From krepa at seznam.cz  Wed Nov  2 08:19:17 2005
From: krepa at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Pavel=20Krejci?=)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:19:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Ronja] pan tilt mechanical info..
Message-ID: <484.1208-1443-1747143186-1130919556@seznam.cz>

See below response form sales and pricelist in attachment.
PK.

--

Thanks for your inquiry. Please find attached general pricing information for our pan-tilt units. Your project looks interested. Indeed we have customers who are using our pan-tilt units for communications links. Please let me know if you have questions or would like a quotation. Sincerely, David.

David Gaw
VP Sales & Marketing
Directed Perception, Inc.
dgaw at dperception.com
(650) 342-9399 ext. 201

[This message is intended only for the addressee(s), and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the recipient of this message is not an addressee, please notify us immediately by telephone.]


-----Original Message-----
From: krepa at seznam.cz [mailto:krepa at seznam.cz]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:22 PM
To: dpactlead01 at dperception.com
Subject: WEBFORM - Info/Pricing


<Email> krepa at seznam.cz
<Company> Praha12.net
<Firstname> Pavel
<Lastname> Krejci
<Title>
<Telephone> 604214265
<Country> CZECH REPUBLIC
<Pantiltneed> reference
<Industry> other
<Application> other
<Project Type> custom
<Send Pricing> yes
<Contact Me> no
<More Info> no
<New Products> yes
<Comments> Optical link network. See ronja.twibright.com

I would like to know pricing for PTU-D46-70 and PTU-D300.

Thank you very much.
Regards,
Pavel Krejci








-----Original Message-----
From: ronja-bounces+krepa=seznam.cz at lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+krepa=seznam.cz at lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Sorin Popa
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 21:48
To: ronja at lists.pointless.net
Subject: [Ronja] pan tilt mechanical info..


anyoane try with this kind of mechanical parts? http://www.dperception.com/pdf/PTU-D300_datasheet_new.pdf
 :)))))))
it would be great.. :)


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From clock at twibright.com  Wed Nov  2 11:05:57 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:05:57 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] pan tilt mechanical info..
In-Reply-To: <484.1208-1443-1747143186-1130919556@seznam.cz>
References: <484.1208-1443-1747143186-1130919556@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <20051102110557.GA15829@kestrel>

On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 09:19:17AM +0100, Pavel Krejci wrote:
> See below response form sales and pricelist in attachment.
> PK.

2100$. I don't want to sound sarcastic, but you have material for 10.5
Ronja links for this price ;-)

CL<
> 
> --
> 
> Thanks for your inquiry. Please find attached general pricing information for our pan-tilt units. Your project looks interested. Indeed we have customers who are using our pan-tilt units for communications links. Please let me know if you have questions or would like a quotation. Sincerely, David.
> 
> David Gaw
> VP Sales & Marketing
> Directed Perception, Inc.
> dgaw at dperception.com
> (650) 342-9399 ext. 201
> 
> [This message is intended only for the addressee(s), and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the recipient of this message is not an addressee, please notify us immediately by telephone.]
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: krepa at seznam.cz [mailto:krepa at seznam.cz]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:22 PM
> To: dpactlead01 at dperception.com
> Subject: WEBFORM - Info/Pricing
> 
> 
> <Email> krepa at seznam.cz
> <Company> Praha12.net
> <Firstname> Pavel
> <Lastname> Krejci
> <Title>
> <Telephone> 604214265
> <Country> CZECH REPUBLIC
> <Pantiltneed> reference
> <Industry> other
> <Application> other
> <Project Type> custom
> <Send Pricing> yes
> <Contact Me> no
> <More Info> no
> <New Products> yes
> <Comments> Optical link network. See ronja.twibright.com
> 
> I would like to know pricing for PTU-D46-70 and PTU-D300.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> Regards,
> Pavel Krejci
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ronja-bounces+krepa=seznam.cz at lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+krepa=seznam.cz at lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Sorin Popa
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 21:48
> To: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> Subject: [Ronja] pan tilt mechanical info..
> 
> 
> anyoane try with this kind of mechanical parts? http://www.dperception.com/pdf/PTU-D300_datasheet_new.pdf
>  :)))))))
> it would be great.. :)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja



From krepa at seznam.cz  Wed Nov  2 11:25:57 2005
From: krepa at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Pavel=20Krejci?=)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 12:25:57 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Ronja] pan tilt mechanical info..
In-Reply-To: <20051102110557.GA15829@kestrel>
Message-ID: <484.1214-1887-32153389-1130930757@seznam.cz>

This is life, I just did not want to leave that item to appear promising. :o)

PK




> ------------ Puvodni zprava ------------
> Od: Karel Kulhavy <clock at twibright.com>
> Predmet: Re: [Ronja] pan tilt mechanical info..
> Datum: 02.11.2005 12:06:24
> ----------------------------------------
> On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 09:19:17AM +0100, Pavel Krejci wrote:
> > See below response form sales and pricelist in attachment.
> > PK.
> 
> 2100$. I don't want to sound sarcastic, but you have material for 10.5
> Ronja links for this price ;-)
> 
> CL<
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Thanks for your inquiry. Please find attached general pricing information for
> our pan-tilt units. Your project looks interested. Indeed we have customers who
> are using our pan-tilt units for communications links. Please let me know if you
> have questions or would like a quotation. Sincerely, David.
> > 
> > David Gaw
> > VP Sales & Marketing
> > Directed Perception, Inc.
> > dgaw at dperception.com
> > (650) 342-9399 ext. 201
> > 
> > [This message is intended only for the addressee(s), and may contain
> information that is privileged and confidential. If the recipient of this
> message is not an addressee, please notify us immediately by telephone.]
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: krepa at seznam.cz [mailto:krepa at seznam.cz]
> > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:22 PM
> > To: dpactlead01 at dperception.com
> > Subject: WEBFORM - Info/Pricing
> > 
> > 
> > <Email> krepa at seznam.cz
> > <Company> Praha12.net
> > <Firstname> Pavel
> > <Lastname> Krejci
> > <Title>
> > <Telephone> 604214265
> > <Country> CZECH REPUBLIC
> > <Pantiltneed> reference
> > <Industry> other
> > <Application> other
> > <Project Type> custom
> > <Send Pricing> yes
> > <Contact Me> no
> > <More Info> no
> > <New Products> yes
> > <Comments> Optical link network. See ronja.twibright.com
> > 
> > I would like to know pricing for PTU-D46-70 and PTU-D300.
> > 
> > Thank you very much.
> > Regards,
> > Pavel Krejci
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ronja-bounces+krepa=seznam.cz at lists.pointless.net
> [mailto:ronja-bounces+krepa=seznam.cz at lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Sorin
> Popa
> > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 21:48
> > To: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > Subject: [Ronja] pan tilt mechanical info..
> > 
> > 
> > anyoane try with this kind of mechanical parts?
> http://www.dperception.com/pdf/PTU-D300_datasheet_new.pdf
> >  :)))))))
> > it would be great.. :)
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 
> 
> 


From sorin at bz.ines.ro  Fri Nov  4 14:31:14 2005
From: sorin at bz.ines.ro (Sorin Popa)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:31:14 +0200
Subject: [Ronja] pan&tilt cheap system!!!
Message-ID: <005901c5e14c$6b698a10$0d13320a@sorin>

Sal,
i saw that astronomical price for that pan&tilt PTU-D300.
In my country i found another or similar system for less money, arround 80$/unit  http://www.proart6d.ro/preturi/cctv_dec.pdf

D-2020 , it's ok.. and, if you look in your country you can find this system ;)..
In fact, i intend to use mechanical parts from an video camera system..
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From vikr at seznam.cz  Fri Nov  4 18:58:04 2005
From: vikr at seznam.cz (vikr@seznam.cz)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:58:04 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
Message-ID: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>

nazdarek, 
uz se nekomu stalo ze ronja pri rssi cca 1-2 V  prenasi pouze 2Mbps????????

Je mozne , ze za to muze 4portova  eth sitovka od D-link? (uz to visi na strese a nechce se mi to kuchat)


From kendy at hkfree.org  Fri Nov  4 20:39:17 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:39:17 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
In-Reply-To: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
References: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <436BC6F5.8060902@hkfree.org>

Problem s FullDuplexem ?

vikr at seznam.cz napsal(a):

> nazdarek, 
> uz se nekomu stalo ze ronja pri rssi cca 1-2 V  prenasi pouze 2Mbps????????
> 
> Je mozne , ze za to muze 4portova  eth sitovka od D-link? (uz to visi na strese a nechce se mi to kuchat)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 


From anmic at fmg.sk  Fri Nov  4 20:48:22 2005
From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 21:48:22 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
References: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <009b01c5e181$354b5f50$0101a8c0@anmic>

> nazdarek,
> uz se nekomu stalo ze ronja pri rssi cca 1-2 V  prenasi pouze
2Mbps????????
>

Zkontrolujte nastaveni duplexu. Zmerte, jestli dochazi k nejakemu
packetlossu pri prenosu jednim nebo obema smery zaroven.
Mne osobne bezi Ronja na plnych 10Mbps pri RSSI 0,9 V. Navic RSSI by nemelo
ovlivnovat bandwidth, ale packetloss.
Zkuste pouzit obyc. TP sitovku 10/100 Realtek 8139 - i kdyz je to low-end,
mam s ni dobre zkusenosti a podobne se tu na maillistu vyjadrilo vice lidi.
Aspon poznate, jestli je problem v sitovce nebo jestli musite hledat jinde..

Hodne zdaru preje
anMic

> Je mozne , ze za to muze 4portova  eth sitovka od D-link? (uz to visi na
strese a nechce se mi to kuchat)
>



From kendy at hkfree.org  Fri Nov  4 20:57:02 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:57:02 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
In-Reply-To: <009b01c5e181$354b5f50$0101a8c0@anmic>
References: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
	<009b01c5e181$354b5f50$0101a8c0@anmic>
Message-ID: <436BCB1E.9090800@hkfree.org>

Kdyz to tu je , tak ronja maka spolehlive i pri 120mV (0.12V) a to plnou 
rychlosti obema smery...



anMic napsal(a):

>>nazdarek,
>>uz se nekomu stalo ze ronja pri rssi cca 1-2 V  prenasi pouze
> 
> 2Mbps????????
> 
> 
> Zkontrolujte nastaveni duplexu. Zmerte, jestli dochazi k nejakemu
> packetlossu pri prenosu jednim nebo obema smery zaroven.
> Mne osobne bezi Ronja na plnych 10Mbps pri RSSI 0,9 V. Navic RSSI by nemelo
> ovlivnovat bandwidth, ale packetloss.
> Zkuste pouzit obyc. TP sitovku 10/100 Realtek 8139 - i kdyz je to low-end,
> mam s ni dobre zkusenosti a podobne se tu na maillistu vyjadrilo vice lidi.
> Aspon poznate, jestli je problem v sitovce nebo jestli musite hledat jinde..
> 
> Hodne zdaru preje
> anMic
> 
> 
>>Je mozne , ze za to muze 4portova  eth sitovka od D-link? (uz to visi na
> 
> strese a nechce se mi to kuchat)
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 


From archaopttrx at arcor.de  Sat Nov  5 06:06:33 2005
From: archaopttrx at arcor.de (Daniel Berger)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 07:06:33 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Bug in Ronja Hertz guide?
Message-ID: <436C4BE9.1020400@arcor.de>

Hello Clock,

it seems to me that 74HCT153 does not appear in the partlists for Ronja Hertz.
Moreover frequency of the TTL oscillator is not mentioned in the partlists -
it is just called OSC.

Regards, Daniel.

-- 


From clock at twibright.com  Sat Nov  5 08:35:52 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:35:52 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Bit Error Rate Calculator
Message-ID: <20051105083552.GA10795@kestrel>

http://ronja.twibright.com/development/calc/ber.php

You can calculate bit error rate if you have only ordinary ping. This
way you can compare results of measurements with different payloads and
make absolutely valid number from them.

CL<


From anmic at fmg.sk  Sat Nov  5 08:47:14 2005
From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:47:14 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
References: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz><009b01c5e181$354b5f50$0101a8c0@anmic>
	<436BCB1E.9090800@hkfree.org>
Message-ID: <000801c5e1e5$b5896d10$0101a8c0@anmic>

> Kdyz to tu je , tak ronja maka spolehlive i pri 120mV (0.12V) a to plnou
> rychlosti obema smery...
>

Nevim, co k tomu reknete, ale kdyz jsem byl behem mlhy na strese a meril
signal, pri rssi okolo 9 mV (0.009 V) mi ronja jeste stale fungovala na max.
Na jedne strane je jeste aui_forte, tak to je mozna o neco citlivejsi.

anMic



From clock at twibright.com  Sat Nov  5 08:55:45 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:55:45 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
In-Reply-To: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
References: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <20051105085545.GA11008@kestrel>

On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 07:58:04PM +0100, vikr at seznam.cz wrote:
> nazdarek, 
> uz se nekomu stalo ze ronja pri rssi cca 1-2 V  prenasi pouze 2Mbps????????

Should run fine. Ronja never goes 2Mbps - always goes 10Mbps. It's only
the packetloss that can happen.

Check full duplex setting and measure bidirectional BER according
to
http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/ber_tetrapolis_ronjaping.php

If the BER is OK then Ronja is 100% OK and look for problem in switches,
network cards, operating systems or duplex setting.

CL<
> Je mozne , ze za to muze 4portova  eth sitovka od D-link? (uz to visi
> na strese a nechce se mi to kuchat)

> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From clock at twibright.com  Sat Nov  5 09:19:47 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:19:47 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Bug in Ronja Hertz guide?
In-Reply-To: <436C4BE9.1020400@arcor.de>
References: <436C4BE9.1020400@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <20051105091947.GA11254@kestrel>

On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 07:06:33AM +0100, Daniel Berger wrote:
> Hello Clock,
> 
> it seems to me that 74HCT153 does not appear in the partlists for Ronja Hertz.
> Moreover frequency of the TTL oscillator is not mentioned in the partlists -
> it is just called OSC.

Thanks, fixed.

CL<
> 
> Regards, Daniel.
> 
> -- 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From m.malusek at seznam.cz  Sat Nov  5 10:22:21 2005
From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (Michal =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mal=F9=9Aek?=)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:22:21 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
In-Reply-To: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
References: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4141.212.90.224.174.1131186141.squirrel@212.90.224.174>

cau, dlink 4 port je celkem divna karta tak poyor na ni. pouyivame ji ale
funguje nam praktickz dobre jen v jedne veryi cyfree debu. na jinem jadre
a driveru lossuje na 10Mb nastaveni pri FD i HD !!! takye ta mala rzchlost
je moyna prave kvuli tomu. s lossem nejsem sam, kaydej stim ma podobne
skusenosti. realtek to resi. ten je ok.?
glo

<quote who="vikr at seznam.cz">
> nazdarek,
> uz se nekomu stalo ze ronja pri rssi cca 1-2 V  prenasi pouze
> 2Mbps????????
>
> Je mozne , ze za to muze 4portova  eth sitovka od D-link? (uz to visi na
> strese a nechce se mi to kuchat)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>
>





From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Sat Nov  5 10:26:25 2005
From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:26:25 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
In-Reply-To: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
References: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <20051105102625.GA3382@localhost.localdomain>

English summary is below.

On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 07:58:04PM +0100, vikr at seznam.cz wrote:
> nazdarek, 
> uz se nekomu stalo ze ronja pri rssi cca 1-2 V  prenasi pouze 2Mbps????????
> 
> Je mozne , ze za to muze 4portova  eth sitovka od D-link?

Vcera jsem installoval tuto sitovou kartu do routeru a narazil jsem na podobny
problem.  Propustnost velice nizka ... (okolo 1Mbps). Zjistil jsem, ze karta
nejspise ignoruje nastaveni pomoci mii-tool - prestoze ji nastavim na
full-duplex a mii-tool to zpetne vypisuje, tak se karta chova halfduplexne.

Pokud jsem nastavil druhou stranu na half-duplex, tak obtize zmizely a jelo to
jako bezny halfduplexni spoj na 10Mbps.

Vypada to na problem v kernelim driveru pro tuto kartu. Problemy jsem mel v
Linux kernelu 2.4.31 . Podle komentaru v driveru to vypada, ze v 2.6.14 je
vicemene stejna verze driveru (akorat upravena pro 2.6)

Zde se da stahnut nejaka novejsi verze driveru
(kdovi, proc neni soucasti kernelu, kdyz to je od stejneho vyvojare):
ftp://ftp.scyld.com/pub/network/sundance.c

Ale v 2.4.31 se mi to nepovedlo zkompilovat.


ENGLISH SUMMARY:

D-Link DFE530-TX NIC (with standard Linux kernel drivers) is probably ignoring
setting 10baseT-FD using mii-tool. There is one (suboptimal) solution - set
other side to 10base-HD. Or maybe use of newer version of driver (
ftp://ftp.scyld.com/pub/network/sundance.c ) can help (I tried compile it
under 2.4.31 and it failed) ?

-- 
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo

Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at mail.cz, jabber: santiago at njs.netlab.cz)
OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net)
"To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."


From clock at twibright.com  Sat Nov  5 11:56:49 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:56:49 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
In-Reply-To: <4141.212.90.224.174.1131186141.squirrel@212.90.224.174>
References: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
	<4141.212.90.224.174.1131186141.squirrel@212.90.224.174>
Message-ID: <20051105115649.GA13878@kestrel>

On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 11:22:21AM +0100, Michal Mal??ek wrote:
> cau, dlink 4 port je celkem divna karta tak poyor na ni. pouyivame ji ale
> funguje nam praktickz dobre jen v jedne veryi cyfree debu. na jinem jadre
> a driveru lossuje na 10Mb nastaveni pri FD i HD !!! takye ta mala rzchlost
> je moyna prave kvuli tomu. s lossem nejsem sam, kaydej stim ma podobne
> skusenosti. realtek to resi. ten je ok.?

But this is a problem of the driver, isn't it?

Like NetBSD had problem with 3c590, 3c900 or 3c905 (the AUI one from
them I don't know which) so when Ronja lost signal, the driver hanged
up.

CL<
> glo
> 
> <quote who="vikr at seznam.cz">
> > nazdarek,
> > uz se nekomu stalo ze ronja pri rssi cca 1-2 V  prenasi pouze
> > 2Mbps????????
> >
> > Je mozne , ze za to muze 4portova  eth sitovka od D-link? (uz to visi na
> > strese a nechce se mi to kuchat)
> >
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From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Sat Nov  5 17:53:15 2005
From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:53:15 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
In-Reply-To: <20051105102625.GA3382@localhost.localdomain>
References: <3266.4787-6740-262333607-1131130684@seznam.cz>
	<20051105102625.GA3382@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051105175315.GA6820@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 11:26:25AM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote:
> D-Link DFE530-TX NIC (with standard Linux kernel drivers) is probably ignoring

Correction: D-Link DFE-550 NIC, not DFE530-TX

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From krepa at seznam.cz  Sat Nov  5 18:22:46 2005
From: krepa at seznam.cz (Pavel Krejci)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:22:46 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Bit Error Rate Calculator
In-Reply-To: <20051105083552.GA10795@kestrel>
References: <20051105083552.GA10795@kestrel>
Message-ID: <436CF876.9000005@seznam.cz>

Hi clock,
the link below works fine for you only :o)

please fix this in your source
<form action="http://localhost/development/calc/ber.php" method="get">

Please can you mention the equation? Just matter of curiosity.
Thx.
krepa

Karel Kulhavy wrote:
> http://ronja.twibright.com/development/calc/ber.php
> 
> You can calculate bit error rate if you have only ordinary ping. This
> way you can compare results of measurements with different payloads and
> make absolutely valid number from them.
> 
> CL<
> 
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From cd930 at centrum.cz  Sat Nov  5 23:51:59 2005
From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:51:59 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
Message-ID: <200511060051.10737@centrum.cz>

Ja to vyresil jinak a elegantne.
Vypajel jsem EEPROM a v hexeditoru ji vyeditoval do 10/FD a ulozil zpet.
Karta automaticky nabehne ve vsech OS do 10/FD.
-=RYS=-

______________________________________________________________
> Od: Mal
> Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> CC: 
> Datum: 05.11.2005 11:23
> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
>
> cau, dlink 4 port je celkem divna karta tak poyor na ni. pouyivame ji ale
> funguje nam praktickz dobre jen v jedne veryi cyfree debu. na jinem jadre
> a driveru lossuje na 10Mb nastaveni pri FD i HD !!! takye ta mala rzchlost
> je moyna prave kvuli tomu. s lossem nejsem sam, kaydej stim ma podobne
> skusenosti. realtek to resi. ten je ok.?
> glo
> 
> 
> > nazdarek,
> > uz se nekomu stalo ze ronja pri rssi cca 1-2 V prenasi pouze
> > 2Mbps????????
> >
> > Je mozne , ze za to muze 4portova eth sitovka od D-link? (uz to visi na
> > strese a nechce se mi to kuchat)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Sun Nov  6 00:30:41 2005
From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:30:41 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] problem s rychlosti
In-Reply-To: <200511060051.10737@centrum.cz>
References: <200511060051.10737@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <20051106003041.GA7974@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 12:51:59AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote:
>    Ja to vyresil jinak a elegantne.
> 
>    Vypajel jsem EEPROM a v hexeditoru ji vyeditoval do 10/FD a ulozil zpet.
> 
>    Karta automaticky nabehne ve vsech OS do 10/FD.

Pekne!

Kazdopadne v Linuxu existuje k teto karte specificky program alta-diag,
ktery umoznuje mimo jine zapis do EEPROM.

Mohl by ses s nami podelit o informace, ktere byty v EEPROM
je treba upravit na co a z kterych zdroju se tyto informace
daji zjistit?

-- 
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From ladmanj at volny.cz  Sun Nov  6 03:07:41 2005
From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 04:07:41 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] spider was: Re:  problem s rychlosti
In-Reply-To: <200511060051.10737@centrum.cz>
References: <200511060051.10737@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <200511060407.41665.ladmanj@volny.cz>

Nejelegantneji to resi SPIDER :-) (a ostatni zarizeni s autonegociaci)
Ted ale neni cas vubec na nic natoz na spidera.
BTW: uz jste nekdo podrobil data co jsem zverejnil nejake analyze?
Nekdo ho uz zkousi postavit?
Nekdo prisel s upravou verilog kodu?
Pochlubte se, jsem zvedavy.
K planovanemu ostremu nasazeni spidera asi dojde az na jare,protoze ted neni 
cas a pak uz bude moc zima na saskovani na strese, ale radsi bych to stihnul 
jeste letos.

Jakub

On Sunday 06 of November 2005 00:51, -=RYS=- wrote:
> Ja to vyresil jinak a elegantne.
> Vypajel jsem EEPROM a v hexeditoru ji vyeditoval do 10/FD a ulozil zpet.
> Karta automaticky nabehne ve vsech OS do 10/FD.
> -=RYS=-


From P.Salek at seznam.cz  Sun Nov  6 11:25:51 2005
From: P.Salek at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Petr=20Salek?=)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 12:25:51 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
Message-ID: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>

Zdravim,
nemate nekdo nejakej watchdog na linky s ronjou aby je to pri packetlossu pres ospf vyplo?
Vim ze to tu uz jednou probehlo, ale nemuzu to najit.
Zatim jsem nad tim letmo koumal a asi by to slo pres zmenu metriky/vypnuti linky, ale proc znovu vynalezat kolo..
PS


From srnkap at extranetplus.cz  Sun Nov  6 12:26:28 2005
From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:26:28 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <000601c5e2cd$50097fa0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>

taky by me to zajimalo, btw byl by nekdo te ochoty a poslal mi link na 
nejake reseni zalohy na wifi ? nejlepe aby v pripade ze ronja jede byly ap 
vypnuty a neprasily pasmo, hledal jsem na netu ale nic kulantniho jsem 
nevidel.

dik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Petr Salek" <P.Salek at seznam.cz>
To: <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf


> Zdravim,
> nemate nekdo nejakej watchdog na linky s ronjou aby je to pri packetlossu 
> pres ospf vyplo?
> Vim ze to tu uz jednou probehlo, ale nemuzu to najit.
> Zatim jsem nad tim letmo koumal a asi by to slo pres zmenu metriky/vypnuti 
> linky, ale proc znovu vynalezat kolo..
> PS
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja 



From sorin at bz.ines.ro  Sun Nov  6 13:39:51 2005
From: sorin at bz.ines.ro (Sorin Popa)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:39:51 +0200
Subject: [Ronja] 100mbit some russian ideas
Message-ID: <004c01c5e2d7$901cf4f0$0d13320a@sorin>

I found some interesting ideas in russian forums for 100mbit FSo project. If someone can help with some translations, should be fine..;)
http://www.lazerlink.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Avtor;action=display;num=1080353444;start=175
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From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz  Sun Nov  6 13:42:05 2005
From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:42:05 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>
	<000601c5e2cd$50097fa0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
Message-ID: <001001c5e2d7$e07c0f80$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>

Hmm, to je podle mne kraviny, vyp?nat wifinu.
Az budes potrebovat tu wifinu, tak ti po zapnut? nepojede, ponevadz bude
p?smo uz d?vno zaprasen?.
Jinak toto t?ma tu bezelo cca. mes?c-dva zp?tky, tak hledejte.

Cipis


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pavel Srnka" <srnkap at extranetplus.cz>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf


> taky by me to zajimalo, btw byl by nekdo te ochoty a poslal mi link na
> nejake reseni zalohy na wifi ? nejlepe aby v pripade ze ronja jede byly ap
> vypnuty a neprasily pasmo, hledal jsem na netu ale nic kulantniho jsem
> nevidel.
>
> dik
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Petr Salek" <P.Salek at seznam.cz>
> To: <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:25 PM
> Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
>
>
> > Zdravim,
> > nemate nekdo nejakej watchdog na linky s ronjou aby je to pri
packetlossu
> > pres ospf vyplo?
> > Vim ze to tu uz jednou probehlo, ale nemuzu to najit.
> > Zatim jsem nad tim letmo koumal a asi by to slo pres zmenu
metriky/vypnuti
> > linky, ale proc znovu vynalezat kolo..
> > PS
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja



From sorin at bz.ines.ro  Sun Nov  6 13:44:29 2005
From: sorin at bz.ines.ro (Sorin Popa)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:44:29 +0200
Subject: [Ronja] info lasers,photodiodes
Message-ID: <000801c5e2d8$36289610$0d13320a@sorin>

http://users.bestweb.net/~hobbs/frontends/frontends.pdf

http://www.lazerlink.ru/1/sergey/App.pdf
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From pavkriz at gybon.cz  Sun Nov  6 16:57:22 2005
From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:57:22 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
In-Reply-To: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <436E35F2.3060401@gybon.cz>

Ahoj,
ja na tom "pracuji" nicmene hotovo nic moc neni ;-) spis jsem tu debatu 
rozproudil, nameril nejaka data abych videl prubehy PL jak to tak bezne 
"chodiva". Chtel jsem to udelat "dost" rychle reagujici coz by ovsem 
znamenalo nepoustet ping jako extreni binarku - ale jak to realne vidim, 
jestli neco sesmolim, tak tak to bude holt pomaly a bude to v bashi, 
zatim. Ale jestli ma nekdo vice casu nez ja, necht se do toho klidne 
pusti, ja fakt nemuzu slibit kdy se k tomu dostanu.

Pavel
hkfree.org

Petr Salek wrote:
> Zdravim,
> nemate nekdo nejakej watchdog na linky s ronjou aby je to pri packetlossu pres ospf vyplo?
> Vim ze to tu uz jednou probehlo, ale nemuzu to najit.
> Zatim jsem nad tim letmo koumal a asi by to slo pres zmenu metriky/vypnuti linky, ale proc znovu vynalezat kolo..
> PS
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 


From srnkap at extranetplus.cz  Sun Nov  6 18:08:26 2005
From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 19:08:26 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>
	<436E35F2.3060401@gybon.cz>
Message-ID: <000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>

no 1) wifinu mitpustenou nechci z duvodu praseni pasma, v pripade 
nastartovani na zarusenym kanalu to pojede treba mbit (ale od toho to je 
zaloha ze to muze ybt pomalejsi)
2) s nahozenim zalohy by mozna softwarove problem nebyl , naopak ale by to 
bylo horsi
3) kdyz uz by muslea byt pusteny wifina tak se tam rovnou muzou hodit 
switche s port trunkingem nebo STP a nemusi se clovek o nic starat.

Kdyz uz sem pisu, chtel bych se zeptat jeste na jednu vec, nevi nekdo k cemu 
je dobry odpor R7 (6,8R) v ronja nebulus?
Mam navrzeny plosnaky, po osazeni dvou modulu na jedne strane HSDL sviti, na 
druhe strane se ale jenom zacoudi a to prave z R7. Uz jsme to kontroloval 
milionkrat a nemuzu za nic najit co je spatne v jednom oproti 
druhemu.Nehlede na to ze treba odpory premeruju uz pri osazovani.Za radu 
bych byl moc vdecnej.P.S.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pavel Kriz" <pavkriz at gybon.cz>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf


> Ahoj,
> ja na tom "pracuji" nicmene hotovo nic moc neni ;-) spis jsem tu debatu
> rozproudil, nameril nejaka data abych videl prubehy PL jak to tak bezne
> "chodiva". Chtel jsem to udelat "dost" rychle reagujici coz by ovsem
> znamenalo nepoustet ping jako extreni binarku - ale jak to realne vidim,
> jestli neco sesmolim, tak tak to bude holt pomaly a bude to v bashi,
> zatim. Ale jestli ma nekdo vice casu nez ja, necht se do toho klidne
> pusti, ja fakt nemuzu slibit kdy se k tomu dostanu.
>
> Pavel
> hkfree.org
>
> Petr Salek wrote:
>> Zdravim,
>> nemate nekdo nejakej watchdog na linky s ronjou aby je to pri packetlossu 
>> pres ospf vyplo?
>> Vim ze to tu uz jednou probehlo, ale nemuzu to najit.
>> Zatim jsem nad tim letmo koumal a asi by to slo pres zmenu 
>> metriky/vypnuti linky, ale proc znovu vynalezat kolo..
>> PS
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ronja mailing list
>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja 



From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Sun Nov  6 18:26:24 2005
From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 19:26:24 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
In-Reply-To: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <20051106182624.GA6017@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 12:25:51PM +0100, Petr Salek wrote:
> Zdravim,
> nemate nekdo nejakej watchdog na linky s ronjou aby je to pri packetlossu pres ospf vyplo?

http://wiki.twibright.com/index.php/RonjaLinkWatchdog

-- 
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo

Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at mail.cz, jabber: santiago at njs.netlab.cz)
OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net)
"To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."


From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz  Sun Nov  6 19:40:28 2005
From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 19:40:28 -0000
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
In-Reply-To: <000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>
	<436E35F2.3060401@gybon.cz>
	<000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
Message-ID: <opszt3lqiin6qjls@daman>

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 19:08:26 +0100, Pavel Srnka <srnkap at extranetplus.cz>  
wrote:

> Kdyz uz sem pisu, chtel bych se zeptat jeste na jednu vec, nevi nekdo k  
> cemu
> je dobry odpor R7 (6,8R) v ronja nebulus?
> Mam navrzeny plosnaky, po osazeni dvou modulu na jedne strane HSDL  
> sviti, na
> druhe strane se ale jenom zacoudi a to prave z R7. Uz jsme to kontroloval
> milionkrat a nemuzu za nic najit co je spatne v jednom oproti
> druhemu.Nehlede na to ze treba odpory premeruju uz pri osazovani.Za radu
> bych byl moc vdecnej.P.S.
No tak to ti reknu uplne presne cim to je. Ten tranzistor BD139 ma  
chladici plosku spojenou s kolektorem a kdyz ho chladis uzemnenou kostrou  
krabicky tak to jde s R7 do zkratu a shori.


From srnkap at extranetplus.cz  Sun Nov  6 18:49:28 2005
From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 19:49:28 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz><436E35F2.3060401@gybon.cz><000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
	<opszt3lqiin6qjls@daman>
Message-ID: <000c01c5e302$d12a7eb0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>

dik za reakci, bohuzel/bohudik ale bd139 nemam chlazeny vubec :)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Strnad" <daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf


> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 19:08:26 +0100, Pavel Srnka <srnkap at extranetplus.cz>
> wrote:
>
>> Kdyz uz sem pisu, chtel bych se zeptat jeste na jednu vec, nevi nekdo k
>> cemu
>> je dobry odpor R7 (6,8R) v ronja nebulus?
>> Mam navrzeny plosnaky, po osazeni dvou modulu na jedne strane HSDL
>> sviti, na
>> druhe strane se ale jenom zacoudi a to prave z R7. Uz jsme to kontroloval
>> milionkrat a nemuzu za nic najit co je spatne v jednom oproti
>> druhemu.Nehlede na to ze treba odpory premeruju uz pri osazovani.Za radu
>> bych byl moc vdecnej.P.S.
> No tak to ti reknu uplne presne cim to je. Ten tranzistor BD139 ma
> chladici plosku spojenou s kolektorem a kdyz ho chladis uzemnenou kostrou
> krabicky tak to jde s R7 do zkratu a shori.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja 



From schum at seznam.cz  Sun Nov  6 20:15:51 2005
From: schum at seznam.cz (Mirek Schumann)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:15:51 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
In-Reply-To: <000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>	<436E35F2.3060401@gybon.cz>
	<000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
Message-ID: <436E6477.8080204@seznam.cz>

Pavel Srnka napsal(a):

> 
>
>Kdyz uz sem pisu, chtel bych se zeptat jeste na jednu vec, nevi nekdo k cemu 
>je dobry odpor R7 (6,8R) v ronja nebulus?
>Mam navrzeny plosnaky, po osazeni dvou modulu na jedne strane HSDL sviti, na 
>druhe strane se ale jenom zacoudi a to prave z R7. Uz jsme to kontroloval 
>milionkrat a nemuzu za nic najit co je spatne v jednom oproti 
>druhemu.Nehlede na to ze treba odpory premeruju uz pri osazovani.Za radu 
>bych byl moc vdecnej.P.S.
>
>
>  
>
 No rekl bych ze mas zkrat nekde za nim, kdyz se z neho huli, pokud mas 
tranzistor  BD 139 prisroubovanej ke krabicce tak bych to hledal nejspis 
tam,

Mirek



From schum at seznam.cz  Sun Nov  6 20:20:34 2005
From: schum at seznam.cz (Mirek Schumann)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:20:34 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
In-Reply-To: <436E6477.8080204@seznam.cz>
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>	<436E35F2.3060401@gybon.cz>	<000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
	<436E6477.8080204@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <436E6592.4050701@seznam.cz>

Mirek Schumann napsal(a):

>Pavel Srnka napsal(a):
>
>  
>
>>Kdyz uz sem pisu, chtel bych se zeptat jeste na jednu vec, nevi nekdo k cemu 
>>je dobry odpor R7 (6,8R) v ronja nebulus?
>>Mam navrzeny plosnaky, po osazeni dvou modulu na jedne strane HSDL sviti, na 
>>druhe strane se ale jenom zacoudi a to prave z R7. Uz jsme to kontroloval 
>>milionkrat a nemuzu za nic najit co je spatne v jednom oproti 
>>druhemu.Nehlede na to ze treba odpory premeruju uz pri osazovani.Za radu 
>>bych byl moc vdecnej.P.S.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
> No rekl bych ze mas zkrat nekde za nim, kdyz se z neho huli, pokud mas 
>tranzistor  BD 139 prisroubovanej ke krabicce tak bych to hledal nejspis 
>tam,
>
>Mirek
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Ronja mailing list
>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>
>  
>
je promin, to uz jsem treti kdo ti radi stejnou vec, nak mi unikly 
predchoi prispevky, kdyz to nenajdes muzem na to mrknout

Mirek



From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Sun Nov  6 23:04:57 2005
From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:04:57 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
In-Reply-To: <000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>
	<436E35F2.3060401@gybon.cz>
	<000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
Message-ID: <20051106230457.GB2468@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 07:08:26PM +0100, Pavel Srnka wrote:
> no 1) wifinu mitpustenou nechci z duvodu praseni pasma, v pripade 
> nastartovani na zarusenym kanalu to pojede treba mbit (ale od toho to je 
> zaloha ze to muze ybt pomalejsi)
> 2) s nahozenim zalohy by mozna softwarove problem nebyl , naopak ale by to 
> bylo horsi
> 3) kdyz uz by muslea byt pusteny wifina tak se tam rovnou muzou hodit 
> switche s port trunkingem nebo STP a nemusi se clovek o nic starat.
> 
> Kdyz uz sem pisu, chtel bych se zeptat jeste na jednu vec, nevi nekdo k cemu 
> je dobry odpor R7 (6,8R) v ronja nebulus?
> Mam navrzeny plosnaky, po osazeni dvou modulu na jedne strane HSDL sviti, na 
> druhe strane se ale jenom zacoudi a to prave z R7. Uz jsme to kontroloval 

To same se stalo kamaradovi s beznym TXkem a problem mel ve zkratu jedne
nozicky stabilizatoru proti zemi.

-- 
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo

Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at mail.cz, jabber: santiago at njs.netlab.cz)
OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net)
"To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."


From srnkap at extranetplus.cz  Sun Nov  6 23:37:14 2005
From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:37:14 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz><436E35F2.3060401@gybon.cz><000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
	<20051106230457.GB2468@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000801c5e32b$047766c0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>

Ja tedy nevim ale tohle co pisete jsou celkem hodne viditelny veci. Ja jsem 
se snazil to kompletovat co mozna nejpecliveji.
Postavil jsem neuspesne uz asi 4 pary rxtx (at uz vrabcakem nebo nove na 
pcb) a uz me to doclea stve, vsechno nekolikrat kontroluju , premeruju 
soucastky a nakonec to stejne nechodi, kolikrat uz uvazuju ze tam musi bejt 
nekd enejakej figl  kterej neni popsanej. Ted treba kdyz jsem se pokousel 
rozjet novy moduly mi to nechodilo, jenom tx ledka na twisteru blikala kdyz 
jsem na obou kompech pustil ping. Zajimavy ze kdyz jsem dal pak na jedny 
strane rxtx proti sobe, ledky na twisteru rx i tx blikaly soucasne, z toho 
usuzuju, ze skrz to signal prochazi, proc ale data nelezou mi nejde do 
hlavy.
Jak mam udelany pcb a jak delam vrabcaka je videt tady :

http://ronja.pavel.extranetplus.cz/



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ondrej Zajicek" <zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf


> On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 07:08:26PM +0100, Pavel Srnka wrote:
>> no 1) wifinu mitpustenou nechci z duvodu praseni pasma, v pripade
>> nastartovani na zarusenym kanalu to pojede treba mbit (ale od toho to je
>> zaloha ze to muze ybt pomalejsi)
>> 2) s nahozenim zalohy by mozna softwarove problem nebyl , naopak ale by 
>> to
>> bylo horsi
>> 3) kdyz uz by muslea byt pusteny wifina tak se tam rovnou muzou hodit
>> switche s port trunkingem nebo STP a nemusi se clovek o nic starat.
>>
>> Kdyz uz sem pisu, chtel bych se zeptat jeste na jednu vec, nevi nekdo k 
>> cemu
>> je dobry odpor R7 (6,8R) v ronja nebulus?
>> Mam navrzeny plosnaky, po osazeni dvou modulu na jedne strane HSDL sviti, 
>> na
>> druhe strane se ale jenom zacoudi a to prave z R7. Uz jsme to kontroloval
>
> To same se stalo kamaradovi s beznym TXkem a problem mel ve zkratu jedne
> nozicky stabilizatoru proti zemi.
>
> -- 
> Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
>
> Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at mail.cz, jabber: 
> santiago at njs.netlab.cz)
> OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net)
> "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja 



From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz  Sun Nov  6 23:52:53 2005
From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:52:53 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz><436E35F2.3060401@gybon.cz>
	<000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
Message-ID: <001a01c5e32d$33ef9560$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>

megabit, jo? bych rekl, ze ti zarusen? wifina nepojede skoro vubec
a jestli z n? vym?cknes minim?lne 32 KB/sec, tak budes r?d
jen to hezky nech zapl? a nejl?pe pouz?vej oboje zar?z

Cipis


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pavel Srnka" <srnkap at extranetplus.cz>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf


> no 1) wifinu mitpustenou nechci z duvodu praseni pasma, v pripade
> nastartovani na zarusenym kanalu to pojede treba mbit (ale od toho to je
> zaloha ze to muze ybt pomalejsi)



From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Mon Nov  7 00:25:03 2005
From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:25:03 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
In-Reply-To: <000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>
	<436E35F2.3060401@gybon.cz>
	<000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
Message-ID: <20051107002503.GB3660@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 07:08:26PM +0100, Pavel Srnka wrote:
> no 1) wifinu mitpustenou nechci z duvodu praseni pasma, v pripade 
> nastartovani na zarusenym kanalu to pojede treba mbit (ale od toho to je 
> zaloha ze to muze ybt pomalejsi)

Wifina vicemene vysila jen, kdyz pres ni jdou data - pokud budes mit wifinu
nahozenou a nebudes ji pouzivat, tak tim pasmo rusit nebudes (akorat beacony,
ale to je zanedbatelne). Naopak je vhodne tu zalohu monitorovat (treba pingy),
abys zjistil jeji mozny vypadek (uhnily kabel, upadla antena, ... ) drive, nez
az se pouzije kvuli vypadku Ronji.

-- 
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo

Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at mail.cz, jabber: santiago at njs.netlab.cz)
OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net)
"To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."


From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Mon Nov  7 00:28:42 2005
From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:28:42 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
In-Reply-To: <001a01c5e32d$33ef9560$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
References: <000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
	<001a01c5e32d$33ef9560$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
Message-ID: <20051107002842.GC3660@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 12:52:53AM +0100, Cipis wrote:
> megabit, jo? bych rekl, ze ti zarusen? wifina nepojede skoro vubec
> a jestli z n? vym?cknes minim?lne 32 KB/sec, tak budes r?d
> jen to hezky nech zapl? a nejl?pe pouz?vej oboje zar?z

Oboje naraz bych pouzivat nedoporucoval, mel bys nepekny jitter v latenci
a za ty cca 2 mbit navic to nestoji.

-- 
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo

Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at mail.cz, jabber: santiago at njs.netlab.cz)
OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net)
"To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."


From djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz  Mon Nov  7 00:47:29 2005
From: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz (dj-bobr)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 01:47:29 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
In-Reply-To: <20051107002842.GC3660@localhost.localdomain>
References: <000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>	<001a01c5e32d$33ef9560$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
	<20051107002842.GC3660@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <436EA421.50503@seznam.cz>

Leda ty 2 Mbity navic pouzivat vyhradne k neinteraktivnimu provozu 
(napr. ftp, scp, ...)
Komu u FTP vadi jitter radu desitek milisekund?

> On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 12:52:53AM +0100, Cipis wrote:
> 
>>megabit, jo? bych rekl, ze ti zarusen? wifina nepojede skoro vubec
>>a jestli z n? vym?cknes minim?lne 32 KB/sec, tak budes r?d
>>jen to hezky nech zapl? a nejl?pe pouz?vej oboje zar?z
> 
> 
> Oboje naraz bych pouzivat nedoporucoval, mel bys nepekny jitter v latenci
> a za ty cca 2 mbit navic to nestoji.
> 


From clock at twibright.com  Mon Nov  7 08:46:57 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:46:57 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Bit Error Rate Calculator
In-Reply-To: <436CF876.9000005@seznam.cz>
References: <20051105083552.GA10795@kestrel> <436CF876.9000005@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <20051107084657.GB25480@kestrel>

On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 07:22:46PM +0100, Pavel Krejci wrote:
> Hi clock,
> the link below works fine for you only :o)
> 
> please fix this in your source
> <form action="http://localhost/development/calc/ber.php" method="get">

Thanks, fixed.

> 
> Please can you mention the equation? Just matter of curiosity.

The equation is written directly in the source.

CL<
> Thx.
> krepa
> 
> Karel Kulhavy wrote:
> > http://ronja.twibright.com/development/calc/ber.php
> > 
> > You can calculate bit error rate if you have only ordinary ping. This
> > way you can compare results of measurements with different payloads and
> > make absolutely valid number from them.
> > 
> > CL<
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From clock at twibright.com  Mon Nov  7 10:36:19 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:36:19 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Forward annotation too complicated
Message-ID: <20051107103618.GA28192@kestrel>

1) One changes part in gschem
2) He has to save the schematic
3) Run gsch2pcb
4) Load netlist again into PCB
5) Load newly added/changed parts into paste buffer
6) Paste the paste buffer
7) Find which parts were changed and put them to their place

This is too complicated. Why can't it be that
1) One changes part in gschem
2) Presses forward annotate button, which saves the schematic, runs
gsch2pcb, loads netlist into the PCB file and replaces changed
components in the place they are / puts newly added components to upper
left corner

Does anyone have experience with Eagle or Orcad? Is forward annotation
there as complicated as in gEDA?

On the other hand, I once tried to save Eagle board into Gerber and gave
up. In PCB it's dead simple - Print, Gerber, OK.  In Eagle some very
complicated and sophisticated dialogue came to me with million of
buttons, text entry lines and cryptic labels and I couldn't make sense
of it even after I tried to run in couple of times - it never did
anything useful.

The gerber outpus have confusing names in Eagle.  As opposed to PCB
where they are self-descriptive. The first thing that comes to my mind
when I see .gbr ending is Gerber.

What I also don't like on Eagle is how it fills polygons - it makes lots
of lines and the filling is still not perfect. Which just unnecessarily
increases the file size and obfuscates the file internal structure. PCB
produces crisps, geometrically perfect output as compared to Eagle's
approximation.

PCB is an example how Gerber was meant to be used. Eagle is an example
how to cripple it.

CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Mon Nov  7 11:59:46 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:59:46 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
In-Reply-To: <000801c5e32b$047766c0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
References: <20051106230457.GB2468@localhost.localdomain>
	<000801c5e32b$047766c0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
Message-ID: <20051107115944.GA32028@kestrel>

On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 12:37:14AM +0100, Pavel Srnka wrote:
> Ja tedy nevim ale tohle co pisete jsou celkem hodne viditelny veci. Ja jsem 
> se snazil to kompletovat co mozna nejpecliveji.

"install BC139 with insulating pad"
http://ronja.twibright.com/nebulus/building.php

There is no insulating pad on your photo -> bug.

Regarding the PCB's: Ronja doesn't have any Nebulus PCB so they aren't
according to the guide. Sorry it's not feasible to support something
that is not according to Ronja guide.

CL<

> Postavil jsem neuspesne uz asi 4 pary rxtx (at uz vrabcakem nebo nove na 
> pcb) a uz me to doclea stve, vsechno nekolikrat kontroluju , premeruju 
> soucastky a nakonec to stejne nechodi, kolikrat uz uvazuju ze tam musi bejt 
> nekd enejakej figl  kterej neni popsanej. Ted treba kdyz jsem se pokousel 
> rozjet novy moduly mi to nechodilo, jenom tx ledka na twisteru blikala kdyz 
> jsem na obou kompech pustil ping. Zajimavy ze kdyz jsem dal pak na jedny 
> strane rxtx proti sobe, ledky na twisteru rx i tx blikaly soucasne, z toho 
> usuzuju, ze skrz to signal prochazi, proc ale data nelezou mi nejde do 
> hlavy.
> Jak mam udelany pcb a jak delam vrabcaka je videt tady :
> 
> http://ronja.pavel.extranetplus.cz/
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ondrej Zajicek" <zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
> To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
> 
> 
> > On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 07:08:26PM +0100, Pavel Srnka wrote:
> >> no 1) wifinu mitpustenou nechci z duvodu praseni pasma, v pripade
> >> nastartovani na zarusenym kanalu to pojede treba mbit (ale od toho to je
> >> zaloha ze to muze ybt pomalejsi)
> >> 2) s nahozenim zalohy by mozna softwarove problem nebyl , naopak ale by 
> >> to
> >> bylo horsi
> >> 3) kdyz uz by muslea byt pusteny wifina tak se tam rovnou muzou hodit
> >> switche s port trunkingem nebo STP a nemusi se clovek o nic starat.
> >>
> >> Kdyz uz sem pisu, chtel bych se zeptat jeste na jednu vec, nevi nekdo k 
> >> cemu
> >> je dobry odpor R7 (6,8R) v ronja nebulus?
> >> Mam navrzeny plosnaky, po osazeni dvou modulu na jedne strane HSDL sviti, 
> >> na
> >> druhe strane se ale jenom zacoudi a to prave z R7. Uz jsme to kontroloval
> >
> > To same se stalo kamaradovi s beznym TXkem a problem mel ve zkratu jedne
> > nozicky stabilizatoru proti zemi.
> >
> > -- 
> > Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
> >
> > Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at mail.cz, jabber: 
> > santiago at njs.netlab.cz)
> > OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net)
> > "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From clock at twibright.com  Mon Nov  7 12:02:42 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:02:42 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog linky + ospf
In-Reply-To: <opszt3lqiin6qjls@daman>
References: <968.2665-26862-1825292700-1131276351@seznam.cz>
	<436E35F2.3060401@gybon.cz>
	<000601c5e2fd$15bf0290$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0>
	<opszt3lqiin6qjls@daman>
Message-ID: <20051107120239.GB32028@kestrel>

On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 07:40:28PM -0000, Daniel Strnad wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 19:08:26 +0100, Pavel Srnka <srnkap at extranetplus.cz>  
> wrote:
> 
> > Kdyz uz sem pisu, chtel bych se zeptat jeste na jednu vec, nevi nekdo k  
> > cemu
> > je dobry odpor R7 (6,8R) v ronja nebulus?

I have added ticket in trac to find it when I have time and add
explanation into the webpage.

CL<
> > Mam navrzeny plosnaky, po osazeni dvou modulu na jedne strane HSDL  
> > sviti, na
> > druhe strane se ale jenom zacoudi a to prave z R7. Uz jsme to kontroloval
> > milionkrat a nemuzu za nic najit co je spatne v jednom oproti
> > druhemu.Nehlede na to ze treba odpory premeruju uz pri osazovani.Za radu
> > bych byl moc vdecnej.P.S.
> No tak to ti reknu uplne presne cim to je. Ten tranzistor BD139 ma  
> chladici plosku spojenou s kolektorem a kdyz ho chladis uzemnenou kostrou  
> krabicky tak to jde s R7 do zkratu a shori.
> 
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> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From P.Salek at seznam.cz  Mon Nov  7 16:45:52 2005
From: P.Salek at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Petr=20Salek?=)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:45:52 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog + ospf
Message-ID: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>

Tak se teda pustim asi do vyvoje vlastniho.
nevite nekdo jak inteligente menit cost linky v ospf?
zatim jsem napsal script s expectem co se prihlasuje pres ten telnet, ale je to odporny bastl.
Neni nejaky jednodussi zpusob?


From pavkriz at gybon.cz  Mon Nov  7 17:12:25 2005
From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:12:25 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog + ospf
In-Reply-To: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <436F8AF9.5040300@gybon.cz>

Je, pres vtysh. Takle lze menit napr. "passive-interface", obmena pro 
zmenu costu je snadna:

  VTYSH=vtysh

  function ronja_up {
    echo -e "configure terminal\nrouter ospf\nno passive-interface 
RONJA_IF" |$VTYSH >/dev/null
  }

  function ronja_down {
    echo -e "configure terminal\nrouter ospf\npassive-interface 
RONJA_IF" |$VTYSH >/dev/null
  }

Pavel
hkfree.org

Petr Salek wrote:
> Tak se teda pustim asi do vyvoje vlastniho.
> nevite nekdo jak inteligente menit cost linky v ospf?
> zatim jsem napsal script s expectem co se prihlasuje pres ten telnet, ale je to odporny bastl.
> Neni nejaky jednodussi zpusob?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 


From m.malusek at seznam.cz  Mon Nov  7 17:49:11 2005
From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:49:11 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog + ospf
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>

vtysh je super ale neni vsude
netcat je skoro vsude

a takhl eto muze treba vypadat cele


#!/bin/bash

heslo="heslo"
enable_heslo="heslo"
netcat="nc"

range1=5
range2=10
range3=15
range4=20
range5=25
range6=30
range7=40
range8=50
range9=60
range10=70
range11=80


chcost () {
$netcat localhost 2604 <<EOF >/dev/null
$heslo
enable
$enable_heslo
configure terminal
interface $1
ip ospf cost $2
exit
exit
exit
EOF
}


mesure() {
#eth ip initcost inc last

initcost=$3
incperrange=$4
lastcost=$5
eth=$1

out=`cping -c $2 1472 5 | grep loss`
rc=`echo $out | cut -d "," -f 2 | awk '{
    if( match($0, "received") > 0 ) print $1;
    else print "error";
}'`
if [ $rc == "error" ]
then
    rc=`echo $out | cut -d "," -f 3 | awk '{
        if( match($0, "received") > 0 ) print $1;
        else print 0;
    }'`
fi
if [ $rc -gt 0 ]
then
    out=`cping -c $2 1472 50 | grep loss`

    tr=`echo $out | cut -d "," -f 1 | awk '{
        if( match($0, "transmitted") > 0 ) print $1;
    }'`

    rc=`echo $out | cut -d "," -f 2 | awk '{
        if( match($0, "received") > 0 ) print $1;
    }'`
    if [ $rc == "" ]
    then
        rc=`echo $out | cut -d "," -f 3 | awk '{
            if( match($0, "received") > 0 ) print $1;
        }'`
    fi

    dif=`expr $rc \* 100 \/ $tr`
    loss=`expr 100 - $dif`
else
    loss=100
fi

if [ $loss -lt $range1 ]
then
    cost=$initcost
elif [ $loss -lt $range2 ]
then
    range=1
    cost=`expr $initcost + \( $range \* $incperrange \) `
elif [ $loss -lt $range3 ]
then
    range=2
    cost=`expr $initcost + \( $range \* $incperrange \) `
elif [ $loss -lt $range4 ]
then
    range=3
    cost=`expr $initcost + \( $range \* $incperrange \) `
elif [ $loss -lt $range5 ]
then
    range=4
    cost=`expr $initcost + \( $range \* $incperrange \) `
elif [ $loss -lt $range6 ]
then
    range=5
    cost=`expr $initcost + \( $range \* $incperrange \) `
elif [ $loss -lt $range7 ]
then
    range=6
    cost=`expr $initcost + \( $range \* $incperrange \) `
elif [ $loss -lt $range8 ]
then
    range=7
    cost=`expr $initcost + \( $range \* $incperrange \) `
elif [ $loss -lt $range9 ]
then
    range=8
    cost=`expr $initcost + \( $range \* $incperrange \) `
elif [ $loss -lt $range10 ]
then
    range=9
    cost=`expr $initcost + \( $range \* $incperrange \) `
elif [ $loss -lt $range11 ]
then
    range=10
    cost=`expr $initcost + \( $range \* $incperrange \) `
elif [ $loss -ge $range11 ]
then
    cost=$lastcost
fi

chcost $eth $cost
echo $eth $cost
}

mesure eth3 10.69.113.2 100 1000 60000

#end of script

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Petr Salek" <P.Salek at seznam.cz>
To: <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:45 PM
Subject: [Ronja] watchdog + ospf


> Tak se teda pustim asi do vyvoje vlastniho.
> nevite nekdo jak inteligente menit cost linky v ospf?
> zatim jsem napsal script s expectem co se prihlasuje pres ten telnet, ale
je to odporny bastl.
> Neni nejaky jednodussi zpusob?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>



From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz  Tue Nov  8 22:30:18 2005
From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:30:18 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] kolik zere ronja?
In-Reply-To: <001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>
	<001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>
Message-ID: <437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>

Jak velky proud zere ronja? u twistra je psane 260mA, je to mysleno i s 
pripojenym Tx a Rx? mozna by nebylo na skodu pripsat na www samotnou 
spotrebu Rx a Tx, nikde jsem to tam nenasel.

dik


From kendy at hkfree.org  Tue Nov  8 22:41:08 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:41:08 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] kolik zere ronja?
In-Reply-To: <437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>	<001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>
	<437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <43712984.6040900@hkfree.org>

me to papa i s topenim 600mA z 12V. Topeni je 180-200mA  RX TX sem nemeril..

Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):

> Jak velky proud zere ronja? u twistra je psane 260mA, je to mysleno i s 
> pripojenym Tx a Rx? mozna by nebylo na skodu pripsat na www samotnou 
> spotrebu Rx a Tx, nikde jsem to tam nenasel.
> 
> dik
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 


From cuk at cuk.nu  Tue Nov  8 22:46:42 2005
From: cuk at cuk.nu (Marko Cuk)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:46:42 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] kolik zere ronja?
In-Reply-To: <43712984.6040900@hkfree.org>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>	<001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>	<437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>
	<43712984.6040900@hkfree.org>
Message-ID: <43712AD2.2020000@cuk.nu>

Dobro je, da sem iz Slovenije in razumem nekaj od tega. :)
It's good, that I am from Slovenia and I understand something of this :)

And I have stupid question, but anyway... Where to get 130mm lenses, 
does anyone have good sources ? In slovenia, there is company Iskra 
Telma, wich produce optics, but they don't produce 130mm lenses. They 
can do it, but it is expensive ( 150-180 eur per lens ).
And another question ( i am new ) , does the Rx and Tx unit use the same 
lens, 130mm , wich means, that I need 4 lenses for a working ronja 
point-to-point link.

Many thanks,

Marko from Slovenia


Kendy - HKFree wrote:

>me to papa i s topenim 600mA z 12V. Topeni je 180-200mA  RX TX sem nemeril..
>
>Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
>
>  
>
>>Jak velky proud zere ronja? u twistra je psane 260mA, je to mysleno i s 
>>pripojenym Tx a Rx? mozna by nebylo na skodu pripsat na www samotnou 
>>spotrebu Rx a Tx, nikde jsem to tam nenasel.
>>
>>dik
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Ronja mailing list
>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>  
>

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From kendy at hkfree.org  Tue Nov  8 22:51:27 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:51:27 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] kolik zere ronja?
In-Reply-To: <43712AD2.2020000@cuk.nu>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>	<001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>	<437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>	<43712984.6040900@hkfree.org>
	<43712AD2.2020000@cuk.nu>
Message-ID: <43712BEF.9080204@hkfree.org>

We buy lenses on vietkong maket place in centre of Prague...

Yes you need 4 same lenses.



Marko Cuk napsal(a):

> Dobro je, da sem iz Slovenije in razumem nekaj od tega. :)
> It's good, that I am from Slovenia and I understand something of this :)
> 
> And I have stupid question, but anyway... Where to get 130mm lenses, 
> does anyone have good sources ? In slovenia, there is company Iskra 
> Telma, wich produce optics, but they don't produce 130mm lenses. They 
> can do it, but it is expensive ( 150-180 eur per lens ).
> And another question ( i am new ) , does the Rx and Tx unit use the same 
> lens, 130mm , wich means, that I need 4 lenses for a working ronja 
> point-to-point link.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Marko from Slovenia
> 
> 
> Kendy - HKFree wrote:
> 
> 
>>me to papa i s topenim 600mA z 12V. Topeni je 180-200mA  RX TX sem nemeril..
>>
>>Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>>Jak velky proud zere ronja? u twistra je psane 260mA, je to mysleno i s 
>>>pripojenym Tx a Rx? mozna by nebylo na skodu pripsat na www samotnou 
>>>spotrebu Rx a Tx, nikde jsem to tam nenasel.
>>>
>>>dik
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>> 
>>
> 
> 


From asteri_x at freemail.hu  Wed Nov  9 08:33:24 2005
From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (Martin)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:33:24 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] kolik zere ronja?
In-Reply-To: <43712BEF.9080204@hkfree.org>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>
	<001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen> <437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>
	<43712984.6040900@hkfree.org> <43712AD2.2020000@cuk.nu>
	<43712BEF.9080204@hkfree.org>
Message-ID: <4371B454.3040901@freemail.hu>

Kendy - HKFree ?rta:
> We buy lenses on vietkong maket place in centre of Prague...
> 
> Yes you need 4 same lenses.

Did anyone try aspheric acrylic lenses?

I realized, that normal spheric glass lenses are not useful for good
collimation of laser light. When I tried to collimate the beam for far
distance use, only inner 40mm of a 90 mm lens were used. The rest is
scattered away. Maybe the spherical aberration is the cause, but that
info is not helping me. I would like to use the whole lens.
The lens is a biconcave lens with focus of about 15cm. I put the flatter
side towards the LD.
With LEDs it is worse, because collimating the beam is nearly
impossible, because of the size of the emitting chip.

Karel, how much experiments did you do with laser usage?
How did you try the modulating test on the laser pointer?

How much did you do in testing 100Mbit?

Bye,
Martin



From polous at katka.biz  Wed Nov  9 09:41:41 2005
From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:41:41 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] kolik zere ronja?
In-Reply-To: <43712BEF.9080204@hkfree.org>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>	<001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>	<437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>	<43712984.6040900@hkfree.org>	<43712AD2.2020000@cuk.nu>
	<43712BEF.9080204@hkfree.org>
Message-ID: <4371C455.10301@katka.biz>

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Hash: SHA1

nechcete se naucit vytvaret nove zpravy kdyz zakladate novy thread ?
precijen nechapu co ma spolecneho "kolik zere ronja" s tematem
"watchdog + ospf". Vlakna jsou k tomu aby se usnadnilo lidem trideni.
Pokud budou vsichni stejne lini vytvorit novou zpravu a davat jenom re
(a prip prepisou subj.), tak se programatori snazi zbytecne... mimo to
me to irituje (coz je synonymum pro se*e)

pro ty co nechapou co je thread, si predstavte ze RE (Odpovedet na
zpravu) je vlozeni se do existujci diskuze a "Nova zprava" je zalozeni
noveho tematu. Kdyz budou vsichni placat svoje nove tema do existujci
diskuze, bude diskuze chaoticka...

diky vsem za pochopeni
p0l0us
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From u2aziz at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 13:42:52 2005
From: u2aziz at gmail.com (Aziz Shadiev)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:42:52 +0600
Subject: [Ronja] Client from Central Asia
Message-ID: <ba1058380511090542w5a979b31h@mail.gmail.com>

We wanted the pricelist (If there was any changes)
If, not
how can you send us the product if we located in Kyrgyzstan(Bishkek),
and how can we pay for this product?
----------------------
with a best wishes
Aziz Shadiev


From clock at twibright.com  Wed Nov  9 14:35:34 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:35:34 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] kolik zere ronja?
In-Reply-To: <43712BEF.9080204@hkfree.org>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>
	<001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>
	<437126FA.30903@centrum.cz> <43712984.6040900@hkfree.org>
	<43712AD2.2020000@cuk.nu> <43712BEF.9080204@hkfree.org>
Message-ID: <20051109143534.GA6164@kestrel>

On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 11:51:27PM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote:
> We buy lenses on vietkong maket place in centre of Prague...

This is not nice - imagine how someone vietnamese reading this list must
feel. I guess most vietnamese coming to CZ do it because they don't like
what's happening in their country.  Would you like being called
communist if you went from CZ westwards just because CZ had communistic
past?

Plus, lots of them are Chinese and not Vietnamese.

Racism doesn't have place in this world - it just contributes to
violence, as seen on TV (in France).

CL<
> 
> Yes you need 4 same lenses.
> 
> 
> 
> Marko Cuk napsal(a):
> 
> > Dobro je, da sem iz Slovenije in razumem nekaj od tega. :)
> > It's good, that I am from Slovenia and I understand something of this :)
> > 
> > And I have stupid question, but anyway... Where to get 130mm lenses, 
> > does anyone have good sources ? In slovenia, there is company Iskra 
> > Telma, wich produce optics, but they don't produce 130mm lenses. They 
> > can do it, but it is expensive ( 150-180 eur per lens ).
> > And another question ( i am new ) , does the Rx and Tx unit use the same 
> > lens, 130mm , wich means, that I need 4 lenses for a working ronja 
> > point-to-point link.
> > 
> > Many thanks,
> > 
> > Marko from Slovenia
> > 
> > 
> > Kendy - HKFree wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>me to papa i s topenim 600mA z 12V. Topeni je 180-200mA  RX TX sem nemeril..
> >>
> >>Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >>>Jak velky proud zere ronja? u twistra je psane 260mA, je to mysleno i s 
> >>>pripojenym Tx a Rx? mozna by nebylo na skodu pripsat na www samotnou 
> >>>spotrebu Rx a Tx, nikde jsem to tam nenasel.
> >>>
> >>>dik
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Ronja mailing list
> >>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Ronja mailing list
> >>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> >> 
> >>
> > 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From clock at twibright.com  Wed Nov  9 14:35:59 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:35:59 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] kolik zere ronja?
In-Reply-To: <437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>
	<001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>
	<437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <20051109143559.GB6164@kestrel>

On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 11:30:18PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote:
> Jak velky proud zere ronja? u twistra je psane 260mA, je to mysleno i s 
> pripojenym Tx a Rx? mozna by nebylo na skodu pripsat na www samotnou 
> spotrebu Rx a Tx, nikde jsem to tam nenasel.

What is this good for? Is anyone going to run RX and TX alone?

CL<
> 
> dik
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From clock at twibright.com  Thu Nov 10 10:48:52 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:48:52 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] kolik zere ronja?
In-Reply-To: <437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>
	<001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>
	<437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <20051110104852.GC7193@kestrel>

On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 11:30:18PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote:
> Jak velky proud zere ronja? u twistra je psane 260mA, je to mysleno i s 
> pripojenym Tx a Rx? mozna by nebylo na skodu pripsat na www samotnou 
> spotrebu Rx a Tx, nikde jsem to tam nenasel.

Can you please file a bugreport that this is not clear?

CL<
> 
> dik
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz  Thu Nov 10 13:13:23 2005
From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:13:23 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] kolik zere ronja?
In-Reply-To: <20051110104852.GC7193@kestrel>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>	<001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>	<437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>
	<20051110104852.GC7193@kestrel>
Message-ID: <43734773.9070203@centrum.cz>

Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):

>On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 11:30:18PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote:
>  
>
>>Jak velky proud zere ronja? u twistra je psane 260mA, je to mysleno i s 
>>pripojenym Tx a Rx? mozna by nebylo na skodu pripsat na www samotnou 
>>spotrebu Rx a Tx, nikde jsem to tam nenasel.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>Can you please file a bugreport that this is not clear?
>  
>
Kannst du mir das in tschechische oder deutsche  sprache schreiben? 
danke sch?n

>CL<
>  
>
>>dik
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Ronja mailing list
>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>
>
>
>  
>



From lucasvo at gmx.ch  Thu Nov 10 13:59:30 2005
From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:59:30 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] kolik zere ronja?
In-Reply-To: <43734773.9070203@centrum.cz>
References: <531.2573-815-1790402530-1131381952@seznam.cz>
	<001501c5e3c3$8fb0be60$0103450a@thechosen>	<437126FA.30903@centrum.cz>
	<20051110104852.GC7193@kestrel>  <43734773.9070203@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <1131631170.8049.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hallo,

On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:13 +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote:
> ><snip>
> >  
> >
> >Can you please file a bugreport that this is not clear?
> >  
> >
> Kannst du mir das in tschechische oder deutsche  sprache schreiben? 
> danke sch?n
> 
Ja sicher:
Bitte schreibe einen Fehlerbericht auf:
http://ronja-svn.wservices.ch/report/newticket

gruesse aus der schweiz :D

lucas
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From seligr at sh.cvut.cz  Fri Nov 11 09:30:46 2005
From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:30:46 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Unoficial RX PCB
Message-ID: <1131701446.437464c689c11@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>

Na http://laser.webpark.cz/download.html jsem pridal seznam soucastek + osazovaky.
A na http://laser.webpark.cz/ronja.html je par fotek testovaci varky. Uz vice
nez 10kousku jede venku na linkach a spokojenost je zatim maximalni.
Kdyz se pouzije misto koaxu UTPcko a vymeni se odpor R70 ma twisteru za 150R +
neco malo na RXu, tak to na podlaze jelo na 3,5m kdyz byly moduly v ose a vic
jak 4m (vic mista nebylo) pri vyoseni TX. Na jedne strane VIA integrovana na
druhe prehistoricky HUB (kdyz to chodi s nim tak uz se vsim).

Petr


From m.malusek at seznam.cz  Fri Nov 11 10:10:20 2005
From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:10:20 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Unoficial RX PCB
References: <1131701446.437464c689c11@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>
Message-ID: <000d01c5e6a8$1fe1e7c0$0103450a@thechosen>

pekne. nebylo by stane tam dat i obrazek nebo pdf tech shematek. instalovat
eagle se mi nechce.


Glo

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Petr Seliger" <seligr at sh.cvut.cz>
To: <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: [Ronja] Unoficial RX PCB


> Na http://laser.webpark.cz/download.html jsem pridal seznam soucastek +
osazovaky.
> A na http://laser.webpark.cz/ronja.html je par fotek testovaci varky. Uz
vice
> nez 10kousku jede venku na linkach a spokojenost je zatim maximalni.
> Kdyz se pouzije misto koaxu UTPcko a vymeni se odpor R70 ma twisteru za
150R +
> neco malo na RXu, tak to na podlaze jelo na 3,5m kdyz byly moduly v ose a
vic
> jak 4m (vic mista nebylo) pri vyoseni TX. Na jedne strane VIA integrovana
na
> druhe prehistoricky HUB (kdyz to chodi s nim tak uz se vsim).
>
> Petr
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>



From cuk at cuk.nu  Fri Nov 11 10:50:24 2005
From: cuk at cuk.nu (Marko Cuk)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:50:24 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Unoficial RX PCB
In-Reply-To: <1131701446.437464c689c11@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>
References: <1131701446.437464c689c11@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>
Message-ID: <43747770.1010200@cuk.nu>

Great.

Do you sell all this, or ? I don't understand much of it.

Now, as I understand, there is 100mbit ronja or some version of it ?

I need 1Km link, if 100mbit is possible, that is great, if 10mbit, it's 
acceptable too. 

Where to start, wich PCB's to use, does anyone sell a kit, PCB's, 
emmiting diodes, optics ?

Many thanks, Marko


Petr Seliger wrote:

>Na http://laser.webpark.cz/download.html jsem pridal seznam soucastek + osazovaky.
>A na http://laser.webpark.cz/ronja.html je par fotek testovaci varky. Uz vice
>nez 10kousku jede venku na linkach a spokojenost je zatim maximalni.
>Kdyz se pouzije misto koaxu UTPcko a vymeni se odpor R70 ma twisteru za 150R +
>neco malo na RXu, tak to na podlaze jelo na 3,5m kdyz byly moduly v ose a vic
>jak 4m (vic mista nebylo) pri vyoseni TX. Na jedne strane VIA integrovana na
>druhe prehistoricky HUB (kdyz to chodi s nim tak uz se vsim).
>
>Petr
>
>_______________________________________________
>Ronja mailing list
>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>
>  
>

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From seligr at sh.cvut.cz  Fri Nov 11 11:53:03 2005
From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:53:03 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Unoficial RX PCB
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5e6a8$1fe1e7c0$0103450a@thechosen>
References: <1131701446.437464c689c11@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>
	<000d01c5e6a8$1fe1e7c0$0103450a@thechosen>
Message-ID: <1131709983.4374861f5da1b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>

Schema musim jeste trochu ucesat. Je to vic jak rok stara prasarna a
velice se za nej stydim. Ale od puvodniho Clockova schematu se nejak moc nelisi
ke skode veci. 

Cituji z emailu od Michal Malusek <m.malusek at seznam.cz>:

> pekne. nebylo by stane tam dat i obrazek nebo pdf tech shematek. instalovat
> eagle se mi nechce.
> 
> 
> Glo
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Petr Seliger" <seligr at sh.cvut.cz>
> To: <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 10:30 AM
> Subject: [Ronja] Unoficial RX PCB
> 
> 
> > Na http://laser.webpark.cz/download.html jsem pridal seznam soucastek +
> osazovaky.
> > A na http://laser.webpark.cz/ronja.html je par fotek testovaci varky. Uz
> vice
> > nez 10kousku jede venku na linkach a spokojenost je zatim maximalni.
> > Kdyz se pouzije misto koaxu UTPcko a vymeni se odpor R70 ma twisteru za
> 150R +
> > neco malo na RXu, tak to na podlaze jelo na 3,5m kdyz byly moduly v ose a
> vic
> > jak 4m (vic mista nebylo) pri vyoseni TX. Na jedne strane VIA integrovana
> na
> > druhe prehistoricky HUB (kdyz to chodi s nim tak uz se vsim).
> >
> > Petr
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 





From seligr at sh.cvut.cz  Fri Nov 11 11:54:28 2005
From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:54:28 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Unoficial RX PCB
In-Reply-To: <43747770.1010200@cuk.nu>
References: <1131701446.437464c689c11@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>
	<43747770.1010200@cuk.nu>
Message-ID: <1131710068.43748674bab92@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>

It is only design of 10Mb RX for Ronja. Complete working RX module can be shiped
for 18EURO/pcs. w/o or 20EURO/pcs w/ BNC connectors + postal charge.
100Mb is not Ronja and its development is stopped for a while. There is only one
prototype tested within 250m range which is nowadays being improved for 1Gb.

Petr 

Cituji z emailu od Marko Cuk <cuk at cuk.nu>:

> Great.
> 
> Do you sell all this, or ? I don't understand much of it.
> 
> Now, as I understand, there is 100mbit ronja or some version of it ?
> 
> I need 1Km link, if 100mbit is possible, that is great, if 10mbit, it's 
> acceptable too. 
> 
> Where to start, wich PCB's to use, does anyone sell a kit, PCB's, 
> emmiting diodes, optics ?
> 
> Many thanks, Marko
> 
> 
> Petr Seliger wrote:
> 
> >Na http://laser.webpark.cz/download.html jsem pridal seznam soucastek +
> osazovaky.
> >A na http://laser.webpark.cz/ronja.html je par fotek testovaci varky. Uz
> vice
> >nez 10kousku jede venku na linkach a spokojenost je zatim maximalni.
> >Kdyz se pouzije misto koaxu UTPcko a vymeni se odpor R70 ma twisteru za 150R
> +
> >neco malo na RXu, tak to na podlaze jelo na 3,5m kdyz byly moduly v ose a
> vic
> >jak 4m (vic mista nebylo) pri vyoseni TX. Na jedne strane VIA integrovana
> na
> >druhe prehistoricky HUB (kdyz to chodi s nim tak uz se vsim).
> >
> >Petr
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Ronja mailing list
> >Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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From asteri_x at freemail.hu  Fri Nov 11 14:16:30 2005
From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (Martin)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:16:30 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Unoficial RX PCB
In-Reply-To: <1131710068.43748674bab92@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>
References: <1131701446.437464c689c11@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>
	<43747770.1010200@cuk.nu> <1131710068.43748674bab92@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>
Message-ID: <4374A7BE.6040904@freemail.hu>

Petr Seliger ?rta:
> It is only design of 10Mb RX for Ronja. Complete working RX module can be shiped
> for 18EURO/pcs. w/o or 20EURO/pcs w/ BNC connectors + postal charge.
> 100Mb is not Ronja and its development is stopped for a while. There is only one
> prototype tested within 250m range which is nowadays being improved for 1Gb.

Hi!

I think I missed a lot of development steps.
Could anyone send me some info, what you were using and how, not to make
same mistakes again in development of 100Mbit/s?

Bye,
Martin



From sorin at bz.ines.ro  Fri Nov 11 18:43:53 2005
From: sorin at bz.ines.ro (Sorin Popa)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:43:53 +0200
Subject: [Ronja] LXHL-BD03
Message-ID: <000601c5e6ef$dd86fa30$0d13320a@sorin>

LXHL-BD03 show in his spec. "less 100ns rise time".
For 10mbit, this rise time it's ok? will work?
tks..
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From anmic at fmg.sk  Sat Nov 12 11:34:44 2005
From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
Message-ID: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic>

Dobry den,

mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost probiralo
nekolik mesicu zpet.
Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)

Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici koaxu,
ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem k rx
mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka frekvencni
odbocka?

Dekuji,
anMic



From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz  Sat Nov 12 12:41:37 2005
From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:41:37 -0000
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
In-Reply-To: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic>
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic>
Message-ID: <opsz4n7nnrn6qjls@daman>

Jak na to mas ve schematu spidera na  
http://bleesmrt.hopto.org/~ladmanj/spider/

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0100, anMic <anmic at fmg.sk> wrote:

> Dobry den,
>
> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost  
> probiralo
> nekolik mesicu zpet.
> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
>
> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici  
> koaxu,
> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem  
> k rx
> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka  
> frekvencni
> odbocka?
>
> Dekuji,
> anMic
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja



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From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz  Sat Nov 12 11:43:15 2005
From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:43:15 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic>
Message-ID: <001001c5e77e$44b2ef00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>

kup sousedum por?dnou ant?nu

Cipis



----- Original Message -----
From: "anMic" <anmic at fmg.sk>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu


> Dobry den,
>
> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost probiralo
> nekolik mesicu zpet.
> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
>
> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici koaxu,
> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem k
rx
> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
frekvencni
> odbocka?
>
> Dekuji,
> anMic
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja



From anmic at fmg.sk  Sat Nov 12 11:52:19 2005
From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:52:19 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic>
	<001001c5e77e$44b2ef00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c5e77f$8c300fb0$0101a8c0@anmic>



>kup sousedum por?dnou ant?nu
>
>Cipis
>

Moznost by to byla..:) Ale co mate na mysli poradnou antenou? Tu yaggi,
jakou tam maji ted?

Navic jim budu asi tezko vysvetlovat, ze je to antenou. Je zajima, ze
predtim jim to chytalo tv krasne a od te doby, co tam mam ronju, jim to dela
pruhy. Takze logicky vidi chybu prave v Ronji.

A dalsi vec je, ze ronja jako zarizeni by prece nemela v idelanim pripade
vyzarovat nic.

anMic

>
>
>
>> Dobry den,
>>
>> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost
probiralo
>> nekolik mesicu zpet.
>> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
>> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
>> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
>>
>> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici
koaxu,
>> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
>> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem k
>>rx
>> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
>>frekvencni
>> odbocka?
>>
>> Dekuji,
>> anMic
>



From clock at twibright.com  Sat Nov 12 12:02:33 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:02:33 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] LXHL-BD03
In-Reply-To: <000601c5e6ef$dd86fa30$0d13320a@sorin>
References: <000601c5e6ef$dd86fa30$0d13320a@sorin>
Message-ID: <20051112120233.GB31524@kestrel.revamp-it.ch>

On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 08:43:53PM +0200, Sorin Popa wrote:
> LXHL-BD03 show in his spec. "less 100ns rise time".
> For 10mbit, this rise time it's ok? will work?

10Mbps needs about 30ns rise time to work well.

CL<
> tks..
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja



From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz  Sat Nov 12 13:05:50 2005
From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:05:50 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic><001001c5e77e$44b2ef00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
	<000e01c5e77f$8c300fb0$0101a8c0@anmic>
Message-ID: <001101c5e789$ce8844e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>

spise se podivej, co tam kde maji za zesilovac
pokud je tam yagi a zadny zesak po ceste, tak to asi bude tou ronjou
ale zkontrolovat jejich rozvod ej jednodussi

ronja bohuzel vyzaruje, ale dost problemu delaji i ty zesilovace, co byvaji
ale vetsinou na polskych sitech,
byl na to dokonce clanek i na CTU - ze je to chyba tech sit (majitelu),
ikdyz jim to 10 let jelo a ted ne

Cipis

----- Original Message -----
From: "anMic" <anmic at fmg.sk>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu




>kup sousedum por?dnou ant?nu
>
>Cipis
>

Moznost by to byla..:) Ale co mate na mysli poradnou antenou? Tu yaggi,
jakou tam maji ted?

Navic jim budu asi tezko vysvetlovat, ze je to antenou. Je zajima, ze
predtim jim to chytalo tv krasne a od te doby, co tam mam ronju, jim to dela
pruhy. Takze logicky vidi chybu prave v Ronji.

A dalsi vec je, ze ronja jako zarizeni by prece nemela v idelanim pripade
vyzarovat nic.

anMic

>
>
>
>> Dobry den,
>>
>> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost
probiralo
>> nekolik mesicu zpet.
>> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
>> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
>> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
>>
>> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici
koaxu,
>> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
>> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem k
>>rx
>> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
>>frekvencni
>> odbocka?
>>
>> Dekuji,
>> anMic
>


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From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz  Sat Nov 12 17:33:21 2005
From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:33:21 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
Message-ID: <200511121833.22555@centrum.cz>

Nemate nekdo blizsi informace o tomto projektu?

Citace z clanku http://www.veda.cz/detail.jsp?articleId=11851
"cena Nad?je zam??? ke studentovi pra?sk?ho Gymn?zia Heyrovsk?ho Janu ?v?bovi za vysokorychlostn? optick? datov? poj?tko (za??zen?, kter? vyu??v? sv?teln?ho paprsku pro propojen? vzd?len?ch po??ta?ov?ch s?t?)."

Googlovani moc nepomohlo, ale v nejakym rozhovoru jsem se dovedel, ze uz to bezi v kladensky siti jako paterni spoj. Docela by me zajimalo oc jde.

Vojta



From lburian at unhfree.net  Sat Nov 12 18:08:56 2005
From: lburian at unhfree.net (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Luk=E1=B9_Burian?=)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:08:56 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
In-Reply-To: <200511121833.22555@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <mailman.18.1131818936.13231.ronja@lists.pointless.net>

Pokud vim, tak na Kladn? b??? jedna Ronja... (viz klfree.net)

Luky

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005

Nemate nekdo blizsi informace o tomto projektu?

Citace z clanku http://www.veda.cz/detail.jsp?articleId=11851
"cena Nad?je zam??? ke studentovi pra?sk?ho Gymn?zia Heyrovsk?ho Janu
?v?bovi za vysokorychlostn? optick? datov? poj?tko (za??zen?, kter? vyu??v?
sv?teln?ho paprsku pro propojen? vzd?len?ch po??ta?ov?ch s?t?)."

Googlovani moc nepomohlo, ale v nejakym rozhovoru jsem se dovedel, ze uz to
bezi v kladensky siti jako paterni spoj. Docela by me zajimalo oc jde.

Vojta




From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz  Sat Nov 12 18:41:39 2005
From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub  =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:41:39 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
Message-ID: <200511121941.23680@centrum.cz>

kdyz sem se bavil jednou z martinem olejarem, kery minuly rok delal SOCku (stredoskolska odborna cinnost) rikal, ze na republikovem kole byl naky borec s optickym pojitkem ktere mu udajne funguje lip nez ronja. netusim proc, nevim presne o co de, jenom mi to psal v mejlu ze tohle bylo na nekterem z prvnich mist tusim. mozna by to mohlo byt prave tohle.....  jinak ten martin olejar je tusim twurce www.elweb.cz ma tam svoje forum. zkuste se ho zeptat. 

______________________________________________________________
> Od: lburian at unhfree.net
> Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> CC: 
> Datum: 12.11.2005 19:09
> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
>
> Pokud vim, tak na Kladn? b??? jedna Ronja... (viz klfree.net)
> 
> Luky
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
> 
> Nemate nekdo blizsi informace o tomto projektu?
> 
> Citace z clanku http://www.veda.cz/detail.jsp?articleId=11851
> "cena Nad?je zam??? ke studentovi pra?sk?ho Gymn?zia Heyrovsk?ho Janu
> ?v?bovi za vysokorychlostn? optick? datov? poj?tko (za??zen?, kter?
> vyu??v?
> sv?teln?ho paprsku pro propojen? vzd?len?ch po??ta?ov?ch s?t?)."
> 
> Googlovani moc nepomohlo, ale v nejakym rozhovoru jsem se dovedel, ze uz
> to
> bezi v kladensky siti jako paterni spoj. Docela by me zajimalo oc jde.
> 
> Vojta
> 
> 
> 
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From djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz  Sat Nov 12 19:03:44 2005
From: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz (dj-bobr)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:03:44 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
In-Reply-To: <200511121941.23680@centrum.cz>
References: <200511121941.23680@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <43763C90.5080002@seznam.cz>

[OT]
A jejej, Martin Olejar, Jan Svab, sakra, to vsechno jsou lidi, co 
chodili do stanice techniku DDM na Podbabe, jak je videt, roste tam 
elektrotechnicka elita :)
(ja tam chodil s nima na jeden krouzek, taxem zvedavej, co jednou 
vyroste z moji malickosti :D)
[/OT]

Schvaba se na to pojitko zeptam...

--
dj-bobr

Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
> kdyz sem se bavil jednou z martinem olejarem, kery minuly rok delal SOCku (stredoskolska odborna cinnost) rikal, ze na republikovem kole byl naky borec s optickym pojitkem ktere mu udajne funguje lip nez ronja. netusim proc, nevim presne o co de, jenom mi to psal v mejlu ze tohle bylo na nekterem z prvnich mist tusim. mozna by to mohlo byt prave tohle.....  jinak ten martin olejar je tusim twurce www.elweb.cz ma tam svoje forum. zkuste se ho zeptat. 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> 
>>Od: lburian at unhfree.net
>>Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>CC: 
>>Datum: 12.11.2005 19:09
>>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
>>
>>Pokud vim, tak na Kladn? b??? jedna Ronja... (viz klfree.net)
>>
>>Luky
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
>>
>>Nemate nekdo blizsi informace o tomto projektu?
>>
>>Citace z clanku http://www.veda.cz/detail.jsp?articleId=11851
>>"cena Nad?je zam??? ke studentovi pra?sk?ho Gymn?zia Heyrovsk?ho Janu
>>?v?bovi za vysokorychlostn? optick? datov? poj?tko (za??zen?, kter?
>>vyu??v?
>>sv?teln?ho paprsku pro propojen? vzd?len?ch po??ta?ov?ch s?t?)."
>>
>>Googlovani moc nepomohlo, ale v nejakym rozhovoru jsem se dovedel, ze uz
>>to
>>bezi v kladensky siti jako paterni spoj. Docela by me zajimalo oc jde.
>>
>>Vojta
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>
> 
> 
> 
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From anmic at fmg.sk  Sat Nov 12 20:07:27 2005
From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:07:27 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic><001001c5e77e$44b2ef00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><000e01c5e77f$8c300fb0$0101a8c0@anmic>
	<001101c5e789$ce8844e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c5e7c4$d9e44830$0101a8c0@anmic>

>
>spise se podivej, co tam kde maji za zesilovac
>pokud je tam yagi a zadny zesak po ceste, tak to asi bude tou ronjou
>ale zkontrolovat jejich rozvod ej jednodussi
>
>ronja bohuzel vyzaruje, ale dost problemu delaji i ty zesilovace, co byvaji
>ale vetsinou na polskych sitech,
>byl na to dokonce clanek i na CTU - ze je to chyba tech sit (majitelu),
>ikdyz jim to 10 let jelo a ted ne
>
>Cipis
>

Ten clanek z CTU jsem cetl, ale nevim, nakolik se to bude tykat tohoto
pripadu. Ale nejaky zesilovac tam jiste bude, protoze tv nova ma v nasi
lokalite pomerne slaby signal a je potreba trochu tomu pomoct. Sice jedno
sito tam maji, ale je smerovany na uplne jinou stranu. Tak nevim.

anMic

----- Original Message -----
From: "anMic" <anmic at fmg.sk>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu




>kup sousedum por?dnou ant?nu
>
>Cipis
>

Moznost by to byla..:) Ale co mate na mysli poradnou antenou? Tu yaggi,
jakou tam maji ted?

Navic jim budu asi tezko vysvetlovat, ze je to antenou. Je zajima, ze
predtim jim to chytalo tv krasne a od te doby, co tam mam ronju, jim to dela
pruhy. Takze logicky vidi chybu prave v Ronji.

A dalsi vec je, ze ronja jako zarizeni by prece nemela v idelanim pripade
vyzarovat nic.

anMic

>
>
>
>> Dobry den,
>>
>> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost
probiralo
>> nekolik mesicu zpet.
>> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
>> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
>> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
>>
>> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici
koaxu,
>> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
>> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem k
>>rx
>> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
>>frekvencni
>> odbocka?
>>
>> Dekuji,
>> anMic
>


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From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz  Sat Nov 12 21:01:31 2005
From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub  =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:01:31 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
Message-ID: <200511122201.12228@centrum.cz>

zeptej. a pak rekni co rikal :)

ja sem sam  zvedevy jake pojitko muze stredoskolak vymyslet. kdyz se divam na slozitost roji, moc mi to nesedi. bud to je totalni posuk, nebo to nedelal on.... a este na gymplu ...  to nima mozne :)

______________________________________________________________
> Od: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz
> Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> CC: 
> Datum: 12.11.2005 20:04
> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
>
> [OT]
> A jejej, Martin Olejar, Jan Svab, sakra, to vsechno jsou lidi, co chodili
> do stanice techniku DDM na Podbabe, jak je videt, roste tam
> elektrotechnicka elita :)
> (ja tam chodil s nima na jeden krouzek, taxem zvedavej, co jednou vyroste
> z moji malickosti :D)
> [/OT]
> 
> Schvaba se na to pojitko zeptam...
> 
> --
> dj-bobr
> 
> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
> > kdyz sem se bavil jednou z martinem olejarem, kery minuly rok delal
> SOCku (stredoskolska odborna cinnost) rikal, ze na republikovem kole byl
> naky borec s optickym pojitkem ktere mu udajne funguje lip nez ronja.
> netusim proc, nevim presne o co de, jenom mi to psal v mejlu ze tohle bylo
> na nekterem z prvnich mist tusim. mozna by to mohlo byt prave tohle..... 
> jinak ten martin olejar je tusim twurce www.elweb.cz ma tam svoje forum.
> zkuste se ho zeptat. > >
> ______________________________________________________________
> > >>Od: lburian at unhfree.net
> >>Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> >>CC: >>Datum: 12.11.2005 19:09
> >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
> >>
> >>Pokud vim, tak na Kladn? b??? jedna Ronja... (viz klfree.net)
> >>
> >>Luky
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
> >>
> >>Nemate nekdo blizsi informace o tomto projektu?
> >>
> >>Citace z clanku http://www.veda.cz/detail.jsp?articleId=11851
> >>"cena Nad?je zam??? ke studentovi pra?sk?ho Gymn?zia Heyrovsk?ho Janu
> >>?v?bovi za vysokorychlostn? optick? datov? poj?tko (za??zen?, kter?
> >>vyu??v?
> >>sv?teln?ho paprsku pro propojen? vzd?len?ch po??ta?ov?ch s?t?)."
> >>
> >>Googlovani moc nepomohlo, ale v nejakym rozhovoru jsem se dovedel, ze uz
> >>to
> >>bezi v kladensky siti jako paterni spoj. Docela by me zajimalo oc jde.
> >>
> >>Vojta
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Ronja mailing list
> >>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> >>
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 
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> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
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>



From djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz  Sat Nov 12 21:57:43 2005
From: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz (dj-bobr)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:57:43 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
In-Reply-To: <200511122201.12228@centrum.cz>
References: <200511122201.12228@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <43766557.9070903@seznam.cz>

Jako takhle - muzu potvrdit, ze se tim Svab cca pred rokem/2roky velmi 
intenzivne zabyval a byla doba, kdy obvolaval lidi, mne nevyjimaje, kdo 
by mu pomahal v noci zamerovat testovaci spoje.
Takze zase tak nerealne bych to nevidel.

btw: gympl uz skoncil, ted je z nej FELak :)

--
dj-bobr

> zeptej. a pak rekni co rikal :)
> 
> ja sem sam  zvedevy jake pojitko muze stredoskolak vymyslet. kdyz se divam na slozitost roji, moc mi to nesedi. bud to je totalni posuk, nebo to nedelal on.... a este na gymplu ...  to nima mozne :)
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> 
>>Od: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz
>>Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>CC: 
>>Datum: 12.11.2005 20:04
>>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
>>
>>[OT]
>>A jejej, Martin Olejar, Jan Svab, sakra, to vsechno jsou lidi, co chodili
>>do stanice techniku DDM na Podbabe, jak je videt, roste tam
>>elektrotechnicka elita :)
>>(ja tam chodil s nima na jeden krouzek, taxem zvedavej, co jednou vyroste
>>z moji malickosti :D)
>>[/OT]
>>
>>Schvaba se na to pojitko zeptam...
>>
>>--
>>dj-bobr
>>
>>Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
>>
>>>kdyz sem se bavil jednou z martinem olejarem, kery minuly rok delal
>>
>>SOCku (stredoskolska odborna cinnost) rikal, ze na republikovem kole byl
>>naky borec s optickym pojitkem ktere mu udajne funguje lip nez ronja.
>>netusim proc, nevim presne o co de, jenom mi to psal v mejlu ze tohle bylo
>>na nekterem z prvnich mist tusim. mozna by to mohlo byt prave tohle..... 
>>jinak ten martin olejar je tusim twurce www.elweb.cz ma tam svoje forum.
>>zkuste se ho zeptat. > >
>>______________________________________________________________
>>
>>>>>Od: lburian at unhfree.net
>>>>
>>>>Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>>CC: >>Datum: 12.11.2005 19:09
>>>>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
>>>>
>>>>Pokud vim, tak na Kladn? b??? jedna Ronja... (viz klfree.net)
>>>>
>>>>Luky
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
>>>>
>>>>Nemate nekdo blizsi informace o tomto projektu?
>>>>
>>>>Citace z clanku http://www.veda.cz/detail.jsp?articleId=11851
>>>>"cena Nad?je zam??? ke studentovi pra?sk?ho Gymn?zia Heyrovsk?ho Janu
>>>>?v?bovi za vysokorychlostn? optick? datov? poj?tko (za??zen?, kter?
>>>>vyu??v?
>>>>sv?teln?ho paprsku pro propojen? vzd?len?ch po??ta?ov?ch s?t?)."
>>>>
>>>>Googlovani moc nepomohlo, ale v nejakym rozhovoru jsem se dovedel, ze uz
>>>>to
>>>>bezi v kladensky siti jako paterni spoj. Docela by me zajimalo oc jde.
>>>>
>>>>Vojta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>
>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
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> 
> 
> 
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From seligr at sh.cvut.cz  Sat Nov 12 22:12:45 2005
From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:12:45 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
In-Reply-To: <200511122201.12228@centrum.cz>
References: <200511122201.12228@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <1131833565.437668dd32fd6@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>

No jestli to neni tenhle -=SCHVAB=-
http://www.czfree.net/forum/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=22352
Pred nejakym patkem nabizel na foru TP interface ktere jako by z oka vypadlo
tomu od nechvalne znameho MRX111 alias Misi Krestana. Byl tam Xilinx 9572 + Atmel.

Petr

Cituji z emailu od Jakub   Michn?k <jakub.michnik at centrum.cz>:

> zeptej. a pak rekni co rikal :)
> 
> ja sem sam  zvedevy jake pojitko muze stredoskolak vymyslet. kdyz se divam na
> slozitost roji, moc mi to nesedi. bud to je totalni posuk, nebo to nedelal
> on.... a este na gymplu ...  to nima mozne :)
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> > Od: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz
> > Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > CC: 
> > Datum: 12.11.2005 20:04
> > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
> >
> > [OT]
> > A jejej, Martin Olejar, Jan Svab, sakra, to vsechno jsou lidi, co chodili
> > do stanice techniku DDM na Podbabe, jak je videt, roste tam
> > elektrotechnicka elita :)
> > (ja tam chodil s nima na jeden krouzek, taxem zvedavej, co jednou vyroste
> > z moji malickosti :D)
> > [/OT]
> > 
> > Schvaba se na to pojitko zeptam...
> > 
> > --
> > dj-bobr
> > 
> > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
> > > kdyz sem se bavil jednou z martinem olejarem, kery minuly rok delal
> > SOCku (stredoskolska odborna cinnost) rikal, ze na republikovem kole byl
> > naky borec s optickym pojitkem ktere mu udajne funguje lip nez ronja.
> > netusim proc, nevim presne o co de, jenom mi to psal v mejlu ze tohle bylo
> > na nekterem z prvnich mist tusim. mozna by to mohlo byt prave tohle..... 
> > jinak ten martin olejar je tusim twurce www.elweb.cz ma tam svoje forum.
> > zkuste se ho zeptat. > >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > > >>Od: lburian at unhfree.net
> > >>Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > >>CC: >>Datum: 12.11.2005 19:09
> > >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
> > >>
> > >>Pokud vim, tak na Kladn? b?&#65533;? jedna Ronja... (viz klfree.net)
> > >>
> > >>Luky
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
> > >>
> > >>Nemate nekdo blizsi informace o tomto projektu?
> > >>
> > >>Citace z clanku http://www.veda.cz/detail.jsp?articleId=11851
> > >>"cena Nad?je zam??? ke studentovi pra&#65533;sk?ho Gymn?zia Heyrovsk?ho Janu
> > >>&#65533;v?bovi za vysokorychlostn? optick? datov? poj?tko (za??zen?, kter?
> > >>vyu&#65533;?v?
> > >>sv?teln?ho paprsku pro propojen? vzd?len?ch po??ta?ov?ch s?t?)."
> > >>
> > >>Googlovani moc nepomohlo, ale v nejakym rozhovoru jsem se dovedel, ze uz
> > >>to
> > >>bezi v kladensky siti jako paterni spoj. Docela by me zajimalo oc jde.
> > >>
> > >>Vojta
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>_______________________________________________
> > >>Ronja mailing list
> > >>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> > >>
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ronja mailing list
> > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz  Sun Nov 13 22:04:01 2005
From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:04:01 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
Message-ID: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz>

No jestli to nejak vyladil, nebylo by spatny se tomu podivat na zoubek.  Bohuzel, jak tak koukam, Ceska Hlava si to nechala urcite patentovat a na nejakou free licenci muzem zapomenout. 
Jinak mam uz nejaky ten rok za sebou absolvovanou pardubickou SPSE a nedokazu si predstavit, jak bych ve tretaku na koleni navrhoval program pro Xilinxe :-). Ale respektuju, ze nemohl dostat tu cenu pro nic za nic.

Vojta


> No jestli to neni tenhle -=SCHVAB=-
> http://www.czfree.net/forum/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=22352
> Pred nejakym patkem nabizel na foru TP interface ktere jako by z oka
> vypadlo
> tomu od nechvalne znameho MRX111 alias Misi Krestana. Byl tam Xilinx 9572
> + Atmel.
> 
> Petr
> 
> Cituji z emailu od Jakub Michn?k <jakub.michnik @centrum.cz="">:
> 
> > zeptej. a pak rekni co rikal :)
> > 
> > ja sem sam zvedevy jake pojitko muze stredoskolak vymyslet. kdyz se
> divam na
> > slozitost roji, moc mi to nesedi. bud to je totalni posuk, nebo to
> nedelal
> > on.... a este na gymplu ... to nima mozne :)
> > 



From fabyhenko at centrum.cz  Mon Nov 14 17:28:02 2005
From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Petr_Dvo=F8=E1k?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:28:02 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
In-Reply-To: <43763C90.5080002@seznam.cz>
References: <200511121941.23680@centrum.cz> <43763C90.5080002@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4378C922.7070006@centrum.cz>

OT: hehe, to je nahoda... navstevuju stejnej gympl ;) skoda ze sem ho 
neznal... mohli sme pokecat o FSO :D no nic... stane se ;)
dj-bobr wrote:

>[OT]
>A jejej, Martin Olejar, Jan Svab, sakra, to vsechno jsou lidi, co 
>chodili do stanice techniku DDM na Podbabe, jak je videt, roste tam 
>elektrotechnicka elita :)
>(ja tam chodil s nima na jeden krouzek, taxem zvedavej, co jednou 
>vyroste z moji malickosti :D)
>[/OT]
>
>Schvaba se na to pojitko zeptam...
>
>--
>dj-bobr
>
>Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
>  
>
>>kdyz sem se bavil jednou z martinem olejarem, kery minuly rok delal SOCku (stredoskolska odborna cinnost) rikal, ze na republikovem kole byl naky borec s optickym pojitkem ktere mu udajne funguje lip nez ronja. netusim proc, nevim presne o co de, jenom mi to psal v mejlu ze tohle bylo na nekterem z prvnich mist tusim. mozna by to mohlo byt prave tohle.....  jinak ten martin olejar je tusim twurce www.elweb.cz ma tam svoje forum. zkuste se ho zeptat. 
>>
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>>>
>>>Pokud vim, tak na Kladn? b??? jedna Ronja... (viz klfree.net)
>>>
>>>Luky
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
>>>
>>>Nemate nekdo blizsi informace o tomto projektu?
>>>
>>>Citace z clanku http://www.veda.cz/detail.jsp?articleId=11851
>>>"cena Nad?je zam??? ke studentovi pra?sk?ho Gymn?zia Heyrovsk?ho Janu
>>>?v?bovi za vysokorychlostn? optick? datov? poj?tko (za??zen?, kter?
>>>vyu??v?
>>>sv?teln?ho paprsku pro propojen? vzd?len?ch po??ta?ov?ch s?t?)."
>>>
>>>Googlovani moc nepomohlo, ale v nejakym rozhovoru jsem se dovedel, ze uz
>>>to
>>>bezi v kladensky siti jako paterni spoj. Docela by me zajimalo oc jde.
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From anmic at fmg.sk  Mon Nov 14 18:16:20 2005
From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:16:20 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic> <opsz4n7nnrn6qjls@daman>
Message-ID: <003e01c5e947$abe72810$0101a8c0@anmic>

> Jak na to mas ve schematu spidera na
> http://bleesmrt.hopto.org/~ladmanj/spider/
>

Vykuchal jsem to z toho schematu (v priloze). Muze to tak byt?
Jak mam upravit zapojeni modulu rx a prip. tx?

Dekuji,
anMic


> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0100, anMic <anmic at fmg.sk> wrote:
>
> > Dobry den,
> >
> > mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost
> > probiralo
> > nekolik mesicu zpet.
> > Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
> > objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> > takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
> > protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
> >
> > Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici
> > koaxu,
> > ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu
moznost
> > zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem
> > k rx
> > mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
> > frekvencni
> > odbocka?
> >
> > Dekuji,
> > anMic
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
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From clock at twibright.com  Mon Nov 14 18:24:53 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:24:53 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
In-Reply-To: <001101c5e789$ce8844e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
References: <000e01c5e77f$8c300fb0$0101a8c0@anmic>
	<001101c5e789$ce8844e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
Message-ID: <20051114182453.GA6071@kestrel>

On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 02:05:50PM +0100, Cipis wrote:
> spise se podivej, co tam kde maji za zesilovac
> pokud je tam yagi a zadny zesak po ceste, tak to asi bude tou ronjou
> ale zkontrolovat jejich rozvod ej jednodussi
> 
> ronja bohuzel vyzaruje, ale dost problemu delaji i ty zesilovace, co byvaji

I have just fixed radiation of RX. I hope I will be able to simulate it,
verify and publish soon.

I found radiation of TX as well and another bug - the TX PCB makes
chaotic oscillations when without signal. But it can be only for AC
gates which I have there (normally there are HC ones). AC gates are
stronger and generate more switching noise feedback.

I have to fix this everything gradually.

CL<
> ale vetsinou na polskych sitech,
> byl na to dokonce clanek i na CTU - ze je to chyba tech sit (majitelu),
> ikdyz jim to 10 let jelo a ted ne
> 
> Cipis
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "anMic" <anmic at fmg.sk>
> To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >kup sousedum por?dnou ant?nu
> >
> >Cipis
> >
> 
> Moznost by to byla..:) Ale co mate na mysli poradnou antenou? Tu yaggi,
> jakou tam maji ted?
> 
> Navic jim budu asi tezko vysvetlovat, ze je to antenou. Je zajima, ze
> predtim jim to chytalo tv krasne a od te doby, co tam mam ronju, jim to dela
> pruhy. Takze logicky vidi chybu prave v Ronji.
> 
> A dalsi vec je, ze ronja jako zarizeni by prece nemela v idelanim pripade
> vyzarovat nic.
> 
> anMic
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >> Dobry den,
> >>
> >> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost
> probiralo
> >> nekolik mesicu zpet.
> >> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
> >> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> > takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
> >> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
> >>
> >> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici
> koaxu,
> >> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
> >> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem k
> >>rx
> >> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
> >>frekvencni
> >> odbocka?
> >>
> >> Dekuji,
> >> anMic
> >
> 
> 
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From clock at twibright.com  Mon Nov 14 18:26:11 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:26:11 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
In-Reply-To: <000e01c5e77f$8c300fb0$0101a8c0@anmic>
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic>
	<001001c5e77e$44b2ef00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
	<000e01c5e77f$8c300fb0$0101a8c0@anmic>
Message-ID: <20051114182611.GB6071@kestrel>

On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 12:52:19PM +0100, anMic wrote:
> 
> 
> >kup sousedum por?dnou ant?nu
> >
> >Cipis
> >
> 
> Moznost by to byla..:) Ale co mate na mysli poradnou antenou? Tu yaggi,
> jakou tam maji ted?
> 
> Navic jim budu asi tezko vysvetlovat, ze je to antenou. Je zajima, ze
> predtim jim to chytalo tv krasne a od te doby, co tam mam ronju, jim to dela
> pruhy. Takze logicky vidi chybu prave v Ronji.
> 
> A dalsi vec je, ze ronja jako zarizeni by prece nemela v idelanim pripade
> vyzarovat nic.

Exactly.

CL<
> 
> anMic
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >> Dobry den,
> >>
> >> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost
> probiralo
> >> nekolik mesicu zpet.
> >> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
> >> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> > takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
> >> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
> >>
> >> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici
> koaxu,
> >> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
> >> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem k
> >>rx
> >> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
> >>frekvencni
> >> odbocka?
> >>
> >> Dekuji,
> >> anMic
> >
> 
> 
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From anmic at fmg.sk  Mon Nov 14 20:35:04 2005
From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:35:04 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
References: <000e01c5e77f$8c300fb0$0101a8c0@anmic><001101c5e789$ce8844e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
	<20051114182453.GA6071@kestrel>
Message-ID: <001d01c5e95b$058fc0d0$0101a8c0@anmic>

Thanks for your reply. I am really looking forward to the radiation fixes
you mentioned, because I cannnot use ronja normally now due to the actual
situation.

Wouldn't it be good to make changes to the cabling system in the guide? I
think that connecting both coax shields to GND and sending power through the
central wire (e.g. like in the Spider interface) could prevent problems with
radiation which can appear in the future (e.g. new pcb for a module released
which caused a radiation). It could be helpful for anyone who is not much
experienced in electronics as well (while building, can make a mistake which
causes radiation).

anMic


>On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 02:05:50PM +0100, Cipis wrote:
>> spise se podivej, co tam kde maji za zesilovac
>> pokud je tam yagi a zadny zesak po ceste, tak to asi bude tou ronjou
>> ale zkontrolovat jejich rozvod ej jednodussi
>>
>> ronja bohuzel vyzaruje, ale dost problemu delaji i ty zesilovace, co
byvaji
>
>I have just fixed radiation of RX. I hope I will be able to simulate it,
>verify and publish soon.
>
>I found radiation of TX as well and another bug - the TX PCB makes
>chaotic oscillations when without signal. But it can be only for AC
>gates which I have there (normally there are HC ones). AC gates are
>stronger and generate more switching noise feedback.
>
>I have to fix this everything gradually.
>
>CL<
>> ale vetsinou na polskych sitech,
>> byl na to dokonce clanek i na CTU - ze je to chyba tech sit (majitelu),
>> ikdyz jim to 10 let jelo a ted ne
>>
>> Cipis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "anMic" <anmic at fmg.sk>
>> To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >kup sousedum por?dnou ant?nu
>> >
>> >Cipis
>> >
>>
>> Moznost by to byla..:) Ale co mate na mysli poradnou antenou? Tu yaggi,
>> jakou tam maji ted?
>>
>> Navic jim budu asi tezko vysvetlovat, ze je to antenou. Je zajima, ze
>> predtim jim to chytalo tv krasne a od te doby, co tam mam ronju, jim to
dela
>> pruhy. Takze logicky vidi chybu prave v Ronji.
>>
>> A dalsi vec je, ze ronja jako zarizeni by prece nemela v idelanim pripade
>> vyzarovat nic.
>>
>> anMic
>>
>>
> >
> >
> >> Dobry den,
> >>
> >> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost
> probiralo
> >> nekolik mesicu zpet.
> >> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
> >> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> > takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
> >> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
> >>
> >> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici
> koaxu,
> >> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu
moznost
> >> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem
k
> >>rx
> >> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
> >>frekvencni
> >> odbocka?
> >>
> >> Dekuji,
> >> anMic



From seligr at sh.cvut.cz  Tue Nov 15 09:39:40 2005
From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:39:40 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
Message-ID: <1132047580.4379acdc9798a@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>

Zkousel to uz nekdo s temi civkami 220uH na stredni vodic koaxu? 
Me se to nezda, protoze zadna z bezne prodavanych nema 
potrebnou jakost (prilis nizky SRF).
Ja jsem to resil vymenou koaxu za UTP a odstranenim propojeni 
RX-TX, viz. http://laser.webpark.cz/work.html
 
Petr


> > Jak na to mas ve schematu spidera na
> > http://bleesmrt.hopto.org/~ladmanj/spider/
> >
> 
> Vykuchal jsem to z toho schematu (v priloze). Muze to tak byt?
> Jak mam upravit zapojeni modulu rx a prip. tx?
> 
> Dekuji,
> anMic
> 
> 
> > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0100, anMic <anmic at fmg.sk> wrote:
> >
> > > Dobry den,
> > >
> > > mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost
> > > probiralo
> > > nekolik mesicu zpet.
> > > Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
> > > objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> > > takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
> > > protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
> > >
> > > Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici
> > > koaxu,
> > > ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu
> moznost
> > > zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem
> > > k rx
> > > mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
> > > frekvencni
> > > odbocka?
> > >
> > > Dekuji,
> > > anMic



From clock at twibright.com  Tue Nov 15 09:56:29 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:56:29 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
In-Reply-To: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic>
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic>
Message-ID: <20051115095629.GB11900@kestrel>

On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 12:34:44PM +0100, anMic wrote:
> Dobry den,
> 
> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost probiralo
> nekolik mesicu zpet.
> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se

Which channel is TV Nova in your location on (channel number or
frequency in MHz), or from which transmitter is it being transmitted?

> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,

Do you know whether the strips are vertical, horizontal, or diagonal,
and what do they look like (example: 3mm bright strip with 6mm dark
spaces between)?

CL<
> takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
> 
> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici koaxu,
> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem k rx
> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka frekvencni
> odbocka?
> 
> Dekuji,
> anMic
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
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From ladmanj at volny.cz  Tue Nov 15 10:52:35 2005
From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:52:35 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
In-Reply-To: <1132047580.4379acdc9798a@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>
References: <1132047580.4379acdc9798a@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>
Message-ID: <200511151152.35655.ladmanj@volny.cz>

Mne to s napajenim po strednim vodici chodi (se spiderem).
Nicmene pouzite civky opravdu nedosahuji Q jakou bych si tam predstavoval. Asi 
to trosku zmensilo dosah (nezmereno), budu na tom dal pracovat, ale jak uz je 
obvykle - pomalu, protoze jsem furt v praci.
Jakub Ladman

Dne ?t 15. listopadu 2005 10:39 Petr Seliger napsal(a):
> Zkousel to uz nekdo s temi civkami 220uH na stredni vodic koaxu?
> Me se to nezda, protoze zadna z bezne prodavanych nema
> potrebnou jakost (prilis nizky SRF).
> Ja jsem to resil vymenou koaxu za UTP a odstranenim propojeni
> RX-TX, viz. http://laser.webpark.cz/work.html
>
> Petr
>
> > > Jak na to mas ve schematu spidera na
> > > http://bleesmrt.hopto.org/~ladmanj/spider/
> >
> > Vykuchal jsem to z toho schematu (v priloze). Muze to tak byt?
> > Jak mam upravit zapojeni modulu rx a prip. tx?
> >
> > Dekuji,
> > anMic
> >
> > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0100, anMic <anmic at fmg.sk> wrote:
> > > > Dobry den,
> > > >
> > > > mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost
> > > > probiralo
> > > > nekolik mesicu zpet.
> > > > Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
> > > > objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti
> > > > Ronji, takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer
> > > > zanedbatelne, protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou
> > > > stranu od ronji.)
> > > >
> > > > Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici
> > > > koaxu,
> > > > ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu
> >
> > moznost
> >
> > > > zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim
> > > > vodicem k rx
> > > > mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
> > > > frekvencni
> > > > odbocka?
> > > >
> > > > Dekuji,
> > > > anMic
>
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From kendy at hkfree.org  Tue Nov 15 11:17:34 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (kendy@hkfree.org)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:17:34 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
In-Reply-To: <20051115095629.GB11900@kestrel>
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic>
	<20051115095629.GB11900@kestrel>
Message-ID: <20051115121734.t9appydpke8040sk@charon.hkfree.org>

V HK jedem na vysilac Krasne u chrudimi, kde je nova na 3 kanalu. Dve ronjitka
co jsou u dvou anten (na dvou ruznych mistech ve meste) rusi novu. Jsou to
sikmy pruhy, jako by je nekdo namaloval pruhlednou fixou na televizi. Maji cca
30? sklon. Fotku bohuzel nemam, neb ronja musi byt do ostraneni problemu
vypnuta.

Quoting Karel Kulhavy <clock at twibright.com>:

> On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 12:34:44PM +0100, anMic wrote:
>> Dobry den,
>>
>> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost probiralo
>> nekolik mesicu zpet.
>> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
>
> Which channel is TV Nova in your location on (channel number or
> frequency in MHz), or from which transmitter is it being transmitted?
>
>> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
>
> Do you know whether the strips are vertical, horizontal, or diagonal,
> and what do they look like (example: 3mm bright strip with 6mm dark
> spaces between)?
>
> CL<
>> takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
>> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
>>
>> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici koaxu,
>> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
>> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem k rx
>> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka frekvencni
>> odbocka?
>>
>> Dekuji,
>> anMic
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ronja mailing list
>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>
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From clock at twibright.com  Tue Nov 15 14:29:29 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:29:29 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
In-Reply-To: <001d01c5e95b$058fc0d0$0101a8c0@anmic>
References: <20051114182453.GA6071@kestrel>
	<001d01c5e95b$058fc0d0$0101a8c0@anmic>
Message-ID: <20051115142929.GA26962@kestrel>

On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 09:35:04PM +0100, anMic wrote:
> Thanks for your reply. I am really looking forward to the radiation fixes
> you mentioned, because I cannnot use ronja normally now due to the actual
> situation.

Do you already have the Twister fix implemented?

Does the interference go away if Ronja is running, but no data are going
through?

> Wouldn't it be good to make changes to the cabling system in the guide? I

I would like to change the system to have all shields on GND. If all
shields are on GND, then it's a perfect shielding system.

But it would require more components so I don't want to do it now when
the RX is still on airwire. Lucas is working on SMD PCB so after he
finishes it and people start building it, which will make building Ronja
easier, we can somehow poke at the problem.

> think that connecting both coax shields to GND and sending power through the
> central wire (e.g. like in the Spider interface) could prevent problems with
> radiation which can appear in the future (e.g. new pcb for a module released
> which caused a radiation). It could be helpful for anyone who is not much
> experienced in electronics as well (while building, can make a mistake which
> causes radiation).

Unexperienced person shouldn't be able to cause radiation when building
according to the guide. When you don't build according to the guide then
anything can happen.

CL<
> 
> anMic
> 
> 
> >On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 02:05:50PM +0100, Cipis wrote:
> >> spise se podivej, co tam kde maji za zesilovac
> >> pokud je tam yagi a zadny zesak po ceste, tak to asi bude tou ronjou
> >> ale zkontrolovat jejich rozvod ej jednodussi
> >>
> >> ronja bohuzel vyzaruje, ale dost problemu delaji i ty zesilovace, co
> byvaji
> >
> >I have just fixed radiation of RX. I hope I will be able to simulate it,
> >verify and publish soon.
> >
> >I found radiation of TX as well and another bug - the TX PCB makes
> >chaotic oscillations when without signal. But it can be only for AC
> >gates which I have there (normally there are HC ones). AC gates are
> >stronger and generate more switching noise feedback.
> >
> >I have to fix this everything gradually.
> >
> >CL<
> >> ale vetsinou na polskych sitech,
> >> byl na to dokonce clanek i na CTU - ze je to chyba tech sit (majitelu),
> >> ikdyz jim to 10 let jelo a ted ne
> >>
> >> Cipis
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "anMic" <anmic at fmg.sk>
> >> To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:52 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >kup sousedum por?dnou ant?nu
> >> >
> >> >Cipis
> >> >
> >>
> >> Moznost by to byla..:) Ale co mate na mysli poradnou antenou? Tu yaggi,
> >> jakou tam maji ted?
> >>
> >> Navic jim budu asi tezko vysvetlovat, ze je to antenou. Je zajima, ze
> >> predtim jim to chytalo tv krasne a od te doby, co tam mam ronju, jim to
> dela
> >> pruhy. Takze logicky vidi chybu prave v Ronji.
> >>
> >> A dalsi vec je, ze ronja jako zarizeni by prece nemela v idelanim pripade
> >> vyzarovat nic.
> >>
> >> anMic
> >>
> >>
> > >
> > >
> > >> Dobry den,
> > >>
> > >> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost
> > probiralo
> > >> nekolik mesicu zpet.
> > >> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
> > >> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> > > takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
> > >> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
> > >>
> > >> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici
> > koaxu,
> > >> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu
> moznost
> > >> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem
> k
> > >>rx
> > >> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
> > >>frekvencni
> > >> odbocka?
> > >>
> > >> Dekuji,
> > >> anMic
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From anmic at fmg.sk  Tue Nov 15 18:47:30 2005
From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:47:30 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
References: <20051114182453.GA6071@kestrel><001d01c5e95b$058fc0d0$0101a8c0@anmic>
	<20051115142929.GA26962@kestrel>
Message-ID: <000401c5ea15$166619d0$0101a8c0@anmic>

>
>On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 09:35:04PM +0100, anMic wrote:
>> Thanks for your reply. I am really looking forward to the radiation fixes
>> you mentioned, because I cannnot use ronja normally now due to the actual
>> situation.
>
>Do you already have the Twister fix implemented?
>
>Does the interference go away if Ronja is running, but no data are going
>through?
>

The twister bugfix is implemented and the filtering capacitors has as short
leads as possible.
The interference appears both when threre is no signal from the other side
and even when there is strong signal form the other side of the track. But
when a signal is there, the interference seems to be stronger.
And when a larger amount of data goes through, it can be seen as a very
short "flash" on the TV screen (I am not able to describe it accurately).

anMic


>> Wouldn't it be good to make changes to the cabling system in the guide? I
>
>I would like to change the system to have all shields on GND. If all
>shields are on GND, then it's a perfect shielding system.
>
>But it would require more components so I don't want to do it now when
>the RX is still on airwire. Lucas is working on SMD PCB so after he
>finishes it and people start building it, which will make building Ronja
>easier, we can somehow poke at the problem.
>
>> think that connecting both coax shields to GND and sending power through
the
>> central wire (e.g. like in the Spider interface) could prevent problems
with
>> radiation which can appear in the future (e.g. new pcb for a module
released
>> which caused a radiation). It could be helpful for anyone who is not much
>> experienced in electronics as well (while building, can make a mistake
which
>> causes radiation).

>Unexperienced person shouldn't be able to cause radiation when building
>according to the guide. When you don't build according to the guide then
>anything can happen.
>
>CL<
>>
>> anMic
>>
>



From clock at twibright.com  Tue Nov 15 19:37:54 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:37:54 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
In-Reply-To: <20051115121734.t9appydpke8040sk@charon.hkfree.org>
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic>
	<20051115095629.GB11900@kestrel>
	<20051115121734.t9appydpke8040sk@charon.hkfree.org>
Message-ID: <20051115193754.GA18264@kestrel.santaklone.net>

On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 12:17:34PM +0100, kendy at hkfree.org wrote:
> V HK jedem na vysilac Krasne u chrudimi, kde je nova na 3 kanalu. Dve
> ronjitka

The picture is carried on 77.25MHz and sound on 83.75 (or 82.75 if it's
5.5MHz sound). Is it right?

http://media.misto.cz/_MAIL_/16.htm

CL<

> co jsou u dvou anten (na dvou ruznych mistech ve meste) rusi novu. Jsou to
> sikmy pruhy, jako by je nekdo namaloval pruhlednou fixou na televizi. Maji cca
> 30? sklon. Fotku bohuzel nemam, neb ronja musi byt do ostraneni problemu
> vypnuta.
> 
> Quoting Karel Kulhavy <clock at twibright.com>:
> 
> > On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 12:34:44PM +0100, anMic wrote:
> >> Dobry den,
> >>
> >> mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost probiralo
> >> nekolik mesicu zpet.
> >> Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
> >
> > Which channel is TV Nova in your location on (channel number or
> > frequency in MHz), or from which transmitter is it being transmitted?
> >
> >> objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
> >
> > Do you know whether the strips are vertical, horizontal, or diagonal,
> > and what do they look like (example: 3mm bright strip with 6mm dark
> > spaces between)?
> >
> > CL<
> >> takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
> >> protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
> >>
> >> Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici koaxu,
> >> ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
> >> zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem k rx
> >> mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka frekvencni
> >> odbocka?
> >>
> >> Dekuji,
> >> anMic
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ronja mailing list
> >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> >
> 
> 
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From kendy at hkfree.org  Tue Nov 15 23:29:28 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:29:28 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
In-Reply-To: <20051115193754.GA18264@kestrel.santaklone.net>
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic>	<20051115095629.GB11900@kestrel>	<20051115121734.t9appydpke8040sk@charon.hkfree.org>
	<20051115193754.GA18264@kestrel.santaklone.net>
Message-ID: <437A6F58.1010304@hkfree.org>

Omlouvam se, to byl preklep. Kanal je to 6. Dle te tabulky tedy:
III R6 175,25 181,75

Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 12:17:34PM +0100, kendy at hkfree.org wrote:
> 
>>V HK jedem na vysilac Krasne u chrudimi, kde je nova na 3 kanalu. Dve
>>ronjitka
> 
> 
> The picture is carried on 77.25MHz and sound on 83.75 (or 82.75 if it's
> 5.5MHz sound). Is it right?
> 
> http://media.misto.cz/_MAIL_/16.htm
> 
> CL<
> 
>>co jsou u dvou anten (na dvou ruznych mistech ve meste) rusi novu. Jsou to
>>sikmy pruhy, jako by je nekdo namaloval pruhlednou fixou na televizi. Maji cca
>>30? sklon. Fotku bohuzel nemam, neb ronja musi byt do ostraneni problemu
>>vypnuta.
>>
>>Quoting Karel Kulhavy <clock at twibright.com>:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 12:34:44PM +0100, anMic wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dobry den,
>>>>
>>>>mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost probiralo
>>>>nekolik mesicu zpet.
>>>>Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
>>>
>>>Which channel is TV Nova in your location on (channel number or
>>>frequency in MHz), or from which transmitter is it being transmitted?
>>>
>>>
>>>>objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti Ronji,
>>>
>>>Do you know whether the strips are vertical, horizontal, or diagonal,
>>>and what do they look like (example: 3mm bright strip with 6mm dark
>>>spaces between)?
>>>
>>>CL<
>>>
>>>>takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
>>>>protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
>>>>
>>>>Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici koaxu,
>>>>ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu moznost
>>>>zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim vodicem k rx
>>>>mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka frekvencni
>>>>odbocka?
>>>>
>>>>Dekuji,
>>>>anMic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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From clock at twibright.com  Wed Nov 16 09:49:19 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:49:19 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ruseni TV; napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
In-Reply-To: <000401c5ea15$166619d0$0101a8c0@anmic>
References: <20051115142929.GA26962@kestrel>
	<000401c5ea15$166619d0$0101a8c0@anmic>
Message-ID: <20051116094919.GC30448@kestrel>

On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 07:47:30PM +0100, anMic wrote:
> >
> >On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 09:35:04PM +0100, anMic wrote:
> >> Thanks for your reply. I am really looking forward to the radiation fixes
> >> you mentioned, because I cannnot use ronja normally now due to the actual
> >> situation.
> >
> >Do you already have the Twister fix implemented?
> >
> >Does the interference go away if Ronja is running, but no data are going
> >through?
> >
> 
> The twister bugfix is implemented and the filtering capacitors has as short
> leads as possible.
> The interference appears both when threre is no signal from the other side
> and even when there is strong signal form the other side of the track. But
> when a signal is there, the interference seems to be stronger.
> And when a larger amount of data goes through, it can be seen as a very
> short "flash" on the TV screen (I am not able to describe it accurately).

With Ronja - up to 90% savings on LSD :)

Yesterday I have optimized the RX filter in simulator.

CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Wed Nov 16 10:04:42 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:04:42 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <000601c5e86d$b06c6420$9664000a@max>
References: <000601c5e86d$b06c6420$9664000a@max>
Message-ID: <20051116100442.GA30643@kestrel>

On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 05:17:05PM +0100, Max wrote:
> Ahoj maly problemek s TW mam 2 nove TW oba delaji to same - odber
> 500mA coz je dost, test se Snifferem ok. pakety chodi 2x ale asi po
> 20sec sitovka v PC zhasne a obvody DS26 jsou pomerne teple - vic nez
> na predchozich TW. TY DS byly zkousene v jinem TW s paticema a byly
> ok. jelikoz to mam poprve zapajene bez patic nechce se mi ty DS
> vyskripavat a navic jine nemam. Odpory jsem kontroloval to je ok.
> napajeni take. Nesetkal si se snecim takovym. Obe desky delaji to samy
> MaX 

Don't you have the regulator the other way? Can you post a photo?

CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Wed Nov 16 10:06:54 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:06:54 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] fw: KiCAD vs. gEDA
Message-ID: <20051116100654.GB30643@kestrel>

----- Forwarded message from Jason Skicewicz <jskitz at gmail.com> -----

Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:54:26 -0600
From: Jason Skicewicz <jskitz at gmail.com>
To: geda-user at seul.org
Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Editing elements in PCB is too complicated

A word of warning on kiCAD. I used the kiCAD software for schematic capture,
and thought that it was a great and easy tool to use. Especially adding new
components to your own personal library was extremely easy. However, my
manager did not want me to do the PCB layout, and wanted to farm this out to
board designers. With kiCAD, I could not find one netlist format that was
compatible with the board designers that our company uses. kiCAD supposedly
has netlist generation for OrCAD and PADS, but neither of these were
readable by our board designers, who actually use PADS. So, a long story
short, our board designers had to recapture the schematic that I made with
kiCAD, which essentially saved us little money by going open source.

I spent some time trying to figure out netlist conversion, but made little
progress. Couldn't find too much information on proprietary netlist formats
to figure out the conversion between kiCAD and PADS. Jean-Pierre Charras,
the main developer is a very helpful guy, and tried to help me solve my
problem with a special release that he made for this purpose. I still
couldn't get it to work with our board designers.

This is why I plan to try GEDA for the next board. We only spin boards about
twice a year, so I will probably be using gschem very soon. The gnetlist
component seems to handle many more netlist formats, and has conversion
capability, which I am excited about. I never want to have the problem that
I ran into previously with kiCAD. I also strongly believe in open source and
am interested in helping out, so don't really want to buy something like
PADS.

-jason


On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 08:34:42PM -0500, Bob Paddock wrote:
> > On Thursday 10 November 2005 05:27 pm, Mike Hansen wrote:
> >
> > > If the users feel they can complain incessantly about the bugs and
> features
> > >in the software then I suggest doing one of two things:
> > > a) Fix the bug yourself.
> >
> > That is always the inevitable reply when some one criticizes an Open
> Source
> > program. :-(
>
> Someone is doing an auxilliary mesaurement board for Ronja and decided
> to try out Kicad. He said he was able to do the development cycle of a
> simple board in 5 minutes. And that he wants to do it in Kicad because
> it's easy and has a feeling that everything works there, and the
> required parts are in the library.
>
> I told him Kicad is OK on Ronja because it's GPL as well. So he'll do it
> in Kicad instead of gEDA.
>
> CL<
> >
> > > Either show some respect for the developers
> >
> > Software Development Magazine September 2005
> > BUSINESS RULES
> > 11 Clients You Need to Fire Right Now
> > "Is your customer a chiseler, perpetually dissatisfied or a bully? Are
> > you tired of justifying software development practices to people who
> think
> > it's just so much high-paid typing? It's time to cut loose those clients
> who
> > are earning you gray hairs. By Christopher Hawkins"
> >
> > http://www.sdmagazine.com/documents/sdm0509c/
> >
> > You do have to register to read the entire article, but it is free to do
> so to
> > my knowledge.
>

----- End forwarded message -----


From ladmanj at volny.cz  Wed Nov 16 18:07:55 2005
From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:07:55 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
In-Reply-To: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz>
References: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz>

Sice uz davno nejsem na stredni skole, ale musim oponovat.
Naucit se psat logiku do xilinxe je veeeeeeelmi jednoduche, kdo to umi 
poskladat z hradel, ten to napise i do xilinxe a ja napriklad jsem skladat z 
hradel umel uz na zakladni skole.

Jakub

On Sunday 13 of November 2005 23:04, vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz wrote:
> No jestli to nejak vyladil, nebylo by spatny se tomu podivat na zoubek. 
> Bohuzel, jak tak koukam, Ceska Hlava si to nechala urcite patentovat a na
> nejakou free licenci muzem zapomenout. Jinak mam uz nejaky ten rok za sebou
> absolvovanou pardubickou SPSE a nedokazu si predstavit, jak bych ve tretaku
> na koleni navrhoval program pro Xilinxe :-). Ale respektuju, ze nemohl
> dostat tu cenu pro nic za nic.
>
> Vojta
>
> > No jestli to neni tenhle -=SCHVAB=-
> > http://www.czfree.net/forum/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=22352
> > Pred nejakym patkem nabizel na foru TP interface ktere jako by z oka
> > vypadlo
> > tomu od nechvalne znameho MRX111 alias Misi Krestana. Byl tam Xilinx 9572
> > + Atmel.
> >
> > Petr
> >
> > Cituji z emailu od Jakub Michn?k <jakub.michnik @centrum.cz="">:
> > > zeptej. a pak rekni co rikal :)
> > >
> > > ja sem sam zvedevy jake pojitko muze stredoskolak vymyslet. kdyz se
> >
> > divam na
> >
> > > slozitost roji, moc mi to nesedi. bud to je totalni posuk, nebo to
> >
> > nedelal
> >
> > > on.... a este na gymplu ... to nima mozne :)
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
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From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz  Wed Nov 16 18:13:29 2005
From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:13:29 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
In-Reply-To: <200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz>
References: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz>
	<200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz>
Message-ID: <437B76C9.2060309@centrum.cz>

kdyz rikas ze je to tak veeelmi jednoduche. kde se da k tomu neco 
sehanat? naka literaturu, nebo je neco na netu?  rad bych se na to 
podival ....


Jakub Ladman napsal(a):

>Sice uz davno nejsem na stredni skole, ale musim oponovat.
>Naucit se psat logiku do xilinxe je veeeeeeelmi jednoduche, kdo to umi 
>poskladat z hradel, ten to napise i do xilinxe a ja napriklad jsem skladat z 
>hradel umel uz na zakladni skole.
>
>Jakub
>
>On Sunday 13 of November 2005 23:04, vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz wrote:
>  
>
>>No jestli to nejak vyladil, nebylo by spatny se tomu podivat na zoubek. 
>>Bohuzel, jak tak koukam, Ceska Hlava si to nechala urcite patentovat a na
>>nejakou free licenci muzem zapomenout. Jinak mam uz nejaky ten rok za sebou
>>absolvovanou pardubickou SPSE a nedokazu si predstavit, jak bych ve tretaku
>>na koleni navrhoval program pro Xilinxe :-). Ale respektuju, ze nemohl
>>dostat tu cenu pro nic za nic.
>>
>>Vojta
>>
>>    
>>
>>>No jestli to neni tenhle -=SCHVAB=-
>>>http://www.czfree.net/forum/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=22352
>>>Pred nejakym patkem nabizel na foru TP interface ktere jako by z oka
>>>vypadlo
>>>tomu od nechvalne znameho MRX111 alias Misi Krestana. Byl tam Xilinx 9572
>>>+ Atmel.
>>>
>>>Petr
>>>
>>>Cituji z emailu od Jakub Michn?k <jakub.michnik @centrum.cz="">:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>zeptej. a pak rekni co rikal :)
>>>>
>>>>ja sem sam zvedevy jake pojitko muze stredoskolak vymyslet. kdyz se
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>divam na
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>slozitost roji, moc mi to nesedi. bud to je totalni posuk, nebo to
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>nedelal
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>on.... a este na gymplu ... to nima mozne :)
>>>>        
>>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>
>
>
>  
>



From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz  Wed Nov 16 19:40:59 2005
From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:40:59 -0000
Subject: [Ronja] Ceska hlava 2005
In-Reply-To: <437B76C9.2060309@centrum.cz>
References: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz>
	<200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz> <437B76C9.2060309@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <ops0cmaltbn6qjls@daman>

Jo je toho docela dost, treba ja mam stazeny z P2P pdfko Programming VHDL  
by example. A nejaky uplny uvody do hradlovych poli v cestine mas na  
www.mcu.cz A jak rika Jakub nic na tom neni, s CPLD delam od prvkau  
stredni(tedka jsem ve druhaku).

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:13:29 +0100, Jakub Michn?k  
<jakub.michnik at centrum.cz> wrote:

> kdyz rikas ze je to tak veeelmi jednoduche. kde se da k tomu neco
> sehanat? naka literaturu, nebo je neco na netu?  rad bych se na to
> podival ....
>
>
> Jakub Ladman napsal(a):
>
>> Sice uz davno nejsem na stredni skole, ale musim oponovat.
>> Naucit se psat logiku do xilinxe je veeeeeeelmi jednoduche, kdo to umi
>> poskladat z hradel, ten to napise i do xilinxe a ja napriklad jsem  
>> skladat z
>> hradel umel uz na zakladni skole.
>>
>> Jakub
>>
>> On Sunday 13 of November 2005 23:04, vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz wrote:
>>
>>
>>> No jestli to nejak vyladil, nebylo by spatny se tomu podivat na zoubek.
>>> Bohuzel, jak tak koukam, Ceska Hlava si to nechala urcite patentovat a  
>>> na
>>> nejakou free licenci muzem zapomenout. Jinak mam uz nejaky ten rok za  
>>> sebou
>>> absolvovanou pardubickou SPSE a nedokazu si predstavit, jak bych ve  
>>> tretaku
>>> na koleni navrhoval program pro Xilinxe :-). Ale respektuju, ze nemohl
>>> dostat tu cenu pro nic za nic.
>>>
>>> Vojta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> No jestli to neni tenhle -=SCHVAB=-
>>>> http://www.czfree.net/forum/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=22352
>>>> Pred nejakym patkem nabizel na foru TP interface ktere jako by z oka
>>>> vypadlo
>>>> tomu od nechvalne znameho MRX111 alias Misi Krestana. Byl tam Xilinx  
>>>> 9572
>>>> + Atmel.
>>>>
>>>> Petr
>>>>
>>>> Cituji z emailu od Jakub Michn?k <jakub.michnik @centrum.cz="">:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> zeptej. a pak rekni co rikal :)
>>>>>
>>>>> ja sem sam zvedevy jake pojitko muze stredoskolak vymyslet. kdyz se
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> divam na
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> slozitost roji, moc mi to nesedi. bud to je totalni posuk, nebo to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> nedelal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> on.... a este na gymplu ... to nima mozne :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ronja mailing list
>>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From mixaj at mymail.cz  Wed Nov 16 21:43:56 2005
From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:43:56 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama
References: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz><200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz>
	<437B76C9.2060309@centrum.cz> <ops0cmaltbn6qjls@daman>
Message-ID: <007401c5eaf7$318ccd20$d203a8c0@diablo>

Ahoj lidi.

Nevite o nejake mape pro PC, ktera by mela vrstevnice (vysky).
Kde bych si mohl zadat bod A a bod B a ono mi to ukazalo jestli mezi temi 
body je vona zona? Jestli se ty body videj?
Idealne neco freeware.

Nasel jsem na netu peknej programek, ale 30litru, abych se do toho dvakrat 
podival, je moooc.
Nasel jsem: http://www.mmc.cz/mmc_web_cz/Products/Magis_Professional.aspx


Diky za nfo.

Cau Jarda. 



From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz  Wed Nov 16 21:55:05 2005
From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:55:05 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama
In-Reply-To: <007401c5eaf7$318ccd20$d203a8c0@diablo>
References: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz><200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz>	<437B76C9.2060309@centrum.cz>
	<ops0cmaltbn6qjls@daman> <007401c5eaf7$318ccd20$d203a8c0@diablo>
Message-ID: <437BAAB9.6020200@centrum.cz>

hmmm ... no ten vypada velice pekne ten programek .. .ale .... ja nevim, 
jesi chces zistit jesi bude na sebe videt ronja tak.. :( ... nevim 
nevim, pochybuju ze na nake mape je kazdy strom ... to uz je lepsi si na 
ten barak vylezt a otevrit oci :) ....

Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a):

>Ahoj lidi.
>
>Nevite o nejake mape pro PC, ktera by mela vrstevnice (vysky).
>Kde bych si mohl zadat bod A a bod B a ono mi to ukazalo jestli mezi temi 
>body je vona zona? Jestli se ty body videj?
>Idealne neco freeware.
>
>Nasel jsem na netu peknej programek, ale 30litru, abych se do toho dvakrat 
>podival, je moooc.
>Nasel jsem: http://www.mmc.cz/mmc_web_cz/Products/Magis_Professional.aspx
>
>
>Diky za nfo.
>
>Cau Jarda. 
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Ronja mailing list
>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>
>
>
>  
>



From mixaj at mymail.cz  Wed Nov 16 22:12:50 2005
From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:12:50 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama
References: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz><200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz>	<437B76C9.2060309@centrum.cz><ops0cmaltbn6qjls@daman>
	<007401c5eaf7$318ccd20$d203a8c0@diablo>
	<437BAAB9.6020200@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <007901c5eafa$e2c23870$d203a8c0@diablo>

Ne RONJA, ale WIFI na 20Km :))

Proto se to taky jmenuje OT - offtopick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jakub Michn?k" <jakub.michnik at centrum.cz>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama


> hmmm ... no ten vypada velice pekne ten programek .. .ale .... ja nevim,
> jesi chces zistit jesi bude na sebe videt ronja tak.. :( ... nevim
> nevim, pochybuju ze na nake mape je kazdy strom ... to uz je lepsi si na
> ten barak vylezt a otevrit oci :) ....
>
> Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a):
>
>>Ahoj lidi.
>>
>>Nevite o nejake mape pro PC, ktera by mela vrstevnice (vysky).
>>Kde bych si mohl zadat bod A a bod B a ono mi to ukazalo jestli mezi temi
>>body je vona zona? Jestli se ty body videj?
>>Idealne neco freeware.
>>
>>Nasel jsem na netu peknej programek, ale 30litru, abych se do toho dvakrat
>>podival, je moooc.
>>Nasel jsem: http://www.mmc.cz/mmc_web_cz/Products/Magis_Professional.aspx
>>
>>
>>Diky za nfo.
>>
>>Cau Jarda.
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja 



From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz  Wed Nov 16 22:15:07 2005
From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:15:07 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama
In-Reply-To: <007901c5eafa$e2c23870$d203a8c0@diablo>
References: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz><200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz>	<437B76C9.2060309@centrum.cz><ops0cmaltbn6qjls@daman>	<007401c5eaf7$318ccd20$d203a8c0@diablo>	<437BAAB9.6020200@centrum.cz>
	<007901c5eafa$e2c23870$d203a8c0@diablo>
Message-ID: <437BAF6B.3050009@centrum.cz>

20km ? to tim zarenim ten kopec zlikvidujes jesi tam naky v ceste bude :P

Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a):

>Ne RONJA, ale WIFI na 20Km :))
>
>Proto se to taky jmenuje OT - offtopick
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jakub Michn?k" <jakub.michnik at centrum.cz>
>To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama
>
>
>  
>
>>hmmm ... no ten vypada velice pekne ten programek .. .ale .... ja nevim,
>>jesi chces zistit jesi bude na sebe videt ronja tak.. :( ... nevim
>>nevim, pochybuju ze na nake mape je kazdy strom ... to uz je lepsi si na
>>ten barak vylezt a otevrit oci :) ....
>>
>>Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a):
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Ahoj lidi.
>>>
>>>Nevite o nejake mape pro PC, ktera by mela vrstevnice (vysky).
>>>Kde bych si mohl zadat bod A a bod B a ono mi to ukazalo jestli mezi temi
>>>body je vona zona? Jestli se ty body videj?
>>>Idealne neco freeware.
>>>
>>>Nasel jsem na netu peknej programek, ale 30litru, abych se do toho dvakrat
>>>podival, je moooc.
>>>Nasel jsem: http://www.mmc.cz/mmc_web_cz/Products/Magis_Professional.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>Diky za nfo.
>>>
>>>Cau Jarda.
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja 
>>    
>>
>
>
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>
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>  
>



From mixaj at mymail.cz  Wed Nov 16 22:25:23 2005
From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:25:23 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama
References: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz><200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz>	<437B76C9.2060309@centrum.cz><ops0cmaltbn6qjls@daman>	<007401c5eaf7$318ccd20$d203a8c0@diablo>	<437BAAB9.6020200@centrum.cz><007901c5eafa$e2c23870$d203a8c0@diablo>
	<437BAF6B.3050009@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <008a01c5eafc$a3d06950$d203a8c0@diablo>

LOL

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jakub Michn?k" <jakub.michnik at centrum.cz>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama


> 20km ? to tim zarenim ten kopec zlikvidujes jesi tam naky v ceste bude :P
>
> Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a):
>
>>Ne RONJA, ale WIFI na 20Km :))
>>
>>Proto se to taky jmenuje OT - offtopick
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Jakub Michn?k" <jakub.michnik at centrum.cz>
>>To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>hmmm ... no ten vypada velice pekne ten programek .. .ale .... ja nevim,
>>>jesi chces zistit jesi bude na sebe videt ronja tak.. :( ... nevim
>>>nevim, pochybuju ze na nake mape je kazdy strom ... to uz je lepsi si na
>>>ten barak vylezt a otevrit oci :) ....
>>>
>>>Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ahoj lidi.
>>>>
>>>>Nevite o nejake mape pro PC, ktera by mela vrstevnice (vysky).
>>>>Kde bych si mohl zadat bod A a bod B a ono mi to ukazalo jestli mezi 
>>>>temi
>>>>body je vona zona? Jestli se ty body videj?
>>>>Idealne neco freeware.
>>>>
>>>>Nasel jsem na netu peknej programek, ale 30litru, abych se do toho 
>>>>dvakrat
>>>>podival, je moooc.
>>>>Nasel jsem: 
>>>>http://www.mmc.cz/mmc_web_cz/Products/Magis_Professional.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Diky za nfo.
>>>>
>>>>Cau Jarda.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From pavkriz at gybon.cz  Thu Nov 17 11:00:28 2005
From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:00:28 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama
In-Reply-To: <007401c5eaf7$318ccd20$d203a8c0@diablo>
References: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz><200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz>	<437B76C9.2060309@centrum.cz>
	<ops0cmaltbn6qjls@daman> <007401c5eaf7$318ccd20$d203a8c0@diablo>
Message-ID: <437C62CC.9060003@gybon.cz>

Pro zamereni radia je nejlepsi zkouknout trasu kombinaci 
dalekohled+stroboskop - osvedceny zpusob.

Vyskova mapa CR existuje a data jsou myslim volne k dispozici (netusim 
kde ani netusim v jakem formatu) - pouziva je myslim napr. 3D mapa 
czfree-netu co psali nejaci kluci jako semestralku na fel.cvut.cz - 
aspon tak mi to bylo receno. Tak zkus patrat touto cestou (bud to nekde 
budou psat nebo je zkontaktuj) - ale myslim ze pro tvuj ucel to proste 
neni spravne reseni - ona ta mapa nema valne rozliseni a hlavne z praxe 
vim ze zasadni prekazky jsou predevsim lesy, haje, baraky,... ty tam 
nebudou.

Pavel hkfree.org

Jaroslav Mixa wrote:
> Ahoj lidi.
> 
> Nevite o nejake mape pro PC, ktera by mela vrstevnice (vysky).
> Kde bych si mohl zadat bod A a bod B a ono mi to ukazalo jestli mezi temi 
> body je vona zona? Jestli se ty body videj?
> Idealne neco freeware.
> 
> Nasel jsem na netu peknej programek, ale 30litru, abych se do toho dvakrat 
> podival, je moooc.
> Nasel jsem: http://www.mmc.cz/mmc_web_cz/Products/Magis_Professional.aspx
> 
> 
> Diky za nfo.
> 
> Cau Jarda. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 


From clock at twibright.com  Thu Nov 17 11:01:21 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:01:21 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <001001c5eaa5$5b184db0$9664000a@max>
References: <000601c5e86d$b06c6420$9664000a@max>
	<20051116100442.GA30643@kestrel>
	<001001c5eaa5$5b184db0$9664000a@max>
Message-ID: <20051117110121.GA29343@kestrel>

On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Max wrote:
> Ahoj no jsem trotl :) nevim jak jsem to meril poprvy kdyz jsem nameril 5V 
> napajeni podruhe uz to bylo 8 V a jak rikas otoceny stabilizator :) ostuda 
> o:( Zda se ze vse prezilo na obou deskach zda se ze ty svaby jen tak neco 
> nerozhodi. Jinak mas nejake zkusenosti ohledne zivotnosti TX led F4000 s 
> R11 6.8 misto 8.2 R ? Ja to mam snizene pac jsem to planoval pres 1 km ale 
> ted to jede asi na 600m, nechce se mi to uz rozebirat vubec ne ted kdyz je 
> zima :) MaX 

Please file a trac ticket to include test for turned around regulator in
Twister building guide / correctness check.

CL<


From mixaj at mymail.cz  Thu Nov 17 12:13:04 2005
From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:13:04 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama
References: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz><200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz>	<437B76C9.2060309@centrum.cz><ops0cmaltbn6qjls@daman>
	<007401c5eaf7$318ccd20$d203a8c0@diablo> <437C62CC.9060003@gybon.cz>
Message-ID: <001c01c5eb70$44009300$d203a8c0@diablo>

OK dik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pavel Kriz" <pavkriz at gybon.cz>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama


> Pro zamereni radia je nejlepsi zkouknout trasu kombinaci
> dalekohled+stroboskop - osvedceny zpusob.
>
> Vyskova mapa CR existuje a data jsou myslim volne k dispozici (netusim
> kde ani netusim v jakem formatu) - pouziva je myslim napr. 3D mapa
> czfree-netu co psali nejaci kluci jako semestralku na fel.cvut.cz -
> aspon tak mi to bylo receno. Tak zkus patrat touto cestou (bud to nekde
> budou psat nebo je zkontaktuj) - ale myslim ze pro tvuj ucel to proste
> neni spravne reseni - ona ta mapa nema valne rozliseni a hlavne z praxe
> vim ze zasadni prekazky jsou predevsim lesy, haje, baraky,... ty tam
> nebudou.
>
> Pavel hkfree.org
>
> Jaroslav Mixa wrote:
>> Ahoj lidi.
>>
>> Nevite o nejake mape pro PC, ktera by mela vrstevnice (vysky).
>> Kde bych si mohl zadat bod A a bod B a ono mi to ukazalo jestli mezi temi
>> body je vona zona? Jestli se ty body videj?
>> Idealne neco freeware.
>>
>> Nasel jsem na netu peknej programek, ale 30litru, abych se do toho 
>> dvakrat
>> podival, je moooc.
>> Nasel jsem: http://www.mmc.cz/mmc_web_cz/Products/Magis_Professional.aspx
>>
>>
>> Diky za nfo.
>>
>> Cau Jarda.
>>
>>
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From anmic at fmg.sk  Thu Nov 17 09:04:02 2005
From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:04:02 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] napajeni Ronji po signalovem vodici koaxu
References: <000501c5e77d$3b9fbde0$0101a8c0@anmic> <opsz4n7nnrn6qjls@daman>
	<003e01c5e947$abe72810$0101a8c0@anmic>
Message-ID: <000001c5ebaa$da2b84e0$0101a8c0@anmic>

Mohu provest tuto nahradu? viz. fragment schematu v predchozim mailu
- 220uH/0.55A nahradit radialni Fastron z GME 330uH/0.5A ?

Jake tlumivky mam dat na misto 47uH/1,19A? Bezne motane na ferit. jadre?

Dekuji, anMic

> > Jak na to mas ve schematu spidera na
> > http://bleesmrt.hopto.org/~ladmanj/spider/
> >
>
> Vykuchal jsem to z toho schematu (v priloze). Muze to tak byt?
> Jak mam upravit zapojeni modulu rx a prip. tx?
>
> Dekuji,
> anMic
>
>
> > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:34:44 +0100, anMic <anmic at fmg.sk> wrote:
> >
> > > Dobry den,
> > >
> > > mrzi me, ze tu opet oteviram tema "ruseni" - tema, co se tu dost
> > > probiralo
> > > nekolik mesicu zpet.
> > > Moje Ronja zpusobuje sousedum ruseni pri prijmu tv nova, na obraze se
> > > objevuji pruhy. (Jejich smerova antena je otocena +- prave proti
Ronji,
> > > takze se to asi projevuje dost. Naopak u nas je to temer zanedbatelne,
> > > protoze nase antena je nasmerovana prave na opacnou stranu od ronji.)
> > >
> > > Myslim, ze by mi mohlo pomoci privest napajeni po signalovem vodici
> > > koaxu,
> > > ktery by tak byl odstineny. Vim, ze nekdo uz tady na maillistu tu
> moznost
> > > zminil. Muzete mi poradit, jak toto realizovat, aby se strednim
vodicem
> > > k rx
> > > mohlo krome vlastniho signalu vest i napajeci napeti +12? Nejaka
> > > frekvencni
> > > odbocka?
> > >
> > > Dekuji,
> > > anMic
> > >
> > >
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> > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
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> >
> >
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From seligr at sh.cvut.cz  Fri Nov 18 07:28:35 2005
From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:28:35 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] OT - Mapa CR s vyskama
In-Reply-To: <437C62CC.9060003@gybon.cz>
References: <200511132304.17874@centrum.cz><200511161907.55813.ladmanj@volny.cz>
	<437B76C9.2060309@centrum.cz> <ops0cmaltbn6qjls@daman>
	<007401c5eaf7$318ccd20$d203a8c0@diablo> <437C62CC.9060003@gybon.cz>
Message-ID: <1132298915.437d82a32859d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>

Mam takovou mapu jako .png v rozliseni 5401 x 3199pixelu, vyska je dana barvou
bodu. Jestli ma nekdo zajem, tak mu to muzu poslat - ma cca 2,5MB.

Petr

> 
> Vyskova mapa CR existuje a data jsou myslim volne k dispozici (netusim 
> kde ani netusim v jakem formatu) - pouziva je myslim napr. 3D mapa 
> czfree-netu co psali nejaci kluci jako semestralku na fel.cvut.cz - 
> aspon tak mi to bylo receno. Tak zkus patrat touto cestou (bud to nekde 
> budou psat nebo je zkontaktuj) - ale myslim ze pro tvuj ucel to proste 
> neni spravne reseni - ona ta mapa nema valne rozliseni a hlavne z praxe 
> vim ze zasadni prekazky jsou predevsim lesy, haje, baraky,... ty tam 
> nebudou.
> 
> Pavel hkfree.org
> 
> Jaroslav Mixa wrote:
> > Ahoj lidi.
> > 
> > Nevite o nejake mape pro PC, ktera by mela vrstevnice (vysky).
> > Kde bych si mohl zadat bod A a bod B a ono mi to ukazalo jestli mezi temi
> 
> > body je vona zona? Jestli se ty body videj?
> > Idealne neco freeware.
> > 
> > Nasel jsem na netu peknej programek, ale 30litru, abych se do toho dvakrat
> 
> > podival, je moooc.
> > Nasel jsem: http://www.mmc.cz/mmc_web_cz/Products/Magis_Professional.aspx
> > 
> > 
> > Diky za nfo.
> > 
> > Cau Jarda. 



From clock at twibright.com  Fri Nov 18 09:54:59 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:54:59 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] hi tell me details about electronic
In-Reply-To: <353aafeb0511172326t4e5c1d5dm95ddf4bbcf3df758@mail.gmail.com>
References: <353aafeb0511172326t4e5c1d5dm95ddf4bbcf3df758@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051118095459.GA3720@kestrel>

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 12:56:43PM +0530, vipul kalia wrote:
> karel well in my project report i have write technical detial such how does
> circuit works .

Ask concrete questions please. I don't have idea what's not obvious and
what is. For me, everything is obvious in Ronja.

> well i am talking electronic theorey used in circuit
> circuit design . etc

I never attended any lectures on electronic theory so I unfortunately
have no idea how such a description should formally look like.

>  please write to
>  you gave a very good presatition in london i heard.ogg file

Thanks

CL<
> well more people know about ronja more good it is
>   well thank
>  waiting for reply
>  vipul kalia


From clock at twibright.com  Fri Nov 18 15:08:27 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:08:27 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] website feedback
In-Reply-To: <200511111606.jABG6Ji07201@tahoua.ockers.net>
References: <200511111606.jABG6Ji07201@tahoua.ockers.net>
Message-ID: <20051118150827.GA4746@kestrel>

On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:06:19AM -0700, Jim Ockers wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I tried to look at your website and gave up.  It would be a more
> useful website if you would:
> 
> 1. get rid of the stupid background graphics.

I want to have the logo in background. Yuri d'Elia made it for me
and I like it and I don't want his work to be wasted. I don't see any
other suitable place where to put it except the background.

> 
> 2. if you must change the colors from HTML or web browser default,
> consider black text on a grey background.

I don't like black text on grey background. I think it would be a
suitable combination for a funeral house or retirements homes, but
not for a website like this.

> 
> 3. put the information on fewer pages. I know how to use a mouse
> and click on links but it would be much more useful if you would
> aggregate the information into one page.  I know how to use scroll
> bars.  For example, this is dumb:
> 
> Ronja AUI Forte
> 
>     * About
>     * Technical Specification
>     * Tools needed
>     * Material needed
>     * Fundamentals of manufacturing operations
>     * Building 
> 
> You have each topic as a different link, and I have to click on
> dozens of links just to try to find where to look.  It's much
> faster if I can scroll down a page and scan quickly with my eyes.
> How about putting all of that stuff on one page in sections and
> you can use section links to provide the table of contents?

I don't understand what "topic" and "section" refers to. I won't mix
together material and building because building is already excessively
huge. Lucas is currently trying to put all the modules on a single page
which I consider a good idea. But I don't know if it's going to be
finished because he says it's a lot of boring work.

CL<
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim
> 
> -- 
> Jim Ockers, P.Eng. (ockers at ockers.net)
> Contact info: please see http://www.ockers.net/


From xpowersa at seznam.cz  Sat Nov 19 13:15:05 2005
From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:15:05 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni TP trafa
Message-ID: <437F2559.30002@seznam.cz>

Cus, tak sem se rozhodl ze vyzkousim TP trafo, nemohli byste mi pls 
nekdo poslat jak se to ma spravne zapojit ??? mam trafko 20F001N, diky moc.


From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Sat Nov 19 15:15:13 2005
From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:15:13 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] sundance driver, 4-port dlink card
Message-ID: <20051119151512.GA1718@localhost.localdomain>

Hello

I met problem with 4-port dlink card (sundance driver) in Linux.
I used mii-tool (and similar tools - mii-diag, ethertool) to set
it to full-duplex mode, card appeared to be in full-duplex mode,
but in reality it worked in half-duplex mode.

There is a workaround - insert kernel module with these arguments:

sundance media=10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd

after that, card is working in full-duplex mode.
(mii-tool is not necessary)

CZECH TRANSLATION:

Ahoj

Mel jsem problem s 4-portovou dlink kartou (driver sundance) pod Linuxem.
Nesla prepnout (pomoci mii-tool) do full-duplex rezimu. Tvarila se, ze v nem
je, ale ve skutecnosti jela v half-duplex rezimu.

Obejit se to da vlozenim modulu s temito argumenty:

sundance media=10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd

Pak karta pracuje ve full-duplex rezimu.
(neni treba mii-tool)

-- 
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo

Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at mail.cz, jabber: santiago at njs.netlab.cz)
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From cd930 at centrum.cz  Sat Nov 19 17:05:29 2005
From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:05:29 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni TP trafa
Message-ID: <200511191805.30419@centrum.cz>

http://www.qsl.net/ok0bez/files/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Ronja_TP/20f001n.pdf

______________________________________________________________
> Od: xpowersa at seznam.cz
> Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> CC: 
> Datum: 19.11.2005 14:15
> P?edm?t: [Ronja] Zapojeni TP trafa
>
> Cus, tak sem se rozhodl ze vyzkousim TP trafo, nemohli byste mi pls 
> nekdo poslat jak se to ma spravne zapojit ??? mam trafko 20F001N, diky
> moc.
> 
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> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
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HTML p??loha byla odstran?na...
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From clock at twibright.com  Sat Nov 19 19:59:15 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:59:15 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] sundance driver, 4-port dlink card
In-Reply-To: <20051119151512.GA1718@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051119151512.GA1718@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051119195915.GA3951@kestrel>

On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 04:15:13PM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I met problem with 4-port dlink card (sundance driver) in Linux.
> I used mii-tool (and similar tools - mii-diag, ethertool) to set
> it to full-duplex mode, card appeared to be in full-duplex mode,
> but in reality it worked in half-duplex mode.

Looks like bad driver, I had this experience with 3c900 or similar
card.

CL<
> 
> There is a workaround - insert kernel module with these arguments:
> 
> sundance media=10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd
> 
> after that, card is working in full-duplex mode.
> (mii-tool is not necessary)
> 
> CZECH TRANSLATION:
> 
> Ahoj
> 
> Mel jsem problem s 4-portovou dlink kartou (driver sundance) pod Linuxem.
> Nesla prepnout (pomoci mii-tool) do full-duplex rezimu. Tvarila se, ze v nem
> je, ale ve skutecnosti jela v half-duplex rezimu.
> 
> Obejit se to da vlozenim modulu s temito argumenty:
> 
> sundance media=10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd,10mbps_fd
> 
> Pak karta pracuje ve full-duplex rezimu.
> (neni treba mii-tool)
> 
> -- 
> Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
> 
> Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at mail.cz, jabber: santiago at njs.netlab.cz)
> OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net)
> "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."
> 
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From cuk at cuk.nu  Sun Nov 20 22:29:05 2005
From: cuk at cuk.nu (Marko Cuk)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:29:05 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Fog, snow, ...
In-Reply-To: <437F2559.30002@seznam.cz>
References: <437F2559.30002@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4380F8B1.7000000@cuk.nu>

I'll post one stupid question, but I'd like to hear answers based on 
experiences, not math calculations.

If I have PtP Ronja link with 130mm lenses, 1km, 10mbit... And the fog 
is getting very intense... when does Ronja drop link ? For example, if 
the Ronja is on building and I cannot see lights anymore inside that 
building... but maybe still see Ronja light,  will it work, or ?
Sure, wireless backup is  necessary, but  anyway...

Tnx, Marko


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From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz  Mon Nov 21 22:45:49 2005
From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:45:49 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Vicka na trubky
Message-ID: <43824E1D.3070102@centrum.cz>

Chci se zeptat kde jdou sehnat vicka na plastove trubky. nebo spis jak 
se jmenujou. memam na mysli kourove vicka, ani ty ucpavky na odpadni 
trubky (maji takovy lem kolm dokola) ale vicko, ktere je taky oranzove, 
jenom nema takovy ten lem .... mam pocit ze nedavno tu byl na odkaz na 
obrazek na kterem byly, jenom ten nevim kde :(.... pokud vite co myslim, 
dejte pls vedet jak se mu rika, nebo presny typ, nazev, kde se da 
sehnat... cokoli o nem.

diky moc


From cuk at cuk.nu  Mon Nov 21 22:54:57 2005
From: cuk at cuk.nu (Marko Cuk)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:54:57 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Fog, snow, ...
In-Reply-To: <4380F8B1.7000000@cuk.nu>
References: <437F2559.30002@seznam.cz> <4380F8B1.7000000@cuk.nu>
Message-ID: <43825041.50702@cuk.nu>

Resend... plase, can anyone comment this...


Marko Cuk wrote:

>I'll post one stupid question, but I'd like to hear answers based on 
>experiences, not math calculations.
>
>If I have PtP Ronja link with 130mm lenses, 1km, 10mbit... And the fog 
>is getting very intense... when does Ronja drop link ? For example, if 
>the Ronja is on building and I cannot see lights anymore inside that 
>building... but maybe still see Ronja light,  will it work, or ?
>Sure, wireless backup is  necessary, but  anyway...
>
>Tnx, Marko
>
>
>  
>

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From kendy at hkfree.org  Mon Nov 21 23:52:49 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:52:49 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Vicka na trubky
In-Reply-To: <43824E1D.3070102@centrum.cz>
References: <43824E1D.3070102@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <43825DD1.1040907@hkfree.org>

Asi mas namysli tyto ze : 
http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/melnik/P1010037.jpg
??

Tak ty se daji koupit normalne v trikeru. www.triker.cz je to 
velkoobchod mj. s odpadnima rourama Pravidelne je tam kupuji, vzdy mi je 
do druheho dne pripravi.

--
Kendy
HKfree

Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):

> Chci se zeptat kde jdou sehnat vicka na plastove trubky. nebo spis jak 
> se jmenujou. memam na mysli kourove vicka, ani ty ucpavky na odpadni 
> trubky (maji takovy lem kolm dokola) ale vicko, ktere je taky oranzove, 
> jenom nema takovy ten lem .... mam pocit ze nedavno tu byl na odkaz na 
> obrazek na kterem byly, jenom ten nevim kde :(.... pokud vite co myslim, 
> dejte pls vedet jak se mu rika, nebo presny typ, nazev, kde se da 
> sehnat... cokoli o nem.
> 
> diky moc
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 


From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz  Tue Nov 22 10:29:48 2005
From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:29:48 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Vicka na trubky
In-Reply-To: <43825DD1.1040907@hkfree.org>
References: <43824E1D.3070102@centrum.cz> <43825DD1.1040907@hkfree.org>
Message-ID: <4382F31C.6030200@centrum.cz>

jj, presne tohle,diky. divam se na ten cenik, maji tam KGM zatka (to je 
s tim lemem), tak predpokladam ze to bez toho lemu bude asi KGK vicko 
ze?... neni tam totiz obrazek

nevite nekdo jesi to maji v hornbachu, bauhauzu atp. ?

Kendy napsal(a):

>Asi mas namysli tyto ze : 
>http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/melnik/P1010037.jpg
>??
>
>Tak ty se daji koupit normalne v trikeru. www.triker.cz je to 
>velkoobchod mj. s odpadnima rourama Pravidelne je tam kupuji, vzdy mi je 
>do druheho dne pripravi.
>
>--
>Kendy
>HKfree
>
>Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
>
>  
>
>>Chci se zeptat kde jdou sehnat vicka na plastove trubky. nebo spis jak 
>>se jmenujou. memam na mysli kourove vicka, ani ty ucpavky na odpadni 
>>trubky (maji takovy lem kolm dokola) ale vicko, ktere je taky oranzove, 
>>jenom nema takovy ten lem .... mam pocit ze nedavno tu byl na odkaz na 
>>obrazek na kterem byly, jenom ten nevim kde :(.... pokud vite co myslim, 
>>dejte pls vedet jak se mu rika, nebo presny typ, nazev, kde se da 
>>sehnat... cokoli o nem.
>>
>>diky moc
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>
>>    
>>
>
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>
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From clock at twibright.com  Tue Nov 22 10:38:02 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:38:02 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Fog, snow, ...
In-Reply-To: <4380F8B1.7000000@cuk.nu>
References: <437F2559.30002@seznam.cz> <4380F8B1.7000000@cuk.nu>
Message-ID: <20051122103802.GC15647@kestrel>

On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 11:29:05PM +0100, Marko Cuk wrote:
> I'll post one stupid question, but I'd like to hear answers based on 
> experiences, not math calculations.
> 
> If I have PtP Ronja link with 130mm lenses, 1km, 10mbit... And the fog 
> is getting very intense... when does Ronja drop link ? For example, if 

About when you stop seeing the light I think.

> the Ronja is on building and I cannot see lights anymore inside that 
> building... but maybe still see Ronja light,  will it work, or ?

Depends on if the fog is in the night or in the day. In the night
you see longer because the picture is not masked by white lighting.

CL<
> Sure, wireless backup is  necessary, but  anyway...
> 
> Tnx, Marko
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
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From cuk at cuk.nu  Tue Nov 22 12:25:38 2005
From: cuk at cuk.nu (Marko Cuk)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:25:38 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Fog, snow, ...
In-Reply-To: <20051122103802.GC15647@kestrel>
References: <437F2559.30002@seznam.cz> <4380F8B1.7000000@cuk.nu>
	<20051122103802.GC15647@kestrel>
Message-ID: <43830E42.5060401@cuk.nu>

That means, that when I see the light via eye, the link should work ?

Because last night was fog so intense, that I didn't see traffic 
semaphore and it is only 300m away...



Karel Kulhavy wrote:

>On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 11:29:05PM +0100, Marko Cuk wrote:
>  
>
>>I'll post one stupid question, but I'd like to hear answers based on 
>>experiences, not math calculations.
>>
>>If I have PtP Ronja link with 130mm lenses, 1km, 10mbit... And the fog 
>>is getting very intense... when does Ronja drop link ? For example, if 
>>    
>>
>
>About when you stop seeing the light I think.
>
>  
>
>>the Ronja is on building and I cannot see lights anymore inside that 
>>building... but maybe still see Ronja light,  will it work, or ?
>>    
>>
>
>Depends on if the fog is in the night or in the day. In the night
>you see longer because the picture is not masked by white lighting.
>
>CL<
>  
>
>>Sure, wireless backup is  necessary, but  anyway...
>>
>>Tnx, Marko
>>
>>
>>-- 
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>>Private: http://cuk.nu
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From m.malusek at seznam.cz  Tue Nov 22 13:35:59 2005
From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:35:59 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Vicka na trubky
References: <43824E1D.3070102@centrum.cz> <43825DD1.1040907@hkfree.org>
	<4382F31C.6030200@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <002101c5ef69$acd2d530$0103450a@thechosen>

jj vicko je to co mam na te fotce na ronjidle {rve se to vne roury}, zatka
alias hrdlovy uzaver je to co se rve dovnitr.

Glo

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jakub Michn?k" <jakub.michnik at centrum.cz>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vicka na trubky


jj, presne tohle,diky. divam se na ten cenik, maji tam KGM zatka (to je
s tim lemem), tak predpokladam ze to bez toho lemu bude asi KGK vicko
ze?... neni tam totiz obrazek

nevite nekdo jesi to maji v hornbachu, bauhauzu atp. ?

Kendy napsal(a):

>Asi mas namysli tyto ze :
>http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/melnik/P101003
7.jpg
>??
>
>Tak ty se daji koupit normalne v trikeru. www.triker.cz je to
>velkoobchod mj. s odpadnima rourama Pravidelne je tam kupuji, vzdy mi je
>do druheho dne pripravi.
>
>--
>Kendy
>HKfree
>
>Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
>
>
>
>>Chci se zeptat kde jdou sehnat vicka na plastove trubky. nebo spis jak
>>se jmenujou. memam na mysli kourove vicka, ani ty ucpavky na odpadni
>>trubky (maji takovy lem kolm dokola) ale vicko, ktere je taky oranzove,
>>jenom nema takovy ten lem .... mam pocit ze nedavno tu byl na odkaz na
>>obrazek na kterem byly, jenom ten nevim kde :(.... pokud vite co myslim,
>>dejte pls vedet jak se mu rika, nebo presny typ, nazev, kde se da
>>sehnat... cokoli o nem.
>>
>>diky moc
>>
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From caffr at seznam.cz  Tue Nov 22 15:24:54 2005
From: caffr at seznam.cz (caffr)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:24:54 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Ronja] Fog, snow, ...
Message-ID: <2291.1084-1937-2001173812-1132673094@seznam.cz>

Marko Cuk wrote:

>That means, that when I see the light via eye, the link should work ?
>
No, even if I see the red light at the opposite side and there is some fog the link is usually down.
So if you see the red light it doesnt mean that Ronja will work, but if you can't see it it is obvious that Ronja will not work :)

Fog is the biggest problem for Ronja, but I have experienced no dropouts when there was snow or even heavy rain.

caffr


From xpowersa at seznam.cz  Thu Nov 24 16:02:52 2005
From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:02:52 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni TP trafa
In-Reply-To: <200511191805.30419@centrum.cz>
References: <200511191805.30419@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <4385E42C.2020402@seznam.cz>

tak podle toho sem toho teda moc nepochopil :),ale zkousel sem to 
zapojit podle jineho schematu

http://www.hw-group.com/products/charon2/images/ch2_eth_connection_separate.png

a taky me to nejak nefunguje zcela korektne:( nevim jestli to chapu 
dobre to schema, nejak mi neni jasne to znaceni GND a GNDA ??
ze sitovky sem to vyrezal a nechal sem tam ty 1nF/2kV kondiky + ten 
prostredni 10nF (ten je v SMD, doufam ze je to on, ale snad jo:) ). a ty 
10nF sem pripajel k tem pinum 2 a 5, a vsecko sem uzemnil na twistra.
s kratkym kabelem to vypada ze to jakz takz chodi, ale i tak na Loopback 
se sem tam nejaky paket neukaze 2x.
S delsim kabelem, cca 5-6 metru pokud twistra najumpruju na LoopBack, 
jede stejne jako s tim kratkym kabelem, jenze uz pokud to dam zpatky do 
PC modu, tak a spojim Rx a Tx tak uz to vubec twistrem neprojde, a ani 
neprobliknou ledky.. kdezto s kratkym UTP to normalne prochazi, i kdyz 
ne na 100%.
nekdo nejake napady ?? byl bych velice vdecny. :)

> http://www.qsl.net/ok0bez/files/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Ronja_TP/20f001n.pdf
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> > Od: xpowersa at seznam.cz
> > Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > CC:
> > Datum: 19.11.2005 14:15
> > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Zapojeni TP trafa
> >
> > Cus, tak sem se rozhodl ze vyzkousim TP trafo, nemohli byste mi pls
> > nekdo poslat jak se to ma spravne zapojit ??? mam trafko 20F001N, diky
> > moc.
> >
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From quintusmurray at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 24 19:39:39 2005
From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:39:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1132747201.11252.ronja@lists.pointless.net>
Message-ID: <20051124193939.61656.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi this is quintus murray and I would like to know if you are even working on the 100Mbps Ronja? If not when will you realease or plan to launch a 1Gbps model? will you come out with a portable version at least?   
   
  will you please tell me the limiting components that prevent Ronja from exceeding 10Mbps speed? what makes the speed 10 Mbps?

		
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From lucasvo at gmx.ch  Thu Nov 24 20:54:35 2005
From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:54:35 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <20051124193939.61656.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051124193939.61656.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1132865675.11478.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi Quitnus


 On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 11:39 -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> 
> Hi this is quintus murray and I would like to know if you are even
> working on the 100Mbps Ronja? If not when will you realease or plan to
a) development costs money
b) 10Mbit is even buggy
so you will have to wait a bit...
>  launch a 1Gbps model? will you come out with a portable version at
1gpbs requires laser and we first have to experiment wiht laser before
we can even think about 1Gpbs
>  least?   
Why should it be portable? You would have to adjust on both sides very
fine and it shouldn't move so you can't just stick it on your backpack.
>  
> will you please tell me the limiting components that prevent Ronja
> from exceeding 10Mbps speed? what makes the speed 10 Mbps?
Almost everything, LED, Development Software :D, Transistors, ICs....

lucas

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From asteri_x at freemail.hu  Fri Nov 25 10:46:36 2005
From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (Martin)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:46:36 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <1132865675.11478.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051124193939.61656.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1132865675.11478.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4386EB8C.8080107@freemail.hu>

> Hi Quitnus
> 
> 
>  On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 11:39 -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> 
>>Hi this is quintus murray and I would like to know if you are even
>>working on the 100Mbps Ronja? If not when will you realease or plan to

Hi!
I'm working on a 100Mbps laserlink, and it is quite hard to develop it
without good equipment at home.
I think a release will be in august or december 2006.
But if you are impatient, look at:
www.laserlink.ru
There is a lot of stuff.

> a) development costs money

That's correct !
It's not easy even to make prototype PCB-s with VHF quality, not
mentioned 1GHz domain.

>> launch a 1Gbps model? will you come out with a portable version at
> 
> Why should it be portable? You would have to adjust on both sides very
> fine and it shouldn't move so you can't just stick it on your backpack.

Hehe. lol!
What about self-alignment ?
New project? :)

Bye,
Martin



From archaopttrx at arcor.de  Fri Nov 25 11:57:51 2005
From: archaopttrx at arcor.de (Daniel Berger)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:57:51 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <4386EB8C.8080107@freemail.hu>
References: <20051124193939.61656.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>	<1132865675.11478.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4386EB8C.8080107@freemail.hu>
Message-ID: <4386FC3F.9010404@arcor.de>

Martin schrieb:
> But if you are impatient, look at:
> www.laserlink.ru
> There is a lot of stuff.

No stuff at all.
Stuff is at http://www.lazerlink.ru/ with Zulu Z.

regards, Daniel.

-- 


From clock at twibright.com  Fri Nov 25 13:46:35 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:46:35 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <20051124193939.61656.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.1.1132747201.11252.ronja@lists.pointless.net>
	<20051124193939.61656.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051125134635.GC20093@kestrel>

On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 11:39:39AM -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> 
> Hi this is quintus murray and I would like to know if you are even
> working on the 100Mbps Ronja? If not when will you realease or plan to

I am not working on 100Mbps Ronja at the moment.

> launch a 1Gbps model? will you come out with a portable version at

I don't know when I release 1Gbps Ronja model. I don't plan it for
any particular date.

> least?   

I don't currently plan a portable version of 1Gbps Ronja.

>    
>   will you please tell me the limiting components that prevent Ronja
>   from exceeding 10Mbps speed? what makes the speed 10 Mbps?

There are no limiting components. What is limiting Ronja from exceeding
10Mbps speed is the design. Ronja was designed to have exactly 10Mbps
communication speed.

CL<


From p.deelman at hccnet.nl  Sat Nov 26 15:30:43 2005
From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (Patrick Deelman)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:30:43 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <20051124193939.61656.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051124193939.61656.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43887FA3.1080305@hccnet.nl>

Quintus Murray wrote:

>
> Hi this is quintus murray and I would like to know if you are even 
> working on the 100Mbps Ronja? If not when will you realease or plan to 
> launch a 1Gbps model? will you come out with a portable version at 
> least?  
>  
> will you please tell me the limiting components that prevent Ronja 
> from exceeding 10Mbps speed? what makes the speed 10 Mbps?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> <http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/>

Hi this is patrick and i would like to know when you are going to stop 
asking the same question over and over again, since you already got the 
same answer at least 5 times.

Get it into your head, there is no 100mbit and definitly no 1000mbit 
model. And forget about the portable ronja, that will never happen, 
unless someone develops an autosensing fast realiging laser setup.

How many times are your going to ask the same question over and over and 
over and over again ?

Patrick.


From clock at twibright.com  Sat Nov 26 21:16:01 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:16:01 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] For Offspring fans
Message-ID: <20051126211601.GA17299@kestrel>

The Worst Receiver Ever (parody of The Worst Hangover Ever by The
Offspring):
http://ronja.twibright.com/worst_receiver.html

And Offspring-style Ronja logo
http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/ronja_offspring_small.png

CL<


From lucasvo at gmx.ch  Sat Nov 26 21:57:23 2005
From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:57:23 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] For Offspring fans
In-Reply-To: <20051126211601.GA17299@kestrel>
References: <20051126211601.GA17299@kestrel>
Message-ID: <1133042244.8012.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 22:16 +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote:
> The Worst Receiver Ever (parody of The Worst Hangover Ever by The
> Offspring):
> http://ronja.twibright.com/worst_receiver.html
> 
> And Offspring-style Ronja logo
> http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/ronja_offspring_small.png
> 
> CL<

you are a freak!

:D
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From quintusmurray at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 27 00:03:13 2005
From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:03:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 26
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1132920001.10961.ronja@lists.pointless.net>
Message-ID: <20051127000313.27398.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>

maybe you can use sunlight to increase internet speed on ronja or use it to finish the 100mbits laserlink of course you can try fiber optic wiring or solar power. 

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2. Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25 (Quintus Murray)
3. Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25 (Lucas Vogelsang)
4. Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25 (Martin)
5. Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25 (Daniel Berger)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:02:52 +0100
From: Austin 
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zapojeni TP trafa
To: Twibright Ronja 
Message-ID: <4385E42C.2020402 at seznam.cz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed

tak podle toho sem toho teda moc nepochopil :),ale zkousel sem to 
zapojit podle jineho schematu

http://www.hw-group.com/products/charon2/images/ch2_eth_connection_separate.png

a taky me to nejak nefunguje zcela korektne:( nevim jestli to chapu 
dobre to schema, nejak mi neni jasne to znaceni GND a GNDA ??
ze sitovky sem to vyrezal a nechal sem tam ty 1nF/2kV kondiky + ten 
prostredni 10nF (ten je v SMD, doufam ze je to on, ale snad jo:) ). a ty 
10nF sem pripajel k tem pinum 2 a 5, a vsecko sem uzemnil na twistra.
s kratkym kabelem to vypada ze to jakz takz chodi, ale i tak na Loopback 
se sem tam nejaky paket neukaze 2x.
S delsim kabelem, cca 5-6 metru pokud twistra najumpruju na LoopBack, 
jede stejne jako s tim kratkym kabelem, jenze uz pokud to dam zpatky do 
PC modu, tak a spojim Rx a Tx tak uz to vubec twistrem neprojde, a ani 
neprobliknou ledky.. kdezto s kratkym UTP to normalne prochazi, i kdyz 
ne na 100%.
nekdo nejake napady ?? byl bych velice vdecny. :)

> http://www.qsl.net/ok0bez/files/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Ronja_TP/20f001n.pdf
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> > Od: xpowersa at seznam.cz
> > Komu: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> > CC:
> > Datum: 19.11.2005 14:15
> > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Zapojeni TP trafa
> >
> > Cus, tak sem se rozhodl ze vyzkousim TP trafo, nemohli byste mi pls
> > nekdo poslat jak se to ma spravne zapojit ??? mam trafko 20F001N, diky
> > moc.
> >
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> > Ronja mailing list
> > Ronja at lists.pointless.net
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:39:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Quintus Murray 
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25
To: ronja at lists.pointless.net
Message-ID: <20051124193939.61656.qmail at web53415.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


Hi this is quintus murray and I would like to know if you are even working on the 100Mbps Ronja? If not when will you realease or plan to launch a 1Gbps model? will you come out with a portable version at least? 

will you please tell me the limiting components that prevent Ronja from exceeding 10Mbps speed? what makes the speed 10 Mbps?


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Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:54:35 +0100
From: Lucas Vogelsang 
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25
To: Twibright Ronja 
Message-ID: <1132865675.11478.5.camel at localhost.localdomain>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Quitnus


On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 11:39 -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> 
> Hi this is quintus murray and I would like to know if you are even
> working on the 100Mbps Ronja? If not when will you realease or plan to
a) development costs money
b) 10Mbit is even buggy
so you will have to wait a bit...
> launch a 1Gbps model? will you come out with a portable version at
1gpbs requires laser and we first have to experiment wiht laser before
we can even think about 1Gpbs
> least? 
Why should it be portable? You would have to adjust on both sides very
fine and it shouldn't move so you can't just stick it on your backpack.
> 
> will you please tell me the limiting components that prevent Ronja
> from exceeding 10Mbps speed? what makes the speed 10 Mbps?
Almost everything, LED, Development Software :D, Transistors, ICs....

lucas

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:46:36 +0100
From: Martin 
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25
To: Twibright Ronja 
Message-ID: <4386EB8C.8080107 at freemail.hu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

> Hi Quitnus
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 11:39 -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> 
>>Hi this is quintus murray and I would like to know if you are even
>>working on the 100Mbps Ronja? If not when will you realease or plan to

Hi!
I'm working on a 100Mbps laserlink, and it is quite hard to develop it
without good equipment at home.
I think a release will be in august or december 2006.
But if you are impatient, look at:
www.laserlink.ru
There is a lot of stuff.

> a) development costs money

That's correct !
It's not easy even to make prototype PCB-s with VHF quality, not
mentioned 1GHz domain.

>> launch a 1Gbps model? will you come out with a portable version at
> 
> Why should it be portable? You would have to adjust on both sides very
> fine and it shouldn't move so you can't just stick it on your backpack.

Hehe. lol!
What about self-alignment ?
New project? :)

Bye,
Martin




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:57:51 +0100
From: Daniel Berger 
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25
To: Twibright Ronja 
Message-ID: <4386FC3F.9010404 at arcor.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Martin schrieb:
> But if you are impatient, look at:
> www.laserlink.ru
> There is a lot of stuff.

No stuff at all.
Stuff is at http://www.lazerlink.ru/ with Zulu Z.

regards, Daniel.

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From klapek at kki.net.pl  Sun Nov 27 08:49:21 2005
From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:49:21 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] For Offspring fans
In-Reply-To: <20051126211601.GA17299@kestrel>
References: <20051126211601.GA17299@kestrel>
Message-ID: <200511270949.21488.klapek@kki.net.pl>

On Saturday 26 of November 2005 22:16, Karel Kulhavy wrote:

> http://ronja.twibright.com/worst_receiver.html

Yeah, like:

La-La lalala, La-La lalala

I soldered it for the tenth time today
All the testpoints seem to be OK
When it blew up, 
I lost my nerve
I took an axe and waved farewell
(...)

Greetz,
Tomek Koprowski


From clock at twibright.com  Sun Nov 27 09:01:36 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:01:36 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Problem with Ronja
In-Reply-To: <20051126105539.GA4421@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051126105539.GA4421@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051127090136.GA18545@kestrel>

On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 11:55:39AM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I have a problem with Ronja - after several months of smooth operation one
> Ronja started to not working. Exactly TX  sometimes (for several hours) shines
> (and Ronja works), sometimes (another several hours) doesn't shine. I measured
> power supply voltage and it is about 9 V (during both situations). It is
> possible that this is source of problem? I am not sure, because almost
> whole TX is supplied by 5 V.

It should be supplied by 12V. Do you have weak power supply or too long
wires or why do you have 9V instead of 12?

Anyway Ronja seem to work on 880m track on 9V without packetloss. There
is probably a cold joint somewhere that got activated by thermal
cycling.

CL<


From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Sun Nov 27 09:58:46 2005
From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:58:46 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Problem with Ronja
In-Reply-To: <20051127090136.GA18545@kestrel>
References: <20051126105539.GA4421@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051127090136.GA18545@kestrel>
Message-ID: <20051127095846.GA3611@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 10:01:36AM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 11:55:39AM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > I have a problem with Ronja - after several months of smooth operation one
> > Ronja started to not working. Exactly TX  sometimes (for several hours) shines
> > (and Ronja works), sometimes (another several hours) doesn't shine. I measured
> > power supply voltage and it is about 9 V (during both situations). It is
> > possible that this is source of problem? I am not sure, because almost
> > whole TX is supplied by 5 V.
> 
> It should be supplied by 12V. Do you have weak power supply or too long
> wires or why do you have 9V instead of 12?

(I measured voltage level on Twister, so length of wires to RX/TX
is irrelevant.)

I don't know exactly - My power supply should be 12 V / 1 A regulated power
supply (one for 2 connected Ronjas). I suspect there is some problem with
Ronja that broken Ronja takes more power than 4 W. I don't have good
ampermeter to verify it, but if i connect good Ronja to power source, there is
voltage 11.5 V, if i connect broken Ronja to power source, there is voltage
about 10 V, if i connect both Ronjas, there is voltage about 9 V.

Anyway, i tried connect broken Ronja to computer power supply (which is hard
enough) and it didn't work either. So problem is anything else.

-- 
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo

Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at mail.cz, jabber: santiago at njs.netlab.cz)
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From lucasvo at gmx.ch  Sun Nov 27 11:05:08 2005
From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:05:08 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 26
In-Reply-To: <20051127000313.27398.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051127000313.27398.qmail@web53415.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1133089508.8012.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 16:03 -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> maybe you can use sunlight to increase internet speed on ronja or use
> it to finish the 100mbits laserlink of course you can try fiber optic
> wiring or solar power. 
If you want to have fiber optic just go into a shop and buy a card, it
usually works quite good.

But this isn't our goal, we want connection over air!
What do you mean with using sunlight to increase internet speed?

Please do not copy the whole digest!

Lucas

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From quintusmurray at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 27 14:14:07 2005
From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:14:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 28
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5336.1133085535.2010.ronja@lists.pointless.net>
Message-ID: <20051127141408.71066.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com>

hi this is quintus and I visited www.laserlink.ru sorry but do you have an english version of this website I don't speak or read in russian sorry.

		
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From quintusmurray at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 27 14:21:25 2005
From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:21:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1133092801.3945.ronja@lists.pointless.net>
Message-ID: <20051127142126.66073.qmail@web53414.mail.yahoo.com>


I mean using sunlight to be a light source combined with fiber optic wireing to use the over the air connection to connect to the internet after connecting laserlink 100Mbits to a wi-fi access point to get wi-fi internet connection to surf the internet. 

		
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From jojo at matfyz.cz  Sun Nov 27 14:24:19 2005
From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:24:19 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <20051127142126.66073.qmail@web53414.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.3.1133092801.3945.ronja@lists.pointless.net>
	<20051127142126.66073.qmail@web53414.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051127142419.GB23531@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>

On 2005-11-27 06:21 -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> I mean using sunlight to be a light source combined with fiber optic
> wireing to use the over the air connection to connect to the internet
> after connecting laserlink 100Mbits to a wi-fi access point to get
> wi-fi internet connection to surf the internet. 

Does this make sense to anybody or am I the only one who does not get
it?

-- 
Marian Cerny <jojo at matfyz.cz>
Jabber: jojo at njs.netlab.cz

[ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ]


From lucasvo at gmx.ch  Sun Nov 27 14:30:05 2005
From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:30:05 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 28
In-Reply-To: <20051127141408.71066.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051127141408.71066.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1133101805.27836.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 06:14 -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> hi this is quintus and I visited www.laserlink.ru sorry but do you
Ronja-mailinglist isn't responsible for that website so ask somebody els
please.

>  have an english version of this website I don't speak or read in
> russian sorry.

> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
and as it is written in the digest please CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT!!!

lucas


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From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz  Sun Nov 27 14:30:15 2005
From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:30:15 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 29
References: <mailman.3.1133092801.3945.ronja@lists.pointless.net><20051127142126.66073.qmail@web53414.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20051127142419.GB23531@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
Message-ID: <001c01c5f35f$15835b60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>

Muhehe,
pridavam filtr na toho exota :-D

Cipis


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marian Cerny" <jojo at matfyz.cz>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 29


> On 2005-11-27 06:21 -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> > I mean using sunlight to be a light source combined with fiber optic
> > wireing to use the over the air connection to connect to the internet
> > after connecting laserlink 100Mbits to a wi-fi access point to get
> > wi-fi internet connection to surf the internet. 
> 
> Does this make sense to anybody or am I the only one who does not get
> it?
> 
> -- 
> Marian Cerny <jojo at matfyz.cz>
> Jabber: jojo at njs.netlab.cz
> 
> [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ]
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ronja mailing list
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From lucasvo at gmx.ch  Sun Nov 27 14:32:27 2005
From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:32:27 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <20051127142126.66073.qmail@web53414.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051127142126.66073.qmail@web53414.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1133101947.27836.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 06:21 -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> 
> I mean using sunlight to be a light source combined with fiber optic
> wireing to use the over the air connection to connect to the internet
> after connecting laserlink 100Mbits to a wi-fi access point to get
> wi-fi internet connection to surf the internet. 
and how do you want to modify the sun so that it generates 1000mbit
signal?

lucas
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From jojo at matfyz.cz  Sun Nov 27 14:39:14 2005
From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:39:14 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <001c01c5f35f$15835b60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
References: <20051127142419.GB23531@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
	<001c01c5f35f$15835b60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>
Message-ID: <20051127143914.GD23531@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>

Ale uz som mu poslal mailovou bombou asi 50 emailov, ze nema posielat
mail s celou kopiou digestu a napisal, ze pochopil, tak snad to uz robit
nebude... :-)

-- 
Marian Cerny <jojo at matfyz.cz>
Jabber: jojo at njs.netlab.cz

[ Najd?te v?dy aktu?ln? MAPY ?R ve va?em mobilu a pou??vejte je ZDARMA!
  Aplikace ocen?na 1. m?stem v sout??i Best Mobile Solution 2005.
  Dal?? podrobnosti na http://mapy.mobilfiesta.cz ]

On 2005-11-27 15:30 +0100, Cipis wrote:
> Muhehe,
> pridavam filtr na toho exota :-D
> 
> Cipis
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marian Cerny" <jojo at matfyz.cz>
> To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 29
> 
> 
> > On 2005-11-27 06:21 -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> > > I mean using sunlight to be a light source combined with fiber optic
> > > wireing to use the over the air connection to connect to the internet
> > > after connecting laserlink 100Mbits to a wi-fi access point to get
> > > wi-fi internet connection to surf the internet. 
> > 
> > Does this make sense to anybody or am I the only one who does not get
> > it?


From lucasvo at gmx.ch  Sun Nov 27 15:29:33 2005
From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:29:33 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 28
Message-ID: <1133105373.30715.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>


hi this is quintus and I visited www.google.ru sorry but do you have an
english version of this website I don't speak or read in russian sorry.

> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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From clock at twibright.com  Sun Nov 27 17:47:18 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:47:18 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] 3com switch not recommended for Ronja
Message-ID: <20051127174718.GB22556@kestrel>

We have here 5-port 3com switch and we disconnected and connected 220V
briefly and the switch hanged from this. I couldn't ping another machine
on the same segment. After we removed the power from the switch, it
started to work. So it was switch hang.

If you use this switch for Ronja and 220V falls out, Ronja will restart,
PC with Linux will restart, but the switch may hang and you will maybe
need to sit into a car and go to remote location to reset the switch.

CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Sun Nov 27 18:13:07 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:13:07 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>
References: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>
Message-ID: <20051127181307.GA7843@kestrel>

On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 09:45:20PM +0100, Max wrote:
> Ahoj nevedel bys o necem cim se da rozumne merit RSSI z PC nejake A/D
> prevodnik? MaX

Nevim.

CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Sun Nov 27 18:26:02 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:26:02 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Problem with Ronja
In-Reply-To: <20051127095846.GA3611@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20051126105539.GA4421@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051127090136.GA18545@kestrel>
	<20051127095846.GA3611@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20051127182602.GA18105@kestrel>

On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 10:58:46AM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 10:01:36AM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 11:55:39AM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote:
> > > Hello
> > > 
> > > I have a problem with Ronja - after several months of smooth operation one
> > > Ronja started to not working. Exactly TX  sometimes (for several hours) shines
> > > (and Ronja works), sometimes (another several hours) doesn't shine. I measured
> > > power supply voltage and it is about 9 V (during both situations). It is
> > > possible that this is source of problem? I am not sure, because almost
> > > whole TX is supplied by 5 V.
> > 
> > It should be supplied by 12V. Do you have weak power supply or too long
> > wires or why do you have 9V instead of 12?
> 
> (I measured voltage level on Twister, so length of wires to RX/TX
> is irrelevant.)
> 
> I don't know exactly - My power supply should be 12 V / 1 A regulated power
> supply (one for 2 connected Ronjas). I suspect there is some problem with
> Ronja that broken Ronja takes more power than 4 W. I don't have good
> ampermeter to verify it, but if i connect good Ronja to power source, there is

Then buy one of the cheapest digital multimeters. They include a good
ampermeter.

> voltage 11.5 V, if i connect broken Ronja to power source, there is voltage
> about 10 V, if i connect both Ronjas, there is voltage about 9 V.
> 
> Anyway, i tried connect broken Ronja to computer power supply (which is hard
> enough) and it didn't work either. So problem is anything else.

First get a multimeter and check if Ronja takes specified amount of
power or more.

CL<
> 
> -- 
> Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
> 
> Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago at mail.cz, jabber: santiago at njs.netlab.cz)
> OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net)
> "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."



> _______________________________________________
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> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja



From anmic at fmg.sk  Sun Nov 27 12:49:37 2005
From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:49:37 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Problem with Ronja
References: <20051126105539.GA4421@localhost.localdomain>
	<20051127090136.GA18545@kestrel>
Message-ID: <000001c5f384$74692e50$22b2fea9@anmic>

> On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 11:55:39AM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > I have a problem with Ronja - after several months of smooth operation
one
> > Ronja started to not working. Exactly TX  sometimes (for several hours)
shines
> > (and Ronja works), sometimes (another several hours) doesn't shine. I
measured
> > power supply voltage and it is about 9 V (during both situations). It is
> > possible that this is source of problem? I am not sure, because almost
> > whole TX is supplied by 5 V.

I can report similar behaviour. Sometimes my stablilized regulated power
supply shows about 10 V instead of 12 V, but the power consumption does not
change (still about 300 mA - without heater).

Maybe it is caused by low temperature (above zero), but I cannot understand
it. Anyway, I haven't noticed any problems with the link when the source
showed lower voltage.

anMic

>
> It should be supplied by 12V. Do you have weak power supply or too long
> wires or why do you have 9V instead of 12?
>
> Anyway Ronja seem to work on 880m track on 9V without packetloss. There
> is probably a cold joint somewhere that got activated by thermal
> cycling.
>
> CL<



From archaopttrx at arcor.de  Sun Nov 27 19:41:09 2005
From: archaopttrx at arcor.de (Daniel Berger)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:41:09 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Bug on RONJA website?
Message-ID: <438A0BD5.3090901@arcor.de>

Hello Clock,

am I having problems with my eyes, or is there no more link to
http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php
on the RONJA website?
How can the user access Ronja Audiofire, Ronja Starquake
and Ronja Hertz building guides?

Regards, Daniel.

-- 


From clock at twibright.com  Sun Nov 27 20:24:11 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:24:11 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja at Dorkbot Swiss Zurich
Message-ID: <20051127202411.GA23075@kestrel>

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From lucasvo at gmx.ch  Sun Nov 27 20:56:30 2005
From: lucasvo at gmx.ch (Lucas Vogelsang)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:56:30 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Bug on RONJA website?
In-Reply-To: <438A0BD5.3090901@arcor.de>
References: <438A0BD5.3090901@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <1133124990.30715.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

Yes you are right. I added the link in the category models.
It will be online soon.
lucas

On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 20:41 +0100, Daniel Berger wrote:
> Hello Clock,
> 
> am I having problems with my eyes, or is there no more link to
> http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php
> on the RONJA website?
> How can the user access Ronja Audiofire, Ronja Starquake
> and Ronja Hertz building guides?
> 
> Regards, Daniel.
> 
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From kubajz at kbx.cz  Sun Nov 27 21:32:51 2005
From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:32:51 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <20051127142126.66073.qmail@web53414.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051127142126.66073.qmail@web53414.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438A2603.6020200@kbx.cz>

What about employing two slaves equipped with a flashlight and a 
computer to operate in Morse code at 1000mbps? The only issue to solve 
is, that human has to sleep some time, so there would be big packet 
delay until one side of the link is up again :))
It is as good idea as using a fiber wire to modulate sunlight - maybe 
better :)

K

Quintus Murray wrote:
> 
> I mean using sunlight to be a light source combined with fiber optic 
> wireing to use the over the air connection to connect to the internet 
> after connecting laserlink 100Mbits to a wi-fi access point to get wi-fi 
> internet connection to surf the internet. 
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From kendy at hkfree.org  Sun Nov 27 22:28:36 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:28:36 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <20051127181307.GA7843@kestrel>
References: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>
	<20051127181307.GA7843@kestrel>
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Ja vyvijim RSSI metr, ktery bude mit 4 vstupy a napojovat se bude na 
seriak...

Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 09:45:20PM +0100, Max wrote:
> 
>>Ahoj nevedel bys o necem cim se da rozumne merit RSSI z PC nejake A/D
>>prevodnik? MaX
> 
> 
> Nevim.
> 
> CL<
> 
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From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz  Sun Nov 27 22:36:46 2005
From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:36:46 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <438A3314.60505@hkfree.org>
References: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>	<20051127181307.GA7843@kestrel>
	<438A3314.60505@hkfree.org>
Message-ID: <438A34FE.6080600@centrum.cz>

myslim ze se to da nak jednoduse odpor kondik, a meris za jak dlouho se 
ten kondik nabije cili nez tam bude jednicka. takovy jednoduchy 
prevodnik U/f s prd presnosti. nebo tam dej atmel treba. nedavno se to 
tu diskutovalo, neco malo sem se taky snazil, ale nak sem se k tomu uz 
dlouho nedostal. kdyz uz to vyvyjis tak hned privin neco aby to slo 
nekukudy kde uz drat vede ... treba po napajeni, po kaxu ..... hodne 
lidi nebavi tahat na strehu 2 koaxy + topeni a + este rssi, to zabija....

Kendy napsal(a):

>Ja vyvijim RSSI metr, ktery bude mit 4 vstupy a napojovat se bude na 
>seriak...
>
>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
>  
>
>>On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 09:45:20PM +0100, Max wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Ahoj nevedel bys o necem cim se da rozumne merit RSSI z PC nejake A/D
>>>prevodnik? MaX
>>>      
>>>
>>Nevim.
>>
>>CL<
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>
>>    
>>
>
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>
>  
>



From kendy at hkfree.org  Sun Nov 27 22:51:42 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:51:42 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <438A34FE.6080600@centrum.cz>
References: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>	<20051127181307.GA7843@kestrel>	<438A3314.60505@hkfree.org>
	<438A34FE.6080600@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <438A387E.2010906@hkfree.org>

Chci aby ta "krabicka" byla na strese a dolu to povede UTPkem.
Na strese bude A/D prevodnik s 8bit presnosti... Ted uz mi schazi jen 
ten software...



Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):

> myslim ze se to da nak jednoduse odpor kondik, a meris za jak dlouho se 
> ten kondik nabije cili nez tam bude jednicka. takovy jednoduchy 
> prevodnik U/f s prd presnosti. nebo tam dej atmel treba. nedavno se to 
> tu diskutovalo, neco malo sem se taky snazil, ale nak sem se k tomu uz 
> dlouho nedostal. kdyz uz to vyvyjis tak hned privin neco aby to slo 
> nekukudy kde uz drat vede ... treba po napajeni, po kaxu ..... hodne 
> lidi nebavi tahat na strehu 2 koaxy + topeni a + este rssi, to zabija....
> 
> Kendy napsal(a):
> 
> 
>>Ja vyvijim RSSI metr, ktery bude mit 4 vstupy a napojovat se bude na 
>>seriak...
>>
>>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
>> 
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 09:45:20PM +0100, Max wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ahoj nevedel bys o necem cim se da rozumne merit RSSI z PC nejake A/D
>>>>prevodnik? MaX
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nevim.
>>>
>>>CL<
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>
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>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
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>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
> 
> 
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From quintusmurray at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 27 23:08:39 2005
From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:08:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 30
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5358.1133120473.2010.ronja@lists.pointless.net>
Message-ID: <20051127230839.99251.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi lucas this is quintus murray and I think you should try a solar panel or satelite dish/solar panel reciever combo then use fiber optic wireing to distribute the light to the ronja as a light source then use 1Gbps components and switches instead of the ordinary 10 Mbit components.

		
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From sith at wifistar.net  Mon Nov 28 05:46:11 2005
From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:46:11 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
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References: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>	<20051127181307.GA7843@kestrel>	<438A3314.60505@hkfree.org>	<438A34FE.6080600@centrum.cz>
	<438A387E.2010906@hkfree.org>
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Nedavno jsem napsal programek pro obyc 8bit a/d prevodnik a fungovalo mi
to. A/D prevodnik se 4 vstupy jsem teda jeste nevidel. Ty to chces delat
s nejakym multiplexerem? Mohl bych se o to pokusit.

Kendy napsal(a):
> Chci aby ta "krabicka" byla na strese a dolu to povede UTPkem.
> Na strese bude A/D prevodnik s 8bit presnosti... Ted uz mi schazi jen 
> ten software...
> 
> 
> 
> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
> 
> 
>>myslim ze se to da nak jednoduse odpor kondik, a meris za jak dlouho se 
>>ten kondik nabije cili nez tam bude jednicka. takovy jednoduchy 
>>prevodnik U/f s prd presnosti. nebo tam dej atmel treba. nedavno se to 
>>tu diskutovalo, neco malo sem se taky snazil, ale nak sem se k tomu uz 
>>dlouho nedostal. kdyz uz to vyvyjis tak hned privin neco aby to slo 
>>nekukudy kde uz drat vede ... treba po napajeni, po kaxu ..... hodne 
>>lidi nebavi tahat na strehu 2 koaxy + topeni a + este rssi, to zabija....
>>
>>Kendy napsal(a):
>>
>>
>>
>>>Ja vyvijim RSSI metr, ktery bude mit 4 vstupy a napojovat se bude na 
>>>seriak...
>>>
>>>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 09:45:20PM +0100, Max wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ahoj nevedel bys o necem cim se da rozumne merit RSSI z PC nejake A/D
>>>>>prevodnik? MaX
>>>>>    
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Nevim.
>>>>
>>>>CL<
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ronja mailing list
>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>
> 
> 
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-- 
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skype: sith_cz


From zapadlo at melzer.cz  Mon Nov 28 06:41:45 2005
From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:41:45 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <438A3314.60505@hkfree.org>
References: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>
	<20051127181307.GA7843@kestrel> <438A3314.60505@hkfree.org>
Message-ID: <200511280741.45830.zapadlo@melzer.cz>

Dne ne 27. listopadu 2005 23:28 Kendy napsal(a):
> Ja vyvijim RSSI metr, ktery bude mit 4 vstupy a napojovat se bude na
> seriak...
>

Ja jsem ho prave dodelal.

Pokud bude mit nekdo zajem poslu podklady.

S pozdravem
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From kendy at hkfree.org  Mon Nov 28 06:54:18 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:54:18 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <200511280741.45830.zapadlo@melzer.cz>
References: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>	<20051127181307.GA7843@kestrel>
	<438A3314.60505@hkfree.org> <200511280741.45830.zapadlo@melzer.cz>
Message-ID: <438AA99A.7010905@hkfree.org>

Rad bych. Treba bych delal stejnou praci co si udelal ty.

Mohu tedy poprosit ?



Petr Zapadlo napsal(a):

> Dne ne 27. listopadu 2005 23:28 Kendy napsal(a):
> 
>>Ja vyvijim RSSI metr, ktery bude mit 4 vstupy a napojovat se bude na
>>seriak...
>>
> 
> 
> Ja jsem ho prave dodelal.
> 
> Pokud bude mit nekdo zajem poslu podklady.
> 
> S pozdravem


From kendy at hkfree.org  Mon Nov 28 06:54:26 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:54:26 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <438A99A3.8000705@wifistar.net>
References: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>	<20051127181307.GA7843@kestrel>	<438A3314.60505@hkfree.org>	<438A34FE.6080600@centrum.cz>	<438A387E.2010906@hkfree.org>
	<438A99A3.8000705@wifistar.net>
Message-ID: <438AA9A2.20908@hkfree.org>

PCF8591

David Sedl??ek napsal(a):

> Nedavno jsem napsal programek pro obyc 8bit a/d prevodnik a fungovalo mi
> to. A/D prevodnik se 4 vstupy jsem teda jeste nevidel. Ty to chces delat
> s nejakym multiplexerem? Mohl bych se o to pokusit.
> 
> Kendy napsal(a):
> 
>>Chci aby ta "krabicka" byla na strese a dolu to povede UTPkem.
>>Na strese bude A/D prevodnik s 8bit presnosti... Ted uz mi schazi jen 
>>ten software...
>>
>>
>>
>>Jakub Michn?k napsal(a):
>>
>>
>>
>>>myslim ze se to da nak jednoduse odpor kondik, a meris za jak dlouho se 
>>>ten kondik nabije cili nez tam bude jednicka. takovy jednoduchy 
>>>prevodnik U/f s prd presnosti. nebo tam dej atmel treba. nedavno se to 
>>>tu diskutovalo, neco malo sem se taky snazil, ale nak sem se k tomu uz 
>>>dlouho nedostal. kdyz uz to vyvyjis tak hned privin neco aby to slo 
>>>nekukudy kde uz drat vede ... treba po napajeni, po kaxu ..... hodne 
>>>lidi nebavi tahat na strehu 2 koaxy + topeni a + este rssi, to zabija....
>>>
>>>Kendy napsal(a):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ja vyvijim RSSI metr, ktery bude mit 4 vstupy a napojovat se bude na 
>>>>seriak...
>>>>
>>>>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 09:45:20PM +0100, Max wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ahoj nevedel bys o necem cim se da rozumne merit RSSI z PC nejake A/D
>>>>>>prevodnik? MaX
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nevim.
>>>>>
>>>>>CL<
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Ronja mailing list
>>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>>
> 
> 


From zapadlo at melzer.cz  Mon Nov 28 07:07:02 2005
From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:07:02 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <438AA99A.7010905@hkfree.org>
References: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>
	<200511280741.45830.zapadlo@melzer.cz>
	<438AA99A.7010905@hkfree.org>
Message-ID: <200511280807.02603.zapadlo@melzer.cz>

Dne po 28. listopadu 2005 07:54 Kendy napsal(a):
> Rad bych. Treba bych delal stejnou praci co si udelal ty.
>
> Mohu tedy poprosit ?

Pripravim vecer podklady, odpoledne poslu schema, zitra program do PIC16F873

Ve strucnosti:

Ma to 4 analogove vstupy 0 -5V
4 vstupy na teplotni cildlo SMT 160-30
4 relatka na vypinani a zapinani ruznych wifi krabicek

Komunikace po seriaku (rychlost libovolna)


S pozdravem
-- 
Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo

*********************************************
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*********************************************

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tel: 588 500134
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From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz  Mon Nov 28 08:19:29 2005
From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:19:29 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <200511280807.02603.zapadlo@melzer.cz>
References: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>	<200511280741.45830.zapadlo@melzer.cz>	<438AA99A.7010905@hkfree.org>
	<200511280807.02603.zapadlo@melzer.cz>
Message-ID: <438ABD91.5090202@centrum.cz>

ja bych si s dovolenim take vzala :) (jara cimrman, dlouhy sikorky a 
kratkozraky) .. myslim ze by bylo nejlepsi kdybys to hodil nekam na web. 
uplne jednoduse, ale at o to kazdy nemusi osobne zadat...


Petr Zapadlo napsal(a):

>Dne po 28. listopadu 2005 07:54 Kendy napsal(a):
>  
>
>>Rad bych. Treba bych delal stejnou praci co si udelal ty.
>>
>>Mohu tedy poprosit ?
>>    
>>
>
>Pripravim vecer podklady, odpoledne poslu schema, zitra program do PIC16F873
>
>Ve strucnosti:
>
>Ma to 4 analogove vstupy 0 -5V
>4 vstupy na teplotni cildlo SMT 160-30
>4 relatka na vypinani a zapinani ruznych wifi krabicek
>
>Komunikace po seriaku (rychlost libovolna)
>
>
>S pozdravem
>  
>



From clock at twibright.com  Mon Nov 28 09:29:35 2005
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:35 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 31, Issue 30
In-Reply-To: <20051127230839.99251.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5358.1133120473.2010.ronja@lists.pointless.net>
	<20051127230839.99251.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051128092935.GB21459@kestrel>

On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 03:08:39PM -0800, Quintus Murray wrote:
> 
> Hi lucas this is quintus murray and I think you should try a solar
> panel or satelite dish/solar panel reciever combo then use fiber optic
> wireing to distribute the light to the ronja as a light source then
> use 1Gbps components and switches instead of the ordinary 10 Mbit
> components.

Why kicking Quintus? He sometimes says things that are true ("you can
use sunlight as light source for Ronja" - if you used acoustooptical
modulator you could) - or his own opinions (like these). His
contributions are to the topic as well (optical communications).

You can't kick someone just because his suggestions are impractical.

CL<


From seligr at sh.cvut.cz  Mon Nov 28 10:22:40 2005
From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:22:40 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] your mail
In-Reply-To: <438A34FE.6080600@centrum.cz>
References: <000601c5f2ca$50df6360$9664000a@max>
	<20051127181307.GA7843@kestrel> <438A3314.60505@hkfree.org>
	<438A34FE.6080600@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <1133173360.438ada700ec42@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>

Cituji z emailu od Jakub Michn?k <jakub.michnik at centrum.cz>:

> myslim ze se to da nak jednoduse odpor kondik, a meris za jak dlouho se 
> ten kondik nabije cili nez tam bude jednicka. takovy jednoduchy 
> prevodnik U/f s prd presnosti. nebo tam dej atmel treba. nedavno se to 
> tu diskutovalo, neco malo sem se taky snazil, ale nak sem se k tomu uz 
> dlouho nedostal. kdyz uz to vyvyjis tak hned privin neco aby to slo 
> nekukudy kde uz drat vede ... treba po napajeni, po kaxu ..... hodne 
> lidi nebavi tahat na strehu 2 koaxy + topeni a + este rssi, to zabija....
> 

Jo, tohle me taky prudilo, taxem to poresil ze se ke kazdy roure tahne jedno UTP
a mezi rourama uz kabely nejsou. Od RX tahnu RSSI jednim parem primo k twisteru.
Ted jeste zbyva dodelat desku, ktera se da na distancni sloupky nad twister a
vsechny kabely se do ni pripoji pres RJ45 konektory. Na tyhle desce bude merit
RSSI a posilat data pres seriak taky atmel. Jeste zvazuju nejake mereni teploty,
kdyz je tam tolik nevyuzitych nozicek.

Petr


> Kendy napsal(a):
> 
> >Ja vyvijim RSSI metr, ktery bude mit 4 vstupy a napojovat se bude na 
> >seriak...
> >
> >Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
> >  
> >
> >>On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 09:45:20PM +0100, Max wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Ahoj nevedel bys o necem cim se da rozumne merit RSSI z PC nejake A/D
> >>>prevodnik? MaX



From zapadlo at melzer.cz  Mon Nov 28 12:31:37 2005
From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:31:37 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronjameter
Message-ID: <200511281331.37961.zapadlo@melzer.cz>

Zdravim

posilam prvni cast podkladu.

Na web to nemam kam hodit.

Schema a plosnak je kresleny ve free verzi eagle 4.13 (linux)

Program do PICa dodam zitra (nemam ho tady u sebe)



Vypis helpu z modulu (aby bylo videt co to umi):

help
X-zastupuje cislo v rozmezi 0-3(vstup,rele)
h----help
r----sw reset
m----seznam pripojenych teplotnich cidel
a----analogove vstupy
  nX-napeti cidla X
  rX-napeti cidla X opakovane q-konec
  tX-teplota cidla X
  cX-teplota cidla X opakovane q-konec
d----ovladani rele
  oX-zapne releX
  fX-vypne releX
  rX-vypne a zapne rele X, 1minuta
  s--vypise stav vsech rele

Chyby, nedostatky, nedodelky:

	- LM124 - je napajen jen z +5V - neumi merit vic nez 3.77V (na ronju mi to 
nevadi, ale chtelo by to predelat)
	- Spoje kolem rele nejsou v dostatecnych mezerach, aby rele mohli spinat 
primo 220V
	- Zatim nepouzivam watchdog, takze pokud za provozu upadne nektere teplotni 
cidlo tak program zustane viset ve smycce. Tohle hodlam jeste do konce tydne 
vyresit.
	- Podklady nejsou v GPL programu, takze s tim bude mit Clock "dusevni 
problem", ja se mu nedivim, ale preucovat se mi moc nechce. Pokud to bude 
chtit nekdo prekreslit, rad pomohu.

Pokud bude chtit nekdo spolupracovat (delat testera a pod) budu velmi rad.


S pozdravem
-- 
Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo

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From anmic at fmg.sk  Mon Nov 28 19:50:16 2005
From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:50:16 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] napajeni po koaxu
Message-ID: <000101c5f454$ffafaae0$0101a8c0@anmic>

Dobry den,

mohli byste, prosim, okomentovat navrh v priloze (napajeni Ronji po strednim
vodici koaxu)?

Je mozne provest to timto zpusobem? Mam osazovat kapacity oznacene "???"?
(Prip. jakou hodnotu tam mam dat?)

Jake provedeni tlumivek doporucite pro provedeni v praxi?
Hledal jsem v ceniku GME; nabizeji:
- radialni FASTRON
- axialni FASTRON
- TLEC
- TDK
- TALEMA
viz.
http://www.gme.cz/index.php?lk=&sk=&action=katalog&subkat=5440227&subsubkat=5497491#KATALOGB

Co se tyka mechanickeho provedeni, napajel bych to jako airwire rovnou do
boxu twisteru (upravene rozmery). Ma vyznam oddelovat to od zbytku krabicky
plechovou stinici prepazkou?

Od uvedeneho reseni ocekavam (aspon castecnou) eliminaci TV ruseni, ktere se
u nas vyskytlo. (Nemam sice techniku na presne zmereni, nakolik to bude
ucinne. Nicmene pokud mi poradite s vyse uvedenym, rad vas budu informovat,
jestli to vyresilo situaci, a treba uvedene zapojeni pomuze i nekomu
dalsimu..)

Dekuji za spolupraci,
anMic
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From zapadlo at melzer.cz  Tue Nov 29 06:50:43 2005
From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:50:43 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] napajeni po koaxu
In-Reply-To: <000101c5f454$ffafaae0$0101a8c0@anmic>
References: <000101c5f454$ffafaae0$0101a8c0@anmic>
Message-ID: <200511290750.43753.zapadlo@melzer.cz>

Dne po 28. listopadu 2005 20:50 anMic napsal(a):
> Dobry den,
>
> mohli byste, prosim, okomentovat navrh v priloze (napajeni Ronji po
> strednim vodici koaxu)?
>
> Je mozne provest to timto zpusobem? Mam osazovat kapacity oznacene "???"?
> (Prip. jakou hodnotu tam mam dat?)
U Tx vetve lze kondenzator ???? uplne vynechat (je uz na desce twistera)
U Rx vetve bych ho vynechal taky, s tim ze bych nezapojil na twisterovi R70.
Pokud by byl R70 zapojen, pak bych pouzil kapacitu cca 220nF .
Dale povazuji za zbytecnou tu kaskadu tlumivek. Ty tlumivkty 47uF bych 
vynechal uplne a napajeni blokoval kombinaci:
tantal - par uF
100nF - keramika
10nF - keramika
1nF - keramika




S pozdravem
-- 
Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo

*********************************************
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*********************************************

Ing. Petr Zapadlo
vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory
Melzer, spol. s r.o.
Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov
tel: 588 500134
mailto: zapadlo at melzer.cz
http://www.melzer.cz


From zapadlo at melzer.cz  Tue Nov 29 07:10:17 2005
From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:10:17 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronjameter
In-Reply-To: <200511281331.37961.zapadlo@melzer.cz>
References: <200511281331.37961.zapadlo@melzer.cz>
Message-ID: <200511290810.17122.zapadlo@melzer.cz>

Zdravim 

posilam ASM a hex pro PICe do ronjametru.

Pouzitelne jsou procesory PIC16F873 i 16F873A, pozor na ruzne programovaci 
algoritmy.

Ja jsem pouzival programator z www.bezstarosti.cz

Pokud to bude nekdo stavet, dejte mi vedet co se vam libilo a co ne at to muzu 
upravovat v pristich verzich.

taky zkuste vymyslet k cemu vyuzit ty 4 led. Za tim jedna blika jako indikator 
zapnuti a na dvou indikuji prijem znaku do buffru a vyber znaku z buffru. 
(zbylo to po ladeni). Posledni je nevyuzita.


S pozdravem
-- 
Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo

*********************************************
? ? ? ?E-shop spole?nosti MELZER 
? ?MP3 p?ehr?va?e za SUPER cenu
? ? ? ? ? ? ? po cel? listopad!
? ? ? ? ? http://shop.melzer.cz

*********************************************

Ing. Petr Zapadlo
vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory
Melzer, spol. s r.o.
Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov
tel: 588 500134
mailto: zapadlo at melzer.cz
http://www.melzer.cz
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From seligr at sh.cvut.cz  Tue Nov 29 07:52:25 2005
From: seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:52:25 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] napajeni po koaxu
In-Reply-To: <000101c5f454$ffafaae0$0101a8c0@anmic>
References: <000101c5f454$ffafaae0$0101a8c0@anmic>
Message-ID: <1133250745.438c08b94cfdb@desitka.sh.cvut.cz>

Cituji z emailu od anMic <anmic at fmg.sk>:

> Dobry den,
> 
> mohli byste, prosim, okomentovat navrh v priloze (napajeni Ronji po
> strednim
> vodici koaxu)?
> 
> Je mozne provest to timto zpusobem? Mam osazovat kapacity oznacene "???"?
> (Prip. jakou hodnotu tam mam dat?)
> 

Pouzit by se nechaly FASTRON axialni a TLEC 10uH ale to je skoro mala
indukcnost. Tech 220uH je uz na jednom megahertzu daleko nad SRF a chova se jako
kondik. Tudiz signal bude saknou z TX do RX.

> Jake provedeni tlumivek doporucite pro provedeni v praxi?
> Hledal jsem v ceniku GME; nabizeji:
> - radialni FASTRON
> - axialni FASTRON
> - TLEC
> - TDK
> - TALEMA
> viz.
>
http://www.gme.cz/index.php?lk=&sk=&action=katalog&subkat=5440227&subsubkat=5497491#KATALOGB
> 
> Co se tyka mechanickeho provedeni, napajel bych to jako airwire rovnou do
> boxu twisteru (upravene rozmery). Ma vyznam oddelovat to od zbytku krabicky
> plechovou stinici prepazkou?
> 
> Od uvedeneho reseni ocekavam (aspon castecnou) eliminaci TV ruseni, ktere
> se
> u nas vyskytlo. (Nemam sice techniku na presne zmereni, nakolik to bude
> ucinne. Nicmene pokud mi poradite s vyse uvedenym, rad vas budu informovat,
> jestli to vyresilo situaci, a treba uvedene zapojeni pomuze i nekomu
> dalsimu..)
> 
> Dekuji za spolupraci,
> anMic
> 





From asteri_x at freemail.hu  Wed Nov 30 07:45:39 2005
From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (Martin)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:45:39 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] 100Mhz transceiver
In-Reply-To: <001c01c5db95$f586a820$0d13320a@sorin>
References: <mailman.7.1130410801.1447.ronja@lists.pointless.net>
	<001c01c5db95$f586a820$0d13320a@sorin>
Message-ID: <438D58A3.7040706@freemail.hu>

Hi!
For your information:
I measured the frequency spectrum of an 100Mbit MLT-3 signal at my 
workplace. Fortunately we have a spectrum analyzer :)
But couldn't make a snapshot, only make a poor drawing, but I think it 
will help others to make design decisions. At least it helps me :)
It shows, that there are frequencies till 175MHz, but no more.
So the most cheap transistors may be sufficient for the design of RX and 
TX. Filters can also be designed so.

Bye,
Martin

Here it is:
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From kendy at hkfree.org  Wed Nov 30 18:48:41 2005
From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:48:41 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronjameter
In-Reply-To: <200511281331.37961.zapadlo@melzer.cz>
References: <200511281331.37961.zapadlo@melzer.cz>
Message-ID: <438DF409.2030208@hkfree.org>

No vida, ty relatka vypadaji taky dobre :) Betatester by se urcite 
nasel, jen bude problem s programatorem PICu...



Petr Zapadlo napsal(a):

> Zdravim
> 
> posilam prvni cast podkladu.
> 
> Na web to nemam kam hodit.
> 
> Schema a plosnak je kresleny ve free verzi eagle 4.13 (linux)
> 
> Program do PICa dodam zitra (nemam ho tady u sebe)
> 
> 
> 
> Vypis helpu z modulu (aby bylo videt co to umi):
> 
> help
> X-zastupuje cislo v rozmezi 0-3(vstup,rele)
> h----help
> r----sw reset
> m----seznam pripojenych teplotnich cidel
> a----analogove vstupy
>   nX-napeti cidla X
>   rX-napeti cidla X opakovane q-konec
>   tX-teplota cidla X
>   cX-teplota cidla X opakovane q-konec
> d----ovladani rele
>   oX-zapne releX
>   fX-vypne releX
>   rX-vypne a zapne rele X, 1minuta
>   s--vypise stav vsech rele
> 
> Chyby, nedostatky, nedodelky:
> 
> 	- LM124 - je napajen jen z +5V - neumi merit vic nez 3.77V (na ronju mi to 
> nevadi, ale chtelo by to predelat)
> 	- Spoje kolem rele nejsou v dostatecnych mezerach, aby rele mohli spinat 
> primo 220V
> 	- Zatim nepouzivam watchdog, takze pokud za provozu upadne nektere teplotni 
> cidlo tak program zustane viset ve smycce. Tohle hodlam jeste do konce tydne 
> vyresit.
> 	- Podklady nejsou v GPL programu, takze s tim bude mit Clock "dusevni 
> problem", ja se mu nedivim, ale preucovat se mi moc nechce. Pokud to bude 
> chtit nekdo prekreslit, rad pomohu.
> 
> Pokud bude chtit nekdo spolupracovat (delat testera a pod) budu velmi rad.
> 
> 
> S pozdravem
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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> 
> 
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