From Hodza at czfree-ol.net Mon Oct 4 13:04:21 2004 From: Hodza at czfree-ol.net (Milan Kozak) Date: Fri Oct 1 12:51:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Umrtnost BF908 In-Reply-To: <200410011108.NAA07812@raven.upol.cz> References: <200410011108.NAA07812@raven.upol.cz> Message-ID: Ja to delam tak, jak to delaji nekteri vyrobci u citlivjejsich tranzistoru. Nez ho zacnu pajet, tak ho cely vlozim do alobalu tak, aby koukaly jen nozicky ktere budu pajet (jejich konce). Az ho cely zaletuju a DPS je kompletni, tak ten alobal jen opatrne strhnu. Pokud by ti je dala do sacku GM (plastove pytliky s "rychlozaviranim"), pak se nic nedeje. Pokud ti ho dala do mikrotenu, pak by se mu mohlo neco stat. Reklamovat to samozrejmne nejde (respektive jde - oni ho poslou na testy a za mesic ti reknou ze sis ho odpalil sam) Ja je mel vy GM pytliku a nikdy nebyl zadny BAD (coz se neda rict o nekterych IO - viz forum opticke pojitko /tema aktualni vyvoj tusim/ na http://czfree-ol.net) s pozdravem hodza at czfree-ol.net On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:08:07 +0200, wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:32:27 +0200 > From: "Milan Korda" > Subject: [Ronja] Umrtnost BF908 > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Message-ID: <001801c4a71b$d7614c10$02086b0a@atintel> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" > Nevite jak zabranit zniceni BF908 pri pajeni? Prvni jsem pajel > trafopajkou, neprezil. Druhy jsem > pajel mikropajkou a neprezil taky Teda poprve byl P104 asi 0.8V a > podruhy asi 9V. Nevim jestli > nebyl zniceny uz driv, protoze ty "experti" v mistnim obchode mi ho dali > jen tak v pytliku:( > Neco jako reklamace v tomhle pripade asi neexistuje co? > btw kde je kupujete vy, v ceniku GM ani GESu jsem je nenasel Teda v GM > maji BF988, je stejne > dobry jako BF908 nebo horsi? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040930/fabf3274/attachment-0001.htm -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Oct 1 21:11:02 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Oct 1 21:11:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Umrtnost BF908 In-Reply-To: <001801c4a71b$d7614c10$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001801c4a71b$d7614c10$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <1096661461.415db9d60418f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> A jeho kolektorovy odpor 560 Ohm jsi zkousel vymenit za jiny podle rozpisky? Rozptyl parametru techto tranzistoru je opravdu hoooodne velky. Quoting Milan Korda : > Nevite jak zabranit zniceni BF908 pri pajeni? Prvni jsem pajel trafopajkou, > neprezil. Druhy jsem pajel mikropajkou a neprezil taky :( Teda poprve byl > P104 asi 0.8V a podruhy asi 9V. Nevim jestli nebyl zniceny uz driv, protoze > ty "experti" v mistnim obchode mi ho dali jen tak v pytliku:( > Neco jako reklamace v tomhle pripade asi neexistuje co? :) > btw kde je kupujete vy, v ceniku GM ani GESu jsem je nenasel :( Teda v GM > maji BF988, je stejne dobry jako BF908 nebo horsi? From Shamanu8 at web.de Fri Oct 1 21:32:20 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Fri Oct 1 21:33:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) Message-ID: <004501c4a7f5$c0cad180$0500a8c0@AIG1> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 74HC04_STM.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 237295 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041001/46b260d3/74HC04_STM-0001.pdf From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 2 08:05:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Oct 2 08:05:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <004501c4a7f5$c0cad180$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <004501c4a7f5$c0cad180$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20041002070549.GB602@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:32:20PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > It looks like my Twister's are now working correctly. (with the new IC's) > > But i got a problem with the 2 transmitters. > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > All datas are without signal at CON1 (and DC): Are you testing with signal or without? > P6: transmitter1 3,07V > P6: transmitter2 3,08V > They should have 4,6V...5,2V. > P7: t1 1,5V > P7: t2 1,8V (HPWT Led's are always glowing) > (checked only voltages, but ther must be some mA) > In the "without signal at CON1" part are all other checkpoints correct. > > Any idea which part could make the problem?? > C16 left side is 2,49V > C11 right side 3,21V > > Pullup resistor R10 has 100k and at the uper side 5,04V. > > C16 should block all DC, so there is not much left who could drain the Voltage down... > U1-U3 where named 74HC 04 on the page I orderd them. > The IC's self are labled: M74HC04B1 (added datasheets to mail) > > (Powersupply makes 12VA) > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Shamanu8 at web.de Sat Oct 2 09:25:02 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sat Oct 2 09:25:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) References: <004501c4a7f5$c0cad180$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20041002070549.GB602@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000501c4a859$50d8aeb0$0500a8c0@AIG1> All tests without signal. Without a signal the HPWT Led's are always glowing.(!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:32:20PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > It looks like my Twister's are now working correctly. (with the new IC's) > > > > But i got a problem with the 2 transmitters. > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > > > All datas are without signal at CON1 (and DC): > > Are you testing with signal or without? > > > P6: transmitter1 3,07V > > P6: transmitter2 3,08V > > They should have 4,6V...5,2V. > > P7: t1 1,5V > > P7: t2 1,8V (HPWT Led's are always glowing) > > (checked only voltages, but ther must be some mA) > > In the "without signal at CON1" part are all other checkpoints correct. > > > > Any idea which part could make the problem?? > > C16 left side is 2,49V > > C11 right side 3,21V > > > > Pullup resistor R10 has 100k and at the uper side 5,04V. > > > > C16 should block all DC, so there is not much left who could drain the Voltage down... > > U1-U3 where named 74HC 04 on the page I orderd them. > > The IC's self are labled: M74HC04B1 (added datasheets to mail) > > > > (Powersupply makes 12VA) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 2 15:36:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Oct 2 15:36:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000501c4a859$50d8aeb0$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <004501c4a7f5$c0cad180$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20041002070549.GB602@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c4a859$50d8aeb0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20041002143602.GB3293@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:25:02AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > All tests without signal. > Without a signal the HPWT Led's are always glowing.(!) Are you using airwire or PCB? Cl< > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:32:20PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > It looks like my Twister's are now working correctly. (with the new > IC's) > > > > > > But i got a problem with the 2 transmitters. > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > > > > > All datas are without signal at CON1 (and DC): > > > > Are you testing with signal or without? > > > > > P6: transmitter1 3,07V > > > P6: transmitter2 3,08V > > > They should have 4,6V...5,2V. > > > P7: t1 1,5V > > > P7: t2 1,8V (HPWT Led's are always glowing) > > > (checked only voltages, but ther must be some mA) > > > In the "without signal at CON1" part are all other checkpoints correct. > > > > > > Any idea which part could make the problem?? > > > C16 left side is 2,49V > > > C11 right side 3,21V > > > > > > Pullup resistor R10 has 100k and at the uper side 5,04V. > > > > > > C16 should block all DC, so there is not much left who could drain the > Voltage down... > > > U1-U3 where named 74HC 04 on the page I orderd them. > > > The IC's self are labled: M74HC04B1 (added datasheets to mail) > > > > > > (Powersupply makes 12VA) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Shamanu8 at web.de Sat Oct 2 17:16:49 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sat Oct 2 17:17:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) References: <004501c4a7f5$c0cad180$0500a8c0@AIG1><20041002070549.GB602@beton.cybernet.src><000501c4a859$50d8aeb0$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20041002143602.GB3293@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c4a89b$3b7afe50$0500a8c0@AIG1> its airwire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:25:02AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > All tests without signal. > > Without a signal the HPWT Led's are always glowing.(!) > > Are you using airwire or PCB? > > Cl< > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:32:20PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > It looks like my Twister's are now working correctly. (with the new > > IC's) > > > > > > > > But i got a problem with the 2 transmitters. > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > > > > > > > All datas are without signal at CON1 (and DC): > > > > > > Are you testing with signal or without? > > > > > > > P6: transmitter1 3,07V > > > > P6: transmitter2 3,08V > > > > They should have 4,6V...5,2V. > > > > P7: t1 1,5V > > > > P7: t2 1,8V (HPWT Led's are always glowing) > > > > (checked only voltages, but ther must be some mA) > > > > In the "without signal at CON1" part are all other checkpoints correct. > > > > > > > > Any idea which part could make the problem?? > > > > C16 left side is 2,49V > > > > C11 right side 3,21V > > > > > > > > Pullup resistor R10 has 100k and at the uper side 5,04V. > > > > > > > > C16 should block all DC, so there is not much left who could drain the > > Voltage down... > > > > U1-U3 where named 74HC 04 on the page I orderd them. > > > > The IC's self are labled: M74HC04B1 (added datasheets to mail) > > > > > > > > (Powersupply makes 12VA) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 2 19:34:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Oct 2 19:34:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000701c4a89b$3b7afe50$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <20041002143602.GB3293@beton.cybernet.src> <000701c4a89b$3b7afe50$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20041002183436.GA4947@beton.cybernet.src> Can you make a photo of the airwire and post it somewhere? Cl< On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > its airwire. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:25:02AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > All tests without signal. > > > Without a signal the HPWT Led's are always glowing.(!) > > > > Are you using airwire or PCB? > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:05 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:32:20PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > It looks like my Twister's are now working correctly. (with the new > > > IC's) > > > > > > > > > > But i got a problem with the 2 transmitters. > > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > > > > > > > > > All datas are without signal at CON1 (and DC): > > > > > > > > Are you testing with signal or without? > > > > > > > > > P6: transmitter1 3,07V > > > > > P6: transmitter2 3,08V > > > > > They should have 4,6V...5,2V. > > > > > P7: t1 1,5V > > > > > P7: t2 1,8V (HPWT Led's are always glowing) > > > > > (checked only voltages, but ther must be some mA) > > > > > In the "without signal at CON1" part are all other checkpoints > correct. > > > > > > > > > > Any idea which part could make the problem?? > > > > > C16 left side is 2,49V > > > > > C11 right side 3,21V > > > > > > > > > > Pullup resistor R10 has 100k and at the uper side 5,04V. > > > > > > > > > > C16 should block all DC, so there is not much left who could drain > the > > > Voltage down... > > > > > U1-U3 where named 74HC 04 on the page I orderd them. > > > > > The IC's self are labled: M74HC04B1 (added datasheets to mail) > > > > > > > > > > (Powersupply makes 12VA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jojo at matfyz.cz Sun Oct 3 09:01:27 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sun Oct 3 09:01:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazky Message-ID: <20041003080127.GA5162@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Ahojky, chcel by som rozbehat Ronja spoj na cca 900 metrov. Momentalny stav je planovanie. Mam ale par otazok. Niektore trosku Off Topic. o Aka je vyhoda Twistera pred Metropolis? Teda okrem toho, ze Twister je na RJ-45 a Metropolis na AUI. Pretoze ten Aui Forte, zda sa, je trosku lacnejsi. o Kolko to cele stoji? Ja viem, to bude asi FAQ. Nasiel som, ze jedna strana vyjde tak 1500 CZK. Zaujimalo by ma, aj ako je to v porovnani s wi-fi, ci to je lacnejsie alebo nie. o Je mozne pouzivat wake-on-lan cez Ronju? o OT: Aky je rozdiel medzi UTP kablami lanko a drat? Teda viem ze je rozdiel v tom, ze drat je jeden drot pre kazdy vodic a v lanku je kazdy vodic zlozeny z (mnozstva) mensich drotikov. Mna skor zaujima, ze ktory z nich mam instalovat na LANku a ak uz nejake UTP kable mam (patch), tak ako zistim, ze ktory to je. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sun Oct 3 09:05:56 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Sun Oct 3 09:06:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazky In-Reply-To: <20041003080127.GA5162@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20041003080127.GA5162@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:01:27 +0200, Marian Cerny wrote: > Ahojky, > > chcel by som rozbehat Ronja spoj na cca 900 metrov. Momentalny stav je > planovanie. Mam ale par otazok. Niektore trosku Off Topic. > > o Aka je vyhoda Twistera pred Metropolis? Teda okrem toho, ze Twister > je na RJ-45 a Metropolis na AUI. Pretoze ten Aui Forte, zda sa, je > trosku lacnejsi. Rozhodne si postav Twistera, AUI je zastarale, ale je opravdu levnejsi.. From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Oct 3 09:10:32 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Oct 3 09:10:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazky In-Reply-To: <20041003080127.GA5162@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20041003080127.GA5162@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1346947885.20041003101032@volny.cz> Ahoj, MC> Ahojky, MC> chcel by som rozbehat Ronja spoj na cca 900 metrov. Momentalny stav je MC> planovanie. Mam ale par otazok. Niektore trosku Off Topic. MC> o Aka je vyhoda Twistera pred Metropolis? Teda okrem toho, ze Twister MC> je na RJ-45 a Metropolis na AUI. Pretoze ten Aui Forte, zda sa, je MC> trosku lacnejsi. A to kdybys sehnal to uplne stare schema s 5ti broukama po 4Kc, to je teprve lowcost :-) Spousta lidi potrebovala TP kvuli switchum, novejm sitovkam a tak. Sehnat AUI do PCI je problem a prenosova rychlost ISA slotu je jen 4Mbit, takze se 6Mbit ztraci jen v karte, i kdyz by linkou by proslo. MC> o Kolko to cele stoji? Ja viem, to bude asi FAQ. Nasiel som, ze jedna MC> strana vyjde tak 1500 CZK. Zaujimalo by ma, aj ako je to v porovnani MC> s wi-fi, ci to je lacnejsie alebo nie. Pocitej tak 4kKc za vse sakum prdum (asi budes kupovat takovy veci jako vrtaky, stetce...). Vyhoda je ze to muzes kupovat pomalu, jak mas penize. U WiFi to musis vysolit vse najednou. MC> o Je mozne pouzivat wake-on-lan cez Ronju? Jako ze by jsi rozsvitil linku jen kdyz potrebujes? O tom nevim, to zatim asi nikdo nepotreboval, jestli to jde nevim. MC> o OT: Aky je rozdiel medzi UTP kablami lanko a drat? Teda viem ze je MC> rozdiel v tom, ze drat je jeden drot pre kazdy vodic a v lanku je MC> kazdy vodic zlozeny z (mnozstva) mensich drotikov. Mna skor zaujima, MC> ze ktory z nich mam instalovat na LANku a ak uz nejake UTP kable MC> mam (patch), tak ako zistim, ze ktory to je. Tohle nevim, rad se taky poucim. IMHO je lanko mechanicky odolnejsi, da se viekrat ohybat. OndraT From jojo at matfyz.cz Sun Oct 3 09:19:26 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sun Oct 3 09:19:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazky In-Reply-To: <1346947885.20041003101032@volny.cz> References: <20041003080127.GA5162@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <1346947885.20041003101032@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041003081926.GA7754@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > MC> o Kolko to cele stoji? Ja viem, to bude asi FAQ. Nasiel som, ze jedna > MC> strana vyjde tak 1500 CZK. Zaujimalo by ma, aj ako je to v porovnani > MC> s wi-fi, ci to je lacnejsie alebo nie. > > Pocitej tak 4kKc za vse sakum prdum (asi budes kupovat takovy veci > jako vrtaky, stetce...). Vyhoda je ze to muzes kupovat pomalu, jak mas > penize. U WiFi to musis vysolit vse najednou. 4000 CZK cely spoj alebo jedna strana? Asi cely spoj. Twister? Lebo len 2x PCB stoji 500 CZK, ked to spravne chapem. > MC> o Je mozne pouzivat wake-on-lan cez Ronju? > > Jako ze by jsi rozsvitil linku jen kdyz potrebujes? O tom nevim, to > zatim asi nikdo nepotreboval, jestli to jde nevim. Nie, tym som myslel, ze Ronja by bezala stale, ale pocitac na druhej strane by sa zapol cez wake-on-lan. To by malo fungovat nejako tak, ze ked sa posle pocitacu niekolko rovnakych paketov s cislom jeho MAC adresy, tak sa zobudi... -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Sun Oct 3 09:25:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Oct 3 09:26:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazky In-Reply-To: <20041003080127.GA5162@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20041003080127.GA5162@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20041003082558.GA529@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 10:01:27AM +0200, Marian Cerny wrote: > Ahojky, > > chcel by som rozbehat Ronja spoj na cca 900 metrov. Momentalny stav je > planovanie. Mam ale par otazok. Niektore trosku Off Topic. > > o Aka je vyhoda Twistera pred Metropolis? Teda okrem toho, ze Twister > je na RJ-45 a Metropolis na AUI. Pretoze ten Aui Forte, zda sa, je > trosku lacnejsi. > > o Kolko to cele stoji? Ja viem, to bude asi FAQ. Nasiel som, ze jedna > strana vyjde tak 1500 CZK. Zaujimalo by ma, aj ako je to v porovnani > s wi-fi, ci to je lacnejsie alebo nie. > > o Je mozne pouzivat wake-on-lan cez Ronju? Jo, je to paket jako kazdy jiny. > > o OT: Aky je rozdiel medzi UTP kablami lanko a drat? Teda viem ze je > rozdiel v tom, ze drat je jeden drot pre kazdy vodic a v lanku je > kazdy vodic zlozeny z (mnozstva) mensich drotikov. Mna skor zaujima, > ze ktory z nich mam instalovat na LANku a ak uz nejake UTP kable > mam (patch), tak ako zistim, ze ktory to je. draty se pouzivaji na fixni rozvody, lanka na patch kabely (aspon co ja vim). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Oct 3 09:28:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Oct 3 09:28:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazky In-Reply-To: <1346947885.20041003101032@volny.cz> References: <20041003080127.GA5162@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <1346947885.20041003101032@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041003082841.GB529@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 10:10:32AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj, > > MC> Ahojky, > > MC> chcel by som rozbehat Ronja spoj na cca 900 metrov. Momentalny stav je > MC> planovanie. Mam ale par otazok. Niektore trosku Off Topic. > > MC> o Aka je vyhoda Twistera pred Metropolis? Teda okrem toho, ze Twister > MC> je na RJ-45 a Metropolis na AUI. Pretoze ten Aui Forte, zda sa, je > MC> trosku lacnejsi. > > A to kdybys sehnal to uplne stare schema s 5ti broukama po 4Kc, to je > teprve lowcost :-) Spousta lidi potrebovala TP kvuli switchum, novejm lowcost, ale braindamaged :) > sitovkam a tak. Sehnat AUI do PCI je problem a prenosova rychlost ISA > slotu je jen 4Mbit, takze se 6Mbit ztraci jen v karte, i kdyz by Me to delalo 7.5Mbps na ISA. Ale nevim uz jestli half nebo full duplex. > linkou by proslo. > > MC> o Kolko to cele stoji? Ja viem, to bude asi FAQ. Nasiel som, ze jedna > MC> strana vyjde tak 1500 CZK. Zaujimalo by ma, aj ako je to v porovnani > MC> s wi-fi, ci to je lacnejsie alebo nie. > > Pocitej tak 4kKc za vse sakum prdum (asi budes kupovat takovy veci > jako vrtaky, stetce...). Vyhoda je ze to muzes kupovat pomalu, jak mas > penize. U WiFi to musis vysolit vse najednou. A vrtaky a stetce se daj pouzit i na jiny veci :) > > MC> o Je mozne pouzivat wake-on-lan cez Ronju? > > Jako ze by jsi rozsvitil linku jen kdyz potrebujes? O tom nevim, to > zatim asi nikdo nepotreboval, jestli to jde nevim. Na AUI by to mozna nechodilo - nevite nekdo jestli je na AUI +12V i kdyz je pocitac spici? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Oct 3 09:35:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Oct 3 09:35:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Umrtnost BF908 In-Reply-To: <001801c4a71b$d7614c10$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001801c4a71b$d7614c10$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20041003083515.GA567@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Nevite jak zabranit zniceni BF908 pri pajeni? Prvni jsem pajel trafopajkou, neprezil. Druhy jsem pajel mikropajkou a neprezil taky :( Teda poprve byl P104 asi 0.8V a podruhy asi 9V. Nevim jestli nebyl zniceny uz driv, protoze ty "experti" v mistnim obchode mi ho dali jen tak v pytliku:( Soldering sensitive semiconductors Do not overheat the semiconductors. If you can't get tin on the pin and would need too long time, relax and wait until the part cools and then continue. Or hold the pin with pliers between the end and the part, so that the pliers will suck off the heat spreading over the pin. Use a soldering iron with grounded tip. If you use those gun-style irons with a loop of thick wire, connect an aligator-clip to the loop and ground it. If not possible, at least do not touch the BF988/BF907 and 74HC* parts with the gun while switching it on and off. http://ronja.twibright.com/fundamentals.php Cl< > Neco jako reklamace v tomhle pripade asi neexistuje co? :) > btw kde je kupujete vy, v ceniku GM ani GESu jsem je nenasel :( Teda v GM maji BF988, je stejne dobry jako BF908 nebo horsi? > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Oct 3 14:30:06 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Oct 3 14:31:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazky Message-ID: <20041003133016Z1304707-26761+440285@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:28:41 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Otazky > > On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 10:10:32AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > MC> Ahojky, > > > > MC> chcel by som rozbehat Ronja spoj na cca 900 metrov. Momentalny stav je > > MC> planovanie. Mam ale par otazok. Niektore trosku Off Topic. > > > > MC> o Aka je vyhoda Twistera pred Metropolis? Teda okrem toho, ze Twister > > MC> je na RJ-45 a Metropolis na AUI. Pretoze ten Aui Forte, zda sa, je > > MC> trosku lacnejsi. > > > > A to kdybys sehnal to uplne stare schema s 5ti broukama po 4Kc, to je > > teprve lowcost :-) Spousta lidi potrebovala TP kvuli switchum, novejm > > lowcost, ale braindamaged :) > > > sitovkam a tak. Sehnat AUI do PCI je problem a prenosova rychlost ISA > > slotu je jen 4Mbit, takze se 6Mbit ztraci jen v karte, i kdyz by > > Me to delalo 7.5Mbps na ISA. Ale nevim uz jestli half nebo full duplex. > > > linkou by proslo. > > > > MC> o Kolko to cele stoji? Ja viem, to bude asi FAQ. Nasiel som, ze jedna > > MC> strana vyjde tak 1500 CZK. Zaujimalo by ma, aj ako je to v porovnani > > MC> s wi-fi, ci to je lacnejsie alebo nie. > > > > Pocitej tak 4kKc za vse sakum prdum (asi budes kupovat takovy veci > > jako vrtaky, stetce...). Vyhoda je ze to muzes kupovat pomalu, jak mas > > penize. U WiFi to musis vysolit vse najednou. > > A vrtaky a stetce se daj pouzit i na jiny veci :) to je fakt. ale takovych kravin se uzbira strasne moc.. "to mate: stetce, vrtaky, cin, srouby, matky, podlozky, vicka.." clovek to dycky spocita ze ele 1000Kc, mechanika...500.. oboje o 100 prekroci + ty stetce a tak...a vyleze z toho castka o moc prevysujici predpoklady... navic hodne veci stoji prachy, a vyuzijes toho jenom trochu...napr silikon... > > > > > MC> o Je mozne pouzivat wake-on-lan cez Ronju? > > > > Jako ze by jsi rozsvitil linku jen kdyz potrebujes? O tom nevim, to > > zatim asi nikdo nepotreboval, jestli to jde nevim. > > Na AUI by to mozna nechodilo - nevite nekdo jestli je na AUI +12V i kdyz > je pocitac spici? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- P?edpla?te si T?DEN, z?sk?te CD a 19 v?tisk? zdarma! http://www.tyden.cz/predplatne/promo.html From Shamanu8 at web.de Sun Oct 3 17:58:54 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sun Oct 3 18:03:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) References: <20041002143602.GB3293@beton.cybernet.src><000701c4a89b$3b7afe50$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20041002183436.GA4947@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000f01c4a96a$44eae9d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Added the pictures. I was searching today for about 5 houres, so the prints are a little bit durty... T2 is running on the picture. (on T1 - U3 is removed) I think the 74HC04 i use is wrong.? If i remove every IC's i get 5,04V at P6. (as it should be) I can place 1 IC in one of the 3 sockets, no matter where P6 dropes to 3,xx Volt. (the Led is always glowing, when i have placed even only 1 IC) So, when i have connected something wrong, it should be on every 3 Sockets and on both Prints wrong.(?) Maybee i have overseen something simple? How much should i have on C16 - left side, without a signal on CON1? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > Can you make a photo of the airwire and post it somewhere? > > Cl< > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > its airwire. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:25:02AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > All tests without signal. > > > > Without a signal the HPWT Led's are always glowing.(!) > > > > > > Are you using airwire or PCB? > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:05 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:32:20PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > > It looks like my Twister's are now working correctly. (with the new > > > > IC's) > > > > > > > > > > > > But i got a problem with the 2 transmitters. > > > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > > > > > > > > > > > All datas are without signal at CON1 (and DC): > > > > > > > > > > Are you testing with signal or without? > > > > > > > > > > > P6: transmitter1 3,07V > > > > > > P6: transmitter2 3,08V > > > > > > They should have 4,6V...5,2V. > > > > > > P7: t1 1,5V > > > > > > P7: t2 1,8V (HPWT Led's are always glowing) > > > > > > (checked only voltages, but ther must be some mA) > > > > > > In the "without signal at CON1" part are all other checkpoints > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any idea which part could make the problem?? > > > > > > C16 left side is 2,49V > > > > > > C11 right side 3,21V > > > > > > > > > > > > Pullup resistor R10 has 100k and at the uper side 5,04V. > > > > > > > > > > > > C16 should block all DC, so there is not much left who could drain > > the > > > > Voltage down... > > > > > > U1-U3 where named 74HC 04 on the page I orderd them. > > > > > > The IC's self are labled: M74HC04B1 (added datasheets to mail) > > > > > > > > > > > > (Powersupply makes 12VA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know any jp2 format. The mime is octet/stream that doesn't say anything. Cl< > I was searching today for about 5 houres, so the prints are a little bit > durty... > T2 is running on the picture. (on T1 - U3 is removed) > I think the 74HC04 i use is wrong.? > If i remove every IC's i get 5,04V at P6. (as it should be) > I can place 1 IC in one of the 3 sockets, no matter where P6 dropes to 3,xx > Volt. > (the Led is always glowing, when i have placed even only 1 IC) > So, when i have connected something wrong, it should be on every 3 Sockets > and on both Prints wrong.(?) > Maybee i have overseen something simple? > > How much should i have on C16 - left side, without a signal on CON1? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > Can you make a photo of the airwire and post it somewhere? > > > > Cl< > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > its airwire. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:36 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:25:02AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > All tests without signal. > > > > > Without a signal the HPWT Led's are always glowing.(!) > > > > > > > > Are you using airwire or PCB? > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:05 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:32:20PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > > > It looks like my Twister's are now working correctly. (with the > new > > > > > IC's) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But i got a problem with the 2 transmitters. > > > > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All datas are without signal at CON1 (and DC): > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you testing with signal or without? > > > > > > > > > > > > > P6: transmitter1 3,07V > > > > > > > P6: transmitter2 3,08V > > > > > > > They should have 4,6V...5,2V. > > > > > > > P7: t1 1,5V > > > > > > > P7: t2 1,8V (HPWT Led's are always glowing) > > > > > > > (checked only voltages, but ther must be some mA) > > > > > > > In the "without signal at CON1" part are all other checkpoints > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any idea which part could make the problem?? > > > > > > > C16 left side is 2,49V > > > > > > > C11 right side 3,21V > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pullup resistor R10 has 100k and at the uper side 5,04V. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C16 should block all DC, so there is not much left who could > drain > > > the > > > > > Voltage down... > > > > > > > U1-U3 where named 74HC 04 on the page I orderd them. > > > > > > > The IC's self are labled: M74HC04B1 (added datasheets to mail) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Powersupply makes 12VA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From flash-x at seznam.cz Sun Oct 3 23:16:00 2004 From: flash-x at seznam.cz (Flashx) Date: Sun Oct 3 23:16:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tisteny spoj Twister Message-ID: <41607A20.3020203@seznam.cz> Chci se zeptat kde sezenu prokoveny tistak na twistere Dik Flash From czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz Mon Oct 4 11:01:20 2004 From: czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz (CZFreeCB - Doubravice) Date: Mon Oct 4 11:01:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - funkce svetel. LED ? Message-ID: <138237766703.20041004120120@paleo.cz> Ahoj. Mam par dotazu k chovani LED na twisterovi v zavislosti na rychlosti sitovek. Pokud jsme do twisteru pustili auto-detekci 10/100, pomalu blikala cervena a na druhe strane zelena (tedy svetlo se prenaselo) Kdyz jsme zapojili natvrdo 100 Mbps full, svitily vsechny LED A pri pohledu pres CCD na TX LED svitily... Ovsem pri 10 Mbps full, LEHUNCE a slabe poblikavaly cervene na twisterech, ale zadne data neprochazely :( I pri pohledu pres CCD na TX LED nesvitily... nemely by cervene LED svitit i pri 10 Mbps fullduplex pripadne alespon TX LED?? PS: UTP kabely mame kadzy 1 metr.. Diky ! S?ti zdar! --- Radovan Moser (pupik) http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) ICQ-ID: 15521245 From Shamanu8 at web.de Mon Oct 4 12:05:46 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Mon Oct 4 12:06:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) References: <20041002183436.GA4947@beton.cybernet.src><000f01c4a96a$44eae9d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20041003194044.GC2380@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001c01c4aa02$1fcfdff0$0500a8c0@AIG1> oh, sorry, its jpeg2000. on windows you can open it easy with irfanview + plugin (both on http://www.irfanview.com/ avilable) i think you can get also for gimp a plugin. (but maybee it's not for free) are you using gimp 4 linux / windows? if you like, i can send it also in normal jpeg, but it would be bigger... i can send it direct to your account. What's the maximum MB's 4 your e'mail addy? :) chose your way. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 06:58:54PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > Added the pictures. > > I am unable to decode the pictures. Tried to load them with gimp and it > says it's unknown format. I don't know any jp2 format. The mime is octet/stream > that doesn't say anything. > > Cl< > > I was searching today for about 5 houres, so the prints are a little bit > > durty... > > T2 is running on the picture. (on T1 - U3 is removed) > > I think the 74HC04 i use is wrong.? > > If i remove every IC's i get 5,04V at P6. (as it should be) > > I can place 1 IC in one of the 3 sockets, no matter where P6 dropes to 3,xx > > Volt. > > (the Led is always glowing, when i have placed even only 1 IC) > > So, when i have connected something wrong, it should be on every 3 Sockets > > and on both Prints wrong.(?) > > Maybee i have overseen something simple? > > > > How much should i have on C16 - left side, without a signal on CON1? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > Can you make a photo of the airwire and post it somewhere? > > > > > > Cl< > > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > its airwire. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:36 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:25:02AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > > All tests without signal. > > > > > > Without a signal the HPWT Led's are always glowing.(!) > > > > > > > > > > Are you using airwire or PCB? > > > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:05 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:32:20PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > > > > It looks like my Twister's are now working correctly. (with the > > new > > > > > > IC's) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But i got a problem with the 2 transmitters. > > > > > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All datas are without signal at CON1 (and DC): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you testing with signal or without? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P6: transmitter1 3,07V > > > > > > > > P6: transmitter2 3,08V > > > > > > > > They should have 4,6V...5,2V. > > > > > > > > P7: t1 1,5V > > > > > > > > P7: t2 1,8V (HPWT Led's are always glowing) > > > > > > > > (checked only voltages, but ther must be some mA) > > > > > > > > In the "without signal at CON1" part are all other checkpoints > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any idea which part could make the problem?? > > > > > > > > C16 left side is 2,49V > > > > > > > > C11 right side 3,21V > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pullup resistor R10 has 100k and at the uper side 5,04V. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C16 should block all DC, so there is not much left who could > > drain > > > > the > > > > > > Voltage down... > > > > > > > > U1-U3 where named 74HC 04 on the page I orderd them. > > > > > > > > The IC's self are labled: M74HC04B1 (added datasheets to mail) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Powersupply makes 12VA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 4 13:16:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Oct 4 13:16:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - funkce svetel. LED ? In-Reply-To: <138237766703.20041004120120@paleo.cz> References: <138237766703.20041004120120@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <20041004121633.GC669@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 12:01:20PM +0200, CZFreeCB - Doubravice wrote: > Ahoj. > > Mam par dotazu k chovani LED na twisterovi > v zavislosti na rychlosti sitovek. > > Pokud jsme do twisteru pustili auto-detekci 10/100, > pomalu blikala cervena a na druhe strane zelena > (tedy svetlo se prenaselo) > > Kdyz jsme zapojili natvrdo 100 Mbps full, svitily vsechny LED > A pri pohledu pres CCD na TX LED svitily... > > Ovsem pri 10 Mbps full, LEHUNCE a slabe poblikavaly cervene na twisterech, > ale zadne data neprochazely :( > I pri pohledu pres CCD na TX LED nesvitily... > > nemely by cervene LED svitit i pri 10 Mbps fullduplex > pripadne alespon TX LED?? Cervena LED kontrolka sviti kdyz se vysilaji data, resp. cokoliv co nevypada ani jako mezera, ani jako link integrity impuls. Proc koukate pres CCD na TX LED a ne normalne okem? Cl< > > PS: UTP kabely mame kadzy 1 metr.. > > Diky ! > > S?ti zdar! > --- > Radovan Moser (pupik) > http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) > ICQ-ID: 15521245 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 4 13:43:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Oct 4 13:43:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001c01c4aa02$1fcfdff0$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <20041003194044.GC2380@beton.cybernet.src> <001c01c4aa02$1fcfdff0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20041004124335.GD669@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 01:05:46PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > oh, sorry, its jpeg2000. > on windows you can open it easy with irfanview + plugin (both on > http://www.irfanview.com/ avilable) > i think you can get also for gimp a plugin. (but maybee it's not for free) > are you using gimp 4 linux / windows? I don't have Windows. Can you point to a freely downloadable spec of the format? Something like http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2083.html for PNG? We were teasing the idea about adding JPEG2000 into Links, but at the time we were deciding, it looked like no library exists, or that such a library is written in Java, which is incompatible with Links (Links is in C). I don't remember exactly anymore. My GIMP is 1.2.5. IIRC I tried to install GIMP 2, but it failed to compile even when I strictly adhered to their README. I found some two libraries forjpeg2000 on freshmeat - Jasper whose homepage doesn't reply, and libjp2k, which on attempt to download says: "/var/cvs not found! The server on which the CVS tree lives is probably down. Please try again in a few minutes." gimp 4 doesn't exist. Latest version is 2.1. "I call you all to boycott the JPEG2000 and MPEG-4 standards. These standards are plagued by patents, which disallow their free use." http://www.advogato.org/article/327.html I am not sure that it's a good idea to compress into jpeg2000 at all. Send it in jpeg. I don't care about e-mail size up to some say 100MB. Cl< > > if you like, i can send it also in normal jpeg, but it would be bigger... > i can send it direct to your account. What's the maximum MB's 4 your e'mail > addy? :) > > chose your way. :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 06:58:54PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > Added the pictures. > > > > I am unable to decode the pictures. Tried to load them with gimp and it > > says it's unknown format. I don't know any jp2 format. The mime is > octet/stream > > that doesn't say anything. > > > > Cl< > > > I was searching today for about 5 houres, so the prints are a little bit > > > durty... > > > T2 is running on the picture. (on T1 - U3 is removed) > > > I think the 74HC04 i use is wrong.? > > > If i remove every IC's i get 5,04V at P6. (as it should be) > > > I can place 1 IC in one of the 3 sockets, no matter where P6 dropes to > 3,xx > > > Volt. > > > (the Led is always glowing, when i have placed even only 1 IC) > > > So, when i have connected something wrong, it should be on every 3 > Sockets > > > and on both Prints wrong.(?) > > > Maybee i have overseen something simple? > > > > > > How much should i have on C16 - left side, without a signal on CON1? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > Can you make a photo of the airwire and post it somewhere? > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > its airwire. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:36 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:25:02AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > > > All tests without signal. > > > > > > > Without a signal the HPWT Led's are always glowing.(!) > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you using airwire or PCB? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:05 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:32:20PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > > > > > It looks like my Twister's are now working correctly. (with > the > > > new > > > > > > > IC's) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But i got a problem with the 2 transmitters. > > > > > > > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All datas are without signal at CON1 (and DC): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you testing with signal or without? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P6: transmitter1 3,07V > > > > > > > > > P6: transmitter2 3,08V > > > > > > > > > They should have 4,6V...5,2V. > > > > > > > > > P7: t1 1,5V > > > > > > > > > P7: t2 1,8V (HPWT Led's are always glowing) > > > > > > > > > (checked only voltages, but ther must be some mA) > > > > > > > > > In the "without signal at CON1" part are all other > checkpoints > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any idea which part could make the problem?? > > > > > > > > > C16 left side is 2,49V > > > > > > > > > C11 right side 3,21V > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pullup resistor R10 has 100k and at the uper side 5,04V. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C16 should block all DC, so there is not much left who could > > > drain > > > > > the > > > > > > > Voltage down... > > > > > > > > > U1-U3 where named 74HC 04 on the page I orderd them. > > > > > > > > > The IC's self are labled: M74HC04B1 (added datasheets to > mail) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Powersupply makes 12VA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 4 13:53:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Oct 4 13:53:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - funkce svetel. LED ? In-Reply-To: <166328671.20041004142421@paleo.cz> References: <138237766703.20041004120120@paleo.cz> <20041004121633.GC669@beton.cybernet.src> <166328671.20041004142421@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <20041004125333.GG669@beton.cybernet.src> > >> Ovsem pri 10 Mbps full, LEHUNCE a slabe poblikavaly cervene na twisterech, > >> ale zadne data neprochazely :( > >> I pri pohledu pres CCD na TX LED nesvitily... > >> > >> nemely by cervene LED svitit i pri 10 Mbps fullduplex > >> pripadne alespon TX LED?? > --- > > KK> Proc koukate pres CCD na TX LED a ne normalne okem? > --- > > Jelikoz jsme pouzili Infra TX/RX Ledky: > HSDL-4230 a SFH2030F Aha tak to muze nefungovat i kvuli tomu. Zkuste to se spravnyma co jsou napsane v navodu, jestli to pojede. Jestli mate zajem o infra spoj, k vydani je pripravena infracervena Ronja Inferno s infra vysilacem Nebulus. Viz informace na http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php#ready Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 4 13:55:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Oct 4 13:55:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tisteny spoj Twister In-Reply-To: <41607A20.3020203@seznam.cz> References: <41607A20.3020203@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20041004125507.GI669@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 12:16:00AM +0200, Flashx wrote: > Chci se zeptat kde sezenu prokoveny tistak na twistere Na titulni strance ronji odkaz "where to get necessary parts". Cl< > > Dik Flash > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Mon Oct 4 14:18:41 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Mon Oct 4 14:23:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20041004124335.GD669@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041003194044.GC2380@beton.cybernet.src> <001c01c4aa02$1fcfdff0$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20041004124335.GD669@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41614DB1.7090504@host.sk> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 01:05:46PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > >>oh, sorry, its jpeg2000. >>on windows you can open it easy with irfanview + plugin (both on >>http://www.irfanview.com/ avilable) >>i think you can get also for gimp a plugin. (but maybee it's not for free) >>are you using gimp 4 linux / windows? >> >> > >I don't have Windows. > >Can you point to a freely downloadable spec of the format? Something like >http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2083.html for PNG? > >We were teasing the idea about adding JPEG2000 into Links, but at the time >we were deciding, it looked like no library exists, or that such a library >is written in Java, which is incompatible with Links (Links is in C). I don't >remember exactly anymore. > >My GIMP is 1.2.5. IIRC I tried to install GIMP 2, but it failed to compile even >when I strictly adhered to their README. > >I found some two libraries forjpeg2000 on freshmeat - Jasper whose homepage >doesn't reply, and libjp2k, which on attempt to download says: "/var/cvs not >found! The server on which the CVS tree lives is probably down. Please try >again in a few minutes." > >gimp 4 doesn't exist. Latest version is 2.1. > > i guess he wanted to say 4 like "for", not four :) re you using gimp 4 linux / windo => are you using gimp _for_ linux/win m.h. >"I call you all to boycott the JPEG2000 and MPEG-4 standards. These standards >are plagued by patents, which disallow their free use." >http://www.advogato.org/article/327.html > >I am not sure that it's a good idea to compress into jpeg2000 at all. > >Send it in jpeg. I don't care about e-mail size up to some say 100MB. > >Cl< > > > From korda.m at seznam.cz Mon Oct 4 14:52:48 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Mon Oct 4 14:51:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jakou NIC? Message-ID: <002801c4aa19$6ec95890$02086b0a@atintel> Hodlam kupovat dve sitovky pro Ronju, jedna pobezi pod linuxem, druha pod winXP. Jake sitovky mi muzete doporucit nebo spis jakych se mam vyvarovat? :) ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041004/9f7a0684/attachment.htm From Shamanu8 at web.de Mon Oct 4 16:14:53 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Mon Oct 4 16:15:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) References: <20041003194044.GC2380@beton.cybernet.src> <001c01c4aa02$1fcfdff0$0500a8c0@AIG1><20041004124335.GD669@beton.cybernet.src> <41614DB1.7090504@host.sk> Message-ID: <00a401c4aa24$eac1f1e0$0500a8c0@AIG1> >i guess he wanted to say >4 like "for", not four :) >re you using gimp 4 linux / windo => are you using gimp _for_ linux/win correct. :) From korda.m at seznam.cz Mon Oct 4 16:35:40 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Mon Oct 4 16:34:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Umrtnost BF908 References: <001801c4a71b$d7614c10$02086b0a@atintel> <1915807097.20040930221153@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002e01c4aa27$ce4d5ec0$02086b0a@atintel> Tak P104 se mi doladit povedl, ale P103 je misto pozadovanych 0-1mV 90mV(pred lazenim P104 byl 120mV). Myslite, ze teda opravdu odesel ten FET? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Umrtnost BF908 Svoje prvni Ronjy jsem stavel s BF960. Ted stavim s BF988 (dneska je v GM Praha meli). Obcas mi ho prodavac nasype jen tak do pytliku, obcas zabali do alobalu. Kdyz jsem stavel hnizda, pajel jsem je trafopajkou (bez uzemeneho hrotu) SMD desky osazuju mikropajkou. Za celou dobu jsem neoddelal ani jeden!!!! Muj nazor je, ze kdyz jste tam mel tech 9V, tak to fungovalo a vymenou toho R104 by jste dosahl pozadovanych mezi. Reklamace myslim uznavaj, ale ten obvod nesmi byt pajen a ani jinak mit poskozene vyvody. OndraT MK> Nevite jak zabranit zniceni BF908 pri pajeni? Prvni jsem MK> pajel trafopajkou, neprezil. Druhy jsem pajel mikropajkou a MK> neprezil taky :( Teda poprve byl P104 asi 0.8V a podruhy asi 9V. MK> Nevim jestli nebyl zniceny uz driv, protoze ty "experti" v mistnim MK> obchode mi ho dali jen tak v pytliku:( MK> Neco jako reklamace v tomhle pripade asi neexistuje co? :) MK> btw kde je kupujete vy, v ceniku GM ani GESu jsem je nenasel MK> :( Teda v GM maji BF988, je stejne dobry jako BF908 nebo horsi? _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Oct 4 18:44:36 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Oct 4 18:45:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jakou NIC? References: <002801c4aa19$6ec95890$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <003201c4aa39$d3c1ae80$0103450a@thechosen> RTL8139D Glo ----- Hodlam kupovat dve sitovky pro Ronju, jedna pobezi pod linuxem, druha pod winXP. Jake sitovky mi muzete doporucit nebo spis jakych se mam vyvarovat? :) _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From steebe at seznam.cz Mon Oct 4 18:50:03 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Mon Oct 4 18:50:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jakou NIC? References: <002801c4aa19$6ec95890$02086b0a@atintel> <003201c4aa39$d3c1ae80$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <000e01c4aa3a$9b4916a0$0581000a@steebe> Vyvarovat nebo doporucit ? :)) Nekdy i to malo je malo ... :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Mal??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jakou NIC? > RTL8139D > > > Glo > ----- > > > Hodlam kupovat dve sitovky pro Ronju, jedna pobezi pod linuxem, druha pod > winXP. Jake sitovky mi muzete doporucit nebo spis jakych se mam vyvarovat? > :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Oct 4 18:57:35 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Oct 4 18:58:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja backup In-Reply-To: References: <200410011108.NAA07812@raven.upol.cz> Message-ID: <41618F0F.8080104@sattnet.cz> Zdravim. Resim ted otazku jak zalohovat Ronju pri vypadcich, mohl by mi nekdo poradit JAK a cim? Diky -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Oct 4 19:01:22 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Oct 4 19:01:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jakou NIC? In-Reply-To: <000e01c4aa3a$9b4916a0$0581000a@steebe> References: <002801c4aa19$6ec95890$02086b0a@atintel> <003201c4aa39$d3c1ae80$0103450a@thechosen> <000e01c4aa3a$9b4916a0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <41618FF2.7000407@sattnet.cz> Steebe napsal(a): >Vyvarovat nebo doporucit ? :)) >Nekdy i to malo je malo ... :-( > > > Realtek 8139(d) funguje naprosto bezproblemove. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michal Mal??ek" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:44 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jakou NIC? > > > > >>RTL8139D >> >> >>Glo >>----- >> >> >>Hodlam kupovat dve sitovky pro Ronju, jedna pobezi pod linuxem, druha pod >>winXP. Jake sitovky mi muzete doporucit nebo spis jakych se mam vyvarovat? >>:) >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From jojo at matfyz.cz Mon Oct 4 19:25:49 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Mon Oct 4 19:30:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jakou NIC? In-Reply-To: <002801c4aa19$6ec95890$02086b0a@atintel> References: <002801c4aa19$6ec95890$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20041004182549.GA19846@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Hodlam kupovat dve sitovky pro Ronju, jedna pobezi pod linuxem, druha > pod winXP. Jake sitovky mi muzete doporucit nebo spis jakych se mam > vyvarovat? :) Pokial viem, tak obecne vsetky sietovky od Intelu a 3Com su kvalitne. Ak ta siet bude bezat na 10M, tak si myslim, ze velke problemy (s napr. dosiahnutim max. rychlosti) mat nebudete. Pri 100M rychlosti sieti je na vecsie zataze (hlavne pre servery) rozumne kupit kvalitnejsie sietovky. Myslim, ze maju vecsie buffre. Neviem presne. Na FreeBSD je napriklad pre niektore sietovky pristupny Device polling, co je taka technika, ze sa so sietovkou nekomunikuje cez prerusenia, ale sa pravidelne v nejakych intervaloch vyzdvihnu vsetky data zo sietovky. Zatazuje to ovela menej procesor a da sa s tym dosiahnut vyssia rychlost. FreeBSD podporuje Device polling na tychto driveroch (ja si to vysvetlujem tak, ze sietovice pouzivajuce tieto drivery su dobre/kvalitne): dc -- DEC/Intel 21143 and clone 10/100 ethernet driver em -- Intel(R) PRO/1000 gigabit Ethernet driver for the FreeBSD operating system fxp -- Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B ethernet device driver rl -- RealTek 8129/8139 Fast Ethernet device driver sis -- SiS 900, SiS 7016 and NS DP83815 Fast Ethernet device driver Len poznamocka na zaver: do problematiky sa vobec nevyznam. Osobne mam asi 4 sietovky od 3Com (905B a 905C, myslim), 1 od Intelu a v notebookoch mam RealTek 8139C+ 10/100BaseTX. So siadnou som nikdy nemal problemy. Ale na druhu stranu som od nich nikdy viac nechcel, ako prehrat par suborov :-). -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 4 21:09:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Oct 4 21:09:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Umrtnost BF908 In-Reply-To: <002e01c4aa27$ce4d5ec0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001801c4a71b$d7614c10$02086b0a@atintel> <1915807097.20040930221153@volny.cz> <002e01c4aa27$ce4d5ec0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20041004200907.GC1461@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 05:35:40PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Tak P104 se mi doladit povedl, ale P103 je misto pozadovanych 0-1mV > 90mV(pred lazenim P104 byl 120mV). Myslite, ze teda opravdu odesel ten FET? Jo. Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ondrej Tesar" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Umrtnost BF908 > > > Svoje prvni Ronjy jsem stavel s BF960. > Ted stavim s BF988 (dneska je v GM Praha meli). Obcas mi ho prodavac > nasype jen tak do pytliku, obcas zabali do alobalu. > Kdyz jsem stavel hnizda, pajel jsem je trafopajkou (bez uzemeneho > hrotu) SMD desky osazuju mikropajkou. > Za celou dobu jsem neoddelal ani jeden!!!! > > Muj nazor je, ze kdyz jste tam mel tech 9V, tak to fungovalo a vymenou > toho R104 by jste dosahl pozadovanych mezi. > > Reklamace myslim uznavaj, ale ten obvod nesmi byt pajen a ani jinak > mit poskozene vyvody. > > OndraT > > MK> Nevite jak zabranit zniceni BF908 pri pajeni? Prvni jsem > MK> pajel trafopajkou, neprezil. Druhy jsem pajel mikropajkou a > MK> neprezil taky :( Teda poprve byl P104 asi 0.8V a podruhy asi 9V. > MK> Nevim jestli nebyl zniceny uz driv, protoze ty "experti" v mistnim > MK> obchode mi ho dali jen tak v pytliku:( > MK> Neco jako reklamace v tomhle pripade asi neexistuje co? :) > MK> btw kde je kupujete vy, v ceniku GM ani GESu jsem je nenasel > MK> :( Teda v GM maji BF988, je stejne dobry jako BF908 nebo horsi? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kuna at alphanet.sk Tue Oct 5 10:19:24 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Tue Oct 5 09:29:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] zaloha na ronju Message-ID: <002e01c4aabc$6876b480$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> za posledny mesiac som mal neustale problem ronjou preto,lebo posledny mesiac na orave su neustale hmly kazde rano som mal vypadok min 2 az 3 hodiny.tento problem som jednoducho vyriesil zalohou na 2.4gh a to tak ze,som spojil na jednej strane ronju a 2.4gh do svicu na druhej strane som urobil to iste .z ronjie rssi som napojil na oz ktory automaticky zopne radia na zaklade poklesu rssi na ronji .na oz vstupnu sa da nadstavit citlivost od 0 mv az po 200-300mv.bezi mi to uz 5 dni bez vypadkov aj v hmle. ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041005/9f56e6fc/attachment.htm From czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz Tue Oct 5 09:46:12 2004 From: czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz (pupik) Date: Tue Oct 5 09:46:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] zaloha na ronju In-Reply-To: <002e01c4aabc$6876b480$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> References: <002e01c4aabc$6876b480$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <3873641125.20041005104612@paleo.cz> Dobr? den. Na co ze si to zapojil? (co to je "oz") Muzes prosim schema zapojeni vic popsat? Diky. --- m> z ronjie rssi som napojil na oz ktory automaticky zopne radia m> na zaklade poklesu rssi na ronji. m> na oz vstupnu sa da nadstavit citlivost od 0 mv az po m> 200-300mv. S?ti zdar! --- Radovan Moser (pupik) http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) ICQ-ID: 15521245 From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Tue Oct 5 09:49:28 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Tue Oct 5 09:49:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] zaloha na ronju Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48AAB7@vestex01.vest.corp> Tipuju operacni zesilovac... -- Kosac > > Dobr? den. > > Na co ze si to zapojil? (co to je "oz") > Muzes prosim schema zapojeni vic popsat? > Diky. > --- > > m> z ronjie rssi som napojil na oz ktory automaticky zopne radia > m> na zaklade poklesu rssi na ronji. > m> na oz vstupnu sa da nadstavit citlivost od 0 mv az po > m> 200-300mv. > > S?ti zdar! > --- > Radovan Moser (pupik) > http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) > ICQ-ID: 15521245 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Oct 5 14:56:24 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Oct 5 14:54:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] zaloha na ronju In-Reply-To: <002e01c4aabc$6876b480$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <4162C428.28858.9475C@localhost> Nezjistoval jsi jak dlouho trva vypadek, nez se prepnou obe strany na wifi? Ja jsem dal prepinani jen na jednu stranu spoje, tam je Dlink700AP se smerovou antenou v rezimu klient a takhle (s komparatorem na rssi) se prepina s ronjou proti switchi. Na druhe strane je Linsys WRT54G jako AP se vsesmerovou antenou + jsou na nem povoleny adresy sitovych karet na protistrane + obsluhuje stavajici wifi klienty. On 5 Oct 2004 at 11:19, miro wrote: > > za posledny mesiac som mal neustale problem ronjou preto,lebo posledny mesiac na orave su > neustale hmly kazde rano som mal vypadok min 2 az 3 hodiny.tento problem som jednoducho > vyriesil zalohou na 2.4gh a to tak ze,som spojil na jednej strane ronju a 2.4gh do svicu na druhej > strane som urobil to iste .z ronjie rssi som napojil na oz ktory > automaticky zopne radia na zaklade poklesu rssi na ronji .na oz vstupnu sa da nadstavit citlivost od > 0 mv az po > 200-300mv.bezi mi to uz 5 dni bez vypadkov aj v hmle. > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Oct 5 15:41:21 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Tue Oct 5 15:41:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] zaloha na ronju In-Reply-To: <002e01c4aabc$6876b480$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> References: <002e01c4aabc$6876b480$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <4162B291.3010309@sattnet.cz> To je sice fajn, ale pravdepodobne ti to jede jen halfduplex..? miro napsal(a): > za posledny mesiac som mal neustale problem ronjou preto,lebo posledny > mesiac na orave su neustale hmly kazde rano som mal vypadok min 2 az 3 > hodiny.tento problem som jednoducho vyriesil zalohou na 2.4gh a to tak > ze,som spojil na jednej strane ronju a 2.4gh do svicu na druhej strane > som urobil to iste .z ronjie rssi som napojil na oz ktory > automaticky zopne radia na zaklade poklesu rssi na ronji .na oz > vstupnu sa da nadstavit citlivost od 0 mv az po > 200-300mv.bezi mi to uz 5 dni bez vypadkov aj v hmle. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From Shamanu8 at web.de Tue Oct 5 20:21:49 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Tue Oct 5 20:22:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) References: <20041003194044.GC2380@beton.cybernet.src><001c01c4aa02$1fcfdff0$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20041004124335.GD669@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c4ab10$936bf9d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > I am not sure that it's a good idea to compress into jpeg2000 at all. > > Send it in jpeg. I don't care about e-mail size up to some say 100MB. > > Cl< > Did you get my email with the new coded pictures? Have you found something in the pictures? I got today the new 74HC04, and the problem is still there... :( I cleared 1 IC from the normal connections. Left only: P7-GND P14-5V and 1x100nF Condensator direct on P14. If i connect then Pin3 direct with 5V it works normal. But if i connect Pin3 over 100k to 5V it dropes to 3,0x V. How can this be, if Pin4 isen't connected???? When i messed, i got sometimes a sound from the PC Box how is connected to the same AC-line. Is this "normal"? From Shamanu8 at web.de Tue Oct 5 21:10:38 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Tue Oct 5 21:10:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) References: <20041003194044.GC2380@beton.cybernet.src><001c01c4aa02$1fcfdff0$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20041004124335.GD669@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001301c4ab17$6413e740$0500a8c0@AIG1> In the last mail i tried to mess 1 74HC04 without any "interferences" from other parts. But C16 was still connected with R10, because i thougth he shouldn't "make anything". Now my 2 Metropolis Transmitter work on this way: (all DC without a signal over CON1) C16 NOT connected. R10, U1-3,R11,LED1 connected: i get on P6 5,04V -> This is OK. C16 connected. R10, U1-3,R11,LED1 connected: P6: 2,94-3,1 V -> should be + >1,6V C16 connected. R10, U1-3,R11,LED1 NOT connected: P6 5,04 V. -> This is OK. This means over C16 are ~2V drained, by the left part of the system???? (in DC area!!??? if the 74HC04 are too connected???) Can anyone explain this to me please? hmm, if this goes longer like this i might get nightmares from the ronja transmitters. ;) marcel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 01:05:46PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > oh, sorry, its jpeg2000. > > on windows you can open it easy with irfanview + plugin (both on > > http://www.irfanview.com/ avilable) > > i think you can get also for gimp a plugin. (but maybee it's not for free) > > are you using gimp 4 linux / windows? > > I don't have Windows. > > Can you point to a freely downloadable spec of the format? Something like > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2083.html for PNG? > > We were teasing the idea about adding JPEG2000 into Links, but at the time > we were deciding, it looked like no library exists, or that such a library > is written in Java, which is incompatible with Links (Links is in C). I don't > remember exactly anymore. > > My GIMP is 1.2.5. IIRC I tried to install GIMP 2, but it failed to compile even > when I strictly adhered to their README. > > I found some two libraries forjpeg2000 on freshmeat - Jasper whose homepage > doesn't reply, and libjp2k, which on attempt to download says: "/var/cvs not > found! The server on which the CVS tree lives is probably down. Please try > again in a few minutes." > > gimp 4 doesn't exist. Latest version is 2.1. > > "I call you all to boycott the JPEG2000 and MPEG-4 standards. These standards > are plagued by patents, which disallow their free use." > http://www.advogato.org/article/327.html > > I am not sure that it's a good idea to compress into jpeg2000 at all. > > Send it in jpeg. I don't care about e-mail size up to some say 100MB. > > Cl< > > > > > if you like, i can send it also in normal jpeg, but it would be bigger... > > i can send it direct to your account. What's the maximum MB's 4 your e'mail > > addy? :) > > > > chose your way. :) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 9:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 06:58:54PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > Added the pictures. > > > > > > I am unable to decode the pictures. Tried to load them with gimp and it > > > says it's unknown format. I don't know any jp2 format. The mime is > > octet/stream > > > that doesn't say anything. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > I was searching today for about 5 houres, so the prints are a little bit > > > > durty... > > > > T2 is running on the picture. (on T1 - U3 is removed) > > > > I think the 74HC04 i use is wrong.? > > > > If i remove every IC's i get 5,04V at P6. (as it should be) > > > > I can place 1 IC in one of the 3 sockets, no matter where P6 dropes to > > 3,xx > > > > Volt. > > > > (the Led is always glowing, when i have placed even only 1 IC) > > > > So, when i have connected something wrong, it should be on every 3 > > Sockets > > > > and on both Prints wrong.(?) > > > > Maybee i have overseen something simple? > > > > > > > > How much should i have on C16 - left side, without a signal on CON1? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:34 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make a photo of the airwire and post it somewhere? > > > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > > its airwire. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:36 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:25:02AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > > > > All tests without signal. > > > > > > > > Without a signal the HPWT Led's are always glowing.(!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you using airwire or PCB? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > > > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:05 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:32:20PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It looks like my Twister's are now working correctly. (with > > the > > > > new > > > > > > > > IC's) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But i got a problem with the 2 transmitters. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All datas are without signal at CON1 (and DC): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you testing with signal or without? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P6: transmitter1 3,07V > > > > > > > > > > P6: transmitter2 3,08V > > > > > > > > > > They should have 4,6V...5,2V. > > > > > > > > > > P7: t1 1,5V > > > > > > > > > > P7: t2 1,8V (HPWT Led's are always glowing) > > > > > > > > > > (checked only voltages, but ther must be some mA) > > > > > > > > > > In the "without signal at CON1" part are all other > > checkpoints > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any idea which part could make the problem?? > > > > > > > > > > C16 left side is 2,49V > > > > > > > > > > C11 right side 3,21V > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pullup resistor R10 has 100k and at the uper side 5,04V. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C16 should block all DC, so there is not much left who could > > > > drain > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Voltage down... > > > > > > > > > > U1-U3 where named 74HC 04 on the page I orderd them. > > > > > > > > > > The IC's self are labled: M74HC04B1 (added datasheets to > > mail) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Powersupply makes 12VA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kuna at alphanet.sk Wed Oct 6 09:59:52 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Wed Oct 6 09:43:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro zaloha na ronju Message-ID: <002201c4ab82$dee40480$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> oz znamena operacny zosilovac a co sa tyka prepnutia z ronje na radio cez switch trva to cca 20-30 sekund ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041006/f7f5b887/attachment.htm From czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz Wed Oct 6 10:00:04 2004 From: czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz (pupik) Date: Wed Oct 6 10:00:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro zaloha na ronju In-Reply-To: <002201c4ab82$dee40480$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> References: <002201c4ab82$dee40480$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <5281715703.20041006110004@paleo.cz> Dobr? den. Muzes porsim detailneji popsat to zapojeni? Pripadne pouzivate nekdo jine zapojeni, kde prepnuti napr trva kratsi dobu? --- m> oz znamena operacny zosilovac a co sa tyka prepnutia z ronje na radio cez switch trva to cca 20-30 sekund S?ti zdar! --- Radovan Moser (pupik) http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) ICQ-ID: 15521245 From pavkriz at gybon.cz Wed Oct 6 12:10:52 2004 From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz) Date: Wed Oct 6 12:11:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC In-Reply-To: <20040930094750.GA242@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <20040930094750.GA242@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4163D2BC.9090008@gybon.cz> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>2) Moje reseni pomoci SNAT/DNAT, arp, route: >>http://www.gybon.cz/~pavkriz/download/looptest.sh > > Hehe :) Mas ozkouseny, ze tohle reseni funguje? > > Cl< Jo, tohle reseni funguje :) Akorat ten AWK kousek co vytahava MAC adresu z ifconfigu je zavisly na verzi ifconfigu, protoze se u nej menil format vystupu. Pokud si nekdo vyplni ty MAC rucne, tak to funguje vzdy ;) Pokud ty navody na webu a ve wikine nejsou pouzitelny pro 2 sitovky v tomtez pocitaci (zatim se tu nikdo neozval ze by mu to slo podle tech postupu) tak by se mozna mely ty navody preformulovat, at z toho nejsou lidi zmateny... Pavel Kriz www.hkfree.org From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Oct 6 12:29:46 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 12:30:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] miro zaloha na ronju References: <002201c4ab82$dee40480$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> <5281715703.20041006110004@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <002c01c4ab97$cb2f42a0$0103450a@thechosen> jo pouziva, treba ja. neco co jede fullduplex. hledej ve starsich prispevcich. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "pupik" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] miro zaloha na ronju Dobr? den. Muzes porsim detailneji popsat to zapojeni? Pripadne pouzivate nekdo jine zapojeni, kde prepnuti napr trva kratsi dobu? --- m> oz znamena operacny zosilovac a co sa tyka prepnutia z ronje na radio cez switch trva to cca 20-30 sekund S?ti zdar! --- Radovan Moser (pupik) http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) ICQ-ID: 15521245 _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 6 13:00:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 13:00:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC In-Reply-To: <4163D2BC.9090008@gybon.cz> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <20040930094750.GA242@beton.cybernet.src> <4163D2BC.9090008@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <20041006120033.GB1507@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 01:10:52PM +0200, Pavel Kriz wrote: > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >>2) Moje reseni pomoci SNAT/DNAT, arp, route: > >>http://www.gybon.cz/~pavkriz/download/looptest.sh > > > >Hehe :) Mas ozkouseny, ze tohle reseni funguje? > > > >Cl< > > Jo, tohle reseni funguje :) Akorat ten AWK kousek co vytahava MAC adresu > z ifconfigu je zavisly na verzi ifconfigu, protoze se u nej menil format > vystupu. Pokud si nekdo vyplni ty MAC rucne, tak to funguje vzdy ;) > > Pokud ty navody na webu a ve wikine nejsou pouzitelny pro 2 sitovky v > tomtez pocitaci (zatim se tu nikdo neozval ze by mu to slo podle tech > postupu) tak by se mozna mely ty navody preformulovat, at z toho nejsou > lidi zmateny... Kde co konkretne v kterym navodu by se melo preformulovat? Cl< From kuna at alphanet.sk Wed Oct 6 14:15:52 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Wed Oct 6 13:25:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz Message-ID: <000b01c4aba6$9b56e2e0$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Zde byl um?st?n nep?ijateln? obsah typu: multipart/alternative------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: Ronja.oz.cmx Typ: application/octet-stream Velikost: 22082 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041006/921fed5c/Ronja.oz-0001.obj From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Wed Oct 6 14:51:14 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 14:51:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: <000b01c4aba6$9b56e2e0$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> References: <000b01c4aba6$9b56e2e0$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: Nemohl by to nekdo preposlat v nejakem wydle compatible formatu? ROOTen On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:15:52 +0200, miro wrote: > v prilohe zasielam schemu oz -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 6 18:10:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 18:10:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c4aba6$9b56e2e0$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <20041006171043.GB1896@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 03:51:14PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > Nemohl by to nekdo preposlat v nejakem wydle compatible formatu? Wydle kompatibilni to je: RIFF:V^@^@CMX1cont?^@^@^@{Corel Binary Meta File}^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@Windows +3.1 nicmene ja corel nemam takze si to taky neprectu. Co vo tom je? schema vnitrku operaku? Cl< > > ROOTen > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:15:52 +0200, miro wrote: > > >v prilohe zasielam schemu oz > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Oct 6 18:22:07 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 18:23:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz References: <000b01c4aba6$9b56e2e0$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> <20041006171043.GB1896@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001c01c4abc9$09bddaf0$0103450a@thechosen> LOL file corelu :)) to si prohledne sousta lidi no. co takhle pdf nebo blbej gif? ;) Glo --------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Miro schema oz > On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 03:51:14PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > > Nemohl by to nekdo preposlat v nejakem wydle compatible formatu? > > Wydle kompatibilni to je: > RIFF:V^@^@CMX1cont?^@^@^@{Corel Binary Meta File}^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@Windows > +3.1 > > nicmene ja corel nemam takze si to taky neprectu. > > Co vo tom je? schema vnitrku operaku? > > Cl< > > > > ROOTen > > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:15:52 +0200, miro wrote: > > > > >v prilohe zasielam schemu oz > > > > > > > > -- > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Wed Oct 6 19:34:16 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 19:34:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: <20041006171043.GB1896@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000b01c4aba6$9b56e2e0$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> <20041006171043.GB1896@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: ja bych se primlouval za JPEG. ROOTen On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:10:43 +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 03:51:14PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: >> Nemohl by to nekdo preposlat v nejakem wydle compatible formatu? > > Wydle kompatibilni to je: > RIFF:V^@^@CMX1cont?^@^@^@{Corel Binary Meta File}^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@Windows > +3.1 > > nicmene ja corel nemam takze si to taky neprectu. > > Co vo tom je? schema vnitrku operaku? > > Cl< >> >> ROOTen >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:15:52 +0200, miro wrote: >> >> >v prilohe zasielam schemu oz >> >> >> >> -- >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Oct 6 19:41:31 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 19:42:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz References: <000b01c4aba6$9b56e2e0$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk><20041006171043.GB1896@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000901c4abd4$1cab47a0$0103450a@thechosen> jpg na schema to je jeste vetsi cunarna. jpg je ztratova komprese a rozmazava ostre prechody jako schemata ;) ale to ja jen takovou osvetu :) silim kdyz nekdo da na web schema v JPGu. Glo > ja bych se primlouval za JPEG. > > ROOTen > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:10:43 +0000, Karel Kulhav? > wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 03:51:14PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > >> Nemohl by to nekdo preposlat v nejakem wydle compatible formatu? > > > > Wydle kompatibilni to je: > > RIFF:V^@^@CMX1cont?^@^@^@{Corel Binary Meta File}^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@Windows > > +3.1 > > > > nicmene ja corel nemam takze si to taky neprectu. > > > > Co vo tom je? schema vnitrku operaku? > > > > Cl< > >> > >> ROOTen > >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:15:52 +0200, miro wrote: > >> > >> >v prilohe zasielam schemu oz > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Wed Oct 6 19:46:38 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 19:46:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: <000901c4abd4$1cab47a0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000b01c4aba6$9b56e2e0$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk><20041006171043.GB1896@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c4abd4$1cab47a0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: No na nejnizsi moznou kompresi je to vcelku kvalitni a velmi portabilni format.. Ale to jen tak naokraj.. spis bych rad videl to schema.. :) ROOTen On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:41:31 +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > jpg na schema to je jeste vetsi cunarna. jpg je ztratova komprese a > rozmazava ostre prechody jako schemata ;) ale to ja jen takovou osvetu :) > silim kdyz nekdo da na web schema v JPGu. > > Glo > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Oct 6 20:19:28 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Oct 6 20:17:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: <000901c4abd4$1cab47a0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <41646160.13555.393FC3@localhost> Boze, boze, schemata se zasadne davaji v GIFech. To je takovy problem splodit komparator s hysterzi (spodni 100, horni 150mV, kdyby nekdo nevedel tak napeti rssi pri pruchodu paketu silne kolisa) z jednoho hnusneho operaku? Nebo tam dat LM3915 (takova ta vec, co s ni ditka ZS povinna delaji VUmetry) jako Silvie a na nejnizsi diodu pripojit rele? > jpg na schema to je jeste vetsi cunarna. jpg je ztratova komprese a > rozmazava ostre prechody jako schemata ;) ale to ja jen takovou osvetu :) > silim kdyz nekdo da na web schema v JPGu. > > Glo > > > ja bych se primlouval za JPEG. > > > > ROOTen > > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:10:43 +0000, Karel Kulhav > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 03:51:14PM +0200, Petr Dvo ?k wrote: > > >> Nemohl by to nekdo preposlat v nejakem wydle compatible formatu? > > > > > > Wydle kompatibilni to je: > > > RIFF:V^@^@CMX1cont ^@^@^@{Corel Binary Meta File}^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@Windows > > > +3.1 > > > > > > nicmene ja corel nemam takze si to taky neprectu. > > > > > > Co vo tom je? schema vnitrku operaku? > > > > > > Cl< > > >> > > >> ROOTen > > >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:15:52 +0200, miro wrote: > > >> > > >> >v prilohe zasielam schemu oz > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Ronja mailing list > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 6 20:27:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 20:27:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: <000901c4abd4$1cab47a0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000901c4abd4$1cab47a0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20041006192721.GA233@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:41:31PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > jpg na schema to je jeste vetsi cunarna. jpg je ztratova komprese a > rozmazava ostre prechody jako schemata ;) ale to ja jen takovou osvetu :) > silim kdyz nekdo da na web schema v JPGu. pro schema je vhodne PNG a je to take standard (jedna z podminek standardu je, ze se da zneni standardu nekde zdarma ziskat): http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2083.html GIF je zatizen patenty UNISYSu a navic je velmi spatne navrzen - pouziva se slovnikova komprese na obrazova data primo, bez pouziti dekorelacni transformace, coz je pro kompresi obrazu (a obecne multimedialnich dat) krajne nevhodne. JPEG spatne prenasi cervene detaily, rozmazava barevne detaily (na barve ma polovicni rozliseni nez na luminanci) a degradacni artefakty pusobi na carove grafice vylozene rusive. Z hlediska maximalni komprese by pravdepodobne byla vhodna dekorelacni transformace ve forme (volitelne ztratoveho) waveletu nasledovana nejakym entropickym kodovanim, nicmene (dle meho nazoru) rozumny standard zatim nebyl navrzen (existuje JPEG2000 a Dejavu, ale oba jsou z hlediska patentu, licencovani a otevrenosti referencnich implementaci dle meho nazoru znacne pochybne). Optimalni by byl pristup k navrhu standardu, jaky predvedli Boutell et al. na standardu PNG. Navrhovali ho hackeri, navrh na me pusobi vylozene elegantnim dojmem, a behem let ho jako standard uznala jak IETF (RFC), tak W3C. Cl< > > Glo > > > ja bych se primlouval za JPEG. > > > > ROOTen > > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:10:43 +0000, Karel Kulhav? > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 03:51:14PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > > >> Nemohl by to nekdo preposlat v nejakem wydle compatible formatu? > > > > > > Wydle kompatibilni to je: > > > RIFF:V^@^@CMX1cont?^@^@^@{Corel Binary Meta File}^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@Windows > > > +3.1 > > > > > > nicmene ja corel nemam takze si to taky neprectu. > > > > > > Co vo tom je? schema vnitrku operaku? > > > > > > Cl< > > >> > > >> ROOTen > > >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:15:52 +0200, miro wrote: > > >> > > >> >v prilohe zasielam schemu oz > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Ronja mailing list > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Wed Oct 6 20:30:09 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 20:30:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: <41646160.13555.393FC3@localhost> References: <41646160.13555.393FC3@localhost> Message-ID: Abych pravdu rek, tak to pro me celkem problem je... nedelam elektrotechnickou skolu a Ronja je jenom muj konicek... takze pokud by to nekdo mohl publikovat, byl bych mu velmi vdecen.. ROOTen On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:19:28 +0200, wrote: > Boze, boze, schemata se zasadne davaji v GIFech. > > To je takovy problem splodit komparator s hysterzi (spodni 100, horni > 150mV, kdyby nekdo > nevedel tak napeti rssi pri pruchodu paketu silne kolisa) z jednoho > hnusneho operaku? Nebo > tam dat LM3915 (takova ta vec, co s ni ditka ZS povinna delaji VUmetry) > jako Silvie a na > nejnizsi diodu pripojit rele? > From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 6 20:30:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 20:31:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: References: <000901c4abd4$1cab47a0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20041006193050.GB233@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:46:38PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > No na nejnizsi moznou kompresi je to vcelku kvalitni a velmi portabilni > format.. Pro carovou grafiku typicky PNG komprimuje na kratsi soubor nez JPG, a to jeste navic bezeztratove. Aspon na me to delalo takovy dojem kdyz jsem si hral s konverznimi filtry pro autogeneraci schemat a kreseb pro Ronju. Jinak svobodny ekvivalent CorelDraw! (asi ne tak propracovany, ale o to u jednoduchych schemat nejde) je Sodipodi. http://sodipodi.org Sodipodi pouzivam na Ronje a jsem s nim spokojen. Cl< > Ale to jen tak naokraj.. spis bych rad videl to schema.. :) > > ROOTen > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:41:31 +0200, Michal Mal??ek > wrote: > > >jpg na schema to je jeste vetsi cunarna. jpg je ztratova komprese a > >rozmazava ostre prechody jako schemata ;) ale to ja jen takovou osvetu :) > >silim kdyz nekdo da na web schema v JPGu. > > > >Glo > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 6 20:32:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 20:32:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: <41646160.13555.393FC3@localhost> References: <000901c4abd4$1cab47a0$0103450a@thechosen> <41646160.13555.393FC3@localhost> Message-ID: <20041006193216.GC233@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 09:19:28PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Boze, boze, schemata se zasadne davaji v GIFech. > > To je takovy problem splodit komparator s hysterzi (spodni 100, horni 150mV, kdyby nekdo > nevedel tak napeti rssi pri pruchodu paketu silne kolisa) z jednoho hnusneho operaku? Nebo > tam dat LM3915 (takova ta vec, co s ni ditka ZS povinna delaji VUmetry) jako Silvie a na > nejnizsi diodu pripojit rele? Ma LM3915 hysterezi? Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Oct 6 20:47:07 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 20:47:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: <41646160.13555.393FC3@localhost> References: <41646160.13555.393FC3@localhost> Message-ID: <41644BBB.6050400@sattnet.cz> Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): >Boze, boze, schemata se zasadne davaji v GIFech. > >To je takovy problem splodit komparator s hysterzi (spodni 100, horni 150mV, kdyby nekdo >nevedel tak napeti rssi pri pruchodu paketu silne kolisa) z jednoho hnusneho operaku? Nebo >tam dat LM3915 (takova ta vec, co s ni ditka ZS povinna delaji VUmetry) jako Silvie a na > > Dival sem se do shitu, leze z toho (na diodu) 12mA/1.3V, coz na rele asi stacit nebude.. >nejnizsi diodu pripojit rele? > > > >>jpg na schema to je jeste vetsi cunarna. jpg je ztratova komprese a >>rozmazava ostre prechody jako schemata ;) ale to ja jen takovou osvetu :) >>silim kdyz nekdo da na web schema v JPGu. >> >>Glo >> >> >> >>>ja bych se primlouval za JPEG. >>> >>>ROOTen >>>On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:10:43 +0000, Karel Kulhav >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 03:51:14PM +0200, Petr Dvo ?k wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Nemohl by to nekdo preposlat v nejakem wydle compatible formatu? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Wydle kompatibilni to je: >>>>RIFF:V^@^@CMX1cont ^@^@^@{Corel Binary Meta File}^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@Windows >>>>+3.1 >>>> >>>>nicmene ja corel nemam takze si to taky neprectu. >>>> >>>>Co vo tom je? schema vnitrku operaku? >>>> >>>>Cl< >>>> >>>> >>>>>ROOTen >>>>>On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:15:52 +0200, miro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>v prilohe zasielam schemu oz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>-- >>>Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Oct 6 20:56:39 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Oct 6 20:54:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: <20041006193216.GC233@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41646160.13555.393FC3@localhost> Message-ID: <41646A17.32659.5B4B4F@localhost> > > Boze, boze, schemata se zasadne davaji v GIFech. > > > > To je takovy problem splodit komparator s hysterzi (spodni 100, horni 150mV, kdyby nekdo > > nevedel tak napeti rssi pri pruchodu paketu silne kolisa) z jednoho hnusneho operaku? Nebo > > tam dat LM3915 (takova ta vec, co s ni ditka ZS povinna delaji VUmetry) jako Silvie a na > > nejnizsi diodu pripojit rele? > > Ma LM3915 hysterezi? Nema. Chtelo by to asi jeste pridat timer treba s 555. > > Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Oct 6 21:07:59 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Oct 6 21:08:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz References: <41646160.13555.393FC3@localhost> <41646A17.32659.5B4B4F@localhost> Message-ID: <000901c4abe0$2fb8f110$0103450a@thechosen> no, lm3915 stoji kolik? 4 petky? 555ka nevim petku? to se vypalti ;) nez spocitat 4 odpory a dat tam operak za bura. stejne je lepsi to prepinat softwarove preroutovanim nez tam dava elektroniku navic a jet jen HD. i pres to ze ty wifi pojedou porad. kdo chce muze si ji zapnout po seriaku. ale to se zase uz nikdo nevyhne elektronice navic. Glo > > > Boze, boze, schemata se zasadne davaji v GIFech. > > > > > > To je takovy problem splodit komparator s hysterzi (spodni 100, horni 150mV, kdyby nekdo > > > nevedel tak napeti rssi pri pruchodu paketu silne kolisa) z jednoho hnusneho operaku? Nebo > > > tam dat LM3915 (takova ta vec, co s ni ditka ZS povinna delaji VUmetry) jako Silvie a na > > > nejnizsi diodu pripojit rele? > > > > Ma LM3915 hysterezi? > > Nema. Chtelo by to asi jeste pridat timer treba s 555. > > > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From zdendulka at email.cz Thu Oct 7 09:04:33 2004 From: zdendulka at email.cz (Zdendik Chalda) Date: Thu Oct 7 09:04:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz Message-ID: <4164F891.000001.31627@www4.email.atc> tak jsem to otevrel, ale dostal jsem z toho jen tohle tak me nebijte za hnusotu obrazu ______________________________________________________________________REKLAMA___ A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? www.MALL.cz/penezenka Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: Ronja.oz-1.png Typ: image/png Velikost: 1204 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041007/15404d3e/Ronja.oz-1.png From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Oct 7 11:38:29 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Oct 7 11:42:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz References: <000901c4abd4$1cab47a0$0103450a@thechosen> <20041006192721.GA233@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003101c4ac59$c90c2660$0101a8c0@cz> Ja pouzivam Dejavu. Vyborna vec pro schemata...velka komprese a carova grafika uzasna. http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/djvu/djvu.html Na webu mam schemata nekolika radiostanic prave v Dejavu. Treba klasika... http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/alinco/djf1.djvu A Exprdel mi to rovnou otevre. -=RYS=- PS: toho Corela mam taky a i ten umi konvertovat do treba pdf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Michal Mal??ek" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Miro schema oz > On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:41:31PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > jpg na schema to je jeste vetsi cunarna. jpg je ztratova komprese a > > rozmazava ostre prechody jako schemata ;) ale to ja jen takovou osvetu :) > > silim kdyz nekdo da na web schema v JPGu. > > pro schema je vhodne PNG a je to take standard (jedna z podminek standardu > je, ze se da zneni standardu nekde zdarma ziskat): > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2083.html > > GIF je zatizen patenty UNISYSu a navic je velmi spatne navrzen - pouziva se > slovnikova komprese na obrazova data primo, bez pouziti dekorelacni > transformace, coz je pro kompresi obrazu (a obecne multimedialnich dat) krajne > nevhodne. > > JPEG spatne prenasi cervene detaily, rozmazava barevne detaily (na barve > ma polovicni rozliseni nez na luminanci) a degradacni artefakty pusobi na > carove grafice vylozene rusive. > > Z hlediska maximalni komprese by pravdepodobne byla vhodna dekorelacni > transformace ve forme (volitelne ztratoveho) waveletu nasledovana nejakym > entropickym kodovanim, nicmene (dle meho nazoru) rozumny standard zatim nebyl > navrzen (existuje JPEG2000 a Dejavu, ale oba jsou z hlediska patentu, > licencovani a otevrenosti referencnich implementaci dle meho nazoru znacne > pochybne). Optimalni by byl pristup k navrhu standardu, jaky predvedli Boutell > et al. na standardu PNG. Navrhovali ho hackeri, navrh na me pusobi vylozene > elegantnim dojmem, a behem let ho jako standard uznala jak IETF (RFC), tak W3C. > > Cl< > > > > > > Glo > > > > > ja bych se primlouval za JPEG. > > > > > > ROOTen > > > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:10:43 +0000, Karel Kulhav? > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 03:51:14PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > > > >> Nemohl by to nekdo preposlat v nejakem wydle compatible formatu? > > > > > > > > Wydle kompatibilni to je: > > > > RIFF:V^@^@CMX1cont?^@^@^@{Corel Binary Meta File}^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@Windows > > > > +3.1 > > > > > > > > nicmene ja corel nemam takze si to taky neprectu. > > > > > > > > Co vo tom je? schema vnitrku operaku? > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > >> > > > >> ROOTen > > > >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:15:52 +0200, miro wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >v prilohe zasielam schemu oz > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Ronja mailing list > > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From maco at host.sk Thu Oct 7 11:53:39 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Oct 7 11:53:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: <4164F891.000001.31627@www4.email.atc> References: <4164F891.000001.31627@www4.email.atc> Message-ID: <41652033.3020803@host.sk> Kde elektrikari koncia, grafici len zacinaju :) Voila - PDF a GIF pre vas. http://www.maco.sk/ronja/switching/ Marcel Hecko aka maco www.blava.net Zdendik Chalda wrote: >tak jsem to otevrel, ale dostal jsem z toho jen tohle >tak me nebijte za hnusotu obrazu > >______________________________________________________________________REKLAMA___ >A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? >www.MALL.cz/penezenka >Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! > > >__________ NOD32 1.886 (20041007) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >__________ NOD32 1.886 (20041007) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Thu Oct 7 14:20:50 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Thu Oct 7 14:21:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz In-Reply-To: <41652033.3020803@host.sk> References: <4164F891.000001.31627@www4.email.atc> <41652033.3020803@host.sk> Message-ID: <416542B2.5040308@sattnet.cz> Cim je dan stav, kdy se rele sepne pri RSSI=x V? Diky Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > Kde elektrikari koncia, grafici len zacinaju :) > > Voila - PDF a GIF pre vas. > > http://www.maco.sk/ronja/switching/ > > Marcel Hecko aka maco > www.blava.net > > Zdendik Chalda wrote: > >> tak jsem to otevrel, ale dostal jsem z toho jen tohle >> tak me nebijte za hnusotu obrazu >> >> ______________________________________________________________________REKLAMA___ >> >> A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? >> www.MALL.cz/penezenka >> Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1.886 (20041007) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.nod32.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1.886 (20041007) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.nod32.com >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From mhubb at okcareertech.org Thu Oct 7 21:37:31 2004 From: mhubb at okcareertech.org (Matt Hubbard) Date: Thu Oct 7 21:37:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Potential for sponsorship of 100Mbit Ronja Message-ID: <200410071537.31004.mhubb@okcareertech.org> Clock, The Oklahoma Department of CareerTech is the vocational education system of Oklahoma. Our statewide system prepares students for Careers in IT, health care, building and mechanical trades, electronics, etc. As we expand our eLearning infrastructure (built on open source technologies), we need to establish a secondary server cluster offsite with a dedicated high speed link to our primary cluster. We priced high speed (100Mbit+) wifi and optical solutions from commercial providers. Needless to say, very expensive! If we wanted to assist you financially (and at this point I cannot make any commitments) what would you need (in terms of time and money) to get your 100Mbit ronja designed and proven? Matt Hubbard From clock at twibright.com Fri Oct 8 10:37:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Oct 8 10:37:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041008093743.GH2120@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 10:38:17AM +0200, deadman_kt@volny.cz wrote: > mam dotaz. Mam budovat wifi sit prvni vzdalenost je 680 m a druha > 1360m (mereno infomapou) tech 1360m se tahne z udoli na kopec. > pri prumeru 130mm je realne ze to utahne RONJA 10M? potazmo jaky > vliv bude mit mlha? existuji nekde nejake reference na tuhle Na vliv mlhy jsou grafy: http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > vzdalenost? > Dik DeadMan > Ps kamarad mi rikal ze naklady na 1 bridge (4 roury + > elektrika)se pohybuji okolo 2Kkc je to pravda? Pps jestli Je to 4kKc. 2kKc jsou na jednu stranu. Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Oct 8 11:09:25 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Oct 8 11:09:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M In-Reply-To: <20041008093743.GH2120@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041008093743.GH2120@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <647117028.20041008120925@volny.cz> Pro ty co jsou v CZF aktualni vliv pocasi na spoj: http://10.27.73.13/ronja.htm Pro ty co v CZF nejsou jsou popsany na www.czfree.net nejake moznosti, jak se do vnitrni site protunelovat. OndraT KK> On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 10:38:17AM +0200, deadman_kt@volny.cz wrote: >> mam dotaz. Mam budovat wifi sit prvni vzdalenost je 680 m a druha >> 1360m (mereno infomapou) tech 1360m se tahne z udoli na kopec. >> pri prumeru 130mm je realne ze to utahne RONJA 10M? potazmo jaky >> vliv bude mit mlha? existuji nekde nejake reference na tuhle KK> Na vliv mlhy jsou grafy: KK> http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php >> vzdalenost? >> Dik DeadMan >> Ps kamarad mi rikal ze naklady na 1 bridge (4 roury + >> elektrika)se pohybuji okolo 2Kkc je to pravda? Pps jestli KK> Je to 4kKc. 2kKc jsou na jednu stranu. KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Fri Oct 8 18:27:21 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Fri Oct 8 18:28:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro schema oz Message-ID: <20041008172727Z1301596-2101+44710@mail.centrum.cz> .....teda... to sem z toho jelen..... k cemu je tam tolik pojistek??? ....;) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: David Sedl??ek > Komu: maco@maco.sk, Twibright Ronja > Datum: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:20:50 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Miro schema oz > > Cim je dan stav, kdy se rele sepne pri RSSI=x V? > Diky > > Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > > > Kde elektrikari koncia, grafici len zacinaju :) > > > > Voila - PDF a GIF pre vas. > > > > http://www.maco.sk/ronja/switching/ > > > > Marcel Hecko aka maco > > www.blava.net > > > > Zdendik Chalda wrote: > > > >> tak jsem to otevrel, ale dostal jsem z toho jen tohle > >> tak me nebijte za hnusotu obrazu > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________REKLAMA___ > >> > >> A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? > >> www.MALL.cz/penezenka > >> Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! > >> > >> > >> __________ NOD32 1.886 (20041007) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.nod32.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> __________ NOD32 1.886 (20041007) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.nod32.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Oct 8 23:31:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Oct 8 23:31:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M In-Reply-To: <647117028.20041008120925@volny.cz> References: <20041008093743.GH2120@beton.cybernet.src> <647117028.20041008120925@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041008223126.GB266@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 12:09:25PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Pro ty co jsou v CZF aktualni vliv pocasi na spoj: > http://10.27.73.13/ronja.htm > > Pro ty co v CZF nejsou jsou popsany na www.czfree.net nejake moznosti, > jak se do vnitrni site protunelovat. To co tu popisujes, je lezeni do domu kominem. Na xs26.net je popsane jak si zaridit zdarma pevnou ipv6 adresu. Ja pres xs26 jedu na nektere IRC servery a normalne to funguje. Cl< > > OndraT > > KK> On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 10:38:17AM +0200, deadman_kt@volny.cz wrote: > >> mam dotaz. Mam budovat wifi sit prvni vzdalenost je 680 m a druha > >> 1360m (mereno infomapou) tech 1360m se tahne z udoli na kopec. > >> pri prumeru 130mm je realne ze to utahne RONJA 10M? potazmo jaky > >> vliv bude mit mlha? existuji nekde nejake reference na tuhle > > KK> Na vliv mlhy jsou grafy: > KK> http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > > >> vzdalenost? > >> Dik DeadMan > >> Ps kamarad mi rikal ze naklady na 1 bridge (4 roury + > >> elektrika)se pohybuji okolo 2Kkc je to pravda? Pps jestli > > KK> Je to 4kKc. 2kKc jsou na jednu stranu. > > KK> Cl< > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Oct 9 13:11:17 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Oct 9 13:11:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M References: <20041008093743.GH2120@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001d01c4adf9$16131db0$fd02a8c0@diablo> > Na vliv mlhy jsou grafy: > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > > > vzdalenost? Ahoj. Tak sem se na tenhle odkaz taky podival, ale nejak mi to nic nerekne..... Jak se z toho tedy (hezky cesky prosim ;-) ) da vycist, na jakou vzdalenost mi RONJA bude v mlze fungovat??? Diky. From jojo at matfyz.cz Sat Oct 9 13:22:01 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Sat Oct 9 13:22:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M In-Reply-To: <001d01c4adf9$16131db0$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20041008093743.GH2120@beton.cybernet.src> <001d01c4adf9$16131db0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20041009122201.GA4558@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > > Na vliv mlhy jsou grafy: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > > > > > vzdalenost? > > Tak sem se na tenhle odkaz taky podival, ale nejak mi to nic nerekne..... > Jak se z toho tedy (hezky cesky prosim ;-) ) da vycist, na jakou vzdalenost > mi RONJA bude v mlze fungovat??? Ja to vidim asi takto: Mas najlepsiu diodu a 130mm sosovku. Pri hmle, kde vidis na 4 km, ti to bude fungovat az na 1.4 km. Pri 2 km viditelnosti na 1 km. Pri 1 km viditelnosti na 0.7km. Pri 500m viditelnosti na 450m, atd... -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 9 14:20:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Oct 9 14:20:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M In-Reply-To: <001d01c4adf9$16131db0$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20041008093743.GH2120@beton.cybernet.src> <001d01c4adf9$16131db0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20041009132040.GA767@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:11:17PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > Na vliv mlhy jsou grafy: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > > > > > vzdalenost? > > > Ahoj. > Tak sem se na tenhle odkaz taky podival, ale nejak mi to nic nerekne..... > Jak se z toho tedy (hezky cesky prosim ;-) ) da vycist, na jakou vzdalenost > mi RONJA bude v mlze fungovat??? V tabulce na http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php najdes svou vysilaci diodu a prectes si, jaky ma vystupni tok v gigafotonech na symbol a steradian. Pak si vyberes graf podle atmosfericke viditelnosti (meteorologickych podminek) za kterych te dosah zajima. Jsou tam na 4km-50m viditelnost. Vyberes si barvu cary podle toho jak velke cocky mas. Co presne velikost cocek znamena se pise na http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php Na levem kraji grafu najdes tok diody a postupujes doprava dokud nenarazis na caru dane vybrane barvy. Pak postupujes dolu, kde odectes vzdalenost, na kterou Ronja bude fungovat. Cl< > > Diky. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Oct 9 19:10:41 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Oct 9 19:10:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M References: <20041008093743.GH2120@beton.cybernet.src><001d01c4adf9$16131db0$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20041009132040.GA767@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002801c4ae2b$4ac5f2d0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Supr. Perfektni, jasny vyklad. Diky. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M > On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:11:17PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > > Na vliv mlhy jsou grafy: > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > > > > > > > vzdalenost? > > > > > > Ahoj. > > Tak sem se na tenhle odkaz taky podival, ale nejak mi to nic nerekne..... > > Jak se z toho tedy (hezky cesky prosim ;-) ) da vycist, na jakou vzdalenost > > mi RONJA bude v mlze fungovat??? > > V tabulce na > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > najdes svou vysilaci diodu a prectes si, jaky ma vystupni tok v > gigafotonech na symbol a steradian. > > Pak si vyberes graf podle atmosfericke viditelnosti (meteorologickych podminek) > za kterych te dosah zajima. Jsou tam na 4km-50m viditelnost. > > Vyberes si barvu cary podle toho jak velke cocky mas. Co presne velikost cocek > znamena se pise na http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > > Na levem kraji grafu najdes tok diody a postupujes doprava dokud nenarazis na > caru dane vybrane barvy. Pak postupujes dolu, kde odectes vzdalenost, na kterou > Ronja bude fungovat. > > Cl< > > > > Diky. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Oct 9 21:01:42 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Oct 9 21:02:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M Message-ID: <20041009200149Z1300644-2092+60799@mail.centrum.cz> asi pred hodinou mi psal synek z druheho konce spoje at si zapnu ronju. myslel sem si ze odesla nebo co, tak sem vylezl ven a malem ses se zabil. FAKT se nevidel pradelni snury cca 3m daleko... hold, bydlime pres reku a v udoli, jesi se tu tomu tak da rict takze se neni cemu divit....pak skusim dodat nake fotky, ale este to foceni nemam moc vychytane... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Jaroslav Mixa" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:10:41 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M > > Supr. > Perfektni, jasny vyklad. > Diky. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M > > > > On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:11:17PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > > > > Na vliv mlhy jsou grafy: > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > > > > > > > > > vzdalenost? > > > > > > > > > Ahoj. > > > Tak sem se na tenhle odkaz taky podival, ale nejak mi to nic > nerekne..... > > > Jak se z toho tedy (hezky cesky prosim ;-) ) da vycist, na jakou > vzdalenost > > > mi RONJA bude v mlze fungovat??? > > > > V tabulce na > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > > najdes svou vysilaci diodu a prectes si, jaky ma vystupni tok v > > gigafotonech na symbol a steradian. > > > > Pak si vyberes graf podle atmosfericke viditelnosti (meteorologickych > podminek) > > za kterych te dosah zajima. Jsou tam na 4km-50m viditelnost. > > > > Vyberes si barvu cary podle toho jak velke cocky mas. Co presne velikost > cocek > > znamena se pise na http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > > > > Na levem kraji grafu najdes tok diody a postupujes doprava dokud nenarazis > na > > caru dane vybrane barvy. Pak postupujes dolu, kde odectes vzdalenost, na > kterou > > Ronja bude fungovat. > > > > Cl< > > > > > > Diky. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Shamanu8 at web.de Sun Oct 10 15:42:23 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sun Oct 10 15:48:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always Message-ID: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bild1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1405913 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041010/ccb10140/Bild1-0001.jpg From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Sun Oct 10 16:57:14 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Sun Oct 10 16:46:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always In-Reply-To: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> References: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> Message-ID: <41695BDA.5000206@jkl.darktech.org> Shamanu8 wrote: > Hi, > > I haven't connected any signal, but my transmitter led's (built 2 > airwire) are always glowing. > If you mean HPWT led, then yes this led glowing even without data due to 1MHz signal. The transmitter appears to shine permanently no matter if data pass or not. But if you talk about red TX control led on interface, well then one of more skilled users of this maillist may help you :) -jkl- From Shamanu8 at web.de Sun Oct 10 17:43:12 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sun Oct 10 17:43:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always References: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> <41695BDA.5000206@jkl.darktech.org> Message-ID: <002c01c4aee8$3c7b8470$0500a8c0@aig1> Yes, i mean the HPWT led. In this case P7 on: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png is wrong? If HPWT is always glowing, the 0mA on P7 are wrong, or.? Then the only problem i have is P6. It dropes to 2,9-3,1V if the (as you said) 1MHz signal makes that the HPWT Led is glowing. If i remove the Con1 physicaly, P6 goes back to 5,04V. This means that the error must be on transmitter side.? Can it be, that the HPWT led's i got, are producing this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kleisner" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always > Shamanu8 wrote: >> Hi, >> I haven't connected any signal, but my transmitter led's (built 2 >> airwire) are always glowing. >> > > If you mean HPWT led, then yes this led glowing even without data due to > 1MHz signal. The transmitter appears to shine permanently no matter if > data pass or not. > > But if you talk about red TX control led on interface, well then one of > more skilled users of this maillist may help you :) > > -jkl- > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Sun Oct 10 17:47:42 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Sun Oct 10 17:47:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always In-Reply-To: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> References: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> Message-ID: <416967AE.4010905@poupe.net> Hi, it's wrong when the HPWT glows without signal. Check if you have R10 really connected behing C16. I think connected to pins 3,5,9,11,13 and not pin 2 of 74hc04. Kneza Shamanu8 wrote: > Hi, > > I haven't connected any signal, but my transmitter led's (built 2 > airwire) are always glowing. > > I think now that the transmitter part is working correctly. > I messured the points as described on: > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > In the "Without signal at CON1" P6 and P7 are wrong. > But if i disconect CON1 physicaly, all messure points on transmitter > part are correct. > So, i think there must be an error on the twister side. > > I re-checked every single connection, from where it comes and where it goes. > Also every Resistor and the IC polarisation. > Haven't found any error in over 14 houres of complete checking... :( > > I realy hope one of you can help me. > > Added a picture with the most messure datas i get in DC mode(without a > signal). > > Interesting is the 2,54V line over (backward) U56 (Pin9) -> U56 (5) > -> U59 (11). > If i disconect one part in this line (up to U52 (10)) the led on the > transmitter stops glowing. > > > greetings. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Shamanu8 at web.de Sun Oct 10 18:41:57 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sun Oct 10 18:42:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always References: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> <416967AE.4010905@poupe.net> Message-ID: <003501c4aef0$71740730$0500a8c0@aig1> hmm, ok. Checked, the pullup resistor R10 is behind C16. If i remove CON1 physicaly, i get my 5,08V on P6. On C16 pin 2 side i get "only" 2,49V. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always > Hi, > > it's wrong when the HPWT glows without signal. > > Check if you have R10 really connected behing C16. > I think connected to pins 3,5,9,11,13 and not pin 2 of 74hc04. > > Kneza > > > Shamanu8 wrote: >> Hi, >> I haven't connected any signal, but my transmitter led's (built 2 >> airwire) are always glowing. >> I think now that the transmitter part is working correctly. >> I messured the points as described on: >> http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png >> In the "Without signal at CON1" P6 and P7 are wrong. >> But if i disconect CON1 physicaly, all messure points on transmitter part >> are correct. >> So, i think there must be an error on the twister side. >> I re-checked every single connection, from where it comes and where it >> goes. >> Also every Resistor and the IC polarisation. >> Haven't found any error in over 14 houres of complete checking... :( >> I realy hope one of you can help me. >> Added a picture with the most messure datas i get in DC mode(without a >> signal). >> Interesting is the 2,54V line over (backward) U56 (Pin9) -> U56 (5) -> >> U59 (11). >> If i disconect one part in this line (up to U52 (10)) the led on the >> transmitter stops glowing. >> greetings. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Sun Oct 10 19:51:09 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Oct 10 19:45:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always In-Reply-To: <002c01c4aee8$3c7b8470$0500a8c0@aig1> References: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> <41695BDA.5000206@jkl.darktech.org> <002c01c4aee8$3c7b8470$0500a8c0@aig1> Message-ID: <4169849D.4030006@katka.biz> Shamanu8 wrote: > Yes, i mean the HPWT led. > In this case P7 on: > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png is > wrong? > If HPWT is always glowing, the 0mA on P7 are wrong, or.? > > Then the only problem i have is P6. > It dropes to 2,9-3,1V if the (as you said) 1MHz signal makes that the > HPWT Led is glowing. > > If i remove the Con1 physicaly, P6 goes back to 5,04V. > This means that the error must be on transmitter side.? > Can it be, that the HPWT led's i got, are producing this? > If you connect Tx to power, hpwt led is glowing all the time. In manual is written: with signal at con1, P6max = P8/2+0.6 .. should be about 3.2V without signal at con1 P6max = P8 .. should be about 5V what is wrong ? p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Sun Oct 10 20:37:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Oct 10 20:37:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always In-Reply-To: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> References: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> Message-ID: <20041010193701.GA3728@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 04:42:23PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > Hi, > > I haven't connected any signal, but my transmitter led's (built 2 airwire) are always glowing. When is the TX LED glowing? When a cable is attached and not glowing when isn't? Cl< > > I think now that the transmitter part is working correctly. > I messured the points as described on: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > In the "Without signal at CON1" P6 and P7 are wrong. > But if i disconect CON1 physicaly, all messure points on transmitter part are correct. > So, i think there must be an error on the twister side. > > I re-checked every single connection, from where it comes and where it goes. > Also every Resistor and the IC polarisation. > Haven't found any error in over 14 houres of complete checking... :( > > I realy hope one of you can help me. > > Added a picture with the most messure datas i get in DC mode(without a signal). > > Interesting is the 2,54V line over (backward) U56 (Pin9) -> U56 (5) -> U59 (11). > If i disconect one part in this line (up to U52 (10)) the led on the transmitter stops glowing. > > > greetings. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Shamanu8 at web.de Sun Oct 10 20:40:59 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sun Oct 10 20:41:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always References: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> <41695BDA.5000206@jkl.darktech.org><002c01c4aee8$3c7b8470$0500a8c0@aig1> <4169849D.4030006@katka.biz> Message-ID: <004d01c4af01$124e0e70$0500a8c0@aig1> > p0l0us wrote: > If you connect Tx to power, hpwt led is glowing all the time. Tx? you mean the complete transmitter part, TX on transmitter side (CON1), TX on twister side (CONN53) or the Tx on RJ45? With connect to power you mean only connect with CON12V and CON GND on transmitter side? Sorry, but it's confusing, if you hear differnt things... To make it more clear: I use: 1 Twister (RJ 45 (RD+/- TD+/- at CONN52) - was never connected with anything) 12V supply for twister. Conn53 is connected with the transmitter and the receiver. 12V and GND between transmitter and receiver. The "Without signal at CON1" on transmitter side, means for me that RJ45(network card) isn't connected with the twister. So, if RJ45 aren't connected with the twister, my HPWT led is glowing. > In manual is written: > with signal at con1, P6max = P8/2+0.6 .. should be about 3.2V > without signal at con1 P6max = P8 .. should be about 5V > > what is wrong ? > I don't know if in the "without signal at con1" part means without RJ45 Signal (no data transfair), or only without CON1 connected. > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Shamanu8 at web.de Sun Oct 10 20:49:50 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Sun Oct 10 20:49:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always References: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> <20041010193701.GA3728@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <005401c4af02$4ea0e860$0500a8c0@aig1> Haven't connected the network card yet. So, TX Led (on twister) wasn't glowing yet. I thought that it's useles if transmitter isn't working correctly. It was only about HPWT led who is always glowing. The "Without signal at CON1" on http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png means without CON1 physicaly connected, or what? I thought without RJ45 connected to a PC. (sending a network signal) > On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 04:42:23PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I haven't connected any signal, but my transmitter led's (built 2 >> airwire) are always glowing. > > When is the TX LED glowing? When a cable is attached and not glowing when > isn't? > > Cl< >> >> I think now that the transmitter part is working correctly. >> I messured the points as described on: >> http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png >> In the "Without signal at CON1" P6 and P7 are wrong. >> But if i disconect CON1 physicaly, all messure points on transmitter part >> are correct. >> So, i think there must be an error on the twister side. >> >> I re-checked every single connection, from where it comes and where it >> goes. >> Also every Resistor and the IC polarisation. >> Haven't found any error in over 14 houres of complete checking... :( >> >> I realy hope one of you can help me. >> >> Added a picture with the most messure datas i get in DC mode(without a >> signal). >> >> Interesting is the 2,54V line over (backward) U56 (Pin9) -> U56 (5) -> >> U59 (11). >> If i disconect one part in this line (up to U52 (10)) the led on the >> transmitter stops glowing. >> >> >> greetings. >> >> >> From polous at katka.biz Sun Oct 10 22:56:52 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Oct 10 22:51:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always In-Reply-To: <004d01c4af01$124e0e70$0500a8c0@aig1> References: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> <41695BDA.5000206@jkl.darktech.org><002c01c4aee8$3c7b8470$0500a8c0@aig1> <4169849D.4030006@katka.biz> <004d01c4af01$124e0e70$0500a8c0@aig1> Message-ID: <4169B024.9090503@katka.biz> Shamanu8 wrote: >> p0l0us wrote: >> If you connect Tx to power, hpwt led is glowing all the time. > > > Tx? Tx means Transmiter modul in this case. > you mean the complete transmitter part, TX on transmitter side (CON1), > TX on twister side (CONN53) or the Tx on RJ45? Tx tespoints don't depend if RJ45 is connected to NIC or not. I think it will be later, when you will tune Tx module with packet fload and messure distance and PL% [section testing ronja]. But not at this time, when you are debuging modules. > With connect to power you mean only connect with CON12V and CON GND on > transmitter side? > Sorry, but it's confusing, if you hear differnt things... Tx modul takes power from twister modul as you know. Power 12V goes thru inductor [L101 (should be a twisted wire)] in Rx module and direct thru power exchange cable to Tx modul. So I wrote connected power. I mean connected shielding of both coaxial cables (on twister at CONN53 GND and +12V) and exchange cable as well. I have understant that without CON1 means without connected inner koax wire to Tx module (I mean koax between Twister conn53 and Tx module). > > To make it more clear: > I use: > 1 Twister (RJ 45 (RD+/- TD+/- at CONN52) - was never connected with > anything) > 12V supply for twister. > Conn53 is connected with the transmitter and the receiver. > 12V and GND between transmitter and receiver. > > The "Without signal at CON1" on transmitter side, means for me that > RJ45(network card) isn't connected with the twister. RJ45 on twister (UTP going to NIC) is called CONN52. 2Clock: There is nowhere written on [http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png] what the CON1 means. > So, if RJ45 aren't connected with the twister, my HPWT led is glowing. yes. if you have connected twister-koax-Tx, exchange cable and shielding of Rx-twister koax, Tx hwt led should shine. If you disconnect one of these, Tx hpwt shouldn't shine. On twister shold shine only yellow, sometimes the green Rx led. (means without RJ45 connected to nic and with twister power supplyed). > >> In manual is written: >> with signal at con1, P6max = P8/2+0.6 .. should be about 3.2V >> without signal at con1 P6max = P8 .. should be about 5V >> >> what is wrong ? >> > I don't know if in the "without signal at con1" part means without > RJ45 Signal (no data transfair), > or only without CON1 connected. > Is everything clear ? 2Clock is everything true ? p0l0us From simandl at mujmail.cz Mon Oct 11 09:45:12 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Mon Oct 11 09:42:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] JOKE: Japonci nas dohaneji :) Message-ID: <416A4818.40906@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, uz rozchodili optickou sit na vzdalenost 10m :) http://www.commsdesign.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=49400995 hezky den Sima From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 11 10:47:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 11 10:47:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Singleboard Computer in gschem and PCB Message-ID: <20041011094711.GB601@beton.cybernet.src> http://www.dlharmon.com/sbc.html ARM 920T core, MMU, 32+32MB RAM CF card socket 64+2 MB flash 10/100 Ethernet 12Mb/s USB 2 serial ports 6-14V DC 100x100mm gschem + PCB sources in public domain on the webpage Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 11 11:06:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 11 11:06:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000701c4ab10$936bf9d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <20041004124335.GD669@beton.cybernet.src> <000701c4ab10$936bf9d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20041011100614.GA661@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 09:21:49PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > > > I am not sure that it's a good idea to compress into jpeg2000 at all. > > > > Send it in jpeg. I don't care about e-mail size up to some say 100MB. > > > > Cl< > > > > Did you get my email with the new coded pictures? > Have you found something in the pictures? Yes I have seen it just recently. What you have there is a breadboard construction. This is not an airwire construction. Breadboard hasn't even the slightest chance to work correctly with Ronja. You have to resolder it into airwire construction to make it work correctly. Cl< > > I got today the new 74HC04, and the problem is still there... :( > > I cleared 1 IC from the normal connections. > Left only: > P7-GND > P14-5V > and 1x100nF Condensator direct on P14. > > If i connect then Pin3 direct with 5V it works normal. > But if i connect Pin3 over 100k to 5V it dropes to 3,0x V. How can this be, > if Pin4 isen't connected???? > > When i messed, i got sometimes a sound from the PC Box how is connected to > the same AC-line. > Is this "normal"? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Shamanu8 at web.de Mon Oct 11 11:24:46 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Mon Oct 11 11:24:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) References: <20041004124335.GD669@beton.cybernet.src><000701c4ab10$936bf9d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> <20041011100614.GA661@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <009c01c4af7c$89393610$0500a8c0@aig1> You mean that breadboard can't work because of the frequencies? so, every part: twister, transmitter and receiver? >> > >> >> Did you get my email with the new coded pictures? >> Have you found something in the pictures? > > Yes I have seen it just recently. > > What you have there is a breadboard construction. This is not an airwire > construction. Breadboard hasn't even the slightest chance to work > correctly > with Ronja. > > You have to resolder it into airwire construction to make it work > correctly. > > Cl< >> >> I got today the new 74HC04, and the problem is still there... :( >> >> I cleared 1 IC from the normal connections. >> Left only: >> P7-GND >> P14-5V >> and 1x100nF Condensator direct on P14. >> >> If i connect then Pin3 direct with 5V it works normal. >> But if i connect Pin3 over 100k to 5V it dropes to 3,0x V. How can this >> be, >> if Pin4 isen't connected???? >> >> When i messed, i got sometimes a sound from the PC Box how is connected >> to >> the same AC-line. >> Is this "normal"? >> >> >> From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 11 13:58:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 11 13:58:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <009c01c4af7c$89393610$0500a8c0@aig1> References: <20041011100614.GA661@beton.cybernet.src> <009c01c4af7c$89393610$0500a8c0@aig1> Message-ID: <20041011125846.GF804@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 12:24:46PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > You mean that breadboard can't work because of the frequencies? > so, every part: twister, transmitter and receiver? Yes, exactly. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 11 17:47:49 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Oct 11 17:46:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem Message-ID: <416AD555.13620.AC87D@localhost> Taxem resil problem s opocovanim skla u me pokusne instalace optitka za oknem. No asi po hodince badani me napadlo k oknu namontovat vetrak z PC zdroje a ejhle funguje to - tak kam fouka proud vzduchu po oroseni ani stopy. Pak me jeste napadlo, kdyz uz nedaleko vetsiny venkovnich instalaci bezi router z PC se zdrojem, pritahnout proud vzduchu od vetraku "husim krkem" primo k cockam, co to udela. V patek to hodlam namontovat a pak poreferuju. From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 11 18:17:48 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Oct 11 18:16:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? Message-ID: <416ADC5C.5323.263CA7@localhost> Testoval jsem takovouhle konfiguraci PC1 s RTL8139 smejd - 60m UTP (napajeni pres 4 nevyuzite zily) - trafo 20F001- twister - "crosstwister" kabel - twister - 1m UTP dle navodu - PC2 s RTL8139C. "crosstwister kabel" - prekrizene TX,RX + vede napajeni, takze se ke zdroji pripojuje jen jeden twister Problem: 1) data neprochazi - oba twistery napajeny ze 60m vzdaleneho PC1 a "zeme" PC2 NENI s twisterem propojena 2) data prochazi - -//- ale "zeme" PC2 JE s twisterem propojena Z toho cicham eventuelne pruser pokud by se twister napajel z plovouciho zdroje ("vietnamska kostka", universalni adapter Hama...) a nikde nebyl prizemnen. Dodavam, ze pro to nemam v soucasne dobe zadne rozumne vysvetleni. From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 11 18:19:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 11 18:19:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <416ADC5C.5323.263CA7@localhost> References: <416ADC5C.5323.263CA7@localhost> Message-ID: <20041011171940.GA1218@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 07:17:48PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Testoval jsem takovouhle konfiguraci PC1 s RTL8139 smejd - 60m UTP (napajeni pres 4 > nevyuzite zily) - trafo 20F001- twister - "crosstwister" kabel - twister - 1m UTP dle navodu - > PC2 s RTL8139C. > > "crosstwister kabel" - prekrizene TX,RX + vede napajeni, takze se ke zdroji pripojuje jen jeden > twister > > Problem: > 1) data neprochazi - oba twistery napajeny ze 60m vzdaleneho PC1 a "zeme" PC2 NENI s > twisterem propojena > > 2) data prochazi - -//- ale "zeme" PC2 JE s twisterem propojena > > Z toho cicham eventuelne pruser pokud by se twister napajel z plovouciho zdroje ("vietnamska > kostka", universalni adapter Hama...) a nikde nebyl prizemnen. > Dodavam, ze pro to nemam v soucasne dobe zadne rozumne vysvetleni. Muzes tentyz problem reprodukovat tak, ze Twistery budou zapojene podle navodu (tzn. bez trafek a s 1m kablem)? Napajeny muzou bejt snad jakkoliv pokud na nich bude napeti pripominajici 12V. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Oct 11 18:20:31 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Oct 11 18:21:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem Message-ID: <20041011172036Z1300906-18017+3595@mail.centrum.cz> :) je to zajimave reseni, ale to by muselo byt asi pouze v pripade ze mas ten routr dost blizko... za te hadice nebude delsi nez...2..3m... on sam husi krk neni moc tesny a navic na te delce... ten vetrak je sunka.... mas to jak s cerpadlem.. taky nevytlaci vzduch nekonecne daleko ze.... a navic to bude muset byt dost tlusty krk.... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > Datum: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:47:49 +0200 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > > Taxem resil problem s opocovanim skla u me pokusne instalace optitka za > oknem. No asi po hodince badani me napadlo k oknu namontovat vetrak z PC > zdroje a ejhle funguje to - tak kam fouka proud vzduchu po oroseni ani stopy. > Pak me jeste napadlo, kdyz uz nedaleko vetsiny venkovnich instalaci bezi > router z PC se zdrojem, pritahnout proud vzduchu od vetraku "husim krkem" > primo k cockam, co to udela. V patek to hodlam namontovat a pak poreferuju. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kubajz at kbx.cz Mon Oct 11 18:59:42 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_S=FDkora?=) Date: Mon Oct 11 18:59:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem In-Reply-To: <20041011172036Z1300906-18017+3595@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20041011172036Z1300906-18017+3595@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <416ACA0E.2050408@kbx.cz> u cerpadla je to jiny problem. Se vzduchem bude mit akorat ten problem, ze po ceste trochu vychladne. Taky se to bude zanaset prachem, pavoukama, mouchama a jinou haveti. Ale jinak vcelku dobrej napad... Kubajz Jakub Michn?k wrote: > :) je to zajimave reseni, ale to by muselo byt asi pouze v pripade ze mas ten routr dost blizko... za te hadice nebude delsi nez...2..3m... on sam husi krk neni moc tesny a navic na te delce... ten vetrak je sunka.... mas to jak s cerpadlem.. taky nevytlaci vzduch nekonecne daleko ze.... a navic to bude muset byt dost tlusty krk.... > > ______________________________________________________________ > >>Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz >>Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net >>Datum: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:47:49 +0200 >>P?edm?t: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem >> >>Taxem resil problem s opocovanim skla u me pokusne instalace optitka za >>oknem. No asi po hodince badani me napadlo k oknu namontovat vetrak z PC >>zdroje a ejhle funguje to - tak kam fouka proud vzduchu po oroseni ani stopy. >>Pak me jeste napadlo, kdyz uz nedaleko vetsiny venkovnich instalaci bezi >>router z PC se zdrojem, pritahnout proud vzduchu od vetraku "husim krkem" >>primo k cockam, co to udela. V patek to hodlam namontovat a pak poreferuju. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 11 19:13:45 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Oct 11 19:12:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <20041011171940.GA1218@beton.cybernet.src> References: <416ADC5C.5323.263CA7@localhost> Message-ID: <416AE979.20509.59786F@localhost> On 11 Oct 2004 at 17:19, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 07:17:48PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Testoval jsem takovouhle konfiguraci PC1 s RTL8139 smejd - 60m UTP (napajeni pres 4 > > nevyuzite zily) - trafo 20F001- twister - "crosstwister" kabel - twister - 1m UTP dle navodu - > > PC2 s RTL8139C. > > > > "crosstwister kabel" - prekrizene TX,RX + vede napajeni, takze se ke zdroji pripojuje jen jeden > > twister > > > > Problem: > > 1) data neprochazi - oba twistery napajeny ze 60m vzdaleneho PC1 a "zeme" PC2 NENI s > > twisterem propojena > > > > 2) data prochazi - -//- ale "zeme" PC2 JE s twisterem propojena > > > > Z toho cicham eventuelne pruser pokud by se twister napajel z plovouciho zdroje ("vietnamska > > kostka", universalni adapter Hama...) a nikde nebyl prizemnen. > > Dodavam, ze pro to nemam v soucasne dobe zadne rozumne vysvetleni. > > Muzes tentyz problem reprodukovat tak, ze Twistery budou zapojene podle navodu > (tzn. bez trafek a s 1m kablem)? Napajeny muzou bejt snad jakkoliv pokud na > nich bude napeti pripominajici 12V. > > Cl< > > OK, do konce tydne to vyzkousim. Podotykam ze trafo bylo jen na jedne strane - s tim dlouhym kabelem. From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 11 19:16:32 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Oct 11 19:14:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem In-Reply-To: <416ACA0E.2050408@kbx.cz> References: <20041011172036Z1300906-18017+3595@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <416AEA20.9621.5C0375@localhost> Ten vzduch nemusi byt vubec teply, staci kdyz fouka (desublimace). Spis slo o to, co s instalaci za oknem, ty husy krky uz muzou byt jen zajimavy bonus. > u cerpadla je to jiny problem. Se vzduchem bude mit akorat ten problem, > ze po ceste trochu vychladne. Taky se to bude zanaset prachem, > pavoukama, mouchama a jinou haveti. Ale jinak vcelku dobrej napad... > > Kubajz > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > :) je to zajimave reseni, ale to by muselo byt asi pouze v pripade ze mas ten routr dost blizko... za te hadice nebude delsi nez...2..3m... on sam husi krk neni moc tesny a navic na te delce... ten vetrak je sunka.... mas to jak s cerpadlem.. taky nevytlaci vzduch nekonecne daleko ze.... a navic to bude muset byt dost tlusty krk.... > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > >>Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > >>Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>Datum: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:47:49 +0200 > >>P edm t: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > >> > >>Taxem resil problem s opocovanim skla u me pokusne instalace optitka za > >>oknem. No asi po hodince badani me napadlo k oknu namontovat vetrak z PC > >>zdroje a ejhle funguje to - tak kam fouka proud vzduchu po oroseni ani stopy. > >>Pak me jeste napadlo, kdyz uz nedaleko vetsiny venkovnich instalaci bezi > >>router z PC se zdrojem, pritahnout proud vzduchu od vetraku "husim krkem" > >>primo k cockam, co to udela. V patek to hodlam namontovat a pak poreferuju. > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Oct 11 19:22:50 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Oct 11 19:22:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? References: <416ADC5C.5323.263CA7@localhost> <416AE979.20509.59786F@localhost> Message-ID: <000901c4afbf$52b31960$0103450a@thechosen> ma trafo 20F001 prevod 1:1 ? Glo > On 11 Oct 2004 at 17:19, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 07:17:48PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > > Testoval jsem takovouhle konfiguraci PC1 s RTL8139 smejd - 60m UTP (napajeni pres 4 > > > nevyuzite zily) - trafo 20F001- twister - "crosstwister" kabel - twister - 1m UTP dle navodu - > > > PC2 s RTL8139C. > > > > > > "crosstwister kabel" - prekrizene TX,RX + vede napajeni, takze se ke zdroji pripojuje jen jeden > > > twister > > > > > > Problem: > > > 1) data neprochazi - oba twistery napajeny ze 60m vzdaleneho PC1 a "zeme" PC2 NENI s > > > twisterem propojena > > > > > > 2) data prochazi - -//- ale "zeme" PC2 JE s twisterem propojena > > > > > > Z toho cicham eventuelne pruser pokud by se twister napajel z plovouciho zdroje ("vietnamska > > > kostka", universalni adapter Hama...) a nikde nebyl prizemnen. > > > Dodavam, ze pro to nemam v soucasne dobe zadne rozumne vysvetleni. > > > > Muzes tentyz problem reprodukovat tak, ze Twistery budou zapojene podle navodu > > (tzn. bez trafek a s 1m kablem)? Napajeny muzou bejt snad jakkoliv pokud na > > nich bude napeti pripominajici 12V. > > > > Cl< > > > > OK, do konce tydne to vyzkousim. Podotykam ze trafo bylo jen na jedne strane - s tim > dlouhym kabelem. From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 11 19:36:05 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Oct 11 19:34:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <000901c4afbf$52b31960$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <416AEEB5.19433.6DEABB@localhost> Soude podle dostupnych indicii ano. Ale na trafo bych to nesvadel - na jine instalaci s 25m dlouhym kabelem funguje bez problemu. Navic jsem uspesne zkousel i jina trafa. > ma trafo 20F001 prevod 1:1 ? > From mixaj at mymail.cz Mon Oct 11 20:20:01 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Mon Oct 11 20:22:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem References: <20041011172036Z1300906-18017+3595@mail.centrum.cz> <416AEA20.9621.5C0375@localhost> Message-ID: <003d01c4afc7$98c5f780$fd02a8c0@diablo> A na zacatek i konec by stacilo dat nejaky filtr, aby se nedostal humus do husiho krku.. (treba ze starych plynovych masek - to by bylo nejlepsi) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > Ten vzduch nemusi byt vubec teply, staci kdyz fouka (desublimace). > Spis slo o to, co s instalaci za oknem, ty husy krky uz muzou byt jen zajimavy bonus. > > > u cerpadla je to jiny problem. Se vzduchem bude mit akorat ten problem, > > ze po ceste trochu vychladne. Taky se to bude zanaset prachem, > > pavoukama, mouchama a jinou haveti. Ale jinak vcelku dobrej napad... > > > > Kubajz > > > > Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > > :) je to zajimave reseni, ale to by muselo byt asi pouze v pripade ze mas ten routr dost blizko... za te hadice nebude delsi nez...2..3m... on sam husi krk neni moc tesny a navic na te delce... ten vetrak je sunka.... mas to jak s cerpadlem.. taky nevytlaci vzduch nekonecne daleko ze.... a navic to bude muset byt dost tlusty krk.... > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > > >>Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>Datum: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:47:49 +0200 > > >>P edm t: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > > >> > > >>Taxem resil problem s opocovanim skla u me pokusne instalace optitka za > > >>oknem. No asi po hodince badani me napadlo k oknu namontovat vetrak z PC > > >>zdroje a ejhle funguje to - tak kam fouka proud vzduchu po oroseni ani stopy. > > >>Pak me jeste napadlo, kdyz uz nedaleko vetsiny venkovnich instalaci bezi > > >>router z PC se zdrojem, pritahnout proud vzduchu od vetraku "husim krkem" > > >>primo k cockam, co to udela. V patek to hodlam namontovat a pak poreferuju. > > >> > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Ronja mailing list > > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Mon Oct 11 20:24:19 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Mon Oct 11 20:24:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem In-Reply-To: <003d01c4afc7$98c5f780$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20041011172036Z1300906-18017+3595@mail.centrum.cz> <416AEA20.9621.5C0375@localhost> <003d01c4afc7$98c5f780$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: No, ale to by ten vetrak musel mit peknej tah, aby timdle filtrem mohl sat... ROOTen On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:20:01 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > A na zacatek i konec by stacilo dat nejaky filtr, aby se nedostal humus > do > husiho krku.. > (treba ze starych plynovych masek - to by bylo nejlepsi) > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Oct 11 20:40:43 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Oct 11 20:41:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem Message-ID: <20041011194054Z1302304-18017+6394@mail.centrum.cz> presne tak.... ono to asi zustane fakt jenom takovym bonusem :)... navic, kyz mas blizko PC, tak je mozna i jednodossi z neho vytahnout 12V a dat na cocky standartne odpory.... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Petr Dvo??k > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:24:19 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > > No, ale to by ten vetrak musel mit peknej tah, aby timdle filtrem mohl > sat... > > ROOTen > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:20:01 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > A na zacatek i konec by stacilo dat nejaky filtr, aby se nedostal humus > > do > > husiho krku.. > > (treba ze starych plynovych masek - to by bylo nejlepsi) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Shamanu8 at web.de Mon Oct 11 21:11:12 2004 From: Shamanu8 at web.de (Shamanu8) Date: Mon Oct 11 21:11:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always References: <002101c4aed7$5c6e4a30$0500a8c0@aig1> <41695BDA.5000206@jkl.darktech.org><002c01c4aee8$3c7b8470$0500a8c0@aig1> <4169849D.4030006@katka.biz><004d01c4af01$124e0e70$0500a8c0@aig1> <4169B024.9090503@katka.biz> Message-ID: <004201c4afce$7b9bd330$0500a8c0@aig1> thx alot. this makes realy some things more clear. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] transmitter led glows always > Shamanu8 wrote: > >>> p0l0us wrote: >>> If you connect Tx to power, hpwt led is glowing all the time. >> >> >> Tx? > > Tx means Transmiter modul in this case. > >> you mean the complete transmitter part, TX on transmitter side (CON1), >> TX on twister side (CONN53) or the Tx on RJ45? > > Tx tespoints don't depend if RJ45 is connected to NIC or not. I think it > will be later, when you will tune Tx module with packet fload and > messure distance and PL% [section testing ronja]. But not at this time, > when you are debuging modules. > >> With connect to power you mean only connect with CON12V and CON GND on >> transmitter side? >> Sorry, but it's confusing, if you hear differnt things... > > Tx modul takes power from twister modul as you know. Power 12V goes thru > inductor [L101 (should be a twisted wire)] in Rx module and direct thru > power exchange cable to Tx modul. So I wrote connected power. I mean > connected shielding of both coaxial cables (on twister at CONN53 GND and > +12V) and exchange cable as well. I have understant that without CON1 > means without connected inner koax wire to Tx module (I mean koax > between Twister conn53 and Tx module). > >> >> To make it more clear: >> I use: >> 1 Twister (RJ 45 (RD+/- TD+/- at CONN52) - was never connected with >> anything) >> 12V supply for twister. >> Conn53 is connected with the transmitter and the receiver. >> 12V and GND between transmitter and receiver. >> >> The "Without signal at CON1" on transmitter side, means for me that >> RJ45(network card) isn't connected with the twister. > > RJ45 on twister (UTP going to NIC) is called CONN52. > > 2Clock: There is nowhere written on > [http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png] what > the CON1 means. > >> So, if RJ45 aren't connected with the twister, my HPWT led is glowing. > > yes. > > if you have connected twister-koax-Tx, exchange cable and shielding of > Rx-twister koax, Tx hwt led should shine. If you disconnect one of > these, Tx hpwt shouldn't shine. On twister shold shine only yellow, > sometimes the green Rx led. (means without RJ45 connected to nic and > with twister power supplyed). > >> >>> In manual is written: >>> with signal at con1, P6max = P8/2+0.6 .. should be about 3.2V >>> without signal at con1 P6max = P8 .. should be about 5V >>> >>> what is wrong ? >>> >> I don't know if in the "without signal at con1" part means without >> RJ45 Signal (no data transfair), >> or only without CON1 connected. >> > Is everything clear ? > 2Clock is everything true ? > > p0l0us > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Mon Oct 11 22:59:13 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Oct 11 22:53:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem In-Reply-To: References: <20041011172036Z1300906-18017+3595@mail.centrum.cz> <416AEA20.9621.5C0375@localhost> <003d01c4afc7$98c5f780$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <416B0231.8090106@katka.biz> Kdyz beznym husim krkem do zdi prochazi vzduch, tak neprijemne piska. Mam to prakticky overeno tahanim vzduchu skrz husi krk delky cca 1.5m do plic. Cim vetsi ma prumer, tim tuto vlastnost straci. p0l0us Petr Dvo??k wrote: > No, ale to by ten vetrak musel mit peknej tah, aby timdle filtrem > mohl sat... > > ROOTen > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:20:01 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa > wrote: > >> A na zacatek i konec by stacilo dat nejaky filtr, aby se nedostal >> humus do >> husiho krku.. >> (treba ze starych plynovych masek - to by bylo nejlepsi) > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Oct 12 06:55:15 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Oct 12 06:53:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem In-Reply-To: <416B0231.8090106@katka.biz> References: Message-ID: <416B8DE3.23458.3583A@localhost> Aspon bude piskanim plasit mysi a ptaky. Mame jich na pude celkem dost. > Kdyz beznym husim krkem do zdi prochazi vzduch, tak neprijemne piska. > Mam to prakticky overeno tahanim vzduchu skrz husi krk delky cca 1.5m do > plic. Cim vetsi ma prumer, tim tuto vlastnost straci. > > p0l0us > > Petr Dvo ?k wrote: > > > No, ale to by ten vetrak musel mit peknej tah, aby timdle filtrem > > mohl sat... > > > > ROOTen > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:20:01 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa > > wrote: > > > >> A na zacatek i konec by stacilo dat nejaky filtr, aby se nedostal > >> humus do > >> husiho krku.. > >> (treba ze starych plynovych masek - to by bylo nejlepsi) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Tue Oct 12 07:01:33 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Tue Oct 12 07:02:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48AB0A@vestex01.vest.corp> Ale fakt to bude chtit nejaky filtr. Jinak bude za chvili maximalnim zpusobem zasrany okno/cocky. Staci se kouknout na pc board blizko procesorovyho vetraku. A jestli se na pude prasi... -- Kosac > > Aspon bude piskanim plasit mysi a ptaky. Mame jich na pude > celkem dost. > > > Kdyz beznym husim krkem do zdi prochazi vzduch, tak > neprijemne piska. > > Mam to prakticky overeno tahanim vzduchu skrz husi krk > delky cca 1.5m do > > plic. Cim vetsi ma prumer, tim tuto vlastnost straci. > > > > p0l0us > > > > Petr Dvo ?k wrote: > > > > > No, ale to by ten vetrak musel mit peknej tah, aby timdle filtrem > > > mohl sat... > > > > > > ROOTen > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:20:01 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> A na zacatek i konec by stacilo dat nejaky filtr, aby se > nedostal > > >> humus do > > >> husiho krku.. > > >> (treba ze starych plynovych masek - to by bylo nejlepsi) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Oct 12 11:34:34 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Oct 12 11:35:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem Message-ID: <20041012103447Z1304080-18017+24006@mail.centrum.cz> to je fakt. propti pavoukum filtr neni problem, ale kdyz tam das neco proti prachu tak to ten vetrak nema sanci utahnout... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: > Komu: > Datum: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:01:33 +0200 > P?edm?t: RE: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > > > Ale fakt to bude chtit nejaky filtr. Jinak bude > za chvili maximalnim zpusobem zasrany okno/cocky. > Staci se kouknout na pc board blizko procesorovyho > vetraku. A jestli se na pude prasi... > -- > Kosac > > > > > > Aspon bude piskanim plasit mysi a ptaky. Mame jich na pude > > celkem dost. > > > > > Kdyz beznym husim krkem do zdi prochazi vzduch, tak > > neprijemne piska. > > > Mam to prakticky overeno tahanim vzduchu skrz husi krk > > delky cca 1.5m do > > > plic. Cim vetsi ma prumer, tim tuto vlastnost straci. > > > > > > p0l0us > > > > > > Petr Dvo ?k wrote: > > > > > > > No, ale to by ten vetrak musel mit peknej tah, aby timdle filtrem > > > > mohl sat... > > > > > > > > ROOTen > > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:20:01 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> A na zacatek i konec by stacilo dat nejaky filtr, aby se > > nedostal > > > >> humus do > > > >> husiho krku.. > > > >> (treba ze starych plynovych masek - to by bylo nejlepsi) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Tue Oct 12 13:35:16 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Tue Oct 12 13:35:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem In-Reply-To: <20041012103447Z1304080-18017+24006@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20041012103447Z1304080-18017+24006@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: No jako tadle diskuze je celkem na nic.. nevidim pro to zadny vyuziti.. je to spise takova perlicka vyvoje :) ROOTen On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:34:34 +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > to je fakt. propti pavoukum filtr neni problem, ale kdyz tam das neco > proti prachu tak to ten vetrak nema sanci utahnout... > > ______________________________________________________________ >> Od: >> Komu: >> Datum: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:01:33 +0200 >> P?edm?t: RE: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem >> >> >> Ale fakt to bude chtit nejaky filtr. Jinak bude >> za chvili maximalnim zpusobem zasrany okno/cocky. >> Staci se kouknout na pc board blizko procesorovyho >> vetraku. A jestli se na pude prasi... >> -- >> Kosac >> >> >> > >> > Aspon bude piskanim plasit mysi a ptaky. Mame jich na pude >> > celkem dost. >> > >> > > Kdyz beznym husim krkem do zdi prochazi vzduch, tak >> > neprijemne piska. >> > > Mam to prakticky overeno tahanim vzduchu skrz husi krk >> > delky cca 1.5m do >> > > plic. Cim vetsi ma prumer, tim tuto vlastnost straci. >> > > >> > > p0l0us >> > > >> > > Petr Dvo ?k wrote: >> > > >> > > > No, ale to by ten vetrak musel mit peknej tah, aby timdle filtrem >> > > > mohl sat... >> > > > >> > > > ROOTen >> > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:20:01 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa >> > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> A na zacatek i konec by stacilo dat nejaky filtr, aby se >> > nedostal >> > > >> humus do >> > > >> husiho krku.. >> > > >> (treba ze starych plynovych masek - to by bylo nejlepsi) >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Ronja mailing list >> > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ronja mailing list >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Oct 12 16:42:36 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Oct 12 16:42:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem References: <20041012103447Z1304080-18017+24006@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001501c4b072$1fd946f0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Ale nepovidej.... Kazdej moc dobre vi, ze nejlepsi a nejuzitecnejsi vynalezy vznikly omylem.... A treba tohle je pocatek jednoho takoveho omylu ;-) Nebo taky ne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Dvo??k" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > No jako tadle diskuze je celkem na nic.. nevidim pro to zadny vyuziti.. je > to spise takova perlicka vyvoje :) > > ROOTen > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:34:34 +0200, Jakub Michn?k > wrote: > > > to je fakt. propti pavoukum filtr neni problem, ale kdyz tam das neco > > proti prachu tak to ten vetrak nema sanci utahnout... > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > >> Od: > >> Komu: > >> Datum: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:01:33 +0200 > >> P?edm?t: RE: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > >> > >> > >> Ale fakt to bude chtit nejaky filtr. Jinak bude > >> za chvili maximalnim zpusobem zasrany okno/cocky. > >> Staci se kouknout na pc board blizko procesorovyho > >> vetraku. A jestli se na pude prasi... > >> -- > >> Kosac > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Aspon bude piskanim plasit mysi a ptaky. Mame jich na pude > >> > celkem dost. > >> > > >> > > Kdyz beznym husim krkem do zdi prochazi vzduch, tak > >> > neprijemne piska. > >> > > Mam to prakticky overeno tahanim vzduchu skrz husi krk > >> > delky cca 1.5m do > >> > > plic. Cim vetsi ma prumer, tim tuto vlastnost straci. > >> > > > >> > > p0l0us > >> > > > >> > > Petr Dvo ?k wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > No, ale to by ten vetrak musel mit peknej tah, aby timdle filtrem > >> > > > mohl sat... > >> > > > > >> > > > ROOTen > >> > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:20:01 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa > >> > > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> A na zacatek i konec by stacilo dat nejaky filtr, aby se > >> > nedostal > >> > > >> humus do > >> > > >> husiho krku.. > >> > > >> (treba ze starych plynovych masek - to by bylo nejlepsi) > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Ronja mailing list > >> > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Ronja mailing list > >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Tue Oct 12 16:48:22 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Tue Oct 12 16:48:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem In-Reply-To: <001501c4b072$1fd946f0$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20041012103447Z1304080-18017+24006@mail.centrum.cz> <001501c4b072$1fd946f0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: Myslim ze tim akorat spamujeme odebiratele Ronja mailing listu.. :D ROOTen On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:42:36 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Ale nepovidej.... > > Kazdej moc dobre vi, ze nejlepsi a nejuzitecnejsi vynalezy vznikly > omylem.... A treba tohle je pocatek jednoho takoveho omylu ;-) > > Nebo taky ne. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Dvo??k" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > > >> No jako tadle diskuze je celkem na nic.. nevidim pro to zadny vyuziti.. >> je >> to spise takova perlicka vyvoje :) >> >> ROOTen >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:34:34 +0200, Jakub Michn?k .cz> >> wrote: >> >> > to je fakt. propti pavoukum filtr neni problem, ale kdyz tam das neco >> > proti prachu tak to ten vetrak nema sanci utahnout... >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> >> Od: >> >> Komu: >> >> Datum: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:01:33 +0200 >> >> P?edm?t: RE: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem >> >> >> >> >> >> Ale fakt to bude chtit nejaky filtr. Jinak bude >> >> za chvili maximalnim zpusobem zasrany okno/cocky. >> >> Staci se kouknout na pc board blizko procesorovyho >> >> vetraku. A jestli se na pude prasi... >> >> -- >> >> Kosac >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Aspon bude piskanim plasit mysi a ptaky. Mame jich na pude >> >> > celkem dost. >> >> > >> >> > > Kdyz beznym husim krkem do zdi prochazi vzduch, tak >> >> > neprijemne piska. >> >> > > Mam to prakticky overeno tahanim vzduchu skrz husi krk >> >> > delky cca 1.5m do >> >> > > plic. Cim vetsi ma prumer, tim tuto vlastnost straci. >> >> > > >> >> > > p0l0us >> >> > > >> >> > > Petr Dvo ?k wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > > No, ale to by ten vetrak musel mit peknej tah, aby timdle >> filtrem >> >> > > > mohl sat... >> >> > > > >> >> > > > ROOTen >> >> > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:20:01 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa >> >> > >> >> > > > wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> A na zacatek i konec by stacilo dat nejaky filtr, aby se >> >> > nedostal >> >> > > >> humus do >> >> > > >> husiho krku.. >> >> > > >> (treba ze starych plynovych masek - to by bylo nejlepsi) >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> >> > > Ronja mailing list >> >> > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> >> > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Ronja mailing list >> >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ronja mailing list >> >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ronja mailing list >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Oct 12 17:15:50 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Oct 12 17:16:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem Message-ID: <20041012161550Z1306511-18025+33091@mail.centrum.cz> nebo taky ne :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Jaroslav Mixa" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:42:36 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > > Ale nepovidej.... > > Kazdej moc dobre vi, ze nejlepsi a nejuzitecnejsi vynalezy vznikly > omylem.... A treba tohle je pocatek jednoho takoveho omylu ;-) > > Nebo taky ne. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Dvo??k" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > > > > No jako tadle diskuze je celkem na nic.. nevidim pro to zadny vyuziti.. je > > to spise takova perlicka vyvoje :) > > > > ROOTen > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:34:34 +0200, Jakub Michn?k > > wrote: > > > > > to je fakt. propti pavoukum filtr neni problem, ale kdyz tam das neco > > > proti prachu tak to ten vetrak nema sanci utahnout... > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > >> Od: > > >> Komu: > > >> Datum: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:01:33 +0200 > > >> P?edm?t: RE: [Ronja] Ronja za oknem > > >> > > >> > > >> Ale fakt to bude chtit nejaky filtr. Jinak bude > > >> za chvili maximalnim zpusobem zasrany okno/cocky. > > >> Staci se kouknout na pc board blizko procesorovyho > > >> vetraku. A jestli se na pude prasi... > > >> -- > > >> Kosac > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > Aspon bude piskanim plasit mysi a ptaky. Mame jich na pude > > >> > celkem dost. > > >> > > > >> > > Kdyz beznym husim krkem do zdi prochazi vzduch, tak > > >> > neprijemne piska. > > >> > > Mam to prakticky overeno tahanim vzduchu skrz husi krk > > >> > delky cca 1.5m do > > >> > > plic. Cim vetsi ma prumer, tim tuto vlastnost straci. > > >> > > > > >> > > p0l0us > > >> > > > > >> > > Petr Dvo ?k wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > No, ale to by ten vetrak musel mit peknej tah, aby timdle filtrem > > >> > > > mohl sat... > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ROOTen > > >> > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:20:01 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa > > >> > > > >> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> A na zacatek i konec by stacilo dat nejaky filtr, aby se > > >> > nedostal > > >> > > >> humus do > > >> > > >> husiho krku.. > > >> > > >> (treba ze starych plynovych masek - to by bylo nejlepsi) > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > Ronja mailing list > > >> > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >> > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Ronja mailing list > > >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> > > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Ronja mailing list > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From hollari1 at gmx.at Wed Oct 13 23:10:50 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Wed Oct 13 23:10:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Whats up ? References: <20041013110037.10249gmx1@mx006.gmx.net> Message-ID: <3026.1097705450@www34.gmx.net> Hi to everyone ! I have a working "original" Ronja, and i want to build a Ronja-Twister now. Why is there so much talk about this theme on this mailing list ? Are there any problems ? Some reason not to build it ? Sorry for this stupid questions, i dont speak cech. Sigi -- GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++ From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 14 08:25:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 14 08:25:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Whats up ? In-Reply-To: <3026.1097705450@www34.gmx.net> References: <20041013110037.10249gmx1@mx006.gmx.net> <3026.1097705450@www34.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20041014072527.GC8507@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 12:10:50AM +0200, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > > Hi to everyone ! > > I have a working "original" Ronja, and i want to build a Ronja-Twister now. > > Why is there so much talk about this theme on this mailing list ? > > Are there any problems ? No there aren't any known unresolved problems on Ronja Tetrapolis IIRC. The last one was regarding EM vulnerability of the interconnect cable to lightning and power transmitters (like CB 27MHz). It was supposedly solved by changing the cables to shielded. Another one was concerning mysterious rare problem that manifested as lower range of RX which resumed to normal when C153 was removed. This was examinated, probable cause determined and a fix issued which consists of additional capacitor C154. If your Ronja includes mechanics and is installed, you are welcome to send photos :) Cl< > > Some reason not to build it ? > > Sorry for this stupid questions, > i dont speak cech. > > Sigi > > > -- > GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail > +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 14 19:55:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 14 19:55:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Fotos In-Reply-To: <20509.1097762060@www17.gmx.net> References: <20041014110019.11390gmx1@mx052.gmx.net> <20509.1097762060@www17.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20041014185549.GA10203@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 03:54:20PM +0200, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > > You can have some Photos already now. > > (although its not installed yet) > But i dont know when i will do this, > because WLAN is a lot easier to install > and fast enough for my internet connection. > > The other point is that now i am using 6x100Ah > Batteries with a wind-Charger and some solar > modules for operating an Accesspoint on a Hill. You are going to need about 2.6W for electronics and 2W for heating. Per one link on the tower. Your current setup takes 3W from what you said. There are some plans to DIY 1.5kW windmill. At the same URL there are also models as small as 400W. They seem to be built pretty easily from scrap parts. http://www.otherpower.com/bigmills3.html Maybe a Savonius made from an old oil drum and a car alternator would do the job fine too. Cl< > > I think Ronja would need a lot too much power > for running that way. > (The AP needs approx. 600mA @ 5Volts and runs 3 long distance links !!) > > But anyway i have a lot of fotos from my Ronja that i can > send to you, if you want. > > Regards, Sigi > > -- > GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail > +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++ > From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 16 15:26:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Oct 16 15:26:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <09b42b14211647089d69017dc6bc9f12@atlas.sk> References: <09b42b14211647089d69017dc6bc9f12@atlas.sk> Message-ID: <20041016142651.GC21017@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 02:55:30AM +0200, Dufko Dufus wrote: > cauko nasiel som na teba odkaz , chcem sa sp?ta? ci nahodou nemas na ronju > BPW43 a HPWT-BD00-F4000 alebo HPWT-BD00-E4000 potreboval bi som po ?tyri kusy > , setko uz mam iba toto sa mi nedari zohnat Ne, viz homepage ronji http://ronja.twibright.com, Where To Get Necessary Parts. Cl< > dik za odpoved > > From honza at hoidekr.net Sat Oct 16 17:16:29 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Honza Hoidekr) Date: Sat Oct 16 17:16:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 - DIL14 vs DIL8 In-Reply-To: <20041016142651.GC21017@beton.cybernet.src> References: <09b42b14211647089d69017dc6bc9f12@atlas.sk> <20041016142651.GC21017@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <17700.62.141.25.1.1097943389.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Zdravim, konecne jsme se dostali na vymenu NE592 DIL8 za DIL14 a overit tak diskuzi, kteru tu probehla. Vysledek? Dosah na stole s DIL8 byl max 1m. Po vymene za DIL14 se dosah zvysil na vice nez dvojnasobek, pres 2m pri dennim svetle! Nemenili jsme nic jineho nez svab NE592. Co na to rikate? Honza From andy at intercomp.info Sat Oct 16 17:52:23 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Sat Oct 16 17:36:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Fwd: =?iso-8859-2?q?UTP=A0Filter?= Message-ID: <4081.212.191.40.4.1097945543.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Hello, In every hub or NIC card there is some filter, which is connected to 4 wires of UTP. As I know ,from previous answers in mailing list, there is chance to use longer UTP cabble (longer than 1m). Somebody said (Clock I think) that it could be possible to enlarge lenght of cabble by using those filters (from 10Mbps NIC's etc), but not so far as normaly 100 meters, I mean ,shorter distance. Is this true, or I'm wrong ? Is anybody tested this (distance, working etc.) ??? If it is possible to enlarge, then HOWTO connect this filter into UTP wires ? Those Filters are 16-pin.... I saw also resistors connected to every pin in this filer...(beetween IC and Fiter on NIC or HUB). In every cases there is 49R value. Should I also use resistors ? If yes, then in which value ? I have also question about cabble leng of power exchange.... What it will be happen when I will connect longest Power Exchange cabble than 1.6m (for example 20 meter) ???? Thanks for answer. From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 16 21:21:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Oct 16 21:21:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Fwd: =?iso-8859-1?Q?UTP=A0Filt?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?er?= In-Reply-To: <4081.212.191.40.4.1097945543.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <4081.212.191.40.4.1097945543.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20041016202146.GA22026@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 06:52:23PM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > > Hello, > > In every hub or NIC card there is some filter, which is connected to 4 > wires of UTP. > As I know ,from previous answers in mailing list, there is chance to use > longer UTP cabble (longer than 1m). > Somebody said (Clock I think) that it could be possible to enlarge lenght > of cabble by using those filters (from 10Mbps NIC's etc), but not so far > as normaly 100 meters, I mean ,shorter distance. > Is this true, or I'm wrong ? Is anybody tested this (distance, working > etc.) ??? The Twister could be redesigned to simply support full length, which would however involve not only adding a filter. > > If it is possible to enlarge, then HOWTO connect this filter into UTP > wires ? Those Filters are 16-pin.... > I saw also resistors connected to every pin in this filer...(beetween IC > and Fiter on NIC or HUB). In every cases there is 49R value. > > Should I also use resistors ? If yes, then in which value ? > > > I have also question about cabble leng of power exchange.... > What it will be happen when I will connect longest Power Exchange cabble > than 1.6m (for example 20 meter) ???? There is going to be a voltage drop over the cable which is dependent on it's resistance. Cl< > > Thanks for answer. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 16 21:23:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Oct 16 21:23:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 - DIL14 vs DIL8 In-Reply-To: <17700.62.141.25.1.1097943389.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> References: <09b42b14211647089d69017dc6bc9f12@atlas.sk> <20041016142651.GC21017@beton.cybernet.src> <17700.62.141.25.1.1097943389.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Message-ID: <20041016202340.GB22026@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 06:16:29PM +0200, Honza Hoidekr wrote: > Zdravim, > konecne jsme se dostali na vymenu NE592 DIL8 za DIL14 a overit tak > diskuzi, kteru tu probehla. Vysledek? > Dosah na stole s DIL8 byl max 1m. Po vymene za DIL14 se dosah zvysil na > vice nez dvojnasobek, pres 2m pri dennim svetle! > Nemenili jsme nic jineho nez svab NE592. > > Co na to rikate? Jsem rad ze jsem DIL8 pred casem z navodu vyhodil. Cl< From spider at fonoc.net Sun Oct 17 15:22:54 2004 From: spider at fonoc.net (hola) Date: Sun Oct 17 14:23:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 - DIL14 vs DIL8 In-Reply-To: <20041016202340.GB22026@beton.cybernet.src> References: <09b42b14211647089d69017dc6bc9f12@atlas.sk> <20041016142651.GC21017@beton.cybernet.src> <17700.62.141.25.1.1097943389.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <20041016202340.GB22026@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1277493247.20041017152254@fonoc.net> Hello Karel, Saturday, October 16, 2004, 9:23:40 PM, you wrote: KK> On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 06:16:29PM +0200, Honza Hoidekr wrote: >> Zdravim, >> konecne jsme se dostali na vymenu NE592 DIL8 za DIL14 a overit tak >> diskuzi, kteru tu probehla. Vysledek? >> Dosah na stole s DIL8 byl max 1m. Po vymene za DIL14 se dosah zvysil na >> vice nez dvojnasobek, pres 2m pri dennim svetle! >> Nemenili jsme nic jineho nez svab NE592. >> >> Co na to rikate? KK> Jsem rad ze jsem DIL8 pred casem z navodu vyhodil. I don't understand this, is there difference between DIL8 and DIL14 ? From andy at intercomp.info Sun Oct 17 15:35:32 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Sun Oct 17 15:19:56 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Fwd:=A0UTP=A0Filter?= In-Reply-To: <20041016202146.GA22026@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4081.212.191.40.4.1097945543.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20041016202146.GA22026@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1044.195.205.177.214.1098023732.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> > On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 06:52:23PM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> In every hub or NIC card there is some filter, which is connected to 4 >> wires of UTP. >> As I know ,from previous answers in mailing list, there is chance to use >> longer UTP cabble (longer than 1m). >> Somebody said (Clock I think) that it could be possible to enlarge >> lenght >> of cabble by using those filters (from 10Mbps NIC's etc), but not so far >> as normaly 100 meters, I mean ,shorter distance. >> Is this true, or I'm wrong ? Is anybody tested this (distance, working >> etc.) ??? > > The Twister could be redesigned to simply support full length, which would > however involve not only adding a filter. How to do that ? > >> >> If it is possible to enlarge, then HOWTO connect this filter into UTP >> wires ? Those Filters are 16-pin.... >> I saw also resistors connected to every pin in this filer...(beetween >> IC >> and Fiter on NIC or HUB). In every cases there is 49R value. >> >> Should I also use resistors ? If yes, then in which value ? >> >> >> I have also question about cabble leng of power exchange.... >> What it will be happen when I will connect longest Power Exchange cabble >> than 1.6m (for example 20 meter) ???? > > There is going to be a voltage drop over the cable which is dependent > on it's resistance. But why I can use 100m lenght of signal coaxial TV cable to TX (GND,signal) head and 100m to Rx head (12V,signal) ??? There is also resistance. > > Cl< >> >> Thanks for answer. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Sun Oct 17 15:27:31 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Oct 17 15:21:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 - DIL14 vs DIL8 In-Reply-To: <17700.62.141.25.1.1097943389.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> References: <09b42b14211647089d69017dc6bc9f12@atlas.sk> <20041016142651.GC21017@beton.cybernet.src> <17700.62.141.25.1.1097943389.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Message-ID: <41728153.9030101@katka.biz> Honza Hoidekr wrote: >Zdravim, >konecne jsme se dostali na vymenu NE592 DIL8 za DIL14 a overit tak >diskuzi, kteru tu probehla. Vysledek? >Dosah na stole s DIL8 byl max 1m. Po vymene za DIL14 se dosah zvysil na >vice nez dvojnasobek, pres 2m pri dennim svetle! >Nemenili jsme nic jineho nez svab NE592. > >Co na to rikate? > >Honza > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > here is written that they (Honza&spol) messured max distance with 0%packet loss. with dil8 ... about 1meter with dil14 .. about 2meters. =================================== Dil8 has been removed from component list few month ago. So, don't use dil8. From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Oct 17 20:37:28 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sun Oct 17 20:37:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Spoj ve Zdare n./Saz. In-Reply-To: <1044.195.205.177.214.1098023732.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <4081.212.191.40.4.1097945543.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20041016202146.GA22026@beton.cybernet.src> <1044.195.205.177.214.1098023732.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <4172C9F8.4020600@sattnet.cz> Po 3. posilam informaci o tom, ze spoj, dlouhy 1205m , jede. Mechanika kompletne prevzata, 130mm design. Elektronika - moduly v hnizdech, interface 2x Twister. Pouzite LED -2x HPWT-BD-E4000 a 2x SFH203. Na obou stranach RSSI max 710mV. Spoj slouzi jako spoj v neziskove siti. Url: http://web.wifistar.net/ Fotky: http://web.wifistar.net/docs/imgs/ doporucuji projit adresar *.Mounted, jsou tam i nejake nocni pohledy. Ve slozce *.Mechanics by mela byt ronja nemountnuta, Tak snad tentokrate uz to vyjde ;-). -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 18 07:53:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 18 07:53:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Spoj ve Zdare n./Saz. In-Reply-To: <4172C9F8.4020600@sattnet.cz> References: <4081.212.191.40.4.1097945543.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20041016202146.GA22026@beton.cybernet.src> <1044.195.205.177.214.1098023732.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <4172C9F8.4020600@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20041018065350.GA4709@beton.cybernet.src> Jednou jsem to zkousel stahovat a neslo se tam vubec pripojit tak jsem to nejak odlozil nebo na to zapomnel, ja uz nevim. Diky za pripomenuti. Ale ted to jede stejne nejak pomalu asi 1.5kB/s Cl< On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 09:37:28PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Po 3. posilam informaci o tom, ze spoj, dlouhy 1205m , jede. > Mechanika kompletne prevzata, 130mm design. > Elektronika - moduly v hnizdech, interface 2x Twister. Pouzite LED -2x > HPWT-BD-E4000 a 2x SFH203. Na obou stranach RSSI max 710mV. > Spoj slouzi jako spoj v neziskove siti. Url: http://web.wifistar.net/ > > Fotky: > http://web.wifistar.net/docs/imgs/ > doporucuji projit adresar *.Mounted, jsou tam i nejake nocni pohledy. Ve > slozce *.Mechanics by mela byt ronja nemountnuta, > > Tak snad tentokrate uz to vyjde ;-). > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jojo at matfyz.cz Mon Oct 18 07:58:08 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Mon Oct 18 07:58:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Spoj ve Zdare n./Saz. In-Reply-To: <20041018065350.GA4709@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4081.212.191.40.4.1097945543.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20041016202146.GA22026@beton.cybernet.src> <1044.195.205.177.214.1098023732.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <4172C9F8.4020600@sattnet.cz> <20041018065350.GA4709@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041018065808.GA7482@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Docasny mirror (wget -mirror) mozete najst na http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~cernm0bm/web.wifistar.net/docs/imgs/ Majo > Jednou jsem to zkousel stahovat a neslo se tam vubec pripojit tak jsem > to nejak odlozil nebo na to zapomnel, ja uz nevim. Diky za pripomenuti. > Ale ted to jede stejne nejak pomalu asi 1.5kB/s > > > Fotky: > > http://web.wifistar.net/docs/imgs/ > > doporucuji projit adresar *.Mounted, jsou tam i nejake nocni pohledy. Ve > > slozce *.Mechanics by mela byt ronja nemountnuta, -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 18 07:59:31 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Oct 18 07:58:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 - DIL14 vs DIL8 In-Reply-To: <17700.62.141.25.1.1097943389.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> References: <20041016142651.GC21017@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <417385F3.11071.EF03D@localhost> Vypada to ze problem je v poctu nozicek - kdyz se u 14pin verze nepripoji vsechny na zem, tak se to chova stejne jak 8pin. > Zdravim, > konecne jsme se dostali na vymenu NE592 DIL8 za DIL14 a overit tak > diskuzi, kteru tu probehla. Vysledek? > Dosah na stole s DIL8 byl max 1m. Po vymene za DIL14 se dosah zvysil na > vice nez dvojnasobek, pres 2m pri dennim svetle! > Nemenili jsme nic jineho nez svab NE592. > > Co na to rikate? > > Honza From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 18 08:03:04 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Oct 18 08:01:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <20041011171940.GA1218@beton.cybernet.src> References: <416ADC5C.5323.263CA7@localhost> Message-ID: <417386C8.26631.122FEB@localhost> On 11 Oct 2004 at 17:19, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 07:17:48PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Testoval jsem takovouhle konfiguraci PC1 s RTL8139 smejd - 60m UTP (napajeni pres 4 > > nevyuzite zily) - trafo 20F001- twister - "crosstwister" kabel - twister - 1m UTP dle navodu - > > PC2 s RTL8139C. > > > > "crosstwister kabel" - prekrizene TX,RX + vede napajeni, takze se ke zdroji pripojuje jen jeden > > twister > > > > Problem: > > 1) data neprochazi - oba twistery napajeny ze 60m vzdaleneho PC1 a "zeme" PC2 NENI s > > twisterem propojena > > > > 2) data prochazi - -//- ale "zeme" PC2 JE s twisterem propojena > > > > Z toho cicham eventuelne pruser pokud by se twister napajel z plovouciho zdroje ("vietnamska > > kostka", universalni adapter Hama...) a nikde nebyl prizemnen. > > Dodavam, ze pro to nemam v soucasne dobe zadne rozumne vysvetleni. > > Muzes tentyz problem reprodukovat tak, ze Twistery budou zapojene podle navodu > (tzn. bez trafek a s 1m kablem)? Napajeny muzou bejt snad jakkoliv pokud na > nich bude napeti pripominajici 12V. > > Cl< Tak jsem to zkousel dle Clockem predepsane konfigurace a fungovalo to, nicmene se objevoval lehky packetloss. Na napajeni jsem pouzil plovouci laboratorni zdroj. Nekdy o vykendu si to jeste premerim s tim 60m dlouhym kabelem. From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 18 08:02:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 18 08:02:47 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?oFtSb25qYV2gRndkOqBV?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?TP=A0Filter?= In-Reply-To: <1044.195.205.177.214.1098023732.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <4081.212.191.40.4.1097945543.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20041016202146.GA22026@beton.cybernet.src> <1044.195.205.177.214.1098023732.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20041018070245.GB4709@beton.cybernet.src> > But why I can use 100m lenght of signal coaxial TV cable to TX > (GND,signal) head and 100m to Rx head (12V,signal) ??? > There is also resistance. Coaxes have lots of copper in the shield. Previously it could be possible by using thick enough double unshielded cord however power exchange had to be changed to coaxial due to probable problems with HF interference. It will be possible to change it back as soon ad the RX will be redesigned to something more complicated. So you can sacrifice HF immunity by using this. Or you can use the coax but you have to measure the voltage on the RX and TX. If it is going too low, the range can degrade. Cl< > > > > > Cl< > >> > >> Thanks for answer. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 18 08:03:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 18 08:03:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 - DIL14 vs DIL8 In-Reply-To: <1277493247.20041017152254@fonoc.net> References: <09b42b14211647089d69017dc6bc9f12@atlas.sk> <20041016142651.GC21017@beton.cybernet.src> <17700.62.141.25.1.1097943389.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <20041016202340.GB22026@beton.cybernet.src> <1277493247.20041017152254@fonoc.net> Message-ID: <20041018070321.GC4709@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 03:22:54PM +0100, hola wrote: > Hello Karel, > > Saturday, October 16, 2004, 9:23:40 PM, you wrote: > > KK> On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 06:16:29PM +0200, Honza Hoidekr wrote: > >> Zdravim, > >> konecne jsme se dostali na vymenu NE592 DIL8 za DIL14 a overit tak > >> diskuzi, kteru tu probehla. Vysledek? > >> Dosah na stole s DIL8 byl max 1m. Po vymene za DIL14 se dosah zvysil na > >> vice nez dvojnasobek, pres 2m pri dennim svetle! > >> Nemenili jsme nic jineho nez svab NE592. > >> > >> Co na to rikate? > > KK> Jsem rad ze jsem DIL8 pred casem z navodu vyhodil. > > I don't understand this, is there difference between DIL8 and DIL14 ? Yes DIL8 is forbidden in the guide and DIL14 is used in the guide. Cl< > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 18 12:49:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 18 12:49:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M In-Reply-To: <6305779e837eef37755b8c2eedc63030@www2.mail.volny.cz> References: <20041008093743.GH2120@beton.cybernet.src> <6305779e837eef37755b8c2eedc63030@www2.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041018114908.GB5278@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:42:06AM +0200, deadman_kt@volny.cz wrote: > jeste jeden dotaz pls > je nutne aby na konci Ronji bylo PC? > mam fungovat jako retranslacni stanice na ktere smim parazitovat Ne muze tam byt cokoliv. Pokud chceme full duplex, tak to cokoliv musi byt schopno nastavit port do 10Mbps full duplex natvrdo bez autonegotiation. CL< > tzn. lika je: Ronja - switch - DWL-900AP+ D-LINK DWL-900AP+ C2 22 > Mbps AP/Brg/Kl a moje pc by nemuselo stale bezet > > D > DeadMan > > > ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- > Od: "Karel Kulhav?" > Komu: deadman_kt@volny.cz > P?edm?t: Re: Zivot, vesmir a RONJA 10M > Datum: 8.10.2004 - 11:37:45 > > > On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 10:38:17AM +0200, deadman_kt@volny.cz > > wrote: > > > mam dotaz. Mam budovat wifi sit prvni vzdalenost je 680 m a > > > druha > > > 1360m (mereno infomapou) tech 1360m se tahne z udoli na > kopec. > > pri prumeru 130mm je realne ze to utahne RONJA 10M? > potazmo > > > jaky > > > vliv bude mit mlha? existuji nekde nejake reference na tuhle > > > > Na vliv mlhy jsou grafy: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > > > > > vzdalenost? > > > Dik DeadMan > > > Ps kamarad mi rikal ze naklady na 1 bridge (4 roury + > > > elektrika)se pohybuji okolo 2Kkc je to pravda? Pps jestli > > > > Je to 4kKc. 2kKc jsou na jednu stranu. > > > > Cl< > > > > -- > A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? > http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka > Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! > From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 18 13:01:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 18 13:01:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <417386C8.26631.122FEB@localhost> References: <416ADC5C.5323.263CA7@localhost> <417386C8.26631.122FEB@localhost> Message-ID: <20041018120156.GA5404@beton.cybernet.src> > Tak jsem to zkousel dle Clockem predepsane konfigurace a fungovalo to, > nicmene se objevoval lehky packetloss. Na napajeni jsem pouzil plovouci > laboratorni zdroj. > Nekdy o vykendu si to jeste premerim s tim 60m dlouhym kabelem. Ten packetloss asi bude tim kabelem co jsi pouzil k propojeni twisteru. Muzes ho vyfotit nebo popsat? Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 18 17:50:23 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Oct 18 17:49:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <20041018120156.GA5404@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417386C8.26631.122FEB@localhost> Message-ID: <4174106F.21386.107722@localhost> > > Tak jsem to zkousel dle Clockem predepsane konfigurace a fungovalo to, > > nicmene se objevoval lehky packetloss. Na napajeni jsem pouzil plovouci > > laboratorni zdroj. > > Nekdy o vykendu si to jeste premerim s tim 60m dlouhym kabelem. > > Ten packetloss asi bude tim kabelem co jsi pouzil k propojeni twisteru. Muzes > ho vyfotit nebo popsat? > > Cl< > > Na obou koncich 4 pinove konektory se zamkem. Propojeni 2*dvoulinka z UTP 30-50cm dlouha. Zapojeni: 1 - 1 1.par 2 - 3 1.par 3 - 2 2.par 4 - 4 2.par Prekrizeni je tesne u konektoru a externi napajeni se privadi jen na jednu desku. Bezne, pokud je napajeni vytazeno z pocitace hned vedle, tak packetloss 0,000% (RTL8139C proti HUBu s uzemnenym chasis), naproti tomu s plovoucim zdrojem kolem 1%. V tom uplne prvnim problemovem pripade s 60m dlouhym kabelem je navic v dome jeste 2-vodicovy hlinikovy a znacne schatraly rozvod elektriky. From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 18 19:52:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 18 19:52:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <4174106F.21386.107722@localhost> References: <417386C8.26631.122FEB@localhost> <4174106F.21386.107722@localhost> Message-ID: <20041018185205.GA6025@beton.cybernet.src> > Na obou koncich 4 pinove konektory se zamkem. Propojeni 2*dvoulinka z > UTP 30-50cm dlouha. Zapojeni: > 1 - 1 1.par > 2 - 3 1.par > 3 - 2 2.par > 4 - 4 2.par > Prekrizeni je tesne u konektoru a externi napajeni se privadi jen na jednu > desku. Tak zmer napajeci napeti v jednom twisteru a v druhem. Zajima me ubytek na ty dvojlince. Cl< > Bezne, pokud je napajeni vytazeno z pocitace hned vedle, tak packetloss > 0,000% (RTL8139C proti HUBu s uzemnenym chasis), naproti tomu s > plovoucim zdrojem kolem 1%. > V tom uplne prvnim problemovem pripade s 60m dlouhym kabelem je navic v > dome jeste 2-vodicovy hlinikovy a znacne schatraly rozvod elektriky. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 18 19:52:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 18 19:52:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <417422F9.3180.58E3C1@localhost> References: <417422F9.3180.58E3C1@localhost> Message-ID: <20041018185248.GB6025@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 08:09:29PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: Content-Description: Mail message body > V priloze je fotka eth trafa co jsem pripojoval k twisteru. Krome vyobrazeneho > jsem zkousel 20F001N a FB22. A jeste ten packetloss 1% s plovoucim zdrojem co rikas ten je s trafem nebo bez trafa? Cl< > > Petr Seliger Content-Description: Attachment information. > The following section of this message contains a file attachment > prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. > If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, > you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. > If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. > > ---- File information ----------- > File: trafo.jpeg > Date: 18 Oct 2004, 20:06 > Size: 41892 bytes. > Type: JPEG-image From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 18 20:16:15 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Oct 18 20:15:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <20041018185205.GA6025@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4174106F.21386.107722@localhost> Message-ID: <4174329F.17651.96072C@localhost> On 18 Oct 2004 at 18:52, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > Na obou koncich 4 pinove konektory se zamkem. Propojeni 2*dvoulinka z > > UTP 30-50cm dlouha. Zapojeni: > > 1 - 1 1.par > > 2 - 3 1.par > > 3 - 2 2.par > > 4 - 4 2.par > > Prekrizeni je tesne u konektoru a externi napajeni se privadi jen na jednu > > desku. > > Tak zmer napajeci napeti v jednom twisteru a v druhem. Zajima me ubytek > na ty dvojlince. > Zmerim nejdriv v patek. Ale na to bych to nesvadel. > Cl< > > Bezne, pokud je napajeni vytazeno z pocitace hned vedle, tak packetloss > > 0,000% (RTL8139C proti HUBu s uzemnenym chasis), naproti tomu s > > plovoucim zdrojem kolem 1%. > > V tom uplne prvnim problemovem pripade s 60m dlouhym kabelem je navic v > > dome jeste 2-vodicovy hlinikovy a znacne schatraly rozvod elektriky. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 18 20:16:15 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Oct 18 20:15:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <20041018185248.GB6025@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417422F9.3180.58E3C1@localhost> Message-ID: <4174329F.11152.960864@localhost> On 18 Oct 2004 at 18:52, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 08:09:29PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Content-Description: Mail message body > > V priloze je fotka eth trafa co jsem pripojoval k twisteru. Krome vyobrazeneho > > jsem zkousel 20F001N a FB22. > > A jeste ten packetloss 1% s plovoucim zdrojem co rikas ten je s trafem > nebo bez trafa? > Bez. Ja to jeste promerim. Mozna ze problem dela "kralovska smycka" z vystupu 26LS32 pres kondy 220n ke konektoru, ktera vede skoro kolem celeho plosnaku. > Cl< > > > > Petr Seliger From czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz Mon Oct 18 23:04:35 2004 From: czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz (pupik) Date: Mon Oct 18 23:05:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] manag. switch pro vice jak 1 Ronju na 1 ETH (VLAN)? Message-ID: <99248156531.20041019000435@paleo.cz> Dobr? den. Co zarizeni konkretne pouzivate pro pripojeni vice Ronja pojitek na 1 ETH kartu jako VLAN rozhrani? Tedy jaky zarizeni (100 Mbps switch?) si necha nastavit na kazem portu napevno 10 Mbps full duplex ?? Kde presne a za kolik se da poridit? Diky za typy. S?ti zdar! --- Radovan Moser (pupik) http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) ICQ-ID: 15521245 From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 19 09:15:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Oct 19 09:15:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Spoj ve Zdare n./Saz. In-Reply-To: <4172C9F8.4020600@sattnet.cz> References: <4081.212.191.40.4.1097945543.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20041016202146.GA22026@beton.cybernet.src> <1044.195.205.177.214.1098023732.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <4172C9F8.4020600@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20041019081507.GA26248@beton.cybernet.src> D?ky, u? jsem to p?idal do galerie. Cl< On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 09:37:28PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Po 3. posilam informaci o tom, ze spoj, dlouhy 1205m , jede. > Mechanika kompletne prevzata, 130mm design. > Elektronika - moduly v hnizdech, interface 2x Twister. Pouzite LED -2x > HPWT-BD-E4000 a 2x SFH203. Na obou stranach RSSI max 710mV. > Spoj slouzi jako spoj v neziskove siti. Url: http://web.wifistar.net/ > > Fotky: > http://web.wifistar.net/docs/imgs/ > doporucuji projit adresar *.Mounted, jsou tam i nejake nocni pohledy. Ve > slozce *.Mechanics by mela byt ronja nemountnuta, > > Tak snad tentokrate uz to vyjde ;-). > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hel-electronics at gmx.at Tue Oct 19 09:53:46 2004 From: hel-electronics at gmx.at (Helmut Walder) Date: Tue Oct 19 09:53:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Removing me from mailing-list Message-ID: <22760.1098176026@www39.gmx.net> Hallo, can you remove me from the mailing-list, because I only speak german and englisch. Thank you -- GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++ From ales at pilsfree.net Tue Oct 19 14:28:52 2004 From: ales at pilsfree.net (Ales Peroutka) Date: Tue Oct 19 14:28:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) Message-ID: <001e01c4b5df$93973030$32e06d0a@pilsfree.czf> Zdravim. Mel bych tu problem,se kterym bych potreboval pomoct.Sestavu mam-twistery na plosnaku,RX a TX take na PCB v SMD od Kohouta,krabky jsou U-AH102,jako napajeni pouzivam zdroj z PC,koax je z tel. anteny(cca 1m)+F konektory,v TX mam HPWT-...-E4000,v RX BPW43. Twistery jsem odzkousel,jsou v poradku a fcni.Problem nastal v okamziku,kdy jsem k nim pripojil RX a TX.Jestli jsem spravne pochopil,mela zacit svitit ledka na TX-coz se nestalo.Zkontroloval jsem napajeni a zapojeni soucastek,vsechno vypada ze je v dobre.LEDku mam taky dobre zapojenou a je fcni.Zkusil jsem tedy promerit testpointy-vetsina je trochu niz oproti udanym na netu,ale to muze byt zpusobeno tim,ze zdroj dava jen neco kolem 11V (a taky je to v SMD:-)). P8=4,4V,P9=11,1V Zarazil jsem se ale na techto dvou hodnota-spec. P6: P2=3,4V,P6=2,93V Ostatni jsou celkem v poradku a to i na RX.Zmeril jsem take napeti na LEDce proti zemi a je na ni 0,94V(pricemz P7 je v 0mA). Poradite mi nekdo,kde muze byt chyba...Diky moc ALES ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041019/2e5e0032/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 19 15:27:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Oct 19 15:28:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001e01c4b5df$93973030$32e06d0a@pilsfree.czf> References: <001e01c4b5df$93973030$32e06d0a@pilsfree.czf> Message-ID: <20041019142759.GA13606@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 03:28:52PM +0200, Ales Peroutka wrote: > Zdravim. > Mel bych tu problem,se kterym bych potreboval pomoct.Sestavu mam-twistery na > plosnaku,RX a TX take na PCB v SMD od Kohouta,krabky jsou U-AH102,jako > napajeni pouzivam zdroj z PC,koax je z tel. anteny(cca 1m)+F konektory,v TX > mam HPWT-...-E4000,v RX BPW43. Twistery jsem odzkousel,jsou v poradku a > fcni.Problem nastal v okamziku,kdy jsem k nim pripojil RX a TX.Jestli jsem > spravne pochopil,mela zacit svitit ledka na TX-coz se nestalo.Zkontroloval > jsem napajeni a zapojeni soucastek,vsechno vypada ze je v dobre.LEDku mam > taky dobre zapojenou a je fcni.Zkusil jsem tedy promerit testpointy-vetsina > je trochu niz oproti udanym na netu,ale to muze byt zpusobeno tim,ze zdroj > dava jen neco kolem 11V (a taky je to v SMD:-)). RX a TX na PCB se nepodporujou, neb nejsou soucasti Ronji. Cl< > > P8=4,4V,P9=11,1V > > Zarazil jsem se ale na techto dvou hodnota-spec. P6: > P2=3,4V,P6=2,93V > > Ostatni jsou celkem v poradku a to i na RX.Zmeril jsem take napeti na LEDce proti zemi a je na ni 0,94V(pricemz P7 je v 0mA). > Poradite mi nekdo,kde muze byt chyba...Diky moc > ALES > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Tue Oct 19 15:33:47 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Tue Oct 19 15:33:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001e01c4b5df$93973030$32e06d0a@pilsfree.czf> References: <001e01c4b5df$93973030$32e06d0a@pilsfree.czf> Message-ID: Pokud ti tady nikdo neporadi, tak se obrat na Ondru Tesare, ktery je jejich spoluautorem. Z vlasni zkusenosti vim ze rad poradi. ROOTen On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:28:52 +0200, Ales Peroutka wrote: > Zdravim. > Mel bych tu problem,se kterym bych potreboval pomoct.Sestavu > mam-twistery na plosnaku,RX a TX take na PCB v SMD od Kohouta,krabky > jsou U-AH102,jako napajeni pouzivam zdroj z PC,koax je z tel. anteny(cca > 1m)+F konektory,v TX mam HPWT-...-E4000,v RX BPW43. > Twistery jsem odzkousel,jsou v poradku a fcni.Problem nastal v > okamziku,kdy jsem k nim pripojil RX a TX.Jestli jsem spravne > pochopil,mela zacit svitit ledka na TX-coz se nestalo.Zkontroloval jsem > napajeni a zapojeni soucastek,vsechno vypada ze je v dobre.LEDku mam > taky dobre zapojenou a je fcni.Zkusil jsem tedy promerit > testpointy-vetsina je trochu niz oproti udanym na netu,ale to muze byt > zpusobeno tim,ze zdroj dava jen neco kolem 11V (a taky je to v SMD:-)). > > P8=4,4V,P9=11,1V > > Zarazil jsem se ale na techto dvou hodnota-spec. P6: > P2=3,4V,P6=2,93V > > Ostatni jsou celkem v poradku a to i na RX.Zmeril jsem take napeti na > LEDce proti zemi a je na ni 0,94V(pricemz P7 je v 0mA). > Poradite mi nekdo,kde muze byt chyba...Diky moc > ALES -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 19 15:53:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Oct 19 15:53:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Removing me from mailing-list In-Reply-To: <22760.1098176026@www39.gmx.net> References: <22760.1098176026@www39.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20041019145319.GB13606@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:53:46AM +0200, Helmut Walder wrote: > Hallo, > can you remove me from the mailing-list, because I only speak german and > englisch. > Thank you http://lists.pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Oct 19 15:55:43 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Oct 19 15:54:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001e01c4b5df$93973030$32e06d0a@pilsfree.czf> Message-ID: <4175470F.22392.120D66@localhost> On 19 Oct 2004 at 15:28, Ales Peroutka wrote: > > Zdravim. > Mel bych tu problem,se kterym bych potreboval pomoct.Sestavu mam-twistery na plosnaku,RX a TX > take na PCB v SMD od Kohouta,krabky jsou U-AH102,jako napajeni pouzivam zdroj z PC,koax je z > tel. anteny(cca 1m)+F konektory,v TX mam HPWT-...-E4000,v RX BPW43. > Twistery jsem odzkousel,jsou v poradku a fcni.Problem nastal v okamziku,kdy jsem k nim pripojil > RX a TX.Jestli jsem spravne pochopil,mela zacit svitit ledka na TX-coz se nestalo.Zkontroloval jsem > napajeni a zapojeni soucastek,vsechno vypada ze je v dobre.LEDku mam taky dobre zapojenou a je > fcni.Zkusil jsem tedy promerit testpointy-vetsina je trochu niz oproti udanym na netu,ale to muze > byt zpusobeno tim,ze zdroj dava jen neco kolem 11V (ataky je to v SMD:-)). > > P8=4,4V,P9=11,1V > Jestli je P8 vystup stabilizatoru tak je uplne spatne, tam by melo byt (5 +- 0,1)V. Zmer napeti co leze do stabilizatoru, pokud je tam mene nez 7,5V tak je spatny R7 27 Ohm nebo bude spatna civka. Ze by byl spatny stabilizator neverim. > Zarazil jsem se ale na techto dvou hodnota-spec. P6: > P2=3,4V,P6=2,93V > > Ostatni jsou celkem v poradku a to i na RX.Zmeril jsem take napeti na LEDce proti zemi a je na ni > 0,94V(pricemz P7 je v 0mA). > Poradite mi nekdo,kde muze byt chyba...Diky moc > ALES From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Oct 19 18:56:37 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Oct 19 18:56:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001e01c4b5df$93973030$32e06d0a@pilsfree.czf> References: <001e01c4b5df$93973030$32e06d0a@pilsfree.czf> Message-ID: <727326929.20041019195637@volny.cz> Zdravim AP> Zdravim. AP> Mel bych tu problem,se kterym bych potreboval pomoct.Sestavu AP> mam-twistery na plosnaku,RX a TX take na PCB v SMD od AP> Kohouta,krabky jsou U-AH102,jako napajeni pouzivam zdroj z PC,koax AP> je z tel. anteny(cca 1m)+F konektory,v TX mam HPWT-...-E4000,v RX AP> BPW43. AP> Twistery jsem odzkousel,jsou v poradku a fcni.Problem nastal AP> v okamziku,kdy jsem k nim pripojil RX a TX.Jestli jsem spravne AP> pochopil,mela zacit svitit ledka na TX Jo mela. AP> coz se nestalo.Zkontroloval AP> jsem napajeni a zapojeni soucastek,vsechno vypada ze je v AP> dobre.LEDku mam taky dobre zapojenou a je fcni.Zkusil jsem tedy AP> promerit testpointy-vetsina je trochu niz oproti udanym na AP> netu,ale to muze byt zpusobeno tim,ze zdroj dava jen neco kolem AP> 11V (a?taky je to v SMD:-)). Tohle na SMD nesvadej :-) AP> P8=4,4V,P9=11,1V Tohle je kde? Rx? V jakem schematu? Nejak mi nesedi znaceni oproti schematu. AP> ? AP> Zarazil jsem se ale na techto dvou hodnota-spec. P6: AP> P2=3,4V,P6=2,93V Tezko rici. Momentalne nevim. AP> Ostatni jsou celkem v poradku a to i na RX.Zmeril jsem take AP> napeti na LEDce proti zemi a je na ni 0,94V(pricemz P7 je v 0mA). AP> Poradite mi nekdo,kde muze byt chyba...Diky moc Muj osobni tip je, ze nejaky z vyvrodu 74HC04 je skratovan se zemi, tipuji 1,2, nebo tak neco. Prohledni a promer v te desce misto mezi Q2 a tou 74HC04 - zde je to nachylne na udelani zkratu pri neopatrnem pajeni. AP> ALES Ondra From arni at undernet.lv Wed Oct 20 12:30:58 2004 From: arni at undernet.lv (Arnold Mingin) Date: Wed Oct 20 12:34:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister problem Message-ID: <00cb01c4b698$45781b80$0200a8c0@arni> Hello, I have a little problem with Twister. Green light is always glowing. Yellow also, but that's OK. Transmitter LED (on transmitter, not on Twister) is also glowing. I checked with oscilograph the output of TX on Twister -- everything is fine, I have 1Mhz carrier, etc. Usually, when you point transmitter into receiver, green light should not shine, right? But it does. I think it's a short-cirtuit somewhere on the PCB, but since it's already soldered it will be very hard to find the problem it optically, so maybe there are some.. Tests to find out what could be wrong? Thanks in advance, arni. From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 20 13:48:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 20 13:48:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister problem In-Reply-To: <00cb01c4b698$45781b80$0200a8c0@arni> References: <00cb01c4b698$45781b80$0200a8c0@arni> Message-ID: <20041020124810.GB16694@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 02:30:58PM +0300, Arnold Mingin wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a little problem with Twister. Green light is always glowing. Is it glowing also with RX cable completely disconnected? The best would be if you told the exact point in the guide where you hit the problem and if you declined somehow from the guide. > Yellow also, but that's OK. > Transmitter LED (on transmitter, not on Twister) is also glowing. I > checked with oscilograph the output of TX on Twister -- everything is > fine, I have 1Mhz carrier, etc. Do you perceive the fact that the transmitter LED is glowing as a problem? > Usually, when you point transmitter into receiver, green light should > not shine, right? But it does. I think it's a short-cirtuit somewhere on No it shouldn't shine unless the RX is so close to the TX that the RX is overdriven. In such case it's undefined. This manifests by 4V on the RSSI or something like that. > the PCB, but since it's already soldered it will be very hard to find > the problem it optically, so maybe there are some.. Tests to find out > what could be wrong? Are you having RX and TX according to the Ronja guide too? Cl< > > > Thanks in advance, > > > arni. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Wed Oct 20 15:08:16 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Oct 20 15:02:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s mechanikou Message-ID: <41767150.6010305@katka.biz> AHoj, pred casem se podarilo nainstalovat ronju na spoj mototechna voxor, ale dochazi k vypadkum. Dokumentace zatim neni nemeli sme fotak, bude pozdeji. Ale: Sektal jste se nekdo s podobnym problemem popsanym nize ? mate nejake jeho reseni ? Mechanika podle navodu http://ronja.twibright.com/console/parallel/building.php. Zalovat se nema, ale hlasit se to musi: Dnes sem prisel domu a ze zvyku sem pustil ping na Mototechnu. Vysledek = 100%PL. Vzhledem k tomu ze poslednich par dni ten spoj docela zlobi (chvili nic, chvili PL ruzne se menici), nebyl sem zase tak moc prekvapenej. Holt sem se sebral a vyslapnul si na strechu. Bohuzel jsem zjistil, ze svetlo z Mototechny blika jako blazen. Ani tak moc nefoukalo tak sem se bal aby to nebylo elektronikou. Sednul sem teda do auta a hura na Mototechnu. Na Mototechne jsem zjistil, ze elektronika se drzi skvele. Problem bohuzel zpusobuje vitr (vitr je slabe slovo, malem me to svliklo z mikiny)! Tx tubus vibruje jako zjancenej (je umisten na konci konzole vic od steny), Rx je relativne v pohode. jeden nezadouci pohyb je do leva a do prava pri pohledu na tubus ze zadu. > 1) je tam clockuv nastavovaci mechanizmus s gumama [...] Gumy sem [...] nesehnal tak sem to rovnou dal jen na srouby - tam slabina neni, s tim nehne ani uragan ;-) > 2) nestabilita tubusu na 'ucku' i u me to je nachylne na dotek - krasne > se to cele rozvybruje > resenim je snad pouziti kovovych stahovacich pasku, nebo vyztuzeni > vnitrku nejakou plastovou trubkou... nevim jak moc to pujde, ale ty > pasky bych urcite zkusil Souhlas, jen dodavam ze se nevrkla jen to Ucko ale i samotne telo tubusu. Reseni bud tou paskou a nebo vsadit do tubusu jeden nebo dva kovove krouzky, ktere by se nejak rozeprely a tim drzely tvar stabilni a branily deformacim. Popripade oboje dik za napady polous From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 20 15:36:42 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 20 15:36:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s mechanikou In-Reply-To: <41767150.6010305@katka.biz> References: <41767150.6010305@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20041020143642.GA16859@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 04:08:16PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > AHoj, pred casem se podarilo nainstalovat ronju na spoj mototechna voxor, > ale dochazi k vypadkum. Dokumentace zatim neni nemeli sme fotak, bude > pozdeji. Ale: > > Sektal jste se nekdo s podobnym problemem popsanym nize ? mate nejake jeho > reseni ? > > Mechanika podle navodu > http://ronja.twibright.com/console/parallel/building.php. Podle Voxe mechanika podle navodu neni, nebot mi rikal, ze zapomneli http://ronja.twibright.com/holder/building.php "Bang the blocks with a big hammer along the edges to bulge them out to cancel out possible convexity of the sides.". Bugreporty ktere obsahuji nepravdive informace akorat ztezuji analyzu problemu. Pri rozhovoru jsme dosli k nazoru, ze to je pricina popisovane nedostatecne mechanicke stability, kvuli ktere se se mnou Vox bavil. Nize se tez pise " [...] Gumy sem [...] nesehnal tak sem to rovnou dal jen na srouby - tam > slabina neni, s tim nehne ani uragan ;-)" nevim jak jen na srouby. Je to tenhle system? http://images.twibright.com/tns/8a.html Bod 2) nize povazuje za chybu navrhu spoustu lidi a jsem presvedcen, ze to chyba neni. Nesetkal jsem se s jedinym hlasenim, kde by to zpusobovalo smerove vibrace svazku. Jestli to budete opravovat, tak az chyby opravite, dejte vedet, jestli problem s vetrem prestal. Cl< > > > Zalovat se nema, ale hlasit se to musi: > > Dnes sem prisel domu a ze zvyku sem pustil ping na Mototechnu. Vysledek = > 100%PL. Vzhledem k tomu ze poslednich par dni ten spoj docela zlobi (chvili > nic, chvili PL ruzne se menici), nebyl sem zase tak moc prekvapenej. Holt > sem se sebral a vyslapnul si na strechu. Bohuzel jsem zjistil, ze svetlo z > Mototechny blika jako blazen. Ani tak moc nefoukalo tak sem se bal aby to > nebylo elektronikou. > Sednul sem teda do auta a hura na Mototechnu. > Na Mototechne jsem zjistil, ze elektronika se drzi skvele. > Problem bohuzel zpusobuje vitr (vitr je slabe slovo, malem me to svliklo z > mikiny)! Tx tubus vibruje jako zjancenej (je umisten na konci konzole vic > od steny), Rx je relativne v pohode. > > > jeden nezadouci pohyb je do leva a do prava pri pohledu na tubus ze zadu. > > > >1) je tam clockuv nastavovaci mechanizmus s gumama > > [...] Gumy sem [...] nesehnal tak sem to rovnou dal jen na srouby - tam > slabina neni, s tim nehne ani uragan ;-) > >2) nestabilita tubusu na 'ucku' i u me to je nachylne na dotek - krasne > >se to cele rozvybruje > >resenim je snad pouziti kovovych stahovacich pasku, nebo vyztuzeni > >vnitrku nejakou plastovou trubkou... nevim jak moc to pujde, ale ty > >pasky bych urcite zkusil > > Souhlas, jen dodavam ze se nevrkla jen to Ucko ale i samotne telo > tubusu. Reseni bud tou paskou a nebo vsadit do tubusu jeden nebo dva > kovove krouzky, ktere by se nejak rozeprely a tim drzely tvar stabilni a > branily deformacim. Popripade oboje > > > dik za napady > polous > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From arni at undernet.lv Wed Oct 20 17:32:39 2004 From: arni at undernet.lv (Arnold Mingin) Date: Wed Oct 20 17:36:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister problem In-Reply-To: <20041020124810.GB16694@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00de01c4b6c2$6a39f3b0$0200a8c0@arni> > -----Original Message----- > From: ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net] > On Behalf Of Karel Kulhavy > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:48 PM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister problem > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 02:30:58PM +0300, Arnold Mingin wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I have a little problem with Twister. Green light is always glowing. > > Is it glowing also with RX cable completely disconnected? The > best would be if you told the exact point in the guide where > you hit the problem and if you declined somehow from the guide. Yes, with RX cable disconnected too. No, in assembling Twiser, no, I did not declined from the guide. Just ordered PCBs, soldered, connected for testing and... > > > Yellow also, but that's OK. > > Transmitter LED (on transmitter, not on Twister) is also glowing. I > > checked with oscilograph the output of TX on Twister -- > everything is > > fine, I have 1Mhz carrier, etc. > > Do you perceive the fact that the transmitter LED is glowing > as a problem? No, no, just trying to make things more clear. > > > Usually, when you point transmitter into receiver, green > light should > > not shine, right? But it does. I think it's a short-cirtuit > somewhere > > on > > No it shouldn't shine unless the RX is so close to the TX > that the RX is overdriven. Tried from about 0.7m. > In such case it's undefined. This > manifests by 4V on the RSSI or something like that. > > > the PCB, but since it's already soldered it will be very > hard to find > > the problem it optically, so maybe there are some.. Tests > to find out > > what could be wrong? > > Are you having RX and TX according to the Ronja guide too? No, my own, but it's already a third installation of mine and RX/TX boards are tested using another Twister. arni. From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 20 20:20:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 20 20:20:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister problem In-Reply-To: <00de01c4b6c2$6a39f3b0$0200a8c0@arni> References: <20041020124810.GB16694@beton.cybernet.src> <00de01c4b6c2$6a39f3b0$0200a8c0@arni> Message-ID: <20041020192044.GB17180@beton.cybernet.src> > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a little problem with Twister. Green light is always glowing. > > > > Is it glowing also with RX cable completely disconnected? The > > best would be if you told the exact point in the guide where > > you hit the problem and if you declined somehow from the guide. > > Yes, with RX cable disconnected too. No, in assembling Twiser, no, I did > not declined from the guide. Just ordered PCBs, soldered, connected for > testing and... What device is your U62? Try shorting pin 6 U62 and pin 7 U62. Will the green diode stop Stephen King: The Shining? > Tried from about 0.7m. This should work. It looks like you electronics is broken. > > > In such case it's undefined. This > > manifests by 4V on the RSSI or something like that. > > > > > the PCB, but since it's already soldered it will be very > > hard to find > > > the problem it optically, so maybe there are some.. Tests > > to find out > > > what could be wrong? > > > > Are you having RX and TX according to the Ronja guide too? > > No, my own, but it's already a third installation of mine and RX/TX > boards are tested using another Twister. Are you having RX and TX on PCB? There can be a problem. They aren't in Ronja and therefore unsupported. The designed designed them in Protel which is proprietary and therefore the boards cannot be merged in. He said he doesn't have any time to remake them in PCB. Cl< From arni at undernet.lv Thu Oct 21 15:14:20 2004 From: arni at undernet.lv (Arnold Mingin) Date: Thu Oct 21 15:17:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister problem In-Reply-To: <20041020192044.GB17180@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000401c4b778$421fdf00$0200a8c0@arni> > > > > I have a little problem with Twister. Green light is always > > > > glowing. > > > > > > Is it glowing also with RX cable completely disconnected? The > > > best would be if you told the exact point in the guide where > > > you hit the problem and if you declined somehow from the guide. > > > > Yes, with RX cable disconnected too. No, in assembling > Twiser, no, I > > did not declined from the guide. Just ordered PCBs, soldered, > > connected for testing and... > > What device is your U62? AM26LS32. > Try shorting pin 6 U62 and pin 7 U62. Will the green diode > stop Stephen King: The Shining? Unfortunately after shortening it's still Shining. > > > Are you having RX and TX according to the Ronja guide too? > > > > No, my own, but it's already a third installation of mine and RX/TX > > boards are tested using another Twister. > > Are you having RX and TX on PCB? Yes. > There can be a problem. They > aren't in Ronja and therefore unsupported. The problem is there even without RX and TX modules. And as I said I've tested them with another Twister and everything is fine. Usually, I'm testing Twister by interconnecting RX and TX "pins" (without any other modules) and ping'ing. And usually it works. > The designed > designed them in Protel which is proprietary and therefore > the boards cannot be merged in. He said he doesn't have any > time to remake them in PCB. Didn't fully understand that... :-) arni. From macros at fear.cz Thu Oct 21 18:02:45 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Thu Oct 21 18:03:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] manag. switch pro vice jak 1 Ronju na 1 ETH (VLAN)? In-Reply-To: <99248156531.20041019000435@paleo.cz> References: <99248156531.20041019000435@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <4177EBB5.6070109@fear.cz> dd, http://www.planet.com.tw/news/productnews/FNSW-2402_S.htm ted v tom mam dve ronji, mival jsem tri. z www.asm.cz macros pupik wrote: > Dobr? den. > > Co zarizeni konkretne pouzivate > pro pripojeni vice Ronja pojitek na 1 ETH kartu jako VLAN rozhrani? > Tedy jaky zarizeni (100 Mbps switch?) si necha nastavit > na kazem portu napevno 10 Mbps full duplex ?? > Kde presne a za kolik se da poridit? > Diky za typy. > > S?ti zdar! > --- > Radovan Moser (pupik) > http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) > ICQ-ID: 15521245 From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 21 18:06:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 21 18:06:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister problem In-Reply-To: <000401c4b778$421fdf00$0200a8c0@arni> References: <20041020192044.GB17180@beton.cybernet.src> <000401c4b778$421fdf00$0200a8c0@arni> Message-ID: <20041021170644.GB19598@beton.cybernet.src> > > > connected for testing and... > > > > What device is your U62? > > AM26LS32. You cannot use AM26LS32. It's been removed from the list of equivalents some time ago. Replace it with something else from http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material.php Cl< From arni at undernet.lv Thu Oct 21 18:40:57 2004 From: arni at undernet.lv (Arnold Mingin) Date: Thu Oct 21 18:44:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister problem In-Reply-To: <20041021170644.GB19598@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002d01c4b795$1fb19b80$0200a8c0@arni> > > > > connected for testing and... > > > > > > What device is your U62? > > > > AM26LS32. > > You cannot use AM26LS32. It's been removed from the list of > equivalents some time ago. Replace it with something else > from http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material.php Oh, shit... Didn't know. I will. Thanks! BUT! :-) An interesting thing is that my first Twister was working with AM... arni. From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 21 19:43:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 21 19:43:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister problem In-Reply-To: <002d01c4b795$1fb19b80$0200a8c0@arni> References: <20041021170644.GB19598@beton.cybernet.src> <002d01c4b795$1fb19b80$0200a8c0@arni> Message-ID: <20041021184321.GB18698@beton.cybernet.src> > > You cannot use AM26LS32. It's been removed from the list of > > equivalents some time ago. Replace it with something else > > from http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material.php > > Oh, shit... Didn't know. I will. Thanks! > BUT! :-) An interesting thing is that my first Twister was working with > AM... Then replace this one, too :) Cl< From czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz Fri Oct 22 08:56:58 2004 From: czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz (pupik) Date: Fri Oct 22 08:57:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] manag. switch pro vice jak 1 Ronju na 1 ETH (VLAN)? In-Reply-To: <4177EBB5.6070109@fear.cz> References: <99248156531.20041019000435@paleo.cz> <4177EBB5.6070109@fear.cz> Message-ID: <44542902250.20041022095658@paleo.cz> Dobr? den. Ten je peknej ! :o) OVSEM a) ma zbytecne moc portu (24 optopojitek na jednim miste?! ;) b) je prislis velky (kazde misto drahe) c) neni levny, 6000,- (ja mel predstavu tak do 3000,-) --- MTB> http://www.planet.com.tw/news/productnews/FNSW-2402_S.htm MTB> ted v tom mam dve ronji, mival jsem tri. MTB> z www.asm.cz --- >> Co zarizeni konkretne pouzivate >> pro pripojeni vice Ronja pojitek na 1 ETH kartu jako VLAN rozhrani? >> Tedy jaky zarizeni (100 Mbps switch?) si necha nastavit >> na kazem portu napevno 10 Mbps full duplex ?? >> Kde presne a za kolik se da poridit? >> Diky za typy. S?ti zdar! --- Radovan Moser (pupik) http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) ICQ-ID: 15521245 From czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz Fri Oct 22 09:06:30 2004 From: czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz (pupik) Date: Fri Oct 22 09:06:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] manag. switch pro vice jak 1 Ronju na 1 ETH (VLAN)? - vyreseno In-Reply-To: <44542902250.20041022095658@paleo.cz> References: <99248156531.20041019000435@paleo.cz> <4177EBB5.6070109@fear.cz> <44542902250.20041022095658@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <7543474281.20041022100630@paleo.cz> Dobr? den. UZ jsem objevil presne to, co potrebuju. Jmenuje se to: TP-LINK TL-SF2109P (switch 8 port? + 1 optick? slot) A nasel jsem ho v I4shop za 1.654,- s DPH !! :o) --- p> Ten je peknej ! :o) OVSEM p> a) ma zbytecne moc portu (24 optopojitek na jednim miste?! ;) p> b) je prislis velky (kazde misto drahe) p> c) neni levny, 6000,- (ja mel predstavu tak do 3000,-) p> --- MTB>> http://www.planet.com.tw/news/productnews/FNSW-2402_S.htm MTB>> ted v tom mam dve ronji, mival jsem tri. MTB>> z www.asm.cz p> --- >>> Co zarizeni konkretne pouzivate >>> pro pripojeni vice Ronja pojitek na 1 ETH kartu jako VLAN rozhrani? >>> Tedy jaky zarizeni (100 Mbps switch?) si necha nastavit >>> na kazem portu napevno 10 Mbps full duplex ?? >>> Kde presne a za kolik se da poridit? >>> Diky za typy. S?ti zdar! --- Radovan Moser (pupik) http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) ICQ-ID: 15521245 From honza at hoidekr.net Fri Oct 22 09:06:57 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Fri Oct 22 09:07:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] manag. switch pro vice jak 1 Ronju na 1 ETH (VLAN)? In-Reply-To: <44542902250.20041022095658@paleo.cz> References: <99248156531.20041019000435@paleo.cz> <4177EBB5.6070109@fear.cz> <44542902250.20041022095658@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <4178BFA1.4020005@hoidekr.net> V diskuzi na CZFREE.NET se objevil tento odkaz http://www.i4shop.net/cz/iObchod/Catalog.asp?ca=1612&it=9108 Podle odkazu by melo jit nastavit FD/HD a dalsi veci http://www.i4shop.net/cz/iObchod/WebInfo.asp?idprod=TL-SF2109P Cena je prijatelne, ale znacku vubec neznam. Pokud budete nekdo zkouset, dejte vedet. Honza pupik wrote: > Dobr? den. > > Ten je peknej ! :o) OVSEM > a) ma zbytecne moc portu (24 optopojitek na jednim miste?! ;) > b) je prislis velky (kazde misto drahe) > c) neni levny, 6000,- (ja mel predstavu tak do 3000,-) > --- > > MTB> http://www.planet.com.tw/news/productnews/FNSW-2402_S.htm > MTB> ted v tom mam dve ronji, mival jsem tri. > MTB> z www.asm.cz > --- > > >>>Co zarizeni konkretne pouzivate >>>pro pripojeni vice Ronja pojitek na 1 ETH kartu jako VLAN rozhrani? >>>Tedy jaky zarizeni (100 Mbps switch?) si necha nastavit >>>na kazem portu napevno 10 Mbps full duplex ?? >>>Kde presne a za kolik se da poridit? >>>Diky za typy. > > > S?ti zdar! > --- > Radovan Moser (pupik) > http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) > ICQ-ID: 15521245 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Fri Oct 22 17:56:09 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (zajio1am@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Fri Oct 22 17:56:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AM26LS32ACN ? Message-ID: <20041022165609.GA8074@feanor> Ahoj V navodu je jako nahrada za DS26LS32 uvedena AM26LS32A, zatimco AM26LS32 ne, ja mam AM26LS32ACN, je to v poradku, nebo ne? Vsechna ICcka, co tu mam, maji jeste ruzne podezrele prefixy a suffixy (proti pozadavkum v navodu). Je nejaky obecny algoritmus, jak zjistit, zda IC odpovida pozadavku v navodu? (Napriklad treba pokud ve svem jmene obsahuje podretezec pozadovany v navodu). -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041022/61daf54c/attachment.bin From clock at twibright.com Fri Oct 22 18:03:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Oct 22 18:03:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AM26LS32ACN ? In-Reply-To: <20041022165609.GA8074@feanor> References: <20041022165609.GA8074@feanor> Message-ID: <20041022170302.GF21166@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 06:56:09PM +0200, zajio1am@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz wrote: > Ahoj > > V navodu je jako nahrada za DS26LS32 uvedena AM26LS32A, zatimco AM26LS32 ne, > ja mam AM26LS32ACN, je to v poradku, nebo ne? Je. Kdyz jsou pismenka navic, tak je to OK. C je Commercial a N nevim. > > Vsechna ICcka, co tu mam, maji jeste ruzne podezrele prefixy a suffixy (proti > pozadavkum v navodu). Je nejaky obecny algoritmus, jak zjistit, zda IC > odpovida pozadavku v navodu? (Napriklad treba pokud ve svem jmene obsahuje > podretezec pozadovany v navodu). Jo musi to byt podretezec. Krome pripadu jako 74HC14 a 74HC143 a pod. ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Oct 22 18:28:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Oct 22 18:28:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Bug Alert Message-ID: <20041022172819.GA21412@beton.cybernet.src> Hello It showed up that the parallel console is buggy. It vibrates under heavy wind. The problem is caused by insufficient torsional rigidity of the main U truss. I am putting redesign of this console to TODO list. It's possible to use the console for installations where no danger of high winds exists. Where high winds may occur, use perpendicular console instead. Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Fri Oct 22 22:42:48 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Fri Oct 22 22:43:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AM26LS32ACN ? In-Reply-To: <20041022170302.GF21166@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041022165609.GA8074@feanor> <20041022170302.GF21166@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41797ED8.50104@sattnet.cz> Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 06:56:09PM +0200, zajio1am@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz wrote: > > >>Ahoj >> >>V navodu je jako nahrada za DS26LS32 uvedena AM26LS32A, zatimco AM26LS32 ne, >>ja mam AM26LS32ACN, je to v poradku, nebo ne? >> >> > >Je. Kdyz jsou pismenka navic, tak je to OK. >C je Commercial a N nevim. > > > N je znaceni pouzdra, alespon tento vyrobce se timto ridi. >>Vsechna ICcka, co tu mam, maji jeste ruzne podezrele prefixy a suffixy (proti >>pozadavkum v navodu). Je nejaky obecny algoritmus, jak zjistit, zda IC >>odpovida pozadavku v navodu? (Napriklad treba pokud ve svem jmene obsahuje >>podretezec pozadovany v navodu). >> >> > >Jo musi to byt podretezec. Krome pripadu jako 74HC14 a 74HC143 a pod. ;-) > >Cl< > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From macros at fear.cz Sat Oct 23 03:03:21 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Sat Oct 23 03:03:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] manag. switch pro vice jak 1 Ronju na 1 ETH (VLAN)? In-Reply-To: <44542902250.20041022095658@paleo.cz> References: <99248156531.20041019000435@paleo.cz> <4177EBB5.6070109@fear.cz> <44542902250.20041022095658@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <4179BBE9.5030806@fear.cz> pupik wrote: > Dobr? den. > > Ten je peknej ! :o) OVSEM > a) ma zbytecne moc portu (24 optopojitek na jednim miste?! ;) nemam ho jenom na ti optiky :-) > b) je prislis velky (kazde misto drahe) do racku se vejde v pohode :] > c) neni levny, 6000,- (ja mel predstavu tak do 3000,-) > --- > > MTB> http://www.planet.com.tw/news/productnews/FNSW-2402_S.htm > MTB> ted v tom mam dve ronji, mival jsem tri. > MTB> z www.asm.cz From macros at fear.cz Sat Oct 23 03:04:03 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Sat Oct 23 03:04:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] manag. switch pro vice jak 1 Ronju na 1 ETH (VLAN)? - vyreseno In-Reply-To: <7543474281.20041022100630@paleo.cz> References: <99248156531.20041019000435@paleo.cz> <4177EBB5.6070109@fear.cz> <44542902250.20041022095658@paleo.cz> <7543474281.20041022100630@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <4179BC13.4010908@fear.cz> pupik wrote: > Dobr? den. > > UZ jsem objevil presne to, co potrebuju. > Jmenuje se to: > TP-LINK TL-SF2109P (switch 8 port? + 1 optick? slot) > A nasel jsem ho v I4shop za 1.654,- s DPH !! :o) co ja vim, tak neumi 802.1Q VLANy ale jenom port-based.. macros From macros at fear.cz Sat Oct 23 03:15:16 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Sat Oct 23 03:15:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] manag. switch pro vice jak 1 Ronju na 1 ETH (VLAN)? In-Reply-To: <4179BBE9.5030806@fear.cz> References: <99248156531.20041019000435@paleo.cz> <4177EBB5.6070109@fear.cz> <44542902250.20041022095658@paleo.cz> <4179BBE9.5030806@fear.cz> Message-ID: <4179BEB4.4070507@fear.cz> Macros The Black wrote: > pupik wrote: > >> Dobr? den. >> >> Ten je peknej ! :o) OVSEM >> a) ma zbytecne moc portu (24 optopojitek na jednim miste?! ;) > > nemam ho jenom na ti optiky :-) omg, TY optiky, uz jsem mel jit davno spat, takhle to pak dopada :)) macros From kuna at alphanet.sk Sat Oct 23 05:27:17 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Sat Oct 23 05:29:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] foto do galerie Message-ID: <003a01c4b8b8$999ccd60$8a78d7d5@alphanet> Zde byl um?st?n nep?ijateln? obsah typu: multipart/alternative------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... 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URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041023/04e8b227/attachment.htm From caffr at seznam.cz Sat Oct 23 09:18:51 2004 From: caffr at seznam.cz (cafr) Date: Sat Oct 23 09:19:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy Message-ID: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> Zdravim, od cervna provozujeme bez problemu jeden spoj, ale ve ctvrtek doslo k cca puldenimu vypadku kvuli mlze. Ronja je na vzdalenost cca 470m, 100mm cocky, HPWT-BD00 ledky (zakladni model). Myslim si, ze k prodlouzeni dosahu by pomohly vetsi cocky, ale to by znamenalo cele nove roury. Pomohlo by vymenit ledky za naky ty s vetsi svitivosti - F4000, E4000? Dalsi vec je ze mame paprsek mozna trochu rozostrenej (podle Aiming Magic je to asi "stage 4"). Resit to zalohou pres WiFI se mne nechce, proto prosim o nake navrhy. Diky cafr From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 23 09:21:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Oct 23 09:21:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy In-Reply-To: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20041023082108.GC26262@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 10:18:51AM +0200, cafr wrote: > Zdravim, > od cervna provozujeme bez problemu jeden spoj, ale ve ctvrtek doslo k > cca puldenimu vypadku kvuli mlze. Ronja je na vzdalenost > cca 470m, 100mm cocky, HPWT-BD00 ledky (zakladni model). Myslim si, ze k > prodlouzeni dosahu by pomohly vetsi cocky, ale to by > znamenalo cele nove roury. Pomohlo by vymenit ledky za naky ty s vetsi > svitivosti - F4000, E4000? Dalsi vec je ze mame paprsek Jestli mate jen BD00 tak za BD00-E4000 by to rozhodne pomohlo. > mozna trochu rozostrenej (podle Aiming Magic je to asi "stage 4"). > Resit to zalohou pres WiFI se mne nechce, proto prosim o nake navrhy. Tak zaostrete do stage 3 zase :) Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Sat Oct 23 09:21:35 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Sat Oct 23 09:21:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy In-Reply-To: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> mno v tomhle tydnu vypadavali vsude i profesionalni laserbity, atd.. ber to tak, ze je to proste optika, takze musi videt stejne jako clovek, coz za mlhy proste nejde... My tu mame 130mm roury na 300m, RSSI je bezne asi 4V, ale proste v tomhle tejdnu mela taky par hodin vypadek... co se da delat... Kneza cafr wrote: > Zdravim, > od cervna provozujeme bez problemu jeden spoj, ale ve ctvrtek doslo k > cca puldenimu vypadku kvuli mlze. Ronja je na vzdalenost > cca 470m, 100mm cocky, HPWT-BD00 ledky (zakladni model). Myslim si, ze k > prodlouzeni dosahu by pomohly vetsi cocky, ale to by > znamenalo cele nove roury. Pomohlo by vymenit ledky za naky ty s vetsi > svitivosti - F4000, E4000? Dalsi vec je ze mame paprsek > mozna trochu rozostrenej (podle Aiming Magic je to asi "stage 4"). > Resit to zalohou pres WiFI se mne nechce, proto prosim o nake navrhy. > > Diky > > cafr > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 23 09:25:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Oct 23 09:25:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] foto do galerie In-Reply-To: <003a01c4b8b8$999ccd60$8a78d7d5@alphanet> References: <003a01c4b8b8$999ccd60$8a78d7d5@alphanet> Message-ID: <20041023082520.GD26262@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 06:27:17AM +0200, miro wrote: > spoje dlhe 850,620,1100m .Vsade su pouzite sosovky o priemere 130mm > vysielac HPWT F4000 primac BPW43 To je HPWT-BD00-F4000 nebo HPWT-BH00-F4000? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 23 09:30:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Oct 23 09:30:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy In-Reply-To: <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20041023083025.GA13007@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 10:21:35AM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > mno v tomhle tydnu vypadavali vsude i profesionalni laserbity, atd.. > ber to tak, ze je to proste optika, takze musi videt stejne jako clovek, > coz za mlhy proste nejde... > My tu mame 130mm roury na 300m, RSSI je bezne asi 4V, ale proste v > tomhle tejdnu mela taky par hodin vypadek... co se da delat... Zvednout zatuchle telo od pocitace, protahnout zprachnivele udy a vyjit ven podivat se na starwars :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 23 10:38:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Oct 23 10:38:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] foto do galerie In-Reply-To: <003a01c4b8b8$999ccd60$8a78d7d5@alphanet> References: <003a01c4b8b8$999ccd60$8a78d7d5@alphanet> Message-ID: <20041023093849.GB31653@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 06:27:17AM +0200, miro wrote: > spoje dlhe 850,620,1100m .Vsade su pouzite sosovky o priemere 130mm > vysielac HPWT F4000 primac BPW43 Diky, pridal jsem je tam. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Oct 23 10:44:38 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Oct 23 10:44:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy In-Reply-To: <20041023083025.GA13007@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <20041023083025.GA13007@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1098524678.417a2806d87f1@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhavy : > On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 10:21:35AM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > > mno v tomhle tydnu vypadavali vsude i profesionalni laserbity, atd.. > > ber to tak, ze je to proste optika, takze musi videt stejne jako clovek, > > coz za mlhy proste nejde... > > My tu mame 130mm roury na 300m, RSSI je bezne asi 4V, ale proste v > > tomhle tejdnu mela taky par hodin vypadek... co se da delat... > > Zvednout zatuchle telo od pocitace, protahnout zprachnivele udy a vyjit > ven podivat se na starwars :) > > Cl< > Bohuzel musim konstatovat ze tohle byla ta mlha s utlumem 1xx dB/km kde nepomuze ani vykon temelina. Vypadl me jen 250m dlouhy spoj s laserem. Ale zato starwars rulezzz i za b?leho dne... From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Oct 23 15:22:11 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Oct 23 15:27:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> Message-ID: <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> Me to v te pekelne mlze nevypadlo (mam experimentalni spoj 400m). Ale jako zdroj svetla mam 10mW laser nikoliv LED. Mam jeste zkusenost s infra LED....proleze mlhou (opar atd.) lepe nez cervene svetlo a ma vetsi vykon. Zkus si upravit TX a RX dle meho navodu: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/ 4 zmeny .... a) na RX misto SFH2030 dat SFH2030F (GME 520-005 ... 18,- ) b) na TX misto HPWT dat HSDL-4230 (GME 511-149 ... 24,- ) c) misto R11 8.2 ohmu dat 4.7 ohmu (GME 114-114.... 2,- ; samozrejme metaloxidovy 2W bezindukcni) d) doplnit jeden 74HC04 (GME 425-004 ... 4,- ; proud LED neni jako u HPWT 60mA, ale 140mA) Samozrejme vsude (TX/RX) das sklenenou cocku 130mm. Pro HSDL-4230 je ohniskova vzdalenost asi 32cm. Enjoy IR-DA system............ -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy > mno v tomhle tydnu vypadavali vsude i profesionalni laserbity, atd.. > ber to tak, ze je to proste optika, takze musi videt stejne jako clovek, > coz za mlhy proste nejde... > My tu mame 130mm roury na 300m, RSSI je bezne asi 4V, ale proste v > tomhle tejdnu mela taky par hodin vypadek... co se da delat... > > Kneza > > cafr wrote: > > Zdravim, > > od cervna provozujeme bez problemu jeden spoj, ale ve ctvrtek doslo k > > cca puldenimu vypadku kvuli mlze. Ronja je na vzdalenost > > cca 470m, 100mm cocky, HPWT-BD00 ledky (zakladni model). Myslim si, ze k > > prodlouzeni dosahu by pomohly vetsi cocky, ale to by > > znamenalo cele nove roury. Pomohlo by vymenit ledky za naky ty s vetsi > > svitivosti - F4000, E4000? Dalsi vec je ze mame paprsek > > mozna trochu rozostrenej (podle Aiming Magic je to asi "stage 4"). > > Resit to zalohou pres WiFI se mne nechce, proto prosim o nake navrhy. > > > > Diky > > > > cafr > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Oct 23 15:29:17 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Oct 23 15:34:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <20041023083025.GA13007@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <005001c4b90c$adf558a0$0101a8c0@cz> Asi tak Karle.....starwars rulez in laser system 10mW RED......400m in fog....working! http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/01.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/02.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/03.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/04.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/TXlaser_ronja.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/mlha-utlum.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/st300m_mlha.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/starwars_nad_sidlistem2.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/starwars_nad_sidlistem4.jpg Starwars rules....enjoy laser system (i testing on 4200m!!!!!!!) -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy > On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 10:21:35AM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > > mno v tomhle tydnu vypadavali vsude i profesionalni laserbity, atd.. > > ber to tak, ze je to proste optika, takze musi videt stejne jako clovek, > > coz za mlhy proste nejde... > > My tu mame 130mm roury na 300m, RSSI je bezne asi 4V, ale proste v > > tomhle tejdnu mela taky par hodin vypadek... co se da delat... > > Zvednout zatuchle telo od pocitace, protahnout zprachnivele udy a vyjit > ven podivat se na starwars :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From maco at host.sk Sat Oct 23 15:36:47 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sat Oct 23 15:36:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Movie about RONJA In-Reply-To: <1098524678.417a2806d87f1@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <20041023083025.GA13007@beton.cybernet.src> <1098524678.417a2806d87f1@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <417A6C7F.5060201@host.sk> In blava.net (www.blava.net) open society network we have decided that we will release the short movie about how he have made RONJA. The RONJA itselfs is made from 90% and it is theoretically prepared to be mounted. We have aiming a'la Airborne, interface a'la clock's Twister and modules a'la Simandl. The movie will be ready in about 2-3 weeks from now. If anybody has ANY suggestions what shoul be included, what should not be, in what format it should be released and if anybody have the posibility to provide up to 1GB of disk space on fast line I would be very pleased. Questions (i'm awaiting your answers): [possible answer] In which language should be the movie narrated [Slovak (native language of builders) with english subtitles] How long should be the movie? [cca 15-25 min.] How detailed the movie should be? [Quite detailed, but also to be more presentation-oriented. Not to be very detailed about electronics, but aiming may be quite detailed.] Should the film be in color? :) To clock - what kind of music do you personally like? :) [punck-rock from west india patched with heavy-metal grunge culture with a little bit of jazz] The premiere of the movie may be on SKLUG session in Kosice on 4th of November 2004. Hoping so. Best regards Marcel Hecko aka maco from blava.net PS: Ked niekto ma chvilku casu skuste to prelozit aj do cestiny kedze nie vsetci rozumenju anglicky. Vdaka. From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 23 21:14:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Oct 23 21:14:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Movie about RONJA In-Reply-To: <417A6C7F.5060201@host.sk> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <20041023083025.GA13007@beton.cybernet.src> <1098524678.417a2806d87f1@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <417A6C7F.5060201@host.sk> Message-ID: <20041023201416.GA1975@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 04:36:47PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > In blava.net (www.blava.net) open society network we have decided that > we will release the short movie about how he have made RONJA. The RONJA > itselfs is made from 90% and it is theoretically prepared to be mounted. > We have aiming a'la Airborne, interface a'la clock's Twister and modules > a'la Simandl. The movie will be ready in about 2-3 weeks from now. If > anybody has ANY suggestions what shoul be included, what should not be, > in what format it should be released and if anybody have the posibility > to provide up to 1GB of disk space on fast line I would be very pleased. > > Questions (i'm awaiting your answers): > [possible answer] > > In which language should be the movie narrated > [Slovak (native language of builders) with english subtitles] > > How long should be the movie? > [cca 15-25 min.] > > How detailed the movie should be? > [Quite detailed, but also to be more presentation-oriented. Not to be > very detailed about electronics, but aiming may be quite detailed.] > > Should the film be in color? > :) Yes > > To clock - what kind of music do you personally like? :) > [punck-rock from west india patched with heavy-metal grunge culture with > a little bit of jazz] If possible, please make the content under some free licence to be reusable. If you can provide a master with full video quality and separated audio tracks that would be the best. If you can encode the master in Ogg Theora and the audio track into Ogg Vorbis it would be the best, but mpeg stream is usable too, of course. Just there is going to be some loss during recoding into Theora (as MPEG is heavily patent-burdened). Please avoid copyrighted music because otherwise you are going to have immediately issues with author rights, I am not going to be able to reuse it etc. http://vorbis.com has some links on free music, also freemusic.cz, and probably some more can be found on the Internet. http://vorbis.com http://www.magnatune.com/ http://vorbis.com/musicsites.psp http://www.opsound.org/opsound.html Personally I like for example Memories of Tomorrow: Memories of Tomorrow http://he1.magnatune.com/all/01-Memories%20of%20Tomorrow-Memories%20of%20Tomorrow.mp3 Fabco: If You Have Ghosts http://www.devo.com/fabco/music/ifyouhaveghosts.ogg DJ Markitos: A Trip Beyond the Universe http://he1.magnatune.com/all/03-A%20Trip%20Beyond%20the%20Universe-DJ%20Markitos.mp3 M6H and Fabco: Way Southwest http://www.devo.com/fabco/music/waysw-t2.ogg I admit maybe most of them are too dynamic to be included in a film like this ;-) There is also open video project, a shared digital video collection. However it looks like you are not planning to include external material in your video. http://www.open-video.org/ Cl< > > The premiere of the movie may be on SKLUG session in Kosice on 4th of > November 2004. Hoping so. > > Best regards > > Marcel Hecko aka maco from blava.net > > PS: Ked niekto ma chvilku casu skuste to prelozit aj do cestiny kedze > nie vsetci rozumenju anglicky. Vdaka. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From caffr at seznam.cz Sun Oct 24 10:28:02 2004 From: caffr at seznam.cz (cafr) Date: Sun Oct 24 10:28:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy In-Reply-To: <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> Pres zimu uvidim jaky bude mit ronja vykony a pak treba na jare udelam infra nebo koupim lepsi ledky. Diky za rady. Cafr From cd930 at centrum.cz Sun Oct 24 17:47:28 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sun Oct 24 17:52:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> Nezapomen ze ta HSDL ma mnohem vetsi vykon nez HPTW rada E nebo F. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "cafr" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy > Pres zimu uvidim jaky bude mit ronja vykony a pak treba na jare udelam > infra nebo koupim lepsi ledky. > Diky za rady. > Cafr > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Oct 24 18:10:22 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sun Oct 24 18:10:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> Jak je to s usazovanim prachu a jineho bordelu na cockach? Vadi to moc? Casem pozoruji mirne pospineni. Ma to cenu cistit? Nejaky utlum jsem zatim nezaznamenal. Diky -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Sun Oct 24 19:39:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Oct 24 19:39:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20041024183915.GB30312@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 07:10:22PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Jak je to s usazovanim prachu a jineho bordelu na cockach? Vadi to moc? > Casem pozoruji mirne pospineni. Ma to cenu cistit? Nejaky utlum jsem > zatim nezaznamenal. Nam se tam taky neco usazuje ale nikdy to nepresahlo jaksi mirnou uroven - kdyz tam jsem, tak to vetsinou otru. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Sun Oct 24 19:43:18 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sun Oct 24 19:48:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <20041024183915.GB30312@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> Mozna by to chtelo Karle napsat do navodu , aby se 2x za rok slo na strechu do stetcem otrit. Zjistil jsem, ze prach neni az tak problem, ale mrchy pavouci...to problem je. Si hajzlove udelaj pavucinu pred cockou a je konec. Chce to stitek natrit zevnitr nejakou chemikalii, aby si tam pavouci nedelali rodeo. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 07:10:22PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > Jak je to s usazovanim prachu a jineho bordelu na cockach? Vadi to moc? > > Casem pozoruji mirne pospineni. Ma to cenu cistit? Nejaky utlum jsem > > zatim nezaznamenal. > > Nam se tam taky neco usazuje ale nikdy to nepresahlo jaksi mirnou uroven > - kdyz tam jsem, tak to vetsinou otru. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Oct 24 19:51:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Oct 24 19:51:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <20041024183915.GB30312@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041024185113.GA30389@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 08:43:18PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Mozna by to chtelo Karle napsat do navodu , aby se 2x za rok slo na strechu > do stetcem otrit. > Zjistil jsem, ze prach neni az tak problem, ale mrchy pavouci...to problem > je. > Si hajzlove udelaj pavucinu pred cockou a je konec. Jak ten konec vypada? Ja mam pavouky na spouste vysilacu a zadny problemy nepozoruju. Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Oct 24 22:30:04 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Oct 24 22:29:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <6810090023.20041024233004@volny.cz> Ja mam problem s mastnou spinou. Tak na to asi nekdy vletim s Ironem.... Ondra DS> Jak je to s usazovanim prachu a jineho bordelu na cockach? Vadi to moc? DS> Casem pozoruji mirne pospineni. Ma to cenu cistit? Nejaky utlum jsem DS> zatim nezaznamenal. DS> Diky From czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz Mon Oct 25 07:54:44 2004 From: czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz (pupik) Date: Mon Oct 25 07:54:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <6810090023.20041024233004@volny.cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <6810090023.20041024233004@volny.cz> Message-ID: <119246104218.20041025085444@paleo.cz> Dobr=FD den. Nechtelo by vychytat nejaky samocistici mechanismus?!? Co treba urpava ksiltu tak, aby se cocka samovolne omyvala? DS>> Jak je to s usazovanim prachu a jineho bordelu na cockach? Vadi to m= oc? DS>> Casem pozoruji mirne pospineni. Ma to cenu cistit? Nejaky utlum jsem DS>> zatim nezaznamenal. DS>> Diky S=EDti zdar! --- Radovan Moser (pupik) http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) ICQ-ID: 15521245 From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Oct 25 08:20:20 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=9Aek?=) Date: Mon Oct 25 08:20:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net><004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz><000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz><6810090023.20041024233004@volny.cz> <119246104218.20041025085444@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <004101c4ba63$18345cf0$0103450a@thechosen> kdtyz tam nedas stit tak se to oplachujhe samo pri kazdem desti :) cocka je pak porad krasne cista, roury co maj u nas stit jsou porad zasvineny a plne pavouku. glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "pupik" To: "Ondrej Tesar" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:54 AM Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] Cocky a prach Dobrý den. Nechtelo by vychytat nejaky samocistici mechanismus?!? Co treba urpava ksiltu tak, aby se cocka samovolne omyvala? DS>> Jak je to s usazovanim prachu a jineho bordelu na cockach? Vadi to moc? DS>> Casem pozoruji mirne pospineni. Ma to cenu cistit? Nejaky utlum jsem DS>> zatim nezaznamenal. DS>> Diky Síti zdar! --- Radovan Moser (pupik) http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) ICQ-ID: 15521245 _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Mon Oct 25 08:34:57 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Mon Oct 25 08:35:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <119246104218.20041025085444@paleo.cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <6810090023.20041024233004@volny.cz> <119246104218.20041025085444@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <417CACA1.7000202@poupe.net> Dej si tam ostrikovace, sterace a jednou denne si to ocisti, ne? ;-))) Kneza pupik wrote: > Dobr=FD den. >=20 > Nechtelo by vychytat nejaky samocistici mechanismus?!? > Co treba urpava ksiltu tak, aby se cocka samovolne omyvala? >=20 > DS>> Jak je to s usazovanim prachu a jineho bordelu na cockach? Vadi to= moc? > DS>> Casem pozoruji mirne pospineni. Ma to cenu cistit? Nejaky utlum js= em > DS>> zatim nezaznamenal. > DS>> Diky >=20 > S=EDti zdar! > --- > Radovan Moser (pupik) > http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) > ICQ-ID: 15521245 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Oct 25 09:03:04 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Oct 25 09:03:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net><20041023083025.GA13007@beton.cybernet.src> <005001c4b90c$adf558a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <000f01c4ba69$0e1ed2d0$0103450a@thechosen> to je 10mW laser dioda z GM? nebo 20mW a peres do ni jen 10mW. a optiku jsi pouzil z toho modulu s tlacitkem? Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy > Asi tak Karle.....starwars rulez in laser system 10mW RED......400m in > fog....working! > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/01.jpg > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/02.jpg > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/03.jpg > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/04.jpg > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/TXlaser_ronja.jpg > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/mlha-utlum.jpg > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/st300m_mlha.jpg > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/starwars_nad_sidlistem2.jpg > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/starwars_nad_sidlistem4.jpg > > > Starwars rules....enjoy laser system (i testing on 4200m!!!!!!!) > > -=RYS=- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy > > > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 10:21:35AM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > > > mno v tomhle tydnu vypadavali vsude i profesionalni laserbity, atd.. > > > ber to tak, ze je to proste optika, takze musi videt stejne jako clovek, > > > coz za mlhy proste nejde... > > > My tu mame 130mm roury na 300m, RSSI je bezne asi 4V, ale proste v > > > tomhle tejdnu mela taky par hodin vypadek... co se da delat... > > > > Zvednout zatuchle telo od pocitace, protahnout zprachnivele udy a vyjit > > ven podivat se na starwars :) > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Oct 25 09:30:54 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=9Aek?=) Date: Mon Oct 25 09:31:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net><004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz><000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz><6810090023.20041024233004@volny.cz> <119246104218.20041025085444@paleo.cz> <004101c4ba63$18345cf0$0103450a@thechosen> <199251507171.20041025102447@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <000b01c4ba6c$f19ba440$0103450a@thechosen> dava se tam kvuli slunci, ale je to potreba jak kdy. na extremne dlouhych linkach ej to asi potreba. na par spojich to mame na par ne. jak se to chova za snehu nemam tuseni. Glo > Dobrý den. > > Tak proc se tedy ksilt vubec pouziva? :-D > Kdyz vam to jede i bez neho? > A co treba v zimne, kdyz snezi, > nelepi se na tu teplou cocku bez ksiltu pak snih?! > --- > > MM> kdtyz tam nedas stit tak se to oplachujhe samo pri kazdem desti :) cocka je > MM> pak porad krasne cista, roury co maj u nas stit jsou porad zasvineny a plne > MM> pavouku. > --- > > MM> Nechtelo by vychytat nejaky samocistici mechanismus?!? > MM> Co treba urpava ksiltu tak, aby se cocka samovolne omyvala? > --- > > DS>>> Jak je to s usazovanim prachu a jineho bordelu na cockach? Vadi to moc? > DS>>> Casem pozoruji mirne pospineni. Ma to cenu cistit? Nejaky utlum jsem > DS>>> zatim nezaznamenal. > > Síti zdar! > --- > Radovan Moser (pupik) > http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) > ICQ-ID: 15521245 > From polous at katka.biz Mon Oct 25 10:02:22 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Oct 25 09:56:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Osazovak na twistera ala cipis Message-ID: <417CC11E.20406@katka.biz> Vsiml jsem si, ze na osazovaku od cipise, na ktery je odkaz na wiky (http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions) ma chybku. Konkretne odpor R65 je uveden jako 33ohmu, ale podle seznamu soucastek na http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php ma byt 12ohmu. mimo to se ted nemuzu na http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png nejak dostat :(( zdar p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 25 10:46:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 25 10:46:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Osazovak na twistera ala cipis In-Reply-To: <417CC11E.20406@katka.biz> References: <417CC11E.20406@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20041025094652.GB556@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 11:02:22AM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > Vsiml jsem si, ze na osazovaku od cipise, na ktery je odkaz na wiky > (http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions) ma > chybku. Konkretne odpor R65 je uveden jako 33ohmu, ale podle seznamu > soucastek na http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php ma byt 12ohmu. > > mimo to se ted nemuzu na http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png nejak > dostat :(( When you run PCB http://pcb.sourceforge.net and download twister.pcb from http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.pcb and then do pcb twister.pcb Screen->Value File -> Print layout select output scale here 2.40 outline rotate Letter -> A4 OK File -> Quit program then in twister.pcb.out_assembly.ps you have a postscript file with assembly plan where instead of reference designators there are component values. However, the chips have "unknown" printed there. I am not currently able to get the 74HCxx designation there because it's not saved in twister.pcb (the toolchain would have to be changed to make this, namely gschem2pcb). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 25 10:49:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 25 10:49:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Osazovak na twistera ala cipis In-Reply-To: <417CC11E.20406@katka.biz> References: <417CC11E.20406@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20041025094936.GC556@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 11:02:22AM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > Vsiml jsem si, ze na osazovaku od cipise, na ktery je odkaz na wiky > (http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions) ma > chybku. Konkretne odpor R65 je uveden jako 33ohmu, ale podle seznamu Ja tam vidim 39. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 25 10:51:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 25 10:51:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Osazovak na twistera ala cipis In-Reply-To: <417CC11E.20406@katka.biz> References: <417CC11E.20406@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20041025095136.GD556@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 11:02:22AM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > Vsiml jsem si, ze na osazovaku od cipise, na ktery je odkaz na wiky > (http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions) ma > chybku. Konkretne odpor R65 je uveden jako 33ohmu, ale podle seznamu > soucastek na http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php ma byt 12ohmu. > > mimo to se ted nemuzu na http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png nejak > dostat :(( Ja se tam ted dostat muzu. Pripsal jsem na wikinu ze to obsahuje bugy. Cl< From maco at host.sk Mon Oct 25 14:26:37 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Mon Oct 25 14:26:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Komplet zoznam suciastok na moduly In-Reply-To: <000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <20041024183915.GB30312@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <417CFF0D.6000409@host.sk> Kedze nikde to nebolo poriadne dokopy tu je XLS file s mnozstvom suciastko ktore sa maju kupit na RX a TX 2+2x Na strankach je to zvlast a niektore suciastky sa opakuju a v GME sa im to nepacilo tak som spravil rychly zoznam enjoy http://www.maco.sk/ronja/ine/ronja_moduly.xls maco From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Oct 25 14:42:58 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Oct 25 14:40:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] oscilatory 16MHz Message-ID: <200410251542.58729.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Zdravim nemate nekdo (nepujdete ted nekdy kupovat) oscilatory pro twistera a nebyl by ochcoten nekdo mi vzit dva a poslat mi je. Penize nejak vyresime (prevodem, dobirkou, v obalce apod). Dik S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Oct 25 14:52:18 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Michal_Mal=C5=AF=C5=A1ek?=) Date: Mon Oct 25 14:52:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] oscilatory 16MHz References: <200410251542.58729.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <000701c4ba99$d82dcf60$0103450a@thechosen> me by se zase hodil nejakej levnej zdroj, ikdyby to meli byt smd oscilatory.v gme jsoudrahe a chci jich asi deset. nevite nekdo o necem? Glo ---------------------- Zdravim nemate nekdo (nepujdete ted nekdy kupovat) oscilatory pro twistera a nebyl by ochcoten nekdo mi vzit dva a poslat mi je. Penize nejak vyresime (prevodem, dobirkou, v obalce apod). Dik S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 25 15:48:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 25 15:48:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: AUI schematic materials different from the picture shown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041025144837.GB3890@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 10:07:37PM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: > Hi, > > I'm interested in building this device. I realize that the > materials needed shown there is 8 components of IC > Integrated Circuits: > ------------------------------------------------------------ > 1x 74HC00 ........................................... 6.00 ( 6.00) > 1x 74HC04 ........................................... 7.00 ( 7.00) > 1x 74HC14 ........................................... 6.00 ( 6.00) > 1x 74HC32 ........................................... 7.00 ( 7.00) > 1x 74HCT14 .......................................... 8.00 ( 8.00) > 1x 74HC74 ........................................... 8.00 ( 8.00) > 1x 74HCT132 ......................................... 8.00 ( 8.00) > 1x LM7805 ........................................... 8.00 ( 8.00) > > But the pictures show on success built AUI has only 5 ICs. The 5-IC is an old, buggy design, named AUI Interface. The newer design is called AUI Forte and is presumably BugFree(TM) ;-) and has more IC's. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 25 15:51:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 25 15:51:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Komplet zoznam suciastok na moduly In-Reply-To: <417CFF0D.6000409@host.sk> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <20041024183915.GB30312@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> <417CFF0D.6000409@host.sk> Message-ID: <20041025145120.GC3890@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 03:26:37PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Kedze nikde to nebolo poriadne dokopy tu je XLS file s mnozstvom > suciastko ktore sa maju kupit na RX a TX 2+2x > > Na strankach je to zvlast a niektore suciastky sa opakuju a v GME sa im > to nepacilo tak som spravil rychly zoznam Ktere se opakuji? Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Oct 25 17:25:07 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Oct 25 17:30:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net><20041023083025.GA13007@beton.cybernet.src> <005001c4b90c$adf558a0$0101a8c0@cz> <000f01c4ba69$0e1ed2d0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <002e01c4baaf$3134bf00$0101a8c0@cz> Je to 10mW (zkousel jsem i 20mW, ale cela serie je z GME vadna). Na obrazku je prvni pokus (dosud bezi... dle Highlandra). Pote jsem zkousel ukazovatko z GME (bez tlacitka), tam je treba vymenit laser diodu (original je tak 3mW) za 10mW z GME. Trochu si pohrat se zaostrenim a vysledek byl ten, ze na 4.2km jsem mel funkcni signal...cca 500RSSI. http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/Ronjader.jpg Prijmac funguje pri 10MBps od RSSI 300. Typicky je signal takovejdle: http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/rssi/rssi.html Jinak dle obrazku je jasne, ze na kazdou stranu spoje muzes dat neco jineho. Cloud co ma penize a nema cas stavet si svou stranu koupi ...pulku Crusadera. A cloud , ktery nema penize a chce si svou stranu spoje postavit si postavi Ronju. Proti sobe to funguje....na 10Mbps je modulace stejna jak z ML6652, tak i z Twistera. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malusek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy > to je 10mW laser dioda z GM? nebo 20mW a peres do ni jen 10mW. a optiku jsi > pouzil z toho modulu s tlacitkem? > > Glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "-=RYS=-" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy > > > > Asi tak Karle.....starwars rulez in laser system 10mW RED......400m in > > fog....working! > > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/01.jpg > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/02.jpg > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/03.jpg > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/laser_TX/04.jpg > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/TXlaser_ronja.jpg > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/mlha-utlum.jpg > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/st300m_mlha.jpg > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/starwars_nad_sidlistem2.jpg > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/starwars_nad_sidlistem4.jpg > > > > > > Starwars rules....enjoy laser system (i testing on 4200m!!!!!!!) > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 10:21:35AM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > > > > mno v tomhle tydnu vypadavali vsude i profesionalni laserbity, atd.. > > > > ber to tak, ze je to proste optika, takze musi videt stejne jako > clovek, > > > > coz za mlhy proste nejde... > > > > My tu mame 130mm roury na 300m, RSSI je bezne asi 4V, ale proste v > > > > tomhle tejdnu mela taky par hodin vypadek... co se da delat... > > > > > > Zvednout zatuchle telo od pocitace, protahnout zprachnivele udy a vyjit > > > ven podivat se na starwars :) > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Oct 25 17:27:03 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Oct 25 17:32:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <20041024183915.GB30312@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041024185113.GA30389@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003f01c4baaf$7882d5e0$0101a8c0@cz> Tak o 80% signal dole. Mam tu experimentalni 400m trasu, kde zkousim ruzne veci.....stalej tuning :) Takze potom i za slabeho deste ...vypadek. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 08:43:18PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Mozna by to chtelo Karle napsat do navodu , aby se 2x za rok slo na strechu > > do stetcem otrit. > > Zjistil jsem, ze prach neni az tak problem, ale mrchy pavouci...to problem > > je. > > Si hajzlove udelaj pavucinu pred cockou a je konec. > > Jak ten konec vypada? Ja mam pavouky na spouste vysilacu a zadny problemy > nepozoruju. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 25 17:41:54 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Oct 25 17:41:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] oscilatory 16MHz In-Reply-To: <000701c4ba99$d82dcf60$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <417D48F2.7564.7C042@localhost> http://www.spezial.cz/ - ale musi se poptat konkretni typ a dodani chvili trva. Normalne nabizeji drazsi programovatelne. On 25 Oct 2004 at 15:52, Michal Mal????ek wrote: > me by se zase hodil nejakej levnej zdroj, ikdyby to meli byt smd > oscilatory.v gme jsoudrahe a chci jich asi deset. nevite nekdo o necem? > > Glo > > ---------------------- > > > Zdravim > nemate nekdo (nepujdete ted nekdy kupovat) oscilatory pro twistera a nebyl > by > ochcoten nekdo mi vzit dva a poslat mi je. Penize nejak vyresime (prevodem, > dobirkou, v obalce apod). > > Dik > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc?? odd??len?? syst??mov?? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln?? 71, 796 01 Prost??jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From flash-x at seznam.cz Mon Oct 25 17:55:44 2004 From: flash-x at seznam.cz (Flashx) Date: Mon Oct 25 17:57:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s rychlosti Message-ID: <417D3010.3040901@seznam.cz> Potrebuji poradit v sobotu jsme nainstalovali ronju a mame problem jede polovicni rychlosti v obou smerech.Sitovky jsou pouzity realtek 8139D a SMC nastaveni je spravne na obou stranach 10Mbit fullduplex aneg vypnuto. -sk- From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 25 17:59:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 25 17:59:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <003f01c4baaf$7882d5e0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <20041024183915.GB30312@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041024185113.GA30389@beton.cybernet.src> <003f01c4baaf$7882d5e0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041025165903.GA4618@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 06:27:03PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Tak o 80% signal dole. Co znamena o 80% signal dole? Ze pavucina zachyti 80% svetla? Muzes tu pavucinu vyfotit? Cl< > Mam tu experimentalni 400m trasu, kde zkousim ruzne veci.....stalej tuning > :) > Takze potom i za slabeho deste ...vypadek. > > -=RYS=- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 08:43:18PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Mozna by to chtelo Karle napsat do navodu , aby se 2x za rok slo na > strechu > > > do stetcem otrit. > > > Zjistil jsem, ze prach neni az tak problem, ale mrchy pavouci...to > problem > > > je. > > > Si hajzlove udelaj pavucinu pred cockou a je konec. > > > > Jak ten konec vypada? Ja mam pavouky na spouste vysilacu a zadny problemy > > nepozoruju. From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 25 18:00:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 25 18:00:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s rychlosti In-Reply-To: <417D3010.3040901@seznam.cz> References: <417D3010.3040901@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20041025170002.GB4618@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 06:55:44PM +0200, Flashx wrote: > Potrebuji poradit v sobotu jsme nainstalovali > ronju a mame problem jede polovicni rychlosti > v obou smerech.Sitovky jsou pouzity realtek 8139D Ronja nemuze ject polovicni rychlosti. Jede bud 10Mbps spolehlive, nebo 10Mbps s packetlossem, nebo nejede vubec. Popiste presneji zavadu. Cl< From czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz Mon Oct 25 18:02:42 2004 From: czfree_doubravice at paleo.cz (pupik) Date: Mon Oct 25 18:02:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy In-Reply-To: <002e01c4baaf$3134bf00$0101a8c0@cz> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net><20041023083025.GA13007@beton.cybernet.src> <005001c4b90c$adf558a0$0101a8c0@cz> <000f01c4ba69$0e1ed2d0$0103450a@thechosen> <002e01c4baaf$3134bf00$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <34282582062.20041025190242@paleo.cz> Dobr? den. Mas nekde nafocenou a alespon castecne zdokumentovanou verzi s tim laser-ukazovatkem z GME?? Kde je hygienicka hranice vykonu pouzite laser-led? (Je tech 20 mW jeste v norme?) Kde sehnat ty 20 mW "nevadne"? Diky. --- R> Je to 10mW (zkousel jsem i 20mW, ale cela serie je z GME vadna). R> Na obrazku je prvni pokus (dosud bezi... dle Highlandra). R> Pote jsem zkousel ukazovatko z GME (bez tlacitka), tam je treba vymenit R> laser diodu (original je tak 3mW) za 10mW z GME. R> Trochu si pohrat se zaostrenim a vysledek byl ten, ze na 4.2km jsem mel R> funkcni signal...cca 500RSSI. R> http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/Ronjader.jpg R> Prijmac funguje pri 10MBps od RSSI 300. R> Typicky je signal takovejdle: R> http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/rssi/rssi.html R> Jinak dle obrazku je jasne, ze na kazdou stranu spoje muzes dat neco jineho. R> Cloud co ma penize a nema cas stavet si svou stranu koupi ...pulku R> Crusadera. R> A cloud , ktery nema penize a chce si svou stranu spoje postavit si postavi R> Ronju. R> Proti sobe to funguje....na 10Mbps je modulace stejna jak z ML6652, tak i z R> Twistera. S?ti zdar! --- Radovan Moser (pupik) http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) ICQ-ID: 15521245 From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Oct 25 18:02:41 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Oct 25 18:02:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] oscilatory 16MHz References: <417D48F2.7564.7C042@localhost> Message-ID: <001901c4bab4$7054c5e0$0103450a@thechosen> tohle sme cece take vygooglil,. docela me tam zaujali i ide flashdisky :) ty jsi tam uz oscilatory kupoval? nebo nekdo jiny. zajimala by me aspon orientacni cena. Glo ------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Michal Mal??EDek?=" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] oscilatory 16MHz http://www.spezial.cz/ - ale musi se poptat konkretni typ a dodani chvili trva. Normalne nabizeji drazsi programovatelne. On 25 Oct 2004 at 15:52, Michal Mal????ek wrote: > me by se zase hodil nejakej levnej zdroj, ikdyby to meli byt smd > oscilatory.v gme jsoudrahe a chci jich asi deset. nevite nekdo o necem? > > Glo > > ---------------------- > > > Zdravim > nemate nekdo (nepujdete ted nekdy kupovat) oscilatory pro twistera a nebyl > by > ochcoten nekdo mi vzit dva a poslat mi je. Penize nejak vyresime (prevodem, > dobirkou, v obalce apod). > > Dik > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc?? odd??len?? syst??mov?? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln?? 71, 796 01 Prost??jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 25 18:15:48 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Oct 25 18:15:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] oscilatory 16MHz In-Reply-To: <001901c4bab4$7054c5e0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <417D50E4.9354.26CA0A@localhost> Kupoval to tam kolega. Tyhle 16MHz oscilatory meli o cca 20Kc levnejsi nez v GM pri odberu cca 20kusu ale cekalo se na ne tri dny. Si kazdy musi zvazit jestli se mu to vyplati - zaplati postovne nebo musi prijit osobne. Tahle firma sidli v Praze Dejvicich asi 1km od Kulataku. > tohle sme cece take vygooglil,. docela me tam zaujali i ide flashdisky :) > ty jsi tam uz oscilatory kupoval? nebo nekdo jiny. zajimala by me aspon > orientacni cena. > > Glo > > ------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Seliger" > To: "Michal Mal??EDek?=" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] oscilatory 16MHz > > > http://www.spezial.cz/ - ale musi se poptat konkretni typ a dodani chvili > trva. Normalne nabizeji > drazsi programovatelne. > > On 25 Oct 2004 at 15:52, Michal Mal ?ek wrote: > > > me by se zase hodil nejakej levnej zdroj, ikdyby to meli byt smd > > oscilatory.v gme jsoudrahe a chci jich asi deset. nevite nekdo o necem? > > > > Glo > > > > ---------------------- > > > > > > Zdravim > > nemate nekdo (nepujdete ted nekdy kupovat) oscilatory pro twistera a nebyl > > by > > ochcoten nekdo mi vzit dva a poslat mi je. Penize nejak vyresime > (prevodem, > > dobirkou, v obalce apod). > > > > Dik > > > > S pozdravem > > -- > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > > vedouc odd? len syst mov podpory > > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > > Doln 71, 796 01 Prost? jov > > tel: 582 330 301 > > fax: 582 330 302 > > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > > http://www.melzer.cz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Oct 25 18:28:24 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Oct 25 18:28:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Osazovak na twistera ala cipis References: <417CC11E.20406@katka.biz> <20041025095136.GD556@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <006801c4bab8$08a079e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> opraveno Cipis P.S. Jsme bezdr?tem, tak to obcas chc?pne. V pr?ci jaksi nem?m cas dodelat ronju :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Osazovak na twistera ala cipis > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 11:02:22AM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > > Vsiml jsem si, ze na osazovaku od cipise, na ktery je odkaz na wiky > > (http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions) ma > > chybku. Konkretne odpor R65 je uveden jako 33ohmu, ale podle seznamu > > soucastek na http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php ma byt 12ohmu. > > > > mimo to se ted nemuzu na http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png nejak > > dostat :(( > > Ja se tam ted dostat muzu. > > Pripsal jsem na wikinu ze to obsahuje bugy. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Oct 25 18:34:00 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Oct 25 18:34:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Osazovak na twistera ala cipis References: <417CC11E.20406@katka.biz> <20041025095136.GD556@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <007801c4bab8$d031f420$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> hmm, uz se tam nejak nemuzu prihl?sit ... Cipis > > Pripsal jsem na wikinu ze to obsahuje bugy. > > Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Oct 25 19:04:59 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Oct 25 19:10:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <20041024183915.GB30312@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041024185113.GA30389@beton.cybernet.src> <003f01c4baaf$7882d5e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041025165903.GA4618@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 06:27:03PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Tak o 80% signal dole. > > Co znamena o 80% signal dole? Ze pavucina zachyti 80% svetla? Ano, alespon dle sily signalu RSSI. > Ted tam pochopitelne neni...je to vec rok stara. -=RYS=- > Muzes tu pavucinu vyfotit? > > Cl< > > Mam tu experimentalni 400m trasu, kde zkousim ruzne veci.....stalej tuning > > :) > > Takze potom i za slabeho deste ...vypadek. > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 08:43:18PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > Mozna by to chtelo Karle napsat do navodu , aby se 2x za rok slo na > > strechu > > > > do stetcem otrit. > > > > Zjistil jsem, ze prach neni az tak problem, ale mrchy pavouci...to > > problem > > > > je. > > > > Si hajzlove udelaj pavucinu pred cockou a je konec. > > > > > > Jak ten konec vypada? Ja mam pavouky na spouste vysilacu a zadny problemy > > > nepozoruju. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From mixaj at mymail.cz Mon Oct 25 19:08:06 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Mon Oct 25 19:12:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Komplet zoznam suciastok na moduly References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz><417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz><417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz><417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <20041024183915.GB30312@beton.cybernet.src><000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> <417CFF0D.6000409@host.sk> Message-ID: <006c01c4babe$23628bf0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Takovyto seznam v XLS jsme davno udelal, ale jak mi Karel Kulhavy vysvetlil, je to nepouzitelny..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: [Ronja] Komplet zoznam suciastok na moduly > Kedze nikde to nebolo poriadne dokopy tu je XLS file s mnozstvom > suciastko ktore sa maju kupit na RX a TX 2+2x > > Na strankach je to zvlast a niektore suciastky sa opakuju a v GME sa im > to nepacilo tak som spravil rychly zoznam > > enjoy > > http://www.maco.sk/ronja/ine/ronja_moduly.xls > > > maco > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Oct 25 19:14:41 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Oct 25 19:19:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz> <417A148F.7060205@poupe.net><20041023083025.GA13007@beton.cybernet.src> <005001c4b90c$adf558a0$0101a8c0@cz> <000f01c4ba69$0e1ed2d0$0103450a@thechosen> <002e01c4baaf$3134bf00$0101a8c0@cz> <34282582062.20041025190242@paleo.cz> Message-ID: <005401c4babe$8134f2e0$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "pupik" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] Jak zvysit dosah Ronje za mlhy > Dobr? den. > > Mas nekde nafocenou a alespon castecne zdokumentovanou > verzi s tim laser-ukazovatkem z GME?? Vse mam tady...najdi si to: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/ > Kde je hygienicka hranice vykonu pouzite laser-led? > (Je tech 20 mW jeste v norme?) Ano do 35mW je to v norme pri dane divergenci a vlnove delce. > Kde sehnat ty 20 mW "nevadne"? Treba tady: http://www.mit-laser.cz/c/nizkovykonne%20kontinualni_laserove_diody.htm > Diky. > --- Snad me za to Clock nevykopne z konfery. Protoze to neni Ronja. -=RYS=- > > R> Je to 10mW (zkousel jsem i 20mW, ale cela serie je z GME vadna). > R> Na obrazku je prvni pokus (dosud bezi... dle Highlandra). > R> Pote jsem zkousel ukazovatko z GME (bez tlacitka), tam je treba vymenit > R> laser diodu (original je tak 3mW) za 10mW z GME. > R> Trochu si pohrat se zaostrenim a vysledek byl ten, ze na 4.2km jsem mel > R> funkcni signal...cca 500RSSI. > R> http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/Ronjader.jpg > R> Prijmac funguje pri 10MBps od RSSI 300. > R> Typicky je signal takovejdle: > R> http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/rssi/rssi.html > > R> Jinak dle obrazku je jasne, ze na kazdou stranu spoje muzes dat neco jineho. > R> Cloud co ma penize a nema cas stavet si svou stranu koupi ...pulku > R> Crusadera. > R> A cloud , ktery nema penize a chce si svou stranu spoje postavit si postavi > R> Ronju. > R> Proti sobe to funguje....na 10Mbps je modulace stejna jak z ML6652, tak i z > R> Twistera. > > S?ti zdar! > --- > Radovan Moser (pupik) > http://www.CZFreeCB.Net - Wirelless Broadband NET (Doubravice) > ICQ-ID: 15521245 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Oct 25 19:37:29 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Oct 25 19:37:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] oscilatory 16MHz In-Reply-To: <417D50E4.9354.26CA0A@localhost> References: <001901c4bab4$7054c5e0$0103450a@thechosen> <417D50E4.9354.26CA0A@localhost> Message-ID: <1866873802.20041025203729@volny.cz> Ja jsem jich tam kupoval 6ks, cekal jsem na ne mesic (nechtel jsem ty programovatelne), usetril jsem asi 10Kc/ks a prodelal spoustu casu. Zaver: budu je kupovat v GM a kdyz je mit nebudou, tak holt pockam. Ondra PS> Kupoval to tam kolega. Tyhle 16MHz oscilatory meli o cca 20Kc levnejsi nez v GM pri odberu PS> cca 20kusu ale cekalo se na ne tri dny. PS> Si kazdy musi zvazit jestli se mu to vyplati - zaplati PS> postovne nebo musi prijit osobne. Tahle PS> firma sidli v Praze Dejvicich asi 1km od Kulataku. >> tohle sme cece take vygooglil,. docela me tam zaujali i ide flashdisky :) >> ty jsi tam uz oscilatory kupoval? nebo nekdo jiny. zajimala by me aspon >> orientacni cena. >> >> Glo >> >> ------- >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Petr Seliger" >> To: "Michal Mal??EDek?=" ; "Twibright Ronja" >> >> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] oscilatory 16MHz >> >> >> http://www.spezial.cz/ - ale musi se poptat konkretni typ a dodani chvili >> trva. Normalne nabizeji >> drazsi programovatelne. >> >> On 25 Oct 2004 at 15:52, Michal Mal ?ek wrote: >> >> > me by se zase hodil nejakej levnej zdroj, ikdyby to meli byt smd >> > oscilatory.v gme jsoudrahe a chci jich asi deset. nevite nekdo o necem? >> > >> > Glo >> > >> > ---------------------- >> > >> > >> > Zdravim >> > nemate nekdo (nepujdete ted nekdy kupovat) oscilatory pro twistera a nebyl >> > by >> > ochcoten nekdo mi vzit dva a poslat mi je. Penize nejak vyresime >> (prevodem, >> > dobirkou, v obalce apod). >> > >> > Dik >> > >> > S pozdravem >> > -- >> > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo >> > >> > >> > Ing. Petr Zapadlo >> > vedouc odd? len syst mov podpory >> > Melzer, spol. s r.o. >> > Doln 71, 796 01 Prost? jov >> > tel: 582 330 301 >> > fax: 582 330 302 >> > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz >> > http://www.melzer.cz >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ronja mailing list >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ronja mailing list >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja PS> _______________________________________________ PS> Ronja mailing list PS> Ronja@lists.pointless.net PS> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 25 19:54:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Oct 25 19:54:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> References: <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz> <417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz> <417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <20041024183915.GB30312@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041024185113.GA30389@beton.cybernet.src> <003f01c4baaf$7882d5e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041025165903.GA4618@beton.cybernet.src> <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041025185403.GA5354@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 08:04:59PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 06:27:03PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Tak o 80% signal dole. > > > > Co znamena o 80% signal dole? Ze pavucina zachyti 80% svetla? > Ano, alespon dle sily signalu RSSI. Muzes to presneji popsat jak jsi z hodnot zmereneho RSSI odvodil, ze pavucina zachycuje 80% svetla? Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 25 20:28:27 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Oct 25 20:27:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <20041025185403.GA5354@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> No asi celkem snadno. Na prilozenem grafu je patrne, ze po zlogaritmovani namerenych hodnot napeti na vystupu detektoru rssi se dvema diodama v zavislosti na vzdalenosti dostaneme prijatelne linearni prubeh zavislosti na dopadajicim optickem vykonu pro napeti rssi absolutne mensi nez 3V. Z toho se uz neco vyvodit necha. Navic pokud takovej malinkatej hajzlik pavouk udela svoji pavucinu co vypada jako hedvabny kapesnik a ta se orosi tak se 80procent vykonu hrave ztrati. Ta pavucina mozna funguje jako goretexova membrana a muze zvysovat koncentraci vodnich par v prostru mezi pavucinou a cockou oproti okoli az dojde ke kondenzaci na cocke v rozsahu vyssim nez bez pavuciny. On 25 Oct 2004 at 18:54, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 08:04:59PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 06:27:03PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > Tak o 80% signal dole. > > > > > > Co znamena o 80% signal dole? Ze pavucina zachyti 80% svetla? > > Ano, alespon dle sily signalu RSSI. > > Muzes to presneji popsat jak jsi z hodnot zmereneho RSSI odvodil, > ze pavucina zachycuje 80% svetla? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Oct 25 20:30:15 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Oct 25 20:29:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> References: <20041025185403.GA5354@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <417D7067.9682.42248B@localhost> Pardon, jesten ten graf... -------------- next part -------------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: RSSI.png Date: 25 Oct 2004, 21:17 Size: 10812 bytes. Type: Unknown -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RSSI.png Type: application/octet-stream Size: 10812 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041025/58ca85eb/RSSI.obj From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 26 12:51:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Oct 26 12:51:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: AUI schematic materials different from the picture shown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041026115140.GA9444@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 06:10:11AM +0000, LOO SHICHANG wrote: > Hi Karel Kulhavy, > > Thanks for your reply. So I just follow exactly > like what stated in the schematics. Thanks. I have another question is > that the software parts. Do we have to develop any software? or just > treat it as a plug and play device? http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/modules.php There are software requirements. Please do not use HTML-only emails anymore. They are a nuissance. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Oct 26 14:18:42 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Oct 26 14:23:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> Message-ID: <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> Jo asi takhle to nejak bude. Jinak mereni jsem provadel na jinem prijmaci : http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/Ronjader.jpg Na vzdalenost 400m. Ptal jsem se po nejake chemikalii co by se natrela zevnitr na stitek a ktera by odrazovala hmyz apod.. Zatim mi nikdo ze znamejch neodpovedel. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > No asi celkem snadno. Na prilozenem grafu je patrne, ze po zlogaritmovani namerenych > hodnot napeti na vystupu detektoru rssi se dvema diodama v zavislosti na vzdalenosti > dostaneme prijatelne linearni prubeh zavislosti na dopadajicim optickem vykonu pro napeti rssi > absolutne mensi nez 3V. Z toho se uz neco vyvodit necha. > Navic pokud takovej malinkatej hajzlik pavouk udela svoji pavucinu co vypada jako hedvabny > kapesnik a ta se orosi tak se 80procent vykonu hrave ztrati. Ta pavucina mozna funguje jako > goretexova membrana a muze zvysovat koncentraci vodnich par v prostru mezi pavucinou a > cockou oproti okoli az dojde ke kondenzaci na cocke v rozsahu vyssim nez bez pavuciny. > > On 25 Oct 2004 at 18:54, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 08:04:59PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:59 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 06:27:03PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > > Tak o 80% signal dole. > > > > > > > > Co znamena o 80% signal dole? Ze pavucina zachyti 80% svetla? > > > Ano, alespon dle sily signalu RSSI. > > > > Muzes to presneji popsat jak jsi z hodnot zmereneho RSSI odvodil, > > ze pavucina zachycuje 80% svetla? > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 26 20:34:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Oct 26 20:34:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> Message-ID: <20041026193416.GD10598@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:28:27PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > No asi celkem snadno. Na prilozenem grafu je patrne, ze po zlogaritmovani namerenych > hodnot napeti na vystupu detektoru rssi se dvema diodama v zavislosti na vzdalenosti > dostaneme prijatelne linearni prubeh zavislosti na dopadajicim optickem vykonu pro napeti rssi > absolutne mensi nez 3V. Z toho se uz neco vyvodit necha. Me podle toho tvaru grafu a tvyho vykladu prijde, ze to rozhodne linearni nebude. Muzes vysvetlit, proc by to podle tebe tak melo bejt? > Navic pokud takovej malinkatej hajzlik pavouk udela svoji pavucinu co vypada > jako hedvabny kapesnik a ta se orosi tak se 80procent vykonu hrave ztrati. Ta > pavucina mozna funguje jako goretexova membrana a muze zvysovat koncentraci > vodnich par v prostru mezi pavucinou a cockou oproti okoli az dojde ke > kondenzaci na cocke v rozsahu vyssim nez bez pavuciny. Nicmene ani z tohohle jeste nejak neplyne proc by to melo bejt zrovna 80%. Nebudu ti verit dokud nedodas nemarenene hodnoty RSSI z kterych jsi to pocital. Pavucinu ktera by pohlcovala na pruchod 80% svetla jsem teda rozhodne jeste nevidel. Ty nejhustsi (i orosene) co jsem videl mohly pohlcovat odhadem tak mozna 5% (bohuzel si to nepamatuju nijak presne). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 26 20:41:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Oct 26 20:41:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 03:18:42PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Jo asi takhle to nejak bude. > Jinak mereni jsem provadel na jinem prijmaci : > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/Ronjader.jpg A jak jsou z hlediska Ronji a propustnosti pavucin relevantni nejaky hausnumera ktery padaj z nejakyho komercniho prijimace optiky kterej s Ronjou nema spolecny ani ?? Jinak k tomu obrazku, Ronja infra TX se jmenuje Nebulus a to co je na obrazku rozhodne Nebulus neni. Jeho elektronika vypada jinak. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 26 20:53:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Oct 26 20:53:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> Message-ID: <20041026195339.GA11337@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:28:27PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > No asi celkem snadno. Na prilozenem grafu je patrne, ze po zlogaritmovani namerenych > hodnot napeti na vystupu detektoru rssi se dvema diodama v zavislosti na vzdalenosti > dostaneme prijatelne linearni prubeh zavislosti na dopadajicim optickem vykonu pro napeti rssi > absolutne mensi nez 3V. Z toho se uz neco vyvodit necha. Jeste se chci zeptat, jakym zpusobem ten graf byl zhotoven. V blizkosti souradnic 7cm, 3.8V je na grafu "roh" (zlom), ktery je _mezi_ dvema krizkama. Predpokladam, ze ty krizky jsou namerene hodnoty. Nedokazu si predstavit zadnou rozumnou interpolacni techniku, ktera by zlom takhle vytvorila. Jak to bylo delane? Predstavuji krizky skutecne namerene hodnoty? Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Oct 26 21:00:10 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Tue Oct 26 21:00:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz><417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost><003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001301c4bb96$665d8530$0103450a@thechosen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 03:18:42PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Jo asi takhle to nejak bude. > > Jinak mereni jsem provadel na jinem prijmaci : > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/Ronjader.jpg > > A jak jsou z hlediska Ronji a propustnosti pavucin relevantni nejaky hausnumera > ktery padaj z nejakyho komercniho prijimace optiky kterej s Ronjou nema > spolecny ani ?? > > Jinak k tomu obrazku, Ronja infra TX se jmenuje Nebulus a to co je na obrazku > rozhodne Nebulus neni. Jeho elektronika vypada jinak. ja tda nevim ale co tam mel napsat kdyz do normalniho tx dali infra led? :) ten obrazek je myslim starsi nez si zacal nebulus vyvijet. nsad nemyslis ze kvuli tomu nekdo bude prepisovat texty v obrazcich Glo > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Korda.m at seznam.cz Tue Oct 26 21:20:30 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Tue Oct 26 21:19:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz><417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost><003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz><20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <001301c4bb96$665d8530$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <001301c4bb99$3e72ae30$07086b0a@atintel> Tak me napada v cem bude Nebulus lepsi nez Ronja s infra LED v RYSove provedeni? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Mal??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 03:18:42PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: >> > Jo asi takhle to nejak bude. >> > Jinak mereni jsem provadel na jinem prijmaci : >> > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/Ronjader.jpg >> >> A jak jsou z hlediska Ronji a propustnosti pavucin relevantni nejaky > hausnumera >> ktery padaj z nejakyho komercniho prijimace optiky kterej s Ronjou nema >> spolecny ani ?? >> >> Jinak k tomu obrazku, Ronja infra TX se jmenuje Nebulus a to co je na > obrazku >> rozhodne Nebulus neni. Jeho elektronika vypada jinak. > > ja tda nevim ale co tam mel napsat kdyz do normalniho tx dali infra led? > :) > ten obrazek je myslim starsi nez si zacal nebulus vyvijet. nsad nemyslis > ze > kvuli tomu nekdo bude prepisovat texty v obrazcich > > Glo >> >> Cl< >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Oct 26 21:38:59 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Oct 26 21:38:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <20041026195339.GA11337@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> Message-ID: <417ED203.9211.12896F6@localhost> On 26 Oct 2004 at 19:53, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:28:27PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > No asi celkem snadno. Na prilozenem grafu je patrne, ze po zlogaritmovani namerenych > > hodnot napeti na vystupu detektoru rssi se dvema diodama v zavislosti na vzdalenosti > > dostaneme prijatelne linearni prubeh zavislosti na dopadajicim optickem vykonu pro napeti rssi > > absolutne mensi nez 3V. Z toho se uz neco vyvodit necha. > > Jeste se chci zeptat, jakym zpusobem ten graf byl zhotoven. Micro$oft Excel. > > V blizkosti souradnic 7cm, 3.8V je na grafu "roh" (zlom), ktery je _mezi_ > dvema krizkama. Predpokladam, ze ty krizky jsou namerene hodnoty. Krizky jsou namerene hodnoty ve voltech. > > Nedokazu si predstavit zadnou rozumnou interpolacni techniku, ktera by zlom > takhle vytvorila. Jak to bylo delane? Predstavuji krizky skutecne namerene > hodnoty? Takhle interpoluje strejda Bill Gate$. Kupodivu tam docela ostry zlom je i ve zkutecnosti. Mel bys to Karle vedet, co ti ten tvuj obvudek produkuje. Petr Seliger From maco at host.sk Tue Oct 26 21:50:19 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Oct 26 21:50:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Komplet zoznam suciastok na moduly In-Reply-To: <006c01c4babe$23628bf0$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <417A13EB.7010606@seznam.cz><417A148F.7060205@poupe.net> <004701c4b90b$afc7c420$0101a8c0@cz><417B75A2.7090408@seznam.cz> <000f01c4b9e9$25fef180$0101a8c0@cz><417BE1FE.8060105@sattnet.cz> <20041024183915.GB30312@beton.cybernet.src><000c01c4b9f9$54e1dca0$0101a8c0@cz> <417CFF0D.6000409@host.sk> <006c01c4babe$23628bf0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <417EB88B.2070507@host.sk> Mne prislo celkom trapne ked som vytiahol v GME zoznam RX a TX a opakovali sa tam hodnoty ako v jednom tak aj v druhom zozname pricom som si musel pocitat kolo ma to vyjde na 2+2 moduly. Takto som dal zoznam predavacovi a odfrknul som prec. Prisiel som si pre komplet. A tych par odporov ktore tam mam navyse ma nezabije financne :) To bola odpoved aj na Clockovu otazku. m. Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >Takovyto seznam v XLS jsme davno udelal, ale jak mi Karel Kulhavy vysvetlil, >je to nepouzitelny..... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marcel Hecko" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:26 PM >Subject: [Ronja] Komplet zoznam suciastok na moduly > > > > >>Kedze nikde to nebolo poriadne dokopy tu je XLS file s mnozstvom >>suciastko ktore sa maju kupit na RX a TX 2+2x >> >>Na strankach je to zvlast a niektore suciastky sa opakuju a v GME sa im >>to nepacilo tak som spravil rychly zoznam >> >>enjoy >> >>http://www.maco.sk/ronja/ine/ronja_moduly.xls >> >> >>maco >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.905 (20041024) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From maco at host.sk Tue Oct 26 21:58:57 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Oct 26 21:59:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <417D7067.9682.42248B@localhost> References: <20041025185403.GA5354@beton.cybernet.src> <417D7067.9682.42248B@localhost> Message-ID: <417EBA91.6030708@host.sk> Mam niekolk otazok na Simandla priamo alebo na niekoho kto rozumie tycm jeho RX a TX Niektore suciastky su v obvodoch na RX zmenene, alebo chybaju. Chyba napriklad z original obvodu pre RX podla Clocka kondenzator C154 (1n) ktory je tam asi na stabilizaciu obvody, teda ten tam pridam aj ked ni je na plosaku dierka :) Dalej chyba z originalu C177, co je kondenzator ktory sa priamo priletuva ku RX koaxu na strednu zilu a prepaja sa so zemou. Jeho hodnota by mala byt 220n - chyba, mam ho tam prirobit? Neviem to preto, lebo v tej casti obvodu su pomenene hodnoty suciastok C172 a R122 (namiesto original 100n je 3n3 a namiesto 100k je 2M2). Mam to robit podla originalu alebo Simandla? Upozornujem, ze jeden prepoj na SImandlovi mi uz bezi s jeho parametrami. Este dvez meny som zbadal a to je C175 (alebo 176) ktory ma namiesto hodnoty 2.2n hodnotu 100n a namiesto originalu ktore sa napajaju na NE592 (C161 - 270p) ma Simandl 82n a 100Ohm seriovo. Kazda rada dobra. Dakujem Marcel Hecko aka maco www.blava.net From maco at host.sk Tue Oct 26 22:00:03 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Oct 26 22:00:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl RX a TX (sorry za predchadzajuci toppic) In-Reply-To: <417EBA91.6030708@host.sk> References: <20041025185403.GA5354@beton.cybernet.src> <417D7067.9682.42248B@localhost> <417EBA91.6030708@host.sk> Message-ID: <417EBAD3.7020807@host.sk> Mam niekolk otazok na Simandla priamo alebo na niekoho kto rozumie tycm jeho RX a TX Niektore suciastky su v obvodoch na RX zmenene, alebo chybaju. Chyba napriklad z original obvodu pre RX podla Clocka kondenzator C154 (1n) ktory je tam asi na stabilizaciu obvody, teda ten tam pridam aj ked ni je na plosaku dierka :) Dalej chyba z originalu C177, co je kondenzator ktory sa priamo priletuva ku RX koaxu na strednu zilu a prepaja sa so zemou. Jeho hodnota by mala byt 220n - chyba, mam ho tam prirobit? Neviem to preto, lebo v tej casti obvodu su pomenene hodnoty suciastok C172 a R122 (namiesto original 100n je 3n3 a namiesto 100k je 2M2). Mam to robit podla originalu alebo Simandla? Upozornujem, ze jeden prepoj na SImandlovi mi uz bezi s jeho parametrami. Este dvez meny som zbadal a to je C175 (alebo 176) ktory ma namiesto hodnoty 2.2n hodnotu 100n a namiesto originalu ktore sa napajaju na NE592 (C161 - 270p) ma Simandl 82n a 100Ohm seriovo. Kazda rada dobra. Dakujem Marcel Hecko aka maco www.blava.net From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Oct 26 22:06:42 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Oct 26 22:05:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <20041026193416.GD10598@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> Message-ID: <417ED882.15090.141F795@localhost> > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:28:27PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > No asi celkem snadno. Na prilozenem grafu je patrne, ze po zlogaritmovani namerenych > > hodnot napeti na vystupu detektoru rssi se dvema diodama v zavislosti na vzdalenosti > > dostaneme prijatelne linearni prubeh zavislosti na dopadajicim optickem vykonu pro napeti rssi > > absolutne mensi nez 3V. Z toho se uz neco vyvodit necha. > > Me podle toho tvaru grafu a tvyho vykladu prijde, ze to rozhodne linearni > nebude. Muzes vysvetlit, proc by to podle tebe tak melo bejt? Prijatelne linearni to bude. Idea: Led bez optiky sviti pod urcitym vyzarovacim uhlem. Pokud se budeme od ni vzdalovat, bude vykon dopadajici na fotodiodu klesat s kvadratem vzdalenosti. Tomu v urcitych mezich odpovida napeti na vystupu rssi. Pokud si prepocitam vzdalenost na vykon (potrebne hodnoty pro to mam) a vynesu do grafu tak uvidim ze se to skutecne lin. prubehu blizi. Znehodnocuji to v podstate dve wjeci - "optika" diod a nelinearita diod ve zdvojovaci. Pro napeti rssi nad 3V se navic uplatnuji jevy v diferenciatory a omezeni na mosfetu a tam uz jsou to opravdu hausnumera. > > > Navic pokud takovej malinkatej hajzlik pavouk udela svoji pavucinu co vypada > > jako hedvabny kapesnik a ta se orosi tak se 80procent vykonu hrave ztrati. Ta > > pavucina mozna funguje jako goretexova membrana a muze zvysovat koncentraci > > vodnich par v prostru mezi pavucinou a cockou oproti okoli az dojde ke > > kondenzaci na cocke v rozsahu vyssim nez bez pavuciny. > > Nicmene ani z tohohle jeste nejak neplyne proc by to melo bejt zrovna 80%. > Nebudu ti verit dokud nedodas nemarenene hodnoty RSSI z kterych jsi to pocital. > Pavucinu ktera by pohlcovala na pruchod 80% svetla jsem teda rozhodne jeste > nevidel. Ty nejhustsi (i orosene) co jsem videl mohly pohlcovat odhadem tak > mozna 5% (bohuzel si to nepamatuju nijak presne). > > Cl< Jak rikam treba rozhodujici utlum je zpusoben mikroklimatem mezi pavucinou a cockou. From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 26 23:47:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Oct 26 23:47:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <001301c4bb99$3e72ae30$07086b0a@atintel> References: <001301c4bb96$665d8530$0103450a@thechosen> <001301c4bb99$3e72ae30$07086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20041026224721.GB12226@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:20:30PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Tak me napada v cem bude Nebulus lepsi nez Ronja s infra LED v RYSove > provedeni? Normalni TX se na buzeni infra LEDky nehodi, nebot je infra LED prilis pomala. Nasledkem pomalosti se signal mrsi. Nebulus budi LED specialni technikou, ktera zpusobi, ze se to nemrsi. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 26 23:47:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Oct 26 23:47:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <417ED203.9211.12896F6@localhost> References: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <417ED203.9211.12896F6@localhost> Message-ID: <20041026224749.GC12226@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > Jeste se chci zeptat, jakym zpusobem ten graf byl zhotoven. > Micro$oft Excel. To je v cem byl zhotoven. Me by zajimalo jak byl zhotoven. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 26 23:48:42 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Oct 26 23:48:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Komplet zoznam suciastok na moduly In-Reply-To: <417EB88B.2070507@host.sk> References: <417CFF0D.6000409@host.sk> <006c01c4babe$23628bf0$fd02a8c0@diablo> <417EB88B.2070507@host.sk> Message-ID: <20041026224842.GD12226@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:50:19PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Mne prislo celkom trapne ked som vytiahol v GME zoznam RX a TX a > opakovali sa tam hodnoty ako v jednom tak aj v druhom zozname pricom som Opakovaly se v 1 seznamu a nebo v RX a TX byla stejna soucastka? Cl< > si musel pocitat kolo ma to vyjde na 2+2 moduly. Takto som dal zoznam > predavacovi a odfrknul som prec. Prisiel som si pre komplet. A tych par > odporov ktore tam mam navyse ma nezabije financne :) > > To bola odpoved aj na Clockovu otazku. From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 26 23:54:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Oct 26 23:54:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <417ED882.15090.141F795@localhost> References: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <417ED882.15090.141F795@localhost> Message-ID: <20041026225453.GA12313@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:06:42PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:28:27PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > No asi celkem snadno. Na prilozenem grafu je patrne, ze po zlogaritmovani namerenych > > > hodnot napeti na vystupu detektoru rssi se dvema diodama v zavislosti na vzdalenosti > > > dostaneme prijatelne linearni prubeh zavislosti na dopadajicim optickem vykonu pro napeti rssi > > > absolutne mensi nez 3V. Z toho se uz neco vyvodit necha. > > > > Me podle toho tvaru grafu a tvyho vykladu prijde, ze to rozhodne linearni > > nebude. Muzes vysvetlit, proc by to podle tebe tak melo bejt? > > Prijatelne linearni to bude. Idea: Led bez optiky sviti pod urcitym vyzarovacim > uhlem. Pokud se budeme od ni vzdalovat, bude vykon dopadajici na fotodiodu > klesat s kvadratem vzdalenosti. Tomu v urcitych mezich odpovida napeti na > vystupu rssi. Pokud si prepocitam vzdalenost na vykon (potrebne hodnoty pro Co znamena "tomu v urcitych mezich odpovida RSSI"? Ze v urcitych mezich bude RSSI klesat taky s kvadratem vzdalenosti? Nebo ze RSSI v urcitych mezich bude proste nejak klesat? > to mam) a vynesu do grafu tak uvidim ze se to skutecne lin. prubehu blizi. No to bude - to uz z principu. To RSSI vlastne meri spicka-spicka signalu kdyz je signal dost silny. A napetova vychylka signalu je primo umerna vychylce optickeho toku. Jenze to plati az kdyz je signal dost silny. Kdyz neni, tak je to krive jak kdyz pejsek cura. > Znehodnocuji to v podstate dve wjeci - "optika" diod a nelinearita diod ve > zdvojovaci. Pro napeti rssi nad 3V se navic uplatnuji jevy v diferenciatory a Chces rict, ze opticke vlastnosti prijimaci diody maji vliv na linearitu RSSI? > omezeni na mosfetu a tam uz jsou to opravdu hausnumera. > > > > > > Navic pokud takovej malinkatej hajzlik pavouk udela svoji pavucinu co vypada > > > jako hedvabny kapesnik a ta se orosi tak se 80procent vykonu hrave ztrati. Ta > > > pavucina mozna funguje jako goretexova membrana a muze zvysovat koncentraci > > > vodnich par v prostru mezi pavucinou a cockou oproti okoli az dojde ke > > > kondenzaci na cocke v rozsahu vyssim nez bez pavuciny. > > > > Nicmene ani z tohohle jeste nejak neplyne proc by to melo bejt zrovna 80%. > > Nebudu ti verit dokud nedodas nemarenene hodnoty RSSI z kterych jsi to pocital. > > Pavucinu ktera by pohlcovala na pruchod 80% svetla jsem teda rozhodne jeste > > nevidel. Ty nejhustsi (i orosene) co jsem videl mohly pohlcovat odhadem tak > > mozna 5% (bohuzel si to nepamatuju nijak presne). > > > > Cl< > Jak rikam treba rozhodujici utlum je zpusoben mikroklimatem mezi pavucinou > a cockou. Ze existuje pavucina co zpusobuje 80% utlum jsem presvedcen nebyl, proto toto hlaseni nebudu zpracovavat jako bugreport. Cl< From khumsat at gawab.com Wed Oct 27 07:03:30 2004 From: khumsat at gawab.com (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Wed Oct 27 07:03:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 1MHz asynchronous signal Message-ID: <20041027060330.28579.qmail@gawab.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041027/3b422aad/attachment.htm From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Oct 27 08:35:55 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Oct 27 08:36:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <001301c4bb96$665d8530$0103450a@thechosen><001301c4bb99$3e72ae30$07086b0a@atintel> <20041026224721.GB12226@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003701c4bbf7$98836280$0103450a@thechosen> o te specialni technice nic nenapises? :) nebude to neco jako lehke predpeti jako pro laser led cimz se zvysi koncentrace nosicu naboje v prechodu polovodice + buzeni vetsim proudem? Glo -------- > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:20:30PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > Tak me napada v cem bude Nebulus lepsi nez Ronja s infra LED v RYSove > > provedeni? > > Normalni TX se na buzeni infra LEDky nehodi, nebot je infra LED prilis pomala. > Nasledkem pomalosti se signal mrsi. Nebulus budi LED specialni technikou, ktera > zpusobi, ze se to nemrsi. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 27 08:53:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 27 08:53:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Komplet zoznam suciastok na moduly In-Reply-To: <20041026223427.7D90A4221@borik.banet.sk> References: <20041026224842.GD12226@beton.cybernet.src> <20041026223427.7D90A4221@borik.banet.sk> Message-ID: <20041027075309.GB254@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 01:04:03AM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Prepac, mozno je to zle napisane. > > Opakovali sa v 1 zozname. Teda ak sa spravi zoznam suciastok pre RX aj TX > DOKOPY tak niektore suciastky sa opakuju. > > Uprimne povedane, ten zoznam suciastok by sa podla mna mal prerpbit lebo > nikto nikdy nekupuje suciastky len na jeden TX alebo jeden RX. Vzdy sa to > kupuje spolu a tak ako je to na stranach to je sialene neprehladne potom. Hm jenze tam nemuzou bejt vsechny kombinace co koho napadne - rekneme ze nekdo pujde kupovat 10 RX, 12 TX a 8 twisteru? Napsal jsem si uz vcera do todo listu ze tam mam dat seznam na (1,2,4)x(RX+TX). Jak bys to udelal s tema ekvivalentama? Do seznamu se mi to nechce davat protoze pak rekneme clovek da seznam v GM, bude tam TX ledka, 10 typu HPWT mit nebudou, tak cloveku daj automaticky slabou TLWR7600 a podobne. Cl< > Aspon pre mna urcite. A taktiz alternativy k jednotlivym suciastkam - ked > davam do GME zoznam tak im treba dlho vysvetlovat ze kde su alternativy atd > atd atd...odla mna (moj osobny sukromny nazor) by sa mali koli kupe tie > zoznamy prerobit. > > Keep up a good work! :) > > Cau cau > > Marcel Hecko > Aka maco > > -----P?vodn? spr?va----- > Od: Karel Kulhavy [mailto:clock@twibright.com] > Odoslan?: 27. okt?bra 2004 0:49 > Komu: maco@maco.sk; Twibright Ronja > Predmet: Re: [Ronja] Komplet zoznam suciastok na moduly > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:50:19PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > Mne prislo celkom trapne ked som vytiahol v GME zoznam RX a TX a > > opakovali sa tam hodnoty ako v jednom tak aj v druhom zozname pricom som > > Opakovaly se v 1 seznamu a nebo v RX a TX byla stejna soucastka? > > Cl< > > si musel pocitat kolo ma to vyjde na 2+2 moduly. Takto som dal zoznam > > predavacovi a odfrknul som prec. Prisiel som si pre komplet. A tych par > > odporov ktore tam mam navyse ma nezabije financne :) > > > > To bola odpoved aj na Clockovu otazku. > > __________ NOD32 1.906 (20041025) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Oct 27 10:44:10 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Oct 27 10:43:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <20041026225453.GA12313@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417ED882.15090.141F795@localhost> Message-ID: <417F8A0A.31660.21CBF5@localhost> On 26 Oct 2004 at 22:54, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:06:42PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:28:27PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > > No asi celkem snadno. Na prilozenem grafu je patrne, ze po zlogaritmovani namerenych > > > > hodnot napeti na vystupu detektoru rssi se dvema diodama v zavislosti na vzdalenosti > > > > dostaneme prijatelne linearni prubeh zavislosti na dopadajicim optickem vykonu pro napeti rssi > > > > absolutne mensi nez 3V. Z toho se uz neco vyvodit necha. > > > > > > Me podle toho tvaru grafu a tvyho vykladu prijde, ze to rozhodne linearni > > > nebude. Muzes vysvetlit, proc by to podle tebe tak melo bejt? > > > > Prijatelne linearni to bude. Idea: Led bez optiky sviti pod urcitym vyzarovacim > > uhlem. Pokud se budeme od ni vzdalovat, bude vykon dopadajici na fotodiodu > > klesat s kvadratem vzdalenosti. Tomu v urcitych mezich odpovida napeti na > > vystupu rssi. Pokud si prepocitam vzdalenost na vykon (potrebne hodnoty pro > > Co znamena "tomu v urcitych mezich odpovida RSSI"? Ze v urcitych mezich > bude RSSI klesat taky s kvadratem vzdalenosti? Nebo ze RSSI v urcitych mezich > bude proste nejak klesat? Klesat umerne s detekovanym vykonem, ktery klesa priblizne s kvadratem vzdalenosti. > > > to mam) a vynesu do grafu tak uvidim ze se to skutecne lin. prubehu blizi. > > No to bude - to uz z principu. To RSSI vlastne meri spicka-spicka signalu > kdyz je signal dost silny. A napetova vychylka signalu je primo umerna > vychylce optickeho toku. Jenze to plati az kdyz je signal dost silny. > Kdyz neni, tak je to krive jak kdyz pejsek cura. Prave naopak - pokud je signal dostatecne "slaby". Kdyby sme merili opravdu napeti spicka- spicka na vystupu NE592 tak dostaneme neco trochu jineho. Bis mel vedet jako konstrukter co se ti v tom primaci deje. Nebo jsi ho oprasknul (a zjednodusil) podle jednoho z prvnich komercnich optickych AUI transceivru od firmy AT&T, coz by te omlouvalo. > > > Znehodnocuji to v podstate dve wjeci - "optika" diod a nelinearita diod ve > > zdvojovaci. Pro napeti rssi nad 3V se navic uplatnuji jevy v diferenciatory a > > Chces rict, ze opticke vlastnosti prijimaci diody maji vliv na linearitu > RSSI? Ano, vrchlik diody ma docela slusnou optickou mohutnost a uplatnuje se. Takze vznika jista disproporce mezi detekovanym a dopadajicm vykonem. > > omezeni na mosfetu a tam uz jsou to opravdu hausnumera. > > > > > > > > > Navic pokud takovej malinkatej hajzlik pavouk udela svoji pavucinu co vypada > > > > jako hedvabny kapesnik a ta se orosi tak se 80procent vykonu hrave ztrati. Ta > > > > pavucina mozna funguje jako goretexova membrana a muze zvysovat koncentraci > > > > vodnich par v prostru mezi pavucinou a cockou oproti okoli az dojde ke > > > > kondenzaci na cocke v rozsahu vyssim nez bez pavuciny. > > > > > > Nicmene ani z tohohle jeste nejak neplyne proc by to melo bejt zrovna 80%. > > > Nebudu ti verit dokud nedodas nemarenene hodnoty RSSI z kterych jsi to pocital. > > > Pavucinu ktera by pohlcovala na pruchod 80% svetla jsem teda rozhodne jeste > > > nevidel. Ty nejhustsi (i orosene) co jsem videl mohly pohlcovat odhadem tak > > > mozna 5% (bohuzel si to nepamatuju nijak presne). > > > > > > Cl< > > Jak rikam treba rozhodujici utlum je zpusoben mikroklimatem mezi pavucinou > > a cockou. > > Ze existuje pavucina co zpusobuje 80% utlum jsem presvedcen nebyl, proto toto > hlaseni nebudu zpracovavat jako bugreport. > > Cl< Sakra uz je na case tehle zabo-mysi valky nechat. Jsem to placnul vicemene jako ftip, ale zalozeny na realite. Je stejne zajimave ze cim vetsi hovadina je nadhozena tim vetsi pozornost vzdudi. Zatimco podstatne veci projdou uplne bez povsimnuti. From kubajz at kbx.cz Wed Oct 27 10:58:44 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_S=FDkora?=) Date: Wed Oct 27 10:59:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <417F8A0A.31660.21CBF5@localhost> References: <417ED882.15090.141F795@localhost> <417F8A0A.31660.21CBF5@localhost> Message-ID: <417F7154.5050306@kbx.cz> Ja bych si dovolil celou debatu uzavrit tim, ze kdo ma pavouka kamarada a funguje mu to OK, tak je to OK. Pokud ma nekdo prilis aktivniho pavouka (pohaneneho svetlem), pak si ho musi uklidit ze strisky ev. nacakat strisku biolitem. Jinak je to docela OT, protoze venku za chvili bude takova zima, ze ani vyhrata cocka nezajisti pavoukovi dostatek potravy, a tak se uhnizdi nekam jinam, kde prespi. Treba do krabicky s twisterem :) K Petr Seliger wrote: > On 26 Oct 2004 at 22:54, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >>On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:06:42PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: >> >>>>On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:28:27PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: >>>> >>>>>No asi celkem snadno. Na prilozenem grafu je patrne, ze po zlogaritmovani namerenych >>>>>hodnot napeti na vystupu detektoru rssi se dvema diodama v zavislosti na vzdalenosti >>>>>dostaneme prijatelne linearni prubeh zavislosti na dopadajicim optickem vykonu pro napeti rssi >>>>>absolutne mensi nez 3V. Z toho se uz neco vyvodit necha. >>>> >>>>Me podle toho tvaru grafu a tvyho vykladu prijde, ze to rozhodne linearni >>>>nebude. Muzes vysvetlit, proc by to podle tebe tak melo bejt? >>> >>>Prijatelne linearni to bude. Idea: Led bez optiky sviti pod urcitym vyzarovacim >>>uhlem. Pokud se budeme od ni vzdalovat, bude vykon dopadajici na fotodiodu >>>klesat s kvadratem vzdalenosti. Tomu v urcitych mezich odpovida napeti na >>>vystupu rssi. Pokud si prepocitam vzdalenost na vykon (potrebne hodnoty pro >> >>Co znamena "tomu v urcitych mezich odpovida RSSI"? Ze v urcitych mezich >>bude RSSI klesat taky s kvadratem vzdalenosti? Nebo ze RSSI v urcitych mezich >>bude proste nejak klesat? > > > Klesat umerne s detekovanym vykonem, ktery klesa priblizne s kvadratem vzdalenosti. > >>>to mam) a vynesu do grafu tak uvidim ze se to skutecne lin. prubehu blizi. >> >>No to bude - to uz z principu. To RSSI vlastne meri spicka-spicka signalu >>kdyz je signal dost silny. A napetova vychylka signalu je primo umerna >>vychylce optickeho toku. Jenze to plati az kdyz je signal dost silny. >>Kdyz neni, tak je to krive jak kdyz pejsek cura. > > > Prave naopak - pokud je signal dostatecne "slaby". Kdyby sme merili opravdu napeti spicka- > spicka na vystupu NE592 tak dostaneme neco trochu jineho. > Bis mel vedet jako konstrukter co se ti v tom primaci deje. Nebo jsi ho oprasknul (a > zjednodusil) podle jednoho z prvnich komercnich optickych AUI transceivru od firmy AT&T, coz > by te omlouvalo. > >>>Znehodnocuji to v podstate dve wjeci - "optika" diod a nelinearita diod ve >>>zdvojovaci. Pro napeti rssi nad 3V se navic uplatnuji jevy v diferenciatory a >> >>Chces rict, ze opticke vlastnosti prijimaci diody maji vliv na linearitu >>RSSI? > > > Ano, vrchlik diody ma docela slusnou optickou mohutnost a uplatnuje se. Takze vznika jista > disproporce mezi detekovanym a dopadajicm vykonem. > >>>omezeni na mosfetu a tam uz jsou to opravdu hausnumera. >>> >>> >>>>>Navic pokud takovej malinkatej hajzlik pavouk udela svoji pavucinu co vypada >>>>>jako hedvabny kapesnik a ta se orosi tak se 80procent vykonu hrave ztrati. Ta >>>>>pavucina mozna funguje jako goretexova membrana a muze zvysovat koncentraci >>>>>vodnich par v prostru mezi pavucinou a cockou oproti okoli az dojde ke >>>>>kondenzaci na cocke v rozsahu vyssim nez bez pavuciny. >>>> >>>>Nicmene ani z tohohle jeste nejak neplyne proc by to melo bejt zrovna 80%. >>>>Nebudu ti verit dokud nedodas nemarenene hodnoty RSSI z kterych jsi to pocital. >>>>Pavucinu ktera by pohlcovala na pruchod 80% svetla jsem teda rozhodne jeste >>>>nevidel. Ty nejhustsi (i orosene) co jsem videl mohly pohlcovat odhadem tak >>>>mozna 5% (bohuzel si to nepamatuju nijak presne). >>>> >>>>Cl< >>> >>>Jak rikam treba rozhodujici utlum je zpusoben mikroklimatem mezi pavucinou >>>a cockou. >> >>Ze existuje pavucina co zpusobuje 80% utlum jsem presvedcen nebyl, proto toto >>hlaseni nebudu zpracovavat jako bugreport. >> >>Cl< > > Sakra uz je na case tehle zabo-mysi valky nechat. Jsem to placnul vicemene jako ftip, ale > zalozeny na realite. Je stejne zajimave ze cim vetsi hovadina je nadhozena tim vetsi pozornost > vzdudi. Zatimco podstatne veci projdou uplne bez povsimnuti. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Oct 27 13:05:36 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Oct 27 13:06:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] az vas prestane bavit pajet ronju co si trosku zadovadet? :) Message-ID: <000701c4bc1d$45005660$0103450a@thechosen> no co lidi nevymyslej ... prisaham bohu ze ja v tom prsty nemam :)) http://w1.706.comhem.se/~u70624934/ Glo From simandl at mujmail.cz Wed Oct 27 13:14:31 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Wed Oct 27 13:11:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sestava na 1.4km Message-ID: <417F9127.70105@mujmail.cz> Ahoj lidi, prisel mi nasledujici dotaz " Please vazne sorry ze takto otravujem ale potrebujem sa ta spitat jednu uplne banalnu vec ohladom ronji (viem ze by som mal pisat do konference ale je to tak jednoduche ze mi to je az blbe) avsak potrebujem to zistit Ide o to ze chcem stavat ronju a potrebujem dosah 1,4km. Na ronja.twibright.com som nasiel prilozene grafy pre dosah ronji a je tam napisane 2x130mm lupa neviem co to znamena ze mam jednu TX ruru kde su 2 lupy (130mm) za sebou (seriovo) alebo ze mam 2 TX rury a v kazdej 1 lupu (130mm) Fakt sorry ze ta otravujem s takou blbostou ale nejde mi to do hlavy a potrebujem vodiet kolko tych TX rur je treba lebo ak by to bolo 2 TX rury (kazda s 1 lupou130mm) tak by som potreboval objednat aj 2 TX plosaky(SMD), viac odporov, condikov atd. please porad A este pre istotu Teda ak sa nemilim a je to jak hovorim tak pri dosahu 1,4km s ronjou by som mal 3 tubice (1xRX, 2xTX) - inac na fotkach som vzdy videl len 2 trubice 1RX 1TX tak preto neviem jak to s tymi lupami je. diki " a ja ted nemam bohuzel cas vsechno kontrolovat a odpovedet jak to je v tom navodu. Ujmete se toho prosim nekdo dik Sima From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Wed Oct 27 13:41:25 2004 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (phanumas khumsat) Date: Wed Oct 27 13:34:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 1MHz asynchronous signal Message-ID: <017701c4bc22$48a48cf0$4a101fac@ton> Hello, What is the purpose of the 1MHz asynchronous square-wave signal that has been sent between data packets? Is this to comply with IEEE 802.3 standard or is just to keep Tx LED glowing for easy alignment? Big apology if you receive this message twice. Notty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041027/20057b99/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 27 13:36:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 27 13:36:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sestava na 1.4km In-Reply-To: <417F9127.70105@mujmail.cz> References: <417F9127.70105@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <20041027123629.GA2499@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 02:14:31PM +0200, Petr Simandl wrote: > Ahoj lidi, prisel mi nasledujici dotaz > " > Please vazne sorry ze takto otravujem ale potrebujem sa ta spitat jednu > uplne banalnu vec ohladom ronji (viem ze by som mal pisat do konference ale > je to tak jednoduche ze mi to je az blbe) avsak potrebujem to zistit > Ide o to ze chcem stavat ronju a potrebujem dosah 1,4km. Na > ronja.twibright.com som nasiel prilozene grafy pre dosah ronji a je tam > napisane 2x130mm lupa neviem co to znamena ze mam jednu TX ruru kde su 2 > lupy (130mm) za sebou (seriovo) alebo ze mam 2 TX rury a v kazdej 1 lupu > (130mm) > Fakt sorry ze ta otravujem s takou blbostou ale nejde mi to do hlavy a > potrebujem vodiet kolko tych TX rur je treba lebo ak by to bolo 2 TX rury > (kazda s 1 lupou130mm) tak by som potreboval objednat aj 2 TX plosaky(SMD), > viac odporov, condikov atd. > please porad > > A este pre istotu Teda ak sa nemilim a je to jak hovorim tak pri dosahu > 1,4km s ronjou by som mal 3 tubice (1xRX, 2xTX) - inac na fotkach som vzdy > videl len 2 trubice 1RX 1TX tak preto neviem jak to s tymi lupami je. > diki > " > > a ja ted nemam bohuzel cas vsechno kontrolovat a odpovedet jak to > je v tom navodu. Ujmete se toho prosim nekdo Mas mail na toho cloveka? "2x130mm means 130mm dualhead" http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php dualhead jsou 2 TX hlavice vedle sebe. Jestli to neni jasne, napisu tam, co to je dualhead. Cl< > > dik > Sima > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 27 13:37:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 27 13:37:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 1MHz asynchronous signal In-Reply-To: <017701c4bc22$48a48cf0$4a101fac@ton> References: <017701c4bc22$48a48cf0$4a101fac@ton> Message-ID: <20041027123739.GB2499@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:41:25PM +0700, phanumas khumsat wrote: > Hello, > > What is the purpose of the 1MHz asynchronous > square-wave signal that has been sent between data packets? Is > this to comply with IEEE 802.3 standard or is just to keep Tx LED glowing for easy alignment? The data path wouldn't work correctly if a silence were between packets. The purpose of 1MHz in IEEE 802.3 is the same. Cl< > > Big apology if you receive this message twice. > > Notty > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From simandl at mujmail.cz Wed Oct 27 13:43:39 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Wed Oct 27 13:41:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sestava na 1.4km In-Reply-To: <20041027123629.GA2499@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417F9127.70105@mujmail.cz> <20041027123629.GA2499@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <417F97FB.8020102@mujmail.cz> Mail jsem sem schvalne nedal kdyz mel takove obavy z "triviality" sveho dotazu :) ale fakt je ze neexistuje hloupa otazka ale jen hloupa odpoved. Takze mu to preposilam na mail pasan@stonline.sk diky Sima Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >>A este pre istotu Teda ak sa nemilim a je to jak hovorim tak pri dosahu >>1,4km s ronjou by som mal 3 tubice (1xRX, 2xTX) - inac na fotkach som vzdy >>videl len 2 trubice 1RX 1TX tak preto neviem jak to s tymi lupami je. >>diki >>" >> >>a ja ted nemam bohuzel cas vsechno kontrolovat a odpovedet jak to >>je v tom navodu. Ujmete se toho prosim nekdo > > > Mas mail na toho cloveka? > > "2x130mm means 130mm dualhead" > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php > dualhead jsou 2 TX hlavice vedle sebe. Jestli to neni jasne, napisu tam, > co to je dualhead. > > Cl< > >>dik >>Sima From maco at host.sk Wed Oct 27 13:45:34 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Oct 27 13:45:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sestava na 1.4km In-Reply-To: <417F97FB.8020102@mujmail.cz> References: <417F9127.70105@mujmail.cz> <20041027123629.GA2499@beton.cybernet.src> <417F97FB.8020102@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <417F986E.9000503@host.sk> Simandle, ked uz si tu tak skus odpovedat aj na moje otazky ohladne TX a RX ak mas naladu :) Celkom by ma to zaujimalo este pred tym ako tie RX a TX dostavam - kukaj topic "SImandl...." m. Petr Simandl wrote: > Mail jsem sem schvalne nedal kdyz mel takove obavy z > "triviality" sveho dotazu :) ale fakt je ze neexistuje hloupa otazka > ale jen hloupa odpoved. Takze mu to preposilam na mail pasan@stonline.sk > diky > Sima > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > >>> A este pre istotu Teda ak sa nemilim a je to jak hovorim tak pri dosahu >>> 1,4km s ronjou by som mal 3 tubice (1xRX, 2xTX) - inac na fotkach >>> som vzdy >>> videl len 2 trubice 1RX 1TX tak preto neviem jak to s tymi lupami je. >>> diki " >>> >>> a ja ted nemam bohuzel cas vsechno kontrolovat a odpovedet jak to >>> je v tom navodu. Ujmete se toho prosim nekdo >> >> >> >> Mas mail na toho cloveka? >> >> "2x130mm means 130mm dualhead" >> http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php >> dualhead jsou 2 TX hlavice vedle sebe. Jestli to neni jasne, napisu tam, >> co to je dualhead. >> >> Cl< >> >>> dik >>> Sima >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ NOD32 1.907 (20041027) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 27 14:24:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 27 14:24:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Pouzite opto doucastky do RX a TX ? In-Reply-To: <001801c4bc25$35175570$9664000a@maximumspeed> References: <20041026210046Z279493-13640+18668@mail.centrum.cz> <001801c4bc25$35175570$9664000a@maximumspeed> Message-ID: <20041027132450.GB2738@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:02:25PM +0200, Maximumspeed wrote: > 1: v GME jsem na E katalogu nenasel BPW43 z RX maji jen ekvivalent SFH2030 > a mate psano 203 v equiv. ktera je ale na 850 nm ! > a jeste nemaji ten fet BF908 ale BF988 "Ekvivalenty (preferoven? jsou prvn?) BPW43 SFH203, SFH2030 (typy SFH203 and 2030 bez P a F p??pony!),[...]" "BF908 KF907, BF988,[...]" http://ronja.twibright.com/receiver/material_cz.php > 2: TX L-HPWT-DL00 596nm coz je trochu jine svetlo nez 850 ne ? Ano, 596nm svetlo je jine nez 850nm svetlo. > > 3: oscilator do TW maji jen 1 typ QO 16MHZ krystal.oscil. CMOS/TTL 100ppm > DIL14 79.83 ks > > > > je to pouzitelny oscilator ?? jestli taky sedi patice atd. a pak ty TX a RX Ano. Cl< > led a fotodioda, jsou tyhle typy vhodne, potrebuju slusny dosah bude to > kolem 1km (130mm cocky) + jeste nejaka orientacni vzdalenost diod od cocek > (klasika vietnam 130mm) abych vedel jak dlouhe mam delat roury. > > pokud tyhle led nejsou to prave orechove napis me prosimte typy co by se > tam daly sehnat ktere doporucujes a ten oscilator? > Diky za HELP > From simandl at mujmail.cz Wed Oct 27 14:34:34 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Wed Oct 27 14:32:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz Message-ID: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> Ahoj Marcel, schemata http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 Soucasna schemata jsou jiz pozmenena o vylepseni a opravy a tedy jsou jina. Je to tak dobre. Proc se ty soucastky menily a jak to vylepsi parametry najdes zde v konferenci. Az budu osazovat RX a TX na plosnacich od Pepi tak pouziju aktualni schemata http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png Doporucuji ti to same. hezky den Sima Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > Mam niekolk otazok na Simandla priamo alebo na niekoho kto rozumie tycm > jeho RX a TX > > Niektore suciastky su v obvodoch na RX zmenene, alebo chybaju. > > Chyba napriklad z original obvodu pre RX podla Clocka kondenzator C154 > (1n) ktory je tam asi na stabilizaciu obvody, teda ten tam pridam aj ked > ni je na plosaku dierka :) > > Dalej chyba z originalu C177, co je kondenzator ktory sa priamo > priletuva ku RX koaxu na strednu zilu a prepaja sa so zemou. Jeho > hodnota by mala byt 220n - chyba, mam ho tam prirobit? Neviem to preto, > lebo v tej casti obvodu su pomenene hodnoty suciastok C172 a R122 > (namiesto original 100n je 3n3 a namiesto 100k je 2M2). Mam to robit > podla originalu alebo Simandla? Upozornujem, ze jeden prepoj na > SImandlovi mi uz bezi s jeho parametrami. > > Este dvez meny som zbadal a to je C175 (alebo 176) ktory ma namiesto > hodnoty 2.2n hodnotu 100n a namiesto originalu ktore sa napajaju na > NE592 (C161 - 270p) ma Simandl 82n a 100Ohm seriovo. > > Kazda rada dobra. > > > Dakujem > > Marcel Hecko > aka maco > www.blava.net > From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 27 15:01:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 27 15:01:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <20041027140154.GB2929@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:34:34PM +0200, Petr Simandl wrote: > Ahoj Marcel, > schemata > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png > jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 Jaky program vypousti takoveto PNG soubory? Ze ty pismenka jsou mnohde tezko citelna a leckde i spatne - napr. misto BF908 je tam BF903, misto 6k8 5k8,... Cl< From simandl at mujmail.cz Wed Oct 27 15:24:33 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Wed Oct 27 15:22:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <20041027140154.GB2929@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <20041027140154.GB2929@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <417FAFA1.6010200@mujmail.cz> Je to z Eaglu a souhlasim ze ty popisky jsou dost drsny. Asi to bude lepsi pokud se da export vetsiho obrazku nez 150dpi co nabizi defaultne Dal jsem tam ted "200dpi export" obrazky a je to trochu lepsi. dik Sima Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:34:34PM +0200, Petr Simandl wrote: >>Ahoj Marcel, >> schemata >>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png >>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png >>jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 > > Jaky program vypousti takoveto PNG soubory? Ze ty pismenka jsou mnohde tezko > citelna a leckde i spatne - napr. misto BF908 je tam BF903, misto 6k8 5k8,... > Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 27 17:21:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 27 17:21:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: RX a TX ? In-Reply-To: <000201c4bc3f$dda2ebe0$9664000a@maximumspeed> References: <20041026210046Z279493-13640+18668@mail.centrum.cz> <001801c4bc25$35175570$9664000a@maximumspeed> <20041027132450.GB2738@beton.cybernet.src> <000201c4bc3f$dda2ebe0$9664000a@maximumspeed> Message-ID: <20041027162133.GB3566@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 06:13:15PM +0200, Maximumspeed wrote: > Takze pri pouziti 850nm vysilaci LED musi byt i prijimaci 850 ci ne ? Ano. Cl< From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Wed Oct 27 19:34:50 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Wed Oct 27 19:35:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] icq number In-Reply-To: <727326929.20041019195637@volny.cz> References: <001e01c4b5df$93973030$32e06d0a@pilsfree.czf> <727326929.20041019195637@volny.cz> Message-ID: Ahoj. Mohl bys mi pls dat svoje cislo na ICQ. BTW jak to vypada s tim prototypem Tx? ROOTen From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 27 20:08:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 27 20:08:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] icq number In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c4b5df$93973030$32e06d0a@pilsfree.czf> <727326929.20041019195637@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041027190852.GA5504@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:34:50PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > Ahoj. > > Mohl bys mi pls dat svoje cislo na ICQ. BTW jak to vypada s tim > prototypem Tx? 176293338 Cl< > > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Wed Oct 27 20:20:51 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Oct 27 20:20:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <417FF513.9040906@host.sk> Dakujem, mam ste jeden dotaz ale na aktualnu schemu RXka. Na ktore hradla NE592 sa pripaja C161? V starsej scheme to tusim bolo medzi 3 a 13. V novej scheme je to mezi 4 a 12? Nviem to poriadne zo schemy vycitat resp chcem si byt co najviac isty :). Simandlovi sa este navyse hradla 2, 5, 6 , 9, 13 pripajaju na zem. V novej scheme je to len hradlo 5. Mozem nechat tieto hradla pipojene k zemi pokial robim podla novej schemy, kde bude C161 pripojene na hradlo 4 a 12 a nie na povodne 3 a 13? Vdaka. Marcel Petr Simandl wrote: > Ahoj Marcel, schemata > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png > jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 > > Soucasna schemata jsou jiz pozmenena o vylepseni a opravy a tedy jsou > jina. > Je to tak dobre. > > Proc se ty soucastky menily a jak to vylepsi parametry najdes zde v > konferenci. > > Az budu osazovat RX a TX na plosnacich od Pepi tak pouziju aktualni > schemata > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > Doporucuji ti to same. > > hezky den > Sima > > > Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > >> Mam niekolk otazok na Simandla priamo alebo na niekoho kto rozumie >> tycm jeho RX a TX >> >> Niektore suciastky su v obvodoch na RX zmenene, alebo chybaju. >> >> Chyba napriklad z original obvodu pre RX podla Clocka kondenzator >> C154 (1n) ktory je tam asi na stabilizaciu obvody, teda ten tam >> pridam aj ked ni je na plosaku dierka :) >> >> Dalej chyba z originalu C177, co je kondenzator ktory sa priamo >> priletuva ku RX koaxu na strednu zilu a prepaja sa so zemou. Jeho >> hodnota by mala byt 220n - chyba, mam ho tam prirobit? Neviem to >> preto, lebo v tej casti obvodu su pomenene hodnoty suciastok C172 a >> R122 (namiesto original 100n je 3n3 a namiesto 100k je 2M2). Mam to >> robit podla originalu alebo Simandla? Upozornujem, ze jeden prepoj na >> SImandlovi mi uz bezi s jeho parametrami. >> >> Este dvez meny som zbadal a to je C175 (alebo 176) ktory ma namiesto >> hodnoty 2.2n hodnotu 100n a namiesto originalu ktore sa napajaju na >> NE592 (C161 - 270p) ma Simandl 82n a 100Ohm seriovo. >> >> Kazda rada dobra. >> >> >> Dakujem >> >> Marcel Hecko >> aka maco >> www.blava.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ NOD32 1.907 (20041027) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Oct 27 20:57:57 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Oct 27 21:03:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 03:18:42PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Jo asi takhle to nejak bude. > > Jinak mereni jsem provadel na jinem prijmaci : > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/Ronjader.jpg > > A jak jsou z hlediska Ronji a propustnosti pavucin relevantni nejaky hausnumera > ktery padaj z nejakyho komercniho prijimace optiky kterej s Ronjou nema > spolecny ani ?? Integrace Maxim a Philips koupis normalne v krame, stejne jako fotodiodu SFH2030. Schema je volne k dispozici..... by Woptic. Nic komercniho! > > Jinak k tomu obrazku, Ronja infra TX se jmenuje Nebulus a to co je na obrazku > rozhodne Nebulus neni. Jeho elektronika vypada jinak. Ja jsem si to pred rokem tak pojmenoval a basta. Mels to vymyslet driv :) Kazdopadne tohle reseni bezi na 2 spojich uz delsi dobu a zadny problem. Cos sis vymyslel ty je tva vec. Lidi se me tu ptali na infra, tak jsem jim poradil svou verzi, ktera je odzkousena. Az budes mit nekdy uvolneneho Nebulusa, tak at si to prestavej pak na system Nebulus. Ale kdyz lidi trapi problem s cervenym svetlem proti duchodcum, tak co jsem mel asi delat? .... mlcet? Ne, jen jsem jim rekl dalsi moznou vetev reseni Ronja - infra. Sam rikas, ze projekt Ronja je otevreny a ze kazdej napad se hodi. Copak nutne musi byt Ronja to, co ty vymyslis/schvalis?....to jako, ze ty jsi ten jedninej vyvolenej buh, ktery schvaluje jen to jedine spravne reseni? Si snad neomylnej? Safra, at si dela kazdej to co potrebuje a at si to odzkousi. Ja to mam free a basta. -=RYS=- > > Cl< From maco at host.sk Wed Oct 27 21:24:38 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Oct 27 21:24:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? In-Reply-To: <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <41800406.30904@host.sk> Vie mi prosim niekto poradit nejaky dobry source kde sa ucit elektroniku? Konkretne v tomto momente ma zaujima aku funguje rele. :) dakujem Marcel Hecko aka maco at blava.net From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Oct 27 21:03:32 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Oct 27 21:32:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz><417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost><003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz><20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <001301c4bb96$665d8530$0103450a@thechosen> <001301c4bb99$3e72ae30$07086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <007001c4bc60$08edc8e0$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milan Korda" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > Tak me napada v cem bude Nebulus lepsi nez Ronja s infra LED v RYSove > provedeni? No ja nevim, ale nejvetsi vzdalenost pri tomto zapojeni je trasa dlouha 1560m. 130mm sklenene cocky by Dioptra. Vrabcak na RX strane, DPS TX a ma verze TP (te volne na webu). -=RYS=- From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Oct 27 21:01:11 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Oct 27 21:33:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz><417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost><003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <001301c4bb96$665d8530$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <006701c4bc5f$b51e66c0$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Mal??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 03:18:42PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Jo asi takhle to nejak bude. > > > Jinak mereni jsem provadel na jinem prijmaci : > > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/Ronjader.jpg > > > > A jak jsou z hlediska Ronji a propustnosti pavucin relevantni nejaky > hausnumera > > ktery padaj z nejakyho komercniho prijimace optiky kterej s Ronjou nema > > spolecny ani ?? > > > > Jinak k tomu obrazku, Ronja infra TX se jmenuje Nebulus a to co je na > obrazku > > rozhodne Nebulus neni. Jeho elektronika vypada jinak. > > ja tda nevim ale co tam mel napsat kdyz do normalniho tx dali infra led? :) > ten obrazek je myslim starsi Obrazky jsem delal 17.9.2003 v 11:29AM u me v praci na stole. -=RYS=- nez si zacal nebulus vyvijet. nsad nemyslis ze > kvuli tomu nekdo bude prepisovat texty v obrazcich > > Glo > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Oct 27 21:07:39 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Oct 27 21:33:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <417ED882.15090.141F795@localhost> Message-ID: <007b01c4bc60$9c163580$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:28:27PM +0200, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > No asi celkem snadno. Na prilozenem grafu je patrne, ze po zlogaritmovani namerenych > > > hodnot napeti na vystupu detektoru rssi se dvema diodama v zavislosti na vzdalenosti > > > dostaneme prijatelne linearni prubeh zavislosti na dopadajicim optickem vykonu pro napeti rssi > > > absolutne mensi nez 3V. Z toho se uz neco vyvodit necha. > > > > Me podle toho tvaru grafu a tvyho vykladu prijde, ze to rozhodne linearni > > nebude. Muzes vysvetlit, proc by to podle tebe tak melo bejt? > > Prijatelne linearni to bude. Idea: Led bez optiky sviti pod urcitym vyzarovacim > uhlem. Pokud se budeme od ni vzdalovat, bude vykon dopadajici na fotodiodu > klesat s kvadratem vzdalenosti. Tomu v urcitych mezich odpovida napeti na > vystupu rssi. Pokud si prepocitam vzdalenost na vykon (potrebne hodnoty pro > to mam) a vynesu do grafu tak uvidim ze se to skutecne lin. prubehu blizi. > Znehodnocuji to v podstate dve wjeci - "optika" diod a nelinearita diod ve > zdvojovaci. Pro napeti rssi nad 3V se navic uplatnuji jevy v diferenciatory a > omezeni na mosfetu a tam uz jsou to opravdu hausnumera. Souhlas, z NE592 bude pokazde jine RSSI (co kus to original), ja jsem pouzil MAXim obvod kde co kus to stejna porovnatelna hodnota. Nic vic , nic min. -=RYS=- PS: a to jsem zjistil, ze u Philipse (Ryston) lze koupit hotovej prijmac za 150,- , ale bez RSSI > > > > > > Navic pokud takovej malinkatej hajzlik pavouk udela svoji pavucinu co vypada > > > jako hedvabny kapesnik a ta se orosi tak se 80procent vykonu hrave ztrati. Ta > > > pavucina mozna funguje jako goretexova membrana a muze zvysovat koncentraci > > > vodnich par v prostru mezi pavucinou a cockou oproti okoli az dojde ke > > > kondenzaci na cocke v rozsahu vyssim nez bez pavuciny. > > > > Nicmene ani z tohohle jeste nejak neplyne proc by to melo bejt zrovna 80%. > > Nebudu ti verit dokud nedodas nemarenene hodnoty RSSI z kterych jsi to pocital. > > Pavucinu ktera by pohlcovala na pruchod 80% svetla jsem teda rozhodne jeste > > nevidel. Ty nejhustsi (i orosene) co jsem videl mohly pohlcovat odhadem tak > > mozna 5% (bohuzel si to nepamatuju nijak presne). > > > > Cl< > Jak rikam treba rozhodujici utlum je zpusoben mikroklimatem mezi pavucinou > a cockou. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Oct 27 21:34:34 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Oct 27 21:34:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? In-Reply-To: <41800406.30904@host.sk> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <41800406.30904@host.sk> Message-ID: <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > Vie mi prosim niekto poradit nejaky dobry source kde sa ucit elektroniku? > > Konkretne v tomto momente ma zaujima aku funguje rele. :) > > dakujem > Rele neni nic jineho, nez civka s jadrem, ktere se pri pruchodu civkou vychyluje, diky elmag toku. Tim oddelene spina kontakty ;-). > Marcel Hecko > aka maco at blava.net > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From maco at host.sk Wed Oct 27 21:44:42 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Oct 27 21:44:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? In-Reply-To: <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <41800406.30904@host.sk> <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <418008BA.3000802@host.sk> Ah, toz celkom primitivny princip ;) Teda po dosiahnuti urciteho prudu sa mi prepne rele kedze sa indukuje vacsie el-mag pole? Som product designer teda ospravedlnte moje primitivne otazky co sa tyka elektroniky. Co je potom miera, resp. jednotka podla ktorych sa "kupuje" rele? m. David Sedl??ek wrote: > > > Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > >> Vie mi prosim niekto poradit nejaky dobry source kde sa ucit >> elektroniku? >> >> Konkretne v tomto momente ma zaujima aku funguje rele. :) >> >> dakujem >> > Rele neni nic jineho, nez civka s jadrem, ktere se pri pruchodu civkou > vychyluje, diky elmag toku. Tim oddelene spina kontakty ;-). > >> Marcel Hecko >> aka maco at blava.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 27 21:52:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 27 21:52:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041027205237.GA6220@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:57:57PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 03:18:42PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Jo asi takhle to nejak bude. > > > Jinak mereni jsem provadel na jinem prijmaci : > > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/Ronjader.jpg > > > > A jak jsou z hlediska Ronji a propustnosti pavucin relevantni nejaky > hausnumera > > ktery padaj z nejakyho komercniho prijimace optiky kterej s Ronjou nema > > spolecny ani ?? > > Integrace Maxim a Philips koupis normalne v krame, stejne jako fotodiodu > SFH2030. > Schema je volne k dispozici..... by Woptic. > Nic komercniho! Na obrazku bylo napsano crusader - tak je to crusader a nebo woptic? A nebo crusader == woptic? Kde je to schema toho wopticu? > > > > Jinak k tomu obrazku, Ronja infra TX se jmenuje Nebulus a to co je na > obrazku > > rozhodne Nebulus neni. Jeho elektronika vypada jinak. > > Ja jsem si to pred rokem tak pojmenoval a basta. Mels to vymyslet driv :) Pomenovat si to samozrejme muzes jak chces, ale kdyz budes nazyvat neco Ronja co Ronja neni, ale tvoje uprava, aniz by to z toho bylo patrne, pak prijde nejaky nic netusici user, postavi to, ono mu to nepojede, napise sem na mailing list a dozvi se, ze to nepodporuju. Aspon ve svete svobodneho software jsem takoveto praktiky nepozoroval a ten je podstatne rozsahlejsi co se tyce poctu projektu nez svet svobodneho hardwaru. Kdyz nam treba nekdo ohackoval links tak to nazval elinks nebo links-hacked, aby nedochazelo k zamene. > Kazdopadne tohle reseni bezi na 2 spojich uz delsi dobu a zadny problem. > Cos sis vymyslel ty je tva vec. > Lidi se me tu ptali na infra, tak jsem jim poradil svou verzi, ktera je > odzkousena. > Az budes mit nekdy uvolneneho Nebulusa, tak at si to prestavej pak na system > Nebulus. > Ale kdyz lidi trapi problem s cervenym svetlem proti duchodcum, tak co jsem > mel asi delat? .... mlcet? Udelat si fork > Ne, jen jsem jim rekl dalsi moznou vetev reseni Ronja - infra. Ronja zadne vetve nema. Je jen jedna. http://ronja.twibright.com . Stejne tak elinks ani links-hacked nejsou vetve linksu. Jsou to jine projekty. Pouzivaj velkou cast jeho kodu, ale to je ve svete svobodne technologie bezne. Kdyz se nam z nich neco bude libit, namergujeme si to zpetne do Linkse. > Sam rikas, ze projekt Ronja je otevreny a ze kazdej napad se hodi. > Copak nutne musi byt Ronja to, co ty vymyslis/schvalis?....to jako, ze ty Ronja nemusi byt to co vymyslim, ale musi byt to, co schvalim. Aby to byl jednoznacne ohraniceny projekt z hlediska uzivatele. Kdyz v tom bude bordel, uzivatel splace nad vydelkem. Lepe receno, blby uzivatel splace nad vydelkem. Ten chytrejsi si napred pomoci vyhledavace zjisti, kde je domaci stranka Ronji, a podiva se tam. Nicmene to neznamena ze neni otevreny. Spousta lidi uz nejak prispivala, viz Credits na domaci strance. Tusim Seliger napriklad predelal RSSI a ja proti tomu nic nemam. Stejnym zpusobem se mi stalo, ze jsem nainstaloval program podle LFS a kdyz jsem hlasil bugu autorovi, byl jsem (opravnene) vyfuckovan s tim, ze nad tim byly nejake pochybne patche, ktere on nepodporuje. Z toho duvodu nejradsi instaluju vsechno ze zdrojaku, protoze vim, ze aspon dostanu podporu, az to klekne, a muj bugreport jeste prispeje k vyvoji, misto toho aby byl zahozen do kose. > jsi ten jedninej vyvolenej buh, ktery schvaluje jen to jedine > spravne reseni? Si snad neomylnej? Safra, at si dela kazdej to co potrebuje Ano, na projektu Ronja jsem jediny vyvoleny buh. Kazdy jedinec ma pravo si vytvorit svuj vlastni projekt, nebo kolik jich bude chtit, a urcovat si, kdo bude na nich vyvolenym bohem. Nici prava tim neomezuje. Je to jen obycejne tvoreni. Dokazes si predstavit, ze by nekdo vzal Monu Lisu, dokreslil ji cigaro do huby, a vydaval ji stale za Monu Lisu? A pak by si nekdo myslel 5 let v kuse, ze Mona Lisa ma v hube cigo, protoze by nahodou videl prvni tu s tim cigem, a nemel naladu delat historickou resersi, jake vetve Mony Lisy existovaly a kdo byl vlastne puvodni autor a jak puvodni dilo vypadalo. Z pravniho hlediska samozrejme svoje vytvory Ronja muzes nazyvat, ale je to vuci uzivatelum dost spatna praktika. Uzivatel musi mit k tomu aby mohl efektivne pracovat svet rozdeleny na projekty. Zadne 2 projekty se nesmeji prekryvat. Kazdy projekt musi mit nejakeho autora, kteremu se daji posilat bugreporty nebo dalsi kusy kodu ci navrhu. Pak musi mit specifikaci. Musi se dat jednoznacne urcit co je soucasti specifikace a co neni. Ze specifikace musi byt jednoznacne jasne, za jakych podminek a co ten projekt ma delat (napr. zehlicka ma zehlit zarucenou teplotou 230 degC +/- 10degC kdyz se kolecko nastavi na cislo 5 a v zasuvce je 45-55Hz a 210-250V). Pak se musi nechat presne zjistit kde projekt konci a co do projektu jeste patri a co uz ne. Muzes to udelat jeste jako s programama na gentoo - kdyz ma gentoo na programu rekneme getfacl patche, a getfacl mi spadne na segfault (jako se mi skutecne stalo ;-) ), tak napisu gentooakum, oni to skouknou, a pripadne napisou "Bug filed upstream" - buga byla poslana vyse. Ale hlasi se to jim, protoze getfacl s gentooackejma patchema oni spravne prohlasuji za svuj projekt, aby v tom nebyl bordel. Ale jednak se tim proces opravy zpomaluje, a jednak gentooaci riskujou, ze jejich opatchovana verze bude rejectnuta a budou si muset chybu najit, vystopovat a odladit sami. Cl< > a at si to odzkousi. Ja to mam free a basta. > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From chevees at seznam.cz Wed Oct 27 21:55:18 2004 From: chevees at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pavel_Ve=E8e=F8a?=) Date: Wed Oct 27 21:55:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? In-Reply-To: <418008BA.3000802@host.sk> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <41800406.30904@host.sk> <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> <418008BA.3000802@host.sk> Message-ID: <41800B36.40604@seznam.cz> > > Co je potom miera, resp. jednotka podla ktorych sa "kupuje" rele? Kupuje se podle velikosti nap?t?, kter? je zapot?eb? k sepnut? kontakt?, jestli m? b?t na stejnosm?rn? nebo st??dav? nap?t? a jakou z?t?? maj? sn?st kontakty... From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Oct 27 21:55:47 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Oct 27 21:56:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? In-Reply-To: <418008BA.3000802@host.sk> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <41800406.30904@host.sk> <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> <418008BA.3000802@host.sk> Message-ID: <41800B53.7000600@sattnet.cz> Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > Ah, toz celkom primitivny princip ;) Teda po dosiahnuti urciteho prudu > sa mi prepne rele kedze sa indukuje vacsie el-mag pole? Som product > designer teda ospravedlnte moje primitivne otazky co sa tyka elektroniky. > > Co je potom miera, resp. jednotka podla ktorych sa "kupuje" rele? > napeti, na kterem pracuji :-) 5,12V. A proud, ktery jsou schopne prepinat. > m. > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From chevees at seznam.cz Wed Oct 27 21:59:12 2004 From: chevees at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pavel_Ve=E8e=F8a?=) Date: Wed Oct 27 21:59:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? In-Reply-To: <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <41800406.30904@host.sk> <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <41800C20.3060801@seznam.cz> >> > Rele neni nic jineho, nez civka s jadrem, ktere se pri pruchodu civkou > vychyluje, diky elmag toku. Tim oddelene spina kontakty ;-). > Existuje v?c druh? rel? jako nap?. jaz??kov? a optoelektronick? rel? SSR kter? fungujou na jin?m principu ne? jsi popsal, ale dalo by se ??st, ?e to rel? jak? jsi popsal ty je nejpou??van?j??... From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Oct 27 22:16:24 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Oct 27 22:16:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? In-Reply-To: <41800C20.3060801@seznam.cz> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <41800406.30904@host.sk> <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> <41800C20.3060801@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <41801028.1060801@sattnet.cz> Pavel Ve?e?a napsal(a): > >>> >> Rele neni nic jineho, nez civka s jadrem, ktere se pri pruchodu >> civkou vychyluje, diky elmag toku. Tim oddelene spina kontakty ;-). >> > Existuje v?c druh? rel? jako nap?. jaz??kov? a optoelektronick? rel? > SSR kter? fungujou na jin?m principu ne? jsi popsal, ale dalo by se > ??st, ?e to rel? jak? jsi popsal ty je nejpou??van?j??... > Mam takovy tuseni, ze autor mel na mysli prave toto. > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From maco at host.sk Thu Oct 28 00:43:02 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Oct 28 00:43:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? In-Reply-To: <41800B53.7000600@sattnet.cz> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <41800406.30904@host.sk> <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> <418008BA.3000802@host.sk> <41800B53.7000600@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <41803286.6040403@host.sk> Moze byt rele prepinatelne do viacerych poloh? Napr napatie pri ktorom sa zopne prvy spinac, potom napatie pri ktorom sa rele prepne na druhy spinac atd? Ked teda budem kupovat rele dvojpolohove tak si mam pytat napriklat rele na 5V (pri ktorom sa zopne a pod tymto napatim sa "rozopne") ktore vydrzi zataz napr 250mA ? Znie to clkom jednoducho. Je to v podstate obycajny prepinac ktory reaguje na napatie. Mile. V tom pripade by nemal byt problem navrhnut obvod na backup linku (wifi) pri vypadkoch ronje vzhladom na RSSI, ktore by bolo nastavovatelne obycajnym potencionetrom. To je teoreticky otazka dvoch, resp troch suciastok. Rele, nejaky ten odpor a potenciometer. Mozno na stabilizaciu jeden kondenzator aby sa pri kritickej hodnote RSSI stale neprepinalo rele. Idem na to dobre? m. David Sedl??ek wrote: > > > Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > >> Ah, toz celkom primitivny princip ;) Teda po dosiahnuti urciteho >> prudu sa mi prepne rele kedze sa indukuje vacsie el-mag pole? Som >> product designer teda ospravedlnte moje primitivne otazky co sa tyka >> elektroniky. >> >> Co je potom miera, resp. jednotka podla ktorych sa "kupuje" rele? >> > napeti, na kterem pracuji :-) 5,12V. A proud, ktery jsou schopne > prepinat. > >> m. >> >> > From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Oct 28 03:13:51 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Oct 28 03:19:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <41800406.30904@host.sk> <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> <418008BA.3000802@host.sk> <41800B53.7000600@sattnet.cz> <41803286.6040403@host.sk> Message-ID: <005f01c4bc93$c4e25c40$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? > Moze byt rele prepinatelne do viacerych poloh? Napr napatie pri ktorom > sa zopne prvy spinac, potom napatie pri ktorom sa rele prepne na druhy > spinac atd? Ano, tyhle rele se pouzivaj v letadlech...treba.Videl jsem 3 polohove. > > Ked teda budem kupovat rele dvojpolohove tak si mam pytat napriklat rele > na 5V (pri ktorom sa zopne a pod tymto napatim sa "rozopne") ktore > vydrzi zataz napr 250mA ? ano > > Znie to clkom jednoducho. Je to v podstate obycajny prepinac ktory > reaguje na napatie. Mile. V tom pripade by nemal byt problem navrhnut > obvod na backup linku (wifi) pri vypadkoch ronje vzhladom na RSSI, > ktore by bolo nastavovatelne obycajnym potencionetrom. To je teoreticky > otazka dvoch, resp troch suciastok. Rele, nejaky ten odpor a > potenciometer. Mozno na stabilizaciu jeden kondenzator aby sa pri > kritickej hodnote RSSI stale neprepinalo rele. Idem na to dobre? Je treba nastavit hysterzi, ale myslenka vcelku spravna. Jen moc dobre nefacha (z praxe odzkouseno pred rokem). Totiz, kdyz prijde takove uroven mlhy, ze je to tesne na hranici sily off-signalu, tak rele cvaka jak svina a data nejdou. Ale i kdyz nastavis operakama hodnotu odpadu a hodnotu prpojeni (odpad = mensi napeti, pripojeni = vetsi napeti), tak stejne se to muze dostat do situace, kdyz je rele sepnuto, ze jako signal je dobre, ale data moc nejdou. Atmosfera je svine. Proto nejlepsi je asi neco jako OSPF s pravidelnym pingem a kdyz se treba 10 pingu nevrati sup a prepne se to na wifinu. -=RYS=- > > m. > > David Sedl??ek wrote: > > > > > > > Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > > > >> Ah, toz celkom primitivny princip ;) Teda po dosiahnuti urciteho > >> prudu sa mi prepne rele kedze sa indukuje vacsie el-mag pole? Som > >> product designer teda ospravedlnte moje primitivne otazky co sa tyka > >> elektroniky. > >> > >> Co je potom miera, resp. jednotka podla ktorych sa "kupuje" rele? > >> > > napeti, na kterem pracuji :-) 5,12V. A proud, ktery jsou schopne > > prepinat. > > > >> m. > >> > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Oct 28 03:38:28 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Oct 28 03:43:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <20041027205237.GA6220@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <006401c4bc97$34eac060$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:57:57PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 03:18:42PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > Jo asi takhle to nejak bude. > > > > Jinak mereni jsem provadel na jinem prijmaci : > > > > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/Ronjader.jpg > > > > > > A jak jsou z hlediska Ronji a propustnosti pavucin relevantni nejaky > > hausnumera > > > ktery padaj z nejakyho komercniho prijimace optiky kterej s Ronjou nema > > > spolecny ani ?? > > > > Integrace Maxim a Philips koupis normalne v krame, stejne jako fotodiodu > > SFH2030. > > Schema je volne k dispozici..... by Woptic. > > Nic komercniho! > > Na obrazku bylo napsano crusader - tak je to crusader a nebo woptic? > A nebo crusader == woptic? Kde je to schema toho wopticu? RX cast o ktere se bavime.... woptic = Crusader = Agregator = Dessto http://woptic.czfree.net jako uz celej rok....jen cist konferu > > > > > > > > Jinak k tomu obrazku, Ronja infra TX se jmenuje Nebulus a to co je na > > obrazku > > > rozhodne Nebulus neni. Jeho elektronika vypada jinak. > > > > Ja jsem si to pred rokem tak pojmenoval a basta. Mels to vymyslet driv :) > > Pomenovat si to samozrejme muzes jak chces, ale kdyz budes nazyvat neco > Ronja co Ronja neni, ale tvoje uprava, aniz by to z toho bylo patrne, > pak prijde nejaky nic netusici user, postavi to, ono mu to nepojede, napise > sem na mailing list a dozvi se, ze to nepodporuju. > > Aspon ve svete svobodneho software jsem takoveto praktiky nepozoroval a ten je > podstatne rozsahlejsi co se tyce poctu projektu nez svet svobodneho hardwaru. > > Kdyz nam treba nekdo ohackoval links tak to nazval elinks nebo links-hacked, > aby nedochazelo k zamene. > > > Kazdopadne tohle reseni bezi na 2 spojich uz delsi dobu a zadny problem. > > Cos sis vymyslel ty je tva vec. > > Lidi se me tu ptali na infra, tak jsem jim poradil svou verzi, ktera je > > odzkousena. > > Az budes mit nekdy uvolneneho Nebulusa, tak at si to prestavej pak na system > > Nebulus. > > Ale kdyz lidi trapi problem s cervenym svetlem proti duchodcum, tak co jsem > > mel asi delat? .... mlcet? > > Udelat si fork > > > Ne, jen jsem jim rekl dalsi moznou vetev reseni Ronja - infra. > > Ronja zadne vetve nema. Je jen jedna. http://ronja.twibright.com . Stejne tak > elinks ani links-hacked nejsou vetve linksu. Jsou to jine projekty. Pouzivaj > velkou cast jeho kodu, ale to je ve svete svobodne technologie bezne. Kdyz se > nam z nich neco bude libit, namergujeme si to zpetne do Linkse. > > > Sam rikas, ze projekt Ronja je otevreny a ze kazdej napad se hodi. > > Copak nutne musi byt Ronja to, co ty vymyslis/schvalis?....to jako, ze ty > > Ronja nemusi byt to co vymyslim, ale musi byt to, co schvalim. Aby to byl > jednoznacne ohraniceny projekt z hlediska uzivatele. Kdyz v tom bude bordel, > uzivatel splace nad vydelkem. Lepe receno, blby uzivatel splace nad vydelkem. > Ten chytrejsi si napred pomoci vyhledavace zjisti, kde je domaci stranka Ronji, > a podiva se tam. > > Nicmene to neznamena ze neni otevreny. Spousta lidi uz nejak prispivala, > viz Credits na domaci strance. Tusim Seliger napriklad predelal RSSI a ja > proti tomu nic nemam. > > Stejnym zpusobem se mi stalo, ze jsem nainstaloval program podle LFS a kdyz > jsem hlasil bugu autorovi, byl jsem (opravnene) vyfuckovan s tim, ze nad tim > byly nejake pochybne patche, ktere on nepodporuje. Z toho duvodu nejradsi > instaluju vsechno ze zdrojaku, protoze vim, ze aspon dostanu podporu, az to > klekne, a muj bugreport jeste prispeje k vyvoji, misto toho aby byl zahozen do > kose. > > > jsi ten jedninej vyvolenej buh, ktery schvaluje jen to jedine > > spravne reseni? Si snad neomylnej? Safra, at si dela kazdej to co potrebuje > > Ano, na projektu Ronja jsem jediny vyvoleny buh. Oooooo, omlouvam se ooooo nejvyssi ja nize az nejnize polozeny. Ja ktery lejno prehazuje, jenz ani za pohled oka spravedliveho nestoji, jenz pohledem by onemel nad nikym kterym jest ja . Tak rekl nejnizsi jenz sam sebe nespravedlivym nazyva se. A pohled nejnizsiho spocinul na lejno co duverne zna, byt myslenky silnejsi nezli nejvyssi ma. A tak hnan predstavou mylnou , zacal z lejna vezdejsiho, Ronju neviditelnou tvoriti. A hle, ta zprava do kraje sireho rozsirila se jak blesk A s duverou ti ohebni prisly za nejnizsim, aby zitra rekli ooooo boze jak to mozne je, ze nejnizsi z lejn stvoril skvost o rok tvuj predem. A zvolal buh .... ty nic lejno prehazujici jenz Ronju neviditelnou stvorils, jak opovazujes se urazet boha sveho? A nic reklo.... o pane nejvyssi, to nic, to jen ohebni neslyseli, ze Rysidlo pomatene se to lejno nazyva. A zcela vim oooooo nejvysi, ze ty bechybny jsi a tve dite pekelne, jenz nazyva se Nebulus, bytostem nejnizsim co lejna prehazuji, jiste slouzit lepe budou. Tak boze nejvysi odpust prostoduchemu jenz osvicen na zlomek chvile byl... oooooo nejvysi, ja vratim se ke svym lejnum a widlim jimz nerozumim , vsak pres utrpeni mi slast nevedomosti prinasi..... > Kazdy jedinec ma pravo si > vytvorit svuj vlastni projekt, nebo kolik jich bude chtit, a urcovat si, kdo > bude na nich vyvolenym bohem. Nici prava tim neomezuje. Je to jen obycejne > tvoreni. Dokazes si predstavit, ze by nekdo vzal Monu Lisu, dokreslil ji cigaro > do huby, a vydaval ji stale za Monu Lisu? A pak by si nekdo myslel 5 let v > kuse, ze Mona Lisa ma v hube cigo, protoze by nahodou videl prvni tu s tim > cigem, a nemel naladu delat historickou resersi, jake vetve Mony Lisy > existovaly a kdo byl vlastne puvodni autor a jak puvodni dilo vypadalo. > > Z pravniho hlediska samozrejme svoje vytvory Ronja muzes nazyvat, ale je to > vuci uzivatelum dost spatna praktika. > > Uzivatel musi mit k tomu aby mohl efektivne pracovat svet rozdeleny na > projekty. Zadne 2 projekty se nesmeji prekryvat. Kazdy projekt musi mit > nejakeho autora, kteremu se daji posilat bugreporty nebo dalsi kusy kodu ci > navrhu. Pak musi mit specifikaci. Musi se dat jednoznacne urcit co je soucasti > specifikace a co neni. Ze specifikace musi byt jednoznacne jasne, za jakych > podminek a co ten projekt ma delat (napr. zehlicka ma zehlit zarucenou teplotou > 230 degC +/- 10degC kdyz se kolecko nastavi na cislo 5 a v zasuvce je 45-55Hz a > 210-250V). Pak se musi nechat presne zjistit kde projekt konci a co do > projektu jeste patri a co uz ne. > > Muzes to udelat jeste jako s programama na gentoo - kdyz ma gentoo na programu > rekneme getfacl patche, a getfacl mi spadne na segfault (jako se mi skutecne > stalo ;-) ), tak napisu gentooakum, oni to skouknou, a pripadne napisou "Bug > filed upstream" - buga byla poslana vyse. Ale hlasi se to jim, protoze getfacl > s gentooackejma patchema oni spravne prohlasuji za svuj projekt, aby v tom > nebyl bordel. Ale jednak se tim proces opravy zpomaluje, a jednak gentooaci > riskujou, ze jejich opatchovana verze bude rejectnuta a budou si muset chybu > najit, vystopovat a odladit sami. > > Cl< > > a at si to odzkousi. Ja to mam free a basta. > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 28 14:39:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 28 14:39:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <417FF513.9040906@host.sk> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <417FF513.9040906@host.sk> Message-ID: <20041028133950.GA30421@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:20:51PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Dakujem, > mam ste jeden dotaz ale na aktualnu schemu RXka. Na ktore hradla NE592 > sa pripaja C161? V starsej scheme to tusim bolo medzi 3 a 13. V novej > scheme je to mezi 4 a 12? Nviem to poriadne zo schemy vycitat resp chcem > si byt co najviac isty :). Simandlovi sa este navyse hradla 2, 5, 6 , 9, > 13 pripajaju na zem. V novej scheme je to len hradlo 5. Mozem nechat > tieto hradla pipojene k zemi pokial robim podla novej schemy, kde bude > C161 pripojene na hradlo 4 a 12 a nie na povodne 3 a 13? > Vdaka. To je dotaz na Simandluv fork a nebo na Ronju? Cl< > > Marcel > > Petr Simandl wrote: > > >Ahoj Marcel, schemata > >http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png > >http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png > >jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 > > > >Soucasna schemata jsou jiz pozmenena o vylepseni a opravy a tedy jsou > >jina. > >Je to tak dobre. > > > >Proc se ty soucastky menily a jak to vylepsi parametry najdes zde v > >konferenci. > > > >Az budu osazovat RX a TX na plosnacich od Pepi tak pouziju aktualni > >schemata > >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > > >Doporucuji ti to same. > > > >hezky den > >Sima > > > > > >Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > > > >>Mam niekolk otazok na Simandla priamo alebo na niekoho kto rozumie > >>tycm jeho RX a TX > >> > >>Niektore suciastky su v obvodoch na RX zmenene, alebo chybaju. > >> > >>Chyba napriklad z original obvodu pre RX podla Clocka kondenzator > >>C154 (1n) ktory je tam asi na stabilizaciu obvody, teda ten tam > >>pridam aj ked ni je na plosaku dierka :) > >> > >>Dalej chyba z originalu C177, co je kondenzator ktory sa priamo > >>priletuva ku RX koaxu na strednu zilu a prepaja sa so zemou. Jeho > >>hodnota by mala byt 220n - chyba, mam ho tam prirobit? Neviem to > >>preto, lebo v tej casti obvodu su pomenene hodnoty suciastok C172 a > >>R122 (namiesto original 100n je 3n3 a namiesto 100k je 2M2). Mam to > >>robit podla originalu alebo Simandla? Upozornujem, ze jeden prepoj na > >>SImandlovi mi uz bezi s jeho parametrami. > >> > >>Este dvez meny som zbadal a to je C175 (alebo 176) ktory ma namiesto > >>hodnoty 2.2n hodnotu 100n a namiesto originalu ktore sa napajaju na > >>NE592 (C161 - 270p) ma Simandl 82n a 100Ohm seriovo. > >> > >>Kazda rada dobra. > >> > >> > >>Dakujem > >> > >>Marcel Hecko > >>aka maco > >>www.blava.net > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >__________ NOD32 1.907 (20041027) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 28 14:41:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 28 14:41:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <006701c4bc5f$b51e66c0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <001301c4bb96$665d8530$0103450a@thechosen> <006701c4bc5f$b51e66c0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041028134124.GB30421@beton.cybernet.src> > > ja tda nevim ale co tam mel napsat kdyz do normalniho tx dali infra led? > :) treba ronja IR patched > > ten obrazek je myslim starsi > > Obrazky jsem delal 17.9.2003 v 11:29AM u me v praci na stole. > -=RYS=- > > > nez si zacal nebulus vyvijet. nsad nemyslis ze > > kvuli tomu nekdo bude prepisovat texty v obrazcich Ne, myslim si, ze muze ty texty napsat poradne uz od zacatku. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 28 14:43:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 28 14:43:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <007001c4bc60$08edc8e0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <001301c4bb96$665d8530$0103450a@thechosen> <001301c4bb99$3e72ae30$07086b0a@atintel> <007001c4bc60$08edc8e0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041028134339.GC30421@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:03:32PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Milan Korda" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > > > Tak me napada v cem bude Nebulus lepsi nez Ronja s infra LED v RYSove > > provedeni? > > > No ja nevim, ale nejvetsi vzdalenost pri tomto zapojeni je trasa dlouha > 1560m. > 130mm sklenene cocky by Dioptra. Vrabcak na RX strane, DPS TX a ma verze TP Muze nekdo poskytnout vzorek tech cocek od Dioptry, abych je zmeril, jaky budou mit s Nebulusem dosah? Odhaduju, ze to bude vic jak 1250, kterych to ma s lupama z trznice. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 28 14:44:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 28 14:44:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <007b01c4bc60$9c163580$0101a8c0@cz> References: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <417ED882.15090.141F795@localhost> <007b01c4bc60$9c163580$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041028134420.GD30421@beton.cybernet.src> > > to mam) a vynesu do grafu tak uvidim ze se to skutecne lin. prubehu blizi. > > Znehodnocuji to v podstate dve wjeci - "optika" diod a nelinearita diod ve > > zdvojovaci. Pro napeti rssi nad 3V se navic uplatnuji jevy v > diferenciatory a > > omezeni na mosfetu a tam uz jsou to opravdu hausnumera. > > Souhlas, z NE592 bude pokazde jine RSSI (co kus to original), ja jsem pouzil > MAXim obvod kde co kus Jakej MAXIm obvod? > to stejna porovnatelna hodnota. Nic vic , nic min. > -=RYS=- Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 28 14:46:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 28 14:46:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? In-Reply-To: <41800406.30904@host.sk> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <41800406.30904@host.sk> Message-ID: <20041028134627.GE30421@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:24:38PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Vie mi prosim niekto poradit nejaky dobry source kde sa ucit elektroniku? > > Konkretne v tomto momente ma zaujima aku funguje rele. :) Asi NEETS. http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/OffsiteTutorials http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/ Odhaduju ze relatka tam budou detailne rozebrana, ale nejsem si tim 100% jist. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 28 14:47:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 28 14:47:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? In-Reply-To: <418008BA.3000802@host.sk> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <41800406.30904@host.sk> <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> <418008BA.3000802@host.sk> Message-ID: <20041028134749.GF30421@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:44:42PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Ah, toz celkom primitivny princip ;) Teda po dosiahnuti urciteho prudu > sa mi prepne rele kedze sa indukuje vacsie el-mag pole? Som product > designer teda ospravedlnte moje primitivne otazky co sa tyka elektroniky. Jo, a bude to mit asi hysterezi. > > Co je potom miera, resp. jednotka podla ktorych sa "kupuje" rele? Napeti, proud, AC/DC, ruzne pridavne featurky (delay on, delay off, bistable rele). Cl< From maco at host.sk Thu Oct 28 14:52:03 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Oct 28 14:52:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <20041028133950.GA30421@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <417FF513.9040906@host.sk> <20041028133950.GA30421@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4180F983.9050501@host.sk> Toto je dotaz na Ronju. Este raz to prespecifikujem - chcem si by t isty (lebo zo schemy je to trosku blbo vidiet) ci NE592 na RX je zapojene nasledovne: 2,5,6,9,13 ZEM medzi 4 a 11 je 270p kondenzator 1,7,8,10,14 zbytok RX 3,12 nezapojene Lebo podla toho co Simandl hovoril tak by to malo vyzerat tak, ze ezte v zime (vanice :)) bolo zapojenie hlavne co sa tyka 270p ine - teda nebolo zapojene na 4 a 11, ale na 12 a 3 bolo zapojene do serie 82n a 100Ohm. Je to priamo otazka na oficialnu schemu. BOlo to tak? Je nejaky archiv schem? Bolo by fajn ho spravit. Marcel Hecko aka maco Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:20:51PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > >>Dakujem, >>mam ste jeden dotaz ale na aktualnu schemu RXka. Na ktore hradla NE592 >>sa pripaja C161? V starsej scheme to tusim bolo medzi 3 a 13. V novej >>scheme je to mezi 4 a 12? Nviem to poriadne zo schemy vycitat resp chcem >>si byt co najviac isty :). Simandlovi sa este navyse hradla 2, 5, 6 , 9, >>13 pripajaju na zem. V novej scheme je to len hradlo 5. Mozem nechat >>tieto hradla pipojene k zemi pokial robim podla novej schemy, kde bude >>C161 pripojene na hradlo 4 a 12 a nie na povodne 3 a 13? >>Vdaka. >> >> > >To je dotaz na Simandluv fork a nebo na Ronju? > >Cl< > > > >>Marcel >> >>Petr Simandl wrote: >> >> >> >>>Ahoj Marcel, schemata >>>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png >>>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png >>>jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 >>> >>>Soucasna schemata jsou jiz pozmenena o vylepseni a opravy a tedy jsou >>>jina. >>>Je to tak dobre. >>> >>>Proc se ty soucastky menily a jak to vylepsi parametry najdes zde v >>>konferenci. >>> >>>Az budu osazovat RX a TX na plosnacich od Pepi tak pouziju aktualni >>>schemata >>>http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png >>>http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png >>> >>>Doporucuji ti to same. >>> >>>hezky den >>>Sima >>> >>> >>>Marcel Hecko napsal(a): >>> >>> >>> >>>>Mam niekolk otazok na Simandla priamo alebo na niekoho kto rozumie >>>>tycm jeho RX a TX >>>> >>>>Niektore suciastky su v obvodoch na RX zmenene, alebo chybaju. >>>> >>>>Chyba napriklad z original obvodu pre RX podla Clocka kondenzator >>>>C154 (1n) ktory je tam asi na stabilizaciu obvody, teda ten tam >>>>pridam aj ked ni je na plosaku dierka :) >>>> >>>>Dalej chyba z originalu C177, co je kondenzator ktory sa priamo >>>>priletuva ku RX koaxu na strednu zilu a prepaja sa so zemou. Jeho >>>>hodnota by mala byt 220n - chyba, mam ho tam prirobit? Neviem to >>>>preto, lebo v tej casti obvodu su pomenene hodnoty suciastok C172 a >>>>R122 (namiesto original 100n je 3n3 a namiesto 100k je 2M2). Mam to >>>>robit podla originalu alebo Simandla? Upozornujem, ze jeden prepoj na >>>>SImandlovi mi uz bezi s jeho parametrami. >>>> >>>>Este dvez meny som zbadal a to je C175 (alebo 176) ktory ma namiesto >>>>hodnoty 2.2n hodnotu 100n a namiesto originalu ktore sa napajaju na >>>>NE592 (C161 - 270p) ma Simandl 82n a 100Ohm seriovo. >>>> >>>>Kazda rada dobra. >>>> >>>> >>>>Dakujem >>>> >>>>Marcel Hecko >>>>aka maco >>>>www.blava.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>>__________ NOD32 1.907 (20041027) Information __________ >>> >>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>http://www.nod32.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.909 (20041028) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From chevees at seznam.cz Thu Oct 28 15:53:04 2004 From: chevees at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?B?UGF2ZWwgVmXEjWXFmWE=?=) Date: Thu Oct 28 15:53:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ako funguje rele? In-Reply-To: <20041028134749.GF30421@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000f01c4babd$24df0f40$0101a8c0@cz> <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <003301c4bb5e$52eb78a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041026194117.GE10598@beton.cybernet.src> <005e01c4bc5f$41192b20$0101a8c0@cz> <41800406.30904@host.sk> <4180065A.2050900@sattnet.cz> <418008BA.3000802@host.sk> <20041028134749.GF30421@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <418107D0.5000903@seznam.cz> Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:44:42PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > >>Ah, toz celkom primitivny princip ;) Teda po dosiahnuti urciteho prudu >>sa mi prepne rele kedze sa indukuje vacsie el-mag pole? Som product >>designer teda ospravedlnte moje primitivne otazky co sa tyka elektroniky. >> >> > >Jo, a bude to mit asi hysterezi. > > > >>Co je potom miera, resp. jednotka podla ktorych sa "kupuje" rele? >> >> > >Napeti, proud, AC/DC, ruzne pridavne featurky (delay on, delay off, bistable >rele). > >Cl< > > ...a tÅ™eba taky jestli ty kontakty mají být spínací, rozpínací nebo pÅ™epínací a kolik tam tÄ›ch kontaktů má být... >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > ------------- dal¹í èást --------------- HTML p��loha byla odstran�na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041028/7d953990/attachment.htm From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Oct 28 17:15:55 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Oct 28 17:21:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach References: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <417ED882.15090.141F795@localhost> <007b01c4bc60$9c163580$0101a8c0@cz> <20041028134420.GD30421@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001101c4bd09$67337f40$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky a prach > > > to mam) a vynesu do grafu tak uvidim ze se to skutecne lin. prubehu blizi. > > > Znehodnocuji to v podstate dve wjeci - "optika" diod a nelinearita diod ve > > > zdvojovaci. Pro napeti rssi nad 3V se navic uplatnuji jevy v > > diferenciatory a > > > omezeni na mosfetu a tam uz jsou to opravdu hausnumera. > > > > Souhlas, z NE592 bude pokazde jine RSSI (co kus to original), ja jsem pouzil > > MAXim obvod kde co kus > > Jakej MAXIm obvod? opet ... chce to cist http://woptic.czfree.net > > > to stejna porovnatelna hodnota. Nic vic , nic min. > > -=RYS=- > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 28 18:42:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 28 18:42:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 Marcel Hecko Message-ID: <20041028174251.GA18621@beton.cybernet.src> Ahoj Rikal jsi neco o dizajnu - nevim jestli to je to co si to myslim, ze to je, ale muzes pls skouknout tyhle loga? http://ronja.twibright.com vlevo nahore (Ronja) http://ronja.twibright.com vpravo nahore (Twibright Labs) http://hps.twibright.com vlevo nahore (HPS) Rekni nejake pripominky, jak jsou hnusny / stredne hnusny / hezky Diky ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 28 21:36:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 28 21:36:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <4180F983.9050501@host.sk> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <417FF513.9040906@host.sk> <20041028133950.GA30421@beton.cybernet.src> <4180F983.9050501@host.sk> Message-ID: <20041028203626.GC20121@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 03:52:03PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Toto je dotaz na Ronju. > > Este raz to prespecifikujem - chcem si by t isty (lebo zo schemy je to > trosku blbo vidiet) ci NE592 na RX je zapojene nasledovne: Je to napsany ve schematu od RX v takovym ramecku dole ktery nozky se jeste maj zapojit na zem. On ten symbol je totiz nema. Asi udelam jinej, kterej bude mit vsech 14 nozicek a na ten to premaluju. Pisu si to do TODO. > > 2,5,6,9,13 ZEM > medzi 4 a 11 je 270p kondenzator > 1,7,8,10,14 zbytok RX > 3,12 nezapojene > > Lebo podla toho co Simandl hovoril tak by to malo vyzerat tak, ze ezte v > zime (vanice :)) bolo zapojenie hlavne co sa tyka 270p ine - teda nebolo > zapojene na 4 a 11, ale na 12 a 3 bolo zapojene do serie 82n a 100Ohm. > Je to priamo otazka na oficialnu schemu. BOlo to tak? Je nejaky archiv No kdysi to tak bylo. Ale jestli tam bylo 1k odpor to nevim, spis asi ne, rek bych ze mensi. > schem? Bolo by fajn ho spravit. No ted je to na CVS. To bych musel udelat pserver aby si kazdy mohl checkoutovat co tam bylo predtim. Brzo asi predelam Ronju na GNU Arch a pak to normalne vystavim to repository na HTTP. Momentalne Arch zkousim na hps.twibright.com Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 28 21:51:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 28 21:51:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hacker Power Supply announced In-Reply-To: <000b01c4b890$9258efc0$3601a8c0@alpha> References: <000b01c4b890$9258efc0$3601a8c0@alpha> Message-ID: <20041028205144.GA20385@beton.cybernet.src> Hello all, On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 01:40:52AM +0200, k0bra@op.pl wrote: > Could you send me a scheme? I need a good power supply, and i found this > one... but there's no scheme, only photos... And forgive me my english... i'm > learning. Thank you - k0bra I've just summed up all the necessary documentation and issued the project with it: http://hps.twibright.com Cl< From maco at host.sk Thu Oct 28 05:45:26 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Oct 28 23:19:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <20041028203626.GC20121@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <417FF513.9040906@host.sk> <20041028133950.GA30421@beton.cybernet.src> <4180F983.9050501@host.sk> <20041028203626.GC20121@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41807966.40302@host.sk> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 03:52:03PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > >>Toto je dotaz na Ronju. >> >>Este raz to prespecifikujem - chcem si by t isty (lebo zo schemy je to >>trosku blbo vidiet) ci NE592 na RX je zapojene nasledovne: >> >> > >Je to napsany ve schematu od RX v takovym ramecku dole ktery nozky se jeste >maj zapojit na zem. > >On ten symbol je totiz nema. Asi udelam jinej, kterej bude mit vsech 14 >nozicek a na ten to premaluju. Pisu si to do TODO. > > > >>2,5,6,9,13 ZEM >>medzi 4 a 11 je 270p kondenzator >>1,7,8,10,14 zbytok RX >>3,12 nezapojene >> >>Lebo podla toho co Simandl hovoril tak by to malo vyzerat tak, ze ezte v >>zime (vanice :)) bolo zapojenie hlavne co sa tyka 270p ine - teda nebolo >>zapojene na 4 a 11, ale na 12 a 3 bolo zapojene do serie 82n a 100Ohm. >>Je to priamo otazka na oficialnu schemu. BOlo to tak? Je nejaky archiv >> >> > >No kdysi to tak bylo. Ale jestli tam bylo 1k odpor to nevim, spis asi ne, >rek bych ze mensi. > > To nie je 1000 Ohm (1k Ohm) ale 100Ohm - to jedno O ta pomylilo :). Dakujem, rozumieme sa. Toto som potreboval vediet. Pre mna bolo dolezite to, ci to zle citam zo schemy alebo je to tak ako vravim. Teraz viem, ze to mam vsetko dobre. Vdaka este raz. Marcel Hecko aka maco > > >>schem? Bolo by fajn ho spravit. >> >> > >No ted je to na CVS. To bych musel udelat pserver aby si kazdy mohl >checkoutovat co tam bylo predtim. > >Brzo asi predelam Ronju na GNU Arch a pak to normalne vystavim to repository >na HTTP. > >Momentalne Arch zkousim na hps.twibright.com > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.909 (20041028) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From maco at host.sk Thu Oct 28 06:30:50 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Oct 29 00:04:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 Marcel Hecko In-Reply-To: <20041028174251.GA18621@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041028174251.GA18621@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4180840A.4070501@host.sk> Podla mojich najlepsich vedomosti a znalosti: Logo ronja Napad a myslienka loga je vydarena. Prevedenie trosku kolise kedze zaoblene hrany ciar posobia tazkopadne a retro stylom. Rovnake hrubky ciar su taktiez celkom nevyhovujuce. Myslienka je - este raz - velmi dobra ale spracovanie by malo byt lepsie prevedene a s vacsim citom. Pokial berieme do uvahy aj napis "RONJA" do loga tak ten sa typom fontu VOBEC nehodi, kedze ma odlisny styl. Mne osobne sa logo paci, no kedze Ronja ma predstavovat vyspelu komunikaciu mala by mat dynamickejsiu prezentaciu (vid telecom.cz, telecom.sk, http://www.francetelecom.fr/fr/, - Ronja nie je komercna zalezitost, teda sa musi samozrejme ponimat z ineho uhla ako telecom, ale pokial chce akykolvek projekt co sa tyka telekomunikacii prerazit musi ist s dobou napriek tomu, ze to nie je primarny ciel ronje (kuknite celkom vydarene nove logo Spamassasinu http://spamassassin.apache.org/ aj ked je trosku "prefarbickovane" ale dava zmysel - assasin, apache, spam, mail...sip mohol byt trosku viacej extrudovany)) - cela sajta Ronje sa siri v duchu retro a posobi nemoderne a "smutno". Logo je plne vyhovujuce keby sme zili pred 20timi rokmi. Staci ho trosku prepracovat. Napad velmi dobry. Ked to mam hodnotit ako v skole tak napad/prevedenie by som dal 2/4. Logo Twibright Labs je v podstate to iste. Tipol by som si, ze to logo robil ten isty autor ako logo Ronje. Trosku mi to logo pripomina logo CISCO, ktore nemenilo prevedenie uz dvadsat rokov, no menilo farbu a font pisma (vsetko velkymi pismenami, cerveny font, zmena odtiena farby), ktore urobili z pomaly nemoderneho loga opat velmi vydareny remake posobiaci stabilne. Teda rovnaky osud co sa tyka loga ronje mozem pouzit aj na TB labs. Mozno by stacilo zmenit polohu nadpisu, alebo niektoru z ciar ponat ako rusivy moment, ktory by dodal logu dynamiku. Vzdialenosti pismen nie su v poriadku a zarovnanie slov taktiez. Tazko povedat, ako by logo posobilo invertovane na tlacenej prezentacii. Mozno by sa zisiel trosku inovatorskejsi pristup kedze podobnych log je velmi vela a teda charakteristicka crta TBlabs zanika. HPS Uplne nevyhovujuce co sa tyka cohokolvek. Nepochopitelne, nezrozumitelne, gycove, farebne uplne mimo pouzitelnosti na akykolvek prezentacny material (neviem si to logo predstavit v printovej podobe na prezentacnom bielom papiery ani na akejkolvek prezentacii. 5/5 Co sa tyka napadu Ronje mne sa velmi paci a je vhodny. Navrhar evidentne nehladel na pouzitelnost ani jedneho loga. Problem by napr dost bol natlacit akekolvek z tychto log na biely podklad (az na ronju, ktora je predpokladam v nejakom ciernom ramiku). Logo TBL by nebolo mozne natlacit na maly format, kedze je tam prilis vela oscilacnych ciar. Inac dobry zaciatok :) Marcel Hecko aka maco Karel Kulhavy wrote: >Ahoj > >Rikal jsi neco o dizajnu - nevim jestli to je to co si to myslim, ze to je, >ale muzes pls skouknout tyhle loga? >http://ronja.twibright.com vlevo nahore (Ronja) >http://ronja.twibright.com vpravo nahore (Twibright Labs) >http://hps.twibright.com vlevo nahore (HPS) > >Rekni nejake pripominky, jak jsou hnusny / stredne hnusny / hezky > >Diky ;-) > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.909 (20041028) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From clock at twibright.com Fri Oct 29 09:30:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Oct 29 09:30:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 Marcel Hecko In-Reply-To: <4180840A.4070501@host.sk> References: <20041028174251.GA18621@beton.cybernet.src> <4180840A.4070501@host.sk> Message-ID: <20041029083036.GA22725@beton.cybernet.src> > Vzdialenosti pismen nie su v poriadku a zarovnanie slov taktiez. Tazko Heh - to je husty - takovahle analyza :) Jak se pozna jestli jsou vzdalenosti pismen v poradku? To musi mit clovek zadratovany v mozku nejaky cit, a nebo je na to nejaky navod? :) > povedat, ako by logo posobilo invertovane na tlacenej prezentacii. Mozno > by sa zisiel trosku inovatorskejsi pristup kedze podobnych log je velmi > vela a teda charakteristicka crta TBlabs zanika. > > HPS > Uplne nevyhovujuce co sa tyka cohokolvek. Nepochopitelne, > nezrozumitelne, gycove, farebne uplne mimo pouzitelnosti na akykolvek > prezentacny material (neviem si to logo predstavit v printovej podobe na > prezentacnom bielom papiery ani na akejkolvek prezentacii. 5/5 > > > Co sa tyka napadu Ronje mne sa velmi paci a je vhodny. Navrhar evidentne > nehladel na pouzitelnost ani jedneho loga. Problem by napr dost bol > natlacit akekolvek z tychto log na biely podklad (az na ronju, ktora je > predpokladam v nejakom ciernom ramiku). Logo TBL by nebolo mozne > natlacit na maly format, kedze je tam prilis vela oscilacnych ciar. Hm, to co rikas mi dava smysl ;-) Co se s tim da delat - napadaji te nejake zmeny, jak ty nedostaky spravit? A jeste pls jestli te to bavi, tak sjed logo Linkse http://twibright.com vpravo dole tusim http://links.twibright.com Cl< From maco at host.sk Thu Oct 28 18:35:27 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Oct 29 12:09:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 Marcel Hecko In-Reply-To: <20041029083036.GA22725@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041028174251.GA18621@beton.cybernet.src> <4180840A.4070501@host.sk> <20041029083036.GA22725@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41812DDF.1040902@host.sk> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >>Vzdialenosti pismen nie su v poriadku a zarovnanie slov taktiez. Tazko >> >> > >Heh - to je husty - takovahle analyza :) Jak se pozna jestli jsou vzdalenosti >pismen v poradku? To musi mit clovek zadratovany v mozku nejaky cit, a nebo je >na to nejaky navod? :) > > Vseobecny navod na to nie je, ale prave typografia je smer v ktorom sa studuju vztahy medzi pismenami, slovami a podobne. Existuje taky parameter, ktoremu sa hovori "vakat" co je priestor medzi pismenami a neda sa zmerat, ale da sa porovnat kedze kazda dvojica pismen ma charakteristicky priestor medzi sebou. To vytvara niekedy velmi chulostive spojenie pismen ako napriklad "dk" alebo "li", kde je priestor medzi pismenami velmi maly na rozdiel od "Li" alebo "Tj". Treba cele slovo tak navrhnut, aby bol vakat priblizne rovnaky, co ale neznamena, ze vzdialenosti noziciek pismen budu ovnako od seba. Je to aj trosku o cite, ale ked vies ako na to tak nie je dovod sa pomylit. Pocitac taketo nepozna :). Kazde slovo je v tomto smere jedinecne. Bezny uziatel to nevnima, ale vnima celkovy "dizajn" loga a prave toto su drobnosti, ktore definuju profesionalitu dizajnu. Tak ako vo vsetkom. "Tak v tomhle tom to je - v tom kousenku navic" Rimmer - RedDwarf >>povedat, ako by logo posobilo invertovane na tlacenej prezentacii. Mozno >>by sa zisiel trosku inovatorskejsi pristup kedze podobnych log je velmi >>vela a teda charakteristicka crta TBlabs zanika. >> >>HPS >>Uplne nevyhovujuce co sa tyka cohokolvek. Nepochopitelne, >>nezrozumitelne, gycove, farebne uplne mimo pouzitelnosti na akykolvek >>prezentacny material (neviem si to logo predstavit v printovej podobe na >>prezentacnom bielom papiery ani na akejkolvek prezentacii. 5/5 >> >> >>Co sa tyka napadu Ronje mne sa velmi paci a je vhodny. Navrhar evidentne >>nehladel na pouzitelnost ani jedneho loga. Problem by napr dost bol >>natlacit akekolvek z tychto log na biely podklad (az na ronju, ktora je >>predpokladam v nejakom ciernom ramiku). Logo TBL by nebolo mozne >>natlacit na maly format, kedze je tam prilis vela oscilacnych ciar. >> >> > >Hm, to co rikas mi dava smysl ;-) > >Co se s tim da delat - napadaji te nejake zmeny, jak ty nedostaky >spravit? > > Mas z tych log nejaky PS alebo akykolvek vektorovy format? Posli - mozem sa na to pozried ked bude chvilku casu. Davam si to do TODO :). >A jeste pls jestli te to bavi, tak sjed logo Linkse >http://twibright.com vpravo dole tusim >http://links.twibright.com > > O tom by sa dalo tiez rozpravat. Napisem neskor :) ponahlam sa na vlak. Krasny dnik. >Cl< > > > Marcel Hecko aka maco From clock at twibright.com Fri Oct 29 14:26:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Oct 29 14:26:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] GNU FDL EN/CZ slovnik Message-ID: <20041029132640.GA23772@beton.cybernet.src> Dobry den Nemohli byste pls dodelat do http://slovnik.zcu.cz/online/index.php, aby misto "Hledane slovicko" bylo "Hledane slovicko (word to translate)" nebo neco takoveho a podobne pro ostatni popisky? Chci to doporucit anglicky mluvici komunite a bude ji to asi chvilku trvat nez ji dojde, do ktereho chlivecku se ma co napsat. A aby anglicanum taky bylo jasne, ze se to musi s diakritikou, pripadne udelat nejake klikatko na vypinani matchovani s diakritikou. Diky, Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Oct 29 14:39:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Oct 29 14:39:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 Marcel Hecko In-Reply-To: <20041029083036.GA22725@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041028174251.GA18621@beton.cybernet.src> <4180840A.4070501@host.sk> <20041029083036.GA22725@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041029133920.GB23772@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 08:30:36AM +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > Vzdialenosti pismen nie su v poriadku a zarovnanie slov taktiez. Tazko > > Heh - to je husty - takovahle analyza :) Jak se pozna jestli jsou vzdalenosti > pismen v poradku? To musi mit clovek zadratovany v mozku nejaky cit, a nebo je > na to nejaky navod? :) > > > povedat, ako by logo posobilo invertovane na tlacenej prezentacii. Mozno > > by sa zisiel trosku inovatorskejsi pristup kedze podobnych log je velmi > > vela a teda charakteristicka crta TBlabs zanika. Tak jsem nacrt jiny logo co me napadlo - pls skoukni :) http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/twibright_logo2.ps Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Oct 29 14:42:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Oct 29 14:42:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Czech-only posts Message-ID: <20041029134219.GA23871@beton.cybernet.src> Hello If you suspect some czech-only post to contain precious information, you can try to translate various words from it here: http://slovnik.zcu.cz/online/ I've added a link also to http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Oct 29 14:47:32 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Fri Oct 29 14:47:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 Marcel Hecko References: <20041028174251.GA18621@beton.cybernet.src><4180840A.4070501@host.sk><20041029083036.GA22725@beton.cybernet.src> <20041029133920.GB23772@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001101c4bdbd$d75e3300$0103450a@thechosen> ja se nechci moc michat do vasi diskuze :) ale ted ty barvy, teda pokud to nejni nejakej bug mojeho acrobata :) jsou desne :) > On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 08:30:36AM +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > Vzdialenosti pismen nie su v poriadku a zarovnanie slov taktiez. Tazko > > > > Heh - to je husty - takovahle analyza :) Jak se pozna jestli jsou vzdalenosti > > pismen v poradku? To musi mit clovek zadratovany v mozku nejaky cit, a nebo je > > na to nejaky navod? :) > > > > > povedat, ako by logo posobilo invertovane na tlacenej prezentacii. Mozno > > > by sa zisiel trosku inovatorskejsi pristup kedze podobnych log je velmi > > > vela a teda charakteristicka crta TBlabs zanika. > > Tak jsem nacrt jiny logo co me napadlo - pls skoukni :) > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/twibright_logo2.ps > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Fri Oct 29 16:07:29 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Oct 29 16:01:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Osazovak na twistera ala cipis In-Reply-To: <006801c4bab8$08a079e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <417CC11E.20406@katka.biz> <20041025095136.GD556@beton.cybernet.src> <006801c4bab8$08a079e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <41825CB1.4030101@katka.biz> Cipis wrote: >opraveno > >Cipis > >P.S. Jsme bezdr?tem, tak to obcas chc?pne. V pr?ci jaksi nem?m cas dodelat >ronju :-( > > > > > tak proc to nehodis nekam na seznam nebo kamkoliv podobne ? p0l0us From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Oct 29 16:42:01 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Oct 29 16:42:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Osazovak na twistera ala cipis References: <417CC11E.20406@katka.biz> <20041025095136.GD556@beton.cybernet.src><006801c4bab8$08a079e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <41825CB1.4030101@katka.biz> Message-ID: <000b01c4bdcd$d530b160$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> protoze se me nechce :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Osazovak na twistera ala cipis > Cipis wrote: > > >opraveno > > > >Cipis > > > >P.S. Jsme bezdr?tem, tak to obcas chc?pne. V pr?ci jaksi nem?m cas dodelat > >ronju :-( > > > > > > > > > > > tak proc to nehodis nekam na seznam nebo kamkoliv podobne ? > > p0l0us > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Fri Oct 29 23:13:14 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Oct 29 23:06:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <20041027140154.GB2929@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <20041027140154.GB2929@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4182C07A.1040108@katka.biz> jen tak ze zvedavosti .. jak vypada vyvoj Rx, TX ronji na DPS? p0l0us Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:34:34PM +0200, Petr Simandl wrote: > > >>Ahoj Marcel, >> schemata >>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png >>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png >>jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 >> >> > >Jaky program vypousti takoveto PNG soubory? Ze ty pismenka jsou mnohde tezko >citelna a leckde i spatne - napr. misto BF908 je tam BF903, misto 6k8 5k8,... > >Cl > From polous at katka.biz Sat Oct 30 00:31:24 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Oct 30 00:24:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <4182D2CC.40802@katka.biz> Petr Simandl wrote: > Ahoj Marcel, schemata > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png > jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 > > Soucasna schemata jsou jiz pozmenena o vylepseni a opravy a tedy jsou > jina. > Je to tak dobre. > > Proc se ty soucastky menily a jak to vylepsi parametry najdes zde v > konferenci. > > Az budu osazovat RX a TX na plosnacich od Pepi tak pouziju aktualni > schemata > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png > > Doporucuji ti to same. > > hezky den > Sima Popisovane Rx (dps na www.simandl.cz, v0.2, podle aktualniho schema ronji) mi jede na 1.7m a 2.0m s 0%PL, min RSSI cca 300mV u obojiho. BF908, SFH2030, P104=cca 5V. Na Tx se teprv chystam, porad blbne :((. p0l0us From polous at katka.biz Sat Oct 30 00:41:06 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Oct 30 00:34:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <20041028134420.GD30421@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417D6FFB.27568.407C3A@localhost> <417ED882.15090.141F795@localhost> <007b01c4bc60$9c163580$0101a8c0@cz> <20041028134420.GD30421@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4182D512.3000604@katka.biz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >>>to mam) a vynesu do grafu tak uvidim ze se to skutecne lin. prubehu blizi. >>>Znehodnocuji to v podstate dve wjeci - "optika" diod a nelinearita diod ve >>>zdvojovaci. Pro napeti rssi nad 3V se navic uplatnuji jevy v >>> >>> >>diferenciatory a >> >> >>>omezeni na mosfetu a tam uz jsou to opravdu hausnumera. >>> >>> >>Souhlas, z NE592 bude pokazde jine RSSI (co kus to original), ja jsem pouzil >>MAXim obvod kde co kus >> >> > >Jakej MAXIm obvod? > > > kde se da ten obvod v CR koupit v kusovem mnozstvi ? nevis za kolik ? dik p0l0us >>to stejna porovnatelna hodnota. Nic vic , nic min. >>-=RYS=- >> >> > >Cl< > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sat Oct 30 12:46:43 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Sat Oct 30 12:46:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] zamerovani infra spoju Message-ID: Ahoj. Chci se zeptat.. jak se zameruji a budou zamerovat infra spoje? Na trojuhelniky asi tezko.. :) BTW kolik jeste zbyva prachu do releasu Inferna? ROOTen -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 30 12:56:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Oct 30 12:56:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] zamerovani infra spoju In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041030115635.GB23780@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 01:46:43PM +0200, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > Ahoj. > Chci se zeptat.. jak se zameruji a budou zamerovat infra spoje? Na > trojuhelniky asi tezko.. :) BTW kolik jeste zbyva prachu do releasu > Inferna? Pomoci videokamery s nighthost featurou a zoomem a normalne na odrazky. Tzn. prakticky jakoukoliv dnesni videokamerou. Kuzel je taky sirsi. Zbyva asi 5500. Udelal jsem v PHP ze se scitaji neprirazene darecky na http://beton/sponsors_cz.php , tak staci uz jen odecist 2 cisla ke zjisteni :) Cl< From maco at host.sk Sat Oct 30 17:47:36 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sat Oct 30 17:47:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <4182C07A.1040108@katka.biz> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <20041027140154.GB2929@beton.cybernet.src> <4182C07A.1040108@katka.biz> Message-ID: <4183C5A8.7020106@host.sk> Na http://www.maco.sk/ronja/simandl_rx_tx/2004_10_30-stare_plosaky-aktual_schema/ som akurat postol fotozky Simandla 0.2 - RX je hotovy, TX caka na tranzistory a LED.Na poslednej foto je uprava RXu podla aktualnej schemy RONJe. Este tam chyba jeten kondenzator niekde na RX tusim. maco Martin Polehla wrote: > jen tak ze zvedavosti .. jak vypada vyvoj Rx, TX ronji na DPS? > > p0l0us > > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:34:34PM +0200, Petr Simandl wrote: >> >> >>> Ahoj Marcel, schemata >>> http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png >>> http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png >>> jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 >>> >> >> >> Jaky program vypousti takoveto PNG soubory? Ze ty pismenka jsou >> mnohde tezko >> citelna a leckde i spatne - napr. misto BF908 je tam BF903, misto 6k8 >> 5k8,... >> >> Cl >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ NOD32 1.913 (20041029) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Oct 30 17:50:51 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sat Oct 30 17:51:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <4183C5A8.7020106@host.sk> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <20041027140154.GB2929@beton.cybernet.src> <4182C07A.1040108@katka.biz> <4183C5A8.7020106@host.sk> Message-ID: <4183C66B.9040602@sattnet.cz> Kdyz to vidim a vzpomenu si, ze jsem to stavel taky a ty silene vysledky, zamrazi ve me :-D. Jasne, nekomu to jiste fungovat bude... Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > Na > http://www.maco.sk/ronja/simandl_rx_tx/2004_10_30-stare_plosaky-aktual_schema/ > som akurat postol fotozky Simandla 0.2 - RX je hotovy, TX caka na > tranzistory a LED.Na poslednej foto je uprava RXu podla aktualnej > schemy RONJe. > > Este tam chyba jeten kondenzator niekde na RX tusim. > > maco > > Martin Polehla wrote: > >> jen tak ze zvedavosti .. jak vypada vyvoj Rx, TX ronji na DPS? >> >> p0l0us >> >> >> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:34:34PM +0200, Petr Simandl wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ahoj Marcel, schemata >>>> http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png >>>> http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png >>>> jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jaky program vypousti takoveto PNG soubory? Ze ty pismenka jsou >>> mnohde tezko >>> citelna a leckde i spatne - napr. misto BF908 je tam BF903, misto >>> 6k8 5k8,... >>> >>> Cl >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> __________ NOD32 1.913 (20041029) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.nod32.com >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 30 18:09:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Oct 30 18:09:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <4183C66B.9040602@sattnet.cz> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <20041027140154.GB2929@beton.cybernet.src> <4182C07A.1040108@katka.biz> <4183C5A8.7020106@host.sk> <4183C66B.9040602@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20041030170929.GA11108@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 06:50:51PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Kdyz to vidim a vzpomenu si, ze jsem to stavel taky a ty silene > vysledky, zamrazi ve me :-D. Jasne, nekomu to jiste fungovat bude... Jake byly silene vysledky? Cl< > > Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > > >Na > >http://www.maco.sk/ronja/simandl_rx_tx/2004_10_30-stare_plosaky-aktual_schema/ > >som akurat postol fotozky Simandla 0.2 - RX je hotovy, TX caka na > >tranzistory a LED.Na poslednej foto je uprava RXu podla aktualnej schemy > >RONJe. > > > >Este tam chyba jeten kondenzator niekde na RX tusim. > > > >maco > > > >Martin Polehla wrote: > > > >>jen tak ze zvedavosti .. jak vypada vyvoj Rx, TX ronji na DPS? > >> > >>p0l0us > >> > >> > >>Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >> > >>>On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:34:34PM +0200, Petr Simandl wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Ahoj Marcel, schemata > >>>>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png > >>>>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png > >>>>jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Jaky program vypousti takoveto PNG soubory? Ze ty pismenka jsou > >>>mnohde tezko > >>>citelna a leckde i spatne - napr. misto BF908 je tam BF903, misto > >>>6k8 5k8,... > >>> > >>>Cl > >>> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >>__________ NOD32 1.913 (20041029) Information __________ > >> > >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>http://www.nod32.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Oct 30 18:30:39 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sat Oct 30 18:30:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <20041030170929.GA11108@beton.cybernet.src> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <20041027140154.GB2929@beton.cybernet.src> <4182C07A.1040108@katka.biz> <4183C5A8.7020106@host.sk> <4183C66B.9040602@sattnet.cz> <20041030170929.GA11108@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4183CFBF.3030003@sattnet.cz> Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 06:50:51PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > >>Kdyz to vidim a vzpomenu si, ze jsem to stavel taky a ty silene >>vysledky, zamrazi ve me :-D. Jasne, nekomu to jiste fungovat bude... >> >> > >Jake byly silene vysledky? > >Cl< > > > 1. Interface byl na plosnacich (Simandlova page), navic to nebyla Ronja, ale "TP patched" ;-). Ty byly vyrabeny ve skole, tudiz nic extra, obcas nekde neco (routy) spojit atp. 2. Moduly byly na plosnacich (Simandlova page). Prijimac musel byt kompletne odstinen (u hnizda nevim, splet soucastek nejde vyndat), aby vubec RSSI kleslo z asi 500-1000mV na "prijatelnejsich" 70-150mV. To vse samozrejme bez signalu (at uz z PC, nebo vysilace). 3. Celkove jsou pcb modulu spise na delku, nezli na sirku (kvuli tubusu..) 4. Nikde k tomu nebyly, konkretne u interface, testpointy (viz ronja support ;-) ), dle kterych bych porovnal a mohl se presvedcit, ze to opravdu chodi "blbe" ;-). 5. Kdyz uz jsme to nakonec sdratovali (ne z) (rozumej zapojili jednu stranu, iface, tx,rx), proste to "nefungovalo" :-D. Nevim proc, nevim cim to bylo zpusobeno, data proste neprochazely (zkousel jsem z toho delat loopback). Ale vse nasvedcovalo tomu, ze to jako chodit ma. Rx ledka pekne blikala, PWR svitila, ale to tomu asi nestacilo. Mozna chyba v modulech, mozna v iface. 6. No a jednoho pochmurneho dne (pro Ronju jak ztvoreny) uz jsme potrebovali neco "solidnejsiho", nezli wifi, a rozhodli jsme se postavit vse dle navodu (i se supportem ;-) ). Jedina vec, ktera me vadila na jakesi "verzi" na (ne)contributnych plosnacich byla, ze jsem z toho 2hodiny letoval soucastky, pro budouci pouziti ve hnizde ;-). Tot moje zkusenosti a silene vysledky. >>Marcel Hecko napsal(a): >> >> >> >>>Na >>>http://www.maco.sk/ronja/simandl_rx_tx/2004_10_30-stare_plosaky-aktual_schema/ >>>som akurat postol fotozky Simandla 0.2 - RX je hotovy, TX caka na >>>tranzistory a LED.Na poslednej foto je uprava RXu podla aktualnej schemy >>>RONJe. >>> >>>Este tam chyba jeten kondenzator niekde na RX tusim. >>> >>>maco >>> >>>Martin Polehla wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>jen tak ze zvedavosti .. jak vypada vyvoj Rx, TX ronji na DPS? >>>> >>>>p0l0us >>>> >>>> >>>>Karel Kulhavy wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:34:34PM +0200, Petr Simandl wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Ahoj Marcel, schemata >>>>>>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/rx/0.1/rx.png >>>>>>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/tx/0.2/tx.sch.png >>>>>>jsou obrazem stavu RX a TX z ledna 2004 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Jaky program vypousti takoveto PNG soubory? Ze ty pismenka jsou >>>>>mnohde tezko >>>>>citelna a leckde i spatne - napr. misto BF908 je tam BF903, misto >>>>>6k8 5k8,... >>>>> >>>>>Cl >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>>__________ NOD32 1.913 (20041029) Information __________ >>>> >>>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>>http://www.nod32.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Regards, David Sedl??ek >>http://web.wifistar.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From polous at katka.biz Sat Oct 30 19:26:39 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Oct 30 19:20:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz In-Reply-To: <4183CFBF.3030003@sattnet.cz> References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <20041027140154.GB2929@beton.cybernet.src> <4182C07A.1040108@katka.biz> <4183C5A8.7020106@host.sk> <4183C66B.9040602@sattnet.cz> <20041030170929.GA11108@beton.cybernet.src> <4183CFBF.3030003@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <4183DCDF.2020506@katka.biz> David Sedl??ek wrote: > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 06:50:51PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: >> >> >>> Kdyz to vidim a vzpomenu si, ze jsem to stavel taky a ty silene >>> vysledky, zamrazi ve me :-D. Jasne, nekomu to jiste fungovat bude... >>> >> >> >> Jake byly silene vysledky? >> >> Cl< >> >> >> > 1. Interface byl na plosnacich (Simandlova page), navic to nebyla > Ronja, ale "TP patched" ;-). Ty byly vyrabeny ve skole, tudiz nic > extra, obcas nekde neco (routy) spojit atp. Nekdo myslim, ze to byl prave Marcel (a jeste nekdo), kdo TP interface rozchodil ... ja na to tedka nemam cas, ale az mi dojdou dps na twistery, tak se do toho zase pustim snad s pomoci osciloskopu :] > 2. Moduly byly na plosnacich (Simandlova page). Prijimac musel byt > kompletne odstinen (u hnizda nevim, splet soucastek nejde vyndat), aby > vubec RSSI kleslo z asi 500-1000mV na "prijatelnejsich" 70-150mV. To > vse samozrejme bez signalu (at uz z PC, nebo vysilace). vrabcak musi byt taky odstineny (zavreny krabicky, Rx musi mit prepazky..). V prvnich pokusech sem se taky snazil radostne odskouset moduly na DPS bez krabicek a vseho. Bohuzel po tydnu dvouch sem zjostil, ze bez toho to opravdu nejde... Jen twister je odolnej :) > 3. Celkove jsou pcb modulu spise na delku, nezli na sirku (kvuli > tubusu..) Musel sem poridit delsi srouby :] .. doufam, ze delka modulu nebude delat problemy s hledanim ohniska IR vysilace. > 4. Nikde k tomu nebyly, konkretne u interface, testpointy (viz ronja > support ;-) ), dle kterych bych porovnal a mohl se presvedcit, ze to > opravdu chodi "blbe" ;-). Taky mi chybjeli, ale spis je potreba vedet, kde je potreba jaka frekvence (to umi lepci multimetr). K tomu se hodi i ten osciloskop prave. > 5. Kdyz uz jsme to nakonec sdratovali (ne z) (rozumej zapojili jednu > stranu, iface, tx,rx), proste to "nefungovalo" :-D. Nevim proc, nevim > cim to bylo zpusobeno, data proste neprochazely (zkousel jsem z toho > delat loopback). Ale vse nasvedcovalo tomu, ze to jako chodit ma. Rx > ledka pekne blikala, PWR svitila, ale to tomu asi nestacilo. Mozna > chyba v modulech, mozna v iface. Testovaly ste TP interface bez modulu v loopbacku ? Testovaly ste dva TP interfacy proti sobe bez modulu ? > 6. No a jednoho pochmurneho dne (pro Ronju jak ztvoreny) uz jsme > potrebovali neco "solidnejsiho", nezli wifi, a rozhodli jsme se > postavit vse dle navodu (i se supportem ;-) ). > Taky jsem to udeal tak podobne, s tim rozdilem, ze sem si dps nechal jak byly a znova se k nim postupne vracim... zpetne priznavam ze nebyla chyba jenom v DPS jako takovych..... :-| p0l0us From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Oct 30 19:32:13 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Sat Oct 30 19:32:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX a TX na www.simandl.cz References: <417FA3EA.5010807@mujmail.cz> <20041027140154.GB2929@beton.cybernet.src> <4182C07A.1040108@katka.biz> <4183C5A8.7020106@host.sk> <4183C66B.9040602@sattnet.cz> <20041030170929.GA11108@beton.cybernet.src><4183CFBF.3030003@sattnet.cz> <4183DCDF.2020506@katka.biz> Message-ID: <000901c4beae$c7107cf0$0103450a@thechosen> > David Sedl??ek wrote: > > > Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > > >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 06:50:51PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Kdyz to vidim a vzpomenu si, ze jsem to stavel taky a ty silene > >>> vysledky, zamrazi ve me :-D. Jasne, nekomu to jiste fungovat bude... > >>> > >> > >> > >> Jake byly silene vysledky? > >> > >> Cl< > >> > >> > >> > > 1. Interface byl na plosnacich (Simandlova page), navic to nebyla > > Ronja, ale "TP patched" ;-). Ty byly vyrabeny ve skole, tudiz nic > > extra, obcas nekde neco (routy) spojit atp. > > Nekdo myslim, ze to byl prave Marcel (a jeste nekdo), kdo TP interface > rozchodil ... ja na to tedka nemam cas, ale az mi dojdou dps na > twistery, tak se do toho zase pustim snad s pomoci osciloskopu :] ja prvni ronju take stavel podle tohohle, TP v0.3 sem rozbehal, na nej jedu do ted. mam ho na strese a nemuzu si stezvat ze by jelo hur nebo pomaleji nez twister, jen to bylo tezsi rozbehat. myslim ze sem tam hejbal nejakym kondikem a chce to spravne seridit frekvenci oscilatoru. RX na tech tistakach sem ale nerozbehal ani po zakrytoani do krabicek tak sem je odpiskal a udelal vrabci hnizda. tx sme radsi tak epredelal do hnizda ale na tech neni moc co zkazit. urcite by jeli. Glo > > 2. Moduly byly na plosnacich (Simandlova page). Prijimac musel byt > > kompletne odstinen (u hnizda nevim, splet soucastek nejde vyndat), aby > > vubec RSSI kleslo z asi 500-1000mV na "prijatelnejsich" 70-150mV. To > > vse samozrejme bez signalu (at uz z PC, nebo vysilace). > > vrabcak musi byt taky odstineny (zavreny krabicky, Rx musi mit > prepazky..). V prvnich pokusech sem se taky snazil radostne odskouset > moduly na DPS bez krabicek a vseho. Bohuzel po tydnu dvouch sem zjostil, > ze bez toho to opravdu nejde... Jen twister je odolnej :) > > > 3. Celkove jsou pcb modulu spise na delku, nezli na sirku (kvuli > > tubusu..) > > Musel sem poridit delsi srouby :] .. doufam, ze delka modulu nebude > delat problemy s hledanim ohniska IR vysilace. > > > 4. Nikde k tomu nebyly, konkretne u interface, testpointy (viz ronja > > support ;-) ), dle kterych bych porovnal a mohl se presvedcit, ze to > > opravdu chodi "blbe" ;-). > > Taky mi chybjeli, ale spis je potreba vedet, kde je potreba jaka > frekvence (to umi lepci multimetr). K tomu se hodi i ten osciloskop prave. > > > 5. Kdyz uz jsme to nakonec sdratovali (ne z) (rozumej zapojili jednu > > stranu, iface, tx,rx), proste to "nefungovalo" :-D. Nevim proc, nevim > > cim to bylo zpusobeno, data proste neprochazely (zkousel jsem z toho > > delat loopback). Ale vse nasvedcovalo tomu, ze to jako chodit ma. Rx > > ledka pekne blikala, PWR svitila, ale to tomu asi nestacilo. Mozna > > chyba v modulech, mozna v iface. > > Testovaly ste TP interface bez modulu v loopbacku ? > Testovaly ste dva TP interfacy proti sobe bez modulu ? > > > 6. No a jednoho pochmurneho dne (pro Ronju jak ztvoreny) uz jsme > > potrebovali neco "solidnejsiho", nezli wifi, a rozhodli jsme se > > postavit vse dle navodu (i se supportem ;-) ). > > > Taky jsem to udeal tak podobne, s tim rozdilem, ze sem si dps nechal jak > byly a znova se k nim postupne vracim... zpetne priznavam ze nebyla > chyba jenom v DPS jako takovych..... :-| > > p0l0us > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Oct 30 22:23:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Oct 30 22:23:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <000801c4bec0$2f7b1410$9664000a@maximumspeed> References: <000801c4bec0$2f7b1410$9664000a@maximumspeed> Message-ID: <20041030212336.GA24350@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 10:36:50PM +0200, Maximumspeed wrote: > Zdravim, prosimte v cem se da inteligentne vytisknout ty vase schemata v .PNG > tak aby to bylo citelne ?? MAX PNG se da tisknout GIMPem. http://www.gimp.org Nicmene ja to z PNG netisknu, ale z postscriptu, ktery tam je taky. Krome toho je tam jeste encapsulated postscript. Cl< From polous at katka.biz Sat Oct 30 23:12:44 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Oct 30 23:06:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <20041030212336.GA24350@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000801c4bec0$2f7b1410$9664000a@maximumspeed> <20041030212336.GA24350@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <418411DC.4020101@katka.biz> Z komercnich porduktu pro win32 platformy je mozne pouzit treba ACDSee nebo Zoner Media Explorer. p0l0us Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 10:36:50PM +0200, Maximumspeed wrote: > > >>Zdravim, prosimte v cem se da inteligentne vytisknout ty vase schemata v .PNG >>tak aby to bylo citelne ?? MAX >> >> > >PNG se da tisknout GIMPem. http://www.gimp.org > >Nicmene ja to z PNG netisknu, ale z postscriptu, ktery tam je taky. >Krome toho je tam jeste encapsulated postscript. > >Cl< > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Oct 30 23:17:57 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sat Oct 30 23:18:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail References: <000801c4bec0$2f7b1410$9664000a@maximumspeed><20041030212336.GA24350@beton.cybernet.src> <418411DC.4020101@katka.biz> Message-ID: <000901c4bece$4f516010$0103450a@thechosen> na widlich PS prohlizi treba http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ a je to free. kdyby tam bylo misto png rovnou pdf bylo by to lepsi Glo > Z komercnich porduktu pro win32 platformy je mozne pouzit treba ACDSee > nebo Zoner Media Explorer. > > p0l0us > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 10:36:50PM +0200, Maximumspeed wrote: > > > > > >>Zdravim, prosimte v cem se da inteligentne vytisknout ty vase schemata v .PNG > >>tak aby to bylo citelne ?? MAX > >> > >> > > > >PNG se da tisknout GIMPem. http://www.gimp.org > > > >Nicmene ja to z PNG netisknu, ale z postscriptu, ktery tam je taky. > >Krome toho je tam jeste encapsulated postscript. > > > >Cl< > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sun Oct 31 18:36:45 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sun Oct 31 18:36:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem se serverem? Message-ID: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> Ahoj Pri stahovani mirroru stranek Ronji jsem narazil na to, ze kdyz se da stahovat: http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/slovak/banska_bystrica/im000017.jpg tak se wget (ale i prohlicez) zasekne a nepokracuje. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Chci to doporucit anglicky > mluvici komunite a bude ji to asi chvilku trvat nez ji dojde, do ktereho > chlivecku se ma co napsat. > > A aby anglicanum taky bylo jasne, ze se to musi s diakritikou, pripadne > udelat nejake klikatko na vypinani matchovani s diakritikou. > > Diky, > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >