From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Apr 1 04:41:19 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Apr 1 04:41:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz><000a01c530c5$76e16260$0101a8c0@cz><20050327110749.GA1934@beton.cybernet.src><200503290756.05908.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20050331163148.GC13098@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000801c5366c$aa9e5c00$0101a8c0@cz> Treba to, ze kdyz bylo treba 100nF, tak se vzali dva 47nF a 4k7nF protoze kdyz se menila teplota pri vykonech (u M160 jsem daval tusim KD503, abych mel 20W PA..ale presne si uz nepamatuju), tak se taky menila kapacita. A timto "skladanim" kapacit se ruzne "vlivy" vykompenzovaly. Jeste vetsi sranda byla u keramit pod 1nF. Nekde bylo lepsi pouzit i svitkove kondiky. Laicky receno, sice vyrobci rikaj v katalogu jaky ze je jejich kondik, ale praxe ukaze, ze ne vzdy to je pravda. Treba i tim, ze 2.2nF ma uplne jinou kapacitu pri kmitoctu 1MHz a jinou pri 12MHz. Buh rekl....budiz svetlo a bylo svetlo, stavitel rekl.... budiz Ronja a byl oscilator :) -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] divny Rx > On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 06:56:05AM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > > > jsem (byval jsem) taky radioamater takze o kondenzatorech a jejich zapojovani > > vim svoje (stavel jsem M160,PS83, CW Elev 144MHz, SSB transciever podle > > nejakeho polskeho sborniku). > > Co o nich vis zajimaveho? > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Prichozi zprava neobsahuje viry. > Zkontrolovano Antivirovym systemem AVG. > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virova baze: 266.8.6 - datum vydani: 30.3.2005 > > -- Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. Zkontrolov?no Antivirov?m syst?mem AVG. Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.8.6 - datum vyd?n?: 30.3.2005 From zapadlo at melzer.cz Fri Apr 1 07:01:52 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Fri Apr 1 07:02:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <000801c5366c$aa9e5c00$0101a8c0@cz> References: <200503241425.00474.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20050331163148.GC13098@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c5366c$aa9e5c00$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200504010801.52571.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne p? 1. dubna 2005 5:41 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > Treba to, ze kdyz bylo treba 100nF, tak se vzali dva 47nF a 4k7nF protoze > kdyz se menila teplota pri vykonech (u M160 jsem daval > tusim KD503, abych mel 20W PA..ale presne si uz nepamatuju), tak se taky > menila kapacita. > A timto "skladanim" kapacit se ruzne "vlivy" vykompenzovaly. > Jeste vetsi sranda byla u keramit pod 1nF. > U M160 mi stacil ten watt co byl na konci, nejak me dlouhe vlny nechytly. > Nekde bylo lepsi pouzit i svitkove kondiky. Presne tak, napr. do LC oscilatoru mezi prvni a druhou mezifrekvenci a do vysilaciho LC oscilatoru jsem daval paralelne svitkovy styroflex a slidovy WK (vypadal jako tlusty keramicky). > > Laicky receno, sice vyrobci rikaj v katalogu jaky ze je jejich kondik, ale > praxe ukaze, ze ne vzdy to je pravda. > mam podobny nazor, dulezitejsi je odexperimentovat nez vypocitat (a prohlasit za dobre) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From anmic at fmg.sk Sat Apr 2 18:41:16 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sat Apr 2 18:42:43 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx References: <20050331073538.GA11184@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001e01c537ab$5e2fe6a0$64e96cc2@anmic> > > Taky sem na meraku zkousel merit h21e tech 2n3904 a ukazalo mi to "2". > > 2 is bad. Should be something like 200-300. > Check if you were inserting the transistor the right way into the multimeter. > > CL< Meril jsem nejake 2N3904 (6 kusu). Nameril jsem hodnoty v tomto rozmezi: h(FE) = 130..150 Je to tak v poradku? --- I've just measured some 2N3904s (6 pieces). I've got h(FE) values of the 130..150 range. Is it OK? anMic From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Apr 4 07:47:05 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Apr 4 07:49:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <20050330210335.GD9393@beton.cybernet.src> References: <001001c533df$c1085700$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <4250FF09.26321.E0F9F@localhost> > > SOUHLAS > > > > Martin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] divny Rx > > > > > > Akorat na nejhlavnejsi vec jsi zapomel. > > V RX kondik blokujici G2 MOSFETu proti zemi MUSI mit co nejkratsi nozicky a > > musi > > byt dobre pripajen. Pokud ma nozicky delsi nez cca 2mm nebo je ke krabicce > > cinem > > jen "prilepen" je zadelano na pruser. > > What happens if the legs are too long? Does it start to oscillate? > Yes, it will oscilate over 1GHz and/or raise noise level. Petr > CL< From rasken at centrum.cz Tue Apr 5 19:39:06 2005 From: rasken at centrum.cz (rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Tue Apr 5 19:39:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx Message-ID: Takze s tema modulama je to takhle: sou ctyri, chovali vsechny uplne stejne. Pri zapojeni na otestovani reaguji na svetlo hny zmnenou RSII, podle vdalenosti od 1,8v pri 10cm po 0,05mv na 150cm. Ale proste data pres to valit nechteji. Test pointy sou + - docela v normne podle navodu. Rasken From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 5 20:53:08 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Apr 5 20:55:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <425308C4.8263.B4FB2B@localhost> Kolik to ukazuje rssi bez signalu? Kdyztak jestli jsi z prahy tak se na to muzu podivat. Zatim jsem zprovoznil vsechno. Jen nemuzu garantovat dosah, tam jde o to jak blbe je to navrzeny. > Takze s tema modulama je to takhle: > sou ctyri, chovali vsechny uplne stejne. Pri zapojeni na otestovani reaguji na svetlo hny zmnenou RSII, podle vdalenosti od 1,8v pri 10cm po 0,05mv na 150cm. Ale proste data pres to valit nechteji. Test pointy sou + - docela v normne podle navodu. > Rasken > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 5 22:07:53 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Apr 5 22:09:57 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Domaci vyroba cocek Message-ID: <42531A49.26378.F96E69@localhost> Kdyby nekdo potreboval nestandardni cocku, tak si ji muze vyrobit jako kdysi O. Wichterle kontaktni cocky. Material nalezne zde http://www.elchemco.cz/EC141_W241.htm . Jen to zloutnuti UV zarenim nevim jestli nebude vadit. Petr From rasken at centrum.cz Wed Apr 6 05:53:10 2005 From: rasken at centrum.cz (rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Wed Apr 6 05:53:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx Message-ID: Bohuzel z Prahy nejsem, ale pripadne spolupraci se nebranim. 1) mam v praze kamose na vejsce po kterem bych ti to moh poslat abyses na to kouknul, jezdi sem tam o vykendu dom, ale nevim kdy ted v nejblizsi dobe dorazi. 2) ti to muzu poslat postou Rasken ICQ 129410909 ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Petr Seliger" > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:53:08 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Rx > > Kolik to ukazuje rssi bez signalu? > Kdyztak jestli jsi z prahy tak se na to muzu podivat. Zatim jsem zprovoznil vsechno. > Jen nemuzu garantovat dosah, tam jde o to jak blbe je to navrzeny. > > > Takze s tema modulama je to takhle: > > sou ctyri, chovali vsechny uplne stejne. Pri zapojeni na otestovani reaguji na svetlo hny zmnenou RSII, podle vdalenosti od 1,8v pri 10cm po 0,05mv na 150cm. Ale proste data pres to valit nechteji. Test pointy sou + - docela v normne podle navodu. > > Rasken > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Apr 7 19:18:12 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Apr 7 19:18:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu Message-ID: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> Ahoj Nastaveni svice s RTL8305SB: Chcete nastavit 10 Mbit FullDuplex na jednom portu? Staci nejaky 5 portovy svic, co ma v sobe cip RTL8305SB, napr. Dexlan, a spojte jeho pin 107 na zem. Portu0 (venku je vyveden jako "1") se tim nastavi 10Mbit. Zatim je to vyzkouseno tak, ze jsem pripojil do tohoto portu sitovku v komplu a kopiroval na server, ktery byl pripojen 100Mbitem do jineho portu ve svici. Zaraz to jelo jednim smerem 1MB/sec, druhym 550 KB/sec, ale to bude nejspis tim, ze mam fragmentovany disk a chrcelo to jak blazen. Pokud jsem kompl se sitovkou (nastavenou natvrdo na 10FD) strcil do jineho portu, tak jsem dosahl skvele rychlosti nekolik desitek KB/sec. P.S. Opatrne na to pajeni, v tomto svicu neni ten pin 107 pouzit na ledku, tak se to musi pripajet primo na nozicku toho svabu. Pokud mate svic, ktery ma LEDky nejen na link (duplex, speed), tak to bude jednodussi - vedlejsim efektem bude, ze ona ledka bude svitit stale. Na twisterovi jsem to jeste nezkousel, nebot ho mam rozkuchaneho v praci :-/ Cipis From Funky at seznam.cz Fri Apr 8 11:49:57 2005 From: Funky at seznam.cz (Funky) Date: Fri Apr 8 11:50:02 2005 Subject: [Ronja] testpointy nebulus Message-ID: <2140.2873-13826-960098139-1112957397@seznam.cz> Zdar, postavil jsem nebulus a testpointy jsou uplne mimo. Measured Should be Point AC DC AC DC P1 0 0,00 0,0 0,0 P2 0 5,53 0,0 4,9 P3 0 5,00 0,0 4,2 P4 0 5,52 0,0 4,9 P5 0 10,17 0,0 Undef. P6 0 2,30 2,5 5,0 P7 0 2,39 0,0 0,0 nevite co je spatne ? dik, Jindra ____________________________________________________________ http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=94734 ------------- další část --------------- Netextová příloha byla odstraněna... Jméno: =?us-ascii?Q?infra=5Ftestpoints=2Esxc?= Typ: application/octet-stream Velikost: 8452 bytes Popis: [žádný popis není k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050408/19b6daf0/us-asciiQinfra5Ftestpoints2Esxc.obj From schum at seznam.cz Fri Apr 8 13:43:07 2005 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Fri Apr 8 13:43:11 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20testpointy=20nebulus?= In-Reply-To: <2140.2873-13826-960098139-1112957397@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <498.1224-2720-1201627663-1112964187@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Funky" Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] testpointy nebulus Datum (Date): 8. 4. 2005 12:49 ================================================== < Zdar, < postavil jsem nebulus a testpointy jsou uplne mimo. < Measured Should be < Point AC DC AC DC < P1 0 0,00 0,0 0,0 < P2 0 5,53 0,0 4,9 < P3 0 5,00 0,0 4,2 < P4 0 5,52 0,0 4,9 < P5 0 10,17 0,0 Undef. < P6 0 2,30 2,5 5,0 < P7 0 2,39 0,0 0,0 < < nevite co je spatne ? < dik, Jindra no P1 az P5 jsou trochu ujety protoze ta zenerka asi nema presne 7,5V ale to podle me neni nic zasadniho. Ty dalsi body jsou uz chyby, ale na dalku se to diagnostikovat neda Mirek ____________________________________________________________ http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=94734 From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 9 19:01:37 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Apr 9 18:59:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050409180137.GA22671@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 12:45:40PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > At 10:09 25.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:57:47PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > >> At 12:03 23.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> > >> >> At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the > >> >> >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as > >well > >> >but > >> >> >> >am not sure. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or > >what > >> >> >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you > >> >get the > >> >> >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems > >or > >> >too > >> >> >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by > >receiving > >> >> >> >multiple frames at a time. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >CL< > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I > >> >will > >> >> >> change the wire. > >> >> > > >> >> >Which cable? > >> >> > >> >> UTP cable in twister. > >> > > >> >No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try with a > >> >piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in Ronja > >> >or in rest of the system. > >> > > >> >CL< > >> > >> I did it at first. I used AUI cable + AUI<->UTP transceiver + UTP cable > >and > >> all worked good. > > > >This looks interesting. That should not probably happen unless Ronja design > >is buggy or your device is built wrong. > > > >Please don't delete the line with original description of problem. Please > >describe it again. > > > >If the problem was with full duplex, did you test the wire-only setup in > >full > >duplex too? > > > >Are there any deviations from Ronja guide? > > > >Can you provide photos of electronics insides of your Ronja and overall > >photo > >of your Ronja testing setup? > > > >CL< > > > Problem isn't in FD setting. Just NIC can't work FD that's all. Today's > night I disconnect switch (and disconnect all PCs connected via switch). > And connect twister into the PC NIC. Packet over 1500 works with 0% > packetloss. Problem is, twister can't works good, when it's connected to > the switch. I think that problem can be only with small percent of > switches. This switch is infosmart. Does your switch have an auto MDI/MDIX function? How old is the switch? CL< From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 9 19:08:19 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Apr 9 19:05:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] divny Rx In-Reply-To: <000801c5366c$aa9e5c00$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20050331163148.GC13098@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c5366c$aa9e5c00$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050409180819.GA22685@beton.cybernet.src> > Treba i tim, ze 2.2nF ma uplne jinou kapacitu pri kmitoctu 1MHz a jinou pri > 12MHz. > Buh rekl....budiz svetlo a bylo svetlo, stavitel rekl.... budiz Ronja a > byl oscilator :) Have you got some piece of Ronja built according to the guide (with no "but"'s) that behaves like an oscillator? CL< From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 9 19:09:04 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Apr 9 19:06:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: <001e01c537ab$5e2fe6a0$64e96cc2@anmic> References: <20050331073538.GA11184@beton.cybernet.src> <001e01c537ab$5e2fe6a0$64e96cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050409180904.GB22685@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 07:41:16PM +0200, anMic wrote: > > > Taky sem na meraku zkousel merit h21e tech 2n3904 a ukazalo mi to > "2". > > > > 2 is bad. Should be something like 200-300. > > Check if you were inserting the transistor the right way into the > multimeter. > > > > CL< > > > Meril jsem nejake 2N3904 (6 kusu). > Nameril jsem hodnoty v tomto rozmezi: h(FE) = 130..150 > Je to tak v poradku? > --- > I've just measured some 2N3904s (6 pieces). > I've got h(FE) values of the 130..150 range. > Is it OK? Yes. CL< From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Sat Apr 9 22:40:24 2005 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Sat Apr 9 22:40:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Why can't we do gigabit ronja? Message-ID: <20050409214024.GA12121@amphibian.dyndns.org> Hi. Here's a stupid idea, please debunk it, or correct my errors: Gigabit optical hardware goes for a few hundred dollars at the moment IIRC. This obviously goes over fiber. Modern gigabit cards have to comply with strict safety rules, which specify: - You send a guide beam. This is a low power optical-band laser. This is picked up by the other side and then bounced back as a ping. I don't know exactly how this works. - If and only if we get a successful ping, the full power signal is sent. This is a powerful infrared laser, hazardous to human health. But it pings continually and if the ping cuts out the main beam is cut out in a very short period of time. So that if somebody pulls the fiber out, he will not accidentally blind himself. Government regulation at its best :). Now, all I am suggesting is this: - Why can't we just take a pair of commodity optical gigabit cards, and run them over free space, possibly with some beam widening hardware in the middle? Given the above safety mechanisms, it should be safe, right? Despite having a powerful beam? - Is the only issue alignment? Is this made easier by widening the beam? - Are the safety issues less clear cut with free space laser than they would at first appear to be? I hope that the answer is enlightening, however if you think I'm an idiot, you are entitled to ignore me. Also please don't take any of the above as authoritative - do not under any circumstances act on them without checking the real situation first! Or is the above already possible commercially for a price comparable to what would be needed above? -- Matthew J Toseland - toad@amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050409/e8e66b88/attachment.bin From anmic at fmg.sk Sun Apr 10 10:07:26 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Sun Apr 10 10:08:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 80/90mm Lenses; U53 in AUI Forte Message-ID: <001c01c53dac$be82ce80$b3ea6cc2@anmic> I've got some questions about Ronja: * Why does 80mm lenses have higher gain with the HPWT-B leds than 90mm ones? So isn't it better to use 80mm ones in Metropolis/Tetrapolis? (gains.pdf, graph 3) * I haven't found power wires for U53 (74HC04) in AUI Forte schematic. Is it all right this way or should I connect the pin 14 to +5V and the pin 7 to GND like on other ICs? Thank you for all your answers anMic From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 10 21:25:49 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Apr 10 21:23:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi postup projektu RONJA In-Reply-To: <009101c53689$16f8c9f0$d20110ac@pcA0137> References: <009101c53689$16f8c9f0$d20110ac@pcA0137> Message-ID: <20050410202549.GB25731@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 09:04:47AM +0200, Dusan Porwol wrote: [...] > Muzu vedet jak rychly bude dalsi vyvoj pojitka? Pokud by se sehnaly finance > na vyvoj? Samozrejme bychom nemohli vse hradit my. Jsme ale ochotni podporit Finance is not critical, but time is. It's hard to tell how long it will take. > takovyto vyjimecny projekt. Zajima nas hlavne verze Twisteru s autoneogation > a nasledne 100 Mbit verze. > > Pokud sezeneme penize kdy by mohla byt uvolnena verze Twisteru s > autoneogation? If you send money, it won't speed much my work on the development as I can do it currently only in free time. Currently only drilling templates for about 2800 CZK are prepared for release. >Jde poslat prispevek na konkretni modul? Chceme totiz podporit Twister s No it is not possible. And intentionally. Ronja is a complex design flow and needs to be done as whole, not picking out only parts which people would like. CL< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Apr 10 22:07:51 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Apr 10 22:07:50 2005 Subject: OT: Situace okolo cpld autoneg. interface SPIDER Re: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi postup projektu RONJA In-Reply-To: <20050410202549.GB25731@beton.cybernet.src> References: <009101c53689$16f8c9f0$d20110ac@pcA0137> <20050410202549.GB25731@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200504102307.52171.ladmanj@volny.cz> This message is in czech language only, because its target are czech ronja ml members. Co se tyce uvolneni rozhrani ala twister, ale s autonegotiation (ovsem zatim se asi moc neda uvazovat o zarazeni doprojektu ronja) v zakladni funkcni verzi visi to na tom, ze neni nikdo kdo by byl schopen dotahnout webovou prezentaci spolecne se systemem spravy zdrojaku. Je web, je forum, ale problem ze nevim jak to udelat, jinak programatori by na to mozna i byli, ale ja vlastne nevim jak bych si to predstavoval. Potrebuju nekoho, kdo mi bude schopen dat navrh, a na zaklade mych pripominek jej potom zkorigovat. Zatim vsichni byli lini a ja opravdu nevim, neni to moje parketa. Takze pokud by chtel nekdo pomoci necht mne kontaktuje. Jakub Ladman On Sunday 10 April 2005 22:25, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 09:04:47AM +0200, Dusan Porwol wrote: > [...] > > > Muzu vedet jak rychly bude dalsi vyvoj pojitka? Pokud by se sehnaly > > finance na vyvoj? Samozrejme bychom nemohli vse hradit my. Jsme ale > > ochotni podporit > > Finance is not critical, but time is. It's hard to tell how long it will > take. > > > takovyto vyjimecny projekt. Zajima nas hlavne verze Twisteru s > > autoneogation a nasledne 100 Mbit verze. > > > > Pokud sezeneme penize kdy by mohla byt uvolnena verze Twisteru s > > autoneogation? > > If you send money, it won't speed much my work on the development as I can > do it currently only in free time. Currently only drilling templates > for about 2800 CZK are prepared for release. > > >Jde poslat prispevek na konkretni modul? Chceme totiz podporit Twister s > > No it is not possible. And intentionally. Ronja is a complex design flow > and needs to be done as whole, not picking out only parts which people > would like. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Mon Apr 11 14:50:50 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Mon Apr 11 14:49:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050409180137.GA22671@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050411154931.0327f2a0@mail.net22.cz> At 18:01 9.4.2005 +0000, you wrote: >On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 12:45:40PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > > At 10:09 25.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:57:47PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > > >> At 12:03 23.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >> > > >> >> At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the > > >> >> >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as > > >well > > >> >but > > >> >> >> >am not sure. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or > > >what > > >> >> >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you > > >> >get the > > >> >> >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems > > >or > > >> >too > > >> >> >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by > > >receiving > > >> >> >> >multiple frames at a time. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >CL< > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I > > >> >will > > >> >> >> change the wire. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >Which cable? > > >> >> > > >> >> UTP cable in twister. > > >> > > > >> >No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try with a > > >> >piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in Ronja > > >> >or in rest of the system. > > >> > > > >> >CL< > > >> > > >> I did it at first. I used AUI cable + AUI<->UTP transceiver + UTP cable > > >and > > >> all worked good. > > > > > >This looks interesting. That should not probably happen unless Ronja > design > > >is buggy or your device is built wrong. > > > > > >Please don't delete the line with original description of problem. Please > > >describe it again. > > > > > >If the problem was with full duplex, did you test the wire-only setup in > > >full > > >duplex too? > > > > > >Are there any deviations from Ronja guide? > > > > > >Can you provide photos of electronics insides of your Ronja and overall > > >photo > > >of your Ronja testing setup? > > > > > >CL< > > > > > > Problem isn't in FD setting. Just NIC can't work FD that's all. Today's > > night I disconnect switch (and disconnect all PCs connected via switch). > > And connect twister into the PC NIC. Packet over 1500 works with 0% > > packetloss. Problem is, twister can't works good, when it's connected to > > the switch. I think that problem can be only with small percent of > > switches. This switch is infosmart. > >Does your switch have an auto MDI/MDIX function? >How old is the switch? > >CL< Krizit umi. Je kupovany koncem lonskeho roku. Kucik From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 11 15:00:06 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Apr 11 14:57:40 2005 Subject: OT: Situace okolo cpld autoneg. interface SPIDER Re: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi postup projektu RONJA In-Reply-To: <200504102307.52171.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <009101c53689$16f8c9f0$d20110ac@pcA0137> <20050410202549.GB25731@beton.cybernet.src> <200504102307.52171.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050411140006.GA1918@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 11:07:51PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > This message is in czech language only, because its target are czech ronja ml > members. > > Co se tyce uvolneni rozhrani ala twister, ale s autonegotiation (ovsem zatim > se asi moc neda uvazovat o zarazeni doprojektu ronja) v zakladni funkcni > verzi visi to na tom, ze neni nikdo kdo by byl schopen dotahnout webovou > prezentaci spolecne se systemem spravy zdrojaku. Why don't you just merge it into Ronja homepage? CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 11 15:05:36 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Apr 11 15:03:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050411154931.0327f2a0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050411154931.0327f2a0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050411140536.GA1935@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 03:50:50PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > At 18:01 9.4.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 12:45:40PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > >> At 10:09 25.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > >> >On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:57:47PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > >> >> At 12:03 23.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of > >the > >> >> >> >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as > >> >well > >> >> >but > >> >> >> >> >am not sure. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or > >> >what > >> >> >> >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If > >you > >> >> >get the > >> >> >> >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating > >systems > >> >or > >> >> >too > >> >> >> >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by > >> >receiving > >> >> >> >> >multiple frames at a time. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >CL< > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy > >possible. I > >> >> >will > >> >> >> >> change the wire. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Which cable? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> UTP cable in twister. > >> >> > > >> >> >No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try with > >a > >> >> >piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in > >Ronja > >> >> >or in rest of the system. > >> >> > > >> >> >CL< > >> >> > >> >> I did it at first. I used AUI cable + AUI<->UTP transceiver + UTP > >cable > >> >and > >> >> all worked good. > >> > > >> >This looks interesting. That should not probably happen unless Ronja > >design > >> >is buggy or your device is built wrong. > >> > > >> >Please don't delete the line with original description of problem. > >Please > >> >describe it again. > >> > > >> >If the problem was with full duplex, did you test the wire-only setup in > >> >full > >> >duplex too? > >> > > >> >Are there any deviations from Ronja guide? > >> > > >> >Can you provide photos of electronics insides of your Ronja and overall > >> >photo > >> >of your Ronja testing setup? > >> > > >> >CL< > >> > >> > >> Problem isn't in FD setting. Just NIC can't work FD that's all. Today's > >> night I disconnect switch (and disconnect all PCs connected via switch). > >> And connect twister into the PC NIC. Packet over 1500 works with 0% > >> packetloss. Problem is, twister can't works good, when it's connected to > >> the switch. I think that problem can be only with small percent of > >> switches. This switch is infosmart. > > > >Does your switch have an auto MDI/MDIX function? > >How old is the switch? > > > >CL< > > Krizit umi. > Je kupovany koncem lonskeho roku. Aha. So my guess is that the problem is in the switch, because other switches with auto MDI/MDIX have been reported to have similar problems. I guess that you must have obtained the switch from someone, that you probably didn't just pull it out of your ass or that you are not mining them in your garden. And I also expect that if the someone is providing them with an intention to be used in a larger system (not just as a pad to fix swinging table), that he will also provide an interface specification of the switch. So that what is written by it that are the names of the specifications that describe the RJ45 interface of the switch? I am particularly interested in a pointer to the specification that describes the auto MDI/MDIX function :) CL< > > Kucik From kucik at net22.cz Mon Apr 11 15:15:47 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Mon Apr 11 15:14:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050411140536.GA1935@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050411154931.0327f2a0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050411154931.0327f2a0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050411161350.0326eec0@mail.net22.cz> At 14:05 11.4.2005 +0000, you wrote: >On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 03:50:50PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > > At 18:01 9.4.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > > >On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 12:45:40PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > > >> At 10:09 25.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >> >On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:57:47PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > > >> >> At 12:03 23.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> >> At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of > > >the > > >> >> >> >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as > > >> >well > > >> >> >but > > >> >> >> >> >am not sure. > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP > cable or > > >> >what > > >> >> >> >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If > > >you > > >> >> >get the > > >> >> >> >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating > > >systems > > >> >or > > >> >> >too > > >> >> >> >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by > > >> >receiving > > >> >> >> >> >multiple frames at a time. > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >CL< > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy > > >possible. I > > >> >> >will > > >> >> >> >> change the wire. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >Which cable? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> UTP cable in twister. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try > with > > >a > > >> >> >piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in > > >Ronja > > >> >> >or in rest of the system. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >CL< > > >> >> > > >> >> I did it at first. I used AUI cable + AUI<->UTP transceiver + UTP > > >cable > > >> >and > > >> >> all worked good. > > >> > > > >> >This looks interesting. That should not probably happen unless Ronja > > >design > > >> >is buggy or your device is built wrong. > > >> > > > >> >Please don't delete the line with original description of problem. > > >Please > > >> >describe it again. > > >> > > > >> >If the problem was with full duplex, did you test the wire-only > setup in > > >> >full > > >> >duplex too? > > >> > > > >> >Are there any deviations from Ronja guide? > > >> > > > >> >Can you provide photos of electronics insides of your Ronja and overall > > >> >photo > > >> >of your Ronja testing setup? > > >> > > > >> >CL< > > >> > > >> > > >> Problem isn't in FD setting. Just NIC can't work FD that's all. Today's > > >> night I disconnect switch (and disconnect all PCs connected via switch). > > >> And connect twister into the PC NIC. Packet over 1500 works with 0% > > >> packetloss. Problem is, twister can't works good, when it's connected to > > >> the switch. I think that problem can be only with small percent of > > >> switches. This switch is infosmart. > > > > > >Does your switch have an auto MDI/MDIX function? > > >How old is the switch? > > > > > >CL< > > > > Krizit umi. > > Je kupovany koncem lonskeho roku. > >Aha. So my guess is that the problem is in the switch, because other >switches with auto MDI/MDIX have been reported to have similar problems. Ano uz jsem to take zjistil. Je to asi par tydnu, co jsem to tu psal. >I guess that you must have obtained the switch from someone, that you probably >didn't just pull it out of your ass or that you are not mining them in your >garden. And I also expect that if the someone is providing them with an >intention to be used in a larger system (not just as a pad to fix swinging >table), that he will also provide an interface specification of the switch. > >So that what is written by it that are the names of the specifications that >describe the RJ45 interface of the switch? I am particularly interested in a >pointer to the specification that describes the auto MDI/MDIX function :) > >CL< > > > > Kucik > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 11 16:03:53 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Apr 11 16:01:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050411161350.0326eec0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050411154931.0327f2a0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050411161350.0326eec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050411150353.GA2115@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 04:15:47PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > At 14:05 11.4.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > > >Aha. So my guess is that the problem is in the switch, because other > >switches with auto MDI/MDIX have been reported to have similar problems. > > Ano uz jsem to take zjistil. Je to asi par tydnu, co jsem to tu psal. Do you know where the auto MDI/MDX is defined? I can't find it in the IEEE 802.3 nor on the google. CL< From kucik at net22.cz Mon Apr 11 16:06:54 2005 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Mon Apr 11 16:05:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <20050411150353.GA2115@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050411161350.0326eec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050411154931.0327f2a0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050411161350.0326eec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050411170445.0324a1e0@mail.net22.cz> At 15:03 11.4.2005 +0000, you wrote: >On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 04:15:47PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > > At 14:05 11.4.2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > >Aha. So my guess is that the problem is in the switch, because other > > >switches with auto MDI/MDIX have been reported to have similar problems. > > > > Ano uz jsem to take zjistil. Je to asi par tydnu, co jsem to tu psal. > >Do you know where the auto MDI/MDX is defined? I can't find it in the IEEE >802.3 >nor on the google. > >CL< I don't know. I just find now, what the MDI/MDIX is. :-) From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Apr 11 18:15:51 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Apr 11 18:19:59 2005 Subject: OT: Situace okolo cpld autoneg. interface SPIDER Re: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi postup projektu RONJA In-Reply-To: <20050411140006.GA1918@beton.cybernet.src> References: <009101c53689$16f8c9f0$d20110ac@pcA0137> <200504102307.52171.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050411140006.GA1918@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200504111915.51259.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Monday 11 April 2005 16:00, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 11:07:51PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > This message is in czech language only, because its target are czech > > ronja ml members. > > > > Co se tyce uvolneni rozhrani ala twister, ale s autonegotiation (ovsem > > zatim se asi moc neda uvazovat o zarazeni doprojektu ronja) v zakladni > > funkcni verzi visi to na tom, ze neni nikdo kdo by byl schopen dotahnout > > webovou prezentaci spolecne se systemem spravy zdrojaku. > > Why don't you just merge it into Ronja homepage? Jak? BTW: Myslel jsem, ze je pro tebe tistak v eagle neprekonatelnou prekazkou. Jakub Ladman > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Apr 11 19:07:26 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Apr 11 19:09:55 2005 Subject: OT: Situace okolo cpld autoneg. interface SPIDER Re: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi postup projektu RONJA In-Reply-To: <200504111915.51259.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20050411140006.GA1918@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <425AD8FE.30385.BEEA6@localhost> > > > This message is in czech language only, because its target are czech > > > ronja ml members. > > > > > > Co se tyce uvolneni rozhrani ala twister, ale s autonegotiation (ovsem > > > zatim se asi moc neda uvazovat o zarazeni doprojektu ronja) v zakladni > > > funkcni verzi visi to na tom, ze neni nikdo kdo by byl schopen dotahnout > > > webovou prezentaci spolecne se systemem spravy zdrojaku. > > > > Why don't you just merge it into Ronja homepage? > Jak? > BTW: Myslel jsem, ze je pro tebe tistak v eagle neprekonatelnou prekazkou. > Jakub Ladman > > > > CL< Muzes to zatim pridat na wiki jako treba plosnaky na RX a TX od Skontorpa s upozornenim ze je to na vlastni riziko. Jeste uved jaka je to verze Eagle a pokud mozno by to mela byt freeware verze Eagle. V pripade Webpacku radeji taky. V opacnem pripade naseres jeste vic lidi nez sveho casu MRX111. Stejny problem ted resim s SMD RX plosnakem. Udelal jsem to v free Eagle 4.13. Ted cekam az prijde finalni verze plosnaku z vyroby a pak to postnu. Petr From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Apr 12 11:33:21 2005 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Apr 12 11:33:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama References: <20050411140006.GA1918@beton.cybernet.src> <425AD8FE.30385.BEEA6@localhost> Message-ID: <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo> Zdravim vsechny.. Predem se omlouvam za pripadny SPAM mailingu OT tematem.... Nedavno jsem mel spor s jednim kolegou, kde jsme se dohadovali o legalnosti pouziti RONJI. On tvrdi, ze pokud by nejaka firma chtela RONJU pouzit ve sve siti, nemuze, protoze musi pouzivat pouze schvalena zarizeni, ktere maji nejaky atest, ci neco podobneho. Ja mu tvrdil, ze RONJA je dle norem (nikoho neohrozuje atd viz: http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/legal.php) a ze si ji muze nasadit kdokoliv kamkoliv. On mi na to odvetil, ze soukroma osoba to udelat muze, ale firma proste NE !! Jak to tedy je? Vi o tom nekdo neco blizsiho?? Nebo se jen dohadujeme o kravinach? DIKY. PS: pokud Clocku uznas, ze je to zajimava poznamka, dopln to prosim na stranky. Diky. From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Apr 12 12:21:48 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Apr 12 12:22:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama References: <20050411140006.GA1918@beton.cybernet.src><425AD8FE.30385.BEEA6@localhost> <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <000701c53f51$d1354fc0$3701a8c0@duhasys.brno> Uz se to tu nekdy resilo. Pro sebe si muzu udelat co chci. Firma pro sebe si muze taky udelat co chce. (samozrejme na vlastni nebezpeci) Ale pokud to firma chce prodavat, tak potrebuje vydat minimalne prohlaseni o shode (Zarizeni odpovida platnym normam a narizenim vlady bla bla bla). Prohlaseni o shode je nejlepe mit podlozene vysledky z nejake statni zkusebny. Nevim, jak je to presne s EMC, protoze RONJA nema zadne radiove casti, ovsem muze rusit nebo byt rusena, takze asi nejake premereni bude potreba. Hygienicke normy atd. ma clock na strankach tusim uvedene. Jedna se o klasicky vyrobek, ktery se uvadi na trh. Jestli je GPL nebo ne, nehraje v tuto chvili roli. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslav Mixa" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama > Zdravim vsechny.. > Predem se omlouvam za pripadny SPAM mailingu OT tematem.... > > Nedavno jsem mel spor s jednim kolegou, kde jsme se dohadovali o legalnosti > pouziti RONJI. > > On tvrdi, ze pokud by nejaka firma chtela RONJU pouzit ve sve siti, nemuze, > protoze musi pouzivat pouze schvalena zarizeni, ktere maji nejaky atest, ci > neco podobneho. > Ja mu tvrdil, ze RONJA je dle norem (nikoho neohrozuje atd viz: > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/legal.php) a ze si ji muze nasadit > kdokoliv kamkoliv. > > On mi na to odvetil, ze soukroma osoba to udelat muze, ale firma proste NE > !! > Jak to tedy je? Vi o tom nekdo neco blizsiho?? > > Nebo se jen dohadujeme o kravinach? > > DIKY. > > PS: pokud Clocku uznas, ze je to zajimava poznamka, dopln to prosim na > stranky. Diky. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at beton.cybernet.src Tue Apr 12 12:32:52 2005 From: clock at beton.cybernet.src (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 12 12:30:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama In-Reply-To: <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <20050411140006.GA1918@beton.cybernet.src> <425AD8FE.30385.BEEA6@localhost> <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20050412113252.GB5708@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:33:21PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Zdravim vsechny.. > Predem se omlouvam za pripadny SPAM mailingu OT tematem.... > > Nedavno jsem mel spor s jednim kolegou, kde jsme se dohadovali o legalnosti > pouziti RONJI. > > On tvrdi, ze pokud by nejaka firma chtela RONJU pouzit ve sve siti, nemuze, > protoze musi pouzivat pouze schvalena zarizeni, ktere maji nejaky atest, ci > neco podobneho. > Ja mu tvrdil, ze RONJA je dle norem (nikoho neohrozuje atd viz: > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/legal.php) a ze si ji muze nasadit > kdokoliv kamkoliv. > > On mi na to odvetil, ze soukroma osoba to udelat muze, ale firma proste NE > !! > Jak to tedy je? Vi o tom nekdo neco blizsiho?? > > Nebo se jen dohadujeme o kravinach? > > DIKY. > > PS: pokud Clocku uznas, ze je to zajimava poznamka, dopln to prosim na > stranky. Diky. This remark doesn't seem to contain any information. If you find a pointer to some law whichdescribes these things, I'll add it to the page. CL< From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Apr 12 15:31:39 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Apr 12 15:31:47 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama References: <20050411140006.GA1918@beton.cybernet.src><425AD8FE.30385.BEEA6@localhost> <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <001a01c53f6c$570fd380$0101a8c0@cz> Mas zcela pravdu. Firma to muze vyrabet, ale nesmi prodavat jako koncove telek. zarizeni (viz zakon z roku 2000). Firma to muze pro sebe vyrobit, ale nesmi to pouzit (viz novej zakon z 1.5.2005..uz podepsanej prezidentem). Soukroma osoba si to muze vyrobit, ale nesmi skrze to hnat data, ktera nejsou urcena pro jeho vlastni sit LAN. (viz novej zakon z 1.5.2005) Novej telekomunikacni zakon: Muzes se do nej podivat na: http://www.micr.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=2222 Proc tak, je to jednoduche. Zarizeni musi splnovat EMC (4 zkusebny v CZE) a mit od zkusebny papir (muze byt i zahranicni v ramci EU). Musi splnovat elektricke normy, nejlepe kdyz ti to nekdo udela s vyhlaskou 50 a paragrafem 8, jen takovej clovek ti na to muze dat glejt, ze po elektricke strance je zarizeni v poradku. To jsou dva zakladni predpoklady, aby si to mohl legalne pouzit v siti. Bohuzel, novej zakon chce od vyrobce jeste jednu vec (uz mate jen 2 mesice free pauzu). A to homologaci dle ETSI norem a tuto homologaci chce predevsim CTU. Bohuzel....i kdyz jde jen o FSO. A proc, no protoze toto zarizeni JE radiove zarizeni. Vice GL - 18/1997 z 24.cervna 1997. Kde se hovori mimo jine o tom, ze radiove zarizeni ja takove, ktere presahuje (intensita pole) tyto "vyzarovaci normy" : .... 15kHz-135kHz pri 200kHz bandu ..... 65dBuV na 30m 135kHz-30MHz pri 9kHz bandu .... 34dBuV na 30m 47-74MHz pri 120kHz bandu .... 2nW 87.5-118MHz pri 120kHz bandu .... 4nW 174-230MHz pri 120kHz bandu ... 2nW 470-862MHz pri 120kHz bandu .... 2nW ostatni do 1000MHz pri 120kHz bandu .... 2nW pri prijmu / 250nW pri vysilani ostatni nad 1000MHz pri 1MHz bandu ..... 1uW pri vysilani / 20nW pri prijmu. .... Pokud jakejkoliv vyrobek presahne tyto hodnoty tak se to automaticky presouva do radiovych zarizeni. Napriklad se tady prodava (na cerno) zarizeni PLC....data (LAN) po napeti 230V~. Prodejce ma papir na schvaleni, ale jen po "elektrikarske" strance. Avsak, ze to na KV zari az do vzdalenosti 200m na to zapominaj. A na zarizeni PLC zatim v republice nema zadne schvaleni ( a taky ho mit nemuze, v Zeneve ITU to bude resit az v Cervnu). Jelikoz jsem postavil Ronju, tak vim, ze na KV bandu to presahuje 34dBuV na 30m, takze Ronja je radiove zarizeni. Dalsi veci je ta, ze jelikoz vim jak se destuje zarizeni na EMC, tak jsem si to ve sve dilne odzkousel. Ronja by neprosla. I kdyz staci drobna uprava ( v podstate v kabelazi) a intro EMC by splnila. Ale jak se rika, kde neni zalobce...neni ani soudce. Tak to udelej...sice na cerno, ale tak nejak po tobe nikdo nepujde, kdyz s tim nebudes rusit. Ronja by akorat prosla na onen zakon ohledne neionizujiciho zareni. Cus -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslav Mixa" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama > Zdravim vsechny.. > Predem se omlouvam za pripadny SPAM mailingu OT tematem.... > > Nedavno jsem mel spor s jednim kolegou, kde jsme se dohadovali o legalnosti > pouziti RONJI. > > On tvrdi, ze pokud by nejaka firma chtela RONJU pouzit ve sve siti, nemuze, > protoze musi pouzivat pouze schvalena zarizeni, ktere maji nejaky atest, ci > neco podobneho. > Ja mu tvrdil, ze RONJA je dle norem (nikoho neohrozuje atd viz: > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/legal.php) a ze si ji muze nasadit > kdokoliv kamkoliv. > > On mi na to odvetil, ze soukroma osoba to udelat muze, ale firma proste NE > !! > Jak to tedy je? Vi o tom nekdo neco blizsiho?? > > Nebo se jen dohadujeme o kravinach? > > DIKY. > > PS: pokud Clocku uznas, ze je to zajimava poznamka, dopln to prosim na > stranky. Diky. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Pr?choz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry. > Zkontrolov?no Antivirov?m syst?mem AVG. > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.6 - datum vyd?n?: 11.4.2005 > > -- Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. Zkontrolov?no Antivirov?m syst?mem AVG. Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.6 - datum vyd?n?: 11.4.2005 From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Apr 12 16:59:26 2005 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Apr 12 16:59:28 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama In-Reply-To: <001a01c53f6c$570fd380$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo> <001a01c53f6c$570fd380$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050412155926.GA31519@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 04:31:39PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Bohuzel, novej zakon chce od vyrobce jeste jednu vec (uz mate jen 2 mesice > free pauzu). > A to homologaci dle ETSI norem a tuto homologaci chce predevsim CTU. > Bohuzel....i kdyz jde jen o FSO. > A proc, no protoze toto zarizeni JE radiove zarizeni. > Vice GL - 18/1997 z 24.cervna 1997. > Kde se hovori mimo jine o tom, ze radiove zarizeni ja takove, ktere > presahuje (intensita pole) tyto "vyzarovaci normy" : > Uplne do toho nevidim, ale tebou odkazovany novy telekomunikacni zakon (paragraf 73 odstavec 3) definuje radiove zarizeni jinak (vyrobek umoznujici komunikaci pomoci radiovych vln - coz Ronja neni). -- Ondrej Zajicek From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Apr 12 17:31:29 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Apr 12 17:31:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama References: <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo><001a01c53f6c$570fd380$0101a8c0@cz> <20050412155926.GA31519@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <000901c53f7d$15ec5980$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> No je to zakon o elektronicke komunikaci ... Vzhledem k tomu, ze na zacatku rozlisuje prenos signalu po vedeni, radiem, optickymi nebo jinymi elektromagnetickymi prostredky, tak bych FSO opravdu nepovazoval za radiove zarizeni. To, ze to nekde neco vyzaruje, je vada, vedlejsi efekt, ktery neplni funkci pristroje - samozrejme je potreba tento efekt odstranit. No, a i kdyby bylo vsechno spatne, kde je problem prodat tistak, soucastky a praci? :-D Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Zajicek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama > On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 04:31:39PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Bohuzel, novej zakon chce od vyrobce jeste jednu vec (uz mate jen 2 mesice > > free pauzu). > > A to homologaci dle ETSI norem a tuto homologaci chce predevsim CTU. > > Bohuzel....i kdyz jde jen o FSO. > > > A proc, no protoze toto zarizeni JE radiove zarizeni. > > Vice GL - 18/1997 z 24.cervna 1997. > > Kde se hovori mimo jine o tom, ze radiove zarizeni ja takove, ktere > > presahuje (intensita pole) tyto "vyzarovaci normy" : > > > > Uplne do toho nevidim, ale tebou odkazovany novy > telekomunikacni zakon (paragraf 73 odstavec 3) > definuje radiove zarizeni jinak (vyrobek umoznujici komunikaci > pomoci radiovych vln - coz Ronja neni). > > -- > Ondrej Zajicek > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 12 17:54:25 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 12 17:51:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama In-Reply-To: <001a01c53f6c$570fd380$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo> <001a01c53f6c$570fd380$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050412165425.GA7272@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 04:31:39PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Mas zcela pravdu. > Firma to muze vyrabet, ale nesmi prodavat jako koncove telek. zarizeni (viz > zakon z roku 2000). > Firma to muze pro sebe vyrobit, ale nesmi to pouzit (viz novej zakon z > 1.5.2005..uz podepsanej prezidentem). > Soukroma osoba si to muze vyrobit, ale nesmi skrze to hnat data, ktera > nejsou urcena pro jeho vlastni sit LAN. Myslis soukromnik podnikajici? Zakon jsem zbezne procetl a nic, co by nejak timto zpusobem omezovalo nepodnikajici soukrome osoby jsem nenasel. Mimochodem ten zakon je pekna sracka. Napriklad se tam mluvi o vlastnictvi elektronicke adresy, coz je blbost. Pravni rad CR neumoznuje vlastnit retezec znaku. A vubec cele je to navrzene tak jako najezd na Velkeho Bratra. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 12 18:03:26 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 12 18:01:01 2005 Subject: OT: Situace okolo cpld autoneg. interface SPIDER Re: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi postup projektu RONJA In-Reply-To: <200504111915.51259.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <009101c53689$16f8c9f0$d20110ac@pcA0137> <200504102307.52171.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050411140006.GA1918@beton.cybernet.src> <200504111915.51259.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20050412170326.GA7427@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 07:15:51PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Monday 11 April 2005 16:00, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 11:07:51PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > This message is in czech language only, because its target are czech > > > ronja ml members. > > > > > > Co se tyce uvolneni rozhrani ala twister, ale s autonegotiation (ovsem > > > zatim se asi moc neda uvazovat o zarazeni doprojektu ronja) v zakladni > > > funkcni verzi visi to na tom, ze neni nikdo kdo by byl schopen dotahnout > > > webovou prezentaci spolecne se systemem spravy zdrojaku. > > > > Why don't you just merge it into Ronja homepage? > Jak? > BTW: Myslel jsem, ze je pro tebe tistak v eagle neprekonatelnou prekazkou. > Jakub Ladman It is, of course. Cadsoft can for example revoke the free version tomorrow without noticing anyone. You can rewrite it into gEDA and then merge without problems. I have written a hint how to install gEDA on Gentoo: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GedaUnderGentoo CL< From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Apr 12 18:36:50 2005 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Apr 12 18:35:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama References: <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo><001a01c53f6c$570fd380$0101a8c0@cz> <20050412165425.GA7272@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001901c53f86$370fb130$d203a8c0@diablo> Jeeee Clocku, ty taky umis psat cesky?? :))) Ne ze bych nezvladal AJ, ale jsme v ni jen stredne pokrocily :/ 2 ALL: diky za osvetu....... Proctu to a pokusim se optat pravnicky. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama > On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 04:31:39PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Mas zcela pravdu. > > Firma to muze vyrabet, ale nesmi prodavat jako koncove telek. zarizeni (viz > > zakon z roku 2000). > > Firma to muze pro sebe vyrobit, ale nesmi to pouzit (viz novej zakon z > > 1.5.2005..uz podepsanej prezidentem). > > Soukroma osoba si to muze vyrobit, ale nesmi skrze to hnat data, ktera > > nejsou urcena pro jeho vlastni sit LAN. > Myslis soukromnik podnikajici? Zakon jsem zbezne procetl a nic, co by nejak > timto zpusobem omezovalo nepodnikajici soukrome osoby jsem nenasel. > > Mimochodem ten zakon je pekna sracka. Napriklad se tam mluvi o vlastnictvi > elektronicke adresy, coz je blbost. Pravni rad CR neumoznuje vlastnit > retezec znaku. > > A vubec cele je to navrzene tak jako najezd na Velkeho Bratra. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Apr 12 18:57:49 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Apr 12 18:57:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama References: <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo><001a01c53f6c$570fd380$0101a8c0@cz> <20050412165425.GA7272@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000c01c53f89$24374ac0$0101a8c0@cz> Karle, tentokrat s tebou musim plne souhlasit. Novej telekomunikacni zakon je slatatina slatanin. Pred tim tu byl ten z roku 2000 a pred tim z roku 1992, kterej jakztakz byl dobrej. U neho si alespon vedel na cem si. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama > On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 04:31:39PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Mas zcela pravdu. > > Firma to muze vyrabet, ale nesmi prodavat jako koncove telek. zarizeni (viz > > zakon z roku 2000). > > Firma to muze pro sebe vyrobit, ale nesmi to pouzit (viz novej zakon z > > 1.5.2005..uz podepsanej prezidentem). > > Soukroma osoba si to muze vyrobit, ale nesmi skrze to hnat data, ktera > > nejsou urcena pro jeho vlastni sit LAN. > Myslis soukromnik podnikajici? Zakon jsem zbezne procetl a nic, co by nejak > timto zpusobem omezovalo nepodnikajici soukrome osoby jsem nenasel. > > Mimochodem ten zakon je pekna sracka. Napriklad se tam mluvi o vlastnictvi > elektronicke adresy, coz je blbost. Pravni rad CR neumoznuje vlastnit > retezec znaku. > > A vubec cele je to navrzene tak jako najezd na Velkeho Bratra. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Prichozi zprava neobsahuje viry. > Zkontrolovano Antivirovym systemem AVG. > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virova baze: 266.9.7 - datum vydani: 12.4.2005 > > -- Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. Zkontrolov?no Antivirov?m syst?mem AVG. Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.7 - datum vyd?n?: 12.4.2005 From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Apr 12 19:00:03 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Apr 12 19:00:08 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama References: <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo><001a01c53f6c$570fd380$0101a8c0@cz><20050412165425.GA7272@beton.cybernet.src> <001901c53f86$370fb130$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <001501c53f89$740ff740$0101a8c0@cz> Jardo a vis kam nas nove telekomunikacni zakony vedou? Jsem videl takovej ukazkovej film...... Brazil . -=RYS=- PS: mozna emigrujem.....do islamskejch zemi.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslav Mixa" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama > Jeeee Clocku, ty taky umis psat cesky?? :))) > Ne ze bych nezvladal AJ, ale jsme v ni jen stredne pokrocily :/ > > 2 ALL: diky za osvetu....... > Proctu to a pokusim se optat pravnicky. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama > > > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 04:31:39PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Mas zcela pravdu. > > > Firma to muze vyrabet, ale nesmi prodavat jako koncove telek. zarizeni > (viz > > > zakon z roku 2000). > > > Firma to muze pro sebe vyrobit, ale nesmi to pouzit (viz novej zakon z > > > 1.5.2005..uz podepsanej prezidentem). > > > Soukroma osoba si to muze vyrobit, ale nesmi skrze to hnat data, ktera > > > nejsou urcena pro jeho vlastni sit LAN. > > Myslis soukromnik podnikajici? Zakon jsem zbezne procetl a nic, co by > nejak > > timto zpusobem omezovalo nepodnikajici soukrome osoby jsem nenasel. > > > > Mimochodem ten zakon je pekna sracka. Napriklad se tam mluvi o vlastnictvi > > elektronicke adresy, coz je blbost. Pravni rad CR neumoznuje vlastnit > > retezec znaku. > > > > A vubec cele je to navrzene tak jako najezd na Velkeho Bratra. > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Pr?choz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry. > Zkontrolov?no Antivirov?m syst?mem AVG. > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.7 - datum vyd?n?: 12.4.2005 > > -- Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. Zkontrolov?no Antivirov?m syst?mem AVG. Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.7 - datum vyd?n?: 12.4.2005 From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Apr 12 19:14:00 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Apr 12 19:14:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama References: <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo><001a01c53f6c$570fd380$0101a8c0@cz> <20050412165425.GA7272@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000f01c53f8b$685da9e0$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> No toho jsem si taky vsiml, ze je nejak vynechana soukroma osoba - obcan. Vsude je nejake podnikani apod. Takze sousedske site mohou byt vysmate :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama > Myslis soukromnik podnikajici? Zakon jsem zbezne procetl a nic, co by nejak > timto zpusobem omezovalo nepodnikajici soukrome osoby jsem nenasel. > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Apr 12 19:51:56 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Apr 12 19:53:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PL pri vetsich paketech Message-ID: <1283300333.20050412205156@volny.cz> Zdravim, po nekolika mesicich provozu zacala jedna linka vypadavat pri vetsich paketech. Nez se na to pujdu podivat, tak se ptam, mate nekdo zkusenost s tim, ze je to znak spatne zamerene (uhnute) linky? Ondra From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Apr 12 21:32:32 2005 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Apr 12 21:31:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama References: <000f01c53f4b$2e3d17e0$d203a8c0@diablo><001a01c53f6c$570fd380$0101a8c0@cz><20050412165425.GA7272@beton.cybernet.src><001901c53f86$370fb130$d203a8c0@diablo> <001501c53f89$740ff740$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <001f01c53f9e$c203d1a0$d203a8c0@diablo> Mas pravdu a nejen s telco zakonem... Kdyz chce clovek zacit podnikat, nase zakony mu v tom primo brani, nez aby ho podporili... Fakt je to nechutny. Obcas si rikam, ze ta EU prinesla spis negativni veci, nez pozitivni. Ale to uz jsme trosku nekde jinde, nez u RONJI ;-) A nemas nahodou ten filmecek? Nebo aspon jak se jmenoval (na netu bych ho urcite nekde nasel). PS: aby tenhle prispevek nebyl totalne OT, tak nejaka zminka o RONJE. Jiste je to supr vecicka ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama > Jardo a vis kam nas nove telekomunikacni zakony vedou? > > Jsem videl takovej ukazkovej film...... Brazil . > > -=RYS=- > > PS: mozna emigrujem.....do islamskejch zemi.... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jaroslav Mixa" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama > > > > Jeeee Clocku, ty taky umis psat cesky?? :))) > > Ne ze bych nezvladal AJ, ale jsme v ni jen stredne pokrocily :/ > > > > 2 ALL: diky za osvetu....... > > Proctu to a pokusim se optat pravnicky. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA a pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 04:31:39PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > Mas zcela pravdu. > > > > Firma to muze vyrabet, ale nesmi prodavat jako koncove telek. zarizeni > > (viz > > > > zakon z roku 2000). > > > > Firma to muze pro sebe vyrobit, ale nesmi to pouzit (viz novej zakon z > > > > 1.5.2005..uz podepsanej prezidentem). > > > > Soukroma osoba si to muze vyrobit, ale nesmi skrze to hnat data, kte ra > > > > nejsou urcena pro jeho vlastni sit LAN. > > > Myslis soukromnik podnikajici? Zakon jsem zbezne procetl a nic, co by > > nejak > > > timto zpusobem omezovalo nepodnikajici soukrome osoby jsem nenasel. > > > > > > Mimochodem ten zakon je pekna sracka. Napriklad se tam mluvi o > vlastnictvi > > > elektronicke adresy, coz je blbost. Pravni rad CR neumoznuje vlastnit > > > retezec znaku. > > > > > > A vubec cele je to navrzene tak jako najezd na Velkeho Bratra. > > > > > > CL< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > -- > > Pr?choz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry. > > Zkontrolov?no Antivirov?m syst?mem AVG. > > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.7 - datum vyd?n?: 12.4.2005 > > > > > > > > -- > Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. > Zkontrolov?no Antivirov?m syst?mem AVG. > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.7 - datum vyd?n?: 12.4.2005 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladislav at rudolf.cz Tue Apr 12 23:51:40 2005 From: ladislav at rudolf.cz (Ladislav Rudolf) Date: Tue Apr 12 23:51:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. Message-ID: <002201c53fb2$3231a4d0$6400000a@a050926e> Zdravim vsechny, doufam ze nebudu hned nekomu trnem v oku jsem novacek, tak bych se chtel optat zda-li je tu nekdo schopen mi jednu ronju opravit, co vim tak optika je v pohode, bude to asik v interfacu bo pres to nepreleze vic jak 128kbps. Nesetkal se nekdo s timto problem, popripade je nekdo schopny toto opravit, samozrejme ze to nechci zadarmo dekuji za vas cas. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050413/7c70dff7/attachment.htm From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Apr 13 07:11:49 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Apr 13 07:11:56 2005 Subject: OT: Situace okolo cpld autoneg. interface SPIDER Re: [Ronja] Re: Dalsi postup projektu RONJA In-Reply-To: <20050412170326.GA7427@beton.cybernet.src> References: <009101c53689$16f8c9f0$d20110ac@pcA0137> <200504111915.51259.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20050412170326.GA7427@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200504130811.49808.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Tuesday 12 April 2005 19:03, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 07:15:51PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > On Monday 11 April 2005 16:00, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 11:07:51PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > > This message is in czech language only, because its target are czech > > > > ronja ml members. > > > > > > > > Co se tyce uvolneni rozhrani ala twister, ale s autonegotiation > > > > (ovsem zatim se asi moc neda uvazovat o zarazeni doprojektu ronja) v > > > > zakladni funkcni verzi visi to na tom, ze neni nikdo kdo by byl > > > > schopen dotahnout webovou prezentaci spolecne se systemem spravy > > > > zdrojaku. > > > > > > Why don't you just merge it into Ronja homepage? > > > > Jak? > > BTW: Myslel jsem, ze je pro tebe tistak v eagle neprekonatelnou > > prekazkou. Jakub Ladman > > It is, of course. Cadsoft can for example revoke the free version tomorrow > without noticing anyone. Mysl??, ?e se takov? v?c m??e vstahovat na u? nainstalovan? verze a verze v?bec roz???en? po internetu? Jako ?e kdy? se v cadsoftu rozhodnou, ?e u? nebudou poskytovat free verzi (co? by byli blb?, proto?e je to jejich prezentace, ale to ne?e?me), ?e od t? doby bude neleg?ln? pou??vat star?? verzi, kter? ve free m?du funguje? Samoz?ejm? v takov? situaci se ty bude? sm?t, ?e pou??v?? super-hyper-aktu?ln? nejnov?j?? verzi gschem a pcb a bude? m?t ka?dop?dn? p??stup k bugfixum atd. > Ka?dop?dn? stejn? probl?m je s s n?stroji pro p?elo?en? verilogu na data p?liteln? do cpld, ty jsou free k pou?it?, pro xilinxe jenom nav?c pod wokna (ikdy? ve wine b???), od altery ?dajn? i pod linux, ale nejsou a odhaduji nikdy nebudou OS, mo?n? se najde n?kdo kdo nap??e n?jakou alternativu, ale vzhledem k tomu, ?e jsem nena?el ni?eho ani prvn? je?t? ?pln? blbou verzi, tak si mysl?m, ?e to asi bude ka?dop?dn? dlouho trvat. > You can rewrite it into gEDA and then merge without problems. > I have written a hint how to install gEDA on Gentoo: > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GedaUnderGentoo J? to ale um?m nainstalovat a m?m to nainstalovan?, j? to neum?m pou??vat. Nav?c je pro mne asi nep?ekonatelnou p?ek??kou to, ?e knihovn? objekt nenese z?rove? informaci o schematick? zna??ce i pouzdru - mysl?m t?m jednou vybrat sou??stku z knihovny a ona se objev? jako symbol ve schematu, ale z?rove? taky jej? pouzdro v layoutu. Nav?c, ale uzn?v?m ?e to nemus? b?t nakonec v?bec pravda, mi ovl?d?n? gschem a pcb (ale hlavn? gschem) p?ijde zna?n? neergonomick?. Pravda vyz?val jsi m? abych to autor?m napsal do mailing listu a j? se na to vybodl, ale fakt jsem nem?l chu? p?emej?let, jak v?echny svoje n?zory napsat v angli?tin?. Nav?c m? ten ml sral, tak jsem ho odhl?sil. Jakub PS: Jak jsem napsal, budu r?d, kdy? n?kdo toho schopn?, to p?ekresl? s pou?it?m zmi?ovan?ch opensource n?stroj?. PSII: Nemysl?m si ?e je rozumnou podm?nkou v?voje open projektu, pou??vat pouze open n?stroje, je to toti? stra?n? brzda. Ka?dop?dn? by m?ly b?t free, to je jasn?. To je jako bys ?ekl, ?e ronju nem??e? vyv?jet na p?j?en?m po??ta?i, do kter?ho nem?? pr?vo po hw str?nce zasahovat, ale to nen? pravda, prost? ho vyu??t m??e?. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Apr 13 13:13:55 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Apr 13 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. References: <002201c53fb2$3231a4d0$6400000a@a050926e> Message-ID: <003001c54022$436538a0$0101a8c0@cz> Zde byl um?st?n nep?ijateln? obsah typu: multipart/alternative------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. Zkontrolov?no Antivirov?m syst?mem AVG. Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.7 - datum vyd?n?: 12.4.2005 From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Apr 13 20:55:54 2005 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Apr 13 20:57:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. In-Reply-To: <002201c53fb2$3231a4d0$6400000a@a050926e> References: <002201c53fb2$3231a4d0$6400000a@a050926e> Message-ID: <18510158905.20050413215554@volny.cz> Zdravim, dle zkusenosti Ronja bud jede nebo ne. Pak jeste muze mit packetloss, coz je problem v opticke trase. A nebo muze mit problem s malou rychlosti, treba jen v jednom smeru, coz je zpusobeno spatnym nastaveni fullduplexu. Ondra LR> Zdravim vsechny, doufam ze nebudu hned nekomu trnem v oku jsem novacek, tak bych se chtel optat zda-li je tu nekdo schopen mi jednu ronju opravit, co vim tak optika je v pohode, bude to asik v LR> interfacu bo pres to nepreleze vic jak 128kbps. Nesetkal se nekdo s timto problem, popripade je nekdo schopny toto opravit, samozrejme ze to nechci zadarmo dekuji za vas cas. From ladislav at rudolf.cz Wed Apr 13 21:01:07 2005 From: ladislav at rudolf.cz (Ladislav Rudolf) Date: Wed Apr 13 21:26:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. References: <002201c53fb2$3231a4d0$6400000a@a050926e> <003001c54022$436538a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <00cc01c54067$1750fd40$6400000a@a050926e> rad bych se kouknul ale kam ? muzes se trosku vice rozepsat mam to fakt pod rukama poprve v zivote ----- Original Message ----- From: -=RYS=- To: Twibright Ronja Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. Lado zkus se nejdrive podivat na problem HD bod A / FD bod B apod. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Ladislav Rudolf To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:51 AM Subject: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. Zdravim vsechny, doufam ze nebudu hned nekomu trnem v oku jsem novacek, tak bych se chtel optat zda-li je tu nekdo schopen mi jednu ronju opravit, co vim tak optika je v pohode, bude to asik v interfacu bo pres to nepreleze vic jak 128kbps. 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Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.7 - datum vyd?n?: 12.4.2005 __________ NOD32 1.1059 (20050412) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja __________ NOD32 1.1059 (20050412) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050413/d95a3644/attachment.htm From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Apr 14 07:25:12 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Thu Apr 14 07:27:55 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. In-Reply-To: <00cc01c54067$1750fd40$6400000a@a050926e> Message-ID: <425E28E8.17513.9C09A@localhost> Na obou pocitacich kde testujes nastav v ovladacich panelech/ site/ adapter/rychlosat na auto, autonegotiation nebo podobne (windows). RX a TX dej cca 50cm od sebe a mezi oba pary dej nejakou prekazku (sesity, prkno, apod) aby opacne smery na sebe navzajem nevidely - mohlo se to rusit. Pak by to melo jet. Kdyz ne, tak si porid propojaci kabel twister-twister, 4pinovy se zamkem na U53. Zapojeni A - B 1 - 1 2 - 3 3 - 2 4 - 4 napajeni se pripoji jen k jednomu twisteru a otestuj to jeste jednou. A pak dej vedet. Petr > > rad bych se kouknul ale kam ? muzes se trosku vice rozepsat mam to fakt pod rukama poprve v > zivote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: -=RYS=- > To: Twibright Ronja > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. > > Lado zkus se nejdrive podivat na problem HD bod A / FD bod B apod. > > Martin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ladislav Rudolf > To: ronja@lists.pointless.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:51 AM > Subject: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. > > Zdravim vsechny, doufam ze nebudu hned nekomu trnem v oku jsem novacek, tak bych se chtel > optat zda-li je tu nekdo schopen mi jednu ronju opravit, co vim tak optika je v pohode, bude to asik > v interfacu bo pres to nepreleze vic jak 128kbps. Nesetkal se nekdo s timto problem, popripade je > nekdo schopny toto opravit, samozrejme ze to nechci zadarmo dekuji za vas cas. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > P ?choz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry. > Zkontrolov?no Antivirov m syst?mem AVG. > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.7 - datum vyd?n?: 12.4.2005 > > > __________ NOD32 1.1059 (20050412) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. > Zkontrolov?no Antivirov m syst?mem AVG. > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.7 - datum vyd?n?: 12.4.2005 > > > __________ NOD32 1.1059 (20050412) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > __________ NOD32 1.1059 (20050412) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > From ladislav at rudolf.cz Thu Apr 14 11:07:33 2005 From: ladislav at rudolf.cz (Ladislav Rudolf) Date: Thu Apr 14 11:07:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. References: <425E28E8.17513.9C09A@localhost> Message-ID: <000b01c540d9$c6c1d5c0$6400000a@a050926e> Ok dik, zkusim to jen predesilam ze tan ronja byla kdysi funkcni resp. ji vyrabel airborne jestli ho znas, pak zacla delat to co jsem popisoval a od te doby je to takhle.Ale zkusim to co rikas a uvidim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. Na obou pocitacich kde testujes nastav v ovladacich panelech/ site/ adapter/rychlosat na auto, autonegotiation nebo podobne (windows). RX a TX dej cca 50cm od sebe a mezi oba pary dej nejakou prekazku (sesity, prkno, apod) aby opacne smery na sebe navzajem nevidely - mohlo se to rusit. Pak by to melo jet. Kdyz ne, tak si porid propojaci kabel twister-twister, 4pinovy se zamkem na U53. Zapojeni A - B 1 - 1 2 - 3 3 - 2 4 - 4 napajeni se pripoji jen k jednomu twisteru a otestuj to jeste jednou. A pak dej vedet. Petr > > rad bych se kouknul ale kam ? muzes se trosku vice rozepsat mam to fakt > pod rukama poprve v > zivote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: -=RYS=- > To: Twibright Ronja > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. > > Lado zkus se nejdrive podivat na problem HD bod A / FD bod B apod. > > Martin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ladislav Rudolf > To: ronja@lists.pointless.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:51 AM > Subject: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. > > Zdravim vsechny, doufam ze nebudu hned nekomu trnem v oku jsem novacek, > tak bych se chtel > optat zda-li je tu nekdo schopen mi jednu ronju opravit, co vim tak optika > je v pohode, bude to asik > v interfacu bo pres to nepreleze vic jak 128kbps. Nesetkal se nekdo s > timto problem, popripade je > nekdo schopny toto opravit, samozrejme ze to nechci zadarmo dekuji za vas > cas. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > P ?choz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry. > Zkontrolov?no Antivirov m syst?mem AVG. > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.7 - datum vyd?n?: 12.4.2005 > > > __________ NOD32 1.1059 (20050412) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. > Zkontrolov?no Antivirov m syst?mem AVG. > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.7 - datum vyd?n?: 12.4.2005 > > > __________ NOD32 1.1059 (20050412) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > __________ NOD32 1.1059 (20050412) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja __________ NOD32 1.1060 (20050414) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From jakub.michnik at centrum.cz Thu Apr 14 14:57:04 2005 From: jakub.michnik at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk?=) Date: Thu Apr 14 15:44:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ztrata bytu Message-ID: zdravim, postavil sem 2 tvistry, a fungovali. ted mesic lezili na skrini a opet sem je vytahl abych je moh nainstalovat ... boduzel neprochazeji pingy .... kdyz zapojim jenom jednoho na loopback, tak se mi bajty hezky vraci ( sledovano na stavu site ve win xp) ..... prijate sou sice + - o 500 pozadu, ale to i u fungujiciho kusu. kdyz nastavim loopback na vystupu, tak ze spojim Tx a Rx tak sice sem tam naky bajt projde, ale neni to vic nez .. 20 % odelanych dat ..... nevite cim to muze byt???? ping pres to pochopitelne neprojde.... kde se muzou data ztracet? From ladislav at rudolf.cz Thu Apr 14 15:48:19 2005 From: ladislav at rudolf.cz (Ladislav Rudolf) Date: Thu Apr 14 15:48:19 2005 Subject: Fw: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. Message-ID: <005d01c54101$00009ca0$6400000a@a050926e> > Tahle ronja kdysi fungovala vyrabel ji airborne ale pak to nechtel neak > dal opravit a zustalo to nefunkcni, zkusim neake rady od Ryse ale nevim > spis to vidim beznadejne :(, spis jsem myslel kdyby se nasel nekdo kdo by > se na to kouknul a opravil to > > Ladous > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ondrej Tesar" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. > > >> Zdravim, >> dle zkusenosti Ronja bud jede nebo ne. >> Pak jeste muze mit packetloss, coz je problem v opticke trase. >> A nebo muze mit problem s malou rychlosti, treba jen v jednom smeru, >> coz je zpusobeno spatnym nastaveni fullduplexu. >> >> Ondra >> >> LR> Zdravim vsechny, doufam ze nebudu hned nekomu trnem v oku jsem >> novacek, tak bych se chtel optat zda-li je tu nekdo schopen mi jednu >> ronju opravit, co vim tak optika je v pohode, bude to asik v >> LR> interfacu bo pres to nepreleze vic jak 128kbps. Nesetkal se nekdo s >> timto problem, popripade je nekdo schopny toto opravit, samozrejme ze to >> nechci zadarmo dekuji za vas cas. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1.1059 (20050412) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.nod32.com >> >> > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Apr 14 21:44:00 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Apr 14 21:44:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu References: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> Tak jsem to vyzkou=9Ael s twisterem. Mimo nastaven=ED 10 Mbps je je=9At=EC pot=F8eba vypnout autonegotiation. Tak=9Ee =9Alusnout pin 104 (disable auto..) a 107 (10Mbps). Tohle je pro jeden port - nula, na tom 5 portov=E9m Dexlanu je to z=E1suv= ka ozna=E8en=E1 =E8=EDslem 1. Na tomto dexlanu nen=ED vyvedena ledka na pinu 107, tak=9Ee je to sadomas= o p=F8ip=E1jet na no=9Ei=E8ku toho realteka, na 104 je ledka aktivity z=E1s= uvky1 (port 0), tak=9Ee to je u=9E v pohod=EC. http://www.cipis.net/ronja/rtl8305sb.JPG D=E1le je mo=9Eno zm=ECnit nastaven=ED skupin, z 1+3 (+1) na 2+2(+1) port= y a nastavit, kter=E1 m=E1 jak=E9 vlastnosti, viz. pdfko :-) (netestov=E1no) Cipis P.S. Omlouv=E1m se za "=E8e=9Atinu", ale necht=EClo se mi to do "cestiny"= p=F8episovat :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu > Ahoj > > Nastaveni svice s RTL8305SB: > Chcete nastavit 10 Mbit FullDuplex na jednom portu? > Staci nejaky 5 portovy svic, co ma v sobe cip RTL8305SB, napr. Dexlan, = a > spojte jeho pin 107 na zem. Portu0 (venku je vyveden jako "1") se tim > nastavi 10Mbit. > > Zatim je to vyzkouseno tak, ze jsem pripojil do tohoto portu sitovku v > komplu a kopiroval na server, ktery byl pripojen 100Mbitem do jineho po= rtu > ve svici. Zaraz to jelo jednim smerem 1MB/sec, druhym 550 KB/sec, ale t= o > bude nejspis tim, ze mam fragmentovany disk a chrcelo to jak blazen. Po= kud > jsem kompl se sitovkou (nastavenou natvrdo na 10FD) strcil do jineho portu, > tak jsem dosahl skvele rychlosti nekolik desitek KB/sec. > > P.S. Opatrne na to pajeni, v tomto svicu neni ten pin 107 pouzit na led= ku, > tak se to musi pripajet primo na nozicku toho svabu. Pokud mate svic, ktery > ma LEDky nejen na link (duplex, speed), tak to bude jednodussi - vedlej= sim > efektem bude, ze ona ledka bude svitit stale. > > Na twisterovi jsem to jeste nezkousel, nebot ho mam rozkuchaneho v prac= i :-/ > > Cipis > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Fri Apr 15 10:05:23 2005 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (piotr.p) Date: Fri Apr 15 10:05:59 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu In-Reply-To: <000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> References: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <425F83D3.2040307@netway.elk.pl> Użytkownik Cipis napisał: >Tak jsem to vyzkoušel s twisterem. >Mimo nastavení 10 Mbps je ještě potřeba vypnout autonegotiation. >Takže šlusnout pin 104 (disable auto..) a 107 (10Mbps)................ > > Is there someone who can translate it into english? (all posts of this topic) Tnx From jojo at matfyz.cz Fri Apr 15 11:03:25 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Fri Apr 15 11:03:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu In-Reply-To: <425F83D3.2040307@netway.elk.pl> References: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <425F83D3.2040307@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <20050415100325.GA9883@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On 2005-04-15 11:05 +0200, piotr.p wrote: > Is there someone who can translate it into english? (all posts of this > topic) > Tnx I will try. | Ahoj | | Nastaveni svice s RTL8305SB: | Chcete nastavit 10 Mbit FullDuplex na jednom portu? | Staci nejaky 5 portovy svic, co ma v sobe cip RTL8305SB, napr. Dexlan, a | spojte jeho pin 107 na zem. Portu0 (venku je vyveden jako "1") se tim | nastavi 10Mbit. Hello Setting for a switch with RTL8305SB: Do you want to set 10 Mbit FullDuplex on one port? You only need 5 port switch which uses chip RTL8305SB, e.g. Dexlan, and connect its pin 107 with ground. The Port0 (from the outside as a port "1") will be set to 10Mbit. | Zatim je to vyzkouseno tak, ze jsem pripojil do tohoto portu sitovku v | komplu a kopiroval na server, ktery byl pripojen 100Mbitem do jineho | portu ve svici. Zaraz to jelo jednim smerem 1MB/sec, druhym 550 KB/sec, | ale to bude nejspis tim, ze mam fragmentovany disk a chrcelo to jak | blazen. Pokud jsem kompl se sitovkou (nastavenou natvrdo na 10FD) strcil | do jineho portu, tak jsem dosahl skvele rychlosti nekolik desitek | KB/sec. For now I have done only this test: I have connected a NIC into this port and copied date to server which was connected 100Mbit into a different port in the same switch. It went 1MB/sec in one direction and 550 KB/sec in the other direction. But was probably because my disk was fragmented and it was doing "chrrr" "chrrr" noise :-). When I inserted my pc with NIC (set to 10FD) into a different port, I have achieved great speed of some tenths of KB/sec (note: I don't get it, probably meant irronic). | P.S. Opatrne na to pajeni, v tomto svicu neni ten pin 107 pouzit na | ledku, tak se to musi pripajet primo na nozicku toho svabu. Pokud mate | svic, ktery ma LEDky nejen na link (duplex, speed), tak to bude | jednodussi - vedlejsim efektem bude, ze ona ledka bude svitit stale. P.S. Be careful with soldering, in this switch the pin 107 is not used with a led, so it must be soldered directly onto the leg of the chip. If you have switch, that has LEDs for link (duplex, speed), it will be easier - the side effect will be that the led will always shine. | Na twisterovi jsem to jeste nezkousel, nebot ho mam rozkuchaneho v praci | :-/ I have not tested it with twister, because I have it disassembled in work. Cipis -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From jojo at matfyz.cz Fri Apr 15 11:23:42 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Fri Apr 15 11:23:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu Message-ID: <20050415102342.GB9883@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On 2005-04-15 11:05 +0200, piotr.p wrote: > Is there someone who can translate it into english? (all posts of this > topic) > Tnx I will try. | Tak jsem to vyzkou=9Ael s twisterem. Mimo nastaven=ED 10 Mbps je | je=9At=EC pot=F8eba vypnout autonegotiation. Tak=9Ee =9Alusnout pin 104 | (disable auto..) a 107 (10Mbps). Tohle je pro jeden port - nula, na tom | 5 portov=E9m Dexlanu je to z=E1suv= ka ozna=E8en=E1 =E8=EDslem 1. So I have tested it with twister, too. Except for FullDuplex setting it is also needed to turn autonegotiation off. So the pin 104 (disable auto...) and 107 (10Mbps) needs to be grounded. This is for one port - zero. On this Dexlan switch with 5 ports it is the port marked with number 1. | Na tomto dexlanu nen=ED vyvedena ledka na pinu 107, tak=9Ee je to | sadomas= o p=F8ip=E1jet na no=9Ei=E8ku toho realteka, na 104 je ledka | aktivity z=E1s= uvky1 (port 0), tak=9Ee to je u=9E v pohod=EC. | | http://www.cipis.net/ronja/rtl8305sb.JPG On this dexlan the is no LED connected with pin 107, so it is quite a sadomaso(chism) to solder it to the leg of those realtek (chip). On 104 there is activity LED of port0, so it is OK there. | D=E1le je mo=9Eno zm=ECnit nastaven=ED skupin, z 1+3 (+1) na 2+2(+1) | port= y a nastavit, kter=E1 m=E1 jak=E9 vlastnosti, viz. pdfko :-) | (netestov=E1no) Other possibility is to change setting of groups, from 1+3 (+1) to 2+2(+1) ports and set, which group has which properties. See pdf :-) (not tested). Cipis -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From node.ch at centrum.cz Fri Apr 15 11:37:02 2005 From: node.ch at centrum.cz (Laky) Date: Fri Apr 15 11:37:31 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Kabely mezi tubusy a Twisterem Message-ID: <01bf01c541a7$157266d0$0801a8c0@notebook> Zdravim, zajimam se o to, jake je prakticke volit (primerene drahe) kabely k twisteru, jelikoz vzdalenost je 40-50 metru. Poradi nekdo, na jakou vzdalenost to bude bezpecne 100% funkcni? Dalsi moznosti je hodit UTP a switch na strechu (na kterou neni normalne pristup, jen tak 2x rocne), je v dohledne dobe mozne pocitat s vystupem z ronje na RJ45 UTP (abych nemusel resit switch a napajeni na strechu)? Komercni reseni PoE je dost drahe. Diky vsem. From hollari1 at gmx.at Fri Apr 15 12:46:08 2005 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Fri Apr 15 12:46:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Switch with Realtech Chip References: <20050415110013.14668gmx1@mx009.gmx.net> Message-ID: <2521.1113565568@www30.gmx.net> Can someone tell me in which Switch (which Vendor) i can find such a Realtek Chip ?!? -- +++ GMX - Die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ 1 GB Mailbox bereits in GMX FreeMail http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Apr 15 14:54:09 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Apr 15 14:54:17 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Kabely mezi tubusy a Twisterem Message-ID: <200504151554.13773@centrum.cz> Testoval jsem kabel RG-213 (bezne ho koupis v prodejne na vysilacky...t= reba www.elix.cz ). Mel jsem moznost pouzit 35m a slo to bez problemu. Co se tyce delky switche vs twister, tak zkus "vystipat" ETH trafo ze s= tare sitovky a napastlit to na to. Ja jsem to testoval s Bothand trafem a UTP z twistera do switche byl dl= ouhy asu 70m. -=3DRYS=3D- ______________________________________________________________ > Od: node.ch@centrum.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC:=20 > Datum: 15.04.2005 12:38 > P=F8edm=ECt: [Ronja] Kabely mezi tubusy a Twisterem > > Zdravim, >=20 > zajimam se o to, jake je prakticke volit (primerene drahe) kabely k > twisteru, jelikoz vzdalenost je 40-50 metru. >=20 > Poradi nekdo, na jakou vzdalenost to bude bezpecne 100% funkcni? >=20 > Dalsi moznosti je hodit UTP a switch na strechu (na kterou neni norma= lne > pristup, jen tak 2x rocne), je v dohledne dobe mozne pocitat s vystup= em z > ronje na RJ45 UTP (abych nemusel resit switch a napajeni na strechu)? >=20 > Komercni reseni PoE je dost drahe. >=20 > Diky vsem.=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 From korda.m at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 15:37:35 2005 From: korda.m at gmail.com (Milan Korda) Date: Fri Apr 15 15:37:34 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu In-Reply-To: <000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> References: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <425FD1AF.2040500@gmail.com> Cipis wrote: >Tak jsem to vyzkoušel s twisterem. >Mimo nastavení 10 Mbps je ještě potřeba vypnout autonegotiation. >Takže šlusnout pin 104 (disable auto..) a 107 (10Mbps). >Tohle je pro jeden port - nula, na tom 5 portovém Dexlanu je to zásuvka >označená číslem 1. >Na tomto dexlanu není vyvedena ledka na pinu 107, takže je to sadomaso >připájet na nožičku toho realteka, na 104 je ledka aktivity zásuvky1 (port >0), takže to je už v pohodě. > >http://www.cipis.net/ronja/rtl8305sb.JPG > >Dále je možno změnit nastavení skupin, z 1+3 (+1) na 2+2(+1) porty a >nastavit, která má jaké vlastnosti, viz. pdfko :-) (netestováno) > >Cipis > >P.S. Omlouvám se za "češtinu", ale nechtělo se mi to do "cestiny" přepisovat >:-) > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cipis" >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:18 PM >Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu > > > > >>Ahoj >> >>Nastaveni svice s RTL8305SB: >>Chcete nastavit 10 Mbit FullDuplex na jednom portu? >>Staci nejaky 5 portovy svic, co ma v sobe cip RTL8305SB, napr. Dexlan, a >>spojte jeho pin 107 na zem. Portu0 (venku je vyveden jako "1") se tim >>nastavi 10Mbit. >> >>Zatim je to vyzkouseno tak, ze jsem pripojil do tohoto portu sitovku v >>komplu a kopiroval na server, ktery byl pripojen 100Mbitem do jineho portu >>ve svici. Zaraz to jelo jednim smerem 1MB/sec, druhym 550 KB/sec, ale to >>bude nejspis tim, ze mam fragmentovany disk a chrcelo to jak blazen. Pokud >>jsem kompl se sitovkou (nastavenou natvrdo na 10FD) strcil do jineho >> >> >portu, > > >>tak jsem dosahl skvele rychlosti nekolik desitek KB/sec. >> >>P.S. Opatrne na to pajeni, v tomto svicu neni ten pin 107 pouzit na ledku, >>tak se to musi pripajet primo na nozicku toho svabu. Pokud mate svic, >> >> >ktery > > >>ma LEDky nejen na link (duplex, speed), tak to bude jednodussi - vedlejsim >>efektem bude, ze ona ledka bude svitit stale. >> >>Na twisterovi jsem to jeste nezkousel, nebot ho mam rozkuchaneho v praci >> >> >:-/ > > >>Cipis >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Vypada to zajimave, nevis jestli Edimax ES-3108P ma tohodle realteka? From Korda.M at seznam.cz Fri Apr 15 16:54:02 2005 From: Korda.M at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Milan=20Korda?=) Date: Fri Apr 15 16:54:05 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20=22managed=22=20svic=20za=20par=20stovek=20pro=20jednu=20pajku=20a=20kus=20dratu?= In-Reply-To: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <137.291-10965-730064351-1113580442@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Cipis" Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu Datum (Date): 7. 4. 2005 20:18 ================================================== > Ahoj > > Nastaveni svice s RTL8305SB: > Chcete nastavit 10 Mbit FullDuplex na jednom portu? > Staci nejaky 5 portovy svic, co ma v sobe cip RTL8305SB, napr. Dexlan, a > spojte jeho pin 107 na zem. Portu0 (venku je vyveden jako "1") se tim > nastavi 10Mbit. > > Zatim je to vyzkouseno tak, ze jsem pripojil do tohoto portu sitovku v > komplu a kopiroval na server, ktery byl pripojen 100Mbitem do jineho portu > ve svici. Zaraz to jelo jednim smerem 1MB/sec, druhym 550 KB/sec, ale to > bude nejspis tim, ze mam fragmentovany disk a chrcelo to jak blazen. Pokud > jsem kompl se sitovkou (nastavenou natvrdo na 10FD) strcil do jineho portu, > tak jsem dosahl skvele rychlosti nekolik desitek KB/sec. > > P.S. Opatrne na to pajeni, v tomto svicu neni ten pin 107 pouzit na ledku, > tak se to musi pripajet primo na nozicku toho svabu. Pokud mate svic, ktery > ma LEDky nejen na link (duplex, speed), tak to bude jednodussi - vedlejsim > efektem bude, ze ona ledka bude svitit stale. > > Na twisterovi jsem to jeste nezkousel, nebot ho mam rozkuchaneho v praci :-/ > > Cipis > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Tak sem zjistil, ze 8 port edimax ma RTL8309SB, mohl by ses prosim podivat do datasheetu jaky pinu jsou ty spravny ;) Ja to zkusm taky najit, ale radsi to mam overeny :) ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Apr 15 16:59:42 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Apr 15 16:59:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu References: <137.291-10965-730064351-1113580442@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <002401c541d4$2475cfa0$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> Ten jde nastavit akor?t cel? - v?echny porty zar?z. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milan Korda" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu Tak sem zjistil, ze 8 port edimax ma RTL8309SB, mohl by ses prosim podivat do datasheetu jaky pinu jsou ty spravny ;) Ja to zkusm taky najit, ale radsi to mam overeny :) From Korda.M at seznam.cz Fri Apr 15 17:06:13 2005 From: Korda.M at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Milan=20Korda?=) Date: Fri Apr 15 17:06:15 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20=22managed=22=20svic=20za=20par=20stovek=20pro=20jednu=20pajku=20a=20kus=20dratu?= In-Reply-To: <002401c541d4$2475cfa0$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <140.294-11906-2013652866-1113581171@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Cipis" Komu (To): "Milan Korda" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu Datum (Date): 15. 4. 2005 17:59 ================================================== > Ten jde nastavit akor?t cel? - v?echny porty zar?z. > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Milan Korda" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus > dratu > > > Tak sem zjistil, ze 8 port edimax ma RTL8309SB, mohl by ses prosim podivat > do datasheetu jaky pinu jsou ty spravny ;) Ja to zkusm taky najit, ale radsi > to mam overeny :) > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Dik, tak to se budu muset poohlednout po nejakym 5portu :) ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From Korda.M at seznam.cz Fri Apr 15 17:20:17 2005 From: Korda.M at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Milan=20Korda?=) Date: Fri Apr 15 17:20:20 2005 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20=22managed=22=20svic=20za=20par=20stovek=20pro=20jednu=20pajku=20a=20kus=20dratu?= In-Reply-To: <140.294-11906-2013652866-1113581171@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <144.298-14985-1609525662-1113582015@seznam.cz> No a nevis o nejakym 5 port switchi s timhle realtekem, ktery by mel vyvedeny oba piny na LED? ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Apr 15 17:35:35 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Apr 15 17:35:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu References: <140.294-11906-2013652866-1113581171@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000901c541d9$2663a3a0$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> Pro cetne dotazy (a lenochy) uvadim vycuc z datasheetu: default je 1, 0 je slus na zem RTL8305SB: pin 95: 1 - skupina x - port 0 skupina y - port 1, 2 a 3 0 - skupina x - port 0 a 1 skupina y - port 2 a 3 port0 je na 3, 4, 127, 128 (u rozku s klicem) port1 je na 7, 8, 11, 12 port2 je na 15, 16, 19, 20 port3 je na 23, 24, 27, 28 port4 je na 31, 32, 35, 36 (port4 je spesl, mel by zustat auto) pin 104: 1 - enable auto-negotiation skupiny x 0 - disable pin 105: 1 - enable auto-negotiation skupiny y 0 - disable pin 107: 1 - enable 100Mbps skupiny x 0 - disable pin 108: 1 - enable 100Mbps skupiny y 0 - disable pin 109: 1 - enable FullDuplex skupiny x 0 - disable pin 110: 1 - enable FullDuplex skupiny y 0 - disable Cipis From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Apr 15 17:39:03 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Apr 15 17:39:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu References: <144.298-14985-1609525662-1113582015@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <001b01c541d9$a24581a0$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> no kdybych vedel, tak to nesmudlim na tu nozicku :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milan Korda" To: "Milan Korda" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu No a nevis o nejakym 5 port switchi s timhle realtekem, ktery by mel vyvedeny oba piny na LED? ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Apr 15 22:42:02 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Apr 15 22:42:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu References: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <001301c54203$f5f90540$0101a8c0@cz> U1 na obrazku je 24c16. Nechces misto sileneho letovani radeji konfig nahrat do EEPROM za 34,- Kc= ? Naletuje se tam patice a pri kazdem konfigu se sunda svab a v jednoduchem programatoru se nastavi co je treba. -=3DRYS=3D- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu Tak jsem to vyzkou=9Ael s twisterem. Mimo nastaven=ED 10 Mbps je je=9At=EC pot=F8eba vypnout autonegotiation. Tak=9Ee =9Alusnout pin 104 (disable auto..) a 107 (10Mbps). Tohle je pro jeden port - nula, na tom 5 portov=E9m Dexlanu je to z=E1suv= ka ozna=E8en=E1 =E8=EDslem 1. Na tomto dexlanu nen=ED vyvedena ledka na pinu 107, tak=9Ee je to sadomas= o p=F8ip=E1jet na no=9Ei=E8ku toho realteka, na 104 je ledka aktivity z=E1s= uvky1 (port 0), tak=9Ee to je u=9E v pohod=EC. http://www.cipis.net/ronja/rtl8305sb.JPG D=E1le je mo=9Eno zm=ECnit nastaven=ED skupin, z 1+3 (+1) na 2+2(+1) port= y a nastavit, kter=E1 m=E1 jak=E9 vlastnosti, viz. pdfko :-) (netestov=E1no) Cipis P.S. Omlouv=E1m se za "=E8e=9Atinu", ale necht=EClo se mi to do "cestiny"= p=F8episovat :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu > Ahoj > > Nastaveni svice s RTL8305SB: > Chcete nastavit 10 Mbit FullDuplex na jednom portu? > Staci nejaky 5 portovy svic, co ma v sobe cip RTL8305SB, napr. Dexlan, = a > spojte jeho pin 107 na zem. Portu0 (venku je vyveden jako "1") se tim > nastavi 10Mbit. > > Zatim je to vyzkouseno tak, ze jsem pripojil do tohoto portu sitovku v > komplu a kopiroval na server, ktery byl pripojen 100Mbitem do jineho po= rtu > ve svici. Zaraz to jelo jednim smerem 1MB/sec, druhym 550 KB/sec, ale t= o > bude nejspis tim, ze mam fragmentovany disk a chrcelo to jak blazen. Po= kud > jsem kompl se sitovkou (nastavenou natvrdo na 10FD) strcil do jineho portu, > tak jsem dosahl skvele rychlosti nekolik desitek KB/sec. > > P.S. Opatrne na to pajeni, v tomto svicu neni ten pin 107 pouzit na led= ku, > tak se to musi pripajet primo na nozicku toho svabu. Pokud mate svic, ktery > ma LEDky nejen na link (duplex, speed), tak to bude jednodussi - vedlej= sim > efektem bude, ze ona ledka bude svitit stale. > > Na twisterovi jsem to jeste nezkousel, nebot ho mam rozkuchaneho v prac= i :-/ > > Cipis > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja --=20 P=F8=EDchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no Antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG. Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 266.9.12 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 15.4.2005 --=20 Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. Zkontrolov=E1no Antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG. Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 266.9.12 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 15.4.2005 From node.ch at centrum.cz Sat Apr 16 13:16:46 2005 From: node.ch at centrum.cz (Laky) Date: Sat Apr 16 13:29:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RTL8305SB a vice ronjitek References: Message-ID: <000201c5427f$e33e5500$64286b0a@notebook> Jestli jsem to tedy pochopil, tak pokud chci 4 porty na 10MbFD (pro vice ronji), a paty nechat na 100Mb, tak musim udelat toto: RTL8305SB: 104 - GND (disable auto-negotiation skupiny x) 105 - GND (disable auto-negotiation skupiny y) 107 - GND (disable 100Mbps skupiny x) 108 - GND (disable 100Mbps skupiny y) Resume: Porty 1-4 se prepnou timto na 10MbFD a port 5 zustane Auto. Prosim, potvrdte mi to nekdo, jestli to mate vyzkousene nebo to teoreticky je velka sance ze to tak bude chodit :-) -------------------------------- Pro cetne dotazy (a lenochy) uvadim vycuc z datasheetu: default je 1, 0 je slus na zem RTL8305SB: pin 95: 1 - skupina x - port 0 skupina y - port 1, 2 a 3 0 - skupina x - port 0 a 1 skupina y - port 2 a 3 port0 je na 3, 4, 127, 128 (u rozku s klicem) port1 je na 7, 8, 11, 12 port2 je na 15, 16, 19, 20 port3 je na 23, 24, 27, 28 port4 je na 31, 32, 35, 36 (port4 je spesl, mel by zustat auto) pin 104: 1 - enable auto-negotiation skupiny x 0 - disable pin 105: 1 - enable auto-negotiation skupiny y 0 - disable pin 107: 1 - enable 100Mbps skupiny x 0 - disable pin 108: 1 - enable 100Mbps skupiny y 0 - disable pin 109: 1 - enable FullDuplex skupiny x 0 - disable pin 110: 1 - enable FullDuplex skupiny y 0 - disable Cipis From pavkriz at gybon.cz Sat Apr 16 14:31:03 2005 From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz) Date: Sat Apr 16 14:31:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu In-Reply-To: <001301c54203$f5f90540$0101a8c0@cz> References: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <001301c54203$f5f90540$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <42611397.8050604@gybon.cz> Jesli se nepletu tak ta EEPROM ma I2C (open-colector + pullup odpory) sbernici a je velka pravdepodobnost ze za behu se do toho uz neleze, takze by to melo jit naprogramovat i in-system za behu :) Jinak U1 je ten realtec pokud mluvime o ty fotce, ne? Myslis U3? Pavel hkfree.org -=RYS=- wrote: > U1 na obrazku je 24c16. > > Nechces misto sileneho letovani radeji konfig nahrat do EEPROM za 34,- Kc ? > > Naletuje se tam patice a pri kazdem konfigu se sunda svab a v jednoduchem > programatoru se nastavi co je treba. > > > -=RYS=- From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Apr 16 15:20:20 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Apr 16 15:20:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu References: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net><001301c54203$f5f90540$0101a8c0@cz> <42611397.8050604@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <001101c5428f$6bd67320$0101a8c0@cz> Jojo. Maj tam patrit 1k odpory a tak to jde programovat vlastne i kdyz by to by= lo zapajene ( bez patice). Takze se daj vytahnout jen 3 draty I2C. Mam i simulator EEPROM, takze mohu zjistovat kam se co uklada. -=3DRYS=3D- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Pavel Kriz" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu > Jesli se nepletu tak ta EEPROM ma I2C (open-colector + pullup odpory) > sbernici a je velka pravdepodobnost ze za behu se do toho uz neleze, > takze by to melo jit naprogramovat i in-system za behu :) > > Jinak U1 je ten realtec pokud mluvime o ty fotce, ne? Myslis U3? > > Pavel > hkfree.org > > > -=3DRYS=3D- wrote: > > U1 na obrazku je 24c16. > > > > Nechces misto sileneho letovani radeji konfig nahrat do EEPROM za 34,= - Kc ? > > > > Naletuje se tam patice a pri kazdem konfigu se sunda svab a v jednoduchem > > programatoru se nastavi co je treba. > > > > > > -=3DRYS=3D- > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > --=20 > P=F8=EDchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. > Zkontrolov=E1no Antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG. > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 266.9.12 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 15.4.200= 5 > > --=20 Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. Zkontrolov=E1no Antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG. Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 266.9.12 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 15.4.2005 From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Apr 16 15:49:13 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Apr 16 15:49:49 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Trochu OT Message-ID: <000801c54293$750dedc0$0101a8c0@cz> Zde byl um?st?n nep?ijateln? obsah typu: multipart/alternative------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. Zkontrolov?no Antivirov?m syst?mem AVG. Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.12 - datum vyd?n?: 15.4.2005 From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Apr 16 17:09:28 2005 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Apr 16 17:09:33 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RTL8305SB a vice ronjitek References: <000201c5427f$e33e5500$64286b0a@notebook> Message-ID: <002d01c5429e$ac2810a0$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> vem pajku a tu teorii uved v praxi :-) .. jet by to melo Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laky" To: Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: [Ronja] RTL8305SB a vice ronjitek > Jestli jsem to tedy pochopil, tak pokud chci 4 porty na 10MbFD (pro vice > ronji), a paty nechat na 100Mb, tak musim udelat toto: > > RTL8305SB: > 104 - GND (disable auto-negotiation skupiny x) > 105 - GND (disable auto-negotiation skupiny y) > 107 - GND (disable 100Mbps skupiny x) > 108 - GND (disable 100Mbps skupiny y) > > Resume: Porty 1-4 se prepnou timto na 10MbFD a port 5 zustane Auto. > > Prosim, potvrdte mi to nekdo, jestli to mate vyzkousene nebo to teoreticky > je velka sance ze to tak bude chodit :-) > > -------------------------------- > Pro cetne dotazy (a lenochy) uvadim vycuc z datasheetu: > > default je 1, 0 je slus na zem > > > RTL8305SB: > > pin 95: 1 - skupina x - port 0 > skupina y - port 1, 2 a 3 > 0 - skupina x - port 0 a 1 > skupina y - port 2 a 3 > > port0 je na 3, 4, 127, 128 (u rozku s klicem) > port1 je na 7, 8, 11, 12 > port2 je na 15, 16, 19, 20 > port3 je na 23, 24, 27, 28 > port4 je na 31, 32, 35, 36 (port4 je spesl, mel by zustat > auto) > > pin 104: 1 - enable auto-negotiation skupiny x > 0 - disable > > pin 105: 1 - enable auto-negotiation skupiny y > 0 - disable > > pin 107: 1 - enable 100Mbps skupiny x > 0 - disable > > pin 108: 1 - enable 100Mbps skupiny y > 0 - disable > > pin 109: 1 - enable FullDuplex skupiny x > 0 - disable > > pin 110: 1 - enable FullDuplex skupiny y > 0 - disable > > > Cipis > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From wackyman at centrum.cz Sun Apr 17 09:48:52 2005 From: wackyman at centrum.cz ( =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20W=E1gner?=) Date: Sun Apr 17 09:49:36 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Divny rx Message-ID: Zdravim, mam ted dost podobny problem. Obe dve rx se chovaji stejne, je v nich pouzita infra fotodioda SFH203F a jako tx je nebulus(HSDL-4230). S 0% PL obe chodi do 280mV a pak uz PL prudce stoupa. Zase ale na druhou stranu me tech 280mV predstavuje vzdalenost 2,6m. Mam se tim nejak znepokojovat nebo je to OK? Jeste dodavam ze trasu budu chtit provozovat na vzdalenost 1,1km. Testpointy sedi vsechny a ten kondik C154 jsem u obou zkratil jak jen to slo, ale to se nijak neprojevilo. >-- Pvodn? zpr?va -- >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:21:53 +0000 >From: Karel Kulhavy >To: Twibright Ronja >Subject: Re: [Ronja] divny Rx >Reply-To: Twibright Ronja > > >On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 02:25:00PM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: >> Zdravim >> >> ted jsem narazil jeste na jeden Rx, ktery se chova tak ze data zacnou >> prochazet az od RSSI cca 300mV coz se mi zda prilis moc. >> >> Testuji to na jednom konkretnim twisteru, s ostanimi prijimaci dosah cca >2m, >> data zacnou vypadavat pri RSSI cca 70mV. >> Pri adekvatni vzdalenosti kolem tech 2m ukazuje taky tech 70mV, ale data >zacne >> prenaset az kdyt to priblizim na tech 300mV. >> Vstupni fet jsem cvicne vymenil ale tim to nebylo (ani jsem to necekal). >Muze >> to delat nadrbly NE592, nebo se mam soustredit jen na vystupni limiter? >> >> Tam, ale neni celkem co pokazit a stejnosmerne se zda byt v poradku (hodnoty > >> kondenzatoru vizualne zkontrolovane) From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 17 21:01:50 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Apr 17 20:59:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 1984 [was pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama ] In-Reply-To: <001501c53f89$740ff740$0101a8c0@cz> References: <001901c53f86$370fb130$d203a8c0@diablo> <001501c53f89$740ff740$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050417200150.GA247@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 08:00:03PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Jardo a vis kam nas nove telekomunikacni zakony vedou? > > Jsem videl takovej ukazkovej film...... Brazil . The trend is not limited to developing countries. Here in Switzerland, well established democracy, I got yesterday a letter from Billag (a company for collecting TV and radio fees from people), that ********************************************************** * * * A PC with ISDN or broadband access that plays Internet * * radio is obliged to pay radio fees. * * * ********************************************************** It means, if I run GPL program "xmms" and type in URL of independent web radio streaming over Shoutcast, I have to pay to Swiss government. This was after they (billag) got slappend over hand by government after requiring people to pay TV fees from PCs which have broadband access and Windows Media Player. We already are living in 1984, d00dz. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 17 21:41:45 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Apr 17 21:39:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. In-Reply-To: <000b01c540d9$c6c1d5c0$6400000a@a050926e> References: <425E28E8.17513.9C09A@localhost> <000b01c540d9$c6c1d5c0$6400000a@a050926e> Message-ID: <20050417204145.GD272@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 12:07:33PM +0200, Ladislav Rudolf wrote: > > Ok dik, zkusim to jen predesilam ze tan ronja byla kdysi funkcni resp. ji > vyrabel airborne jestli ho znas, pak zacla delat to co jsem popisoval a od > te doby je to takhle.Ale zkusim to co rikas a uvidim. I guess that if I ask too much, I will come to a conclusion that it is unsupported ;-) So I rather recommend to do a two-way test for packetloss (running two-times ronjapiong -l 1472 -c ). If no packetloss, Ronja is OK and problem is elsewhere. If packetloss, Ronja is likely bad. CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 17 21:44:10 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Apr 17 21:41:38 2005 Subject: Fw: [Ronja] Ronja vadny interface. In-Reply-To: <005d01c54101$00009ca0$6400000a@a050926e> References: <005d01c54101$00009ca0$6400000a@a050926e> Message-ID: <20050417204410.GF272@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 04:48:19PM +0200, Ladislav Rudolf wrote: > > > >Tahle ronja kdysi fungovala vyrabel ji airborne ale pak to nechtel neak > >dal opravit a zustalo to nefunkcni, zkusim neake rady od Ryse ale nevim > >spis to vidim beznadejne :(, spis jsem myslel kdyby se nasel nekdo kdo by > >se na to kouknul a opravil to Is TP Twister or nonstandard? Or is it AUI? You can get Twister PCB very cheaply and replace it if it is necessary. CL< From klapek at kki.net.pl Mon Apr 18 16:45:24 2005 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Mon Apr 18 16:43:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 1984 [was pravni spory - legalnost pouziti firmama ] In-Reply-To: <20050417200150.GA247@beton.cybernet.src> References: <001901c53f86$370fb130$d203a8c0@diablo> <001501c53f89$740ff740$0101a8c0@cz> <20050417200150.GA247@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200504181745.24566.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Sunday 17 of April 2005 22:01, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > We already are living in 1984, d00dz. You have just published confidential information, prepare for a SWAT team breaking through your windows in three, two, one... ;-) Regards, Tomek Koprowski From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 18:26:44 2005 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Mon Apr 18 18:26:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] switches with hack possibilities Message-ID: <20050418172644.91008.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Repotec RP-1705K/1708K - 5-P/8-P 10/100Mbps N-Way Switch 5 port switch have RTL8305SB chipset 8 port have 8309SB chipset. Edimax ES3108P have RTL8309SB chipset. Surecom EP-808SX have RTL8309SB chipset. links useful 2 compare these chipsets http://realtek.info/pdf/rtl8309SB.pdf http://realtek.info/pdf/rtl8305sb_datasheet_1.3.pdf Both chipsets are god 2 be hackered.;) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide From jojo at matfyz.cz Mon Apr 18 19:00:13 2005 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Mon Apr 18 19:00:16 2005 Subject: [Ronja] switches with hack possibilities In-Reply-To: <20050418172644.91008.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050418172644.91008.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050418180013.GA24740@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On 2005-04-18 10:26 -0700, popa-popescu sorin-gabriel wrote: > Edimax ES3108P have RTL8309SB chipset. Edimax ES3105P with 5 ports has RLT8305SB chipset. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 17:42:53 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 17:40:23 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu In-Reply-To: <001301c54203$f5f90540$0101a8c0@cz> References: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <001301c54203$f5f90540$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050419164253.GA8032@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 11:42:02PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > U1 na obrazku je 24c16. > > Nechces misto sileneho letovani radeji konfig nahrat do EEPROM za 34,- Kc ? > > Naletuje se tam patice a pri kazdem konfigu se sunda svab a v jednoduchem > programatoru se nastavi co je treba. Is there a free-technology programmer for 24c16? CL< From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Apr 19 17:49:46 2005 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Apr 19 17:50:05 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu References: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net><000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net><001301c54203$f5f90540$0101a8c0@cz> <20050419164253.GA8032@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000801c544ff$cb7c5700$0101a8c0@cz> Pony_Prog. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu > On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 11:42:02PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > U1 na obrazku je 24c16. > > > > Nechces misto sileneho letovani radeji konfig nahrat do EEPROM za 34,- Kc ? > > > > Naletuje se tam patice a pri kazdem konfigu se sunda svab a v jednoduchem > > programatoru se nastavi co je treba. > > Is there a free-technology programmer for 24c16? > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Prichozi zprava neobsahuje viry. > Zkontrolovano Antivirovym systemem AVG. > Verze: 7.0.308 / Virova baze: 266.9.16 - datum vydani: 18.4.2005 > > -- Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry protoze je odeslana z Linuxu. Zkontrolov?no Antivirov?m syst?mem AVG. Verze: 7.0.308 / Virov? b?ze: 266.9.16 - datum vyd?n?: 18.4.2005 From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 17:54:54 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 17:52:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu In-Reply-To: <000801c544ff$cb7c5700$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20050419164253.GA8032@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c544ff$cb7c5700$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20050419165454.GA8101@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:49:46PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Pony_Prog. Have you got a schematic and PCB in gschem or does someone have to manually redraw it? CL< > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus > dratu > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 11:42:02PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > U1 na obrazku je 24c16. > > > > > > Nechces misto sileneho letovani radeji konfig nahrat do EEPROM za 34,- > Kc ? > > > > > > Naletuje se tam patice a pri kazdem konfigu se sunda svab a v > jednoduchem > > > programatoru se nastavi co je treba. > > > > Is there a free-technology programmer for 24c16? From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 19 18:03:44 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Apr 19 18:04:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu In-Reply-To: <20050419165454.GA8101@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000801c544ff$cb7c5700$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <42655610.26468.B516F@localhost> To snad ani neni potreba. Z http://www.lancos.com/e2p/si-prog-v2_2.pdf staci vybrat podstatne casti (ty uplne vlevo)- 3 zenerky, 3 odpory, 3 kondenzatory, 1 konektor, stabilizator a patici, smotat za nozicky a tavnou pistoli zalit do krytky konektoru. Napajeni doporucuji udelat externi, nektere seriove porty to nemusi utahnout. > > Pony_Prog. > > Have you got a schematic and PCB in gschem or does someone have to manually > redraw it? > > CL< > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:42 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus > > dratu > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 11:42:02PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > U1 na obrazku je 24c16. > > > > > > > > Nechces misto sileneho letovani radeji konfig nahrat do EEPROM za 34,- > > Kc ? > > > > > > > > Naletuje se tam patice a pri kazdem konfigu se sunda svab a v > > jednoduchem > > > > programatoru se nastavi co je treba. > > > > > > Is there a free-technology programmer for 24c16? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 19 18:08:06 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Apr 19 18:09:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu In-Reply-To: <20050419165454.GA8101@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000801c544ff$cb7c5700$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <42655716.14844.F5061@localhost> Jeste me napada, nedalo by se ta pamet pridratovat k tomuhle - http://i2c2p.twibright.com/ ? > On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:49:46PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Pony_Prog. > > Have you got a schematic and PCB in gschem or does someone have to manually > redraw it? > > CL< > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:42 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus > > dratu > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 11:42:02PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > U1 na obrazku je 24c16. > > > > > > > > Nechces misto sileneho letovani radeji konfig nahrat do EEPROM za 34,- > > Kc ? > > > > > > > > Naletuje se tam patice a pri kazdem konfigu se sunda svab a v > > jednoduchem > > > > programatoru se nastavi co je treba. > > > > > > Is there a free-technology programmer for 24c16? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 18:15:12 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 18:12:40 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu In-Reply-To: <42611397.8050604@gybon.cz> References: <001101c53b9e$2a4eb540$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <000d01c54132$b2d06820$4d4da8c0@cipis.net> <001301c54203$f5f90540$0101a8c0@cz> <42611397.8050604@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <20050419171512.GD8101@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 03:31:03PM +0200, Pavel Kriz wrote: > Jesli se nepletu tak ta EEPROM ma I2C (open-colector + pullup odpory) > sbernici a je velka pravdepodobnost ze za behu se do toho uz neleze, > takze by to melo jit naprogramovat i in-system za behu :) You could use Twibright I2C2P parport/I2C adapter which has optical isolation so that the probability that you kill your PC is 0% and that kill the switch lower. http://i2c2p.twibright.com CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 18:23:56 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 18:21:22 2005 Subject: [Ronja] "managed" svic za par stovek pro jednu pajku a kus dratu In-Reply-To: <42655610.26468.B516F@localhost> References: <000801c544ff$cb7c5700$0101a8c0@cz> <42655610.26468.B516F@localhost> Message-ID: <20050419172356.GE8101@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 07:03:44PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > To snad ani neni potreba. Z http://www.lancos.com/e2p/si-prog-v2_2.pdf staci vybrat > podstatne casti (ty uplne vlevo)- 3 zenerky, 3 odpory, 3 kondenzatory, 1 konektor, > stabilizator a patici, smotat za nozicky a tavnou pistoli zalit do krytky konektoru. > Napajeni doporucuji udelat externi, nektere seriove porty to nemusi utahnout. Aha, 24c16 is I2C :) Then I2C2P can be used, maybe even for in-circuit programming. If not, then just adding +5V should suffice. Unless the device or bus on the other side requires 3.3V, because I2C2P is 5V-only :( CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 18:45:55 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 18:43:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Otazka twister In-Reply-To: <20050417124119Z35833920-23056+340908@mail1.centrum.sk> References: <20050417124119Z35833920-23056+340908@mail1.centrum.sk> Message-ID: <20050419174555.GA8235@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 02:41:08PM +0200, crazy@centrum.sk wrote: > Ahoj, chcel by som sa ta spytat ze kde moze byt chyba postavil som 2och > twistrov a oba ked zapnem tak su v skrate (napajanie) a neviem preco > stabilizator mam zapojeny dobre aj diody vsetko je spravne osadene neviem > kde moze byt chyba ? In which power is the short? In 12V or 5V? CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 18:47:47 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 18:45:13 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Kabely mezi tubusy a Twisterem In-Reply-To: <01bf01c541a7$157266d0$0801a8c0@notebook> References: <01bf01c541a7$157266d0$0801a8c0@notebook> Message-ID: <20050419174747.GA8262@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 12:37:02PM +0200, Laky wrote: > Zdravim, > > zajimam se o to, jake je prakticke volit (primerene drahe) kabely k > twisteru, jelikoz vzdalenost je 40-50 metru. Some ordinary coaxial (like for TV, radio or thinnet networks). CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 18:51:21 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 18:48:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Divny rx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050419175121.GA8285@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 10:48:52AM +0200, Tom?? W?gner wrote: > Zdravim, > mam ted dost podobny problem. Obe dve rx se chovaji stejne, je v nich pouzita > infra fotodioda SFH203F a jako tx je nebulus(HSDL-4230). S 0% PL obe chodi > do 280mV a pak uz PL prudce stoupa. Zase ale na druhou stranu me tech 280mV > predstavuje vzdalenost 2,6m. Mam se tim nejak znepokojovat nebo je to OK? That's OK. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 18:52:55 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 18:50:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] ztrata bytu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050419175255.GB8285@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 03:57:04PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > zdravim, postavil sem 2 tvistry, a fungovali. ted mesic lezili na skrini a > opet sem je vytahl abych je moh nainstalovat ... boduzel neprochazeji pingy > .... kdyz zapojim jenom jednoho na loopback, tak se mi bajty hezky vraci ( > sledovano na stavu site ve win xp) ..... prijate sou sice + - o 500 pozadu, > ale to i u fungujiciho kusu. kdyz nastavim loopback na vystupu, tak ze > spojim Tx a Rx tak sice sem tam naky bajt projde, ale neni to vic nez .. 20 % > odelanych dat ..... nevite cim to muze byt???? ping pres to pochopitelne > neprojde.... kde se muzou data ztracet? Show photos please. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 18:54:51 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 18:52:18 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: ronja.twibright.com/index.php In-Reply-To: <42616895.4030305@centrum.cz> References: <42616895.4030305@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20050419175451.GC8285@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 09:33:41PM +0200, Petr Janecek wrote: > Ahoj, > link "real photos" miri kamsi na localhost/installations.php Thanks, fixed. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 19:05:42 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 19:03:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] packetloss nad 1500B In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050305182937.00a11c60@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050306084906.03270d60@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050312210446.022818e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313112352.02268680@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050313220944.023a2ab0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050317191147.023aa730@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050318181629.02298a40@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050321185530.03257ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20050323145048.03271ec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.2.1.1.0.20050327122800.024c3760@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20050419180542.GA8369@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 12:45:40PM +0200, Martin Kucko wrote: > At 10:09 25.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:57:47PM +0100, Martin Kucko wrote: > >> At 12:03 23.3.2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> > >> >> At 19:37 20.3.2005 +0000, you wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> >at 1500 bytes of Ethernet frame payload. It can be problem of the > >> >> >> >endpoints - I think I have observed this behaviour by Linux as > >well > >> >but > >> >> >> >am not sure. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Please connect a plain wire (Cat4-5e crossover STP/UTP cable or > >what > >> >> >> >fits into your situation) instead of Ronja and try again. If you > >> >get the > >> >> >> >packetloss as well, then it's a problem of the operating systems > >or > >> >too > >> >> >> >low-end-designed network cards that easily get overrun by > >receiving > >> >> >> >multiple frames at a time. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >CL< > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Do you mean that problem can be in cable? It is realy possible. I > >> >will > >> >> >> change the wire. > >> >> > > >> >> >Which cable? > >> >> > >> >> UTP cable in twister. > >> > > >> >No I don't mean this. I mean put Ronja completely aside and try with a > >> >piece of wire instead of Ronja to determine if the problem is in Ronja > >> >or in rest of the system. > >> > > >> >CL< > >> > >> I did it at first. I used AUI cable + AUI<->UTP transceiver + UTP cable > >and > >> all worked good. > > > >This looks interesting. That should not probably happen unless Ronja design > >is buggy or your device is built wrong. > > > >Please don't delete the line with original description of problem. Please > >describe it again. > > > >If the problem was with full duplex, did you test the wire-only setup in > >full > >duplex too? > > > >Are there any deviations from Ronja guide? > > > >Can you provide photos of electronics insides of your Ronja and overall > >photo > >of your Ronja testing setup? > > > >CL< > > > Problem isn't in FD setting. Just NIC can't work FD that's all. Today's > night I disconnect switch (and disconnect all PCs connected via switch). > And connect twister into the PC NIC. Packet over 1500 works with 0% > packetloss. Problem is, twister can't works good, when it's connected to > the switch. I think that problem can be only with small percent of > switches. This switch is infosmart. Maybe the switch has problems with two packets coming directly one after another. Or maybe with the dreaded auto MDI/X. This looks like Twister is good. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 19:12:05 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 19:09:32 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050419181205.GB8369@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 08:39:06PM +0200, rasken@centrum.cz wrote: > Takze s tema modulama je to takhle: sou ctyri, chovali vsechny uplne stejne. > Pri zapojeni na otestovani reaguji na svetlo hny zmnenou RSII, podle > vdalenosti od 1,8v pri 10cm po 0,05mv na 150cm. Ale proste data pres to > valit nechteji. Test pointy sou + - docela v normne podle navodu. Rasken Please send photos of the modules, their insides and test setup, if possible. CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 19:12:55 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 19:10:21 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: <425308C4.8263.B4FB2B@localhost> References: <425308C4.8263.B4FB2B@localhost> Message-ID: <20050419181255.GC8369@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 09:53:08PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > Kolik to ukazuje rssi bez signalu? > Kdyztak jestli jsi z prahy tak se na to muzu podivat. Zatim jsem zprovoznil vsechno. > Jen nemuzu garantovat dosah, tam jde o to jak blbe je to navrzeny. What do you mean by bad design? Ronja design or PCB design? CL< > > > Takze s tema modulama je to takhle: > > sou ctyri, chovali vsechny uplne stejne. Pri zapojeni na otestovani reaguji na svetlo hny zmnenou RSII, podle vdalenosti od 1,8v pri 10cm po 0,05mv na 150cm. Ale proste data pres to valit nechteji. Test pointy sou + - docela v normne podle navodu. > > Rasken > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 19:17:15 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 19:14:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 80/90mm Lenses; U53 in AUI Forte In-Reply-To: <001c01c53dac$be82ce80$b3ea6cc2@anmic> References: <001c01c53dac$be82ce80$b3ea6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050419181715.GD8369@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 11:07:26AM +0200, anMic wrote: > I've got some questions about Ronja: > * Why does 80mm lenses have higher gain with the HPWT-B leds than 90mm ones? > So isn't it better to use 80mm ones in Metropolis/Tetrapolis? (gains.pdf, > graph 3) Because the 90mm lenses I had happenede to be manufactured in a worse way than 80mm. The 90mm were stronger, had threfore bigger aberration, and also more blue haze. CL< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 19 19:43:53 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Apr 19 19:45:09 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: <20050419181255.GC8369@beton.cybernet.src> References: <425308C4.8263.B4FB2B@localhost> Message-ID: <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> On 19 Apr 2005 at 18:12, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 09:53:08PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > Kolik to ukazuje rssi bez signalu? > > Kdyztak jestli jsi z prahy tak se na to muzu podivat. Zatim jsem zprovoznil vsechno. > > Jen nemuzu garantovat dosah, tam jde o to jak blbe je to navrzeny. > > What do you mean by bad design? Ronja design or PCB design? > > CL< Undisputed whole design of Skontorp's RX PCB is piece of shit. However it seems Ronja design is not stable too. 1N MOSFET's G2 blocking capacitor seems not to be suffficient for all pieces. In designers RF hanbook there is recomendet 100p disc capacitor without "legs" for blocking. However I have tested Petr From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 19 20:19:19 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Apr 19 20:16:46 2005 Subject: [Ronja] 80/90mm Lenses; U53 in AUI Forte In-Reply-To: <001c01c53dac$be82ce80$b3ea6cc2@anmic> References: <001c01c53dac$be82ce80$b3ea6cc2@anmic> Message-ID: <20050419191919.GA8499@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 11:07:26AM +0200, anMic wrote: > * I haven't found power wires for U53 (74HC04) in AUI Forte schematic. Is it > all right this way or should I connect the pin 14 to +5V and the pin 7 to > GND like on other ICs? It's bug. I h ave fixed it. It should be connected to power. Thanks for bugreport. CL< From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 16:02:35 2005 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:02:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] RTL8305SC Message-ID: <20050420150236.53344.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> i opened an REPOTEC RP-1705K 5 port switch and i found on it this ic :RTL8305SC not SB. Modification from Cipis instruction still be available on this ic with SC termination? tks.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 21 20:49:48 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Apr 21 20:47:20 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> References: <425308C4.8263.B4FB2B@localhost> <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> Message-ID: <20050421194948.GA13923@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 08:43:53PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > On 19 Apr 2005 at 18:12, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 09:53:08PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > Kolik to ukazuje rssi bez signalu? > > > Kdyztak jestli jsi z prahy tak se na to muzu podivat. Zatim jsem zprovoznil vsechno. > > > Jen nemuzu garantovat dosah, tam jde o to jak blbe je to navrzeny. > > > > What do you mean by bad design? Ronja design or PCB design? > > > > CL< > > Undisputed whole design of Skontorp's RX PCB is piece of shit. > However it seems Ronja design is not stable too. 1N MOSFET's G2 blocking Did you see any unstable pieces of RX? Were they according to the guide? How did they behave? How did you determine they behave the bad way? Do you think it would help to use 100p capacitor instead of 1n (with wires)? In Combo6 I have seen they use 100p capacitors together with 100n I think, for blocking the IC's. CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 21 22:27:08 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Apr 21 22:24:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] PCB TX ready for =?iso-8859-2?q?release_/_Vys=EDla=E8_s_ti=B9=BB?= =?iso-8859-2?q?=E1kem_p=F8ipraven_k_uvoln=ECn=ED?= Message-ID: <20050421212708.GA14141@beton.cybernet.src> Hello everyone, Dobr? den v?em, PCB TX is ready for release for about 10,800 CZK: http://ronja.twibright.com/news.php PCB TX je p?ipraven? k uvoln?n? za cca. 10 800 K?: http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors_cz.php#ready Money gifts can be newly sent to IBAN "CH51 0070 0113 7000 6508 1" Z?rcher Kantonalbank, Karel Kulhav? Please send an e-mail too stating what details you would like to have in sponsor table. P??sp?vky mohou b?t nov? zas?l?ny na IBAN "CH51 0070 0113 7000 6508 1" Z?rcher Kantonalbank, Karel Kulhav? Pros?m po?lete e-mail s detaily, jak? si p?ejete m?t v seznamu d?rc?. Cheers, Zdrav?m, CL< From polous at katka.biz Thu Apr 21 23:33:07 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Apr 21 23:33:14 2005 Subject: [Ronja] seznam soucastek Message-ID: <42682A23.2060803@katka.biz> Ahoj, Myslim, ze drtiva vetsina lidi, co si chteji postavit ronju se setkala s problemem, jak sestavit seznam soucastek. Tak aby pro celou Ronju (Rx, Tx, PC interface) byla pro kazdou soucastku jen jedna polozka a jeji pocet. At uz za ucelem zaslani objednavky do obchodu, i pro osobni odber *narazim na cloveka stojiciho u pultu, ktery si objedna 2x1k odpor, 3x100n kondi a pak zas 5x 1k odpor....). Je mozne udelat seznam soucastek a hodit ho na wiky, ale za tyden, mesic uz nemusi byt aktualni a potencialni uzivatel si nemusi vsimout ze nektere soucastky nesedi. Proto se ptam jestli je mozne vygenerovat seznam soucastek tak, aby se dal jednoduse importovat do tabulky napr. v Open Office ? Tim myslim rozumnou formu cvs/txt, primo oofice format, mozna i html by to zkouslo. Nebo jestli by neslo stavajci format rozsirit o souhrne seznamy pro "klasicke" kombinace modulu ronji (Metropolis, Tatrapolis). Me osobne to rucni sestavovani zabralo pomerne dost casu. pekny vecer p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 22 11:09:19 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Apr 22 11:06:48 2005 Subject: [Ronja] seznam soucastek In-Reply-To: <42682A23.2060803@katka.biz> References: <42682A23.2060803@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050422100919.GA15674@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 12:33:07AM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > Ahoj, > > Myslim, ze drtiva vetsina lidi, co si chteji postavit ronju se setkala s > problemem, jak sestavit seznam soucastek. Tak aby pro celou Ronju (Rx, > Tx, PC interface) byla pro kazdou soucastku jen jedna polozka a jeji > pocet. At uz za ucelem zaslani objednavky do obchodu, i pro osobni odber > *narazim na cloveka stojiciho u pultu, ktery si objedna 2x1k odpor, > 3x100n kondi a pak zas 5x 1k odpor....). Je mozne udelat seznam > soucastek a hodit ho na wiky, ale za tyden, mesic uz nemusi byt aktualni > a potencialni uzivatel si nemusi vsimout ze nektere soucastky nesedi. > > Proto se ptam jestli je mozne vygenerovat seznam soucastek tak, aby se > dal jednoduse importovat do tabulky napr. v Open Office ? I will make it generate .csv files that can be loaded into OpenOffice. CL< From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Apr 22 14:04:48 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Apr 22 14:04:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] seznam soucastek In-Reply-To: <20050422100919.GA15674@beton.cybernet.src> References: <42682A23.2060803@katka.biz> <20050422100919.GA15674@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200504221504.48387.ladmanj@volny.cz> BTW: kdyby gschem stal za neco, tak to umi sam od sebe jako kazdy system se kterym jsem mel neco docineni. On Friday 22 April 2005 12:09, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 12:33:07AM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > Myslim, ze drtiva vetsina lidi, co si chteji postavit ronju se setkala s > > problemem, jak sestavit seznam soucastek. Tak aby pro celou Ronju (Rx, > > Tx, PC interface) byla pro kazdou soucastku jen jedna polozka a jeji > > pocet. At uz za ucelem zaslani objednavky do obchodu, i pro osobni odber > > *narazim na cloveka stojiciho u pultu, ktery si objedna 2x1k odpor, > > 3x100n kondi a pak zas 5x 1k odpor....). Je mozne udelat seznam > > soucastek a hodit ho na wiky, ale za tyden, mesic uz nemusi byt aktualni > > a potencialni uzivatel si nemusi vsimout ze nektere soucastky nesedi. > > > > Proto se ptam jestli je mozne vygenerovat seznam soucastek tak, aby se > > dal jednoduse importovat do tabulky napr. v Open Office ? > > I will make it generate .csv files that can be loaded into OpenOffice. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Fri Apr 22 17:59:48 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ciBEdm/FmcOhaw==?=) Date: Fri Apr 22 17:59:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> References: <425308C4.8263.B4FB2B@localhost> <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> Message-ID: <42692D84.7060901@centrum.cz> Petr Seliger wrote: >On 19 Apr 2005 at 18:12, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > >>On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 09:53:08PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: >> >> >>>Kolik to ukazuje rssi bez signalu? >>>Kdyztak jestli jsi z prahy tak se na to muzu podivat. Zatim jsem zprovoznil vsechno. >>>Jen nemuzu garantovat dosah, tam jde o to jak blbe je to navrzeny. >>> >>> >>What do you mean by bad design? Ronja design or PCB design? >> >>CL< >> >> > >Undisputed whole design of Skontorp's RX PCB is piece of shit. >However it seems Ronja design is not stable too. 1N MOSFET's G2 blocking >capacitor seems not to be suffficient for all pieces. In designers RF hanbook there is >recomendet 100p disc capacitor without "legs" for blocking. >However I have tested > >Petr > > > > no, navrhu PCB nerozumim, ale chtelo by to poupravit nektere vzdalenosti a rozlozeni soucastek, protoze se tam snadno delaji zkraty. ROOTen From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Fri Apr 22 18:11:39 2005 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Petr_Dvo=F8=E1k?=) Date: Fri Apr 22 18:11:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Kabely mezi tubusy a Twisterem In-Reply-To: <01bf01c541a7$157266d0$0801a8c0@notebook> References: <01bf01c541a7$157266d0$0801a8c0@notebook> Message-ID: <4269304B.6020407@centrum.cz> Laky wrote: > Zdravim, > > zajimam se o to, jake je prakticke volit (primerene drahe) kabely k > twisteru, jelikoz vzdalenost je 40-50 metru. > > Poradi nekdo, na jakou vzdalenost to bude bezpecne 100% funkcni? > > Dalsi moznosti je hodit UTP a switch na strechu (na kterou neni > normalne pristup, jen tak 2x rocne), je v dohledne dobe mozne pocitat > s vystupem z ronje na RJ45 UTP (abych nemusel resit switch a napajeni > na strechu)? > > Komercni reseni PoE je dost drahe. > > Diky vsem. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > No.. PoE se da v domacich podminkach vyrobit celkem slusne, staci "dole" trafo a "nahore" stabilizator na pozadovane napeti+ par soucastek From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Apr 22 19:33:29 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Apr 22 19:33:39 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: <42692D84.7060901@centrum.cz> References: <425308C4.8263.B4FB2B@localhost> <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> <42692D84.7060901@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1114194809.42694379cf2f0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Petr Dvo????k : > Petr Seliger wrote: > > >On 19 Apr 2005 at 18:12, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 09:53:08PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Kolik to ukazuje rssi bez signalu? > >>>Kdyztak jestli jsi z prahy tak se na to muzu podivat. Zatim jsem > zprovoznil vsechno. > >>>Jen nemuzu garantovat dosah, tam jde o to jak blbe je to navrzeny. > >>> > >>> > >>What do you mean by bad design? Ronja design or PCB design? > >> > >>CL< > >> > >> > > > >Undisputed whole design of Skontorp's RX PCB is piece of shit. > >However it seems Ronja design is not stable too. 1N MOSFET's G2 blocking > >capacitor seems not to be suffficient for all pieces. In designers RF > hanbook there is > >recomendet 100p disc capacitor without "legs" for blocking. > >However I have tested > > > >Petr > > > > > > > > > no, navrhu PCB nerozumim, ale chtelo by to poupravit nektere vzdalenosti > a rozlozeni soucastek, protoze se tam snadno delaji zkraty. > > ROOTen > Kdyby jenom to, celej tenhle plosnak od KJS je uplne blbe. Ale abych nesiril jen chmury. Dnes jsem vyzved v Pragoboardu 30ks svoji nove verze RX a ted to s bratrem osazujem. Zatim to vypada, ze muzem cekat necekane a uvidime nevidane. Zitra po obede podam report o vykonech. Petr From polous at katka.biz Sat Apr 23 09:02:03 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Apr 23 09:02:10 2005 Subject: [Ronja] seznam soucastek In-Reply-To: <20050422100919.GA15674@beton.cybernet.src> References: <42682A23.2060803@katka.biz> <20050422100919.GA15674@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <426A00FB.4060506@katka.biz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 12:33:07AM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > > >>Ahoj, >> >>Myslim, ze drtiva vetsina lidi, co si chteji postavit ronju se setkala s >>problemem, jak sestavit seznam soucastek. Tak aby pro celou Ronju (Rx, >>Tx, PC interface) byla pro kazdou soucastku jen jedna polozka a jeji >>pocet. At uz za ucelem zaslani objednavky do obchodu, i pro osobni odber >>*narazim na cloveka stojiciho u pultu, ktery si objedna 2x1k odpor, >>3x100n kondi a pak zas 5x 1k odpor....). Je mozne udelat seznam >>soucastek a hodit ho na wiky, ale za tyden, mesic uz nemusi byt aktualni >>a potencialni uzivatel si nemusi vsimout ze nektere soucastky nesedi. >> >>Proto se ptam jestli je mozne vygenerovat seznam soucastek tak, aby se >>dal jednoduse importovat do tabulky napr. v Open Office ? >> >> > >I will make it generate .csv files that can be loaded into OpenOffice. > >CL< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Be take care about local number formating, when you'll test it. I mean comma in 15,30 (czech) vs. dot in 15.30 (us...). p0l0us From clock at jikos.cz Sun Apr 24 12:24:24 2005 From: clock at jikos.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Apr 24 12:25:00 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CSV for OpenOffice Message-ID: <20050424112424.GA22511@kestrel> Hello I have made that all modules have CSV partlist, both in EN and CZ. Example http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.csv You can get to them by clicking from the module pages. CL< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sun Apr 24 20:17:15 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Sun Apr 24 20:18:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: <20050421194948.GA13923@beton.cybernet.src> References: <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> Message-ID: <426C0CDB.3811.AA6CA@localhost> > > > > Kolik to ukazuje rssi bez signalu? > > > > Kdyztak jestli jsi z prahy tak se na to muzu podivat. Zatim jsem zprovoznil vsechno. > > > > Jen nemuzu garantovat dosah, tam jde o to jak blbe je to navrzeny. > > > > > > What do you mean by bad design? Ronja design or PCB design? > > > > > > CL< > > > > Undisputed whole design of Skontorp's RX PCB is piece of shit. > > However it seems Ronja design is not stable too. 1N MOSFET's G2 blocking > > Did you see any unstable pieces of RX? Were they according to the guide? How > did they behave? How did you determine they behave the bad way? > > Do you think it would help to use 100p capacitor instead of 1n (with > wires)? > Asi moc ne, kdyz tomu kondenzatoru ty nozicky zustanou. V profi konstrukcich jsem zatim videl jen diskovy bezvyvodovy kondenzator, zasazeny ve strebine vyfrezovane do PCB a to jeste hned vedle pripajene vnitrni prepazky. Amateri pak jeste navlekali vselike feritove perly na vselike vyvody tohoto tranzistoru. Naproti tomu ted se chystam otestovat 30ks plosneho spoje, kde je osazen BF998 a ker. kondenzator 100N SMD velikost 0805 a hmota X7R. To by melo byt ze statistickeho hlediska zajimave. Stavajici 4prototypy funguji bez problemu, snad to nebyla jen nahoda. Pro jistotu je hned vedle misto pro 100p velikosti 0603, toz se uvidi. Petr > In Combo6 I have seen they use 100p capacitors together with 100n I > think, for blocking the IC's. > > CL< From sith at wifistar.net Sun Apr 24 20:36:48 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sun Apr 24 20:36:53 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Shanim 26LS32 IO In-Reply-To: <426C0CDB.3811.AA6CA@localhost> References: <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> <426C0CDB.3811.AA6CA@localhost> Message-ID: <426BF550.8060607@wifistar.net> Zdravim. Docela urgentne :-( potrebuji minimalne 2ks techto IO. Neni tu nekdo ochotny? -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at jikos.cz Sun Apr 24 20:48:03 2005 From: clock at jikos.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Apr 24 20:48:50 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: <426C0CDB.3811.AA6CA@localhost> References: <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> <426C0CDB.3811.AA6CA@localhost> Message-ID: <20050424194803.GA7725@kestrel> On 21:17 Sun 24 Apr , Petr Seliger wrote: > > Did you see any unstable pieces of RX? Were they according to the guide? How > > did they behave? How did you determine they behave the bad way? > > > > Do you think it would help to use 100p capacitor instead of 1n (with > > wires)? > > > Asi moc ne, kdyz tomu kondenzatoru ty nozicky zustanou. > V profi konstrukcich jsem zatim videl jen diskovy bezvyvodovy kondenzator, > zasazeny ve strebine vyfrezovane do PCB a to jeste hned vedle pripajene vnitrni > prepazky. > Amateri pak jeste navlekali vselike feritove perly na vselike vyvody tohoto tranzistoru. > Naproti tomu ted se chystam otestovat 30ks plosneho spoje, kde je osazen BF998 a > ker. kondenzator 100N SMD velikost 0805 a hmota X7R. To by melo byt ze > statistickeho hlediska zajimave. Stavajici 4prototypy funguji bez problemu, snad to > nebyla jen nahoda. Pro jistotu je hned vedle misto pro 100p velikosti 0603, toz se > uvidi. What program is the design made in? CL< From kendy at hkfree.org Sun Apr 24 20:57:58 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Sun Apr 24 20:58:01 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Shanim 26LS32 IO In-Reply-To: <426BF550.8060607@wifistar.net> References: <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> <426C0CDB.3811.AA6CA@localhost> <426BF550.8060607@wifistar.net> Message-ID: <426BFA46.2060503@hkfree.org> Ja si je nechavam kupovat v GME brno. Vzdy zatim s uspechem Kendy HKfree David Sedl??ek napsal(a): > Zdravim. Docela urgentne :-( potrebuji minimalne 2ks techto IO. Neni tu > nekdo ochotny? > From sith at wifistar.net Sun Apr 24 21:09:39 2005 From: sith at wifistar.net (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sun Apr 24 21:09:44 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Shanim 26LS32 IO In-Reply-To: <426BFA46.2060503@hkfree.org> References: <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> <426C0CDB.3811.AA6CA@localhost> <426BF550.8060607@wifistar.net> <426BFA46.2060503@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <426BFD03.6090200@wifistar.net> Oka, vyridim. Jsi me docela potesil, cekal sem, ze je v GMku (natoz v Brne) mit nebudou. Kendy - HKFree napsal(a): > Ja si je nechavam kupovat v GME brno. Vzdy zatim s uspechem > > > Kendy > HKfree > > David Sedl??ek napsal(a): > >> Zdravim. Docela urgentne :-( potrebuji minimalne 2ks techto IO. Neni >> tu nekdo ochotny? >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From polous at katka.biz Sun Apr 24 21:38:05 2005 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Apr 24 21:38:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Shanim 26LS32 IO In-Reply-To: <426BF550.8060607@wifistar.net> References: <42656D89.5814.67059C@localhost> <426C0CDB.3811.AA6CA@localhost> <426BF550.8060607@wifistar.net> Message-ID: <426C03AD.30701@katka.biz> David Sedl??ek wrote: > Zdravim. Docela urgentne :-( potrebuji minimalne 2ks techto IO. Neni > tu nekdo ochotny? > mam je doma, praha 6, mas-li zajem 948 87 762 icq p0l0us From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sun Apr 24 21:37:22 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Sun Apr 24 21:38:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: <20050424194803.GA7725@kestrel> References: <426C0CDB.3811.AA6CA@localhost> Message-ID: <426C1FA2.17602.5400C1@localhost> On 24 Apr 2005 at 21:48, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On 21:17 Sun 24 Apr , Petr Seliger wrote: > > > Did you see any unstable pieces of RX? Were they according to the guide? How > > > did they behave? How did you determine they behave the bad way? > > > > > > Do you think it would help to use 100p capacitor instead of 1n (with > > > wires)? > > > > > Asi moc ne, kdyz tomu kondenzatoru ty nozicky zustanou. > > V profi konstrukcich jsem zatim videl jen diskovy bezvyvodovy kondenzator, > > zasazeny ve strebine vyfrezovane do PCB a to jeste hned vedle pripajene vnitrni > > prepazky. > > Amateri pak jeste navlekali vselike feritove perly na vselike vyvody tohoto tranzistoru. > > Naproti tomu ted se chystam otestovat 30ks plosneho spoje, kde je osazen BF998 a > > ker. kondenzator 100N SMD velikost 0805 a hmota X7R. To by melo byt ze > > statistickeho hlediska zajimave. Stavajici 4prototypy funguji bez problemu, snad to > > nebyla jen nahoda. Pro jistotu je hned vedle misto pro 100p velikosti 0603, toz se > > uvidi. > > What program is the design made in? > > CL< Sorry, Clock, Eagle v4.13 freeware. (Nicmene muzu poskytnout filmy a muzes to jako bitmapu exportovat do ceho je libo.) From mira at plavani.org Mon Apr 25 19:57:05 2005 From: mira at plavani.org (Miroslav NOWAK) Date: Mon Apr 25 19:57:07 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah 1500m Message-ID: <426D3D81.7050508@plavani.org> Mam otazku, potrebuji sesitovat dva pocitace na vzdalenost cca 1500m (aspon to tvrdi satelit). Mohu na toto pouzit Ronju? Diky Mira P.S.: Pokud je toto nekde ve FAQ nebo wiki klidne me odkazte do patricnych mist, potrebuju hlavne nakopnout. From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 25 20:18:50 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Apr 25 20:16:11 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah 1500m In-Reply-To: <426D3D81.7050508@plavani.org> References: <426D3D81.7050508@plavani.org> Message-ID: <20050425191850.GA4336@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 08:57:05PM +0200, Miroslav NOWAK wrote: > Mam otazku, potrebuji sesitovat dva pocitace na vzdalenost cca 1500m > (aspon to tvrdi satelit). Mohu na toto pouzit Ronju? Yes, use double transmitter head. CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 25 20:27:18 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Apr 25 20:24:38 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: PHP error In-Reply-To: <426B6E3E.3080502@flaska.net> References: <426B6E3E.3080502@flaska.net> Message-ID: <20050425192718.GA4424@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 12:00:30PM +0200, Jan Kundr?t wrote: > Zdravim, > ad http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors_cz.php#ready : > > Fatal error: Call to undefined function: lang() in > /home/clock/www/twibright.com/ronja/donors.php on line 52 Thanks for report - I can't reproduce it, it was probably due to error with forgotten lang() function I discovered early on. CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 25 20:33:46 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Apr 25 20:31:06 2005 Subject: [Ronja] CSV for OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <426BE3F0.7070702@katka.biz> References: <20050424112424.GA22511@kestrel> <426BE3F0.7070702@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20050425193346.GB4432@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 08:22:40PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >Hello > > > >I have made that all modules have CSV partlist, both in EN and CZ. > > > >Example > >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.csv > > > >You can get to them by clicking from the module pages. > > > >CL< > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > I created php file, that make sum from csv files. You should use it to > make complete partlist for all of models. Thanks, but this reminds me that I should have added the same into the augmented partlists, because the code to generate them already exists :) CL< From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Apr 25 21:03:31 2005 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Apr 25 21:03:45 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah 1500m In-Reply-To: <20050425191850.GA4336@beton.cybernet.src> References: <426D3D81.7050508@plavani.org> <20050425191850.GA4336@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200504252203.35232.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Monday 25 April 2005 21:18, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 08:57:05PM +0200, Miroslav NOWAK wrote: > > Mam otazku, potrebuji sesitovat dva pocitace na vzdalenost cca 1500m > > (aspon to tvrdi satelit). Mohu na toto pouzit Ronju? > > Yes, use double transmitter head. Mas to vyzkouseny, ze to chodi? Ja neverim tomu, ze to bude bez problemu, oba vysilace nebudeou vysilat ve stejne fazi. Jakub > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Apr 25 21:11:54 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Apr 25 21:13:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah 1500m In-Reply-To: <200504252203.35232.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20050425191850.GA4336@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <426D6B2A.16644.AB4DE6@localhost> On 25 Apr 2005 at 22:03, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Monday 25 April 2005 21:18, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 08:57:05PM +0200, Miroslav NOWAK wrote: > > > Mam otazku, potrebuji sesitovat dva pocitace na vzdalenost cca 1500m > > > (aspon to tvrdi satelit). Mohu na toto pouzit Ronju? > > > > Yes, use double transmitter head. > Mas to vyzkouseny, ze to chodi? > Ja neverim tomu, ze to bude bez problemu, oba vysilace nebudeou vysilat ve > stejne fazi. Jo, vyzkouseno. Jen kabel mezi TX aTX by nemel byt delsi nez pul metru. Nicmene pro jistoru jsem k tomu dodelal ze stareho AUI rozbocovac a vypada to ze to po male uprave bude chodit i 2-3km. Petr > Jakub > > > > CL< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Apr 25 21:11:54 2005 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Apr 25 21:13:25 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah 1500m In-Reply-To: <200504252203.35232.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20050425191850.GA4336@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <426D6B2A.11603.AB4C92@localhost> On 25 Apr 2005 at 22:03, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Monday 25 April 2005 21:18, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 08:57:05PM +0200, Miroslav NOWAK wrote: > > > Mam otazku, potrebuji sesitovat dva pocitace na vzdalenost cca 1500m > > > (aspon to tvrdi satelit). Mohu na toto pouzit Ronju? > > > > Yes, use double transmitter head. > Mas to vyzkouseny, ze to chodi? > Ja neverim tomu, ze to bude bez problemu, oba vysilace nebudeou vysilat ve > stejne fazi. > Jakub > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zapadlo at melzer.cz Tue Apr 26 06:42:40 2005 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Tue Apr 26 06:42:51 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah 1500m In-Reply-To: <200504252203.35232.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <426D3D81.7050508@plavani.org> <20050425191850.GA4336@beton.cybernet.src> <200504252203.35232.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200504260742.40792.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne po 25. dubna 2005 22:03 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > On Monday 25 April 2005 21:18, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 08:57:05PM +0200, Miroslav NOWAK wrote: > > > Mam otazku, potrebuji sesitovat dva pocitace na vzdalenost cca 1500m > > > (aspon to tvrdi satelit). Mohu na toto pouzit Ronju? > > > > Yes, use double transmitter head. > > Mas to vyzkouseny, ze to chodi? > Ja neverim tomu, ze to bude bez problemu, oba vysilace nebudeou vysilat ve > stejne fazi. Zkousel jsem to na stole, a normalne mi to chodilo. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From Rasken at centrum.cz Tue Apr 26 12:47:16 2005 From: Rasken at centrum.cz (Rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Tue Apr 26 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [Ronja] delka UTP k Twistru Message-ID: <200504261347.29381@centrum.cz> Zdarc, jake mate zkusenosti s delkou UTP kabelu od PC nebo switch k Twistru? Ja mam momentalne nezi Twistrem a switchem (obyc kancelarsky 8port 3com) momentalne 15m a slape mi to v poho. Rasken From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Apr 26 15:40:24 2005 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=9Aek?=) Date: Tue Apr 26 15:40:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] delka UTP k Twistru References: <200504261347.29381@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000e01c54a6d$e224f250$0103450a@thechosen> 40m, delsi sem nemel Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: [Ronja] delka UTP k Twistru > Zdarc, jake mate zkusenosti s delkou UTP kabelu od PC nebo switch k Twistru? > Ja mam momentalne nezi Twistrem a switchem (obyc kancelarsky 8port 3com) momentalne 15m a slape mi to v poho. Rasken > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > --- avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. Virova databaze (VPS): 0517-0, 25.04.2005 Testovano: 26.4.2005 16:40:25 avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From kendy at hkfree.org Tue Apr 26 15:52:23 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Tue Apr 26 15:52:35 2005 Subject: [Ronja] delka UTP k Twistru References: <200504261347.29381@centrum.cz> <000e01c54a6d$e224f250$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <013601c54a6f$8e446740$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Naprimo do Twisteru nebo na ceste mas nejake trafa ? -- Kendy HKfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malůšek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] delka UTP k Twistru > 40m, delsi sem nemel > > Glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:47 PM > Subject: [Ronja] delka UTP k Twistru > > > > Zdarc, jake mate zkusenosti s delkou UTP kabelu od PC nebo switch k > Twistru? > > Ja mam momentalne nezi Twistrem a switchem (obyc kancelarsky 8port > 3com) momentalne 15m a slape mi to v poho. Rasken > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Odchozi zprava cista. > Virova databaze (VPS): 0517-0, 25.04.2005 > Testovano: 26.4.2005 16:40:25 > avast! (c) copyright 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Rasken at centrum.cz Tue Apr 26 18:41:05 2005 From: Rasken at centrum.cz (Rasken@centrum.cz) Date: Tue Apr 26 18:41:12 2005 Subject: [Ronja] delka UTP k Twistru Message-ID: <200504261941.19877@centrum.cz> Prave ze uplne naprimo. Bez jakyhkoliv "posilovac=F9" + jeste UTP za= suvka ve zdi=20 takze dalsi "utlum".=20 Rasken > > Naprimo do Twisteru nebo na ceste mas nejake trafa ? >=20 > -- > Kendy > >=20 >=20 > > 40m, delsi sem nemel > > > > Glo > > >> > > > > > > > Zdarc, jake mate zkusenosti s delkou UTP kabelu od PC nebo switch= k > >> Twistru? > > > Ja mam momentalne nezi Twistrem a switchem (obyc kancelarsky 8por= t > > >3com) momentalne 15m a slape mi to v poho. Rasken From sorin at bz.ines.ro Tue Apr 26 19:08:23 2005 From: sorin at bz.ines.ro (Sorin Popa) Date: Tue Apr 26 19:08:27 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Repotec RP-1705K switch Message-ID: <000b01c54a8a$ef8573d0$0d13320a@sorin> Indeedm Cipis specification for RTL8305SB/SC it's ok. On this Switch,pin 107 and pin 104 need to be put on ground ,after that port 1 became an 10mbit full duplex forced. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20050426/52f87a2b/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 27 19:55:09 2005 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Apr 27 19:52:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja AUI In-Reply-To: <1.1-23731-1590303539-1114547879@seznam.cz> References: <1.1-23731-1590303539-1114547879@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050427185509.GA12099@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 10:38:00PM +0200, Ji?? Drajik wrote: > Zobrazit kompletn? hlavi?ku | Ozna?it zpr?vu vyk?i?n?kem Odeslan? e-mail P?edm?t (Subject): Ronja AUI > Datum (Date): 26.4.2005 20:40 > Od (From): "Ji?? Drajik" P?idat do adres??e > Zablokovat odes?latele > > Komu (To): clock@twibringht.com P?idat do adres??e > > > > > Zdrav?m Omlouv?m se ,?e V?s takto ???p?epad?m??? sv?m dotazem. Jako > duchovn?ho otce projektu RONJA bych V?s r?d po??dal o n?zor a radu.Sh?n?m > toti? n?koho komu chod? AUI RONJA na 10ti Mbitech. Ud?lal ???vrab?? > hn?zda???,dle Va?eho pl?nku, (moje VF konstrukce tak? ?asto nesn??ej? > plo???k) ve dvou krabi?k?ch. Ov??il spr?vnou funkci kmito?tov?ch > ???v?hybek??? a jednotky p?ipojil k 3C590 (PCI) .Krabi?ky jsem propojil > k???em kabely a po t? co bylo ve WIN. nastaveno AUI ,za?al bezprobl?mov? > pingat. Kop?rov?n? v?t??ho archivu ov?em signalizovalo na p?enosovou rychlost > okolo 1Mbit/sec .Vym?nil jsem karty za ov??en? (chodily dob?e na UTP) ,ale > nic se nezm?nilo.Z nejist?ch pocit? se zrodilo zd??en? ,?e je to asi norm?ln? > ,kdy? jsem si p?e?etl na CZFree o spoji ( Deu, Kov?k? 12 , Praha 5 And?l ) , > kter? tam testovali na 1.12Mbit/sec (?l?nek m?l t?m?? oslavn? charakter) . > Chceme s p??teli propojit Linuxovsk? stroje (DEBIAN) ,ale proto?e v part? n?m > chyb? GURU, museli jsme ob? s??ov? karty nakonfigurovat na AUI servisn? > disketou v DOSovsk? ma?in?.V nejlep??m p??pad? p?en???me 1.9Mbit/sec ,zd? se > mi ,?e probl?m bude v ovlada??ch karet. The problem may be in that the cross wire is either too crappy so it has cross-talk, or that at least one of the cards is not switched to full duplex. CL< > > ?ivot m? u? nau?il ne?ekat maximum a tak bych byl spokojen s 6ti ???7mi Mbity > ,ale 1 ?i 2 mi opravdu p?ipad? m?lo. > > Jirka > > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From anmic at fmg.sk Thu Apr 28 17:05:56 2005 From: anmic at fmg.sk (anMic) Date: Thu Apr 28 17:06:29 2005 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja AUI References: <1.1-23731-1590303539-1114547879@seznam.cz> <20050427185509.GA12099@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000301c54c0c$3bc3bf90$8feb6cc2@anmic> I have built two Ronja AUI interfaces recently and tested it successfully on Knoppix boot cd. Does anyone know how to force 3c590 AUI NIC to work full-duplex under Windows XP? Thanks, anMic > On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 10:38:00PM +0200, Ji?? Drajik wrote: > > Zobrazit kompletn? hlavi?ku | Ozna?it zpr?vu vyk?i?n?kem Odeslan? e-mail P?edm?t (Subject): Ronja AUI > > Datum (Date): 26.4.2005 20:40 > > Od (From): "Ji?? Drajik" P?idat do adres??e > Zablokovat odes?latele > > > Komu (To): clock@twibringht.com P?idat do adres??e > > > > > > > > > Zdrav?m Omlouv?m se ,?e V?s takto ???p?epad?m??? sv?m dotazem. Jako > > duchovn?ho otce projektu RONJA bych V?s r?d po??dal o n?zor a radu.Sh?n?m > > toti? n?koho komu chod? AUI RONJA na 10ti Mbitech. Ud?lal ???vrab?? > > hn?zda???,dle Va?eho pl?nku, (moje VF konstrukce tak? ?asto nesn??ej? > > plo???k) ve dvou krabi?k?ch. Ov??il spr?vnou funkci kmito?tov?ch > > ???v?hybek??? a jednotky p?ipojil k 3C590 (PCI) .Krabi?ky jsem propojil > > k???em kabely a po t? co bylo ve WIN. nastaveno AUI ,za?al bezprobl?mov? > > pingat. Kop?rov?n? v?t??ho archivu ov?em signalizovalo na p?enosovou rychlost > > okolo 1Mbit/sec .Vym?nil jsem karty za ov??en? (chodily dob?e na UTP) ,ale > > nic se nezm?nilo.Z nejist?ch pocit? se zrodilo zd??en? ,?e je to asi norm?ln? > > ,kdy? jsem si p?e?etl na CZFree o spoji ( Deu, Kov?k? 12 , Praha 5 And?l ) , > > kter? tam testovali na 1.12Mbit/sec (?l?nek m?l t?m?? oslavn? charakter) . > > Chceme s p??teli propojit Linuxovsk? stroje (DEBIAN) ,ale proto?e v part? n?m > > chyb? GURU, museli jsme ob? s??ov? karty nakonfigurovat na AUI servisn? > > disketou v DOSovsk? ma?in?.V nejlep??m p??pad? p?en???me 1.9Mbit/sec ,zd? se > > mi ,?e probl?m bude v ovlada??ch karet. > > The problem may be in that the cross wire is either too crappy so it has > cross-talk, or that at least one of the cards is not switched to full duplex. > > CL< > > > > > > ?ivot m? u? nau?il ne?ekat maximum a tak bych byl spokojen s 6ti ???7mi Mbity > > ,ale 1 ?i 2 mi opravdu p?ipad? m?lo. > > > > > Jirka > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB > > > From krepa at seznam.cz Fri Apr 29 09:39:20 2005 From: krepa at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Pavel=20Krejci?=) Date: Fri Apr 29 09:39:24 2005 Subject: [Ronja] HP managable switch problem Message-ID: <426.1045-9247-925151198-1114763959@seznam.cz> Cau, setkal jste se nekdo s timhle? my totiz mame vlan switch od HP (Procurve 2626) a te je zrejme "moc chytrej" a twister s nim ma trochu problemy pise to hlasky typu Duplex Mismatch Error on port 3 Excessive CRC/Alignment Errors on port 3 prestoze to je nastavene na 10FullDuplex Blbne to s ronjama (twisterama) na co se mame zamerit? Dalsi vec je, ze i kdyz bychom se meli poohlednout po jinem swtchi, tak guli chce aby podporoval VLAN 802.1q Tusite nekdo kde je zakopany pes? Diky. Pavel Krejci ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB From kendy at hkfree.org Fri Apr 29 09:52:32 2005 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Fri Apr 29 09:52:42 2005 Subject: [Ronja] HP managable switch problem References: <426.1045-9247-925151198-1114763959@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <006401c54c98$c890cd00$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> A co vypnout autonego ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel Krejci" To: Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: [Ronja] HP managable switch problem Cau, setkal jste se nekdo s timhle? my totiz mame vlan switch od HP (Procurve 2626) a te je zrejme "moc chytrej" a twister s nim ma trochu problemy pise to hlasky typu Duplex Mismatch Error on port 3 Excessive CRC/Alignment Errors on port 3 prestoze to je nastavene na 10FullDuplex Blbne to s ronjama (twisterama) na co se mame zamerit? Dalsi vec je, ze i kdyz bychom se meli poohlednout po jinem swtchi, tak guli chce aby podporoval VLAN 802.1q Tusite nekdo kde je zakopany pes? Diky. Pavel Krejci ____________________________________________________________ http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at jikos.cz Fri Apr 29 17:31:22 2005 From: clock at jikos.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Apr 29 17:32:15 2005 Subject: [Ronja] HP managable switch problem In-Reply-To: <426.1045-9247-925151198-1114763959@seznam.cz> References: <426.1045-9247-925151198-1114763959@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20050429163122.GB8746@kestrel.barix.com> On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 10:39:20AM +0200, Pavel Krejci wrote: > Cau, > > setkal jste se nekdo s timhle? > > > my totiz mame vlan switch od HP (Procurve 2626) > a te je zrejme "moc chytrej" a twister s nim ma trochu problemy pise to > hlasky typu > Duplex Mismatch Error on port 3 > Excessive CRC/Alignment Errors on port 3 > prestoze to je nastavene na 10FullDuplex Can't the problem be in that the switch allows only limitation of offered autonegotiation capabilities and not true 10Mbps full duplex enforcement? CL< > > > Blbne to s ronjama (twisterama) na co se mame zamerit? > Dalsi vec je, ze i kdyz bychom se meli poohlednout po jinem swtchi, > tak guli chce aby podporoval VLAN 802.1q > > Tusite nekdo kde je zakopany pes? > > Diky. > Pavel Krejci > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.seznam.cz - e-mailov? schr?nka 2000 MB > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja