From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Sep 1 06:31:15 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Sep 1 06:31:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaka cocka? In-Reply-To: <20040831210125Z1302078-23099+133597@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040831210125Z1302078-23099+133597@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200409010731.15814.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > mily pane Glo, zaklady optiky mam, ale pochybuju ze v ucebninci pro ZS > (nebo i SS) najdu rozdil mezi (vetnamskou) lupou a cockou.... Rozdil mezi vietnamskou lupou a cockou je v kvalite. Tj cocka se vice blizi svemu matematickemu modelu :-). Ja pouzivam jako hruby etalon kvality paleni papiru cockou na slunci (pouzitelne jen jako srovnavaci metoda) Cim cocka pali lepe, tim ma mensi ohnisko (a je do nej soustredeno vice energie). Napr vietnamska lupa byla horsi nez (13cm) nez cocka, kterou je vypreparoval z promitacky a mela 90cm. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From jan.martinu at post.cz Wed Sep 1 07:30:29 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (=?UTF-8?B?SmFuIE1hcnRpbsWv?=) Date: Wed Sep 1 07:30:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jake konektory? In-Reply-To: <000f01c48eef$600eb100$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001101c48cf3$528a6680$02086b0a@atintel> <20040828122800.GA6629@beton.cybernet.src><000701c48cff$12bb4b30$02086b0a@atintel> <41309C72.9000606@post.cz> <000f01c48eef$600eb100$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <41356C85.5050006@post.cz> U kabelu seriznes asi 5mm buzirky a stineni az na stredovy vodic a pak ten konektor nasroubujes na ten kabel - musi to jit ztuha, muzes ho zase odsroubovat a podivat se, jestli zavit prorizl buzirku a dotykal se stineni ;-) Z toho vypliva, ze ty konektory jsou ruzne podle prumeru kabelu. Panelove konektory maji stredovou matku, tj. montaz spociva ve vyvrtani otvoru patricneho prumeru, vlozeni konektoru a nasroubovani matky. Milan Korda napsal(a): > Tak me napada, jak se tam ty konektory teda spravne montujou? Je tam > nejake uskali, na ktere bych si mel dat pozor? :) > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Martin?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 7:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jake konektory? > > >> Sroubovaci konektory "F" - snadna montaz na kabel bez pajeni, >> minimalni cena, pri spravne montazi se kabel z konektoru prakticky >> neda rucne vytrhnout (overeno), zadne problemy s oxidaci na rozhrani >> hlinik/med, odpadnou zcela problemy s montazi koaxu do "cokolady". >> Hlavni nevyhodou je, ze konektor s kladnym polem na stineni musi byt >> izolovan od krabicek (resim gumovou pruchodkou). >> From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Sep 1 07:41:12 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?Q?Michal_Mal=C5=AF=C5=A1ek?=) Date: Wed Sep 1 07:41:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jake konektory? References: <001101c48cf3$528a6680$02086b0a@atintel> <20040828122800.GA6629@beton.cybernet.src><000701c48cff$12bb4b30$02086b0a@atintel> <41309C72.9000606@post.cz><000f01c48eef$600eb100$02086b0a@atintel> <41356C85.5050006@post.cz> Message-ID: <000501c48fee$ac681ff0$0103450a@thechosen> > U kabelu seriznes asi 5mm buzirky a stineni az na stredovy vodic a pak > ten konektor nasroubujes na ten kabel - musi to jit ztuha, muzes > ho zase odsroubovat a podivat se, jestli zavit prorizl buzirku a dotykal > se stineni ;-) Z toho vypliva, ze ty konektory jsou ruzne podle prumeru > kabelu. presne tak, musis koupit konektor na soravnej kabel, kdyz mas rg59 myusis si koupit konektor na rg59. a i tehdy bych si kus kabelu v zal sebou a zkusil si to nasadit. > Panelove konektory maji stredovou matku, tj. montaz spociva ve vyvrtani > otvoru patricneho prumeru, vlozeni konektoru a nasroubovani matky. > > Milan Korda napsal(a): > > > Tak me napada, jak se tam ty konektory teda spravne montujou? Je tam > > nejake uskali, na ktere bych si mel dat pozor? :) > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Martin?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 7:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jake konektory? > > > > > >> Sroubovaci konektory "F" - snadna montaz na kabel bez pajeni, > >> minimalni cena, pri spravne montazi se kabel z konektoru prakticky > >> neda rucne vytrhnout (overeno), zadne problemy s oxidaci na rozhrani > >> hlinik/med, odpadnou zcela problemy s montazi koaxu do "cokolady". > >> Hlavni nevyhodou je, ze konektor s kladnym polem na stineni musi byt > >> izolovan od krabicek (resim gumovou pruchodkou). > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Wed Sep 1 07:47:21 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Wed Sep 1 07:47:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaka cocka? Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A946@vestex01.vest.corp> > Cim cocka pali lepe, tim ma mensi ohnisko (a je do nej > soustredeno vice > energie). Napr vietnamska lupa byla horsi nez (13cm) nez > cocka, kterou je > vypreparoval z promitacky a mela 90cm. To je solidni cocka. Skoro metrova... :-) BTW: dalo by se to s tou lampou zamerit tak, ze udelam na treba trimetrove vzdalenosti obraz (svetelnou plochu) stejneho prumeru jako je cocka a pak si zmerim vzadlenost od cocky ke zdroji? -- Kosac From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Sep 1 08:03:38 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Sep 1 08:04:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaka cocka? References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A946@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <001501c48ff1$ce904c30$0103450a@thechosen> jo jde to tak. ale radsi pouzij treba tu ledku. ale neni to nic moc presne. teda kdyz nebudes svitit na 30metru v noci a nezameris na druhe strane ostry krystal ledky. pak ses presne ve vietnamskem ohnisku. plus minus autobus :) ale to staci protoze se stejne ladi az v roure. to Jakub Michn?k: to je take reseni toh domaciho ukolu :) Glo > Cim cocka pali lepe, tim ma mensi ohnisko (a je do nej > soustredeno vice > energie). Napr vietnamska lupa byla horsi nez (13cm) nez > cocka, kterou je > vypreparoval z promitacky a mela 90cm. To je solidni cocka. Skoro metrova... :-) BTW: dalo by se to s tou lampou zamerit tak, ze udelam na treba trimetrove vzdalenosti obraz (svetelnou plochu) stejneho prumeru jako je cocka a pak si zmerim vzadlenost od cocky ke zdroji? -- Kosac _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kuna at alphanet.sk Wed Sep 1 09:12:37 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Wed Sep 1 08:20:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro plastova ronja Message-ID: <004901c48ffb$731f2240$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> co sa tyka rone,pouzil som plastovu ruru ruzovu na odpad 140mm bez vyhrievacich odporov hermeticky som ju uzatvoril a naplnil som ju dusikom .nainstaloval som ju 6.1. 2004 na spoj dlhy 850m ,takze prezila zimu aj leto bez problemov,na plaste som zatial nepobadal ziadne zmeny. ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040901/36349daa/attachment.htm From kneza at poupe.net Wed Sep 1 08:43:55 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Sep 1 08:43:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 Full Duplex Message-ID: <41357DBB.4030202@poupe.net> Ahoj, jak muzu u 3c900 v linuxu overit ze bezi ve fullduplexu? 1) jsem to nastavil pres dos util 2) jsem zkousel cpat parametry modulu ale kdyz pustim mii-tool tak mi rekne: eth3: 10 Mbit, half duplex, link ok a ethtool mi rekne : Settings for eth3: No data available Takze nejak nevim nevim... P.S. nechci odpoved dle toho jak to bezi :D Kneza From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Sep 1 08:59:40 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Sep 1 09:00:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 Full Duplex References: <41357DBB.4030202@poupe.net> Message-ID: <000901c48ff9$a29048d0$0103450a@thechosen> zjistis to jedine kdyz pripojis twistera a zapnes na nem loopback. pak udelas klasickej loopback test kdyz rekneme pingnes 1000 packetu floodem tcpdump musi ukazat presne dvojnasobek packetu (jde tam zapnout pocitani). pokud by karta jela na halfduplex bude velmi znatelne lossovat. stejne tak bude lossovat kdyz udelas spoj ronjou a jedna sitovka bude half a druha full duplex. obe half nevadi. take takhel rpovozuju 3c900 a funi full. musis fullduplex specifikovat uz pri nacitani modulu a zapnutim pres dos utilitu nic nezkazis. modprobe 3c59x full_duplex=1 jako half se bude hlasit porad :/ Glo > Ahoj, > > jak muzu u 3c900 v linuxu overit ze bezi ve fullduplexu? > 1) jsem to nastavil pres dos util > 2) jsem zkousel cpat parametry modulu > > ale kdyz pustim mii-tool tak mi rekne: > eth3: 10 Mbit, half duplex, link ok > > a ethtool mi rekne : > Settings for eth3: > No data available > > > Takze nejak nevim nevim... > > P.S. nechci odpoved dle toho jak to bezi :D > > Kneza > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Wed Sep 1 12:24:45 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Sep 1 09:21:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaka cocka? In-Reply-To: <20040831210125Z1302078-23099+133597@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040831210125Z1302078-23099+133597@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <4135B17D.2010603@katka.biz> Jakub Michn?k wrote: >______________________________________________________________ > > >>Od: Michal Malusek >>Komu: "Twibright Ronja" >>Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:36:33 +0200 >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] jaka cocka? >> >>vis co to je ohnisko? pokud ano tak ti nic nebrani to tam dat. pokud ne >>precti si nejakou ucebnici fyziky pro zakladni skoly nebo tak neco. zaklad >>optiky se ti urcite hodi. >> >>Glo >> >> > >mily pane Glo, zaklady optiky mam, ale pochybuju ze v ucebninci pro ZS (nebo i SS) najdu rozdil mezi (vetnamskou) lupou a cockou.... > > Nemate tak docela pravdu, rozdil ci popis vetnamske cocky tam jiste nenajdete, ale letos sem se ucil na prijmacky s fyzyky v kostce a pojmy jako "ohnisko", "index lomu" ci "spojna cocka" je tam popsano, vcetne "kulove vady" a "opticke mohutnosti". Staci si to jen precist. Dalsi literatura vam muze byt napomocna napr. Fyzika pro stredni skoly nebo Fyzika - prehled stredoskolske latky pro prijmaci zkousky na technicke univerzity, ktera je k dostani v prodejne skript na cvut v praze dejvicich [pozor je to jen prehled, takze pro lidi, kteri SS jiz vychodili a neco si tam odtud odnesli]. Myslim, ze zastavka v knihovne ci prodejne ucebnic muze byt v tomto smeru velmi poucna. Dalsi zdroj informaci muze byt samozrejme gugl, nebot zakladni pojmy, ktere ma ma clovek hledat jsem vam jiz vyjmenoval. Tim samozrejme nechci spochybnovat vase vedomosti, ale ukazat cestu lidem, kteri je nemaji a chteli by je ziskat. [treba aby se nemuseli ptat v optice, jak se meri ohnisko ;-)] ohnisko zmerite napriklad tak, ze vezmete bod, nejlepe v nekonecnu, ale slunce postaci a zaostrite ho na zem [jako maly kluci, kdyz vypaluji mravence, takze pozor at si neco nevypalite]. Mno a kdyz je zaostreno, tak vzdalenost od zeme by mela byt dostatecne podobna [skoro stejna] ohniskove vzdalenosti cocky .. vietnamci maji neco kolem 30cm, cemuz odpovida i konstrukce tubusu. Pekny den p0l0us From polous at katka.biz Wed Sep 1 12:34:36 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Sep 1 09:31:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 Full Duplex In-Reply-To: <000901c48ff9$a29048d0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <41357DBB.4030202@poupe.net> <000901c48ff9$a29048d0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <4135B3CC.9020303@katka.biz> Pokud bude zapojen loopback twister a karta v 10M-Half D., tak by snad zadne packety ani projit nemeli, protoze karta neni schopna vysilat a prijmat najednou [to vlastne jasne ne]. Pod linuxem jeste existuji mii-tool, ktere delaji to same, ze jinak a kdyz mi na nejake karty nefungoval ethtool, tak mii jo.. zkus to .. na wiky je popsano, tak to priblizne delat. Pokud muzes popsat [nejaky navod] jak se nastavuje prez tu dos utilitu [jestli to teda funguje], tak to prosim hod na wiky k nastaveni nebo sem, a ja to tam pridam... jo - je to v RonjaSetupHints nebo tak neco. zdar p0l0us Michal Malusek wrote: >zjistis to jedine kdyz pripojis twistera a zapnes na nem loopback. pak >udelas klasickej loopback test kdyz rekneme pingnes 1000 packetu floodem >tcpdump musi ukazat presne dvojnasobek packetu (jde tam zapnout pocitani). >pokud by karta jela na halfduplex bude velmi znatelne lossovat. stejne tak >bude lossovat kdyz udelas spoj ronjou a jedna sitovka bude half a druha full >duplex. obe half nevadi. take takhel rpovozuju 3c900 a funi full. musis >fullduplex specifikovat uz pri nacitani modulu a zapnutim pres dos utilitu >nic nezkazis. > >modprobe 3c59x full_duplex=1 > >jako half se bude hlasit porad :/ > >Glo > > > >>Ahoj, >> >>jak muzu u 3c900 v linuxu overit ze bezi ve fullduplexu? >>1) jsem to nastavil pres dos util >>2) jsem zkousel cpat parametry modulu >> >>ale kdyz pustim mii-tool tak mi rekne: >>eth3: 10 Mbit, half duplex, link ok >> >>a ethtool mi rekne : >>Settings for eth3: >>No data available >> >> >>Takze nejak nevim nevim... >> >>P.S. nechci odpoved dle toho jak to bezi :D >> >>Kneza >> >> From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Sep 1 09:52:12 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Sep 1 09:52:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 Full Duplex References: <41357DBB.4030202@poupe.net> <000901c48ff9$a29048d0$0103450a@thechosen> <4135B3CC.9020303@katka.biz> Message-ID: <001001c49000$f939c8d0$0103450a@thechosen> > Pokud bude zapojen loopback twister a karta v 10M-Half D., tak by snad > zadne packety ani projit nemeli, protoze karta neni schopna vysilat a > prijmat najednou [to vlastne jasne ne]. mozna neprojde nic, loopback na HF sem nikdynezkousel, jen na tom posji vim ze losuje asi 40% > Pod linuxem jeste existuji mii-tool, ktere delaji to same, ze jinak a > kdyz mi na nejake karty nefungoval ethtool, tak mii jo.. zkus to .. na > wiky je popsano, tak to priblizne delat. ethtool si s 3c900 nerozumi, funguje mii-tool ale ten to zase nenastavi a spatne to ukazuje, asi chyba v driverech sitovky pro nova jadra, mam dojem ze v 2.2.x mi to ukazovalo dobre. jeste je mii-diag, ten je z 2.2.x linuxu jeste asi, ten nevim jak e stim chova. > Pokud muzes popsat [nejaky navod] jak se nastavuje prez tu dos utilitu > [jestli to teda funguje], tak to prosim hod na wiky k nastaveni nebo > sem, a ja to tam pridam... na tiki me nikdo nedostane :) ja tam nejsem shopnej najit jedinou vec :) nezkutecnej web. textu bambilion ale jeste sem se tam nic nedocetl :)) krom seznamu uzivatelu :) takze to tak kdyz tak hod radsi ty co lidi psaly (a uz i zde na mlistu jsme to resily) tak u tehle karty je nutne mit driver jako modul a ten loadovat modprobe 3c59x full_duplex=1 (kdyz das modprobe 3c59x hledat tady na mlistu neco najdes) coz by pry melo stacit. ale nic se nezkazi na to kouknout utilitkou od vyrobce to jest stahnout druhou disketu ovladacu pro kartu 3com900, ropzbalit :). mam dojem ze to je stejny balik jako pro 3c905. tam se nachazi dos program 3C90XCFG.EXE. ten v dosu, ne widlich, pustit, a tam uz to je prost edos woknoidni aplikace kde sikazdej nastavi co chce. to uz snad popis nepotrebuje. a pokud selze i zdravy rozum tak v adresari help je file DOSDIAG.TXT a tam je to popsane. pro anglicky vladnouci. > jo - je to v RonjaSetupHints nebo tak neco. > > zdar > p0l0us > > Michal Malusek wrote: > > >zjistis to jedine kdyz pripojis twistera a zapnes na nem loopback. pak > >udelas klasickej loopback test kdyz rekneme pingnes 1000 packetu floodem > >tcpdump musi ukazat presne dvojnasobek packetu (jde tam zapnout pocitani). > >pokud by karta jela na halfduplex bude velmi znatelne lossovat. stejne tak > >bude lossovat kdyz udelas spoj ronjou a jedna sitovka bude half a druha full > >duplex. obe half nevadi. take takhel rpovozuju 3c900 a funi full. musis > >fullduplex specifikovat uz pri nacitani modulu a zapnutim pres dos utilitu > >nic nezkazis. > > > >modprobe 3c59x full_duplex=1 > > > >jako half se bude hlasit porad :/ > > > >Glo > > > > > > > >>Ahoj, > >> > >>jak muzu u 3c900 v linuxu overit ze bezi ve fullduplexu? > >>1) jsem to nastavil pres dos util > >>2) jsem zkousel cpat parametry modulu > >> > >>ale kdyz pustim mii-tool tak mi rekne: > >>eth3: 10 Mbit, half duplex, link ok > >> > >>a ethtool mi rekne : > >>Settings for eth3: > >>No data available > >> > >> > >>Takze nejak nevim nevim... > >> > >>P.S. nechci odpoved dle toho jak to bezi :D > >> > >>Kneza > >> > >> > > From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Sep 1 10:50:38 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Wed Sep 1 10:50:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 Full Duplex In-Reply-To: <4135B3CC.9020303@katka.biz> References: <41357DBB.4030202@poupe.net> <000901c48ff9$a29048d0$0103450a@thechosen> <4135B3CC.9020303@katka.biz> Message-ID: <41359B6E.30009@hoidekr.net> Martin Polehla wrote: > Pokud bude zapojen loopback twister a karta v 10M-Half D., tak by snad > zadne packety ani projit nemeli, protoze karta neni schopna vysilat a > prijmat najednou [to vlastne jasne ne]. Vcera jsem zkousel twistra na loopback test a zapomnel jsem prepnout sitovku do FD. Nejaky data projdou. Tcpdump vypisoval 4(=2vyslane+2prijate) pakety priblizne jednou za 10 sekund. po preonuti na FD uz to slo krasne po dvojicich kazdou sekundu. Karta Realtek 8139, FD jsem nastavoval pres mii-tool. > > Pod linuxem jeste existuji mii-tool, ktere delaji to same, ze jinak a > kdyz mi na nejake karty nefungoval ethtool, tak mii jo.. zkus to .. na > wiky je popsano, tak to priblizne delat. > > Pokud muzes popsat [nejaky navod] jak se nastavuje prez tu dos utilitu > [jestli to teda funguje], tak to prosim hod na wiky k nastaveni nebo > sem, a ja to tam pridam... > > jo - je to v RonjaSetupHints nebo tak neco. > > zdar > p0l0us > > Michal Malusek wrote: > >> zjistis to jedine kdyz pripojis twistera a zapnes na nem loopback. pak >> udelas klasickej loopback test kdyz rekneme pingnes 1000 packetu floodem >> tcpdump musi ukazat presne dvojnasobek packetu (jde tam zapnout >> pocitani). >> pokud by karta jela na halfduplex bude velmi znatelne lossovat. stejne >> tak >> bude lossovat kdyz udelas spoj ronjou a jedna sitovka bude half a >> druha full >> duplex. obe half nevadi. take takhel rpovozuju 3c900 a funi full. musis >> fullduplex specifikovat uz pri nacitani modulu a zapnutim pres dos >> utilitu >> nic nezkazis. >> >> modprobe 3c59x full_duplex=1 >> >> jako half se bude hlasit porad :/ >> >> Glo >> >> >> >>> Ahoj, >>> >>> jak muzu u 3c900 v linuxu overit ze bezi ve fullduplexu? >>> 1) jsem to nastavil pres dos util >>> 2) jsem zkousel cpat parametry modulu >>> >>> ale kdyz pustim mii-tool tak mi rekne: >>> eth3: 10 Mbit, half duplex, link ok >>> >>> a ethtool mi rekne : >>> Settings for eth3: >>> No data available >>> >>> >>> Takze nejak nevim nevim... >>> >>> P.S. nechci odpoved dle toho jak to bezi :D >>> >>> Kneza >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Wed Sep 1 11:44:30 2004 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vojtech_Cizinsk=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 1 11:45:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] C153 - dalsi exemplar References: <20040727072151Z278873-29342+4070@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000501c49010$a939f200$0202a8c0@woita> Mam tu dalsi exemplar receiveru, ktery jede na 60cm s c153 a na 2 metry bez nej. Navic bez prispeni elektronicke aury Michala Maluska. Pred vyndanim kondenzatoru to jelo fakt sitozne, nepomohla trojnasobna vymena FETu (vse BF988, nekupovane najednou, navic z ruznych obchodu), operaku (zkouseno s NE592-14, NE592-8, a nejaky TLko) ani limiteru (tentokrat pouze 2 exemplare :o) ). Vyndani c153 byla posledni sance...a fungujici. WoiTa From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Sep 1 12:06:16 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:06:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] C153 - dalsi exemplar References: <20040727072151Z278873-29342+4070@mail.centrum.cz> <000501c49010$a939f200$0202a8c0@woita> Message-ID: <000701c49013$b3e4a120$0103450a@thechosen> cece diky chlape, ani nevys jako si mi udelal radost :) ja myslel ze sem prznitel fetu a nejsme v tom sam stim ze ten fet ani neprznim. pls muzes udelat fotku? bych se cihl co tam treb amame stejne :) Glo > Mam tu dalsi exemplar receiveru, ktery jede na 60cm s c153 a na 2 metry bez > nej. Navic bez prispeni elektronicke aury Michala Maluska. > Pred vyndanim kondenzatoru to jelo fakt sitozne, nepomohla trojnasobna > vymena FETu (vse BF988, nekupovane najednou, navic z ruznych obchodu), > operaku (zkouseno s NE592-14, NE592-8, a nejaky TLko) ani limiteru > (tentokrat pouze 2 exemplare :o) ). Vyndani c153 byla posledni sance...a > fungujici. > > WoiTa > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Sep 1 12:08:15 2004 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:08:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaka cocka? In-Reply-To: <20040831175704Z1306389-23097+129598@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040831175704Z1306389-23097+129598@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040901110814.GB10039@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Dneska sem byl v optice a ptal sem se jak zmerim ohnisko lupy. rikala > ze to je tezke, bo lupa je naka "jina". ze to neni jak obyc cocka. Lupa neni zadna "jina", je jako kazda jina spojna cocka. Co myslis obyc cockou? > obyc cocku mi zmerila. myslel sem si, ze kdyz mam treba lampu na > strope, rozsvitim ji, cockou zaostrim treba na zem a zmerim vzdalenost > mezi cockou a zemi. jenze tohle sem delal pak aji v kuchyni na stole Zmeris vzdalenost mezi cockou a zemi a oznacis ji a. Zmeris vzdalenost mezi cockou a lampou a oznacis ji a'. Pak vypoctes ohniskovou vzdalenost podle vzorce 1/f = 1/a + 1/a' Pokud zmeris vzdalenost mezi cockou a zemi a prohlasis ji za ohniskovou vzdalenost, tak tento postup funguje jen tehdy, pokud je vzdalenost od cocky k lampe nekonecne velka. > (bliz k lampe) a ono me pomyslne ohnisko se posunulo......jak mam > potom dal LEDku do ohniska??? nebo kde to najdu? je to popsame v Ohnisko je jen jedno - je to bod, kde se sbihaji paprsky, kdyz je lampa nekonecne daleko. > navodu? nenasel sem to :/ Jo, musim to tam dopsat, dal jsem si to do TODO listu. Cl< > > dik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Sep 1 12:28:13 2004 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Sep 1 12:28:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] C153 - dalsi exemplar In-Reply-To: <000501c49010$a939f200$0202a8c0@woita> References: <20040727072151Z278873-29342+4070@mail.centrum.cz> <000501c49010$a939f200$0202a8c0@woita> Message-ID: <20040901112813.GA13072@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Mam tu dalsi exemplar receiveru, ktery jede na 60cm s c153 a na 2 metry bez > nej. Navic bez prispeni elektronicke aury Michala Maluska. > Pred vyndanim kondenzatoru to jelo fakt sitozne, nepomohla trojnasobna > vymena FETu (vse BF988, nekupovane najednou, navic z ruznych obchodu), > operaku (zkouseno s NE592-14, NE592-8, a nejaky TLko) ani limiteru > (tentokrat pouze 2 exemplare :o) ). Vyndani c153 byla posledni sance...a > fungujici. Ja planuju se na ten Maluskuv zahadnej exemplar podivat, protoze prisla bourka a odpraskla nam asi prijimac. Nasledkem toho jsme pri diagnostice pojitka objevili bugu na vysilaci (byla to stara konstrukce asi 2 roky, bez toho elytu co byl za 7805, takze to pri odpojeni signalu nezhaslo a misto toho to palilo diodu). Tudiz se vymenuje i vysilac, a tim padem se musi vzit novy vysilac, novy prijimac, zapojit je a naladit na 50% stridu. A tim padem rovnou muzu pritom ozkouset ten Maluskuv kus co se tam deje. Ted jsem zas uprimne prestal pochybovat o tom ze by to byl vadny tranzistor. Cl< > > WoiTa > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Sep 1 13:12:02 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Wed Sep 1 13:12:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] seliger twister ? In-Reply-To: <1093632263.412f8108008f7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> <412E693E.3050200@sattnet.cz> <412EBD46.60001@katka.biz> <412ECD89.3040207@katka.biz> <1093632263.412f8108008f7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <4135BC92.9040001@hoidekr.net> Muzes nekde vystavit schema zapojeni filtru a PoE? diky Honza PS: moc pekna krabicka Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Pod destickou se skryvaji jen nejake SMD kondiky pro filtraci napajeni, jinak > nic. Pres to UTP jeste jede takove sverazne PoE. > Jedina vada na krase je chladic, stoji v GMe 80Kc a je tam jen proto aby se 7805 > mohl pripajet primo na desku twistera a mel zaroven dobry kontakt s krabici. > V nedeli vecer dodam rozpisku materialu. > > Petr Seliger > > Quoting Martin Polehla : > > >>Ahoj, >>tak brousim po galerii a narazil sem na tohle: >>http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg >> >>zajmalo by mne, co se skryva pod destickou (na ni), co sou pridelane bnc >>konektory a utp [+ traficko(?)] ?? to je nejake vylepseni twistera ? >> >>btw. ta krabicka s konektorama a chladicem je moc pekna :)) >> >>p0l0us >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Sep 1 17:57:22 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Sep 1 17:58:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaka cocka? Message-ID: <20040901165736Z1305957-23097+153959@mail.centrum.cz> OK. ja vim co je index lomu a takove ty pojmy kolem, jenom sem si neuvedomil ze ty paprsky z te lempy asi nejdou rovnobezne,takze mi vysel rozdil v tech vzdalenostech. a pak ta zenska v te optice nemluvila o vadach lupy/cocky, ale spis o konstrukci, i kdyz mi se to porad nezda...ona porad mlela cosi o zvetseni,ale ze nake dioptrie nebo ohn. vzdalenost.... moc sem z ni chytry nebyl :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Martin Polehla > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:24:45 -0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] jaka cocka? > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > >______________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>Od: Michal Malusek > >>Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > >>Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:36:33 +0200 > >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] jaka cocka? > >> > >>vis co to je ohnisko? pokud ano tak ti nic nebrani to tam dat. pokud ne > >>precti si nejakou ucebnici fyziky pro zakladni skoly nebo tak neco. zaklad > >>optiky se ti urcite hodi. > >> > >>Glo > >> > >> > > > >mily pane Glo, zaklady optiky mam, ale pochybuju ze v ucebninci pro ZS (nebo i SS) najdu rozdil mezi (vetnamskou) lupou a cockou.... > > > > > Nemate tak docela pravdu, rozdil ci popis vetnamske cocky tam jiste > nenajdete, ale letos sem se ucil na prijmacky s fyzyky v kostce a pojmy > jako "ohnisko", "index lomu" ci "spojna cocka" je tam popsano, vcetne > "kulove vady" a "opticke mohutnosti". Staci si to jen precist. Dalsi > literatura vam muze byt napomocna napr. Fyzika pro stredni skoly nebo > Fyzika - prehled stredoskolske latky pro prijmaci zkousky na technicke > univerzity, ktera je k dostani v prodejne skript na cvut v praze > dejvicich [pozor je to jen prehled, takze pro lidi, kteri SS jiz > vychodili a neco si tam odtud odnesli]. Myslim, ze zastavka v knihovne > ci prodejne ucebnic muze byt v tomto smeru velmi poucna. Dalsi zdroj > informaci muze byt samozrejme gugl, nebot zakladni pojmy, ktere ma ma > clovek hledat jsem vam jiz vyjmenoval. Tim samozrejme nechci > spochybnovat vase vedomosti, ale ukazat cestu lidem, kteri je nemaji a > chteli by je ziskat. [treba aby se nemuseli ptat v optice, jak se meri > ohnisko ;-)] > > ohnisko zmerite napriklad tak, ze vezmete bod, nejlepe v nekonecnu, ale > slunce postaci a zaostrite ho na zem [jako maly kluci, kdyz vypaluji > mravence, takze pozor at si neco nevypalite]. Mno a kdyz je zaostreno, > tak vzdalenost od zeme by mela byt dostatecne podobna [skoro stejna] > ohniskove vzdalenosti cocky .. vietnamci maji neco kolem 30cm, cemuz > odpovida i konstrukce tubusu. > > Pekny den > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Sep 2 15:45:40 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Thu Sep 2 15:45:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg References: <20040902110026.29674gmx1@mx060.gmx.net> Message-ID: <19734.1094136340@www22.gmx.net> Hi ! My questions to these Foto : *) Whats the big advantage, if you use a Transformer for the TP-IF ? *) Is it really nececcary to have such a big cooler for the volatge regulatior ?!? http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg -- NEU: Bis zu 10 GB Speicher für e-mails & Dateien! 1 GB bereits bei GMX FreeMail http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Thu Sep 2 20:25:35 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Thu Sep 2 20:26:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krabice od PC zdroje Message-ID: <20040902192541Z1302358-23099+184401@mail.centrum.cz> resil sem problem s krabickou na twistra. jednoho mam skoro vyreseneho (davali sme nove anteny a naky zesilovac co sme meli na pude byl v plast. krabicce ve ktere je trafo ( 9V:/) a pak plechova krab. s hromadou civek a kondiku. kdyz se to dobre vykucha a vymeni to trafa tak je to uplny luxux :) ) na druheho sem zatim nesehnal vhodny plech ale mam doma dost krabici od PC zdroju. je to sice derave jak reseto,ale to by snad nemelo az tak moc vadit (nebo jo?!). chci se zeptat jestli muzu napajeci zdroj (nake obyc trafko 4x D 1x vyhlaz. C) dat vedle twistra. proste ze budou ve spolecne krabici. nebude se to nak vzajemne rusit? velikost je tak akorat.... From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Thu Sep 2 20:29:32 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Thu Sep 2 20:30:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA Message-ID: <20040902192941Z1302416-23097+184713@mail.centrum.cz> kde kupujete trubky na vysilac a primac? ja byl ve stavebninach a zelezarstvi na > 60mm byly jenom 63mm 75mm 110mm.... (nepasuje do toho solidne zadna lupa krome 75,ktere mi dal vetnamec kazdou jinou:/.... hlavne me ale zajimaji ty vicka kteryma je to ucpane, a ve kterych je umistena cocka. ja se to totiz chystam udelat na soustruhu ale at treba nemarnim cas... dik From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Sep 1 21:12:34 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Sep 2 21:12:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krabice od PC zdroje In-Reply-To: <20040902192541Z1302358-23099+184401@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040902192541Z1302358-23099+184401@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <421346429.20040901221234@volny.cz> Ja pouzivam na Twistry "kulate krabicky" - kourova vicka, ktera jsou pomedena. Jedna krabicka slozena ze dvou vicek vyjde na 50Kc. Ondra JM> resil sem problem s krabickou na twistra. jednoho mam skoro vyreseneho (davali sme nove anteny a naky zesilovac co sme meli na pude byl v plast. krabicce ve ktere je trafo ( 9V:/) a pak plechova JM> krab. s hromadou civek a kondiku. kdyz se to dobre vykucha a vymeni to trafa tak je to uplny luxux :) ) na druheho sem zatim nesehnal vhodny plech ale mam doma dost krabici od PC zdroju. je to JM> sice derave jak reseto,ale to by snad nemelo az tak moc vadit (nebo jo?!). chci se zeptat jestli muzu napajeci zdroj (nake obyc trafko 4x D 1x vyhlaz. C) dat vedle twistra. proste ze budou ve JM> spolecne krabici. nebude se to nak vzajemne rusit? velikost je tak akorat.... JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Sep 1 21:11:17 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Sep 2 21:12:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA In-Reply-To: <20040902192941Z1302416-23097+184713@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040902192941Z1302416-23097+184713@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1931269054.20040901221117@volny.cz> A to je dotaz na plasty nebo original kourovody? Ondra JM> kde kupujete trubky na vysilac a primac? ja byl ve stavebninach a zelezarstvi na > 60mm byly jenom 63mm 75mm 110mm.... (nepasuje do toho solidne zadna lupa krome 75,ktere mi dal vetnamec kazdou JM> jinou:/.... JM> hlavne me ale zajimaji ty vicka kteryma je to ucpane, a ve kterych je umistena cocka. ja se to totiz chystam udelat na soustruhu ale at treba nemarnim cas... JM> dik JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Thu Sep 2 22:40:44 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Thu Sep 2 22:32:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA In-Reply-To: <20040902192941Z1302416-23097+184713@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040902192941Z1302416-23097+184713@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <4137935C.1040605@jkl.darktech.org> Jakub Michn?k wrote: > kde kupujete trubky na vysilac a primac? ja byl ve stavebninach a zelezarstvi na > 60mm byly jenom 63mm 75mm 110mm.... (nepasuje do toho solidne zadna lupa krome 75,ktere mi dal vetnamec kazdou jinou:/.... > > hlavne me ale zajimaji ty vicka kteryma je to ucpane, a ve kterych je umistena cocka. ja se to totiz chystam udelat na soustruhu ale at treba nemarnim cas... > > dik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > Jsou to normalni kourove trubky. Sezenou se bez problemu v Bauhauzu, patrne i v obi. Na stejnem miste hned vedle nich budou mit i ucpavky = budouci drzak cocky. From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 3 08:14:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 08:14:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krabice od PC zdroje In-Reply-To: <20040902192541Z1302358-23099+184401@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040902192541Z1302358-23099+184401@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040903071451.GC17603@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 09:25:35PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > resil sem problem s krabickou na twistra. jednoho mam skoro vyreseneho > (davali sme nove anteny a naky zesilovac co sme meli na pude byl v plast. > krabicce ve ktere je trafo ( 9V:/) a pak plechova krab. s hromadou civek a > kondiku. kdyz se to dobre vykucha a vymeni to trafa tak je to uplny luxux :) > ) na druheho sem zatim nesehnal vhodny plech ale mam doma dost krabici od PC > zdroju. je to sice derave jak reseto,ale to by snad nemelo az tak moc vadit > (nebo jo?!). chci se zeptat jestli muzu napajeci zdroj (nake obyc trafko 4x D > 1x vyhlaz. C) dat vedle twistra. proste ze budou ve spolecne krabici. nebude > se to nak vzajemne rusit? velikost je tak akorat.... Muzes. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 3 08:15:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 08:16:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA In-Reply-To: <20040902192941Z1302416-23097+184713@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040902192941Z1302416-23097+184713@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040903071558.GD17603@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 09:29:32PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > kde kupujete trubky na vysilac a primac? ja byl ve stavebninach a zelezarstvi > na > 60mm byly jenom 63mm 75mm 110mm.... (nepasuje do toho solidne zadna lupa > krome 75,ktere mi dal vetnamec kazdou jinou:/.... http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware nadpis "Roury" Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 3 09:02:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 09:02:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krabice od PC zdroje In-Reply-To: <421346429.20040901221234@volny.cz> References: <20040902192541Z1302358-23099+184401@mail.centrum.cz> <421346429.20040901221234@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040903080239.GA18578@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 10:12:34PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ja pouzivam na Twistry "kulate krabicky" - kourova vicka, ktera jsou > pomedena. Jedna krabicka slozena ze dvou vicek vyjde na 50Kc. Hm, koukal jsem se na ty fotky. Mechanicky je to pomerne zajimavy napad zejmena proto, ze se tam usetri spousta mista v rozich. Z architektonicky-estetickeho hlediska to je take zajimave, nebot to vnasi prvek kruhu do jinak krabicovitych tvaru elektroniky ;-) (Sumny Tesaruv Twister). Z hlediska ceny to zni take vyborne a sehnatelnost je taky asi dobra. Nicmene do navodu to nedam, protoze to bude pravdepodobne hovno-hovno elektromagneticky tesnit. Ale jestli to chces dat do user contributions tak tam neco napis, pro lidi kterym bude jedno ze to bude z hlediska elektromagnetickeho mizerne to muze byt zajimave. Ale at je to v contribs, at na me pak nechodej kdyz jim to bude kvuli tomu nejak blbnout :) Ty fotky uploadnu na galerku. Cl< > > Ondra > > JM> resil sem problem s krabickou na twistra. jednoho mam skoro vyreseneho (davali sme nove anteny a naky zesilovac co sme meli na pude byl v plast. krabicce ve ktere je trafo ( 9V:/) a pak plechova > JM> krab. s hromadou civek a kondiku. kdyz se to dobre vykucha a vymeni to trafa tak je to uplny luxux :) ) na druheho sem zatim nesehnal vhodny plech ale mam doma dost krabici od PC zdroju. je to > JM> sice derave jak reseto,ale to by snad nemelo az tak moc vadit (nebo jo?!). chci se zeptat jestli muzu napajeci zdroj (nake obyc trafko 4x D 1x vyhlaz. C) dat vedle twistra. proste ze budou ve > JM> spolecne krabici. nebude se to nak vzajemne rusit? velikost je tak akorat.... > > > > > > JM> _______________________________________________ > JM> Ronja mailing list > JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ilicz at seznam.cz Fri Sep 3 09:02:48 2004 From: ilicz at seznam.cz (Ilicz von Cwok) Date: Fri Sep 3 09:10:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krabice od PC zdroje In-Reply-To: <20040903080239.GA18578@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040902192541Z1302358-23099+184401@mail.centrum.cz> <421346429.20040901221234@volny.cz> <20040903080239.GA18578@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41382528.6010807@seznam.cz> Mno sice by to byla prace navic, ale neresilo by krabicku zevnitr/zvenku "vystrikat" - pokovit? Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 10:12:34PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > >>Ja pouzivam na Twistry "kulate krabicky" - kourova vicka, ktera jsou >>pomedena. Jedna krabicka slozena ze dvou vicek vyjde na 50Kc. > > > Hm, koukal jsem se na ty fotky. Mechanicky je to pomerne zajimavy napad zejmena > proto, ze se tam usetri spousta mista v rozich. Z architektonicky-estetickeho > hlediska to je take zajimave, nebot to vnasi prvek kruhu do jinak krabicovitych > tvaru elektroniky ;-) (Sumny Tesaruv Twister). Z hlediska ceny to zni take > vyborne a sehnatelnost je taky asi dobra. Nicmene do navodu to nedam, > protoze to bude pravdepodobne hovno-hovno elektromagneticky tesnit. > > Ale jestli to chces dat do user contributions tak tam neco napis, pro lidi > kterym bude jedno ze to bude z hlediska elektromagnetickeho mizerne to muze > byt zajimave. Ale at je to v contribs, at na me pak nechodej kdyz jim to bude > kvuli tomu nejak blbnout :) > > Ty fotky uploadnu na galerku. > > Cl< ---------- * www.inMail.cz - Vase emailova adresa na cely zivot ZDARMA * www.czechia.com - profesionalni webhosting a registrace domen za vyhodne ceny * Zoner Media Explorer 6 - Poznejte kouzlo digit?ln? fotografie! (http://www.zoner.cz/zme6) From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 3 09:19:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 09:19:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?! =?iso-8859-2?Q?pro=E8_ne_pl?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?astov=E1?= trubka In-Reply-To: <000301c2db8c$554a9210$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> References: <4133003D.8070803@host.sk> <000301c2db8c$554a9210$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Message-ID: <20040903081936.GA18649@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:38:49PM +0100, Ale? Pavel wrote: > > > > Ja neviem, ale mne sa zda najdolezitejsi fakt ten, ze plechova trubka > > ovela lepsie odraza el-mag vlnenie ako plastova. > > Nad tim jsem nepremyslel to je fakt. Ja nevim ze se nedelaj treba karoserie u auta z plastu - to by bylo pak jako na autodraze - auta by do sebe narazily na dalnici, odrazily by se jako pingpongove micky a ucastnici dopravni nehody by z toho meli akorat ohromnou prcu :) No i kdyz takovej Traband, ten to mel z nejakeho tusim bakelitoveho laminatu :) Cl< > > > > Mame sice spravene zatial vsetko cez plast, ale na dhle spoje > > by som to > > neriskoval. Do toho zahrnujem aj UW, WiFi, laser a neviem co > > vsetko. Je mi divne, ze sa bavite preve o roztaznosti. btw > > kov v takej dlzke by > > mal mat nepomerne vyssie odolne vlastnosti voci pocasiu ako plast. > > Jak jsem ?ekl to je preci pitomost. Kov ma vetsi roztaznost nez > plast,rezne a krouti se. > > > > PVC-U je sice fajn, ale ked vam na to bude svietit slnko a ten plast > > nebude UW upraveny, tak sa bude lamat a bude krehky. > Tie > > vlastnosti maju > > skoro vsetky polyadovane marialy. > Ten plast o kterem s takovou jistotou mluvis najdes na skoro v?ech > novych baracich, neosetren ani barvou a st?le drzici tvar a pevny. > Krom toho ka?d? inteligenti clovek to alespon natre nez to strci na > strechu. > > > Taktiez zmena letnych pneumatik na > > aute a zimne - to nie je len otazka dezenu, je to aj otazka > > krehkosti a > > roztaznosti materialu v roznych teplotnych podmienkach. Letne > > pneumatiky > > v zime krehnu, teda sa okrem ineho smykaju. A zimne pneumatiky v lete > > maju vysoku roztaznost, co sposobuje vacsiu prilnavost k > > vozovke a tym > > vacsia spotreba motoru. > > Tak fajn dej si na strechu radeji zimni pneumatiky:-) (sem nezabihej je > to opravdu jiny material) > > > Neviem, ci by som robil tie trubky z plastu - akehokolvek - plasty su > > relativne nova technologia tak tazko povedat :) (teda co sa > > tyka dlhych > > prepojov) > > Ja fakt nevim kde by mel byt problem. Mam pocit ze mas mensi sanci ze ti > to tepelne uhne nez u kovu, lepe se to opracovava a tusim ze je to i > levnejsi. > > Aldik > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Fri Sep 3 13:59:30 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 13:59:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA Message-ID: <20040903125932Z1303386-283+13715@mail.centrum.cz> A nevis jestli maji i prumery na 75 a 110 mm roury? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Jan Kleisner > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:40:44 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > kde kupujete trubky na vysilac a primac? ja byl ve stavebninach a zelezarstvi na > 60mm byly jenom 63mm 75mm 110mm.... (nepasuje do toho solidne zadna lupa krome 75,ktere mi dal vetnamec kazdou jinou:/.... > > > > hlavne me ale zajimaji ty vicka kteryma je to ucpane, a ve kterych je umistena cocka. ja se to totiz chystam udelat na soustruhu ale at treba nemarnim cas... > > > > dik > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Jsou to normalni kourove trubky. Sezenou se bez problemu v Bauhauzu, > patrne i v obi. Na stejnem miste hned vedle nich budou mit i ucpavky = > budouci drzak cocky. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Fri Sep 3 17:27:50 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Sep 3 14:24:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA In-Reply-To: <20040903125932Z1303386-283+13715@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040903125932Z1303386-283+13715@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <41389B86.3040109@katka.biz> Jakub Michn?k wrote: >A nevis jestli maji i prumery na 75 a 110 mm roury? > >______________________________________________________________ > > >>Od: Jan Kleisner >>Komu: Twibright Ronja >>Datum: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:40:44 +0200 >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA >> >>Jakub Michn?k wrote: >> >> >>>kde kupujete trubky na vysilac a primac? ja byl ve stavebninach a zelezarstvi na > 60mm byly jenom 63mm 75mm 110mm.... (nepasuje do toho solidne zadna lupa krome 75,ktere mi dal vetnamec kazdou jinou:/.... >>> >>>hlavne me ale zajimaji ty vicka kteryma je to ucpane, a ve kterych je umistena cocka. ja se to totiz chystam udelat na soustruhu ale at treba nemarnim cas... >>> >>>dik >>> >>> v hornbachu maj 100% 75 a 110 sem tam myslim videl taky .... From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 3 14:29:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 14:29:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA In-Reply-To: <20040903125932Z1303386-283+13715@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040903125932Z1303386-283+13715@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040903132931.GA19641@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 02:59:30PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > A nevis jestli maji i prumery na 75 a 110 mm roury? Je to zrejme nejaka sada prumeru. Ja si pamatuju akorat ze v tom bylo 145mm a pak myslim 100mm. Jestli nekdo zjisti velou tu sadu prumeru a napise ji na Wikinu, bude to prospesne :) Cl< > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Jan Kleisner > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:40:44 +0200 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA > > > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > kde kupujete trubky na vysilac a primac? ja byl ve stavebninach a zelezarstvi na > 60mm byly jenom 63mm 75mm 110mm.... (nepasuje do toho solidne zadna lupa krome 75,ktere mi dal vetnamec kazdou jinou:/.... > > > > > > hlavne me ale zajimaji ty vicka kteryma je to ucpane, a ve kterych je umistena cocka. ja se to totiz chystam udelat na soustruhu ale at treba nemarnim cas... > > > > > > dik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > Jsou to normalni kourove trubky. Sezenou se bez problemu v Bauhauzu, > > patrne i v obi. Na stejnem miste hned vedle nich budou mit i ucpavky = > > budouci drzak cocky. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kero at matfyz.cz Fri Sep 3 14:48:26 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Fri Sep 3 14:49:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] L51 v twistrovi Message-ID: <4138762A.3090701@matfyz.cz> Ahojky, proc je v navodu na twister napsana jako civka 10 zavitu atd. misto te zelene soucastky, at se jmenuje jak chce co je na vetsine obrazku? Jake jsou nevyhody a pokud chci pouzit tu zelenou, jak se jmenuje? M2jte se, Kero From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Sep 3 15:46:23 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 15:46:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] L51 v twistrovi References: <4138762A.3090701@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <001101c491c4$c8cde210$0103450a@thechosen> ta zelena kupovana indukcnost je ze slabeho dratku, takze pri skratu pry shori. kdyz to zkratujes. me se to jeste nestalo. tak proto tam vratil clock tu motanou ze silneho dratu, ta jen tak neshori. Glo > Ahojky, > proc je v navodu na twister napsana jako civka 10 zavitu atd. misto te zelene > soucastky, at se jmenuje jak chce co je na vetsine obrazku? Jake jsou nevyhody a > pokud chci pouzit tu zelenou, jak se jmenuje? > > M2jte se, Kero > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 3 17:08:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 17:08:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] L51 v twistrovi In-Reply-To: <4138762A.3090701@matfyz.cz> References: <4138762A.3090701@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <20040903160838.GA20390@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 03:48:26PM +0200, Kero wrote: > Ahojky, > proc je v navodu na twister napsana jako civka 10 zavitu atd. misto te > zelene soucastky, at se jmenuje jak chce co je na vetsine obrazku? Jake > jsou nevyhody a pokud chci pouzit tu zelenou, jak se jmenuje? Nevyhody te zelene jsou ze clovek musi znat zkratovy proud zdroje ktery pouzije a podle toho ji koupit. Co to je za soucastku je napsano tady dole: http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material_cz.php Cl< > > M2jte se, Kero > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Fri Sep 3 18:35:07 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 18:35:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA Message-ID: <20040903173510Z1303451-279+18265@mail.centrum.cz> zitra jedu za svou milou a hornbach mam celkem po ceste, tak se zkusim stavit a dyz tak opisu co tam maji..... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:29:31 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA > > On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 02:59:30PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > A nevis jestli maji i prumery na 75 a 110 mm roury? > > Je to zrejme nejaka sada prumeru. Ja si pamatuju akorat ze v tom bylo > 145mm a pak myslim 100mm. Jestli nekdo zjisti velou tu sadu prumeru > a napise ji na Wikinu, bude to prospesne :) > > Cl< > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: Jan Kleisner > > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > > Datum: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:40:44 +0200 > > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] kde koupit trubky a VICKA > > > > > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > > kde kupujete trubky na vysilac a primac? ja byl ve stavebninach a zelezarstvi na > 60mm byly jenom 63mm 75mm 110mm.... (nepasuje do toho solidne zadna lupa krome 75,ktere mi dal vetnamec kazdou jinou:/.... > > > > > > > > hlavne me ale zajimaji ty vicka kteryma je to ucpane, a ve kterych je umistena cocka. ja se to totiz chystam udelat na soustruhu ale at treba nemarnim cas... > > > > > > > > dik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > Jsou to normalni kourove trubky. Sezenou se bez problemu v Bauhauzu, > > > patrne i v obi. Na stejnem miste hned vedle nich budou mit i ucpavky = > > > budouci drzak cocky. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kero at matfyz.cz Fri Sep 3 18:52:19 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Fri Sep 3 18:52:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] L51 v twistrovi In-Reply-To: <20040903160838.GA20390@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4138762A.3090701@matfyz.cz> <20040903160838.GA20390@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4138AF53.9040001@matfyz.cz> Dekuji A jeste otazecka: Na nekolika obrazcich jsou nekter IC ruzne pospojovane draty, to je proto, ze nekdo neco prepalil? http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/clock/twister/dscn0477.jpg http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/cipis/P8210880.JPG Mejte se, Kero Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 03:48:26PM +0200, Kero wrote: > >>Ahojky, >>proc je v navodu na twister napsana jako civka 10 zavitu atd. misto te >>zelene soucastky, at se jmenuje jak chce co je na vetsine obrazku? Jake >>jsou nevyhody a pokud chci pouzit tu zelenou, jak se jmenuje? > > > Nevyhody te zelene jsou ze clovek musi znat zkratovy proud zdroje ktery > pouzije a podle toho ji koupit. > > Co to je za soucastku je napsano tady dole: > http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material_cz.php From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Sep 3 20:33:42 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Sep 3 20:33:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg In-Reply-To: <19734.1094136340@www22.gmx.net> References: <20040902110026.29674gmx1@mx060.gmx.net> <19734.1094136340@www22.gmx.net> Message-ID: <1094240022.4138c71633252@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Sigfried Hollrigl : > > Hi ! > > My questions to these Foto : > > *) Whats the big advantage, if you use a Transformer for the TP-IF ? with transformer is possible use of longer UTP cable. In my case aprox. 25meters > > *) Is it really nececcary to have such a big cooler for the > volatge regulatior ?!? > Primary use of such cooler is reduction of work. Just solder 7805 and then screw 3 screws and you are finish (time is money). Secondary is withstandig terrible temperature conditions on my rooftop :) > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg > > -- > NEU: Bis zu 10 GB Speicher f?r e-mails & Dateien! > 1 GB bereits bei GMX FreeMail http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Sep 3 20:36:32 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Sep 3 20:36:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] L51 v twistrovi In-Reply-To: <20040903160838.GA20390@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4138762A.3090701@matfyz.cz> <20040903160838.GA20390@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1094240192.4138c7c031508@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> A jake jsou duvody, ze tam neni dana pojistka? > On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 03:48:26PM +0200, Kero wrote: > > Ahojky, > > proc je v navodu na twister napsana jako civka 10 zavitu atd. misto te > > zelene soucastky, at se jmenuje jak chce co je na vetsine obrazku? Jake > > jsou nevyhody a pokud chci pouzit tu zelenou, jak se jmenuje? > > Nevyhody te zelene jsou ze clovek musi znat zkratovy proud zdroje ktery > pouzije a podle toho ji koupit. > > Co to je za soucastku je napsano tady dole: > http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material_cz.php > > Cl< > > > > M2jte se, Kero > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 3 21:12:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 21:12:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] L51 v twistrovi In-Reply-To: <4138AF53.9040001@matfyz.cz> References: <4138762A.3090701@matfyz.cz> <20040903160838.GA20390@beton.cybernet.src> <4138AF53.9040001@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <20040903201234.GB22186@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 07:52:19PM +0200, Kero wrote: > Dekuji > A jeste otazecka: Na nekolika obrazcich jsou nekter IC ruzne pospojovane > draty, to je proto, ze nekdo neco prepalil? > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/clock/twister/dscn0477.jpg > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/cipis/P8210880.JPG To prvni je prototyp kde to je kvuli chybam. To druhe nevim proc je, je to moje. Normalne zadne dratky neni treba letovat. Cl< > > Mejte se, Kero > > Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > >On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 03:48:26PM +0200, Kero wrote: > > > >>Ahojky, > >>proc je v navodu na twister napsana jako civka 10 zavitu atd. misto te > >>zelene soucastky, at se jmenuje jak chce co je na vetsine obrazku? Jake > >>jsou nevyhody a pokud chci pouzit tu zelenou, jak se jmenuje? > > > > > >Nevyhody te zelene jsou ze clovek musi znat zkratovy proud zdroje ktery > >pouzije a podle toho ji koupit. > > > >Co to je za soucastku je napsano tady dole: > >http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material_cz.php > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 3 21:14:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 21:14:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] L51 v twistrovi In-Reply-To: <20040903201234.GB22186@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4138762A.3090701@matfyz.cz> <20040903160838.GA20390@beton.cybernet.src> <4138AF53.9040001@matfyz.cz> <20040903201234.GB22186@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040903201403.GA22231@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 08:12:34PM +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 07:52:19PM +0200, Kero wrote: > > Dekuji > > A jeste otazecka: Na nekolika obrazcich jsou nekter IC ruzne pospojovane > > draty, to je proto, ze nekdo neco prepalil? > > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/clock/twister/dscn0477.jpg > > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/cipis/P8210880.JPG > > To prvni je prototyp kde to je kvuli chybam. To druhe nevim proc je, je to > moje. Normalne zadne dratky neni treba letovat. Je to moje -> neni to moje. Mozegfault. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 3 22:39:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 3 22:39:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide Message-ID: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have created two bash scripts using wget and GNU grep at least 2.5 to download Ronja Guide on a local machine. http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/DownloadRonja Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Sep 4 08:19:25 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Sep 4 08:18:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide References: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001901c4924f$82f89f60$fd02a8c0@diablo> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide > Hello > > I have created two bash scripts using wget and GNU grep at least 2.5 Predpokladam, ze je to zase jen pro Linux. :( > to download Ronja Guide on a local machine. > > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/DownloadRonja > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.860 (20040903) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From klapek at kki.net.pl Sat Sep 4 08:55:14 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sat Sep 4 08:49:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide In-Reply-To: <001901c4924f$82f89f60$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> <001901c4924f$82f89f60$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <200409040955.15035.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Saturday 04 of September 2004 09:19, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > I have created two bash scripts using wget and GNU grep at least 2.5 > Predpokladam, ze je to zase jen pro Linux. :( You can actually have bash, grep and wget under Windows if you install Cygwin. (probably they are in MinGW as well) Regards, Tomek Koprowski From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Sat Sep 4 10:31:29 2004 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Sat Sep 4 10:31:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide In-Reply-To: <001901c4924f$82f89f60$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> <001901c4924f$82f89f60$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <41398B71.8050304@tiscali.cz> Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >>Hello >> >>I have created two bash scripts using wget and GNU grep at least 2.5 >> >> > >Predpokladam, ze je to zase jen pro Linux. :( > Ne, staci mit UnxUtils, coz jsou porty nekterych GNU utilit do nativniho Win32 (Cygwin neni treba) : http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ Je tam shell, wget, grep sice 2.4.2, ale zatim mi to stahuje, uvidime po tech 211 MB. --- Microsoft Windows XP [Verze 5.1.2600] (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. G:\ronja>sh get.sh ronja2 --11:24:37-- http://ronja.twibright.com/ => `ronja.twibright.com/index.html' Connecting to ronja.twibright.com:80... connected! HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: unspecified [text/html] 0K @ 475.59 KB/s From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Sat Sep 4 10:42:47 2004 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Sat Sep 4 10:43:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide In-Reply-To: <41398B71.8050304@tiscali.cz> References: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> <001901c4924f$82f89f60$fd02a8c0@diablo> <41398B71.8050304@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <41398E17.8040705@tiscali.cz> Martin Stachon wrote: > Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > >>> Hello >>> >>> I have created two bash scripts using wget and GNU grep at least 2.5 >>> >> >> >> Predpokladam, ze je to zase jen pro Linux. :( >> > Ne, staci mit UnxUtils, coz jsou porty nekterych GNU utilit do > nativniho Win32 > (Cygwin neni treba) : http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ > Je tam shell, wget, grep sice 2.4.2, ale zatim mi to stahuje, uvidime > po tech 211 MB. Tak v updatech je uz 2.5.1, takze by to melo byt bez problemu. From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Sep 4 10:50:38 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Sep 4 10:50:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] seliger twister ?! In-Reply-To: <4135BC92.9040001@hoidekr.net> References: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> <412E693E.3050200@sattnet.cz> <412EBD46.60001@katka.biz> <412ECD89.3040207@katka.biz> <1093632263.412f8108008f7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <4135BC92.9040001@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <1094291438.41398fee89c06@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Tady je soupis materialu na vyrobu drive (http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg ) vyobrazene krabice s twisterem: Varianta 1 pro sikovne ruce (mensi krabice): 1*U-AH312 krabice plechova 1*V5224C chladic 4*DI5M3X08 distancni sloupek 8mm 7*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni CDROMu) Dalsi je na pripadnou desticku s konektory 4*DI5M3X05 distancni sloupek 5mm 4*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni CDROMu) 1*WEBP 8-8 LP konektor RJ45 do PLS (nebo recyklovany ze sitove karty) 2*BNC-Z 50RW BNC zasuvka do PLS plastova (nebo recyklovana dtto.) Varianta 2 pro leve ruce (velka krabice): 1*U-AH313 krabice plechova 1*V5224C chladic 4*DI5M3X05 distancni sloupek 5mm 7*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni CDROMu) Dalsi je na pripadnou desticku s konektory 4*DI5M3X05 distancni sloupek 5mm 4*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni CDROMu) 1*WEBP 8-8 LP konektor RJ45 do PLS (nebo recyklovany ze sitove karty) 2*BNC-Z 50RW BNC zasuvka do PLS plastova (nebo recyklovana dtto.) Skoro vsechen material je k dostani v GMe, dohromady cca 200Kc resp. 250Kc. > Muzes nekde vystavit schema zapojeni filtru a PoE? > diky Honza > > PS: moc pekna krabicka > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Pod destickou se skryvaji jen nejake SMD kondiky pro filtraci napajeni, > jinak > > nic. Pres to UTP jeste jede takove sverazne PoE. > > Jedina vada na krase je chladic, stoji v GMe 80Kc a je tam jen proto aby se > 7805 > > mohl pripajet primo na desku twistera a mel zaroven dobry kontakt s > krabici. > > V nedeli vecer dodam rozpisku materialu. > > > > Petr Seliger > > > > Quoting Martin Polehla : > > > > > >>Ahoj, > >>tak brousim po galerii a narazil sem na tohle: > >>http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg > >> > >>zajmalo by mne, co se skryva pod destickou (na ni), co sou pridelane bnc > >>konektory a utp [+ traficko(?)] ?? to je nejake vylepseni twistera ? > >> > >>btw. ta krabicka s konektorama a chladicem je moc pekna :)) > >> > >>p0l0us > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Sat Sep 4 16:32:28 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Sep 4 13:29:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Podivnost P104 Rx Message-ID: <4139E00C.50506@katka.biz> Ahoj, Dneska sem si hral s P104 a ladenim. Dosel sem k vysledku, ze nejlepsi dosah na zemi ma Rx pri P104=4.09V [RSSI 110-120mV]. Pokud jsem mic nezmenil [ani sem nepohnul Rx], jenom hodnotu P104 na 6V, RSSI kleslo cca o 40mV. Kdyz jsem hodnotu nastavil na 7V, RSSI kleslo na 65mV. Vzdalenost s 0%PL se pak snizila o cca 30-40cm. Odpojeni C153 se nijak pozorovatelne neprojevilo. Kdyz naopak snizim P104 pod 4V, RSSI klesa. Mam neco nekde spatne ? Uz to tady asi bylo, ale nedari se mi to vubec vypatrat [sedel sem u toho dve hodiny v noci a nic :( ]. Co zmeny napeti na testointech P103 a P104 maji presne delat ? Stavim: Vrabci hnizda, twister DPS Tranzistor BF988 Pouzite 2N3904 parovane Vysilaci F4000 nebo E4000 Prijamci SFH2030 zastrcena do krabicky - kouka jen zakulacena cast vrchliku Dosah cca 170-190cm Osvetleni spise sero az tma Krabicky AH102 z gesu nebo GMka. Muze nizsi dosah [nez 2.5m] byt tim tranzistorem ? Pri testovani sem narazil na jiny dosah v primem smeru a jiny, kdyz Tx miri asi o 20stp mimo rx. V navodu neni uvedeno, za jakych podminek [v tomhle ohledu] se ma pozadovanych vzdalenosti dosahnout. Ma tech 2.5m byt v primem smeru nebo si muze clovek vypomahat natocenim aby smer, kterym ledka sviti vic, mirilo na Rx ? Dalsi vlastnosti je, pokud napajim twister presne 12V [odber cca 0.6A], mam na Rx P110 mene nez 10V. Zdroj mam stabilizovany, do 30V, 2.5A s omezenim napeti i proudu. Az kdyz zvysim napajeni tw. na cca 14V, zvysi se mi P110 na 11.6V [odber se zvysi 0.7A]. Vzroste pak dosah o vic nez 40cm a snizi se hranice RSSI pro 0%PL. Pouzivam 3m [z Tw1] a 5m [z Tw2] kabelu k televizni antene. Stred ma cca 1mm, stineni je z alobalu + ridke medene opleteni [oproti RG58 cca polovicni hustota]. Muze to byt tim kabelem ? Nebo necim jinym ? Snese twister trvale napajeni 14V ? Vsechny popisovane vzdalenosti jsou pri 0% PL, RSSI je uvadeno bez posilanych packetu, kdyz se packety posilaly, tak vzdy kleslo o cca 20mV. Pri mereni RSSI a vzdalenosti jsem mel vzdy krabicky dobre uzavrene. polous From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 4 14:41:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Sep 4 14:41:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek Message-ID: <20040904134110.GA1886@beton.cybernet.src> [13:28] navod jsem dodrzoval presne i poradi pajeni soucastek. i kdyz je to teda trochu posahany. Melo by to byt takto : odpory, IC, diody, kondiky .... ale to je vesmes jedno. Hlavne kdyz je na plosnaku vsechno [13:37] Proc by to melo bejt v tom poradi co rikas? [13:37] protoze podle standartu se to vzdycky tak paji ... [13:37] Podle jakyho standardu? [13:38] meho [13:38] Aha [13:38] Tak to menit nebudu [13:38] ne, ale vzdycky se to vsude pise, ze se zacina odporama ... [13:38] zeptej se koho chces (teda kdo tomu alespon trochu rozumi) Nevite prosimvas nekdo o nejakem standardu poradi pajeni soucastek? Jestli nejaky existuje, ze bych to podle nej pripadne udelal. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Sep 4 15:02:51 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Sep 4 15:02:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek References: <20040904134110.GA1886@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003301c49287$de6a3880$fd02a8c0@diablo> Nam ve skole vzdy tvrdili, ze nejdrive odpory, pak IO a nakonec kondenzatory a tranzistory..... (kvuli pohodlnemu osazovani) - protoze odpory vetsinou sedej primo na desce a kondenzatory jsou obvykle ve vzduchu/desce a jsou vysoke a pak by se tam blbe davali odpory. Ja bych to ovsem udelal takto: 1) SMD 2) REZISTORY 3) IO 4) KONDENZATORY 5) DOPLNKY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > [13:28] navod jsem dodrzoval presne i poradi pajeni > soucastek. i kdyz je to teda trochu posahany. Melo by to byt takto : odpory, > IC, diody, kondiky .... ale to je vesmes jedno. Hlavne kdyz je na plosnaku > vsechno > [13:37] Proc by to melo bejt v tom poradi co rikas? > [13:37] protoze podle standartu se to vzdycky tak paji > ... > [13:37] Podle jakyho standardu? > [13:38] meho > [13:38] Aha > [13:38] Tak to menit nebudu > [13:38] ne, ale vzdycky se to vsude pise, ze se zacina > odporama ... > [13:38] zeptej se koho chces (teda kdo tomu alespon > trochu rozumi) > > Nevite prosimvas nekdo o nejakem standardu poradi pajeni soucastek? Jestli > nejaky existuje, ze bych to podle nej pripadne udelal. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.860 (20040903) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sat Sep 4 15:23:39 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sat Sep 4 15:23:45 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Poradi=20pajeni=20soucastek?= In-Reply-To: <20040904134110.GA1886@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <53883.153170-10866-178371038-1094307819@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek Datum (Date): 4. 9. 2004 15:41 ================================================== > [13:28] navod jsem dodrzoval presne i poradi pajeni > soucastek. i kdyz je to teda trochu posahany. Melo by to byt takto : odpory, > IC, diody, kondiky .... ale to je vesmes jedno. Hlavne kdyz je na plosnaku > vsechno > [13:37] Proc by to melo bejt v tom poradi co rikas? > [13:37] protoze podle standartu se to vzdycky tak paji > ... > [13:37] Podle jakyho standardu? > [13:38] meho > [13:38] Aha > [13:38] Tak to menit nebudu > [13:38] ne, ale vzdycky se to vsude pise, ze se zacina > odporama ... > [13:38] zeptej se koho chces (teda kdo tomu alespon > trochu rozumi) > > Nevite prosimvas nekdo o nejakem standardu poradi pajeni soucastek? Jestli > nejaky existuje, ze bych to podle nej pripadne udelal. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja jeste chci dodat, ze za tim "meho" byl smajlik ;) ____________________________________________________________ Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 From jan.martinu at post.cz Sat Sep 4 15:29:50 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jan_Martin=F9?=) Date: Sat Sep 4 15:30:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek In-Reply-To: <53883.153170-10866-178371038-1094307819@email.seznam.cz> References: <53883.153170-10866-178371038-1094307819@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4139D15E.3010108@post.cz> Co treba od nejmensich k nejvetsim - celkem logicky postup, ne? >> >>Nevite prosimvas nekdo o nejakem standardu poradi pajeni soucastek? Jestli >>nejaky existuje, ze bych to podle nej pripadne udelal. >> >>Cl< >> >> >> > > > From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 4 15:47:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Sep 4 15:47:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek In-Reply-To: <53883.153170-10866-178371038-1094307819@email.seznam.cz> References: <20040904134110.GA1886@beton.cybernet.src> <53883.153170-10866-178371038-1094307819@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040904144701.GA2144@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 04:23:39PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > Datum (Date): 4. 9. 2004 15:41 > ================================================== > > > [13:28] navod jsem dodrzoval presne i poradi pajeni > > soucastek. i kdyz je to teda trochu posahany. Melo by to byt takto : odpory, > > IC, diody, kondiky .... ale to je vesmes jedno. Hlavne kdyz je na plosnaku > > vsechno > > [13:37] Proc by to melo bejt v tom poradi co rikas? > > [13:37] protoze podle standartu se to vzdycky tak paji > > ... > > [13:37] Podle jakyho standardu? > > [13:38] meho > > [13:38] Aha > > [13:38] Tak to menit nebudu > > [13:38] ne, ale vzdycky se to vsude pise, ze se zacina > > odporama ... > > [13:38] zeptej se koho chces (teda kdo tomu alespon > > trochu rozumi) > > > > Nevite prosimvas nekdo o nejakem standardu poradi pajeni soucastek? Jestli > > nejaky existuje, ze bych to podle nej pripadne udelal. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > jeste chci dodat, ze za tim "meho" byl smajlik ;) Hm, tkabber neexportuje do clipboardu smajliky jako ASCII kod i kdyz by to zjevne mohl delat. Cl< > > ____________________________________________________________ > Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 4 15:48:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Sep 4 15:48:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek In-Reply-To: <003301c49287$de6a3880$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040904134110.GA1886@beton.cybernet.src> <003301c49287$de6a3880$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040904144802.GA2165@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 04:02:51PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Nam ve skole vzdy tvrdili, ze nejdrive odpory, pak IO a nakonec kondenzatory V jaky skole se daji takovehle informace ziskat? Cl< > a tranzistory..... (kvuli pohodlnemu osazovani) - protoze odpory vetsinou > sedej primo na desce a kondenzatory jsou obvykle ve vzduchu/desce a jsou > vysoke a pak by se tam blbe davali odpory. > > Ja bych to ovsem udelal takto: > 1) SMD > 2) REZISTORY > 3) IO > 4) KONDENZATORY > 5) DOPLNKY > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 3:41 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > > > > [13:28] navod jsem dodrzoval presne i poradi > pajeni > > soucastek. i kdyz je to teda trochu posahany. Melo by to byt takto : > odpory, > > IC, diody, kondiky .... ale to je vesmes jedno. Hlavne kdyz je na plosnaku > > vsechno > > [13:37] Proc by to melo bejt v tom poradi co rikas? > > [13:37] protoze podle standartu se to vzdycky tak > paji > > ... > > [13:37] Podle jakyho standardu? > > [13:38] meho > > [13:38] Aha > > [13:38] Tak to menit nebudu > > [13:38] ne, ale vzdycky se to vsude pise, ze se > zacina > > odporama ... > > [13:38] zeptej se koho chces (teda kdo tomu > alespon > > trochu rozumi) > > > > Nevite prosimvas nekdo o nejakem standardu poradi pajeni soucastek? Jestli > > nejaky existuje, ze bych to podle nej pripadne udelal. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.860 (20040903) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sat Sep 4 15:51:44 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sat Sep 4 15:51:47 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Poradi=20pajeni=20soucastek?= In-Reply-To: <20040904144802.GA2165@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <49759.159473-32140-808339875-1094309504@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek Datum (Date): 4. 9. 2004 16:48 ================================================== > > V jaky skole se daji takovehle informace ziskat? no co ja vim, tak na kazdy prumyslovce :-D ____________________________________________________________ Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 4 15:52:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Sep 4 15:52:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek In-Reply-To: <49759.159473-32140-808339875-1094309504@email.seznam.cz> References: <20040904144802.GA2165@beton.cybernet.src> <49759.159473-32140-808339875-1094309504@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040904145259.GA2217@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 04:51:44PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > Datum (Date): 4. 9. 2004 16:48 > ================================================== > > > > > V jaky skole se daji takovehle informace ziskat? > > no co ja vim, tak na kazdy prumyslovce :-D Vyborne. V pristi reinkarnaci pujdu na prumyslovku a ne na gymnazium :) Cl< From polous at katka.biz Sat Sep 4 18:58:13 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Sep 4 15:54:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek In-Reply-To: <49759.159473-32140-808339875-1094309504@email.seznam.cz> References: <49759.159473-32140-808339875-1094309504@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <413A0235.2080408@katka.biz> Damir ?poljari? wrote: >================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= >Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" >Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" >Kopie (Cc): >P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek >Datum (Date): 4. 9. 2004 16:48 >================================================== > > > >>V jaky skole se daji takovehle informace ziskat? >> >> > >no co ja vim, tak na kazdy prumyslovce :-D > na kazdy asi ne, pac znam spoustu lidi, co vychodili prumyslovku a pajku drzeli v ruce max. parkrat v zivote. From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sat Sep 4 15:56:27 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sat Sep 4 16:11:30 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Poradi=20pajeni=20soucastek?= In-Reply-To: <413A0235.2080408@katka.biz> Message-ID: <60770.159417-30958-829586756-1094309787@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Martin Polehla" Komu (To): "Damir ?poljari?" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek Datum (Date): 4. 9. 2004 19:58 ================================================== > Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > >================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > >Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" > >Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > >Kopie (Cc): > >P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > >Datum (Date): 4. 9. 2004 16:48 > >================================================== > > > > > > > >>V jaky skole se daji takovehle informace ziskat? > >> > >> > > > >no co ja vim, tak na kazdy prumyslovce :-D > > > na kazdy asi ne, pac znam spoustu lidi, co vychodili prumyslovku a pajku > drzeli v ruce max. parkrat v zivote. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Dobre, opravuji. Na kazde elektroprumyslovce ____________________________________________________________ Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Sep 4 18:49:56 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Sep 4 18:50:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] seliger twister ?! Message-ID: <20040904175011Z1300772-282+33489@mail.centrum.cz> no, to je krasne, ale este by to chtelo rict co obsahuje ten TS s trafkem :) jinak dodavam ze ta krabice je asi tak nak zhruba (ale fakt zhruba,soudim od pohledu) stejne velka jak krab. od PC zdroje. ja se chystam to umistit tam. pak dyz tak poslu fotku. ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 11:50:38 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] seliger twister ?! > > Tady je soupis materialu na vyrobu drive > (http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg ) > vyobrazene krabice s twisterem: > > Varianta 1 pro sikovne ruce (mensi krabice): > 1*U-AH312 krabice plechova > 1*V5224C chladic > 4*DI5M3X08 distancni sloupek 8mm > 7*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni > CDROMu) > > Dalsi je na pripadnou desticku s konektory > 4*DI5M3X05 distancni sloupek 5mm > 4*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni > CDROMu) > 1*WEBP 8-8 LP konektor RJ45 do PLS (nebo recyklovany ze sitove karty) > 2*BNC-Z 50RW BNC zasuvka do PLS plastova (nebo recyklovana dtto.) > > Varianta 2 pro leve ruce (velka krabice): > 1*U-AH313 krabice plechova > 1*V5224C chladic > 4*DI5M3X05 distancni sloupek 5mm > 7*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni > CDROMu) > > Dalsi je na pripadnou desticku s konektory > 4*DI5M3X05 distancni sloupek 5mm > 4*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni > CDROMu) > 1*WEBP 8-8 LP konektor RJ45 do PLS (nebo recyklovany ze sitove karty) > 2*BNC-Z 50RW BNC zasuvka do PLS plastova (nebo recyklovana dtto.) > > Skoro vsechen material je k dostani v GMe, dohromady cca 200Kc resp. 250Kc. > > > Muzes nekde vystavit schema zapojeni filtru a PoE? > > diky Honza > > > > PS: moc pekna krabicka > > > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > > Pod destickou se skryvaji jen nejake SMD kondiky pro filtraci napajeni, > > jinak > > > nic. Pres to UTP jeste jede takove sverazne PoE. > > > Jedina vada na krase je chladic, stoji v GMe 80Kc a je tam jen proto aby se > > 7805 > > > mohl pripajet primo na desku twistera a mel zaroven dobry kontakt s > > krabici. > > > V nedeli vecer dodam rozpisku materialu. > > > > > > Petr Seliger > > > > > > Quoting Martin Polehla : > > > > > > > > >>Ahoj, > > >>tak brousim po galerii a narazil sem na tohle: > > >>http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg > > >> > > >>zajmalo by mne, co se skryva pod destickou (na ni), co sou pridelane bnc > > >>konektory a utp [+ traficko(?)] ?? to je nejake vylepseni twistera ? > > >> > > >>btw. ta krabicka s konektorama a chladicem je moc pekna :)) > > >> > > >>p0l0us > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Ronja mailing list > > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Sep 4 19:58:46 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Sep 4 19:58:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek References: <20040904144802.GA2165@beton.cybernet.src><49759.159473-32140-808339875-1094309504@email.seznam.cz> <20040904145259.GA2217@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002d01c492b1$356cb580$fd02a8c0@diablo> Sice ti uz odpovedeli, ale opakovani je matka moudrosti :)) Skoro na kazde elektroprumyslovce ;-) Jednoduse receno (taky uz logicky zaznelo oduvodneni) od nejmensich po nejvetsi soucastky. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Damir ?poljari?" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 04:51:44PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > > Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" > > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > > Kopie (Cc): > > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > > Datum (Date): 4. 9. 2004 16:48 > > ================================================== > > > > > > > > V jaky skole se daji takovehle informace ziskat? > > > > no co ja vim, tak na kazdy prumyslovce :-D > > Vyborne. V pristi reinkarnaci pujdu na prumyslovku a ne na gymnazium :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.860 (20040903) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Sep 5 12:48:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Sep 5 12:48:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Podivnost P104 Rx In-Reply-To: <4139E00C.50506@katka.biz> References: <4139E00C.50506@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040905114817.GA19104@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 02:32:28PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dneska sem si hral s P104 a ladenim. Dosel sem k vysledku, ze nejlepsi > dosah na zemi ma Rx pri P104=4.09V [RSSI 110-120mV]. Pokud jsem mic > nezmenil [ani sem nepohnul Rx], jenom hodnotu P104 na 6V, RSSI kleslo > cca o 40mV. Kdyz jsem hodnotu nastavil na 7V, RSSI kleslo na 65mV. > Vzdalenost s 0%PL se pak snizila o cca 30-40cm. Odpojeni C153 se nijak > pozorovatelne neprojevilo. Kdyz naopak snizim P104 pod 4V, RSSI klesa. Prepsal jsem to z 6-7V na 5-6V. Prepsal bych to na min, jenze je riziko, ze to nekdo nastavi bez privodnich kabelu a pak to da na strechu a na privodnich kabelech vznikne ubytek napeti, tak by to kleslo pod 4V. > > Mam neco nekde spatne ? > Uz to tady asi bylo, ale nedari se mi to vubec vypatrat [sedel sem u > toho dve hodiny v noci a nic :( ]. Co zmeny napeti na testointech P103 a > P104 maji presne delat ? No z hlediska toho sumu je tam urcity optimalni napeti. Jaky je pro ktery druh tranzistoru nevim, tak jsem to tam napsal tak nejak odhadem univerzalne. > > Stavim: > Vrabci hnizda, twister DPS > Tranzistor BF988 > Pouzite 2N3904 parovane > Vysilaci F4000 nebo E4000 > Prijamci SFH2030 zastrcena do krabicky - kouka jen zakulacena cast vrchliku > Dosah cca 170-190cm > Osvetleni spise sero az tma > Krabicky AH102 z gesu nebo GMka. > > Muze nizsi dosah [nez 2.5m] byt tim tranzistorem ? No ty tranzistory se lisej kus od kusu. Takze to je asi OK - kolik je ten dosah kdyz ne 2.5m? > > Pri testovani sem narazil na jiny dosah v primem smeru a jiny, kdyz Tx > miri asi o 20stp mimo rx. V navodu neni uvedeno, za jakych podminek [v > tomhle ohledu] se ma pozadovanych vzdalenosti dosahnout. Ma tech 2.5m > byt v primem smeru nebo si muze clovek vypomahat natocenim aby smer, > kterym ledka sviti vic, mirilo na Rx ? > > Dalsi vlastnosti je, pokud napajim twister presne 12V [odber cca 0.6A], > mam na Rx P110 mene nez 10V. Zdroj mam stabilizovany, do 30V, 2.5A s No mezi zdrojem a P110 nic neni - jen 2 civky. Kolik je na nich ubytek? Ze by to byly ty shitove z obchodu? Bych je asi mel zabanovat uplne ;-) Cl< > omezenim napeti i proudu. Az kdyz zvysim napajeni tw. na cca 14V, zvysi > se mi P110 na 11.6V [odber se zvysi 0.7A]. Vzroste pak dosah o vic nez > 40cm a snizi se hranice RSSI pro 0%PL. Pouzivam 3m [z Tw1] a 5m [z Tw2] > kabelu k televizni antene. Stred ma cca 1mm, stineni je z alobalu + > ridke medene opleteni [oproti RG58 cca polovicni hustota]. Muze to byt > tim kabelem ? Nebo necim jinym ? > Snese twister trvale napajeni 14V ? > > Vsechny popisovane vzdalenosti jsou pri 0% PL, RSSI je uvadeno bez > posilanych packetu, kdyz se packety posilaly, tak vzdy kleslo o cca > 20mV. Pri mereni RSSI a vzdalenosti jsem mel vzdy krabicky dobre uzavrene. > > polous > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sun Sep 5 16:11:22 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Sep 5 13:08:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Podivnost P104 Rx In-Reply-To: <20040905114817.GA19104@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4139E00C.50506@katka.biz> <20040905114817.GA19104@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <413B2C9A.3010406@katka.biz> >>Stavim: >>Vrabci hnizda, twister DPS >>Tranzistor BF988 >>Pouzite 2N3904 parovane >>Vysilaci F4000 nebo E4000 >>Prijamci SFH2030 zastrcena do krabicky - kouka jen zakulacena cast vrchliku >>>>>>>Dosah cca 170-190cm <<<<<<<<<< >>Osvetleni spise sero az tma >>Krabicky AH102 z gesu nebo GMka. >> >>Muze nizsi dosah [nez 2.5m] byt tim tranzistorem ? >> >> > >No ty tranzistory se lisej kus od kusu. Takze to je asi OK - kolik je ten >dosah kdyz ne 2.5m? > > > s vyladenym Rx P104 na 4V je dosah 200-220cm, jinak cca tech 180cm. Ma to byt na linku 1.1km, tak se bojim, aby ten spoj pak nebyl problemovy. >>Pri testovani sem narazil na jiny dosah v primem smeru a jiny, kdyz Tx >>miri asi o 20stp mimo rx. V navodu neni uvedeno, za jakych podminek [v >>tomhle ohledu] se ma pozadovanych vzdalenosti dosahnout. Ma tech 2.5m >>byt v primem smeru nebo si muze clovek vypomahat natocenim aby smer, >>kterym ledka sviti vic, mirilo na Rx ? >> >>Dalsi vlastnosti je, pokud napajim twister presne 12V [odber cca 0.6A], >>mam na Rx P110 mene nez 10V. Zdroj mam stabilizovany, do 30V, 2.5A s >> >> > >No mezi zdrojem a P110 nic neni - jen 2 civky. Kolik je na nich ubytek? >Ze by to byly ty shitove z obchodu? Bych je asi mel zabanovat uplne ;-) > > > j sou to z obchodu, ubytek je 1.74V a 1.73. Je to moc nebo hodne moc ? p0l0us From pulytr at seznam.cz Sun Sep 5 14:01:00 2004 From: pulytr at seznam.cz (Petr Neumann) Date: Sun Sep 5 14:01:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LEDky a pomoc ? Message-ID: <20040905130105.9E0291ABC85@relay.inway.cz> Zdrav?m Nem? nekdo bokem 10ks HPWT-BD00-F4000 ? Koup?m na dob?rku nebo! V Praze si pro ne prijedu. A taky jsem se chtel zeptat jestli se na Brevnove nenajde ochotny clovek co ma skusenosti s Ronjou jestli by nam nemohl poct ? From korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Sep 5 14:09:04 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Sep 5 14:07:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LEDky a pomoc ? References: <20040905130105.9E0291ABC85@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: <000501c49349$8511d2d0$02086b0a@atintel> HPWT-BD00-F4000 sezenes asi tezko, ale lidi co maji HPWT-BD00-E4000 najdes tady http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Neumann" To: Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:01 AM Subject: [Ronja] LEDky a pomoc ? Zdrav?m Nem? nekdo bokem 10ks HPWT-BD00-F4000 ? Koup?m na dob?rku nebo! V Praze si pro ne prijedu. A taky jsem se chtel zeptat jestli se na Brevnove nenajde ochotny clovek co ma skusenosti s Ronjou jestli by nam nemohl poct ? _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Sep 5 14:52:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Sep 5 14:52:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Podivnost P104 Rx In-Reply-To: <413B2C9A.3010406@katka.biz> References: <4139E00C.50506@katka.biz> <20040905114817.GA19104@beton.cybernet.src> <413B2C9A.3010406@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040905135255.GA3434@beton.cybernet.src> > >>Dalsi vlastnosti je, pokud napajim twister presne 12V [odber cca 0.6A], > >>mam na Rx P110 mene nez 10V. Zdroj mam stabilizovany, do 30V, 2.5A s > >> > >> > > > >No mezi zdrojem a P110 nic neni - jen 2 civky. Kolik je na nich ubytek? > >Ze by to byly ty shitove z obchodu? Bych je asi mel zabanovat uplne ;-) > > > > > > > j sou to z obchodu, ubytek je 1.74V a 1.73. Je to moc nebo hodne moc ? TO je hodne moc :) Co to je za civky? Cl< From polous at katka.biz Sun Sep 5 18:07:38 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Sep 5 15:04:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Podivnost P104 Rx In-Reply-To: <20040905135255.GA3434@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4139E00C.50506@katka.biz> <20040905114817.GA19104@beton.cybernet.src> <413B2C9A.3010406@katka.biz> <20040905135255.GA3434@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <413B47DA.4070105@katka.biz> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>>>Dalsi vlastnosti je, pokud napajim twister presne 12V [odber cca 0.6A], >>>>mam na Rx P110 mene nez 10V. Zdroj mam stabilizovany, do 30V, 2.5A s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>No mezi zdrojem a P110 nic neni - jen 2 civky. Kolik je na nich ubytek? >>>Ze by to byly ty shitove z obchodu? Bych je asi mel zabanovat uplne ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>j sou to z obchodu, ubytek je 1.74V a 1.73. Je to moc nebo hodne moc ? >> >> > >TO je hodne moc :) Co to je za civky? > >Cl< > > koupil sem je v GMe, GESu nebo PSe [uz si presne nepamatuju, kde]. Prodavaci sem rek ze chci civky xxhenriu [podle seznamu soucastek] mozna ze sem mu ten seznam primo dal do ruky [ach ta pamet]. Jsou jak velky odpory, barvu maj do ruzova a je na nich hneda-cerna-cervena-zlata. Jestli rozchodim scanner muzu ji skusit nafotit jestli to k necemu bude (?). From clock at twibright.com Sun Sep 5 15:06:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Sep 5 15:06:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Podivnost P104 Rx In-Reply-To: <413B2C9A.3010406@katka.biz> References: <4139E00C.50506@katka.biz> <20040905114817.GA19104@beton.cybernet.src> <413B2C9A.3010406@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040905140609.GA3381@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 02:11:22PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > >>Stavim: > >>Vrabci hnizda, twister DPS > >>Tranzistor BF988 > >>Pouzite 2N3904 parovane > >>Vysilaci F4000 nebo E4000 > >>Prijamci SFH2030 zastrcena do krabicky - kouka jen zakulacena cast > >>vrchliku > >>>>>>>Dosah cca 170-190cm <<<<<<<<<< > >>Osvetleni spise sero az tma > >>Krabicky AH102 z gesu nebo GMka. > >> > >>Muze nizsi dosah [nez 2.5m] byt tim tranzistorem ? > >> > >> > > > >No ty tranzistory se lisej kus od kusu. Takze to je asi OK - kolik je ten > >dosah kdyz ne 2.5m? > > > > > > > s vyladenym Rx P104 na 4V je dosah 200-220cm, jinak cca tech 180cm. No tak to je v pohode. Zalezi to i na svetlu v mistnosti. > > Ma to byt na linku 1.1km, tak se bojim, aby ten spoj pak nebyl problemovy. > > >>Pri testovani sem narazil na jiny dosah v primem smeru a jiny, kdyz Tx > >>miri asi o 20stp mimo rx. V navodu neni uvedeno, za jakych podminek [v > >>tomhle ohledu] se ma pozadovanych vzdalenosti dosahnout. Ma tech 2.5m > >>byt v primem smeru nebo si muze clovek vypomahat natocenim aby smer, > >>kterym ledka sviti vic, mirilo na Rx ? > >> > >>Dalsi vlastnosti je, pokud napajim twister presne 12V [odber cca 0.6A], > >>mam na Rx P110 mene nez 10V. Zdroj mam stabilizovany, do 30V, 2.5A s > >> > >> > > > >No mezi zdrojem a P110 nic neni - jen 2 civky. Kolik je na nich ubytek? > >Ze by to byly ty shitove z obchodu? Bych je asi mel zabanovat uplne ;-) > > > > > > > j sou to z obchodu, ubytek je 1.74V a 1.73. Je to moc nebo hodne moc ? > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Sep 5 15:17:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Sep 5 15:17:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Podivnost P104 Rx In-Reply-To: <413B47DA.4070105@katka.biz> References: <4139E00C.50506@katka.biz> <20040905114817.GA19104@beton.cybernet.src> <413B2C9A.3010406@katka.biz> <20040905135255.GA3434@beton.cybernet.src> <413B47DA.4070105@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040905141709.GB3381@beton.cybernet.src> > koupil sem je v GMe, GESu nebo PSe [uz si presne nepamatuju, kde]. > Prodavaci sem rek ze chci civky xxhenriu [podle seznamu soucastek] mozna > ze sem mu ten seznam primo dal do ruky [ach ta pamet]. Jsou jak velky > odpory, barvu maj do ruzova a je na nich hneda-cerna-cervena-zlata. > Jestli rozchodim scanner muzu ji skusit nafotit jestli to k necemu bude (?). Jo tak ja je zakazu, to je naprosto priserny takovy ubytky. To vyletuj a dej tam normalni drateny. Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun Sep 5 16:15:40 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun Sep 5 16:15:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] L51 v twistrovi References: <4138762A.3090701@matfyz.cz><20040903160838.GA20390@beton.cybernet.src><4138AF53.9040001@matfyz.cz><20040903201234.GB22186@beton.cybernet.src> <20040903201403.GA22231@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <008401c4935b$34d81560$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> to je moje :-) je to tam, protoze jsem pouzil jin? budice 422, kter? maj? aktivaci H a ne L, jak ty clockovy Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] L51 v twistrovi > On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 08:12:34PM +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 07:52:19PM +0200, Kero wrote: > > > Dekuji > > > A jeste otazecka: Na nekolika obrazcich jsou nekter IC ruzne pospojovane > > > draty, to je proto, ze nekdo neco prepalil? > > > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/clock/twister/dscn0477 .jpg > > > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/cipis/P8210880.JPG > > > > To prvni je prototyp kde to je kvuli chybam. To druhe nevim proc je, je to > > moje. Normalne zadne dratky neni treba letovat. > > Je to moje -> neni to moje. Mozegfault. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Sep 5 16:57:03 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Sep 5 16:57:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni Message-ID: <20040905155705Z1300783-284+34779@mail.centrum.cz> cetl sem si navod, ale z vytapeni nejsem chytry. ja sem to zapojil tak, ze tem mam odpory do ctverce o strane 6cm (to je asi moc ze?...je to 90mm cocka). hlavne ale nejsem chytry z vykonu. zapojil semto tak ze jednu cocku vyhriva 2,5W. neni to malo? mam ji vyhrivat cely rok? nebo jenom nekdy? maji odpory udrzovat cocku suchou, nebo jenom nezamlzenou/nenamrzlou ? From korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Sep 5 17:35:00 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Sep 5 17:34:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni References: <20040905155705Z1300783-284+34779@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000501c49366$4ba77730$02086b0a@atintel> Ja jsem z toho taky nebyl moudry, ale ted vim, ze kazdou cocku vyhriva 1.25W - 8 odporu 8R2 v serii(4 na kazdou hlavici) pripojeny 12V. Zrejme se vyhriva po cely rok, ale nevim jakej vyznam to ma v tehle vedrech :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k " To: Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni > cetl sem si navod, ale z vytapeni nejsem chytry. ja sem to zapojil tak, ze > tem mam odpory do ctverce o strane 6cm (to je asi moc ze?...je to 90mm > cocka). hlavne ale nejsem chytry z vykonu. zapojil semto tak ze jednu > cocku vyhriva 2,5W. neni to malo? mam ji vyhrivat cely rok? nebo jenom > nekdy? maji odpory udrzovat cocku suchou, nebo jenom > nezamlzenou/nenamrzlou ? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Sun Sep 5 20:39:39 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Sep 5 17:36:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Podivnost P104 Rx In-Reply-To: <20040905141709.GB3381@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4139E00C.50506@katka.biz> <20040905114817.GA19104@beton.cybernet.src> <413B2C9A.3010406@katka.biz> <20040905135255.GA3434@beton.cybernet.src> <413B47DA.4070105@katka.biz> <20040905141709.GB3381@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <413B6B7B.5050205@katka.biz> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>koupil sem je v GMe, GESu nebo PSe [uz si presne nepamatuju, kde]. >>Prodavaci sem rek ze chci civky xxhenriu [podle seznamu soucastek] mozna >>ze sem mu ten seznam primo dal do ruky [ach ta pamet]. Jsou jak velky >>odpory, barvu maj do ruzova a je na nich hneda-cerna-cervena-zlata. >>Jestli rozchodim scanner muzu ji skusit nafotit jestli to k necemu bude (?). >> >> > >Jo tak ja je zakazu, to je naprosto priserny takovy ubytky. > >To vyletuj a dej tam normalni drateny. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > draty sem dal, kdyz sem skoumal, jestli je vymenim i v twisterovi,tak sem zjitil, ze tlumivka v tw. ma ubytek 00.nic. Takze to bylo asi blbejma tlumivkama. Tahle ma barvy hneda-cerna-zlata-sediva. [hodnotu sem linej prekladat, je to v navodu (snad) :-D] p0l0us From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sun Sep 5 17:41:25 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sun Sep 5 17:41:28 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20vykon=20vytapeni?= In-Reply-To: <000501c49366$4ba77730$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <554573.5462365-14085-1045268647-1094402485@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Milan Korda" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni Datum (Date): 5. 9. 2004 18:35 ================================================== > Ja jsem z toho taky nebyl moudry, ale ted vim, ze kazdou cocku vyhriva > 1.25W - 8 odporu 8R2 v serii(4 na kazdou hlavici) pripojeny 12V. Zrejme se > vyhriva po cely rok, ale nevim jakej vyznam to ma v tehle vedrech :) Nevim jestli to ma bejt vyhrejvany celej rok, ale treba v tehlech vedrech se muze stat to, ze kdyz je pres den horko a v noci teplota mensi (nechci rict zima, kdyz je leto ;) ), tak se tam muze vysrazet vhlkost ... ____________________________________________________________ Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Sep 5 18:36:32 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Sep 5 18:37:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni Message-ID: <20040905173647Z1303407-282+35873@mail.centrum.cz> 1,25?...a mi se zdalo 2,5W malo... no, ja mam na jedne cocce 4 odpory 220om paralelne,ale to je jedno, ale sou kapku predimenzovane...asi by tam moc dlouho nevydrzely (neco pres 0,6W na jeden :) ) (kdyz to prepocitavam, tak mi vychazi pri 12V a 8,2ohm ten vykon na jednu cocu 1,09W ale to uz je detail :) ) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Damir ?poljari? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:41:25 +0200 (CEST) > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Milan Korda" > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni > Datum (Date): 5. 9. 2004 18:35 > ================================================== > > > Ja jsem z toho taky nebyl moudry, ale ted vim, ze kazdou cocku vyhriva > > 1.25W - 8 odporu 8R2 v serii(4 na kazdou hlavici) pripojeny 12V. Zrejme se > > vyhriva po cely rok, ale nevim jakej vyznam to ma v tehle vedrech :) > Nevim jestli to ma bejt vyhrejvany celej rok, ale treba v tehlech vedrech se muze stat to, ze kdyz je pres den horko a v noci teplota mensi (nechci rict zima, kdyz je leto ;) ), tak se tam muze vysrazet vhlkost ... > ____________________________________________________________ > Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Sep 5 19:05:10 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Sep 5 19:04:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni References: <20040905173647Z1303407-282+35873@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001501c49372$e2b36920$02086b0a@atintel> Jo chtel jsem napsat 1.125W, tak to vychazi pro 8ohm odpory a nejbliz je 8R2 :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k " To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni 1,25?...a mi se zdalo 2,5W malo... no, ja mam na jedne cocce 4 odpory 220om paralelne,ale to je jedno, ale sou kapku predimenzovane...asi by tam moc dlouho nevydrzely (neco pres 0,6W na jeden :) ) (kdyz to prepocitavam, tak mi vychazi pri 12V a 8,2ohm ten vykon na jednu cocu 1,09W ale to uz je detail :) ) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Damir ?poljari? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:41:25 +0200 (CEST) > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Milan Korda" > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni > Datum (Date): 5. 9. 2004 18:35 > ================================================== > > > Ja jsem z toho taky nebyl moudry, ale ted vim, ze kazdou cocku vyhriva > > 1.25W - 8 odporu 8R2 v serii(4 na kazdou hlavici) pripojeny 12V. Zrejme > > se > > vyhriva po cely rok, ale nevim jakej vyznam to ma v tehle vedrech :) > Nevim jestli to ma bejt vyhrejvany celej rok, ale treba v tehlech vedrech > se muze stat to, ze kdyz je pres den horko a v noci teplota mensi (nechci > rict zima, kdyz je leto ;) ), tak se tam muze vysrazet vhlkost ... > ____________________________________________________________ > Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Sep 5 19:34:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Sep 5 19:34:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni In-Reply-To: <20040905155705Z1300783-284+34779@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040905155705Z1300783-284+34779@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040905183405.GB5762@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 05:57:03PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > cetl sem si navod, ale z vytapeni nejsem chytry. ja sem to zapojil tak, ze > tem mam odpory do ctverce o strane 6cm (to je asi moc ze?...je to 90mm > cocka). hlavne ale nejsem chytry z vykonu. zapojil semto tak ze jednu cocku > vyhriva 2,5W. neni to malo? mam ji vyhrivat cely rok? nebo jenom nekdy? maji Jednu cocku ma vyhrivat neco pres 1W. To je asi nejaky divne zapojeny. Zrejme diky tomu, ze v tom navodu chybi schema celkoveho zapojeni. Mam to na todo listu, ale ted se opravuji jine nedostaky, jako napr. na signalni kabelazi a konzolich. > odpory udrzovat cocku suchou, nebo jenom nezamlzenou/nenamrzlou ? Jenom nezamlzenou. Na to staci maly vykon. Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Sep 5 19:36:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Sep 5 19:36:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni In-Reply-To: <554573.5462365-14085-1045268647-1094402485@email.seznam.cz> References: <000501c49366$4ba77730$02086b0a@atintel> <554573.5462365-14085-1045268647-1094402485@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040905183641.GD5762@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 06:41:25PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Milan Korda" > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] vykon vytapeni > Datum (Date): 5. 9. 2004 18:35 > ================================================== > > >Ja jsem z toho taky nebyl moudry, ale ted vim, ze kazdou cocku vyhriva > >1.25W - 8 odporu 8R2 v serii(4 na kazdou hlavici) pripojeny 12V. Zrejme se > >vyhriva po cely rok, ale nevim jakej vyznam to ma v tehle vedrech :) > Nevim jestli to ma bejt vyhrejvany celej rok, ale treba v tehlech vedrech > se muze stat to, ze kdyz je pres den horko a v noci teplota mensi (nechci > rict zima, kdyz je leto ;) ), tak se tam muze vysrazet vhlkost ... Da se adapter vytahnout ze zasuvky, ale kondenzace muze prijit. Pozna se to tak, kdyz jsou auta vecer / v noci zamlzena. Za hezkeho pocasi to AFAIK nenastava. Cl< > ____________________________________________________________ > Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sun Sep 5 23:00:29 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Sep 5 19:57:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide In-Reply-To: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <413B8C7D.50808@katka.biz> Stahnul sem si guide kompletne pomoci skriptu, funguje to v poradku, bezvadne. Ale problem nastal kdyz jsem se pokusil nakopirovat vse na partition FAT32 [Typ datove partition je dany moji obcasnou migraci na w2k/xp]. Konkretne se fat32 nelibi znaky "->", tedy spise jen >, ktery bych rek, ze FAT32 neovlada [skuste nekdo napsat na support M$ :-D]. To muze komplikovat pouziti cygwin nebo podobneho emulatoru, osobne sem to zatim nezkousel. p0l0us Karel Kulhav? wrote: >Hello > >I have created two bash scripts using wget and GNU grep at least 2.5 >to download Ronja Guide on a local machine. > >http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/DownloadRonja > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From kero at matfyz.cz Sun Sep 5 20:44:09 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Sun Sep 5 20:44:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LEDky a pomoc ? In-Reply-To: <000501c49349$8511d2d0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20040905130105.9E0291ABC85@relay.inway.cz> <000501c49349$8511d2d0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <413B6C89.8050403@matfyz.cz> Pripadne se podivej na czfree foru a posli mail uzivateli RPELKA , ten by je mozna mohl mit. Mej se, Kero Milan Korda napsal(a): > HPWT-BD00-F4000 sezenes asi tezko, ale lidi co maji HPWT-BD00-E4000 > najdes tady http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Neumann" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:01 AM > Subject: [Ronja] LEDky a pomoc ? > > > Zdrav?m > Nem? nekdo bokem 10ks HPWT-BD00-F4000 ? Koup?m na dob?rku nebo! V Praze si > pro ne prijedu. > > A taky jsem se chtel zeptat jestli se na Brevnove nenajde ochotny clovek co > ma skusenosti s Ronjou jestli by nam nemohl poct ? > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From kero at matfyz.cz Sun Sep 5 20:45:22 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Sun Sep 5 20:45:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LEDky a pomoc ? In-Reply-To: <413B6C89.8050403@matfyz.cz> References: <20040905130105.9E0291ABC85@relay.inway.cz> <000501c49349$8511d2d0$02086b0a@atintel> <413B6C89.8050403@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <413B6CD2.8000605@matfyz.cz> Myslim ty F4000, asi to nebylo zrejme Kero napsal(a): > Pripadne se podivej na czfree foru a posli mail uzivateli RPELKA , ten > by je mozna mohl mit. > Mej se, Kero > > Milan Korda napsal(a): > >> HPWT-BD00-F4000 sezenes asi tezko, ale lidi co maji HPWT-BD00-E4000 >> najdes tady http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Neumann" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:01 AM >> Subject: [Ronja] LEDky a pomoc ? >> >> >> Zdrav?m >> Nem? nekdo bokem 10ks HPWT-BD00-F4000 ? Koup?m na dob?rku nebo! V >> Praze si >> pro ne prijedu. >> >> A taky jsem se chtel zeptat jestli se na Brevnove nenajde ochotny >> clovek co >> ma skusenosti s Ronjou jestli by nam nemohl poct ? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From hodza at czfree-ol.net Sun Sep 5 22:11:12 2004 From: hodza at czfree-ol.net (Milan Kozak) Date: Sun Sep 5 22:01:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vsechno mozny. In-Reply-To: <200409051644.SAA22094@raven.upol.cz> References: <200409051644.SAA22094@raven.upol.cz> Message-ID: <1114.158.194.161.13.1094418672.squirrel@158.194.161.13> Rad bych predal par zkusenosti ze me stavby Ronji... Mozna usoudis (clocku) ze neco bude dobre dat do navodu. Pokud ne tak supni ten prispevek do /dev/null ;-) 1. - (jsem vystudovany na SPSE) Osazuji se nejdrive SMD soucastky, pote dratove propojky, dale odpory kondenzatory, patice, a IO nazaver. Vyjimku tvori VF tranzistory a podobne balasty /vetsinou ty citlive na statickou elektrinu/. Ty se osazuji vzdy nakonec (nektere maji napriklad zkratovaci hlinkovou folii, ktera se odtrhava az po samotnem zaletovani.... U Ronji samotne je tro trochu slozitejsi nebot napriklad nektere kondenzatory nelze do desky nacpat pred tim nez se naletuji IO. Vlastne to jde, ale ten IO se tam pak nevleze. :( Budu ted mluvit kriticky, ale predem bych ti chtel rict ze tve prace si velice cenim a jsem rad ze jsi "alespon neco na DPS" vymyslel - nebyl to urcite lehky ukol a ja si toho cennim. a) Dat stabilizator "obracene" - chladici casti smerem dovnitr je pekna prasarna a poprve jsem ho zakonite (vzhledem k tomu, ze uz nejakou praxi mam a do navodu cumim jen kdyz nevim - coz je moje chyba) otocil. Dioda se taky vetsinou dava na vstup a ne na vystup /nemyslim ted ve funkci schematu ale v ramci rozlozeni na DPS/. Neexistuje na to sice zadna norma ci predpis pokud vim, ale je to takove nepsane pravidlo - tak snad do budoucna. b) Ze nektere kondenzatory "trci" jednou nohou do vzduchu (coz je pry v nove verzi DPS opraveno) je vseobecne znamo. c)Popis konektoru typu "nahoru je to tohle" a "dolu tohle" je dosti zavadejici - ja premyslel pul hodiny nad tim kde je "nahoru" a kde "dolu" pro funkci loopback a pro PC. Kdo neni elektronik a nerozumi tomu, prijde na to pouhym zkousenim. Prijde mi i lepsi na DPS jako konektory na prepinace misto samice dat samce. Kdyz uz nic, tak ne kazdy tam ty prepinace chce (jsou dost drahe a casto i zbytecne) a lze misto nich na DPS primo pouzit klasicke Jumpery jako jsou na Motherboardu ci disku. Dlouhe kabliky navic nejsou idealnim vodicem pro ethernet (aneb co znamena UTP CAT 5.;-))... c) Blokovaci C u stabilizatoru se davaji co nejbliz (to plati i pro IO a ostatni veci kde plni C tuto funkci) d) ke kondenzatorum jeste jednou /a obecne k diskretnim soucastkam/. Neni spatne pokud lidi maji tu moznost (coz vetsinou bohuzel nemaji) je nejdrive zmerit. Ja koupil napriklad v GM hned nekolik "spatnych" kondenzatoru. Napriklad c=100pF s dovolenou uchylkou +/- 5% mel nejakych 40-60pF coz teda 5% urcite neni. Navic - jak uz jsem jednou rekl - pokud chces kondenzatorem neco blokovat, pak to patri hned k te soucastce (v extremnich pripadech se to dava primo pod tu soucastku mezi dotycne piny) a ne "kilometr" od ni. Nektere blokovaci kondenzatory jsou na druhe strane desky cimz ztraci svuj smysl a mohl by jsi je s klidnym svedomim vypustit. K soucastkam z GM a GES obecne - ackoliv jsem na foru necetl nic ohledne jejich funkcnosti /jen o TP ktere se nepodarilo ozivit/ - ja pri mem nakupu /2 spoje/ nakoupil hned 3 IO spatne , ale s tim uz asi clovek nic neudela. Vysvetlit prodavacce ze HC svab by se nemel brat do ruky je strasny problem. e) civka - lepsi je home made civka nez kupovana - myslim, ze nedavno tu o tom byla rec. Home made civka se nespali a ma stejne vlastnosti jako kupovana. Je ale levnejsi a ma narozdil od kupovane daleko mensi vnitrni odpor a kapacitni vazby /v teto aplikaci je to asi nepodstatne/. 2. Stineni. Z praxe je odzkouseno (a jsou na to i programy /nepamatuji si nazvy/), ze daleko lepsi je medena krabicka nez krabicka z cinovaneho plechu. Krabice ze zdroje je fajn ale je zbytecne velka takze neni ucina tak jak by bylo treba - kazdopadne je to ale lepsi nez nic. 3. vf tranzistory v hlavicich. Mam overeno na dvou spojich s normalnim vf trantistorem na vzdalenost 200cm je RSSI 2x vetsi nez s jeho "bratrickem" v poudru SMD. Mozna ze maji jen T v SMT provedeni jinak nastaveny pracovni bod a po "dostelovani" /nastaveni pracovniho bodu/ se to srovna - to spis jen tak pro zajimavost. 4. PIN dioda BPW43 (mozna zase jen muj "podareny" nakup) byla jako by "zaspinena" (20ks vsechny stejne "zasrane") nevim, jestli to jen skladovali u lahve s nejakym redidlem a povrch se tak narusil /nebo tak ma vypadat/, ale kazdopadne SFH dioda vypadala (a pote taky fungovala) podstatne lip... Neco jsem rekl a ted bych mel dotaz - mam tu jednoho twistera /jeden spoj/, ktery se chova znacne "podivne". Je postaven na DPS + Rx a Tx ala Skontorp. Rssi v pohode, vsechny led sviti jak maji, odber je spravny. Jakmile ho pripojim, komunikace nefunguje - led na HUBu /i pri testech na sitovce/ blikaji spravne. Zajimave na tom je to, ze zarizeni funguje takto /i kdyz dam primo twister-twister bez Rx a Tx/: Ping z jednoho TP na druhe - nic Ping z druheho TP na prvni - nic Ping z prvniho na druhy a zaroven z druheho na prvni - voala - pingame... Dalsi haluz mi to napriklad dela, i kdyz na jednu stranu dam hub a na druhy WiFi acess point s integrovanym routerem. Pingy nejedou (ackoliv komunikace podle led probiha) - ok rikam si ze je neco v <>, ale pritom IP adresu /ackoliv velice pomalu/ si to mezi sebou pomoci DHCP stahne. Nevite nekdo cim to? Snad je to vse... Berte prosim muj prispevek jako nejake "zhrnuti" - vim ze nektere veci se tu uz resily a jine zase ne. Pisu to jen abych nekomu pomohl ne abych vyrypoval. Diky - s pozdravem Hodza - CzFree-Ol.Net From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Mon Sep 6 01:09:00 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Mon Sep 6 01:00:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vsechno mozny. In-Reply-To: <1114.158.194.161.13.1094418672.squirrel@158.194.161.13> References: <200409051644.SAA22094@raven.upol.cz> <1114.158.194.161.13.1094418672.squirrel@158.194.161.13> Message-ID: <413BAA9C.4010401@jkl.darktech.org> Milan Kozak wrote: > 1. - (jsem vystudovany na SPSE) > a) Dat stabilizator "obracene" - chladici casti smerem dovnitr je pekna > prasarna a poprve jsem ho zakonite (vzhledem k tomu, ze uz nejakou praxi > mam a do navodu cumim jen kdyz nevim - coz je moje chyba) otocil. Dioda se > taky vetsinou dava na vstup a ne na vystup /nemyslim ted ve funkci > schematu ale v ramci rozlozeni na DPS/. Neexistuje na to sice zadna norma > ci predpis pokud vim, ale je to takove nepsane pravidlo - tak snad do > budoucna. ... > c) Blokovaci C u stabilizatoru se davaji co nejbliz (to plati i pro IO a > ostatni veci kde plni C tuto funkci) V navodu se pise: "Solder the parts into PCB in this order: ... Instead of U68, "Header vertical, pitch 2.54mm, gold plated, 1-row, 3-way, with key" according to assignment helper sheet " a dale: "Solder the C54 and C55 (both are the same value) directly on the pins of U68. Mount U68 using one short M3 bolt, one M3 toothed spring washer and one M3 nut onto it's hole from the inner side, it's pins pointing towards the four big holes (connectors & switches)." Z ktere casti (jsou tam i fotky) jste tedy usoudil ze stabilizator ma byt na PCB a ze blokovaci kodan ma byt kilometr daleko ? ;-) K poradi pajeni soucastek: Treba sem taky studovanej a vim v jakem poradi je vhodne pajet, neprectu si autoruv navod a zapajim kondenzatory pred IC. Pak se ale nesmim divit vlastni chytrosti, kdyz se tam pak nekere IC nevejdou, pres to ze se poradi v navodu pise :-)) K Vasemu problemu s AP a hubem, Twister je rozhrani RONJi primarne urcene k propojeni 2 sitovych karet, pripadne switche s moznosti natvrdo nastavit rezim provozu. Vlastni zkusenost s twistrem v managovatelnem switchi nemam, ale snad by to melo fungovat :-), nicmene propojit AP a HUB bude obtizne. Nektere AP umoznuji nastavit 10 Mbit Fullduplex na svuj port WAN, avsak zrejme to vyzaduje jiste hackovani firmware AP. Ovsem HUB nenastavite do Fullduplexu z principu. Zkousel jste nejdriv rozchodit zminene twistery na kartach v PC? From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 6 07:08:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 07:09:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide In-Reply-To: <413B8C7D.50808@katka.biz> References: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> <413B8C7D.50808@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040906060857.GA17524@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:00:29PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Stahnul sem si guide kompletne pomoci skriptu, funguje to v poradku, > bezvadne. Ale problem nastal kdyz jsem se pokusil nakopirovat vse na > partition FAT32 [Typ datove partition je dany moji obcasnou migraci na > w2k/xp]. Konkretne se fat32 nelibi znaky "->", tedy spise jen >, ktery > bych rek, ze FAT32 neovlada [skuste nekdo napsat na support M$ :-D]. To > muze komplikovat pouziti cygwin nebo podobneho emulatoru, osobne sem to > zatim nezkousel. Zkus tem wgetum v tom skriptu dat --restrict-file-names=windows a kdyz to bude fungovat, tak to tam dam. Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Sep 6 08:28:13 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 08:28:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vsechno mozny. References: <200409051644.SAA22094@raven.upol.cz><1114.158.194.161.13.1094418672.squirrel@158.194.161.13> <413BAA9C.4010401@jkl.darktech.org> Message-ID: <006401c493e3$11b74820$0103450a@thechosen> > "Solder the C54 and C55 (both are the same value) directly on the pins > of U68. Mount U68 using one short M3 bolt, one M3 toothed spring washer > and one M3 nut onto it's hole from the inner side, it's pins pointing > towards the four big holes (connectors & switches)." > > Z ktere casti (jsou tam i fotky) jste tedy usoudil ze stabilizator ma > byt na PCB a ze blokovaci kodan ma byt kilometr daleko ? ;-) k tomu ze by mel byt na desce musi dojit kazdej kdo se na to podiva, pady stabliku s rastrem 2,54 a vzdalene od okraje take 2,54, a popiska U68 (oznaceni IO) proste svadi k tomu ze tam ten stablik je v desce, chladici kridelko ma ven a je to prisroubovane at uz ke krabicce nebo k chladici > K poradi pajeni soucastek: Treba sem taky studovanej a vim v jakem > poradi je vhodne pajet, neprectu si autoruv navod a zapajim kondenzatory > pred IC. Pak se ale nesmim divit vlastni chytrosti, kdyz se tam pak > nekere IC nevejdou, pres to ze se poradi v navodu pise :-)) to mu se nesmej, to ze se tam io nevejde v pripade ze osadis na statiku citlive io naposled neni chyba toho co to stavi at je v navodu psane cokoliv. v tomhle pripade to neni ani moc chyba clocka, protoze se tam nevejdou jen urcite io a zrovna na potvoru (aspon v tom co jsme koupil ja) byli od jine firmy a jejich pouzdra byla delsi nez io jina. > K Vasemu problemu s AP a hubem, Twister je rozhrani RONJi primarne > urcene k propojeni 2 sitovych karet, pripadne switche s moznosti natvrdo > nastavit rezim provozu. Vlastni zkusenost s twistrem v managovatelnem > switchi nemam, ale snad by to melo fungovat :-), nicmene propojit AP a > HUB bude obtizne. Nektere AP umoznuji nastavit 10 Mbit Fullduplex na > svuj port WAN, avsak zrejme to vyzaduje jiste hackovani firmware AP. > Ovsem HUB nenastavite do Fullduplexu z principu. Zkousel jste nejdriv > rozchodit zminene twistery na kartach v PC? From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Sep 6 10:47:16 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Sep 6 10:46:47 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubk?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?a?= In-Reply-To: <20040903081936.GA18649@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4133003D.8070803@host.sk> <000301c2db8c$554a9210$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <20040903081936.GA18649@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <13614948219.20040906114716@volny.cz> Auta se nedelaj z plastu IMHO proto, aby bylo kam uklidit prebytecnou energii pri bouracce. Takhle se spotrebuje na slisovani plechu. U plastu takova absorbcni schopnost neni. Ondra KK> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:38:49PM +0100, Ale? Pavel wrote: >> > >> > Ja neviem, ale mne sa zda najdolezitejsi fakt ten, ze plechova trubka >> > ovela lepsie odraza el-mag vlnenie ako plastova. >> >> Nad tim jsem nepremyslel to je fakt. KK> Ja nevim ze se nedelaj treba karoserie u auta z plastu - to by bylo pak jako na KK> autodraze - auta by do sebe narazily na dalnici, odrazily by se jako KK> pingpongove micky a ucastnici dopravni nehody by z toho meli akorat ohromnou KK> prcu :) KK> No i kdyz takovej Traband, ten to mel z nejakeho tusim bakelitoveho laminatu :) KK> Cl< >> >> >> > Mame sice spravene zatial vsetko cez plast, ale na dhle spoje >> > by som to >> > neriskoval. Do toho zahrnujem aj UW, WiFi, laser a neviem co >> > vsetko. Je mi divne, ze sa bavite preve o roztaznosti. btw >> > kov v takej dlzke by >> > mal mat nepomerne vyssie odolne vlastnosti voci pocasiu ako plast. >> >> Jak jsem ?ekl to je preci pitomost. Kov ma vetsi roztaznost nez >> plast,rezne a krouti se. >> >> >> > PVC-U je sice fajn, ale ked vam na to bude svietit slnko a ten plast >> > nebude UW upraveny, tak sa bude lamat a bude krehky. >> Tie >> > vlastnosti maju >> > skoro vsetky polyadovane marialy. >> Ten plast o kterem s takovou jistotou mluvis najdes na skoro v?ech >> novych baracich, neosetren ani barvou a st?le drzici tvar a pevny. >> Krom toho ka?d? inteligenti clovek to alespon natre nez to strci na >> strechu. >> >> >> Taktiez zmena letnych pneumatik na >> > aute a zimne - to nie je len otazka dezenu, je to aj otazka >> > krehkosti a >> > roztaznosti materialu v roznych teplotnych podmienkach. Letne >> > pneumatiky >> > v zime krehnu, teda sa okrem ineho smykaju. A zimne pneumatiky v lete >> > maju vysoku roztaznost, co sposobuje vacsiu prilnavost k >> > vozovke a tym >> > vacsia spotreba motoru. >> >> Tak fajn dej si na strechu radeji zimni pneumatiky:-) (sem nezabihej je >> to opravdu jiny material) >> >> > Neviem, ci by som robil tie trubky z plastu - akehokolvek - plasty su >> > relativne nova technologia tak tazko povedat :) (teda co sa >> > tyka dlhych >> > prepojov) >> >> Ja fakt nevim kde by mel byt problem. Mam pocit ze mas mensi sanci ze ti >> to tepelne uhne nez u kovu, lepe se to opracovava a tusim ze je to i >> levnejsi. >> >> Aldik >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Sep 6 10:49:09 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Sep 6 10:48:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krabice od PC zdroje In-Reply-To: <41382528.6010807@seznam.cz> References: <20040902192541Z1302358-23099+184401@mail.centrum.cz> <421346429.20040901221234@volny.cz> <20040903080239.GA18578@beton.cybernet.src> <41382528.6010807@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <18815061854.20040906114909@volny.cz> Opravdu nechapu proc to vystrikavat. Krabicky jsou z PLECHU, a na povrchu jsou POMEDENE. Co vic si prat? Ondra IvC> Mno sice by to byla prace navic, ale neresilo by krabicku zevnitr/zvenku IvC> "vystrikat" - pokovit? IvC> IvC> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 10:12:34PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> >>>Ja pouzivam na Twistry "kulate krabicky" - kourova vicka, ktera jsou >>>pomedena. Jedna krabicka slozena ze dvou vicek vyjde na 50Kc. >> >> >> Hm, koukal jsem se na ty fotky. Mechanicky je to pomerne zajimavy napad zejmena >> proto, ze se tam usetri spousta mista v rozich. Z architektonicky-estetickeho >> hlediska to je take zajimave, nebot to vnasi prvek kruhu do jinak krabicovitych >> tvaru elektroniky ;-) (Sumny Tesaruv Twister). Z hlediska ceny to zni take >> vyborne a sehnatelnost je taky asi dobra. Nicmene do navodu to nedam, >> protoze to bude pravdepodobne hovno-hovno elektromagneticky tesnit. >> >> Ale jestli to chces dat do user contributions tak tam neco napis, pro lidi >> kterym bude jedno ze to bude z hlediska elektromagnetickeho mizerne to muze >> byt zajimave. Ale at je to v contribs, at na me pak nechodej kdyz jim to bude >> kvuli tomu nejak blbnout :) >> >> Ty fotky uploadnu na galerku. >> >> Cl< IvC> ---------- IvC> * www.inMail.cz - Vase emailova adresa na cely zivot ZDARMA IvC> * www.czechia.com - profesionalni webhosting a registrace domen za vyhodne ceny IvC> * Zoner Media Explorer 6 - Poznejte kouzlo digit?ln? fotografie! (http://www.zoner.cz/zme6) IvC> _______________________________________________ IvC> Ronja mailing list IvC> Ronja@lists.pointless.net IvC> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From joschua10 at gmx.de Mon Sep 6 12:08:39 2004 From: joschua10 at gmx.de (joschua10@gmx.de) Date: Mon Sep 6 12:08:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] optical device for developing countries Message-ID: <9124.1094468919@www18.gmx.net> Hi all, a new project just started to develope an optical, wireless device for developing countries. This is usefull because a non-free license is required to operate WLAN in some countries. The device should be cheap, easy and be able to operate at a distance up to some kilometers (bandwith is not so important. This seems to be the main difference to Ronja. If you feel interested please subscribe to the mailingslist/YahooGroup at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wirelessoptical/ Best regards, Josch -- Supergünstige DSL-Tarife + WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* Jetzt zu GMX wechseln und sparen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Sep 6 12:21:38 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 12:21:46 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_Re=5B2=5D:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka?= References: <4133003D.8070803@host.sk><000301c2db8c$554a9210$ca02130a@suchdol.czf><20040903081936.GA18649@beton.cybernet.src> <13614948219.20040906114716@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000d01c49403$ad4db420$0103450a@thechosen> no to je blbost, absorbci kineticke energie dokaze i palst a vubec nemluvim kdyz ma kovovou kostru. a abych vam take dal nejakej poznatek s palstovyma rourama. jeden spoj nam zacal za slunce losovat asi 20% +-3% (1472B flood). tak sm etam vlezli zjistili ze ustrelila vysilaci roura. tak jsme zkusili zakryt prijimaci kartonem. loss se snizil asi i 5% permanentne. tkze na extremni spoje plast fakt neni. kdyz sem zkousel fotit vnitrek roury pres cocku, zakryl sme celou cocku, dal objektiv k coce, cockou do vnitr svetlo nemohlo, bylo slunce, a k memu prekvapeni v roure na fotce bylo svetlaze bylo vydet kazdy detail. a dost mozna ze ho jest ehafo bylo v infra. Glo ---- Auta se nedelaj z plastu IMHO proto, aby bylo kam uklidit prebytecnou energii pri bouracce. Takhle se spotrebuje na slisovani plechu. U plastu takova absorbcni schopnost neni. Ondra KK> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:38:49PM +0100, Ale? Pavel wrote: >> > >> > Ja neviem, ale mne sa zda najdolezitejsi fakt ten, ze plechova trubka >> > ovela lepsie odraza el-mag vlnenie ako plastova. >> >> Nad tim jsem nepremyslel to je fakt. KK> Ja nevim ze se nedelaj treba karoserie u auta z plastu - to by bylo pak jako na KK> autodraze - auta by do sebe narazily na dalnici, odrazily by se jako KK> pingpongove micky a ucastnici dopravni nehody by z toho meli akorat ohromnou KK> prcu :) KK> No i kdyz takovej Traband, ten to mel z nejakeho tusim bakelitoveho laminatu :) KK> Cl< >> >> >> > Mame sice spravene zatial vsetko cez plast, ale na dhle spoje >> > by som to >> > neriskoval. Do toho zahrnujem aj UW, WiFi, laser a neviem co >> > vsetko. Je mi divne, ze sa bavite preve o roztaznosti. btw >> > kov v takej dlzke by >> > mal mat nepomerne vyssie odolne vlastnosti voci pocasiu ako plast. >> >> Jak jsem ?ekl to je preci pitomost. Kov ma vetsi roztaznost nez >> plast,rezne a krouti se. >> >> >> > PVC-U je sice fajn, ale ked vam na to bude svietit slnko a ten plast >> > nebude UW upraveny, tak sa bude lamat a bude krehky. >> Tie >> > vlastnosti maju >> > skoro vsetky polyadovane marialy. >> Ten plast o kterem s takovou jistotou mluvis najdes na skoro v?ech >> novych baracich, neosetren ani barvou a st?le drzici tvar a pevny. >> Krom toho ka?d? inteligenti clovek to alespon natre nez to strci na >> strechu. >> >> >> Taktiez zmena letnych pneumatik na >> > aute a zimne - to nie je len otazka dezenu, je to aj otazka >> > krehkosti a >> > roztaznosti materialu v roznych teplotnych podmienkach. Letne >> > pneumatiky >> > v zime krehnu, teda sa okrem ineho smykaju. A zimne pneumatiky v lete >> > maju vysoku roztaznost, co sposobuje vacsiu prilnavost k >> > vozovke a tym >> > vacsia spotreba motoru. >> >> Tak fajn dej si na strechu radeji zimni pneumatiky:-) (sem nezabihej je >> to opravdu jiny material) >> >> > Neviem, ci by som robil tie trubky z plastu - akehokolvek - plasty su >> > relativne nova technologia tak tazko povedat :) (teda co sa >> > tyka dlhych >> > prepojov) >> >> Ja fakt nevim kde by mel byt problem. Mam pocit ze mas mensi sanci ze ti >> to tepelne uhne nez u kovu, lepe se to opracovava a tusim ze je to i >> levnejsi. >> >> Aldik >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Mon Sep 6 15:51:17 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Mon Sep 6 15:51:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?! =?ISO-8859-2?Q?pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka?= In-Reply-To: <13614948219.20040906114716@volny.cz> References: <4133003D.8070803@host.sk> <000301c2db8c$554a9210$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <20040903081936.GA18649@beton.cybernet.src> <13614948219.20040906114716@volny.cz> Message-ID: <413C7965.5030308@host.sk> T nie je celkom tak - posledne roky sa koro vsetky narazniky, bocne masky a aj predne masky robia z plastu, len to nikto nevidi. Niekedy sa porite na "plech" napr okolo kolies nejakeho noveho auta nizsej stradnej triedy - je to v skutocnosti plast, nie plech. Plasty maju podstatne lepsie vastnosti absorbcie kim. energie ako plech. Plech velmi dobre prenasa tu energiu pri celnom naraze priamo k vnodicovi kdezto plast sa zdeformuje, odpruzi a praskne - je lacnejsi, jednoduchsie sa vyraba a rychlejsie sa opravuje prasknuty naraznik ako pokrcena karoseria. m. Ondrej Tesar wrote: >Auta se nedelaj z plastu IMHO proto, aby bylo kam uklidit prebytecnou >energii pri bouracce. Takhle se spotrebuje na slisovani plechu. U >plastu takova absorbcni schopnost neni. > >Ondra > >KK> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:38:49PM +0100, Ale? Pavel wrote: > > >>>>Ja neviem, ale mne sa zda najdolezitejsi fakt ten, ze plechova trubka >>>>ovela lepsie odraza el-mag vlnenie ako plastova. >>>> >>>> >>>Nad tim jsem nepremyslel to je fakt. >>> >>> > >KK> Ja nevim ze se nedelaj treba karoserie u auta z plastu - to by bylo pak jako na >KK> autodraze - auta by do sebe narazily na dalnici, odrazily by se jako >KK> pingpongove micky a ucastnici dopravni nehody by z toho meli akorat ohromnou >KK> prcu :) > >KK> No i kdyz takovej Traband, ten to mel z nejakeho tusim bakelitoveho laminatu :) > >KK> Cl< > > >>> >>> >>>>Mame sice spravene zatial vsetko cez plast, ale na dhle spoje >>>>by som to >>>>neriskoval. Do toho zahrnujem aj UW, WiFi, laser a neviem co >>>>vsetko. Je mi divne, ze sa bavite preve o roztaznosti. btw >>>>kov v takej dlzke by >>>>mal mat nepomerne vyssie odolne vlastnosti voci pocasiu ako plast. >>>> >>>> >>>Jak jsem ?ekl to je preci pitomost. Kov ma vetsi roztaznost nez >>>plast,rezne a krouti se. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>PVC-U je sice fajn, ale ked vam na to bude svietit slnko a ten plast >>>>nebude UW upraveny, tak sa bude lamat a bude krehky. >>>> >>>> >>> Tie >>> >>> >>>>vlastnosti maju >>>>skoro vsetky polyadovane marialy. >>>> >>>> >>>Ten plast o kterem s takovou jistotou mluvis najdes na skoro v?ech >>>novych baracich, neosetren ani barvou a st?le drzici tvar a pevny. >>>Krom toho ka?d? inteligenti clovek to alespon natre nez to strci na >>>strechu. >>> >>> >>>Taktiez zmena letnych pneumatik na >>> >>> >>>>aute a zimne - to nie je len otazka dezenu, je to aj otazka >>>>krehkosti a >>>>roztaznosti materialu v roznych teplotnych podmienkach. Letne >>>>pneumatiky >>>>v zime krehnu, teda sa okrem ineho smykaju. A zimne pneumatiky v lete >>>>maju vysoku roztaznost, co sposobuje vacsiu prilnavost k >>>>vozovke a tym >>>>vacsia spotreba motoru. >>>> >>>> >>>Tak fajn dej si na strechu radeji zimni pneumatiky:-) (sem nezabihej je >>>to opravdu jiny material) >>> >>> >>> >>>>Neviem, ci by som robil tie trubky z plastu - akehokolvek - plasty su >>>>relativne nova technologia tak tazko povedat :) (teda co sa >>>>tyka dlhych >>>>prepojov) >>>> >>>> >>>Ja fakt nevim kde by mel byt problem. Mam pocit ze mas mensi sanci ze ti >>>to tepelne uhne nez u kovu, lepe se to opracovava a tusim ze je to i >>>levnejsi. >>> >>>Aldik >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> > >KK> _______________________________________________ >KK> Ronja mailing list >KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.861 (20040904) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From polous at katka.biz Mon Sep 6 19:08:47 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Sep 6 16:05:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?! =?ISO-8859-2?Q?pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka?= In-Reply-To: <413C7965.5030308@host.sk> References: <4133003D.8070803@host.sk> <000301c2db8c$554a9210$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <20040903081936.GA18649@beton.cybernet.src> <13614948219.20040906114716@volny.cz> <413C7965.5030308@host.sk> Message-ID: <413CA7AF.2040105@katka.biz> Jenze ty narazniky z platu sou podporeny velmi masivnima kovovyma nosnikama, ktery pri narazu rozvedou tlak mimo kabinu takze treba pod auto, hodne toho absorbuje taky motor. U te absorbce se ale nejdna o narazy ve smesnych rychlostech 30km za hodinu, kdy si maximalne rozbijete chladic. Jde hlavne rychlosti kdy de o zivot a tam je plastovy naraznik celkem na ho*no. mimochodem ... kdyz jedete ve skode 120 rychlosti 110km/h, a naboura vam do skla moucha, tak ji projde zadecek hlavickou... kdyz nabourate do zdi, tak vam projde zadeckem motor :-) p0l0us Marcel Hecko wrote: > T nie je celkom tak - posledne roky sa koro vsetky narazniky, bocne > masky a aj predne masky robia z plastu, len to nikto nevidi. Niekedy > sa porite na "plech" napr okolo kolies nejakeho noveho auta nizsej > stradnej triedy - je to v skutocnosti plast, nie plech. Plasty maju > podstatne lepsie vastnosti absorbcie kim. energie ako plech. Plech > velmi dobre prenasa tu energiu pri celnom naraze priamo k vnodicovi > kdezto plast sa zdeformuje, odpruzi a praskne - je lacnejsi, > jednoduchsie sa vyraba a rychlejsie sa opravuje prasknuty naraznik ako > pokrcena karoseria. > > m. > From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Mon Sep 6 18:29:06 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 18:29:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace Message-ID: <163967.1449268-5484-516839321-1094491746@email.seznam.cz> Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. dik. ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 6 18:33:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 18:33:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace In-Reply-To: <163967.1449268-5484-516839321-1094491746@email.seznam.cz> References: <163967.1449268-5484-516839321-1094491746@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040906173326.GB4886@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 07:29:06PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u twistera? v > gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten popis - prepinac 2 > polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt > presne zlacenyho. Kontakty uvnitr. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 6 18:34:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 18:34:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace In-Reply-To: <163967.1449268-5484-516839321-1094491746@email.seznam.cz> References: <163967.1449268-5484-516839321-1094491746@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040906173419.GC4886@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 07:29:06PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u twistera? v Oznaceni nevim, o presny typ nejde, jde o to, aby to byl dvoupolohovy dvojity prepinac a aby byly kontakty zlacene v miste, kde vevnitr dochazi k elektrickemu kontaktu. Cl< From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Mon Sep 6 18:38:01 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 18:38:04 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20typ=20prepinace?= In-Reply-To: <20040906173419.GC4886@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <160168.4896631-15958-1228750044-1094492281@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Damir ?poljari?" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] typ prepinace Datum (Date): 6. 9. 2004 19:34 ================================================== > On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 07:29:06PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u twistera? v > > Oznaceni nevim, o presny typ nejde, jde o to, aby to byl dvoupolohovy > dvojity prepinac a aby byly kontakty zlacene v miste, kde vevnitr dochazi > k elektrickemu kontaktu. > > Cl< A je to hodne dulezity to mit uvnitr zlaceny?? hlavne za tu cenu 25Kc tam prej nic nemaj, tak by to mozna chtelo tedy aktualizovat cenu v seznamu soucastek ;) ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 From polous at katka.biz Mon Sep 6 21:53:15 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Sep 6 18:49:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace In-Reply-To: <163967.1449268-5484-516839321-1094491746@email.seznam.cz> References: <163967.1449268-5484-516839321-1094491746@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <413CCE3B.3050604@katka.biz> Podle mne jsou ty prepinace celkem zbytecny [propojil sem to swichema ze staryho MB - jako asi spousta dalsich], protoze ronju zapojim do PC routeru jednou a nikam ji nosit nebudu. Lepci switche s autonegotation uz stejne poznaji jakej drat je Rx a jakej Tx a kdyztak si to prehodej [viz to hwAP co mam]. Pri nejhostim otevres krabicku a prehodis to ... Vetsi nebezpeci vidim v tom, ze twister bude lezet nekde, nekvalifikovana osoba do nej strci, prepne jeden ten cumici prepinac a twister bude v loopbacku. jo a nemusim vrtat diry do krabice :) p0l0us Damir ?poljari? wrote: >Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. >dik. >____________________________________________________________ >Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte >http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Mon Sep 6 18:53:14 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 18:53:17 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20typ=20prepinace?= In-Reply-To: <413CCE3B.3050604@katka.biz> Message-ID: <218780.4901100-10867-1026757116-1094493193@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Martin Polehla" Komu (To): "Damir ?poljari?" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] typ prepinace Datum (Date): 6. 9. 2004 22:53 ================================================== > Podle mne jsou ty prepinace celkem zbytecny [propojil sem to swichema ze > staryho MB - jako asi spousta dalsich], protoze ronju zapojim do PC > routeru jednou a nikam ji nosit nebudu. Lepci switche s autonegotation > uz stejne poznaji jakej drat je Rx a jakej Tx a kdyztak si to prehodej > [viz to hwAP co mam]. Pri nejhostim otevres krabicku a prehodis to ... > Vetsi nebezpeci vidim v tom, ze twister bude lezet nekde, > nekvalifikovana osoba do nej strci, prepne jeden ten cumici prepinac a > twister bude v loopbacku. > > jo a nemusim vrtat diry do krabice :) > > p0l0us > > Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > >Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. > >dik. > >____________________________________________________________ > >Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte > >http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > ja tam ale uz ty diry mam ;) a chci tam ty prepinace. vadi kdyz to neni pozlaceny a vite nekdo tedy ten typ? ____________________________________________________________ STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76983 From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Sep 6 19:00:52 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:01:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace In-Reply-To: <413CCE3B.3050604@katka.biz> References: <163967.1449268-5484-516839321-1094491746@email.seznam.cz> <413CCE3B.3050604@katka.biz> Message-ID: <413CA5D4.1040004@sattnet.cz> Jojo, je to velkej luxus. Jumper stoji par haleru :-). Taky nemam prepinace. Martin Polehla napsal(a): > Podle mne jsou ty prepinace celkem zbytecny [propojil sem to swichema > ze staryho MB - jako asi spousta dalsich], protoze ronju zapojim do PC > routeru jednou a nikam ji nosit nebudu. Lepci switche s autonegotation > uz stejne poznaji jakej drat je Rx a jakej Tx a kdyztak si to > prehodej [viz to hwAP co mam]. Pri nejhostim otevres krabicku a > prehodis to ... Vetsi nebezpeci vidim v tom, ze twister bude lezet > nekde, nekvalifikovana osoba do nej strci, prepne jeden ten cumici > prepinac a twister bude v loopbacku. > > jo a nemusim vrtat diry do krabice :) > > p0l0us > > Damir ?poljari? wrote: > >> Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u >> twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten >> popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak >> nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. >> dik. >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, >> v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From polous at katka.biz Mon Sep 6 22:10:56 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:07:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace In-Reply-To: <218780.4901100-10867-1026757116-1094493193@email.seznam.cz> References: <218780.4901100-10867-1026757116-1094493193@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <413CD260.1060601@katka.biz> ze skusenosti ti muzu rict, ze pozlaceny bejt nemusej, osobne sem tam mel ty na obrazku [mozna je ten obrazek trosku vetsi] a fungovalo to bezproblemu i kdyz pozlaceny nejsou [jestli chces slyset tohle]. http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/twister_bordel.jpg - link nejni 100% pac je to muj komp. .. stejne sem pak dal ty switche .. asi kvuli tem diram do krabicky. :-) p0l0us Damir ?poljari? wrote: > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Martin Polehla" > >> Podle mne jsou ty prepinace celkem zbytecny [propojil sem to swichema >> ze staryho MB - jako asi spousta dalsich], protoze ronju zapojim do >> PC routeru jednou a nikam ji nosit nebudu. Lepci switche s >> autonegotation uz stejne poznaji jakej drat je Rx a jakej Tx a >> kdyztak si to prehodej [viz to hwAP co mam]. Pri nejhostim otevres >> krabicku a prehodis to ... Vetsi nebezpeci vidim v tom, ze twister >> bude lezet nekde, nekvalifikovana osoba do nej strci, prepne jeden >> ten cumici prepinac a twister bude v loopbacku. >> >> jo a nemusim vrtat diry do krabice :) >> >> p0l0us >> >> Damir ?poljari? wrote: >> >> >Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u >> twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten >> popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak >> nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. >> >dik. > > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Sep 6 19:17:21 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:17:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace References: <163967.1449268-5484-516839321-1094491746@email.seznam.cz><413CCE3B.3050604@katka.biz> <413CA5D4.1040004@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <001301c4943d$c104f520$0103450a@thechosen> no jasne :) lamaci koliky a na to jumper. jaky srani stim .) ale jestli chces mermomoci prepinac tak proste kup obycejnej dvou polohovej dvojitej packovej prepinac ne? :) treba 631-236 P-B068E Pp??kov? p?ep?na? 2x250V/2A ON-ON do plo?n?ho spoje 14.06ks 631-019 P-B068E Rp??kov? p?ep?na? 2x250V/2A ON-ON 12.18ks 631-033 P-B069E p??kov? p?ep?na? 2x250V/2A ON-ON 12.18ks 631-034 P-B069F p??kov? p?ep?na? 2x250V/2A ON-OFF-ON 14.78ks 631-008 P-B070E mini p??kov? p?ep?na?, 2x120V/3A 21.12ks ploste musi mit 6 vyvodu, ze btw mas v krabici diru a nevis jakej tam das prepinac? a neni to divny? co kdyz ti ted tou dirou ten prepinac propadne? :) Glo ----------- Jojo, je to velkej luxus. Jumper stoji par haleru :-). Taky nemam prepinace. Martin Polehla napsal(a): > Podle mne jsou ty prepinace celkem zbytecny [propojil sem to swichema > ze staryho MB - jako asi spousta dalsich], protoze ronju zapojim do PC > routeru jednou a nikam ji nosit nebudu. Lepci switche s autonegotation > uz stejne poznaji jakej drat je Rx a jakej Tx a kdyztak si to > prehodej [viz to hwAP co mam]. Pri nejhostim otevres krabicku a > prehodis to ... Vetsi nebezpeci vidim v tom, ze twister bude lezet > nekde, nekvalifikovana osoba do nej strci, prepne jeden ten cumici > prepinac a twister bude v loopbacku. > > jo a nemusim vrtat diry do krabice :) > > p0l0us > > Damir ?poljari? wrote: > >> Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u >> twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten >> popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak >> nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. >> dik. >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, >> v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Sep 6 19:19:22 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:19:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace References: <218780.4901100-10867-1026757116-1094493193@email.seznam.cz> <413CD260.1060601@katka.biz> Message-ID: <001901c4943e$08c778b0$0103450a@thechosen> :) proc by to nemelo fungovat? podle me to tam clock napsal z duvodu ze zlato asi nekoroduje, ze? takze i podeseti letech to tam bude drzet kontakt a bude to min poruchove. proto je nejlepsi stejne ten jumper, lamaci lista zlaena je, jumper taky vetsinou tak co. Glo > ze skusenosti ti muzu rict, ze pozlaceny bejt nemusej, osobne sem tam > mel ty na obrazku [mozna je ten obrazek trosku vetsi] a fungovalo to > bezproblemu i kdyz pozlaceny nejsou [jestli chces slyset tohle]. > > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/twister_bordel.jpg - link nejni > 100% pac je to muj komp. > > .. stejne sem pak dal ty switche .. asi kvuli tem diram do krabicky. :-) > > p0l0us > > Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > > Od (From): "Martin Polehla" > > > >> Podle mne jsou ty prepinace celkem zbytecny [propojil sem to swichema > >> ze staryho MB - jako asi spousta dalsich], protoze ronju zapojim do > >> PC routeru jednou a nikam ji nosit nebudu. Lepci switche s > >> autonegotation uz stejne poznaji jakej drat je Rx a jakej Tx a > >> kdyztak si to prehodej [viz to hwAP co mam]. Pri nejhostim otevres > >> krabicku a prehodis to ... Vetsi nebezpeci vidim v tom, ze twister > >> bude lezet nekde, nekvalifikovana osoba do nej strci, prepne jeden > >> ten cumici prepinac a twister bude v loopbacku. > >> > >> jo a nemusim vrtat diry do krabice :) > >> > >> p0l0us > >> > >> Damir ?poljari? wrote: > >> > >> >Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u > >> twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten > >> popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak > >> nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. > >> >dik. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From honza at hoidekr.net Mon Sep 6 19:32:18 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:32:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace In-Reply-To: <001901c4943e$08c778b0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <218780.4901100-10867-1026757116-1094493193@email.seznam.cz> <413CD260.1060601@katka.biz> <001901c4943e$08c778b0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <413CAD32.209@hoidekr.net> jojo jumpery a lamaci lista, taky to mam pokud to budu davat na jinou linku, tak jsou dve moznosti 1) otebru krabicku a prepnu to, 2) prekonektoruju kabel, ktery jde do sitovky nebo jeste treti pripad, ze nebudu muset delat nic ;-) Honza Michal Mal??ek wrote: > :) proc by to nemelo fungovat? podle me to tam clock napsal z duvodu ze > zlato asi nekoroduje, ze? takze i podeseti letech to tam bude drzet kontakt > a bude to min poruchove. proto je nejlepsi stejne ten jumper, lamaci lista > zlaena je, jumper taky vetsinou tak co. > > Glo > > > >>ze skusenosti ti muzu rict, ze pozlaceny bejt nemusej, osobne sem tam >>mel ty na obrazku [mozna je ten obrazek trosku vetsi] a fungovalo to >>bezproblemu i kdyz pozlaceny nejsou [jestli chces slyset tohle]. >> >>http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/twister_bordel.jpg - link nejni >>100% pac je to muj komp. >> >>.. stejne sem pak dal ty switche .. asi kvuli tem diram do krabicky. :-) >> >>p0l0us >> >>Damir ?poljari? wrote: >> >> >>>================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= >>>Od (From): "Martin Polehla" >>> >>>>Podle mne jsou ty prepinace celkem zbytecny [propojil sem to swichema >>>>ze staryho MB - jako asi spousta dalsich], protoze ronju zapojim do >>>>PC routeru jednou a nikam ji nosit nebudu. Lepci switche s >>>>autonegotation uz stejne poznaji jakej drat je Rx a jakej Tx a >>>>kdyztak si to prehodej [viz to hwAP co mam]. Pri nejhostim otevres >>>>krabicku a prehodis to ... Vetsi nebezpeci vidim v tom, ze twister >>>>bude lezet nekde, nekvalifikovana osoba do nej strci, prepne jeden >>>>ten cumici prepinac a twister bude v loopbacku. >>>> >>>>jo a nemusim vrtat diry do krabice :) >>>> >>>>p0l0us >>>> >>>>Damir ?poljari? wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u >>>> >>>>twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten >>>>popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak >>>>nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. >>>> >>>>>dik. >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Mon Sep 6 19:35:36 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:35:40 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20typ=20prepinace?= In-Reply-To: <413CAD32.209@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <215173.4898432-1597-1832289889-1094495736@email.seznam.cz> A v praxi se to zapoji jak??? misto dratku pro prepinac tam tedy dam ty koliky z lamaci listy a ty jumpery pak prijou jak?? a co mam dat na tu krabicku?? ;) ja tam uz mam vyvrtany diry... ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Jan Hoidekr" Komu (To): "Michal Mal??ek" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] typ prepinace Datum (Date): 6. 9. 2004 20:32 ================================================== > jojo jumpery a lamaci lista, taky to mam > pokud to budu davat na jinou linku, tak jsou dve moznosti 1) otebru > krabicku a prepnu to, 2) prekonektoruju kabel, ktery jde do sitovky > nebo jeste treti pripad, ze nebudu muset delat nic ;-) > > Honza > > Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > :) proc by to nemelo fungovat? podle me to tam clock napsal z duvodu ze > > zlato asi nekoroduje, ze? takze i podeseti letech to tam bude drzet kontakt > > a bude to min poruchove. proto je nejlepsi stejne ten jumper, lamaci lista > > zlaena je, jumper taky vetsinou tak co. > > > > Glo > > > > > > > >>ze skusenosti ti muzu rict, ze pozlaceny bejt nemusej, osobne sem tam > >>mel ty na obrazku [mozna je ten obrazek trosku vetsi] a fungovalo to > >>bezproblemu i kdyz pozlaceny nejsou [jestli chces slyset tohle]. > >> > >>http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/twister_bordel.jpg - link nejni > >>100% pac je to muj komp. > >> > >>.. stejne sem pak dal ty switche .. asi kvuli tem diram do krabicky. :-) > >> > >>p0l0us > >> > >>Damir ?poljari? wrote: > >> > >> > >>>================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > >>>Od (From): "Martin Polehla" > >>> > >>>>Podle mne jsou ty prepinace celkem zbytecny [propojil sem to swichema > >>>>ze staryho MB - jako asi spousta dalsich], protoze ronju zapojim do > >>>>PC routeru jednou a nikam ji nosit nebudu. Lepci switche s > >>>>autonegotation uz stejne poznaji jakej drat je Rx a jakej Tx a > >>>>kdyztak si to prehodej [viz to hwAP co mam]. Pri nejhostim otevres > >>>>krabicku a prehodis to ... Vetsi nebezpeci vidim v tom, ze twister > >>>>bude lezet nekde, nekvalifikovana osoba do nej strci, prepne jeden > >>>>ten cumici prepinac a twister bude v loopbacku. > >>>> > >>>>jo a nemusim vrtat diry do krabice :) > >>>> > >>>>p0l0us > >>>> > >>>>Damir ?poljari? wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u > >>>> > >>>>twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten > >>>>popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak > >>>>nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. > >>>> > >>>>>dik. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ Chce? za??t neuv??iteln? ?let se Snickers na Nov?m Z?landu? Tak si dej Snickers a u?ij si 14 dn? nabit?ch energi?! Klikni a le?! www.energiemusiven.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76905 From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 6 19:37:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:37:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace In-Reply-To: <160168.4896631-15958-1228750044-1094492281@email.seznam.cz> References: <20040906173419.GC4886@beton.cybernet.src> <160168.4896631-15958-1228750044-1094492281@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040906183744.GA22599@beton.cybernet.src> > > > On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 07:29:06PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > > Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u twistera? v > > > > Oznaceni nevim, o presny typ nejde, jde o to, aby to byl dvoupolohovy > > dvojity prepinac a aby byly kontakty zlacene v miste, kde vevnitr dochazi > > k elektrickemu kontaktu. > > > > Cl< > > A je to hodne dulezity to mit uvnitr zlaceny?? hlavne za tu cenu 25Kc tam prej nic nemaj, tak by to mozna chtelo tedy aktualizovat cenu v seznamu soucastek ;) Ja ten zlacenej mam a vypada presne jako v tom GM a mam pocit ze nektery tam zlaceny maj. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 6 19:38:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:38:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace In-Reply-To: <218780.4901100-10867-1026757116-1094493193@email.seznam.cz> References: <413CCE3B.3050604@katka.biz> <218780.4901100-10867-1026757116-1094493193@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040906183822.GB22599@beton.cybernet.src> > ja tam ale uz ty diry mam ;) a chci tam ty prepinace. vadi kdyz to neni > pozlaceny a vite nekdo tedy ten typ? Vadi to z hlediska spolehlivosti. Typ nevim. Cl< From polous at katka.biz Mon Sep 6 22:46:01 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:42:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace In-Reply-To: <215173.4898432-1597-1832289889-1094495736@email.seznam.cz> References: <215173.4898432-1597-1832289889-1094495736@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <413CDA99.1070804@katka.biz> proste tak: http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/twister_top.jpg - link nejni 100% pac je to muj komp, kdyz tak me kontaktujte ;) p0l0us Damir ?poljari? wrote: > A v praxi se to zapoji jak??? misto dratku pro prepinac tam tedy dam > ty koliky z lamaci listy a ty jumpery pak prijou jak?? > a co mam dat na tu krabicku?? ;) ja tam uz mam vyvrtany diry... > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Sep 6 19:45:22 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:45:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Guma In-Reply-To: <20040906183822.GB22599@beton.cybernet.src> References: <413CCE3B.3050604@katka.biz> <218780.4901100-10867-1026757116-1094493193@email.seznam.cz> <20040906183822.GB22599@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <413CB042.5050107@sattnet.cz> Jakou zivotnost ma ta pryz? Cerna guma. Uz na ni radi pocasi dva tydny a nepatrne to popraskalo. Nebo ji necim potrit - barvou, olejem? -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Sep 6 19:46:06 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:46:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace References: <215173.4898432-1597-1832289889-1094495736@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000d01c49441$c4dd7790$0103450a@thechosen> jestli ti tam ta dira vadi z estetickeho hlediska tak si udelej novou skatuly :) nebo je zapajej kusem plechu nebo je tam nech. listu tam prost edas jak jde, jiak ji tam nedas :) a jumpru tam das tak ze cucis na desku tak aby si ji mel delsi stranou k sobe, tema listama napravo a jump?ry tam das svisle :) bud oba nahoru neb dolu nebo jak se ti zlibi. je to jak ve schematu. ---- A v praxi se to zapoji jak??? misto dratku pro prepinac tam tedy dam ty koliky z lamaci listy a ty jumpery pak prijou jak?? a co mam dat na tu krabicku?? ;) ja tam uz mam vyvrtany diry... ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Jan Hoidekr" Komu (To): "Michal Mal??ek" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] typ prepinace Datum (Date): 6. 9. 2004 20:32 ================================================== > jojo jumpery a lamaci lista, taky to mam > pokud to budu davat na jinou linku, tak jsou dve moznosti 1) otebru > krabicku a prepnu to, 2) prekonektoruju kabel, ktery jde do sitovky > nebo jeste treti pripad, ze nebudu muset delat nic ;-) > > Honza > > Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > :) proc by to nemelo fungovat? podle me to tam clock napsal z duvodu ze > > zlato asi nekoroduje, ze? takze i podeseti letech to tam bude drzet kontakt > > a bude to min poruchove. proto je nejlepsi stejne ten jumper, lamaci lista > > zlaena je, jumper taky vetsinou tak co. > > > > Glo > > > > > > > >>ze skusenosti ti muzu rict, ze pozlaceny bejt nemusej, osobne sem tam > >>mel ty na obrazku [mozna je ten obrazek trosku vetsi] a fungovalo to > >>bezproblemu i kdyz pozlaceny nejsou [jestli chces slyset tohle]. > >> > >>http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/twister_bordel.jpg - link nejni > >>100% pac je to muj komp. > >> > >>.. stejne sem pak dal ty switche .. asi kvuli tem diram do krabicky. :-) > >> > >>p0l0us > >> > >>Damir ?poljari? wrote: > >> > >> > >>>================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > >>>Od (From): "Martin Polehla" > >>> > >>>>Podle mne jsou ty prepinace celkem zbytecny [propojil sem to swichema > >>>>ze staryho MB - jako asi spousta dalsich], protoze ronju zapojim do > >>>>PC routeru jednou a nikam ji nosit nebudu. Lepci switche s > >>>>autonegotation uz stejne poznaji jakej drat je Rx a jakej Tx a > >>>>kdyztak si to prehodej [viz to hwAP co mam]. Pri nejhostim otevres > >>>>krabicku a prehodis to ... Vetsi nebezpeci vidim v tom, ze twister > >>>>bude lezet nekde, nekvalifikovana osoba do nej strci, prepne jeden > >>>>ten cumici prepinac a twister bude v loopbacku. > >>>> > >>>>jo a nemusim vrtat diry do krabice :) > >>>> > >>>>p0l0us > >>>> > >>>>Damir ?poljari? wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u > >>>> > >>>>twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten > >>>>popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak > >>>>nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. > >>>> > >>>>>dik. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ Chce? za??t neuv??iteln? ?let se Snickers na Nov?m Z?landu? Tak si dej Snickers a u?ij si 14 dn? nabit?ch energi?! Klikni a le?! www.energiemusiven.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76905 _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 6 19:52:48 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 19:53:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace Message-ID: <20040906185259Z1300673-19865+11517@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Mal??ek > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:17:21 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] typ prepinace > > no jasne :) lamaci koliky a na to jumper. jaky srani stim .) > ale jestli chces mermomoci prepinac tak proste kup obycejnej dvou polohovej > dvojitej packovej prepinac ne? :) > treba > 631-236 P-B068E Pp??kov? p?ep?na? 2x250V/2A ON-ON do plo?n?ho spoje > 14.06ks > 631-019 P-B068E Rp??kov? p?ep?na? 2x250V/2A ON-ON 12.18ks > 631-033 P-B069E p??kov? p?ep?na? 2x250V/2A ON-ON 12.18ks > 631-034 P-B069F p??kov? p?ep?na? 2x250V/2A ON-OFF-ON 14.78ks > 631-008 P-B070E mini p??kov? p?ep?na?, 2x120V/3A 21.12ks > ploste musi mit 6 vyvodu, ze > > btw mas v krabici diru a nevis jakej tam das prepinac? a neni to divny? co > kdyz ti ted tou dirou ten prepinac propadne? :) a nedej Boze,aby tou dirou vlezla housenka, vylihla se, a pak ti jako motyl odletel cely twister!!!.... nebo dokonce i s PC !!! .... diry sou svine :) > > Glo > > ----------- > > Jojo, je to velkej luxus. Jumper stoji par haleru :-). Taky nemam prepinace. > > Martin Polehla napsal(a): > > > Podle mne jsou ty prepinace celkem zbytecny [propojil sem to swichema > > ze staryho MB - jako asi spousta dalsich], protoze ronju zapojim do PC > > routeru jednou a nikam ji nosit nebudu. Lepci switche s autonegotation > > uz stejne poznaji jakej drat je Rx a jakej Tx a kdyztak si to > > prehodej [viz to hwAP co mam]. Pri nejhostim otevres krabicku a > > prehodis to ... Vetsi nebezpeci vidim v tom, ze twister bude lezet > > nekde, nekvalifikovana osoba do nej strci, prepne jeden ten cumici > > prepinac a twister bude v loopbacku. > > > > jo a nemusim vrtat diry do krabice :) > > > > p0l0us > > > > Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > > >> Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u > >> twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten > >> popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak > >> nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. > >> dik. > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, > >> v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Sep 6 20:03:49 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?Q?Michal_Mal=C5=AF=C5=A1ek?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 20:03:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Guma References: <413CCE3B.3050604@katka.biz> <218780.4901100-10867-1026757116-1094493193@email.seznam.cz><20040906183822.GB22599@beton.cybernet.src> <413CB042.5050107@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c49444$3e40af10$0103450a@thechosen> guma se da striknout silicalem, nebo jinym siliconovim olejem (prej), ale co jsme videl nekolik let stare silet blocky ze skodovky tak ty snad nebyli ani zpuchrele Glo ---- Jakou zivotnost ma ta pryz? Cerna guma. Uz na ni radi pocasi dva tydny a nepatrne to popraskalo. Nebo ji necim potrit - barvou, olejem? -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 6 20:07:16 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 20:07:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace Message-ID: <20040906190719Z1301244-19882+11772@mail.centrum.cz> no.... kdybych to resil do takeho detajlu, tak bych byl asi ted nekde u vyroby pls na aui (tomu je tam 2 roky :) ) ja sem dal na jednoho twistra prepinace (nejlevnejsi packove z GM (8Kc)) a k druhemu uz me proste nebavilo dratkovani tak sem tam dal jumpry. stare dobre... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Mal??ek > Komu: Damir ?poljari? , "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:46:06 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] typ prepinace > > jestli ti tam ta dira vadi z estetickeho hlediska tak si udelej novou > skatuly :) nebo je zapajej kusem plechu nebo je tam nech. > listu tam prost edas jak jde, jiak ji tam nedas :) a jumpru tam das tak ze > cucis na desku tak aby si ji mel delsi stranou k sobe, tema listama napravo > a jump?ry tam das svisle :) bud oba nahoru neb dolu nebo jak se ti zlibi. je > to jak ve schematu. > > ---- > > > A v praxi se to zapoji jak??? misto dratku pro prepinac tam tedy dam ty > koliky z lamaci listy a ty jumpery pak prijou jak?? > a co mam dat na tu krabicku?? ;) ja tam uz mam vyvrtany diry... > > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Jan Hoidekr" > Komu (To): "Michal Mal??ek" , "Twibright Ronja" > > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] typ prepinace > Datum (Date): 6. 9. 2004 20:32 > ================================================== > > > jojo jumpery a lamaci lista, taky to mam > > pokud to budu davat na jinou linku, tak jsou dve moznosti 1) otebru > > krabicku a prepnu to, 2) prekonektoruju kabel, ktery jde do sitovky > > nebo jeste treti pripad, ze nebudu muset delat nic ;-) > > > > Honza > > > > Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > > :) proc by to nemelo fungovat? podle me to tam clock napsal z duvodu ze > > > zlato asi nekoroduje, ze? takze i podeseti letech to tam bude drzet > kontakt > > > a bude to min poruchove. proto je nejlepsi stejne ten jumper, lamaci > lista > > > zlaena je, jumper taky vetsinou tak co. > > > > > > Glo > > > > > > > > > > > >>ze skusenosti ti muzu rict, ze pozlaceny bejt nemusej, osobne sem tam > > >>mel ty na obrazku [mozna je ten obrazek trosku vetsi] a fungovalo to > > >>bezproblemu i kdyz pozlaceny nejsou [jestli chces slyset tohle]. > > >> > > >>http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/twister_bordel.jpg - link nejni > > >>100% pac je to muj komp. > > >> > > >>.. stejne sem pak dal ty switche .. asi kvuli tem diram do krabicky. :-) > > >> > > >>p0l0us > > >> > > >>Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > > >>>Od (From): "Martin Polehla" > > >>> > > >>>>Podle mne jsou ty prepinace celkem zbytecny [propojil sem to swichema > > >>>>ze staryho MB - jako asi spousta dalsich], protoze ronju zapojim do > > >>>>PC routeru jednou a nikam ji nosit nebudu. Lepci switche s > > >>>>autonegotation uz stejne poznaji jakej drat je Rx a jakej Tx a > > >>>>kdyztak si to prehodej [viz to hwAP co mam]. Pri nejhostim otevres > > >>>>krabicku a prehodis to ... Vetsi nebezpeci vidim v tom, ze twister > > >>>>bude lezet nekde, nekvalifikovana osoba do nej strci, prepne jeden > > >>>>ten cumici prepinac a twister bude v loopbacku. > > >>>> > > >>>>jo a nemusim vrtat diry do krabice :) > > >>>> > > >>>>p0l0us > > >>>> > > >>>>Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>Nevite nekdo prosim Vas jaky je presny oznaceni tech prepinacu u > > >>>> > > >>>>twistera? v gm na me koukali jak na debila, kdyz jsem tam precetl ten > > >>>>popis - prepinac 2 polohy .... zlaceny ... to zlaceny jim nejak > > >>>>nesedelo ;) nevedeli co ma bejt presne zlacenyho. > > >>>> > > >>>>>dik. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Ronja mailing list > > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Chce? za??t neuv??iteln? ?let se Snickers na Nov?m Z?landu? Tak si dej > Snickers a u?ij si 14 dn? nabit?ch energi?! Klikni a le?! > www.energiemusiven.cz > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76905 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Mon Sep 6 20:19:06 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 20:19:09 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20typ=20prepinace?= In-Reply-To: <413CDA99.1070804@katka.biz> Message-ID: <209279.58091-11085-58735272-1094498346@email.seznam.cz> tak ja tam asi dam ty switche ;) ale jeste k tomu twisterovi musim vymyslet nejaky tunning abych vedel co narvat do tech der, kde mely bejt puvodne prepinace. ;) ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Martin Polehla" Komu (To): "Damir ?poljari?" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] typ prepinace Datum (Date): 6. 9. 2004 23:46 ================================================== > proste tak: > > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/twister_top.jpg - link nejni 100% > pac je to muj komp, kdyz tak me kontaktujte ;) > > p0l0us > > Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > > A v praxi se to zapoji jak??? misto dratku pro prepinac tam tedy dam > > ty koliky z lamaci listy a ty jumpery pak prijou jak?? > > a co mam dat na tu krabicku?? ;) ja tam uz mam vyvrtany diry... > > > ____________________________________________________________ Kdy? s n?mi, tak naplno! NOKIA 2300 nebo SIEMENS A57 s nov?m Oskarov?m tarifem 300 naplno za 577 K?. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=77007 From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 6 20:27:19 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 20:27:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace Message-ID: <20040906192728Z1301902-19883+12980@mail.centrum.cz> dej si tam modre ledky :P..... pripoj je do libovolneho mista v twistrovi a mozna ti budou i blikat :)....(stejne ti bude nekde lezet v prachu pod PC a vzpomenes si na neho sotva pri uklidu :) (aspon u me to tak byva :))) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Damir ?poljari? > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > Datum: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:19:06 +0200 (CEST) > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] typ prepinace > > tak ja tam asi dam ty switche ;) ale jeste k tomu twisterovi musim vymyslet nejaky tunning abych vedel co narvat do tech der, kde mely bejt puvodne prepinace. ;) > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Martin Polehla" > Komu (To): "Damir ?poljari?" , "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] typ prepinace > Datum (Date): 6. 9. 2004 23:46 > ================================================== > > > proste tak: > > > > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/twister_top.jpg - link nejni 100% > > pac je to muj komp, kdyz tak me kontaktujte ;) > > > > p0l0us > > > > Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > > > > A v praxi se to zapoji jak??? misto dratku pro prepinac tam tedy dam > > > ty koliky z lamaci listy a ty jumpery pak prijou jak?? > > > a co mam dat na tu krabicku?? ;) ja tam uz mam vyvrtany diry... > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Kdy? s n?mi, tak naplno! NOKIA 2300 nebo SIEMENS A57 s nov?m Oskarov?m tarifem 300 naplno za 577 K?. > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=77007 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 6 20:33:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 20:33:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Guma In-Reply-To: <413CB042.5050107@sattnet.cz> References: <413CCE3B.3050604@katka.biz> <218780.4901100-10867-1026757116-1094493193@email.seznam.cz> <20040906183822.GB22599@beton.cybernet.src> <413CB042.5050107@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040906193347.GA22785@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 08:45:22PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Jakou zivotnost ma ta pryz? Cerna guma. Uz na ni radi pocasi dva tydny > a nepatrne to popraskalo. Nebo ji necim potrit - barvou, olejem? Ono to popraska brzo na zacatku a pak to vypada porad stejne. Cl< From Shamanu8 at web.de Mon Sep 6 20:43:01 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Mon Sep 6 20:44:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Twister LED's and Quarz Message-ID: <002201c49449$ee0dc5e0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Hello, about the Ronja Twister: 1.If i connect only the Power Supply, the yellow led should glow and the other two not, correct? I have built 2 Twisters, and on both the green led is also glowing... 2.The crystal oscillator should also be grounded or? On the plan it's not grounded, so first i haven't ground it and the red led was burning. (green not) After i connected it to ground, the green led is bruning but red not. confusing, there must be some error, or is this normal? Can someone say me which led status are in which case normal? (not conected/RJ-45 connected with hub) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040906/b6984ee6/attachment-0001.htm From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 6 20:53:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 20:54:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Twister LED's and Quarz In-Reply-To: <002201c49449$ee0dc5e0$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <002201c49449$ee0dc5e0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20040906195359.GB22924@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 09:43:01PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > Hello, > > about the Ronja Twister: > 1.If i connect only the Power Supply, the yellow led should glow and the other two not, correct? Yes. Did you build PCB one or airwire one? > I have built 2 Twisters, and on both the green led is also glowing... > > 2.The crystal oscillator should also be grounded or? What do you mean with "grounded"? You just stick the oscillator in place and solder all it's leads. > On the plan it's not grounded, so first i haven't ground it and the red led was burning. (green not) On which? Schematic? I think there is explicit lead pair market for the oscillator with one of the blocking capacitor pairs. Cl< > After i connected it to ground, the green led is bruning but red not. > > confusing, there must be some error, or is this normal? > > Can someone say me which led status are in which case normal? > (not conected/RJ-45 connected with hub) > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Shamanu8 at web.de Mon Sep 6 21:30:42 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Mon Sep 6 21:31:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Twister LED's and Quarz References: <002201c49449$ee0dc5e0$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20040906195359.GB22924@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004001c49450$64be63b0$0500a8c0@AIG1> It's the airwire version. Yes, on the Schematic (http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.png) the oscillator is only connected by VCC (pin4) and OUT (pin3). But the GND from the oscillator should also be connected or? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Twister LED's and Quarz > On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 09:43:01PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > Hello, > > > > about the Ronja Twister: > > 1.If i connect only the Power Supply, the yellow led should glow and the other two not, correct? > > Yes. Did you build PCB one or airwire one? > > > I have built 2 Twisters, and on both the green led is also glowing... > > > > 2.The crystal oscillator should also be grounded or? > > What do you mean with "grounded"? You just stick the oscillator in place > and solder all it's leads. > > > On the plan it's not grounded, so first i haven't ground it and the red led was burning. (green not) > > On which? Schematic? I think there is explicit lead pair market for the > oscillator with one of the blocking capacitor pairs. > > Cl< > > After i connected it to ground, the green led is bruning but red not. > > > > confusing, there must be some error, or is this normal? > > > > Can someone say me which led status are in which case normal? > > (not conected/RJ-45 connected with hub) > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 6 21:58:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 21:58:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Twister LED's and Quarz In-Reply-To: <004001c49450$64be63b0$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <002201c49449$ee0dc5e0$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20040906195359.GB22924@beton.cybernet.src> <004001c49450$64be63b0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20040906205819.GB23295@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:30:42PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > It's the airwire version. Your problem is probably caused by bad circuit topology somewhere. > > Yes, on the Schematic (http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.png) > the oscillator is only connected by VCC (pin4) and OUT (pin3). > > But the GND from the oscillator should also be connected or? Yes. I'll fix it in the schematic. Thanks. Cl< > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Twister LED's and Quarz > > > > On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 09:43:01PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > about the Ronja Twister: > > > 1.If i connect only the Power Supply, the yellow led should glow and the > other two not, correct? > > > > Yes. Did you build PCB one or airwire one? > > > > > I have built 2 Twisters, and on both the green led is also glowing... > > > > > > 2.The crystal oscillator should also be grounded or? > > > > What do you mean with "grounded"? You just stick the oscillator in place > > and solder all it's leads. > > > > > On the plan it's not grounded, so first i haven't ground it and the red > led was burning. (green not) > > > > On which? Schematic? I think there is explicit lead pair market for the > > oscillator with one of the blocking capacitor pairs. > > > > Cl< > > > After i connected it to ground, the green led is bruning but red not. > > > > > > confusing, there must be some error, or is this normal? > > > > > > Can someone say me which led status are in which case normal? > > > (not conected/RJ-45 connected with hub) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Sep 6 22:10:50 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Sep 6 22:11:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] typ prepinace In-Reply-To: <413CD260.1060601@katka.biz> References: <218780.4901100-10867-1026757116-1094493193@email.seznam.cz> <413CD260.1060601@katka.biz> Message-ID: <413CD25A.5020100@sattnet.cz> Prave jsem zprovoznil linku na 1150m a jdu spat. Pak budou dalsi podrobnosti. Huraaaaaaaaa :-D -- Regards, David Sedl??ek From santiago at mail.cz Tue Sep 7 00:31:50 2004 From: santiago at mail.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Sep 7 00:31:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Podivnost P104 Rx In-Reply-To: <20040905114817.GA19104@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040906233150.GA32576@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 11:48:17AM +0000, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 02:32:28PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > Dneska sem si hral s P104 a ladenim. Dosel sem k vysledku, ze nejlepsi > > dosah na zemi ma Rx pri P104=4.09V [RSSI 110-120mV]. Pokud jsem mic > > nezmenil [ani sem nepohnul Rx], jenom hodnotu P104 na 6V, RSSI kleslo > > cca o 40mV. Kdyz jsem hodnotu nastavil na 7V, RSSI kleslo na 65mV. > > Vzdalenost s 0%PL se pak snizila o cca 30-40cm. Odpojeni C153 se nijak > > pozorovatelne neprojevilo. Kdyz naopak snizim P104 pod 4V, RSSI klesa. > > Prepsal jsem to z 6-7V na 5-6V. Prepsal bych to na min, jenze je riziko, > ze to nekdo nastavi bez privodnich kabelu a pak to da na strechu a na > privodnich kabelech vznikne ubytek napeti, tak by to kleslo pod 4V. Docela by me zajimalo, jak se k tem meznim hodnotam P104 tedy prislo - byly nejak spocitane, nebo jsi je jen tak odhadl? Pokud neni jasna optimalni hodnota a ani to, v jakem je intervalu (vzhledem k tomu, ze se ten interval zmenil z 6-7 V na 5-6 V), tak by mozna bylo lepsi, kdyby tam byla zminka, ze se ten R106 ma vyladit na nejlepsi dosah a nikoliv podle P104. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From polous at katka.biz Tue Sep 7 07:40:46 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Sep 7 04:37:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide In-Reply-To: <20040906060857.GA17524@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> <413B8C7D.50808@katka.biz> <20040906060857.GA17524@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <413D57EE.9080708@katka.biz> Upravil jsem skript, uz to jde na fat32 zkopirovat. Az na soubor COPYING.php.html, ktery koliduje s copying.php.html. To by az tak nevadilo, pokud netrvas na tom, aby to fungoval kompletne. Ale je tu jeste jeden hacek a to sice zavaznejsi - nektere odkazy misto na lokalni disk smeruji na ronja site. Napriklad odkaz na galerii smeruje na images.twibright.com [overit si to muzes na: http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/_mirrors/ronja.twibright.com/main.php.html - to je to fat32]. Takovych odkazu je tam povicero. Nevim, jestli se mela stahnout kompletni galerie, ale pokud jo, nestahnula se mi napr. stranka images.twibright.com/tns/11.html. To ani bez upravenych parametru wget. Pouzivam skript download_ronja_guide_tour. Stahlo se mi 244mb, s upravenym parametrem wgetu 230mb. Skusim to pustit jeste jednou... p0l0us Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:00:29PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > >>Stahnul sem si guide kompletne pomoci skriptu, funguje to v poradku, >>bezvadne. Ale problem nastal kdyz jsem se pokusil nakopirovat vse na >>partition FAT32 [Typ datove partition je dany moji obcasnou migraci na >>w2k/xp]. Konkretne se fat32 nelibi znaky "->", tedy spise jen >, ktery >>bych rek, ze FAT32 neovlada [skuste nekdo napsat na support M$ :-D]. To >>muze komplikovat pouziti cygwin nebo podobneho emulatoru, osobne sem to >>zatim nezkousel. >> >> > >Zkus tem wgetum v tom skriptu dat --restrict-file-names=windows a kdyz >to bude fungovat, tak to tam dam. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From polous at katka.biz Tue Sep 7 07:50:58 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Sep 7 04:47:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide In-Reply-To: <413D57EE.9080708@katka.biz> References: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> <413B8C7D.50808@katka.biz> <20040906060857.GA17524@beton.cybernet.src> <413D57EE.9080708@katka.biz> Message-ID: <413D5A52.10200@katka.biz> jeste sem si tedka povsiml hlaseni wgetu: Loading robots.txt; please ignore errors. --05:47:20-- http://ronja.twibright.com/robots.txt => `ronja.twibright.com/robots.txt' Connecting to ronja.twibright.com[81.0.239.25]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 05:47:20 ERROR 404: Not Found. p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 7 07:19:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 7 07:19:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide In-Reply-To: <413D57EE.9080708@katka.biz> References: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> <413B8C7D.50808@katka.biz> <20040906060857.GA17524@beton.cybernet.src> <413D57EE.9080708@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040907061920.GC408@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 05:40:46AM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Upravil jsem skript, uz to jde na fat32 zkopirovat. Az na soubor > COPYING.php.html, ktery koliduje s copying.php.html. To by az tak > nevadilo, pokud netrvas na tom, aby to fungoval kompletne. > > Ale je tu jeste jeden hacek a to sice zavaznejsi - nektere odkazy misto > na lokalni disk smeruji na ronja site. Napriklad odkaz na galerii > smeruje na images.twibright.com [overit si to muzes na: > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/_mirrors/ronja.twibright.com/main.php.html > - to je to fat32]. Takovych odkazu je tam povicero. Nevim, jestli se > mela stahnout kompletni galerie, ale pokud jo, nestahnula se mi napr. Ne, nemela, protoze ma pres giga. Cl< > stranka images.twibright.com/tns/11.html. To ani bez upravenych > parametru wget. Pouzivam skript download_ronja_guide_tour. Stahlo se mi > 244mb, s upravenym parametrem wgetu 230mb. > > Skusim to pustit jeste jednou... > p0l0us > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > >On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:00:29PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > > > > >>Stahnul sem si guide kompletne pomoci skriptu, funguje to v poradku, > >>bezvadne. Ale problem nastal kdyz jsem se pokusil nakopirovat vse na > >>partition FAT32 [Typ datove partition je dany moji obcasnou migraci na > >>w2k/xp]. Konkretne se fat32 nelibi znaky "->", tedy spise jen >, ktery > >>bych rek, ze FAT32 neovlada [skuste nekdo napsat na support M$ :-D]. To > >>muze komplikovat pouziti cygwin nebo podobneho emulatoru, osobne sem to > >>zatim nezkousel. > >> > >> > > > >Zkus tem wgetum v tom skriptu dat --restrict-file-names=windows a kdyz > >to bude fungovat, tak to tam dam. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 7 07:19:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 7 07:19:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide In-Reply-To: <413D5A52.10200@katka.biz> References: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> <413B8C7D.50808@katka.biz> <20040906060857.GA17524@beton.cybernet.src> <413D57EE.9080708@katka.biz> <413D5A52.10200@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040907061953.GE408@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 05:50:58AM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > jeste sem si tedka povsiml hlaseni wgetu: > > Loading robots.txt; please ignore errors. > --05:47:20-- http://ronja.twibright.com/robots.txt > => `ronja.twibright.com/robots.txt' > Connecting to ronja.twibright.com[81.0.239.25]:80... connected. > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found > 05:47:20 ERROR 404: Not Found. To je v poradku. Cl< > > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 7 07:26:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 7 07:27:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Podivnost P104 Rx In-Reply-To: <20040906233150.GA32576@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040905114817.GA19104@beton.cybernet.src> <20040906233150.GA32576@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040907062658.GG408@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 01:31:50AM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 11:48:17AM +0000, Karel Kulhav wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 02:32:28PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > > Ahoj, > > > > > > Dneska sem si hral s P104 a ladenim. Dosel sem k vysledku, ze nejlepsi > > > dosah na zemi ma Rx pri P104=4.09V [RSSI 110-120mV]. Pokud jsem mic > > > nezmenil [ani sem nepohnul Rx], jenom hodnotu P104 na 6V, RSSI kleslo > > > cca o 40mV. Kdyz jsem hodnotu nastavil na 7V, RSSI kleslo na 65mV. > > > Vzdalenost s 0%PL se pak snizila o cca 30-40cm. Odpojeni C153 se nijak > > > pozorovatelne neprojevilo. Kdyz naopak snizim P104 pod 4V, RSSI klesa. > > > > Prepsal jsem to z 6-7V na 5-6V. Prepsal bych to na min, jenze je riziko, > > ze to nekdo nastavi bez privodnich kabelu a pak to da na strechu a na > > privodnich kabelech vznikne ubytek napeti, tak by to kleslo pod 4V. > > Docela by me zajimalo, jak se k tem meznim hodnotam P104 tedy prislo - byly > nejak spocitane, nebo jsi je jen tak odhadl? Pokud neni jasna optimalni No neco napul cesty mezi tim. Cl< > hodnota a ani to, v jakem je intervalu (vzhledem k tomu, ze se ten interval > zmenil z 6-7 V na 5-6 V), tak by mozna bylo lepsi, kdyby tam byla zminka, ze > se ten R106 ma vyladit na nejlepsi dosah a nikoliv podle P104. > > -- > Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > > Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) > OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) > "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 7 09:05:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 7 09:05:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja, Question and permission to use the image. In-Reply-To: <20040907072415.GA2312@deineira> References: <20040907040320.GA1797@deineira> <20040907062311.GF408@beton.cybernet.src> <20040907072415.GA2312@deineira> Message-ID: <20040907080527.GB1274@beton.cybernet.src> > I read the success stories on your web sites, but what i need to > ask is, what is the negative values of your technologies and > material, are they susceptible to weather, like rain or storm, > interference to another ronja devices or else ? They are susceptible to fog, see specifications, the range is specified for 4km visibility and is lower for worse conditions, there are graphs supplied that define the range exactly under various visibility conditions. > > The point is, what ronja good for or not for. For community networks it's definitely good. Cl< From polous at katka.biz Tue Sep 7 12:24:09 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Sep 7 09:21:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Downloading Ronja Guide In-Reply-To: <20040907061920.GC408@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040903213940.GA22682@beton.cybernet.src> <413B8C7D.50808@katka.biz> <20040906060857.GA17524@beton.cybernet.src> <413D57EE.9080708@katka.biz> <20040907061920.GC408@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <413D9A59.6070905@katka.biz> podle ceho se to teda stahuje, jen to co jsi vybral rucne, nebo nejak systematicky automaticky ? ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/legal.php.html - druhej obrazek, nema zvetseninu to je taky spravne ? ronja.twibright.com/fundamentals.php.html - zvetseni pajeciho ocka ronja.twibright.com/receiver/building_cz.php.html - zvetseni postavenych modulu, ty maly obrazky jsou k hownu, spis tou to takovy ikonky. naopak sem koukal, ze obrazky instalaci vcetne tech problemovych s "->" se stahli... Co vse ma byt stazeno ? chtel bych definitivne overit spravnou funkcnost toho skriptu ... asi mi unika ten shistem.... p0l0us From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Sep 7 17:40:45 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Sep 7 17:41:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek Message-ID: <20040907164048Z1304680-19881+49500@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:41:10 +0000 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > > [13:28] navod jsem dodrzoval presne i poradi pajeni > soucastek. i kdyz je to teda trochu posahany. Melo by to byt takto : odpory, > IC, diody, kondiky .... ale to je vesmes jedno. Hlavne kdyz je na plosnaku > vsechno > [13:37] Proc by to melo bejt v tom poradi co rikas? > [13:37] protoze podle standartu se to vzdycky tak paji > ... > [13:37] Podle jakyho standardu? > [13:38] meho > [13:38] Aha > [13:38] Tak to menit nebudu > [13:38] ne, ale vzdycky se to vsude pise, ze se zacina > odporama ... > [13:38] zeptej se koho chces (teda kdo tomu alespon > trochu rozumi) > > Nevite prosimvas nekdo o nejakem standardu poradi pajeni soucastek? Jestli > nejaky existuje, ze bych to podle nej pripadne udelal. > > Cl< > jako ten soucastkam (gor takovym co sou na twistru = zadne estra drahe, specialni) je to uuuplne ganz durch jedno. stejne jako desce. proste se paji tak jak se ti fajne.tj. vetsinou od malych po velke (ze odpory prvni je diskutovatelne, bo co kdyz ma ten odpor... 20W ztratovy vykon? bude ti tam akorat prekazet....to nastesti na twistru meni :)) ja osobne sem jako posledni zapajel IO (nepocitam konektory atp. ).....ne, vlastne elektrolyty :) > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Tue Sep 7 17:51:44 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Tue Sep 7 17:51:47 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Poradi=20pajeni=20soucastek?= In-Reply-To: <20040907164048Z1304680-19881+49500@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <240249.5437716-15959-124764965-1094575902@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Jakub Michn?k" Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek Datum (Date): 7. 9. 2004 18:40 ================================================== > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Karel Kulhav? > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:41:10 +0000 > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > > > > [13:28] navod jsem dodrzoval presne i poradi pajeni > > soucastek. i kdyz je to teda trochu posahany. Melo by to byt takto : odpory, > > IC, diody, kondiky .... ale to je vesmes jedno. Hlavne kdyz je na plosnaku > > vsechno > > [13:37] Proc by to melo bejt v tom poradi co rikas? > > [13:37] protoze podle standartu se to vzdycky tak paji > > ... > > [13:37] Podle jakyho standardu? > > [13:38] meho > > [13:38] Aha > > [13:38] Tak to menit nebudu > > [13:38] ne, ale vzdycky se to vsude pise, ze se zacina > > odporama ... > > [13:38] zeptej se koho chces (teda kdo tomu alespon > > trochu rozumi) > > > > Nevite prosimvas nekdo o nejakem standardu poradi pajeni soucastek? Jestli > > nejaky existuje, ze bych to podle nej pripadne udelal. > > > > Cl< > > > > jako ten soucastkam (gor takovym co sou na twistru = zadne estra drahe, specialni) je to uuuplne ganz durch jedno. stejne jako desce. proste se paji tak jak se ti fajne.tj. vetsinou od malych po velke (ze odpory prvni je diskutovatelne, bo co kdyz ma ten odpor... 20W ztratovy vykon? bude ti tam akorat prekazet....to nastesti na twistru meni :)) > > ja osobne sem jako posledni zapajel IO (nepocitam konektory atp. ).....ne, vlastne elektrolyty :) > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -------------------- > STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Ale ono to je uzpusobeny prave na twister, aby se dobre a pohodle osazovaly soucastky ... ____________________________________________________________ Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Tue Sep 7 18:49:34 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Tue Sep 7 18:49:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nastaveni linuxu Message-ID: <20040907174754.M42250@kihu.info> Ahoj. Mam twistera a chci ho otestovat, ale prikazy z testing ronja Tetrapolis mi nefungujou (zejmena nastaveni full duplexu, mam debiana 3.0r1) poradite? ROOTen From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Sep 7 19:09:18 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Sep 7 19:09:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek Message-ID: <20040907180921Z1307451-19881+51391@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Damir ?poljari? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:51:44 +0200 (CEST) > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Jakub Michn?k" > Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > Datum (Date): 7. 9. 2004 18:40 > ================================================== > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: Karel Kulhav? > > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > > Datum: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:41:10 +0000 > > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Poradi pajeni soucastek > > > > > > [13:28] navod jsem dodrzoval presne i poradi pajeni > > > soucastek. i kdyz je to teda trochu posahany. Melo by to byt takto : odpory, > > > IC, diody, kondiky .... ale to je vesmes jedno. Hlavne kdyz je na plosnaku > > > vsechno > > > [13:37] Proc by to melo bejt v tom poradi co rikas? > > > [13:37] protoze podle standartu se to vzdycky tak paji > > > ... > > > [13:37] Podle jakyho standardu? > > > [13:38] meho > > > [13:38] Aha > > > [13:38] Tak to menit nebudu > > > [13:38] ne, ale vzdycky se to vsude pise, ze se zacina > > > odporama ... > > > [13:38] zeptej se koho chces (teda kdo tomu alespon > > > trochu rozumi) > > > > > > Nevite prosimvas nekdo o nejakem standardu poradi pajeni soucastek? Jestli > > > nejaky existuje, ze bych to podle nej pripadne udelal. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > jako ten soucastkam (gor takovym co sou na twistru = zadne estra drahe, specialni) je to uuuplne ganz durch jedno. stejne jako desce. proste se paji tak jak se ti fajne.tj. vetsinou od malych po velke (ze odpory prvni je diskutovatelne, bo co kdyz ma ten odpor... 20W ztratovy vykon? bude ti tam akorat prekazet....to nastesti na twistru meni :)) > > > > ja osobne sem jako posledni zapajel IO (nepocitam konektory atp. ).....ne, vlastne elektrolyty :) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > -------------------- > > STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > Ale ono to je uzpusobeny prave na twister, aby se dobre a pohodle osazovaly soucastky ... OK, takze na twistr muj postup (a pochopitelne ten nejlepsi ;) ) odpory, kondiky krome elytu a C87,IO,D55,civka,konektory (myslim listy, ne BNC a pod, ze)stabos, LED,kably a to je asi vsechno..... jeste dodavam, ze kdyz sem pajel C,tak sem si desku podlozil na podlozku (v rozich,pasltelina) nastrkal sem je tam zapajel dycky 1 pad z hora aby po otoceni nevypadly, otocil a zapajel z druhe strany (tak u vsech soucastek ktere mely sklony s sabotazi vypadnutim :)... > > ____________________________________________________________ > Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Sep 7 19:16:43 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Sep 7 19:17:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak dat ledku do ohniska? Message-ID: <20040907181644Z1302473-19883+51818@mail.centrum.cz> jak poznam ze mam ledku v ohnisku cocky? (v trubce?) asi podle toho, ze paprsky jdou z cocky rovnobezne ze? ale jak poznam ze dou rovnobezne? (zebych mel nastavit co nejmensi kolecko treba na zed? neni to blizko) steluje se to az na strese nebo este pred zamerovanim? dik -------------------- STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Tue Sep 7 19:21:01 2004 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Tue Sep 7 19:21:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nastaveni linuxu In-Reply-To: <20040907174754.M42250@kihu.info> References: <20040907174754.M42250@kihu.info> Message-ID: <413DFC0D.3030300@tiscali.cz> petr.dvorak wrote: > Ahoj. > Mam twistera a chci ho otestovat, ale prikazy z testing ronja Tetrapolis mi > nefungujou (zejmena nastaveni full duplexu, mam debiana 3.0r1) poradite? Pomohlo by kdybys uvedl co ti to pise u ktereho prikazu. Martin From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Sep 7 19:31:34 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Sep 7 19:32:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] napajeni topeni Message-ID: <20040907183149Z1302435-19882+51626@mail.centrum.cz> muzu napajet topeni cocek primo z Tx (Rx) ? proste jesi to muzu tahnout po tech koaxech,nebo jesi musim mit na to spesl zdroj... -------------------- STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 7 19:57:12 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 7 19:57:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] napajeni topeni In-Reply-To: <20040907183149Z1302435-19882+51626@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040907183149Z1302435-19882+51626@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040907185712.GA2745@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 08:31:34PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > muzu napajet topeni cocek primo z Tx (Rx) ? proste jesi to muzu tahnout po > tech koaxech,nebo jesi musim mit na to spesl zdroj... Ne. Cl< From korda.m at seznam.cz Tue Sep 7 20:24:10 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Tue Sep 7 20:23:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] napajeni topeni References: <20040907183149Z1302435-19882+51626@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001f01c49510$407fa8e0$02086b0a@atintel> Jestli ty koaxi nemas nemas moc dlouhy tak jo, jinak by tam mohl byt velkej ubytek napeti.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k " To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: [Ronja] napajeni topeni muzu napajet topeni cocek primo z Tx (Rx) ? proste jesi to muzu tahnout po tech koaxech,nebo jesi musim mit na to spesl zdroj... -------------------- STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Sep 7 20:55:44 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Sep 7 20:56:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] napajeni topeni Message-ID: <20040907195555Z1301917-19865+53695@mail.centrum.cz> a je koax dlouhy kdyz ma 18m jeden? :)....ze neni....ze ne!.....rekni ze ne!!! :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Milan Korda" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:24:10 -0700 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] napajeni topeni > > Jestli ty koaxi nemas nemas moc dlouhy tak jo, jinak by tam mohl byt velkej > ubytek napeti.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Michn?k " > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:31 AM > Subject: [Ronja] napajeni topeni > > > muzu napajet topeni cocek primo z Tx (Rx) ? proste jesi to muzu tahnout po > tech koaxech,nebo jesi musim mit na to spesl zdroj... > > -------------------- > STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm From korda.m at seznam.cz Tue Sep 7 21:44:27 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Tue Sep 7 21:44:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] napajeni topeni References: <20040907195555Z1301917-19865+53695@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000501c4951b$7855a1b0$02086b0a@atintel> Je moc dlouhy :) Te jedna dvojlinka navic nezabije :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k " To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] napajeni topeni a je koax dlouhy kdyz ma 18m jeden? :)....ze neni....ze ne!.....rekni ze ne!!! :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Milan Korda" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:24:10 -0700 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] napajeni topeni > > Jestli ty koaxi nemas nemas moc dlouhy tak jo, jinak by tam mohl byt > velkej > ubytek napeti.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Michn?k " > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:31 AM > Subject: [Ronja] napajeni topeni > > > muzu napajet topeni cocek primo z Tx (Rx) ? proste jesi to muzu tahnout po > tech koaxech,nebo jesi musim mit na to spesl zdroj... > > -------------------- > STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From andy at intercomp.info Wed Sep 8 01:51:48 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Wed Sep 8 01:41:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Network card to IR communication Message-ID: <1081.195.205.177.211.1094604708.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Hey, I found some project in network through about IR communication. Tell me, Can it be so simple ? Please look at this.... http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/pc/023/index.html From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 8 07:10:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 8 07:10:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak dat ledku do ohniska? In-Reply-To: <20040907181644Z1302473-19883+51818@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040907181644Z1302473-19883+51818@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040908061041.GA540@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 08:16:43PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > jak poznam ze mam ledku v ohnisku cocky? (v trubce?) asi podle toho, ze > paprsky jdou z cocky rovnobezne ze? ale jak poznam ze dou rovnobezne? (zebych > mel nastavit co nejmensi kolecko treba na zed? neni to blizko) steluje se to > az na strese nebo este pred zamerovanim? dik Presne se to popisuje v kapitole o zamerovani Metropolis nebo Tetrapolis. Cl< From kuna at alphanet.sk Wed Sep 8 10:16:12 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Wed Sep 8 09:24:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro 3 com Message-ID: <001701c49584$7de81540$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> predam pci 3Com 3C590,3C900combo odskusane naronji po 300korun slovenskych ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040908/49ce9426/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 8 10:50:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 8 10:50:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: dotaz In-Reply-To: <005001c49586$c7766d40$1e01a8c0@mikescomp.cz> References: <001901c48892$e4fcec00$1e01a8c0@mikescomp.cz> <20040822222124.GC16832@beton.cybernet.src> <003201c488d8$77107fe0$1e01a8c0@mikescomp.cz> <20040823070656.GA8861@beton.cybernet.src> <006901c488e1$c489c980$1e01a8c0@mikescomp.cz> <20040823075401.GB12679@beton.cybernet.src> <008e01c488fa$cfbeb540$1e01a8c0@mikescomp.cz> <20040823104626.GA16097@beton.cybernet.src> <005001c49586$c7766d40$1e01a8c0@mikescomp.cz> Message-ID: <20040908095040.GD18574@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 11:32:37AM +0200, Michal Najman wrote: > dobry den, > jakou barvou ma byt zevnitr natrena roura? a na co je a kde se dava telepny > stit? Cernou, je na ochranu pred teplenymi ucinky zaostreneho slunicka, dava se na RX a TX. A vsechno je to popsane v navodu na http://ronja.twibright.com Cl< > DIky > Michal Najman From kuna at alphanet.sk Wed Sep 8 11:59:37 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Wed Sep 8 11:08:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro zaloha na ronju Message-ID: <001701c49592$efe8ed00$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> za posledny mesiac som mal neustale problem ronjou preto,lebo posledny mesiac na orave su neustale hmly kazde rano som mal vypadok min 2 az 3 hodiny.tento problem som jednoducho vyriesil zalohou na 2.4gh a to tak ze,som spojil na jednej strane ronju a 2.4gh do svicu na druhej strane som urobil to iste .z ronjie rssi som napojil na oz ktory automaticky zopne radia na zaklade poklesu rssi na ronji .na oz vstupnu sa da nadstavit citlivost od 0 mv az po 200-300mv.bezi mi to uz 5 dni bez vypadkov aj v hmle. ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040908/d55bde42/attachment.htm From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Sep 8 12:17:55 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Sep 8 12:18:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro zaloha na ronju References: <001701c49592$efe8ed00$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <001c01c49595$7d673cc0$0103450a@thechosen> proc to delat slozite kdzy to jde jednoduse :) ikdyz to tvoje ma nespornou vyhodu ze wifi jede jen kdyz musi. nevyhoda je potreb aswitch, pak to ze to pojede jen half duplex jestli nemas managovatelnej switch a dalsi kterou popisu dolejc, ta je nejzavaznejsi. ja to resil takto tenhle script do cronu spoustet co 5 minut #! /bin/bash ########################################################### #automaticly switch to wifi if ronja will be dead :) ########################################################### two=10.69.111.1 ping $two -f -c 100 -A | grep "loss" | awk '{ if ($4 < 75) { system("/root/switch-to-wifi"); } else { system("/root/switch-to-ronja"); }; }' ten pokud je packet loss mensi nez 25% coz uz je kriticke spusti script switch-to-ronja, pokud je horsi nez 25 tak switch-to-wifi. v techto scriptech se preroutuje pres jinej device. samozrejme musi to bezet na obou stranach. ted uz vse resime pres quaggu ael tohle ma velikou vyhodu, je to jednoduche a da se nastavit hranice packet lostu takze to prepne jeste nez linka padne a to hlavne na obou stranach najednou coz tvoje vec nedokaze. pokud ti tam nekdo hne TX tak ti jedna strana prepne druha ne a mas stejne kolove a ne spoj. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: miro To: Twibright Ronja Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:59 PM Subject: [Ronja] miro zaloha na ronju za posledny mesiac som mal neustale problem ronjou preto,lebo posledny mesiac na orave su neustale hmly kazde rano som mal vypadok min 2 az 3 hodiny.tento problem som jednoducho vyriesil zalohou na 2.4gh a to tak ze,som spojil na jednej strane ronju a 2.4gh do svicu na druhej strane som urobil to iste .z ronjie rssi som napojil na oz ktory automaticky zopne radia na zaklade poklesu rssi na ronji .na oz vstupnu sa da nadstavit citlivost od 0 mv az po 200-300mv.bezi mi to uz 5 dni bez vypadkov aj v hmle. _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Wed Sep 8 14:44:04 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Wed Sep 8 14:44:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka nestineneho kabelu. Message-ID: <257095.5093590-7273-1154559519-1094651044@email.seznam.cz> Zdravim, Jak muze byt od dlouhy nestineny kabel u twistera ke konektoru (ja tam mam konektory - f konektory). ty konektory jsou normalne na krabicce a zajima me jestli to mam z plosnaku k tem konektorum (cca 5cm kabelu) tahnout normalni dvoulinkou (treba z utp) nebo jestli i na tech par centimetru musi bejt kabel stinenej. diky D. ____________________________________________________________ Kdy? s n?mi, tak naplno! NOKIA 2300 nebo SIEMENS A57 s nov?m Oskarov?m tarifem 300 naplno za 577 K?. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=77007 From korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Sep 8 14:59:04 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Sep 8 14:58:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka nestineneho kabelu. References: <257095.5093590-7273-1154559519-1094651044@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <002f01c495ac$01769a40$02086b0a@atintel> Staci nestineny kabel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damir ?poljari?" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:44 AM Subject: [Ronja] Delka nestineneho kabelu. Zdravim, Jak muze byt od dlouhy nestineny kabel u twistera ke konektoru (ja tam mam konektory - f konektory). ty konektory jsou normalne na krabicce a zajima me jestli to mam z plosnaku k tem konektorum (cca 5cm kabelu) tahnout normalni dvoulinkou (treba z utp) nebo jestli i na tech par centimetru musi bejt kabel stinenej. diky D. ____________________________________________________________ Kdy? s n?mi, tak naplno! NOKIA 2300 nebo SIEMENS A57 s nov?m Oskarov?m tarifem 300 naplno za 577 K?. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=77007 _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kuna at alphanet.sk Wed Sep 8 16:44:29 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Wed Sep 8 15:52:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro ronja zaloha Message-ID: <001c01c495ba$bb87a060$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> ako si si dobre vsimol nesporna vyhoda mojho zapojenia je v tom,ze radia mi nezasieraju 2,4gh pasmo,lebo su funkcne len vtedy,ked nejde ronja.mne to bezi na jednej sitovke aj ronja aj radia a co sa tyka switchov ,to je investicia cca 1600sk .Nakolko v pocitaci nemam uz volny ziaden slot je to pre mna to najlepsie riesenie,ako kupovat nove PC.ak mi nahodou ako si uviedol zlyha na len jednej strane tx alebo rx to mas pravdu ze je to v........ lenze ja som nepostavil ronju preto aby mi fungovala jeden , albo dva dni .Stoho vypliva,ze v mojom pripade je to najednoduchsie risenie a vyuzil som len switche, ktore tam uz mam. ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040908/49e14196/attachment.htm From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Sep 8 16:14:56 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Sep 8 16:15:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro ronja zaloha References: <001c01c495ba$bb87a060$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <001101c495b6$9a571000$0103450a@thechosen> vsak ok :) ja jen ze je jest ejeden zpusob. ja take nestavim ronju na jeden den, jenze sem si rekl co kdyz tu nebudu a zdechne nejakeou zahadou jedna roura ze .. :) Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: miro To: Twibright Ronja Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:44 PM Subject: [Ronja] miro ronja zaloha ako si si dobre vsimol nesporna vyhoda mojho zapojenia je v tom,ze radia mi nezasieraju 2,4gh pasmo,lebo su funkcne len vtedy,ked nejde ronja.mne to bezi na jednej sitovke aj ronja aj radia a co sa tyka switchov ,to je investicia cca 1600sk .Nakolko v pocitaci nemam uz volny ziaden slot je to pre mna to najlepsie riesenie,ako kupovat nove PC.ak mi nahodou ako si uviedol zlyha na len jednej strane tx alebo rx to mas pravdu ze je to v........ lenze ja som nepostavil ronju preto aby mi fungovala jeden , albo dva dni .Stoho vypliva,ze v mojom pripade je to najednoduchsie risenie a vyuzil som len switche, ktore tam uz mam. _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Sep 8 18:41:29 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Sep 8 18:42:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak dat ledku do ohniska? Message-ID: <20040908174135Z1300566-19882+81641@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:10:41 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] jak dat ledku do ohniska? > > On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 08:16:43PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > jak poznam ze mam ledku v ohnisku cocky? (v trubce?) asi podle toho, ze > > paprsky jdou z cocky rovnobezne ze? ale jak poznam ze dou rovnobezne? (zebych > > mel nastavit co nejmensi kolecko treba na zed? neni to blizko) steluje se to > > az na strese nebo este pred zamerovanim? dik > > Presne se to popisuje v kapitole o zamerovani Metropolis nebo Tetrapolis. > mohl bys mi dat presny odkaz? neco takoveho sem uz nekoliktat hledal a nic sem nenasel ( anglicky umin .... prd..:/ ) > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 9 06:45:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Sep 9 06:45:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak dat ledku do ohniska? In-Reply-To: <20040908174135Z1300566-19882+81641@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040908174135Z1300566-19882+81641@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040909054501.GC258@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 07:41:29PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Karel Kulhav? > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:10:41 +0000 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] jak dat ledku do ohniska? > > > > On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 08:16:43PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > > jak poznam ze mam ledku v ohnisku cocky? (v trubce?) asi podle toho, ze > > > paprsky jdou z cocky rovnobezne ze? ale jak poznam ze dou rovnobezne? (zebych > > > mel nastavit co nejmensi kolecko treba na zed? neni to blizko) steluje se to > > > az na strese nebo este pred zamerovanim? dik > > > > Presne se to popisuje v kapitole o zamerovani Metropolis nebo Tetrapolis. > > > > mohl bys mi dat presny odkaz? neco takoveho sem uz nekoliktat hledal a nic sem nenasel ( anglicky umin .... prd..:/ ) http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/installing.php hledej "Focusing magic". Cl< From phanumas at ratree.psu.ac.th Thu Sep 9 10:34:35 2004 From: phanumas at ratree.psu.ac.th (phanumas@ratree.psu.ac.th) Date: Thu Sep 9 10:34:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sunlight interference? Message-ID: <1094722475.414023abc2115@montha.psu.ac.th> Hello all, Does sunlight seriously interfer Ronja FSO transceiver at all? We here have quite strong sunlight over a long period of time everyday. Should that significantly degrade the performance of the system? Any designs or considerations to reduce such effect. Regards, Ton ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This mail sent through IMP: https://montha.psu.ac.th/horde/imp/login.php From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 9 11:06:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Sep 9 11:07:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sunlight interference? In-Reply-To: <1094722475.414023abc2115@montha.psu.ac.th> References: <1094722475.414023abc2115@montha.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20040909100632.GD4253@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 04:34:35PM +0700, phanumas@ratree.psu.ac.th wrote: > Hello all, > > Does sunlight seriously interfer Ronja FSO transceiver at all? > > We here have quite strong sunlight over a long period of time everyday. Should > that significantly degrade the performance of the system? Any designs or > considerations to reduce such effect. It matters only when sun is close to optical axis. As the links are typically horizontal, this occurs only in sunset or sunrise and only in that year times when sun rises or sets near the azimuth of the link. High noon sun doesn't matter at all. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 9 11:16:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Sep 9 11:17:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: cervena LEDka In-Reply-To: <20040908223933Z1303394-19881+87857@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040908223933Z1303394-19881+87857@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040909101655.GH4253@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:39:20AM +0200, milos.83@centrum.cz wrote: > Zdravim, > > chtel bych se optat co presne znamena cervena LED dioda v twistrovi a kde hledat chybu, kdyz pri prenosu dat poblikava (docela jasne) - takrka shodne se zelenou LEDkou, ktera by tedy mela znacit prenos dat. Dalsi anomalii co mi prijde je ze dosahnu pri nejlepsim RSSI cca 4V (na koberci) docela male prenosove rychlosti (nevim ted presne ... muzu to zjistit) - kolik je tak normal ? > > Cele zapojeni je dle navodu. > Vsechny 4 moduly (Tx, Rx) jsou staveny do hnizda (jedina odlisnost je ze krabicky nejsou z plechu ale vyrobene z kuprexitu (lepe se na nej paji) > Twister je osazen na objednavanych plosnych spojich (tez je umisten do krabicky vyrobene z kuprexitu - jedina odlisnost od navodu je delsi UTP kabel nez 1m asi cca 2m). > Co se tyce Tx, Rx modulu jejich namerene DC hodnoty se pohybuji v normalu vcetne RSSI 4V - 0V cca do 0,5V funguje prenos dat cca do vzdalenosti 1,5m na koberci (krabicky jsou samozrejme uzavrene). Cervena LED znaci vysilani dat, zelena prijem dat. Jestli je na RSSI 4V tak uz prijimac muze byt prebuzeny a signal se mrsit - zkuste to se slabsim signalem, jestli budou chodit data plnym prutokem 10Mbps full duplex. Cl< > > Diky za odpoved > > Cobrik From maco at host.sk Thu Sep 9 12:32:46 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Sep 9 14:43:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] vzdialenost RX a TX diody od ostatnych suciastok In-Reply-To: <20040909100632.GD4253@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1094722475.414023abc2115@montha.psu.ac.th> <20040909100632.GD4253@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41403F5E.8060908@host.sk> Je mozme dat RX a TX diody dalej od ostatnych suciastok v hniezde (myslim v TX a RX hniezde)? Napr. mohla by byt TX a RX dioda od suaciastok spojena 10cm kablikom? Aky by to malo vplyv na prepoj? Bolo by mozne dat RX a TX hniezda mimo tuusy a do tubusov dat len diody? (odtienene...) vdaka maco From polous at katka.biz Thu Sep 9 20:26:34 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Sep 9 17:23:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja a ultravykony Gross ?! Message-ID: <4140AE6A.7050409@katka.biz> koukam koukam a opravdu ma ronja tetrapolis "Gross data rate: 10.000 000 Mbps" ??? (http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/spec.php) have a fun p0l0us From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Thu Sep 9 17:31:42 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Thu Sep 9 17:32:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja a ultravykony Gross ?! In-Reply-To: <4140AE6A.7050409@katka.biz> References: <4140AE6A.7050409@katka.biz> Message-ID: <4140856E.1050503@sattnet.cz> A co je a tom divneho? Martin Polehla napsal(a): > koukam koukam a opravdu ma ronja tetrapolis "Gross data rate: 10.000 > 000 Mbps" ??? > (http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/spec.php) > > have a fun > p0l0us > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek From polous at katka.biz Thu Sep 9 20:45:26 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Sep 9 17:41:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja a ultravykony Gross ?! In-Reply-To: <4140856E.1050503@sattnet.cz> References: <4140AE6A.7050409@katka.biz> <4140856E.1050503@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <4140B2D6.2070304@katka.biz> 10000000Mbps ? p0l0us David Sedl??ek wrote: > A co je a tom divneho? > > Martin Polehla napsal(a): > >> koukam koukam a opravdu ma ronja tetrapolis "Gross data rate: 10.000 >> 000 Mbps" ??? >> (http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/spec.php) >> >> have a fun >> p0l0us >> > From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Thu Sep 9 17:44:29 2004 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Thu Sep 9 17:44:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja a ultravykony Gross ?! In-Reply-To: <4140B2D6.2070304@katka.biz> References: <4140AE6A.7050409@katka.biz> <4140856E.1050503@sattnet.cz> <4140B2D6.2070304@katka.biz> Message-ID: <4140886D.4030803@tiscali.cz> Martin Polehla wrote: > 10000000Mbps ? > > p0l0us Mohl sis vsimnout ze v anglosaskych zemich se pouziva desetinna tecka, misto nasi carky. Pravda tech sest nul je matoucich. Martin From polous at katka.biz Thu Sep 9 21:01:07 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Sep 9 17:57:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja a ultravykony Gross ?! In-Reply-To: <4140886D.4030803@tiscali.cz> References: <4140AE6A.7050409@katka.biz> <4140856E.1050503@sattnet.cz> <4140B2D6.2070304@katka.biz> <4140886D.4030803@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <4140B683.1050804@katka.biz> Martin Stachon wrote: > Martin Polehla wrote: > >> 10000000Mbps ? >> >> p0l0us > > > Mohl sis vsimnout ze v anglosaskych zemich se pouziva desetinna tecka, > misto nasi carky. Pravda tech sest nul je matoucich. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > jo jasne .. tecka . - babicka tim oddelovala tisice a stovky ... 1.000 = 1000. p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 9 18:17:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Sep 9 18:17:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja a ultravykony Gross ?! In-Reply-To: <4140886D.4030803@tiscali.cz> References: <4140AE6A.7050409@katka.biz> <4140856E.1050503@sattnet.cz> <4140B2D6.2070304@katka.biz> <4140886D.4030803@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <20040909171721.GA5243@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 06:44:29PM +0200, Martin Stachon wrote: > Martin Polehla wrote: > > >10000000Mbps ? > > > >p0l0us > > Mohl sis vsimnout ze v anglosaskych zemich se pouziva desetinna tecka, > misto nasi carky. Pravda tech sest nul je matoucich. Nejlepsi je LC_kdovico nastaveni v UNIXu, to pak zpusobuje, ze ruzne programy vypisuji pomoci print misto 3.14 3,14 a vznikaji napr. postscriptove soubory, ktere nejdou precist. Lide od glibc by meli mit soudni zakaz prace s pocitacem :) Cl< > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 9 18:38:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Sep 9 18:38:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv zahadny prijimac Message-ID: <20040909173847.GA5304@beton.cybernet.src> Prijimac ma stejny dosah s kondenzatorem i bez. Mohl to byt studenak, ale Malusek rikal, ze ma 8 dalsich stejne se chovajicih prijimacu, a jinym lidem to pry dela take, coz je nepravdepodobne, ze by bylo vsechno zpusobeno studenakem. Pak to mohl byt kondenzator. Pri casnych pokusem s odletovanim se rozpadl a tak jsem ho musel nahradit. Zkusil jsem nahradni kondenzatory 3, postupne: 1) TESLA 100n 2) 100n z meho prijimace, z GM (vetsi nez 3) ) 3) jiny 100n z Maluskova prijimace (mensi nez 2) Ve vsech trech pripadech byl dosah s kondenzatorem a bez kondenzatoru stejny. Budu to resit asi tak, ze do schematu dam paralelne s nim jeste 1n a poprosim ostatni postizene (i Maluska s jeho ostatnimi kusy) aby je tam zkusili pridat, jestli problem pomine. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 9 18:58:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Sep 9 18:58:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possible bug in receiver Message-ID: <20040909175843.GA5620@beton.cybernet.src> Hello After examining Malusek's mysterious receiver I suspect the receiver could contain a bug. It would manifest itself only with some types or even single pieces of 100nF C153 capacitors. I have added C154 - 1n to RX and please all people who have the following problem: "The receiver has normal operating distance when C153 is disconnected and severely reduced operating distance when it's connected according to the guide", to add the 1nF capacitor C154 and report the result. Thanks, Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Thu Sep 9 19:35:52 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Thu Sep 9 19:36:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu Message-ID: <20040909183605Z1306549-19865+112587@mail.centrum.cz> obesel sem v ostrave hafo obchodu a hledal sem nejlevnejsi koax. v elektroworldu v soping parku meli za 6Kc metr. vypadal uplne normale. dneska sem ho chtel pripajet a co se nestalo. stineni je z nevim coho a pajet nejde ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty tenke dratky ulame:(.... pak sem hchtel taky udelat neco malo stineni z hliniku. koupil sem si v GM "pajeci kapalina na hlinik". jak to mam pouzit? mylel sem ze se to proste namoci (nakape) a normalne se na to paji PbSn cinem...taky to neslo... vi nekdo co stim? dik From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Thu Sep 9 19:40:01 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Thu Sep 9 19:40:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu In-Reply-To: <20040909183605Z1306549-19865+112587@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040909183605Z1306549-19865+112587@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <4140A381.9000307@sattnet.cz> Stejny prblem s RG6U, proste sem to pajel do ty doby, dokud se cin neprolil mezi stineni a neztuhnul tam :-). Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): >obesel sem v ostrave hafo obchodu a hledal sem nejlevnejsi koax. v elektroworldu v soping parku meli za 6Kc metr. vypadal uplne normale. dneska sem ho chtel pripajet a co se nestalo. stineni je z nevim coho a pajet nejde ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty tenke dratky ulame:(.... > >pak sem hchtel taky udelat neco malo stineni z hliniku. koupil sem si v GM "pajeci kapalina na hlinik". jak to mam pouzit? mylel sem ze se to proste namoci (nakape) a normalne se na to paji PbSn cinem...taky to neslo... vi nekdo co stim? > >dik > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From honza at hoidekr.net Thu Sep 9 19:59:10 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Thu Sep 9 19:59:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] seliger twister ?! In-Reply-To: <1094291438.41398fee89c06@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> <412E693E.3050200@sattnet.cz> <412EBD46.60001@katka.biz> <412ECD89.3040207@katka.biz> <1093632263.412f8108008f7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <4135BC92.9040001@hoidekr.net> <1094291438.41398fee89c06@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <4140A7FE.8020308@hoidekr.net> Zapojeni filtru? Take psal jsi, ze tam mas PoE. Muzes to uvolnit? Honza Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Tady je soupis materialu na vyrobu drive > (http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg ) > vyobrazene krabice s twisterem: > > Varianta 1 pro sikovne ruce (mensi krabice): > 1*U-AH312 krabice plechova > 1*V5224C chladic > 4*DI5M3X08 distancni sloupek 8mm > 7*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni > CDROMu) > > Dalsi je na pripadnou desticku s konektory > 4*DI5M3X05 distancni sloupek 5mm > 4*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni > CDROMu) > 1*WEBP 8-8 LP konektor RJ45 do PLS (nebo recyklovany ze sitove karty) > 2*BNC-Z 50RW BNC zasuvka do PLS plastova (nebo recyklovana dtto.) > > Varianta 2 pro leve ruce (velka krabice): > 1*U-AH313 krabice plechova > 1*V5224C chladic > 4*DI5M3X05 distancni sloupek 5mm > 7*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni > CDROMu) > > Dalsi je na pripadnou desticku s konektory > 4*DI5M3X05 distancni sloupek 5mm > 4*sroub M3 s pulkulatou hlavou, dlouhy 3mm, nemaj v GM (pouziva se na uchyceni > CDROMu) > 1*WEBP 8-8 LP konektor RJ45 do PLS (nebo recyklovany ze sitove karty) > 2*BNC-Z 50RW BNC zasuvka do PLS plastova (nebo recyklovana dtto.) > > Skoro vsechen material je k dostani v GMe, dohromady cca 200Kc resp. 250Kc. > > >>Muzes nekde vystavit schema zapojeni filtru a PoE? >>diky Honza >> >>PS: moc pekna krabicka >> >>Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: >> >>>Pod destickou se skryvaji jen nejake SMD kondiky pro filtraci napajeni, >> >>jinak >> >>>nic. Pres to UTP jeste jede takove sverazne PoE. >>>Jedina vada na krase je chladic, stoji v GMe 80Kc a je tam jen proto aby se >> >>7805 >> >>>mohl pripajet primo na desku twistera a mel zaroven dobry kontakt s >> >>krabici. >> >>>V nedeli vecer dodam rozpisku materialu. >>> >>>Petr Seliger >>> >>>Quoting Martin Polehla : >>> >>> >>> >>>>Ahoj, >>>>tak brousim po galerii a narazil sem na tohle: >>>>http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg >>>> >>>>zajmalo by mne, co se skryva pod destickou (na ni), co sou pridelane bnc >>>>konektory a utp [+ traficko(?)] ?? to je nejake vylepseni twistera ? >>>> >>>>btw. ta krabicka s konektorama a chladicem je moc pekna :)) >>>> >>>>p0l0us >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 9 21:24:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Sep 9 21:24:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu In-Reply-To: <20040909183605Z1306549-19865+112587@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040909183605Z1306549-19865+112587@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040909202436.GA6014@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:35:52PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > obesel sem v ostrave hafo obchodu a hledal sem nejlevnejsi koax. v > elektroworldu v soping parku meli za 6Kc metr. vypadal uplne normale. dneska > sem ho chtel pripajet a co se nestalo. stineni je z nevim coho a pajet nejde > ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty > tenke dratky ulame:(.... A je tam par tenkejch dratku nebo jenom hlinik? > > pak sem hchtel taky udelat neco malo stineni z hliniku. koupil sem si v GM > "pajeci kapalina na hlinik". jak to mam pouzit? mylel sem ze se to proste > namoci (nakape) a normalne se na to paji PbSn cinem...taky to neslo... vi > nekdo co stim? S tim jsem v zivote nedelal ale taky by me zajimalo jestli je zpusob jak treba pomoci mekke pajky sletovat 2 hlinikove plechy k sobe. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Thu Sep 9 21:30:34 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Thu Sep 9 21:30:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Guide References: <20040907040320.GA1797@deineira><20040907062311.GF408@beton.cybernet.src><20040907072415.GA2312@deineira> <20040907080527.GB1274@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000501c496ab$e3aa9d80$fd02a8c0@diablo> http://twiki.twibright.com/pub/Main/DownloadRonja/download_ronja_guide Supply a directory that doesn't exist From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 9 21:36:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Sep 9 21:36:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Guide In-Reply-To: <000501c496ab$e3aa9d80$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040907080527.GB1274@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c496ab$e3aa9d80$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040909203650.GB6014@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 10:30:34PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > http://twiki.twibright.com/pub/Main/DownloadRonja/download_ronja_guide > > > Supply a directory that doesn't exist The script argument must be a directory that doesn't exist to prevent accidental overwriting of directory contents. The directory will be created. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From steebe at seznam.cz Thu Sep 9 21:46:36 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Thu Sep 9 21:46:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu References: <20040909183605Z1306549-19865+112587@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001c01c496ae$1a70ea20$0581000a@steebe> Nekupuj nejlevnejsi :) RG - 59 je perfektni a mame ji dokonce s dvema izolacema :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu > obesel sem v ostrave hafo obchodu a hledal sem nejlevnejsi koax. v elektroworldu v soping parku meli za 6Kc metr. vypadal uplne normale. dneska sem ho chtel pripajet a co se nestalo. stineni je z nevim coho a pajet nejde ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty tenke dratky ulame:(.... > > pak sem hchtel taky udelat neco malo stineni z hliniku. koupil sem si v GM "pajeci kapalina na hlinik". jak to mam pouzit? mylel sem ze se to proste namoci (nakape) a normalne se na to paji PbSn cinem...taky to neslo... vi nekdo co stim? > > dik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From steebe at seznam.cz Thu Sep 9 22:02:10 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Thu Sep 9 22:02:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] test spojeni Message-ID: <006701c496b0$47b792c0$0581000a@steebe> Mam tu dalsi Ronjitko . na zemi . mam tu maly problem . vse zapojim na podlaze metr od sebe . dam RX naproti TX a na Twistru mi zhasne zelena dioda ( jak bylo psano RX chyta 1Mhz signal) ale ping neproleze . spojeni Twister Twister prez 3 kabilky bylo uspesne a jelo v pohode . cim to muze byt ? zeby to BFko bylo odpaleny ? Muze se to takhle chovat ? Merici body budu merit zitra . ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040909/d829834e/attachment.htm From wlanjan at gmx.de Thu Sep 9 22:18:45 2004 From: wlanjan at gmx.de (wlanjan@gmx.de) Date: Thu Sep 9 22:18:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] status of Interpolis? Message-ID: <31956.1094764725@www6.gmx.net> Hi all, I am very interested in Interpolis and would like to know how far the developement is? How will it technically differ to Metropolis and which range is aimed? When could we hope to get it released? Thanks a lot! Jan -- Supergünstige DSL-Tarife + WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* Jetzt zu GMX wechseln und sparen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From hodza at czfree-ol.net Sun Sep 12 22:41:16 2004 From: hodza at czfree-ol.net (Hodza) Date: Thu Sep 9 22:29:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 References: <200409092034.WAA09104@raven.upol.cz> Message-ID: <000501c49911$3d320ac0$0501a8c0@hodza> > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:24:36 +0000 > From: Karel Kulhav? > Subject: Re: [Ronja] pajeni kablu > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <20040909202436.GA6014@beton.cybernet.src> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:35:52PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > obesel sem v ostrave hafo obchodu a hledal sem nejlevnejsi koax. v > > elektroworldu v soping parku meli za 6Kc metr. vypadal uplne normale. dneska > > sem ho chtel pripajet a co se nestalo. stineni je z nevim coho a pajet nejde > > ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty > > tenke dratky ulame:(.... > > A je tam par tenkejch dratku nebo jenom hlinik? > > > > > > pak sem hchtel taky udelat neco malo stineni z hliniku. koupil sem si v GM > > "pajeci kapalina na hlinik". jak to mam pouzit? mylel sem ze se to proste > > namoci (nakape) a normalne se na to paji PbSn cinem...taky to neslo... vi > > nekdo co stim? > > S tim jsem v zivote nedelal ale taky by me zajimalo jestli je zpusob jak > treba pomoci mekke pajky sletovat 2 hlinikove plechy k sobe. > > Cl< Jakekoliv draty, maticky, plech, sroubky a spol. /krome hlinikovych/, ktere nelze napajet klasickym zpusobem se paji SPECIALNIM CINEM S KYSELINOU. /ten se da alespon v Olomouci koupit/. Je to v podstate klasicka SnPb pajka s tim, ze uprostred ma misto kalafuny je smes kyseliny. Pokud to nesezenete tak je jednoducha alternativa - namocite to /lepe receno ponorite a hned vytahnete/ do kyseliny chlorovodikove (HCL). Pozor - PRI PAJENI TO PRSKA DO OCI a trosku to SMRDI :) Podle me je lepsi dratky namacet do kyseliny a pak pajet nez kupovat silene drahy cin s kyselinou /tim se mi paji hur.../. Posledni zpusob pouzivali myslim nasi dedeckove. Ja tak pajel napriklad stare kabely od telefonniho sluchatka nebo CU draty kdyz jsem motal trafo. Jednoduse vemete par dratku a zahrejete je a zaroven pritlacujete pajkou na klasicky Acilpirin /na paralen to nefunguje :)/ Pokud Vam to smrdi po celym byte pak pajite dobre... /tohle je fakt hnus na dychani ale funguje to/. Hlinikove plechy se klasickou pajkou vicemene pajet nedaji a i s onou kapalinou to jde velmi spatne. Bud se plech naleptava (podleptava) nebo to proste vubec nedrzi. Da se tim spojit plech tak do 1mm tloustky maximalne /ale drzi to silou vule/. Ja na to pouzivam klasickou fintu - budto to nejdriv postribrim /coz jde pouze tou "drazssi kapalinou" - cca 3000Kc 250ml/, nebo to pomedim (klasicka modra skalice a tvrdy zdroj konstantniho proudu udela svoje...) caf Hodza From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Fri Sep 10 05:35:12 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Fri Sep 10 05:35:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu Message-ID: <20040910043516Z1305744-19882+120606@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:24:36 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] pajeni kablu > > On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:35:52PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > obesel sem v ostrave hafo obchodu a hledal sem nejlevnejsi koax. v > > elektroworldu v soping parku meli za 6Kc metr. vypadal uplne normale. dneska > > sem ho chtel pripajet a co se nestalo. stineni je z nevim coho a pajet nejde > > ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty > > tenke dratky ulame:(.... > > A je tam par tenkejch dratku nebo jenom hlinik? > dratrky, nehlinikove :/ > > > > > pak sem hchtel taky udelat neco malo stineni z hliniku. koupil sem si v GM > > "pajeci kapalina na hlinik". jak to mam pouzit? mylel sem ze se to proste > > namoci (nakape) a normalne se na to paji PbSn cinem...taky to neslo... vi > > nekdo co stim? > > S tim jsem v zivote nedelal ale taky by me zajimalo jestli je zpusob jak > treba pomoci mekke pajky sletovat 2 hlinikove plechy k sobe. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 10 06:45:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 10 06:45:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] status of Interpolis? In-Reply-To: <31956.1094764725@www6.gmx.net> References: <31956.1094764725@www6.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20040910054541.GA365@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 11:18:45PM +0200, wlanjan@gmx.de wrote: > Hi all, > I am very interested in Interpolis and would like to know how far the > developement is? How will it technically differ to Metropolis and which > range is aimed? When could we hope to get it released? Some percentages of completeness are here: http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php A range higher than Tetrapolid is aimed, as high as possible. Cl< > > Thanks a lot! Jan > > -- > Superg?nstige DSL-Tarife + WLAN-Router f?r 0,- EUR* > Jetzt zu GMX wechseln und sparen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 10 08:47:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 10 08:47:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu In-Reply-To: <20040910043516Z1305744-19882+120606@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040910043516Z1305744-19882+120606@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040910074714.GA910@beton.cybernet.src> > > > ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty > > > tenke dratky ulame:(.... > > > > A je tam par tenkejch dratku nebo jenom hlinik? > > > > dratrky, nehlinikove Tak to se ohloli ve vetsi delce, priletuje k ten dratkum normalni oholene medene pocinovane lanko a pak se to v te vetsi delce omota izolackou, aby se to nemohlo vytrhnout, a je to. Folie se tam necha, pokud jsou dratky nad folii. Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Fri Sep 10 13:31:47 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Fri Sep 10 13:29:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hodnota RSSI Message-ID: <200409101431.47582.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dobry den jen tak pro zajimavost bych chtel vedet jakou hodnotu RSSI ma linkach mate. Pokud byste byli tak laskavi a ti kdo provozuji ronju napsali mi nalsedujici informace: Typ RSSI (stare /nove) Delka linky Prumer optiky hodnota rssi dosah na stole bez optiky hodnota rssi pri ktere se zacne objevovat paketloss. Pokud nekdo nebude znat vsechno nevadi, napiste mi jakoukoliv informaci z vyse uvedenych. Diky moc. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From polous at katka.biz Fri Sep 10 17:39:00 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Sep 10 14:35:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hodnota RSSI In-Reply-To: <200409101431.47582.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200409101431.47582.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <4141D8A4.8090907@katka.biz> Tohle presne sem se z lidi snazil dostat. Nedozvedel sem se ani to, co ti napisu. Mozna neumim komunikovat :-| Bohuzel vetsina z nich mi nic presnyho nerekla - jen ellite mi prozradil, ze jeho ronja behala na zemi na cca 5metru [ale neverim, ze ma tak velky pokojicek]. Az po delsi dobe sem zjistil, ze RSSI je tak ruzny a tak promenlivy, ze je to vlastne zbytecny resit. Proto aby spoj behal si pri testovani na zemi zjisti, kolik mas max RSSI s 0%PL. To je presne to stejne RSSI, ktere pak musis pri instalaci ziskat. Samozrejmosti je, ze cim ziskas silnejsi signal, tim bude spoj stabilnejsi. Mam tu nekolik modulu, nektere maji pri 0%PL 88mV, jiny 120mV a dalsi zas 300mV. Dalsi veci, ktere jsem se nedokazal dopatrat, je pomer vzdalenost zem vs. s optikou. Opet je to asi tim, ze zadna overena souvislost neni. Ledky a cocky maji kazda jine opticke vlastnosti. Asi si treba prisel na to, ze kdyz posvitis ledkou na papir, cerveny obraz neni stejnorody. Tim chci rict, ze podle me i kdyz budes mit desitky informaci, stejne to pro tebe nemuze byt tak uplne smerodatny. Na druhou stranu me tyhle informace taky zajmaji ;).... Tak klidne piste .. bylo by fajn dat tyhle informace do galerie k fotkam nebo na wiky, treba i vcetne informaci o pouzitych tranzistorech, ledkach ci namerenych hodnot na tespointech. pekny den p0l0us Petr Zapadlo wrote: >Dobry den > >jen tak pro zajimavost bych chtel vedet jakou hodnotu RSSI ma linkach mate. >Pokud byste byli tak laskavi a ti kdo provozuji ronju napsali mi nalsedujici >informace: >Typ RSSI (stare /nove) >Delka linky >Prumer optiky >hodnota rssi >dosah na stole bez optiky >hodnota rssi pri ktere se zacne objevovat paketloss. > >Pokud nekdo nebude znat vsechno nevadi, napiste mi jakoukoliv informaci z vyse >uvedenych. > >Diky moc. > >S pozdravem > > From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Fri Sep 10 14:38:01 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Fri Sep 10 14:38:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kondenzator u U68 In-Reply-To: <002901c495ab$32c19470$6e03000a@telefonak> Message-ID: <102352.4898317-723-1529455827-1094823480@email.seznam.cz> Jak je na fotce u navodu kondenzator primo u stabilizatoru .. chci se zeptat, jaky je to kondenzator ? diky. From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 10 15:05:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 10 15:05:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hodnota RSSI In-Reply-To: <4141D8A4.8090907@katka.biz> References: <200409101431.47582.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <4141D8A4.8090907@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040910140509.GB1253@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 03:39:00PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Tohle presne sem se z lidi snazil dostat. Nedozvedel sem se ani to, co > ti napisu. Mozna neumim komunikovat :-| > > Bohuzel vetsina z nich mi nic presnyho nerekla - jen ellite mi > prozradil, ze jeho ronja behala na zemi na cca 5metru [ale neverim, ze > ma tak velky pokojicek]. Az po delsi dobe sem zjistil, ze RSSI je tak > ruzny a tak promenlivy, ze je to vlastne zbytecny resit. > > Proto aby spoj behal si pri testovani na zemi zjisti, kolik mas max RSSI > s 0%PL. To je presne to stejne RSSI, ktere pak musis pri instalaci > ziskat. Samozrejmosti je, ze cim ziskas silnejsi signal, tim bude spoj > stabilnejsi. Mam tu nekolik modulu, nektere maji pri 0%PL 88mV, jiny > 120mV a dalsi zas 300mV. > > Dalsi veci, ktere jsem se nedokazal dopatrat, je pomer vzdalenost zem > vs. s optikou. Opet je to asi tim, ze zadna overena souvislost neni. > Ledky a cocky maji kazda jine opticke vlastnosti. Asi si treba prisel na > to, ze kdyz posvitis ledkou na papir, cerveny obraz neni stejnorody. Tim > chci rict, ze podle me i kdyz budes mit desitky informaci, stejne to pro > tebe nemuze byt tak uplne smerodatny. Soucasti Ronji Inferno je i merici lavice, na ktere se presne tenhle udaj da jednoduse v domacich podminkach zmerit. Cl< > > Na druhou stranu me tyhle informace taky zajmaji ;).... Tak klidne piste > .. bylo by fajn dat tyhle informace do galerie k fotkam nebo na wiky, > treba i vcetne informaci o pouzitych tranzistorech, ledkach ci > namerenych hodnot na tespointech. > > pekny den > p0l0us > > > > Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > >Dobry den > > > >jen tak pro zajimavost bych chtel vedet jakou hodnotu RSSI ma linkach mate. > >Pokud byste byli tak laskavi a ti kdo provozuji ronju napsali mi > >nalsedujici informace: > >Typ RSSI (stare /nove) > >Delka linky > >Prumer optiky > >hodnota rssi > >dosah na stole bez optiky > >hodnota rssi pri ktere se zacne objevovat paketloss. > > > >Pokud nekdo nebude znat vsechno nevadi, napiste mi jakoukoliv informaci z > >vyse uvedenych. > > > >Diky moc. > > > >S pozdravem > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Fri Sep 10 19:39:50 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Sep 10 16:36:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hodnota RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040910140509.GB1253@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200409101431.47582.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <4141D8A4.8090907@katka.biz> <20040910140509.GB1253@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4141F4F6.1050202@katka.biz> >>Dalsi veci, ktere jsem se nedokazal dopatrat, je pomer vzdalenost zem >>vs. s optikou. Opet je to asi tim, ze zadna overena souvislost neni. >>Ledky a cocky maji kazda jine opticke vlastnosti. Asi si treba prisel na >>to, ze kdyz posvitis ledkou na papir, cerveny obraz neni stejnorody. Tim >>chci rict, ze podle me i kdyz budes mit desitky informaci, stejne to pro >>tebe nemuze byt tak uplne smerodatny. >> >> > >Soucasti Ronji Inferno je i merici lavice, na ktere se presne tenhle udaj >da jednoduse v domacich podminkach zmerit. > >Cl< > Muzes tu lavici nejak popsat ? Co to je a co to presne meri (ktery udaj mas na mysli) ? Kolik penez jeste chybi do vypusteni infrerna ? Mas nejaky odhad, kdy (casove) bude inferno vypustena ? Pouzivaji se v inferno led jmenovane v tomto foru ? prijmaci SFH2030(F) nebo vysilaci HDSLxxx ?? Tistaky k metro(tetra)polis budou taky uvolnene az se na to nekdo slozi ? p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 10 17:11:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 10 17:12:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hodnota RSSI In-Reply-To: <4141F4F6.1050202@katka.biz> References: <200409101431.47582.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <4141D8A4.8090907@katka.biz> <20040910140509.GB1253@beton.cybernet.src> <4141F4F6.1050202@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040910161159.GA1826@beton.cybernet.src> > > > >Soucasti Ronji Inferno je i merici lavice, na ktere se presne tenhle udaj > >da jednoduse v domacich podminkach zmerit. > > > >Cl< > > > Muzes tu lavici nejak popsat ? > Co to je a co to presne meri (ktery udaj mas na mysli) ? Meri to opticky zisk cocky v kombinaci s uzivatelem zvolenou svitivou diodou. > > Kolik penez jeste chybi do vypusteni infrerna ? Asi 8000 > > Mas nejaky odhad, kdy (casove) bude inferno vypustena ? Nemam - to zavisi na prispevcich. > > Pouzivaji se v inferno led jmenovane v tomto foru ? prijmaci SFH2030(F) > nebo vysilaci HDSLxxx ?? Pouzivaj se tam SFH203F a HSDL42xx agilentacky infra ledky co se normalne koupej v GM (aspon se nemusej slozite shanet HPWT-BD00-E4000). > > Tistaky k metro(tetra)polis budou taky uvolnene az se na to nekdo slozi ? Jojo. Cl< From polous at katka.biz Fri Sep 10 20:51:32 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Sep 10 17:48:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hodnota RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040910161159.GA1826@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200409101431.47582.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <4141D8A4.8090907@katka.biz> <20040910140509.GB1253@beton.cybernet.src> <4141F4F6.1050202@katka.biz> <20040910161159.GA1826@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <414205C4.7000701@katka.biz> >>Tistaky k metro(tetra)polis budou taky uvolnene az se na to nekdo slozi ? >> >> > >Jojo. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > muzou se produkty twibright labs predbihat v uvolnovani ? [konkretne muzou predbehnout tistaky cervenych Rx+Tx ronju inferno ?] p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 10 18:04:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 10 18:04:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hodnota RSSI In-Reply-To: <414205C4.7000701@katka.biz> References: <200409101431.47582.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <4141D8A4.8090907@katka.biz> <20040910140509.GB1253@beton.cybernet.src> <4141F4F6.1050202@katka.biz> <20040910161159.GA1826@beton.cybernet.src> <414205C4.7000701@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040910170455.GB1899@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 06:51:32PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > >>Tistaky k metro(tetra)polis budou taky uvolnene az se na to nekdo slozi ? > >> > >> > > > >Jojo. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > muzou se produkty twibright labs predbihat v uvolnovani ? [konkretne > muzou predbehnout tistaky cervenych Rx+Tx ronju inferno ?] To nemam jeste uplne dokonale rozmyslene ale asi to udelam tak, ze se predbihat budou moct, vyjma dependenci (tzn. napr. kdyz se udelaj tistaky Inferna a nebude jeste uvolnene Inferno, tak bude mit dependenci na Inferno). Cl< > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Sep 10 18:19:07 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Sep 10 18:19:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possible bug in receiver In-Reply-To: <20040909175843.GA5620@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040909175843.GA5620@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1094836747.4141e20b7d3de@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Jeste by se melo do navodu dopsat, ze by se C153 mely nozicky zkratit co nejvice, tak na max. 2mm. > Hello > > After examining Malusek's mysterious receiver I suspect the receiver could > contain a bug. It would manifest itself only with some types or even single > pieces of 100nF C153 capacitors. > > I have added C154 - 1n to RX and please all people who have the following > problem: > > "The receiver has normal operating distance when C153 is disconnected and > severely reduced operating distance when it's connected according to the > guide", > > to add the 1nF capacitor C154 and report the result. > > Thanks, > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Sep 10 18:23:01 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Sep 10 18:23:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] seliger twister ?! In-Reply-To: <4140A7FE.8020308@hoidekr.net> References: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> <412E693E.3050200@sattnet.cz> <412EBD46.60001@katka.biz> <412ECD89.3040207@katka.biz> <1093632263.412f8108008f7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <4135BC92.9040001@hoidekr.net> <1094291438.41398fee89c06@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <4140A7FE.8020308@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <1094836981.4141e2f52d83f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Vypada to ze trafko ma jiste problemy. Jeste se na to musim podivat a pak dam zapojeni. Na "Sveraznem PoE" neni nic tajneho - 4 nevyuzite zily UTPcka jsou pripojena na 12V. Na sitove karte {HUBu} jsou primo napajeny draty pres pojistku na konektor a je to pekna prasarna. Takze bych se s tim radsi nechlubil. Quoting Jan Hoidekr : > Zapojeni filtru? Take psal jsi, ze tam mas PoE. > Muzes to uvolnit? > > Honza From polous at katka.biz Fri Sep 10 23:36:34 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Sep 10 20:32:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] seliger twister ?! Message-ID: <41422C72.1070709@katka.biz> Na vzdalenosti 1m takova indukce a ubytek napeti aby to mohlo vadit nebude ne ? ** reakce na popis sverazneho POE ;) ** p0l0us From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Sep 11 09:39:22 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Sep 11 09:39:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] seliger twister ?! In-Reply-To: <41422C72.1070709@katka.biz> References: <41422C72.1070709@katka.biz> Message-ID: <1094891962.4142b9ba0931f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Na vzdalenost jednoho metru tam nema sebemensi cenu davat nejake trafo a nejake PoE. Kua! > Na vzdalenosti 1m takova indukce a ubytek napeti aby to mohlo vadit > nebude ne ? > > ** reakce na popis sverazneho POE ;) ** > > p0l0us > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From curious at grzybnia.no-ip.info Sat Sep 11 11:07:39 2004 From: curious at grzybnia.no-ip.info (Bob Arctor) Date: Sat Sep 11 11:08:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] fresnel lens Message-ID: <20040911120739.037d7e13.curious@grzybnia.no-ip.info> hello. recently i purhased so called fresnel-lens which is ~A4 size (150x255mm) sheet of thick PVC , with concentrical rows... unit works like 19x28cm plastic lens :) i wonder what distances you could achieve using such large lens :) ps. unit is sold in .pl by lemi.com.pl as card lens magnifier 180x255mm, and it is .... imported from taiwan :D if anyone would find manufacutre making such fresnel lens (or bigger) i'll be glad for info. it looks trivial to press on thermal press, but it seems noone manufactures such thing in .pl and i found only firm making custom high-quality fresnel lens for projectors in .de, which is not what i am looking 4 (i purhased this lens for solar concentrator project, thus quality is not my problem) it is absurd for me to import mere plastic sheets from taiwan :) From zapadlo at melzer.cz Sat Sep 11 13:25:21 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Sat Sep 11 13:25:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] fresnel lens In-Reply-To: <20040911120739.037d7e13.curious@grzybnia.no-ip.info> References: <20040911120739.037d7e13.curious@grzybnia.no-ip.info> Message-ID: <34057.194.212.14.194.1094905521.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> > hello. recently i purhased so called fresnel-lens > which is ~A4 size (150x255mm) sheet of thick PVC , with > concentrical rows... > > unit works like 19x28cm plastic lens :) > > i wonder what distances you could achieve using such large lens :) > This lens good for Rx and not good for Tx. On Tx need classic glass lens. Good Bye -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo From andy at intercomp.info Sat Sep 11 16:09:49 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Sat Sep 11 15:58:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister power consumpcion Message-ID: <1384.195.205.177.210.1094915389.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Hey, I have a problem with power consumpcion of Twisters. I was build 2 Twisters and they consume 330mA of power (each of one) And there is some wrong, because normal (IDLE) value is 170mA. U58 is going dangerously HOT....and U62 a little HOT. I thought that I was something wrong soldered(soem short cirrcuit). But in the second Twister there is the same wrong 330mA value (without TX, RX, and UTP). I correct bug fix ( =<20040408 PCB bug) I don't know what is wrong ????? Oh, I must write that I use PCB version (PCB's from Horky) and AM26LS31CN, AM26LS32ACN (not DS26LS31, DS26LS32). I point that, because this IC's are becoming dangerously hot...in about 10-30s from powering. I use also (yellow-brown) resistors with 5% tolerancy (not blue - 1% tolerancy), and cerramic capatitors are 60V (not 50V), and I use 2x16V Electrolitc Capacitors (not 1x10V and 1x16V). I also must say that devices [2x (Twister,RX,TX)] are not working :) But... once, form a while, I was catch the signal, and I had some ping's :) There was about 10 ping's <1ms, and they was gone ! :( Thanks for help. From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 11 17:51:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 17:51:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rawframes test Message-ID: <20040911165115.GA17628@beton.cybernet.src> Hello. I have developped a new test for Ronja: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RawFramesTest "RawFramesTest This test tests a device attached to a single network card by a loppback test. [...] * No fiddling with IP address and/or ARP entries necessary." Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 11 17:55:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 17:55:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister power consumpcion In-Reply-To: <1384.195.205.177.210.1094915389.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <1384.195.205.177.210.1094915389.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040911165537.GC17628@beton.cybernet.src> Did you do the correctness check? " Correctness check Take the PCB and inspect it completely. * Left-out components (except C54 and C55) * Correct values * Correct IC types * Correct orientation of IC's * Correct orientation of diodes. * Correct orientation of polarized capacitors * Correct orientation of connector keys " If yes, send photos of both sides of the PCB and overall photo of the Twister device and measure voltage on the power source when Twister is connected. If not, do the correctness check. Cl< On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 05:09:49PM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > Hey, > > I have a problem with power consumpcion of Twisters. > I was build 2 Twisters and they consume 330mA of power (each of one) > And there is some wrong, because normal (IDLE) value is 170mA. > U58 is going dangerously HOT....and U62 a little HOT. > I thought that I was something wrong soldered(soem short cirrcuit). But in > the second Twister there is the same wrong 330mA value (without TX, RX, > and UTP). > > I correct bug fix ( =<20040408 PCB bug) > I don't know what is wrong ????? > Oh, I must write that I use PCB version (PCB's from Horky) and AM26LS31CN, > AM26LS32ACN (not DS26LS31, DS26LS32). I point that, because this IC's are > becoming dangerously hot...in about 10-30s from powering. > I use also (yellow-brown) resistors with 5% tolerancy (not blue - 1% > tolerancy), and cerramic capatitors are 60V (not 50V), and I use 2x16V > Electrolitc Capacitors (not 1x10V and 1x16V). > > > I also must say that devices [2x (Twister,RX,TX)] are not working :) > But... once, form a while, I was catch the signal, and I had some ping's :) > There was about 10 ping's <1ms, and they was gone ! :( > > Thanks for help. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Sep 11 19:21:00 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 19:22:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nove nastavovani ohniska Message-ID: <20040911182103Z1301214-19865+154416@mail.centrum.cz> kdyz sem delal trubky na tx a rx tak sem mel trochu starosti, ze se mi nepodari udelat drazky na posun elektroniky dost presne a ze se mi ledka dostane pod (nad, vedle) ohnisko. vyresil sem to tak, ze sem do 75mm trubky pouzil vicka od medu do jejichz stredu sem umistil ledku. vicka sedi v trubce akorat. do 90mm trubek sem vyrezal kolecka z kusu plovouci podlahy. cely modul i s vickama/koleckama sem prisruboval na zavitovou tyc ktera vede na zadni vicko. v nem je vyrezany zavit/napajena matka. otacenim tyce se elektronika i s ledkou posouva k/od cocky... viz http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/RxTx.JPG jde tam toho kousek videt. chci vedet jesi si myslite ze se to da pouzit, nebo jesi je to nejak nachylne vuci nejakym vlivum :) ja myslim ze ne :) jo,abych nedelal ze je to muj sqely ;) napad tam me inspiroval napad s konzervou od gulase, ale nevim kdo to mel.... spoj uz mame z poloviny zamereny (ja primam ale druha strana ne, ale asi to bude naka kravina...) RSSI mam na te jedne strane 180mV (coz je cekem nic moc, kdyz uvazuju ze na zemi slo dosahnout 3,5V,(ale nevim kdy to losovalo)ale je to moje prvni dilo,tak me omluvte :) ) delka spoje je 283m, TP kably dlouhe 2 a 3m. Rx je 2x SMD a tx 2x normal. ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040911/c58b3eec/attachment.htm From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Sep 11 19:24:56 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 19:26:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky Message-ID: <20040911182500Z1302250-19881+154743@mail.centrum.cz> resil se problem jak upevnit cocku v 75mm trubce protoze jsem nesehnal kourove vicko tohodle rozmeru. ve skole sem na soustruhu udelal takovehle obruce. v te leve je zasazena cocka. cocky sou 65mm tusim ze 6D z optiky... http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/obruc.JPG http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/cocky.JPG ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040911/ade26da0/attachment.htm From andy at intercomp.info Sat Sep 11 20:32:48 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Sat Sep 11 20:21:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister power consumpcion Message-ID: <1515.195.205.177.214.1094931168.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> >Did you do the correctness check? Yes >" >Correctness check Take the PCB and inspect it completely. * Left-out >components >(except C54 and C55) * Correct values * Correct IC types * Correct >orientation >of IC's * Correct orientation of diodes. * Correct orientation of >polarized >capacitors * Correct orientation of connector keys >" All is correct >If yes, send photos of both sides of the PCB and overall photo of the >Twister >device and measure voltage on the power source when Twister is connected. > >If not, do the correctness check. Ok. I made website with photos. Look at this address: http://www.intercomp.info/~johny/ronjab.html Thnx for help. From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 11 20:48:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 20:48:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky In-Reply-To: <20040911182500Z1302250-19881+154743@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040911182500Z1302250-19881+154743@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040911194843.GB18943@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 08:24:56PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > resil se problem jak upevnit cocku v 75mm trubce protoze jsem nesehnal kourove vicko tohodle rozmeru. ve skole sem na soustruhu udelal takovehle obruce. v te leve je zasazena cocka. cocky sou 65mm tusim ze 6D z optiky... > > http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/obruc.JPG > http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/cocky.JPG Tywe co tam mate za soustruh ze se to do nej vejde ?!? :) M?? od toho n?jak? pl?nky jak se to zmerguje se st?vaj?c? mechanikou Ronji, ?e by se to p??padn? dalo jako optional mechanika? Mechanika nepot?ebuj?c? soustruh tam definitivn? mus? z?stat, proto?e soustruh doma prakticky nikdo nem?. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 11 21:00:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 21:00:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister power consumpcion In-Reply-To: <1515.195.205.177.214.1094931168.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <1515.195.205.177.214.1094931168.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040911200005.GD18943@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 09:32:48PM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > >Did you do the correctness check? > Yes > > >" > >Correctness check Take the PCB and inspect it completely. * Left-out > >components > >(except C54 and C55) * Correct values * Correct IC types * Correct > >orientation > >of IC's * Correct orientation of diodes. * Correct orientation of >polarized > >capacitors * Correct orientation of connector keys > >" > All is correct > > >If yes, send photos of both sides of the PCB and overall photo of the > >Twister > >device and measure voltage on the power source when Twister is connected. > > > >If not, do the correctness check. > > Ok. I made website with photos. > Look at this address: > http://www.intercomp.info/~johny/ronjab.html At least one pin from the bottom sides seems to have too little solder - almost dry. Fix this. http://www.intercomp.info/~johny/images/DSC00194.JPG It is clearly soldered direcly into the board. Can you provide a photo where the voltage regulator is visible completely? Was it plastic in, metal out or metal in, plastic out? You are having sockets there. Are they precision sockets? If not, there's a chance some of them don't conduct. If they are precision, the chance is smaller, but is still there, because it's not a gold-to-gold contact. Try cleaning them with contact cleaner spray according to spray manufacturer's instructions. Cl< > > Thnx for help. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Sep 11 21:00:18 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 21:00:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky Message-ID: <20040911200019Z1305321-19865+155487@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:48:43 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 08:24:56PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > resil se problem jak upevnit cocku v 75mm trubce protoze jsem nesehnal kourove vicko tohodle rozmeru. ve skole sem na soustruhu udelal takovehle obruce. v te leve je zasazena cocka. cocky sou 65mm tusim ze 6D z optiky... > > > > http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/obruc.JPG > > http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/cocky.JPG > > Tywe co tam mate za soustruh ze se to do nej vejde ?!? :) > > M?? od toho n?jak? pl?nky jak se to zmerguje nerozumim poslednimu slovu planek.... ja to zmeril sublerou, dal strycovi (on to uci, takze sem to nedelal uplne ja) on to vysoustruzil (nebo zaci,nevim) ja to dones domu, a sedelo to jako ulite. neco ale skusim zitra nakreslit >se st?vaj?c? mechanikou Ronji, ?e > by se to p??padn? dalo jako optional mechanika? co se tim mysli? (na me musis spis cesky, anglicky sem se neucil :((( ) Mechanika nepot?ebuj?c? > soustruh tam definitivn? mus? z?stat, proto?e soustruh doma prakticky nikdo > nem?. to chapu... ja sem vyuzil toho, ze ho mame ve sloke a ze tam mam dobre namosti :)) je to vyrobene z nake oceli, chtel sem to ze silonu, ale asi me stryc preslech...to je ale uz jedno.....:) > > Cl< > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Sep 11 21:05:26 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 21:05:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu Message-ID: <20040911200534Z1301562-19865+155541@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Steebe" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:46:36 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] pajeni kablu > > Nekupuj nejlevnejsi :) RG - 59 je perfektni a mame ji dokonce s dvema > izolacema :) > co je RG-59 ? to je naka norma, nebo oznaceni v GM, nebo neco podobneho? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:35 PM > Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu > > > > obesel sem v ostrave hafo obchodu a hledal sem nejlevnejsi koax. v > elektroworldu v soping parku meli za 6Kc metr. vypadal uplne normale. dneska > sem ho chtel pripajet a co se nestalo. stineni je z nevim coho a pajet nejde > ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty > tenke dratky ulame:(.... > > > > pak sem hchtel taky udelat neco malo stineni z hliniku. koupil sem si v GM > "pajeci kapalina na hlinik". jak to mam pouzit? mylel sem ze se to proste > namoci (nakape) a normalne se na to paji PbSn cinem...taky to neslo... vi > nekdo co stim? > > > > dik > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 11 21:14:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 21:14:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky In-Reply-To: <20040911200019Z1305321-19865+155487@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040911200019Z1305321-19865+155487@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040911201418.GA19051@beton.cybernet.src> > > M?? od toho n?jak? pl?nky jak se to zmerguje No jak se to slije se stavajicim navrhem - predpokladam, ze jsi vsechno nenavrhnul znovu od zacatku z te mechaniky. Cl< > > nerozumim poslednimu slovu > > planek.... ja to zmeril sublerou, dal strycovi (on to uci, takze sem to nedelal uplne ja) on to vysoustruzil (nebo zaci,nevim) ja to dones domu, a sedelo to jako ulite. neco ale skusim zitra nakreslit > > >se st?vaj?c? mechanikou Ronji, ?e > > by se to p??padn? dalo jako optional mechanika? > > co se tim mysli? (na me musis spis cesky, anglicky sem se neucil :((( ) > > Mechanika nepot?ebuj?c? > > soustruh tam definitivn? mus? z?stat, proto?e soustruh doma prakticky nikdo > > nem?. > > to chapu... ja sem vyuzil toho, ze ho mame ve sloke a ze tam mam dobre namosti :)) > je to vyrobene z nake oceli, chtel sem to ze silonu, ale asi me stryc preslech...to je ale uz jedno.....:) > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 11 21:14:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 21:14:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu In-Reply-To: <20040911200534Z1301562-19865+155541@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040911200534Z1301562-19865+155541@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040911201437.GB19051@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 10:05:26PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: "Steebe" > > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > > Datum: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:46:36 +0200 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] pajeni kablu > > > > Nekupuj nejlevnejsi :) RG - 59 je perfektni a mame ji dokonce s dvema > > izolacema :) > > > > co je RG-59 ? to je naka norma, nebo oznaceni v GM, nebo neco podobneho? Typ kabelu Cl< > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:35 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu > > > > > > > obesel sem v ostrave hafo obchodu a hledal sem nejlevnejsi koax. v > > elektroworldu v soping parku meli za 6Kc metr. vypadal uplne normale. dneska > > sem ho chtel pripajet a co se nestalo. stineni je z nevim coho a pajet nejde > > ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty > > tenke dratky ulame:(.... > > > > > > pak sem hchtel taky udelat neco malo stineni z hliniku. koupil sem si v GM > > "pajeci kapalina na hlinik". jak to mam pouzit? mylel sem ze se to proste > > namoci (nakape) a normalne se na to paji PbSn cinem...taky to neslo... vi > > nekdo co stim? > > > > > > dik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -------------------- > STYL TIP 04: NASLOUCHAT PAT?? K VYBRAN?M ZP?SOB?M, JAK DOSP?T DO C?LE. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.com/cze/model/fabia/default.htm > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Sep 11 21:13:59 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 21:14:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 Message-ID: <20040911201411Z1305854-19881+155924@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Hodza" > Komu: > Datum: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:41:16 +0200 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 > > > Message: 13 > > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:24:36 +0000 > > From: Karel Kulhav? > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] pajeni kablu > > To: Twibright Ronja > > Message-ID: <20040909202436.GA6014@beton.cybernet.src> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:35:52PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk > ?= wrote: > > > obesel sem v ostrave hafo obchodu a hledal sem nejlevnejsi koax. v > > > elektroworldu v soping parku meli za 6Kc metr. vypadal uplne normale. > dneska > > > sem ho chtel pripajet a co se nestalo. stineni je z nevim coho a pajet > nejde > > > ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty > > > tenke dratky ulame:(.... > > > > A je tam par tenkejch dratku nebo jenom hlinik? > > > > > > > > > > pak sem hchtel taky udelat neco malo stineni z hliniku. koupil sem si v > GM > > > "pajeci kapalina na hlinik". jak to mam pouzit? mylel sem ze se to > proste > > > namoci (nakape) a normalne se na to paji PbSn cinem...taky to neslo... > vi > > > nekdo co stim? > > > > S tim jsem v zivote nedelal ale taky by me zajimalo jestli je zpusob jak > > treba pomoci mekke pajky sletovat 2 hlinikove plechy k sobe. > > > > Cl< > > Jakekoliv draty, maticky, plech, sroubky a spol. /krome hlinikovych/, ktere > nelze napajet klasickym zpusobem se paji SPECIALNIM CINEM S KYSELINOU. /ten > se da alespon v Olomouci koupit/. Je to v podstate klasicka SnPb pajka s > tim, ze uprostred ma misto kalafuny je smes kyseliny. Pokud to nesezenete > tak je jednoducha alternativa - namocite to /lepe receno ponorite a hned > vytahnete/ do kyseliny chlorovodikove (HCL). Pozor - PRI PAJENI TO PRSKA DO > OCI a trosku to SMRDI :) Podle me je lepsi dratky namacet do kyseliny a pak > pajet nez kupovat silene drahy cin s kyselinou /tim se mi paji hur.../. tak sem si koupil kyselinu chlorovodikovou. je tam napsane kys. solna 30%. namocil sem do toho drat, vyndal, chvili sumel, a pak pyl polovini :/ :)... a pajet na to vubec neslo... neco sem slysel ze se v ni maji zozpustit zinkove plisky, co je na tom pravdy? mi se nezda ze by samotna kyselina pomohla pajeni..... pajel sem to PbSn pajkou, bezne v ni byva kalafuna, ta se ale vypalila:) > Posledni zpusob pouzivali myslim nasi dedeckove. Ja tak pajel napriklad > stare kabely od telefonniho sluchatka nebo CU draty kdyz jsem motal trafo. > Jednoduse vemete par dratku a zahrejete je a zaroven pritlacujete pajkou na > klasicky Acilpirin /na paralen to nefunguje :)/ Pokud Vam to smrdi po celym > byte pak pajite dobre... /tohle je fakt hnus na dychani ale funguje to/. > Hlinikove plechy se klasickou pajkou vicemene pajet nedaji a i s onou > kapalinou to jde velmi spatne. Bud se plech naleptava (podleptava) nebo to > proste vubec nedrzi. Da se tim spojit plech tak do 1mm tloustky maximalne > /ale drzi to silou vule/. Ja na to pouzivam klasickou fintu - budto to > nejdriv postribrim /coz jde pouze tou "drazssi kapalinou" - cca 3000Kc > 250ml/, nebo to pomedim (klasicka modra skalice a tvrdy zdroj konstantniho > proudu udela svoje...) > > caf Hodza > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Sep 11 21:31:13 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Sat Sep 11 21:31:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nove nastavovani ohniska References: <20040911182103Z1301214-19865+154416@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001d01c4983e$47fa3230$0103450a@thechosen> 180mV je pokud to je nove RX jako ze je dost bida ne? ikdyz je co kus to original Glo ------ kdyz sem delal trubky na tx a rx tak sem mel trochu starosti, ze se mi nepodari udelat drazky na posun elektroniky dost presne a ze se mi ledka dostane pod (nad, vedle) ohnisko. vyresil sem to tak, ze sem do 75mm trubky pouzil vicka od medu do jejichz stredu sem umistil ledku. vicka sedi v trubce akorat. do 90mm trubek sem vyrezal kolecka z kusu plovouci podlahy. cely modul i s vickama/koleckama sem prisruboval na zavitovou tyc ktera vede na zadni vicko. v nem je vyrezany zavit/napajena matka. otacenim tyce se elektronika i s ledkou posouva k/od cocky... viz http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/RxTx.JPG jde tam toho kousek videt. chci vedet jesi si myslite ze se to da pouzit, nebo jesi je to nejak nachylne vuci nejakym vlivum :) ja myslim ze ne :) jo,abych nedelal ze je to muj sqely ;) napad tam me inspiroval napad s konzervou od gulase, ale nevim kdo to mel.... spoj uz mame z poloviny zamereny (ja primam ale druha strana ne, ale asi to bude naka kravina...) RSSI mam na te jedne strane 180mV (coz je cekem nic moc, kdyz uvazuju ze na zemi slo dosahnout 3,5V,(ale nevim kdy to losovalo)ale je to moje prvni dilo,tak me omluvte :) ) delka spoje je 283m, TP kably dlouhe 2 a 3m. Rx je 2x SMD a tx 2x normal. _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat Sep 11 22:05:36 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sat Sep 11 22:05:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] vyznam 1n a 10n kondenzatoru? Message-ID: <20040911210536.GA3500@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Ahoj V rx a tx se cas od casu vyskytuji paralelne 100n a mensi kondenzatory. Jaky je jejich vyznam vzhledem k tomu, ze tolerance kapacity kondenzatoru je bezne 20%? Jinymi slovy, pokud 100n zmerim jako 110n, je treba tam davat jeste paralelne 10n (o 1n ani nemluve)? -- Ondrej Zajicek From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Sun Sep 12 02:33:51 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Sun Sep 12 02:24:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] vyznam 1n a 10n kondenzatoru? In-Reply-To: <20040911210536.GA3500@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040911210536.GA3500@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4143A77F.1040005@jkl.darktech.org> Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Ahoj > > V rx a tx se cas od casu vyskytuji paralelne 100n a mensi kondenzatory. > Jaky je jejich vyznam vzhledem k tomu, ze tolerance kapacity kondenzatoru > je bezne 20%? Jinymi slovy, pokud 100n zmerim jako 110n, je treba tam > davat jeste paralelne 10n (o 1n ani nemluve)? > > -- > Ondrej Zajicek > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > Teorie je takova, ze kazdy kodan ma jistou vlastni parazitni indukcnost a diky ni je jeho pouziti jakozto blokovaciho kondenzatoru, malo ucine. (Pro rezonancni kmitocty toho LC obvodu). Proto se k temto blokovacim kondenzatorum pridava jeste jeden, vetsinou zcela odlisne kapacity. Ten druhy kondenzator je take neidealni, ma take nejaky rezonancni kmitocet a s trochou stesti jiny nez ten prvni :-) Proste vic kondenzatoru, vic vi :-) From clock at twibright.com Sun Sep 12 06:01:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 06:02:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: help, please? In-Reply-To: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net> References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net> Message-ID: <20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 10:59:35PM +0100, spider wrote: > Hello Karel, > > I'm VERY sorry if I disturb you, but you seem like only one who can > help... > > When I turned twister on, yellow and red leds were glowing :( > I checked pcb and components visualy - everything seems to be ok.. > > manual says that there is some problem in 'transmitter path logic' ?! > > any ideas ? any help ? There is basically nothing in Twister that could go wrong. So that resolder all joints, the probable cause is that some joint is a cold join or some package is inserted the wrong way. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Sep 12 06:03:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 06:03:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] vyznam 1n a 10n kondenzatoru? In-Reply-To: <20040911210536.GA3500@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040911210536.GA3500@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040912050331.GB211@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 11:05:36PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Ahoj > > V rx a tx se cas od casu vyskytuji paralelne 100n a mensi kondenzatory. > Jaky je jejich vyznam vzhledem k tomu, ze tolerance kapacity kondenzatoru > je bezne 20%? Jinymi slovy, pokud 100n zmerim jako 110n, je treba tam > davat jeste paralelne 10n (o 1n ani nemluve)? To je kvuli parazitnim vlastnostem toho velkeho kondenzatoru. Nestiha pak filtrovat vysoke frekvence tak je tam jeste mensi, ktery je zvlada a prevezme je. Cl< > > -- > Ondrej Zajicek > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Sep 12 06:06:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 06:06:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nove nastavovani ohniska In-Reply-To: <20040911182103Z1301214-19865+154416@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040911182103Z1301214-19865+154416@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040912050618.GC211@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 08:21:00PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > kdyz sem delal trubky na tx a rx tak sem mel trochu starosti, ze se mi > nepodari udelat drazky na posun elektroniky dost presne a ze se mi ledka > dostane pod (nad, vedle) ohnisko. vyresil sem to tak, ze sem do 75mm trubky Tam zadne ohnisko co by se do nej musela ledka dat neni. Staci kdyz bude v ohniskove rovine blizko ohniska. Kdyz bude mimo ohnisko, paprsek pujde ven akorat trochu krive vzhledem k ose tubusu, coz je jedno, protoze se to dosteluje drzakem. Cl< > pouzil vicka od medu do jejichz stredu sem umistil ledku. vicka sedi v trubce > akorat. do 90mm trubek sem vyrezal kolecka z kusu plovouci podlahy. cely > modul i s vickama/koleckama sem prisruboval na zavitovou tyc ktera vede na > zadni vicko. v nem je vyrezany zavit/napajena matka. otacenim tyce se > elektronika i s ledkou posouva k/od cocky... viz > http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/RxTx.JPG jde tam toho kousek videt. > > chci vedet jesi si myslite ze se to da pouzit, nebo jesi je to nejak nachylne vuci nejakym vlivum :) ja myslim ze ne :) > jo,abych nedelal ze je to muj sqely ;) napad tam me inspiroval napad s konzervou od gulase, ale nevim kdo to mel.... > > spoj uz mame z poloviny zamereny (ja primam ale druha strana ne, ale asi to bude naka kravina...) RSSI mam na te jedne strane 180mV (coz je cekem nic moc, kdyz uvazuju ze na zemi slo dosahnout 3,5V,(ale nevim kdy to losovalo)ale je to moje prvni dilo,tak me omluvte :) ) delka spoje je 283m, TP kably dlouhe 2 a 3m. Rx je 2x SMD a tx 2x normal. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Sep 12 10:28:16 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 10:28:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky Message-ID: <20040912092828Z1300683-19883+161931@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:14:18 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > > > M?? od toho n?jak? pl?nky jak se to zmerguje > > No jak se to slije se stavajicim navrhem - predpokladam, ze jsi vsechno > nenavrhnul znovu od zacatku z te mechaniky. emm...ani ne. ja to okoukal z nakeho obrazku. kalsicky ty 2 elka mezi nima guma, 4srouby... ale az budu mit fotak (rodice si ho vzali na dovolenou) tak neco nafotim. neco je na http://www.sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/ ... ale neni tam ten hlavni stojan. sou to 2 vedle sebe svarene Ucka (vzhuru nohama) z nich couha trubka na ktere je upevnena cela serizovaci mechanika. ale z financnich duvodu moc nedoporucuji. tech Ucek bylo 38 Kg a platil sem 800Kc coz me sfinsky preqapilo:/..... mi se stim ale moc chlubit nechce, je to takove... nedokonale, hodne svaru, protoze sem nemel spravne L profily a tak :) > > Cl< > > > > nerozumim poslednimu slovu > > > > planek.... ja to zmeril sublerou, dal strycovi (on to uci, takze sem to nedelal uplne ja) on to vysoustruzil (nebo zaci,nevim) ja to dones domu, a sedelo to jako ulite. neco ale skusim zitra nakreslit > > > > >se st?vaj?c? mechanikou Ronji, ?e > > > by se to p??padn? dalo jako optional mechanika? > > > > co se tim mysli? (na me musis spis cesky, anglicky sem se neucil :((( ) > > > > Mechanika nepot?ebuj?c? > > > soustruh tam definitivn? mus? z?stat, proto?e soustruh doma prakticky nikdo > > > nem?. > > > > to chapu... ja sem vyuzil toho, ze ho mame ve sloke a ze tam mam dobre namosti :)) > > je to vyrobene z nake oceli, chtel sem to ze silonu, ale asi me stryc preslech...to je ale uz jedno.....:) > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040912/dacef24a/attachment-0001.htm From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Sep 12 10:30:26 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 10:30:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nove nastavovani ohniska Message-ID: <20040912093034Z1300833-19883+161949@mail.centrum.cz> hm..... taky z toho nejsem 3x stastny,ale aspon neco... mozna to este doladime... rikam, je to moje 1. dilo takze je to takove..... nedokonale :/..... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Mal??ek > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:31:13 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] nove nastavovani ohniska > > 180mV je pokud to je nove RX jako ze je dost bida ne? > ikdyz je co kus to original > > Glo > > ------ > > > kdyz sem delal trubky na tx a rx tak sem mel trochu starosti, ze se mi > nepodari udelat drazky na posun elektroniky dost presne a ze se mi ledka > dostane pod (nad, vedle) ohnisko. vyresil sem to tak, ze sem do 75mm trubky > pouzil vicka od medu do jejichz stredu sem umistil ledku. vicka sedi v > trubce akorat. do 90mm trubek sem vyrezal kolecka z kusu plovouci podlahy. > cely modul i s vickama/koleckama sem prisruboval na zavitovou tyc ktera vede > na zadni vicko. v nem je vyrezany zavit/napajena matka. otacenim tyce se > elektronika i s ledkou posouva k/od cocky... viz > http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/RxTx.JPG jde tam toho kousek videt. > > chci vedet jesi si myslite ze se to da pouzit, nebo jesi je to nejak > nachylne vuci nejakym vlivum :) ja myslim ze ne :) > jo,abych nedelal ze je to muj sqely ;) napad tam me inspiroval napad s > konzervou od gulase, ale nevim kdo to mel.... > > spoj uz mame z poloviny zamereny (ja primam ale druha strana ne, ale asi to > bude naka kravina...) RSSI mam na te jedne strane 180mV (coz je cekem nic > moc, kdyz uvazuju ze na zemi slo dosahnout 3,5V,(ale nevim kdy to > losovalo)ale je to moje prvni dilo,tak me omluvte :) ) delka spoje je 283m, > TP kably dlouhe 2 a 3m. Rx je 2x SMD a tx 2x normal. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Sep 12 10:36:56 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 10:38:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nove nastavovani ohniska Message-ID: <20040912093703Z1304661-19865+162277@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:06:18 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] nove nastavovani ohniska > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 08:21:00PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > kdyz sem delal trubky na tx a rx tak sem mel trochu starosti, ze se mi > > nepodari udelat drazky na posun elektroniky dost presne a ze se mi ledka > > dostane pod (nad, vedle) ohnisko. vyresil sem to tak, ze sem do 75mm trubky > > Tam zadne ohnisko co by se do nej musela ledka dat neni. Staci kdyz bude v > ohniskove rovine blizko ohniska. Kdyz bude mimo ohnisko, paprsek pujde ven > akorat trochu krive vzhledem k ose tubusu, coz je jedno, protoze se to > dosteluje drzakem. no jo, ale cim presneji, tim lip ne? :) stejne mi to pride jednodussi, nez tam vrtat drazky, hromadu sroubu do krabicek cpat... tak snis 2 sklinky medu:),do vicka vyvrtas dirky na kably, pripajis a hotove. uriznes zavit. tyc, pripajis matku na vicko a hotove.... > > Cl< > > pouzil vicka od medu do jejichz stredu sem umistil ledku. vicka sedi v trubce > > akorat. do 90mm trubek sem vyrezal kolecka z kusu plovouci podlahy. cely > > modul i s vickama/koleckama sem prisruboval na zavitovou tyc ktera vede na > > zadni vicko. v nem je vyrezany zavit/napajena matka. otacenim tyce se > > elektronika i s ledkou posouva k/od cocky... viz > > http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/RxTx.JPG jde tam toho kousek videt. > > > > > chci vedet jesi si myslite ze se to da pouzit, nebo jesi je to nejak nachylne vuci nejakym vlivum :) ja myslim ze ne :) > > jo,abych nedelal ze je to muj sqely ;) napad tam me inspiroval napad s konzervou od gulase, ale nevim kdo to mel.... > > > > spoj uz mame z poloviny zamereny (ja primam ale druha strana ne, ale asi to bude naka kravina...) RSSI mam na te jedne strane 180mV (coz je cekem nic moc, kdyz uvazuju ze na zemi slo dosahnout 3,5V,(ale nevim kdy to losovalo)ale je to moje prvni dilo,tak me omluvte :) ) delka spoje je 283m, TP kably dlouhe 2 a 3m. Rx je 2x SMD a tx 2x normal. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From mixaj at mymail.cz Sun Sep 12 10:54:00 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sun Sep 12 10:53:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour References: <20040911182103Z1301214-19865+154416@mail.centrum.cz> <20040912050618.GC211@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002701c498ae$6e135a30$fd02a8c0@diablo> Nejak mi to nejde stahnout... Prihlasil jsem se jako TWikiGuest (nemam tam registraci). Co je spatne? From Shamanu8 at web.de Sun Sep 12 11:56:39 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sun Sep 12 11:57:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: help, please? References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net> <20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <006601c498b7$39d16d80$0500a8c0@AIG1> > On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 10:59:35PM +0100, spider wrote: > > Hello Karel, > > > > I'm VERY sorry if I disturb you, but you seem like only one who can > > help... > > > > When I turned twister on, yellow and red leds were glowing :( > > I checked pcb and components visualy - everything seems to be ok.. > > > > manual says that there is some problem in 'transmitter path logic' ?! > > > > any ideas ? any help ? > > There is basically nothing in Twister that could go wrong. So that resolder > all joints, the probable cause is that some joint is a cold join or some > package is inserted the wrong way. > > Cl< I have the same problem. 2 twister's (airwire) built at the same time and on both the yellow and red leds are glowing... From Shamanu8 at web.de Sun Sep 12 12:14:19 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sun Sep 12 12:14:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Schematic connections References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net> <20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <006a01c498b9$a7a72fa0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Hello, I'm building the Ronja Tetrapolis. (all airwire) The connections from the 3 parts in the schematics are confusing me a littl bit: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.png http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png Transmitter: CON 12V goes to CONN53 +12V (Twister) CON GND goes to CONN53 GND (Twister) CON 1 (TX) goes to CONN53 TX (Twister) CON 1 Shield goes to CONN53 GND (Twister) Receiver: J103 (RX) goes to CONN53 RX (Twister) J103 Shield goes to CONN53 +12V (Twister) ?? J101 ? J102 ? J104 ? J105 ? Are the connections i wrote correct? And where goes J101...105? Marcel From polous at katka.biz Sun Sep 12 15:43:37 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Sep 12 12:39:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Schematic connections In-Reply-To: <006a01c498b9$a7a72fa0$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net> <20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src> <006a01c498b9$a7a72fa0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <41446099.70700@katka.biz> How-to connect picture by steebe is in thread with name like Zapojeni !!! ... try history, or I saved the picture on: http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/ronja_connect-steebe.png. But link is not 100%, becose it's my local machine and I shut it down sometimes. Maybe it's somwhere on ronja site, but I dont know where. .. (clock ??) p0l0us Shamanu8 wrote: >Hello, > >I'm building the Ronja Tetrapolis. (all airwire) >The connections from the 3 parts in the schematics are confusing me a littl >bit: > >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.png >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > >Transmitter: >CON 12V goes to CONN53 +12V (Twister) >CON GND goes to CONN53 GND (Twister) >CON 1 (TX) goes to CONN53 TX (Twister) >CON 1 Shield goes to CONN53 GND (Twister) > >Receiver: >J103 (RX) goes to CONN53 RX (Twister) >J103 Shield goes to CONN53 +12V (Twister) ?? >J101 ? >J102 ? >J104 ? >J105 ? > >Are the connections i wrote correct? And where goes J101...105? > >Marcel > > > From Shamanu8 at web.de Sun Sep 12 13:42:10 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sun Sep 12 13:42:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Schematic connections References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net> <20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src><006a01c498b9$a7a72fa0$0500a8c0@AIG1> <41446099.70700@katka.biz> Message-ID: <007601c498c5$ec747190$0500a8c0@AIG1> Thx alot, found it in the history. But what is RSSI ? (J104/J105 Receiver) Martin Polehla wrote: > How-to connect picture by steebe is in thread with name like Zapojeni > !!! ... try history, or I saved the picture on: > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/ronja_connect-steebe.png. But link > is not 100%, becose it's my local machine and I shut it down sometimes. > > Maybe it's somwhere on ronja site, but I dont know where. .. (clock ??) > > p0l0us > > > Shamanu8 wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I'm building the Ronja Tetrapolis. (all airwire) > >The connections from the 3 parts in the schematics are confusing me a littl > >bit: > > > >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.png > >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > > > >Transmitter: > >CON 12V goes to CONN53 +12V (Twister) > >CON GND goes to CONN53 GND (Twister) > >CON 1 (TX) goes to CONN53 TX (Twister) > >CON 1 Shield goes to CONN53 GND (Twister) > > > >Receiver: > >J103 (RX) goes to CONN53 RX (Twister) > >J103 Shield goes to CONN53 +12V (Twister) ?? > >J101 ? > >J102 ? > >J104 ? > >J105 ? > > > >Are the connections i wrote correct? And where goes J101...105? > > > >Marcel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kneza at poupe.net Sun Sep 12 13:50:58 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Sun Sep 12 13:51:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? Message-ID: <41444632.206@poupe.net> Ahoj, mam tu jedno tx co chodilo a prestalo... zkousel jsem postupne odpajet casti jednotlive a hledal kde je chyba.. problem je ten ze kdyz je zapojena dioda tak stabilizator ma na vstupu misto 12V 5.8V a leze z nej 4.2V misto 5ti.. kdepak muze byt chyba? kdyz odletuju diodu tak se to chova jak ma ;-) dodavam ze dioda kdyz je zapajena tak sviti i bez signalu ;-( zkrat jsem prohledal moc dobre a jak rikam fungovalo to ;-) Kneza From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun Sep 12 15:50:12 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun Sep 12 15:50:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? References: <41444632.206@poupe.net> Message-ID: <002d01c498d7$cf0ddf80$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> tak tu diodu vymen Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? > Ahoj, > mam tu jedno tx co chodilo a prestalo... > zkousel jsem postupne odpajet casti jednotlive a hledal kde je chyba.. > problem je ten ze kdyz je zapojena dioda tak stabilizator ma na vstupu > misto 12V 5.8V a leze z nej 4.2V misto 5ti.. > > kdepak muze byt chyba? kdyz odletuju diodu tak se to chova jak ma ;-) > dodavam ze dioda kdyz je zapajena tak sviti i bez signalu ;-( > > zkrat jsem prohledal moc dobre a jak rikam fungovalo to ;-) > > Kneza > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Sun Sep 12 15:52:57 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Sun Sep 12 15:53:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? In-Reply-To: <002d01c498d7$cf0ddf80$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <41444632.206@poupe.net> <002d01c498d7$cf0ddf80$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <414462C9.6000004@poupe.net> to jsem samozrejmne udelal hned jako prvni a bez reakce.. hlavni problem je v tom ze sviti i kdyz neni zapojenej datak a shodi to napeti na stabliku z 12ti na 6 a z 5ti na 4 zatim to vidim na mrtve brouky? Kneza Cipis wrote: > tak tu diodu vymen > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:50 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? > > > >>Ahoj, >>mam tu jedno tx co chodilo a prestalo... >>zkousel jsem postupne odpajet casti jednotlive a hledal kde je chyba.. >>problem je ten ze kdyz je zapojena dioda tak stabilizator ma na vstupu >>misto 12V 5.8V a leze z nej 4.2V misto 5ti.. >> >>kdepak muze byt chyba? kdyz odletuju diodu tak se to chova jak ma ;-) >>dodavam ze dioda kdyz je zapajena tak sviti i bez signalu ;-( >> >>zkrat jsem prohledal moc dobre a jak rikam fungovalo to ;-) >> >>Kneza >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Sun Sep 12 16:47:37 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Sun Sep 12 16:47:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? In-Reply-To: <414462C9.6000004@poupe.net> References: <41444632.206@poupe.net> <002d01c498d7$cf0ddf80$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <414462C9.6000004@poupe.net> Message-ID: <41446F99.5010507@poupe.net> vyreseno.. C16 zapojen nalevo od R10 namisto napravo ;-) Kneza Michal Knezourek wrote: > to jsem samozrejmne udelal hned jako prvni a bez reakce.. > > hlavni problem je v tom ze sviti i kdyz neni zapojenej datak a shodi to > napeti na stabliku z 12ti na 6 a z 5ti na 4 > > zatim to vidim na mrtve brouky? > Kneza > > > > Cipis wrote: > >> tak tu diodu vymen >> >> Cipis >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:50 PM >> Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? >> >> >> >>> Ahoj, >>> mam tu jedno tx co chodilo a prestalo... >>> zkousel jsem postupne odpajet casti jednotlive a hledal kde je chyba.. >>> problem je ten ze kdyz je zapojena dioda tak stabilizator ma na >>> vstupu misto 12V 5.8V a leze z nej 4.2V misto 5ti.. >>> >>> kdepak muze byt chyba? kdyz odletuju diodu tak se to chova jak ma ;-) >>> dodavam ze dioda kdyz je zapajena tak sviti i bez signalu ;-( >>> >>> zkrat jsem prohledal moc dobre a jak rikam fungovalo to ;-) >>> >>> Kneza >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Sep 12 16:53:31 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 16:54:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] proud do diody Message-ID: <20040912155346Z1302464-19865+166531@mail.centrum.cz> jeden Tx nam sviti nak min,ale neni to nak extra kriticke. na zemi mi to chodilo, v trubkach je ale problem zamerit 2. paprsek. rozebral sem trubku (porod) a zmeril jak velky I tece do diody. pri pripojenem koaxu bez paketu tece jenom 46mA. jak je to u druheho nevim, nechce se mi to rozebirat. mam zmenit ten jeji predradny odpor, aby teklo 65mA jak je psane v schematu? From andy at intercomp.info Sun Sep 12 17:13:21 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Sun Sep 12 17:02:30 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Twister=A0power=A0consumpcion?= In-Reply-To: <20040911200005.GD18943@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1515.195.205.177.214.1094931168.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040911200005.GD18943@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1081.195.205.177.214.1095005601.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> > At least one pin from the bottom sides seems to have too little solder - > almost > dry. Fix this. That was only picture effect, all is ok, but anyway I correct all solders. Bug is still present :( > http://www.intercomp.info/~johny/images/DSC00194.JPG > It is clearly soldered direcly into the board. > Can you provide a photo where the voltage regulator is visible completely? > Was it plastic in, metal out or metal in, plastic out? Voltage regulator, you mean U68 ??? (I have L7805CV, plastic in front, and metal in back....) > You are having sockets there. Are they precision sockets? If not, there's > a chance some of them don't conduct. If they are precision, the chance is > smaller, but is still there, because it's not a gold-to-gold contact. > > Try cleaning them with contact cleaner spray according to spray > manufacturer's > instructions. Sockets are good. To this time, I done in fact 3 Twisters. One on my own PCB, and two on PCB's from Horky. In three cases there is the same problem: 320mA and very HOT AM26ls32 and 31. It is VERYYYYY small chance that I done some mistakaes. Are you shoure AM26LS32ACN and 31 are good ? I done an experiment. I get out this IC's and plug the power with amhermeter without this IC's. And Twister take 175 mA...... Anyway , tomorow I will buy DS26LS32 and 31, and I we will see.... From andy at intercomp.info Sun Sep 12 17:16:47 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Sun Sep 12 17:05:24 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Re:=A0help=2C=A0please=3F?= In-Reply-To: <006601c498b7$39d16d80$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net><20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src> <006601c498b7$39d16d80$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <1084.195.205.177.214.1095005807.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> I had also the same problem in airwire Twister!!! In my case, also PC or switch didn't saw twister (cabble unpluged) >> On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 10:59:35PM +0100, spider wrote: >> > Hello Karel, >> > >> > I'm VERY sorry if I disturb you, but you seem like only one who can >> > help... >> > >> > When I turned twister on, yellow and red leds were glowing :( >> > I checked pcb and components visualy - everything seems to be ok.. >> > >> > manual says that there is some problem in 'transmitter path logic' >> ?! >> > >> > any ideas ? any help ? >> >> There is basically nothing in Twister that could go wrong. So that > resolder >> all joints, the probable cause is that some joint is a cold join or some >> package is inserted the wrong way. >> >> Cl< > > I have the same problem. > 2 twister's (airwire) built at the same time and on both the yellow and > red > leds are glowing... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Sep 12 17:14:02 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 17:14:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: help, please? In-Reply-To: <1084.195.205.177.214.1095005807.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net><20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src> <006601c498b7$39d16d80$0500a8c0@AIG1> <1084.195.205.177.214.1095005807.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <414475CA.7030703@sattnet.cz> Andrzej K. napsal(a): >I had also the same problem in airwire Twister!!! >In my case, also PC or switch didn't saw twister (cabble unpluged) > > > Me too, but in my case was shifting jumpers sufficient. Red LED glowed only in some jumpers (switches) placing. >>>On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 10:59:35PM +0100, spider wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hello Karel, >>>> >>>> I'm VERY sorry if I disturb you, but you seem like only one who can >>>> help... >>>> >>>> When I turned twister on, yellow and red leds were glowing :( >>>> I checked pcb and components visualy - everything seems to be ok.. >>>> >>>> manual says that there is some problem in 'transmitter path logic' >>>> >>>> >>>?! >>> >>> >>>> any ideas ? any help ? >>>> >>>> >>>There is basically nothing in Twister that could go wrong. So that >>> >>> >>resolder >> >> >>>all joints, the probable cause is that some joint is a cold join or some >>>package is inserted the wrong way. >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>> >>I have the same problem. >>2 twister's (airwire) built at the same time and on both the yellow and >>red >>leds are glowing... >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Sep 12 17:21:22 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 17:21:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: help, please? In-Reply-To: <1084.195.205.177.214.1095005807.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net><20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src> <006601c498b7$39d16d80$0500a8c0@AIG1> <1084.195.205.177.214.1095005807.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <41447782.8070307@sattnet.cz> Andrzej K. napsal(a): >I had also the same problem in airwire Twister!!! >In my case, also PC or switch didn't saw twister (cabble unpluged) > > > Me too, but in my case was shifting jumpers sufficient. Red LED glowed only in some jumpers (switches) placing. Mistake - problem was that NIC not seems to be in 10Mbps FullDuplex mode. >>>On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 10:59:35PM +0100, spider wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hello Karel, >>>> >>>> I'm VERY sorry if I disturb you, but you seem like only one who can >>>> help... >>>> >>>> When I turned twister on, yellow and red leds were glowing :( >>>> I checked pcb and components visualy - everything seems to be ok.. >>>> >>>> manual says that there is some problem in 'transmitter path logic' >>>> >>>> >>>?! >>> >>> >>>> any ideas ? any help ? >>>> >>>> >>>There is basically nothing in Twister that could go wrong. So that >>> >>> >>resolder >> >> >>>all joints, the probable cause is that some joint is a cold join or some >>>package is inserted the wrong way. >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>> >>I have the same problem. >>2 twister's (airwire) built at the same time and on both the yellow and >>red >>leds are glowing... >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sun Sep 12 17:43:05 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sun Sep 12 17:43:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky In-Reply-To: <20040912092828Z1300683-19883+161931@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040912092828Z1300683-19883+161931@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1095007385.41447c991f7b5@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Neptal ses soustruznika na kolik takova obrocka prijde? Ja jsem je delal za silonu a material na jednu do 75mm roury prijde na 50-70Kc a 110mm na 100-130Kc podle toho jak se nakoupi a kolik se toho zmrvi. From polous at katka.biz Sun Sep 12 20:51:18 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Sep 12 17:47:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Schematic connections In-Reply-To: <007601c498c5$ec747190$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net> <20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src><006a01c498b9$a7a72fa0$0500a8c0@AIG1> <41446099.70700@katka.biz> <007601c498c5$ec747190$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <4144A8B6.7080703@katka.biz> RSSI is signal strengh indicator (4V-0V). Shamanu8 wrote: >Thx alot, found it in the history. > >But what is RSSI ? (J104/J105 Receiver) > > >Martin Polehla wrote: > > > > From steebe at seznam.cz Sun Sep 12 17:53:00 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sun Sep 12 17:53:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky References: <20040912092828Z1300683-19883+161931@mail.centrum.cz> <1095007385.41447c991f7b5@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <002201c498e8$f6a157a0$0581000a@steebe> Ja mel silon zadara :) . Udelali mi to v praci na soustruhu ale odhad toho materialu je podle mne ponekud drazsi ! zaslech sem ze kolem 1 tisice . pry ta stangle ze ktery to delali byla celkem draha a ja je mel tlustejsi aby to bylo opravdu kolmo , cim by si mel hubenejsi tim by ta obruc mohla byt vlozena sikmo takze pro jistotu je mam 5 cm siroky :) a jako by to nestacilo nechal sem si vyject jeste tenky obroucky do kterych sem si udelal vytapeni a zvenku je posadil na cocku . samozrejme vse zapatlano silikonem http://images.twibright.com/tns/1052.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky Neptal ses soustruznika na kolik takova obrocka prijde? Ja jsem je delal za silonu a material na jednu do 75mm roury prijde na 50-70Kc a 110mm na 100-130Kc podle toho jak se nakoupi a kolik se toho zmrvi. _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Sep 12 18:18:04 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 18:18:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky Message-ID: <20040912171812Z1301207-19881+168314@mail.centrum.cz> kdyz je soustruznik stryc a dela to ze skolniho materialu tak se neptas :)) ale kazdopadne mi ta tvoje cena pride docela velka..... ale zas je fakt, ze je z toho dost odpadu, musis vyhodit cely ten vnitrek toho kolecka..... vim ze kdyz sme v prvaku a druhaku meli neco malo strojnich dilen, tak nam dycky ucitele rikali ze "je tady zakazka pro skolu, musime udelat to a to.." nebo sme jednou frezovali cisla na dvere nake firme... tak bych se mozna moh zeptat, jestli by neco takoveho slo udelat. ze by se zaplatil material a zaci by to vlastne zadarmo udelali.... mozna by to slo....na necem se ty decka ucit musi,ze :). a jestli to bude +-0,5mm vetsi nebo mensi... na tom ani nesejde..... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:43:05 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > Neptal ses soustruznika na kolik takova obrocka prijde? > Ja jsem je delal za silonu a material na jednu do 75mm roury prijde na 50-70Kc a > 110mm na 100-130Kc podle toho jak se nakoupi a kolik se toho zmrvi. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Sep 12 18:25:04 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 18:25:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky Message-ID: <20040912172513Z1302639-19881+168392@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Steebe" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:53:00 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > Ja mel silon zadara :) . Udelali mi to v praci na soustruhu ale odhad toho > materialu je podle mne ponekud drazsi ! zaslech sem ze kolem 1 tisice . > pry ta stangle ze ktery to delali byla celkem draha to snad ne... rek bych ze to byl naky spesl silon, a ze meli treba naky zbytek nebo neco.... to prece memuze byt tak drahe ..... otazna jak byla velka, ze, ale.... :) a ja je mel tlustejsi > aby to bylo opravdu kolmo , cim by si mel hubenejsi tim by ta obruc mohla > byt vlozena sikmo takze pro jistotu je mam 5 cm siroky :) tak to sis mel nechat udelat celou trubku :) > a jako by to nestacilo nechal sem si vyject jeste tenky obroucky do kterych > sem si udelal vytapeni a zvenku je posadil na cocku . lezi ti ty odpory primo na cocce? z obru to neni zrejme.... samozrejme vse > zapatlano silikonem jo, tak to se tes az to budes rozebirat. ja ted rozdelaval Tx a vzadu sem mel lehce zapalanoou spunt 10mm tlusty... zadek trubky je ojety jak...tri tecky > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1052.html > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > > Neptal ses soustruznika na kolik takova obrocka prijde? > Ja jsem je delal za silonu a material na jednu do 75mm roury prijde na > 50-70Kc a > 110mm na 100-130Kc podle toho jak se nakoupi a kolik se toho zmrvi. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From steebe at seznam.cz Sun Sep 12 18:29:58 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sun Sep 12 18:30:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky References: <20040912171812Z1301207-19881+168314@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <003b01c498ee$26a5e060$0581000a@steebe> Mno :) Krabky na Twistra nam delali taky na skole :) mame stesti ze na siti je jejich mistr odborneho vycviku . material zadara a prace taky :).. akorat to neni z pocinovanyho plechu ale z normalniho a trochu to rezne. me se tu vali jeste par krabek . Kazdopadne dobry napad obejit nejakou skolu a nabidnout jim to na praci par kusu . Urcite to prijde levnejc a mozna i rychlejc kdyz na to maj zarizeni . ted uz vytypovat skolu kde udelaj celou mechaniku na ronju :) Pamatuju si ze prvni roky na ucnaku byly kruty na pilovani a rezani :) .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky kdyz je soustruznik stryc a dela to ze skolniho materialu tak se neptas :)) ale kazdopadne mi ta tvoje cena pride docela velka..... ale zas je fakt, ze je z toho dost odpadu, musis vyhodit cely ten vnitrek toho kolecka..... vim ze kdyz sme v prvaku a druhaku meli neco malo strojnich dilen, tak nam dycky ucitele rikali ze "je tady zakazka pro skolu, musime udelat to a to.." nebo sme jednou frezovali cisla na dvere nake firme... tak bych se mozna moh zeptat, jestli by neco takoveho slo udelat. ze by se zaplatil material a zaci by to vlastne zadarmo udelali.... mozna by to slo....na necem se ty decka ucit musi,ze :). a jestli to bude +-0,5mm vetsi nebo mensi... na tom ani nesejde..... From steebe at seznam.cz Sun Sep 12 18:38:40 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sun Sep 12 18:38:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky References: <20040912172513Z1302639-19881+168392@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <004801c498ef$5895e240$0581000a@steebe> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky to snad ne... rek bych ze to byl naky spesl silon, a ze meli treba naky zbytek nebo neco.... to prece memuze byt tak drahe ..... otazna jak byla velka, ze, ale.... :) mel sem 10 cm roury lezi ti ty odpory primo na cocce? z obru to neni zrejme.... Dobry postreh :) tohle je jedina hlavice kterou sme po*rali :)) protoze se tam ten krouzek dal opacne a odpory sou tak 1 mm nad cockou trochu sme je pomackali k cocce :) uz to bylo zapatlany a cela roura by byla od silikonu tak sme to tak nechali . odpory i tak zahrivaji celkem dost cocku . a po par minutach prvniho "zahoreni" bylo i videt jak se odpory vysusujou a nebo se barva z nich opalovala :) .. mno a cocky to nepatrne mlzilo kolem odporu :) jo, tak to se tes az to budes rozebirat. ja ted rozdelaval Tx a vzadu sem mel lehce zapalanoou spunt 10mm tlusty... zadek trubky je ojety jak...tri tecky > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1052.html > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > > Neptal ses soustruznika na kolik takova obrocka prijde? > Ja jsem je delal za silonu a material na jednu do 75mm roury prijde na > 50-70Kc a > 110mm na 100-130Kc podle toho jak se nakoupi a kolik se toho zmrvi. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Shamanu8 at web.de Sun Sep 12 20:19:14 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sun Sep 12 20:19:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: help, please? References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net><20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src> <006601c498b7$39d16d80$0500a8c0@AIG1><1084.195.205.177.214.1095005807.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <41447782.8070307@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <011101c498fd$66df6200$0500a8c0@AIG1> David Sedl??ek wrote: >Mistake - problem was that NIC not seems to be in 10Mbps FullDuplex mode In my case the yellow and red leds are glowing without NIC connected. I had only the power suply wired. From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Sep 12 21:33:09 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 21:34:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] konecne!!! Message-ID: <20040912203317Z1300686-19883+170509@mail.centrum.cz> tak se mi konecne, po asi 2 letech splnil sen. funguje mi ronja :DD je to sice zatim jenom 283m, RSSI 230 a 350 mV,ale este to mozna doladime. moc diky vsem co mi davali dobre rady a podporovali jak fyzicky, tak psichycky :)) .... du spat.... ale asi z toho neusnu :)) From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Sep 12 21:55:31 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sun Sep 12 21:55:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky References: <20040912092828Z1300683-19883+161931@mail.centrum.cz><1095007385.41447c991f7b5@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <002201c498e8$f6a157a0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <004501c4990a$d762de00$0103450a@thechosen> drzi vubec silicon na tom silonu? podle me ten silon je docela neprilnavy k jakemu koliv lepidlu. Glo > Ja mel silon zadara :) . Udelali mi to v praci na soustruhu ale odhad toho > materialu je podle mne ponekud drazsi ! zaslech sem ze kolem 1 tisice . > pry ta stangle ze ktery to delali byla celkem draha a ja je mel tlustejsi > aby to bylo opravdu kolmo , cim by si mel hubenejsi tim by ta obruc mohla > byt vlozena sikmo takze pro jistotu je mam 5 cm siroky :) > a jako by to nestacilo nechal sem si vyject jeste tenky obroucky do kterych > sem si udelal vytapeni a zvenku je posadil na cocku . samozrejme vse > zapatlano silikonem > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1052.html > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > > Neptal ses soustruznika na kolik takova obrocka prijde? > Ja jsem je delal za silonu a material na jednu do 75mm roury prijde na > 50-70Kc a > 110mm na 100-130Kc podle toho jak se nakoupi a kolik se toho zmrvi. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kneza at poupe.net Sun Sep 12 21:57:06 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Sun Sep 12 21:57:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] konecne!!! In-Reply-To: <20040912203317Z1300686-19883+170509@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040912203317Z1300686-19883+170509@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <4144B822.3080204@poupe.net> gratuluji!!!! ale to rssi by mohlo byt tak 10x vetsi aspon na tu vzdalenost, ne? ;-) brou noc :D Kneza Jakub Michn?k wrote: > tak se mi konecne, po asi 2 letech splnil sen. funguje mi ronja :DD je to sice zatim jenom 283m, RSSI 230 a 350 mV,ale este to mozna doladime. > > moc diky vsem co mi davali dobre rady a podporovali jak fyzicky, tak psichycky :)) .... du spat.... ale asi z toho neusnu :)) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Sep 13 00:13:29 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Sep 13 00:13:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hodnota RSSI In-Reply-To: <200409101431.47582.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200409101431.47582.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <7819104208.20040913011329@volny.cz> Zdravim, Moje linka: PZ> Typ RSSI (stare /nove) Nove (=dve diody), na jedne strane DPS SMD na druhe hnizdo PZ> Delka linky 743m PZ> Prumer optiky 130mm PZ> hodnota rssi 2V hnizdo, 2.5V DPS SMD PZ> dosah na stole bez optiky 3.6m - 4.1m PZ> hodnota rssi pri ktere se zacne objevovat paketloss. 30 - 60mV PZ> Pokud nekdo nebude znat vsechno nevadi, napiste mi jakoukoliv informaci z vyse PZ> uvedenych. Jeste jedna linka na cca. 600m vse na DPS SMD Plati pro ni v podstate to same, RSSI je na obou stranach 2.5V, chodi to od 30mV. O jedne svoji lince nevim a jedna na 1.2km stale nejede (je postavena na nejstarsich klasika DPS). Ahoj OndraT From schum at seznam.cz Mon Sep 13 07:27:18 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 07:27:31 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20obruce=20na=20cocky?= In-Reply-To: <004501c4990a$d762de00$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <189706.598256-18317-1289742978-1095056837@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Michal Malusek" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky Datum (Date): 12. 9. 2004 22:55 ================================================== > drzi vubec silicon na tom silonu? podle me ten silon je docela neprilnavy k > jakemu koliv lepidlu. > > Glo Taky jsem pouzil na prvni pokusy silon, silikon na nem NEEDRZI, cocky se po 2 mesicich odlepily, na skle a na trubce to drzi samozrejme dobre. Pouzity silikon sanitarni pruhledny Mirek From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Sep 13 07:40:07 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Sep 13 07:51:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <000501c49911$3d320ac0$0501a8c0@hodza> References: <200409092034.WAA09104@raven.upol.cz> <000501c49911$3d320ac0$0501a8c0@hodza> Message-ID: <151742518.20040913084007@volny.cz> >> S tim jsem v zivote nedelal ale taky by me zajimalo jestli je zpusob jak >> treba pomoci mekke pajky sletovat 2 hlinikove plechy k sobe. >> >> Cl< Slysel jsem tento postup: Dat na ten plech vazelinu, a pres vrstvu vazeliny to zacit smirglovat. Vrstvu je nutne stale udrzovat, protoze se to musi osmirglovat a pritom k tomu nesmi prijit kyslik. No a kdyz se to udela, tak se normalni pajkou paji primo do te vazeliny. Pry to chytne. Nakonec se sundaji zbytky te vazeliny.... Nezkousel jsem to. OndraT From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Sep 13 08:10:03 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Sep 13 08:10:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sunlight interference? In-Reply-To: <20040909100632.GD4253@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1094722475.414023abc2115@montha.psu.ac.th> <20040909100632.GD4253@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <493538999.20040913091003@volny.cz> We have link, where the Sun shines in optical axis and it goes OK. Without any errors. OndraT KK> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 04:34:35PM +0700, phanumas@ratree.psu.ac.th wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Does sunlight seriously interfer Ronja FSO transceiver at all? >> >> We here have quite strong sunlight over a long period of time everyday. Should >> that significantly degrade the performance of the system? Any designs or >> considerations to reduce such effect. KK> It matters only when sun is close to optical axis. As the links are typically KK> horizontal, this occurs only in sunset or sunrise and only in that year KK> times when sun rises or sets near the azimuth of the link. KK> High noon sun doesn't matter at all. KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Sep 13 08:14:15 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Sep 13 08:14:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu In-Reply-To: <001c01c496ae$1a70ea20$0581000a@steebe> References: <20040909183605Z1306549-19865+112587@mail.centrum.cz> <001c01c496ae$1a70ea20$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <1333790429.20040913091415@volny.cz> Dve izolace myslis stred, izolace, oplet, izolace, oplet, izolace? Kde se to kupuje? Vim ze to vypada takto: http://www.mohawk-cdt.com/prod/broad-14.html ale neumim to sehnat v Praze v metrazi. Nejmene 1000m. Nevite nekdo kam na to? Ondra S> Nekupuj nejlevnejsi :) RG - 59 je perfektni a mame ji dokonce s dvema S> izolacema :) S> ----- Original Message ----- S> From: "Jakub Michn?k" S> To: S> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:35 PM S> Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu >> obesel sem v ostrave hafo obchodu a hledal sem nejlevnejsi koax. v S> elektroworldu v soping parku meli za 6Kc metr. vypadal uplne normale. dneska S> sem ho chtel pripajet a co se nestalo. stineni je z nevim coho a pajet nejde S> ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty S> tenke dratky ulame:(.... >> >> pak sem hchtel taky udelat neco malo stineni z hliniku. koupil sem si v GM S> "pajeci kapalina na hlinik". jak to mam pouzit? mylel sem ze se to proste S> namoci (nakape) a normalne se na to paji PbSn cinem...taky to neslo... vi S> nekdo co stim? >> >> dik >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja S> _______________________________________________ S> Ronja mailing list S> Ronja@lists.pointless.net S> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Sep 13 08:15:54 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Sep 13 08:16:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] test spojeni In-Reply-To: <006701c496b0$47b792c0$0581000a@steebe> References: <006701c496b0$47b792c0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <1553889380.20040913091554@volny.cz> Treba to ze to neni v stinenych krabickach, nebo ze to do nich neni pripajene. Jinak jsi uvedl celkem malo indicii. Ondra S> Mam tu dalsi Ronjitko . na zemi . S> mam tu maly problem . S> vse zapojim na podlaze metr od sebe . S> dam RX naproti TX a na Twistru mi zhasne zelena dioda ( jak bylo psano RX chyta 1Mhz signal) ale ping neproleze . spojeni Twister Twister prez 3 kabilky bylo uspesne a jelo v pohode . cim to S> muze byt ? zeby to BFko bylo odpaleny ? Muze se to takhle chovat ? S> Merici body budu merit zitra . From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Sep 13 08:19:04 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Sep 13 08:19:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hodnota RSSI In-Reply-To: <4141D8A4.8090907@katka.biz> References: <200409101431.47582.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <4141D8A4.8090907@katka.biz> Message-ID: <234079799.20040913091904@volny.cz> Ja taky testuju tak, ze jedu 2m tam, pak zrcedlo d=20cm a 2m zpet. Nevidim na tom nic spatneho a vejdu se lepe do pokoje. Ondra MP> Bohuzel vetsina z nich mi nic presnyho nerekla - jen ellite mi MP> prozradil, ze jeho ronja behala na zemi na cca 5metru [ale neverim, ze MP> ma tak velky pokojicek]. From spider at fonoc.net Mon Sep 13 08:29:00 2004 From: spider at fonoc.net (spider) Date: Mon Sep 13 08:29:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sunlight interference? In-Reply-To: <493538999.20040913091003@volny.cz> References: <1094722475.414023abc2115@montha.psu.ac.th> <20040909100632.GD4253@beton.cybernet.src> <493538999.20040913091003@volny.cz> Message-ID: <891188018.20040913092900@fonoc.net> Hello Ondrej, shouldn't that melt diodes in tube ? since with that lens and sun you can put paper and wood on flames :) Monday, September 13, 2004, 9:10:03 AM, you wrote: OT> We have link, where the Sun shines in optical axis and it goes OK. OT> Without any errors. OT> OndraT KK>> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 04:34:35PM +0700, KK>> phanumas@ratree.psu.ac.th wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Does sunlight seriously interfer Ronja FSO transceiver at all? >>> >>> We here have quite strong sunlight over a long period of time everyday. Should >>> that significantly degrade the performance of the system? Any designs or >>> considerations to reduce such effect. KK>> It matters only when sun is close to optical axis. As the links are typically KK>> horizontal, this occurs only in sunset or sunrise and only in that year KK>> times when sun rises or sets near the azimuth of the link. KK>> High noon sun doesn't matter at all. -- Best regards, spider mailto:spider@fonoc.net From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Sep 13 14:57:54 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 14:58:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky 130mm In-Reply-To: <1333790429.20040913091415@volny.cz> References: <20040909183605Z1306549-19865+112587@mail.centrum.cz> <001c01c496ae$1a70ea20$0581000a@steebe> <1333790429.20040913091415@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4145A762.6080902@sattnet.cz> Nemate nekdo 2 kuy 130mm ODZKOUSENYCH (nejakym zpusobem ;-)) cocek? Do Prahy se nedostanu a na trznici to tezko nejako odzkousim :-(. Diky -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 13 16:47:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Sep 13 16:47:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour In-Reply-To: <002701c498ae$6e135a30$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040911182103Z1301214-19865+154416@mail.centrum.cz> <20040912050618.GC211@beton.cybernet.src> <002701c498ae$6e135a30$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040913154717.GC24706@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 11:54:00AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Nejak mi to nejde stahnout... > > Prihlasil jsem se jako TWikiGuest (nemam tam registraci). Me to jde stahnout aniz bych se prihlasoval. Cl< > > Co je spatne? > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Sep 13 17:05:01 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 17:05:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 1150m spoj ve Zdare nad Sazavou In-Reply-To: <20040913154717.GC24706@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040911182103Z1301214-19865+154416@mail.centrum.cz> <20040912050618.GC211@beton.cybernet.src> <002701c498ae$6e135a30$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040913154717.GC24706@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4145C52D.5050602@sattnet.cz> Zdarvim. Asi pred ctyrmy dny jsme "rozchodili" 1150m dlouhy spoj. Sice to neni jeste 100%ni, ceka me vymena cocek u obou prijimacu, ukazaly se jako shitoidni, ale zejmena vecer a kdyz je sero jede 10Mbit FD (male RSSI kvuli utlumu krivych, zelenych cocek). Nechci psat moje pripominky a rady, protoze jich je zde vice nez dost, dekuji take Petru Zapadlovi za pomoc pri zamerovani ;-). Na obou stranach pouzita optika - 13cm cocky ala vietnam, vysilaci led HPWT-BD00-E4000, prijimaci SFH203, Rx Tx moduly v hnizdu, interface Twister na PCB. Podotykam, ze mam mechaniku presne dle clocka ;-), coz jsem v galerce videl jen spore. foto zde - http://web.wifistar.net/ronja -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From mixaj at mymail.cz Mon Sep 13 17:28:52 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Mon Sep 13 17:28:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour References: <20040911182103Z1301214-19865+154416@mail.centrum.cz><20040912050618.GC211@beton.cybernet.src><002701c498ae$6e135a30$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040913154717.GC24706@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000f01c499ae$c63667b0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Ta to me ne... Jdu na stranku: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/DownloadRonja Kdyz chci stahnout "Ronja Guide with Tour" kliknu na polozku action a chce to login. Tak jsem pouzil login TWikiGuest with password guest. Dostal jsem se na stranku http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/attach/Main/DownloadRonja?filename=download_r onja_guide_tour&revInfo=1 Kdyz kliknu na view verze 1,2 objevi se mi stranka s timto textem (to same se objevi ikdyz kliknu na odkaz download_ronja_guide_tour pod polozkou atachment: if [ $# -eq 0 ] then echo "Usage: $0 directory_to_be_created_and_filled" exit 1 fi if [ -e $1 ] then echo "$1 exists. Supply a directory that doesn't exist " >&2 exit 1 fi mkdir $1 cd $1 rm -rf ronja.twibright.com images.twibright.com wget -EHrk -l inf -Dronja.twibright.com http://ronja.twibright.com find . -name '*.html' -type f -exec grep -o \ "http://images.twibright.com/tns/[^/]*\.html" "{}" ";" | sort | uniq > urls wget -nc -Ekpr -l 1 -i urls rm urls cd .. Jak to mam tedy stahnout????????????? Diky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour > On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 11:54:00AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Nejak mi to nejde stahnout... > > > > Prihlasil jsem se jako TWikiGuest (nemam tam registraci). > > Me to jde stahnout aniz bych se prihlasoval. > > Cl< > > > > Co je spatne? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.868 (20040910) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 13 17:55:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 17:56:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour In-Reply-To: <000f01c499ae$c63667b0$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040913154717.GC24706@beton.cybernet.src> <000f01c499ae$c63667b0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040913165546.GA24906@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 06:28:52PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Ta to me ne... > Jdu na stranku: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/DownloadRonja > > Kdyz chci stahnout "Ronja Guide with Tour" kliknu na polozku action a chce > to login. Tak jsem pouzil login TWikiGuest with password guest. > > Dostal jsem se na stranku > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/attach/Main/DownloadRonja?filename=download_r > onja_guide_tour&revInfo=1 > > Kdyz kliknu na view verze 1,2 objevi se mi stranka s timto textem (to same > se objevi ikdyz kliknu na odkaz download_ronja_guide_tour pod polozkou > atachment: > > if [ $# -eq 0 ] > then > echo "Usage: $0 directory_to_be_created_and_filled" > exit 1 > fi > if [ -e $1 ] > then > echo "$1 exists. Supply a directory that doesn't exist " >&2 > exit 1 > fi > mkdir $1 > cd $1 > > rm -rf ronja.twibright.com images.twibright.com > wget -EHrk -l inf -Dronja.twibright.com http://ronja.twibright.com > find . -name '*.html' -type f -exec grep -o \ > "http://images.twibright.com/tns/[^/]*\.html" "{}" ";" | sort | uniq > urls > wget -nc -Ekpr -l 1 -i urls > rm urls > cd .. > Jak to mam tedy stahnout????????????? No - to co jsi vypsal to uz je ten skript co se ma stahnout :) Cl< > Diky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour > > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 11:54:00AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > Nejak mi to nejde stahnout... > > > > > > Prihlasil jsem se jako TWikiGuest (nemam tam registraci). > > > > Me to jde stahnout aniz bych se prihlasoval. > > > > Cl< > > > > > > Co je spatne? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.868 (20040910) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From steebe at seznam.cz Mon Sep 13 18:04:41 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Mon Sep 13 18:04:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu References: <20040909183605Z1306549-19865+112587@mail.centrum.cz><001c01c496ae$1a70ea20$0581000a@steebe> <1333790429.20040913091415@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002001c499b3$c5a07700$0581000a@steebe> :-) Mno dve IZOLACE nejsou stineni ! myslel sem stred (zila lanka) ,dialektrikum , oplet , izolace pracovni , izolace vnejsi , ta izolace bude nejaky PVC nebo PE .... proste to hodne dlouho vydrzi venku :) tak zas tak drahy kabl sem nemyslel :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] pajeni kablu Dve izolace myslis stred, izolace, oplet, izolace, oplet, izolace? Kde se to kupuje? Vim ze to vypada takto: http://www.mohawk-cdt.com/prod/broad-14.html ale neumim to sehnat v Praze v metrazi. Nejmene 1000m. Nevite nekdo kam na to? Ondra S> Nekupuj nejlevnejsi :) RG - 59 je perfektni a mame ji dokonce s dvema S> izolacema :) S> ----- Original Message ----- S> From: "Jakub Michn?k" S> To: S> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:35 PM S> Subject: [Ronja] pajeni kablu >> obesel sem v ostrave hafo obchodu a hledal sem nejlevnejsi koax. v S> elektroworldu v soping parku meli za 6Kc metr. vypadal uplne normale. dneska S> sem ho chtel pripajet a co se nestalo. stineni je z nevim coho a pajet nejde S> ani za mak... nevite jak na to? cokoladu se mi tam cpat nechce, bo mi ty S> tenke dratky ulame:(.... >> >> pak sem hchtel taky udelat neco malo stineni z hliniku. koupil sem si v GM S> "pajeci kapalina na hlinik". jak to mam pouzit? mylel sem ze se to proste S> namoci (nakape) a normalne se na to paji PbSn cinem...taky to neslo... vi S> nekdo co stim? >> >> dik >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja S> _______________________________________________ S> Ronja mailing list S> Ronja@lists.pointless.net S> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From steebe at seznam.cz Mon Sep 13 18:07:13 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Mon Sep 13 18:07:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] test spojeni References: <006701c496b0$47b792c0$0581000a@steebe> <1553889380.20040913091554@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002701c499b4$1f2814e0$0581000a@steebe> Je to v krabickach . vypada to jako kdyby to fachalo ale nefacha :) test pointy sem jeste nedelal . mel sem to chvilku na zemi sestaveny ale neni moc casu takze to slo stranou . :-( reagovalo to prave jen tim ze to chytlo ten signal z TXka a zelena diodka na twistru zhasla jak sem uz psal . o vejkendu se zas na to vrhnu .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] test spojeni > Treba to ze to neni v stinenych krabickach, nebo ze to do nich neni > pripajene. Jinak jsi uvedl celkem malo indicii. > > Ondra > > S> Mam tu dalsi Ronjitko . na zemi . > S> mam tu maly problem . > > S> vse zapojim na podlaze metr od sebe . > S> dam RX naproti TX a na Twistru mi zhasne zelena dioda ( jak bylo psano RX chyta 1Mhz signal) ale ping neproleze . spojeni Twister Twister prez 3 kabilky bylo uspesne a jelo v pohode . cim to > S> muze byt ? zeby to BFko bylo odpaleny ? Muze se to takhle chovat ? > S> Merici body budu merit zitra . > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From steebe at seznam.cz Mon Sep 13 18:15:18 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Mon Sep 13 18:15:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] trubky na ronju Message-ID: <007501c499b5$3fdaf120$0581000a@steebe> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luk?1 Dziadkowiec" To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: trubky na ronju > cao, > dival jsem se na fotky vasi ronji http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/kolin2/DSCF0971.JPG > zajimalo by me co to jsou za hezke leskle trubky ? diky moc za rychlou odpoved. Mno sou to normalni PVC trubky (oranzovy nemeli a tak sme vzali hnedy trubky s vickama ) a maj povrchovou upravu - takova samolepici folie . kterou kdyz nalepsi tak uz ji nesundas :) a kdyz tak tam to stribro zustane i s lepidlem . davam jim zivotnost tak 2 roky . ty deste udelaj asi sve . ale zatim to drzi bez znamek opotrebovani :) . Urcite tam nelep normalni samolepku z papiru :))) mohl sem i mit nejakou hlinikovou folii ale to by byl asi prepich :-) ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040913/b5d1090b/attachment.htm From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Sep 13 19:34:08 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Sep 13 19:34:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky In-Reply-To: <20040912172513Z1302639-19881+168392@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040912172513Z1302639-19881+168392@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1095100448.4145e820421a4@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Ten silon je opravdu kurevsky drahy, jedno kilo prijde na nekolikset korun. Ja na to kupuju zbytky, ktere jsou o trochu levnejsi, ale nejsou vzdy k dispozici. Dalsi moznost je hlinik, ale ten bude jeste drazsi. > > Ja mel silon zadara :) . Udelali mi to v praci na soustruhu ale odhad > toho > > materialu je podle mne ponekud drazsi ! zaslech sem ze kolem 1 tisice . > > pry ta stangle ze ktery to delali byla celkem draha > > to snad ne... rek bych ze to byl naky spesl silon, a ze meli treba naky > zbytek nebo neco.... to prece memuze byt tak drahe ..... otazna jak byla > velka, ze, ale.... :) > > a ja je mel tlustejsi > > aby to bylo opravdu kolmo , cim by si mel hubenejsi tim by ta obruc mohla > > byt vlozena sikmo takze pro jistotu je mam 5 cm siroky :) > > tak to sis mel nechat udelat celou trubku :) > > > a jako by to nestacilo nechal sem si vyject jeste tenky obroucky do > kterych > > sem si udelal vytapeni a zvenku je posadil na cocku . > > lezi ti ty odpory primo na cocce? z obru to neni zrejme.... > > samozrejme vse > > zapatlano silikonem > > jo, tak to se tes az to budes rozebirat. ja ted rozdelaval Tx a vzadu sem mel > lehce zapalanoou spunt 10mm tlusty... zadek trubky je ojety jak...tri tecky > > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1052.html > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > > > > > Neptal ses soustruznika na kolik takova obrocka prijde? > > Ja jsem je delal za silonu a material na jednu do 75mm roury prijde na > > 50-70Kc a > > 110mm na 100-130Kc podle toho jak se nakoupi a kolik se toho zmrvi. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Sep 13 19:40:34 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Sep 13 19:40:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky In-Reply-To: <189706.598256-18317-1289742978-1095056837@email.seznam.cz> References: <189706.598256-18317-1289742978-1095056837@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1095100834.4145e9a252240@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Ja to lepim silikonem DOW CORNING 744 a uz rok drzi. Ale pravda je taky, ze mezera mezi obrockou a trubkou je v mem pripade mensi 0,1mm. > > drzi vubec silicon na tom silonu? podle me ten silon je docela neprilnavy > k > > jakemu koliv lepidlu. > > > > Glo > > Taky jsem pouzil na prvni pokusy silon, silikon na nem NEEDRZI, cocky se po 2 > mesicich odlepily, na skle a na trubce to drzi samozrejme dobre. Pouzity > silikon sanitarni pruhledny > > Mirek > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Sep 13 19:43:09 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Sep 13 19:43:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <151742518.20040913084007@volny.cz> References: <200409092034.WAA09104@raven.upol.cz> <000501c49911$3d320ac0$0501a8c0@hodza> <151742518.20040913084007@volny.cz> Message-ID: <1095100989.4145ea3d57940@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Misto vazeliny je lepsi pajeci pasta eumetol a vrstva musi byt opravdu silna. Osmirglovat staci predem. Dalsi zpusob je /podle amaterskeho radia/ nejdriv poniklovat a pak normalne pajet. > >> S tim jsem v zivote nedelal ale taky by me zajimalo jestli je zpusob jak > >> treba pomoci mekke pajky sletovat 2 hlinikove plechy k sobe. > >> > >> Cl< > > Slysel jsem tento postup: Dat na ten plech vazelinu, a pres vrstvu > vazeliny to zacit smirglovat. Vrstvu je nutne stale udrzovat, protoze > se to musi osmirglovat a pritom k tomu nesmi prijit kyslik. No a kdyz > se to udela, tak se normalni pajkou paji primo do te vazeliny. Pry to > chytne. Nakonec se sundaji zbytky te vazeliny.... > > Nezkousel jsem to. > > OndraT > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 13 20:08:25 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 20:09:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky Message-ID: <20040913190829Z1307165-26759+14632@mail.centrum.cz> pcha.... a jak!!! nevim teda presne jak k silonu, ale k oceli uplne maximalne. zadni vicko sem mel z oceli. 10mm tluste kolecko. po obvodu trubky sem udelal housenku silikonu a zatlacil viko(lehce) kdyz sem to na 2. den chtel rozdelat myslel sem ze me trefi.... je to silene pruzne a kdyz to chces vypacit,tak to vyleze, a zase se to vrati..... hruza... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Malusek > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:55:31 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > drzi vubec silicon na tom silonu? podle me ten silon je docela neprilnavy k > jakemu koliv lepidlu. > > Glo > > > > Ja mel silon zadara :) . Udelali mi to v praci na soustruhu ale odhad toho > > materialu je podle mne ponekud drazsi ! zaslech sem ze kolem 1 tisice . > > pry ta stangle ze ktery to delali byla celkem draha a ja je mel tlustejsi > > aby to bylo opravdu kolmo , cim by si mel hubenejsi tim by ta obruc mohla > > byt vlozena sikmo takze pro jistotu je mam 5 cm siroky :) > > a jako by to nestacilo nechal sem si vyject jeste tenky obroucky do > kterych > > sem si udelal vytapeni a zvenku je posadil na cocku . samozrejme vse > > zapatlano silikonem > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1052.html > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > > > > > Neptal ses soustruznika na kolik takova obrocka prijde? > > Ja jsem je delal za silonu a material na jednu do 75mm roury prijde na > > 50-70Kc a > > 110mm na 100-130Kc podle toho jak se nakoupi a kolik se toho zmrvi. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 13 20:10:25 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 20:11:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] konecne!!! Message-ID: <20040913191027Z1306623-26761+14756@mail.centrum.cz> jednu strenu sme dneska dostali na 1,1V takze aspon tak, druhou sem nestih, sel sem na pivo, a ted nevim jestli je bezpecne, lezt na tu strechu :))) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Knezourek > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:57:06 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] konecne!!! > > gratuluji!!!! ale to rssi by mohlo byt tak 10x vetsi aspon na tu > vzdalenost, ne? ;-) > brou noc :D > Kneza > > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > tak se mi konecne, po asi 2 letech splnil sen. funguje mi ronja :DD je to sice zatim jenom 283m, RSSI 230 a 350 mV,ale este to mozna doladime. > > > > moc diky vsem co mi davali dobre rady a podporovali jak fyzicky, tak psichycky :)) .... du spat.... ale asi z toho neusnu :)) > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 13 20:18:35 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 20:19:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky Message-ID: <20040913191838Z1307030-26759+14780@mail.centrum.cz> aha...tak to je mozna trochu ve sporu s mym predchozim prispevkem :) ale mluvi seml o novodur-silikon-ocel. a nemam to odskousene casove ... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: schumann miroslav > Komu: Michal Malusek , Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:27:18 +0200 (CEST) > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Michal Malusek" > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > Datum (Date): 12. 9. 2004 22:55 > ================================================== > > > drzi vubec silicon na tom silonu? podle me ten silon je docela neprilnavy k > > jakemu koliv lepidlu. > > > > Glo > > Taky jsem pouzil na prvni pokusy silon, silikon na nem NEEDRZI, cocky se po 2 mesicich odlepily, na skle a na trubce to drzi samozrejme dobre. Pouzity silikon sanitarni pruhledny > > Mirek > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 13 20:21:11 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 20:22:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 Message-ID: <20040913192111Z1305241-26761+14939@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Ondrej Tesar > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:40:07 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 > > >> S tim jsem v zivote nedelal ale taky by me zajimalo jestli je zpusob jak > >> treba pomoci mekke pajky sletovat 2 hlinikove plechy k sobe. > >> > >> Cl< > > Slysel jsem tento postup: Dat na ten plech vazelinu, a pres vrstvu > vazeliny to zacit smirglovat. Vrstvu je nutne stale udrzovat, protoze > se to musi osmirglovat a pritom k tomu nesmi prijit kyslik. to je si myslim blbost. zas tak rychle to neoxiduje a proc by tam jinak ta vazelina mela byt... to se mi nezda.... No a kdyz > se to udela, tak se normalni pajkou paji primo do te vazeliny. Pry to > chytne. Nakonec se sundaji zbytky te vazeliny.... > > Nezkousel jsem to. > > OndraT > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 13 20:38:02 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 20:39:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky Message-ID: <20040913193814Z1310575-26759+15088@mail.centrum.cz> hm, tak to je blbe... ale co, z nakeho zeleza neco oceli to taky de zrobit. jenom to musis prestriknout barvou. aspon zakladni...a to uz neni takovy problem....zvalst kdyz jich delas vic. povesis za sebe, udelas pssssssssss a hotove :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:34:08 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > Ten silon je opravdu kurevsky drahy, jedno kilo prijde na nekolikset korun. Ja > na to kupuju zbytky, ktere jsou o trochu levnejsi, ale nejsou vzdy k dispozici. > Dalsi moznost je hlinik, ale ten bude jeste drazsi. > > > > > Ja mel silon zadara :) . Udelali mi to v praci na soustruhu ale odhad > > toho > > > materialu je podle mne ponekud drazsi ! zaslech sem ze kolem 1 tisice . > > > pry ta stangle ze ktery to delali byla celkem draha > > > > to snad ne... rek bych ze to byl naky spesl silon, a ze meli treba naky > > zbytek nebo neco.... to prece memuze byt tak drahe ..... otazna jak byla > > velka, ze, ale.... :) > > > > a ja je mel tlustejsi > > > aby to bylo opravdu kolmo , cim by si mel hubenejsi tim by ta obruc mohla > > > byt vlozena sikmo takze pro jistotu je mam 5 cm siroky :) > > > > tak to sis mel nechat udelat celou trubku :) > > > > > a jako by to nestacilo nechal sem si vyject jeste tenky obroucky do > > kterych > > > sem si udelal vytapeni a zvenku je posadil na cocku . > > > > lezi ti ty odpory primo na cocce? z obru to neni zrejme.... > > > > samozrejme vse > > > zapatlano silikonem > > > > jo, tak to se tes az to budes rozebirat. ja ted rozdelaval Tx a vzadu sem mel > > lehce zapalanoou spunt 10mm tlusty... zadek trubky je ojety jak...tri tecky > > > > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/1052.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > > > > > > > > Neptal ses soustruznika na kolik takova obrocka prijde? > > > Ja jsem je delal za silonu a material na jednu do 75mm roury prijde na > > > 50-70Kc a > > > 110mm na 100-130Kc podle toho jak se nakoupi a kolik se toho zmrvi. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 13 20:40:06 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 20:41:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky Message-ID: <20040913194013Z1303498-26760+15435@mail.centrum.cz> tak presne sem to ja nemeril,ale predpokladam ze to bude asi stejne (slo to jen tezko vyklepat, kdyz sem to tam cvicne zasunul) a uz mi to drzi 2 dny :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > Komu: schumann miroslav , Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:40:34 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] obruce na cocky > > Ja to lepim silikonem DOW CORNING 744 a uz rok drzi. Ale pravda je taky, ze > mezera mezi obrockou a trubkou je v mem pripade mensi 0,1mm. > > > > > drzi vubec silicon na tom silonu? podle me ten silon je docela neprilnavy > > k > > > jakemu koliv lepidlu. > > > > > > Glo > > > > Taky jsem pouzil na prvni pokusy silon, silikon na nem NEEDRZI, cocky se po 2 > > mesicich odlepily, na skle a na trubce to drzi samozrejme dobre. Pouzity > > silikon sanitarni pruhledny > > > > Mirek > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 13 20:44:40 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 20:45:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 Message-ID: <20040913194441Z1310818-26764+15583@mail.centrum.cz> a vis jak to "funguje"? ja totiz nevim jaky ma ta vazelina smysl....ze sou v nake paste nake... kyseliny, jine kovy ktere tomu napomahaji, bych veril, ale ta obyc vazelina se mi zda naka divna..... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > Komu: Ondrej Tesar , Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:43:09 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 > > Misto vazeliny je lepsi pajeci pasta eumetol a vrstva musi byt opravdu silna. > Osmirglovat staci predem. > Dalsi zpusob je /podle amaterskeho radia/ nejdriv poniklovat a pak normalne pajet. > > > >> S tim jsem v zivote nedelal ale taky by me zajimalo jestli je zpusob jak > > >> treba pomoci mekke pajky sletovat 2 hlinikove plechy k sobe. > > >> > > >> Cl< > > > > Slysel jsem tento postup: Dat na ten plech vazelinu, a pres vrstvu > > vazeliny to zacit smirglovat. Vrstvu je nutne stale udrzovat, protoze > > se to musi osmirglovat a pritom k tomu nesmi prijit kyslik. No a kdyz > > se to udela, tak se normalni pajkou paji primo do te vazeliny. Pry to > > chytne. Nakonec se sundaji zbytky te vazeliny.... > > > > Nezkousel jsem to. > > > > OndraT > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From mixaj at mymail.cz Mon Sep 13 21:07:41 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Mon Sep 13 21:07:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour References: <20040913154717.GC24706@beton.cybernet.src><000f01c499ae$c63667b0$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040913165546.GA24906@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002d01c499cd$594a1830$fd02a8c0@diablo> A muze nekdo Windows user only vysvetlit, jak pomoci toho scriptu potom stahnu tu Ronja Guide????? Predpokladam, ze pomoci toho skriptu budu z netu stahovat uz jen aktualizace, ze? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour > On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 06:28:52PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Ta to me ne... > > Jdu na stranku: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/DownloadRonja > > > > Kdyz chci stahnout "Ronja Guide with Tour" kliknu na polozku action a chce > > to login. Tak jsem pouzil login TWikiGuest with password guest. > > > > Dostal jsem se na stranku > > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/attach/Main/DownloadRonja?filename=download_r > > onja_guide_tour&revInfo=1 > > > > Kdyz kliknu na view verze 1,2 objevi se mi stranka s timto textem (to same > > se objevi ikdyz kliknu na odkaz download_ronja_guide_tour pod polozkou > > atachment: > > > > if [ $# -eq 0 ] > > then > > echo "Usage: $0 directory_to_be_created_and_filled" > > exit 1 > > fi > > if [ -e $1 ] > > then > > echo "$1 exists. Supply a directory that doesn't exist " >&2 > > exit 1 > > fi > > mkdir $1 > > cd $1 > > > > rm -rf ronja.twibright.com images.twibright.com > > wget -EHrk -l inf -Dronja.twibright.com http://ronja.twibright.com > > find . -name '*.html' -type f -exec grep -o \ > > "http://images.twibright.com/tns/[^/]*\.html" "{}" ";" | sort | uniq > urls > > wget -nc -Ekpr -l 1 -i urls > > rm urls > > cd .. > > Jak to mam tedy stahnout????????????? > > No - to co jsi vypsal to uz je ten skript co se ma stahnout :) > > Cl< > > Diky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 11:54:00AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > Nejak mi to nejde stahnout... > > > > > > > > Prihlasil jsem se jako TWikiGuest (nemam tam registraci). > > > > > > Me to jde stahnout aniz bych se prihlasoval. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > Co je spatne? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.868 (20040910) __________ > > > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.869 (20040913) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Sep 13 21:14:41 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Sep 13 21:14:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 References: <20040913194441Z1310818-26764+15583@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <004701c499ce$4dd58c90$0103450a@thechosen> blbost to neni, ja jsem sice take nalitej jako puleen :) ale hlinik koroduje a pokryva se oxuidem hlinitim nebo necim takovym (velmi tvrda keramika) velmi rychle a pro tse neda pajet, cinovat se da pod ultrazvukem v cinove lazni. vazelina a nebo eumetol tam brani oxodaci. chtena oxidace hlinuku ryhlejsi nez normalne je eloxovani. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 a vis jak to "funguje"? ja totiz nevim jaky ma ta vazelina smysl....ze sou v nake paste nake... kyseliny, jine kovy ktere tomu napomahaji, bych veril, ale ta obyc vazelina se mi zda naka divna..... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > Komu: Ondrej Tesar , Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:43:09 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 > > Misto vazeliny je lepsi pajeci pasta eumetol a vrstva musi byt opravdu silna. > Osmirglovat staci predem. > Dalsi zpusob je /podle amaterskeho radia/ nejdriv poniklovat a pak normalne pajet. > > > >> S tim jsem v zivote nedelal ale taky by me zajimalo jestli je zpusob jak > > >> treba pomoci mekke pajky sletovat 2 hlinikove plechy k sobe. > > >> > > >> Cl< > > > > Slysel jsem tento postup: Dat na ten plech vazelinu, a pres vrstvu > > vazeliny to zacit smirglovat. Vrstvu je nutne stale udrzovat, protoze > > se to musi osmirglovat a pritom k tomu nesmi prijit kyslik. No a kdyz > > se to udela, tak se normalni pajkou paji primo do te vazeliny. Pry to > > chytne. Nakonec se sundaji zbytky te vazeliny.... > > > > Nezkousel jsem to. > > > > OndraT > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kero at matfyz.cz Mon Sep 13 23:26:19 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Mon Sep 13 23:27:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour In-Reply-To: <002d01c499cd$594a1830$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040913154717.GC24706@beton.cybernet.src><000f01c499ae$c63667b0$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040913165546.GA24906@beton.cybernet.src> <002d01c499cd$594a1830$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <41461E8B.4070900@matfyz.cz> Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a): > A muze nekdo Windows user only vysvetlit, jak pomoci toho scriptu potom > stahnu tu Ronja Guide????? > Predpokladam, ze pomoci toho skriptu budu z netu stahovat uz jen > aktualizace, ze? ne, radek rm -rf ronja.twibright.com images.twibright.com rika neco jako odstran vsechno z adresaru ronja.twibright.com a images.twibright.com takze zadne aktualizace, myslim. Pokud to chces spustit, tak asi zkus a)pouzit program cygwin. www.cygwin.org b) stahnout si porty programu, ktere jsou v tom skriptu pouzity, do windows a pak ho spust jako batak. Adresa portu je http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ potrebujes vlastne jen wget, rm(volitelne),find. wget najdes napr tady ftp://ftp.sunsite.dk/projects/wget/windows/wget-1.9.1b-complete.zip rozbal wget do nejakeho adresare, pridej k tomu find z unxutils a spust program ronja.bat s timhle obsahem: wget -EHrk -l inf -Dronja.twibright.com -Xtour http://ronja.twibright.com find . -name '*.html' -type f -exec grep -o \ "http://images.twibright.com/tns/[^/]*\.html" "{}" ";" | sort | uniq > urls wget -nc -Ekpr -l 1 -i urls zbyde ti jen soubor urls, ten muzes smazat rucne. Urcite to jde i rychleji a lepe, ale na to jsem liny. Je to netestovane, ale melo by to fungovat. Kero-chan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour > > > >>On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 06:28:52PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >> >>>Ta to me ne... >>>Jdu na stranku: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/DownloadRonja >>> >>>Kdyz chci stahnout "Ronja Guide with Tour" kliknu na polozku action a > > chce > >>>to login. Tak jsem pouzil login TWikiGuest with password guest. >>> >>>Dostal jsem se na stranku >>> > > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/attach/Main/DownloadRonja?filename=download_r > >>>onja_guide_tour&revInfo=1 >>> >>>Kdyz kliknu na view verze 1,2 objevi se mi stranka s timto textem (to > > same > >>>se objevi ikdyz kliknu na odkaz download_ronja_guide_tour pod polozkou >>>atachment: >>> >>>if [ $# -eq 0 ] >>>then >>>echo "Usage: $0 directory_to_be_created_and_filled" >>>exit 1 >>>fi >>>if [ -e $1 ] >>>then >>>echo "$1 exists. Supply a directory that doesn't exist " >&2 >>>exit 1 >>>fi >>>mkdir $1 >>>cd $1 >>> >>>rm -rf ronja.twibright.com images.twibright.com >>>wget -EHrk -l inf -Dronja.twibright.com http://ronja.twibright.com >>>find . -name '*.html' -type f -exec grep -o \ >>>"http://images.twibright.com/tns/[^/]*\.html" "{}" ";" | sort | uniq > > > urls > >>>wget -nc -Ekpr -l 1 -i urls >>>rm urls >>>cd .. >>>Jak to mam tedy stahnout????????????? >> >>No - to co jsi vypsal to uz je ten skript co se ma stahnout :) >> >>Cl< >> >>>Diky >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Karel Kulhavy" >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:47 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 11:54:00AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >>>> >>>>>Nejak mi to nejde stahnout... >>>>> >>>>>Prihlasil jsem se jako TWikiGuest (nemam tam registraci). >>>> >>>>Me to jde stahnout aniz bych se prihlasoval. >>>> >>>>Cl< >>>> >>>>>Co je spatne? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>>__________ Informace od NOD32 1.868 (20040910) __________ >>>> >>>>Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >>>>http://www.nod32.cz >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>__________ Informace od NOD32 1.869 (20040913) __________ >> >>Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >>http://www.nod32.cz >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Sep 14 00:40:52 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Sep 14 00:41:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nejake vysledky s pridanim C154 Message-ID: <20040913234052.GA17206@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Zkusil jsem promerit dve me rxka pred a po pridani C154 Vysledky: rx vzdalenost mezni RSSI RSSI bez signalu 2 180 cm 110 mV - 2+ 205 cm 85 mV 132 mV 4 44 cm 145 mV 90 mV 4+ 55 cm 145 mV 170 mV Rx 2 pouziva SFH203, rx 4 pouziva BPW43 (asi), varianty s + jsou po pridani C154. Vzdalenost je zmerena ve chvili, kdy packetloss poklesl pod 0.5 %, mezni RSSI je RSSI v tu chvili. RSSI bez signalu je mereno po zakryti diody. Rx 2 pred C154 bez signalu mereno nebylo. Zvlastni je, ze po pridani C154 mam RSSI bez signalu vetsi, nez se signalem. Vse mereno pri velice slabem osvetleni. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 14 02:50:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 14 02:50:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Overall interconnection schematic Message-ID: <20040914015040.GA26337@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have added the long awaited overall interconnection schematic into Metropolis and Tetrapolis installing and aiming at http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/installing.php#schematic Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 14 02:52:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 14 02:52:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: help, please? In-Reply-To: <006601c498b7$39d16d80$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net> <20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src> <006601c498b7$39d16d80$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20040914015214.GB26337@beton.cybernet.src> > > > any ideas ? any help ? > > > > There is basically nothing in Twister that could go wrong. So that > resolder > > all joints, the probable cause is that some joint is a cold join or some > > package is inserted the wrong way. > > > > Cl< > > I have the same problem. > 2 twister's (airwire) built at the same time and on both the yellow and red > leds are glowing... What kind of 26LS32 did you use? Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Sep 14 06:55:18 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Sep 14 06:54:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Network card to IR communication In-Reply-To: <1081.195.205.177.211.1094604708.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <1081.195.205.177.211.1094604708.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <31321826.20040914075518@volny.cz> A slovo autora: No, I've not picutures of my devices becauses I have not build this device. I have just done its schematic. The infrared diode is a 10mA, 0.7V, 780nm to 1500nm. The infrared LED is a 15mA, 1.4V, 780nm to 1500nm. The wave length of the radiation of the both infrared device must be the same. For exemple, you can use 810nm for the diode and the LED. The infrared LED of the laptop computer must be adapted to the infrared diode of the desktop computer and vice-versa. I suggest you to use 2 different value of components group, one for each group to avoid interference between the two group even if the frequency is modulated. I chosse two quartz, 200MHZ and 400MHZ, because I wanted to modulated the frequency to avoid interference between the both emitters and the both receptors. I have choosen two different value because the filter let pass only a limited bandwidth of frequency. The difference between the both value is big. The range is 100 MHz approximately: it's not too high. Muj dotaz: Hello, on the http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/pc/023/index.html I found your "RJ45 Network card to IR communication". Can you write me the exact type of "Infrared diode" and "Infrared LED", please. Why are use differents types of components: for example 200 and 400MHz grain, both of device seems equivalent? How long is the range? Your device looks like fine, I thik, that is will be easy to build. Do you have some photos all your device. Thanks for some reply :-) Ondra AK> Hey, AK> I found some project in network through about IR communication. AK> Tell me, Can it be so simple ? Please look at this.... AK> http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/pc/023/index.html AK> _______________________________________________ AK> Ronja mailing list AK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net AK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Shamanu8 at web.de Tue Sep 14 07:36:35 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Tue Sep 14 07:36:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: help, please? References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net><20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src><006601c498b7$39d16d80$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20040914015214.GB26337@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002101c49a25$2ec9a190$0500a8c0@AIG1> AM26LS32 CN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: help, please? > > > > any ideas ? any help ? > > > > > > There is basically nothing in Twister that could go wrong. So that > > resolder > > > all joints, the probable cause is that some joint is a cold join or some > > > package is inserted the wrong way. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > I have the same problem. > > 2 twister's (airwire) built at the same time and on both the yellow and red > > leds are glowing... > > What kind of 26LS32 did you use? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From maco at host.sk Tue Sep 14 07:36:43 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Sep 14 07:37:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Network card to IR communication In-Reply-To: <31321826.20040914075518@volny.cz> References: <1081.195.205.177.211.1094604708.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <31321826.20040914075518@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4146917B.2030206@host.sk> Ak by mi vysvetlil niekto jedlotlive casti tej schemy tak ja som ochotny to na test postavit. Len presne neviem co namenaju. Napr celkom nechapem zapojenie tych IC edze nie su nijako oznacene. Vie mi niekto poradit, kde by sa dala na nete zohnat nejaka slusna literatura o elektronike a hlavne IC? vdaka M. Ondrej Tesar wrote: >A slovo autora: > >No, I've not picutures of my devices becauses I have not build this >device. I have just done its schematic. The infrared diode is a 10mA, >0.7V, 780nm to 1500nm. The infrared LED is a 15mA, 1.4V, 780nm to >1500nm. The wave length of the radiation of the both infrared device >must be the same. For exemple, you can use 810nm for the diode and the >LED. The infrared LED of the laptop computer must be adapted to the >infrared diode of the desktop computer and vice-versa. I suggest you >to use 2 different value of components group, one for each group to >avoid interference between the two group even if the frequency is >modulated. I chosse two quartz, 200MHZ and 400MHZ, because I wanted to >modulated the frequency to avoid interference between the both >emitters and the both receptors. I have choosen two different value >because the filter let pass only a limited bandwidth of frequency. The >difference between the both value is big. The range is 100 MHz >approximately: it's not too high. > >Muj dotaz: > >Hello, >on the >http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/pc/023/index.html >I found your "RJ45 Network card to IR communication". > >Can you write me the exact type of "Infrared diode" and "Infrared >LED", please. >Why are use differents types of components: for example 200 and 400MHz >grain, both of device seems equivalent? > >How long is the range? > >Your device looks like fine, I thik, that is will be easy to build. > >Do you have some photos all your device. > >Thanks for some reply :-) > Ondra > >AK> Hey, > >AK> I found some project in network through about IR communication. >AK> Tell me, Can it be so simple ? Please look at this.... > >AK> http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/pc/023/index.html > >AK> _______________________________________________ >AK> Ronja mailing list >AK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >AK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.869 (20040913) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From polous at katka.biz Tue Sep 14 10:46:00 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Sep 14 07:42:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] test spojeni In-Reply-To: <002701c499b4$1f2814e0$0581000a@steebe> References: <006701c496b0$47b792c0$0581000a@steebe> <1553889380.20040913091554@volny.cz> <002701c499b4$1f2814e0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <4146BDD8.1070302@katka.biz> Ono pri odladovani sou ty tespointy asi nejdulezitejsi.. jinak se tu muzem dohadovat celkem vo hovne. Bylo by lepci psat o radu az, kdyz se dostanes do faze, kdy mas potrebne informace. p0l0us Steebe wrote: >Je to v krabickach . vypada to jako kdyby to fachalo ale nefacha :) >test pointy sem jeste nedelal . mel sem to chvilku na zemi sestaveny ale >neni moc casu takze to slo stranou . :-( reagovalo to prave jen tim ze to >chytlo ten signal z TXka a zelena diodka na twistru zhasla jak sem uz psal . > >o vejkendu se zas na to vrhnu .. > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 14 08:40:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 14 08:41:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nejake vysledky s pridanim C154 In-Reply-To: <20040913234052.GA17206@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040913234052.GA17206@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040914074033.GB600@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 01:40:52AM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Zkusil jsem promerit dve me rxka pred a po pridani C154 > > Vysledky: > > rx vzdalenost mezni RSSI RSSI bez signalu > 2 180 cm 110 mV - > 2+ 205 cm 85 mV 132 mV > 4 44 cm 145 mV 90 mV > 4+ 55 cm 145 mV 170 mV Hm, super, zajimavy, diky za ozkouseni :) Muzes prosimte jeste k tomu prilozit paralelne 10nF (cili 3 kondy ted) a pak jeste jedno 100nF (4 kondy ted) a zmerit stejne veci, ktere jsi zde uvedl? Cl< > > Rx 2 pouziva SFH203, rx 4 pouziva BPW43 (asi), varianty s + jsou po > pridani C154. Vzdalenost je zmerena ve chvili, kdy packetloss poklesl > pod 0.5 %, mezni RSSI je RSSI v tu chvili. RSSI bez signalu je mereno > po zakryti diody. Rx 2 pred C154 bez signalu mereno nebylo. Zvlastni > je, ze po pridani C154 mam RSSI bez signalu vetsi, nez se signalem. > Vse mereno pri velice slabem osvetleni. > > -- > Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > > Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) > OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) > "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From simandl at mujmail.cz Tue Sep 14 08:56:34 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Tue Sep 14 08:54:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv zahadny prijimac In-Reply-To: <20040909173847.GA5304@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040909173847.GA5304@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4146A432.4030608@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, pravdepodobne to mas na plosnaku tak se zkus kouknout jestli nemas mezi pajecima ploskama toho kondenzatoru nebo i jinde zbytky/vrstvu kalafuny. Prepalena/hneda kalafuna je elektricky vodiva a je treba se ji zbavit. Zvlast je to videt u obvodu kde tecou male proudy, coz je urcite pripad vstupu RX. Jestli to je ono nevim ale treba to pomuze. hezky den Sima Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Prijimac ma stejny dosah s kondenzatorem i bez. Mohl to byt studenak, ale > Malusek rikal, ze ma 8 dalsich stejne se chovajicih prijimacu, a jinym lidem to > pry dela take, coz je nepravdepodobne, ze by bylo vsechno zpusobeno studenakem. > > Pak to mohl byt kondenzator. Pri casnych pokusem s odletovanim se rozpadl > a tak jsem ho musel nahradit. Zkusil jsem nahradni kondenzatory 3, postupne: > > 1) TESLA 100n > 2) 100n z meho prijimace, z GM (vetsi nez 3) ) > 3) jiny 100n z Maluskova prijimace (mensi nez 2) > > Ve vsech trech pripadech byl dosah s kondenzatorem a bez kondenzatoru stejny. > > Budu to resit asi tak, ze do schematu dam paralelne s nim jeste 1n a poprosim > ostatni postizene (i Maluska s jeho ostatnimi kusy) aby je tam zkusili pridat, > jestli problem pomine. > Cl< From ilicz at seznam.cz Tue Sep 14 09:04:26 2004 From: ilicz at seznam.cz (David 'Ilicz' Klementa) Date: Tue Sep 14 08:58:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv zahadny prijimac In-Reply-To: <4146A432.4030608@mujmail.cz> References: <20040909173847.GA5304@beton.cybernet.src> <4146A432.4030608@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <4146A60A.2010401@seznam.cz> Mno a myslis, ze by dalsich osm melo uplne stejne prepalenou kalafunu? Petr Simandl wrote: > Ahoj, > pravdepodobne to mas na plosnaku tak se zkus kouknout jestli nemas > mezi pajecima ploskama toho kondenzatoru nebo i jinde zbytky/vrstvu > kalafuny. ... > Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > >> Prijimac ma stejny dosah s kondenzatorem i bez. Mohl to byt studenak, ale >> Malusek rikal, ze ma 8 dalsich stejne se chovajicih prijimacu, a jinym >> lidem to >> pry dela take, coz je nepravdepodobne, ze by bylo vsechno zpusobeno >> studenakem. -- David 'ilicz' Klementa GSM: +420 721 811 539 ICQ: #137287977 mail: ilicz(zavinac)seznam(tecka)cz ---------- * www.inMail.cz - Vase emailova adresa na cely zivot ZDARMA * www.czechia.com - profesionalni webhosting a registrace domen za vyhodne ceny * Zoner Media Explorer 6 - Poznejte kouzlo digit?ln? fotografie! (http://www.zoner.cz/zme6) * www.ZonerPress.cz - pocitacova literatura, zamereni na webdesign a grafiku From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Sep 14 09:13:06 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Sep 14 09:13:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv zahadny prijimac References: <20040909173847.GA5304@beton.cybernet.src> <4146A432.4030608@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <000b01c49a32$aa217c20$0103450a@thechosen> na plosnaku to neni, je to hnizdo. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Simandl" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maluskuv zahadny prijimac Ahoj, pravdepodobne to mas na plosnaku tak se zkus kouknout jestli nemas mezi pajecima ploskama toho kondenzatoru nebo i jinde zbytky/vrstvu kalafuny. Prepalena/hneda kalafuna je elektricky vodiva a je treba se ji zbavit. Zvlast je to videt u obvodu kde tecou male proudy, coz je urcite pripad vstupu RX. Jestli to je ono nevim ale treba to pomuze. hezky den Sima Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Prijimac ma stejny dosah s kondenzatorem i bez. Mohl to byt studenak, ale > Malusek rikal, ze ma 8 dalsich stejne se chovajicih prijimacu, a jinym lidem to > pry dela take, coz je nepravdepodobne, ze by bylo vsechno zpusobeno studenakem. > > Pak to mohl byt kondenzator. Pri casnych pokusem s odletovanim se rozpadl > a tak jsem ho musel nahradit. Zkusil jsem nahradni kondenzatory 3, postupne: > > 1) TESLA 100n > 2) 100n z meho prijimace, z GM (vetsi nez 3) ) > 3) jiny 100n z Maluskova prijimace (mensi nez 2) > > Ve vsech trech pripadech byl dosah s kondenzatorem a bez kondenzatoru stejny. > > Budu to resit asi tak, ze do schematu dam paralelne s nim jeste 1n a poprosim > ostatni postizene (i Maluska s jeho ostatnimi kusy) aby je tam zkusili pridat, > jestli problem pomine. > Cl< _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 14 09:35:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 14 09:35:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Schematic connections In-Reply-To: <006a01c498b9$a7a72fa0$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net> <20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src> <006a01c498b9$a7a72fa0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20040914083529.GA259@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 01:14:19PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > Hello, > > I'm building the Ronja Tetrapolis. (all airwire) > The connections from the 3 parts in the schematics are confusing me a littl > bit: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.png > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > > Transmitter: > CON 12V goes to CONN53 +12V (Twister) > CON GND goes to CONN53 GND (Twister) > CON 1 (TX) goes to CONN53 TX (Twister) > CON 1 Shield goes to CONN53 GND (Twister) > > Receiver: > J103 (RX) goes to CONN53 RX (Twister) > J103 Shield goes to CONN53 +12V (Twister) ?? > J101 ? > J102 ? > J104 ? > J105 ? What are you saying here is complete wrong. The source of the error was the fact the informations regarding this were totally missing in the guide. I have added them into the guide: http://beton/drawings/overall_big.png http://beton/drawings/receiver2_big.png http://beton/drawings/transmitter_big.png Look into the guides again and you should be able to determine the correct wiring of all the stuff. If not, complain here again. Cl< > > Are the connections i wrote correct? And where goes J101...105? > > Marcel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 14 09:39:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 14 09:40:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: cervena LEDka In-Reply-To: <20040912122714Z1303413-19865+164267@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040912122714Z1303413-19865+164267@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040914083956.GB259@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 02:27:00PM +0200, milos.83@centrum.cz wrote: > No tak v tom pripade se mi polovina problemu vyresila ... at sem delal co sem delal tak sem se snazil zbavit blikani ty cerveny LEDky - coz je vlastne tedy OK. (Co sem kdysi vyrozumnel ze stavby AUI modulu tak tam to bylo naopak na skodu kdyz blikala - teda pokud se nemylim nejsem moc dobrej v Anglictine - ty preklady jsou skvely :-)))) > > No jestli chapu pojem 10Mbps tak by se melo jednat cca o prenos 1,2MB/s ? > Vzdalovani modulu moc nepomohlo pokud se da verit prenosu co vykazuje > Totalcommander tak vykazuje max. neco kolem 300kB/s a ani vzdalenost ktere > dosahnu (max 1,5m) neni nijak ohromna - spoj by mel potom slouzit cca na > 1,2km ;-) tak bych z toho chtel na koberci vyzdimat co nejvic. Ne, u AUI i AUI Forte mela cervena i zelena ledka presne stejny vyznam jako ma ted u Twistera. > > Mozna bych mohl mit jeste problem na kontrolnim miste P104 v Rx modulu co > jsem koukal tak se mi tam napeti pohybuje na hranici 7V coz bylo jeste do > nedavna v toleranci (nez se to ted zmenilo na 5V - 6V) mam to tedy zkusit > stahnout ? Mohla by to jeste ovlivnovat do jiste miry kuprexitova krabicka ? Jo muzes to stahnout mel by se tim asi trochu nepatrne vylepsit dosah. > Prijde mi ze kuprexit neni tak 100% svetlo nepropustnej jako plech (nabarvil > sem uz celni stenu pro jistotu lihovou fixou). No - nedokazu si predstavit jak muze kuprexit propoustet svetlo, kdyz je na nem medena folie. Kuprexit nevadi, protoze pri tech vysokejch frekvencich se stejne pouzije jen vrchni vrstva materialu, takze staci ta folie na tom bohate. > > A jeste dotaz na kontrolni bod P6 u Tx modulu pohybuje se mi kolem 3V > zajimavy je ze u obouch modulu takrka na chlup stejne. Dle navodu by melo byt > cca 2,5V ... da se to stahnout odporem R8 ? Tak to nechte to je v poradku. Dalsi lidi psali ze tam maj 2.9V. Updatoval jsem to ve schematu. Cl< > > Diky > > Cobrik > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Karel Kulhavy > > Komu: milos.83@centrum.cz > > CC: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:16:55 +0000 > > P?edm?t: Re: cervena LEDka > > > > On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:39:20AM +0200, milos.83@centrum.cz wrote: > > > Zdravim, > > > > > > chtel bych se optat co presne znamena cervena LED dioda v twistrovi a kde hledat chybu, kdyz pri prenosu dat poblikava (docela jasne) - takrka shodne se zelenou LEDkou, ktera by tedy mela znacit prenos dat. Dalsi anomalii co mi prijde je ze dosahnu pri nejlepsim RSSI cca 4V (na koberci) docela male prenosove rychlosti (nevim ted presne ... muzu to zjistit) - kolik je tak normal ? > > > > > > Cele zapojeni je dle navodu. > > > Vsechny 4 moduly (Tx, Rx) jsou staveny do hnizda (jedina odlisnost je ze krabicky nejsou z plechu ale vyrobene z kuprexitu (lepe se na nej paji) > > > Twister je osazen na objednavanych plosnych spojich (tez je umisten do krabicky vyrobene z kuprexitu - jedina odlisnost od navodu je delsi UTP kabel nez 1m asi cca 2m). > > > Co se tyce Tx, Rx modulu jejich namerene DC hodnoty se pohybuji v normalu vcetne RSSI 4V - 0V cca do 0,5V funguje prenos dat cca do vzdalenosti 1,5m na koberci (krabicky jsou samozrejme uzavrene). > > > > Cervena LED znaci vysilani dat, zelena prijem dat. > > > > Jestli je na RSSI 4V tak uz prijimac muze byt prebuzeny a signal se mrsit - > > zkuste to se slabsim signalem, jestli budou chodit data plnym prutokem > > 10Mbps full duplex. > > > > Cl< > > > > > > Diky za odpoved > > > > > > Cobrik > > > > > > From spider at fonoc.net Tue Sep 14 10:00:09 2004 From: spider at fonoc.net (spider) Date: Tue Sep 14 10:00:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 74HC04 Message-ID: <6093111367.20040914110009@fonoc.net> Hello Ronja, Can I replace 74HC04 with 74HCT04 in TX ? in twister there is T as allowed replacement, but in TX is not ? -- Best regards, spider mailto:spider@fonoc.net From Shamanu8 at web.de Tue Sep 14 11:27:55 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Tue Sep 14 11:28:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Schematic connections References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net><20040912050147.GA211@beton.cybernet.src><006a01c498b9$a7a72fa0$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20040914083529.GA259@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <007901c49a45$803849d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> > > What are you saying here is complete wrong. The source of the error was the > fact the informations regarding this were totally missing in the guide. I have > added them into the guide: > http://beton/drawings/overall_big.png > http://beton/drawings/receiver2_big.png > http://beton/drawings/transmitter_big.png > Uhm, is it possible that the links are wrong/broken? should ther not something like .com ? But i already have correct this to the drawing i added in this mail. > Look into the guides again and you should be able to determine the correct > wiring of all the stuff. If not, complain here again. > To be more specific: I was first finished with the 2 Twisters i had built in same order. So i connected them with the 12V Power Supply. At this time there wasn't any receiver or transmitter. And already i got a glowing of green and yellow. So i searched for errors and asked here too. After i havent found the error i went on to the reveiver and transmitter to complete them first, so i could check the error in a "test-running" system. At this time i wrote this question (how to wire), because i wasn't sure how i should connect the 3 parts. but thanks. I will write you the benefits from the complete system testing. Marcel > Cl< > > > > Are the connections i wrote correct? And where goes J101...105? > > > > Marcel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: us-asciiQronja2EPNG-0001.png Type: image/png Size: 20628 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040914/46e893d9/us-asciiQronja2EPNG-0001-0001.png From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Sep 14 15:55:09 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Sep 14 15:56:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour References: <20040913154717.GC24706@beton.cybernet.src><000f01c499ae$c63667b0$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040913165546.GA24906@beton.cybernet.src><002d01c499cd$594a1830$fd02a8c0@diablo> <41461E8B.4070900@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <013701c49a6b$17f2c1e0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Diky testnu ............. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kero" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour > > > Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a): > > A muze nekdo Windows user only vysvetlit, jak pomoci toho scriptu potom > > stahnu tu Ronja Guide????? > > Predpokladam, ze pomoci toho skriptu budu z netu stahovat uz jen > > aktualizace, ze? > ne, radek rm -rf ronja.twibright.com images.twibright.com > rika neco jako odstran vsechno z adresaru ronja.twibright.com a > images.twibright.com takze zadne aktualizace, myslim. > Pokud to chces spustit, tak asi zkus a)pouzit program cygwin. www.cygwin.org > b) stahnout si porty programu, ktere jsou v tom skriptu pouzity, do windows a > pak ho spust jako batak. Adresa portu je http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ > potrebujes vlastne jen wget, rm(volitelne),find. wget najdes napr tady > ftp://ftp.sunsite.dk/projects/wget/windows/wget-1.9.1b-complete.zip > > rozbal wget do nejakeho adresare, pridej k tomu find z unxutils a spust program > ronja.bat s timhle obsahem: > wget -EHrk -l inf -Dronja.twibright.com -Xtour http://ronja.twibright.com > find . -name '*.html' -type f -exec grep -o \ > "http://images.twibright.com/tns/[^/]*\.html" "{}" ";" | sort | uniq > urls > wget -nc -Ekpr -l 1 -i urls > > zbyde ti jen soubor urls, ten muzes smazat rucne. Urcite to jde i rychleji a > lepe, ale na to jsem liny. Je to netestovane, ale melo by to fungovat. > Kero-chan > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour > > > > > > > >>On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 06:28:52PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > >> > >>>Ta to me ne... > >>>Jdu na stranku: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/DownloadRonja > >>> > >>>Kdyz chci stahnout "Ronja Guide with Tour" kliknu na polozku action a > > > > chce > > > >>>to login. Tak jsem pouzil login TWikiGuest with password guest. > >>> > >>>Dostal jsem se na stranku > >>> > > > > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/attach/Main/DownloadRonja?filename=download_r > > > >>>onja_guide_tour&revInfo=1 > >>> > >>>Kdyz kliknu na view verze 1,2 objevi se mi stranka s timto textem (to > > > > same > > > >>>se objevi ikdyz kliknu na odkaz download_ronja_guide_tour pod polozkou > >>>atachment: > >>> > >>>if [ $# -eq 0 ] > >>>then > >>>echo "Usage: $0 directory_to_be_created_and_filled" > >>>exit 1 > >>>fi > >>>if [ -e $1 ] > >>>then > >>>echo "$1 exists. Supply a directory that doesn't exist " >&2 > >>>exit 1 > >>>fi > >>>mkdir $1 > >>>cd $1 > >>> > >>>rm -rf ronja.twibright.com images.twibright.com > >>>wget -EHrk -l inf -Dronja.twibright.com http://ronja.twibright.com > >>>find . -name '*.html' -type f -exec grep -o \ > >>>"http://images.twibright.com/tns/[^/]*\.html" "{}" ";" | sort | uniq > > > > > urls > > > >>>wget -nc -Ekpr -l 1 -i urls > >>>rm urls > >>>cd .. > >>>Jak to mam tedy stahnout????????????? > >> > >>No - to co jsi vypsal to uz je ten skript co se ma stahnout :) > >> > >>Cl< > >> > >>>Diky > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Karel Kulhavy" > >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:47 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 11:54:00AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>Nejak mi to nejde stahnout... > >>>>> > >>>>>Prihlasil jsem se jako TWikiGuest (nemam tam registraci). > >>>> > >>>>Me to jde stahnout aniz bych se prihlasoval. > >>>> > >>>>Cl< > >>>> > >>>>>Co je spatne? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>> > >>>>__________ Informace od NOD32 1.868 (20040910) __________ > >>>> > >>>>Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > >>>>http://www.nod32.cz > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >>__________ Informace od NOD32 1.869 (20040913) __________ > >> > >>Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > >>http://www.nod32.cz > >> > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.869 (20040913) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Sep 14 17:24:33 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Sep 14 17:25:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <20040914162437Z1301844-26761+38989@mail.centrum.cz> mame ronju na strese, RSSI 800 a 250mV + - a mame problem. druha strana odeme data stahovat muze(ale nak pomalu) ja ne. vidim jeho PC ve svojem, prohlizim slozky ale kdyz chci skopirovat soubor, tak to kixne, v lepsim pripade stahne tak 7% napr. z obrazku a taky skonci. cim to muze byt? pingy jedou v klidu, sitovky 3Com 3C900B-COMBO. nastavene na 10M FD. na strechu mam asi 20m koaxu (jednim smerem) fakt nevim cim to muze byt. vcera vnoci sem neco skopiroval, ale jenom mozna 1 soubor. RSSI je pres den zhruba stejne,silt to ma takze slunko na to neviti...... From kneza at poupe.net Tue Sep 14 18:09:40 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Tue Sep 14 18:09:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) Message-ID: <414725D4.3050805@poupe.net> Jednou se tu vedla debata o pouziti ronji na hodne kratky vzdalenosti a moznost prehlceni prijimace. Aktualne jeden takovy spoj resim. je jen pres ulici a kdyz clovek presne zameri tak je tam pres 5V a je to prehlceny.. kdyz s tim uhnu aby tam bylo neco pres 4 tak je velkej loss .. nejake reseni jak snizit dosah ronje ? :-) Kneza From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Sep 14 18:44:13 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Sep 14 18:44:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Presnost soucastek? Message-ID: <20040914174413.GA13666@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Chtel bych se zeptat, s jakou presnosti soucastek se pocita v navodu ronji? V GMku jim dochazeji 1% odpory a zacinaji ronjychtivym lidem nabizet 10% odpory :-). -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From bendis at pilsfree.net Tue Sep 14 18:44:25 2004 From: bendis at pilsfree.net (Martin Benda) Date: Tue Sep 14 18:44:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) In-Reply-To: <414725D4.3050805@poupe.net> References: <414725D4.3050805@poupe.net> Message-ID: Resenim muze byt umisteni clony do prijimace (nebo pouzit kourove sklo ;-). Clonu je mozne dat i do vysilace, ale tim se pravdepodobne zhorsi SNR (signal z vysilace ku svetlo z okoli). Bendis On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:09:40 +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Jednou se tu vedla debata o pouziti ronji na hodne kratky vzdalenosti a > moznost prehlceni prijimace. > > Aktualne jeden takovy spoj resim. je jen pres ulici a kdyz clovek presne > zameri tak je tam pres 5V a je to prehlceny.. kdyz s tim uhnu aby tam > bylo neco pres 4 tak je velkej loss .. > > nejake reseni jak snizit dosah ronje ? :-) > Kneza > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Sep 14 21:08:45 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Sep 14 21:09:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) Message-ID: <20040914200857Z1306289-26761+43109@mail.centrum.cz> a co kdybys jenom rozsteloval ohnisko? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Martin Benda" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:44:25 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) > > Resenim muze byt umisteni clony do prijimace (nebo pouzit kourove sklo > ;-). Clonu je mozne dat i do vysilace, ale tim se pravdepodobne zhorsi SNR > (signal z vysilace ku svetlo z okoli). > > Bendis > > On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:09:40 +0200, Michal Knezourek > wrote: > > > Jednou se tu vedla debata o pouziti ronji na hodne kratky vzdalenosti a > > moznost prehlceni prijimace. > > > > Aktualne jeden takovy spoj resim. je jen pres ulici a kdyz clovek presne > > zameri tak je tam pres 5V a je to prehlceny.. kdyz s tim uhnu aby tam > > bylo neco pres 4 tak je velkej loss .. > > > > nejake reseni jak snizit dosah ronje ? :-) > > Kneza > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From bendis at pilsfree.net Tue Sep 14 22:29:15 2004 From: bendis at pilsfree.net (Martin Benda) Date: Tue Sep 14 22:29:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) In-Reply-To: <20040914200857Z1306289-26761+43109@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040914200857Z1306289-26761+43109@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: hmmm, dalsi mozne reseni... :-) On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:45 +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > a co kdybys jenom rozsteloval ohnisko? > > ______________________________________________________________ >> Od: "Martin Benda" >> Komu: "Twibright Ronja" >> Datum: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:44:25 +0200 >> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) >> >> Resenim muze byt umisteni clony do prijimace (nebo pouzit kourove sklo >> ;-). Clonu je mozne dat i do vysilace, ale tim se pravdepodobne zhorsi >> SNR >> (signal z vysilace ku svetlo z okoli). >> >> Bendis >> >> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:09:40 +0200, Michal Knezourek >> wrote: >> >> > Jednou se tu vedla debata o pouziti ronji na hodne kratky vzdalenosti >> a >> > moznost prehlceni prijimace. >> > >> > Aktualne jeden takovy spoj resim. je jen pres ulici a kdyz clovek >> presne >> > zameri tak je tam pres 5V a je to prehlceny.. kdyz s tim uhnu aby tam >> > bylo neco pres 4 tak je velkej loss .. >> > >> > nejake reseni jak snizit dosah ronje ? :-) >> > Kneza >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ronja mailing list >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Tue Sep 14 22:34:33 2004 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Tue Sep 14 22:34:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) In-Reply-To: References: <20040914200857Z1306289-26761+43109@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <414763E9.5030108@tiscali.cz> Martin Benda wrote: > hmmm, dalsi mozne reseni... :-) > > On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:45 +0200, Jakub Michn?k > wrote: > >> a co kdybys jenom rozsteloval ohnisko? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >>> Od: "Martin Benda" >>> Komu: "Twibright Ronja" >>> Datum: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:44:25 +0200 >>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) >>> >>> Resenim muze byt umisteni clony do prijimace (nebo pouzit kourove sklo >>> ;-). Clonu je mozne dat i do vysilace, ale tim se pravdepodobne >>> zhorsi SNR >>> (signal z vysilace ku svetlo z okoli). >>> >>> Bendis >>> >>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:09:40 +0200, Michal Knezourek >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Jednou se tu vedla debata o pouziti ronji na hodne kratky >>> vzdalenosti a >>> > moznost prehlceni prijimace. >>> > >>> > Aktualne jeden takovy spoj resim. je jen pres ulici a kdyz clovek >>> presne >>> > zameri tak je tam pres 5V a je to prehlceny.. kdyz s tim uhnu aby tam >>> > bylo neco pres 4 tak je velkej loss .. >>> > >>> > nejake reseni jak snizit dosah ronje ? :-) >>> > Kneza To mi prijde trochu prasacke, kdyz se ve specifikacich pise: Minimum operating distance 1/15 of nominal range. Further manual reduction possible by change of two passive components in receiver. Martin From kneza at poupe.net Tue Sep 14 22:36:46 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Tue Sep 14 22:36:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) In-Reply-To: <414763E9.5030108@tiscali.cz> References: <20040914200857Z1306289-26761+43109@mail.centrum.cz> <414763E9.5030108@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <4147646E.7030104@poupe.net> presne tak.. otazka zni co teda za co vymenit :-) Kneza Martin Stachon wrote: > Martin Benda wrote: > >> hmmm, dalsi mozne reseni... :-) >> >> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:45 +0200, Jakub Michn?k >> wrote: >> >>> a co kdybys jenom rozsteloval ohnisko? >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> >>>> Od: "Martin Benda" >>>> Komu: "Twibright Ronja" >>>> Datum: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:44:25 +0200 >>>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) >>>> >>>> Resenim muze byt umisteni clony do prijimace (nebo pouzit kourove sklo >>>> ;-). Clonu je mozne dat i do vysilace, ale tim se pravdepodobne >>>> zhorsi SNR >>>> (signal z vysilace ku svetlo z okoli). >>>> >>>> Bendis >>>> >>>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:09:40 +0200, Michal Knezourek >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Jednou se tu vedla debata o pouziti ronji na hodne kratky >>>> vzdalenosti a >>>> > moznost prehlceni prijimace. >>>> > >>>> > Aktualne jeden takovy spoj resim. je jen pres ulici a kdyz clovek >>>> presne >>>> > zameri tak je tam pres 5V a je to prehlceny.. kdyz s tim uhnu aby tam >>>> > bylo neco pres 4 tak je velkej loss .. >>>> > >>>> > nejake reseni jak snizit dosah ronje ? :-) >>>> > Kneza > > > To mi prijde trochu prasacke, kdyz se ve specifikacich pise: > Minimum operating distance 1/15 of nominal range. Further manual > reduction possible by change of two passive components in receiver. > > Martin > From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Sep 14 23:02:08 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Sep 14 23:01:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <20040914162437Z1301844-26761+38989@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040914162437Z1301844-26761+38989@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <130511005.20040915000208@volny.cz> No doposavad je muj pohled na Ronju takovej, ze bud jede a nebo nejede. Jine stavy neznam. To co popisujes je podivne. Tipuji to na chybu SW, routru a tak, ale ne chybu Ronjy. Muzu se mylit, tot jen takovy vystrel od boku. Ondra JM> mame ronju na strese, RSSI 800 a 250mV + - a mame problem. druha strana odeme data stahovat muze(ale nak pomalu) ja ne. vidim jeho PC ve svojem, prohlizim slozky ale kdyz chci skopirovat soubor, JM> tak to kixne, v lepsim pripade stahne tak 7% napr. z obrazku a taky skonci. cim to muze byt? pingy jedou v klidu, sitovky 3Com 3C900B-COMBO. nastavene na 10M FD. na strechu mam asi 20m koaxu JM> (jednim smerem) fakt nevim cim to muze byt. vcera vnoci sem neco skopiroval, ale jenom mozna 1 soubor. RSSI je pres den zhruba stejne,silt to ma takze slunko na to neviti...... JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Sep 14 23:43:44 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Tue Sep 14 23:44:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) References: <20040914200857Z1306289-26761+43109@mail.centrum.cz> <414763E9.5030108@tiscali.cz> <4147646E.7030104@poupe.net> Message-ID: <002801c49aac$4aa70a10$0103450a@thechosen> nic nemen, soupni rx modul bliz nebo dal, proc neco delat jednoduse :) Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) presne tak.. otazka zni co teda za co vymenit :-) Kneza Martin Stachon wrote: > Martin Benda wrote: > >> hmmm, dalsi mozne reseni... :-) >> >> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:45 +0200, Jakub Michn?k >> wrote: >> >>> a co kdybys jenom rozsteloval ohnisko? >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> >>>> Od: "Martin Benda" >>>> Komu: "Twibright Ronja" >>>> Datum: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:44:25 +0200 >>>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) >>>> >>>> Resenim muze byt umisteni clony do prijimace (nebo pouzit kourove sklo >>>> ;-). Clonu je mozne dat i do vysilace, ale tim se pravdepodobne >>>> zhorsi SNR >>>> (signal z vysilace ku svetlo z okoli). >>>> >>>> Bendis >>>> >>>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:09:40 +0200, Michal Knezourek >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Jednou se tu vedla debata o pouziti ronji na hodne kratky >>>> vzdalenosti a >>>> > moznost prehlceni prijimace. >>>> > >>>> > Aktualne jeden takovy spoj resim. je jen pres ulici a kdyz clovek >>>> presne >>>> > zameri tak je tam pres 5V a je to prehlceny.. kdyz s tim uhnu aby tam >>>> > bylo neco pres 4 tak je velkej loss .. >>>> > >>>> > nejake reseni jak snizit dosah ronje ? :-) >>>> > Kneza > > > To mi prijde trochu prasacke, kdyz se ve specifikacich pise: > Minimum operating distance 1/15 of nominal range. Further manual > reduction possible by change of two passive components in receiver. > > Martin > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kero at matfyz.cz Wed Sep 15 00:46:55 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Wed Sep 15 00:48:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) In-Reply-To: <4147646E.7030104@poupe.net> References: <20040914200857Z1306289-26761+43109@mail.centrum.cz> <414763E9.5030108@tiscali.cz> <4147646E.7030104@poupe.net> Message-ID: <414782EF.5000301@matfyz.cz> Mail ze 7.6.2004 On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 11:13:45AM +0200, Tom?? Chaloupka wrote: >> A muzu se zeptat z jakeho duvodu tomu tak je a jake 2 pasivni komponenty >> je kvuli tomu potreba vymenit? Je to z duvodu ze NE592 se prebudi signalem. http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png Da se misto C110 seriova kombinace odpor R a kondenzator C takova, aby platilo (R+32ohm))*C=270pF*32ohm pricemz zesileni se snizi v pomeru 32/(R+32) Potrebujeme-li 2x mensi vzdalenost nez minimalni, zesileni musi byt 4x mensi (je to umera s druhou mocninou). Cl< Ne ze bych tomu prilis rozumel, ale mozna to s tim souvisi ^^' Kero-chan >> >> Diky >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > presne tak.. otazka zni co teda za co vymenit :-) > Kneza > > > Martin Stachon wrote: > >> Martin Benda wrote: >> >>> hmmm, dalsi mozne reseni... :-) >>> >>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:45 +0200, Jakub Michn?k >>> wrote: >>> >>>> a co kdybys jenom rozsteloval ohnisko? >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>>> Od: "Martin Benda" >>>>> Komu: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>> Datum: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:44:25 +0200 >>>>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) >>>>> >>>>> Resenim muze byt umisteni clony do prijimace (nebo pouzit kourove sklo >>>>> ;-). Clonu je mozne dat i do vysilace, ale tim se pravdepodobne >>>>> zhorsi SNR >>>>> (signal z vysilace ku svetlo z okoli). >>>>> >>>>> Bendis >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:09:40 +0200, Michal Knezourek >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Jednou se tu vedla debata o pouziti ronji na hodne kratky >>>>> vzdalenosti a >>>>> > moznost prehlceni prijimace. >>>>> > >>>>> > Aktualne jeden takovy spoj resim. je jen pres ulici a kdyz >>>>> clovek presne >>>>> > zameri tak je tam pres 5V a je to prehlceny.. kdyz s tim uhnu aby >>>>> tam >>>>> > bylo neco pres 4 tak je velkej loss .. >>>>> > >>>>> > nejake reseni jak snizit dosah ronje ? :-) >>>>> > Kneza >> >> >> >> To mi prijde trochu prasacke, kdyz se ve specifikacich pise: >> Minimum operating distance 1/15 of nominal range. Further manual >> reduction possible by change of two passive components in receiver. >> >> Martin >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Sep 15 02:03:09 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Wed Sep 15 02:03:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nejake vysledky s pridanim C154 In-Reply-To: <20040914074033.GB600@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040915010309.GA13366@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 07:40:33AM +0000, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 01:40:52AM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > > Zkusil jsem promerit dve me rxka pred a po pridani C154 > > > > Vysledky: > > > > rx vzdalenost mezni RSSI RSSI bez signalu > > 2 180 cm 110 mV - > > 2+ 205 cm 85 mV 132 mV > > 4 44 cm 145 mV 90 mV > > 4+ 55 cm 145 mV 170 mV > > Hm, super, zajimavy, diky za ozkouseni :) No to RSSI bude asi dost nesmysl, protoze jsem pak zjistil, ze jsem mel merak omylem prepnuty na stridave napeti. Nasledujici mereni je ale v poradku. > Muzes prosimte jeste k tomu prilozit paralelne 10nF (cili 3 kondy ted) > a pak jeste jedno 100nF (4 kondy ted) a zmerit stejne veci, ktere jsi > zde uvedl? V poradi, jak jsem je meril (na konci jsem ty 2 zase odpajel): rx vzdalenost mezni RSSI RSSI bez signalu 4+ 56 cm 210 mV 104 mV 4++ 54 cm 190 mV 78 mV 4+++ 54 cm 178 mV 50 mV 4+ 57 cm 210 mV 95 mV 2+ 200 cm 226 mV 90 mV 2++ 203 cm 193 mV 90 mV 2+++ 206 cm 212 mV 83 mV 2+ 210 cm 190 mV 90 mV Rekl bych, ze se to v podstate nezmenilo. Postupne se zvetsujici vzdalenost u 2 (z 200 na 210) bude spis tim, ze jsem se to naucil lepe zamerovat. -- Ondrej Zajicek From kneza at poupe.net Wed Sep 15 08:15:01 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Sep 15 08:15:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) In-Reply-To: <414782EF.5000301@matfyz.cz> References: <20040914200857Z1306289-26761+43109@mail.centrum.cz> <414763E9.5030108@tiscali.cz> <4147646E.7030104@poupe.net> <414782EF.5000301@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <4147EBF5.2030709@poupe.net> Super, minimalni vzdalenost je jestli se nemilim 93m (kdyz nominal je 1400), takze pokud potrebuji provoz na 25m (pres ulici mezi baraky) tak potrebuji 1/4tinu - tj.16x mensi zesileni? ;-). muzete mi to nekdo spocitat? ;-) nejak ten vzorecek nechapu (mozna je to tim ze je rano, ale.... ;-)) a dalsi problem je ten ze v aktualnim schematu C110 neexistuje ;-) Kero: zatim diky - presne tohle jsem chtel vedet ;-) Kneza Kero wrote: > Mail ze 7.6.2004 > > On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 11:13:45AM +0200, Tom?? Chaloupka wrote: > > >> A muzu se zeptat z jakeho duvodu tomu tak je a jake 2 pasivni > komponenty > >> je kvuli tomu potreba vymenit? > > Je to z duvodu ze NE592 se prebudi signalem. > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > > Da se misto C110 seriova kombinace odpor R a > kondenzator C takova, aby platilo > (R+32ohm))*C=270pF*32ohm > pricemz zesileni se snizi v pomeru 32/(R+32) > > Potrebujeme-li 2x mensi vzdalenost nez minimalni, zesileni musi byt 4x > mensi > (je to umera s druhou mocninou). > > Cl< > > Ne ze bych tomu prilis rozumel, ale mozna to s tim souvisi ^^' > > Kero-chan > >> > >> Diky > >> > > > Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > >> presne tak.. otazka zni co teda za co vymenit :-) >> Kneza >> >> >> Martin Stachon wrote: >> >>> Martin Benda wrote: >>> >>>> hmmm, dalsi mozne reseni... :-) >>>> >>>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:45 +0200, Jakub Michn?k >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> a co kdybys jenom rozsteloval ohnisko? >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>> Od: "Martin Benda" >>>>>> Komu: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>>> Datum: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:44:25 +0200 >>>>>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Resenim muze byt umisteni clony do prijimace (nebo pouzit kourove >>>>>> sklo >>>>>> ;-). Clonu je mozne dat i do vysilace, ale tim se pravdepodobne >>>>>> zhorsi SNR >>>>>> (signal z vysilace ku svetlo z okoli). >>>>>> >>>>>> Bendis >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:09:40 +0200, Michal Knezourek >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Jednou se tu vedla debata o pouziti ronji na hodne kratky >>>>>> vzdalenosti a >>>>>> > moznost prehlceni prijimace. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Aktualne jeden takovy spoj resim. je jen pres ulici a kdyz >>>>>> clovek presne >>>>>> > zameri tak je tam pres 5V a je to prehlceny.. kdyz s tim uhnu >>>>>> aby tam >>>>>> > bylo neco pres 4 tak je velkej loss .. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > nejake reseni jak snizit dosah ronje ? :-) >>>>>> > Kneza >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To mi prijde trochu prasacke, kdyz se ve specifikacich pise: >>> Minimum operating distance 1/15 of nominal range. Further manual >>> reduction possible by change of two passive components in receiver. >>> >>> Martin >>> >> From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 14:25:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:25:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Schematic connections In-Reply-To: <007601c498c5$ec747190$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <146197062.20040911225935@fonoc.net> <41446099.70700@katka.biz> <007601c498c5$ec747190$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20040915132517.GA1123@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 02:42:10PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > Thx alot, found it in the history. > > But what is RSSI ? (J104/J105 Receiver) RSSI is a voltage that is bigger when received signal is bigger. Cl< > > > Martin Polehla wrote: > > > How-to connect picture by steebe is in thread with name like Zapojeni > > !!! ... try history, or I saved the picture on: > > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/ronja_connect-steebe.png. But link > > is not 100%, becose it's my local machine and I shut it down sometimes. > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 14:27:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:27:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? In-Reply-To: <41444632.206@poupe.net> References: <41444632.206@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040915132749.GB1123@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 02:50:58PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Ahoj, > mam tu jedno tx co chodilo a prestalo... Co se delo mezi okamzikem kdy to poprve nechodilo a okamzikem, ktery byl o sekundu driv? > zkousel jsem postupne odpajet casti jednotlive a hledal kde je chyba.. > problem je ten ze kdyz je zapojena dioda tak stabilizator ma na vstupu > misto 12V 5.8V a leze z nej 4.2V misto 5ti.. > > kdepak muze byt chyba? kdyz odletuju diodu tak se to chova jak ma ;-) Kterou diodu? > dodavam ze dioda kdyz je zapajena tak sviti i bez signalu ;-( > > zkrat jsem prohledal moc dobre a jak rikam fungovalo to ;-) Ktery zkrat? Cl< > > Kneza > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 14:30:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:30:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? In-Reply-To: <41446F99.5010507@poupe.net> References: <41444632.206@poupe.net> <002d01c498d7$cf0ddf80$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <414462C9.6000004@poupe.net> <41446F99.5010507@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040915133039.GC1123@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 05:47:37PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > vyreseno.. C16 zapojen nalevo od R10 namisto napravo ;-) Rikas ze ten kus chodil a pak najednou prestal. Tobe se kondenzatory samovolne vyletovavaji a preletovavaji jinam? To tam mate asi nejake celkem silne energeticke pole ve vzduchu, ze to dokaze roztavit kapku cinu, ne? Nejste blizko BTSky? Cl< > Kneza > > Michal Knezourek wrote: > >to jsem samozrejmne udelal hned jako prvni a bez reakce.. > > > >hlavni problem je v tom ze sviti i kdyz neni zapojenej datak a shodi to > >napeti na stabliku z 12ti na 6 a z 5ti na 4 > > > >zatim to vidim na mrtve brouky? > >Kneza > > > > > > > >Cipis wrote: > > > >>tak tu diodu vymen > >> > >>Cipis > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" > >>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:50 PM > >>Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? > >> > >> > >> > >>>Ahoj, > >>>mam tu jedno tx co chodilo a prestalo... > >>>zkousel jsem postupne odpajet casti jednotlive a hledal kde je chyba.. > >>>problem je ten ze kdyz je zapojena dioda tak stabilizator ma na > >>>vstupu misto 12V 5.8V a leze z nej 4.2V misto 5ti.. > >>> > >>>kdepak muze byt chyba? kdyz odletuju diodu tak se to chova jak ma ;-) > >>>dodavam ze dioda kdyz je zapajena tak sviti i bez signalu ;-( > >>> > >>>zkrat jsem prohledal moc dobre a jak rikam fungovalo to ;-) > >>> > >>>Kneza > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 14:31:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:31:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] proud do diody In-Reply-To: <20040912155346Z1302464-19865+166531@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040912155346Z1302464-19865+166531@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040915133127.GD1123@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 05:53:31PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > jeden Tx nam sviti nak min,ale neni to nak extra kriticke. na zemi mi to > chodilo, v trubkach je ale problem zamerit 2. paprsek. rozebral sem trubku > (porod) a zmeril jak velky I tece do diody. pri pripojenem koaxu bez paketu > tece jenom 46mA. jak je to u druheho nevim, nechce se mi to rozebirat. mam > zmenit ten jeji predradny odpor, aby teklo 65mA jak je psane v schematu? Kdyz jsi meril proud diodou na zemi predtim nez jsi to daval do trubek, kolik tam bylo? Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 14:34:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:34:47 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?oFtSb25qYV2gVHdpc3Rl?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?r=A0power=A0consumpcion?= In-Reply-To: <1081.195.205.177.214.1095005601.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <1515.195.205.177.214.1094931168.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040911200005.GD18943@beton.cybernet.src> <1081.195.205.177.214.1095005601.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040915133446.GF1123@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 06:13:21PM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > > At least one pin from the bottom sides seems to have too little solder - > > almost > > dry. Fix this. > > That was only picture effect, all is ok, but anyway I correct all solders. > Bug is still present :( > > > http://www.intercomp.info/~johny/images/DSC00194.JPG > > It is clearly soldered direcly into the board. > > Can you provide a photo where the voltage regulator is visible completely? > > Was it plastic in, metal out or metal in, plastic out? > > Voltage regulator, you mean U68 ??? (I have L7805CV, plastic in front, and > metal in back....) I don't know where is front and where is back on the photo. Was metal nearer the centroid of the PCB than plastic or the other way? Cl< > > > > You are having sockets there. Are they precision sockets? If not, there's > > a chance some of them don't conduct. If they are precision, the chance is > > smaller, but is still there, because it's not a gold-to-gold contact. > > > > Try cleaning them with contact cleaner spray according to spray > > manufacturer's > > instructions. > > Sockets are good. > To this time, I done in fact 3 Twisters. One on my own PCB, and two on > PCB's from Horky. In three cases there is the same problem: 320mA and very > HOT AM26ls32 and 31. It is VERYYYYY small chance that I done some > mistakaes. > Are you shoure AM26LS32ACN and 31 are good ? I done an experiment. I get > out this IC's and plug the power with amhermeter without this IC's. And > Twister take 175 mA...... > Anyway , tomorow I will buy DS26LS32 and 31, and I we will see.... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 14:44:12 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:44:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <151742518.20040913084007@volny.cz> References: <200409092034.WAA09104@raven.upol.cz> <000501c49911$3d320ac0$0501a8c0@hodza> <151742518.20040913084007@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040915134412.GG1123@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 08:40:07AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > >> S tim jsem v zivote nedelal ale taky by me zajimalo jestli je zpusob jak > >> treba pomoci mekke pajky sletovat 2 hlinikove plechy k sobe. > >> > >> Cl< > > Slysel jsem tento postup: Dat na ten plech vazelinu, a pres vrstvu > vazeliny to zacit smirglovat. Vrstvu je nutne stale udrzovat, protoze > se to musi osmirglovat a pritom k tomu nesmi prijit kyslik. No a kdyz > se to udela, tak se normalni pajkou paji primo do te vazeliny. Pry to > chytne. Nakonec se sundaji zbytky te vazeliny.... Jak chytne - plamenem? A jak kvalitni chemicky oblek se pri tom musi nosit? :) Cl< > > Nezkousel jsem to. > > OndraT > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 14:50:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:50:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 1150m spoj ve Zdare nad Sazavou In-Reply-To: <4145C52D.5050602@sattnet.cz> References: <20040911182103Z1301214-19865+154416@mail.centrum.cz> <20040912050618.GC211@beton.cybernet.src> <002701c498ae$6e135a30$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040913154717.GC24706@beton.cybernet.src> <4145C52D.5050602@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040915135001.GH1123@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 06:05:01PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Zdarvim. Asi pred ctyrmy dny jsme "rozchodili" 1150m dlouhy spoj. Sice > to neni jeste 100%ni, ceka me vymena cocek u obou prijimacu, ukazaly se > jako shitoidni, ale zejmena vecer a kdyz je sero jede 10Mbit FD (male > RSSI kvuli utlumu krivych, zelenych cocek). Nechci psat moje pripominky > a rady, protoze jich je zde vice nez dost, dekuji take Petru Zapadlovi > za pomoc pri zamerovani ;-). > > Na obou stranach pouzita optika - 13cm cocky ala vietnam, vysilaci led > HPWT-BD00-E4000, prijimaci SFH203, Rx Tx moduly v hnizdu, interface > Twister na PCB. Podotykam, ze mam mechaniku presne dle clocka ;-), coz > jsem v galerce videl jen spore. Hm super, tak ted uz vim s jistotou, ze jsem ty zelene cocky zabanoval opravnene :) Kdyby ta mechanika nebyla podle navodu, tak bych mohl mit podezreni na ni. > > foto zde - http://web.wifistar.net/ronja No route to host, mtr web.wifistar.net: 8. ge-0-0-0.Pha-TSS-1.net.tiscali.cz 0% 45 45 1 1 1 2 9. fe-0-48.Pha-L3-2.net.tiscali.cz 0% 45 45 2 1 2 3 10. mwsatt.worldonline.cz 9% 41 45 22 18 29 52 11. ??? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 14:57:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:57:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] obruce na cocky In-Reply-To: <1095100834.4145e9a252240@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <189706.598256-18317-1289742978-1095056837@email.seznam.cz> <1095100834.4145e9a252240@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040915135725.GJ1123@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 08:40:34PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Ja to lepim silikonem DOW CORNING 744 a uz rok drzi. Ale pravda je taky, ze Dow Chemical bojkotovat -- viz tragedie v Bhopalu: http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/news/details?news_id=95504 Ja od Dow Chemical nic nekupuju, je spousta jinych firem co vyrabi silikon. Cl< > mezera mezi obrockou a trubkou je v mem pripade mensi 0,1mm. > > > > > drzi vubec silicon na tom silonu? podle me ten silon je docela neprilnavy From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 14:58:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 14:58:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <1095100989.4145ea3d57940@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <200409092034.WAA09104@raven.upol.cz> <000501c49911$3d320ac0$0501a8c0@hodza> <151742518.20040913084007@volny.cz> <1095100989.4145ea3d57940@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040915135841.GK1123@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 08:43:09PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Misto vazeliny je lepsi pajeci pasta eumetol a vrstva musi byt opravdu silna. > Osmirglovat staci predem. > Dalsi zpusob je /podle amaterskeho radia/ nejdriv poniklovat a pak normalne pajet. Niklikem? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 15:18:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 15:19:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour In-Reply-To: <002d01c499cd$594a1830$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040913165546.GA24906@beton.cybernet.src> <002d01c499cd$594a1830$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040915141854.GA1302@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 10:07:41PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > A muze nekdo Windows user only vysvetlit, jak pomoci toho scriptu potom > stahnu tu Ronja Guide????? > Predpokladam, ze pomoci toho skriptu budu z netu stahovat uz jen > aktualizace, ze? Pripsal jsem tohle do podminek: "Requires a GNU/Linux system or some other system where /bin/bash exists and scripts can be executed." GNU/Linux se da stahnout zdarma a je portabilni, takze by to nemel byt problem ani pro lidi, kteri ho nemaji. Windows se nepodporuji, protoze nejsou free software. Cl< > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour > > > > On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 06:28:52PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > Ta to me ne... > > > Jdu na stranku: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/DownloadRonja > > > > > > Kdyz chci stahnout "Ronja Guide with Tour" kliknu na polozku action a > chce > > > to login. Tak jsem pouzil login TWikiGuest with password guest. > > > > > > Dostal jsem se na stranku > > > > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/attach/Main/DownloadRonja?filename=download_r > > > onja_guide_tour&revInfo=1 > > > > > > Kdyz kliknu na view verze 1,2 objevi se mi stranka s timto textem (to > same > > > se objevi ikdyz kliknu na odkaz download_ronja_guide_tour pod polozkou > > > atachment: > > > > > > if [ $# -eq 0 ] > > > then > > > echo "Usage: $0 directory_to_be_created_and_filled" > > > exit 1 > > > fi > > > if [ -e $1 ] > > > then > > > echo "$1 exists. Supply a directory that doesn't exist " >&2 > > > exit 1 > > > fi > > > mkdir $1 > > > cd $1 > > > > > > rm -rf ronja.twibright.com images.twibright.com > > > wget -EHrk -l inf -Dronja.twibright.com http://ronja.twibright.com > > > find . -name '*.html' -type f -exec grep -o \ > > > "http://images.twibright.com/tns/[^/]*\.html" "{}" ";" | sort | uniq > > urls > > > wget -nc -Ekpr -l 1 -i urls > > > rm urls > > > cd .. > > > Jak to mam tedy stahnout????????????? > > > > No - to co jsi vypsal to uz je ten skript co se ma stahnout :) > > > > Cl< > > > Diky > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 11:54:00AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > > Nejak mi to nejde stahnout... > > > > > > > > > > Prihlasil jsem se jako TWikiGuest (nemam tam registraci). > > > > > > > > Me to jde stahnout aniz bych se prihlasoval. > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > Co je spatne? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.868 (20040910) __________ > > > > > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.869 (20040913) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 15:32:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 15:32:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: help, please? In-Reply-To: <002101c49a25$2ec9a190$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <20040914015214.GB26337@beton.cybernet.src> <002101c49a25$2ec9a190$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20040915143204.GB1302@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 08:36:35AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > AM26LS32 CN Sorry, this is a bug in the guide. I have corrected the equivalents from AM26LS32 to AM26LS32A. I am unable to get AM26LS32 datasheet (are you?) however AM26LS32A datasheet says that AM26LS32 are less sensitive and take more current. I guess this is your case. Please get some other chips and try it with them. Cl< > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: help, please? > > > > > > > any ideas ? any help ? > > > > > > > > There is basically nothing in Twister that could go wrong. So that > > > resolder > > > > all joints, the probable cause is that some joint is a cold join or > some > > > > package is inserted the wrong way. > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > I have the same problem. > > > 2 twister's (airwire) built at the same time and on both the yellow and > red > > > leds are glowing... > > > > What kind of 26LS32 did you use? > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 15:45:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 15:45:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Schematic connections In-Reply-To: <007901c49a45$803849d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <20040914083529.GA259@beton.cybernet.src> <007901c49a45$803849d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20040915144501.GD1302@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 12:27:55PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > What are you saying here is complete wrong. The source of the error was > the > > fact the informations regarding this were totally missing in the guide. I > have > > added them into the guide: > > http://beton/drawings/overall_big.png > > http://beton/drawings/receiver2_big.png > > http://beton/drawings/transmitter_big.png > > > > > Uhm, is it possible that the links are wrong/broken? > should ther not something like .com ? Yes, sorry, replace beton with ronja.twibright.com beton is my local working copy. Cl< > > But i already have correct this to the drawing i added in this mail. > > > Look into the guides again and you should be able to determine the correct > > wiring of all the stuff. If not, complain here again. > > > > To be more specific: > I was first finished with the 2 Twisters i had built in same order. > So i connected them with the 12V Power Supply. > At this time there wasn't any receiver or transmitter. > And already i got a glowing of green and yellow. > So i searched for errors and asked here too. > > After i havent found the error i went on to the reveiver and transmitter to > complete them first, > so i could check the error in a "test-running" system. > At this time i wrote this question (how to wire), because i wasn't sure how > i should connect the 3 parts. > > but thanks. > > I will write you the benefits from the complete system testing. > > Marcel > > > Cl< > > > > > > Are the connections i wrote correct? And where goes J101...105? > > > > > > Marcel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 15:46:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 15:46:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <20040914162437Z1301844-26761+38989@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040914162437Z1301844-26761+38989@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040915144636.GE1302@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 06:24:33PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > mame ronju na strese, RSSI 800 a 250mV + - a mame problem. druha strana odeme > data stahovat muze(ale nak pomalu) ja ne. vidim jeho PC ve svojem, prohlizim > slozky ale kdyz chci skopirovat soubor, tak to kixne, v lepsim pripade stahne > tak 7% napr. z obrazku a taky skonci. cim to muze byt? pingy jedou v klidu, > sitovky 3Com 3C900B-COMBO. nastavene na 10M FD. na strechu mam asi 20m koaxu > (jednim smerem) fakt nevim cim to muze byt. vcera vnoci sem neco skopiroval, > ale jenom mozna 1 soubor. RSSI je pres den zhruba stejne,silt to ma takze > slunko na to neviti...... Jestli jsou pingy v poradku tak to asi nebude Ronjou. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 15:53:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 15:53:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) In-Reply-To: <414725D4.3050805@poupe.net> References: <414725D4.3050805@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040915145316.GF1302@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 07:09:40PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Jednou se tu vedla debata o pouziti ronji na hodne kratky vzdalenosti a > moznost prehlceni prijimace. > > Aktualne jeden takovy spoj resim. je jen pres ulici a kdyz clovek presne > zameri tak je tam pres 5V a je to prehlceny.. kdyz s tim uhnu aby tam > bylo neco pres 4 tak je velkej loss .. > > nejake reseni jak snizit dosah ronje ? :-) Ches-li snizit dosah N-krat, tak zmen v prijimaci hodnotu C161 na 270p/N/N pridej do serie s C161 odpor o hodnote 32*N*N-32 ohmu. Cl< > Kneza > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Sep 15 15:54:51 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Wed Sep 15 15:54:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem In-Reply-To: <20040914162437Z1301844-26761+38989@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040914162437Z1301844-26761+38989@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <414857BB.503@hoidekr.net> Mate AUI nebo Twister? S AUI a windows bych to videl na problem s FullDuplex pod win na AUI - nefunguje korektne. Uz jsem tady o tom psal. Honza Jakub Michn?k wrote: > mame ronju na strese, RSSI 800 a 250mV + - a mame problem. druha strana odeme data stahovat muze(ale nak pomalu) ja ne. vidim jeho PC ve svojem, prohlizim slozky ale kdyz chci skopirovat soubor, tak to kixne, v lepsim pripade stahne tak 7% napr. z obrazku a taky skonci. cim to muze byt? pingy jedou v klidu, sitovky 3Com 3C900B-COMBO. nastavene na 10M FD. na strechu mam asi 20m koaxu (jednim smerem) fakt nevim cim to muze byt. vcera vnoci sem neco skopiroval, ale jenom mozna 1 soubor. RSSI je pres den zhruba stejne,silt to ma takze slunko na to neviti...... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From kneza at poupe.net Wed Sep 15 16:25:15 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Sep 15 16:25:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? In-Reply-To: <20040915133039.GC1123@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41444632.206@poupe.net> <002d01c498d7$cf0ddf80$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <414462C9.6000004@poupe.net> <41446F99.5010507@poupe.net> <20040915133039.GC1123@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41485EDB.90603@poupe.net> Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 05:47:37PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > >>vyreseno.. C16 zapojen nalevo od R10 namisto napravo ;-) > > > Rikas ze ten kus chodil a pak najednou prestal. Tobe se kondenzatory samovolne > vyletovavaji a preletovavaji jinam? To tam mate asi nejake celkem silne > energeticke pole ve vzduchu, ze to dokaze roztavit kapku cinu, ne? Nejste > blizko BTSky? > > Cl< ? Lol.. ja to dost dobre nechapu.. ja to doma zkousel a pohoda.... pak to doma zkousel dalsi den kamos a pohoda.. na strese nam to nechodilo a pak jsem zjistil tohle... fakt to nechapu.. a nikdy nepochopim.. zahada... :-) Kneza > >>Kneza >> >>Michal Knezourek wrote: >> >>>to jsem samozrejmne udelal hned jako prvni a bez reakce.. >>> >>>hlavni problem je v tom ze sviti i kdyz neni zapojenej datak a shodi to >>>napeti na stabliku z 12ti na 6 a z 5ti na 4 >>> >>>zatim to vidim na mrtve brouky? >>>Kneza >>> >>> >>> >>>Cipis wrote: >>> >>> >>>>tak tu diodu vymen >>>> >>>>Cipis >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" >>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:50 PM >>>>Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Ahoj, >>>>>mam tu jedno tx co chodilo a prestalo... >>>>>zkousel jsem postupne odpajet casti jednotlive a hledal kde je chyba.. >>>>>problem je ten ze kdyz je zapojena dioda tak stabilizator ma na >>>>>vstupu misto 12V 5.8V a leze z nej 4.2V misto 5ti.. >>>>> >>>>>kdepak muze byt chyba? kdyz odletuju diodu tak se to chova jak ma ;-) >>>>>dodavam ze dioda kdyz je zapajena tak sviti i bez signalu ;-( >>>>> >>>>>zkrat jsem prohledal moc dobre a jak rikam fungovalo to ;-) >>>>> >>>>>Kneza >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Sep 15 17:49:08 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 17:49:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) Message-ID: <20040915164913Z1306682-26761+65603@mail.centrum.cz> jo no, ale kdyz to das do trubek a zalepis a vsechno a zistis ze je to prebuzene.... menit soucastky je mozna vetsi komplikace nez to vyresit nak "mechanicky"(jestli sem si to teda dobre prelozil, AN neumim:(( ) .... ale tech moznosti je fakt moc. my sme treba (abych videl pri mereni) prikry?i Tx papirem (obyc A4) a na 280m kleslo RSSI z cca 250mV na 30mV.... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Martin Stachon > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:34:33 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) > > Martin Benda wrote: > > hmmm, dalsi mozne reseni... :-) > > > > On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:45 +0200, Jakub Michn?k > > wrote: > > > >> a co kdybys jenom rozsteloval ohnisko? > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> > >>> Od: "Martin Benda" > >>> Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > >>> Datum: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:44:25 +0200 > >>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) > >>> > >>> Resenim muze byt umisteni clony do prijimace (nebo pouzit kourove sklo > >>> ;-). Clonu je mozne dat i do vysilace, ale tim se pravdepodobne > >>> zhorsi SNR > >>> (signal z vysilace ku svetlo z okoli). > >>> > >>> Bendis > >>> > >>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:09:40 +0200, Michal Knezourek > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > Jednou se tu vedla debata o pouziti ronji na hodne kratky > >>> vzdalenosti a > >>> > moznost prehlceni prijimace. > >>> > > >>> > Aktualne jeden takovy spoj resim. je jen pres ulici a kdyz clovek > >>> presne > >>> > zameri tak je tam pres 5V a je to prehlceny.. kdyz s tim uhnu aby tam > >>> > bylo neco pres 4 tak je velkej loss .. > >>> > > >>> > nejake reseni jak snizit dosah ronje ? :-) > >>> > Kneza > > To mi prijde trochu prasacke, kdyz se ve specifikacich pise: > Minimum operating distance 1/15 of nominal range. Further manual reduction possible by change of two passive components in receiver. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Sep 15 17:51:58 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 17:52:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <20040915165204Z1306354-26761+65632@mail.centrum.cz> trochu sme to relsili zpusoubem rozstelovat-sestelovat :) a co se nestalo, RSSI mam ted neco mezi 850 a 900mV. ale zas mi to pres den nak divne pingalo..... taky sem si to predtim myslel ze bud jede nebo ne, ale uz me to presvedcilo .... zmena sitovek a dalsich HW/SW nastaveni nepomaha :(((..... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Ondrej Tesar > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:02:08 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] problem > > No doposavad je muj pohled na Ronju takovej, ze bud jede a nebo > nejede. Jine stavy neznam. To co popisujes je podivne. > Tipuji to na chybu SW, routru a tak, ale ne chybu Ronjy. Muzu se > mylit, tot jen takovy vystrel od boku. > > Ondra > > JM> mame ronju na strese, RSSI 800 a 250mV + - a mame problem. druha strana odeme data stahovat muze(ale nak pomalu) ja ne. vidim jeho PC ve svojem, prohlizim slozky ale kdyz chci skopirovat soubor, > JM> tak to kixne, v lepsim pripade stahne tak 7% napr. z obrazku a taky skonci. cim to muze byt? pingy jedou v klidu, sitovky 3Com 3C900B-COMBO. nastavene na 10M FD. na strechu mam asi 20m koaxu > JM> (jednim smerem) fakt nevim cim to muze byt. vcera vnoci sem neco skopiroval, ale jenom mozna 1 soubor. RSSI je pres den zhruba stejne,silt to ma takze slunko na to neviti...... > > > > > > JM> _______________________________________________ > JM> Ronja mailing list > JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Sep 15 18:01:05 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 18:01:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] proud do diody Message-ID: <20040915170110Z1305701-26761+65816@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:31:27 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] proud do diody > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 05:53:31PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > jeden Tx nam sviti nak min,ale neni to nak extra kriticke. na zemi mi to > > chodilo, v trubkach je ale problem zamerit 2. paprsek. rozebral sem trubku > > (porod) a zmeril jak velky I tece do diody. pri pripojenem koaxu bez paketu > > tece jenom 46mA. jak je to u druheho nevim, nechce se mi to rozebirat. mam > > zmenit ten jeji predradny odpor, aby teklo 65mA jak je psane v schematu? > > Kdyz jsi meril proud diodou na zemi predtim nez jsi to daval do trubek, kolik > tam bylo? ja ho nemeril :) asi sem to mel udelat. uznavam chybu :) . dal sem k tomu neco paralelne ze ted tece neco kolem 59mA. ? dik > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Sep 15 18:03:04 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 18:03:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 1150m spoj ve Zdare nad Sazavou In-Reply-To: <20040915135001.GH1123@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040911182103Z1301214-19865+154416@mail.centrum.cz> <20040912050618.GC211@beton.cybernet.src> <002701c498ae$6e135a30$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040913154717.GC24706@beton.cybernet.src> <4145C52D.5050602@sattnet.cz> <20040915135001.GH1123@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <414875C8.7080309@sattnet.cz> Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): >On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 06:05:01PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > >>Zdarvim. Asi pred ctyrmy dny jsme "rozchodili" 1150m dlouhy spoj. Sice >>to neni jeste 100%ni, ceka me vymena cocek u obou prijimacu, ukazaly se >>jako shitoidni, ale zejmena vecer a kdyz je sero jede 10Mbit FD (male >>RSSI kvuli utlumu krivych, zelenych cocek). Nechci psat moje pripominky >>a rady, protoze jich je zde vice nez dost, dekuji take Petru Zapadlovi >>za pomoc pri zamerovani ;-). >> >>Na obou stranach pouzita optika - 13cm cocky ala vietnam, vysilaci led >>HPWT-BD00-E4000, prijimaci SFH203, Rx Tx moduly v hnizdu, interface >>Twister na PCB. Podotykam, ze mam mechaniku presne dle clocka ;-), coz >>jsem v galerce videl jen spore. >> >> > >Hm super, tak ted uz vim s jistotou, ze jsem ty zelene cocky zabanoval >opravnene :) Kdyby ta mechanika nebyla podle navodu, tak bych mohl mit >podezreni na ni. > > > Cocky jsou vazne crap. Shanim jine, nema nekdo? :-) Ted uz vim, ze Ronja funguje i na vetsi vzdalenosti :-))). >>foto zde - http://web.wifistar.net/ronja >> >> > >No route to host, mtr web.wifistar.net: > > > No, zkus to ted. > 8. ge-0-0-0.Pha-TSS-1.net.tiscali.cz 0% 45 45 1 1 1 2 > 9. fe-0-48.Pha-L3-2.net.tiscali.cz 0% 45 45 2 1 2 3 >10. mwsatt.worldonline.cz 9% 41 45 22 18 29 52 >11. ??? > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Sep 15 18:06:52 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 18:07:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem Message-ID: <20040915170657Z1303072-26764+65670@mail.centrum.cz> twistr. ted ho krabicuju, tak v noci udelam dalsi mereni..... uvidim. vcera to jelo jaks taks..... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Jan Hoidekr > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:54:51 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] problem > > Mate AUI nebo Twister? S AUI a windows bych to videl na problem s > FullDuplex pod win na AUI - nefunguje korektne. Uz jsem tady o tom psal. > > Honza > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > mame ronju na strese, RSSI 800 a 250mV + - a mame problem. druha strana odeme data stahovat muze(ale nak pomalu) ja ne. vidim jeho PC ve svojem, prohlizim slozky ale kdyz chci skopirovat soubor, tak to kixne, v lepsim pripade stahne tak 7% napr. z obrazku a taky skonci. cim to muze byt? pingy jedou v klidu, sitovky 3Com 3C900B-COMBO. nastavene na 10M FD. na strechu mam asi 20m koaxu (jednim smerem) fakt nevim cim to muze byt. vcera vnoci sem neco skopiroval, ale jenom mozna 1 soubor. RSSI je pres den zhruba stejne,silt to ma takze slunko na to neviti...... > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Sep 15 18:08:25 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 18:08:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? Message-ID: <20040915170837Z1301629-26760+65637@mail.centrum.cz> ufo :O ..... kruhy v obili..... :O ........:) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Knezourek > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:25:15 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 05:47:37PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > > > >>vyreseno.. C16 zapojen nalevo od R10 namisto napravo ;-) > > > > > > Rikas ze ten kus chodil a pak najednou prestal. Tobe se kondenzatory samovolne > > vyletovavaji a preletovavaji jinam? To tam mate asi nejake celkem silne > > energeticke pole ve vzduchu, ze to dokaze roztavit kapku cinu, ne? Nejste > > blizko BTSky? > > > > Cl< > ? > Lol.. ja to dost dobre nechapu.. ja to doma zkousel a pohoda.... pak to > doma zkousel dalsi den kamos a pohoda.. na strese nam to nechodilo a pak > jsem zjistil tohle... fakt to nechapu.. a nikdy nepochopim.. zahada... :-) > Kneza > > > > > >>Kneza > >> > >>Michal Knezourek wrote: > >> > >>>to jsem samozrejmne udelal hned jako prvni a bez reakce.. > >>> > >>>hlavni problem je v tom ze sviti i kdyz neni zapojenej datak a shodi to > >>>napeti na stabliku z 12ti na 6 a z 5ti na 4 > >>> > >>>zatim to vidim na mrtve brouky? > >>>Kneza > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Cipis wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>tak tu diodu vymen > >>>> > >>>>Cipis > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" > >>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:50 PM > >>>>Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Ahoj, > >>>>>mam tu jedno tx co chodilo a prestalo... > >>>>>zkousel jsem postupne odpajet casti jednotlive a hledal kde je chyba.. > >>>>>problem je ten ze kdyz je zapojena dioda tak stabilizator ma na > >>>>>vstupu misto 12V 5.8V a leze z nej 4.2V misto 5ti.. > >>>>> > >>>>>kdepak muze byt chyba? kdyz odletuju diodu tak se to chova jak ma ;-) > >>>>>dodavam ze dioda kdyz je zapajena tak sviti i bez signalu ;-( > >>>>> > >>>>>zkrat jsem prohledal moc dobre a jak rikam fungovalo to ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>>Kneza > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From chalucha at centrum.cz Wed Sep 15 18:33:48 2004 From: chalucha at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9_Chaloupka?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 18:33:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? In-Reply-To: <20040915170837Z1301629-26760+65637@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040915170837Z1301629-26760+65637@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <41487CFC.7030603@centrum.cz> Aby jste si nemisleli, ze se Kneza zblaznil, tak ja byl ten posledni kdo to zkousel, prenesl sem na tom pul giga uplne v pohode, soupnul sem to do tasky a na strese nic :) Cestou sem se nikde nestavoval a byl sem uplne strizlivej :) Jakub Michn?k wrote: >ufo :O ..... kruhy v obili..... :O ........:) > >______________________________________________________________ > > >>Od: Michal Knezourek >>Komu: Twibright Ronja >>Datum: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:25:15 +0200 >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? >> >>Karel Kulhav? wrote: >> >> >>>On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 05:47:37PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>vyreseno.. C16 zapojen nalevo od R10 namisto napravo ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>Rikas ze ten kus chodil a pak najednou prestal. Tobe se kondenzatory samovolne >>>vyletovavaji a preletovavaji jinam? To tam mate asi nejake celkem silne >>>energeticke pole ve vzduchu, ze to dokaze roztavit kapku cinu, ne? Nejste >>>blizko BTSky? >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>> >>? >>Lol.. ja to dost dobre nechapu.. ja to doma zkousel a pohoda.... pak to >>doma zkousel dalsi den kamos a pohoda.. na strese nam to nechodilo a pak >>jsem zjistil tohle... fakt to nechapu.. a nikdy nepochopim.. zahada... :-) >>Kneza >> >> >> >> >>>>Kneza >>>> >>>>Michal Knezourek wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>to jsem samozrejmne udelal hned jako prvni a bez reakce.. >>>>> >>>>>hlavni problem je v tom ze sviti i kdyz neni zapojenej datak a shodi to >>>>>napeti na stabliku z 12ti na 6 a z 5ti na 4 >>>>> >>>>>zatim to vidim na mrtve brouky? >>>>>Kneza >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Cipis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>tak tu diodu vymen >>>>>> >>>>>>Cipis >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" >>>>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:50 PM >>>>>>Subject: [Ronja] Divne TX - kde je chyba? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Ahoj, >>>>>>>mam tu jedno tx co chodilo a prestalo... >>>>>>>zkousel jsem postupne odpajet casti jednotlive a hledal kde je chyba.. >>>>>>>problem je ten ze kdyz je zapojena dioda tak stabilizator ma na >>>>>>>vstupu misto 12V 5.8V a leze z nej 4.2V misto 5ti.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>kdepak muze byt chyba? kdyz odletuju diodu tak se to chova jak ma ;-) >>>>>>>dodavam ze dioda kdyz je zapajena tak sviti i bez signalu ;-( >>>>>>> >>>>>>>zkrat jsem prohledal moc dobre a jak rikam fungovalo to ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Kneza >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Sep 15 19:51:05 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Sep 15 19:51:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <20040915135841.GK1123@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200409092034.WAA09104@raven.upol.cz> <000501c49911$3d320ac0$0501a8c0@hodza> <151742518.20040913084007@volny.cz> <1095100989.4145ea3d57940@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040915135841.GK1123@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1095274265.41488f197ac41@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 08:43:09PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Misto vazeliny je lepsi pajeci pasta eumetol a vrstva musi byt opravdu > silna. > > Osmirglovat staci predem. > > Dalsi zpusob je /podle amaterskeho radia/ nejdriv poniklovat a pak normalne > pajet. > > Niklikem? > > Cl< Jo, niklikem. Nemas nahodou po ruce slozeni? From mixaj at mymail.cz Wed Sep 15 19:50:55 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Wed Sep 15 20:13:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour References: <20040913165546.GA24906@beton.cybernet.src><002d01c499cd$594a1830$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040915141854.GA1302@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <006401c49b58$36e485f0$fd02a8c0@diablo> > Pripsal jsem tohle do podminek: > "Requires a GNU/Linux system or some other system where /bin/bash exists and > scripts can be executed." > > GNU/Linux se da stahnout zdarma a je portabilni, takze by to nemel byt problem > ani pro lidi, kteri ho nemaji. Windows se nepodporuji, protoze nejsou free > software. Ale asi by si melo hodne lidi uvedomit, ze ne kazdej umi LINUX a ma Linux a ne kazdej chce pouzivat Linux. Treba takovej mensi dodatek, ze na Windows se to da spustit pomoci UnixUtils tim a tim zpusobem, by myslim byl vhodnej.... Jak to pod Windows spustit (stahnout) uz tady psal nastesti KERO. Jeste jsem ten jeho postup nezkousel, ale snad bude fungovat... From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 20:50:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 20:50:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 74HC04 In-Reply-To: <6093111367.20040914110009@fonoc.net> References: <6093111367.20040914110009@fonoc.net> Message-ID: <20040915195029.GB1789@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 11:00:09AM +0200, spider wrote: > Hello Ronja, > > Can I replace 74HC04 with 74HCT04 in TX ? > in twister there is T as allowed replacement, but in TX is not ? http://beton/transmitter/material.php here you have the equivalents for transmitter. As you can see, you cannot. It is so that in Twister you can but in transmitter you can't. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 20:53:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 20:53:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Presnost soucastek? In-Reply-To: <20040914174413.GA13666@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040914174413.GA13666@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040915195331.GC1789@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 07:44:13PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Chtel bych se zeptat, s jakou presnosti soucastek se pocita > v navodu ronji? V GMku jim dochazeji 1% odpory a zacinaji U odporu presnost specifikovana neni takze to znamena, ze to musi chodit s jakoukoliv (bezne sehnatelnou). Pokud nebude, pak je to bug v navodu a v tom pripade nareportovat a ja to musim opravit. Cl< > ronjychtivym lidem nabizet 10% odpory :-). > > -- > Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > > Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) > OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) > "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Sep 15 21:01:40 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 21:02:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 74HC04 References: <6093111367.20040914110009@fonoc.net> <20040915195029.GB1789@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000b01c49b5e$d1ff0a00$0103450a@thechosen> nice :) domain beton is really unique on the internet > On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 11:00:09AM +0200, spider wrote: > > Hello Ronja, > > > > Can I replace 74HC04 with 74HCT04 in TX ? > > in twister there is T as allowed replacement, but in TX is not ? > > http://beton/transmitter/material.php here you have the equivalents for > transmitter. As you can see, you cannot. > > It is so that in Twister you can but in transmitter you can't. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 21:06:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 21:06:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zalhceny prijimac? snizeni dosahu :-) In-Reply-To: <4147EBF5.2030709@poupe.net> References: <20040914200857Z1306289-26761+43109@mail.centrum.cz> <414763E9.5030108@tiscali.cz> <4147646E.7030104@poupe.net> <414782EF.5000301@matfyz.cz> <4147EBF5.2030709@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040915200630.GE1789@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:15:01AM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Super, > minimalni vzdalenost je jestli se nemilim 93m (kdyz nominal je 1400), > takze pokud potrebuji provoz na 25m (pres ulici mezi baraky) tak > potrebuji 1/4tinu - tj.16x mensi zesileni? ;-). > > muzete mi to nekdo spocitat? ;-) nejak ten vzorecek nechapu (mozna je to > tim ze je rano, ale.... ;-)) > > a dalsi problem je ten ze v aktualnim schematu C110 neexistuje ;-) Ted se menuje C161. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 21:09:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 21:09:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] proud do diody In-Reply-To: <20040915170110Z1305701-26761+65816@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040915170110Z1305701-26761+65816@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040915200915.GF1789@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > Kdyz jsi meril proud diodou na zemi predtim nez jsi to daval do trubek, kolik > > tam bylo? > > ja ho nemeril :) > > asi sem to mel udelat. uznavam chybu :) . dal sem k tomu neco paralelne ze ted tece neco kolem 59mA. ? No to spis budou spatne sletovany nebo nakoply hradla jestli to s tima odporama co tam jsou nedava ten spravnej proud a nebo buga v navodu. Takhle by se to resit asi nemelo. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 21:24:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 21:24:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour In-Reply-To: <006401c49b58$36e485f0$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040915141854.GA1302@beton.cybernet.src> <006401c49b58$36e485f0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040915202434.GA2012@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:50:55PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > Pripsal jsem tohle do podminek: > > "Requires a GNU/Linux system or some other system where /bin/bash exists > and > > scripts can be executed." > > > > GNU/Linux se da stahnout zdarma a je portabilni, takze by to nemel byt > problem > > ani pro lidi, kteri ho nemaji. Windows se nepodporuji, protoze nejsou free > > software. > > > Ale asi by si melo hodne lidi uvedomit, ze ne kazdej umi LINUX a ma Linux a > ne kazdej chce pouzivat Linux. Je to nejpouzivanejsi free software OS. Kdo neumi, muze se to naucit. Dokumentace jsou zdarma k dispozici na Internetu a pokud nejaka cast dokumentace chybi, resi se to poslanim bugreportu na prislusne misto. Delat podporu pro neco komercniho je dle meho nazoru uz v dnesni dobe odkecane a taky to neni mozne z hlediska financniho. Tezko si budu kupovat licenci Windows za N tisic korun, abych zjistil, jak se to konfiguruje pod Windowsama, mozna zjistil, ze Windows jsou neopravitelne broken, a pak poslalo 20 dalsich lidi navrhy jake dalsi obskurni komercni systemy by se mely podporovat a jejichz licenci bych si mel zakoupit. Mohl bych take dojizdet k nekomu kdo doma windows ma s kazdou picovinou, kterou bych tam potreboval odzkouset - tomu se muzu rovnou vysmat. A nebo se na nejake windows logovat vzdalene, pricemz cely system podpory by se sesypal v okamziku, kdy by dotycna osoba prestala podporu poskytovat. A navic jestli se nepletu je vzdalene logovani se na windowsovy system ilegalni, nebot je to zakazane ve smlouve (EULA). Prijde mi rozumne a transparentni udelat tlustou caru mezi komercnim svetem a svetem svobodne technologie a podporovat jen tu druhou pulku. Podporovat obe cele pulky sveta z vyse uvedenych duvodu nelze a podporovat komercni produkt A a nepodporovat komercni produkt B mi prijde nesmyslne. Cl< > > Treba takovej mensi dodatek, ze na Windows se to da spustit pomoci UnixUtils > tim a tim zpusobem, by myslim byl vhodnej.... > > Jak to pod Windows spustit (stahnout) uz tady psal nastesti KERO. Jeste jsem > ten jeho postup nezkousel, ale snad bude fungovat... > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 21:27:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 21:27:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour' In-Reply-To: <006401c49b58$36e485f0$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040915141854.GA1302@beton.cybernet.src> <006401c49b58$36e485f0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040915202713.GB2012@beton.cybernet.src> > problem > > ani pro lidi, kteri ho nemaji. Windows se nepodporuji, protoze nejsou free > > software. > > > Ale asi by si melo hodne lidi uvedomit, ze ne kazdej umi LINUX a ma Linux a > ne kazdej chce pouzivat Linux. > > Treba takovej mensi dodatek, ze na Windows se to da spustit pomoci UnixUtils > tim a tim zpusobem, by myslim byl vhodnej.... Ja Windows nemam takze postup s unixutils neozkousim, ani nepoznam, jestli postup, ktery poslal nekdo jiny je spravny a nebo je to zrovna nahodou nejaky bogus ktery si vycucal z palce, a nebo taky dobre mineny navod, ktery jemu nahodou zrovna chodi ale nikomu jinemu chodit nebude. Proto je tam Wikina, kde jsou nezarucene veci (uz z principu - kazdy tam muze psat co chce), a tam pochopitelne kdokoliv takovy windowsovy navod s unixutilsama muze pripsat. Cl< > > Jak to pod Windows spustit (stahnout) uz tady psal nastesti KERO. Jeste jsem > ten jeho postup nezkousel, ale snad bude fungovat... > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 21:27:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 21:27:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <1095274265.41488f197ac41@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <200409092034.WAA09104@raven.upol.cz> <000501c49911$3d320ac0$0501a8c0@hodza> <151742518.20040913084007@volny.cz> <1095100989.4145ea3d57940@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040915135841.GK1123@beton.cybernet.src> <1095274265.41488f197ac41@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040915202747.GC2012@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:51:05PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 08:43:09PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > > Misto vazeliny je lepsi pajeci pasta eumetol a vrstva musi byt opravdu > > silna. > > > Osmirglovat staci predem. > > > Dalsi zpusob je /podle amaterskeho radia/ nejdriv poniklovat a pak normalne > > pajet. > > > > Niklikem? > > > > Cl< > > Jo, niklikem. Nemas nahodou po ruce slozeni? Slozeni nemam. Cl< From hodza at czfree-ol.net Wed Sep 15 21:42:37 2004 From: hodza at czfree-ol.net (Milan Kozak) Date: Wed Sep 15 21:30:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <200409151715.TAA10820@raven.upol.cz> References: <200409151715.TAA10820@raven.upol.cz> Message-ID: <2432.158.194.161.13.1095280957.squirrel@158.194.161.13> > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:46:36 +0000 > From: Karel Kulhav? > Subject: Re: [Ronja] problem > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <20040915144636.GE1302@beton.cybernet.src> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 06:24:33PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk > ?= wrote: >> mame ronju na strese, RSSI 800 a 250mV + - a mame problem. druha strana >> odeme >> data stahovat muze(ale nak pomalu) ja ne. vidim jeho PC ve svojem, >> prohlizim >> slozky ale kdyz chci skopirovat soubor, tak to kixne, v lepsim pripade >> stahne >> tak 7% napr. z obrazku a taky skonci. cim to muze byt? pingy jedou v >> klidu, >> sitovky 3Com 3C900B-COMBO. nastavene na 10M FD. na strechu mam asi 20m >> koaxu >> (jednim smerem) fakt nevim cim to muze byt. vcera vnoci sem neco >> skopiroval, >> ale jenom mozna 1 soubor. RSSI je pres den zhruba stejne,silt to ma >> takze >> slunko na to neviti...... > > Jestli jsou pingy v poradku tak to asi nebude Ronjou. > > Cl< Ja mam stejnou zkusenost ale jen na stole. Puvodne jsem to mel na jednom zdroji a nejelo to... Stacilo vymenit jeden zdroj za dva (kazdy TP mel svuj) a vse jelo jak ma. From milos.83 at post.cz Wed Sep 15 22:12:16 2004 From: milos.83 at post.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Milo=B9_Hlad=ECna?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 22:12:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vzdalenost Tx od Rx Message-ID: <93643729c0201e75b9677ca1c0abc978@www2.mail.post.cz> Zdravim, Mam mensi problemek se vzdalenosti modulu Tx od Rx. Mam klasiku zarizeni 2x Tx, 2x Rx, 2x Tw. Tx a Rx jsou hnizda presne dle Clocka - propojeni modulu s Tw je 2m koax. (Jedina odlisnost je ze nemam krabicky z plechu ale z kuprexitu) a Tw je osazen na objednavanem plosnaku ... (Merici body DC vesmes sedej dle Clockovych hodnot - lehce sem musel akorat vytuningovat P104 v Rx ale to asik kazdej z nas mel sem tam puvodne 560Ohm=>7,5V ... stahl sem to na cca 4,8V=>1KOhm a dale sem vyzkousel pridat tzv. C154=1n paralelne na C153=100n - je o tom rozsahla debata na konferenci - vesmes sem velkou zmenu pridanim nepozoroval - snad mirne zlepseni) Kdyz namirim vse proti sobe tak vse normalka funguje jak ma (prenasim data nadhera) jen bohuzel ta vzdalenost modulu neni jak bych si predstavoval ... (Zarizeni by melo slouzit cca na 1,2km - coz je docela hranice moznosti cili bych z toho chtel vymackat na koberci maximum) Jedna strana Tx a Rx jede uuuplne v pohode ... dostanu z ni cca 2,5m na koberci s RSSI cca 0,23V a az teprve pri RSSI pod 0,20V zacinaji PL. S druhou stranou uz je to docela problem ... RSSI se mi chova (klesa) uuuplne stejne jako u prvniho Rx ale bohuzel PL se zacina objevovat uz na 0,50V RSSI. Lehkym pokusem (zamenou modulu) sem zjistil ze kdyz prohodim Tx, Rx moduly (Txa, Rxa, Twa - Txb, Rxb, Twb => Txa, Rxa, Twb - Txb, Rxb, Twa) zacne presne stejnym problemem trpet ta prvni dvojice - cili bych rekl ze neni problem v modulech Tx, Rx ale asi v Twistrech kdyz jedna strana prezvejka v pohode signal do sily 0,23V RSSI a druha jen do 0,50V RSSI a na zamenu modulu to nereaguje. Cili celkove sem z toho schopen dostat tak 1,6m coz mi prijde nic moc ... Da se s tim neco delat ? Slysel uz nekdy o tom, ze jedna strana je takrka nadprumerna a druha se chova spis podprumerne ? Diky Cobrik milos.83 at post.cz nebo milos.83 at centrum.cz From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Wed Sep 15 22:19:54 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 22:19:58 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20konecne=21=21=21?= In-Reply-To: <20040912203317Z1300686-19883+170509@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <499192.65571-1013-553101228-1095283194@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Jakub Michn?k" Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] konecne!!! Datum (Date): 12. 9. 2004 22:33 ================================================== > tak se mi konecne, po asi 2 letech splnil sen. funguje mi ronja :DD je to sice zatim jenom 283m, RSSI 230 a 350 mV,ale este to mozna doladime. > > moc diky vsem co mi davali dobre rady a podporovali jak fyzicky, tak psichycky :)) .... du spat.... ale asi z toho neusnu :)) > > > to ja tak daleko jeste nedosel ;)za to dneska mam svuj prvni miniuspech s ronjou ;) Po prvnim zapojeni twistera to beha :-D ;) > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Wed Sep 15 22:28:17 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Wed Sep 15 22:27:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour' References: <20040915141854.GA1302@beton.cybernet.src><006401c49b58$36e485f0$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040915202713.GB2012@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <005901c49b6a$f6f50d30$fd02a8c0@diablo> OK staci..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour' > > problem > > > ani pro lidi, kteri ho nemaji. Windows se nepodporuji, protoze nejsou free > > > software. > > > > > > Ale asi by si melo hodne lidi uvedomit, ze ne kazdej umi LINUX a ma Linux a > > ne kazdej chce pouzivat Linux. > > > > Treba takovej mensi dodatek, ze na Windows se to da spustit pomoci UnixUtils > > tim a tim zpusobem, by myslim byl vhodnej.... > > Ja Windows nemam takze postup s unixutils neozkousim, ani nepoznam, jestli > postup, ktery poslal nekdo jiny je spravny a nebo je to zrovna nahodou nejaky > bogus ktery si vycucal z palce, a nebo taky dobre mineny navod, ktery jemu > nahodou zrovna chodi ale nikomu jinemu chodit nebude. > > Proto je tam Wikina, kde jsou nezarucene veci (uz z principu - kazdy tam > muze psat co chce), a tam pochopitelne kdokoliv takovy windowsovy navod > s unixutilsama muze pripsat. > > Cl< > > > > > Jak to pod Windows spustit (stahnout) uz tady psal nastesti KERO. Jeste jsem > > ten jeho postup nezkousel, ale snad bude fungovat... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.870 (20040915) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From polous at katka.biz Thu Sep 16 01:47:10 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Sep 15 22:43:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twiki - Downloads Ronja Guide with Tour' In-Reply-To: <20040915202713.GB2012@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040915141854.GA1302@beton.cybernet.src> <006401c49b58$36e485f0$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040915202713.GB2012@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4148E28E.9000509@katka.biz> nehlede k tomu, ze si muzes stahnout live distribuci linuxu, vypalit na cd, a spoustet ho primo z cd. Ovladani je velmi intuitivni. Linux neni hrozba. Obtiznost asi vystihne muj znamy, ktery se o linuxu dozvedel z nejakeho casaku, kde byly i instalacni CD. Vypalil sem mu SlaX (cz live dist.), ten se mu zalibil a asi pred 3nedelema mi psal po ICQ: Ja sem to udelal .. ten clovek ma pocitac maximalne 1.5roku (driv se tomuto sportu evidentne nevenoval), sformatoval disk (nevedel totiz co je partition tak souhlasil) a nainstaloval linux SuSE 8.0. Dneska ma Mandraka10... p0l0us Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>problem >> >> >>>ani pro lidi, kteri ho nemaji. Windows se nepodporuji, protoze nejsou free >>>software. >>> >>> >>Ale asi by si melo hodne lidi uvedomit, ze ne kazdej umi LINUX a ma Linux a >>ne kazdej chce pouzivat Linux. >> >>Treba takovej mensi dodatek, ze na Windows se to da spustit pomoci UnixUtils >>tim a tim zpusobem, by myslim byl vhodnej.... >> >> > >Ja Windows nemam takze postup s unixutils neozkousim, ani nepoznam, jestli >postup, ktery poslal nekdo jiny je spravny a nebo je to zrovna nahodou nejaky >bogus ktery si vycucal z palce, a nebo taky dobre mineny navod, ktery jemu >nahodou zrovna chodi ale nikomu jinemu chodit nebude. > >Proto je tam Wikina, kde jsou nezarucene veci (uz z principu - kazdy tam >muze psat co chce), a tam pochopitelne kdokoliv takovy windowsovy navod >s unixutilsama muze pripsat. > >Cl< > > > >>Jak to pod Windows spustit (stahnout) uz tady psal nastesti KERO. Jeste jsem >>ten jeho postup nezkousel, ale snad bude fungovat... >> >> >>_______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From andy at intercomp.info Wed Sep 15 22:59:45 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Wed Sep 15 22:47:48 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0=A0[Ronja]=A0Twister=A0power=A0consumpcion?= In-Reply-To: <20040915133446.GF1123@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1515.195.205.177.214.1094931168.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040911200005.GD18943@beton.cybernet.src><1081.195.205.177.214.1095005601.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040915133446.GF1123@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1122.195.205.177.214.1095285585.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 06:13:21PM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: >> > At least one pin from the bottom sides seems to have too little solder >> - >> > almost >> > dry. Fix this. >> >> That was only picture effect, all is ok, but anyway I correct all >> solders. >> Bug is still present :( >> >> > http://www.intercomp.info/~johny/images/DSC00194.JPG >> > It is clearly soldered direcly into the board. >> > Can you provide a photo where the voltage regulator is visible >> completely? >> > Was it plastic in, metal out or metal in, plastic out? >> >> Voltage regulator, you mean U68 ??? (I have L7805CV, plastic in front, >> and >> metal in back....) > > I don't know where is front and where is back on the photo. Was metal > nearer > the centroid of the PCB than plastic or the other way? > > Cl< I'm not sure and I maybe don't understand you. But... plastic and the signs on it are "looking" to center of PCB. And the metal side is "looking" outside the BCB. Is that what you asking for ? From andy at intercomp.info Wed Sep 15 23:10:55 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Wed Sep 15 22:58:54 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Re:=A0help=2C=A0please=3F?= In-Reply-To: <20040915143204.GB1302@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040914015214.GB26337@beton.cybernet.src><002101c49a25$2ec9a190$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20040915143204.GB1302@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1176.195.205.177.214.1095286255.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> > On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 08:36:35AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: >> AM26LS32 CN > > Sorry, this is a bug in the guide. I have corrected the equivalents from > AM26LS32 to AM26LS32A. I am unable to get AM26LS32 datasheet (are you?) > however AM26LS32A datasheet says that AM26LS32 are less sensitive and take > more current. I guess this is your case. > > Please get some other chips and try it with them. > I have AM26LS32ACN and AM26LS31CN chips. And I had problem with "red light" in airwire Twister. Now I have Twister on PCb with the same chips. AndI have problem with power consumpcion. Can It be the same problem ? From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 23:45:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 23:46:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vzdalenost Tx od Rx In-Reply-To: <93643729c0201e75b9677ca1c0abc978@www2.mail.post.cz> References: <93643729c0201e75b9677ca1c0abc978@www2.mail.post.cz> Message-ID: <20040915224557.GA2371@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 11:12:16PM +0200, Milo? Hlad?na wrote: > Zdravim, > > Mam mensi problemek se vzdalenosti modulu Tx od Rx. > > Mam klasiku zarizeni 2x Tx, 2x Rx, 2x Tw. Tx a Rx jsou hnizda > presne dle Clocka - propojeni modulu s Tw je 2m koax. (Jedina > odlisnost je ze nemam krabicky z plechu ale z kuprexitu) a Tw je > osazen na objednavanem plosnaku ... (Merici body DC vesmes sedej > dle Clockovych hodnot - lehce sem musel akorat vytuningovat P104 > v Rx ale to asik kazdej z nas mel sem tam puvodne 560Ohm=>7,5V > ... stahl sem to na cca 4,8V=>1KOhm a dale sem vyzkousel pridat > tzv. C154=1n paralelne na C153=100n - je o tom rozsahla debata na > konferenci - vesmes sem velkou zmenu pridanim nepozoroval - snad > mirne zlepseni) > > Kdyz namirim vse proti sobe tak vse normalka funguje jak ma > (prenasim data nadhera) jen bohuzel ta vzdalenost modulu neni jak > bych si predstavoval ... (Zarizeni by melo slouzit cca na 1,2km - > coz je docela hranice moznosti cili bych z toho chtel vymackat na > koberci maximum) Jedna strana Tx a Rx jede uuuplne v pohode ... > dostanu z ni cca 2,5m na koberci s RSSI cca 0,23V a az teprve pri > RSSI pod 0,20V zacinaji PL. S druhou stranou uz je to docela > problem ... RSSI se mi chova (klesa) uuuplne stejne jako u > prvniho Rx ale bohuzel PL se zacina objevovat uz na 0,50V RSSI. > Lehkym pokusem (zamenou modulu) sem zjistil ze kdyz prohodim Tx, > Rx moduly (Txa, Rxa, Twa - Txb, Rxb, Twb => Txa, Rxa, Twb - Txb, > Rxb, Twa) zacne presne stejnym problemem trpet ta prvni dvojice - > cili bych rekl ze neni problem v modulech Tx, Rx ale asi v > Twistrech kdyz jedna strana prezvejka v pohode signal do sily Co pouzivas za nahradu 26LS32? Lisi se necim Twister od navodu? Nemuze to bejt osvetlenim pri testovani? Cl< > > nereaguje. Cili celkove sem z toho schopen dostat tak 1,6m coz mi > prijde nic moc ... > > Da se s tim neco delat ? Slysel uz nekdy o tom, ze jedna strana > je takrka nadprumerna a druha se chova spis podprumerne ? > > Diky Cobrik > > milos.83 at post.cz nebo milos.83 at centrum.cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 15 23:47:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 15 23:47:28 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?oKBbUm9uamFdoFR3aXN0?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?er=A0power=A0consumpcion?= In-Reply-To: <1122.195.205.177.214.1095285585.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <20040915133446.GF1123@beton.cybernet.src> <1122.195.205.177.214.1095285585.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040915224724.GB2371@beton.cybernet.src> > >> and > >> metal in back....) > > > > I don't know where is front and where is back on the photo. Was metal > > nearer > > the centroid of the PCB than plastic or the other way? > > > > Cl< > > I'm not sure and I maybe don't understand you. > But... plastic and the signs on it are "looking" to center of PCB. > And the metal side is "looking" outside the BCB. > Is that what you asking for ? Yes. Then the regulator is soldere in the wrong way and no wonder it doesn't work at all. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Sep 16 00:19:54 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Sep 16 00:19:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak na pktloss v cygwin? Message-ID: <823744138.20040916011954@volny.cz> Zdravim, pokud se nekdo muzete prosim pomoci linuxlame, tak budu rad :-) Chci rozchodit skrypt "pktloss". Po nejakych obstrukcich jsem nainstaloval Cygwin. Na Twiki jsem si precetl, ze potrebuju Grep. V Cygwinu jsem napsal "Grep" a vypadla napoveda jak ho pouzit. Rikam si OK. Pak koukam ze potrebuju rawframes. Tak napisu "rawframes" a vypadne chybova hlaska. A tim jsem skoncil :-(((( Takze otazka je: Jak tam dodat ten "rawframes" a jak stahnout ten skrypt "pktloss" a pouzit ho? Diky Ondra From andy at intercomp.info Thu Sep 16 01:27:07 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Thu Sep 16 01:15:08 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0=A0=A0[Ronja]=A0Twister=A0power=A0consumpcion?= In-Reply-To: <20040915224724.GB2371@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040915133446.GF1123@beton.cybernet.src><1122.195.205.177.214.1095285585.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040915224724.GB2371@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <3367.195.205.177.214.1095294427.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> When I was build the air-wire Twister, then I conected all wires as schematic says. There were "red-light" problems, but power consumpcion was OK!. When I started build (3) Twisters on BCB, then I was build as components written on PCB says. The 7805 in (my)first look must be solder with metal side to shield (not to center of PCB).... I solder 7805 to PCB in my opinion with metal to outside even you write that It sholud be not solder on PCB !!!! And I don't look to schematic where the 7805 is clearly written (OUT,IN) !!! AM26LS31 and 32 were dangerously hot!!! Almost burning.... :) Power consumpcion was in 320mA..., and device was "almost" working :) I mean, I catch some pings :) Now, I correct this mistake. PowerC is 170 mA, IC's are cold.... Evering is OK with Twister. So, sorry for trouble and time spend for me and analysing my problem. This was stupid mistake! Anyway... I wonder if I didn't burning something with this mistake!!!!???? Thanks. >> >> and >> >> metal in back....) >> > >> > I don't know where is front and where is back on the photo. Was metal >> > nearer >> > the centroid of the PCB than plastic or the other way? >> > >> > Cl< >> >> I'm not sure and I maybe don't understand you. >> But... plastic and the signs on it are "looking" to center of PCB. >> And the metal side is "looking" outside the BCB. >> Is that what you asking for ? > > Yes. Then the regulator is soldere in the wrong way and no wonder it > doesn't > work at all. > > Cl< >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From milos.83 at post.cz Thu Sep 16 10:54:37 2004 From: milos.83 at post.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Milo=B9_Hlad=ECna?=) Date: Thu Sep 16 10:54:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vzdalenost Tx od Rx In-Reply-To: <20040915224557.GA2371@beton.cybernet.src> References: <93643729c0201e75b9677ca1c0abc978@www2.mail.post.cz> <20040915224557.GA2371@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: > Co pouzivas za nahradu 26LS32? No za nahradu 26LS32 pouzivam to co se mi povedlo sehnat v GM ... ty mas v navodu presne pokud se nemylim DS26LS32 ... ale to bohuzel jejich katalog neobsahuje maji tam uvedene pouze 26LS32 pod skladovym cislem 433-002 a ten svab ma primo popisku (prvi radek) 32CLXTM (druhej radek) AM26LS32ACN (teda alespon mi ho pod timhle skladovym cislem dali ... to jeste nevim jestli mi nestrcili nejakou napodobeninu). No jinak pro DS26LS31 plati to same tez je to AM26LS31 ... >Lisi se necim Twister od navodu? Co vim tak snazil sem se postupu dle navodu drzet na maximum (vetsinou kdyz sem si neco udelal po svym tam sem byl pak v ... cili to uz nedelam - jeden zajimavej postreh pri stavbe co bys mozna mohl dat do navodu hned na prvni misto a tucne) Zase odlisnost je v krabicce (opet kuprexit) jo UTP k PC neni 1m ale 2,5m - kratsi bych mel problem aby mi dostal. A koaxial nepridelavam "cokoladou" ale mam na Tw i modulech konektory (vse je pajene - draty z Tw na konektory, koaxialy ke konektorum, draty z modulu ke konektorum) - tam by tedy zadny studenaky byt nemely - bylo to hned to prvni co me napadlo takze sem to vsechno pridelal jak magor a porad se to chova bohuzel stejne. (dokonce sem zkousel i vzajemne zamenovat koaxialy mezi sebou ... opet bez zmeny) > Nemuze to bejt osvetlenim pri testovani? Osvetlenim ? ze by jedna strana jela OK a druha by mela problemy ? Mno osvetleni sem mel docela slaby ... testoval sem to v noci a mel sem rozsvicenou jen lampicku na stole (ta do toho rozhodne moc sviti nemohla), zkousel sem dokonce rozsvitit i velke svetlo ale moc se mi prenos nezhorsil ... Nechapu ze jedna strana dokaze fungovat do RSSI 0,2V a druha uz ma problemy na 0,5V ... Cobrik From milos.83 at post.cz Thu Sep 16 11:31:55 2004 From: milos.83 at post.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Milo=B9_Hlad=ECna?=) Date: Thu Sep 16 11:31:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vzdalenost Tx od Rx In-Reply-To: <20040915224557.GA2371@beton.cybernet.src> References: <93643729c0201e75b9677ca1c0abc978@www2.mail.post.cz> <20040915224557.GA2371@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <8ed5cdb4293e7e82b37aabdbe7031574@www2.mail.post.cz> Jeste malej postreh k tem odlisnostem ... mam plosnak rev. 20040408 ... neopravoval sem uz tu chybu co je uvedena na webu ... Mel sem to uz zakrabickovany ... muze to na to mit vliv ? From polous at katka.biz Thu Sep 16 14:42:37 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Sep 16 11:38:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vzdalenost Tx od Rx- LS31,32 + odprodam In-Reply-To: References: <93643729c0201e75b9677ca1c0abc978@www2.mail.post.cz> <20040915224557.GA2371@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4149984D.7070105@katka.biz> Pouzivam: AN26LS32ACN a AN26LS31CN twistery bezi prez dva mesice na stole bez problemu. Pokud ma nekdo zajem, mam asi 10brouku navic od kazdeho. Odprodam za 13kc/ks - Praha. p0l0us Milo? Hlad?na wrote: >>Co pouzivas za nahradu 26LS32? >> >> > >No za nahradu 26LS32 pouzivam to co se mi povedlo sehnat v GM ... >ty mas v navodu presne pokud se nemylim DS26LS32 ... ale to >bohuzel jejich katalog neobsahuje maji tam uvedene pouze 26LS32 >pod skladovym cislem 433-002 a ten svab ma primo popisku (prvi >radek) 32CLXTM (druhej radek) AM26LS32ACN (teda alespon mi ho pod >timhle skladovym cislem dali ... to jeste nevim jestli mi >nestrcili nejakou napodobeninu). No jinak pro DS26LS31 plati to >same tez je to AM26LS31 ... > > > From andy at intercomp.info Thu Sep 16 13:19:04 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Thu Sep 16 13:07:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX and TX on PCB Message-ID: <1154.195.205.177.214.1095337144.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Does anybody check and test this RX-PCB and TX-PCB ? Does it anybody working on this ?? http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm Is there any sense to build those TX and RX ??? From polous at katka.biz Thu Sep 16 17:48:00 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Sep 16 14:44:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX and TX on PCB In-Reply-To: <1154.195.205.177.214.1095337144.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <1154.195.205.177.214.1095337144.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <4149C3C0.6040608@katka.biz> I have tested Rx and Tx v 0.2, Rx works, but with lower range on the floor. To make it work I had to use schematic and components from original Ronja. Tx does not work for me yet. I think, that is much better build SMD version dps by skontorp. Or wait for origilal (I hope tested) Clocks DPS .. (development in progress) - But it will require donations to cover development of DPS. 2Clock: How long to finish it ? p0l0us Andrzej K. wrote: >Does anybody check and test this RX-PCB and TX-PCB ? >Does it anybody working on this ?? >http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm >Is there any sense to build those TX and RX ??? > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 16 17:04:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Sep 16 17:04:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak na pktloss v cygwin? In-Reply-To: <823744138.20040916011954@volny.cz> References: <823744138.20040916011954@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040916160429.GA1517@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 01:19:54AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > pokud se nekdo muzete prosim pomoci linuxlame, tak budu rad :-) > Chci rozchodit skrypt "pktloss". > Po nejakych obstrukcich jsem nainstaloval Cygwin. > Na Twiki jsem si precetl, ze potrebuju Grep. > V Cygwinu jsem napsal "Grep" a vypadla napoveda jak ho pouzit. Rikam > si OK. A verze grepu? Cl< > Pak koukam ze potrebuju rawframes. Tak napisu "rawframes" a vypadne > chybova hlaska. > A tim jsem skoncil :-(((( > > Takze otazka je: Jak tam dodat ten "rawframes" a jak stahnout ten > skrypt "pktloss" a pouzit ho? > > > Diky Ondra > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 16 17:06:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Sep 16 17:06:07 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?oKCgW1JvbmphXaBUd2lz?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ter=A0power=A0consumpcion?= In-Reply-To: <3367.195.205.177.214.1095294427.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <20040915224724.GB2371@beton.cybernet.src> <3367.195.205.177.214.1095294427.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 02:27:07AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > When I was build the air-wire Twister, then I conected all wires as > schematic says. There were "red-light" problems, but power consumpcion was > OK!. > When I started build (3) Twisters on BCB, then I was build as components > written on PCB says. The 7805 in (my)first look must be solder with metal > side to shield (not to center of PCB).... > I solder 7805 to PCB in my opinion with metal to outside even you write > that It sholud be not solder on PCB !!!! And I don't look to schematic > where the 7805 is clearly written (OUT,IN) !!! > AM26LS31 and 32 were dangerously hot!!! Almost burning.... :) > Power consumpcion was in 320mA..., and device was "almost" working :) > I mean, I catch some pings :) I wonder it was doing even anything close to functioning. > > Now, I correct this mistake. PowerC is 170 mA, IC's are cold.... > Evering is OK with Twister. > So, sorry for trouble and time spend for me and analysing my problem. This > was stupid mistake! > Anyway... I wonder if I didn't burning something with this mistake!!!!???? What was the voltage on +5V line (output from regulator) when it was inserted the wrong way? Cl< > > Thanks. > > >> >> and > >> >> metal in back....) > >> > > >> > I don't know where is front and where is back on the photo. Was metal > >> > nearer > >> > the centroid of the PCB than plastic or the other way? > >> > > >> > Cl< > >> > >> I'm not sure and I maybe don't understand you. > >> But... plastic and the signs on it are "looking" to center of PCB. > >> And the metal side is "looking" outside the BCB. > >> Is that what you asking for ? > > > > Yes. Then the regulator is soldere in the wrong way and no wonder it > > doesn't > > work at all. > > > > Cl< > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 16 17:09:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Sep 16 17:09:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vzdalenost Tx od Rx In-Reply-To: References: <93643729c0201e75b9677ca1c0abc978@www2.mail.post.cz> <20040915224557.GA2371@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040916160947.GA1548@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 11:54:37AM +0200, Milo? Hlad?na wrote: > > Co pouzivas za nahradu 26LS32? > > No za nahradu 26LS32 pouzivam to co se mi povedlo sehnat v GM ... > ty mas v navodu presne pokud se nemylim DS26LS32 ... ale to > bohuzel jejich katalog neobsahuje maji tam uvedene pouze 26LS32 > pod skladovym cislem 433-002 a ten svab ma primo popisku (prvi > radek) 32CLXTM (druhej radek) AM26LS32ACN (teda alespon mi ho pod > timhle skladovym cislem dali ... to jeste nevim jestli mi > nestrcili nejakou napodobeninu). No jinak pro DS26LS31 plati to > same tez je to AM26LS31 ... > > >Lisi se necim Twister od navodu? > > Co vim tak snazil sem se postupu dle navodu drzet na maximum > (vetsinou kdyz sem si neco udelal po svym tam sem byl pak v ... > cili to uz nedelam - jeden zajimavej postreh pri stavbe co bys > mozna mohl dat do navodu hned na prvni misto a tucne) Zase > odlisnost je v krabicce (opet kuprexit) jo UTP k PC neni 1m ale > 2,5m - kratsi bych mel problem aby mi dostal. A koaxial > nepridelavam "cokoladou" ale mam na Tw i modulech konektory (vse > je pajene - draty z Tw na konektory, koaxialy ke konektorum, > draty z modulu ke konektorum) - tam by tedy zadny studenaky byt > nemely - bylo to hned to prvni co me napadlo takze sem to vsechno > pridelal jak magor a porad se to chova bohuzel stejne. (dokonce > sem zkousel i vzajemne zamenovat koaxialy mezi sebou ... opet bez > zmeny) > > > Nemuze to bejt osvetlenim pri testovani? > > Osvetlenim ? ze by jedna strana jela OK a druha by mela problemy > ? Mno osvetleni sem mel docela slaby ... testoval sem to v noci a > mel sem rozsvicenou jen lampicku na stole (ta do toho rozhodne moc > sviti nemohla), zkousel sem dokonce rozsvitit i velke svetlo ale > moc se mi prenos nezhorsil ... Nechapu ze jedna strana dokaze > fungovat do RSSI 0,2V a druha uz ma problemy na 0,5V ... Hm tak to nevim - bud to muzou bejt ty konektory ktery jsi tam pridal, nebo ten dlouhej kabel, a nebo je tam treba nekde utrzenej dratek na RJ45 a jde signal jen 1 zdratkem z paru. Pak taky zkus proletovat vsechny spoje. Cl< > > Cobrik > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 16 17:10:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Sep 16 17:10:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vzdalenost Tx od Rx In-Reply-To: <8ed5cdb4293e7e82b37aabdbe7031574@www2.mail.post.cz> References: <93643729c0201e75b9677ca1c0abc978@www2.mail.post.cz> <20040915224557.GA2371@beton.cybernet.src> <8ed5cdb4293e7e82b37aabdbe7031574@www2.mail.post.cz> Message-ID: <20040916161004.GB1548@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 12:31:55PM +0200, Milo? Hlad?na wrote: > Jeste malej postreh k tem odlisnostem ... mam plosnak rev. > 20040408 ... neopravoval sem uz tu chybu co je uvedena na webu > ... Mel sem to uz zakrabickovany ... muze to na to mit vliv ? To asi ne. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Shamanu8 at web.de Thu Sep 16 17:47:54 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Thu Sep 16 17:51:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: help, please? References: <20040914015214.GB26337@beton.cybernet.src><002101c49a25$2ec9a190$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20040915143204.GB1302@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <031901c49c0c$fcc954d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> I added the datasheet from my supplier. The IC self is labled with: AM26LS32ACN. Homepage: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/am26ls32a.html But i will order some other chips and try them. thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: help, please? > On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 08:36:35AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > AM26LS32 CN > > Sorry, this is a bug in the guide. I have corrected the equivalents from > AM26LS32 to AM26LS32A. I am unable to get AM26LS32 datasheet (are you?) > however AM26LS32A datasheet says that AM26LS32 are less sensitive and take > more current. I guess this is your case. > > Please get some other chips and try it with them. > > Cl< > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: help, please? > > > > > > > > > > any ideas ? any help ? > > > > > > > > > > There is basically nothing in Twister that could go wrong. So that > > > > resolder > > > > > all joints, the probable cause is that some joint is a cold join or > > some > > > > > package is inserted the wrong way. > > > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > I have the same problem. > > > > 2 twister's (airwire) built at the same time and on both the yellow and > > red > > > > leds are glowing... > > > > > > What kind of 26LS32 did you use? > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: AM26LS32CN_TEX.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 158344 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040916/0c2121a7/AM26LS32CN_TEX-0001.pdf From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Thu Sep 16 17:54:24 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Thu Sep 16 17:55:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ping pri kopirovani Message-ID: <20040916165433Z1305165-26761+90763@mail.centrum.cz> sit nam uz celkem beha, ale kdyz kopiruju z 2. PC nake soubory (predevsim vetsi mnozstvi) tak mi zacnou vypadavat pingy. nekere sou dlouhe, nekdy "vyprsi casovy limit zadosti" atp. .... soubor se la enormalne skopiruje, cim to muze byt? pak sem meril cas za jaky se mi zkopirujoiu nake fotky, neco kolem 60MB. zmeril sem to,zpocital jakousi "prumernou rychlost" a vyla neco kolem 5Mb/s. Jindy, kdyz sem kopiroval ja, i 2. strana odeme, tak se snizila na nakych 3Mb/s. asi to tak pocitat nemuzu, ale zda se mi to jako half duplex. kdyz berou data obe strany tak je rychlost temer polovicni..... ?? muze to tak byt??? From maco at host.sk Thu Sep 16 20:32:32 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Sep 16 22:32:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX and TX on PCB In-Reply-To: <1154.195.205.177.214.1095337144.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <1154.195.205.177.214.1095337144.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <4149EA50.40701@host.sk> For me they work witho problem on 500meters with 90 mm lenses check www.maco.sk/ronja for pictures maco Andrzej K. wrote: >Does anybody check and test this RX-PCB and TX-PCB ? >Does it anybody working on this ?? >http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm >Is there any sense to build those TX and RX ??? > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.870 (20040915) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 17 07:03:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 17 07:03:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX and TX on PCB In-Reply-To: <4149EA50.40701@host.sk> References: <1154.195.205.177.214.1095337144.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <4149EA50.40701@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040917060346.GA20583@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 09:32:32PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > For me they work witho problem on 500meters with 90 mm lenses > > check www.maco.sk/ronja for pictures May I add your track into the gallery of running installations? If yes, please tell technical details as seen in: http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Fri Sep 17 08:35:13 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Fri Sep 17 08:35:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX and TX on PCB In-Reply-To: <20040917060346.GA20583@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1154.195.205.177.214.1095337144.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <4149EA50.40701@host.sk> <20040917060346.GA20583@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <414A93B1.2020900@sattnet.cz> Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): >On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 09:32:32PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > >>For me they work witho problem on 500meters with 90 mm lenses >> >>check www.maco.sk/ronja for pictures >> >> > >May I add your track into the gallery of running installations? If yes, >please tell technical details as seen in: >http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php > > > Jeste tam nevidim muj peer :-). Technicky detaily i fotky uz jsem posilal. >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 17 08:46:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 17 08:46:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX and TX on PCB In-Reply-To: <414A93B1.2020900@sattnet.cz> References: <1154.195.205.177.214.1095337144.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <4149EA50.40701@host.sk> <20040917060346.GA20583@beton.cybernet.src> <414A93B1.2020900@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040917074657.GA21073@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 09:35:13AM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > >On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 09:32:32PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > > > > >>For me they work witho problem on 500meters with 90 mm lenses > >> > >>check www.maco.sk/ronja for pictures > >> > >> > > > >May I add your track into the gallery of running installations? If yes, > >please tell technical details as seen in: > >http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php > > > > > > > Jeste tam nevidim muj peer :-). Technicky detaily i fotky uz jsem posilal. Odpovidate na mail urceny Marcelu Heckovi - vy mate spolecnou linku? Jinak ty vase detaily nemuzu najit - muzete je poslat pls znova? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Sep 17 08:56:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Sep 17 08:56:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX and TX on PCB In-Reply-To: <4149EA50.40701@host.sk> References: <1154.195.205.177.214.1095337144.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <4149EA50.40701@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040917075604.GB21104@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 09:32:32PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > For me they work witho problem on 500meters with 90 mm lenses > > check www.maco.sk/ronja for pictures Would you mind if I downloaded these pictures and placed them into Ronja gallery into directory installation/slovakia(?)/somewhere and also the same with the electronics and mechanics? If not, please tell me where the link is running to make appropriate directory (if you don't want to be publicly known where the link is, I'll put it under marcel_hecko) and also technical details of the link if you didn't mind the link to be added to http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php CL< > > maco From kucik at net22.cz Fri Sep 17 15:40:45 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Fri Sep 17 15:41:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rychlost twistera Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040917163704.021cf050@mail.net22.cz> Zkoumal jsem popis Twistera a zarazilo me ze bezi na 10Mbps. Je to chyba v popisu nebo jsem fakt tak tupej ze jsem to postrehl az ted? Predem diky za odpoved Kucik ------------- dal¹í èást --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10.9.2004 From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Sep 17 15:55:56 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Fri Sep 17 15:56:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rychlost twistera References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040917163704.021cf050@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <001701c49cc6$6fe71790$0103450a@thechosen> a na kolik jsi celak ze pobezi? :) ronja je snad od jakziva 10Mb ne? :) Glo > Zkoumal jsem popis Twistera a zarazilo me ze bezi na 10Mbps. > Je to chyba v popisu nebo jsem fakt tak tupej ze jsem to postrehl az ted? > > Predem diky za odpoved > Kucik > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10.9.2004 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kucik at net22.cz Fri Sep 17 16:00:55 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Fri Sep 17 16:01:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rychlost twistera In-Reply-To: <001701c49cc6$6fe71790$0103450a@thechosen> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040917163704.021cf050@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040917165801.021f8740@mail.net22.cz> Jo moje blbost mel jsem pocit ze s prechodem na UTP to zvlada 100Mbps ale to by se zrejme museli predelat i tx a rx. No nic diky za info. At 16:55 17.9.2004 +0200, you wrote: >a na kolik jsi celak ze pobezi? :) ronja je snad od jakziva 10Mb ne? :) > >Glo > > > Zkoumal jsem popis Twistera a zarazilo me ze bezi na 10Mbps. > > Je to chyba v popisu nebo jsem fakt tak tupej ze jsem to postrehl az ted? > > > > Predem diky za odpoved > > Kucik > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10.9.2004 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Fri Sep 17 16:27:55 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Sep 17 16:24:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rychlost twistera In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040917165801.021f8740@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040917163704.021cf050@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040917165801.021f8740@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <414B027B.5010003@katka.biz> jak je to se 100mb verzi muzes zjistit na strance: http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php. ale bylo by to shuper postavit twistera a mit 100mbps ;) p0l0us Martin Kucko wrote: > Jo moje blbost mel jsem pocit ze s prechodem na UTP to zvlada 100Mbps > ale to by se zrejme museli predelat i tx a rx. > No nic diky za info. > > At 16:55 17.9.2004 +0200, you wrote: From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Fri Sep 17 17:57:02 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Fri Sep 17 17:57:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rychlost twistera Message-ID: <20040917165705Z1306414-26761+114355@mail.centrum.cz> no pockat... to uz je hotovy 100Mb a ceka na uvolneni? ja to cele necet, hold anglicky neumim.... nebo jak je daleko vyvoj?? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Martin Polehla > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:27:55 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] rychlost twistera > > jak je to se 100mb verzi muzes zjistit na strance: > http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php. > > ale bylo by to shuper postavit twistera a mit 100mbps ;) > > p0l0us > > Martin Kucko wrote: > > > Jo moje blbost mel jsem pocit ze s prechodem na UTP to zvlada 100Mbps > > ale to by se zrejme museli predelat i tx a rx. > > No nic diky za info. > > > > At 16:55 17.9.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From maco at host.sk Fri Sep 17 16:16:32 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Sep 17 18:16:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rychlost twistera In-Reply-To: <20040917165705Z1306414-26761+114355@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040917165705Z1306414-26761+114355@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <414AFFD0.6050608@host.sk> daleko :) Jakub Michn?k wrote: >no pockat... to uz je hotovy 100Mb a ceka na uvolneni? ja to cele necet, hold anglicky neumim.... nebo jak je daleko vyvoj?? > >______________________________________________________________ > > >>Od: Martin Polehla >>Komu: Twibright Ronja >>Datum: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:27:55 +0200 >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] rychlost twistera >> >>jak je to se 100mb verzi muzes zjistit na strance: >>http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php. >> >>ale bylo by to shuper postavit twistera a mit 100mbps ;) >> >>p0l0us >> >>Martin Kucko wrote: >> >> >> >>>Jo moje blbost mel jsem pocit ze s prechodem na UTP to zvlada 100Mbps >>>ale to by se zrejme museli predelat i tx a rx. >>>No nic diky za info. >>> >>>At 16:55 17.9.2004 +0200, you wrote: >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.872 (20040917) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From maco at host.sk Fri Sep 17 17:14:56 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Sep 17 19:15:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rychlost twistera In-Reply-To: <414AFFD0.6050608@host.sk> References: <20040917165705Z1306414-26761+114355@mail.centrum.cz> <414AFFD0.6050608@host.sk> Message-ID: <414B0D80.8080401@host.sk> Akurat ma napadlo, ze som velmi zle odpovedal na otazku - je tam napisane, ze to je v stadiu premyslania, teda planuje sa to, ale zatial s tym nikto nikam nepohol. m. Marcel Hecko wrote: > daleko :) > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > >> no pockat... to uz je hotovy 100Mb a ceka na uvolneni? ja to cele >> necet, hold anglicky neumim.... nebo jak je daleko vyvoj?? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> >>> Od: Martin Polehla >>> Komu: Twibright Ronja >>> Datum: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:27:55 +0200 >>> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] rychlost twistera >>> >>> jak je to se 100mb verzi muzes zjistit na strance: >>> http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php. >>> >>> ale bylo by to shuper postavit twistera a mit 100mbps ;) >>> >>> p0l0us >>> >>> Martin Kucko wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Jo moje blbost mel jsem pocit ze s prechodem na UTP to zvlada >>>> 100Mbps ale to by se zrejme museli predelat i tx a rx. >>>> No nic diky za info. >>>> >>>> At 16:55 17.9.2004 +0200, you wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> __________ NOD32 1.872 (20040917) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.nod32.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ NOD32 1.872 (20040917) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > From andy at intercomp.info Sat Sep 18 01:47:31 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Sat Sep 18 01:35:15 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0=A0=A0=A0[Ronja]=A0Twister=A0power=A0consumpcion?= In-Reply-To: <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040915224724.GB2371@beton.cybernet.src><3367.195.205.177.214.1095294427.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> > What was the voltage on +5V line (output from regulator) when it was > inserted > the wrong way? > > Cl< I don't know. But I think there was 12V :( So every chip get 12V on Vcc.... Anyway...I bought new chips except 74HC04, because I can't get it at this moment. I replaced with new one also 7805 and 16Mghz crystal oscillator. I didn't replace capacitors and resistors.... I powered on the device, and I have one problem (the same problem I also had when I used old IC's): When I plug into Twister, the TX and RX , then Windows says me that cabble is unpluged, and in about 1-2 sec. later all is OK (cable is plugged), and in about next 1-2 sec. again says that cabble is unpluged and so on, and so on...... What is wrong ? It can be wrong shield on RX or something about it ? Because sometimes when I close hand to RX or touch the RX, then all is OK. I must also say that I use NON-airwire RX and TX, but on PCB from http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm Can it be wrong ? And I wana ask for something: When I will power on Twister with RX and TX without PC cable, then GREEN diode must be lid or not? Cause in my case GREEN diode is lid only when I plug to Twister RX, TX ...AND cable from PC. And it becomeing to dark when I'm lighting on it with light from Transmitter.... From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Sep 18 09:22:28 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sat Sep 18 09:22:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister power consumpcion In-Reply-To: <1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <20040915224724.GB2371@beton.cybernet.src><3367.195.205.177.214.1095294427.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src> <1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <414BF044.2060604@sattnet.cz> Andrzej K. napsal(a): >>What was the voltage on +5V line (output from regulator) when it was >>inserted >>the wrong way? >> >>Cl< >> >> > >I don't know. But I think there was 12V :( >So every chip get 12V on Vcc.... >Anyway...I bought new chips except 74HC04, because I can't get it at this >moment. I replaced with new one also 7805 and 16Mghz crystal oscillator. >I didn't replace capacitors and resistors.... > >I powered on the device, and I have one problem (the same problem I also >had when I used old IC's): When I plug into Twister, the TX and RX , then >Windows says me that cabble is unpluged, and in about 1-2 sec. later all >is OK (cable is plugged), and in about next 1-2 sec. again says that >cabble is unpluged and so on, and so on...... > > Probably you need to set up some mode on NIC, ie 10MbitFD, 10MbitHD. >What is wrong ? It can be wrong shield on RX or something about it ? >Because sometimes when I close hand to RX or touch the RX, then all is OK. >I must also say that I use NON-airwire RX and TX, but on PCB from >http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm >Can it be wrong ? > >And I wana ask for something: When I will power on Twister with RX and TX >without PC cable, then GREEN diode must be lid or not? >Cause in my case GREEN diode is lid only when I plug to Twister RX, TX >...AND cable from PC. And it becomeing to dark when I'm lighting on it >with light from Transmitter.... > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From polous at katka.biz Sat Sep 18 11:59:37 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Sep 18 11:55:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister power consumpcion In-Reply-To: <1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <20040915224724.GB2371@beton.cybernet.src><3367.195.205.177.214.1095294427.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src> <1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <414C1519.1070904@katka.biz> Have you tested twisters in loopback mode? (without last section - connect modules...) see and try for both twisters: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaLoopbackTestonLinuxEn Try and say, where you stops. p0l0us Andrzej K. wrote: >>What was the voltage on +5V line (output from regulator) when it was >>inserted >>the wrong way? >> >>Cl< >> >> > >I don't know. But I think there was 12V :( >So every chip get 12V on Vcc.... >Anyway...I bought new chips except 74HC04, because I can't get it at this >moment. I replaced with new one also 7805 and 16Mghz crystal oscillator. >I didn't replace capacitors and resistors.... > >I powered on the device, and I have one problem (the same problem I also >had when I used old IC's): When I plug into Twister, the TX and RX , then >Windows says me that cabble is unpluged, and in about 1-2 sec. later all >is OK (cable is plugged), and in about next 1-2 sec. again says that >cabble is unpluged and so on, and so on...... >What is wrong ? It can be wrong shield on RX or something about it ? >Because sometimes when I close hand to RX or touch the RX, then all is OK. >I must also say that I use NON-airwire RX and TX, but on PCB from >http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm >Can it be wrong ? > >And I wana ask for something: When I will power on Twister with RX and TX >without PC cable, then GREEN diode must be lid or not? >Cause in my case GREEN diode is lid only when I plug to Twister RX, TX >...AND cable from PC. And it becomeing to dark when I'm lighting on it >with light from Transmitter.... > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From clock at twibright.com Sat Sep 18 21:16:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Sep 18 21:16:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister's line receiver/driver In-Reply-To: <41954CD47586@jkl.darktech.org> References: <41954CD47586@jkl.darktech.org> Message-ID: <20040918201646.GC325@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 01:58:33PM +0200, jkl@jkl.darktech.org wrote: Sorry for the horrible delay. The mail got somehow lost in the tons of mails I process. > Hello. > Can you verify for us, that ic SN75173 is suitable replacement to the line receiver in Twister (DS26LS32)? Yes it is. I have added it into the equivalents. > Datasheet from texasinstruments can be found at: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn75173.pdf > I have some troubles to obtain DS26LS32 (31) from my local vendors. > As well DS26LS31 for SN75172 (http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn75172.pdf ) 75172 isn't. Cl< > > Thanks. > Jan, Prague. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Sep 19 07:52:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Sep 19 08:30:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja RX TX TP - Clock and Highlander help In-Reply-To: <16614847219.20031118205719@irc.pl> References: <16614847219.20031118205719@irc.pl> Message-ID: <20040919065204.GA219@beton.cybernet.src> Hi I found this very fossil probably unanswered mail in my inbox, are you Tomek Koprowski? Cl< On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 08:57:19PM +0100, tomekw@irc.pl wrote: > Hello !!! > > I'm Tom from Poland > I?ve built Ronja with TP and it doesn't work and I don't know why.:( > Please help. > > To Clock > I think the problems is in my PCB's. > For test I don't use any shield. > On the measurement point of RX I've values > CON12V - 11.33V - reinforcement form old PC-AT > P101 - 10,46V > P102 - 3,10V > P103 - 0V - this is OK:) > P104 - 3,93V - I use BF961 > P105 - 5,2V > P106 - 4,98V > P107 - 1,28V - RSSI - that wrong :( > P108 - 10,27V > P109 - 4,59V > Revision Ronja 10M Reciver - October 19,2003 > All voltage is without signal from TP. > > On TX all measurement point the DC voltage it's ok without TP. > When I plug TP to RX the HPWT-LED is shine and the measurement point > P6 have 3.02V - it is normal situation - > I don't known. > > > To Highlander. > I've use 20F001N and LANF7236G Ethernet transformer and I want to > known with one resistor i must change R12,R13,R14 or R15 from 50 ohm > to 100 ohm, and could you give me some measurement point values for TP > interface. > > -- > Sorry for my poor english:) > Best regards, > tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Sep 19 09:45:11 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Sep 19 09:45:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja RX TX TP - Clock and Highlander help In-Reply-To: <20040919065204.GA219@beton.cybernet.src> References: <16614847219.20031118205719@irc.pl> <20040919065204.GA219@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200409191045.11855.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Sunday 19 of September 2004 08:52, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > I found this very fossil probably unanswered mail in my inbox, are you > Tomek Koprowski? He is another Tomek from Poland, this name is quite common. :) I don't know if he still subscribes to this list. >> [...cut TP problems...] As far as I know he finally succeeded in builing his Ronja. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From spider at fonoc.net Sun Sep 19 11:44:30 2004 From: spider at fonoc.net (spider) Date: Sun Sep 19 10:45:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] who is using tx/rx pcbs? Message-ID: <6137264125.20040919114430@fonoc.net> Hello everyone, all of you that use (or know someone who uses) pcbs for tx/rx, please post details: pcb design by: smd or discrete: pcb url (if any): operating distance: I'd like to make some pcbs but I'm not sure which... I've found two designs till now: http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm - Petr Simandl http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPCB - Ondrej Tesar but I'm not sure if discrete versions can work at distance of 1.3Km ? -- Best regards, spider mailto:spider@fonoc.net From polous at katka.biz Sun Sep 19 11:14:32 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Sep 19 11:10:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] who is using tx/rx pcbs? In-Reply-To: <6137264125.20040919114430@fonoc.net> References: <6137264125.20040919114430@fonoc.net> Message-ID: <414D5C08.2080600@katka.biz> spider wrote: >Hello everyone, > > all of you that use (or know someone who uses) pcbs for tx/rx, please > post details: > > > pcb design by: > smd or discrete: > pcb url (if any): > operating distance: > > > > I'd like to make some pcbs but I'm not sure which... > I've found two designs till now: > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm - Petr Simandl > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPCB - Ondrej Tesar > but I'm not sure if discrete versions can work at distance of 1.3Km ? > > > > In my opinion if you don't like aiwire version, actualy the best choice would be SMB described on http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPCB. But you have to be carefull to small routes. p0l0us From mxhxkonf at seznam.cz Sun Sep 19 11:29:30 2004 From: mxhxkonf at seznam.cz (mXHXkonf) Date: Sun Sep 19 11:29:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 Message-ID: <15364.180352-11283-1321349652-1095589770@email.seznam.cz> Zdravim, postavil som Ronju Simandlovu verziu TP 0.3 a zariadenia mi nexcu komunikovat ked ich prepojim priamo cez kriz. Samozrejme cez optiku uz toboz nie. Viete niekto o nejakom bugu ktory by mohol byt v tom obvode? Zo 100 pingov mi prejdu tak 2-3max. Sietovky mam 3com 3c905C-TX nastavene diagnostic toolom na 10fullDuplex, linuxy nemam, neviem v nich robit. Stranka na simandla http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm frekvencie som nastavil na stotiny presne, siet sa v XP rozpozna no nexcu prudit data. Poradte pliz, bavim sa s tym uz tyzden a neviem prist na chybu :( From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Sun Sep 19 14:27:06 2004 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?Vm9qdOxjaCDIab5pbnNr/Q==?=) Date: Sun Sep 19 14:28:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nove spoje v Chrudimi Message-ID: <000901c49e4c$5bd31600$0202a8c0@woita> Oznamuju novy dva spoje v Chrudimi! prvni: delka 600m, 130mm vietnam lupy mechanika vlastni, jedna strana twister DPS, druha old AUI interface na plosnym spoji od K.J.S., vysilace na tistacich - taky Skontorp, prijimace hnizda. foto dodam, az budou. druhy: delka 900m 130mm vietnam lupy plati pro to uplne to samy, jako u prvniho, jen vysilace jsou hnizda. fotky tohodle spoje jsou zde: http://www.chrudim2000.cz/genesis/digifoto/ronja/ jeste bych chtel podekovat Ondrovi Tesarovi za pomoc v ranych fazich stavby. WoiTa ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040919/b858f343/attachment.htm From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Sep 19 17:13:59 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sun Sep 19 17:14:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 References: <15364.180352-11283-1321349652-1095589770@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <003101c49e63$ac37b760$0103450a@thechosen> zkus jnou sitovku. 3c905c neni nic moc, mam take jeden tp0,3 a jede to solidn ejen se starou verzi 905. lepsi je 3c900 nebo 509 Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "mXHXkonf" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:29 PM Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 > Zdravim, postavil som Ronju Simandlovu verziu TP 0.3 a zariadenia mi nexcu komunikovat ked ich prepojim priamo cez kriz. Samozrejme cez optiku uz toboz nie. Viete niekto o nejakom bugu ktory by mohol byt v tom obvode? Zo 100 pingov mi prejdu tak 2-3max. Sietovky mam 3com 3c905C-TX nastavene diagnostic toolom na 10fullDuplex, linuxy nemam, neviem v nich robit. > > Stranka na simandla > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > > frekvencie som nastavil na stotiny presne, siet sa v XP rozpozna no nexcu prudit data. Poradte pliz, bavim sa s tym uz tyzden a neviem prist na chybu :( > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Sep 19 18:49:58 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sun Sep 19 18:50:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky In-Reply-To: <003101c49e63$ac37b760$0103450a@thechosen> References: <15364.180352-11283-1321349652-1095589770@email.seznam.cz> <003101c49e63$ac37b760$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <414DC6C6.1030102@sattnet.cz> Je zde nekdo, ochotny poslat 2 cocky 130mm? Please -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Sep 19 19:09:32 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Sep 19 19:10:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 Message-ID: <20040919180945Z1301982-26761+142530@mail.centrum.cz> jaky je rozdil mezi simandlem 0,3 a twistrem?? umi simadluv autonegation nebo jak se to vlastne menuje ci pise? je v necem lepsi? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Malusek > Komu: "mXHXkonf" , "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:13:59 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 > > zkus jnou sitovku. 3c905c neni nic moc, mam take jeden tp0,3 a jede to > solidn ejen se starou verzi 905. lepsi je 3c900 nebo 509 > > Glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mXHXkonf" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:29 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 > > > > Zdravim, postavil som Ronju Simandlovu verziu TP 0.3 a zariadenia mi nexcu > komunikovat ked ich prepojim priamo cez kriz. Samozrejme cez optiku uz toboz > nie. Viete niekto o nejakom bugu ktory by mohol byt v tom obvode? Zo 100 > pingov mi prejdu tak 2-3max. Sietovky mam 3com 3c905C-TX nastavene > diagnostic toolom na 10fullDuplex, linuxy nemam, neviem v nich robit. > > > > Stranka na simandla > > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > > > > frekvencie som nastavil na stotiny presne, siet sa v XP rozpozna no nexcu > prudit data. Poradte pliz, bavim sa s tym uz tyzden a neviem prist na chybu > :( > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Sep 19 19:18:29 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sun Sep 19 19:18:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 In-Reply-To: <20040919180945Z1301982-26761+142530@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040919180945Z1301982-26761+142530@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <414DCD75.9090601@sattnet.cz> Je to stara elektronika, jen se nestrka do aui, ale do tp rozhrani ;-). Ale uz bych do toho nesel.. Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): >jaky je rozdil mezi simandlem 0,3 a twistrem?? umi simadluv autonegation nebo jak se to vlastne menuje ci pise? je v necem lepsi? > >______________________________________________________________ > > >>Od: Michal Malusek >>Komu: "mXHXkonf" , "Twibright Ronja" >>Datum: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:13:59 +0200 >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 >> >>zkus jnou sitovku. 3c905c neni nic moc, mam take jeden tp0,3 a jede to >>solidn ejen se starou verzi 905. lepsi je 3c900 nebo 509 >> >>Glo >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "mXHXkonf" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:29 PM >>Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 >> >> >> >> >>>Zdravim, postavil som Ronju Simandlovu verziu TP 0.3 a zariadenia mi nexcu >>> >>> >>komunikovat ked ich prepojim priamo cez kriz. Samozrejme cez optiku uz toboz >>nie. Viete niekto o nejakom bugu ktory by mohol byt v tom obvode? Zo 100 >>pingov mi prejdu tak 2-3max. Sietovky mam 3com 3c905C-TX nastavene >>diagnostic toolom na 10fullDuplex, linuxy nemam, neviem v nich robit. >> >> >>>Stranka na simandla >>>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm >>> >>>frekvencie som nastavil na stotiny presne, siet sa v XP rozpozna no nexcu >>> >>> >>prudit data. Poradte pliz, bavim sa s tym uz tyzden a neviem prist na chybu >>:( >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From andy at intercomp.info Mon Sep 20 03:29:58 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Mon Sep 20 03:17:17 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=A0[Ronja]=A0Twister=A0power=A0consumpcion?= In-Reply-To: <414C1519.1070904@katka.biz> References: <20040915224724.GB2371@beton.cybernet.src><3367.195.205.177.214.1095294427.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src><1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <414C1519.1070904@katka.biz> Message-ID: <32842.195.205.177.211.1095647398.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> First and second Twister: Loopback - OK (twice packet per sec) Rx to Tx wire - OK (twice packet per sec) Rx and Tx module - OK (twice packet per sec) When I conected (replace) second TX-RX module then there is one packet per sec. I saw that RSSI didn't reacted when changing the red light. There is still about 0,20 V even when I light into photodiode from 1cm ! So I think, that with second RX something is wrong....(cause in first RX RSSI shows me abot 3,95 V from 10cm lenght) I checked wire connections and replaced some components in second RX, but bug is still present. So I will do another RX and we will see. I have also question about NIC loopback testing...: When I conected Twister to switch (100Mbps, no managle) and my PC to the same switch, then: 1. Switch saw the Twister as 10Mbps (this is OK) 2. Switch saw the PC as 100Mbps, and PC saw 100Mbps link in full-duplex (OK) 3. Loopback-mode testing - I didn't testing (I don't know how to switch the S1 and S2. So I switched to "switch mode" and skip this test.) 4. RX to Tx wire - Failed (one pac.per sec. ,and red and green diode didn't flash) 5. RX and TX module - Failed as in 4 Am I correct that this "switch test" failed, because switch didn't know any ARP from port where Twister is connected ? So switch didin't switched any packet to this port ? And Switch will be switching packets when there will be another Twister connected, in other side of link, to another PC (with ARP) or device that have ARP table? Is this correct or something goes wrong with my test :) ? > Have you tested twisters in loopback mode? (without last section - > connect modules...) > see and try for both twisters: > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaLoopbackTestonLinuxEn > > Try and say, where you stops. > > p0l0us > > > Andrzej K. wrote: > >>>What was the voltage on +5V line (output from regulator) when it was >>>inserted >>>the wrong way? >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>> >> >>I don't know. But I think there was 12V :( >>So every chip get 12V on Vcc.... >>Anyway...I bought new chips except 74HC04, because I can't get it at >> this >>moment. I replaced with new one also 7805 and 16Mghz crystal oscillator. >>I didn't replace capacitors and resistors.... >> >>I powered on the device, and I have one problem (the same problem I also >>had when I used old IC's): When I plug into Twister, the TX and RX , then >>Windows says me that cabble is unpluged, and in about 1-2 sec. later all >>is OK (cable is plugged), and in about next 1-2 sec. again says that >>cabble is unpluged and so on, and so on...... >>What is wrong ? It can be wrong shield on RX or something about it ? >>Because sometimes when I close hand to RX or touch the RX, then all is >> OK. >>I must also say that I use NON-airwire RX and TX, but on PCB from >>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm >>Can it be wrong ? >> >>And I wana ask for something: When I will power on Twister with RX and TX >>without PC cable, then GREEN diode must be lid or not? >>Cause in my case GREEN diode is lid only when I plug to Twister RX, TX >>...AND cable from PC. And it becomeing to dark when I'm lighting on it >>with light from Transmitter.... >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Mon Sep 20 05:41:01 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Sep 20 05:36:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister power consumpcion In-Reply-To: <32842.195.205.177.211.1095647398.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <20040915224724.GB2371@beton.cybernet.src><3367.195.205.177.214.1095294427.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src><1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <414C1519.1070904@katka.biz> <32842.195.205.177.211.1095647398.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <414E5F5D.8050305@katka.biz> Andrzej K. wrote: >First and second Twister: >Loopback - OK (twice packet per sec) >Rx to Tx wire - OK (twice packet per sec) >Rx and Tx module - OK (twice packet per sec) > > Your twisters work right. So try 2NICs o 2 PCs test to check packetloss. Without modules and with modules (after you repair a bug there).... >When I conected (replace) second TX-RX module then there is one packet per >sec. I saw that RSSI didn't reacted when changing the red light. There is >still about 0,20 V even when I light into photodiode from 1cm ! >So I think, that with second RX something is wrong....(cause in first RX >RSSI shows me abot 3,95 V from 10cm lenght) >I checked wire connections and replaced some components in second RX, but >bug is still present. >So I will do another RX and we will see. > > Yu can messure greatest range with all transmited (twice) packets - should be about 1.7-3meters.... or leave it to 2NICSs/PCs test - its more accurately :). >I have also question about NIC loopback testing...: >When I conected Twister to switch (100Mbps, no managle) and my PC to the >same switch, then: >1. Switch saw the Twister as 10Mbps (this is OK) >2. Switch saw the PC as 100Mbps, and PC saw 100Mbps link in full-duplex (OK) >3. Loopback-mode testing - I didn't testing (I don't know how to switch > > To loopback mode against Switch or Hub should to be set like against PC (but it doesn't work, you know :] ). This mode fully disable electronic (interconnect utp cable wires) to check cable and NIC's settings with loopback test. >the S1 and S2. So I switched to "switch mode" and skip this test.) >4. RX to Tx wire - Failed (one pac.per sec. ,and red and green diode >didn't flash) >5. RX and TX module - Failed as in 4 > >Am I correct that this "switch test" failed, because switch didn't know >any ARP from port where Twister is connected ? So switch didin't switched >any packet to this port ? And Switch will be switching packets when there >will be another Twister connected, in other side of link, to another PC >(with ARP) or device that have ARP table? > >Is this correct or something goes wrong with my test :) ? > > > From PC (or switch) view Twister looks like a utp cable, but singal goes thru air. Twister (and cable alone too) have no address. So you're right. - switch don't know where to send packet. Loopback test may work with only twister connected direct to PC. see: http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing.php http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaTest2NICsOrPCsOnLinuxEn have a fun :) p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 20 07:14:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 07:14:08 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?oKCgoFtSb25qYV2gVHdp?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ster=A0power=A0consumpcion?= In-Reply-To: <1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src> <1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040920061404.GA6299@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 02:47:31AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > > What was the voltage on +5V line (output from regulator) when it was > > inserted > > the wrong way? > > > > Cl< > > I don't know. But I think there was 12V :( > So every chip get 12V on Vcc.... They can be burned because 12V surely severely goes over their absolute maximum ratings. > Anyway...I bought new chips except 74HC04, because I can't get it at this > moment. I replaced with new one also 7805 and 16Mghz crystal oscillator. > I didn't replace capacitors and resistors.... > > I powered on the device, and I have one problem (the same problem I also > had when I used old IC's): When I plug into Twister, the TX and RX , then > Windows says me that cabble is unpluged, and in about 1-2 sec. later all > is OK (cable is plugged), and in about next 1-2 sec. again says that > cabble is unpluged and so on, and so on...... > What is wrong ? It can be wrong shield on RX or something about it ? Some chip is probably dead from the 12V. Replace them all. Or your Windows are having mental problems. > Because sometimes when I close hand to RX or touch the RX, then all is OK. > I must also say that I use NON-airwire RX and TX, but on PCB from > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > Can it be wrong ? These are unsupported. > > And I wana ask for something: When I will power on Twister with RX and TX > without PC cable, then GREEN diode must be lid or not? When the RX sees the idle signal, it is not shining, otherwise undefined. Cl< > Cause in my case GREEN diode is lid only when I plug to Twister RX, TX > ...AND cable from PC. And it becomeing to dark when I'm lighting on it > with light from Transmitter.... > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 20 07:30:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 07:30:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <20040830222245.GA17942@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040830222245.GA17942@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040920063005.GA6374@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:22:45AM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Ahoj > > Mam tu 3 rxka, 1 funguje, 2 nikoliv. Ty nefungujici ale maji vsechny > testpointy vicemene v toleranci (akorat jeden ma P101 11.4 V a ma mit aspon > 11.5 V). Kdyz jsem se dal do promerovani soucastek, tak jsem narazil na > zajimavy jev. Pri mereni R101 (zapajeny v rxku) v nefunkcnich kusech > (laciny digitalni) ohmmetr ukazoval okolo 100 kiloohm (coz R101 ma mit), > ale ve funkcnim kuse ukazoval 25 kiloohm nebo 25 megaohm podle toho, > v jake polarite jsem k nemu prilozil ohmmetr. Netusite nekdo, co > zpusobuje, ze se ta rxka vzhledem k mereni chovaji ruzne? Jeste > me napada, ze v tech nefunkcnich je asi jina fotodioda (v jednech je > asi SFH203, v druhych je asi BPW43, ale nevim, ktera v ktere skupine). Rekni co jsi delal jinak nez v navodu a kde v navodu nastal problem. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 20 07:32:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 07:32:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <20040830231331.GA22652@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <4133DA60.1000100@katka.biz> <20040830231331.GA22652@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040920063208.GB6374@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 01:13:31AM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:54:40AM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > Ta SFH ma byt SFH 2030 [F - pro infra]. Rozdil mezi 2030 a bpw43 nejni > > moc velky. V GMe ti klidne misto bpw43 [pruhledna dioda] prodaj bpw34 > > [ta je placata, hranata a spatna]. Na me to zkouseli a znamymu to > > dokonce vnutili. :-/ > > No ja si nejsem jist, zda ty druhy jsou BPW 43 - kamarad mi pomichal > moje SFH 2030 (oprava) s nejakyma jeho fotodiodama, o kterych tvrdil, > ze to jsou BPW 43, ale doklad od nich nemam. > > Nevite nekdo, jak tyto diody vypadaji? Pridal jsem do FAQ polozku jak rozeznat BPW43 a SFH203: http://beton/faq.php Cl< > > Jedny z tech, co tu mam, maji pri pohledu primo 'v ose rotace' velkou > tmavou plosku pres skoro celou sirku diody (pri pohledu z boku ta ploska > vypada tak na 2 mm delky). Druhe maji tu plosku malou (pri pohledu v ose > vypada tak 1 mm, z boku nepozorovatelna), jinak oboje vypadaji jako > 'klasicka LEDka' (valec zakonceny polokouli), akorat pruhledne. > > -- > Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > > Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) > OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) > "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 20 07:38:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 07:38:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <4133F096.609@katka.biz> References: <20040830231331.GA22652@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <4133F096.609@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040920063800.GC6374@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 02:29:26AM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > sfh maji tu plosku vetsi tak ty 2mm a je kolem ni takovej slabej > neuplnej ramecek a kolem nej silnejsi uplnej .. vypada to pekne ;). Jo ohledne toho neuplyho ramecku - nakreslil jsem to v sodipodi, sodipodi to pri editaci zobrazuje neuplny, ale do postscriptu to vytiskne jako skoro uplny. Je to buga v sodipodi, nareportoval jsem ji. Cl< > z plosky bpw, ta je tak ten 1mm, mi vede takovej slabounkej ztatej dratek. > > p0l0us > > Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > > >No ja si nejsem jist, zda ty druhy jsou BPW 43 - kamarad mi pomichal > >moje SFH 2030 (oprava) s nejakyma jeho fotodiodama, o kterych tvrdil, > >ze to jsou BPW 43, ale doklad od nich nemam. > > > >Nevite nekdo, jak tyto diody vypadaji? > > > >Jedny z tech, co tu mam, maji pri pohledu primo 'v ose rotace' velkou > >tmavou plosku pres skoro celou sirku diody (pri pohledu z boku ta ploska > >vypada tak na 2 mm delky). Druhe maji tu plosku malou (pri pohledu v ose > >vypada tak 1 mm, z boku nepozorovatelna), jinak oboje vypadaji jako > >'klasicka LEDka' (valec zakonceny polokouli), akorat pruhledne. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Mon Sep 20 07:43:06 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Mon Sep 20 07:43:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rychlost twistera Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48AA1D@vestex01.vest.corp> > > a na kolik jsi celak ze pobezi? :) ronja je snad od jakziva > 10Mb ne? :) e-e puvodne 115kbps max :-) jeste seriova... -- Kosac From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 20 07:48:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 07:48:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merici body v rx In-Reply-To: <20040831101344.GA30887@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040831101344.GA30887@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040920064841.GA6589@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:13:44PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Ahoj > > Nevite nekdo, zda merici body na rx maji byt v popsanych mezich > kdyz na fotodiodu prichazi signal, kdyz neprichazi, nebo v obou pripadech? V obou pripadech, pokud neni prichazejici signal prilis silny (RSSI >2V rekneme). Cl< > > -- > Ondrej Zajicek > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 20 07:56:28 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 07:56:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Seznam soucastek a jejich presny popis In-Reply-To: <20040831200319.8049A1A5C28@relay.inway.cz> References: <20040831200319.8049A1A5C28@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: <20040920065628.GD6589@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 10:03:21PM +0200, Petr Neumann wrote: > Zdrav?m > Prosim vas nechci vypadat za uplneho tupce :) Jak tady na foru tak v krame > :) > Koukal jsem do seznamu soucastek a pak do katalogu GM a GES > Jakej je treba rozdil > 4x 100u/10V > a 4x 100u/10V_miniaturni > Podle katalogu jsem nic nenasel. > D?le je tam > radi?ln?, t=85?C > a radi?ln?, t=105?C > Jaky mam pouzit ? Kdy? neni specifikovan? teplota tak libovoln?. Ronja m? horn? provozn? teplotu 70 stupnu takze 85 stupnovy kondy by mely stacit. 105 jsou samozrejme lepsi. Pokud se ti to podela s 85 kondem, nareportuj to normalne jako bugu. Cl< > Ja osobne se pres tohle treba dostanu ale mozna by nebylo od veci kdybyste > vy profici znaly v oboru trochu ten seznam upravily a up?esnily :) > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/tetrapolis1.components.cz > > Diky moc verim tomu ze vam to moc casu nezabere a ostatni lajci neznaly v > oboru to uvitaj. > P.S. Nepiste odpovedi typu ze prodavac to vi, atd.. !! From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 20 08:15:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 08:15:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 Full Duplex In-Reply-To: <41357DBB.4030202@poupe.net> References: <41357DBB.4030202@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040920071547.GE6589@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 09:43:55AM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Ahoj, > > jak muzu u 3c900 v linuxu overit ze bezi ve fullduplexu? > 1) jsem to nastavil pres dos util > 2) jsem zkousel cpat parametry modulu > > ale kdyz pustim mii-tool tak mi rekne: > eth3: 10 Mbit, half duplex, link ok me to dela to same. Sitovku mam na full duplex a rika to: clock@beton:~$ mii-tool eth0 eth0: 10 Mbit, half duplex, link ok clock@beton:~$ cat /proc/pci | grep 3c Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c900 Combo [Boomerang] (rev 0). man mii-tool: "This utility checks or sets the status of a network interface's Media Independent Interface (MII) unit. " V tomto okamziku je treba zjistit, zda clovek pouziva program opravnene, nebo nikoliv. Ja jsem 3c900 v obchode nekupoval, mam ji z druhe ruky, ale odhaduju ze kdyz se koupi nebo koupila, neni k ni v navodu receno nic o tom, jake programatorske rozhrani karta poskytuje. Vyrobce na tom ani zajem nema, z toho duvodu, cim mene budou uzivatele schopni rozumet produktu ktery maji doma, tim mene efektivne s nim budou schopni pracovat, a tim vice sitovych karet budou potrebovat na reseni urcite ulohy, a tim vice jich prodejce proda. Reseni je jedine ve vyvinuti svobodne karty, ke ktere specifikace budou dostupne uz v okamziku prodeje. Pak je treba zjistit co to je to MII. Co to je MII se definuje nekde v tisicich stranek byrokraticke specifikace IEEE802.3, ktera stridave je verejne dostupna a stridave za prachy. Tusim ze 3c900 MII nema. Stav, kdy clovek musi precist tisice stranek pro to, aby zjistil, zda muze pouzit nejakou posranou utilitu, je dle meho nazoru neudrzitelny. Udrzitelna jsou napr. internetova RFC - jsou vetsinou kratka, strucna, jasna, jednoducha. Reseni je v opusteni srackoveho standardu Ethernet, ktery je dokonalym prikladem efektu snehove koule, a vyvinuti a implementace svobodneho standardu pro pocitacove site. > > a ethtool mi rekne : ethtool tu nemam takze to neozkousim. Ja to mam v /etc/lilo.conf: image=/boot/2.4.25 label=2.4.25 read-only # 0x3=BNC half duplex, 0x201=AUI full duplex append="ether=0,0,0x201,0,eth0" # append="ether=0,0,0x3,0,eth0" Cl< > Settings for eth3: > No data available > > > Takze nejak nevim nevim... > > P.S. nechci odpoved dle toho jak to bezi :D > > Kneza From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 20 08:17:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 08:18:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro plastova ronja In-Reply-To: <004901c48ffb$731f2240$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> References: <004901c48ffb$731f2240$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <20040920071758.GF6589@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 10:12:37AM +0200, miro wrote: > co sa tyka rone,pouzil som plastovu ruru ruzovu na odpad 140mm bez > vyhrievacich odporov hermeticky som ju uzatvoril a naplnil som ju dusikom > .nainstaloval som ju 6.1. 2004 na spoj dlhy 850m ,takze prezila zimu aj leto > bez problemov,na plaste som zatial nepobadal ziadne zmeny. V galerii spoj o delce 850m nemam (jen v Brazilii). Pokud by ti nevadilo spoj tam nechat uvest, posli pls. kde to je, technicke detaily a pripadne fotky tak, jak je to u ostatnich spoju na http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 20 08:33:28 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 08:33:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 Full Duplex In-Reply-To: <001001c49000$f939c8d0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <41357DBB.4030202@poupe.net> <000901c48ff9$a29048d0$0103450a@thechosen> <4135B3CC.9020303@katka.biz> <001001c49000$f939c8d0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040920073328.GA6829@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 10:52:12AM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > > Pokud bude zapojen loopback twister a karta v 10M-Half D., tak by snad > > zadne packety ani projit nemeli, protoze karta neni schopna vysilat a > > prijmat najednou [to vlastne jasne ne]. > > mozna neprojde nic, loopback na HF sem nikdynezkousel, jen na tom posji vim > ze losuje asi 40% > > > Pod linuxem jeste existuji mii-tool, ktere delaji to same, ze jinak a > > kdyz mi na nejake karty nefungoval ethtool, tak mii jo.. zkus to .. na > > wiky je popsano, tak to priblizne delat. > > ethtool si s 3c900 nerozumi, funguje mii-tool ale ten to zase nenastavi a > spatne to ukazuje, asi chyba v driverech sitovky pro nova jadra, mam dojem > ze v 2.2.x mi to ukazovalo dobre. jeste je mii-diag, ten je z 2.2.x linuxu > jeste asi, ten nevim jak e stim chova. Mam sitovku 3c900 na eth0 nastavenou ve full duplex a na AUI: clock@beton:~$ mii-diag eth0 Basic registers of MII PHY #0: 0000 ffff 0000 ffff 0000 ffff 0000 ffff. The autonegotiated capability is 0000. No common media type was autonegotiated! This is extremely unusual and typically indicates a configuration error. Perhaps the advertised capability set was intentionally limited. Basic mode control register 0x0000: Auto-negotiation disabled, with Speed fixed at 10 mbps, half-duplex. Basic mode status register 0xffff ... ffff. Link status: established. Remote fault detected! *** Link Jabber! *** Your link partner advertised ffff: Flow-control 100baseT4 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx 10baseT-FD 10baseT, w/ 802.3X flow control. End of basic transceiver information. Jeste co hlasi tucnacek: clock@beton:~$ dmesg | grep 'AUI\|duplex' 8K word-wide RAM 3:5 Rx:Tx split, 10Mbs AUI interface. 01:05.0: Media override to transceiver type 1 (10Mbs AUI). eth0: Media override to transceiver 1 (10Mbs AUI). [...] Cl< > > > Pokud muzes popsat [nejaky navod] jak se nastavuje prez tu dos utilitu > > [jestli to teda funguje], tak to prosim hod na wiky k nastaveni nebo > > sem, a ja to tam pridam... > > na tiki me nikdo nedostane :) ja tam nejsem shopnej najit jedinou vec :) > nezkutecnej web. textu bambilion ale jeste sem se tam nic nedocetl :)) krom > seznamu uzivatelu :) takze to tak kdyz tak hod radsi ty > > co lidi psaly (a uz i zde na mlistu jsme to resily) tak u tehle karty je > nutne mit driver jako modul a ten loadovat > modprobe 3c59x full_duplex=1 (kdyz das modprobe 3c59x hledat tady na mlistu > neco najdes) > coz by pry melo stacit. ale nic se nezkazi na to kouknout utilitkou od > vyrobce > to jest stahnout druhou disketu ovladacu pro kartu 3com900, ropzbalit :). > mam dojem ze to je stejny balik jako pro 3c905. tam se nachazi dos program > 3C90XCFG.EXE. ten v dosu, ne widlich, pustit, a tam uz to je prost edos > woknoidni aplikace kde sikazdej nastavi co chce. to uz snad popis > nepotrebuje. a pokud selze i zdravy rozum tak v adresari help je file > DOSDIAG.TXT a tam je to popsane. pro anglicky vladnouci. > > > jo - je to v RonjaSetupHints nebo tak neco. > > > > zdar > > p0l0us > > > > Michal Malusek wrote: > > > > >zjistis to jedine kdyz pripojis twistera a zapnes na nem loopback. pak > > >udelas klasickej loopback test kdyz rekneme pingnes 1000 packetu floodem > > >tcpdump musi ukazat presne dvojnasobek packetu (jde tam zapnout > pocitani). > > >pokud by karta jela na halfduplex bude velmi znatelne lossovat. stejne > tak > > >bude lossovat kdyz udelas spoj ronjou a jedna sitovka bude half a druha > full > > >duplex. obe half nevadi. take takhel rpovozuju 3c900 a funi full. musis > > >fullduplex specifikovat uz pri nacitani modulu a zapnutim pres dos > utilitu > > >nic nezkazis. > > > > > >modprobe 3c59x full_duplex=1 > > > > > >jako half se bude hlasit porad :/ > > > > > >Glo > > > > > > > > > > > >>Ahoj, > > >> > > >>jak muzu u 3c900 v linuxu overit ze bezi ve fullduplexu? > > >>1) jsem to nastavil pres dos util > > >>2) jsem zkousel cpat parametry modulu > > >> > > >>ale kdyz pustim mii-tool tak mi rekne: > > >>eth3: 10 Mbit, half duplex, link ok > > >> > > >>a ethtool mi rekne : > > >>Settings for eth3: > > >>No data available > > >> > > >> > > >>Takze nejak nevim nevim... > > >> > > >>P.S. nechci odpoved dle toho jak to bezi :D > > >> > > >>Kneza From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 20 08:34:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 08:34:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] C153 - dalsi exemplar In-Reply-To: <000501c49010$a939f200$0202a8c0@woita> References: <20040727072151Z278873-29342+4070@mail.centrum.cz> <000501c49010$a939f200$0202a8c0@woita> Message-ID: <20040920073436.GB6829@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 12:44:30PM +0200, Vojtech Cizinsk? wrote: > Mam tu dalsi exemplar receiveru, ktery jede na 60cm s c153 a na 2 metry bez > nej. Navic bez prispeni elektronicke aury Michala Maluska. > Pred vyndanim kondenzatoru to jelo fakt sitozne, nepomohla trojnasobna > vymena FETu (vse BF988, nekupovane najednou, navic z ruznych obchodu), > operaku (zkouseno s NE592-14, NE592-8, a nejaky TLko) ani limiteru > (tentokrat pouze 2 exemplare :o) ). Vyndani c153 byla posledni sance...a > fungujici. Zkousel jsi tam uz pridat ten kondenzator C154 paralelne s C153? Pokud ano, jaky mas vysledek? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Sep 20 08:44:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 08:45:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Fwd: fotky In-Reply-To: <1463944580.20040902080917@volny.cz> References: <1463944580.20040902080917@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040920074456.GA7070@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 08:09:17AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj > posilam tip na hezkou Twister krabicku :-) > Do takove cpu twistry ja. > Je to 130mm a 132mm Twister tam passne akorat se musi malinko > zakulatit rohy. Montuju ho do te mensi a tou vetsi ho prikryvam. Dal jsem ty fotky do galerky (az pustim synchronizaci tak se tam objevej) do pc_interface/ondrej_tesar. Myslim ze adekvatni by mohlo bejt kdybys to napsal do RonjaUserContributions na wiki nebo jak se to menuje (jestli se ti teda chce). Cl< > > Ondra From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Mon Sep 20 09:39:18 2004 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vojtech_Cizinsk=FD?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 09:40:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] C153 - dalsi exemplar References: <20040727072151Z278873-29342+4070@mail.centrum.cz> <000501c49010$a939f200$0202a8c0@woita> <20040920073436.GB6829@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000601c49eed$51a8a0e0$0202a8c0@woita> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] C153 - dalsi exemplar > On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 12:44:30PM +0200, Vojtech Cizinsk? wrote: > > Mam tu dalsi exemplar receiveru, ktery jede na 60cm s c153 a na 2 metry bez > > nej. Navic bez prispeni elektronicke aury Michala Maluska. > > Pred vyndanim kondenzatoru to jelo fakt sitozne, nepomohla trojnasobna > > vymena FETu (vse BF988, nekupovane najednou, navic z ruznych obchodu), > > operaku (zkouseno s NE592-14, NE592-8, a nejaky TLko) ani limiteru > > (tentokrat pouze 2 exemplare :o) ). Vyndani c153 byla posledni sance...a > > fungujici. > > Zkousel jsi tam uz pridat ten kondenzator C154 paralelne s C153? Pokud > ano, jaky mas vysledek? Nezkousel. Prijimac je uz na strese, prijima na 900m a rozdelavat to uz nebudu... > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Sep 20 14:15:49 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Sep 20 14:19:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] who is using tx/rx pcbs? References: <6137264125.20040919114430@fonoc.net> Message-ID: <005501c49f13$f2f5b340$0101a8c0@cz> Info about me experiments is on http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/ -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "spider" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: [Ronja] who is using tx/rx pcbs? > Hello everyone, > > all of you that use (or know someone who uses) pcbs for tx/rx, please > post details: > > > pcb design by: > smd or discrete: > pcb url (if any): > operating distance: > > > > I'd like to make some pcbs but I'm not sure which... > I've found two designs till now: > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm - Petr Simandl > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaPCB - Ondrej Tesar > but I'm not sure if discrete versions can work at distance of 1.3Km ? > > > -- > Best regards, > spider mailto:spider@fonoc.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Mon Sep 20 15:09:56 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 15:09:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prijimaci dioda Message-ID: <528204.90748-23680-1651798464-1095689395@email.seznam.cz> Neznate nekdo nejaky obchod, kde maji diody k Rx (BPW43, SFH2030, SFH203)?. GM - BPW43-nemaji, SFH2030 - vyprodano GES - BPW43-maji, ale cena pres 70Kc, SFH2030-nemaji, SFH203-pouze po 500ks :) PS - nemaji nic! Compo - taky maj velky kulovy. Znate nekdo jeste nejaky obchody, kde by se daly sehnat? From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Sep 20 15:12:58 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Sep 20 15:17:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prijimaci dioda References: <528204.90748-23680-1651798464-1095689395@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000601c49f1b$ee8a7040$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damir ?poljari?" To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: [Ronja] Prijimaci dioda > Neznate nekdo nejaky obchod, kde maji diody k Rx (BPW43, SFH2030, SFH203)?. > GM - BPW43-nemaji, SFH2030 - vyprodano Pro SFH2030 / SFH2030F volej (pripadne objednej) na POBOCKACH gme v Brne/Ostrave. Mel jsem s tim dost velkej uspech. Co nemaj na centrale v Praglu to maji v pobockach na krame. -=RYS=- > GES - BPW43-maji, ale cena pres 70Kc, SFH2030-nemaji, SFH203-pouze po 500ks :) > PS - nemaji nic! > Compo - taky maj velky kulovy. > > Znate nekdo jeste nejaky obchody, kde by se daly sehnat? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From honza at hoidekr.net Mon Sep 20 15:20:37 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Hoidekr) Date: Mon Sep 20 15:20:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prijimaci dioda In-Reply-To: <000601c49f1b$ee8a7040$0101a8c0@cz> References: <528204.90748-23680-1651798464-1095689395@email.seznam.cz> <000601c49f1b$ee8a7040$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <414EE735.9020302@hoidekr.net> Nevim, jak presne s diodami, ale na Twistra maji v Plzni v GME uplne vsechno. Stav z minuleho tydne. Honza -=RYS=- wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Damir ?poljari?" >To: >Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:09 PM >Subject: [Ronja] Prijimaci dioda > > > > >>Neznate nekdo nejaky obchod, kde maji diody k Rx (BPW43, SFH2030, >> >> >SFH203)?. > > >>GM - BPW43-nemaji, SFH2030 - vyprodano >> >> > >Pro SFH2030 / SFH2030F volej (pripadne objednej) na POBOCKACH gme v >Brne/Ostrave. >Mel jsem s tim dost velkej uspech. Co nemaj na centrale v Praglu to maji v >pobockach na krame. > >-=RYS=- > > > > > > >>GES - BPW43-maji, ale cena pres 70Kc, SFH2030-nemaji, SFH203-pouze po >> >> >500ks :) > > >>PS - nemaji nic! >>Compo - taky maj velky kulovy. >> >>Znate nekdo jeste nejaky obchody, kde by se daly sehnat? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From ndesir at saitis.net Mon Sep 20 16:13:56 2004 From: ndesir at saitis.net (Nicolas Desir) Date: Mon Sep 20 16:13:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Power Margin Question Message-ID: <20040920151356.GA10674@hydro> Hi, I was trying to figure out where to plot a vertical bar on the following graph for my ronja installation: fig 2 of: http://web.archive.org/web/20020918010715/http://www.cochrane.org.uk/opinion/papers/optical-wireless.htm And I come to the point that I had to know what was the power margin left for bad weather after having already substracted the clearly free space loss. Perhaps the 17dB on the distance calculation page is the answer but I'm not sure. It would be really nice to have a graph or just a little equation that gives this answer according to the distance, lenses and leds? And also, what is the maximum attenuation supported, and on which base (where is 0dB)? Does anybody have graphs like the one from Cochrane's paper for other countries? Thx & Greetings Nicolas From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Sep 20 18:24:01 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 18:24:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky In-Reply-To: <414EE735.9020302@hoidekr.net> References: <528204.90748-23680-1651798464-1095689395@email.seznam.cz> <000601c49f1b$ee8a7040$0101a8c0@cz> <414EE735.9020302@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <414F1231.5030609@sattnet.cz> Kdyz uz tu tedy cocky, soude podle reakci, nikdo nema, mohl by mi alespon nejaky prazak sdelit, do kolika maji v te trznici? I kdyz vyhodim penize, za ktere bych mel hned 3, musim tam jet :-(. Diky -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 20 18:38:30 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 18:39:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 Message-ID: <20040920173841Z1300788-26764+167012@mail.centrum.cz> jako ze bys to uz nestavel? proc?:) je to nake krkolomne? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: David Sedl??ek > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:18:29 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 > > Je to stara elektronika, jen se nestrka do aui, ale do tp rozhrani ;-). > Ale uz bych do toho nesel.. > > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > > >jaky je rozdil mezi simandlem 0,3 a twistrem?? umi simadluv autonegation nebo jak se to vlastne menuje ci pise? je v necem lepsi? > > > >______________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>Od: Michal Malusek > >>Komu: "mXHXkonf" , "Twibright Ronja" > >>Datum: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:13:59 +0200 > >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 > >> > >>zkus jnou sitovku. 3c905c neni nic moc, mam take jeden tp0,3 a jede to > >>solidn ejen se starou verzi 905. lepsi je 3c900 nebo 509 > >> > >>Glo > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "mXHXkonf" > >>To: > >>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:29 PM > >>Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Zdravim, postavil som Ronju Simandlovu verziu TP 0.3 a zariadenia mi nexcu > >>> > >>> > >>komunikovat ked ich prepojim priamo cez kriz. Samozrejme cez optiku uz toboz > >>nie. Viete niekto o nejakom bugu ktory by mohol byt v tom obvode? Zo 100 > >>pingov mi prejdu tak 2-3max. Sietovky mam 3com 3c905C-TX nastavene > >>diagnostic toolom na 10fullDuplex, linuxy nemam, neviem v nich robit. > >> > >> > >>>Stranka na simandla > >>>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > >>> > >>>frekvencie som nastavil na stotiny presne, siet sa v XP rozpozna no nexcu > >>> > >>> > >>prudit data. Poradte pliz, bavim sa s tym uz tyzden a neviem prist na chybu > >>:( > >> > >> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- P?edpla?te si INSTINKT, z?sk?te CD a 13 v?tisk? zdarma! http://www.instinkt-online.cz/predplatne/default.html From mixaj at mymail.cz Mon Sep 20 18:59:25 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Mon Sep 20 18:58:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky References: <528204.90748-23680-1651798464-1095689395@email.seznam.cz> <000601c49f1b$ee8a7040$0101a8c0@cz><414EE735.9020302@hoidekr.net> <414F1231.5030609@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <000901c49f3b$91408cb0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Hele.. Zitra mozna pojedu do Praglu... A pojedu urcite do Holesovicke trznice, pokud pojedu do Praglu. Kdyz budes mit stale zajem, kopim ti je. Pokud vim, ty mensi stojej kolem 30kc a vetsi kolem 70kc..... kdyztak mi pisni na mail mixaj@mymail.cz vybiram ho casto ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedl??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:24 PM Subject: [Ronja] Cocky > Kdyz uz tu tedy cocky, soude podle reakci, nikdo nema, mohl by mi > alespon nejaky prazak sdelit, do kolika maji v te trznici? I kdyz > vyhodim penize, za ktere bych mel hned 3, musim tam jet :-(. > Diky > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Sep 20 19:01:15 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 19:02:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaky duplex Message-ID: <20040920180121Z1304797-26764+167455@mail.centrum.cz> ja uz opravdu nevim. fakt uz nevim a mam v tom zmatek. chci zistit jestlimi spoj jede half nebo full duplex... poradte mi pls jak. mam win XP a 98, a na druhe strane XP a linux ve kterem moc neumim......dik -------------------- P?edpla?te si INSTINKT, z?sk?te CD a 13 v?tisk? zdarma! http://www.instinkt-online.cz/predplatne/default.html From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Sep 20 19:38:09 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 19:38:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky In-Reply-To: <000901c49f3b$91408cb0$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <528204.90748-23680-1651798464-1095689395@email.seznam.cz> <000601c49f1b$ee8a7040$0101a8c0@cz><414EE735.9020302@hoidekr.net> <414F1231.5030609@sattnet.cz> <000901c49f3b$91408cb0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <414F2391.6070301@sattnet.cz> Jen dodavam, ze se mi jedna o cocky 130mm -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Sep 20 19:44:30 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Mon Sep 20 19:44:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <20040920063005.GA6374@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040920184430.GA26879@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 06:30:05AM +0000, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:22:45AM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > > Ahoj > > > > Mam tu 3 rxka, 1 funguje, 2 nikoliv. Ty nefungujici ale maji vsechny > > testpointy vicemene v toleranci (akorat jeden ma P101 11.4 V a ma mit aspon > > 11.5 V). Kdyz jsem se dal do promerovani soucastek, tak jsem narazil na > > zajimavy jev. Pri mereni R101 (zapajeny v rxku) v nefunkcnich kusech > > (laciny digitalni) ohmmetr ukazoval okolo 100 kiloohm (coz R101 ma mit), > > ale ve funkcnim kuse ukazoval 25 kiloohm nebo 25 megaohm podle toho, > > v jake polarite jsem k nemu prilozil ohmmetr. Netusite nekdo, co > > zpusobuje, ze se ta rxka vzhledem k mereni chovaji ruzne? Jeste > > me napada, ze v tech nefunkcnich je asi jina fotodioda (v jednech je > > asi SFH203, v druhych je asi BPW43, ale nevim, ktera v ktere skupine). > > Rekni co jsi delal jinak nez v navodu a kde v navodu nastal problem. Podle navodu jsem snad delal vse, problem nastal pri testu (1 twister, 1 rx, 1tx, rx proti tx). Ty 2 nefunkcni rxka mely dosah tak okolo 40 cm, ta funkcni okolo 2 m. Opravdu ten rozdil byl dan tou fotodiodou. Kdyz je tam SHF2030 (nikoliv SHF203, jak jsem psal predtim), tak je dosah 2 m, v tech dvou s dosahem 40 cm je BPW43, po vymene BPW43 za SHF2030 se dosah opravil. Chodi to nekomu dobre z BPW43? Ledaze bych mel nejakou vadnou serii BPW43. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Sep 20 21:24:25 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Sep 20 21:24:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 References: <20040920173841Z1300788-26764+167012@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000b01c49f4f$d4301450$0103450a@thechosen> protoze to je pode stareho aui, ktere je buggy, proste to nestav, nikdo ti na to neda tady support. fakt to za to nstoji, mam dva tyhel kramy doma. fungujou ale rozbehat to je kapku horsi nez zapajet twistera kterej jede hned. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 jako ze bys to uz nestavel? proc?:) je to nake krkolomne? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: David Sedl??ek > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:18:29 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 > > Je to stara elektronika, jen se nestrka do aui, ale do tp rozhrani ;-). > Ale uz bych do toho nesel.. > > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > > >jaky je rozdil mezi simandlem 0,3 a twistrem?? umi simadluv autonegation nebo jak se to vlastne menuje ci pise? je v necem lepsi? > > > >______________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>Od: Michal Malusek > >>Komu: "mXHXkonf" , "Twibright Ronja" > >>Datum: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:13:59 +0200 > >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 > >> > >>zkus jnou sitovku. 3c905c neni nic moc, mam take jeden tp0,3 a jede to > >>solidn ejen se starou verzi 905. lepsi je 3c900 nebo 509 > >> > >>Glo > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "mXHXkonf" > >>To: > >>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:29 PM > >>Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Zdravim, postavil som Ronju Simandlovu verziu TP 0.3 a zariadenia mi nexcu > >>> > >>> > >>komunikovat ked ich prepojim priamo cez kriz. Samozrejme cez optiku uz toboz > >>nie. Viete niekto o nejakom bugu ktory by mohol byt v tom obvode? Zo 100 > >>pingov mi prejdu tak 2-3max. Sietovky mam 3com 3c905C-TX nastavene > >>diagnostic toolom na 10fullDuplex, linuxy nemam, neviem v nich robit. > >> > >> > >>>Stranka na simandla > >>>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > >>> > >>>frekvencie som nastavil na stotiny presne, siet sa v XP rozpozna no nexcu > >>> > >>> > >>prudit data. Poradte pliz, bavim sa s tym uz tyzden a neviem prist na chybu > >>:( > >> > >> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- P?edpla?te si INSTINKT, z?sk?te CD a 13 v?tisk? zdarma! http://www.instinkt-online.cz/predplatne/default.html _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Sep 20 21:39:32 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Mon Sep 20 21:39:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Mechanicke casti Ronji Message-ID: <20040920203932.GA2871@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Ahoj Mam nejake dotazy na mechanickou cast: * Ronja 10M 130mm Tubular Head - 350mm of open thin-walled section 25x25x2mm Z obrazku jsem pochopil, ze se jedna o U profil. Je to tak? BTW, proc je proti tem profilum na drzaku tak tenky, kdyz to taky drzi celou ronju? * Ronja Mast Console - 50mmx38mm rolled steel U section Jak tlusty? -- Ondrej Zajicek From polous at katka.biz Mon Sep 20 22:37:58 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Sep 20 22:33:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaky duplex In-Reply-To: <20040920180121Z1304797-26764+167455@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040920180121Z1304797-26764+167455@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <414F4DB6.9040205@katka.biz> http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaFullDuplexHints - jestli najdes chybu nebo nejaky novy postup, skus to tam zapsat ;-) p0l0us Jakub Michn?k wrote: >ja uz opravdu nevim. fakt uz nevim a mam v tom zmatek. chci zistit jestlimi spoj jede half nebo full duplex... poradte mi pls jak. mam win XP a 98, a na druhe strane XP a linux ve kterem moc neumim......dik > > From polous at katka.biz Mon Sep 20 22:41:50 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Sep 20 22:37:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 In-Reply-To: <000b01c49f4f$d4301450$0103450a@thechosen> References: <20040920173841Z1300788-26764+167012@mail.centrum.cz> <000b01c49f4f$d4301450$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <414F4E9E.4000506@katka.biz> Michal Mal??ek wrote: >protoze to je pode stareho aui, ktere je buggy, proste to nestav, nikdo ti >na to neda tady support. fakt to za to nstoji, mam dva tyhel kramy doma. >fungujou ale rozbehat to je kapku horsi nez zapajet twistera kterej jede >hned. > >Glo > > > > > odpovida mym zkusenostem ..... From kuna at alphanet.sk Tue Sep 21 07:32:21 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Tue Sep 21 06:41:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro plastova ronja Message-ID: <003001c49fa4$c05d2800$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> foto zaslem ,ale pre nedostatok casu ho poslem tak o tyzden alebo dva.technicky som ronju uplne prerobil,ethernet mam vyvedeny priamo z rx tubusu ,po ktorom ju aj napajam .dnes idem instalovat v poradi uz 7spoj ,co sa tyka lokality je to na orave konkretne v dolnom kubine. ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040921/c098648b/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 21 07:58:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 21 07:58:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <20040920184430.GA26879@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040920063005.GA6374@beton.cybernet.src> <20040920184430.GA26879@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040921065814.GA27143@beton.cybernet.src> > > Rekni co jsi delal jinak nez v navodu a kde v navodu nastal problem. > > Podle navodu jsem snad delal vse, problem nastal pri testu (1 twister, > 1 rx, 1tx, rx proti tx). Ty 2 nefunkcni rxka mely dosah tak okolo 40 cm, > ta funkcni okolo 2 m. Opravdu ten rozdil byl dan tou fotodiodou. Kdyz je tam > SHF2030 (nikoliv SHF203, jak jsem psal predtim), tak je dosah 2 m, v tech > dvou s dosahem 40 cm je BPW43, po vymene BPW43 za SHF2030 se dosah opravil. > Chodi to nekomu dobre z BPW43? Ledaze bych mel nejakou vadnou serii BPW43. Nema ta BPW43 viditelne mensi krystalek na pohled nez SFH203? CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 21 08:00:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 21 08:00:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Mechanicke casti Ronji In-Reply-To: <20040920203932.GA2871@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040920203932.GA2871@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040921070003.GB27143@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:39:32PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Ahoj > > Mam nejake dotazy na mechanickou cast: > > * Ronja 10M 130mm Tubular Head - 350mm of open thin-walled section 25x25x2mm > > Z obrazku jsem pochopil, ze se jedna o U profil. Je to tak? Jo > > BTW, proc je proti tem profilum na drzaku tak tenky, kdyz to taky > drzi celou ronju? > > * Ronja Mast Console - 50mmx38mm rolled steel U section > > Jak tlusty? To je valcovany. U toho se tloustka neudava, ta je jedna a standardni (a v kazdym miste jina). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 21 08:24:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 21 08:24:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Power Margin Question In-Reply-To: <20040920151356.GA10674@hydro> References: <20040920151356.GA10674@hydro> Message-ID: <20040921072432.GA27276@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 05:13:56PM +0200, Nicolas Desir wrote: > Hi, > > I was trying to figure out where to plot a vertical bar on the following > graph for my ronja installation: > > fig 2 of: > http://web.archive.org/web/20020918010715/http://www.cochrane.org.uk/opinion/papers/optical-wireless.htm > > And I come to the point that I had to know what was the power margin > left for bad weather after having already substracted the clearly free > space loss. See this: http://beton/metropolis/dist.php > > Perhaps the 17dB on the distance calculation page is the answer but I'm not > sure. It would be really nice to have a graph or just a little equation > that gives this answer according to the distance, lenses and leds? > > And also, what is the maximum attenuation supported, and on which base > (where is 0dB)? I don't understand this question. Cl< > > Does anybody have graphs like the one from Cochrane's paper for other > countries? > > Thx & Greetings > > Nicolas From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 21 08:32:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 21 08:32:51 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?oFtSb25qYV2gVHdpc3Rl?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?r=A0power=A0consumpcion?= In-Reply-To: <32842.195.205.177.211.1095647398.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <414C1519.1070904@katka.biz> <32842.195.205.177.211.1095647398.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040921073250.GD27276@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 04:29:58AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > First and second Twister: > Loopback - OK (twice packet per sec) > Rx to Tx wire - OK (twice packet per sec) > Rx and Tx module - OK (twice packet per sec) > > When I conected (replace) second TX-RX module then there is one packet per > sec. I saw that RSSI didn't reacted when changing the red light. There is > still about 0,20 V even when I light into photodiode from 1cm ! > So I think, that with second RX something is wrong....(cause in first RX > RSSI shows me abot 3,95 V from 10cm lenght) > I checked wire connections and replaced some components in second RX, but > bug is still present. > So I will do another RX and we will see. > > I have also question about NIC loopback testing...: > When I conected Twister to switch (100Mbps, no managle) and my PC to the > same switch, then: > 1. Switch saw the Twister as 10Mbps (this is OK) > 2. Switch saw the PC as 100Mbps, and PC saw 100Mbps link in full-duplex (OK) > 3. Loopback-mode testing - I didn't testing (I don't know how to switch > the S1 and S2. So I switched to "switch mode" and skip this test.) > 4. RX to Tx wire - Failed (one pac.per sec. ,and red and green diode > didn't flash) > 5. RX and TX module - Failed as in 4 > > Am I correct that this "switch test" failed, because switch didn't know > any ARP from port where Twister is connected ? So switch didin't switched > any packet to this port ? And Switch will be switching packets when there > will be another Twister connected, in other side of link, to another PC > (with ARP) or device that have ARP table? The test doesn't work from said reasons. The switch won't transmit even when there's another twister on the other side unless there is also a PC on the other side. Cl< From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Sep 21 09:13:12 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Sep 21 09:13:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <20040921065814.GA27143@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040921081312.GA2248@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 06:58:14AM +0000, Karel Kulhav wrote: > > ta funkcni okolo 2 m. Opravdu ten rozdil byl dan tou fotodiodou. Kdyz je tam > > SHF2030 (nikoliv SHF203, jak jsem psal predtim), tak je dosah 2 m, v tech > > dvou s dosahem 40 cm je BPW43, po vymene BPW43 za SHF2030 se dosah opravil. > > Chodi to nekomu dobre z BPW43? Ledaze bych mel nejakou vadnou serii BPW43. > > Nema ta BPW43 viditelne mensi krystalek na pohled nez SFH203? Ma -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Sep 21 09:14:03 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Sep 21 09:13:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Power Margin Question In-Reply-To: <20040921072432.GA27276@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040920151356.GA10674@hydro> <20040921072432.GA27276@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <379978920.20040921101403@volny.cz> KK> See this: KK> http://beton/metropolis/dist.php This is only on your computer, isnt it? Ondra From simandl at mujmail.cz Tue Sep 21 09:23:11 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Tue Sep 21 09:21:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl TP v0.3 In-Reply-To: <20040920173841Z1300788-26764+167012@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040920173841Z1300788-26764+167012@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <414FE4EF.2070001@mujmail.cz> > jaky je rozdil mezi simandlem 0,3 a twistrem?? Bude lep?? kdy? si postav?te twistera. Je digit?ln? tak?e teplotn? i technologicky z?visl? ?asov? konstanty ( napr. C5-R1 a C6-R2), s kter?mi jsou p?i o?ivov?n? a b?hem provozu probl?my, odpadaj?. > umi simadluv autonegation nebo jak se to vlastne menuje ci pise? autonetiation neumi > je v necem lepsi? ve "sve dobe" to byl dostupny jednostranny plosny spoj cim se lisil dnes bude lepsi kdyz pujdete do twistera http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/index.php hezky den From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 21 09:35:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 21 09:36:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <20040921081312.GA2248@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040921065814.GA27143@beton.cybernet.src> <20040921081312.GA2248@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040921083533.GD27668@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 10:13:12AM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 06:58:14AM +0000, Karel Kulhav wrote: > > > ta funkcni okolo 2 m. Opravdu ten rozdil byl dan tou fotodiodou. Kdyz je tam > > > SHF2030 (nikoliv SHF203, jak jsem psal predtim), tak je dosah 2 m, v tech > > > dvou s dosahem 40 cm je BPW43, po vymene BPW43 za SHF2030 se dosah opravil. > > > Chodi to nekomu dobre z BPW43? Ledaze bych mel nejakou vadnou serii BPW43. > > > > Nema ta BPW43 viditelne mensi krystalek na pohled nez SFH203? > > Ma Tak to bude asi normalni. Opticke pomery pri testovani na zemi jsou odlisne od pomeru co panuji v trubkach. Dopsal jsem to do navodu, rozepsal jsem vzdalenosti pri testovani pro SFH203 a BPW43. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 21 09:35:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 21 09:36:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Power Margin Question In-Reply-To: <379978920.20040921101403@volny.cz> References: <20040920151356.GA10674@hydro> <20040921072432.GA27276@beton.cybernet.src> <379978920.20040921101403@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040921083553.GE27668@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 10:14:03AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > KK> See this: > KK> http://beton/metropolis/dist.php > > This is only on your computer, isnt it? Sorry, http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php Cl< From ndesir at saitis.net Tue Sep 21 11:13:47 2004 From: ndesir at saitis.net (Nicolas Desir) Date: Tue Sep 21 11:13:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Power Margin Question In-Reply-To: <20040921072432.GA27276@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040920151356.GA10674@hydro> <20040921072432.GA27276@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040921101347.GB26161@hydro> On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 07:24:32AM +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 05:13:56PM +0200, Nicolas Desir wrote: > > > > And I come to the point that I had to know what was the power margin > > left for bad weather after having already substracted the clearly free > > space loss. > > See this: > http://beton/metropolis/dist.php > > > Perhaps the 17dB on the distance calculation page is the answer but I'm not ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > sure. It would be really nice to have a graph or just a little equation > > that gives this answer according to the distance, lenses and leds? I was talking about this page. So is 17dB the answer? > > > > And also, what is the maximum attenuation supported, and on which base > > (where is 0dB)? > > I don't understand this question. I was wondering if I could calculate the link budget, ie: - reflexion on emitter lense: -3dB - free space loss: -27dB (receiver lense of 90 mm with a spot of 2m =~ 1/500) - reflexion on receiver lense: -3dB so if maximum attenuation is 50 dB, I will have a 17 dB power margin for weather problems. and in this calculation the 0db correspond to a theoretical setup of a receiver mounted directly against the emmiter with no relexion loss on the lenses. I am currently neglecting the influence of ambient light which of course influence the sensivity of the receiver. And without taking noise into account, we definitively cannot talk about SNR. From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Sep 21 11:32:35 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Sep 21 11:32:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <20040921083533.GD27668@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040921103235.GB2248@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 08:35:33AM +0000, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 10:13:12AM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 06:58:14AM +0000, Karel Kulhav wrote: > > > > ta funkcni okolo 2 m. Opravdu ten rozdil byl dan tou fotodiodou. Kdyz je tam > > > > SHF2030 (nikoliv SHF203, jak jsem psal predtim), tak je dosah 2 m, v tech > > > > dvou s dosahem 40 cm je BPW43, po vymene BPW43 za SHF2030 se dosah opravil. > > > > Chodi to nekomu dobre z BPW43? Ledaze bych mel nejakou vadnou serii BPW43. > > > > > > Nema ta BPW43 viditelne mensi krystalek na pohled nez SFH203? > > > > Ma > > Tak to bude asi normalni. Opticke pomery pri testovani na zemi jsou odlisne > od pomeru co panuji v trubkach. Jo, taky si to myslim. Jenom me prekvapuje, ze se na to jeste nenarazilo - to ty BPW43 nikdo nepouziva? -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From clock at twibright.com Tue Sep 21 14:58:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 21 14:58:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Power Margin Question In-Reply-To: <20040921101347.GB26161@hydro> References: <20040920151356.GA10674@hydro> <20040921072432.GA27276@beton.cybernet.src> <20040921101347.GB26161@hydro> Message-ID: <20040921135824.GB28300@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 12:13:47PM +0200, Nicolas Desir wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 07:24:32AM +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 05:13:56PM +0200, Nicolas Desir wrote: > > > > > > And I come to the point that I had to know what was the power margin > > > left for bad weather after having already substracted the clearly free > > > space loss. > > > > See this: > > http://beton/metropolis/dist.php > > > > > Perhaps the 17dB on the distance calculation page is the answer but I'm not > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > sure. It would be really nice to have a graph or just a little equation > > > that gives this answer according to the distance, lenses and leds? > > I was talking about this page. I think 4.25dB is the answer but I am not sure with the question. CL< From kuna at alphanet.sk Tue Sep 21 20:53:16 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Tue Sep 21 20:02:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro -marcel hecko Message-ID: <001201c4a014$a37d3b60$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> rx a tx robim ako vrabcie hniezdo a lupy kupujem v blave v optike,alebo v prahe od cinanov. ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040921/c95933d3/attachment.htm From andy at intercomp.info Tue Sep 21 22:26:41 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Tue Sep 21 22:13:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Rx problem In-Reply-To: <20040920061404.GA6299@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src><1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040920061404.GA6299@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1066.195.205.177.214.1095802001.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> What is happen, what is wrong, when RSSI didn't show only the same voltage even if TX diode is near the photodiode ? I mean there is still about 0,25 mv. What is wrong ? I done another RX and there is all right. But in the third and fourth RX there is the same problem as in the first.... What is wrong... ? What component in RX is wrong when RSSI show this wrong value ? From andy at intercomp.info Tue Sep 21 22:28:38 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Tue Sep 21 22:15:47 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?[Ronja]=A0Rx=A0problem?= In-Reply-To: <1066.195.205.177.214.1095802001.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src><1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040920061404.GA6299@beton.cybernet.src> <1066.195.205.177.214.1095802001.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <1084.195.205.177.214.1095802118.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Sorry, I mean when RSSI show only the same voltage... > What is happen, what is wrong, when RSSI didn't show only the same voltage > even if TX diode is near the photodiode ? > I mean there is still about 0,25 mv. > What is wrong ? > > I done another RX and there is all right. But in the third and fourth RX > there is the same problem as in the first.... > What is wrong... ? What component in RX is wrong when RSSI show this wrong > value ? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From andy at intercomp.info Wed Sep 22 03:48:18 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Wed Sep 22 03:35:14 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Rx=A0problem?= In-Reply-To: <1084.195.205.177.214.1095802118.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src><1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040920061404.GA6299@beton.cybernet.src><1066.195.205.177.214.1095802001.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <1084.195.205.177.214.1095802118.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <3009.195.205.177.214.1095821298.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> I check again... The voltage is going down from 0,75 mV when the power is on, and down in few second to 0,25mV > Sorry, I mean when RSSI show only the same voltage... > >> What is happen, what is wrong, when RSSI didn't show only the same >> voltage >> even if TX diode is near the photodiode ? >> I mean there is still about 0,25 mv. >> What is wrong ? >> >> I done another RX and there is all right. But in the third and fourth RX >> there is the same problem as in the first.... >> What is wrong... ? What component in RX is wrong when RSSI show this >> wrong >> value ? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Wed Sep 22 15:18:18 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Sep 22 15:14:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Rx problem In-Reply-To: <1066.195.205.177.214.1095802001.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <20040916160605.GB1517@beton.cybernet.src><1091.195.205.177.214.1095468451.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040920061404.GA6299@beton.cybernet.src> <1066.195.205.177.214.1095802001.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <415189AA.4010506@katka.biz> Are all of your Rx modules on Simandl's PCBs ? Or any airwire ? Have you checked all of testpoints ? - are they all right ? - (use testpoits from ronja.twibtight.com site). p0l0us Andrzej K. wrote: >What is happen, what is wrong, when RSSI didn't show only the same voltage >even if TX diode is near the photodiode ? >I mean there is still about 0,25 mv. >What is wrong ? > >I done another RX and there is all right. But in the third and fourth RX >there is the same problem as in the first.... >What is wrong... ? What component in RX is wrong when RSSI show this wrong >value ? > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From pavkriz at gybon.cz Tue Sep 28 12:55:19 2004 From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz) Date: Tue Sep 28 12:55:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC Message-ID: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> Resil sem problem jak pingnout (atd...) mezi dvema sitovkama v tomtez PC pres kabel (nebo switch nebo ronju). Zatim jsem nasel tato reseni: 1) Patch do jatra: http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/#loop (nezkousel jsem) 2) Moje reseni pomoci SNAT/DNAT, arp, route: http://www.gybon.cz/~pavkriz/download/looptest.sh Myslim, ze by se to mohlo lidem hodit. Ale cekal sem ze by to mohlo byt jednodussi - pokud existuji jednussi reseni, tak me prosim poucte :) Bye, Pavel Kriz www.hkfree.org From polous at katka.biz Tue Sep 28 15:54:35 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Sep 28 15:49:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC In-Reply-To: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz> Cetl jsi cast navodu Testing Ronja Tetrapolis (prip. v cj) ? p0l0us Pavel Kriz wrote: > Resil sem problem jak pingnout (atd...) mezi dvema sitovkama v tomtez > PC pres kabel (nebo switch nebo ronju). > > Zatim jsem nasel tato reseni: > > 1) Patch do jatra: > http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/#loop > (nezkousel jsem) > > 2) Moje reseni pomoci SNAT/DNAT, arp, route: > http://www.gybon.cz/~pavkriz/download/looptest.sh > > Myslim, ze by se to mohlo lidem hodit. > Ale cekal sem ze by to mohlo byt jednodussi - pokud existuji jednussi > reseni, tak me prosim poucte :) > > Bye, Pavel Kriz > www.hkfree.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From pavkriz at gybon.cz Tue Sep 28 21:06:35 2004 From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz) Date: Tue Sep 28 21:06:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC In-Reply-To: <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz> Message-ID: <4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> Navod sem cetl, ale v moji situaci to nefungovalo - asi delam neco blbe nebo nevim - popisu jak to vypada: Mam 2 sitovky v tomtez PC, kernel je vidi jako eth0 a eth1, postupuju podle http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php P??prava-Nastaven? s??ov?ch karet pro test s dv?ma kartami nebo dv?ma PC a to takto: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 route add -host 192.168.0.2 eth0 route add -host 192.168.0.1 eth1 Pak pustim ping na 192.168.0.1 a ono to pinga i kdyz do sitovky neni zasunuty zadny kabel - stejne tak pro 192.168.0.2. Pingy jsou male (radove mensi nez kdyz to chodi po kabelu). Stejne se to chova na vsech systemech co sem mel k dispozici: Cerstve nainstalovany Debian 3.1 - jadra 2.4.27, 2.6.7 Postarsi RedHat 8 - jadro 2.4.24 Routovaci tabulka vypada takto: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.0.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth1 192.168.0.2 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 Co teda delam spatne? (podotykam, ze mi to cele funguje spravne, pokud jsou kazda ze sitovek v jinem PC) Martin Polehla wrote: > Cetl jsi cast navodu Testing Ronja Tetrapolis (prip. v cj) ? > > p0l0us From honza at hoidekr.net Tue Sep 28 23:17:41 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Tue Sep 28 23:17:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC In-Reply-To: <4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz> <4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <4159E305.7070608@hoidekr.net> Ahoj. Mam podobnou zkusenost, ping jde i pri rozpojenych sitovkach. Pred casem jsem to tu psal. Clock me prosil o vyzkouseni, ale zatim jsem nemel prilezitost. 100% funkcni je muj navod pouzitim Knoppixu (obecne jakekoliv distribuce) a tcpdump. Ma nevyhodu, ze nelze vyzkouset prenos dlouhych paketu. Honza Pavel Kriz wrote: > Navod sem cetl, ale v moji situaci to nefungovalo - asi delam neco blbe > nebo nevim - popisu jak to vypada: > > Mam 2 sitovky v tomtez PC, kernel je vidi jako eth0 a eth1, > postupuju podle http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php > P??prava-Nastaven? s??ov?ch karet pro test s dv?ma kartami nebo dv?ma PC > > a to takto: > > ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 > ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 > route add -host 192.168.0.2 eth0 > route add -host 192.168.0.1 eth1 > > Pak pustim ping na 192.168.0.1 a ono to pinga i kdyz do sitovky neni > zasunuty zadny kabel - stejne tak pro 192.168.0.2. Pingy jsou male > (radove mensi nez kdyz to chodi po kabelu). > > Stejne se to chova na vsech systemech co sem mel k dispozici: > Cerstve nainstalovany Debian 3.1 - jadra 2.4.27, 2.6.7 > Postarsi RedHat 8 - jadro 2.4.24 > > Routovaci tabulka vypada takto: > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 192.168.0.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth1 > 192.168.0.2 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 > 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 > > Co teda delam spatne? > (podotykam, ze mi to cele funguje spravne, pokud jsou kazda ze sitovek v > jinem PC) > > Martin Polehla wrote: > >> Cetl jsi cast navodu Testing Ronja Tetrapolis (prip. v cj) ? >> >> p0l0us > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From andy at intercomp.info Wed Sep 29 02:05:37 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Wed Sep 29 01:51:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem with distance, led's and full duplex. Message-ID: <1464.195.205.177.214.1096419937.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Hello. I have some problems with my Ronja. I must say that for testing Ronja I used 2x PC's with Linux operating system. To clearly describing problem I will label components of first side of Ronja link as: PC-1, Twister-1, RX-1, TX-1. And the components of second side of link I will label as: PC-2,Twister-2,RX-2 and TX-2 And the problem is: 1. Very short operating distance. I tested it on the floor. I light TX-1 into RX-2 and TX-2 to RX-1. In both cases maximum distance is Max 1m. !!! I tuned R104 and R106. Here are some values: P110 - 11.8 V - is that OK ? P102 - 3.33 V - I can't tune to 3.5V - 4V !!! (R104 gives 2,75V, R124 gives 3.33V, R123 gives 4,5V) P104 - 5.30 V I didn't tuned TX yet. But I have some suspicion about my HPWT's. I bought this LED's on e-bay. Guy who was salling this LED said that those LED's are HPWT-BD00-E4000. How can I check this ? I my opinion they are too low light. In almost all pictures in ronja gallery light of HPWT is almost white. Such as in this case: http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/prague/bakulak/testing04.jpg In my case this is Simply Red :) 2. Second problem is with FULL-DUPLEX mode. a) When I set 10baseT-FD mode in both PC's. Then transfer to PC-1 from PC-2 is about 950KB/s. Transfer from PC-1 to PC-2 is about 600KB/s But when I transered files to PC-1 from PC-2 and from PC-1 to PC-2 in the same time (full duplex) then transfer is: 950KB/s and 0KB/s !!!! And ping's in this full-duplex test are no good....I mean they show max 1ms but with about 40% packet lost when I transfered files in both directions. b) When I set 10baseT-HD mode in both PC's (Half Duplex). Then transfer to PC-1 from PC-2 is about 1050 KB/s. Transfer from PC-1 to PC-2 is about 1050 KB/s too. When I transfered files to PC-1 from PC-2 and from PC-1 to PC-2 in the same time, then transfer is about 500 KB/s and 500 KB/s. And ping's in half-duplex are I think, good....I mean they show about max 20ms but with 0% packet lost when I transfered files in both directions. Here is my problem :) Thanks for any answer. From pavkriz at gybon.cz Wed Sep 29 08:13:02 2004 From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz) Date: Wed Sep 29 08:13:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC In-Reply-To: <4159E305.7070608@hoidekr.net> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz> <4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> <4159E305.7070608@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <415A607E.4050305@gybon.cz> Jestli myslis tohle http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaLoobackTestOnKnopix tak to samozrejme funguje, ale netestuje to celou sestavu a plnohodnotne (tj. treba i ftp prenost full duplex). S tou modifikaci arp tabulky co je v oficialnim postupu by snad slo posilat i ty dlouhe packet, ne.?. BTW to ze tcpdump po startu nekdy dlouho ceka nez neco vypise bych mozna prisuzoval jeho pokusum resolvovat IPcka co se v tech packetech vyzkytuji - zkus 'tcpdump -n' jestli to nahodou nepomuze. Pavel Jan Hoidekr wrote: > Ahoj. > Mam podobnou zkusenost, ping jde i pri rozpojenych sitovkach. > Pred casem jsem to tu psal. Clock me prosil o vyzkouseni, ale zatim jsem > nemel prilezitost. > 100% funkcni je muj navod pouzitim Knoppixu (obecne jakekoliv > distribuce) a tcpdump. Ma nevyhodu, ze nelze vyzkouset prenos dlouhych > paketu. > > Honza > > Pavel Kriz wrote: > >> Navod sem cetl, ale v moji situaci to nefungovalo - asi delam neco >> blbe nebo nevim - popisu jak to vypada: >> >> Mam 2 sitovky v tomtez PC, kernel je vidi jako eth0 a eth1, >> postupuju podle http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php >> P??prava-Nastaven? s??ov?ch karet pro test s dv?ma kartami nebo dv?ma PC >> >> a to takto: >> >> ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 >> ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 >> route add -host 192.168.0.2 eth0 >> route add -host 192.168.0.1 eth1 >> >> Pak pustim ping na 192.168.0.1 a ono to pinga i kdyz do sitovky neni >> zasunuty zadny kabel - stejne tak pro 192.168.0.2. Pingy jsou male >> (radove mensi nez kdyz to chodi po kabelu). >> >> Stejne se to chova na vsech systemech co sem mel k dispozici: >> Cerstve nainstalovany Debian 3.1 - jadra 2.4.27, 2.6.7 >> Postarsi RedHat 8 - jadro 2.4.24 >> >> Routovaci tabulka vypada takto: >> Kernel IP routing table >> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface >> 192.168.0.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth1 >> 192.168.0.2 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 >> 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 >> 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 >> >> Co teda delam spatne? >> (podotykam, ze mi to cele funguje spravne, pokud jsou kazda ze sitovek >> v jinem PC) >> >> Martin Polehla wrote: >> >>> Cetl jsi cast navodu Testing Ronja Tetrapolis (prip. v cj) ? >>> >>> p0l0us >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Sep 29 15:00:11 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Sep 29 14:59:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky z Holosovicke trznice Message-ID: <000d01c4a62c$a31d3a30$02086b0a@atintel> Zde byl um?st?n nep?ijateln? obsah typu: multipart/alternative------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: cocka.JPG Typ: image/jpeg Velikost: 26389 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040929/5c806930/cocka-0001.jpg From clock at twibright.com Wed Sep 29 15:09:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Sep 29 15:09:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky z Holosovicke trznice In-Reply-To: <000d01c4a62c$a31d3a30$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000d01c4a62c$a31d3a30$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040929140911.GB904@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 04:00:11PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Dneska jsem koupil 8 tehle cocek za 60Kc/ks, jsou to ty spravne? :) Jo jsou. Cl< From andy at intercomp.info Wed Sep 29 17:44:31 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Wed Sep 29 17:30:00 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?[Ronja]=A0Problem=A0with=A0distance=2C=A0led's=A0and=A0ful?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?[Ronja] Problem with distance, led's and full=A0duplex.?= In-Reply-To: <1464.195.205.177.214.1096419937.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <1464.195.205.177.214.1096419937.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <1102.195.205.177.214.1096476271.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> OK. I resolved FULL-DUPLEX problem. There was NIC problem, not Twister. All is OK. In full duplex there is almost the same transfer, about 900KB/s in both directions at the same time. But problem with distnace is present. I mesured some checkpoints in Transmiter..and: In point P7 i have 1,60V without ping flood, and about 1,65V with ping flood. My nominal value of R11 is 9,2 ohm. So if I=U/R then my I=0,17A ???? I'm afraid that my suspision about my...let we say "HPWT-BD00-E400" is right. I thing that guy who sell me that LED, lied me and sell me something like this: http://zefiryn.tme.pl/dok/optoelektronika/L-76761CSECH.pdf There are KINGBRIGHT lED's looks like LumiLed's. This KINGBRIGHT's led's are in almost bigger electronic shops in Poland and they are very chip (0,1$/1pcs), and they consume 0,20A. Am I right with my suspicions ? Here are the rest values from TX (DC, With signal at CON1): P1: 0V ok P2: 4,92V ok P3: 4,39V little too much (0,05V) P4: 4,93V ok P5: 9,63V ok P6: 3,40V too much (0,83V) P7: 1,60V TOO LOWWWW (need plus 3,97V) P8: 4,94V ok P9: 11,77V ok > Hello. > > I have some problems with my Ronja. > I must say that for testing Ronja I used > 2x PC's with Linux operating system. > To clearly describing problem I will label components of first side of > Ronja link as: PC-1, Twister-1, RX-1, TX-1. > And the components of second side of link I will label as: > PC-2,Twister-2,RX-2 and TX-2 > > And the problem is: > > 1. Very short operating distance. I tested it on the floor. I light TX-1 > into RX-2 and TX-2 to RX-1. In both cases maximum distance is Max 1m. !!! > I tuned R104 and R106. > Here are some values: > P110 - 11.8 V - is that OK ? > P102 - 3.33 V - I can't tune to 3.5V - 4V !!! (R104 gives 2,75V, R124 > gives 3.33V, R123 gives 4,5V) > P104 - 5.30 V > > I didn't tuned TX yet. But I have some suspicion about my HPWT's. > I bought this LED's on e-bay. Guy who was salling this LED said that those > LED's are HPWT-BD00-E4000. > How can I check this ? > I my opinion they are too low light. In almost all pictures in ronja > gallery light of HPWT is almost white. Such as in this case: > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/prague/bakulak/testing04.jpg > In my case this is Simply Red :) > > 2. Second problem is with FULL-DUPLEX mode. > a) When I set 10baseT-FD mode in both PC's. Then transfer to PC-1 from > PC-2 is about 950KB/s. Transfer from PC-1 to PC-2 is about 600KB/s > But when I transered files to PC-1 from PC-2 and from PC-1 to PC-2 in the > same time (full duplex) then transfer is: 950KB/s and 0KB/s !!!! > And ping's in this full-duplex test are no good....I mean they show max > 1ms but with about 40% packet lost when I transfered files in both > directions. > > b) When I set 10baseT-HD mode in both PC's (Half Duplex). Then transfer to > PC-1 from PC-2 is about 1050 KB/s. Transfer from PC-1 to PC-2 is about > 1050 KB/s too. > When I transfered files to PC-1 from PC-2 and from PC-1 to PC-2 in the > same time, then transfer is about 500 KB/s and 500 KB/s. > And ping's in half-duplex are I think, good....I mean they show about max > 20ms but with 0% packet lost when I transfered files in both directions. > > Here is my problem :) > Thanks for any answer. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From maco at host.sk Wed Sep 29 18:41:59 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Sep 29 18:42:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky z Holosovicke trznice In-Reply-To: <000d01c4a62c$a31d3a30$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000d01c4a62c$a31d3a30$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <415AF3E7.9090203@host.sk> Nenajde sa niekto kto mi tie cocky posle do Brna, alebo je mozne ich zohnat aj v Brne? Zobral by som ich takych 12 kusov. Diki m. Milan Korda wrote: > Dneska jsem koupil 8 tehle cocek za 60Kc/ks, jsou to ty spravne? :) > > > __________ NOD32 1.880 (20040928) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >__________ NOD32 1.880 (20040928) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > From andy at intercomp.info Wed Sep 29 20:17:29 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Wed Sep 29 20:02:54 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Problem=A0with=A0distance=2C=A0led's=A0and?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=A0ful[Ronja]=A0Problem=A0with=A0distance=2C=A0led's=A0and?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=A0full=A0duplex.?= In-Reply-To: <1102.195.205.177.214.1096476271.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <1464.195.205.177.214.1096419937.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <1102.195.205.177.214.1096476271.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <1048.195.205.177.214.1096485449.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Sorry. there was no voltage bug.... In point P7 there is 0,070A , so 70mA. My mistake. i don't know what I'm thinking about ? Voltage around R11 is 0,65V not 1,60V. So checkpoints looks like: P1: 0V ok P2: 4,92V ok P3: 4,39V little too much (0,05V) P4: 4,93V ok P5: 9,63V ok P6: 3,40V too much (0,83V) P7: 70mA P8: 4,94V ok P9: 11,77V ok But my suspicions about HPWT is still present. How can I check this LED's ???? > OK. I resolved FULL-DUPLEX problem. > There was NIC problem, not Twister. All is OK. In full duplex there is > almost the same transfer, about 900KB/s in both directions at the same > time. > But problem with distnace is present. > > I mesured some checkpoints in Transmiter..and: > > In point P7 i have 1,60V without ping flood, and about 1,65V with ping > flood. > My nominal value of R11 is 9,2 ohm. So if I=U/R then my I=0,17A ???? > I'm afraid that my suspision about my...let we say "HPWT-BD00-E400" is > right. I thing that guy who sell me that LED, lied me and sell me > something like this: > http://zefiryn.tme.pl/dok/optoelektronika/L-76761CSECH.pdf > There are KINGBRIGHT lED's looks like LumiLed's. This KINGBRIGHT's led's > are in almost bigger electronic shops in Poland and they are very chip > (0,1$/1pcs), and they consume 0,20A. > Am I right with my suspicions ? > > Here are the rest values from TX (DC, With signal at CON1): > P1: 0V ok > P2: 4,92V ok > P3: 4,39V little too much (0,05V) > P4: 4,93V ok > P5: 9,63V ok > P6: 3,40V too much (0,83V) > P7: 1,60V TOO LOWWWW (need plus 3,97V) > P8: 4,94V ok > P9: 11,77V ok > > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Sep 30 10:47:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Sep 30 10:47:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC In-Reply-To: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <20040930094750.GA242@beton.cybernet.src> Jeste by se mohl upravit rawframes skript co je tady: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RawFramesTest On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 01:55:19PM +0200, Pavel Kriz wrote: > Resil sem problem jak pingnout (atd...) mezi dvema sitovkama v tomtez PC > pres kabel (nebo switch nebo ronju). > > Zatim jsem nasel tato reseni: > > 1) Patch do jatra: > http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/#loop > (nezkousel jsem) > > 2) Moje reseni pomoci SNAT/DNAT, arp, route: > http://www.gybon.cz/~pavkriz/download/looptest.sh Hehe :) Mas ozkouseny, ze tohle reseni funguje? Cl< > > Myslim, ze by se to mohlo lidem hodit. > Ale cekal sem ze by to mohlo byt jednodussi - pokud existuji jednussi > reseni, tak me prosim poucte :) > > Bye, Pavel Kriz > www.hkfree.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hodza at czfree-ol.net Thu Sep 30 13:52:06 2004 From: hodza at czfree-ol.net (Milan Kozak) Date: Thu Sep 30 13:37:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 17, Issue 55 In-Reply-To: <200409301108.NAA45644@raven.upol.cz> References: <200409301108.NAA45644@raven.upol.cz> Message-ID: <1892.158.194.161.13.1096548726.squirrel@158.194.161.13> Me prijde trosku jednodussi ping -I zarizeni IP takze napriklad: ping -I eth0 10.132.9.0 caf > On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 01:55:19PM +0200, Pavel Kriz wrote: >> Resil sem problem jak pingnout (atd...) mezi dvema sitovkama v tomtez PC >> pres kabel (nebo switch nebo ronju). >> >> Zatim jsem nasel tato reseni: >> >> 1) Patch do jatra: >> http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/#loop >> (nezkousel jsem) >> >> 2) Moje reseni pomoci SNAT/DNAT, arp, route: >> http://www.gybon.cz/~pavkriz/download/looptest.sh > > Hehe :) Mas ozkouseny, ze tohle reseni funguje? > > Cl< >> >> Myslim, ze by se to mohlo lidem hodit. >> Ale cekal sem ze by to mohlo byt jednodussi - pokud existuji jednussi >> reseni, tak me prosim poucte :) >> >> Bye, Pavel Kriz >> www.hkfree.org From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Sep 30 18:25:17 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Sep 30 18:25:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?osazov=E1ky_na_twistera_a_SMD_DPS_tx_a_rx?= References: <200409301108.NAA45644@raven.upol.cz> <1892.158.194.161.13.1096548726.squirrel@158.194.161.13> Message-ID: <000b01c4a712$74983ac0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> www.cipis.net/ronja Cipis From korda.m at seznam.cz Thu Sep 30 19:32:27 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Thu Sep 30 19:31:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Umrtnost BF908 Message-ID: <001801c4a71b$d7614c10$02086b0a@atintel> Nevite jak zabranit zniceni BF908 pri pajeni? Prvni jsem pajel trafopajkou, neprezil. Druhy jsem pajel mikropajkou a neprezil taky :( Teda poprve byl P104 asi 0.8V a podruhy asi 9V. Nevim jestli nebyl zniceny uz driv, protoze ty "experti" v mistnim obchode mi ho dali jen tak v pytliku:( Neco jako reklamace v tomhle pripade asi neexistuje co? :) btw kde je kupujete vy, v ceniku GM ani GESu jsem je nenasel :( Teda v GM maji BF988, je stejne dobry jako BF908 nebo horsi? ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040930/fabf3274/attachment.htm From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Sep 30 21:11:53 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Sep 30 21:11:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Umrtnost BF908 In-Reply-To: <001801c4a71b$d7614c10$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001801c4a71b$d7614c10$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <1915807097.20040930221153@volny.cz> Svoje prvni Ronjy jsem stavel s BF960. Ted stavim s BF988 (dneska je v GM Praha meli). Obcas mi ho prodavac nasype jen tak do pytliku, obcas zabali do alobalu. Kdyz jsem stavel hnizda, pajel jsem je trafopajkou (bez uzemeneho hrotu) SMD desky osazuju mikropajkou. Za celou dobu jsem neoddelal ani jeden!!!! Muj nazor je, ze kdyz jste tam mel tech 9V, tak to fungovalo a vymenou toho R104 by jste dosahl pozadovanych mezi. Reklamace myslim uznavaj, ale ten obvod nesmi byt pajen a ani jinak mit poskozene vyvody. OndraT MK> Nevite jak zabranit zniceni BF908 pri pajeni? Prvni jsem MK> pajel trafopajkou, neprezil. Druhy jsem pajel mikropajkou a MK> neprezil taky :( Teda poprve byl?P104 asi 0.8V a podruhy asi 9V. MK> Nevim jestli nebyl zniceny uz driv, protoze ty "experti" v mistnim MK> obchode mi ho dali jen tak v pytliku:( MK> Neco jako reklamace v tomhle pripade asi neexistuje co? :) MK> btw kde je kupujete vy, v ceniku GM ani GESu jsem je nenasel MK> :( Teda v GM maji?BF988, je stejne dobry jako BF908 nebo horsi?