From Lubos.m at seznam.cz Fri Jul 1 00:20:38 2005 From: Lubos.m at seznam.cz (Lubos.m) Date: Fri Jul 1 00:20:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets In-Reply-To: <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> Why idiot? I've just heard of a guy from Plzen who offers building Ronjas. 15.000 Czech crowns per set :) P?vodn? zpr?va 30. ?ervna 2005, 18:57:26: >> I would like to buy two built working sets. JL> IDIOT JL> _______________________________________________ JL> Ronja mailing list JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From codepilot at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 03:34:06 2005 From: codepilot at gmail.com (codepilot Gmail Account) Date: Fri Jul 1 03:34:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets In-Reply-To: <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> References: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <5f27691c0506301934295d2a82@mail.gmail.com> On 6/30/05, Lubos.m wrote: > Why idiot? > I've just heard of a guy from Plzen who offers building Ronjas. > 15.000 Czech crowns per set :) How much is that in US Dollars? Daniel > > > P?vodn? zpr?va 30. ?ervna 2005, 18:57:26: > > >> I would like to buy two built working sets. > JL> IDIOT > > JL> _______________________________________________ > JL> Ronja mailing list > JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Fri Jul 1 07:16:41 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ciBEdm/FmcOhaw==?=) Date: Fri Jul 1 07:15:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets In-Reply-To: <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> References: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42C4DFC9.7020502@centrum.cz> but this is technical support mailing list, not sale list.. ROOTen Lubos.m wrote: >Why idiot? >I've just heard of a guy from Plzen who offers building Ronjas. >15.000 Czech crowns per set :) > > >P?vodn? zpr?va 30. ?ervna 2005, 18:57:26: > > > >>>I would like to buy two built working sets. >>> >>> >JL> IDIOT > >JL> _______________________________________________ >JL> Ronja mailing list >JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From kubajz at kbx.cz Fri Jul 1 07:57:45 2005 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Fri Jul 1 07:57:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets In-Reply-To: <42C4DFC9.7020502@centrum.cz> References: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> <42C4DFC9.7020502@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42C4E969.6070703@kbx.cz> Zde byl umístěn nepřijatelný obsah typu: multipart/mixed------------- další část --------------- Netextovďż˝ p��loha byla odstranďż˝na... Jmďż˝no: smime.p7s Typ: application/x-pkcs7-signature Velikost: 4045 bytes Popis: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050701/5ef2528c/smime.bin From kubajz at kbx.cz Fri Jul 1 08:05:59 2005 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Fri Jul 1 08:06:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets In-Reply-To: <5f27691c0506301934295d2a82@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> <5f27691c0506301934295d2a82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42C4EB57.1050507@kbx.cz> Zde byl umístěn nepřijatelný obsah typu: multipart/mixed------------- další část --------------- Netextovďż˝ p��loha byla odstranďż˝na... Jmďż˝no: smime.p7s Typ: application/x-pkcs7-signature Velikost: 4045 bytes Popis: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050701/9c6cfabf/smime.bin From clock at twibright.com Fri Jul 1 10:21:52 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jul 1 10:21:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets In-Reply-To: <42C4DFC9.7020502@centrum.cz> References: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> <42C4DFC9.7020502@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050701092152.GC30471@kestrel> On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 08:16:41AM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > but this is technical support mailing list, not sale list.. Currently the amount of sales of whole Ronja devices is so low (or zero) that traffic generates doesn't spam people, I hope. As soon as it reaches some reasonable level it would be of course better to declare a rule not to post here and post offers and requests on Wiki instead. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jul 1 10:30:34 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jul 1 10:30:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets In-Reply-To: <42C4EB57.1050507@kbx.cz> References: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> <5f27691c0506301934295d2a82@mail.gmail.com> <42C4EB57.1050507@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <20050701093034.GA31547@kestrel> On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 09:05:59AM +0200, Jakub Sykora wrote: > Finally I forgot one thing. Whole Ronja set is quite heavy. I tried to > calculate the price for shipping whole ronja set to USA with DHL parcel > service. The price was about 7500CZK (cca 300USD). This could be the > main reason to find sbdy in USA to build Ronja. If you can't or don't want build it yourself, I think more sensible solution is to take the guides with plans and go to some machine shop and pay them for drilling that out, and then drive it in a car to zinc bath factory or powder coating, whatever. If they reject the plans (which is possible as I don't have any formal education in 2D drafting :D ), tell the error and I'll try to fix it. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jul 1 10:39:30 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jul 1 10:39:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets In-Reply-To: <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> References: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050701093930.GA429@kestrel> On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 01:20:38AM +0200, Lubos.m wrote: > Why idiot? > I've just heard of a guy from Plzen who offers building Ronjas. > 15.000 Czech crowns per set :) According to my opinion, if the thing he's offering is really a Ronja (and not one of the many modifications with negative consequences on parameters), then it's a good price, considering the amount of work building a Ronja takes :) CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jul 1 10:40:35 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jul 1 10:40:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets In-Reply-To: <5f27691c0506301934295d2a82@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> <5f27691c0506301934295d2a82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050701094035.GB429@kestrel> On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 07:34:06PM -0700, codepilot Gmail Account wrote: > On 6/30/05, Lubos.m wrote: > > Why idiot? > > I've just heard of a guy from Plzen who offers building Ronjas. > > 15.000 Czech crowns per set :) > How much is that in US Dollars? 600 CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jul 1 11:00:06 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jul 1 11:00:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <20050701074634.5B82356803E@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz> References: <20050701074634.5B82356803E@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz> Message-ID: <20050701100006.GC429@kestrel> On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 09:46:29AM +0200, Jaroslav Stodola - M?? Chrudim wrote: > Dobry den, > existuje, prosim, nejaka cesta, jak zlegalnet provoz ronji pro vlastn? > potrebu resp. pro potrebu vlastn? site? Provoz je jiz legalni, neni nic treba nijak legalizovat. > > Mam na mysli napr. ohlaseni zarizeni, schvaleni pro provoz apod. > > Nemame v umyslu ji uvest na trh (alespon prozatim). > > Jde mi o to, ze kdy? nas bude kontrolovat CTU (na zaklade napr. udani), tak > abychom mohli dokazat, ze je vse v poradku. Ptal jsem se na CTU jiz pred casem na to, jestli je treba na to mit nejake papiry a rikali, ze opticka pojitka do kompetence CTU nespadaji, nebot se nejedna o radiovy provoz. Rikali, ze jediny regulacni organ je hygiena. Volal jsem na hygienu a ptal jsem se na to, jestli je potreba nejake papiry na letecky provoz i pro pripad, ze by tam clovek mel laser, a oni rikali ze pokud se dodrzi zdravotni limity, neni to potreba. Pry odrazy slunicka od mestskych oken delaji dostatecne oslnive svetlo srovnatelne s laserem bezicim v ramci limitu, takze na to piloti jsou zvykli. Takze pokud postavite Ronju podle navodu, nic potreba neni. U infracervene verze se teoreticky mozna trochu prekracuje limit kdyz se do toho clovek koukne z 10m hodne silnym dalekohledem, ale to se vetsinou vylouci uz z toho titulu ze sousedni barak je vzdaleny podstatne vic. Od toho je k infracervene ronje studie bezpecnosti zraku - odkazy z http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/legal.php U cervene Ronji to limity projde uplne, pry nekdo na to zavolal hygienu na premereni za 4000,- oni prisli, strcili tam list papiru, videli slabe svetelne kolecko, zasmali se a rekli ze nic merit nebudou a vyplnili papiry ze to je OK :) Nekdo na Vas muze leda tak postvat hygienu na infracervene pojitko, v pripade ze prijde, vytisknete tohle: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/safety.ps a strcte jim to pod nos. Kdyby se ptali, jak se to spocetlo, tak vytisknete tohle: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/safety.gnuplot http://ronja.twibright.com/datasheets/hsdl4220.pdf a strcte pod nos. Asi bych tam mel dat odkazy na zdroje k tomu vypoctu a otazku do FAQ co presne rict kdyz prijde hygiena, pisu si to do TODO listu... Ptal jsem se na hygiene jestli je potreba uredni pomazani na to kdyz to chce nekdo nainstalovat na barak a presvedcit napr. druzstvo a rikali, ze druzstvo nema pravo vyzadovat zadny papir, ze clovek proste prohlasi ze si to bere na vlastni zodpovednost ze dodrzi hygienicke limity. Ohlasovani bylo drive na venku provozovane lasery, ale to mi na hygiene rikali ze to je uz stejne zrusene. Na LEDky nikdy zadne ani ohlasovani nebylo. CL< > > Dekuji, s pozdravem, J.Stodola. From andre at tels.com.br Fri Jul 1 14:08:20 2005 From: andre at tels.com.br (Andre Ribeiro) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:08:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy PARTS for two ronja sets. Message-ID: Hi all! I'm from Brazil and asked previously about buiyng parts to mount two complete ronja of each Tetrapolis/Inferno(receiver/transmiter/ethernet). I can pay trought wire transfer or paypal and preffer the shippment bt normal registered mailing post. Thanks all. From codepilot at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 08:33:03 2005 From: codepilot at gmail.com (codepilot Gmail Account) Date: Sat Jul 2 08:33:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] I want to buy two ronja sets In-Reply-To: <42C4EB57.1050507@kbx.cz> References: <5f27691c05062918443bb309ec@mail.gmail.com> <200506301857.27418.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1974915077.20050701012038@seznam.cz> <5f27691c0506301934295d2a82@mail.gmail.com> <42C4EB57.1050507@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <5f27691c050702003346b86e23@mail.gmail.com> I can ship through DHL, it's alot less then $300. Can I pay through PayPal? Daniel On 7/1/05, Jakub Sykora wrote: > Finally I forgot one thing. Whole Ronja set is quite heavy. I tried to > calculate the price for shipping whole ronja set to USA with DHL parcel > service. The price was about 7500CZK (cca 300USD). This could be the > main reason to find sbdy in USA to build Ronja. > > K > > codepilot Gmail Account wrote: > > On 6/30/05, Lubos.m wrote: > > > >>Why idiot? > >>I've just heard of a guy from Plzen who offers building Ronjas. > >>15.000 Czech crowns per set :) > > > > How much is that in US Dollars? > > Daniel > > > > > >> > >>P?vodn? zpr?va 30. ?ervna 2005, 18:57:26: > >> > >> > >>>>I would like to buy two built working sets. > >> > >>JL> IDIOT > >> > >>JL> _______________________________________________ > >>JL> Ronja mailing list > >>JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- > Jakub S?kora > email: kubajz@kbx.cz > ICQ: 68976632 > mobil: +420 777 594 201 > > > From clock at twibright.com Sat Jul 2 12:31:26 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jul 2 12:31:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics Message-ID: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> Hello I have put up a test where you can measure difference between SNR for 5MHz and 10MHz, which says how is the signal being deformed during transmission. http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/bertest_difference.php I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) I got 0.77dB. CL< From mickyc at shaw.ca Sun Jul 3 04:35:49 2005 From: mickyc at shaw.ca (Michael Chajkowski) Date: Sun Jul 3 04:35:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Off the wall question Message-ID: <1120361749.10055.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am currently running an 802.11g wireless lan between my home and my brother's place, 400m away. I know that this isn't the brightest thing to do (no pun intended), even though I am running a tertiary security level over top of the wlan. I am wondering whether or not anyone on this list has any experience (or suggestions) with regards to driving an optical send receive pair using the two antennae that are available on my wireless units. Thank you for your assistance and consideration, Michael From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Jul 3 12:53:46 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Jul 3 12:53:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 In-Reply-To: <20050627095441.GD21645@kestrel> References: <200506252238.14116.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20050627095441.GD21645@kestrel> Message-ID: <200507031353.46976.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Monday 27 of June 2005 11:54, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > They are giving it for some "normalized" light probably, maybe in > Kelvins? > > You have to > 1) Find out spectral curve of the source > 2) Curve how lumens depend on watts and nanometers > 3) Multiply/divide/whatever it in Excel > 4) Integrate the result across the spectrum to get lumens/watt of the > "normalized light" and then calculate. Thanx. That quite an offputting procedure, I wish there was a standard that manufacturers should stick to when writing datasheets... :( Regards, Tomek Koprowski From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Jul 3 12:53:56 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Jul 3 12:53:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> Message-ID: <200507031353.56098.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > I have put up a test where you can measure difference between SNR > for 5MHz and 10MHz, which says how is the signal being deformed during > transmission. Well now, that's a really cool report it generates! Over what distance was the exemplary link tested? Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Sun Jul 3 15:16:32 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jul 3 15:16:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <200507031353.56098.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> <200507031353.56098.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20050703141632.GB26152@kestrel> On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 01:53:56PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > I have put up a test where you can measure difference between SNR > > for 5MHz and 10MHz, which says how is the signal being deformed during > > transmission. > > Well now, that's a really cool report it generates! Hehe :) Thanks :) > > Over what distance was the exemplary link tested? I don't know. It was on floor. CL< From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Jul 3 18:25:28 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Jul 3 18:25:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> Message-ID: <200507031925.28705.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) > I got 0.77dB. Got -0.25dB. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Jul 3 18:32:07 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Jul 3 18:31:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <200507031925.28705.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> <200507031925.28705.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <200507031932.07574.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Sunday 03 of July 2005 19:25, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > Got -0.25dB. ...and -0.29dB on the second run. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Sun Jul 3 20:14:07 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jul 3 20:14:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <200507031925.28705.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> <200507031925.28705.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20050703191407.GA27566@kestrel> On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 07:25:28PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) > > I got 0.77dB. > > Got -0.25dB. Do you have RX and TX airwire or some kind of PCB? CL< From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Jul 3 20:32:14 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Jul 3 20:32:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <20050703191407.GA27566@kestrel> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> <200507031925.28705.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20050703191407.GA27566@kestrel> Message-ID: <200507032132.14392.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Sunday 03 of July 2005 21:14, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > Got -0.25dB. > Do you have RX and TX airwire or some kind of PCB? PCBs, designed by Karl Jan Skontorp, manufactured at my local pcb manufacturer. RX in surface mount technology, TX through-hole. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Sun Jul 3 22:48:28 2005 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Sun Jul 3 22:48:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4 Message-ID: <20050703214828.67572.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> hi this is quintus and I would like to know if the ronja internet system could be used for VOIP services? ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Measure how good is your electronics (Karel Kulhavy) 2. Off the wall question (Michael Chajkowski) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:31:26 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello I have put up a test where you can measure difference between SNR for 5MHz and 10MHz, which says how is the signal being deformed during transmission. http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/bertest_difference.php I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) I got 0.77dB. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:35:49 -0600 From: Michael Chajkowski Subject: [Ronja] Off the wall question To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Message-ID: <1120361749.10055.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain I am currently running an 802.11g wireless lan between my home and my brother's place, 400m away. I know that this isn't the brightest thing to do (no pun intended), even though I am running a tertiary security level over top of the wlan. I am wondering whether or not anyone on this list has any experience (or suggestions) with regards to driving an optical send receive pair using the two antennae that are available on my wireless units. Thank you for your assistance and consideration, Michael ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja End of Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4 ************************************ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050703/5d2ee481/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Mon Jul 4 10:28:23 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jul 4 10:28:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <20050703214828.67572.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050703214828.67572.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050704092822.GA30817@kestrel> On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 02:48:28PM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > hi this is quintus and I would like to know if the ronja internet > system could be used for VOIP services? Yes, it's highly suitable for VOIP services due it's virtually zero latency, low packetloss and constant throughput. CL< From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Mon Jul 4 17:10:51 2005 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Mon Jul 4 17:10:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 Message-ID: <20050704161051.39461.qmail@web53402.mail.yahoo.com> is there any portable version of the 10Mbps or 100Mbps ronja internet system in production and when will it be available and how much will it cost compleately built in US$. ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 (Tomasz Koprowski) 2. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Tomasz Koprowski) 3. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Karel Kulhavy) 4. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Tomasz Koprowski) 5. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Tomasz Koprowski) 6. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Karel Kulhavy) 7. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Tomasz Koprowski) 8. Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4 (Quintus Murray) 9. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4 (Karel Kulhavy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:53:46 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: Re: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <200507031353.46976.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Monday 27 of June 2005 11:54, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > They are giving it for some "normalized" light probably, maybe in > Kelvins? > > You have to > 1) Find out spectral curve of the source > 2) Curve how lumens depend on watts and nanometers > 3) Multiply/divide/whatever it in Excel > 4) Integrate the result across the spectrum to get lumens/watt of the > "normalized light" and then calculate. Thanx. That quite an offputting procedure, I wish there was a standard that manufacturers should stick to when writing datasheets... :( Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:53:56 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <200507031353.56098.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > I have put up a test where you can measure difference between SNR > for 5MHz and 10MHz, which says how is the signal being deformed during > transmission. Well now, that's a really cool report it generates! Over what distance was the exemplary link tested? Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:16:32 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050703141632.GB26152@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 01:53:56PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > I have put up a test where you can measure difference between SNR > > for 5MHz and 10MHz, which says how is the signal being deformed during > > transmission. > > Well now, that's a really cool report it generates! Hehe :) Thanks :) > > Over what distance was the exemplary link tested? I don't know. It was on floor. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:25:28 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <200507031925.28705.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) > I got 0.77dB. Got -0.25dB. Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:32:07 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <200507031932.07574.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Sunday 03 of July 2005 19:25, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > Got -0.25dB. ...and -0.29dB on the second run. Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:14:07 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050703191407.GA27566@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 07:25:28PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) > > I got 0.77dB. > > Got -0.25dB. Do you have RX and TX airwire or some kind of PCB? CL< ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:32:14 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <200507032132.14392.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Sunday 03 of July 2005 21:14, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > Got -0.25dB. > Do you have RX and TX airwire or some kind of PCB? PCBs, designed by Karl Jan Skontorp, manufactured at my local pcb manufacturer. RX in surface mount technology, TX through-hole. Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Quintus Murray Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4 To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Message-ID: <20050703214828.67572.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi this is quintus and I would like to know if the ronja internet system could be used for VOIP services? ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Measure how good is your electronics (Karel Kulhavy) 2. Off the wall question (Michael Chajkowski) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:31:26 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello I have put up a test where you can measure difference between SNR for 5MHz and 10MHz, which says how is the signal being deformed during transmission. http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/bertest_difference.php I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) I got 0.77dB. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:35:49 -0600 From: Michael Chajkowski Subject: [Ronja] Off the wall question To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Message-ID: <1120361749.10055.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain I am currently running an 802.11g wireless lan between my home and my brother's place, 400m away. I know that this isn't the brightest thing to do (no pun intended), even though I am running a tertiary security level over top of the wlan. I am wondering whether or not anyone on this list has any experience (or suggestions) with regards to driving an optical send receive pair using the two antennae that are available on my wireless units. 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URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050703/5d2ee481/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:28:23 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050704092822.GA30817@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 02:48:28PM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > hi this is quintus and I would like to know if the ronja internet > system could be used for VOIP services? Yes, it's highly suitable for VOIP services due it's virtually zero latency, low packetloss and constant throughput. CL< ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja End of Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 ************************************ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050704/32136d9e/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Mon Jul 4 17:54:16 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jul 4 17:54:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <20050704161051.39461.qmail@web53402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050704161051.39461.qmail@web53402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050704165416.GA14243@kestrel> On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 09:10:51AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > is there any portable version of the 10Mbps or 100Mbps ronja internet > system in production and when will it be available and how much will > it cost compleately built in US$. The only portable version is the bare electronics without mechanics and optics and is 10Mbps only and has a range of about 2.5m. Estimated material cost is 100 USD per device (200 USD for pair aka link). CL< From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Fri Jul 8 03:39:26 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Fri Jul 8 03:39:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <20050623072009.GB13620@kestrel><000701c578ea$e7adbad0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> Message-ID: <000801c58366$42223c90$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> So, I completely remake all four modules and applyed your advices, but it?s still dead :(( I like this electronic puzzle, but if doesn?t work it make me very sad :(( Is here somebody who have good PCB?s for RX and TX ?? I want to buy someone. There is new photos of new modules http://ronja.pavel.extranetplus.cz I try to check it on osciloscope to..but i starting be hopeless :(( It?s for three times I do that, check it and nothing :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 08:31:15PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >> Takze odkaz na fotky je http://ronja.pavel.extranetplus.cz/ > > The 3 chips in TX aren't "fucking", but connected by relatively long > and thin wires, and therefore cannot drive LED correctly. It is > also suggested by the oscilloscope pictures. They look distorted. > > "Solder together the three 74HC04's in stack". > > Ground connections to pin7 are by long wire, which has even worse > effect on the LED driver. > "Fix them by soldering on ground if they are connected to ground or by > gluing down with thermal glue gun." > > However the second point is not said much clear in Ronja guide. I have > rewritten it to more obvious explicit formulation in the guide right > now. > > The socket for NE592 isn't a good idea too, can be a potential place of > contact unreliability. Can be fixed by soldering the NE592 into the > socket as is. > > CL< > >> Docela me ale zarazi to , ze kdyz jsem stavel druhy transmitter, vubec to >> nefakchalo , ikdyz jsem byl fakt presvedcenej nekolikanasobnou kontrolou >> i >> peclivosti pri stavbe , ze je to spravne ,pak jsem ho stavel znovu s >> novymi >> soucastkami a okopiroval jsem usporadani prvniho kousku a najendou to >> zacalo makat :/ >> Ted by me zajimalo , jestli by bylo lepsi znovu objednat soucastky na rx >> tx >> a zkusit postavit ala vrabcak nebo jestli si myslis ze je schopna nejaka >> profi fy co dela u plosnaku full servis navrhnout 100% fcni moduly na PCB >> ?? (protoze o tom uz dost vazne uvazuju.) >> Jinak u toho myho nefcniho kousku bych to tipoval na nejaky prijmac ale >> uz >> jsme to kontroloval tolikrat ze jsem zoufalej, takze diky za kazdou >> radu... > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Fri Jul 8 14:23:35 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Fri Jul 8 14:23:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <20050621210348.GA21793@kestrel><001801c57701$53c59ee0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050623072009.GB13620@kestrel><000701c578ea$e7adbad0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42BC5C30.2090803@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000e01c583c0$3eb47320$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Jelikoz jsme rx tx uz delal 3krat a porad mi to nejede, jestli by to nemohlo byt treba propojovacima kabelama, mam nejakej coax 75ohm ale opleteni je jenom par dratku a folie , prej to muze bejt problem. Vadilo by kdybych treba pouzil VF RLA-10 co pouzivam na 2,4spoje ? Dale se chci zeptat, co pouzivate za vodice uvnitr twistera, jelikoz mi nejede plnych 10mbit (pri pojeni twister twister) ale min podle pouziteho propojovaciho dratu mezi nimi to obcas i s brutalnim packetlossem. :( Muzu tam hodit treba 0,5mm Cu drat izolovanej ? Hledam vsude kde by mohla bejt chyba pac uz jsem z toho fakt zoufalej :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "cafr" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > Pavel Srnka wrote: > >> Takze odkaz na fotky je http://ronja.pavel.extranetplus.cz/ >> Docela me ale zarazi to , ze kdyz jsem stavel druhy transmitter, vubec to >> nefakchalo , ikdyz jsem byl fakt presvedcenej nekolikanasobnou kontrolou >> i peclivosti pri stavbe , ze je to spravne ,pak jsem ho stavel znovu s >> novymi soucastkami a okopiroval jsem usporadani prvniho kousku a najendou >> to zacalo makat :/ >> Ted by me zajimalo , jestli by bylo lepsi znovu objednat soucastky na rx >> tx a zkusit postavit ala vrabcak nebo jestli si myslis ze je schopna >> nejaka profi fy co dela u plosnaku full servis navrhnout 100% fcni moduly >> na PCB ?? (protoze o tom uz dost vazne uvazuju.) >> Jinak u toho myho nefcniho kousku bych to tipoval na nejaky prijmac ale >> uz jsme to kontroloval tolikrat ze jsem zoufalej, takze diky za kazdou >> radu... >> >> > Ja kdyz sem stavel pred rokem Ronju, tak sem taky postavil jeden TX a > nefungoval, zkousel sem vsechno promerovat a kontrolovat, ale vsechno bylo > v pohode. Pak sem se nasral a soucastky z krabicky vyletoval a znovu ty > samy naletoval a pak uz to jelo :-) Podobne u RX - tam sem zjistil(po > rozletovani), ze mam odpor myslim 6k7 misto 67k nebo tak nejak. Vsechno > preletovat je takovy nejmin elegantni reseni, ale nekdy muze pomoct. > > cafr > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From quintusmurray at yahoo.com Fri Jul 8 14:45:57 2005 From: quintusmurray at yahoo.com (Quintus Murray) Date: Fri Jul 8 14:46:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6 Message-ID: <20050708134557.59125.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> what do you mean by bare electronics without mechanics and optics?? can this portable version access the internet at 10Mbps or LAN at 10Mbps meaning no internet access. ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 (Quintus Murray) 2. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 (Karel Kulhavy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:10:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Quintus Murray Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 5 To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Message-ID: <20050704161051.39461.qmail@web53402.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" is there any portable version of the 10Mbps or 100Mbps ronja internet system in production and when will it be available and how much will it cost compleately built in US$. ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 (Tomasz Koprowski) 2. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Tomasz Koprowski) 3. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Karel Kulhavy) 4. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Tomasz Koprowski) 5. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Tomasz Koprowski) 6. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Karel Kulhavy) 7. Re: Measure how good is your electronics (Tomasz Koprowski) 8. Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4 (Quintus Murray) 9. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4 (Karel Kulhavy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:53:46 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: Re: [Ronja] comparing photodiodes: lux vs. mW/cm2 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <200507031353.46976.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Monday 27 of June 2005 11:54, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > They are giving it for some "normalized" light probably, maybe in > Kelvins? > > You have to > 1) Find out spectral curve of the source > 2) Curve how lumens depend on watts and nanometers > 3) Multiply/divide/whatever it in Excel > 4) Integrate the result across the spectrum to get lumens/watt of the > "normalized light" and then calculate. Thanx. That quite an offputting procedure, I wish there was a standard that manufacturers should stick to when writing datasheets... :( Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:53:56 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <200507031353.56098.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > I have put up a test where you can measure difference between SNR > for 5MHz and 10MHz, which says how is the signal being deformed during > transmission. Well now, that's a really cool report it generates! Over what distance was the exemplary link tested? Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:16:32 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050703141632.GB26152@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 01:53:56PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > I have put up a test where you can measure difference between SNR > > for 5MHz and 10MHz, which says how is the signal being deformed during > > transmission. > > Well now, that's a really cool report it generates! Hehe :) Thanks :) > > Over what distance was the exemplary link tested? I don't know. It was on floor. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:25:28 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <200507031925.28705.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) > I got 0.77dB. Got -0.25dB. Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:32:07 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <200507031932.07574.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Sunday 03 of July 2005 19:25, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > Got -0.25dB. ...and -0.29dB on the second run. Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:14:07 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050703191407.GA27566@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 07:25:28PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Saturday 02 of July 2005 13:31, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) > > I got 0.77dB. > > Got -0.25dB. Do you have RX and TX airwire or some kind of PCB? CL< ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:32:14 +0200 From: Tomasz Koprowski Subject: Re: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <200507032132.14392.klapek@kki.net.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Sunday 03 of July 2005 21:14, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > Got -0.25dB. > Do you have RX and TX airwire or some kind of PCB? PCBs, designed by Karl Jan Skontorp, manufactured at my local pcb manufacturer. RX in surface mount technology, TX through-hole. Regards, Tomek Koprowski ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Quintus Murray Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4 To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Message-ID: <20050703214828.67572.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi this is quintus and I would like to know if the ronja internet system could be used for VOIP services? ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Measure how good is your electronics (Karel Kulhavy) 2. Off the wall question (Michael Chajkowski) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:31:26 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello I have put up a test where you can measure difference between SNR for 5MHz and 10MHz, which says how is the signal being deformed during transmission. http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/bertest_difference.php I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) I got 0.77dB. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:35:49 -0600 From: Michael Chajkowski Subject: [Ronja] Off the wall question To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Message-ID: <1120361749.10055.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain I am currently running an 802.11g wireless lan between my home and my brother's place, 400m away. I know that this isn't the brightest thing to do (no pun intended), even though I am running a tertiary security level over top of the wlan. I am wondering whether or not anyone on this list has any experience (or suggestions) with regards to driving an optical send receive pair using the two antennae that are available on my wireless units. 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URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050708/2033b9cd/attachment-0001.htm From clock at twibright.com Fri Jul 8 15:19:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jul 8 15:21:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Need 60mm optics for Ronja? :) Message-ID: <20050708141942.GA10395@kestrel> All you need is a can of Coke and chocolate, and you get 60mm optics in an hour... http://www.trackertrail.com/survival/fire/cokeandchocolatebar/index.html If WiFi folks have Pringles, we can have Coke ;-) CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jul 8 15:24:20 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jul 8 15:26:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <000801c58366$42223c90$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> <000801c58366$42223c90$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <20050708142420.GB10395@kestrel> On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 04:39:26AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > So, I completely remake all four modules and applyed your advices, but it?s > still dead :(( Is the Q101 connected correctly? Looks to me like the long one is used as G1, which AFAIK isn't long. Otherwise make the pin7 ground connection long few milimeters, not with the long wire. Measure also test points and do correcness check. It normally works for people, must be some mistake there... CL< From xpowersa at seznam.cz Fri Jul 8 15:41:57 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Fri Jul 8 15:57:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <20050708142420.GB10395@kestrel> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> <000801c58366$42223c90$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050708142420.GB10395@kestrel> Message-ID: <42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> dej si pozor na ty kondiky co tam mas. ty 10 nF a 1nF (oranzove velke) kvuli temhle typum me taky Rx nejelo... pak sem je vymenil vsecky za ten typ co mas ty 100 nF (ty zlute male) Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 04:39:26AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > > >>So, I completely remake all four modules and applyed your advices, but it?s >>still dead :(( >> >> > >Is the Q101 connected correctly? Looks to me like the long one is used >as G1, which AFAIK isn't long. > >Otherwise make the pin7 ground connection long few milimeters, not with >the long wire. > >Measure also test points and do correcness check. > >It normally works for people, must be some mistake there... > >CL< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1163 (20050707) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Fri Jul 8 20:10:21 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Fri Jul 8 20:10:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> <000801c58366$42223c90$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><20050708142420.GB10395@kestrel> <42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to tvari jako stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat ? D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austin" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem dej si pozor na ty kondiky co tam mas. ty 10 nF a 1nF (oranzove velke) kvuli temhle typum me taky Rx nejelo... pak sem je vymenil vsecky za ten typ co mas ty 100 nF (ty zlute male) Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 04:39:26AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > >>So, I completely remake all four modules and applyed your advices, but >>it?s still dead :(( >> > >Is the Q101 connected correctly? Looks to me like the long one is used >as G1, which AFAIK isn't long. > >Otherwise make the pin7 ground connection long few milimeters, not with >the long wire. > >Measure also test points and do correcness check. > >It normally works for people, must be some mistake there... > >CL< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1163 (20050707) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sith at wifistar.net Fri Jul 8 23:41:42 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Fri Jul 8 21:39:52 2005 Subject: [Ronja] hodnota RSSI In-Reply-To: <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> <000801c58366$42223c90$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><20050708142420.GB10395@kestrel> <42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <42CF0126.4020107@wifistar.net> Prave jsem dopajel dalsi elektroniku Ronji. Zatim jsem jen zapojil Rx a zkusil do toho posvitit dalkovym ovladanim. U predchozi elektroniky (rok zpet) jsem pri namireni DO na Rx nameril ~1V, ale nyni namerim (u obou nove postavenych Rx) ~18mV. Mam hledat chybu, nebo se v navodu neco zmenilo a zitra pri zapojeni mi to bude fungovat? -- Regards, David Sedl??ek WiFiStar.net, o.s. skype: sith_cz From clock at twibright.com Sat Jul 9 09:29:59 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jul 9 09:32:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <20050708134557.59125.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050708134557.59125.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050709082959.GA4091@kestrel> On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 06:45:57AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > what do you mean by bare electronics without mechanics and optics?? > can this portable version access the internet at 10Mbps or LAN at > 10Mbps meaning no internet access. Ronja Twister + Ronja 10M Receiver + Ronja 10M Metropolis Transmitter http://ronja.twibright.com/modules Yes it can access both. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jul 9 09:30:59 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jul 9 09:33:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <000e01c583c0$3eb47320$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <42BC5C30.2090803@seznam.cz> <000e01c583c0$3eb47320$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <20050709083059.GB4091@kestrel> On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 03:23:35PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > Jelikoz jsme rx tx uz delal 3krat a porad mi to nejede, jestli by to > nemohlo byt treba propojovacima kabelama, mam nejakej coax 75ohm ale > opleteni je jenom par dratku a folie , prej to muze bejt problem. Vadilo by Ja myslim ze takovy koax je OK. > kdybych treba pouzil VF RLA-10 co pouzivam na 2,4spoje ? Dale se chci Ne nevadilo. > zeptat, co pouzivate za vodice uvnitr twistera, jelikoz mi nejede plnych > 10mbit (pri pojeni twister twister) ale min podle pouziteho propojovaciho > dratu mezi nimi to obcas i s brutalnim packetlossem. :( Muzu tam hodit > treba 0,5mm Cu drat izolovanej ? Mezi Twistery ne. Mezi Twistery musi byt koax. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jul 9 09:40:45 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jul 9 09:42:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> <42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel> On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:10:21PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to tvari jako > stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat ? Ronja by mela fungovat s jakejmakoliv kondikama. Pokud se nekomu podari postavit prijimac ktery je podle navodu a nejede kvuli nejakemu typu kondiku, je to treba resit jako zavadu na navrhu (tzn. nareportovat). CL< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jul 9 09:41:31 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jul 9 09:43:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] hodnota RSSI In-Reply-To: <42CF0126.4020107@wifistar.net> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> <42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42CF0126.4020107@wifistar.net> Message-ID: <20050709084131.GB5510@kestrel> On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 10:41:42PM +0000, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Prave jsem dopajel dalsi elektroniku Ronji. Zatim jsem jen zapojil Rx a > zkusil do toho posvitit dalkovym ovladanim. U predchozi elektroniky (rok > zpet) jsem pri namireni DO na Rx nameril ~1V, ale nyni namerim (u obou > nove postavenych Rx) ~18mV. > Mam hledat chybu, nebo se v navodu neco zmenilo a zitra pri zapojeni mi > to bude fungovat? To je jedno kolik to ukazuje. Kazdej kus jinak. Hlavne ze to neco ukazuje. CL< From almwahra at yahoo.com Sat Jul 9 12:19:57 2005 From: almwahra at yahoo.com (ahmad almwahra) Date: Sat Jul 9 12:20:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Need 60mm optics for Ronja? Message-ID: <20050709111957.26735.qmail@web60611.mail.yahoo.com> ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote:Send Ronja mailing list submissions to ronja@lists.pointless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ronja-request@lists.pointless.net You can reach the person managing the list at ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Need 60mm optics for Ronja? :) (Karel Kulhavy) 2. Re: problem (Karel Kulhavy) 3. Re: problem (Austin) 4. Re: problem (Pavel Srnka) 5. hodnota RSSI (David Sedl??ek) 6. Re: Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6 (Karel Kulhavy) 7. Re: problem (Karel Kulhavy) 8. Re: problem (Karel Kulhavy) 9. Re: hodnota RSSI (Karel Kulhavy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:19:42 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: [Ronja] Need 60mm optics for Ronja? :) To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050708141942.GA10395@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All you need is a can of Coke and chocolate, and you get 60mm optics in an hour... http://www.trackertrail.com/survival/fire/cokeandchocolatebar/index.html If WiFi folks have Pringles, we can have Coke ;-) CL< ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:24:20 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050708142420.GB10395@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 04:39:26AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > So, I completely remake all four modules and applyed your advices, but it?s > still dead :(( Is the Q101 connected correctly? Looks to me like the long one is used as G1, which AFAIK isn't long. Otherwise make the pin7 ground connection long few milimeters, not with the long wire. Measure also test points and do correcness check. It normally works for people, must be some mistake there... CL< ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:41:57 +0200 From: Austin Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed dej si pozor na ty kondiky co tam mas. ty 10 nF a 1nF (oranzove velke) kvuli temhle typum me taky Rx nejelo... pak sem je vymenil vsecky za ten typ co mas ty 100 nF (ty zlute male) Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 04:39:26AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > > >>So, I completely remake all four modules and applyed your advices, but it?s >>still dead :(( >> >> > >Is the Q101 connected correctly? Looks to me like the long one is used >as G1, which AFAIK isn't long. > >Otherwise make the pin7 ground connection long few milimeters, not with >the long wire. > >Measure also test points and do correcness check. > >It normally works for people, must be some mistake there... > >CL< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1163 (20050707) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:10:21 +0200 From: "Pavel Srnka" Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem To: "Twibright Ronja" Message-ID: <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=response jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to tvari jako stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat ? D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austin" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem dej si pozor na ty kondiky co tam mas. ty 10 nF a 1nF (oranzove velke) kvuli temhle typum me taky Rx nejelo... pak sem je vymenil vsecky za ten typ co mas ty 100 nF (ty zlute male) Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 04:39:26AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > >>So, I completely remake all four modules and applyed your advices, but >>it?s still dead :(( >> > >Is the Q101 connected correctly? Looks to me like the long one is used >as G1, which AFAIK isn't long. > >Otherwise make the pin7 ground connection long few milimeters, not with >the long wire. > >Measure also test points and do correcness check. > >It normally works for people, must be some mistake there... > >CL< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1163 (20050707) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:41:42 +0000 From: David Sedl??ek Subject: [Ronja] hodnota RSSI To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <42CF0126.4020107@wifistar.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Prave jsem dopajel dalsi elektroniku Ronji. Zatim jsem jen zapojil Rx a zkusil do toho posvitit dalkovym ovladanim. U predchozi elektroniky (rok zpet) jsem pri namireni DO na Rx nameril ~1V, ale nyni namerim (u obou nove postavenych Rx) ~18mV. Mam hledat chybu, nebo se v navodu neco zmenilo a zitra pri zapojeni mi to bude fungovat? -- Regards, David Sedl????ek WiFiStar.net, o.s. skype: sith_cz ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:29:59 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6 To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050709082959.GA4091@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 06:45:57AM -0700, Quintus Murray wrote: > what do you mean by bare electronics without mechanics and optics?? > can this portable version access the internet at 10Mbps or LAN at > 10Mbps meaning no internet access. Ronja Twister + Ronja 10M Receiver + Ronja 10M Metropolis Transmitter http://ronja.twibright.com/modules Yes it can access both. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:30:59 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050709083059.GB4091@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 03:23:35PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > Jelikoz jsme rx tx uz delal 3krat a porad mi to nejede, jestli by to > nemohlo byt treba propojovacima kabelama, mam nejakej coax 75ohm ale > opleteni je jenom par dratku a folie , prej to muze bejt problem. Vadilo by Ja myslim ze takovy koax je OK. > kdybych treba pouzil VF RLA-10 co pouzivam na 2,4spoje ? Dale se chci Ne nevadilo. > zeptat, co pouzivate za vodice uvnitr twistera, jelikoz mi nejede plnych > 10mbit (pri pojeni twister twister) ale min podle pouziteho propojovaciho > dratu mezi nimi to obcas i s brutalnim packetlossem. :( Muzu tam hodit > treba 0,5mm Cu drat izolovanej ? Mezi Twistery ne. Mezi Twistery musi byt koax. CL< ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:40:45 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:10:21PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to tvari jako > stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat ? Ronja by mela fungovat s jakejmakoliv kondikama. Pokud se nekomu podari postavit prijimac ktery je podle navodu a nejede kvuli nejakemu typu kondiku, je to treba resit jako zavadu na navrhu (tzn. nareportovat). CL< ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:41:31 +0200 From: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: [Ronja] hodnota RSSI To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20050709084131.GB5510@kestrel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 10:41:42PM +0000, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Prave jsem dopajel dalsi elektroniku Ronji. Zatim jsem jen zapojil Rx a > zkusil do toho posvitit dalkovym ovladanim. U predchozi elektroniky (rok > zpet) jsem pri namireni DO na Rx nameril ~1V, ale nyni namerim (u obou > nove postavenych Rx) ~18mV. > Mam hledat chybu, nebo se v navodu neco zmenilo a zitra pri zapojeni mi > to bude fungovat? To je jedno kolik to ukazuje. Kazdej kus jinak. Hlavne ze to neco ukazuje. 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URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050709/9a9eed84/attachment.htm From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Sat Jul 9 12:53:17 2005 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (Patrick Deelman) Date: Sat Jul 9 12:53:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Need 60mm optics for Ronja? :) In-Reply-To: <20050708141942.GA10395@kestrel> References: <20050708141942.GA10395@kestrel> Message-ID: <42CFBAAD.3030504@hccnet.nl> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >All you need is a can of Coke and chocolate, and you get 60mm optics >in an hour... > >http://www.trackertrail.com/survival/fire/cokeandchocolatebar/index.html > >If WiFi folks have Pringles, we can have Coke ;-) > >CL< > Does this mean a new optics mod in the near future :) ? Patrick aka Morphje From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Jul 9 18:28:48 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Jul 9 18:29:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> <42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel> Message-ID: <1120930128.42d00950a100b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhavy : > On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:10:21PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > > jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to tvari jako > > > stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat ? > > Ronja by mela fungovat s jakejmakoliv kondikama. Pokud se nekomu podari > postavit prijimac ktery je podle navodu a nejede kvuli nejakemu typu > kondiku, je to treba resit jako zavadu na navrhu (tzn. nareportovat). > Jestli to bylo temahle kondikama tak to bylo na 99procent uzivatelem. Tyhle oranzove nebo modre leskle male kondiky jsou haklive na prehrati pri pajeni, na druhou stranu jsou ale velice kvalitni. Na tech nozickach totiz visi SMD kondik a je pripajeny jen obycejnou pajkou. Cely je pak zality kapkou tepelne malo odolneho epoxidu. Pokud se prehreje, epoxid zmekne, se spoj prerusi, nekdy se to sleje spatky, nekdy ne a je vymalovano, vetsinou je to ale na prvni pohled videt. From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Sun Jul 10 00:06:50 2005 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (piotr.p) Date: Sun Jul 10 00:07:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> Message-ID: <42D0588A.9050406@netway.elk.pl> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/bertest_difference.php > >I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) > >I got 0.77dB. > > I got -0.69, and pktloss at 5MHz was always larger than 10MHz.... ....what about that?? [ Twister ; Tx&Rx on K.J.S pcb ] pitr From clock at twibright.com Sun Jul 10 08:50:13 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jul 10 08:52:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <42D0588A.9050406@netway.elk.pl> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> <42D0588A.9050406@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <20050710075013.GA21832@kestrel> On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 01:06:50AM +0200, piotr.p wrote: > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/bertest_difference.php > > > >I am curious what different people measure on their electronics :) > > > >I got 0.77dB. > > > > > I got -0.69, and pktloss at 5MHz was always larger than 10MHz.... > ....what about that?? Can you send your output data from the pktloss script? CL< From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Jul 10 09:27:06 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Jul 10 09:26:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <42D0588A.9050406@netway.elk.pl> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> <42D0588A.9050406@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <200507101027.06924.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Sunday 10 of July 2005 01:06, piotr.p wrote: > (...) pktloss at 5MHz was always larger than 10MHz.... > [ Twister ; Tx&Rx on K.J.S pcb ] That's exactly what I observed on my KJS pcbs as well, although I got closer to 0dB difference. :) Regards, Tomek Koprowski From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Sun Jul 10 15:41:07 2005 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (piotr.p) Date: Sun Jul 10 15:41:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <20050710075013.GA21832@kestrel> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> <42D0588A.9050406@netway.elk.pl> <20050710075013.GA21832@kestrel> Message-ID: <42D13383.7070205@netway.elk.pl> >Can you send your output data from the pktloss script? > > > Yes, You can get it from: http://netway.elk.pl/ronja/test1.dat http://netway.elk.pl/ronja/test2.dat pitr From supermaster at seznam.cz Sun Jul 10 16:27:49 2005 From: supermaster at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?super=20master?=) Date: Sun Jul 10 16:27:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Svetelny tok LED HPWT-BD00 F4000 vs. H4000 Message-ID: <5235.6867-30773-1515856329-1121009269@seznam.cz> Podle http://www.lumileds.com/pdfs/DS05.PDF ma mit BD00-F4000, ktera podle clocka vychazi nejlepe (http://ronja.twibright.com/msmt/gains.pdf), neco kolem 7.3 lumenu maximalniho svetelneho toku. Oproti tomu ma BH00-H4000 stevelny tok az 12 lumenu (pri 24cd!), coz je skoro dvojnasobek. Mam dve otazky: proc v Clockove mereni vychazi H4000 o dost hure nez F4000, kdyz ma mit temer 2x vetsi svetelny tok a proc se tedy H4000 nepouziva jako TX LED do ronji? From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Sun Jul 10 17:28:51 2005 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (piotr.p) Date: Sun Jul 10 17:29:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <42D0588A.9050406@netway.elk.pl> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> <42D0588A.9050406@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <42D14CC3.6050403@netway.elk.pl> > .....and pktloss at 5MHz was always larger than 10MHz.... ups, it should be: .....and pktloss at 10MHz was always larger than 5MHz.... my bad:) pitr From clock at twibright.com Sun Jul 10 17:40:31 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jul 10 17:43:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Svetelny tok LED HPWT-BD00 F4000 vs. H4000 In-Reply-To: <5235.6867-30773-1515856329-1121009269@seznam.cz> References: <5235.6867-30773-1515856329-1121009269@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050710164031.GA14811@kestrel> On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 05:27:49PM +0200, super master wrote: > Podle http://www.lumileds.com/pdfs/DS05.PDF ma mit BD00-F4000, ktera > podle clocka vychazi nejlepe > (http://ronja.twibright.com/msmt/gains.pdf), neco kolem 7.3 lumenu > maximalniho svetelneho toku. Oproti tomu ma BH00-H4000 stevelny tok az > 12 lumenu (pri 24cd!), coz je skoro dvojnasobek. Mam dve otazky: proc > v Clockove mereni vychazi H4000 o dost hure nez F4000, kdyz ma mit > temer 2x vetsi svetelny tok a proc se tedy H4000 nepouziva jako TX LED > do ronji? Because number of photons and not lumens is important. These diodes differ in wavelengths and therefore in number of photons/sec. per lumen. CL< From xpowersa at seznam.cz Sun Jul 10 17:45:54 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Sun Jul 10 17:46:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <1120930128.42d00950a100b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> <42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel> <1120930128.42d00950a100b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42D150C2.8020405@seznam.cz> Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): >Quoting Karel Kulhavy : > > > >>On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:10:21PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >> >> >>>jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to tvari jako >>> >>> >>>stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat ? >>> >>> >>Ronja by mela fungovat s jakejmakoliv kondikama. Pokud se nekomu podari >>postavit prijimac ktery je podle navodu a nejede kvuli nejakemu typu >>kondiku, je to treba resit jako zavadu na navrhu (tzn. nareportovat). >> >> >> >Jestli to bylo temahle kondikama tak to bylo na 99procent uzivatelem. >Tyhle oranzove nebo modre leskle male kondiky jsou haklive na prehrati pri >pajeni, na druhou stranu jsou ale velice kvalitni. Na tech nozickach totiz visi >SMD kondik a je pripajeny jen obycejnou pajkou. Cely je pak zality kapkou >tepelne malo odolneho epoxidu. Pokud se prehreje, epoxid zmekne, se spoj >prerusi, nekdy se to sleje spatky, nekdy ne a je vymalovano, vetsinou je to ale >na prvni pohled videt. > > > no, to je mozne, ale od oka ty kondiky poskozene pajenim nebyly, a navic delali sme to 2 ruzni lide.. a obou nam to delalo... tezko rict. From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Sun Jul 10 18:07:50 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Sun Jul 10 18:07:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel><42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel><1120930128.42d00950a100b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42D150C2.8020405@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000a01c58571$e761eb80$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> cize co mam pozadovat za typ ? jmenuje se nejak ta vyrobni technologie ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austin" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > >>Quoting Karel Kulhavy : >> >> >>>On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:10:21PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >>> >>>>jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to tvari >>>>jako >>>> >>>>stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat ? >>>> >>>Ronja by mela fungovat s jakejmakoliv kondikama. Pokud se nekomu podari >>>postavit prijimac ktery je podle navodu a nejede kvuli nejakemu typu >>>kondiku, je to treba resit jako zavadu na navrhu (tzn. nareportovat). >>> >>> >>Jestli to bylo temahle kondikama tak to bylo na 99procent uzivatelem. >>Tyhle oranzove nebo modre leskle male kondiky jsou haklive na prehrati pri >>pajeni, na druhou stranu jsou ale velice kvalitni. Na tech nozickach totiz >>visi >>SMD kondik a je pripajeny jen obycejnou pajkou. Cely je pak zality kapkou >>tepelne malo odolneho epoxidu. Pokud se prehreje, epoxid zmekne, se spoj >>prerusi, nekdy se to sleje spatky, nekdy ne a je vymalovano, vetsinou je >>to ale >>na prvni pohled videt. >> >> > no, to je mozne, ale od oka ty kondiky poskozene pajenim nebyly, a navic > delali sme to 2 ruzni lide.. a obou nam to delalo... tezko rict. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From xpowersa at seznam.cz Sun Jul 10 18:16:19 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Sun Jul 10 18:16:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <000a01c58571$e761eb80$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel><42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel><1120930128.42d00950a100b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42D150C2.8020405@seznam.cz> <000a01c58571$e761eb80$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <42D157E3.2010008@seznam.cz> to fakt nevim co to je za typ.. takhle se v tom nak nevyznam. ja proste nakupuju z GMka a tam maji vzdycky ty kondiky ktere potrebuju.. prave ty s kteryma mi to neslo byly z jineho obchodu. Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > cize co mam pozadovat za typ ? jmenuje se nejak ta vyrobni technologie ?? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austin" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > >> >> >> Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): >> >>> Quoting Karel Kulhavy : >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:10:21PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >>>> >>>>> jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to >>>>> tvari jako >>>>> >>>>> stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat ? >>>>> >>>> Ronja by mela fungovat s jakejmakoliv kondikama. Pokud se nekomu >>>> podari >>>> postavit prijimac ktery je podle navodu a nejede kvuli nejakemu typu >>>> kondiku, je to treba resit jako zavadu na navrhu (tzn. nareportovat). >>>> >>>> >>> Jestli to bylo temahle kondikama tak to bylo na 99procent uzivatelem. >>> Tyhle oranzove nebo modre leskle male kondiky jsou haklive na >>> prehrati pri >>> pajeni, na druhou stranu jsou ale velice kvalitni. Na tech nozickach >>> totiz visi >>> SMD kondik a je pripajeny jen obycejnou pajkou. Cely je pak zality >>> kapkou >>> tepelne malo odolneho epoxidu. Pokud se prehreje, epoxid zmekne, se >>> spoj >>> prerusi, nekdy se to sleje spatky, nekdy ne a je vymalovano, >>> vetsinou je to ale >>> na prvni pohled videt. >>> >>> >> no, to je mozne, ale od oka ty kondiky poskozene pajenim nebyly, a navic >> delali sme to 2 ruzni lide.. a obou nam to delalo... tezko rict. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.1164 (20050708) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > > From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Sun Jul 10 18:24:14 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Sun Jul 10 18:24:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <42D157E3.2010008@seznam.cz> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel><42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel><1120930128.42d00950a100b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42D150C2.8020405@seznam.cz> <000a01c58571$e761eb80$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42D157E3.2010008@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42D159BE.7010907@centrum.cz> mozna by se slo zeptat primo v GM nebo v GESu treba ... prece tam nekdo musi vedet co si od vyrobce obendavaji ... ale mozna to bude chtit nekoho jineho nez prodavace .... tim ale nehcci rict z sou blbi a ze by to vedet nemohli :) Austin napsal(a): > to fakt nevim co to je za typ.. takhle se v tom nak nevyznam. ja proste > nakupuju z GMka a tam maji vzdycky ty kondiky ktere potrebuju.. prave ty > s kteryma mi to neslo byly z jineho obchodu. > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > >> cize co mam pozadovat za typ ? jmenuje se nejak ta vyrobni technologie ?? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austin" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >> >> >>> >>> >>> Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): >>> >>>> Quoting Karel Kulhavy : >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:10:21PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to >>>>>> tvari jako >>>>>> >>>>>> stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat ? >>>>>> >>>>> Ronja by mela fungovat s jakejmakoliv kondikama. Pokud se nekomu >>>>> podari >>>>> postavit prijimac ktery je podle navodu a nejede kvuli nejakemu typu >>>>> kondiku, je to treba resit jako zavadu na navrhu (tzn. nareportovat). >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Jestli to bylo temahle kondikama tak to bylo na 99procent uzivatelem. >>>> Tyhle oranzove nebo modre leskle male kondiky jsou haklive na >>>> prehrati pri >>>> pajeni, na druhou stranu jsou ale velice kvalitni. Na tech nozickach >>>> totiz visi >>>> SMD kondik a je pripajeny jen obycejnou pajkou. Cely je pak zality >>>> kapkou >>>> tepelne malo odolneho epoxidu. Pokud se prehreje, epoxid zmekne, se >>>> spoj >>>> prerusi, nekdy se to sleje spatky, nekdy ne a je vymalovano, >>>> vetsinou je to ale >>>> na prvni pohled videt. >>>> >>>> >>> no, to je mozne, ale od oka ty kondiky poskozene pajenim nebyly, a navic >>> delali sme to 2 ruzni lide.. a obou nam to delalo... tezko rict. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> __________ Informace od NOD32 1.1164 (20050708) __________ >> >> Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >> http://www.nod32.cz >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From xpowersa at seznam.cz Sun Jul 10 18:40:52 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Sun Jul 10 18:41:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <42D159BE.7010907@centrum.cz> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel><42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel><1120930128.42d00950a100b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42D150C2.8020405@seznam.cz> <000a01c58571$e761eb80$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42D157E3.2010008@seznam.cz> <42D159BE.7010907@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42D15DA4.3050908@seznam.cz> v GESu sem ted taky kupoval par kondiku jen do zasoby pro pripady nouze :) a tam meli pouze ty oranzove, ale mozna ze to byl zase jiny typ, takze by treba mohli byt OK, nekdy je vyzkousim.. Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > mozna by se slo zeptat primo v GM nebo v GESu treba ... prece tam > nekdo musi vedet co si od vyrobce obendavaji ... ale mozna to bude > chtit nekoho jineho nez prodavace .... tim ale nehcci rict z sou blbi > a ze by to vedet nemohli :) > > Austin napsal(a): > >> to fakt nevim co to je za typ.. takhle se v tom nak nevyznam. ja >> proste nakupuju z GMka a tam maji vzdycky ty kondiky ktere >> potrebuju.. prave ty s kteryma mi to neslo byly z jineho obchodu. >> >> Pavel Srnka napsal(a): >> >>> cize co mam pozadovat za typ ? jmenuje se nejak ta vyrobni >>> technologie ?? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austin" >>> To: "Twibright Ronja" >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:45 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): >>>> >>>>> Quoting Karel Kulhavy : >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:10:21PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to >>>>>>> tvari jako >>>>>>> >>>>>>> stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam >>>>>>> vyzadovat ? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Ronja by mela fungovat s jakejmakoliv kondikama. Pokud se nekomu >>>>>> podari >>>>>> postavit prijimac ktery je podle navodu a nejede kvuli nejakemu typu >>>>>> kondiku, je to treba resit jako zavadu na navrhu (tzn. >>>>>> nareportovat). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Jestli to bylo temahle kondikama tak to bylo na 99procent uzivatelem. >>>>> Tyhle oranzove nebo modre leskle male kondiky jsou haklive na >>>>> prehrati pri >>>>> pajeni, na druhou stranu jsou ale velice kvalitni. Na tech >>>>> nozickach totiz visi >>>>> SMD kondik a je pripajeny jen obycejnou pajkou. Cely je pak zality >>>>> kapkou >>>>> tepelne malo odolneho epoxidu. Pokud se prehreje, epoxid zmekne, >>>>> se spoj >>>>> prerusi, nekdy se to sleje spatky, nekdy ne a je vymalovano, >>>>> vetsinou je to ale >>>>> na prvni pohled videt. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> no, to je mozne, ale od oka ty kondiky poskozene pajenim nebyly, a >>>> navic >>>> delali sme to 2 ruzni lide.. a obou nam to delalo... tezko rict. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ronja mailing list >>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> __________ Informace od NOD32 1.1164 (20050708) __________ >>> >>> Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >>> http://www.nod32.cz >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.1164 (20050708) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Jul 10 19:16:54 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jul 10 19:19:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Cosmetic mirror Message-ID: <20050710181654.GA15776@kestrel> Hello Has anyone please at home one of those hollow cosmetic mirrors that enlarge one's face? I would like to ask for measuring it's diameter, focal length and circle of least confusion (a smallest diameter of spot you manage to focus when projecting a distant point source on a tiny piece of paper held in tweezer in front of the mirror). CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Jul 10 19:28:47 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jul 10 19:31:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <42D150C2.8020405@seznam.cz> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> <42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel> <1120930128.42d00950a100b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42D150C2.8020405@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050710182847.GA16020@kestrel> On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 06:45:54PM +0200, Austin wrote: > > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > > >Quoting Karel Kulhavy : > > > > > > > >>On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:10:21PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > >> > >> > >>>jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to tvari > >>>jako > >>> > >>> > >>>stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat ? > >>> > >>> > >>Ronja by mela fungovat s jakejmakoliv kondikama. Pokud se nekomu podari > >>postavit prijimac ktery je podle navodu a nejede kvuli nejakemu typu > >>kondiku, je to treba resit jako zavadu na navrhu (tzn. nareportovat). > >> > >> > >> > >Jestli to bylo temahle kondikama tak to bylo na 99procent uzivatelem. > >Tyhle oranzove nebo modre leskle male kondiky jsou haklive na prehrati pri > >pajeni, na druhou stranu jsou ale velice kvalitni. Na tech nozickach totiz > >visi > >SMD kondik a je pripajeny jen obycejnou pajkou. Cely je pak zality kapkou > >tepelne malo odolneho epoxidu. Pokud se prehreje, epoxid zmekne, se spoj > >prerusi, nekdy se to sleje spatky, nekdy ne a je vymalovano, vetsinou je > >to ale > >na prvni pohled videt. > > > > > > > no, to je mozne, ale od oka ty kondiky poskozene pajenim nebyly, a navic > delali sme to 2 ruzni lide.. a obou nam to delalo... tezko rict. Mate fotku ty elektroniky? CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Jul 10 19:29:05 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jul 10 19:31:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <42D14CC3.6050403@netway.elk.pl> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> <42D0588A.9050406@netway.elk.pl> <42D14CC3.6050403@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <20050710182905.GB16020@kestrel> On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 06:28:51PM +0200, piotr.p wrote: > >.....and pktloss at 5MHz was always larger than 10MHz.... > > ups, it should be: > .....and pktloss at 10MHz was always larger than 5MHz.... > > my bad:) Aha, now it makes sense for me :) CL< From xpowersa at seznam.cz Sun Jul 10 19:44:27 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Sun Jul 10 19:44:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <20050710182847.GA16020@kestrel> References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel> <42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel> <1120930128.42d00950a100b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42D150C2.8020405@seznam.cz> <20050710182847.GA16020@kestrel> Message-ID: <42D16C8B.4060907@seznam.cz> nee, to uz je spravene a asi pred pul rokem namontovane na strechu.. Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 06:45:54PM +0200, Austin wrote: > > >>Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): >> >> >> >>>Quoting Karel Kulhavy : >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:10:21PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to tvari >>>>>jako >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Ronja by mela fungovat s jakejmakoliv kondikama. Pokud se nekomu podari >>>>postavit prijimac ktery je podle navodu a nejede kvuli nejakemu typu >>>>kondiku, je to treba resit jako zavadu na navrhu (tzn. nareportovat). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Jestli to bylo temahle kondikama tak to bylo na 99procent uzivatelem. >>>Tyhle oranzove nebo modre leskle male kondiky jsou haklive na prehrati pri >>>pajeni, na druhou stranu jsou ale velice kvalitni. Na tech nozickach totiz >>>visi >>>SMD kondik a je pripajeny jen obycejnou pajkou. Cely je pak zality kapkou >>>tepelne malo odolneho epoxidu. Pokud se prehreje, epoxid zmekne, se spoj >>>prerusi, nekdy se to sleje spatky, nekdy ne a je vymalovano, vetsinou je >>>to ale >>>na prvni pohled videt. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>no, to je mozne, ale od oka ty kondiky poskozene pajenim nebyly, a navic >>delali sme to 2 ruzni lide.. a obou nam to delalo... tezko rict. >> >> > >Mate fotku ty elektroniky? > >CL< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.1164 (20050708) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Jul 10 21:19:33 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Jul 10 21:18:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Measure how good is your electronics In-Reply-To: <20050710182905.GB16020@kestrel> References: <20050702113126.GA32601@kestrel> <42D14CC3.6050403@netway.elk.pl> <20050710182905.GB16020@kestrel> Message-ID: <200507102219.33509.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Sunday 10 of July 2005 20:29, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > .....and pktloss at 10MHz was always larger than 5MHz.... > Aha, now it makes sense for me :) And now I got somewhat confused. :) I get higher numbers in column 2 then in column 3. So, according to the README it 10MHz that is larger and it makes sense. However the example output on http://ronja.twibright.com/testing/bertest_difference.php has higher numbers in third column. Was it maybe from an older version of bertest? Anyways, Clock, do you have any comments on pitr's and my results? In my understanding the KJS pcbs act rather nicely in this particular test. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Sun Jul 10 21:50:24 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Sun Jul 10 21:50:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <20050624202738.GA2897@kestrel><42CE90B5.5010706@seznam.cz> <000401c583f0$b002a440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050709084045.GA5510@kestrel><1120930128.42d00950a100b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42D150C2.8020405@seznam.cz> <000a01c58571$e761eb80$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42D157E3.2010008@seznam.cz><42D159BE.7010907@centrum.cz> <42D15DA4.3050908@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <001001c58590$fec84610$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> ja tedy 99% zbozi objednavam v GM tak nevim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austin" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem v GESu sem ted taky kupoval par kondiku jen do zasoby pro pripady nouze :) a tam meli pouze ty oranzove, ale mozna ze to byl zase jiny typ, takze by treba mohli byt OK, nekdy je vyzkousim.. Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > mozna by se slo zeptat primo v GM nebo v GESu treba ... prece tam nekdo > musi vedet co si od vyrobce obendavaji ... ale mozna to bude chtit nekoho > jineho nez prodavace .... tim ale nehcci rict z sou blbi a ze by to vedet > nemohli :) > > Austin napsal(a): > >> to fakt nevim co to je za typ.. takhle se v tom nak nevyznam. ja proste >> nakupuju z GMka a tam maji vzdycky ty kondiky ktere potrebuju.. prave ty >> s kteryma mi to neslo byly z jineho obchodu. >> >> Pavel Srnka napsal(a): >> >>> cize co mam pozadovat za typ ? jmenuje se nejak ta vyrobni technologie >>> ?? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austin" >>> To: "Twibright Ronja" >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:45 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): >>>> >>>>> Quoting Karel Kulhavy : >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 09:10:21PM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> jak jsi prisel na to ze jsou to ty kondiky ? v objednavce se to >>>>>>> tvari jako >>>>>>> >>>>>>> stejny typ, kde jsi kupoval soucastky ? jaky typ teda mam vyzadovat >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Ronja by mela fungovat s jakejmakoliv kondikama. Pokud se nekomu >>>>>> podari >>>>>> postavit prijimac ktery je podle navodu a nejede kvuli nejakemu typu >>>>>> kondiku, je to treba resit jako zavadu na navrhu (tzn. nareportovat). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Jestli to bylo temahle kondikama tak to bylo na 99procent uzivatelem. >>>>> Tyhle oranzove nebo modre leskle male kondiky jsou haklive na prehrati >>>>> pri >>>>> pajeni, na druhou stranu jsou ale velice kvalitni. Na tech nozickach >>>>> totiz visi >>>>> SMD kondik a je pripajeny jen obycejnou pajkou. Cely je pak zality >>>>> kapkou >>>>> tepelne malo odolneho epoxidu. Pokud se prehreje, epoxid zmekne, se >>>>> spoj >>>>> prerusi, nekdy se to sleje spatky, nekdy ne a je vymalovano, vetsinou >>>>> je to ale >>>>> na prvni pohled videt. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> no, to je mozne, ale od oka ty kondiky poskozene pajenim nebyly, a >>>> navic >>>> delali sme to 2 ruzni lide.. a obou nam to delalo... tezko rict. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ronja mailing list >>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> __________ Informace od NOD32 1.1164 (20050708) __________ >>> >>> Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >>> http://www.nod32.cz >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.1164 (20050708) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Jul 11 08:46:14 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jul 11 08:48:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Svetelny tok LED HPWT-BD00 F4000 vs. H4000 In-Reply-To: <5244.6876-30243-521722903-1121033482@seznam.cz> References: <20050710164031.GA14811@kestrel> <5244.6876-30243-521722903-1121033482@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050711074614.GA834@kestrel> On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 12:11:22AM +0200, super master wrote: > Thats joke? First of all: anccording to datasheet, both LEDs has > exactly the same wavelenght = 620-626 nm. Even if there would be a > small different, difference of numbers of photons would be about the > same small (not exactly). Thats a pity that manufacturer does not > mention "zarivy tok" in Wats, that would make it clear. HPWT-BH00-H4000 has different wavelength tham HPWT-BD00-F4000. One is red and the other red orange. CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jul 11 14:23:16 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jul 11 14:25:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Svetelny tok LED HPWT-BD00 F4000 vs. H4000 In-Reply-To: <5274.6911-26127-357251144-1121082986@seznam.cz> References: <20050711074614.GA834@kestrel> <5274.6911-26127-357251144-1121082986@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050711132316.GA4109@kestrel> On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 01:56:26PM +0200, super master wrote: > sorry, my bad. But the difference is only 14nm/10nm in Peak/dominant > wavelenght and I dont think that K-lambda function of human eye has > 50% drop in this small wavelenght difference. If it does, than sorry. It does have a significant drop there. CLM From santiago at mail.cz Tue Jul 12 15:09:59 2005 From: santiago at mail.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Jul 12 15:10:02 2005 Subject: [Ronja] resistory na vyhrivani cocky? Message-ID: <20050712140959.GA10249@feanor> Ahoj Nevite, na jaky tepelny vykon jsou dimenzovane ty nejobycejnejsi (ty, co vam daji v GM, kdyz nespecifikujete nic jineho nez odpor) resistory? Nejsem si jisty, ale zaslechl jsem neco o 250 mW. Odpory na vyhrivani budou hrat kazdy cca 300 mW vykonu, takze nevim, zda bych mel poridit nejake odolnejsi, i kdyz v navodu je "ordinary thermal load". -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Tue Jul 12 15:16:55 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Tue Jul 12 15:16:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] resistory na vyhrivani cocky? In-Reply-To: <20050712140959.GA10249@feanor> References: <20050712140959.GA10249@feanor> Message-ID: <42D3D0D7.9020202@centrum.cz> jo, je to tak. 0,25W. nektere sem videl ze byly udajne i na 0,5W ale nezda se mi to, ze by se stejne pouzdro vydrzelo jedou tolik. kdyz budou hrat 300mW tak to by vydrzet mohly...snad :) Ondrej Zajicek napsal(a): > Ahoj > > Nevite, na jaky tepelny vykon jsou dimenzovane ty nejobycejnejsi (ty, co vam daji v GM, > kdyz nespecifikujete nic jineho nez odpor) resistory? Nejsem si jisty, ale zaslechl > jsem neco o 250 mW. > > Odpory na vyhrivani budou hrat kazdy cca 300 mW vykonu, takze nevim, zda bych mel > poridit nejake odolnejsi, i kdyz v navodu je "ordinary thermal load". > From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Tue Jul 12 16:23:13 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Tue Jul 12 16:31:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? Message-ID: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz> caute. zrovna zkousim elektroniku ve slozeni 2x twister, tx a rx na skontorpovych tistacich. co ja vim, mel ondra tesar rekord ve vzdalenosi bez optiky neco kolem 4,5m. zkousim jak blazen, jsem na 4,5 metrech a pingy porad bez vypadku (obycejne s parametrem T). rssi na jedne strane kolem 100mV na druhe o neco min. uz mi nestaci kably abych mohl zkouset dal. :))))) ... ledky SFH2030 a F4000 ... v priloze jsou dukazy :) a ten prvni metr ma 3m... ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: Rotation of DSCN4056.JPG Typ: image/jpeg Velikost: 1770793 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050712/921c9651/RotationofDSCN4056-0001.jpg ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... 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Jm?no: Rotation of DSCN4053.JPG Typ: image/jpeg Velikost: 633580 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050712/921c9651/RotationofDSCN4053-0001.jpg From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Tue Jul 12 18:48:03 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Tue Jul 12 18:53:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface Message-ID: <200507121948.30443@centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: kendy@hkfree.org > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 23.06.2005 23:52 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface > > Ted sem dostavel nove RX moduly a data prenasely az od 250mV. To se m= i > vubec nelibilo a zjistil sem, ze to je moc vytazenou prijimajici diod= ou. > Kdyz sem ji zatlacil nazpet do krabicky --> cca 2-3mm pak koukaly ven= z > krabicky, tak najednou moduly zacaly prenaset data od 45-50mV. >=20 tak to muzu potvrdit. moje zastrcena dioda taky prestala prenaset kolem= 40mV ... mimochodem, jak je na tom ten CPLD interface? je uz spajena ta verze 2?= jak to vypada se zverejnenim? ja se na to uz uplne tresu :) >=20 > Kendy > HKfree >=20 >=20 > Martin Polehla napsal(a): >=20 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > Nektere moje moduly jeli az od 130-150mV. > > > p0l0us > > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > > >>O squelch uz jsem se jednou pokousel a neni to zadna sranda jak= to > >>udelat jednoduse. Pokud se to bere podle RSSI je potreba mit > >>moznost nastavit prah nekde mezi 20-100mV, typicky 50mV a musi se > >>pocitat s tim ze kdyz lezou data, tak napeti vyrazne poklesne proti > >>IDLE. > >> > >>Petr > >> > >> > >>>Dneska jsem konecne poslal data vyrobci desek a tak bych do dvou > >>>tydnu mel mit osazenou "definitivni" verzi 2. Verze 1 byla ta > >>>zkusebni. V pripade, ze se ukaze jako 100% funkcni, zverejnim > >>>vykresy desek a dotahnu > >>> > >>>zverejneni verilog zdrojaku. Ukol c. 1 je ted pro mne dodelat do > >>>prijimace SQUELCH, tj. obvod umlceni vystupu pokud je RSSI mensi > >>>nez nastavene minimum. Tato funkce s navaznosti na navrh spidera, > >>>ktery, kdyz nebude mit od RX idle > >>> > >>>signal, prestane do TP vysilat link pulsy, je dulezita pro BGP > >>>router, ktery > >>> > >>>pouze na zaklade toho muze pri vypadku opticke linky aktivovat > >>>zalozni trasu > >>> > >>>(dosud, kdyz napr. diky mlze spoj umre, router povazuje spoj za > >>>funkcni, pouze tichy a tak nema duvod presmerovavat data jinam). > >>>Jakub Ladman > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >> > >> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > iD4DBQFCuxjSYo9JRD7EbFIRApUrAJiDO4eTwSj12yFXAoGIiVYoOynbAJwNaC7N > > XxOICNcl7NSKQ7YIP/kTUA=3D=3D > > =3DEZHy > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Jul 12 18:58:46 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Jul 12 18:58:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz> References: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1121191126.42d404d68cb0d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Tenhle rekord je nezdrave nadopovany steroidy. Spravne odraziva podlaha dokaze zazraky. Zkus ty skatule podlozit treba krabici od CD nebo zidli aby se tolik neodrazelo od podlahy a pak se uvidi. > caute. zrovna zkousim elektroniku ve slozeni 2x twister, tx a rx na > skontorpovych tistacich. co ja vim, mel ondra tesar rekord ve vzdalenosi > bez optiky neco kolem 4,5m. zkousim jak blazen, jsem na 4,5 metrech a > pingy porad bez vypadku (obycejne s parametrem T). rssi na jedne strane > kolem 100mV na druhe o neco min. uz mi nestaci kably abych mohl zkouset > dal. :))))) ... ledky SFH2030 a F4000 ... v priloze jsou dukazy :) a ten > prvni metr ma 3m... > From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Tue Jul 12 19:08:06 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Tue Jul 12 19:08:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <1121191126.42d404d68cb0d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz> <1121191126.42d404d68cb0d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42D40706.7000704@centrum.cz> :( ..... myslis ze to muze mit fakt az takovy vliv? ted uz se mi to zkouset nechce, uz sem to sbalil....ale co me prekvapilo bylo to, ze nevetsi signal sem nameril, kdyz sem vysilac natocil trosku "z osy". proste ze se diody na sebe necumely primo, ale vysilaci byla otocena a svetelny kuzel protinal diodu krajem. de to videt na te fotce ... ale zeby i za to mohla podlaha??? :// Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > Tenhle rekord je nezdrave nadopovany steroidy. Spravne odraziva podlaha dokaze > zazraky. > Zkus ty skatule podlozit treba krabici od CD nebo zidli aby se tolik neodrazelo > od podlahy a pak se uvidi. > > >>caute. zrovna zkousim elektroniku ve slozeni 2x twister, tx a rx na >>skontorpovych tistacich. co ja vim, mel ondra tesar rekord ve vzdalenosi >> bez optiky neco kolem 4,5m. zkousim jak blazen, jsem na 4,5 metrech a >>pingy porad bez vypadku (obycejne s parametrem T). rssi na jedne strane >>kolem 100mV na druhe o neco min. uz mi nestaci kably abych mohl zkouset >>dal. :))))) ... ledky SFH2030 a F4000 ... v priloze jsou dukazy :) a ten >>prvni metr ma 3m... >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From sith at wifistar.net Tue Jul 12 22:34:48 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Tue Jul 12 20:32:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <42D40706.7000704@centrum.cz> References: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz> <1121191126.42d404d68cb0d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42D40706.7000704@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42D43778.2060408@wifistar.net> Mozna je to subjektivni, mam pocit, ze nejvetsi intenzita svitu ty ledky neni primo v ose, ale par stupnu od ni.. Narazil jsem na to take. Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > :( ..... > > myslis ze to muze mit fakt az takovy vliv? ted uz se mi to zkouset > nechce, uz sem to sbalil....ale co me prekvapilo bylo to, ze nevetsi > signal sem nameril, kdyz sem vysilac natocil trosku "z osy". proste ze > se diody na sebe necumely primo, ale vysilaci byla otocena a svetelny > kuzel protinal diodu krajem. de to videt na te fotce ... ale zeby i za > to mohla podlaha??? :// > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > >> Tenhle rekord je nezdrave nadopovany steroidy. Spravne odraziva >> podlaha dokaze >> zazraky. >> Zkus ty skatule podlozit treba krabici od CD nebo zidli aby se tolik >> neodrazelo >> od podlahy a pak se uvidi. >> >> >>> caute. zrovna zkousim elektroniku ve slozeni 2x twister, tx a rx na >>> skontorpovych tistacich. co ja vim, mel ondra tesar rekord ve >>> vzdalenosi bez optiky neco kolem 4,5m. zkousim jak blazen, jsem na >>> 4,5 metrech a pingy porad bez vypadku (obycejne s parametrem T). rssi >>> na jedne strane kolem 100mV na druhe o neco min. uz mi nestaci kably >>> abych mohl zkouset dal. :))))) ... ledky SFH2030 a F4000 ... v >>> priloze jsou dukazy :) a ten prvni metr ma 3m... >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek WiFiStar.net, o.s. skype: sith_cz From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Tue Jul 12 20:39:34 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?UTF-8?B?SmFrdWIgTWljaG7DrWs=?=) Date: Tue Jul 12 20:39:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <42D43778.2060408@wifistar.net> References: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz> <1121191126.42d404d68cb0d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42D40706.7000704@centrum.cz> <42D43778.2060408@wifistar.net> Message-ID: <42D41C76.6030708@centrum.cz> no, ale pokud se nemylim tak z toho vyplyva, ze kdyz ma cocka uhel ze ktereho je schopna z ohniska pojmout svetlo (nevim jak ten uhel spravne nazvat tak me dyz tak doplnte,dik) mensi nez jaky je vyzarovaci uhel F4000, pojitko prichazi o znacne mnozstvi svetla....a zrovna o to "nejlepsi" :) David Sedl??ek napsal(a): > Mozna je to subjektivni, mam pocit, ze nejvetsi intenzita svitu ty ledky > neni primo v ose, ale par stupnu od ni.. Narazil jsem na to take. > > > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > >>:( ..... >> >>myslis ze to muze mit fakt az takovy vliv? ted uz se mi to zkouset >>nechce, uz sem to sbalil....ale co me prekvapilo bylo to, ze nevetsi >>signal sem nameril, kdyz sem vysilac natocil trosku "z osy". proste ze >>se diody na sebe necumely primo, ale vysilaci byla otocena a svetelny >>kuzel protinal diodu krajem. de to videt na te fotce ... ale zeby i za >>to mohla podlaha??? :// >> >>Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): >> >> >>>Tenhle rekord je nezdrave nadopovany steroidy. Spravne odraziva >>>podlaha dokaze >>>zazraky. >>>Zkus ty skatule podlozit treba krabici od CD nebo zidli aby se tolik >>>neodrazelo >>>od podlahy a pak se uvidi. >>> >>> >>> >>>>caute. zrovna zkousim elektroniku ve slozeni 2x twister, tx a rx na >>>>skontorpovych tistacich. co ja vim, mel ondra tesar rekord ve >>>>vzdalenosi bez optiky neco kolem 4,5m. zkousim jak blazen, jsem na >>>>4,5 metrech a pingy porad bez vypadku (obycejne s parametrem T). rssi >>>>na jedne strane kolem 100mV na druhe o neco min. uz mi nestaci kably >>>>abych mohl zkouset dal. :))))) ... ledky SFH2030 a F4000 ... v >>>>priloze jsou dukazy :) a ten prvni metr ma 3m... >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > From anmic at fmg.sk Tue Jul 12 20:46:56 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Tue Jul 12 20:48:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? References: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz><1121191126.42d404d68cb0d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42D40706.7000704@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001901c5871a$a65ed760$16eb6cc2@anmic> > nechce, uz sem to sbalil....ale co me prekvapilo bylo to, ze nevetsi > signal sem nameril, kdyz sem vysilac natocil trosku "z osy". proste ze > se diody na sebe necumely primo, ale vysilaci byla otocena a svetelny > kuzel protinal diodu krajem. de to videt na te fotce ... ale zeby i za Mam stejnou zkusenost, a to i na neodrazivem povrchu. Myslim si, ze je to proto, ze dioda F400 nevysila nejvic energie presne v ose, ale dal v uzsim mezikruzi. (Posvitte si s tx zblizka na zed a jasne to uvidite.) anMic From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Jul 13 07:15:26 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Jul 13 07:15:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <001901c5871a$a65ed760$16eb6cc2@anmic> References: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz> <42D40706.7000704@centrum.cz> <001901c5871a$a65ed760$16eb6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <200507130815.26862.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Uz jsem to sem jednou posilal, nicmene je fakt ze F jsou s optikou lepsi a to tak ze vyrazne, ale bez optiky je to mizerie. Jako optiku jsem pouzival bezne cocky 13cm z trznice. Dioda F: http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM5577 Dioda E: http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM5578 > Mam stejnou zkusenost, a to i na neodrazivem povrchu. Myslim si, ze je to > proto, ze dioda F400 nevysila nejvic energie presne v ose, ale dal v uzsim > mezikruzi. (Posvitte si s tx zblizka na zed a jasne to uvidite.) > > anMic > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Wed Jul 13 08:12:41 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Jul 13 08:12:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Gumove spalky Message-ID: <42D4BEE9.5080502@centrum.cz> Kdysi sem kdesi cet ze nekdo pouzival jako gumu do holderu mezi L profily cosi z faforita, nebo mozna felicie, ted nevim, ze se to da udajne koupit v mototechne, vi nekdo co to presne bylo? nezpuchrela ta guma casem? jeste vazuju ze bych misto spalku na kazdy sroub dal raci jeden doprostred vyrobeny z podkladnic, ktere se pouzivaji na zeleznici. je to gumovy plat, ktery je vlozen mezi prazec a kolej. myslim ze by mohla neco vydrzet, kdyz to davaji na koleje (kdysi nam tim tata opravoval podrazky u bot :) )... akorat uz nevim kde je sehnat. kdysi lezely na kazdem rohu nekde pobliz trate. ted udelali koridory a ulkidili po sobe :) :( From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Jul 13 08:19:22 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Jul 13 08:19:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Gumove spalky In-Reply-To: <42D4BEE9.5080502@centrum.cz> References: <42D4BEE9.5080502@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200507130919.23132.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne st 13. ?ervence 2005 09:12 Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > Kdysi sem kdesi cet ze nekdo pouzival jako gumu do holderu mezi L > profily cosi z faforita, nebo mozna felicie, ted nevim, ze se to da > udajne koupit v mototechne, vi nekdo co to presne bylo? nezpuchrela ta > guma casem? Guma je to kvalitni presne: gumovy silentblok zavesu horniho oka tlumice na Skudu 120 katalogove cislo: 113-495801 S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From sith at wifistar.net Wed Jul 13 11:22:55 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Jul 13 09:20:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Gumove spalky In-Reply-To: <42D4BEE9.5080502@centrum.cz> References: <42D4BEE9.5080502@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42D4EB7F.5060407@wifistar.net> Pouzivam zarazky ke dverim a nemuzu si stezovat. Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > Kdysi sem kdesi cet ze nekdo pouzival jako gumu do holderu mezi L > profily cosi z faforita, nebo mozna felicie, ted nevim, ze se to da > udajne koupit v mototechne, vi nekdo co to presne bylo? nezpuchrela ta > guma casem? jeste vazuju ze bych misto spalku na kazdy sroub dal raci > jeden doprostred vyrobeny z podkladnic, ktere se pouzivaji na zeleznici. > je to gumovy plat, ktery je vlozen mezi prazec a kolej. myslim ze by > mohla neco vydrzet, kdyz to davaji na koleje (kdysi nam tim tata > opravoval podrazky u bot :) )... akorat uz nevim kde je sehnat. kdysi > lezely na kazdem rohu nekde pobliz trate. ted udelali koridory a > ulkidili po sobe :) :( > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek WiFiStar.net, o.s. skype: sith_cz From HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz Wed Jul 13 13:10:30 2005 From: HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Rudolf=20Hruby?=) Date: Wed Jul 13 13:10:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery Message-ID: <9.12-14774-400580814-1121256630@seznam.cz> Zdravim. Mam problem s dvema nefunkcnimi Twistery. Oba se chovaji stejne. Zluta LED sviti, na vystupu stabilizatoru je 5V, loopback test s najumprovanim na loopback funguje, s propojenim RX a TX na konektoru vsak ne. Po pripojeni TX sviti jeho LED (F4000). Po pripojeni RX se nedeje vubec nic (na Twisteru sviti pouze zluta LED). RX a TX LED na Twisteru nikdy ani nebliknou. Predem dik za jakoukoli radu ;) From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Wed Jul 13 13:41:12 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Jul 13 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery In-Reply-To: <9.12-14774-400580814-1121256630@seznam.cz> References: <9.12-14774-400580814-1121256630@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42D50BE8.2040607@centrum.cz> mas dobre zapojeny TP kabel a jumpry na "PC" ? pokud ti v XP sviti v sitovych pripojenich "jmeno pripojeni - aktivni" tak to je dobre. jestli ani to, tak je chyba nejspis v kablu nebo jumprech. Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): > Zdravim. Mam problem s dvema nefunkcnimi Twistery. Oba se chovaji stejne. Zluta LED sviti, na vystupu stabilizatoru je 5V, loopback test s najumprovanim na loopback funguje, s propojenim RX a TX na konektoru vsak ne. Po pripojeni TX sviti jeho LED (F4000). Po pripojeni RX se nedeje vubec nic (na Twisteru sviti pouze zluta LED). RX a TX LED na Twisteru nikdy ani nebliknou. Predem dik za jakoukoli radu ;) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From anmic at fmg.sk Wed Jul 13 17:22:22 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Wed Jul 13 17:22:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? References: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz> <42D40706.7000704@centrum.cz><001901c5871a$a65ed760$16eb6cc2@anmic> <200507130815.26862.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <001001c587c7$17810420$0101a8c0@anmic> > Uz jsem to sem jednou posilal, nicmene je fakt ze F jsou s optikou lepsi a to > tak ze vyrazne, ale bez optiky je to mizerie. > Jako optiku jsem pouzival bezne cocky 13cm z trznice. > > > Dioda F: http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM5577 > Dioda E: http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM5578 > > > Mam stejnou zkusenost, a to i na neodrazivem povrchu. Myslim si, ze je to > > proto, ze dioda F400 nevysila nejvic energie presne v ose, ale dal v uzsim > > mezikruzi. (Posvitte si s tx zblizka na zed a jasne to uvidite.) > > > > anMic > > > > Vykazuji F400 lepsi parametry i pri pouziti 90mm hlavic? anMic From Korda.M at seznam.cz Wed Jul 13 19:00:17 2005 From: Korda.M at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Milan=20Korda?=) Date: Wed Jul 13 19:00:23 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Nefunkcni=20Twistery?= In-Reply-To: <42D50BE8.2040607@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <924.1612-23714-589847530-1121277617@seznam.cz> Jo ve win XP se to hlasi jako aktivni.. Predpokladam, ze kdyby ten kabel byl spatne tak by nesel ani loopback.. From HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz Thu Jul 14 00:20:10 2005 From: HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Rudolf=20Hruby?=) Date: Thu Jul 14 00:20:17 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Nefunkcni=20Twistery?= In-Reply-To: <924.1612-23714-589847530-1121277617@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <15.18-30535-587836652-1121296810@seznam.cz> Ano ve Win XP to je po pripojeni kabelu aktivni. From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Jul 14 06:21:27 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Jul 14 06:21:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <001001c587c7$17810420$0101a8c0@anmic> References: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz> <200507130815.26862.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <001001c587c7$17810420$0101a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <200507140721.27716.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > Vykazuji F400 lepsi parametry i pri pouziti 90mm hlavic? > Nevim, nikdy jsem 90mm optiku nestavel. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Thu Jul 14 06:42:23 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Thu Jul 14 06:42:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? References: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz><200507130815.26862.zapadlo@melzer.cz><001001c587c7$17810420$0101a8c0@anmic> <200507140721.27716.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <000601c58836$cf665990$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> to semi zda nebo je skutecne na te fotce pouzivany ot twistra k rx tx ten slaby 50ohm koax ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Zapadlo" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? > > Vykazuji F400 lepsi parametry i pri pouziti 90mm hlavic? > Nevim, nikdy jsem 90mm optiku nestavel. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Thu Jul 14 06:43:11 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Thu Jul 14 06:43:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery References: <15.18-30535-587836652-1121296810@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c58836$ec10e970$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> nemas tam moc dlouhy drat ? treba u sebe jsem zjistil ze zalezi na kazdem cm :(( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rudolf Hruby" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery > Ano ve Win XP to je po pripojeni kabelu aktivni. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Jul 14 06:49:55 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Jul 14 06:49:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <000601c58836$cf665990$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz> <200507140721.27716.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000601c58836$cf665990$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <200507140749.55525.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 14. ?ervence 2005 07:42 Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > to semi zda nebo je skutecne na te fotce pouzivany ot twistra k rx tx ten > slaby 50ohm koax ?? > Ja pouzivam RG58, ti starsi vedi ze to byl ethernetovy 50ohmovy koax. (Mnohdy je to primo on, vytazeny ze zdi :-)) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu Jul 14 07:47:11 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Jul 14 07:47:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <000601c58836$cf665990$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <42D3E061.7050403@centrum.cz><200507130815.26862.zapadlo@melzer.cz><001001c587c7$17810420$0101a8c0@anmic> <200507140721.27716.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000601c58836$cf665990$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <42D60A6F.7030301@centrum.cz> je to RG58 udajne. mi to dali ve skole s tim ze je to RG58, protoze rusili koaxy a davali TPcka. jesi je slyby to nevim jak myslis, ale jestli na prumer, tak je stejne tlusty jak RG58 z GM Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > to semi zda nebo je skutecne na te fotce pouzivany ot twistra k rx tx > ten slaby 50ohm koax ?? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Zapadlo" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? > > > >> >> Vykazuji F400 lepsi parametry i pri pouziti 90mm hlavic? >> > > Nevim, nikdy jsem 90mm optiku nestavel. > > S pozdravem From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jul 14 07:58:32 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jul 14 07:58:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] SPIDER - CPLD interface In-Reply-To: <200507121948.30443@centrum.cz> References: <200507121948.30443@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200507140858.32916.ladmanj@volny.cz> > mimochodem, jak je na tom ten CPLD interface? je uz spajena ta verze 2? jak > to vypada se zverejnenim? ja se na to uz uplne tresu :) Tistaky maj bejt zejtra, ale pujdu je vyzvednout az v pindeli,protoze na vikend jedu pryc. Snad pristi tejden bude i vejplata, abych to mohl zaplatit From clock at twibright.com Thu Jul 14 08:04:14 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jul 14 08:07:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery In-Reply-To: <924.1612-23714-589847530-1121277617@seznam.cz> References: <42D50BE8.2040607@centrum.cz> <924.1612-23714-589847530-1121277617@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050714070414.GA9281@kestrel> On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 08:00:17PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Jo ve win XP se to hlasi jako aktivni.. Predpokladam, ze kdyby ten > kabel byl spatne tak by nesel ani loopback.. To znamena ze link integrity pulse generator bezi. Vzhledem k tomu ze neni znamo, ze by Twister mohl nefungovat, doporucuju zkontrolovat vsechny letovane spoje jestli nektery neni nezaletovany, praskly, studenak etc a pripadne pochybne preletovat. Nebyly pouzity nejake nedovolene nahrady soucastek? CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jul 14 08:30:08 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jul 14 08:33:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <42D60A6F.7030301@centrum.cz> References: <200507140721.27716.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000601c58836$cf665990$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42D60A6F.7030301@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050714073008.GA11780@kestrel> On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 08:47:11AM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > je to RG58 udajne. mi to dali ve skole s tim ze je to RG58, protoze > rusili koaxy a davali TPcka. jesi je slyby to nevim jak myslis, ale > jestli na prumer, tak je stejne tlusty jak RG58 z GM To je RG58. Na eth se pouziva. Jestli z toho byl koaovej ethernet, tak je to na Ronju zcela optimalni. CL< From HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz Thu Jul 14 13:16:51 2005 From: HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Rudolf=20Hruby?=) Date: Thu Jul 14 13:16:57 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Nefunkcni=20Twistery?= In-Reply-To: <20050714070414.GA9281@kestrel> Message-ID: <26.31-20293-1298441274-1121343411@seznam.cz> Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi 2m, ale to snad nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim vse v poradku, ale je jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod nebo jina soucastka by mohla byt spatna? From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu Jul 14 14:09:14 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Jul 14 14:09:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery In-Reply-To: <26.31-20293-1298441274-1121343411@seznam.cz> References: <26.31-20293-1298441274-1121343411@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42D663FA.3080000@centrum.cz> kabel nevadi, promer vsechny odpory, zkontroluj IO, twister chodi fakt skoro dycky. mi jednou se stalo ze ledky neblikaly a vymenil sem 22p kondiky za 33p a uz to jelo. ted sem udelal dalsi twistry a jedou s 22p v pohode. nevim cim to bylo, ale fakt to delalo to u obou twistru. Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): > Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi 2m, ale to snad nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim vse v poradku, ale je jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod nebo jina soucastka by mohla byt spatna? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From vikr at seznam.cz Thu Jul 14 15:45:16 2005 From: vikr at seznam.cz (vikr@seznam.cz) Date: Thu Jul 14 15:45:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <1035.1494-29327-415652477-1121352316@seznam.cz> zdravim :) mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu stalo, Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak neprojde ani packet , prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer tak TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??? From vikr at seznam.cz Thu Jul 14 15:49:02 2005 From: vikr at seznam.cz (vikr@seznam.cz) Date: Thu Jul 14 15:49:06 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Nefunkcni=20Twistery?= In-Reply-To: <42D663FA.3080000@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1038.1497-31000-1247060183-1121352542@seznam.cz> < ------------ Puvodni zprava ------------ < Od: Jakub Michn?k < Predmet: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery < Datum: 14.7.2005 16:09:16 < ---------------------------------------- < kabel nevadi, promer vsechny odpory, zkontroluj IO, twister chodi fakt < skoro dycky. mi jednou se stalo ze ledky neblikaly a vymenil sem 22p < kondiky za 33p a uz to jelo. ted sem udelal dalsi twistry a jedou s 22p < v pohode. nevim cim to bylo, ale fakt to delalo to u obou twistru. < < Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): < > Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi 2m, ale to snad < nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim vse v poradku, ale je < jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod nebo jina soucastka by mohla byt < spatna? poradne se podivej jestli tam mas dobre nakrimpovany utp-ko ,mi uz se podarilo prohodit dve zily. hehe From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu Jul 14 15:55:44 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Jul 14 15:55:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery In-Reply-To: <1038.1497-31000-1247060183-1121352542@seznam.cz> References: <1038.1497-31000-1247060183-1121352542@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42D67CF0.2070801@centrum.cz> pri prohozenych zilach hlasi XP ze je pripojeni aktivni? vikr@seznam.cz napsal(a): > > < ------------ Puvodni zprava ------------ > < Od: Jakub Michn?k > < Predmet: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery > < Datum: 14.7.2005 16:09:16 > < ---------------------------------------- > < kabel nevadi, promer vsechny odpory, zkontroluj IO, twister chodi > fakt < skoro dycky. mi jednou se stalo ze ledky neblikaly a vymenil sem > 22p < kondiky za 33p a uz to jelo. ted sem udelal dalsi twistry a jedou > s 22p < v pohode. nevim cim to bylo, ale fakt to delalo to u obou twistru. > < < Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): > < > Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi 2m, > ale to snad > < nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim vse v poradku, > ale je > < jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod nebo jina soucastka > by mohla byt > < spatna? > > poradne se podivej jestli tam mas dobre nakrimpovany utp-ko ,mi uz se > podarilo prohodit dve zily. hehe > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From vikr at seznam.cz Thu Jul 14 16:08:39 2005 From: vikr at seznam.cz (vikr) Date: Thu Jul 14 16:08:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery In-Reply-To: <42D67CF0.2070801@centrum.cz> References: <1038.1497-31000-1247060183-1121352542@seznam.cz> <42D67CF0.2070801@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42D67FF7.7080808@seznam.cz> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > pri prohozenych zilach hlasi XP ze je pripojeni aktivni? > > vikr@seznam.cz napsal(a): > >> >> < ------------ Puvodni zprava ------------ >> < Od: Jakub Michn?k >> < Predmet: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery >> < Datum: 14.7.2005 16:09:16 >> < ---------------------------------------- >> < kabel nevadi, promer vsechny odpory, zkontroluj IO, twister chodi >> fakt < skoro dycky. mi jednou se stalo ze ledky neblikaly a vymenil >> sem 22p < kondiky za 33p a uz to jelo. ted sem udelal dalsi twistry >> a jedou s 22p < v pohode. nevim cim to bylo, ale fakt to delalo to u >> obou twistru. >> < < Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): >> < > Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi >> 2m, ale to snad >> < nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim vse v >> poradku, ale je >> < jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod nebo jina >> soucastka by mohla byt >> < spatna? >> >> poradne se podivej jestli tam mas dobre nakrimpovany utp-ko ,mi uz se >> podarilo prohodit dve zily. hehe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 > Testovano: 14.7.2005 17:03:16 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ano hlasi, protoze kontroluje pouze dve zily , ty dalsi dve kotroluje protejsi strana takze zalezi ktere by prohodil ;) --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 Testovano: 14.7.2005 17:08:40 avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu Jul 14 16:10:16 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Jul 14 16:10:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery In-Reply-To: <42D67FF7.7080808@seznam.cz> References: <1038.1497-31000-1247060183-1121352542@seznam.cz> <42D67CF0.2070801@centrum.cz> <42D67FF7.7080808@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42D68058.6090609@centrum.cz> jak to vlastne ta sitovka kontroluje? meri jesi proteka proud? nebo jak? vikr napsal(a): > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > >> pri prohozenych zilach hlasi XP ze je pripojeni aktivni? >> >> vikr@seznam.cz napsal(a): >> >>> >>> < ------------ Puvodni zprava ------------ >>> < Od: Jakub Michn?k >>> < Predmet: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery >>> < Datum: 14.7.2005 16:09:16 >>> < ---------------------------------------- >>> < kabel nevadi, promer vsechny odpory, zkontroluj IO, twister chodi >>> fakt < skoro dycky. mi jednou se stalo ze ledky neblikaly a vymenil >>> sem 22p < kondiky za 33p a uz to jelo. ted sem udelal dalsi twistry >>> a jedou s 22p < v pohode. nevim cim to bylo, ale fakt to delalo to u >>> obou twistru. >>> < < Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): >>> < > Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi >>> 2m, ale to snad >>> < nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim vse v >>> poradku, ale je >>> < jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod nebo jina >>> soucastka by mohla byt >>> < spatna? >>> >>> poradne se podivej jestli tam mas dobre nakrimpovany utp-ko ,mi uz se >>> podarilo prohodit dve zily. hehe >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 >> Testovano: 14.7.2005 17:03:16 >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> > ano hlasi, protoze kontroluje pouze dve zily , ty dalsi dve kotroluje > protejsi strana takze zalezi ktere by prohodil ;) > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 > Testovano: 14.7.2005 17:08:40 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz Thu Jul 14 16:43:45 2005 From: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz (dj-bobr) Date: Thu Jul 14 16:44:02 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery In-Reply-To: <42D68058.6090609@centrum.cz> References: <1038.1497-31000-1247060183-1121352542@seznam.cz> <42D67CF0.2070801@centrum.cz> <42D67FF7.7080808@seznam.cz> <42D68058.6090609@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42D68831.4080003@seznam.cz> Sitovka kazdych 16ms posila Link Pulse, ktery je budto celistvy 16ms impulz, a nebo muze obsahovat informaci o autonegotiation ve forme 17 nebo 33 bitove informace. To, ze se na sitovce rozsviti dioda Link znamena, ze uspesne prijima linkove pulzy z druhe strany. > jak to vlastne ta sitovka kontroluje? meri jesi proteka proud? nebo jak? > > vikr napsal(a): > >> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): >> >>> pri prohozenych zilach hlasi XP ze je pripojeni aktivni? >>> >>> vikr@seznam.cz napsal(a): >>> >>>> >>>> < ------------ Puvodni zprava ------------ >>>> < Od: Jakub Michn?k >>>> < Predmet: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery >>>> < Datum: 14.7.2005 16:09:16 >>>> < ---------------------------------------- >>>> < kabel nevadi, promer vsechny odpory, zkontroluj IO, twister chodi >>>> fakt < skoro dycky. mi jednou se stalo ze ledky neblikaly a vymenil >>>> sem 22p < kondiky za 33p a uz to jelo. ted sem udelal dalsi twistry >>>> a jedou s 22p < v pohode. nevim cim to bylo, ale fakt to delalo to >>>> u obou twistru. >>>> < < Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): >>>> < > Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi >>>> 2m, ale to snad >>>> < nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim vse v >>>> poradku, ale je >>>> < jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod nebo jina >>>> soucastka by mohla byt >>>> < spatna? >>>> >>>> poradne se podivej jestli tam mas dobre nakrimpovany utp-ko ,mi uz >>>> se podarilo prohodit dve zily. hehe >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ronja mailing list >>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --- >>> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >>> Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 >>> Testovano: 14.7.2005 17:03:16 >>> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ano hlasi, protoze kontroluje pouze dve zily , ty dalsi dve kotroluje >> protejsi strana takze zalezi ktere by prohodil ;) >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 >> Testovano: 14.7.2005 17:08:40 >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Thu Jul 14 16:51:38 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Thu Jul 14 16:51:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <1035.1494-29327-415652477-1121352316@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000801c5888b$ebfc2850$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si nechal navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy co pak :D ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: [Ronja] problem > zdravim :) > mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu stalo, > > Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak neprojde > ani packet , > prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer tak > TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. > Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu Jul 14 17:23:34 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Jul 14 17:23:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery In-Reply-To: <42D68831.4080003@seznam.cz> References: <1038.1497-31000-1247060183-1121352542@seznam.cz> <42D67CF0.2070801@centrum.cz> <42D67FF7.7080808@seznam.cz> <42D68058.6090609@centrum.cz> <42D68831.4080003@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42D69186.8020202@centrum.cz> ach taaak ... tos to ano. a jaktoze twister neprenese ty atuoneg. informace? sou snad moc pomale ze je twister prehlidne nebo proc? dj-bobr napsal(a): > Sitovka kazdych 16ms posila Link Pulse, ktery je budto celistvy 16ms > impulz, a nebo muze obsahovat informaci o autonegotiation ve forme 17 > nebo 33 bitove informace. > To, ze se na sitovce rozsviti dioda Link znamena, ze uspesne prijima > linkove pulzy z druhe strany. > >> jak to vlastne ta sitovka kontroluje? meri jesi proteka proud? nebo jak? >> >> vikr napsal(a): >> >>> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): >>> >>>> pri prohozenych zilach hlasi XP ze je pripojeni aktivni? >>>> >>>> vikr@seznam.cz napsal(a): >>>> >>>>> >>>>> < ------------ Puvodni zprava ------------ >>>>> < Od: Jakub Michn?k >>>>> < Predmet: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery >>>>> < Datum: 14.7.2005 16:09:16 >>>>> < ---------------------------------------- >>>>> < kabel nevadi, promer vsechny odpory, zkontroluj IO, twister >>>>> chodi fakt < skoro dycky. mi jednou se stalo ze ledky neblikaly a >>>>> vymenil sem 22p < kondiky za 33p a uz to jelo. ted sem udelal >>>>> dalsi twistry a jedou s 22p < v pohode. nevim cim to bylo, ale >>>>> fakt to delalo to u obou twistru. >>>>> < < Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): >>>>> < > Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi >>>>> 2m, ale to snad >>>>> < nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim vse v >>>>> poradku, ale je >>>>> < jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod nebo jina >>>>> soucastka by mohla byt >>>>> < spatna? >>>>> >>>>> poradne se podivej jestli tam mas dobre nakrimpovany utp-ko ,mi uz >>>>> se podarilo prohodit dve zily. hehe >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ronja mailing list >>>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >>>> Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 >>>> Testovano: 14.7.2005 17:03:16 >>>> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >>>> http://www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ano hlasi, protoze kontroluje pouze dve zily , ty dalsi dve kotroluje >>> protejsi strana takze zalezi ktere by prohodil ;) >>> >>> >>> --- >>> avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. >>> Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 >>> Testovano: 14.7.2005 17:08:40 >>> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu Jul 14 17:24:38 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Jul 14 17:24:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <000801c5888b$ebfc2850$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <1035.1494-29327-415652477-1121352316@seznam.cz> <000801c5888b$ebfc2850$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <42D691C6.8080300@centrum.cz> kolik to bude stat? ... a kdyz se nezeptam ja, zepta se nekdo jiny. budou ty tistaky zverejnene? :) Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si nechal > navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy co pak :D > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM > Subject: [Ronja] problem > > >> zdravim :) >> mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu stalo, >> >> Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak >> neprojde ani packet , >> prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer tak >> TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. >> Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From anmic at fmg.sk Thu Jul 14 17:23:52 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Thu Jul 14 17:27:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery References: <924.1612-23714-589847530-1121277617@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <003701c58890$fa8d2770$0101a8c0@anmic> > Jo ve win XP se to hlasi jako aktivni.. Predpokladam, ze kdyby ten kabel byl spatne tak by nesel ani loopback.. > Zkousel jste loopback test spojenim vystupu rx a tx? (Pozor, nespojovat stineni, zpusobilo by zkrat!) anMic From rasken at centrum.cz Thu Jul 14 18:00:02 2005 From: rasken at centrum.cz (rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Jul 14 18:00:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz> A proc delate stejnou vec dvakrat?? vzdit Clocka ma tistaky na Tx pr= ipravene k uvolneni=20 jen se jeste neseslo dost prostredku, aby se mu zaplatil vyvoj...... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: jakub.michnik@centrum.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 14.07.2005 18:25 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > kolik to bude stat? ... a kdyz se nezeptam ja, zepta se nekdo jiny. b= udou > ty tistaky zverejnene? :) >=20 > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > > podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si n= echal > > navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy co pa= k :D > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] problem > > > >> zdravim :) > >> mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu st= alo, > >> > >> Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak >= > > neprojde ani packet , > >> prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer tak= >> > TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. > >> Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Jul 14 18:47:32 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Jul 14 18:47:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> no t=F8eba kv=F9li tomu, =9Ee to nen=ED smd nebo tam m=E1 zn=E1m=E9 ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem A proc delate stejnou vec dvakrat?? vzdit Clocka ma tistaky na Tx pripravene k uvolneni jen se jeste neseslo dost prostredku, aby se mu zaplatil vyvoj...... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: jakub.michnik@centrum.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: 14.07.2005 18:25 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > kolik to bude stat? ... a kdyz se nezeptam ja, zepta se nekdo jiny. bud= ou > ty tistaky zverejnene? :) > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > > podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si nec= hal > > navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy co pak = :D > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] problem > > > >> zdravim :) > >> mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu stal= o, > >> > >> Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak >> > neprojde ani packet , > >> prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer tak >= > > TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. > >> Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Jul 14 18:48:34 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Jul 14 18:48:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? References: <200507140721.27716.zapadlo@melzer.cz><000601c58836$cf665990$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><42D60A6F.7030301@centrum.cz> <20050714073008.GA11780@kestrel> Message-ID: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> zcela optim?ln?? a nem? tam b?t 75 Ohm koax? Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? > On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 08:47:11AM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > je to RG58 udajne. mi to dali ve skole s tim ze je to RG58, protoze > > rusili koaxy a davali TPcka. jesi je slyby to nevim jak myslis, ale > > jestli na prumer, tak je stejne tlusty jak RG58 z GM > > To je RG58. Na eth se pouziva. Jestli z toho byl koaovej ethernet, tak > je to na Ronju zcela optimalni. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Jul 14 19:04:52 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Jul 14 19:05:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <200507140721.27716.zapadlo@melzer.cz><000601c58836$cf665990$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><42D60A6F.7030301@centrum.cz> <20050714073008.GA11780@kestrel> <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <1121364292.42d6a944206b7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Kdyz te to pali tak si tam dej RG59, rozdil nepoznas. A kdyby to bylo nekomu malo tak jsem dneska zadelal do nove verze RXu podporu i pro UTPcko. Diky tomu ze se nasel sponzor, tak budou pripravena gerber data a osazovak k uvolneni v prvni polovine srpna. Petr > zcela optim?ln?? a nem? tam b?t 75 Ohm koax? > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? > > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 08:47:11AM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > je to RG58 udajne. mi to dali ve skole s tim ze je to RG58, protoze > > > rusili koaxy a davali TPcka. jesi je slyby to nevim jak myslis, ale > > > jestli na prumer, tak je stejne tlusty jak RG58 z GM > > > > To je RG58. Na eth se pouziva. Jestli z toho byl koaovej ethernet, tak > > je to na Ronju zcela optimalni. > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Jul 14 19:21:27 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Jul 14 19:21:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? References: <200507140721.27716.zapadlo@melzer.cz><000601c58836$cf665990$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><42D60A6F.7030301@centrum.cz><20050714073008.GA11780@kestrel><006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <1121364292.42d6a944206b7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <000b01c588a0$d9a2d7c0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> nepali, jen me prekvapuje, ze tentokrat Clock nebaziruje na detailech :-D Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? Kdyz te to pali tak si tam dej RG59, rozdil nepoznas. A kdyby to bylo nekomu malo tak jsem dneska zadelal do nove verze RXu podporu i pro UTPcko. Diky tomu ze se nasel sponzor, tak budou pripravena gerber data a osazovak k uvolneni v prvni polovine srpna. Petr > zcela optim?ln?? a nem? tam b?t 75 Ohm koax? > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? > > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 08:47:11AM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > je to RG58 udajne. mi to dali ve skole s tim ze je to RG58, protoze > > > rusili koaxy a davali TPcka. jesi je slyby to nevim jak myslis, ale > > > jestli na prumer, tak je stejne tlusty jak RG58 z GM > > > > To je RG58. Na eth se pouziva. Jestli z toho byl koaovej ethernet, tak > > je to na Ronju zcela optimalni. > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From vikr at seznam.cz Thu Jul 14 21:26:32 2005 From: vikr at seznam.cz (vikr) Date: Thu Jul 14 21:26:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery In-Reply-To: <42D663FA.3080000@centrum.cz> References: <26.31-20293-1298441274-1121343411@seznam.cz> <42D663FA.3080000@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42D6CA78.1000303@seznam.cz> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > kabel nevadi, promer vsechny odpory, zkontroluj IO, twister chodi fakt > skoro dycky. mi jednou se stalo ze ledky neblikaly a vymenil sem 22p > kondiky za 33p a uz to jelo. ted sem udelal dalsi twistry a jedou s > 22p v pohode. nevim cim to bylo, ale fakt to delalo to u obou twistru. > > Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): > >> Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi 2m, >> ale to snad nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim >> vse v poradku, ale je jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod >> nebo jina soucastka by mohla byt spatna? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 > Testovano: 14.7.2005 16:49:29 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ono ne vzdycky koupis soucastky s parametry na nich napsane, nezapomen, ze vyroba se deli na na soucasky presne pro velkoodberatele(napr philips,sony, etc.) a zbytek co se nevejde do jimi pozadovane tolerance jde do GME , GES ,etc. pro nas male kutily ;) --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 Testovano: 14.7.2005 22:26:32 avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu Jul 14 21:32:14 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Jul 14 21:32:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery In-Reply-To: <42D6CA78.1000303@seznam.cz> References: <26.31-20293-1298441274-1121343411@seznam.cz> <42D663FA.3080000@centrum.cz> <42D6CA78.1000303@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42D6CBCE.9020906@centrum.cz> hm, jo, ale bral bych ze jeden by byl mimo, ale takhleto vypada ze maji chybu 50% tos to at s takovym kondikem dou k sipku... to dam potom 100n uz uplne vsude :) vikr napsal(a): > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > >> kabel nevadi, promer vsechny odpory, zkontroluj IO, twister chodi fakt >> skoro dycky. mi jednou se stalo ze ledky neblikaly a vymenil sem 22p >> kondiky za 33p a uz to jelo. ted sem udelal dalsi twistry a jedou s >> 22p v pohode. nevim cim to bylo, ale fakt to delalo to u obou twistru. >> >> Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): >> >>> Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi 2m, >>> ale to snad nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim >>> vse v poradku, ale je jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod >>> nebo jina soucastka by mohla byt spatna? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 >> Testovano: 14.7.2005 16:49:29 >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> > ono ne vzdycky koupis soucastky s parametry na nich napsane, nezapomen, > ze vyroba se deli na na soucasky presne pro velkoodberatele(napr > philips,sony, etc.) a zbytek co se nevejde do jimi pozadovane tolerance > jde do GME , GES ,etc. pro nas male kutily ;) > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 > Testovano: 14.7.2005 22:26:32 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Jul 14 22:13:12 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Jul 14 22:13:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery References: <26.31-20293-1298441274-1121343411@seznam.cz> <42D663FA.3080000@centrum.cz><42D6CA78.1000303@seznam.cz> <42D6CBCE.9020906@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000d01c588b8$d8221740$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> klasicke keramicke kondenzatory maji toleranci -50 +100 % :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery hm, jo, ale bral bych ze jeden by byl mimo, ale takhleto vypada ze maji chybu 50% tos to at s takovym kondikem dou k sipku... to dam potom 100n uz uplne vsude :) vikr napsal(a): > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > >> kabel nevadi, promer vsechny odpory, zkontroluj IO, twister chodi fakt >> skoro dycky. mi jednou se stalo ze ledky neblikaly a vymenil sem 22p >> kondiky za 33p a uz to jelo. ted sem udelal dalsi twistry a jedou s >> 22p v pohode. nevim cim to bylo, ale fakt to delalo to u obou twistru. >> >> Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): >> >>> Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi 2m, >>> ale to snad nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim >>> vse v poradku, ale je jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod >>> nebo jina soucastka by mohla byt spatna? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 >> Testovano: 14.7.2005 16:49:29 >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> > ono ne vzdycky koupis soucastky s parametry na nich napsane, nezapomen, > ze vyroba se deli na na soucasky presne pro velkoodberatele(napr > philips,sony, etc.) a zbytek co se nevejde do jimi pozadovane tolerance > jde do GME , GES ,etc. pro nas male kutily ;) > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 > Testovano: 14.7.2005 22:26:32 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Fri Jul 15 07:10:34 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Fri Jul 15 07:10:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001601c58903$e9df4d40$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> no jo pripravene , ja jsem se tady ptal jestli je nekdo schopny je prodat= a=20 nic, taky bych radsi mel pcb primo od nej ale rad bych to v dohledne dobe= a=20 ne za x let :(( ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem A proc delate stejnou vec dvakrat?? vzdit Clocka ma tistaky na Tx=20 pripravene k uvolneni jen se jeste neseslo dost prostredku, aby se mu zaplatil vyvoj...... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: jakub.michnik@centrum.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: 14.07.2005 18:25 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > kolik to bude stat? ... a kdyz se nezeptam ja, zepta se nekdo jiny. bud= ou > ty tistaky zverejnene? :) > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > > podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si nec= hal > > navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy co pak = :D > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] problem > > > >> zdravim :) > >> mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu stal= o, > >> > >> Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak >> > neprojde ani packet , > >> prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer tak >= > > TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. > >> Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja=20 From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Fri Jul 15 07:11:46 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Fri Jul 15 07:11:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <1035.1494-29327-415652477-1121352316@seznam.cz><000801c5888b$ebfc2850$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42D691C6.8080300@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001d01c58904$1429ded0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> kolik presne nevim, par tisic to asi bude, jak je budu mit osazene a ozkousene tak napisu, kdyztak se muzem domluvit ze bych ti je poskytl.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > kolik to bude stat? ... a kdyz se nezeptam ja, zepta se nekdo jiny. budou > ty tistaky zverejnene? :) > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): >> podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si nechal >> navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy co pak :D >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM >> Subject: [Ronja] problem >> >> >>> zdravim :) >>> mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu stalo, >>> >>> Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak >>> neprojde ani packet , >>> prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer tak >>> TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. >>> Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Fri Jul 15 07:17:50 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Fri Jul 15 07:17:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz> <004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> no skutecne to nebude SMD a to uz jenom z toho duvodu ze si SMD sam=20 neosadim.. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem no t=F8eba kv=F9li tomu, =9Ee to nen=ED smd nebo tam m=E1 zn=E1m=E9 ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem A proc delate stejnou vec dvakrat?? vzdit Clocka ma tistaky na Tx pripravene k uvolneni jen se jeste neseslo dost prostredku, aby se mu zaplatil vyvoj...... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: jakub.michnik@centrum.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: 14.07.2005 18:25 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > kolik to bude stat? ... a kdyz se nezeptam ja, zepta se nekdo jiny. bud= ou > ty tistaky zverejnene? :) > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > > podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si nec= hal > > navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy co pak = :D > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] problem > > > >> zdravim :) > >> mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu stal= o, > >> > >> Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak >> > neprojde ani packet , > >> prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer tak >= > > TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. > >> Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja=20 From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Fri Jul 15 07:18:34 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Fri Jul 15 07:18:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? References: <200507140721.27716.zapadlo@melzer.cz><000601c58836$cf665990$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><42D60A6F.7030301@centrum.cz><20050714073008.GA11780@kestrel> <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> prave proto me to zarazilo ze je predepsany 75ohm a ten rg58 co jsem mel puvodne jsem pro jistotu vyhodil... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? zcela optim?ln?? a nem? tam b?t 75 Ohm koax? Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? > On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 08:47:11AM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > je to RG58 udajne. mi to dali ve skole s tim ze je to RG58, protoze > > rusili koaxy a davali TPcka. jesi je slyby to nevim jak myslis, ale > > jestli na prumer, tak je stejne tlusty jak RG58 z GM > > To je RG58. Na eth se pouziva. Jestli z toho byl koaovej ethernet, tak > je to na Ronju zcela optimalni. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From rasken at centrum.cz Fri Jul 15 09:05:09 2005 From: rasken at centrum.cz (rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Fri Jul 15 09:05:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <200507151005.29902@centrum.cz> SMD tistaky uz sou davno udelane a k dispozici. Pokud by tam mnel zname, nebude ho vyvoj tistak=F9 stat nekolik desitek= tisic jak tu nekdo psal ;-)=20 a byla by to opravdu zbytecna prace. Tistaky od Clocka na Tx modul sou = na klasicke soucastky. Rasken ______________________________________________________________ > Od: srnkap@extranetplus.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 15.07.2005 08:18 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > no skutecne to nebude SMD a to uz jenom z toho duvodu ze si SMD sam > neosadim.. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >=20 >=20 > no t=F8eba kv=F9li tomu, =9Ee to nen=ED smd nebo tam m=E1 zn=E1m=E9 .= =2E. >=20 > Cipis >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >=20 >=20 > A proc delate stejnou vec dvakrat?? vzdit Clocka ma tistaky na Tx > pripravene k uvolneni > jen se jeste neseslo dost prostredku, aby se mu zaplatil vyvoj...... > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: jakub.michnik@centrum.cz > > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > > CC: > > Datum: 14.07.2005 18:25 > > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > kolik to bude stat? ... a kdyz se nezeptam ja, zepta se nekdo jiny. > budou > > ty tistaky zverejnene? :) > > > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > > > podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si > nechal > > > navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy co = pak > :D > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM > > > Subject: [Ronja] problem > > > > >> zdravim :) > > >> mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu > stalo, > > >> > > >> Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak= >> > > neprojde ani packet , > > >> prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer t= ak >> > > TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. > > >> Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??= ? > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Ronja mailing list > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 From rasken at centrum.cz Fri Jul 15 09:06:42 2005 From: rasken at centrum.cz (rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Fri Jul 15 09:06:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <200507151006.30140@centrum.cz> Pokud nejsou uvolneny od autora tezko ti je muze nekdo prodat ;-) Rasken ______________________________________________________________ > Od: srnkap@extranetplus.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 15.07.2005 08:10 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > no jo pripravene , ja jsem se tady ptal jestli je nekdo schopny je pr= odat > a nic, taky bych radsi mel pcb primo od nej ale rad bych to v dohledn= e > dobe a ne za x let :(( >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >=20 >=20 > A proc delate stejnou vec dvakrat?? vzdit Clocka ma tistaky na Tx > pripravene k uvolneni > jen se jeste neseslo dost prostredku, aby se mu zaplatil vyvoj...... > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: jakub.michnik@centrum.cz > > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > > CC: > > Datum: 14.07.2005 18:25 > > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > kolik to bude stat? ... a kdyz se nezeptam ja, zepta se nekdo jiny. > budou > > ty tistaky zverejnene? :) > > > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > > > podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si > nechal > > > navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy co = pak > :D > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM > > > Subject: [Ronja] problem > > > > >> zdravim :) > > >> mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu > stalo, > > >> > > >> Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak= >> > > neprojde ani packet , > > >> prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer t= ak >> > > TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. > > >> Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??= ? > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Ronja mailing list > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Jul 15 12:10:16 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Jul 15 12:11:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz><004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> smd se osazuje mnohem snadneji nez klasika Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel Srnka" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem no skutecne to nebude SMD a to uz jenom z toho duvodu ze si SMD sam neosadim.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem no třeba kvůli tomu, že to není smd nebo tam má známé ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem A proc delate stejnou vec dvakrat?? vzdit Clocka ma tistaky na Tx pripravene k uvolneni jen se jeste neseslo dost prostredku, aby se mu zaplatil vyvoj...... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: jakub.michnik@centrum.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: 14.07.2005 18:25 > Předmět: Re: [Ronja] problem > > kolik to bude stat? ... a kdyz se nezeptam ja, zepta se nekdo jiny. budou > ty tistaky zverejnene? :) > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > > podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si nechal > > navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy co pak :D > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] problem > > > >> zdravim :) > >> mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu stalo, > >> > >> Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak >> > neprojde ani packet , > >> prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer tak >> > TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. > >> Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jojo at matfyz.cz Fri Jul 15 12:21:59 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Fri Jul 15 12:22:02 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <20050714073008.GA11780@kestrel> <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20050715112159.GA25253@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > > To je RG58. Na eth se pouziva. Jestli z toho byl koaovej ethernet, tak > > je to na Ronju zcela optimalni. > > zcela optim?ln?? a nem? tam b?t 75 Ohm koax? Hmm... tak ako to je? Moze sa pouzit ten RG58? Nemalo by sa to pripisat do manualu, ze to je zcela optimalni? -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Fri Jul 15 14:03:05 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jul 15 14:06:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <20050715130305.GB30341@kestrel> On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:18:34AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > prave proto me to zarazilo ze je predepsany 75ohm a ten rg58 co jsem mel > puvodne jsem pro jistotu vyhodil... No Ronja je delana na 50-93 ohmu (odrazi se to tam jen nepatrne, je to terminovany korektne na obou koncich). CL< From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Jul 15 14:06:09 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Jul 15 14:06:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery Message-ID: <200507151506.14706@centrum.cz> Meri nosny kmitocet 1/66MHz. Martin ______________________________________________________________ > Od: jakub.michnik@centrum.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: 14.07.2005 17:11 > Předmět: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery > > jak to vlastne ta sitovka kontroluje? meri jesi proteka proud? nebo jak? > > vikr napsal(a): > > Jakub Michník napsal(a): > > >> pri prohozenych zilach hlasi XP ze je pripojeni aktivni? > >> > >> vikr@seznam.cz napsal(a): > >> > >>> > >>> < ------------ Puvodni zprava ------------ > >>> < Od: Jakub Michník > >>> < Predmet: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery > >>> < Datum: 14.7.2005 16:09:16 > >>> < ---------------------------------------- > >>> < kabel nevadi, promer vsechny odpory, zkontroluj IO, twister chodi > >>> fakt < skoro dycky. mi jednou se stalo ze ledky neblikaly a vymenil > >>> sem 22p < kondiky za 33p a uz to jelo. ted sem udelal dalsi twistry > >>> a jedou s 22p < v pohode. nevim cim to bylo, ale fakt to delalo to u > >>> obou twistru. > >>> < < Rudolf Hruby napsal(a): > >>> < > Ne, nedovolene nahrady jsem nepouzil.. Kabel k PC mam sice asi > >>> 2m, ale to snad > >>> < nevadi, nebo ano? Spoje jsem zacal kontrolovat a zatim vse v >>> > poradku, ale je > >>> < jich tam opravdu hodne :) Nejaky tip jaky obvod nebo jina >>> > soucastka by mohla byt > >>> < spatna? > >>> > >>> poradne se podivej jestli tam mas dobre nakrimpovany utp-ko ,mi uz se > >>> podarilo prohodit dve zily. hehe > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Ronja mailing list > >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> --- > >> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. > >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 > >> Testovano: 14.7.2005 17:03:16 > >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > >> http://www.avast.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ano hlasi, protoze kontroluje pouze dve zily , ty dalsi dve kotroluje > > protejsi strana takze zalezi ktere by prohodil ;) > > > > --- > > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > > Virova databaze (VPS): 0528-4, 14.07.2005 > > Testovano: 14.7.2005 17:08:40 > > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- další část --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050715/9a88b77b/attachment.htm From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Fri Jul 15 14:50:48 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Fri Jul 15 14:50:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <200507151006.30140@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <00b101c58944$34961680$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> ja sem myslel treba autora no ,, tak nic :))) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem Pokud nejsou uvolneny od autora tezko ti je muze nekdo prodat ;-) Rasken ______________________________________________________________ > Od: srnkap@extranetplus.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: 15.07.2005 08:10 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > no jo pripravene , ja jsem se tady ptal jestli je nekdo schopny je prod= at > a nic, taky bych radsi mel pcb primo od nej ale rad bych to v dohledne > dobe a ne za x let :(( > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > A proc delate stejnou vec dvakrat?? vzdit Clocka ma tistaky na Tx > pripravene k uvolneni > jen se jeste neseslo dost prostredku, aby se mu zaplatil vyvoj...... > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: jakub.michnik@centrum.cz > > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > > CC: > > Datum: 14.07.2005 18:25 > > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > kolik to bude stat? ... a kdyz se nezeptam ja, zepta se nekdo jiny. > budou > > ty tistaky zverejnene? :) > > > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > > > podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si > nechal > > > navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy co pa= k > :D > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM > > > Subject: [Ronja] problem > > > > >> zdravim :) > > >> mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu > stalo, > > >> > > >> Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak >= > > > neprojde ani packet , > > >> prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer tak= >> > > TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. > > >> Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??? > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Ronja mailing list > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja=20 From polous at katka.biz Fri Jul 15 20:29:48 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Jul 15 18:29:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz><004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> Message-ID: <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jak komu s jakym vybavenim ... ronja preci neni o specialistech se specialnim vybavenim ze... Cipis wrote: > smd se osazuje mnohem snadneji nez klasika > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel Srnka" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > no skutecne to nebude SMD a to uz jenom z toho duvodu ze si SMD sam > neosadim.. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC2A6sYo9JRD7EbFIRApC2AJ9LJT2+sqFnhbH3XquOrfHe8TZ27gCeO/y+ EmWa/REUtrNHKESgteQCJ2E= =XsWS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Jul 15 18:41:28 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Jul 15 18:41:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz><004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz> Message-ID: <000c01c58964$6f536b40$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> ale kus, staci nejaka pajeci stanice a pinzeta a dobre oci :-) tady je jedna: http://eos.ges.cz/peosc.asp?menu=rejstrik2&misto=4&hledej=MJ3M&trihled=M41A0 0&stav=0&nazev=BRBRBRX3P%E1jec%ED+staniceBRBRBRX4Ostatn%EDBRBRBRX5SL+30&obr= &tpobr=&poznamka= tady druha: http://www.gme.cz/index.php?action=detail&sklcis=730-149&lk=&sk=&pict= Cipis P.S.: a na pajeni nejsem vubec specialista, jen me proste nebavi ohybat nozicky a strkat je do direk, pajet a ucvakavat ... P.P.S.: ale nekupuj tu pajku, ktera sice ma stojanek, ale ma telisko na 230V, nevim proc, ale ani jedna, co se mi dostala pod ruku, nebyla rozumne pouzitelna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > jak komu s jakym vybavenim ... ronja preci neni o specialistech se > specialnim vybavenim ze... > > > Cipis wrote: > > > smd se osazuje mnohem snadneji nez klasika > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel Srnka" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > > > no skutecne to nebude SMD a to uz jenom z toho duvodu ze si SMD sam > > neosadim.. > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC2A6sYo9JRD7EbFIRApC2AJ9LJT2+sqFnhbH3XquOrfHe8TZ27gCeO/y+ > EmWa/REUtrNHKESgteQCJ2E= > =XsWS > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Fri Jul 15 22:16:35 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Jul 15 20:16:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <000c01c58964$6f536b40$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz><004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz> <000c01c58964$6f536b40$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <42D827B3.5090808@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 myslim ze je to zbytecny rozpitvavani tyhle blbosti - ale kdyz uz sme u toho, tak muj nazor a zkusenosti: Pro spoustu lidi je pajeci stanice docela velkej luxus ;-] Mimo lidi zabyvajcich se opravdu casto elektronikou, neznam nikoho kdo by ji mel doma a spousta lidi ji ani nezna)... tim nerikam ze ji nemam (mam ERSP 50 do sagatu), ale naznacuju, ze jsou i taci jedinci, kteri ronju pajeli pistoli. Coz musis uznat ze u smd zas tak pekne nejde. Podle vseho ronja ma byt projekt i pro takove lidi..... ad SL30 z prvniho odkazu: mel sem ji a dvakrat ji reklamoval (podruhy si nechal vratit penize). Uz bych si ji nekoupil. ad PS: me taky ne ;-) ad PPS: neni co dodat p0l0us - --------------------------------------------------------- Cipis wrote: > ale kus, staci nejaka pajeci stanice a pinzeta a dobre oci :-) tady > je jedna: > http://eos.ges.cz/peosc.asp?menu=rejstrik2&misto=4&hledej=MJ3M&trihled=M41A0 > > 0&stav=0&nazev=BRBRBRX3P%E1jec%ED+staniceBRBRBRX4Ostatn%EDBRBRBRX5SL+30&obr= > &tpobr=&poznamka= tady druha: > http://www.gme.cz/index.php?action=detail&sklcis=730-149&lk=&sk=&pict= > > > Cipis > > P.S.: a na pajeni nejsem vubec specialista, jen me proste nebavi > ohybat nozicky a strkat je do direk, pajet a ucvakavat ... P.P.S.: > ale nekupuj tu pajku, ktera sice ma stojanek, ale ma telisko na > 230V, nevim proc, ale ani jedna, co se mi dostala pod ruku, nebyla > rozumne pouzitelna > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > jak komu s jakym vybavenim ... ronja preci neni o specialistech se > specialnim vybavenim ze... _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC2CezYo9JRD7EbFIRAm8eAJ4n36h4w2sTJ2kBQxjyXxX3ImKPvwCdEN+a 5XW0krrSEZs2Tdg05fKYZnw= =oCoM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Fri Jul 15 22:22:45 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Fri Jul 15 22:22:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz><004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz> Message-ID: <001601c58983$578ce620$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> tak se mi zda ze mi trosku usla pointa, nicmene, zajimalo by me, kolik by nekoho (treba jako me) stalo, dostat se ke kvalitnim plosnakum na ronju trebas od clocka (aby se mu tedy vratily naklady na vyvoj (verim ze to neni pr*** ).Preci jenom kdyz nekdo potrebuje par optospoju a musi volit varianty typu crusader za 39k a vic tak se to celkem prodrazi :)) btw pry uz alphavawe dela 100mbit za 50k vcetne instalace ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > jak komu s jakym vybavenim ... ronja preci neni o specialistech se > specialnim vybavenim ze... > > > Cipis wrote: > >> smd se osazuje mnohem snadneji nez klasika >> >> Cipis >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel Srnka" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >> >> >> no skutecne to nebude SMD a to uz jenom z toho duvodu ze si SMD sam >> neosadim.. >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC2A6sYo9JRD7EbFIRApC2AJ9LJT2+sqFnhbH3XquOrfHe8TZ27gCeO/y+ > EmWa/REUtrNHKESgteQCJ2E= > =XsWS > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz Fri Jul 15 23:38:50 2005 From: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz (dj-bobr) Date: Fri Jul 15 23:39:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <20050715130305.GB30341@kestrel> References: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050715130305.GB30341@kestrel> Message-ID: <42D83AFA.6070503@seznam.cz> Ahoj, co takhle vzit obyc UTP/STP kabel a spojit dva twistpairy paralelne? Kdyz ma jeden 100ohmu, takhle by to melo mit 50ohmu. Zkousel to nekdo? Ted se chystam tahnout tri koaxy - jeden pro Rx, jeden pro Tx a jeden pro zalozni wifi a rad bych kominem tahal jenom jedno UTP (4 draty pro Rx, 4 draty pro Tx) a mozna jeden koax k zalozni wifine (ale na tu se asi vykaslu - bude to jenom 100metrovy spoj). -- dj-bobr > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:18:34AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > >>prave proto me to zarazilo ze je predepsany 75ohm a ten rg58 co jsem mel >>puvodne jsem pro jistotu vyhodil... > > > No Ronja je delana na 50-93 ohmu (odrazi se to tam jen nepatrne, je to > terminovany korektne na obou koncich). > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From krepa at seznam.cz Fri Jul 15 23:53:48 2005 From: krepa at seznam.cz (Pavel Krejci) Date: Fri Jul 15 23:50:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <42D827B3.5090808@katka.biz> References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz><004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz> <000c01c58964$6f536b40$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <42D827B3.5090808@katka.biz> Message-ID: <42D83E7C.6020101@seznam.cz> Kdyz jsem linej nazhavit ERS50 tak pajim trafem s takovym tim tenkym "nekonecnym" okem a celkem bez problemu 1206, 805 taky ale tam uz to chce vic trpelivosti... P.K. Martin Polehla wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > myslim ze je to zbytecny rozpitvavani tyhle blbosti - ale kdyz uz sme > u toho, tak muj nazor a zkusenosti: Pro spoustu lidi je pajeci stanice > docela velkej luxus ;-] Mimo lidi zabyvajcich se opravdu casto > elektronikou, neznam nikoho kdo by ji mel doma a spousta lidi ji ani > nezna)... tim nerikam ze ji nemam (mam ERSP 50 do sagatu), ale > naznacuju, ze jsou i taci jedinci, kteri ronju pajeli pistoli. Coz > musis uznat ze u smd zas tak pekne nejde. Podle vseho ronja ma byt > projekt i pro takove lidi..... > > ad SL30 z prvniho odkazu: mel sem ji a dvakrat ji reklamoval (podruhy > si nechal vratit penize). Uz bych si ji nekoupil. > ad PS: me taky ne ;-) > ad PPS: neni co dodat > > p0l0us > > - --------------------------------------------------------- > Cipis wrote: > > >>ale kus, staci nejaka pajeci stanice a pinzeta a dobre oci :-) tady >>je jedna: >>http://eos.ges.cz/peosc.asp?menu=rejstrik2&misto=4&hledej=MJ3M&trihled=M41A0 >> >>0&stav=0&nazev=BRBRBRX3P%E1jec%ED+staniceBRBRBRX4Ostatn%EDBRBRBRX5SL+30&obr= >>&tpobr=&poznamka= tady druha: >>http://www.gme.cz/index.php?action=detail&sklcis=730-149&lk=&sk=&pict= >> >> >>Cipis >> >>P.S.: a na pajeni nejsem vubec specialista, jen me proste nebavi >>ohybat nozicky a strkat je do direk, pajet a ucvakavat ... P.P.S.: >>ale nekupuj tu pajku, ktera sice ma stojanek, ale ma telisko na >>230V, nevim proc, ale ani jedna, co se mi dostala pod ruku, nebyla >>rozumne pouzitelna >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 9:29 PM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >> >> > > >>jak komu s jakym vybavenim ... ronja preci neni o specialistech se >>specialnim vybavenim ze... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > >>_______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC2CezYo9JRD7EbFIRAm8eAJ4n36h4w2sTJ2kBQxjyXxX3ImKPvwCdEN+a > 5XW0krrSEZs2Tdg05fKYZnw= > =oCoM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Sat Jul 16 07:32:01 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Sat Jul 16 07:31:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <42D83AFA.6070503@seznam.cz> References: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050715130305.GB30341@kestrel> <42D83AFA.6070503@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42D8A9E1.1080007@centrum.cz> KOMINEM????? a cim topite? uhlim nebo drevem? :) dj-bobr napsal(a): > Ahoj, > co takhle vzit obyc UTP/STP kabel a spojit dva twistpairy paralelne? > Kdyz ma jeden 100ohmu, takhle by to melo mit 50ohmu. Zkousel to nekdo? > Ted se chystam tahnout tri koaxy - jeden pro Rx, jeden pro Tx a jeden > pro zalozni wifi a rad bych kominem tahal jenom jedno UTP (4 draty pro > Rx, 4 draty pro Tx) a mozna jeden koax k zalozni wifine (ale na tu se > asi vykaslu - bude to jenom 100metrovy spoj). > > -- > dj-bobr > >> On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:18:34AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >> >>> prave proto me to zarazilo ze je predepsany 75ohm a ten rg58 co jsem >>> mel puvodne jsem pro jistotu vyhodil... >> >> >> >> No Ronja je delana na 50-93 ohmu (odrazi se to tam jen nepatrne, je to >> terminovany korektne na obou koncich). >> >> CL< >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz Sat Jul 16 11:46:06 2005 From: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz (dj-bobr) Date: Sat Jul 16 11:46:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <42D8A9E1.1080007@centrum.cz> References: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050715130305.GB30341@kestrel> <42D83AFA.6070503@seznam.cz> <42D8A9E1.1080007@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42D8E56E.3000701@seznam.cz> Asi to neni primo komin, aspon teda kvuli topeni nic nespalujeme :)) Ja tomu rikam komin, protoze je plnej sazi a stejne jako ve spouste jinych kominu, se jim tahnou kabely z bytu na strechu :) > KOMINEM????? a cim topite? uhlim nebo drevem? :) > > dj-bobr napsal(a): > >> Ahoj, >> co takhle vzit obyc UTP/STP kabel a spojit dva twistpairy paralelne? >> Kdyz ma jeden 100ohmu, takhle by to melo mit 50ohmu. Zkousel to nekdo? >> Ted se chystam tahnout tri koaxy - jeden pro Rx, jeden pro Tx a jeden >> pro zalozni wifi a rad bych kominem tahal jenom jedno UTP (4 draty pro >> Rx, 4 draty pro Tx) a mozna jeden koax k zalozni wifine (ale na tu se >> asi vykaslu - bude to jenom 100metrovy spoj). >> >> -- >> dj-bobr >> >>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:18:34AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >>> >>>> prave proto me to zarazilo ze je predepsany 75ohm a ten rg58 co jsem >>>> mel puvodne jsem pro jistotu vyhodil... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No Ronja je delana na 50-93 ohmu (odrazi se to tam jen nepatrne, je to >>> terminovany korektne na obou koncich). >>> >>> CL< >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz Sat Jul 16 11:47:53 2005 From: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz (dj-bobr) Date: Sat Jul 16 11:48:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] wave division multiplex Message-ID: <42D8E5D9.30605@seznam.cz> [en] How impossible is to use Wave Division Multiplex technology in Ronja? [cz] Jak nemozne je pouziti technologie multiplexingu vlnovych delek v Ronje? From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Jul 16 12:50:36 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Jul 16 12:50:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? References: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><20050715130305.GB30341@kestrel> <42D83AFA.6070503@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <002401c589fc$94c79980$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> mno, delat tam symetrizak na obe strany, to asi nebude to prave orechove dyt muzes pouzit kabel s vice koaxy Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "dj-bobr" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? > Ahoj, > co takhle vzit obyc UTP/STP kabel a spojit dva twistpairy paralelne? > Kdyz ma jeden 100ohmu, takhle by to melo mit 50ohmu. Zkousel to nekdo? > Ted se chystam tahnout tri koaxy - jeden pro Rx, jeden pro Tx a jeden > pro zalozni wifi a rad bych kominem tahal jenom jedno UTP (4 draty pro > Rx, 4 draty pro Tx) a mozna jeden koax k zalozni wifine (ale na tu se > asi vykaslu - bude to jenom 100metrovy spoj). > > -- > dj-bobr > > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:18:34AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > > > >>prave proto me to zarazilo ze je predepsany 75ohm a ten rg58 co jsem mel > >>puvodne jsem pro jistotu vyhodil... > > > > > > No Ronja je delana na 50-93 ohmu (odrazi se to tam jen nepatrne, je to > > terminovany korektne na obou koncich). > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Jul 16 14:19:23 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Jul 16 14:19:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <42D83AFA.6070503@seznam.cz> References: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <20050715130305.GB30341@kestrel> <42D83AFA.6070503@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1121519963.42d9095b54866@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Neni potreba. Funkcni kombinace je dat misto koaxu jeden par UTPcka, s tim ze misto +12 se v RX pripoji na zem a u twisteru se zeme spoji na konektoru. Napajeni se natahne zbylymi pary. Zatim vyzkouseno na 10m. > Ahoj, > co takhle vzit obyc UTP/STP kabel a spojit dva twistpairy paralelne? > Kdyz ma jeden 100ohmu, takhle by to melo mit 50ohmu. Zkousel to nekdo? > Ted se chystam tahnout tri koaxy - jeden pro Rx, jeden pro Tx a jeden > pro zalozni wifi a rad bych kominem tahal jenom jedno UTP (4 draty pro > Rx, 4 draty pro Tx) a mozna jeden koax k zalozni wifine (ale na tu se > asi vykaslu - bude to jenom 100metrovy spoj). > > -- > dj-bobr > > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:18:34AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > > > >>prave proto me to zarazilo ze je predepsany 75ohm a ten rg58 co jsem mel > >>puvodne jsem pro jistotu vyhodil... > > > > > > No Ronja je delana na 50-93 ohmu (odrazi se to tam jen nepatrne, je to > > terminovany korektne na obou koncich). > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz Sat Jul 16 23:25:22 2005 From: djbobr.ronja at seznam.cz (dj-bobr) Date: Sat Jul 16 23:25:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <002401c589fc$94c79980$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><20050715130305.GB30341@kestrel> <42D83AFA.6070503@seznam.cz> <002401c589fc$94c79980$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <42D98952.4030203@seznam.cz> Nojo, uplne jsem zapomnel na symetrizaci... Stejne si myslim, ze by to na par metru chodilo i bez ni - navic komin je pomerne dokonale odstinen od okoli, takze by ani nevadilo chybejici stineni UTPka... V pohode, akorat jsem chtel, aby mi to nekdo kvalifikovane vyvratil a rekl mi, proc to nejde :-) > mno, delat tam symetrizak na obe strany, to asi nebude to prave orechove > dyt muzes pouzit kabel s vice koaxy > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dj-bobr" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? > > > >>Ahoj, >>co takhle vzit obyc UTP/STP kabel a spojit dva twistpairy paralelne? >>Kdyz ma jeden 100ohmu, takhle by to melo mit 50ohmu. Zkousel to nekdo? >>Ted se chystam tahnout tri koaxy - jeden pro Rx, jeden pro Tx a jeden >>pro zalozni wifi a rad bych kominem tahal jenom jedno UTP (4 draty pro >>Rx, 4 draty pro Tx) a mozna jeden koax k zalozni wifine (ale na tu se >>asi vykaslu - bude to jenom 100metrovy spoj). >> >>-- >>dj-bobr >> >> >>>On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:18:34AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: >>> >>> >>>>prave proto me to zarazilo ze je predepsany 75ohm a ten rg58 co jsem mel >>>>puvodne jsem pro jistotu vyhodil... >>> >>> >>>No Ronja je delana na 50-93 ohmu (odrazi se to tam jen nepatrne, je to >>>terminovany korektne na obou koncich). >>> >>>CL< >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sun Jul 17 11:01:54 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sun Jul 17 11:02:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <42D98952.4030203@seznam.cz> References: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><20050715130305.GB30341@kestrel> <42D83AFA.6070503@seznam.cz> <002401c589fc$94c79980$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <42D98952.4030203@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1121594514.42da2c92c2191@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Proc by to neslo. Zrovna dneska predelavam ronju na UTPcka misto koaxu. V novem plosnaku RX co prave dodelavam je UTPcko podporovano adhoc, pri zpetne kompatibilite s koaxem a v twisteru a stavajicim TX je potreba jen pridat par soucastek a pripadne dva odpory vymenit za jine. Navic citlivost RX je o dost lepsi a nejaka mlha na spojich pod 700m tim prestava vadit. Kabel mezi tubusy odpada vubec a tudiz je mozno roury umistit dle libosti. > Nojo, uplne jsem zapomnel na symetrizaci... > Stejne si myslim, ze by to na par metru chodilo i bez ni - navic komin > je pomerne dokonale odstinen od okoli, takze by ani nevadilo chybejici > stineni UTPka... > > V pohode, akorat jsem chtel, aby mi to nekdo kvalifikovane vyvratil a > rekl mi, proc to nejde :-) > > > mno, delat tam symetrizak na obe strany, to asi nebude to prave orechove > > dyt muzes pouzit kabel s vice koaxy > > > > Cipis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "dj-bobr" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? > > > > > > > >>Ahoj, > >>co takhle vzit obyc UTP/STP kabel a spojit dva twistpairy paralelne? > >>Kdyz ma jeden 100ohmu, takhle by to melo mit 50ohmu. Zkousel to nekdo? > >>Ted se chystam tahnout tri koaxy - jeden pro Rx, jeden pro Tx a jeden > >>pro zalozni wifi a rad bych kominem tahal jenom jedno UTP (4 draty pro > >>Rx, 4 draty pro Tx) a mozna jeden koax k zalozni wifine (ale na tu se > >>asi vykaslu - bude to jenom 100metrovy spoj). > >> > >>-- > >>dj-bobr > >> > >> > >>>On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:18:34AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>prave proto me to zarazilo ze je predepsany 75ohm a ten rg58 co jsem > mel > >>>>puvodne jsem pro jistotu vyhodil... > >>> > >>> > >>>No Ronja je delana na 50-93 ohmu (odrazi se to tam jen nepatrne, je to > >>>terminovany korektne na obou koncich). > >>> > >>>CL< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun Jul 17 11:10:05 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun Jul 17 11:10:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? References: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><20050715130305.GB30341@kestrel> <42D83AFA.6070503@seznam.cz><002401c589fc$94c79980$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <42D98952.4030203@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000e01c58ab7$b5daf0c0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> ty mas ocelovy komin? :-) jak psal mnaga, neni problem to predelat na TP, ale v tom pripade bych pouzil STP nebo FTP Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "dj-bobr" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? > Nojo, uplne jsem zapomnel na symetrizaci... > Stejne si myslim, ze by to na par metru chodilo i bez ni - navic komin > je pomerne dokonale odstinen od okoli, takze by ani nevadilo chybejici > stineni UTPka... > > V pohode, akorat jsem chtel, aby mi to nekdo kvalifikovane vyvratil a > rekl mi, proc to nejde :-) > > > mno, delat tam symetrizak na obe strany, to asi nebude to prave orechove > > dyt muzes pouzit kabel s vice koaxy > > > > Cipis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "dj-bobr" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? > > > > > > > >>Ahoj, > >>co takhle vzit obyc UTP/STP kabel a spojit dva twistpairy paralelne? > >>Kdyz ma jeden 100ohmu, takhle by to melo mit 50ohmu. Zkousel to nekdo? > >>Ted se chystam tahnout tri koaxy - jeden pro Rx, jeden pro Tx a jeden > >>pro zalozni wifi a rad bych kominem tahal jenom jedno UTP (4 draty pro > >>Rx, 4 draty pro Tx) a mozna jeden koax k zalozni wifine (ale na tu se > >>asi vykaslu - bude to jenom 100metrovy spoj). > >> > >>-- > >>dj-bobr > >> > >> > >>>On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 08:18:34AM +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>prave proto me to zarazilo ze je predepsany 75ohm a ten rg58 co jsem mel > >>>>puvodne jsem pro jistotu vyhodil... > >>> > >>> > >>>No Ronja je delana na 50-93 ohmu (odrazi se to tam jen nepatrne, je to > >>>terminovany korektne na obou koncich). > >>> > >>>CL< > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sith at wifistar.net Sun Jul 17 14:26:15 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sun Jul 17 12:23:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi rekord? In-Reply-To: <1121594514.42da2c92c2191@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <006f01c5889c$419533a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008f01c58905$07e66a70$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><20050715130305.GB30341@kestrel> <42D83AFA.6070503@seznam.cz> <002401c589fc$94c79980$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <42D98952.4030203@seznam.cz> <1121594514.42da2c92c2191@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42DA5C77.2030907@wifistar.net> Nemel byste nekde popis toho hacku? Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > Proc by to neslo. Zrovna dneska predelavam ronju na UTPcka misto koaxu. > V novem plosnaku RX co prave dodelavam je UTPcko podporovano adhoc, pri zpetne > kompatibilite s koaxem a v twisteru a stavajicim TX je potreba jen pridat par > soucastek a pripadne dva odpory vymenit za jine. Navic citlivost RX je o dost > lepsi a nejaka mlha na spojich pod 700m tim prestava vadit. > Kabel mezi tubusy odpada vubec a tudiz je mozno roury umistit dle libosti. -- Regards, David Sedl??ek WiFiStar.net, o.s. skype: sith_cz From hollari1 at gmx.at Sun Jul 17 23:22:45 2005 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Sun Jul 17 23:22:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Maybe new idea References: <20050717110034.21675gmx1@mx058.gmx.net> Message-ID: <13242.1121638965@www47.gmx.net> Hi Clock ! I know you are a busy man. But maybe you could create a new newsletter or something simillar, where evenyone is informed about everything new about ronja. (Translated into english) this list is interesting, but overflowed with a lot of stuff in cech that i don?t understand. (and deals with not working, but exactly built ronjas ) This is really disapointing for a long time now. :-( I think i will not read it anymore, although i would be a good engeneer that could help you a lot, i think; this was my intension; but i really think this is nothing for me.... reply wanted... Sigi -- GMX DSL = Maximale Leistung zum minimalen Preis! 2000 MB nur 2,99, Flatrate ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Jul 18 14:24:33 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Jul 18 14:24:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Maybe new idea Message-ID: <200507181524.19159@centrum.cz> Czech is world language. You are learning our language. -=RYS=- ______________________________________________________________ > Od: hollari1@gmx.at > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: 18.07.2005 00:23 > Předmět: [Ronja] Maybe new idea > > > Hi Clock ! > > I know you are a busy man. > But maybe you could create a new > newsletter or something simillar, > where evenyone is informed about > everything new about ronja. > (Translated into english) > > this list is interesting, but > overflowed with a lot of > stuff in cech that i don´t understand. > (and deals with not working, but exactly > built ronjas ) > > This is really disapointing for a long > time now. :-( > > I think i will not read it anymore, > although i would be a good engeneer > that could help you a lot, i think; > this was my intension; but i really > think this is nothing for me.... > > reply wanted... > > Sigi > > -- > GMX DSL = Maximale Leistung zum minimalen Preis! > 2000 MB nur 2,99, Flatrate ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- další část --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050718/603fcf2f/attachment.htm From HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz Mon Jul 18 19:53:50 2005 From: HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Rudolf=20Hruby?=) Date: Mon Jul 18 19:53:55 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=5BRonja=5D=20Nefunkcni=20Twistery?= In-Reply-To: <9.12-14774-400580814-1121256630@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <75.88-16275-908684487-1121712830@seznam.cz> Tak twistery uz fungujou. GM mi poslalo misto 12 ohm 1.2k odpory a jeste jsem nasel jednu svoji chyby.. Vsem dekuji za rady.. From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jul 18 22:49:36 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jul 18 22:49:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni Twistery In-Reply-To: <42D6CA78.1000303@seznam.cz> References: <26.31-20293-1298441274-1121343411@seznam.cz> <42D663FA.3080000@centrum.cz> <42D6CA78.1000303@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <200507182349.37385.ladmanj@volny.cz> > ono ne vzdycky koupis soucastky s parametry na nich napsane, nezapomen, > ze vyroba se deli na na soucasky presne pro velkoodberatele(napr > philips,sony, etc.) a zbytek co se nevejde do jimi pozadovane tolerance > jde do GME , GES ,etc. pro nas male kutily ;) To je imho blbost. Soucastky (az na nejake <3% coz muzou byt zmetky), splnuji danou kategorii definovanou presne v datasheetu. Ovsem musite se divat do spravneho datasheetu. Kdyz mate datasheet od National a v ruce svaba od Harise nemuzete se divit, ze se malinko lisi. V nekterych pripadech jsou to i identicke vyrobky, ale spolehat se na to naprosto nelze. Kdyz pouzijete logiku jako logiku a to tak ze spolu nebudete michat bez prizpusobeni nekompatibilni rodiny, tak vam muze byt jedno co vam v gm prodaj a bude vam to vzdycky chodit stejne. Kdyz se ale pokusite (byt uspesne) postavit treba audio zesilovac s MH7404 (tusim neco takovyho jsem nekde v amaru zahlidl, ale zde to uvadim jako nepodlozeny priklad) tak se to nemusi povyst s 74LS04 od philipsu. Jakub From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jul 18 22:54:18 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jul 18 22:54:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz> <004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <200507182354.18446.ladmanj@volny.cz> Osadit rucne smd neni vubec zadny problem. Na hw-news na to radi zobani=20 boruvek, ze jsou dobry na oci, ale ja to zatim ani nepotrebuju a to=20 nepouzivam ani lupu. Jakub On Friday 15 of July 2005 08:17, Pavel Srnka wrote: > no skutecne to nebude SMD a to uz jenom z toho duvodu ze si SMD sam > neosadim.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cipis" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > no t=F8eba kv=F9li tomu, =9Ee to nen=ED smd nebo tam m=E1 zn=E1m=E9 ... > > Cipis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > A proc delate stejnou vec dvakrat?? vzdit Clocka ma tistaky na Tx > pripravene k uvolneni > jen se jeste neseslo dost prostredku, aby se mu zaplatil vyvoj...... > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: jakub.michnik@centrum.cz > > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > > CC: > > Datum: 14.07.2005 18:25 > > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > kolik to bude stat? ... a kdyz se nezeptam ja, zepta se nekdo jiny. bud= ou > > ty tistaky zverejnene? :) > > > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > > > podobny problem , prubehy trosku zkreslene, ze zoufalosti jsem si > > > nechal navrhnout PCB na rx tx u specializovane fy , tak jsem zvedavy = co > > > pak :D > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > > > > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:45 PM > > > Subject: [Ronja] problem > > > > > > > >> zdravim :) > > >> > > >> mam problem a chtel bych poprosit o radu, mozna se uz to nekomu stal= o, > > >> > > >> Kdyz spojim twistry takje vse O.K., jakmile tam dam rx ,tx , tak >> > > > > neprojde ani packet , > > > > >> prubehy na osciloskopu jsou temer totozne jak twister-twistrer tak >> > > > > TX-RX , ale jak rikam neprojde ani packet. > > > > >> Jeste jedna vec ma velky vliv pouziti AM26LS32 misto DS26LS32 ??? > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Ronja mailing list > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Jul 18 23:08:51 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Mon Jul 18 23:08:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <200507182354.18446.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz> <004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <200507182354.18446.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050718220851.GA12951@feanor> On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 11:54:18PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Osadit rucne smd neni vubec zadny problem. Na hw-news na to radi zobani > boruvek, ze jsou dobry na oci, ale ja to zatim ani nepotrebuju a to > nepouzivam ani lupu. Hmm, s ocima nemam problem, ale nedovedu si predstavit, ze bych osazoval SMD s myma tresoucima se rukama. Mam obavy, ze buch si hrotem mikropajky rozhodil soucastky. Lidi, to to po sobe nemuzete mazat? : > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Ronja mailing list > > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jul 18 23:19:51 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jul 18 23:19:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz> References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz> <002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz> Message-ID: <200507190019.52082.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Friday 15 of July 2005 21:29, Martin Polehla wrote: > jak komu s jakym vybavenim ... ronja preci neni o specialistech se > specialnim vybavenim ze... A to je prave chyba, misto aby se spolecnymi silami vyvinulo technicky=20 dokonale a krasne zarizeni tak se furt jen odpovida na dotazy lidi kteri=20 nikdy nedrzeli pajku v ruce. A vysledek je sice funkcni, ale nikoliv=20 optimalni (hlavne pracny na vyrobu, nepohodlny na zamerovani a znacne=20 osklivy). Nase sily se tristi, protoze si kazdy dela svoje a o vysledky se prilis=20 nedeli. Ja osobne si myslim, ze by na webu ronji mel byt mnohem spise detailni popi= s=20 funkce, aby clovek usetril cas na studiu schemat a mohl rovnou aplikovat=20 svoje napady na vylepseni, nez navod jak pajet, to jsou informace co jsem s= e=20 ucil z elektrotechnickych knizek pro deti, navic mi tam rekli jak funguje=20 tranzistor a proc nesmim otocit nohy elektrolytickymu kondenzatoru a ja se = tu=20 ted nemusim ptat jako trubka. X krat jsem na takovy, soukrome zaslany dotaz, odpovidal a protoze jsem=20 odpovidal nerad, odpovedel jsem vecne, strucne a nebyl jsem rozhodne mily.= =20 A kdyz se dotycny ohani tim ze jednou se s tim proste zacina, odnesl si ode= =20 mne odpoved ze ma zacinat na blikaci, r=F9znejch p=EDsk=E1tk=E1ch a stavebn= ic=EDch.=20 Ze za=E8=E1tku je jen d=E1t do kupy a m=EDt radost z toho =9Ee to n=ECco d= =ECl=E1, pak u=9E se=20 st=EDm nespokojovat a za=E8=EDt zkoumat co to ud=ECl=E1, kdyby se tohle ud= =EClalo tro=9Aku=20 jinak a vylep=9Aovat a vylep=9Aovat a pak za=E8=EDt vymej=9Alet vlastn=ED o= d z=E1kladu. Bl=E9smrt ve spolek. Jakub PS: Omluvte ze stridam psani bez a s diakritikou, vim o tom, jen jsem liny = to=20 opravovat. Proste jsem zvykly psat s a kdyz se rozepisu prestanu se na to=20 soustredit. From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Jul 18 23:40:39 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Mon Jul 18 23:40:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <200507190019.52082.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz> <002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz> <200507190019.52082.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050718224039.GB13424@feanor> On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:19:51AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > A to je prave chyba, misto aby se spolecnymi silami vyvinulo technicky > dokonale a krasne zarizeni tak se furt jen odpovida na dotazy lidi kteri > nikdy nedrzeli pajku v ruce. Hmm, mozna rozdelit mailing list na ronja-support, ronja-devel a ronja-announce? -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050719/3d1fc077/attachment.bin From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jul 18 23:50:01 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jul 18 23:50:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] wave division multiplex In-Reply-To: <42D8E5D9.30605@seznam.cz> References: <42D8E5D9.30605@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <200507190050.02109.ladmanj@volny.cz> > [cz] Jak nemozne je pouziti technologie multiplexingu vlnovych delek v > Ronje? Na 10Mbit/s neni co multiplexovat, leda by se jednim spojem chtelo prenaset vic siti. Na 100Mbit/s uz je problem ze data nemohou prochazet v nezmenene forme, ale musi se nejak (s pouzitim sofistikovaneho kontroleru) signal demodulovat, data paralelizovat, bufferovat, serializovat na jine baudrate, pripadne modulovat a odvysilat. Zatimco twister ze signalu pouze odstrani link pulsy a misto nich doda idle signal a naopak. Pro ty co tomu nerozumi, pri prevodu na clovekohodiny, odhaduji ze pojitko s bufferovanim signalu by bylo cca 15-20x narocnejsi. Ovsem je to jen odhad. Jakub From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jul 18 23:50:54 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jul 18 23:50:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <20050718224039.GB13424@feanor> References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz> <200507190019.52082.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050718224039.GB13424@feanor> Message-ID: <200507190050.54871.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Tuesday 19 of July 2005 00:40, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:19:51AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > A to je prave chyba, misto aby se spolecnymi silami vyvinulo technicky > > dokonale a krasne zarizeni tak se furt jen odpovida na dotazy lidi kteri > > nikdy nedrzeli pajku v ruce. > > Hmm, mozna rozdelit mailing list na ronja-support, ronja-devel a > ronja-announce? Jsem pro From daniel at seriousworks.net Tue Jul 19 00:23:59 2005 From: daniel at seriousworks.net (Daniel Cabezas) Date: Tue Jul 19 00:22:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Someone selling ronja units? Message-ID: <20050718223934.M75809@seriousworks.net> Greetings, I am quite interested in ronja, but I ?m completely useless in soldering and electronics, is there anyone selling a pair of ronja units for taking them a look ? Thanks, -- Daniel . ------- daniel_at_seriousworks.net /Cabezas SeriousWorks Solutions, SCP ______/ Barcelona, Spain www: http://www.seriousworks.net From quique at valenciawireless.org Tue Jul 19 01:20:02 2005 From: quique at valenciawireless.org (Quique) Date: Tue Jul 19 01:13:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Someone selling ronja units? In-Reply-To: <20050718223934.M75809@seriousworks.net> References: <20050718223934.M75809@seriousworks.net> Message-ID: <42DC4732.7070806@valenciawireless.org> Anda, ya decia yo que me sonaba ese nombre, tu eres de BarcelonaWireless... xD Yo estoy tratando de fabricarme un equipo ronja, como tampoco soy un experto soldando, estoy viendo a ver si me pueden fabricar la version en PCB, si quieres te puedo mantener informado al respecto. Seria en plan artesano, asi que no creo que salga barato. ?Crees que hay bastante interes en Espa?a como para formar una comunidad ronja en castellano? A mi ya se me ha pasado por mente un par de veces... Im trying to make a ronja set, and Im also useless ins soldering, so Im searching for someone who can make me a PCB version. It will be a little batch, so the price will be high. ?Do you think there is enough interest in Spain to make a spanish ronja community? The translation is not 100% literal, but enough to understand the main idea, sorry for the non spanish-speakers ;) Quique Daniel Cabezas escribi?: > Greetings, > > I am quite interested in ronja, but I ?m completely useless in soldering and > electronics, is there anyone selling a pair of ronja units for taking them a > look ? > > Thanks, > From polous at katka.biz Tue Jul 19 16:15:24 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Jul 19 14:14:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <001601c58983$578ce620$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz><004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz> <001601c58983$578ce620$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <42DD190C.9040000@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tistaky se uvolni az se clockovy zaplatej, coz bude asi docela dlouho trvat, pac mu prispevky moc nepribejvaj :'(( http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php cena pak bude takova za kolik ty tistaky nekdo vyrobi, podobne jako u twisteru. Firme ktera ma zajem o vic nez jeden dva spoje by se asi vyplatilo zaplatit clockovy tistaky a nekoho kdo to postavi a naistaluje, ale zadnou takovou firmu neznam. p0l0us - -------- Pavel Srnka wrote: > tak se mi zda ze mi trosku usla pointa, nicmene, zajimalo by me, > kolik by nekoho (treba jako me) stalo, dostat se ke kvalitnim > plosnakum na ronju trebas od clocka (aby se mu tedy vratily naklady > na vyvoj (verim ze to neni pr*** )..... > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC3RkMYo9JRD7EbFIRAuF9AKCFFEiSHID9+1Sluwp7GGtU/dIY5wCgluuT 91kf6sCIGIDdVA6ncAnCCsE= =ubqo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Jul 19 14:44:13 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=9Aek?=) Date: Tue Jul 19 14:44:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz><004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz><001601c58983$578ce620$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42DD190C.9040000@katka.biz> Message-ID: <000701c58c67$f2f611e0$0103450a@thechosen> no nepribejvaj, asi se nikomu nehcce davat prachy za docela easy plosnak Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Tistaky se uvolni az se clockovy zaplatej, coz bude asi docela dlouho > trvat, pac mu prispevky moc nepribejvaj :'(( > > http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php > > cena pak bude takova za kolik ty tistaky nekdo vyrobi, podobne jako u > twisteru. > > Firme ktera ma zajem o vic nez jeden dva spoje by se asi vyplatilo > zaplatit clockovy tistaky a nekoho kdo to postavi a naistaluje, ale > zadnou takovou firmu neznam. > > p0l0us > > - -------- > > Pavel Srnka wrote: > > > tak se mi zda ze mi trosku usla pointa, nicmene, zajimalo by me, > > kolik by nekoho (treba jako me) stalo, dostat se ke kvalitnim > > plosnakum na ronju trebas od clocka (aby se mu tedy vratily naklady > > na vyvoj (verim ze to neni pr*** )..... > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC3RkMYo9JRD7EbFIRAuF9AKCFFEiSHID9+1Sluwp7GGtU/dIY5wCgluuT > 91kf6sCIGIDdVA6ncAnCCsE= > =ubqo > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From daniel at seriousworks.net Tue Jul 19 14:53:40 2005 From: daniel at seriousworks.net (Daniel Cabezas) Date: Tue Jul 19 14:51:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Someone selling ronja units? In-Reply-To: <42DC4732.7070806@valenciawireless.org> References: <20050718223934.M75809@seriousworks.net> <42DC4732.7070806@valenciawireless.org> Message-ID: <20050719134701.M66727@seriousworks.net> Buenas, De hecho hemos intercambiado algun mail o hemos hablado por irc algua vez, si mal no recuerdo ;) La verdad no s? si hay suficiente inter?s para una lista (creo que por el momento no), aunque podemos mantener temporalmente informacion intercambiada en privado para coordinar traducir partes de la web, lo cual creo que atraeria el inter?s de mas gente a medio plazo. Ya estoy mirando la opci?n de la PCB, gracias. Greets, In fact I think we?ve exchanged some emails, or chatted in irc sometimes, afaict ;) Sincerely, Don?tknow if there?s interest enough to make a ronja spanish list (I think no, at present time), in spite of we can mantain some private email for coordinating the translation of some parts of the ronja site, ?cause I think it would attract the interest of more spanish sepaking ones. I am looking for that PCB option, thanks. -- Daniel . ------- daniel_at_seriousworks.net /Cabezas SeriousWorks Solutions, SCP ______/ Barcelona, Spain www: http://www.seriousworks.net On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:20:02 +0200, Quique wrote > Anda, ya decia yo que me sonaba ese nombre, tu eres de > BarcelonaWireless... xD > Yo estoy tratando de fabricarme un equipo ronja, como tampoco soy un > experto soldando, estoy viendo a ver si me pueden fabricar la > version en PCB, si quieres te puedo mantener informado al respecto. > Seria en plan artesano, asi que no creo que salga barato. ?Crees que > hay bastante interes en Espa?a como para formar una comunidad ronja > en castellano? A mi ya se me ha pasado por mente un par de veces... > > Im trying to make a ronja set, and Im also useless ins soldering, so > Im searching for someone who can make me a PCB version. It will be a > little batch, so the price will be high. ?Do you think there is > enough interest in Spain to make a spanish ronja community? The > translation is not 100% literal, but enough to understand the main > idea, sorry for the non spanish-speakers ;) > > Quique > > Daniel Cabezas escribi?: > > Greetings, > > > > I am quite interested in ronja, but I ?m completely useless in soldering and > > electronics, is there anyone selling a pair of ronja units for taking them a > > look ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Tue Jul 19 15:08:25 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Tue Jul 19 15:08:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz><004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz><001601c58983$578ce620$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42DD190C.9040000@katka.biz> Message-ID: <001401c58c6b$54b2a3f0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> No tak jestli to dobre chapu , tak kdyz pribude nejakejch 10k , tak se uvolni PCB transmitter ? Do toho bych celkem sel za predpokladu ze nekdo zaplati prijmac, nicmene ten zatim neni ani pripraven k vydani :(( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Tistaky se uvolni az se clockovy zaplatej, coz bude asi docela dlouho > trvat, pac mu prispevky moc nepribejvaj :'(( > > http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php > > cena pak bude takova za kolik ty tistaky nekdo vyrobi, podobne jako u > twisteru. > > Firme ktera ma zajem o vic nez jeden dva spoje by se asi vyplatilo > zaplatit clockovy tistaky a nekoho kdo to postavi a naistaluje, ale > zadnou takovou firmu neznam. > > p0l0us > > - -------- > > Pavel Srnka wrote: > >> tak se mi zda ze mi trosku usla pointa, nicmene, zajimalo by me, >> kolik by nekoho (treba jako me) stalo, dostat se ke kvalitnim >> plosnakum na ronju trebas od clocka (aby se mu tedy vratily naklady >> na vyvoj (verim ze to neni pr*** )..... >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC3RkMYo9JRD7EbFIRAuF9AKCFFEiSHID9+1Sluwp7GGtU/dIY5wCgluuT > 91kf6sCIGIDdVA6ncAnCCsE= > =ubqo > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Tue Jul 19 19:13:43 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Jul 19 17:13:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <001401c58c6b$54b2a3f0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <200507141900.16429@centrum.cz><004f01c5889c$1d14b820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <008a01c58904$edb14760$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><002301c5892d$c7be0560$3701a8c0@pwech01> <42D80EAC.4070909@katka.biz><001601c58983$578ce620$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42DD190C.9040000@katka.biz> <001401c58c6b$54b2a3f0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <42DD42D7.4020209@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ano presne tak to je, jde o to zaplatit vyvoj... jesli by do toho sel nekdo s tebou skus na czfree.net foru. Casem se jiste nekdo najde.... p0l0us Pavel Srnka wrote: > No tak jestli to dobre chapu , tak kdyz pribude nejakejch 10k , tak > se uvolni PCB transmitter ? Do toho bych celkem sel za predpokladu > ze nekdo zaplati prijmac, nicmene ten zatim neni ani pripraven k > vydani :(( > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > Tistaky se uvolni az se clockovy zaplatej, coz bude asi docela > dlouho trvat, pac mu prispevky moc nepribejvaj :'(( > > http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php > > cena pak bude takova za kolik ty tistaky nekdo vyrobi, podobne jako > u twisteru. > > Firme ktera ma zajem o vic nez jeden dva spoje by se asi vyplatilo > zaplatit clockovy tistaky a nekoho kdo to postavi a naistaluje, ale > zadnou takovou firmu neznam. > > p0l0us -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC3ULWYo9JRD7EbFIRAg8hAJ4uIkZzT6cR/tq5n+C9edK+Eg290ACfWacG Y8OzhdmMVWRFdG6GTSCX5DY= =QEOq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vikr at seznam.cz Tue Jul 19 21:51:42 2005 From: vikr at seznam.cz (vikr) Date: Tue Jul 19 21:51:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <42DD67DE.6030703@seznam.cz> jak tak sleduju tak muj puvodni dotaz se zvrhnul v uplne nesmyslnou debatu ktera nema ani hlavu ani patu. nechapu co tady porad resite , je uplne jedno jestli tech par odporu a kondenzatoru visi ve vzduchu, nebo lezi na tistaku. na tistaku je to sice preciznejsi prace , nicmene na vdusne montazi se teprv pozna zrucnost cloveka. TAKZE ZADAM VSECHNY , ABY SI NASLI JINE TEMA K DEBATE!!!!!! MELETE PORAD DOKOLA O TOM SAMYM ,!!!!! JAK GRAMOFON SE STAROU DESKOU!!!!!!!, ZAMYSLETE SE NAD SEBOU,,PROBOHA,,!!!!!!!! --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0529-0, 18.07.2005 Testovano: 19.7.2005 22:51:42 avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Wed Jul 20 06:20:50 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Wed Jul 20 06:22:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <42DD67DE.6030703@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c58cea$cb084580$3701a8c0@pwech01> se nepototo .... jestli mas cas zadarmo, prosim, jiste nam milerad par vzdusnych konstrukci zadarmo vyrobis dekujeme! Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "vikr" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > jak tak sleduju tak muj puvodni dotaz se zvrhnul v uplne nesmyslnou > debatu ktera nema ani hlavu ani patu. > nechapu co tady porad resite , je uplne jedno jestli tech par odporu a > kondenzatoru visi ve vzduchu, nebo lezi na tistaku. > na tistaku je to sice preciznejsi prace , nicmene na vdusne montazi se > teprv pozna zrucnost cloveka. > TAKZE ZADAM VSECHNY , ABY SI NASLI JINE TEMA K DEBATE!!!!!! > MELETE PORAD DOKOLA O TOM SAMYM ,!!!!! JAK GRAMOFON SE STAROU > DESKOU!!!!!!!, ZAMYSLETE SE NAD SEBOU,,PROBOHA,,!!!!!!!! > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0529-0, 18.07.2005 > Testovano: 19.7.2005 22:51:42 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jul 20 08:19:42 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Jul 20 08:19:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <000f01c58cea$cb084580$3701a8c0@pwech01> References: <42DD67DE.6030703@seznam.cz> <000f01c58cea$cb084580$3701a8c0@pwech01> Message-ID: <1121843982.42ddfb0e9021d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Co se tyce plosnaku na RX, tak diky klukum z HKfree.net bude moji malickosti uvolnena finalni verze behem pristiho mesice. Je to SMD, pasne do krabicky AH102 jako ta od Skontorpa, ale je kvalitativne nekde uplne jinde. Prumerne zrucna opice dokaze jednu krabicku smontovat a ozivit behem dvou hodin a uspesnost u testovaci 30ks serie byla 100procentni. Takze uz nechte planych tlachu. Petr > se nepototo .... > jestli mas cas zadarmo, prosim, jiste nam milerad par vzdusnych konstrukci > zadarmo vyrobis > dekujeme! > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vikr" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > jak tak sleduju tak muj puvodni dotaz se zvrhnul v uplne nesmyslnou > > debatu ktera nema ani hlavu ani patu. > > nechapu co tady porad resite , je uplne jedno jestli tech par odporu a > > kondenzatoru visi ve vzduchu, nebo lezi na tistaku. > > na tistaku je to sice preciznejsi prace , nicmene na vdusne montazi se > > teprv pozna zrucnost cloveka. > > TAKZE ZADAM VSECHNY , ABY SI NASLI JINE TEMA K DEBATE!!!!!! > > MELETE PORAD DOKOLA O TOM SAMYM ,!!!!! JAK GRAMOFON SE STAROU > > DESKOU!!!!!!!, ZAMYSLETE SE NAD SEBOU,,PROBOHA,,!!!!!!!! > > From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Wed Jul 20 08:22:44 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Wed Jul 20 08:22:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <42DD67DE.6030703@seznam.cz><000f01c58cea$cb084580$3701a8c0@pwech01> <1121843982.42ddfb0e9021d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <000601c58cfb$d26b1440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> ale opicce je to prd platny , kdyz potrebuje funkcni spoje a nebude min infra vysilace :(( ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem Co se tyce plosnaku na RX, tak diky klukum z HKfree.net bude moji malickosti uvolnena finalni verze behem pristiho mesice. Je to SMD, pasne do krabicky AH102 jako ta od Skontorpa, ale je kvalitativne nekde uplne jinde. Prumerne zrucna opice dokaze jednu krabicku smontovat a ozivit behem dvou hodin a uspesnost u testovaci 30ks serie byla 100procentni. Takze uz nechte planych tlachu. Petr > se nepototo .... > jestli mas cas zadarmo, prosim, jiste nam milerad par vzdusnych konstrukci > zadarmo vyrobis > dekujeme! > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vikr" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > jak tak sleduju tak muj puvodni dotaz se zvrhnul v uplne nesmyslnou > > debatu ktera nema ani hlavu ani patu. > > nechapu co tady porad resite , je uplne jedno jestli tech par odporu a > > kondenzatoru visi ve vzduchu, nebo lezi na tistaku. > > na tistaku je to sice preciznejsi prace , nicmene na vdusne montazi se > > teprv pozna zrucnost cloveka. > > TAKZE ZADAM VSECHNY , ABY SI NASLI JINE TEMA K DEBATE!!!!!! > > MELETE PORAD DOKOLA O TOM SAMYM ,!!!!! JAK GRAMOFON SE STAROU > > DESKOU!!!!!!!, ZAMYSLETE SE NAD SEBOU,,PROBOHA,,!!!!!!!! > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jul 20 11:08:47 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Jul 20 11:09:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <42DD67DE.6030703@seznam.cz><000f01c58cea$cb084580$3701a8c0@pwech01><1121843982.42ddfb0e9021d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <000601c58cfb$d26b1440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <001101c58d13$055e0530$0103450a@thechosen> vysilac v hnizde se da udelat za hodinu mozna min. vcera sem zacal delat 8 vysilacu najednou a mozna jak za 3 hodiny jsem mel asi 80% hotovo. rx je na dyl. btw neni tu nekdo komu rebyvaji dva postavene twistery? dva mi chybi a pajet se mi to uz nechce. mam toho plne zuby. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel Srnka" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > ale opicce je to prd platny , kdyz potrebuje funkcni spoje a nebude min > infra vysilace :(( > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > Co se tyce plosnaku na RX, tak diky klukum z HKfree.net bude moji malickosti > uvolnena finalni verze behem pristiho mesice. > Je to SMD, pasne do krabicky AH102 jako ta od Skontorpa, ale je kvalitativne > nekde uplne jinde. > Prumerne zrucna opice dokaze jednu krabicku smontovat a ozivit behem dvou > hodin > a uspesnost u testovaci 30ks serie byla 100procentni. > Takze uz nechte planych tlachu. > > Petr > > > se nepototo .... > > jestli mas cas zadarmo, prosim, jiste nam milerad par vzdusnych konstrukci > > zadarmo vyrobis > > dekujeme! > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "vikr" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > > > > jak tak sleduju tak muj puvodni dotaz se zvrhnul v uplne nesmyslnou > > > debatu ktera nema ani hlavu ani patu. > > > nechapu co tady porad resite , je uplne jedno jestli tech par odporu a > > > kondenzatoru visi ve vzduchu, nebo lezi na tistaku. > > > na tistaku je to sice preciznejsi prace , nicmene na vdusne montazi se > > > teprv pozna zrucnost cloveka. > > > TAKZE ZADAM VSECHNY , ABY SI NASLI JINE TEMA K DEBATE!!!!!! > > > MELETE PORAD DOKOLA O TOM SAMYM ,!!!!! JAK GRAMOFON SE STAROU > > > DESKOU!!!!!!!, ZAMYSLETE SE NAD SEBOU,,PROBOHA,,!!!!!!!! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Wed Jul 20 11:22:50 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Wed Jul 20 11:22:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <42DD67DE.6030703@seznam.cz><000f01c58cea$cb084580$3701a8c0@pwech01><1121843982.42ddfb0e9021d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><000601c58cfb$d26b1440$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <001101c58d13$055e0530$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <001601c58d14$fb5c7510$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> ja nerikam , u rx hnizdem postavim za 2-3 hodiny, problem je ze at se snazim jak chci kontroluju a premeruju tak mi to stejne nechodi a stavel jsem to cely uz asi trikraz s novejma soucastkama , proto se snazim sehnat kvalitni plosnaky alespon jako twister , ten mam na PCB a funguji mi oba , akorat jsou mi k nicemu bez toho zbytku :( No snad az se ve skole dostanu na osciloskop tak na neco prijdu, ale do ty doby uz bych uz stejne chtel mit postavino plosnakama....jak uz tady bylo psano , tohle jsou asi reci o nicem, proste si kazdej jede na svym a ja to nikomu neberu, jen jsem myslel ze by mohl mit nekdo zajem dat za nejakou tu kc rx i tx k dispozici , ale tak nic :/ HOWGH ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malusek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > vysilac v hnizde se da udelat za hodinu mozna min. vcera sem zacal delat 8 > vysilacu najednou a mozna jak za 3 hodiny jsem mel asi 80% hotovo. rx je > na > dyl. > > btw neni tu nekdo komu rebyvaji dva postavene twistery? dva mi chybi a > pajet > se mi to uz nechce. mam toho plne zuby. > > Glo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pavel Srnka" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > >> ale opicce je to prd platny , kdyz potrebuje funkcni spoje a nebude min >> infra vysilace :(( >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >> >> >> Co se tyce plosnaku na RX, tak diky klukum z HKfree.net bude moji > malickosti >> uvolnena finalni verze behem pristiho mesice. >> Je to SMD, pasne do krabicky AH102 jako ta od Skontorpa, ale je > kvalitativne >> nekde uplne jinde. >> Prumerne zrucna opice dokaze jednu krabicku smontovat a ozivit behem dvou >> hodin >> a uspesnost u testovaci 30ks serie byla 100procentni. >> Takze uz nechte planych tlachu. >> >> Petr >> >> > se nepototo .... >> > jestli mas cas zadarmo, prosim, jiste nam milerad par vzdusnych > konstrukci >> > zadarmo vyrobis >> > dekujeme! >> > >> > Cipis >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "vikr" >> > To: "Twibright Ronja" >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >> > >> > >> > > jak tak sleduju tak muj puvodni dotaz se zvrhnul v uplne nesmyslnou >> > > debatu ktera nema ani hlavu ani patu. >> > > nechapu co tady porad resite , je uplne jedno jestli tech par odporu > a >> > > kondenzatoru visi ve vzduchu, nebo lezi na tistaku. >> > > na tistaku je to sice preciznejsi prace , nicmene na vdusne montazi >> > > se >> > > teprv pozna zrucnost cloveka. >> > > TAKZE ZADAM VSECHNY , ABY SI NASLI JINE TEMA K DEBATE!!!!!! >> > > MELETE PORAD DOKOLA O TOM SAMYM ,!!!!! JAK GRAMOFON SE STAROU >> > > DESKOU!!!!!!!, ZAMYSLETE SE NAD SEBOU,,PROBOHA,,!!!!!!!! >> > > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From rasken at centrum.cz Thu Jul 21 10:35:09 2005 From: rasken at centrum.cz (rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Jul 21 10:35:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <200507211135.1432@centrum.cz> Tak to zkus udelat podle miho osazovaku. Jak tak koukam na ty vase fotky "vrabcich hnizd" tak ten nazev u nekter= e opravdu presne vystihuje jejich vyrobek... Tady mas osazovak na Rx modul : http://sweb.cz/RPelka/fotky/Rx1new_a.JPG Rasken ______________________________________________________________ > Od: srnkap@extranetplus.cz > Komu: "Michal Malusek" , "Twibright Ronja" > CC:=20 > Datum: 20.07.2005 12:23 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > ja nerikam , u rx hnizdem postavim za 2-3 hodiny, problem je ze at se > snazim jak chci kontroluju a premeruju tak mi to stejne nechodi a sta= vel > jsem to cely uz asi trikraz s novejma soucastkama , proto se snazim s= ehnat > kvalitni plosnaky alespon jako twister , ten mam na PCB a funguji mi = oba , > akorat jsou mi k nicemu bez toho zbytku :( > No snad az se ve skole dostanu na osciloskop tak na neco prijdu, ale = do ty > doby uz bych uz stejne chtel mit postavino plosnakama....jak uz tady = bylo > psano , tohle jsou asi reci o nicem, proste si kazdej jede na svym a = ja to > nikomu neberu, jen jsem myslel ze by mohl mit nekdo zajem dat za neja= kou tu > kc rx i tx k dispozici , ale tak nic :/ >=20 > HOWGH ! >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malusek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >=20 >=20 > > vysilac v hnizde se da udelat za hodinu mozna min. vcera sem zacal = delat > 8 > > vysilacu najednou a mozna jak za 3 hodiny jsem mel asi 80% hotovo. = rx je > > na > > dyl. > > > > btw neni tu nekdo komu rebyvaji dva postavene twistery? dva mi chyb= i a > > pajet > > se mi to uz nechce. mam toho plne zuby. > > > > Glo > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pavel Srnka" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > > >> ale opicce je to prd platny , kdyz potrebuje funkcni spoje a nebud= e min > >> infra vysilace :(( > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: > >> To: "Twibright Ronja" > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:19 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > >> > >> > >> Co se tyce plosnaku na RX, tak diky klukum z HKfree.net bude moji > > malickosti > >> uvolnena finalni verze behem pristiho mesice. > >> Je to SMD, pasne do krabicky AH102 jako ta od Skontorpa, ale je > > kvalitativne > >> nekde uplne jinde. > >> Prumerne zrucna opice dokaze jednu krabicku smontovat a ozivit beh= em > dvou > >> hodin > >> a uspesnost u testovaci 30ks serie byla 100procentni. > >> Takze uz nechte planych tlachu. > >> > >> Petr > >> > >> > se nepototo .... > >> > jestli mas cas zadarmo, prosim, jiste nam milerad par vzdusnych > > konstrukci > >> > zadarmo vyrobis > >> > dekujeme! > >> > > >> > Cipis > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "vikr" > >> > To: "Twibright Ronja" > >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > >> > > >> > > >> > > jak tak sleduju tak muj puvodni dotaz se zvrhnul v uplne nesmy= slnou > >> > > debatu ktera nema ani hlavu ani patu. > >> > > nechapu co tady porad resite , je uplne jedno jestli tech par > odporu > > a > >> > > kondenzatoru visi ve vzduchu, nebo lezi na tistaku. > >> > > na tistaku je to sice preciznejsi prace , nicmene na vdusne mo= ntazi > >> > > se > >> > > teprv pozna zrucnost cloveka. > >> > > TAKZE ZADAM VSECHNY , ABY SI NASLI JINE TEMA K DEBATE!!!!!! > >> > > MELETE PORAD DOKOLA O TOM SAMYM ,!!!!! JAK GRAMOFON SE STAROU > >> > > DESKOU!!!!!!!, ZAMYSLETE SE NAD SEBOU,,PROBOHA,,!!!!!!!! > >> > > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Jul 21 11:54:26 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Jul 21 11:55:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <200507211135.1432@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c58de2$8fbb4fb0$3701a8c0@pwech01> pekne :-) mnohem lepsi nez tvoje cestina :-p Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem Tak to zkus udelat podle miho osazovaku. Jak tak koukam na ty vase fotky "vrabcich hnizd" tak ten nazev u nektere opravdu presne vystihuje jejich vyrobek... Tady mas osazovak na Rx modul : http://sweb.cz/RPelka/fotky/Rx1new_a.JPG Rasken ______________________________________________________________ > Od: srnkap@extranetplus.cz > Komu: "Michal Malusek" , "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: 20.07.2005 12:23 > Předmět: Re: [Ronja] problem > > ja nerikam , u rx hnizdem postavim za 2-3 hodiny, problem je ze at se > snazim jak chci kontroluju a premeruju tak mi to stejne nechodi a stavel > jsem to cely uz asi trikraz s novejma soucastkama , proto se snazim sehnat > kvalitni plosnaky alespon jako twister , ten mam na PCB a funguji mi oba , > akorat jsou mi k nicemu bez toho zbytku :( > No snad az se ve skole dostanu na osciloskop tak na neco prijdu, ale do ty > doby uz bych uz stejne chtel mit postavino plosnakama....jak uz tady bylo > psano , tohle jsou asi reci o nicem, proste si kazdej jede na svym a ja to > nikomu neberu, jen jsem myslel ze by mohl mit nekdo zajem dat za nejakou tu > kc rx i tx k dispozici , ale tak nic :/ > > HOWGH ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malusek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > vysilac v hnizde se da udelat za hodinu mozna min. vcera sem zacal delat > 8 > > vysilacu najednou a mozna jak za 3 hodiny jsem mel asi 80% hotovo. rx je > > na > > dyl. > > > > btw neni tu nekdo komu rebyvaji dva postavene twistery? dva mi chybi a > > pajet > > se mi to uz nechce. mam toho plne zuby. > > > > Glo > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pavel Srnka" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > > >> ale opicce je to prd platny , kdyz potrebuje funkcni spoje a nebude min > >> infra vysilace :(( > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: > >> To: "Twibright Ronja" > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:19 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > >> > >> > >> Co se tyce plosnaku na RX, tak diky klukum z HKfree.net bude moji > > malickosti > >> uvolnena finalni verze behem pristiho mesice. > >> Je to SMD, pasne do krabicky AH102 jako ta od Skontorpa, ale je > > kvalitativne > >> nekde uplne jinde. > >> Prumerne zrucna opice dokaze jednu krabicku smontovat a ozivit behem > dvou > >> hodin > >> a uspesnost u testovaci 30ks serie byla 100procentni. > >> Takze uz nechte planych tlachu. > >> > >> Petr > >> > >> > se nepototo .... > >> > jestli mas cas zadarmo, prosim, jiste nam milerad par vzdusnych > > konstrukci > >> > zadarmo vyrobis > >> > dekujeme! > >> > > >> > Cipis > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "vikr" > >> > To: "Twibright Ronja" > >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > >> > > >> > > >> > > jak tak sleduju tak muj puvodni dotaz se zvrhnul v uplne nesmyslnou > >> > > debatu ktera nema ani hlavu ani patu. > >> > > nechapu co tady porad resite , je uplne jedno jestli tech par > odporu > > a > >> > > kondenzatoru visi ve vzduchu, nebo lezi na tistaku. > >> > > na tistaku je to sice preciznejsi prace , nicmene na vdusne montazi > >> > > se > >> > > teprv pozna zrucnost cloveka. > >> > > TAKZE ZADAM VSECHNY , ABY SI NASLI JINE TEMA K DEBATE!!!!!! > >> > > MELETE PORAD DOKOLA O TOM SAMYM ,!!!!! JAK GRAMOFON SE STAROU > >> > > DESKOU!!!!!!!, ZAMYSLETE SE NAD SEBOU,,PROBOHA,,!!!!!!!! > >> > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Thu Jul 21 13:53:07 2005 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Thu Jul 21 13:53:52 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB8E7A45@vestex01.vest.corp> To je proste SUPER!!!! dik -- Kosac > -----Original Message----- > From: rasken@centrum.cz [mailto:rasken@centrum.cz] > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:35 AM > To: ronja@lists.pointless.net > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > Tak to zkus udelat podle miho osazovaku. > Jak tak koukam na ty vase fotky "vrabcich hnizd" tak ten > nazev u nektere opravdu presne vystihuje jejich vyrobek... > Tady mas osazovak na Rx modul : > http://sweb.cz/RPelka/fotky/Rx1new_a.JPG > > Rasken > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: srnkap@extranetplus.cz > > Komu: "Michal Malusek" , "Twibright > Ronja" > > CC: > > Datum: 20.07.2005 12:23 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > ja nerikam , u rx hnizdem postavim za 2-3 hodiny, problem > je ze at se > > snazim jak chci kontroluju a premeruju tak mi to stejne > nechodi a stavel > > jsem to cely uz asi trikraz s novejma soucastkama , proto > se snazim sehnat > > kvalitni plosnaky alespon jako twister , ten mam na PCB a > funguji mi oba , > > akorat jsou mi k nicemu bez toho zbytku :( > > No snad az se ve skole dostanu na osciloskop tak na neco > prijdu, ale do ty > > doby uz bych uz stejne chtel mit postavino > plosnakama....jak uz tady bylo > > psano , tohle jsou asi reci o nicem, proste si kazdej jede > na svym a ja to > > nikomu neberu, jen jsem myslel ze by mohl mit nekdo zajem > dat za nejakou tu > > kc rx i tx k dispozici , ale tak nic :/ > > > > HOWGH ! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malusek" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > > > > vysilac v hnizde se da udelat za hodinu mozna min. vcera > sem zacal delat > > 8 > > > vysilacu najednou a mozna jak za 3 hodiny jsem mel asi > 80% hotovo. rx je > > > na > > > dyl. > > > > > > btw neni tu nekdo komu rebyvaji dva postavene twistery? > dva mi chybi a > > > pajet > > > se mi to uz nechce. mam toho plne zuby. > > > > > > Glo > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pavel Srnka" > > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:22 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > > > > > >> ale opicce je to prd platny , kdyz potrebuje funkcni > spoje a nebude min > > >> infra vysilace :(( > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: > > >> To: "Twibright Ronja" > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:19 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > >> > > >> > > >> Co se tyce plosnaku na RX, tak diky klukum z HKfree.net bude moji > > > malickosti > > >> uvolnena finalni verze behem pristiho mesice. > > >> Je to SMD, pasne do krabicky AH102 jako ta od Skontorpa, ale je > > > kvalitativne > > >> nekde uplne jinde. > > >> Prumerne zrucna opice dokaze jednu krabicku smontovat a > ozivit behem > > dvou > > >> hodin > > >> a uspesnost u testovaci 30ks serie byla 100procentni. > > >> Takze uz nechte planych tlachu. > > >> > > >> Petr > > >> > > >> > se nepototo .... > > >> > jestli mas cas zadarmo, prosim, jiste nam milerad par vzdusnych > > > konstrukci > > >> > zadarmo vyrobis > > >> > dekujeme! > > >> > > > >> > Cipis > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "vikr" > > >> > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > jak tak sleduju tak muj puvodni dotaz se zvrhnul v > uplne nesmyslnou > > >> > > debatu ktera nema ani hlavu ani patu. > > >> > > nechapu co tady porad resite , je uplne jedno jestli tech par > > odporu > > > a > > >> > > kondenzatoru visi ve vzduchu, nebo lezi na tistaku. > > >> > > na tistaku je to sice preciznejsi prace , nicmene na > vdusne montazi > > >> > > se > > >> > > teprv pozna zrucnost cloveka. > > >> > > TAKZE ZADAM VSECHNY , ABY SI NASLI JINE TEMA K DEBATE!!!!!! > > >> > > MELETE PORAD DOKOLA O TOM SAMYM ,!!!!! JAK GRAMOFON SE STAROU > > >> > > DESKOU!!!!!!!, ZAMYSLETE SE NAD SEBOU,,PROBOHA,,!!!!!!!! > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From phillskonf at atlas.cz Thu Jul 21 15:05:51 2005 From: phillskonf at atlas.cz (Phill) Date: Thu Jul 21 15:05:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <000f01c58de2$8fbb4fb0$3701a8c0@pwech01> Message-ID: <20050721140551.8AD0058BEEC@mail.karneval.cz> Cool! nemel bys takhle pekne udelany i txko? -Phill > Tak to zkus udelat podle miho osazovaku. > Jak tak koukam na ty vase fotky "vrabcich hnizd" tak ten > nazev u nektere > opravdu presne vystihuje jejich vyrobek... > Tady mas osazovak na Rx modul : > http://sweb.cz/RPelka/fotky/Rx1new_a.JPG > > Rasken From polous at katka.biz Thu Jul 21 18:55:48 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Jul 21 16:55:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <200507211135.1432@centrum.cz> References: <200507211135.1432@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42DFE1A4.8050209@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 je to pekne, nechces to dat na wiky i s ostatnima modulama, ktery mas v takovy podobe ? p0l0us rasken@centrum.cz wrote: > Tak to zkus udelat podle miho osazovaku. Jak tak koukam na ty vase > fotky "vrabcich hnizd" tak ten nazev u nektere opravdu presne > vystihuje jejich vyrobek... Tady mas osazovak na Rx modul : > http://sweb.cz/RPelka/fotky/Rx1new_a.JPG > > Rasken > > ____________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC3+GkYo9JRD7EbFIRAhOPAKCjuwhkElbaCZQPsKj37msMdghiiwCgm3vX GUzZ/xq55i69222bPBypbxk= =Jxx6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rasken at centrum.cz Thu Jul 21 17:21:18 2005 From: rasken at centrum.cz (rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Jul 21 17:22:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <200507211821.8528@centrum.cz> to Cipis: - ty si s tim nedas pokoj ze ;-) mas stesti ze se zname a beru to jen j= ako malinky popichnuti.... doufam ze na tech obrazcich "uz" nic nenajdes :-p to Phill: - a tak kdyz se vam to tak libi tak vam tam dam i to Tx-ko ... http://sweb.cz/RPelka/fotky/Rx_ronja.jpg http://sweb.cz/RPelka/fotky/Tx_ronja.jpg http://sweb.cz/RPelka/fotky/Twistr_ronja.jpg to Clock: Clocku, klidne to muzes pridat na svi stranky at maji "LAMI" podle ceho= osazovat. Stav obrazku zachycujeRx, Tx, verzi k 1.7.2005 ______________________________________________________________ > Od: polous@katka.biz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 21.07.2005 17:55 > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > je to pekne, nechces to dat na wiky i s ostatnima modulama, ktery mas > v takovy podobe ? >=20 > p0l0us >=20 > rasken@centrum.cz wrote: >=20 > > Tak to zkus udelat podle miho osazovaku. Jak tak koukam na ty vase > > fotky "vrabcich hnizd" tak ten nazev u nektere opravdu presne > > vystihuje jejich vyrobek... Tady mas osazovak na Rx modul : > > http://sweb.cz/RPelka/fotky/Rx1new_a.JPG > > > > Rasken > > > > ____________ >=20 >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >=20 > iD8DBQFC3+GkYo9JRD7EbFIRAhOPAKCjuwhkElbaCZQPsKj37msMdghiiwCgm3vX > GUzZ/xq55i69222bPBypbxk=3D > =3DJxx6 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 From supermaster at seznam.cz Sun Jul 24 16:11:19 2005 From: supermaster at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?super=20master?=) Date: Mon Jul 25 10:58:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] nepouzitelne 130mm cocky z trznice pro TX Message-ID: <5670.7387-23227-279447819-1122217879@seznam.cz> ahoj, vcera jsem koupil v prazske trznici 130mm cocky, jedna stala 50kc, ale problem je, ze maji ohniskovou vzdalenost cca 374mm a skutecny pumer je jen 123mm, coz je pouzitelne pro RX, ale v zadnem pripade pro TX. Vysilaci LED HPWT-BD00-F4000 ma vyzarovaci uhel cca 30 stupnu, kdezto ohniskova vzdalenost 374 pri prumeru cocky 123 dava uhel pouze 18 stupnu, coz je zalostne malo, takze by se vyuzila jen cca polovina vyzarene energie. Navic potiz je, ze ta LEDka sviti nejvice v prstenci o uhlu cca 20 stupnu, takze s pouzitim te cocky by se vyuzilo mozna jen 30% energie. Napadlo me proto dat dve tyto cocky za sebe a podstatne tak snizit ohniskovou vzdalenost, ktera by mela byt pro 30 stupnu cca 106mm. Ma nekdo neco proti? Problem bude sestavit TX hlavici tak, aby byly obe cocky presne kolmo k opticke ose, ale to se snad vyresi pouzitim presneho prstence, ktery vlozim mezi obe cocky ( na jejich obvod) a zafixiju tak jejich vzajemnou polohu. Ted uz jen spocitat jejich vzdalenost a udelat to :) From czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz Mon Jul 25 11:06:33 2005 From: czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz (pupik) Date: Mon Jul 25 11:06:52 2005 Subject: [Ronja] nepouzitelne 130mm cocky z trznice pro TX In-Reply-To: <5670.7387-23227-279447819-1122217879@seznam.cz> References: <5670.7387-23227-279447819-1122217879@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <17371707843.20050725120633@paleo.cz> Dobr=FD den. Tohle me uz taky napadlo, urcite to pude, jde o to jen to spravne zpocitat.. Ja to chtel delat upevnenim vsech 3 casti (prvni, druhe cocky i modulu) na 3 zavitove tyce a tim mit moznost presne odladit vzdalenosti jeste pred vlozenim do tubusu... --- sm> ahoj, vcera jsem koupil v prazske trznici 130mm cocky, jedna stala 50= kc, ale problem je, ze maji ohniskovou vzdalenost cca 374mm a skutecny pu= mer je jen 123mm, coz je pouzitelne pro RX, ale v sm> zadnem pripade pro TX. Vysilaci LED HPWT-BD00-F4000 ma vyzarovaci uhe= l cca 30 stupnu, kdezto ohniskova vzdalenost 374 pri prumeru cocky 123 da= va uhel pouze 18 stupnu, coz je zalostne malo, takze sm> by se vyuzila jen cca polovina vyzarene energie. Navic potiz je, ze = ta LEDka sviti nejvice v prstenci o uhlu cca 20 stupnu, takze s pouzitim = te cocky by se vyuzilo mozna jen 30% energie. Napadlo sm> me proto dat dve tyto cocky za sebe a podstatne tak snizit ohniskovou= vzdalenost, ktera by mela byt pro 30 stupnu cca 106mm. Ma nekdo neco pro= ti? Problem bude sestavit TX hlavici tak, aby byly sm> obe cocky presne kolmo k opticke ose, ale to se snad vyresi pouzitim = presneho prstence, ktery vlozim mezi obe cocky ( na jejich obvod) a zafix= iju tak jejich vzajemnou polohu. Ted uz jen spocitat sm> jejich vzdalenost a udelat to :) S=EDti zdar! --- Radovan Moser (pupik) http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) ICQ-ID: 15521245 From sith at wifistar.net Mon Jul 25 13:15:02 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Jul 25 11:12:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] nepouzitelne 130mm cocky z trznice pro TX In-Reply-To: <5670.7387-23227-279447819-1122217879@seznam.cz> References: <5670.7387-23227-279447819-1122217879@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42E4D7C6.40705@wifistar.net> A jak jsi to ohnisko zmeril? super master napsal(a): > ahoj, vcera jsem koupil v prazske trznici 130mm cocky, jedna stala 50kc, ale problem je, ze maji ohniskovou vzdalenost cca 374mm a skutecny pumer je jen 123mm, coz je pouzitelne pro RX, ale v zadnem pripade pro TX. Vysilaci LED HPWT-BD00-F4000 ma vyzarovaci uhel cca 30 stupnu, kdezto ohniskova vzdalenost 374 pri prumeru cocky 123 dava uhel pouze 18 stupnu, coz je zalostne malo, takze by se vyuzila jen cca polovina vyzarene energie. Navic potiz je, ze ta LEDka sviti nejvice v prstenci o uhlu cca 20 stupnu, takze s pouzitim te cocky by se vyuzilo mozna jen 30% energie. Napadlo me proto dat dve tyto cocky za sebe a podstatne tak snizit ohniskovou vzdalenost, ktera by mela byt pro 30 stupnu cca 106mm. Ma nekdo neco proti? Problem bude sestavit TX hlavici tak, aby byly obe cocky presne kolmo k opticke ose, ale to se snad vyresi pouzitim presneho prstence, ktery vlozim mezi obe cocky ( na jejich obvod) a zafixiju tak jejich vzajemnou polohu. Ted uz jen spocitat jejich vzdalenost a > udelat to :) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek WiFiStar.net, o.s. skype: sith_cz From HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz Sun Jul 24 22:00:04 2005 From: HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Rudolf=20Hruby?=) Date: Mon Jul 25 11:27:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni RX Message-ID: <103.120-28483-1216268159-1122238804@seznam.cz> Zdravim. Mam zde jeden nefunkci prijimac. Postaven podle navodu - hnizdo, vsechny testpointy vesmes OK, az na RSSI, ktere je pri zatemnene fotodiode asi 6mV, nevite kde muze byt problem? Dik za rady.. From supermaster at seznam.cz Sun Jul 24 15:04:08 2005 From: supermaster at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?super=20master?=) Date: Mon Jul 25 12:51:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Are 310mm fresnel lens suitable for RX? Message-ID: <5670.7387-16953-1937181639-1122213848@seznam.cz> Hi, I am planning to build RX with 310x310mm fresnel lens from http://www.3dlens.com/enter.html?target=Large_Fresnel_Lens.html , model #A310a with focal lenght of 330mm. Ronja with this large RX will be installed od 1.6km long distance and will be hopefully operational even in fog and snow. Does anybody think it is not a good idea? RX photodiode has entering angle of -+25 degree, so with 330mm focal lenght it is diameter of 307mm, which is almost perfect. Wish me luck :) From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Jul 25 13:04:37 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Jul 25 13:02:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Are 310mm fresnel lens suitable for RX? In-Reply-To: <5670.7387-16953-1937181639-1122213848@seznam.cz> References: <5670.7387-16953-1937181639-1122213848@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <200507251404.37234.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ne 24. ?ervence 2005 16:04 super master napsal(a): > Hi, I am planning to build RX with 310x310mm fresnel lens from > http://www.3dlens.com/enter.html?target=Large_Fresnel_Lens.html , model > #A310a with focal lenght of 330mm. Ronja with this large RX will be > installed od 1.6km long distance and will be hopefully operational even in > fog and snow. Does anybody think it is not a good idea? RX photodiode has > entering angle of -+25 degree, so with 330mm focal lenght it is diameter of > 307mm, which is almost perfect. Wish me luck :) Fresnelky jsou samozrejmne dobre pouzitelne, provozuji jednu takovou linku, viz: http://images.twibright.com/tns/1189.html Nicmene jakakoliv velikost Rx cocky neni schopna zajistit dostatek svetla pro Rx v pripade mlhy. Linka bude chodit, za deste v pohoho (pokud to nebude privalovy lijak), za snezeni vicemene taky, ale uz tam budou sem tam vypadky, ale za mlhy s funkci nepocitej. Staci slaba mlha a na ten kilometr a neco uz Tx neni videt vubec .... S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Mon Jul 25 22:09:03 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Mon Jul 25 22:08:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem References: <200507211135.1432@centrum.cz> <000f01c58de2$8fbb4fb0$3701a8c0@pwech01> Message-ID: <000601c5915d$15ed33a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> chtel bych se zeptat , jaky presne typ a kde kupujete 74AC04 na ronja=20 nebulus ? v gm to nemaji vubec a v gesu jich je nekolik ale nevim ktery pouzit , di= ky=20 ! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > pekne :-) > mnohem lepsi nez tvoje cestina :-p > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > Tak to zkus udelat podle miho osazovaku. > Jak tak koukam na ty vase fotky "vrabcich hnizd" tak ten nazev u nekter= e > opravdu presne vystihuje jejich vyrobek... > Tady mas osazovak na Rx modul : > http://sweb.cz/RPelka/fotky/Rx1new_a.JPG > > Rasken > > ______________________________________________________________ >> Od: srnkap@extranetplus.cz >> Komu: "Michal Malusek" , "Twibright Ronja" > >> CC: >> Datum: 20.07.2005 12:23 >> P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [Ronja] problem >> >> ja nerikam , u rx hnizdem postavim za 2-3 hodiny, problem je ze at se >> snazim jak chci kontroluju a premeruju tak mi to stejne nechodi a stav= el >> jsem to cely uz asi trikraz s novejma soucastkama , proto se snazim=20 >> sehnat >> kvalitni plosnaky alespon jako twister , ten mam na PCB a funguji mi o= ba=20 >> , >> akorat jsou mi k nicemu bez toho zbytku :( >> No snad az se ve skole dostanu na osciloskop tak na neco prijdu, ale d= o=20 >> ty >> doby uz bych uz stejne chtel mit postavino plosnakama....jak uz tady b= ylo >> psano , tohle jsou asi reci o nicem, proste si kazdej jede na svym a j= a=20 >> to >> nikomu neberu, jen jsem myslel ze by mohl mit nekdo zajem dat za nejak= ou > tu >> kc rx i tx k dispozici , ale tak nic :/ >> >> HOWGH ! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malusek" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >> >> >> > vysilac v hnizde se da udelat za hodinu mozna min. vcera sem zacal=20 >> > delat >> 8 >> > vysilacu najednou a mozna jak za 3 hodiny jsem mel asi 80% hotovo. r= x=20 >> > je >> > na >> > dyl. >> > >> > btw neni tu nekdo komu rebyvaji dva postavene twistery? dva mi chybi= a=20 >> > > >> pajet >> > se mi to uz nechce. mam toho plne zuby. >> > >> > Glo >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pavel Srnka" >> >> > To: "Twibright Ronja" >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:22 AM >> > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >> > >> > >> >> ale opicce je to prd platny , kdyz potrebuje funkcni spoje a nebude= =20 >> >> min >> >> infra vysilace :(( >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:19 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >> >> >> >> >> >> Co se tyce plosnaku na RX, tak diky klukum z HKfree.net bude moji >> > malickosti >> >> uvolnena finalni verze behem pristiho mesice. >> >> Je to SMD, pasne do krabicky AH102 jako ta od Skontorpa, ale je >> > kvalitativne >> >> nekde uplne jinde. >> >> Prumerne zrucna opice dokaze jednu krabicku smontovat a ozivit behe= m >> dvou >> >> hodin >> >> a uspesnost u testovaci 30ks serie byla 100procentni. >> >> Takze uz nechte planych tlachu. >> >> >> >> Petr >> >> >> >> > se nepototo .... >> >> > jestli mas cas zadarmo, prosim, jiste nam milerad par vzdusnych >> > konstrukci >> >> > zadarmo vyrobis >> >> > dekujeme! >> >> > >> >> > Cipis >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "vikr" >> >> > To: "Twibright Ronja" >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > jak tak sleduju tak muj puvodni dotaz se zvrhnul v uplne=20 >> >> > > nesmyslnou >> >> > > debatu ktera nema ani hlavu ani patu. >> >> > > nechapu co tady porad resite , je uplne jedno jestli tech par >> odporu >> > a >> >> > > kondenzatoru visi ve vzduchu, nebo lezi na tistaku. >> >> > > na tistaku je to sice preciznejsi prace , nicmene na vdusne=20 >> >> > > montazi >> >> > > se >> >> > > teprv pozna zrucnost cloveka. >> >> > > TAKZE ZADAM VSECHNY , ABY SI NASLI JINE TEMA K DEBATE!!!!!! >> >> > > MELETE PORAD DOKOLA O TOM SAMYM ,!!!!! JAK GRAMOFON SE STAROU >> >> > > DESKOU!!!!!!!, ZAMYSLETE SE NAD SEBOU,,PROBOHA,,!!!!!!!! >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja=20 From anmic at fmg.sk Mon Jul 25 22:19:15 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Mon Jul 25 22:22:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni RX References: <103.120-28483-1216268159-1122238804@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000301c5915e$e95348f0$0101a8c0@anmic> > Zdravim. Mam zde jeden nefunkci prijimac. Postaven podle navodu - hnizdo, vsechny testpointy vesmes OK, az na RSSI, ktere je pri zatemnene fotodiode asi 6mV, nevite kde muze byt problem? Dik za rady.. > Nedavno jsem tady na maillistu resil podobny problem. Zkuste se zamerit na soucastky kolem fotodiody a vstupu BF tranzistoru. Jak to jen pujde, zkratte vyvody soucastek a hlavne take vyvody kondenzatoru ukostrene na krabicku. Mel jsem taky stinici prepazky zapajene jenom na nekolika mistech. Je potreba zapajet je ke krabicce po cele delce. Hodne stesti.. anMic From vikr at seznam.cz Tue Jul 26 08:29:49 2005 From: vikr at seznam.cz (vikr) Date: Tue Jul 26 08:32:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni RX In-Reply-To: <000301c5915e$e95348f0$0101a8c0@anmic> References: <103.120-28483-1216268159-1122238804@seznam.cz> <000301c5915e$e95348f0$0101a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <42E5E66D.30509@seznam.cz> anMic napsal(a): >>Zdravim. Mam zde jeden nefunkci prijimac. Postaven podle navodu - hnizdo, >> >> >vsechny testpointy vesmes OK, az na RSSI, ktere je pri zatemnene fotodiode >asi 6mV, nevite kde muze byt problem? Dik za rady.. > > > >Nedavno jsem tady na maillistu resil podobny problem. Zkuste se zamerit na >soucastky kolem fotodiody a vstupu BF tranzistoru. Jak to jen pujde, zkratte >vyvody soucastek a hlavne take vyvody kondenzatoru ukostrene na krabicku. >Mel jsem taky stinici prepazky zapajene jenom na nekolika mistech. Je >potreba zapajet je ke krabicce po cele delce. Hodne stesti.. > >anMic > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >--- >avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-0, 25.07.2005 >Testovano: 26.7.2005 9:22:15 >avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >http://www.avast.com > > > > > > zkontroluj osazeni soucastek, hlavne zda nemas obracenou foto,ci jinou diodu(dost casty problem) zapojeni kondenzatoru 2,2nF na vstupu NE592 (rozdilovy zesilovac) pokud je zapojis obracene, tak to nefunguje, twistr dostava pakety opacne polarity a trantzistory ,jestli jsi neprohodil emitor za colector , preju hodne uspechu --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-0, 25.07.2005 Testovano: 26.7.2005 9:32:10 avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From vikr at seznam.cz Tue Jul 26 08:48:06 2005 From: vikr at seznam.cz (vikr) Date: Tue Jul 26 08:48:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <000601c5915d$15ed33a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <200507211135.1432@centrum.cz> <000f01c58de2$8fbb4fb0$3701a8c0@pwech01> <000601c5915d$15ed33a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <42E5EAB6.1080200@seznam.cz> to mas celkem jedno, ja pouzil ty 74AC04PC ale pokud se ti nechce cekat tri tydny na dodani, tak si je muzes obednat sice o trochu drahsi z http://www.rs-components.cz/ (cd74ac04e) a mas je do tri dnu (taky odskouseno), nehlede na to , ze muzes pouzit misto tri 74ac04 pet 74hc04 ale mes bys doladit aby pres vysilaci diodu teklo cca 100mA , jediny rozdil mezi AC a HC je ve vystupnim vykonu. Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > chtel bych se zeptat , jaky presne typ a kde kupujete 74AC04 na > ronja nebulus ? > v gm to nemaji vubec a v gesu jich je nekolik ale nevim ktery pouzit , > diky ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > > > > > > > --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-0, 25.07.2005 Testovano: 26.7.2005 9:48:36 avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From vikr at seznam.cz Tue Jul 26 08:54:18 2005 From: vikr at seznam.cz (vikr) Date: Tue Jul 26 08:54:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] nepouzitelne 130mm cocky z trznice pro TX In-Reply-To: <5670.7387-23227-279447819-1122217879@seznam.cz> References: <5670.7387-23227-279447819-1122217879@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42E5EC2A.6040002@seznam.cz> ahoj, je to celkem zajimava idea , nicmene je problem v tom, ze ty cocky z trznice jsou kazda original coz znamena ze nemaji ohnisko tam kde bys predpokladal, ale kazda jinde a (vzdalenost jak od cocky, tak i od osy cocky) takze preju hodne stesti super master napsal(a): >ahoj, vcera jsem koupil v prazske trznici 130mm cocky, jedna stala 50kc, ale problem je, ze maji ohniskovou vzdalenost cca 374mm a skutecny pumer je jen 123mm, coz je pouzitelne pro RX, ale v zadnem pripade pro TX. Vysilaci LED HPWT-BD00-F4000 ma vyzarovaci uhel cca 30 stupnu, kdezto ohniskova vzdalenost 374 pri prumeru cocky 123 dava uhel pouze 18 stupnu, coz je zalostne malo, takze by se vyuzila jen cca polovina vyzarene energie. Navic potiz je, ze ta LEDka sviti nejvice v prstenci o uhlu cca 20 stupnu, takze s pouzitim te cocky by se vyuzilo mozna jen 30% energie. Napadlo me proto dat dve tyto cocky za sebe a podstatne tak snizit ohniskovou vzdalenost, ktera by mela byt pro 30 stupnu cca 106mm. Ma nekdo neco proti? Problem bude sestavit TX hlavici tak, aby byly obe cocky presne kolmo k opticke ose, ale to se snad vyresi pouzitim presneho prstence, ktery vlozim mezi obe cocky ( na jejich obvod) a zafixiju tak jejich vzajemnou polohu. Ted uz jen spocitat jejich vzdalenost a udelat to :) > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >--- >avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-0, 25.07.2005 >Testovano: 26.7.2005 9:22:10 >avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >http://www.avast.com > > > > > > --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-0, 25.07.2005 Testovano: 26.7.2005 9:54:46 avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From clock at twibright.com Tue Jul 26 08:53:14 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Jul 26 08:57:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] [jasper@pointless.net: Re: thingy@pointless.net unavailable] Message-ID: <20050726075314.GA29112@kestrel> ----- Forwarded message from Jasper Wallace ----- Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:10:28 +0100 (BST) From: Jasper Wallace To: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: thingy@pointless.net unavailable On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, Karel Kulhavy wrote: >Hi Jasper > >Thank you for all your hosting of Ronja mailing list. However in the >last three days, it looks like thingy.pointless.net is unavailable. Do >you know the cause? I don't, but the machine is now back up. typical, i go away for the weekend and the server goes down 3 hours after i leave :( >CL< -- [http://pointless.net/] [0x2ECA0975] ----- End forwarded message ----- From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Jul 26 09:58:17 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Jul 26 09:58:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] nepouzitelne 130mm cocky z trznice pro TX In-Reply-To: <17371707843.20050725120633@paleo.cz> References: <5670.7387-23227-279447819-1122217879@seznam.cz> <17371707843.20050725120633@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <1122368297.42e5fb29510c5@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Mno dve cocky za sebou uz jsem zkousel, ale ma to dva hacky. 1) Jak to udelat aby se to mezi nima nemlzilo :( 2) Znasobi se vady cocek. Takze kdyz to promitate na stenu v pokoji tak vysledek impozantni ale na 1km uz celkem nic moc. Petr > Dobr? den. > > Tohle me uz taky napadlo, urcite to pude, jde o to jen to spravne > zpocitat.. Ja to chtel delat upevnenim vsech 3 casti (prvni, druhe > cocky i modulu) na 3 zavitove tyce a tim mit moznost presne odladit > vzdalenosti jeste pred vlozenim do tubusu... > --- > > sm> ahoj, vcera jsem koupil v prazske trznici 130mm cocky, jedna stala 50kc, > ale problem je, ze maji ohniskovou vzdalenost cca 374mm a skutecny pumer je > jen 123mm, coz je pouzitelne pro RX, ale v > sm> zadnem pripade pro TX. Vysilaci LED HPWT-BD00-F4000 ma vyzarovaci uhel > cca 30 stupnu, kdezto ohniskova vzdalenost 374 pri prumeru cocky 123 dava > uhel pouze 18 stupnu, coz je zalostne malo, takze > sm> by se vyuzila jen cca polovina vyzarene energie. Navic potiz je, ze ta > LEDka sviti nejvice v prstenci o uhlu cca 20 stupnu, takze s pouzitim te > cocky by se vyuzilo mozna jen 30% energie. Napadlo > sm> me proto dat dve tyto cocky za sebe a podstatne tak snizit ohniskovou > vzdalenost, ktera by mela byt pro 30 stupnu cca 106mm. Ma nekdo neco proti? > Problem bude sestavit TX hlavici tak, aby byly > sm> obe cocky presne kolmo k opticke ose, ale to se snad vyresi pouzitim > presneho prstence, ktery vlozim mezi obe cocky ( na jejich obvod) a zafixiju > tak jejich vzajemnou polohu. Ted uz jen spocitat > sm> jejich vzdalenost a udelat to :) > > S?ti zdar! > --- > Radovan Moser (pupik) > http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) > ICQ-ID: 15521245 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Tue Jul 26 12:56:48 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Tue Jul 26 12:56:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] nepouzitelne 130mm cocky z trznice pro TX In-Reply-To: <1122368297.42e5fb29510c5@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <5670.7387-23227-279447819-1122217879@seznam.cz> <17371707843.20050725120633@paleo.cz> <1122368297.42e5fb29510c5@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42E62500.5030000@centrum.cz> Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > Mno dve cocky za sebou uz jsem zkousel, ale ma to dva hacky. > 1) Jak to udelat aby se to mezi nima nemlzilo :( dobre utesnit a nasypat silikagelu ... ale nevim jesi to pomuze... mozna nema tak velkou pohltivost nebo nechat nake vetraci otvory mezi nima a topit jenom tu vnejsi... nebo obe ... ? > 2) Znasobi se vady cocek. Takze kdyz to promitate na stenu v pokoji tak vysledek > impozantni ale na 1km uz celkem nic moc. > > Petr > > >>Dobr? den. >> >>Tohle me uz taky napadlo, urcite to pude, jde o to jen to spravne >>zpocitat.. Ja to chtel delat upevnenim vsech 3 casti (prvni, druhe >>cocky i modulu) na 3 zavitove tyce a tim mit moznost presne odladit >>vzdalenosti jeste pred vlozenim do tubusu... >>--- >> >>sm> ahoj, vcera jsem koupil v prazske trznici 130mm cocky, jedna stala 50kc, >>ale problem je, ze maji ohniskovou vzdalenost cca 374mm a skutecny pumer je >>jen 123mm, coz je pouzitelne pro RX, ale v >>sm> zadnem pripade pro TX. Vysilaci LED HPWT-BD00-F4000 ma vyzarovaci uhel >>cca 30 stupnu, kdezto ohniskova vzdalenost 374 pri prumeru cocky 123 dava >>uhel pouze 18 stupnu, coz je zalostne malo, takze >>sm> by se vyuzila jen cca polovina vyzarene energie. Navic potiz je, ze ta >>LEDka sviti nejvice v prstenci o uhlu cca 20 stupnu, takze s pouzitim te >>cocky by se vyuzilo mozna jen 30% energie. Napadlo >>sm> me proto dat dve tyto cocky za sebe a podstatne tak snizit ohniskovou >>vzdalenost, ktera by mela byt pro 30 stupnu cca 106mm. Ma nekdo neco proti? >>Problem bude sestavit TX hlavici tak, aby byly >>sm> obe cocky presne kolmo k opticke ose, ale to se snad vyresi pouzitim >>presneho prstence, ktery vlozim mezi obe cocky ( na jejich obvod) a zafixiju >>tak jejich vzajemnou polohu. Ted uz jen spocitat >>sm> jejich vzdalenost a udelat to :) >> >>S?ti zdar! >>--- >> Radovan Moser (pupik) >> http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) >> ICQ-ID: 15521245 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From jan.martinu at post.cz Tue Jul 26 13:13:31 2005 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan Martinu) Date: Tue Jul 26 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <42E5EAB6.1080200@seznam.cz> References: <200507211135.1432@centrum.cz> <000f01c58de2$8fbb4fb0$3701a8c0@pwech01> <000601c5915d$15ed33a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <42E5EAB6.1080200@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42E628EB.5040406@post.cz> Mam dotaz, proc se vlastne v TX nepouziva 74F04, ten by mel mit o dost vetsi proud na vystupech nebo se pletu? profix vikr wrote: > to mas celkem jedno, ja pouzil ty 74AC04PC ale pokud se ti nechce > cekat tri tydny na dodani, tak si je muzes obednat sice o trochu > drahsi z http://www.rs-components.cz/ (cd74ac04e) a mas je do tri > dnu (taky odskouseno), nehlede na to , ze muzes pouzit misto tri > 74ac04 pet 74hc04 ale mes bys doladit aby pres vysilaci diodu teklo > cca 100mA , jediny rozdil mezi AC a HC je ve vystupnim vykonu. > > > > > > Pavel Srnka napsal(a): > >> chtel bych se zeptat , jaky presne typ a kde kupujete 74AC04 na >> ronja nebulus ? >> v gm to nemaji vubec a v gesu jich je nekolik ale nevim ktery pouzit >> , diky ! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-0, 25.07.2005 > Testovano: 26.7.2005 9:48:36 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Tue Jul 26 18:57:29 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Tue Jul 26 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani puskohledem Message-ID: <42E67989.8000209@centrum.cz> zkousel uz nekdo zamerovat ronju puskohledem? ja sem si dneska koupil naky nejlevnejsi za 560 a polozil ho na Rx (jiz drive zamireny), zaaretoval gumou na vareni a cil sem mel na musce :). myslim si, ze minimalne na mireni Rx je to dobra vec, u Tx muze byt problem ze je z osy vychylena LED. dneska bych mel zamerovat jeden noy spoj tak pak dam vedet vysledky. spis me zajima jestli s tim nekdo nema zkusenosti. Co se tyce zaoseni trubky a puskohledu nevidim problem. puskohled ma jakoby 4 nozicky, ktere kdyz se na rovne plose dotykaji vsechny, musi byt v ose s trbkou pokud se i ji dotykaji vsechny ctyri. From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Tue Jul 26 21:23:20 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Tue Jul 26 19:21:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni RX In-Reply-To: <000301c5915e$e95348f0$0101a8c0@anmic> References: <103.120-28483-1216268159-1122238804@seznam.cz> <000301c5915e$e95348f0$0101a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:19:15 +0200, anMic wrote: > Mel jsem taky stinici prepazky zapajene jenom na nekolika mistech. Je > potreba zapajet je ke krabicce po cele delce. Hodne stesti.. > > anMic Hmm.. ja je mam zapajene jen na koncich. Myslis ze by to mohlo mit souvislost s tim, ze me oba takto delane rx chodi az asi od RSSI 280mV(i kdyz tech 280mV je u me na podlaze - koberec 2,6m tak jsem se s tim moc nezabyval)? Jeste jedna vec je to infra verze ronji, tak asi proto je ten dosah bez optiky 2,6m ale nekomu chodi takova infra tak ze se dostane treba na 6m a pak uz vetsinou nema kabely dal na testovani takze tech 2,6m bude asi taky malo. Ale zapojeny to mam dobre urcite a u blokovacich kondiku jsem se snazil delat co nejkratsi nozicky to slo a u toho mosfetu jsem dal dokonce SMD kondik. Nicmene ze by to mohlo byt temi nedopajenymi prepazkami me nenapadlo. From anmic at fmg.sk Tue Jul 26 20:02:18 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Tue Jul 26 20:02:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni RX References: <103.120-28483-1216268159-1122238804@seznam.cz><000301c5915e$e95348f0$0101a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <001601c59214$939a2080$0101a8c0@anmic> > > Mel jsem taky stinici prepazky zapajene jenom na nekolika mistech. Je > > potreba zapajet je ke krabicce po cele delce. Hodne stesti.. > > > > anMic > > Hmm.. ja je mam zapajene jen na koncich. Myslis ze by to mohlo mit > souvislost s tim, Zapajeni prepazek po celem obvodu mi pomohlo vyresit podobny problem. Moje prepazky pripajene jen v nekolika bodech zrejme umoznily vznik zpetne vazby mezi jednotlivymi stupni rx a obvod se asi rozkmital. > Jeste jedna vec je to infra verze ronji, tak asi proto je ten dosah bez optiky > 2,6m ale nekomu chodi takova infra tak ze se dostane treba na 6m a pak uz > vetsinou nema kabely dal na testovani takze tech 2,6m bude asi taky malo. Mysim, ze 2,6 m je perfektni vysledek. Pri testovani bez optiky asi hodne zalezi na povrchu (leskla/matna podlaha ap.). zdravi anMic From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Wed Jul 27 09:30:28 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 09:30:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos Message-ID: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> vcera jsme zamerovali jeden novy spoj asi na 440m, rssi na obou stranach spickove 3,7V. zamerit se to podarilo, ale na lince byl asi 60% packet loss. Na jedne strane byl notebook s nevim jakou sitovkou 10M FD, windous XP a na druhe strane linux s 3C509 ale jenom HD. netusim proc je ten paketlos tak velky, kdyz rssi je myslim velice dobre. poradi mi nekdo? :) From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Wed Jul 27 09:56:30 2005 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Wed Jul 27 09:56:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB8E7A94@vestex01.vest.corp> Obe sitovky museji byt v 10HD nebo 10FD. Pomuze rucne nastavit 10HD na obou... asi :-) -- Kosac > > > vcera jsme zamerovali jeden novy spoj asi na 440m, rssi na > obou stranach > spickove 3,7V. zamerit se to podarilo, ale na lince byl asi > 60% packet > loss. Na jedne strane byl notebook s nevim jakou sitovkou 10M FD, > windous XP a na druhe strane linux s 3C509 ale jenom HD. > netusim proc je > ten paketlos tak velky, kdyz rssi je myslim velice dobre. poradi mi > nekdo? :) From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jul 27 09:57:43 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 09:57:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos References: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000501c59289$40ec25c0$0103450a@thechosen> to ej tema sitovkama, takhle s eto chova kdyz je jedna strana HD a druha FD. aspom mam takove zkusenosti. a vubec mam s 3com + twister nepekene zkusenosti. nejlepsi je realtek za 150 korun Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: "Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: [Ronja] paketlos > vcera jsme zamerovali jeden novy spoj asi na 440m, rssi na obou stranach > spickove 3,7V. zamerit se to podarilo, ale na lince byl asi 60% packet > loss. Na jedne strane byl notebook s nevim jakou sitovkou 10M FD, > windous XP a na druhe strane linux s 3C509 ale jenom HD. netusim proc je > ten paketlos tak velky, kdyz rssi je myslim velice dobre. poradi mi > nekdo? :) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From supermaster at seznam.cz Wed Jul 27 10:18:43 2005 From: supermaster at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?super=20master?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 10:18:47 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20paketlos?= In-Reply-To: <000501c59289$40ec25c0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <5818.7548-21226-1448407860-1122455923@seznam.cz> coze? ja mam v routeru 4x 3c509c a rad bych je pouzil i pro ronju, v cem je problem? From polous at katka.biz Wed Jul 27 12:21:13 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Jul 27 10:20:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos In-Reply-To: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> References: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42E76E29.6010909@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jakub Michn?k wrote: > vcera jsme zamerovali jeden novy spoj asi na 440m, rssi na obou > stranach spickove 3,7V. zamerit se to podarilo, ale na lince byl > asi 60% packet loss. Na jedne strane byl notebook s nevim jakou > sitovkou 10M FD, windous XP a na druhe strane linux s 3C509 ale > jenom HD. netusim proc je ten paketlos tak velky, kdyz rssi je > myslim velice dobre. poradi mi nekdo? :) > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > Dej na obe strany fd sitovky p0l0us -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC524pYo9JRD7EbFIRAvG/AKCj6v706Z7NyMYudfx2t7CDqEOX7wCfd3ha reB6XH81rvQpQ3K0LhoN3bM= =6DiR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From polous at katka.biz Wed Jul 27 12:47:13 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Jul 27 10:46:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos In-Reply-To: <5818.7548-21226-1448407860-1122455923@seznam.cz> References: <5818.7548-21226-1448407860-1122455923@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42E77441.2020206@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 super master wrote: > coze? ja mam v routeru 4x 3c509c a rad bych je pouzil i pro ronju, > v cem je problem? > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > s temahle sitovkama jsem testoval na zemi proti tem realtekum a fungovala mi Tetrapolis bez vetsich komplikaci. p0l0us -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC53RBYo9JRD7EbFIRArOaAJ4pVYSfBeo5D/Yhf7yhObXiTjVBSwCdGmk3 H6LxE4l9kNu6vgdpYifnd5w= =p6CE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vikr at seznam.cz Wed Jul 27 11:41:39 2005 From: vikr at seznam.cz (vikr) Date: Wed Jul 27 11:42:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos In-Reply-To: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> References: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <42E764E3.3010704@seznam.cz> problem neni v sitovkach, nybrz v samotnem navrhu ronji, pri urovni cca nad 3,5V se dostava vstupni obvod RX do stavu prebuzeni uz do twisteru jdou zdeformovane packety , na tento problem je jedina rada , rozostrit ohnisko na strane RX a tim snizit rssi na hodnotu do cca 3,3V pak by mel packet loss (no packetloss, hlasi se to tak, nicmene packet dorazi ale poskozeny!!!!) pak je jeste jedna vec jak dodrzujes clockovy doporucene hodnoty na mericich bodech . hodne stesti Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > vcera jsme zamerovali jeden novy spoj asi na 440m, rssi na obou > stranach spickove 3,7V. zamerit se to podarilo, ale na lince byl asi > 60% packet loss. Na jedne strane byl notebook s nevim jakou sitovkou > 10M FD, windous XP a na druhe strane linux s 3C509 ale jenom HD. > netusim proc je ten paketlos tak velky, kdyz rssi je myslim velice > dobre. poradi mi nekdo? :) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 > Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:33:56 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:42:05 avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From vikr at seznam.cz Wed Jul 27 11:44:56 2005 From: vikr at seznam.cz (vikr) Date: Wed Jul 27 11:45:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos In-Reply-To: <42E764E3.3010704@seznam.cz> References: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> <42E764E3.3010704@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42E765A8.2020002@seznam.cz> jo jeste jsem zapomel , pri nastaveni sitovek, na jedne strane FD a druhe HD je packet loss max do 30% (twistrer neni konstruovan na kolize) vikr napsal(a): > problem neni v sitovkach, nybrz v samotnem navrhu ronji, pri urovni > cca nad 3,5V se dostava vstupni obvod RX do stavu prebuzeni uz do > twisteru jdou zdeformovane packety , na tento problem je jedina rada , > rozostrit ohnisko na strane RX a tim snizit rssi na hodnotu do cca > 3,3V pak by mel packet loss (no packetloss, hlasi se to tak, nicmene > packet dorazi ale poskozeny!!!!) pak je jeste jedna vec jak dodrzujes > clockovy doporucene hodnoty na mericich bodech . > > hodne stesti > > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > >> vcera jsme zamerovali jeden novy spoj asi na 440m, rssi na obou >> stranach spickove 3,7V. zamerit se to podarilo, ale na lince byl asi >> 60% packet loss. Na jedne strane byl notebook s nevim jakou sitovkou >> 10M FD, windous XP a na druhe strane linux s 3C509 ale jenom HD. >> netusim proc je ten paketlos tak velky, kdyz rssi je myslim velice >> dobre. poradi mi nekdo? :) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 >> Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:33:56 >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 > Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:42:05 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 > Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:42:32 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:45:23 avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jul 27 12:01:42 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 12:01:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos References: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> <42E764E3.3010704@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000b01c5929a$92a5b780$0103450a@thechosen> to e mi nikdy nestalo a to mame trasu s rssi 4V Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "vikr" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] paketlos > problem neni v sitovkach, nybrz v samotnem navrhu ronji, pri urovni cca > nad 3,5V se dostava vstupni obvod RX do stavu prebuzeni uz do twisteru > jdou zdeformovane packety , na tento problem je jedina rada , rozostrit > ohnisko na strane RX a tim snizit rssi na hodnotu do cca 3,3V pak by mel > packet loss (no packetloss, hlasi se to tak, nicmene packet dorazi ale > poskozeny!!!!) pak je jeste jedna vec jak dodrzujes clockovy doporucene > hodnoty na mericich bodech . > > hodne stesti > > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > > > vcera jsme zamerovali jeden novy spoj asi na 440m, rssi na obou > > stranach spickove 3,7V. zamerit se to podarilo, ale na lince byl asi > > 60% packet loss. Na jedne strane byl notebook s nevim jakou sitovkou > > 10M FD, windous XP a na druhe strane linux s 3C509 ale jenom HD. > > netusim proc je ten paketlos tak velky, kdyz rssi je myslim velice > > dobre. poradi mi nekdo? :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > --- > > avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. > > Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 > > Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:33:56 > > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 > Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:42:05 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Wed Jul 27 12:07:03 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Wed Jul 27 12:06:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos References: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> <42E764E3.3010704@seznam.cz> <42E765A8.2020002@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000801c5929b$518935a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> no tak moooooment, ja myslel ze rssi muze byt klidne i 4V ??! tzn ze kdyz dam krabicky k sobe tak na 10cm a rssi mi ukaze treba 4 i vic V tak neni sance aby to makalo ??! Jestli je to tak tak uz se nedivim ze mi to nemaka ----- Original Message ----- From: "vikr" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] paketlos > jo jeste jsem zapomel , pri nastaveni sitovek, na jedne strane FD a druhe > HD je packet loss max do 30% (twistrer neni konstruovan na kolize) > vikr napsal(a): > >> problem neni v sitovkach, nybrz v samotnem navrhu ronji, pri urovni cca >> nad 3,5V se dostava vstupni obvod RX do stavu prebuzeni uz do twisteru >> jdou zdeformovane packety , na tento problem je jedina rada , rozostrit >> ohnisko na strane RX a tim snizit rssi na hodnotu do cca 3,3V pak by mel >> packet loss (no packetloss, hlasi se to tak, nicmene packet dorazi ale >> poskozeny!!!!) pak je jeste jedna vec jak dodrzujes clockovy doporucene >> hodnoty na mericich bodech . >> >> hodne stesti >> >> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): >> >>> vcera jsme zamerovali jeden novy spoj asi na 440m, rssi na obou stranach >>> spickove 3,7V. zamerit se to podarilo, ale na lince byl asi 60% packet >>> loss. Na jedne strane byl notebook s nevim jakou sitovkou 10M FD, >>> windous XP a na druhe strane linux s 3C509 ale jenom HD. netusim proc je >>> ten paketlos tak velky, kdyz rssi je myslim velice dobre. poradi mi >>> nekdo? :) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> --- >>> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >>> Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 >>> Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:33:56 >>> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 >> Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:42:05 >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 >> Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:42:32 >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 > Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:45:23 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Wed Jul 27 12:07:01 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 12:07:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos In-Reply-To: <42E765A8.2020002@seznam.cz> References: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> <42E764E3.3010704@seznam.cz> <42E765A8.2020002@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <42E76AD5.1040007@centrum.cz> hm, diky moc za rady, neco vyzkousim, snad to uz pojede vikr napsal(a): > jo jeste jsem zapomel , pri nastaveni sitovek, na jedne strane FD a > druhe HD je packet loss max do 30% (twistrer neni konstruovan na kolize) > vikr napsal(a): > >> problem neni v sitovkach, nybrz v samotnem navrhu ronji, pri urovni >> cca nad 3,5V se dostava vstupni obvod RX do stavu prebuzeni uz do >> twisteru jdou zdeformovane packety , na tento problem je jedina rada , >> rozostrit ohnisko na strane RX a tim snizit rssi na hodnotu do cca >> 3,3V pak by mel packet loss (no packetloss, hlasi se to tak, nicmene >> packet dorazi ale poskozeny!!!!) pak je jeste jedna vec jak dodrzujes >> clockovy doporucene hodnoty na mericich bodech . >> >> hodne stesti >> >> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): >> >>> vcera jsme zamerovali jeden novy spoj asi na 440m, rssi na obou >>> stranach spickove 3,7V. zamerit se to podarilo, ale na lince byl asi >>> 60% packet loss. Na jedne strane byl notebook s nevim jakou sitovkou >>> 10M FD, windous XP a na druhe strane linux s 3C509 ale jenom HD. >>> netusim proc je ten paketlos tak velky, kdyz rssi je myslim velice >>> dobre. poradi mi nekdo? :) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> --- >>> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >>> Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 >>> Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:33:56 >>> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 >> Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:42:05 >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 >> Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:42:32 >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 > Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:45:23 > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From polous at katka.biz Wed Jul 27 14:58:52 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Jul 27 12:58:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos - chyba v navodu In-Reply-To: <000801c5929b$518935a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> <42E764E3.3010704@seznam.cz> <42E765A8.2020002@seznam.cz> <000801c5929b$518935a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <42E7931C.6030506@katka.biz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Pavel Srnka wrote: > no tak moooooment, ja myslel ze rssi muze byt klidne i 4V ??! tzn > ze kdyz dam krabicky k sobe tak na 10cm a rssi mi ukaze treba 4 i > vic V tak neni sance aby to makalo ??! Jestli je to tak tak uz se > nedivim ze mi to nemaka > > sem tekda tak zbezne koukal na navod na tetraposli installing&aiming a nikde sem poznamu o prebuzeni nenasel, i kdyz je to dost znama vec. chtelo by to do navodu doplnit. p0l0us -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC55McYo9JRD7EbFIRAhUxAJ4n+0NfzQDJOfO5naH5a9JIMK+pWACfWHrT 9ablHGqiH1wJIyW9sDWGQbg= =tdhq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Jul 27 14:00:40 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Wed Jul 27 14:00:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Is Ronja considered to be waterproof? Message-ID: <20050727130039.GA7797@feanor> Hello I Instaled two pairs of home-made Ronjas and i have problem with water in two heads. I have standard 130mm tubular heads (but without hood and heating) and use silicone sealant according to the guide. During morning i found moisture at lens. After opening the head i found that there is a lot of water inside. So my question is whether Ronja is considered to be waterproof (in this case i suggest adding some testing to building guide such as dipping cap with len (or maybe whole Ronja head ?) to water to test sealing with sealant). In case not to be considered being waterproof there is a question whether there shouldn't be some hole to drain away water. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jul 27 16:51:57 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Jul 27 16:52:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos In-Reply-To: <42E77441.2020206@katka.biz> References: <5818.7548-21226-1448407860-1122455923@seznam.cz> <42E77441.2020206@katka.biz> Message-ID: <1122479517.42e7ad9d1e503@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Problem je v nedobrych RXech zn. Skontorp a podobnych. Produkuji divne sumy a ruchy. Chudak 3COM sitovka (podivej se na rok vyroby) se zachova naprosto korektne a vadny paket zahodi. Realtek (RTL8139) je naproti tomu o neco modernejsi a nejak se s tim popere. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > super master wrote: > > > coze? ja mam v routeru 4x 3c509c a rad bych je pouzil i pro ronju, > > v cem je problem? > > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > s temahle sitovkama jsem testoval na zemi proti tem realtekum a > fungovala mi Tetrapolis bez vetsich komplikaci. > > p0l0us > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC53RBYo9JRD7EbFIRArOaAJ4pVYSfBeo5D/Yhf7yhObXiTjVBSwCdGmk3 > H6LxE4l9kNu6vgdpYifnd5w= > =p6CE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jul 27 16:57:52 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Jul 27 16:57:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos In-Reply-To: <000801c5929b$518935a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> <42E764E3.3010704@seznam.cz> <42E765A8.2020002@seznam.cz> <000801c5929b$518935a0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <1122479872.42e7af0041d49@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Muze. RX funguje v poradku do RSSI vetsiho nez 4V. Podminkou je vyladit napeti na P104 na (6+-0,5) V, tj. ten odpor 560 Ohm nahradit jinym podle potreby. Od napeti 4V vys se jiz zacne uplatnovat zkresleni, pak se to dotkne 4,2V a zacne klesat k nule. V praxi to s 13cm cockama odpovida vzdalenosti 400m a mensi. > no tak moooooment, ja myslel ze rssi muze byt klidne i 4V ??! > tzn ze kdyz dam krabicky k sobe tak na 10cm a rssi mi ukaze treba 4 i vic V > > tak neni sance aby to makalo ??! Jestli je to tak tak uz se nedivim ze mi to > > nemaka > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vikr" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] paketlos > > > > jo jeste jsem zapomel , pri nastaveni sitovek, na jedne strane FD a druhe > > > HD je packet loss max do 30% (twistrer neni konstruovan na kolize) > > vikr napsal(a): > > > >> problem neni v sitovkach, nybrz v samotnem navrhu ronji, pri urovni cca > >> nad 3,5V se dostava vstupni obvod RX do stavu prebuzeni uz do twisteru > >> jdou zdeformovane packety , na tento problem je jedina rada , rozostrit > >> ohnisko na strane RX a tim snizit rssi na hodnotu do cca 3,3V pak by mel > > >> packet loss (no packetloss, hlasi se to tak, nicmene packet dorazi ale > >> poskozeny!!!!) pak je jeste jedna vec jak dodrzujes clockovy doporucene > >> hodnoty na mericich bodech . > >> > >> hodne stesti > >> > >> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > >> > >>> vcera jsme zamerovali jeden novy spoj asi na 440m, rssi na obou stranach > > >>> spickove 3,7V. zamerit se to podarilo, ale na lince byl asi 60% packet > >>> loss. Na jedne strane byl notebook s nevim jakou sitovkou 10M FD, > >>> windous XP a na druhe strane linux s 3C509 ale jenom HD. netusim proc je > > >>> ten paketlos tak velky, kdyz rssi je myslim velice dobre. poradi mi > >>> nekdo? :) > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Ronja mailing list > >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >>> --- > >>> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. > >>> Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 > >>> Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:33:56 > >>> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > >>> http://www.avast.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 > >> Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:42:05 > >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > >> http://www.avast.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> --- > >> avast! Antivirus: Prichozi zprava cista. > >> Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 > >> Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:42:32 > >> avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > >> http://www.avast.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --- > > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > > Virova databaze (VPS): 0530-1, 26.07.2005 > > Testovano: 27.7.2005 12:45:23 > > avast! (c) copyright 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From martin.zgos at tiscali.cz Wed Jul 27 18:15:06 2005 From: martin.zgos at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Martin_Posp=ED=B9il?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 18:15:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?probl=E9m_s_twistery?= Message-ID: <001b01c592ce$bca511a0$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun> Zdrav?m v?echny na konferenci. Pot?eboval bych pomoct/poradit s t?mto probl?mem: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050727/b6bc9420/attachment.htm From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Wed Jul 27 18:19:54 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 18:19:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] =?ISO-8859-2?Q?probl=E9m_s_twistery?= In-Reply-To: <001b01c592ce$bca511a0$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun> References: <001b01c592ce$bca511a0$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun> Message-ID: <42E7C23A.6020007@centrum.cz> Martin Posp??il napsal(a): > Zdrav?m v?echny na konferenci. > Pot?eboval bych pomoct/poradit s t?mto probl?mem: > no tak ho napis :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25.7.2005 From martin.zgos at tiscali.cz Wed Jul 27 18:28:57 2005 From: martin.zgos at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Martin_Posp=ED=B9il?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 18:29:02 2005 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?probl=E9m_s_twistery?= Message-ID: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun> Zdrav?m v?echny na konferenci. Pot?eboval bych pomoct/poradit s t?mto probl?mem: Kompletn? sem postavil tetrapolis a v?e fungovalo na stole (bez ?o?ek).Max. dosah byl sice asi 1m ale chodilo to. N?jakou dobu nebyl ?as na konstrukci trubek tak to chv?li le?elo.Zhruba po dvou t?dnech to znovu zkou??m a nic! Dlouho jsem hledal zavadu v p??jma??ch a vys?la??ch a kdy? jsem p??mo propojil twistery rx-tx a tx-rx tak jsem zjistil ?e neprojde ani jeden paket.Hledal jsem upaden? dr?t-m?m vzdu?nou konstrukci-ale nic jsem nena?el.V zoufal? snaze probl?m naj?t jsem podez?el? twister rozebral a? na stabiliz?tor,logick? obvody p?ezkou?el log.sondou a znovu slo?il.Te? sem tam n?jak? paket projde,je to velice n?hodn?. N?kdy je ztr?tovost 45%,jindy 89%. Osciloskop nem?m a nev?m kde by mohla b?t chyba.P?ezkou?el jsem zda nem?m p?elomen? TP kabely z twister? ale jsou v po??dku. P?edem d?kuji za jakoukoliv pomoc. ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050727/b8954b35/attachment.htm From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Wed Jul 27 18:37:24 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 18:37:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] =?ISO-8859-2?Q?probl=E9m_s_twistery?= In-Reply-To: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun> References: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun> Message-ID: <42E7C654.4070800@centrum.cz> tak podle toho co pises je to to same co sem udelal dneska ja. vymen v twistrech 22p kondiky za 33p. ja sem taky 2 twistry postavil a nejel ani jeden. vymenil sem kondiky na jednom a jel. na druhem sem vymenil jenom jeden a jelo to. vcera sme to (asi po pul roce lezeni na skrini) nainstalovali a nejelo. taky mam prosly asi 2 pakety z 5ti. vymenil sem i ten druhy kondik a heureca. nez sem to nainstaloval tak sem asi 10x hledal chybu a nevedel cim to je. nekdy to chodilo, nekdy proslo jenom neco, nekdy nic .... Martin Posp??il napsal(a): > Zdrav?m v?echny na konferenci. > Pot?eboval bych pomoct/poradit s t?mto probl?mem: > > Kompletn? sem postavil tetrapolis a v?e fungovalo na stole (bez > ?o?ek).Max. dosah byl sice asi 1m ale chodilo to. > N?jakou dobu nebyl ?as na konstrukci trubek tak to chv?li le?elo.Zhruba > po dvou t?dnech to znovu zkou??m a nic! > Dlouho jsem hledal zavadu v p??jma??ch a vys?la??ch a kdy? > jsem p??mo propojil twistery rx-tx a tx-rx tak jsem zjistil ?e > neprojde ani jeden paket.Hledal jsem upaden? dr?t-m?m vzdu?nou > konstrukci-ale nic jsem nena?el.V zoufal? snaze > probl?m naj?t jsem podez?el? twister rozebral a? na stabiliz?tor,logick? > obvody p?ezkou?el log.sondou a znovu slo?il.Te? sem tam n?jak? paket > projde,je to velice n?hodn?. > N?kdy je ztr?tovost 45%,jindy 89%. Osciloskop nem?m a > nev?m kde by mohla b?t chyba.P?ezkou?el jsem zda nem?m p?elomen? TP > kabely z twister? ale jsou v po??dku. > P?edem d?kuji za jakoukoliv pomoc. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25.7.2005 From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jul 27 18:42:16 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Jul 27 18:42:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] p=?ISO-8859-1?B?cm9ibOltIHMgdHdpc3Rlcnk=?= In-Reply-To: <42E7C654.4070800@centrum.cz> References: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun> <42E7C654.4070800@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1122486136.42e7c778cc097@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> A u tech kondiku mas svab 74HC14 nebo 74HCT14? To je totiz secsacramentskej rozdil. Quoting Jakub Michn?k : > tak podle toho co pises je to to same co sem udelal dneska ja. vymen v > twistrech 22p kondiky za 33p. ja sem taky 2 twistry postavil a nejel ani > jeden. vymenil sem kondiky na jednom a jel. na druhem sem vymenil jenom > jeden a jelo to. vcera sme to (asi po pul roce lezeni na skrini) > nainstalovali a nejelo. taky mam prosly asi 2 pakety z 5ti. vymenil sem > i ten druhy kondik a heureca. nez sem to nainstaloval tak sem asi 10x > hledal chybu a nevedel cim to je. nekdy to chodilo, nekdy proslo jenom > neco, nekdy nic .... > > Martin Posp??il napsal(a): > > Zdrav?m v?echny na konferenci. > > Pot?eboval bych pomoct/poradit s t?mto probl?mem: > > > > Kompletn? sem postavil tetrapolis a v?e fungovalo na stole (bez > > ?o?ek).Max. dosah byl sice asi 1m ale chodilo to. > > N?jakou dobu nebyl ?as na konstrukci trubek tak to chv?li le?elo.Zhruba > > po dvou t?dnech to znovu zkou??m a nic! > > Dlouho jsem hledal zavadu v p??jma??ch a vys?la??ch a kdy? > > jsem p??mo propojil twistery rx-tx a tx-rx tak jsem zjistil ?e > > neprojde ani jeden paket.Hledal jsem upaden? dr?t-m?m vzdu?nou > > konstrukci-ale nic jsem nena?el.V zoufal? snaze > > probl?m naj?t jsem podez?el? twister rozebral a? na stabiliz?tor,logick? > > obvody p?ezkou?el log.sondou a znovu slo?il.Te? sem tam n?jak? paket > > projde,je to velice n?hodn?. > > N?kdy je ztr?tovost 45%,jindy 89%. Osciloskop nem?m a > > nev?m kde by mohla b?t chyba.P?ezkou?el jsem zda nem?m p?elomen? TP > > kabely z twister? ale jsou v po??dku. > > P?edem d?kuji za jakoukoliv pomoc. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25.7.2005 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Wed Jul 27 18:55:40 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 18:55:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?probl=E9m_s_twistery?= In-Reply-To: <1122486136.42e7c778cc097@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun> <42E7C654.4070800@centrum.cz> <1122486136.42e7c778cc097@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <42E7CA9C.3020109@centrum.cz> uz to mam zakrytovane ale sips tam sou HC ... HCT vic zerou? Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > A u tech kondiku mas svab 74HC14 nebo 74HCT14? To je totiz secsacramentskej rozdil. > > Quoting Jakub Michn?k : > > >>tak podle toho co pises je to to same co sem udelal dneska ja. vymen v >>twistrech 22p kondiky za 33p. ja sem taky 2 twistry postavil a nejel ani >>jeden. vymenil sem kondiky na jednom a jel. na druhem sem vymenil jenom >>jeden a jelo to. vcera sme to (asi po pul roce lezeni na skrini) >>nainstalovali a nejelo. taky mam prosly asi 2 pakety z 5ti. vymenil sem >>i ten druhy kondik a heureca. nez sem to nainstaloval tak sem asi 10x >>hledal chybu a nevedel cim to je. nekdy to chodilo, nekdy proslo jenom >>neco, nekdy nic .... >> >>Martin Posp??il napsal(a): >> >>>Zdrav?m v?echny na konferenci. >>>Pot?eboval bych pomoct/poradit s t?mto probl?mem: >>> >>>Kompletn? sem postavil tetrapolis a v?e fungovalo na stole (bez >>>?o?ek).Max. dosah byl sice asi 1m ale chodilo to. >>>N?jakou dobu nebyl ?as na konstrukci trubek tak to chv?li le?elo.Zhruba >>>po dvou t?dnech to znovu zkou??m a nic! >>>Dlouho jsem hledal zavadu v p??jma??ch a vys?la??ch a kdy? >>>jsem p??mo propojil twistery rx-tx a tx-rx tak jsem zjistil ?e >>>neprojde ani jeden paket.Hledal jsem upaden? dr?t-m?m vzdu?nou >>>konstrukci-ale nic jsem nena?el.V zoufal? snaze >>>probl?m naj?t jsem podez?el? twister rozebral a? na stabiliz?tor,logick? >>>obvody p?ezkou?el log.sondou a znovu slo?il.Te? sem tam n?jak? paket >>>projde,je to velice n?hodn?. >>>N?kdy je ztr?tovost 45%,jindy 89%. Osciloskop nem?m a >>>nev?m kde by mohla b?t chyba.P?ezkou?el jsem zda nem?m p?elomen? TP >>>kabely z twister? ale jsou v po??dku. >>>P?edem d?kuji za jakoukoliv pomoc. >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25.7.2005 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From martin.zgos at tiscali.cz Wed Jul 27 19:07:35 2005 From: martin.zgos at tiscali.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Posp=EDsil?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 19:07:42 2005 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_probl=E9m_s_twistery?= References: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun> <42E7C654.4070800@centrum.cz><1122486136.42e7c778cc097@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42E7CA9C.3020109@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c592d6$127cc2b0$f4ed5ad4@lokodepotuhoun> no takze 33pf jsem nenasel tak jsem paralerne dal 15pf. tak jsem se tesil-probl?m zust?v?.tak jsem jeste skusil 22 pf ,to uz je 44pf.St?le nic. I s 44pf pakety proch?z?, ztr?tovost 80%. J? m?m IO 74HCT14 podle sch?matu. Nejak? jin? n?pady? Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > A u tech kondiku mas svab 74HC14 nebo 74HCT14? To je totiz secsacramentskej rozdil. > > Quoting Jakub Michn?k : > > From anmic at fmg.sk Wed Jul 27 19:33:37 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Wed Jul 27 19:34:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] paketlos References: <42E74624.4060004@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <002401c592d9$dec55500$0101a8c0@anmic> > vcera jsme zamerovali jeden novy spoj asi na 440m, rssi na obou stranach > spickove 3,7V. zamerit se to podarilo, ale na lince byl asi 60% packet > loss. Na jedne strane byl notebook s nevim jakou sitovkou 10M FD, > windous XP a na druhe strane linux s 3C509 ale jenom HD. netusim proc je > ten paketlos tak velky, kdyz rssi je myslim velice dobre. poradi mi > nekdo? :) > Mam podobne zkusenosti. Nedavno jsme testovali 1 par Ronji s 90mm tubusy pro planovany spoj. Vzdalenost asi 25 m, zamereno od oka. RSSI na obou stranach kolem 3,75 V. Jedna strana - 3c900 Half-duplex, AUI Forte Protistanice - rtl8139 FD + Twister Znacny packetloss se projevil pri soubezne obousmerne komunikaci, jinak ne. Pri datovem prenosu v obou smerech soucasne se uzitna rychlost vlivem tohoto packetlosu drzela na asi 160 kbps. Doufam, ze po nahrazeni AUI Twisterem a nastaveni na FD se rychlost priblizi k onem 10Mbps. Fotky z akce: http://ronja.ic.cz/ronja_test_001.jpg http://ronja.ic.cz/ronja_test_005.jpg http://ronja.ic.cz/ronja_test_007.jpg http://ronja.ic.cz/ronja_test_018.jpg http://ronja.ic.cz/ronja_test_020.jpg anMic From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jul 27 20:27:45 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Jul 27 20:27:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] p=?ISO-8859-1?B?cm9ibOltIHMgdHdpc3Rlcnk=?= In-Reply-To: <42E7CA9C.3020109@centrum.cz> References: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun> <42E7C654.4070800@centrum.cz> <1122486136.42e7c778cc097@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <42E7CA9C.3020109@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1122492465.42e7e031eb07e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> HCT maj trochu jiny rozhodovaci urovne. Mel jsem tady dva twistery kde byly 74HC14 a symptomy to melo stejne. Jeste jestli mel borec spravne propojene zeme. Testovaci kompy a zdroje pro twistery to chce napajet z jedne prodluzovacky, jinak se nekdy deji veci. Jeste by to mohlo byt prohazenyma zilama v UTPcku. Pokud se to pichne do inteligentniho switche, tak sem tam neco projde jak se snazi nastavit polaritu podle paketu. Sam jsem uz osadil vice jak 20 twisteru a musim rict ze vsechny fungovaly na prvni zapojeni. Problemy co jsem mel: 1) Otoceny stabilizator (no letujte neco kolem pulnoci) 2) Spatne nakrimpovany UTP konektor - ohmetrem premereno dobry. Po zapojeni do sitarny nic. Od ty doby kupuju hotove patch kabely a je klid. 3) Tlumivka. GESaci me dali jiny typ a ten mel moc velky odpor. Quoting Jakub Michn?k : > uz to mam zakrytovane ale sips tam sou HC ... HCT vic zerou? > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > > A u tech kondiku mas svab 74HC14 nebo 74HCT14? To je totiz secsacramentskej > rozdil. > > > > Quoting Jakub Michn?k : > > > > > >>tak podle toho co pises je to to same co sem udelal dneska ja. vymen v > >>twistrech 22p kondiky za 33p. ja sem taky 2 twistry postavil a nejel ani > >>jeden. vymenil sem kondiky na jednom a jel. na druhem sem vymenil jenom > >>jeden a jelo to. vcera sme to (asi po pul roce lezeni na skrini) > >>nainstalovali a nejelo. taky mam prosly asi 2 pakety z 5ti. vymenil sem > >>i ten druhy kondik a heureca. nez sem to nainstaloval tak sem asi 10x > >>hledal chybu a nevedel cim to je. nekdy to chodilo, nekdy proslo jenom > >>neco, nekdy nic .... > >> > >>Martin Posp??il napsal(a): > >> > >>>Zdrav?m v?echny na konferenci. > >>>Pot?eboval bych pomoct/poradit s t?mto probl?mem: > >>> > >>>Kompletn? sem postavil tetrapolis a v?e fungovalo na stole (bez > >>>?o?ek).Max. dosah byl sice asi 1m ale chodilo to. > >>>N?jakou dobu nebyl ?as na konstrukci trubek tak to chv?li le?elo.Zhruba > >>>po dvou t?dnech to znovu zkou??m a nic! > >>>Dlouho jsem hledal zavadu v p??jma??ch a vys?la??ch a kdy? > >>>jsem p??mo propojil twistery rx-tx a tx-rx tak jsem zjistil ?e > >>>neprojde ani jeden paket.Hledal jsem upaden? dr?t-m?m vzdu?nou > >>>konstrukci-ale nic jsem nena?el.V zoufal? snaze > >>>probl?m naj?t jsem podez?el? twister rozebral a? na stabiliz?tor,logick? > > >>>obvody p?ezkou?el log.sondou a znovu slo?il.Te? sem tam n?jak? paket > >>>projde,je to velice n?hodn?. > >>>N?kdy je ztr?tovost 45%,jindy 89%. Osciloskop nem?m a > >>>nev?m kde by mohla b?t chyba.P?ezkou?el jsem zda nem?m p?elomen? TP > >>>kabely z twister? ale jsou v po??dku. > >>>P?edem d?kuji za jakoukoliv pomoc. > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>>No virus found in this incoming message. > >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>>Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25.7.2005 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From supermaster at seznam.cz Thu Jul 28 01:11:36 2005 From: supermaster at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?super=20master?=) Date: Thu Jul 28 01:11:41 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20paketlos?= In-Reply-To: <002401c592d9$dec55500$0101a8c0@anmic> Message-ID: <5873.7622-7960-369046558-1122509496@seznam.cz> Nemuzes na jedne strane spoje nastavit HD a na druhe FD! Kdyz HD strana vysila, tak ji do toho zacne FD strana klidne taky vysilat a HD strana to vyhodnoti jako kolizi a obe vysilani stornuje! Nastav na obojim HD a pojede to dobre... From HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz Thu Jul 28 06:40:49 2005 From: HrubyRudolf at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Rudolf=20Hruby?=) Date: Thu Jul 28 06:40:55 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Nefunkcni=20RX?= In-Reply-To: <42E5E66D.30509@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <147.172-10396-1259226232-1122529249@seznam.cz> Moc dekuji za pomoc, mel jsem prohozene zapojeni 2N2 kondedenzatoru na vstupu NE592 :) > zkontroluj osazeni soucastek, hlavne zda nemas obracenou foto,ci jinou > diodu(dost casty problem) zapojeni kondenzatoru 2,2nF na vstupu NE592 > (rozdilovy zesilovac) pokud je zapojis obracene, tak to nefunguje, > twistr dostava pakety opacne polarity a trantzistory ,jestli jsi > neprohodil emitor za colector , preju hodne uspechu From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu Jul 28 09:11:18 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Jul 28 09:11:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] oprava ceny Message-ID: <42E89326.4010109@centrum.cz> muzete pls nekdo opravit udaj na WIKI o cene plosnaku od kohouta? stribreny Tx ani Rx uz nestoji 51Kc ale 63Kc. Neni to teda naky extra rozdil, ale mozna by se hodilo to opravit. Popr. dodat udaj ze dobirka stoji 80Kc. dik From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Jul 28 11:00:12 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Jul 28 11:00:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - koupe DPS Message-ID: <200507281200.31093@centrum.cz> Ahoj lidi. Tak jsem se rozhodl udelat linku k rodicum a nechce se mi delat AUI nebo tam davat ten muj vytvor 100Mbps. Ma nekdo tistaky na prodej? (prokov, nepajiva maska, potisk). HW revize vyssi nez  20040408  (oprava bugy). Docela specha...do Praglu i prijedu. Diky    -=RYS=- ------------- další část --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050728/29f4ecd0/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Thu Jul 28 17:14:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jul 28 17:14:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] oprava ceny In-Reply-To: <42E89326.4010109@centrum.cz> References: <42E89326.4010109@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050728161442.GA18685@kestrel> On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 10:11:18AM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > muzete pls nekdo opravit udaj na WIKI o cene plosnaku od kohouta? > stribreny Tx ani Rx uz nestoji 51Kc ale 63Kc. Neni to teda naky extra > rozdil, ale mozna by se hodilo to opravit. Popr. dodat udaj ze dobirka > stoji 80Kc. Nejaky problem Ti znemoznuje to opravit sam? CL< From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu Jul 28 17:55:34 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Jul 28 17:55:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] oprava ceny In-Reply-To: <20050728161442.GA18685@kestrel> References: <42E89326.4010109@centrum.cz> <20050728161442.GA18685@kestrel> Message-ID: <42E90E06.6090803@centrum.cz> a ja to muzu opravit? aha, tak to sory :) , ja tam zatim nic nepridaval ani tak a myslel sem ze to muze opravi treba jenom ten kdo to zalozil nebo neco v tom smyslu .... Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 10:11:18AM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > >>muzete pls nekdo opravit udaj na WIKI o cene plosnaku od kohouta? >>stribreny Tx ani Rx uz nestoji 51Kc ale 63Kc. Neni to teda naky extra >>rozdil, ale mozna by se hodilo to opravit. Popr. dodat udaj ze dobirka >>stoji 80Kc. > > > Nejaky problem Ti znemoznuje to opravit sam? > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From MaxPlanck at seznam.cz Thu Jul 28 18:41:39 2005 From: MaxPlanck at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Pavel=20Bazant?=) Date: Thu Jul 28 18:41:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Several questions Message-ID: <543.851-6324-1602956959-1122572499@seznam.cz> Hi all, I am new to this list, I hope the subscription is okay... A few years ago, I was trying to build a 100mbit FSO link, but I failed terribly. It always ended up with a lot of noise and ringing on the Tektronix's screen... I realized the 10mbit Ronja is sufficient and more flexible. This summer I started again thinking about this FSO stuff. I survived several math courses at MFF(physics), so now I have a lil bit better insight in these damned noise considerations. My idea is to develop a FSO link while staying shot noise limited. Nothing new, I know, but my optimization ideas include other issues as well, including the optics. I have no time to read the whole archive, so I'd like to ask somebody to answer to my question with Yes, Partially, No, Undefined or comment them if possible:-) Is there any exact calculation of emitter optics efficiency? (Numerical aperture, optimization for atmospherical limitations, compensation of the ring shaped light distribution of the diode) Has the idea of cutting the LED lens off already been discussed? Are there any calculations/experiments/ideas with ronja using those A4 fresnel lens for half blind people? Does anybody know an approximate price for a low-quality blazed reflection grating? Did anyone consider creating a slower but much more noise immune link (therefore significantly extending the range)? In the connection to the previous question, has the Shannon limit for coding gain been discussed? What about using turbo codes? What about using multilevel encoding? I suppose, it might help us get closer to the Shannon limit, cos the frequencies will be distributed more even. Did anybody try to build a ultra-low-noise $10 bootstrapped cascode front end? Thank ya very much. Bazant From mixaj at mymail.cz Thu Jul 28 19:40:47 2005 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Thu Jul 28 19:41:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Is Ronja considered to be waterproof? References: <20050727130039.GA7797@feanor> Message-ID: <000801c593a3$dfe423b0$d203a8c0@diablo> Make small hole in the botom of RONJA HEADS to prove the water leak out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Zajicek" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: [Ronja] Is Ronja considered to be waterproof? > Hello > > I Instaled two pairs of home-made Ronjas and i have problem > with water in two heads. I have standard 130mm tubular > heads (but without hood and heating) and use silicone > sealant according to the guide. During morning i found moisture at lens. > After opening the head i found that there is a lot of water inside. > > So my question is whether Ronja is considered to be waterproof (in this > case i > suggest adding some testing to building guide such as dipping cap with len > (or > maybe whole Ronja head ?) to water to test sealing with sealant). In case > not > to be considered being waterproof there is a question whether there > shouldn't > be some hole to drain away water. > > -- > Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > > Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: > santiago@njs.netlab.cz) > OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) > "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Jul 29 15:57:40 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Jul 29 15:57:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba na strance Message-ID: <200507291657.29341@centrum.cz> Ahoj Clocku, mas chybu na strankach  http://ronja.advel.cz   . Na strance:  http://ronja.advel.cz/console/perpendicular/ Si kliknu vlevo na na obrazek, a mas tam odklik na:  http://localhost/3d/perpends_2.png Podle meho by tam melo byt:   http://ronja.advel.cz/3d/perpends_2.png -=RYS=- ------------- další část --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050729/d0509b39/attachment.htm From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Jul 29 17:00:39 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Jul 29 17:01:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba na strance2 Message-ID: <200507291800.4250@centrum.cz> Ahoj Clocku, mas chybu na strankach   http://ronja.advel.cz   . Na strance:  http://ronja.advel.cz/console/chimney/building.php  se odkazujes na dokument:  http://ronja.advel.cz/drawings/eyelet.pdf   , ktery tam neni. Dopln si tam ten soubor eyelet.pdf . -=RYS=- ------------- další část --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050729/7d9ea504/attachment.htm From korda.m at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 09:30:08 2005 From: korda.m at gmail.com (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Jul 30 09:30:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "Oslepena" Ronja Message-ID: Zdravim. Mame problem na nasem spoji s vypadkem spoje rano a vecer nejspis vlivem slunce. Dnes rano to bylo asi od 8 do 10, vecer to jeste presneji vypozoruji, ale je to kolem sedme. Jedna strana spoje miri na severozapad, druha tedy na jihovychod. Slunecni stitky mame.. Dik za jakoukoli radu :) From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat Jul 30 09:48:45 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sat Jul 30 09:48:52 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "Oslepena" Ronja In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050730084845.GA7337@feanor> On Sat, Jul 30, 2005 at 10:30:08AM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Zdravim. Mame problem na nasem spoji s vypadkem spoje rano a vecer > nejspis vlivem slunce. Dnes rano to bylo asi od 8 do 10, vecer to > jeste presneji vypozoruji, ale je to kolem sedme. Jedna strana spoje > miri na severozapad, druha tedy na jihovychod. Slunecni stitky mame.. > Dik za jakoukoli radu :) Take mame podobny problem (vypadky rano a vecer), ale my nemame stity ani zacerneny vnitrek a doufame, ze to stity vyresi. U nas je ledka ozarena odrazem slunce o vnitrni stenu rxka. Vylez na strechu behem vypadku s kusem neceho nepruhlednehu, podivej se do cocky rxka, nejspis uvidis odraz slunce dopadajici na ledku a zkus umistit to neco nepruhledne tak, aby zaclonilo slunce, ale nezaclonilo Ronju. A pak prislusne upravit stit. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Jul 30 10:21:23 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Jul 30 10:21:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Uprav si web Message-ID: <200507301121.26341@centrum.cz> Ahoj Clocku, pri stahovani z tvych stranek jsem objevil jeste jednu "vadu". Ono to je spise vada v mem prohlizeci IE6 ver6.0 co mam v notesu (nemuzu si vybirat, dostal jsem to s XP) nez ze by to byla skutecne vada, ale staci drobna uprava z tve strany a usetris trapeni uzivatelum WINxxxxx.   O co jde, v odkazu na Twister :  http://ronja.advel.cz/twister/pcb.php   je mozne si stahnout a ulozit ruzna schemata tistaku i v PNG formatu, tak jsem si klikl na ruzne odkazy...treba: http://ronja.advel.cz/schematics/twister.pcb.output_frontmask_big.png    a dal ulozit. Po spusteni Total Commandera jsem najel na adresar kam jsem si to ulozil. A ten "krava" Windows si to ulozit jako neznamy soubor s nazvem: twister.pcb.output_frontmask_big   misto twister.pcb.output_frontmask_big.png , zkratka jakmile zjistil, ze je tam "vic tecek", tak je to pro nej neznamy soubor a nedal za to pri ukladani ten .png  . Rucne jsem doplnil .png a uz je to v poradku. Tak mam k tobe zadost pro nas "Widlare", muzes ty tecky nahradit podtrzitkama ( _ ) v celem webu ? Diky i za ostatni.   Martin  -=RYS=-   PS: budu stavet klasiku 130mm/ 630nm na F4000 s par rozdilama: Misto cokolad chci dat konektory, predevsim na "zadky" rour a spodku venkovni krabice co bude na stozaru s rourama (bude v ni twister, pojistka, ETH trafo, PoE....abych "dolu" vedl 40m UTP). Ty konekory maj vyhodu, kdyz neco nepojede, tak na strese vymenim za jinou rouru okamzite, bez rozebirani. Ty konektory jsou specialni (z radaru MIG29) vicepinove (6pinu) a kazdy pin ma sve stineni. 130cm kabelu mezi rourama a konektorem na krabici Twistera je koaxialni (75ohmu) a kazda zila ma vlastni stineni a stredovej prurez (medena licna) ma 0.95mm , takze proud to utahne.   Dal chci v RX i TX udelat drobnou upravu v napajeni. Misto plastovych pruchodek tam dam cinch koliky a misto vzdusne civky v plechove krabicce dam 7812 (TO220) 1A , zjistil jsem ze to ma sve vyhody: 1) odstrani to VF vruchy na napajeni 2) bude to mit vzdy presne 12V  (na vstup napajeni bude 15V)   Vse nafotim, popisu a dam na web. Pak ty fotky muzes dat do galerie. Budu stavet 2 linky, jednu k rodicum (176m / 130mm cocka TX/RX s F4000) a druhou pro znameho z ISP. Potrebujou 2km. Takze TX 2x tubus 130mm s F4000 a na RX prijde 20cm fresnelka s "rostem" (popsal jsem v jinem prispevku). U tohodle druheho spoje chci vyzkouset muj "power hack" SFH2030. Pomoci 4ks NE555 a nekolika C,D,R je mozne vymacknou z SFH2030 vetsi citlivost. Zatim jsem testoval prijimac s touto upravou na 4600m.   ------------- další část --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050730/18f6e434/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Sun Jul 31 11:03:49 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jul 31 11:04:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "Oslepena" Ronja In-Reply-To: <20050730084845.GA7337@feanor> References: <20050730084845.GA7337@feanor> Message-ID: <20050731100349.GA24335@kestrel> On Sat, Jul 30, 2005 at 10:48:45AM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > On Sat, Jul 30, 2005 at 10:30:08AM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > Zdravim. Mame problem na nasem spoji s vypadkem spoje rano a vecer > > nejspis vlivem slunce. Dnes rano to bylo asi od 8 do 10, vecer to > > jeste presneji vypozoruji, ale je to kolem sedme. Jedna strana spoje > > miri na severozapad, druha tedy na jihovychod. Slunecni stitky mame.. > > Dik za jakoukoli radu :) Mate zacerneny vnitrek? CL From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sun Jul 31 12:20:15 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sun Jul 31 12:20:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Is Ronja considered to be waterproof? In-Reply-To: <000801c593a3$dfe423b0$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <20050727130039.GA7797@feanor> <000801c593a3$dfe423b0$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20050731112015.GA9251@feanor> On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:40:47PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Make small hole in the botom of RONJA HEADS to prove the water leak out. But then silica gel is not useful, because it will humify early by new moisture coming in through holes. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Sun Jul 31 12:27:34 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Sun Jul 31 12:53:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - koupe DPS References: <200507281200.31093@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <00aa01c595c2$d93f5e50$0201a8c0@s566mzp1m0> mam, vymenim za rxtx ----- Original Message ----- From: -=RYS=- To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: [Ronja] Twister - koupe DPS Ahoj lidi. Tak jsem se rozhodl udelat linku k rodicum a nechce se mi delat AUI nebo tam davat ten muj vytvor 100Mbps. Ma nekdo tistaky na prodej? (prokov, nepajiva maska, potisk). HW revize vyssi nez 20040408 (oprava bugy). Docela specha...do Praglu i prijedu. Diky -=RYS=- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------- další část --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050731/ece4a831/attachment.htm From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Sun Jul 31 12:40:41 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Sun Jul 31 15:18:46 2005 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_probl=E9m_s_twistery?= References: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun><42E7C654.4070800@centrum.cz><1122486136.42e7c778cc097@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><42E7CA9C.3020109@centrum.cz> <1122492465.42e7e031eb07e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <000401c595da$c1c50190$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Mozna tohle nebude tvuj problem ale vim ze nekdo to tu taky uz resil, tak pridavam svoje zkusenosti. S twisterem mam taky takovy mensi problem, kdyz je testuji pripojenim rxtx a gnd. Propojenim pomoci tp kabelu jsem mel brutal ztraty, a rychlsot kolem 200kB , nakonec se mi nejakym zpusobem z toho povedlo dostat i 800kB, tak jsem si rikal ze si predelam vyvody z PCB (lamaci listy atd), vycistim PCB prophyl alcoholem a ze to bude lepsi.Ani nahodou ! Propojil jsem rx tx 50ohm kvalitnim koaxem, zem zvlast a skoro to neslo. Propojil jsem to tp kabelem a taky to skoro neslo, pary od kazde zily v tp jsem spojil a pouzil jako propojeni gnd a najednou pingy absolutne beze ztraty, ale rychlost nejakyx 60-100kB :( Udelal jsem tedy to same s koaxem a pingy taky 100% a packety nepadaly ani pri zatizeni, bohuzel ale rychost stejne nizka , kolem 100kB. Tusi nekdo co delame spatne ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] probl?m s twistery HCT maj trochu jiny rozhodovaci urovne. Mel jsem tady dva twistery kde byly 74HC14 a symptomy to melo stejne. Jeste jestli mel borec spravne propojene zeme. Testovaci kompy a zdroje pro twistery to chce napajet z jedne prodluzovacky, jinak se nekdy deji veci. Jeste by to mohlo byt prohazenyma zilama v UTPcku. Pokud se to pichne do inteligentniho switche, tak sem tam neco projde jak se snazi nastavit polaritu podle paketu. Sam jsem uz osadil vice jak 20 twisteru a musim rict ze vsechny fungovaly na prvni zapojeni. Problemy co jsem mel: 1) Otoceny stabilizator (no letujte neco kolem pulnoci) 2) Spatne nakrimpovany UTP konektor - ohmetrem premereno dobry. Po zapojeni do sitarny nic. Od ty doby kupuju hotove patch kabely a je klid. 3) Tlumivka. GESaci me dali jiny typ a ten mel moc velky odpor. Quoting Jakub Michn?k : > uz to mam zakrytovane ale sips tam sou HC ... HCT vic zerou? > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > > A u tech kondiku mas svab 74HC14 nebo 74HCT14? To je totiz > > secsacramentskej > rozdil. > > > > Quoting Jakub Michn?k : > > > > > >>tak podle toho co pises je to to same co sem udelal dneska ja. vymen v > >>twistrech 22p kondiky za 33p. ja sem taky 2 twistry postavil a nejel ani > >>jeden. vymenil sem kondiky na jednom a jel. na druhem sem vymenil jenom > >>jeden a jelo to. vcera sme to (asi po pul roce lezeni na skrini) > >>nainstalovali a nejelo. taky mam prosly asi 2 pakety z 5ti. vymenil sem > >>i ten druhy kondik a heureca. nez sem to nainstaloval tak sem asi 10x > >>hledal chybu a nevedel cim to je. nekdy to chodilo, nekdy proslo jenom > >>neco, nekdy nic .... > >> > >>Martin Posp??il napsal(a): > >> > >>>Zdrav?m v?echny na konferenci. > >>>Pot?eboval bych pomoct/poradit s t?mto probl?mem: > >>> > >>>Kompletn? sem postavil tetrapolis a v?e fungovalo na stole (bez > >>>?o?ek).Max. dosah byl sice asi 1m ale chodilo to. > >>>N?jakou dobu nebyl ?as na konstrukci trubek tak to chv?li le?elo.Zhruba > >>>po dvou t?dnech to znovu zkou??m a nic! > >>>Dlouho jsem hledal zavadu v p??jma??ch a vys?la??ch a kdy? > >>>jsem p??mo propojil twistery rx-tx a tx-rx tak jsem zjistil ?e > >>>neprojde ani jeden paket.Hledal jsem upaden? dr?t-m?m vzdu?nou > >>>konstrukci-ale nic jsem nena?el.V zoufal? snaze > >>>probl?m naj?t jsem podez?el? twister rozebral a? na > >>>stabiliz?tor,logick? > > >>>obvody p?ezkou?el log.sondou a znovu slo?il.Te? sem tam n?jak? paket > >>>projde,je to velice n?hodn?. > >>>N?kdy je ztr?tovost 45%,jindy 89%. Osciloskop nem?m a > >>>nev?m kde by mohla b?t chyba.P?ezkou?el jsem zda nem?m p?elomen? TP > >>>kabely z twister? ale jsou v po??dku. > >>>P?edem d?kuji za jakoukoliv pomoc. > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>>No virus found in this incoming message. > >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>>Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25.7.2005 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sun Jul 31 23:06:41 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sun Jul 31 21:05:56 2005 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?=5BRonja=5D_probl=C3=A9m_s_twistery?= In-Reply-To: <000401c595da$c1c50190$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun><42E7C654.4070800@centrum.cz><1122486136.42e7c778cc097@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><42E7CA9C.3020109@centrum.cz> <1122492465.42e7e031eb07e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <000401c595da$c1c50190$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: A zkousel si treba propojit ty PC jen normalne TP kabelem bez twisteru? Mel jsem totiz podobny problem a nakonec to bylo pomalym diskem na notebooku. On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:40:41 +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > Mozna tohle nebude tvuj problem ale vim ze nekdo to tu taky uz resil, > tak pridavam svoje zkusenosti. > S twisterem mam taky takovy mensi problem, kdyz je testuji pripojenim > rxtx a gnd. > Propojenim pomoci tp kabelu jsem mel brutal ztraty, a rychlsot kolem > 200kB , nakonec se mi nejakym zpusobem z toho povedlo dostat i 800kB, > tak jsem si rikal ze si predelam vyvody z PCB (lamaci listy atd), > vycistim PCB prophyl alcoholem a ze to bude lepsi.Ani nahodou ! > Propojil jsem rx tx 50ohm kvalitnim koaxem, zem zvlast a skoro to neslo. > Propojil jsem to tp kabelem a taky to skoro neslo, pary od kazde zily v > tp jsem spojil a pouzil jako propojeni gnd a najednou pingy absolutne > beze ztraty, ale rychlost nejakyx 60-100kB :( Udelal jsem tedy to same s > koaxem a pingy taky 100% a packety nepadaly ani pri zatizeni, bohuzel > ale rychost stejne nizka , kolem 100kB. > Tusi nekdo co delame spatne ?? From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Sun Jul 31 21:10:48 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Sun Jul 31 21:10:47 2005 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_probl=C3=A9m_s_twistery?= References: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun><42E7C654.4070800@centrum.cz><1122486136.42e7c778cc097@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><42E7CA9C.3020109@centrum.cz><1122492465.42e7e031eb07e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><000401c595da$c1c50190$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <001501c5960b$f149a7f0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> je tedy pravda ze ten disk v notesu asi vic jak 10mega neudela, ale 100kB je hodne malo a bezne jsem na tom kopiroval po siti 1000kB a vic :(( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Strnad" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] probl??m s twistery A zkousel si treba propojit ty PC jen normalne TP kabelem bez twisteru? Mel jsem totiz podobny problem a nakonec to bylo pomalym diskem na notebooku. On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:40:41 +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > Mozna tohle nebude tvuj problem ale vim ze nekdo to tu taky uz resil, tak > pridavam svoje zkusenosti. > S twisterem mam taky takovy mensi problem, kdyz je testuji pripojenim > rxtx a gnd. > Propojenim pomoci tp kabelu jsem mel brutal ztraty, a rychlsot kolem > 200kB , nakonec se mi nejakym zpusobem z toho povedlo dostat i 800kB, tak > jsem si rikal ze si predelam vyvody z PCB (lamaci listy atd), vycistim > PCB prophyl alcoholem a ze to bude lepsi.Ani nahodou ! > Propojil jsem rx tx 50ohm kvalitnim koaxem, zem zvlast a skoro to neslo. > Propojil jsem to tp kabelem a taky to skoro neslo, pary od kazde zily v > tp jsem spojil a pouzil jako propojeni gnd a najednou pingy absolutne > beze ztraty, ale rychlost nejakyx 60-100kB :( Udelal jsem tedy to same s > koaxem a pingy taky 100% a packety nepadaly ani pri zatizeni, bohuzel ale > rychost stejne nizka , kolem 100kB. > Tusi nekdo co delame spatne ?? _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sun Jul 31 23:13:45 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sun Jul 31 21:12:49 2005 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?=5BRonja=5D_probl=C3=83=C2=A9m_s_twister?= =?utf-8?Q?y?= In-Reply-To: <001501c5960b$f149a7f0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> References: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun><42E7C654.4070800@centrum.cz><1122486136.42e7c778cc097@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><42E7CA9C.3020109@centrum.cz><1122492465.42e7e031eb07e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><000401c595da$c1c50190$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> <001501c5960b$f149a7f0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: A jak se to chova treba pri hodne velkym pingu(treba 16384 bytu) nebo pri floodpingu? On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:10:48 +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > je tedy pravda ze ten disk v notesu asi vic jak 10mega neudela, ale > 100kB je hodne malo a bezne jsem na tom kopiroval po siti 1000kB a vic > :(( From srnkap at extranetplus.cz Sun Jul 31 21:28:18 2005 From: srnkap at extranetplus.cz (Pavel Srnka) Date: Sun Jul 31 21:28:22 2005 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_probl=C3f=C2=A9m_s_twistery?= References: <002d01c592d0$abe03e60$40e35ad4@lokodepotuhoun><42E7C654.4070800@centrum.cz><1122486136.42e7c778cc097@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><42E7CA9C.3020109@centrum.cz><1122492465.42e7e031eb07e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><000401c595da$c1c50190$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0><001501c5960b$f149a7f0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> Message-ID: <000801c5960e$6327abe0$f2464d3e@s566mzp1m0> nezkousel , na flood atam nemam linux, ale tipoval bych ze to bude dropovat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Strnad" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] probl?f??m s twistery A jak se to chova treba pri hodne velkym pingu(treba 16384 bytu) nebo pri floodpingu? On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:10:48 +0200, Pavel Srnka wrote: > je tedy pravda ze ten disk v notesu asi vic jak 10mega neudela, ale 100kB > je hodne malo a bezne jsem na tom kopiroval po siti 1000kB a vic :(( _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja