveslo a vetsi uz je v kusovce drahy. Slo by to resit to extra jednocipem, >>nebo externi delickou kmitoctu, ale to je v obou pripadech integrovany obvod >>navic a to nechci, v tomto konkretnim pripade si zakladam na tom, ze jsou >>jenom tri integrace. >> >> >> >>>Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. >>>http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg >>>-=RYS=- >> >>Jak tenhle cpu neni pod linux? To nejak nechapu, ja pisu pro AVRka a prekladam >>to pod linuxem prekladacem gcc. Driv jsem obcas neco napsal pro 51 a pro to >>je taky prekladac pod linux. Pro PICy je jen assembler, ale taky je. To by me >>moc zajimalo jaky jednocip tam mas. >>Pro radu freescale (motorola) cpucek je taky prekladac pod linux. >> >>Navic kdo tu mluvi o linuxu? Tady jde o open source - otevrene zdrojove kody. >> >>Myslim si, ze ty proste jen nic zverejnovat nechces, tak to proste priznej a >>strc si ten svuj interface nastorc do prdele. > > > Jo - tenhle trend se v Rysovych prispevcich da sledovat trvale. Me > proste pride, ze Rys to zverejnit nechce, a dodava vymluvu, aby > lidi ktery tomu nerozumej si mysleli, ze k tomu ma nejaky duvod. > > Na druhou stranu je Rys neskodny - jestli jeho prispevky nikoho > neobtezujou, tak ho vykopavat nebudu ani kdyz porusuje pravidla > mailinglistu. > > Jestli lidi prestanou pouzivat Ronju a zacnou pouzivat kvuli tomu > nejakou Rysovu proprietarni udelavku, tak to neni zpusobeny Rysem, ale > spis blbosti projektu Ronja, ze se nestavi dostatecne jednoduse a nebo > ze v navodu jsou bugy ktere uzivatele obtezuji a odradi (jako treba > Ales Zemene narazil na deadlink - predstava ze nekdo ceka den na to > aby mohl nekam kliknout je opravdu frustrujici). > > Ale dneska vecer jsem osazoval Twister2 a je to fofr - kdyz se ohne > smycka pajky do hranateho tvaru, zaletovani jednoho svabu trva asi 15 > sekund :) A navic je vetsina mechaniky vyhazena pryc, takze jestli tohle > bude chodit spravne, tak to si uzivatele budou rozhodne pochvalovat. > Podle me Twister2 bude postavenej za 1/2 (mozna 1/3?) casu co Twister, > a to vc. mechaniky. > > Takze tohle by melo projekt Ronja ucinit o neco pristupnejsi pro lidi - > prece jen nejvetsi oser s elektronikou je asi ten Twister se vsema > tema cetkama uvnitr. > > CL< > >> >> >>> >>>______________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>>>Od: ales na mur.at >>>>Komu: ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>CC: >>>>Datum: 12.05.2006 09:34 >>>>P?edm?t: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping >>>> >>>>ahoj, >>>> >>>>pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx >>>>20cm od >>>>sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx ledka na >>>>twisteru, ale packetloss je 100%. v obou pc jsou karty nastaveny na full >>>>duplex autonegotiation off. v jednom pc mam 3c985C, a tam ta ledka blika >>>>dost nepravidelne, >>>>a za chvili to cely spadne. bertest neukaze vubec nic. ronjaping jsem >>>>nenasel. co mam jeste zkusit ? >>>> >>>>Ales Zemene >>>>-- >>>>** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor >>>>** ICQ : 298387338 >>>>** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From asteri_x at freemail.hu Wed May 17 09:04:57 2006 From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (Martin) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:04:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ronja] quintus... In-Reply-To: <20060515173410.96968.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >you know about BEFORE REPLYING WITH BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now >please learn about technology before replying with alot of shit!!!!!! He tells us, to learn about tech. :D While he has no idea about Ronja ... Nor basics of networking. poor boy. Good job, Clock! bye, Martin _______________________________________________________________________________ ANGOL ?s N?MET INTERNETES NYELVTANFOLYAMOK! 3 temp?; 3 szint; hanganyag CD-k; Online konzult?ci?! http://www.mediabo.hu/akcio/origo/jelentkezesi_lap.html From clock at twibright.com Wed May 17 09:00:21 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:00:21 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <1147806582.446a2376787f4@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20060516062019.GA26682@kestrel> <004701c67909$0944acc0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <1147806582.446a2376787f4@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20060517080021.GB7643@kestrel> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 09:09:42PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > Me prijde jesi von ten Quintus nebyl jenom nejakej Clockuv zert? Ne to nebyl :) Jak bych zfalsoval IP adresy z New York District School? CL< > > Cituji z emailu od Cipis : > > > ze to ale trvalo ... > > ufff, to je uleva :D > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 > > > > > > So I unsubscribed Quintus. > > > > CL< > > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 10:34:10AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > > > > > duhhh I know that I AM NOT STUPID!!!!!!!! That's why I used a special > > > software called PERM it's an open-source application that is ported to > > > anything that is open source plus it uses the available potential > > > bandwidth of all the ronjas that are connected. So beacause it pools > > > together all the available bandwidth of the 1inch and 1000 inch tubes > > > so now I get the the combined speed of the iridium modem and ronjas > > > that are connected via this software. Now before kicking me with alot > > > of bullshit. PLEASE CALL 1-217-244-0527 to learn more about > > > SELECT,WINE,AND PERM or visit the website of the PERM project at > > > http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu/projects/perm/index.php#people or it's > > > hompage for other projects when the site is updated at > > > http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu now please think about available technologies > > > you know about BEFORE REPLYING WITH BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now please > > > learn about technology before replying with alot of shit!!!!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed May 17 11:14:56 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:14:56 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <446AD655.407@hkfree.org> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <200605151502.21814@centrum.cz> <200605161637.11562.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20060517070349.GA7643@kestrel> <446AD655.407@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20060517101456.GA16362@kestrel.barix.local> On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 09:52:53AM +0200, Kendy wrote: > K jakemu ucelu slouzi ten Twister2 ? Je k tomu nekde nejaky pokec? Nerad > bych tady plytval mistem, kdyz bych si o tom mohl nekde precist... Je to Twister, akorat bugfixlej (predesignovanim). http://ronja.twibright.com/twister2/pcb.php CL< > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 04:37:11PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > >>Dne po 15. kv?tna 2006 15:02 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > >> > >>>Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x > >>>na GPL reseni. > >> > >>Atonegotiation mam, pracuju na novy verzi, kde bude interface s vysilacem v > >>jednom. > >>Auto MDI-X neni a zatim nebude, protoze by se mi to do pouziteho cpld uz > >>neveslo a vetsi uz je v kusovce drahy. Slo by to resit to extra jednocipem, > >>nebo externi delickou kmitoctu, ale to je v obou pripadech integrovany obvod > >>navic a to nechci, v tomto konkretnim pripade si zakladam na tom, ze jsou > >>jenom tri integrace. > >> > >> > >> > >>>Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. > >>>http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg > >>>-=RYS=- > >> > >>Jak tenhle cpu neni pod linux? To nejak nechapu, ja pisu pro AVRka a prekladam > >>to pod linuxem prekladacem gcc. Driv jsem obcas neco napsal pro 51 a pro to > >>je taky prekladac pod linux. Pro PICy je jen assembler, ale taky je. To by me > >>moc zajimalo jaky jednocip tam mas. > >>Pro radu freescale (motorola) cpucek je taky prekladac pod linux. > >> > >>Navic kdo tu mluvi o linuxu? Tady jde o open source - otevrene zdrojove kody. > >> > >>Myslim si, ze ty proste jen nic zverejnovat nechces, tak to proste priznej a > >>strc si ten svuj interface nastorc do prdele. > > > > > > Jo - tenhle trend se v Rysovych prispevcich da sledovat trvale. Me > > proste pride, ze Rys to zverejnit nechce, a dodava vymluvu, aby > > lidi ktery tomu nerozumej si mysleli, ze k tomu ma nejaky duvod. > > > > Na druhou stranu je Rys neskodny - jestli jeho prispevky nikoho > > neobtezujou, tak ho vykopavat nebudu ani kdyz porusuje pravidla > > mailinglistu. > > > > Jestli lidi prestanou pouzivat Ronju a zacnou pouzivat kvuli tomu > > nejakou Rysovu proprietarni udelavku, tak to neni zpusobeny Rysem, ale > > spis blbosti projektu Ronja, ze se nestavi dostatecne jednoduse a nebo > > ze v navodu jsou bugy ktere uzivatele obtezuji a odradi (jako treba > > Ales Zemene narazil na deadlink - predstava ze nekdo ceka den na to > > aby mohl nekam kliknout je opravdu frustrujici). > > > > Ale dneska vecer jsem osazoval Twister2 a je to fofr - kdyz se ohne > > smycka pajky do hranateho tvaru, zaletovani jednoho svabu trva asi 15 > > sekund :) A navic je vetsina mechaniky vyhazena pryc, takze jestli tohle > > bude chodit spravne, tak to si uzivatele budou rozhodne pochvalovat. > > Podle me Twister2 bude postavenej za 1/2 (mozna 1/3?) casu co Twister, > > a to vc. mechaniky. > > > > Takze tohle by melo projekt Ronja ucinit o neco pristupnejsi pro lidi - > > prece jen nejvetsi oser s elektronikou je asi ten Twister se vsema > > tema cetkama uvnitr. > > > > CL< > > > >> > >> > >>> > >>>______________________________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > >>>>Od: ales at mur.at > >>>>Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>>>CC: > >>>>Datum: 12.05.2006 09:34 > >>>>P?edm?t: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping > >>>> > >>>>ahoj, > >>>> > >>>>pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx > >>>>20cm od > >>>>sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx ledka na > >>>>twisteru, ale packetloss je 100%. v obou pc jsou karty nastaveny na full > >>>>duplex autonegotiation off. v jednom pc mam 3c985C, a tam ta ledka blika > >>>>dost nepravidelne, > >>>>a za chvili to cely spadne. bertest neukaze vubec nic. ronjaping jsem > >>>>nenasel. co mam jeste zkusit ? > >>>> > >>>>Ales Zemene > >>>>-- > >>>>** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor > >>>>** ICQ : 298387338 > >>>>** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Wed May 17 11:21:31 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:21:31 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <20060517080021.GB7643@kestrel> References: <20060516062019.GA26682@kestrel> <004701c67909$0944acc0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <1147806582.446a2376787f4@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20060517080021.GB7643@kestrel> Message-ID: <446AF92B.608@kbx.cz> Maybe you used opensource Iridium with open source Ronja and maybe with future 100Mbps or 1000Mbps and 802.11n to make Internet opensource and therefore free to access from everywhere? :]]] K Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 09:09:42PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > >>Me prijde jesi von ten Quintus nebyl jenom nejakej Clockuv zert? > > > Ne to nebyl :) Jak bych zfalsoval IP adresy z New York District School? > > CL< > >>Cituji z emailu od Cipis : >> >> >>>ze to ale trvalo ... >>>ufff, to je uleva :D >>> >>>Cipis >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Karel Kulhavy" >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:20 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12 >>> >>> >>>So I unsubscribed Quintus. >>> >>>CL< >>>On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 10:34:10AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: >>> >>> >>>>duhhh I know that I AM NOT STUPID!!!!!!!! That's why I used a special >>>>software called PERM it's an open-source application that is ported to >>>>anything that is open source plus it uses the available potential >>>>bandwidth of all the ronjas that are connected. So beacause it pools >>>>together all the available bandwidth of the 1inch and 1000 inch tubes >>>>so now I get the the combined speed of the iridium modem and ronjas >>>>that are connected via this software. Now before kicking me with alot >>>>of bullshit. PLEASE CALL 1-217-244-0527 to learn more about >>>>SELECT,WINE,AND PERM or visit the website of the PERM project at >>>>http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu/projects/perm/index.php#people or it's >>>>hompage for other projects when the site is updated at >>>>http://swing.cs.uiuc.edu now please think about available technologies >>>>you know about BEFORE REPLYING WITH BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now please >>>>learn about technology before replying with alot of shit!!!!!! >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: kubajz.vcf Typ: text/x-vcard Velikost: 265 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060517/e09eec39/attachment.vcf From kendy at hkfree.org Wed May 17 11:42:05 2006 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:42:05 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060517101456.GA16362@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <200605151502.21814@centrum.cz> <200605161637.11562.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20060517070349.GA7643@kestrel> <446AD655.407@hkfree.org> <20060517101456.GA16362@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <446AFDFD.2060703@hkfree.org> A umi neco noveho ? Autonego by se siklo, predelavat furt ty switche je desny... Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 09:52:53AM +0200, Kendy wrote: > >>K jakemu ucelu slouzi ten Twister2 ? Je k tomu nekde nejaky pokec? Nerad >>bych tady plytval mistem, kdyz bych si o tom mohl nekde precist... > > > Je to Twister, akorat bugfixlej (predesignovanim). > http://ronja.twibright.com/twister2/pcb.php > > CL< > >>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >> >>>On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 04:37:11PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Dne po 15. kv?tna 2006 15:02 -=RYS=- napsal(a): >>>> >>>> >>>>>Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x >>>>>na GPL reseni. >>>> >>>>Atonegotiation mam, pracuju na novy verzi, kde bude interface s vysilacem v >>>>jednom. >>>>Auto MDI-X neni a zatim nebude, protoze by se mi to do pouziteho cpld uz >>>>neveslo a vetsi uz je v kusovce drahy. Slo by to resit to extra jednocipem, >>>>nebo externi delickou kmitoctu, ale to je v obou pripadech integrovany obvod >>>>navic a to nechci, v tomto konkretnim pripade si zakladam na tom, ze jsou >>>>jenom tri integrace. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. >>>>>http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg >>>>>-=RYS=- >>>> >>>>Jak tenhle cpu neni pod linux? To nejak nechapu, ja pisu pro AVRka a prekladam >>>>to pod linuxem prekladacem gcc. Driv jsem obcas neco napsal pro 51 a pro to >>>>je taky prekladac pod linux. Pro PICy je jen assembler, ale taky je. To by me >>>>moc zajimalo jaky jednocip tam mas. >>>>Pro radu freescale (motorola) cpucek je taky prekladac pod linux. >>>> >>>>Navic kdo tu mluvi o linuxu? Tady jde o open source - otevrene zdrojove kody. >>>> >>>>Myslim si, ze ty proste jen nic zverejnovat nechces, tak to proste priznej a >>>>strc si ten svuj interface nastorc do prdele. >>> >>> >>>Jo - tenhle trend se v Rysovych prispevcich da sledovat trvale. Me >>>proste pride, ze Rys to zverejnit nechce, a dodava vymluvu, aby >>>lidi ktery tomu nerozumej si mysleli, ze k tomu ma nejaky duvod. >>> >>>Na druhou stranu je Rys neskodny - jestli jeho prispevky nikoho >>>neobtezujou, tak ho vykopavat nebudu ani kdyz porusuje pravidla >>>mailinglistu. >>> >>>Jestli lidi prestanou pouzivat Ronju a zacnou pouzivat kvuli tomu >>>nejakou Rysovu proprietarni udelavku, tak to neni zpusobeny Rysem, ale >>>spis blbosti projektu Ronja, ze se nestavi dostatecne jednoduse a nebo >>>ze v navodu jsou bugy ktere uzivatele obtezuji a odradi (jako treba >>>Ales Zemene narazil na deadlink - predstava ze nekdo ceka den na to >>>aby mohl nekam kliknout je opravdu frustrujici). >>> >>>Ale dneska vecer jsem osazoval Twister2 a je to fofr - kdyz se ohne >>>smycka pajky do hranateho tvaru, zaletovani jednoho svabu trva asi 15 >>>sekund :) A navic je vetsina mechaniky vyhazena pryc, takze jestli tohle >>>bude chodit spravne, tak to si uzivatele budou rozhodne pochvalovat. >>>Podle me Twister2 bude postavenej za 1/2 (mozna 1/3?) casu co Twister, >>>a to vc. mechaniky. >>> >>>Takze tohle by melo projekt Ronja ucinit o neco pristupnejsi pro lidi - >>>prece jen nejvetsi oser s elektronikou je asi ten Twister se vsema >>>tema cetkama uvnitr. >>> >>>CL< >>> >>>> >>>>>______________________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Od: ales na mur.at >>>>>>Komu: ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>>>CC: >>>>>>Datum: 12.05.2006 09:34 >>>>>>P?edm?t: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping >>>>>> >>>>>>ahoj, >>>>>> >>>>>>pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx >>>>>>20cm od >>>>>>sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx ledka na >>>>>>twisteru, ale packetloss je 100%. v obou pc jsou karty nastaveny na full >>>>>>duplex autonegotiation off. v jednom pc mam 3c985C, a tam ta ledka blika >>>>>>dost nepravidelne, >>>>>>a za chvili to cely spadne. bertest neukaze vubec nic. ronjaping jsem >>>>>>nenasel. co mam jeste zkusit ? >>>>>> >>>>>>Ales Zemene >>>>>>-- >>>>>>** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor >>>>>>** ICQ : 298387338 >>>>>>** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Wed May 17 13:58:55 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:58:55 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <446AFDFD.2060703@hkfree.org> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <200605151502.21814@centrum.cz> <200605161637.11562.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20060517070349.GA7643@kestrel> <446AD655.407@hkfree.org> <20060517101456.GA16362@kestrel.barix.local> <446AFDFD.2060703@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20060517125855.GB6782@kestrel.barix.local> On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:42:05PM +0200, Kendy wrote: > A umi neco noveho ? > Autonego by se siklo, predelavat furt ty switche je desny... No it will have the same features as Twister. It's a bugfix to Twister. There are two switches that can be toggled by a flip of a finger. Because the cord is only 1m long, if you are moving the plug from a switch to a PC, you can extend your arm 1 meter and change the switches. CL< > > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > > On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 09:52:53AM +0200, Kendy wrote: > > > >>K jakemu ucelu slouzi ten Twister2 ? Je k tomu nekde nejaky pokec? Nerad > >>bych tady plytval mistem, kdyz bych si o tom mohl nekde precist... > > > > > > Je to Twister, akorat bugfixlej (predesignovanim). > > http://ronja.twibright.com/twister2/pcb.php > > > > CL< > > > >>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > >> > >>>On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 04:37:11PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Dne po 15. kv?tna 2006 15:02 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x > >>>>>na GPL reseni. > >>>> > >>>>Atonegotiation mam, pracuju na novy verzi, kde bude interface s vysilacem v > >>>>jednom. > >>>>Auto MDI-X neni a zatim nebude, protoze by se mi to do pouziteho cpld uz > >>>>neveslo a vetsi uz je v kusovce drahy. Slo by to resit to extra jednocipem, > >>>>nebo externi delickou kmitoctu, ale to je v obou pripadech integrovany obvod > >>>>navic a to nechci, v tomto konkretnim pripade si zakladam na tom, ze jsou > >>>>jenom tri integrace. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. > >>>>>http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg > >>>>>-=RYS=- > >>>> > >>>>Jak tenhle cpu neni pod linux? To nejak nechapu, ja pisu pro AVRka a prekladam > >>>>to pod linuxem prekladacem gcc. Driv jsem obcas neco napsal pro 51 a pro to > >>>>je taky prekladac pod linux. Pro PICy je jen assembler, ale taky je. To by me > >>>>moc zajimalo jaky jednocip tam mas. > >>>>Pro radu freescale (motorola) cpucek je taky prekladac pod linux. > >>>> > >>>>Navic kdo tu mluvi o linuxu? Tady jde o open source - otevrene zdrojove kody. > >>>> > >>>>Myslim si, ze ty proste jen nic zverejnovat nechces, tak to proste priznej a > >>>>strc si ten svuj interface nastorc do prdele. > >>> > >>> > >>>Jo - tenhle trend se v Rysovych prispevcich da sledovat trvale. Me > >>>proste pride, ze Rys to zverejnit nechce, a dodava vymluvu, aby > >>>lidi ktery tomu nerozumej si mysleli, ze k tomu ma nejaky duvod. > >>> > >>>Na druhou stranu je Rys neskodny - jestli jeho prispevky nikoho > >>>neobtezujou, tak ho vykopavat nebudu ani kdyz porusuje pravidla > >>>mailinglistu. > >>> > >>>Jestli lidi prestanou pouzivat Ronju a zacnou pouzivat kvuli tomu > >>>nejakou Rysovu proprietarni udelavku, tak to neni zpusobeny Rysem, ale > >>>spis blbosti projektu Ronja, ze se nestavi dostatecne jednoduse a nebo > >>>ze v navodu jsou bugy ktere uzivatele obtezuji a odradi (jako treba > >>>Ales Zemene narazil na deadlink - predstava ze nekdo ceka den na to > >>>aby mohl nekam kliknout je opravdu frustrujici). > >>> > >>>Ale dneska vecer jsem osazoval Twister2 a je to fofr - kdyz se ohne > >>>smycka pajky do hranateho tvaru, zaletovani jednoho svabu trva asi 15 > >>>sekund :) A navic je vetsina mechaniky vyhazena pryc, takze jestli tohle > >>>bude chodit spravne, tak to si uzivatele budou rozhodne pochvalovat. > >>>Podle me Twister2 bude postavenej za 1/2 (mozna 1/3?) casu co Twister, > >>>a to vc. mechaniky. > >>> > >>>Takze tohle by melo projekt Ronja ucinit o neco pristupnejsi pro lidi - > >>>prece jen nejvetsi oser s elektronikou je asi ten Twister se vsema > >>>tema cetkama uvnitr. > >>> > >>>CL< > >>> > >>>> > >>>>>______________________________________________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Od: ales at mur.at > >>>>>>Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>>>>>CC: > >>>>>>Datum: 12.05.2006 09:34 > >>>>>>P?edm?t: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping > >>>>>> > >>>>>>ahoj, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>pokousim se otestovat metropolis, mam to bez cocek (obe strany) rx a tx > >>>>>>20cm od > >>>>>>sebe. kdyz to propojim na dve pc a spustim pktloss, blika mi rx ledka na > >>>>>>twisteru, ale packetloss je 100%. v obou pc jsou karty nastaveny na full > >>>>>>duplex autonegotiation off. v jednom pc mam 3c985C, a tam ta ledka blika > >>>>>>dost nepravidelne, > >>>>>>a za chvili to cely spadne. bertest neukaze vubec nic. ronjaping jsem > >>>>>>nenasel. co mam jeste zkusit ? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Ales Zemene > >>>>>>-- > >>>>>>** IRC : irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor > >>>>>>** ICQ : 298387338 > >>>>>>** GPG : public key at http://keyserver.net ID 0x01FD52C3 > >>>>>> > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed May 17 14:13:36 2006 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:13:36 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <20060517125855.GB6782@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <446AFDFD.2060703@hkfree.org> <20060517125855.GB6782@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <200605171513.36543.ladmanj@volny.cz> > There are two switches that can be toggled by a flip of a finger. > Because the cord is only 1m long, if you are moving the plug from a > switch to a PC, you can extend your arm 1 meter and change the switches. Bl?smrt From clock at twibright.com Thu May 18 10:57:05 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:57:05 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Twister2 Message-ID: <20060518095705.GA10401@kestrel.barix.local> I already got the Twister2 board and am populating in free time. The chips go very fast. You can bend the soldering lug into a square shape and solder the whole side of a chip in one hit. So soldering a chip is then not much more work than a capacitor or resistor. CL< From kubajz at kbx.cz Thu May 18 11:47:28 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:47:28 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Twister2 In-Reply-To: <20060518095705.GA10401@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060518095705.GA10401@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <446C50C0.7000106@kbx.cz> Can you send us some pictures? I cannot imagine how a lug can be shaped into square. Thx, K Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > I already got the Twister2 board and am populating in free time. > The chips go very fast. You can bend the soldering lug into a square > shape and solder the whole side of a chip in one hit. So soldering a > chip is then not much more work than a capacitor or resistor. > > CL< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: kubajz.vcf Typ: text/x-vcard Velikost: 265 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060518/6bd56803/attachment.vcf From arunk at speedpost.net Thu May 18 12:33:21 2006 From: arunk at speedpost.net (Arun Krishnan) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:03:21 +0530 Subject: [Ronja] Twister2 In-Reply-To: <446C50C0.7000106@kbx.cz> References: <20060518095705.GA10401@kestrel.barix.local> <446C50C0.7000106@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <1147952001.25568.261739599@webmail.messagingengine.com> Yes please :) Some pics of the WIP Board would also be nice :) Regards, Arun ----- Original message ----- From: "Jakub Sykora" To: "Twibright Ronja" Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:47:28 +0200 Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister2 Can you send us some pictures? I cannot imagine how a lug can be shaped into square. Thx, K Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > I already got the Twister2 board and am populating in free time. > The chips go very fast. You can bend the soldering lug into a square > shape and solder the whole side of a chip in one hit. So soldering a > chip is then not much more work than a capacitor or resistor. > > CL< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz at kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' From clock at twibright.com Thu May 18 15:26:18 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:26:18 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Twister2 In-Reply-To: <446C50C0.7000106@kbx.cz> References: <20060518095705.GA10401@kestrel.barix.local> <446C50C0.7000106@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <20060518142618.GA15573@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 12:47:28PM +0200, Jakub Sykora wrote: > Can you send us some pictures? I cannot imagine how a lug can be shaped > into square. With flat plier you mangle the U end into a square U. CL< > > Thx, > > K > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > >I already got the Twister2 board and am populating in free time. > >The chips go very fast. You can bend the soldering lug into a square > >shape and solder the whole side of a chip in one hit. So soldering a > >chip is then not much more work than a capacitor or resistor. > > > >CL< > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- > Jakub S?kora > email: kubajz at kbx.cz <') > ICQ: 68976632 ( =- > mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' > begin:vcard > fn;quoted-printable:Jakub S=C3=BDkora > n;quoted-printable:S=C3=BDkora;Jakub > adr;quoted-printable:;;=C3=9Adoln=C3=AD 1273;Praha 4;;14200;Czech Republic > email;internet:kubajz at kbx.cz > tel;cell:+420 777 594 201 > url:http://kubajz.kbx.cz > version:2.1 > end:vcard > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri May 19 08:06:30 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:06:30 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <200605161637.11562.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: 20060512073028.GE5090@localhost.localdomain> <200605151502.21814@centrum.cz> <200605161637.11562.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200605190906.11126@centrum.cz> Jakube Jakube Jakube....... 1) Jak uz jsem psal, konecne reseni s Atmelem 89c2051 je me reseni (neumi autonego) a reseni s ATTINY je ??? reseni cloveka tady z kofery, pokud to bude chtit uverejnit, tak to uverejni. ??? Ja jsem mu dal slib, ze to poustet dal nebudu, pokud k tomu neda souhlas. 2) Jeden z duvodu, proc jsem to sem daval, je te "nakopnout" se Spiderem. ??? Pred rokem to uverejnis a pak.....nic. Tak jsem te chtel "Stouchnout". 3) Timto skladam pred tebou klobouk. Xilinx je opravdu resenim, mam s nim zkusenosti jeste s YAM modemem. ????Napada me dokonce uziti Xilinxe jako IF pro 24GHz FD. 4) Jeden z duvodu je te popostrcit s resenim autoMDi/x. Myslim, ze z textu vyplynulo, ze staci udelat jen autonego ????a protistrana co ma auto MDi/x si sama prepnet polaritu...nemusi to mit obe stranu kabelu. 5) Jakmile budu mit SMD verzi (komlet s LCD a prevodnikem RSSI), tak muzu tuto elektroniku za rozumnej ???? peniz celou prodat, pokud se nekdo nebude chtit "srat" s Twisterem, kterej je sice fajn, ale Karel ???? se uz opravdu mohl za ta leta rozloucit s analogovejma ic a zkusit uCPU. 6) Co se tyce programovani Atmela pod Linux (open reseni), tak clovek co je tady na konfere a napsal to pod ATTINY ??? byl tusim pres 2 rokama vyfuckovan Karlem, ze nepouziva open reseni. Takze ode te doby sice na konfere je, ale ??? je na Karla "nasranej". A v podstate by stacilo udelat na webu podweb pro ostatni...."jina dalsi reseni". ??? To Karel: "Jo - tenhle trend se v Rysovych prispevcich da sledovat trvale. Me proste pride, ze Rys to zverejnit nechce, a dodava vymluvu, aby lidi ktery tomu nerozumej si mysleli, ze k tomu ma nejaky duvod." Hmm s Ladou Myslikem jsme nasli vhodnou infra diodu HSDL4230 z GME. http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/electronics/rys/ Lada ji testnul na Crusaderu a v pohode, ja ji testnul na Ronje a v pohode. Jestli se nemylim, tak se dle meho navrhu postavili 4 spoje a bez problemu jedou i s velkejma pingama. Pozor, nikde jsme nepsali, aby se pouzila 4220, ktera mrsi signal. Mel jsem moznost pozorovat na osciloskopu s opto hlavou onen signal s tvou verzi vysilace a "moji" versi. Ano na konci obdelniku je to spise oblouk nez zakulacena hrana, ale to ten tvuj vysilac dela taky. Neco jineho je 4220, tak je opravdu na nic a je treba vyrobit tvuj vysilac. Tim odpovidam na to, ze rad pomaham. A to predevsim na PRIVAT maily, ktere mi chodi. No popravde vse napalim na CD a zrejme bude putovat nekam na web. Vcera jsem se vratil z nemocnice z Usti, kde mi rekli, ze jsem mel byt uz 2 tydny mrtvej. Kolik casu je prede mnou to nevim, ale musim stihnou 100Mbps, 1000Mbps, 24GHz mikrovlnu (asi s Insaderem) a dokopat radiovou sit na Magistratu do lepsiho celku. Na kazdej pad Karle, at si jakej si. NAKOPNUL si nas VSECHNY nejakym FUNKCNIM smerem. A za to ti patri muj nehynouci obdiv a hlubokosklon Zdarec lidi, dam si opet Tramal150. Jinak mi pukne telo. -=RYS=-? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: ladmanj na volny.cz > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: 16.05.2006 16:38 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping > > Dne po 15. kv?tna 2006 15:02 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x > > na GPL reseni. > Atonegotiation mam, pracuju na novy verzi, kde bude interface s vysilacem > v jednom. > Auto MDI-X neni a zatim nebude, protoze by se mi to do pouziteho cpld uz > neveslo a vetsi uz je v kusovce drahy. Slo by to resit to extra > jednocipem, nebo externi delickou kmitoctu, ale to je v obou pripadech > integrovany obvod navic a to nechci, v tomto konkretnim pripade si > zakladam na tom, ze jsou jenom tri integrace. > > > > Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg > > -=RYS=- > > Jak tenhle cpu neni pod linux? To nejak nechapu, ja pisu pro AVRka a > prekladam to pod linuxem prekladacem gcc. Driv jsem obcas neco napsal pro > 51 a pro to je taky prekladac pod linux. Pro PICy je jen assembler, ale > taky je. To by me moc zajimalo jaky jednocip tam mas. > Pro radu freescale (motorola) cpucek je taky prekladac pod linux. > > Navic kdo tu mluvi o linuxu? Tady jde o open source - otevrene zdrojove > kody. > > Myslim si, ze ty proste jen nic zverejnovat nechces, tak to proste priznej > a strc si ten svuj interface nastorc do prdele. > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060519/32bda6a5/attachment.html From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri May 19 08:15:27 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:15:27 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu In-Reply-To: <006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> References: 1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> Message-ID: <200605190915.12851@centrum.cz> Ahoj, Cipisi, ja jsem na 100Mbps tahal 1.6A...ale: 1) 2 draty napajeni, 3 draty zem 2) 35m UTP, na zacatku zdroj 18V/2A, na konci se pohybuje napeti 14-15V klady: v zime ti nezpuchri UTP na strese....trochu se hreje zapory: je treba vice vodicu na zem nez napajeci vodic, jinak vznikne "plovouci" napeti, kde je jinej potencial zeme na hlavici nez na hromosvodu (kostreni). Pouzil jsem to u: http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/100.jpg Pravdou je i to, ze hodne premejslim o dvoulince co se pouziva na 230V~...silnej prurez je silnej prurez. Par norem ohledne elektriky jsem dal na: http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=166250#post166250 -=RYS=- ______________________________________________________________ > Od: petr.cipis na tiscali.cz > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: 16.05.2006 13:23 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne by > se > nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na > luxeon > bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. > > Cipis > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060519/d4d99921/attachment.html From clock at twibright.com Fri May 19 09:49:54 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:49:54 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping In-Reply-To: <200605190906.11126@centrum.cz> References: <200605151502.21814@centrum.cz> <200605161637.11562.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200605190906.11126@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20060519084954.GA25753@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 09:06:30AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Jakube Jakube Jakube....... > > 1) Jak uz jsem psal, konecne reseni s Atmelem 89c2051 je me reseni (neumi autonego) a reseni s ATTINY je > ??? reseni cloveka tady z kofery, pokud to bude chtit uverejnit, tak to uverejni. > ??? Ja jsem mu dal slib, ze to poustet dal nebudu, pokud k tomu neda souhlas. > 2) Jeden z duvodu, proc jsem to sem daval, je te "nakopnout" se Spiderem. > ??? Pred rokem to uverejnis a pak.....nic. Tak jsem te chtel "Stouchnout". > 3) Timto skladam pred tebou klobouk. Xilinx je opravdu resenim, mam s nim zkusenosti jeste s YAM modemem. > ????Napada me dokonce uziti Xilinxe jako IF pro 24GHz FD. > 4) Jeden z duvodu je te popostrcit s resenim autoMDi/x. Myslim, ze z > textu vyplynulo, ze staci udelat jen autonego ????a protistrana co ma > auto MDi/x si sama prepnet polaritu...nemusi to mit obe stranu kabelu. > 5) Jakmile budu mit SMD verzi (komlet s LCD a prevodnikem RSSI), tak muzu tuto elektroniku za rozumnej > ???? peniz celou prodat, pokud se nekdo nebude chtit "srat" s Twisterem, kterej je sice fajn, ale Karel > ???? se uz opravdu mohl za ta leta rozloucit s analogovejma ic a zkusit uCPU. Twister je postaven na digitalnich IC, ne analogovejch. Kdyz se nekdo nebude chtit "srat" s Twisterem, tak si taky muze postavit Twister2. > 6) Co se tyce programovani Atmela pod Linux (open reseni), tak clovek co je tady na konfere a napsal to pod ATTINY > ??? byl tusim pres 2 rokama vyfuckovan Karlem, ze nepouziva open reseni. Takze ode te doby sice na konfere je, ale > ??? je na Karla "nasranej". A v podstate by stacilo udelat na webu podweb pro ostatni...."jina dalsi reseni". To ne - nekdo tam postne nekompletni navod a nekdo jinej na tom navodu vytuhne jako nedavno na Polousove wikinavodu. Je potreba aby dotycny svoje "jine dalsi reseni" zcela dodelal, ne jenom napul, a pak mi ho poslal. > ??? > To Karel: > "Jo - tenhle trend se v Rysovych prispevcich da sledovat trvale. Me > proste pride, ze Rys to zverejnit nechce, a dodava vymluvu, aby > lidi ktery tomu nerozumej si mysleli, ze k tomu ma nejaky duvod." > Hmm s Ladou Myslikem jsme nasli vhodnou infra diodu HSDL4230 z GME. > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/electronics/rys/ > Lada ji testnul na Crusaderu a v pohode, ja ji testnul na Ronje a v pohode. > Jestli se nemylim, tak se dle meho navrhu postavili 4 spoje a bez problemu jedou i s velkejma pingama. > Pozor, nikde jsme nepsali, aby se pouzila 4220, ktera mrsi signal. > Mel jsem moznost pozorovat na osciloskopu s opto hlavou onen signal s tvou verzi vysilace a "moji" versi. > Ano na konci obdelniku je to spise oblouk nez zakulacena hrana, ale to ten tvuj vysilac dela taky. > Neco jineho je 4220, tak je opravdu na nic a je treba vyrobit tvuj vysilac. Je potreba abys zaslal nejaky informace ktery tuhle teorii potvrzujou. HS4230 a HSDL4220 co ja vim se lisej jen v optickym pouzdru takze se mi tomu nechce verit. > Tim odpovidam na to, ze rad pomaham. A to predevsim na PRIVAT maily, ktere mi chodi. > No popravde vse napalim na CD a zrejme bude putovat nekam na web. > Vcera jsem se vratil z nemocnice z Usti, kde mi rekli, ze jsem mel byt uz 2 tydny mrtvej. Na co jsi mel uz byt 2 tydny mrtvej? > Kolik casu je prede mnou to nevim, ale musim stihnou 100Mbps, 1000Mbps, 24GHz mikrovlnu (asi s Insaderem) a > dokopat radiovou sit na Magistratu do lepsiho celku. > Na kazdej pad Karle, at si jakej si. NAKOPNUL si nas VSECHNY nejakym FUNKCNIM smerem. Smyslem Ronji neni nakopnout vyvojare, ale vytvorit navod podle kteryho to kazdej postavi bez problemu, bude mu to fungovat bez problemu a v ramci toho aby to pokud mozno trvalo co nejmin postavit, moc to nestalo a soucastky se daly rozumne sehnat. > A za to ti patri muj nehynouci obdiv a hlubokosklon No diky ale tenhle vedlejsi efekt co popisujes podle me zadnej moc vyznam nema. CL< > Zdarec lidi, dam si opet Tramal150. Jinak mi pukne telo. > -=RYS=-? > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: ladmanj at volny.cz > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > CC: > > Datum: 16.05.2006 16:38 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] pktloss, bertest a ronjaping > > > > Dne po 15. kv?tna 2006 15:02 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > Zkus se zeptat Karla nebo LadmanJa, jestli uz maj autonegatio/autoMDI-x > > > na GPL reseni. > > Atonegotiation mam, pracuju na novy verzi, kde bude interface s vysilacem > > v jednom. > > Auto MDI-X neni a zatim nebude, protoze by se mi to do pouziteho cpld uz > > neveslo a vetsi uz je v kusovce drahy. Slo by to resit to extra > > jednocipem, nebo externi delickou kmitoctu, ale to je v obou pripadech > > integrovany obvod navic a to nechci, v tomto konkretnim pripade si > > zakladam na tom, ze jsou jenom tri integrace. > > > > > > > Bohuzel, reseni ktere mam ne GPL neni.... tenhle CPU neni pod Linux. > > > http://ok1mjo.zajsoft.net/all/TP_Zde.jpg > > > -=RYS=- > > > > Jak tenhle cpu neni pod linux? To nejak nechapu, ja pisu pro AVRka a > > prekladam to pod linuxem prekladacem gcc. Driv jsem obcas neco napsal pro > > 51 a pro to je taky prekladac pod linux. Pro PICy je jen assembler, ale > > taky je. To by me moc zajimalo jaky jednocip tam mas. > > Pro radu freescale (motorola) cpucek je taky prekladac pod linux. > > > > Navic kdo tu mluvi o linuxu? Tady jde o open source - otevrene zdrojove > > kody. > > > > Myslim si, ze ty proste jen nic zverejnovat nechces, tak to proste priznej > > a strc si ten svuj interface nastorc do prdele. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat May 20 09:16:30 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:16:30 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors Message-ID: <20060520081630.GA8977@kestrel> I found the ratings of the contacts. Nominal Voltage is 125VAC and current 5A. That means that with 9-pin connector it's possible to transfer up to 4*5*125=2.5kW of power :) And they are really dead ubiquitous. CL< From glo at glottis.net Sat May 20 11:30:40 2006 From: glo at glottis.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:30:40 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors References: <20060520081630.GA8977@kestrel> Message-ID: <000c01c67bf8$7146d090$0103450a@Glottis> skoda ze nejsme v americe co? se 110V v zasuvce, mohl by si si na to dat rychlovarnou konvici glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors > I found the ratings of the contacts. Nominal Voltage is 125VAC and current > 5A. That means that with 9-pin connector it's possible to transfer up to > 4*5*125=2.5kW of power :) > > And they are really dead ubiquitous. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat May 20 17:43:57 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 18:43:57 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors In-Reply-To: <000c01c67bf8$7146d090$0103450a@Glottis> References: <20060520081630.GA8977@kestrel> <000c01c67bf8$7146d090$0103450a@Glottis> Message-ID: <20060520164357.GA13461@kestrel.barix.local> On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 12:30:40PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > skoda ze nejsme v americe co? se 110V v zasuvce, mohl by si si na to dat > rychlovarnou konvici Yes, that's one thing Quintus failed to suggest - implementing a tea kettle in Ronja. Btw Quintus resubscribed under a different name (from which it's however obvious that it's him). The whole optical head could have massive heating element and additional lid on the top and a tap on the bottom. One would fill it with water (possibly natural, by omitting the sealing, see Jakub Ladman) and then turn on and after it would start boiling, insert tea bags and sugar. Then he could watch the colour of the tea through the lens. Finally he would open the tap and fill tea cups. It could be handy if one were installing Ronja in a freezing weather :) CL< > > glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:16 AM > Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors > > > > I found the ratings of the contacts. Nominal Voltage is 125VAC and current > > 5A. That means that with 9-pin connector it's possible to transfer up to > > 4*5*125=2.5kW of power :) > > > > And they are really dead ubiquitous. > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Sat May 20 18:50:56 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 19:50:56 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors In-Reply-To: <000c01c67bf8$7146d090$0103450a@Glottis> References: <20060520081630.GA8977@kestrel> <000c01c67bf8$7146d090$0103450a@Glottis> Message-ID: <446F5700.9010207@kbx.cz> Mohl by si si :] spravne cesky je mohl by sis ... Stejne tak jako se nekterym lidem prici tvar abyste ( je vsak take spisovny) K In english: some czech language corectness stuf... Michal Malusek napsal(a): > skoda ze nejsme v americe co? se 110V v zasuvce, mohl by si si na to dat > rychlovarnou konvici > > glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:16 AM > Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors > > > >>I found the ratings of the contacts. Nominal Voltage is 125VAC and current >>5A. That means that with 9-pin connector it's possible to transfer up to >>4*5*125=2.5kW of power :) >> >>And they are really dead ubiquitous. >> >>CL< >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: kubajz.vcf Typ: text/x-vcard Velikost: 265 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060520/b5d7227c/attachment.vcf From clock at twibright.com Sun May 21 10:54:05 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:54:05 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Twister2 is working Message-ID: <20060521095405.GA6096@kestrel> I have tested Twister2 and it's working, with 0% packetloss http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html It was initially not working, but after closer inspections I found 1 short between SMD pins and 1 unsoldered TMD pin. Fixed that and it still didn't work. But touching in particular place caused the packetloss to drop below 100%. After closer inspection of that place I found 2 SMD pins that appeared almost like soldered, but could be lifted up. After fixing this it started to work :) In the middle 2 colums you can see 0% packetloss. CL< From anmic at fmg.sk Sun May 21 11:51:08 2006 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 12:51:08 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Twister2 is working In-Reply-To: <20060521095405.GA6096@kestrel> References: <20060521095405.GA6096@kestrel> Message-ID: <4470461C.8040808@fmg.sk> Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > I have tested Twister2 and it's working, with 0% packetloss > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html > > It was initially not working, but after closer inspections I found 1 > short between SMD pins and 1 unsoldered TMD pin. Fixed that and it still > didn't work. But touching in particular place caused the packetloss to > drop below 100%. After closer inspection of that place I found 2 SMD > pins that appeared almost like soldered, but could be lifted up. After > fixing this it started to work :) > Are you planning to do any measurement to confirm the Twister2 solves interference issues? J. Matyas > In the middle 2 colums you can see 0% packetloss. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Sun May 21 12:41:33 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:41:33 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Twister2 is working In-Reply-To: <4470461C.8040808@fmg.sk> References: <20060521095405.GA6096@kestrel> <4470461C.8040808@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <20060521114133.GA6854@kestrel> On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 12:51:08PM +0200, anMic wrote: > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > I have tested Twister2 and it's working, with 0% packetloss > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html > > > > It was initially not working, but after closer inspections I found 1 > > short between SMD pins and 1 unsoldered TMD pin. Fixed that and it still > > didn't work. But touching in particular place caused the packetloss to > > drop below 100%. After closer inspection of that place I found 2 SMD > > pins that appeared almost like soldered, but could be lifted up. After > > fixing this it started to work :) > > > > Are you planning to do any measurement to confirm the > Twister2 solves interference issues? Yes. First I need to complete the case and then buy a STP cable, replace the provisional UTP cable with STP, and test again like with the original Twister. CL< > > J. Matyas > > > In the middle 2 colums you can see 0% packetloss. > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From anmic at fmg.sk Sun May 21 17:11:05 2006 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 18:11:05 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Twister2 is working In-Reply-To: <20060521114133.GA6854@kestrel> References: <20060521095405.GA6096@kestrel> <4470461C.8040808@fmg.sk> <20060521114133.GA6854@kestrel> Message-ID: <44709119.3010108@fmg.sk> Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 12:51:08PM +0200, anMic wrote: > >>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >>>pins that appeared almost like soldered, but could be lifted up. After >>>fixing this it started to work :) >>> >> >>Are you planning to do any measurement to confirm the >>Twister2 solves interference issues? > > > Yes. First I need to complete the case and then buy a STP cable, replace > the provisional UTP cable with STP, and test again like with the original > Twister. How will the box look like? Are there any drawings on the web? How is the PCB mounted to the box? Soldered round the edges? JM > > CL< > >>J. Matyas >> From clock at twibright.com Sun May 21 18:39:17 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 19:39:17 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Twister2 is working In-Reply-To: <44709119.3010108@fmg.sk> References: <20060521095405.GA6096@kestrel> <4470461C.8040808@fmg.sk> <20060521114133.GA6854@kestrel> <44709119.3010108@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <20060521173917.GA9975@kestrel.barix.local> On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 06:11:05PM +0200, anMic wrote: > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 12:51:08PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > > >>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > >>>pins that appeared almost like soldered, but could be lifted up. After > >>>fixing this it started to work :) > >>> > >> > >>Are you planning to do any measurement to confirm the > >>Twister2 solves interference issues? > > > > > > Yes. First I need to complete the case and then buy a STP cable, replace > > the provisional UTP cable with STP, and test again like with the original > > Twister. > > How will the box look like? Are there any drawings on the > web? How is the PCB mounted to the box? Soldered round the > edges? There are only 2 parts of the box designed, search for twister2 here http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/ CL< > > JM > > > > > CL< > > > >>J. Matyas > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon May 22 09:43:11 2006 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:43:11 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Twister2 is working In-Reply-To: <20060521095405.GA6096@kestrel> References: <20060521095405.GA6096@kestrel> Message-ID: <200605221043.11846.ladmanj@volny.cz> Mus?m uznat, ?e takhle na pohled, vypad? rozhodn? l?p ne? jedni?ka. Co se t??e vzhledu i co se t??e rozvr?en?. Kladn? hodnot?m i SM technologii. Jakub Dne ne 21. kv?tna 2006 11:54 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > I have tested Twister2 and it's working, with 0% packetloss > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html > > It was initially not working, but after closer inspections I found 1 > short between SMD pins and 1 unsoldered TMD pin. Fixed that and it still > didn't work. But touching in particular place caused the packetloss to > drop below 100%. After closer inspection of that place I found 2 SMD > pins that appeared almost like soldered, but could be lifted up. After > fixing this it started to work :) > > In the middle 2 colums you can see 0% packetloss. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon May 22 09:55:37 2006 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:55:37 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Twister2 is working References: <20060521095405.GA6096@kestrel> <200605221043.11846.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000b01c67d7d$7f3cc1b0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> Na to je dobre vsechny piny prejet jehlou nebo spendlikem. Ty nezapajene odskoci ... Cipis > I have tested Twister2 and it's working, with 0% packetloss > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html > After closer inspection of that place I found 2 SMD > pins that appeared almost like soldered, but could be lifted up. After > fixing this it started to work :) > > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja na lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon May 22 11:09:34 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:09:34 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Vypocet vzdalenosti radiozalohy Message-ID: <200605221209.7063@centrum.cz> Mozna se to nekomu bude hodit pro vypocet radiozalohy. -=RYS=- ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060522/7f87f152/attachment-0001.html ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Typ: image/gif Velikost: 24347 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060522/7f87f152/attachment-0001.gif From Divis.M at seznam.cz Mon May 22 19:16:23 2006 From: Divis.M at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal=20Divi=B9?=) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:16:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ronja] Tx low intensity Message-ID: <2139.4898-27496-441300427-1148321783@seznam.cz> Nazdar, mel bych problem, mam Tx na plosnacich od KJS - SMD verze, spoj funguje, ale jeden vysilac sviti mnohem mene - pri posviceni na Rx mam RSSI 1.8V, pri prohozeni Tx modulu tam mam 3.6V. Diodou to neni, zkousel jsem ji vymenit (mam tam Fka). Hi, I have problem with one Tx module - (SMD PCB version by KJS), Ronja is working, but with RSSI 1,8V, if i switch Tx modules, RSSI will increase to 3,6V. It is not diode problem, I already tried to change LED. BR, Michal From clock at twibright.com Mon May 22 19:46:21 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:46:21 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Spirit lacquer on IKEA box Message-ID: <20060522184621.GA25588@kestrel.barix.local> The tinned steel of IKEA box is sometimes hard to solder. Seems there is some kind of transparent lacquer on it. I discovered it seems to be easily removable by ordinary alcohol (or isopropyl probably too). Without it is sometimes hard to solder on and after wiping with alcohol it's dead easy. I'll put this information along the information about IKEA box too. CL< From anmic at fmg.sk Mon May 22 20:45:06 2006 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:45:06 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Tx low intensity In-Reply-To: <2139.4898-27496-441300427-1148321783@seznam.cz> References: <2139.4898-27496-441300427-1148321783@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <447214C2.9040605@fmg.sk> Michal Divi? napsal(a): > Nazdar, mel bych problem, mam Tx na plosnacich od KJS - SMD verze, spoj funguje, ale jeden vysilac sviti mnohem mene - pri posviceni na Rx mam RSSI 1.8V, pri prohozeni Tx modulu tam mam 3.6V. Diodou to neni, zkousel jsem ji vymenit (mam tam Fka). Jake jsou hodnoty testpointu? Nejake odchylky od beznych hodnot? J. Matyas > > Hi, I have problem with one Tx module - (SMD PCB version by KJS), Ronja is working, but with RSSI 1,8V, if i switch Tx modules, RSSI will increase to 3,6V. It is not diode problem, I already tried to change LED. > > BR, Michal > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From Divis.M at seznam.cz Tue May 23 08:09:44 2006 From: Divis.M at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal=20Divi=B9?=) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:09:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ronja] Tx low intensity In-Reply-To: <447214C2.9040605@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <2147.4915-15228-823370238-1148368184@seznam.cz> Ne, testpointy byly OK. > ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > Od: anMic > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tx low intensity > Datum: 22.5.2006 21:46:04 > ---------------------------------------- > Michal Divi? napsal(a): > > Nazdar, mel bych problem, mam Tx na plosnacich od KJS - SMD verze, spoj > funguje, ale jeden vysilac sviti mnohem mene - pri posviceni na Rx mam RSSI > 1.8V, pri prohozeni Tx modulu tam mam 3.6V. Diodou to neni, zkousel jsem ji > vymenit (mam tam Fka). > > Jake jsou hodnoty testpointu? Nejake odchylky od beznych hodnot? > > J. Matyas > > > > > Hi, I have problem with one Tx module - (SMD PCB version by KJS), Ronja is > working, but with RSSI 1,8V, if i switch Tx modules, RSSI will increase to 3,6V. > It is not diode problem, I already tried to change LED. > > > > BR, Michal > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue May 23 17:26:46 2006 From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:26:46 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Tx low intensity In-Reply-To: <2147.4915-15228-823370238-1148368184@seznam.cz> References: <2147.4915-15228-823370238-1148368184@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1148401606.447337c63fb43@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Muze byt i vadna dioda. Ale spis tam muzes mit jinou hodnotu 10N kondenzatoru v signalove ceste. Obzvlaste GMaci nejak neprijemne casto michaj soucastky. > Ne, testpointy byly OK. > > > ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > > Od: anMic > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tx low intensity > > Datum: 22.5.2006 21:46:04 > > ---------------------------------------- > > Michal Divi? napsal(a): > > > Nazdar, mel bych problem, mam Tx na plosnacich od KJS - SMD verze, spoj > > funguje, ale jeden vysilac sviti mnohem mene - pri posviceni na Rx mam > RSSI > > 1.8V, pri prohozeni Tx modulu tam mam 3.6V. Diodou to neni, zkousel jsem > ji > > vymenit (mam tam Fka). > > > > Jake jsou hodnoty testpointu? Nejake odchylky od beznych hodnot? > > > > J. Matyas > > > > > > > > Hi, I have problem with one Tx module - (SMD PCB version by KJS), Ronja > is > > working, but with RSSI 1,8V, if i switch Tx modules, RSSI will increase to > 3,6V. > > It is not diode problem, I already tried to change LED. > > > > > > BR, Michal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From anmic at fmg.sk Tue May 23 20:38:27 2006 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:38:27 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Tx low intensity In-Reply-To: <1148401606.447337c63fb43@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <2147.4915-15228-823370238-1148368184@seznam.cz> <1148401606.447337c63fb43@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <447364B3.9090107@fmg.sk> Petr Seliger napsal(a): > Muze byt i vadna dioda. Ale spis tam muzes mit jinou hodnotu 10N kondenzatoru v > signalove ceste. Obzvlaste GMaci nejak neprijemne casto michaj soucastky. Mam podobne zkusenosti. V GM mi casto pletou keramicke 10n/100n (ty zlute kapky, vzhledove se nelisi). JM > > >>Ne, testpointy byly OK. >> >> >>>------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ >>>Od: anMic >>>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tx low intensity >>>Datum: 22.5.2006 21:46:04 >>>---------------------------------------- >>>Michal Divi? napsal(a): >>> >>>>Nazdar, mel bych problem, mam Tx na plosnacich od KJS - SMD verze, spoj >>> >>>funguje, ale jeden vysilac sviti mnohem mene - pri posviceni na Rx mam >> >>RSSI >> >>>1.8V, pri prohozeni Tx modulu tam mam 3.6V. Diodou to neni, zkousel jsem >> >>ji >> >>>vymenit (mam tam Fka). >>> >>>Jake jsou hodnoty testpointu? Nejake odchylky od beznych hodnot? >>> >>>J. Matyas >>> >>> >>>>Hi, I have problem with one Tx module - (SMD PCB version by KJS), Ronja >> >>is >> >>>working, but with RSSI 1,8V, if i switch Tx modules, RSSI will increase to >> >>3,6V. >> >>>It is not diode problem, I already tried to change LED. >>> >>>>BR, Michal >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja at lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From eldis111 at seznam.cz Tue May 23 21:59:18 2006 From: eldis111 at seznam.cz (eldis111) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:59:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ronja] Tx low intensity In-Reply-To: <447364B3.9090107@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <1163.2558-10793-819455739-1148417958@seznam.cz> no to me ani nerikejte, ja na ty jejich popisky spolihal.. no tak to je v haji :) > Petr Seliger napsal(a): > > Muze byt i vadna dioda. Ale spis tam muzes mit jinou hodnotu 10N kondenzatoru > v > > signalove ceste. Obzvlaste GMaci nejak neprijemne casto michaj soucastky. > > Mam podobne zkusenosti. V GM mi casto pletou keramicke > 10n/100n (ty zlute kapky, vzhledove se nelisi). > > JM > > > > > > >>Ne, testpointy byly OK. > >> > >> > >>>------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > >>>Od: anMic > >>>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tx low intensity > >>>Datum: 22.5.2006 21:46:04 > >>>---------------------------------------- > >>>Michal Divi? napsal(a): > >>> > >>>>Nazdar, mel bych problem, mam Tx na plosnacich od KJS - SMD verze, spoj > >>> > >>>funguje, ale jeden vysilac sviti mnohem mene - pri posviceni na Rx mam > >> > >>RSSI > >> > >>>1.8V, pri prohozeni Tx modulu tam mam 3.6V. Diodou to neni, zkousel jsem > >> > >>ji > >> > >>>vymenit (mam tam Fka). > >>> > >>>Jake jsou hodnoty testpointu? Nejake odchylky od beznych hodnot? > >>> > >>>J. Matyas > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hi, I have problem with one Tx module - (SMD PCB version by KJS), Ronja > >> > >>is > >> > >>>working, but with RSSI 1,8V, if i switch Tx modules, RSSI will increase to > >> > >>3,6V. > >> > >>>It is not diode problem, I already tried to change LED. > >>> > >>>>BR, Michal > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net > >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja na lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue May 23 22:12:40 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:12:40 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Tx low intensity In-Reply-To: <2147.4915-15228-823370238-1148368184@seznam.cz> References: <447214C2.9040605@fmg.sk> <2147.4915-15228-823370238-1148368184@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <200605232312.29154@centrum.cz> 1) Vyletuj R11 jestli ma opravdu 8.2 ohmu. 2) Vyletuj Q1+Q2 a premer jestli maji stejne zesileni Beta. 3) Vymen U1+U2+U3. -=RYS=- ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Divis.M na seznam.cz > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: 23.05.2006 09:10 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tx low intensity > > Ne, testpointy byly OK. > > > ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > > Od: anMic > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tx low intensity > > Datum: 22.5.2006 21:46:04 > > ---------------------------------------- > > Michal Divi? napsal(a): > > > Nazdar, mel bych problem, mam Tx na plosnacich od KJS - SMD verze, > spoj > > funguje, ale jeden vysilac sviti mnohem mene - pri posviceni na Rx mam > RSSI > > 1.8V, pri prohozeni Tx modulu tam mam 3.6V. Diodou to neni, zkousel jsem > ji > > vymenit (mam tam Fka). > > > Jake jsou hodnoty testpointu? Nejake odchylky od beznych hodnot? > > > J. Matyas > > > > > > Hi, I have problem with one Tx module - (SMD PCB version by > KJS), Ronja is > > working, but with RSSI 1,8V, if i switch Tx modules, RSSI will increase > to 3,6V. > > It is not diode problem, I already tried to change LED. > > > > > BR, Michal > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060523/8ca69ab1/attachment.html From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed May 24 10:31:25 2006 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:31:25 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu In-Reply-To: <1147780521.4469bda97308c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> <1147780521.4469bda97308c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <200605241131.25396.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne ?t 16. kv?tna 2006 13:55 Petr Seliger napsal(a): > Mas recht. Se me vloudila jeste chybicka: > 1 oranz/bl - GND nebo vystup- > 2 oranzovy - vystup nebo vystup+ > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI- (GND) > 4 modry - +12V > 5 modry/bl - GND > 6 zeleny - RSSI+ > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > 8 hnedy - +12V Omlouvam se ze reaguji pozde. 4,5 a 7,8 tak jak je navrzeno nepovazuji za spravne. Pouzil bych radeji to co se pouziva jako jedna moznost v PoE a sice 4,5 jeden pol napajeni a 7,8 druhy pol (oba draty paru paralelne) 1) puvodni duvod je ze by se pri prohozeni paru mohlo napajeci napeti dostat na vinuti trafa v sitovce, pokud jsou draty paru propojene, nic se nedeje. 2) mohlo by dojit ke zniceni PoE zdroje (no nejspis ne, ale stejne to neni fajn), pokud by ho nekdo omylem pripojil na ten prijimac, Protoze pak by doslo ke zkratu. Jakub Ladman > > Ted je to snad uz spravne. S tim telefonem to snad nebude tak hrozne. > Pouziva to vubec jeste nekdo? > S tim luxeonem to taky neni hrozny, mam tam spinany menik a ten bere max > 400mA. Ale pouzivam polymerni pojistky a ty je potreba dimenzovat aby to s > nima nabehlo i v letnich vedrech. Spicka pri nabiti elytu nekdy pojistku > ohreje a pak uz staci maly proud aby zustala rozepnuta. > > > 4, 5 a 7, 8 souhlas > > Jedine mozne nebezpeci je pri pripojeni na nejakou redukci z tlf., > > protoze na prostrednim paru (4, 5) je linkove napeti 60 V, na 7, 8 se > > obcas pripojuje fax. > > Jinak bych se primlouval k prohozeni polarity, tj. barva plus a bily > > (barevnobily) minus. > > Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne by > > se > > nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na > > luxeon > > bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Petr Seliger" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:15 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > > > > Zdar, > > > snazim se vymyslet nejaky blbovzdorny standard na propojeni ronja > > > modulu eventualne spidera pomoci UTP/STP misto koaxu. > > > Pozadavky jsou: > > > 1) zadny draty mezi TX a RX > > > 2) moznost pouzit stavajici RX stejne jako RX se symetrickym vystupem > > > 2) melo by to prezit zapojeni do poe > > > 3) musi prezit sitova karta kdyz se to do ni omylem zapoji > > > 4) snadne pripojeni 2* TX na dualhead > > > 5) konektor RJ45 nebo cannon na twisteru2 > > > > > > Navrh je takovy: > > > 1 oranz/bl - vystup nebo vystup- > > > 2 oranzovy - GND nebo vystup+ (na interfacu by mel byt propojka na > > > > GND) > > > > > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI+ > > > 4 modry - +12V > > > 5 modry/bl - GND > > > 6 zeleny - RSSI- (GND je pripojeno pouze v RX,kvuli eliminaci chyby > > > > zemni smycky) > > > > > 8 hnedy - +12V > > > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > > > > > > Stineni STP/FTP se pripoji pouze na strane interface. > > > > > > + na interfacu je el. pojistka na 0.25A na RX a 0,5A na TX (resp 2A na > > > TX > > > > s > > > > > luxeonem) > > > > > > Nejake navrhy? > > > > > > Petr > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Wed May 24 14:09:31 2006 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:09:31 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno><1147780521.4469bda97308c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <200605241131.25396.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <001d01c67f33$4be86960$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> Tak to jsem zasadne proti. Defacto tim zabijes oba pary - krouceni ztrati smysl. Stejne jak spletes barvy v paru, tak spletes i pary mezi sebou. A rozhodne je daleko snazsi dodrzet barva plus a bila (bilo-barevna) minus nez si pamatovat, ktery zniceny_par je plus a ktery minus. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu Dne ?t 16. kv?tna 2006 13:55 Petr Seliger napsal(a): > Mas recht. Se me vloudila jeste chybicka: > 1 oranz/bl - GND nebo vystup- > 2 oranzovy - vystup nebo vystup+ > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI- (GND) > 4 modry - +12V > 5 modry/bl - GND > 6 zeleny - RSSI+ > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > 8 hnedy - +12V Omlouvam se ze reaguji pozde. 4,5 a 7,8 tak jak je navrzeno nepovazuji za spravne. Pouzil bych radeji to co se pouziva jako jedna moznost v PoE a sice 4,5 jeden pol napajeni a 7,8 druhy pol (oba draty paru paralelne) 1) puvodni duvod je ze by se pri prohozeni paru mohlo napajeci napeti dostat na vinuti trafa v sitovce, pokud jsou draty paru propojene, nic se nedeje. 2) mohlo by dojit ke zniceni PoE zdroje (no nejspis ne, ale stejne to neni fajn), pokud by ho nekdo omylem pripojil na ten prijimac, Protoze pak by doslo ke zkratu. Jakub Ladman > > Ted je to snad uz spravne. S tim telefonem to snad nebude tak hrozne. > Pouziva to vubec jeste nekdo? > S tim luxeonem to taky neni hrozny, mam tam spinany menik a ten bere max > 400mA. Ale pouzivam polymerni pojistky a ty je potreba dimenzovat aby to s > nima nabehlo i v letnich vedrech. Spicka pri nabiti elytu nekdy pojistku > ohreje a pak uz staci maly proud aby zustala rozepnuta. > > > 4, 5 a 7, 8 souhlas > > Jedine mozne nebezpeci je pri pripojeni na nejakou redukci z tlf., > > protoze na prostrednim paru (4, 5) je linkove napeti 60 V, na 7, 8 se > > obcas pripojuje fax. > > Jinak bych se primlouval k prohozeni polarity, tj. barva plus a bily > > (barevnobily) minus. > > Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne by > > se > > nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na > > luxeon > > bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Petr Seliger" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:15 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > > > > Zdar, > > > snazim se vymyslet nejaky blbovzdorny standard na propojeni ronja > > > modulu eventualne spidera pomoci UTP/STP misto koaxu. > > > Pozadavky jsou: > > > 1) zadny draty mezi TX a RX > > > 2) moznost pouzit stavajici RX stejne jako RX se symetrickym vystupem > > > 2) melo by to prezit zapojeni do poe > > > 3) musi prezit sitova karta kdyz se to do ni omylem zapoji > > > 4) snadne pripojeni 2* TX na dualhead > > > 5) konektor RJ45 nebo cannon na twisteru2 > > > > > > Navrh je takovy: > > > 1 oranz/bl - vystup nebo vystup- > > > 2 oranzovy - GND nebo vystup+ (na interfacu by mel byt propojka na > > > > GND) > > > > > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI+ > > > 4 modry - +12V > > > 5 modry/bl - GND > > > 6 zeleny - RSSI- (GND je pripojeno pouze v RX,kvuli eliminaci chyby > > > > zemni smycky) > > > > > 8 hnedy - +12V > > > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > > > > > > Stineni STP/FTP se pripoji pouze na strane interface. > > > > > > + na interfacu je el. pojistka na 0.25A na RX a 0,5A na TX (resp 2A na > > > TX > > > > s > > > > > luxeonem) > > > > > > Nejake navrhy? > > > > > > Petr > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja na lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From coolex at hkfree.org Wed May 24 15:01:06 2006 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool/Explosion) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:01:06 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu In-Reply-To: <001d01c67f33$4be86960$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno><1147780521.4469bda97308c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <200605241131.25396.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001d01c67f33$4be86960$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> Message-ID: <44746722.8080606@hkfree.org> Ja sem stejneho nazoru jako Jakub, jelikoz nevidi vyuziti krouceni v pripade napajeni a protoze pasivni POE co se prodavaj pouzivaj 4,5 jako + a 7,8 jako - Ja mam takovymto zpusobem napajeny treba WRAPy a tak bych se nemusel bat ze kdyz to prohodim ze si neco odpalim... A taky by se dali pouzit i hotove veci ktere jsou normalne v prodeji... Cipis wrote: >Tak to jsem zasadne proti. >Defacto tim zabijes oba pary - krouceni ztrati smysl. >Stejne jak spletes barvy v paru, tak spletes i pary mezi sebou. >A rozhodne je daleko snazsi dodrzet barva plus a bila (bilo-barevna) minus >nez si pamatovat, ktery zniceny_par je plus a ktery minus. > >Cipis > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jakub Ladman" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:31 AM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > >Dne ?t 16. kv?tna 2006 13:55 Petr Seliger napsal(a): > > >>Mas recht. Se me vloudila jeste chybicka: >>1 oranz/bl - GND nebo vystup- >>2 oranzovy - vystup nebo vystup+ >>3 zeleny/b - RSSI- (GND) >>4 modry - +12V >>5 modry/bl - GND >>6 zeleny - RSSI+ >>7 hnedy/bl - GND >>8 hnedy - +12V >> >> >Omlouvam se ze reaguji pozde. > >4,5 a 7,8 tak jak je navrzeno nepovazuji za spravne. Pouzil bych radeji to >co >se pouziva jako jedna moznost v PoE a sice 4,5 jeden pol napajeni a 7,8 >druhy >pol (oba draty paru paralelne) >1) puvodni duvod je ze by se pri prohozeni paru mohlo napajeci napeti dostat >na vinuti trafa v sitovce, pokud jsou draty paru propojene, nic se nedeje. >2) mohlo by dojit ke zniceni PoE zdroje (no nejspis ne, ale stejne to neni >fajn), pokud by ho nekdo omylem pripojil na ten prijimac, Protoze pak by >doslo ke zkratu. > >Jakub Ladman > > > > >>Ted je to snad uz spravne. S tim telefonem to snad nebude tak hrozne. >>Pouziva to vubec jeste nekdo? >>S tim luxeonem to taky neni hrozny, mam tam spinany menik a ten bere max >>400mA. Ale pouzivam polymerni pojistky a ty je potreba dimenzovat aby to s >>nima nabehlo i v letnich vedrech. Spicka pri nabiti elytu nekdy pojistku >>ohreje a pak uz staci maly proud aby zustala rozepnuta. >> >> >> >>>4, 5 a 7, 8 souhlas >>>Jedine mozne nebezpeci je pri pripojeni na nejakou redukci z tlf., >>>protoze na prostrednim paru (4, 5) je linkove napeti 60 V, na 7, 8 se >>>obcas pripojuje fax. >>>Jinak bych se primlouval k prohozeni polarity, tj. barva plus a bily >>>(barevnobily) minus. >>>Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne >>> >>> >by > > >>>se >>>nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na >>>luxeon >>>bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. >>> >>>Cipis >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Petr Seliger" >>>To: >>>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:15 PM >>>Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu >>> >>> >>> >>>>Zdar, >>>>snazim se vymyslet nejaky blbovzdorny standard na propojeni ronja >>>>modulu eventualne spidera pomoci UTP/STP misto koaxu. >>>>Pozadavky jsou: >>>>1) zadny draty mezi TX a RX >>>>2) moznost pouzit stavajici RX stejne jako RX se symetrickym vystupem >>>>2) melo by to prezit zapojeni do poe >>>>3) musi prezit sitova karta kdyz se to do ni omylem zapoji >>>>4) snadne pripojeni 2* TX na dualhead >>>>5) konektor RJ45 nebo cannon na twisteru2 >>>> >>>>Navrh je takovy: >>>>1 oranz/bl - vystup nebo vystup- >>>>2 oranzovy - GND nebo vystup+ (na interfacu by mel byt propojka na >>>> >>>> >>>GND) >>> >>> >>> >>>>3 zeleny/b - RSSI+ >>>>4 modry - +12V >>>>5 modry/bl - GND >>>>6 zeleny - RSSI- (GND je pripojeno pouze v RX,kvuli eliminaci chyby >>>> >>>> >>>zemni smycky) >>> >>> >>> >>>>8 hnedy - +12V >>>>7 hnedy/bl - GND >>>> >>>>Stineni STP/FTP se pripoji pouze na strane interface. >>>> >>>>+ na interfacu je el. pojistka na 0.25A na RX a 0,5A na TX (resp 2A na >>>>TX >>>> >>>> >>>s >>> >>> >>> >>>>luxeonem) >>>> >>>>Nejake navrhy? >>>> >>>>Petr >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja na lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja na lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- |==========================| | Cool/Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | | mail: coolex na hkfree.org | | oblasti: Rusek & Pouchov | |==========================| From seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed May 24 16:14:33 2006 From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:14:33 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu In-Reply-To: <44746722.8080606@hkfree.org> References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno><1147780521.4469bda97308c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <200605241131.25396.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001d01c67f33$4be86960$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> <44746722.8080606@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <1148483673.447478594a2a2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Co se tyce prohozeni dratu tak to neni tak horke. Pokud to zapojite podle standardu 5??A nebo B tak si prohodite pouze napajeni. Kontrola se pak omezuje vicemne na stridani bila/barevna. Co se tyce plnokrevnich zarizeni PoE, tak ty detekuji zkrat a napajeni do dratu vubec nepusti. Priorita je aby prezil prijimac, nebo twister nebo spider. Jestli si odpalim cinsky zdroj za par supu co prodava i4 jako poe, tak je me to docela sumak. > Ja sem stejneho nazoru jako Jakub, jelikoz nevidi vyuziti krouceni v > pripade napajeni a protoze pasivni POE co se prodavaj pouzivaj 4,5 jako > + a 7,8 jako - > Ja mam takovymto zpusobem napajeny treba WRAPy a tak bych se nemusel bat > ze kdyz to prohodim ze si neco odpalim... > A taky by se dali pouzit i hotove veci ktere jsou normalne v prodeji... > > > Cipis wrote: > > >Tak to jsem zasadne proti. > >Defacto tim zabijes oba pary - krouceni ztrati smysl. > >Stejne jak spletes barvy v paru, tak spletes i pary mezi sebou. > >A rozhodne je daleko snazsi dodrzet barva plus a bila (bilo-barevna) minus > >nez si pamatovat, ktery zniceny_par je plus a ktery minus. > > > >Cipis > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jakub Ladman" > >To: "Twibright Ronja" > >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:31 AM > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > > > > >Dne ?t 16. kv?tna 2006 13:55 Petr Seliger napsal(a): > > > > > >>Mas recht. Se me vloudila jeste chybicka: > >>1 oranz/bl - GND nebo vystup- > >>2 oranzovy - vystup nebo vystup+ > >>3 zeleny/b - RSSI- (GND) > >>4 modry - +12V > >>5 modry/bl - GND > >>6 zeleny - RSSI+ > >>7 hnedy/bl - GND > >>8 hnedy - +12V > >> > >> > >Omlouvam se ze reaguji pozde. > > > >4,5 a 7,8 tak jak je navrzeno nepovazuji za spravne. Pouzil bych radeji to > >co > >se pouziva jako jedna moznost v PoE a sice 4,5 jeden pol napajeni a 7,8 > >druhy > >pol (oba draty paru paralelne) > >1) puvodni duvod je ze by se pri prohozeni paru mohlo napajeci napeti From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Wed May 24 16:56:36 2006 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:56:36 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno><1147780521.4469bda97308c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><200605241131.25396.ladmanj@volny.cz><001d01c67f33$4be86960$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno><44746722.8080606@hkfree.org> <1148483673.447478594a2a2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <003701c67f4a$a3598be0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Hromada bordelu se dostava dovnitr i pres napajeni, takze krouceni ma svuj smysl. Navic je to stejnak ujete, jednak znicis par, jednak nedodrzis ani barvy pro +/-. Pokud uz napajeni poradne (vcetne toho pasivniho "POE"), tak na to by pak lepe poslouzil kabel treba 2x 1 + 2x 2x 0,5. A jeste k tomu "omylu" - kabelaz se ma pred pouzitim promerit a zkontrolovat, takze neexistuje nejake prehozene pary a podobne. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu Co se tyce prohozeni dratu tak to neni tak horke. Pokud to zapojite podle standardu 5??A nebo B tak si prohodite pouze napajeni. Kontrola se pak omezuje vicemne na stridani bila/barevna. Co se tyce plnokrevnich zarizeni PoE, tak ty detekuji zkrat a napajeni do dratu vubec nepusti. Priorita je aby prezil prijimac, nebo twister nebo spider. Jestli si odpalim cinsky zdroj za par supu co prodava i4 jako poe, tak je me to docela sumak. > Ja sem stejneho nazoru jako Jakub, jelikoz nevidi vyuziti krouceni v > pripade napajeni a protoze pasivni POE co se prodavaj pouzivaj 4,5 jako > + a 7,8 jako - > Ja mam takovymto zpusobem napajeny treba WRAPy a tak bych se nemusel bat > ze kdyz to prohodim ze si neco odpalim... > A taky by se dali pouzit i hotove veci ktere jsou normalne v prodeji... > > > Cipis wrote: > > >Tak to jsem zasadne proti. > >Defacto tim zabijes oba pary - krouceni ztrati smysl. > >Stejne jak spletes barvy v paru, tak spletes i pary mezi sebou. > >A rozhodne je daleko snazsi dodrzet barva plus a bila (bilo-barevna) minus > >nez si pamatovat, ktery zniceny_par je plus a ktery minus. > > > >Cipis > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jakub Ladman" > >To: "Twibright Ronja" > >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:31 AM > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > > > > >Dne ?t 16. kv?tna 2006 13:55 Petr Seliger napsal(a): > > > > > >>Mas recht. Se me vloudila jeste chybicka: > >>1 oranz/bl - GND nebo vystup- > >>2 oranzovy - vystup nebo vystup+ > >>3 zeleny/b - RSSI- (GND) > >>4 modry - +12V > >>5 modry/bl - GND > >>6 zeleny - RSSI+ > >>7 hnedy/bl - GND > >>8 hnedy - +12V > >> > >> > >Omlouvam se ze reaguji pozde. > > > >4,5 a 7,8 tak jak je navrzeno nepovazuji za spravne. Pouzil bych radeji to > >co > >se pouziva jako jedna moznost v PoE a sice 4,5 jeden pol napajeni a 7,8 > >druhy > >pol (oba draty paru paralelne) > >1) puvodni duvod je ze by se pri prohozeni paru mohlo napajeci napeti _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja na lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed May 24 17:14:49 2006 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:14:49 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu In-Reply-To: <001d01c67f33$4be86960$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <200605241131.25396.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001d01c67f33$4be86960$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> Message-ID: <200605241814.49667.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne st 24. kv?tna 2006 15:09 Cipis napsal(a): > Tak to jsem zasadne proti. > Defacto tim zabijes oba pary - krouceni ztrati smysl. To je pravda, ale u toho stejnosmernyho napajeni se to da ozelet, pokud se neodflakne filtrace. > Stejne jak spletes barvy v paru, tak spletes i pary mezi sebou. > A rozhodne je daleko snazsi dodrzet barva plus a bila (bilo-barevna) minus > nez si pamatovat, ktery zniceny_par je plus a ktery minus. > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > Dne ?t 16. kv?tna 2006 13:55 Petr Seliger napsal(a): > > Mas recht. Se me vloudila jeste chybicka: > > 1 oranz/bl - GND nebo vystup- > > 2 oranzovy - vystup nebo vystup+ > > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI- (GND) > > 4 modry - +12V > > 5 modry/bl - GND > > 6 zeleny - RSSI+ > > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > > 8 hnedy - +12V > > Omlouvam se ze reaguji pozde. > > 4,5 a 7,8 tak jak je navrzeno nepovazuji za spravne. Pouzil bych radeji to > co > se pouziva jako jedna moznost v PoE a sice 4,5 jeden pol napajeni a 7,8 > druhy > pol (oba draty paru paralelne) > 1) puvodni duvod je ze by se pri prohozeni paru mohlo napajeci napeti > dostat na vinuti trafa v sitovce, pokud jsou draty paru propojene, nic se > nedeje. 2) mohlo by dojit ke zniceni PoE zdroje (no nejspis ne, ale stejne > to neni fajn), pokud by ho nekdo omylem pripojil na ten prijimac, Protoze > pak by doslo ke zkratu. > > Jakub Ladman > > > Ted je to snad uz spravne. S tim telefonem to snad nebude tak hrozne. > > Pouziva to vubec jeste nekdo? > > S tim luxeonem to taky neni hrozny, mam tam spinany menik a ten bere max > > 400mA. Ale pouzivam polymerni pojistky a ty je potreba dimenzovat aby to > > s nima nabehlo i v letnich vedrech. Spicka pri nabiti elytu nekdy > > pojistku ohreje a pak uz staci maly proud aby zustala rozepnuta. > > > > > 4, 5 a 7, 8 souhlas > > > Jedine mozne nebezpeci je pri pripojeni na nejakou redukci z tlf., > > > protoze na prostrednim paru (4, 5) je linkove napeti 60 V, na 7, 8 se > > > obcas pripojuje fax. > > > Jinak bych se primlouval k prohozeni polarity, tj. barva plus a bily > > > (barevnobily) minus. > > > Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne > > by > > > > se > > > nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na > > > luxeon > > > bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Petr Seliger" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:15 PM > > > Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > > > > > > Zdar, > > > > snazim se vymyslet nejaky blbovzdorny standard na propojeni ronja > > > > modulu eventualne spidera pomoci UTP/STP misto koaxu. > > > > Pozadavky jsou: > > > > 1) zadny draty mezi TX a RX > > > > 2) moznost pouzit stavajici RX stejne jako RX se symetrickym vystupem > > > > 2) melo by to prezit zapojeni do poe > > > > 3) musi prezit sitova karta kdyz se to do ni omylem zapoji > > > > 4) snadne pripojeni 2* TX na dualhead > > > > 5) konektor RJ45 nebo cannon na twisteru2 > > > > > > > > Navrh je takovy: > > > > 1 oranz/bl - vystup nebo vystup- > > > > 2 oranzovy - GND nebo vystup+ (na interfacu by mel byt propojka > > > > na > > > > > > GND) > > > > > > > 3 zeleny/b - RSSI+ > > > > 4 modry - +12V > > > > 5 modry/bl - GND > > > > 6 zeleny - RSSI- (GND je pripojeno pouze v RX,kvuli eliminaci > > > > chyby > > > > > > zemni smycky) > > > > > > > 8 hnedy - +12V > > > > 7 hnedy/bl - GND > > > > > > > > Stineni STP/FTP se pripoji pouze na strane interface. > > > > > > > > + na interfacu je el. pojistka na 0.25A na RX a 0,5A na TX (resp 2A > > > > na TX > > > > > > s > > > > > > > luxeonem) > > > > > > > > Nejake navrhy? > > > > > > > > Petr > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From glo at glottis.net Wed May 24 17:33:10 2006 From: glo at glottis.net (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:33:10 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><006d01c678db$099860f0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno><1147780521.4469bda97308c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><200605241131.25396.ladmanj@volny.cz><001d01c67f33$4be86960$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno><44746722.8080606@hkfree.org><1148483673.447478594a2a2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <003701c67f4a$a3598be0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <000b01c67f4f$bebe6310$0103450a@Glottis> ty to promerujes kazdej kabel kterej cvaknes co? :) glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu Hromada bordelu se dostava dovnitr i pres napajeni, takze krouceni ma svuj smysl. Navic je to stejnak ujete, jednak znicis par, jednak nedodrzis ani barvy pro +/-. Pokud uz napajeni poradne (vcetne toho pasivniho "POE"), tak na to by pak lepe poslouzil kabel treba 2x 1 + 2x 2x 0,5. A jeste k tomu "omylu" - kabelaz se ma pred pouzitim promerit a zkontrolovat, takze neexistuje nejake prehozene pary a podobne. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu Co se tyce prohozeni dratu tak to neni tak horke. Pokud to zapojite podle standardu 5??A nebo B tak si prohodite pouze napajeni. Kontrola se pak omezuje vicemne na stridani bila/barevna. Co se tyce plnokrevnich zarizeni PoE, tak ty detekuji zkrat a napajeni do dratu vubec nepusti. Priorita je aby prezil prijimac, nebo twister nebo spider. Jestli si odpalim cinsky zdroj za par supu co prodava i4 jako poe, tak je me to docela sumak. > Ja sem stejneho nazoru jako Jakub, jelikoz nevidi vyuziti krouceni v > pripade napajeni a protoze pasivni POE co se prodavaj pouzivaj 4,5 jako > + a 7,8 jako - > Ja mam takovymto zpusobem napajeny treba WRAPy a tak bych se nemusel bat > ze kdyz to prohodim ze si neco odpalim... > A taky by se dali pouzit i hotove veci ktere jsou normalne v prodeji... > > > Cipis wrote: > > >Tak to jsem zasadne proti. > >Defacto tim zabijes oba pary - krouceni ztrati smysl. > >Stejne jak spletes barvy v paru, tak spletes i pary mezi sebou. > >A rozhodne je daleko snazsi dodrzet barva plus a bila (bilo-barevna) minus > >nez si pamatovat, ktery zniceny_par je plus a ktery minus. > > > >Cipis > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jakub Ladman" > >To: "Twibright Ronja" > >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:31 AM > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu > > > > > >Dne ?t 16. kv?tna 2006 13:55 Petr Seliger napsal(a): > > > > > >>Mas recht. Se me vloudila jeste chybicka: > >>1 oranz/bl - GND nebo vystup- > >>2 oranzovy - vystup nebo vystup+ > >>3 zeleny/b - RSSI- (GND) > >>4 modry - +12V > >>5 modry/bl - GND > >>6 zeleny - RSSI+ > >>7 hnedy/bl - GND > >>8 hnedy - +12V > >> > >> > >Omlouvam se ze reaguji pozde. > > > >4,5 a 7,8 tak jak je navrzeno nepovazuji za spravne. Pouzil bych radeji to > >co > >se pouziva jako jedna moznost v PoE a sice 4,5 jeden pol napajeni a 7,8 > >druhy > >pol (oba draty paru paralelne) > >1) puvodni duvod je ze by se pri prohozeni paru mohlo napajeci napeti _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja na lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja na lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu May 25 07:24:17 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:24:17 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 Message-ID: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html CL< From glo at glottis.net Thu May 25 09:13:55 2006 From: glo at glottis.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:13:55 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> Message-ID: <000d01c67fd3$2b0f7c60$0103450a@Glottis> proc tam jsou ty prepinace? to je na prepinani krizeni a loopbacku? prijde mi to neprakticke, lepsi byli jumpery ktere nikdo omylem neprepnul. pokud tam jumpery nahradou jdou dat tak to beru zpet. dal proc se tam ethernet kabel musi pajet? nebylo by lepsi tam dat rj45 konektor za 9korun? v jake norme presnosti jsi kreslil spoje? pokud nevys o co jde tak aspon jakou carou mas signalove cesty. obcas tam v tech stejnych carach zahlednu tenci spoj tak se ptam. jinak mam z toho pocit ze kdybych to nechal nekde osadit masinou tak si neodhaduju odhadnout vyteznost spravneho osazeni. pokud teda ten software vubec dovoluje neco takoveho generovat. glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Thu May 25 10:01:22 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:01:22 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <000d01c67fd3$2b0f7c60$0103450a@Glottis> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> <000d01c67fd3$2b0f7c60$0103450a@Glottis> Message-ID: <20060525090122.GA2263@kestrel> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 10:13:55AM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > proc tam jsou ty prepinace? to je na prepinani krizeni a loopbacku? prijde Yes. > mi to neprakticke, lepsi byli jumpery ktere nikdo omylem neprepnul. pokud > tam jumpery nahradou jdou dat tak to beru zpet. Jumpers have no option how to make them operable from outside without creating an EM leakage (at least no option about which I know). > > dal proc se tam ethernet kabel musi pajet? nebylo by lepsi tam dat rj45 > konektor za 9korun? 1) Because RJ45 connectors are unreliable 2) With a ethernel female, it's not a full=fledged interface and therefore it would lead to confusion. Someone would connect 100m of UTP and create a source of EM radiation > > v jake norme presnosti jsi kreslil spoje? pokud nevys o co jde tak aspon IV > jakou carou mas signalove cesty. obcas tam v tech stejnych carach zahlednu > tenci spoj tak se ptam. 0.3mm copper 0.35mm space > > jinak mam z toho pocit ze kdybych to nechal nekde osadit masinou tak si > neodhaduju odhadnout vyteznost spravneho osazeni. pokud teda ten software > vubec dovoluje neco takoveho generovat. PCB can generate XY files. CL< > > glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:24 AM > Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 > > > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From coolex at hkfree.org Thu May 25 10:08:55 2006 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool/Explosion) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:08:55 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu In-Reply-To: <200605241814.49667.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <1147774559.4469a65fe72ee@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <200605241131.25396.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001d01c67f33$4be86960$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> <200605241814.49667.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <44757427.100@hkfree.org> A co dat na kazdej vstup i vystup napajeni diody??? Kdyz to zapojis obracene stane se jen to ze to nepujde, ale nic tim neodpalis ;-) Jakub Ladman wrote: >Dne st 24. kv?tna 2006 15:09 Cipis napsal(a): > > >>Tak to jsem zasadne proti. >>Defacto tim zabijes oba pary - krouceni ztrati smysl. >> >> >To je pravda, ale u toho stejnosmernyho napajeni se to da ozelet, pokud se >neodflakne filtrace. > > > >>Stejne jak spletes barvy v paru, tak spletes i pary mezi sebou. >>A rozhodne je daleko snazsi dodrzet barva plus a bila (bilo-barevna) minus >>nez si pamatovat, ktery zniceny_par je plus a ktery minus. >> >>Cipis >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jakub Ladman" >>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:31 AM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu >> >>Dne ?t 16. kv?tna 2006 13:55 Petr Seliger napsal(a): >> >> >>>Mas recht. Se me vloudila jeste chybicka: >>>1 oranz/bl - GND nebo vystup- >>>2 oranzovy - vystup nebo vystup+ >>>3 zeleny/b - RSSI- (GND) >>>4 modry - +12V >>>5 modry/bl - GND >>>6 zeleny - RSSI+ >>>7 hnedy/bl - GND >>>8 hnedy - +12V >>> >>> >>Omlouvam se ze reaguji pozde. >> >>4,5 a 7,8 tak jak je navrzeno nepovazuji za spravne. Pouzil bych radeji to >>co >>se pouziva jako jedna moznost v PoE a sice 4,5 jeden pol napajeni a 7,8 >>druhy >>pol (oba draty paru paralelne) >>1) puvodni duvod je ze by se pri prohozeni paru mohlo napajeci napeti >>dostat na vinuti trafa v sitovce, pokud jsou draty paru propojene, nic se >>nedeje. 2) mohlo by dojit ke zniceni PoE zdroje (no nejspis ne, ale stejne >>to neni fajn), pokud by ho nekdo omylem pripojil na ten prijimac, Protoze >>pak by doslo ke zkratu. >> >>Jakub Ladman >> >> >> >>>Ted je to snad uz spravne. S tim telefonem to snad nebude tak hrozne. >>>Pouziva to vubec jeste nekdo? >>>S tim luxeonem to taky neni hrozny, mam tam spinany menik a ten bere max >>>400mA. Ale pouzivam polymerni pojistky a ty je potreba dimenzovat aby to >>>s nima nabehlo i v letnich vedrech. Spicka pri nabiti elytu nekdy >>>pojistku ohreje a pak uz staci maly proud aby zustala rozepnuta. >>> >>> >>> >>>>4, 5 a 7, 8 souhlas >>>>Jedine mozne nebezpeci je pri pripojeni na nejakou redukci z tlf., >>>>protoze na prostrednim paru (4, 5) je linkove napeti 60 V, na 7, 8 se >>>>obcas pripojuje fax. >>>>Jinak bych se primlouval k prohozeni polarity, tj. barva plus a bily >>>>(barevnobily) minus. >>>>Dale mam pripominku k proudu - 2A pres RJ konektor rozhodne ne, obecne >>>> >>>> >>by >> >> >> >>>>se >>>>nemel jeden pin toho konektoru zatezovat vic jak 100mA. Takze min. na >>>>luxeon >>>>bych to videl na jeste dalsi kabel s napajenim. >>>> >>>>Cipis >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Petr Seliger" >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:15 PM >>>>Subject: [Ronja] UTP misto koaxu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Zdar, >>>>>snazim se vymyslet nejaky blbovzdorny standard na propojeni ronja >>>>>modulu eventualne spidera pomoci UTP/STP misto koaxu. >>>>>Pozadavky jsou: >>>>>1) zadny draty mezi TX a RX >>>>>2) moznost pouzit stavajici RX stejne jako RX se symetrickym vystupem >>>>>2) melo by to prezit zapojeni do poe >>>>>3) musi prezit sitova karta kdyz se to do ni omylem zapoji >>>>>4) snadne pripojeni 2* TX na dualhead >>>>>5) konektor RJ45 nebo cannon na twisteru2 >>>>> >>>>>Navrh je takovy: >>>>>1 oranz/bl - vystup nebo vystup- >>>>>2 oranzovy - GND nebo vystup+ (na interfacu by mel byt propojka >>>>>na >>>>> >>>>> >>>>GND) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>3 zeleny/b - RSSI+ >>>>>4 modry - +12V >>>>>5 modry/bl - GND >>>>>6 zeleny - RSSI- (GND je pripojeno pouze v RX,kvuli eliminaci >>>>>chyby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>zemni smycky) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>8 hnedy - +12V >>>>>7 hnedy/bl - GND >>>>> >>>>>Stineni STP/FTP se pripoji pouze na strane interface. >>>>> >>>>>+ na interfacu je el. pojistka na 0.25A na RX a 0,5A na TX (resp 2A >>>>>na TX >>>>> >>>>> >>>>s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>luxeonem) >>>>> >>>>>Nejake navrhy? >>>>> >>>>>Petr >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja na lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- |==========================| | Cool/Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | | mail: coolex na hkfree.org | | oblasti: Rusek & Pouchov | |==========================| From clock at twibright.com Thu May 25 10:09:07 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:09:07 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <000d01c67fd3$2b0f7c60$0103450a@Glottis> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> <000d01c67fd3$2b0f7c60$0103450a@Glottis> Message-ID: <20060525090907.GA2466@kestrel> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 10:13:55AM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: [...] > jinak mam z toho pocit ze kdybych to nechal nekde osadit masinou tak si > neodhaduju odhadnout vyteznost spravneho osazeni. pokud teda ten software > vubec dovoluje neco takoveho generovat. Actually the sector codes in the population lists are generated from the XY file which PCB automatically writes with the Gerbers. http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister2/twister2.pcb.output_xy.txt CL< From Divis.M at seznam.cz Thu May 25 10:19:09 2006 From: Divis.M at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal=20Divi=B9?=) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:19:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ronja] Tx low intensity In-Reply-To: <200605232312.29154@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <2183.4980-32342-1831094113-1148548749@seznam.cz> Uz je opraveno, bylo to LED - dal jsem tam znovu jinaci a RSSI je ok (3.5V). Michal > ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > Od: -=RYS=- > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tx low intensity > Datum: 23.5.2006 23:13:25 > ---------------------------------------- > 1) Vyletuj R11 jestli ma opravdu 8.2 ohmu. > 2) Vyletuj Q1+Q2 a premer jestli maji stejne zesileni Beta. > 3) Vymen U1+U2+U3. > -=RYS=- > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Divis.M na seznam.cz > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > CC: > > Datum: 23.05.2006 09:10 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tx low intensity > > > > Ne, testpointy byly OK. > > > > > ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > > > Od: anMic > > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tx low intensity > > > Datum: 22.5.2006 21:46:04 > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > Michal Divi? napsal(a): > > > > Nazdar, mel bych problem, mam Tx na plosnacich od KJS - SMD verze, > > spoj > > > funguje, ale jeden vysilac sviti mnohem mene - pri posviceni na Rx mam > > RSSI > > > 1.8V, pri prohozeni Tx modulu tam mam 3.6V. Diodou to neni, zkousel jsem > > ji > > > vymenit (mam tam Fka). > > > > Jake jsou hodnoty testpointu? Nejake odchylky od beznych hodnot? > > > > J. Matyas > > > > > > > Hi, I have problem with one Tx module - (SMD PCB version by > > KJS), Ronja is > > > working, but with RSSI 1,8V, if i switch Tx modules, RSSI will increase > > to 3,6V. > > > It is not diode problem, I already tried to change LED. > > > > > > BR, Michal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > From Divis.M at seznam.cz Thu May 25 10:23:47 2006 From: Divis.M at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal=20Divi=B9?=) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:23:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ronja] samovolne vypinani Tx modulu Message-ID: <2183.4980-592-1409273260-1148549027@seznam.cz> Zdarec, pomerne casto se mi stava ze Tx zhasne, znova se rozne, kdyz restartnu napajeni - odpojim a pripojim Twister od napajeciho kabelu. Je to SMD PCB verze by KJS, tlumivku to ma vinutou (rikal jsem si, ze bych to zkusil vymenit za tu z GM), zajimave je, ze se Tx rozsviti pri prilozeni prstu, resp. cehokoliv zcasti vodiveho (navlhceny papir) zespodu na piny U1-U3, resp. piny 4 a 11. Nesetkal se s tim nekdo? Michal From smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca Thu May 25 19:12:08 2006 From: smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca (M.N.A.Smadi) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:12:08 -0400 Subject: [Ronja] Power Consumption Question Message-ID: <4475F378.1010106@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> Hello there; am interested in knowing if anyone has done power consumption measurements for the board when it's fully operational. By the "board" I mean not just the LED or Laser used but the extra external circuitry. Another question, has it been reporte/discusses/confirmed that running the board at shorter distances may yield better data rates? Thanks moe smadi From krepa at seznam.cz Thu May 25 21:30:48 2006 From: krepa at seznam.cz (Pavel Krejci) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:30:48 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Power Consumption Question In-Reply-To: <4475F378.1010106@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> References: <4475F378.1010106@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> Message-ID: <447613F8.6060808@seznam.cz> What you mean better data rates? It runs 10Mbit. At longer distances it is much more demanding correct aiming and stability of the whole supporting system (including building). Also it is more sensitive to weather conditions. But data rate is still the same. PK M.N.A.Smadi napsal(a): > Hello there; > > am interested in knowing if anyone has done power consumption > measurements for the board when it's fully operational. By the "board" > I mean not just the LED or Laser used but the extra external circuitry. > > Another question, has it been reporte/discusses/confirmed that running > the board at shorter distances may yield better data rates? > > Thanks > moe smadi > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From anmic at fmg.sk Thu May 25 21:47:07 2006 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:47:07 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> Message-ID: <447617CB.6090403@fmg.sk> Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html > Mel bych dotazy ohledne Twisteru2: - proc jsou jako prepinace PC/Switch pouzity vypinace misto jumperu? Podle me si to kazdy nastavi na zacatku a pak uz s tim neni potreba dlouhou dobu hybat, takze vypinace mi pripadaji zbytecne. Snad by nevadilo, kdyby byly jumpery vevnitr v krabicce. - jak se bude pajet koax do konektoru Cannon? Podle mych zkusenosti se stineni beznych koaxu neda rozumnym zpusobem pajet a typy s medenym opletem jsou nekolikanasobne drazsi. JM > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca Thu May 25 22:26:22 2006 From: smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca (M.N.A.Smadi) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:26:22 -0400 Subject: [Ronja] Power Consumption Question In-Reply-To: <447613F8.6060808@seznam.cz> References: <4475F378.1010106@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> <447613F8.6060808@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <447620FE.3000503@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> I am not sure about the MAC protocol running, but typically if the channel starts to go bad, reducing the data rate may be an option to keep the link up. What about the question about power consumption? M. Smadi Pavel Krejci wrote: > What you mean better data rates? > It runs 10Mbit. At longer distances it is much more demanding correct > aiming and stability of the whole supporting system (including > building). Also it is more sensitive to weather conditions. But data > rate is still the same. > > PK > > M.N.A.Smadi napsal(a): > >> Hello there; >> >> am interested in knowing if anyone has done power consumption >> measurements for the board when it's fully operational. By the "board" >> I mean not just the LED or Laser used but the extra external circuitry. >> >> Another question, has it been reporte/discusses/confirmed that running >> the board at shorter distances may yield better data rates? >> >> Thanks >> moe smadi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > From krepa at seznam.cz Thu May 25 22:49:24 2006 From: krepa at seznam.cz (Pavel Krejci) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:49:24 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Power Consumption Question In-Reply-To: <447620FE.3000503@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> References: <4475F378.1010106@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> <447613F8.6060808@seznam.cz> <447620FE.3000503@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> Message-ID: <44762664.5000103@seznam.cz> There is no extra protocol. This is "media converter" only. And it is for 10FD traffic. Consumption I guess you can find on the web, if not ask clock to add it. Personally I did not measured. PK M.N.A.Smadi napsal(a): > I am not sure about the MAC protocol running, but typically if the > channel starts to go bad, reducing the data rate may be an option to > keep the link up. > > What about the question about power consumption? > > M. Smadi > Pavel Krejci wrote: > >> What you mean better data rates? >> It runs 10Mbit. At longer distances it is much more demanding correct >> aiming and stability of the whole supporting system (including >> building). Also it is more sensitive to weather conditions. But data >> rate is still the same. >> >> PK >> >> M.N.A.Smadi napsal(a): >> >>> Hello there; >>> >>> am interested in knowing if anyone has done power consumption >>> measurements for the board when it's fully operational. By the "board" >>> I mean not just the LED or Laser used but the extra external circuitry. >>> >>> Another question, has it been reporte/discusses/confirmed that running >>> the board at shorter distances may yield better data rates? >>> >>> Thanks >>> moe smadi >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> >> > > From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Fri May 26 00:06:14 2006 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (pitr) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:06:14 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] ronja4sell Message-ID: <44763866.4030006@netway.elk.pl> Hi, sorry if it is not right place to send such a message, but maybe someone will be interested... I want to sell some unused ready made electronics: 8x twister (+copper box) 4x tx&rx (KJS pcb + stainless-steel box) and a lot of electronic parts: 40x HPWT-BD000 parts for about three RONJAs (with unassambled pcb) I'd preffer to sell it all together pitr From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 08:12:54 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:12:54 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Pictures of finished Twister2 box Message-ID: <20060526071254.GA23164@kestrel> http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e73.html http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e74.html http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e75.html http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e76.html Gallery: http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 08:16:13 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:16:13 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Shielding and EMI Message-ID: <20060526071613.GA23190@kestrel> I think DJ Delorie said he had problems with EMI on his furnace controller - he can do his device this way: http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e73.html http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e74.html http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e75.html http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e76.html Gallery: http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html Should I print on my device "TEMPEST hardened"? :) CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 09:28:01 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:28:01 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] ronja4sell In-Reply-To: <44763866.4030006@netway.elk.pl> References: <44763866.4030006@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <20060526082800.GA29453@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 01:06:14AM +0200, pitr wrote: > Hi, > sorry if it is not right place to send such a message, but maybe someone > will be interested... Yes it's the right place. CL< > > I want to sell some unused ready made electronics: > 8x twister (+copper box) > 4x tx&rx (KJS pcb + stainless-steel box) > > and a lot of electronic parts: > 40x HPWT-BD000 > parts for about three RONJAs (with unassambled pcb) > > I'd preffer to sell it all together > > > pitr > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 09:38:39 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:38:39 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <447617CB.6090403@fmg.sk> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> <447617CB.6090403@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 10:47:07PM +0200, anMic wrote: > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e5d.html > > > > Mel bych dotazy ohledne Twisteru2: > > - proc jsou jako prepinace PC/Switch pouzity vypinace misto > jumperu? Podle me si to kazdy nastavi na zacatku a pak uz s I already replied someone - because jumpers can't be operated from outside without creating a hole for the radiation. If you are concerned about unintentional switching, I can design a protective yoke from a copper wire - do you think I should add one? Or as an option? > tim neni potreba dlouhou dobu hybat, takze vypinace mi I think some people need to change it. For example on our network in Prague we often tampered with the hardware - replugged various network components somewhere else. If someone replugs from a PC to a switch, he often needs it. > pripadaji zbytecne. Snad by nevadilo, kdyby byly jumpery > vevnitr v krabicce. The box can be opened only using soldering iron. It's intended to be opened for servicing failed electronics, not for ordinary usage. > > - jak se bude pajet koax do konektoru Cannon? Podle mych > zkusenosti se stineni beznych koaxu neda rozumnym zpusobem > pajet a typy s medenym opletem jsou nekolikanasobne drazsi. The old Ronja already had a requirement for the cable shield to be solderable so it's still the same. CL< > > JM > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 09:40:16 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:40:16 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Scientific materials In-Reply-To: <004c01c68041$0a8ed440$0500a8c0@datura> References: <004c01c68041$0a8ed440$0500a8c0@datura> Message-ID: <20060526084016.GA32315@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:20:24PM +0200, Mikolaj Kopczynski wrote: > Hello > > I'm currently writing my graduate work at Technical Unviersity of > Szczecin (Poland). I'm looking for some books about optical links, > optical data transfer etc. (in open air of course). Generaly some > scientific knowledge and infomations which RONJA is actually based on. > I would me delighted if You could send me maybe some tittles or > internet links. Search for handbook of through the air optical communications. > > Greetings > Mikolaj Kopczynski From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 09:40:39 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:40:39 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Power Consumption Question In-Reply-To: <447620FE.3000503@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> References: <4475F378.1010106@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> <447613F8.6060808@seznam.cz> <447620FE.3000503@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> Message-ID: <20060526084039.GB32315@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:26:22PM -0400, M.N.A.Smadi wrote: > I am not sure about the MAC protocol running, but typically if the > channel starts to go bad, reducing the data rate may be an option to > keep the link up. Ronja doesn't have any mechanism for lowering data rate implemented. CL< > > What about the question about power consumption? > > M. Smadi > Pavel Krejci wrote: > > > What you mean better data rates? > > It runs 10Mbit. At longer distances it is much more demanding correct > > aiming and stability of the whole supporting system (including > > building). Also it is more sensitive to weather conditions. But data > > rate is still the same. > > > > PK > > > > M.N.A.Smadi napsal(a): > > > >> Hello there; > >> > >> am interested in knowing if anyone has done power consumption > >> measurements for the board when it's fully operational. By the "board" > >> I mean not just the LED or Laser used but the extra external circuitry. > >> > >> Another question, has it been reporte/discusses/confirmed that running > >> the board at shorter distances may yield better data rates? > >> > >> Thanks > >> moe smadi > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 09:46:08 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:46:08 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Power Consumption Question In-Reply-To: <44762664.5000103@seznam.cz> References: <4475F378.1010106@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> <447613F8.6060808@seznam.cz> <447620FE.3000503@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> <44762664.5000103@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20060526084608.GC32315@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:49:24PM +0200, Pavel Krejci wrote: > There is no extra protocol. This is "media converter" only. And it is > for 10FD traffic. > > Consumption I guess you can find on the web, if not ask clock to add it. > Personally I did not measured. Twister2 alone now takes only about 80mA from +12V. Twister takes 175mA. That's a reduction of 1.14W. So now we are more green :) People will have easier time running it off a solar panel and will be able to use cheaper power source with almost 100mA less rating. CL< > > PK > > > M.N.A.Smadi napsal(a): > > I am not sure about the MAC protocol running, but typically if the > > channel starts to go bad, reducing the data rate may be an option to > > keep the link up. > > > > What about the question about power consumption? > > > > M. Smadi > > Pavel Krejci wrote: > > > >> What you mean better data rates? > >> It runs 10Mbit. At longer distances it is much more demanding correct > >> aiming and stability of the whole supporting system (including > >> building). Also it is more sensitive to weather conditions. But data > >> rate is still the same. > >> > >> PK > >> > >> M.N.A.Smadi napsal(a): > >> > >>> Hello there; > >>> > >>> am interested in knowing if anyone has done power consumption > >>> measurements for the board when it's fully operational. By the "board" > >>> I mean not just the LED or Laser used but the extra external circuitry. > >>> > >>> Another question, has it been reporte/discusses/confirmed that running > >>> the board at shorter distances may yield better data rates? > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> moe smadi > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Ronja mailing list > >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 09:47:15 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:47:15 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Hi there In-Reply-To: <4476287D.3020509@o2.pl> References: <4476287D.3020509@o2.pl> Message-ID: <20060526084715.GD32315@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 10:58:21PM +0100, Bartosz Kolodziejczak wrote: > Hi Clock, > > Do you know who may have hpwt-bd00-f4000 leds for sale? Does Ondrej > Tesar have them still ? I've lost his email address, so If you'd be so boza2 at volny dot cz > nice to send it to me. Any ideas where to get bf908? I've found them > http://www.com-sit.com/, but minimum order is 100euro. There are lots of replacement for this transistor in the Ronja guide so use them. BF908 is a rare part but the replacements are ubiquitous. CL< > > Best regards > Bartosz :) From anmic at fmg.sk Fri May 26 13:54:15 2006 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:54:15 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> <447617CB.6090403@fmg.sk> <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <4476FA77.8060002@fmg.sk> > >>- jak se bude pajet koax do konektoru Cannon? Podle mych >>zkusenosti se stineni beznych koaxu neda rozumnym zpusobem >>pajet a typy s medenym opletem jsou nekolikanasobne drazsi. > > > The old Ronja already had a requirement for the cable shield to be > solderable so it's still the same. I thought Ronja is project for wide spectrum of users who can build the device using widely available components. But as far as I know the coaxes with solderable shielding are quite expensive and more difficult to get. JM > > CL< > >>JM From anmic at fmg.sk Fri May 26 13:58:31 2006 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:58:31 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> <447617CB.6090403@fmg.sk> <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <4476FB77.5010306@fmg.sk> >>- proc jsou jako prepinace PC/Switch pouzity vypinace misto >>jumperu? Podle me si to kazdy nastavi na zacatku a pak uz s > > > I already replied someone - because jumpers can't be operated from > outside without creating a hole for the radiation. If you are concerned > about unintentional switching, I can design a protective yoke from a > copper wire - do you think I should add one? Or as an option? > IMHO every option would be fine to make the device more flexibile for users. I think someone could welcome to be able to replace the switches with jumpers (even when there would be no chance to switch PC/Hub without opening the box using a soldering iron). JM From anmic at fmg.sk Fri May 26 14:01:33 2006 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:01:33 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Power Consumption Question In-Reply-To: <44762664.5000103@seznam.cz> References: <4475F378.1010106@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> <447613F8.6060808@seznam.cz> <447620FE.3000503@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> <44762664.5000103@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4476FC2D.4040204@fmg.sk> Pavel Krejci napsal(a): > There is no extra protocol. This is "media converter" only. And it is > for 10FD traffic. > > Consumption I guess you can find on the web, if not ask clock to add it. > Personally I did not measured. Current through my Ronja is about 300 mA when voltage at 12V, so the power consumption is about 0.3*12=3.6W (Lens heating not included.) JM > > PK > > > M.N.A.Smadi napsal(a): > >>I am not sure about the MAC protocol running, but typically if the >>channel starts to go bad, reducing the data rate may be an option to >>keep the link up. >> >>What about the question about power consumption? >> >>M. Smadi >>Pavel Krejci wrote: >> >> >>>What you mean better data rates? >>>It runs 10Mbit. At longer distances it is much more demanding correct >>>aiming and stability of the whole supporting system (including >>>building). Also it is more sensitive to weather conditions. But data >>>rate is still the same. >>> >>>PK >>> >>>M.N.A.Smadi napsal(a): >>> >>> >>>>Hello there; >>>> >>>>am interested in knowing if anyone has done power consumption >>>>measurements for the board when it's fully operational. By the "board" >>>>I mean not just the LED or Laser used but the extra external circuitry. >>>> >>>>Another question, has it been reporte/discusses/confirmed that running >>>>the board at shorter distances may yield better data rates? >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>>moe smadi >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 16:18:01 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:18:01 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <4476FA77.8060002@fmg.sk> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> <447617CB.6090403@fmg.sk> <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> <4476FA77.8060002@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <20060526151801.GA2428@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 02:54:15PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > > > >>- jak se bude pajet koax do konektoru Cannon? Podle mych > >>zkusenosti se stineni beznych koaxu neda rozumnym zpusobem > >>pajet a typy s medenym opletem jsou nekolikanasobne drazsi. > > > > > > The old Ronja already had a requirement for the cable shield to be > > solderable so it's still the same. > > I thought Ronja is project for wide spectrum of users who > can build the device using widely available components. But > as far as I know the coaxes with solderable shielding are > quite expensive and more difficult to get. It was always with solderable shielding. Nonsolderable shielding can be crimped only. Crimped joints have bad reliability. CL< > > JM > > > > > CL< > > > >>JM > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 16:19:19 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:19:19 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <4476FA77.8060002@fmg.sk> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> <447617CB.6090403@fmg.sk> <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> <4476FA77.8060002@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <20060526151919.GB2428@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 02:54:15PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > > > >>- jak se bude pajet koax do konektoru Cannon? Podle mych > >>zkusenosti se stineni beznych koaxu neda rozumnym zpusobem > >>pajet a typy s medenym opletem jsou nekolikanasobne drazsi. > > > > > > The old Ronja already had a requirement for the cable shield to be > > solderable so it's still the same. > > I thought Ronja is project for wide spectrum of users who > can build the device using widely available components. But > as far as I know the coaxes with solderable shielding are > quite expensive and more difficult to get. You can use an audio headphone cable. That has copper shield, is cheap and I think widely available. And goes into tight spaces well. Just isn't good for the weather so you need to put it into a conduit. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 16:19:52 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:19:52 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <4476FB77.5010306@fmg.sk> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> <447617CB.6090403@fmg.sk> <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> <4476FB77.5010306@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <20060526151952.GC2428@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 02:58:31PM +0200, anMic wrote: > >>- proc jsou jako prepinace PC/Switch pouzity vypinace misto > >>jumperu? Podle me si to kazdy nastavi na zacatku a pak uz s > > > > > > I already replied someone - because jumpers can't be operated from > > outside without creating a hole for the radiation. If you are concerned > > about unintentional switching, I can design a protective yoke from a > > copper wire - do you think I should add one? Or as an option? > > > > IMHO every option would be fine to make the device more > flexibile for users. > > I think someone could welcome to be able to replace the > switches with jumpers (even when there would be no chance to > switch PC/Hub without opening the box using a soldering iron). The footprint unfortunately has totally different pitch than 2.54. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 16:20:23 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:20:23 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Power Consumption Question In-Reply-To: <4476FC2D.4040204@fmg.sk> References: <4475F378.1010106@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> <447613F8.6060808@seznam.cz> <447620FE.3000503@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> <44762664.5000103@seznam.cz> <4476FC2D.4040204@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <20060526152023.GD2428@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 03:01:33PM +0200, anMic wrote: > Pavel Krejci napsal(a): > > There is no extra protocol. This is "media converter" only. And it is > > for 10FD traffic. > > > > Consumption I guess you can find on the web, if not ask clock to add it. > > Personally I did not measured. > > Current through my Ronja is about 300 mA when voltage at > 12V, so the power consumption is about 0.3*12=3.6W > (Lens heating not included.) With Twister2 it will be 2.46W then. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 16:59:52 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:59:52 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <4476FA77.8060002@fmg.sk> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> <447617CB.6090403@fmg.sk> <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> <4476FA77.8060002@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <20060526155952.GA7612@kestrel.barix.local> On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 02:54:15PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > > > >>- jak se bude pajet koax do konektoru Cannon? Podle mych > >>zkusenosti se stineni beznych koaxu neda rozumnym zpusobem > >>pajet a typy s medenym opletem jsou nekolikanasobne drazsi. > > > > > > The old Ronja already had a requirement for the cable shield to be > > solderable so it's still the same. > > I thought Ronja is project for wide spectrum of users who > can build the device using widely available components. But > as far as I know the coaxes with solderable shielding are > quite expensive and more difficult to get. What kind of koaxes can you get? Does it have an aluminium foil without even a whin braided wire touching the foil? CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri May 26 17:50:03 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:50:03 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] 125W Transformer gun as desoldering station Message-ID: <20060526165003.GA10502@kestrel.barix.local> The 125W transformer gun from Krepa (was it Krepa?) is really good. I unsoldered a big fat 4MB flash memory chip with it with about million pins spaced about 0.7mm and soldered it on a different board and when I removed all the shorts between pins (for some of them I needed a sharp knife because they left thin whiskers that refuse to fall apart even with a lot of colophonium, heat, sucking, rubbing with the lug and sucking away with desoldering braid), it worked. The expensive Weller soldering station unfortunately lacks the key feature "bend the lug into a square shape with predetermined dimensions" because it doesn't have a lug. so I consider this to be a final proof that the soldering iron really pays off, considering it's low price of just 25 CHF + work to recut the torn down M3 screws into M4 ones. CL< From klapek at kki.net.pl Fri May 26 18:35:04 2006 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:35:04 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> <447617CB.6090403@fmg.sk> <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <200605261935.04631.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Friday 26 of May 2006 10:38, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > I already replied someone - because jumpers can't be operated from > outside without creating a hole for the radiation. If you are concerned Neither can LEDs be seen without a hole ;) Greetz, Tomek Koprowski From klapek at kki.net.pl Fri May 26 18:48:13 2006 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:48:13 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Scientific materials In-Reply-To: <20060526084016.GA32315@kestrel.barix.local> References: <004c01c68041$0a8ed440$0500a8c0@datura> <20060526084016.GA32315@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <200605261948.13369.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Friday 26 of May 2006 10:40, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > I'm currently writing my graduate work at Technical Unviersity of > > Szczecin (Poland). I'm looking for some books about optical links, > > optical data transfer etc. (in open air of course). Generaly some > > scientific knowledge and infomations which RONJA is actually based on. > > I would me delighted if You could send me maybe some tittles or > > internet links. > > Search for handbook of through the air optical communications. There's also some other stuff more or less closely related to the subject, maybe someone will find it usefull. (in bibtex format) @Manual{ieee, title = {Carrier sense multiple access with collision detection (CSMA/CD) access method and physical layer specifications, IEEE standard 802.3}, OPTkey = {}, OPTauthor = {}, organization = {IEEE}, OPTaddress = {}, OPTedition = {}, OPTmonth = {}, year = {2000}, OPTnote = {}, OPTannote = {} } @Misc{LinkRecord, author = {"Radio and Electronics Association of Southern Tasmania"}, title = {Amateur Optical Communications break the 100 mile barrier in Australia}, note = "URL: {\urlBiBTeX{http://reast.asn.au/optical.php}}" } @Misc{OTTAC, author = {David A. Johnson}, title = {Handbook of Optical Through the Air Communications}, note = "URL: {\urlBiBTeX{http://www.imagineeringezine.com/files/air-bk2.html}}" } @Misc{superflux, author = {Lumileds}, title = {SuperFlux LEDs}, note = "URL: {\urlBiBTeX{http://www.lumileds.com/pdfs/DS05.PDF}}" } @Misc{wikilumen, author = {Wikipedia}, title = {Lumen definition}, note = "URL: {\urlBiBTeX{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumen_\%28unit\%29}}" } @Misc{wikiflux, author = {Wikipedia}, title = {Luminous flux definition}, note = "URL: {\urlBiBTeX{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_flux}}" } @Misc{wikiabsorption, author = {Wikipedia}, title = {Absorption definition}, note = "URL: {\urlBiBTeX{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_\%28optics\%29}}" } @Misc{wikiscatter, author = {Wikipedia}, title = {Scattering definition}, note = "URL: {\urlBiBTeX{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scattering}}" } @Misc{eocandela, author = {Electro Optical Industries Inc.}, title = {Candela definition}, note = "URL: {\urlBiBTeX{http://www.electro-optical.com/whitepapers/candela.htm}}" } @Misc{LensTheory, author = {Laser Components (UK) Ltd.}, title = {Application Notes: Lens Theory}, note = "URL: {\urlBiBTeX{http://www.lasercomponents.co.uk/wwwuk/faq/linsth.htm}}" } @Booklet{IRDAfund, title = {Fundamentals of the Infrared Physical Layer}, author = "Paul Barna and Steve Schlanger", howpublished = {Microchip Application Note AN243}, } @Booklet{tenmicron, title = "Free-Space Optics Wavelength Selection: 10um versus Shorter Wavelength", author = "Maha {Achour, PhD}", publisher = "{UlmTech, Inc.}" } @Booklet{PhysicsOfFreeSpaceOptics, title = "The Physics of Free-Space Optics", author = "Scott {Bloom, PhD}", year = {2001}, publisher = "{AirFiber, Inc.}" } @Booklet{CBLtheoreticalBackground, title = "Theoretical background of FSO", publisher = "Communication by light", year = {2003}, author = {Gesellschaft f\"ur optische Kommunikationssysteme mbH} } @Booklet{SolarBackground, title = "Solar background effects in wireless optical communications", publisher = "Sunflower Technologies Limited", author = {Vladimir G. Sidorovich} } @Article{UnderstandingPerformance, author = "Scott Bloom and Eric Korevaar and John Schuster and Heinz Willebrand", title = "Understanding the Performance of Free-Space Optics", journal = "Journal of Optical Networking", year = "2003", OPTkey = {}, volume = "2", number = "6", OPTpages = {}, month = "June", note = "{Optical Society of America}", OPTannote = {} } @Article{WirelessInfraredComm, author = "Joseph M. Kahn and John R. Barry", title = "Wireless Infrared Communications", journal = "Proceedings of IEEE", year = "1997", OPTkey = {}, volume = "85", number = "2", OPTpages = {}, month = "February", OPTnote = "", OPTannote = {} } @Article{DPIM, author = "A. R. Hayes and Z. Ghassemlooy and N. L. Seed", title = "Optical Wireless Communicatoin using Digital Pulse Interval Modulation", journal = "Proceedings of SPIE", year = "1998", OPTkey = {}, volume = "3532", number = {}, OPTpages = {}, month = "November", OPTnote = "", OPTannote = {} } @Article{EPlaser, author = "Marek Kope.", title = "Bezprzewodowe ..cze laserowe", journal = "Elektronika Praktyczna", year = "2004", OPTkey = {}, volume = {}, number = {}, pages = {21-24}, month = "Luty", OPTnote = "", OPTannote = {} } Greetz, Tomek Koprowski From krepa at seznam.cz Sat May 27 08:22:55 2006 From: krepa at seznam.cz (Pavel Krejci) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:22:55 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] 125W Transformer gun as desoldering station In-Reply-To: <20060526165003.GA10502@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060526165003.GA10502@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <4477FE4F.5030001@seznam.cz> Yes, it was me :o) Happy to hear that it serves to your full satisfaction. krepa Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > The 125W transformer gun from Krepa (was it Krepa?) is really good. I > unsoldered a big fat 4MB flash memory chip with it with about million > pins spaced about 0.7mm and soldered it on a different board and when I > removed all the shorts between pins (for some of them I needed a sharp > knife because they left thin whiskers that refuse to fall apart even > with a lot of colophonium, heat, sucking, rubbing with the lug and > sucking away with desoldering braid), it worked. > > The expensive Weller soldering station unfortunately lacks the key > feature "bend the lug into a square shape with predetermined > dimensions" because it doesn't have a lug. > > so I consider this to be a final proof that the soldering iron really > pays off, considering it's low price of just 25 CHF + work to recut > the torn down M3 screws into M4 ones. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat May 27 09:29:37 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:29:37 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] jumpers instead of switches Message-ID: <20060527082937.GA25240@kestrel> I made a protective cage for the switches so now there's no need for any jumpers: http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e77.html CL< From kubajz at kbx.cz Sat May 27 09:37:39 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:37:39 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] jumpers instead of switches In-Reply-To: <20060527082937.GA25240@kestrel> References: <20060527082937.GA25240@kestrel> Message-ID: <44780FD3.7080902@kbx.cz> Hehe :] Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > I made a protective cage for the switches so now there's no need for any > jumpers: > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e77.html > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: kubajz.vcf Typ: text/x-vcard Velikost: 265 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060527/ed11a5ba/attachment.vcf From clock at twibright.com Sat May 27 09:43:29 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:43:29 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] More pictures of Twister2 In-Reply-To: <200605261935.04631.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <20060525062417.GA24294@kestrel> <447617CB.6090403@fmg.sk> <20060526083839.GA30248@kestrel.barix.local> <200605261935.04631.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20060527084329.GA27467@kestrel> On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 07:35:04PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Friday 26 of May 2006 10:38, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > I already replied someone - because jumpers can't be operated from > > outside without creating a hole for the radiation. If you are concerned > > Neither can LEDs be seen without a hole ;) Radiation produced through a 5mm hole from a LED buried under the plane (what protrudes is only the plastic) is IMHO negligible. CL< > > Greetz, > Tomek Koprowski > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat May 27 23:32:17 2006 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 00:32:17 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors In-Reply-To: <446F5700.9010207@kbx.cz> References: <20060520081630.GA8977@kestrel> <000c01c67bf8$7146d090$0103450a@Glottis> <446F5700.9010207@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <200605280032.17940.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne sobota 20 kv?ten 2006 19:50 Jakub Sykora napsal(a): > Mohl by si si :] > > spravne cesky je mohl by sis ... Ale ale: Kdyz sam vis hovno tak nerad, kdyz uz tak spravne je Mohl bys si. > > Stejne tak jako se nekterym lidem prici tvar abyste ( je vsak take > spisovny) Nad abyste jsem nikoho pochybovat nevidel, ale mne osobne moc nejde rikat ani psat "abychom" prijde mi to takovy prespisovnely, mam radsi nespisovne "abysme" ale posledni dobou se snazim to omezit navzdor ty bordel cestine co se vyskytuje na netu. Myslim si ze diky internetu se jednou nas krasny jazyk uplne posere :-( I na sobe pozoruju napr. jaky zlozvyky mam diky psani bez diakritiky a proto vzkazuju vsem tem dementum co muzou za to ze se ceska diakritika pise v asi milionu ruznych kodovani. FUCK OFF Pardon za OT > > K > > In english: > > some czech language corectness stuf... > > Michal Malusek napsal(a): > > skoda ze nejsme v americe co? se 110V v zasuvce, mohl by si si na to dat > > rychlovarnou konvici > > > > glo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:16 AM > > Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors > > > >>I found the ratings of the contacts. Nominal Voltage is 125VAC and > >> current 5A. That means that with 9-pin connector it's possible to > >> transfer up to 4*5*125=2.5kW of power :) > >> > >>And they are really dead ubiquitous. > >> > >>CL< > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Sun May 28 07:54:00 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 08:54:00 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors In-Reply-To: <200605280032.17940.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20060520081630.GA8977@kestrel> <000c01c67bf8$7146d090$0103450a@Glottis> <446F5700.9010207@kbx.cz> <200605280032.17940.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <44794908.5030700@kbx.cz> Ale ale :] nechci se hadat, ale jen tak pro info... http://www.pravidla.cz/hledej.php?qr=by+sis http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=by+sis&word2=bys+si Bohuzel (nebo bohudik) se jedna o vyjimky v CJ... K Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > Dne sobota 20 kv?ten 2006 19:50 Jakub Sykora napsal(a): > >>Mohl by si si :] >> >>spravne cesky je mohl by sis ... > > > Ale ale: Kdyz sam vis hovno tak nerad, kdyz uz tak spravne je Mohl bys si. > >>Stejne tak jako se nekterym lidem prici tvar abyste ( je vsak take >>spisovny) > > > Nad abyste jsem nikoho pochybovat nevidel, ale mne osobne moc nejde rikat ani > psat "abychom" prijde mi to takovy prespisovnely, mam radsi > nespisovne "abysme" ale posledni dobou se snazim to omezit navzdor ty bordel > cestine co se vyskytuje na netu. Myslim si ze diky internetu se jednou nas > krasny jazyk uplne posere :-( I na sobe pozoruju napr. jaky zlozvyky mam diky > psani bez diakritiky a proto vzkazuju vsem tem dementum co muzou za to ze se > ceska diakritika pise v asi milionu ruznych kodovani. > FUCK OFF > > Pardon za OT > > >>K >> >>In english: >> >>some czech language corectness stuf... >> >>Michal Malusek napsal(a): >> >>>skoda ze nejsme v americe co? se 110V v zasuvce, mohl by si si na to dat >>>rychlovarnou konvici >>> >>>glo >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Karel Kulhavy" >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:16 AM >>>Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors >>> >>> >>>>I found the ratings of the contacts. Nominal Voltage is 125VAC and >>>>current 5A. That means that with 9-pin connector it's possible to >>>>transfer up to 4*5*125=2.5kW of power :) >>>> >>>>And they are really dead ubiquitous. >>>> >>>>CL< >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: kubajz.vcf Typ: text/x-vcard Velikost: 265 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060528/10bb2bc0/attachment.vcf From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun May 28 13:20:58 2006 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:20:58 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors In-Reply-To: <44794908.5030700@kbx.cz> References: <20060520081630.GA8977@kestrel> <200605280032.17940.ladmanj@volny.cz> <44794908.5030700@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <200605281420.58935.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne ned?le 28 kv?ten 2006 08:54 Jakub Sykora napsal(a): > Ale ale :] > > nechci se hadat, ale jen tak pro info... Tak se omlouvam, no. Ja se to jeste ucil jinak. > > http://www.pravidla.cz/hledej.php?qr=by+sis > > http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=by+sis&word2=bys+si > > Bohuzel (nebo bohudik) se jedna o vyjimky v CJ... > > K > > Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > > Dne sobota 20 kv?ten 2006 19:50 Jakub Sykora napsal(a): > >>Mohl by si si :] > >> > >>spravne cesky je mohl by sis ... > > > > Ale ale: Kdyz sam vis hovno tak nerad, kdyz uz tak spravne je Mohl bys > > si. > > > >>Stejne tak jako se nekterym lidem prici tvar abyste ( je vsak take > >>spisovny) > > > > Nad abyste jsem nikoho pochybovat nevidel, ale mne osobne moc nejde rikat > > ani psat "abychom" prijde mi to takovy prespisovnely, mam radsi > > nespisovne "abysme" ale posledni dobou se snazim to omezit navzdor ty > > bordel cestine co se vyskytuje na netu. Myslim si ze diky internetu se > > jednou nas krasny jazyk uplne posere :-( I na sobe pozoruju napr. jaky > > zlozvyky mam diky psani bez diakritiky a proto vzkazuju vsem tem dementum > > co muzou za to ze se ceska diakritika pise v asi milionu ruznych > > kodovani. > > FUCK OFF > > > > Pardon za OT > > > >>K > >> > >>In english: > >> > >>some czech language corectness stuf... > >> > >>Michal Malusek napsal(a): > >>>skoda ze nejsme v americe co? se 110V v zasuvce, mohl by si si na to dat > >>>rychlovarnou konvici > >>> > >>>glo > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Karel Kulhavy" > >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>>Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:16 AM > >>>Subject: [Ronja] DE9 connectors > >>> > >>>>I found the ratings of the contacts. Nominal Voltage is 125VAC and > >>>>current 5A. That means that with 9-pin connector it's possible to > >>>>transfer up to 4*5*125=2.5kW of power :) > >>>> > >>>>And they are really dead ubiquitous. > >>>> > >>>>CL< > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From qjmurray at hotmail.com Mon May 29 03:49:18 2006 From: qjmurray at hotmail.com (quintus murray) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:49:18 -0400 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 31 Message-ID: I don't think it's a good idea to replace the switches with jumpers since if you do that you won't be able to communicate with your pc via pc/hub connection. Plus I suggest using the ultra high-speed internet phone cable with RJ11 connectors or a fiber optic cable since it's more reliable than a copper cable. _________________________________________________________________ Join the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure of a lifetime http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060528/aca6933b/attachment.html From qjmurray at hotmail.com Mon May 29 04:18:31 2006 From: qjmurray at hotmail.com (quintus murray) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 23:18:31 -0400 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 29 Message-ID: idea for a software configurable ronja well this is a different design approach I can use an embedded motherboard with linux or take a playstation portable firmware 1.0 motherboard port linux or any custom OS you want in the form of homebrew and data applications to enhance the ronja then solder the motherboard into the ronja and an LCD screen outside on the ronja showing the status of the ronja this way you can make your own custom OS for the ronja while being able to easily upgrade the software so the ronja can now do anything you want. You can also install a software internet/data aggregator which also aggregates with optical data links on the custom OS so an internet connection can combine it's bandwidth with the ronja's optical data rate allowing the data rate and internet connection via the ronja to be 10 Mbps plus the speed of the internet connection or you can use a hardware internet aggregator that can also aggregate optical data links together. So the bandwidth can become theoretically infinite limited only by the optical data links and internet connections that combine with this ronja. Plus they are some high-speed components that should be used in the ronja but are sold in 50,000 plus quantities so in order to afford this 50,000 plus people will have to pay what ever the price is maybe $99 each in order for us all to get our hands on these components that can greatly enhance ronja's optical data rate so the ronja would no longer be bound by it's 10 Mbit limit. 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URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060528/278799fe/attachment.html From sith at wifistar.net Mon May 29 06:49:57 2006 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 05:49:57 +0000 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447A8B85.2060804@wifistar.net> Aneb co se vejde do peti vet quintus murray napsal(a): > > > > > idea for a software configurable ronja well this is a different design > approach I can use an embedded motherboard with linux or take a > playstation portable firmware 1.0 motherboard port linux or any custom > OS you want in the form of homebrew and data applications to enhance the > ronja then solder the motherboard into the ronja and an LCD screen > outside on the ronja showing the status of the ronja this way you can > make your own custom OS for the ronja while being able to easily upgrade > the software so the ronja can now do anything you want. You can > also install a software internet/data aggregator which also aggregates > with optical data links on the custom OS so an internet connection can > combine it's bandwidth with the ronja's optical data rate allowing the > data rate and internet connection via the ronja to be 10 Mbps plus the > speed of the internet connection or you can use a hardware internet > aggregator that can also aggregate optical data links together. So the > bandwidth can become theoretically infinite limited only by the optical > data links and internet connections that combine with this ronja . > > > > > > Plus they are some high-speed components that should be used in the > ronja but are sold in 50,000 plus quantities so in order to afford this > 50,000 plus people will have to pay what ever the price is maybe $99 > each in order for us all to get our hands on these components that can > greatly enhance ronja's optical data rate so the ronja would no longer > be bound by it's 10 Mbit limit. I am not absolute but these are just > suggestions or hunches if this is possible these suggestions should be > implemented in future designs > > > Join the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure of a > lifetime Learn More. < > http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Regards, David Sedl??ek WiFiStar.net, o.s. skype: sith_cz From seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon May 29 08:28:09 2006 From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:28:09 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1148887689.447aa289ef133@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Here in Bohemia we have a wise saw: "You have got nothing else than you made it yourself." (Doufam ze jsem to prelozil dobre) So stop bullshit and do it your way... > idea for a software configurable ronja well this is a different design > approach I can use an embedded motherboard with linux or take a playstation > portable firmware 1.0 motherboard port linux or any custom OS you want in the > form of homebrew and data applications to enhance the ronja then solder the > motherboard into the ronja and an LCD screen outside on the ronja showing the > status of the ronja this way you can make your own custom OS for the ronja > while being able to easily upgrade the software so the ronja can now do > anything you want. You can also install a software internet/data aggregator > which also aggregates with optical data links on the custom OS so an internet > connection can combine it's bandwidth with the ronja's optical data rate > allowing the data rate and internet connection via the ronja to be 10 Mbps > plus the speed of the internet connection or you can use a hardware internet > aggregator that can also aggregate optical data links together. So the > bandwidth can become theoretically infinite limited only by the optical data > links and internet connections that combine with this ronja. > > > Plus they are some high-speed components that should be used in the > ronja but are sold in 50,000 plus quantities so in order to afford this > 50,000 plus people will have to pay what ever the price is maybe $99 each in > order for us all to get our hands on these components that can greatly > enhance ronja's optical data rate so the ronja would no longer be bound by > it's 10 Mbit limit. I am not absolute but these are just suggestions or > hunches if this is possible these suggestions should be implemented in future > designs > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure of a > lifetime > http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx From wacx at email.cz Mon May 29 09:02:35 2006 From: wacx at email.cz (WaCX) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:02:35 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 29 Message-ID: <004001c682f6$426419e0$0201a8c0@wacxnote> Za chvili mi z nej asi uz hrabne, ale podle me to nemuze byt normalni idiot, podle si bud ze vsech pritomnych dela srandu nebo je to spisovatel b-ckoveho sci-fi kteremu preskocilo:-) jinak uz nevim co si o nem mam myslet. wacx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060529/b8bf4bb7/attachment.html From clock at twibright.com Mon May 29 09:48:16 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:48:16 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060529084816.GA28081@kestrel.barix.local> On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:18:31PM -0400, quintus murray wrote: You need an OS that can run indefinitely without crashing. Which one would you put there? > idea for a software configurable ronja well this is a different design > approach I can use an embedded motherboard with linux or take a > playstation portable firmware 1.0 motherboard port linux or any custom > OS you want in the form of homebrew and data applications to enhance > the ronja then solder the motherboard into the ronja and an LCD screen > outside on the ronja showing the status of the ronja this way you can > make your own custom OS for the ronja while being able to easily > upgrade the software so the ronja can now do anything you want. You > can also install a software internet/data aggregator which also > aggregates with optical data links on the custom OS so an internet > connection can combine it's bandwidth with the ronja's optical data > rate allowing the data rate and internet connection via the ronja to > be 10 Mbps plus the speed of the internet connection or you can use a > hardware internet aggregator that can also aggregate optical data > links together. So the bandwidth can become theoretically infinite > limited only by the optical data links and internet connections that > combine with this ronja. > > > Plus they are some high-speed components that should be used in > the ronja but are sold in 50,000 plus quantities so in order to > afford this 50,000 plus people will have to pay what ever the > price is maybe $99 each in order for us all to get our hands on > these components that can greatly enhance ronja's optical data > rate so the ronja would no longer be bound by it's 10 Mbit limit. > I am not absolute but these are just suggestions or hunches if > this is possible these suggestions should be implemented in > future designs CL< From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Mon May 29 14:28:47 2006 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:28:47 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: <20060529084816.GA28081@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20060529084816.GA28081@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: I have a lot of open source things so if i combine it with ronja open source can i go to the moon in open source laser rocket? :)))))))) Quintus rulz ;) greetz, s. On Mon, 29 May 2006, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:18:31PM -0400, quintus murray wrote: > > You need an OS that can run indefinitely without crashing. Which > one would you put there? > > > idea for a software configurable ronja well this is a different design > > approach I can use an embedded motherboard with linux or take a > > playstation portable firmware 1.0 motherboard port linux or any custom > > OS you want in the form of homebrew and data applications to enhance > > the ronja then solder the motherboard into the ronja and an LCD screen > > outside on the ronja showing the status of the ronja this way you can > > make your own custom OS for the ronja while being able to easily > > upgrade the software so the ronja can now do anything you want. You > > can also install a software internet/data aggregator which also > > aggregates with optical data links on the custom OS so an internet > > connection can combine it's bandwidth with the ronja's optical data > > rate allowing the data rate and internet connection via the ronja to > > be 10 Mbps plus the speed of the internet connection or you can use a > > hardware internet aggregator that can also aggregate optical data > > links together. So the bandwidth can become theoretically infinite > > limited only by the optical data links and internet connections that > > combine with this ronja. > > > > > > Plus they are some high-speed components that should be used in > > the ronja but are sold in 50,000 plus quantities so in order to > > afford this 50,000 plus people will have to pay what ever the > > price is maybe $99 each in order for us all to get our hands on > > these components that can greatly enhance ronja's optical data > > rate so the ronja would no longer be bound by it's 10 Mbit limit. > > I am not absolute but these are just suggestions or hunches if > > this is possible these suggestions should be implemented in > > future designs > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Tue May 30 08:03:11 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:03:11 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 37, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060530070311.GA9980@kestrel> On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 10:49:18PM -0400, quintus murray wrote: > I don't think it's a good idea to replace the switches with jumpers > since if you do that you won't be able to communicate with your pc via > pc/hub connection. Plus I suggest using the ultra high-speed internet > phone cable with RJ11 connectors or a fiber optic cable since it's > more reliable than a copper cable. I have just performed membership management ( ;-) ) on Quintus' subscription again. CL< From smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca Wed May 31 18:00:04 2006 From: smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca (M.N.A.Smadi) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:00:04 -0400 Subject: [Ronja] Power Consumption Question In-Reply-To: <20060526152023.GD2428@kestrel.barix.local> References: <4475F378.1010106@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> <447613F8.6060808@seznam.cz> <447620FE.3000503@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> <44762664.5000103@seznam.cz> <4476FC2D.4040204@fmg.sk> <20060526152023.GD2428@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <447DCB94.3070504@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> Does twister2 have to run at 12V or could it run at lower voltages? If one is interested in lowering the powering of twister as much as possible, while maintaining the link as up all the time, what are obvious tweaks for doing that? thanks moe smadi Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 03:01:33PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > >>Pavel Krejci napsal(a): >> >> >>>There is no extra protocol. This is "media converter" only. And it is >>>for 10FD traffic. >>> >>>Consumption I guess you can find on the web, if not ask clock to add it. >>>Personally I did not measured. >>> >>> >>Current through my Ronja is about 300 mA when voltage at >>12V, so the power consumption is about 0.3*12=3.6W >>(Lens heating not included.) >> >> > >With Twister2 it will be 2.46W then. > >CL< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja at lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca Wed May 31 18:07:13 2006 From: smadim2 at grads.ece.mcmaster.ca (M.N.A.Smadi) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:07:13 -0400 Subject: [Ronja] interface speed question Message-ID: <447DCD41.2020509@grads.ece.mcmaster.ca> twister uses AUI as an interface. Is that why the speed is limited at 10Mbps? Are there any experiments with faster interfaces? if so, at what frequency does the circuitry creep out (i.e. the maximum modulation speed i guess)? thanks moe smadi From peter at halas.hu Wed May 31 20:02:45 2006 From: peter at halas.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?So=F3s_P=E9ter?=) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:02:45 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Speed question In-Reply-To: <20060531183624.GA20341@Galilei.galilei.homelinux.net> References: <20060531183624.GA20341@Galilei.galilei.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <20060531190245.GB21205@Galilei.galilei.homelinux.net> Hi there, here is an idea, i don't know if it's new or not, that case just forgive me for lazyness. As I know, 100Base-T uses MLT-3 coding with a maximal frequency of 35Mhz, and -1, 0 +1Volts as signals. Would it be possible to use this coding directly on the optical interface? There are a few solutions for that: modulation on light aplitude: 100%, 50% emission for example. using two leds for transmit on different wavelenght (red and green), and filters on the detector head. Of course this would rise installation, mechanical problems, but for an idea... In the second case, differentiating the two signals would also be possible, which would result possibly in a high gain on SNR. 35Mhz is just about 3 times the speed ronja is already on, and all 74HCTxx components are able to work on that frequency. On the end it should be transparent for auto-negotiation. regards, peter