From clock at twibright.com Tue Mar 1 07:34:44 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Mar 1 07:33:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <7216708455.20050301000632@seznam.cz> References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> <7216708455.20050301000632@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050301073444.GB3271@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 12:06:32AM +0100, Lubos.m wrote: > Hi Clock, > didn't you mean 'cute' instead of 'cure' :) Yes sorry. Cl< From abrdeco at uol.com.br Wed Mar 2 00:41:36 2005 From: abrdeco at uol.com.br (Andre Ribeiro) Date: Wed Mar 2 00:41:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Where to buy eletronic/optical parts ? In-Reply-To: <20050120120028.91A5FCC88@storm4.uol.com.br> Message-ID: <20050302004138.5EF5B7E96@scorpion1.uol.com.br> Hi All! I'm having troubles to buy optical parts to Twister/Inferno/Metropolis. Can anyone tell me where can I buy all the parts to mount 4 units ? Thankyou. Andre Ribeiro abrdeco@uol.com.br From abrdeco at uol.com.br Wed Mar 2 01:20:38 2005 From: abrdeco at uol.com.br (Andre Ribeiro) Date: Wed Mar 2 01:20:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Where to buy eletronic/optical parts for twister/inferno/metropolis ? Message-ID: <20050302012040.C79F82174C@scorpion2.uol.com.br> I'm having troubles to find the parts do build ronja. Can anyone help me with that ? Thankyou. Andre Ribeiro, CCNA Mobile: +55(21)8112-9940 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050301/82d3c9f1/attachment.htm From mark.robinson at paradise.net.nz Thu Mar 3 00:53:42 2005 From: mark.robinson at paradise.net.nz (Mark Robinson) Date: Thu Mar 3 00:53:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] [Fwd: [Laser] 104 mile/ 167 km optical comms DX record in Australia.] Message-ID: <42266016.5030904@paradise.net.nz> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Chris L" Subject: [Laser] 104 mile/ 167 km optical comms DX record in Australia. Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:35:16 +0000 Size: 4455 Url: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050303/7e778449/167kmopticalcommsDXrecordinAustralia.eml From berns.buenaobra at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 12:39:12 2005 From: berns.buenaobra at gmail.com (berns buenaobra) Date: Thu Mar 3 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] [Fwd: [Laser] 104 mile/ 167 km optical comms DX record in Australia.] In-Reply-To: <42266016.5030904@paradise.net.nz> References: <42266016.5030904@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5279ff3e05030304392542df0f@mail.gmail.com> Simply amazing! How do you design and build these hardware anyway? Berns Buenaobra Philippines On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:53:42 +1300, Mark Robinson wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Chris L" > To: laser@mailman.qth.net > Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:35:16 +0000 > Subject: [Laser] 104 mile/ 167 km optical comms DX record in Australia. > Dear laser people, > > Just a few lines to let you know that on Saturday 19 February 2005, Mike > VK7MJ and I set an Australian optical comms DX record between Mount Barrow > and Mount Wellington in Tasmania, a distance of 104 miles or 167 km - and we > did it without the uage of laser sources! > > The light sources used were amplitude modulated 630 nM 1 watt Luxeon LEDs, > collimated through 20cm by 25 cm fresnels. Receivers used BPW34 PIN > photodiode into a low noise, FET-input transimpedance preamp. Full details, > photos of equipment, audio grabs of the contact and pics of past equipment > are at: > > http://reast.asn.au/optical.php > > We are principally interested in developing NON-laser systems for long range > use as, going by the strict letter of the law, they require no licensing and > therefore are usable by a much broader section of the community than are > laser-based systems. Some aspects of our optical design are novel, such as > the usage of a secondary plano-convex lens between light source and fresnel > to optically vary the effective size of the source, in order to fill the > fresnel's rather fuzzy prime focus area without increasing beam dispersal > excessively. > > Aiming is via rifle sights, and the optical unit operates by bonding two > co-lined fresnels to a single protective cover-glass sheet. Full duplex > operation is provided. > > We'd welcome any correspondence on the subject...! > > Best wishes to all, > > Chris Long (for Mike VK7MJ, Joe VK7JG and Jason Reilly VK7ZJA). > > _______________________________________________ > Laser mailing list > Laser@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/laser > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From clock at twibright.com Fri Mar 4 20:13:05 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Mar 4 20:12:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: assembly inquiry In-Reply-To: <61061.210.213.242.170.1109780375.squirrel@www.orsen.biz> References: <61061.210.213.242.170.1109780375.squirrel@www.orsen.biz> Message-ID: <20050304201305.GB29652@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 11:19:35AM -0500, paulo@orsen.biz wrote: > Dear Mgr. Karel Kulhavy, > > Im Paulo Reyes from the Philippines, I would like to know if I can get an > assembled RONJA system form you? I dont have the time and technical skill > to do it. But I need it to connect several branches of our small business > together. How much would you charge to assemble it? I am not providing assembled Ronja. The most you can get is probably populated PCBs. See ronja.twibright.com -> Getting Ronja Hardware. Cl< From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Sat Mar 5 14:41:53 2005 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Sat Mar 5 14:42:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Closing the lids, important? Message-ID: <2476.172.31.16.74.1110033713.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hi there, Is it important to close the lids of Rx and Tx? We have some diffulties in doing so when intalling Tx and Rx boxes inside the optical heads, so we left them open! We have a really unreliable link at 300m (I know it's very short). Not really sure if this is a result of leaving the lids open. We use HPWT-BD00-E4000, SFH2030 with 10mm lens. Thanks in advance for your advice. Ton ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From clock at twibright.com Sat Mar 5 15:17:43 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 5 15:16:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Closing the lids, important? In-Reply-To: <2476.172.31.16.74.1110033713.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <2476.172.31.16.74.1110033713.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050305151743.GA736@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 09:41:53PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hi there, > > Is it important to close the lids of Rx and Tx? We have some diffulties in > doing so when intalling Tx and Rx boxes inside the optical heads, so we > left them open! We have a really unreliable link at 300m (I know it's very > short). Not really sure if this is a result of leaving the lids open. We > use HPWT-BD00-E4000, SFH2030 with 10mm lens. Yes it is necessary. Why are you having difficulties closing them? Cl< From caffr at seznam.cz Sat Mar 5 15:21:18 2005 From: caffr at seznam.cz (cafr) Date: Sat Mar 5 15:21:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Closing the lids, important? In-Reply-To: <2476.172.31.16.74.1110033713.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <2476.172.31.16.74.1110033713.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <4229CE6E.8030900@seznam.cz> Phanumas Khumsat wrote: >Hi there, > >Is it important to close the lids of Rx and Tx? We have some diffulties in >doing so when intalling Tx and Rx boxes inside the optical heads, so we >left them open! We have a really unreliable link at 300m (I know it's very >short). Not really sure if this is a result of leaving the lids open. > Probably yes >We >use HPWT-BD00-E4000, SFH2030 with 10mm lens. > >Thanks in advance for your advice. > >Ton > > > > > From clock at twibright.com Sat Mar 5 17:12:26 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 5 17:10:59 2005 Subject: ?[Ronja]?Closing?the?lids,?important? In-Reply-To: <2120.172.31.16.99.1110037531.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <2476.172.31.16.74.1110033713.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <20050305151743.GA736@beton.cybernet.src> <2120.172.31.16.99.1110037531.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050305171226.GB1256@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 10:45:31PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Thanks for your help. > > We will close try to the lids eventually. > > Can you explain why it has a strong effect on link distance? Because it is versy sensitive receiver and when the shield is not closed, it picks up garbage from the air. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Mar 5 19:11:48 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 5 19:10:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja banners Message-ID: <20050305191148.GA3457@beton.cybernet.src> Hello small Ronja banners for inserting into web pages are available together with HTML code: http://ronja.twibright.com/banners.php Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Mar 5 19:13:15 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 5 19:11:44 2005 Subject: ??[Ronja]?Closing?the?lids,?important? In-Reply-To: <2805.172.31.16.99.1110046979.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <2476.172.31.16.74.1110033713.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <20050305151743.GA736@beton.cybernet.src> <2120.172.31.16.99.1110037531.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <20050305171226.GB1256@beton.cybernet.src> <2805.172.31.16.99.1110046979.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050305191315.GB3457@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 01:22:59AM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Thanks, > > Would it be helpful in term of extending a link distance by using SFH2030P > instead of SFH2030? Apparently SFH2030P possesses much larger half angle. No. It would do the opposite. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 6 15:27:24 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 6 15:26:02 2005 Subject: ???[Ronja]?Closing?the?lids,?important ? In-Reply-To: <3445.172.31.16.74.1110122636.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <2476.172.31.16.74.1110033713.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <20050305151743.GA736@beton.cybernet.src> <2120.172.31.16.99.1110037531.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <20050305171226.GB1256@beton.cybernet.src> <2805.172.31.16.99.1110046979.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <20050305191315.GB3457@beton.cybernet.src> <3445.172.31.16.74.1110122636.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050306152724.GA6073@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 10:23:56PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Is that because more noise can get into the receiver more easily? Yes. Cl< From R.Clark.01 at cantab.net Mon Mar 7 13:09:23 2005 From: R.Clark.01 at cantab.net (R. Clark) Date: Mon Mar 7 13:09:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 10BASE-T output voltage Message-ID: In the twister circuit diagram, pins 3 & 6 of the ethernet cable are driven by the DS26LS31. What confuses me is how the DS26LS31 can produce enough voltage to comply with the ethenet spec. 10BASE-T requires a transmit differential signal of 4.4-5.6v, so how can the Twister work if the voltage transmitted is less than this (as with the DS26LS31)? Or am I mis-reading the 10BASE-T spec? Thanks, Ralph From archaopttrx at arcor.de Mon Mar 7 14:06:08 2005 From: archaopttrx at arcor.de (Daniel Berger) Date: Mon Mar 7 14:06:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 10BASE-T output voltage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422C5FD0.6000700@arcor.de> R. Clark schrieb: > In the twister circuit diagram, pins 3 & 6 of the ethernet cable are > driven by the DS26LS31. What confuses me is how the DS26LS31 can produce > enough voltage to comply with the ethenet spec. 10BASE-T requires a > transmit differential signal of 4.4-5.6v, so how can the Twister work if > the voltage transmitted is less than this (as with the DS26LS31)? I suppose this is the reason why RONJA is not featuring full cable length of 100m as it is specified in IEEE 802.3 standard. Full output voltage is only required for full cable length, due to the signal voltage on the receiving side is dropping with cable length increasing. As you can see, RONJA is indeed not IEEE 802.3 compliant in this point. Clock states 1 metre is guaranteed, but some have already reported RONJA working with 30m. It should be longer with shielded cable than with UTP. These bloody expensive CAT7 cables for Gigabit operation should work fine, too. > Or am I mis-reading the 10BASE-T spec? > No, you have to read the RONJA spec on http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/spec.php : "Must be plugged directly into data terminal equipment (DTE, PC or a switch) using the integral 1m cable." > Thanks, > > Ralph > regards, Daniel -- Wem l?ten kann, ist nichts unm?glich! From R.Clark.01 at cantab.net Mon Mar 7 14:38:44 2005 From: R.Clark.01 at cantab.net (R. Clark) Date: Mon Mar 7 14:38:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 10BASE-T output voltage In-Reply-To: <422C5FD0.6000700@arcor.de> References: <422C5FD0.6000700@arcor.de> Message-ID: Ok, that goes with what I was thinking, though I was not expecting there to be such a large voltage drop along a length of CAT-5 cable. Does anyone out there know what the typical voltage drop/m length of CAT-5 cable is? Ralph On Mar 7 2005, Daniel Berger wrote: > R. Clark schrieb: > > In the twister circuit diagram, pins 3 & 6 of the ethernet cable are > > driven by the DS26LS31. What confuses me is how the DS26LS31 can > > produce enough voltage to comply with the ethenet spec. 10BASE-T > > requires a transmit differential signal of 4.4-5.6v, so how can the > > Twister work if the voltage transmitted is less than this (as with the > > DS26LS31)? > > I suppose this is the reason why RONJA is not featuring full cable > length of 100m as it is specified in IEEE 802.3 standard. Full output > voltage is only required for full cable length, due to the signal voltage > on the receiving side is dropping with cable length increasing. As you > can see, RONJA is indeed not IEEE 802.3 compliant in this point. Clock > states 1 metre is guaranteed, but some have already reported RONJA > working with 30m. It should be longer with shielded cable than with UTP. > These bloody expensive CAT7 cables for Gigabit operation should work > fine, too. > > > Or am I mis-reading the 10BASE-T spec? > > > > No, you have to read the RONJA spec on > http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/spec.php : > > "Must be plugged directly into data terminal equipment > (DTE, PC or a switch) using the integral 1m cable." > > > Thanks, > > > > Ralph > > > > regards, Daniel > > From archaopttrx at arcor.de Mon Mar 7 15:04:30 2005 From: archaopttrx at arcor.de (Daniel Berger) Date: Mon Mar 7 15:04:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 10BASE-T output voltage In-Reply-To: References: <422C5FD0.6000700@arcor.de> Message-ID: <422C6D7E.60304@arcor.de> R. Clark schrieb: > Ok, that goes with what I was thinking, though I was not expecting there > to be such a large voltage drop along a length of CAT-5 cable. Remember: This is not quite DC ;-D > Does anyone out there know what the typical voltage drop/m length of > CAT-5 cable is? Not me, but RG58 coaxial has about 5 db/100m attenuation on 10MHz (power, not voltage). Twisted pair will have much more. Anyone can tell me about minimum receiving voltage? There must be a Schmitt-trigger with some threshold in the receiver, right? > Ralph regards, Daniel -- Wem l?ten kann, ist nichts unm?glich! From clock at twibright.com Mon Mar 7 16:59:11 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Mar 7 16:57:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 10BASE-T output voltage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050307165911.GA10301@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 01:09:23PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > In the twister circuit diagram, pins 3 & 6 of the ethernet cable are driven > by the DS26LS31. What confuses me is how the DS26LS31 can produce enough > voltage to comply with the ethenet spec. 10BASE-T requires a transmit > differential signal of 4.4-5.6v, so how can the Twister work if the voltage > transmitted is less than this (as with the DS26LS31)? > > Or am I mis-reading the 10BASE-T spec? Can you find the exact page where the output TX level is specified in IEEE802.3? Sorry I don't have time to shuffle through the yellow-pages specification. Cl< From R.Clark.01 at cantab.net Mon Mar 7 17:41:41 2005 From: R.Clark.01 at cantab.net (R. Clark) Date: Mon Mar 7 17:41:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 10BASE-T output voltage In-Reply-To: <20050307165911.GA10301@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050307165911.GA10301@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Page 340 of the whole 1515 page document (IEEE 802.3), or section "14.3.1.2.1 Differential output voltage". I have measured a 10BASE-T signal to check, and I get 5.6V pk-pk when connecting the oscilloscope ground probe to one Tx line, and the other scope probe to the other Tx line. On Mar 7 2005, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 01:09:23PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > > In the twister circuit diagram, pins 3 & 6 of the ethernet cable are > > driven by the DS26LS31. What confuses me is how the DS26LS31 can > > produce enough voltage to comply with the ethenet spec. 10BASE-T > > requires a transmit differential signal of 4.4-5.6v, so how can the > > Twister work if the voltage transmitted is less than this (as with the > > DS26LS31)? > > > > Or am I mis-reading the 10BASE-T spec? > > Can you find the exact page where the output TX level is specified in > IEEE802.3? Sorry I don't have time to shuffle through the yellow-pages > specification. > > Cl< > From clock at twibright.com Mon Mar 7 19:46:36 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Mar 7 19:45:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 10BASE-T output voltage In-Reply-To: References: <20050307165911.GA10301@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050307194636.GA10910@beton.cybernet.src> > > On Mar 7 2005, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 01:09:23PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > >> In the twister circuit diagram, pins 3 & 6 of the ethernet cable are > >> driven by the DS26LS31. What confuses me is how the DS26LS31 can > >> produce enough voltage to comply with the ethenet spec. 10BASE-T > >> requires a transmit differential signal of 4.4-5.6v, so how can the Don't know what "differential signal of 4.4-5.6V" mean. I have checked the spec and Twister schematic and everything looks to be perfectly OK. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Mar 7 19:45:59 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Mar 7 19:46:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 10BASE-T output voltage In-Reply-To: References: <20050307165911.GA10301@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <422CBD87.11666.1F5984@localhost> dtto 14.3.1.2.1 Differential output voltage Some of the text and .gures of this subclause describe the differential voltage in terms of magnitudes. These requirements apply to negative as well as positive pulses. The peak differential voltage on the TD circuit when terminated with a 100 . resistive load shall be between 2.2 V and 2.8 V for all data sequences. When the DO circuit is driven by an all-ones Manchester-encoded signal, any harmonic measured on the TD circuit shall be at least 27 dB below the fundamental. end of citation You have probably measured without terminated both ends of short UTP cable. In such case 5.6Vpp is OK. If you terminate one end of UTP cable with ehternet card and on other end you solder 100 Ohm resistor across TX pair you should measure true value - 2.8Vpp. Regards Petr > Page 340 of the whole 1515 page document (IEEE 802.3), or section > "14.3.1.2.1 Differential output voltage". > > I have measured a 10BASE-T signal to check, and I get 5.6V pk-pk when > connecting the oscilloscope ground probe to one Tx line, and the other > scope probe to the other Tx line. > > > > On Mar 7 2005, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 01:09:23PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > > > In the twister circuit diagram, pins 3 & 6 of the ethernet cable are > > > driven by the DS26LS31. What confuses me is how the DS26LS31 can > > > produce enough voltage to comply with the ethenet spec. 10BASE-T > > > requires a transmit differential signal of 4.4-5.6v, so how can the > > > Twister work if the voltage transmitted is less than this (as with the > > > DS26LS31)? > > > > > > Or am I mis-reading the 10BASE-T spec? > > > > Can you find the exact page where the output TX level is specified in > > IEEE802.3? Sorry I don't have time to shuffle through the yellow-pages > > specification. > > > > Cl< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050307/586a8b22/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Mon Mar 7 21:02:31 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Mar 7 21:01:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Fotky Spatne - popis Drzaku In-Reply-To: <422CB76A.4060404@katka.biz> References: <20050305191148.GA3457@beton.cybernet.src> <422A0EEB.7060300@katka.biz> <20050305204533.GB3962@beton.cybernet.src> <422A37ED.6040502@katka.biz> <20050306195714.GA7154@beton.cybernet.src> <422C11DB.5060003@katka.biz> <20050307165434.GA10247@beton.cybernet.src> <422CB76A.4060404@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050307210231.GA11341@beton.cybernet.src> > zvysuje. Taktez pravdepodobnost chyb pri vyrobe se zvysuje. > - kdyz se spoj presune, drzak nemusi pasovat, ale to bych nechal na tom > kdo si to bude stavet. > > (tim samozrejme nemyslim, ze to musi byt ty voxori drzaky, spis jen > uvazuju, jestli bys tam nechtel "specifictejsi" drzaky dat taky) > > Rozhodne oba typy nemaji problemy s kyvanim. Az srovnas ty fotky, dam to > na wiky. To ze to nema problemy s kyvanim jeste nestaci k tomu, aby to byl dobry drzak. Jestli chcete vyvijet specializovany drzak, nic proti tomu nemam, ale bylo by potreba, aby byly odstraneny vsechny moje pochybnosti. Macros uz nejaky drzak delal a kdyz jsem ho pozadal o nejakou zmenu tak s tim prestal. > > co je na tom ladeni spatneho ? nespolehliveho ? ... nejak mi to asi uniklo. jbohacovi to rok bezelo a pak to najednou creeplo. Tak to dal zpatky a utahl a za tyden to zase creeplo. Cl< From R.Clark.01 at cantab.net Mon Mar 7 21:15:57 2005 From: R.Clark.01 at cantab.net (R. Clark) Date: Mon Mar 7 21:16:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 10BASE-T output voltage In-Reply-To: <422CBD87.11666.1F5984@localhost> References: <20050307165911.GA10301@beton.cybernet.src> <422CBD87.11666.1F5984@localhost> Message-ID: Ok, I'll go with that. I assume the network card/hub combination I am using uses transformers on board the netword card/hub to terminate the ethernet signal, as opposed to a chip (which would necessarily have a 100 ohm input impedance in order to avoid reflections). Thanks, Ralph On Mar 7 2005, Petr Seliger wrote: > dtto > > 14.3.1.2.1 Differential output voltage Some of the text and .gures of > this subclause describe the differential voltage in terms of magnitudes. > These requirements apply to negative as well as positive pulses. The peak > differential voltage on the TD circuit when terminated with a 100 . > resistive load shall be between 2.2 V and 2.8 V for all data sequences. > When the DO circuit is driven by an all-ones Manchester-encoded signal, > any harmonic measured on the TD circuit shall be at least 27 dB below the > fundamental. > > end of citation > > You have probably measured without terminated both ends of short > UTP cable. In such case 5.6Vpp is OK. If you terminate one end of > UTP cable with ehternet card and on other end you solder 100 Ohm > resistor across TX pair you should measure true value - 2.8Vpp. > > Regards Petr > > > Page 340 of the whole 1515 page document (IEEE 802.3), or section > > "14.3.1.2.1 Differential output voltage". > > > > I have measured a 10BASE-T signal to check, and I get 5.6V pk-pk when > > connecting the oscilloscope ground probe to one Tx line, and the other > > scope probe to the other Tx line. > > > > > > > > On Mar 7 2005, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 01:09:23PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > > > > In the twister circuit diagram, pins 3 & 6 of the ethernet cable > > > > are driven by the DS26LS31. What confuses me is how the DS26LS31 > > > > can produce enough voltage to comply with the ethenet spec. > > > > 10BASE-T requires a transmit differential signal of 4.4-5.6v, so > > > > how can the Twister work if the voltage transmitted is less than > > > > this (as with the DS26LS31)? > > > > > > > > Or am I mis-reading the 10BASE-T spec? > > > > > > Can you find the exact page where the output TX level is specified in > > > IEEE802.3? Sorry I don't have time to shuffle through the yellow-pages > > > specification. > > > > > > Cl< > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Mar 7 21:28:19 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Mar 7 21:28:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Fotky Spatne - popis Drzaku In-Reply-To: <20050307210231.GA11341@beton.cybernet.src> References: <422CB76A.4060404@katka.biz> Message-ID: <422CD583.29786.7D0E0E@localhost> Mohlo by panstvo priblizit oc tu bezi? > > zvysuje. Taktez pravdepodobnost chyb pri vyrobe se zvysuje. > > - kdyz se spoj presune, drzak nemusi pasovat, ale to bych nechal na tom > > kdo si to bude stavet. > > > > (tim samozrejme nemyslim, ze to musi byt ty voxori drzaky, spis jen > > uvazuju, jestli bys tam nechtel "specifictejsi" drzaky dat taky) > > > > Rozhodne oba typy nemaji problemy s kyvanim. Az srovnas ty fotky, dam to > > na wiky. > > To ze to nema problemy s kyvanim jeste nestaci k tomu, aby to byl dobry > drzak. Jestli chcete vyvijet specializovany drzak, nic proti tomu nemam, > ale bylo by potreba, aby byly odstraneny vsechny moje pochybnosti. > > Macros uz nejaky drzak delal a kdyz jsem ho pozadal o nejakou zmenu tak > s tim prestal. > > > > > co je na tom ladeni spatneho ? nespolehliveho ? ... nejak mi to asi uniklo. > Kde, co, proc creeplo? > jbohacovi to rok bezelo a pak to najednou creeplo. Tak to dal zpatky a utahl a > za tyden to zase creeplo. > > Cl< From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Mar 8 18:20:18 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Mar 9 14:13:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Fotky Spatne - popis Drzaku In-Reply-To: <422CD583.29786.7D0E0E@localhost> References: <422CB76A.4060404@katka.biz> <422CD583.29786.7D0E0E@localhost> Message-ID: <20050308182018.GA5868@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > > > na wiky. > > > > To ze to nema problemy s kyvanim jeste nestaci k tomu, aby to byl dobry > > drzak. Jestli chcete vyvijet specializovany drzak, nic proti tomu nemam, > > ale bylo by potreba, aby byly odstraneny vsechny moje pochybnosti. > > > > Macros uz nejaky drzak delal a kdyz jsem ho pozadal o nejakou zmenu tak > > s tim prestal. > > > > > > > > co je na tom ladeni spatneho ? nespolehliveho ? ... nejak mi to asi uniklo. > > > Kde, co, proc creeplo? Kovaku 12 tusim, Ronja 10M Metropolis se zmenami, protoze drzak byl spatne navrzen. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Mar 8 17:12:27 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Mar 9 14:20:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 10BASE-T output voltage In-Reply-To: References: <20050307165911.GA10301@beton.cybernet.src> <20050307194605.GA10848@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050308171227.GB15568@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 09:27:47PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > On Mar 7 2005, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >> > >> On Mar 7 2005, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >> >On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 01:09:23PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > >> >> In the twister circuit diagram, pins 3 & 6 of the ethernet cable are > >> >> driven by the DS26LS31. What confuses me is how the DS26LS31 can > >> >> produce enough voltage to comply with the ethenet spec. 10BASE-T > >> >> requires a transmit differential signal of 4.4-5.6v, so how can the > > > >Don't know what "differential signal of 4.4-5.6V" mean. I have checked the > >spec and Twister schematic and everything looks to be perfectly OK. > > > >Cl< > > > > > When I spoke of a differential signal of 4.4-5.6v, I was interpreting both > what the IEEE spec says and what I measured myself using an oscilloscope on > a live 10BASE-T signal. > > The IEEE spec says "The peak differential voltage on the TD circuit when > terminated with a 100ohm resistive load shall be between 2.2 V and 2.8 V" > > After reading this I was confused exactly what the spec meant when it said > "differential voltage" - did this mean the voltage across 2 wires or just Differential voltage on two wires means you stick one probe on one wire, the other probe on the other and look at the display. Peak means that you remember the biggest count on the display. > the peak-peak rating of a signal on either of the wires? > > Then I connected my PC to a hub so that it was on the local network, and > measured the voltage across a pair of Tx wires while ftp-ing some data. The > voltage was 5.6v pk-pk (2.8v - - 2.8v). So then I thought that as the input > impedance of the network card/hub must be 100ohms for impedance matching, > that meant the transmit voltage had to be 2x5.6v=11.2v in order for the > potential divider of input/output impedances to allow me to measure the > 5.6v pk-pk reading!!!! At which point I worried. And if you leave Twister unconnected, it will make also 10Vpp differential voltage on the two TX wires. > While we're on the subject, am I correct in thinking that the voltage > levels used in 100BASE-TX when terminated with a 100ohm load are -1, 0 and > +1v? (I've had major trouble getting hold of ANSI/INCITS 263-1995). Yes you are right. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Mar 8 17:08:54 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Mar 9 14:20:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Fotky Spatne - popis Drzaku In-Reply-To: <422CC5EE.2070901@katka.biz> References: <20050305191148.GA3457@beton.cybernet.src> <422A0EEB.7060300@katka.biz> <20050305204533.GB3962@beton.cybernet.src> <422A37ED.6040502@katka.biz> <20050306195714.GA7154@beton.cybernet.src> <422C11DB.5060003@katka.biz> <20050307165434.GA10247@beton.cybernet.src> <422CB76A.4060404@katka.biz> <20050307210231.GA11341@beton.cybernet.src> <422CC5EE.2070901@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050308170854.GA15568@beton.cybernet.src> > to kyvani sem bylo mysleno jako priklad toho k cemu to nema sklony > oproti slozitejsim konstrukcim zalozenym na delsich u profilech a > ruznych klubech. Viz drzak z mototechny. Yes the paralle console is buggy. I have written there that it should not be used on wind-exposed places and am planning to fix the bug. > a v cem byla chyba ? prohyb materialu [pretazene matice] ? povolovaly se > matky ? My explanation is that the central bolt was propped against the iron mass in one point (so to allow swiveling for adjustment) and this place was overloaded and the iron creeped there. You cannot make it lie on something more than a single point if you want it to swing in 2 directions, therefore this problem can't be removed. As the default rubber construction doesn't posess this problem I don't find the point in usage of this 4-point system. In my opinion it just makes the whole Ronja unreliable. The rubber costs next to nothing so the only explanation I see here why people are using this in my eyes stupid system is that people need to make it their own way. Cl< From hollari1 at gmx.at Tue Mar 8 09:30:24 2005 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Wed Mar 9 14:29:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 10BASE-T output voltage References: <20050307210154.4755gmx1@mx016.gmx.net> Message-ID: <23229.1110274224@www54.gmx.net> Hi ! As i remember the schematic of twister, BOTH sides of TX (TX+ AND TX-) are driven by this 27LS..something... that means that if e.g. TX+ has 5Volt, TX- has 0Volt and vice a versa. -> the differential output signal is +5V or -5V. -> the Peak-To-Peak voltage is 10V And after the 100 Ohm output resistance the output should be approx 5Vpp. Thats exactly what the specification says. Or did i misunderstand something ?!? Regards, Sigi -- DSL Komplett von GMX +++ Supergünstig und stressfrei einsteigen! AKTION "Kein Einrichtungspreis" nutzen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From kucik at net22.cz Sat Mar 5 17:44:27 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Thu Mar 10 17:43:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> Testoval jsem sveho prvniho postaveneho twistera v zapojeni PC<->AUI-forte<->RX+TX<->RX+TX<->twister. Prekvapilo me ze pres nej neprojde ping vetsi nez 1500B (alespon myslim ze je to udavano v bytech a ne v bitech). Pod 1500 projde vse s 0% packeloss, nad 1500 neprojde nic podle svetylek na swichi se mi zda ze ping projde z PC do switche ale zpet ne.Pri prenosu dat bezi vse v pohode. Tusi nekdo v cem by mohl byt problem? Nebo je to normalni? Existuje seznam testpointu na twistera(Nedokazal jsem je najit)? Taky se mi stavalo ze switch po chvili necinosti prestal detekovat pripojeny twister, pomohlo az odpojit twistera na delsi dobu od napajeni. Zkousel jsem nechat pingat cely den pres twistera a link vydrzel. Muze mi nekdo poradit? Diky Kucik From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Thu Mar 10 18:41:53 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Mar 10 18:41:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050310184153.GB3056@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Testoval jsem sveho prvniho postaveneho twistera v zapojeni > PC<->AUI-forte<->RX+TX<->RX+TX<->twister. Prekvapilo me ze pres nej > neprojde ping vetsi nez 1500B (alespon myslim ze je to udavano v bytech a > ne v bitech). Pod 1500 projde vse s 0% packeloss, nad 1500 neprojde nic > podle svetylek na swichi se mi zda ze ping projde z PC do switche ale zpet > ne.Pri prenosu dat bezi vse v pohode. Tusi nekdo v cem by mohl byt problem? In the fragmentation. Test bidirectional packetloss by running two instances of ping -c at the same time. > Nebo je to normalni? Existuje seznam testpointu na twistera(Nedokazal jsem > je najit)? There are no user-serviceable testpoints in Twister. > Taky se mi stavalo ze switch po chvili necinosti prestal detekovat > pripojeny twister, pomohlo az odpojit twistera na delsi dobu od napajeni. > Zkousel jsem nechat pingat cely den pres twistera a link vydrzel. > Muze mi nekdo poradit? Check switch for forced full duplex setting. Cl< From kucik at net22.cz Sun Mar 6 08:02:36 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Fri Mar 11 14:35:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050310184153.GB3056@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> Can you send czech replyes to czech messages? My English is very bad. At 19:41 10.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > Testoval jsem sveho prvniho postaveneho twistera v zapojeni > > PC<->AUI-forte<->RX+TX<->RX+TX<->twister. Prekvapilo me ze pres > nej > > neprojde ping vetsi nez 1500B (alespon myslim ze je to udavano v bytech a > > ne v bitech). Pod 1500 projde vse s 0% packeloss, nad 1500 neprojde nic > > podle svetylek na swichi se mi zda ze ping projde z PC do switche ale zpet > > ne.Pri prenosu dat bezi vse v pohode. Tusi nekdo v cem by mohl byt > problem? > >In the fragmentation. Test bidirectional packetloss by running two >instances of ping -c at the same time. I don't understant to this. Can you write it in czech? > > Nebo je to normalni? Existuje seznam testpointu na twistera(Nedokazal jsem > > je najit)? > >There are no user-serviceable testpoints in Twister. > > > Taky se mi stavalo ze switch po chvili necinosti prestal detekovat > > pripojeny twister, pomohlo az odpojit twistera na delsi dobu od napajeni. > > Zkousel jsem nechat pingat cely den pres twistera a link vydrzel. > > Muze mi nekdo poradit? > >Check switch for forced full duplex setting. > >Cl< The switch is not managable, and I thing it isn't good idea to force it FD, because NIC in the PC where is AUI-forte connected can't work FD on AUI. Kucik >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From RooT.X at seznam.cz Fri Mar 11 16:27:47 2005 From: RooT.X at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Martin=20Havlicek?=) Date: Fri Mar 11 16:27:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] twister problem Message-ID: <354.170-23767-717015149-1110558467@seznam.cz> Dobry podvecer,mam problem s twistrem na PCB.Twistry jsem udelal podle navodu a pripojil je k jiz odzkousenym RX,TX.Pokud pustim ping na jednom ze stroju tak vsechny LED blikaji zda se spravne,nicmene neprojde ani paket.Nevite v cem by mohl byt problem ?Jumpery jsou doufam nastaveny spravne,alespon podle toho co se da vycist z momentalne neuplneho "jumperovaciho" schematu na strankach projektu.Dal pokud bude pripojen twister primo ke stroji ma se pouzit krizeny,nebo ne krizeny kabel (Z fotky konektoru to nejak nejsem schopen rozpoznat.)? Dekuji za odpovedi Martin Havlicek ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 1000 MB From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat Mar 12 16:17:34 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 12 16:17:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] twister problem In-Reply-To: <354.170-23767-717015149-1110558467@seznam.cz> References: <354.170-23767-717015149-1110558467@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050312161734.GA24806@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Dobry podvecer,mam problem s twistrem na PCB.Twistry jsem udelal podle > navodu a pripojil je k jiz odzkousenym RX,TX.Pokud pustim ping na > jednom ze stroju tak vsechny LED blikaji zda se spravne,nicmene > neprojde ani paket.Nevite v cem by mohl byt problem ?Jumpery jsou > doufam nastaveny spravne,alespon podle toho co se da vycist z > momentalne neuplneho "jumperovaciho" schematu na strankach > projektu.Dal pokud bude pripojen twister primo ke stroji ma se pouzit > krizeny,nebo ne krizeny kabel (Z fotky konektoru to nejak nejsem > schopen rozpoznat.)? Is the RX and TX according to Ronja guide or is it something unofficial (e. g. Skontorp's PCBs)? Cl< > > Dekuji za odpovedi Martin Havlicek > > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 1000 MB > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat Mar 12 16:18:47 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 12 16:18:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] twister problem In-Reply-To: <354.170-23767-717015149-1110558467@seznam.cz> References: <354.170-23767-717015149-1110558467@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050312161847.GB24806@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Dobry podvecer,mam problem s twistrem na PCB.Twistry jsem udelal podle > navodu a pripojil je k jiz odzkousenym RX,TX.Pokud pustim ping na > jednom ze stroju tak vsechny LED blikaji zda se spravne,nicmene > neprojde ani paket.Nevite v cem by mohl byt problem ?Jumpery jsou > doufam nastaveny spravne,alespon podle toho co se da vycist z > momentalne neuplneho "jumperovaciho" schematu na strankach > projektu.Dal pokud bude pripojen twister primo ke stroji ma se pouzit > krizeny,nebo ne krizeny kabel (Z fotky konektoru to nejak nejsem > schopen rozpoznat.)? You do not use any aqdditional cable to connect Twister to a PC. Twister has already a builtin 1m cable that you just plug into the socket. Or do you mean that the wiring instruction for the integral cable are not clear to you? Cl< From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat Mar 12 16:20:14 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 12 16:20:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050312162014.GC24806@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Can you send czech replyes to czech messages? My English is very bad. > > At 19:41 10.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >> Testoval jsem sveho prvniho postaveneho twistera v zapojeni > >> PC<->AUI-forte<->RX+TX<->RX+TX<->twister. Prekvapilo me ze pres > >nej > >> neprojde ping vetsi nez 1500B (alespon myslim ze je to udavano v bytech a > >> ne v bitech). Pod 1500 projde vse s 0% packeloss, nad 1500 neprojde nic > >> podle svetylek na swichi se mi zda ze ping projde z PC do switche ale > >zpet > >> ne.Pri prenosu dat bezi vse v pohode. Tusi nekdo v cem by mohl byt > >problem? > > > >In the fragmentation. Test bidirectional packetloss by running two > >instances of ping -c at the same time. > > I don't understant to this. Can you write it in czech? Ve fragmentaci. Ozkousej packetloss pri obousmerne zatezi spustenim dvou instanci ping -c soucasne. Cl< From kucik at net22.cz Sat Mar 12 20:37:09 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Sat Mar 12 20:37:52 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050312162014.GC24806@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> At 17:20 12.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > Can you send czech replyes to czech messages? My English is very bad. > > > > At 19:41 10.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > >> Testoval jsem sveho prvniho postaveneho twistera v zapojeni > > >> PC<->AUI-forte<->RX+TX<->RX+TX<->twister. Prekvapilo me ze pres > > >nej > > >> neprojde ping vetsi nez 1500B (alespon myslim ze je to udavano v > bytech a > > >> ne v bitech). Pod 1500 projde vse s 0% packeloss, nad 1500 neprojde nic > > >> podle svetylek na swichi se mi zda ze ping projde z PC do switche ale > > >zpet > > >> ne.Pri prenosu dat bezi vse v pohode. Tusi nekdo v cem by mohl byt > > >problem? > > > > > >In the fragmentation. Test bidirectional packetloss by running two > > >instances of ping -c at the same time. > > > > I don't understant to this. Can you write it in czech? > >Ve fragmentaci. Ozkousej packetloss pri obousmerne zatezi spustenim dvou >instanci ping -c soucasne. > >Cl< Udelal jsem dalsi test. Pri ping -s 1500 ze strany kde je zapojene AUI Forte blika TX LED na AUI interface a LEDky na switchi. Pri ping -s 1500 ze strany kde je PC - swicth - twister blikaji LED na switchi a RX i TX LED na obou interfacech. Takze pri prvnim pokusu nastava chyba pravdepobobne mezi vyslanim packetu z twistera a odpovedi kterou twister precte. Pri druhem pokusu je pak proble asi mezi vyslanim odpovedi z twister a PC. Z toho mi vypliva ze twister spatne prevadi signal do UTP. Chyba muze byt samozrejme i ve switchi ale zda se mi to nepravdepodobne. Testoval jsem ping -s 1000 az -s 1500 s beznym intervalem pingu i s -i 0.001. Nepochopil jsem proc pouzivat -c co jsi psal a navic by se musel napsat i pocet ke counteru. Priste se pokusim vyhodit switch, ale znamena to ze budu muset odpojit vsechny na LAN (druhy testovaci PC je router) takze to musim lepe naplanovat. Zatim diky za rady Kucik From clock at twibright.com Sat Mar 12 21:19:45 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 12 21:18:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: blokove schema In-Reply-To: <001401c524e8$6e08a4c0$13e5a8c0@net> References: <001401c524e8$6e08a4c0$13e5a8c0@net> Message-ID: <20050312211945.GD32599@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 09:41:22PM +0100, KPR wrote: > Zdravim, > uz nejakou dobu sleduji projekt ronja a pokousim se k nemu dodelat vzdalenou > spravu a diagnostiku. Potreboval bych pochopit na jakem principu pracuje > ronja twister, resp. nejake blokove schema nebo kus textu, abych pochopil co > se tam v obvodech deje. je to mozne sehnat nekde na strankach? nebo vyresit > formou mailu? Blokove schema ani kus textu nemam. Ale kdyz to budete psat / kreslit v necem svobodnem co se da zaradit do Ronji (Sodipodi?) tak Vam protihodnotou za poslany zdrojak z predchoziho kroku odpovim dotazy ktere jsou potreba k nakresleni schematu. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Mar 12 21:21:17 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 12 21:19:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050312212117.GA32728@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 09:37:09PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > At 17:20 12.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> Can you send czech replyes to czech messages? My English is very bad. > >> > >> At 19:41 10.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> > >> >> Testoval jsem sveho prvniho postaveneho twistera v zapojeni > >> >> PC<->AUI-forte<->RX+TX<->RX+TX<->twister. Prekvapilo me ze > >pres > >> >nej > >> >> neprojde ping vetsi nez 1500B (alespon myslim ze je to udavano v > >bytech a > >> >> ne v bitech). Pod 1500 projde vse s 0% packeloss, nad 1500 neprojde > >nic > >> >> podle svetylek na swichi se mi zda ze ping projde z PC do switche ale > >> >zpet > >> >> ne.Pri prenosu dat bezi vse v pohode. Tusi nekdo v cem by mohl byt > >> >problem? > >> > > >> >In the fragmentation. Test bidirectional packetloss by running two > >> >instances of ping -c at the same time. > >> > >> I don't understant to this. Can you write it in czech? > > > >Ve fragmentaci. Ozkousej packetloss pri obousmerne zatezi spustenim dvou > >instanci ping -c soucasne. > > > >Cl< > > Udelal jsem dalsi test. Pri ping -s 1500 ze strany kde je zapojene AUI Co to je za verzi pingu a ping -s 1500 je cela commandline nebo jeste jsou tam nejake dalsi parametry krome jmena/adresy ciloveho stroje? CL< > Forte blika TX LED na AUI interface a LEDky na switchi. Pri ping -s 1500 ze > strany kde je PC - swicth - twister blikaji LED na switchi a RX i TX LED na > obou interfacech. Takze pri prvnim pokusu nastava chyba pravdepobobne mezi > vyslanim packetu z twistera a odpovedi kterou twister precte. Pri druhem > pokusu je pak proble asi mezi vyslanim odpovedi z twister a PC. Z toho mi > vypliva ze twister spatne prevadi signal do UTP. Chyba muze byt samozrejme > i ve switchi ale zda se mi to nepravdepodobne. Testoval jsem ping -s 1000 > az -s 1500 s beznym intervalem pingu i s -i 0.001. Nepochopil jsem proc > pouzivat -c co jsi psal a navic by se musel napsat i pocet ke counteru. > Priste se pokusim vyhodit switch, ale znamena to ze budu muset odpojit > vsechny na LAN (druhy testovaci PC je router) takze to musim lepe > naplanovat. > > Zatim diky za rady > Kucik > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Mar 12 22:06:18 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 12 22:04:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050312220618.GA2330@beton.cybernet.src> > The switch is not managable, and I thing it isn't good idea to force it FD, > because NIC in the PC where is AUI-forte connected can't work FD on AUI. Then ensure the NIC is set in HD. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Mar 13 09:11:43 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Mar 13 09:14:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: blokove schema In-Reply-To: <20050312211945.GD32599@beton.cybernet.src> References: <001401c524e8$6e08a4c0$13e5a8c0@net> <20050312211945.GD32599@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200503131011.44125.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Saturday 12 March 2005 22:19, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 09:41:22PM +0100, KPR wrote: > > Zdravim, > > uz nejakou dobu sleduji projekt ronja a pokousim se k nemu dodelat > > vzdalenou spravu a diagnostiku. Potreboval bych pochopit na jakem > > principu pracuje ronja twister, resp. nejake blokove schema nebo kus > > textu, abych pochopil co se tam v obvodech deje. je to mozne sehnat nekde > > na strankach? nebo vyresit formou mailu? > > Blokove schema ani kus textu nemam. Ale kdyz to budete psat / kreslit v > necem svobodnem co se da zaradit do Ronji (Sodipodi?) tak Vam protihodnotou > za poslany zdrojak z predchoziho kroku odpovim dotazy ktere jsou potreba k > nakresleni schematu. To jako to ma nakreslit, poslat a pak k tomu dostane tvuj popis? To mi prijde znacne ulitly. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Sun Mar 13 10:26:54 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Sun Mar 13 10:27:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050312212117.GA32728@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> At 21:21 12.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: >On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 09:37:09PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > > At 17:20 12.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >> Can you send czech replyes to czech messages? My English is very bad. > > >> > > >> At 19:41 10.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >> > > >> >> Testoval jsem sveho prvniho postaveneho twistera v zapojeni > > >> >> PC<->AUI-forte<->RX+TX<->RX+TX<->twister. Prekvapilo me ze > > >pres > > >> >nej > > >> >> neprojde ping vetsi nez 1500B (alespon myslim ze je to udavano v > > >bytech a > > >> >> ne v bitech). Pod 1500 projde vse s 0% packeloss, nad 1500 neprojde > > >nic > > >> >> podle svetylek na swichi se mi zda ze ping projde z PC do switche ale > > >> >zpet > > >> >> ne.Pri prenosu dat bezi vse v pohode. Tusi nekdo v cem by mohl byt > > >> >problem? > > >> > > > >> >In the fragmentation. Test bidirectional packetloss by running two > > >> >instances of ping -c at the same time. > > >> > > >> I don't understant to this. Can you write it in czech? > > > > > >Ve fragmentaci. Ozkousej packetloss pri obousmerne zatezi spustenim dvou > > >instanci ping -c soucasne. > > > > > >Cl< > > > > Udelal jsem dalsi test. Pri ping -s 1500 ze strany kde je zapojene AUI > >Co to je za verzi pingu a ping -s 1500 je cela commandline nebo jeste >jsou tam nejake dalsi parametry krome jmena/adresy ciloveho stroje? Ping je z baliku iputils-020927 a na druhym stroji iputils-021109. Cely prikaz je ping 10.92.3.1 -s 1500 nebo ping 10.92.3.1 -s 1500 -i 0.001 >CL< > > Forte blika TX LED na AUI interface a LEDky na switchi. Pri ping -s > 1500 ze > > strany kde je PC - swicth - twister blikaji LED na switchi a RX i TX > LED na > > obou interfacech. Takze pri prvnim pokusu nastava chyba pravdepobobne mezi > > vyslanim packetu z twistera a odpovedi kterou twister precte. Pri druhem > > pokusu je pak proble asi mezi vyslanim odpovedi z twister a PC. Z toho mi > > vypliva ze twister spatne prevadi signal do UTP. Chyba muze byt samozrejme > > i ve switchi ale zda se mi to nepravdepodobne. Testoval jsem ping -s 1000 > > az -s 1500 s beznym intervalem pingu i s -i 0.001. Nepochopil jsem proc > > pouzivat -c co jsi psal a navic by se musel napsat i pocet ke counteru. > > Priste se pokusim vyhodit switch, ale znamena to ze budu muset odpojit > > vsechny na LAN (druhy testovaci PC je router) takze to musim lepe > > naplanovat. > > > > Zatim diky za rady > > Kucik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sun Mar 13 15:36:07 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Mar 13 15:36:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] twister problem In-Reply-To: <354.170-23767-717015149-1110558467@seznam.cz> References: <354.170-23767-717015149-1110558467@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42345DE7.6090308@katka.biz> Martin Havlicek wrote: >Dobry podvecer,mam problem s twistrem na PCB.Twistry jsem udelal podle navodu a pripojil je k jiz odzkousenym RX,TX.Pokud pustim ping na jednom ze stroju tak vsechny LED blikaji zda se spravne,nicmene neprojde ani paket.Nevite v cem by mohl byt problem ?Jumpery jsou doufam nastaveny spravne,alespon podle toho co se da vycist z momentalne neuplneho "jumperovaciho" schematu na strankach projektu.Dal pokud bude pripojen twister primo ke stroji ma se pouzit krizeny,nebo ne krizeny kabel (Z fotky konektoru to nejak nejsem schopen rozpoznat.)? > >Dekuji za odpovedi Martin Havlicek > >____________________________________________________________ >http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 1000 MB > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Pouzity utp kabel (resp. zapojeni konektoru) je definovany v navodu (http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php), kde je i odkaz na misto s popisem navodu na ono zapojeni - podle fotky bych to nestavel :-)). V praxi je celkem jedno jestli je krizeny nebo ne, protoze twister ma prepinace, ktere tyto dve zapojeni zamenuji + maji loopback (viz navod a schema). Osobne na http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/jumpers.png nic neuplneho nevidim... Pokud se pletu, autor projektu jiste konkretni chybu opravi, pokud mu ji nekdo nahlasi. Pekny den p0l0us From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sun Mar 13 15:57:28 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (Petr =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Dvo=F8=E1k?=) Date: Sun Mar 13 15:57:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx SMD problem Message-ID: Dobry den. Predem: vim ze SMD verze nejsou podporovany, ale urcite se najdou lide, kteri je pouzivaji a dokazi pomoct. Mam problem s Rx, prijimaci dioda je SFH203, modul reaguje zmenou RSSI na svit dalkoveho ovladace (z 0V na 2,5V). Po zapojeni +12V shorel R115, takze nejspis neni napajena oblast okolo tranzistoru. hodnoty testpointu: P101 11,3V P102 3,5V P103 0,0V P104 6,6V P105 1,6V P106 0,0V P107 0,0V P108 0,0V P109 0,0V P110 11,9V Predem diky za reakce a napady. ROOTen From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 13 16:38:52 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 13 16:37:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050313163852.GA4429@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:26:54AM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > At 21:21 12.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > >On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 09:37:09PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > >> At 17:20 12.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> >> Can you send czech replyes to czech messages? My English is very bad. > >> >> > >> >> At 19:41 10.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> Testoval jsem sveho prvniho postaveneho twistera v zapojeni > >> >> >> PC<->AUI-forte<->RX+TX<->RX+TX<->twister. Prekvapilo me ze > >> >pres > >> >> >nej > >> >> >> neprojde ping vetsi nez 1500B (alespon myslim ze je to udavano v > >> >bytech a > >> >> >> ne v bitech). Pod 1500 projde vse s 0% packeloss, nad 1500 neprojde > >> >nic > >> >> >> podle svetylek na swichi se mi zda ze ping projde z PC do switche > >ale > >> >> >zpet > >> >> >> ne.Pri prenosu dat bezi vse v pohode. Tusi nekdo v cem by mohl byt > >> >> >problem? > >> >> > > >> >> >In the fragmentation. Test bidirectional packetloss by running two > >> >> >instances of ping -c at the same time. > >> >> > >> >> I don't understant to this. Can you write it in czech? > >> > > >> >Ve fragmentaci. Ozkousej packetloss pri obousmerne zatezi spustenim dvou > >> >instanci ping -c soucasne. > >> > > >> >Cl< > >> > >> Udelal jsem dalsi test. Pri ping -s 1500 ze strany kde je zapojene AUI > > > >Co to je za verzi pingu a ping -s 1500 je cela commandline nebo jeste > >jsou tam nejake dalsi parametry krome jmena/adresy ciloveho stroje? > > Ping je z baliku iputils-020927 a na druhym stroji iputils-021109. Cely > prikaz je ping 10.92.3.1 -s 1500 nebo ping 10.92.3.1 -s 1500 -i 0.001 Then try it with Ronjaping: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPing Hope it will be clear how ronjaping should be used from the README and manpage. Do ronjaping -c destination_machine and run this thing twice at the same moment. This will ensure that the link will be almost loaded in both directions. What RX and TX are you using? Cl< > > > >CL< > >> Forte blika TX LED na AUI interface a LEDky na switchi. Pri ping -s > >1500 ze > >> strany kde je PC - swicth - twister blikaji LED na switchi a RX i TX > >LED na > >> obou interfacech. Takze pri prvnim pokusu nastava chyba pravdepobobne > >mezi > >> vyslanim packetu z twistera a odpovedi kterou twister precte. Pri druhem > >> pokusu je pak proble asi mezi vyslanim odpovedi z twister a PC. Z toho mi > >> vypliva ze twister spatne prevadi signal do UTP. Chyba muze byt > >samozrejme > >> i ve switchi ale zda se mi to nepravdepodobne. Testoval jsem ping -s 1000 > >> az -s 1500 s beznym intervalem pingu i s -i 0.001. Nepochopil jsem proc > >> pouzivat -c co jsi psal a navic by se musel napsat i pocet ke counteru. > >> Priste se pokusim vyhodit switch, ale znamena to ze budu muset odpojit > >> vsechny na LAN (druhy testovaci PC je router) takze to musim lepe > >> naplanovat. > >> > >> Zatim diky za rady > >> Kucik > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 13 16:39:41 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 13 16:38:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: blokove schema In-Reply-To: <200503131011.44125.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <001401c524e8$6e08a4c0$13e5a8c0@net> <20050312211945.GD32599@beton.cybernet.src> <200503131011.44125.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050313163941.GB4429@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 10:11:43AM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2005 22:19, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 09:41:22PM +0100, KPR wrote: > > > Zdravim, > > > uz nejakou dobu sleduji projekt ronja a pokousim se k nemu dodelat > > > vzdalenou spravu a diagnostiku. Potreboval bych pochopit na jakem > > > principu pracuje ronja twister, resp. nejake blokove schema nebo kus > > > textu, abych pochopil co se tam v obvodech deje. je to mozne sehnat nekde > > > na strankach? nebo vyresit formou mailu? > > > > Blokove schema ani kus textu nemam. Ale kdyz to budete psat / kreslit v > > necem svobodnem co se da zaradit do Ronji (Sodipodi?) tak Vam protihodnotou > > za poslany zdrojak z predchoziho kroku odpovim dotazy ktere jsou potreba k > > nakresleni schematu. > > To jako to ma nakreslit, poslat a pak k tomu dostane tvuj popis? To mi prijde > znacne ulitly. Ne, zeptat se na jednu vec, nakreslit ji, poslat zdrojak s dotazem na dalsi vec atd. Cl< From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sun Mar 13 18:57:28 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 13 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050313185728.GA23041@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > At 17:20 12.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> Can you send czech replyes to czech messages? My English is very bad. > >> > >> At 19:41 10.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> > >> >> Testoval jsem sveho prvniho postaveneho twistera v zapojeni > >> >> PC<->AUI-forte<->RX+TX<->RX+TX<->twister. Prekvapilo me ze Is there another PC connected into the switch and are you pinging this other PC? CL< > >pres > >> >nej > >> >> neprojde ping vetsi nez 1500B (alespon myslim ze je to udavano v > >bytech a > >> >> ne v bitech). Pod 1500 projde vse s 0% packeloss, nad 1500 neprojde > >nic > >> >> podle svetylek na swichi se mi zda ze ping projde z PC do switche ale > >> >zpet > >> >> ne.Pri prenosu dat bezi vse v pohode. Tusi nekdo v cem by mohl byt > >> >problem? > >> > > >> >In the fragmentation. Test bidirectional packetloss by running two > >> >instances of ping -c at the same time. > >> > >> I don't understant to this. Can you write it in czech? > > > >Ve fragmentaci. Ozkousej packetloss pri obousmerne zatezi spustenim dvou > >instanci ping -c soucasne. > > > >Cl< > > Udelal jsem dalsi test. Pri ping -s 1500 ze strany kde je zapojene AUI > Forte blika TX LED na AUI interface a LEDky na switchi. Pri ping -s 1500 ze > strany kde je PC - swicth - twister blikaji LED na switchi a RX i TX LED na > obou interfacech. Takze pri prvnim pokusu nastava chyba pravdepobobne mezi > vyslanim packetu z twistera a odpovedi kterou twister precte. Pri druhem > pokusu je pak proble asi mezi vyslanim odpovedi z twister a PC. Z toho mi > vypliva ze twister spatne prevadi signal do UTP. Chyba muze byt samozrejme > i ve switchi ale zda se mi to nepravdepodobne. Testoval jsem ping -s 1000 > az -s 1500 s beznym intervalem pingu i s -i 0.001. Nepochopil jsem proc > pouzivat -c co jsi psal a navic by se musel napsat i pocet ke counteru. > Priste se pokusim vyhodit switch, ale znamena to ze budu muset odpojit > vsechny na LAN (druhy testovaci PC je router) takze to musim lepe > naplanovat. > > Zatim diky za rady > Kucik > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Sun Mar 13 21:23:46 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Sun Mar 13 21:24:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050313163852.GA4429@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> At 16:38 13.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: >On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:26:54AM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > > At 21:21 12.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 09:37:09PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > > >> At 17:20 12.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >> >> Can you send czech replyes to czech messages? My English is very bad. > > >> >> > > >> >> At 19:41 10.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> >> Testoval jsem sveho prvniho postaveneho twistera v zapojeni > > >> >> >> PC<->AUI-forte<->RX+TX<->RX+TX<->twister. Prekvapilo me ze > > >> >pres > > >> >> >nej > > >> >> >> neprojde ping vetsi nez 1500B (alespon myslim ze je to udavano v > > >> >bytech a > > >> >> >> ne v bitech). Pod 1500 projde vse s 0% packeloss, nad 1500 > neprojde > > >> >nic > > >> >> >> podle svetylek na swichi se mi zda ze ping projde z PC do switche > > >ale > > >> >> >zpet > > >> >> >> ne.Pri prenosu dat bezi vse v pohode. Tusi nekdo v cem by mohl byt > > >> >> >problem? > > >> >> > > > >> >> >In the fragmentation. Test bidirectional packetloss by running two > > >> >> >instances of ping -c at the same time. > > >> >> > > >> >> I don't understant to this. Can you write it in czech? > > >> > > > >> >Ve fragmentaci. Ozkousej packetloss pri obousmerne zatezi spustenim > dvou > > >> >instanci ping -c soucasne. > > >> > > > >> >Cl< > > >> > > >> Udelal jsem dalsi test. Pri ping -s 1500 ze strany kde je zapojene AUI > > > > > >Co to je za verzi pingu a ping -s 1500 je cela commandline nebo jeste > > >jsou tam nejake dalsi parametry krome jmena/adresy ciloveho stroje? > > > > Ping je z baliku iputils-020927 a na druhym stroji iputils-021109. Cely > > prikaz je ping 10.92.3.1 -s 1500 nebo ping 10.92.3.1 -s 1500 -i 0.001 > >Then try it with Ronjaping: >http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPing > >Hope it will be clear how ronjaping should be used from the README and >manpage. >Do ronjaping -c destination_machine and run this thing twice at the same >moment. This will ensure that the link will be almost loaded in both >directions. I tested ronjaping -c on both machines (and I changed one of testing PC) at the same moment. There was packetloss somwhere around 0.03% When I used normal ping, I note that in the results of ping was some errors. >What RX and TX are you using? > >Cl< I'm using already tested airwire TX, RX and AUI forte. > > > > > > >CL< > > >> Forte blika TX LED na AUI interface a LEDky na switchi. Pri ping -s > > >1500 ze > > >> strany kde je PC - swicth - twister blikaji LED na switchi a RX i TX > > >LED na > > >> obou interfacech. Takze pri prvnim pokusu nastava chyba pravdepobobne > > >mezi > > >> vyslanim packetu z twistera a odpovedi kterou twister precte. Pri druhem > > >> pokusu je pak proble asi mezi vyslanim odpovedi z twister a PC. Z > toho mi > > >> vypliva ze twister spatne prevadi signal do UTP. Chyba muze byt > > >samozrejme > > >> i ve switchi ale zda se mi to nepravdepodobne. Testoval jsem ping -s > 1000 > > >> az -s 1500 s beznym intervalem pingu i s -i 0.001. Nepochopil jsem proc > > >> pouzivat -c co jsi psal a navic by se musel napsat i pocet ke counteru. > > >> Priste se pokusim vyhodit switch, ale znamena to ze budu muset odpojit > > >> vsechny na LAN (druhy testovaci PC je router) takze to musim lepe > > >> naplanovat. > > >> > > >> Zatim diky za rady > > >> Kucik > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Ronja mailing list > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Mon Mar 14 08:39:46 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Mar 14 08:39:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strucny popis ronja voXor's holder Message-ID: <42354DD2.7030400@katka.biz> Ahoj, sepsal sem strucny popis drzaku ktery je na ronje na nodu voxor smerem na dusika http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/MocSeSTimNesrat treba se nekomu bude hodit ; ) p0l0us From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Mar 15 08:08:27 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Mar 15 08:09:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx SMD problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4236A60B.8058.14BF64@localhost> Jestli mas tu zkurvenou desku od Kohouta, tak podle symptomu mas zkrat na desce pod NE592 mezi nozickou 12 a zemi (vyrobni vada). A dal mas zkrat nekde kolem tranzistoru ale to musis promerit sam. > Dobry den. > Predem: vim ze SMD verze nejsou podporovany, ale urcite se najdou lide, kteri je pouzivaji a dokazi pomoct. > > Mam problem s Rx, prijimaci dioda je SFH203, modul reaguje zmenou RSSI na svit dalkoveho ovladace (z 0V na 2,5V). Po zapojeni +12V shorel R115, takze nejspis neni napajena oblast okolo tranzistoru. > > hodnoty testpointu: > P101 11,3V > P102 3,5V > P103 0,0V > P104 6,6V > P105 1,6V > P106 0,0V > P107 0,0V > P108 0,0V > P109 0,0V > P110 11,9V > > Predem diky za reakce a napady. > > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Mar 15 18:20:24 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Mar 15 18:20:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Strucny popis ronja voXor's holder In-Reply-To: <42354DD2.7030400@katka.biz> References: <42354DD2.7030400@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050315182024.GA13589@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Ahoj, > sepsal sem strucny popis drzaku ktery je na ronje na nodu voxor smerem > na dusika > > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/MocSeSTimNesrat I have sticked it into the Ronja autogeneration system: http://ronja.twibright.com/console/voxor.php CL< > > treba se nekomu bude hodit ; ) > p0l0us From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Mar 15 18:36:30 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Mar 15 18:36:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050315183630.GA17923@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > > > >Hope it will be clear how ronjaping should be used from the README and > >manpage. > >Do ronjaping -c destination_machine and run this thing twice at the same > >moment. This will ensure that the link will be almost loaded in both > >directions. > > I tested ronjaping -c on both machines (and I changed one of testing PC) at > the same moment. There was packetloss somwhere around 0.03% > When I used normal ping, I note that in the results of ping was some errors. Then your Ronja is OK. It just looks like it has a poor SNR. Are you satisfied with the diagnosis? CL< From kucik at net22.cz Thu Mar 17 18:31:23 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Thu Mar 17 18:31:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050315183630.GA17923@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> At 19:36 15.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > >Hope it will be clear how ronjaping should be used from the README and > > >manpage. > > >Do ronjaping -c destination_machine and run this thing twice at the same > > >moment. This will ensure that the link will be almost loaded in both > > >directions. > > > > I tested ronjaping -c on both machines (and I changed one of testing > PC) at > > the same moment. There was packetloss somwhere around 0.03% > > When I used normal ping, I note that in the results of ping was some > errors. > >Then your Ronja is OK. It just looks like it has a poor SNR. Are you >satisfied with the diagnosis? > >CL< I thing that link works good, because data transfer through twister is fast, and I tested 4 days continuous ping (43554 packets :-)) with 0%PL. I was only interested this problem. You certainly tested packet over 1500B, but did somebody notice this? Thank for your counsel. Kucik >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Fri Mar 18 09:09:07 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Mar 18 09:09:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050318090907.GA2799@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > >Then your Ronja is OK. It just looks like it has a poor SNR. Are you > >satisfied with the diagnosis? > > > >CL< > > I thing that link works good, because data transfer through twister is > fast, and I tested 4 days continuous ping (43554 packets :-)) with 0%PL. I > was only interested this problem. You certainly tested packet over 1500B, > but did somebody notice this? Aha. Your problem was that packets <=1500 went with 0%PL and >1500 with small PL. This has obviously something to do with the fragmentation which occurs at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as well but am not sure. Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or what fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you get the packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems or too low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by receiving multiple frames at a time. CL< From kucik at net22.cz Fri Mar 18 17:19:36 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Fri Mar 18 17:20:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050318090907.GA2799@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> At 10:09 18.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >Then your Ronja is OK. It just looks like it has a poor SNR. Are you > > >satisfied with the diagnosis? > > > > > >CL< > > > > I thing that link works good, because data transfer through twister is > > fast, and I tested 4 days continuous ping (43554 packets :-)) with 0%PL. I > > was only interested this problem. You certainly tested packet over 1500B, > > but did somebody notice this? > >Aha. Your problem was that packets <=1500 went with 0%PL and >1500 with >small PL. No packet >1500 100%PL >This has obviously something to do with the fragmentation which occurs >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as well but >am not sure. > >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or what >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you get the >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems or too >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by receiving >multiple frames at a time. > >CL< Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I will change the wire. >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From anmic at fmg.sk Sun Mar 20 17:43:32 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Mon Mar 21 12:33:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Testing Ronja Aui Forte Message-ID: <000a01c52d74$be63b970$5aec6cc2@anmic> Is possible to perform AUI Forte packet test without using Tx+Rx modules? Is only simple interconnecting coax input and output is enough? Thanks, anMic From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 20 19:37:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Mar 21 17:44:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050320193742.GB22253@beton.cybernet.src> > >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the > >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as well but > >am not sure. > > > >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or what > >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you get the > >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems or too > >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by receiving > >multiple frames at a time. > > > >CL< > > Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I will > change the wire. Which cable? I mean the problem can be in the endpoints (network card, operating system). CL< From kucik at net22.cz Mon Mar 21 17:56:07 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Mon Mar 21 17:55:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050320193742.GB22253@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the > > >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as well but > > >am not sure. > > > > > >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or what > > >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you get the > > >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems or too > > >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by receiving > > >multiple frames at a time. > > > > > >CL< > > > > Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I will > > change the wire. > >Which cable? UTP cable in twister. >I mean the problem can be in the endpoints (network card, operating system). > >CL< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Mon Mar 21 19:55:12 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Mar 21 19:55:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <423F26A0.20009@katka.biz> Martin Kucko wrote: > At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > >> > >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the >> > >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as >> well but >> > >am not sure. >> > > >> > >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or what >> > >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you >> get the >> > >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems >> or too >> > >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by receiving >> > >multiple frames at a time. >> > > >> > >CL< >> > >> > Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I >> will >> > change the wire. >> >> Which cable? > > > UTP cable in twister. Clock mean, disconnect all of ronja devices, and use normal UTP cable instead, I think . Test everything but ronja - hardware, settings etc. p0l0us From zapadlo at melzer.cz Tue Mar 22 05:20:28 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Tue Mar 22 05:20:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) Message-ID: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Zdravim proslo mi ted rukama vetsi mnozstvi modulu a na zaklade statisticke zkusenosti se chci zeptat na nasledujici: Vsechny prijimace jsem nastavil z pohledu stejnosmernych pracovnich bodu stejne, presto nektery zacne ztratovat pri 50mV RSSI a jiny pri 80mV (Ano vim, ovlivnuje to kvalita diod v mereni RSSI), ale v kazdem pripade nektery zacne ztratovat uz ve vzdalenosti 1.8m od Tx a jiny az od 2.2m od Tx. Jakou mate zkusenost, co nejvic ovlivnuje ciltivost, je to vstupni fet, nebo ne592? h21e tranzistoru v limiteru na to moc vliv nema (podle meho nazoru) Nekdo tady uvadel ze bezne dosahuje delku bez optiky kolem 4m. Podle mych zkusenosti na tuto vzdalenost se ani nepohne RSSI ze sve zakladni sumove hodnoty. Kde je tedy ten figl? Podotykam ze konstrukce je airwire v plechovych krabickach s nijak neupravovanym zapojenim a testovano to bylo proti jednomu Tx. Dik za nazory S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From polous at katka.biz Tue Mar 22 05:34:22 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Mar 22 05:34:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz> Petr Zapadlo wrote: >Zdravim > >proslo mi ted rukama vetsi mnozstvi modulu a na zaklade statisticke zkusenosti >se chci zeptat na nasledujici: > >Vsechny prijimace jsem nastavil z pohledu stejnosmernych pracovnich bodu >stejne, presto nektery zacne ztratovat pri 50mV RSSI a jiny pri 80mV (Ano >vim, ovlivnuje to kvalita diod v mereni RSSI), ale v kazdem pripade nektery >zacne ztratovat uz ve vzdalenosti 1.8m od Tx a jiny az od 2.2m od Tx. >Jakou mate zkusenost, co nejvic ovlivnuje ciltivost, je to vstupni fet, nebo >ne592? h21e tranzistoru v limiteru na to moc vliv nema (podle meho nazoru) > >Nekdo tady uvadel ze bezne dosahuje delku bez optiky kolem 4m. Podle mych >zkusenosti na tuto vzdalenost se ani nepohne RSSI ze sve zakladni sumove >hodnoty. >Kde je tedy ten figl? > > >Podotykam ze konstrukce je airwire v plechovych krabickach s nijak >neupravovanym zapojenim a testovano to bylo proti jednomu Tx. > >Dik za nazory > >S pozdravem > > s tou vzdalenosti mam podobne zkusenosti, taky mi do dneska neni jasne kde se da vyducat tech 3.5-4 metry ? rssi pro 0% pl pingu velikosti 1472 se mi pohybuje od 50mV do 130mV u ruznych modulu. Rx ledky oba povolene typy. Tx taky nekolik povolenych typu, vcetne Rysova HACKu. Pokud mate nekdo 4metrovou elektroniku doma, byl bych rad, pokud by jste dal vedet a pujcil mi ji na par dni. Rad bych ji okouk (nikoliv pajkou) a zjistil jesti je to prijmacema nebo vysilacema nebo proste haluz. p0l0us From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Mar 22 08:30:39 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Mar 22 08:32:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <423FE5BF.11342.255AFF@localhost> > Zdravim > > proslo mi ted rukama vetsi mnozstvi modulu a na zaklade statisticke zkusenosti > se chci zeptat na nasledujici: > S twisterem by to melo jet od 50mV vejs, na zemi cca 2-3metry. Se starym AUI to jede od cca 20mV a na 4 i vice metru. Citlivost nejvic ovlivnuje MOSFET - rozptyl zesileni je dan jednak vodivosti a druhak s tim souvisejicim doladenim drainoveho odporu. Druhy nejvyznamejsi je rozptyl svitivosti LED. NE592 a usmernovac maji parametry prekvapive stale. Limeter nema taky vliv skoro zadny. Dokonce se me ukazalo jako kontaproduktivni presne parovat tranzistory. Rozdil v H21 o cca 10-20 o neco zlepsi sumove vlasnosti. > Vsechny prijimace jsem nastavil z pohledu stejnosmernych pracovnich bodu > stejne, presto nektery zacne ztratovat pri 50mV RSSI a jiny pri 80mV (Ano > vim, ovlivnuje to kvalita diod v mereni RSSI), ale v kazdem pripade nektery > zacne ztratovat uz ve vzdalenosti 1.8m od Tx a jiny az od 2.2m od Tx. > Jakou mate zkusenost, co nejvic ovlivnuje ciltivost, je to vstupni fet, nebo > ne592? h21e tranzistoru v limiteru na to moc vliv nema (podle meho nazoru) > > Nekdo tady uvadel ze bezne dosahuje delku bez optiky kolem 4m. Podle mych > zkusenosti na tuto vzdalenost se ani nepohne RSSI ze sve zakladni sumove > hodnoty. > Kde je tedy ten figl? > Vtip muze byt v tom, kdyz se to polozi na parkety nebo podobny odrazivy povrch, tak je dosah hned o metr, dva vetsi, oproti tomu kdyt to jede ze stolu na stul volnym prostorem. Moje vlastni SMD plosnaky bez stineni takhle jedou s twisterem na 210-240cm, kdyz TX lezi na hrane stolu a RX drzim v pazoure 80cm nad zemi. Kdyz to vsechno polozim na parkety, tak je tam hned 260-290cm. Kdyz pak dam na parketach oba smery na jednou, tak to hned zase spadne na 220cm, jak se to navzajem rusi. Zajimavy je ze kdyz je zakrytuju, tak dosah vzroste jen o dalsich cca 15-20cm. > > Podotykam ze konstrukce je airwire v plechovych krabickach s nijak > neupravovanym zapojenim a testovano to bylo proti jednomu Tx. > > Dik za nazory > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo From schum at seznam.cz Tue Mar 22 14:12:44 2005 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Tue Mar 22 14:13:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SMD Rx tistak Message-ID: <458.70-15956-1911879579-1111500764@seznam.cz> ahoj lidi, chyba na SMD Rx tustaku od fy. SPOJ-Kohout tady uz byla zminovana, nevim jestli byla dostatecne popsana proto se k tomu vracim. Jedna se o revizi 120304. Na stran? sou??stek je zkrat mezi vyvodem 11 NE592 a zemi, projevi se to tak ze polovina napajeciho napeti ktera je za normalniho stavu na vstupech obvodu klesne na jednom ze vstupu na cca 2,7V a na druhem na 0,85V. Bacha na to, zkontrolovat pred osazenim NE592. Chyba se nachazi pouze na nekterych kusech Mirek ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 1000 MB From kucik at net22.cz Tue Mar 22 16:27:08 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Tue Mar 22 16:27:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <423F26A0.20009@katka.biz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050322172559.0327ae20@mail.net22.cz> At 20:55 21.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: >Martin Kucko wrote: > >>At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: >> >>> > >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the >>> > >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as well but >>> > >am not sure. >>> > > >>> > >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or what >>> > >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you get the >>> > >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems or too >>> > >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by receiving >>> > >multiple frames at a time. >>> > > >>> > >CL< >>> > >>> > Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I will >>> > change the wire. >>> >>>Which cable? >> >> >>UTP cable in twister. > >Clock mean, disconnect all of ronja devices, and use normal UTP cable >instead, I think . Test everything but ronja - hardware, settings etc. > >p0l0us This is already tested. Kucik From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Mar 22 17:58:56 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (boza2@volny.cz) Date: Tue Mar 22 17:59:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz> References: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz> Message-ID: <00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> Zdravim, ty 4m jsem tvrdil ja. Testuju to tak, ze mam na stole vedle sebe Rx a Tx, mezi nima neco aby se neovlivnovaly a pak jdu se zrcadlem stale dal. A bezne jsem 2m daleko, z cehoz odvozuji 2m+2m=4m Pingy nenastavuju zadne specialni, pouzivam normalni a koukam kdy uz prestavaji chodit. U nejlepsich sestav jsem se dostal na 4.4m, ale take jsem tu mel takove, ktere daly tak 2.6m a nicim jsem z nich nedostal vice. Ale rekl bych ze tak 90% desek se vejde do 3.5-4m. Take nemerim PL, proste jen resim jede / nejede. Bavim se o tech SMD verich, plosnaky od Kohouta, LEDky E4000, ted budu zkouset nekdy i s Fkama, tak jsem zvedavej jestli to bude o neco lepsi. Ondra ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Martin Polehla" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) Datum: 22.3.2005 - 6:34:41 > Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > >Zdravim > > > >proslo mi ted rukama vetsi mnozstvi modulu a na zaklade > >statisticke zkusenosti > >se chci zeptat na nasledujici: > > > >Vsechny prijimace jsem nastavil z pohledu stejnosmernych > >pracovnich bodu > >stejne, presto nektery zacne ztratovat pri 50mV RSSI a jiny > >pri 80mV (Ano > >vim, ovlivnuje to kvalita diod v mereni RSSI), ale v kazdem > >pripade nektery > >zacne ztratovat uz ve vzdalenosti 1.8m od Tx a jiny az od 2.2m > >od Tx. > >Jakou mate zkusenost, co nejvic ovlivnuje ciltivost, je to > >vstupni fet, nebo > >ne592? h21e tranzistoru v limiteru na to moc vliv nema (podle > >meho nazoru) > > > >Nekdo tady uvadel ze bezne dosahuje delku bez optiky kolem 4m. > >Podle mych > >zkusenosti na tuto vzdalenost se ani nepohne RSSI ze sve > >zakladni sumove > >hodnoty. > >Kde je tedy ten figl? > > > > > >Podotykam ze konstrukce je airwire v plechovych krabickach s > >nijak > >neupravovanym zapojenim a testovano to bylo proti jednomu Tx. > > > >Dik za nazory > > > >S pozdravem > > > > > s tou vzdalenosti mam podobne zkusenosti, taky mi do dneska > neni jasne > kde se da vyducat tech 3.5-4 metry ? > rssi pro 0% pl pingu velikosti 1472 se mi pohybuje od 50mV do > 130mV u > ruznych modulu. Rx ledky oba povolene typy. Tx taky nekolik > povolenych > typu, vcetne Rysova HACKu. > > Pokud mate nekdo 4metrovou elektroniku doma, byl bych rad, > pokud by jste > dal vedet a pujcil mi ji na par dni. Rad bych ji okouk (nikoliv > pajkou) > a zjistil jesti je to prijmacema nebo vysilacema nebo proste > haluz. > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- ! NOVINKA ! -- SURVIVAL L-Carnitin+Chrom -- Zbav se kil a dej se do formy! http://www.sportwave.cz From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Mar 22 18:01:07 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (boza2@volny.cz) Date: Tue Mar 22 18:01:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz> References: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz> Message-ID: <631a81d698454fe5df571f2f19afb637@www3.mail.volny.cz> Jeste dodavam, ze to testuji s AUIckem (tim starym) na plosnaku nebo v hnide - mam obe verze. A na zemi mam koberec. Ondra ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Martin Polehla" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) Datum: 22.3.2005 - 6:34:41 > Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > >Zdravim > > > >proslo mi ted rukama vetsi mnozstvi modulu a na zaklade > >statisticke zkusenosti > >se chci zeptat na nasledujici: > > > >Vsechny prijimace jsem nastavil z pohledu stejnosmernych > >pracovnich bodu > >stejne, presto nektery zacne ztratovat pri 50mV RSSI a jiny > >pri 80mV (Ano > >vim, ovlivnuje to kvalita diod v mereni RSSI), ale v kazdem > >pripade nektery > >zacne ztratovat uz ve vzdalenosti 1.8m od Tx a jiny az od 2.2m > >od Tx. > >Jakou mate zkusenost, co nejvic ovlivnuje ciltivost, je to > >vstupni fet, nebo > >ne592? h21e tranzistoru v limiteru na to moc vliv nema (podle > >meho nazoru) > > > >Nekdo tady uvadel ze bezne dosahuje delku bez optiky kolem 4m. > >Podle mych > >zkusenosti na tuto vzdalenost se ani nepohne RSSI ze sve > >zakladni sumove > >hodnoty. > >Kde je tedy ten figl? > > > > > >Podotykam ze konstrukce je airwire v plechovych krabickach s > >nijak > >neupravovanym zapojenim a testovano to bylo proti jednomu Tx. > > > >Dik za nazory > > > >S pozdravem > > > > > s tou vzdalenosti mam podobne zkusenosti, taky mi do dneska > neni jasne > kde se da vyducat tech 3.5-4 metry ? > rssi pro 0% pl pingu velikosti 1472 se mi pohybuje od 50mV do > 130mV u > ruznych modulu. Rx ledky oba povolene typy. Tx taky nekolik > povolenych > typu, vcetne Rysova HACKu. > > Pokud mate nekdo 4metrovou elektroniku doma, byl bych rad, > pokud by jste > dal vedet a pujcil mi ji na par dni. Rad bych ji okouk (nikoliv > pajkou) > a zjistil jesti je to prijmacema nebo vysilacema nebo proste > haluz. > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Levn?j?? internet v pracovn? dny ji? od 18:00 hod. Surfujte s VOLN?! http://mimospicku.volny.cz From polous at katka.biz Tue Mar 22 18:09:42 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Mar 22 18:10:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> References: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz> <00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <42405F66.9020505@katka.biz> boza2@volny.cz wrote: >Zdravim, ty 4m jsem tvrdil ja. > >Testuju to tak, ze mam na stole vedle sebe Rx a Tx, mezi nima neco >aby se neovlivnovaly a pak jdu se zrcadlem stale dal. A bezne jsem >2m daleko, z cehoz odvozuji 2m+2m=4m Pingy nenastavuju zadne >specialni, pouzivam normalni a koukam kdy uz prestavaji chodit. U >nejlepsich sestav jsem se dostal na 4.4m, ale take jsem tu mel >takove, ktere daly tak 2.6m a nicim jsem z nich nedostal vice. Ale >rekl bych ze tak 90% desek se vejde do 3.5-4m. Take nemerim PL, >proste jen resim jede / nejede. Bavim se o tech SMD verich, >plosnaky od Kohouta, LEDky E4000, ted budu zkouset nekdy i s Fkama, >tak jsem zvedavej jestli to bude o neco lepsi. > >Ondra > co prosim znamena prestavaji chodit presne ? mysilm treba: 0% PL <5 % PL <50% PL nebo snad < 100% PL dik p0l0us From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Mar 22 20:52:43 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Tue Mar 22 20:52:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) References: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz><00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> <42405F66.9020505@katka.biz> Message-ID: <001101c52f21$18939ac0$0103450a@thechosen> ja co sem vzdy testoval tak mi to bud jelo nebo ne, nejakej prechod s rustem packetlossu sme moc nepozoroval, vam to se vzdalensoti roste postupne jo? M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) > boza2@volny.cz wrote: > > >Zdravim, ty 4m jsem tvrdil ja. > > > >Testuju to tak, ze mam na stole vedle sebe Rx a Tx, mezi nima neco > >aby se neovlivnovaly a pak jdu se zrcadlem stale dal. A bezne jsem > >2m daleko, z cehoz odvozuji 2m+2m=4m Pingy nenastavuju zadne > >specialni, pouzivam normalni a koukam kdy uz prestavaji chodit. U > >nejlepsich sestav jsem se dostal na 4.4m, ale take jsem tu mel > >takove, ktere daly tak 2.6m a nicim jsem z nich nedostal vice. Ale > >rekl bych ze tak 90% desek se vejde do 3.5-4m. Take nemerim PL, > >proste jen resim jede / nejede. Bavim se o tech SMD verich, > >plosnaky od Kohouta, LEDky E4000, ted budu zkouset nekdy i s Fkama, > >tak jsem zvedavej jestli to bude o neco lepsi. > > > >Ondra > > > co prosim znamena prestavaji chodit presne ? > > mysilm treba: > 0% PL > <5 % PL > <50% PL > nebo snad < 100% PL > > > dik > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0512-0, 22.03.2005 Testovano: 22.3.2005 21:52:46 avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From polous at katka.biz Tue Mar 22 23:04:22 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Mar 22 23:04:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <001101c52f21$18939ac0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz><00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> <42405F66.9020505@katka.biz> <001101c52f21$18939ac0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <4240A476.10305@katka.biz> Michal Mal??ek wrote: >ja co sem vzdy testoval tak mi to bud jelo nebo ne, nejakej prechod s rustem >packetlossu sme moc nepozoroval, vam to se vzdalensoti roste postupne jo? > >M. > Rozhodne sem pri fload pingu o velikosti 1472b pozoroval prechod kde se "uplny" 0,00%pl neplynule zvysuje. Nebo stav kdy normalni ping jeste rika 0% ale pri vetsich pingach uz nejake ty packety zacinaj vypadavat. Pricitam to hlavne kolisani RSSI mezi stavem kdy prichazeji packety a mezi stavem kdy zadne neprichazeji (nekdy to dela treba 30mV). Viz napr. mereni BER v navodu na testovani. Mozna ze pri malem pingu (56b) s odstupem 1s se tento jev neprojevi tolik vyrazne. Predpokladam ze ronja nebude nasazena do site kde pujde jeden 84bitovej packet za sekundu, proto mi taky mereni s malyma pingama pripada zavadejci. V tomhle kontextu je zajmave mereni BER na konci navodu na testovani. p0l0us From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Mar 23 08:10:55 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Mar 23 08:10:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Testing Ronja Aui Forte In-Reply-To: <000a01c52d74$be63b970$5aec6cc2@anmic> References: <000a01c52d74$be63b970$5aec6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <200503230910.56012.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Sunday 20 March 2005 18:43, anMic wrote: > Is possible to perform AUI Forte packet test without using Tx+Rx modules? > Is only simple interconnecting coax input and output is enough? Do not connect both shields together! On one end is +12V and on other GND. If connected with single wire, the loopback test is possible. Jakub > > Thanks, > anMic > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Mar 23 11:02:29 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Mar 23 11:02:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> References: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz> <00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050323110229.GA5192@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Zdravim, ty 4m jsem tvrdil ja. > > Testuju to tak, ze mam na stole vedle sebe Rx a Tx, mezi nima neco > aby se neovlivnovaly a pak jdu se zrcadlem stale dal. A bezne jsem > 2m daleko, z cehoz odvozuji 2m+2m=4m Pingy nenastavuju zadne > specialni, pouzivam normalni a koukam kdy uz prestavaji chodit. U > nejlepsich sestav jsem se dostal na 4.4m, ale take jsem tu mel > takove, ktere daly tak 2.6m a nicim jsem z nich nedostal vice. Ale > rekl bych ze tak 90% desek se vejde do 3.5-4m. Take nemerim PL, > proste jen resim jede / nejede. Bavim se o tech SMD verich, It depend on the input MOSFET type and also from piece to piece. Modern manufacturing processes and designs are obviously able to generate MOSFETs with very high forward tranfer admittance (about 30mS BF908). The higher forward transfer admittance, the lower effect of noise generated in the MOSFET. The admittance depends on how well they had luck to make the chip/series. So it depends on type and on a piece. However the noise is not so important as most noise comes during day from the ambient light (especially on sunny days). At night Ronja can have like 3 times greater range or so in clear air with a good piece of transistor. The users should not worry they have inferior piece. It won't have probably any effect on their range thanks to sun. Only nighttime operation in fog will be impaired by low-quality transistor. CL< From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Mar 23 11:03:40 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Mar 23 11:03:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050323110340.GB5192@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the > >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as well but > >> >am not sure. > >> > > >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or what > >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you get the > >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems or too > >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by receiving > >> >multiple frames at a time. > >> > > >> >CL< > >> > >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I will > >> change the wire. > > > >Which cable? > > UTP cable in twister. No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try with a piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in Ronja or in rest of the system. CL< From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Mar 23 11:04:33 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Mar 23 11:04:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> References: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz> <00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050323110432.GA6215@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Zdravim, ty 4m jsem tvrdil ja. > > Testuju to tak, ze mam na stole vedle sebe Rx a Tx, mezi nima neco > aby se neovlivnovaly a pak jdu se zrcadlem stale dal. A bezne jsem > 2m daleko, z cehoz odvozuji 2m+2m=4m Pingy nenastavuju zadne > specialni, pouzivam normalni a koukam kdy uz prestavaji chodit. U > nejlepsich sestav jsem se dostal na 4.4m, ale take jsem tu mel > takove, ktere daly tak 2.6m a nicim jsem z nich nedostal vice. Ale > rekl bych ze tak 90% desek se vejde do 3.5-4m. Take nemerim PL, > proste jen resim jede / nejede. Bavim se o tech SMD verich, > plosnaky od Kohouta, LEDky E4000, ted budu zkouset nekdy i s Fkama, Which type of LED do you mean by "s Fkama"? CL< From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Mar 23 11:07:21 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Mar 23 11:07:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Testing Ronja Aui Forte In-Reply-To: <000a01c52d74$be63b970$5aec6cc2@anmic> References: <000a01c52d74$be63b970$5aec6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050323110720.GB6215@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Is possible to perform AUI Forte packet test without using Tx+Rx modules? Is > only simple interconnecting coax input and output is enough? Yes you can short RX and TX inner wire with 5cm of wire on the terminal block on AUI and have a loopback testing AUI this way. CL< From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Mar 23 11:08:05 2005 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Mar 23 11:08:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050323110805.GC6215@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > At 10:09 18.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> >Then your Ronja is OK. It just looks like it has a poor SNR. Are you > >> >satisfied with the diagnosis? > >> > > >> >CL< > >> > >> I thing that link works good, because data transfer through twister is > >> fast, and I tested 4 days continuous ping (43554 packets :-)) with 0%PL. > >I > >> was only interested this problem. You certainly tested packet over 1500B, > >> but did somebody notice this? > > > >Aha. Your problem was that packets <=1500 went with 0%PL and >1500 with > >small PL. > > No packet >1500 100%PL Then test it with a piece of wire placed instead of the whole Ronja. CL< From kucik at net22.cz Wed Mar 23 13:57:47 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Wed Mar 23 13:57:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050323110340.GB5192@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> At 12:03 23.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > > >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the > > >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as well but > > >> >am not sure. > > >> > > > >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or what > > >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you > get the > > >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems or too > > >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by receiving > > >> >multiple frames at a time. > > >> > > > >> >CL< > > >> > > >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I will > > >> change the wire. > > > > > >Which cable? > > > > UTP cable in twister. > >No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try with a >piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in Ronja >or in rest of the system. > >CL< I did it at first. I used AUI cable + AUI<->UTP transceiver + UTP cable and all worked good. Kucik From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Mar 23 17:40:32 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Mar 23 17:41:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <20050323110229.GA5192@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <4241B820.3730.2721D4@localhost> > > Zdravim, ty 4m jsem tvrdil ja. > > > > Testuju to tak, ze mam na stole vedle sebe Rx a Tx, mezi nima neco > > aby se neovlivnovaly a pak jdu se zrcadlem stale dal. A bezne jsem > > 2m daleko, z cehoz odvozuji 2m+2m=4m Pingy nenastavuju zadne > > specialni, pouzivam normalni a koukam kdy uz prestavaji chodit. U > > nejlepsich sestav jsem se dostal na 4.4m, ale take jsem tu mel > > takove, ktere daly tak 2.6m a nicim jsem z nich nedostal vice. Ale > > rekl bych ze tak 90% desek se vejde do 3.5-4m. Take nemerim PL, > > proste jen resim jede / nejede. Bavim se o tech SMD verich, > > It depend on the input MOSFET type and also from piece to piece. > > Modern manufacturing processes and designs are obviously able to > generate MOSFETs with very high forward tranfer admittance (about 30mS > BF908). The higher forward transfer admittance, the lower effect of > noise generated in the MOSFET. > > The admittance depends on how well they had luck to make the > chip/series. So it depends on type and on a piece. > > However the noise is not so important as most noise comes during day > from the ambient light (especially on sunny days). At night Ronja can > have like 3 times greater range or so in clear air with a good piece > of transistor. > > The users should not worry they have inferior piece. It won't have > probably any effect on their range thanks to sun. > > Only nighttime operation in fog will be impaired by low-quality > transistor. > > CL< > Jeste dodam ze u AUIcka (toho nejstarsiho, forte jsem nezkousel) jsou ty 4metry normalni. Ono je o dost citlivejsi. RSSI od cca 20mV vejs. U twistera to chodi na cca 220-300cm a RSSI od 50mV vyse. Taky zalezi jestli to lezi na koberci nebo parketach. Na parketach me to jede na 280cm, na koberci treba 220cm. Nejlepsi je asi polozit TX na kraj stolu a RX drzet v ruce ve vzduchu aby to nechalo odrazy. Jsem nad tim tuhle taky badal. Jsem testoval nove tistaky v obou smerech bez stineni jely na cca 220cm, po zakrytovani na 230cm. Pak jsem zjistil ze se me oba smery navzajem rusi, kvuli odrazum na parketach. Jak jsem je dal "ze stolu na stul", ejhle 280cm. Petr From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Mar 23 21:19:17 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (boza2@volny.cz) Date: Wed Mar 23 21:19:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <20050323110432.GA6215@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz> <00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> <20050323110432.GA6215@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <9eb729bdfaaec9074515ff2fdc4da46a@www3.mail.volny.cz> HPWT-BD00-F4000 ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Karel Kulhavy" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) Datum: 23.3.2005 - 12:04:58 > > Zdravim, ty 4m jsem tvrdil ja. > > > > Testuju to tak, ze mam na stole vedle sebe Rx a Tx, mezi nima > > neco > > aby se neovlivnovaly a pak jdu se zrcadlem stale dal. A bezne > > jsem > > 2m daleko, z cehoz odvozuji 2m+2m=4m Pingy nenastavuju zadne > > specialni, pouzivam normalni a koukam kdy uz prestavaji > > chodit. U > > nejlepsich sestav jsem se dostal na 4.4m, ale take jsem tu > > mel > > takove, ktere daly tak 2.6m a nicim jsem z nich nedostal > > vice. Ale > > rekl bych ze tak 90% desek se vejde do 3.5-4m. Take nemerim > > PL, > > proste jen resim jede / nejede. Bavim se o tech SMD verich, > > plosnaky od Kohouta, LEDky E4000, ted budu zkouset nekdy i s > > Fkama, > > Which type of LED do you mean by "s Fkama"? > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Levn?j?? internet v pracovn? dny ji? od 18:00 hod. Surfujte s VOLN?! http://mimospicku.volny.cz From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Mar 24 13:25:00 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Mar 24 13:25:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx Message-ID: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Zdravim ted jsem narazil jeste na jeden Rx, ktery se chova tak ze data zacnou prochazet az od RSSI cca 300mV coz se mi zda prilis moc. Testuji to na jednom konkretnim twisteru, s ostanimi prijimaci dosah cca 2m, data zacnou vypadavat pri RSSI cca 70mV. Pri adekvatni vzdalenosti kolem tech 2m ukazuje taky tech 70mV, ale data zacne prenaset az kdyt to priblizim na tech 300mV. Vstupni fet jsem cvicne vymenil ale tim to nebylo (ani jsem to necekal). Muze to delat nadrbly NE592, nebo se mam soustredit jen na vystupni limiter? Tam, ale neni celkem co pokazit a stejnosmerne se zda byt v poradku (hodnoty kondenzatoru vizualne zkontrolovane) Napada vas jest neco? Dik S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Mar 24 13:39:38 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Mar 24 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Logo Ronji (maskot) Message-ID: <200503241439.38410.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Zdravim nevim jetli tema "Logo Ronja" uz neni vycerpane nebo vyresene, ale dostal jsem takovy napad. Coz takhle tvar kocky s jednim sviticim okem? (samozrejmne cervene) Kdo mate doma kocku a nekdy jste na ni ve tme posvitili tak vite o cem mluvim. Nejsem grafik, takze nedokazu vyplodit ani naznak, ale nekdo by se toho mohl chytit. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From anmic at fmg.sk Thu Mar 24 19:26:35 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Thu Mar 24 19:31:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] NPO capacitors (?) Message-ID: <003c01c530a8$06378cf0$8bea6cc2@anmic> What does the "NPO" mark in some capacitor items in AUI Forte component list mean? (http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/aui_forte.components.cz) What is the difference between normal ceramic and the "NPO" capacitors? Thanks, anMic From mark.robinson at paradise.net.nz Thu Mar 24 22:46:32 2005 From: mark.robinson at paradise.net.nz (Mark Robinson) Date: Thu Mar 24 22:46:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] NPO capacitors (?) In-Reply-To: <003c01c530a8$06378cf0$8bea6cc2@anmic> References: <003c01c530a8$06378cf0$8bea6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <42434348.2000704@paradise.net.nz> anMic wrote: > What does the "NPO" mark in some capacitor items in AUI Forte component > list mean? > (http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/aui_forte.components.cz) > > What is the difference between normal ceramic and the "NPO" capacitors? > > Thanks, > anMic NP0 stands for something like Negative Positive Zero - it means the capacitor has a roughly zero temperature coefficient. N750 types have a negative 750 ppm (parts per million) temperature coefficient. regards Mark From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Mar 24 23:01:50 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Mar 24 23:05:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <000a01c530c5$76e16260$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Zapadlo" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx Zdravim ted jsem narazil jeste na jeden Rx, ktery se chova tak ze data zacnou prochazet az od RSSI cca 300mV coz se mi zda prilis moc. Testuji to na jednom konkretnim twisteru, s ostanimi prijimaci dosah cca 2m, data zacnou vypadavat pri RSSI cca 70mV. Pri adekvatni vzdalenosti kolem tech 2m ukazuje taky tech 70mV, ale data zacne prenaset az kdyt to priblizim na tech 300mV. Vstupni fet jsem cvicne vymenil ale tim to nebylo (ani jsem to necekal). Muze to delat nadrbly NE592, nebo se mam soustredit jen na vystupni limiter? Tam, ale neni celkem co pokazit a stejnosmerne se zda byt v poradku (hodnoty kondenzatoru vizualne zkontrolovane) Napada vas jest neco? Takova drobnost (ale u me se to tak chovalo). Zkus vymenit odpory ktere mas za jinej typ. Treba jestli mas ty metalicke zelene, tak je vymen za ty co jsou v GME oznacovany jako uhlikove. U me se o neco zmenilo RSSI, ale predevsim se mi zvedl dosah. -=RYS=- PS1: Nezapomen taky na to, aby si mel oba transistory parovane...stejne Beta zesileni. PS2: Kdyz jsem si meril ty zelene odpory z GME na LCR metru, tak jsem zjistil, ze je to nejen R, ale i L. Dik S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Mar 24 23:03:22 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Mar 24 23:06:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> Jeste jsem zapomel, nezapomen, ze ty keramiky musej byt typu J... pro VF. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Zapadlo" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx Zdravim ted jsem narazil jeste na jeden Rx, ktery se chova tak ze data zacnou prochazet az od RSSI cca 300mV coz se mi zda prilis moc. Testuji to na jednom konkretnim twisteru, s ostanimi prijimaci dosah cca 2m, data zacnou vypadavat pri RSSI cca 70mV. Pri adekvatni vzdalenosti kolem tech 2m ukazuje taky tech 70mV, ale data zacne prenaset az kdyt to priblizim na tech 300mV. Vstupni fet jsem cvicne vymenil ale tim to nebylo (ani jsem to necekal). Muze to delat nadrbly NE592, nebo se mam soustredit jen na vystupni limiter? Tam, ale neni celkem co pokazit a stejnosmerne se zda byt v poradku (hodnoty kondenzatoru vizualne zkontrolovane) Napada vas jest neco? Dik S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Fri Mar 25 23:36:38 2005 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Fri Mar 25 23:36:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... From anmic at fmg.sk Sat Mar 26 07:07:53 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sat Mar 26 07:09:14 2005 Subject: Fw: [Ronja] NPO capacitors (?) Message-ID: <000a01c531d2$8e3d6a90$62e96cc2@anmic> That means I can't use normal capacitors instead these NP0, don't I? anMic > > > What does the "NPO" mark in some capacitor items in AUI Forte component > > > list mean? > > > (http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/aui_forte.components.cz) > > > > > > What is the difference between normal ceramic and the "NPO" capacitors? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > anMic > > > > NP0 stands for something like Negative Positive Zero - it means the > > capacitor has a roughly zero temperature coefficient. N750 types have a > > negative 750 ppm (parts per million) temperature coefficient. > > > > regards > > Mark > > > From honza at hoidekr.net Sat Mar 26 14:09:05 2005 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Honza Hoidekr) Date: Sat Mar 26 14:08:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Presne to jsem se chtel take zeptat. Mam zprovoznen jeden spoj Ronja a sousede si stezuji na ruseni. Testoval jsem nasledovne: 1) odpojit Rojnu od napajeni - ruseni zmizelo 2) odpojit TP kabel z PC - ruseni zustalo 3) odpojit hlavice - ruseni zmizelo Je to pro me trochu zahada, protoze mam hlavice vyrobene presne podle navodu v kovovych rourach. Vedeni k rouram je v koaxu. Ruseni je videt na druhem TV kanalu (ostatni kanaly jsou OK). Jde o bile pruhy letajici pres obraz. Ruseni je videt na dvou antenach v okoli hlavic. Podle majitelu televizi je ruseni vice videt pokud je venku snih. Nepozorovali jste neco podobnyho? Jak by to slo odstinit? Diky za info Hojan > Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? > Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... > > A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From caffr at seznam.cz Sat Mar 26 15:59:31 2005 From: caffr at seznam.cz (cafr) Date: Sat Mar 26 15:59:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Message-ID: <424586E3.9000702@seznam.cz> S rusenim TV problem nemam, ale zato mne Ronja rusi radio. Pokud vytahnu twistra z el. zasuvky, tak ruseni prestane. Nezalezi na tom, jestli je twistr v sitovce nebo neni. Pokud se prenasi data, tak je to jeste horsi. Rusi to hlavne AZ Radio - 99 MHz. Koupil sem ferity na koaxy, coz vubec nepomohlo. Uz sem to sem psal driv, ale Clock se me snazil presvedcit, ze rusi PC a ne Ronja, coz neni pravda. Jeste dodam, ze to rusi nekdy min, nekdy vic - jak kdy a ze mam vedeny koaxy od Ronji a od anteny k radiu vedle sebe v jednom husim krku a na strese je antena od hlavic asi 2 metry. Bylo by fajn, kdyby se tento problem nejak vyresil. cafr Honza Hoidekr wrote: >Presne to jsem se chtel take zeptat. > >Mam zprovoznen jeden spoj Ronja a sousede si stezuji na ruseni. >Testoval jsem nasledovne: >1) odpojit Rojnu od napajeni - ruseni zmizelo >2) odpojit TP kabel z PC - ruseni zustalo >3) odpojit hlavice - ruseni zmizelo > >Je to pro me trochu zahada, protoze mam hlavice vyrobene presne podle >navodu v kovovych rourach. Vedeni k rouram je v koaxu. > >Ruseni je videt na druhem TV kanalu (ostatni kanaly jsou OK). Jde o bile >pruhy letajici pres obraz. >Ruseni je videt na dvou antenach v okoli hlavic. > >Podle majitelu televizi je ruseni vice videt pokud je venku snih. > >Nepozorovali jste neco podobnyho? >Jak by to slo odstinit? > >Diky za info >Hojan > > > > >>Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? >>Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... >> >>A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Mar 26 16:43:07 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Mar 26 16:43:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <424586E3.9000702@seznam.cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <424586E3.9000702@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1111855387.4245911b5574e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Jo, zari to z koaxu jako ramova antena. Problem je v tom ze je blbe zaklokavany stineni k RXu, tj. 12V napajeni. Nejvic pomuze smotat koaxy jako UTPcko, aby mezera mezi nima byla co nejmensi a netahat to spolecne se svodem od anten. Feritove krouzky je mozno taky pouzit ale musi se dat na oba konce a jednim krouzkem se musi protahnout oba koaxy najednou. Timto taky vyzivam Clocka aby odstranil ze zpecifikaci hlasku ze Ronja vyhovuje EMC. Petr Seliger > S rusenim TV problem nemam, ale zato mne Ronja rusi radio. Pokud vytahnu > twistra z el. zasuvky, tak ruseni prestane. Nezalezi na tom, jestli je > twistr v sitovce nebo neni. Pokud se prenasi data, tak je to jeste > horsi. Rusi to hlavne AZ Radio - 99 MHz. Koupil sem ferity na koaxy, coz > vubec nepomohlo. Uz sem to sem psal driv, ale Clock se me snazil > presvedcit, ze rusi PC a ne Ronja, coz neni pravda. > Jeste dodam, ze to rusi nekdy min, nekdy vic - jak kdy a ze mam vedeny > koaxy od Ronji a od anteny k radiu vedle sebe v jednom husim krku a na > strese je antena od hlavic asi 2 metry. > Bylo by fajn, kdyby se tento problem nejak vyresil. > > cafr > > Honza Hoidekr wrote: > > >Presne to jsem se chtel take zeptat. > > > >Mam zprovoznen jeden spoj Ronja a sousede si stezuji na ruseni. > >Testoval jsem nasledovne: > >1) odpojit Rojnu od napajeni - ruseni zmizelo > >2) odpojit TP kabel z PC - ruseni zustalo > >3) odpojit hlavice - ruseni zmizelo > > > >Je to pro me trochu zahada, protoze mam hlavice vyrobene presne podle > >navodu v kovovych rourach. Vedeni k rouram je v koaxu. > > > >Ruseni je videt na druhem TV kanalu (ostatni kanaly jsou OK). Jde o bile > >pruhy letajici pres obraz. > >Ruseni je videt na dvou antenach v okoli hlavic. > > > >Podle majitelu televizi je ruseni vice videt pokud je venku snih. > > > >Nepozorovali jste neco podobnyho? > >Jak by to slo odstinit? > > > >Diky za info > >Hojan > > > > > > > > > >>Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? > >>Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... > >> > >>A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From xpowersa at seznam.cz Sat Mar 26 16:48:04 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Sat Mar 26 16:48:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <1111855387.4245911b5574e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <424586E3.9000702@seznam.cz> <1111855387.4245911b5574e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42459244.50907@seznam.cz> mno tak to je zajimavy, ja pokud dam koaxy jen vedle sebe- slepim treba izolepou ze sou k sobe, tak mi ronja zanoha nikdy nejede... vzdycky to jen vysila, ale nic neprijme a jak dam koaxy tak volne od sebe tak to jede vpoho.. tohle mi delalo u 2 spoju.. Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): >Jo, zari to z koaxu jako ramova antena. Problem je v tom ze je blbe zaklokavany >stineni k RXu, tj. 12V napajeni. Nejvic pomuze smotat koaxy jako UTPcko, aby >mezera mezi nima byla co nejmensi a netahat to spolecne se svodem od anten. >Feritove krouzky je mozno taky pouzit ale musi se dat na oba konce a jednim >krouzkem se musi protahnout oba koaxy najednou. >Timto taky vyzivam Clocka aby odstranil ze zpecifikaci hlasku ze Ronja vyhovuje EMC. > >Petr Seliger > > > > >>S rusenim TV problem nemam, ale zato mne Ronja rusi radio. Pokud vytahnu >>twistra z el. zasuvky, tak ruseni prestane. Nezalezi na tom, jestli je >>twistr v sitovce nebo neni. Pokud se prenasi data, tak je to jeste >>horsi. Rusi to hlavne AZ Radio - 99 MHz. Koupil sem ferity na koaxy, coz >>vubec nepomohlo. Uz sem to sem psal driv, ale Clock se me snazil >>presvedcit, ze rusi PC a ne Ronja, coz neni pravda. >>Jeste dodam, ze to rusi nekdy min, nekdy vic - jak kdy a ze mam vedeny >>koaxy od Ronji a od anteny k radiu vedle sebe v jednom husim krku a na >>strese je antena od hlavic asi 2 metry. >>Bylo by fajn, kdyby se tento problem nejak vyresil. >> >>cafr >> >>Honza Hoidekr wrote: >> >> >> >>>Presne to jsem se chtel take zeptat. >>> >>>Mam zprovoznen jeden spoj Ronja a sousede si stezuji na ruseni. >>>Testoval jsem nasledovne: >>>1) odpojit Rojnu od napajeni - ruseni zmizelo >>>2) odpojit TP kabel z PC - ruseni zustalo >>>3) odpojit hlavice - ruseni zmizelo >>> >>>Je to pro me trochu zahada, protoze mam hlavice vyrobene presne podle >>>navodu v kovovych rourach. Vedeni k rouram je v koaxu. >>> >>>Ruseni je videt na druhem TV kanalu (ostatni kanaly jsou OK). Jde o bile >>>pruhy letajici pres obraz. >>>Ruseni je videt na dvou antenach v okoli hlavic. >>> >>>Podle majitelu televizi je ruseni vice videt pokud je venku snih. >>> >>>Nepozorovali jste neco podobnyho? >>>Jak by to slo odstinit? >>> >>>Diky za info >>>Hojan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? >>>>Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... >>>> >>>>A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Mar 26 17:23:56 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Mar 26 17:24:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz><033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Message-ID: <001f01c53228$9f296ce0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> To je blbe udelana televize a ne ronja .... At vyhodi polska sita a podobne sracky a udelaji to z poradnych veci. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honza Hoidekr" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ruseni TV > Presne to jsem se chtel take zeptat. > > Mam zprovoznen jeden spoj Ronja a sousede si stezuji na ruseni. > Testoval jsem nasledovne: > 1) odpojit Rojnu od napajeni - ruseni zmizelo > 2) odpojit TP kabel z PC - ruseni zustalo > 3) odpojit hlavice - ruseni zmizelo > > Je to pro me trochu zahada, protoze mam hlavice vyrobene presne podle > navodu v kovovych rourach. Vedeni k rouram je v koaxu. > > Ruseni je videt na druhem TV kanalu (ostatni kanaly jsou OK). Jde o bile > pruhy letajici pres obraz. > Ruseni je videt na dvou antenach v okoli hlavic. > > Podle majitelu televizi je ruseni vice videt pokud je venku snih. > > Nepozorovali jste neco podobnyho? > Jak by to slo odstinit? > > Diky za info > Hojan > > > > Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? > > Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... > > > > A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Mar 26 17:29:12 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Mar 26 17:29:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz><033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo><2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz><424586E3.9000702@seznam.cz> <1111855387.4245911b5574e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <002901c53229$53c69ba0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Jak vis, ze nevyhovuje? Ze nemas nahodou blbe radio ci tv? Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ruseni TV Timto taky vyzivam Clocka aby odstranil ze zpecifikaci hlasku ze Ronja vyhovuje EMC. Petr Seliger > S rusenim TV problem nemam, ale zato mne Ronja rusi radio. Pokud vytahnu > twistra z el. zasuvky, tak ruseni prestane. Nezalezi na tom, jestli je > twistr v sitovce nebo neni. Pokud se prenasi data, tak je to jeste > horsi. Rusi to hlavne AZ Radio - 99 MHz. Koupil sem ferity na koaxy, coz > vubec nepomohlo. Uz sem to sem psal driv, ale Clock se me snazil > presvedcit, ze rusi PC a ne Ronja, coz neni pravda. > Jeste dodam, ze to rusi nekdy min, nekdy vic - jak kdy a ze mam vedeny > koaxy od Ronji a od anteny k radiu vedle sebe v jednom husim krku a na > strese je antena od hlavic asi 2 metry. > Bylo by fajn, kdyby se tento problem nejak vyresil. > > cafr > > Honza Hoidekr wrote: > > >Presne to jsem se chtel take zeptat. > > > >Mam zprovoznen jeden spoj Ronja a sousede si stezuji na ruseni. > >Testoval jsem nasledovne: > >1) odpojit Rojnu od napajeni - ruseni zmizelo > >2) odpojit TP kabel z PC - ruseni zustalo > >3) odpojit hlavice - ruseni zmizelo > > > >Je to pro me trochu zahada, protoze mam hlavice vyrobene presne podle > >navodu v kovovych rourach. Vedeni k rouram je v koaxu. > > > >Ruseni je videt na druhem TV kanalu (ostatni kanaly jsou OK). Jde o bile > >pruhy letajici pres obraz. > >Ruseni je videt na dvou antenach v okoli hlavic. > > > >Podle majitelu televizi je ruseni vice videt pokud je venku snih. > > > >Nepozorovali jste neco podobnyho? > >Jak by to slo odstinit? > > > >Diky za info > >Hojan > > > > > > > > > >>Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? > >>Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... > >> > >>A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat Mar 26 17:39:18 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sat Mar 26 17:39:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <001f01c53228$9f296ce0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <001f01c53228$9f296ce0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20050326173918.GA15267@feanor> On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 06:23:56PM +0100, Cipis wrote: > To je blbe udelana televize a ne ronja .... > At vyhodi polska sita a podobne sracky a udelaji to z poradnych veci. No ronja nema zadny duvod neco elektromagnetickeho vyzarovat. Pokud neco rusi, tak je to dukaz toho, ze neco vyzaruje (bez ohledu na to, zda vyzaruje v mezich prislusnych norem nebo ne). Z meho laickeho pohledu me napadaji tak dve veci: 1) Tipuji, ze konektory ala Clock vyzaruji podstatne vic, nez standardni konektory urcene na koaxial. Nebo snad vzhledem k vlnove delce tak maly usek nestineni nevadi? 2) Pokud by se napajeni vedlo po strednim koliku koaxu (do rx a tx zvlast, odpadl by spojovaci kablik) a pouzila nejaka frekvencni odbocka (nebo jak se tomu rika), tak by to mohlo pomoci. Taky by mohlo pomoci vymenit koax (utlum stineni beznych koaxu se lisi podle typu od -60 dB do -85 dB). I kdyz pokud to zari nejak jinak a nekde jinde, tak by to asi nepomohlo. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050326/33331807/attachment.bin From anmic at fmg.sk Sat Mar 26 20:54:23 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sat Mar 26 20:54:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV Message-ID: <000d01c53246$037a66a0$38eb6cc2@anmic> > > Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? > > Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... > > > > A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... > > Pokud je konstrukce a vedeni dobre stinene, nemel by snad zadny problem s rusenim TV nastat, aspon si myslim. anMic From clock at twibright.com Fri Mar 25 11:55:01 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 26 22:02:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja jen 30-50cm In-Reply-To: <111953880.20050317171112@atlas.cz> References: <111953880.20050317171112@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <20050325115501.GC608@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 05:11:12PM +0100, Ale? P??hoda wrote: > Hledam non resize fotky.. ale mozna uz je nemam 1) Have you performed for both devices correctness check? 2) Have you soldered the MOSFET with static electricit precautions? It can be dead and the symptom may be as you describe - range only 30-50cm. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Mar 25 09:58:31 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 26 22:11:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <4241B820.3730.2721D4@localhost> References: <00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> <4241B820.3730.2721D4@localhost> Message-ID: <20050325095831.GB264@beton.cybernet.src> > > The admittance depends on how well they had luck to make the > > chip/series. So it depends on type and on a piece. > > > > However the noise is not so important as most noise comes during day > > from the ambient light (especially on sunny days). At night Ronja can > > have like 3 times greater range or so in clear air with a good piece > > of transistor. > > > > The users should not worry they have inferior piece. It won't have > > probably any effect on their range thanks to sun. > > > > Only nighttime operation in fog will be impaired by low-quality > > transistor. > > > > CL< > > > Jeste dodam ze u AUIcka (toho nejstarsiho, forte jsem nezkousel) jsou ty 4metry > normalni. Ono je o dost citlivejsi. RSSI od cca 20mV vejs. > U twistera to chodi na cca 220-300cm a RSSI od 50mV vyse. This may also depend on the NIC. And even in the same NIC, the AUI and TP paths may be according to my opinion implemented differently regarding to jitter tolerance. Jitter tolerance is not an issue on normal, well-built wire networks, but with Ronja it's important - it has influence on the maximum range. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Mar 25 10:04:39 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 26 22:11:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zvetsovani dosahu (ladeni prijimace) In-Reply-To: <9eb729bdfaaec9074515ff2fdc4da46a@www3.mail.volny.cz> References: <200503220620.28802.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <423FAE5E.9080800@katka.biz> <00b68b0cb7039b74ecade5cf28fe5889@www3.mail.volny.cz> <20050323110432.GA6215@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <9eb729bdfaaec9074515ff2fdc4da46a@www3.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050325100439.GA283@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 10:19:17PM +0100, boza2@volny.cz wrote: > HPWT-BD00-F4000 Where did you get it from? It seems to be pretty rare. Have you seen a reasonable proof it's really this type, for example an invoice with the type indicated, or label from the package? CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Mar 25 11:46:24 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 26 22:24:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Uzemneni kolektoru =?iso-8859-2?q?BD139_p=F8es?= chladici plosku. In-Reply-To: <000901c52df2$d9eed250$0501a8c0@ACER> References: <000901c52df2$d9eed250$0501a8c0@ACER> Message-ID: <20050325114624.GB545@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 09:49:10AM +0100, Marek Herda wrote: > Ahoj, > > Nemohu se momentalne prihlasit na Ronja maillist, proto Ti pisu touto What's the problem with subscribing to Ronja ML? CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Mar 25 11:45:48 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 26 22:24:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Uzemneni kolektoru =?iso-8859-2?q?BD139_p=F8es?= chladici plosku. In-Reply-To: <000901c52df2$d9eed250$0501a8c0@ACER> References: <000901c52df2$d9eed250$0501a8c0@ACER> Message-ID: <20050325114548.GA545@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 09:49:10AM +0100, Marek Herda wrote: > Ahoj, > > Nemohu se momentalne prihlasit na Ronja maillist, proto Ti pisu touto > cestou. P?i pokusu sestavit modul Ronja Nebulus podle Tveho navodu jsem > prisel na to, ze pokud prisroubujes BD139 na krabicku kvuli chlazeni, > uzemni se p?es chladici plosku kolektor a cele napajeci napeti se objevi > na R7 - kter? to samozrejme nepezije - snad prezil zbytek. Nejsem prilis > technicky zdatny, ale predpokladam, ze to nen? vada soucastky. Nebo se > mylim a koupil jsem spatne BD139? "Apply thermal coupling paste on both sides of the insulating pad and install BC139 with insulating pad from inner side of the case using M3x6 bolt, M3 (3.2mm) toothed spring washer and M3 nut." If you think it's ambiguous please tell me where the ambiguity lies how and I will fix it. CL< > > Dekuji za odpoved a preji hezky den. > > Djv > > Marek Herda > marek@herda.cz > From clock at twibright.com Fri Mar 25 10:09:19 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Mar 26 22:24:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050325100919.GB283@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:57:47PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > At 12:03 23.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >> At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > >> > >> >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the > >> >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as well > >but > >> >> >am not sure. > >> >> > > >> >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or what > >> >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you > >get the > >> >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems or > >too > >> >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by receiving > >> >> >multiple frames at a time. > >> >> > > >> >> >CL< > >> >> > >> >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I > >will > >> >> change the wire. > >> > > >> >Which cable? > >> > >> UTP cable in twister. > > > >No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try with a > >piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in Ronja > >or in rest of the system. > > > >CL< > > I did it at first. I used AUI cable + AUI<->UTP transceiver + UTP cable and > all worked good. This looks interesting. That should not probably happen unless Ronja design is buggy or your device is built wrong. Please don't delete the line with original description of problem. Please describe it again. If the problem was with full duplex, did you test the wire-only setup in full duplex too? Are there any deviations from Ronja guide? Can you provide photos of electronics insides of your Ronja and overall photo of your Ronja testing setup? CL< From cd930 at centrum.cz Sun Mar 27 03:28:16 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sun Mar 27 03:31:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz><033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Message-ID: <001b01c53274$a20419a0$0101a8c0@cz> Vzhledem k tomu, ze jsem mel Ronju u spektraku, tak ti nechci rikat co to delalo okolo 12.4MHz a dalsich harmonikach. To ruseni delalo i u me....mam s tim svoji zkusenost. Zkus udelat prvni pokus. Vsechny kabely co vedou od hlavic (udelej to testne u hlavic) dej k sobe (stahni je). Pak vem tycku ze stredovlneho radia (nebo toroid pro KV balun)...urcite nekde najdes ve starem stredovlnem prijmaci. A namotej 20-30 zavitu na teto tycce (slouzi jako interni antena pro radio). A stahni to samovulkanizujici paskou. Potom dole u swiche/routeru (porad mas kabely u sebe) vem ten svazek a namotej 15 zavitu na trnu cca 15cm (flaska od okurek). Kdyz to nepomuze, tak privodni drat jen pro napajeni namotej na dalsi feritovou tycku (asi 20 zavitu). A kdyz ani to nepomuze, tak musis pouzit dolni propust do 30MHz. Mozna by byla nejlepsi z CB (nesmi byt "tocena" na feritu, jen vzduchove civky ; takze nesmis pouzit ETH trafo, ktere by teoreticky slo taky pouzit). -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honza Hoidekr" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ruseni TV > Presne to jsem se chtel take zeptat. > > Mam zprovoznen jeden spoj Ronja a sousede si stezuji na ruseni. > Testoval jsem nasledovne: > 1) odpojit Rojnu od napajeni - ruseni zmizelo > 2) odpojit TP kabel z PC - ruseni zustalo > 3) odpojit hlavice - ruseni zmizelo > > Je to pro me trochu zahada, protoze mam hlavice vyrobene presne podle > navodu v kovovych rourach. Vedeni k rouram je v koaxu. > > Ruseni je videt na druhem TV kanalu (ostatni kanaly jsou OK). Jde o bile > pruhy letajici pres obraz. > Ruseni je videt na dvou antenach v okoli hlavic. > > Podle majitelu televizi je ruseni vice videt pokud je venku snih. > > Nepozorovali jste neco podobnyho? > Jak by to slo odstinit? > > Diky za info > Hojan > > > > Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? > > Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... > > > > A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 07:34:12 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 07:32:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Message-ID: <20050327063412.GA265@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 03:09:05PM +0100, Honza Hoidekr wrote: > Presne to jsem se chtel take zeptat. > > Mam zprovoznen jeden spoj Ronja a sousede si stezuji na ruseni. > Testoval jsem nasledovne: > 1) odpojit Rojnu od napajeni - ruseni zmizelo > 2) odpojit TP kabel z PC - ruseni zustalo > 3) odpojit hlavice - ruseni zmizelo > > Je to pro me trochu zahada, protoze mam hlavice vyrobene presne podle > navodu v kovovych rourach. Vedeni k rouram je v koaxu. > > Ruseni je videt na druhem TV kanalu (ostatni kanaly jsou OK). Jde o bile > pruhy letajici pres obraz. > Ruseni je videt na dvou antenach v okoli hlavic. > > Podle majitelu televizi je ruseni vice videt pokud je venku snih. > > Nepozorovali jste neco podobnyho? > Jak by to slo odstinit? Muzes poslat foto krabicky Tvyho twistera (otevreny a zavreny)? CL< > > Diky za info > Hojan > > > > Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? > > Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... > > > > A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 07:37:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 07:35:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20050327063742.GA283@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 12:36:38AM +0100, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? > Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... Ronja is meant to not interfere with anything. If it's generating interference, it is wrong and should be examined and fixed in the design. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 07:38:43 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 07:36:28 2005 Subject: Fw: [Ronja] NPO capacitors (?) In-Reply-To: <000a01c531d2$8e3d6a90$62e96cc2@anmic> References: <000a01c531d2$8e3d6a90$62e96cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050327063843.GB283@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 08:07:53AM +0100, anMic wrote: > That means I can't use normal capacitors instead these NP0, don't I? This is type of dielectric (the stuff that is between the plates of the capacitor, is not conductive and stores the energy). Is being used for it's high temperature stability etc. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 07:42:18 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 07:40:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <424586E3.9000702@seznam.cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <424586E3.9000702@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050327064218.GC283@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 04:59:31PM +0100, cafr wrote: > S rusenim TV problem nemam, ale zato mne Ronja rusi radio. Pokud vytahnu > twistra z el. zasuvky, tak ruseni prestane. Nezalezi na tom, jestli je > twistr v sitovce nebo neni. Pokud se prenasi data, tak je to jeste > horsi. Rusi to hlavne AZ Radio - 99 MHz. Koupil sem ferity na koaxy, coz > vubec nepomohlo. Uz sem to sem psal driv, ale Clock se me snazil > presvedcit, ze rusi PC a ne Ronja, coz neni pravda. > Jeste dodam, ze to rusi nekdy min, nekdy vic - jak kdy a ze mam vedeny > koaxy od Ronji a od anteny k radiu vedle sebe v jednom husim krku a na > strese je antena od hlavic asi 2 metry. > Bylo by fajn, kdyby se tento problem nejak vyresil. First is necessary to prove that Ronja is the source of interference and not the PC and then capacitors may be placed on various places and seen if that helps. Can you 1) cut the 12V line inside Twister just behind the power connector and solder a 100nF capacitor across this gap, 2) Set up the PC to transmit even if not receives (arp, route,...) and run a floodping into the network card with Ronja 3) Plug everything as if it was working (it won't - there's no juice) 4) Determine if the interference is still there and if it's getting better when the flood ping is stopped? Also please send photo of your Twister case (open and closed). CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 07:45:33 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 07:43:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <1111855387.4245911b5574e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <424586E3.9000702@seznam.cz> <1111855387.4245911b5574e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20050327064533.GA662@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 05:43:07PM +0100, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Jo, zari to z koaxu jako ramova antena. Problem je v tom ze je blbe zaklokavany > stineni k RXu, tj. 12V napajeni. Nejvic pomuze smotat koaxy jako UTPcko, aby You apparently think it's blocked wrong. Why do you think it? > mezera mezi nima byla co nejmensi a netahat to spolecne se svodem od anten. > Feritove krouzky je mozno taky pouzit ale musi se dat na oba konce a jednim > krouzkem se musi protahnout oba koaxy najednou. > Timto taky vyzivam Clocka aby odstranil ze zpecifikaci hlasku ze Ronja > vyhovuje EMC. No, I am going to solve the problem up to the point it stops interfering. When I was testing the interference, I placed a portable radio receiver over the coaxial (distance 1cm) and tuned through the bands and couldn't catch absolutely anything. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 07:46:09 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 07:43:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <42459244.50907@seznam.cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <424586E3.9000702@seznam.cz> <1111855387.4245911b5574e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42459244.50907@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050327064609.GB662@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 05:48:04PM +0100, Austin wrote: > mno tak to je zajimavy, ja pokud dam koaxy jen vedle sebe- slepim treba > izolepou ze sou k sobe, tak mi ronja zanoha nikdy nejede... vzdycky to > jen vysila, ale nic neprijme a jak dam koaxy tak volne od sebe tak to > jede vpoho.. tohle mi delalo u 2 spoju.. Can you send a photo of your Twister case (open and close)? CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 07:46:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 07:44:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <001f01c53228$9f296ce0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <001f01c53228$9f296ce0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20050327064642.GC662@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 06:23:56PM +0100, Cipis wrote: > To je blbe udelana televize a ne ronja .... > At vyhodi polska sita a podobne sracky a udelaji to z poradnych veci. This is not a problem of the antenna. Ronja shouldn't in the first line radiate any energy. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 07:49:20 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 07:47:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <20050326173918.GA15267@feanor> References: <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <001f01c53228$9f296ce0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20050326173918.GA15267@feanor> Message-ID: <20050327064920.GD662@beton.cybernet.src> > 1) Tipuji, ze konektory ala Clock vyzaruji podstatne vic, nez standardni > konektory urcene na koaxial. Nebo snad vzhledem k vlnove delce tak maly > usek nestineni nevadi? It should not matter. But this is a good idea to look for the source of the problem, too. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 07:50:53 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 07:48:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <000d01c53246$037a66a0$38eb6cc2@anmic> References: <000d01c53246$037a66a0$38eb6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050327065053.GE662@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 09:54:23PM +0100, anMic wrote: > > > Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? > > > Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... > > > > > > A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... > > > > > > Pokud je konstrukce a vedeni dobre stinene, nemel by snad zadny problem s > rusenim TV nastat, aspon si myslim. This is the original intention of the Ronja design: to shield everything so that it won't radiate. However the users seem to have a problem and it's necessary to verify it's bug of Ronja and then remove it. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 07:54:14 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 07:52:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <001b01c53274$a20419a0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <001b01c53274$a20419a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050327065414.GF662@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 04:28:16AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Vzhledem k tomu, ze jsem mel Ronju u spektraku, tak ti nechci rikat co to > delalo okolo 12.4MHz a dalsich harmonikach. If you didn't leave this information for yourself, the problem could have been solved earlier. What kind of Ronja did you have by the analyzer? AUI or Twister? Can you send a photo of your PC interface (closed and open case)? Where did you place the spectral analyzer? Did you couple it directly to Ronja cables or did you use an antenna? Did you find also other peaks than 12.4MHz? > A kdyz ani to nepomuze, tak musis pouzit dolni propust do 30MHz. > Mozna by byla nejlepsi z CB (nesmi byt "tocena" na feritu, jen vzduchove Why must not be on a ferrite? Due to losses in the ferrite? If yes, what adverse effects on the choke will errite losses have? CL< From cd930 at centrum.cz Sun Mar 27 09:35:03 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sun Mar 27 09:34:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV References: <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz><001b01c53274$a20419a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20050327065414.GF662@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002401c532a7$df250640$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ruseni TV > On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 04:28:16AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Vzhledem k tomu, ze jsem mel Ronju u spektraku, tak ti nechci rikat co to > > delalo okolo 12.4MHz a dalsich harmonikach. > > If you didn't leave this information for yourself, the problem could have been > solved earlier. This problem was before 1 year. At present i'm solve another problems. > > What kind of Ronja did you have by the analyzer? AUI or Twister? > Can you send a photo of your PC interface (closed and open case)? > Where did you place the spectral analyzer? Did you couple it directly to > Ronja cables or did you use an antenna? > Did you find also other peaks than 12.4MHz? Twister (connected to switch). Specral analyzer was by Icom (30Hz-30MHz), no PC interface. Spektrak byl na stole, jsem si meril DCF a byl porad zaplej. Pak jsem vytahl Ronja "krabicky" a zapojil to (testoval jsem LED) a protoze byl spektrak stale zaplej (50cm privodni hroty...BNC), tak se na obrazovce zacalo neco dit. Tak jsem experimentoval. Normalne jsem nechal zapojenej kus dratu (asi 40cm) do ziveho na spektraku. Takze to chytalo kde co, ale tak nejak kdyz jsem zapl Ronju (pouze TX/RX/Twister....otevrene viko krabicky), tak spicky byli na 1.6, 4.3 a 12.4MHz + harmoniky. Bylo to vse na stole cca 40cm od toho mericiho dratu. Samozrejme jak jsem stim hejbal po stole tak ten "vykon" lital, ale kmitocty ne (byli jine s jinym twistrem). Kdyz jsem krabky Ronji vzdaloval od stolu s merakem, tak asi ve vzdalenosti 3m to prestalo. Taky byla zajimava jina vec, ten 1.6MHz generoval TX (sonda rikala, ze je to na 74xx). Kdyz jsem TX dal trochu stranou, tak rusak z 1.6MHz zmizel. > > > A kdyz ani to nepomuze, tak musis pouzit dolni propust do 30MHz. > > Mozna by byla nejlepsi z CB (nesmi byt "tocena" na feritu, jen vzduchove > > Why must not be on a ferrite? Due to losses in the ferrite? If yes, what > adverse effects on the choke will errite losses have? Zprasis "nabehy hran". Martin -=RYS=- > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From caffr at seznam.cz Sun Mar 27 09:56:21 2005 From: caffr at seznam.cz (cafr) Date: Sun Mar 27 09:56:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo> <2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <424586E3.9000702@seznam.cz> <20050327064218.GC283@beton.cybernet.src>X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0512-2, 26.03.2005), Outbound message Message-ID: <42467535.1020806@seznam.cz> In-Reply-To: <20050327064218.GC283@beton.cybernet.src> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karel Kulhavy wrote: >First is necessary to prove that Ronja is the source of interference and >not the PC and then capacitors may be placed on various places and seen >if that helps. > >Can you >1) cut the 12V line inside Twister just behind the power connector and solder >a 100nF capacitor across this gap, >2) Set up the PC to transmit even if not receives (arp, route,...) and run >a floodping into the network card with Ronja >3) Plug everything as if it was working (it won't - there's no juice) >4) Determine if the interference is still there and if it's getting better >when the flood ping is stopped? > >Also please send photo of your Twister case (open and closed). > >CL< > > > Twistr je zavrenej v plechovy krabicce - fotky: http://images.twibright.com/tns/10bb.html http://img42.exs.cx/img42/8081/10020295ri.jpg http://images.twibright.com/tns/10bd.html http://images.twibright.com/tns/10cb.html Vse je podle navodu az na to, ze sem do krabicky pridal stabilizator na 12V, protoze sem zjistil ze zdroj, kterej ma napsany 12V, dava 19V. A tim padem sou tam 2 konektory - jeden na stabilizovany napeti a druhej na ten 19V zdroj. Zjistil sem ze taky zalezi, jak sou natoceny a nakrouceny ty koaxy z twistru - v nakejch polohach to rusi min a v nakejch vic. Rozdelavat twistra a neco tam letovat stejne tak instalovat linux se mne nechce :( cafr From kucik at net22.cz Sun Mar 27 11:45:40 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Sun Mar 27 11:46:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050325100919.GB283@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> At 10:09 25.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: >On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:57:47PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > > At 12:03 23.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > >> At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >> > > >> >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the > > >> >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as well > > >but > > >> >> >am not sure. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or what > > >> >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you > > >get the > > >> >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems or > > >too > > >> >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by receiving > > >> >> >multiple frames at a time. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >CL< > > >> >> > > >> >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I > > >will > > >> >> change the wire. > > >> > > > >> >Which cable? > > >> > > >> UTP cable in twister. > > > > > >No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try with a > > >piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in Ronja > > >or in rest of the system. > > > > > >CL< > > > > I did it at first. I used AUI cable + AUI<->UTP transceiver + UTP cable > and > > all worked good. > >This looks interesting. That should not probably happen unless Ronja design >is buggy or your device is built wrong. > >Please don't delete the line with original description of problem. Please >describe it again. > >If the problem was with full duplex, did you test the wire-only setup in full >duplex too? > >Are there any deviations from Ronja guide? > >Can you provide photos of electronics insides of your Ronja and overall photo >of your Ronja testing setup? > >CL< Problem isn't in FD setting. Just NIC can't work FD that's all. Today's night I disconnect switch (and disconnect all PCs connected via switch). And connect twister into the PC NIC. Packet over 1500 works with 0% packetloss. Problem is, twister can't works good, when it's connected to the switch. I think that problem can be only with small percent of switches. This switch is infosmart. Thank for your help Kucik From anmic at fmg.sk Sun Mar 27 11:51:34 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sun Mar 27 11:52:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Funguje pointless.net? References: <000901c52df2$d9eed250$0501a8c0@ACER> <20050325114624.GB545@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00e401c532bb$1c434150$3fea6cc2@anmic> Ja se taky nemuzu dostat na www.pointless.net. Ma nekdo podobny problem nebo je chyba v mem pripojeni? I can't open www.pointless.net, too. Does anyone have problem like this or is there a bug in my connection? anMic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Marek Herda" Cc: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: [Ronja] Re: Uzemneni kolektoru BD139 p?eschladici plosku. > On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 09:49:10AM +0100, Marek Herda wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > Nemohu se momentalne prihlasit na Ronja maillist, proto Ti pisu touto > > What's the problem with subscribing to Ronja ML? > > CL< > > > From anmic at fmg.sk Sun Mar 27 11:51:45 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sun Mar 27 11:52:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz><033101c53193$8210f4b0$d203a8c0@diablo><2401.195.47.22.42.1111846145.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz><424586E3.9000702@seznam.cz> <1111855387.4245911b5574e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <00e501c532bb$1e9c2570$3fea6cc2@anmic> Neslo by udelat upravu a po RX shieldu tahat taky GND misto +12V a napajeni privest po samostatnem vodici? Vadilo by to necemu? Myslim, ze by to melo vyresit ten problem s vyzarujicim koaxem, pokud je to tim. anMic ----- Original Message ----- Jo, zari to z koaxu jako ramova antena. Problem je v tom ze je blbe zaklokavany stineni k RXu, tj. 12V napajeni. Nejvic pomuze smotat koaxy jako UTPcko, aby mezera mezi nima byla co nejmensi a netahat to spolecne se svodem od anten. Feritove krouzky je mozno taky pouzit ale musi se dat na oba konce a jednim krouzkem se musi protahnout oba koaxy najednou. Timto taky vyzivam Clocka aby odstranil ze zpecifikaci hlasku ze Ronja vyhovuje EMC. Petr Seliger > S rusenim TV problem nemam, ale zato mne Ronja rusi radio. Pokud vytahnu > twistra z el. zasuvky, tak ruseni prestane. Nezalezi na tom, jestli je > twistr v sitovce nebo neni. Pokud se prenasi data, tak je to jeste > horsi. Rusi to hlavne AZ Radio - 99 MHz. Koupil sem ferity na koaxy, coz > vubec nepomohlo. Uz sem to sem psal driv, ale Clock se me snazil > presvedcit, ze rusi PC a ne Ronja, coz neni pravda. > Jeste dodam, ze to rusi nekdy min, nekdy vic - jak kdy a ze mam vedeny > koaxy od Ronji a od anteny k radiu vedle sebe v jednom husim krku a na > strese je antena od hlavic asi 2 metry. > Bylo by fajn, kdyby se tento problem nejak vyresil. > > cafr > > Honza Hoidekr wrote: > > >Presne to jsem se chtel take zeptat. > > > >Mam zprovoznen jeden spoj Ronja a sousede si stezuji na ruseni. > >Testoval jsem nasledovne: > >1) odpojit Rojnu od napajeni - ruseni zmizelo > >2) odpojit TP kabel z PC - ruseni zustalo > >3) odpojit hlavice - ruseni zmizelo > > > >Je to pro me trochu zahada, protoze mam hlavice vyrobene presne podle > >navodu v kovovych rourach. Vedeni k rouram je v koaxu. > > > >Ruseni je videt na druhem TV kanalu (ostatni kanaly jsou OK). Jde o bile > >pruhy letajici pres obraz. > >Ruseni je videt na dvou antenach v okoli hlavic. > > > >Podle majitelu televizi je ruseni vice videt pokud je venku snih. > > > >Nepozorovali jste neco podobnyho? > >Jak by to slo odstinit? > > > >Diky za info > >Hojan > > > > > > > > > >>Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? > >>Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... > >> > >>A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jojo at matfyz.cz Sun Mar 27 14:11:48 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sun Mar 27 14:11:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Funguje pointless.net? In-Reply-To: <00e401c532bb$1c434150$3fea6cc2@anmic> References: <000901c52df2$d9eed250$0501a8c0@ACER> <20050325114624.GB545@beton.cybernet.src> <00e401c532bb$1c434150$3fea6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050327131148.GA5351@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On 2005-03-27 12:51 +0200, anMic wrote: > I can't open www.pointless.net, too. Neither can I. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Mar 27 15:46:41 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Mar 27 15:45:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <00e501c532bb$1e9c2570$3fea6cc2@anmic> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <1111855387.4245911b5574e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <00e501c532bb$1e9c2570$3fea6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <200503271646.41693.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Sunday 27 March 2005 12:51, anMic wrote: > Neslo by udelat upravu a po RX shieldu tahat taky GND misto +12V a napajeni > privest po samostatnem vodici? Vadilo by to necemu? Myslim, ze by to melo > vyresit ten problem s vyzarujicim koaxem, pokud je to tim. Ja jsem presvedcen, jeste to ovsem nemam overeno v praxi, ze je mozne tahat cele napajeni po kazdem s koaxu, stineni zem a na jadre jak signal, tak kladny pol napajeni a na koncich signal vazan kapacitne a k napajeni pres indukcnost. Dela se to tak ve spouste jinych zarizeni, napr anteni zesilovace a pod, jediny rozdil, je, ze ronja pracuje na nizsich frekvencich, tudiz jsou vetsi naroky na filtraci tech kmitoctu z napajeni. Jen mit doprdele ten cas to cely realizovat a overit tak, jestli s tim nebude jeste nejaky problem. Navic by tim odpadla nutnost propojovat jeste roury mezi sebou. A kdyby se jeste podarilo vytapet cocky nejak zevnitr, pak by na kazdy roure mohl byt jen jeden jedinny vodotesny koaxialni konektor. Jakub > > anMic > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Jo, zari to z koaxu jako ramova antena. Problem je v tom ze je blbe > zaklokavany > stineni k RXu, tj. 12V napajeni. Nejvic pomuze smotat koaxy jako UTPcko, > aby mezera mezi nima byla co nejmensi a netahat to spolecne se svodem od > anten. Feritove krouzky je mozno taky pouzit ale musi se dat na oba konce a > jednim krouzkem se musi protahnout oba koaxy najednou. > Timto taky vyzivam Clocka aby odstranil ze zpecifikaci hlasku ze Ronja > vyhovuje EMC. > > Petr Seliger > > > S rusenim TV problem nemam, ale zato mne Ronja rusi radio. Pokud vytahnu > > twistra z el. zasuvky, tak ruseni prestane. Nezalezi na tom, jestli je > > twistr v sitovce nebo neni. Pokud se prenasi data, tak je to jeste > > horsi. Rusi to hlavne AZ Radio - 99 MHz. Koupil sem ferity na koaxy, coz > > vubec nepomohlo. Uz sem to sem psal driv, ale Clock se me snazil > > presvedcit, ze rusi PC a ne Ronja, coz neni pravda. > > Jeste dodam, ze to rusi nekdy min, nekdy vic - jak kdy a ze mam vedeny > > koaxy od Ronji a od anteny k radiu vedle sebe v jednom husim krku a na > > strese je antena od hlavic asi 2 metry. > > Bylo by fajn, kdyby se tento problem nejak vyresil. > > > > cafr > > > > Honza Hoidekr wrote: > > >Presne to jsem se chtel take zeptat. > > > > > >Mam zprovoznen jeden spoj Ronja a sousede si stezuji na ruseni. > > >Testoval jsem nasledovne: > > >1) odpojit Rojnu od napajeni - ruseni zmizelo > > >2) odpojit TP kabel z PC - ruseni zustalo > > >3) odpojit hlavice - ruseni zmizelo > > > > > >Je to pro me trochu zahada, protoze mam hlavice vyrobene presne podle > > >navodu v kovovych rourach. Vedeni k rouram je v koaxu. > > > > > >Ruseni je videt na druhem TV kanalu (ostatni kanaly jsou OK). Jde o bile > > >pruhy letajici pres obraz. > > >Ruseni je videt na dvou antenach v okoli hlavic. > > > > > >Podle majitelu televizi je ruseni vice videt pokud je venku snih. > > > > > >Nepozorovali jste neco podobnyho? > > >Jak by to slo odstinit? > > > > > >Diky za info > > >Hojan > > > > > >>Jak je to tedy presne s tim rusenim TV??? > > >>Neco jsem slysel, ale moc toho nevim... > > >> > > >>A ve FAQu o Ronje nic neni..... > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Ronja mailing list > > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 12:07:49 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 16:09:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <000a01c530c5$76e16260$0101a8c0@cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000a01c530c5$76e16260$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050327110749.GA1934@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 12:01:50AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Zapadlo" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:25 PM > Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx > > > Zdravim > > ted jsem narazil jeste na jeden Rx, ktery se chova tak ze data zacnou > prochazet az od RSSI cca 300mV coz se mi zda prilis moc. > > Testuji to na jednom konkretnim twisteru, s ostanimi prijimaci dosah cca 2m, > data zacnou vypadavat pri RSSI cca 70mV. > Pri adekvatni vzdalenosti kolem tech 2m ukazuje taky tech 70mV, ale data > zacne > prenaset az kdyt to priblizim na tech 300mV. > Vstupni fet jsem cvicne vymenil ale tim to nebylo (ani jsem to necekal). > Muze > to delat nadrbly NE592, nebo se mam soustredit jen na vystupni limiter? > > Tam, ale neni celkem co pokazit a stejnosmerne se zda byt v poradku (hodnoty > kondenzatoru vizualne zkontrolovane) > > Napada vas jest neco? Is it a PCB or a construction according to Ronja guide? Did you test with open or closed lid? Is NE592 DIL14 or DIL8? CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Mar 27 12:08:46 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Mar 27 16:09:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050327110846.GB1934@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 12:03:22AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Jeste jsem zapomel, nezapomen, ze ty keramiky musej byt typu J... pro VF. 1) Ronja is meant to work with any ceramic capacitors. If there is a place where it works only with some special type, this has to be fixed. 2) What is the "J" type ceramic capacitor? CL< From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Mar 28 00:45:57 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Mar 28 00:45:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz><5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz><5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz><5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz><5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz><5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <000e01c53327$1fa9f3e0$0101a8c0@cz> S timhle jsem se tez setkal. Nevim v cem presne je problem, ale resil jsem to se switchem co nema auto normal/cross kabel. V mem pripade jsem to vyresil s managmentovatelnym switchem s ne auto MDI/MDIx koliky. Podobnej problem resi Lada s Crusadrem. Ten nefuguje na NIC (switch/sitovka...) , ktery ma funkci auto normal/cross kabel. Schvalne si zkus nekde pujcit takovej starsi switch (treba i nemanagmentovatelnej). -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Kucko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B > At 10:09 25.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:57:47PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > > > At 12:03 23.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > >> At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the > > > >> >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as well > > > >but > > > >> >> >am not sure. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or what > > > >> >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you > > > >get the > > > >> >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems or > > > >too > > > >> >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by receiving > > > >> >> >multiple frames at a time. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >CL< > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I > > > >will > > > >> >> change the wire. > > > >> > > > > >> >Which cable? > > > >> > > > >> UTP cable in twister. > > > > > > > >No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try with a > > > >piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in Ronja > > > >or in rest of the system. > > > > > > > >CL< > > > > > > I did it at first. I used AUI cable + AUI<->UTP transceiver + UTP cable > > and > > > all worked good. > > > >This looks interesting. That should not probably happen unless Ronja design > >is buggy or your device is built wrong. > > > >Please don't delete the line with original description of problem. Please > >describe it again. > > > >If the problem was with full duplex, did you test the wire-only setup in full > >duplex too? > > > >Are there any deviations from Ronja guide? > > > >Can you provide photos of electronics insides of your Ronja and overall photo > >of your Ronja testing setup? > > > >CL< > > > Problem isn't in FD setting. Just NIC can't work FD that's all. Today's > night I disconnect switch (and disconnect all PCs connected via switch). > And connect twister into the PC NIC. Packet over 1500 works with 0% > packetloss. Problem is, twister can't works good, when it's connected to > the switch. I think that problem can be only with small percent of > switches. This switch is infosmart. > > Thank for your help > Kucik > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Mar 28 01:17:27 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Mar 28 01:17:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <20050327110846.GB1934@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001f01c5332b$8658bd20$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] divny Rx > On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 12:03:22AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Jeste jsem zapomel, nezapomen, ze ty keramiky musej byt typu J... pro VF. > > 1) Ronja is meant to work with any ceramic capacitors. If there is a place > where it works only with some special type, this has to be fixed. Karle ne ze by ne, ale kdyz by ses zeptal kazdeho mirne starsiho radioamatera (ten co pamatuje bolsevika a byl nucen si svoji vysilacku postavit....treba jako ja KV verzi Fantom89 ... by Milan OK1FM ..spolumajitel GESu) na keramicke kondiky ve VF konstrukcich, tak ti rekne schanej keramiky J (bud to pismenko je primo napsane nebo to ma tusim cervenou znacku). Ty barvy ted z hlavy nevim, asi se podivam do stareho "Danese". > 2) What is the "J" type ceramic capacitor? Je to takovej nejvhodnejsi pro VF (a Ronja je VF) konstrukce. Proste ve tve Ronje se nechova jako "varikap" :)) . Jinak ty pismena jsou (u keramik C) informace o kapacitni toleranci : C = +- 0.25pF D = +- 0.5pF J = +- 5% K = +- 10% M = +- 20% S = -20% .... +50% C a D normalne nesezenes. Cislo za pismenem znaci pro jake je kondik napeti: 1 = 100V 5 = 50V / 500V 16 = 16V Na kazdej pad bych na C151 (RX) dal z GME CKS47P/50 z hmoty NPO. Pri mojich pokusech jsem zjistil, ze vubec nejlepsi jsou SMD keramiky. -=RYS=- > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Mar 28 12:54:27 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Mar 28 12:54:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <001f01c5332b$8658bd20$0101a8c0@cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz> <20050327110846.GB1934@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c5332b$8658bd20$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <1112010867.4247f07308ae7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Akorat na nejhlavnejsi vec jsi zapomel. V RX kondik blokujici G2 MOSFETu proti zemi MUSI mit co nejkratsi nozicky a musi byt dobre pripajen. Pokud ma nozicky delsi nez cca 2mm nebo je ke krabicce cinem jen "prilepen" je zadelano na pruser. Petr > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 12:03:22AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Jeste jsem zapomel, nezapomen, ze ty keramiky musej byt typu J... pro > VF. > > > > 1) Ronja is meant to work with any ceramic capacitors. If there is a > place > > where it works only with some special type, this has to be fixed. > > Karle ne ze by ne, ale kdyz by ses zeptal kazdeho mirne starsiho > radioamatera (ten co pamatuje bolsevika a byl nucen > si svoji vysilacku postavit....treba jako ja KV verzi Fantom89 ... by > Milan > OK1FM ..spolumajitel GESu) na keramicke > kondiky ve VF konstrukcich, tak ti rekne schanej keramiky J (bud to > pismenko > je primo napsane nebo to ma tusim cervenou znacku). > Ty barvy ted z hlavy nevim, asi se podivam do stareho "Danese". > > > > > 2) What is the "J" type ceramic capacitor? > > Je to takovej nejvhodnejsi pro VF (a Ronja je VF) konstrukce. > Proste ve tve Ronje se nechova jako "varikap" :)) . > > Jinak ty pismena jsou (u keramik C) informace o kapacitni toleranci : > > C = +- 0.25pF > D = +- 0.5pF > J = +- 5% > K = +- 10% > M = +- 20% > S = -20% .... +50% > > C a D normalne nesezenes. > > > Cislo za pismenem znaci pro jake je kondik napeti: > 1 = 100V > 5 = 50V / 500V > 16 = 16V > > Na kazdej pad bych na C151 (RX) dal z GME CKS47P/50 z hmoty NPO. > > Pri mojich pokusech jsem zjistil, ze vubec nejlepsi jsou SMD keramiky. > > -=RYS=- > > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Mar 28 13:21:14 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Mar 28 13:21:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz><20050327110846.GB1934@beton.cybernet.src><001f01c5332b$8658bd20$0101a8c0@cz> <1112010867.4247f07308ae7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <002001c53390$a3cf34a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Ehm, SMD kondenz?tor m? nozicky? :-) Ale pozor u tech SMD keramik, s teplotou to dost l?t?, teda ty norm?ln? typy Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] divny Rx Akorat na nejhlavnejsi vec jsi zapomel. V RX kondik blokujici G2 MOSFETu proti zemi MUSI mit co nejkratsi nozicky a musi byt dobre pripajen. Pokud ma nozicky delsi nez cca 2mm nebo je ke krabicce cinem jen "prilepen" je zadelano na pruser. Petr > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 12:03:22AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Jeste jsem zapomel, nezapomen, ze ty keramiky musej byt typu J... pro > VF. > > > > 1) Ronja is meant to work with any ceramic capacitors. If there is a > place > > where it works only with some special type, this has to be fixed. > > Karle ne ze by ne, ale kdyz by ses zeptal kazdeho mirne starsiho > radioamatera (ten co pamatuje bolsevika a byl nucen > si svoji vysilacku postavit....treba jako ja KV verzi Fantom89 ... by > Milan > OK1FM ..spolumajitel GESu) na keramicke > kondiky ve VF konstrukcich, tak ti rekne schanej keramiky J (bud to > pismenko > je primo napsane nebo to ma tusim cervenou znacku). > Ty barvy ted z hlavy nevim, asi se podivam do stareho "Danese". > > > > > 2) What is the "J" type ceramic capacitor? > > Je to takovej nejvhodnejsi pro VF (a Ronja je VF) konstrukce. > Proste ve tve Ronje se nechova jako "varikap" :)) . > > Jinak ty pismena jsou (u keramik C) informace o kapacitni toleranci : > > C = +- 0.25pF > D = +- 0.5pF > J = +- 5% > K = +- 10% > M = +- 20% > S = -20% .... +50% > > C a D normalne nesezenes. > > > Cislo za pismenem znaci pro jake je kondik napeti: > 1 = 100V > 5 = 50V / 500V > 16 = 16V > > Na kazdej pad bych na C151 (RX) dal z GME CKS47P/50 z hmoty NPO. > > Pri mojich pokusech jsem zjistil, ze vubec nejlepsi jsou SMD keramiky. > > -=RYS=- > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Mar 28 18:17:42 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Mar 28 18:17:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <002001c53390$a3cf34a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz><20050327110846.GB1934@beton.cybernet.src><001f01c5332b$8658bd20$0101a8c0@cz> <1112010867.4247f07308ae7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <002001c53390$a3cf34a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <1112030262.42483c360bda5@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Bohuzel na tom s.... tiskaku od Skontorpa ma i SMD kondik zatracene dlouhou nozicku... > Ehm, SMD kondenz?tor m? nozicky? :-) > > Ale pozor u tech SMD keramik, s teplotou to dost l?t?, teda ty norm?ln? > typy > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] divny Rx > > > Akorat na nejhlavnejsi vec jsi zapomel. > V RX kondik blokujici G2 MOSFETu proti zemi MUSI mit co nejkratsi nozicky a > musi > byt dobre pripajen. Pokud ma nozicky delsi nez cca 2mm nebo je ke krabicce > cinem > jen "prilepen" je zadelano na pruser. > > Petr > > > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 12:03:22AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > Jeste jsem zapomel, nezapomen, ze ty keramiky musej byt typu J... pro > > VF. > > > > > > 1) Ronja is meant to work with any ceramic capacitors. If there is a > > place > > > where it works only with some special type, this has to be fixed. > > > > Karle ne ze by ne, ale kdyz by ses zeptal kazdeho mirne starsiho > > radioamatera (ten co pamatuje bolsevika a byl nucen > > si svoji vysilacku postavit....treba jako ja KV verzi Fantom89 ... by > > Milan > > OK1FM ..spolumajitel GESu) na keramicke > > kondiky ve VF konstrukcich, tak ti rekne schanej keramiky J (bud to > > pismenko > > je primo napsane nebo to ma tusim cervenou znacku). > > Ty barvy ted z hlavy nevim, asi se podivam do stareho "Danese". > > > > > > > > > 2) What is the "J" type ceramic capacitor? > > > > Je to takovej nejvhodnejsi pro VF (a Ronja je VF) konstrukce. > > Proste ve tve Ronje se nechova jako "varikap" :)) . > > > > Jinak ty pismena jsou (u keramik C) informace o kapacitni toleranci : > > > > C = +- 0.25pF > > D = +- 0.5pF > > J = +- 5% > > K = +- 10% > > M = +- 20% > > S = -20% .... +50% > > > > C a D normalne nesezenes. > > > > > > Cislo za pismenem znaci pro jake je kondik napeti: > > 1 = 100V > > 5 = 50V / 500V > > 16 = 16V > > > > Na kazdej pad bych na C151 (RX) dal z GME CKS47P/50 z hmoty NPO. > > > > Pri mojich pokusech jsem zjistil, ze vubec nejlepsi jsou SMD keramiky. > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Mar 28 22:47:35 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Mar 28 22:47:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz><20050327110846.GB1934@beton.cybernet.src><001f01c5332b$8658bd20$0101a8c0@cz> <1112010867.4247f07308ae7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <001001c533df$c1085700$0101a8c0@cz> SOUHLAS Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] divny Rx Akorat na nejhlavnejsi vec jsi zapomel. V RX kondik blokujici G2 MOSFETu proti zemi MUSI mit co nejkratsi nozicky a musi byt dobre pripajen. Pokud ma nozicky delsi nez cca 2mm nebo je ke krabicce cinem jen "prilepen" je zadelano na pruser. Petr > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 12:03:22AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Jeste jsem zapomel, nezapomen, ze ty keramiky musej byt typu J... pro > VF. > > > > 1) Ronja is meant to work with any ceramic capacitors. If there is a > place > > where it works only with some special type, this has to be fixed. > > Karle ne ze by ne, ale kdyz by ses zeptal kazdeho mirne starsiho > radioamatera (ten co pamatuje bolsevika a byl nucen > si svoji vysilacku postavit....treba jako ja KV verzi Fantom89 ... by > Milan > OK1FM ..spolumajitel GESu) na keramicke > kondiky ve VF konstrukcich, tak ti rekne schanej keramiky J (bud to > pismenko > je primo napsane nebo to ma tusim cervenou znacku). > Ty barvy ted z hlavy nevim, asi se podivam do stareho "Danese". > > > > > 2) What is the "J" type ceramic capacitor? > > Je to takovej nejvhodnejsi pro VF (a Ronja je VF) konstrukce. > Proste ve tve Ronje se nechova jako "varikap" :)) . > > Jinak ty pismena jsou (u keramik C) informace o kapacitni toleranci : > > C = +- 0.25pF > D = +- 0.5pF > J = +- 5% > K = +- 10% > M = +- 20% > S = -20% .... +50% > > C a D normalne nesezenes. > > > Cislo za pismenem znaci pro jake je kondik napeti: > 1 = 100V > 5 = 50V / 500V > 16 = 16V > > Na kazdej pad bych na C151 (RX) dal z GME CKS47P/50 z hmoty NPO. > > Pri mojich pokusech jsem zjistil, ze vubec nejlepsi jsou SMD keramiky. > > -=RYS=- > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Mar 28 22:50:23 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Mar 28 22:50:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz><20050327110846.GB1934@beton.cybernet.src><001f01c5332b$8658bd20$0101a8c0@cz><1112010867.4247f07308ae7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><002001c53390$a3cf34a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <1112030262.42483c360bda5@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <001901c533e0$250b0fe0$0101a8c0@cz> No ja jsem to prekopaval na velikost 0805. Cim mensi tim mene parazitnich kapacit okolo. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] divny Rx Bohuzel na tom s.... tiskaku od Skontorpa ma i SMD kondik zatracene dlouhou nozicku... > Ehm, SMD kondenz?tor m? nozicky? :-) > > Ale pozor u tech SMD keramik, s teplotou to dost l?t?, teda ty norm?ln? > typy > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] divny Rx > > > Akorat na nejhlavnejsi vec jsi zapomel. > V RX kondik blokujici G2 MOSFETu proti zemi MUSI mit co nejkratsi nozicky a > musi > byt dobre pripajen. Pokud ma nozicky delsi nez cca 2mm nebo je ke krabicce > cinem > jen "prilepen" je zadelano na pruser. > > Petr > > > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 12:03:22AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > Jeste jsem zapomel, nezapomen, ze ty keramiky musej byt typu J... pro > > VF. > > > > > > 1) Ronja is meant to work with any ceramic capacitors. If there is a > > place > > > where it works only with some special type, this has to be fixed. > > > > Karle ne ze by ne, ale kdyz by ses zeptal kazdeho mirne starsiho > > radioamatera (ten co pamatuje bolsevika a byl nucen > > si svoji vysilacku postavit....treba jako ja KV verzi Fantom89 ... by > > Milan > > OK1FM ..spolumajitel GESu) na keramicke > > kondiky ve VF konstrukcich, tak ti rekne schanej keramiky J (bud to > > pismenko > > je primo napsane nebo to ma tusim cervenou znacku). > > Ty barvy ted z hlavy nevim, asi se podivam do stareho "Danese". > > > > > > > > > 2) What is the "J" type ceramic capacitor? > > > > Je to takovej nejvhodnejsi pro VF (a Ronja je VF) konstrukce. > > Proste ve tve Ronje se nechova jako "varikap" :)) . > > > > Jinak ty pismena jsou (u keramik C) informace o kapacitni toleranci : > > > > C = +- 0.25pF > > D = +- 0.5pF > > J = +- 5% > > K = +- 10% > > M = +- 20% > > S = -20% .... +50% > > > > C a D normalne nesezenes. > > > > > > Cislo za pismenem znaci pro jake je kondik napeti: > > 1 = 100V > > 5 = 50V / 500V > > 16 = 16V > > > > Na kazdej pad bych na C151 (RX) dal z GME CKS47P/50 z hmoty NPO. > > > > Pri mojich pokusech jsem zjistil, ze vubec nejlepsi jsou SMD keramiky. > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Mon Mar 28 23:48:08 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Mon Mar 28 23:48:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <000e01c53327$1fa9f3e0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050329004025.023b5c30@mail.net22.cz> Tenhle switch umi sam crossnout kabel a s twisterem i docela uspesne. Jen ty velky packety to neumi... Jakej switch myslis ze bych mel zkusit? btw: Ten drzak, ke kterymu ses mi vyjadroval na czfree foru, je uz delsi dobu na strese na cca 600m a zatim v poho. Tak jsem zvedavej, jak to bude za rok;-) At 01:45 28.3.2005 +0200, you wrote: >S timhle jsem se tez setkal. Nevim v cem presne je problem, ale resil jsem >to se switchem co nema auto normal/cross kabel. >V mem pripade jsem to vyresil s managmentovatelnym switchem s ne auto >MDI/MDIx koliky. >Podobnej problem resi Lada s Crusadrem. Ten nefuguje na NIC >(switch/sitovka...) , ktery ma funkci auto normal/cross kabel. >Schvalne si zkus nekde pujcit takovej starsi switch (treba i >nemanagmentovatelnej). > >-=RYS=- > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Martin Kucko" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:45 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B > > > > At 10:09 25.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:57:47PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > > > > At 12:03 23.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >> At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of >the > > > > >> >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as >well > > > > >but > > > > >> >> >am not sure. > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or >what > > > > >> >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If >you > > > > >get the > > > > >> >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating >systems or > > > > >too > > > > >> >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by >receiving > > > > >> >> >multiple frames at a time. > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> >CL< > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. >I > > > > >will > > > > >> >> change the wire. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Which cable? > > > > >> > > > > >> UTP cable in twister. > > > > > > > > > >No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try with >a > > > > >piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in >Ronja > > > > >or in rest of the system. > > > > > > > > > >CL< > > > > > > > > I did it at first. I used AUI cable + AUI<->UTP transceiver + UTP >cable > > > and > > > > all worked good. > > > > > >This looks interesting. That should not probably happen unless Ronja >design > > >is buggy or your device is built wrong. > > > > > >Please don't delete the line with original description of problem. Please > > >describe it again. > > > > > >If the problem was with full duplex, did you test the wire-only setup in >full > > >duplex too? > > > > > >Are there any deviations from Ronja guide? > > > > > >Can you provide photos of electronics insides of your Ronja and overall >photo > > >of your Ronja testing setup? > > > > > >CL< > > > > > > Problem isn't in FD setting. Just NIC can't work FD that's all. Today's > > night I disconnect switch (and disconnect all PCs connected via switch). > > And connect twister into the PC NIC. Packet over 1500 works with 0% > > packetloss. Problem is, twister can't works good, when it's connected to > > the switch. I think that problem can be only with small percent of > > switches. This switch is infosmart. > > > > Thank for your help > > Kucik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Mar 29 02:15:40 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Mar 29 02:15:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz><5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz><5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz><5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz><5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz><5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz><5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050329004025.023b5c30@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <000601c533fc$d2722bc0$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Kucko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B > Tenhle switch umi sam crossnout kabel a s twisterem i docela uspesne. Jen > ty velky packety to neumi... > Jakej switch myslis ze bych mel zkusit? Uplne obyc co nema auto-cross (starsi atd..) S tim jsem mel nejvice problemu. Ja treba mam KTI switch KS-117FM: http://www.ktinet.com/products.asp?productID=20 Ktery ma taky auto-cross, ale kdyz mu v menu vypnes autonegationa das rucne 10Mbps FD, tak se vypne funkce autocross (auto-MDI/MDI-X detection). Zajimave, ze po prepnuti na 100Mbps se auto-cross zapne. Skrz tohle mi to behalo narame dobre. Treba pres ten muj hack ( http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230 ) jsem nechal bezet ping o velikost 1470b uplne bez problemu. Ping probehl z Linuxu do W98se (RH62/P1 <> KTI115 <> KTI 117 <> W98SE/P3) : 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=1.62 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=1.52 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=3 ttl=128 time=1.57 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=4 ttl=128 time=1.57 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=5 ttl=128 time=1.53 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=6 ttl=128 time=1.57 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=7 ttl=128 time=1.57 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=8 ttl=128 time=1.57 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=9 ttl=128 time=1.54 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=10 ttl=128 time=1.56 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=11 ttl=128 time=1.53 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=12 ttl=128 time=1.56 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=13 ttl=128 time=1.54 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=14 ttl=128 time=1.54 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=15 ttl=128 time=1.53 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=16 ttl=128 time=1.54 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=17 ttl=128 time=1.53 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=18 ttl=128 time=1.54 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=19 ttl=128 time=1.58 ms 1478 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=20 ttl=128 time=1.58 ms --- 192.168.1.3 ping statistics --- 20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% loss, time 19183ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.526/1.558/1.623/0.054 ms (TX na tistaku, RX cast tistak a cast ve vzduchu, TP dle meho vzoru na: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja Jinak mam v zamyslu si poridit od i4 na testovacku switch: http://www.i4shop.net/cz/iObchod/WebInfo.asp?idprod=TL-SF2109P Pres seriovku se nastavi danej port na 10MBps/FD a vypne se Flow Control (tim se vypne autocross). Navic tenhle switch umi automatickou zalohu na Wifi v pripade mlhy. > > btw: Ten drzak, ke kterymu ses mi vyjadroval na czfree foru, je uz delsi > dobu na strese na cca 600m a zatim v poho. Tak jsem zvedavej, jak to bude > za rok;-) Se pozna az v lete....parno/horko s tim pak stejne hne. Zatim..... -=RYS=- > > At 01:45 28.3.2005 +0200, you wrote: > >S timhle jsem se tez setkal. Nevim v cem presne je problem, ale resil jsem > >to se switchem co nema auto normal/cross kabel. > >V mem pripade jsem to vyresil s managmentovatelnym switchem s ne auto > >MDI/MDIx koliky. > >Podobnej problem resi Lada s Crusadrem. Ten nefuguje na NIC > >(switch/sitovka...) , ktery ma funkci auto normal/cross kabel. > >Schvalne si zkus nekde pujcit takovej starsi switch (treba i > >nemanagmentovatelnej). > > > >-=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Martin Kucko" > >To: "Twibright Ronja" > >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:45 PM > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B > > > > > > > At 10:09 25.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > >On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:57:47PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > > > > > At 12:03 23.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of > >the > > > > > >> >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as > >well > > > > > >but > > > > > >> >> >am not sure. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or > >what > > > > > >> >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If > >you > > > > > >get the > > > > > >> >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating > >systems or > > > > > >too > > > > > >> >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by > >receiving > > > > > >> >> >multiple frames at a time. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >CL< > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. > >I > > > > > >will > > > > > >> >> change the wire. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >Which cable? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> UTP cable in twister. > > > > > > > > > > > >No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try with > >a > > > > > >piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in > >Ronja > > > > > >or in rest of the system. > > > > > > > > > > > >CL< > > > > > > > > > > I did it at first. I used AUI cable + AUI<->UTP transceiver + UTP > >cable > > > > and > > > > > all worked good. > > > > > > > >This looks interesting. That should not probably happen unless Ronja > >design > > > >is buggy or your device is built wrong. > > > > > > > >Please don't delete the line with original description of problem. Please > > > >describe it again. > > > > > > > >If the problem was with full duplex, did you test the wire-only setup in > >full > > > >duplex too? > > > > > > > >Are there any deviations from Ronja guide? > > > > > > > >Can you provide photos of electronics insides of your Ronja and overall > >photo > > > >of your Ronja testing setup? > > > > > > > >CL< > > > > > > > > > Problem isn't in FD setting. Just NIC can't work FD that's all. Today's > > > night I disconnect switch (and disconnect all PCs connected via switch). > > > And connect twister into the PC NIC. Packet over 1500 works with 0% > > > packetloss. Problem is, twister can't works good, when it's connected to > > > the switch. I think that problem can be only with small percent of > > > switches. This switch is infosmart. > > > > > > Thank for your help > > > Kucik > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Mar 29 06:21:53 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Mar 29 06:19:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20050329052153.GA979@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 02:25:00PM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Zdravim > > ted jsem narazil jeste na jeden Rx, ktery se chova tak ze data zacnou > prochazet az od RSSI cca 300mV coz se mi zda prilis moc. > > Testuji to na jednom konkretnim twisteru, s ostanimi prijimaci dosah cca 2m, > data zacnou vypadavat pri RSSI cca 70mV. > Pri adekvatni vzdalenosti kolem tech 2m ukazuje taky tech 70mV, ale data zacne > prenaset az kdyt to priblizim na tech 300mV. > Vstupni fet jsem cvicne vymenil ale tim to nebylo (ani jsem to necekal). Muze > to delat nadrbly NE592, nebo se mam soustredit jen na vystupni limiter? > > Tam, ale neni celkem co pokazit a stejnosmerne se zda byt v poradku (hodnoty > kondenzatoru vizualne zkontrolovane) Try to check all capacitors with multimeter if they are not shorted. In worst case start replacing component by component and tell at which it started to work. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Mar 29 06:23:00 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Mar 29 06:20:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <000a01c530c5$76e16260$0101a8c0@cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000a01c530c5$76e16260$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050329052300.GB979@beton.cybernet.src> > -=RYS=- > > PS1: Nezapomen taky na to, aby si mel oba transistory parovane...stejne Beta > zesileni. > PS2: Kdyz jsem si meril ty zelene odpory z GME na LCR metru, tak jsem > zjistil, ze je to nejen R, ale i L. What calues did you measure? CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Mar 29 06:23:25 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Mar 29 06:21:07 2005 Subject: Fw: [Ronja] NPO capacitors (?) In-Reply-To: <000a01c531d2$8e3d6a90$62e96cc2@anmic> References: <000a01c531d2$8e3d6a90$62e96cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050329052325.GC979@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 08:07:53AM +0100, anMic wrote: > That means I can't use normal capacitors instead these NP0, don't I? Yes. You have to use NPO there. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Mar 29 06:25:51 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Mar 29 06:23:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <002401c532a7$df250640$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20050327065414.GF662@beton.cybernet.src> <002401c532a7$df250640$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050329052551.GD979@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 10:35:03AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] ruseni TV > > > > On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 04:28:16AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Vzhledem k tomu, ze jsem mel Ronju u spektraku, tak ti nechci rikat co > to > > > delalo okolo 12.4MHz a dalsich harmonikach. > > > > If you didn't leave this information for yourself, the problem could have > been > > solved earlier. > > This problem was before 1 year. At present i'm solve another problems. > > > > > What kind of Ronja did you have by the analyzer? AUI or Twister? > > Can you send a photo of your PC interface (closed and open case)? > > Where did you place the spectral analyzer? Did you couple it directly to > > Ronja cables or did you use an antenna? > > Did you find also other peaks than 12.4MHz? > > Twister (connected to switch). Specral analyzer was by Icom (30Hz-30MHz), > no PC interface. Was the Twister in a box according to Ronja guide when this was happening? CL< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Tue Mar 29 06:56:05 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Tue Mar 29 06:56:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <20050327110749.GA1934@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000a01c530c5$76e16260$0101a8c0@cz> <20050327110749.GA1934@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200503290756.05908.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > > > ted jsem narazil jeste na jeden Rx, ktery se chova tak ze data zacnou > > prochazet az od RSSI cca 300mV coz se mi zda prilis moc. > > > > Testuji to na jednom konkretnim twisteru, s ostanimi prijimaci dosah cca > > 2m, data zacnou vypadavat pri RSSI cca 70mV. > > Pri adekvatni vzdalenosti kolem tech 2m ukazuje taky tech 70mV, ale data > > zacne > > prenaset az kdyt to priblizim na tech 300mV. > > Vstupni fet jsem cvicne vymenil ale tim to nebylo (ani jsem to necekal). > > Muze > > to delat nadrbly NE592, nebo se mam soustredit jen na vystupni limiter? > > > > Tam, ale neni celkem co pokazit a stejnosmerne se zda byt v poradku > > (hodnoty kondenzatoru vizualne zkontrolovane) > > > > Napada vas jest neco? > > Is it a PCB or a construction according to Ronja guide? > Did you test with open or closed lid? > Is NE592 DIL14 or DIL8? Dik za odpoved. Nicmene, stavel jsem 6 prijimacu z jedne sady soucastek, konstrukce airwire do plechove krabicky, NE592 je DIL14 a testuju to samozrejmne zavrene. 5kusu se chova normalne, 1 jeden kus dela potize. Ad VF kondenzatory: jsem (byval jsem) taky radioamater takze o kondenzatorech a jejich zapojovani vim svoje (stavel jsem M160,PS83, CW Elev 144MHz, SSB transciever podle nejakeho polskeho sborniku). Nicmene u novych modernich keramik tam jaksi chybi popis hmoty, takze to kombinuji spise intuitivne (vizulane 100nF a 10nF jsou jine a treba 22nF se vyskytuji v te same verzi jak 10n tak i 100n) Asi to vyresim tak ze postavim dalsi prijimac a tenhle necham na pokusy. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Mar 29 08:04:35 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Mar 29 08:06:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <20050327064533.GA662@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1111855387.4245911b5574e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42491A23.10557.C4915@localhost> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 05:43:07PM +0100, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Jo, zari to z koaxu jako ramova antena. Problem je v tom ze je blbe zaklokavany > > stineni k RXu, tj. 12V napajeni. Nejvic pomuze smotat koaxy jako UTPcko, aby > > You apparently think it's blocked wrong. Why do you think it? > Za provozu zapoj osciloskop na GND a +12V na svorkovnici u twisteru. Kde se tam ta pila asi bere? > > mezera mezi nima byla co nejmensi a netahat to spolecne se svodem od anten. > > Feritove krouzky je mozno taky pouzit ale musi se dat na oba konce a jednim > > krouzkem se musi protahnout oba koaxy najednou. > > Timto taky vyzivam Clocka aby odstranil ze zpecifikaci hlasku ze Ronja > > vyhovuje EMC. > > No, I am going to solve the problem up to the point it stops interfering. > When I was testing the interference, I placed a portable radio receiver over > the coaxial (distance 1cm) and tuned through the bands and couldn't catch > absolutely anything. > To by chtelo spis krystalku... > CL< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Mar 29 08:41:25 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Mar 29 08:42:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV References: <1111855387.4245911b5574e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42491A23.10557.C4915@localhost> Message-ID: <000d01c53432$b6264e20$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> Nebo mereni ve zkusebne ... Za 30-50 tis .... :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ruseni TV > > No, I am going to solve the problem up to the point it stops interfering. > > When I was testing the interference, I placed a portable radio receiver over > > the coaxial (distance 1cm) and tuned through the bands and couldn't catch > > absolutely anything. > > > To by chtelo spis krystalku... > > > CL< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Mar 29 09:26:22 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Mar 29 09:27:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV In-Reply-To: <000d01c53432$b6264e20$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> Message-ID: <42492D4E.25996.572E45@localhost> "Krystalka" = vf sonda osazena schottkyho diodama v cene nekolika set korun. Detekuje ruseni v pasmu az do gigahertzu. > Nebo mereni ve zkusebne ... > Za 30-50 tis .... > :-) > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Seliger" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] ruseni TV > > > No, I am going to solve the problem up to the point it stops > interfering. > > > When I was testing the interference, I placed a portable radio receiver > over > > > the coaxial (distance 1cm) and tuned through the bands and couldn't > catch > > > absolutely anything. > > > > > To by chtelo spis krystalku... > > > > > CL< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Mar 29 12:10:22 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Mar 29 12:11:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ruseni TV References: <42492D4E.25996.572E45@localhost> Message-ID: <000a01c5344f$e6b15810$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> No, myslim, ze akorat vysledek ze zkusebny bude smerodatny pro prohlaseni, ze splnuje EMC ... Krystalkou zjistis akorat, jestli se tam s tim mas vubec obtezovat. Ale pri problemech pry i dokonce poradi, co s tim udelat ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ruseni TV > "Krystalka" = vf sonda osazena schottkyho diodama v cene nekolika set korun. > Detekuje ruseni v pasmu az do gigahertzu. > > > Nebo mereni ve zkusebne ... > > Za 30-50 tis .... > > :-) > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Petr Seliger" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] ruseni TV > > > > No, I am going to solve the problem up to the point it stops > > interfering. > > > > When I was testing the interference, I placed a portable radio receiver > > over > > > > the coaxial (distance 1cm) and tuned through the bands and couldn't > > catch > > > > absolutely anything. > > > > > > > To by chtelo spis krystalku... > > > > > > > CL< > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Tue Mar 29 12:35:36 2005 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Tue Mar 29 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: ruseni TV Message-ID: Hi Clock! I reported long ago this interference problem... but you seem to ignored it... anyway, Rys mentioned strong harmonics at about 12 MHz, I just want to say that I also find with my spectrum analyser strong harmonics in range of 12 to 16 MHz coming out from faulty receiver modules... In OK receiver modules it does not appear, and it seems that bad shielding inside receiver was the main problem so people, make a good shielding around bf ... Silvije silvije.tk From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 15:47:57 2005 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Tue Mar 29 15:48:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] LXHL-BD03.. Message-ID: <20050329144757.80212.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> I saw that LXHL-BD03 have 42lm. If i use this led power,can i go further than 1,4Km?..or can i rich 1-1.2V at rx in 1km link?.. anyone tried this power led?.. is an good choose for long distance? http://www.luxeonlight.com/luxeon_led_data/LXHL-BD03.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From sith at wifistar.net Tue Mar 29 18:02:37 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Tue Mar 29 18:02:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Informace k sepsani zadosti o povoleni umisteni Ronji In-Reply-To: <001901c533e0$250b0fe0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz><20050327110846.GB1934@beton.cybernet.src><001f01c5332b$8658bd20$0101a8c0@cz><1112010867.4247f07308ae7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><002001c53390$a3cf34a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <1112030262.42483c360bda5@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <001901c533e0$250b0fe0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <42498A2D.1040002@wifistar.net> Asi se to tu uz probiralo, nicmene nic jsem nenasel a na wiki o tom take nic neni. Proste potreboval bych par informaci, abych mohl sepsat zadost na drustvo :-( - zda Ronja splnuje nejake narizeni, skodlivost atd atd.. Byl bych moc vdecen za hint. -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Mar 30 06:34:35 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Mar 30 06:36:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Informace k sepsani zadosti o povoleni umisteni Ronji In-Reply-To: <42498A2D.1040002@wifistar.net> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz><20050327110846.GB1934@beton.cybernet.src><001f01c5332b$8658bd20$0101a8c0@cz><1112010867.4247f07308ae7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><002001c53390$a3cf34a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <1112030262.42483c360bda5@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <001901c533e0$250b0fe0$0101a8c0@cz> <42498A2D.1040002@wifistar.net> Message-ID: <17034383795.20050330073435@volny.cz> Zdravim a posilam to s cim jsem pred lety prorazil ja. 1) nerucim za to. 2) zkontrolujte jestli sedi odkaz na normu, co je tam pouzita. 3) podepiste to svym jmenem. 4) hod to na Twiki, please. 5) koukam ze jsou tam chyby, napr. HPWT nedela HawletPackard... tak to ZKONTROLUJTE !!!! Obecne se hodi rikat lidem malo, kdyz budou dotazy tak je zodpovite. Ja nejprve zvolil opacnou strategii a ta se neosvedcila. Vyhnete se jakemukoliv pouziti slova LASER - treba pro srovnani. (z toho maji lidi fakt strach) Jestli nekomu vadi MS format, at to napravi. At slouzi! Ondra DS> Asi se to tu uz probiralo, nicmene nic jsem nenasel a na wiki o tom take DS> nic neni. DS> Proste potreboval bych par informaci, abych mohl sepsat zadost na DS> drustvo :-( - zda Ronja splnuje nejake narizeni, skodlivost atd atd.. DS> Byl bych moc vdecen za hint. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: povoleni k instalaci Ronjy.doc Type: application/msword Size: 216576 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050330/582bf211/povolenikinstalaciRonjy-0001.doc -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: =?Windows-1250?Q?=8E=E1dost_o_povolen=ED_um=EDst=ECn=ED_optick=E9ho_kom?= =?Windows-1250?Q?unika=E8n=EDho_za=F8=EDzen=ED=2Edoc?= Type: application/msword Size: 24064 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050330/582bf211/Windows-1250Q8EE1dost_o_povolenED_umEDstECnED_optickE9ho_komWindows-1250QunikaE8nEDho_zaF8EDzenED2Edoc-0001.dot From sith at wifistar.net Wed Mar 30 19:09:13 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Wed Mar 30 19:09:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Informace k sepsani zadosti o povoleni umisteni Ronji In-Reply-To: <17034383795.20050330073435@volny.cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><002701c530c5$ad3a5920$0101a8c0@cz><20050327110846.GB1934@beton.cybernet.src><001f01c5332b$8658bd20$0101a8c0@cz><1112010867.4247f07308ae7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><002001c53390$a3cf34a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <1112030262.42483c360bda5@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <001901c533e0$250b0fe0$0101a8c0@cz> <42498A2D.1040002@wifistar.net> <17034383795.20050330073435@volny.cz> Message-ID: <424AEB49.60704@wifistar.net> Diky, vypada to solidne. Ovsem kdyz nikdo nereagoval, zacal jsem neco smolit. Jeste par uprav drobnosti (posilam to na korekturu) a dam to pak k dispozici na wiki. PS: presne jak pises - prirovnaval jsem neskodnou ronju k zakernemu laseru ;-) Ondrej Tesar napsal(a): > Zdravim a posilam to s cim jsem pred lety prorazil ja. > > 1) nerucim za to. > 2) zkontrolujte jestli sedi odkaz na normu, co je tam pouzita. > 3) podepiste to svym jmenem. > 4) hod to na Twiki, please. > 5) koukam ze jsou tam chyby, napr. HPWT nedela HawletPackard... tak to > ZKONTROLUJTE !!!! > > Obecne se hodi rikat lidem malo, kdyz budou dotazy tak je zodpovite. > Ja nejprve zvolil opacnou strategii a ta se neosvedcila. > Vyhnete se jakemukoliv pouziti slova LASER - treba pro srovnani. (z toho maji lidi fakt strach) > Jestli nekomu vadi MS format, at to napravi. > > At slouzi! > Ondra > > DS> Asi se to tu uz probiralo, nicmene nic jsem nenasel a na wiki o tom take > DS> nic neni. > DS> Proste potreboval bych par informaci, abych mohl sepsat zadost na > DS> drustvo :-( - zda Ronja splnuje nejake narizeni, skodlivost atd atd.. > DS> Byl bych moc vdecen za hint. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Wed Mar 30 20:34:09 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Mar 30 20:31:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] LXHL-BD03.. In-Reply-To: <20050329144757.80212.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050329144757.80212.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050330193409.GA7995@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 06:47:57AM -0800, popa-popescu sorin-gabriel wrote: > I saw that LXHL-BD03 have 42lm. > If i use this led power,can i go further than > 1,4Km?..or can i rich 1-1.2V at rx in 1km link?.. > anyone tried this power led?.. is an good choose for > long distance? > http://www.luxeonlight.com/luxeon_led_data/LXHL-BD03.html You can't directly use Luxeon leds in Metropolis/Tetrapolis. CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed Mar 30 21:21:34 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Mar 30 21:19:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <200503290756.05908.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000a01c530c5$76e16260$0101a8c0@cz> <20050327110749.GA1934@beton.cybernet.src> <200503290756.05908.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20050330202134.GC9393@beton.cybernet.src> > > Asi to vyresim tak ze postavim dalsi prijimac a tenhle necham na pokusy. It looks like some part is bad. Please measure if some capacitor is not shorted or a resistor open or shorted. Then please try replacing one after another and if you find the bad one, tell us. I could maybe write some kind of warning if this happens to people for them to know which part is more likely to be bad. CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed Mar 30 22:03:35 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Mar 30 22:01:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <001001c533df$c1085700$0101a8c0@cz> References: <1112010867.4247f07308ae7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <001001c533df$c1085700$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050330210335.GD9393@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 11:47:35PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > SOUHLAS > > Martin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] divny Rx > > > Akorat na nejhlavnejsi vec jsi zapomel. > V RX kondik blokujici G2 MOSFETu proti zemi MUSI mit co nejkratsi nozicky a > musi > byt dobre pripajen. Pokud ma nozicky delsi nez cca 2mm nebo je ke krabicce > cinem > jen "prilepen" je zadelano na pruser. What happens if the legs are too long? Does it start to oscillate? CL< From rasken at centrum.cz Thu Mar 31 07:51:18 2005 From: rasken at centrum.cz (rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Mar 31 07:51:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx Message-ID: Nazdar ho?i. Mam problem s Rx. Postavil sem si 4ks vrabci hnizdo, kdyz mnerim RSII proti lampi?ce tak reaguje, ale po pripojeni do dpoje data nechcou prochazet. Taky sem na meraku zkousel merit h21e tech 2n3904 a ukazalo mi to "2". Je to spravne, v datashetu sem to nenasel. Dik Rasken From clock at twibright.com Thu Mar 31 08:35:38 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Mar 31 08:33:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050331073538.GA11184@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 08:51:18AM +0200, rasken@centrum.cz wrote: > Nazdar ho?i. > Mam problem s Rx. Postavil sem si 4ks vrabci hnizdo, > kdyz mnerim RSII proti lampi?ce tak reaguje, > ale po pripojeni do dpoje data nechcou prochazet. > Taky sem na meraku zkousel merit h21e tech 2n3904 a ukazalo mi to "2". 2 is bad. Should be something like 200-300. Check if you were inserting the transistor the right way into the multimeter. CL< From schum at seznam.cz Thu Mar 31 09:44:18 2005 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Thu Mar 31 09:44:22 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Rx?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <853.1327-10443-1707905380-1112258657@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): rasken@centrum.cz Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Rx Datum (Date): 31. 3. 2005 8:51 ================================================== < Nazdar ho?i. < Mam problem s Rx. Postavil sem si 4ks vrabci hnizdo, < kdyz mnerim RSII proti lampi?ce tak reaguje, < ale po pripojeni do dpoje data nechcou prochazet. < Taky sem na meraku zkousel merit h21e tech 2n3904 a ukazalo mi to "2". < Je to spravne, v datashetu sem to nenasel. < Dik Rasken 2 je samozrejme malo, namatkou jsem nameril 175, bacha 2n3904 ma obracene C a E oproti bezne pouzivanym tranzistorum typu BC... Reakce RSSI na lampicku nemusi byt zarukou funkcnosti celeho prijimace, krom toho nepopisujes o jakou reakci se jedna. Takze pricin proc to nejede muze byt cela rada, sedi ti testpointy? A chovaji se vsechny 4 Rx stejne ? Mirek ____________________________________________________________ http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=94734 From clock at twibright.com Thu Mar 31 17:31:48 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Mar 31 17:29:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <200503290756.05908.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000a01c530c5$76e16260$0101a8c0@cz> <20050327110749.GA1934@beton.cybernet.src> <200503290756.05908.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20050331163148.GC13098@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 06:56:05AM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > jsem (byval jsem) taky radioamater takze o kondenzatorech a jejich zapojovani > vim svoje (stavel jsem M160,PS83, CW Elev 144MHz, SSB transciever podle > nejakeho polskeho sborniku). Co o nich vis zajimaveho? CL< From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 21:05:24 2005 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Thu Mar 31 21:05:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] lxhl.. Message-ID: <20050331200524.31706.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> with some modified schematic diagram for tx,will have lxhl much power and gain instead of any hpwt?.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com