From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 05:08:37 2006 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:08:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 33, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060102050837.98459.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> I am from the USA and I prefer to just find out if the ronja link agregate it's LAN with a mobile satellite terminal to enhance internet speed of satellite terminal to 10Mbps sorry for the previous stupid question beacause on your website I've checked under the benefits section of the RONJA website the better (Internet) access area confused me since it said it can aggregate your LAN with others so you can link over with better ISPs with improved reliability. This means that you still have to subscribe to an ISP right? I currently have a cable connection running at 15Mbps does this mean that I don't need ronja? or should I use ronja for mesh networks instead. --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060102/1ae3fd89/attachment.html From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 2 10:04:26 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:04:26 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 33, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20060102050837.98459.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060102050837.98459.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060102100426.GB21230@kestrel> On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 09:08:37PM -0800, Quintus Murray wrote: > > I am from the USA and I prefer to just find out if the ronja link > agregate it's LAN with a mobile satellite terminal to enhance internet > speed of satellite terminal to 10Mbps sorry for the previous stupid You can use the satellite terminal for upstream and 1/2 for downstream or vice versa. But Ronja range is limited to 1.4km and satellite links can span thousands of miles. > question beacause on your website I've checked under the benefits > section of the RONJA website the better (Internet) access area > confused me since it said it can aggregate your LAN with others so you > can link over with better ISPs with improved reliability. This means > that you still have to subscribe to an ISP right? I currently have a You subscribe to an ISP and then make a local network around neighbourhood using Ronja. > cable connection running at 15Mbps does this mean that I don't need > ronja? or should I use ronja for mesh networks instead. You can use Ronja to share the bandwidth with your neighbours (if the ISP contract allows this). CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 2 10:26:20 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:26:20 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 32, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <20051231170457.28149.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051231170457.28149.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060102102620.GE23102@kestrel> On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 09:04:57AM -0800, Quintus Murray wrote: > do I need an ISP's internet service or someone else's internet > connection shared inorder to use RONJA to connect to the internet?? Yes. CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 2 10:28:11 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:28:11 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 32, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <20051231170457.28149.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051231170457.28149.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060102102811.GF23102@kestrel> On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 09:04:57AM -0800, Quintus Murray wrote: > do I need an ISP's internet service or someone else's internet > connection shared inorder to use RONJA to connect to the internet?? Do you ride skateboard? Do you ride snowboard? CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 2 10:32:36 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:32:36 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 32, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <20051230011407.80879.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051230011407.80879.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060102103236.GG23102@kestrel> On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 05:14:07PM -0800, Quintus Murray wrote: > > 1)hi this is quintus and I would like to know what I can do or add-on > to make the ronja mobile and useable for mobile use instead of just > setting up a fixed location and haveing to mount it somewhere? You need to make some kind of heavy tripod or rig that gets hammered into soil that is stable enough. > > > 2) I would like to know what components I can use inside the ronja > in order to increase internet bandwidth speed from 10Mbps to maybe > 1Gbps or at least 100 to 500 Mbps? You cannot change the speed by changing components. The whole design has to be done again. CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 2 17:15:02 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:15:02 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] please reply my mail sir i need help In-Reply-To: <353aafeb0601020612h5754d8a1jb52863efa2767a64@mail.gmail.com> References: <353aafeb0601020612h5754d8a1jb52863efa2767a64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060102171502.GB25914@kestrel> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 07:42:38PM +0530, vipul kalia wrote: > my questions . well please reply them . > > > > 2 --> in transmitter circuit 0.6 watt mfr resistor are not available in > india so can i use 250m watt mfr resistors or 1 watt carbon film resistors . > or suggest Yes. > > 3 --> can i use combination like can i use some cfr and mfr in same circuit Yes. > . > > and please also tell me about the inductors or 8mm wire . this wire is not > available in india so what can i do . It's not 8mm wire. It's 1mm wire on 8mm diameter (pencil or so). > > can we use simple connector rather than gold plated connectors . Use gold plated if you can, otherwise simple ones. > > aslo tell me what we mean by loupe lens .. Magnifying glass lens. > > thank you > Please reply soon > > MERRY CHRISMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR The same to you. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 3 14:41:13 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:41:13 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 32, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <20051227202500.40207.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051227202500.40207.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060103144113.GC11593@kestrel> On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 12:25:00PM -0800, Quintus Murray wrote: > > > Hi this is quintus again and I would like to know what internet > applications the ronja can't do. is there a limitation to what the Anything that requires more than 10Mbps full duplexr, BER better than 10^-9, or availability better than that given by fogs. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 3 14:42:09 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:42:09 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 32, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <43B1A492.40009@seznam.cz> References: <20051227202500.40207.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> <43B1A492.40009@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20060103144209.GD11593@kestrel> On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 09:31:14PM +0100, Pavel Krejci wrote: > I guess you don't understand clearly what is ronja for... > Basically speaking it is substitution for cable wiring for long distance. > > Whatever you can do with cable, you can do with ronja. You can't hang clothes on laser beam and pigeons cannot stand on it. CL< From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Jan 3 14:49:21 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:49:21 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 32, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <20060103144113.GC11593@kestrel> References: <20051227202500.40207.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> <20060103144113.GC11593@kestrel> Message-ID: <43BA8EF1.50100@kbx.cz> This leads me to this: wouldn't be better to say fucks instead of fogs and vice versa? It sounds nearly the same and it better describes what happens when Ronja is down. Just say: FOG! FOG! FOG! :] K Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 12:25:00PM -0800, Quintus Murray wrote: > >> >>Hi this is quintus again and I would like to know what internet >>applications the ronja can't do. is there a limitation to what the > > > Anything that requires more than 10Mbps full duplexr, BER better than > 10^-9, or availability better than that given by fogs. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz at kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: kubajz.vcf Typ: text/x-vcard Velikost: 265 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060103/895ab697/kubajz.vcf From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 3 14:48:37 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:48:37 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] dalsi problem s twistrem In-Reply-To: <200512282029.8026@centrum.cz> References: <200512252013.31844@centrum.cz> <43AFD657.80302@seznam.cz> <200512282029.8026@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20060103144837.GA13991@kestrel> On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 08:29:57PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Postavil jsem 2 linky. > Ani u jednoho se mi zelena na prazdno nerozsvitila. The behaviour of green LED is undefined without valid signal. CL< > Normalne linka v pohode, TX/RX asi 200cm od sebe, zaclonim RX a zelena se nerozsviti. > Podle meho by tohle mel byt normalni stav. > Moza jsou spatne prijimace a nejak zakmitavaj kdyz nemaj uzitecnej signal, kterej je silnejsi nez > sum. > Martin > > > > >Jeste k zelene LED...rozsviti se kdyz zaclonim prijimac. Zdeno > > >? > > jo to je v pohode, ten prijimac bez signalu sumi a twistr si mysli ze > > jdou data > > > > Mirek > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 3 14:52:35 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:52:35 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] your mail In-Reply-To: <000801c60bf5$4db15c40$9664000a@max> References: <000801c60bf5$4db15c40$9664000a@max> Message-ID: <20060103145235.GA14927@kestrel> On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 10:26:02PM +0100, Max wrote: > Ahoj tak problem nejspis odhalen oba TX s ruznym designem vykazuji to > same, problem je nejspis v prepolovanych TW (obracenej stabilizator > pred casem :( ) osciloskopem namerim na Oscilatoru nejakych pri TIME > DIV na 1 u Sec cca 15 prubeju coz je ok akorat ze to je pila ne obd. Try another functional twister with the same oscilloscope. Maybe the probe is not correctly matched. Then try resoldering the oscillator. If it doesn't help and you have sockets, replace all chips. If you don't have sockets throw away the Twister and build another one. CL< > to je ale mozna moc velkym odberem z vystupu ? pac je asi spatny neco > za tim tipuju 7493 ? to TX modulu me jde rovnych 10Mhz celkem slusne > obdelniky - nejvetsi sranda je ze to mezi 2 PC pri zapojeni TW + TW v > pohode funguje :) Jestli mas cas a chut poradit napis cau MaX From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 3 16:47:44 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:47:44 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] drill bit Message-ID: <20060103164744.GA10418@kestrel> Be careful when drilling wall breakthroughts for Ronja cables: http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/drillbit.asp CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 4 11:47:50 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:47:50 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] your mail In-Reply-To: <000801c60a17$b039ee70$9664000a@max> References: <000801c60a17$b039ee70$9664000a@max> Message-ID: <20060104114750.GB31217@kestrel> On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 01:27:07PM +0100, Max wrote: > Ahoj problem s TX (hnizdo) pred tranzistorama slusnej obdelnik za nima > na 10n uz mrcha takova pila s prohnutyma hranama a za 7404 je The sawtooth is intentional. The bandwidth is reduced there to allow shift edges by voltage shift for preemphasis. > pomrsenej obdelnik nakmitanej, zkusim vymenit tranzistory (jsou ale The square behind 7404 is ugly because of oscilloscope probes. All probes I have seen make a shit from the signal. If I need to see the signal cleanly, I use plain 50Ohm cable, turn on termination in the oscilloscope and use BNC or terminal blocks for the connection (terminal blocks obviously go up to 300MHz. CL< > podle diod testu dobry a i jsem je paroval),zapojeni X krat > kontrolovane ok. From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 5 19:06:13 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:06:13 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] your mail In-Reply-To: <000c01c61126$4a3d2b30$9664000a@max> References: <000801c60a17$b039ee70$9664000a@max> <20060104114750.GB31217@kestrel> <000c01c61126$4a3d2b30$9664000a@max> Message-ID: <20060105190612.GA19208@kestrel> On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 12:59:17PM +0100, Max wrote: What situation does problem occur? When you take two Tetrapolis electronics and connect their ground together then they stop working? CL< > Ahoj zkousel jsem TW pomerit s 1 co jede na funkcnim spoji je to stejne a i > v se spojenym RX + TX vraci pakety 2x a s 2 TW za sebou mezi PC a Cisco > switchem prenasi s 0% loosem jak maji zda ale s projenymi moduly neprojde > nic (LED TW obcas blikaji ale asi je to zmrsene), divny je ze na vystupu RX > je krasnej 1Mhz obdelnik kterej se zacina amplitudove zmensovat a mrsit az > nekde pod 20 mV RSSI, mam tam ale TL592 dil 8 zkusim sehnat ty prave a > vymenit, ale i tak je na 2m RSSI asi 40mV a signal z RX musi byt krasne > citelny (temer stejny jako s RSSI radove ve voltech)na 1 MHz co to dela na > 10 kdo vi. Ronja herz nebo jinej generator nemam. MaX From bob at viacel.com Thu Jan 5 20:19:06 2006 From: bob at viacel.com (Bob Miller) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Ronja] Laser Communications Message-ID: <43BD7F3A.7020301@viacel.com> Hi I am new to this list. First post. We are exploring the possible use of laser connections for a network. Up until now the cost was always to high. One company I dealt with had a $1000 cost for a set of lasers that would work at one Gbps but they went out of business before they started. Questions. Does anyone have any idea what the issues are if you were to take the Ronja design and build it for sale or use in the USA? Liability issues? Etc. Is anyone contemplating making these commercially? Would they if there was a market? Could a kit be put together so that an end user could more easily build one themselves? What would the issue be to build an Gigabit Ethernet laser connection? I see that no one has deployed one of these in the USA so far. I would like to be the first. I know that commercial laser communication products in the US have a lot of bells and whistles and cost a lot. I would like a bare bones unit that was very reliable, easy to set up, easy to reposition if it gets jostled and would work for short distances like 200 meters even in heavy fog. Bob Miller From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 6 11:37:10 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:37:10 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Laser Communications In-Reply-To: <43BD7F3A.7020301@viacel.com> References: <43BD7F3A.7020301@viacel.com> Message-ID: <20060106113710.GA1698@kestrel> On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:19:06PM -0500, Bob Miller wrote: > Hi > > I am new to this list. First post. > > We are exploring the possible use of laser connections for a network. Up > until now the cost was always to high. One company I dealt with had a > $1000 cost for a set of lasers that would work at one Gbps but they went > out of business before they started. > > Questions. > > Does anyone have any idea what the issues are if you were to take the > Ronja design and build it for sale or use in the USA? Liability issues? Etc. I know just Czech issues. You don't have to care about telecomunications bureau because it's not radio. You have to keep it eye safe, which Ronja basically is. If you want to make it for sale then you need probably FCC, electrical safety and this kind of stuff certs. > > Is anyone contemplating making these commercially? Would they if there > was a market? Could a kit be put together so that an end user could more > easily build one themselves? > > What would the issue be to build an Gigabit Ethernet laser connection? Development, development, development... > > I see that no one has deployed one of these in the USA so far. I would > like to be the first. > > I know that commercial laser communication products in the US have a lot > of bells and whistles and cost a lot. I would like a bare bones unit > that was very reliable, easy to set up, easy to reposition if it gets Ronja is easy to reposition because you can smoothly move the fine adjustment at any time, just coming with a pair of 13mm wrenches. CL< > jostled and would work for short distances like 200 meters even in heavy > fog. > > Bob Miller > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 6 11:58:37 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:58:37 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] your mail In-Reply-To: <000a01c60f09$52010a40$9664000a@max> References: <000a01c60f09$52010a40$9664000a@max> Message-ID: <20060106115837.GA2659@kestrel> On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 08:26:52PM +0100, Max wrote: > Ahoj prosimte mrkni na ty 3 fotky prubehu z TX modulu je to u 2 TX s > ruznym designem stejne a zkouseno se 2 ruznymi TW na DPS, nejak se mi > to nezda hlavne to co jsem nameril pred 74hc04 diky MaX They seem to be OK. I just don't know what you mean with RX input. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 6 12:23:46 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:23:46 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] your mail In-Reply-To: <002401c612b9$bedf1ae0$9664000a@max> References: <000a01c60f09$52010a40$9664000a@max> <20060106115837.GA2659@kestrel> <002401c612b9$bedf1ae0$9664000a@max> Message-ID: <20060106122346.GB4733@kestrel> On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 01:07:17PM +0100, Max wrote: > Ahoj, ja jsem snad nepsal ze jsem neco meril na vstupu RX, jen na vystupu > NE592 a na vystupu do koaxu. Zkusim jeste sehnat spravne NE592 v 1 RX > vymenit a udelat si poradny zkusebni kabely, to by bylo abych na to > neprisel :) Pak dam vedet zatim MaX And do you have the RX according to Ronja guide? Photos anywhere? CL< From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 00:03:26 2006 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:03:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ronja] ULTRA SPEED internet need help with this In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060107000326.20126.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> Bob miller this is quintus murray and you brought an interesting topic like 1Gbps speed ethernet for ronja have you ever thought of makeing it portable so end-users can connect it to a satellite modem like the BGAN inmarsat mobile terminals so instead of slow 492Kbps speed they get 1Gbps for network and internet speed since the ronja can enhance ADSL from 2Mbps to 10Mbps. Maybe you can try to make 1Gbps internet speed practical. Plus if you find a way to do this successfully can you fill me in on the details of this success. plus I want to know where I can get my laser components so I get internet speed of at least 1Gbps since previously I couldn't get any help on this topic of affordable super internet. Right now I am paying $49.99 a month for 15Mbps internet speed at a cable line. While people in japan are paying $30USD or less per month for 50Mbps internet speed!!!!! I hope you can help change this and I live in NYC. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060107/d5c047dd/attachment.html From asteri_x at freemail.hu Sat Jan 7 07:40:01 2006 From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (Gy Martin) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:40:01 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] ULTRA SPEED internet need help with this In-Reply-To: <20060107000326.20126.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060107000326.20126.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43BF7051.3040001@freemail.hu> Quintus Murray wrote: > help on this topic of affordable super internet. Right now I am paying > $49.99 a month for 15Mbps internet speed at a cable line. While people Hi Quintus! You should be _very_ happy with this price/speed factor, because here in Austria i pay 40 EUR for ADSL, and this has a speed of ca.80kbyte/s and a data limit of 2 GB/month. Bye, Martin From clock at twibright.com Sun Jan 8 21:34:39 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:34:39 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Interpolis Message-ID: <20060108213439.GA23170@kestrel> Has anyone built Interpolis according to the guide (i. e. transmitter is Nebulus, not Metropolis transmitter with changed diode)? I would like to know what distance you get on the floor without optics. Thanks. CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 9 15:17:47 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:17:47 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] hello sir In-Reply-To: <353aafeb0601080659h50fbbaecp3d3e39058b59a0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <353aafeb0601080659h50fbbaecp3d3e39058b59a0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060109151747.GA7743@kestrel> On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 08:29:38PM +0530, vipul kalia wrote: > well i got my twister pcb made. well i am having a promblem well U64 that is > LM 7805 IC pin 1 & 2 are getting short that is they are showing contuinty so Is there a bridge of copper between those 2 pins on the PCB? If not, how did you find out they are shorted? > > whole of IC in circuit will 12 volt power supply and where ever pins 1,2 If 1 and 2 are shorted, all IC's will get zero and not short (and you will get blown fuse in your 12V supply). Please explain. > are to connected to 5 volts in my circuit they are getting connected to Pins 1 and 2 are never connected to 5v. 1 is connected normally to 12V and 2 to ground. Please explain. CL< > ground . > > please reply my mail soon and also tell me solution . From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Mon Jan 9 17:03:45 2006 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:03:45 -0000 Subject: [Ronja] Interpolis In-Reply-To: <20060108213439.GA23170@kestrel> References: <20060108213439.GA23170@kestrel> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:34:39 +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > Has anyone built Interpolis according to the guide (i. e. transmitter > is Nebulus, not Metropolis transmitter with changed diode)? I would like > to know what distance you get on the floor without optics. Thanks. 2,6m > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 9 19:38:31 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:38:31 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] ULTRA SPEED internet need help with this In-Reply-To: <20060107000326.20126.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060107000326.20126.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060109193831.GD18545@kestrel> On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 04:03:26PM -0800, Quintus Murray wrote: > > > Bob miller this is quintus murray and you brought an interesting topic > like 1Gbps speed ethernet for ronja have you ever thought of makeing > it portable so end-users can connect it to a satellite modem like the > BGAN inmarsat mobile terminals so instead of slow 492Kbps speed they Do you mean connecting earth-borne Ronja network to provide infrastructure for the terminal instead of satellite path? > get 1Gbps for network and internet speed since the ronja can enhance > ADSL from 2Mbps to 10Mbps. Maybe you can try to make 1Gbps internet This is a bit logical jump - 10Mbps or 1Gbps? > speed practical. Plus if you find a way to do this successfully can > you fill me in on the details of this success. > > plus I want to know where I can get my laser components so I get > internet speed of at least 1Gbps since previously I couldn't get any > help on this topic of affordable super internet. Right now I am > paying $49.99 a month for 15Mbps internet speed at a cable line. > While people in japan are paying $30USD or less per month for 50Mbps > internet speed!!!!! I hope you can help change this and I live in > NYC. You are imagining doing things that need a lot of labour to be completed. This is not bad, but to realize your plans you have to do some work. Best would be if you took some bugs from Trac that don't require expertise in Free Space Optics (unless you are an expert in Free Space Optics), and solve them. This would release my time and I could devote myself more to the development. CL< > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Kulhavy at twibright.com Tue Jan 10 12:34:44 2006 From: Kulhavy at twibright.com (Kulhavy@twibright.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:34:44 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] my questions In-Reply-To: <353aafeb0601090526q5fba4856u336b521d7a155451@mail.gmail.com> References: <353aafeb0601090526q5fba4856u336b521d7a155451@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060110123444.GA7620@kestrel> On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 06:56:13PM +0530, vipul kalia wrote: > sir i would like to which type of moduladion is used in RONJA . > > why so many capcitors are used in twister > > what is function of ic 74hc04 in transmitter . > > and funtions of all twister ic . Can you please fill 4 tickets into Ronja Trac from this? I will do it when I get to it. CL< > > i have to write report for the project . > > thank you please relpy soon > > vipul kalia From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Wed Jan 11 09:37:09 2006 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:37:09 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] proud pro HSDL-4230 In-Reply-To: References: 20060108213439.GA23170@kestrel> <20060108213439.GA23170@kestrel> Message-ID: <200601111037.19312@centrum.cz> zdravim chci se zeptat jaky proud nastavit v txu pro HSDL-4230. v datasheetu pisou az 100mA, ale bojim se ze takhle moc nevydrzi. Nekdo uz s tim myslim pokusoval, tak bych mu byl vdecny kdy mi rekl jak to resil. diky From Kulhavy at twibright.com Wed Jan 11 13:50:40 2006 From: Kulhavy at twibright.com (Kulhavy@twibright.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:50:40 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] proud pro HSDL-4230 In-Reply-To: <200601111037.19312@centrum.cz> References: <20060108213439.GA23170@kestrel> <200601111037.19312@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20060111135039.GA10635@kestrel> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:37:09AM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > zdravim > > chci se zeptat jaky proud nastavit v txu pro HSDL-4230. v datasheetu > pisou az 100mA, ale bojim se ze takhle moc nevydrzi. Nekdo uz s tim > myslim pokusoval, tak bych mu byl vdecny kdy mi rekl jak to resil. The LED current in Nebulus is regulated automatically. You don't have to care about setting it. CL< From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Jan 11 18:24:06 2006 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:24:06 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] proud pro HSDL-4230 In-Reply-To: <200601111037.19312@centrum.cz> References: 0060108213439.GA23170@kestrel> <20060108213439.GA23170@kestrel> <200601111037.19312@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200601111924.28123@centrum.cz> http://www.qsl.net/ok0bez/files/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/info.txt ______________________________________________________________ > Od: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz > Komu: > CC: > Datum: 11.01.2006 10:37 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] proud pro HSDL-4230 > > zdravim > > chci se zeptat jaky proud nastavit v txu pro HSDL-4230. v datasheetu pisou > az 100mA, ale bojim se ze takhle moc nevydrzi. Nekdo uz s tim myslim > pokusoval, tak bych mu byl vdecny kdy mi rekl jak to resil. > > diky > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060111/2ec2042b/attachment.html From Kulhavy at twibright.com Thu Jan 12 09:42:54 2006 From: Kulhavy at twibright.com (Kulhavy@twibright.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:42:54 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] http://ronja.twibright.com/interference_cz.php In-Reply-To: <200601112056.k0BKupd05119@twin.jikos.cz> References: <200601112056.k0BKupd05119@twin.jikos.cz> Message-ID: <20060112094254.GB22203@kestrel> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:56:39PM +0100, Tomas Zejdlik wrote: > Zdravim, > > nekolik poznamek k vasi strance > http://ronja.twibright.com/interference_cz.php > > a) rusici stroj z Plzne nebyl provozovan v komunitni siti - byl provozovan > komercni firmou; Diky za upozorneni, opravil jsem to. > b) veta "A to p?esto, ?e radar m? v?stupn? v?kon 305kW" je v kontextu > naprosto irelevantni - neni tu zadna souvislost s rusenim a vystupnim > vykonem; No - kdyz se vystupni vykon radaru zvysi, zvysi se i zadouci prijimaci vykon, a tim padem je potreba silnejsi ruseni k dosazeni stejneho efektu na snimek. Ale odstranil jsem to protoze to moc relevantni neni. > c) na obrazku "4 zdroje ruseni na jednom radarovem snimku" nejsou 4 zdroje > ruseni - jsou zde zdroje dva - obrazky 2+3; radialni paprsky oznacene 1 a 4 > je slunce - resp. zachycene spektrum slunecniho zareni - a to za "ruseni" ve > smyslu telekomunikacniho zakona asi povazovat nemuzeme. Diky, taky jsem opravil. To jsem si nevsiml ze (1) a (4) miri stejnym smerem. CL< From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Jan 12 11:52:45 2006 From: boza2 at volny.cz (boza2@volny.cz) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:52:45 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ronja] ruseni smeru navzajem ? Message-ID: Zdravim, mame nejake haluze: 12:11 <@phru8648> BozaCZU: uz asi vim, proc chodi ronja na gingo tak pomalu 12:11 <@phru8648> BozaCZU: vcera jsem sosal pres ronju okolo 1100KByte/sec :)) 12:12 <@guliW> phru8648: a proc to teda jede pomalu ??? 12:12 <@phru8648> guliW: protoze Rx na Gingu bere odrazy od Bhillz 12:12 <@phru8648> ta ronja rusi sama sebe :) 12:12 <@phru8648> guliW: jo, vim naprosto jiste ze vysilani Gingo -> Koren rusi protismer 12:12 <@phru8648> guliW: odlesky 12:12 <@guliW> tak to je husty :) 12:12 <@guliW> co s tim ?:) 12:13 <@phru8648> guliW: bud dat tubusy dal od sebe, nebo polarizacni folie 12:13 <@phru8648> ale napred by to chtelo jeste trosku overit 12:13 <@phru8648> treba jako vypnout ronju na Bhillz a zmerit koliky na gingu 12:15 <@guliW> phru8648: tak to je husty :) 12:16 <@ptak> phru8648: staci prekonfigurovat zebru aby jel ronjou jen jeden smer a ten druhej zakrejt 12:17 <@phru8648> ptak: neco takovyho jsem vcera provozoval, ale uz fakt musim padat ... Setkal jste se s tim nekdo ? Dejte vedet at neobjevuju kolo... Hlavne musime overit, jestli se to stava na opticke trase nebo se to deje na urovni elektroniky. Boza From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 12 14:10:17 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:10:17 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni smeru navzajem ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060112141016.GA29101@kestrel> On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 12:52:45PM +0100, boza2 at volny.cz wrote: > Zdravim, mame nejake haluze: > > 12:11 <@phru8648> BozaCZU: uz asi vim, proc chodi ronja na gingo > tak pomalu 12:11 <@phru8648> BozaCZU: vcera jsem sosal pres ronju > okolo 1100KByte/sec :)) 12:12 <@guliW> phru8648: a proc to teda > jede pomalu ??? > 12:12 <@phru8648> guliW: protoze Rx na Gingu bere odrazy od Bhillz Is Bhillz the other end? Or are you playing a more complicated Deflector in Modrany? > 12:12 <@phru8648> ta ronja rusi sama sebe :) > 12:12 <@phru8648> guliW: jo, vim naprosto jiste ze vysilani Gingo > -> Koren rusi protismer 12:12 <@phru8648> guliW: odlesky > 12:12 <@guliW> tak to je husty :) > 12:12 <@guliW> co s tim ?:) > 12:13 <@phru8648> guliW: bud dat tubusy dal od sebe, nebo > polarizacni folie 12:13 <@phru8648> ale napred by to chtelo jeste Popularization foil ;-) > trosku overit > 12:13 <@phru8648> treba jako vypnout ronju na Bhillz a zmerit > koliky na gingu 12:15 <@guliW> phru8648: tak to je husty :) > 12:16 <@ptak> phru8648: staci prekonfigurovat zebru aby jel ronjou > jen jeden smer a ten druhej zakrejt 12:17 <@phru8648> ptak: neco > takovyho jsem vcera provozoval, ale uz fakt musim padat ... > > Setkal jste se s tim nekdo ? Dejte vedet at neobjevuju kolo... > > Hlavne musime overit, jestli se to stava na opticke trase nebo se > to deje na urovni elektroniky. The other end works like a cateye so there is optical reflection. But if you compare the strength of the reflection with the strength of the actual transmitter beam, then it's absolutely uncomparable. It's more probably botched electronics. Performing a test of the track according to the new testing procedures on the Ronja page could help too. CL< > > Boza > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From asteri_x at freemail.hu Thu Jan 12 18:07:33 2006 From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (Gy Martin) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:07:33 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbit/s Ronja? In-Reply-To: <20050914153341.GA26864@kestrel> References: <430C9EE5.2040909@freemail.hu> <1124903008.2751.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <430D7A27.2030203@freemail.hu> <20050911072456.GG8442@kestrel.twibright.com> <43283488.8070503@freemail.hu> <20050914153341.GA26864@kestrel> Message-ID: <43C69AE5.6040608@freemail.hu> Hi Everyone! Anybody wants to buy Laser diodes? I have contacted Arima Optoelectronics, and they made an offer for sample laser diodes: ADL-66Z01HL ( 100mW 650nm ) : US$75/piece ADL-66502TL ( 50mW 650nm ) : US$31/piece Interrested? They told me, that 1 Gbit/s modulability is not sure, because of they use a long chip size, which makes capacitance high. I think, that 100Mbit/s is reachable. I want to buy 2 of the ADL-66502TL, if anyone else is planning to buy some, tell me, and we can share shipping costs. Bye, Martin From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 13 16:00:38 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:00:38 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Friday 13 Message-ID: <20060113160038.GA13204@kestrel> Today is Friday 13. We have just shot this picture at sunset. Here from a window. We had to close down the window quickly because zombies are fast. We have more of them, they will be good decorations for the Ronja page :) CL< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This should speed up Twister population significantly. http://ronja.twibright.com CL< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 14 18:37:42 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:37:42 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] dalsi problem s twistrem In-Reply-To: <1135587717.43afb185d8d4c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <200512252013.31844@centrum.cz> <1135587717.43afb185d8d4c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20060114183742.GA10175@kestrel> On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 10:01:57AM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > To vypada v poradku. Prostredni LED na twisteru podle clocka zelena > sviti vzdy. Zluta co ma byt bliz k 16MHz oscilatoru bez signalu sviti > temer vzdy. Pricinou The yellow one is power indicator. CL< > je sum nebo kmitani RXu. Problem je ze to nektere sitove karty > vyhodnoti jako chybovy stav a odpoji se az do restartu PC. > > > Jeste k zelene LED...rozsviti se kdyz zaclonim prijimac. Zdeno > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 14 18:38:42 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:38:42 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] dalsi problem s twistrem In-Reply-To: <000a01c609fd$ebe706c0$0201a8c0@elhamobil.cz> References: <000a01c609fd$ebe706c0$0201a8c0@elhamobil.cz> Message-ID: <20060114183842.GB10175@kestrel> On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 10:22:41AM +0100, Elspeedy wrote: > Dobre,to by tak nevadilo.Co ale s tim ze kdyz odpojim RXy a znovu > pripojim tak linka ktera pred tim bezela bez ztraty ted nejde.Kdyz ji > zapnu druhy den tak jede. Zdeno. Try what happens if the line doesn't work and you reboot the PC or switch. Does it fix the problem? CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Jan 15 10:04:24 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:04:24 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Transmitter sector marks Message-ID: <20060115100424.GA20187@kestrel> I have now also made sector marks for the transmitter. So now the population of all Ronja PCB's will be fast. See the news at http://ronja.twibright.com CL< From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Thu Jan 19 15:00:49 2006 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:00:49 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Ronja] CESNET conference Message-ID: Hi Clock! Maybe you could apply a paper for CESnet conference http://www.ces.net/conference06/conf-about.html#optical Btw, how is going work on improving metropolis rx? I used it as a base for rx in my system, and added few things like "digital output" and ac rssi output for use with my remote rssi indicator... documentation will be published as this is ronja metropolis rx fork and it will be published as soon as I finish with drawing the schematic in eagle... Please if anyone have metropolis rx drawn in eagle can you send it to me? regards, silvije From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 19 19:36:15 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:36:15 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] CESNET conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060119193615.GB15267@kestrel> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 04:00:49PM +0100, Silvije wrote: > > > Hi Clock! > > Maybe you could apply a paper for CESnet conference > http://www.ces.net/conference06/conf-about.html#optical I already have had a lecture at CESNET. I don't think it makes sense to participate there. According to the programme they seem to be interested in devices from 100Mbps up. > Btw, how is going work on improving metropolis rx? Lucas is doing some work on the RX PCB. CL< > > I used it as a base for rx in my system, and added few things like > "digital output" and ac rssi output for use with my remote rssi > indicator... documentation will be published as this is ronja > metropolis rx fork and it will be published as soon as I finish with > drawing the schematic in eagle... > > Please if anyone have metropolis rx drawn in eagle can you send it to me? > > regards, > silvije > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From anmic at fmg.sk Thu Jan 19 21:06:10 2006 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:06:10 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] rx: rssi when no signal and open box Message-ID: <43CFFF42.2090604@fmg.sk> Has anyone experienced situation like this? - rx rssi indicates about 5 mV when there is no signal and the rx box is open - rssi shows normal values when the box is closed (0.0 - 0.1 mV) Is it OK? anMic From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 20 14:33:56 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:33:56 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] rx: rssi when no signal and open box In-Reply-To: <43CFFF42.2090604@fmg.sk> References: <43CFFF42.2090604@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <20060120143355.GB3035@kestrel> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 10:06:10PM +0100, anMic wrote: > Has anyone experienced situation like this? > - rx rssi indicates about 5 mV when there is no signal and the rx box is > open > - rssi shows normal values when the box is closed (0.0 - 0.1 mV) > > Is it OK? Yes. CL< From lucasvo at gmx.ch Fri Jan 20 17:50:12 2006 From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:50:12 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] CESNET conference In-Reply-To: <20060119193615.GB15267@kestrel> References: <20060119193615.GB15267@kestrel> Message-ID: <1137779413.17649.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 20:36 +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 04:00:49PM +0100, Silvije wrote: > > > > > > Hi Clock! > > > > Maybe you could apply a paper for CESnet conference > > http://www.ces.net/conference06/conf-about.html#optical > > I already have had a lecture at CESNET. I don't think it makes sense > to participate there. According to the programme they seem to be > interested in devices from 100Mbps up. > > > Btw, how is going work on improving metropolis rx? > > Lucas is doing some work on the RX PCB. > > CL< > > > > I used it as a base for rx in my system, and added few things like > > "digital output" and ac rssi output for use with my remote rssi > > indicator... documentation will be published as this is ronja > > metropolis rx fork and it will be published as soon as I finish with > > drawing the schematic in eagle... You mean PCB ? If you use eagle, it is not UserControlledTechnology(see ronja.twibright.com). > > > > Please if anyone have metropolis rx drawn in eagle can you send it to me? > > Uhh, eagle, no, rather not :P I have made: http://ronja-svn.wservices.ch/report/file/trunk/schematics/10M_receiver_smd.pcb ) feel free to finish it :P I would say, there is about 50% done. lucas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 20.1.2006 From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Jan 22 08:01:27 2006 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:01:27 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] CESNET conference In-Reply-To: <1137779413.17649.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060119193615.GB15267@kestrel> <1137779413.17649.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200601220901.28039.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Friday 20 of January 2006 18:50, Lucas Vogelsang wrote: > You mean PCB ? If you use eagle, it is not UserControlledTechnology(see > ronja.twibright.com). Eagle, as opposed to pcb, is HumanUsableTechnology ;-) Regards, Tomek Koprowski From lucasvo at gmx.ch Sun Jan 22 11:07:12 2006 From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:07:12 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] CESNET conference In-Reply-To: <200601220901.28039.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <20060119193615.GB15267@kestrel> <1137779413.17649.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200601220901.28039.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <1137928032.5849.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 09:01 +0100, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Friday 20 of January 2006 18:50, Lucas Vogelsang wrote: > > > You mean PCB ? If you use eagle, it is not UserControlledTechnology(see > > ronja.twibright.com). > > Eagle, as opposed to pcb, is HumanUsableTechnology ;-) That's correct, but PCB doesn't get better when you NOT use it.... lucas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060122/24806fe0/attachment.bin From klapek at kki.net.pl Tue Jan 24 19:12:09 2006 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:12:09 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] CESNET conference In-Reply-To: <1137928032.5849.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200601220901.28039.klapek@kki.net.pl> <1137928032.5849.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200601242012.09956.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Sunday 22 of January 2006 12:07, Lucas Vogelsang wrote: > That's correct, but PCB doesn't get better when you NOT use it.... I know. That's a closed loop system unfortunately: hardly anyone uses PCB because it's hardly usable, so it doesn't get better, so people stay away. A piece of software should reach a "critical mass" of enthusiasts in order to become involved in an upward spiral, if it doesn't, it goes downwards. GNU/Linux achieved this and now we have a great OS. I have my doubts if gschem/pcb ever will. I once tried to complete a list of things that should be done to make gschem and pcb more usable, and I failed miserably. The feeling I got was that it should be redone from scratch :( Don't get me wrong, I'm all for those guys writing them but I think, at some point they went wrong with UI design and instead of dumping it, they carried on. I can only hope there will be someone to pick up the project and fork it just the same way that happend in sodipodi/inkscape. Greetz, Tomek Koprowski From lucasvo at gmx.ch Tue Jan 24 20:10:32 2006 From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:10:32 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] CESNET conference In-Reply-To: <200601242012.09956.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <200601220901.28039.klapek@kki.net.pl> <1137928032.5849.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200601242012.09956.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <1138133432.7168.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 20:12 +0100, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Sunday 22 of January 2006 12:07, Lucas Vogelsang wrote: > > > That's correct, but PCB doesn't get better when you NOT use it.... > > I know. That's a closed loop system unfortunately: hardly anyone > uses PCB because it's hardly usable, so it doesn't get better, > so people stay away. A piece of software should reach a "critical > mass" of enthusiasts in order to become involved in an upward spiral, Maybe you could become one? > if it doesn't, it goes downwards. GNU/Linux achieved this and now > we have a great OS. I have my doubts if gschem/pcb ever will. Not without your help > > I once tried to complete a list of things that should be done > to make gschem and pcb more usable, and I failed miserably. > The feeling I got was that it should be redone from scratch :( > > Don't get me wrong, I'm all for those guys writing them but I > think, at some point they went wrong with UI design and instead > of dumping it, they carried on. I can only hope there will > be someone to pick up the project and fork it just the same > way that happend in sodipodi/inkscape. > There will be a new GUI soon. Remade from scratch. lucas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060124/5cd6f6a7/attachment.bin From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 25 09:41:43 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:41:43 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] CESNET conference In-Reply-To: <200601242012.09956.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <200601220901.28039.klapek@kki.net.pl> <1137928032.5849.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200601242012.09956.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20060125094143.GA22536@kestrel> On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 08:12:09PM +0100, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Sunday 22 of January 2006 12:07, Lucas Vogelsang wrote: > > > That's correct, but PCB doesn't get better when you NOT use it.... > > I know. That's a closed loop system unfortunately: hardly anyone > uses PCB because it's hardly usable, so it doesn't get better, > so people stay away. A piece of software should reach a "critical > mass" of enthusiasts in order to become involved in an upward spiral, > if it doesn't, it goes downwards. GNU/Linux achieved this and now > we have a great OS. I have my doubts if gschem/pcb ever will. > > I once tried to complete a list of things that should be done > to make gschem and pcb more usable, and I failed miserably. > The feeling I got was that it should be redone from scratch :( I don't have major issues with gEDA. It fits well for the Ronja work. There are problems, but they are not significant obstacle in the development. I expect them to be resolved gradually in the future. I can already see clear improvement to what gEDA used to be in 2001. CL< > > Don't get me wrong, I'm all for those guys writing them but I > think, at some point they went wrong with UI design and instead > of dumping it, they carried on. I can only hope there will > be someone to pick up the project and fork it just the same > way that happend in sodipodi/inkscape. > > Greetz, > Tomek Koprowski > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klapek at kki.net.pl Wed Jan 25 16:35:57 2006 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:35:57 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] CESNET conference In-Reply-To: <1138133432.7168.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200601242012.09956.klapek@kki.net.pl> <1138133432.7168.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200601251735.58082.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Tuesday 24 of January 2006 21:10, Lucas Vogelsang wrote: > There will be a new GUI soon. Remade from scratch. I'll give it another try then. Greetz, Tomek Koprowski From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Jan 26 09:12:38 2006 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:12:38 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Ronjametr - zajimave grafy RSSI (graf 1) Message-ID: <200601261012.38379.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Posilam zajimavy graf RSSI z ronja linky. Delka 1km, cocky 13cm Ze by nam v 16:30 vymenili vzduch tady v PV ? S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 588 500134 mailto: zapadlo at melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 588 500134 > mailto: zapadlo at melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 26 10:11:41 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:11:41 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Ronjametr zajimavy graf c.2 In-Reply-To: <200601261013.51181.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200601261013.51181.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20060126101141.GB26648@kestrel> On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 10:13:51AM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > totez, jen z linky o delce 600m. Are the downward spikes caused by link traffic? CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 26 22:05:46 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:05:46 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Eye safety documents improved Message-ID: <20060126220546.GA820@kestrel> I have written FAQ entry what to do if eye safety inspection comes: http://ronja.twibright.com/faq/inspection.php Also filled in missing things in eye safety, radiocommunication and telecommunication laws in Czech Republic and Switzerland for Tetrapolis/Metropolis: http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/legal.php and Inferno: http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/legal.php Eye safety graphs were newly created for Tetrapolis/Metropolis, they didn't exist: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/safety_vis.ps http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/safety_vis.pdf http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/safety_vis.gnuplot CL< From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 02:59:34 2006 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:59:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ronja] 100 Mbps cable used with ronja In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060128025934.71643.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> hi quintus again and I have a cable from monster and it can handle internet speeds of up to 100 Mbps through it's cable and I would like to know if I can use it with the ronja to enhance my free wi-fi internet speed to 100 Mbps?? or my cable internet speed to 100 Mbps?? --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060128/9ebe9d77/attachment.html From lucasvo at gmx.ch Sat Jan 28 12:39:45 2006 From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:39:45 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] 100 Mbps cable used with ronja In-Reply-To: <20060128025934.71643.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060128025934.71643.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1138451987.28441.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 18:59 -0800, Quintus Murray wrote: > > > hi quintus again and I have a cable from monster and it can handle > internet speeds of up to 100 Mbps through it's cable and I would like > to know if I can use it with the ronja to enhance my free wi-fi > internet speed to 100 Mbps?? or my cable internet speed to 100 Mbps?? No, because ronja is only able to handle connection with 10mbps > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20060128/f905afc0/attachment.bin From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 30 09:06:36 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:06:36 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Tin pest Message-ID: <20060130090636.GA25405@kestrel> It looks like lead free solder may disintegrate after 1.5 year when exposed to cold weather. This may be serious issue with the optical heads, it would cause unreliability after several winters. http://materials.open.ac.uk/srg/srg_tp.htm http://www.indium.com/drlasky/files/TinPestPaper0723Final.pdf http://ap.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=Articles&Subsection=Display&ARTICLE_ID=216209 http://www.smartgroup.org/pdf/tinpest.pdf http://www.semiconfareast.com/pbfree.htm Anyhow has first-hand experience or can comment competently on the issue? Can anyone comment on health hazards of soldering with Sn-Pb solder? Does anyone know about suitable homemade measure to prevent Pb contamination of the user's organism? Is there Pb in the resulting fumes? CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 30 10:55:09 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:55:09 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] 100 Mbps cable used with ronja In-Reply-To: <20060128025934.71643.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060128025934.71643.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060130105509.GA2228@kestrel> On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 06:59:34PM -0800, Quintus Murray wrote: > > > hi quintus again and I have a cable from monster and it can handle > internet speeds of up to 100 Mbps through it's cable and I would like > to know if I can use it with the ronja to enhance my free wi-fi > internet speed to 100 Mbps?? or my cable internet speed to 100 Mbps?? Ronja can generally be used to enhance speed of Internet connection. For example by boosting WiFi. Even 1/2 of Ronja can be used to enhance WiFi downlink while leaving the uplink up to the WiFi. However enhancement to 100Mbps will be possible only when 100Mbps Ronja will be developed. Otherwise it would require about 30m wide space on roof to install 10 Ronja's. However material for 10 Ronja's is still generally cheaper than commercial 100Mbps solution. What is the problem here is the building time. CL< > > > --------------------------------- > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja