From anmic at fmg.sk Sun May 1 16:44:40 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sun May 1 16:47:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Kde sehnat cocky v Brne Message-ID: <000301c54e65$11c2a700$3201a8c0@anmic> Pokud budete shanet cocky nekde v Brne, mam tady tip. Zkuste vietnamsky shop s strasnym nezapamatovatelnym nazvem na ul. Milady Hor?kov?, cislo 27. Mam tam odsud 90mm cocky za 18 Kc a maji tam i vetsi. V GM Electronic pry prodavaji ty samy za 40-50 Kc. http://anmic.a4.cz/ronja/ronja052.jpg zdravi anMic From boza2 at volny.cz Mon May 2 09:15:26 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon May 2 09:16:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] linka Message-ID: <1507935474.20050502101526@volny.cz> Zdravim, vcera se nam podarilo nastrelit linku na 990m, Rx,Tx kompletne na SMD DPS od Skontorpa, jedna strana v AUI hnizo, druha strana Twister strceny v tubusu u Rx, napajeni po TP, cca 10m. RSSI na obou stranach 1100mV. Linka jede i kdyz se zakryje cca 90% prijimaci cocky, u vysilaci to zacne vypadavat pri asi 70%?zakryti cocky. Jsou to 130mm. Pri nastrelovani se nam na jedne strane podarilo toto: jednu stranu jsme zhasnuli a chteli jsme tam dat trojuhelnik od auta, abychom na nej zamerili. Jeste nez tamni obsluha vybalila 3uhelnik, tak jsme chytli odraz. Byl jasny, zretelny a prukazne nas. Vcera jsme postupnym vylucovanim zjistili, ze je to odraz o COCKU prijimaciho tubusu! Pri konecnem zamereni Rx tubusu podle meraku se musel tubus kousek pootocit, takze odraz uz nebyl tak vyrazny. Tj. idealni odraz o cocku neznamena idealni prijem signalu. Takze jestli nekdo vite, jak docilit antireflexniho povrchu na cockach, tak by se to mozna celkem hodilo. Ondra From boza2 at volny.cz Mon May 2 08:53:03 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon May 2 09:21:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Kde sehnat cocky v Brne In-Reply-To: <000301c54e65$11c2a700$3201a8c0@anmic> References: <000301c54e65$11c2a700$3201a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <1246592219.20050502095303@volny.cz> Pridas to na Wiki ? Ondra a> Pokud budete shanet cocky nekde v Brne, mam tady tip. Zkuste vietnamsky shop a> s strasnym nezapamatovatelnym nazvem na ul. Milady Hor?kov?, cislo 27. Mam a> tam odsud 90mm cocky za 18 Kc a maji tam i vetsi. V GM Electronic pry a> prodavaji ty samy za 40-50 Kc. a> http://anmic.a4.cz/ronja/ronja052.jpg a> zdravi anMic a> _______________________________________________ a> Ronja mailing list a> Ronja@lists.pointless.net a> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon May 2 09:31:06 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon May 2 09:33:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] linka In-Reply-To: <1507935474.20050502101526@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4276016A.7570.6CF4CC@localhost> Bingo, staci zalistovat cca rok nazpatek. Staci prelepit stred cocky izolepou a uz to skoro neodrazi. Takhle uz nejakej patek zameruju lasery. Petr > Zdravim, > vcera se nam podarilo nastrelit linku na 990m, Rx,Tx kompletne na SMD > DPS od Skontorpa, jedna strana v AUI hnizo, druha strana Twister > strceny v tubusu u Rx, napajeni po TP, cca 10m. RSSI na obou stranach > 1100mV. Linka jede i kdyz se zakryje cca 90% prijimaci cocky, u > vysilaci to zacne vypadavat pri asi 70% zakryti cocky. Jsou to 130mm. > > Pri nastrelovani se nam na jedne strane podarilo toto: jednu stranu > jsme zhasnuli a chteli jsme tam dat trojuhelnik od auta, abychom na > nej zamerili. Jeste nez tamni obsluha vybalila 3uhelnik, tak jsme > chytli odraz. Byl jasny, zretelny a prukazne nas. Vcera jsme postupnym > vylucovanim zjistili, ze je to odraz o COCKU prijimaciho tubusu! > Pri konecnem zamereni Rx tubusu podle meraku se musel tubus kousek > pootocit, takze odraz uz nebyl tak vyrazny. Tj. idealni odraz o cocku > neznamena idealni prijem signalu. > > Takze jestli nekdo vite, jak docilit antireflexniho povrchu na > cockach, tak by se to mozna celkem hodilo. > > Ondra > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From krepa at seznam.cz Mon May 2 10:50:49 2005 From: krepa at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Pavel=20Krejci?=) Date: Mon May 2 10:50:53 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20linka?= In-Reply-To: <1507935474.20050502101526@volny.cz> Message-ID: <412.1050-5429-954880884-1115027449@seznam.cz> No jo to dava rozum ;o) Kdyz se ti vsechno odrazi, tak co by chudak prijimac potom prijimal. PK. > Zdravim, > vcera se nam podarilo nastrelit linku na 990m, Rx,Tx kompletne na SMD > DPS od Skontorpa, jedna strana v AUI hnizo, druha strana Twister > strceny v tubusu u Rx, napajeni po TP, cca 10m. RSSI na obou stranach > 1100mV. Linka jede i kdyz se zakryje cca 90% prijimaci cocky, u > vysilaci to zacne vypadavat pri asi 70%?zakryti cocky. Jsou to 130mm. > > Pri nastrelovani se nam na jedne strane podarilo toto: jednu stranu > jsme zhasnuli a chteli jsme tam dat trojuhelnik od auta, abychom na > nej zamerili. Jeste nez tamni obsluha vybalila 3uhelnik, tak jsme > chytli odraz. Byl jasny, zretelny a prukazne nas. Vcera jsme postupnym > vylucovanim zjistili, ze je to odraz o COCKU prijimaciho tubusu! > Pri konecnem zamereni Rx tubusu podle meraku se musel tubus kousek > pootocit, takze odraz uz nebyl tak vyrazny. Tj. idealni odraz o cocku > neznamena idealni prijem signalu. > > Takze jestli nekdo vite, jak docilit antireflexniho povrchu na > cockach, tak by se to mozna celkem hodilo. > > Ondra > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From clock at jikos.cz Mon May 2 13:34:55 2005 From: clock at jikos.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 2 13:35:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] linka In-Reply-To: <1507935474.20050502101526@volny.cz> References: <1507935474.20050502101526@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050502123455.GB16240@kestrel> On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 10:15:26AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > vcera se nam podarilo nastrelit linku na 990m, Rx,Tx kompletne na SMD > DPS od Skontorpa, jedna strana v AUI hnizo, druha strana Twister > strceny v tubusu u Rx, napajeni po TP, cca 10m. RSSI na obou stranach > 1100mV. Linka jede i kdyz se zakryje cca 90% prijimaci cocky, u > vysilaci to zacne vypadavat pri asi 70%?zakryti cocky. Jsou to 130mm. > > Pri nastrelovani se nam na jedne strane podarilo toto: jednu stranu > jsme zhasnuli a chteli jsme tam dat trojuhelnik od auta, abychom na > nej zamerili. Jeste nez tamni obsluha vybalila 3uhelnik, tak jsme > chytli odraz. Byl jasny, zretelny a prukazne nas. Vcera jsme postupnym > vylucovanim zjistili, ze je to odraz o COCKU prijimaciho tubusu! > Pri konecnem zamereni Rx tubusu podle meraku se musel tubus kousek > pootocit, takze odraz uz nebyl tak vyrazny. Tj. idealni odraz o cocku > neznamena idealni prijem signalu. Of course. The reflection goes through the lens, focuses on the metal next to the detector and bounces back away to the same direction. It works the same as cat's eye. Therefore it works best when the metal beside detector is in the focus and not the detetor. The detector is very dark (as it has to be if 89% incident light want to be converted into electricity :) ) We were using this phenomenon for poor man's alignment too, but only on 260m links. CL< From anmic at fmg.sk Mon May 2 15:07:00 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Mon May 2 15:08:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Kde sehnat cocky v Brne References: <000301c54e65$11c2a700$3201a8c0@anmic> <1246592219.20050502095303@volny.cz> Message-ID: <003001c54f20$543870e0$3201a8c0@anmic> Jsem tady na maillistu novacek, takze poradne nevim jak na to :-) Pokud mate nekdo chvilku a myslite, ze je to pro ostatni uzitecna informace, tak to tam klidne dejte. Diky, zdravi anMic > Pridas to na Wiki ? > > Ondra a> Pokud budete shanet cocky nekde v Brne, mam tady tip. Zkuste vietnamsky shop a> s strasnym nezapamatovatelnym nazvem na ul. Milady Hor?kov?, cislo 27. From Funky at seznam.cz Mon May 2 19:37:52 2005 From: Funky at seznam.cz (Funky) Date: Mon May 2 19:37:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy Message-ID: <2352.3120-3238-1729510480-1115059072@seznam.cz> Ahoj, RX je podle navodu, testpointy jsou nasledujici: Point Measured should be min. should be max. P101 0 11,7 12,2 P102 0 3,5 4 P103 0 0 0,1 P104 0 5 6 P105 6 5,6 6,6 P106 5,7 5,6 6,6 P107 0 0 0 P108 11,2 10,9 11,3 P109 5,6 4,9 5,1 P110 12,2 11,5 12,5 asi je nejaka soucastka vadna, nenapada vas ktera ? (mozna je to hlopy dotaz, jsem elektrotechnicka lama) myslel jsem si ze je vadna BF988, ale kdyz jsem ji vymenil tak se nic nezmenilo. Pokud to pomuze tak fotky jsou zde: http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/21.jpg http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/32.jpg Dik za radu, Jindra ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon May 2 19:51:41 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon May 2 19:51:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy References: <2352.3120-3238-1729510480-1115059072@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <001001c54f47$fbdf12a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> zkontroluj to od R111 doleva a dolu, dle schematu :-) mozna nemas R106, R105 pripojeny k R111 az po R111 to mas dobre, protoze ti sedi P105 Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Funky" To: Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy Ahoj, RX je podle navodu, testpointy jsou nasledujici: Point Measured should be min. should be max. P101 0 11,7 12,2 P102 0 3,5 4 P103 0 0 0,1 P104 0 5 6 P105 6 5,6 6,6 P106 5,7 5,6 6,6 P107 0 0 0 P108 11,2 10,9 11,3 P109 5,6 4,9 5,1 P110 12,2 11,5 12,5 asi je nejaka soucastka vadna, nenapada vas ktera ? (mozna je to hlopy dotaz, jsem elektrotechnicka lama) myslel jsem si ze je vadna BF988, ale kdyz jsem ji vymenil tak se nic nezmenilo. Pokud to pomuze tak fotky jsou zde: http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/21.jpg http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/32.jpg Dik za radu, Jindra ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Funky at seznam.cz Mon May 2 20:02:34 2005 From: Funky at seznam.cz (Funky) Date: Mon May 2 20:02:37 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20problem=20s=20RX=20testpointy?= In-Reply-To: <001001c54f47$fbdf12a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <2343.3112-5597-1534682548-1115060553@seznam.cz> Dik, jsem asi slepej, prehlidl jsem ze se mi rozlomil jeden spoj. jak jsem vymenoval BF988 tak jsem si delal misto a pritom sem to ulomil. DIK! ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Cipis" Komu (To): "Funky" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy Datum (Date): 2. 5. 2005 20:51 ================================================== > zkontroluj to od R111 doleva a dolu, dle schematu :-) > mozna nemas R106, R105 pripojeny k R111 > az po R111 to mas dobre, protoze ti sedi P105 > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Funky" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:37 PM > Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > Ahoj, > > RX je podle navodu, testpointy jsou nasledujici: > > Point Measured should be min. should be max. > P101 0 11,7 12,2 > P102 0 3,5 4 > P103 0 0 0,1 > P104 0 5 6 > P105 6 5,6 6,6 > P106 5,7 5,6 6,6 > P107 0 0 0 > P108 11,2 10,9 11,3 > P109 5,6 4,9 5,1 > P110 12,2 11,5 12,5 > > > asi je nejaka soucastka vadna, nenapada vas ktera ? (mozna je to hlopy > dotaz, jsem elektrotechnicka lama) > myslel jsem si ze je vadna BF988, ale kdyz jsem ji vymenil tak se nic > nezmenilo. Pokud to pomuze tak fotky jsou zde: > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/21.jpg > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/32.jpg > > Dik za radu, > Jindra > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon May 2 20:07:36 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon May 2 20:07:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy References: <2343.3112-5597-1534682548-1115060553@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000901c54f4a$342f5aa0$0103450a@thechosen> co planujes prisroubovat k tem sroubum na skatulce? ve predu asi termalni stit a co v zadu? Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Funky" To: "Cipis" Cc: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy Dik, jsem asi slepej, prehlidl jsem ze se mi rozlomil jeden spoj. jak jsem vymenoval BF988 tak jsem si delal misto a pritom sem to ulomil. DIK! ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Cipis" Komu (To): "Funky" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy Datum (Date): 2. 5. 2005 20:51 ================================================== > zkontroluj to od R111 doleva a dolu, dle schematu :-) > mozna nemas R106, R105 pripojeny k R111 > az po R111 to mas dobre, protoze ti sedi P105 > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Funky" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:37 PM > Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > Ahoj, > > RX je podle navodu, testpointy jsou nasledujici: > > Point Measured should be min. should be max. > P101 0 11,7 12,2 > P102 0 3,5 4 > P103 0 0 0,1 > P104 0 5 6 > P105 6 5,6 6,6 > P106 5,7 5,6 6,6 > P107 0 0 0 > P108 11,2 10,9 11,3 > P109 5,6 4,9 5,1 > P110 12,2 11,5 12,5 > > > asi je nejaka soucastka vadna, nenapada vas ktera ? (mozna je to hlopy > dotaz, jsem elektrotechnicka lama) > myslel jsem si ze je vadna BF988, ale kdyz jsem ji vymenil tak se nic > nezmenilo. Pokud to pomuze tak fotky jsou zde: > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/21.jpg > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/32.jpg > > Dik za radu, > Jindra > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0518-0, 02.05.2005 Testovano: 2.5.2005 21:07:37 avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From Funky at seznam.cz Tue May 3 05:43:32 2005 From: Funky at seznam.cz (Funky) Date: Tue May 3 05:43:35 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20problem=20s=20RX=20testpointy?= In-Reply-To: <000901c54f4a$342f5aa0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <2333.3096-21547-345094487-1115095412@seznam.cz> je to trochu nestandardni reseni, jsem zvedavy jak to bude fungovat.. http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/08.jpg ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Michal Mal??ek" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy Datum (Date): 2. 5. 2005 21:07 ================================================== > co planujes prisroubovat k tem sroubum na skatulce? ve predu asi termalni > stit a co v zadu? > > Glo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Funky" > To: "Cipis" > Cc: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > Dik, jsem asi slepej, prehlidl jsem ze se mi rozlomil jeden spoj. jak jsem > vymenoval BF988 tak jsem si delal misto a pritom sem to ulomil. > > DIK! > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Cipis" > Komu (To): "Funky" , "Twibright Ronja" > > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > Datum (Date): 2. 5. 2005 20:51 > ================================================== > > > zkontroluj to od R111 doleva a dolu, dle schematu :-) > > mozna nemas R106, R105 pripojeny k R111 > > az po R111 to mas dobre, protoze ti sedi P105 > > > > Cipis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Funky" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:37 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > > > > Ahoj, > > > > RX je podle navodu, testpointy jsou nasledujici: > > > > Point Measured should be min. should be max. > > P101 0 11,7 12,2 > > P102 0 3,5 4 > > P103 0 0 0,1 > > P104 0 5 6 > > P105 6 5,6 6,6 > > P106 5,7 5,6 6,6 > > P107 0 0 0 > > P108 11,2 10,9 11,3 > > P109 5,6 4,9 5,1 > > P110 12,2 11,5 12,5 > > > > > > asi je nejaka soucastka vadna, nenapada vas ktera ? (mozna je to hlopy > > dotaz, jsem elektrotechnicka lama) > > myslel jsem si ze je vadna BF988, ale kdyz jsem ji vymenil tak se nic > > nezmenilo. Pokud to pomuze tak fotky jsou zde: > > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/21.jpg > > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/32.jpg > > > > Dik za radu, > > Jindra > > ____________________________________________________________ > > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0518-0, 02.05.2005 > Testovano: 2.5.2005 21:07:37 > avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue May 3 08:18:31 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Tue May 3 08:18:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy References: <2333.3096-21547-345094487-1115095412@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <001401c54fb0$500e4cc0$0103450a@thechosen> jestli tim planujes stelovani prijimace do ohniska tak to je zbytecna prace, stacili by ti ty kotoucky, naraficit to tam a prilepit silikonem pac tim uz nikdy hejbat nebudes. a i pilovani tech kotoucu je dost pracne pokud ti je nekdo neudela masinou. ale nevim. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Funky" To: "Michal Mal??ek" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy je to trochu nestandardni reseni, jsem zvedavy jak to bude fungovat.. http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/08.jpg ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Michal Mal??ek" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy Datum (Date): 2. 5. 2005 21:07 ================================================== > co planujes prisroubovat k tem sroubum na skatulce? ve predu asi termalni > stit a co v zadu? > > Glo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Funky" > To: "Cipis" > Cc: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > Dik, jsem asi slepej, prehlidl jsem ze se mi rozlomil jeden spoj. jak jsem > vymenoval BF988 tak jsem si delal misto a pritom sem to ulomil. > > DIK! > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Cipis" > Komu (To): "Funky" , "Twibright Ronja" > > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > Datum (Date): 2. 5. 2005 20:51 > ================================================== > > > zkontroluj to od R111 doleva a dolu, dle schematu :-) > > mozna nemas R106, R105 pripojeny k R111 > > az po R111 to mas dobre, protoze ti sedi P105 > > > > Cipis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Funky" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:37 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > > > > Ahoj, > > > > RX je podle navodu, testpointy jsou nasledujici: > > > > Point Measured should be min. should be max. > > P101 0 11,7 12,2 > > P102 0 3,5 4 > > P103 0 0 0,1 > > P104 0 5 6 > > P105 6 5,6 6,6 > > P106 5,7 5,6 6,6 > > P107 0 0 0 > > P108 11,2 10,9 11,3 > > P109 5,6 4,9 5,1 > > P110 12,2 11,5 12,5 > > > > > > asi je nejaka soucastka vadna, nenapada vas ktera ? (mozna je to hlopy > > dotaz, jsem elektrotechnicka lama) > > myslel jsem si ze je vadna BF988, ale kdyz jsem ji vymenil tak se nic > > nezmenilo. Pokud to pomuze tak fotky jsou zde: > > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/21.jpg > > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/32.jpg > > > > Dik za radu, > > Jindra > > ____________________________________________________________ > > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > --- > avast! 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(c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Tue May 3 13:06:37 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Tue May 3 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy Message-ID: <200505031406.11453@centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: m.malusek@seznam.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 03.05.2005 09:18 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > jestli tim planujes stelovani prijimace do ohniska tak to je zbytecna > prace, > stacili by ti ty kotoucky, naraficit to tam a prilepit silikonem pac = tim > uz > nikdy hejbat nebudes.=20 no jo, ale jednou to nastelovat potreujes. rozhodne mi tohle reseni pri= de lepsi nez se snazit "vyfrezovat" drazku z boku trubky ja sem ty kotoucky vystrihl z kuprextitu, takze sly fajne pripajet na k= rabicku, kdyz to nesedelo tak sem to jednoduse na brusce doladil. a i pilovani tech kotoucu je dost pracne pokud ti je > nekdo neudela masinou. ale nevim. >=20 > Glo >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Funky" > To: "Michal Mal=F9=9Aek" ; "Twibright Ronj= a" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 6:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy >=20 >=20 > je to trochu nestandardni reseni, jsem zvedavy jak to bude fungovat.. > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/08.jpg >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1= va =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Od (From): "Michal Mal=F9=9Aek" > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P=F8edm=ECt (Subject): Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > Datum (Date): 2. 5. 2005 21:07 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D >=20 > > co planujes prisroubovat k tem sroubum na skatulce? ve predu asi > termalni > > stit a co v zadu? > > > > Glo > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Funky" > > To: "Cipis" > > Cc: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > > > > Dik, jsem asi slepej, prehlidl jsem ze se mi rozlomil jeden spoj. j= ak > jsem > > vymenoval BF988 tak jsem si delal misto a pritom sem to ulomil. > > > > DIK! > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D P=F9vodn=ED zpr= =E1va =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Od (From): "Cipis" > > Komu (To): "Funky" , "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Kopie (Cc): > > P=F8edm=ECt (Subject): Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > Datum (Date): 2. 5. 2005 20:51 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > > > > > zkontroluj to od R111 doleva a dolu, dle schematu :-) > > > mozna nemas R106, R105 pripojeny k R111 > > > az po R111 to mas dobre, protoze ti sedi P105 > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Funky" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:37 PM > > > Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > > > > > > > Ahoj, > > > > > > RX je podle navodu, testpointy jsou nasledujici: > > > > > > Point Measured should be min. should be max. > > > P101 0 11,7 12,2 > > > P102 0 3,5 4 > > > P103 0 0 0,1 > > > P104 0 5 6 > > > P105 6 5,6 6,6 > > > P106 5,7 5,6 6,6 > > > P107 0 0 0 > > > P108 11,2 10,9 11,3 > > > P109 5,6 4,9 5,1 > > > P110 12,2 11,5 12,5 > > > > > > > > > asi je nejaka soucastka vadna, nenapada vas ktera ? (mozna je to = hlopy > > > dotaz, jsem elektrotechnicka lama) > > > myslel jsem si ze je vadna BF988, ale kdyz jsem ji vymenil tak se= nic > > > nezmenilo. Pokud to pomuze tak fotky jsou zde: > > > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/21.jpg > > > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/32.jpg > > > > > > Dik za radu, > > > Jindra > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov=E1 schr=E1nka 2000 MB > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov=E1 schr=E1nka 2000 MB > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > --- > > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > > Virova databaze (VPS): 0518-0, 02.05.2005 > > Testovano: 2.5.2005 21:07:37 > > avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov=E1 schr=E1nka 2000 MB >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0518-1, 02.05.2005 > Testovano: 3.5.2005 9:18:32 > avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at jikos.cz Tue May 3 19:04:16 2005 From: clock at jikos.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue May 3 19:05:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] UCT Message-ID: <20050503180416.GA12498@kestrel> UCT stands for "User Controlled Technology". Please tell your opinions regarding it's draft definition: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/UserControlledTechnology I felt that "Free technology" is a swampy term without clear meaning. I wanted to capture somehow exactly what Ronja is trying for (it is not limited to optical datalinks, nor hardware - it can be any appliance, software, or technology). I got idea about UCT and it sounds very clear to me. CL< From polous at katka.biz Sat May 7 12:58:37 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat May 7 12:58:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CSV for OpenOffice - OOffice localization bug In-Reply-To: <20050424112424.GA22511@kestrel> References: <20050424112424.GA22511@kestrel> Message-ID: <427CAD6D.2010009@katka.biz> I imported nebulus csv list into open office spread sheet with czech localization settings. But it sets 6.8 value of resistor to date format - 6.8.2005. Same problem is with other values like this one (number dot number). I know - everyone can correct it by him self, but it's bug. some solutions: * using english localized spread sheets. * add a letter after number (ie 3.3 -> 3.3R) * create two (more) versions of csv file and change decimal separator ( 3.3 -> 3,3) * add note, that czech localozation is not supported p0l0us Karel Kulhavy wrote: > Hello > > I have made that all modules have CSV partlist, both in EN and CZ. > > Example http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.csv > > You can get to them by clicking from the module pages. > > CL< > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat May 7 14:41:25 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat May 7 14:42:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CSV for OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <427CA691.2050100@katka.biz> References: <20050424112424.GA22511@kestrel> <426BE3F0.7070702@katka.biz> <20050425193346.GB4432@beton.cybernet.src> <427CA691.2050100@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050507134125.GA18778@kestrel> On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 01:29:21PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > Pokud by nekdo chtel soucet vsech soucastek na jeden model, najde ho > zatim zde: > ** I placed on this page, sumary of ronja partlist for each model (Rx, > Tx, PC interface) - like csv partlists on twibright These CSVs are already automatically generate by software, for all models: http://ronja.twibright.com/bom.php?mod=tetrapolis I have also published CSVs for Distrelec (a distributor of electronic components in Switzerland, Germany, etc.) - only for Twister and RX, on the wiki about getting electronic parts: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware > 2Clock: Pokud to udelas oficielne na strankach ronja.twibright.com, > tak to z ty wiki radsi smaz, je asi zbytecne aby to bylo dvakrat - > mohlo by to zmast uzivatele. Done - deleted. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sat May 7 14:54:10 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat May 7 14:55:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CSV for OpenOffice - OOffice localization bug In-Reply-To: <427CAD6D.2010009@katka.biz> References: <20050424112424.GA22511@kestrel> <427CAD6D.2010009@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050507135410.GB18778@kestrel> On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 01:58:37PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > I imported nebulus csv list into open office spread sheet with czech > localization settings. But it sets 6.8 value of resistor to date Is it possible to override the localization setting in the popup menu that pops up when you load a CSV into OpenOffice? I tried it for non-localized OpenOffice and it isn't. Where do you set the localization in OpenOffice? Anyway the problem will be when you load ANY file generated with dot as decimal separator into OpenOffice as CSV, won't it? I have added specification of field and decimal place delimiter into the automatically generated pages of Ronja talking about CSV. > format - 6.8.2005. Same problem is with other values like this one > (number dot number). I know - everyone can correct it by him self, but > it's bug. > > some solutions: > * using english localized spread sheets. > * add a letter after number (ie 3.3 -> 3.3R) > * create two (more) versions of csv file and change decimal separator > ( 3.3 -> 3,3) This will break the comma-separated-value file, won't it? Anyway, I could generate tab-separated-values file, which are generated directly by gnetlist, but this doesn't solve the problem with dot. > * add note, that czech localozation is not supported The Czech localization simply sucks. In some programs it broke PostScript output, because printf generate 1,4 instead of 1.4... So the first thing you usually do in a program is to turn off any localizations :) CL< From polous at katka.biz Sat May 7 16:27:54 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat May 7 16:28:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CSV for OpenOffice - OOffice localization bug In-Reply-To: <20050507135410.GB18778@kestrel> References: <20050424112424.GA22511@kestrel> <427CAD6D.2010009@katka.biz> <20050507135410.GB18778@kestrel> Message-ID: <427CDE7A.9000005@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 01:58:37PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > >> I imported nebulus csv list into open office spread sheet with >> czech localization settings. But it sets 6.8 value of resistor to >> date > > > Is it possible to override the localization setting in the popup > menu that pops up when you load a CSV into OpenOffice? I tried it > for non-localized OpenOffice and it isn't. > > Where do you set the localization in OpenOffice? not localization of OO, but locale setting of document: Menu: tool->options->language setting->languages > > Anyway the problem will be when you load ANY file generated with > dot as decimal separator into OpenOffice as CSV, won't it? > > I have added specification of field and decimal place delimiter > into the automatically generated pages of Ronja talking about CSV. > >> format - 6.8.2005. Same problem is with other values like this >> one (number dot number). I know - everyone can correct it by him >> self, but it's bug. >> >> some solutions: * using english localized spread sheets. * add a >> letter after number (ie 3.3 -> 3.3R) I think additional character like 3.3R or 1.5pF is the best solution. >> * create two (more) versions of csv file and change decimal >> separator ( 3.3 -> 3,3) ...... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCfN55Yo9JRD7EbFIRAlXwAJsHXlPW+d+SUFWY97bJQOvonGHtSACfQgQg LtImKIqSTKuVIJTr+NqWxr8= =rxFS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat May 7 18:03:13 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat May 7 18:02:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CSV for OpenOffice - OOffice localization bug In-Reply-To: <427CDE7A.9000005@katka.biz> References: <20050424112424.GA22511@kestrel> <20050507135410.GB18778@kestrel> <427CDE7A.9000005@katka.biz> Message-ID: <200505071903.14895.ladmanj@volny.cz> > I think additional character like 3.3R or 1.5pF is the best solution. Super correct is 3R3 or 1p5 :-P There is no comma. Jakub From clock at twibright.com Sat May 7 17:51:13 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat May 7 18:23:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CSV for OpenOffice - OOffice localization bug In-Reply-To: <427CDE7A.9000005@katka.biz> References: <20050424112424.GA22511@kestrel> <427CAD6D.2010009@katka.biz> <20050507135410.GB18778@kestrel> <427CDE7A.9000005@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050507165113.GA20565@kestrel> On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 05:27:54PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 01:58:37PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > > > >> I imported nebulus csv list into open office spread sheet with > >> czech localization settings. But it sets 6.8 value of resistor to > >> date > > > > > > Is it possible to override the localization setting in the popup > > menu that pops up when you load a CSV into OpenOffice? I tried it > > for non-localized OpenOffice and it isn't. > > > > Where do you set the localization in OpenOffice? > > not localization of OO, but locale setting of document: > > Menu: tool->options->language setting->languages I have tried it and it works. Then it's just a matter of setting this before opening the document. I have added note about this into FAQ. I wouldn't like to append R or F to component value, because: a) if additional fields like prices are included, it doesn't work anyway, b) This is problem of OpenOffice - it's incompatible with itself. I think the right solution is to let the users of OpenOffice change the setting and not change other systems which don't contain the problem. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sat May 7 18:28:46 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat May 7 18:30:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CSV for OpenOffice - OOffice localization bug In-Reply-To: <200505071903.14895.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20050424112424.GA22511@kestrel> <20050507135410.GB18778@kestrel> <427CDE7A.9000005@katka.biz> <200505071903.14895.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050507172846.GA21544@kestrel> On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 07:03:13PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > I think additional character like 3.3R or 1.5pF is the best solution. > Super correct is 3R3 or 1p5 :-P I used to use it some time ago and then people from America or where said they don't understand it :) CL< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat May 7 19:07:57 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat May 7 19:07:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CSV for OpenOffice - OOffice localization bug In-Reply-To: <20050507172846.GA21544@kestrel> References: <20050424112424.GA22511@kestrel> <200505071903.14895.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050507172846.GA21544@kestrel> Message-ID: <200505072007.59471.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Saturday 07 of May 2005 19:28, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 07:03:13PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > I think additional character like 3.3R or 1.5pF is the best solution. > > > > Super correct is 3R3 or 1p5 :-P > > I used to use it some time ago and then people from America or where > said they don't understand it :) Then they are really stupid. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From anmic at fmg.sk Sat May 7 21:36:06 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sat May 7 21:43:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI Message-ID: <001101c55345$60d99c10$3201a8c0@anmic> I've tested one Ronja Receiver and got strange RSSI. It shows about 60 mV even when no signal is there. All the testpoints are in the range. Reached no-packetloss distance is also good. I checked components inside and it seems to be OK, too. Is this behaviour normal or is there st. wrong? Thanks, anMic From phanumas at gmail.com Sun May 8 02:58:36 2005 From: phanumas at gmail.com (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Sun May 8 02:58:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] over 5km link distance, possible? Message-ID: <27cb65a00505071858398fe670@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ronja gurus, Do you think it is possible to extend the range of Ronja system to over 5km simply by using laser pointers? Well, there is no restriction by any law here in using laser. So, would the combination of Ronja and http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/laser.htm produce a very longer distance (> 5km) 10Mbps communication? Thanks in advance for your reply. Don From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun May 8 08:19:17 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun May 8 08:18:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy In-Reply-To: <200505031406.11453@centrum.cz> References: <200505031406.11453@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200505080919.18028.ladmanj@volny.cz> > > nikdy hejbat nebudes. hahaha, budes > > no jo, ale jednou to nastelovat potreujes. rozhodne mi tohle reseni pride > lepsi nez se snazit "vyfrezovat" drazku z boku trubky jo, ja osobne bych na tu zavitovku nasadil jeste nejakou vhodnou pruzinu a= =20 kotouce nasadil na nejakou vodici drazku. Nejakou matici s klickou aby se tim dobre tocilo a nemusel vruce prehazovat= =20 klic. Docela se mi to libi, po tom co jsem na tech strechach zazil, mi to nemuze= =20 nepripadat dulezite. Mam nekde nakresleny (na papire) reseni trochu podobny, ale bez kotoucu, al= e=20 uz si to ani presne nepamatuju. Musim to nekde vystrachat. Jakub > > ja sem ty kotoucky vystrihl z kuprextitu, takze sly fajne pripajet na > krabicku, kdyz to nesedelo tak sem to jednoduse na brusce doladil. > > > a i pilovani tech kotoucu je dost pracne pokud ti je > > > nekdo neudela masinou. ale nevim. > > > > Glo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Funky" > > To: "Michal Mal=F9=9Aek" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 6:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > > > > je to trochu nestandardni reseni, jsem zvedavy jak to bude fungovat.. > > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/08.jpg > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1v= a =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Od (From): "Michal Mal=F9=9Aek" > > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > > Kopie (Cc): > > P=F8edm=ECt (Subject): Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > Datum (Date): 2. 5. 2005 21:07 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D > > > > > co planujes prisroubovat k tem sroubum na skatulce? ve predu asi > > > > termalni > > > > > stit a co v zadu? > > > > > > Glo > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Funky" > > > To: "Cipis" > > > Cc: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:02 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > > > > > > > Dik, jsem asi slepej, prehlidl jsem ze se mi rozlomil jeden spoj. jak > > > > jsem > > > > > vymenoval BF988 tak jsem si delal misto a pritom sem to ulomil. > > > > > > DIK! > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D P=F9vodn=ED zpr= =E1va =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > Od (From): "Cipis" > > > Komu (To): "Funky" , "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > > Kopie (Cc): > > > P=F8edm=ECt (Subject): Re: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > Datum (Date): 2. 5. 2005 20:51 > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D > > > > > > > zkontroluj to od R111 doleva a dolu, dle schematu :-) > > > > mozna nemas R106, R105 pripojeny k R111 > > > > az po R111 to mas dobre, protoze ti sedi P105 > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Funky" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:37 PM > > > > Subject: [Ronja] problem s RX testpointy > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahoj, > > > > > > > > RX je podle navodu, testpointy jsou nasledujici: > > > > > > > > Point Measured should be min. should be max. > > > > P101 0 11,7 12,2 > > > > P102 0 3,5 4 > > > > P103 0 0 0,1 > > > > P104 0 5 6 > > > > P105 6 5,6 6,6 > > > > P106 5,7 5,6 6,6 > > > > P107 0 0 0 > > > > P108 11,2 10,9 11,3 > > > > P109 5,6 4,9 5,1 > > > > P110 12,2 11,5 12,5 > > > > > > > > > > > > asi je nejaka soucastka vadna, nenapada vas ktera ? (mozna je to > > > > hlopy dotaz, jsem elektrotechnicka lama) > > > > myslel jsem si ze je vadna BF988, ale kdyz jsem ji vymenil tak se n= ic > > > > nezmenilo. Pokud to pomuze tak fotky jsou zde: > > > > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/21.jpg > > > > http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/32.jpg > > > > > > > > Dik za radu, > > > > Jindra > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov=E1 schr=E1nka 2000 MB > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov=E1 schr=E1nka 2000 MB > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > > > Virova databaze (VPS): 0518-0, 02.05.2005 > > > Testovano: 2.5.2005 21:07:37 > > > avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. > > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov=E1 schr=E1nka 2000 MB > > > > > > > > --- > > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > > Virova databaze (VPS): 0518-1, 02.05.2005 > > Testovano: 3.5.2005 9:18:32 > > avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun May 8 12:03:12 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun May 8 12:05:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Compare Ronja component prices and order easily Message-ID: <20050508110312.GA12425@kestrel> Hello I have made a sophisticated databse system for component prices in Ronja using GNU GDBM hash database engine and Perl. The users can add their supplier into schematics/prices.csv using OpenOffice. Follow instructions at http://ronja.twibright.com/editing.php ("Entering prices"). If they then send me their file, I will merge it into the main database and just rerun "make", so it will appear almost immediately online. This way you will be able to compare which supplier has cheapest prices and the partlist will include * ORDER NUMBERS FOR ALL SUPPLIERS! * So what average user will have to do will be just multiply the quantity column in OpenOffice with required number and send by e-mail to online shop. I would like to ask people who have already ordered Ronja parts from their supplier and have the Excel or Openoffice files, to copy their data into this CSV file, if it's not much work for them. They will have a benefit that their order lists will then be automatically updated according to changes in Ronja for possible future orders :) Cheers, CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun May 8 15:26:05 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun May 8 15:28:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] over 5km link distance, possible? In-Reply-To: <27cb65a00505071858398fe670@mail.gmail.com> References: <27cb65a00505071858398fe670@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050508142605.GA11113@kestrel> On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 08:58:36AM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hi Ronja gurus, > > Do you think it is possible to extend the range of Ronja system to > over 5km simply by using laser pointers? Well, there is no restriction > by any law here in using laser. So, would the combination of Ronja and > http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/laser.htm produce a very longer > distance (> 5km) 10Mbps communication? 5km is definitely not possible with today's Ronja technology However as 5W Luxeons are available, it will be maybe possible with A4-paper format fresnel lenses in near future. Seems like these sources perform better than lasers thanks to their wide angle and lack of coherence. Also lower source surface brightness adds to eye security. 5W Luxeon is a LED that is rated for DC current of 0.7A (some Luxeon III's even 1A). Quite impressive ;-) CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun May 8 15:27:32 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun May 8 15:29:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <001101c55345$60d99c10$3201a8c0@anmic> References: <001101c55345$60d99c10$3201a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <20050508142732.GA11156@kestrel> On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 10:36:06PM +0200, anMic wrote: > I've tested one Ronja Receiver and got strange RSSI. It shows about 60 mV > even when no signal is there. All the testpoints are in the range. Reached > no-packetloss distance is also good. I checked components inside and it > seems to be OK, too. Is this behaviour normal or is there st. wrong? It's probably normal. The guide shouldn't say it's wrong. Did you find any place where it looks like 60mW without signal is wrong? CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun May 8 18:15:57 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun May 8 18:18:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] over 5km link distance, possible? In-Reply-To: <27cb65a005050807585603b6d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <27cb65a00505071858398fe670@mail.gmail.com> <20050508142605.GA11113@kestrel> <27cb65a005050807585603b6d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050508171557.GA16980@kestrel> On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 09:58:52PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > But is such 5W Luxeon fast enough for 10Mbps? I don't know. Just hope it is :) I have one "ordinary" (1W) luxeon for experiments here, but at the moment am doing economics-bureaucracy called automatic partlist generation and didn't yet look at it. HSDL4220 wasn't fast enough, and we made it work fast enough on Nebulus development ;-) CL< From cd930 at centrum.cz Sun May 8 18:46:25 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sun May 8 18:46:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] over 5km link distance, possible? Message-ID: <200505081946.5150@centrum.cz> Maybe http://www.kuhne-electronic.de/english/db6nt.htm with 106km ODX= =2E I tested laser 10mW in AM on 14km. But only with 20cm fresnel lenses in RX. Martin OK1MJO -=3DRYS=3D- ______________________________________________________________ > Od: clock@twibright.com > Komu: Phanumas Khumsat , Twibright Ronja > CC:=20 > Datum: 08.05.2005 16:28 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] over 5km link distance, possible? > > On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 08:58:36AM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > > Hi Ronja gurus, > >=20 > > Do you think it is possible to extend the range of Ronja system to > > over 5km simply by using laser pointers? Well, there is no restrict= ion > > by any law here in using laser. So, would the combination of Ronja = and > > http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/laser.htm produce a very longer > > distance (> 5km) 10Mbps communication? >=20 > 5km is definitely not possible with today's Ronja technology >=20 > However as 5W Luxeons are available, it will be maybe possible with > A4-paper format fresnel lenses in near future. Seems like these sourc= es > perform better than lasers thanks to their wide angle and lack of > coherence. Also lower source surface brightness adds to eye security. >=20 > 5W Luxeon is a LED that is rated for DC current of 0.7A (some Luxeon > III's even 1A). Quite impressive ;-) >=20 > CL< >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 From anmic at fmg.sk Mon May 9 20:22:51 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Mon May 9 20:23:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI References: <001101c55345$60d99c10$3201a8c0@anmic> <20050508142732.GA11156@kestrel> Message-ID: <003e01c554cc$819033a0$3201a8c0@anmic> > > I've tested one Ronja Receiver and got strange RSSI. It shows about 60 mV > > even when no signal is there. All the testpoints are in the range. Reached > > no-packetloss distance is also good. I checked components inside and it > > seems to be OK, too. Is this behaviour normal or is there st. wrong? > > It's probably normal. The guide shouldn't say it's wrong. Did you find > any place where it looks like 60mW without signal is wrong? > > CL< > You're right. The guide doesn't say anything like that. In the testpoint table there is written "P107 min.: 0V no signal", so I thought there should be 0 mV RSSI during no signal receiving. Perhaps it confused me. Sorry. anMic From Funky at seznam.cz Wed May 11 16:07:03 2005 From: Funky at seznam.cz (Funky) Date: Wed May 11 16:07:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] nebulus testpointy Message-ID: <2381.3187-4199-476708044-1115824023@seznam.cz> Ahoj, jakz takz se mi podarilo doladit RX, ale nevim si rady s vysilacem Point Measured Should be P1 0.00 0.0 P2 5.50 5.2 P3 5.00 4.5 P4 5.40 5.2 P5 10.20 Undef. P6 2.20 6.0 P7 4.80 6.0 P8 2.30 0.00 P9 0.60 0.70 Zkousel jsem vymenovat R9 za R12 - R15, ale P6,7 a 8 se temer nezmenily. mozna mam spatne ty kondenzatory u tech IO ? Dik za kazdou radu http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/49.jpg http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/50.jpg http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/51.jpg http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/52.jpg ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From clock at twibright.com Wed May 11 18:16:55 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed May 11 19:00:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] nebulus testpointy In-Reply-To: <2381.3187-4199-476708044-1115824023@seznam.cz> References: <2381.3187-4199-476708044-1115824023@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050511171655.GC8272@kestrel.twibright.com> On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 05:07:03PM +0200, Funky wrote: > Ahoj, > > jakz takz se mi podarilo doladit RX, ale nevim si rady s vysilacem > > Point Measured Should be > P1 0.00 0.0 > P2 5.50 5.2 > P3 5.00 4.5 > P4 5.40 5.2 > P5 10.20 Undef. > P6 2.20 6.0 > P7 4.80 6.0 > P8 2.30 0.00 > P9 0.60 0.70 > > Zkousel jsem vymenovat R9 za R12 - R15, ale P6,7 a 8 se temer nezmenily. > mozna mam spatne ty kondenzatory u tech IO ? > Dik za kazdou radu I didn't look at the numbers yet - but from the photos it seems you don't use enough rosin flux, and the surface of the tin is wrinkled and cracked. Re-melt the ugliest points with rosin first, maybe some of them is just invisibly cracked. CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed May 11 20:53:34 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed May 11 20:56:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] nebulus testpointy In-Reply-To: <2381.3187-4199-476708044-1115824023@seznam.cz> References: <2381.3187-4199-476708044-1115824023@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050511195334.GA9759@kestrel.twibright.com> On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 05:07:03PM +0200, Funky wrote: > Ahoj, > > jakz takz se mi podarilo doladit RX, ale nevim si rady s vysilacem > > Point Measured Should be > P1 0.00 0.0 > P2 5.50 5.2 > P3 5.00 4.5 > P4 5.40 5.2 > P5 10.20 Undef. > P6 2.20 6.0 > P7 4.80 6.0 > P8 2.30 0.00 > P9 0.60 0.70 The tespoints seem to be OK. The "should be values" are suspicious - didn't you take it from the Metropolis TX? Does the Nebulus aready work? CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed May 11 21:10:25 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed May 11 21:12:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <003e01c554cc$819033a0$3201a8c0@anmic> References: <001101c55345$60d99c10$3201a8c0@anmic> <20050508142732.GA11156@kestrel> <003e01c554cc$819033a0$3201a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <20050511201025.GA10030@kestrel.twibright.com> On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 09:22:51PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > > I've tested one Ronja Receiver and got strange RSSI. It shows about 60 > mV > > > even when no signal is there. All the testpoints are in the range. > Reached > > > no-packetloss distance is also good. I checked components inside and it > > > seems to be OK, too. Is this behaviour normal or is there st. wrong? > > > > It's probably normal. The guide shouldn't say it's wrong. Did you find > > any place where it looks like 60mW without signal is wrong? > > > > CL< > > > > You're right. The guide doesn't say anything like that. In the testpoint > table there is written "P107 min.: 0V no signal", so I thought there > should be 0 mV RSSI during no signal receiving. Perhaps it confused > me. Sorry. Thanks. This is a bug. I have fixed it. I have written there that something like 60mV may be there, depends piece to piece. CL< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed May 11 22:30:27 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed May 11 22:32:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <20050511201025.GA10030@kestrel.twibright.com> References: <003e01c554cc$819033a0$3201a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <42829593.3708.633FEC@localhost> > On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 09:22:51PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > > > I've tested one Ronja Receiver and got strange RSSI. It shows about 60 > > mV > > > > even when no signal is there. All the testpoints are in the range. > > Reached > > > > no-packetloss distance is also good. I checked components inside and it > > > > seems to be OK, too. Is this behaviour normal or is there st. wrong? > > > > > > It's probably normal. The guide shouldn't say it's wrong. Did you find > > > any place where it looks like 60mW without signal is wrong? > > > > > > CL< > > > > > > > You're right. The guide doesn't say anything like that. In the testpoint > > table there is written "P107 min.: 0V no signal", so I thought there > > should be 0 mV RSSI during no signal receiving. Perhaps it confused > > me. Sorry. > > Thanks. This is a bug. I have fixed it. I have written there that > something like 60mV may be there, depends piece to piece. > > CL< Bug je v primaci, mela by tam byt nula (+-jednotka milivoltu). Pokud je tam neco jineho, tak v originale vrabcim hnizde je pricina bud ze cip fotodiody vykukuje z krabice nebo pronika nejake ruseni skrz napajeni (tech par zavitu dratu nestaci). Taky muze byt problem kolem tranzistoru MOSFET, ale to pak je RSSI bez signalu v radech stovek milivoltu. Petr From Funky at seznam.cz Wed May 11 23:02:06 2005 From: Funky at seznam.cz (Funky) Date: Wed May 11 23:02:09 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20nebulus=20testpointy?= In-Reply-To: <20050511195334.GA9759@kestrel.twibright.com> Message-ID: <2424.2720-22914-509868120-1115848926@seznam.cz> Nebulus works (The LED shines), but the range is only about 8cm Sorry about the "Should be" values, they are from "Nebulus DC without signal at CON1" table, I have pasted a wrong one. I will try to improve the joints as you have suggested. Funky ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhavy" Komu (To): "Funky" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] nebulus testpointy Datum (Date): 11. 5. 2005 21:53 ================================================== > On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 05:07:03PM +0200, Funky wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > jakz takz se mi podarilo doladit RX, ale nevim si rady s vysilacem > > > > Point Measured Should be > > P1 0.00 0.0 > > P2 5.50 5.2 > > P3 5.00 4.5 > > P4 5.40 5.2 > > P5 10.20 Undef. > > P6 2.20 6.0 > > P7 4.80 6.0 > > P8 2.30 0.00 > > P9 0.60 0.70 > > The tespoints seem to be OK. The "should be values" are suspicious > - didn't you take it from the Metropolis TX? > > Does the Nebulus aready work? > > CL< ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From clock at twibright.com Thu May 12 10:45:04 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu May 12 11:21:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <42829593.3708.633FEC@localhost> References: <003e01c554cc$819033a0$3201a8c0@anmic> <42829593.3708.633FEC@localhost> Message-ID: <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> > Bug je v primaci, mela by tam byt nula (+-jednotka milivoltu). Pokud > je tam neco jineho, tak v originale vrabcim hnizde je pricina bud ze Are you sure it's a bug? If there is ambient lighting, the RX catches noise from the light and it's seen as RSSI. CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu May 12 10:43:41 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu May 12 11:26:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] nebulus testpointy In-Reply-To: <2424.2720-22914-509868120-1115848926@seznam.cz> References: <20050511195334.GA9759@kestrel.twibright.com> <2424.2720-22914-509868120-1115848926@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050512094341.GC1057@kestrel> On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 12:02:06AM +0200, Funky wrote: > Nebulus works (The LED shines), but the range is only about 8cm Are you sure the faulty piece is Nebulus and not the RX? CL< > Sorry about the "Should be" values, they are from "Nebulus DC without signal at CON1" table, I have pasted a wrong one. > I will try to improve the joints as you have suggested. > > Funky > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Karel Kulhavy" > Komu (To): "Funky" , "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] nebulus testpointy > Datum (Date): 11. 5. 2005 21:53 > ================================================== > > > On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 05:07:03PM +0200, Funky wrote: > > > Ahoj, > > > > > > jakz takz se mi podarilo doladit RX, ale nevim si rady s vysilacem > > > > > > Point Measured Should be > > > P1 0.00 0.0 > > > P2 5.50 5.2 > > > P3 5.00 4.5 > > > P4 5.40 5.2 > > > P5 10.20 Undef. > > > P6 2.20 6.0 > > > P7 4.80 6.0 > > > P8 2.30 0.00 > > > P9 0.60 0.70 > > > > The tespoints seem to be OK. The "should be values" are suspicious > > - didn't you take it from the Metropolis TX? > > > > Does the Nebulus aready work? > > > > CL< > > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri May 13 17:50:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri May 13 17:53:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] [jiri_kovar@centrum.cz: ronja] Message-ID: <20050513165042.GA8877@kestrel> ----- Forwarded message from Ji?? Kov?? ----- Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:25:20 +0200 From: Ji?? Kov?? To: ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net Subject: ronja X-Mailer: Centrum Mail 1.0 hled?m n?koho kdo stav? tyto poj?tka ronja s pozdravem Ji?? Kov?? ----- End forwarded message ----- CL< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri May 13 19:16:28 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri May 13 19:16:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> References: <003e01c554cc$819033a0$3201a8c0@anmic> <42829593.3708.633FEC@localhost> <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> Message-ID: <1116008188.4284eefc87b94@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhavy : > > Bug je v primaci, mela by tam byt nula (+-jednotka milivoltu). Pokud > > je tam neco jineho, tak v originale vrabcim hnizde je pricina bud ze > > Are you sure it's a bug? > > If there is ambient lighting, the RX catches noise from the light and > it's seen as RSSI. > > CL< No, akorat se me nezda, ze to sumi na VKV FM a III TV pasmu. Mereno spektrakem na vystupu mosfetu. BTW: Osadil jsem uz podstatnou cast mych novych SMD RX a pokud do toho sviti slunicko nebo zarovky, tak RSSI ukazuje porad max. jednotky milivoltu, proto se me to nezda. Dokonce i na strese pri pohledu do kraje to ukazuje nulu. Petr From anmic at fmg.sk Fri May 13 22:58:37 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Fri May 13 23:00:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI References: <003e01c554cc$819033a0$3201a8c0@anmic><42829593.3708.633FEC@localhost> <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> Message-ID: <003701c55807$192cd0f0$0101a8c0@anmic> > > Bug je v primaci, mela by tam byt nula (+-jednotka milivoltu). Pokud > > je tam neco jineho, tak v originale vrabcim hnizde je pricina bud ze > > Are you sure it's a bug? > > If there is ambient lighting, the RX catches noise from the light and > it's seen as RSSI. > > CL< I think there was low ambient lightning during testing. Yesterday I tested it again. I wrapped the RX in an aluminum foil to ensure no interferential ambient lightning and good shielding, but the RSSI remained the same (about 56 mV). anMic From Funky at seznam.cz Fri May 13 23:36:05 2005 From: Funky at seznam.cz (Funky) Date: Fri May 13 23:36:09 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Fwd=3A=20Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20nebulus=20testpointy?= Message-ID: <2416.3150-29660-1960495143-1116023765@seznam.cz> ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Vlo?en? zpr?v byla odstran?na... Od: Funky Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20nebulus=20testpointy?= Datum: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:16:01 +0200 (CEST) Velikost: 3588 Url: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050514/8935e43c/attachment.eml From rasken at centrum.cz Fri May 13 23:37:58 2005 From: rasken at centrum.cz (rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Fri May 13 23:38:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] [jiri_kovar@centrum.cz: ronja] Message-ID: <200505140037.24205@centrum.cz> Zdarec. Delam elektroniku, muzu ti ju postacit, i s dokladem pokud budes potreb= ovat. Mechaniku zatim ne, ale chystam se i na tu, jen to chce vyc volneho cas= u. Rasken <=20 < hled=E1m n=ECkoho kdo stav=ED tyto poj=EDtka ronja s pozdravem Ji=F8=ED= Kov=E1=F8 <=20 <=20 < ----- End forwarded message ----- <=20 < CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun May 15 14:58:20 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun May 15 15:01:38 2005 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Ronja] nebulus testpointy In-Reply-To: <2416.3150-29660-1960495143-1116023765@seznam.cz> References: <2416.3150-29660-1960495143-1116023765@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050515135820.GA993@kestrel> On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 12:36:05AM +0200, Funky wrote: > > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB > Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:16:01 +0200 (CEST) > From: Funky > To: Karel Kulhavy > Subject: Re: [Ronja] nebulus testpointy > > Diky za rady, uz to funguje > > Opravil jsem spoje v TX, ale hodnoty testpointu se prilis nezmenily. > Pak jsem zkusil dat Tx na stul a zrcadlem odrazit paprsek do RX, coz > se mi povedlo, nejdal jsem se dostal na 2m, dal uz jsem nemohl protoze > sem stal u zdi :-). Predtim jsem to testoval jen na koberci, takze > mozna to bylo tim. Zkusil jsem kompletni spoj bez cocek a dosahl jsem > vzdalenosti 2.3m pri 0% packetloss. So do you know what the problem was in? 2.3m distance seems to be good. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun May 15 19:21:44 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun May 15 19:25:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Manufacturing Ronjas Message-ID: <20050515182144.GB10758@kestrel> Hello I think it's time someone started seriously manufacturing Ronjas in large quantities so that we could buy them conveniently in supermarket ;-) http://zidenice.brno-czfree.net/img/ronja/11.jpg CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun May 15 19:22:25 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun May 15 19:25:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <1116008188.4284eefc87b94@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <003e01c554cc$819033a0$3201a8c0@anmic> <42829593.3708.633FEC@localhost> <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> <1116008188.4284eefc87b94@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20050515182225.GA10747@kestrel> On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 08:16:28PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Quoting Karel Kulhavy : > > > > Bug je v primaci, mela by tam byt nula (+-jednotka milivoltu). Pokud > > > je tam neco jineho, tak v originale vrabcim hnizde je pricina bud ze > > > > Are you sure it's a bug? > > > > If there is ambient lighting, the RX catches noise from the light and > > it's seen as RSSI. > > > > CL< > > No, akorat se me nezda, ze to sumi na VKV FM a III TV pasmu. Mereno spektrakem > na vystupu mosfetu. > BTW: Osadil jsem uz podstatnou cast mych novych SMD RX a pokud do toho sviti > slunicko nebo zarovky, tak RSSI ukazuje porad max. jednotky milivoltu, proto se > me to nezda. Dokonce i na strese pri pohledu do kraje to ukazuje nulu. I have seen the PCB and they are unfortunately unusable, because have the photodiode on the wrong side of the rectangle, are with different connectors etc. and are not made in PCB for me to be able to edit them. CL< From anmic at fmg.sk Sun May 15 20:47:52 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sun May 15 20:49:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] nebulus testpointy References: <2416.3150-29660-1960495143-1116023765@seznam.cz> <20050515135820.GA993@kestrel> Message-ID: <000801c55987$25ed8fb0$0101a8c0@anmic> > > mozna to bylo tim. Zkusil jsem kompletni spoj bez cocek a dosahl jsem > > vzdalenosti 2.3m pri 0% packetloss. > > So do you know what the problem was in? > > 2.3m distance seems to be good. > > CL< Do you mean RX <--2.3 m--> TX or RX+TX <--2.3--> mirror? anMic From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon May 16 08:44:32 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon May 16 08:47:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <20050515182225.GA10747@kestrel> References: <1116008188.4284eefc87b94@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42886B80.9224.3BA663@localhost> On 15 May 2005 at 20:22, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 08:16:28PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Quoting Karel Kulhavy : > > > > > > Bug je v primaci, mela by tam byt nula (+-jednotka milivoltu). Pokud > > > > je tam neco jineho, tak v originale vrabcim hnizde je pricina bud ze > > > > > > Are you sure it's a bug? > > > > > > If there is ambient lighting, the RX catches noise from the light and > > > it's seen as RSSI. > > > > > > CL< > > > > No, akorat se me nezda, ze to sumi na VKV FM a III TV pasmu. Mereno spektrakem > > na vystupu mosfetu. > > > > BTW: Osadil jsem uz podstatnou cast mych novych SMD RX a pokud do toho sviti > > slunicko nebo zarovky, tak RSSI ukazuje porad max. jednotky milivoltu, proto se > > me to nezda. Dokonce i na strese pri pohledu do kraje to ukazuje nulu. > > I have seen the PCB and they are unfortunately unusable, because have > the photodiode on the wrong side of the rectangle, are with different How do you discriminate wrong and right side of rectangle? I can?t. I have choosen /IMHO/ the best serviceable PIN placement option. > connectors etc. and are not made in PCB for me to be able to edit them. BNC connectors are only option there are also holes for direct comfortable mounting of coaxial cables. However not pictured yet. As for editing PCB - you can. After I finish testing I will release necessary files for Eagle (I am plannig some minor changes). PCB itself fits fairly in freeware version of Eagle which can be downloaded from http://www.cadsoft.de/freeware.htm However I hope there is no reason to edit it due to it is working fairly well. Petr > > CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon May 16 09:18:26 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 16 09:21:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <003701c55807$192cd0f0$0101a8c0@anmic> References: <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> <003701c55807$192cd0f0$0101a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <20050516081826.GA14165@kestrel> On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 11:58:37PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > > Bug je v primaci, mela by tam byt nula (+-jednotka milivoltu). Pokud > > > je tam neco jineho, tak v originale vrabcim hnizde je pricina bud ze > > > > Are you sure it's a bug? > > > > If there is ambient lighting, the RX catches noise from the light and > > it's seen as RSSI. > > > > CL< > > > I think there was low ambient lightning during testing. Yesterday I tested > it again. I wrapped the RX in an aluminum foil to ensure no interferential > ambient lightning and good shielding, but the RSSI remained the same (about > 56 mV). What capacitors do you have for C153 and C154 (capacity and type: wire/smd)? What voltage is on G1 (millivolts)? CL< From Funky at seznam.cz Mon May 16 12:03:18 2005 From: Funky at seznam.cz (Funky) Date: Mon May 16 12:03:31 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20nebulus=20testpointy?= In-Reply-To: <000801c55987$25ed8fb0$0101a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <2438.3134-5568-2102751828-1116241398@seznam.cz> RX <--2.3 m--> TX ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "anMic" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] nebulus testpointy Datum (Date): 15. 5. 2005 21:47 ================================================== > > > mozna to bylo tim. Zkusil jsem kompletni spoj bez cocek a dosahl jsem > > > vzdalenosti 2.3m pri 0% packetloss. > > > > So do you know what the problem was in? > > > > 2.3m distance seems to be good. > > > > CL< > > Do you mean > RX <--2.3 m--> TX > or RX+TX <--2.3--> mirror? > > anMic > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From clock at twibright.com Mon May 16 16:28:50 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 16 16:32:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: verze Ronja In-Reply-To: <4288800E.000001.22263@update.email.atc> References: <4288800E.000001.22263@update.email.atc> Message-ID: <20050516152850.GA10497@kestrel.twibright.com> On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 01:12:14PM +0200, tomas.volynsky@email.cz wrote: > Zdravim, Karle:) > Nejakou dobu jsem nesledoval vyvoj Ronji,tak mam dotaz: Je starsi > verze AUI interface (10/2002) kompatibilni s novou verzi prijimace > (10/2004)? (Jsou zmeneny hodnoty vazebnich kapacit, tak se ptam).A Yes it is. > pak, nemas jeste nejaky LEDky na prodej? [...] Look here http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaElectronics CL< From djwarpcut at web.de Mon May 16 18:29:38 2005 From: djwarpcut at web.de (Sbstn Blm) Date: Mon May 16 19:57:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Inferno References: <4288800E.000001.22263@update.email.atc> <20050516152850.GA10497@kestrel.twibright.com> Message-ID: <000801c55a49$0695f310$0100a8c0@blume1> Hello guy, I'm interested in building a Ronja Inferno. Therefore I have to set some questions: 1) What means UTP? Is it possible then that a Client connects into a Server although the network is shared by Ronja? 2) Would you recommend using PCBs for building? Is it easier for a not so specialized hobby worker? 3) For a distance of 200 meter, are there any optical devices necessary therefore when it's raining the communication not will be disturbed? Do I have to care for anything else? Thank you Sebastian Blume Leipzig, Germany (19 y.o.) (will studying computer science this year) www.djwarpcut.de.vu From clock at twibright.com Mon May 16 20:52:38 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 16 21:23:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <42886B80.9224.3BA663@localhost> References: <1116008188.4284eefc87b94@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42886B80.9224.3BA663@localhost> Message-ID: <20050516195238.GA17027@kestrel> > > I have seen the PCB and they are unfortunately unusable, because have > > the photodiode on the wrong side of the rectangle, are with different > > How do you discriminate wrong and right side of rectangle? I can?t. > I have choosen /IMHO/ the best serviceable PIN placement option. The mechanics is designed for PIN on the longer side. If you put it this way, it won't fit, because is longer. > > > connectors etc. and are not made in PCB for me to be able to edit them. > > BNC connectors are only option there are also holes for direct > comfortable mounting of coaxial cables. However not pictured yet. > > As for editing PCB - you can. After I finish testing I will release necessary files for > Eagle (I am plannig some minor changes). PCB itself fits fairly in > freeware version of > Eagle which can be downloaded from http://www.cadsoft.de/freeware.htm Freeware is unofrtunately not enough. It must be free software to be usable for Ronja. CL< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon May 16 21:49:44 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon May 16 21:52:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <20050516195238.GA17027@kestrel> References: <42886B80.9224.3BA663@localhost> Message-ID: <42892388.4326.90F793@localhost> On 16 May 2005 at 21:52, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > I have seen the PCB and they are unfortunately unusable, because have > > > the photodiode on the wrong side of the rectangle, are with different > > > > How do you discriminate wrong and right side of rectangle? I can?t. > > I have choosen /IMHO/ the best serviceable PIN placement option. > > The mechanics is designed for PIN on the longer side. If you put it this > way, it won't fit, because is longer. > Aha, my priority was place one size of RX into tubes with diameter from 75 to 125mm original design doesn?t fitted into smallest one so on. However this configuration offers better isolation between input and output and so it works well w/o shielding. > > > > > connectors etc. and are not made in PCB for me to be able to edit them. > > > > BNC connectors are only option there are also holes for direct > > comfortable mounting of coaxial cables. However not pictured yet. > > > > > As for editing PCB - you can. After I finish testing I will release necessary files for > > Eagle (I am plannig some minor changes). PCB itself fits fairly in > > freeware version of > > Eagle which can be downloaded from http://www.cadsoft.de/freeware.htm > > Freeware is unofrtunately not enough. It must be free software to be > usable for Ronja. > > CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue May 17 08:20:18 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue May 17 08:23:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Inferno In-Reply-To: <000801c55a49$0695f310$0100a8c0@blume1> References: <4288800E.000001.22263@update.email.atc> <20050516152850.GA10497@kestrel.twibright.com> <000801c55a49$0695f310$0100a8c0@blume1> Message-ID: <20050517072018.GA21506@kestrel> On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 07:29:38PM +0200, Sbstn Blm wrote: > Hello guy, > > I'm interested in building a Ronja Inferno. Therefore I have to set some > questions: > 1) What means UTP? Is it possible then that a Client connects into a Server > although the network is shared by Ronja? UTP is the wire nowadays used for computer networks (or you can use STP which is shielded, this is even better). > 2) Would you recommend using PCBs for building? Is it easier for a not so > specialized hobby worker? I would recommend using official PCBs for Twister and airwire for RX and TX. Twister PCB can be obtained from ronjashop.com for cheap price by mail order. However TX PCB is prepared for release: http://ronja.twibright.com/get_better.php > 3) For a distance of 200 meter, are there any optical devices necessary > therefore when it's raining the communication not will be disturbed? No. > > Do I have to care for anything else? No ;-) Cool stereo ;-) http://www.performance-trader.com/djwarpcut//inhalte/oldschool/grafik/grandmasterflash.jpg (ahhh, grandmaster flash - I think I have read about him something on Wikipedia ;-) ) CL< > > Thank you > Sebastian Blume > Leipzig, Germany (19 y.o.) > (will studying computer science this year) > www.djwarpcut.de.vu From boza2 at volny.cz Wed May 18 10:34:46 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed May 18 11:04:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ubytek napeti na kabelech Message-ID: <549642145.20050518113446@volny.cz> Zdravim, byl jsem instalovat jeden spoj (zatim jednu stranu) a jsou tam tubusy na strese, Twister dole a mezi tim 30m koaxu. Neco jako RG58, nevim presne typ, Nicmene nahore je napeti jen 9.3V ! Coz mi prijde dost malo. No on je to spoj na 300m, takze to treba pujde, uvidim, az rozsvitim i druhou stranu. Jen se ptam, jestli jste se s tim uz nekdo nesetkal a neresil to. Diky Ondra From jiri_kovar at centrum.cz Wed May 18 13:37:44 2005 From: jiri_kovar at centrum.cz ( =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ji=F8=ED?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Kov=E1=F8?=) Date: Wed May 18 13:37:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ubytek napeti na kabelech Message-ID: <200505181437.31267@centrum.cz> hele delka koaxu neni moc dobr=E1 lep=9A=ED to je kdy=9E to zkr=E1t=ED=9A= a d=E1=9A twister do vodot=ECsn=E9 krabice a zbytek nat=E1hne=9A TP Jirka ______________________________________________________________ > Od: boza2@volny.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 18.05.2005 12:05 > P=F8edm=ECt: [Ronja] ubytek napeti na kabelech > > Zdravim, > byl jsem instalovat jeden spoj (zatim jednu stranu) a jsou tam tubusy > na strese, Twister dole a mezi tim 30m koaxu. Neco jako RG58, nevim > presne typ, Nicmene nahore je napeti jen 9.3V ! Coz mi prijde dost > malo. No on je to spoj na 300m, takze to treba pujde, uvidim, az > rozsvitim i druhou stranu. > Jen se ptam, jestli jste se s tim uz nekdo nesetkal a neresil to. >=20 > Diky Ondra >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 From clock at twibright.com Wed May 18 14:03:26 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed May 18 14:07:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ubytek napeti na kabelech In-Reply-To: <549642145.20050518113446@volny.cz> References: <549642145.20050518113446@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050518130326.GA13227@kestrel> On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 11:34:46AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > byl jsem instalovat jeden spoj (zatim jednu stranu) a jsou tam tubusy > na strese, Twister dole a mezi tim 30m koaxu. Neco jako RG58, nevim > presne typ, Nicmene nahore je napeti jen 9.3V ! Coz mi prijde dost > malo. No on je to spoj na 300m, takze to treba pujde, uvidim, az > rozsvitim i druhou stranu. > Jen se ptam, jestli jste se s tim uz nekdo nesetkal a neresil to. What's the voltage down? And are you using shields for feeding or some own constructions? Are you using wire nuts or some connectors that could have bad contact and voltage drop? Anyway we tested Ronja with Macros and it ran on 9V on 800m without packetloss :) ;-) CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed May 18 14:04:52 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed May 18 14:08:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ubytek napeti na kabelech In-Reply-To: <549642145.20050518113446@volny.cz> References: <549642145.20050518113446@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050518130452.GB13227@kestrel> On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 11:34:46AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > byl jsem instalovat jeden spoj (zatim jednu stranu) a jsou tam tubusy > na strese, Twister dole a mezi tim 30m koaxu. Neco jako RG58, nevim > presne typ, Nicmene nahore je napeti jen 9.3V ! Coz mi prijde dost > malo. No on je to spoj na 300m, takze to treba pujde, uvidim, az > rozsvitim i druhou stranu. > Jen se ptam, jestli jste se s tim uz nekdo nesetkal a neresil to. Are you feeding one Ronja with the coaxial pair? Are you feeding heating from the coax too? Are you feeding some additional measurement stuff like revolter from the coax? CL< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu May 19 07:45:52 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Thu May 19 07:45:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ubytek napeti na kabelech References: <549642145.20050518113446@volny.cz> Message-ID: <001c01c55c3e$6681fd90$0103450a@thechosen> nejlepsi je dat twistera nahoru, k nemu tahnout jen tp, v nem i napajeni, cpat tam treba 40V stridavych a nahore menic a mas po problemu. tahat to tema koaxama je podle me pekna cunarna. takhle sem udelal jednu ronju a porad si u ni lidi stezujou ze to neco rusi, dalsi uz to nemaj a tam je klid, tak nevim cim to je. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: [Ronja] ubytek napeti na kabelech > Zdravim, > byl jsem instalovat jeden spoj (zatim jednu stranu) a jsou tam tubusy > na strese, Twister dole a mezi tim 30m koaxu. Neco jako RG58, nevim > presne typ, Nicmene nahore je napeti jen 9.3V ! Coz mi prijde dost > malo. No on je to spoj na 300m, takze to treba pujde, uvidim, az > rozsvitim i druhou stranu. > Jen se ptam, jestli jste se s tim uz nekdo nesetkal a neresil to. > > Diky Ondra > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0520-2, 18.05.2005 Testovano: 19.5.2005 8:45:53 avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From clock at twibright.com Thu May 19 14:36:55 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu May 19 14:40:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ubytek napeti na kabelech In-Reply-To: <001c01c55c3e$6681fd90$0103450a@thechosen> References: <549642145.20050518113446@volny.cz> <001c01c55c3e$6681fd90$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20050519133655.GA8834@kestrel.twibright.com> On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 08:45:52AM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > nejlepsi je dat twistera nahoru, k nemu tahnout jen tp, v nem i napajeni, > cpat tam treba 40V stridavych a nahore menic a mas po problemu. tahat to > tema koaxama je podle me pekna cunarna. takhle sem udelal jednu ronju a > porad si u ni lidi stezujou ze to neco rusi, dalsi uz to nemaj a tam je Let them not complain to you, but here (provided that the relevant parts are according to the guide, of course). CL< From kucik at net22.cz Thu May 19 16:05:53 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Thu May 19 16:01:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] funkcni spoj Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> Chtel bych ohlasit funkcni spoj http://elf.libcice.czf/mrtg/elf_dru_response.html vramci site http://libcice.net ve meste Lib?ice nad Vltavou. vzdalenost: 474 m dle czfree monitoru Cocky: 90mm Elektronika: Airwire Interface: AUI forte LED: HPWT-BD00-F4000 nonstd. holder. - muzu dodat nakresy Foto snad dodam v budoucnu Thx Kucik From clock at twibright.com Fri May 20 19:42:59 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri May 20 19:46:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] funkcni spoj In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050520184259.GA23321@kestrel> On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 05:05:53PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > Chtel bych ohlasit funkcni spoj > http://elf.libcice.czf/mrtg/elf_dru_response.html vramci site > http://libcice.net ve meste Lib?ice nad Vltavou. > vzdalenost: 474 m dle czfree monitoru > Cocky: 90mm > Elektronika: Airwire > Interface: AUI forte > LED: HPWT-BD00-F4000 > nonstd. holder. - muzu dodat nakresy > Foto snad dodam v budoucnu Is anyone please able to mirror/tunnel out the traffic graphs or what is supposed to be on the .czf private network so they are publicly viewable? I could put a link to them into the gallery. I have put the track already into the gallery (I would like to see 100 tracks ;-) ) BTW Nice photos of node views :) We don't have .czf here in Zurich (though we have free network connectivity almost everywhere - people just plug in their Netgear wireless box, and one doesn't need to set up anything - just open your notebook and it works :) And if you want to play with the box, the login is admin and password is "password" ;-) ) Are you sure you are having HPWT-BD00-F4000 and not HPWT-BH00-F4000? If yes, I would be interested in knowing who to buy them from (if he's able to show reasonable proof they are really BD00-F4000). CL< From anmic at fmg.sk Fri May 20 21:28:37 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Fri May 20 21:29:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI References: <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel><003701c55807$192cd0f0$0101a8c0@anmic> <20050516081826.GA14165@kestrel> Message-ID: <000d01c55d7a$9bf5d5e0$0201a8c0@anmic> > What capacitors do you have for C153 and C154 (capacity and type: > wire/smd)? The receiver is built according to the schematic: C153 - 100n C154 - 1n All components are non-smd. > What voltage is on G1 (millivolts)? 0 mV Some photos: http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver01.jpg http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver02.jpg http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver03.jpg http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver04.jpg http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver05.jpg anMic From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri May 20 21:39:09 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri May 20 21:39:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ovislink GE-2032R Gigabit Ethernet Adapter References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> <20050520184259.GA23321@kestrel> Message-ID: <000901c55d7b$f96c1da0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Ovislink GE-2032R Gigabit Ethernet Adapter mam s nim problemy, pri nastaveni do full duplex (Win2K) jede strasne pomalu (cca. 150 - 300 KB/sec) ze sitovky ven, opacne je to v pohode (1MB/sec), karta s realtek 8139 jede v tom samem komplu na stejne pokusne sestave ronje obema smery 1 MB/sec twister je standard, tx a rx na SMD od Skont., napajeni nemam po koaxu, ale extra dvojlinky Cipis From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat May 21 08:57:57 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat May 21 08:57:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <000d01c55d7a$9bf5d5e0$0201a8c0@anmic> References: <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> <20050516081826.GA14165@kestrel> <000d01c55d7a$9bf5d5e0$0201a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <200505210957.58054.ladmanj@volny.cz> Aniz bych chtel nekomu ublizit musim podotknout ze to co je na tech fotkach je totalni hruuuuuuuuza. Jista minimalni manualni zrucnost proste k tomu je potreba a ne ze ne. Jakub > > Some photos: > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver01.jpg > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver02.jpg > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver03.jpg > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver04.jpg > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver05.jpg > > anMic > From jojo at matfyz.cz Sat May 21 10:14:50 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sat May 21 10:14:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <200505210957.58054.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> <20050516081826.GA14165@kestrel> <000d01c55d7a$9bf5d5e0$0201a8c0@anmic> <200505210957.58054.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050521091450.GA17721@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> A co je na nich take hrozne? Spoje? Alebo nieco ine? On 2005-05-21 09:57 +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Aniz bych chtel nekomu ublizit musim podotknout ze to co je na tech > fotkach je > totalni hruuuuuuuuza. > Jista minimalni manualni zrucnost proste k tomu je potreba a ne ze ne. > Jakub > > > > > Some photos: > > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver01.jpg > > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver02.jpg > > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver03.jpg > > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver04.jpg > > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver05.jpg -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From kucik at net22.cz Sat May 21 10:58:30 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Sat May 21 10:59:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] funkcni spoj In-Reply-To: <20050520184259.GA23321@kestrel> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050521113748.025f46d0@mail.net22.cz> Diky za pridani do galerie. Bohuzel nejsem schopen udelat tunel z czf do Inetu. Poradne nevim co tam mam za LED, vim jen ze mi to bylo prodano jako ******F4000 a vic si nepamatuju muzou to byt BD nebo BH. Pridavam linky na nakresy drzaku. http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/1.gif http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/2.gif http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/3.gif http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/4.gif http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/5.gif http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/c3d.gif http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/cf.gif http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/cl.gif http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/ct.gif At 20:42 20.5.2005 +0200, you wrote: >On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 05:05:53PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > > Chtel bych ohlasit funkcni spoj > > http://elf.libcice.czf/mrtg/elf_dru_response.html vramci site > > http://libcice.net ve meste Lib?ice nad Vltavou. > > vzdalenost: 474 m dle czfree monitoru > > Cocky: 90mm > > Elektronika: Airwire > > Interface: AUI forte > > LED: HPWT-BD00-F4000 > > nonstd. holder. - muzu dodat nakresy > > Foto snad dodam v budoucnu > > >Is anyone please able to mirror/tunnel out the traffic graphs or >what is supposed to be on the .czf private network so they are publicly >viewable? I could put a link to them into the gallery. I have put the >track already into the gallery (I would like to see 100 tracks ;-) ) > >BTW Nice photos of node views :) > >We don't have .czf here in Zurich (though we have free network >connectivity almost everywhere - people just plug in their Netgear >wireless box, and one doesn't need to set up anything - just open >your notebook and it works :) And if you want to play with >the box, the login is admin and password is "password" ;-) ) > >Are you sure you are having HPWT-BD00-F4000 and not HPWT-BH00-F4000? If >yes, I would be interested in knowing who to buy them from (if he's able >to show reasonable proof they are really BD00-F4000). > >CL< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sat May 21 11:01:43 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat May 21 11:01:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <200505210957.58054.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> <20050516081826.GA14165@kestrel> <000d01c55d7a$9bf5d5e0$0201a8c0@anmic> <200505210957.58054.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <428F0707.2090009@katka.biz> Jakub Ladman wrote: >Aniz bych chtel nekomu ublizit musim podotknout ze to co je na tech fotkach je >totalni hruuuuuuuuza. >Jista minimalni manualni zrucnost proste k tomu je potreba a ne ze ne. >Jakub > > > Neni nad konstruktivni kritiku co ? >>Some photos: >>http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver01.jpg >>http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver02.jpg >>http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver03.jpg >>http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver04.jpg >>http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver05.jpg >> >>anMic >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From clock at twibright.com Sat May 21 11:48:00 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat May 21 11:51:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <200505210957.58054.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> <20050516081826.GA14165@kestrel> <000d01c55d7a$9bf5d5e0$0201a8c0@anmic> <200505210957.58054.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050521104800.GA19955@kestrel> On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 09:57:57AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Aniz bych chtel nekomu ublizit musim podotknout ze to co je na tech fotkach je > totalni hruuuuuuuuza. > Jista minimalni manualni zrucnost proste k tomu je potreba a ne ze ne. I think it's basically OK. The two problems (wire on G2 and partitions not soldered all along edges) were cause by not enough specific guide which I am currently working on to repair. Anyway I hope soon I will be able to produce official RX PCB, which will be much straightforward to build. CL< > Jakub > > > > > Some photos: > > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver01.jpg > > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver02.jpg > > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver03.jpg > > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver04.jpg > > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver05.jpg > > > > anMic > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat May 21 11:49:40 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat May 21 11:53:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] funkcni spoj In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050521113748.025f46d0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050521113748.025f46d0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050521104940.GB19955@kestrel> On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 11:58:30AM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > Diky za pridani do galerie. Bohuzel nejsem schopen udelat tunel z czf do > Inetu. > Poradne nevim co tam mam za LED, vim jen ze mi to bylo prodano jako > ******F4000 a vic si nepamatuju muzou to byt BD nebo BH. > Pridavam linky na nakresy drzaku. > http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/1.gif > http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/2.gif > http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/3.gif > http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/4.gif > http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/5.gif > http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/c3d.gif > http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/cf.gif > http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/cl.gif > http://www.libcice.net/mixer/holder4/ct.gif What software did you use to model? Autocad? Is Autocad only surface modeller or is it also able to save data in dxf format as CSG (constructive solid geometry - boolean operation on 3D solids)? I could try convertind DXF into BRL-CAD .g file. CL< From anmic at fmg.sk Sat May 21 12:04:05 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sat May 21 12:05:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI References: <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> <20050516081826.GA14165@kestrel><000d01c55d7a$9bf5d5e0$0201a8c0@anmic> <200505210957.58054.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002701c55df5$08912db0$0201a8c0@anmic> > Aniz bych chtel nekomu ublizit musim podotknout ze to co je na tech fotkach je > totalni hruuuuuuuuza. > Jista minimalni manualni zrucnost proste k tomu je potreba a ne ze ne. > Jakub > Vsechny pripominky i kritiku samozrejme vitam, ale zkuste byt vice konkretni. anMic From boza2 at volny.cz Sat May 21 16:48:50 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sat May 21 16:50:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] funkcni spoj In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <1133791871.20050521174850@volny.cz> Blahopreji! Jake trubky jsi pouzil na ty 90mm ? Ted jsem si na zkousku koupil 90mm cocky a nemuzu k nim sehnat vhodne trubky. Ondra MK> Chtel bych ohlasit funkcni spoj MK> http://elf.libcice.czf/mrtg/elf_dru_response.html vramci site MK> http://libcice.net ve meste Lib?ice nad Vltavou. MK> vzdalenost: 474 m dle czfree monitoru MK> Cocky: 90mm MK> Elektronika: Airwire MK> Interface: AUI forte MK> LED: HPWT-BD00-F4000 MK> nonstd. holder. - muzu dodat nakresy MK> Foto snad dodam v budoucnu MK> Thx Kucik MK> _______________________________________________ MK> Ronja mailing list MK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Sat May 21 16:50:11 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sat May 21 16:51:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ubytek napeti na kabelech In-Reply-To: <20050518130326.GA13227@kestrel> References: <549642145.20050518113446@volny.cz> <20050518130326.GA13227@kestrel> Message-ID: <453872653.20050521175011@volny.cz> Zmerim jeste napeti naprazdno. Jsou tam BNCaky. Kdyz se ukaze ze je to tim tak je vytrham a dam to do svorkovnic rovnou. Ondra KK> On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 11:34:46AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> Zdravim, >> byl jsem instalovat jeden spoj (zatim jednu stranu) a jsou tam tubusy >> na strese, Twister dole a mezi tim 30m koaxu. Neco jako RG58, nevim >> presne typ, Nicmene nahore je napeti jen 9.3V ! Coz mi prijde dost >> malo. No on je to spoj na 300m, takze to treba pujde, uvidim, az >> rozsvitim i druhou stranu. >> Jen se ptam, jestli jste se s tim uz nekdo nesetkal a neresil to. KK> What's the voltage down? And are you using shields for feeding or KK> some own constructions? KK> Are you using wire nuts or some connectors that could have bad KK> contact and voltage drop? KK> Anyway we tested Ronja with Macros and it ran on 9V on 800m without KK> packetloss :) ;-) KK> CL< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Sat May 21 16:56:04 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sat May 21 16:57:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] funkcni spoj In-Reply-To: <20050520184259.GA23321@kestrel> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> <20050520184259.GA23321@kestrel> Message-ID: <294225986.20050521175604@volny.cz> Zdravim, tyhle diody HPWT-BD00-F4000 uz jsou od Vanoc v CR v pohode. Mam jich stale zasobu. Jsem si jisty, ze to nejsou HPWT-BH00-F4000 i kdyz me furt nekdo presvedcuje, ze by ty Hcka mely byt lepsi. Ze je mam je napsane na Twiki, posilam je i do ciziny (to kdybys chtel stavet v Zurichu :-). Ondra KK> On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 05:05:53PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: >> Chtel bych ohlasit funkcni spoj >> http://elf.libcice.czf/mrtg/elf_dru_response.html vramci site >> http://libcice.net ve meste Lib?ice nad Vltavou. >> vzdalenost: 474 m dle czfree monitoru >> Cocky: 90mm >> Elektronika: Airwire >> Interface: AUI forte >> LED: HPWT-BD00-F4000 >> nonstd. holder. - muzu dodat nakresy >> Foto snad dodam v budoucnu KK> Is anyone please able to mirror/tunnel out the traffic graphs or KK> what is supposed to be on the .czf private network so they are publicly KK> viewable? I could put a link to them into the gallery. I have put the KK> track already into the gallery (I would like to see 100 tracks ;-) ) KK> BTW Nice photos of node views :) KK> We don't have .czf here in Zurich (though we have free network KK> connectivity almost everywhere - people just plug in their Netgear KK> wireless box, and one doesn't need to set up anything - just open KK> your notebook and it works :) And if you want to play with KK> the box, the login is admin and password is "password" ;-) ) KK> Are you sure you are having HPWT-BD00-F4000 and not HPWT-BH00-F4000? If KK> yes, I would be interested in knowing who to buy them from (if he's able KK> to show reasonable proof they are really BD00-F4000). KK> CL< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sat May 21 19:09:30 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sat May 21 17:07:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky Message-ID: Zdravim, chtel jsem se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti s pouzitim plastovych trubek(hlavne tech oranzovych odpadnich)na Ronju? Nekrouti se vam to na teple? Nepropousti to moc IR zareni? Kamarad mi neustale tvrdi, ze je to tvrdy dost... Nejak nevim.. Pomohlo by treba natrit to gumasfaltem jako to je tady http://images.twibright.com/tns/14e0.html ? Dik za odpovedi. S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat May 21 21:13:22 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sat May 21 21:13:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky References: Message-ID: <001d01c55e41$8c65bc90$0103450a@thechosen> mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, nejstarsi je rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. kdyz se planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. rozpinavost na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco propousti ael kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super dela. do vicekjsou dat perfekt ne cocky. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Strnad" To: Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky > Zdravim, > chtel jsem se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti s pouzitim plastovych > trubek(hlavne tech oranzovych odpadnich)na Ronju? Nekrouti se vam to na > teple? Nepropousti to moc IR zareni? Kamarad mi neustale tvrdi, ze je to > tvrdy dost... Nejak nevim.. Pomohlo by treba natrit to gumasfaltem jako to > je tady http://images.twibright.com/tns/14e0.html ? > Dik za odpovedi. > S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0520-4, 20.05.2005 Testovano: 21.5.2005 22:13:28 avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From clock at twibright.com Sun May 22 08:08:26 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun May 22 08:12:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050522070826.GB15022@kestrel> On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 06:09:30PM -0000, Daniel Strnad wrote: > Zdravim, > chtel jsem se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti s pouzitim plastovych > trubek(hlavne tech oranzovych odpadnich)na Ronju? Nekrouti se vam to na > teple? Nepropousti to moc IR zareni? Kamarad mi neustale tvrdi, ze je to > tvrdy dost... Nejak nevim.. Pomohlo by treba natrit to gumasfaltem jako to I had plastic tubes on Ronja 115 Loopipe and the problems were: 1) The plastic was shrinking under pressure of screws and therefore they were never tightened 2) The plastic got ugly from the sun 3) There had to be aluminium foil on the wall because it would get melted by sun otherwise (the wall was hot enough even with the foil). However this foil strongly increases ambient lighting into the receiver, which decreases range. CL< > je tady http://images.twibright.com/tns/14e0.html ? > Dik za odpovedi. > S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun May 22 08:14:56 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun May 22 08:18:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <001d01c55e41$8c65bc90$0103450a@thechosen> References: <001d01c55e41$8c65bc90$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20050522071456.GA15159@kestrel> On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 10:13:22PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, nejstarsi je 5? To je nejak dost :) Nevadilo by, kdybych je pridal do galerie bezicich spoju? Mas k dispozici informace o jednotlivych trasach a pripadne fotky? CL< > rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. kdyz se > planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. rozpinavost > na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco propousti ael > kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super dela. do > vicekjsou dat perfekt ne cocky. > > Glo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Strnad" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:09 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky > > > > Zdravim, > > chtel jsem se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti s pouzitim plastovych > > trubek(hlavne tech oranzovych odpadnich)na Ronju? Nekrouti se vam to na > > teple? Nepropousti to moc IR zareni? Kamarad mi neustale tvrdi, ze je to > > tvrdy dost... Nejak nevim.. Pomohlo by treba natrit to gumasfaltem jako to > > je tady http://images.twibright.com/tns/14e0.html ? > > Dik za odpovedi. > > S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0520-4, 20.05.2005 > Testovano: 21.5.2005 22:13:28 > avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sun May 22 09:02:44 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ciBEdm/FmcOhaw==?=) Date: Sun May 22 09:02:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] funkcni spoj In-Reply-To: <1133791871.20050521174850@volny.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> <1133791871.20050521174850@volny.cz> Message-ID: <42903CA4.7040101@centrum.cz> Na 90mm cocky lze pouzit 110mm oranzovy odpadni trubky (ja sem kupoval v Bauhausu) ROOTen Ondrej Tesar wrote: >Blahopreji! >Jake trubky jsi pouzil na ty 90mm ? >Ted jsem si na zkousku koupil 90mm cocky a nemuzu k nim sehnat vhodne >trubky. > >Ondra > >MK> Chtel bych ohlasit funkcni spoj >MK> http://elf.libcice.czf/mrtg/elf_dru_response.html vramci site >MK> http://libcice.net ve meste Lib?ice nad Vltavou. >MK> vzdalenost: 474 m dle czfree monitoru >MK> Cocky: 90mm >MK> Elektronika: Airwire >MK> Interface: AUI forte >MK> LED: HPWT-BD00-F4000 >MK> nonstd. holder. - muzu dodat nakresy >MK> Foto snad dodam v budoucnu > >MK> Thx Kucik > > >MK> _______________________________________________ >MK> Ronja mailing list >MK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >MK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sun May 22 09:08:08 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ciBEdm/FmcOhaw==?=) Date: Sun May 22 09:08:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <001d01c55e41$8c65bc90$0103450a@thechosen> References: <001d01c55e41$8c65bc90$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <42903DE8.6010801@centrum.cz> ano, ty vicka jsou opravdu vyborna. Staci proriznout diru o neco mensi nez cocka a zalepit treba tavnou pistoli, silikonem, nebo polyakrylatovym tmelem (ktery ztvrdne na kamen, overeno) + v tom rozsireni trubky je tesneni a vicko v nem sedi opravdu fest, takze vodeodolnost zarucena ROOTen Michal Malusek wrote: >mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, nejstarsi je >rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. kdyz se >planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. rozpinavost >na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco propousti ael >kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super dela. do >vicekjsou dat perfekt ne cocky. > >Glo > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Daniel Strnad" >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:09 PM >Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky > > > > >>Zdravim, >>chtel jsem se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti s pouzitim plastovych >>trubek(hlavne tech oranzovych odpadnich)na Ronju? Nekrouti se vam to na >>teple? Nepropousti to moc IR zareni? Kamarad mi neustale tvrdi, ze je to >>tvrdy dost... Nejak nevim.. Pomohlo by treba natrit to gumasfaltem jako to >>je tady http://images.twibright.com/tns/14e0.html ? >>Dik za odpovedi. >>S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > > >--- >avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. >Virova databaze (VPS): 0520-4, 20.05.2005 >Testovano: 21.5.2005 22:13:28 >avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. >http://www.avast.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From flash-x at seznam.cz Sun May 22 10:47:44 2005 From: flash-x at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?B?U3RhbmlzbGF2IEtpbsWhdA==?=) Date: Sun May 22 10:49:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <42903DE8.6010801@centrum.cz> References: <001d01c55e41$8c65bc90$0103450a@thechosen> <42903DE8.6010801@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42905540.9040403@seznam.cz> Konstrukce v plastu muze byt ruzna http://goldheart.klfree.net/~flashx/ Petr Dvo??k napsal(a): >ano, ty vicka jsou opravdu vyborna. Staci proriznout diru o neco mensi >nez cocka a zalepit treba tavnou pistoli, silikonem, nebo >polyakrylatovym tmelem (ktery ztvrdne na kamen, overeno) >+ v tom rozsireni trubky je tesneni a vicko v nem sedi opravdu fest, >takze vodeodolnost zarucena > >ROOTen > >Michal Malusek wrote: > > > >>mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, nejstarsi je >>rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. kdyz se >>planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. rozpinavost >>na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco propousti ael >>kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super dela. do >>vicekjsou dat perfekt ne cocky. >> >>Glo >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Daniel Strnad" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:09 PM >>Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Zdravim, >>>chtel jsem se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti s pouzitim plastovych >>>trubek(hlavne tech oranzovych odpadnich)na Ronju? Nekrouti se vam to na >>>teple? Nepropousti to moc IR zareni? Kamarad mi neustale tvrdi, ze je to >>>tvrdy dost... Nejak nevim.. Pomohlo by treba natrit to gumasfaltem jako to >>>je tady http://images.twibright.com/tns/14e0.html ? >>>Dik za odpovedi. >>>S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>--- >>avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. >>Virova databaze (VPS): 0520-4, 20.05.2005 >>Testovano: 21.5.2005 22:13:28 >>avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. >>http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sun May 22 11:25:14 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ciBEdm/FmcOhaw==?=) Date: Sun May 22 11:25:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <42905540.9040403@seznam.cz> References: <001d01c55e41$8c65bc90$0103450a@thechosen> <42903DE8.6010801@centrum.cz> <42905540.9040403@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42905E0A.6000503@centrum.cz> Ten LCD display je nejaky merak sily signalu? ROOTen Stanislav Kin?t wrote: > Konstrukce v plastu muze byt ruzna http://goldheart.klfree.net/~flashx/ > > Petr Dvo??k napsal(a): > >> ano, ty vicka jsou opravdu vyborna. Staci proriznout diru o neco mensi >> nez cocka a zalepit treba tavnou pistoli, silikonem, nebo >> polyakrylatovym tmelem (ktery ztvrdne na kamen, overeno) >> + v tom rozsireni trubky je tesneni a vicko v nem sedi opravdu fest, >> takze vodeodolnost zarucena >> >> ROOTen >> >> Michal Malusek wrote: >> >> >> >>> mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, >>> nejstarsi je >>> rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. >>> kdyz se >>> planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. >>> rozpinavost >>> na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco >>> propousti ael >>> kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super dela. do >>> vicekjsou dat perfekt ne cocky. >>> >>> Glo >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Strnad" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:09 PM >>> Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Zdravim, >>>> chtel jsem se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti s pouzitim plastovych >>>> trubek(hlavne tech oranzovych odpadnich)na Ronju? Nekrouti se vam >>>> to na >>>> teple? Nepropousti to moc IR zareni? Kamarad mi neustale tvrdi, ze >>>> je to >>>> tvrdy dost... Nejak nevim.. Pomohlo by treba natrit to gumasfaltem >>>> jako to >>>> je tady http://images.twibright.com/tns/14e0.html ? >>>> Dik za odpovedi. >>>> S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ronja mailing list >>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. >>> Virova databaze (VPS): 0520-4, 20.05.2005 >>> Testovano: 21.5.2005 22:13:28 >>> avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From flash-x at seznam.cz Sun May 22 11:43:44 2005 From: flash-x at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?B?U3RhbmlzbGF2IEtpbsWhdA==?=) Date: Sun May 22 11:44:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <42905E0A.6000503@centrum.cz> References: <001d01c55e41$8c65bc90$0103450a@thechosen> <42903DE8.6010801@centrum.cz> <42905540.9040403@seznam.cz> <42905E0A.6000503@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42906260.80406@seznam.cz> LCDcko je obycejny votmetr s GESu za 90kc:) Petr Dvo??k napsal(a): >Ten LCD display je nejaky merak sily signalu? > >ROOTen > >Stanislav Kin?t wrote: > > > >>Konstrukce v plastu muze byt ruzna http://goldheart.klfree.net/~flashx/ >> >>Petr Dvo??k napsal(a): >> >> >> >>>ano, ty vicka jsou opravdu vyborna. Staci proriznout diru o neco mensi >>>nez cocka a zalepit treba tavnou pistoli, silikonem, nebo >>>polyakrylatovym tmelem (ktery ztvrdne na kamen, overeno) >>>+ v tom rozsireni trubky je tesneni a vicko v nem sedi opravdu fest, >>>takze vodeodolnost zarucena >>> >>>ROOTen >>> >>>Michal Malusek wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, >>>>nejstarsi je >>>>rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. >>>>kdyz se >>>>planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. >>>>rozpinavost >>>>na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco >>>>propousti ael >>>>kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super dela. do >>>>vicekjsou dat perfekt ne cocky. >>>> >>>>Glo >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Strnad" >>>> >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:09 PM >>>>Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Zdravim, >>>>>chtel jsem se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti s pouzitim plastovych >>>>>trubek(hlavne tech oranzovych odpadnich)na Ronju? Nekrouti se vam >>>>>to na >>>>>teple? Nepropousti to moc IR zareni? Kamarad mi neustale tvrdi, ze >>>>>je to >>>>>tvrdy dost... Nejak nevim.. Pomohlo by treba natrit to gumasfaltem >>>>>jako to >>>>>je tady http://images.twibright.com/tns/14e0.html ? >>>>>Dik za odpovedi. >>>>>S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>--- >>>>avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. >>>>Virova databaze (VPS): 0520-4, 20.05.2005 >>>>Testovano: 21.5.2005 22:13:28 >>>>avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. >>>>http://www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From kucik at net22.cz Sun May 22 12:28:29 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Sun May 22 12:28:52 2005 Subject: [Ronja] funkcni spoj In-Reply-To: <1133791871.20050521174850@volny.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050519165134.02692280@mail.net22.cz> <1133791871.20050521174850@volny.cz> Message-ID: <42906CDD.5020708@net22.cz> Trubky jsem nedelal ja, ale jsou to nejake obyc. instalaterske. Ondrej Tesar napsal(a): >Blahopreji! >Jake trubky jsi pouzil na ty 90mm ? >Ted jsem si na zkousku koupil 90mm cocky a nemuzu k nim sehnat vhodne >trubky. > >Ondra > >MK> Chtel bych ohlasit funkcni spoj >MK> http://elf.libcice.czf/mrtg/elf_dru_response.html vramci site >MK> http://libcice.net ve meste Lib?ice nad Vltavou. >MK> vzdalenost: 474 m dle czfree monitoru >MK> Cocky: 90mm >MK> Elektronika: Airwire >MK> Interface: AUI forte >MK> LED: HPWT-BD00-F4000 >MK> nonstd. holder. - muzu dodat nakresy >MK> Foto snad dodam v budoucnu > >MK> Thx Kucik > > >MK> _______________________________________________ >MK> Ronja mailing list >MK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >MK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun May 22 15:12:40 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sun May 22 15:13:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky References: <001d01c55e41$8c65bc90$0103450a@thechosen> <20050522071456.GA15159@kestrel> Message-ID: <001b01c55ed8$50fe30f0$0103450a@thechosen> az bude cas tak to nejak sepisu. ted mam v posledni dobe celkem fofr, skola :/ Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Plastove trubky > On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 10:13:22PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > > mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, nejstarsi je > > 5? To je nejak dost :) Nevadilo by, kdybych je pridal do galerie > bezicich spoju? Mas k dispozici informace o jednotlivych trasach a > pripadne fotky? > > CL< > > rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. kdyz se > > planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. rozpinavost > > na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco propousti ael > > kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super dela. do > > vicekjsou dat perfekt ne cocky. > > > > Glo > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Daniel Strnad" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:09 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky > > > > > > > Zdravim, > > > chtel jsem se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti s pouzitim plastovych > > > trubek(hlavne tech oranzovych odpadnich)na Ronju? Nekrouti se vam to na > > > teple? Nepropousti to moc IR zareni? Kamarad mi neustale tvrdi, ze je to > > > tvrdy dost... Nejak nevim.. Pomohlo by treba natrit to gumasfaltem jako to > > > je tady http://images.twibright.com/tns/14e0.html ? > > > Dik za odpovedi. > > > S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > > Virova databaze (VPS): 0520-4, 20.05.2005 > > Testovano: 21.5.2005 22:13:28 > > avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0520-4, 20.05.2005 Testovano: 22.5.2005 16:12:42 avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon May 23 06:22:25 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon May 23 06:22:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <001d01c55e41$8c65bc90$0103450a@thechosen> References: <001d01c55e41$8c65bc90$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200505230722.25627.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne so 21. kv?tna 2005 22:13 Michal Malusek napsal(a): > mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, nejstarsi je > rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. kdyz se > planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. rozpinavost > na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco propousti > ael kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super dela. do Kdyz se podivate do galerie, je tam linka Beharovice - skolka a ta je dlouha cca 1.3km a jede na plastovych rourach (TX prumer DN125, RX DN200 - cocka prumer 190mm) a jede to naprosto bez potizi. Zadne krouceni , nestability a pod. Vliv prochazejiciho infra se mi nikdy nepovedllo nasimulovat (ac jsem se o to snazil) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Mon May 23 09:06:03 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Mon May 23 09:06:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky Message-ID: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: zapadlo@melzer.cz > Komu: Michal Malusek , Twibright Ronja > CC:=20 > Datum: 23.05.2005 07:23 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] Plastove trubky > > Dne so 21. kv=ECtna 2005 22:13 Michal Malusek napsal(a): > > mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, nejsta= rsi > je > > rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. = kdyz > se > > planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. > rozpinavost > > na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco prop= ousti > > ael kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super = dela. > do >=20 > Kdyz se podivate do galerie, je tam linka Beharovice - skolka a ta je > dlouha=20 > cca 1.3km a jede na plastovych rourach (TX prumer DN125, RX DN200 - c= ocka=20 > prumer 190mm) a jede to naprosto bez potizi.,, jesi se nezeptam ja, tak nekdo jiny=20 odkud mas tu cocku? za kolik? vlastnosti... ? :))) >=20 > Zadne krouceni , nestability a pod. Vliv prochazejiciho infra se mi n= ikdy=20 > nepovedllo nasimulovat (ac jsem se o to snazil) >=20 >=20 > S pozdravem > --=20 > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo >=20 >=20 > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc=ED odd=EClen=ED syst=E9mov=E9 podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln=ED 71, 796 01 Prost=ECjov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon May 23 09:15:37 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon May 23 09:16:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> References: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200505231015.37431.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > odkud mas tu cocku? za kolik? vlastnosti... ? :))) > Cocka je vystrizena z A4 plastove fresnelky, vlozene mezi dve bezna 3mm skl= a.=20 Cocka stala cca 490,- a byla koupena na nejakem inet obchode. Odaz tady v=20 konferenci uz sel, nemohu si na nej nejak vzpomenout. Pokusim se to najit. Zkusenosti dobre, zaroven jsem pri vymene predelal i rx moduly (stare RSSI = za=20 nove) takze prime srovani nemam (puvodne bylo cca 8mV, ted se to mele kolem= =20 1V) Nicmene se odstranil problem s rannimi mlhami a opary. Linka totiz vede= =20 pres udoli kde se tyhle zalezitosti delaji casto a dlouho vydrzi. S pozdravem =2D-=20 Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc=ED odd=EClen=ED syst=E9mov=E9 podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln=ED 71, 796 01 Prost=ECjov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From kendy at hkfree.org Mon May 23 09:20:20 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Mon May 23 09:20:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> References: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42919244.7000704@hkfree.org> V cem by mel byt problem aby s plastovymi trubkami + lupy 130mm se=20 nedala udelat vzdalenost 1.4km , tak jak se s tim nekdo chlubil ze mu=20 ronja na tu vzdalenost slape ? Pokud mohu soudit, tak s tim plastem se dela 100x lepe nez s kourovodem,=20 je to x krat presnejsi na opracovani, a mame tu celkem dobry a hodne=20 levny zpusob usazeni modulu uprostred tubusu. Napriklad nam tu odpadly=20 ty drazky jako kolejnice pro modul =3D> nehrozi zatekani moznou sterbinou= . Plastove truby jsou i pevnejsi nez original kourovody. Kdyz se natrou=20 bilou barvou z vnejsku, tak se vicemene eliminuje i dopad IR skrze trubky= . Nevim jestli sem koupil nejaky atyp cocek ci trubek, ale me pasnou=20 vylamane cocky (bez cerneho okolniho plastu) krasne to te rozsirene=20 casti trubky, a zastavi se presne o to cerne original tesneni. Staci uz=20 jen zalepit silikonem a usazeni lup je 4x luxusnejsi a presnejsi nez=20 jejich vlepovani do vyrezavanych vicek. Ja tedy vidim plastove trubky jako velke plus v konstrukcich ronji. -- Kendy HKfree Jakub Michn=EDk wrote: >=20 > ______________________________________________________________ >=20 >>Od: zapadlo@melzer.cz >>Komu: Michal Malusek , Twibright Ronja >>CC:=20 >>Datum: 23.05.2005 07:23 >>P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] Plastove trubky >> >>Dne so 21. kv=ECtna 2005 22:13 Michal Malusek napsal(a): >> >>>mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, nejstarsi >> >>je >> >>>rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. kdy= z >> >>se >> >>>planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. >> >>rozpinavost >> >>>na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco propous= ti >>>ael kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super del= a. >> >>do >> >>Kdyz se podivate do galerie, je tam linka Beharovice - skolka a ta je >>dlouha=20 >>cca 1.3km a jede na plastovych rourach (TX prumer DN125, RX DN200 - coc= ka=20 >>prumer 190mm) a jede to naprosto bez potizi.,, >=20 >=20 > jesi se nezeptam ja, tak nekdo jiny=20 >=20 > odkud mas tu cocku? za kolik? vlastnosti... ? :))) >=20 >=20 >>Zadne krouceni , nestability a pod. Vliv prochazejiciho infra se mi nik= dy=20 >>nepovedllo nasimulovat (ac jsem se o to snazil) >> >> >>S pozdravem >>--=20 >>Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo >> >> >>Ing. Petr Zapadlo >>vedouc=ED odd=EClen=ED syst=E9mov=E9 podpory >>Melzer, spol. s r.o. >>Doln=ED 71, 796 01 Prost=ECjov >>tel: 582 330 301 >>fax: 582 330 302 >>mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz >>http://www.melzer.cz >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon May 23 09:31:21 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon May 23 09:31:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <42919244.7000704@hkfree.org> References: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> <42919244.7000704@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <200505231031.21540.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > bilou barvou z vnejsku, tak se vicemene eliminuje i dopad IR skrze trubky. Natirani mi prijde jako zbytecne, ale nekde je treba z estetickych dovodu=20 provest. Kolega kdyz to videl, tak rikal ze mu to pripominake zvetsene=20 eroticke pomucky (hlavne tou barvou). > Nevim jestli sem koupil nejaky atyp cocek ci trubek, ale me pasnou > vylamane cocky (bez cerneho okolniho plastu) krasne to te rozsirene > casti trubky, a zastavi se presne o to cerne original tesneni. Staci uz > jen zalepit silikonem a usazeni lup je 4x luxusnejsi a presnejsi nez > jejich vlepovani do vyrezavanych vicek. Pod tohle bych se podepsal, takhle to taky delame a je to super. tady najdete vyrobni postup i s vykresem http://www.pvfree.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D146&postdays=3D0&postorder=3D= asc&start=3D60 > > Ja tedy vidim plastove trubky jako velke plus v konstrukcich ronji. Ty plechovy trubky jsou strasny. S pozdravem =2D-=20 Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc=ED odd=EClen=ED syst=E9mov=E9 podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln=ED 71, 796 01 Prost=ECjov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon May 23 09:42:19 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon May 23 09:45:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <200505231015.37431.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <4291B38B.30918.866F85@localhost> Koukam s tou Freschnelkou to chodi podobne jako s lupou 130mm od rakosniku. Tam je na 1,5km RSSI taky kolem 1 Voltu. > > > > > odkud mas tu cocku? za kolik? vlastnosti... ? :))) > > > > Cocka je vystrizena z A4 plastove fresnelky, vlozene mezi dve bezna 3mm skla. > Cocka stala cca 490,- a byla koupena na nejakem inet obchode. Odaz tady v > konferenci uz sel, nemohu si na nej nejak vzpomenout. Pokusim se to najit. > > Zkusenosti dobre, zaroven jsem pri vymene predelal i rx moduly (stare RSSI za > nove) takze prime srovani nemam (puvodne bylo cca 8mV, ted se to mele kolem > 1V) Nicmene se odstranil problem s rannimi mlhami a opary. Linka totiz vede > pres udoli kde se tyhle zalezitosti delaji casto a dlouho vydrzi. > > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon May 23 09:49:15 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon May 23 09:49:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <4291B38B.30918.866F85@localhost> References: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> <4291B38B.30918.866F85@localhost> Message-ID: <200505231049.15268.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne po 23. kv?tna 2005 10:42 Petr Seliger napsal(a): > Koukam s tou Freschnelkou to chodi podobne jako s lupou 130mm > od rakosniku. Tam je na 1,5km RSSI taky kolem 1 Voltu. jeste zalezi na tx, jsou tam jen zakladni diody (bez vyberu) s 13cm od rakosniku jela linka na hrane a pomerne casto vypadavala, ted to musi byt uz husta mlha aby to vypadlo S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From boza2 at volny.cz Mon May 23 11:17:46 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon May 23 11:17:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <200505231049.15268.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> <4291B38B.30918.866F85@localhost> <200505231049.15268.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <14512740610.20050523121746@volny.cz> Jaky je rozdil mezi 130mm cockou od Vietnamcu a Fresnelkou pri stejnem prumeru tubusu ( predpokladam ze i pri stejnem prumeru cocky) ? Zlepseni je dano tim, ze ta Fresnelka je nejaka kvalitnejsi, nebo je v tom jeste nejaky jiny figl? Ondra PZ> Dne po 23. kv?tna 2005 10:42 Petr Seliger napsal(a): >> Koukam s tou Freschnelkou to chodi podobne jako s lupou 130mm >> od rakosniku. Tam je na 1,5km RSSI taky kolem 1 Voltu. PZ> jeste zalezi na tx, jsou tam jen zakladni diody (bez vyberu) PZ> s 13cm od rakosniku jela linka na hrane a pomerne casto vypadavala, ted to PZ> musi byt uz husta mlha aby to vypadlo PZ> S pozdravem From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon May 23 11:24:24 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon May 23 11:24:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <14512740610.20050523121746@volny.cz> References: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> <200505231049.15268.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <14512740610.20050523121746@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200505231224.25049.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne po 23. kv?tna 2005 12:17 Ondrej Tesar napsal(a): > Jaky je rozdil mezi 130mm cockou od Vietnamcu a Fresnelkou pri stejnem > prumeru tubusu ( predpokladam ze i pri stejnem prumeru cocky) ? > Predpokladam za asi zadny, ale rozdil mezi cockou o prumeru 125mm (efektivni rozmer) a 190mm je znacny a to ve prospech fresnelky. > Zlepseni je dano tim, ze ta Fresnelka je nejaka kvalitnejsi, nebo je v > tom jeste nejaky jiny figl? Fresnelka je rozhodne vetsi. Bohuzel jsem nemel prostor to testovat na stejnem prijimaci a protovnavat to. Nicmene vysledek z toho je pro me nasledujici: Jestli ze mam linku >1km a ta mi jede na hranici , pak jedna z dobrych moznosti jak zvednout kvalitu je pouzit 19cm fresnelky. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Mon May 23 14:09:56 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 23 14:14:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <42919244.7000704@hkfree.org> References: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> <42919244.7000704@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20050523130956.GA15929@kestrel> On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 10:20:20AM +0200, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > V cem by mel byt problem aby s plastovymi trubkami + lupy 130mm se > nedala udelat vzdalenost 1.4km , tak jak se s tim nekdo chlubil ze mu > ronja na tu vzdalenost slape ? If you paint the plastic black, and fix the plastic so it's mechanical ageing doesn't have an impact on directional stability, then there's no difference for Ronja electronics. The metal pipe wasn't designed as intentional EM shield. However you still have a possibility that when Sun comes in the right direction, the plastic will catch fire and set the whole building on fire. You can ask firefighters what do they think about such installation :) CL< > > Pokud mohu soudit, tak s tim plastem se dela 100x lepe nez s kourovodem, > je to x krat presnejsi na opracovani, a mame tu celkem dobry a hodne > levny zpusob usazeni modulu uprostred tubusu. Napriklad nam tu odpadly > ty drazky jako kolejnice pro modul => nehrozi zatekani moznou sterbinou. > Plastove truby jsou i pevnejsi nez original kourovody. Kdyz se natrou > bilou barvou z vnejsku, tak se vicemene eliminuje i dopad IR skrze trubky. > Nevim jestli sem koupil nejaky atyp cocek ci trubek, ale me pasnou > vylamane cocky (bez cerneho okolniho plastu) krasne to te rozsirene > casti trubky, a zastavi se presne o to cerne original tesneni. Staci uz > jen zalepit silikonem a usazeni lup je 4x luxusnejsi a presnejsi nez > jejich vlepovani do vyrezavanych vicek. > > Ja tedy vidim plastove trubky jako velke plus v konstrukcich ronji. > > > > -- > Kendy > HKfree > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > >______________________________________________________________ > > > >>Od: zapadlo@melzer.cz > >>Komu: Michal Malusek , Twibright Ronja > >> > >>CC: > >>Datum: 23.05.2005 07:23 > >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Plastove trubky > >> > >>Dne so 21. kv?tna 2005 22:13 Michal Malusek napsal(a): > >> > >>>mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, nejstarsi > >> > >>je > >> > >>>rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. kdyz > >> > >>se > >> > >>>planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. > >> > >>rozpinavost > >> > >>>na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco propousti > >>>ael kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super dela. > >> > >>do > >> > >>Kdyz se podivate do galerie, je tam linka Beharovice - skolka a ta je > >>dlouha > >>cca 1.3km a jede na plastovych rourach (TX prumer DN125, RX DN200 - cocka > >>prumer 190mm) a jede to naprosto bez potizi.,, > > > > > >jesi se nezeptam ja, tak nekdo jiny > > > >odkud mas tu cocku? za kolik? vlastnosti... ? :))) > > > > > >>Zadne krouceni , nestability a pod. Vliv prochazejiciho infra se mi nikdy > >>nepovedllo nasimulovat (ac jsem se o to snazil) > >> > >> > >>S pozdravem > >>-- > >>Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > >> > >> > >>Ing. Petr Zapadlo > >>vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > >>Melzer, spol. s r.o. > >>Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > >>tel: 582 330 301 > >>fax: 582 330 302 > >>mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > >>http://www.melzer.cz > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon May 23 18:55:11 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon May 23 18:55:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <002701c55df5$08912db0$0201a8c0@anmic> References: <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel> <200505210957.58054.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002701c55df5$08912db0$0201a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <200505231955.11865.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Saturday 21 of May 2005 13:04, anMic wrote: > > Aniz bych chtel nekomu ublizit musim podotknout ze to co je na tech > > fotkach je > > > totalni hruuuuuuuuza. > > Jista minimalni manualni zrucnost proste k tomu je potreba a ne ze ne. > > Jakub > > Vsechny pripominky i kritiku samozrejme vitam, ale zkuste byt vice > konkretni. Pajene spoje nejsou podle mne zcela v poradku, navic rozvrzeni soucastek lze take udelat lepe. > > anMic > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From anmic at fmg.sk Mon May 23 19:14:43 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Mon May 23 19:16:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI References: <20050512094504.GD1057@kestrel><200505210957.58054.ladmanj@volny.cz><002701c55df5$08912db0$0201a8c0@anmic> <200505231955.11865.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000401c55fc3$812934f0$0201a8c0@anmic> > > > Aniz bych chtel nekomu ublizit musim podotknout ze to co je na tech > > > > fotkach je > > > > > totalni hruuuuuuuuza. > > > Jista minimalni manualni zrucnost proste k tomu je potreba a ne ze ne. > > > Jakub > > > > Vsechny pripominky i kritiku samozrejme vitam, ale zkuste byt vice > > konkretni. > Pajene spoje nejsou podle mne zcela v poradku, navic rozvrzeni soucastek lze > take udelat lepe. Na svou obhajobu muzu rict, ze je to moje prvni zkusenost s Ronjou, takze pripadne dalsi kusy budou snad lepsi (budu mit lepsi predstavu o rozmisteni jednotlivych soucastek). Ukostrene vyvody soucastek jsem pajel nejdrive a pouzil jsem trafopajku, protoze mikropajkou jsem nemohl dostatecne prohrat krabicku, aby spoje byly kvalitni. Pak jsem tam teprve dal NE592 a Q101 a zbytek dodelal mikropajkou, abych neposkodil U101 a Q101. Nektere ukostrene soucastky (asi hlavne kondiky) jsem ale spatne odhadl a umistil je nevhodne, tak proto neni rozmisteni uplne koser. anMic From clock at twibright.com Mon May 23 19:51:15 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 23 19:55:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <000d01c55d7a$9bf5d5e0$0201a8c0@anmic> References: <20050516081826.GA14165@kestrel> <000d01c55d7a$9bf5d5e0$0201a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <20050523185115.GA18229@kestrel> On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 10:28:37PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > What capacitors do you have for C153 and C154 (capacity and type: > > wire/smd)? > > The receiver is built according to the schematic: > C153 - 100n > C154 - 1n > All components are non-smd. > > > What voltage is on G1 (millivolts)? > > 0 mV > > Some photos: > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver01.jpg > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver02.jpg > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver03.jpg > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver04.jpg > http://anmic.a4.cz/receiver05.jpg Put C154 and C153 next to Q101 (now there is rather long green wire). Try soldering the fixed lid along the edge and the partitions too (that's how I do it an how it's in the guide). Does 56mV disappear when RX is closed? I have added a note that the partitions should be soldered all along, not just in several points. Tell how many mV RSSI without signal then you get. During replying to this mail I discovered the RX building guide needs repair - there are old capacitor numbers which don't make sense to the builder. I have fixed them. CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon May 23 19:55:45 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 23 19:59:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <000401c55fc3$812934f0$0201a8c0@anmic> References: <200505231955.11865.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000401c55fc3$812934f0$0201a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <20050523185545.GD18229@kestrel> On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 08:14:43PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > > > Aniz bych chtel nekomu ublizit musim podotknout ze to co je na tech > > > > > > fotkach je > > > > > > > totalni hruuuuuuuuza. > > > > Jista minimalni manualni zrucnost proste k tomu je potreba a ne ze ne. > > > > Jakub > > > > > > Vsechny pripominky i kritiku samozrejme vitam, ale zkuste byt vice > > > konkretni. > > > Pajene spoje nejsou podle mne zcela v poradku, navic rozvrzeni soucastek > lze > > take udelat lepe. > > Na svou obhajobu muzu rict, ze je to moje prvni zkusenost s Ronjou, takze > pripadne dalsi kusy budou snad lepsi (budu mit lepsi predstavu o rozmisteni > jednotlivych soucastek). > > Ukostrene vyvody soucastek jsem pajel nejdrive a pouzil jsem trafopajku, > protoze mikropajkou jsem nemohl dostatecne prohrat krabicku, aby spoje byly > kvalitni. Pak jsem tam teprve dal NE592 a Q101 a zbytek dodelal mikropajkou, > abych neposkodil U101 a Q101. Nektere ukostrene soucastky (asi hlavne > kondiky) jsem ale spatne odhadl a umistil je nevhodne, tak proto neni > rozmisteni uplne koser. The placement was according to the guide, so you don't have to bother :) If it doesn't work, then it's my fault and it's me who has to fix the guide (by saying that particular parts must be placed in particular way). CL< From anmic at fmg.sk Mon May 23 20:39:38 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Mon May 23 20:40:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI References: <20050516081826.GA14165@kestrel><000d01c55d7a$9bf5d5e0$0201a8c0@anmic> <20050523185115.GA18229@kestrel> Message-ID: <000f01c55fcf$3c08b600$0201a8c0@anmic> > I have added a note that the partitions should be soldered all along, > not just in several points. > Can I use a transformer solder to fix the partitions when all components are placed inside the box? I'm not sure if it doesn't damage the other components (like Q101). (I cannot use a micro solder - I can't heat the tin enough with it.) anMic From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon May 23 22:27:19 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon May 23 22:30:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <20050523130956.GA15929@kestrel> References: <42919244.7000704@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <429266D7.13235.ADBCBE@localhost> On 23 May 2005 at 15:09, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 10:20:20AM +0200, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > > V cem by mel byt problem aby s plastovymi trubkami + lupy 130mm se > > nedala udelat vzdalenost 1.4km , tak jak se s tim nekdo chlubil ze mu > > ronja na tu vzdalenost slape ? > > If you paint the plastic black, and fix the plastic so it's mechanical > ageing doesn't have an impact on directional stability, then there's no > difference for Ronja electronics. The metal pipe wasn't designed as > intentional EM shield. > > However you still have a possibility that when Sun comes in the right > direction, the plastic will catch fire and set the whole building on > fire. > Co se tyce tech sedych a oranzovohnedych trubek, tak ty jsou vetsinou z prakticky nehorlaveho PVC nebo obtizne horlaveho ozareneho polypropylenu. viz treba http://www.fortkm.cz/zaklinfo.asp?l= , zajimava je informace o spojovani lepenim. dalsi informace treba na http://dyka.cz/default.asp?p=sitemap Petr > You can ask firefighters what do they think about such installation :) > > CL< > > > > Pokud mohu soudit, tak s tim plastem se dela 100x lepe nez s kourovodem, > > je to x krat presnejsi na opracovani, a mame tu celkem dobry a hodne > > levny zpusob usazeni modulu uprostred tubusu. Napriklad nam tu odpadly > > ty drazky jako kolejnice pro modul => nehrozi zatekani moznou sterbinou. > > Plastove truby jsou i pevnejsi nez original kourovody. Kdyz se natrou > > bilou barvou z vnejsku, tak se vicemene eliminuje i dopad IR skrze trubky. > > Nevim jestli sem koupil nejaky atyp cocek ci trubek, ale me pasnou > > vylamane cocky (bez cerneho okolniho plastu) krasne to te rozsirene > > casti trubky, a zastavi se presne o to cerne original tesneni. Staci uz > > jen zalepit silikonem a usazeni lup je 4x luxusnejsi a presnejsi nez > > jejich vlepovani do vyrezavanych vicek. > > > > Ja tedy vidim plastove trubky jako velke plus v konstrukcich ronji. > > > > > > > > -- > > Kendy > > HKfree > > > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > > > >______________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>Od: zapadlo@melzer.cz > > >>Komu: Michal Malusek , Twibright Ronja > > >> > > >>CC: > > >>Datum: 23.05.2005 07:23 > > >>P edm t: Re: [Ronja] Plastove trubky > > >> > > >>Dne so 21. kv tna 2005 22:13 Michal Malusek napsal(a): > > >> > > >>>mame jich na siti 5, vsechny cervene odpadni a neni problem, nejstarsi > > >> > > >>je > > >> > > >>>rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. kdyz > > >> > > >>se > > >> > > >>>planuje ze to am vydrzet v zemi sto let tak to asi neco vydrzi. > > >> > > >>rozpinavost > > >> > > >>>na delku sme nepozoroval. propustnost ir nevim, trosku to neco propousti > > >>>ael kdzy to nebdue smit na 1,4 km tak pohoda. hlaven se stim super dela. > > >> > > >>do > > >> > > >>Kdyz se podivate do galerie, je tam linka Beharovice - skolka a ta je > > >>dlouha > > >>cca 1.3km a jede na plastovych rourach (TX prumer DN125, RX DN200 - cocka > > >>prumer 190mm) a jede to naprosto bez potizi.,, > > > > > > > > >jesi se nezeptam ja, tak nekdo jiny > > > > > >odkud mas tu cocku? za kolik? vlastnosti... ? :))) > > > > > > > > >>Zadne krouceni , nestability a pod. Vliv prochazejiciho infra se mi nikdy > > >>nepovedllo nasimulovat (ac jsem se o to snazil) > > >> > > >> > > >>S pozdravem > > >>-- > > >>Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > >> > > >> > > >>Ing. Petr Zapadlo > > >>vedouc? odd len? syst?mov? podpory > > >>Melzer, spol. s r.o. > > >>Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost jov > > >>tel: 582 330 301 > > >>fax: 582 330 302 > > >>mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > > >>http://www.melzer.cz > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Ronja mailing list > > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jiri_kovar at centrum.cz Tue May 24 12:26:01 2005 From: jiri_kovar at centrum.cz ( =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ji=F8=ED?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Kov=E1=F8?=) Date: Tue May 24 12:26:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Diody Message-ID: <200505241326.6774@centrum.cz> Je nutn=E9 aby elektronika byla hned za led =E8i to sta=E8=ED nacpat v=9A= echno do krabice za optiku a z toho vyv=E9st kabely k Ledk=E1m? S pozdravem Jirka From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Tue May 24 13:47:12 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Tue May 24 13:47:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Diody Message-ID: <200505241447.20504@centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: jiri_kovar@centrum.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 24.05.2005 13:26 > P=F8edm=ECt: [Ronja] Diody > > Je nutn=E9 aby elektronika byla hned za led =E8i to sta=E8=ED nacpat = v=9Aechno do > krabice za optiku a z toho vyv=E9st kabely k Ledk=E1m? musis tomit v krabici >=20 > S pozdravem Jirka >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Tue May 24 13:49:25 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue May 24 13:53:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Diody In-Reply-To: <200505241326.6774@centrum.cz> References: <200505241326.6774@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050524124925.GA9908@kestrel> On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 01:26:01PM +0200, Ji?? Kov?? wrote: > Je nutn? aby elektronika byla hned za led ?i to sta?? nacpat v?echno > do krabice za optiku a z toho vyv?st kabely k Ledk?m? Do it according to the guide. Putting cables there will likely distort the signal. CL< From rasken at centrum.cz Wed May 25 16:11:31 2005 From: rasken at centrum.cz (rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Wed May 25 16:11:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky Message-ID: <200505251711.29087@centrum.cz> to KENDY: Jak utesnujes tyto trubky? Originalni zatka na druhou stranu nez na tu rozsirenou nepasuje. Rasken From kendy at hkfree.org Wed May 25 16:19:29 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Wed May 25 16:19:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <200505251711.29087@centrum.cz> References: <200505251711.29087@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42949781.9070801@hkfree.org> Kupuju vicko, ktery zase pasne na tu rovnou stranu. (to vicko ma vetsi prumer nez cela roura = nasazuje se z venci) Je to original co prodavaji u nas v Trikeru... -- Kendy HKfree rasken@centrum.cz napsal(a): > to KENDY: > Jak utesnujes tyto trubky? > Originalni zatka na druhou stranu nez na tu rozsirenou nepasuje. > > Rasken > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From rasken at centrum.cz Wed May 25 19:00:08 2005 From: rasken at centrum.cz (rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Wed May 25 19:00:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky Message-ID: <200505252000.25554@centrum.cz> Takze je to origos vycko na plastove roury, ale je na rouru o stupen vetsi OK? Chapu to dobre....? na rouru prumeru 150mm? Rasken > Kupuju vicko, ktery zase pasne na tu rovnou stranu. (to vicko ma vetsi > prumer nez cela roura = nasazuje se z venci) Je to original co prodavaji u > nas v Trikeru... > > -- > Kendy > HKfree > > rasken@centrum.cz napsal(a): > > > to KENDY: > > Jak utesnujes tyto trubky? > Originalni zatka na druhou stranu nez na tu > rozsirenou nepasuje. > > > Rasken > > > > _______________________________________________ From kendy at hkfree.org Wed May 25 19:12:35 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Wed May 25 19:12:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <200505252000.25554@centrum.cz> References: <200505252000.25554@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <4294C013.4060108@hkfree.org> Ne to ne, jestli hovorime o trubkach 125mm tak pouzivam vicko na 125mm Mrkni sem, mam toto namysli: http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/melnik/P1010017.jpg -- Kendy HKfree rasken@centrum.cz napsal(a): > Takze je to origos vycko na plastove roury, ale je na rouru o stupen vetsi OK? > Chapu to dobre....? > na rouru prumeru 150mm? > > Rasken > > > >>Kupuju vicko, ktery zase pasne na tu rovnou stranu. (to vicko ma vetsi >>prumer nez cela roura = nasazuje se z venci) Je to original co prodavaji u >>nas v Trikeru... >> >>-- >>Kendy >>HKfree >> >>rasken@centrum.cz napsal(a): >> >> >>>to KENDY: >>>Jak utesnujes tyto trubky? > Originalni zatka na druhou stranu nez na tu >> >>rozsirenou nepasuje. >> >>>>Rasken >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From anmic at fmg.sk Wed May 25 18:06:49 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Wed May 25 19:57:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI References: <20050516081826.GA14165@kestrel><000d01c55d7a$9bf5d5e0$0201a8c0@anmic> <20050523185115.GA18229@kestrel> Message-ID: <000601c56159$854e1e00$0201a8c0@anmic> > Put C154 and C153 next to Q101 (now there is rather long green wire). The position of the C153 and C154 is fixed now - they are now close to the Q101. The wire to G2 is removed, too. After that, the RSSI indicator behaves normal (0 mV when no signal). Thank you for your hints. anMic > > Try soldering the fixed lid along the edge and the partitions too > (that's how I do it an how it's in the guide). Does 56mV disappear > when RX is closed? > > I have added a note that the partitions should be soldered all along, > not just in several points. > > Tell how many mV RSSI without signal then you get. > > During replying to this mail I discovered the RX building guide needs > repair - there are old capacitor numbers which don't make sense to the > builder. I have fixed them. > > CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed May 25 20:58:22 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed May 25 21:02:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI In-Reply-To: <000601c56159$854e1e00$0201a8c0@anmic> References: <20050523185115.GA18229@kestrel> <000601c56159$854e1e00$0201a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <20050525195822.GC1316@kestrel> On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 07:06:49PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > Put C154 and C153 next to Q101 (now there is rather long green wire). > > > > The position of the C153 and C154 is fixed now - they are now close to the > Q101. The wire to G2 is removed, too. After that, the RSSI indicator behaves > normal (0 mV when no signal). Thank you for your hints. Hmmm, this is *very* interesting :) Can you confirm that the change in RSSI occured after placing the capacitors close to Q101 and not after soldering up the partitions or the lid or other changes? Did you observe an increase in communication range? I have no theoretical explanation for such a behaviour. Basically, it looks like if Q101 were oscillating. But oscillations occur when so much energy from output of some part of system (this time Q101) gets to the input so that when it does next round, it's bigger, and then it grows bigger and bigger (even the tiniest quantum noise starts oscillation this way). It grows bigger and bigger until some part of the circuit stops keeping up due to nonlinearity, and lets the total loop gain drop from >1 to 1. Then the oscillation reaches stable point. However, RSSI 56mV corresponds to *very* tiny signal on Q101. As there is no significant nonlinearity present in Q101 on these scales, it remains a mystery. CL< > > anMic > > > > > > Try soldering the fixed lid along the edge and the partitions too > > (that's how I do it an how it's in the guide). Does 56mV disappear > > when RX is closed? > > > > I have added a note that the partitions should be soldered all along, > > not just in several points. > > > > Tell how many mV RSSI without signal then you get. > > > > During replying to this mail I discovered the RX building guide needs > > repair - there are old capacitor numbers which don't make sense to the > > builder. I have fixed them. > > > > CL< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu May 26 06:32:03 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu May 26 06:32:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <4294C013.4060108@hkfree.org> References: <200505252000.25554@centrum.cz> <4294C013.4060108@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <200505260732.03987.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne st 25. kv?tna 2005 20:12 Kendy - HKFree napsal(a): > Ne to ne, > > jestli hovorime o trubkach 125mm tak pouzivam vicko na 125mm Ja zase pouzivam vicko na DN110 (o stupen mensi) a mezeru vyplnim tak ze z DN125 uriznu krouzek o sirce cca 2cm, a ten na obvode o kousek zkratim. pasuje to naprosto perfektne S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Thu May 26 12:49:35 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu May 26 12:53:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <200505260732.03987.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200505252000.25554@centrum.cz> <4294C013.4060108@hkfree.org> <200505260732.03987.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20050526114935.GB6532@kestrel> I think the transmitter could be done in plastic, if aluminium foil would be glued inside reliably (for example by epoxy, not something that ages and can peel off), and one gets positive approval from firefighters. CL< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu May 26 13:22:04 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Thu May 26 13:26:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <20050526114935.GB6532@kestrel> References: <200505260732.03987.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <4295DB8C.14998.439753@localhost> Co se tyce sedivych PVC trubek, tak s tou horlavosti to neni valne. Delame z toho uz nejaky patek raketove motory. O oranzovyh to ale tvrdit nemuzu. Viz treba http://raketky.ebox.cz/fs.htm sekce Motory na TPH kategorie plaste. Obzlaste poucna je kategorie obr?zky, ruzne, kde jsou videt ruzne havarie. Motorky z plastovych trubek bouchaji, nafukuji se a sem tam prohori plast, ale jeste se nikomu nestalo, ze by trubka shorela cela. Jina kategorie je smes plastisol (surove praskove PVC bez retarderu horeni) + dusicnan amonny. Petr > I think the transmitter could be done in plastic, if aluminium foil > would be glued inside reliably (for example by epoxy, not something that > ages and can peel off), and one gets positive approval from > firefighters. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu May 26 16:37:20 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu May 26 16:41:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <4295DB8C.14998.439753@localhost> References: <200505260732.03987.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <4295DB8C.14998.439753@localhost> Message-ID: <20050526153720.GB10213@kestrel> On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 02:22:04PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > Co se tyce sedivych PVC trubek, tak s tou horlavosti to neni valne. Delame z toho uz > nejaky patek raketove motory. O oranzovyh to ale tvrdit nemuzu. > Viz treba http://raketky.ebox.cz/fs.htm sekce Motory na TPH kategorie plaste. > Obzlaste poucna je kategorie obr?zky, ruzne, kde jsou videt ruzne havarie. Motorky z > plastovych trubek bouchaji, nafukuji se a sem tam prohori plast, ale jeste se nikomu > nestalo, ze by trubka shorela cela. > > Jina kategorie je smes plastisol (surove praskove PVC bez retarderu horeni) + > dusicnan amonny. Aren't these retardants in PVC pipes brominated flame retardants? I would personally like to avoid PVC (Dioxins produced during manufacture and disposal) and anything with brominated flame retardands. If the user is going to cut the pipe, he will breathe in the dust. He already has enough brominated flame retardands in his body (assuming a typical Wester civilized user) to rise serious health concerns, so he shouldn't add any more ;-) On the other way, iron dust is probably even healthy (prevents lack of iron in body and anaemia ;-) ) CL< From talpa at suchdol.net Thu May 26 17:15:25 2005 From: talpa at suchdol.net (Ales Pavel) Date: Thu May 26 17:16:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky In-Reply-To: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> References: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <4295F61D.1060503@suchdol.net> to je tim ze pouzivate cervenou a ne sedou trubku ktera je stavena na slunicko:-D interni hajzl trubku bych nepouzival:-D cervena se za 10 let zacne lamat... >> >>>rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. kdyz >>> >>> > > From anmic at fmg.sk Thu May 26 18:34:39 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Thu May 26 18:34:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange RSSI References: <20050523185115.GA18229@kestrel><000601c56159$854e1e00$0201a8c0@anmic> <20050525195822.GC1316@kestrel> Message-ID: <001401c56219$36bda5b0$0201a8c0@anmic> > > > Put C154 and C153 next to Q101 (now there is rather long green wire). > > > > The position of the C153 and C154 is fixed now - they are now close to the > > Q101. The wire to G2 is removed, too. After that, the RSSI indicator behaves > > normal (0 mV when no signal). Thank you for your hints. > > Hmmm, this is *very* interesting :) > > Can you confirm that the change in RSSI occured after placing the > capacitors close to Q101 and not after soldering up the partitions or > the lid or other changes? I can only confirm the fact that now it's working all right (nothing indicates it goes wrong). I hope I'll have more free time soon to send you the testpoints values and more information which I hope could explain this "mystery". anMic > > Did you observe an increase in communication range? > > I have no theoretical explanation for such a behaviour. > > Basically, it looks like if Q101 were oscillating. But oscillations > occur when so much energy from output of some part of system (this > time Q101) gets to the input so that when it does next round, it's > bigger, and then it grows bigger and bigger (even the tiniest quantum > noise starts oscillation this way). > > It grows bigger and bigger until some part of the circuit stops keeping > up due to nonlinearity, and lets the total loop gain drop from >1 to 1. > Then the oscillation reaches stable point. > > However, RSSI 56mV corresponds to *very* tiny signal on Q101. As there > is no significant nonlinearity present in Q101 on these scales, it > remains a mystery. > > CL< From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu May 26 18:41:35 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu May 26 18:41:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx Message-ID: <200505261941.26429@centrum.cz> Nedavno Jakub Ladman (sory jesi zas komolim jmeno) rikal ze mu k te jenho verzi twistra chybi dodelat dokumentace, ze to pak zverejni ... chtel bych vedet jak je to daleko? a na kolik funkcni je polsedni verze ..... ja sem na to uz docela zhavy, prece jenom spajet 3 IO misto dvaceti je trosku .... lepsi :) From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu May 26 21:33:33 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=9Aek?=) Date: Thu May 26 21:33:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Plastove trubky References: <200505231006.10870@centrum.cz> <4295F61D.1060503@suchdol.net> Message-ID: <002501c56232$2fe60de0$0103450a@thechosen> za deset let stejne odejde ledka a bude se to muset sundat a menit tak co a za 10 let to bude 100Mb ;) to neresim. to driv uhnije stozarek. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ales Pavel" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Plastove trubky > to je tim ze pouzivate cervenou a ne sedou trubku ktera je stavena na > slunicko:-D interni hajzl trubku bych nepouzival:-D > cervena se za 10 let zacne lamat... > > >> > >>>rok stara. na povrchu trosku vysisovaan od slunce ael jinak dobre. kdyz > >>> > >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0521-3, 26.05.2005 Testovano: 26.5.2005 22:33:34 avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu May 26 22:41:15 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu May 26 22:41:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <200505261941.26429@centrum.cz> References: <200505261941.26429@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200505262341.15994.ladmanj@volny.cz> Zatim z toho nic neni, protoze nemam cas a navic jsem liny prase. Dokumentace neni a neni dodelana finalni deska vcetne spinanyho zdroje. Ta= =20 testovaci ovsem chodi gut. Jen je furt jen jeden exemplar na svete. Jakub On Thursday 26 of May 2005 19:41, Jakub Michn=EDk wrote: > Nedavno Jakub Ladman (sory jesi zas komolim jmeno) rikal ze mu k te jenho > verzi twistra chybi dodelat dokumentace, ze to pak zverejni ... chtel bych > vedet jak je to daleko? a na kolik funkcni je polsedni verze ..... ja sem > na to uz docela zhavy, prece jenom spajet 3 IO misto dvaceti je trosku ..= =2E. > lepsi :) > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kendy at hkfree.org Fri May 27 07:58:33 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Fri May 27 07:58:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <200505262341.15994.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200505261941.26429@centrum.cz> <200505262341.15994.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4296C519.3020606@hkfree.org> Tak to nekomu zadej at ti udela k tomu dokumentaci, myslim ze se najde=20 hooodne lidi co by ti v (sorry za vyraz) tve lenosti vypomohli. Co ty na to ? -- Kendy HKfree Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > Zatim z toho nic neni, protoze nemam cas a navic jsem liny prase. > Dokumentace neni a neni dodelana finalni deska vcetne spinanyho zdroje.= Ta=20 > testovaci ovsem chodi gut. Jen je furt jen jeden exemplar na svete. > Jakub >=20 > On Thursday 26 of May 2005 19:41, Jakub Michn=EDk wrote: >=20 >>Nedavno Jakub Ladman (sory jesi zas komolim jmeno) rikal ze mu k te jen= ho >>verzi twistra chybi dodelat dokumentace, ze to pak zverejni ... chtel b= ych >>vedet jak je to daleko? a na kolik funkcni je polsedni verze ..... ja s= em >>na to uz docela zhavy, prece jenom spajet 3 IO misto dvaceti je trosku = .... >>lepsi :) >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Fri May 27 08:38:22 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Fri May 27 08:38:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx Message-ID: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: kendy@hkfree.org > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 27.05.2005 08:58 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > Tak to nekomu zadej at ti udela k tomu dokumentaci, myslim ze se najd= e > hooodne lidi co by ti v (sorry za vyraz) tve lenosti vypomohli. a jak ma podle tebe vypadat ta dokumentace? navod podobny navodu na tw= istr? nebo i popis celeho programu a jine detaily? jestli de o www str= anky, tak bych mooozna neco udelat mohl, ale nejsem v tom zadny borec, = nicmene mam ted dlouhe prazdniny tak bych si stim eventuelne mohl vyhra= t... ale rikam ze zalezi jak ma ta dokumentace vypadat. myslim si ze je= to velka skoda ze to este neni, dyt jestli ten jeden modul je na svete= .... snad pul roku? nebo ctvrt i to je dost ...... >=20 > Co ty na to ? >=20 >=20 > -- > Kendy > HKfree >=20 > Jakub Ladman napsal(a): >=20 > > Zatim z toho nic neni, protoze nemam cas a navic jsem liny prase. > > Dokumentace neni a neni dodelana finalni deska vcetne spinanyho zdr= oje. > Ta > testovaci ovsem chodi gut. Jen je furt jen jeden exemplar na sve= te. > > Jakub > > > On Thursday 26 of May 2005 19:41, Jakub Michn=EDk wrote: > > >>Nedavno Jakub Ladman (sory jesi zas komolim jmeno) rikal ze mu k = te > jenho > >>verzi twistra chybi dodelat dokumentace, ze to pak zverejni ... cht= el > bych > >>vedet jak je to daleko? a na kolik funkcni je polsedni verze ..... = ja > sem > >>na to uz docela zhavy, prece jenom spajet 3 IO misto dvaceti je tro= sku > .... > >>lepsi :) > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Fri May 27 12:07:40 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Fri May 27 12:07:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] obdelniky na 26LS32 Message-ID: <200505271307.14290@centrum.cz> nedavno jsem mel problem s jednim twistrem, ktery jenom obcas prijmul naky bajt. ted jsem se k tomu po delsi dobe dostal a neco pomeril. zjistil jsem, (osciloskopem) ze na pinu 11 26LS32 se zhruba co 0,2s - 1s obevi obdelnik dlouhy asi 0,1s ... casy jsem trefil jenom od oka, ale mohlo by to tak byt. druhy twistr co jede v pohode to tam nema. obdelniky jsou krasne pravouhle, obevuji se porad a nepravidelne. na vstupech 9 a 10 jsem nenameril nic. tedy nic zajimaho, zadny obdelnik nebo tak. Je mozne ze tam se sitovky neco leze, ale analog 20MHz oscilem to jde tezko videt ... vi nekdo v cem muze byt chyba??? mam vymenit ten 26LS32 ?? diky From clarkrjk at yahoo.com Fri May 27 12:18:23 2005 From: clarkrjk at yahoo.com (_) Date: Fri May 27 12:18:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange problem Message-ID: <20050527111823.77178.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all. I'm having a strange problem with a variant of Ronja that I'm working on. I have a 27k resistor soldered onto a PCB. Now, I solder a 75k resistor to one wire of a stretch of (open ended) twisted pair cable that has been cut out of a CAT-5 cable. The capacitance between the 2 wires in the twisted pair is about 45pF. Then I solder the free end of the 75k resistor to one end of the 27k resistor that's already soldered onto the PCB and I solder the other wire of the twisted pair to the other end of the 27k resistor. So it's basically a 45pF capacitor in series with a 75k resistor, all soldered in parallel with a 27k resistor on the PCB. Now: when I have the twisted pair cable held horizontally I get no ping packets received. However, when I lift the twisted pair to the vertical, I get all ping packets received. Does anyone know what is going on and how I can get this to work without using a twisted pair? Thanks, Ralph __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clock at twibright.com Fri May 27 15:42:22 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri May 27 15:46:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] obdelniky na 26LS32 In-Reply-To: <200505271307.14290@centrum.cz> References: <200505271307.14290@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050527144222.GB26122@kestrel.twibright.com> On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 01:07:40PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > nedavno jsem mel problem s jednim twistrem, ktery jenom obcas prijmul naky bajt. ted jsem se k tomu po delsi dobe dostal a neco pomeril. > > zjistil jsem, (osciloskopem) ze na pinu 11 26LS32 se zhruba co 0,2s - 1s obevi obdelnik dlouhy asi 0,1s ... casy jsem trefil jenom od oka, ale mohlo by to tak byt. druhy twistr co jede v pohode to tam nema. obdelniky jsou krasne pravouhle, obevuji se porad a nepravidelne. na vstupech 9 a 10 jsem nenameril nic. tedy nic zajimaho, zadny obdelnik nebo tak. Je mozne ze tam se sitovky neco leze, ale analog 20MHz oscilem to jde tezko videt ... > > vi nekdo v cem muze byt chyba??? mam vymenit ten 26LS32 ?? Maybe there is some bad joint. For example I soldered a twister and it didn't work because 3 pins were forgotten to be soldered. Are the chips in sockets? CL< From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Fri May 27 18:04:57 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Fri May 27 18:05:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] obdelniky na 26LS32 Message-ID: <200505271904.7770@centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: clock@twibright.com > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 27.05.2005 16:47 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] obdelniky na 26LS32 > > On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 01:07:40PM +0200, Jakub Michn=EDk wrote: > > nedavno jsem mel problem s jednim twistrem, ktery jenom obcas prijm= ul > naky bajt. ted jsem se k tomu po delsi dobe dostal a neco pomeril.=20 > >=20 > > zjistil jsem, (osciloskopem) ze na pinu 11 26LS32 se zhruba co 0,2s= - > 1s obevi obdelnik dlouhy asi 0,1s ... casy jsem trefil jenom od oka, = ale > mohlo by to tak byt. druhy twistr co jede v pohode to tam nema. obdel= niky > jsou krasne pravouhle, obevuji se porad a nepravidelne. na vstupech 9= a > 10 jsem nenameril nic. tedy nic zajimaho, zadny obdelnik nebo tak. Je > mozne ze tam se sitovky neco leze, ale analog 20MHz oscilem to jde te= zko > videt ... > >=20 > > vi nekdo v cem muze byt chyba??? mam vymenit ten 26LS32 ?? >=20 > Maybe there is some bad joint. For example I soldered a twister and i= t > didn't work because 3 pins were forgotten to be soldered. to sem kontroloval uz mockrat. ted este jednou, propajel sem 26LS32 a e= ste jeden IO ale nic ... ty obdelniky tam porad sou ..... netusim kde s= e berou .... kdyby byly nake kratke, nake aspon kHz ale ony sou dlouhe = jak byk .... nic takoveho v twistru co ja vim neni, neco co by delalo t= akyvy kmitocet ...... zajiomave je, ze kdyz odpojim sitovy kabel tak uz= tam ty obdelnky nejsou .... ale s tim samym kablem, sitovkou, kompem, = ten druhy twistr chodi >=20 > Are the chips in sockets? >=20 v paticich nejsou > CL< >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat May 28 11:26:22 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat May 28 11:30:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] obdelniky na 26LS32 In-Reply-To: <200505271904.7770@centrum.cz> References: <200505271904.7770@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050528102622.GA17617@kestrel> On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 07:04:57PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: clock@twibright.com > > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > > CC: > > Datum: 27.05.2005 16:47 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] obdelniky na 26LS32 > > > > On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 01:07:40PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > nedavno jsem mel problem s jednim twistrem, ktery jenom obcas prijmul > > naky bajt. ted jsem se k tomu po delsi dobe dostal a neco pomeril. > > > > > > zjistil jsem, (osciloskopem) ze na pinu 11 26LS32 se zhruba co 0,2s - > > 1s obevi obdelnik dlouhy asi 0,1s ... casy jsem trefil jenom od oka, ale > > mohlo by to tak byt. druhy twistr co jede v pohode to tam nema. obdelniky > > jsou krasne pravouhle, obevuji se porad a nepravidelne. na vstupech 9 a > > 10 jsem nenameril nic. tedy nic zajimaho, zadny obdelnik nebo tak. Je > > mozne ze tam se sitovky neco leze, ale analog 20MHz oscilem to jde tezko > > videt ... > > > > > > vi nekdo v cem muze byt chyba??? mam vymenit ten 26LS32 ?? > > > > Maybe there is some bad joint. For example I soldered a twister and it > > didn't work because 3 pins were forgotten to be soldered. > > to sem kontroloval uz mockrat. ted este jednou, propajel sem 26LS32 a > este jeden IO ale nic ... ty obdelniky tam porad sou ..... netusim kde > se berou .... kdyby byly nake kratke, nake aspon kHz ale ony sou > dlouhe jak byk .... nic takoveho v twistru co ja vim neni, neco co by > delalo takyvy kmitocet ...... zajiomave je, ze kdyz odpojim sitovy > kabel tak uz tam ty obdelnky nejsou .... ale s tim samym kablem, > sitovkou, kompem, ten druhy twistr chodi Hmmm... doesn't make sense to me. Looks like some slow signal (link integrity pulses?) were further divided. Is the error signal regular? Isn't some chip populated with wrong type (like 74hc93 instead of 74HC00 or something like that? :) ) CL< From clock at twibright.com Sat May 28 11:28:00 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat May 28 11:32:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange problem In-Reply-To: <20050527111823.77178.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050527111823.77178.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050528102800.GB17617@kestrel> It's not clear to me what you are trying to achieve. Make Ronja Twister work? Then perform according to the guide and if it doesn't work, report the point of failure. If you don't understand electronics and/or how Ronja works inside, and would like to tinker with Ronja, then a good idea is checking http://ronja.twibright.com/how.php and then asking questions in this style about the particular part of Twister you are interested in. CL< On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 04:18:23AM -0700, _ wrote: > Hi all. I'm having a strange problem with a variant of Ronja > that I'm working on. > > I have a 27k resistor soldered onto a PCB. > > Now, I solder a 75k resistor to one wire of a stretch of > (open ended) twisted pair cable that has been cut out of a > CAT-5 cable. > The capacitance between the 2 wires in the twisted pair is > about 45pF. Then I solder the free end of the 75k resistor to > one end of the 27k resistor that's already soldered onto the > PCB and I solder the other wire of the twisted pair to the > other end of the 27k resistor. > > So it's basically a 45pF capacitor in series with a 75k > resistor, all soldered in parallel with a 27k resistor on the > PCB. > > Now: when I have the twisted pair cable held horizontally I > get no ping packets received. However, when I lift the > twisted pair to the vertical, I get all ping packets > received. > > Does anyone know what is going on and how I can get this to > work without using a twisted pair? > > Thanks, > > Ralph > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun May 29 23:20:59 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun May 29 23:21:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] switches with hack possibilities References: <20050418172644.91008.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> <20050418180013.GA24740@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <002701c5649c$b1314880$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Ovislink FSH5R ma plnou sadu LEDek, takze je to to nejjednodussi na upravu zelenou LED aktivity 1. port a zlutou LEDku duplex 2. port pripojit dratkem na zem, nastavi se 1. port na 10 Mbit FD, prepnuti je i indikovano zlutou LED duplex 1. port. Pokusne overeno na sestave: 2 komply - hack_FSH5R - ronja - hack_dexlan (z predch. mailu) - obyc. svic server Cipis From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon May 30 07:01:15 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon May 30 06:55:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Friday 27 of May 2005 9:38, Jakub Michn=EDk wrote: > ale rikam ze zalezi jak ma ta dokumentace vypadat. myslim si ze je to vel= ka > skoda ze to este neni, dyt jestli ten jeden modul je na svete .... snad p= ul > roku? nebo ctvrt i to je dost ...... No s--e mne to znacne, ale ze spousta lidi mi pomoc prislibilo, ale skutek= =20 utek. Co se ovsem tyce exploze do sveta to visi na tom abych dodelal novou= =20 desku. Problem cislo 1. s deskou je (byl) ze jsem dlouho nevedel jak zaridi= t=20 trafo do PoE sehnatelny pro vsechny za odpovidajici penize, ale na to jsem = v=20 patek prisel, ze se pouzije tlumivka za 34,- z GME a primota se na ni=20 sekundar (36z neni mnoho). Problem c 2. ze se neda sehnat odpovidajici=20 krabicka. Bud bude krabicka nechutne velka, a nebo se to bude muset=20 preroutovat jako oboustrany tistak, ale spatroval jsem velkou vyhodu v tom,= =20 ze to mam na jednostrannym, ze se to da udelat nakolene. Zatim cau, dneska s tim mozna trosku pohnu, mel bych dneska zkompletovat=20 vzorek toho zdroje PoE a zmerit jak chodi. Jakub From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon May 30 07:06:38 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon May 30 07:01:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strange problem In-Reply-To: <20050528102800.GB17617@kestrel> References: <20050527111823.77178.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050528102800.GB17617@kestrel> Message-ID: <200505300806.38808.ladmanj@volny.cz> Mas osciloskop? Jestli jo, nebo si to k nejakymu muzes donyst (kamos/ otec v praci a pod) tak proste postupuj od vystupu zpet do hloubky at lokalizujes podobvod, kde to vznika. Nehreje se ti na ty desce neco extremne? Jakub On Saturday 28 of May 2005 12:28, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > It's not clear to me what you are trying to achieve. > > Make Ronja Twister work? Then perform according to the guide and if it > doesn't work, report the point of failure. > > If you don't understand electronics and/or how Ronja works inside, and > would like to tinker with Ronja, then a good idea is checking > http://ronja.twibright.com/how.php and then asking questions in this > style about the particular part of Twister you are interested in. > > CL< > > On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 04:18:23AM -0700, _ wrote: > > Hi all. I'm having a strange problem with a variant of Ronja > > that I'm working on. > > > > I have a 27k resistor soldered onto a PCB. > > > > Now, I solder a 75k resistor to one wire of a stretch of > > (open ended) twisted pair cable that has been cut out of a > > CAT-5 cable. > > The capacitance between the 2 wires in the twisted pair is > > about 45pF. Then I solder the free end of the 75k resistor to > > one end of the 27k resistor that's already soldered onto the > > PCB and I solder the other wire of the twisted pair to the > > other end of the 27k resistor. > > > > So it's basically a 45pF capacitor in series with a 75k > > resistor, all soldered in parallel with a 27k resistor on the > > PCB. > > > > Now: when I have the twisted pair cable held horizontally I > > get no ping packets received. However, when I lift the > > twisted pair to the vertical, I get all ping packets > > received. > > > > Does anyone know what is going on and how I can get this to > > work without using a twisted pair? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ralph > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon May 30 07:10:11 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon May 30 07:10:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <221420222.20050530081011@volny.cz> Prosim te takovejde bastl bych do toho netahal. Imho se da to sitove trafko koupit integrovane primo v konektoru. Prodavaji ho na www.hw.cz a neco myslim maji i v GESu. Ondra JL> On Friday 27 of May 2005 9:38, Jakub Michn=EDk wrote: >> ale rikam ze zalezi jak ma ta dokumentace vypadat. myslim si ze je to ve= lka >> skoda ze to este neni, dyt jestli ten jeden modul je na svete .... snad = pul >> roku=3F nebo ctvrt i to je dost ...... JL> No s--e mne to znacne, ale ze spousta lidi mi pomoc prislibilo, ale sku= tek=20 JL> utek. Co se ovsem tyce exploze do sveta to visi na tom abych dodelal no= vou=20 JL> desku. Problem cislo 1. s deskou je (byl) ze jsem dlouho nevedel jak za= ridit=20 JL> trafo do PoE sehnatelny pro vsechny za odpovidajici penize, ale na to j= sem v=20 JL> patek prisel, ze se pouzije tlumivka za 34,- z GME a primota se na ni=20 JL> sekundar (36z neni mnoho). Problem c 2. ze se neda sehnat odpovidajici= =20 JL> krabicka. Bud bude krabicka nechutne velka, a nebo se to bude muset=20 JL> preroutovat jako oboustrany tistak, ale spatroval jsem velkou vyhodu v = tom,=20 JL> ze to mam na jednostrannym, ze se to da udelat nakolene. JL> Zatim cau, dneska s tim mozna trosku pohnu, mel bych dneska zkompletova= t=20 JL> vzorek toho zdroje PoE a zmerit jak chodi. JL> Jakub JL> _______________________________________________ JL> Ronja mailing list JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Mon May 30 10:44:33 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Mon May 30 08:40:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <221420222.20050530081011@volny.cz> References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> <221420222.20050530081011@volny.cz> Message-ID: Jenze on mluvil o PoE(power over ethernet) a ne o TP trafku.. Ale uprimne receno nechapu, k cemu tam to PoE bude - chces to davat primo do tubusu? To pak jo.. A jeste neco, to poe bude podle normy 48V? On Mon, 30 May 2005 08:10:11 +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Prosim te takovejde bastl bych do toho netahal. > Imho se da to sitove trafko koupit integrovane primo v konektoru. > Prodavaji ho na www.hw.cz a neco myslim maji i v GESu. > > Ondra > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Mon May 30 08:43:51 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Mon May 30 08:43:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx Message-ID: <200505300943.5092@centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: boza2@volny.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 30.05.2005 08:10 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re[2]: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > Prosim te takovejde bastl bych do toho netahal. > Imho se da to sitove trafko koupit integrovane primo v konektoru. > Prodavaji ho na www.hw.cz a neco myslim maji i v GESu. mno, taky si myslim ze to neni nejidealnejsi reseni, ale aspon tak, hla= vne at to uz je :) ... a byl by vekly problem udelat na te desce "vic = moznosti" a kazdy by si zapajel co by uznal za vhodne? kdo by chtel dat= kilo za konektror z GESu tak by si ho tam dal, ja bych si raci vypajel= trafo ze sitovky, nekdo raci namota civku ... myslim ze by to tak mohl= o jit, ne? je fakt ze se asi natahnou rozmery ale to se nak prezije :) = =2E.... musi byt krabicka plechova? nemohlo by postacit jako stineni 2.= strana plosnaku? ze by byla ciste jenom cela pripojena na zem. bez jin= ych spoju, takze kdyby nekdo chtel, muze udelat 1 strannu a dat do plec= hu, jiny muze udelat 2 strany jako stineni. snad vsechny switche nebo p= odobne veci sou v plastove pixli a nic nerusi. ... jestli je tam 1 xili= nx ktery to skoro vsechno dela, neni mozne aby to neco rusilo :) >=20 > Ondra >=20 > JL> On Friday 27 of May 2005 9:38, Jakub Michn=EDk wrote: > >> ale rikam ze zalezi jak ma ta dokumentace vypadat. myslim si ze je= to > velka > >> skoda ze to este neni, dyt jestli ten jeden modul je na svete ....= snad > pul > >> roku? nebo ctvrt i to je dost ...... >=20 >=20 > JL> No s--e mne to znacne, ale ze spousta lidi mi pomoc prislibilo, a= le > skutek=20 > JL> utek. Co se ovsem tyce exploze do sveta to visi na tom abych dode= lal > novou=20 > JL> desku. Problem cislo 1. s deskou je (byl) ze jsem dlouho nevedel = jak > zaridit=20 > JL> trafo do PoE sehnatelny pro vsechny za odpovidajici penize, ale n= a to > jsem v=20 > JL> patek prisel, ze se pouzije tlumivka za 34,- z GME a primota se n= a ni=20 > JL> sekundar (36z neni mnoho). Problem c 2. ze se neda sehnat odpovid= ajici >=20 > JL> krabicka. Bud bude krabicka nechutne velka, a nebo se to bude mus= et=20 > JL> preroutovat jako oboustrany tistak, ale spatroval jsem velkou vyh= odu v > tom,=20 > JL> ze to mam na jednostrannym, ze se to da udelat nakolene. >=20 > JL> Zatim cau, dneska s tim mozna trosku pohnu, mel bych dneska > zkompletovat=20 > JL> vzorek toho zdroje PoE a zmerit jak chodi. > JL> Jakub >=20 > JL> _______________________________________________ > JL> Ronja mailing list > JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Mon May 30 08:45:39 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Mon May 30 08:45:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx Message-ID: <200505300945.5533@centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: daniel.strnad@tiscali.cz > Komu: "Ondrej Tesar" , "Twibright Ronja" > CC:=20 > Datum: 30.05.2005 09:41 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: Re[2]: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > Jenze on mluvil o PoE(power over ethernet) a ne o TP trafku.. Ale upr= imne=20 > receno nechapu, k cemu tam to PoE bude - chces to davat primo do tubu= su?=20 > To pak jo.. A jeste neco, to poe bude podle normy 48V? aha, takze to sem i ja odpovedel na neco kapku jineho :) ... sory ... := ) >=20 >=20 > On Mon, 30 May 2005 08:10:11 +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: >=20 > > Prosim te takovejde bastl bych do toho netahal. > > Imho se da to sitove trafko koupit integrovane primo v konektoru. > > Prodavaji ho na www.hw.cz a neco myslim maji i v GESu. > > > > Ondra > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon May 30 11:52:00 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 30 11:56:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050530105157.GA16570@kestrel> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 08:01:15AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Friday 27 of May 2005 9:38, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > ale rikam ze zalezi jak ma ta dokumentace vypadat. myslim si ze je to velka > > skoda ze to este neni, dyt jestli ten jeden modul je na svete .... snad pul > > roku? nebo ctvrt i to je dost ...... > > > No s--e mne to znacne, ale ze spousta lidi mi pomoc prislibilo, ale skutek > utek. Co se ovsem tyce exploze do sveta to visi na tom abych dodelal novou > desku. Problem cislo 1. s deskou je (byl) ze jsem dlouho nevedel jak zaridit > trafo do PoE sehnatelny pro vsechny za odpovidajici penize, ale na to jsem v > patek prisel, ze se pouzije tlumivka za 34,- z GME a primota se na ni > sekundar (36z neni mnoho). Problem c 2. ze se neda sehnat odpovidajici > krabicka. Bud bude krabicka nechutne velka, a nebo se to bude muset > preroutovat jako oboustrany tistak, ale spatroval jsem velkou vyhodu v tom, > ze to mam na jednostrannym, ze se to da udelat nakolene. I would recommend making it as two-sided, with silkscreen and soldermask. Anything worse sucks during population according to my point of view :) CL< > > Zatim cau, dneska s tim mozna trosku pohnu, mel bych dneska zkompletovat > vzorek toho zdroje PoE a zmerit jak chodi. > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From santiago at mail.cz Mon May 30 12:23:58 2005 From: santiago at mail.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Mon May 30 12:24:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050530112358.GA7781@feanor> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 08:01:15AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Friday 27 of May 2005 9:38, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > ale rikam ze zalezi jak ma ta dokumentace vypadat. myslim si ze je to velka > desku. Problem cislo 1. s deskou je (byl) ze jsem dlouho nevedel jak zaridit > trafo do PoE sehnatelny pro vsechny za odpovidajici penize, ale na to jsem v > patek prisel, ze se pouzije tlumivka za 34,- z GME a primota se na ni k POE - ja bych to radsi napajel z vnitrnich rozvodu PC. Myslim, ze by POE bylo lepsi jako option. > sekundar (36z neni mnoho). Problem c 2. ze se neda sehnat odpovidajici > krabicka. Bud bude krabicka nechutne velka, a nebo se to bude muset > preroutovat jako oboustrany tistak, ale spatroval jsem velkou vyhodu v tom, > ze to mam na jednostrannym, ze se to da udelat nakolene. Jake jsou tve odhady v obou variantach? Idealni by bylo, kdyby se to veslo do U-AH102. Planujes zachovat napajeni hlavic pres stineni datovych kabelu, nebo mas tam nejakou upravu? -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From clock at twibright.com Mon May 30 14:34:02 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 30 14:38:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <221420222.20050530081011@volny.cz> References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> <221420222.20050530081011@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050530133402.GB16570@kestrel> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 08:10:11AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Prosim te takovejde bastl bych do toho netahal. > Imho se da to sitove trafko koupit integrovane primo v konektoru. > Prodavaji ho na www.hw.cz a neco myslim maji i v GESu. > > Ondra > > JL> On Friday 27 of May 2005 9:38, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > >> ale rikam ze zalezi jak ma ta dokumentace vypadat. myslim si ze je to velka > >> skoda ze to este neni, dyt jestli ten jeden modul je na svete .... snad pul > >> roku? nebo ctvrt i to je dost ...... > > > JL> No s--e mne to znacne, ale ze spousta lidi mi pomoc prislibilo, ale skutek > JL> utek. Co se ovsem tyce exploze do sveta to visi na tom abych dodelal novou > JL> desku. Problem cislo 1. s deskou je (byl) ze jsem dlouho nevedel jak zaridit > JL> trafo do PoE sehnatelny pro vsechny za odpovidajici penize, ale na to jsem v > JL> patek prisel, ze se pouzije tlumivka za 34,- z GME a primota se na ni > JL> sekundar (36z neni mnoho). Problem c 2. ze se neda sehnat odpovidajici > JL> krabicka. Bud bude krabicka nechutne velka, a nebo se to bude muset I suggest designing a custom box probably anyway. Nothing like "universal box" exists worldwide. It may exist maybe for GM customers, but this is really not portable. BTW I once needed RX and TX box and didn't have ones from GM so designed drill templates for them and did them myself - and it was quick and nice :) Actually, this has 2 advantages: 1) Drilling holes is much easier into tin sheet than into wobbly pre-made box. I once unintentionally wound up the box on 10mm drill! (and then had to strighten it out again ;-) ) 2) Anyone can buy couple of tin sheets, print out the templates, glue them and cut them out with shears. Then he can sell them and send by post order in normal letter envelopes :) A bit more expensive product can be pre-drilled the same. (I already suggested this already to Jakub Horky, owner of the currently-down domain ronjashop.com) CL< > JL> preroutovat jako oboustrany tistak, ale spatroval jsem velkou vyhodu v tom, > JL> ze to mam na jednostrannym, ze se to da udelat nakolene. > > JL> Zatim cau, dneska s tim mozna trosku pohnu, mel bych dneska zkompletovat > JL> vzorek toho zdroje PoE a zmerit jak chodi. > JL> Jakub From clock at twibright.com Mon May 30 14:53:24 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 30 14:57:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <200505300943.5092@centrum.cz> References: <200505300943.5092@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050530135324.GA18091@kestrel> > > Datum: 30.05.2005 08:10 > > P?edm?t: Re[2]: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > > > Prosim te takovejde bastl bych do toho netahal. > > Imho se da to sitove trafko koupit integrovane primo v konektoru. > > Prodavaji ho na www.hw.cz a neco myslim maji i v GESu. > > mno, taky si myslim ze to neni nejidealnejsi reseni, ale aspon tak, > hlavne at to uz je :) ... a byl by vekly problem udelat na te desce > "vic moznosti" a kazdy by si zapajel co by uznal za vhodne? kdo by > chtel dat kilo za konektror z GESu tak by si ho tam dal, ja bych si > raci vypajel trafo ze sitovky, nekdo raci namota civku ... myslim ze > by to tak mohlo jit, ne? je fakt ze se asi natahnou rozmery ale to se > nak prezije :) ..... musi byt krabicka plechova? nemohlo by postacit > jako stineni 2. strana plosnaku? ze by byla ciste jenom cela pripojena > na zem. bez jinych spoju, takze kdyby nekdo chtel, muze udelat 1 > strannu a dat do plechu, jiny muze udelat 2 strany jako stineni. snad > vsechny switche nebo podobne veci sou v plastove pixli a nic nerusi. I had a PC in closed metal case and it was interfering with radio. Even with ferrites on leads. Only after screws about 5cm apart were added to the case and metal mesh into free floppy drive slots, the radio reception was finally clean. "Doesn't interfere with anything" means that you don't have anything sensitive. I don't like the idea of plastic case. CL< > ... jestli je tam 1 xilinx ktery to skoro vsechno dela, neni mozne aby > to neco rusilo :) From clock at twibright.com Mon May 30 14:54:30 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 30 14:58:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> <221420222.20050530081011@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050530135430.GB18091@kestrel> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 09:44:33AM -0000, Daniel Strnad wrote: > Jenze on mluvil o PoE(power over ethernet) a ne o TP trafku.. Ale uprimne > receno nechapu, k cemu tam to PoE bude - chces to davat primo do tubusu? > To pak jo.. A jeste neco, to poe bude podle normy 48V? If it should go into the optical head, is the Xilinx in an extended temperature range? CL< From krepa at seznam.cz Mon May 30 15:44:46 2005 From: krepa at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Pavel=20Krejci?=) Date: Mon May 30 15:44:49 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20Re=5B2=5D=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Twister=20=26=20xilinx?= In-Reply-To: <20050530135430.GB18091@kestrel> Message-ID: <266.1101-28604-1238879246-1117464286@seznam.cz> Yes, the last letter makes difference C: 0 - 70 degC I: -40 - 85 degC P. > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 09:44:33AM -0000, Daniel Strnad wrote: > > Jenze on mluvil o PoE(power over ethernet) a ne o TP trafku.. Ale uprimne > > receno nechapu, k cemu tam to PoE bude - chces to davat primo do tubusu? > > To pak jo.. A jeste neco, to poe bude podle normy 48V? > > If it should go into the optical head, is the Xilinx in an extended > temperature range? > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Mon May 30 16:17:11 2005 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Mon May 30 16:17:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <200505300943.5092@centrum.cz> References: <200505300943.5092@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <429B2E77.7010800@tiscali.cz> Jakub Michník wrote: > snad vsechny switche nebo podobne veci sou v plastove pixli a nic nerusi. ... Myslim ze levne smejdoswitche nejsou zrovna vec, ze ktere by si clovek mel brat priklad... Martin From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon May 30 16:24:26 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon May 30 16:28:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <429B2E77.7010800@tiscali.cz> References: <200505300943.5092@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <429B4C4A.19788.6290CB@localhost> Jen klid. ronja je v plechovejch krabicich, koaxy ma taky a stejne rusi. Kdo neveri at si za provozu pichne osciliskop mezi stineni RX a TX koaxu. Petr > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > snad vsechny switche nebo podobne veci sou v plastove pixli a nic nerusi. ... > > Myslim ze levne smejdoswitche nejsou zrovna vec, ze ktere by si clovek mel brat > priklad... > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Mon May 30 18:23:17 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Mon May 30 18:23:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx Message-ID: <200505301923.6566@centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: martin.stachon@tiscali.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 30.05.2005 17:17 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > Jakub Michn=EDk wrote: > > snad vsechny switche nebo podobne veci sou v plastove pixli a nic > nerusi. ... >=20 > Myslim ze levne smejdoswitche nejsou zrovna vec, ze ktere by si clove= k mel > brat > priklad... ja nerikam ze si z nich mame brat vylozene priklad, ale nak tak sem si = to spojil s tim ze to funguje podobne, nebo spis ze se tam nachazi podo= bne frekvence, a kydz udajne nerusi ony (switche), proc by mel rusim tw= ister s jednim xilinxem ... ja teda do vysokych frekvenci moc nevidim, = ale nak sem si to tak s tim spojil no :) co se plechove krabicky tyce ...jesi uz je to urcene na to, aby se to d= alo primo do trubky, nebylo by na skodu udelat ten xilinxovy twistr (de= jte uz tomu kurna nekdo naky nazev, kdo to ma porad vypisovat :) ) komb= inovany s Tx .... v podstate by slo vyhodit vsechno pred tu trojici bud= icich invertoru..... a uz by to bylo uplne super ne? misto 3 TS 2, min = pajeni, min krabicek .... min dratovani.... PS: v jakem programu kreslis tistak? ... a schena... >=20 > Martin >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon May 30 18:30:46 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon May 30 18:30:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <221420222.20050530081011@volny.cz> References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> <221420222.20050530081011@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200505301930.47141.ladmanj@volny.cz> Pozor _O_M_Y_L_ !!!!! Nehovorim o TP trafu, ale o trafu spinaneho zdroje,=20 ktere bude ze 18-60V na vstupu delat 12V pro Rx a TX a 5 pro budice a 3.3V= =20 pro xilinxe a oscilator. Jakub Ladman On Monday 30 of May 2005 8:10, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Prosim te takovejde bastl bych do toho netahal. > Imho se da to sitove trafko koupit integrovane primo v konektoru. > Prodavaji ho na www.hw.cz a neco myslim maji i v GESu. > > Ondra > > JL> On Friday 27 of May 2005 9:38, Jakub Michn=EDk wrote: > >> ale rikam ze zalezi jak ma ta dokumentace vypadat. myslim si ze je to > >> velka skoda ze to este neni, dyt jestli ten jeden modul je na svete ..= =2E. > >> snad pul roku? nebo ctvrt i to je dost ...... > > JL> No s--e mne to znacne, ale ze spousta lidi mi pomoc prislibilo, ale > skutek JL> utek. Co se ovsem tyce exploze do sveta to visi na tom abych > dodelal novou JL> desku. Problem cislo 1. s deskou je (byl) ze jsem dlouho > nevedel jak zaridit JL> trafo do PoE sehnatelny pro vsechny za odpovidaji= ci > penize, ale na to jsem v JL> patek prisel, ze se pouzije tlumivka za 34,-= z > GME a primota se na ni JL> sekundar (36z neni mnoho). Problem c 2. ze se > neda sehnat odpovidajici JL> krabicka. Bud bude krabicka nechutne velka, a > nebo se to bude muset JL> preroutovat jako oboustrany tistak, ale spatrov= al > jsem velkou vyhodu v tom, JL> ze to mam na jednostrannym, ze se to da > udelat nakolene. > > JL> Zatim cau, dneska s tim mozna trosku pohnu, mel bych dneska > zkompletovat JL> vzorek toho zdroje PoE a zmerit jak chodi. > JL> Jakub > > JL> _______________________________________________ > JL> Ronja mailing list > JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon May 30 18:44:01 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon May 30 18:44:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <20050530105157.GA16570@kestrel> References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050530105157.GA16570@kestrel> Message-ID: <200505301944.01801.ladmanj@volny.cz> > I would recommend making it as two-sided, with silkscreen and > soldermask. > > Anything worse sucks during population according to my point of view :) Also in this case? (see attachment) Of course there will be data for PCB manufacturer to make the board with solder stop mask and silkscreen, but i think that silkscreen is expensive luxury for this simple pcb. Picture in attachment is only preview, there will be some changes. Jakub Ladman -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spider_preview.png Type: image/png Size: 27793 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050530/9982eb90/spider_preview-0001.png From clock at twibright.com Mon May 30 18:59:50 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon May 30 19:04:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <266.1101-28604-1238879246-1117464286@seznam.cz> References: <20050530135430.GB18091@kestrel> <266.1101-28604-1238879246-1117464286@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050530175950.GA1659@kestrel> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 04:44:46PM +0200, Pavel Krejci wrote: > Yes, the last letter makes difference > C: 0 - 70 degC > I: -40 - 85 degC How much more expensive is the I range Xiling, how hard is it to get and is minimum takeaway quantity increased for I compared to C? CL< > > P. > > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 09:44:33AM -0000, Daniel Strnad wrote: > > > Jenze on mluvil o PoE(power over ethernet) a ne o TP trafku.. Ale uprimne > > > receno nechapu, k cemu tam to PoE bude - chces to davat primo do tubusu? > > > To pak jo.. A jeste neco, to poe bude podle normy 48V? > > > > If it should go into the optical head, is the Xilinx in an extended > > temperature range? From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon May 30 20:12:24 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon May 30 20:12:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz><200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz><20050530105157.GA16570@kestrel> <200505301944.01801.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <005e01c5654b$8466a840$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> nepajiva maska je nutnost, tech par desitek korun navic rozhodne nestoji za ty zkraty a silene pajeni a oboustrany tistak s prokovama taky ... to kilo-dve navic se opravdu vrati pri osazovani a ozivovani, bez masky tak akorat na prototyp, na overeni, ale ne na normalni praci Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > I would recommend making it as two-sided, with silkscreen and > > soldermask. > > > > Anything worse sucks during population according to my point of view :) > > Also in this case? (see attachment) > Of course there will be data for PCB manufacturer to make the board with > solder stop mask and silkscreen, but i think that silkscreen is expensive > luxury for this simple pcb. > > > Picture in attachment is only preview, there will be some changes. > > Jakub Ladman > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon May 30 21:51:56 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon May 30 21:51:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <005e01c5654b$8466a840$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> <200505301944.01801.ladmanj@volny.cz> <005e01c5654b$8466a840$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <200505302251.56957.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Monday 30 of May 2005 21:12, Cipis wrote: > nepajiva maska je nutnost, tech par desitek korun navic rozhodne nestoji za > ty zkraty a silene pajeni > a oboustrany tistak s prokovama taky ... > to kilo-dve navic se opravdu vrati pri osazovani a ozivovani, > bez masky tak akorat na prototyp, na overeni, ale ne na normalni praci Tady to zase nekdo necetl cely!!! Psal jsem ze silkscreen je luxus, o masce nepochybuji. Ale rad bych, aby ten tistak sel udelat i doma (v nouzi). Jakub > > > Cipis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > > > I would recommend making it as two-sided, with silkscreen and > > > soldermask. > > > > > > Anything worse sucks during population according to my point of view :) > > > > Also in this case? (see attachment) > > Of course there will be data for PCB manufacturer to make the board with > > solder stop mask and silkscreen, but i think that silkscreen is expensive > > luxury for this simple pcb. > > > > > > Picture in attachment is only preview, there will be some changes. > > > > Jakub Ladman > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- ---- > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon May 30 21:55:03 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon May 30 21:55:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz><200505301944.01801.ladmanj@volny.cz><005e01c5654b$8466a840$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <200505302251.56957.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <003701c56559$db6d5f40$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> asi ne :-) popisky jsou na houby, staci poradny osazovak :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > On Monday 30 of May 2005 21:12, Cipis wrote: > > nepajiva maska je nutnost, tech par desitek korun navic rozhodne nestoji za > > ty zkraty a silene pajeni > > a oboustrany tistak s prokovama taky ... > > to kilo-dve navic se opravdu vrati pri osazovani a ozivovani, > > bez masky tak akorat na prototyp, na overeni, ale ne na normalni praci > > Tady to zase nekdo necetl cely!!! > Psal jsem ze silkscreen je luxus, o masce nepochybuji. Ale rad bych, aby ten > tistak sel udelat i doma (v nouzi). > Jakub > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > > > > > I would recommend making it as two-sided, with silkscreen and > > > > soldermask. > > > > > > > > Anything worse sucks during population according to my point of view :) > > > > > > Also in this case? (see attachment) > > > Of course there will be data for PCB manufacturer to make the board with > > > solder stop mask and silkscreen, but i think that silkscreen is expensive > > > luxury for this simple pcb. > > > > > > > > > Picture in attachment is only preview, there will be some changes. > > > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >- ---- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From liquid.spin at gmail.com Mon May 30 22:17:32 2005 From: liquid.spin at gmail.com (Vasilis Tsolis) Date: Mon May 30 22:17:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Getting Ronja for testing Message-ID: Hello ! I am a member of AWMN (Athens Wireless Metropolitan Network) , one of the biggest wireless community in europe( we are working mostly with 802.11b) , and we are very interested to use the optics technology to our network. To establish this concept in a long-term base , a initial thought is to test first that suit to our needs. So, we are thinking to buy ready-for-use ronja.and Ronja in parts. As our budget is limited we thought to buy half link ready to use and half in pieces. We talked with K. Obadal but the communication is extremely slow. So my question is where to ask for buying that stuff? Any hint is more than helpful... Thank you in advance, Vasilis Tsolis PS i 've searched the archives without any result for this question, so thats i am asking. From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Tue May 31 07:52:28 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Tue May 31 07:52:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx Message-ID: <200505310852.16129@centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: petr.cipis@tiscali.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 30.05.2005 22:55 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > asi ne :-) > popisky jsou na houby, staci poradny osazovak :-) >=20 noo to jo. uz vidim jak bez popisku nekdo osazuje twistra ... O:-) ....= =2E ale na tady tohle sou popisy fakt jenom luxus :) > Cipis >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx >=20 >=20 > > On Monday 30 of May 2005 21:12, Cipis wrote: > > > nepajiva maska je nutnost, tech par desitek korun navic rozhodne > nestoji > za > > > ty zkraty a silene pajeni > > > a oboustrany tistak s prokovama taky ... > > > to kilo-dve navic se opravdu vrati pri osazovani a ozivovani, > > > bez masky tak akorat na prototyp, na overeni, ale ne na normalni = praci > > > > Tady to zase nekdo necetl cely!!! > > Psal jsem ze silkscreen je luxus, o masce nepochybuji. Ale rad bych= , aby > ten > > tistak sel udelat i doma (v nouzi). > > Jakub > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:44 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > > > > > > > I would recommend making it as two-sided, with silkscreen and > > > > > soldermask. > > > > > > > > > > Anything worse sucks during population according to my point = of > view > :) > > > > > > > > Also in this case? (see attachment) > > > > Of course there will be data for PCB manufacturer to make the b= oard > with > > > > solder stop mask and silkscreen, but i think that silkscreen is > expensive > > > > luxury for this simple pcb. > > > > > > > > > > > > Picture in attachment is only preview, there will be some chang= es. > > > > > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- > - > > >- ---- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue May 31 08:06:04 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue May 31 08:07:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx References: <200505310852.16129@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001901c565af$3581fa40$3701a8c0@pwech01> Osazovak by mel prumerne inteligentnimu jedinci stacit :-) http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michník" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx ______________________________________________________________ > Od: petr.cipis@tiscali.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: 30.05.2005 22:55 > Předmět: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > asi ne :-) > popisky jsou na houby, staci poradny osazovak :-) > noo to jo. uz vidim jak bez popisku nekdo osazuje twistra ... O:-) ..... ale na tady tohle sou popisy fakt jenom luxus :) > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > > > On Monday 30 of May 2005 21:12, Cipis wrote: > > > nepajiva maska je nutnost, tech par desitek korun navic rozhodne > nestoji > za > > > ty zkraty a silene pajeni > > > a oboustrany tistak s prokovama taky ... > > > to kilo-dve navic se opravdu vrati pri osazovani a ozivovani, > > > bez masky tak akorat na prototyp, na overeni, ale ne na normalni praci > > > > Tady to zase nekdo necetl cely!!! > > Psal jsem ze silkscreen je luxus, o masce nepochybuji. Ale rad bych, aby > ten > > tistak sel udelat i doma (v nouzi). > > Jakub > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:44 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > > > > > > > I would recommend making it as two-sided, with silkscreen and > > > > > soldermask. > > > > > > > > > > Anything worse sucks during population according to my point of > view > :) > > > > > > > > Also in this case? (see attachment) > > > > Of course there will be data for PCB manufacturer to make the board > with > > > > solder stop mask and silkscreen, but i think that silkscreen is > expensive > > > > luxury for this simple pcb. > > > > > > > > > > > > Picture in attachment is only preview, there will be some changes. > > > > > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > >- ---- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue May 31 09:44:43 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue May 31 09:49:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Getting Ronja for testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050531084443.GB7512@kestrel> On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:17:32AM +0300, Vasilis Tsolis wrote: > Hello ! > > I am a member of AWMN (Athens Wireless Metropolitan Network) , one of > the biggest wireless community in europe( we are working mostly with > 802.11b) , and we are very interested to > use the optics technology to our network. To establish this concept in a > long-term base , a initial thought is to test first that suit to our needs. > So, we are thinking to buy ready-for-use ronja.and Ronja in parts. As > our budget is limited we thought to buy half link ready to use and half > in pieces. We talked with K. Obadal but the communication is extremely > slow. So my question is where to ask for buying that stuff? Any hint is > more than helpful... I think I have distantly heard about AWMN. About Mr. Obadal I just know he put an offer for complete Ronja components on Ronja Wiki. At the moment people are usually buying by post PCBs and hard to order parts from people who happen to distribute them, like Ondrej Tesar is now offering HPWT-BD00-F4000 LEDs (he personally sent me a paper letter with stickers from the order, so I can confirm he has really F4000, it is written on the stickers). The most sure way is probably to order what is possible by mail, and buy the rest locally. As the design is made from non-specialized parts, it shouldn't be much problem. CL< > Thank you in advance, > Vasilis Tsolis > > > PS i 've searched the archives without any result for this question, > so thats i am asking. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue May 31 09:47:07 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue May 31 09:51:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <429B5DA4.907@seznam.cz> References: <20050530135430.GB18091@kestrel> <266.1101-28604-1238879246-1117464286@seznam.cz> <20050530175950.GA1659@kestrel> <429B5DA4.907@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050531084707.GC7512@kestrel> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 08:38:28PM +0200, Pavel Krejci wrote: > Few months old price list from MES Praha. > They will ship single piece. How much is shipping > I do not know right now. > > PK. > > XC9572XL-10CS48C $3,40 > XC9572XL-10CS48I $4,25 Nice :) CL< > XC9572XL-10PC44C $2,89 > XC9572XL-10PC44I $3,66 > XC9572XL-10TQ100C $3,66 > XC9572XL-10TQ100I $4,59 > XC9572XL-10VQ44C $2,89 > XC9572XL-10VQ44I $3,66 > XC9572XL-10VQ64C $3,40 > XC9572XL-10VQ64I $4,25 > XC9572XL-5CS48C $6,12 > XC9572XL-5PC44C $5,27 > XC9572XL-5TQ100C $6,72 > XC9572XL-5VQ44C $5,27 > XC9572XL-5VQ64C $6,12 > XC9572XL-7CS48C $4,76 > XC9572XL-7CS48I $5,95 > XC9572XL-7PC44C $4,08 > XC9572XL-7PC44I $5,10 > XC9572XL-7TQ100C $5,10 > XC9572XL-7TQ100I $6,46 > XC9572XL-7VQ44C $4,08 > XC9572XL-7VQ44I $5,10 > XC9572XL-7VQ64C $4,76 > XC9572XL-7VQ64I $5,95 > > > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 04:44:46PM +0200, Pavel Krejci wrote: > > > >>Yes, the last letter makes difference > >>C: 0 - 70 degC > >>I: -40 - 85 degC > > > > > >How much more expensive is the I range Xiling, how hard is it to get and > >is minimum takeaway quantity increased for I compared to C? > > > >CL< > > > >>P. > >> > >> > >>>On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 09:44:33AM -0000, Daniel Strnad wrote: > >>> > >>>>Jenze on mluvil o PoE(power over ethernet) a ne o TP trafku.. Ale > >>>>uprimne receno nechapu, k cemu tam to PoE bude - chces to davat primo > >>>>do tubusu? To pak jo.. A jeste neco, to poe bude podle normy 48V? > >>> > >>>If it should go into the optical head, is the Xilinx in an extended > >>>temperature range? > > > > From clock at twibright.com Tue May 31 09:52:04 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue May 31 09:56:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <200505310852.16129@centrum.cz> References: <200505310852.16129@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050531085204.GD7512@kestrel> On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 08:52:28AM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: petr.cipis@tiscali.cz > > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > > CC: > > Datum: 30.05.2005 22:55 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > > > asi ne :-) > > popisky jsou na houby, staci poradny osazovak :-) > > > > noo to jo. uz vidim jak bez popisku nekdo osazuje twistra ... O:-) > ..... ale na tady tohle sou popisy fakt jenom luxus :) I was a week ago populating one Twister with both silkscreen *and* the plan and it was quite luxurious :) I think it should be made as easy as possible for the user, Ronja is User Controlled Technology, so the users have to feel having the thing under their control during population to put their confidence into Ronja technology :) It doesn't cost much and brings a remarkable benefit, especially to novice users. Anyway it wasn't working on the 1st, but only on 4th try - I made three mistakes: a) 2 pins not soldered b) another, 3rd pin not soldered :) c) forgot to configure network card to full duplex :) I put a remark about inspection of soldered joint into final correctness check for Twister after that ;-) CL< > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > > > > > > On Monday 30 of May 2005 21:12, Cipis wrote: > > > > nepajiva maska je nutnost, tech par desitek korun navic rozhodne > > nestoji > > za > > > > ty zkraty a silene pajeni > > > > a oboustrany tistak s prokovama taky ... > > > > to kilo-dve navic se opravdu vrati pri osazovani a ozivovani, > > > > bez masky tak akorat na prototyp, na overeni, ale ne na normalni praci > > > > > > Tady to zase nekdo necetl cely!!! > > > Psal jsem ze silkscreen je luxus, o masce nepochybuji. Ale rad bych, aby > > ten > > > tistak sel udelat i doma (v nouzi). > > > Jakub > > > > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:44 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx > > > > > > > > > > I would recommend making it as two-sided, with silkscreen and > > > > > > soldermask. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything worse sucks during population according to my point of > > view > > :) > > > > > > > > > > Also in this case? (see attachment) > > > > > Of course there will be data for PCB manufacturer to make the board > > with > > > > > solder stop mask and silkscreen, but i think that silkscreen is > > expensive > > > > > luxury for this simple pcb. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Picture in attachment is only preview, there will be some changes. > > > > > > > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > > > >- ---- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue May 31 09:54:09 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue May 31 09:58:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <429B4C4A.19788.6290CB@localhost> References: <200505300943.5092@centrum.cz> <429B4C4A.19788.6290CB@localhost> Message-ID: <20050531085409.GE7512@kestrel> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 05:24:26PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > Jen klid. ronja je v plechovejch krabicich, koaxy ma taky a stejne rusi. Kdo neveri at > si za provozu pichne osciliskop mezi stineni RX a TX koaxu. I am already having this in TODO list to simulate some filters in gnucap and fix the filtering. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue May 31 09:55:01 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue May 31 09:59:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <200505301930.47141.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> <221420222.20050530081011@volny.cz> <200505301930.47141.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050531085501.GF7512@kestrel> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 07:30:46PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Pozor _O_M_Y_L_ !!!!! Nehovorim o TP trafu, ale o trafu spinaneho zdroje, > ktere bude ze 18-60V na vstupu delat 12V pro Rx a TX a 5 pro budice a 3.3V > pro xilinxe a oscilator. > Jakub Ladman What chip are you going to use for the SMPS? CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue May 31 10:10:36 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue May 31 10:15:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister & xilinx In-Reply-To: <200505301944.01801.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200505270938.31445@centrum.cz> <200505300801.16052.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050530105157.GA16570@kestrel> <200505301944.01801.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050531091036.GA8848@kestrel> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 07:44:01PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > I would recommend making it as two-sided, with silkscreen and > > soldermask. > > > > Anything worse sucks during population according to my point of view :) > > Also in this case? (see attachment) Yes. It looks like it lacks a solid groundplane - it's broken by large slots in multiple places. I suggest this to be fixed (I always do it two-sided where this is not a problem to fix). In airwire the box works as a groundplane. CL<