From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 1 19:13:01 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:13:01 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] gschem video Message-ID: <20061201191301.GA7123@kestrel.twibright.com> Hello I made a video how to draw a simple circuit in gschem. It's in the vncrec format. It's zipped by bzip2. vncrec: http://www.sodan.org/~penny/vncrec/ http://ronja.twibright.com/video/gschem.vnc.bz2 Usage: download, bzip2 -d gschem.vnc.bz2, vncrec -play gschem.vnc CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 5 13:39:46 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:39:46 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] gschem usage video - AVI Message-ID: <20061205133946.GA14780@kestrel.twibright.com> http://ronja.twibright.com/video/gschem.avi CL< From rootmj_konf at seznam.cz Wed Dec 6 11:48:26 2006 From: rootmj_konf at seznam.cz (Jurosz Michal) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:48:26 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] en.wikipedia.org - RONJA Message-ID: <4576AE0A.4050704@seznam.cz> Zdravim, uzivatel AbsolutDan navrhl clanek RONJA na en Wikipedi ke smazani, protoze se najedna o "notable product". Nekdo by se na to mohl podivat. Moc protiargumentu jsem nenase. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:RONJA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RONJA -- S pozdravem Michal Jurosz From seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Dec 7 22:06:35 2006 From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:06:35 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Nove plosnaky Message-ID: <1165529195.4578906b73bf6@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Chystam se udelat novy plasnak pro TX. Ma nekdo neco proti tomu aby na nem byl spinany zdroj s MC34063? Dale uvazuji ze by se udelala verze 1.5 od tohodle http://wiki.twibright.com/index.php/RxPcbSeligr V planu je doplnit proudovy vystup na mereni rssi a vylepsit ochranu proti prepeti a prepolovani napajeni. From antitron at web.de Fri Dec 8 21:11:09 2006 From: antitron at web.de (Thomas Egenhofer) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:11:09 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] worst-case with Q103 in the receiver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1165612269.14592.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> hi again, i'm back with another few and annoying question but please bear with it. (i'm just asking because i had the very same problem with my own receiver circuit of a slower, low-cost fso) it's about Q103 in the receiver. from what i figured out it's why you have to limit the receiver for short-distance links. well isn't it possible that the BE-voltage of Q103 can swing into a negative value ( if the signal is strong enough.. means about 2xVbe-pp(>~1,4V)and more). in my case this caused the current to flow through the BE-diode part of the transistor right onto the base-capacitor and "flooding" it. than the be differential voltage on the base of Q102 and Q103 would be unfortunate and causing the circuit to not work like it's supposed to do. well in case this IS the case and you want to correct it (thus making low-distance tuning not neccessary anymore... you could either use the 2 transistors in a cascode wiring (little bit bad to tune the needed voltages- i did this in my circuit(remember mine is not the ronja rec.) or add 2 diodes. one in front of each transistor base. (the one of Q102 might be better build between the 2 6.8k and the 1k resistor. jep this is pure theory and i won't stop you from blaming me for. but can anyone confirm this behavior of the circuit? oh and another small addition. from my experiments it's very good to highpass the low-frequency's out of the signal after every (reasonable high) amplification. so adding a second capacitor after C167 and ground the wire between them over an ~500 Ohm resistor might improve signal quality,too. greetings thomas e ps:this is the only part of the receiver which worries me. the rest is a prefect design as far as i can tell. ps:ps:if you use 2 diodes for reverse-voltage protection you can avoid to short-circuit the power-supply :) From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 12 11:25:52 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:25:52 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] en.wikipedia.org - RONJA In-Reply-To: <4576AE0A.4050704@seznam.cz> References: <4576AE0A.4050704@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20061212112552.GA30794@kestrel.twibright.com> On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 12:48:26PM +0100, Jurosz Michal wrote: > Zdravim, > > uzivatel AbsolutDan navrhl clanek RONJA na en Wikipedi ke smazani, > protoze se najedna o "notable product". Nekdo by se na to mohl podivat. Tak asi na Wikipediu 139 instalaci neni dost notable :) CL< > Moc protiargumentu jsem nenase. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:RONJA > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RONJA > > -- > S pozdravem Michal Jurosz > > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 12 11:38:00 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:38:00 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Nove plosnaky In-Reply-To: <1165529195.4578906b73bf6@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <1165529195.4578906b73bf6@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20061212113759.GE30794@kestrel.twibright.com> On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 11:06:35PM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > Chystam se udelat novy plasnak pro TX. Ma nekdo neco proti tomu aby na nem byl > spinany zdroj s MC34063? V jakem programu se to chystas udelat? CL< > > Dale uvazuji ze by se udelala verze 1.5 od tohodle > http://wiki.twibright.com/index.php/RxPcbSeligr > V planu je doplnit proudovy vystup na mereni rssi a vylepsit ochranu proti > prepeti a prepolovani napajeni. > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 12 15:09:08 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:09:08 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] worst-case with Q103 in the receiver? In-Reply-To: <1165612269.14592.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1165612269.14592.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061212150907.GA16258@kestrel.twibright.com> On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 10:11:09PM +0100, Thomas Egenhofer wrote: > hi again, > i'm back with another few and annoying question but please bear with it. You don't have to humiliate yourself in advance to make sure you won't be kicked or shouted at. This is neither OpenBSD mailing list, nor Gentoo bugtracker, nor a date with a girl. > (i'm just asking because i had the very same problem with my own > receiver circuit of a slower, low-cost fso) > it's about Q103 in the receiver. > from what i figured out it's why you have to limit the receiver for > short-distance links. > well isn't it possible that the BE-voltage of Q103 can swing into a > negative value ( if the signal is strong enough.. means about > 2xVbe-pp(>~1,4V)and more). The circuit is designed to cope with this case. When the BE voltage is negative, the transistor just turns off. > in my case this caused the current to flow through the BE-diode part of > the transistor right onto the base-capacitor and "flooding" it. I don't understand how it could. If BE voltage is negative, no current flows through the BE diode. > than the be differential voltage on the base of Q102 and Q103 would be > unfortunate and causing the circuit to not work like it's supposed to > do. > > well in case this IS the case and you want to correct it (thus making > low-distance tuning not neccessary anymore... you could either use the 2 The low distance tuning is not because of the end transistors. It's because the NE592 doesn't seem to like too strong signals. Or maybe the Q101. I am not sure. I am trying to improve this with my new all-transistor design. Though it's difficult. Imagine you want to genetically engineer a musician to be able to hear a flute over 1.4km, but at the same time to be resistant to damage when someone places a gun next to his ear and pulls the trigger. CL< > transistors in a cascode wiring (little bit bad to tune the needed > voltages- i did this in my circuit(remember mine is not the ronja rec.) > or add 2 diodes. one in front of each transistor base. (the one of Q102 > might be better build between the 2 6.8k and the 1k resistor. > > jep this is pure theory and i won't stop you from blaming me for. > but can anyone confirm this behavior of the circuit? > > oh and another small addition. from my experiments it's very good to > highpass the low-frequency's out of the signal after every (reasonable > high) amplification. so adding a second capacitor after C167 and ground > the wire between them over an ~500 Ohm resistor might improve signal > quality,too. > > greetings > thomas e > > ps:this is the only part of the receiver which worries me. the rest is a > prefect design as far as i can tell. > ps:ps:if you use 2 diodes for reverse-voltage protection you can avoid > to short-circuit the power-supply :) > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From antitron at web.de Wed Dec 13 12:42:46 2006 From: antitron at web.de (Thomas Egenhofer) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:42:46 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] worst-case with Q103 in the receiver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1166013766.2368.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > (i'm just asking because i had the very same problem with my own > > receiver circuit of a slower, low-cost fso) > > it's about Q103 in the receiver. > > from what i figured out it's why you have to limit the receiver for > > short-distance links. > > well isn't it possible that the BE-voltage of Q103 can swing into a > > negative value ( if the signal is strong enough.. means about > > 2xVbe-pp(>~1,4V)and more). > > The circuit is designed to cope with this case. When the BE voltage is > negative, the transistor just turns off. ah... now i see.. guess i messed up np-transitions again... stupid me. which makes me wonders again why my rec. was chocked... > The low distance tuning is not because of the end transistors. It's because > the NE592 doesn't seem to like too strong signals. Or maybe the Q101. I am > not sure. I am trying to improve this with my new all-transistor design. sounds good =). i cant bring myself to trust in ic's after all (except logic) > Though it's difficult. Imagine you want to genetically engineer a musician to > be able to hear a flute over 1.4km, but at the same time to be resistant to > damage when someone places a gun next to his ear and pulls the trigger. i know^^ i'm fighting the same problem but since your signal is digital it is possible. oh and try band-passing (or at least high-passes). they sometimes greatly help to avoid overdriving the amp from low-frequency noise. From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 13 16:01:21 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:01:21 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Independent sources Message-ID: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> Wikipedia wants to delete the article about Ronja because it doesn't have enough "independent sources": "An independent source is a source which describes a topic from the outside. For example, in the case of a website, an independent source would be newspaper coverage of the site rather than the site itself; for a recording artist, an independent source would be a review of the artist rather than album sleeve notes or a press release." Do you know about anyone (website etc.) who wrote about Ronja so this source could be added? CL< From hnizdil at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 19:40:14 2006 From: hnizdil at gmail.com (Honza Hnizdil) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:40:14 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Independent sources In-Reply-To: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> References: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> Message-ID: Ahoj, Psal sem ukol z popisny statistiky a uzil jsem RONJA data (seznam realizovanejch spoju dvakrat zmensenej a delky spoju zaokrouhleny na desitky metru). Asi to nebude nezavislej zdroj, ale co kdyby;) Mozna tam jsou i nejaky chyby. http://belakos.web.klfree.net/Hnizdil-UkolSTP201.doc (case sensitive!) On 12/13/06, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > Wikipedia wants to delete the article about Ronja because it doesn't have > enough "independent sources": "An independent source is a source which > describes a topic from the outside. For example, in the case of a website, an > independent source would be newspaper coverage of the site rather than the site > itself; for a recording artist, an independent source would be a review of the > artist rather than album sleeve notes or a press release." > > Do you know about anyone (website etc.) who wrote about Ronja so this source > could be added? > > CL< > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kubajz at kbx.cz Wed Dec 13 20:00:08 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:00:08 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Independent sources In-Reply-To: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> References: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> Message-ID: <45805BC8.9010503@kbx.cz> I did my best to find an independent source which is reviewing RONJA. Nevertheless I found this very cheerful: http://www.shopping.no/Ronja_.htm - scroll the page to its end :] Sporilovske noviny write about HELL project which employs RONJA http://www.sporilov.info/view.php?cisloclanku=2006100017 the article is borrowed from magazine Sdelovaci technika - this is independent source. Another source talking about homemade FSO: http://www.dailywireless.org/2002/06/20/free-space-optics/ K Karel Kulhavy wrote: > Wikipedia wants to delete the article about Ronja because it doesn't have > enough "independent sources": "An independent source is a source which > describes a topic from the outside. For example, in the case of a website, an > independent source would be newspaper coverage of the site rather than the site > itself; for a recording artist, an independent source would be a review of the > artist rather than album sleeve notes or a press release." > > Do you know about anyone (website etc.) who wrote about Ronja so this source > could be added? > > CL< > -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Wed Dec 13 20:07:27 2006 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:07:27 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Independent sources References: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> Message-ID: <001a01c71ef2$4fe2c8d0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Smarja, ta statistika je ale veda :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honza Hnizdil" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Independent sources > Ahoj, > > Psal sem ukol z popisny statistiky a uzil jsem RONJA data (seznam > realizovanejch spoju dvakrat zmensenej a delky spoju zaokrouhleny na > desitky metru). Asi to nebude nezavislej zdroj, ale co kdyby;) Mozna > tam jsou i nejaky chyby. > > http://belakos.web.klfree.net/Hnizdil-UkolSTP201.doc (case sensitive!) > > On 12/13/06, Karel Kulhavy wrote: >> Wikipedia wants to delete the article about Ronja because it doesn't have >> enough "independent sources": "An independent source is a source which >> describes a topic from the outside. For example, in the case of a >> website, an >> independent source would be newspaper coverage of the site rather than >> the site >> itself; for a recording artist, an independent source would be a review >> of the >> artist rather than album sleeve notes or a press release." >> >> Do you know about anyone (website etc.) who wrote about Ronja so this >> source >> could be added? >> >> CL< >> >> -- >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja na lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hnizdil at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 20:19:42 2006 From: hnizdil at gmail.com (Honza Hnizdil) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:19:42 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Independent sources In-Reply-To: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> References: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> Message-ID: What about article on klfree.net? "Ruda zare na kladnem": http://klfree.net/view.php?cisloclanku=2004102401 The article is about installing and aiming a new link. On 12/13/06, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > Wikipedia wants to delete the article about Ronja because it doesn't have > enough "independent sources": "An independent source is a source which > describes a topic from the outside. For example, in the case of a website, an > independent source would be newspaper coverage of the site rather than the site > itself; for a recording artist, an independent source would be a review of the > artist rather than album sleeve notes or a press release." > > Do you know about anyone (website etc.) who wrote about Ronja so this source > could be added? > > CL< > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kubajz at kbx.cz Wed Dec 13 20:25:53 2006 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:25:53 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Independent sources In-Reply-To: <001a01c71ef2$4fe2c8d0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> <001a01c71ef2$4fe2c8d0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <458061D1.80807@kbx.cz> Jsem si to tedy take otevrel - je neuveritelne, kolik se toho da nakecat o velicine delky spoje. To bych nevymyslel, ani kdyby me na tyden nekam zavreli s tou tabulkou o samote. btw: Je Ronja stastnejsi, kdyz je bohatsi o vypoctene hodnoty? :] K Cipis wrote: > Smarja, ta statistika je ale veda :-) > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Honza Hnizdil" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Independent sources > > >> Ahoj, >> >> Psal sem ukol z popisny statistiky a uzil jsem RONJA data (seznam >> realizovanejch spoju dvakrat zmensenej a delky spoju zaokrouhleny na >> desitky metru). Asi to nebude nezavislej zdroj, ale co kdyby;) Mozna >> tam jsou i nejaky chyby. >> >> http://belakos.web.klfree.net/Hnizdil-UkolSTP201.doc (case sensitive!) >> >> On 12/13/06, Karel Kulhavy wrote: >>> Wikipedia wants to delete the article about Ronja because it doesn't have >>> enough "independent sources": "An independent source is a source which >>> describes a topic from the outside. For example, in the case of a >>> website, an >>> independent source would be newspaper coverage of the site rather than >>> the site >>> itself; for a recording artist, an independent source would be a review >>> of the >>> artist rather than album sleeve notes or a press release." >>> >>> Do you know about anyone (website etc.) who wrote about Ronja so this >>> source >>> could be added? >>> >>> CL< >>> >>> -- >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >>> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> -- >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' From hnizdil at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 22:25:38 2006 From: hnizdil at gmail.com (Honza Hnizdil) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:25:38 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Independent sources In-Reply-To: <458061D1.80807@kbx.cz> References: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> <001a01c71ef2$4fe2c8d0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <458061D1.80807@kbx.cz> Message-ID: :D No pri psani sem se drzel osnovy. Sam bych toho taky tolik nenavymejslel. Stastnejsi nevim, ale myslel sem, ze by to mohl by ten nezavislej zdroj. I kdyz poradne nevim, co se nezavislym zdrojem mysli. On 12/13/06, Jakub Sykora wrote: > Jsem si to tedy take otevrel - je neuveritelne, kolik se toho da nakecat > o velicine delky spoje. To bych nevymyslel, ani kdyby me na tyden nekam > zavreli s tou tabulkou o samote. > > btw: Je Ronja stastnejsi, kdyz je bohatsi o vypoctene hodnoty? :] > > K > > Cipis wrote: > > Smarja, ta statistika je ale veda :-) > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Honza Hnizdil" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Independent sources > > > > > >> Ahoj, > >> > >> Psal sem ukol z popisny statistiky a uzil jsem RONJA data (seznam > >> realizovanejch spoju dvakrat zmensenej a delky spoju zaokrouhleny na > >> desitky metru). Asi to nebude nezavislej zdroj, ale co kdyby;) Mozna > >> tam jsou i nejaky chyby. > >> > >> http://belakos.web.klfree.net/Hnizdil-UkolSTP201.doc (case sensitive!) > >> > >> On 12/13/06, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >>> Wikipedia wants to delete the article about Ronja because it doesn't have > >>> enough "independent sources": "An independent source is a source which > >>> describes a topic from the outside. For example, in the case of a > >>> website, an > >>> independent source would be newspaper coverage of the site rather than > >>> the site > >>> itself; for a recording artist, an independent source would be a review > >>> of the > >>> artist rather than album sleeve notes or a press release." > >>> > >>> Do you know about anyone (website etc.) who wrote about Ronja so this > >>> source > >>> could be added? > >>> > >>> CL< > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >> -- > >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > -- > Jakub S?kora > email: kubajz at kbx.cz <') > ICQ: 68976632 ( =- > mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 14 18:30:04 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:30:04 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Independent sources In-Reply-To: <45805BC8.9010503@kbx.cz> References: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> <45805BC8.9010503@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <20061214183004.GA3182@kestrel.twibright.com> On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 09:00:08PM +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: > I did my best to find an independent source which is reviewing RONJA. > > Nevertheless I found this very cheerful: > > http://www.shopping.no/Ronja_.htm - scroll the page to its end :] Astrid Lindgren is 0wnzz0red ;-) CL< > > Sporilovske noviny write about HELL project which employs RONJA > http://www.sporilov.info/view.php?cisloclanku=2006100017 > the article is borrowed from magazine Sdelovaci technika - this is > independent source. > > Another source talking about homemade FSO: > http://www.dailywireless.org/2002/06/20/free-space-optics/ > > K > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > Wikipedia wants to delete the article about Ronja because it doesn't have > > enough "independent sources": "An independent source is a source which > > describes a topic from the outside. For example, in the case of a website, an > > independent source would be newspaper coverage of the site rather than the site > > itself; for a recording artist, an independent source would be a review of the > > artist rather than album sleeve notes or a press release." > > > > Do you know about anyone (website etc.) who wrote about Ronja so this source > > could be added? > > > > CL< > > > > -- > Jakub S?kora > email: kubajz at kbx.cz <') > ICQ: 68976632 ( =- > mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 14 18:31:36 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:31:36 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Independent sources In-Reply-To: <458061D1.80807@kbx.cz> References: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> <001a01c71ef2$4fe2c8d0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <458061D1.80807@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <20061214183136.GB3182@kestrel.twibright.com> On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 09:25:53PM +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: > Jsem si to tedy take otevrel - je neuveritelne, kolik se toho da nakecat > o velicine delky spoje. To bych nevymyslel, ani kdyby me na tyden nekam > zavreli s tou tabulkou o samote. Podle toho co tu ted pises jsem si to otevrel a tesil jsem se, ze tam budou urcite analyzy korelace mezi delkou spoje a prumerem cocky, a ty tam ani nebyly :) > > btw: Je Ronja stastnejsi, kdyz je bohatsi o vypoctene hodnoty? :] Spis se zda ze to lidi nevyuzivaj na maximalni dylku - pro neznaleho by to mohlo pusobit dojmem, ze Ronja je krap a specifikace na websitu je nadnesena :) CL< > > K > > Cipis wrote: > > Smarja, ta statistika je ale veda :-) > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Honza Hnizdil" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Independent sources > > > > > >> Ahoj, > >> > >> Psal sem ukol z popisny statistiky a uzil jsem RONJA data (seznam > >> realizovanejch spoju dvakrat zmensenej a delky spoju zaokrouhleny na > >> desitky metru). Asi to nebude nezavislej zdroj, ale co kdyby;) Mozna > >> tam jsou i nejaky chyby. > >> > >> http://belakos.web.klfree.net/Hnizdil-UkolSTP201.doc (case sensitive!) > >> > >> On 12/13/06, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >>> Wikipedia wants to delete the article about Ronja because it doesn't have > >>> enough "independent sources": "An independent source is a source which > >>> describes a topic from the outside. For example, in the case of a > >>> website, an > >>> independent source would be newspaper coverage of the site rather than > >>> the site > >>> itself; for a recording artist, an independent source would be a review > >>> of the > >>> artist rather than album sleeve notes or a press release." > >>> > >>> Do you know about anyone (website etc.) who wrote about Ronja so this > >>> source > >>> could be added? > >>> > >>> CL< > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >> -- > >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > -- > Jakub S?kora > email: kubajz at kbx.cz <') > ICQ: 68976632 ( =- > mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From anmic at fmg.sk Thu Dec 14 20:09:42 2006 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:09:42 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Independent sources In-Reply-To: <45805BC8.9010503@kbx.cz> References: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> <45805BC8.9010503@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <4581AF86.5010309@fmg.sk> > Another source talking about homemade FSO: > http://www.dailywireless.org/2002/06/20/free-space-optics/ > To Clock: A link from the page above points to atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/ronja/ which is redirected to twibright.com/ronja where 404 error occurs. A 301 redirect to the proper homepage url should fix it. JM > K > From honza at hoidekr.net Sun Dec 17 20:24:51 2006 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:24:51 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na prodej Message-ID: <4585A793.9070008@hoidekr.net> Ahoj. Mame na prodej cely spoj Ronja, ktery byl umisten 3 roky v siti na vesnici. Staveli jsme ho jako nadsenci do teto technologie, kdy WiFi bylo drahe, a meli jsme dostatek casu. Spoj bezel na vzdalenost asi 150m. Vypadky byly jen pri mlze, kdy nebylo videt na druhy konec. Popis: Kompletni spoj - 2ks Twister, 2ks vysilaci a prijimaci cast (RX/TX + mechanika) Cocky TX 9cm, RX 10cm (vietnamci prodali 2 mensi ...) Napajeci zdroj pro Twister TP kabely s pripravenym napajenim Zavady: - vytapeni jsme nikdy nepouzili (cocky se nemlzily ... ) - jedna krabicka twisteru se rozpadla, ale na funkci to nema vliv ;-) - chybi jeden napajeci zdroj Dale nabizime: - 2ks AUI interface, ktere fungovaly pred nasazenim Twisteru - kompletni elektroniku dalsiho spoje, ktery jsme nedodelali. (2ks Twister, 2ks RX, 2ks TX). Twister je na PCB, RX, TX ve hnizde. V elektronice je nejaka chyba, kdy data chvilku prochazi a chvilku ne, staci se toho dotknout, projit okolo apod. Vice jsem to uz neresili a lezi to ve skrini. Fotky na www.zernovice.net/ronja Chceme se zarizeni zbavit a nekomu jiste pomuze.Slouzilo vyborne. Cenu nabidnete, urcite se domluvime. Nabidky a dotazy posilejte na email. Honza Hoidekr Zernovice, okres Prachatice www.zernovice.net From clock at twibright.com Sun Dec 31 17:33:47 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:33:47 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na prodej In-Reply-To: <4585A793.9070008@hoidekr.net> References: <4585A793.9070008@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <20061231173347.GA30198@kestrel.twibright.com> On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 09:24:51PM +0100, Jan Hoidekr wrote: > Ahoj. > Mame na prodej cely spoj Ronja, ktery byl umisten 3 roky v > siti na vesnici. Staveli jsme ho jako nadsenci do teto > technologie, kdy WiFi bylo drahe, a meli jsme dostatek casu. > > Spoj bezel na vzdalenost asi 150m. Vypadky byly jen pri > mlze, kdy nebylo videt na druhy konec. > > Popis: > Kompletni spoj - 2ks Twister, 2ks vysilaci a prijimaci cast > (RX/TX + mechanika) > Cocky TX 9cm, RX 10cm (vietnamci prodali 2 mensi ...) > Napajeci zdroj pro Twister > TP kabely s pripravenym napajenim > > Zavady: > - vytapeni jsme nikdy nepouzili (cocky se nemlzily ... ) > - jedna krabicka twisteru se rozpadla, ale na funkci to nema > vliv ;-) > - chybi jeden napajeci zdroj > > Dale nabizime: > - 2ks AUI interface, ktere fungovaly pred nasazenim Twisteru > > - kompletni elektroniku dalsiho spoje, ktery jsme > nedodelali. (2ks Twister, 2ks RX, 2ks TX). Twister je na > PCB, RX, TX ve hnizde. V elektronice je nejaka chyba, kdy > data chvilku prochazi a chvilku ne, staci se toho dotknout, > projit okolo apod. Vice jsem to uz neresili a lezi to ve skrini. > > Fotky na www.zernovice.net/ronja Muzu si dat fotky do galerie pod licenci GFDL? Diky, CL< > > Chceme se zarizeni zbavit a nekomu jiste pomuze.Slouzilo > vyborne. > > Cenu nabidnete, urcite se domluvime. > Nabidky a dotazy posilejte na email. > > Honza Hoidekr > Zernovice, okres Prachatice > www.zernovice.net > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Dec 31 17:10:09 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:10:09 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Independent sources In-Reply-To: <4581AF86.5010309@fmg.sk> References: <20061213160121.GA3252@kestrel.twibright.com> <45805BC8.9010503@kbx.cz> <4581AF86.5010309@fmg.sk> Message-ID: <20061231171009.GA2903@kestrel.twibright.com> On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 09:09:42PM +0100, anMic wrote: > > Another source talking about homemade FSO: > > http://www.dailywireless.org/2002/06/20/free-space-optics/ > > > > To Clock: > A link from the page above points to > atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/ronja/ > which is redirected to twibright.com/ronja where 404 error occurs. Thanks fixed. CL< > > A 301 redirect to the proper homepage url should fix it. > > JM > > > K > > > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Dec 31 20:20:04 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:20:04 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA v lomnici n pop In-Reply-To: References: <20061128192402.GA20571@kestrel.twibright.com> Message-ID: <20061231202004.GB13795@kestrel.twibright.com> On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 08:34:02PM +0100, Petr Kracik wrote: > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:24:02 +0100, Karel Kulhavy > wrote: > > > Muzu pouzit nejaky fotky pod GFDL do galerie? Diky, > > CL< > > Ja myslim ze urcite,, jestli jsou nejake pouzitelne :) Diky - pouzil jsem tvou fotku Twistera s tuzkou tady http://ronja.twibright.com/easy.php CL< > > > Which parts of the instructions did you find easy and which difficult? > > CL< > > Jestli tuto otazku si prekladam dobre,,, tak asi nejtezsi bylo Rxo ;) > opravdu v 1 cloveku a trafopajkou docela zahul... > a asi nejjednodussi byl twister do tistaku... > a s instrukcema stavebnima predpokladam,,, no ja proste vzal schema a > podle toho cca jel... u Txa sem tusim pouzil trochu ten > "poradnik" jak pajet co driv a co pozdeji,, jinak sem jel podle schematu a > podle fotek z jinych Tx/Rx > > sry ze ti to nenapisu ang.. ale to je to posledni co bych asi ted > zvladnul, poskladat gramaticky dobre vetu :) > > s p. Petrkr > > Jabber: petrkr at freelom.net > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Dec 31 20:43:54 2006 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:43:54 +0100 Subject: [Ronja] Making the instructions easier In-Reply-To: <456E03F6.7020507@kbx.cz> References: <20061128185003.GA21523@kestrel.twibright.com> <20061129113636.GB16674@kestrel.twibright.com> <456E03F6.7020507@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <20061231204354.GA29537@kestrel.twibright.com> On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 11:04:38PM +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: > What about replacing Models with Ronja Models? Ordinary reader asks > Models of what? What models? Adding an hyphen with model names is a good > idea indeed. > > If you would like to confuse readers at maximum, you can use Ronja > Models' Modules or maybe better Ronja Models'n'Modules and mix the > contents together. But I think this is hell highway... That reminds me that I heard somethere Highway To Hell that had exactly the right level of rock for me - now I checked, AC/DC is too pussie and Marilyn Manson is too hard - any idea who could have been that? And btw happy new year! CL< > > K > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 10:30:42PM +0100, J.D. Bakker wrote: > >>> Do you have an idea how the Ronja instructions could be made easier? > >> Two related points: > >> > >> - The structuring of the instructions makes it very inconvenient to > >> find specific things. Not every user will find it convenient to > >> follow the path you force them to take. For example, I have often > >> looked for particular parts of the instructions, such as the BOM for > >> the twister2, and found it very frustrating to have to hunt through > >> different sections. If you must retain the current structure, I would > >> suggest you make the 'Contents' pages (like > >> http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/) more verbose [I see you have > >> done some restructuring since I last looked, but I would still > >> suggest adding more info to the 'Contents'-page] > > > > I don't have to retain the current structure. It could be changed but it > > would probably take a lot of time, depending on how systemic change it would > > be. > > > > Now I got an idea about the "Models" and "Modules" on the title page. If you > > see "models" and "modules", you have to max out your brain to grab these > > abstract concepts, figure out the subtle difference between those two almost > > identical words, and figure out if these abstract concepts encompass the real > > thing (Twister) you are looking for. > > > > What about replacing Models with "Models - Tetrapolis, Inferno, ... where > > Tetrapolis, Inferno and ... would be links > > and Modules with Modules - Twister2, RX, TX, infra RX, ... > > > > and do the same with the contents pages like > > http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/ ? > > > > Any suggestion what more could be added to those http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/ -style > > content pages? > > > >> - Similarly, you may want to add basic navigation buttons on the top > >> and bottom of all build pages. A page like > >> http://ronja.twibright.com/twister2/tools.php might include links > >> such as 'Back - to materials', 'Forward - to PCB manufacture' and 'Up > >> - to (Building the) Ronja Twister2'. > > > > Such navigation is a bit confusing for me personally. You have multiple routes > > to the same destination. Does it have any more benefits than that it spares > > one hit of a back button? > > > > CL< > >> JDB. > >> -- > >> LART. 250 MIPS under one Watt. Free hardware design files. > >> http://www.lartmaker.nl/ > >> > >> -- > >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Jakub S?kora > email: kubajz at kbx.cz <') > ICQ: 68976632 ( =- > mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja