From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 1 13:05:58 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jan 1 13:06:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus released Message-ID: <20050101130558.GB10438@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Ronja Nebulus & co. have been released. The following modules became available: Nebulus - infrared transmitter Inferno - infrared Ronja Benchpress - measurement bench Audiofire - measurement bench receiver Starquake - measurement bench transmitter Ledholder - measurement bench LED holder Hertz - signal generator 1, 5, 10, 20 MHz Inferno Receiver - infrared receiver (just a tiny modification) The range graphs were remade: http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php And there is a collection of graphs regarding eye safety in the infrared system according to 480/2000 Col.: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/safety.pdf Cl< From Korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Jan 1 15:02:51 2005 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Jan 1 15:03:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus released References: <20050101130558.GB10438@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c4f012$f70d0640$02086b0a@atintel> Muzou byt Audiofire, Starquake a Hertz postaveny na tistaku nebo jen vzdusne? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus released > Hello > > Ronja Nebulus & co. have been released. > The following modules became available: > > Nebulus - infrared transmitter > Inferno - infrared Ronja > Benchpress - measurement bench > Audiofire - measurement bench receiver > Starquake - measurement bench transmitter > Ledholder - measurement bench LED holder > > Hertz - signal generator 1, 5, 10, 20 MHz > > Inferno Receiver - infrared receiver (just a tiny modification) > > The range graphs were remade: > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > > And there is a collection of graphs regarding eye safety in the infrared > system according to 480/2000 Col.: > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/safety.pdf > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sat Jan 1 19:09:15 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sat Jan 1 19:06:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Inferno - zamerovani, 130mm cocky In-Reply-To: <20041231194927.GA18775@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41D5A94D.8010009@tiscali.cz> <20041231194927.GA18775@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41D6F55B.4040705@tiscali.cz> Fajn. Chci se jeste zeptat, jestli se muze do Rx pouzit fotodioda SFH203FA. Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 08:32:29PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > > >>Zdravim, chystame se ted s kamaradem postavit spoj s Ronjou Inferno na >>vzdalenost 1.2km. A neumim si predstavit, jak se to bude zamerovat. To >> >> > >I have added more description about the nightshot mode and camcorder >here: > >http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/installing.php > >Camcorder is more sensitive than human eye. Human eye has quantum efficiency of >10%. (http://wfc3.gsfc.nasa.gov/MARCONI/basic.html) Camcorder has CCD which >has about 75%. With the nightshot feature you can see better than by eye. >Therefore it should be seen even better that visible beam by naked eye. > >Camcorder has also much larger input aperture than eye and has also >a powerful zoom feature which works like binoculars for you. > > > >>je jedna vec. Druha vec se tyka toho, ze jsem nedavno nakoupil 16 130mm >>cocek a 90mm(na vysilac) nemuzu nikde sehnat. Jaky velky dopad na dosah >>by melo pouziti jen 130mm cocek na vysilac i prijmac? >>Diky. >> >> > >Check here: >http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php >The launch intensity of 90mm and 130mm with HSDL4230 is the same. So it >doesn't matter if you replace 90mm with 130mm. It will just be bigger and >heavier. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Jan 1 19:43:10 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Jan 1 19:44:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Inferno - zamerovani, 130mm cocky References: <41D5A94D.8010009@tiscali.cz> <20041231194927.GA18775@beton.cybernet.src> <41D6F55B.4040705@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <000601c4f03a$1fe09d80$0101a8c0@cz> http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/ Jsem delal pred rokem. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Strnad" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Inferno - zamerovani, 130mm cocky > Fajn. Chci se jeste zeptat, jestli se muze do Rx pouzit fotodioda SFH203FA. > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 08:32:29PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > > > > > >>Zdravim, chystame se ted s kamaradem postavit spoj s Ronjou Inferno na > >>vzdalenost 1.2km. A neumim si predstavit, jak se to bude zamerovat. To > >> > >> > > > >I have added more description about the nightshot mode and camcorder > >here: > > > >http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/installing.php > > > >Camcorder is more sensitive than human eye. Human eye has quantum efficiency of > >10%. (http://wfc3.gsfc.nasa.gov/MARCONI/basic.html) Camcorder has CCD which > >has about 75%. With the nightshot feature you can see better than by eye. > >Therefore it should be seen even better that visible beam by naked eye. > > > >Camcorder has also much larger input aperture than eye and has also > >a powerful zoom feature which works like binoculars for you. > > > > > > > >>je jedna vec. Druha vec se tyka toho, ze jsem nedavno nakoupil 16 130mm > >>cocek a 90mm(na vysilac) nemuzu nikde sehnat. Jaky velky dopad na dosah > >>by melo pouziti jen 130mm cocek na vysilac i prijmac? > >>Diky. > >> > >> > > > >Check here: > >http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > >The launch intensity of 90mm and 130mm with HSDL4230 is the same. So it > >doesn't matter if you replace 90mm with 130mm. It will just be bigger and > >heavier. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 1 20:47:01 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jan 1 20:47:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Inferno - zamerovani, 130mm cocky In-Reply-To: <41D6F55B.4040705@tiscali.cz> References: <41D5A94D.8010009@tiscali.cz> <20041231194927.GA18775@beton.cybernet.src> <41D6F55B.4040705@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <20050101204701.GB11370@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 08:09:15PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > Fajn. Chci se jeste zeptat, jestli se muze do Rx pouzit fotodioda SFH203FA. Yes. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 1 20:48:05 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jan 1 20:48:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus released In-Reply-To: <000701c4f012$f70d0640$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20050101130558.GB10438@beton.cybernet.src> <000701c4f012$f70d0640$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20050101204805.GA11391@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 04:02:51PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > Muzou byt Audiofire, Starquake a Hertz postaveny na tistaku nebo jen > vzdusne? The guide has only airwire construction. Cl< From Korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Jan 1 21:17:59 2005 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Jan 1 21:18:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus released References: <20050101130558.GB10438@beton.cybernet.src><000701c4f012$f70d0640$02086b0a@atintel> <20050101204805.GA11391@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000f01c4f047$5f167cb0$02086b0a@atintel> No a myslis, ze by to na tistaku fungovalo? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nebulus released > On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 04:02:51PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >> Muzou byt Audiofire, Starquake a Hertz postaveny na tistaku nebo jen >> vzdusne? > > The guide has only airwire construction. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sun Jan 2 08:55:51 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Sun Jan 2 08:56:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus released In-Reply-To: <000f01c4f047$5f167cb0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20050101130558.GB10438@beton.cybernet.src><000701c4f012$f70d0640$02086b0a@atintel> <20050101204805.GA11391@beton.cybernet.src> <000f01c4f047$5f167cb0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: Myslim, ze jsou to celkem jednoduchy zapojeni, takze by problem byt nemel ROOTen On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:17:59 +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > No a myslis, ze by to na tistaku fungovalo? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nebulus released > > >> On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 04:02:51PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >>> Muzou byt Audiofire, Starquake a Hertz postaveny na tistaku nebo jen >>> vzdusne? >> The guide has only airwire construction. >> Cl< >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From Korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Jan 2 09:03:55 2005 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Jan 2 09:04:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus released References: <20050101130558.GB10438@beton.cybernet.src><000701c4f012$f70d0640$02086b0a@atintel><20050101204805.GA11391@beton.cybernet.src><000f01c4f047$5f167cb0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <000501c4f0a9$fcf15470$02086b0a@atintel> To jo, asi kvuli tomu ani nema cenu navrhovat tistak :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Dvo??k" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nebulus released > Myslim, ze jsou to celkem jednoduchy zapojeni, takze by problem byt nemel > > ROOTen > > On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:17:59 +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > >> No a myslis, ze by to na tistaku fungovalo? >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nebulus released >> >> >>> On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 04:02:51PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >>>> Muzou byt Audiofire, Starquake a Hertz postaveny na tistaku nebo jen >>>> vzdusne? >>> The guide has only airwire construction. >>> Cl< >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sun Jan 2 09:06:55 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Sun Jan 2 09:07:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus released In-Reply-To: <000501c4f0a9$fcf15470$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20050101130558.GB10438@beton.cybernet.src><000701c4f012$f70d0640$02086b0a@atintel><20050101204805.GA11391@beton.cybernet.src><000f01c4f047$5f167cb0$02086b0a@atintel> <000501c4f0a9$fcf15470$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: v tom pripade nevim proc ses ptal :P ROOTen On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:03:55 +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > To jo, asi kvuli tomu ani nema cenu navrhovat tistak :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Dvo??k" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nebulus released > > >> Myslim, ze jsou to celkem jednoduchy zapojeni, takze by problem byt >> nemel >> >> ROOTen >> >> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:17:59 +0100, Milan Korda >> wrote: >> >>> No a myslis, ze by to na tistaku fungovalo? >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" >>> >>> To: "Twibright Ronja" >>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nebulus released >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 04:02:51PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >>>>> Muzou byt Audiofire, Starquake a Hertz postaveny na tistaku nebo jen >>>>> vzdusne? >>>> The guide has only airwire construction. >>>> Cl< >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ronja mailing list >>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From Korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Jan 2 09:27:27 2005 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Jan 2 09:28:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus released References: <20050101130558.GB10438@beton.cybernet.src><000701c4f012$f70d0640$02086b0a@atintel><20050101204805.GA11391@beton.cybernet.src><000f01c4f047$5f167cb0$02086b0a@atintel> <000501c4f0a9$fcf15470$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <000b01c4f0ad$46a9ad30$02086b0a@atintel> Ze zvedavosti :) A u toho HERTZu by to uz plosnak asi chtelo :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Dvo??k" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nebulus released >v tom pripade nevim proc ses ptal :P > > ROOTen > > On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:03:55 +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > >> To jo, asi kvuli tomu ani nema cenu navrhovat tistak :) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Petr Dvo??k" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nebulus released >> >> >>> Myslim, ze jsou to celkem jednoduchy zapojeni, takze by problem byt >>> nemel >>> >>> ROOTen >>> >>> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:17:59 +0100, Milan Korda >>> wrote: >>> >>>> No a myslis, ze by to na tistaku fungovalo? >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" >>>> >>>> To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:48 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nebulus released >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 04:02:51PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >>>>>> Muzou byt Audiofire, Starquake a Hertz postaveny na tistaku nebo jen >>>>>> vzdusne? >>>>> The guide has only airwire construction. >>>>> Cl< >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ronja mailing list >>>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ronja mailing list >>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Jan 2 13:44:52 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Jan 2 13:45:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] cpld_twister autonegotiation In-Reply-To: References: <200412291756.57930.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200412302359.39431.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200501021444.52608.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Friday 31 December 2004 09:10, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > toto bude implementovano do xilinxoveho twistera? Uz je, jak jsem napsal. XC9572XL je plny asi z 80%. Chodi to ale jeste je chyba na strane buzeni TP traficka. Proste se ty kratky pulsiky castecne odfiltrujou a sitovka ty data v tom flp burstu neprecte trikrat po sobe stejne. Casovani mam na 98% spravne podle normy, ty 2% si nechavam na moznost, ze jsem ve verilogu napsal neco jinyho, nez jsem chtel . > > ROOTen > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:59:39 +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > CZ: Autonegotiaton mi chodi, zatim tak, ze to trva dloho, az 10s nez > > sitovka > > zdetekuje linku, ale svym zpusobem je to uz uspech. > > Problem ted vidim v ne uplne korektnim buzeni TP kabelu. vypad? to, ze ne > > kazdy flp burst projde v poradku a musi prijit alespon tri v rade > > spravne aby > > byla linka detekovana. > > Zacinam hledat lepsi reseni. > > > > EN: I have partial succes with autonegotiation, link with correct > > parameters > > is always established, but it takes up to 10secs until it happens. > > It seems to be problem in non_really_correct driving of TP cable. > > There must be receptions of the exact same data in three flp bursts, to > > detect > > the line and because of small duty of flp pulses it fails on analog > > distortion. > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Mon Jan 3 09:44:59 2005 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Mon Jan 3 09:45:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: CPLD interface Message-ID: If your FLP burst gets filtered, then make pulses a bit wider! But maybe you did something else wrong, because in my miniTP AVR interface, which is available for download, pulses are not filtered no matter I use TP traficko or not! And I got autonegotiation working :) p.s. I have inspected the Clock's Twister schematic and concluded that with slight modification it could also support autonegotiation as my AVR could be integrated into it... Silvije --------------------- www.silvije.tk From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 3 17:58:16 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jan 3 17:58:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki upgraded Message-ID: <20050103175816.GA3336@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Ronja Twiki has been upgraded (due to security vulnerability). I have just crudely tested possibility to adding and it seems to work fine. If you get a feeling the wiki suddenly stopped working, please report. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jan 3 18:06:52 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jan 3 18:07:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: CPLD interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200501031906.53157.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Monday 03 January 2005 10:44, Silvije wrote: > If your FLP burst gets filtered, then make pulses a bit wider! > But maybe you did something else wrong, because in my > miniTP AVR interface, which is available for download, pulses are not > filtered no matter I use TP traficko or not! > > And I got autonegotiation working :) > > p.s. I have inspected the Clock's Twister schematic and concluded that > with slight modification it could also support autonegotiation as > my AVR could be integrated into it... > I was thinking about it last night and you are right, there must be another problem instead of filtering flp pulses. Are available sources of AVR software too. For a look on your output waveform. I love AVR micros, but i am trying to build interface with minimal count of components. If is possible to fit autoneg function into allready used programmable logic chip, than i not want to append AVR nor any other. Squelching idle and link itegrity signals and switching data by an microcontroller is bad idea for me because of its un-asynchronity. Then if i want to decrease the chip count, i vote for CPLD. Jakub Ladman From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jan 3 18:40:38 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jan 3 18:41:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: CPLD interface In-Reply-To: <200501031906.53157.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200501031906.53157.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200501031940.39132.ladmanj@volny.cz> > > Are available sources of AVR software too. Sorry: Are the sources of AVR software available too? Now i thing that are not. In this case, is it for me unusable. Jakub Ladman From Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= Wed Jan 5 15:13:35 2005 From: Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= ) Date: Wed Jan 5 15:14:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? Message-ID: chci se zeptat jak je daleko uvolneni te verze interfacu s xilinxem. hlavne stim co umi auonegotation....??? bude to uz brzo? mam na nej pockat nebo mam udela este stareho twistra??? From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Jan 5 22:28:33 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Jan 5 22:29:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200501052328.33515.ladmanj@volny.cz> Brzo nemuzu zarucit. I pres to, ze to beru tak, ze se na tom bude dale pracovat kolektivne, nechci uvolnit neco, cimz bych si urizl ostudu. Tak jak to je, je to sice uz pouzitelne, ale na uvolneni to bohuzel jeste neni. Jakub Ladman On Wednesday 05 January 2005 16:13, Jakub Michn?k" @relay2.volny.cz wrote: > chci se zeptat jak je daleko uvolneni te verze interfacu s xilinxem. hlavne > stim co umi auonegotation....??? bude to uz brzo? mam na nej pockat nebo > mam udela este stareho twistra??? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Jan 6 04:00:17 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Jan 6 04:02:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? References: Message-ID: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> Rekl bych, ze Silvije to ma na svych strankach uz hodne dlouho. Umi to autonegation, ale zatim neumi auto MDX/MDXi. www.silvije.tk -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? > chci se zeptat jak je daleko uvolneni te verze interfacu s xilinxem. hlavne stim co umi auonegotation....??? bude to uz brzo? mam na nej pockat nebo mam udela este stareho twistra??? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jan 6 07:25:26 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jan 6 07:26:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200501060825.26955.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Thursday 06 January 2005 05:00, -=RYS=- wrote: > Rekl bych, ze Silvije to ma na svych strankach uz hodne dlouho. Jo to ma, ale na muj vkus je tam jeste furt prebroukovano. Auto MDX / MDXi, nen? takov? legrace, ud?lat by to sice ?lo, ale n?klady by podle m? byly p??li? vysok? (sice ne finan?n?, ale obvod by se celkem nep??jem? zeslo?itil a po?et sou??stek narostl) Na m?m iface bude na to p?ep?na?. Mo?n? v budoucnu automatick? p?ep?n?n? p?ibybe, ale zat?m to nepl?nuji. Jakub From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 6 08:55:36 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 6 08:55:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: <200501060825.26955.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> <200501060825.26955.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050106085536.GB1617@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:25:26AM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Thursday 06 January 2005 05:00, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Rekl bych, ze Silvije to ma na svych strankach uz hodne dlouho. > > Jo to ma, ale na muj vkus je tam jeste furt prebroukovano. > Auto MDX / MDXi, nen? takov? legrace, ud?lat by to sice ?lo, ale n?klady by > podle m? byly p??li? vysok? (sice ne finan?n?, ale obvod by se celkem Sehnal jsi k tomu nejakej pokec? Pochopil jsi, jak to funguje? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 6 10:24:45 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 6 10:24:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050106102445.GA2142@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 05:00:17AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Rekl bych, ze Silvije to ma na svych strankach uz hodne dlouho. > Umi to autonegation, ale zatim neumi auto MDX/MDXi. > www.silvije.tk Unless it has been changed since fairly recently, the sources for the firmware are deliberatley not published, therefore the aforementioned device is offtopic on this list: "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects other than Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php Cl< > > -=RYS=- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:13 PM > Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? > > > > chci se zeptat jak je daleko uvolneni te verze interfacu s xilinxem. > hlavne stim co umi auonegotation....??? bude to uz brzo? mam na nej pockat > nebo mam udela este stareho twistra??? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From bobriks at volny.cz Thu Jan 6 11:30:03 2005 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Thu Jan 6 11:30:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: <20050106102445.GA2142@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> <20050106102445.GA2142@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <46547728f91f3747ab74dbbf13aadbd5@www1.mail.volny.cz> > Unless it has been changed since fairly recently, > the sources for the firmware are deliberatley > not published, therefore the aforementioned > device is offtopic on this list: > > "This list is not for presentation of optical communication > projects other than Ronja that don't publish the sources > at the moment of the post." > http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php > > Cl< > And what about to afford a space for collecting the aforementioned device's sponsorship at http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php ? Is there any limit for the devices made only by Twibright Labs on that page? Standa -- A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 6 11:35:54 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 6 11:35:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: <46547728f91f3747ab74dbbf13aadbd5@www1.mail.volny.cz> References: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> <20050106102445.GA2142@beton.cybernet.src> <46547728f91f3747ab74dbbf13aadbd5@www1.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050106113554.GA2980@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:30:03PM +0100, Standa Bobrik wrote: > > Unless it has been changed since fairly recently, > > the sources for the firmware are deliberatley > > not published, therefore the aforementioned > > device is offtopic on this list: > > > > "This list is not for presentation of optical communication > > projects other than Ronja that don't publish the sources > > at the moment of the post." > > http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php > > > > Cl< > > > > And what about to afford a space for collecting > the aforementioned device's sponsorship at > http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php ? > Is there any limit for the devices > made only by Twibright Labs > on that page? "This list is not for fundraising for other projects (even GPL)." http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php Cl< From Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= Thu Jan 6 13:18:51 2005 From: Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= ) Date: Thu Jan 6 13:19:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Jakub Ladman > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:25:26 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 05:00, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Rekl bych, ze Silvije to ma na svych strankach uz hodne dlouho. > > Jo to ma, ale na muj vkus je tam jeste furt prebroukovano. > Auto MDX / MDXi, co to je? soude podle toho ze na to budes mit prepinas tusim ze to je "automaticke krizeni kablu" vlastne to co je v twistru na prepinacich. nebo se mylim? :) nen? takov? legrace, ud?lat by to sice ?lo, ale n?klady by > podle m? byly p??li? vysok? (sice ne finan?n?, ale obvod by se celkem > nep??jem? zeslo?itil a po?et sou??stek narostl) > Na m?m iface bude na to p?ep?na?. Mo?n? v budoucnu automatick? p?ep?n?n? > p?ibybe, ale zat?m to nepl?nuji. > > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From bobriks at volny.cz Thu Jan 6 13:40:56 2005 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Thu Jan 6 13:42:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > "This list is not for fundraising for other projects (even GPL)." > http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php > On my mind, CPLD interface was intended as a part of Ronja project from its very beginning and for a general public advantage. Unless Jakub Ladman said else. :) Please, who and how may become a Ronja developer with fundraising rights, if at all? Standa -- A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Jan 6 17:17:05 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Jan 6 17:18:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? References: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> <200501060825.26955.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000801c4f413$8bf40e80$0101a8c0@cz> Jakube, dotaz byl jestli neco je i s autonegation. Ja napsal ze ano a ze to je odzkousene a nekolik ifacu se uz vyrobilo. Kazdej na to jdeme ruzne, ale vysledek stoji za to. Zatim jedinne co je odzkouseno je Atmel. -=RYS=- PS: Jinak i ja bych se rad pozdeji koukl na tve reseni. Zajima me to ne z duvodu ze bych to stavel, ale jen z technickeho hlediska. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? On Thursday 06 January 2005 05:00, -=RYS=- wrote: > Rekl bych, ze Silvije to ma na svych strankach uz hodne dlouho. Jo to ma, ale na muj vkus je tam jeste furt prebroukovano. Auto MDX / MDXi, nen? takov? legrace, ud?lat by to sice ?lo, ale n?klady by podle m? byly p??li? vysok? (sice ne finan?n?, ale obvod by se celkem nep??jem? zeslo?itil a po?et sou??stek narostl) Na m?m iface bude na to p?ep?na?. Mo?n? v budoucnu automatick? p?ep?n?n? p?ibybe, ale zat?m to nepl?nuji. Jakub _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Jan 6 17:18:59 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Jan 6 17:20:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? References: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> <200501060825.26955.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050106085536.GB1617@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000f01c4f413$cf963460$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:25:26AM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Thursday 06 January 2005 05:00, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Rekl bych, ze Silvije to ma na svych strankach uz hodne dlouho. > > Jo to ma, ale na muj vkus je tam jeste furt prebroukovano. > Auto MDX / MDXi, nen? takov? legrace, ud?lat by to sice ?lo, ale n?klady by > podle m? byly p??li? vysok? (sice ne finan?n?, ale obvod by se celkem Sehnal jsi k tomu nejakej pokec? Pochopil jsi, jak to funguje? Ano...vse je na CZFree (ta ma stara deska: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/ , ale s upravama pro oscik...proste ceka na puls a kdyz neni, tak to praskne vlastni). Jinak se na to Silvije muzes zeptat sam. -=RYS=- Cl< _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 6 19:15:40 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 6 19:15:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050106191540.GA5125@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:40:56PM +0100, Standa Bobrik wrote: > > "This list is not for fundraising for other projects (even GPL)." > > http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php > > > > On my mind, CPLD interface was intended as a part of Ronja project > from its very beginning and for a general public advantage. > Unless Jakub Ladman said else. :) I thought you were talking about the AVR hardware with closed-source program. I perceive Jakub's CPLD as a serious candidate for Ronja. Regarding fundraising rights, there hasn't yet been a need to solve this problem, but I have already thought about it. My working version of the rules is: 1) Allow only people from Twibright Labs to be in the "fundraising group" 2) If someone wants to become a member of Twibright Labs, he has to first give some free technology design and have it published without asking money under Twibright Labs. The design needs to have a standard comparable with Twibright Labs. The condition of standard isn't here for some kind of elitism, but for a solely practical purpose. The proof of necessity of the standard follows: a) Twibright Labs want to be useful to the general public b) The user (member of the general public) needs to have a possibility to rely on the design producer completely c) Reliance incorporates support in case of bugs in the design d) Therefore Twibright Labs need to provide user support e) Twibright Labs want the technology to be free, therefore the support must be free too f) If the standard is low and the device reliability can not be reliably anticipated, there is a risk of support request flood g) We don't want to spend whole youth responding to bugreports, so we have to keep the bugs down. - end of proof - About two people seemed to be possibly interested in providing such a design: 1) Ondrej Tesar with his "drivkac". However later he seemed to decide he isn't interested in developing and publishing a detailed, portable guide 2) One guy developed some rough guides - some optocouplers, experiments with digital microscopy etc. - but he says that making detailed portable guides is a waste of time. So both are still not in Twibright Labs. All four of us - me, brain, mikulas and perm - have contributed and published something for free first - all at least part of Links browser, ane me also Ronja Metropolis, brain z80 asm and probably more projects I don't recall now. Publishing the initial design under Twibright Labs of course doesn't mean that you won't be recognized as the author and that you won't be allowed to maintain the project. Without publishing something for free you cannot ask for donations the way Ronja currently does. The users wouldn't believe you. For me, this system of Direct User-DEveloper Support (DUDES ;-) ) seems to be a viable alternative to current mainstream, older, proprietary model. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 6 19:34:01 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 6 19:33:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: <000f01c4f413$cf963460$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> <200501060825.26955.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050106085536.GB1617@beton.cybernet.src> <000f01c4f413$cf963460$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050106193401.GD5125@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > Jo to ma, ale na muj vkus je tam jeste furt prebroukovano. > > Auto MDX / MDXi, nen? takov? legrace, ud?lat by to sice ?lo, ale n?klady > by > > podle m? byly p??li? vysok? (sice ne finan?n?, ale obvod by se celkem > > Sehnal jsi k tomu nejakej pokec? Pochopil jsi, jak to funguje? > Ano...vse je na CZFree (ta ma stara deska: > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/ , ale > s upravama pro oscik...proste ceka na puls a kdyz neni, tak to praskne > vlastni). > Jinak se na to Silvije muzes zeptat sam. A kterej z ty spousty souboru popisuje jak funguje auto MDI/MDX? Ja to tam nejak nemuzu najit. Autonegotiation nehledam - od toho popis mam. Cl< From bobriks at volny.cz Thu Jan 6 21:21:54 2005 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Thu Jan 6 21:21:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: <20050106191540.GA5125@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050106191540.GA5125@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: > Regarding fundraising rights, there hasn't yet been a need to > solve this problem, but I have already thought about it. > > My working version of the rules is: > 1) Allow only people from Twibright Labs to be in the > "fundraising group" > 2) If someone wants to become a member of Twibright Labs, > he has to firstgive some free technology design and have > it published without asking money under Twibright Labs. > The design needs to have a standard comparable with > Twibright Labs. OK! These are the clear words that have been (are) omitted at http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php so far! Type them with bold. Thank you very much, dude! ;-)) > For me, this system of Direct User-DEveloper Support > (DUDES ;-)) seems to be a viable alternative to current > mainstream, older, proprietary model. [current mainstream = DevelOp, PRoDuce, sELl on your own account:] Standa -- A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 6 23:32:30 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 6 23:31:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: References: <20050106191540.GA5125@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050106233229.GA7355@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:21:54PM +0100, Standa Bobrik wrote: > > Regarding fundraising rights, there hasn't yet been a need to > > solve this problem, but I have already thought about it. > > > > My working version of the rules is: > > 1) Allow only people from Twibright Labs to be in the > > "fundraising group" > > 2) If someone wants to become a member of Twibright Labs, > > he has to firstgive some free technology design and have > > it published without asking money under Twibright Labs. > > The design needs to have a standard comparable with > > Twibright Labs. > > OK! These are the clear words that have been (are) omitted > at http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php so far! > Type them with bold. Why do you think it should be written there? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 6 23:51:19 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 6 23:50:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: soupis soucastek In-Reply-To: <41DC7D58.2010302@hkfree.org> References: <41DC7D58.2010302@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20050106235119.GB7355@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:50:48AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Nechci to "lejt" do mail fora. > V seznamu soucastek mas odpory 1x 27ohmu kdezto ve schematu jsou ty 27R > odpory dva. Je ten seznam nebo schema OK ? Thanks for bugreport. I have fixed it. It was caused by two resistors sharing single refdes. Therefore one was masked in the Bill Of Material. I have renumbered all the resistors in Nebulus again because their numbering was horrible. Cl< From bobriks at volny.cz Fri Jan 7 09:55:52 2005 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Fri Jan 7 09:55:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: <20050106233229.GA7355@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050106191540.GA5125@beton.cybernet.src> <20050106233229.GA7355@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <14012e0e064bf0488d82d8afb218a130@www4.mail.volny.cz> > > > 1) Allow only people from Twibright Labs to be in the > > > "fundraising group" > > > 2) If someone wants to become a member of Twibright Labs, > > > he has to firstgive some free technology design and have > > > it published without asking money under Twibright Labs. > > > The design needs to have a standard comparable with > > > Twibright Labs. > > > > OK! These are the clear words that have been (are) omitted > > at http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php so far! > > Type them with bold. > > Why do you think it should be written there? > Because what is written is given! I think that progress in developing various parts of (not only) Ronja project would be far more fast in the case of clearly expressed rules how to participate. On one side, it surely would be an extra strong motivation for a couple of potential developers to profit from a membership in T.Labs and push their ideas into all final details. On the other side, the development finished into details would be a big profit for the users and a motivation for their consequent rational donations. Perhaps, still one idea. It should be interesting except the overview of donations for a particular project to make a table with a relationship between a donator and his known "development consumption" furthermore. I.e. how much he donated vs. in what manner and gauge he used the developing results. Well, that's just by the way...;) Standa -- A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 7 13:34:18 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jan 7 13:33:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Sodipodi rulz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050107133418.GA2758@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:41:40AM +0100, Silvije Mili?ic wrote: > > >You need the signal to pass right. The signal travels over the shield > >as well over the inner wire. > > I thought that was just the noise on the power line (shield) and that it was not useable, cause you pick up signal just from the signal line (inner)... > > ...I thought that it would be better to filter whatever is spreading on the power wire... but OK if you say it is needed, I dont quite understand why exactly :) cause of diff. signal receiver on other end of line? > > One more thing, if you say that signal goes through shield also, how can you > claim than that coaxial cables does not produce interference?? If you got Ronja is wrapped in a conductive surface without substantial holes. Coaxial shield is part of the surface. Electromagnetic energy can't go through conductive bodies. Therefore if some signal is generated inside Ronja, it can't escape. > sensitive enough equipment you would see that coax cables also emanates EM > and produces interference! The thing they do is preventing interference to Yes this is because the shield is not good enough. If you put a copper plumbing pipe instead of thin braided shield, and made whole Ronja wrapped into soldered copper sheets and plumbing, you wouldn't measure almost anything. If you put supraconductor instead of the sheet copper, you should measure zero ;-) It's like with metal and light. If you put thin layer of metal on flower foil, it acts like a mirror, but passes a fraction of light through. If you put thicker layer on a glass mirror, it doesn't pass anything through. But you could maybe still see an A-bomb through it. If you took a 1mm thick sheet of brass and polished it, it wouldn't pass absolutely anything through. Cl< From Lubos.m at seznam.cz Sun Jan 9 02:46:30 2005 From: Lubos.m at seznam.cz (Lubos.m) Date: Sun Jan 9 02:46:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister CPLD version - release? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7415389018.20050109034630@seznam.cz> Hi Jakub, I'm looking forward for your release of the CPLD version of Twister. How is the develompent going on? I don't need an automatic MDX/MDXi... Can you say (just roughly) when you are going to release the design? Weeks? Months? I know you wrote you didn't want to release some discreditable stuff, just reply to my mail, please... thanx Lubos PS: Will be the CPLD version a part of the Ronja project? What is the Clock's opinion to this? From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sun Jan 9 07:26:55 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sun Jan 9 07:25:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kdy bude iface s xili. ? In-Reply-To: <20050106193401.GD5125@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000e01c4f3a4$3bc0e560$0101a8c0@cz> <200501060825.26955.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050106085536.GB1617@beton.cybernet.src> <000f01c4f413$cf963460$0101a8c0@cz> <20050106193401.GD5125@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41E0DCBF.4050900@tiscali.cz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >>>Jo to ma, ale na muj vkus je tam jeste furt prebroukovano. >>>Auto MDX / MDXi, nen? takov? legrace, ud?lat by to sice ?lo, ale n?klady >>> >>> >>by >> >> >>>podle m? byly p??li? vysok? (sice ne finan?n?, ale obvod by se celkem >>> >>> >>Sehnal jsi k tomu nejakej pokec? Pochopil jsi, jak to funguje? >>Ano...vse je na CZFree (ta ma stara deska: >>http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/ , ale >>s upravama pro oscik...proste ceka na puls a kdyz neni, tak to praskne >>vlastni). >>Jinak se na to Silvije muzes zeptat sam. >> >> > >A kterej z ty spousty souboru popisuje jak funguje auto MDI/MDX? >Ja to tam nejak nemuzu najit. >Autonegotiation nehledam - od toho popis mam. > >Cl< > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Ja bych mel zajem o nejakej link k dokumentaci o auto-negotiation. Par veci jsem nasel, ale bud je to brutalne rozkouskovane, nebo to jsou jen nejaky obecny kecy o tom, co to vlastne je. Taky se chci totiz do neceho pustit. From moti at pilsfree.net Sun Jan 9 17:16:21 2005 From: moti at pilsfree.net (Michal Toman) Date: Sun Jan 9 17:16:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss podle typu dat Message-ID: <1105290981.32318.67.camel@book> Ahoj, objevil jsem na nasi ronje pomerne zaludny problem, ktery spociva v nemoznosti prenosu urcitych typu packetu. Nejprve jsem problem hledal vsemozne - spatny qos, iptables, connection tracking, ... ale nakonec jsem musel priznat, ze zavada bude v HW (coz bylo pro me softwarare tragicke zjisteni ;) Zavada se projevovala v jednom smeru a konkretne tak, ze urcity druh provozu neprochazel - napr. ftp-data, tracepath, ... jina data jela pro zmenu naprosto bez problemu - napr. ping flood ani jeden ztraceny packet. Na strane prijimace se v zavislosti na "problemovych" datech zvysoval citac RX errors pri vypisu ifconfigu. Nakonec jsme problem odhalili. Pro kodovani dat na ethernetu 10baseT, tedy i na ronje, se pouziva kod Manchester - sestupna hrana znaci binarni 0 a vzestupna hrana znaci binarni 1 (viz napr. http://www.mattjustice.com/ethernet/layer1.html ) Problem je v tom, ze prenos sekvence 1111 nebo 0000 (sekvence stejnych cisel) generuje signal s 2x vetsi frekvenci nez prenos 0101. Prave data, kde bylo hodne nul ci jednicek za sebou, se nedokazala prenest. Vytvari to zrejme prilis vysokou frekvenci signalu a neco to uz nezvlada. Domenka byla overena prenosem /dev/zero (neprosel ani packet) a /dev/urandom (prosel milion packetu bez chyby). K odstraneni problemu, jsem zvolil inzenyrske reseni ;) Nad spojem jsem zprovoznil OpenVPN. Data jsou kryptovana a komprimovana, tedy ze statistickeho hlediska nahodna a jede to na 100% at se prenasi cokoliv. Vymena sitove karty (Realtek za 3com) vedla na 70% packetdrop i u obycejneho pingu, takze tudy cesta nevede. RSSI je jenom 160mV, ale funguje to stejne i pri 50mV, takze sila signalu asi nebude problem, spis kvalita. Osciloskop nemam. Tusite kde je v HW nejspis chyba? Pripadne jak ji najit a odstranit? Mate nekdo podobne problemy? Diky, Moti From clock at twibright.com Sun Jan 9 17:38:11 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jan 9 17:37:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss podle typu dat In-Reply-To: <1105290981.32318.67.camel@book> References: <1105290981.32318.67.camel@book> Message-ID: <20050109173811.GA3449@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 06:16:21PM +0100, Michal Toman wrote: > Ahoj, > > objevil jsem na nasi ronje pomerne zaludny problem, ktery spociva v > nemoznosti prenosu urcitych typu packetu. Nejprve jsem problem hledal > vsemozne - spatny qos, iptables, connection tracking, ... ale nakonec > jsem musel priznat, ze zavada bude v HW (coz bylo pro me softwarare > tragicke zjisteni ;) Zavada se projevovala v jednom smeru a konkretne > tak, ze urcity druh provozu neprochazel - napr. ftp-data, tracepath, ... > jina data jela pro zmenu naprosto bez problemu - napr. ping flood ani > jeden ztraceny packet. Na strane prijimace se v zavislosti na > "problemovych" datech zvysoval citac RX errors pri vypisu ifconfigu. > > Nakonec jsme problem odhalili. Pro kodovani dat na ethernetu 10baseT, > tedy i na ronje, se pouziva kod Manchester - sestupna hrana znaci > binarni 0 a vzestupna hrana znaci binarni 1 (viz napr. > http://www.mattjustice.com/ethernet/layer1.html ) Problem je v tom, ze > prenos sekvence 1111 nebo 0000 (sekvence stejnych cisel) generuje signal > s 2x vetsi frekvenci nez prenos 0101. Prave data, kde bylo hodne nul ci > jednicek za sebou, se nedokazala prenest. Vytvari to zrejme prilis > vysokou frekvenci signalu a neco to uz nezvlada. Domenka byla overena > prenosem /dev/zero (neprosel ani packet) a /dev/urandom (prosel milion > packetu bez chyby). > > K odstraneni problemu, jsem zvolil inzenyrske reseni ;) Nad spojem jsem > zprovoznil OpenVPN. Data jsou kryptovana a komprimovana, tedy ze > statistickeho hlediska nahodna a jede to na 100% at se prenasi cokoliv. > > Vymena sitove karty (Realtek za 3com) vedla na 70% packetdrop i u > obycejneho pingu, takze tudy cesta nevede. RSSI je jenom 160mV, ale > funguje to stejne i pri 50mV, takze sila signalu asi nebude problem, > spis kvalita. Osciloskop nemam. > > Tusite kde je v HW nejspis chyba? Pripadne jak ji najit a odstranit? > Mate nekdo podobne problemy? Je ta Ronja presne podle navodu nebo jsou v elektronice nejake odchylky? Cl< From moti at pilsfree.net Sun Jan 9 20:15:39 2005 From: moti at pilsfree.net (Michal Toman) Date: Sun Jan 9 20:15:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss podle typu dat Message-ID: <1105301739.32318.85.camel@book> Odchylky tam jsou, je to predelane do infra, takze jine LEDky a odpor na buzeni TX (podle rysa). Nicmene kontrolni body sedi. Skoda ze jsem na to neprisel pri testech na stole, to by se nechalo ledacos poresit. Muzu zkusit vymenit twistery, ty mame hotove jeste 4 na dalsi spoje. V pripade, ze by byl problem ve spatnem "hranateni" signalu, mohlo by to pomoct. Moti > Je ta Ronja presne podle navodu nebo jsou v elektronice nejake > odchylky? > > Cl< > From clock at twibright.com Sun Jan 9 22:10:16 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jan 9 22:09:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss podle typu dat In-Reply-To: <1105301739.32318.85.camel@book> References: <1105301739.32318.85.camel@book> Message-ID: <20050109221016.GB4914@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 09:15:39PM +0100, Michal Toman wrote: > Odchylky tam jsou, je to predelane do infra, takze jine LEDky a odpor na > buzeni TX (podle rysa). Nicmene kontrolni body sedi. Skoda ze jsem na to > neprisel pri testech na stole, to by se nechalo ledacos poresit. Hm, tak to je ono. Ta infra LED je pomala a mrsi signal. Proto to ma na 10MHz utlum a na 5MHz ne. Nahradte to Nebulusem. Ten signal nemrsi (testoval jsem dosah Nebuluse a barevneho vysilace s tim, ze sila prijimaneho svetla byla v obou pripadech stejna, a dosah vychazel taky stejny). > > Muzu zkusit vymenit twistery, ty mame hotove jeste 4 na dalsi spoje. V > pripade, ze by byl problem ve spatnem "hranateni" signalu, mohlo by to > pomoct. Ne, problem je v tom, ze signal vychazi z vysilace nedostatecne hranaty a misto toho rozplizly, jak ta infra dioda nestiha. Twister na tom pak uz nic nevylepsi, protoze se do toho namicha pri prijmu sum. Cl< From moti at pilsfree.net Mon Jan 10 00:05:15 2005 From: moti at pilsfree.net (Michal Toman) Date: Mon Jan 10 00:05:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss podle typu dat In-Reply-To: 1105301739.32318.85.camel@book Message-ID: <1105315515.32296.122.camel@book> Diky za radu. Dava to smysl a zrejme to v tom bude. Dival jsem se na Nebulus, to buzeni je tam uplne jiny a jelikoz odjizdim na pul roku pryc, tak uz to hned tak nepredelam. Nicmene s tim sifrovanim to bezi dobre a alespon nehrozi nejake odposlouchavani ;) Jedina neprijemnost je, ze mame hotove 2 spoje stejneho navrhu a navic na plosnacich v SMD verzi, tam zmena nebude mozna urcite. Zajimal by me vyznam te zpetne vazby (nebo co to je :) u Nebulusu z katody LEDky zpet do rizeni napajeni. Fungovalo by to, kdyby se napajeni svabu a privod na bazi Q1, Q2 pouzilo shodne jako driv (tedy primo na 5V) a zmenilo se jenom buzeni LEDky na verzi z Nebulusu? To je asi tak maximum co by mozna slo upravit na plosnaku =-) Moti > On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 09:15:39PM +0100, Michal Toman wrote: > > Odchylky tam jsou, je to predelane do infra, takze jine LEDky a odpor na > > buzeni TX (podle rysa). Nicmene kontrolni body sedi. Skoda ze jsem na to > > neprisel pri testech na stole, to by se nechalo ledacos poresit. > > Hm, tak to je ono. Ta infra LED je pomala a mrsi signal. Proto to ma na 10MHz > utlum a na 5MHz ne. Nahradte to Nebulusem. Ten signal nemrsi (testoval jsem > dosah Nebuluse a barevneho vysilace s tim, ze sila prijimaneho svetla byla v > obou pripadech stejna, a dosah vychazel taky stejny). > > > > > Muzu zkusit vymenit twistery, ty mame hotove jeste 4 na dalsi spoje. V > > pripade, ze by byl problem ve spatnem "hranateni" signalu, mohlo by to > > pomoct. > > Ne, problem je v tom, ze signal vychazi z vysilace nedostatecne hranaty > a misto toho rozplizly, jak ta infra dioda nestiha. Twister na tom pak > uz nic nevylepsi, protoze se do toho namicha pri prijmu sum. > > Cl< > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 10 08:47:45 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jan 10 08:47:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss podle typu dat In-Reply-To: <1105315515.32296.122.camel@book> References: <1105315515.32296.122.camel@book> Message-ID: <20050110084745.GD4914@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 01:05:15AM +0100, Michal Toman wrote: > Diky za radu. Dava to smysl a zrejme to v tom bude. > > Dival jsem se na Nebulus, to buzeni je tam uplne jiny a jelikoz odjizdim > na pul roku pryc, tak uz to hned tak nepredelam. Nicmene s tim > sifrovanim to bezi dobre a alespon nehrozi nejake odposlouchavani ;) > > Jedina neprijemnost je, ze mame hotove 2 spoje stejneho navrhu a navic > na plosnacich v SMD verzi, tam zmena nebude mozna urcite. Zajimal by me > vyznam te zpetne vazby (nebo co to je :) u Nebulusu z katody LEDky zpet > do rizeni napajeni. Fungovalo by to, kdyby se napajeni svabu a privod na > bazi Q1, Q2 pouzilo shodne jako driv (tedy primo na 5V) a zmenilo se > jenom buzeni LEDky na verzi z Nebulusu? To je asi tak maximum co by > mozna slo upravit na plosnaku =-) Ne, to fungovat nebude. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 10 09:02:36 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jan 10 09:02:02 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: infrared and red Ronja sharing the same optical path In-Reply-To: <904BA07742CD37409DBAE58BD6E22239030057F8@brcexc01.emea.cpqcorp.net> References: <904BA07742CD37409DBAE58BD6E22239030057F8@brcexc01.emea.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20050110090236.GF4914@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 08:10:39AM +0100, zvolensky, lubomir wrote: > hello Karle, > > v nasej partii mame nasadene dve ronje (jedna klasika, jeden twister) a > sakramentsky sa tesime na Inferno, ktore chalani prave chcu stavat - > zaciname zhanat suciastky a studovat tvoje schemy. Twistera mame > nasadeneho na 1.3km a chodi v pohode, samozrejme okrem hmly. > > Mam na teba tri otazky: > > A) je mozne nasadit klasicku cervenu a infra ronju vedla seba na > strechach, zbondovat interfejsy na linuxe a mat tak 20Mbit/s ? Malo by > to ist, jedna sa mi o "ovplyvnovanie" cervenej a infra verzie, ktore by > nemalo existovat vzhladom na uplne odlisne vlnove dlzky a ich sirku. > Zviazanie dvoch interfacov dohromady na linuxe nie je problem a 20Mbit/s > je vcelku fajn. This is not possible. The infrared one will run fine, but the red one would be distorted by the infrared one. You would have to install special optical filter on the red receiver's photodiode, which is expensive, because must have high transmittance at red and high attenuation at infrared. You may try to separate the devices spatially, i. e. placing on opposite ends of roof on both sides. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jan 10 09:33:32 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jan 10 09:35:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss podle typu dat In-Reply-To: <20050109221016.GB4914@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1105301739.32318.85.camel@book> <20050109221016.GB4914@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200501101033.32567.ladmanj@volny.cz> Koukal jsem na sch?ma toho nebuluse a ta regulace nap?jec?ho nap?t? pro AC04 na v?stupu, podle proudu ledkou, je dooooost h????st? ujet?. Ale jestli to chod? tak pro? ne. Jakub Ladman Dne ned?le 09 ledna 2005 23:10 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 09:15:39PM +0100, Michal Toman wrote: > > Odchylky tam jsou, je to predelane do infra, takze jine LEDky a odpor na > > buzeni TX (podle rysa). Nicmene kontrolni body sedi. Skoda ze jsem na to > > neprisel pri testech na stole, to by se nechalo ledacos poresit. > > Hm, tak to je ono. Ta infra LED je pomala a mrsi signal. Proto to ma na > 10MHz utlum a na 5MHz ne. Nahradte to Nebulusem. Ten signal nemrsi > (testoval jsem dosah Nebuluse a barevneho vysilace s tim, ze sila > prijimaneho svetla byla v obou pripadech stejna, a dosah vychazel taky > stejny). > > > Muzu zkusit vymenit twistery, ty mame hotove jeste 4 na dalsi spoje. V > > pripade, ze by byl problem ve spatnem "hranateni" signalu, mohlo by to > > pomoct. > > Ne, problem je v tom, ze signal vychazi z vysilace nedostatecne hranaty > a misto toho rozplizly, jak ta infra dioda nestiha. Twister na tom pak > uz nic nevylepsi, protoze se do toho namicha pri prijmu sum. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 10 09:56:01 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jan 10 09:55:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: infrared and red Ronja sharing the same optical path In-Reply-To: <904BA07742CD37409DBAE58BD6E22239030057FA@brcexc01.emea.cpqcorp.net> References: <904BA07742CD37409DBAE58BD6E22239030057FA@brcexc01.emea.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20050110095601.GA6712@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:05:48AM +0100, zvolensky, lubomir wrote: > > > This is not possible. The infrared one will run fine, but the > > red one would be distorted by the infrared one. You would > > have to install special optical filter on the red receiver's > > photodiode, which is expensive, because must have high > > transmittance at red and high attenuation at infrared. > > What a pity to hear this! Any info on those filters - their availability > in Czech/Slovak republic, price, etc, etc. I have no clue how much does > this cost, but it can't be millions. You can try various suppliers of ready-made optical filters (Edmund Scientific and similar) or asking some workshop that does it for you bespoke. I think one will cost several thousand CZK (a tiny shiny piece of glass). Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Jan 10 10:22:56 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Jan 10 10:25:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss podle typu dat In-Reply-To: <1105301739.32318.85.camel@book> Message-ID: <41E26590.28186.16EB50@localhost> Problem hledej v RYSkove vysilaci. InfraLED je pomalejsi nez puvodni HPWTcko a tudiz tam dojde k sirkovemu zkresleni pulsu se kterym neni pocitano. Coz se obzlaste projevi pri slabem signalu. V Clockove Nebulusu je to uz korektne osetreno. > Odchylky tam jsou, je to predelane do infra, takze jine LEDky a odpor na > buzeni TX (podle rysa). Nicmene kontrolni body sedi. Skoda ze jsem na to > neprisel pri testech na stole, to by se nechalo ledacos poresit. > > Muzu zkusit vymenit twistery, ty mame hotove jeste 4 na dalsi spoje. V > pripade, ze by byl problem ve spatnem "hranateni" signalu, mohlo by to > pomoct. > > Moti > > > Je ta Ronja presne podle navodu nebo jsou v elektronice nejake > > odchylky? > > > > Cl< From polous at katka.biz Mon Jan 10 14:44:22 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Jan 10 14:41:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss podle typu dat In-Reply-To: <200501101033.32567.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <1105301739.32318.85.camel@book> <20050109221016.GB4914@beton.cybernet.src> <200501101033.32567.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <41E294C6.7020406@katka.biz> Jakub Ladman wrote: >Koukal jsem na sch?ma toho nebuluse a ta regulace nap?jec?ho nap?t? pro AC04 >na v?stupu, podle proudu ledkou, je dooooost h????st? ujet?. Ale jestli to >chod? tak pro? ne. >Jakub Ladman > > co je na tom ujeteho ?? .. sem jenom zvedavy ;) p0l0us From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Jan 10 18:47:55 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Jan 10 18:48:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss podle typu dat References: <1105301739.32318.85.camel@book> <20050109221016.GB4914@beton.cybernet.src><200501101033.32567.ladmanj@volny.cz> <41E294C6.7020406@katka.biz> Message-ID: <002201c4f744$ea8a1050$0103450a@thechosen> no, minimalne to ze se vetsinou clovek snazi napajeni logiky stabilizovat a vyfiltrovat tak aby se to moc nevlnilo Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] packetloss podle typu dat Jakub Ladman wrote: >Koukal jsem na sch?ma toho nebuluse a ta regulace nap?jec?ho nap?t? pro AC04 >na v?stupu, podle proudu ledkou, je dooooost h????st? ujet?. Ale jestli to >chod? tak pro? ne. >Jakub Ladman > > co je na tom ujeteho ?? .. sem jenom zvedavy ;) p0l0us _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Mon Jan 10 20:55:07 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Mon Jan 10 20:54:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] cpld_twister autonegotiation In-Reply-To: <200501021444.52608.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200412291756.57930.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200412302359.39431.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200501021444.52608.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <41E2EBAB.5040208@tiscali.cz> Jakub Ladman wrote: >On Friday 31 December 2004 09:10, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > > >>toto bude implementovano do xilinxoveho twistera? >> >> >Uz je, jak jsem napsal. >XC9572XL je plny asi z 80%. > >Chodi to ale jeste je chyba na strane buzeni TP traficka. Proste se ty kratky >pulsiky castecne odfiltrujou a sitovka ty data v tom flp burstu neprecte >trikrat po sobe stejne. Casovani mam na 98% spravne podle normy, ty 2% si >nechavam na moznost, ze jsem ve verilogu napsal neco jinyho, nez jsem chtel >. > > >>ROOTen >> >>On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:59:39 +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: >> >> >>>CZ: Autonegotiaton mi chodi, zatim tak, ze to trva dloho, az 10s nez >>>sitovka >>>zdetekuje linku, ale svym zpusobem je to uz uspech. >>>Problem ted vidim v ne uplne korektnim buzeni TP kabelu. vypad? to, ze ne >>>kazdy flp burst projde v poradku a musi prijit alespon tri v rade >>>spravne aby >>>byla linka detekovana. >>>Zacinam hledat lepsi reseni. >>> >>>EN: I have partial succes with autonegotiation, link with correct >>>parameters >>>is always established, but it takes up to 10secs until it happens. >>>It seems to be problem in non_really_correct driving of TP cable. >>>There must be receptions of the exact same data in three flp bursts, to >>>detect >>>the line and because of small duty of flp pulses it fails on analog >>>distortion. >>> >>>Jakub Ladman >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Zdravim, chci se zeptat, na jakym xc9572xl ti to bezi konkretne? From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jan 10 23:38:24 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jan 10 23:38:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] cpld_twister autonegotiation In-Reply-To: <41E2EBAB.5040208@tiscali.cz> References: <200412291756.57930.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200501021444.52608.ladmanj@volny.cz> <41E2EBAB.5040208@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <200501110038.24894.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Zdravim, chci se zeptat, na jakym xc9572xl ti to bezi konkretne? Co prosim? Jako v jakem pouzdre? Na prototypu je PC44, ale na vyslednym bude asi VQ44 Jakub Ladman From jojo at matfyz.cz Wed Jan 12 17:37:23 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Wed Jan 12 17:37:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] zhanam HPWT-BD00-F4000 Message-ID: <20050112173722.GA32104@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Ahojte, nema niekto na predaj 2ks HPWT-BD00-F4000? Praha. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From kero at matfyz.cz Wed Jan 12 23:01:09 2005 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Wed Jan 12 23:01:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] zhanam HPWT-BD00-F4000 In-Reply-To: <20050112173722.GA32104@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20050112173722.GA32104@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <41E5AC35.1080507@matfyz.cz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marian Cerny napsal(a): | Ahojte, | | nema niekto na predaj 2ks HPWT-BD00-F4000? Praha. | Na hlavni strance projektu je hezky odkaz Where to get necessary HW. Pokud na nej kliknes, najdes tam nadpis ledky. A tam take, ze je prodava Ondrej Tesar (je z Prahy). Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB5aw1QfaFr9ZqVhARAipvAKCBPnfDBaM/Rkan1L2TAqPgqb6lcwCfYkAK A5xj9pYdt+vETCmmIoFXipk= =QO0z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Thu Jan 13 03:03:05 2005 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Thu Jan 13 03:03:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] very short range + jitter Message-ID: <48992.203.148.138.67.1105585385.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hi all, We have managed to establish a link (without lens) but the range is far below 2.5-metre which is what you advertised on Ronja webpage. I have only managed a range of 60cm (no accurate alignment has been carried out). We use SFH203 and HPWT-BD00-E4000 as our PD and LED respectively. >From our measurements, there seems to be a problem with one of the receivers, when compared to the other. The trouble receiver seems to have a lot of jitter (phase noise!?), i.e., the inspected 1MHz square-wave does not stay still horizontally. The other receiver looks okay and doesn't have this jittering effect. Has anyone encountered similar problem before and are there any cures for this? We fear that if we cannot achieve > 1-metre link now, we won't be able to get a required distance (> 300 metres) when 100mm lens are deployed. Thanks, Ton ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 13 08:18:41 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 13 08:18:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] very short range + jitter In-Reply-To: <48992.203.148.138.67.1105585385.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <48992.203.148.138.67.1105585385.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050113081841.GB1921@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 10:03:05AM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hi all, > > We have managed to establish a link (without lens) but the range is far > below 2.5-metre which is what you advertised on Ronja webpage. I have only > managed a range of 60cm (no accurate alignment has been carried out). We > use SFH203 and HPWT-BD00-E4000 as our PD and LED respectively. > > >From our measurements, there seems to be a problem with one of the > receivers, when compared to the other. The trouble receiver seems to have > a lot of jitter (phase noise!?), i.e., the inspected 1MHz square-wave does > not stay still horizontally. The other receiver looks okay and doesn't > have this jittering effect. Is it according to the guide or for example RX and TX on PCB? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 13 10:42:14 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 13 10:41:37 2005 Subject: ?[Ronja]?very?short?range?+?jitter In-Reply-To: <35008.203.148.138.67.1105610012.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <48992.203.148.138.67.1105585385.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <20050113081841.GB1921@beton.cybernet.src> <35008.203.148.138.67.1105610012.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050113104214.GA2792@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:53:32PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hi there, > > Yes we have connected everything according to the guide. > > It has been confirmed that the problem really comes from one of the Rx's. > It is amazing that both Rx's look 'nearly' identical but one of them > really outperforms the other. > > When you said you achieved 2.5-metre link distance, I guess that was > done with HPWT-BD00-F4000, in our case we use HPWT-BD00-E4000 but that > should not severly deteriorate the distance down to 60cm. For this test, > should Tx and Rx (of one end, i.e., connected to the same Twister) be > placed far apart to avoid self interference. Can you send a photo of the good and faulty RX? Open and closed. Cl< From flash-x at seznam.cz Thu Jan 13 15:32:14 2005 From: flash-x at seznam.cz (Flashx) Date: Thu Jan 13 15:33:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 Message-ID: <41E6947E.1040906@seznam.cz> Je mozne v Nebulusu misto 74AC04 pouzit 74HC04 (mam jich pomerne dost) Diky S.Kinst From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 13 16:17:22 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 13 16:16:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 In-Reply-To: <41E6947E.1040906@seznam.cz> References: <41E6947E.1040906@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050113161722.GA1051@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:32:14PM +0100, Flashx wrote: > Je mozne v Nebulusu misto 74AC04 pouzit 74HC04 (mam jich pomerne dost) yes it is possible but solder them as much together as possible and then test the range on room floor at 10MHz and 5MHz. Also check if the LED curent is at it's nominal value (just below 100mA). Cl< From Korda.m at seznam.cz Thu Jan 13 16:44:32 2005 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Thu Jan 13 16:44:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 References: <41E6947E.1040906@seznam.cz> <20050113161722.GA1051@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000501c4f98f$2896fd80$02086b0a@atintel> Predpokladam, ze muzou byt pouzity i v klasickem vysilaci, ma to nejake vyhody? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 74AC04 > On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:32:14PM +0100, Flashx wrote: >> Je mozne v Nebulusu misto 74AC04 pouzit 74HC04 (mam jich pomerne dost) > > yes it is possible but solder them as much together as possible and > then test the range on room floor at 10MHz and 5MHz. Also check if the LED > curent is at it's nominal value (just below 100mA). > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 13 17:02:53 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 13 17:02:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 In-Reply-To: <000501c4f98f$2896fd80$02086b0a@atintel> References: <41E6947E.1040906@seznam.cz> <20050113161722.GA1051@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c4f98f$2896fd80$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20050113170253.GA1537@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 05:44:32PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > Predpokladam, ze muzou byt pouzity i v klasickem vysilaci, ma to nejake > vyhody? You should be able to use two 74AC04's in Ronja 10M Metropolis Transmitter but I didn't try it and don't know the suitable value for the ballast resistor. Try out and tell me the suitable resistance for the current that is stated in the guide (just below 70mA). Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 74AC04 > > > >On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:32:14PM +0100, Flashx wrote: > >>Je mozne v Nebulusu misto 74AC04 pouzit 74HC04 (mam jich pomerne dost) > > > >yes it is possible but solder them as much together as possible and > >then test the range on room floor at 10MHz and 5MHz. Also check if the LED > >curent is at it's nominal value (just below 100mA). > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Korda.m at seznam.cz Thu Jan 13 17:15:40 2005 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Thu Jan 13 17:15:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 References: <41E6947E.1040906@seznam.cz><20050113161722.GA1051@beton.cybernet.src><000501c4f98f$2896fd80$02086b0a@atintel> <20050113170253.GA1537@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000501c4f993$81eba7b0$02086b0a@atintel> Zkusit to muzu, ale bude to mit nejaky prinos? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 74AC04 > On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 05:44:32PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >> Predpokladam, ze muzou byt pouzity i v klasickem vysilaci, ma to nejake >> vyhody? > > You should be able to use two 74AC04's in Ronja 10M Metropolis Transmitter > but I didn't try it and don't know the suitable value for the ballast > resistor. > Try out and tell me the suitable resistance for the current that is stated > in the guide (just below 70mA). > > Cl< >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karel Kulhavy" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] 74AC04 >> >> >> >On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:32:14PM +0100, Flashx wrote: >> >>Je mozne v Nebulusu misto 74AC04 pouzit 74HC04 (mam jich pomerne dost) >> > >> >yes it is possible but solder them as much together as possible and >> >then test the range on room floor at 10MHz and 5MHz. Also check if the >> >LED >> >curent is at it's nominal value (just below 100mA). >> > >> >Cl< >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Ronja mailing list >> >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From nicolas_rod at yahoo.com.ar Thu Jan 13 18:46:11 2005 From: nicolas_rod at yahoo.com.ar (Nico) Date: Thu Jan 13 18:46:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems Message-ID: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all! I'm sorry to bother you but I have a problem with the Ronja Tx. We've managed to build the Tx, Rx and AUI boards (the PCB version in Ronja site) but when tested got some strange results. Tx PCB Board: ------------- Test Point - AC - DC P1 - 0V - 0V P2 - 9,7V - 4,7V P3 - 8,4V - 4,1V P4 - 9,9V - 4,8V P5 - 17,6V - 8,3V P6 - 8,2V - 4,4V P7 - ??? - 0mA P8 - 24,8V - 4,8V P9 - 25,4V - 11,8V As far as I can see the DC values seems to be ok. Does anyone know why I got those AC values? The PCB is the January 13th 2004 version. Thanks a lot. Nico.- ___________________________________________________________ 250MB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 13 18:47:46 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 13 18:47:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 In-Reply-To: <000501c4f993$81eba7b0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20050113170253.GA1537@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c4f993$81eba7b0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20050113184746.GA2725@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 06:15:40PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > Zkusit to muzu, ale bude to mit nejaky prinos? I thought you were asking if it's possible to replace 74HC04 with 74AC04 in Ronja 10M Metropolis Transmitter. If you have 74HC04 then put them there and there's no problem. Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 74AC04 > > > >On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 05:44:32PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > >>Predpokladam, ze muzou byt pouzity i v klasickem vysilaci, ma to nejake > >>vyhody? > > > >You should be able to use two 74AC04's in Ronja 10M Metropolis Transmitter > >but I didn't try it and don't know the suitable value for the ballast > >resistor. > >Try out and tell me the suitable resistance for the current that is stated > >in the guide (just below 70mA). > > > >Cl< > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Karel Kulhavy" > >>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:17 PM > >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] 74AC04 > >> > >> > >>>On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:32:14PM +0100, Flashx wrote: > >>>>Je mozne v Nebulusu misto 74AC04 pouzit 74HC04 (mam jich pomerne dost) > >>> > >>>yes it is possible but solder them as much together as possible and > >>>then test the range on room floor at 10MHz and 5MHz. Also check if the > >>>LED > >>>curent is at it's nominal value (just below 100mA). > >>> > >>>Cl< > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kero at matfyz.cz Thu Jan 13 19:08:00 2005 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Thu Jan 13 19:08:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41E6C710.3000008@matfyz.cz> There is more than one verion of PCB. Can you send the url where you got them? Kero Nico napsal(a): > Hi all! > I'm sorry to bother you but I have a problem with the Ronja Tx. > We've managed to build the Tx, Rx and AUI boards (the PCB version in > Ronja site) but when tested got some strange results. > > Tx PCB Board: > ------------- > Test Point - AC - DC > P1 - 0V - 0V > P2 - 9,7V - 4,7V > P3 - 8,4V - 4,1V > P4 - 9,9V - 4,8V > P5 - 17,6V - 8,3V > P6 - 8,2V - 4,4V > P7 - ??? - 0mA > P8 - 24,8V - 4,8V > P9 - 25,4V - 11,8V > > As far as I can see the DC values seems to be ok. Does anyone know why > I got those AC values? > > The PCB is the January 13th 2004 version. > > Thanks a lot. > Nico.- > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > 250MB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam > Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo > http://correo.yahoo.com.ar > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 13 19:29:53 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 13 19:29:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <41E6C710.3000008@matfyz.cz> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41E6C710.3000008@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <20050113192953.GA3076@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Kero wrote: > There is more than one verion of PCB. Can you send the url where you got > them? About yesterday I have sent a Ronja TX board (official :) ) into PCB fab house :) (And Trinitrack board is already there :) ) Cl< > > Kero > > Nico napsal(a): > >Hi all! > >I'm sorry to bother you but I have a problem with the Ronja Tx. > >We've managed to build the Tx, Rx and AUI boards (the PCB version in > >Ronja site) but when tested got some strange results. > > > >Tx PCB Board: > >------------- > >Test Point - AC - DC > >P1 - 0V - 0V > >P2 - 9,7V - 4,7V > >P3 - 8,4V - 4,1V > >P4 - 9,9V - 4,8V > >P5 - 17,6V - 8,3V > >P6 - 8,2V - 4,4V > >P7 - ??? - 0mA > >P8 - 24,8V - 4,8V > >P9 - 25,4V - 11,8V > > > >As far as I can see the DC values seems to be ok. Does anyone know why > >I got those AC values? > > > >The PCB is the January 13th 2004 version. > > > >Thanks a lot. > >Nico.- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > >250MB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam > >Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo > >http://correo.yahoo.com.ar > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From nicolas_rod at yahoo.com.ar Thu Jan 13 19:45:27 2005 From: nicolas_rod at yahoo.com.ar (Nico) Date: Thu Jan 13 19:45:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <41E6C710.3000008@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <20050113194528.47305.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Kero escribi?: > There is more than one verion of PCB. Can you send the url where you > got them? > > Kero I don't recall the url but I've got a PDF file with all the schemes. The PCB has the following legends: "PCB designed by K. J. Skontorp, checked by O. Tesar", "Ronja TX 3.0 Componentside", "KjS150404". Somewhere in the document there is a "Revision 2.1" legend. Nico. > > Nico napsal(a): > > Hi all! > > I'm sorry to bother you but I have a problem with the Ronja Tx. > > We've managed to build the Tx, Rx and AUI boards (the PCB version > in > > Ronja site) but when tested got some strange results. > > > > Tx PCB Board: > > ------------- > > Test Point - AC - DC > > P1 - 0V - 0V > > P2 - 9,7V - 4,7V > > P3 - 8,4V - 4,1V > > P4 - 9,9V - 4,8V > > P5 - 17,6V - 8,3V > > P6 - 8,2V - 4,4V > > P7 - ??? - 0mA > > P8 - 24,8V - 4,8V > > P9 - 25,4V - 11,8V > > > > As far as I can see the DC values seems to be ok. Does anyone know > why > > I got those AC values? > > > > The PCB is the January 13th 2004 version. > > > > Thanks a lot. > > Nico.- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > 250MB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam > > Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo > > http://correo.yahoo.com.ar > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ___________________________________________________________ 250MB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From klapek at kki.net.pl Thu Jan 13 19:57:26 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Thu Jan 13 19:53:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <20050113192953.GA3076@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41E6C710.3000008@matfyz.cz> <20050113192953.GA3076@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200501132057.26304.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Thursday 13 of January 2005 20:29, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > There is more than one verion of PCB. Can you send the url where you got > > them? > > About yesterday I have sent a Ronja TX board (official :) ) into PCB fab > house :) > > (And Trinitrack board is already there :) ) Speaking of PCBs, I can confirm that those designed by Karl Jan work very well (I had them made in a fab house). Using -E4000 and SFH-203 I measured 0% packet loss at a distance of 2.65m (on the floor) and there seemed to remain some margin, but I have run out of floor. :) The RX and TX were not even tuned. Oh, the TX was a through-hole version, while RX was SMD. The only problem with those PCBs is that they were made using proprietary software, but if someone has the guts (and time...) to draw some PCBs with free software I'd suggest using Karl Jan's as a basis. And the last thing: I used BNC connectors but they SUCK. Totally. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 13 20:00:32 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 13 19:59:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <200501132057.26304.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41E6C710.3000008@matfyz.cz> <20050113192953.GA3076@beton.cybernet.src> <200501132057.26304.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20050113200032.GB3515@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 08:57:26PM +0100, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Thursday 13 of January 2005 20:29, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > > There is more than one verion of PCB. Can you send the url where you got > > > them? > > > > About yesterday I have sent a Ronja TX board (official :) ) into PCB fab > > house :) > > > > (And Trinitrack board is already there :) ) > > Speaking of PCBs, I can confirm that those designed by Karl Jan work very well > (I had them made in a fab house). Using -E4000 and SFH-203 I measured 0% > packet loss at a distance of 2.65m (on the floor) and there seemed to remain > some margin, but I have run out of floor. :) The RX and TX were not even > tuned. Oh, the TX was a through-hole version, while RX was SMD. > > The only problem with those PCBs is that they were made using proprietary > software, but if someone has the guts (and time...) to draw some PCBs with > free software I'd suggest using Karl Jan's as a basis. I have already drawn TX PCB using PCB software which is free. > And the last thing: I used BNC connectors but they SUCK. Totally. I used them on Ronja 115 Loopipe and they sucked too. Cl< > > Regards, > Tomek Koprowski > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klapek at kki.net.pl Thu Jan 13 20:26:49 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Thu Jan 13 20:23:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <20050113200032.GB3515@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200501132057.26304.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20050113200032.GB3515@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200501132126.49155.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Thursday 13 of January 2005 21:00, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > The only problem with those PCBs is that they were made using proprietary > > software, but if someone has the guts (and time...) to draw some PCBs > > with free software I'd suggest using Karl Jan's as a basis. > > I have already drawn TX PCB using PCB software which is free. Yeah, I know. I'm just suggesting that if you (or anyone else) plan to draw RX as well, the layout designed by Karl Jan is a good starting point. The only thing it lacks is holes for screws holding the PCB in a case and holding the internal screens that separate the tree stages of RX. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From jojo at matfyz.cz Thu Jan 13 23:49:35 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Thu Jan 13 23:49:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <20050113200032.GB3515@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41E6C710.3000008@matfyz.cz> <20050113192953.GA3076@beton.cybernet.src> <200501132057.26304.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20050113200032.GB3515@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050113234935.GA8201@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > > And the last thing: I used BNC connectors but they SUCK. Totally. > > I used them on Ronja 115 Loopipe and they sucked too. And why do BNC connectors suck? -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 14 06:56:47 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jan 14 06:56:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <002201c4f9d1$8e1ef0d0$9664000a@MAXIMUMSPEED> References: <002201c4f9d1$8e1ef0d0$9664000a@MAXIMUMSPEED> Message-ID: <20050114065647.GA24241@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 01:39:49AM +0100, MAXIMUMSPEED wrote: > Ahoj u popisu NEBULUSE mate : > a.. Dosah 1.25km s b??n? dostupn?mi ?o?kami z lupy a jednoduchou vys?lac? hlavic? a p?i viditelnosti 4km (Metropolis/Tetrapolis maj? 1.4km). > > nejak jsem nepochopil to s tou viditelnosti - ta musi byt u optiky vzdy mam > tomu rozumet ze se 130 mm cockama NEBULUS vs. RX s 2030F ma dosah az 4 km ? No. Visibility is a quantity that tells how much fog is in the air. Cl< > > PS: mam to udelany podle RYSa s HSDL tak nevim zda to prebastlovat na > NEBULUSe?pripadne kolik na dosahu tim ziskam DIKY MAX From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 14 06:59:46 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jan 14 06:59:02 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <20050113234935.GA8201@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41E6C710.3000008@matfyz.cz> <20050113192953.GA3076@beton.cybernet.src> <200501132057.26304.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20050113200032.GB3515@beton.cybernet.src> <20050113234935.GA8201@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20050114065946.GA24277@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 12:49:35AM +0100, Marian Cerny wrote: > > > And the last thing: I used BNC connectors but they SUCK. Totally. > > > > I used them on Ronja 115 Loopipe and they sucked too. > > And why do BNC connectors suck? The gold plating peels down due to thermal changes on the roof and the rim has bad contact with the hole in metal. Cl< > > -- > Marian Cerny > Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz > > [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Jan 14 10:26:29 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (boza2@volny.cz) Date: Fri Jan 14 10:26:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] zhanam HPWT-BD00-F4000 In-Reply-To: <20050112173722.GA32104@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20050112173722.GA32104@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: Ma, treba ja. Praha 12 Modrany Jordana Jovkova 3251. 25Kc/ks Prijedes si ? Dej vedet na 776 760 171 kdybys chtel behem dneska, jinak treba behem Ne. Ondra ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Marian Cerny" Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net P?edm?t: [Ronja] zhanam HPWT-BD00-F4000 Datum: 12.1.2005 - 18:37:32 > Ahojte, > > nema niekto na predaj 2ks HPWT-BD00-F4000? Praha. > > -- > Marian Cerny > Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz > > [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its > friends are. ] > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kolodziejczak at a2j-net.com Fri Jan 14 13:35:24 2005 From: kolodziejczak at a2j-net.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Bartosz_Ko=B3odziejczak?=) Date: Fri Jan 14 13:38:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Anybody from poland? Message-ID: <002501c4fa3d$e76ac620$540a000a@BuKoVina> Hello! Is there anybody from Poland, who get succeed in building RONJA ? Crush -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050114/b9513c2d/attachment.htm From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Fri Jan 14 14:35:21 2005 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (piotr.p) Date: Fri Jan 14 14:35:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Anybody from poland? In-Reply-To: <002501c4fa3d$e76ac620$540a000a@BuKoVina> References: <002501c4fa3d$e76ac620$540a000a@BuKoVina> Message-ID: <41E7D8A9.4000609@netway.elk.pl> > Hello! > Is there anybody from Poland, who get succeed in building RONJA ? Hi, I am ..... and my Ronja is working for about 3 months... and working GREAT! Tx, Rx (pcb from K.J.S.) + Twister + some changes in mechanics. Some photos will be ready soon.... I'm about to build another Link, but I'm waiting for official TX(and RX?) pcb. pitr From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 14 15:37:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jan 14 15:37:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Anybody from poland? In-Reply-To: <41E7D8A9.4000609@netway.elk.pl> References: <002501c4fa3d$e76ac620$540a000a@BuKoVina> <41E7D8A9.4000609@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <20050114153742.GA28354@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 03:35:21PM +0100, piotr.p wrote: > > >Hello! > >Is there anybody from Poland, who get succeed in building RONJA ? > > Hi, > I am ..... and my Ronja is working for about 3 months... and working GREAT! > Tx, Rx (pcb from K.J.S.) + Twister + some changes in mechanics. > Some photos will be ready soon.... Would you agree with putting that into registered installations at http://ronja.twibright.com/installations.php ? If yes, please tell the details into the table. > > I'm about to build another Link, but I'm waiting for official TX(and > RX?) pcb. I plan to do official RX soon, too. I consider this a priority because soldering airwire seems to be distracting for (especially new to electronics) users. Cl< > > pitr > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klapek at kki.net.pl Fri Jan 14 18:15:07 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Fri Jan 14 18:11:34 2005 Subject: link range--> =?utf-8?q?Re=3A=EF=BF=BD=5BRonja=5D=EF=BF=BDPCB=EF=BF=BDTx?= =?utf-8?q?_=EF=BF=BDproblems?= In-Reply-To: <55312.203.148.138.67.1105675703.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200501132057.26304.klapek@kki.net.pl> <55312.203.148.138.67.1105675703.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <200501141915.08098.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Friday 14 of January 2005 05:08, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > 1) Did you test your system in a dark room? It wasn't pitch-black. Imagine 4:00 PM in the middle of January, 50 deg 16' N, a room with windows on a north side, no artificial lighting. > 2) How far apart between Tx and Rx (of the same end)? Should it be quite a > large gap in order to minimise self interference About 20cm. > 3) We have floated pin 7 of NE592 (one of the output) and do not connect > anything to it, should that affect the performance? I'm not sure. It would be best if you tried and connected the circuit as on the diagram 1k, 3.3n, 2xBAT46, 100n, 100k. If you can't, I would try loading it with some 100k resistor, but that's pure guessing. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From klapek at kki.net.pl Fri Jan 14 18:19:36 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Fri Jan 14 18:16:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <20050113234935.GA8201@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050113200032.GB3515@beton.cybernet.src> <20050113234935.GA8201@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <200501141919.36947.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Friday 14 of January 2005 00:49, Marian Cerny wrote: > And why do BNC connectors suck? The BNC sockets I tried had the middle hole (for the pin) either to tight, which pushed the pin inwards into the plug causing bad contact after a few plug/unplug cycles, or too loose causing bad contact at once. Yet, most of lab equipment uses BNC, I guess it's a matter of knowing a good manufacturer... Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 14 21:03:41 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jan 14 21:03:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja installation details In-Reply-To: <41E82952.1070208@netway.elk.pl> References: <41E82952.1070208@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <20050114210341.GB6431@beton.cybernet.src> > As I wrote before, I want to build few more Ronja's (as fast as possible)... > ...so, is there a good reason to wait for official PCBs? (and how long > will development take?) I recommend deferring building of TX at the end of the work, after mechanics and Twister. If PCB is available then, you can do PCB, otherwise you can do airwire, and then deploy. Cl< From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Sat Jan 15 08:06:44 2005 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Sat Jan 15 08:07:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] noise level at Rx output Message-ID: <50623.203.148.138.67.1105776404.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hi Ronja gurus, Anyone knows what is the typical noise level at Rx's output (point P108), when there is no signal coming in? >From our oscilloscope, we have 400mVpp for one of our Rx's while the other Rx has 120mVpp. This seems to be very high and it is the main suspect of our link distance limitation. Thanks, Ton ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 15 08:32:38 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jan 15 08:31:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] noise level at Rx output In-Reply-To: <50623.203.148.138.67.1105776404.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <50623.203.148.138.67.1105776404.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050115083238.GB165@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 03:06:44PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > > Hi Ronja gurus, > > Anyone knows what is the typical noise level at Rx's output (point P108), > when there is no signal coming in? That depends on ambient light on the RX diode. > > >From our oscilloscope, we have 400mVpp for one of our Rx's while the other > Rx has 120mVpp. This seems to be very high and it is the main suspect of > our link distance limitation. Such levels are OK. Cl< From klapek at kki.net.pl Sat Jan 15 09:28:06 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sat Jan 15 09:24:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?utf-8?b?77+9bGlua++/vXJhbmdlLS0=?= > =?utf-8?b?77+9?= In-Reply-To: <44928.203.148.138.67.1105760590.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200501141915.08098.klapek@kki.net.pl> <44928.203.148.138.67.1105760590.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <200501151028.06385.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Saturday 15 of January 2005 04:43, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Measuring with 60MHz Tektronix oscilloscope, we have noticed that one of > our Rx's has noise level at its output (point P108) of around 400mVp-p, > which is enormous. The other Rx (and better) has a lower noise level of > 100mVp-p (which is still rather high). What are the noise level of your > Rx's at output (point P108) when there is no signal coming, i.e., the Rx > just idly turned ON. Unfortunately I don't have access to any usable oscilloscope to check. One thing comes to my mind: did you place the receiver in a proper shielding box and did you close the lid? Closing the lid is _crucial_. I remember some time ago I had a pair of receivers that seemed to totally suck, until I closed them. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From archaopttrx at arcor.de Sat Jan 15 17:48:27 2005 From: archaopttrx at arcor.de (Mijnherr Daniel Berger) Date: Sat Jan 15 17:49:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <200501141919.36947.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050113200032.GB3515@beton.cybernet.src> <20050113234935.GA8201@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <200501141919.36947.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <41E9576B.4080405@arcor.de> Tomasz Koprowski schrieb: > On Friday 14 of January 2005 00:49, Marian Cerny wrote: > > >>And why do BNC connectors suck? > > > The BNC sockets I tried had the middle hole (for the pin) > either to tight, which pushed the pin inwards into the plug > causing bad contact after a few plug/unplug cycles, > or too loose causing bad contact at once. > Yet, most of lab equipment uses BNC, I guess it's a matter > of knowing a good manufacturer... > There are connectors with 75 Ohms impedance and such with 50 Ohms. The 75 Ohm ones have smaller diameter of the pin so they dont fit together with 50 Ohm types. Make sure you have got the right ones. BTW I think TNC connectors have much better contact on the outer conductor. This is important for me, I need good shielding because I want shortwave reception with antennas on the same roof. They are not significantly more expensive, at least in Germany. Regards, Daniel From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 15 18:00:51 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jan 15 18:00:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <41E9576B.4080405@arcor.de> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050113200032.GB3515@beton.cybernet.src> <20050113234935.GA8201@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <200501141919.36947.klapek@kki.net.pl> <41E9576B.4080405@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20050115180051.GB2840@beton.cybernet.src> > BTW I think TNC connectors have much better contact on the outer > conductor. This is important for me, I need good shielding because > I want shortwave reception with antennas on the same roof. > They are not significantly more expensive, at least in Germany. With wire nuts you get [~~~~~] [ ] | | | | | | / \ / \ | | | ABSOLUT | | | | CONTACT | | | | | | | | | | | | | `~~~~~~~~~' on your shieldings :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 15 18:12:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jan 15 18:11:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Float glasses Message-ID: <20050115181242.GA2883@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have examined couple of float glass panes at my friend's flat using binoculars. I have discovered they are [~~~~~] [ ] | | | | | | / \ / \ | | | ABSOLUT | | | | FLAT | | | | | | | | | | | | | `~~~~~~~~~' Old-style (that were common say 30 years ago) drawn glass panes have horrible distortion and it's absolutely impossible to focus binoculars through them. You can even see the distortion by naked eye when you move your head along the pane. With float glass I didn't have slightest problem. They are common now. So if you are planting Ronja through a window and are not sure, then try viewing the outside with binoculars. If you can't focus, then you are having drawn glass. To be sure no power loss occurs, remove the glass pane and replace with a new one (you can ask for sure that it's a float, but it's default these days). Float pane glass is a relatively cheap comodity. This isn't supposed to be an issue on short tracks. Cl< From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat Jan 15 19:05:33 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sat Jan 15 19:05:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB Tx problems In-Reply-To: <20050115180051.GB2840@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050113184611.34117.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050113200032.GB3515@beton.cybernet.src> <20050113234935.GA8201@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <200501141919.36947.klapek@kki.net.pl> <41E9576B.4080405@arcor.de> <20050115180051.GB2840@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050115190533.GA7845@feanor> On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 06:00:51PM +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > BTW I think TNC connectors have much better contact on the outer > > conductor. This is important for me, I need good shielding because > > I want shortwave reception with antennas on the same roof. > > They are not significantly more expensive, at least in Germany. > > With wire nuts you get > ... > | ABSOLUT | > | | > | CONTACT | ... > > on your shieldings :) During building ronjas we created several connectors a la Clock. After some testing we were so stressed by cumbersome manipulation with them so we cut all of them and replaced them with F connectors. Now were are happy. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In the shops I've been to they distinguished 50 Ohm and 75 Ohm plugs (due to diameter of the wire I guess) but claim the sockets are all alike. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From kolodziejczak at a2j-net.com Sun Jan 16 13:17:51 2005 From: kolodziejczak at a2j-net.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bartosz_Ko=B3odziejczak?=) Date: Sun Jan 16 13:20:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Odp: Ronja Digest, Vol 21, Issue 15 Message-ID: <001801c4fbcd$c8b09660$540a000a@BuKoVina> Hello everyone! I carefully read all the RONJA's documentation, mailing list and one idea crosses my mind: is it possible to transform a fiberchannel transmitter to a free optic transmitter? why don't replace fiberoptics with free optic? won't it work? ps. I'm not an specialist in elecronics. it's only my fantasy invention. ps2. I understand, that RONJA is a do-yourself project, and it's aimed on doing something new, but I want to simplify building wide areas networks, as mine. Best regards Crush From clock at twibright.com Sun Jan 16 15:41:03 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Jan 16 15:40:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <000801c4fbb2$1cecd4d0$9664000a@MAXIMUMSPEED> References: <000801c4fbb2$1cecd4d0$9664000a@MAXIMUMSPEED> Message-ID: <20050116154103.GA17235@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 10:59:47AM +0100, MAXIMUMSPEED wrote: > Ahoj jakym zpusobem bych mohl dat odkaz na TWIKi jsem schopnej udelat Twistery , rx, tx podle casu a myslim ze ne za takove sejdirske ceny za jake tam nekdo nabizi Twistra za 4000 atd. MAX It's necessary to click "Users" above and then "Register" and after registering you can edit any page you want with the Edit buton (it will ask for username and password). The meaning of various markup objects is explained by a handy guide (table) that is present somewhere near the editing capability. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 17 12:10:50 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:10:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Interno In-Reply-To: <41EBAAC0.7030100@neomanage.com> References: <41EB8BFB.2030603@neomanage.com> <20050117120048.GB9766@beton.cybernet.src> <41EBAAC0.7030100@neomanage.com> Message-ID: <20050117121050.GA9823@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 02:08:32PM +0200, UAB Naujos sistemos wrote: > Hello onec again. > > So how we can to order all needed materials and can we get instructions > about Ronja? > And is it posible to get preparated Ronja? We don't sell parts, kits etc. either. What you can possibly get is here: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware Cl< From hollari1 at gmx.at Mon Jan 17 14:22:11 2005 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:22:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] for Bartosz Koodziejczak (Opto parts) References: <20050117120009.22112gmx1@mx039.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20287.1105971731@www35.gmx.net> Do you know any (cheap) converters from Twistet Pair to optics that you can buy as "normal customer" ? Sigi -- Sparen beginnt mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From kolodziejczak at a2j-net.com Mon Jan 17 23:54:53 2005 From: kolodziejczak at a2j-net.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bartosz_Ko=B3odziejczak?=) Date: Mon Jan 17 23:57:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Interno Message-ID: <001b01c4fcef$f4b80360$540a000a@BuKoVina> I'am not a ''normal customer''. I'm a owner of a small company in poland that provides internet access, so I can buy things in many places that, as you called, "normal customer" can't buy. My hardware provider can sell me a TWISTED PAIR TO 100BASE-FX TRANSCEIVER for about 100 $ for one piece. I don't know whether it is a good or a bad price, but my idea was build something simplier and more effective than ronja is (100mbps). Best wishes Crush From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Tue Jan 18 04:02:16 2005 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Tue Jan 18 04:06:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance and gain graphs Message-ID: <1762.172.31.16.74.1106020936.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Dear Ronja guru, We are very curious how you come up with those graphs of link distance and gain posted at http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php ?? We believe that they are based on lengthy calculations, but what equations you have employed to produce such curves. Thanks, Ton -- ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From hollari1 at gmx.at Tue Jan 18 14:10:08 2005 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Tue Jan 18 14:10:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTED PAIR TO 100BASE-FX TRANSCEIVER References: <20050118120031.27325gmx1@mx054.gmx.net> Message-ID: <11285.1106057408@www28.gmx.net> I am afraid this is too expensive to buy 2 pieces and try to get them working as Free Space. Sigi -- Sparen beginnt mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 18 18:56:09 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Jan 18 18:55:28 2005 Subject: ?[Ronja]?noise?level?at?Rx?output In-Reply-To: <1784.172.31.16.74.1106022498.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <50623.203.148.138.67.1105776404.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <20050115083238.GB165@beton.cybernet.src> <1784.172.31.16.74.1106022498.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050118185609.GC20759@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:28:18AM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hi Clock, > > Is 400mVpp really okay? I think this is huge compared to the data signal > swing, which is about 700mVpp-800mVpp. Yes it is OK. It may as well be the full swing. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 18 20:27:21 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Jan 18 20:26:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] On-axis view of 800m link Message-ID: <20050118202721.GA21750@beton.cybernet.src> http://images.twibright.com/tns/16fb.html More photoze from the same link: http://images.twibright.com/tns/10.html Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 18 21:12:07 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Jan 18 21:11:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance and gain graphs In-Reply-To: <1762.172.31.16.74.1106020936.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <1762.172.31.16.74.1106020936.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050118211207.GA22106@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:02:16AM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Dear Ronja guru, > > We are very curious how you come up with those graphs of link distance and > gain posted at > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php ?? > > We believe that they are based on lengthy calculations, but what equations > you have employed to produce such curves. It's based on lens gain measurements and the rest are equations. The equations are visible in the .R and .gnuplot source. I have added links with the sources now. http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php See bottom of the page. Cl< > > Thanks, > > Ton > -- > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This email was sent using SquirrelMail. > https://front.psu.ac.th/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From wrtule at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 09:43:26 2005 From: wrtule at gmail.com (wrtule) Date: Wed Jan 19 09:43:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-1?q?N=E1hrada_74HC32?= Message-ID: Je n?jak? n?hrada za 74HC32 (U54)? Koukal jsem na CMOS 4071. Je to taky 4x2 OR, ale zapojen? jednotliv?ch hradel je tochu jinak. -- ..:: wrtule ::.. wrtule@gmail.com From spider at fonoc.net Wed Jan 19 09:48:47 2005 From: spider at fonoc.net (spider) Date: Wed Jan 19 09:49:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] bpw distance... Message-ID: <41EE2CFF.7000802@fonoc.net> Somewhere in text about testing I saw that with SFH203 on-floor distance is about 2.5meter and with BPW43 is about 60cm... since difference is so big, will it be the same difference when I put lenses ? Or I can expect 1.4Km with BPW43 also ? From kendy at hkfree.org Wed Jan 19 09:50:54 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Wed Jan 19 09:49:53 2005 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_N=C3=A1hrada_74HC32?= References: Message-ID: <00e401c4fe0c$5ea74660$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Neni k sehnani ? Napr na webu gesu ho nabizeji za 4.52,- Kc /ks ----- Original Message ----- From: "wrtule" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: [Ronja] N?hrada 74HC32 Je n?jak? n?hrada za 74HC32 (U54)? Koukal jsem na CMOS 4071. Je to taky 4x2 OR, ale zapojen? jednotliv?ch hradel je tochu jinak. -- ..:: wrtule ::.. wrtule@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 19 10:06:33 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jan 19 10:05:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E1hrad?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?a?= 74HC32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050119100633.GB7892@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 10:43:26AM +0100, wrtule wrote: > Je n?jak? n?hrada za 74HC32 (U54)? > > Koukal jsem na CMOS 4071. Je to taky 4x2 OR, ale zapojen? jednotliv?ch > hradel je tochu jinak. It's not possible to replace HC with 4000 series CMOS. 4000 series are slower and weaker. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 19 10:07:48 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jan 19 10:06:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] bpw distance... In-Reply-To: <41EE2CFF.7000802@fonoc.net> References: <41EE2CFF.7000802@fonoc.net> Message-ID: <20050119100748.GC7892@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 10:48:47AM +0100, spider wrote: > Somewhere in text about testing I saw that with SFH203 on-floor distance > is about 2.5meter and with BPW43 is about 60cm... since difference is so > big, will it be the same difference when I put lenses ? Or I can expect > 1.4Km with BPW43 also ? Yes you can. The difference stems from different geometry and electrical properties of BPW43 and SFH203. If it won't work for you, please tell. It should, but if not, I am going to adjust the specs. Cl< From Korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Jan 19 14:26:29 2005 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Jan 19 14:26:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] bpw distance... References: <41EE2CFF.7000802@fonoc.net> <20050119100748.GC7892@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001001c4fe32$de1e3cc0$02086b0a@atintel> I have BPW43 and distance on floor is over 2m but with damaged BPW43 was distance about 60cm.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] bpw distance... > On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 10:48:47AM +0100, spider wrote: >> Somewhere in text about testing I saw that with SFH203 on-floor distance >> is about 2.5meter and with BPW43 is about 60cm... since difference is so >> big, will it be the same difference when I put lenses ? Or I can expect >> 1.4Km with BPW43 also ? > > Yes you can. The difference stems from different geometry and electrical > properties of BPW43 and SFH203. > > If it won't work for you, please tell. It should, but if not, I am going > to adjust the specs. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 19 17:30:55 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jan 19 17:30:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] bpw distance... In-Reply-To: <001001c4fe32$de1e3cc0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <41EE2CFF.7000802@fonoc.net> <20050119100748.GC7892@beton.cybernet.src> <001001c4fe32$de1e3cc0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20050119173055.GA4711@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 03:26:29PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > I have BPW43 and distance on floor is over 2m but with damaged BPW43 was > distance about 60cm.. How was the BPW43 damaged? Cl< From Korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Jan 19 17:43:41 2005 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Jan 19 17:43:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] bpw distance... References: <41EE2CFF.7000802@fonoc.net><20050119100748.GC7892@beton.cybernet.src><001001c4fe32$de1e3cc0$02086b0a@atintel> <20050119173055.GA4711@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000501c4fe4e$6aa6b170$02086b0a@atintel> I don't know. When I tested it by multimetr (diode testing) multimetr didn't show any forward voltage... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] bpw distance... > On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 03:26:29PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >> I have BPW43 and distance on floor is over 2m but with damaged BPW43 was >> distance about 60cm.. > > How was the BPW43 damaged? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 19 18:20:05 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jan 19 18:19:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] bpw distance... In-Reply-To: <000501c4fe4e$6aa6b170$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20050119173055.GA4711@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c4fe4e$6aa6b170$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20050119182005.GB5921@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 06:43:41PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > I don't know. When I tested it by multimetr (diode testing) multimetr > didn't show any forward voltage... Did you try testing it both direction? Did it show infinity or zero? What did it show in the other direction? If the BPW43 was really bad, I should replace the information about 0.6m with 2m. Cl< From Korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Jan 19 18:48:25 2005 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Jan 19 18:48:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] bpw distance... References: <20050119173055.GA4711@beton.cybernet.src><000501c4fe4e$6aa6b170$02086b0a@atintel> <20050119182005.GB5921@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001101c4fe57$757b4800$02086b0a@atintel> good BPW43: forward voltage - about 0.6V reverse voltage - infinity bad BPW43: forward voltage - infinity reverse voltage - infinity ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] bpw distance... > On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 06:43:41PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >> I don't know. When I tested it by multimetr (diode testing) multimetr >> didn't show any forward voltage... > > Did you try testing it both direction? > Did it show infinity or zero? What did it show in the other direction? > > If the BPW43 was really bad, I should replace the information about 0.6m > with 2m. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 19 19:09:57 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jan 19 19:09:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] bpw distance... In-Reply-To: <001101c4fe57$757b4800$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20050119182005.GB5921@beton.cybernet.src> <001101c4fe57$757b4800$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20050119190957.GB7537@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 07:48:25PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > good BPW43: forward voltage - about 0.6V > reverse voltage - infinity > bad BPW43: forward voltage - infinity > reverse voltage - infinity I wonder why it worked at all. It suggest that the diode leads could be broken or burned off somewhere inside. I have changed the BPW43 distance from 1m to 2m. Cl< From R.Clark.01 at cantab.net Wed Jan 19 21:32:07 2005 From: R.Clark.01 at cantab.net (R. Clark) Date: Wed Jan 19 21:32:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi, I am confused about the 802.3 standard in section 9.5.51: what does it mean in the table by "input" and "output" delays? I mean in simple terms, what is the maximum time delay (or number of bit periods) that there should be from the point when a bit enters the repeater to when it leaves? Also, I am confused as Ronja does not appear to be an IEEE 802.3 compatible repeater as it works FULL duplex and not HALF duplex. (In section 1.4.232 it says: "Repeaters are only for use in half duplex mode networks. (See IEEE 802.3, Clauses 9 and 27.)" ). Many thanks, Ralph From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 19 21:41:58 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jan 19 21:41:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050119214158.GB9280@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 09:32:07PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > Hi, I am confused about the 802.3 standard in section 9.5.51: what does it > mean in the table by "input" and "output" delays? I mean in simple terms, > what is the maximum time delay (or number of bit periods) that there should > be from the point when a bit enters the repeater to when it leaves? > > Also, I am confused as Ronja does not appear to be an IEEE 802.3 compatible > repeater as it works FULL duplex and not HALF duplex. (In section 1.4.232 > it says: "Repeaters are only for use in half duplex mode networks. (See > IEEE 802.3, Clauses 9 and 27.)" ). Do you think Ronja is a repeater? Cl< From R.Clark.01 at cantab.net Wed Jan 19 22:05:29 2005 From: R.Clark.01 at cantab.net (R. Clark) Date: Wed Jan 19 22:05:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050119214158.GB9280@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050119214158.GB9280@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: On Jan 19 2005, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 09:32:07PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > > Hi, I am confused about the 802.3 standard in section 9.5.51: what > > does it mean in the table by "input" and "output" delays? I mean in > > simple terms, what is the maximum time delay (or number of bit periods) > > that there should be from the point when a bit enters the repeater to > > when it leaves? > > > > Also, I am confused as Ronja does not appear to be an IEEE 802.3 > > compatible repeater as it works FULL duplex and not HALF duplex. (In > > section 1.4.232 it says: "Repeaters are only for use in half duplex > > mode networks. (See IEEE 802.3, Clauses 9 and 27.)" ). > > Do you think Ronja is a repeater? > > Cl< > The Metropolis is 2 MAUs and a repeater all in one, is it not? From kucik at net22.cz Thu Jan 20 15:10:39 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Thu Jan 20 15:13:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] vytapeni cocek Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050120160601.02e4fec0@mail.net22.cz> Ahoj asi to tu bylo jiz mnhohkrat rozebirano, ale neni mi jasny vytapeni cocek. V navodu je uvedeno privodni napeti 12V a 4 8R2 v serii. z toho mi vychazi (za predpokladu ze P=U^2/R )vykon okolo 4,4W ale v navodu je uvedeno 2,25W. Jak to ma vypadat? Kucik From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Thu Jan 20 15:25:32 2005 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Thu Jan 20 15:25:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] vytapeni cocek Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61AC3B@vestex01.vest.corp> 2 hlavice v serii? 8 x 8R2 -- Kosac > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Kucko [mailto:kucik@net22.cz] > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:11 PM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: [Ronja] vytapeni cocek > > > Ahoj asi to tu bylo jiz mnhohkrat rozebirano, ale neni mi > jasny vytapeni cocek. > V navodu je uvedeno privodni napeti 12V a 4 8R2 v serii. z > toho mi vychazi > (za predpokladu ze P=U^2/R )vykon okolo 4,4W ale v navodu je > uvedeno 2,25W. > Jak to ma vypadat? > > Kucik > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 20 16:43:03 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 20 16:42:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] vytapeni cocek In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050120160601.02e4fec0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050120160601.02e4fec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050120164303.GA16180@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 04:10:39PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > Ahoj asi to tu bylo jiz mnhohkrat rozebirano, ale neni mi jasny vytapeni > cocek. > V navodu je uvedeno privodni napeti 12V a 4 8R2 v serii. z toho mi vychazi > (za predpokladu ze P=U^2/R )vykon okolo 4,4W ale v navodu je uvedeno 2,25W. > Jak to ma vypadat? V navodu je 8 8R2 v serii. Cl< From Funky at seznam.cz Thu Jan 20 23:58:18 2005 From: Funky at seznam.cz (Funky) Date: Thu Jan 20 23:58:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 Message-ID: <1586.2066-23643-1087968472-1106265498@seznam.cz> Ahoj, nedari se mi sehnat tyhle IO. Ptal jsem se v GMku, v GES, kamarad se ptal i v GM v Praze a nikde ho nemaji. V katalogu sice je, ale borec rikal ze jen na objednani, coz bude trvat asi 1 mesic. Nevite o nejakem obchode kde ho na 100% maji, nebo nema nekdo z vas ? potrebuju 12ks. Dik Jindra ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 250 MB From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Fri Jan 21 13:35:13 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Fri Jan 21 13:35:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 In-Reply-To: <1586.2066-23643-1087968472-1106265498@seznam.cz> References: <1586.2066-23643-1087968472-1106265498@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <41F10511.8080105@tiscali.cz> Funky wrote: >Ahoj, > >nedari se mi sehnat tyhle IO. Ptal jsem se v GMku, v GES, kamarad se ptal i v GM v Praze a nikde ho nemaji. V katalogu sice je, ale borec rikal ze jen na objednani, coz bude trvat asi 1 mesic. Nevite o nejakem obchode kde ho na 100% maji, nebo nema nekdo z vas ? potrebuju 12ks. > >Dik > >Jindra >____________________________________________________________ >http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 250 MB > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Tak to nevim, ja to objednaval pres e-shop na GM a do 3 dnu uz jsem je mel doma.... Doma mam bohuzel jen 8 a vsechny potrebuju. Zkus to pres ten net objednat, treba to tam maj v nejakym sklade. A nebo jsem mel jen stesti na posledni kusy :-) From kendy at hkfree.org Fri Jan 21 13:45:37 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Fri Jan 21 13:44:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 References: <1586.2066-23643-1087968472-1106265498@seznam.cz> <41F10511.8080105@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <017901c4ffbf$7d894100$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> No tak kdyz to nesezenes, tak uz minule tu cl. rikal, ze muzes pouzit HC s tim, ze poladis odporem proud diodou na 100mA.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Strnad" To: "Funky" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 74AC04 > Funky wrote: > > >Ahoj, > > > >nedari se mi sehnat tyhle IO. Ptal jsem se v GMku, v GES, kamarad se ptal i v GM v Praze a nikde ho nemaji. V katalogu sice je, ale borec rikal ze jen na objednani, coz bude trvat asi 1 mesic. Nevite o nejakem obchode kde ho na 100% maji, nebo nema nekdo z vas ? potrebuju 12ks. > > > >Dik > > > >Jindra > >____________________________________________________________ > >http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 250 MB > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > Tak to nevim, ja to objednaval pres e-shop na GM a do 3 dnu uz jsem je > mel doma.... Doma mam bohuzel jen 8 a vsechny potrebuju. Zkus to pres > ten net objednat, treba to tam maj v nejakym sklade. A nebo jsem mel jen > stesti na posledni kusy :-) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Fri Jan 21 14:37:50 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Fri Jan 21 14:41:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] vytapeni cocek In-Reply-To: <20050120164303.GA16180@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050120160601.02e4fec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050120160601.02e4fec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050121152719.02e50250@mail.net22.cz> At 16:43 20.1.2005 +0000, you wrote: >On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 04:10:39PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > > Ahoj asi to tu bylo jiz mnhohkrat rozebirano, ale neni mi jasny vytapeni > > cocek. > > V navodu je uvedeno privodni napeti 12V a 4 8R2 v serii. z toho mi vychazi > > (za predpokladu ze P=U^2/R )vykon okolo 4,4W ale v navodu je uvedeno 2,25W. > > Jak to ma vypadat? > >V navodu je 8 8R2 v serii. > >Cl< Sorry moje blbost. Asi se nic nestane pokud dam do jedny hlavice kvuli pevnosti konstrukce paralelne 2 vetve kazdou s 2x33R v serii cili (33R+33R)||(33R+33R)=33R ? Nebo se pletu? Diky Kucik >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 21 15:08:37 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jan 21 15:07:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] vytapeni cocek In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050121152719.02e50250@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050120160601.02e4fec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050120160601.02e4fec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050121152719.02e50250@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050121150837.GA7185@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 03:37:50PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > At 16:43 20.1.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 04:10:39PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > >> Ahoj asi to tu bylo jiz mnhohkrat rozebirano, ale neni mi jasny vytapeni > >> cocek. > >> V navodu je uvedeno privodni napeti 12V a 4 8R2 v serii. z toho mi > >vychazi > >> (za predpokladu ze P=U^2/R )vykon okolo 4,4W ale v navodu je uvedeno > >2,25W. > >> Jak to ma vypadat? > > > >V navodu je 8 8R2 v serii. > > > >Cl< > > Sorry moje blbost. > Asi se nic nestane pokud dam do jedny hlavice kvuli pevnosti konstrukce > paralelne 2 vetve kazdou s 2x33R v serii cili (33R+33R)||(33R+33R)=33R ? > Nebo se pletu? Nevadi. Zapojte si to jak chcete, jen neprekrocte jmenovity vykon na 1 odpor jaky uvadi prodejce. Pak by nemuselo byt garantovano, ze se po delsi dobe neprepali. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 21 15:09:10 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jan 21 15:08:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 In-Reply-To: <017901c4ffbf$7d894100$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> References: <1586.2066-23643-1087968472-1106265498@seznam.cz> <41F10511.8080105@tiscali.cz> <017901c4ffbf$7d894100$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Message-ID: <20050121150910.GB7185@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 02:45:37PM +0100, Kendy wrote: > No tak kdyz to nesezenes, tak uz minule tu cl. rikal, ze muzes pouzit HC s > tim, ze poladis odporem proud diodou na 100mA.... Jo ale je jich potreba dat vic. Cl< From kendy at hkfree.org Fri Jan 21 15:19:42 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Fri Jan 21 15:19:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 References: <1586.2066-23643-1087968472-1106265498@seznam.cz><41F10511.8080105@tiscali.cz><017901c4ffbf$7d894100$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> <20050121150910.GB7185@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <01c901c4ffcc$a1d7c420$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> 4 budou stacit ? Nebo 5 ? ( 4 se jeste vejdou krasne do krabicky ) -- Kendy HKFree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 74AC04 > On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 02:45:37PM +0100, Kendy wrote: > > No tak kdyz to nesezenes, tak uz minule tu cl. rikal, ze muzes pouzit HC s > > tim, ze poladis odporem proud diodou na 100mA.... > > Jo ale je jich potreba dat vic. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 21 15:41:58 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jan 21 15:41:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 74AC04 In-Reply-To: <01c901c4ffcc$a1d7c420$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> References: <20050121150910.GB7185@beton.cybernet.src> <01c901c4ffcc$a1d7c420$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Message-ID: <20050121154158.GB7253@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 04:19:42PM +0100, Kendy wrote: > 4 budou stacit ? Nebo 5 ? > ( 4 se jeste vejdou krasne do krabicky ) No radsi dej 5. Cl< From R.Clark.01 at cantab.net Fri Jan 21 19:36:18 2005 From: R.Clark.01 at cantab.net (R. Clark) Date: Fri Jan 21 19:36:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050119222445.GA9613@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050119214158.GB9280@beton.cybernet.src> <20050119222445.GA9613@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Hi guys. I am still confused about the 802.3 standard in section 9.5.51: what does it mean in the table by "input" and "output" delays? I mean in simple terms, what is the maximum time delay (or number of bit periods) that there should be from the point when a bit enters the repeater to when it leaves? Thanks, Ralph From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 21 20:17:11 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jan 21 20:16:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <20050119214158.GB9280@beton.cybernet.src> <20050119222445.GA9613@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050121201711.GA8803@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 07:36:18PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > Hi guys. I am still confused about the 802.3 standard in section 9.5.51: > what does it mean in the table by "input" and "output" delays? I mean in > simple terms, what is the maximum time delay (or number of bit periods) > that there should be from the point when a bit enters the repeater to when > it leaves? I don't know. I am not IEEE802.3 specialist. Moreover I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't defined in the standard or were ambiguous. Cl< From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Sat Jan 22 12:00:49 2005 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Sat Jan 22 12:03:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja 100Mbps Message-ID: <4467.172.31.16.165.1106395249.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hi Ronja master, How long before the 100Mbps Ronja FSO become available? There seems to be a lot of interests for that. Surely a great expection as well, after your marvellous jobs with the current models. Thanks, Ton ps. any problem with funding to develop the 100Mbps model? ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sat Jan 22 14:42:42 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sat Jan 22 14:41:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Schema nebuluse: +5V Message-ID: <41F26662.1030608@tiscali.cz> Zdravim, ve schematu k nebulusovi je u odporu R11 nakresleno, ze se k nemu ma pripojit +5V. Kde je ale vzit uz tam uvedeno nemas. From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 22 16:16:47 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jan 22 16:15:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Schema nebuluse: +5V In-Reply-To: <41F26662.1030608@tiscali.cz> References: <41F26662.1030608@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <20050122161647.GA2764@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 03:42:42PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > Zdravim, ve schematu k nebulusovi je u odporu R11 nakresleno, ze se k > nemu ma pripojit +5V. Kde je ale vzit uz tam uvedeno nemas. Thanks for report. This is a bug. Fixed. The end of R11 belong to the common power of the three chips. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 22 16:18:51 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jan 22 16:17:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: ronja mailing lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050122161851.GA2771@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 03:07:47PM +0000, Jasper Wallace wrote: > > Hi, > > I've now got Clam anti-Virus running on the mailserver that hosts the ronja > mailing lists, so that should stop the odd virus leaking through to list > subscribers. Thanks. I didn't notice any virus in Ronja mailing list IIRC. I think this is not necessary to set up. > > btw, What happened with your twiki in the end? had it been hacked? No, thanks for security report. It took me some delay to get to it, but I finally reinstalled it to a secure verison. Just the look is now different due to the new version. Cl< > > -- > [http://pointless.net/] [0x2ECA0975] From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 22 16:21:53 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Jan 22 16:21:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <4467.172.31.16.165.1106395249.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <4467.172.31.16.165.1106395249.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050122162153.GB2771@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 07:00:49PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hi Ronja master, > > How long before the 100Mbps Ronja FSO become available? I don't know. brain now checks Trinitrack airwire prototype, the PCB is on my desktop together with the parts and official TX PCB is in a PCB fab house. > There seems to be a lot of interests for that. Surely a great expection as > well, after your marvellous jobs with the current models. > > Thanks, > > Ton > > ps. any problem with funding to develop the 100Mbps model? No. I hope that people will send contributions to Trinitrack and TX as fast as they did with Twister ;-) Cl< From polous at katka.biz Sat Jan 22 20:58:37 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Jan 22 20:58:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Schema nebuluse: +5V In-Reply-To: <41F26662.1030608@tiscali.cz> References: <41F26662.1030608@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <41F2BE7D.6080002@katka.biz> Daniel Strnad wrote: > Zdravim, ve schematu k nebulusovi je u odporu R11 nakresleno, ze se k > nemu ma pripojit +5V. Kde je ale vzit uz tam uvedeno nemas. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ahoj, ja tam, nic takoveho nevidim [http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/nebulus.png] jedine u metro-tx vidim +5V u R10, C18... [http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png] p0l0us From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Jan 22 23:41:34 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Jan 22 23:41:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Schema nebuluse: +5V In-Reply-To: <41F26662.1030608@tiscali.cz> References: <41F26662.1030608@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <200501230041.34277.ladmanj@volny.cz> Pravdepodobne bude stacit U1 kter?m jsou nap?jeny 74AC04 :-) Jakub On Saturday 22 January 2005 15:42, Daniel Strnad wrote: > Zdravim, ve schematu k nebulusovi je u odporu R11 nakresleno, ze se k > nemu ma pripojit +5V. Kde je ale vzit uz tam uvedeno nemas. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Sun Jan 23 05:42:54 2005 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Sun Jan 23 08:24:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] laser-pointer-based Tx Message-ID: <4346.172.31.16.165.1106458974.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hi Ronja people, I have seen a couple of Ronja installations using Tx based on laser pointer. Do you mind sharing sharing schematics and closed-up photos of your laser-pointer Tx to the community? We really have problem in obtaining good quality LED in our area, but there seem to be plenty of red laser pointers available here. Your help is highly appreciated. Thanks, Ton ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sun Jan 23 11:28:57 2005 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sun Jan 23 11:29:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Mala rychlost. Message-ID: <563.775-6013-1331934975-1106479737@seznam.cz> Zdravim. Vcera sme zapojili na stole nasi ronju :-) Prvni pakety pri pingu uspesne prochazeli.. Bez PL, latence stabilni, male. Jenze propustnost byla kolem 200KB... Kdyz sme dratkama propojili twistery naprimo bez tx a rx, tak to jelo opravdu tech 10Mb. Testovani bylo provedeno zatim na pul metru (jeden RX RSSI : 3,5V, druhy 2,6V). Velkej bastl. Propojeny kratkejma dratkama.. :-) ale ty twistery byly pred tim propojeny mezi sebou taky s tema dratkama a jelo to normalne. Mate nekdo napad cim by to mohlo byt? Diky, Damir >neo10< ?poljari? ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 250 MB From Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= Mon Jan 24 16:59:10 2005 From: Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= ) Date: Mon Jan 24 16:59:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kde je smd verze Message-ID: chystam se setavit rx a tx v smdcku. ale narazil sem na zasadni problem. kde sezenu schemata a osazovacky TS ?? vim ze tu jednou nekdo daval odkaz na takovou barevnou osazovacku... ale uz nevim kam to bylo :( .... dik From daniel_i at desarrollohumano.gba.gov.ar Mon Jan 24 17:48:33 2005 From: daniel_i at desarrollohumano.gba.gov.ar (Daniel Digiano) Date: Mon Jan 24 17:50:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] question Message-ID: <000801c5023c$ec76a920$0119a8c0@c295d> Dear friends: we are a group of Argentineans who we have constructed to the project ronja, but needed aid. the version which we constructed of the transmitter and the receiver is published by Karl Jan Skontorp version 15/04/2004. And of the AUI it is the version of the 25/12/2001 of Clock/KJS. What we needed are the test point, of all pcb. we want to know if mails of Spanish equipment can send us to contact to us with them. From already we thank for the information to them. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050124/91fb1b71/attachment.htm From kendy at hkfree.org Mon Jan 24 21:47:28 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Mon Jan 24 21:47:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Schema nebuluse: +5V In-Reply-To: <41F26662.1030608@tiscali.cz> References: <41F26662.1030608@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <41F56CF0.4040104@hkfree.org> Asi mas namysli ten 100k odpor ze ? To je R10 Ja bych ho pripojil na 14 nohu 7404. Pro Clocka: nebo to je kravina ? Kendy HKfree Daniel Strnad napsal(a): > Zdravim, ve schematu k nebulusovi je u odporu R11 nakresleno, ze se k > nemu ma pripojit +5V. Kde je ale vzit uz tam uvedeno nemas. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Jan 25 10:33:25 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Jan 25 10:33:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Srouby Message-ID: <20050125103325.GA7519@feanor> Ahoj V navodu je casto jiny pocet sroubu v sekci 'Material needed' a jiny se skutecne v navodu vyskytuje. Nevim, zda se jedna o bug, nebo jsem jen neco prehledl. Napriklad (130mm tubular head): material nalezeno self-cutting bolt 4x10 5 4 washer M4 32 28 nut M4 22 14 BTW, Nevite nekdo, kde (V obchodech jakeho druhu) je optimalni nakupovat vetsi mnozstvi matek a sroubu (radove stovky) a jake jsou orientacni rozumne ceny za M4 srouby, matky a podlozky? -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050125/64a3bdb2/attachment.htm From R.Clark.01 at cantab.net Wed Jan 26 09:47:27 2005 From: R.Clark.01 at cantab.net (R. Clark) Date: Wed Jan 26 09:47:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Twister input impedance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi gang, I am confused once again by something. In the Twister the transmit wires of the ethernet cable (I assume you are using CAT5 UTP) go into the circuit and down a voltage divider. The voltage divider is of 50 ohm impedance, but the characteristic impedance of CAT5 UTP is 100 ohms, so surely it would be best to match the impedances and have a 100ohm voltage divider instead of a 50ohm one? Thanks, Ralph From R.Clark.01 at cantab.net Wed Jan 26 09:58:30 2005 From: R.Clark.01 at cantab.net (R. Clark) Date: Wed Jan 26 09:58:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Twister input impedance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, ignore me on this one! I've just realised it's because each wire of the differential pair goes into a 50ohm resistance, to make the total differential input impedance 100 ohms as it should be. Ralph On Jan 26 2005, R. Clark wrote: > Hi gang, I am confused once again by something. In the Twister the > transmit wires of the ethernet cable (I assume you are using CAT5 UTP) go > into the circuit and down a voltage divider. The voltage divider is of 50 > ohm impedance, but the characteristic impedance of CAT5 UTP is 100 ohms, > so surely it would be best to match the impedances and have a 100ohm > voltage divider instead of a 50ohm one? > > Thanks, > > Ralph > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 26 10:06:37 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jan 26 10:05:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: question for help In-Reply-To: <003001c502dc$5d517f90$0101c6c6@C295c> References: <003001c502dc$5d517f90$0101c6c6@C295c> Message-ID: <20050126100637.GA571@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:49:52PM +0100, Daniel Digiano wrote: > Dear friends: > We are a group of Argentineans who we have constructed to the project ronja, > but needed aid. the version which we constructed of the transmitter and the > receiver is published by Karl Jan Skontorp version 15/04/2004. And of the > AUI it is the version of the 25/12/2001 of Clock/KJS. What we needed are the > test point, of all pcb. we want to know if mails of Spanish equipment can > send us to contact to us with them. These things were not taken from ronja.twibright.com and are not officially supported by Ronja, sorry. Cl< > >From already we thank for the information to them. From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Wed Jan 26 15:59:17 2005 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Wed Jan 26 16:01:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] New device Message-ID: Hello all! New device is available. I am mentioning it here because it is compatible with ronja rx and tx and because it is GPL although it is part of completely another FSO system :)) Check it out on my page, it is called OptoPhone! http://silvije.tk greetz to all s. From Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= Wed Jan 26 16:16:33 2005 From: Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= ) Date: Wed Jan 26 16:16:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] tistaky Message-ID: nechce nekdo 4 ts na twistra? obendal sem je od kohouta a sou bez prokovu :(( From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Jan 26 16:41:31 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Wed Jan 26 16:41:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Srouby Message-ID: <20050126164131.GA31436@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Ahoj V navodu je casto jiny pocet sroubu v sekci 'Material needed' a jiny se skutecne v navodu vyskytuje. Nevim, zda se jedna o bug, nebo jsem jen neco prehledl. Napriklad (130mm tubular head): material nalezeno self-cutting bolt 4x10 5 4 washer M4 32 28 nut M4 22 14 BTW, Nevite nekdo, kde (V obchodech jakeho druhu) je optimalni nakupovat vetsi mnozstvi matek a sroubu (radove stovky) a jake jsou orientacni rozumne ceny za M4 srouby, matky a podlozky? -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 27 08:00:05 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 27 07:59:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] test Message-ID: <20050127080005.GA13298@beton.cybernet.src> From daniel_i at desarrollohumano.gba.gov.ar Thu Jan 27 13:20:58 2005 From: daniel_i at desarrollohumano.gba.gov.ar (Daniel Digiano) Date: Thu Jan 27 17:20:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] test points Message-ID: <003601c50473$0a256460$0101c6c6@C295c> Dear friends: We are a group of Argentineans who we have constructed to the project ronja, but needed aid. the version which we constructed of the transmitter and the receiver is published by Karl Jan Skontorp version 15/04/2004. And of the AUI it is the version of the 25/12/2001 of Clock/KJS. What we needed are the test point, of all pcb. we want to know if mails of Spanish equipment can send us to contact to us with them. >From already we thank for the information to them. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050127/5bb27957/attachment.htm From daniel_i at desarrollohumano.gba.gov.ar Thu Jan 27 14:03:20 2005 From: daniel_i at desarrollohumano.gba.gov.ar (Daniel Digiano) Date: Thu Jan 27 18:02:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] help for test points Message-ID: <00a001c50478$f56523c0$0101c6c6@C295c> Dear friends: We are a group of Argentineans who we have constructed to the project ronja, but needed aid. the version which we constructed of the transmitter and the receiver is published by Karl Jan Skontorp version 15/04/2004. And of the AUI it is the version of the 25/12/2001 of Clock/KJS. What we needed are the test point, of all pcb. we want to know if mails of Spanish equipment can send us to contact to us with them. >From already we thank for the information to them. e-mails : daniel_digiano@yahoo.com.ar daniel_i@desarrollohumano.gba.gov.ar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050127/173b9499/attachment.htm From wackyman at centrum.cz Thu Jan 27 20:43:59 2005 From: wackyman at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20=22Tom=E1=B9?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20W=E1gner=22?=) Date: Thu Jan 27 20:44:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus Message-ID: Dobry den, chtel bych se zeptat, zda-li ma LEDka na tx(nebulus) svitit bez pripojeneho twistera a zapojena pouze na napajeni. Me totiz nesviti, nevim cim to je, twister si pujcil kamarad na testovani, tak to nemam jak vyzkouset... From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 27 20:49:02 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 27 20:48:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050127204902.GB17798@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:43:59PM +0100, "Tom?? W?gner" wrote: > Dobry den, > chtel bych se zeptat, zda-li ma LEDka na tx(nebulus) svitit bez > pripojeneho twistera a zapojena pouze na napajeni. Me totiz nesviti, > nevim cim to je, twister si pujcil kamarad na testovani, tak to nemam > jak vyzkouset... It shouldn't shine. It's intentional. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 27 20:50:07 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 27 20:49:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] [jasper@pointless.net: Re: Ronja ML doesn't work] Message-ID: <20050127205007.GC17798@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Accidentally the Ronja mailing list wasn't working for couple of days. Cl< ----- Forwarded message from Jasper Wallace ----- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:40:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Jasper Wallace To: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: Ronja ML doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20050127200647.GA17222@beton.cybernet.src> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on beton.cybernet.src X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Karel Kulhavy wrote: >Hi Jasper > >It looks like the Ronja ML stopped working. People complain about mails >stopping comming to them. I have sent a "test" message which appeared on >the archive, but wasn't resent back. oops, well spotted. >I think you probably must have the same problem with the remaining mailing >lists, don't you? Or maybe it's just something with the connectivity? No, I broke it a couple of days ago trying to fix something else. It's fixed now. -- [http://pointless.net/] [0x2ECA0975] ----- End forwarded message ----- From xpowersa at seznam.cz Thu Jan 27 20:49:25 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Thu Jan 27 20:49:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F953D5.5050803@seznam.cz> sv?tit nem?, teda alespon vsecky co sem zatim postavil, nesvitily, bez zapojeneho twistra, inu dava to smysl, kdyz nema zadny vstupni signal... takze by to melo byt OK :) Tom?? W?gner napsal(a): >Dobry den, >chtel bych se zeptat, zda-li ma LEDka na tx(nebulus) svitit bez >pripojeneho twistera a zapojena pouze na napajeni. Me totiz nesviti, >nevim cim to je, twister si pujcil kamarad na testovani, tak to nemam >jak vyzkouset... > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.986 (20050127) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > From xpowersa at seznam.cz Thu Jan 27 20:54:32 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Thu Jan 27 20:54:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 100 % PL pri malem prenosu Message-ID: <41F95508.7080902@seznam.cz> Zdravim, mam trochu problem nevim cim to, ale pokud pustim pingovani standartnima malyma paketama, tak je 100% paketloss a chova se to, jako by to vubec nejelo, jenze pokud pustim pingy ty same ale s nulovym intervalem, jede to asi tak 4000 pingu za vterinu, tak se to rozjede a jede to s 0% PL a z druhe strany to pak jede taky s 0% PL i s velkym 50 kB paketama. ale se zase snizi prenos na nejakou hodnotu, tak zase neprojdou zadne pakety. zjistil sem ze pokud to rozjedu, tak mi uz pak na "udrzeni spojeni" staci pingovat 20x za vterinu treba 64 B paketama a je to vpohode.. nemate nekdo podobne zkusenosti ?? thx. From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 27 21:18:47 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 27 21:17:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 100 % PL pri malem prenosu In-Reply-To: <41F95508.7080902@seznam.cz> References: <41F95508.7080902@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050127211847.GA18143@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:54:32PM +0100, Austin wrote: > Zdravim, mam trochu problem nevim cim to, ale pokud pustim pingovani > standartnima malyma paketama, tak je 100% paketloss a chova se to, jako > by to vubec nejelo, jenze pokud pustim pingy ty same ale s nulovym > intervalem, jede to asi tak 4000 pingu za vterinu, tak se to rozjede a > jede to s 0% PL a z druhe strany to pak jede taky s 0% PL i s velkym 50 > kB paketama. > ale se zase snizi prenos na nejakou hodnotu, tak zase neprojdou zadne > pakety. zjistil sem ze pokud to rozjedu, tak mi uz pak na "udrzeni > spojeni" staci pingovat 20x za vterinu treba 64 B paketama a je to vpohode.. > nemate nekdo podobne zkusenosti ?? thx. Which model of Ronja is this? Is something built differently from the guide? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 27 21:21:43 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 27 21:20:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Twister input impedance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050127212143.GB18143@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 09:47:27AM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > Hi gang, I am confused once again by something. In the Twister the transmit > wires of the ethernet cable (I assume you are using CAT5 UTP) go into the > circuit and down a voltage divider. The voltage divider is of 50 ohm > impedance, but the characteristic impedance of CAT5 UTP is 100 ohms, so > surely it would be best to match the impedances and have a 100ohm voltage > divider instead of a 50ohm one? I don't see how "voltage divider is 50ohm impedance and cable is 100ohm" implies that "cable is unmatched to the divider". Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Jan 27 21:21:19 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Jan 27 21:21:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] kde je smd verze References: Message-ID: <003f01c504b6$24e6ed80$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Jestli mysl?s ty K.J.S./Onra Tesar tist?ky, tak jsem neco splodil j?: http://www.cipis.net/ronja/ Cipis P.S. Chyby, co jsem v tom sv?m nasel, tak jsem uz opravil, ale jeste jsem od t? doby nenasel cas, abych to ozivil, tak to radsi zkontroluj. Jinak KJS to m? na sv?ch str?nk?ch v pdf i doc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k @avas5.tiscali.cz" To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: [Ronja] kde je smd verze > chystam se setavit rx a tx v smdcku. ale narazil sem na zasadni problem. kde sezenu schemata a osazovacky TS ?? vim ze tu jednou nekdo daval odkaz na takovou barevnou osazovacku... ale uz nevim kam to bylo :( .... dik > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 27 21:24:04 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 27 21:23:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] New device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050127212404.GC18143@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 04:59:17PM +0100, Silvije wrote: > > > Hello all! > > New device is available. I am mentioning it here because it is compatible > with ronja rx and tx and because it is GPL although it is part of > completely another FSO system :)) > > Check it out on my page, it is called OptoPhone! Funny :) What center frequency and swing does the FM have? And what is the range of the device? Cl< From xpowersa at seznam.cz Thu Jan 27 21:31:23 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Thu Jan 27 21:31:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 100 % PL pri malem prenosu In-Reply-To: <20050127211847.GA18143@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41F95508.7080902@seznam.cz> <20050127211847.GA18143@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41F95DAB.6070009@seznam.cz> je to verze Tetrapolis, Rx i Tx sou vrabcaky a twistr je PCB, a vse je staveno dle navodu, a soucastky sou vsechny standartni, jedina vyjimka je snad misto BF908 tam je BF988, a fotodioda je SFH203. Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:54:32PM +0100, Austin wrote: > > >>Zdravim, mam trochu problem nevim cim to, ale pokud pustim pingovani >>standartnima malyma paketama, tak je 100% paketloss a chova se to, jako >>by to vubec nejelo, jenze pokud pustim pingy ty same ale s nulovym >>intervalem, jede to asi tak 4000 pingu za vterinu, tak se to rozjede a >>jede to s 0% PL a z druhe strany to pak jede taky s 0% PL i s velkym 50 >>kB paketama. >>ale se zase snizi prenos na nejakou hodnotu, tak zase neprojdou zadne >>pakety. zjistil sem ze pokud to rozjedu, tak mi uz pak na "udrzeni >>spojeni" staci pingovat 20x za vterinu treba 64 B paketama a je to vpohode.. >>nemate nekdo podobne zkusenosti ?? thx. >> >> > >Which model of Ronja is this? Is something built differently from the guide? > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.986 (20050127) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > From R.Clark.01 at cantab.net Thu Jan 27 21:55:08 2005 From: R.Clark.01 at cantab.net (R. Clark) Date: Thu Jan 27 21:55:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Twister input impedance In-Reply-To: <20050127212143.GB18143@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050127212143.GB18143@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: On Jan 27 2005, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 09:47:27AM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > > Hi gang, I am confused once again by something. In the Twister the > > transmit wires of the ethernet cable (I assume you are using CAT5 UTP) > > go into the circuit and down a voltage divider. The voltage divider is > > of 50 ohm impedance, but the characteristic impedance of CAT5 UTP is > > 100 ohms, so surely it would be best to match the impedances and have a > > 100ohm voltage divider instead of a 50ohm one? > > I don't see how "voltage divider is 50ohm impedance and cable is 100ohm" > implies that "cable is unmatched to the divider". > > Cl< > If this were so you could expect reflections (i.e. noise) in the signal coming from the CAT5 cable into Twister. The characteristic impedance of CAT5 is 100ohms so to ensure no voltage reflections, you make the load impedance the same as the characteristic impedance of the cable that is connected to the load. However, I see that the load impedance is actually about 100ohms as the Tx+ and Tx- lines go across 4 resistors of values: 39+12+39+12=102 ohms. How else did you choose those resistor values when you designed Ronja if not by ensuring impedance matching between cable and load? (Did you decide the load impedance of 100ohms by seeing that in the IEE802.3 spec that all the "tests" said they used 100ohm loads?) Ralph From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 27 22:34:43 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jan 27 22:33:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 100 % PL pri malem prenosu In-Reply-To: <41F95DAB.6070009@seznam.cz> References: <41F95508.7080902@seznam.cz> <20050127211847.GA18143@beton.cybernet.src> <41F95DAB.6070009@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050127223443.GD18783@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 10:31:23PM +0100, Austin wrote: > je to verze Tetrapolis, Rx i Tx sou vrabcaky a twistr je PCB, a vse je > staveno dle navodu, a soucastky sou vsechny standartni, jedina vyjimka > je snad misto BF908 tam je BF988, a fotodioda je SFH203. This can be caused by cold joint in the electronics or bug in Ronja design. Is the track installed or are you trying in on the ground? Cl< > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > >On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:54:32PM +0100, Austin wrote: > > > > > >>Zdravim, mam trochu problem nevim cim to, ale pokud pustim pingovani > >>standartnima malyma paketama, tak je 100% paketloss a chova se to, jako > >>by to vubec nejelo, jenze pokud pustim pingy ty same ale s nulovym > >>intervalem, jede to asi tak 4000 pingu za vterinu, tak se to rozjede a > >>jede to s 0% PL a z druhe strany to pak jede taky s 0% PL i s velkym 50 > >>kB paketama. > >>ale se zase snizi prenos na nejakou hodnotu, tak zase neprojdou zadne > >>pakety. zjistil sem ze pokud to rozjedu, tak mi uz pak na "udrzeni > >>spojeni" staci pingovat 20x za vterinu treba 64 B paketama a je to > >>vpohode.. > >>nemate nekdo podobne zkusenosti ?? thx. > >> > >> > > > >Which model of Ronja is this? Is something built differently from the > >guide? > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.986 (20050127) __________ > > > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Fri Jan 28 06:39:57 2005 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Fri Jan 28 06:40:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] laser-pointer-based Tx Message-ID: <1685.203.148.156.15.1106894397.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hi Ronja people, I have seen a couple of Ronja installations using Tx based on laser pointer. Do you mind sharing schematics and closed-up photos of your laser-pointer Tx to the community? We really have problem in obtaining good quality LED in our area, but there seem to be plenty of red laser pointers available here. Your help is highly appreciated. Thanks, Ton ps. sorry if you have receive this message twice ... ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Jan 28 08:34:32 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Jan 28 08:34:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 100 % PL pri malem prenosu References: <41F95508.7080902@seznam.cz><20050127211847.GA18143@beton.cybernet.src> <41F95DAB.6070009@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <002201c50514$30e49a20$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> bych to tipoval tak na nejak? vadn? kond?k (nebo jin? hodnota) nebo tak neco vypad? to, ze se neco mus? drzet nabit?, aby data proch?zely .. Cipis P.S. nechtejte po me tedka vyj?dren? technika, je po r?nu :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austin" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100 % PL pri malem prenosu > je to verze Tetrapolis, Rx i Tx sou vrabcaky a twistr je PCB, a vse je > staveno dle navodu, a soucastky sou vsechny standartni, jedina vyjimka > je snad misto BF908 tam je BF988, a fotodioda je SFH203. > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > >On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:54:32PM +0100, Austin wrote: > > > > > >>Zdravim, mam trochu problem nevim cim to, ale pokud pustim pingovani > >>standartnima malyma paketama, tak je 100% paketloss a chova se to, jako > >>by to vubec nejelo, jenze pokud pustim pingy ty same ale s nulovym > >>intervalem, jede to asi tak 4000 pingu za vterinu, tak se to rozjede a > >>jede to s 0% PL a z druhe strany to pak jede taky s 0% PL i s velkym 50 > >>kB paketama. > >>ale se zase snizi prenos na nejakou hodnotu, tak zase neprojdou zadne > >>pakety. zjistil sem ze pokud to rozjedu, tak mi uz pak na "udrzeni > >>spojeni" staci pingovat 20x za vterinu treba 64 B paketama a je to vpohode.. > >>nemate nekdo podobne zkusenosti ?? thx. > >> > >> > > > >Which model of Ronja is this? Is something built differently from the guide? > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.986 (20050127) __________ > > > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 31 18:33:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jan 31 18:32:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] [jasper@pointless.net: Re: Ronja ML again] Message-ID: <20050131183342.GB3954@beton.cybernet.src> So now it is supposed to finally work... ----- Forwarded message from Jasper Wallace ----- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:53:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Jasper Wallace To: Karel Kulhavy Subject: Re: Ronja ML again In-Reply-To: <20050131092241.GC189@beton.cybernet.src> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on beton.cybernet.src X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Karel Kulhavy wrote: >Hi > >Again it looks like Ronja ML doesn't work. This time my "test" message >doesn't >get it to the archive and people write complaints about getting >undeliverability messages. oops, i broke it again. fixed now. -- [http://pointless.net/] [0x2ECA0975] ----- End forwarded message ----- From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Jan 31 20:49:12 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Mon Jan 31 20:49:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] bug in mast console guide? Message-ID: <20050131204912.GA9174@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Hello In Ronja mast console building guide is this drawing: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/mast0.png Ronja mast console is accompanied with demonstrative photo: http://images.twibright.com/tns/721.html Outer and inner holes are parallel in drawing, but perpendicular in demonstrative photo. IMHO correct variant is in photo, because in this variant both joints of holder have reasonable meaning. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."