From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Jun 2 10:05:45 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Jun 2 10:06:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rozdil mezi Tx led E a F Message-ID: <200506021105.45845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Zdravim dostal jsem od Ondry Tesare zasilku dlouho shanenych F a jsem z toho rozcarovan. Podivejte se na nasledujici fotky: Dioda F: http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM5577 sviti uzkym mezikruzim, ktere vychazi tesne na kraj cocky (cocky 13cm od vietnamcu s ohniskem cca 30cm), stred ledky je v podstate cerny. Dioda E: http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM5578 sviti krasne plosne, se slabsim stredem a subjektivne i vice. mam pocit, ze u diody E bude podstatne vesti svetelny tok po zaostreni ledkou Vecer jdeme s tema Fkama na strechy, tak uvidim (budeme delat dve trasy) V kazdem pripade bych rad slysel vase nazory a pripadne jestli muzete mi udelat podbne fotky z vasi kousku Tx led. Vzdalenost ledky od papiru je 20cm. Diky S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 2 10:58:41 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 2 11:03:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switches from Mediamarkt Dietlikon Message-ID: <20050602095841.GA15291@kestrel> Hello I have been to Mediamarkt Dietlikon to scan what kind of cheap, possibly hackable switches they offer. Please check if you don't have one at home. CNET CNSH-800 SITECOM LN-113P PLANET SW-801 MAXXTRO MX88 DLINK DES-1008D NETGEAR FS605GR I would like to ask to open it, if possible, and copy the chip label into e-mail, or take a photo of the board. Thanks. The prices vary between 44-79 CHF. CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 2 11:18:45 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 2 11:23:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rozdil mezi Tx led E a F In-Reply-To: <200506021105.45845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200506021105.45845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20050602101845.GA15511@kestrel> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 11:05:45AM +0200, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Zdravim > > dostal jsem od Ondry Tesare zasilku dlouho shanenych F a jsem z toho > rozcarovan. > > Podivejte se na nasledujici fotky: > > Dioda F: http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM5577 > > sviti uzkym mezikruzim, ktere vychazi tesne na kraj cocky (cocky 13cm od > vietnamcu s ohniskem cca 30cm), stred ledky je v podstate cerny. > > Dioda E: http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM5578 > > sviti krasne plosne, se slabsim stredem a subjektivne i vice. According to the datasheet, they should have the same properties, only F stronger light than E. Maybe it's a variation in the mold shape. Do you know if other F LED's have the same problem? The labels I have here say "HPWT-BD00-F4000". My camera currently doesn't work with Linux, so I can take picture, but it will take some time to load it into a computer. > > mam pocit, ze u diody E bude podstatne vesti svetelny tok po zaostreni ledkou > > Vecer jdeme s tema Fkama na strechy, tak uvidim (budeme delat dve trasy) Do you have some tracks into gallery? :) CL< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Jun 2 11:45:17 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Jun 2 11:45:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rozdil mezi Tx led E a F In-Reply-To: <20050602101845.GA15511@kestrel> References: <200506021105.45845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20050602101845.GA15511@kestrel> Message-ID: <200506021245.17695.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > sviti uzkym mezikruzim, ktere vychazi tesne na kraj cocky (cocky 13cm od > > vietnamcu s ohniskem cca 30cm), stred ledky je v podstate cerny. > > > > Dioda E: http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM5578 > > > > sviti krasne plosne, se slabsim stredem a subjektivne i vice. > > According to the datasheet, they should have the same properties, only > F stronger light than E. Fotil jsem jen jednu, ale subjectivni pocit z ostatnich mam stejny. Hlavni svetelny vykon leze uzkym mezikruzim. > > Maybe it's a variation in the mold shape. Do you know if other F LED's > have the same problem? > Do you have some tracks into gallery? :) Az je vecer nahodime, poslu fotky S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From radus at avtograd.ru Thu Jun 2 19:16:20 2005 From: radus at avtograd.ru (Alexander Sudarkin) Date: Thu Jun 2 18:16:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switches from Mediamarkt Dietlikon Message-ID: <45175966656.20050602221620@avtograd.ru> ?????? ronja! There is big collection photos inside of switches and hubs. http://www.nag.ru/goodies/foto/ ????, ??? ????????! Radus http://smashnet.nm.ru mailto:radus@avtograd.ru From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 2 19:01:16 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 2 19:06:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switches from Mediamarkt Dietlikon In-Reply-To: <45175966656.20050602221620@avtograd.ru> References: <45175966656.20050602221620@avtograd.ru> Message-ID: <20050602180116.GB21423@kestrel> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 10:16:20PM +0400, Alexander Sudarkin wrote: > ?????? ronja! > > There is big collection photos inside of switches and hubs. > http://www.nag.ru/goodies/foto/ > > ????, ??? ????????! Radus > http://smashnet.nm.ru mailto:radus@avtograd.ru Hooooly jumping shit :) Thanks. CL< From sorin at bz.ines.ro Thu Jun 2 19:37:39 2005 From: sorin at bz.ines.ro (Sorin Popa) Date: Thu Jun 2 19:37:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Repotec 5 port RP-1705K Message-ID: <000d01c567a2$27d301b0$0d13320a@sorin> http://www.nag.ru/goodies/foto/switch5/repotec_rp_1705k/repotec_rp_1705k.html solder to ground pin 105 and pin 108 and you'll have 3 port 10mbit full duplex forced and 2 port 100mbit nway..;)... just tested in one link and work fine.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050602/48287347/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 3 09:10:15 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 3 09:12:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switches from Mediamarkt Dietlikon In-Reply-To: <45175966656.20050602221620@avtograd.ru> References: <45175966656.20050602221620@avtograd.ru> Message-ID: <20050603081015.GA25771@kestrel> > ????, ??? ????????! Radus > http://smashnet.nm.ru mailto:radus@avtograd.ru Are you having any running installations of Ronja? I looked at your site, didn't understand much, but saw something about "3 made Ronja's" and this map: http://smashnet.nm.ru/strnet3.gif If yes, would you mind sending me technical details and possibly pictures for gallery at http://ronja.twibright.com/installations.php ? Is Avtograd the name of your city? CL< From radus at avtograd.ru Sat Jun 4 12:30:08 2005 From: radus at avtograd.ru (Alexander Sudarkin) Date: Sat Jun 4 11:30:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Switches from Mediamarkt Dietlikon In-Reply-To: <200506031100.j53B04gG021091@relay2.avtograd.ru> References: <200506031100.j53B04gG021091@relay2.avtograd.ru> Message-ID: <136324395312.20050604153008@avtograd.ru> ?????? ronja-request! rrlpn> Are you having any running installations of Ronja? Yes i have a one running instalation of this device. Link length - 450 metters. Via two local home networks named SmashNet and CoreNet. rrlpn> I looked at your rrlpn> site, didn't understand much, but saw something about "3 made Ronja's" rrlpn> and this map: "3 made" it other versions of a one my link. In a first version was one laser-pointer and Russian photodiode fd256. It very-bad worked on open space and be removed by me for a reconstruction. Second version i made new TX on led HPWT and loupe 100 mm. This version has out worse previous and absolutely not worked on 450 metters. Third last version i made new TX with 3 laser-pointers. And new RX with photodiode bpw43 and loupe 100 mm. This version has more-better than previous. And worked with maximum RSSI level. rrlpn> If yes, would you mind sending me technical details and possibly rrlpn> pictures for gallery at http://ronja.twibright.com/installations.php ? >From there you can take my photos and schemes: http://www.lazerlink.ru/1/radus/photo.html Link nice worked from October 2004. rrlpn> Is Avtograd the name of your city? Russia, Togliatti city. In our city biggest automobile factory in Russia. It's near to the Samara city where make spacecrafts "Soyuz". ;) ????, ??? ????????! Radus http://smashnet.nm.ru mailto:radus@avtograd.ru From santiago at mail.cz Sun Jun 5 08:28:19 2005 From: santiago at mail.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sun Jun 5 08:28:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] script pktloss for rawframes test Message-ID: <20050605072818.GA5475@feanor> Hello Is there anybody who can send me script pktloss needed for rawframes test? There is broken link to script pktloss on page http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RawFramesTest . -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From liquid.spin at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 10:34:38 2005 From: liquid.spin at gmail.com (Vasilis Tsolis) Date: Sun Jun 5 10:34:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Getting Ronja for testing In-Reply-To: <20050531084443.GB7512@kestrel> References: <20050531084443.GB7512@kestrel> Message-ID: So, i can buy all the materials (lens included) from Ondrej Tesar? This will be fine!!! Any more ideas? On 5/31/05, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:17:32AM +0300, Vasilis Tsolis wrote: > > Hello ! > > > > I am a member of AWMN (Athens Wireless Metropolitan Network) , one of > > the biggest wireless community in europe( we are working mostly with > > 802.11b) , and we are very interested to > > use the optics technology to our network. To establish this concept in a > > long-term base , a initial thought is to test first that suit to our needs. > > So, we are thinking to buy ready-for-use ronja.and Ronja in parts. As > > our budget is limited we thought to buy half link ready to use and half > > in pieces. We talked with K. Obadal but the communication is extremely > > slow. So my question is where to ask for buying that stuff? Any hint is > > more than helpful... > > I think I have distantly heard about AWMN. > > About Mr. Obadal I just know he put an offer for complete Ronja components on > Ronja Wiki. > > At the moment people are usually buying by post PCBs and hard to order > parts from people who happen to distribute them, like Ondrej Tesar is > now offering HPWT-BD00-F4000 LEDs (he personally sent me a paper letter > with stickers from the order, so I can confirm he has really F4000, it > is written on the stickers). > > The most sure way is probably to order what is possible by mail, and buy > the rest locally. As the design is made from non-specialized parts, it > shouldn't be much problem. > > CL< > > Thank you in advance, > > Vasilis Tsolis > > > > > > PS i 've searched the archives without any result for this question, > > so thats i am asking. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 5 15:07:06 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jun 5 15:07:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] script pktloss for rawframes test In-Reply-To: <20050605072818.GA5475@feanor> References: <20050605072818.GA5475@feanor> Message-ID: <20050605140706.GA28779@kestrel> On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 09:28:19AM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Hello > > Is there anybody who can send me script pktloss > needed for rawframes test? > > There is broken link to script pktloss on page > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RawFramesTest . I have fixed the problem - renamed the page from RawFramesTest to BerTest and supplied the missing software, which was rewritten. http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/BerTest CL< > > -- > Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > > Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) > OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) > "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 6 15:58:10 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jun 6 15:58:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] tin-plated steel tin from IKEA Message-ID: <20050606145810.GB9181@kestrel.twibright.com> Hello I have discovered that if you go to IKEA, you can buy a shiny metal 2-piece box with a handle for storage of stuff for 9.90CHF (here in ZH) which is labeled to be made from *tin plated steel tin* (Verzinntes Stahlblech). The size is about a shoebox and it's actually two of them, the smaller one inside the bigger. I have bought one and tried to solder and it goes well enough. It is a usable source of tinned tin - there is a thin layer of transparent lacquer that goes immediately down when touched with iron (same as tin in tomato puree tin cans). It is even big enough to make a Twister box. IKEA is quite globalized so this source should be portable ;-) CL< From srnkap at seznam.cz Sat Jun 11 16:39:39 2005 From: srnkap at seznam.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Sat Jun 11 16:39:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Preji hezky den a prosim o pomoc s ozivovanim ronji.Situace je takovato: Dva twistery PCB builded zdaji se funkcni po spojeni RX-TX a TX-RX vodici a spojenim GND u obou. Data se prenaseji, sice ne plnou rychlosti, ale to prisuzuji 100mbit integrovane sitovce, u ktere je pod winxp nastaven rezim 10FD.Kdyz ovsem pripojim vsechyn moduly podle schematu RG85 50ohm kablikama do 1m, na vysilacich sice zacne svitit LED, na prijmacich namerim signal lehce pres 4V, bohuzel ale neprojde ani packet. Merici body se zdaji byt +- v poradku a nejsem proto bohuzel schopny nalezt chybu.JEstli tedy mate nejakej tipy cim by to mohlo byt, budu moc rad kdyz mi odpovite.Predem diky a pro upresneni jeste posilam hodnoty z mericich bodu : RX1: P1: 0 RX2: P1:0 P2: 4,97 P2:5 P3: 4,45 P3:4,48 P4: 4,97 P4:5 P5: 9,92 P5:9,95 P6: 2,93 P6:3,72 P7: 1,71@186mA P7:1,67@182mA P8: 4,98 P8:5,0 P9: 12,2 P9: 12,26 TX1: P101:11,5 TX2: P101:11,48 P102:3,55 P102:3,57 P103:0,01 P103:0,01 P104:7,42 P104:6,84 P105:4,62 P105:5,31 P106:4,78 P106:5,58 P107:4,xx P107:4,xx P108:11,49 P108:11,16 P109:4 P109:5,69 P110:12,2 P110:12,23 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050611/2ce08fe4/attachment.htm From kendy at hkfree.org Sat Jun 11 18:03:38 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Sat Jun 11 18:03:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <42AB196A.3050101@hkfree.org> Setkal jsem se uz pri opravovani cizich modulu, ze RSSI bylo nadherne a menilo se se silou signalu, ale neprosel ani bajtik (jak pises ty). Pricinou byly opacne naletovane tranzistory (prohozen C a E), ktere jsou zapojene na vystupu z modulu. Po jejich otoceni bylo vse v poradku. Kendy HKfree Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > Preji hezky den a prosim o pomoc s ozivovanim ronji.Situace je takovato: > Dva twistery PCB builded zdaji se funkcni po spojeni RX-TX a TX-RX > vodici a spojenim GND u obou. > Data se prenaseji, sice ne plnou rychlosti, ale to prisuzuji 100mbit > integrovane sitovce, u ktere je pod winxp nastaven rezim 10FD.Kdyz ovsem > pripojim vsechyn moduly podle schematu RG85 50ohm kablikama do 1m, na > vysilacich sice zacne svitit LED, na prijmacich namerim signal lehce > pres 4V, bohuzel ale neprojde ani packet. > Merici body se zdaji byt +- v poradku a nejsem proto bohuzel schopny > nalezt chybu.JEstli tedy mate nejakej tipy cim by to mohlo byt, budu moc > rad kdyz mi odpovite.Predem diky a pro upresneni jeste posilam hodnoty z > mericich bodu : > > RX1: P1: 0 RX2: P1:0 > P2: 4,97 P2:5 > P3: 4,45 P3:4,48 > P4: 4,97 P4:5 > P5: 9,92 P5:9,95 > P6: 2,93 P6:3,72 > P7: 1,71@186mA P7:1,67@182mA > P8: 4,98 P8:5,0 > P9: 12,2 P9: 12,26 > > TX1: P101:11,5 TX2: P101:11,48 > P102:3,55 P102:3,57 > P103:0,01 P103:0,01 > P104:7,42 P104:6,84 > P105:4,62 P105:5,31 > P106:4,78 P106:5,58 > P107:4,xx P107:4,xx > P108:11,49 P108:11,16 > P109:4 P109:5,69 > P110:12,2 P110:12,23 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 11 18:16:36 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jun 11 18:16:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <20050611171636.GB27785@kestrel> On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 05:39:39PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > Preji hezky den a prosim o pomoc s ozivovanim ronji.Situace je takovato: > Dva twistery PCB builded zdaji se funkcni po spojeni RX-TX a TX-RX vodici a spojenim GND u obou. > Data se prenaseji, sice ne plnou rychlosti, ale to prisuzuji 100mbit integrovane sitovce, u ktere je pod winxp nastaven rezim 10FD.Kdyz ovsem pripojim vsechyn moduly podle schematu RG85 50ohm kablikama do 1m, na vysilacich sice zacne svitit LED, na prijmacich namerim signal lehce pres 4V, bohuzel ale neprojde ani packet. > Merici body se zdaji byt +- v poradku a nejsem proto bohuzel schopny nalezt chybu.JEstli tedy mate nejakej tipy cim by to mohlo byt, budu moc rad kdyz mi odpovite.Predem diky a pro upresneni jeste posilam hodnoty z mericich bodu : > > RX1: P1: 0 RX2: P1:0 > P2: 4,97 P2:5 > P3: 4,45 P3:4,48 > P4: 4,97 P4:5 > P5: 9,92 P5:9,95 > P6: 2,93 P6:3,72 > P7: 1,71@186mA P7:1,67@182mA > P8: 4,98 P8:5,0 > P9: 12,2 P9: 12,26 180 mA at P7? It should be max. 70mA. Is R11 present? Disconnect it, or you will burn the diode soon. Or you maybe measured the current incorrectly by putting one lead to P7 and the other to ground and setting the multimeter to current. Please include also "should be values" from the schematic, co I can quickly check it in the mail. CL< > > TX1: P101:11,5 TX2: P101:11,48 > P102:3,55 P102:3,57 > P103:0,01 P103:0,01 > P104:7,42 P104:6,84 > P105:4,62 P105:5,31 > P106:4,78 P106:5,58 > P107:4,xx P107:4,xx > P108:11,49 P108:11,16 > P109:4 P109:5,69 > P110:12,2 P110:12,23 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 11 18:23:12 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jun 11 18:23:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <42AB196A.3050101@hkfree.org> References: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42AB196A.3050101@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20050611172312.GA28139@kestrel> On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 07:03:38PM +0200, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Setkal jsem se uz pri opravovani cizich modulu, ze RSSI bylo nadherne a > menilo se se silou signalu, ale neprosel ani bajtik (jak pises ty). > Pricinou byly opacne naletovane tranzistory (prohozen C a E), ktere jsou > zapojene na vystupu z modulu. Po jejich otoceni bylo vse v poradku. Added into FAQ. CL< From srnkap at seznam.cz Sun Jun 12 09:01:15 2005 From: srnkap at seznam.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Sun Jun 12 09:01:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42AB196A.3050101@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <001501c56f24$e838a7a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> tak to byla jedn az prvnich veci kterou jsem kontroloval a bohuzel/bohudik byly spravne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendy - HKFree" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > Setkal jsem se uz pri opravovani cizich modulu, ze RSSI bylo nadherne a > menilo se se silou signalu, ale neprosel ani bajtik (jak pises ty). > Pricinou byly opacne naletovane tranzistory (prohozen C a E), ktere jsou > zapojene na vystupu z modulu. Po jejich otoceni bylo vse v poradku. > > > Kendy > HKfree > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > >> Preji hezky den a prosim o pomoc s ozivovanim ronji.Situace je takovato: >> Dva twistery PCB builded zdaji se funkcni po spojeni RX-TX a TX-RX vodici >> a spojenim GND u obou. >> Data se prenaseji, sice ne plnou rychlosti, ale to prisuzuji 100mbit >> integrovane sitovce, u ktere je pod winxp nastaven rezim 10FD.Kdyz ovsem >> pripojim vsechyn moduly podle schematu RG85 50ohm kablikama do 1m, na >> vysilacich sice zacne svitit LED, na prijmacich namerim signal lehce pres >> 4V, bohuzel ale neprojde ani packet. >> Merici body se zdaji byt +- v poradku a nejsem proto bohuzel schopny >> nalezt chybu.JEstli tedy mate nejakej tipy cim by to mohlo byt, budu moc >> rad kdyz mi odpovite.Predem diky a pro upresneni jeste posilam hodnoty z >> mericich bodu : >> RX1: P1: 0 RX2: P1:0 >> P2: 4,97 P2:5 >> P3: 4,45 P3:4,48 >> P4: 4,97 P4:5 >> P5: 9,92 P5:9,95 >> P6: 2,93 P6:3,72 >> P7: 1,71@186mA P7:1,67@182mA >> P8: 4,98 P8:5,0 >> P9: 12,2 P9: 12,26 >> TX1: P101:11,5 TX2: P101:11,48 >> P102:3,55 P102:3,57 >> P103:0,01 P103:0,01 >> P104:7,42 P104:6,84 >> P105:4,62 P105:5,31 >> P106:4,78 P106:5,58 >> P107:4,xx P107:4,xx >> P108:11,49 P108:11,16 >> P109:4 P109:5,69 >> P110:12,2 P110:12,23 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 12 09:50:19 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jun 12 09:50:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <001501c56f24$e838a7a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42AB196A.3050101@hkfree.org> <001501c56f24$e838a7a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <20050612085019.GA16556@kestrel> On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 10:01:15AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > tak to byla jedn az prvnich veci kterou jsem kontroloval a bohuzel/bohudik > byly spravne Then the fact the network card is not in full duplex can cause packets to be stopped, too. Ensure 10Mbps full duplex first. CL< From jiri_kovar at centrum.cz Mon Jun 13 09:18:36 2005 From: jiri_kovar at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?Smn47SBLb3bh+A==?=) Date: Mon Jun 13 09:18:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] linka Message-ID: From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 15 10:45:15 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 15 12:23:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Creep =?iso-8859-2?q?hrub=E9ho_zam=EC=F8ov=E1n=ED?= Message-ID: <20050615094514.GA13459@kestrel> Stalo se nekomu neco takovyho? "Ahoj, Ty, ?lov??e, to poj?tko bylo tak tot?ln? ?ejdrem, ?e nech?pu, ?e mu to v?bec nevadilo. Ono toti? i kdy? to bylo vypadl?, tak errory nab?haly na shpeku, tak?e p?ij?ma? na djinnu z?ejm? celkem chodil. A to byl ujetej tak, ?e tam bylo asi 0.01V na tom m???cim v?vodu a kdy? jsem to se?teloval, tak tam je asi 3.6V... Vys?la? byl taky trochu ujetej. Ale zaj?mav? je, ?e byly ujet? ka?d? jinym sm?rem (vys?la? vodorovn? a p?ij?ma? svisle), tak?e si sp?? myslim, ?e to pevn? zam??ov?n? stejn? trochu creeplo, ne? ?e se to pohlo dole v tom spoji, kam jsi cht?l p?idat je?t? placku nav?c." To bylo na na?? trase v ?imic?ch. Vypad? to, ?e si d?m do buglistu i hrub? zam??ov?n? :) CL< From neilson at predialnet.com.br Fri Jun 17 01:34:12 2005 From: neilson at predialnet.com.br (Neilson Henriques) Date: Fri Jun 17 01:44:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 100 Mbps version Message-ID: <001101c572d4$48e7c830$0626c80a@noutebuqui> Hi list, Is there any plan to develop a 100 Mbps (something greater than 10 Mbps) version ? Thanks ! Texugo Gundum -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050616/6086a291/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 17 14:05:33 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 17 14:05:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 100 Mbps version In-Reply-To: <001101c572d4$48e7c830$0626c80a@noutebuqui> References: <001101c572d4$48e7c830$0626c80a@noutebuqui> Message-ID: <20050617130533.GA25725@kestrel> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 09:34:12PM -0300, Neilson Henriques wrote: > Hi list, > > Is there any plan to develop a 100 Mbps (something greater than > 10 Mbps) version ? Yes. CL< From sorin at bz.ines.ro Sat Jun 18 14:46:22 2005 From: sorin at bz.ines.ro (Sorin Popa) Date: Sat Jun 18 14:46:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 11 Message-ID: <000501c5740c$1d0d7d20$0d13320a@sorin> This year? --- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 11 > Send Ronja mailing list submissions to > ronja@lists.pointless.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ronja-request@lists.pointless.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 100 Mbps version (Karel Kulhavy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:05:33 +0200 > From: Karel Kulhavy > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100 Mbps version > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <20050617130533.GA25725@kestrel> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 09:34:12PM -0300, Neilson Henriques wrote: >> Hi list, >> >> Is there any plan to develop a 100 Mbps (something greater than >> 10 Mbps) version ? > > Yes. > > CL< > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > End of Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 11 > ************************************* From crush at a2j-net.com Sat Jun 18 16:03:29 2005 From: crush at a2j-net.com (Bartosz Kolodziejczak) Date: Sat Jun 18 16:10:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 11 References: <20050618100531.2054B98B@poczta.a2j-net.com> Message-ID: <000b01c57416$e5015720$ef64640a@bukovina.pl> Clock can you tell us more ?! What does "yes" mean? Do you have concrete term doing first prototypes? Or maybe have you made something working right now ? Where is a problem doing 100mbit FSO? Can we help you in some way? I'm new user of this mailing list. My first fso link wasn't working properly, because mounting was too week. I plan to repair it next week, so if it will help I should send you some photos. I use Ondrej Tesar PCB's and Silvije's miniTPavr interface with autonegotiation feature which is working fine. I have tested my fso link "on the floor" and it works quite good - 10 mbit full duplex without any single packet loss. Crush ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 11 > Send Ronja mailing list submissions to > ronja@lists.pointless.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ronja-request@lists.pointless.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 100 Mbps version (Karel Kulhavy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:05:33 +0200 > From: Karel Kulhavy > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100 Mbps version > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <20050617130533.GA25725@kestrel> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 09:34:12PM -0300, Neilson Henriques wrote: > > Hi list, > > > > Is there any plan to develop a 100 Mbps (something greater than > > 10 Mbps) version ? > > Yes. > > CL< > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > End of Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 11 > ************************************* From communi at centrum.sk Mon Jun 20 14:19:11 2005 From: communi at centrum.sk (communi@centrum.sk) Date: Mon Jun 20 14:19:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister Message-ID: Chcel by som sa spytat kde moze byt problem ked zapnem twister na napajanie tak svieti zlta LED cize napajanie je v poriadku skusal som aj cez LINUX loopback ten mi tiez fungoval ale ked som ich prepojil medzi seba tak uz to nefungovalo prichadzal len 1 packet za sekundu v LOOPbacku prichadzali 2 x za sekundu..... Dakujem --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.morfeo.sk/ - Morfeo.sk - ?pecialista na vyh?ad?vanie na Slovensku! From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 20 14:46:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jun 20 14:47:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050620134642.GA17496@kestrel> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:19:11PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: > Chcel by som sa spytat kde moze byt problem ked zapnem twister na > napajanie tak svieti zlta LED cize napajanie je v poriadku skusal som > aj cez LINUX loopback ten mi tiez fungoval ale ked som ich prepojil > medzi seba tak uz to nefungovalo prichadzal len 1 packet za sekundu v > LOOPbacku prichadzali 2 x za sekundu..... A nebyly propojeni mezi Twistery udelane nejak nekvalitne? CL< From xpowersa at seznam.cz Mon Jun 20 16:25:39 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Mon Jun 20 16:25:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <20050620134642.GA17496@kestrel> References: <20050620134642.GA17496@kestrel> Message-ID: <42B6DFF3.2030709@seznam.cz> jj pozor na delku tech kabliku, ne vic nez 20-30 cm a taky pozor nesmi to byt kroucena dvojlinka... :( ja to zkousel s 1 parem z UTP a nejelo to...a kdyz sem to rozmotal tak vpohode... Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:19:11PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: > > >>Chcel by som sa spytat kde moze byt problem ked zapnem twister na >>napajanie tak svieti zlta LED cize napajanie je v poriadku skusal som >>aj cez LINUX loopback ten mi tiez fungoval ale ked som ich prepojil >>medzi seba tak uz to nefungovalo prichadzal len 1 packet za sekundu v >>LOOPbacku prichadzali 2 x za sekundu..... >> >> > >A nebyly propojeni mezi Twistery udelane nejak nekvalitne? > >CL< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > From communi at centrum.sk Mon Jun 20 16:44:03 2005 From: communi at centrum.sk (communi@centrum.sk) Date: Mon Jun 20 16:44:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister Message-ID: no malo by to byt v poriadku zapojene, skusal som to aj tak ze som zapojil len 1 twister jumpre dal do polohy PC a spojil signalne RX a TX a tiez nic a prepojoval som to medenym drotom asi 15cm , tak neviem kde moze byt chyba... --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.morfeo.sk/ - Morfeo.sk - ?pecialista na vyh?ad?vanie na Slovensku! From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 20 18:53:59 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jun 20 18:54:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050620175359.GA22979@kestrel> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 05:44:03PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: > no malo by to byt v poriadku zapojene, skusal som to aj tak ze som zapojil len 1 twister jumpre dal do polohy PC a spojil signalne RX a TX a tiez nic a prepojoval som to medenym drotom asi 15cm , tak neviem kde moze byt chyba... V tom medenem dratu - musite pouzit 2x koaxialni kabel nebo aspon audioo stinenou dvoulinku. Budu to muset napsat do navodu, dost lidi se na tohle pta... CL< From sith at wifistar.net Mon Jun 20 21:43:51 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Jun 20 19:43:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <20050620175359.GA22979@kestrel> References: <20050620175359.GA22979@kestrel> Message-ID: <42B72A87.7090100@wifistar.net> Kdysi jsem to sem psal, ze je nutne propojit to necim stinenym. Hodne lidi mi psalo, ze jim to nejde a ze to maji spojene par cm dlouhymi draty (tp). Divim se, ze to doted v navodu neni. Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 05:44:03PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: > >>no malo by to byt v poriadku zapojene, skusal som to aj tak ze som zapojil len 1 twister jumpre dal do polohy PC a spojil signalne RX a TX a tiez nic a prepojoval som to medenym drotom asi 15cm , tak neviem kde moze byt chyba... > > > V tom medenem dratu - musite pouzit 2x koaxialni kabel nebo aspon audioo > stinenou dvoulinku. > > Budu to muset napsat do navodu, dost lidi se na tohle pta... > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek WiFiStar.net, o.s. skype: sith_cz From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Jun 21 11:59:26 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Jun 21 11:59:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Holes for heel Message-ID: <20050621105926.GA8176@feanor> Hello Heel on 130mm tubular head has six holes for mounting. On page http://ronja.twibright.com/tubular_head_130/building.php there is table 'Drilling out the pipe'. Only two holes for heel mounting are in this table. I don't understnad to which holes i should mound hood in paragraph 'Attaching hood's sides'. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 21 13:52:54 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Jun 21 13:53:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Holes for heel In-Reply-To: <20050621105926.GA8176@feanor> References: <20050621105926.GA8176@feanor> Message-ID: <20050621125254.GA4320@kestrel> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 12:59:26PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Hello > > Heel on 130mm tubular head has six holes for mounting. > On page http://ronja.twibright.com/tubular_head_130/building.php > there is table 'Drilling out the pipe'. Only two holes for heel > mounting are in this table. I don't understnad to which holes > i should mound hood in paragraph 'Attaching hood's sides'. I have just checked the abovementioned URL and the heel plan shows 5 holes and the table shows 5 holes too. CL< From Funky at seznam.cz Tue Jun 21 15:00:34 2005 From: Funky at seznam.cz (Funky) Date: Tue Jun 21 15:00:37 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20problem=20Twister?= In-Reply-To: <42B72A87.7090100@wifistar.net> Message-ID: <2727.3537-28445-1677462929-1119362434@seznam.cz> Zdar, ja jsem Twistery propojil obyc. medenym dratem a jelo to 1,12MByte/s a 0% packetloss http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/electronics/zidenice/25.jpg Funky ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "David Sedl??ek" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] problem Twister Datum (Date): 21. 6. 2005 2:46 ================================================== > Kdysi jsem to sem psal, ze je nutne propojit to necim stinenym. Hodne > lidi mi psalo, ze jim to nejde a ze to maji spojene par cm dlouhymi > draty (tp). > Divim se, ze to doted v navodu neni. > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 05:44:03PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: > > > >>no malo by to byt v poriadku zapojene, skusal som to aj tak ze som zapojil len 1 twister jumpre dal do polohy PC a spojil signalne RX a TX a tiez nic a prepojoval som to medenym drotom asi 15cm , tak neviem kde moze byt chyba... > > > > > > V tom medenem dratu - musite pouzit 2x koaxialni kabel nebo aspon audioo > > stinenou dvoulinku. > > > > Budu to muset napsat do navodu, dost lidi se na tohle pta... > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Regards, > David Sedl??ek > WiFiStar.net, o.s. > skype: sith_cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ http://www.listicka.cz From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Tue Jun 21 17:54:07 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Tue Jun 21 17:54:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42AB196A.3050101@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <003601c57681$d6f66d60$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Tak to ze se data neprenaseli plnou rychlosti nezpusobovala sitovka (vymenil jsem za 10mbit) ale krizeny kabel ktery jsem pouzil k propojeni twisteru.to me dovedlo k tomu abych vymenil i rg58 kabliky ktery vedou pres BNC na jednotlive moduly za predepsany 75ohm koax, nicmene to nepomohlo , vzduchem mi proste neprojde ani packet a uz zacinam byt zoufaly.Uvazuju o postaveni modulu taky na PCB a chci se tedy zeptat, jestli nekdo ma 100% funkcni plosnaky na rx a tx pro klasicke soucastky ?? (pokud mozno stejnou kvalitu jako twistr). Snad prechodem komplet na PCB se povede neoc rozchodit.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendy - HKFree" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > Setkal jsem se uz pri opravovani cizich modulu, ze RSSI bylo nadherne a > menilo se se silou signalu, ale neprosel ani bajtik (jak pises ty). > Pricinou byly opacne naletovane tranzistory (prohozen C a E), ktere jsou > zapojene na vystupu z modulu. Po jejich otoceni bylo vse v poradku. > > > Kendy > HKfree > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > >> Preji hezky den a prosim o pomoc s ozivovanim ronji.Situace je takovato: >> Dva twistery PCB builded zdaji se funkcni po spojeni RX-TX a TX-RX vodici >> a spojenim GND u obou. >> Data se prenaseji, sice ne plnou rychlosti, ale to prisuzuji 100mbit >> integrovane sitovce, u ktere je pod winxp nastaven rezim 10FD.Kdyz ovsem >> pripojim vsechyn moduly podle schematu RG85 50ohm kablikama do 1m, na >> vysilacich sice zacne svitit LED, na prijmacich namerim signal lehce pres >> 4V, bohuzel ale neprojde ani packet. >> Merici body se zdaji byt +- v poradku a nejsem proto bohuzel schopny >> nalezt chybu.JEstli tedy mate nejakej tipy cim by to mohlo byt, budu moc >> rad kdyz mi odpovite.Predem diky a pro upresneni jeste posilam hodnoty z >> mericich bodu : >> RX1: P1: 0 RX2: P1:0 >> P2: 4,97 P2:5 >> P3: 4,45 P3:4,48 >> P4: 4,97 P4:5 >> P5: 9,92 P5:9,95 >> P6: 2,93 P6:3,72 >> P7: 1,71@186mA P7:1,67@182mA >> P8: 4,98 P8:5,0 >> P9: 12,2 P9: 12,26 >> TX1: P101:11,5 TX2: P101:11,48 >> P102:3,55 P102:3,57 >> P103:0,01 P103:0,01 >> P104:7,42 P104:6,84 >> P105:4,62 P105:5,31 >> P106:4,78 P106:5,58 >> P107:4,xx P107:4,xx >> P108:11,49 P108:11,16 >> P109:4 P109:5,69 >> P110:12,2 P110:12,23 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kendy at hkfree.org Tue Jun 21 19:47:54 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Tue Jun 21 19:48:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <003601c57681$d6f66d60$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42AB196A.3050101@hkfree.org> <003601c57681$d6f66d60$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <42B860DA.7030507@hkfree.org> Musis tam mit nekde chybu v zapojeni ci odeslou soucastku, napr. ted sem postavil nove moduly na dalsi spoj (komplet RX TX TW) a makalo to na prvni zapojeni. Vse letovano mikropajkou s riditelnou teplotou... Plosnaky ti nevyresi (zrejme asi) chybu. Kendy HKfree Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > Tak to ze se data neprenaseli plnou rychlosti nezpusobovala sitovka > (vymenil jsem za 10mbit) ale krizeny kabel ktery jsem pouzil k propojeni > twisteru.to me dovedlo k tomu abych vymenil i rg58 kabliky ktery vedou > pres BNC na jednotlive moduly za predepsany 75ohm koax, nicmene to > nepomohlo , vzduchem mi proste neprojde ani packet a uz zacinam byt > zoufaly.Uvazuju o postaveni modulu taky na PCB a chci se tedy zeptat, > jestli nekdo ma 100% funkcni plosnaky na rx a tx pro klasicke soucastky > ?? (pokud mozno stejnou kvalitu jako twistr). Snad prechodem komplet na > PCB se povede neoc rozchodit.D. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendy - HKFree" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > >> Setkal jsem se uz pri opravovani cizich modulu, ze RSSI bylo nadherne >> a menilo se se silou signalu, ale neprosel ani bajtik (jak pises ty). >> Pricinou byly opacne naletovane tranzistory (prohozen C a E), ktere >> jsou zapojene na vystupu z modulu. Po jejich otoceni bylo vse v poradku. >> >> >> Kendy >> HKfree >> >> Pavel Srnka napsal(a): >> >>> Preji hezky den a prosim o pomoc s ozivovanim ronji.Situace je takovato: >>> Dva twistery PCB builded zdaji se funkcni po spojeni RX-TX a TX-RX >>> vodici a spojenim GND u obou. >>> Data se prenaseji, sice ne plnou rychlosti, ale to prisuzuji 100mbit >>> integrovane sitovce, u ktere je pod winxp nastaven rezim 10FD.Kdyz >>> ovsem pripojim vsechyn moduly podle schematu RG85 50ohm kablikama do >>> 1m, na vysilacich sice zacne svitit LED, na prijmacich namerim signal >>> lehce pres 4V, bohuzel ale neprojde ani packet. >>> Merici body se zdaji byt +- v poradku a nejsem proto bohuzel schopny >>> nalezt chybu.JEstli tedy mate nejakej tipy cim by to mohlo byt, budu >>> moc rad kdyz mi odpovite.Predem diky a pro upresneni jeste posilam >>> hodnoty z mericich bodu : >>> RX1: P1: 0 RX2: P1:0 >>> P2: 4,97 P2:5 >>> P3: 4,45 P3:4,48 >>> P4: 4,97 P4:5 >>> P5: 9,92 P5:9,95 >>> P6: 2,93 P6:3,72 >>> P7: 1,71@186mA P7:1,67@182mA >>> P8: 4,98 P8:5,0 >>> P9: 12,2 P9: 12,26 >>> TX1: P101:11,5 TX2: P101:11,48 >>> P102:3,55 P102:3,57 >>> P103:0,01 P103:0,01 >>> P104:7,42 P104:6,84 >>> P105:4,62 P105:5,31 >>> P106:4,78 P106:5,58 >>> P107:4,xx P107:4,xx >>> P108:11,49 P108:11,16 >>> P109:4 P109:5,69 >>> P110:12,2 P110:12,23 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 21 22:03:48 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Jun 21 22:04:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <003601c57681$d6f66d60$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42AB196A.3050101@hkfree.org> <003601c57681$d6f66d60$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <20050621210348.GA21793@kestrel> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 06:54:07PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > Tak to ze se data neprenaseli plnou rychlosti nezpusobovala sitovka > (vymenil jsem za 10mbit) ale krizeny kabel ktery jsem pouzil k propojeni > twisteru.to me dovedlo k tomu abych vymenil i rg58 kabliky ktery vedou pres > BNC na jednotlive moduly za predepsany 75ohm koax, nicmene to nepomohlo , > vzduchem mi proste neprojde ani packet a uz zacinam byt zoufaly.Uvazuju o > postaveni modulu taky na PCB a chci se tedy zeptat, jestli nekdo ma 100% > funkcni plosnaky na rx a tx pro klasicke soucastky ?? (pokud mozno stejnou > kvalitu jako twistr). Snad prechodem komplet na PCB se povede neoc > rozchodit.D. A provedl jsi vsechny ty opicarny s kontrolou zapojeni, merenim mericich bodu atd.? CL< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Jun 21 22:10:10 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Jun 21 22:15:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <42B6DFF3.2030709@seznam.cz> References: <20050620134642.GA17496@kestrel> Message-ID: <42B89E52.27242.751891@localhost> No nemuzu si pomoct ale ja to testuju 50cm dlouhym UTPckem a bez problemu. Spojil jsem vsechny 4 vyvody, tj. napjim jen jeden twister a jede to. Zapojeni konektoru je: 1 - 1 *zkrouceno s * 2 - 3 * 3 - 2 ** zkrouceno s ** 4 - 4 ** a to vse zkrouceno dohromady. No a jestli jsi to mel jednim parem UTP, tak se nedivim. Zem se propojit musi. > jj pozor na delku tech kabliku, ne vic nez 20-30 cm a taky pozor nesmi > to byt kroucena dvojlinka... :( ja to zkousel s 1 parem z UTP a nejelo > to...a kdyz sem to rozmotal tak vpohode... > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > >On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:19:11PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: > > > > > >>Chcel by som sa spytat kde moze byt problem ked zapnem twister na > >>napajanie tak svieti zlta LED cize napajanie je v poriadku skusal som > >>aj cez LINUX loopback ten mi tiez fungoval ale ked som ich prepojil > >>medzi seba tak uz to nefungovalo prichadzal len 1 packet za sekundu v > >>LOOPbacku prichadzali 2 x za sekundu..... > >> > >> > > > >A nebyly propojeni mezi Twistery udelane nejak nekvalitne? > > > >CL< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Jun 21 22:44:17 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Jun 21 22:44:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Holes for heel In-Reply-To: <20050621125254.GA4320@kestrel> References: <20050621105926.GA8176@feanor> <20050621125254.GA4320@kestrel> Message-ID: <20050621214417.GD11681@feanor> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 02:52:54PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 12:59:26PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > > Hello > > > > Heel on 130mm tubular head has six holes for mounting. > > On page http://ronja.twibright.com/tubular_head_130/building.php > > there is table 'Drilling out the pipe'. Only two holes for heel > > mounting are in this table. I don't understnad to which holes > > i should mound hood in paragraph 'Attaching hood's sides'. > > I have just checked the abovementioned URL and the heel plan shows 5 > holes and the table shows 5 holes too. > > CL< Oops, replace heel with hood in my email. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From xpowersa at seznam.cz Wed Jun 22 05:26:06 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Wed Jun 22 05:26:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <42B89E52.27242.751891@localhost> References: <20050620134642.GA17496@kestrel> <42B89E52.27242.751891@localhost> Message-ID: <42B8E85E.8070604@seznam.cz> zem se propojenou mel... to je jasny... ale proste kdyz to bylo zkroucene tak tam byly strasne ztraty a nebo to nejelo vubec.. tak samo mi to dela i kdyz to uz mam namontovane na strese a ty 2 koaxy co dou do twistra z tubusu slepim k sobe treba izolepou... neprojde ani jeden paket akdyz ty koaxy od sebe oddelim tak vpohode.. Petr Seliger napsal(a): >No nemuzu si pomoct ale ja to testuju 50cm dlouhym UTPckem a >bez problemu. Spojil jsem vsechny 4 vyvody, tj. napjim jen jeden >twister a jede to. Zapojeni konektoru je: >1 - 1 *zkrouceno s * >2 - 3 * >3 - 2 ** zkrouceno s ** >4 - 4 ** >a to vse zkrouceno dohromady. > >No a jestli jsi to mel jednim parem UTP, tak se nedivim. Zem se >propojit musi. > > > >>jj pozor na delku tech kabliku, ne vic nez 20-30 cm a taky pozor nesmi >>to byt kroucena dvojlinka... :( ja to zkousel s 1 parem z UTP a nejelo >>to...a kdyz sem to rozmotal tak vpohode... >> >>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >> >> >> >>>On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:19:11PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Chcel by som sa spytat kde moze byt problem ked zapnem twister na >>>>napajanie tak svieti zlta LED cize napajanie je v poriadku skusal som >>>>aj cez LINUX loopback ten mi tiez fungoval ale ked som ich prepojil >>>>medzi seba tak uz to nefungovalo prichadzal len 1 packet za sekundu v >>>>LOOPbacku prichadzali 2 x za sekundu..... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>A nebyly propojeni mezi Twistery udelane nejak nekvalitne? >>> >>>CL< >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1150 (20050621) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jun 22 06:42:04 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Jun 22 06:47:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <42B8E85E.8070604@seznam.cz> References: <42B89E52.27242.751891@localhost> Message-ID: <42B9164C.23480.39C12@localhost> A to mas jakou konstrukci RXu a twisteru? Normalni je kdyz se zkrouti koaxy tak to jede nejlip a nejmin to rusi televizi. Druha vec je ze nejde zkroutit dvojlinku RX,TX ale v?dy TX+GND a RX+12V. > zem se propojenou mel... to je jasny... ale proste kdyz to bylo > zkroucene tak tam byly strasne ztraty a nebo to nejelo vubec.. > tak samo mi to dela i kdyz to uz mam namontovane na strese a ty 2 koaxy > co dou do twistra z tubusu slepim k sobe treba izolepou... neprojde ani > jeden paket akdyz ty koaxy od sebe oddelim tak vpohode.. > > Petr Seliger napsal(a): > > >No nemuzu si pomoct ale ja to testuju 50cm dlouhym UTPckem a > >bez problemu. Spojil jsem vsechny 4 vyvody, tj. napjim jen jeden > >twister a jede to. Zapojeni konektoru je: > >1 - 1 *zkrouceno s * > >2 - 3 * > >3 - 2 ** zkrouceno s ** > >4 - 4 ** > >a to vse zkrouceno dohromady. > > > >No a jestli jsi to mel jednim parem UTP, tak se nedivim. Zem se > >propojit musi. > > > > > > > >>jj pozor na delku tech kabliku, ne vic nez 20-30 cm a taky pozor nesmi > >>to byt kroucena dvojlinka... :( ja to zkousel s 1 parem z UTP a nejelo > >>to...a kdyz sem to rozmotal tak vpohode... > >> > >>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:19:11PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Chcel by som sa spytat kde moze byt problem ked zapnem twister na > >>>>napajanie tak svieti zlta LED cize napajanie je v poriadku skusal som > >>>>aj cez LINUX loopback ten mi tiez fungoval ale ked som ich prepojil > >>>>medzi seba tak uz to nefungovalo prichadzal len 1 packet za sekundu v > >>>>LOOPbacku prichadzali 2 x za sekundu..... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>A nebyly propojeni mezi Twistery udelane nejak nekvalitne? > >>> > >>>CL< > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1150 (20050621) __________ > > > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Wed Jun 22 09:06:43 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Wed Jun 22 09:06:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <001401c56e9b$c762e2e0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><42AB196A.3050101@hkfree.org><003601c57681$d6f66d60$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050621210348.GA21793@kestrel> Message-ID: <001801c57701$53c59ee0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> provedl , dokonce jsem vysledky mereni uvedl v mailing listu, zda se to byt +- v poradku , zapojeni jsem taky kontroloval nekolikrat ale tezko rict , treba jeden vysilac jsem stavel nadvakrat , za ten jeden bych dal ruku do ohne , ze byl spravne, ale nemakal , druhy jsem postavil s usporadanim soucastek presne podle kusu ktery mi uz makal a najednou to fungovalo, proto si mylsim ze by mi kvalitne navrzeny PBC mohl pomoct :/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 06:54:07PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >> Tak to ze se data neprenaseli plnou rychlosti nezpusobovala sitovka >> (vymenil jsem za 10mbit) ale krizeny kabel ktery jsem pouzil k propojeni >> twisteru.to me dovedlo k tomu abych vymenil i rg58 kabliky ktery vedou >> pres >> BNC na jednotlive moduly za predepsany 75ohm koax, nicmene to nepomohlo , >> vzduchem mi proste neprojde ani packet a uz zacinam byt zoufaly.Uvazuju o >> postaveni modulu taky na PCB a chci se tedy zeptat, jestli nekdo ma 100% >> funkcni plosnaky na rx a tx pro klasicke soucastky ?? (pokud mozno >> stejnou >> kvalitu jako twistr). Snad prechodem komplet na PCB se povede neoc >> rozchodit.D. > > A provedl jsi vsechny ty opicarny s kontrolou zapojeni, merenim mericich > bodu atd.? > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 22 09:33:47 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 22 09:34:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Holes for heel In-Reply-To: <20050621214417.GD11681@feanor> References: <20050621105926.GA8176@feanor> <20050621125254.GA4320@kestrel> <20050621214417.GD11681@feanor> Message-ID: <20050622083347.GA26278@kestrel> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 11:44:17PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 02:52:54PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 12:59:26PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > > > Hello > > > > > > Heel on 130mm tubular head has six holes for mounting. > > > On page http://ronja.twibright.com/tubular_head_130/building.php > > > there is table 'Drilling out the pipe'. Only two holes for heel > > > mounting are in this table. I don't understnad to which holes > > > i should mound hood in paragraph 'Attaching hood's sides'. > > > > I have just checked the abovementioned URL and the heel plan shows 5 > > holes and the table shows 5 holes too. > > > > CL< > > Oops, replace heel with hood in my email. The hood has 2 holes and pipe 6 holse for hood. The remaining 4 holes\ are drilled through during mounting to ensure exact match. CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 22 09:34:48 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 22 09:35:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <42B8E85E.8070604@seznam.cz> References: <20050620134642.GA17496@kestrel> <42B89E52.27242.751891@localhost> <42B8E85E.8070604@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050622083448.GB26278@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 06:26:06AM +0200, Austin wrote: > zem se propojenou mel... to je jasny... ale proste kdyz to bylo > zkroucene tak tam byly strasne ztraty a nebo to nejelo vubec.. > tak samo mi to dela i kdyz to uz mam namontovane na strese a ty 2 koaxy > co dou do twistra z tubusu slepim k sobe treba izolepou... neprojde ani > jeden paket akdyz ty koaxy od sebe oddelim tak vpohode.. The hing with coaxes and tape shouldn't occur.\ Do you have RX and TX on airwire or on some PCB's? CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 22 09:35:49 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 22 09:36:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <42B9164C.23480.39C12@localhost> References: <42B89E52.27242.751891@localhost> <42B9164C.23480.39C12@localhost> Message-ID: <20050622083549.GC26278@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 07:42:04AM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > A to mas jakou konstrukci RXu a twisteru? > Normalni je kdyz se zkrouti koaxy tak to jede nejlip a nejmin to rusi > televizi. Druha vec je ze nejde zkroutit dvojlinku RX,TX ale v?dy I have *almost* built a Twister here, so soon I will be able to finally hook it up to a scope and find the source of interference being sent over the coax shields :) CL< From lopette at pg21.org Wed Jun 22 13:11:32 2005 From: lopette at pg21.org (lopette@pg21.org) Date: Wed Jun 22 13:11:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA beginner has questions... Message-ID: <1119442292.15367@pg21.org> Hi My name's Dave and I'm from Lausanne (Switzerland). I stumbled on RONJA from the saitis.ch website, who own such a device around town. Before I start building my own RONJA, there are a few things I'd like to understand about the differents parts. TWISTER seems complicated.. what exactly does it do, and why? could we possibly replace most of the electronics by a microcontroller? 10M_RECEIVER why is it separated in 3 ground-isolated compartments? METROPOLIS TRANSMITTER can't Q1-Q2 be replaced with an OP amp, and U1,U2,U3 with an appropriate transistor? I'm doing an apprenticeship in electronics. When my work mates (and boss too) saw the pictures of the airwire builds, they laughed their asses out. Doesn't work with standard PCB-like building ? (considering we shield the thing as required) Also, what type of signal can I expect at each of the test points (Pxx)? Thanks for any answer you can provide, and special thanks to Clock for the design because it just kicks ass. From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Wed Jun 22 13:34:58 2005 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz) Date: Wed Jun 22 13:35:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Taveni tacku Message-ID: <200506221434.2422@centrum.cz> Tady se podivejte co umi slunicko pri zapadu, nastesti nebyla zranena zadna kremikova soucastka, jen se prijimac i vysilac mirne vychylily z ohniska. http://www.chrudim2000.cz/genesis/digifoto WoiTa From radus at avtograd.ru Wed Jun 22 16:43:13 2005 From: radus at avtograd.ru (Alexander Sudarkin) Date: Wed Jun 22 15:43:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] On-floor distance bpw43 Message-ID: <109333355265.20050622194313@avtograd.ru> Hello ronja! I make receiver on PCB with photodiode BPW43. http://www.lazerlink.ru/1/radus/photo/1024/rxp05.jpg With transmitter on LED HPWT, receiver worked about 80cm, and RSSI show 30 mV. But transmitter on Infra-LED TSFF5200, receiver worked about 2 meters! It is a normal result for a receiver, or not ? There can be my led is not BD00-E4000, but BD00-00000 or BH00-H4000? What distance should be with led BD00-00000 or BH00-H4000? Test-points my receiver: P110 - 11,71 v P101 - 11,1 v P102 - 3,76 v P103 - 0,1 mV P104 - 5,49 v P105 - 5,54 v Transistor BF998 smd. Bye! Radus http://smashnet.nm.ru mailto:radus@avtograd.ru From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Wed Jun 22 16:22:21 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Jun 22 16:22:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Taveni tacku Message-ID: <200506221722.11808@centrum.cz> no jooo a mel si tam stitek? hold nemas pouzivat plastove kolecka :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 22.06.2005 14:35 > P=F8edm=ECt: [Ronja] Taveni tacku > > Tady se podivejte co umi slunicko pri zapadu, nastesti nebyla zranena > zadna kremikova soucastka, jen se prijimac i vysilac mirne vychylily = z > ohniska. >=20 > http://www.chrudim2000.cz/genesis/digifoto >=20 > WoiTa >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From xpowersa at seznam.cz Wed Jun 22 17:38:06 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Wed Jun 22 17:38:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <42B9164C.23480.39C12@localhost> References: <42B89E52.27242.751891@localhost> <42B9164C.23480.39C12@localhost> Message-ID: <42B993EE.9090208@seznam.cz> no vsecko mam standartni, Tx i Rx mam airwire a twistra na plosnaku, akurat neni v stinene krabicce ale je v obycejne plastove.. ale to snad na to vliv nema... no a ja prave kdyz zkroutim koaxy, tak me to nejede vubec... s tim sem zadrbal mesic, nez sem prisel na to proc mi to na strese nejelo.. respektive jelo ale s obrovskym PL.. a to sem mel ty koaxy pouze v plastove chranicce o prumeru zhruba 3 cm..pak sem na to prisel a u druheho spoje se mi to potvrdilo protoze to delalo to same (nebylo to sice uz v chranicce, ale koaxy byli k sobe oblepene izolepou- a takhle to nejelo vubec).... Petr Seliger napsal(a): >A to mas jakou konstrukci RXu a twisteru? >Normalni je kdyz se zkrouti koaxy tak to jede nejlip a nejmin to rusi >televizi. Druha vec je ze nejde zkroutit dvojlinku RX,TX ale vdy >TX+GND a RX+12V. > > > >>zem se propojenou mel... to je jasny... ale proste kdyz to bylo >>zkroucene tak tam byly strasne ztraty a nebo to nejelo vubec.. >>tak samo mi to dela i kdyz to uz mam namontovane na strese a ty 2 koaxy >>co dou do twistra z tubusu slepim k sobe treba izolepou... neprojde ani >>jeden paket akdyz ty koaxy od sebe oddelim tak vpohode.. >> >>Petr Seliger napsal(a): >> >> >> >>>No nemuzu si pomoct ale ja to testuju 50cm dlouhym UTPckem a >>>bez problemu. Spojil jsem vsechny 4 vyvody, tj. napjim jen jeden >>>twister a jede to. Zapojeni konektoru je: >>>1 - 1 *zkrouceno s * >>>2 - 3 * >>>3 - 2 ** zkrouceno s ** >>>4 - 4 ** >>>a to vse zkrouceno dohromady. >>> >>>No a jestli jsi to mel jednim parem UTP, tak se nedivim. Zem se >>>propojit musi. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>jj pozor na delku tech kabliku, ne vic nez 20-30 cm a taky pozor nesmi >>>>to byt kroucena dvojlinka... :( ja to zkousel s 1 parem z UTP a nejelo >>>>to...a kdyz sem to rozmotal tak vpohode... >>>> >>>>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:19:11PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Chcel by som sa spytat kde moze byt problem ked zapnem twister na >>>>>>napajanie tak svieti zlta LED cize napajanie je v poriadku skusal som >>>>>>aj cez LINUX loopback ten mi tiez fungoval ale ked som ich prepojil >>>>>>medzi seba tak uz to nefungovalo prichadzal len 1 packet za sekundu v >>>>>>LOOPbacku prichadzali 2 x za sekundu..... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>A nebyly propojeni mezi Twistery udelane nejak nekvalitne? >>>>> >>>>>CL< >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>>__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1150 (20050621) __________ >>> >>>Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >>>http://www.nod32.cz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1150 (20050621) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jun 22 21:07:01 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Jun 22 21:07:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <42B993EE.9090208@seznam.cz> References: <42B89E52.27242.751891@localhost> <42B9164C.23480.39C12@localhost> <42B993EE.9090208@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1119470821.42b9c4e506d86@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> A mohl bys jeste poskytnout fotku toho RX? Neco takoveho delaly levne koaxy na satelit co maji misto opleteni jen folii a par tenkych dratku a v RXu je cicka bez feritoveho jadra a par dalsich prasaren. Pak ten RX vesele kmita a kmitocet silne zavisi na pripojene konfiguraci kabelu. > no vsecko mam standartni, Tx i Rx mam airwire a twistra na plosnaku, > akurat neni v stinene krabicce ale je v obycejne plastove.. ale to snad > na to vliv nema... > no a ja prave kdyz zkroutim koaxy, tak me to nejede vubec... s tim sem > zadrbal mesic, nez sem prisel na to proc mi to na strese nejelo.. > respektive jelo ale s obrovskym PL.. > a to sem mel ty koaxy pouze v plastove chranicce o prumeru zhruba 3 > cm..pak sem na to prisel a u druheho spoje se mi to potvrdilo protoze to > delalo to same > (nebylo to sice uz v chranicce, ale koaxy byli k sobe oblepene izolepou- > a takhle to nejelo vubec).... > > Petr Seliger napsal(a): > > >A to mas jakou konstrukci RXu a twisteru? > >Normalni je kdyz se zkrouti koaxy tak to jede nejlip a nejmin to rusi > >televizi. Druha vec je ze nejde zkroutit dvojlinku RX,TX ale vdy > >TX+GND a RX+12V. > > > > > > > >>zem se propojenou mel... to je jasny... ale proste kdyz to bylo > >>zkroucene tak tam byly strasne ztraty a nebo to nejelo vubec.. > >>tak samo mi to dela i kdyz to uz mam namontovane na strese a ty 2 koaxy > >>co dou do twistra z tubusu slepim k sobe treba izolepou... neprojde ani > >>jeden paket akdyz ty koaxy od sebe oddelim tak vpohode.. > >> > >>Petr Seliger napsal(a): > >> > >> > >> > >>>No nemuzu si pomoct ale ja to testuju 50cm dlouhym UTPckem a > >>>bez problemu. Spojil jsem vsechny 4 vyvody, tj. napjim jen jeden > >>>twister a jede to. Zapojeni konektoru je: > >>>1 - 1 *zkrouceno s * > >>>2 - 3 * > >>>3 - 2 ** zkrouceno s ** > >>>4 - 4 ** > >>>a to vse zkrouceno dohromady. > >>> > >>>No a jestli jsi to mel jednim parem UTP, tak se nedivim. Zem se > >>>propojit musi. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>jj pozor na delku tech kabliku, ne vic nez 20-30 cm a taky pozor nesmi > >>>>to byt kroucena dvojlinka... :( ja to zkousel s 1 parem z UTP a nejelo > >>>>to...a kdyz sem to rozmotal tak vpohode... > >>>> > >>>>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:19:11PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Chcel by som sa spytat kde moze byt problem ked zapnem twister na > >>>>>>napajanie tak svieti zlta LED cize napajanie je v poriadku skusal > som > >>>>>>aj cez LINUX loopback ten mi tiez fungoval ale ked som ich prepojil > >>>>>>medzi seba tak uz to nefungovalo prichadzal len 1 packet za sekundu v > >>>>>>LOOPbacku prichadzali 2 x za sekundu..... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From xpowersa at seznam.cz Wed Jun 22 21:25:17 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Wed Jun 22 21:31:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <1119470821.42b9c4e506d86@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <42B89E52.27242.751891@localhost> <42B9164C.23480.39C12@localhost> <42B993EE.9090208@seznam.cz> <1119470821.42b9c4e506d86@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42B9C92D.6050009@seznam.cz> no fotku ted zadnou nemam a zadne Rx ted doma spajene bohuzel nemam.. a k te civce. tam musi byt feritove jadro ? odkdy ? to sem si nak nevsim ze by ho tam nekdo daval aspon podle fotek a v navodu pokud se nemylim to taky snad ani neni psane..(kdyztak me opravte :o)) jo a koax zrejme je asi obycejny no.. zitra vyfotim koax, dneska se mi uz nechce :) ale v zasade to je asi ten co si napsal ("jen folii apar tenkych dratku"). Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): >A mohl bys jeste poskytnout fotku toho RX? >Neco takoveho delaly levne koaxy na satelit co maji misto opleteni jen folii a >par tenkych dratku a v RXu je cicka bez feritoveho jadra a par dalsich prasaren. >Pak ten RX vesele kmita a kmitocet silne zavisi na pripojene konfiguraci kabelu. > > > > >>no vsecko mam standartni, Tx i Rx mam airwire a twistra na plosnaku, >>akurat neni v stinene krabicce ale je v obycejne plastove.. ale to snad >>na to vliv nema... >>no a ja prave kdyz zkroutim koaxy, tak me to nejede vubec... s tim sem >>zadrbal mesic, nez sem prisel na to proc mi to na strese nejelo.. >>respektive jelo ale s obrovskym PL.. >>a to sem mel ty koaxy pouze v plastove chranicce o prumeru zhruba 3 >>cm..pak sem na to prisel a u druheho spoje se mi to potvrdilo protoze to >>delalo to same >>(nebylo to sice uz v chranicce, ale koaxy byli k sobe oblepene izolepou- >>a takhle to nejelo vubec).... >> >>Petr Seliger napsal(a): >> >> >> >>>A to mas jakou konstrukci RXu a twisteru? >>>Normalni je kdyz se zkrouti koaxy tak to jede nejlip a nejmin to rusi >>>televizi. Druha vec je ze nejde zkroutit dvojlinku RX,TX ale vdy >>>TX+GND a RX+12V. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>zem se propojenou mel... to je jasny... ale proste kdyz to bylo >>>>zkroucene tak tam byly strasne ztraty a nebo to nejelo vubec.. >>>>tak samo mi to dela i kdyz to uz mam namontovane na strese a ty 2 koaxy >>>>co dou do twistra z tubusu slepim k sobe treba izolepou... neprojde ani >>>>jeden paket akdyz ty koaxy od sebe oddelim tak vpohode.. >>>> >>>>Petr Seliger napsal(a): >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>No nemuzu si pomoct ale ja to testuju 50cm dlouhym UTPckem a >>>>>bez problemu. Spojil jsem vsechny 4 vyvody, tj. napjim jen jeden >>>>>twister a jede to. Zapojeni konektoru je: >>>>>1 - 1 *zkrouceno s * >>>>>2 - 3 * >>>>>3 - 2 ** zkrouceno s ** >>>>>4 - 4 ** >>>>>a to vse zkrouceno dohromady. >>>>> >>>>>No a jestli jsi to mel jednim parem UTP, tak se nedivim. Zem se >>>>>propojit musi. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>jj pozor na delku tech kabliku, ne vic nez 20-30 cm a taky pozor nesmi >>>>>>to byt kroucena dvojlinka... :( ja to zkousel s 1 parem z UTP a nejelo >>>>>>to...a kdyz sem to rozmotal tak vpohode... >>>>>> >>>>>>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:19:11PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Chcel by som sa spytat kde moze byt problem ked zapnem twister na >>>>>>>>napajanie tak svieti zlta LED cize napajanie je v poriadku skusal >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>som >> >> >>>>>>>>aj cez LINUX loopback ten mi tiez fungoval ale ked som ich prepojil >>>>>>>>medzi seba tak uz to nefungovalo prichadzal len 1 packet za sekundu v >>>>>>>>LOOPbacku prichadzali 2 x za sekundu..... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1150 (20050621) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 22 21:55:21 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 22 22:18:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <42B993EE.9090208@seznam.cz> References: <42B89E52.27242.751891@localhost> <42B9164C.23480.39C12@localhost> <42B993EE.9090208@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050622205521.GA8451@kestrel.twibright.com> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 06:38:06PM +0200, Austin wrote: > no vsecko mam standartni, Tx i Rx mam airwire a twistra na plosnaku, > akurat neni v stinene krabicce ale je v obycejne plastove.. ale to snad > na to vliv nema... Ma. CL< > no a ja prave kdyz zkroutim koaxy, tak me to nejede vubec... s tim sem > zadrbal mesic, nez sem prisel na to proc mi to na strese nejelo.. > respektive jelo ale s obrovskym PL.. > a to sem mel ty koaxy pouze v plastove chranicce o prumeru zhruba 3 > cm..pak sem na to prisel a u druheho spoje se mi to potvrdilo protoze to > delalo to same > (nebylo to sice uz v chranicce, ale koaxy byli k sobe oblepene izolepou- > a takhle to nejelo vubec).... > > Petr Seliger napsal(a): > > >A to mas jakou konstrukci RXu a twisteru? > >Normalni je kdyz se zkrouti koaxy tak to jede nejlip a nejmin to rusi > >televizi. Druha vec je ze nejde zkroutit dvojlinku RX,TX ale vdy > >TX+GND a RX+12V. > > > > > > > >>zem se propojenou mel... to je jasny... ale proste kdyz to bylo > >>zkroucene tak tam byly strasne ztraty a nebo to nejelo vubec.. > >>tak samo mi to dela i kdyz to uz mam namontovane na strese a ty 2 koaxy > >>co dou do twistra z tubusu slepim k sobe treba izolepou... neprojde ani > >>jeden paket akdyz ty koaxy od sebe oddelim tak vpohode.. > >> > >>Petr Seliger napsal(a): > >> > >> > >> > >>>No nemuzu si pomoct ale ja to testuju 50cm dlouhym UTPckem a > >>>bez problemu. Spojil jsem vsechny 4 vyvody, tj. napjim jen jeden > >>>twister a jede to. Zapojeni konektoru je: > >>>1 - 1 *zkrouceno s * > >>>2 - 3 * > >>>3 - 2 ** zkrouceno s ** > >>>4 - 4 ** > >>>a to vse zkrouceno dohromady. > >>> > >>>No a jestli jsi to mel jednim parem UTP, tak se nedivim. Zem se > >>>propojit musi. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>jj pozor na delku tech kabliku, ne vic nez 20-30 cm a taky pozor nesmi > >>>>to byt kroucena dvojlinka... :( ja to zkousel s 1 parem z UTP a nejelo > >>>>to...a kdyz sem to rozmotal tak vpohode... > >>>> > >>>>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:19:11PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Chcel by som sa spytat kde moze byt problem ked zapnem twister na > >>>>>>napajanie tak svieti zlta LED cize napajanie je v poriadku skusal som > >>>>>>aj cez LINUX loopback ten mi tiez fungoval ale ked som ich prepojil > >>>>>>medzi seba tak uz to nefungovalo prichadzal len 1 packet za sekundu v > >>>>>>LOOPbacku prichadzali 2 x za sekundu..... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>A nebyly propojeni mezi Twistery udelane nejak nekvalitne? > >>>>> > >>>>>CL< > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>>__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1150 (20050621) __________ > >>> > >>>Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > >>>http://www.nod32.cz > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1150 (20050621) __________ > > > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Jun 22 23:25:17 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Jun 22 23:25:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface Message-ID: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dneska jsem konecne poslal data vyrobci desek a tak bych do dvou tydnu mel mit osazenou "definitivni" verzi 2. Verze 1 byla ta zkusebni. V pripade, ze se ukaze jako 100% funkcni, zverejnim vykresy desek a dotahnu zverejneni verilog zdrojaku. Ukol c. 1 je ted pro mne dodelat do prijimace SQUELCH, tj. obvod umlceni vystupu pokud je RSSI mensi nez nastavene minimum. Tato funkce s navaznosti na navrh spidera, ktery, kdyz nebude mit od RX idle signal, prestane do TP vysilat link pulsy, je dulezita pro BGP router, ktery pouze na zaklade toho muze pri vypadku opticke linky aktivovat zalozni trasu (dosud, kdyz napr. diky mlze spoj umre, router povazuje spoj za funkcni, pouze tichy a tak nema duvod presmerovavat data jinam). Jakub Ladman From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Jun 23 07:43:38 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Thu Jun 23 07:43:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface References: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002701c577be$e3268050$0103450a@thechosen> no zaplat panbuch ze se takhle quagga nechova :) glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:25 AM Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface > Dneska jsem konecne poslal data vyrobci desek a tak bych do dvou tydnu mel mit > osazenou "definitivni" verzi 2. > Verze 1 byla ta zkusebni. > V pripade, ze se ukaze jako 100% funkcni, zverejnim vykresy desek a dotahnu > zverejneni verilog zdrojaku. > Ukol c. 1 je ted pro mne dodelat do prijimace SQUELCH, tj. obvod umlceni > vystupu pokud je RSSI mensi nez nastavene minimum. > Tato funkce s navaznosti na navrh spidera, ktery, kdyz nebude mit od RX idle > signal, prestane do TP vysilat link pulsy, je dulezita pro BGP router, ktery > pouze na zaklade toho muze pri vypadku opticke linky aktivovat zalozni trasu > (dosud, kdyz napr. diky mlze spoj umre, router povazuje spoj za funkcni, > pouze tichy a tak nema duvod presmerovavat data jinam). > Jakub Ladman > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu Jun 23 08:04:24 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Jun 23 08:04:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface Message-ID: <200506230904.454@centrum.cz> no hurrraaaa ... tak doufam ze soucastky na twistra co sem kupil vcera = uz byly posledni! :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: ladmanj@volny.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 23.06.2005 00:25 > P=F8edm=ECt: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface > > Dneska jsem konecne poslal data vyrobci desek a tak bych do dvou tydn= u mel > mit=20 > osazenou "definitivni" verzi 2. > Verze 1 byla ta zkusebni. > V pripade, ze se ukaze jako 100% funkcni, zverejnim vykresy desek a > dotahnu=20 > zverejneni verilog zdrojaku. > Ukol c. 1 je ted pro mne dodelat do prijimace SQUELCH, tj. obvod umlc= eni=20 > vystupu pokud je RSSI mensi nez nastavene minimum. > Tato funkce s navaznosti na navrh spidera, ktery, kdyz nebude mit od = RX > idle=20 > signal, prestane do TP vysilat link pulsy, je dulezita pro BGP router= , > ktery=20 > pouze na zaklade toho muze pri vypadku opticke linky aktivovat zalozn= i > trasu=20 > (dosud, kdyz napr. diky mlze spoj umre, router povazuje spoj za funkc= ni,=20 > pouze tichy a tak nema duvod presmerovavat data jinam). > Jakub Ladman >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 23 08:09:31 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 23 08:10:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA beginner has questions... In-Reply-To: <1119442292.15367@pg21.org> References: <1119442292.15367@pg21.org> Message-ID: <20050623070931.GA13222@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 02:11:32PM +0200, lopette@pg21.org wrote: > Hi > > My name's Dave and I'm from Lausanne (Switzerland). I stumbled on RONJA from the saitis.ch website, who own such a device around town. Before I start building my own RONJA, there are a few things I'd like to understand about the differents parts. > > TWISTER > seems complicated.. what exactly does it do, and why? could we > possibly replace most of the electronics by a microcontroller? No. But it's not complicated. The board was reported to be populated in one man-hour. > > 10M_RECEIVER > why is it separated in 3 ground-isolated compartments? Because of high frequency issues. It has to be very sensitive. > > METROPOLIS TRANSMITTER > can't Q1-Q2 be replaced with an OP amp, and U1,U2,U3 with an > appropriate transistor? No, OP amp is too slow. I tried to replace U1-2 with transistor without success. > > I'm doing an apprenticeship in electronics. When my work mates (and > boss too) saw the pictures of the airwire builds, they laughed their > asses out. Doesn't work with standard PCB-like building ? (considering > we shield the thing as required) No it doesn't. People has tried several times and the performance of PCB was always very mediocre. As soon as I get to it, I'll design a PCB. It looks like it needs great care in design. I have already designed PCB TX which is prepared for release: http://ronja.twibright.com/get_better.php > > Also, what type of signal can I expect at each of the test points (Pxx)? That varies. > > Thanks for any answer you can provide, and special thanks to Clock for > the design because it just kicks ass. Hehe thanks. CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 23 08:19:36 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 23 08:20:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface In-Reply-To: <002701c577be$e3268050$0103450a@thechosen> References: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002701c577be$e3268050$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20050623071936.GA13620@kestrel> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:25 AM Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface > Dneska jsem konecne poslal data vyrobci desek a tak bych do dvou tydnu mel mit > osazenou "definitivni" verzi 2. > Verze 1 byla ta zkusebni. > V pripade, ze se ukaze jako 100% funkcni, zverejnim vykresy desek a dotahnu > zverejneni verilog zdrojaku. > Ukol c. 1 je ted pro mne dodelat do prijimace SQUELCH, tj. obvod umlceni > vystupu pokud je RSSI mensi nez nastavene minimum. > Tato funkce s navaznosti na navrh spidera, ktery, kdyz nebude mit od RX idle > signal, prestane do TP vysilat link pulsy, je dulezita pro BGP router, ktery > pouze na zaklade toho muze pri vypadku opticke linky aktivovat zalozni trasu > (dosud, kdyz napr. diky mlze spoj umre, router povazuje spoj za funkcni, > pouze tichy a tak nema duvod presmerovavat data jinam). This won't work - if you have low signal, the RX idle is still detected well and data don't go through. You would have to measure jitter and if goes over some borderline, bring the link down. Which I don't know how can be easily measured. CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 23 08:20:09 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 23 08:21:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <001801c57701$53c59ee0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <20050621210348.GA21793@kestrel> <001801c57701$53c59ee0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <20050623072009.GB13620@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 10:06:43AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > provedl , dokonce jsem vysledky mereni uvedl v mailing listu, zda se to byt > +- v poradku , zapojeni jsem taky kontroloval nekolikrat ale tezko rict , > treba jeden vysilac jsem stavel nadvakrat , za ten jeden bych dal ruku do > ohne , ze byl spravne, ale nemakal , druhy jsem postavil s usporadanim > soucastek presne podle kusu ktery mi uz makal a najednou to fungovalo, > proto si mylsim ze by mi kvalitne navrzeny PBC mohl pomoct :/ Hm, tak posli fotky. Treba z nich budu schopen neco vydumat. CL< > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > >On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 06:54:07PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > >>Tak to ze se data neprenaseli plnou rychlosti nezpusobovala sitovka > >>(vymenil jsem za 10mbit) ale krizeny kabel ktery jsem pouzil k propojeni > >>twisteru.to me dovedlo k tomu abych vymenil i rg58 kabliky ktery vedou > >>pres > >>BNC na jednotlive moduly za predepsany 75ohm koax, nicmene to nepomohlo , > >>vzduchem mi proste neprojde ani packet a uz zacinam byt zoufaly.Uvazuju o > >>postaveni modulu taky na PCB a chci se tedy zeptat, jestli nekdo ma 100% > >>funkcni plosnaky na rx a tx pro klasicke soucastky ?? (pokud mozno > >>stejnou > >>kvalitu jako twistr). Snad prechodem komplet na PCB se povede neoc > >>rozchodit.D. > > > >A provedl jsi vsechny ty opicarny s kontrolou zapojeni, merenim mericich > >bodu atd.? > > > >CL< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 23 08:26:17 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 23 08:27:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Taveni tacku In-Reply-To: <200506221722.11808@centrum.cz> References: <200506221722.11808@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050623072617.GC13620@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 05:22:21PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > no jooo a mel si tam stitek? hold nemas pouzivat plastove kolecka :) To by nepomohlo - tam na kraji je to protaveny i kdyz je plocha (okraj) skoro kolmo k prichazejicim paprskum -> musela byt natavena i trubka, ne? CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 23 08:30:41 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 23 08:31:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] On-floor distance bpw43 In-Reply-To: <109333355265.20050622194313@avtograd.ru> References: <109333355265.20050622194313@avtograd.ru> Message-ID: <20050623073041.GD13620@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 07:43:13PM +0400, Alexander Sudarkin wrote: > Hello ronja! > > I make receiver on PCB with photodiode BPW43. > http://www.lazerlink.ru/1/radus/photo/1024/rxp05.jpg > > With transmitter on LED HPWT, receiver worked about 80cm, and RSSI > show 30 mV. Is 80cm the maximum distance? It's too low. > But transmitter on Infra-LED TSFF5200, receiver worked about 2 meters! That's normal. That's due to different diode geometry. > > It is a normal result for a receiver, or not ? > There can be my led is not BD00-E4000, but BD00-00000 or BH00-H4000? > What distance should be with led BD00-00000 or BH00-H4000? For E4000 it's written in the guide and for others you can find launch intensity in Fig. 10. http://ronja.twibright.com/msmt/gains.ps http://ronja.twibright.com/msmt/gains.pdf Take the difference in decibels, halve it and recompute to numeric ratio. This will tell you the reduction in on-floor distance. CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 23 08:35:28 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 23 08:36:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Twister In-Reply-To: <42B9C92D.6050009@seznam.cz> References: <42B89E52.27242.751891@localhost> <42B9164C.23480.39C12@localhost> <42B993EE.9090208@seznam.cz> <1119470821.42b9c4e506d86@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42B9C92D.6050009@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050623073528.GA14740@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 10:25:17PM +0200, Austin wrote: > no fotku ted zadnou nemam a zadne Rx ted doma spajene bohuzel nemam.. > a k te civce. tam musi byt feritove jadro ? odkdy ? to sem si nak nevsim Nemusi. > ze by ho tam nekdo daval aspon podle fotek a v navodu pokud se nemylim > to taky snad ani neni psane..(kdyztak me opravte :o)) > jo a koax zrejme je asi obycejny no.. zitra vyfotim koax, dneska se mi Obycejny je OK. CL< > uz nechce :) ale v zasade to je asi ten co si napsal ("jen folii apar > tenkych dratku"). > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > > >A mohl bys jeste poskytnout fotku toho RX? > >Neco takoveho delaly levne koaxy na satelit co maji misto opleteni jen > >folii a > >par tenkych dratku a v RXu je cicka bez feritoveho jadra a par dalsich > >prasaren. > >Pak ten RX vesele kmita a kmitocet silne zavisi na pripojene konfiguraci > >kabelu. > > > > > > > > > >>no vsecko mam standartni, Tx i Rx mam airwire a twistra na plosnaku, > >>akurat neni v stinene krabicce ale je v obycejne plastove.. ale to snad > >>na to vliv nema... > >>no a ja prave kdyz zkroutim koaxy, tak me to nejede vubec... s tim sem > >>zadrbal mesic, nez sem prisel na to proc mi to na strese nejelo.. > >>respektive jelo ale s obrovskym PL.. > >>a to sem mel ty koaxy pouze v plastove chranicce o prumeru zhruba 3 > >>cm..pak sem na to prisel a u druheho spoje se mi to potvrdilo protoze to > >>delalo to same > >>(nebylo to sice uz v chranicce, ale koaxy byli k sobe oblepene izolepou- > >>a takhle to nejelo vubec).... > >> > >>Petr Seliger napsal(a): > >> > >> > >> > >>>A to mas jakou konstrukci RXu a twisteru? > >>>Normalni je kdyz se zkrouti koaxy tak to jede nejlip a nejmin to rusi > >>>televizi. Druha vec je ze nejde zkroutit dvojlinku RX,TX ale vdy > >>>TX+GND a RX+12V. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>zem se propojenou mel... to je jasny... ale proste kdyz to bylo > >>>>zkroucene tak tam byly strasne ztraty a nebo to nejelo vubec.. > >>>>tak samo mi to dela i kdyz to uz mam namontovane na strese a ty 2 koaxy > >>>>co dou do twistra z tubusu slepim k sobe treba izolepou... neprojde ani > >>>>jeden paket akdyz ty koaxy od sebe oddelim tak vpohode.. > >>>> > >>>>Petr Seliger napsal(a): > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>No nemuzu si pomoct ale ja to testuju 50cm dlouhym UTPckem a > >>>>>bez problemu. Spojil jsem vsechny 4 vyvody, tj. napjim jen jeden > >>>>>twister a jede to. Zapojeni konektoru je: > >>>>>1 - 1 *zkrouceno s * > >>>>>2 - 3 * > >>>>>3 - 2 ** zkrouceno s ** > >>>>>4 - 4 ** > >>>>>a to vse zkrouceno dohromady. > >>>>> > >>>>>No a jestli jsi to mel jednim parem UTP, tak se nedivim. Zem se > >>>>>propojit musi. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>jj pozor na delku tech kabliku, ne vic nez 20-30 cm a taky pozor > >>>>>>nesmi to byt kroucena dvojlinka... :( ja to zkousel s 1 parem z UTP a > >>>>>>nejelo to...a kdyz sem to rozmotal tak vpohode... > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:19:11PM +0200, communi@centrum.sk wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Chcel by som sa spytat kde moze byt problem ked zapnem twister na > >>>>>>>>napajanie tak svieti zlta LED cize napajanie je v poriadku skusal > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>som > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>aj cez LINUX loopback ten mi tiez fungoval ale ked som ich prepojil > >>>>>>>>medzi seba tak uz to nefungovalo prichadzal len 1 packet za sekundu > >>>>>>>>v > >>>>>>>>LOOPbacku prichadzali 2 x za sekundu..... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1150 (20050621) __________ > > > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 23 08:39:16 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 23 08:40:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Taveni tacku In-Reply-To: <200506221434.2422@centrum.cz> References: <200506221434.2422@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050623073916.GB14740@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 02:34:58PM +0200, vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz wrote: > Tady se podivejte co umi slunicko pri zapadu, nastesti nebyla zranena zadna kremikova soucastka, jen se prijimac i vysilac mirne vychylily z ohniska. > > http://www.chrudim2000.cz/genesis/digifoto Tak to mas jeste stesti ze na fotce jsou jen ohorele tacky a ne ohorely barak :) Jinak diky, davam do galerie a FAQ. CL< From berns.buenaobra at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 09:35:52 2005 From: berns.buenaobra at gmail.com (Berns Buenaobra) Date: Thu Jun 23 09:35:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA beginner has questions... In-Reply-To: <20050623070931.GA13222@kestrel> References: <1119442292.15367@pg21.org> <20050623070931.GA13222@kestrel> Message-ID: <5279ff3e050623013554bb7f60@mail.gmail.com> Hello: I like this thread (below) I think the rules of the game here is'nt so much how it looks but how it actually works! The circuits of course at first sight is overwhelming but if look at the frequency involved and the rise times required to achieve MBPS rates the circuit design rules follows that of what you see in the classic ARRL handbooks -- a dying art but a lot of lessons to learn from it specially at UHF. >From this part of the world I would like to be able to build RONJA around terrain to connect mountain public schools someday. Berns B. On 6/23/05, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 02:11:32PM +0200, lopette@pg21.org wrote: > > Hi > > > > My name's Dave and I'm from Lausanne (Switzerland). I stumbled on RONJA from the saitis.ch website, who own such a device around town. Before I start building my own RONJA, there are a few things I'd like to understand about the differents parts. > > > > TWISTER > > seems complicated.. what exactly does it do, and why? could we > > possibly replace most of the electronics by a microcontroller? > > No. But it's not complicated. The board was reported to be populated in > one man-hour. > > > > > > 10M_RECEIVER > > why is it separated in 3 ground-isolated compartments? > > Because of high frequency issues. It has to be very sensitive. > > > > > METROPOLIS TRANSMITTER > > can't Q1-Q2 be replaced with an OP amp, and U1,U2,U3 with an > > appropriate transistor? > > No, OP amp is too slow. I tried to replace U1-2 with transistor without > success. > > > > > I'm doing an apprenticeship in electronics. When my work mates (and > > boss too) saw the pictures of the airwire builds, they laughed their > > asses out. Doesn't work with standard PCB-like building ? (considering > > we shield the thing as required) > > No it doesn't. People has tried several times and the performance > of PCB was always very mediocre. As soon as I get to it, I'll design > a PCB. It looks like it needs great care in design. > > I have already designed PCB TX which is prepared for release: > http://ronja.twibright.com/get_better.php > > > > > Also, what type of signal can I expect at each of the test points (Pxx)? > > That varies. > > > > > Thanks for any answer you can provide, and special thanks to Clock for > > the design because it just kicks ass. > > Hehe thanks. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bernardino Jerez Buenaobra University Research Associate National Institute of Physics University of the Philippines Diliman Campus 1101 Quezon City Philippines Telephone: +6324344232 Fax/Data: +6329280296 URL: www.nip.upd.edu.ph/ipl email: bbuenaobra@nip.upd.edu.ph -------------------------------------------------------------------- From crush at a2j-net.com Thu Jun 23 11:17:36 2005 From: crush at a2j-net.com (Bartosz Kolodziejczak) Date: Thu Jun 23 11:25:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] About 100mbps FSO thread References: <20050623074309.6DCF59A2@poczta.a2j-net.com> Message-ID: <004501c577dc$c8eb4720$ef64640a@bukovina.pl> Hi there! I'm considering why was I ignored by Clock. Maybe have I sent my message wrong way?! Today I'll repeat it, adding subject to the e-mail. Clock can you tell us more ?! What does "yes" mean? Do you have concrete term doing first prototypes? Or maybe have you made something working right now ? Where is a problem doing 100mbit FSO? Can we help you in some way? I'm new user of this mailing list. My first fso link wasn't working properly, because mounting was too week. I plan to repair it next week, so if it will help I should send you some photos. I use Ondrej Tesar PCB's and Silvije's miniTPavr interface with autonegotiation feature which is working fine. I have tested my fso link "on the floor" and it works quite good - 10 mbit full duplex without any single packet loss. Crush crush@a2j-net.com From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Thu Jun 23 12:19:16 2005 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Jun 23 12:19:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Taveni tacku Message-ID: <200506231319.28303@centrum.cz> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 05:22:21PM +0200, Jakub Michn=EDk wrote: >> no jooo a mel si tam stitek? hold nemas pouzivat plastove kolecka :) > To by nepomohlo - tam na kraji je to protaveny i kdyz je plocha (okra= j) > skoro kolmo k prichazejicim paprskum -> musela byt natavena i trubka, > ne? CL< Trubka naprosto v poho, nic to na ni nezanechalo. Je to ta oranzova pla= stova odpadni roura navic vevnitr vystrikana cernym motipem.=20 WoiTa From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Jun 23 12:53:34 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Thu Jun 23 12:53:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Taveni tacku References: <200506221434.2422@centrum.cz> <20050623073916.GB14740@kestrel> Message-ID: <000f01c577ea$2fb08f80$0103450a@thechosen> ten tacek nehorel ne? jen se to tavilo :) Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Taveni tacku > On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 02:34:58PM +0200, vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz wrote: > > Tady se podivejte co umi slunicko pri zapadu, nastesti nebyla zranena zadna kremikova soucastka, jen se prijimac i vysilac mirne vychylily z ohniska. > > > > http://www.chrudim2000.cz/genesis/digifoto > > Tak to mas jeste stesti ze na fotce jsou jen ohorele tacky a ne ohorely > barak :) Jinak diky, davam do galerie a FAQ. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Jun 23 14:40:29 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Jun 23 14:41:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface References: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz><002701c577be$e3268050$0103450a@thechosen> <20050623071936.GA13620@kestrel> Message-ID: <002901c577f9$1ec4e770$3701a8c0@pwech01> no myslim, ze to fungovat bude .... je to az druha vec v poradi - prvni je ten umlcovac - proste kdyz klesne signal pod pouzitelnou mez, tak na vystupu nic nebude a pak se ifejsem prestane posilat na TP Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:25 AM > Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface > > > > Dneska jsem konecne poslal data vyrobci desek a tak bych do dvou tydnu mel > mit > > osazenou "definitivni" verzi 2. > > Verze 1 byla ta zkusebni. > > V pripade, ze se ukaze jako 100% funkcni, zverejnim vykresy desek a > dotahnu > > zverejneni verilog zdrojaku. > > Ukol c. 1 je ted pro mne dodelat do prijimace SQUELCH, tj. obvod umlceni > > vystupu pokud je RSSI mensi nez nastavene minimum. > > Tato funkce s navaznosti na navrh spidera, ktery, kdyz nebude mit od RX > idle > > signal, prestane do TP vysilat link pulsy, je dulezita pro BGP router, > ktery > > pouze na zaklade toho muze pri vypadku opticke linky aktivovat zalozni > trasu > > (dosud, kdyz napr. diky mlze spoj umre, router povazuje spoj za funkcni, > > pouze tichy a tak nema duvod presmerovavat data jinam). > > This won't work - if you have low signal, the RX idle is still detected > well and data don't go through. > > You would have to measure jitter and if goes over some borderline, bring > the link down. Which I don't know how can be easily measured. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 23 16:38:47 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 23 16:39:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] About 100mbps FSO thread In-Reply-To: <004501c577dc$c8eb4720$ef64640a@bukovina.pl> References: <20050623074309.6DCF59A2@poczta.a2j-net.com> <004501c577dc$c8eb4720$ef64640a@bukovina.pl> Message-ID: <20050623153847.GD3862@kestrel> On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 12:17:36PM +0200, Bartosz Kolodziejczak wrote: > Hi there! > > I'm considering why was I ignored by Clock. Maybe have I sent my message > wrong way?! Today I'll repeat it, adding subject to the e-mail. No, I just don't want to reveal details how I am planning to implement the 100Mbps. > Clock can you tell us more ?! What does "yes" mean? Do you have concrete > term doing first prototypes? Or maybe have you made something working right > now ? Where is a problem doing 100mbit FSO? Can we help you in some way? Yes, in sending financial gifts up to such density that thanks to Ronja I wouldn't have to waste time going to work and could work on Ronja full time instead (Like Theo de Raadt from OpenBSD does). CL< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Jun 23 18:19:21 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Jun 23 18:19:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface In-Reply-To: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <1119547161.42baef198ecfd@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> O squelch uz jsem se jednou pokousel a neni to zadna sranda jak to udelat jednoduse. Pokud se to bere podle RSSI je potreba mit moznost nastavit prah nekde mezi 20-100mV, typicky 50mV a musi se pocitat s tim ze kdyz lezou data, tak napeti vyrazne poklesne proti IDLE. Petr > Dneska jsem konecne poslal data vyrobci desek a tak bych do dvou tydnu mel > mit > osazenou "definitivni" verzi 2. > Verze 1 byla ta zkusebni. > V pripade, ze se ukaze jako 100% funkcni, zverejnim vykresy desek a dotahnu > > zverejneni verilog zdrojaku. > Ukol c. 1 je ted pro mne dodelat do prijimace SQUELCH, tj. obvod umlceni > vystupu pokud je RSSI mensi nez nastavene minimum. > Tato funkce s navaznosti na navrh spidera, ktery, kdyz nebude mit od RX idle > > signal, prestane do TP vysilat link pulsy, je dulezita pro BGP router, ktery > > pouze na zaklade toho muze pri vypadku opticke linky aktivovat zalozni trasu > > (dosud, kdyz napr. diky mlze spoj umre, router povazuje spoj za funkcni, > pouze tichy a tak nema duvod presmerovavat data jinam). > Jakub Ladman > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Thu Jun 23 21:17:22 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Jun 23 19:17:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface In-Reply-To: <1119547161.42baef198ecfd@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1119547161.42baef198ecfd@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42BB18D2.9070102@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nektere moje moduly jeli az od 130-150mV. p0l0us Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > O squelch uz jsem se jednou pokousel a neni to zadna sranda jak to > udelat jednoduse. Pokud se to bere podle RSSI je potreba mit > moznost nastavit prah nekde mezi 20-100mV, typicky 50mV a musi se > pocitat s tim ze kdyz lezou data, tak napeti vyrazne poklesne proti > IDLE. > > Petr > >> Dneska jsem konecne poslal data vyrobci desek a tak bych do dvou >> tydnu mel mit osazenou "definitivni" verzi 2. Verze 1 byla ta >> zkusebni. V pripade, ze se ukaze jako 100% funkcni, zverejnim >> vykresy desek a dotahnu >> >> zverejneni verilog zdrojaku. Ukol c. 1 je ted pro mne dodelat do >> prijimace SQUELCH, tj. obvod umlceni vystupu pokud je RSSI mensi >> nez nastavene minimum. Tato funkce s navaznosti na navrh spidera, >> ktery, kdyz nebude mit od RX idle >> >> signal, prestane do TP vysilat link pulsy, je dulezita pro BGP >> router, ktery >> >> pouze na zaklade toho muze pri vypadku opticke linky aktivovat >> zalozni trasu >> >> (dosud, kdyz napr. diky mlze spoj umre, router povazuje spoj za >> funkcni, pouze tichy a tak nema duvod presmerovavat data jinam). >> Jakub Ladman >> >> _______________________________________________ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFCuxjSYo9JRD7EbFIRApUrAJiDO4eTwSj12yFXAoGIiVYoOynbAJwNaC7N XxOICNcl7NSKQ7YIP/kTUA== =EZHy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kendy at hkfree.org Thu Jun 23 22:52:24 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Thu Jun 23 22:52:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface In-Reply-To: <42BB18D2.9070102@katka.biz> References: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1119547161.42baef198ecfd@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42BB18D2.9070102@katka.biz> Message-ID: <42BB2F18.3060909@hkfree.org> Ted sem dostavel nove RX moduly a data prenasely az od 250mV. To se mi vubec nelibilo a zjistil sem, ze to je moc vytazenou prijimajici diodou. Kdyz sem ji zatlacil nazpet do krabicky --> cca 2-3mm pak koukaly ven z krabicky, tak najednou moduly zacaly prenaset data od 45-50mV. Kendy HKfree Martin Polehla napsal(a): > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Nektere moje moduly jeli az od 130-150mV. > > p0l0us > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > >>O squelch uz jsem se jednou pokousel a neni to zadna sranda jak to >>udelat jednoduse. Pokud se to bere podle RSSI je potreba mit >>moznost nastavit prah nekde mezi 20-100mV, typicky 50mV a musi se >>pocitat s tim ze kdyz lezou data, tak napeti vyrazne poklesne proti >>IDLE. >> >>Petr >> >> >>>Dneska jsem konecne poslal data vyrobci desek a tak bych do dvou >>>tydnu mel mit osazenou "definitivni" verzi 2. Verze 1 byla ta >>>zkusebni. V pripade, ze se ukaze jako 100% funkcni, zverejnim >>>vykresy desek a dotahnu >>> >>>zverejneni verilog zdrojaku. Ukol c. 1 je ted pro mne dodelat do >>>prijimace SQUELCH, tj. obvod umlceni vystupu pokud je RSSI mensi >>>nez nastavene minimum. Tato funkce s navaznosti na navrh spidera, >>>ktery, kdyz nebude mit od RX idle >>> >>>signal, prestane do TP vysilat link pulsy, je dulezita pro BGP >>>router, ktery >>> >>>pouze na zaklade toho muze pri vypadku opticke linky aktivovat >>>zalozni trasu >>> >>>(dosud, kdyz napr. diky mlze spoj umre, router povazuje spoj za >>>funkcni, pouze tichy a tak nema duvod presmerovavat data jinam). >>>Jakub Ladman >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD4DBQFCuxjSYo9JRD7EbFIRApUrAJiDO4eTwSj12yFXAoGIiVYoOynbAJwNaC7N > XxOICNcl7NSKQ7YIP/kTUA== > =EZHy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Jun 24 00:11:03 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Jun 24 00:10:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface In-Reply-To: <002701c577be$e3268050$0103450a@thechosen> References: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002701c577be$e3268050$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200506240111.03875.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Thursday 23 of June 2005 8:43, Michal Malusek wrote: > no zaplat panbuch ze se takhle quagga nechova :) Omlouvam se, dopustil jsem se v tom hrube chyby. BGP to zdetekuje i jinak (diky za upozorneni, sam to vim, ale nedoslo mi to). Ja osobne to nemam kde vnimat a asi jsem nespravne interpretoval ten duvod, ktery zpusobuje citlivost na ten problem prijmu link integrity pulsu v dobe poruchy spoje, jak mi ho vysvetloval Macros. Jakub Ladman > > glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:25 AM > Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface > > > Dneska jsem konecne poslal data vyrobci desek a tak bych do dvou tydnu > > mel > > mit > > > osazenou "definitivni" verzi 2. > > Verze 1 byla ta zkusebni. > > V pripade, ze se ukaze jako 100% funkcni, zverejnim vykresy desek a > > dotahnu > > > zverejneni verilog zdrojaku. > > Ukol c. 1 je ted pro mne dodelat do prijimace SQUELCH, tj. obvod umlceni > > vystupu pokud je RSSI mensi nez nastavene minimum. > > Tato funkce s navaznosti na navrh spidera, ktery, kdyz nebude mit od RX > > idle > > > signal, prestane do TP vysilat link pulsy, je dulezita pro BGP router, > > ktery > > > pouze na zaklade toho muze pri vypadku opticke linky aktivovat zalozni > > trasu > > > (dosud, kdyz napr. diky mlze spoj umre, router povazuje spoj za funkcni, > > pouze tichy a tak nema duvod presmerovavat data jinam). > > Jakub Ladman > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Jun 24 00:13:43 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Jun 24 00:13:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface In-Reply-To: <20050623071936.GA13620@kestrel> References: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002701c577be$e3268050$0103450a@thechosen> <20050623071936.GA13620@kestrel> Message-ID: <200506240113.43975.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Thursday 23 of June 2005 9:19, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > This won't work - if you have low signal, the RX idle is still detected > well and data don't go through. Ty jsi to opet poradne neprecetl, jak je tvym zvykem! Jasne tam pisu, ze se to odvodi od sily signalu (komparatorem s hysterezi). Jakub Ladman From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 24 08:12:31 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 24 08:13:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface In-Reply-To: <200506240113.43975.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002701c577be$e3268050$0103450a@thechosen> <20050623071936.GA13620@kestrel> <200506240113.43975.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050624071227.GA15994@kestrel> On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 01:13:43AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Thursday 23 of June 2005 9:19, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > This won't work - if you have low signal, the RX idle is still detected > > well and data don't go through. > Ty jsi to opet poradne neprecetl, jak je tvym zvykem! > Jasne tam pisu, ze se to odvodi od sily signalu (komparatorem s hysterezi). Which is also wrong. As the noise level is varying greatly over night and day, there is no such a threshold for signal strength you could use. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 24 08:14:23 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 24 08:15:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface In-Reply-To: <42BB2F18.3060909@hkfree.org> References: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1119547161.42baef198ecfd@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42BB18D2.9070102@katka.biz> <42BB2F18.3060909@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20050624071423.GC15994@kestrel> On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 11:52:24PM +0200, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Ted sem dostavel nove RX moduly a data prenasely az od 250mV. To se mi > vubec nelibilo a zjistil sem, ze to je moc vytazenou prijimajici diodou. > Kdyz sem ji zatlacil nazpet do krabicky --> cca 2-3mm pak koukaly ven z > krabicky, tak najednou moduly zacaly prenaset data od 45-50mV. Was this with thermal shield mounted or not? CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 24 08:21:02 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 24 08:22:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Vycnivajici dioda Message-ID: <20050624072102.GA16512@kestrel> Zmenil jsem v navodu ze misto 1/2 vycnivajici ma vycnivat jen 1/3. CL< From kendy at hkfree.org Fri Jun 24 08:29:56 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Fri Jun 24 08:28:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface References: <200506230025.18368.ladmanj@volny.cz><1119547161.42baef198ecfd@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><42BB18D2.9070102@katka.biz> <42BB2F18.3060909@hkfree.org> <20050624071423.GC15994@kestrel> Message-ID: <001d01c5788e$8649cd80$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Zatim zkouseno jen doma na zemi. Moduly jen zadeklovany bez thermal shieldu. Nez dam moduly do trubek tak musi byt tip top -> bez otestovani by me ruce brnely pri montazi :-) Kendy HKfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface > On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 11:52:24PM +0200, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > > Ted sem dostavel nove RX moduly a data prenasely az od 250mV. To se mi > > vubec nelibilo a zjistil sem, ze to je moc vytazenou prijimajici diodou. > > Kdyz sem ji zatlacil nazpet do krabicky --> cca 2-3mm pak koukaly ven z > > krabicky, tak najednou moduly zacaly prenaset data od 45-50mV. > > Was this with thermal shield mounted or not? > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Fri Jun 24 09:31:15 2005 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz) Date: Fri Jun 24 09:31:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Taveni tacku Message-ID: <200506241031.31598@centrum.cz> > ten tacek nehorel ne? jen se to tavilo :) > > Glo Mas pravdu, jenom se to tavilo. Horet to ani nemuze, nema to odkud brat kyslik. Ten zakonzervovanej smrad po otevreni roury byl znamkou jejiho dobryho utesneni :-) WoiTa From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 24 12:21:00 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 24 12:22:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] LUGS lecture about Ronja Message-ID: <20050624112100.GA20005@kestrel> Yesterday I had a lecture at Linux Users Group Switzerland in Zurich. You can find slides from the lecture at http://ronja.twibright.com/slides/ronja_lugs.sxi CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 24 12:53:26 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 24 12:54:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Slides in PPT and PDF Message-ID: <20050624115326.GA20450@kestrel> http://ronja.twibright.com, What Ronja is, Slides CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 24 15:40:21 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 24 15:41:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Taveni tacku In-Reply-To: <200506241031.31598@centrum.cz> References: <200506241031.31598@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050624144021.GC23076@kestrel> On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 10:31:15AM +0200, vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz wrote: > > ten tacek nehorel ne? jen se to tavilo :) > > > > Glo > > Mas pravdu, jenom se to tavilo. Horet to ani nemuze, nema to odkud > brat kyslik. Ten zakonzervovanej smrad po otevreni roury byl znamkou > jejiho dobryho utesneni :-) No - muze se to zapalit, a nez dojde kyslik propalit vniklym teplem horeni trubku, cimz se otevre otvor pro pristup kysliku, a pak vesele muze horici hmota odkapavat na strechu, dokud nebude cely barak v plamenech. Nez lidi budou delat takovyhle experimenty, tak by meli zavolat na nejakou hasicskou stanici (ne 150!) a zeptat se jich, co si o tom mysli. Ja jsem presvedcen, ze je hasici obrazne recenou po telefonu nakopou do prdele, protoze oni to pak budou, kdo k takovemu, zcela zbytecne zavinenemu pripadu pojedou s tim, ze tam taky nekdo z hasicu muze uvnitr zustat tuhej. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 24 15:42:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 24 15:43:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami Message-ID: <20050624144242.GA23325@kestrel> http://www.pozary.cz/clanek.asp?id_clanku=3551 CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 24 15:43:25 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 24 15:44:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface In-Reply-To: <001d01c5788e$8649cd80$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> References: <42BB2F18.3060909@hkfree.org> <20050624071423.GC15994@kestrel> <001d01c5788e$8649cd80$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Message-ID: <20050624144325.GB23325@kestrel> On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 09:29:56AM +0200, Kendy wrote: > Zatim zkouseno jen doma na zemi. Moduly jen zadeklovany bez thermal shieldu. Hm s thermal shieldem by to nastavat nemelo. Ale stejne jsem snizil vycnivani diody z 1/2 na 1/3 v navodu. CL< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Jun 24 16:23:42 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Jun 24 16:23:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami References: <20050624144242.GA23325@kestrel> Message-ID: <002d01c578d0$b721bf20$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Mno, tak se clovek moc nedovi, jen jak jsou lidi prasteni a preji uprimnou soustrast. Soustrast se prece odjakziva vyjadruje, ale nikdy nepreje ... Cipis P.S. Jeho urcite nezabila ronja ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami > http://www.pozary.cz/clanek.asp?id_clanku=3551 > > CL< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Jun 24 16:44:21 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Fri Jun 24 16:44:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami References: <20050624144242.GA23325@kestrel> Message-ID: <000d01c578d3$976e0690$0103450a@thechosen> to zapalila plastova ronja roura? btw jak uz nekdo vyzkoumal je ta hmota samozhasiva ne? Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami > http://www.pozary.cz/clanek.asp?id_clanku=3551 > > CL< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kendy at hkfree.org Fri Jun 24 17:51:30 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Fri Jun 24 17:51:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami In-Reply-To: <000d01c578d3$976e0690$0103450a@thechosen> References: <20050624144242.GA23325@kestrel> <000d01c578d3$976e0690$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <42BC3A12.8070401@hkfree.org> Ty oranzove maji byt absolutne nehorlave. Kdyz do toho nekdo (z doslechu) palil autogenem, tak horelo jen to aktualni mistecko, kdyz autogen zhasli, tak roura prestala horet.... Michal Malusek napsal(a): > to zapalila plastova ronja roura? > > btw jak uz nekdo vyzkoumal je ta hmota samozhasiva ne? > > Glo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 4:42 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami > > > >>http://www.pozary.cz/clanek.asp?id_clanku=3551 >> >>CL< >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Fri Jun 24 19:31:15 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Fri Jun 24 19:31:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <20050621210348.GA21793@kestrel><001801c57701$53c59ee0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050623072009.GB13620@kestrel> Message-ID: <000701c578ea$e7adbad0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Takze odkaz na fotky je http://ronja.pavel.extranetplus.cz/ Docela me ale zarazi to , ze kdyz jsem stavel druhy transmitter, vubec to nefakchalo , ikdyz jsem byl fakt presvedcenej nekolikanasobnou kontrolou i peclivosti pri stavbe , ze je to spravne ,pak jsem ho stavel znovu s novymi soucastkami a okopiroval jsem usporadani prvniho kousku a najendou to zacalo makat :/ Ted by me zajimalo , jestli by bylo lepsi znovu objednat soucastky na rx tx a zkusit postavit ala vrabcak nebo jestli si myslis ze je schopna nejaka profi fy co dela u plosnaku full servis navrhnout 100% fcni moduly na PCB ?? (protoze o tom uz dost vazne uvazuju.) Jinak u toho myho nefcniho kousku bych to tipoval na nejaky prijmac ale uz jsme to kontroloval tolikrat ze jsem zoufalej, takze diky za kazdou radu... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 10:06:43AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >> provedl , dokonce jsem vysledky mereni uvedl v mailing listu, zda se to >> byt >> +- v poradku , zapojeni jsem taky kontroloval nekolikrat ale tezko rict , >> treba jeden vysilac jsem stavel nadvakrat , za ten jeden bych dal ruku do >> ohne , ze byl spravne, ale nemakal , druhy jsem postavil s usporadanim >> soucastek presne podle kusu ktery mi uz makal a najednou to fungovalo, >> proto si mylsim ze by mi kvalitne navrzeny PBC mohl pomoct :/ > > Hm, tak posli fotky. Treba z nich budu schopen neco vydumat. > > CL< > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karel Kulhavy" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >> >> >> >On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 06:54:07PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >> >>Tak to ze se data neprenaseli plnou rychlosti nezpusobovala sitovka >> >>(vymenil jsem za 10mbit) ale krizeny kabel ktery jsem pouzil k >> >>propojeni >> >>twisteru.to me dovedlo k tomu abych vymenil i rg58 kabliky ktery vedou >> >>pres >> >>BNC na jednotlive moduly za predepsany 75ohm koax, nicmene to nepomohlo >> >>, >> >>vzduchem mi proste neprojde ani packet a uz zacinam byt zoufaly.Uvazuju >> >>o >> >>postaveni modulu taky na PCB a chci se tedy zeptat, jestli nekdo ma >> >>100% >> >>funkcni plosnaky na rx a tx pro klasicke soucastky ?? (pokud mozno >> >>stejnou >> >>kvalitu jako twistr). Snad prechodem komplet na PCB se povede neoc >> >>rozchodit.D. >> > >> >A provedl jsi vsechny ty opicarny s kontrolou zapojeni, merenim mericich >> >bodu atd.? >> > >> >CL< >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Ronja mailing list >> >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 24 19:37:57 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 24 19:39:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami In-Reply-To: <000d01c578d3$976e0690$0103450a@thechosen> References: <20050624144242.GA23325@kestrel> <000d01c578d3$976e0690$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20050624183757.GB1747@kestrel> On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 05:44:21PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > to zapalila plastova ronja roura? Ne, nezapalila. Je to jen obycejny pozar obycejne chaty. Chtel jsem jen demonstrovat, ze pri nezodpovednosti clovek neohrozuje nejen sebe, ale i nevinne lidi (hasice). Myslim ze nema cenu cekat, az se nekomu plastovou modifikaci optickeho pojitka barak zapalit podari. Snad prumerne inteligentni clovek dokaze dovodit, ze tam takove riziko existuje. Kdyby nekdo mel kontakt na hasice, reknete, rad bych se zeptal co si o tom mysli oni, abych se nespolehal jen na svuj usudek, ale i na jejich zkusenost. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 24 20:03:10 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 24 20:04:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami In-Reply-To: <42BC3A12.8070401@hkfree.org> References: <20050624144242.GA23325@kestrel> <000d01c578d3$976e0690$0103450a@thechosen> <42BC3A12.8070401@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20050624190310.GA2458@kestrel> On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 06:51:30PM +0200, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Ty oranzove maji byt absolutne nehorlave. Kdyz do toho nekdo (z > doslechu) palil autogenem, tak horelo jen to aktualni mistecko, kdyz > autogen zhasli, tak roura prestala horet.... Hmm... ale upozornit v navodu by se na to asi melo - pak nekdo misto nehorlave pouzije horlavou (sedou?) a uz to pofrci :) CL< From caffr at seznam.cz Fri Jun 24 20:17:04 2005 From: caffr at seznam.cz (cafr) Date: Fri Jun 24 20:17:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <000701c578ea$e7adbad0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <20050621210348.GA21793@kestrel><001801c57701$53c59ee0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050623072009.GB13620@kestrel> <000701c578ea$e7adbad0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <42BC5C30.2090803@seznam.cz> Pavel Srnka wrote: > Takze odkaz na fotky je http://ronja.pavel.extranetplus.cz/ > Docela me ale zarazi to , ze kdyz jsem stavel druhy transmitter, vubec > to nefakchalo , ikdyz jsem byl fakt presvedcenej nekolikanasobnou > kontrolou i peclivosti pri stavbe , ze je to spravne ,pak jsem ho > stavel znovu s novymi soucastkami a okopiroval jsem usporadani prvniho > kousku a najendou to zacalo makat :/ > Ted by me zajimalo , jestli by bylo lepsi znovu objednat soucastky na > rx tx a zkusit postavit ala vrabcak nebo jestli si myslis ze je > schopna nejaka profi fy co dela u plosnaku full servis navrhnout 100% > fcni moduly na PCB ?? (protoze o tom uz dost vazne uvazuju.) > Jinak u toho myho nefcniho kousku bych to tipoval na nejaky prijmac > ale uz jsme to kontroloval tolikrat ze jsem zoufalej, takze diky za > kazdou radu... > > Ja kdyz sem stavel pred rokem Ronju, tak sem taky postavil jeden TX a nefungoval, zkousel sem vsechno promerovat a kontrolovat, ale vsechno bylo v pohode. Pak sem se nasral a soucastky z krabicky vyletoval a znovu ty samy naletoval a pak uz to jelo :-) Podobne u RX - tam sem zjistil(po rozletovani), ze mam odpor myslim 6k7 misto 67k nebo tak nejak. Vsechno preletovat je takovy nejmin elegantni reseni, ale nekdy muze pomoct. cafr From ronja at hansmi.ch Fri Jun 24 21:06:13 2005 From: ronja at hansmi.ch (Michael Hanselmann) Date: Fri Jun 24 21:06:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] LUGS lecture about Ronja In-Reply-To: <20050624112100.GA20005@kestrel> References: <20050624112100.GA20005@kestrel> Message-ID: <20050624200613.GB7053@hansmi.ch> Hello > Yesterday I had a lecture at Linux Users Group Switzerland in Zurich. > You can find slides from the lecture at > http://ronja.twibright.com/slides/ronja_lugs.sxi And here are four pictures from Karel and his demonstration hardware: https://hansmi.home.forkbomb.ch/pics/lugs-2005-06-23/ Thanks to Karel for the really interesting presentation! Greets, Michael -- Gentoo Linux Developer using m0n0wall | http://hansmi.ch/ APL is a natural extension of assembler language programming; ...and is best for educational purposes. -- A. Perlis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050624/f86d999e/attachment-0001.bin From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 24 21:27:38 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 24 21:28:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <000701c578ea$e7adbad0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <20050623072009.GB13620@kestrel> <000701c578ea$e7adbad0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 08:31:15PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > Takze odkaz na fotky je http://ronja.pavel.extranetplus.cz/ The 3 chips in TX aren't "fucking", but connected by relatively long and thin wires, and therefore cannot drive LED correctly. It is also suggested by the oscilloscope pictures. They look distorted. "Solder together the three 74HC04's in stack". Ground connections to pin7 are by long wire, which has even worse effect on the LED driver. "Fix them by soldering on ground if they are connected to ground or by gluing down with thermal glue gun." However the second point is not said much clear in Ronja guide. I have rewritten it to more obvious explicit formulation in the guide right now. The socket for NE592 isn't a good idea too, can be a potential place of contact unreliability. Can be fixed by soldering the NE592 into the socket as is. CL< > Docela me ale zarazi to , ze kdyz jsem stavel druhy transmitter, vubec to > nefakchalo , ikdyz jsem byl fakt presvedcenej nekolikanasobnou kontrolou i > peclivosti pri stavbe , ze je to spravne ,pak jsem ho stavel znovu s novymi > soucastkami a okopiroval jsem usporadani prvniho kousku a najendou to > zacalo makat :/ > Ted by me zajimalo , jestli by bylo lepsi znovu objednat soucastky na rx tx > a zkusit postavit ala vrabcak nebo jestli si myslis ze je schopna nejaka > profi fy co dela u plosnaku full servis navrhnout 100% fcni moduly na PCB > ?? (protoze o tom uz dost vazne uvazuju.) > Jinak u toho myho nefcniho kousku bych to tipoval na nejaky prijmac ale uz > jsme to kontroloval tolikrat ze jsem zoufalej, takze diky za kazdou radu... From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Jun 25 15:48:21 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Jun 25 15:48:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami In-Reply-To: <20050624190310.GA2458@kestrel> References: <20050624144242.GA23325@kestrel> <000d01c578d3$976e0690$0103450a@thechosen> <42BC3A12.8070401@hkfree.org> <20050624190310.GA2458@kestrel> Message-ID: <1119710901.42bd6eb563a1f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Tak me to nedalo a trochu jsem pokusoval. Snazil jsem se propalovat plastove roury pomoci raketoveho paliva a poridil jsem dost drasticke video. Pokud by byl nekdo ochoten hostovat 5MB klip tak mu to poslu. Trubky jsem smazil raketovym motorkem bez trysky. Spaliny byly s prebytkem kysliku a mely teplotu pres 1000?C. Samotny motorek byla PVC roura a ta nehorela ani za nic. Do jine sede roury z PVC jsem vytavil diru ale horet nechtela. Do sede roury ze polypropylenu jsem vytavil taky diru a dokud na ni sel plamen tak horela. Pak jsem na ni primo nasypal raketove palivo a zapalil. To sem me bohuzel na fotak dostat nepodarilo nebot od produkovane IR uplne oslepnul. Po shoreni paliva zbytek roury pomalu horel, ale spis jako svicka - tj. zuhelnatele zbytky paliva slouzily jako knot. Jakmlile jsem je seskrabl, tak uz to na tom miste nehorelo. Jeste podotykam ze pouzite mnozstvi paliva dokazalo propalit 1cm silne smrkove prkynko behem 5 sekund. Pro jistotu jsem jeste tutez rouru tavil horkovzdusnou pistoli pri cca 650?C a podarilo se me ji akorat roztavit. Pristi tyden se jeste pustim do oranzove roury. Zaver: Testovane materialy jsou samozhasive jak tvrdi vyrobce ale PP je schopen horet pokud ma k dispozici neco jako knot. Takze /IMHO/ je hodne blbej napad trubku zevnitr natirat barvou neznameho slozeni a horlavosti nebo tam dokonce cpat saze s kanogomem jak jsem to nedavno videl. Taky nelze trubky rozlisovat podle barev ale jedine podle natisknuteho popisu od vyrobce. Petr > On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 06:51:30PM +0200, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > > Ty oranzove maji byt absolutne nehorlave. Kdyz do toho nekdo (z > > doslechu) palil autogenem, tak horelo jen to aktualni mistecko, kdyz > > autogen zhasli, tak roura prestala horet.... > > Hmm... ale upozornit v navodu by se na to asi melo - pak nekdo misto > nehorlave pouzije horlavou (sedou?) a uz to pofrci :) > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From klapek at kki.net.pl Sat Jun 25 21:38:14 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sat Jun 25 21:38:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 Message-ID: <200506252238.14116.klapek@kki.net.pl> Hello, [short story] I've been trying to compare datasheets of SFH-203 and BPW-43, however got stuck with a problem: how to convert lux (at ~850-950nm) to mW/cm2 or the other way round? [long story] The datasheet for the SFH has a nice plot of photocurrent at reverse voltage of 5V, the BPW datasheet has one as well. The problem is that SFH gives the current versus some value in lux, while BPW versus mW/cm2. Now, there is a nice point where both diodes respond with 8uA: for SFH it is at 100lx, for BPW at 1mW/cm2. From wikipedia I know that for 555nm 1lx=1.46mW/m2, however it seems that this coefficient cannot be applied here as it would yield strange results: for SFH - 8uA would be at 146mW/m2, while for BPW at 10000mW/m2. So, how to compare the response of the two diodes? Maybe there are other means of quantitatively comparing them? Regards, Tomek Koprowski From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 23:11:18 2005 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Sat Jun 25 23:11:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] must know Message-ID: <20050625221119.5154.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> hi this is quintus I would like to know if the ronja internet system can be made portable? can it's speed be enhanced by adding gigabit ethernet components? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sign up for Fantasy Football > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Sun Jun 26 14:34:14 2005 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Sun Jun 26 14:34:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 Message-ID: <20050626133414.30238.qmail@web53405.mail.yahoo.com> how much does the ronja internet system weigh? ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) 2. comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 (Tomasz Koprowski) 3. must know (Quintus Murray) 4. Re: must know (Petr Dvo??k) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:48:21 +0200 From: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <1119710901.42bd6eb563a1f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Tak me to nedalo a trochu jsem pokusoval. Snazil jsem se propalovat plastove roury pomoci raketoveho paliva a poridil jsem dost drasticke video. Pokud by byl nekdo ochoten hostovat 5MB klip tak mu to poslu. Trubky jsem smazil raketovym motorkem bez trysky. Spaliny byly s prebytkem kysliku a mely teplotu pres 1000?C. Samotny motorek byla PVC roura a ta nehorela ani za nic. Do jine sede roury z PVC jsem vytavil diru ale horet nechtela. Do sede roury ze polypropylenu jsem vytavil taky diru a dokud na ni sel plamen tak horela. Pak jsem na ni primo nasypal raketove palivo a zapalil. To sem me bohuzel na fotak dostat nepodarilo nebot od produkovane IR uplne oslepnul. Po shoreni paliva zbytek roury pomalu horel, ale spis jako svicka - tj. zuhelnatele zbytky paliva slouzily jako knot. Jakmlile jsem je seskrabl, tak uz to na tom miste nehorelo. Jeste podotykam ze pouzite mnozstvi paliva dokazalo propalit 1cm silne smrkove prkynko behem 5 sekund. Pro jistotu jsem jeste tutez rouru tavil horkovzdusnou pistoli pri cca 650?C a podarilo se me ji akorat roztavit. Pristi tyden se jeste pustim do oranzove roury. Zaver: Testovane materialy jsou samozhasive jak tvrdi vyrobce ale PP je schopen horet pokud ma k dispozici neco jako knot. Takze /IMHO/ je hodne blbej napad trubku zevnitr natirat barvou neznameho slozeni a horlavosti nebo tam dokonce cpat saze s kanogomem jak jsem to nedavno videl. Taky nelze trubky rozlisovat podle barev ale jedine podle natisknuteho popisu od vyrobce. Petr > On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 06:51:30PM +0200, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > > Ty oranzove maji byt absolutne nehorlave. Kdyz do toho nekdo (z > > doslechu) palil autogenem, tak horelo jen to aktualni mistecko, kdyz > > autogen zhasli, tak roura prestala horet.... > > Hmm... ale upozornit v navodu by se na to asi melo - pak nekdo misto > nehorlave pouzije horlavou (sedou?) a uz to pofrci :) > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:38:14 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 To: Twibright Ronja ronja@ Message-ID: <200506252238.14116.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Hello, [short story] I've been trying to compare datasheets of SFH-203 and BPW-43, however got stuck with a problem: how to convert lux (at ~850-950nm) to mW/cm2 or the other way round? [long story] The datasheet for the SFH has a nice plot of photocurrent at reverse voltage of 5V, the BPW datasheet has one as well. The problem is that SFH gives the current versus some value in lux, while BPW versus mW/cm2. Now, there is a nice point where both diodes respond with 8uA: for SFH it is at 100lx, for BPW at 1mW/cm2. From wikipedia I know that for 555nm 1lx=1.46mW/m2, however it seems that this coefficient cannot be applied here as it would yield strange results: for SFH - 8uA would be at 146mW/m2, while for BPW at 10000mW/m2. So, how to compare the response of the two diodes? Maybe there are other means of quantitatively comparing them? Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Quintus Murray Subject: [Ronja] must know To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Message-ID: <20050625221119.5154.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi this is quintus I would like to know if the ronja internet system can be made portable? can it's speed be enhanced by adding gigabit ethernet components? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sign up for Fantasy Football > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja End of Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 ************************************* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050626/5ecb41d7/attachment.htm From polous at katka.biz Sun Jun 26 17:12:21 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Jun 26 15:12:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] jine informacni kanaly ? Message-ID: <42BED3E5.1040606@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ahoj Koukal sem na support stranku ronji a je tam neco ohledne #ronja @ irc.freenode.net. Prihlasujete se tam nekdo ? I found note about irc channel #ronja@irc.freenode.net on support page. Is here anyone using it ? p0l0us -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCvtPlYo9JRD7EbFIRApugAKCTDnTchBqVW0jlG+VI10T0XvErdgCfVmtM c3aSLHxZDzvlEvh6jHQIjQk= =NAvG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Sun Jun 26 15:24:39 2005 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Sun Jun 26 15:24:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 Message-ID: <20050626142440.42073.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com> hi it's me again and I would like to know what components could be used to make ronja as fast as 1Gbps internet speed? and what are the components that shape the internet speed of the ronja system? the component list is confuseing. I also want the website of the manufacturers of each component used in the ronja inferno model thank you the data you give me would be very appreciated. ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote: Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) 2. comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 (Tomasz Koprowski) 3. must know (Quintus Murray) 4. Re: must know (Petr Dvo??k) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:48:21 +0200 From: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <1119710901.42bd6eb563a1f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Tak me to nedalo a trochu jsem pokusoval. Snazil jsem se propalovat plastove roury pomoci raketoveho paliva a poridil jsem dost drasticke video. Pokud by byl nekdo ochoten hostovat 5MB klip tak mu to poslu. Trubky jsem smazil raketovym motorkem bez trysky. Spaliny byly s prebytkem kysliku a mely teplotu pres 1000?C. Samotny motorek byla PVC roura a ta nehorela ani za nic. Do jine sede roury z PVC jsem vytavil diru ale horet nechtela. Do sede roury ze polypropylenu jsem vytavil taky diru a dokud na ni sel plamen tak horela. Pak jsem na ni primo nasypal raketove palivo a zapalil. To sem me bohuzel na fotak dostat nepodarilo nebot od produkovane IR uplne oslepnul. Po shoreni paliva zbytek roury pomalu horel, ale spis jako svicka - tj. zuhelnatele zbytky paliva slouzily jako knot. Jakmlile jsem je seskrabl, tak uz to na tom miste nehorelo. Jeste podotykam ze pouzite mnozstvi paliva dokazalo propalit 1cm silne smrkove prkynko behem 5 sekund. Pro jistotu jsem jeste tutez rouru tavil horkovzdusnou pistoli pri cca 650?C a podarilo se me ji akorat roztavit. Pristi tyden se jeste pustim do oranzove roury. Zaver: Testovane materialy jsou samozhasive jak tvrdi vyrobce ale PP je schopen horet pokud ma k dispozici neco jako knot. Takze /IMHO/ je hodne blbej napad trubku zevnitr natirat barvou neznameho slozeni a horlavosti nebo tam dokonce cpat saze s kanogomem jak jsem to nedavno videl. Taky nelze trubky rozlisovat podle barev ale jedine podle natisknuteho popisu od vyrobce. Petr > On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 06:51:30PM +0200, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > > Ty oranzove maji byt absolutne nehorlave. Kdyz do toho nekdo (z > > doslechu) palil autogenem, tak horelo jen to aktualni mistecko, kdyz > > autogen zhasli, tak roura prestala horet.... > > Hmm... ale upozornit v navodu by se na to asi melo - pak nekdo misto > nehorlave pouzije horlavou (sedou?) a uz to pofrci :) > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:38:14 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 To: Twibright Ronja ronja@ Message-ID: <200506252238.14116.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Hello, [short story] I've been trying to compare datasheets of SFH-203 and BPW-43, however got stuck with a problem: how to convert lux (at ~850-950nm) to mW/cm2 or the other way round? [long story] The datasheet for the SFH has a nice plot of photocurrent at reverse voltage of 5V, the BPW datasheet has one as well. The problem is that SFH gives the current versus some value in lux, while BPW versus mW/cm2. Now, there is a nice point where both diodes respond with 8uA: for SFH it is at 100lx, for BPW at 1mW/cm2. From wikipedia I know that for 555nm 1lx=1.46mW/m2, however it seems that this coefficient cannot be applied here as it would yield strange results: for SFH - 8uA would be at 146mW/m2, while for BPW at 10000mW/m2. So, how to compare the response of the two diodes? Maybe there are other means of quantitatively comparing them? Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Quintus Murray Subject: [Ronja] must know To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Message-ID: <20050625221119.5154.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi this is quintus I would like to know if the ronja internet system can be made portable? can it's speed be enhanced by adding gigabit ethernet components? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sign up for Fantasy Football > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja End of Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 ************************************* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050626/5ab317c6/attachment-0001.htm From ronja at hansmi.ch Sun Jun 26 15:30:57 2005 From: ronja at hansmi.ch (Michael Hanselmann) Date: Sun Jun 26 15:31:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] jine informacni kanaly ? In-Reply-To: <42BED3E5.1040606@katka.biz> References: <42BED3E5.1040606@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050626143057.GE5152@hansmi.ch> Hello > I found note about irc channel #ronja@irc.freenode.net on support > page. Is here anyone using it ? I've been in there a few days earlier this month and nobody showed up. Greets, Michael -- Gentoo Linux Developer using m0n0wall | http://hansmi.ch/ Crazee Edeee, his prices are INSANE!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050626/1b3e760d/attachment.bin From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sun Jun 26 15:39:40 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Petr_Dvo=F8=E1k?=) Date: Sun Jun 26 15:38:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] jine informacni kanaly ? In-Reply-To: <42BED3E5.1040606@katka.biz> References: <42BED3E5.1040606@katka.biz> Message-ID: <42BEBE2C.1060407@centrum.cz> Martin Polehla wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Ahoj >Koukal sem na support stranku ronji a je tam neco ohledne #ronja @ >irc.freenode.net. Prihlasujete se tam nekdo ? > >I found note about irc channel #ronja@irc.freenode.net on support >page. Is here anyone using it ? > >p0l0us >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFCvtPlYo9JRD7EbFIRApugAKCTDnTchBqVW0jlG+VI10T0XvErdgCfVmtM >c3aSLHxZDzvlEvh6jHQIjQk= >=NAvG >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > so.. let's go! From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 27 10:42:29 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jun 27 10:43:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] jine informacni kanaly ? In-Reply-To: <42BED3E5.1040606@katka.biz> References: <42BED3E5.1040606@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050627094229.GC21645@kestrel> On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 04:12:21PM +0000, Martin Polehla wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ahoj > Koukal sem na support stranku ronji a je tam neco ohledne #ronja @ > irc.freenode.net. Prihlasujete se tam nekdo ? > I found note about irc channel #ronja@irc.freenode.net on support > page. Is here anyone using it ? I was a fan of SILC until I discovered that it's a snake oil - the fundamentally secure mode of communication (point-to-point cipher protection) works, but is difficult to set up and when the connection breaks apart, you have to set up keys and encryption again -> totally unusable. The default security (basically SSL to server) is broken by principle - the server can sniff and record everything, as can do anyone who cracks the server. Therefore I forgot about SILC and came to conclusion that it's better to use unencrypted channel than a one that looks like encrypted but actually is fundamentally broken. And the unencrypted version of SILC is called IRC :) CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 27 10:54:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jun 27 10:56:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 In-Reply-To: <200506252238.14116.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <200506252238.14116.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20050627095441.GD21645@kestrel> On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 10:38:14PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > Hello, > > [short story] > I've been trying to compare datasheets of SFH-203 and BPW-43, however > got stuck with a problem: how to convert lux (at ~850-950nm) to mW/cm2 or the > other way round? > > > [long story] > The datasheet for the SFH has a nice plot of photocurrent at reverse voltage > of 5V, the BPW datasheet has one as well. The problem is that SFH gives the > current versus some value in lux, while BPW versus mW/cm2. Now, there is a > nice point where both diodes respond with 8uA: for SFH it is at 100lx, for > BPW at 1mW/cm2. From wikipedia I know that for 555nm 1lx=1.46mW/m2, however > it seems that this coefficient cannot be applied here as it would yield > strange results: for SFH - 8uA would be at 146mW/m2, while for BPW at > 10000mW/m2. So, how to compare the response of the two diodes? Maybe there They are giving it for some "normalized" light probably, maybe in Kelvins? You have to 1) Find out spectral curve of the source 2) Curve how lumens depend on watts and nanometers 3) Multiply/divide/whatever it in Excel 4) Integrate the result across the spectrum to get lumens/watt of the "normalized light" and then calculate. CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 27 10:56:23 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jun 27 10:57:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] must know In-Reply-To: <20050625221119.5154.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050625221119.5154.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050627095623.GE21645@kestrel> On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 03:11:18PM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > hi this is quintus I would like to know if the ronja internet system > can be made portable? can it's speed be enhanced by adding gigabit > ethernet components? Ronja currently doesn't have a portable model, but if there is enough interest for that and time to design, I could make some. Gigabit speed is not currently supported but there seems only the lack of time to be in the way. CL< From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Mon Jun 27 11:01:15 2005 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Mon Jun 27 11:03:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB8E77CE@vestex01.vest.corp> > > They are giving it for some "normalized" light probably, maybe in > Kelvins? > > You have to > 1) Find out spectral curve of the source > 2) Curve how lumens depend on watts and nanometers > 3) Multiply/divide/whatever it in Excel Holly shit! Full mouth of open source and free sw and now excel here... :-) Take it easy... -- Kosac > 4) Integrate the result across the spectrum to get lumens/watt of the > "normalized light" and then calculate. > > CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 27 11:04:33 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jun 27 11:05:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <20050626133414.30238.qmail@web53405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050626133414.30238.qmail@web53405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050627100433.GA24093@kestrel> On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 06:34:14AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > how much does the ronja internet system weigh? I don't have the optical heads modelled yet, but let's count them as 1kg per head. For perpendicular console that's 2*2.17+2*2.54+2=11.42kg http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/ If you count 2 devices necessary for 1 link, that's 22.84kg. CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 27 11:05:45 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jun 27 11:06:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <20050626142440.42073.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050626142440.42073.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050627100545.GB24093@kestrel> On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 07:24:39AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > hi it's me again and I would like to know what components could be > used to make ronja as fast as 1Gbps internet speed? and what are the > components that shape the internet speed of the ronja system? the > component list is confuseing. I also want the website of the Which component list is confusing? And what's confusing on it? > manufacturers of each component used in the ronja inferno model > thank you the data you give me would be very appreciated. Ronja is designed from "generic" components which are not locked-in to any single vendor, where possible. CL< From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 19:40:15 2005 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Mon Jun 27 19:40:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 25 Message-ID: <20050627184015.10799.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> hi I would like to have a portable 3lbs. version of the ronja system and can it also have a speed of 1Gbps or higher and a home version of this system I will need it to have global internet connectivity for my portable devices and if you don't mind would you have one before july 16th when I leave I might need it for my wi-fi devices and my wi-fi access piont which is also portable if not tell me the following devices I would need in order to build a portable ronja system with internet speeds rangeing from 10Mbps or 100Mbps to 1Gbps or 10Gbps if possible it would be greatly appreciated thank you I would prefer the minimum speed to be 1Gbps ok bye. ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: jine informacni kanaly ? (Michael Hanselmann) 2. Re: jine informacni kanaly ? (Petr Dvo??k) 3. Re: jine informacni kanaly ? (Karel Kulhavy) 4. Re: comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 (Karel Kulhavy) 5. Re: must know (Karel Kulhavy) 6. RE: comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) 7. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 (Karel Kulhavy) 8. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 (Karel Kulhavy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:30:57 +0200 From: Michael Hanselmann Subject: Re: [Ronja] jine informacni kanaly ? To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050626143057.GE5152@hansmi.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello > I found note about irc channel #ronja@irc.freenode.net on support > page. Is here anyone using it ? I've been in there a few days earlier this month and nobody showed up. Greets, Michael -- Gentoo Linux Developer using m0n0wall | http://hansmi.ch/ Crazee Edeee, his prices are INSANE!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050626/1b3e760d/attachment-0001.bin ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:39:40 +0200 From: Petr Dvo??k Subject: Re: [Ronja] jine informacni kanaly ? To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <42BEBE2C.1060407@centrum.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Martin Polehla wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Ahoj >Koukal sem na support stranku ronji a je tam neco ohledne #ronja @ >irc.freenode.net. Prihlasujete se tam nekdo ? > >I found note about irc channel #ronja@irc.freenode.net on support >page. Is here anyone using it ? > >p0l0us >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFCvtPlYo9JRD7EbFIRApugAKCTDnTchBqVW0jlG+VI10T0XvErdgCfVmtM >c3aSLHxZDzvlEvh6jHQIjQk= >=NAvG >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > so.. let's go! ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:42:29 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] jine informacni kanaly ? To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050627094229.GC21645@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 04:12:21PM +0000, Martin Polehla wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ahoj > Koukal sem na support stranku ronji a je tam neco ohledne #ronja @ > irc.freenode.net. Prihlasujete se tam nekdo ? > I found note about irc channel #ronja@irc.freenode.net on support > page. Is here anyone using it ? I was a fan of SILC until I discovered that it's a snake oil - the fundamentally secure mode of communication (point-to-point cipher protection) works, but is difficult to set up and when the connection breaks apart, you have to set up keys and encryption again -> totally unusable. The default security (basically SSL to server) is broken by principle - the server can sniff and record everything, as can do anyone who cracks the server. Therefore I forgot about SILC and came to conclusion that it's better to use unencrypted channel than a one that looks like encrypted but actually is fundamentally broken. And the unencrypted version of SILC is called IRC :) CL< ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:54:42 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050627095441.GD21645@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 10:38:14PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > Hello, > > [short story] > I've been trying to compare datasheets of SFH-203 and BPW-43, however > got stuck with a problem: how to convert lux (at ~850-950nm) to mW/cm2 or the > other way round? > > > [long story] > The datasheet for the SFH has a nice plot of photocurrent at reverse voltage > of 5V, the BPW datasheet has one as well. The problem is that SFH gives the > current versus some value in lux, while BPW versus mW/cm2. Now, there is a > nice point where both diodes respond with 8uA: for SFH it is at 100lx, for > BPW at 1mW/cm2. From wikipedia I know that for 555nm 1lx=1.46mW/m2, however > it seems that this coefficient cannot be applied here as it would yield > strange results: for SFH - 8uA would be at 146mW/m2, while for BPW at > 10000mW/m2. So, how to compare the response of the two diodes? Maybe there They are giving it for some "normalized" light probably, maybe in Kelvins? You have to 1) Find out spectral curve of the source 2) Curve how lumens depend on watts and nanometers 3) Multiply/divide/whatever it in Excel 4) Integrate the result across the spectrum to get lumens/watt of the "normalized light" and then calculate. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:56:23 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] must know To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050627095623.GE21645@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 03:11:18PM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > hi this is quintus I would like to know if the ronja internet system > can be made portable? can it's speed be enhanced by adding gigabit > ethernet components? Ronja currently doesn't have a portable model, but if there is enough interest for that and time to design, I could make some. Gigabit speed is not currently supported but there seems only the lack of time to be in the way. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:01:15 +0200 From: Subject: RE: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 To: Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB8E77CE@vestex01.vest.corp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > They are giving it for some "normalized" light probably, maybe in > Kelvins? > > You have to > 1) Find out spectral curve of the source > 2) Curve how lumens depend on watts and nanometers > 3) Multiply/divide/whatever it in Excel Holly shit! Full mouth of open source and free sw and now excel here... :-) Take it easy... -- Kosac > 4) Integrate the result across the spectrum to get lumens/watt of the > "normalized light" and then calculate. > > CL< ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:04:33 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050627100433.GA24093@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 06:34:14AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > how much does the ronja internet system weigh? I don't have the optical heads modelled yet, but let's count them as 1kg per head. For perpendicular console that's 2*2.17+2*2.54+2=11.42kg http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/ If you count 2 devices necessary for 1 link, that's 22.84kg. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:05:45 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050627100545.GB24093@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 07:24:39AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > hi it's me again and I would like to know what components could be > used to make ronja as fast as 1Gbps internet speed? and what are the > components that shape the internet speed of the ronja system? the > component list is confuseing. I also want the website of the Which component list is confusing? And what's confusing on it? > manufacturers of each component used in the ronja inferno model > thank you the data you give me would be very appreciated. Ronja is designed from "generic" components which are not locked-in to any single vendor, where possible. 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URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050627/095ad799/attachment.htm From jojo at matfyz.cz Mon Jun 27 19:51:38 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Mon Jun 27 19:51:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <20050627184015.10799.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050627185138.GA15396@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On 2005-06-27 11:40 -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > hi I would like to have a portable 3lbs. version of the ronja system > and can it also have a speed of 1Gbps or higher and a home version of > this system I will need it to have global internet connectivity for my > portable devices and if you don't mind would you have one before july > 16th when I leave I might need it for my wi-fi devices and my wi-fi > access piont which is also portable if not tell me the following > devices I would need in order to build a portable ronja system with > internet speeds rangeing from 10Mbps or 100Mbps to 1Gbps or 10Gbps if > possible it would be greatly appreciated thank you I would prefer the > minimum speed to be 1Gbps ok bye. Not really, you are funny :-). And please, do not include the whole digest into your reply, please. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 28 09:44:04 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Jun 28 09:45:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB8E77CE@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB8E77CE@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20050628084404.GA27941@kestrel> On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 12:01:15PM +0200, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > > > > They are giving it for some "normalized" light probably, maybe in > > Kelvins? > > > > You have to > > 1) Find out spectral curve of the source > > 2) Curve how lumens depend on watts and nanometers > > 3) Multiply/divide/whatever it in Excel > > Holly shit! Full mouth of open source and free sw and now excel here... > :-) > Take it easy... I mean Open Office Calc. Office people will use Excel and Open Office people will already know that "Excel" means "Open Office Calc" :) CL< From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Tue Jun 28 10:13:48 2005 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (Patrick Deelman) Date: Tue Jun 28 10:13:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <20050627184015.10799.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050627184015.10799.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42C114CC.9060400@hccnet.nl> Quintus Murray wrote: > hi I would like to have a portable 3lbs. version of the ronja system > and can it also have a speed of 1Gbps or higher and a home version of > this system I will need it to have global internet connectivity for my > portable devices and if you don't mind would you have one before july > 16th when I leave I might need it for my wi-fi devices and my wi-fi > access piont which is also portable if not tell me the following > devices I would need in order to build a portable ronja system with > internet speeds rangeing from 10Mbps or 100Mbps to 1Gbps or 10Gbps if > possible it would be greatly appreciated thank you I would prefer the > minimum speed to be 1Gbps ok bye. Sure no problem at all :) Just donate a couple grands. Definition "couple": not 2 or 3, but higher Definition "grand": 1000 units of money Definition "money" dollars or euro's, not chilian peso's ow and don't expect that 16 july deadline :) Patrick Ow btw the first reaction was something in the line of: HAHAHAHAHA From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 28 10:15:07 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Jun 28 10:16:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Vishay on ebay - is this a good price? In-Reply-To: <003d01c57b28$1f95dab0$0200a8c0@desktop> References: <003d01c57b28$1f95dab0$0200a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <20050628091507.GA28188@kestrel> On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 03:54:30PM +0100, Marc Bradley Computer Sorted - www.smoothbeer.com - www.reelthingproductions.co.uk wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7526232462&ssPageName=MERC_BC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_W0 TLWR7600 has low performance. The price is more than twice what it's possible to buy it in shop for in Prague. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 28 14:29:47 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Jun 28 14:31:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <42C114CC.9060400@hccnet.nl> References: <20050627184015.10799.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> <42C114CC.9060400@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <20050628132947.GB6340@kestrel> On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:13:48AM +0200, Patrick Deelman wrote: > Quintus Murray wrote: > > >hi I would like to have a portable 3lbs. version of the ronja system > >and can it also have a speed of 1Gbps or higher and a home version of > >this system I will need it to have global internet connectivity for my > >portable devices and if you don't mind would you have one before july > >16th when I leave I might need it for my wi-fi devices and my wi-fi > >access piont which is also portable if not tell me the following > >devices I would need in order to build a portable ronja system with > >internet speeds rangeing from 10Mbps or 100Mbps to 1Gbps or 10Gbps if > >possible it would be greatly appreciated thank you I would prefer the > >minimum speed to be 1Gbps ok bye. If you have enough fat stream of bucks to permanently spend, you could pay Ronja as my permanent "job" :) But still, 10Gbps on 16th July doesn't sound real (and Ronja would of course have to stay "release under GPL to the public or not release at all", sorry ;-) ) CL< From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Tue Jun 28 17:35:37 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ciBEdm/FmcOhaw==?=) Date: Tue Jun 28 17:34:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami In-Reply-To: <1119710901.42bd6eb563a1f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20050624144242.GA23325@kestrel> <000d01c578d3$976e0690$0103450a@thechosen> <42BC3A12.8070401@hkfree.org> <20050624190310.GA2458@kestrel> <1119710901.42bd6eb563a1f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42C17C59.2010904@centrum.cz> takze to video si muzete stahnout na http://www.czflabs.net ROOTen Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: >Tak me to nedalo a trochu jsem pokusoval. Snazil jsem se propalovat plastove >roury pomoci raketoveho paliva a poridil jsem dost drasticke video. Pokud by byl >nekdo ochoten hostovat 5MB klip tak mu to poslu. >Trubky jsem smazil raketovym motorkem bez trysky. Spaliny byly s prebytkem >kysliku a mely teplotu pres 1000?C. Samotny motorek byla PVC roura a ta >nehorela ani za nic. >Do jine sede roury z PVC jsem vytavil diru ale horet nechtela. >Do sede roury ze polypropylenu jsem vytavil taky diru a dokud na ni sel plamen >tak horela. Pak jsem na ni primo nasypal raketove palivo a zapalil. To sem me >bohuzel na fotak dostat nepodarilo nebot od produkovane IR uplne oslepnul >. Po >shoreni paliva zbytek roury pomalu horel, ale spis jako svicka - tj. zuhelnatele >zbytky paliva slouzily jako knot. Jakmlile jsem je seskrabl, tak uz to na tom >miste nehorelo. >Jeste podotykam ze pouzite mnozstvi paliva dokazalo propalit 1cm silne smrkove >prkynko behem 5 sekund. >Pro jistotu jsem jeste tutez rouru tavil horkovzdusnou pistoli pri cca 650?C a >podarilo se me ji akorat roztavit. >Pristi tyden se jeste pustim do oranzove roury. > >Zaver: Testovane materialy jsou samozhasive jak tvrdi vyrobce ale PP je schopen >horet pokud ma k dispozici neco jako knot. Takze /IMHO/ je hodne blbej napad >trubku zevnitr natirat barvou neznameho slozeni a horlavosti nebo tam dokonce >cpat saze s kanogomem jak jsem to nedavno videl. >Taky nelze trubky rozlisovat podle barev ale jedine podle natisknuteho popisu od >vyrobce. > >Petr > > > >>On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 06:51:30PM +0200, Kendy - HKFree wrote: >> >> >>>Ty oranzove maji byt absolutne nehorlave. Kdyz do toho nekdo (z >>>doslechu) palil autogenem, tak horelo jen to aktualni mistecko, kdyz >>>autogen zhasli, tak roura prestala horet.... >>> >>> >>Hmm... ale upozornit v navodu by se na to asi melo - pak nekdo misto >>nehorlave pouzije horlavou (sedou?) a uz to pofrci :) >> >>CL< >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Jun 28 19:23:16 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Jun 28 19:28:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami In-Reply-To: <42C17C59.2010904@centrum.cz> References: <1119710901.42bd6eb563a1f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42C1B1B4.25356.73AF76@localhost> Posuzujte tuto grotesku prosim shovivave. Ac to tak nevypada, tak hlavni akter (Buster Keaton, zvany Frigo) momentalne aspiruje na inzenyrsky titul v oboru slaboprouda elektronika. Taky kameraman pred natacenim absorboval dve dobre vychlazene plzne a strihal to muj pes. Jinak ta dymovnice je vyrobena z novodurove trubky - PVC-U. A taveny krouzek je z polypropylenu rizlem nejakou primesi - PP, tez zvany HT odpadni system. > takze to video si muzete stahnout na http://www.czflabs.net > > ROOTen > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > >Tak me to nedalo a trochu jsem pokusoval. Snazil jsem se propalovat plastove > >roury pomoci raketoveho paliva a poridil jsem dost drasticke video. Pokud by byl > >nekdo ochoten hostovat 5MB klip tak mu to poslu. > >Trubky jsem smazil raketovym motorkem bez trysky. Spaliny byly s prebytkem > >kysliku a mely teplotu pres 1000??C. Samotny motorek byla PVC roura a ta > >nehorela ani za nic. > >Do jine sede roury z PVC jsem vytavil diru ale horet nechtela. > >Do sede roury ze polypropylenu jsem vytavil taky diru a dokud na ni sel plamen > >tak horela. Pak jsem na ni primo nasypal raketove palivo a zapalil. To sem me > >bohuzel na fotak dostat nepodarilo nebot od produkovane IR uplne oslepnul From djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz Tue Jun 28 19:51:54 2005 From: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz (dj-bobr) Date: Tue Jun 28 19:52:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami In-Reply-To: <42C17C59.2010904@centrum.cz> References: <20050624144242.GA23325@kestrel> <000d01c578d3$976e0690$0103450a@thechosen> <42BC3A12.8070401@hkfree.org> <20050624190310.GA2458@kestrel> <1119710901.42bd6eb563a1f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42C17C59.2010904@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42C19C4A.1070107@seznam.cz> CZFree.Net mirror videa: http://10.55.16.149/storage/testPPtrubky.avi dj-bobr > takze to video si muzete stahnout na http://www.czflabs.net > > ROOTen > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > >>Tak me to nedalo a trochu jsem pokusoval. Snazil jsem se propalovat plastove >>roury pomoci raketoveho paliva a poridil jsem dost drasticke video. Pokud by byl >>nekdo ochoten hostovat 5MB klip tak mu to poslu. >>Trubky jsem smazil raketovym motorkem bez trysky. Spaliny byly s prebytkem >>kysliku a mely teplotu pres 1000?C. Samotny motorek byla PVC roura a ta >>nehorela ani za nic. >>Do jine sede roury z PVC jsem vytavil diru ale horet nechtela. >>Do sede roury ze polypropylenu jsem vytavil taky diru a dokud na ni sel plamen >>tak horela. Pak jsem na ni primo nasypal raketove palivo a zapalil. To sem me >>bohuzel na fotak dostat nepodarilo nebot od produkovane IR uplne oslepnul >>. Po >>shoreni paliva zbytek roury pomalu horel, ale spis jako svicka - tj. zuhelnatele >>zbytky paliva slouzily jako knot. Jakmlile jsem je seskrabl, tak uz to na tom >>miste nehorelo. >>Jeste podotykam ze pouzite mnozstvi paliva dokazalo propalit 1cm silne smrkove >>prkynko behem 5 sekund. >>Pro jistotu jsem jeste tutez rouru tavil horkovzdusnou pistoli pri cca 650?C a >>podarilo se me ji akorat roztavit. >>Pristi tyden se jeste pustim do oranzove roury. >> >>Zaver: Testovane materialy jsou samozhasive jak tvrdi vyrobce ale PP je schopen >>horet pokud ma k dispozici neco jako knot. Takze /IMHO/ je hodne blbej napad >>trubku zevnitr natirat barvou neznameho slozeni a horlavosti nebo tam dokonce >>cpat saze s kanogomem jak jsem to nedavno videl. >>Taky nelze trubky rozlisovat podle barev ale jedine podle natisknuteho popisu od >>vyrobce. >> >>Petr >> >> >> >> >>>On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 06:51:30PM +0200, Kendy - HKFree wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Ty oranzove maji byt absolutne nehorlave. Kdyz do toho nekdo (z >>>>doslechu) palil autogenem, tak horelo jen to aktualni mistecko, kdyz >>>>autogen zhasli, tak roura prestala horet.... >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Hmm... ale upozornit v navodu by se na to asi melo - pak nekdo misto >>>nehorlave pouzije horlavou (sedou?) a uz to pofrci :) >>> >>>CL< >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 00:54:08 2005 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Wed Jun 29 00:54:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 26 Message-ID: <20050628235409.49611.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> OK I can manage to have my parents donate or in my terms pay you $1000 to build a RONJA system with an internet speed of 1Gbps and a portable version of that model in addition. just tell me how I can send you or donate the money. if you can't make a 1Gbps internet speed can it be at least a range from 100Mbps to 1Gbps speed and scratch that deadline I will tell you when I need it. ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 25 (Quintus Murray) 2. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 25 (Marian Cerny) 3. Re: comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 (Karel Kulhavy) 4. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 25 (Patrick Deelman) 5. Re: Vishay on ebay - is this a good price? (Karel Kulhavy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Quintus Murray Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 25 To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Message-ID: <20050627184015.10799.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi I would like to have a portable 3lbs. version of the ronja system and can it also have a speed of 1Gbps or higher and a home version of this system I will need it to have global internet connectivity for my portable devices and if you don't mind would you have one before july 16th when I leave I might need it for my wi-fi devices and my wi-fi access piont which is also portable if not tell me the following devices I would need in order to build a portable ronja system with internet speeds rangeing from 10Mbps or 100Mbps to 1Gbps or 10Gbps if possible it would be greatly appreciated thank you I would prefer the minimum speed to be 1Gbps ok bye. ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: jine informacni kanaly ? (Michael Hanselmann) 2. Re: jine informacni kanaly ? (Petr Dvo??k) 3. Re: jine informacni kanaly ? (Karel Kulhavy) 4. Re: comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 (Karel Kulhavy) 5. Re: must know (Karel Kulhavy) 6. RE: comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) 7. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 (Karel Kulhavy) 8. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 (Karel Kulhavy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:30:57 +0200 From: Michael Hanselmann Subject: Re: [Ronja] jine informacni kanaly ? To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050626143057.GE5152@hansmi.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello > I found note about irc channel #ronja@irc.freenode.net on support > page. Is here anyone using it ? I've been in there a few days earlier this month and nobody showed up. Greets, Michael -- Gentoo Linux Developer using m0n0wall | http://hansmi.ch/ Crazee Edeee, his prices are INSANE!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050626/1b3e760d/attachment-0001.bin ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:39:40 +0200 From: Petr Dvo??k Subject: Re: [Ronja] jine informacni kanaly ? To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <42BEBE2C.1060407@centrum.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Martin Polehla wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Ahoj >Koukal sem na support stranku ronji a je tam neco ohledne #ronja @ >irc.freenode.net. Prihlasujete se tam nekdo ? > >I found note about irc channel #ronja@irc.freenode.net on support >page. Is here anyone using it ? > >p0l0us >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFCvtPlYo9JRD7EbFIRApugAKCTDnTchBqVW0jlG+VI10T0XvErdgCfVmtM >c3aSLHxZDzvlEvh6jHQIjQk= >=NAvG >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > so.. let's go! ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:42:29 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] jine informacni kanaly ? To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050627094229.GC21645@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 04:12:21PM +0000, Martin Polehla wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ahoj > Koukal sem na support stranku ronji a je tam neco ohledne #ronja @ > irc.freenode.net. Prihlasujete se tam nekdo ? > I found note about irc channel #ronja@irc.freenode.net on support > page. Is here anyone using it ? I was a fan of SILC until I discovered that it's a snake oil - the fundamentally secure mode of communication (point-to-point cipher protection) works, but is difficult to set up and when the connection breaks apart, you have to set up keys and encryption again -> totally unusable. The default security (basically SSL to server) is broken by principle - the server can sniff and record everything, as can do anyone who cracks the server. Therefore I forgot about SILC and came to conclusion that it's better to use unencrypted channel than a one that looks like encrypted but actually is fundamentally broken. And the unencrypted version of SILC is called IRC :) CL< ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:54:42 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050627095441.GD21645@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 10:38:14PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > Hello, > > [short story] > I've been trying to compare datasheets of SFH-203 and BPW-43, however > got stuck with a problem: how to convert lux (at ~850-950nm) to mW/cm2 or the > other way round? > > > [long story] > The datasheet for the SFH has a nice plot of photocurrent at reverse voltage > of 5V, the BPW datasheet has one as well. The problem is that SFH gives the > current versus some value in lux, while BPW versus mW/cm2. Now, there is a > nice point where both diodes respond with 8uA: for SFH it is at 100lx, for > BPW at 1mW/cm2. From wikipedia I know that for 555nm 1lx=1.46mW/m2, however > it seems that this coefficient cannot be applied here as it would yield > strange results: for SFH - 8uA would be at 146mW/m2, while for BPW at > 10000mW/m2. So, how to compare the response of the two diodes? Maybe there They are giving it for some "normalized" light probably, maybe in Kelvins? You have to 1) Find out spectral curve of the source 2) Curve how lumens depend on watts and nanometers 3) Multiply/divide/whatever it in Excel 4) Integrate the result across the spectrum to get lumens/watt of the "normalized light" and then calculate. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:56:23 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] must know To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050627095623.GE21645@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 03:11:18PM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > hi this is quintus I would like to know if the ronja internet system > can be made portable? can it's speed be enhanced by adding gigabit > ethernet components? Ronja currently doesn't have a portable model, but if there is enough interest for that and time to design, I could make some. Gigabit speed is not currently supported but there seems only the lack of time to be in the way. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:01:15 +0200 From: Subject: RE: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 To: Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB8E77CE@vestex01.vest.corp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > They are giving it for some "normalized" light probably, maybe in > Kelvins? > > You have to > 1) Find out spectral curve of the source > 2) Curve how lumens depend on watts and nanometers > 3) Multiply/divide/whatever it in Excel Holly shit! Full mouth of open source and free sw and now excel here... :-) Take it easy... -- Kosac > 4) Integrate the result across the spectrum to get lumens/watt of the > "normalized light" and then calculate. > > CL< ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:04:33 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050627100433.GA24093@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 06:34:14AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > how much does the ronja internet system weigh? I don't have the optical heads modelled yet, but let's count them as 1kg per head. For perpendicular console that's 2*2.17+2*2.54+2=11.42kg http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/ If you count 2 devices necessary for 1 link, that's 22.84kg. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:05:45 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050627100545.GB24093@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 07:24:39AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > hi it's me again and I would like to know what components could be > used to make ronja as fast as 1Gbps internet speed? and what are the > components that shape the internet speed of the ronja system? the > component list is confuseing. I also want the website of the Which component list is confusing? And what's confusing on it? > manufacturers of each component used in the ronja inferno model > thank you the data you give me would be very appreciated. Ronja is designed from "generic" components which are not locked-in to any single vendor, where possible. 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URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050627/095ad799/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:51:38 +0200 From: Marian Cerny Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 25 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050627185138.GA15396@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2005-06-27 11:40 -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > hi I would like to have a portable 3lbs. version of the ronja system > and can it also have a speed of 1Gbps or higher and a home version of > this system I will need it to have global internet connectivity for my > portable devices and if you don't mind would you have one before july > 16th when I leave I might need it for my wi-fi devices and my wi-fi > access piont which is also portable if not tell me the following > devices I would need in order to build a portable ronja system with > internet speeds rangeing from 10Mbps or 100Mbps to 1Gbps or 10Gbps if > possible it would be greatly appreciated thank you I would prefer the > minimum speed to be 1Gbps ok bye. Not really, you are funny :-). And please, do not include the whole digest into your reply, please. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:44:04 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050628084404.GA27941@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 12:01:15PM +0200, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > > > > They are giving it for some "normalized" light probably, maybe in > > Kelvins? > > > > You have to > > 1) Find out spectral curve of the source > > 2) Curve how lumens depend on watts and nanometers > > 3) Multiply/divide/whatever it in Excel > > Holly shit! Full mouth of open source and free sw and now excel here... > :-) > Take it easy... I mean Open Office Calc. Office people will use Excel and Open Office people will already know that "Excel" means "Open Office Calc" :) CL< ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:13:48 +0200 From: Patrick Deelman Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 25 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <42C114CC.9060400@hccnet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Quintus Murray wrote: > hi I would like to have a portable 3lbs. version of the ronja system > and can it also have a speed of 1Gbps or higher and a home version of > this system I will need it to have global internet connectivity for my > portable devices and if you don't mind would you have one before july > 16th when I leave I might need it for my wi-fi devices and my wi-fi > access piont which is also portable if not tell me the following > devices I would need in order to build a portable ronja system with > internet speeds rangeing from 10Mbps or 100Mbps to 1Gbps or 10Gbps if > possible it would be greatly appreciated thank you I would prefer the > minimum speed to be 1Gbps ok bye. Sure no problem at all :) Just donate a couple grands. Definition "couple": not 2 or 3, but higher Definition "grand": 1000 units of money Definition "money" dollars or euro's, not chilian peso's ow and don't expect that 16 july deadline :) Patrick Ow btw the first reaction was something in the line of: HAHAHAHAHA ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:15:07 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: [Ronja] Re: Vishay on ebay - is this a good price? To: "Marc Bradley Computer Sorted - www.smoothbeer.com - www.reelthingproductions.co.uk" Cc: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050628091507.GA28188@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 03:54:30PM +0100, Marc Bradley Computer Sorted - www.smoothbeer.com - www.reelthingproductions.co.uk wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7526232462&ssPageName=MERC_BC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_W0 TLWR7600 has low performance. The price is more than twice what it's possible to buy it in shop for in Prague. CL< ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja End of Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 26 ************************************* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050628/9cd94ecd/attachment-0001.htm From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Wed Jun 29 12:24:12 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Jun 29 12:25:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky Message-ID: <42C284DC.2090900@centrum.cz> Kdyz davate do ronji kupnou civku, jak velkou indikcnost pouzivate? v jakemsi schematu jsem videl 1mH ale to je nak moc ne?! From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 29 13:01:35 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:01:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky References: <42C284DC.2090900@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> ja pouzivam TLEC24-1R0K tlumivka 1uH 10% 0.15R 815mA driv to bylo ve schematu, 1uH ale pak to dal clock zase pryc ze to jednomu cloveku shorelo, ondrovi tesarovi, ovsem teda nechapu co stim delal, me to na 6 ronjach se nepovedlo znicit. to aby nahradil odpory z filtrace napajeni aspon na 2W protoze pri skratu to pujde taky pryc. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: "Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky > Kdyz davate do ronji kupnou civku, jak velkou indikcnost pouzivate? v > jakemsi schematu jsem videl 1mH ale to je nak moc ne?! > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jun 29 13:08:11 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:13:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <42C2AB4B.3715.73B775@localhost> Tahle je OK, maj ji v GESu. Vtip je v tom ze pri pruseru shori ona a ne nic drazsiho a vite o tom. Davat tam vetsi nez 1uH nema moc cenu, nebot v potaz vstupuje vlastni rezonancni frekvence tlumivky a ta u 1mH civky uplne zrusi jeji funkci v tomhle filtru. Taky je dobre kondenzatorum na zem kolem cicky zkratit nozicky na minimum. Petr > ja pouzivam > TLEC24-1R0K > tlumivka 1uH 10% 0.15R 815mA > > driv to bylo ve schematu, 1uH ale pak to dal clock zase pryc ze to jednomu > cloveku shorelo, ondrovi tesarovi, ovsem teda nechapu co stim delal, me to > na 6 ronjach se nepovedlo znicit. to aby nahradil odpory z filtrace napajeni > aspon na 2W protoze pri skratu to pujde taky pryc. > > Glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > To: "Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:24 PM > Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky > > > > Kdyz davate do ronji kupnou civku, jak velkou indikcnost pouzivate? v > > jakemsi schematu jsem videl 1mH ale to je nak moc ne?! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Wed Jun 29 13:34:16 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:34:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> References: <42C284DC.2090900@centrum.cz> <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <42C29548.6@centrum.cz> diky neznate este nake figle ktere pridavaji funkcnosti,vzdalenosti,spolehlivosti co se tyce elektroniky? myslim ruzne zmeny v hodnotach soucastek a tak .... neco sem nekde videl ze udajne pomuze prohodit kondik s odporem, jako jejich pozice, mam pocit ze to psal.. mnaga? .. ale uz nevim kdy kde :( Michal Mal??ek napsal(a): > ja pouzivam > TLEC24-1R0K > tlumivka 1uH 10% 0.15R 815mA > > driv to bylo ve schematu, 1uH ale pak to dal clock zase pryc ze to jednomu > cloveku shorelo, ondrovi tesarovi, ovsem teda nechapu co stim delal, me to > na 6 ronjach se nepovedlo znicit. to aby nahradil odpory z filtrace napajeni > aspon na 2W protoze pri skratu to pujde taky pryc. > > Glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > To: "Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:24 PM > Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky > > > >>Kdyz davate do ronji kupnou civku, jak velkou indikcnost pouzivate? v >>jakemsi schematu jsem videl 1mH ale to je nak moc ne?! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 29 13:35:45 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:35:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky References: <42C2AB4B.3715.73B775@localhost> Message-ID: <000901c57ca7$123d7f50$0103450a@thechosen> ono dalsi vec ze cim vyssi indukcnost u tehle pidi tlumivek tak se snizuje povoleny proud a tlumivka 1mH na 1A je uz pekna kravka :) nedej boze kdyby si si to vinul sam tim dratem predepsanym :) btw kdyz tak porad piseme do toho mailing listu. zkusim tu hodit dotaz na neco jineho nez ronja, neznate nekdo nebo nemate napsane neco pro linux treba do procmailu nebo jinam co redukuje mailove hlavicky? pripadne i obsah? je to celkem jednoduche ale nece se mi nic psat. jen hlavicka z tehle mailingove konfery ma kolikrat vioc nez obsah. je tam vetsinou plno tagu co mi jsou treb ana nic (jakej spam assasin to checkoval a ruzne kraviny). kdyz to nekdy doluju pres gprs je to drahy. glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Michal Mal ek" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky Tahle je OK, maj ji v GESu. Vtip je v tom ze pri pruseru shori ona a ne nic drazsiho a vite o tom. Davat tam vetsi nez 1uH nema moc cenu, nebot v potaz vstupuje vlastni rezonancni frekvence tlumivky a ta u 1mH civky uplne zrusi jeji funkci v tomhle filtru. Taky je dobre kondenzatorum na zem kolem cicky zkratit nozicky na minimum. Petr > ja pouzivam > TLEC24-1R0K > tlumivka 1uH 10% 0.15R 815mA > > driv to bylo ve schematu, 1uH ale pak to dal clock zase pryc ze to jednomu > cloveku shorelo, ondrovi tesarovi, ovsem teda nechapu co stim delal, me to > na 6 ronjach se nepovedlo znicit. to aby nahradil odpory z filtrace napajeni > aspon na 2W protoze pri skratu to pujde taky pryc. > > Glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > To: "Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:24 PM > Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky > > > > Kdyz davate do ronji kupnou civku, jak velkou indikcnost pouzivate? v > > jakemsi schematu jsem videl 1mH ale to je nak moc ne?! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 29 13:47:36 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:48:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Jen si hrajte s plastovymi rourami a lupami In-Reply-To: <42C17C59.2010904@centrum.cz> References: <20050624144242.GA23325@kestrel> <000d01c578d3$976e0690$0103450a@thechosen> <42BC3A12.8070401@hkfree.org> <20050624190310.GA2458@kestrel> <1119710901.42bd6eb563a1f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42C17C59.2010904@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050629124736.GA26519@kestrel> On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 06:35:37PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > takze to video si muzete stahnout na http://www.czflabs.net Hmm, thanks for experiment, I have downloaded it and put into my TODO to put it on the Wiki. CL< From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Jun 29 14:05:07 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Jun 29 14:05:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> References: <42C284DC.2090900@centrum.cz> <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <498956729.20050629150507@volny.cz> Co bych s tim delal, jen jsem to zkratoval. Myslim ze se mi to povedlo na Twisterovi a civka se jen rozstrikla. Ondra MM> ja pouzivam MM> TLEC24-1R0K MM> tlumivka 1uH 10% 0.15R 815mA MM> driv to bylo ve schematu, 1uH ale pak to dal clock zase pryc ze to jednomu MM> cloveku shorelo, ondrovi tesarovi, ovsem teda nechapu co stim delal, me to MM> na 6 ronjach se nepovedlo znicit. to aby nahradil odpory z filtrace napajeni MM> aspon na 2W protoze pri skratu to pujde taky pryc. MM> Glo MM> ----- Original Message ----- MM> From: "Jakub Michn?k" MM> To: "Ronja" MM> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:24 PM MM> Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky >> Kdyz davate do ronji kupnou civku, jak velkou indikcnost pouzivate? v >> jakemsi schematu jsem videl 1mH ale to je nak moc ne?! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> MM> _______________________________________________ MM> Ronja mailing list MM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Wed Jun 29 16:15:30 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Jun 29 14:20:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <498956729.20050629150507@volny.cz> References: <42C284DC.2090900@centrum.cz> <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> <498956729.20050629150507@volny.cz> Message-ID: <42C2BB12.8070301@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jojo, rozhodne kdyz ta civka nema spatny parametry (nektere co sem mel meli velkej ubytek), tak je k ochrane dobra, kdyz si nekdo splete Rx a Tx. Poznal sem uz dva takovy pripady a v obou stacilo na twisterovy vymenit tlumivku za drat a slapalo. p0l0us Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Co bych s tim delal, jen jsem to zkratoval. Myslim ze se mi to > povedlo na Twisterovi a civka se jen rozstrikla. > > Ondra > > MM> ja pouzivam MM> TLEC24-1R0K MM> tlumivka 1uH 10% 0.15R 815mA > > MM> driv to bylo ve schematu, 1uH ale pak to dal clock zase pryc ze > to jednomu MM> cloveku shorelo, ondrovi tesarovi, ovsem teda > nechapu co stim delal, me to MM> na 6 ronjach se nepovedlo znicit. > to aby nahradil odpory z filtrace napajeni MM> aspon na 2W protoze > pri skratu to pujde taky pryc. > > MM> Glo > > MM> ----- Original Message ----- MM> From: "Jakub Michn?k" > MM> To: "Ronja" > MM> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:24 > PM MM> Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky > > >>> Kdyz davate do ronji kupnou civku, jak velkou indikcnost >>> pouzivate? v jakemsi schematu jsem videl 1mH ale to je nak moc >>> ne?! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing >>> list Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> > > > MM> _______________________________________________ MM> Ronja > mailing list MM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MM> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCwrsRYo9JRD7EbFIRAtf3AKCZcqk1oBaXKxxIILCG0rg0iogewACeM1EF L8iggAIYAPqSo2xqNCLjBQ8= =1tO8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 29 14:44:37 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 29 14:45:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <498956729.20050629150507@volny.cz> References: <42C284DC.2090900@centrum.cz> <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> <498956729.20050629150507@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050629134437.GA8237@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 03:05:07PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Co bych s tim delal, jen jsem to zkratoval. Myslim ze se mi to povedlo > na Twisterovi a civka se jen rozstrikla. Short circuit can happen easily, when manipulating the wires in heads without turning power off or when inserting coloured wires into wrong terminals. CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 29 14:46:29 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 29 14:47:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> References: <42C284DC.2090900@centrum.cz> <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20050629134629.GA8259@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 02:01:35PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > ja pouzivam > TLEC24-1R0K > tlumivka 1uH 10% 0.15R 815mA > > driv to bylo ve schematu, 1uH ale pak to dal clock zase pryc ze to jednomu > cloveku shorelo, ondrovi tesarovi, ovsem teda nechapu co stim delal, me to > na 6 ronjach se nepovedlo znicit. to aby nahradil odpory z filtrace napajeni > aspon na 2W protoze pri skratu to pujde taky pryc. There are no resistors between power source and places that can be shorted out during manipulation with live cables. CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 29 14:47:01 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 29 14:47:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <42C284DC.2090900@centrum.cz> References: <42C284DC.2090900@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050629134701.GB8259@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 01:24:12PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > Kdyz davate do ronji kupnou civku, jak velkou indikcnost pouzivate? v > jakemsi schematu jsem videl 1mH ale to je nak moc ne?! Now the guide doesn't allow buyed coil, only hand-made. But it used to be 1uH. CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 29 15:05:47 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 29 15:05:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <20050628235409.49611.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050628235409.49611.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050629140547.GA8549@kestrel> On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 04:54:08PM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > OK I can manage to have my parents donate or in my terms pay you $1000 > to build a RONJA system with an internet speed of 1Gbps and a portable > version of that model in addition. just tell me how I can send you or > donate the money. if you can't make a 1Gbps internet speed can it be > at least a range from 100Mbps to 1Gbps speed and scratch that > deadline I will tell you when I need it. Sorry, the planned development first involves fixes and improvements on the 10Mbps version, and only after that, 100Mbps. If you want to send a donation to Ronja project, it's possible, but to specific parts or designs it's not possible. CL< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jun 29 16:57:24 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Jun 29 17:03:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <42C29548.6@centrum.cz> References: <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <42C2E104.20539.1577A8@localhost> To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o nejakych 20cm min, moc sem se stim neparal. Na jedne strane karta s chipsetem Via86VT100 na druhe 10MB HUB druha ronja a za tim switch a druhy pocitac. Pokud by na obou stranach byly 3COM 3C905 nebo neco takoveho bylo by to asi o dost lepsi. 12ks uz slouzi na linkach a musi se rict ze na dvou linkach kde predtim byla jina konstrukce najednou zmizely vypadky kvuli mlze. Zjistilo se zaroven ze RSSI bez signalu ma byt opravdu 0V, muj merak s 20MOhm vstupnim odporem bere sice 1-2mV ruseni ale to vem cert. Lhostejno jestli na to sviti slunce, zarivka na 50Hz, zarovka apod. Jedine kdyz se to da tesne ke kompaktni zarovce monitoru, tak se zvedne maximalne na par desitek mV. Pak to bylo jeste promereno na spektraku, bohuzel nekalibrovanem, kde to vykazalo na vystupu sum cca -35-40dBm v pasmu 0.1-60MHz. Z toho si muzete udelat obrazek o citlivosti. Petr > diky > > neznate este nake figle ktere pridavaji > funkcnosti,vzdalenosti,spolehlivosti co se tyce elektroniky? myslim > ruzne zmeny v hodnotach soucastek a tak .... neco sem nekde videl ze > udajne pomuze prohodit kondik s odporem, jako jejich pozice, mam pocit > ze to psal.. mnaga? .. ale uz nevim kdy kde :( > > Michal Mal ek napsal(a): > > ja pouzivam > > TLEC24-1R0K > > tlumivka 1uH 10% 0.15R 815mA > > > > driv to bylo ve schematu, 1uH ale pak to dal clock zase pryc ze to jednomu > > cloveku shorelo, ondrovi tesarovi, ovsem teda nechapu co stim delal, me to > > na 6 ronjach se nepovedlo znicit. to aby nahradil odpory z filtrace napajeni > > aspon na 2W protoze pri skratu to pujde taky pryc. > > > > Glo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > > To: "Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:24 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky > > > > > > > >>Kdyz davate do ronji kupnou civku, jak velkou indikcnost pouzivate? v > >>jakemsi schematu jsem videl 1mH ale to je nak moc ne?! > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Wed Jun 29 17:47:54 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Petr_Dvo=F8=E1k?=) Date: Wed Jun 29 17:46:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <42C2E104.20539.1577A8@localhost> References: <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> <42C2E104.20539.1577A8@localhost> Message-ID: <42C2D0BA.4020902@centrum.cz> No musim rict, ze to vypada vyborne. Jestli chces, tak ti to muzu pridat jako projekt na czflabs.net a az to uvolnis, tak ti tam vystavit dokumentaci a predlohy pro PCB. ROOTen Petr Seliger wrote: >To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen >jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. >Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je >spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. >Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, >kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, >ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s >rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. >Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen >staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo >osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse >jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti >vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o >nejakych 20cm min, moc sem se stim neparal. Na jedne strane >karta s chipsetem Via86VT100 na druhe 10MB HUB druha ronja a >za tim switch a druhy pocitac. Pokud by na obou stranach byly >3COM 3C905 nebo neco takoveho bylo by to asi o dost lepsi. >12ks uz slouzi na linkach a musi se rict ze na dvou linkach kde >predtim byla jina konstrukce najednou zmizely vypadky kvuli mlze. >Zjistilo se zaroven ze RSSI bez signalu ma byt opravdu 0V, muj >merak s 20MOhm vstupnim odporem bere sice 1-2mV ruseni ale to >vem cert. Lhostejno jestli na to sviti slunce, zarivka na 50Hz, >zarovka apod. Jedine kdyz se to da tesne ke kompaktni zarovce >monitoru, tak se zvedne maximalne na par desitek mV. >Pak to bylo jeste promereno na spektraku, bohuzel >nekalibrovanem, kde to vykazalo na vystupu sum cca -35-40dBm v >pasmu 0.1-60MHz. Z toho si muzete udelat obrazek o citlivosti. > >Petr > > > From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Jun 29 17:50:37 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Jun 29 17:50:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <20050629134437.GA8237@kestrel> References: <42C284DC.2090900@centrum.cz> <498956729.20050629150507@volny.cz> <20050629134437.GA8237@kestrel> Message-ID: <200506291850.38015.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Wednesday 29 of June 2005 15:44, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 03:05:07PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > Co bych s tim delal, jen jsem to zkratoval. Myslim ze se mi to povedlo > > na Twisterovi a civka se jen rozstrikla. > > Short circuit can happen easily, when manipulating the wires in heads > without turning power off or when inserting coloured wires into wrong > terminals. Takze tam ta tlumivka suplovala pojistku no. Coz neni na skodu, lepsi by ovsem bylo kdyby tam byla i skutecna pojistka protoze opravdu "Short circuit can happen easily" treba vratna (spesl termistor). Ja ji na spiderovi mam. Jakub PS: ta tlumajzna, stejna jako byla na twistru, nez se tam zse vratila vzduchova na mym prvnim prototypu interfacu s cpld zkrat prezila (to tam jeste pojistka nebyla) jen je ocouzena ale jinak je ok. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 29 18:05:46 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 29 18:05:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <42C2E104.20539.1577A8@localhost> References: <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> <42C2E104.20539.1577A8@localhost> Message-ID: <20050629170546.GA13840@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 05:57:24PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen > jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. > Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je > spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. > Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, > kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, > ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s > rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. > Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen > staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo > osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse > jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti Mas nejake bezici instalace, ktere se daji zaradit do galerie? > vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o That's nice. CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 29 18:06:59 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 29 18:07:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <42C2D0BA.4020902@centrum.cz> References: <000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen> <42C2E104.20539.1577A8@localhost> <42C2D0BA.4020902@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050629170659.GB13840@kestrel> On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 06:47:54PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > No musim rict, ze to vypada vyborne. Jestli chces, tak ti to muzu pridat > jako projekt na czflabs.net a az to uvolnis, tak ti tam vystavit > dokumentaci a predlohy pro PCB. If czflabs rewrote that PCB into PCB program in a way compatible with the original RX schematic in gschem, that would help Ronja. CL< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jun 29 18:19:29 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Jun 29 18:27:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky In-Reply-To: <20050629170546.GA13840@kestrel> References: <42C2E104.20539.1577A8@localhost> Message-ID: <42C2F441.2278.60A30C@localhost> On 29 Jun 2005 at 19:05, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 05:57:24PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen > > jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. > > Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je > > spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. > > Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, > > kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, > > ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s > > rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. > > Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen > > staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo > > osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse > > jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti > > Mas nejake bezici instalace, ktere se daji zaradit do galerie? Fotky v priloze. Instalace je v Hradci Kralove. Ty fujxyz.jpg jsou fotky ciziho zarizeni, na teto strese uz jsou 4 a tahle je bezkonkurencne nejobskurnejsi. Ta druha je na 1.1km, zamerena byla kupodivu jeste za bileho dne. Jinak na ni neni moc zajimaveho. Dalsi fotky jsou na http://www.mildas.net/foto/index.php?cat=6 , kde si to borec vyrabi v "licenci". Tam nejdriv prisli plosnaky od KJS a jako nepouzitelne byly vyhozeny a nahrazeny mojimy. Z dalsich dvou spoju dokumentace zatim zadna neni. Majitele jsou prilis lini. > > > vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o > > That's nice. > Jeste se ted chysta sto kusova overovaci serie, kde hodlam vyzkouset jeste jeden zlepsovak a pak se uvidi. V soucasne verzi je bohuzel par kosmetickych nedostatku, ktere dokazou nezkuseneho stavitele dost pozlobit. Dalsi problemecek je ze orientace zustane ze dioda je na kratsi strane krabice 67*91mm a ze z Eaglu to uz predelavat nebudu. Pokud je zajem muzu poskytnout data a informace. > CL< > -------------- next part -------------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: fuj2_PMV.jpg Date: 10 Jun 2005, 20:18 Size: 244860 bytes. Type: JPEG-image -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: z_pmv.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 188750 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050629/3206fe98/z_pmv-0001.jpg From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 29 18:27:40 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Jun 29 18:27:52 2005 Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky References: <42C284DC.2090900@centrum.cz><000501c57ca2$4cd46020$0103450a@thechosen><498956729.20050629150507@volny.cz> <20050629134437.GA8237@kestrel> Message-ID: <002101c57ccf$da980ec0$0103450a@thechosen> hmmm tak to se mi nepovedlo asi nikdy a to sem mel v roure celou ruku ale muze to byt tim ze to mam mozna vic zkratu vzdorny a blbu vzdorny (zadny svorkovnice a zadnej koax). jednou mi rupla pojistka ve zdroji a to jen tim ze se sem traficko skratoval primo pres pojistku. jinak mi pripadne zkraty sezere spinanej zdroj a i tak s ebojim ze zadnej nenastal. no to je jedno no Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Ondrej Tesar" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky > On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 03:05:07PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > Co bych s tim delal, jen jsem to zkratoval. Myslim ze se mi to povedlo > > na Twisterovi a civka se jen rozstrikla. > > Short circuit can happen easily, when manipulating the wires in heads > without turning power off or when inserting coloured wires into wrong > terminals. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 20:44:21 2005 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Wed Jun 29 20:44:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CAN YOU AT LEAST USE A PORTABLE VERSION OF THE 10 MBPS VERSION Message-ID: <20050629194421.55664.qmail@web53401.mail.yahoo.com> Hi so you can't make a 1gbps model but can you at least make a portable version of the 10 Mbps model and if possible the 100 Mbps model I don't mind if you can't make a portable version of the 100 Mbps model. ja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 26 (Karel Kulhavy) 2. Re: velikost civky (Petr Seliger) 3. Re: velikost civky (Petr Dvo??k) 4. Re: velikost civky (Jakub Ladman) 5. Re: velikost civky (Karel Kulhavy) 6. Re: velikost civky (Karel Kulhavy) 7. Re: velikost civky (Petr Seliger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:05:47 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 26 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050629140547.GA8549@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 04:54:08PM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > OK I can manage to have my parents donate or in my terms pay you $1000 > to build a RONJA system with an internet speed of 1Gbps and a portable > version of that model in addition. just tell me how I can send you or > donate the money. if you can't make a 1Gbps internet speed can it be > at least a range from 100Mbps to 1Gbps speed and scratch that > deadline I will tell you when I need it. Sorry, the planned development first involves fixes and improvements on the 10Mbps version, and only after that, 100Mbps. If you want to send a donation to Ronja project, it's possible, but to specific parts or designs it's not possible. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:57:24 +0200 From: "Petr Seliger" Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <42C2E104.20539.1577A8@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o nejakych 20cm min, moc sem se stim neparal. Na jedne strane karta s chipsetem Via86VT100 na druhe 10MB HUB druha ronja a za tim switch a druhy pocitac. Pokud by na obou stranach byly 3COM 3C905 nebo neco takoveho bylo by to asi o dost lepsi. 12ks uz slouzi na linkach a musi se rict ze na dvou linkach kde predtim byla jina konstrukce najednou zmizely vypadky kvuli mlze. Zjistilo se zaroven ze RSSI bez signalu ma byt opravdu 0V, muj merak s 20MOhm vstupnim odporem bere sice 1-2mV ruseni ale to vem cert. Lhostejno jestli na to sviti slunce, zarivka na 50Hz, zarovka apod. Jedine kdyz se to da tesne ke kompaktni zarovce monitoru, tak se zvedne maximalne na par desitek mV. Pak to bylo jeste promereno na spektraku, bohuzel nekalibrovanem, kde to vykazalo na vystupu sum cca -35-40dBm v pasmu 0.1-60MHz. Z toho si muzete udelat obrazek o citlivosti. Petr > diky > > neznate este nake figle ktere pridavaji > funkcnosti,vzdalenosti,spolehlivosti co se tyce elektroniky? myslim > ruzne zmeny v hodnotach soucastek a tak .... neco sem nekde videl ze > udajne pomuze prohodit kondik s odporem, jako jejich pozice, mam pocit > ze to psal.. mnaga? .. ale uz nevim kdy kde :( > > Michal Mal ek napsal(a): > > ja pouzivam > > TLEC24-1R0K > > tlumivka 1uH 10% 0.15R 815mA > > > > driv to bylo ve schematu, 1uH ale pak to dal clock zase pryc ze to jednomu > > cloveku shorelo, ondrovi tesarovi, ovsem teda nechapu co stim delal, me to > > na 6 ronjach se nepovedlo znicit. to aby nahradil odpory z filtrace napajeni > > aspon na 2W protoze pri skratu to pujde taky pryc. > > > > Glo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > > To: "Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:24 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky > > > > > > > >>Kdyz davate do ronji kupnou civku, jak velkou indikcnost pouzivate? v > >>jakemsi schematu jsem videl 1mH ale to je nak moc ne?! > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:47:54 +0200 From: Petr Dvo??k Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <42C2D0BA.4020902@centrum.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 No musim rict, ze to vypada vyborne. Jestli chces, tak ti to muzu pridat jako projekt na czflabs.net a az to uvolnis, tak ti tam vystavit dokumentaci a predlohy pro PCB. ROOTen Petr Seliger wrote: >To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen >jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. >Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je >spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. >Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, >kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, >ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s >rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. >Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen >staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo >osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse >jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti >vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o >nejakych 20cm min, moc sem se stim neparal. Na jedne strane >karta s chipsetem Via86VT100 na druhe 10MB HUB druha ronja a >za tim switch a druhy pocitac. Pokud by na obou stranach byly >3COM 3C905 nebo neco takoveho bylo by to asi o dost lepsi. >12ks uz slouzi na linkach a musi se rict ze na dvou linkach kde >predtim byla jina konstrukce najednou zmizely vypadky kvuli mlze. >Zjistilo se zaroven ze RSSI bez signalu ma byt opravdu 0V, muj >merak s 20MOhm vstupnim odporem bere sice 1-2mV ruseni ale to >vem cert. Lhostejno jestli na to sviti slunce, zarivka na 50Hz, >zarovka apod. Jedine kdyz se to da tesne ke kompaktni zarovce >monitoru, tak se zvedne maximalne na par desitek mV. >Pak to bylo jeste promereno na spektraku, bohuzel >nekalibrovanem, kde to vykazalo na vystupu sum cca -35-40dBm v >pasmu 0.1-60MHz. Z toho si muzete udelat obrazek o citlivosti. > >Petr > > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:50:37 +0200 From: Jakub Ladman Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <200506291850.38015.ladmanj@volny.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Wednesday 29 of June 2005 15:44, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 03:05:07PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > Co bych s tim delal, jen jsem to zkratoval. Myslim ze se mi to povedlo > > na Twisterovi a civka se jen rozstrikla. > > Short circuit can happen easily, when manipulating the wires in heads > without turning power off or when inserting coloured wires into wrong > terminals. Takze tam ta tlumivka suplovala pojistku no. Coz neni na skodu, lepsi by ovsem bylo kdyby tam byla i skutecna pojistka protoze opravdu "Short circuit can happen easily" treba vratna (spesl termistor). Ja ji na spiderovi mam. Jakub PS: ta tlumajzna, stejna jako byla na twistru, nez se tam zse vratila vzduchova na mym prvnim prototypu interfacu s cpld zkrat prezila (to tam jeste pojistka nebyla) jen je ocouzena ale jinak je ok. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:05:46 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050629170546.GA13840@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 05:57:24PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen > jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. > Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je > spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. > Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, > kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, > ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s > rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. > Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen > staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo > osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse > jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti Mas nejake bezici instalace, ktere se daji zaradit do galerie? > vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o That's nice. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:06:59 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050629170659.GB13840@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 06:47:54PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > No musim rict, ze to vypada vyborne. Jestli chces, tak ti to muzu pridat > jako projekt na czflabs.net a az to uvolnis, tak ti tam vystavit > dokumentaci a predlohy pro PCB. If czflabs rewrote that PCB into PCB program in a way compatible with the original RX schematic in gschem, that would help Ronja. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:19:29 +0200 From: "Petr Seliger" Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <42C2F441.2278.60A30C@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 29 Jun 2005 at 19:05, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 05:57:24PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen > > jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. > > Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je > > spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. > > Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, > > kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, > > ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s > > rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. > > Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen > > staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo > > osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse > > jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti > > Mas nejake bezici instalace, ktere se daji zaradit do galerie? Fotky v priloze. Instalace je v Hradci Kralove. Ty fujxyz.jpg jsou fotky ciziho zarizeni, na teto strese uz jsou 4 a tahle je bezkonkurencne nejobskurnejsi. Ta druha je na 1.1km, zamerena byla kupodivu jeste za bileho dne. Jinak na ni neni moc zajimaveho. Dalsi fotky jsou na http://www.mildas.net/foto/index.php?cat=6 , kde si to borec vyrabi v "licenci". Tam nejdriv prisli plosnaky od KJS a jako nepouzitelne byly vyhozeny a nahrazeny mojimy. Z dalsich dvou spoju dokumentace zatim zadna neni. Majitele jsou prilis lini. > > > vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o > > That's nice. > Jeste se ted chysta sto kusova overovaci serie, kde hodlam vyzkouset jeste jeden zlepsovak a pak se uvidi. V soucasne verzi je bohuzel par kosmetickych nedostatku, ktere dokazou nezkuseneho stavitele dost pozlobit. Dalsi problemecek je ze orientace zustane ze dioda je na kratsi strane krabice 67*91mm a ze z Eaglu to uz predelavat nebudu. Pokud je zajem muzu poskytnout data a informace. > CL< > -------------- next part -------------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: fuj2_PMV.jpg Date: 10 Jun 2005, 20:18 Size: 244860 bytes. Type: JPEG-image -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050629/7cbfb05a/attachment-0001.htm From sith at wifistar.net Wed Jun 29 22:58:47 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Wed Jun 29 20:57:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CAN YOU AT LEAST USE A PORTABLE VERSION OF THE 10 MBPS VERSION In-Reply-To: <20050629194421.55664.qmail@web53401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050629194421.55664.qmail@web53401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42C31997.6080108@wifistar.net> Tak tohle je opravdu user-controlled technology :-))). Quintus Murray napsal(a): > > Hi so you can't make a 1gbps model but can you at least make a portable > version of the 10 Mbps model and if possible the 100 Mbps model I don't > mind if you can't make a portable version of the 100 Mbps model. > > > > */ja-request@lists.pointless.net/* wrote: > > Send Ronja mailing list submissions to > ronja@lists.pointless.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ronja-request@lists.pointless.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 26 (Karel Kulhavy) > 2. Re: velikost civky (Petr Seliger) > 3. Re: velikost civky (Petr Dvo??k) > 4. Re: velikost civky (Jakub Ladman) > 5. Re: velikost civky (Karel Kulhavy) > 6. Re: velikost civky (Karel Kulhavy) > 7. Re: velikost civky (Petr Seliger) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:05:47 +0200 > From: Karel Kulhavy > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 26, Issue 26 > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <20050629140547.GA8549@kestrel> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 04:54:08PM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > > OK I can manage to have my parents donate or in my terms pay you $1000 > > to build a RONJA system with an internet speed of 1Gbps and a portable > > version of that model in addition. just tell me how I can send you or > > donate the money. if you can't make a 1Gbps internet speed can it be > > at least a range from 100Mbps to 1Gbps speed and scratch that > > deadline I will tell you when I need it. > > Sorry, the planned development first involves fixes and improvements > on the 10Mbps version, and only after that, 100Mbps. > > If you want to send a donation to Ronja project, it's possible, but to > specific parts or designs it's not possible. > > CL< > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:57:24 +0200 > From: "Petr Seliger" > Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <42C2E104.20539.1577A8@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 > > To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen > jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. > Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je > spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. > Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, > kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, > ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s > rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. > Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen > staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo > osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse > jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti > vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o > nejakych 20cm min, moc sem se stim neparal. Na jedne strane > karta s chipsetem Via86VT100 na druhe 10MB HUB druha ronja a > za tim switch a druhy pocitac. Pokud by na obou stranach byly > 3COM 3C905 nebo neco takoveho bylo by to asi o dost lepsi. > 12ks uz slouzi na linkach a musi se rict ze na dvou linkach kde > predtim byla jina konstrukce najednou zmizely vypadky kvuli mlze. > Zjistilo se zaroven ze RSSI bez signalu ma byt opravdu 0V, muj > merak s 20MOhm vstupnim odporem bere sice 1-2mV ruseni ale to > vem cert. Lhostejno jestli na to sviti slunce, zarivka na 50Hz, > zarovka apod. Jedine kdy z se to da tesne ke kompaktni zarovce > monitoru, tak se zvedne maximalne na par desitek mV. > Pak to bylo jeste promereno na spektraku, bohuzel > nekalibrovanem, kde to vykazalo na vystupu sum cca -35-40dBm v > pasmu 0.1-60MHz. Z toho si muzete udelat obrazek o citlivosti. > > Petr > > > diky > > > > neznate este nake figle ktere pridavaji > > funkcnosti,vzdalenosti,spolehlivosti co se tyce elektroniky? myslim > > ruzne zmeny v hodnotach soucastek a tak .... neco sem nekde videl ze > > udajne pomuze prohodit kondik s odporem, jako jejich pozice, mam > pocit > > ze to psal.. mnaga? .. ale uz nevim kdy kde :( > > > > Michal Mal ek napsal(a): > > > ja pouzivam > > > TLEC24-1R0K > > > tlumivka 1uH 10% 0.15R 815mA > > > > > > driv to bylo ve schematu, 1uH ale pak to dal clock zase pryc ze > to jednomu > > > cloveku shorelo, ondrovi tesarovi, ovsem teda nechapu co stim > delal, me to > > > n a 6 ronjach se nepovedlo znicit. to aby nahradil odpory z > filtrace napajeni > > > aspon na 2W protoze pri skratu to pujde taky pryc. > > > > > > Glo > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > > > To: "Ronja" > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:24 PM > > > Subject: [Ronja] velikost civky > > > > > > > > > > > >>Kdyz davate do ronji kupnou civku, jak velkou indikcnost > pouzivate? v > > >>jakemsi schematu jsem videl 1mH ale to je nak moc ne?! > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Ronja mailing list > > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ron ja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:47:54 +0200 > From: Petr Dvo??k > Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <42C2D0BA.4020902@centrum.cz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 > > No musim rict, ze to vypada vyborne. Jestli chces, tak ti to muzu pridat > jako projekt na czflabs.net a az to uvolnis, tak ti tam vystavit > dokumentaci a predlohy pro PCB. > > ROOTen > > Petr Seliger wrote: > > >To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen > >jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. > >Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je > >spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. > >Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, > >kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, > >ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s > >rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. > >Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen > >staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo > >osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse > >jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti > >vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o > >nejakych 20cm min, moc sem se stim neparal. Na jedne strane > >karta s chipsetem Via86VT100 na druhe 10MB HUB druha ronja a > >za tim switch a druhy pocitac. Pokud by na ob ou stranach byly > >3COM 3C905 nebo neco takoveho bylo by to asi o dost lepsi. > >12ks uz slouzi na linkach a musi se rict ze na dvou linkach kde > >predtim byla jina konstrukce najednou zmizely vypadky kvuli mlze. > >Zjistilo se zaroven ze RSSI bez signalu ma byt opravdu 0V, muj > >merak s 20MOhm vstupnim odporem bere sice 1-2mV ruseni ale to > >vem cert. Lhostejno jestli na to sviti slunce, zarivka na 50Hz, > >zarovka apod. Jedine kdyz se to da tesne ke kompaktni zarovce > >monitoru, tak se zvedne maximalne na par desitek mV. > >Pak to bylo jeste promereno na spektraku, bohuzel > >nekalibrovanem, kde to vykazalo na vystupu sum cca -35-40dBm v > >pasmu 0.1-60MHz. Z toho si muzete udelat obrazek o citlivosti. > > > >Petr > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:50:37 +0200 > From: Jakub Ladman > Subject: Re: [Ronja] veliko st civky > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <200506291850.38015.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Wednesday 29 of June 2005 15:44, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 03:05:07PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > > Co bych s tim delal, jen jsem to zkratoval. Myslim ze se mi to > povedlo > > > na Twisterovi a civka se jen rozstrikla. > > > > Short circuit can happen easily, when manipulating the wires in heads > > without turning power off or when inserting coloured wires into wrong > > terminals. > Takze tam ta tlumivka suplovala pojistku no. Coz neni na skodu, > lepsi by ovsem > bylo kdyby tam byla i skutecna pojistka protoze opravdu "Short > circuit can > happen easily" treba vratna (spesl termistor). Ja ji na spiderovi mam. > Jakub > PS: ta tlumajzna, stejna jako byla na twistru, nez se tam zse vratila > vzduchova na mym prvnim prototypu interfacu s cpld zkrat prezila (to > tam > jeste pojistka nebyla) jen je ocouzena ale jinak je ok. > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:05:46 +0200 > From: Karel Kulhavy > Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <20050629170546.GA13840@kestrel> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 05:57:24PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen > > jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. > > Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je > > spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. > > Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, > > kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, > > ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s > > rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. > > Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen > > staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo > > osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse > > jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti > > Mas nejake bezici instalace, ktere se daji zaradit do galerie? > > > vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o > > That's nice. > > CL< > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:06:59 +0200 > From: Karel Kulhavy > Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <20050629170659.GB13840@kestrel> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 06:47:54PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > > No musim rict, ze to vypada vyborne. Jestli chces, tak ti to muzu > pridat > > jako projekt na czflabs.net a az to uvolnis, tak ti tam vystavit > > dokumentaci a predlohy pro PCB. > > If czflabs rewrote that PCB into PCB program in a way compatible with > the original RX schematic in gschem, that would help Ronja. > > CL< > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:19:29 +0200 > From: "Petr Seliger" > Subject: Re: [Ronja] velikost civky > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <42C2F441.2278.60A30C@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On 29 Jun 2005 at 19:05, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 05:57:24PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > To si pis ze zname. To prohozeni kondiku a odporu se tykalo jen > > > jedne specificke desky, pachatel na to byl uz osobne upozornen. > > > Bohuzel na ten SMD RX od Skontorpa se to aplikovat neda. To je > > > spis postmoderni umeni nez plosnak. > > > Nicmene ted se resi snad uz finalni vlastni verze SMD RX tistaku, > > > kde jako tresnicka na dortu bude zabudovana volitelna featurka, > > > ktera by mela zlepsit citlivost a zaroven odstranit problem s > > > rusenim kdyz jde napajeni po opleteni koaxu do RX. > > > Predchozi verze se povedla k plne spokojenosti uzivatelu. Jen > > > staviteli nekolik drobnych chybicek zneprijemnuje praci. Bylo > > > osazeno 30ks, z toho v jednom byla vadna dioda BAT48, jinak vse > > > jelo hned na poprve, poroste plug&play. Dosah na zemi proti > > > > Mas nejake bezici instalace, ktere se daji zaradit do galerie? > > Fotky v priloze. Instalace je v Hradci Kralove. > Ty fujxyz.jpg jsou fotky ciziho zarizeni, na teto strese uz jsou 4 a > tahle je bezkonkurencne nejobskurnejsi. > Ta druha je na 1.1km, zamerena byla kupodivu jeste za bileho dne. > Jinak na ni neni moc zajimaveho. > Dalsi fotky jsou na http://www.mildas.net/foto/index.php?cat=6 , kde > si to borec vyrabi v "licenci". Tam nejdriv prisli plosnaky od KJS a > jako nepouzitelne byly vyhozeny a nahrazeny mojimy. > Z dalsich dvou spoju dokumentace zatim zadna neni. Majitele jsou > prilis lini. > > > > > > vysilaci s HPWT-BD000-F4000 cca 220-280cm, bez zakrytovani o > > > > That's nice. > > > Jeste se ted chysta sto kusova overovaci serie, kde hodlam > vyzkouset jeste jeden zlepsovak a pak se uvidi. V soucasne verzi je > bohuzel par kosmetickych nedostatku, ktere dokazou nezkuseneho > stavitele dost pozlobit. > Dalsi problemecek je ze orientace zustane ze dioda je na kratsi > strane krabice 67*91mm a ze z Eaglu to uz predelavat nebudu. > Pokud je zajem muzu poskytnout data a informace. > > > CL< > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > The following section of this message contains a file attachment > prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. > If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, > you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. > If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. > > ---- File information ----------- > File: fuj2_PMV.jpg > Date: 10 Jun 2005, 20:18 > Size: 244860 bytes. > Type: JPEG-image > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: fuj2_PMV.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 244860 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > 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Mail > > - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. * > > * > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > * > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > * -- Regards, David Sedl??ek WiFiStar.net, o.s. skype: sith_cz From codepilot at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 02:44:34 2005 From: codepilot at gmail.com (codepilot Gmail Account) Date: Thu Jun 30 02:44:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets Message-ID: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> I would like to buy two built working sets. Daniel From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 30 17:57:26 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 30 17:57:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets In-Reply-To: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> > I would like to buy two built working sets. IDIOT