From matej at hamradio.si Tue Feb 1 12:53:14 2005 From: matej at hamradio.si (Matej K.) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:53:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister: ok to replace 74HC93 with 74HCT93 ? Message-ID: <41FF7BBA.20008@hamradio.si> Should be fine, but just to be sure before I solder the thing, can anyone please confirm ? Thanks, Matej From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 1 13:28:31 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister: ok to replace 74HC93 with 74HCT93 ? In-Reply-To: <41FF7BBA.20008@hamradio.si> References: <41FF7BBA.20008@hamradio.si> Message-ID: <20050201132831.GB9867@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 01:53:14PM +0100, Matej K. wrote: > Should be fine, but just to be sure before I solder the thing, can > anyone please confirm ? http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material.php At the bottom Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 1 15:35:50 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 1 15:34:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: ronja In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050201153550.GA10389@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 02:51:21PM +0100, Ond?ej Nov?k wrote: > nazdar, prosim te neni navod k sestaveni v cestine? Celej neni. Jen casti jsou prelozeny. Cl< > > Virtually Yours, > bodyremover > From matej at hamradio.si Tue Feb 1 16:25:15 2005 From: matej at hamradio.si (Matej K.) Date: Tue Feb 1 17:38:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister: ok to replace 74HC93 with 74HCT93 ? In-Reply-To: <20050201132831.GB9867@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41FF7BBA.20008@hamradio.si> <20050201132831.GB9867@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41FFAD6B.4010203@hamradio.si> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 01:53:14PM +0100, Matej K. wrote: > > >>Should be fine, but just to be sure before I solder the thing, can >>anyone please confirm ? >> >> > >http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material.php > >At the bottom > >Cl< > > > Ermm, I see, I'm a dummy, sorry... =) Although I have to say, the electronic equivalents for different models are scattered (hidden even) throughout the site, mixed with mechanics info that most people probably (speculating here... I did) skip. Everybody makes the mechanics in their own way, unlike the electronics which is exact. A page with all the possible equivalents for all the modules would be great, linked from the main page... Anyway, thanks a lot! Matej From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 1 17:52:24 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 1 17:51:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Twister: ok to replace 74HC93 with 74HCT93 ? In-Reply-To: <41FFAD6B.4010203@hamradio.si> References: <41FF7BBA.20008@hamradio.si> <20050201132831.GB9867@beton.cybernet.src> <41FFAD6B.4010203@hamradio.si> Message-ID: <20050201175224.GA11215@beton.cybernet.src> > > > >Cl< > > > > > > > Ermm, I see, I'm a dummy, sorry... =) > > Although I have to say, the electronic equivalents for different models > are scattered (hidden even) throughout the site, > mixed with mechanics info that most people probably (speculating here... > I did) skip. Everybody makes the mechanics > in their own way, unlike the electronics which is exact. A page with all > the possible equivalents for all the modules would > be great, linked from the main page... The guide is not inteded for people that do it their own way. The guide is intended for people that do it according to the guide. Cl< From tristram at wtfhax.com Wed Feb 2 06:11:26 2005 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Wed Feb 2 06:12:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <4467.172.31.16.165.1106395249.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <4467.172.31.16.165.1106395249.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <42006F0E.6050400@wtfhax.com> I've looked into this quite a bit and found that to do it ourselves it wouldnt really be ronja, the problem is alot of the circuits cant handle the speed at which 100mb would work, the TX and RX heads are useless and would need a complete redesign. For a start the 74AC04 would be useless at 100mb and the 2N3904's in the push-pull amp wont work either and the rest of the circuits would need to be redeisned to fit any new bits i used. I did come up with a basic design for the new TX head that would be needed but i binned it after looking at what would be needed for a 100mb TP interface i found it out of my area. However looking at the TP modules at http://silvije.tk/ Its looking more likly that with a redesign of the TX and RX heads would be much easier as i belive the modules on the site above would move to 100mb easier than the completely new design needed for the TP module. For me the killer app i need is 100mb at distances of 3-4km+ which would need a new everthing basiclly, Laser based TX head with the support circuits for 100mb. Any help i can have in getting there would be handy Phanumas Khumsat wrote: >Hi Ronja master, > >How long before the 100Mbps Ronja FSO become available? > >There seems to be a lot of interests for that. Surely a great expection as >well, after your marvellous jobs with the current models. > >Thanks, > >Ton > >ps. any problem with funding to develop the 100Mbps model? > > >----------------------------------------- >This email was sent using SquirrelMail. >https://front.psu.ac.th/ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Thu Feb 3 07:53:42 2005 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?Vm9qdOxjaCDIab5pbnNr/Q==?=) Date: Thu Feb 3 07:55:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] switch vs. hub Message-ID: <000a01c509c5$7b7a5830$026fa8c0@woita> Zajimalo by me, jestli pobezi spoj pc - switch - twister - twister - switch - pc (rozumej ty nejlevnejsi edimaxy z obchodu). Asi se to tady uz nekdy resilo, ale nevim kdy. Na druhou stranu si myslim, ze jednodussi bude koupit hub, protoze ten se s tim nijak parat nebude a proste to prekrizi. Tak co je lepsi? Vojta ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050203/617260e7/attachment.htm From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Feb 3 08:10:19 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Thu Feb 3 08:39:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] switch vs. hub References: <000a01c509c5$7b7a5830$026fa8c0@woita> Message-ID: <000f01c509c7$ce409cd0$0103450a@thechosen> hub je drazsi nez switch od edimaxu ne? prodava se to jeste vubec? bezet by to melo ale jen half duplex coz je dost skoda. proc toho twistera nedas rovnou do pc? Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: Vojt?ch ?i?insk? To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: [Ronja] switch vs. hub Zajimalo by me, jestli pobezi spoj pc - switch - twister - twister - switch - pc (rozumej ty nejlevnejsi edimaxy z obchodu). Asi se to tady uz nekdy resilo, ale nevim kdy. Na druhou stranu si myslim, ze jednodussi bude koupit hub, protoze ten se s tim nijak parat nebude a proste to prekrizi. Tak co je lepsi? Vojta _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Feb 3 08:47:17 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Thu Feb 3 08:51:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] switch vs. hub In-Reply-To: <000a01c509c5$7b7a5830$026fa8c0@woita> Message-ID: <4201F325.29488.193BF0@localhost> Pobezi to v pohode. Switch ma jeste vyhodu v tom ze kdyz link spadne kvuli mlze nebo slunicku, tak dotycneho twistera odpoji a sit bezi dal. Pokud je tam hub, tak ten vetsinou zacne poustet sum do site a ta "spadne". Petr > > Zajimalo by me, jestlipobezi spoj pc - switch - twister- twister - switch - pc(rozumej ty nejlevnejsi > edimaxy z obchodu).Asi se to tady uz nekdy resilo, ale nevim kdy. > Na druhou stranu si myslim, ze jednodussi bude koupit hub, protoze ten se s tim nijak parat > nebude a proste to prekrizi. > Tak co je lepsi? > > Vojta From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Feb 3 08:52:53 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Thu Feb 3 08:57:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 100 % PL pri malem prenosu In-Reply-To: <002201c50514$30e49a20$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <4201F475.12185.1E5CA2@localhost> Takovyhle problem jsem mel kdyz byl prohozen TX par v UTPcku do twistera. Na druhe strane pak chodila data s opacnou polaritou proti LIT pulsum generovanym twisterem. Kdyz tam byl zapojen switch tak floodping prochazel, ale sem tam paket ne. Ten switch si podle datasheetu mel nastavovat polaritu sam ale jak se rika nic neni dokonale. Takze jeste jednou zkontroluj kabelaz... > bych to tipoval tak na nejak? vadn? kond?k (nebo jin? hodnota) nebo tak neco > vypad? to, ze se neco mus? drzet nabit?, aby data proch?zely .. > > Cipis > > P.S. nechtejte po me tedka vyj?dren? technika, je po r?nu :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Austin" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100 % PL pri malem prenosu > > > > je to verze Tetrapolis, Rx i Tx sou vrabcaky a twistr je PCB, a vse je > > staveno dle navodu, a soucastky sou vsechny standartni, jedina vyjimka > > je snad misto BF908 tam je BF988, a fotodioda je SFH203. > > > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > > > >On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:54:32PM +0100, Austin wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Zdravim, mam trochu problem nevim cim to, ale pokud pustim pingovani > > >>standartnima malyma paketama, tak je 100% paketloss a chova se to, jako > > >>by to vubec nejelo, jenze pokud pustim pingy ty same ale s nulovym > > >>intervalem, jede to asi tak 4000 pingu za vterinu, tak se to rozjede a > > >>jede to s 0% PL a z druhe strany to pak jede taky s 0% PL i s velkym 50 > > >>kB paketama. > > >>ale se zase snizi prenos na nejakou hodnotu, tak zase neprojdou zadne > > >>pakety. zjistil sem ze pokud to rozjedu, tak mi uz pak na "udrzeni > > >>spojeni" staci pingovat 20x za vterinu treba 64 B paketama a je to > vpohode.. > > >>nemate nekdo podobne zkusenosti ?? thx. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Which model of Ronja is this? Is something built differently from the > guide? > > > > > >Cl< > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.986 (20050127) __________ > > > > > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From xpowersa at seznam.cz Thu Feb 3 09:11:45 2005 From: xpowersa at seznam.cz (Austin) Date: Thu Feb 3 09:11:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 100 % PL pri malem prenosu In-Reply-To: <4201F475.12185.1E5CA2@localhost> References: <4201F475.12185.1E5CA2@localhost> Message-ID: <4201EAD1.3060502@seznam.cz> UTP je dobre, vsak kdyz propojim twistry dratem, tak to jede bezproblemu.. :-/ Petr Seliger napsal(a): >Takovyhle problem jsem mel kdyz byl prohozen TX par v UTPcku do twistera. Na >druhe strane pak chodila data s opacnou polaritou proti LIT pulsum generovanym >twisterem. Kdyz tam byl zapojen switch tak floodping prochazel, ale sem tam paket ne. >Ten switch si podle datasheetu mel nastavovat polaritu sam ale jak se rika nic neni >dokonale. >Takze jeste jednou zkontroluj kabelaz... > > > >>bych to tipoval tak na nejak? vadn? kond?k (nebo jin? hodnota) nebo tak neco >>vypad? to, ze se neco mus? drzet nabit?, aby data proch?zely .. >> >>Cipis >> >>P.S. nechtejte po me tedka vyj?dren? technika, je po r?nu :-) >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Austin" >>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:31 PM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100 % PL pri malem prenosu >> >> >> >> >>>je to verze Tetrapolis, Rx i Tx sou vrabcaky a twistr je PCB, a vse je >>>staveno dle navodu, a soucastky sou vsechny standartni, jedina vyjimka >>>je snad misto BF908 tam je BF988, a fotodioda je SFH203. >>> >>>Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:54:32PM +0100, Austin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Zdravim, mam trochu problem nevim cim to, ale pokud pustim pingovani >>>>>standartnima malyma paketama, tak je 100% paketloss a chova se to, jako >>>>>by to vubec nejelo, jenze pokud pustim pingy ty same ale s nulovym >>>>>intervalem, jede to asi tak 4000 pingu za vterinu, tak se to rozjede a >>>>>jede to s 0% PL a z druhe strany to pak jede taky s 0% PL i s velkym 50 >>>>>kB paketama. >>>>>ale se zase snizi prenos na nejakou hodnotu, tak zase neprojdou zadne >>>>>pakety. zjistil sem ze pokud to rozjedu, tak mi uz pak na "udrzeni >>>>>spojeni" staci pingovat 20x za vterinu treba 64 B paketama a je to >>>>> >>>>> >>vpohode.. >> >> >>>>>nemate nekdo podobne zkusenosti ?? thx. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Which model of Ronja is this? Is something built differently from the >>>> >>>> >>guide? >> >> >>>>Cl< >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>>__________ Informace od NOD32 1.986 (20050127) __________ >>>> >>>>Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >>>>http://www.nod32.cz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informace od NOD32 1.990 (20050202) __________ > >Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Thu Feb 3 15:47:54 2005 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Feb 3 15:48:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] re: hub vs. switch Message-ID: > hub je drazsi nez switch od edimaxu ne? prodava se to jeste vubec? bezet by > to melo ale jen half duplex coz je dost skoda. proc toho twistera nedas > rovnou do pc? Takhle to bezi ted, ale je pripojeny na starej router z P100vky, kerej nezvlada tak velky datovy toky :) Chtel jsem, aby to jelo vsechno v jedny siti, pac propojime par baraku ronjama. V kazdym bude switch a dohromady jedna velka hezka sit. Vojta > > Glo From schum at seznam.cz Thu Feb 3 16:18:30 2005 From: schum at seznam.cz (Mirek Schumann) Date: Thu Feb 3 16:17:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] autonego Message-ID: <42024ED6.3030208@seznam.cz> Cau lidi zbastlil jsem interface podle www.silvije.tk ale protizarizeni nechce detekovat fullduplex. Link je a pingy kdyz se to zapoji do smycky prochazej OK. Mam dva dotazy: 1- zkousel jste to uz nekdo postavit a s jakym vysledkem? 2- muzete me nekdo nasmerovat nebo poradit jak ma ten autonego-LIP vypadat , kdyz se na to divam tak tam je serie kratkych a dlouhych impulsiku ale treba nekde ujizdi naky casy diky Mirek From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Feb 3 16:24:09 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Thu Feb 3 16:24:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] re: hub vs. switch References: Message-ID: <000501c50a0c$ca9f73e0$0103450a@thechosen> hmmm kdyz to pojede HD tak to podle me propusti min nez P100 uroutuje. meli jsme ronju na p150 a pohoda. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: [Ronja] re: hub vs. switch > > > hub je drazsi nez switch od edimaxu ne? prodava se to jeste vubec? bezet by > > to melo ale jen half duplex coz je dost skoda. proc toho twistera nedas > > rovnou do pc? > > Takhle to bezi ted, ale je pripojeny na starej router z P100vky, kerej nezvlada tak velky datovy toky :) > > Chtel jsem, aby to jelo vsechno v jedny siti, pac propojime par baraku ronjama. V kazdym bude switch a dohromady jedna velka hezka sit. > > Vojta > > > > > Glo > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Thu Feb 3 17:34:15 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Feb 3 17:35:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] autonego Message-ID: sice ti neporadim ale zeptam se :) mas to ve vzduchu nebo na TS? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Mirek Schumann > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:18:30 +0100 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] autonego > > Cau lidi > zbastlil jsem interface podle www.silvije.tk ale protizarizeni nechce > detekovat fullduplex. Link je a pingy kdyz se to zapoji do smycky > prochazej OK. Mam dva dotazy: > > 1- zkousel jste to uz nekdo postavit a s jakym vysledkem? > 2- muzete me nekdo nasmerovat nebo poradit jak ma ten autonego-LIP > vypadat , kdyz se na to divam tak tam je serie kratkych a dlouhych > impulsiku ale treba nekde ujizdi naky casy > > diky Mirek > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From schum at seznam.cz Thu Feb 3 18:03:18 2005 From: schum at seznam.cz (Mirek Schumann) Date: Thu Feb 3 18:02:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] autonego In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42026766.1060002@seznam.cz> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): >sice ti neporadim ale zeptam se :) mas to ve vzduchu nebo na TS? >______________________________________________________________ > > >>Od: Mirek Schumann >>Komu: Twibright Ronja >>Datum: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:18:30 +0100 >>P?edm?t: [Ronja] autonego >> >>Cau lidi >>zbastlil jsem interface podle www.silvije.tk ale protizarizeni nechce >>detekovat fullduplex. Link je a pingy kdyz se to zapoji do smycky >>prochazej OK. Mam dva dotazy: >> >>1- zkousel jste to uz nekdo postavit a s jakym vysledkem? >>2- muzete me nekdo nasmerovat nebo poradit jak ma ten autonego-LIP >>vypadat , kdyz se na to divam tak tam je serie kratkych a dlouhych >>impulsiku ale treba nekde ujizdi naky casy >> >>diky Mirek >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > na universalni desce sem chtel overit napred co to bude delat M. From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Fri Feb 4 13:54:17 2005 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vojtech_Cizinsk=FD?=) Date: Fri Feb 4 13:55:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: hub vs. switch References: Message-ID: <000401c50ac1$0532ac20$026fa8c0@woita> Tak nam to jede na ty stovce maximalne 300-400kB/s. To ma do 1,2 MB/s daleko... No, na half duplex to pojede rovnych 10Mbitu ne? Nebo snad 5? nebo jinak? :) >hmmm kdyz to pojede HD tak to podle me propusti min nez P100 uroutuje. meli >jsme ronju na p150 a pohoda. >Glo From kendy at hkfree.org Fri Feb 4 18:38:44 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Fri Feb 4 18:38:52 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: hub vs. switch In-Reply-To: <000401c50ac1$0532ac20$026fa8c0@woita> References: <000401c50ac1$0532ac20$026fa8c0@woita> Message-ID: <4203C134.1070907@hkfree.org> Me to pri testech jelo na HD cca 6mbit na FD 9mbit Vojtech Cizinsk? napsal(a): > Tak nam to jede na ty stovce maximalne 300-400kB/s. To ma do 1,2 MB/s > daleko... No, na half duplex to pojede rovnych 10Mbitu ne? Nebo snad 5? nebo > jinak? :) > > >>hmmm kdyz to pojede HD tak to podle me propusti min nez P100 uroutuje. meli >>jsme ronju na p150 a pohoda. > > >>Glo > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 4 21:13:13 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Feb 4 21:12:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] switch vs. hub In-Reply-To: <000a01c509c5$7b7a5830$026fa8c0@woita> References: <000a01c509c5$7b7a5830$026fa8c0@woita> Message-ID: <20050204211313.GA1654@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 08:53:42AM +0100, Vojt?ch ?i?insk? wrote: > Zajimalo by me, jestli pobezi spoj pc - switch - twister - twister - switch - > pc (rozumej ty nejlevnejsi edimaxy z obchodu). Asi se to tady uz nekdy > resilo, ale nevim kdy. If they are auto mdi/mdx, probably not. If they are manageable, it will run full duplex Otherwise it will run, but half duplex. Cl< From kendy at hkfree.org Fri Feb 4 21:19:30 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Fri Feb 4 21:19:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] autonego In-Reply-To: <42026766.1060002@seznam.cz> References: <42026766.1060002@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4203E6E2.6080103@hkfree.org> Neni mozny ze by to nejak zakmitavalo na tom univerzalu ? Tak jako twister ma byt ve stinene krabicce tak treba tento MiniTP ma byt taky v krabicce.... MK Mirek Schumann napsal(a): > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > >> sice ti neporadim ale zeptam se :) mas to ve vzduchu nebo na TS? >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> >>> Od: Mirek Schumann >>> Komu: Twibright Ronja >>> Datum: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:18:30 +0100 >>> P?edm?t: [Ronja] autonego >>> >>> Cau lidi >>> zbastlil jsem interface podle www.silvije.tk ale protizarizeni nechce >>> detekovat fullduplex. Link je a pingy kdyz se to zapoji do smycky >>> prochazej OK. Mam dva dotazy: >>> >>> 1- zkousel jste to uz nekdo postavit a s jakym vysledkem? >>> 2- muzete me nekdo nasmerovat nebo poradit jak ma ten autonego-LIP >>> vypadat , kdyz se na to divam tak tam je serie kratkych a dlouhych >>> impulsiku ale treba nekde ujizdi naky casy >>> >>> diky Mirek >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > na universalni desce sem chtel overit napred co to bude delat > > M. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From schum at seznam.cz Sat Feb 5 13:21:52 2005 From: schum at seznam.cz (Mirek Schumann) Date: Sat Feb 5 13:21:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] autonego In-Reply-To: <4203E6E2.6080103@hkfree.org> References: <42026766.1060002@seznam.cz> <4203E6E2.6080103@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <4204C870.1060408@seznam.cz> Kendy - HKFree napsal(a): > Neni mozny ze by to nejak zakmitavalo na tom univerzalu ? > > Tak jako twister ma byt ve stinene krabicce tak treba tento MiniTP ma > byt taky v krabicce.... > > MK > > Mirek Schumann napsal(a): > >> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): >> >>> sice ti neporadim ale zeptam se :) mas to ve vzduchu nebo na TS? >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>>> Od: Mirek Schumann >>>> Komu: Twibright Ronja >>>> Datum: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:18:30 +0100 >>>> P?edm?t: [Ronja] autonego >>>> >>>> Cau lidi >>>> zbastlil jsem interface podle www.silvije.tk ale protizarizeni >>>> nechce detekovat fullduplex. Link je a pingy kdyz se to zapoji do >>>> smycky prochazej OK. Mam dva dotazy: >>>> >>>> 1- zkousel jste to uz nekdo postavit a s jakym vysledkem? >>>> 2- muzete me nekdo nasmerovat nebo poradit jak ma ten autonego-LIP >>>> vypadat , kdyz se na to divam tak tam je serie kratkych a dlouhych >>>> impulsiku ale treba nekde ujizdi naky casy >>>> >>>> diky Mirek >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ronja mailing list >>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >> na universalni desce sem chtel overit napred co to bude delat >> >> M. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > to sice mozny je, nebot mozny je cokoli, ale nemam to jak zmerit. Mam jenom obyc. osciloskop co se pripojuje na LPT a ten uz na naky zakmity asi nestaci. No nic pockam az to postavi nekdo dalsi a mezi tim budu dal laborovat. Na moji puvodni otazku jak ma ten LIP pro nastaveni do fulduplexu vypadat mi jak vidno stejnak neodpovedel nikdo. Jeste k tomu stineni, mam 1 twistra na strese v nestineny-LUKA krabicce a funguje bez problemu , takze s tim stinenim bych to nevidel zas tak horke M. From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sun Feb 6 15:00:20 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sun Feb 6 14:59:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx Message-ID: <42063104.1010507@tiscali.cz> Zdravim, tak jsem prave dostavel jednu ronju a mam problem s jejim rozchozenim :(. Twister funguje OK(i 2 mezi sebou), ale rx a tx(je to nebulus a inferno receiver, oba ve vrabcaku) nejedou. Pri pripojeni nebuluse do twisteru infraledka normalne sviti.. Hodnoty namerene na testpointech take nevypadaji prilis ruzove. Nebulus: P1 - 0V P2 - 5,66V P3 - 5,11V P4 - 5,69V P5 - 9,7V P6 - 2,2V P7 - 64mA Rx: P101 - 11,35V P102 - 8,08V P103 - 0V P104 - 6,6V P105 - 1,88V P106 - 5,53V P107(RSSI) - 0V, a to i kdyz byly moduly uplne u sebe P108 - 10,98V P109 - 4,8V P110 - 12,00V Zapojeni jsem nekolikrat kontroloval a vypada OK. Vse je staveno podle navodu. Namisto BF908 je pouzito BF988. NE592 je od Philipse(kdysi se teda resilo neco ohledne vyrobcu NE592 ze to s nejakym jede a s jinym ne, ale uz si to presne nepamatuju..) Pri loopbacku se mi pres to nevrati jedinej paket. Vse je mezi sebou propojeno koaxama 75ohm impendance. Netusite, v cem muze byt chyba? Asi je nekde neco odpaleny, ale fakt netusim co by to mohlo bejt. S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. From elkropac at students.zcu.cz Sun Feb 6 17:06:56 2005 From: elkropac at students.zcu.cz (Libor Klepac) Date: Sun Feb 6 17:07:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <42063104.1010507@tiscali.cz> References: <42063104.1010507@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <42064EB0.50508@students.zcu.cz> Daniel Strnad napsal(a): > Zdravim, tak jsem prave dostavel jednu ronju a mam problem s jejim > rozchozenim :(. Twister funguje OK(i 2 mezi sebou), ale rx a tx(je to > nebulus a inferno receiver, oba ve vrabcaku) nejedou. Pri pripojeni > nebuluse do twisteru infraledka normalne sviti.. Hodnoty namerene na > testpointech take nevypadaji prilis ruzove. > > Nebulus: > P1 - 0V > P2 - 5,66V > P3 - 5,11V > P4 - 5,69V > P5 - 9,7V > P6 - 2,2V > P7 - 64mA > > Rx: > P101 - 11,35V > P102 - 8,08V > P103 - 0V > P104 - 6,6V > P105 - 1,88V > P106 - 5,53V > P107(RSSI) - 0V, a to i kdyz byly moduly uplne u sebe > P108 - 10,98V > P109 - 4,8V > P110 - 12,00V > > Zapojeni jsem nekolikrat kontroloval a vypada OK. Vse je staveno podle > navodu. Namisto BF908 je pouzito BF988. NE592 je od Philipse(kdysi se > teda resilo neco ohledne vyrobcu NE592 ze to s nejakym jede a s jinym > ne, ale uz si to presne nepamatuju..) Pri loopbacku se mi pres to > nevrati jedinej paket. Vse je mezi sebou propojeno koaxama 75ohm > impendance. Netusite, v cem muze byt chyba? Asi je nekde neco odpaleny, > ale fakt netusim co by to mohlo bejt. > S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja zdravim, to napeti P102 je uplne mimo,ze ? resim tu ted taky problematicky rx modul..prochazi pres nej pakety jenom s RSSI > 2V ....musel jsem uz kus po kamosovi predelavat, protoze mel uplne spatne tu cast okolo tranzistoru kontrolni body ted vypadaji dobre, az na P102 kde mam budto 3,46V nebo 4,2V (podle toho jaky odpor dam ..ted jsem tam vratil R104=180k) a P104, kde mam asi 6.3V (s 680 ohmovym R106) to RSSI 2V mam asi na 30cm, ten muj prijimac ma na tuhle vzdalenost RSSI 3,2V ...ale mam ozkousene, ze pakety pres nej projdou i pro nizke RSSI (urcite pro 0.4V) libor -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050206/1b3eaca9/signature.bin From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sun Feb 6 17:26:26 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sun Feb 6 17:25:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <42064EB0.50508@students.zcu.cz> References: <42063104.1010507@tiscali.cz> <42064EB0.50508@students.zcu.cz> Message-ID: <42065342.1070107@tiscali.cz> Libor Klepac wrote: > Daniel Strnad napsal(a): > >> Zdravim, tak jsem prave dostavel jednu ronju a mam problem s jejim >> rozchozenim :(. Twister funguje OK(i 2 mezi sebou), ale rx a tx(je to >> nebulus a inferno receiver, oba ve vrabcaku) nejedou. Pri pripojeni >> nebuluse do twisteru infraledka normalne sviti.. Hodnoty namerene na >> testpointech take nevypadaji prilis ruzove. >> >> Nebulus: >> P1 - 0V >> P2 - 5,66V >> P3 - 5,11V >> P4 - 5,69V >> P5 - 9,7V >> P6 - 2,2V >> P7 - 64mA >> >> Rx: >> P101 - 11,35V >> P102 - 8,08V >> P103 - 0V >> P104 - 6,6V >> P105 - 1,88V >> P106 - 5,53V >> P107(RSSI) - 0V, a to i kdyz byly moduly uplne u sebe >> P108 - 10,98V >> P109 - 4,8V >> P110 - 12,00V >> >> Zapojeni jsem nekolikrat kontroloval a vypada OK. Vse je staveno podle >> navodu. Namisto BF908 je pouzito BF988. NE592 je od Philipse(kdysi se >> teda resilo neco ohledne vyrobcu NE592 ze to s nejakym jede a s jinym >> ne, ale uz si to presne nepamatuju..) Pri loopbacku se mi pres to >> nevrati jedinej paket. Vse je mezi sebou propojeno koaxama 75ohm >> impendance. Netusite, v cem muze byt chyba? Asi je nekde neco odpaleny, >> ale fakt netusim co by to mohlo bejt. >> S pozdravem Daniel Strnad. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > zdravim, > to napeti P102 je uplne mimo,ze ? > resim tu ted taky problematicky rx modul..prochazi pres nej pakety jenom > s RSSI > 2V ....musel jsem uz kus po kamosovi predelavat, protoze mel > uplne spatne tu cast okolo tranzistoru > kontrolni body ted vypadaji dobre, az na P102 kde mam budto 3,46V nebo > 4,2V (podle toho jaky odpor dam ..ted jsem tam vratil R104=180k) a P104, > kde mam asi 6.3V (s 680 ohmovym R106) > > to RSSI 2V mam asi na 30cm, ten muj prijimac ma na tuhle vzdalenost RSSI > 3,2V ...ale mam ozkousene, ze pakety pres nej projdou i pro nizke RSSI > (urcite pro 0.4V) > > libor > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > Tak ja to zkusim jeste cely jednou zkontrolovat, ale stejne si myslim, ze kdyby to bylo blbe zapojeny, tak uz je stejne nejaka soucastka tim padem v riti. Taky nevim, proc se me RSSI vubec nemeni - furt je to na nule i kdyz sou diody na sebe uplne namackly! From polous at katka.biz Sun Feb 6 18:24:19 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Feb 6 18:24:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <42065342.1070107@tiscali.cz> References: <42063104.1010507@tiscali.cz> <42064EB0.50508@students.zcu.cz> <42065342.1070107@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <420660D3.4020501@katka.biz> Daniel Strnad wrote: > Tak ja to zkusim jeste cely jednou zkontrolovat, ale stejne si myslim, > ze kdyby to bylo blbe zapojeny, tak uz je stejne nejaka soucastka tim > padem v riti. Taky nevim, proc se me RSSI vubec nemeni - furt je to na > nule i kdyz sou diody na sebe uplne namackly! > Nic si s toho nedelej, soucastky sou dost odolny. Mimo sukacich brouku a BF9xx bys pravdepodobne poznal od voka, ze je nejaka spalena. P103 bys mel merit s presnosti na mV. Mas tam spatne i p105 12/2+0.5 = 6.5V takze bych hledal okolo. Nejcasteji odchazej ty BF988. Kdyz je na P103 vic jak 0.1mV [jeste mozna 0.2mV], tak je BF mrtvej a nutne vymenit. BF muze umrit i jinak. P104 muze mit klidne az 8V ale ne min jak tech 4.5-5V. Castecne overit jestli chodi samotne RX muzes tim, ze na nej budes svitit/blikat funkcnim dalkovym ovladanim. Melo by se to projevit na RSSI. Ale nejdriv to chce napravit ty tespointy. At se dari.. p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 6 18:43:41 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 6 18:42:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <42063104.1010507@tiscali.cz> References: <42063104.1010507@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <20050206184341.GC3641@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 04:00:20PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > Zdravim, tak jsem prave dostavel jednu ronju a mam problem s jejim > rozchozenim :(. Twister funguje OK(i 2 mezi sebou), ale rx a tx(je to > nebulus a inferno receiver, oba ve vrabcaku) nejedou. Pri pripojeni > nebuluse do twisteru infraledka normalne sviti.. Hodnoty namerene na > testpointech take nevypadaji prilis ruzove. > > Nebulus: > P1 - 0V > P2 - 5,66V > P3 - 5,11V > P4 - 5,69V > P5 - 9,7V > P6 - 2,2V > P7 - 64mA > > Rx: > P101 - 11,35V > P102 - 8,08V > P103 - 0V > P104 - 6,6V > P105 - 1,88V > P106 - 5,53V > P107(RSSI) - 0V, a to i kdyz byly moduly uplne u sebe > P108 - 10,98V > P109 - 4,8V > P110 - 12,00V Please write also the should-be values, I'll look at it then. Cl< From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sun Feb 6 19:21:41 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sun Feb 6 19:20:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <20050206184341.GC3641@beton.cybernet.src> References: <42063104.1010507@tiscali.cz> <20050206184341.GC3641@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <42066E45.8090001@tiscali.cz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 04:00:20PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > > >>Zdravim, tak jsem prave dostavel jednu ronju a mam problem s jejim >>rozchozenim :(. Twister funguje OK(i 2 mezi sebou), ale rx a tx(je to >>nebulus a inferno receiver, oba ve vrabcaku) nejedou. Pri pripojeni >>nebuluse do twisteru infraledka normalne sviti.. Hodnoty namerene na >>testpointech take nevypadaji prilis ruzove. >> >>Nebulus: >>P1 - 0V (0V) >>P2 - 5,66 (4,9V) >>P3 - 5,11V (4,2V) >>P4 - 5,69V (4,9V) >>P5 - 9,7V (9,9V) >>P6 - 2,2V (2,5V) >>P7 - 64mA (65mA) >> >>Rx: >>P101 - 11,35V (11,5-12) >>P102 - 8,08V (3,5V-4V) >>P103 - 0mV (0mV-0,1mV) >>P104 - 6,6V (5V-6V) >>P105 - 1,88V (5,5V-6,5V) >>P106 - 5,53V (5,5V-6,5V) >>P107(RSSI) - 0V, a to i kdyz byly moduly uplne u sebe (0V-4V} >>P108 - 10,98V (10,7V-11,1V) >>P109 - 4,8V (4,73V-4,93V) >>P110 - 12,00V (11.5V-12,5V) >> >> > >Please write also the should-be values, I'll look at it then. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From bbuenaobra at nip.upd.edu.ph Tue Feb 8 16:36:38 2005 From: bbuenaobra at nip.upd.edu.ph (Berns J. Buenaobra) Date: Mon Feb 7 12:44:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Autotranslator References: <200502080102.UAA00638@nip.upd.edu.ph> Message-ID: <001901c50dfc$5cd96d40$6565a8c0@alexan> Hello I'm new to the list I am impressed by the RONJA project which I would like to construct in own country to connect mountain schools to the lowland areas where an ISP is located. I wish there would some automatic translation software for the english speaking group here. Thanks, Berns B. ************************************ Bernardino J. Buenaobra University Research Associate National Institute of Physics University of the Philippines Diliman, Quezon City 1101 Philippines Email: bbuenaobra@nip.upd.edu.ph Tel/Voice: +632-434-4232 Fax/Data: +632-920-5474 Mobile: 0916-255-0056 URL: www.nip.upd.edu.ph/ipl ************************************ From berns.buenaobra at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 14:59:20 2005 From: berns.buenaobra at gmail.com (berns buenaobra) Date: Mon Feb 7 14:59:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Translation anyone? Message-ID: <5279ff3e0502070659332b8af5@mail.gmail.com> Wish I could discuss with you I am very eager to build one here in the Philippine Islands hello were here! Berns B. From kubajz at kbx.cz Mon Feb 7 15:12:23 2005 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Mon Feb 7 15:12:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Autotranslator In-Reply-To: <001901c50dfc$5cd96d40$6565a8c0@alexan> References: <200502080102.UAA00638@nip.upd.edu.ph> <001901c50dfc$5cd96d40$6565a8c0@alexan> Message-ID: <42078557.10505@kbx.cz> Hi, I dont know the problem - documentation is completely in English and if you have some troubles building RONJA, someone will help you here in this forum. The main problem with transaltion at all is that Czech language is very difficult language and cannot be easily translated into other language. Jakub Sykora Berns J. Buenaobra wrote: >Hello I'm new to the list I am impressed by the RONJA project which I would >like to construct in own country to connect mountain schools to the lowland >areas where an ISP is located. > >I wish there would some automatic translation software for the english >speaking group here. > >Thanks, > >Berns B. >************************************ >Bernardino J. Buenaobra >University Research Associate >National Institute of Physics >University of the Philippines >Diliman, Quezon City 1101 >Philippines > >Email: bbuenaobra@nip.upd.edu.ph >Tel/Voice: +632-434-4232 >Fax/Data: +632-920-5474 >Mobile: 0916-255-0056 >URL: www.nip.upd.edu.ph/ipl >************************************ > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From berns.buenaobra at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 15:52:28 2005 From: berns.buenaobra at gmail.com (berns buenaobra) Date: Mon Feb 7 15:52:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Autotranslator In-Reply-To: <42078557.10505@kbx.cz> References: <200502080102.UAA00638@nip.upd.edu.ph> <001901c50dfc$5cd96d40$6565a8c0@alexan> <42078557.10505@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <5279ff3e050207075245469f7f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jakub: The website is perfect! But the discussion forum is quite a hurdle for me. Is it just then alright to post anyway and some kind soul could practice his english with me? Thanks anyway. Berns B. On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:12:23 +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: > Hi, > > I dont know the problem - documentation is completely in English and if > you have some troubles building RONJA, someone will help you here in > this forum. The main problem with transaltion at all is that Czech > language is very difficult language and cannot be easily translated into > other language. > > Jakub Sykora > > Berns J. Buenaobra wrote: > > >Hello I'm new to the list I am impressed by the RONJA project which I would > >like to construct in own country to connect mountain schools to the lowland > >areas where an ISP is located. > > > >I wish there would some automatic translation software for the english > >speaking group here. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Berns B. > >************************************ > >Bernardino J. Buenaobra > >University Research Associate > >National Institute of Physics > >University of the Philippines > >Diliman, Quezon City 1101 > >Philippines > > > >Email: bbuenaobra@nip.upd.edu.ph > >Tel/Voice: +632-434-4232 > >Fax/Data: +632-920-5474 > >Mobile: 0916-255-0056 > >URL: www.nip.upd.edu.ph/ipl > >************************************ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kubajz at kbx.cz Mon Feb 7 15:58:10 2005 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Mon Feb 7 15:58:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Autotranslator In-Reply-To: <5279ff3e050207075245469f7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502080102.UAA00638@nip.upd.edu.ph> <001901c50dfc$5cd96d40$6565a8c0@alexan> <42078557.10505@kbx.cz> <5279ff3e050207075245469f7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42079012.4080303@kbx.cz> Hi Berns, Many people here speak english, especially mr. Clock - author of RONJA, so I think you can get very good support here if something goes wrong... JS berns buenaobra wrote: >Hi Jakub: > >The website is perfect! But the discussion forum is quite a hurdle for >me. Is it just then alright to post anyway and some kind soul could >practice his english with me? > >Thanks anyway. > >Berns B. > > >On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:12:23 +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I dont know the problem - documentation is completely in English and if >>you have some troubles building RONJA, someone will help you here in >>this forum. The main problem with transaltion at all is that Czech >>language is very difficult language and cannot be easily translated into >>other language. >> >>Jakub Sykora >> >>Berns J. Buenaobra wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello I'm new to the list I am impressed by the RONJA project which I would >>>like to construct in own country to connect mountain schools to the lowland >>>areas where an ISP is located. >>> >>>I wish there would some automatic translation software for the english >>>speaking group here. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Berns B. >>>************************************ >>>Bernardino J. Buenaobra >>>University Research Associate >>>National Institute of Physics >>>University of the Philippines >>>Diliman, Quezon City 1101 >>>Philippines >>> >>>Email: bbuenaobra@nip.upd.edu.ph >>>Tel/Voice: +632-434-4232 >>>Fax/Data: +632-920-5474 >>>Mobile: 0916-255-0056 >>>URL: www.nip.upd.edu.ph/ipl >>>************************************ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From kubajz at kbx.cz Mon Feb 7 16:50:27 2005 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Mon Feb 7 16:51:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Autotranslator In-Reply-To: <5279ff3e0502070809552a9339@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502080102.UAA00638@nip.upd.edu.ph> <001901c50dfc$5cd96d40$6565a8c0@alexan> <42078557.10505@kbx.cz> <5279ff3e050207075245469f7f@mail.gmail.com> <42079012.4080303@kbx.cz> <5279ff3e0502070809552a9339@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42079C53.5030504@kbx.cz> Hi Berns, If I understand well, you need to connect two places with FSO (freespace optics). I have to warn you about some limitations of RONJA project. The maximum distance it operates is about 1km when the visibility is good enough (I dont know what is the climate likein Phillipines). If you need a reliable FSO, you have to backup it with Wifi or something like that. But if you do not need 100% reliability and cost effective solution, you can try RONJA... RONJA is cheap in material, but not so in total. Building of two pairs (one link) of RxTx heads lasts about a week to build - 7x10 hours for experienced people with soldering etc. Have a lot of fun with RONJA and I wish you successful link! Jakub Sykora berns buenaobra wrote: >Hello Jakub: > >Great! Thanks I wanted to build them for the poor public school system >here in the provinces. I have a heart for teachers (since I am one too >before at www.cite.edu.ph) who had to stay in the mountain for days to >teach children it's rather a long and difficult climb to bring the >books and limited information -- so I thought initially I could build >a WAP and rigged on a Yagi or a mesh but the combined cost for a WAP >and the antenna system is cost prohibitive -- with my recent move to >move to Mandrake 10.1 I bumped into all sorts of requirements for >hardware to run a free OS? And as well as hardware. It actually >occured to me how I would rigged the WLAN chipset into converting the >RF final output to some form of light pulses! I never thought I would >meet RONJA -- which completely cleared everything in my hazy idea. I >work a lot with optics but for microscopy also I design my own >hardware and write control software for them for lab work since moving >to physics 3-5 years ago. > >Thanks I think the founder of RONJA is a genius! My mouth seems to >water after seeing those installation pictures! > >Berns B. > > >On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:58:10 +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: > > >>Hi Berns, >> >>Many people here speak english, especially mr. Clock - author of RONJA, >>so I think you can get very good support here if something goes wrong... >> >>JS >> >>berns buenaobra wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Jakub: >>> >>>The website is perfect! But the discussion forum is quite a hurdle for >>>me. Is it just then alright to post anyway and some kind soul could >>>practice his english with me? >>> >>>Thanks anyway. >>> >>>Berns B. >>> >>> >>>On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:12:23 +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>I dont know the problem - documentation is completely in English and if >>>>you have some troubles building RONJA, someone will help you here in >>>>this forum. The main problem with transaltion at all is that Czech >>>>language is very difficult language and cannot be easily translated into >>>>other language. >>>> >>>>Jakub Sykora >>>> >>>>Berns J. Buenaobra wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hello I'm new to the list I am impressed by the RONJA project which I would >>>>>like to construct in own country to connect mountain schools to the lowland >>>>>areas where an ISP is located. >>>>> >>>>>I wish there would some automatic translation software for the english >>>>>speaking group here. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>> >>>>>Berns B. >>>>>************************************ >>>>>Bernardino J. Buenaobra >>>>>University Research Associate >>>>>National Institute of Physics >>>>>University of the Philippines >>>>>Diliman, Quezon City 1101 >>>>>Philippines >>>>> >>>>>Email: bbuenaobra@nip.upd.edu.ph >>>>>Tel/Voice: +632-434-4232 >>>>>Fax/Data: +632-920-5474 >>>>>Mobile: 0916-255-0056 >>>>>URL: www.nip.upd.edu.ph/ipl >>>>>************************************ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Feb 7 17:17:22 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Feb 7 17:17:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Autotranslator In-Reply-To: <42079012.4080303@kbx.cz> References: <200502080102.UAA00638@nip.upd.edu.ph> <5279ff3e050207075245469f7f@mail.gmail.com> <42079012.4080303@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <200502071817.22356.ladmanj@volny.cz> Basic thing is, that mail written here in Czech is targeted to Czechs and contains mostly local specific informations. In many cases Czechs are asking here, if they not understand the english documentation. So, if you receive a mail written in czech, do not worry and delete it. Jakub From mixaj at mymail.cz Mon Feb 7 18:56:33 2005 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Mon Feb 7 18:56:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Autotranslator References: <200502080102.UAA00638@nip.upd.edu.ph><001901c50dfc$5cd96d40$6565a8c0@alexan> <42078557.10505@kbx.cz> <5279ff3e050207075245469f7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c50d46$c03667f0$d203a8c0@diablo> But I think that all english sites should be translated into CZECH, SPANISH, .......... ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "berns buenaobra" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Autotranslator > Hi Jakub: > > The website is perfect! But the discussion forum is quite a hurdle for > me. Is it just then alright to post anyway and some kind soul could > practice his english with me? > > Thanks anyway. > > Berns B. > > > On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:12:23 +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I dont know the problem - documentation is completely in English and if > > you have some troubles building RONJA, someone will help you here in > > this forum. The main problem with transaltion at all is that Czech > > language is very difficult language and cannot be easily translated into > > other language. > > > > Jakub Sykora > > > > Berns J. Buenaobra wrote: > > > > >Hello I'm new to the list I am impressed by the RONJA project which I would > > >like to construct in own country to connect mountain schools to the lowland > > >areas where an ISP is located. > > > > > >I wish there would some automatic translation software for the english > > >speaking group here. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Berns B. > > >************************************ > > >Bernardino J. Buenaobra > > >University Research Associate > > >National Institute of Physics > > >University of the Philippines > > >Diliman, Quezon City 1101 > > >Philippines > > > > > >Email: bbuenaobra@nip.upd.edu.ph > > >Tel/Voice: +632-434-4232 > > >Fax/Data: +632-920-5474 > > >Mobile: 0916-255-0056 > > >URL: www.nip.upd.edu.ph/ipl > > >************************************ > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Mon Feb 7 19:11:47 2005 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Mon Feb 7 19:11:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Autotranslator In-Reply-To: <5279ff3e05020710436eba7b0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502080102.UAA00638@nip.upd.edu.ph> <001901c50dfc$5cd96d40$6565a8c0@alexan> <42078557.10505@kbx.cz> <5279ff3e050207075245469f7f@mail.gmail.com> <42079012.4080303@kbx.cz> <5279ff3e0502070809552a9339@mail.gmail.com> <42079C53.5030504@kbx.cz> <5279ff3e05020710436eba7b0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4207BD73.1080509@kbx.cz> I forgot one thing - if you use more Tx heads (two) you get sqrt(2) more light at Rx so it is more reliable - summaries are on ronja.twibright... Retranslation is possible by chaining RONJAs - You just put two pairs between those two and connect them using cross rule - Rx2Tx - you do not need to build twister or AUI interface - advantage. The disadvantage is, you have to power these two pairs :( The temperature should not be problem when using good materials and something like umbrellas :) Ronja was especially designed for climate in Europe etc. so it operates in -20 +50 degrees, but I dont see any problem... Maybe if your country is dry enough, you can ventilate the TX and Rx heads... I am not expert for building RONJA, but all I write was realized with success - you can see some photos at ronja.twibright... Do not hesitate to ask more, but better is to write to ML as I am not expert and more people can say more - or as we say in Czech Republic - More heads more wisdom! :) Sincerely Yours, Jakub Sykora berns buenaobra wrote: >Hi Jakub: > >I'm still up at the lab trying to design a set-up for Flouresence >Spectroscopy pretty much RF too but quite stringent hmm...I never >reliazed it it's like 2:35am here! Yes, I have seen and read papers in >FSO and thanks for the tip about the back-up thing. > >I would like to go for a cheap solution were a third world country. No >problem with labour and hardwork I'm use to that I've been a analog >test engineer for an american owned semicondor plant here and an >application engineer from college work. > >If it's like 1KM effective would it be possible to construct RONJA as >active repeater back to back? How? The place I'm going to put this up >is clear skies no smogs no fogs but quite temperate -- youll burn >yourself under the sun in a few hours -- its hilly terrain wth rice >fields in between. > >Thanks again I think I'm actually able to discuss with this group now! > >Regards, > >Berns B. > > >On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:50:27 +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: > > >>Hi Berns, >> >>If I understand well, you need to connect two places with FSO (freespace >>optics). I have to warn you about some limitations of RONJA project. The >>maximum distance it operates is about 1km when the visibility is good >>enough (I dont know what is the climate likein Phillipines). If you need >>a reliable FSO, you have to backup it with Wifi or something like that. >>But if you do not need 100% reliability and cost effective solution, you >>can try RONJA... RONJA is cheap in material, but not so in total. >>Building of two pairs (one link) of RxTx heads lasts about a week to >>build - 7x10 hours for experienced people with soldering etc. >> >>Have a lot of fun with RONJA and I wish you successful link! >> >>Jakub Sykora >> >>berns buenaobra wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello Jakub: >>> >>>Great! Thanks I wanted to build them for the poor public school system >>>here in the provinces. I have a heart for teachers (since I am one too >>>before at www.cite.edu.ph) who had to stay in the mountain for days to >>>teach children it's rather a long and difficult climb to bring the >>>books and limited information -- so I thought initially I could build >>>a WAP and rigged on a Yagi or a mesh but the combined cost for a WAP >>>and the antenna system is cost prohibitive -- with my recent move to >>>move to Mandrake 10.1 I bumped into all sorts of requirements for >>>hardware to run a free OS? And as well as hardware. It actually >>>occured to me how I would rigged the WLAN chipset into converting the >>>RF final output to some form of light pulses! I never thought I would >>>meet RONJA -- which completely cleared everything in my hazy idea. I >>>work a lot with optics but for microscopy also I design my own >>>hardware and write control software for them for lab work since moving >>>to physics 3-5 years ago. >>> >>>Thanks I think the founder of RONJA is a genius! My mouth seems to >>>water after seeing those installation pictures! >>> >>>Berns B. >>> >>> >>>On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:58:10 +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi Berns, >>>> >>>>Many people here speak english, especially mr. Clock - author of RONJA, >>>>so I think you can get very good support here if something goes wrong... >>>> >>>>JS >>>> >>>>berns buenaobra wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi Jakub: >>>>> >>>>>The website is perfect! But the discussion forum is quite a hurdle for >>>>>me. Is it just then alright to post anyway and some kind soul could >>>>>practice his english with me? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks anyway. >>>>> >>>>>Berns B. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:12:23 +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>>I dont know the problem - documentation is completely in English and if >>>>>>you have some troubles building RONJA, someone will help you here in >>>>>>this forum. The main problem with transaltion at all is that Czech >>>>>>language is very difficult language and cannot be easily translated into >>>>>>other language. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jakub Sykora >>>>>> >>>>>>Berns J. Buenaobra wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hello I'm new to the list I am impressed by the RONJA project which I would >>>>>>>like to construct in own country to connect mountain schools to the lowland >>>>>>>areas where an ISP is located. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I wish there would some automatic translation software for the english >>>>>>>speaking group here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Berns B. >>>>>>>************************************ >>>>>>>Bernardino J. Buenaobra >>>>>>>University Research Associate >>>>>>>National Institute of Physics >>>>>>>University of the Philippines >>>>>>>Diliman, Quezon City 1101 >>>>>>>Philippines >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Email: bbuenaobra@nip.upd.edu.ph >>>>>>>Tel/Voice: +632-434-4232 >>>>>>>Fax/Data: +632-920-5474 >>>>>>>Mobile: 0916-255-0056 >>>>>>>URL: www.nip.upd.edu.ph/ipl >>>>>>>************************************ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > From polous at katka.biz Mon Feb 7 19:13:25 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Feb 7 19:13:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Autotranslator In-Reply-To: <200502071817.22356.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200502080102.UAA00638@nip.upd.edu.ph> <5279ff3e050207075245469f7f@mail.gmail.com> <42079012.4080303@kbx.cz> <200502071817.22356.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4207BDD5.9090201@katka.biz> Jakub Ladman wrote: >Basic thing is, that mail written here in Czech is targeted to Czechs and >contains mostly local specific informations. >In many cases Czechs are asking here, if they not understand the english >documentation. >So, if you receive a mail written in czech, do not worry and delete it. > >Jakub > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > That's right. The most of important ideas are written in english and usualy by author Karel Kulhavy. If you think, that a czech post could be interesting for you, ask for translation here. And I thing someone will help you. p0l0us From kubajz at kbx.cz Mon Feb 7 19:07:19 2005 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Mon Feb 7 19:13:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Autotranslator In-Reply-To: <5279ff3e05020710436eba7b0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200502080102.UAA00638@nip.upd.edu.ph> <001901c50dfc$5cd96d40$6565a8c0@alexan> <42078557.10505@kbx.cz> <5279ff3e050207075245469f7f@mail.gmail.com> <42079012.4080303@kbx.cz> <5279ff3e0502070809552a9339@mail.gmail.com> <42079C53.5030504@kbx.cz> <5279ff3e05020710436eba7b0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4207BC67.1050502@kbx.cz> I forgot one thing - if you use more Tx heads (two) you get sqrt(2) more light at Rx so it is more reliable - summaries are on ronja.twibright... Retranslation is possible by chaining RONJAs - You just put two pairs between those two and connect them using cross rule - Rx2Tx - you do not need to build twister or AUI interface - advantage. The disadvantage is, you have to power these two pairs :( The temperature should not be problem when using good materials and something like umbrellas :) Ronja was especially designed for climate in Europe etc. so it operates in -20 +50 degrees, but I dont see any problem... Maybe if your country is dry enough, you can ventilate the TX and Rx heads... I am not expert for building RONJA, but all I write was realized with success - you can see some photos at ronja.twibright... Do not hesitate to ask more, but better is to write to ML as I am not expert and more people can say more - or as we say in Czech Republic - More heads more wisdom! :) Sincerely Yours, Jakub Sykora berns buenaobra wrote: >Hi Jakub: > >I'm still up at the lab trying to design a set-up for Flouresence >Spectroscopy pretty much RF too but quite stringent hmm...I never >reliazed it it's like 2:35am here! Yes, I have seen and read papers in >FSO and thanks for the tip about the back-up thing. > >I would like to go for a cheap solution were a third world country. No >problem with labour and hardwork I'm use to that I've been a analog >test engineer for an american owned semicondor plant here and an >application engineer from college work. > >If it's like 1KM effective would it be possible to construct RONJA as >active repeater back to back? How? The place I'm going to put this up >is clear skies no smogs no fogs but quite temperate -- youll burn >yourself under the sun in a few hours -- its hilly terrain wth rice >fields in between. > >Thanks again I think I'm actually able to discuss with this group now! > >Regards, > >Berns B. > > >On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:50:27 +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: > > >>Hi Berns, >> >>If I understand well, you need to connect two places with FSO (freespace >>optics). I have to warn you about some limitations of RONJA project. The >>maximum distance it operates is about 1km when the visibility is good >>enough (I dont know what is the climate likein Phillipines). If you need >>a reliable FSO, you have to backup it with Wifi or something like that. >>But if you do not need 100% reliability and cost effective solution, you >>can try RONJA... RONJA is cheap in material, but not so in total. >>Building of two pairs (one link) of RxTx heads lasts about a week to >>build - 7x10 hours for experienced people with soldering etc. >> >>Have a lot of fun with RONJA and I wish you successful link! >> >>Jakub Sykora >> >>berns buenaobra wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello Jakub: >>> >>>Great! Thanks I wanted to build them for the poor public school system >>>here in the provinces. I have a heart for teachers (since I am one too >>>before at www.cite.edu.ph) who had to stay in the mountain for days to >>>teach children it's rather a long and difficult climb to bring the >>>books and limited information -- so I thought initially I could build >>>a WAP and rigged on a Yagi or a mesh but the combined cost for a WAP >>>and the antenna system is cost prohibitive -- with my recent move to >>>move to Mandrake 10.1 I bumped into all sorts of requirements for >>>hardware to run a free OS? And as well as hardware. It actually >>>occured to me how I would rigged the WLAN chipset into converting the >>>RF final output to some form of light pulses! I never thought I would >>>meet RONJA -- which completely cleared everything in my hazy idea. I >>>work a lot with optics but for microscopy also I design my own >>>hardware and write control software for them for lab work since moving >>>to physics 3-5 years ago. >>> >>>Thanks I think the founder of RONJA is a genius! My mouth seems to >>>water after seeing those installation pictures! >>> >>>Berns B. >>> >>> >>>On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:58:10 +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi Berns, >>>> >>>>Many people here speak english, especially mr. Clock - author of RONJA, >>>>so I think you can get very good support here if something goes wrong... >>>> >>>>JS >>>> >>>>berns buenaobra wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi Jakub: >>>>> >>>>>The website is perfect! But the discussion forum is quite a hurdle for >>>>>me. Is it just then alright to post anyway and some kind soul could >>>>>practice his english with me? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks anyway. >>>>> >>>>>Berns B. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:12:23 +0100, Jakub Sykora wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>>I dont know the problem - documentation is completely in English and if >>>>>>you have some troubles building RONJA, someone will help you here in >>>>>>this forum. The main problem with transaltion at all is that Czech >>>>>>language is very difficult language and cannot be easily translated into >>>>>>other language. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jakub Sykora >>>>>> >>>>>>Berns J. Buenaobra wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hello I'm new to the list I am impressed by the RONJA project which I would >>>>>>>like to construct in own country to connect mountain schools to the lowland >>>>>>>areas where an ISP is located. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I wish there would some automatic translation software for the english >>>>>>>speaking group here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Berns B. >>>>>>>************************************ >>>>>>>Bernardino J. Buenaobra >>>>>>>University Research Associate >>>>>>>National Institute of Physics >>>>>>>University of the Philippines >>>>>>>Diliman, Quezon City 1101 >>>>>>>Philippines >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Email: bbuenaobra@nip.upd.edu.ph >>>>>>>Tel/Voice: +632-434-4232 >>>>>>>Fax/Data: +632-920-5474 >>>>>>>Mobile: 0916-255-0056 >>>>>>>URL: www.nip.upd.edu.ph/ipl >>>>>>>************************************ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 8 11:59:25 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 8 13:53:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: ronja In-Reply-To: <003101c50dc2$d0185800$0a00a8c0@fapad> References: <003101c50dc2$d0185800$0a00a8c0@fapad> Message-ID: <20050208115925.GA22145@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:40:50AM +0100, Fuzesi Arnold wrote: > Hi! > > I've read your message in the pointless forum. > Could you help me, where can I find a simple twister schematic (avr/xilinx)? There isn't yet any xilinx/avr schematic of Twister. Just the default one. Cl< > I would like to build my own Ronja, and the original schematic is too > big/complex. > > Regards > Arnold from Hungary > From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Fri Feb 11 03:20:28 2005 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Fri Feb 11 03:20:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] request timed out Message-ID: <56376.203.148.138.67.1108092028.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hello, We have manage to build a complete Tetrapolis, but still have problem when testing the system. We are currently testing at 50-metre distance (very short I indeed). We have only managed to obtain sharp 1MHz signals on both Rx's. This means that the 'optical' link can be established but we still cannot manage to ping without "request timed out" error message. Any idea, what is the most likely cause to such error. On one end we use desktop (Windows XP) while the other end we use laptop (also Windows XP). We previously managed to ping without error at 30-metre but we have found out that our Rx was rather sensitive, i.e., it has to be right at the focal point ... Is that usual? Thanks, Ton ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Fri Feb 11 03:34:27 2005 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Fri Feb 11 03:34:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Is it ok to float pin7 of NE592 of the Rx Message-ID: <38285.203.148.138.67.1108092867.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hello Is it ok to float pin7 of NE592 of the Rx? We disgard RSSI part but use oscilloscope to measure signal right from the signal cable. We can't find component to make RSSI part, so we left it float. Or can I load with a resistor and a capacitor instead? Thanks, Ton ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From anmic at fmg.sk Fri Feb 11 21:44:14 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Fri Feb 11 21:56:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB Message-ID: <001201c51084$7811d810$94ea6cc2@anmic> Chtel bych se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti se stavbou Ronji Metropolis AUI na PCB, prip. ktery navrh plosnaku muzete doporucit (preferuji konstrukci z klasickymi soucastkami, ne SMD). O kolik se muze snizit dosah pri stavbe na PCB, jak se zminuje Clock? Diky za vase zkusenosti >anMic From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Feb 12 07:35:03 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Sat Feb 12 07:35:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB Message-ID: ja to na ts stavel a bez uspechu. byly to takove... oboustranne, do PC se pripojovaly v pravem hornim rohu, dole byly svisle 2 tranzistory ... :) kdybys na ne narazil tak raci nebrat. a nemas lepsi postavit twistra? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "anMic" > Komu: > Datum: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:44:14 +0100 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB > > Chtel bych se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti se stavbou Ronji Metropolis AUI > na PCB, prip. ktery navrh plosnaku muzete doporucit (preferuji konstrukci z > klasickymi soucastkami, ne SMD). O kolik se muze snizit dosah pri stavbe na > PCB, jak se zminuje Clock? > > Diky za vase zkusenosti > >anMic > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From berns.buenaobra at gmail.com Sat Feb 12 13:20:15 2005 From: berns.buenaobra at gmail.com (berns buenaobra) Date: Sat Feb 12 13:20:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5279ff3e050212052028cfcc00@mail.gmail.com> Would this means somebody is actually contemplating making an RF grade PCB for RONJA? I certainly welcome that! Berns B. On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:35:03 +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > ja to na ts stavel a bez uspechu. byly to takove... oboustranne, do PC se pripojovaly v pravem hornim rohu, dole byly svisle 2 tranzistory ... :) kdybys na ne narazil tak raci nebrat. a nemas lepsi postavit twistra? > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: "anMic" > > Komu: > > Datum: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:44:14 +0100 > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB > > > > Chtel bych se zeptat, jake mate zkusenosti se stavbou Ronji Metropolis AUI > > na PCB, prip. ktery navrh plosnaku muzete doporucit (preferuji konstrukci z > > klasickymi soucastkami, ne SMD). O kolik se muze snizit dosah pri stavbe na > > PCB, jak se zminuje Clock? > > > > Diky za vase zkusenosti > > >anMic > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From anmic at fmg.sk Sat Feb 12 17:40:45 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sat Feb 12 17:40:52 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB Message-ID: <002501c51129$fe984310$40ea6cc2@anmic> No v urcitem pripade by jiste bylo vyhodnejsi postavit Twister, ale pripada mi jednodussi postavit AUI interface a sehnat AUI kartu do PC (treba nejakou starsi do ISA za cca 50 Kc). A vysledek je stejny jako pri pouziti twisteru. Navic si nejsem jisty, jestli muzu twister pripojit jen tak do unmanaged switche, protoze nepodporuje autonego. Pokud se pletu, tak me, prosim, opravte. A k tem plosnakum, nemate nekdo konkretni zkusenosti treba s temito: http://www.ccsi.cz/ronja/ ? diky za vase nazory anMic< From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Feb 12 17:44:55 2005 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Feb 12 17:44:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB References: <002501c51129$fe984310$40ea6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <000d01c5112a$92713b00$d203a8c0@diablo> Kdyz myslis.... Podle me je TWISTER lepsi. V obych switchi ti to pojede HD misto FD. Copak to na strankach neni napsane?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "anMic" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: re: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB > No v urcitem pripade by jiste bylo vyhodnejsi postavit Twister, ale pripada > mi jednodussi postavit AUI interface a sehnat AUI kartu do PC (treba nejakou > starsi do ISA za cca 50 Kc). > A vysledek je stejny jako pri pouziti twisteru. Navic si nejsem jisty, > jestli muzu twister pripojit jen tak > do unmanaged switche, protoze nepodporuje autonego. Pokud se pletu, tak me, > prosim, > opravte. > > A k tem plosnakum, nemate nekdo konkretni zkusenosti treba s temito: > http://www.ccsi.cz/ronja/ ? > > diky za vase nazory > anMic< > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jojo at matfyz.cz Sat Feb 12 19:36:54 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sat Feb 12 19:36:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB In-Reply-To: <002501c51129$fe984310$40ea6cc2@anmic> References: <002501c51129$fe984310$40ea6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050212193654.GA639@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > No v urcitem pripade by jiste bylo vyhodnejsi postavit Twister, ale pripada > mi jednodussi postavit AUI interface a sehnat AUI kartu do PC (treba nejakou > starsi do ISA za cca 50 Kc). Somebody was writing here, that ISA can not give 10Mbit, so it will not work full speed (6-7Mbit?). > Navic si nejsem jisty, jestli muzu twister pripojit jen tak do > unmanaged switche, protoze nepodporuje autonego. Pokud se pletu, tak > me, prosim, opravte. If the switch is unmanagable, it will only work halfduplex. But you can not connect AUI into a switch, neither. So if you are connecting Ronja to PC, there is not a big difference between Twister or AUI interface (Twister will be faster, AUI is cheaper). -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 12 20:24:36 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:23:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Schema nebuluse: +5V In-Reply-To: <41F56CF0.4040104@hkfree.org> References: <41F26662.1030608@tiscali.cz> <41F56CF0.4040104@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20050212202436.GA30380@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:47:28PM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Asi mas namysli ten 100k odpor ze ? To je R10 > > Ja bych ho pripojil na 14 nohu 7404. > > Pro Clocka: nebo to je kravina ? This was a bug and is already fixed. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 12 20:33:21 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:32:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] bug in mast console guide? In-Reply-To: <20050131204912.GA9174@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20050131204912.GA9174@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20050212203321.GB30380@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:49:12PM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Hello > > In Ronja mast console building guide is this drawing: > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/mast0.png > > Ronja mast console is accompanied with demonstrative photo: > http://images.twibright.com/tns/721.html > > Outer and inner holes are parallel in drawing, but perpendicular > in demonstrative photo. > > IMHO correct variant is in photo, because in this variant > both joints of holder have reasonable meaning. Thanks for a bugreport. The photo is old. I have added a comment saying it's old. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 12 20:36:29 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:35:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <42066E45.8090001@tiscali.cz> References: <42063104.1010507@tiscali.cz> <20050206184341.GC3641@beton.cybernet.src> <42066E45.8090001@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <20050212203629.GC30380@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 08:21:41PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 04:00:20PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > > > > > >>Zdravim, tak jsem prave dostavel jednu ronju a mam problem s jejim > >>rozchozenim :(. Twister funguje OK(i 2 mezi sebou), ale rx a tx(je to > >>nebulus a inferno receiver, oba ve vrabcaku) nejedou. Pri pripojeni > >>nebuluse do twisteru infraledka normalne sviti.. Hodnoty namerene na > >>testpointech take nevypadaji prilis ruzove. > >> > >>Nebulus: > >>P1 - 0V (0V) > >>P2 - 5,66 (4,9V) > >>P3 - 5,11V (4,2V) > >>P4 - 5,69V (4,9V) > >>P5 - 9,7V (9,9V) > >>P6 - 2,2V (2,5V) > >>P7 - 64mA (65mA) > >> > >>Rx: > >>P101 - 11,35V (11,5-12) > >>P102 - 8,08V (3,5V-4V) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Here is a problem. The voltage divider is probably wrong or the Q101 is dead. > >>P103 - 0mV (0mV-0,1mV) > >>P104 - 6,6V (5V-6V) > >>P105 - 1,88V (5,5V-6,5V) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is wrong too. The resistors around are probably wrong values. The "should be" milliamperes in Nebulus are completely wrong (my fault) because I copied the table from Metropolis TX and forgot to update it. I have put this into the TODO list. Cl< > >>P106 - 5,53V (5,5V-6,5V) > >>P107(RSSI) - 0V, a to i kdyz byly moduly uplne u sebe (0V-4V} > >>P108 - 10,98V (10,7V-11,1V) > >>P109 - 4,8V (4,73V-4,93V) > >>P110 - 12,00V (11.5V-12,5V) > >> > >> > > > >Please write also the should-be values, I'll look at it then. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 12 20:39:18 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:38:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] request timed out In-Reply-To: <56376.203.148.138.67.1108092028.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <56376.203.148.138.67.1108092028.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050212203918.GE30380@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:20:28AM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hello, > > We have manage to build a complete Tetrapolis, but still have problem when > testing the system. > > We are currently testing at 50-metre distance (very short I indeed). We > have only managed to obtain sharp 1MHz signals on both Rx's. This means > that the 'optical' link can be established but we still cannot manage to > ping without "request timed out" error message. This is a problem of the software setup. The ping should not refuse to ping even if the optical link has loss of signal. > On one end we use desktop (Windows XP) while the other end we use laptop ^^^^^^^^^^ Possible problem. Try Knoppix or Gentoo live CD. > (also Windows XP). We previously managed to ping without error at 30-metre > but we have found out that our Rx was rather sensitive, i.e., it has to be > right at the focal point ... Is that usual? This is not much usual. Unless the RSSI is overdriven (4V or something like that). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 12 20:39:50 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Feb 12 20:38:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Is it ok to float pin7 of NE592 of the Rx In-Reply-To: <38285.203.148.138.67.1108092867.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <38285.203.148.138.67.1108092867.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050212203950.GF30380@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:34:27AM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > > Hello > > Is it ok to float pin7 of NE592 of the Rx? We disgard RSSI part but use > oscilloscope to measure signal right from the signal cable. We can't find > component to make RSSI part, so we left it float. Or can I load with a > resistor and a capacitor instead? It can be left floated. Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Feb 13 09:14:39 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Sun Feb 13 09:14:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] loopback Message-ID: bude mi twister fungovat jako loopback kdyz spojim jeho vystup na vstup? (Tx spojim s Rx). nak mi nechce prijimat. ani ledka neblika. stalo se nekomu uz neco podobneho? dik From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sun Feb 13 09:32:24 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sun Feb 13 09:31:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] loopback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420F1EA8.7020909@tiscali.cz> Jakub Michn?k wrote: >bude mi twister fungovat jako loopback kdyz spojim jeho vystup na vstup? (Tx spojim s Rx). nak mi nechce prijimat. ani ledka neblika. stalo se nekomu uz neco podobneho? > >dik > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Jj, mel by fungovat, hlavne musis spojovat jen ty signalni(ne ty stinici). Ani cervena ledka neblika? Si si jisty, ze to testujes dobre po softwarove strance? Zkousel si to uz pri "obycejnym" loopbacku(nastavenej jumperama/prepinacem)? From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 13 09:53:19 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 13 09:52:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja is suitable for kids under 3 years Message-ID: <20050213095319.GA22212@beton.cybernet.src> http://images.twibright.com/tns/15bd.html ... and for dogs too: http://images.twibright.com/tns/15b8.html Cl< From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sun Feb 13 09:55:48 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sun Feb 13 09:55:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja is suitable for kids under 3 years In-Reply-To: <20050213095319.GA22212@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050213095319.GA22212@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <420F2424.40500@tiscali.cz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >http://images.twibright.com/tns/15bd.html > >... and for dogs too: >http://images.twibright.com/tns/15b8.html > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > LOL, tak to me fakt dostalo... :D From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Feb 13 10:09:13 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Sun Feb 13 10:09:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] loopback Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Daniel Strnad > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:32:24 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] loopback > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > >bude mi twister fungovat jako loopback kdyz spojim jeho vystup na vstup? (Tx spojim s Rx). nak mi nechce prijimat. ani ledka neblika. stalo se nekomu uz neco podobneho? > > > >dik > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > Jj, mel by fungovat, hlavne musis spojovat jen ty signalni(ne ty > stinici). no to bych tomu pomoh, spojit stineni :) Ani cervena ledka neblika? Si si jisty, ze to testujes dobre > po softwarove strance? Zkousel si to uz pri "obycejnym" > loopbacku(nastavenej jumperama/prepinacem)? jo, pres jumpry to jede .... sw je 100% dobre. nevis jestli jde videt to co ma byt na tech mericich bodech (tusim ze P53 a P52 ) na 20MHz analogovem oscilu? daji se najak nahradit pakety jdouci z pc nakym generatorem? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 13 10:51:03 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 13 10:49:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] loopback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050213105103.GB22542@beton.cybernet.src> > > Jj, mel by fungovat, hlavne musis spojovat jen ty signalni(ne ty > > stinici). > > no to bych tomu pomoh, spojit stineni :) > > Ani cervena ledka neblika? Si si jisty, ze to testujes dobre > > po softwarove strance? Zkousel si to uz pri "obycejnym" > > loopbacku(nastavenej jumperama/prepinacem)? > > jo, pres jumpry to jede .... sw je 100% dobre. nevis jestli jde videt to co > ma byt na tech mericich bodech (tusim ze P53 a P52 ) na 20MHz analogovem > oscilu? daji se najak nahradit pakety jdouci z pc nakym generatorem? You can use Ronja Hertz to emulate Twister: 1, 5, 10 MHz. Simply connect Hertz output into signal input of transmitter instead of Twister (while maintaining +12V from external supply) or into Twister RX input. PC can'e be emulated this way using current Ronja modules. http://ronja.twibright.com/hertz/ Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun Feb 13 11:45:55 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun Feb 13 11:46:02 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja is suitable for kids under 3 years References: <20050213095319.GA22212@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001301c511c1$944c0ee0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> cigarety, pivo a sic? stroje :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: [Ronja] Ronja is suitable for kids under 3 years > http://images.twibright.com/tns/15bd.html > > ... and for dogs too: > http://images.twibright.com/tns/15b8.html > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Sun Feb 13 11:58:48 2005 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Sun Feb 13 11:58:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] request timed out In-Reply-To: <20050212203918.GE30380@beton.cybernet.src> References: <56376.203.148.138.67.1108092028.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <20050212203918.GE30380@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <420F40F8.6090408@tiscali.cz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:20:28AM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>We have manage to build a complete Tetrapolis, but still have problem when >>testing the system. >> >>We are currently testing at 50-metre distance (very short I indeed). We >>have only managed to obtain sharp 1MHz signals on both Rx's. This means >>that the 'optical' link can be established but we still cannot manage to >>ping without "request timed out" error message. > > > This is a problem of the software setup. The ping should not refuse to ping > even if the optical link has loss of signal. > > >>On one end we use desktop (Windows XP) while the other end we use laptop > > ^^^^^^^^^^ > > Possible problem. Try Knoppix or Gentoo live CD. Maybe this is not the case, Ton wrote he previously managed to ping at 30 meters. (Although Win XP SP2 by default blocks ICMP echo requests, you need to allow them in firewall settings) MS ping implementation writes out "Request timed out" message when it doesn't receive echo reply within timeout time (4000ms by default) http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/ping.mspx Regards, Martin From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 13 12:14:31 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 13 12:13:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] request timed out In-Reply-To: <420F40F8.6090408@tiscali.cz> References: <56376.203.148.138.67.1108092028.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <20050212203918.GE30380@beton.cybernet.src> <420F40F8.6090408@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <20050213121431.GA23175@beton.cybernet.src> > Maybe this is not the case, Ton wrote he previously managed to ping at 30 > meters. > (Although Win XP SP2 by default blocks ICMP echo requests, you need to > allow them > in firewall settings) No I mean it may be difficult to write into Win XP arp table to make it ping even if the reception from the other side doesn't work. This is easy in Linux. Cl< From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Sun Feb 13 13:18:15 2005 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Sun Feb 13 13:14:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] request timed out In-Reply-To: <20050213121431.GA23175@beton.cybernet.src> References: <56376.203.148.138.67.1108092028.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <20050212203918.GE30380@beton.cybernet.src> <420F40F8.6090408@tiscali.cz> <20050213121431.GA23175@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <420F5397.2040406@jkl.darktech.org> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >>Maybe this is not the case, Ton wrote he previously managed to ping at 30 >>meters. >>(Although Win XP SP2 by default blocks ICMP echo requests, you need to >>allow them >>in firewall settings) > > > No I mean it may be difficult to write into Win XP arp table to make it ping > even if the reception from the other side doesn't work. This is easy in Linux. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ARP table can be simply modified too in WinNT, Win2000, WinXP by arp command like: arp -s 192.168.1.2 00-aa-00-62-c6-09 .... Adds a static entry. -jkl- From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Feb 13 14:00:05 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Feb 13 14:00:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB In-Reply-To: <20050212193654.GA639@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <002501c51129$fe984310$40ea6cc2@anmic> <20050212193654.GA639@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <200502131500.05325.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Saturday 12 February 2005 20:36, Marian Cerny wrote: > > No v urcitem pripade by jiste bylo vyhodnejsi postavit Twister, ale > > pripada mi jednodussi postavit AUI interface a sehnat AUI kartu do PC > > (treba nejakou starsi do ISA za cca 50 Kc). > > Somebody was writing here, that ISA can not give 10Mbit, so it will not > work full speed (6-7Mbit?). This is average rate, every packet transmitted have rate 10Mbit/s of course :-) Jakub > > > Navic si nejsem jisty, jestli muzu twister pripojit jen tak do > > unmanaged switche, protoze nepodporuje autonego. Pokud se pletu, tak > > me, prosim, opravte. > > If the switch is unmanagable, it will only work halfduplex. But you can > not connect AUI into a switch, neither. So if you are connecting Ronja > to PC, there is not a big difference between Twister or AUI interface > (Twister will be faster, AUI is cheaper). From jojo at matfyz.cz Sun Feb 13 14:21:36 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sun Feb 13 14:21:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB In-Reply-To: <200502131500.05325.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <002501c51129$fe984310$40ea6cc2@anmic> <20050212193654.GA639@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <200502131500.05325.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050213142136.GA23166@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > > > No v urcitem pripade by jiste bylo vyhodnejsi postavit Twister, ale > > > pripada mi jednodussi postavit AUI interface a sehnat AUI kartu do PC > > > (treba nejakou starsi do ISA za cca 50 Kc). > > > > Somebody was writing here, that ISA can not give 10Mbit, so it will not > > work full speed (6-7Mbit?). > > This is average rate, every packet transmitted have rate 10Mbit/s of > course :-) That might be true, I have not tested it. But here is the part from some older thread I was thinking of: From: Karel Kulhav? On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 10:10:32AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Sehnat AUI do PCI je problem a prenosova rychlost ISA > slotu je jen 4Mbit, takze se 6Mbit ztraci jen v karte [...] Me to delalo 7.5Mbps na ISA. Ale nevim uz jestli half nebo full duplex. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Feb 13 14:39:33 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Feb 13 14:39:37 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB In-Reply-To: <20050213142136.GA23166@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <002501c51129$fe984310$40ea6cc2@anmic> <200502131500.05325.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050213142136.GA23166@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <200502131539.33358.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Sunday 13 February 2005 15:21, Marian Cerny wrote: > > > > No v urcitem pripade by jiste bylo vyhodnejsi postavit Twister, ale > > > > pripada mi jednodussi postavit AUI interface a sehnat AUI kartu do PC > > > > (treba nejakou starsi do ISA za cca 50 Kc). > > > > > > Somebody was writing here, that ISA can not give 10Mbit, so it will not > > > work full speed (6-7Mbit?). > > > > This is average rate, every packet transmitted have rate 10Mbit/s of > > course :-) > > That might be true, I have not tested it. But here is the part from some > older thread I was thinking of: That is absolutely true, nic can't change transmit rate, it works at the rate corresponding to selected mode 10Mbit/s or 100Mbit/s or what. > > From: Karel Kulhav? > > On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 10:10:32AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > Sehnat AUI do PCI je problem a prenosova rychlost ISA > > slotu je jen 4Mbit, takze se 6Mbit ztraci jen v karte [...] > > Me to delalo 7.5Mbps na ISA. Ale nevim uz jestli half nebo full duplex. From mouse1 at volny.cz Sun Feb 13 19:57:34 2005 From: mouse1 at volny.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Luk=E1=B9_Burian?=) Date: Sun Feb 13 19:57:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta Message-ID: Tak jsem podle doporuceni zakoupil PCB na Twister od www.volny.cz/plspoj a byl jsem nemile prekvapen, ze nejsou prokovene. Mate n?kdo tip na to, jak si usetrit pajeni kousku dratu na propojeni opacnych stran plosnaku??? I bought PCB for Twister from www.volny.cz/plspoj and I have been unpleasantly surprised that PCBs are not through-plated. Do you have any idea how to connect oposite sides of PCB without soldering pieces of wire into holes where are no components??? Thanks Lukas Burian ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050213/271b39a7/attachment.htm From jojo at matfyz.cz Sun Feb 13 20:00:04 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sun Feb 13 20:00:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Stavba ronji na PCB In-Reply-To: <200502131539.33358.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <002501c51129$fe984310$40ea6cc2@anmic> <200502131500.05325.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050213142136.GA23166@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <200502131539.33358.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050213200004.GA17317@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > > > > > No v urcitem pripade by jiste bylo vyhodnejsi postavit Twister, ale > > > > > pripada mi jednodussi postavit AUI interface a sehnat AUI kartu do PC > > > > > (treba nejakou starsi do ISA za cca 50 Kc). > > > > > > > > Somebody was writing here, that ISA can not give 10Mbit, so it will not > > > > work full speed (6-7Mbit?). > > > > > > This is average rate, every packet transmitted have rate 10Mbit/s of > > > course :-) > > > > That might be true, I have not tested it. But here is the part from some > > older thread I was thinking of: > > That is absolutely true, nic can't change transmit rate, it works at the > rate corresponding to selected mode 10Mbit/s or 100Mbit/s or what. > > > > > From: Karel Kulhav? > > > > On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 10:10:32AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > > Sehnat AUI do PCI je problem a prenosova rychlost ISA > > > slotu je jen 4Mbit, takze se 6Mbit ztraci jen v karte [...] > > > > Me to delalo 7.5Mbps na ISA. Ale nevim uz jestli half nebo full duplex. I didn't mean NIC will transmit at lower speed, but the transfer of ISA bus might be slower than 10Mbps. I really have no clue, I have not tested it personaly. But I was googling a bit and found this: The ISA bus specifies a 16-bit connection driven by an 8MHz clock, which seems primitive compared with the speed of today's processors. It has a theoretical data transfer rate of up to 16 MBps. Functionally, this rate would reduce by a half to 8 MBps since one bus cycle is required for addressing and a further bus cycle for the 16-bits of data. In the real world it is capable of more like 5 MBps [...] According to this ISA bus should be capable at least of 5 MBps, what is 40 Mbit/s, so that should be enough for 10Mbit/s full duplex. AFAIK from 386-486 EISA bus is used instead of ISA bus. EISA is capable of theoretical data transfer rate of 20MBps. So there really should be no problem with the speed. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 13 20:13:22 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 13 20:12:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050213201322.GA26393@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 08:57:34PM +0100, Luk?? Burian wrote: > Tak jsem podle doporuceni zakoupil PCB na Twister od www.volny.cz/plspoj a > byl jsem nemile prekvapen, ze nejsou prokovene. Mate n?kdo tip na to, jak si > usetrit pajeni kousku dratu na propojeni opacnych stran plosnaku??? > > > > I bought PCB for Twister from www.volny.cz/plspoj and I have been > unpleasantly surprised that PCBs are not through-plated. Do you have any > idea how to connect oposite sides of PCB without soldering pieces of wire > into holes where are no components??? Check the PCB specification when paying. It is written here: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/README http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/README.CZ and is being sent as order to the manufacturer according to the guide. "Through-plating All holes are through-plated" You are going to miss the soldermask, silkscreen and HAL too. It is better to buy a real Twister PCB for 150,- CZK or so and stick this one into your personal museum. Did Mr. Kohout advertise this as a Twister PCB or how did you came to this conclusion? Cl< From mouse1 at volny.cz Sun Feb 13 20:33:06 2005 From: mouse1 at volny.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Luk=E1=B9_Burian?=) Date: Sun Feb 13 20:33:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta In-Reply-To: <20050213201322.GA26393@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: I don't remember exactly where on Ronja Wiki I read about, but mr.Kohout already did a lot of PCBs for Ronja and he convinced me that it is not necessary to send it again... Well I'm going to make new order somewhere else... Thanks a lot On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 08:57:34PM +0100, Luk?? Burian wrote: > Tak jsem podle doporuceni zakoupil PCB na Twister od www.volny.cz/plspoj a > byl jsem nemile prekvapen, ze nejsou prokovene. Mate n?kdo tip na to, jak si > usetrit pajeni kousku dratu na propojeni opacnych stran plosnaku??? > > > > I bought PCB for Twister from www.volny.cz/plspoj and I have been > unpleasantly surprised that PCBs are not through-plated. Do you have any > idea how to connect oposite sides of PCB without soldering pieces of wire > into holes where are no components??? Check the PCB specification when paying. It is written here: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/README http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/README.CZ and is being sent as order to the manufacturer according to the guide. "Through-plating All holes are through-plated" You are going to miss the soldermask, silkscreen and HAL too. It is better to buy a real Twister PCB for 150,- CZK or so and stick this one into your personal museum. Did Mr. Kohout advertise this as a Twister PCB or how did you came to this conclusion? Cl< _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Feb 14 07:54:37 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Mon Feb 14 07:54:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta Message-ID: DYT SEM TO PSAL!!!! asi 14dnu tomu co sem na czfree.net psal at tistaky od kohouta na twistra neberete!!! bylo mi receno ze je to pry vseobecne znamo ze kohout nedela prokovy. je fakt ze kdybych si to debil poradne precet tak bych si je taky nenechal delat. no smula.... ale kdyby te to pajeni dratku zaclo bavit, tak ti muzu dalsi 4 poskytnout za symbolickou cenu :) myslite ze kdyby se kohoutovi napsalo at pri jejich obednavkach uvadi ze sou bez prokovu ze by tovarovani napsal? asi ne co ? :/ .... jo, a mam takovou techniskou otazku, proc se na cesky psane prispevky odpovida anglicky??? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Luk?? Burian > Komu: "'Twibright Ronja'" > Datum: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:57:34 +0100 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > Tak jsem podle doporuceni zakoupil PCB na Twister od www.volny.cz/plspoj a > byl jsem nemile prekvapen, ze nejsou prokovene. Mate n?kdo tip na to, jak si > usetrit pajeni kousku dratu na propojeni opacnych stran plosnaku??? > > > > I bought PCB for Twister from www.volny.cz/plspoj and I have been > unpleasantly surprised that PCBs are not through-plated. Do you have any > idea how to connect oposite sides of PCB without soldering pieces of wire > into holes where are no components??? > > Thanks > > Lukas Burian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Feb 14 08:34:48 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Feb 14 08:36:02 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200502140934.48638.ladmanj@volny.cz> > jo, a mam takovou techniskou otazku, proc se na cesky psane prispevky > odpovida anglicky??? Protoze je cestina podradny jazyk, prece :-) > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: Luk?? Burian > > Komu: "'Twibright Ronja'" > > Datum: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:57:34 +0100 > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > > > Tak jsem podle doporuceni zakoupil PCB na Twister od www.volny.cz/plspoj > > a byl jsem nemile prekvapen, ze nejsou prokovene. Mate n?kdo tip na to, > > jak si usetrit pajeni kousku dratu na propojeni opacnych stran > > plosnaku??? > > > > > > > > I bought PCB for Twister from www.volny.cz/plspoj and I have been > > unpleasantly surprised that PCBs are not through-plated. Do you have any > > idea how to connect oposite sides of PCB without soldering pieces of wire > > into holes where are no components??? > > > > Thanks > > > > Lukas Burian > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Mon Feb 14 09:03:25 2005 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Mon Feb 14 09:03:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] request timed out Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61ADC2@VESTEX01.vest.corp> > On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:20:28AM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > > Hello, > > > > We have manage to build a complete Tetrapolis, but still > have problem when > > testing the system. > > > > We are currently testing at 50-metre distance (very short I > indeed). We > > have only managed to obtain sharp 1MHz signals on both > Rx's. This means > > that the 'optical' link can be established but we still > cannot manage to > > ping without "request timed out" error message. > > This is a problem of the software setup. The ping should not > refuse to ping > even if the optical link has loss of signal. > > > On one end we use desktop (Windows XP) while the other end > we use laptop > ^^^^^^^^^^ Try to disable firewall in winxp. It may be blocking ICMP packets. Or other installed firewall, antivirus software (panda is doing that) etc. -- Kosac From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Feb 14 10:40:01 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Mon Feb 14 10:40:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Jakub Ladman > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:34:48 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > > jo, a mam takovou techniskou otazku, proc se na cesky psane prispevky > > odpovida anglicky??? > Protoze je cestina podradny jazyk, prece :-) vis co by ti rekla nase cestinarka? ze cestina je krasny jazyk s velikou slovni zasobou, a bohudik ze prislo narodni obrozeni a .... :P ....... no jo, ale i kdyby, na co psat nadradnym jazykem kdyz mu hovno rozumis..... (rozumim). a nemecky.. nevim jestli by se se mnou nekdo bavil :) > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > Od: Luk?? Burian > > > Komu: "'Twibright Ronja'" > > > Datum: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:57:34 +0100 > > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > > > > > Tak jsem podle doporuceni zakoupil PCB na Twister od www.volny.cz/plspoj > > > a byl jsem nemile prekvapen, ze nejsou prokovene. Mate n?kdo tip na to, > > > jak si usetrit pajeni kousku dratu na propojeni opacnych stran > > > plosnaku??? > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought PCB for Twister from www.volny.cz/plspoj and I have been > > > unpleasantly surprised that PCBs are not through-plated. Do you have any > > > idea how to connect oposite sides of PCB without soldering pieces of wire > > > into holes where are no components??? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Lukas Burian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Feb 14 10:41:26 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Feb 14 10:42:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200502141141.27020.ladmanj@volny.cz> Ode mne to byla ironie, ja mam cestinu rad a vadi mi i ze musim psat bez hacku. Jakub Ladman Dne pond?l? 14 ?nora 2005 11:40 Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: Jakub Ladman > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:34:48 +0100 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > > > > jo, a mam takovou techniskou otazku, proc se na cesky psane prispevky > > > odpovida anglicky??? > > > > Protoze je cestina podradny jazyk, prece :-) > > vis co by ti rekla nase cestinarka? ze cestina je krasny jazyk s velikou > slovni zasobou, a bohudik ze prislo narodni obrozeni a .... :P ....... > > no jo, ale i kdyby, na co psat nadradnym jazykem kdyz mu hovno rozumis..... > (rozumim). a nemecky.. nevim jestli by se se mnou nekdo bavil :) > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Od: Luk?? Burian > > > > Komu: "'Twibright Ronja'" > > > > Datum: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:57:34 +0100 > > > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > > > > > > > Tak jsem podle doporuceni zakoupil PCB na Twister od > > > > www.volny.cz/plspoj a byl jsem nemile prekvapen, ze nejsou prokovene. > > > > Mate n?kdo tip na to, jak si usetrit pajeni kousku dratu na propojeni > > > > opacnych stran plosnaku??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought PCB for Twister from www.volny.cz/plspoj and I have been > > > > unpleasantly surprised that PCBs are not through-plated. Do you have > > > > any idea how to connect oposite sides of PCB without soldering pieces > > > > of wire into holes where are no components??? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Lukas Burian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Feb 14 10:45:03 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Mon Feb 14 10:45:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Jakub Ladman > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:41:26 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > Ode mne to byla ironie, ja mam cestinu rad a vadi mi i ze musim psat bez > hacku. a to me zas ne. ja bych vic jak tech 26 znaku nestihal.... :) ... > Jakub Ladman > > Dne pond?l? 14 ?nora 2005 11:40 Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > Od: Jakub Ladman > > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > > Datum: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:34:48 +0100 > > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > > > > > > jo, a mam takovou techniskou otazku, proc se na cesky psane prispevky > > > > odpovida anglicky??? > > > > > > Protoze je cestina podradny jazyk, prece :-) > > > > vis co by ti rekla nase cestinarka? ze cestina je krasny jazyk s velikou > > slovni zasobou, a bohudik ze prislo narodni obrozeni a .... :P ....... > > > > no jo, ale i kdyby, na co psat nadradnym jazykem kdyz mu hovno rozumis..... > > (rozumim). a nemecky.. nevim jestli by se se mnou nekdo bavil :) > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Od: Luk?? Burian > > > > > Komu: "'Twibright Ronja'" > > > > > Datum: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:57:34 +0100 > > > > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > > > > > > > > > Tak jsem podle doporuceni zakoupil PCB na Twister od > > > > > www.volny.cz/plspoj a byl jsem nemile prekvapen, ze nejsou prokovene. > > > > > Mate n?kdo tip na to, jak si usetrit pajeni kousku dratu na propojeni > > > > > opacnych stran plosnaku??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought PCB for Twister from www.volny.cz/plspoj and I have been > > > > > unpleasantly surprised that PCBs are not through-plated. Do you have > > > > > any idea how to connect oposite sides of PCB without soldering pieces > > > > > of wire into holes where are no components??? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Lukas Burian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From brenodee at hotmail.com Mon Feb 14 16:02:42 2005 From: brenodee at hotmail.com (Breno Pinheiro) Date: Mon Feb 14 16:03:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have just started the Ronja project. I studying the main the functionality of all parts in the project. I trying to understand how the Twister works, but unfortunately is a little bit hard. I wanna get some informations,tips to make easier to me. What is the better way to get start? It's trully importantt understand the how everything works? Please, I'd love receive help from you!!! Thank you, Breno C. Pinheiro _________________________________________________________________ Chegou o que faltava: MSN Acesso Gr?tis. Instale J?! http://www.msn.com.br/discador From brenodee at hotmail.com Mon Feb 14 16:03:31 2005 From: brenodee at hotmail.com (Breno Pinheiro) Date: Mon Feb 14 16:05:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Getting start Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have just started the Ronja project. I studying the main the functionality of all parts in the project. I trying to understand how the Twister works, but unfortunately is a little bit hard. I wanna get some informations,tips to make easier to me. What is the better way to get start? It's trully importantt understand the how everything works? Please, I'd love receive help from you!!! Thank you, Breno C. Pinheiro _________________________________________________________________ Chegou o que faltava: MSN Acesso Gr?tis. Instale J?! http://www.msn.com.br/discador From clock at twibright.com Mon Feb 14 16:22:19 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Feb 14 16:21:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050214162219.GA25166@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 01:02:42PM -0300, Breno Pinheiro wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have just started the Ronja project. I studying the main the > functionality of all parts in the project. > I trying to understand how the Twister works, but unfortunately is a > little bit hard. > I wanna get some informations,tips to make easier to me. What is the > better way to get start? It's trully importantt understand the how > everything works? > Please, I'd love receive help from you!!! Twister makes link integrity pulses (those two huge counters and NAND gates) which is a 125ns pulse every don't-remember-how-many-milliseconds. Then it also discriminates silence in outgoing packets and replaces with 1MHz and 1MHz in incoming packets and replaces with silence (line driver off). The U58 line driver works in tandem, but when one is low and the other high, it makes an "off" state with still defined impedance (turning the driver to high Z would violate the impedance). The shift register cascades like U64, U63, U65 etc. work as timers. One shift register is a pulse extender (like monostable multivibrator). It't reset is held by one level and un-reset state arrives after reset stops being active at preprogrammed number of taps. The rest is just some shaping, mixing and shaking. Cl< > Thank you, > > Breno C. Pinheiro > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chegou o que faltava: MSN Acesso Gr?tis. Instale J?! > http://www.msn.com.br/discador > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Feb 14 16:26:58 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Feb 14 16:25:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Info ohladom LAN kariet In-Reply-To: <20050214155336.5B5D113D75@server8.alinet.sk> References: <20050214155336.5B5D113D75@server8.alinet.sk> Message-ID: <20050214162658.GA25224@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 04:53:36PM +0100, made by antrakz wrote: > > Dobry den, > > > > chcel by som Vas poprosit o pomoc. Potreboval by som zistit ake su > charakteristiky na Lan karte pri 100Mb. Kedze to nemozem nikde najst a > osciloskop nevlastnim tak som sa rozhodol obratit na Vas. Vopred pekne > dakujem. S pozdravom Andrej. Viz standard IEEE802.3 Cl< > > > ------- reklama --------------------------------------- > http://webhosting.szm.com - AKCIA, domeny a webhosting za najnizsie ceny > Ziskaj vlastnu domenu, webstranku www.mojadomena.sk a vlastne maily > cokolvek@mojadomena.sk v cenach uz od 50Sk/mesiac. > > From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Mon Feb 14 16:30:56 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Mon Feb 14 16:30:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <20050212203629.GC30380@beton.cybernet.src> References: <42063104.1010507@tiscali.cz> <20050206184341.GC3641@beton.cybernet.src> <42066E45.8090001@tiscali.cz> <20050212203629.GC30380@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4210D240.4080005@tiscali.cz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 08:21:41PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > > >>Karel Kulhavy wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 04:00:20PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Zdravim, tak jsem prave dostavel jednu ronju a mam problem s jejim >>>>rozchozenim :(. Twister funguje OK(i 2 mezi sebou), ale rx a tx(je to >>>>nebulus a inferno receiver, oba ve vrabcaku) nejedou. Pri pripojeni >>>>nebuluse do twisteru infraledka normalne sviti.. Hodnoty namerene na >>>>testpointech take nevypadaji prilis ruzove. >>>> >>>>Nebulus: >>>>P1 - 0V (0V) >>>>P2 - 5,66 (4,9V) >>>>P3 - 5,11V (4,2V) >>>>P4 - 5,69V (4,9V) >>>>P5 - 9,7V (9,9V) >>>>P6 - 2,2V (2,5V) >>>>P7 - 64mA (65mA) >>>> >>>>Rx: >>>>P101 - 11,35V (11,5-12) >>>>P102 - 8,08V (3,5V-4V) >>>> >>>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Here is a problem. The voltage divider is probably wrong or the Q101 is >dead. > > > >>>>P103 - 0mV (0mV-0,1mV) >>>>P104 - 6,6V (5V-6V) >>>>P105 - 1,88V (5,5V-6,5V) >>>> >>>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >This is wrong too. The resistors around are probably wrong values. > >The "should be" milliamperes in Nebulus are completely wrong (my fault) >because I copied the table from Metropolis TX and forgot to update it. >I have put this into the TODO list. > >Cl< > > >>>>P106 - 5,53V (5,5V-6,5V) >>>>P107(RSSI) - 0V, a to i kdyz byly moduly uplne u sebe (0V-4V} >>>>P108 - 10,98V (10,7V-11,1V) >>>>P109 - 4,8V (4,73V-4,93V) >>>>P110 - 12,00V (11.5V-12,5V) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Please write also the should-be values, I'll look at it then. >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Tak se me povedlo opravit 2 chyby, ktere jsem nasel v rx a spravily se tim vsechny testpointy do normy, az na P102, ktery je ted 3,4V(ma byt 3,5-4V - vadi to?) a P104, ktery je 7V(ma byt 5-6V). V Nebulusovi jsem chybu nenasel a situace se nezmenila. Jinak kdyz to ted pripojim k twisterovi a posilam pingy, tak blika do rytmu jak cervena tak i zelena LEDka, ale v tcpdump vidim jen paket odchozi(ze by se ten signal nejak mrsil?). RSSI z jednoho metru je 3,8V. Kdyz rxku zakryju fotodiodu, tak zelena ledka sviti. From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Feb 14 16:33:35 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Feb 14 16:33:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050214162219.GA25166@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050214162219.GA25166@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200502141733.35964.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Twister makes link integrity pulses (those two huge counters and > NAND gates) which is a 125ns pulse every > don't-remember-how-many-milliseconds. = 16.384ms :-) > Then it also discriminates silence in outgoing packets and replaces with > 1MHz and 1MHz in incoming packets and replaces with silence (line driver > off). > > The U58 line driver works in tandem, but when one is low and the other > high, it makes an "off" state with still defined impedance (turning the > driver to high Z would violate the impedance). > > The shift register cascades like U64, U63, U65 etc. work as timers. > One shift register is a pulse extender (like monostable multivibrator). > It't reset is held by one level and un-reset state arrives after > reset stops being active at preprogrammed number of taps. > > The rest is just some shaping, mixing and shaking. > > Cl< > > > Thank you, > > > > Breno C. Pinheiro > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chegou o que faltava: MSN Acesso Gr?tis. Instale J?! > > http://www.msn.com.br/discador > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mouse1 at volny.cz Mon Feb 14 20:49:40 2005 From: mouse1 at volny.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Luk=E1=B9_Burian?=) Date: Mon Feb 14 20:49:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A myslite, ze by to nekdo mohl zeditovat na http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPCB ??? pro budouci generace... Mimochodem da se verit nabidce na strankach www.ronjashop.cz ?? abych mu neposlal pen?ze a on mi jen nepodekoval ;) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Jakub Ladman > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:41:26 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > Ode mne to byla ironie, ja mam cestinu rad a vadi mi i ze musim psat bez > hacku. a to me zas ne. ja bych vic jak tech 26 znaku nestihal.... :) ... > Jakub Ladman > > Dne pond?l? 14 ?nora 2005 11:40 Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > Od: Jakub Ladman > > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > > Datum: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:34:48 +0100 > > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > > > > > > jo, a mam takovou techniskou otazku, proc se na cesky psane prispevky > > > > odpovida anglicky??? > > > > > > Protoze je cestina podradny jazyk, prece :-) > > > > vis co by ti rekla nase cestinarka? ze cestina je krasny jazyk s velikou > > slovni zasobou, a bohudik ze prislo narodni obrozeni a .... :P ....... > > > > no jo, ale i kdyby, na co psat nadradnym jazykem kdyz mu hovno rozumis..... > > (rozumim). a nemecky.. nevim jestli by se se mnou nekdo bavil :) > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Od: Luk?? Burian > > > > > Komu: "'Twibright Ronja'" > > > > > Datum: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:57:34 +0100 > > > > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > > > > > > > > > Tak jsem podle doporuceni zakoupil PCB na Twister od > > > > > www.volny.cz/plspoj a byl jsem nemile prekvapen, ze nejsou prokovene. > > > > > Mate n?kdo tip na to, jak si usetrit pajeni kousku dratu na propojeni > > > > > opacnych stran plosnaku??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought PCB for Twister from www.volny.cz/plspoj and I have been > > > > > unpleasantly surprised that PCBs are not through-plated. Do you have > > > > > any idea how to connect oposite sides of PCB without soldering pieces > > > > > of wire into holes where are no components??? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Lukas Burian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Mon Feb 14 22:13:29 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Mon Feb 14 22:13:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta In-Reply-To: <20050214204945.5EE108940A6@avas2.tiscali.cz> References: <20050214204945.5EE108940A6@avas2.tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <42112289.1070607@tiscali.cz> Luk?? Burian wrote: > Mimochodem da se verit nabidce na strankach www.ronjashop.cz ?? >abych mu neposlal pen?ze a on mi jen nepodekoval ;) > > > Jo da, na ty plosnaky je radost pajet... From phillskonf at atlas.cz Tue Feb 15 15:33:57 2005 From: phillskonf at atlas.cz (Phill) Date: Tue Feb 15 15:34:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <4210D240.4080005@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> Ahoj, naprosto ten samy problem pozoruji i ja. Vsechny testpointy mi sedeli, az na ten P104, ktery jsem vykompenzoval odporem R106(cca 1k). Ted mam teda postaveny RX s SFH2030FA a vse vypada krasne. Kdyz posilam pakety, tak mi na twisteru taky poblikavaji obe LED, ale pakety proste nechodi. TX a twister jsem zkousel na jine funkcni ronje, takze tam problem patrne nebude. Zajimave je ze mi to delaji obe dve RX-a. Pokusil jsem se tedy vymenit vsechny aktivni prvky, pouzil jsem i jiny typ FET-u (BF988), zkusil infra SFH2030, ale na zadny rozdil jsem nenarazil. RSSI mam maximum kolem 3.85V a pri zatmeni je tam cca 10mV. Pokud zacnu zatmivat RX a TX tak se dostanu na uroven kolem 25mV, kdy se mi zacne pomalu rozsvecet zelena LED a nelze jiz pozorovat ono blikani. Pochopitelne twister po vyzkratovani vystupu dvojite pakety posila. Pro vedeni signalu pouzivam RG59 v delce cca 1m s cokoladou na strane RX a TX a s F-konektorem na strane Twisteru. Z twisteru vede cca 5cm krouceneho paru do Fkonektoru na panelu. RX a TX mam propojene beznou dvojlinkou. INFRA TX jsem snad udelal spravne.. vymenil odpor u LED za polovicni a pridal jeden IO na buzeni. Jako infra LED pouzivam HSDL4230. Jsem rad, ze se nasel nekdo se stejnym problemem, a doufam, ze nakonec objevime, kde je problem! -Phill > Tak se me povedlo opravit 2 chyby, ktere jsem nasel v rx a > spravily se tim vsechny testpointy do normy, az na P102, > ktery je ted 3,4V(ma byt 3,5-4V - vadi to?) a P104, ktery je > 7V(ma byt 5-6V). > > V Nebulusovi jsem chybu nenasel a situace se nezmenila. Jinak > kdyz to ted pripojim k twisterovi a posilam pingy, tak blika > do rytmu jak cervena tak i zelena LEDka, ale v tcpdump vidim > jen paket odchozi(ze by se ten signal nejak mrsil?). RSSI z > jednoho metru je 3,8V. Kdyz rxku zakryju fotodiodu, tak > zelena ledka sviti. From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 15 15:58:27 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 15 15:57:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> References: <4210D240.4080005@tiscali.cz> <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> Message-ID: <20050215155827.GB2860@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:33:57PM +0100, Phill wrote: > Ahoj, naprosto ten samy problem pozoruji i ja. > > Vsechny testpointy mi sedeli, az na ten P104, ktery jsem > vykompenzoval odporem R106(cca 1k). Ted mam teda postaveny > RX s SFH2030FA a vse vypada krasne. Kdyz posilam pakety, tak > mi na twisteru taky poblikavaji obe LED, ale pakety proste > nechodi. TX a twister jsem zkousel na jine funkcni ronje, takze > tam problem patrne nebude. Zajimave je ze mi to delaji obe dve > RX-a. > > Pokusil jsem se tedy vymenit vsechny aktivni prvky, pouzil jsem > i jiny typ FET-u (BF988), zkusil infra SFH2030, ale na zadny rozdil > jsem nenarazil. RSSI mam maximum kolem 3.85V a pri zatmeni je > tam cca 10mV. Pokud zacnu zatmivat RX a TX tak se dostanu na uroven > kolem 25mV, kdy se mi zacne pomalu rozsvecet zelena LED a nelze jiz > pozorovat ono blikani. > > Pochopitelne twister po vyzkratovani vystupu dvojite pakety posila. > > Pro vedeni signalu pouzivam RG59 v delce cca 1m s cokoladou na > strane RX a TX a s F-konektorem na strane Twisteru. Z twisteru vede cca > 5cm krouceneho paru do Fkonektoru na panelu. > RX a TX mam propojene beznou dvojlinkou. > > INFRA TX jsem snad udelal spravne.. vymenil odpor u LED za polovicni > a pridal jeden IO na buzeni. Jako infra LED pouzivam HSDL4230. > > > Jsem rad, ze se nasel nekdo se stejnym problemem, a doufam, > ze nakonec objevime, kde je problem! Does the infra LED shine when there are no data transmitted (no red LED shining)? Does the infra LED shine when the signal wire from Twister to Nebulus is disconnected and all remaining wires left connected? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 15 16:00:34 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 15 15:59:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> References: <4210D240.4080005@tiscali.cz> <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> Message-ID: <20050215160034.GC2860@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:33:57PM +0100, Phill wrote: > Ahoj, naprosto ten samy problem pozoruji i ja. > > Vsechny testpointy mi sedeli, az na ten P104, ktery jsem > vykompenzoval odporem R106(cca 1k). Ted mam teda postaveny > RX s SFH2030FA a vse vypada krasne. Kdyz posilam pakety, tak > mi na twisteru taky poblikavaji obe LED, ale pakety proste > nechodi. TX a twister jsem zkousel na jine funkcni ronje, takze > tam problem patrne nebude. Zajimave je ze mi to delaji obe dve > RX-a. > > Pokusil jsem se tedy vymenit vsechny aktivni prvky, pouzil jsem > i jiny typ FET-u (BF988), zkusil infra SFH2030, ale na zadny rozdil > jsem nenarazil. RSSI mam maximum kolem 3.85V a pri zatmeni je > tam cca 10mV. Pokud zacnu zatmivat RX a TX tak se dostanu na uroven > kolem 25mV, kdy se mi zacne pomalu rozsvecet zelena LED a nelze jiz > pozorovat ono blikani. > > Pochopitelne twister po vyzkratovani vystupu dvojite pakety posila. > > Pro vedeni signalu pouzivam RG59 v delce cca 1m s cokoladou na > strane RX a TX a s F-konektorem na strane Twisteru. Z twisteru vede cca > 5cm krouceneho paru do Fkonektoru na panelu. > RX a TX mam propojene beznou dvojlinkou. > > INFRA TX jsem snad udelal spravne.. vymenil odpor u LED za polovicni > a pridal jeden IO na buzeni. Jako infra LED pouzivam HSDL4230. Is your infra TX (Nebulus) built according to this schematic?: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/nebulus.png Can you send a photo of your Nebulus (with open lid)? Cl< From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Tue Feb 15 16:00:29 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Tue Feb 15 15:59:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> References: <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> Message-ID: <42121C9D.2040507@tiscali.cz> Phill wrote: >Ahoj, naprosto ten samy problem pozoruji i ja. > >Vsechny testpointy mi sedeli, az na ten P104, ktery jsem >vykompenzoval odporem R106(cca 1k). Ted mam teda postaveny >RX s SFH2030FA a vse vypada krasne. Kdyz posilam pakety, tak >mi na twisteru taky poblikavaji obe LED, ale pakety proste >nechodi. TX a twister jsem zkousel na jine funkcni ronje, takze >tam problem patrne nebude. Zajimave je ze mi to delaji obe dve >RX-a. > >Pokusil jsem se tedy vymenit vsechny aktivni prvky, pouzil jsem >i jiny typ FET-u (BF988), zkusil infra SFH2030, ale na zadny rozdil >jsem nenarazil. RSSI mam maximum kolem 3.85V a pri zatmeni je >tam cca 10mV. Pokud zacnu zatmivat RX a TX tak se dostanu na uroven >kolem 25mV, kdy se mi zacne pomalu rozsvecet zelena LED a nelze jiz >pozorovat ono blikani. > >Pochopitelne twister po vyzkratovani vystupu dvojite pakety posila. > >Pro vedeni signalu pouzivam RG59 v delce cca 1m s cokoladou na >strane RX a TX a s F-konektorem na strane Twisteru. Z twisteru vede cca >5cm krouceneho paru do Fkonektoru na panelu. >RX a TX mam propojene beznou dvojlinkou. > >INFRA TX jsem snad udelal spravne.. vymenil odpor u LED za polovicni >a pridal jeden IO na buzeni. Jako infra LED pouzivam HSDL4230. > > >Jsem rad, ze se nasel nekdo se stejnym problemem, a doufam, >ze nakonec objevime, kde je problem! > >-Phill > > > > >>Tak se me povedlo opravit 2 chyby, ktere jsem nasel v rx a >>spravily se tim vsechny testpointy do normy, az na P102, >>ktery je ted 3,4V(ma byt 3,5-4V - vadi to?) a P104, ktery je >>7V(ma byt 5-6V). >> >>V Nebulusovi jsem chybu nenasel a situace se nezmenila. Jinak >>kdyz to ted pripojim k twisterovi a posilam pingy, tak blika >>do rytmu jak cervena tak i zelena LEDka, ale v tcpdump vidim >>jen paket odchozi(ze by se ten signal nejak mrsil?). RSSI z >>jednoho metru je 3,8V. Kdyz rxku zakryju fotodiodu, tak >>zelena ledka sviti. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > No me uz to jede!!! Asi pred peti minutama zacalo. Poladil jsem odpory, abych mel dobre ten testpoint jako ty a stejne to nejelo. Pak jsem to dal ze zidle na podlahu a k me velke radosti zacali chodit pakety 2x. Asi pul hodiny jsem to nechal bezet a nevypadnul jediny. Nevim teda jak je to mozny( kdyz jsem je daval k sobe rucne, tak to taky nejelo. A to bylo RSSI 3,8V. Na podlaze mam z metru taky 3,8V, ale funguje to). Fakt nevim proc, to tak je, ale hlavni je, ze to jede :). Zkus si taky nejako vyhrat s polohou... From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 15 16:19:31 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 15 16:18:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <42121C9D.2040507@tiscali.cz> References: <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> <42121C9D.2040507@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <20050215161931.GA2970@beton.cybernet.src> > No me uz to jede!!! Asi pred peti minutama zacalo. Poladil jsem odpory, > abych mel dobre ten testpoint jako ty a stejne to nejelo. Pak jsem to > dal ze zidle na podlahu a k me velke radosti zacali chodit pakety 2x. > Asi pul hodiny jsem to nechal bezet a nevypadnul jediny. Nevim teda jak > je to mozny( kdyz jsem je daval k sobe rucne, tak to taky nejelo. A to > bylo RSSI 3,8V. Na podlaze mam z metru taky 3,8V, ale funguje to). Fakt > nevim proc, to tak je, ale hlavni je, ze to jede :). Zkus si taky nejako > vyhrat s polohou... Ronja should not sometimes work and sometimes not. Is your construction according to the building guide? Cl< From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Tue Feb 15 16:34:32 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Tue Feb 15 16:33:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <20050215161931.GA2970@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> <42121C9D.2040507@tiscali.cz> <20050215161931.GA2970@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <42122498.8060601@tiscali.cz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >>No me uz to jede!!! Asi pred peti minutama zacalo. Poladil jsem odpory, >>abych mel dobre ten testpoint jako ty a stejne to nejelo. Pak jsem to >>dal ze zidle na podlahu a k me velke radosti zacali chodit pakety 2x. >>Asi pul hodiny jsem to nechal bezet a nevypadnul jediny. Nevim teda jak >>je to mozny( kdyz jsem je daval k sobe rucne, tak to taky nejelo. A to >>bylo RSSI 3,8V. Na podlaze mam z metru taky 3,8V, ale funguje to). Fakt >>nevim proc, to tak je, ale hlavni je, ze to jede :). Zkus si taky nejako >>vyhrat s polohou... >> >> > >Ronja should not sometimes work and sometimes not. Is your construction >according to the building guide? > > Jo, je to presne podle navodu. Ale ted to jede stabilne... From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 15 17:10:16 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 15 17:09:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <42122498.8060601@tiscali.cz> References: <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> <42121C9D.2040507@tiscali.cz> <20050215161931.GA2970@beton.cybernet.src> <42122498.8060601@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <20050215171016.GA3173@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 05:34:32PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >>No me uz to jede!!! Asi pred peti minutama zacalo. Poladil jsem odpory, > >>abych mel dobre ten testpoint jako ty a stejne to nejelo. Pak jsem to > >>dal ze zidle na podlahu a k me velke radosti zacali chodit pakety 2x. > >>Asi pul hodiny jsem to nechal bezet a nevypadnul jediny. Nevim teda jak > >>je to mozny( kdyz jsem je daval k sobe rucne, tak to taky nejelo. A to > >>bylo RSSI 3,8V. Na podlaze mam z metru taky 3,8V, ale funguje to). Fakt > >>nevim proc, to tak je, ale hlavni je, ze to jede :). Zkus si taky nejako > >>vyhrat s polohou... > >> > >> > > > >Ronja should not sometimes work and sometimes not. Is your construction > >according to the building guide? > > > > > Jo, je to presne podle navodu. Ale ted to jede stabilne... Can you send a photo of the construction? And also a photo of the test setup? Cl< From phillskonf at atlas.cz Tue Feb 15 17:30:23 2005 From: phillskonf at atlas.cz (Phill) Date: Tue Feb 15 17:30:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <20050215155827.GB2860@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050215173023.A7B0E1B12AB@mail.karneval.cz> > Does the infra LED shine when there are no data transmitted > (no red LED shining)? YES, the infra LED shines all the time. The red LED flashes just when there is some data comming out from the computer (and so does the green one:) > Does the infra LED shine when the signal wire from Twister to > Nebulus is disconnected and all remaining wires left connected? When I disconnect the signal wire going to TX, the infra led keeps shining! I hope, this is all correct. In reply to your other mail: > Is your infra TX (Nebulus) built according to this schematic?: > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/nebulus.png > > Can you send a photo of your Nebulus (with open lid)? Oh, I see, I forgot to write there, that I'm using the smd version from www.ronjashop.com, which seems to me to be better than the air-wired one. The schematics are quite the same. And the last thing that came on my mind - I am using the cheep 8139too card. Could there be a problem? I'm not sure if the problems are caused by the TX & RX or if both of my twisters might have worse sensitivity. Either way it seems I got bad luck this time and I will probably have to buy new PCBs and try it once more :( Did anyone had similiar problems and found a way to make it work? -Phill > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 15 17:41:23 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 15 17:40:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <20050215173023.A7B0E1B12AB@mail.karneval.cz> References: <20050215155827.GB2860@beton.cybernet.src> <20050215173023.A7B0E1B12AB@mail.karneval.cz> Message-ID: <20050215174123.GA3377@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 06:30:23PM +0100, Phill wrote: > > Does the infra LED shine when there are no data transmitted > > (no red LED shining)? > > YES, the infra LED shines all the time. The red LED flashes just when > there is some data comming out from the computer (and so does > the green one:) > > > Does the infra LED shine when the signal wire from Twister to > > Nebulus is disconnected and all remaining wires left connected? > > When I disconnect the signal wire going to TX, the infra led keeps > shining! I hope, this is all correct. > > In reply to your other mail: > > > Is your infra TX (Nebulus) built according to this schematic?: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/nebulus.png > > > > Can you send a photo of your Nebulus (with open lid)? > > Oh, I see, I forgot to write there, that I'm using the smd > version from www.ronjashop.com, which seems to me > to be better than the air-wired one. > The schematics are quite the same. The problem is in the decline from the guide. Try it according to the guide and if it won't work, ask again. Cl< From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Tue Feb 15 17:43:32 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Tue Feb 15 17:42:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx In-Reply-To: <20050215171016.GA3173@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> <42121C9D.2040507@tiscali.cz> <20050215161931.GA2970@beton.cybernet.src> <42122498.8060601@tiscali.cz> <20050215171016.GA3173@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <421234C4.5000602@tiscali.cz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 05:34:32PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > > >>Karel Kulhavy wrote: >> >> >> >>>>No me uz to jede!!! Asi pred peti minutama zacalo. Poladil jsem odpory, >>>>abych mel dobre ten testpoint jako ty a stejne to nejelo. Pak jsem to >>>>dal ze zidle na podlahu a k me velke radosti zacali chodit pakety 2x. >>>>Asi pul hodiny jsem to nechal bezet a nevypadnul jediny. Nevim teda jak >>>>je to mozny( kdyz jsem je daval k sobe rucne, tak to taky nejelo. A to >>>>bylo RSSI 3,8V. Na podlaze mam z metru taky 3,8V, ale funguje to). Fakt >>>>nevim proc, to tak je, ale hlavni je, ze to jede :). Zkus si taky nejako >>>>vyhrat s polohou... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Ronja should not sometimes work and sometimes not. Is your construction >>>according to the building guide? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Jo, je to presne podle navodu. Ale ted to jede stabilne... >> >> > >Can you send a photo of the construction? And also a photo of the test >setup? > > Yes, I can, but earliest tomorrow. To Phill: Tak mas asi v txku chybu, pri odpojeni od twisteru by to svitit nemelo. From anmic at fmg.sk Tue Feb 15 20:50:35 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Tue Feb 15 20:51:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Prumer svetelneho kuzele Ronji Metropolis Message-ID: <000501c513a0$2e791730$46eb6cc2@anmic> Chtel bych se zeptat, jaky by byl prumer svetelneho kuzele u Ronji Metropolis pri pouziti vysilace s cervenou LED a 90mm cocky ve vzdalenosti 100 m, prip. 200 m od vysilace. Jake jsou vase zkusenosti? Pokud nekdo mate i obecny vzorec pro vypocet, dejte prosim vedet. Diky za odpovedi anMic From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 15 21:15:47 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 15 21:14:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Prumer svetelneho kuzele Ronji Metropolis In-Reply-To: <000501c513a0$2e791730$46eb6cc2@anmic> References: <000501c513a0$2e791730$46eb6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050215211547.GA4629@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 09:50:35PM +0100, anMic wrote: > Chtel bych se zeptat, jaky by byl prumer svetelneho kuzele u Ronji > Metropolis pri pouziti vysilace s cervenou LED a 90mm cocky ve vzdalenosti > 100 m, prip. 200 m od vysilace. Jake jsou vase zkusenosti? Pokud nekdo mate > i obecny vzorec pro vypocet, dejte prosim vedet. The divergence should be about 4mrad, i. e. 0.4m at 100m and 0.8m at 200m. I got 1m on 250m on my balcony. You can calculate the LED image size from focal length and distance and actual LED size. It just increases linearly, as if there were a pinhole instead of the lens. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Feb 15 23:19:03 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Feb 15 23:21:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx References: <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz> <42121C9D.2040507@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <004301c513b4$bcf8f340$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Strnad" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx > No me uz to jede!!! Asi pred peti minutama zacalo. Poladil jsem odpory, > abych mel dobre ten testpoint jako ty a stejne to nejelo. Pak jsem to > dal ze zidle na podlahu a k me velke radosti zacali chodit pakety 2x. > Asi pul hodiny jsem to nechal bezet a nevypadnul jediny. Nevim teda jak > je to mozny( kdyz jsem je daval k sobe rucne, tak to taky nejelo. A to > bylo RSSI 3,8V. Na podlaze mam z metru taky 3,8V, ale funguje to). Fakt > nevim proc, to tak je, ale hlavni je, ze to jede :). Zkus si taky nejako > vyhrat s polohou... > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > Hmm alchymie :) -=RYS=- From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Wed Feb 16 08:04:16 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Wed Feb 16 08:04:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx References: <20050215153351.E9DDB4FAED6@mail.karneval.cz><42121C9D.2040507@tiscali.cz> <004301c513b4$bcf8f340$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <003301c513fe$1c233ee0$3701a8c0@pwech01> kdo v? co mel okolo, treba to na zem uz nedos?hlo a jestli nemel zadeklovan? skatulky, t?m sp?s P.S. Kter? elektronick? zar?zen? nen? alchymie? Hromada vec? funguje, aniz by vedela, ze fungovat nemaj? a opacne :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Strnad" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nefunkcni rx/tx > > > > > No me uz to jede!!! Asi pred peti minutama zacalo. Poladil jsem odpory, > > abych mel dobre ten testpoint jako ty a stejne to nejelo. Pak jsem to > > dal ze zidle na podlahu a k me velke radosti zacali chodit pakety 2x. > > Asi pul hodiny jsem to nechal bezet a nevypadnul jediny. Nevim teda jak > > je to mozny( kdyz jsem je daval k sobe rucne, tak to taky nejelo. A to > > bylo RSSI 3,8V. Na podlaze mam z metru taky 3,8V, ale funguje to). Fakt > > nevim proc, to tak je, ale hlavni je, ze to jede :). Zkus si taky nejako > > vyhrat s polohou... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > Hmm alchymie :) > > -=RYS=- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From anmic at fmg.sk Wed Feb 16 08:13:36 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anmic@fmg.sk) Date: Wed Feb 16 08:13:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Light cone diameter difference between 90mm / 130mm lens Message-ID: <50834.80.188.116.117.1108541616.squirrel@mail.webglobe.sk> Thank you for your answer. Is here any difference between using 90mm and 130mm lens? Thanks anMic< From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 16 10:18:16 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Feb 16 10:17:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Light cone diameter difference between 90mm / 130mm lens In-Reply-To: <50834.80.188.116.117.1108541616.squirrel@mail.webglobe.sk> References: <50834.80.188.116.117.1108541616.squirrel@mail.webglobe.sk> Message-ID: <20050216101816.GA6295@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 09:13:36AM +0100, anmic@fmg.sk wrote: > Thank you for your answer. Is here any difference between using 90mm and > 130mm lens? Yes in distance. See http://ronja.twibright.com:8080/metropolis/dist.php Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Feb 16 14:07:38 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Feb 16 14:07:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze Message-ID: chchi se zeptat jestli uz nekdo udelal tistak na Herze. ?? ..... nebo jestli je naky duvod proc se do neho nemam poustet..... From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 16 14:26:45 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Feb 16 14:25:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050216142645.GA16341@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 03:07:38PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > chchi se zeptat jestli uz nekdo udelal tistak na Herze. ?? ..... nebo jestli > je naky duvod proc se do neho nemam poustet..... There isn't a Hertz PCB yet. I do not expect there will be any problems if it should be designed. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 16 14:27:26 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Feb 16 14:26:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050216142726.GA16366@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 03:07:38PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > chchi se zeptat jestli uz nekdo udelal tistak na Herze. ?? ..... nebo jestli > je naky duvod proc se do neho nemam poustet..... And if you are willing to make one, do it please in gschem and PCB, because it's unfortunately not technically possible to merge it into Ronja otherwise. Cl< From polous at katka.biz Wed Feb 16 15:21:43 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:21:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta Message-ID: <42136507.7030301@katka.biz> Luk?? Burian wrote: >A myslite, ze by to nekdo mohl zeditovat na >http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPCB ??? pro budouci >generace... Mimochodem da se verit nabidce na strankach www.ronjashop.cz ?? >abych mu neposlal pen?ze a on mi jen nepodekoval ;) > > Cetl jsi vubec nadpis te stranky ?? "PCB pro TX a RX - design OndrejT a K.J.S. (not a part of Ronja project)" podle me neni co opravovat, ale jestli mas jiny nazor, tak to muzes opravit sam. O nabydce na www.ronjashop.cz zatim neznam nikoho, kdo by primo od nich konkretne dostal PCB. Mimo to se na tu stranku prave tedka nemuzu dostat. Ale to muze byt nesmerodatne a jen docasne. Co si vzpominam, tak tam funguje cekani na urcity pocet objednavek aby se mohla nechat vyrobit cela serie. Par lidi znam co maji plosnaky jiz objednane. p0l0us From kendy at hkfree.org Wed Feb 16 15:29:15 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:27:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta References: <42136507.7030301@katka.biz> Message-ID: <01ac01c5143c$464d6e00$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Myslim ze je to www.ronjashop.com Pokud spravne koukam tak je to byvala sajta http://twister.horky.net a od nich tistaky mam asi uz treti sadu a jsou dobry ty tistaky. Ja je tedy neobjednaval, ale ten co je objednaval, tak nehlasil zadnej problem. Kendy HKFree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta Luk?? Burian wrote: >A myslite, ze by to nekdo mohl zeditovat na >http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPCB ??? pro budouci >generace... Mimochodem da se verit nabidce na strankach www.ronjashop.cz ?? >abych mu neposlal pen?ze a on mi jen nepodekoval ;) > > Cetl jsi vubec nadpis te stranky ?? "PCB pro TX a RX - design OndrejT a K.J.S. (not a part of Ronja project)" podle me neni co opravovat, ale jestli mas jiny nazor, tak to muzes opravit sam. O nabydce na www.ronjashop.cz zatim neznam nikoho, kdo by primo od nich konkretne dostal PCB. Mimo to se na tu stranku prave tedka nemuzu dostat. Ale to muze byt nesmerodatne a jen docasne. Co si vzpominam, tak tam funguje cekani na urcity pocet objednavek aby se mohla nechat vyrobit cela serie. Par lidi znam co maji plosnaky jiz objednane. p0l0us _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jbohac at jikos.cz Wed Feb 16 15:30:19 2005 From: jbohac at jikos.cz (Jirka Bohac) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:30:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta In-Reply-To: <42136507.7030301@katka.biz>; from polous@katka.biz on Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 04:21:43PM +0100 References: <42136507.7030301@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050216163019.B21409@twin.jikos.cz> > Luk?? Burian wrote: > > >A myslite, ze by to nekdo mohl zeditovat na > >http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPCB ??? pro budouci > >generace... Mimochodem da se verit nabidce na strankach www.ronjashop.cz ?? > >abych mu neposlal pen?ze a on mi jen nepodekoval ;) > > O nabydce na www.ronjashop.cz zatim neznam nikoho, kdo by primo od nich > konkretne dostal PCB. Mimo to se na tu stranku prave tedka nemuzu > dostat. Muzu doporucit. Mam odtamtud 8 plosnaku na twistera, krasne prokovene a pocinovane. jb. From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Feb 16 15:56:06 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:56:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Martin Polehla > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:21:43 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta > > > > Luk?? Burian wrote: > > >A myslite, ze by to nekdo mohl zeditovat na > >http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPCB ??? pro budouci > >generace... Mimochodem da se verit nabidce na strankach www.ronjashop.cz ?? > >abych mu neposlal pen?ze a on mi jen nepodekoval ;) > > > > > > Cetl jsi vubec nadpis te stranky ?? > > > "PCB pro TX a RX - design OndrejT a K.J.S. (not a part of Ronja project)" > > podle me neni co opravovat, ale jestli mas jiny nazor, tak to muzes > opravit sam. > > O nabydce na www.ronjashop.cz zatim neznam nikoho, kdo by primo od nich > konkretne dostal PCB. Mimo to se na tu stranku prave tedka nemuzu > dostat. Ale to muze byt nesmerodatne a jen docasne. Co si vzpominam, tak > tam funguje cekani na urcity pocet objednavek aby se mohla nechat > vyrobit cela serie. Par lidi znam co maji plosnaky jiz objednane. kdyz sem tam byl v lete, vyzvednout si moje obednane, tak jich tam mel este 2 kupky. nevim jestli po padesati nebo kolika, ale asi mel nake rezervni. a kdyz jsem si obednaval ted, tak prisly za par dni, takze cekani na dalsi obednavku pro firmu, bude podle me az se ona zasoba vycerpa. ale nechci mluvit za horkeho,rikam co sem videl a co si myslim :) > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Feb 16 15:57:53 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:58:02 2005 Subject: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhavy > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:27:26 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 03:07:38PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > chchi se zeptat jestli uz nekdo udelal tistak na Herze. ?? ..... nebo jestli > > je naky duvod proc se do neho nemam poustet..... > > And if you are willing to make one, do it please in gschem and PCB, because > it's unfortunately not technically possible to merge it into Ronja otherwise. mohl bys prosim cesky nebo nemecky? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Feb 16 15:58:22 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:58:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhavy > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:26:45 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 03:07:38PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > chchi se zeptat jestli uz nekdo udelal tistak na Herze. ?? ..... nebo jestli > > je naky duvod proc se do neho nemam poustet..... > > There isn't a Hertz PCB yet. I do not expect there will be any problems if it > should be designed. mohl bys prosim cesky nebo nemecky? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Wed Feb 16 16:26:56 2005 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Wed Feb 16 16:27:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42137450.9070100@kbx.cz> Czech translation: PCBcko hotovy neni a neni duvod predpokladat, ze by tam byly nejake problemy pri designu. Pokud budes neco takoveho delat, tak to, prosim, navrhni za pomoci gschem a PCB, protoze jinak by se to nedalo pridat do projektu RONJA. Shluknuto by Kubajz Jakub Michn?k wrote: >______________________________________________________________ > > >>Od: Karel Kulhavy >>Komu: Twibright Ronja >>Datum: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:26:45 +0000 >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze >> >>On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 03:07:38PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: >> >> >>>chchi se zeptat jestli uz nekdo udelal tistak na Herze. ?? ..... nebo jestli >>>je naky duvod proc se do neho nemam poustet..... >>> >>> >>There isn't a Hertz PCB yet. I do not expect there will be any problems if it >>should be designed. >> >> > >mohl bys prosim cesky nebo nemecky? > > > >>Cl< >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Feb 16 16:36:29 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Feb 16 16:36:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Jakub Sykora > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:26:56 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze > > Czech translation: > PCBcko hotovy neni a neni duvod predpokladat, ze by tam byly nejake > problemy pri designu. Pokud budes neco takoveho delat, tak to, prosim, > navrhni za pomoci gschem a PCB, protoze jinak by se to nedalo pridat do > projektu RONJA. no, hned se to lip cte :) bohuzel, s gschem nemam moc zkusenosti, vlastne temer zadne, ale pokusim se. Zatim ho mam jenom nainstalovany v linuxu, ale nenakreslil sem este ani drat :) (nebyl cas) ... PCB je treba stahnout jako nejakou dalsi soucast nebo se do nej lze prepnout jako napr. v eaglu jednoduse tlacitkem? vadil by navrh ve freeware verzi eaglu? je fakt ze zatim je vsechno delane v PCB, ale eagle je jak pro linux, tak pro win., omezeni na velikost TS by tam urcite problem nedelalo... > > Shluknuto by Kubajz > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > >______________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>Od: Karel Kulhavy > >>Komu: Twibright Ronja > >>Datum: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:26:45 +0000 > >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze > >> > >>On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 03:07:38PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > >> > >> > >>>chchi se zeptat jestli uz nekdo udelal tistak na Herze. ?? ..... nebo jestli > >>>je naky duvod proc se do neho nemam poustet..... > >>> > >>> > >>There isn't a Hertz PCB yet. I do not expect there will be any problems if it > >>should be designed. > >> > >> > > > >mohl bys prosim cesky nebo nemecky? > > > > > > > >>Cl< > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 16 17:12:50 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Feb 16 17:11:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050216171250.GB10475@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 05:36:29PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Jakub Sykora > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:26:56 +0100 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze > > > > Czech translation: > > PCBcko hotovy neni a neni duvod predpokladat, ze by tam byly nejake > > problemy pri designu. Pokud budes neco takoveho delat, tak to, prosim, > > navrhni za pomoci gschem a PCB, protoze jinak by se to nedalo pridat do > > projektu RONJA. > > no, hned se to lip cte :) > > bohuzel, s gschem nemam moc zkusenosti, vlastne temer zadne, ale pokusim se. > Zatim ho mam jenom nainstalovany v linuxu, ale nenakreslil sem este ani drat > :) (nebyl cas) ... PCB je treba stahnout jako nejakou dalsi soucast nebo se > do nej lze prepnout jako napr. v eaglu jednoduse tlacitkem? It must be extra downloaded. It's a separate program. > vadil by navrh ve freeware verzi eaglu? je fakt ze zatim je vsechno delane v > PCB, ale eagle je jak pro linux, tak pro win., omezeni na velikost TS by tam > urcite problem nedelalo... It would matter. Do it in gschem & PCB please. Cl< From jojo at matfyz.cz Wed Feb 16 17:16:58 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Wed Feb 16 17:17:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta In-Reply-To: <42136507.7030301@katka.biz> References: <42136507.7030301@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050216171658.GA16158@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On 2005-02-16 16:21 +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > O nabydce na www.ronjashop.cz zatim neznam nikoho, kdo by primo od nich > konkretne dostal PCB. Mimo to se na tu stranku prave tedka nemuzu > dostat. Ale to muze byt nesmerodatne a jen docasne. Co si vzpominam, tak > tam funguje cekani na urcity pocet objednavek aby se mohla nechat > vyrobit cela serie. Par lidi znam co maji plosnaky jiz objednane. Ja som tiez objednal a po par dnoch si bol osobne po nich. Niekedy 2004-11, IIRC. Nebol ziadny problem. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From kubajz at kbx.cz Wed Feb 16 17:25:41 2005 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Wed Feb 16 17:25:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze In-Reply-To: <20050216171250.GB10475@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050216171250.GB10475@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <42138215.90500@kbx.cz> Czech translation quoted under... Cesky preklad je v uvozovkach pod... Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 05:36:29PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > >>______________________________________________________________ >> >> >>>Od: Jakub Sykora >>>Komu: Twibright Ronja >>>Datum: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:26:56 +0100 >>>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] tistak na Hehze >>> >>>Czech translation: >>>PCBcko hotovy neni a neni duvod predpokladat, ze by tam byly nejake >>>problemy pri designu. Pokud budes neco takoveho delat, tak to, prosim, >>>navrhni za pomoci gschem a PCB, protoze jinak by se to nedalo pridat do >>>projektu RONJA. >>> >>> >>no, hned se to lip cte :) >> >>bohuzel, s gschem nemam moc zkusenosti, vlastne temer zadne, ale pokusim se. >>Zatim ho mam jenom nainstalovany v linuxu, ale nenakreslil sem este ani drat >>:) (nebyl cas) ... PCB je treba stahnout jako nejakou dalsi soucast nebo se >>do nej lze prepnout jako napr. v eaglu jednoduse tlacitkem? >> >> > >It must be extra downloaded. It's a separate program. >"Musi se stahnout zvlast. Je to samostatny program." > > >>vadil by navrh ve freeware verzi eaglu? je fakt ze zatim je vsechno delane v >>PCB, ale eagle je jak pro linux, tak pro win., omezeni na velikost TS by tam >>urcite problem nedelalo... >> >> > >It would matter. Do it in gschem & PCB please. >"To by tedy vadilo. Prosim, udelej to v gschem & PCB." > > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > K From anmic at fmg.sk Wed Feb 16 17:35:51 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Wed Feb 16 17:36:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Light cone diameter difference between 90mm / 130mm lens References: <50834.80.188.116.117.1108541616.squirrel@mail.webglobe.sk> <20050216101816.GA6295@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003e01c5144e$01c3a210$e4ea6cc2@anmic> I mean is there any difference _in shining angle_ when using 90mm/130mm lens? anMic > On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 09:13:36AM +0100, anmic@fmg.sk wrote: > > Thank you for your answer. Is here any difference between using 90mm and > > 130mm lens? > > Yes in distance. See > http://ronja.twibright.com:8080/metropolis/dist.php > > Cl< > > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 16 18:07:03 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Feb 16 18:05:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Light cone diameter difference between 90mm / 130mm lens In-Reply-To: <003e01c5144e$01c3a210$e4ea6cc2@anmic> References: <50834.80.188.116.117.1108541616.squirrel@mail.webglobe.sk> <20050216101816.GA6295@beton.cybernet.src> <003e01c5144e$01c3a210$e4ea6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050216180703.GB10846@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 06:35:51PM +0100, anMic wrote: > I mean is there any difference _in shining angle_ when using 90mm/130mm > lens? Yes. 90mm have generally shorter focal length and therefore the divergence angle is larger with the same LED. Cl< From mouse1 at volny.cz Wed Feb 16 19:51:41 2005 From: mouse1 at volny.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Luk=E1=B9_Burian?=) Date: Wed Feb 16 19:51:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta In-Reply-To: <42136507.7030301@katka.biz> Message-ID: Luk?? Burian wrote: >A myslite, ze by to nekdo mohl zeditovat na >http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPCB ??? pro budouci >generace... Mimochodem da se verit nabidce na strankach www.ronjashop.cz ?? >abych mu neposlal pen?ze a on mi jen nepodekoval ;) > > Cetl jsi vubec nadpis te stranky ?? "PCB pro TX a RX - design OndrejT a K.J.S. (not a part of Ronja project)" podle me neni co opravovat, ale jestli mas jiny nazor, tak to muzes opravit sam. O nabidce na www.ronjashop.cz zatim neznam nikoho, kdo by primo od nich konkretne dostal PCB. Mimo to se na tu stranku prave tedka nemuzu dostat. Ale to muze byt nesmerodatne a jen docasne. Co si vzpominam, tak tam funguje cekani na urcity pocet objednavek aby se mohla nechat vyrobit cela serie. Par lidi znam co maji plosnaky jiz objednane. p0l0us *********************** O PCB pro RX a TX to vim, ale slo mi o tistaky pro twister. Zajimalo by me, co s tim ti lidi delaji - me po par hodinach prestalo bavit, pajet tam kousky dratku... Luky From polous at katka.biz Wed Feb 16 20:01:21 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Feb 16 20:01:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB od Kohouta Message-ID: <4213A691.1060205@katka.biz> Mno prave ze si druhej o kom vim, ze ma neprokoveny. Prvni se je nedavno zkousel prodat na bazaru czfree.net. Mam pocit ze neuspesne. Nevim kolik te staly, ale uz se tim netrap a porid si prokoveny. Mozna by stalo za to zavolat kohoutovy at je uz nikomu nedela a ty filmy znici. p0l0us >Cetl jsi vubec nadpis te stranky ?? > > > "PCB pro TX a RX - design OndrejT a K.J.S. (not a part of Ronja project)" > >podle me neni co opravovat, ale jestli mas jiny nazor, tak to muzes >opravit sam. > >O nabidce na www.ronjashop.cz zatim neznam nikoho, kdo by primo od nich >konkretne dostal PCB. Mimo to se na tu stranku prave tedka nemuzu >dostat. Ale to muze byt nesmerodatne a jen docasne. Co si vzpominam, tak >tam funguje cekani na urcity pocet objednavek aby se mohla nechat >vyrobit cela serie. Par lidi znam co maji plosnaky jiz objednane. > >p0l0us > > >*********************** > > >O PCB pro RX a TX to vim, ale slo mi o tistaky pro twister. Zajimalo by me, >co s tim ti lidi delaji - me po par hodinach prestalo bavit, pajet tam >kousky dratku... > >Luky > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From kendy at hkfree.org Wed Feb 16 23:21:41 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Wed Feb 16 23:21:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? Message-ID: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org> Testuji jiz funkcni moduly pred instalaci (sichr je sichr). Konfigurace: PC A = Notebook s PCMCIA Edimax (Slax) PC B = Stolni PC s 3COM GBit (WidleXP s odinstalovanym QoS) Testy provadim na FTP serveru, ktery bezi na PC B, a vse ovladam z PC A. Prenasim vzdy stejny soubor o velikost 50MB. Zapojeni je nasledujici: PC A >> Twister (Nastaveno pomoci mii-tool Fullduplex) Twister >> mangeovatelny switch s nastavenim 10FD >> obyc edimax switch 5port (ktery je pichly do 100portu toho manage swiche) z edimax switche >> PC B Problem: Kdyz dam "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC A >> PC B jede to krasnych 1.12MB/sec (upload pomoci ftp put) Kdyz dam take "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC B >> PC A jede to taky 1.12MB/sec (download pomoci wget ftp://...) Ale problem nastava kdyz dam zaroven Download a Upload. Upload jede neustale 1.12MB/sec, ale Download spadne na mizernych 148kB/sec. Jakmile skonci upload (skonci drive protoze je to temer 10x rychlejsi) tak download ihned vylitne zase na 1.12MB/sec Dotaz: Je mozne, ze je to chyba nektereho z modulu (RX, TX ci Twister) ? Vymenil sem oba twistery za jine kousky (efekt nula => stale stejna zavada), RX TX jine nemam. Predpokladam ze vlastnost ronji to neni, to bych se docela divil... Anebo je mozne, ze treba muj notebook (je to celeron 1.7GHz / 256MB Ram) nestiha (ci jeho hardisk nestiha) dodavat ci ukladat tak rychle data ? Anebo zapojeni pres manageovatelny switch >>> switch >>> PC dela takovyto "bordel" ??? Setkal ste se nekdo s takovouto zavadou ? Nerad bych po montazi zjistoval cim to je, od toho mi to tu lezi na zemi... Diky predem za namety k vyresni problemu. Kendy HKfree PS: Jedna se o klasiku, tj cervene E4000 diody, SFH203 jako prijimace + BF988. Vse vrabci hnizdo. Testpointy na RX TX vicemene sedi presne na desetiny voltu. RX TX jsou zadeklovane v krabickach. RSSI kdy byl 0% PL bylo 100mV na jednom modulu a 130mV na modulu druhem. Nyni pri testech mam RSSI cca 3.5 V. Twistery jsou take zakrytovane v krabicce. Twistery jsou na oboustrannych PS od horky.net. Spojeni Twister => RX a TX je pomoci 3m kusu RG-58. Ten manageovatelny switch ma skutecne nastaveni na FD (ovislink FSH-24RS). Kdyz na PCMCIA karte nastavim mii-tool eth0 -F 10baseT-HD, tak prenosy nejedou temer vubec az do doby nez druhy twister pripojim na autonego port, ktery si sam nastavi 10HD, pak to jede jako skutecny HD (cca 730-740KB/sec v jednom smeru). Ale problem je ve FD ne HD.... Ty dva switche tam jsou proto, protoze prenaset PC B je velmi slozite, je zabudovan ve stole. Testovat vse u PC B je impossible, protoze by me moje zenska s tim vyhodila z baraku. Diky jeste jednou predem za namety. From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 16 23:51:30 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Feb 16 23:50:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? In-Reply-To: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org> References: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 12:21:41AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Testuji jiz funkcni moduly pred instalaci (sichr je sichr). > > Konfigurace: > > PC A = Notebook s PCMCIA Edimax (Slax) > PC B = Stolni PC s 3COM GBit (WidleXP s odinstalovanym QoS) > > Testy provadim na FTP serveru, ktery bezi na PC B, a vse ovladam z PC A. > Prenasim vzdy stejny soubor o velikost 50MB. > > Zapojeni je nasledujici: > > PC A >> Twister (Nastaveno pomoci mii-tool Fullduplex) > > Twister >> mangeovatelny switch s nastavenim 10FD >> obyc edimax switch > 5port (ktery je pichly do 100portu toho manage swiche) z edimax switche > >> PC B > > Problem: > > Kdyz dam "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC A >> PC B jede to krasnych > 1.12MB/sec (upload pomoci ftp put) > > Kdyz dam take "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC B >> PC A jede to taky > 1.12MB/sec (download pomoci wget ftp://...) > > Ale problem nastava kdyz dam zaroven Download a Upload. > Upload jede neustale 1.12MB/sec, ale Download spadne na mizernych > 148kB/sec. Jakmile skonci upload (skonci drive protoze je to temer 10x > rychlejsi) tak download ihned vylitne zase na 1.12MB/sec This may be caused either by crosstalk between the directions (it shouldn't be there unless there is a bug in Ronja design(, or by the operating system having problem with the load. Or the switch is having problems with the load. Can you try the same directly between the two PC's without the switch involved? Have you tried it once again, when the files are cached into semiconductor memory? Are you connectors according to Ronja guide or are you using something different? Cl< From kendy at hkfree.org Thu Feb 17 00:11:38 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Thu Feb 17 00:11:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? In-Reply-To: <20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org> <20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org> Zkusim vyhodit oba switche at se tedy vylouci moznost jejich chyby. /stejne mi nic jineho nezbyde/ a napojit to primo do druheho kompu, kde nastartuju taky slaxe. Konektory a kabelaz je identicka kopie dle navodu na twibright strankach. Twistery jsou v krabickach dle tveho designu, napojeni na RX TX kabely je pomoci 4 pinove cokolady, a na RG-58 kabelech jsou napajeny ty 2cm kousky dratu , ktere jsou zasunuty do cokolady (vse podle navodu). Pokusu sem delal nekolikatero (asi 30 cca) prave mezi tim sem menil twistery... Problem v loadu OS bych asi moc na PC B (winXP) nevidel, je to vcelku rychla masina (XP 3200+, 1G Ram, a rychly ATA disk), ktera nedela sebemensi problemy. Mozna ten notes, ale to se mi nezda, kdyz tam je jen ten slax. Prohodit smer Tj. twister A zapojim smerem PC B a naopak Twister B smerem PC A se chystam pri dalsich dnesnich testech... Diky Kendy HKfree Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 12:21:41AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > >>Testuji jiz funkcni moduly pred instalaci (sichr je sichr). >> >>Konfigurace: >> >>PC A = Notebook s PCMCIA Edimax (Slax) >>PC B = Stolni PC s 3COM GBit (WidleXP s odinstalovanym QoS) >> >>Testy provadim na FTP serveru, ktery bezi na PC B, a vse ovladam z PC A. >>Prenasim vzdy stejny soubor o velikost 50MB. >> >>Zapojeni je nasledujici: >> >>PC A >> Twister (Nastaveno pomoci mii-tool Fullduplex) >> >>Twister >> mangeovatelny switch s nastavenim 10FD >> obyc edimax switch >>5port (ktery je pichly do 100portu toho manage swiche) z edimax switche >> >>>>PC B >> >>Problem: >> >>Kdyz dam "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC A >> PC B jede to krasnych >>1.12MB/sec (upload pomoci ftp put) >> >>Kdyz dam take "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC B >> PC A jede to taky >>1.12MB/sec (download pomoci wget ftp://...) >> >>Ale problem nastava kdyz dam zaroven Download a Upload. >>Upload jede neustale 1.12MB/sec, ale Download spadne na mizernych >>148kB/sec. Jakmile skonci upload (skonci drive protoze je to temer 10x >>rychlejsi) tak download ihned vylitne zase na 1.12MB/sec > > > This may be caused either by crosstalk between the directions (it shouldn't be > there unless there is a bug in Ronja design(, or by the operating system having > problem with the load. Or the switch is having problems with the load. > > Can you try the same directly between the two PC's without the switch > involved? > > Have you tried it once again, when the files are cached into semiconductor > memory? > > Are you connectors according to Ronja guide or are you using something > different? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Feb 17 08:32:07 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (boza2@volny.cz) Date: Thu Feb 17 08:32:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? In-Reply-To: <4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org> References: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org> <20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src> <4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org> Message-ID: Zdravim do HK, Neco podobneho se nam delo taky, jeden smer jel mizerne, druhy OK a chyba byla v tom, ze jedna strana (ac se tak tvarila) nebyla nastavena na FD. Takze po rekonfigurovani uz se to rozjelo OK. Ondra ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Kendy - HKFree" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? Datum: 17.2.2005 - 1:11:47 > Zkusim vyhodit oba switche at se tedy vylouci moznost jejich > chyby. > /stejne mi nic jineho nezbyde/ a napojit to primo do druheho > kompu, kde > nastartuju taky slaxe. > > Konektory a kabelaz je identicka kopie dle navodu na twibright > strankach. Twistery jsou v krabickach dle tveho designu, > napojeni na RX > TX kabely je pomoci 4 pinove cokolady, a na RG-58 kabelech jsou > napajeny > ty 2cm kousky dratu , ktere jsou zasunuty do cokolady (vse > podle navodu). > > Pokusu sem delal nekolikatero (asi 30 cca) prave mezi tim sem > menil > twistery... > > Problem v loadu OS bych asi moc na PC B (winXP) nevidel, je to > vcelku > rychla masina (XP 3200+, 1G Ram, a rychly ATA disk), ktera > nedela > sebemensi problemy. Mozna ten notes, ale to se mi nezda, kdyz > tam je jen > ten slax. > > Prohodit smer Tj. twister A zapojim smerem PC B a naopak > Twister B > smerem PC A se chystam pri dalsich dnesnich testech... > > > > Diky > > > Kendy > HKfree > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 12:21:41AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree > > wrote: > > > >>Testuji jiz funkcni moduly pred instalaci (sichr je sichr). > >> > >>Konfigurace: > >> > >>PC A = Notebook s PCMCIA Edimax (Slax) > >>PC B = Stolni PC s 3COM GBit (WidleXP s odinstalovanym QoS) > >> > >>Testy provadim na FTP serveru, ktery bezi na PC B, a vse > >>ovladam z PC A. > >>Prenasim vzdy stejny soubor o velikost 50MB. > >> > >>Zapojeni je nasledujici: > >> > >>PC A >> Twister (Nastaveno pomoci mii-tool Fullduplex) > >> > >>Twister >> mangeovatelny switch s nastavenim 10FD >> obyc > >>edimax switch > >>5port (ktery je pichly do 100portu toho manage swiche) z > >>edimax switche > >> > >>>>PC B > >> > >>Problem: > >> > >>Kdyz dam "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC A >> PC B jede to > >>krasnych > >>1.12MB/sec (upload pomoci ftp put) > >> > >>Kdyz dam take "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC B >> PC A jede to > >>taky > >>1.12MB/sec (download pomoci wget ftp://...) > >> > >>Ale problem nastava kdyz dam zaroven Download a Upload. > >>Upload jede neustale 1.12MB/sec, ale Download spadne na > >>mizernych > >>148kB/sec. Jakmile skonci upload (skonci drive protoze je to > >>temer 10x > >>rychlejsi) tak download ihned vylitne zase na 1.12MB/sec > > > > > > This may be caused either by crosstalk between the directions > > (it shouldn't be > > there unless there is a bug in Ronja design(, or by the > > operating system having > > problem with the load. Or the switch is having problems with > > the load. > > > > Can you try the same directly between the two PC's without > > the switch > > involved? > > > > Have you tried it once again, when the files are cached into > > semiconductor > > memory? > > > > Are you connectors according to Ronja guide or are you using > > something > > different? > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Levn?j?? internet v pracovn? dny ji? od 18:00 hod. Surfujte s VOLN?! http://mimospicku.volny.cz From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Feb 17 08:36:00 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Thu Feb 17 08:41:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? In-Reply-To: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <42146580.12802.99412@localhost> On 17 Feb 2005 at 0:21, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Testuji jiz funkcni moduly pred instalaci (sichr je sichr). > > Konfigurace: > > PC A = Notebook s PCMCIA Edimax (Slax) > PC B = Stolni PC s 3COM GBit (WidleXP s odinstalovanym QoS) > > Testy provadim na FTP serveru, ktery bezi na PC B, a vse ovladam z PC A. > Prenasim vzdy stejny soubor o velikost 50MB. > > Zapojeni je nasledujici: > > PC A >> Twister (Nastaveno pomoci mii-tool Fullduplex) > > Twister >> mangeovatelny switch s nastavenim 10FD >> obyc edimax switch No to bude presne ono managovatelny switch nastav auto nebo half duplex, ten edimax tam nastavi vzdy half duplex a pak se deje co s deje. > 5port (ktery je pichly do 100portu toho manage swiche) z edimax switche > >> PC B > > Problem: > > Kdyz dam "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC A >> PC B jede to krasnych > 1.12MB/sec (upload pomoci ftp put) > > Kdyz dam take "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC B >> PC A jede to taky > 1.12MB/sec (download pomoci wget ftp://...) > > Ale problem nastava kdyz dam zaroven Download a Upload. > Upload jede neustale 1.12MB/sec, ale Download spadne na mizernych > 148kB/sec. Jakmile skonci upload (skonci drive protoze je to temer 10x > rychlejsi) tak download ihned vylitne zase na 1.12MB/sec > > > Dotaz: > > Je mozne, ze je to chyba nektereho z modulu (RX, TX ci Twister) ? > Vymenil sem oba twistery za jine kousky (efekt nula => stale stejna > zavada), RX TX jine nemam. > > Predpokladam ze vlastnost ronji to neni, to bych se docela divil... > > Anebo je mozne, ze treba muj notebook (je to celeron 1.7GHz / 256MB Ram) > nestiha (ci jeho hardisk nestiha) dodavat ci ukladat tak rychle data ? > > Anebo zapojeni pres manageovatelny switch >>> switch >>> PC dela > takovyto "bordel" ??? > > > Setkal ste se nekdo s takovouto zavadou ? Nerad bych po montazi > zjistoval cim to je, od toho mi to tu lezi na zemi... > > > > Diky predem za namety k vyresni problemu. > > > Kendy > HKfree > > PS: Jedna se o klasiku, tj cervene E4000 diody, SFH203 jako prijimace + > BF988. Vse vrabci hnizdo. Testpointy na RX TX vicemene sedi presne na > desetiny voltu. RX TX jsou zadeklovane v krabickach. RSSI kdy byl 0% PL > bylo 100mV na jednom modulu a 130mV na modulu druhem. Nyni pri testech > mam RSSI cca 3.5 V. Twistery jsou take zakrytovane v krabicce. Twistery > jsou na oboustrannych PS od horky.net. Spojeni Twister => RX a TX je > pomoci 3m kusu RG-58. > Ten manageovatelny switch ma skutecne nastaveni na FD (ovislink > FSH-24RS). Kdyz na PCMCIA karte nastavim mii-tool eth0 -F 10baseT-HD, > tak prenosy nejedou temer vubec az do doby nez druhy twister pripojim na > autonego port, ktery si sam nastavi 10HD, pak to jede jako skutecny HD > (cca 730-740KB/sec v jednom smeru). Ale problem je ve FD ne HD.... > > Ty dva switche tam jsou proto, protoze prenaset PC B je velmi slozite, > je zabudovan ve stole. Testovat vse u PC B je impossible, protoze by me > moje zenska s tim vyhodila z baraku. > > Diky jeste jednou predem za namety. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kendy at hkfree.org Thu Feb 17 09:08:15 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Thu Feb 17 09:06:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? References: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org><20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src><4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <00b401c514d0$36e72c00$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Ahoj Ondro taky zdravim, Pri zkouseni jestli mam FD ci HD jsem delal prenosy z PC A >>> B nebo i naopak PC B >>> A jelo to 1.12MB/sec (test sem delal jen soucasne jednim smerem). Kdyz sem Twister B prehodil ve switchi do nenastaveneho portu , tak switch ihned prepl na HD a jelo to cca max 750KB/sec (a to bud smerem A >> B nebo i naopak) Uplne stejne se to zachovalo, kdyz sem na PC A nastavil na PCMCIA pomoci mii-tool HD. Taky prenos spadl na max 750KB/sec Myslim ze FD je nastaven na obou stranach spravne. ( Anebo neco prehlizim co vidis ty ci nekdo jiny??) Kdyz sem znovu vse ponastavil na FD >>> Twister A v eth karte a mii-toolem nastaven FD a Twister B v managed portu switche nastavenem na 10-FD autonego off, tak prenosy vylitly na 1.12MB/sec obema smery (vzdy testovan zaroven jen jeden smer) Problem dela jen soucasny prenos obema smery (viz muj prvni mail) Kendy HKfree ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? Zdravim do HK, Neco podobneho se nam delo taky, jeden smer jel mizerne, druhy OK a chyba byla v tom, ze jedna strana (ac se tak tvarila) nebyla nastavena na FD. Takze po rekonfigurovani uz se to rozjelo OK. Ondra ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Kendy - HKFree" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? Datum: 17.2.2005 - 1:11:47 > Zkusim vyhodit oba switche at se tedy vylouci moznost jejich > chyby. > /stejne mi nic jineho nezbyde/ a napojit to primo do druheho > kompu, kde > nastartuju taky slaxe. > > Konektory a kabelaz je identicka kopie dle navodu na twibright > strankach. Twistery jsou v krabickach dle tveho designu, > napojeni na RX > TX kabely je pomoci 4 pinove cokolady, a na RG-58 kabelech jsou > napajeny > ty 2cm kousky dratu , ktere jsou zasunuty do cokolady (vse > podle navodu). > > Pokusu sem delal nekolikatero (asi 30 cca) prave mezi tim sem > menil > twistery... > > Problem v loadu OS bych asi moc na PC B (winXP) nevidel, je to > vcelku > rychla masina (XP 3200+, 1G Ram, a rychly ATA disk), ktera > nedela > sebemensi problemy. Mozna ten notes, ale to se mi nezda, kdyz > tam je jen > ten slax. > > Prohodit smer Tj. twister A zapojim smerem PC B a naopak > Twister B > smerem PC A se chystam pri dalsich dnesnich testech... > > > > Diky > > > Kendy > HKfree > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 12:21:41AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree > > wrote: > > > >>Testuji jiz funkcni moduly pred instalaci (sichr je sichr). > >> > >>Konfigurace: > >> > >>PC A = Notebook s PCMCIA Edimax (Slax) > >>PC B = Stolni PC s 3COM GBit (WidleXP s odinstalovanym QoS) > >> > >>Testy provadim na FTP serveru, ktery bezi na PC B, a vse > >>ovladam z PC A. > >>Prenasim vzdy stejny soubor o velikost 50MB. > >> > >>Zapojeni je nasledujici: > >> > >>PC A >> Twister (Nastaveno pomoci mii-tool Fullduplex) > >> > >>Twister >> mangeovatelny switch s nastavenim 10FD >> obyc > >>edimax switch > >>5port (ktery je pichly do 100portu toho manage swiche) z > >>edimax switche > >> > >>>>PC B > >> > >>Problem: > >> > >>Kdyz dam "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC A >> PC B jede to > >>krasnych > >>1.12MB/sec (upload pomoci ftp put) > >> > >>Kdyz dam take "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC B >> PC A jede to > >>taky > >>1.12MB/sec (download pomoci wget ftp://...) > >> > >>Ale problem nastava kdyz dam zaroven Download a Upload. > >>Upload jede neustale 1.12MB/sec, ale Download spadne na > >>mizernych > >>148kB/sec. Jakmile skonci upload (skonci drive protoze je to > >>temer 10x > >>rychlejsi) tak download ihned vylitne zase na 1.12MB/sec > > > > > > This may be caused either by crosstalk between the directions > > (it shouldn't be > > there unless there is a bug in Ronja design(, or by the > > operating system having > > problem with the load. Or the switch is having problems with > > the load. > > > > Can you try the same directly between the two PC's without > > the switch > > involved? > > > > Have you tried it once again, when the files are cached into > > semiconductor > > memory? > > > > Are you connectors according to Ronja guide or are you using > > something > > different? > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Levn?j?? internet v pracovn? dny ji? od 18:00 hod. Surfujte s VOLN?! http://mimospicku.volny.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kendy at hkfree.org Thu Feb 17 09:14:12 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Thu Feb 17 09:12:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? References: <42146580.12802.99412@localhost> Message-ID: <00ba01c514d1$0bd424e0$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Aha, to sem spatne napsal Managed switch je Ovislink FSH-24RS Port 1-4 nastaven na 10-FD autonego off (zde je zapojen twister B). Pak tam mam jeste jeden switch (ten uz je ve vedlejsi mistnosti) a to je ten obyc Edimax 5ti port, ktery je pichly do portu 9 toho ovislink managed switche. Switche se mezi sebou rozsvitily na 100FD. Teprve do dalsiho portu Edimaxe je pichly PC B Tohle harakiri je proto ze PC B je uplne v jine mistnosti nez PC A. A prestehovat PC B k PC A nelze, stejne tak ten "bordel" (jak to nazyva moje zena) nesmi do mistnosti kde je PC B, kabel pry jeste prezije , ale ronju a ostatni naradi atd. ne :))) Nicmene, dnes sem se rozhodl ze splacam PC C se 100 vou eth kartou a oba switche poleti do skladku. Kendy HKFree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? > On 17 Feb 2005 at 0:21, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > > > Testuji jiz funkcni moduly pred instalaci (sichr je sichr). > > > > Konfigurace: > > > > PC A = Notebook s PCMCIA Edimax (Slax) > > PC B = Stolni PC s 3COM GBit (WidleXP s odinstalovanym QoS) > > > > Testy provadim na FTP serveru, ktery bezi na PC B, a vse ovladam z PC A. > > Prenasim vzdy stejny soubor o velikost 50MB. > > > > Zapojeni je nasledujici: > > > > PC A >> Twister (Nastaveno pomoci mii-tool Fullduplex) > > > > Twister >> mangeovatelny switch s nastavenim 10FD >> obyc edimax switch > > No to bude presne ono managovatelny switch nastav auto nebo half duplex, ten > edimax tam nastavi vzdy half duplex a pak se deje co s deje. > > > 5port (ktery je pichly do 100portu toho manage swiche) z edimax switche > > >> PC B > > > > Problem: > > > > Kdyz dam "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC A >> PC B jede to krasnych > > 1.12MB/sec (upload pomoci ftp put) > > > > Kdyz dam take "samostatny" prenos FTP z PC B >> PC A jede to taky > > 1.12MB/sec (download pomoci wget ftp://...) > > > > Ale problem nastava kdyz dam zaroven Download a Upload. > > Upload jede neustale 1.12MB/sec, ale Download spadne na mizernych > > 148kB/sec. Jakmile skonci upload (skonci drive protoze je to temer 10x > > rychlejsi) tak download ihned vylitne zase na 1.12MB/sec > > > > > > Dotaz: > > > > Je mozne, ze je to chyba nektereho z modulu (RX, TX ci Twister) ? > > Vymenil sem oba twistery za jine kousky (efekt nula => stale stejna > > zavada), RX TX jine nemam. > > > > Predpokladam ze vlastnost ronji to neni, to bych se docela divil... > > > > Anebo je mozne, ze treba muj notebook (je to celeron 1.7GHz / 256MB Ram) > > nestiha (ci jeho hardisk nestiha) dodavat ci ukladat tak rychle data ? > > > > Anebo zapojeni pres manageovatelny switch >>> switch >>> PC dela > > takovyto "bordel" ??? > > > > > > Setkal ste se nekdo s takovouto zavadou ? Nerad bych po montazi > > zjistoval cim to je, od toho mi to tu lezi na zemi... > > > > > > > > Diky predem za namety k vyresni problemu. > > > > > > Kendy > > HKfree > > > > PS: Jedna se o klasiku, tj cervene E4000 diody, SFH203 jako prijimace + > > BF988. Vse vrabci hnizdo. Testpointy na RX TX vicemene sedi presne na > > desetiny voltu. RX TX jsou zadeklovane v krabickach. RSSI kdy byl 0% PL > > bylo 100mV na jednom modulu a 130mV na modulu druhem. Nyni pri testech > > mam RSSI cca 3.5 V. Twistery jsou take zakrytovane v krabicce. Twistery > > jsou na oboustrannych PS od horky.net. Spojeni Twister => RX a TX je > > pomoci 3m kusu RG-58. > > Ten manageovatelny switch ma skutecne nastaveni na FD (ovislink > > FSH-24RS). Kdyz na PCMCIA karte nastavim mii-tool eth0 -F 10baseT-HD, > > tak prenosy nejedou temer vubec az do doby nez druhy twister pripojim na > > autonego port, ktery si sam nastavi 10HD, pak to jede jako skutecny HD > > (cca 730-740KB/sec v jednom smeru). Ale problem je ve FD ne HD.... > > > > Ty dva switche tam jsou proto, protoze prenaset PC B je velmi slozite, > > je zabudovan ve stole. Testovat vse u PC B je impossible, protoze by me > > moje zenska s tim vyhodila z baraku. > > > > Diky jeste jednou predem za namety. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Feb 17 10:16:57 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Feb 17 10:17:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? References: <42146580.12802.99412@localhost> <00ba01c514d1$0bd424e0$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Message-ID: <003401c514d9$d01f7b30$3701a8c0@pwech01> mii-tool mi FD nekdy nastavil az po nekolikan?sobn?m pokusu notasy maj? pomal? disky, ale to by pak klesly oba smery, z?lez? ovsem na OS > > Nicmene, dnes sem se rozhodl ze splacam PC C se 100 vou eth kartou a oba > switche poleti do skladku. > co takhle, kdyby zmenily smer letu? treba ke me :-) stac? ten managed ... Cipis From clock at twibright.com Thu Feb 17 10:20:56 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Feb 17 10:19:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? In-Reply-To: <4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org> References: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org> <20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src> <4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20050217102056.GA1735@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 01:11:38AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Zkusim vyhodit oba switche at se tedy vylouci moznost jejich chyby. > /stejne mi nic jineho nezbyde/ a napojit to primo do druheho kompu, kde > nastartuju taky slaxe. > > Konektory a kabelaz je identicka kopie dle navodu na twibright > strankach. Twistery jsou v krabickach dle tveho designu, napojeni na RX > TX kabely je pomoci 4 pinove cokolady, a na RG-58 kabelech jsou napajeny > ty 2cm kousky dratu , ktere jsou zasunuty do cokolady (vse podle navodu). > > Pokusu sem delal nekolikatero (asi 30 cca) prave mezi tim sem menil > twistery... > > Problem v loadu OS bych asi moc na PC B (winXP) nevidel, je to vcelku > rychla masina (XP 3200+, 1G Ram, a rychly ATA disk), ktera nedela > sebemensi problemy. Mozna ten notes, ale to se mi nezda, kdyz tam je jen > ten slax. I got another idea. If the problem is in Ronja not being able to serve full duplex, then run two instances of ronjaping -c -l 1400 simultaneously. For example on two consoles of the Linux or each on different endpoint (computer). This will ensure that there will be moments when two packets will be present, on each direction one. If there is a problem in Ronja, a packetloss will occur. You can run also 3 instances or so. If you don't get a packetloss, then Ronja is not faulty. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Feb 17 10:26:05 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Feb 17 10:24:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? In-Reply-To: <003401c514d9$d01f7b30$3701a8c0@pwech01> References: <42146580.12802.99412@localhost> <00ba01c514d1$0bd424e0$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> <003401c514d9$d01f7b30$3701a8c0@pwech01> Message-ID: <20050217102605.GC1735@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 11:16:57AM +0100, Cipis wrote: > mii-tool mi FD nekdy nastavil az po nekolikan?sobn?m pokusu > notasy maj? pomal? disky, ale to by pak klesly oba smery, z?lez? ovsem na OS If you use Linux, the file gets cached into memory and runs smoothly on the second try (unless you are running some memory-trashing app on the background). Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Feb 17 10:24:20 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Feb 17 10:24:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? References: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org><20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src><4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org> <20050217102056.GA1735@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004201c514da$d8224dc0$3701a8c0@pwech01> jeste dals? vec, jak m?s daleko od sebe c?sti RONJI? predpokl?d?m, ze je to v nejak? testovac? f?zi bez mechaniky a ostatn?ch vec?, tak jestli tam nem?s nejak? rusen?, odrazy, ze kdyz jede jeden smer na plno, tak zarus? druh? smer ... Cipis From kendy at hkfree.org Thu Feb 17 10:34:28 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Thu Feb 17 10:32:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? References: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org><20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src><4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org><20050217102056.GA1735@beton.cybernet.src> <004201c514da$d8224dc0$3701a8c0@pwech01> Message-ID: <012b01c514dc$428b1920$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Prave ze je vse uz zamontovane v tubusech, uzavrene v krabickach...vzdalenost cca 2m, a paprsky jsou mirne vyosene (vyosil sem to tak aby rssi bylo cca 2V), tak abych neprebudil ty vstupni tranzistory. Ale ikdyz sem to nastavil na max (jako by byly moduly bez mechaniky u sebe - s rssi cca 3.8V) tak zmena zadna vse stejne. Kendy HKfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? > jeste dals? vec, jak m?s daleko od sebe c?sti RONJI? predpokl?d?m, ze je to > v nejak? testovac? f?zi bez mechaniky a ostatn?ch vec?, tak jestli tam nem?s > nejak? rusen?, odrazy, ze kdyz jede jeden smer na plno, tak zarus? druh? > smer ... > > Cipis > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Thu Feb 17 14:54:18 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:02:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? In-Reply-To: <012b01c514dc$428b1920$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> References: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org> <20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src> <4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org> <20050217102056.GA1735@beton.cybernet.src> <004201c514da$d8224dc0$3701a8c0@pwech01> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050217154843.03269ec0@mail.net22.cz> Jen pro uplnost. Je spoj odskouseny bez ronji? Je to testnuty bez RX a TX (jednoduse propojeny twistery)? Co stejnej test z druhyho PC? Deje se to z obou stran stejne? Nebo zkusit prohodit twistery? Good luck Kucik At 11:34 17.2.2005 +0100, you wrote: >Prave ze je vse uz zamontovane v tubusech, uzavrene v >krabickach...vzdalenost cca 2m, a paprsky jsou mirne vyosene (vyosil sem to >tak aby rssi bylo cca 2V), tak abych neprebudil ty vstupni tranzistory. Ale >ikdyz sem to nastavil na max (jako by byly moduly bez mechaniky u sebe - s >rssi cca 3.8V) tak zmena zadna vse stejne. > > >Kendy >HKfree >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cipis" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:24 AM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? > > > > jeste dals? vec, jak m?s daleko od sebe c?sti RONJI? predpokl?d?m, ze je >to > > v nejak? testovac? f?zi bez mechaniky a ostatn?ch vec?, tak jestli tam >nem?s > > nejak? rusen?, odrazy, ze kdyz jede jeden smer na plno, tak zarus? druh? > > smer ... > > > > Cipis > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kendy at hkfree.org Thu Feb 17 15:07:33 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:05:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? References: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org><20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src><4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org><20050217102056.GA1735@beton.cybernet.src><004201c514da$d8224dc0$3701a8c0@pwech01> <5.1.0.14.0.20050217154843.03269ec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <028701c51502$6903c5e0$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Twistery sem prehazoval (mam jeden par navic), tema to nebylo. A to sem prohodil oba dva, tedy jel sem na druhej par twisteru s uplne stejnym vysledkem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Kucko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? Jen pro uplnost. Je spoj odskouseny bez ronji? Je to testnuty bez RX a TX (jednoduse propojeny twistery)? Co stejnej test z druhyho PC? Deje se to z obou stran stejne? Nebo zkusit prohodit twistery? Good luck Kucik At 11:34 17.2.2005 +0100, you wrote: >Prave ze je vse uz zamontovane v tubusech, uzavrene v >krabickach...vzdalenost cca 2m, a paprsky jsou mirne vyosene (vyosil sem to >tak aby rssi bylo cca 2V), tak abych neprebudil ty vstupni tranzistory. Ale >ikdyz sem to nastavil na max (jako by byly moduly bez mechaniky u sebe - s >rssi cca 3.8V) tak zmena zadna vse stejne. > > >Kendy >HKfree >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cipis" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:24 AM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? > > > > jeste dals? vec, jak m?s daleko od sebe c?sti RONJI? predpokl?d?m, ze je >to > > v nejak? testovac? f?zi bez mechaniky a ostatn?ch vec?, tak jestli tam >nem?s > > nejak? rusen?, odrazy, ze kdyz jede jeden smer na plno, tak zarus? druh? > > smer ... > > > > Cipis > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Thu Feb 17 15:12:41 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:20:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? In-Reply-To: <028701c51502$6903c5e0$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> References: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org> <20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src> <4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org> <20050217102056.GA1735@beton.cybernet.src> <004201c514da$d8224dc0$3701a8c0@pwech01> <5.1.0.14.0.20050217154843.03269ec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050217161152.0323c9c0@mail.net22.cz> A co proste vyhodit ronju a zacvaknout kabel? Tim bych zacal. At 16:07 17.2.2005 +0100, you wrote: >Twistery sem prehazoval (mam jeden par navic), tema to nebylo. A to sem >prohodil oba dva, tedy jel sem na druhej par twisteru s uplne stejnym >vysledkem. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Martin Kucko" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:54 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? > > >Jen pro uplnost. >Je spoj odskouseny bez ronji? Je to testnuty bez RX a TX (jednoduse >propojeny twistery)? Co stejnej test z druhyho PC? Deje se to z obou stran >stejne? Nebo zkusit prohodit twistery? > >Good luck >Kucik > >At 11:34 17.2.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >Prave ze je vse uz zamontovane v tubusech, uzavrene v > >krabickach...vzdalenost cca 2m, a paprsky jsou mirne vyosene (vyosil sem to > >tak aby rssi bylo cca 2V), tak abych neprebudil ty vstupni tranzistory. Ale > >ikdyz sem to nastavil na max (jako by byly moduly bez mechaniky u sebe - s > >rssi cca 3.8V) tak zmena zadna vse stejne. > > > > > >Kendy > >HKfree > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Cipis" > >To: "Twibright Ronja" > >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:24 AM > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? > > > > > > > jeste dals? vec, jak m?s daleko od sebe c?sti RONJI? predpokl?d?m, ze je > >to > > > v nejak? testovac? f?zi bez mechaniky a ostatn?ch vec?, tak jestli tam > >nem?s > > > nejak? rusen?, odrazy, ze kdyz jede jeden smer na plno, tak zarus? druh? > > > smer ... > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Feb 17 15:32:09 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:30:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working Message-ID: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> Hello today I have tested a prototype of official Ronja PCB TX and it seems to work fine. I tested with two Q101 transistors in a single RX against an airwire (AW) TX. The first one (BF988 or BF982, transistor history unknown) RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz TX PCB 24.4mV 11.7% 1% TX AW 24.6mV 25.0% 2.9% second one (BF998 probably (SMD, no meaningful type designation but I don't remember buying different SMD MOSFET than BF998), guaranteed static-sensitive handling) RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz dist TX PCB 64.1mV 18-24% 3-4% 2.25m TX AW 64.0mV 16-30% 4-6% 2.5m >From this measurement it looks like the PCB TX has exactly the same performance as airwire TX and that the differences are only measurement errors (in the firt try it looked like PCB is slightly better, in the second like it's the same with AW). Cl< From kendy at hkfree.org Thu Feb 17 15:40:04 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:38:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working References: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <02ad01c51506$f38cb880$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> To jsou velmi dobre zpravy. Jsi jeho strujcem ? Pak tedy gratuluji ! Kendy HKfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working > Hello > > today I have tested a prototype of official Ronja PCB TX and it seems to work > fine. > > I tested with two Q101 transistors in a single RX against an airwire (AW) TX. > > The first one (BF988 or BF982, transistor history unknown) > > RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz > TX PCB 24.4mV 11.7% 1% > TX AW 24.6mV 25.0% 2.9% > > second one (BF998 probably (SMD, no meaningful type designation but I don't > remember buying different SMD MOSFET than BF998), guaranteed static-sensitive > handling) > > RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz dist > TX PCB 64.1mV 18-24% 3-4% 2.25m > TX AW 64.0mV 16-30% 4-6% 2.5m > > >From this measurement it looks like the PCB TX has exactly the same > performance as airwire TX and that the differences are only measurement errors > (in the firt try it looked like PCB is slightly better, in the second like it's > the same with AW). > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Feb 17 15:47:53 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:46:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working In-Reply-To: <02ad01c51506$f38cb880$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> References: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> <02ad01c51506$f38cb880$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Message-ID: <20050217154753.GA7401@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 04:40:04PM +0100, Kendy wrote: > To jsou velmi dobre zpravy. Jsi jeho strujcem ? Of course. I designed it personally (and Brain populated it). It's a TMT (Through-hole Mounting Technology), i. e. ordinary components, no SMD. > > Pak tedy gratuluji ! Thanks, Cl< From kucik at net22.cz Thu Feb 17 15:42:02 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:50:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working In-Reply-To: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050217162949.03240d00@mail.net22.cz> It looks fine. What about TX distance from RX in a first case? Diky Kucik At 15:32 17.2.2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hello > >today I have tested a prototype of official Ronja PCB TX and it seems to work >fine. > >I tested with two Q101 transistors in a single RX against an airwire (AW) TX. > >The first one (BF988 or BF982, transistor history unknown) > > RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz >TX PCB 24.4mV 11.7% 1% >TX AW 24.6mV 25.0% 2.9% > >second one (BF998 probably (SMD, no meaningful type designation but I don't >remember buying different SMD MOSFET than BF998), guaranteed static-sensitive >handling) > > RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz dist >TX PCB 64.1mV 18-24% 3-4% 2.25m >TX AW 64.0mV 16-30% 4-6% 2.5m > > >From this measurement it looks like the PCB TX has exactly the same >performance as airwire TX and that the differences are only measurement errors >(in the firt try it looked like PCB is slightly better, in the second like >it's >the same with AW). > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Thu Feb 17 15:55:44 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:55:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working In-Reply-To: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4214BE80.5040204@katka.biz> Take gratuluji k uspechu, a samozrejme se chci zeptat, kdy a za jakych podminek budou pcb pripravene k uvolneni ? p0l0us Karel Kulhavy wrote: >Hello > >today I have tested a prototype of official Ronja PCB TX and it seems to work >fine. > >I tested with two Q101 transistors in a single RX against an airwire (AW) TX. > >The first one (BF988 or BF982, transistor history unknown) > > RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz >TX PCB 24.4mV 11.7% 1% >TX AW 24.6mV 25.0% 2.9% > >second one (BF998 probably (SMD, no meaningful type designation but I don't >remember buying different SMD MOSFET than BF998), guaranteed static-sensitive >handling) > > RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz dist >TX PCB 64.1mV 18-24% 3-4% 2.25m >TX AW 64.0mV 16-30% 4-6% 2.5m > >>From this measurement it looks like the PCB TX has exactly the same >performance as airwire TX and that the differences are only measurement errors >(in the firt try it looked like PCB is slightly better, in the second like it's >the same with AW). > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Feb 17 16:00:34 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:59:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050217162949.03240d00@mail.net22.cz> References: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> <5.1.0.14.0.20050217162949.03240d00@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050217160034.GB7490@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 04:42:02PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > It looks fine. > What about TX distance from RX in a first case? I forgot to measure it, but it was similar. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Feb 17 16:04:20 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Feb 17 16:02:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working In-Reply-To: <4214BE80.5040204@katka.biz> References: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> <4214BE80.5040204@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050217160420.GA7550@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 04:55:44PM +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Take gratuluji k uspechu, > a samozrejme se chci zeptat, kdy a za jakych podminek budou pcb > pripravene k uvolneni ? I have to consolidate the guide somehow, but it will take some time, because 1) Got a broken track here (bad mechanics, corroded electronics, installation not compliant with the guide) which is having packetloss and need to replace it so I am making a replacement 2) Don't have time temporarily now anyway but hope to have soon after things resolve out. Cl< From mouse1 at volny.cz Thu Feb 17 19:23:16 2005 From: mouse1 at volny.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Luk=E1=B9_Burian?=) Date: Thu Feb 17 19:23:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Patice na IO Message-ID: Ahoj, podle fotek vid?m, ?e ne v?echny IO jsou v patic?ch. Bude m?t n?jak? vliv na funk?nost, pokud d?m do patic v?echny ?v?by? Dik Luky ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050217/1fefd20f/attachment.htm From kucik at net22.cz Thu Feb 17 19:20:49 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Thu Feb 17 19:29:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Patice na IO Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050217201812.0320a080@mail.net22.cz> Zde byl um?st?n nep?ijateln? obsah typu: multipart/alternative From polous at katka.biz Thu Feb 17 19:47:07 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Feb 17 19:47:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Patice na IO Message-ID: <4214F4BB.50703@katka.biz> Luk?? Burian wrote: > Ahoj, > > podle fotek vid?m, ?e ne v?echny IO jsou v patic?ch? Bude m?t n?jak? > vliv na funk?nost, pokud d?m do patic v?echny ?v?by? > > Dik > > Luky > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > Osobne jsem vse pajel bez patic, jiz treti par twisteru tak funguje bez problemu. Jinak pokud jsou patice kvalitni, tak nevidim duvod proc by to melo vadit. p0l0us From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Thu Feb 17 20:06:23 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Feb 17 20:06:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Patice na IO Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Martin Polehla > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:47:07 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Patice na IO > > Luk?? Burian wrote: > > > Ahoj, > > > > podle fotek vid?m, ?e ne v?echny IO jsou v patic?ch? Bude m?t n?jak? > > vliv na funk?nost, pokud d?m do patic v?echny ?v??y? > > kdyz je v patici, tak tam nedrzi pevne. a kdyz ho nazlobis, tak se muze vyvliknout, vzit nohy na ramena (to uz nedas zpatky, polames mu je) a odejde... nekdy se obtizne hledaji ... zvlast kdyz mas v krabicce diry..... :P. co muze byt problem. kdyz vyleze z krab. v Tx a vleze na cocku. pak prekazi a zeslabuje signal..... > > Dik > > > > Luky > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > Osobne jsem vse pajel bez patic, jiz treti par twisteru tak funguje bez > problemu. Jinak pokud jsou patice kvalitni, tak nevidim duvod proc by to > melo vadit. > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Feb 17 20:12:55 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Thu Feb 17 20:17:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Patice na IO In-Reply-To: <20050217192332.C7E981A335F@service.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <421508D7.18002.287B9AC@localhost> Krom NE592 v primaci to do patic dat muzes. Ale radsi pouzij precizni patice, ale i tak se snizi drasticky spolehlivost zarizeni. Petr > > Ahoj, > podle fotek vid?m, e ne v echny IO jsou vpatic?ch? Bude m?t n jak vliv na funk nost, pokud d?m > do patic v echny v?by? > > Dik > Luky > From kendy at hkfree.org Thu Feb 17 20:18:52 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Thu Feb 17 20:19:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050217161152.0323c9c0@mail.net22.cz> References: <4213D585.1000008@hkfree.org> <20050216235130.GH12839@beton.cybernet.src> <4213E13A.7010102@hkfree.org> <20050217102056.GA1735@beton.cybernet.src> <004201c514da$d8224dc0$3701a8c0@pwech01> <5.1.0.14.0.20050217154843.03269ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050217161152.0323c9c0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <4214FC2C.7010702@hkfree.org> Tak vsem co pastli nejakou radu dekuji, problem solved. Problem je v tom obyc switchi edimax. Pokud jde pres nej traffic, tak to dela takovej "bordel" jak jsem psal. Naopak Managed Switch Ovislink si stoji velmi dobre, pres nej jde traffic presne tak jak by mel jit. Vysledek z dnesniho finalniho testu sem tipl do jpg: http://igw.hkfree.org/images/prenos.FD.jpg FullDuplex jako vysity :))) Parada ted je Ronja ready na instalaci. -- Kendy HKFree Martin Kucko napsal(a): > A co proste vyhodit ronju a zacvaknout kabel? Tim bych zacal. > > At 16:07 17.2.2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> Twistery sem prehazoval (mam jeden par navic), tema to nebylo. A to sem >> prohodil oba dva, tedy jel sem na druhej par twisteru s uplne stejnym >> vysledkem. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Kucko" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? >> >> >> Jen pro uplnost. >> Je spoj odskouseny bez ronji? Je to testnuty bez RX a TX (jednoduse >> propojeny twistery)? Co stejnej test z druhyho PC? Deje se to z obou >> stran >> stejne? Nebo zkusit prohodit twistery? >> >> Good luck >> Kucik >> >> At 11:34 17.2.2005 +0100, you wrote: >> >> >Prave ze je vse uz zamontovane v tubusech, uzavrene v >> >krabickach...vzdalenost cca 2m, a paprsky jsou mirne vyosene (vyosil >> sem to >> >tak aby rssi bylo cca 2V), tak abych neprebudil ty vstupni >> tranzistory. Ale >> >ikdyz sem to nastavil na max (jako by byly moduly bez mechaniky u >> sebe - s >> >rssi cca 3.8V) tak zmena zadna vse stejne. >> > >> > >> >Kendy >> >HKfree >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Cipis" >> >To: "Twibright Ronja" >> >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:24 AM >> >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba , vlastnost nebo spatna konzistence ? >> > >> > >> > > jeste dals? vec, jak m?s daleko od sebe c?sti RONJI? predpokl?d?m, >> ze je >> >to >> > > v nejak? testovac? f?zi bez mechaniky a ostatn?ch vec?, tak jestli >> tam >> >nem?s >> > > nejak? rusen?, odrazy, ze kdyz jede jeden smer na plno, tak zarus? >> druh? >> > > smer ... >> > > >> > > Cipis >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Ronja mailing list >> > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Ronja mailing list >> >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Feb 18 09:40:42 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Fri Feb 18 09:40:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Patice na IO References: <421508D7.18002.287B9AC@localhost> Message-ID: <003301c5159d$ea66c6a0$0103450a@thechosen> ja daval do patic v twisterovy jen ty budice koncove a prijimaci. kdyby odesli tak je muzu vymenit lehce. jinak pajeno. obecne patice zhorsuje kontakt a zvysuje impedanci a prodluzuje vzdalenost od blokovaciho kondiku obvodu coz se nekdy muze u zprojevit velkym rusenim. kor u twistra kde jsou HC obvody Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Patice na IO Krom NE592 v primaci to do patic dat muzes. Ale radsi pouzij precizni patice, ale i tak se snizi drasticky spolehlivost zarizeni. Petr > > Ahoj, > podle fotek vid?m, e ne v echny IO jsou vpatic?ch? Bude m?t n jak vliv na funk nost, pokud d?m > do patic v echny v?by? > > Dik > Luky > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0507-3, 17.02.2005 Testovano: 18.2.2005 10:40:44 avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Fri Feb 18 11:34:05 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Fri Feb 18 11:34:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Patice na IO Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Mal??ek > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:40:42 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Patice na IO > > ja daval do patic v twisterovy jen ty budice koncove a prijimaci. kdyby > odesli tak je muzu vymenit lehce. jinak pajeno. obecne patice zhorsuje > kontakt a zvysuje impedanci a prodluzuje vzdalenost od blokovaciho kondiku > obvodu coz se nekdy muze u zprojevit velkym rusenim. kor u twistra kde jsou > HC obvody > momochodem, kdyz mluvime o tom co v tvistrovi je, jakto to vypada s tim xilinxovym twistrem? nebo jak se to vlastne bude jmenovat........???nastal nejaky pokrok od doby kdy to fungovalo i s autoneg. ale udajne hur nez vyborne? .... (aspon si vzpominam ze tak nak to bylo) ... > Glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Seliger" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Patice na IO > > > Krom NE592 v primaci to do patic dat muzes. Ale radsi pouzij precizni > patice, ale i tak > se snizi drasticky spolehlivost zarizeni. > > Petr > > > > > Ahoj, > > podle fotek vid?m, e ne v echny IO jsou vpatic?ch? Bude m?t n jak vliv na > funk nost, pokud d?m > > do patic v echny v?by? > > > > Dik > > Luky > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0507-3, 17.02.2005 > Testovano: 18.2.2005 10:40:44 > avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From anmic at fmg.sk Fri Feb 18 16:06:08 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Fri Feb 18 16:07:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working References: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000301c515d3$df7f45b0$53eb6cc2@anmic> Congratulations! I am glad the off?cial tx pcb is available now. Where could I find a description or a foto of this pcb on the web, please? anMic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working > Hello > > today I have tested a prototype of official Ronja PCB TX and it seems to work > fine. > > I tested with two Q101 transistors in a single RX against an airwire (AW) TX. > > The first one (BF988 or BF982, transistor history unknown) > > RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz > TX PCB 24.4mV 11.7% 1% > TX AW 24.6mV 25.0% 2.9% > > second one (BF998 probably (SMD, no meaningful type designation but I don't > remember buying different SMD MOSFET than BF998), guaranteed static-sensitive > handling) > > RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz dist > TX PCB 64.1mV 18-24% 3-4% 2.25m > TX AW 64.0mV 16-30% 4-6% 2.5m > > >From this measurement it looks like the PCB TX has exactly the same > performance as airwire TX and that the differences are only measurement errors > (in the firt try it looked like PCB is slightly better, in the second like it's > the same with AW). > > Cl< > > > From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 18 18:16:24 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Feb 18 18:15:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working In-Reply-To: <000301c515d3$df7f45b0$53eb6cc2@anmic> References: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> <000301c515d3$df7f45b0$53eb6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050218181624.GA3624@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 05:06:08PM +0100, anMic wrote: > Congratulations! I am glad the off?cial tx pcb is available now. > Where could I find a description or a foto of this pcb on the web, please? It isn't published yet. Cl< From DaMilo at tiscali.cz Sat Feb 19 15:10:55 2005 From: DaMilo at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Dvo=F8=E1k_Milan?=) Date: Sat Feb 19 15:10:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] test? Message-ID: <000f01c51695$35e18f00$666415ac@blackhawk> Zdravim, chci si ujasnit par problemu a vyresit jedem problem, Zapojeny samotny modul TP odebira 175mA, po pripojeni modulu Rx a Tx odebira proud v klidu 370mA.Podle navodu 300mA??? Je to v pohode??? Moduly Rx a Tx jsou verze na DPS v SMD provedeni. DPS jsou od Kohouta. Rx jsem mel v kovove krabicce a po zapojeni se z TP modulu konkretne z tlumivky zacalo kourit :) Z toho vylpiva ze konektor cinch OUT J3 se nesmi dotykat kovove krabicky!!!!!! Druhy Rx vali v pohode a reague na svetlo, ale Rx prvni ne,co tam mohlo odejit??? SFH2030? BF 988?? Chova se totiz skoro stejne jako ten funkcni Rx akorat na test pointu P105 je napeti 1.6V :( Test pointy -hodnoty mam dosahnout jak jsou uvedeny v tabulce??? nebo staci jak je mam uvedeny??? moje hodnoty: funkcni Rx P101= 11V P102= 3.4V P103= 0V-0.1mV P104= 7.4V P105= 5.52V P106= 5.5V P107= 0,7V P108= 10.7V P109= 5.14V P110= 12V ale na zdroji je po odpojeni sestavy 10.2V ??? Jedna vec: mam regulacni trafo co se pouziva na vlacky PIKO FZ1. Kdyz na nem nastavim vystup 12V a zapojim Rx pak na test pointu P101 je napeti kolem 14-15V. Kdyz pak stahnu napeti na trafu pri zapojenym Rx modulu na 12V, odpojim Rx a na trafu je napeti kolem 10V. Je tato funkce v poradku,ze Rx zasiluje napeti.Takze pri 10V odpovidaji test pointy. nefunkcni Rx: P101= 11.44V P102= 3.5V P103= 0V P104= 6.6V P105= 1.6V --jendoznacne je videt ze zde je problem NE592???? P106= 5.46V P107= 0.13V P108= 11V P109= 4.74V P110= 12V ale trafo je nastaveny na 10.2V ????????? diky za odpovedi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050219/47dc9b05/attachment.htm From DaMilo at tiscali.cz Sat Feb 19 16:16:50 2005 From: DaMilo at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Dvo=F8=E1k_Milan?=) Date: Sat Feb 19 16:16:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) Message-ID: <000801c5169e$6b32c3a0$666415ac@blackhawk> Tak zdroj jsem uz vyresil a dal jsem tam klasickej ATX PC zdroj a je na nem furt 12V :) UFF ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050219/2f0766e1/attachment.htm From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Feb 19 16:18:18 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Sat Feb 19 16:18:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] test? Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Dvo??k Milan > Komu: "RONJA" > Datum: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:10:55 +0100 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] test? > > Zdravim, chci si ujasnit par problemu a vyresit jedem problem, > > Zapojeny samotny modul TP odebira 175mA, po pripojeni modulu Rx a Tx odebira proud v klidu 370mA.Podle navodu 300mA??? > > Je to v pohode??? > Moduly Rx a Tx jsou verze na DPS v SMD provedeni. DPS jsou od Kohouta. > > Rx jsem mel v kovove krabicce a po zapojeni se z TP modulu konkretne z tlumivky zacalo kourit :) > Z toho vylpiva ze konektor cinch OUT J3 se nesmi dotykat kovove krabicky!!!!!! > Druhy Rx vali v pohode a reague na svetlo, ale Rx prvni ne,co tam mohlo odejit??? SFH2030? BF 988?? Chova se totiz skoro > > stejne jako ten funkcni Rx akorat na test pointu P105 je napeti 1.6V :( > Test pointy -hodnoty mam dosahnout jak jsou uvedeny v tabulce??? nebo staci jak je mam uvedeny??? > > moje hodnoty: > funkcni Rx > > P101= 11V > P102= 3.4V > P103= 0V-0.1mV > P104= 7.4V > P105= 5.52V > P106= 5.5V > P107= 0,7V > P108= 10.7V > P109= 5.14V > P110= 12V ale na zdroji je po odpojeni sestavy 10.2V ??? > > Jedna vec: mam regulacni trafo co se pouziva na vlacky PIKO FZ1. jesi je to takove to nejznamejsi trafo, kere ma skoro kazdy, s takovou tou sipkou tak na neho ZAPOMEN!!!! kdysi sem ho mel rozebrane a neni tam filtr. je tam jenom muztek a mozna ani to ne, protoze to memi polaritu na kazodou stranu kdyz tocis takze tam je mozna jenom 2 cestny usm. mozna by pomohlo tam pridelat velky kondik. nekolik 1000uF. Kdyz na nem nastavim vystup 12V a zapojim Rx pak na > > test pointu P101 je napeti kolem 14-15V. Kdyz pak stahnu napeti na trafu pri zapojenym Rx modulu na 12V, odpojim Rx a na > > trafu je napeti kolem 10V. Je tato funkce v poradku,ze Rx zasiluje napeti.Takze pri 10V odpovidaji test pointy. > > nefunkcni Rx: > P101= 11.44V > P102= 3.5V > P103= 0V > P104= 6.6V > P105= 1.6V --jendoznacne je videt ze zde je problem NE592???? > P106= 5.46V > P107= 0.13V > P108= 11V > P109= 4.74V > P110= 12V ale trafo je nastaveny na 10.2V ????????? > > diky za odpovedi > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Feb 19 16:32:36 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Sat Feb 19 16:32:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Dvo??k Milan > Komu: "RONJA" > Datum: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:16:50 +0100 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] (no subject) > > Tak zdroj jsem uz vyresil a dal jsem tam klasickej ATX PC zdroj a je na nem furt 12V :) > UFF no to je hned jina pisen :) > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 19 18:24:49 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Feb 19 18:23:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] test? In-Reply-To: <000f01c51695$35e18f00$666415ac@blackhawk> References: <000f01c51695$35e18f00$666415ac@blackhawk> Message-ID: <20050219182449.GB3243@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 04:10:55PM +0100, Dvo??k Milan wrote: > Zdravim, chci si ujasnit par problemu a vyresit jedem problem, > > Zapojeny samotny modul TP odebira 175mA, po pripojeni modulu Rx a Tx odebira proud v klidu 370mA.Podle navodu 300mA??? > > Je to v pohode??? > Moduly Rx a Tx jsou verze na DPS v SMD provedeni. DPS jsou od Kohouta. > > Rx jsem mel v kovove krabicce a po zapojeni se z TP modulu konkretne z tlumivky zacalo kourit :) > Z toho vylpiva ze konektor cinch OUT J3 se nesmi dotykat kovove krabicky!!!!!! > Druhy Rx vali v pohode a reague na svetlo, ale Rx prvni ne,co tam mohlo odejit??? SFH2030? BF 988?? Chova se totiz skoro > > stejne jako ten funkcni Rx akorat na test pointu P105 je napeti 1.6V :( > Test pointy -hodnoty mam dosahnout jak jsou uvedeny v tabulce??? nebo staci jak je mam uvedeny??? > > moje hodnoty: > funkcni Rx > > P101= 11V > P102= 3.4V > P103= 0V-0.1mV > P104= 7.4V > P105= 5.52V > P106= 5.5V > P107= 0,7V > P108= 10.7V > P109= 5.14V > P110= 12V ale na zdroji je po odpojeni sestavy 10.2V ??? > > Jedna vec: mam regulacni trafo co se pouziva na vlacky PIKO FZ1. Kdyz na nem > nastavim vystup 12V a zapojim Rx pak na The guide should say that Twister requires 12V stabilized FZ1 is unstabilized and unfiltered. There are some filtering capacitors in Ronja but it's possible they do not suffice for such task. Cl< From polous at katka.biz Sat Feb 19 19:50:38 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Feb 19 19:50:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working In-Reply-To: <20050217160420.GA7550@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> <4214BE80.5040204@katka.biz> <20050217160420.GA7550@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4217988E.8060606@katka.biz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 04:55:44PM +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > >>Take gratuluji k uspechu, >>a samozrejme se chci zeptat, kdy a za jakych podminek budou pcb >>pripravene k uvolneni ? >> >> > >I have to consolidate the guide somehow, but it will take some time, because >1) Got a broken track here (bad mechanics, corroded electronics, installation >not compliant with the guide) which is having packetloss and need to replace >it so I am making a replacement >2) Don't have time temporarily now anyway but hope to have soon after things >resolve out. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > hi, Can users help you with something to decrate pcb's release date ? p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 19 20:41:45 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Feb 19 20:40:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working In-Reply-To: <4217988E.8060606@katka.biz> References: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> <4214BE80.5040204@katka.biz> <20050217160420.GA7550@beton.cybernet.src> <4217988E.8060606@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050219204145.GA3634@beton.cybernet.src> > > Can users help you with something to decrate pcb's release date ? Sending contributions in advance. However I even don't know what the approximate price will be because haven't calculated it yet :( Cl< From archaopttrx at arcor.de Sun Feb 20 07:44:56 2005 From: archaopttrx at arcor.de (Daniel Berger) Date: Sun Feb 20 07:44:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working In-Reply-To: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <42183FF8.1090304@arcor.de> Karel Kulhavy schrieb: > RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz ^^^^ Excuse me, but I don't understand what 5MHz means in this context. I believed 10BaseT Ethernet was supposed to always have 10MHz maximum frequency. Can someone explain that to me? Yours, Daniel -- But I entered "B:" before "rm -rf *" - only the floppy should have been erased! From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 20 08:07:34 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 20 08:06:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX is working In-Reply-To: <42183FF8.1090304@arcor.de> References: <20050217153209.GA7259@beton.cybernet.src> <42183FF8.1090304@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20050220080734.GA645@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 08:44:56AM +0100, Daniel Berger wrote: > Karel Kulhavy schrieb: > > > RSSI ploss 5MHz ploss 10MHz > ^^^^ > Excuse me, but I don't understand what 5MHz means in this context. > I believed 10BaseT Ethernet was supposed to always have 10MHz > maximum frequency. Can someone explain that to me? Once tested with packets with 10101010 pattern (5MHz) and once with 00000000 pattern (10MHz) Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Feb 20 12:09:25 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Feb 20 12:08:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switch a autonego Message-ID: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> Nenapada nekoho z vas, jak s urcitosti zjistit, na jaky rezim se prepnul switch? Muj xilinxovej twistr uz autonego umi, v nekolika pocitacich uz mam overenu fukci, ale nevim jak zjistit, jestli tomu rozumi switch. Nejaky napad? Jakub Ladman From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 20 13:07:08 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 20 13:05:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Drilling templates ready for release Message-ID: <20050220130708.GA1757@beton.cybernet.src> Hello A bundle of drilling templates has been prepared for release. It contains 13 templates for Ronja Holder and Ronja 10M 130mm Tubular Optical Head. See http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php#ready (EN) http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors_cz.php#ready (CZ) Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun Feb 20 13:38:16 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun Feb 20 13:38:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switch a autonego References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002801c51751$6ea62820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Vyzkouset na svicu, kter? m? signalizaci. Nejak? stars? ovislink, co tu m?m, m? tri ledky na kazd? port - connect, FD a 100Mb. Hmm, ale sto pro to asi tak? nebude .... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: [Ronja] Switch a autonego > Nenapada nekoho z vas, jak s urcitosti zjistit, na jaky rezim se prepnul > switch? Muj xilinxovej twistr uz autonego umi, v nekolika pocitacich uz mam > overenu fukci, ale nevim jak zjistit, jestli tomu rozumi switch. > > Nejaky napad? > Jakub Ladman > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 20 14:07:25 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 20 14:06:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Preliminary cost of PCB TX Message-ID: <20050220140725.GA2028@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Calculations reveal preliminary price of PCB transmitter development to be 10744.42 CZK This is a price that incorporates cost of material and work until now. The final price will be surely higher. What remains to do is fixing up the building guide. The PCB TX is a drop-in replacement for the original airwire TX. You can take the old TX out and screw the new PCB one into place without whatsoever changes to the rest of Ronja. Cl< From schum at seznam.cz Sun Feb 20 15:44:57 2005 From: schum at seznam.cz (Mirek Schumann) Date: Sun Feb 20 15:44:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switch a autonego In-Reply-To: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4218B079.8000603@seznam.cz> Jakub Ladman napsal(a): >Nenapada nekoho z vas, jak s urcitosti zjistit, na jaky rezim se prepnul >switch? Muj xilinxovej twistr uz autonego umi, v nekolika pocitacich uz mam >overenu fukci, ale nevim jak zjistit, jestli tomu rozumi switch. > >Nejaky napad? >Jakub Ladman > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > tak treba switch CANYON CN-D08P nema ledky pro signalizaci FD/HD a 10/100 osazene ale daj se tam doplnit, jeste tam schazi seriove odpory pro ty LEDky Mirek From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 20 16:27:23 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 20 16:25:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi VERZE RONJA PROJEKTU? In-Reply-To: <283.175-30887-1623439754-1108915483@seznam.cz> References: <283.175-30887-1623439754-1108915483@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050220162723.GA2667@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 05:04:43PM +0100, Jarda wrote: > Zdravim. > > Je pekne, ze se porad vylepsuje 10Mbit, ale kdy asi tak priblizne vidite > 100Mbit?? As soon as I manage to get to it. > Nemyslite, ze by bylo lepsi vyvijet 100Mbit RONJU a tu dale vylepsovat?? Better than what? Cl< From jojo at matfyz.cz Sun Feb 20 16:42:06 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sun Feb 20 16:42:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi VERZE RONJA PROJEKTU? In-Reply-To: <20050220162723.GA2667@beton.cybernet.src> References: <283.175-30887-1623439754-1108915483@seznam.cz> <20050220162723.GA2667@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050220164206.GA15642@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On 2005-02-20 16:27 +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 05:04:43PM +0100, Jarda wrote: > > Zdravim. > > > > Je pekne, ze se porad vylepsuje 10Mbit, ale kdy asi tak priblizne vidite > > 100Mbit?? > > As soon as I manage to get to it. > > > Nemyslite, ze by bylo lepsi vyvijet 100Mbit RONJU a tu dale vylepsovat?? > > Better than what? E.g. better than inferno or PCBs for RX/TX. Or is 100Mbit a far much bigger project than those I mentioned? -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 20 17:11:36 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 20 17:10:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi VERZE RONJA PROJEKTU? In-Reply-To: <20050220164206.GA15642@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <283.175-30887-1623439754-1108915483@seznam.cz> <20050220162723.GA2667@beton.cybernet.src> <20050220164206.GA15642@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20050220171136.GA2834@beton.cybernet.src> > > > Nemyslite, ze by bylo lepsi vyvijet 100Mbit RONJU a tu dale vylepsovat?? > > > > Better than what? > > E.g. better than inferno or PCBs for RX/TX. Or is 100Mbit a far much > bigger project than those I mentioned? I don't think developing 100Mbps Ronja instead of Inferno wouldn't be better than developing Inferno. People need PCB's to build Ronja efficiently. The economics of Ronja is horrible. Although the material is cheap, the amount of labour is vast. We need to make PCB's and other changes to press down the manufactuting labour costs and only after that do the 100Mbps development (not mentioning the work that has been done on the laser head and that is actually an already done work on 100Mbps). Cl< From jojo at matfyz.cz Sun Feb 20 17:41:45 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sun Feb 20 17:41:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi VERZE RONJA PROJEKTU? In-Reply-To: <20050220171136.GA2834@beton.cybernet.src> References: <283.175-30887-1623439754-1108915483@seznam.cz> <20050220162723.GA2667@beton.cybernet.src> <20050220164206.GA15642@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <20050220171136.GA2834@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050220174145.GA32313@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > > > > Nemyslite, ze by bylo lepsi vyvijet 100Mbit RONJU a tu dale vylepsovat?? > > > > > > Better than what? > > > > E.g. better than inferno or PCBs for RX/TX. Or is 100Mbit a far much > > bigger project than those I mentioned? > > I don't think developing 100Mbps Ronja instead of Inferno wouldn't be better > than developing Inferno. Sorry I don't get this one... did you mean? : I don't think developing 100Mbps Ronja instead of Inferno would be better than developing Inferno. > People need PCB's to build Ronja efficiently. > > The economics of Ronja is horrible. Although the material is cheap, the > amount of labour is vast. We need to make PCB's and other changes to press > down the manufactuting labour costs and only after that do the 100Mbps > development (not mentioning the work that has been done on the laser head > and that is actually an already done work on 100Mbps). But the PCBs will need to be remade (from scratch?) for 100Mbps, won't they? Or PCBs for TX/RX will remain unchanged for 100Mbps? Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining at all. I'm content with both present status of Ronja project, and the way Ronja is beeing developed. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 20 17:55:02 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 20 17:53:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi VERZE RONJA PROJEKTU? In-Reply-To: <20050220174145.GA32313@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <283.175-30887-1623439754-1108915483@seznam.cz> <20050220162723.GA2667@beton.cybernet.src> <20050220164206.GA15642@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <20050220171136.GA2834@beton.cybernet.src> <20050220174145.GA32313@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20050220175502.GA3000@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 06:41:45PM +0100, Marian Cerny wrote: > > > > > Nemyslite, ze by bylo lepsi vyvijet 100Mbit RONJU a tu dale vylepsovat?? > > > > > > > > Better than what? > > > > > > E.g. better than inferno or PCBs for RX/TX. Or is 100Mbit a far much > > > bigger project than those I mentioned? > > > > I don't think developing 100Mbps Ronja instead of Inferno wouldn't be better > > than developing Inferno. > > Sorry I don't get this one... did you mean? : > > I don't think developing 100Mbps Ronja instead of Inferno > would be better than developing Inferno. Yes. Sorry. Cl< > > > People need PCB's to build Ronja efficiently. > > > > The economics of Ronja is horrible. Although the material is cheap, the > > amount of labour is vast. We need to make PCB's and other changes to press > > down the manufactuting labour costs and only after that do the 100Mbps > > development (not mentioning the work that has been done on the laser head > > and that is actually an already done work on 100Mbps). > > But the PCBs will need to be remade (from scratch?) for 100Mbps, won't > they? Or PCBs for TX/RX will remain unchanged for 100Mbps? > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining at all. I'm content with both > present status of Ronja project, and the way Ronja is beeing developed. > > -- > Marian Cerny > Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz > > [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 20 17:56:02 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 20 17:54:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi VERZE RONJA PROJEKTU? In-Reply-To: <20050220174145.GA32313@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <283.175-30887-1623439754-1108915483@seznam.cz> <20050220162723.GA2667@beton.cybernet.src> <20050220164206.GA15642@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <20050220171136.GA2834@beton.cybernet.src> <20050220174145.GA32313@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20050220175602.GB3000@beton.cybernet.src> > But the PCBs will need to be remade (from scratch?) for 100Mbps, won't > they? Or PCBs for TX/RX will remain unchanged for 100Mbps? Yes they will have to be remade from scratch. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Feb 20 18:31:59 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Feb 20 18:32:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi VERZE RONJA PROJEKTU? In-Reply-To: <20050220174145.GA32313@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <283.175-30887-1623439754-1108915483@seznam.cz> <20050220171136.GA2834@beton.cybernet.src> <20050220174145.GA32313@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <200502201931.59518.ladmanj@volny.cz> 100Mbps ronja will never be a 100% replacement for 10Mbps version, because it can not be used on so long range links as 10M. Energy of pulse is much smaller at 100Mbps than in 10Mbps I thing that 100M ronja will not be compatible with 10M (at the optics side), maybe Clock corrects me. Also it can not be constructed with ordinary cheap parts. Ten megabit version is (and will be) still perspective . Jakub Ladman On Sunday 20 February 2005 18:41, Marian Cerny wrote: > > > > > Nemyslite, ze by bylo lepsi vyvijet 100Mbit RONJU a tu dale > > > > > vylepsovat?? > > > > > > > > Better than what? > > > > > > E.g. better than inferno or PCBs for RX/TX. Or is 100Mbit a far much > > > bigger project than those I mentioned? > > > > I don't think developing 100Mbps Ronja instead of Inferno wouldn't be > > better than developing Inferno. > > Sorry I don't get this one... did you mean? : > > I don't think developing 100Mbps Ronja instead of Inferno > would be better than developing Inferno. > > > People need PCB's to build Ronja efficiently. > > > > The economics of Ronja is horrible. Although the material is cheap, the > > amount of labour is vast. We need to make PCB's and other changes to > > press down the manufactuting labour costs and only after that do the > > 100Mbps development (not mentioning the work that has been done on the > > laser head and that is actually an already done work on 100Mbps). > > But the PCBs will need to be remade (from scratch?) for 100Mbps, won't > they? Or PCBs for TX/RX will remain unchanged for 100Mbps? > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining at all. I'm content with both > present status of Ronja project, and the way Ronja is beeing developed. From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 20 19:28:16 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 20 19:26:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi VERZE RONJA PROJEKTU? In-Reply-To: <200502201931.59518.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <283.175-30887-1623439754-1108915483@seznam.cz> <20050220171136.GA2834@beton.cybernet.src> <20050220174145.GA32313@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <200502201931.59518.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050220192816.GB3465@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 07:31:59PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > 100Mbps ronja will never be a 100% replacement for 10Mbps version, because it > can not be used on so long range links as 10M. > Energy of pulse is much smaller at 100Mbps than in 10Mbps > I thing that 100M ronja will not be compatible with 10M (at the optics side), > maybe Clock corrects me. Don't know. The TX optics and mechanics will be different (probably). Don't know about the RX side, though. Cl< > Also it can not be constructed with ordinary cheap parts. > Ten megabit version is (and will be) still perspective . > Jakub Ladman From kendy at hkfree.org Sun Feb 20 23:35:25 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Sun Feb 20 23:35:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switch a autonego In-Reply-To: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <42191EBD.9070001@hkfree.org> A co to otestovat prenosem dat ? Kdyz na jedne strane nastavis natvrdo FD (treba Twister do sitovky), tak pri nastavenem HD na strane druhe to nebude prenaset obema smery 10mbit /sec Viz moje nedavne vlakno o tom jak sem schorel na obyc switchi Edimax vs HD a FD. -- Kendy HKFree Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > Nenapada nekoho z vas, jak s urcitosti zjistit, na jaky rezim se prepnul > switch? Muj xilinxovej twistr uz autonego umi, v nekolika pocitacich uz mam > overenu fukci, ale nevim jak zjistit, jestli tomu rozumi switch. > > Nejaky napad? > Jakub Ladman > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Feb 21 07:16:25 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Feb 21 07:16:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switch a autonego In-Reply-To: <42191EBD.9070001@hkfree.org> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> <42191EBD.9070001@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <200502210816.25204.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Monday 21 February 2005 00:35, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > A co to otestovat prenosem dat ? > > Kdyz na jedne strane nastavis natvrdo FD (treba Twister do sitovky), tak > pri nastavenem HD na strane druhe to nebude prenaset obema smery 10mbit > /sec Viz moje nedavne vlakno o tom jak sem schorel na obyc switchi Edimax > vs HD a FD. No prave o to mi jde, jaky zvolit postup (data v ramdisku atd.) abych do testovani co nejmene zanasel chybu danou pomalosti disku atd. Kdyz jsem zkousel posilat scpkem zaroven data tam i zpatky, tak se to projevovalo, stejne jak to tu nekdo popisoval s tim managovatelnym switchem. Pokud jel jen jeden ze smeru, jelo to rychlosti okolo 1.2Mbyte/s, pokud oba smery soucasne, rozlozilo se to nerovnomerne v pomeru asi 20:80 (ale mozna kecam, nepamatuju si to presne). Vim ze scp neni to prave, protoze diky sifrovani zatezuje pro tyto ucely nadmiru procesor. Nevim jaky je rozdil ve vypocetni narocnosti mezi sifrovanim a desifrovanim. Ale pokud je znatelny, bylo by to moznym vysvetlenim, protoze jeden stroj je celeron II 400MHz (kisna) a druhy celeron 4 1800MHz (notebook) V obou pripadech gentoo linux a realtek sitovka. Jakub Ladman PS: Ftp tam bohuzel nemam rozjety, protoze jsem zatim nepochopil jak se proftpd konfiguruje. From kendy at hkfree.org Mon Feb 21 07:23:29 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Mon Feb 21 07:23:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switch a autonego In-Reply-To: <200502210816.25204.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> <42191EBD.9070001@hkfree.org> <200502210816.25204.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <42198C71.1050602@hkfree.org> Ano to s tim SCP mas pravdu, take pri mych prvnich testech sem to zkusil, ale uz to nepouzivam. "Rychle" sprovozneni Proftp: poedituj /etc/proftpd.conf a v prvnich radkach najdes neco podobneho: ServerName "D-Network FTP server" ServerType standalone #ServerType inetd DefaultServer on Zmen ServerType na standalone, a spust ho pomoci proftpd. Pak pro prenosy pouzivej ucet nektereho z uzivatelu na srotu / pripadne zaloz novy ucet (akorat nepouzivej jmena ftp a anonymous). (Nerikam ze to je nejaky super navod, ktery spusti proftpd v optimalni konfiguraci, ale jako rychlovka na testovani ronji bude dostacovat) -- Kendy HKfree Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > On Monday 21 February 2005 00:35, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > >>A co to otestovat prenosem dat ? >> >>Kdyz na jedne strane nastavis natvrdo FD (treba Twister do sitovky), tak >>pri nastavenem HD na strane druhe to nebude prenaset obema smery 10mbit >>/sec Viz moje nedavne vlakno o tom jak sem schorel na obyc switchi Edimax >>vs HD a FD. > > No prave o to mi jde, jaky zvolit postup (data v ramdisku atd.) abych do > testovani co nejmene zanasel chybu danou pomalosti disku atd. > > Kdyz jsem zkousel posilat scpkem zaroven data tam i zpatky, tak se to > projevovalo, stejne jak to tu nekdo popisoval s tim managovatelnym switchem. > Pokud jel jen jeden ze smeru, jelo to rychlosti okolo 1.2Mbyte/s, pokud oba > smery soucasne, rozlozilo se to nerovnomerne v pomeru asi 20:80 (ale mozna > kecam, nepamatuju si to presne). > Vim ze scp neni to prave, protoze diky sifrovani zatezuje pro tyto ucely > nadmiru procesor. Nevim jaky je rozdil ve vypocetni narocnosti mezi > sifrovanim a desifrovanim. Ale pokud je znatelny, bylo by to moznym > vysvetlenim, protoze jeden stroj je celeron II 400MHz (kisna) a druhy celeron > 4 1800MHz (notebook) V obou pripadech gentoo linux a realtek sitovka. > > Jakub Ladman > > PS: Ftp tam bohuzel nemam rozjety, protoze jsem zatim nepochopil jak se > proftpd konfiguruje. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Mon Feb 21 12:00:03 2005 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Mon Feb 21 12:00:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switch a autonego In-Reply-To: <200502210816.25204.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> <42191EBD.9070001@hkfree.org> <200502210816.25204.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4219CD43.9090504@tiscali.cz> Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Monday 21 February 2005 00:35, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > >>A co to otestovat prenosem dat ? >> >>Kdyz na jedne strane nastavis natvrdo FD (treba Twister do sitovky), tak >>pri nastavenem HD na strane druhe to nebude prenaset obema smery 10mbit >>/sec Viz moje nedavne vlakno o tom jak sem schorel na obyc switchi Edimax >>vs HD a FD. > > No prave o to mi jde, jaky zvolit postup (data v ramdisku atd.) abych do > testovani co nejmene zanasel chybu danou pomalosti disku atd. > > Kdyz jsem zkousel posilat scpkem zaroven data tam i zpatky, tak se to > projevovalo, stejne jak to tu nekdo popisoval s tim managovatelnym switchem. > Pokud jel jen jeden ze smeru, jelo to rychlosti okolo 1.2Mbyte/s, pokud oba > smery soucasne, rozlozilo se to nerovnomerne v pomeru asi 20:80 (ale mozna > kecam, nepamatuju si to presne). > Vim ze scp neni to prave, protoze diky sifrovani zatezuje pro tyto ucely > nadmiru procesor. Nevim jaky je rozdil ve vypocetni narocnosti mezi > sifrovanim a desifrovanim. Ale pokud je znatelny, bylo by to moznym > vysvetlenim, protoze jeden stroj je celeron II 400MHz (kisna) a druhy celeron > 4 1800MHz (notebook) V obou pripadech gentoo linux a realtek sitovka. > > Jakub Ladman Zkus treba ttcp (emerge ttcp), a pouzit UDP, coz by melo eliminovat vliv hdd a cpu. Na jednom (reciever) pocitaci se spusti ttcp -rus a na druhem (transmitter) ttcp -tus 127.0.0.1 Mimochodem autor ttcp taky napsal ping. http://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/ http://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/ttcp.html Martin From Lubos.m at seznam.cz Mon Feb 21 18:53:41 2005 From: Lubos.m at seznam.cz (Lubos.m) Date: Mon Feb 21 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switch a autonego In-Reply-To: <42191EBD.9070001@hkfree.org> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> <42191EBD.9070001@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <1072481918.20050221195341@seznam.cz> A co nejdrive otestovat jak se chovaji prenosy s twistrama zapojenejma rovnou do sitovek v pocitacich a pak na jedny strane vlozit mezi sitovku a twistera ten switch? Pokud se switch prepne spravne na FD, nemela by se situace nijak rapidne zmenit... Pak je ale vhodny nastavit na sitovce 10Mbit FD natvrdo, aby si sitovka nevyjednala se switchem 100Mbit. To by mohlo prenos ovlivnit. Drive zminovane switche s (LED) detekci HD/FD, 10/100 povazuju za spolehlive reseni, kdyz je ovsem sezenes. hodne zdaru Lubos Majner www.Touskov.NET Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > Nenapada nekoho z vas, jak s urcitosti zjistit, na jaky rezim se prepnul > switch? Muj xilinxovej twistr uz autonego umi, v nekolika pocitacich uz mam > overenu fukci, ale nevim jak zjistit, jestli tomu rozumi switch. > > Nejaky napad? > Jakub Ladman From anmic at fmg.sk Mon Feb 21 19:42:19 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Mon Feb 21 19:43:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000301c5184d$8fe4eba0$ceec6cc2@anmic> Is here any way (e.g. inner electronics modification) to suppress auto-negotation function of small cheap unmanagable desktop switch and to force it to work 10Mbps full duplex? It would be appropriate solution for Ronja Twister connection. Thank you for your answers anMic > Nenapada nekoho z vas, jak s urcitosti zjistit, na jaky rezim se prepnul > switch? Muj xilinxovej twistr uz autonego umi, v nekolika pocitacich uz mam > overenu fukci, ale nevim jak zjistit, jestli tomu rozumi switch. > > Nejaky napad? > Jakub Ladman > > > From sith at wifistar.net Mon Feb 21 19:46:09 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Feb 21 19:46:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? In-Reply-To: <000301c5184d$8fe4eba0$ceec6cc2@anmic> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000301c5184d$8fe4eba0$ceec6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <421A3A81.60500@wifistar.net> If it is possible, why are not cheap switches abled to support switching FD mode from manufacturer? ;-) anMic napsal(a): > Is here any way (e.g. inner electronics modification) to suppress > auto-negotation function of small cheap unmanagable desktop switch and to > force it to work 10Mbps full duplex? It would be appropriate solution for > Ronja Twister connection. > > Thank you for your answers > anMic > > > >>Nenapada nekoho z vas, jak s urcitosti zjistit, na jaky rezim se prepnul >>switch? Muj xilinxovej twistr uz autonego umi, v nekolika pocitacich uz > > mam > >>overenu fukci, ale nevim jak zjistit, jestli tomu rozumi switch. >> >>Nejaky napad? >>Jakub Ladman >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Feb 21 21:14:05 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Mon Feb 21 21:14:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? In-Reply-To: <421A3A81.60500@wifistar.net> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000301c5184d$8fe4eba0$ceec6cc2@anmic> <421A3A81.60500@wifistar.net> Message-ID: <20050221211404.GB20243@feanor> > anMic napsal(a): > >Is here any way (e.g. inner electronics modification) to suppress > >auto-negotation function of small cheap unmanagable desktop switch and to > >force it to work 10Mbps full duplex? It would be appropriate solution for > >Ronja Twister connection. If small cheap unmanagable desktop switch has smart enough chip (for example ADM 6999, which is often used in s.c.u.d. switches) then soldering eeprom with configuration data to corect pins of that chip should be enough. On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 08:46:09PM +0100, David Sedl??ek wrote: > If it is possible, why are not cheap switches abled to support switching > FD mode from manufacturer? ;-) To be able to sell more expensive versions? ;-) -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Feb 21 21:18:22 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Feb 21 21:18:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz><000301c5184d$8fe4eba0$ceec6cc2@anmic> <421A3A81.60500@wifistar.net> Message-ID: <001501c5185a$e0131f40$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> levn? svi?e v?t?inou na??taj? svoji konfiguraci z eepromky modifikac? t?chto dat by nem?l b?t probl?m nastavit ten svi? na pat?i?n? hodnoty v 5 nebo 8 portov?ch svi??ch b?vaj? RTL8305SB nebo RTL8309SB bohu?el jsem zat?m neukecal nikoho, kdo by se na to mrknul a p?eprogramoval to v?robci to ned?laj? z toho d?vodu, proto?e ti rad?i prodaj? 10x svi?, kter? je managed ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedl??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? If it is possible, why are not cheap switches abled to support switching FD mode from manufacturer? ;-) anMic napsal(a): > Is here any way (e.g. inner electronics modification) to suppress > auto-negotation function of small cheap unmanagable desktop switch and to > force it to work 10Mbps full duplex? It would be appropriate solution for > Ronja Twister connection. > > Thank you for your answers > anMic > > > >>Nenapada nekoho z vas, jak s urcitosti zjistit, na jaky rezim se prepnul >>switch? Muj xilinxovej twistr uz autonego umi, v nekolika pocitacich uz > > mam > >>overenu fukci, ale nevim jak zjistit, jestli tomu rozumi switch. >> >>Nejaky napad? >>Jakub Ladman >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sith at wifistar.net Mon Feb 21 21:26:03 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Feb 21 21:26:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? In-Reply-To: <20050221211404.GB20243@feanor> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000301c5184d$8fe4eba0$ceec6cc2@anmic> <421A3A81.60500@wifistar.net> <20050221211404.GB20243@feanor> Message-ID: <421A51EB.3030009@wifistar.net> Ondrej Zajicek napsal(a): >>anMic napsal(a): >> >>>Is here any way (e.g. inner electronics modification) to suppress >>>auto-negotation function of small cheap unmanagable desktop switch and to >>>force it to work 10Mbps full duplex? It would be appropriate solution for >>>Ronja Twister connection. > > > If small cheap unmanagable desktop switch has smart enough chip (for example > ADM 6999, which is often used in s.c.u.d. switches) then soldering eeprom with > configuration data to corect pins of that chip should be enough. Really? Didn't know.. Is there any way to get this data? ie some hacked stuff. > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 08:46:09PM +0100, David Sedl??ek wrote: > >>If it is possible, why are not cheap switches abled to support switching >>FD mode from manufacturer? ;-) > > > To be able to sell more expensive versions? ;-) > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From polous at katka.biz Mon Feb 21 21:31:03 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Feb 21 21:31:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? In-Reply-To: <001501c5185a$e0131f40$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz><000301c5184d$8fe4eba0$ceec6cc2@anmic> <421A3A81.60500@wifistar.net> <001501c5185a$e0131f40$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <421A5317.9000204@katka.biz> Cipis wrote: >v?robci to ned?laj? z toho d?vodu, proto?e ti rad?i prodaj? 10x svi?, kter? >je managed ... > >Cipis > > Taky asi proto, ze obecne neni po malych manag. sw. takova poptavka a tak se jim nevyplati se tim zabyvat. p0l0us From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Feb 21 21:33:06 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Mon Feb 21 21:33:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? In-Reply-To: <421A51EB.3030009@wifistar.net> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000301c5184d$8fe4eba0$ceec6cc2@anmic> <421A3A81.60500@wifistar.net> <20050221211404.GB20243@feanor> <421A51EB.3030009@wifistar.net> Message-ID: <20050221213306.GA20497@feanor> On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 10:26:03PM +0100, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Ondrej Zajicek napsal(a): > >>anMic napsal(a): > >> > >>>Is here any way (e.g. inner electronics modification) to suppress > >>>auto-negotation function of small cheap unmanagable desktop switch and to > >>>force it to work 10Mbps full duplex? It would be appropriate solution for > >>>Ronja Twister connection. > > > > > >If small cheap unmanagable desktop switch has smart enough chip (for > >example > >ADM 6999, which is often used in s.c.u.d. switches) then soldering eeprom > >with > >configuration data to corect pins of that chip should be enough. > Really? Didn't know.. Is there any way to get this data? ie some hacked > stuff. Datasheet for ADM 6999 can be downloaded from: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~zajio1am/adm6999.pdf In this datasheet there is specification of format of configuration data. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Feb 21 22:33:55 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Feb 21 22:34:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? In-Reply-To: <20050221213306.GA20497@feanor> References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz> <421A51EB.3030009@wifistar.net> <20050221213306.GA20497@feanor> Message-ID: <200502212333.55299.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Datasheet for ADM 6999 can be downloaded from: > http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~zajio1am/adm6999.pdf > In this datasheet there is specification of format of configuration data. Jeste jsem se tam nestihl podivat ale pokud by se ten chip dal nejak trochu rozumne sehnat, byla by docela prdel ho pouzit do novyho navrhu, twistera integrovanyho se switchem, dejme tomu ctyri porty normalni a paty uz jako dva konektory na koaxy. Eepromkou by se ten jeden port nastavil natvrdo na 10FD a ostatni by se nechaly auto. Bylo by to vtipne. Jakub Ladman From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Feb 21 23:03:17 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Feb 21 23:03:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz><421A51EB.3030009@wifistar.net> <20050221213306.GA20497@feanor> <200502212333.55299.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <001b01c51869$87dd7f00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Koukal jsem na toho 5 port realteka a zd? se, ?e si to na??t? konfiguraci prvn? z n?kter?ch pin? (kter? po dob?hnut? inicializace slou?? jako LEDky a dal??) a pak teprve z registr?. A? bude ?as, tak se zkus?m mrknout, jestli ty spr?vn? piny vedou aspo? na ty ledky, aby se dalo rozumn? p?jet :-). Jinak t?ch 5 port? se d? nastavit jako dv? skupiny (jde i 1+4) a pak t? kter? skupin? nastavit rychlost. Tak?e jeden port pro ronju a zbyl? dle pot?eby :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? > > Datasheet for ADM 6999 can be downloaded from: > > http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~zajio1am/adm6999.pdf > > In this datasheet there is specification of format of configuration data. > Jeste jsem se tam nestihl podivat ale pokud by se ten chip dal nejak trochu > rozumne sehnat, byla by docela prdel ho pouzit do novyho navrhu, twistera > integrovanyho se switchem, dejme tomu ctyri porty normalni a paty uz jako dva > konektory na koaxy. Eepromkou by se ten jeden port nastavil natvrdo na 10FD a > ostatni by se nechaly auto. Bylo by to vtipne. > Jakub Ladman > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 15:50:35 2005 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Tue Feb 22 15:50:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] L-SLD6510A ,10mW laser diode request... Message-ID: <20050222155036.97041.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> anyone can help me in buying L-SLD6510A,10mW laser dideo from.www.gme.cz? in my country i can't find these laser diodes. i want 4-6 pieces..to buy.... anyway..tks... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 22 16:22:52 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 22 16:21:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB under Window$ Message-ID: <20050222162252.GA5839@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I managed to install PCB http://pcb.sourceforge.net on M$ Window$ successfully and simply. First I installed Cygwin and clicked up bunch of reasonable options (X, gcc, GNU Make, and lots more) Then I downloaded the source from the PCB official webpage and did ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install Then I started Cygwin, typed "startx" (this started X Window System) with another commandline shell, and then I just typed "pcb twister.pcb" and could edit the PCB. Does anyone has experience with PCB on Windows? Has anyone experienced any problems during that? It's a 800MHz notebook and it's rather slow (due to the CPU speed, cygwin/Windows inefficiency and also I suspect PCB from being written poorly froom speed point of view). Cl< From anmic at fmg.sk Tue Feb 22 17:52:30 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Tue Feb 22 17:54:03 2005 Subject: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz><421A51EB.3030009@wifistar.net><20050221213306.GA20497@feanor><200502212333.55299.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001b01c51869$87dd7f00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <004f01c51907$7b0f6880$dcec6cc2@anmic> > Koukal jsem na toho 5 port realteka a zd? se, ?e si to na??t? konfiguraci > prvn? z n?kter?ch pin? (kter? po dob?hnut? inicializace slou?? jako LEDky a > dal??) a pak teprve z registr?. > A? bude ?as, tak se zkus?m mrknout, jestli ty spr?vn? piny vedou aspo? na ty > ledky, aby se dalo rozumn? p?jet :-). > Jinak t?ch 5 port? se d? nastavit jako dv? skupiny (jde i 1+4) a pak t? > kter? skupin? nastavit rychlost. > Tak?e jeden port pro ronju a zbyl? dle pot?eby :-) > > Cipis I've found cheap 5 port switch at czechcomputer.cz (Edimax Switch ES-3105P 5 port, datasheet at: http://www.edimax.com.tw/download/datasheet/ES-31xxP.pdf) Do you think this switch is suitable for modification you mentioned? Thanks, anMic From anmic at fmg.sk Tue Feb 22 17:52:44 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Tue Feb 22 17:54:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] How to force unmanagable switch to FullDuplex? References: <200502201309.26153.ladmanj@volny.cz><421A51EB.3030009@wifistar.net> <20050221213306.GA20497@feanor> <200502212333.55299.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <005001c51907$7f287330$dcec6cc2@anmic> > Jeste jsem se tam nestihl podivat ale pokud by se ten chip dal nejak trochu > rozumne sehnat, byla by docela prdel ho pouzit do novyho navrhu, twistera > integrovanyho se switchem, dejme tomu ctyri porty normalni a paty uz jako dva > konektory na koaxy. Eepromkou by se ten jeden port nastavil natvrdo na 10FD a > ostatni by se nechaly auto. Bylo by to vtipne. > Jakub Ladman > It seems to be simple but very good idea. It would be good solution for some situations, e.g.: Ronja is faraway from router - you'd be able to use standard UTP cable up to 100 m and this "switch-twister" on the other end so Ronja would be able to work FD. anMic From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 22 18:16:53 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 22 18:15:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Step-by-step: PCB under Windows Message-ID: <20050222181653.GA6216@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have created a guide for dummies with pictures for PCB under Windows: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/PCBUnderWindows Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 22 18:17:44 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Feb 22 18:16:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: ronja twister In-Reply-To: <000001c51902$dfb53170$0100a8c0@A030835A> References: <000001c51902$dfb53170$0100a8c0@A030835A> Message-ID: <20050222181744.GB6216@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 02:38:47PM +0100, slint wrote: > Zdravim. > > Mohol by som ta poziadat keby si mi zaslal dokumentaci pre vyrobu plosneho > spoje pre ronju twister?. (potreboval by som to z vyexportovat na > vrtacku,atd.) http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/pcb.php Cl< > > Vopred pekne dakujem. > > From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Wed Feb 23 09:36:17 2005 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Wed Feb 23 09:36:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: How to force unmanagable switch to full duplex Message-ID: Or, you can build interface which supports autonegotiation ;) So you do not need to force anything... s. From kendy at hkfree.org Wed Feb 23 11:01:53 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Wed Feb 23 11:00:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: How to force unmanagable switch to full duplex References: Message-ID: <005001c51997$15756b60$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> And your interface is working (autonego) ??? Kendy HKfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvije" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:36 AM Subject: [Ronja] Re: How to force unmanagable switch to full duplex > > > Or, you can build interface which supports autonegotiation ;) > So you do not need to force anything... > > s. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Wed Feb 23 11:06:11 2005 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Wed Feb 23 11:06:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: How to force unmanagable switch to full duplex Message-ID: >And your interface is working(autonego) ??? yes. s. From kendy at hkfree.org Wed Feb 23 12:57:43 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Wed Feb 23 12:56:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: How to force unmanagable switch to full duplex References: Message-ID: <00aa01c519a7$46d4a120$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Kdo to stavel na tom univerzalu ? Co se treba zeptat primo autora (Silvije) treba by poradil nejaky hint. Pokud by sme ten silvijin iface rozbehli, tak nebude treba delat jakekoliv harakiri uvnitr switchu. Zkusis mu napsat ? Kendy HKFre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvije" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: [Ronja] Re: How to force unmanagable switch to full duplex > > >And your interface is working(autonego) ??? > > yes. > > s. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Wed Feb 23 13:28:52 2005 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Wed Feb 23 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RE: How to force... Message-ID: Kendy, that interface cannot be tested on prototyping board, you have to solder it... s. From kendy at hkfree.org Wed Feb 23 13:51:25 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Wed Feb 23 13:49:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RE: How to force... References: Message-ID: <011401c519ae$c480b3a0$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Yes, that i mean. I begin develop board, but when my college (sry ze te nazyvam kolegou ikdyz nejsi , nebo vlastne jsi, doufam ze se neurazis, kdyz se ani nezname :-) ) make your iface on prototyp. board, AutoNego don't work. In this time i stopped develop regular board. Ok, now i continue under develop regular board. -- Kendy HKFree PS: Sry za tu prisernou anglictinu, ale lip to neumim :))) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvije" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:28 PM Subject: [Ronja] RE: How to force... > > Kendy, > that interface cannot be tested on prototyping board, > you have to solder it... > > s. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Wed Feb 23 14:00:45 2005 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Wed Feb 23 14:00:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RE: How to force... Message-ID: TO Kendy: your english is fine, I know a little of czech ;) maybe your college forgot to programm tiny15 IC, you cannot just solder it, first you have to programm it, and it cannot work on prototyping board.. s. From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Feb 23 14:55:00 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Feb 23 14:55:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] prenos clanku Message-ID: mam problemy s twistrem. neprijima. neblikne ani ledka. jinak jumpry atp jsou dobre, loopback jede, ale jenom pri jumprech, pri spojeni rx a Tx ne. udelal sem si generator ze stare sitovky + sem to zrizil s Heztzem a leze z toho 10MHz. za 26ls32 na pinu 5 je jakysi 10MHz prubeh. neni nijak krasny ale je. dostal jsem se az na pin2 U52 (74hc14) kde se este nachazi 10MHz prubeh. neproleze ale pres ten derivator co tam je (C65 a R52). je to spravne? no, proleze ale s obrovskym utlumem. predpokladam ze to funguje tak, ze prijima-li twister 10MHz signal, ledka sviti. nebo blikne. to mi nedela. .....hodnoty odporu i C jsou spravne, kde muze byt chyba?dik From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Feb 23 15:43:02 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Feb 23 15:43:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: prenos clanku Message-ID: tak uz sem na to prisel. bylo to kondikem, ale musel sem dat misto 22p 33pF. s tema 33p to jede uplne super. zatim teda zkouseno na loopback.jak s tx a rx este nevim. odpory mam dobre, tak nevim, jestli tak veka tolerance..... ale uz to jede :) .... neby myslite ze tech 33p muze necemu vadit? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Jakub Michn?k" > Komu: > Datum: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:55:00 +0100 > P?edm?t: prenos clanku > > mam problemy s twistrem. neprijima. neblikne ani ledka. jinak jumpry atp jsou dobre, loopback jede, ale jenom pri jumprech, pri spojeni rx a Tx ne. udelal sem si generator ze stare sitovky + sem to zrizil s Heztzem a leze z toho 10MHz. za 26ls32 na pinu 5 je jakysi 10MHz prubeh. neni nijak krasny ale je. dostal jsem se az na pin2 U52 (74hc14) kde se este nachazi 10MHz prubeh. neproleze ale pres ten derivator co tam je (C65 a R52). je to spravne? no, proleze ale s obrovskym utlumem. predpokladam ze to funguje tak, ze prijima-li twister 10MHz signal, ledka sviti. nebo blikne. to mi nedela. .....hodnoty odporu i C jsou spravne, kde muze byt chyba?dik From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 23 16:13:11 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Feb 23 16:11:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: prenos clanku In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050223161311.GA9245@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 04:43:02PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > tak uz sem na to prisel. bylo to kondikem, ale musel sem dat misto 22p 33pF. s tema 33p to jede uplne super. zatim teda zkouseno na loopback.jak s tx a rx este nevim. odpory mam dobre, tak nevim, jestli tak veka tolerance..... ale uz to jede :) .... neby myslite ze tech 33p muze necemu vadit? > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: "Jakub Michn?k" > > Komu: > > Datum: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:55:00 +0100 > > P?edm?t: prenos clanku > > > > mam problemy s twistrem. neprijima. neblikne ani ledka. jinak jumpry atp > > jsou dobre, loopback jede, ale jenom pri jumprech, pri spojeni rx a Tx ne. > > udelal sem si generator ze stare sitovky + sem to zrizil s Heztzem a leze z > > toho 10MHz. za 26ls32 na pinu 5 je jakysi 10MHz prubeh. neni nijak krasny > > ale je. dostal jsem se az na pin2 U52 (74hc14) kde se este nachazi 10MHz > > prubeh. neproleze ale pres ten derivator co tam je (C65 a R52). je to > > spravne? no, proleze ale s obrovskym utlumem. predpokladam ze to funguje > > tak, ze prijima-li twister 10MHz signal, ledka sviti. nebo blikne. to mi > > nedela. .....hodnoty odporu i C jsou spravne, kde muze byt chyba?dik Did you build it exactly according to the guide? Is it possible to take the soldered out 22pF capacitor and measure it if it really has 22p (and not 0 or infinity)? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 23 16:22:14 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Feb 23 16:20:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] prenos clanku In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050223162214.GB9245@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 03:55:00PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > mam problemy s twistrem. neprijima. neblikne ani ledka. jinak jumpry atp jsou > dobre, loopback jede, ale jenom pri jumprech, pri spojeni rx a Tx ne. udelal > sem si generator ze stare sitovky + sem to zrizil s Heztzem a leze z toho > 10MHz. za 26ls32 na pinu 5 je jakysi 10MHz prubeh. neni nijak krasny ale je. > dostal jsem se az na pin2 U52 (74hc14) kde se este nachazi 10MHz prubeh. > neproleze ale pres ten derivator co tam je (C65 a R52). je to spravne? no, Then the C65 is broken - connection severed inside. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Feb 23 16:36:44 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Feb 23 16:36:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] prenos clanku In-Reply-To: <20050223162214.GB9245@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050223162214.GB9245@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200502231736.45229.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Wednesday 23 February 2005 17:22, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 03:55:00PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > mam problemy s twistrem. neprijima. neblikne ani ledka. jinak jumpry atp > > jsou dobre, loopback jede, ale jenom pri jumprech, pri spojeni rx a Tx > > ne. udelal sem si generator ze stare sitovky + sem to zrizil s Heztzem a > > leze z toho 10MHz. za 26ls32 na pinu 5 je jakysi 10MHz prubeh. neni nijak > > krasny ale je. dostal jsem se az na pin2 U52 (74hc14) kde se este nachazi > > 10MHz prubeh. neproleze ale pres ten derivator co tam je (C65 a R52). je > > to spravne? no, > > Then the C65 is broken - connection severed inside. Or R52s resistance is much smaller Jakub > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 23 17:02:48 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Feb 23 17:01:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] prenos clanku In-Reply-To: <200502231736.45229.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20050223162214.GB9245@beton.cybernet.src> <200502231736.45229.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050223170248.GA9472@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 05:36:44PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Wednesday 23 February 2005 17:22, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 03:55:00PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > mam problemy s twistrem. neprijima. neblikne ani ledka. jinak jumpry atp > > > jsou dobre, loopback jede, ale jenom pri jumprech, pri spojeni rx a Tx > > > ne. udelal sem si generator ze stare sitovky + sem to zrizil s Heztzem a > > > leze z toho 10MHz. za 26ls32 na pinu 5 je jakysi 10MHz prubeh. neni nijak > > > krasny ale je. dostal jsem se az na pin2 U52 (74hc14) kde se este nachazi > > > 10MHz prubeh. neproleze ale pres ten derivator co tam je (C65 a R52). je > > > to spravne? no, > > > > Then the C65 is broken - connection severed inside. > Or R52s resistance is much smaller Yes you are right. Jakub Michnik please check with ohmmeter against ground. Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Feb 23 18:11:25 2005 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Wed Feb 23 18:11:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] prenos clanku Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhavy > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:02:48 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] prenos clanku > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 05:36:44PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > On Wednesday 23 February 2005 17:22, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 03:55:00PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > > mam problemy s twistrem. neprijima. neblikne ani ledka. jinak jumpry atp > > > > jsou dobre, loopback jede, ale jenom pri jumprech, pri spojeni rx a Tx > > > > ne. udelal sem si generator ze stare sitovky + sem to zrizil s Heztzem a > > > > leze z toho 10MHz. za 26ls32 na pinu 5 je jakysi 10MHz prubeh. neni nijak > > > > krasny ale je. dostal jsem se az na pin2 U52 (74hc14) kde se este nachazi > > > > 10MHz prubeh. neproleze ale pres ten derivator co tam je (C65 a R52). je > > > > to spravne? no, > > > > > > Then the C65 is broken - connection severed inside. > > Or R52s resistance is much smaller > > Yes you are right. Jakub Michnik please check with ohmmeter against ground. Kann mich jemand sagen, warum antworten sie Englisch, wenn ich frage in die Tschechische sprache? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From archaopttrx at arcor.de Wed Feb 23 18:26:20 2005 From: archaopttrx at arcor.de (Daniel Berger) Date: Wed Feb 23 18:26:30 2005 Subject: [Ronja] prenos clanku In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421CCACC.6080004@arcor.de> Jakub Michn?k schrieb: > Kann mich jemand sagen, warum antworten sie Englisch, wenn ich frage in die Tschechische sprache? > Er hat Recht. La?t uns hier nur noch auf Tschechisch und auf Deutsch schreiben ;-) -- Wem l?ten kann, ist nichts unm?glich! From mixaj at mymail.cz Wed Feb 23 18:42:48 2005 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Wed Feb 23 18:42:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] prenos clanku References: <421CCACC.6080004@arcor.de> Message-ID: <002c01c519d7$7a70e810$d203a8c0@diablo> Neuch einmal bite in ENGLISH version or v cestine "BITE ; PLEASE, PROSIM " !!!!! :)))) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Berger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] prenos clanku > Jakub Michn?k schrieb: > > Kann mich jemand sagen, warum antworten sie Englisch, wenn ich frage in die Tschechische sprache? > > > > Er hat Recht. > La?t uns hier nur noch auf Tschechisch und auf Deutsch schreiben ;-) > > -- > Wem l?ten kann, ist nichts unm?glich! > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Feb 23 18:25:22 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Feb 23 18:51:56 2005 Subject: [Ronja] prenos clanku In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200502231925.22317.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Wednesday 23 February 2005 19:11, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: Karel Kulhavy > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:02:48 +0000 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] prenos clanku > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 05:36:44PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > On Wednesday 23 February 2005 17:22, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 03:55:00PM +0100, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > > > mam problemy s twistrem. neprijima. neblikne ani ledka. jinak > > > > > jumpry atp jsou dobre, loopback jede, ale jenom pri jumprech, pri > > > > > spojeni rx a Tx ne. udelal sem si generator ze stare sitovky + sem > > > > > to zrizil s Heztzem a leze z toho 10MHz. za 26ls32 na pinu 5 je > > > > > jakysi 10MHz prubeh. neni nijak krasny ale je. dostal jsem se az na > > > > > pin2 U52 (74hc14) kde se este nachazi 10MHz prubeh. neproleze ale > > > > > pres ten derivator co tam je (C65 a R52). je to spravne? no, > > > > > > > > Then the C65 is broken - connection severed inside. > > > > > > Or R52s resistance is much smaller > > > > Yes you are right. Jakub Michnik please check with ohmmeter against > > ground. > > Kann mich jemand sagen, warum antworten sie Englisch, wenn ich frage in > die Tschechische sprache? Darum Herr Clock hat seine Muttersprache vergessen. Jakub :-) > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Feb 24 08:32:07 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Thu Feb 24 08:31:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance issues Message-ID: <421D9F17.13970.3253B3@localhost> Nestalo by za uvahu do sekce distance issues udelat pro prehlednost nejaky graf podobny tomutu: http://www.infrared.ru/main_i.asp?type=nomo100 ??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050224/32d04866/attachment.htm From archaopttrx at arcor.de Thu Feb 24 09:42:26 2005 From: archaopttrx at arcor.de (Daniel Berger) Date: Thu Feb 24 09:42:41 2005 Subject: [Ronja] prenos clanku In-Reply-To: <002c01c519d7$7a70e810$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <421CCACC.6080004@arcor.de> <002c01c519d7$7a70e810$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <421DA182.3090600@arcor.de> Jaroslav Mixa schrieb: > Neuch einmal bite in ENGLISH version or v cestine "BITE ; PLEASE, PROSIM " > !!!!! > > :)))) > _ A no-pycckuu? _ Bbi nOHNMAETE pycckuu R3biK B YeXNR? >>Jakub Michn?k schrieb: >> >>>Kann mich jemand sagen, warum antworten sie Englisch, wenn ich frage in > > die Tschechische sprache? > >>Er hat Recht. >>La?t uns hier nur noch auf Tschechisch und auf Deutsch schreiben ;-) >> -- Wem l?ten kann, ist nichts unm?glich! From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 25 08:32:09 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Feb 25 08:30:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance issues In-Reply-To: <421D9F17.13970.3253B3@localhost> References: <421D9F17.13970.3253B3@localhost> Message-ID: <20050225083209.GA22256@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 09:32:07AM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > Nestalo by za uvahu do sekce distance issues udelat pro prehlednost > nejaky graf podobny tomutu: > http://www.infrared.ru/main_i.asp?type=nomo100 ??? Do you mean like those PDF and PS on http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ddist.php ? Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Feb 25 08:40:00 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Feb 25 08:40:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance issues In-Reply-To: <20050225083209.GA22256@beton.cybernet.src> References: <421D9F17.13970.3253B3@localhost> <20050225083209.GA22256@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200502250940.00893.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Friday 25 February 2005 09:32, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 09:32:07AM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > Nestalo by za uvahu do sekce distance issues udelat pro prehlednost > > nejaky graf podobny tomutu: > > http://www.infrared.ru/main_i.asp?type=nomo100 ??? > > Do you mean like those PDF and PS on > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ddist.php link nefunguje > > ? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Feb 25 08:40:28 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Feb 25 08:40:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance issues In-Reply-To: <20050225083209.GA22256@beton.cybernet.src> References: <421D9F17.13970.3253B3@localhost> <20050225083209.GA22256@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200502250940.28924.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Friday 25 February 2005 09:32, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 09:32:07AM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > Nestalo by za uvahu do sekce distance issues udelat pro prehlednost > > nejaky graf podobny tomutu: > > http://www.infrared.ru/main_i.asp?type=nomo100 ??? > > Do you mean like those PDF and PS on > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ddist.php jedno d navic > > ? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 25 08:58:27 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Feb 25 08:57:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance issues In-Reply-To: <200502250940.00893.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <421D9F17.13970.3253B3@localhost> <20050225083209.GA22256@beton.cybernet.src> <200502250940.00893.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050225085827.GB24522@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 09:40:00AM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Friday 25 February 2005 09:32, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 09:32:07AM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > Nestalo by za uvahu do sekce distance issues udelat pro prehlednost > > > nejaky graf podobny tomutu: > > > http://www.infrared.ru/main_i.asp?type=nomo100 ??? > > > > Do you mean like those PDF and PS on > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ddist.php > link nefunguje Sorry, typo (clipboard is not working for me in the particular configuration of programs). The correct should be: http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Feb 25 11:04:26 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Fri Feb 25 11:04:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance issues In-Reply-To: <20050225083209.GA22256@beton.cybernet.src> References: <421D9F17.13970.3253B3@localhost> Message-ID: <421F144A.29941.106A0E@localhost> > On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 09:32:07AM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > Nestalo by za uvahu do sekce distance issues udelat pro prehlednost > > nejaky graf podobny tomutu: > > http://www.infrared.ru/main_i.asp?type=nomo100 ??? > > Do you mean like those PDF and PS on > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ddist.php > I meant those graphs included in PDFs and PSs on http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ddist.php smash together into one graph like nomogram on http://www.infrared.ru/english/e_main_i.asp?type=nomo100 (ten samej co v prvnim prispevku, jen s anglickymi popisky) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050225/8ef1bb14/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 25 11:21:03 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Feb 25 11:19:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance issues In-Reply-To: <421F144A.29941.106A0E@localhost> References: <421D9F17.13970.3253B3@localhost> <421F144A.29941.106A0E@localhost> Message-ID: <20050225112103.GA24849@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 12:04:26PM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 09:32:07AM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > Nestalo by za uvahu do sekce distance issues udelat pro prehlednost > > > nejaky graf podobny tomutu: > > > http://www.infrared.ru/main_i.asp?type=nomo100 ??? > > > > Do you mean like those PDF and PS on > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ddist.php > > > I meant those graphs included in PDFs and PSs on http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ddist.php > smash together into one graph like nomogram on http://www.infrared.ru/english/e_main_i.asp?type=nomo100 > (ten samej co v prvnim prispevku, jen s anglickymi popisky) I don't understand how to smash them together, I think they are already smashed together (multiple lines in one graph). But if you have idea, you can do it yourself, because there are sources and the tools (gnuplot, GNU R) are free software. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Feb 25 11:33:21 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Fri Feb 25 11:32:54 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance issues In-Reply-To: <20050225112103.GA24849@beton.cybernet.src> References: <421F144A.29941.106A0E@localhost> Message-ID: <421F1B11.2392.2AE1C2@localhost> On 25 Feb 2005 at 11:21, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 12:04:26PM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 09:32:07AM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > > Nestalo by za uvahu do sekce distance issues udelat pro prehlednost > > > > nejaky graf podobny tomutu: > > > > http://www.infrared.ru/main_i.asp?type=nomo100 ??? > > > > > > Do you mean like those PDF and PS on > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ddist.php > > > > > I meant those graphs included in PDFs and PSs on http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ddist.php > > smash together into one graph like nomogram on http://www.infrared.ru/english/e_main_i.asp?type=nomo100 > > (ten samej co v prvnim prispevku, jen s anglickymi popisky) > > I don't understand how to smash them together, I think they are already smashed > together (multiple lines in one graph). But if you have idea, you can do it > yourself, because there are sources and the tools (gnuplot, GNU R) are free > software. > Tak jeste jednou cesky. Pri pohledu na tu hromadu grafu ma beznej BFU chaos. Proto jsem navrhoval udelat graf podobny tomu na odkazu. Ten by ukazoval - mam tuhle diodu a kdyz k ni pridam tyhle prumery lupy a jeste se k tomu primicha mlha, tak HNED v JEDNOM OBRAZKU clovek vidi na cem je. From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 25 11:46:33 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Feb 25 11:45:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance issues In-Reply-To: <421F1B11.2392.2AE1C2@localhost> References: <421F144A.29941.106A0E@localhost> <421F1B11.2392.2AE1C2@localhost> Message-ID: <20050225114633.GB24876@beton.cybernet.src> > Tak jeste jednou cesky. Pri pohledu na tu hromadu grafu ma beznej BFU chaos. Proto > jsem navrhoval udelat graf podobny tomu na odkazu. Ten by ukazoval - mam tuhle > diodu a kdyz k ni pridam tyhle prumery lupy a jeste se k tomu primicha mlha, tak HNED > v JEDNOM OBRAZKU clovek vidi na cem je. Taking into account the number of possible populations of Ronja with lenses, LEDs etc. you would end up with a graph without about 100 different curves on one page. I think it would me more chaos that it's now. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 26 21:00:43 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Feb 26 20:59:19 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?iso-8859-2?q?Dopln=ECn=ED_fotek_pro_http=3A//images=2Etwibr?= =?iso-8859-2?q?ight=2Ecom/tns/15e9=2Ehtml__-_Plze=F2?= In-Reply-To: <421F76CA.7090808@pilsfree.net> References: <421F76CA.7090808@pilsfree.net> Message-ID: <20050226210043.GA1860@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 08:04:42PM +0100, Jakub Velebn? wrote: > Ronja jede dob?e, zat?m jsem si v?iml jen 5ti v?padk? za 2,5 m?s?ce, > nicm?n? jeden byl zvl??tn?. P?i hust?m sn??en? bylo p?r minut kdy Ronja > jela cca 60 kB/s s pingem a? 3 s, ale p?esto zebra nep?ehodila spoj na Don't know what can cause the 3-second round-trip in case of loss of signal. Ronja itself is not capable of holding a packet. It will either pass it OK or corrupt (and it will be thrown away due to bad CRC in (2^32-1)/(2^32) cases). Has anyone also observed this anomaly, round-trip increasing to 3 seconds during low SNR ratio? Cl< > z?lohu. Pravd?podobn? bylo zast?n?n? trasy sn?hem na hranici jede/nejede > a m?nilo se to n?kolikr?t za vte?inu. From kubajz at kbx.cz Sun Feb 27 10:33:08 2005 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Sun Feb 27 10:33:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Dopln=ECn=ED_fotek_pro_http?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=3A//images=2Etwibright=2Ecom/tns/15e9=2Ehtml__-_Pl?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?ze=F2?= In-Reply-To: <20050226210043.GA1860@beton.cybernet.src> References: <421F76CA.7090808@pilsfree.net> <20050226210043.GA1860@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4221A1E4.9070005@kbx.cz> EN: I think our link had rtt few msecs when low signal. When we aimed it more accurately, it was < 1ms as it is in specs. In your case big rtt was probably made by zebra and other systems solving problem with link and backup. CZ: Myslim, ze nas spoj mel par milisekund pri nizkem signalu. Kdyz jsme to dozamerili, tak bylo < 1ms tak, jak je to ve specifikacich. Ve vasem pripade byla vlka odezva nejspis zpusobena Zebrou a dalsimi systemy, ktere resily prepojeni na backup atp... Kubajz Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 08:04:42PM +0100, Jakub Velebn? wrote: > >>Ronja jede dob?e, zat?m jsem si v?iml jen 5ti v?padk? za 2,5 m?s?ce, >>nicm?n? jeden byl zvl??tn?. P?i hust?m sn??en? bylo p?r minut kdy Ronja >>jela cca 60 kB/s s pingem a? 3 s, ale p?esto zebra nep?ehodila spoj na > > > Don't know what can cause the 3-second round-trip in case of loss of signal. > Ronja itself is not capable of holding a packet. It will either pass it OK or > corrupt (and it will be thrown away due to bad CRC in (2^32-1)/(2^32) cases). > > Has anyone also observed this anomaly, round-trip increasing to 3 seconds > during low SNR ratio? > > Cl< > >>z?lohu. Pravd?podobn? bylo zast?n?n? trasy sn?hem na hranici jede/nejede >>a m?nilo se to n?kolikr?t za vte?inu. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sun Feb 27 11:44:46 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sun Feb 27 11:44:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?utf-8?B?RG9wbG7Em27DrSBm?= =?utf-8?Q?otek_pro_http=3A=2F=2Fimages=2Etwibright=2Ecom=2Ftns=2F15e9=2Eh?= =?utf-8?Q?tml__-_Plze=C5=88?= In-Reply-To: <20050226210043.GA1860@beton.cybernet.src> References: <421F76CA.7090808@pilsfree.net> <20050226210043.GA1860@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050227114445.GB14838@feanor> On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 09:00:43PM +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 08:04:42PM +0100, Jakub Velebn? wrote: > > Ronja jede dob?e, zat?m jsem si v?iml jen 5ti v?padk? za 2,5 m?s?ce, > > nicm?n? jeden byl zvl??tn?. P?i hust?m sn??en? bylo p?r minut kdy Ronja > > jela cca 60 kB/s s pingem a? 3 s, ale p?esto zebra nep?ehodila spoj na With how strong packetloss? > Don't know what can cause the 3-second round-trip in case of loss of signal. > Ronja itself is not capable of holding a packet. It will either pass it OK or > corrupt (and it will be thrown away due to bad CRC in (2^32-1)/(2^32) cases). There aren't automatic retransmission caused by collisions in half-duplex mode? -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From jakub at pilsfree.net Sun Feb 27 14:12:30 2005 From: jakub at pilsfree.net (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_Velebn=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 14:12:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Dopln=ECn=ED_fotek_pro_http?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=3A//images=2Etwibright=2Ecom/tns/15e9=2Ehtml__-_Pl?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?ze=F2?= In-Reply-To: <4221A1E4.9070005@kbx.cz> References: <421F76CA.7090808@pilsfree.net> <20050226210043.GA1860@beton.cybernet.src> <4221A1E4.9070005@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <4221D54E.8000700@pilsfree.net> HTML příloha byla odstraněna... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050227/dcea31d0/attachment.htm From jakub at pilsfree.net Sun Feb 27 14:17:30 2005 From: jakub at pilsfree.net (=?UTF-8?B?SmFrdWIgVmVsZWJuw70=?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 14:17:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?UTF-8?B?RG9wbG7Em27DrSBmb3RlayBwcm8gaHR0cDovL2k=?= =?UTF-8?B?bWFnZXMudHdpYnJpZ2h0LmNvbS90bnMvMTVlOS5odG1sICAtIFBsemXFiA==?= In-Reply-To: <20050227114445.GB14838@feanor> References: <421F76CA.7090808@pilsfree.net> <20050226210043.GA1860@beton.cybernet.src> <20050227114445.GB14838@feanor> Message-ID: <4221D67A.6020402@pilsfree.net> Ondrej Zajicek napsal(a): >On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 09:00:43PM +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >>On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 08:04:42PM +0100, Jakub Velebn? wrote: >> >> >>>Ronja jede dob?e, zat?m jsem si v?iml jen 5ti v?padk? za 2,5 m?s?ce, >>>nicm?n? jeden byl zvl??tn?. P?i hust?m sn??en? bylo p?r minut kdy Ronja >>>jela cca 60 kB/s s pingem a? 3 s, ale p?esto zebra nep?ehodila spoj na >>> >>> > >With how strong packetloss? > > I'm sorry, I dont know, a due to QoS i would be a bit difficult to check it quckly. > > > >>Don't know what can cause the 3-second round-trip in case of loss of signal. >>Ronja itself is not capable of holding a packet. It will either pass it OK or >>corrupt (and it will be thrown away due to bad CRC in (2^32-1)/(2^32) cases). >> >> > >There aren't automatic retransmission caused by collisions in half-duplex mode? > > > I don't think so, both ends are in NIC sets manualy to 10 Mb FD. From jojo at matfyz.cz Sun Feb 27 14:53:23 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sun Feb 27 14:53:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Dopln=ECn?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=ED_fotek_pro_http=3A=2F=2Fimages=2Etwibright=2Ecom=2Ftns?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=2F15e9=2Ehtml__-_Plze=F2?= In-Reply-To: <4221D54E.8000700@pilsfree.net> References: <421F76CA.7090808@pilsfree.net> <20050226210043.GA1860@beton.cybernet.src> <4221A1E4.9070005@kbx.cz> <4221D54E.8000700@pilsfree.net> Message-ID: <20050227145323.GA5503@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Please don't use HTML in your mail or at least don't send HTML-only mails. It's so impolite! Majo On 2005-02-27 15:12 +0100, Jakub Velebn? wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't think it was caused by zebra. When I saw ping cca 3 s, I used > iptraf and I was very suprised, that data still went through Ronja and > backup line wasn't use yet. 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> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sun Feb 27 15:42:11 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sun Feb 27 15:42:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?utf-8?B?RG9wbG7Em27DrSBm?= =?utf-8?Q?otek_pro_http=3A=2F=2Fimages=2Etwibright=2Ecom=2Ftns=2F15e9=2Eh?= =?utf-8?Q?tml__-_Plze=C5=88?= In-Reply-To: <4221D54E.8000700@pilsfree.net> References: <421F76CA.7090808@pilsfree.net> <20050226210043.GA1860@beton.cybernet.src> <4221A1E4.9070005@kbx.cz> <4221D54E.8000700@pilsfree.net> Message-ID: <20050227154211.GA2880@feanor> On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 03:12:30PM +0100, Jakub Velebn? wrote: > I don't think it was caused by zebra. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050227/3f9ef7c9/attachment.bin From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 27 19:46:05 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 27 19:44:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot Message-ID: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I asked Youri D'Elia who did logo for GNU Arch (the cure octopus) to make a kestrel mascot for Ronja for me and he did. He originally did it without the eye and I added it. http://ronja.twibright.com/kestrel.png I would like to hear comments, how you like it, any suggestions what to change etc. Cl< From caffr at seznam.cz Sun Feb 27 20:49:05 2005 From: caffr at seznam.cz (cafr) Date: Sun Feb 27 20:49:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <42223241.5010405@seznam.cz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >Hello > >I asked Youri D'Elia who did logo for GNU Arch (the cure octopus) to make >a kestrel mascot for Ronja for me and he did. > >He originally did it without the eye and I added it. > >http://ronja.twibright.com/kestrel.png > >I would like to hear comments, how you like it, any suggestions what to change >etc. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > Ja si myslim, ze je to pekny - lepsi nez ta chobotnice. Nic bych na tom nemenil a nejak to zakomponoval na stranky Ronje. Jeste bych ale pouvazoval o porizeni zivy postolky :-) From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sun Feb 27 21:20:18 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Sun Feb 27 21:20:02 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <42223241.5010405@seznam.cz> References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <422247A2.29620.10A2C0D@localhost> Jestli by spis nebyl lepsi orel. Jak tady porad Clock "prudi" s free technologiemi, tak se me vybavuje pisen od skupiny Helloween "Eagle fly free". (Pri pohledu o pulnoci do roury zase "Midnight sun" :) P.S.: Pokud me unikla nejaka souvislost, proc zrovna postolka, tak me nekamenujte. > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >Hello > > > >I asked Youri D'Elia who did logo for GNU Arch (the cure octopus) to make > >a kestrel mascot for Ronja for me and he did. > > > >He originally did it without the eye and I added it. > > > >http://ronja.twibright.com/kestrel.png > > > >I would like to hear comments, how you like it, any suggestions what to change > >etc. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > Ja si myslim, ze je to pekny - lepsi nez ta chobotnice. Nic bych na tom > nemenil a nejak to zakomponoval na stranky Ronje. Jeste bych ale > pouvazoval o porizeni zivy postolky :-) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sun Feb 27 21:20:19 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Sun Feb 27 21:20:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] distance issues In-Reply-To: <20050225114633.GB24876@beton.cybernet.src> References: <421F1B11.2392.2AE1C2@localhost> Message-ID: <422247A3.1778.10A2F4B@localhost> > > Tak jeste jednou cesky. Pri pohledu na tu hromadu grafu ma beznej BFU chaos. Proto > > jsem navrhoval udelat graf podobny tomu na odkazu. Ten by ukazoval - mam tuhle > > diodu a kdyz k ni pridam tyhle prumery lupy a jeste se k tomu primicha mlha, tak HNED > > v JEDNOM OBRAZKU clovek vidi na cem je. > > Taking into account the number of possible populations of Ronja with lenses, > LEDs etc. you would end up with a graph without about 100 different curves > on one page. > > I think it would me more chaos that it's now. > > Cl< > No, nic byl by to moc peknej obrazek. Ale co jsem tak koukal tak se vicemene pouzivaji jen konstrukce s 90 a 130mm lupama made in china a dioda HPW....F000 nebo ...E000. To by byly 2 grafy a 8 curves jestli spravne pocitam. From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 27 21:21:34 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 27 21:20:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Dopln=ECn?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=ED_fotek_pro_http=3A=2F=2Fimages=2Etwibright=2Ecom=2Ftns?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=2F15e9=2Ehtml__-_Plze=F2?= In-Reply-To: <20050227114445.GB14838@feanor> References: <421F76CA.7090808@pilsfree.net> <20050226210043.GA1860@beton.cybernet.src> <20050227114445.GB14838@feanor> Message-ID: <20050227212134.GC4512@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 12:44:46PM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 09:00:43PM +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 08:04:42PM +0100, Jakub Velebn? wrote: > > > Ronja jede dob?e, zat?m jsem si v?iml jen 5ti v?padk? za 2,5 m?s?ce, > > > nicm?n? jeden byl zvl??tn?. P?i hust?m sn??en? bylo p?r minut kdy Ronja > > > jela cca 60 kB/s s pingem a? 3 s, ale p?esto zebra nep?ehodila spoj na > > With how strong packetloss? > > > Don't know what can cause the 3-second round-trip in case of loss of signal. > > Ronja itself is not capable of holding a packet. It will either pass it OK or > > corrupt (and it will be thrown away due to bad CRC in (2^32-1)/(2^32) cases). > > There aren't automatic retransmission caused by collisions in half-duplex mode? This is true. It can take up to several seconds. Collision is detected on UTP by receiving a signal during transmission. However it doesn't get to me how this could happen. The VPN explanation appears to be more probable to me. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 27 21:25:18 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 27 21:23:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <422247A2.29620.10A2C0D@localhost> References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> <422247A2.29620.10A2C0D@localhost> Message-ID: <20050227212518.GA4636@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 10:20:18PM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > Jestli by spis nebyl lepsi orel. Jak tady porad Clock "prudi" s free > technologiemi, tak se me vybavuje pisen od skupiny Helloween "Eagle > fly free". (Pri pohledu o pulnoci do roury zase "Midnight sun" :) > > P.S.: Pokud me unikla nejaka souvislost, proc zrovna postolka, tak me > nekamenujte. Kestrel sees well (as Ronja RX does ;-) ) and uses air for defeating distance as well as Ronja. ;-) And it doesn't fear people. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sun Feb 27 21:28:17 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Sun Feb 27 21:27:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <20050227212518.GA4636@beton.cybernet.src> References: <422247A2.29620.10A2C0D@localhost> Message-ID: <42224981.11097.1117A5F@localhost> > > Jestli by spis nebyl lepsi orel. Jak tady porad Clock "prudi" s free > > technologiemi, tak se me vybavuje pisen od skupiny Helloween "Eagle > > fly free". (Pri pohledu o pulnoci do roury zase "Midnight sun" :) > > > > P.S.: Pokud me unikla nejaka souvislost, proc zrovna postolka, tak me > > nekamenujte. > Jjj, nejak unikla pointa - rovnou by byla ui hymna. > Kestrel sees well (as Ronja RX does ;-) ) and uses air for defeating > distance as well as Ronja. ;-) And it doesn't fear people. > > Cl< > ...and it does fear aliens too. From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 27 21:34:49 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 27 21:33:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <422247A2.29620.10A2C0D@localhost> References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> <422247A2.29620.10A2C0D@localhost> Message-ID: <20050227213449.GB4636@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 10:20:18PM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > Jestli by spis nebyl lepsi orel. Jak tady porad Clock "prudi" s free > technologiemi, tak se me vybavuje pisen od skupiny Helloween "Eagle > fly free". (Pri pohledu o pulnoci do roury zase "Midnight sun" :) Eagle is a symbol of aggression for me. States that have used violence for resolving problems use it often in their state emblems (Germany, USA) as a symbol of force (at least it appears this way to me). I don't want Ronja to be connected with aggression and/or power because it's very philosphy is intended to be exact opposition of that. Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Feb 27 21:50:40 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (boza2@volny.cz) Date: Sun Feb 27 21:50:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Prijde mi to takove krute a studene. Cekal bych neco veselejsiho (tucnak i dablik se tvari vesele ci potouchle, ostatni free loga neznam). Kde je k videni nejaka ta chobotnice? Ondra ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Karel Kulhavy" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: [Ronja] Ronja mascot Datum: 27.2.2005 - 20:44:48 > Hello > > I asked Youri D'Elia who did logo for GNU Arch (the cure > octopus) to make > a kestrel mascot for Ronja for me and he did. > > He originally did it without the eye and I added it. > > http://ronja.twibright.com/kestrel.png > > I would like to hear comments, how you like it, any suggestions > what to change > etc. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Levn?j?? internet v pracovn? dny ji? od 18:00 hod. Surfujte s VOLN?! http://mimospicku.volny.cz From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Sun Feb 27 21:56:20 2005 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Sun Feb 27 21:55:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <42224204.2010508@tiscali.cz> boza2@volny.cz wrote: >Prijde mi to takove krute a studene. Cekal bych neco veselejsiho >(tucnak i dablik se tvari vesele ci potouchle, ostatni free loga >neznam). Kde je k videni nejaka ta chobotnice? > >Ondra > > Nemuzu si pomoct, ale na me to pusobi presne obracene. Jinak kde je k videni ta chobotnice by me taky zajimalo. From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sun Feb 27 22:05:52 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sun Feb 27 22:05:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?utf-8?B?RG9wbG7Em27DrSBm?= =?utf-8?Q?otek_pro_http=3A=2F=2Fimages=2Etwibright=2Ecom=2Ftns=2F15e9=2Eh?= =?utf-8?Q?tml__-_Plze=C5=88?= In-Reply-To: <20050227212134.GC4512@beton.cybernet.src> References: <421F76CA.7090808@pilsfree.net> <20050226210043.GA1860@beton.cybernet.src> <20050227114445.GB14838@feanor> <20050227212134.GC4512@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050227220552.GB7123@feanor> On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 09:21:34PM +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > There aren't automatic retransmission caused by collisions in half-duplex mode? > > This is true. It can take up to several seconds. Collision is detected > on UTP by receiving a signal during transmission. What about different attenuation on each direction? If A->B direction is completely shaded, A starts sending packets, B receives nothing, starts sending packets, A receives packets and detects collision. But in Velebny's case both interfaces were in FD mode, so this is inappropriate and VPN explanation is better. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From kero at matfyz.cz Sun Feb 27 22:17:16 2005 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Sun Feb 27 22:17:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <422246EC.7030503@matfyz.cz> I guess octopus is here. http://www.yuv.info/~wavexx/art/ Kero boza2@volny.cz napsal(a): > Prijde mi to takove krute a studene. Cekal bych neco veselejsiho > (tucnak i dablik se tvari vesele ci potouchle, ostatni free loga > neznam). Kde je k videni nejaka ta chobotnice? > > Ondra > > ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- > Od: "Karel Kulhavy" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Ronja mascot > Datum: 27.2.2005 - 20:44:48 > > >>Hello >> >>I asked Youri D'Elia who did logo for GNU Arch (the cure >>octopus) to make >>a kestrel mascot for Ronja for me and he did. >> >>He originally did it without the eye and I added it. >> >>http://ronja.twibright.com/kestrel.png >> >>I would like to hear comments, how you like it, any suggestions >>what to change >>etc. >> >>Cl< >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 254 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050227/4b7dfd23/signature.bin From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 27 23:13:48 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Feb 27 23:12:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20050227231348.GA189@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 10:50:40PM +0100, boza2@volny.cz wrote: > Prijde mi to takove krute a studene. Cekal bych neco veselejsiho > (tucnak i dablik se tvari vesele ci potouchle, ostatni free loga > neznam). Kde je k videni nejaka ta chobotnice? http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/ Cl< From maco at host.sk Sun Feb 27 23:31:46 2005 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sun Feb 27 23:32:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <42225862.8010003@host.sk> It looks very complicated for me. What about to make a competition so more sketchech may be submitted and one will be choosen by RONJA users and developers. Is there any point in doing such a competition? I guess yes :) Best regards, Marcel Hecko www.hecko.net Karel Kulhavy wrote: > Hello > > I asked Youri D'Elia who did logo for GNU Arch (the cure octopus) to make > a kestrel mascot for Ronja for me and he did. > > He originally did it without the eye and I added it. > > http://ronja.twibright.com/kestrel.png > > I would like to hear comments, how you like it, any suggestions what to change > etc. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Mon Feb 28 20:23:13 2005 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Mon Feb 28 20:22:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> <42225862.8010003@host.sk> Message-ID: <003701c51dd3$55f260e0$d203a8c0@diablo> A co nejake logo s naznakem opticke komunikace??? Treba ??bel s laserovou bazukou, nebo s laserovym kulometem :)) From mouse1 at volny.cz Mon Feb 28 20:53:28 2005 From: mouse1 at volny.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Luk=E1=B9_Burian?=) Date: Mon Feb 28 20:53:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <003701c51dd3$55f260e0$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: To uz snad radsi trubku s vysilacem s kridlama ty postolky ;) L. -----Original Message----- From: ronja-bounces+mouse1=volny.cz@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+mouse1=volny.cz@lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Jaroslav Mixa Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:23 PM To: Twibright Ronja Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja mascot A co nejake logo s naznakem opticke komunikace??? Treba ??bel s laserovou bazukou, nebo s laserovym kulometem :)) From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Feb 28 21:37:00 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (boza2@volny.cz) Date: Mon Feb 28 21:37:04 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <20050228205325.83AE615E042@relay5.volny.cz> References: <20050228205325.83AE615E042@relay5.volny.cz> Message-ID: <96718b95614fa3e086f6ec53fea314cd@www1.mail.volny.cz> Jestli je teda nejaka moznost to ovlivnit, tak jsem pro chobotnici, prijde mi veselejsi. Te postolky ci co je to za orlosupa se bojim. Ondra ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Luk?? Burian" Komu: "'Twibright Ronja'" P?edm?t: RE: [Ronja] Ronja mascot Datum: 28.2.2005 - 21:53:25 > To uz snad radsi trubku s vysilacem s kridlama ty postolky ;) > L. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ronja-bounces+mouse1=volny.cz@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+mouse1=volny.cz@lists.pointless.net] On > Behalf Of > Jaroslav Mixa > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:23 PM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja mascot > > A co nejake logo s naznakem opticke komunikace??? > > Treba ??bel s laserovou bazukou, nebo s laserovym kulometem > :)) > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Akcni unorova nabidka "3 za cenu 1"! Ziskejte VOLNY ADSL 512/128 3GB za cenu 1GB! http://adsl.volny.cz From clock at twibright.com Mon Feb 28 21:42:15 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Feb 28 21:40:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <96718b95614fa3e086f6ec53fea314cd@www1.mail.volny.cz> References: <20050228205325.83AE615E042@relay5.volny.cz> <96718b95614fa3e086f6ec53fea314cd@www1.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050228214215.GB23508@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:37:00PM +0100, boza2@volny.cz wrote: > Jestli je teda nejaka moznost to ovlivnit, tak jsem pro chobotnici, > prijde mi veselejsi. Te postolky ci co je to za orlosupa se bojim. Octopus by Yuri D'Elia is already a logo of GNU Arch. Cl< From Lubos.m at seznam.cz Mon Feb 28 23:06:32 2005 From: Lubos.m at seznam.cz (Lubos.m) Date: Mon Feb 28 23:06:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja mascot In-Reply-To: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20050227194605.GA4121@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <7216708455.20050301000632@seznam.cz> Hi Clock, didn't you mean 'cute' instead of 'cure' :) BTW this kestrel doen't seem cute to me at all. It might be a good mascot - the reasons for selecting a kestrel for the mascot sound good, but the design is not so neat as could be. What abous something similar to the octopus? Původní zpráva 27. února 2005, 20:46:05: > Hello > I asked Youri D'Elia who did logo for GNU Arch (the cure octopus) to make > a kestrel mascot for Ronja for me and he did. > He originally did it without the eye and I added it. > http://ronja.twibright.com/kestrel.png > I would like to hear comments, how you like it, any suggestions what to change > etc. > Cl< > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja