From karel.obadal at ido.cz Mon Nov 1 07:04:30 2004 From: karel.obadal at ido.cz (Karel Obadal) Date: Mon Nov 1 06:58:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja business Message-ID: <4185DFFE.7020403@ido.cz> Dobry den, uz se tu myslim nekolikrat probirala etika obchodu okolo ronje, ale rad by jsem otevrene slysel jestli by hlavne autorovi nevadilo kdyby jsem nabidl treba hotovy twster treba za 4.000,-Kc. Samozrejme ze se nejedna o nakupni cenu soucastek, ale o cenu, kterou muze a nemusi kupujici akceptovat a mne osobne se nezda nijak premrstena. Urcite bude mozne cenu prispusobit aktualni poptavce nebo poctu kusu. Preji hezky den -- Karel Obadal MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. Skolni 1729/IV 755 01 Vsetin Tel: 571 414 245 GSM: 608 720 533 Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Mon Nov 1 07:39:33 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Mon Nov 1 07:39:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja business Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48AC00@vestex01.vest.corp> Podle GPL si muzete prodavat treba za 85000 kdyz to nekdo koupi. Jen musite dodat vsechny podklady, ktere byly pouzity pro vyrobu. (dokumentace, schemata, predlohy pro tistaky atd.) A musite vsechno prodat pod licenci GPL (tj. neomezovat treba reverse inzenyring, neomezovat dalsi vyrobu podle dodanych schemat atd.) ...aspon takhle chapu GPL -- Kosac > > Dobry den, > > uz se tu myslim nekolikrat probirala etika obchodu okolo > ronje, ale rad > by jsem otevrene slysel jestli by hlavne autorovi nevadilo kdyby jsem > nabidl treba hotovy twster treba za 4.000,-Kc. Samozrejme ze > se nejedna > o nakupni cenu soucastek, ale o cenu, kterou muze a nemusi kupujici > akceptovat a mne osobne se nezda nijak premrstena. Urcite bude mozne > cenu prispusobit aktualni poptavce nebo poctu kusu. > > Preji hezky den > > > -- > Karel Obadal > > MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. > Skolni 1729/IV > 755 01 Vsetin > > Tel: 571 414 245 > GSM: 608 720 533 > > Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z > principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby > operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 1 07:44:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 1 07:44:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja business In-Reply-To: <4185DFFE.7020403@ido.cz> References: <4185DFFE.7020403@ido.cz> Message-ID: <20041101074423.GA3689@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 08:04:30AM +0100, Karel Obadal wrote: > Dobry den, > > uz se tu myslim nekolikrat probirala etika obchodu okolo ronje, ale rad > by jsem otevrene slysel jestli by hlavne autorovi nevadilo kdyby jsem > nabidl treba hotovy twster treba za 4.000,-Kc. Samozrejme ze se nejedna Ne, nevadilo. Cenu si dejte jakou chcete. Cl< > o nakupni cenu soucastek, ale o cenu, kterou muze a nemusi kupujici > akceptovat a mne osobne se nezda nijak premrstena. Urcite bude mozne > cenu prispusobit aktualni poptavce nebo poctu kusu. > > Preji hezky den > > > -- > Karel Obadal > > MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. > Skolni 1729/IV > 755 01 Vsetin > > Tel: 571 414 245 > GSM: 608 720 533 > > Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z > principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby > operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From karel.obadal at ido.cz Mon Nov 1 07:56:44 2004 From: karel.obadal at ido.cz (Karel Obadal) Date: Mon Nov 1 07:50:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja business In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48AC00@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48AC00@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <4185EC3C.2010107@ido.cz> Nechci nikoho v nicem omezovat a ten kdo chce a hlavne ma cas a trpelivost tak si to sesklada sam levneji. Jen jde o to, ze ne kazdy ma cas a trpelivost, ale ronju potrebuje... Cenu 4.000 za 1 kus twisteru jsem zvolil i podle toho kolik by jsem za ni byl ochoten dat ja osobne. K. Obadal kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Podle GPL si muzete prodavat treba za 85000 kdyz to nekdo koupi. > Jen musite dodat vsechny podklady, ktere byly pouzity pro vyrobu. > (dokumentace, schemata, predlohy pro tistaky atd.) > A musite vsechno prodat pod licenci GPL (tj. neomezovat treba > reverse inzenyring, neomezovat dalsi vyrobu podle dodanych schemat atd.) > > ...aspon takhle chapu GPL -- Karel Obadal MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. Skolni 1729/IV 755 01 Vsetin Tel: 571 414 245 GSM: 608 720 533 Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 1 08:02:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 1 08:02:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem se serverem? In-Reply-To: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> References: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> Message-ID: <20041101080210.GA8986@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:36:45PM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Ahoj > > Pri stahovani mirroru stranek Ronji jsem narazil na to, ze kdyz se da stahovat: > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/slovak/banska_bystrica/im000017.jpg > > tak se wget (ale i prohlicez) zasekne a nepokracuje. Ted jsem to zkousel s prohlizecem a funguje mi to. Ta fotka neni ani nijak moc velka. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 1 08:04:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 1 08:04:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <000901c4bece$4f516010$0103450a@thechosen> References: <418411DC.4020101@katka.biz> <000901c4bece$4f516010$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20041101080435.GA9507@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 12:17:57AM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > na widlich PS prohlizi treba http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ a je to free. > kdyby tam bylo misto png rovnou pdf bylo by to lepsi Jo dodelat tam PDF je dobrej napad. Pisu si to do TODO listu. Cl< > > Glo > > > Z komercnich porduktu pro win32 platformy je mozne pouzit treba ACDSee > > nebo Zoner Media Explorer. > > > > p0l0us > > > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > > >On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 10:36:50PM +0200, Maximumspeed wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Zdravim, prosimte v cem se da inteligentne vytisknout ty vase schemata v > .PNG > > >>tak aby to bylo citelne ?? MAX > > >> > > >> > > > > > >PNG se da tisknout GIMPem. http://www.gimp.org > > > > > >Nicmene ja to z PNG netisknu, ale z postscriptu, ktery tam je taky. > > >Krome toho je tam jeste encapsulated postscript. > > > > > >Cl< > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Nov 1 08:36:45 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Nov 1 08:36:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <20041018185205.GA6025@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4174106F.21386.107722@localhost> Message-ID: <418603AD.31654.3DACB9@localhost> Tak tahle zahada se priblizila rozreseni. Bylo zjisteno: 1) Uplny vypadek nekdy zpusoboval vadny UTP kabel. 2) Pan domaci nezapojil ochranny kolik v zasuvce, do ktere byl zapojen jeden z testovacich pocitacu (a chudak osciloskop). V dusledku toho se do "zemneni" indukovaly pekne veci. V pripade "plovouciho pocitace" proti twisteru data pri testu vubec neprochazela, i pri opakovani testu minuly patek. Ted uz zbyva jen objasnit proc to sakra vadilo, kdyz trafa v sitovych kartach galvanicky oddeluji vstupy od cehokoliv v pocitaci do min. 1kV. Petr Seliger On 18 Oct 2004 at 18:52, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > Na obou koncich 4 pinove konektory se zamkem. Propojeni 2*dvoulinka z > > UTP 30-50cm dlouha. Zapojeni: > > 1 - 1 1.par > > 2 - 3 1.par > > 3 - 2 2.par > > 4 - 4 2.par > > Prekrizeni je tesne u konektoru a externi napajeni se privadi jen na jednu > > desku. > > Tak zmer napajeci napeti v jednom twisteru a v druhem. Zajima me ubytek > na ty dvojlince. > > Cl< > > Bezne, pokud je napajeni vytazeno z pocitace hned vedle, tak packetloss > > 0,000% (RTL8139C proti HUBu s uzemnenym chasis), naproti tomu s > > plovoucim zdrojem kolem 1%. > > V tom uplne prvnim problemovem pripade s 60m dlouhym kabelem je navic v > > dome jeste 2-vodicovy hlinikovy a znacne schatraly rozvod elektriky. From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 1 12:29:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 1 12:29:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <418603AD.31654.3DACB9@localhost> References: <4174106F.21386.107722@localhost> <418603AD.31654.3DACB9@localhost> Message-ID: <20041101122945.GA850@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 09:36:45AM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > Tak tahle zahada se priblizila rozreseni. Bylo zjisteno: > 1) Uplny vypadek nekdy zpusoboval vadny UTP kabel. > 2) Pan domaci nezapojil ochranny kolik v zasuvce, do ktere byl zapojen jeden > z testovacich pocitacu (a chudak osciloskop). V dusledku toho se do > "zemneni" indukovaly pekne veci. V pripade "plovouciho pocitace" proti 115 V presne. Na vstupu PC zdroje jsou odrusovaci kondy ktere zpusobi, ze kdyz se kolik nezapoji, objevi se na nem presne 1/2 z napajeciho napeti, tedy 115V RMS. > twisteru data pri testu vubec neprochazela, i pri opakovani testu minuly > patek. Ono se tam krome 1/2 z 230V 50Hz objevuje taky 1/2 ze vseho VF ruseni v siti pak pochopitelne (jako common mode). Za tehle podminek podle me asi nema cenu garantovat funkcnost - kdyz si z toho dela nekdo doma vysokonapetovou laborator ;-) Staci sahnout rukou na kastli PC a na uzemneny bod a kopanec jak krava ;-) cbedison tusim mel stejny problem a oddelavalo mu to vstup Twistera pri zapojeni obcas, nebo prijimac, uz si presne nepamatuju (nemylim se?). Na zapojovani 115V na signalni vstupy to neni fakt delany ;-) (zalezi ktery drat se pri spojovani dotkne driv). Nevylucuji udelat nejakou deluxe verzi ktera by mela ochrany vstupu. Ted resim zrovna polozku z TODO listu "dodelat ochranne diody do AUI" (jak se do TODO listu dostala si uz nepamatuju, je to pekne dlouho ;-) ) za kterymzto ucelem prave zprovoznuju RX pravdepodobne vyhorele od blesku, abych mel nejake zkusebni funkcni RX a mohl ozkouset, zda pridani diod nezkazi nejak kvalitu te AUI elektroniky. > Ted uz zbyva jen objasnit proc to sakra vadilo, kdyz trafa v sitovych kartach > galvanicky oddeluji vstupy od cehokoliv v pocitaci do min. 1kV. Hm, objasnuj :) Jestli na neco prijdes, jsem zvedavy co to presne dela. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Nov 1 13:06:57 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Nov 1 13:06:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <20041101122945.GA850@beton.cybernet.src> References: <418603AD.31654.3DACB9@localhost> Message-ID: <41864301.21846.1351562@localhost> On 1 Nov 2004 at 12:29, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 09:36:45AM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > Tak tahle zahada se priblizila rozreseni. Bylo zjisteno: > > 1) Uplny vypadek nekdy zpusoboval vadny UTP kabel. > > 2) Pan domaci nezapojil ochranny kolik v zasuvce, do ktere byl zapojen jeden > > z testovacich pocitacu (a chudak osciloskop). V dusledku toho se do > > "zemneni" indukovaly pekne veci. V pripade "plovouciho pocitace" proti > > 115 V presne. Na vstupu PC zdroje jsou odrusovaci kondy ktere zpusobi, ze > kdyz se kolik nezapoji, objevi se na nem presne 1/2 z napajeciho napeti, > tedy 115V RMS. > > > twisteru data pri testu vubec neprochazela, i pri opakovani testu minuly > > patek. > > Ono se tam krome 1/2 z 230V 50Hz objevuje taky 1/2 ze vseho VF ruseni v siti > pak pochopitelne (jako common mode). > > Za tehle podminek podle me asi nema cenu garantovat funkcnost - kdyz si z toho > dela nekdo doma vysokonapetovou laborator ;-) Staci sahnout rukou na kastli PC > a na uzemneny bod a kopanec jak krava ;-) > Radsi ani nechej vedet kde sem tu pecku dostal :( a udiv pana domaciho nad tim, jak se zapojuji zasuvky. Divny bylo to ze na jedne strane bylo trafo a na druhe dokonce dvakrat a stejne to nejelo. > cbedison tusim mel stejny problem a oddelavalo mu to vstup Twistera pri > zapojeni obcas, nebo prijimac, uz si presne nepamatuju (nemylim se?). Na > zapojovani 115V na signalni vstupy to neni fakt delany ;-) (zalezi > ktery drat se pri spojovani dotkne driv). > Takze ta puvodne podezrela wifi byla bez viny? Ja jsem griloval RX wifinou a maximalne jsem poskodil MOSFET, ze vice sumel. Dostavalo se to dovnitr podle puvodniho predpokladu propojavacimi draty RX-TX jak uz jsem psal. Pokud se smotaly jako v UTPcku tak to bylo OK. Pokud se tam dal RG58 koax, tak uz to prezilo vsechno. Navic jsem pridal zenerku 15V do RX mezi filtracni odpory a tomu uz pak nevadilo vubec nic. > Nevylucuji udelat nejakou deluxe verzi ktera by mela ochrany vstupu. > > Ted resim zrovna polozku z TODO listu "dodelat ochranne diody do AUI" (jak se > do TODO listu dostala si uz nepamatuju, je to pekne dlouho ;-) ) za kterymzto > ucelem prave zprovoznuju RX pravdepodobne vyhorele od blesku, abych mel nejake > zkusebni funkcni RX a mohl ozkouset, zda pridani diod nezkazi nejak kvalitu te > AUI elektroniky. > > > Ted uz zbyva jen objasnit proc to sakra vadilo, kdyz trafa v sitovych kartach > > galvanicky oddeluji vstupy od cehokoliv v pocitaci do min. 1kV. > > Hm, objasnuj :) Jestli na neco prijdes, jsem zvedavy co to presne dela. > No, podezrivam tu smycku pres "cely" plosnak - 26LS31, 2*220N, prepinace vystup UTP, pripadne zakonceni na prijmu - ty odpurky by mely byt pripojeny na zem vedle sebe a co nejblize zemni nozicce 26LS32. Diferencialni pary by vzdycky mely obepinat co nejmensi plochu. > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cbedison at centrum.cz Mon Nov 1 13:15:23 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Mon Nov 1 13:16:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? Message-ID: <20041101131530Z315947-336+19669@mail.centrum.cz> zdravim, > cbedison tusim mel stejny problem a oddelavalo mu to vstup Twistera pri > zapojeni obcas, nebo prijimac, uz si presne nepamatuju (nemylim se?). Na > zapojovani 115V na signalni vstupy to neni fakt delany ;-) (zalezi > ktery drat se pri spojovani dotkne driv). jj, mel jsem podobnej problem, s BFkem v RX a indukci bud z neuzemnene strechy, nebo blizsi wifi, nebo nezapojeneho koliku v zasuvce (vsechny tri okolnosti, jen doted nevim, ktera z nich to zpusobovala..).. kdyz jsem se chytnul ronjy a strechy tak to docela kopalo.. ale problem uz neresim, ronju jsme sundali a dame ji na dum, kde je hromosvod v pohode, nehodlam uz riskovat zniceni RX a nekolikanasobnou opravu, po niz to stejne znova odeslo... Edison From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 1 15:31:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 1 15:31:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BUG in TWISTER? In-Reply-To: <41864301.21846.1351562@localhost> References: <418603AD.31654.3DACB9@localhost> <41864301.21846.1351562@localhost> Message-ID: <20041101153132.GB1732@beton.cybernet.src> > No, podezrivam tu smycku pres "cely" plosnak - 26LS31, 2*220N, prepinace vystup UTP, > pripadne zakonceni na prijmu - ty odpurky by mely byt pripojeny na zem vedle sebe a co > nejblize zemni nozicce 26LS32. Diferencialni pary by vzdycky mely obepinat co nejmensi > plochu. Napsal jsem si do TODO listu abych tu smycku skouknul... Cl< From pabloandreone at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 16:46:09 2004 From: pabloandreone at gmail.com (Pablo Andreone) Date: Mon Nov 1 16:46:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Presentation and some thoughts Message-ID: Hi, my name is Pablo, I am from Buenos Aires Argentina. Ronja Project is awesome !!! I think that 802.11 wireless is cool too, and that it is competing with Ronja. I mean, why I should build a Ronja 10M if I can get some 802.11g and get between 14Mbps and 30Mbps? Of course it is super cool to build it anyway, but only because it's a hobby. But Ronja 100M would be REALLY great ... are anyone working in that project? I don't have too much knowledge about electronics, but if I can build a point to point 100M device I would do whatever it takes. Regards, From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 1 17:27:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 1 17:27:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Presentation and some thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041101172740.GB2331@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 01:46:09PM -0300, Pablo Andreone wrote: > Hi, my name is Pablo, I am from Buenos Aires Argentina. > > Ronja Project is awesome !!! > > I think that 802.11 wireless is cool too, and that it is competing with Ronja. > > I mean, why I should build a Ronja 10M if I can get some 802.11g and > get between 14Mbps and 30Mbps? Of course it is super cool to build it Because with Ronja, you get full duplex and are immune to interference. Also, you don't have to fear what horrible surprises the firmware and drivers are going to conceal. Ronja is using ethernet drivers which are used much more often and for much longer that the wireless ones. The drivers are also much simpler. Simpler things tend to be less buggy with the same effort invested into the development. > anyway, but only because it's a hobby. > > But Ronja 100M would be REALLY great ... are anyone working in that project? Yes. The Lucifer laser head is partially done. > I don't have too much knowledge about electronics, but if I can build > a point to point 100M device I would do whatever it takes. There must be a working guide first. Cl< > > Regards, > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From bobbi at botevgrad.info Mon Nov 1 18:18:58 2004 From: bobbi at botevgrad.info (Bobby) Date: Mon Nov 1 18:19:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Some question Message-ID: <41867E12.7090409@botevgrad.info> Hello All, I have some stupid question. 1. Is possible to eliminate the big schematic of twisted and what is the reason for use of this schematic? 2. Is possible to connect directly to lan (with appropriate hardware driver) RX and TX schematics? And what is happened if I do this. 3. It is good idea to use CPLD or FPGA matrix for realization of twisted schematic (to decrease components and gabarits). 4. Where is the main problem to made 100T transceiver in RX module or TX module (my experience is give me in RX module). 5. If I have more good idea for some realization where I can send it one for check of yours tim. Thanks in advanced. -- Boris Georgiev Borisov BULGARIA Botevgrad 2140 pl."Oswobojdenie",2 GSM: ++359 887 61 33 56 From polous at katka.biz Mon Nov 1 19:10:31 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Nov 1 19:04:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem se serverem? In-Reply-To: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> References: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> Message-ID: <41868A27.3080901@katka.biz> mne to funguje (prohlizec mozilla firefox) p0l0us Ondrej Zajicek wrote: >Ahoj > >Pri stahovani mirroru stranek Ronji jsem narazil na to, ze kdyz se da stahovat: >http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/slovak/banska_bystrica/im000017.jpg > >tak se wget (ale i prohlicez) zasekne a nepokracuje. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 1 20:19:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 1 20:19:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Some question In-Reply-To: <41867E12.7090409@botevgrad.info> References: <41867E12.7090409@botevgrad.info> Message-ID: <20041101201930.GB3117@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 08:18:58PM +0200, Bobby wrote: > Hello All, > I have some stupid question. > 1. Is possible to eliminate the big schematic of twisted and what is > the reason for use of this schematic? Yes, it is possible. The purpose of the schematic is so that the people know what to build. > 2. Is possible to connect directly to lan (with appropriate hardware > driver) RX and TX schematics? And what is happened if I do this. Yes it is. If you do this, Ronja will not work. > 3. It is good idea to use CPLD or FPGA matrix for realization of > twisted schematic (to decrease components and gabarits). Yes. Somebody is even working on that. > 4. Where is the main problem to made 100T transceiver in RX module > or TX module (my experience is give me in RX module). Time. To do something, it takes time. To do something that works takes more time. And most time is taken when doing something that works correctly. Cl< > 5. If I have more good idea for some realization where I can send it > one for check of yours tim. > Thanks in advanced. > -- > Boris Georgiev Borisov > BULGARIA > Botevgrad 2140 > > pl."Oswobojdenie",2 > GSM: ++359 > 887 61 33 56 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 1 20:25:28 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 1 20:25:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pean Message-ID: <20041101202528.GA3278@beton.cybernet.src> Nevite prosimvas nekdo, jak se rekne anglicky pean? 0) GNU FDL - neni 1) technicky slovnik - neni 2) normalni slovnik - neni 3) naucny slovnik - neni 4) slovnik cestiny (asi 9- nebo 12- svazkovy): tam se pise jen ze to jsou lekarske klesticky, klesticky recyklovane do technickeho slovniku nejsou. Prijde mi to divny kdyz pean pouzivam pri letovani odporu neustale ;-) Cl< From maco at host.sk Mon Nov 1 14:37:56 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Mon Nov 1 20:36:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pean In-Reply-To: <20041101202528.GA3278@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041101202528.GA3278@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41864A44.2000602@host.sk> Ak myslime to iste tak po nemecky by to malo byt "**Seitenschneider* " teda podla nejakeho slovnika co som nasiel na http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/ je to *wire cutter ; side cutter ; wire cutting pliers , diagonal cutting pliers 2 Clock - na tie loga sa pozriem neskor, som mmt dost zanebrazdneny, ale ten PS co si poslal - z toho by mohlo byt nieco zaujimave ;) m. Karel Kulhavy wrote: >Nevite prosimvas nekdo, jak se rekne anglicky pean? >0) GNU FDL - neni >1) technicky slovnik - neni >2) normalni slovnik - neni >3) naucny slovnik - neni >4) slovnik cestiny (asi 9- nebo 12- svazkovy): tam se pise jen ze to jsou > lekarske klesticky, klesticky recyklovane do technickeho slovniku nejsou. > >Prijde mi to divny kdyz pean pouzivam pri letovani odporu neustale ;-) > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.914 (20041101) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Nov 1 20:42:28 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Nov 1 20:42:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pean In-Reply-To: <20041101202528.GA3278@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041101202528.GA3278@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1827073673.20041101214228@volny.cz> Podle http://www.chandjee.com.pk/forceps.htm mi prijde, ze je to stejne ve vsech jazycich, treba jako robot. Ondra KK> Nevite prosimvas nekdo, jak se rekne anglicky pean? KK> 0) GNU FDL - neni KK> 1) technicky slovnik - neni KK> 2) normalni slovnik - neni KK> 3) naucny slovnik - neni KK> 4) slovnik cestiny (asi 9- nebo 12- svazkovy): tam se pise jen ze to jsou KK> lekarske klesticky, klesticky recyklovane do technickeho slovniku nejsou. KK> Prijde mi to divny kdyz pean pouzivam pri letovani odporu neustale ;-) KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Mon Nov 1 21:22:20 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Mon Nov 1 21:22:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pean References: <20041101202528.GA3278@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003701c4c058$e046fc20$fd02a8c0@diablo> A ja to pouzival na vyndavani hacku rybam (takze sem si asi hral na doktora). Taky bych rekl, ze je to ve vsech jazycich stejne.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: [Ronja] Pean > Nevite prosimvas nekdo, jak se rekne anglicky pean? > 0) GNU FDL - neni > 1) technicky slovnik - neni > 2) normalni slovnik - neni > 3) naucny slovnik - neni > 4) slovnik cestiny (asi 9- nebo 12- svazkovy): tam se pise jen ze to jsou > lekarske klesticky, klesticky recyklovane do technickeho slovniku nejsou. > > Prijde mi to divny kdyz pean pouzivam pri letovani odporu neustale ;-) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 1 22:01:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 1 22:01:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pean In-Reply-To: <1827073673.20041101214228@volny.cz> References: <20041101202528.GA3278@beton.cybernet.src> <1827073673.20041101214228@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041101220126.GA3995@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 09:42:28PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Podle http://www.chandjee.com.pk/forceps.htm > mi prijde, ze je to stejne ve vsech jazycich, treba jako robot. Hehe pripomnelo mi to to slovo forceps v URL :) Na papiru k tomu bylo napsano "stainless steel forceps", uz si vzpominam :) (uz jsem ho zahodil) Takze podle me se to jmenuje forceps, pricemz Pean je ten dlouhej uzkej typ. Cl< > > Ondra > > KK> Nevite prosimvas nekdo, jak se rekne anglicky pean? > KK> 0) GNU FDL - neni > KK> 1) technicky slovnik - neni > KK> 2) normalni slovnik - neni > KK> 3) naucny slovnik - neni > KK> 4) slovnik cestiny (asi 9- nebo 12- svazkovy): tam se pise jen ze to jsou > KK> lekarske klesticky, klesticky recyklovane do technickeho slovniku nejsou. > > KK> Prijde mi to divny kdyz pean pouzivam pri letovani odporu neustale ;-) > > KK> Cl< > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 1 22:39:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 1 22:39:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <000c01c4c060$3e55f2b0$9664000a@maximumspeed> References: <000c01c4c060$3e55f2b0$9664000a@maximumspeed> Message-ID: <20041101223931.GA4122@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 11:15:06PM +0100, Maximumspeed wrote: > Ahoj > > nevadi kdyz dam IO v Twistru do patic ? psal si tam neco o co nejkratsich > vyvodech coz ? MAX Nevadi, pokud patice nebudou mit nekde spatny kontakt. Proto pouzij precizni patice (takovy drazsi). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 2 08:05:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 2 08:05:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <000601c4c074$718d1ff0$9664000a@maximumspeed> References: <000601c4c074$718d1ff0$9664000a@maximumspeed> Message-ID: <20041102080527.GA1477@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 01:39:42AM +0100, Maximumspeed wrote: > 1, Ahoj jeste dotaz k vyzkouseni 2 Twiteru bez RX a TX modulu slo by to tak ze spojis primo RX 1ho - TX 2ho a 2 kabel to same ? Podle me by to mohlo jit co rikas ? http://beton/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php Nastaven? s??ov?ch karet pro test s dv?ma kartami nebo dv?ma PC > > 2, jak moc zalezi na inpedanci koaxu mezi moduly prijde mi vhodne na to > zkouseni pouzit 50Ohm s BNC (ze stare 10tkove koaxove site) ? Nominalni je 75, ale 50 Ohm i 93 Ohm se daj pouzit. Dopsal jsem to do materialu k signal cabling, az to flushnu tak se to objevi na webu. Kabel ze stare 10tkove site je celkem kvalitni. Cl< From baby at lans.cz Tue Nov 2 10:29:58 2004 From: baby at lans.cz (Lukas Filzak) Date: Tue Nov 2 09:31:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister and aui Message-ID: <1099391398.12370.5.camel@work> Zdravim, mohli by jste ty info. na adrese "http://beton/" dat nekam ne ven na web, pocitma stim ze je to jen vnitrni adresa. Dik From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 2 11:21:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 2 11:21:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <000b01c4c0bc$f3a862e0$9664000a@maximumspeed> References: <000601c4c074$718d1ff0$9664000a@maximumspeed> <20041102080527.GA1477@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c4c0bc$f3a862e0$9664000a@maximumspeed> Message-ID: <20041102112115.GA2164@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 10:18:43AM +0100, Maximumspeed wrote: > 1,ten odkaz mi nejak nejdeee otevrit > (http://beton/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php) > me jen zajima jestli si to zkousel primo spojit bez TX a RX (2 twistry) Aha sorry, dal jsem omylem odkaz na muj domaci stroj. Ma to byt: http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php > > 2, postskripty tisknes asi Eaglem ze? Ne, primo. lpr -v neco.ps Cl< > From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 2 11:33:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 2 11:33:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister and aui In-Reply-To: <1099391398.12370.5.camel@work> References: <1099391398.12370.5.camel@work> Message-ID: <20041102113311.GB2164@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 11:29:58AM +0100, Lukas Filzak wrote: > Zdravim, > > mohli by jste ty info. na adrese "http://beton/" dat nekam ne ven na Misto beton ma byt ronja.twibright.com > web, pocitma stim ze je to jen vnitrni adresa. Dik Je to verze ktera je lokalne editovana, aby na webu nebyly rozhrabane veci. Cas od casu (kdyz udelam vic zmen typicky) se syncne prostrednictvim cvs commit u me, cvs update na serveru a make na serveru. Obcas se spletu a dam odkaz k sobe domu, protoze to oboji vypada stejne. Mel jsem to uz nakonfigurovany, ze to bylo zvenku videt pres ipv6, ale pak jsem se v Apache hrabal a ted to nakonfigurovany neni. Tak ja to nakonfiguruju a zmenil jsem si uz tu bookmarku, aby kdyz se spletu, aby to bylo aspon platny a dostupny URL :) Jen jedina nevyhoda je, ze se na ty bookmarky nebudu moct koukat Linksem, protoze v Linksu jeste ipv6 nemame, takze budu muset startovat Mozillu, ktera nabiha nejmin 1/2 minuty, pri cemz mam tendenci umirat na seslost vekem ;-) Nicmene se stejne obcas stane, ze ipv6 spojeni nejak na chvili prestane chodit (a pak se zase spravi). Nevim jeste, cim to je. Cl< From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Nov 1 22:16:57 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Nov 2 22:32:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem se serverem? In-Reply-To: <20041101080210.GA8986@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> <20041101080210.GA8986@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041101221657.GA6817@feanor> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 08:02:10AM +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:36:45PM +0100, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > > Ahoj > > > > Pri stahovani mirroru stranek Ronji jsem narazil na to, ze kdyz se da stahovat: > > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/slovak/banska_bystrica/im000017.jpg > > > > tak se wget (ale i prohlicez) zasekne a nepokracuje. > > Ted jsem to zkousel s prohlizecem a funguje mi to. Ta fotka neni ani nijak > moc velka. Hmm, zajimave, ted to zkousim odjinud a take to funguje, ale z domova me pouze tento soubor stale nejde stahnout. Asi nejaky divny problem na ceste od ronja.twibright.com k nasi siti inicializovany specifickou posloupnosti bytu :-). -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From clock at twibright.com Wed Nov 3 07:25:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Nov 3 07:46:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem se serverem? In-Reply-To: <20041101221657.GA6817@feanor> References: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> <20041101080210.GA8986@beton.cybernet.src> <20041101221657.GA6817@feanor> Message-ID: <20041103072500.GA6875@beton.cybernet.src> > > > tak se wget (ale i prohlicez) zasekne a nepokracuje. > > > > Ted jsem to zkousel s prohlizecem a funguje mi to. Ta fotka neni ani nijak > > moc velka. > > Hmm, zajimave, ted to zkousim odjinud a take to funguje, ale z domova me pouze > tento soubor stale nejde stahnout. Asi nejaky divny problem na ceste od > ronja.twibright.com k nasi siti inicializovany specifickou posloupnosti bytu > :-). Jo Jirovsky na Principech pocitacu II prednasel, jak nekde videl vadny laserovy transmitter pro vlaknovou optiku, ktery se vyznacoval tim, ze skrz nej neprochazely zadne JPEGy, protoze JPEG header pro nej byla jedovata posloupnost :) Tak muzes pouzit tcpdump nebo ethereal a podivat se, co se v tom spojeni deje. Pak muzes upravit mtr/traceroute, aby vysilalo ten kriticky paket, zjistit, kde to neprojde a omlatit to providerovi o hlavu :) Myslim ze je jeste jedno traceroute ktery nevysila ICMP pakety ale TCP, ale nevim, jak se jmenuje, to by se upravovalo asi lepe. Cl< From maco at host.sk Thu Nov 4 21:05:17 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Nov 4 21:05:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB In-Reply-To: <20041103072500.GA6875@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> <20041101080210.GA8986@beton.cybernet.src> <20041101221657.GA6817@feanor> <20041103072500.GA6875@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <418A998D.3030805@host.sk> Hello, I want to report working hybrid electronics of Simandls RX and TX PCBs assembled according to the newest RX and TX schemes in combination with TWISTER interface. The electronics is working on the table WITHOUT ANY SHIELDERING (on RX or TX) to the distance approx 0,5m with edge RSSI value of 4V. The distance is wery short, but I guess that when we shilder RX PCB hte distance should rise rapidly. What do you say on this? Kto nerozumie po anlicky mozem prelozit do Slovenciny :) Marcel Hecko projekt www.blava.net From pasan at stonline.sk Thu Nov 4 23:03:41 2004 From: pasan at stonline.sk (V.R.) Date: Thu Nov 4 23:02:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazka Led diody atd... Message-ID: <002b01c4c2c2$8a6bc8a0$f18b51d5@repa> Mam par otazok: 1) Ake kupujete (v Prahe) lupy-sosovky (od cinancov) su sklenene alebo plastove. Ci mozem pouzit aj plastovu sosovku miesto sklenenej bez straty vykonu (dosahu) alebo mam radsej hladat sklenenu? 2) http://www.lumileds.com/products/line.cfm?lineId=4 > na tejto stranke som nasiel rozpisane rozne Ledky a medzi nimy aj tebou > odporucana ledka (na stavanie ronji) HPWT-BD00-F4000.Avsak dostat nieje > ,moja otazka je ci by nebolo lepsie kupit nejaku inu ledku (nemyslim zo > zoznamu ktory je na ronja.twibright.com) ale na vyssie uvedenej stranke su > aj ine ktore niesu spomenute a maju 40deg.,60deg.,70deg. > atd.(napr:HPWT-MD00-F4000) neviem co toto cislo znamena ci ma dioda vecsiu > svietivost, tak preto by som rad vedel nieco blyzsie (alebo by ta ledka > nevyhovovala pre obvod a musely by sa menit hodnoty odporov atd, alebo cela > schema?) 3) Aka farba ledky je najlepsia cervena alebo cerveno-oranzova? 4) Ako vypocitam ohniskovu vzdialenost lupy ked je napisane na krabicke len zvecsenie (2x) a priemer (130mm)? -=x=- Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 From maco at host.sk Fri Nov 5 00:32:43 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Nov 5 00:32:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazka Led diody atd... In-Reply-To: <002b01c4c2c2$8a6bc8a0$f18b51d5@repa> References: <002b01c4c2c2$8a6bc8a0$f18b51d5@repa> Message-ID: <418ACA2B.5060902@host.sk> V.R. wrote: >Mam par otazok: > >1) Ake kupujete (v Prahe) lupy-sosovky (od cinancov) su sklenene alebo >plastove. Ci mozem pouzit aj plastovu sosovku miesto sklenenej bez straty >vykonu (dosahu) alebo mam radsej hladat sklenenu? > > Sklenenu, ale 130mm na slovensku nezozenies - NEDOVAZAJU sa na slovensko. Plastova nie je vhodna koli teceniu plastu, velmi zlym vlastnostiam v zlych poveternostnych podmienkach a nepolarizuju svetlo. Plastove nedavaj. >2) http://www.lumileds.com/products/line.cfm?lineId=4 > > >>na tejto stranke som nasiel rozpisane rozne Ledky a medzi nimy aj tebou >>odporucana ledka (na stavanie ronji) HPWT-BD00-F4000.Avsak dostat nieje >>,moja otazka je ci by nebolo lepsie kupit nejaku inu ledku (nemyslim zo >>zoznamu ktory je na ronja.twibright.com) ale na vyssie uvedenej stranke su >>aj ine ktore niesu spomenute a maju 40deg.,60deg.,70deg. >>atd.(napr:HPWT-MD00-F4000) neviem co toto cislo znamena ci ma dioda vecsiu >>svietivost, tak preto by som rad vedel nieco blyzsie (alebo by ta ledka >>nevyhovovala pre obvod a musely by sa menit hodnoty odporov atd, alebo >> >> >cela > > >>schema? >> Nevyhovuje 99% pediek ktore nie su listnute na strankach ronje a to z toho dovodu, ze nemaju dostatocnu obnovovaciu frekvenciu. Ta ledka musi bliknut 10000000x za sekundu a to bezna vysokosvietiva ledka nevie. Ak chces ledky tak sa mi ozvy - som v Ba a pojdem zajtra do BB, tak pripadne mozem nejake zobrat. 0904266214 (maco) >3) Aka farba ledky je najlepsia cervena alebo cerveno-oranzova? > > > Podla toho aku mas prijmaciu diodu. Taktiez zalezi na tom pri akom prude ledka svieti aby si menusel prepocitavat schemu. TX je navrhnuty na ledky ktore su spomenute v zozname. Neodporuca sa kupovat ine. Je to vyskusane a funguje to. >4) Ako vypocitam ohniskovu vzdialenost lupy ked je napisane na krabicke len >zvecsenie (2x) a priemer (130mm)? > > Zaostri lupou svetlo zo slnka - chod niekam von a na nejaky dob skus zaostrit - vzdialenost medzi zaostrenym bodom svetla a lupou je ohniskova vzdialenost. Btw na lugcone budem mat malu prednasku o RONII (v Kosiciach) - kukni http://www.sklug.sk/lugcon/index.php?what=show_lugcon&id=11 maco >-=x=- >Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.916 (20041103) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From maco at host.sk Fri Nov 5 00:42:16 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Nov 5 00:42:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB doplnok In-Reply-To: <418A998D.3030805@host.sk> References: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> <20041101080210.GA8986@beton.cybernet.src> <20041101221657.GA6817@feanor> <20041103072500.GA6875@beton.cybernet.src> <418A998D.3030805@host.sk> Message-ID: <418ACC68.3040100@host.sk> A keby nemal niekto co robit v robote tak prikladam par obrazkof: http://www.maco.sk/ronja/mechanika/2004_10_00_dielna/ http://www.maco.sk/ronja/simandl_and_twister/2004_11_04/ enjoy! :) Marcel Hecko aka maco Marcel Hecko wrote: > Hello, > I want to report working hybrid electronics of Simandls RX and TX PCBs > assembled according to the newest RX and TX schemes in combination > with TWISTER interface. The electronics is working on the table > WITHOUT ANY SHIELDERING (on RX or TX) to the distance approx 0,5m with > edge RSSI value of 4V. > > The distance is wery short, but I guess that when we shilder RX PCB > hte distance should rise rapidly. > What do you say on this? > > Kto nerozumie po anlicky mozem prelozit do Slovenciny :) > > Marcel Hecko > projekt www.blava.net > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ NOD32 1.916 (20041103) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Nov 5 02:42:12 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Nov 5 02:41:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazka Led diody atd... References: <002b01c4c2c2$8a6bc8a0$f18b51d5@repa> <418ACA2B.5060902@host.sk> Message-ID: <001101c4c2e1$0dad2e20$0101a8c0@cz> > > > >1) Ake kupujete (v Prahe) lupy-sosovky (od cinancov) su sklenene alebo > >plastove. Ci mozem pouzit aj plastovu sosovku miesto sklenenej bez straty > >vykonu (dosahu) alebo mam radsej hladat sklenenu? > > > > > > Sklenenu, ale 130mm na slovensku nezozenies - NEDOVAZAJU sa na > slovensko. Plastova nie je vhodna koli teceniu plastu, velmi zlym > vlastnostiam v zlych poveternostnych podmienkach a nepolarizuju svetlo. > Plastove nedavaj. Dovazi: Dioptra, s. r. o. Z?ti?ie 12 831 03 Bratislava Slovensko telefon / fax: 00421 / 244 452 867 e-mail: dioptra@stonline.sk Typ sklenene cocky: D 032 - LCH RB13 G Lupa se sklen?nou bikonvexn? ?o?kou: pr?m?r 130 mm, zv?t?en? 2,0 x a s plastovou ?o?kou v rukojeti: pr?m?r 13 mm, zv?t?en? 10,0 x -=RYS=- ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Typ: image/jpeg Velikost: 13588 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041105/a3b1d0a0/attachment-0001.jpg From kucik at net22.cz Fri Nov 5 13:32:40 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Fri Nov 5 13:34:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazka Led diody atd... In-Reply-To: <418ACA2B.5060902@host.sk> References: <002b01c4c2c2$8a6bc8a0$f18b51d5@repa> <002b01c4c2c2$8a6bc8a0$f18b51d5@repa> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041105142940.025ff840@mail.net22.cz> At 01:32 5.11.2004 +0100, you wrote: >V.R. wrote: > >>Mam par otazok: >> >>1) Ake kupujete (v Prahe) lupy-sosovky (od cinancov) su sklenene alebo >>plastove. Ci mozem pouzit aj plastovu sosovku miesto sklenenej bez straty >>vykonu (dosahu) alebo mam radsej hladat sklenenu? >> > >Sklenenu, ale 130mm na slovensku nezozenies - NEDOVAZAJU sa na slovensko. >Plastova nie je vhodna koli teceniu plastu, velmi zlym vlastnostiam v >zlych poveternostnych podmienkach a nepolarizuju svetlo. Plastove nedavaj. Sklenena cocka polarizuje svetlo? Jak? Vzdyt je kruhova jakym smerm ho polarizuje? >>2) http://www.lumileds.com/products/line.cfm?lineId=4 >> >> >>>na tejto stranke som nasiel rozpisane rozne Ledky a medzi nimy aj tebou >>>odporucana ledka (na stavanie ronji) HPWT-BD00-F4000.Avsak dostat nieje >>>,moja otazka je ci by nebolo lepsie kupit nejaku inu ledku (nemyslim zo >>>zoznamu ktory je na ronja.twibright.com) ale na vyssie uvedenej stranke su >>>aj ine ktore niesu spomenute a maju 40deg.,60deg.,70deg. >>>atd.(napr:HPWT-MD00-F4000) neviem co toto cislo znamena ci ma dioda vecsiu >>>svietivost, tak preto by som rad vedel nieco blyzsie (alebo by ta ledka >>>nevyhovovala pre obvod a musely by sa menit hodnoty odporov atd, alebo >>> >>cela >> >> >>>schema? > >Nevyhovuje 99% pediek ktore nie su listnute na strankach ronje a to z toho >dovodu, ze nemaju dostatocnu obnovovaciu frekvenciu. Ta ledka musi bliknut >10000000x za sekundu a to bezna vysokosvietiva ledka nevie. > >Ak chces ledky tak sa mi ozvy - som v Ba a pojdem zajtra do BB, tak >pripadne mozem nejake zobrat. >0904266214 (maco) > >>3) Aka farba ledky je najlepsia cervena alebo cerveno-oranzova? >> >> > >Podla toho aku mas prijmaciu diodu. Taktiez zalezi na tom pri akom prude >ledka svieti aby si menusel prepocitavat schemu. TX je navrhnuty na ledky >ktore su spomenute v zozname. Neodporuca sa kupovat ine. Je to vyskusane a >funguje to. > >>4) Ako vypocitam ohniskovu vzdialenost lupy ked je napisane na krabicke len >>zvecsenie (2x) a priemer (130mm)? >> > >Zaostri lupou svetlo zo slnka - chod niekam von a na nejaky dob skus >zaostrit - vzdialenost medzi zaostrenym bodom svetla a lupou je ohniskova >vzdialenost. > >Btw na lugcone budem mat malu prednasku o RONII (v Kosiciach) - kukni >http://www.sklug.sk/lugcon/index.php?what=show_lugcon&id=11 > > >maco > >>-=x=- >>Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>__________ NOD32 1.916 (20041103) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.nod32.com >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Nov 5 13:52:02 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Fri Nov 5 13:52:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazka Led diody atd... References: <002b01c4c2c2$8a6bc8a0$f18b51d5@repa><002b01c4c2c2$8a6bc8a0$f18b51d5@repa> <5.1.0.14.0.20041105142940.025ff840@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <001a01c4c33e$a1317c20$0103450a@thechosen> >V.R. wrote: > >>Mam par otazok: >> >>1) Ake kupujete (v Prahe) lupy-sosovky (od cinancov) su sklenene alebo >>plastove. Ci mozem pouzit aj plastovu sosovku miesto sklenenej bez straty >>vykonu (dosahu) alebo mam radsej hladat sklenenu? >> > >Sklenenu, ale 130mm na slovensku nezozenies - NEDOVAZAJU sa na slovensko. >Plastova nie je vhodna koli teceniu plastu, velmi zlym vlastnostiam v >zlych poveternostnych podmienkach a nepolarizuju svetlo. Plastove nedavaj. >Sklenena cocka polarizuje svetlo? Jak? Vzdyt je kruhova jakym smerm ho >polarizuje? --------- nijak, je to kravina Glo --------- >>2) http://www.lumileds.com/products/line.cfm?lineId=4 >> >> >>>na tejto stranke som nasiel rozpisane rozne Ledky a medzi nimy aj tebou >>>odporucana ledka (na stavanie ronji) HPWT-BD00-F4000.Avsak dostat nieje >>>,moja otazka je ci by nebolo lepsie kupit nejaku inu ledku (nemyslim zo >>>zoznamu ktory je na ronja.twibright.com) ale na vyssie uvedenej stranke su >>>aj ine ktore niesu spomenute a maju 40deg.,60deg.,70deg. >>>atd.(napr:HPWT-MD00-F4000) neviem co toto cislo znamena ci ma dioda vecsiu >>>svietivost, tak preto by som rad vedel nieco blyzsie (alebo by ta ledka >>>nevyhovovala pre obvod a musely by sa menit hodnoty odporov atd, alebo >>> >>cela >> >> >>>schema? > >Nevyhovuje 99% pediek ktore nie su listnute na strankach ronje a to z toho >dovodu, ze nemaju dostatocnu obnovovaciu frekvenciu. Ta ledka musi bliknut >10000000x za sekundu a to bezna vysokosvietiva ledka nevie. > >Ak chces ledky tak sa mi ozvy - som v Ba a pojdem zajtra do BB, tak >pripadne mozem nejake zobrat. >0904266214 (maco) > >>3) Aka farba ledky je najlepsia cervena alebo cerveno-oranzova? >> >> > >Podla toho aku mas prijmaciu diodu. Taktiez zalezi na tom pri akom prude >ledka svieti aby si menusel prepocitavat schemu. TX je navrhnuty na ledky >ktore su spomenute v zozname. Neodporuca sa kupovat ine. Je to vyskusane a >funguje to. > >>4) Ako vypocitam ohniskovu vzdialenost lupy ked je napisane na krabicke len >>zvecsenie (2x) a priemer (130mm)? >> > >Zaostri lupou svetlo zo slnka - chod niekam von a na nejaky dob skus >zaostrit - vzdialenost medzi zaostrenym bodom svetla a lupou je ohniskova >vzdialenost. > >Btw na lugcone budem mat malu prednasku o RONII (v Kosiciach) - kukni >http://www.sklug.sk/lugcon/index.php?what=show_lugcon&id=11 > > >maco > >>-=x=- >>Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>__________ NOD32 1.916 (20041103) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.nod32.com >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 5 18:45:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Nov 5 18:45:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Checking out Ronja sources Message-ID: <20041105184509.GA24413@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Ronja has been successfully migrated from CVS to Arch which allows displaying Ronja sources repository over HTTP. Look here: http://ronja.twibright.com/editing.php There is a guide how to check out the complete source tree so that you have a local copy that you can edit and display on your web server with PHP and check for correctness. The people that are working on English -> Czech translations don't need to ask me for .php files anymore. They can get them from the source tree. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Nov 5 20:49:57 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Nov 5 20:50:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB In-Reply-To: <418A998D.3030805@host.sk> References: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> <20041101080210.GA8986@beton.cybernet.src> <20041101221657.GA6817@feanor> <20041103072500.GA6875@beton.cybernet.src> <418A998D.3030805@host.sk> Message-ID: <1099687797.418be77540792@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Sakra lidi vykaslete se na tyhle RX plosnaky. Opravdu to stoji za h... Trochu pouzitelna je teprve posledni verze od K.J.Skontorpa a O.Tesare co je na twiki. Ma jen dva problemy - jsou blbe navrzeny pady pod SMDcka, takze pajeni je mensi horor a druha ze bez laku z vyroby od Kohouta funguji mizerne Quoting Marcel Hecko : > Hello, > I want to report working hybrid electronics of Simandls RX and TX PCBs > assembled according to the newest RX and TX schemes in combination with > TWISTER interface. The electronics is working on the table WITHOUT ANY > SHIELDERING (on RX or TX) to the distance approx 0,5m with edge RSSI > value of 4V. > > The distance is wery short, but I guess that when we shilder RX PCB hte > distance should rise rapidly. > What do you say on this? > > Kto nerozumie po anlicky mozem prelozit do Slovenciny :) > > Marcel Hecko > projekt www.blava.net > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sat Nov 6 08:34:33 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Sat Nov 6 08:34:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB In-Reply-To: <1099687797.418be77540792@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> <20041101080210.GA8986@beton.cybernet.src> <20041101221657.GA6817@feanor> <20041103072500.GA6875@beton.cybernet.src> <418A998D.3030805@host.sk> <1099687797.418be77540792@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: Kdybych vedel jak poradne udelat hnizdo,aby to fachalo, tak bych se s plosnakama vubec nezaobiral... ROOTen On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:49:57 +0100, wrote: > Sakra lidi vykaslete se na tyhle RX plosnaky. Opravdu to stoji za h... > > Trochu pouzitelna je teprve posledni verze od K.J.Skontorpa a O.Tesare > co je na > twiki. Ma jen dva problemy - jsou blbe navrzeny pady pod SMDcka, takze > pajeni je > mensi horor a druha ze bez laku z vyroby od Kohouta funguji mizerne > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 6 09:22:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Nov 6 09:22:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB In-Reply-To: References: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> <20041101080210.GA8986@beton.cybernet.src> <20041101221657.GA6817@feanor> <20041103072500.GA6875@beton.cybernet.src> <418A998D.3030805@host.sk> <1099687797.418be77540792@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20041106092253.GA29309@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 09:34:33AM +0100, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > Kdybych vedel jak poradne udelat hnizdo,aby to fachalo, tak bych se s > plosnakama vubec nezaobiral... Delal jsi ho podle navodu? Pokud ano a nechodi ti, je to chyba navodu a bugreportuj :) S cim je problem? Cl< > > ROOTen From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Nov 6 10:42:43 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Nov 6 10:43:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB Message-ID: <20041106104252Z1302805-9579+55106@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > Komu: maco@maco.sk, Twibright Ronja > Datum: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:49:57 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB > > Sakra lidi vykaslete se na tyhle RX plosnaky. Opravdu to stoji za h... > > Trochu pouzitelna je teprve posledni verze od K.J.Skontorpa a O.Tesare co je na > twiki. Ma jen dva problemy - jsou blbe navrzeny pady pod SMDcka, takze pajeni je > mensi horor a druha ze bez laku z vyroby od Kohouta funguji mizerne myslis ze ten lak ma na to tak velky vliv??? pokud nema nejaky "svod",nebo spis odpor (coz mit nesmi, ale dycky naky je) oproti jinemu laku tak nevim co jineho by na nem bylo tak zazracneho...... > > Quoting Marcel Hecko : > > > Hello, > > I want to report working hybrid electronics of Simandls RX and TX PCBs > > assembled according to the newest RX and TX schemes in combination with > > TWISTER interface. The electronics is working on the table WITHOUT ANY > > SHIELDERING (on RX or TX) to the distance approx 0,5m with edge RSSI > > value of 4V. > > > > The distance is wery short, but I guess that when we shilder RX PCB hte > > distance should rise rapidly. > > What do you say on this? > > > > Kto nerozumie po anlicky mozem prelozit do Slovenciny :) > > > > Marcel Hecko > > projekt www.blava.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 6 11:05:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Nov 6 11:05:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB In-Reply-To: <20041106104252Z1302805-9579+55106@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20041106104252Z1302805-9579+55106@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20041106110505.GA30286@beton.cybernet.src> > > Sakra lidi vykaslete se na tyhle RX plosnaky. Opravdu to stoji za h... > > > > Trochu pouzitelna je teprve posledni verze od K.J.Skontorpa a O.Tesare co je na > > twiki. Ma jen dva problemy - jsou blbe navrzeny pady pod SMDcka, takze pajeni je > > mensi horor a druha ze bez laku z vyroby od Kohouta funguji mizerne > > myslis ze ten lak ma na to tak velky vliv??? pokud nema nejaky "svod",nebo > spis odpor (coz mit nesmi, ale dycky naky je) oproti jinemu laku tak nevim co > jineho by na nem bylo tak zazracneho...... Treba je ten tistak navrzen tak portabilne, ze chodi pouze s urcitym lakem ;-) Cl< From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sat Nov 6 11:07:29 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Sat Nov 6 11:07:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB In-Reply-To: <20041106092253.GA29309@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> <20041101080210.GA8986@beton.cybernet.src> <20041101221657.GA6817@feanor> <20041103072500.GA6875@beton.cybernet.src> <418A998D.3030805@host.sk> <1099687797.418be77540792@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20041106092253.GA29309@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Zatim sem zadne nezkousel, ale mam v sobe nevysvetlitelne predsudky proti hnizdu... ROOTen On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:22:53 +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > Delal jsi ho podle navodu? Pokud ano a nechodi ti, je to chyba navodu > a bugreportuj :) > > S cim je problem? > > Cl< >> >> ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 6 11:10:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Nov 6 11:10:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazka Led diody atd... In-Reply-To: <002b01c4c2c2$8a6bc8a0$f18b51d5@repa> References: <002b01c4c2c2$8a6bc8a0$f18b51d5@repa> Message-ID: <20041106111048.GB30286@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 12:03:41AM +0100, V.R. wrote: > Mam par otazok: > > 1) Ake kupujete (v Prahe) lupy-sosovky (od cinancov) su sklenene alebo > plastove. Ci mozem pouzit aj plastovu sosovku miesto sklenenej bez straty Sklenene. > vykonu (dosahu) alebo mam radsej hladat sklenenu? Radsi sklenene. Pokud ten plast nema garantovanou nejakou stabilitu na povetrnosti, tak nevim, co se s nim na ty povetrnosti stane. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Nov 6 15:29:24 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Nov 6 15:29:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB In-Reply-To: <20041106110505.GA30286@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041106104252Z1302805-9579+55106@mail.centrum.cz> <20041106110505.GA30286@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1099754964.418cedd4b70c2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhavy : > > > Sakra lidi vykaslete se na tyhle RX plosnaky. Opravdu to stoji za h... > > > > > > Trochu pouzitelna je teprve posledni verze od K.J.Skontorpa a O.Tesare co > je na > > > twiki. Ma jen dva problemy - jsou blbe navrzeny pady pod SMDcka, takze > pajeni je > > > mensi horor a druha ze bez laku z vyroby od Kohouta funguji mizerne > > > > myslis ze ten lak ma na to tak velky vliv??? pokud nema nejaky > "svod",nebo > > spis odpor (coz mit nesmi, ale dycky naky je) oproti jinemu laku tak nevim > co > > jineho by na nem bylo tak zazracneho...... > > Treba je ten tistak navrzen tak portabilne, ze chodi pouze s urcitym lakem > ;-) Jjo, ten lak eliminuje povrchove svody plosnaku zpusobene kalafunou. Tedy pokud se to s jejim mnozstvim neprezene. From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 6 16:38:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Nov 6 16:38:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB In-Reply-To: <1099754964.418cedd4b70c2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20041106104252Z1302805-9579+55106@mail.centrum.cz> <20041106110505.GA30286@beton.cybernet.src> <1099754964.418cedd4b70c2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20041106163852.GB32225@beton.cybernet.src> > > > spis odpor (coz mit nesmi, ale dycky naky je) oproti jinemu laku tak nevim > > co > > > jineho by na nem bylo tak zazracneho...... > > > > Treba je ten tistak navrzen tak portabilne, ze chodi pouze s urcitym lakem > > ;-) > Jjo, ten lak eliminuje povrchove svody plosnaku zpusobene kalafunou. Tedy pokud > se to s jejim mnozstvim neprezene. A jaky odpor takovy povrchovy svod muze mit? 1G? 100M? 10M? 1M? 100k? 10k? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 6 17:52:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Nov 6 17:52:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB In-Reply-To: References: <20041031183644.GA10857@feanor> <20041101080210.GA8986@beton.cybernet.src> <20041101221657.GA6817@feanor> <20041103072500.GA6875@beton.cybernet.src> <418A998D.3030805@host.sk> <1099687797.418be77540792@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20041106092253.GA29309@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041106175245.GB505@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 12:07:29PM +0100, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > Zatim sem zadne nezkousel, ale mam v sobe nevysvetlitelne predsudky proti > hnizdu... Proste to postav podle navodu. Jak udelat hnizdo aby poradne fachalo vedet nemusis. Staci, kdyz jako cvicena opicka budes postupovat podle navodu. Jestli nejaky moment v tom navodu nechapes, bugreportuj. Cl< > > ROOTen > > On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:22:53 +0000, Karel Kulhavy > wrote: > >Delal jsi ho podle navodu? Pokud ano a nechodi ti, je to chyba navodu > >a bugreportuj :) > > > >S cim je problem? > > > >Cl< > >> > >>ROOTen > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Nov 6 18:03:24 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Nov 6 18:04:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB Message-ID: <20041106180336Z1301970-9579+60858@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:29:24 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB > > Quoting Karel Kulhavy : > > > > > Sakra lidi vykaslete se na tyhle RX plosnaky. Opravdu to stoji za h... > > > > > > > > Trochu pouzitelna je teprve posledni verze od K.J.Skontorpa a O.Tesare co > > je na > > > > twiki. Ma jen dva problemy - jsou blbe navrzeny pady pod SMDcka, takze > > pajeni je > > > > mensi horor a druha ze bez laku z vyroby od Kohouta funguji mizerne > > > > > > myslis ze ten lak ma na to tak velky vliv??? pokud nema nejaky > > "svod",nebo > > > spis odpor (coz mit nesmi, ale dycky naky je) oproti jinemu laku tak nevim > > co > > > jineho by na nem bylo tak zazracneho...... > > > > Treba je ten tistak navrzen tak portabilne, ze chodi pouze s urcitym lakem > > ;-) > Jjo, ten lak eliminuje povrchove svody plosnaku zpusobene kalafunou. Tedy pokud > se to s jejim mnozstvim neprezene. no tak to je snadna pomoc! vzit kus hliniku, cely ho na brusce zbrousit, pozbirat nabrouseny prasek a zamichat ho do toho obyc laku :) mozna to pomuze ;) (nebo taky ne) :) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Nov 6 20:38:36 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Nov 6 20:38:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB In-Reply-To: <20041106163852.GB32225@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041106104252Z1302805-9579+55106@mail.centrum.cz> <20041106110505.GA30286@beton.cybernet.src> <1099754964.418cedd4b70c2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20041106163852.GB32225@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1099773516.418d364c9813f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhavy : > > > > spis odpor (coz mit nesmi, ale dycky naky je) oproti jinemu laku tak > nevim > > > co > > > > jineho by na nem bylo tak zazracneho...... > > > > > > Treba je ten tistak navrzen tak portabilne, ze chodi pouze s urcitym > lakem > > > ;-) > > Jjo, ten lak eliminuje povrchove svody plosnaku zpusobene kalafunou. Tedy > pokud > > se to s jejim mnozstvim neprezene. > > A jaky odpor takovy povrchovy svod muze mit? 1G? 100M? 10M? 1M? 100k? 10k? > Vsechny vyse uvedene moznosti jsou spravne... From pasan at stonline.sk Sat Nov 6 20:52:34 2004 From: pasan at stonline.sk (V.R.) Date: Sat Nov 6 20:52:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... Message-ID: <004901c4c442$8bb13a70$3c9051d5@repa> Chcel by som zacat stavat TX RX (SMD )na plosakoch od K.J Skontorpa. Rozhodol som sa pre ne kvoli tomu zevraj maju porovnatelne hodnoty z vrabcim hniecdom Len nepoznam nikoho kdo by ich uz staval az na Ondreja tesara ale na toho nemam ziaden kontakt, aby som sa poradil. Chcel by som vediet ci je plosak spolahlivy ci nevznikaju problemy a ci v pohode komunikuje s Twisterom Proste ci sa mam donho pustat alebo radsej pohladat iny plosak. V poslednom case sa tu dost hovori o plosakoch od Simandla. Co je na nich take vynimocne?Su spolahlive,alebo ...? Ktore polsaky by ste mi odporucili (najradsej nejake ktore sa daju porovnat s vrabcim hniezdom) A na koniec nevymyslel uz nahodou niekto nieco ako "Twister" ale aby to slo aj cez obycajny switch 10Mbit/s. Diki -=x=- Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041106/5c849a29/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 6 21:01:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Nov 6 21:02:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja clone on PCB In-Reply-To: <1099773516.418d364c9813f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20041106104252Z1302805-9579+55106@mail.centrum.cz> <20041106110505.GA30286@beton.cybernet.src> <1099754964.418cedd4b70c2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20041106163852.GB32225@beton.cybernet.src> <1099773516.418d364c9813f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20041106210149.GC2894@beton.cybernet.src> > > > se to s jejim mnozstvim neprezene. > > > > A jaky odpor takovy povrchovy svod muze mit? 1G? 100M? 10M? 1M? 100k? 10k? > > > Vsechny vyse uvedene moznosti jsou spravne... A na cem to pak zavisi, v takovym rozsahu? Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Nov 6 21:03:09 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Nov 6 21:03:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] co chybi twistrovi Message-ID: <20041106210310Z1302669-9579+62784@mail.centrum.cz> > > A na koniec nevymyslel uz nahodou niekto nieco ako "Twister" ale aby to slo aj cez obycajny switch 10Mbit/s. > myslim ze ne, ale pripmel si mi neco na co se chci uz davno zeptat co twistrovi presne chybi k tomu aby jel na obc. svici FD? slysel sem o nakych autoneg. pulsech nebo tak neco... co to presne je? to sou nake ... obdelniky urcitych frekvenci ktere sou na lince kdyz nejdou data? bylo by slozite to k tomu doplnit? > Diki > > -=x=- > Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kero at matfyz.cz Sat Nov 6 22:19:08 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Sat Nov 6 22:19:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] co chybi twistrovi In-Reply-To: <20041106210310Z1302669-9579+62784@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20041106210310Z1302669-9579+62784@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <418D4DDC.3080802@matfyz.cz> Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > > co twistrovi presne chybi k tomu aby jel na obc. svici FD? > slysel sem o nakych autoneg. pulsech nebo tak neco... co to presne je? to sou nake ... obdelniky urcitych frekvenci ktere sou na lince kdyz nejdou data? Uvod do autoneg. http://www.scyld.com/NWay.html Trochu to pripomina poucku ze Uvod do ... (vetsinou kvantove fyziky) ma skoro vzdy vice nez 1000 stran ^__^ Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 6 22:38:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Nov 6 22:38:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] co chybi twistrovi In-Reply-To: <20041106210310Z1302669-9579+62784@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20041106210310Z1302669-9579+62784@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20041106223806.GA3149@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 10:03:09PM +0100, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > > > > A na koniec nevymyslel uz nahodou niekto nieco ako "Twister" ale aby to slo > > aj cez obycajny switch 10Mbit/s. > > > > myslim ze ne, ale pripmel si mi neco na co se chci uz davno zeptat > > co twistrovi presne chybi k tomu aby jel na obc. svici FD? slysel sem o > nakych autoneg. pulsech nebo tak neco... co to presne je? to sou nake ... > obdelniky urcitych frekvenci ktere sou na lince kdyz nejdou data? bylo by > slozite to k tomu doplnit? Autonegotiation. Cl< From jmi at atlas.cz Sun Nov 7 17:00:31 2004 From: jmi at atlas.cz (jmi) Date: Sun Nov 7 17:00:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem with distance, led's and full duplex. In-Reply-To: <1464.195.205.177.214.1096419937.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <1464.195.205.177.214.1096419937.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <783528854.20041107180031@atlas.cz> > 1. Very short operating distance. I tested it on the floor. I light TX-1 > into RX-2 and TX-2 to RX-1. In both cases maximum distance is Max 1m. !!! > I tuned R104 and R106. > Here are some values: > P110 - 11.8 V - is that OK ? > P102 - 3.33 V - I can't tune to 3.5V - 4V !!! (R104 gives 2,75V, R124 > gives 3.33V, R123 gives 4,5V) > P104 - 5.30 V i didn't check your voltage, but a had this problem too. My solution was to close RX & TX boxes (shielding). jmi From clock at twibright.com Sun Nov 7 17:32:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Nov 7 17:32:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem with distance, led's and full duplex. In-Reply-To: <783528854.20041107180031@atlas.cz> References: <1464.195.205.177.214.1096419937.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <783528854.20041107180031@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <20041107173237.GB8843@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 06:00:31PM +0100, jmi wrote: > > 1. Very short operating distance. I tested it on the floor. I light TX-1 > > into RX-2 and TX-2 to RX-1. In both cases maximum distance is Max 1m. !!! > > I tuned R104 and R106. > > Here are some values: > > P110 - 11.8 V - is that OK ? > > P102 - 3.33 V - I can't tune to 3.5V - 4V !!! (R104 gives 2,75V, R124 > > gives 3.33V, R123 gives 4,5V) > > P104 - 5.30 V > > i didn't check your voltage, but a had this problem too. My solution > was to close RX & TX boxes (shielding). This should not happen. Were the boxes built according to the guide? Cl< > > jmi > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From coolex at hkfree.org Sun Nov 7 21:58:36 2004 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool Explosion) Date: Sun Nov 7 21:58:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... In-Reply-To: <004901c4c442$8bb13a70$3c9051d5@repa> References: <004901c4c442$8bb13a70$3c9051d5@repa> Message-ID: <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> V.R. napsal(a): > .... > Proste ci sa mam donho pustat alebo radsej pohladat iny plosak. > V poslednom case sa tu dost hovori o plosakoch od Simandla. > Co je na nich take vynimocne?Su spolahlive,alebo ...? > .... My tedka s kamosem stavime Ronju kompletne podle Simandla a jako nejvetsi problem je zatim sehnat filtr, v navodu nikde neni napsany zadny oznaceni, proste jen filtr... Jeden clovek mi rekl ze pry stacej ty filtry ze stovek jako jsou treba FL-1043/1066/1073 ale jedinej se kterym nam to chvilku bezelo byl FL-1043..... Takze bych se chtel zeptat, jakej filtr tam mam dat jinanej nez FL-1043 kterej se shani hodne tezce? -- |=======================| | Cool-Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| |=======================| From schum at seznam.cz Mon Nov 8 07:28:13 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Mon Nov 8 07:28:16 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20RX=20TX=20od=20Skontorpa=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <6048.8626-5704-1454737915-1099898892@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Cool Explosion" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... Datum (Date): 7. 11. 2004 22:58 ================================================== < V.R. napsal(a): < < > .... < > Proste ci sa mam donho pustat alebo radsej pohladat iny plosak. < > V poslednom case sa tu dost hovori o plosakoch od Simandla. < > Co je na nich take vynimocne?Su spolahlive,alebo ...? < > .... < < < My tedka s kamosem stavime Ronju kompletne podle Simandla a jako < nejvetsi problem je zatim sehnat filtr, v navodu nikde neni napsany < zadny oznaceni, proste jen filtr... Jeden clovek mi rekl ze pry stacej < ty filtry ze stovek jako jsou treba FL-1043/1066/1073 ale jedinej se < kterym nam to chvilku bezelo byl FL-1043..... < < Takze bych se chtel zeptat, jakej filtr tam mam dat jinanej nez FL-1043 < kterej se shani hodne tezce? < dej tam treba FB2022, odzkouseno, pokud ti staci 2ks mam je v Praze Mirek < -- < |=======================| < | Cool-Explosion | < | ICQ: 262619019 | < |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| < |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| < |=======================| < < < _______________________________________________ < Ronja mailing list < Ronja@lists.pointless.net < http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=80833 From honza at hoidekr.net Mon Nov 8 10:20:46 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Hoidekr) Date: Mon Nov 8 10:20:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] co chybi twistrovi In-Reply-To: <20041106223806.GA3149@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041106210310Z1302669-9579+62784@mail.centrum.cz> <20041106223806.GA3149@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <418F487E.5040006@hoidekr.net> Trochu se rozepisu, protoze to stale nekomu neni jasne. Zarizeni na konci TP kabelu se dokazi domluvit na rychlosti, kterou budou mezi sebou komunikovat = autonegotiation. Nemusim nas zajimat jak domluva probiha, ale jen to ze probiha. Pokud na TP kabel kabel povesime Twistery proti sobe, neprojde pres ne tato "domluva" (Twisterova vlastnost ne chyba) a zarizeni se nastavi na nejhorsi moznou konfiguraci - 10Mb half duplex. Takze pokud mas linku, kde nelze na obou koncich nastavit natvrdo 10Mb full duplex, tak pojede pouze v half duplexu. Rozdil je, ze data neprochazi obema smery soucasne. tedy nedosahnes maximalni teoreticke datove propustnosti 20Mb (10 kazdym smerem), ale jen 10Mb. Pri prenosu dat jednim smerem to nepoznas. Pokud budes pres linku posilat data obema smery soucasne, pojede to polovicni rychlosti nez pri full duplexu. Nevim, jak presne probiha autonegotation. Do Twisteru a by to mozna slo doplnit, ale je treba uvazit, jestli to ma smysl a kolik by to stalo. Honza Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 10:03:09PM +0100, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= >wrote: > > >>>A na koniec nevymyslel uz nahodou niekto nieco ako "Twister" ale aby to slo >>>aj cez obycajny switch 10Mbit/s. >>> >>> >>> >>myslim ze ne, ale pripmel si mi neco na co se chci uz davno zeptat >> >> >> > > > >>co twistrovi presne chybi k tomu aby jel na obc. svici FD? slysel sem o >>nakych autoneg. pulsech nebo tak neco... co to presne je? to sou nake ... >>obdelniky urcitych frekvenci ktere sou na lince kdyz nejdou data? bylo by >>slozite to k tomu doplnit? >> >> > >Autonegotiation. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 8 11:20:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 8 11:20:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Replacement of Component in RONJA Receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041108112021.GB1805@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 02:36:53PM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: > Hi Karel Kulhavy, > > > > Is there different if I use NE592 D8 rather than NE592 D14? > The D14 is difficult to get it in Malaysia. And also, SFH203 rather than > BPW43. If it can be replaced, will the connection still be the same? Thanks. DIL8 is bad. User DIL14. SFH203 is good. Replacing BPW43 with SFH203 will not have observable effect on distance. Cl< > > > > Regards, > > looshichang > From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 8 11:25:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 8 11:25:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] co chybi twistrovi In-Reply-To: <418F487E.5040006@hoidekr.net> References: <20041106210310Z1302669-9579+62784@mail.centrum.cz> <20041106223806.GA3149@beton.cybernet.src> <418F487E.5040006@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <20041108112508.GA1830@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 11:20:46AM +0100, Hoidekr wrote: > > Trochu se rozepisu, protoze to stale nekomu neni jasne. > Zarizeni na konci TP kabelu se dokazi domluvit na rychlosti, kterou > budou mezi sebou komunikovat = autonegotiation. Nemusim nas zajimat jak > domluva probiha, ale jen to ze probiha. Pokud na TP kabel kabel povesime > Twistery proti sobe, neprojde pres ne tato "domluva" (Twisterova > vlastnost ne chyba) a zarizeni se nastavi na nejhorsi moznou konfiguraci > - 10Mb half duplex. > Takze pokud mas linku, kde nelze na obou koncich nastavit natvrdo 10Mb > full duplex, tak pojede pouze v half duplexu. Rozdil je, ze data > neprochazi obema smery soucasne. tedy nedosahnes maximalni teoreticke > datove propustnosti 20Mb (10 kazdym smerem), ale jen 10Mb. Pri prenosu > dat jednim smerem to nepoznas. Pokud budes pres linku posilat data obema > smery soucasne, pojede to polovicni rychlosti nez pri full duplexu. > > Nevim, jak presne probiha autonegotation. Do Twisteru a by to mozna slo > doplnit, ale je treba uvazit, jestli to ma smysl a kolik by to stalo. Ona nejak ta autonegotiation neni navrzena s ohledem na to, ze by to slo po opticke lince. V IEEE802.3 se pise, ze na optickych linkach se implementovat nema a ma se pouzivat manualni konfigurace. Takze jestli by to slo nevim - muze to jit a taky nemusi, a nebo nejlepsi mozne reseni muze byt nejake shitove nebo nespolehlive nebo neumerne komplikovane, neportabilni ci co ja vim. Zjistit se to da asi jedine tak, ze se clovek rozhodne, ze se to pokusi vyvinout, a pak uvidi, co se mu podari vymyslet a udelat. Cl< > > Honza > > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 10:03:09PM +0100, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= > >wrote: > > > > > >>>A na koniec nevymyslel uz nahodou niekto nieco ako "Twister" ale aby to > >>>slo > >>>aj cez obycajny switch 10Mbit/s. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>myslim ze ne, ale pripmel si mi neco na co se chci uz davno zeptat > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>co twistrovi presne chybi k tomu aby jel na obc. svici FD? slysel sem o > >>nakych autoneg. pulsech nebo tak neco... co to presne je? to sou nake ... > >>obdelniky urcitych frekvenci ktere sou na lince kdyz nejdou data? bylo by > >>slozite to k tomu doplnit? > >> > >> > > > >Autonegotiation. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 8 11:28:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 8 11:28:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... In-Reply-To: <6048.8626-5704-1454737915-1099898892@email.seznam.cz> References: <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> <6048.8626-5704-1454737915-1099898892@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20041108112852.GB1830@beton.cybernet.src> > < > < Takze bych se chtel zeptat, jakej filtr tam mam dat jinanej nez FL-1043 > < kterej se shani hodne tezce? > < > > > dej tam treba FB2022, odzkouseno, pokud ti staci 2ks mam je v Praze Ma od toho nekdo datasheet nebo umi ho najit? Zkousel jsem to hledat a nenasel jsem. Cl< From baby at lans.cz Mon Nov 8 12:14:28 2004 From: baby at lans.cz (Lukas Filzak) Date: Mon Nov 8 12:16:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal Message-ID: <1099916068.3655.2.camel@work> Zdravim, mam malej dotaz, musi se pouziva zrovna oscilatory na DIL14? nejde tam nejak implementovat klasicky v pouzdre HC49-U? Dik Je to celkem velky rozdil v cene :). From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Nov 8 12:25:06 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Nov 8 12:25:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <1099916068.3655.2.camel@work> References: <1099916068.3655.2.camel@work> Message-ID: <33138.194.212.14.194.1099916706.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> > Zdravim, > mam malej dotaz, musi se pouziva zrovna oscilatory na DIL14? nejde tam > nejak implementovat klasicky v pouzdre HC49-U? Dik > Je to celkem velky rozdil v cene :). v HC49 je pouye krystal, kdezto v dil 14 cely oscilator. Dost dobre nechapu proc Clock se tak urputne drzi oscilatoru (jak v twisterovi tak v AUI), kdyz jsou vyrazne drazsi a tezko dostupne. Ja jsem to vyresil tak, ze jsem udelal malinky plosnacek do ktereho jsem napajel 4 dratky a a na neho klasicky oscilator "Colpits" (nebo jak se to pise). Tento modulek jsem zapajel misto dil14 a bylo vymalovano. Pokud bz nekdo mel zajem, dejte vedet, postnu schema. Plosnacek je tak jednoduchy, ze jsem ho neleptal, ale nozem vyskrabl. Kdyz bude zajem, muzu poslat i foto. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Mon Nov 8 13:18:39 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Mon Nov 8 13:19:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <33138.194.212.14.194.1099916706.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> References: <1099916068.3655.2.camel@work> <33138.194.212.14.194.1099916706.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> Message-ID: Ale jo.. pochlub se :) ROOTen On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:25:06 +0100 (CET), Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Ja jsem to vyresil tak, ze jsem udelal malinky plosnacek do ktereho jsem > napajel 4 dratky a a na neho klasicky oscilator "Colpits" (nebo jak se to > pise). > Tento modulek jsem zapajel misto dil14 a bylo vymalovano. Pokud bz nekdo > mel zajem, dejte vedet, postnu schema. Plosnacek je tak jednoduchy, ze > jsem ho neleptal, ale nozem vyskrabl. Kdyz bude zajem, muzu poslat i > foto. > > S pozdravem > > -- > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Mon Nov 8 13:32:47 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Mon Nov 8 13:33:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] co chybi twistrovi In-Reply-To: <418F487E.5040006@hoidekr.net> References: <20041106210310Z1302669-9579+62784@mail.centrum.cz> <20041106223806.GA3149@beton.cybernet.src> <418F487E.5040006@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: Mozna by bylo lepsi, nez udelat Twistera transparentniho pro ty pulzy nastavujici rychlost, pridat do Twistera generator techto pulzu, ktere by switchi, nebo sitove karte nakecaly, ze ma jet 10Mbit f/d Dalsi moznost by byla najit nejaky levny dejme tomu 8 portovy switch, ktery by nebyl magageovatelny a nejakym zpusobem to v nem ohackovat, aby se to dalo natvrdo nastavit ROOTen On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:20:46 +0100, Hoidekr wrote: > > Trochu se rozepisu, protoze to stale nekomu neni jasne. > Zarizeni na konci TP kabelu se dokazi domluvit na rychlosti, kterou > budou mezi sebou komunikovat = autonegotiation. Nemusim nas zajimat jak > domluva probiha, ale jen to ze probiha. Pokud na TP kabel kabel povesime > Twistery proti sobe, neprojde pres ne tato "domluva" (Twisterova > vlastnost ne chyba) a zarizeni se nastavi na nejhorsi moznou konfiguraci > - 10Mb half duplex. > Takze pokud mas linku, kde nelze na obou koncich nastavit natvrdo 10Mb > full duplex, tak pojede pouze v half duplexu. Rozdil je, ze data > neprochazi obema smery soucasne. tedy nedosahnes maximalni teoreticke > datove propustnosti 20Mb (10 kazdym smerem), ale jen 10Mb. Pri prenosu > dat jednim smerem to nepoznas. Pokud budes pres linku posilat data obema > smery soucasne, pojede to polovicni rychlosti nez pri full duplexu. > > Nevim, jak presne probiha autonegotation. Do Twisteru a by to mozna slo > doplnit, ale je treba uvazit, jestli to ma smysl a kolik by to stalo. > > Honza > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Nov 8 13:46:40 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Nov 8 13:47:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... In-Reply-To: <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> References: <004901c4c442$8bb13a70$3c9051d5@repa> <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <418F78C0.7080201@sattnet.cz> Filtr snad z jakekoliv sitovky.. Cool Explosion napsal(a): > V.R. napsal(a): > >> .... Proste ci sa mam donho pustat alebo radsej pohladat iny plosak. >> V poslednom case sa tu dost hovori o plosakoch od Simandla. >> Co je na nich take vynimocne?Su spolahlive,alebo ...? >> .... > > > > My tedka s kamosem stavime Ronju kompletne podle Simandla a jako > nejvetsi problem je zatim sehnat filtr, v navodu nikde neni napsany > zadny oznaceni, proste jen filtr... Jeden clovek mi rekl ze pry stacej > ty filtry ze stovek jako jsou treba FL-1043/1066/1073 ale jedinej se > kterym nam to chvilku bezelo byl FL-1043..... > > Takze bych se chtel zeptat, jakej filtr tam mam dat jinanej nez > FL-1043 kterej se shani hodne tezce? > > From maco at host.sk Mon Nov 8 08:56:32 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Mon Nov 8 14:42:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] co chybi twistrovi In-Reply-To: References: <20041106210310Z1302669-9579+62784@mail.centrum.cz> <20041106223806.GA3149@beton.cybernet.src> <418F487E.5040006@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <418F34C0.3050404@host.sk> Petr Dvo??k wrote: > Mozna by bylo lepsi, nez udelat Twistera transparentniho pro ty pulzy > nastavujici rychlost, pridat do Twistera generator techto pulzu, ktere > by switchi, nebo sitove karte nakecaly, ze ma jet 10Mbit f/d > > Dalsi moznost by byla najit nejaky levny dejme tomu 8 portovy switch, > ktery by nebyl magageovatelny a nejakym zpusobem to v nem ohackovat, > aby se to dalo natvrdo nastavit > S tym switchom je to c00l napad :) Som za :) Ak by sa do toho niekto pustil s tym, ze to ozaj bude fungovat tak dodam switch :) maco > ROOTen > > On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:20:46 +0100, Hoidekr wrote: > >> >> Trochu se rozepisu, protoze to stale nekomu neni jasne. >> Zarizeni na konci TP kabelu se dokazi domluvit na rychlosti, kterou >> budou mezi sebou komunikovat = autonegotiation. Nemusim nas zajimat >> jak domluva probiha, ale jen to ze probiha. Pokud na TP kabel kabel >> povesime Twistery proti sobe, neprojde pres ne tato "domluva" >> (Twisterova vlastnost ne chyba) a zarizeni se nastavi na nejhorsi >> moznou konfiguraci - 10Mb half duplex. >> Takze pokud mas linku, kde nelze na obou koncich nastavit natvrdo >> 10Mb full duplex, tak pojede pouze v half duplexu. Rozdil je, ze >> data neprochazi obema smery soucasne. tedy nedosahnes maximalni >> teoreticke datove propustnosti 20Mb (10 kazdym smerem), ale jen >> 10Mb. Pri prenosu dat jednim smerem to nepoznas. Pokud budes pres >> linku posilat data obema smery soucasne, pojede to polovicni >> rychlosti nez pri full duplexu. >> >> Nevim, jak presne probiha autonegotation. Do Twisteru a by to mozna >> slo doplnit, ale je treba uvazit, jestli to ma smysl a kolik by to >> stalo. >> >> Honza >> >> > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 8 15:40:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 8 15:40:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <1099916068.3655.2.camel@work> References: <1099916068.3655.2.camel@work> Message-ID: <20041108154010.GA2449@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 01:14:28PM +0100, Lukas Filzak wrote: > Zdravim, > mam malej dotaz, musi se pouziva zrovna oscilatory na DIL14? nejde tam > nejak implementovat klasicky v pouzdre HC49-U? Dik Pokud v HC49-U bude oscilator, tak ano. Pokud to bude krystal (coz tak vetsinou byva), tak ne. > Je to celkem velky rozdil v cene :). Ano, zhruba takovych, jako rozdil ceny celych pendlovek a samotneho kyvadla. Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 8 15:42:42 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 8 15:42:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <33138.194.212.14.194.1099916706.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> References: <1099916068.3655.2.camel@work> <33138.194.212.14.194.1099916706.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20041108154242.GB2449@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 01:25:06PM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > > Zdravim, > > mam malej dotaz, musi se pouziva zrovna oscilatory na DIL14? nejde tam > > nejak implementovat klasicky v pouzdre HC49-U? Dik > > Je to celkem velky rozdil v cene :). > v HC49 je pouye krystal, kdezto v dil 14 cely oscilator. Dost dobre > nechapu proc Clock se tak urputne drzi oscilatoru (jak v twisterovi tak v > AUI), kdyz jsou vyrazne drazsi a tezko dostupne. > > Ja jsem to vyresil tak, ze jsem udelal malinky plosnacek do ktereho jsem > napajel 4 dratky a a na neho klasicky oscilator "Colpits" (nebo jak se to > pise). Mas k tomu formalni dukaz ze a) to bude oscilovat vzdy pro vsechny mozne hodnoty soucastek v ramci tolerance b) to bude oscilovat na te frekvenci na ktere ma bez ruznych vynechavani, preskakovani mezi frekvencemi a podobne? a to v celem teplotnim rozsahu, pro ktery je Twister specifikovan? Cl< > Tento modulek jsem zapajel misto dil14 a bylo vymalovano. Pokud bz nekdo > mel zajem, dejte vedet, postnu schema. Plosnacek je tak jednoduchy, ze > jsem ho neleptal, ale nozem vyskrabl. Kdyz bude zajem, muzu poslat i foto. > > S pozdravem > > -- > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 8 15:52:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 8 15:52:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Sourcing component problem. In-Reply-To: References: <20041107145916.GA8065@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041108155223.GD2449@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 11:20:54PM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: > > Hi Karel, > > As requested, the information are as below; Thanks! :) > > > HPWN-MB00-00000 LED SUPERFLUX BLUE > > HPWN-MG00-00000 LED SUPERFLUX GREEN > > HPWN-MC00-00000 LED SUPERFLUX CYAN > > HPWT-MD00-00000 LED SUPERFLUX RED ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is the most suitable one. But expect severely reduced ranged compared to HPWT-BD00-0000 (I guess something between 50-70%, depending on particular optics) Cl< > > HPWT-MH00-00000 LED SUPERFLUX RED/ORANGE > > HPWT-ML00-00000 LED SUPERFLUX AMBER > > > Regards, > Looshichang > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karel Kulhavy [mailto:clock@twibright.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 10:59 PM > To: LOO SHI CHANG > Subject: Re: Sourcing component problem. > > On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 10:44:32PM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: > > Hi Karel, > > > > I face some difficulty in getting the Super Flux LED. I'm > > staying in Malaysia, I searched through Farnell (www.farnell.com) > web-site. > > They only selling the model as below; > > > > HPWN-MB00-00000 > > > > HPWN-MG00-00000 > > > > HPWN-MC00-00000 > > > > HPWT-MD00-00000 > > > > HPWT-MH00-00000 > > > > HPWT-ML00-00000 > > Please eparate from them only those that are red or red-orange and then > I'll look into the datasheets and tell you if some are usable. > > Cl< > > > > > > > > None of the above match any of your other alternate models. Is any of the > > above also workable? Or, kindly recommend where to get it. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Looshichang > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Nov 8 18:41:07 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Nov 8 18:41:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... In-Reply-To: <418F78C0.7080201@sattnet.cz> References: <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <418FCBD3.8908.10AE4F@localhost> 20F001 a 20F001N Rulez. Ten s N je lepsi, akorat pozor pri pajeni, na ty od YCL nejak blbe chyta cin. > Filtr snad z jakekoliv sitovky.. > > Cool Explosion napsal(a): > > > V.R. napsal(a): > > > >> .... Proste ci sa mam donho pustat alebo radsej pohladat iny plosak. > >> V poslednom case sa tu dost hovori o plosakoch od Simandla. > >> Co je na nich take vynimocne?Su spolahlive,alebo ...? > >> .... > > > > > > > > My tedka s kamosem stavime Ronju kompletne podle Simandla a jako > > nejvetsi problem je zatim sehnat filtr, v navodu nikde neni napsany > > zadny oznaceni, proste jen filtr... Jeden clovek mi rekl ze pry stacej > > ty filtry ze stovek jako jsou treba FL-1043/1066/1073 ale jedinej se > > kterym nam to chvilku bezelo byl FL-1043..... > > > > Takze bych se chtel zeptat, jakej filtr tam mam dat jinanej nez > > FL-1043 kterej se shani hodne tezce? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Nov 8 18:41:07 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Nov 8 18:41:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Bug na deskach od Kohouta Message-ID: <418FCBD3.23913.10AF53@localhost> Na jedne varce Skontorpovych RX SMD plosnaku od firmy Spoj kohout se vyskytl zkrat mezi ploskou c.11. NE592 a zemi. Vypada to na vadu filmove predlohy. Po zapajeni se to projevi napetim mensim 2V na P105 misto spravne poloviny napajeni. Bohuzel zkrat je pod NE592, takze hodne stesti pri oprave... From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 8 19:31:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 8 19:31:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL Message-ID: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Is here anyone with any opinion on possible licensing Ronja under FDL? There have been severe disputes over FDL's freeness in Debian community. What's your opinion on the matter whether licensing Ronja under FDL will enforce releasing schematics only in "transparent formats", or even possibly forcing PCB's derived from schematics to be released only in "transparent formats"? Is anyone holding an opinion here that the whole copyright matter is just a piece of shit and information just wants to be free? Reading the disputes I got a feeling that the license grounds aroung GPL and FDL are likely to become messy minefields soon, regarding for example issues around validity of GPL and FDL in Czech Republic or mutual incompatibility between FDL and GPL. Cl< From coolex at hkfree.org Mon Nov 8 19:44:25 2004 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool Explosion) Date: Mon Nov 8 19:44:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... In-Reply-To: <418F78C0.7080201@sattnet.cz> References: <004901c4c442$8bb13a70$3c9051d5@repa> <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> <418F78C0.7080201@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <418FCC99.6060007@hkfree.org> David Sedl??ek napsal(a): > Filtr snad z jakekoliv sitovky.. > No to prave ze ne, kdyby jsi to cetl lip tak jsme rozebrali uz 6 sitovek a povedlo se nam to ozivit jen se dvouma z nich a to jen na chvili :-/ -- |=======================| | Cool-Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| |=======================| From coolex at hkfree.org Mon Nov 8 19:45:16 2004 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool Explosion) Date: Mon Nov 8 19:45:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... In-Reply-To: <418FCBD3.8908.10AE4F@localhost> References: <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> <418FCBD3.8908.10AE4F@localhost> Message-ID: <418FCCCC.1080802@hkfree.org> Petr Seliger napsal(a): >20F001 a 20F001N Rulez. Ten s N je lepsi, akorat pozor pri pajeni, na ty od >YCL nejak blbe chyta cin. > > Mam vsechno v DILu, takze by problem bejt nemel... -- |=======================| | Cool-Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| |=======================| From maco at host.sk Mon Nov 8 20:29:10 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Mon Nov 8 20:29:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... In-Reply-To: <418FCC99.6060007@hkfree.org> References: <004901c4c442$8bb13a70$3c9051d5@repa> <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> <418F78C0.7080201@sattnet.cz> <418FCC99.6060007@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <418FD716.2070101@host.sk> Pozri si historiu konferencie - ja som tie interfejsy rozbehal a bezia mi na 500metrovom spoji uz vyse pol roka - do konfery som pisal presne ake suciastky som pouzival vratane filtrov. Marcel Hecko Cool Explosion wrote: > David Sedl??ek napsal(a): > >> Filtr snad z jakekoliv sitovky.. >> > > No to prave ze ne, kdyby jsi to cetl lip tak jsme rozebrali uz 6 > sitovek a povedlo se nam to ozivit jen se dvouma z nich a to jen na > chvili :-/ > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Nov 8 20:43:16 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Nov 8 20:43:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... In-Reply-To: <418FCC99.6060007@hkfree.org> References: <004901c4c442$8bb13a70$3c9051d5@repa> <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> <418F78C0.7080201@sattnet.cz> <418FCC99.6060007@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <418FDA64.3050802@sattnet.cz> Me ty stary moduly fungovaly s nahodne vybranymi trafy. Cool Explosion napsal(a): > David Sedl??ek napsal(a): > >> Filtr snad z jakekoliv sitovky.. >> > > No to prave ze ne, kdyby jsi to cetl lip tak jsme rozebrali uz 6 > sitovek a povedlo se nam to ozivit jen se dvouma z nich a to jen na > chvili :-/ > From gareth at sublime.org Mon Nov 8 21:29:05 2004 From: gareth at sublime.org (Gareth Coleman) Date: Mon Nov 8 21:26:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RE: licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <20041108193202.B026897629@mail.mailsnare.net> Message-ID: <000001c4c5d9$f9690140$51b54652@bronzebeauty> > What's your opinion on the matter whether licensing Ronja under FDL will > enforce releasing schematics only in "transparent formats", or even > possibly forcing PCB's derived from schematics to be released only in > "transparent formats"? I don't know the merits of one license over another, but I think that the license has to fit what you are doing, not the other way round. If someone wants to make files available on another format then I think best efforts to make them as available as possible are good enough - if you could just 'save as' in a transparent format you should - but not if that means twelve hours work getting some conversion library to compile. > Is anyone holding an opinion here that the whole copyright matter is just > a piece of shit and information just wants to be free? Yup. I oscillate a bit on this issue - but fundamentally I feel that for practical and philosophical reasons information - and by extension intellectual property - is not going to be a currency for long. We can argue about the impact of patents and the like on the history of the invention and the development of markets - but the fact remains that in a digital, connected world you can copy information easily and it has little value in itself. When you steal a beer you deprive the owner of it - when you copyright an idea you deprive the rest of the world of it. That?s the difference between free speech and free beer. Forget being rich through intellectual property - get famous (/reputable) for your intellectual creations (and then rich through being famous/reputable if you can/want to). Just make sure everyone knows the ronja plans! (and they have your name on them) Regards Gareth --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 08/11/2004 From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Nov 8 22:09:46 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Nov 8 22:09:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... References: <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> <418FCBD3.8908.10AE4F@localhost> Message-ID: <002301c4c5df$a8a6d060$0101a8c0@cz> Presne a jsou na kazde jetine za 50kc NE2000 ISA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... > 20F001 a 20F001N Rulez. Ten s N je lepsi, akorat pozor pri pajeni, na ty od > YCL nejak blbe chyta cin. > > > Filtr snad z jakekoliv sitovky.. > > > > Cool Explosion napsal(a): > > > > > V.R. napsal(a): > > > > > >> .... Proste ci sa mam donho pustat alebo radsej pohladat iny plosak. > > >> V poslednom case sa tu dost hovori o plosakoch od Simandla. > > >> Co je na nich take vynimocne?Su spolahlive,alebo ...? > > >> .... > > > > > > > > > > > > My tedka s kamosem stavime Ronju kompletne podle Simandla a jako > > > nejvetsi problem je zatim sehnat filtr, v navodu nikde neni napsany > > > zadny oznaceni, proste jen filtr... Jeden clovek mi rekl ze pry stacej > > > ty filtry ze stovek jako jsou treba FL-1043/1066/1073 ale jedinej se > > > kterym nam to chvilku bezelo byl FL-1043..... > > > > > > Takze bych se chtel zeptat, jakej filtr tam mam dat jinanej nez > > > FL-1043 kterej se shani hodne tezce? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 8 22:24:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 8 22:24:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: alternativni drzak pro ronju In-Reply-To: <418FE786.19258.7CE56F@localhost> References: <418FE786.19258.7CE56F@localhost> Message-ID: <20041108222423.GA4142@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 09:39:18PM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > Zdar, > podarilo se mi zajistit vyrobu drzaku vyuzitelnych i pod Ronju, viz. priloha. > Dovoluji si timto nabidnou jeden kousek k otestovani. Pokud by se osvedcil > mohl by se zaradit do navodu jako verze pro vybavenejsi stavitele. > Pripadne bych si dovolil umistit "inzerat" na > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware , pokud by > nebylo namitek. Hm, koukal jsem se na to, provedeni vypada hezky, ale ta konstrukce se mi nelibi. Normalni drzak (podle navodu) vyrabet muzes? Nebo aspon tu placku s tim L-kem? Co je ta barva - akrylatova praskova barva? Na wikinu si to klidne dej, nezavisle na tom jestli to do navodu zaradim nebo ne, ja tam jeste nekam asi pripisu, ze to co je na wikine, nemusi byt nutne oficialni a podporovany. > > Petr Seliger > Petr Seliger, samozvany pan na hrade Peckovskem a prilehlem okoli Co je hrad Peckovsky? To vlastnis nejaky hrad? Cl< Content-Description: Attachment information. > The following section of this message contains a file attachment > prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. > If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, > you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. > If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. > > ---- File information ----------- > File: hrouda.jpg > Date: 1 Nov 2003, 0:00 > Size: 194397 bytes. > Type: JPEG-image From rc299 at cam.ac.uk Mon Nov 8 22:44:53 2004 From: rc299 at cam.ac.uk (R. Clark) Date: Mon Nov 8 22:44:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Dobry den, sorry to reply to this list. Is there any way I can receive just English emails? I don't know much Czech you see. Thanks, Ralph On Nov 8 2004, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > Hello > > Is here anyone with any opinion on possible licensing Ronja under FDL? > There have been severe disputes over FDL's freeness in Debian community. > What's your opinion on the matter whether licensing Ronja under FDL will > enforce releasing schematics only in "transparent formats", or even > possibly forcing PCB's derived from schematics to be released only in > "transparent formats"? > > Is anyone holding an opinion here that the whole copyright matter is just > a piece of shit and information just wants to be free? > > Reading the disputes I got a feeling that the license grounds aroung GPL > and FDL are likely to become messy minefields soon, regarding for example > issues around validity of GPL and FDL in Czech Republic or mutual > incompatibility between FDL and GPL. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 8 23:04:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 8 23:04:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041108230405.GC4394@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 10:44:53PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > Dobry den, sorry to reply to this list. Is there any way I can receive just > English emails? I don't know much Czech you see. I don't know - maybe using a bayesian filter from Spamassassin? I would like more if everyone spoke English too, but can you explain the Czechs somehow that they should learn English, because it's a world language in technical fields? Cl< > > Thanks, > > Ralph > > > On Nov 8 2004, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >Hello > > > >Is here anyone with any opinion on possible licensing Ronja under FDL? > >There have been severe disputes over FDL's freeness in Debian community. > >What's your opinion on the matter whether licensing Ronja under FDL will > >enforce releasing schematics only in "transparent formats", or even > >possibly forcing PCB's derived from schematics to be released only in > >"transparent formats"? > > > >Is anyone holding an opinion here that the whole copyright matter is just > >a piece of shit and information just wants to be free? > > > >Reading the disputes I got a feeling that the license grounds aroung GPL > >and FDL are likely to become messy minefields soon, regarding for example > >issues around validity of GPL and FDL in Czech Republic or mutual > >incompatibility between FDL and GPL. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 8 23:04:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 8 23:04:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... In-Reply-To: <002301c4c5df$a8a6d060$0101a8c0@cz> References: <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> <418FCBD3.8908.10AE4F@localhost> <002301c4c5df$a8a6d060$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041108230453.GD4394@beton.cybernet.src> > > 20F001 a 20F001N Rulez. Ten s N je lepsi, akorat pozor pri pajeni, na ty V cem je lepsi ten s N? Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Mon Nov 8 23:11:22 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Mon Nov 8 23:11:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... In-Reply-To: <20041108230453.GD4394@beton.cybernet.src> References: <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> <418FCBD3.8908.10AE4F@localhost> <002301c4c5df$a8a6d060$0101a8c0@cz> <20041108230453.GD4394@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <418FFD1A.2030805@poupe.net> 20F001 is without common mode choke against to 20F001N.. As You can see if you use google :-) Kneza Karel Kulhavy wrote: >>>20F001 a 20F001N Rulez. Ten s N je lepsi, akorat pozor pri pajeni, na ty > > > V cem je lepsi ten s N? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Nov 8 23:28:25 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Nov 8 23:27:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... References: <418E9A8C.5000907@hkfree.org> <418FCBD3.8908.10AE4F@localhost> <002301c4c5df$a8a6d060$0101a8c0@cz> <20041108230453.GD4394@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001301c4c5ea$a59d8700$0101a8c0@cz> Asi ze ma jadra jen pro 10Mbps (16MHz). Ostatni jsou s jadrama i pro 100Mbps ...coz by nebylo zrovna vhodne. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RX TX od Skontorpa... > > > 20F001 a 20F001N Rulez. Ten s N je lepsi, akorat pozor pri pajeni, na ty > > V cem je lepsi ten s N? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 8 23:58:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 8 23:58:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RE: licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <000001c4c5d9$f9690140$51b54652@bronzebeauty> References: <20041108193202.B026897629@mail.mailsnare.net> <000001c4c5d9$f9690140$51b54652@bronzebeauty> Message-ID: <20041108235838.GE4394@beton.cybernet.src> > I oscillate a bit on this issue - but fundamentally I feel that for > practical and philosophical reasons information - and by extension > intellectual property - is not going to be a currency for long. I am having a feeling that any (my) attempts to control what one may and might not do with Ronja must be doomed - even if acting illegaly, I will hardly hunt someone in some different jurisdiction with hardly provable damages ;-) Generally, I think any attempts to base incomes on control AFTER release of a piece of information must be fundamentally flawed, bring more confusion than merit (as we seen on today's IP scene) and be finally doomed by the fact that people are going to be able to copy anything more and more unrestricted way. So I think the only viable option for me to harness Ronja's potential is to control the things before release - it's an efficient control. If you don't release something, noone can copy it :) I think that from the point of the user it's still OK, as long as the things already released are still freely for everyone, which is exactly what I imagine. The only system I managed to find out was the current one with the financial gifts and releasing things as soon as a predetermined sum (for each piece of development independent) accumulates. I think it's pretty possible that the future economy of free thoughts is going to work this way. First you release something that works, then you get fame, and maybe then people will send gifts, because things that really work are rare (at least judging from things I bugy in shops). Regarding what you said with "as long as it has your name on it" - I think this is hardly enforceable, again. What is enforceable that you support what you made. You are the only person in the world that is able to give support most efficiently, becuase it's you who designed it. Faked authors tend to provide zero support (at least I think) ;-) Actually, we could redefine authorship into "supportship" ;-) In a world where copying is common, authorship becomes hazy. But there is still some feeling of "your projects" - I think this should be best worded in terms of support. So that we can redesign the current model a bit: 1) replace copy control AFTER release with control of the release itself 2) replace royalties for gifts 3) replace authorship with support I hope this is going to work, because I really don't like the idea that I am going to find a job soon to do for living and abandon Ronja more or less. Ideally, I would like to do Ronja for living, and the aforementioned model is probably the only way how to realize it conveniently for everyone. Shall Ronja provide not enough interesting for mankind, I am prepared to design anything - computers, PDA's, mechanics, anything - as long as it stays completely free. There seems to be infinite possibilities what to do. I just don't like the current model of how society works because I perceive it as much work for little merit - people are competing instead of cooperating, lots of effort are being put into generating money, money are flowing here and there, people are chasing them, and the whole system is turbulent and unstable, with horrible rate of atrocities, wars, poverty etc. Everyone is in a fear that he loses his advantage above the others. Everyone wants to have an advantage above the others. But this is nonsense. Try to imagine that a>b and b>a. It's impossible. There always must be poor, and there always must be perpetual struggles. In this system there are two basic states: 1) poverty 2) being in advantage through being in control of someone else. And to be sure you don't lose it, tightening the control perpetually more and more, just to be sure. What is typical for this state is that you can't afford do things you are doing the way they should be done properly, because you would immediately lose the advantage immediately. Ordinary people are somewhere halfway between these states where the weight constantly fluctuates. The bearers of pover are on one extreme and the poor starving in the third world on the other one. I don't want to live in a perpetual struggle. I just want to work and live, not struggle. I don't want to earn by being better than the other, but by being good. Sometimes I feel that going to (a conventional) work, earning money and going to e. g. TV shop and buing a TV set is more exhausting and uncertain that designing it myself (and releasing the design to the world, because designing something like this just for yourself is a real waste of effort). Tomorrow my father is returning an inkjet into a shop that started to print wrong after just 3 days of usage. He already had problems with the shop at the time of purchase. Look at the situation from both sides: 1) you are a frustrated user 2) you are an evil manufacturer or evil seller, you just have to be evil, because if you aren't, there are plenty others who are evil and playing in the same (evil) system that are just going to get an advantage over you. So you have to shut up, keep pace and be evil. I don't want to work as an evil worker in my work time and be frustrated in my spare time. With doing it yourself, at least, you don't have to pay the taxes that are levied on each step of the manufacture chain. Theo De Raadt already seems to live this way with his OpenBSD project. So the question for me seems to be not whether, but how. Yes, there is still a probability that I am paranoid and the society is mentally healthy and normal. But this is unlikely, considering the fact that human history is largely based on mass-scale atrocities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history I doubt these atrocities were committed because the people just wanted to kill someone like in the Doom or Quake. My explanation is that it was because they wanted to secure their place in society. And they tried to do it the wrong, old way, because noone thought that it could be done some other way, without trying to constantly getting an advantage over the others. Cl< > > We can argue about the impact of patents and the like on the history of the > invention and the development of markets - but the fact remains that in a > digital, connected world you can copy information easily and it has little > value in itself. > > When you steal a beer you deprive the owner of it - when you copyright an > idea you deprive the rest of the world of it. That?s the difference between > free speech and free beer. > > Forget being rich through intellectual property - get famous (/reputable) > for your intellectual creations (and then rich through being > famous/reputable if you can/want to). > > Just make sure everyone knows the ronja plans! (and they have your name on > them) > > Regards > > Gareth > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 08/11/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zapadlo at melzer.cz Tue Nov 9 07:56:18 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Tue Nov 9 07:50:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <20041108154242.GB2449@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1099916068.3655.2.camel@work> <33138.194.212.14.194.1099916706.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> <20041108154242.GB2449@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200411090856.18531.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > Mas k tomu formalni dukaz ze > a) to bude oscilovat vzdy pro vsechny mozne hodnoty soucastek v ramci > tolerance b) to bude oscilovat na te frekvenci na ktere ma bez ruznych > vynechavani, preskakovani mezi frekvencemi a podobne? > a to v celem teplotnim rozsahu, pro ktery je Twister specifikovan? Formalni dukaz nemam, ten necham na matematicich. Ale v ramci testovani mam jistotu podporenou zkusenosti, ze to bude spolehlive (jsem dlouholety amater a bastlir, podbnych oscilatoru jsem postavil pomerne dost). Navic jsem zkousel variace na hodnoty soucastek a bylo to znacne nezavisle. Podarilo se mi v tom ukmitat krystaly od nekolika MHz do 18MHz (vyssi krystal jsem uz nemel) a kmitali v tom krystaly i s nanosem blata na vlastnim krystalu. (ano, byl jsem za povodne v 97 vytopeny) Co se tyce variace soucastek tak bazove odpory jsem zkousel v rozmezi 22k - 100k, emitorovy 1- 3k3, hodnoty kondenzatoru C3 12p - 68p, C2 100p - 470p a pokazde to kmitalo. Cose tyce teplotni spolehlivosti, tak jsem to vystrcil ven kde bylo cca 5 stupnu a bez potizi to okamzite nasazovalo kmity. Fotku dodam pristi tyden. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. 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Name: osc.png Type: image/png Size: 3088 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041109/929ea95e/osc.png From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 9 08:41:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 9 08:41:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <200411090856.18531.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <1099916068.3655.2.camel@work> <33138.194.212.14.194.1099916706.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> <20041108154242.GB2449@beton.cybernet.src> <200411090856.18531.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20041109084107.GA6067@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 08:56:18AM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > > Mas k tomu formalni dukaz ze > > a) to bude oscilovat vzdy pro vsechny mozne hodnoty soucastek v ramci > > tolerance b) to bude oscilovat na te frekvenci na ktere ma bez ruznych > > vynechavani, preskakovani mezi frekvencemi a podobne? > > a to v celem teplotnim rozsahu, pro ktery je Twister specifikovan? > > Formalni dukaz nemam, ten necham na matematicich. Ale v ramci testovani mam > jistotu podporenou zkusenosti, ze to bude spolehlive (jsem dlouholety amater > a bastlir, podbnych oscilatoru jsem postavil pomerne dost). > > Navic jsem zkousel variace na hodnoty soucastek a bylo to znacne nezavisle. > Podarilo se mi v tom ukmitat krystaly od nekolika MHz do 18MHz (vyssi krystal > jsem uz nemel) a kmitali v tom krystaly i s nanosem blata na vlastnim > krystalu. (ano, byl jsem za povodne v 97 vytopeny) > > Co se tyce variace soucastek tak bazove odpory jsem zkousel v rozmezi 22k - > 100k, emitorovy 1- 3k3, hodnoty kondenzatoru C3 12p - 68p, C2 100p - 470p a > pokazde to kmitalo. > > Cose tyce teplotni spolehlivosti, tak jsem to vystrcil ven kde bylo cca 5 > stupnu a bez potizi to okamzite nasazovalo kmity. Mas nekde schema dostupne treba na webu nebo tak? Cl< > > Fotku dodam pristi tyden. > > > > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 9 09:10:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 9 09:10:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Krystal In-Reply-To: <200411090958.16977.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200411090958.16977.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20041109091009.GA6164@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 09:58:16AM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Posilam schema (slo i do konference) > > V AUI forte jsem oscilator nahradil klasickym zapojenim oscilatoru s hradlem > 74HC04. Tam to s krystalem 4MHz chodi dobre. Ovsem na vyssich frekvencich mi > muz tyhlety oscilatory nechteji dobre kmitat, tak jsem sahl po tom > Colpittsovi. Viz priloha. No Colpitts rozhodne lepsi nez to hradlo. Z toho hradla se mi jezi vsechny bodliny :) Kde jsi to zapojeni vzal? To mas z nejakeho zdroje? Nejak jen mi neni jasny, jak to funguje. Chapes, jak to funguje? Muzes popsat funkci? Prijde mi, ze to neni jednoducha zpetnovazebni smycka jako ze nekde neco vyleze na vystupu, proleze krystalem a vraci se to na vstup zesilovace. Ma to nejak omezeny "zesileni smycky" (i kdyz tam tu smycku nevidim)? Umis s gnucapem (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnucap/), resp. mas Linux? Cl< > > AUI s krystalem je videt: > http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM3538?full=1 > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Tue Nov 9 09:19:01 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Tue Nov 9 09:19:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> Co to hodit na twiki? -- Kosac > > > Zdravim, > > mam malej dotaz, musi se pouziva zrovna oscilatory na > DIL14? nejde tam > > nejak implementovat klasicky v pouzdre HC49-U? Dik > > Je to celkem velky rozdil v cene :). > v HC49 je pouye krystal, kdezto v dil 14 cely oscilator. Dost dobre > nechapu proc Clock se tak urputne drzi oscilatoru (jak v > twisterovi tak v > AUI), kdyz jsou vyrazne drazsi a tezko dostupne. > > Ja jsem to vyresil tak, ze jsem udelal malinky plosnacek do > ktereho jsem > napajel 4 dratky a a na neho klasicky oscilator "Colpits" > (nebo jak se to > pise). > Tento modulek jsem zapajel misto dil14 a bylo vymalovano. > Pokud bz nekdo > mel zajem, dejte vedet, postnu schema. Plosnacek je tak jednoduchy, ze > jsem ho neleptal, ale nozem vyskrabl. Kdyz bude zajem, muzu > poslat i foto. > > S pozdravem > > -- > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From zapadlo at melzer.cz Tue Nov 9 11:20:05 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Tue Nov 9 11:14:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <200411091220.05372.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 9. listopadu 2004 10:19 kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz napsal(a): > Co to hodit na twiki? Uprimne receno wiki je pro me dost nestravitelna zalezitost. Schema jsem poslal, fotky poslu pristi tyden, kdyz tak to nekdo na wiki hodte. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Tue Nov 9 12:11:22 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Tue Nov 9 12:12:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pajeni PCB Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A88C@vestex01.vest.corp> Ahoj, asi budu vypadat jak trouba, ale presto :-) Jak by se mely pajet odpory a kondy na tistaku? Jde mi o to, jestli nejdriv zaletovat a pak ustipnout nohy, nebo je nejdriv zkratit a pak zaletovat? -- Kosac From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Nov 9 12:41:13 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Nov 9 12:41:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pajeni PCB Message-ID: <20041109124122Z1305107-9583+124076@mail.centrum.cz> no je to samozr. jedno, ale ja nejdriv pajim, a pak striham.. mam super kleste nebo spis nuzky, vyrazene od zubare, co stim strihaly draty na rovnatka... tim ustrihnes vsechno.... nekdo mozna rekne ze je lepsi nejdriv strihat a pak pajet, protoze pri strihani je cela nozka i s medenou ploskou mech. namahana a muze se urvat, ale je to nepravdepodobne.... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: > Komu: > Datum: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:11:22 +0100 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Pajeni PCB > > Ahoj, > > asi budu vypadat jak trouba, ale presto :-) > Jak by se mely pajet odpory a kondy na tistaku? > Jde mi o to, jestli nejdriv zaletovat a pak > ustipnout nohy, nebo je nejdriv zkratit a pak > zaletovat? > -- > Kosac > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 9 12:46:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 9 12:47:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pajeni PCB In-Reply-To: <20041109124122Z1305107-9583+124076@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20041109124122Z1305107-9583+124076@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20041109124658.GA8210@beton.cybernet.src> > > asi budu vypadat jak trouba, ale presto :-) > > Jak by se mely pajet odpory a kondy na tistaku? > > Jde mi o to, jestli nejdriv zaletovat a pak > > ustipnout nohy, nebo je nejdriv zkratit a pak > > zaletovat? no rekneme ze kdyz by se stipanim spoj namahal (napr. tluste stipacky nebo nepristupne misto) tak to bud stipat pred tim, a nebo to po ustipnuti jeste jednou roztavit. Kdyz se stipe jemnymi stipackami a ne do kapky cinu, ale az do dratku, ktery z toho trci, tak je to asi OK. Vetsinou jsem to tak delal (protoze jinak by mi soucastka vypadla) a Twister byl OK. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 9 13:31:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 9 13:31:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <200411091220.05372.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> <200411091220.05372.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20041109133108.GA10651@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 12:20:05PM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Dne ?t 9. listopadu 2004 10:19 kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz napsal(a): > > Co to hodit na twiki? > > > Uprimne receno wiki je pro me dost nestravitelna zalezitost. Schema jsem > poslal, fotky poslu pristi tyden, kdyz tak to nekdo na wiki hodte. No nekde na nejaky strance zmackni tlacitko "Edit" a pak tam neco pripis a dej "Save" a pak nejaky "Finish" nebo tak - je to tam intuitivne vzdycky dole u kraje stranky. Pak kdyz tam do textu napises treba CrystalOscillator tak po ulozeni za tim bude otaznicek, na ktery kdyz se klikne, tak se vytvori ta podstranka CrystalOscillator a bude ti podstrcen formular, abys tam necotextu vyplnil. Cl< > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From rc299 at cam.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 14:11:19 2004 From: rc299 at cam.ac.uk (R. Clark) Date: Tue Nov 9 14:11:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <20041108230405.GC4394@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <20041108230405.GC4394@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Hi Guys. With regards the licensing, I suggest that if you ever intend to make a living off Ronja, keep the 10Mbit/s version open source but keep all details of any improved designs to yourself so that you may make money off them. I am confused about the ethernet spec. In the 803.2 1500 page document, it says that the differential voltage used for 10BASE-T should be 2.2-2.8volts. Does this mean the peak to peak voltage of the Manchester coded signal will be 4.4-5.6v or just 2.2-2.8v? Cheers, Ralph On Nov 8 2004, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 10:44:53PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > > Dobry den, sorry to reply to this list. Is there any way I can receive > > just English emails? I don't know much Czech you see. > > I don't know - maybe using a bayesian filter from Spamassassin? I would > like more if everyone spoke English too, but can you explain the Czechs > somehow that they should learn English, because it's a world language in > technical fields? > > Cl< > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ralph > > > > > > On Nov 8 2004, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >Hello > > > > > > Is here anyone with any opinion on possible licensing Ronja under > > > FDL? There have been severe disputes over FDL's freeness in Debian > > > community. What's your opinion on the matter whether licensing Ronja > > > under FDL will enforce releasing schematics only in "transparent > > > formats", or even possibly forcing PCB's derived from schematics to > > > be released only in "transparent formats"? > > > > > > Is anyone holding an opinion here that the whole copyright matter is > > > just a piece of shit and information just wants to be free? > > > > > > Reading the disputes I got a feeling that the license grounds aroung > > > GPL and FDL are likely to become messy minefields soon, regarding for > > > example issues around validity of GPL and FDL in Czech Republic or > > > mutual incompatibility between FDL and GPL. > > > > > >Cl< > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Tue Nov 9 17:58:16 2004 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Tue Nov 9 17:58:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Purpose of 74HC4040 and 74HC133 in twister?? Message-ID: <4366.172.31.16.142.1100023096.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hello there, Can anyone explain the functional purpose of two 74HC4040's and two 74HC133's combined in Twister? I try to work this out but still not sure about their functionalities... Thanks in advance for the answers Ton ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 9 20:30:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 9 20:30:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <20041108230405.GC4394@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041109203041.GA11960@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 02:11:19PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > Hi Guys. With regards the licensing, I suggest that if you ever intend to > make a living off Ronja, keep the 10Mbit/s version open source but keep all > details of any improved designs to yourself so that you may make money off > them. This has an obvious and fatal disadvantage - Ronja would become a stock solution without anything particular, very probably an inferior design compared to the best ones on the current (proprietary) market. I think that Linux if it should be proprietary system would also be a washout. At least regarding the horrible (more precisely said, none ;-) ) specification it comes with ;-) The propriety called "freedom" seems to be a pretty fundamental value for me. See Ronja project philosophy in http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php Any known argument to refute my reasoning? > > I am confused about the ethernet spec. In the 803.2 1500 page document, it > says that the differential voltage used for 10BASE-T should be > 2.2-2.8volts. Does this mean the peak to peak voltage of the Manchester Differential voltage is voltage on the "+" wire minus the voltage on the "-" wire. IIRC, they say, that the maximum absolute value of differential voltage should be 2.2-2.8V, i.e. 4.4-5.6pp of the differential voltage Cl< > coded signal will be 4.4-5.6v or just 2.2-2.8v? > > Cheers, > > Ralph > > > > On Nov 8 2004, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 10:44:53PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > >> Dobry den, sorry to reply to this list. Is there any way I can receive > >> just English emails? I don't know much Czech you see. > > > >I don't know - maybe using a bayesian filter from Spamassassin? I would > >like more if everyone spoke English too, but can you explain the Czechs > >somehow that they should learn English, because it's a world language in > >technical fields? > > > >Cl< > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Ralph > >> > >> > >> On Nov 8 2004, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >> >Hello > >> > > >> > Is here anyone with any opinion on possible licensing Ronja under > >> > FDL? There have been severe disputes over FDL's freeness in Debian > >> > community. What's your opinion on the matter whether licensing Ronja > >> > under FDL will enforce releasing schematics only in "transparent > >> > formats", or even possibly forcing PCB's derived from schematics to > >> > be released only in "transparent formats"? > >> > > >> > Is anyone holding an opinion here that the whole copyright matter is > >> > just a piece of shit and information just wants to be free? > >> > > >> > Reading the disputes I got a feeling that the license grounds aroung > >> > GPL and FDL are likely to become messy minefields soon, regarding for > >> > example issues around validity of GPL and FDL in Czech Republic or > >> > mutual incompatibility between FDL and GPL. > >> > > >> >Cl< > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >Ronja mailing list > >> >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 9 20:37:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 9 20:37:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Purpose of 74HC4040 and 74HC133 in twister?? In-Reply-To: <4366.172.31.16.142.1100023096.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <4366.172.31.16.142.1100023096.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20041109203704.GB11960@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 12:58:16AM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hello there, > > Can anyone explain the functional purpose of two 74HC4040's and two > 74HC133's combined in Twister? I try to work this out but still not sure > about their functionalities... The purpose is to generate link integrity impulses. Link integrity impulses are just an additional bureaucracy imposed by IEEE802.3 standard without which the network cards refuses to transmit even if otherwise perfect data come in. If IEEE didn't come with link integrity impulses, Twister could be simpler by at least these chips. Without the link integrity impulses the Ethernet would work too. Conrad Hermes, Bureaucrat. ;-) Cl< > > Thanks in advance for the answers > > Ton > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This email was sent using SquirrelMail. > https://front.psu.ac.th/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From shamanu8 at web.de Wed Nov 3 11:22:44 2004 From: shamanu8 at web.de (shamanu8@web.de) Date: Wed Nov 10 11:22:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Sourcing component problem. In-Reply-To: <20041108155223.GD2449@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041107145916.GA8065@beton.cybernet.src> <20041108155223.GD2449@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4188BF84.1020207@web.de> Hi, i'm make now my new Ronja Twister on PCB. Is it ok to use Sockets for the IC's or is it recommed to connect them directly? Anyone who got problems with the IC's over Socket? Marcel From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Nov 10 11:52:29 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Nov 10 11:46:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <20041109133108.GA10651@beton.cybernet.src> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> <200411091220.05372.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20041109133108.GA10651@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200411101252.30230.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Muzes prosim te umistit nekam ten malinky obrazek schematu toho oscilatoru? ja to teda na tu wiki umistim, i kdyz me to stoji obrovske sebezapreni. :-) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: osc.png Type: image/png Size: 3088 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041110/122c8ee0/osc-0001.png From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Nov 10 11:55:24 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Nov 10 11:48:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <200411101252.30230.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> <20041109133108.GA10651@beton.cybernet.src> <200411101252.30230.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <200411101255.24250.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Oooops, tohle melo jit primo Clockovi. Omlouvam se. Dne st 10. listopadu 2004 12:52 Petr Zapadlo napsal(a): > Muzes prosim te umistit nekam ten malinky obrazek schematu toho oscilatoru? > ja to teda na tu wiki umistim, i kdyz me to stoji obrovske sebezapreni. :-) > > > > S pozdravem S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From kendy at hkfree.org Wed Nov 10 23:57:32 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Wed Nov 10 23:57:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Sestaveni a otestovani RX TX Twister In-Reply-To: <200411101255.24250.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> <20041109133108.GA10651@beton.cybernet.src> <200411101252.30230.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200411101255.24250.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <4192AAEC.6060104@hkfree.org> Sedim nad tim od 6 vecera , testuju zkousim vse vypada normalne ale nevede se. Twister zda se byt ok. Loop back test vypada ok - duplikuji se pakety. Pokud vypnu loop prepinac a spojim vystup z twisteru TX se vstupem RX, tak take pakety chodi 2x. Rikam si twister asi jede(kdyz to pisou v navodu, tak na to pripojim TX modul. Po jeho pripojeni se TX rozsviti na stalo... Je to OK ???? Pripojim RX, vse omerim, hodnoty sou z 99% stejny jako ty ve schematu. Namirim ho proti TX a hle RSSI mi vylitlo na 4.05V, zakryvam diodu a RSSI klesa... , takze to je asi taky dobry. Pripojim tedy vystup RX do Twisteru, zkusim ping jestli zdvoujuje pakety a ani houbelec. Nezdvoji to ani jeden paket... uz si nevim rady kam se zamerit :(((( Vim ze sem sem nenapsal mnoho informaci, ale snad me bude alespon stacit, kdyz me nekdo nasmeruje treba na Q2 v modulu RX.... Diky predem za kazdy nazor !! Kendy HKfree From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 11 08:13:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Nov 11 08:13:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Sestaveni a otestovani RX TX Twister In-Reply-To: <4192AAEC.6060104@hkfree.org> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> <20041109133108.GA10651@beton.cybernet.src> <200411101252.30230.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200411101255.24250.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <4192AAEC.6060104@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20041111081336.GA5634@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:57:32AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Sedim nad tim od 6 vecera , testuju zkousim vse vypada normalne ale > nevede se. > > Twister zda se byt ok. Loop back test vypada ok - duplikuji se pakety. > Pokud vypnu loop prepinac a spojim vystup z twisteru TX se vstupem RX, > tak take pakety chodi 2x. > Rikam si twister asi jede(kdyz to pisou v navodu, tak na to pripojim TX > modul. > Po jeho pripojeni se TX rozsviti na stalo... Je to OK ???? Jestli myslis tu vykonovou LED, tak jo, jestli kontrolku TX na twisteru, tak ne (pokud tam netece staly proud dat). > > Pripojim RX, vse omerim, hodnoty sou z 99% stejny jako ty ve schematu. > Namirim ho proti TX a hle RSSI mi vylitlo na 4.05V, zakryvam diodu a > RSSI klesa... , takze to je asi taky dobry. Pripojim tedy vystup RX do > Twisteru, zkusim ping jestli zdvoujuje pakety a ani houbelec. Nezdvoji > to ani jeden paket... uz si nevim rady kam se zamerit :(((( Zkus to dat aby na RSSI nebylo 4V ale treba jen 1.5V Je to na vrabcim hnizde podle navodu nebo nejaky tistaky? Cl< > > > Vim ze sem sem nenapsal mnoho informaci, ale snad me bude alespon > stacit, kdyz me nekdo nasmeruje treba na Q2 v modulu RX.... > > > Diky predem za kazdy nazor !! > > > Kendy > HKfree > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kendy at hkfree.org Thu Nov 11 08:28:08 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Thu Nov 11 08:37:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Sestaveni a otestovani RX TX Twister References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp><20041109133108.GA10651@beton.cybernet.src><200411101252.30230.zapadlo@melzer.cz><200411101255.24250.zapadlo@melzer.cz><4192AAEC.6060104@hkfree.org> <20041111081336.GA5634@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001801c4c7c8$60f25f60$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Ano myslim vykonovou led. Twisteru sviti jen zluta dioda a kdyz ho na vystupu propojim (RX hned do TX - primo na twisteru) tak pri posilani paketu blikaji diody obe - cervena a zelena (jinak nesviti pri necinnosti). A dle testu na twibright strankach se pakety zdvojuji. RX TX jsou na vrabcim hnizdu, zkousel sem zakrytovat a taky bez efektu. Dnes si vyrobim delsi kabely, tak abych mel moduly od sebe dal ---> RSSI mensi. Jeste sem provedl dalsi mereni a to uz tedy nevim jestli mam spravne hodnoty nebo ne. (vse na RX a merim zatim jen DC slozky). Merici bod P104 ma mit 5-6V kdyz neni zadny signal z TX (TX nesviti) nebo ma mit 5-6V pri signalu (TX sviti na RX) ? Protoze kdyz dam 1K odpor (na P104) na +, tak bez signalu mam 5.5V a pri namireni sviticiho TXka mi P104 klesne asi na 4.1V (to je OK ?? nebo si to ma drzet stale 5-6V ??) Nebo ma mit P104 5-6V pri signalu ze sviticiho TX?? (bez signalu tam mam temer 7V s odporem 560ohm) . Ted nevim ktera varianta je spravna. Jeste jeden dotaz: ta tabulka DC hodnot ve schematu je jen pri zapnutem napajeni - tj. bez signalu (klidovy stav) nebo to je tabulka hodnot, ktere maji mit merici body kdyz na RXko sviti TXko ??? Diky za odpovedi. Zatim hledam v mail listu, ale je tak velmi dlouhy a rozsahly, ze urcite mnou popisovane divy / vady tam nekde v tech prispevcich treba sou, ale zatim sem se tim neprokousal az na konec... Diky Kendy HKfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Sestaveni a otestovani RX TX Twister > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:57:32AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > > Sedim nad tim od 6 vecera , testuju zkousim vse vypada normalne ale > > nevede se. > > > > Twister zda se byt ok. Loop back test vypada ok - duplikuji se pakety. > > Pokud vypnu loop prepinac a spojim vystup z twisteru TX se vstupem RX, > > tak take pakety chodi 2x. > > Rikam si twister asi jede(kdyz to pisou v navodu, tak na to pripojim TX > > modul. > > Po jeho pripojeni se TX rozsviti na stalo... Je to OK ???? > > Jestli myslis tu vykonovou LED, tak jo, jestli kontrolku TX na twisteru, > tak ne (pokud tam netece staly proud dat). > > > > > Pripojim RX, vse omerim, hodnoty sou z 99% stejny jako ty ve schematu. > > Namirim ho proti TX a hle RSSI mi vylitlo na 4.05V, zakryvam diodu a > > RSSI klesa... , takze to je asi taky dobry. Pripojim tedy vystup RX do > > Twisteru, zkusim ping jestli zdvoujuje pakety a ani houbelec. Nezdvoji > > to ani jeden paket... uz si nevim rady kam se zamerit :(((( > > Zkus to dat aby na RSSI nebylo 4V ale treba jen 1.5V > Je to na vrabcim hnizde podle navodu nebo nejaky tistaky? > > Cl< > > > > > > Vim ze sem sem nenapsal mnoho informaci, ale snad me bude alespon > > stacit, kdyz me nekdo nasmeruje treba na Q2 v modulu RX.... > > > > > > Diky predem za kazdy nazor !! > > > > > > Kendy > > HKfree > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From daniel_i at desarrollohumano.gba.gov.ar Thu Nov 11 12:29:21 2004 From: daniel_i at desarrollohumano.gba.gov.ar (Daniel Digiano) Date: Thu Nov 11 12:33:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] help me Message-ID: <001201c4c7ea$13681740$2435a8c0@conflia.gba.gov.ar> Dear friends: Them agradeceria that envien the direction to me of mail of algun project ronja in Spain. that this in operation. from already thank you very much. Daniel Digiano Argentina -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041111/8feff20c/attachment.htm From root at laserlink.org Thu Nov 11 13:09:06 2004 From: root at laserlink.org (root@laserlink.org) Date: Thu Nov 11 13:09:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] help me References: <001201c4c7ea$13681740$2435a8c0@conflia.gba.gov.ar> Message-ID: <001801c4c7ef$ad597a10$2101a8c0@SERGIO> http://www.lazerlink.ru/1/sergey/temp/instal2.jpg Buenos-Aires,Argentina Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Digiano To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: [Ronja] help me Dear friends: Them agradeceria that envien the direction to me of mail of algun project ronja in Spain. that this in operation. from already thank you very much. Daniel Digiano Argentina ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041111/13efcd9c/attachment.htm From kero at matfyz.cz Thu Nov 11 17:35:59 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Thu Nov 11 17:51:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 Message-ID: <4193A2FF.8060305@matfyz.cz> Stane se neco strasneho, pokud jsou C54 a C55 na PCB, ale U68 pripojim na kabliku? Nechal jsem si to spajet a bohuzel jsou na desce (proc jsou tam na ne vybec piny, mozna ze v nove revizi uz ne) a ja nemam doma pajku, kterou by se to pri odpajeni neznicilo. Kero From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 11 17:58:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Nov 11 17:58:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 In-Reply-To: <4193A2FF.8060305@matfyz.cz> References: <4193A2FF.8060305@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <20041111175844.GA8521@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 06:35:59PM +0100, Kero wrote: > Stane se neco strasneho, pokud jsou C54 a C55 na PCB, ale U68 pripojim na > kabliku? Nechal jsem si to spajet a bohuzel jsou na desce (proc jsou tam na Muze se pak stat, ze si to za 2 mesice vzpomene a na strese se ten stabilizator rozkmita a prestane to chodit (nebo teoreticky by to ty svaby i mohlo oddelat :D ) Cl< > ne vybec piny, mozna ze v nove revizi uz ne) a ja nemam doma pajku, kterou > by se to pri odpajeni neznicilo. > Kero > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Thu Nov 11 19:11:42 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Thu Nov 11 19:11:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 In-Reply-To: <4193A2FF.8060305@matfyz.cz> References: <4193A2FF.8060305@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <20041111191141.GA2092@feanor> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 06:35:59PM +0100, Kero wrote: > ne vybec piny, mozna ze v nove revizi uz ne) a ja nemam doma pajku, kterou > by se to pri odpajeni neznicilo. Tak to muzes vystipnout nejakyma klestickama. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041111/cf5aaf58/attachment.bin From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Nov 11 20:33:53 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Nov 11 20:34:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 In-Reply-To: <20041111191141.GA2092@feanor> References: <4193A2FF.8060305@matfyz.cz> <20041111191141.GA2092@feanor> Message-ID: <1100205233.4193ccb1d07ec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> V blizkosti vystupu stabilizatoru 78xx nema keramicky kondenzator mensi nez 100n co pohledavat. Pokud ho tam nekdo cpe, tak riskuje zakmitavani. > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 06:35:59PM +0100, Kero wrote: > > ne vybec piny, mozna ze v nove revizi uz ne) a ja nemam doma pajku, kterou > > > by se to pri odpajeni neznicilo. > > Tak to muzes vystipnout nejakyma klestickama. > > -- > Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > > Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: > santiago@njs.netlab.cz) > OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) > "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > From pasan at stonline.sk Thu Nov 11 21:22:39 2004 From: pasan at stonline.sk (V.R.) Date: Thu Nov 11 21:22:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Lupa??? Message-ID: <000f01c4c834$96442740$979351d5@repa> Mam jednu otazku ohladom lupy. Chcem lupit 130mm lupy a jedine co som u nas (v SR) od cinancov nasiel su sice 130mm ale z jednej strany je lupa vypukla a z druhej ploska (rovna). Je mozna pouzit aj takuto lupu pri RX TX alebo v tom je problem (bude inac zaostrovat luc nez oboj vypukla alebo ho nezaostri vobec?-nemal som to ako vyskusat lebo predavac mi nechcel lupu dovolit vybalit z igelitu) Este jedna vec ked chcem dosiahnut s ronjou okolo 1,4km je nutne pouzit lupy 130mm s 295mm ohniskovou vzdialenostou, nebolo by mozne pouzit lupu s 295mm ohnisk.vzdial ale s priemerom mensim, co ja viem 90mm? Proste od ktoreho faktoru zavisi dosah ronje od priemeru alebo od ohniskovej vzdialenosti? (alebo od obidvoch) -=x=- Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041111/ee3d2dfc/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 11 22:02:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Nov 11 22:02:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] New autogeneration system for schematic output files Message-ID: <20041111220235.GA13689@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have remade the schematic ouput files autogeneration system completely so that now all combinations of B/W, colour, ps, ps.gz, pdf, dark, light, and small schematic files are available and the online PNG files are in colour again. Cl< From kero at matfyz.cz Thu Nov 11 22:25:47 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Thu Nov 11 22:31:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 In-Reply-To: <1100205233.4193ccb1d07ec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <4193A2FF.8060305@matfyz.cz> <20041111191141.GA2092@feanor> <1100205233.4193ccb1d07ec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <4193E6EB.3090003@matfyz.cz> Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > V blizkosti vystupu stabilizatoru 78xx nema keramicky kondenzator mensi nez 100n > co pohledavat. Pokud ho tam nekdo cpe, tak riskuje zakmitavani. > Huh? clock rika, ze pokud to dam na kablik=dal od vystupu, tak se to rozkmita >Muze se pak stat, ze si to za 2 mesice vzpomene a na strese se ten stabilizator >rozkmita a prestane to chodit (nebo teoreticky by to ty svaby i mohlo >oddelat :D ) > > Cl< a ty, ze ty, ze pokud dam keramicky kondik (coz jsou asi ty, ktere mam) <= 100n blizko toho 78xx (coz pripajeni na pin asi bude) tak to bude kmitat. Ale ty klesticky me nenapadly, diky Kero From maco at host.sk Thu Nov 11 22:53:06 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Nov 11 22:53:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Lupa??? In-Reply-To: <000f01c4c834$96442740$979351d5@repa> References: <000f01c4c834$96442740$979351d5@repa> Message-ID: <4193ED52.5030800@host.sk> Cim vacsia vzdialenost tym potrebujes koncentrovat do RX diody intenzivnejsie svetlo, preto potrebujes velku lupu. Nie je to otazka ohniskovej vzdialenosti, ale priemeru aby si koncentroval svetlo z co najvacsej plochy na kt. svetlo dopada. V podstate je uplne jedno aku lupu mas, hlavne aby mala nejaku rozumnu konstrukcnu ohniskovu vzdialenost a velky priemer. Ked bude mat ohniskovu vzdialenost 2 metre tak sa ti mechanika bude robit znacne komplikovane :). Samorejme plastove lupy napr nie su vhodne hlavne koli zlym reakciam na rozne poveternostne podmienky a (podla mna) nepolarizuju svetlo na co ma ostatni odpisali, ze je to blbost, ale ja som o tom stale presveceny :) Marcel Hecko aka maco V.R. wrote: > Mam jednu otazku ohladom lupy. > > Chcem lupit 130mm lupy a jedine co som u nas (v SR) od cinancov nasiel > su sice 130mm ale z jednej strany je lupa vypukla a z druhej ploska > (rovna). Je mozna pouzit aj takuto lupu pri RX TX alebo v tom je > problem (bude inac zaostrovat luc nez oboj vypukla alebo ho nezaostri > vobec?-nemal som to ako vyskusat lebo predavac mi nechcel lupu dovolit > vybalit z igelitu) > > Este jedna vec ked chcem dosiahnut s ronjou okolo 1,4km je nutne > pouzit lupy 130mm s 295mm ohniskovou vzdialenostou, nebolo by mozne > pouzit lupu s 295mm ohnisk.vzdial ale s priemerom mensim, co ja viem 90mm? > Proste od ktoreho faktoru zavisi dosah ronje od priemeru alebo od > ohniskovej vzdialenosti? (alebo od obidvoch) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -=x=- > Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 > > > __________ NOD32 1.920 (20041110) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >__________ NOD32 1.920 (20041110) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Nov 12 09:03:36 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Fri Nov 12 09:03:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 References: <4193A2FF.8060305@matfyz.cz> <20041111191141.GA2092@feanor><1100205233.4193ccb1d07ec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <4193E6EB.3090003@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <003201c4c896$7eee90f0$0103450a@thechosen> proste primo u svaba blokovaci kondiky 100n, ty 10n nebo min nedavat, stejne tam jsou zbytecne i jinde u IO, tot muj nazor, nic nefitrujou jen pokrejvaj spotrebu io pri preklapeni ve spickach, to ty 1n stejne neobslouzej, ale nevim, treba mi to nekdo vyvrati. Glo > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > > V blizkosti vystupu stabilizatoru 78xx nema keramicky kondenzator mensi nez 100n > > co pohledavat. Pokud ho tam nekdo cpe, tak riskuje zakmitavani. > > > > Huh? > clock rika, ze pokud to dam na kablik=dal od vystupu, tak se to rozkmita > >Muze se pak stat, ze si to za 2 mesice vzpomene a na strese se ten stabilizator > >rozkmita a prestane to chodit (nebo teoreticky by to ty svaby i mohlo > >oddelat :D ) > > > > Cl< > > a ty, ze ty, ze pokud dam keramicky kondik (coz jsou asi ty, ktere mam) <= 100n > blizko toho 78xx (coz pripajeni na pin asi bude) tak to bude kmitat. > > Ale ty klesticky me nenapadly, diky > > Kero From zapadlo at melzer.cz Fri Nov 12 11:49:26 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Fri Nov 12 11:49:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <200411101255.24250.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> <200411101252.30230.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200411101255.24250.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <200411121249.26338.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Posilam fotku provedeni nahrady oscilatoru a schematko http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/osc http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM4443 S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From zapadlo at melzer.cz Fri Nov 12 11:59:29 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Fri Nov 12 11:59:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <200411121249.26338.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> <200411101255.24250.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200411121249.26338.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <200411121259.29656.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne p? 12. listopadu 2004 12:49 Petr Zapadlo napsal(a): > Posilam fotku provedeni nahrady oscilatoru a schematko > > http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/osc > http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM4443 Doplnuji: http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM4437 S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From kendy at hkfree.org Fri Nov 12 12:21:57 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Fri Nov 12 12:33:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister Message-ID: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Je mozne ze nezakrytovane twistery , ktere sou mezi sebou propojeny zpusobuji packetloss (cca 30%) na std. velikosti pingu a kdyz dam -s 1480 tak se uplne odpoji sitova karta (hlasi no link) a ping neprojde ani jeden... , po killnuti toho velkeho pingu zase link ok. Je mozne ze to je nejake ruseni, ktere zakrytovanim zmizi ? Kendy HKfree From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Nov 12 13:29:20 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Fri Nov 12 13:29:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister References: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Message-ID: <001701c4c8bb$9dfd4fc0$0103450a@thechosen> tezko, bezi nam 8 nezakrytovanych twisteru na streschach a zadnej packet loss. ale mzone je vsechno Glo > Je mozne ze nezakrytovane twistery , ktere sou mezi sebou propojeny > zpusobuji packetloss (cca 30%) na std. velikosti pingu a kdyz dam -s 1480 > tak se uplne odpoji sitova karta (hlasi no link) a ping neprojde ani > jeden... , po killnuti toho velkeho pingu zase link ok. > > Je mozne ze to je nejake ruseni, ktere zakrytovanim zmizi ? > > > > Kendy > HKfree > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kneza at poupe.net Fri Nov 12 13:30:59 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Fri Nov 12 13:31:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister In-Reply-To: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> References: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Message-ID: <4194BB13.5070703@poupe.net> Mame na strechach 2 nezakrytovany twistery a bez nejmensich problemu. Kneza Kendy wrote: > Je mozne ze nezakrytovane twistery , ktere sou mezi sebou propojeny > zpusobuji packetloss (cca 30%) na std. velikosti pingu a kdyz dam -s 1480 > tak se uplne odpoji sitova karta (hlasi no link) a ping neprojde ani > jeden... , po killnuti toho velkeho pingu zase link ok. > > Je mozne ze to je nejake ruseni, ktere zakrytovanim zmizi ? > > > > Kendy > HKfree > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kendy at hkfree.org Fri Nov 12 15:01:13 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Fri Nov 12 15:01:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister References: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> <4194BB13.5070703@poupe.net> Message-ID: <002401c4c8c8$83ea47c0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> No ja to mam ted cerstve sprovozneny a mam to jen dva twistery proti sobe napojeny jen "obyc" dratky, takze sem predpokladal ze to chyta ten pocitacovej bordel co je ve vzduchu...... Nekdo ma taky dobry zkusenosti s twisterama volne lozenyma na stole ??? Kendy HKfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister > Mame na strechach 2 nezakrytovany twistery a bez nejmensich problemu. > Kneza > > Kendy wrote: > > Je mozne ze nezakrytovane twistery , ktere sou mezi sebou propojeny > > zpusobuji packetloss (cca 30%) na std. velikosti pingu a kdyz dam -s 1480 > > tak se uplne odpoji sitova karta (hlasi no link) a ping neprojde ani > > jeden... , po killnuti toho velkeho pingu zase link ok. > > > > Je mozne ze to je nejake ruseni, ktere zakrytovanim zmizi ? > > > > > > > > Kendy > > HKfree > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Nov 12 15:26:42 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Nov 12 15:26:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 References: <4193A2FF.8060305@matfyz.cz><20041111191141.GA2092@feanor><1100205233.4193ccb1d07ec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><4193E6EB.3090003@matfyz.cz> <003201c4c896$7eee90f0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <004401c4c8cc$034edc80$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> to tam nen? kvuli kapacite, ale kvuli tomu, ze ten 100n kond?k nen? zrovna ide?ln? a m? nejak? odpor a indukcnost .. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malusek" To: ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 > proste primo u svaba blokovaci kondiky 100n, ty 10n nebo min nedavat, stejne > tam jsou zbytecne i jinde u IO, tot muj nazor, nic nefitrujou jen pokrejvaj > spotrebu io pri preklapeni ve spickach, to ty 1n stejne neobslouzej, ale > nevim, treba mi to nekdo vyvrati. > > Glo > > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > > > V blizkosti vystupu stabilizatoru 78xx nema keramicky kondenzator mensi > nez 100n > > > co pohledavat. Pokud ho tam nekdo cpe, tak riskuje zakmitavani. > > > > > > > Huh? > > clock rika, ze pokud to dam na kablik=dal od vystupu, tak se to rozkmita > > >Muze se pak stat, ze si to za 2 mesice vzpomene a na strese se ten > stabilizator > > >rozkmita a prestane to chodit (nebo teoreticky by to ty svaby i mohlo > > >oddelat :D ) > > > > > > Cl< > > > > a ty, ze ty, ze pokud dam keramicky kondik (coz jsou asi ty, ktere mam) <= > 100n > > blizko toho 78xx (coz pripajeni na pin asi bude) tak to bude kmitat. > > > > Ale ty klesticky me nenapadly, diky > > > > Kero > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Nov 12 15:29:44 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Nov 12 15:29:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister References: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk><4194BB13.5070703@poupe.net> <002401c4c8c8$83ea47c0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Message-ID: <005601c4c8cc$6fd489e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> pokud jsem ty twistery m?l propojen? jen k?bl?k?ma na stole, tak to skoro nejelo pokud jsem dal p?lmetrov? koaxy, tak v pohod? Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister > No ja to mam ted cerstve sprovozneny a mam to jen dva twistery proti sobe > napojeny jen "obyc" dratky, takze sem predpokladal ze to chyta ten > pocitacovej bordel co je ve vzduchu...... > > Nekdo ma taky dobry zkusenosti s twisterama volne lozenyma na stole ??? > > > Kendy > HKfree > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister > > > > Mame na strechach 2 nezakrytovany twistery a bez nejmensich problemu. > > Kneza > > > > Kendy wrote: > > > Je mozne ze nezakrytovane twistery , ktere sou mezi sebou propojeny > > > zpusobuji packetloss (cca 30%) na std. velikosti pingu a kdyz dam -s > 1480 > > > tak se uplne odpoji sitova karta (hlasi no link) a ping neprojde ani > > > jeden... , po killnuti toho velkeho pingu zase link ok. > > > > > > Je mozne ze to je nejake ruseni, ktere zakrytovanim zmizi ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Kendy > > > HKfree > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Fri Nov 12 15:35:43 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (kucik@net22.cz) Date: Fri Nov 12 15:37:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Lupa??? In-Reply-To: <4193ED52.5030800@host.sk> References: <000f01c4c834$96442740$979351d5@repa> <000f01c4c834$96442740$979351d5@repa> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041112161158.02463770@mail.net22.cz> At 23:53 11.11.2004 +0100, you wrote: >Cim vacsia vzdialenost tym potrebujes koncentrovat do RX diody >intenzivnejsie svetlo, preto potrebujes velku lupu. Nie je to otazka >ohniskovej vzdialenosti, ale priemeru aby si koncentroval svetlo z co >najvacsej plochy na kt. svetlo dopada. > >V podstate je uplne jedno aku lupu mas, hlavne aby mala nejaku rozumnu >konstrukcnu ohniskovu vzdialenost a velky priemer. Ked bude mat ohniskovu >vzdialenost 2 metre tak sa ti mechanika bude robit znacne komplikovane :). S ohniskovou vzdalenosti to myslim neni tak docela pravda. Potrebujes ziskat co mozna nejvic z toho co ta ledka vyzari (a samozrejme z toho musis udelat co mozna nejostrejsi kuzel, ktery se bude co nejvice podobat valci :)) a pokud budes mit ohniskovou vzdalenost 2m, muzes mit cocku velkou treba 200mm ale dopadne ti na ni minimum svetla z ledky. Takze uhel zaberu te lupy je dan 2*(tg(d/(2*f))). Jinak plastove cocce bych taky neveril. Jestli rikam blbosti tak me opravte > Samorejme plastove lupy napr nie su vhodne hlavne koli zlym reakciam na > rozne poveternostne podmienky a (podla mna) nepolarizuju svetlo na co ma > ostatni odpisali, ze je to blbost, ale ja som o tom stale presveceny :) Svetlo muzes polarizovat nejakm smerem:). Jakym smerem by ho ta cocka polarizovala kdyz je kruhova? A proc bys potreboval polarizovany svetlo? Leda ze od sebe chces oddelit dve ronji co sviti naprosto stejnym smerem. >Marcel Hecko >aka maco > >V.R. wrote: > >>Mam jednu otazku ohladom lupy. >> >>Chcem lupit 130mm lupy a jedine co som u nas (v SR) od cinancov nasiel su >>sice 130mm ale z jednej strany je lupa vypukla a z druhej ploska (rovna). >>Je mozna pouzit aj takuto lupu pri RX TX alebo v tom je problem (bude >>inac zaostrovat luc nez oboj vypukla alebo ho nezaostri vobec?-nemal som >>to ako vyskusat lebo predavac mi nechcel lupu dovolit vybalit z igelitu) >> >>Este jedna vec ked chcem dosiahnut s ronjou okolo 1,4km je nutne pouzit >>lupy 130mm s 295mm ohniskovou vzdialenostou, nebolo by mozne pouzit lupu >>s 295mm ohnisk.vzdial ale s priemerom mensim, co ja viem 90mm? >>Proste od ktoreho faktoru zavisi dosah ronje od priemeru alebo od >>ohniskovej vzdialenosti? (alebo od obidvoch) >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>-=x=- >>Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 >> >> >>__________ NOD32 1.920 (20041110) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.nod32.com >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >>__________ NOD32 1.920 (20041110) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.nod32.com >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Nov 12 16:51:48 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Fri Nov 12 16:51:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 References: <4193A2FF.8060305@matfyz.cz><20041111191141.GA2092@feanor><1100205233.4193ccb1d07ec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz><4193E6EB.3090003@matfyz.cz><003201c4c896$7eee90f0$0103450a@thechosen> <004401c4c8cc$034edc80$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <001d01c4c8d7$e6e46c70$0103450a@thechosen> to jo jen jde o to jestli tomu ten 1n pomuze glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 to tam nen? kvuli kapacite, ale kvuli tomu, ze ten 100n kond?k nen? zrovna ide?ln? a m? nejak? odpor a indukcnost .. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malusek" To: ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 > proste primo u svaba blokovaci kondiky 100n, ty 10n nebo min nedavat, stejne > tam jsou zbytecne i jinde u IO, tot muj nazor, nic nefitrujou jen pokrejvaj > spotrebu io pri preklapeni ve spickach, to ty 1n stejne neobslouzej, ale > nevim, treba mi to nekdo vyvrati. > > Glo > > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): > > > V blizkosti vystupu stabilizatoru 78xx nema keramicky kondenzator mensi > nez 100n > > > co pohledavat. Pokud ho tam nekdo cpe, tak riskuje zakmitavani. > > > > > > > Huh? > > clock rika, ze pokud to dam na kablik=dal od vystupu, tak se to rozkmita > > >Muze se pak stat, ze si to za 2 mesice vzpomene a na strese se ten > stabilizator > > >rozkmita a prestane to chodit (nebo teoreticky by to ty svaby i mohlo > > >oddelat :D ) > > > > > > Cl< > > > > a ty, ze ty, ze pokud dam keramicky kondik (coz jsou asi ty, ktere mam) <= > 100n > > blizko toho 78xx (coz pripajeni na pin asi bude) tak to bude kmitat. > > > > Ale ty klesticky me nenapadly, diky > > > > Kero > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Fri Nov 12 17:11:41 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Fri Nov 12 17:11:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister In-Reply-To: <005601c4c8cc$6fd489e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk><4194BB13.5070703@poupe.net> <002401c4c8c8$83ea47c0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> <005601c4c8cc$6fd489e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <4194EECD.1050503@sattnet.cz> Me stacilo vzit twistovanou dvoulinku, pripojit na to na twistera (rx,tx) a druhy konec volny a chovalo se to jako loopback :-D . Cipis napsal(a): >pokud jsem ty twistery m?l propojen? jen k?bl?k?ma na stole, tak to skoro >nejelo >pokud jsem dal p?lmetrov? koaxy, tak v pohod? > >Cipis > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kendy" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 4:01 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister > > > > >>No ja to mam ted cerstve sprovozneny a mam to jen dva twistery proti sobe >>napojeny jen "obyc" dratky, takze sem predpokladal ze to chyta ten >>pocitacovej bordel co je ve vzduchu...... >> >>Nekdo ma taky dobry zkusenosti s twisterama volne lozenyma na stole ??? >> >> >>Kendy >>HKfree >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Michal Knezourek" >>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 2:30 PM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister >> >> >> >> >>>Mame na strechach 2 nezakrytovany twistery a bez nejmensich problemu. >>>Kneza >>> >>>Kendy wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Je mozne ze nezakrytovane twistery , ktere sou mezi sebou propojeny >>>>zpusobuji packetloss (cca 30%) na std. velikosti pingu a kdyz dam -s >>>> >>>> >>1480 >> >> >>>>tak se uplne odpoji sitova karta (hlasi no link) a ping neprojde ani >>>>jeden... , po killnuti toho velkeho pingu zase link ok. >>>> >>>>Je mozne ze to je nejake ruseni, ktere zakrytovanim zmizi ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Kendy >>>>HKfree >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From kendy at hkfree.org Fri Nov 12 17:20:48 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Fri Nov 12 17:20:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX modul NE592 a jeho nezapojene vyvody Message-ID: <4194F0F0.8030506@hkfree.org> Ve schematu je ze nezapojene vyvody 2,6,9,13 se maji pripojit na GND -> ok. Ale bude nejaky problem kdyz i vyvody 3 a 12 budou take na zem napojene ? Ma to nekdo tak zapojeno ? V PDF k 592 jsou tyto dva vyvody oznaceny jako NC, takze by to snad vadit nemelo ... Nebo opak je pravdou ?? Kendy HKfree From karel.obadal at ido.cz Fri Nov 12 18:34:48 2004 From: karel.obadal at ido.cz (Karel Obadal) Date: Fri Nov 12 17:28:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister In-Reply-To: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> References: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Message-ID: <41950248.20905@ido.cz> Na zakrytovani bych to nevidel. Mam je nezakrytovane asi 10cm od sebe a bezi jak naprimo tak i s RX a TX. Ale to je jen muj poznatek z praxe. Obdobny problem jsem mel pri prehozenych odporech, ale uz nevim kterych :-( k. Kendy wrote: > Je mozne ze nezakrytovane twistery , ktere sou mezi sebou propojeny > zpusobuji packetloss (cca 30%) na std. velikosti pingu a kdyz dam -s 1480 > tak se uplne odpoji sitova karta (hlasi no link) a ping neprojde ani > jeden... , po killnuti toho velkeho pingu zase link ok. > > Je mozne ze to je nejake ruseni, ktere zakrytovanim zmizi ? > > > > Kendy > HKfree > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Karel Obadal MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. Skolni 1729/IV 755 01 Vsetin Tel: 571 414 245 GSM: 608 720 533 Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. From kendy at hkfree.org Fri Nov 12 17:58:22 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Fri Nov 12 17:58:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister In-Reply-To: <41950248.20905@ido.cz> References: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> <41950248.20905@ido.cz> Message-ID: <4194F9BE.3050803@hkfree.org> On ten PL neni pravidelny. Treba projde bez problemu 60 paketu, a pak 4 vypadnou, 3 projdou ,6 vypadne, 30 projde , 2 vypadnou... Neni to uplne pravidelny PL. Uz mam material na krabicky, takze budu vyrabet krabicky a pak se uvidi. Cim ty mas (mel si) propojene oba twistery ? Nejakym koaxem ? Ja je propojil jen dvoudratem (ustipl sem z rozbiteho bedny od compu ten drat co na nem je dioda na prednim panelu. Ten sem zapojil do jednoho twisteru RX a TX (bez GND) a do druheho twisteru sem prohodil jen RX a TX. Vse lezelo na stole mezi dvema pocitaci, ktery jeden z nich byl v krabici a druhy je vosi (testovaci) hnizdo bez case. Takze ruseni tam mohlo byt az az... Pak se po zapojeni napajeni zobrazilo na obou PC ze kabel je pripojeny (mii-tool > link OK) a std. ping s tim nepravidelnym PL., a ping s paketem 1480 uplne odpojoval kabely (mii-tool > NO link )... Ping 1000 prochazel z cca 50% PL. Tak sem zvedavej az to hodim do krabice, a vyzkousim zakrytovane... Kendy HKfree Karel Obadal napsal(a): > Na zakrytovani bych to nevidel. Mam je nezakrytovane asi 10cm od sebe a > bezi jak naprimo tak i s RX a TX. Ale to je jen muj poznatek z praxe. > Obdobny problem jsem mel pri prehozenych odporech, ale uz nevim kterych :-( > > k. > > Kendy wrote: > >> Je mozne ze nezakrytovane twistery , ktere sou mezi sebou propojeny >> zpusobuji packetloss (cca 30%) na std. velikosti pingu a kdyz dam -s 1480 >> tak se uplne odpoji sitova karta (hlasi no link) a ping neprojde ani >> jeden... , po killnuti toho velkeho pingu zase link ok. >> >> Je mozne ze to je nejake ruseni, ktere zakrytovanim zmizi ? >> >> >> >> Kendy >> HKfree >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 12 18:32:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Nov 12 18:32:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <200411101252.30230.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> <200411091220.05372.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20041109133108.GA10651@beton.cybernet.src> <200411101252.30230.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20041112183214.GA20938@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 12:52:29PM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Muzes prosim te umistit nekam ten malinky obrazek schematu toho oscilatoru? ja > to teda na tu wiki umistim, i kdyz me to stoji obrovske sebezapreni. :-) Kam? Do navodu nebo na wikinu? Cl< > > > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Nov 13 19:16:17 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Nov 13 19:16:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX modul NE592 a jeho nezapojene vyvody In-Reply-To: <4194F0F0.8030506@hkfree.org> References: <4194F0F0.8030506@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <1100373377.41965d81cbf97@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> S NE592 od Philipse to fungovat nebude, ten ma tyhle vyvody vyuzity pro rizeni zisku. S NE592 od Texas Instruments by to fungovat melo. > Ve schematu je ze nezapojene vyvody 2,6,9,13 se maji pripojit na GND -> > ok. Ale bude nejaky problem kdyz i vyvody 3 a 12 budou take na zem > napojene ? Ma to nekdo tak zapojeno ? V PDF k 592 jsou tyto dva vyvody > oznaceny jako NC, takze by to snad vadit nemelo ... Nebo opak je pravdou ?? > > > Kendy > HKfree > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Nov 13 19:18:40 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Nov 13 19:18:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister In-Reply-To: <4194F9BE.3050803@hkfree.org> References: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> <41950248.20905@ido.cz> <4194F9BE.3050803@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <1100373520.41965e106faf9@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Zeme twisteru musi byt pri testovani propojeny, to je ten problem. > On ten PL neni pravidelny. Treba projde bez problemu 60 paketu, a pak 4 > vypadnou, 3 projdou ,6 vypadne, 30 projde , 2 vypadnou... > Neni to uplne pravidelny PL. > Uz mam material na krabicky, takze budu vyrabet krabicky a pak se uvidi. > > Cim ty mas (mel si) propojene oba twistery ? Nejakym koaxem ? > Ja je propojil jen dvoudratem (ustipl sem z rozbiteho bedny od compu ten > drat co na nem je dioda na prednim panelu. Ten sem zapojil do jednoho > twisteru RX a TX (bez GND) a do druheho twisteru sem prohodil jen RX a > TX. Vse lezelo na stole mezi dvema pocitaci, ktery jeden z nich byl v > krabici a druhy je vosi (testovaci) hnizdo bez case. Takze ruseni tam > mohlo byt az az... From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Nov 14 08:30:26 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Nov 14 08:30:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI Message-ID: <1947815666.20041114093026@volny.cz> Zdravim, vcera jsme zjistili, ze se Twister nejak nechyta s touto sitovkou: 4port Dlink PCI (4xRJ45 na jednom PCI slotu). Prendali jsme ho tedy do Intela a tam jede. Casem to snad jeste prezkousime dukladne nekde doma, ale kdybyste to nekdo takhle chtel pouzit tak bacha, pripadne referujte vase zkusenosti. Ondra From clock at twibright.com Sun Nov 14 09:46:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Nov 14 09:46:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] PDFs for mechanical drawings available Message-ID: <20041114094637.GA2446@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have added automatic generation of PDF's for all mechanical drawings. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Nov 14 12:55:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Nov 14 12:55:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI In-Reply-To: <1947815666.20041114093026@volny.cz> References: <1947815666.20041114093026@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041114125518.GB10772@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:30:26AM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > vcera jsme zjistili, ze se Twister nejak nechyta s touto sitovkou: Co znamena nechyta? Cl< > 4port Dlink PCI (4xRJ45 na jednom PCI slotu). > Prendali jsme ho tedy do Intela a tam jede. > Casem to snad jeste prezkousime dukladne nekde doma, ale kdybyste to > nekdo takhle chtel pouzit tak bacha, pripadne referujte vase > zkusenosti. > > Ondra > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From coolex at hkfree.org Sun Nov 14 17:01:15 2004 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool Explosion) Date: Sun Nov 14 17:00:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX modul NE592 a jeho nezapojene vyvody In-Reply-To: <1100373377.41965d81cbf97@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <4194F0F0.8030506@hkfree.org> <1100373377.41965d81cbf97@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <41978F5B.4050505@hkfree.org> Seligr@sh.cvut.cz napsal(a): >S NE592 od Philipse to fungovat nebude, ten ma tyhle vyvody vyuzity pro rizeni >zisku. >S NE592 od Texas Instruments by to fungovat melo. > > > Tim chces rict ze kdyz mam v RXkach NE592N14 od Philipse tak ze mi to nefunguje kvuli tomu??? Me asi trefi......! -- |=======================| | Cool-Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| |=======================| From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Nov 14 18:25:25 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Nov 14 18:25:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI In-Reply-To: <20041114125518.GB10772@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1947815666.20041114093026@volny.cz> <20041114125518.GB10772@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1946322208.20041114192525@volny.cz> Pripojis Twistra k sitovce, sitovka nahlasi status activ. Das ping a Rx LED ma blikat v rytmu pingu. Pri ping -f se ma tlumene rozsvitit. Misto toho si blika jak chce, rozhodne ne v rytmu dat. S Intelem se to chova podle ocekavani. Uvidim jak to bude az se ten spoj dozameri, ale radsi jsme to pripojili na ten Intel. Ondra KK> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:30:26AM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> Zdravim, >> vcera jsme zjistili, ze se Twister nejak nechyta s touto sitovkou: KK> Co znamena nechyta? KK> Cl< >> 4port Dlink PCI (4xRJ45 na jednom PCI slotu). >> Prendali jsme ho tedy do Intela a tam jede. >> Casem to snad jeste prezkousime dukladne nekde doma, ale kdybyste to >> nekdo takhle chtel pouzit tak bacha, pripadne referujte vase >> zkusenosti. >> >> Ondra >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Nov 14 20:15:49 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Nov 14 20:15:42 2004 Subject: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <20041108230405.GC4394@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <20041108230405.GC4394@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200411142115.50070.ladmanj@volny.cz> This seems like start of an fucking flamewar, but ... I do not want to learn better english to communicate with czech people, the majority nation in this list. My english is poor and i must give my brain power to write in english and then i have not enough to solve the main problem. Sorry. Clock may try to split this list into two parts, one czech and one international in english and use machine translator to exchange between them. Maybe, maybe not :-D BTW: Writing this reply was a 10 min. job for me, in czech i write it in 30 secs. In similar case i forget what i want to write. Jakub Ladman On Tuesday 09 November 2004 00:04, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 10:44:53PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > > Dobry den, sorry to reply to this list. Is there any way I can receive > > just English emails? I don't know much Czech you see. > > I don't know - maybe using a bayesian filter from Spamassassin? I would > like more if everyone spoke English too, but can you explain the Czechs > somehow that they should learn English, because it's a world language in > technical fields? > > Cl< > > > Thanks, > > > > Ralph > > > > On Nov 8 2004, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >Hello > > > > > >Is here anyone with any opinion on possible licensing Ronja under FDL? > > >There have been severe disputes over FDL's freeness in Debian community. > > >What's your opinion on the matter whether licensing Ronja under FDL will > > >enforce releasing schematics only in "transparent formats", or even > > >possibly forcing PCB's derived from schematics to be released only in > > >"transparent formats"? > > > > > >Is anyone holding an opinion here that the whole copyright matter is > > > just a piece of shit and information just wants to be free? > > > > > >Reading the disputes I got a feeling that the license grounds aroung GPL > > >and FDL are likely to become messy minefields soon, regarding for > > > example issues around validity of GPL and FDL in Czech Republic or > > > mutual incompatibility between FDL and GPL. > > > > > >Cl< > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sun Nov 14 20:18:53 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sun Nov 14 20:18:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX modul NE592 a jeho nezapojene vyvody In-Reply-To: <41978F5B.4050505@hkfree.org> References: <4194F0F0.8030506@hkfree.org> <1100373377.41965d81cbf97@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <41978F5B.4050505@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <1100463533.4197bdadcb760@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> > > >S NE592 od Philipse to fungovat nebude, ten ma tyhle vyvody vyuzity pro > rizeni > >zisku. > >S NE592 od Texas Instruments by to fungovat melo. > > > > > > > > Tim chces rict ze kdyz mam v RXkach NE592N14 od Philipse tak ze mi to > nefunguje kvuli tomu??? > > Me asi trefi......! > Docela by me zajimalo jake napeti mas na nozickach 1 a 14 toho NE592 proti zemi. Obvyklych 5,75V to asi nebude? From maco at host.sk Sun Nov 14 22:04:02 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sun Nov 14 22:04:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX modul NE592 a jeho nezapojene vyvody In-Reply-To: <1100463533.4197bdadcb760@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <4194F0F0.8030506@hkfree.org> <1100373377.41965d81cbf97@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <41978F5B.4050505@hkfree.org> <1100463533.4197bdadcb760@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <4197D652.9020003@host.sk> Ja pouzivam Philips na vsetkych RX a na plosakoch od Simandla (btw mame vo vyrobe niekolko desiatok kusov) a bezia UPLNE bez problemov maco Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: >>>S NE592 od Philipse to fungovat nebude, ten ma tyhle vyvody vyuzity pro >>> >>> >>rizeni >> >> >>>zisku. >>>S NE592 od Texas Instruments by to fungovat melo. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Tim chces rict ze kdyz mam v RXkach NE592N14 od Philipse tak ze mi to >>nefunguje kvuli tomu??? >> >>Me asi trefi......! >> >> >> >Docela by me zajimalo jake napeti mas na nozickach 1 a 14 toho NE592 proti zemi. >Obvyklych 5,75V to asi nebude? > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.922 (20041112) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From maco at host.sk Sun Nov 14 22:08:44 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sun Nov 14 22:08:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX modul NE592 a jeho nezapojene vyvody In-Reply-To: <4197D652.9020003@host.sk> References: <4194F0F0.8030506@hkfree.org> <1100373377.41965d81cbf97@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <41978F5B.4050505@hkfree.org> <1100463533.4197bdadcb760@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <4197D652.9020003@host.sk> Message-ID: <4197D76C.2070908@host.sk> beriem spat moj posledny prispevok. Philips funguje, ale ako je to s pripojenim na NC, resp GND alebo podobne netusim :) nereagovat dakujem Marcel Marcel Hecko wrote: > Ja pouzivam Philips na vsetkych RX a na plosakoch od Simandla (btw > mame vo vyrobe niekolko desiatok kusov) a bezia UPLNE bez problemov > > maco > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > >>>> S NE592 od Philipse to fungovat nebude, ten ma tyhle vyvody vyuzity >>>> pro >>>> >>> >>> rizeni >>> >>> >>>> zisku. >>>> S NE592 od Texas Instruments by to fungovat melo. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Tim chces rict ze kdyz mam v RXkach NE592N14 od Philipse tak ze mi >>> to nefunguje kvuli tomu??? >>> >>> Me asi trefi......! >>> >>> >> >> Docela by me zajimalo jake napeti mas na nozickach 1 a 14 toho NE592 >> proti zemi. >> Obvyklych 5,75V to asi nebude? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> __________ NOD32 1.922 (20041112) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.nod32.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ NOD32 1.922 (20041112) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Nov 15 07:44:54 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Nov 15 07:45:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI References: <1947815666.20041114093026@volny.cz><20041114125518.GB10772@beton.cybernet.src> <1946322208.20041114192525@volny.cz> Message-ID: <003901c4cae6$ff92dc00$0103450a@thechosen> kde si takovou sitovku sehnal? kolik stoji? chova se fakt jako 4 eth na jedne karte? Glo ------------------- > Pripojis Twistra k sitovce, sitovka nahlasi status activ. Das ping a > Rx LED ma blikat v rytmu pingu. Pri ping -f se ma tlumene rozsvitit. > > Misto toho si blika jak chce, rozhodne ne v rytmu dat. > > S Intelem se to chova podle ocekavani. > > Uvidim jak to bude az se ten spoj dozameri, ale radsi jsme to > pripojili na ten Intel. > > Ondra > > KK> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:30:26AM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > >> Zdravim, > >> vcera jsme zjistili, ze se Twister nejak nechyta s touto sitovkou: > > KK> Co znamena nechyta? > > KK> Cl< > >> 4port Dlink PCI (4xRJ45 na jednom PCI slotu). > >> Prendali jsme ho tedy do Intela a tam jede. > >> Casem to snad jeste prezkousime dukladne nekde doma, ale kdybyste to > >> nekdo takhle chtel pouzit tak bacha, pripadne referujte vase > >> zkusenosti. > >> > >> Ondra > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Nov 15 08:11:43 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Nov 15 08:12:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX modul NE592 a jeho nezapojene vyvody In-Reply-To: <4197D76C.2070908@host.sk> References: <4197D652.9020003@host.sk> Message-ID: <419872CF.32382.24B1E0@localhost> Ti to nikdo nebere, rec byla o nozickach 3 a 12. Tyto slouzi k regulacu zisku u obvodu philips a na plosnaku od Simadla je na nich seriova kombinace odporu a kondenzatoru, na stejnem plosnaku jsou vyvody 4 a 11 nezapojeny. V aktualni verzi od Clocka naopak na vyvodech 4 a 11 vysi kondenzator a vyvody 3 a 12 jsou nepripojeny. Zbyle nozicky 2, 5, 6, 9, 19 jsou pripojeny na zem. > beriem spat moj posledny prispevok. Philips funguje, ale ako je to s > pripojenim na NC, resp GND alebo podobne netusim :) > > nereagovat > > dakujem > > Marcel > > Marcel Hecko wrote: > > > Ja pouzivam Philips na vsetkych RX a na plosakoch od Simandla (btw > > mame vo vyrobe niekolko desiatok kusov) a bezia UPLNE bez problemov > > > > maco > > > > Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > > >>>> S NE592 od Philipse to fungovat nebude, ten ma tyhle vyvody vyuzity > >>>> pro > >>>> > >>> > >>> rizeni > >>> > >>> > >>>> zisku. > >>>> S NE592 od Texas Instruments by to fungovat melo. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> Tim chces rict ze kdyz mam v RXkach NE592N14 od Philipse tak ze mi > >>> to nefunguje kvuli tomu??? > >>> > >>> Me asi trefi......! > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Docela by me zajimalo jake napeti mas na nozickach 1 a 14 toho NE592 > >> proti zemi. > >> Obvyklych 5,75V to asi nebude? From klapek at kki.net.pl Mon Nov 15 13:57:38 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Mon Nov 15 13:57:12 2004 Subject: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <200411142115.50070.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <20041108230405.GC4394@beton.cybernet.src> <200411142115.50070.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200411151457.38820.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Sunday 14 of November 2004 21:15, Jakub Ladman wrote: > This seems like start of an fucking flamewar, but ... That's something I'd like to avoid, but I'll share my three cents here... > I do not want to learn better english to communicate with czech people, the > majority nation in this list. > My english is poor and i must give my brain power to write in english and > then i have not enough to solve the main problem. Actually using more brain power than currently available is a GoodThing(TM), it's self-developement. But I can understand that some people simply lack the time to do this, that's ok with me. Ronja is all about freedom so noone should forbid using a particular language here. > Clock may try to split this list into two parts, one czech and one > international in english and use machine translator to exchange between > them. Maybe, maybe not :-D That would produce entertainig results for the readers. :)) I propose to add some kind of marker in the subject line (like e.g. [CZ]) for those threads that are started in Czech. This way people who don't want to receive those emails will be able to filter them out easily. The drawback is that it requires people to actually remember about adding that marker. Personally, I don't mind receiveing mails in Czech or, preferably, Slovak because with some effort I can understand them, at least partially. And in case I find something unclear and the subject seems interesting, I can simply ask for someone to give a short summary in English. If there's noone with time/will to do this, that's ok. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 15 14:12:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 15 14:12:32 2004 Subject: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <200411151457.38820.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <20041108230405.GC4394@beton.cybernet.src> <200411142115.50070.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200411151457.38820.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20041115141227.GB25450@beton.cybernet.src> > Personally, I don't mind receiveing mails in Czech or, preferably, Slovak > because with some effort I can understand them, at least partially. And in > case I find something unclear and the subject seems interesting, I can simply > ask for someone to give a short summary in English. If there's noone with > time/will to do this, that's ok. You can always extract URL's and look what;s interesting on them ;-) Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Nov 15 14:17:11 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Nov 15 14:17:01 2004 Subject: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <20041108230405.GC4394@beton.cybernet.src> <200411142115.50070.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <003a01c4cb1d$cc6863e0$0101a8c0@cz> O.K. Jakub, i understand. My english is also poor, but learned this world language :) Martin..aka -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL > This seems like start of an fucking flamewar, but ... > I do not want to learn better english to communicate with czech people, the > majority nation in this list. > My english is poor and i must give my brain power to write in english and then > i have not enough to solve the main problem. > Sorry. > Clock may try to split this list into two parts, one czech and one > international in english and use machine translator to exchange between them. > Maybe, maybe not :-D > > BTW: Writing this reply was a 10 min. job for me, in czech i write it in 30 > secs. In similar case i forget what i want to write. > > Jakub Ladman > On Tuesday 09 November 2004 00:04, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 10:44:53PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > > > Dobry den, sorry to reply to this list. Is there any way I can receive > > > just English emails? I don't know much Czech you see. > > > > I don't know - maybe using a bayesian filter from Spamassassin? I would > > like more if everyone spoke English too, but can you explain the Czechs > > somehow that they should learn English, because it's a world language in > > technical fields? > > > > Cl< > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > On Nov 8 2004, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > >Hello > > > > > > > >Is here anyone with any opinion on possible licensing Ronja under FDL? > > > >There have been severe disputes over FDL's freeness in Debian community. > > > >What's your opinion on the matter whether licensing Ronja under FDL will > > > >enforce releasing schematics only in "transparent formats", or even > > > >possibly forcing PCB's derived from schematics to be released only in > > > >"transparent formats"? > > > > > > > >Is anyone holding an opinion here that the whole copyright matter is > > > > just a piece of shit and information just wants to be free? > > > > > > > >Reading the disputes I got a feeling that the license grounds aroung GPL > > > >and FDL are likely to become messy minefields soon, regarding for > > > > example issues around validity of GPL and FDL in Czech Republic or > > > > mutual incompatibility between FDL and GPL. > > > > > > > >Cl< > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Ronja mailing list > > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Nov 15 14:19:22 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Nov 15 14:19:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI References: <1947815666.20041114093026@volny.cz> <20041114125518.GB10772@beton.cybernet.src> <1946322208.20041114192525@volny.cz> Message-ID: <004701c4cb1e$1d7857e0$0101a8c0@cz> To vis...nove funkce MDX/MDXI jsou na hovno. Napriklad takovej Crusader s tim ma taky problemy....ML6652 nezna auto MDX system signal. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI > Pripojis Twistra k sitovce, sitovka nahlasi status activ. Das ping a > Rx LED ma blikat v rytmu pingu. Pri ping -f se ma tlumene rozsvitit. > > Misto toho si blika jak chce, rozhodne ne v rytmu dat. > > S Intelem se to chova podle ocekavani. > > Uvidim jak to bude az se ten spoj dozameri, ale radsi jsme to > pripojili na ten Intel. > > Ondra > > KK> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:30:26AM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > >> Zdravim, > >> vcera jsme zjistili, ze se Twister nejak nechyta s touto sitovkou: > > KK> Co znamena nechyta? > > KK> Cl< > >> 4port Dlink PCI (4xRJ45 na jednom PCI slotu). > >> Prendali jsme ho tedy do Intela a tam jede. > >> Casem to snad jeste prezkousime dukladne nekde doma, ale kdybyste to > >> nekdo takhle chtel pouzit tak bacha, pripadne referujte vase > >> zkusenosti. > >> > >> Ondra > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 14:50:35 2004 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Mon Nov 15 14:50:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NEW HIGH POWER LED SERIES from Roithner Message-ID: <20041115145035.3520.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> JET-685-10, 680 nm, 50 mW at 300 mA, 2.4 V, tr/tf 30/40 ns, 8° FAT-685-40, 685 nm, 250 mW at 250 mA, 12.4 V, tr/tf 80/100 ns, 40° I think, these led's are suitable for long range distance. Some friends of mine tested these led's and the results was very good,much,much better even hpwt led's. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From rc299 at cam.ac.uk Mon Nov 15 15:13:17 2004 From: rc299 at cam.ac.uk (R. Clark) Date: Mon Nov 15 15:13:25 2004 Subject: [EN] Re: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <200411151457.38820.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <200411151457.38820.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: I think it would be best to put [EN] for English emails and nothing for Czech emails, as there are many more Czech emails than English ones. Ralph On Nov 15 2004, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Sunday 14 of November 2004 21:15, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > This seems like start of an fucking flamewar, but ... > > That's something I'd like to avoid, but I'll share my three cents > here... > > > I do not want to learn better english to communicate with czech > > people, the majority nation in this list. My english is poor and i must > > give my brain power to write in english and then i have not enough to > > solve the main problem. > > Actually using more brain power than currently available is a > GoodThing(TM), it's self-developement. But I can understand that some > people simply lack the time to do this, that's ok with me. Ronja is all > about freedom so noone should forbid using a particular language here. > > > Clock may try to split this list into two parts, one czech and one > > international in english and use machine translator to exchange between > > them. Maybe, maybe not :-D > > That would produce entertainig results for the readers. :)) > > I propose to add some kind of marker in the subject line > (like e.g. [CZ]) for those threads that are started in Czech. This way > people who don't want to receive those emails will be able to filter > them out easily. The drawback is that it requires people to actually > remember about adding that marker. > > Personally, I don't mind receiveing mails in Czech or, preferably, > Slovak because with some effort I can understand them, at least > partially. And in case I find something unclear and the subject seems > interesting, I can simply ask for someone to give a short summary in > English. If there's noone with time/will to do this, that's ok. > > Regards, > Tomek Koprowski > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 15 15:16:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 15 15:16:10 2004 Subject: [EN] Re: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <200411151457.38820.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20041115151606.GB25801@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 03:13:17PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > I think it would be best to put [EN] for English emails and nothing for > Czech emails, as there are many more Czech emails than English ones. Is't the language obvious from the subject? Understand -> EN Not understand -> CZ Cl< From jojo at matfyz.cz Mon Nov 15 15:17:51 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Mon Nov 15 15:17:58 2004 Subject: [EN] Re: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <20041115151606.GB25801@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <200411151457.38820.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20041115151606.GB25801@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041115151751.GA19183@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On 2004-11-15 15:16 +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 03:13:17PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > > I think it would be best to put [EN] for English emails and nothing for > > Czech emails, as there are many more Czech emails than English ones. > > Is't the language obvious from the subject? Not for a mail filter. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From rc299 at cam.ac.uk Mon Nov 15 15:26:34 2004 From: rc299 at cam.ac.uk (R. Clark) Date: Mon Nov 15 15:26:43 2004 Subject: [EN] Re: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <20041115151606.GB25801@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <20041115151606.GB25801@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: I prefer to have a filter set up that blocks all emails with the "reply-to" field set as "ronja@lists.pointless.net" and that do not contain [EN] in the subject header, than to manually delete Czech emails. Ralph On Nov 15 2004, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 03:13:17PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > > I think it would be best to put [EN] for English emails and nothing for > > Czech emails, as there are many more Czech emails than English ones. > > Is't the language obvious from the subject? > > Understand -> EN > Not understand -> CZ > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 15 17:57:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 15 17:57:43 2004 Subject: [EN] Re: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <20041115151751.GA19183@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <200411151457.38820.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20041115151606.GB25801@beton.cybernet.src> <20041115151751.GA19183@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20041115175740.GA26333@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 04:17:51PM +0100, Marian Cerny wrote: > On 2004-11-15 15:16 +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 03:13:17PM +0000, R. Clark wrote: > > > I think it would be best to put [EN] for English emails and nothing for > > > Czech emails, as there are many more Czech emails than English ones. > > > > Is't the language obvious from the subject? > > Not for a mail filter. Mail filter may use a Bayesian classifier (see Spamassassin) which is IMHO very good at classifying between EN and CZ. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 15 20:02:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 15 20:02:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20041115200237.GA26713@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 10:19:01AM +0100, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Co to hodit na twiki? I've put it on the twiki here: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/CrystalOscillator Cl< > -- > Kosac > > > > > Zdravim, > > > mam malej dotaz, musi se pouziva zrovna oscilatory na > > DIL14? nejde tam > > > nejak implementovat klasicky v pouzdre HC49-U? Dik > > > Je to celkem velky rozdil v cene :). > > v HC49 je pouye krystal, kdezto v dil 14 cely oscilator. Dost dobre > > nechapu proc Clock se tak urputne drzi oscilatoru (jak v > > twisterovi tak v > > AUI), kdyz jsou vyrazne drazsi a tezko dostupne. > > > > Ja jsem to vyresil tak, ze jsem udelal malinky plosnacek do > > ktereho jsem > > napajel 4 dratky a a na neho klasicky oscilator "Colpits" > > (nebo jak se to > > pise). > > Tento modulek jsem zapajel misto dil14 a bylo vymalovano. > > Pokud bz nekdo > > mel zajem, dejte vedet, postnu schema. Plosnacek je tak jednoduchy, ze > > jsem ho neleptal, ale nozem vyskrabl. Kdyz bude zajem, muzu > > poslat i foto. > > > > S pozdravem > > > > -- > > > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 15 20:09:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 15 20:09:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: help, please? In-Reply-To: <031901c49c0c$fcc954d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> References: <20040915143204.GB1302@beton.cybernet.src> <031901c49c0c$fcc954d0$0500a8c0@AIG1> Message-ID: <20041115200930.GB26713@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 06:47:54PM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > I added the datasheet from my supplier. > The IC self is labled with: AM26LS32ACN. You said previously that the IC is labeled AM26LS32 CN. How is the IC labeled? > Homepage: > http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/am26ls32a.html This is a datasheet for AM26LS32A. Cl< > > But i will order some other chips and try them. > > thank you. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: help, please? > > > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 08:36:35AM +0200, Shamanu8 wrote: > > > AM26LS32 CN > > > > Sorry, this is a bug in the guide. I have corrected the equivalents from > > AM26LS32 to AM26LS32A. I am unable to get AM26LS32 datasheet (are you?) > > however AM26LS32A datasheet says that AM26LS32 are less sensitive and take > > more current. I guess this is your case. > > > > Please get some other chips and try it with them. > > > > Cl< > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:52 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: help, please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > any ideas ? any help ? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is basically nothing in Twister that could go wrong. So that > > > > > resolder > > > > > > all joints, the probable cause is that some joint is a cold join > or > > > some > > > > > > package is inserted the wrong way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > I have the same problem. > > > > > 2 twister's (airwire) built at the same time and on both the yellow > and > > > red > > > > > leds are glowing... > > > > > > > > What kind of 26LS32 did you use? > > > > > > > > Cl< From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Nov 18 15:27:44 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Thu Nov 18 15:27:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Discussion for [EN] and [CZ] References: <20041115200314.9487gmx1@mx048.gmx.net> Message-ID: <28474.1100791664@www39.gmx.net> Why dont you just use a more common language. e.h. Su-A-Heli :-) -- Geschenkt: 3 Monate GMX ProMail + 3 Top-Spielfilme auf DVD ++ Jetzt kostenlos testen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail ++ From klapek at kki.net.pl Thu Nov 18 16:20:08 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Thu Nov 18 16:19:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Discussion for [EN] and [CZ] In-Reply-To: <28474.1100791664@www39.gmx.net> References: <20041115200314.9487gmx1@mx048.gmx.net> <28474.1100791664@www39.gmx.net> Message-ID: <200411181720.08419.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Thursday 18 of November 2004 16:27, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > Why dont you just use a more common > language. > e.h. Su-A-Heli That's specieism. Quenya, anyone? Regards Tomek Koprowski From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Fri Nov 19 07:37:55 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Fri Nov 19 07:38:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A918@vestex01.vest.corp> Ahoj, Tak jsem se konecne po pul roce dostal k pajeni twistera. Poznatky: - na webu neni (nebo jsem nenasel) orientace konektoru se zamky na tistaku + orientace stabilizatoru na plochym kabliku s konektorem (pokud je navod pro lamy, tak bych to jako lama ocenil...) - nikde neni jak a kam se ma priletovat ten kondik (nebo jich je vic?) ke stabilizatoru Otazky: - civka - muzu pouzit drat .75 a 1.5 - ktery je lepsi? - muzu kombinovat na jednom twistru 74HC164 a 74HCT164? Zatim mi chybi 26LS31 36LS32 a 16MHz osc. Budu se asi muset vydat do Prahy. Maj je normalne v GM skladem? Zatim cau. -- Kosac From ronja at duje.net Fri Nov 19 08:11:53 2004 From: ronja at duje.net (Ivo) Date: Fri Nov 19 08:10:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Discussion for [EN] and [CZ] In-Reply-To: <28474.1100791664@www39.gmx.net> References: <20041115200314.9487gmx1@mx048.gmx.net> <28474.1100791664@www39.gmx.net> Message-ID: <419DAAC9.7030905@duje.net> Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: >Why dont you just use a more common >language. >e.h. Su-A-Heli > >:-) > > > It depends what this list is for. If it want's users to do something (like improve, add something, ...) then of course it would be nicer to use more common language, but if it is just support for "official" desing where lets say 80% of users are Czech people than it is normal to have situation like current one (it is up to creator/main tech. supporter to decide, anyway). I would like to see more messages in english because that way I could learn more about the project and then (hopefully) participate in it but I am glad that it exists this way or another. And if more "foreign" people would build it and use it intensively I am sure that there would be much more messages in other languages. Have a nice day. Regards, Ivo. From coolex at hkfree.org Fri Nov 19 09:38:14 2004 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool Explosion) Date: Fri Nov 19 09:38:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface - od Simandla Message-ID: <419DBF06.8020203@hkfree.org> Zdravim, mel bych par dotazu, nejspise budou smerovany halavne na p. Simandla: 1) Ve schematu jsou vyznaceny test pointy, ale nikte jsem nenasel zadnou tabulku (nebo neco podobnyho) kde by bylo napsane jake napeti ci frekvenci bychom na nich meli namerit....? 2) Kdyz jsem zkousel merit napeti na tech test pointech, tak na 4 se mi rapidne napeti lisilo, mohlo by to byt v nejakym spalenym IC ??? 3) hodnekrat jsem videl ze byly na TX pouzity 2x 74HC04 (sna si to oznaceni pamatuju spravne) ale podle schematu by tam meli byt 3... (vsimnul jsem si toho teprve tedka, tak doufam ze se s tim mim 74HC04 nic nestalo, protoze ja tam mam jen jeden :-/ Diky predem za odpovedi -- |=======================| | Cool-Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| |=======================| From ronja at duje.net Fri Nov 19 09:59:15 2004 From: ronja at duje.net (Ivo) Date: Fri Nov 19 09:57:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Recommendations Message-ID: <419DC3F3.4010305@duje.net> Hi, I am starting with building my first ronja device and I would like to avoid errors as much as possible. So, I would like to ask you, if you could be so kind to recommend PCB version of RX / TX module as I guess it is better way to build ronja (maybe I am wrong?!) Thanks in advance. Regards, Ivo. From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Fri Nov 19 10:08:22 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Fri Nov 19 10:08:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Recommendations Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A91C@vestex01.vest.corp> The best PCB for RX and TX is no PCB. It isn't part of official ronja project. You will have no support in this mailing-list (or minimal). -- Kosac > > > Hi, > > I am starting with building my first ronja device and I would like to > avoid errors as much as possible. So, I would like to ask you, if you > could be so kind to recommend PCB version of RX / TX module > as I guess > it is better way to build ronja (maybe I am wrong?!) > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > Ivo. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From simandl at mujmail.cz Fri Nov 19 14:51:56 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Fri Nov 19 14:48:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface - od Simandla In-Reply-To: <419DBF06.8020203@hkfree.org> References: <419DBF06.8020203@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <419E088C.7000603@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, 1) tabulku bohuzel nikdo neudelal. Schema je "podobne" napriklad tomuhle a tam to je http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/aui_forte.png 2) neco je jinak to je jiste - cim to je nevim protoze jsi to malo popsal 3) dej tam radsi tri nez jeden IO :) hezky den Sima Cool Explosion napsal(a): > Zdravim, > mel bych par dotazu, nejspise budou smerovany halavne na p. Simandla: > > 1) Ve schematu jsou vyznaceny test pointy, ale nikte jsem nenasel zadnou > tabulku (nebo neco podobnyho) kde by bylo napsane jake napeti ci > frekvenci bychom na nich meli namerit....? > > 2) Kdyz jsem zkousel merit napeti na tech test pointech, tak na 4 se mi > rapidne napeti lisilo, mohlo by to byt v nejakym spalenym IC ??? > > 3) hodnekrat jsem videl ze byly na TX pouzity 2x 74HC04 (sna si to > oznaceni pamatuju spravne) ale podle schematu by tam meli byt 3... > (vsimnul jsem si toho teprve tedka, tak doufam ze se s tim mim 74HC04 > nic nestalo, protoze ja tam mam jen jeden :-/ > > Diky predem za odpovedi > From coolex at hkfree.org Fri Nov 19 19:45:25 2004 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool Explosion) Date: Fri Nov 19 19:45:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Recommendations In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A91C@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A91C@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <419E4D55.9080005@hkfree.org> kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz napsal(a): >The best PCB for RX and TX is no PCB. >It isn't part of official ronja project. >You will have no support in this mailing-list (or minimal). > > Why ??? I thik so in PCBs is future, because it help expasnsions of RONJA project...! Bye Cool... -- |=======================| | Cool-Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| |=======================| From coolex at hkfree.org Fri Nov 19 20:05:21 2004 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool Explosion) Date: Fri Nov 19 20:05:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface - od Simandla In-Reply-To: <419E088C.7000603@mujmail.cz> References: <419DBF06.8020203@hkfree.org> <419E088C.7000603@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <419E5201.2060105@hkfree.org> Petr Simandl napsal(a): > Ahoj, > 1) tabulku bohuzel nikdo neudelal. Schema je "podobne" napriklad > tomuhle a tam to je http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/aui_forte.png A ty jsis nedelal pri testech nejaky pozn?mky??? Nebo tenhle Interface jsi ani nezkousel??? > 2) neco je jinak to je jiste - cim to je nevim protoze jsi to malo popsal O.Ki tak ja se rozepisu trochu vice: Interface A: TP04: 2,27 TP05: 5,01 TP07: 2,51 TP09: 0,01 TP10: 0,11 TP12: 2,4 TP14: 0,14 TP15: 0,01 TP16: 4,34 TP18: 0,01 TP19: 0,01 TP20: 0,01 TP21: 3,74 Interface b: TP04: 2,27 TP05: 5,00 TP07: 2,52 TP09: 0,01 TP10: 0,12 TP12: 2,4 TP14: 3,88 X TP15: 4,34 X TP16: 0,01 X TP18: 2,48 TP19: 0,01 TP20: 0,01 TP21: 3,75 X vsechny udaje jsou ve voltech a bylo to mereno jen interface - intrface a bez pripojeni k ethernetu... Pokud mi neco vypadlo staci rict, ja doplnim... > Cool Explosion napsal(a): > >> Zdravim, >> mel bych par dotazu, nejspise budou smerovany halavne na p. Simandla: >> >> 1) Ve schematu jsou vyznaceny test pointy, ale nikte jsem nenasel >> zadnou tabulku (nebo neco podobnyho) kde by bylo napsane jake napeti >> ci frekvenci bychom na nich meli namerit....? >> >> 2) Kdyz jsem zkousel merit napeti na tech test pointech, tak na 4 se >> mi rapidne napeti lisilo, mohlo by to byt v nejakym spalenym IC ??? > -- |=======================| | Cool-Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| |=======================| From kucera_jiri at volny.cz Sat Nov 20 15:12:24 2004 From: kucera_jiri at volny.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Jiri_Ku=E8era?=) Date: Sat Nov 20 15:12:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?Nefungujici_RX=2CTX_moduly_v_loopback_re?= =?iso-8859-2?q?=BEimu?= Message-ID: Zdrav?m v?echny, p?i o?ivovac?ch pokusech RX ,TX modulu m? nefunguji p?i LOOPback testu mam 2 sady ronja ,twister PCB.Rx,Tx vrab?? hn?zdo dle n?vodu od Clocka testuji na P4 1.6 GHz, 512RAM, SLAX cz, sit. karta realtek. Parametry RX-1 Q101 - BF988, U101 case - NE 592 Q102,Q103 - 2N3904, Q102h21e - 270,Q103h21e - 270 P101 =11,44 V P102 =3,83 V P103 =0 V P104 =6,68 V P105 =5,70 V P106 =4,23 V P107 =1,5 V P108 =11,53 V P109 =3,39 V v?m?na R104 150 Kohm? Parametry RX-2 Q101 - BF988, U101 case - NE 592 Q102,Q103 - 2N3904, Q102h21e - 276,Q103h21e - 276 P101 = 11,45 V P102 = 3,85 V P103 = 0 V P104 = 6,73 V P105 = 5,71 V P106 = 4,46 V P107 = 1,5 V P108 = 11,5 V P109 = 4,02 V v?m?na R104 150 Kohm? Parametry TX-3 Led1 HPWT-BD00-E4000, Q102,Q103 - 2N3904, Q102h21e - 297,Q103h21e - 308 DC s sig. DC bez sig. AC s sig. P1 = 0V 0V 700mV P2 = 5V 5V 700mV P3 = 4,47V 4,34V 300mV P4 = 5V 5V 0 P5 = 9,43V 4,2 V P6 = 2,8V 4,5V 5,5V Parametry TX-4 Led1 HPWT-BD00-E4000, Q102,Q103 - 2N3904, Q102h21e - 308,Q103h21e - 311 DC s sig. DC bez sig. AC s sig. P1 = 0V 0V 700mV P2 = 5V 5V 700mV P3 = 4,46V 5V 300mV P4 = 5V 5V 0 P5 = 9,88V 4,5 V P6 = 2,98V 4,9V 5,5V Provedl jsem v?echny kroky v kapitole "test s jednou s?tovou kartou" a? po p?ipojeni modulu a nam??en? proti sob?, kdy se mi p?i testu nezdvojuji pakety ,pokud dam klemu na twister nebo p?epnu do loopback re?imu je v?e v po??dku,vzd?lenost cca 70 cm RSSI 1,5 V, testpointy m??eny p?i t?chto podm?nk?ch ,AC hodnoty jsem m??il na osciloskopu, Pros?m o pomoc p?i ?e?en? probl?mu s moduly ,mysl?m si z? doch?z? n?kde k mrveni sign?lu ale nejsem schopen naj?t kde ,je?t? pozn?mka p?i testech mi ob? ledky na twisteru blikaly do rytmu s vys?lan?mi pakety a proto usuzuji ?e jde pravd?podobn? o chybu n?kde v RX modulu Ji?? Ku?era "Servisak" From clock at twibright.com Sun Nov 21 21:54:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Nov 21 21:54:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Questions on Twister In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041121215444.GA6707@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 01:13:29AM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: > Hi, > > 1.) I wish to ask about the Ronja Twister, The C54 and C55 > Capacitor, from the schematic, they are 10n, but from the pictures it shows > empty on it. Further more there is instruction that do not solder these 2 > capacitors. So does it mean that I just ignore the 2 capacitors and leave it > empty? The instructions say they should be soldered on the (detached) regulator. Or don't they? > > > > 2.) From the picture url > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/clock/twister/dscn0476 > jpg , I saw the 2 pairs of ICs below the picture, there is 2 jumper wire > (where the wire cross over from 1 IC to the other IC.) Do I need to do so? No it was prototype containing bug. No wires are needed. > > > > 3.) I saw from the picture that there is few wires cover with > sky blue colour PCB. Under it there is a black socket. What is it called? > Jumper Socket? There is plenty of blue on wires. Please circle up the place using an image editor. > > > > 4.) Where is the DC Power connected at? I mean from the picture > which part it is at? I bought crimp housing but for the DC Power connector I > have no idea how is it look like. Top right > 5.) How to connect to the ground? To the casing directly? This should be explained in the guide (there is more places where ground is connected). If not explained, please point out the unclear point in the guide. > 6.) For the 10M metropolis, I saw the AUI need to connect to both > Receiver and Transmitter. What is the use of it? Decode and encode signal > from and to computer? Not understand the question clearly. RX receives signal and TX transmits. AUI transcodes protocol. > 7.) Since the only different of metropolis and tetrapolis is the AUI and > twister, What is so special on twister that makes it able to transmit > further? It can't transmit further. The distance is the same as AUI Forte. Cl< > > > Thanks for seeing this mail. Hope you can reply, thanks. > > BTW, > > > > Regards, > > Looshichang > From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Mon Nov 22 07:03:12 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Mon Nov 22 07:03:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Recommendations Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A939@vestex01.vest.corp> > kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz napsal(a): > > >The best PCB for RX and TX is no PCB. > >It isn't part of official ronja project. > >You will have no support in this mailing-list (or minimal). > > > > > > Why ??? I thik so in PCBs is future, because it help expasnsions of > RONJA project...! Don't know. It isn't too easy to develop PCB with 100% functionality. PCB is cool, but isn't officially developed. I'm waiting for PCB too :-) -- Kosac From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Nov 22 11:03:10 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Nov 22 11:04:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 svice Message-ID: <20041122110316Z1305799-7219+206188@mail.centrum.cz> asi hodnekrat zodpovezeny dotaz,ale prece, pojede twistr mezi dvema obyc svicema? aspon HD From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Nov 22 12:27:05 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Nov 22 12:28:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 svice In-Reply-To: <20041122110316Z1305799-7219+206188@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <41A1E929.29843.55E74@localhost> Pojede. Dokonce pojede i mezi HUBama. > asi hodnekrat zodpovezeny dotaz,ale prece, > > pojede twistr mezi dvema obyc svicema? aspon HD > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From moti at pilsfree.net Mon Nov 22 14:17:11 2004 From: moti at pilsfree.net (Michal Toman) Date: Mon Nov 22 14:17:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani Message-ID: <1101133031.15558.67.camel@lama64> Zdravim, mate zkusenost se zamerovanim infra spoje na vetsi vzdalenost? Vcera jsme to zkouseli (800m) a je to zlo, nemluve o zime ;) Jeden smer byl videt ve fotaku jako tecka _zhruba_ se svitem ekvivalentnim poulicni lampe ve stejne vzdalenosti. Osobne me prekvapilo jak malo je fotak citlivy na infra (zamerovani pres den je podle me vylouceno). Postup byl mit zazoomovany fotak na ten bod, sledovat maximum svitu a hlasit stav zpet vysilackou. Stridave jsme ladili ohnisko a smer. Nanestesti pro druhy smer to z nejakeho duvodu neslo a nenasli jsme ten svetly bod od ronjy vubec (ronja svitila, overeno). Dalsi plan je sehnat kameru (0lux) a zkusit to znova. RX zkusime ladit jen podle RSSI (je to realne?). Nicmene pokud byste mel nekdo zamerovani infra zvladle, dejte vedet, nerad bych umrzl na strese s ronjou v naruci (prestoze to muze znit romanticky). Pri testech na stole je vzdalenost bez packetlossu 2.8m a dal uz to neslo kuli absenci volneho prostoru, takze dosah by mel byt v poradku. Infra verze je podle modifikace co posilal pred casem Rys, jinak naprosto klasicka 130mm ronja. Dik za napady, Moti From kucik at net22.cz Tue Nov 23 14:35:04 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (kucik@net22.cz) Date: Mon Nov 22 14:36:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani In-Reply-To: <1101133031.15558.67.camel@lama64> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041123153155.00a14ec0@mail.net22.cz> Zkus noctovizor. Jeden ruskej jsem pred casem drzel v ruce a melo by to byt ucinny. Myslim ze v nejakym armyshopu jde neco sehnat. At 15:17 22.11.2004 +0100, you wrote: >Zdravim, > >mate zkusenost se zamerovanim infra spoje na vetsi vzdalenost? Vcera >jsme to zkouseli (800m) a je to zlo, nemluve o zime ;) > >Jeden smer byl videt ve fotaku jako tecka _zhruba_ se svitem >ekvivalentnim poulicni lampe ve stejne vzdalenosti. Osobne me prekvapilo >jak malo je fotak citlivy na infra (zamerovani pres den je podle me >vylouceno). Postup byl mit zazoomovany fotak na ten bod, sledovat >maximum svitu a hlasit stav zpet vysilackou. Stridave jsme ladili >ohnisko a smer. Nanestesti pro druhy smer to z nejakeho duvodu neslo a >nenasli jsme ten svetly bod od ronjy vubec (ronja svitila, overeno). > >Dalsi plan je sehnat kameru (0lux) a zkusit to znova. RX zkusime ladit >jen podle RSSI (je to realne?). Nicmene pokud byste mel nekdo zamerovani >infra zvladle, dejte vedet, nerad bych umrzl na strese s ronjou v naruci >(prestoze to muze znit romanticky). > >Pri testech na stole je vzdalenost bez packetlossu 2.8m a dal uz to >neslo kuli absenci volneho prostoru, takze dosah by mel byt v poradku. >Infra verze je podle modifikace co posilal pred casem Rys, jinak >naprosto klasicka 130mm ronja. > >Dik za napady, >Moti > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Mon Nov 22 14:40:14 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_S=FDkora?=) Date: Mon Nov 22 14:40:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 svice In-Reply-To: <41A1E929.29843.55E74@localhost> References: <41A1E929.29843.55E74@localhost> Message-ID: <41A1FA4E.5020208@kbx.cz> Hlavne to nesmeji byt cajovy svice... to pak nefunguje :/ K Petr Seliger wrote: > Pojede. Dokonce pojede i mezi HUBama. > > >>asi hodnekrat zodpovezeny dotaz,ale prece, >> >>pojede twistr mezi dvema obyc svicema? aspon HD >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From maco at host.sk Mon Nov 22 09:31:00 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Mon Nov 22 17:54:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Rozdiel medzi F4000 a E4000 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041123153155.00a14ec0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041123153155.00a14ec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <41A1B1D4.4070702@host.sk> Ako rozoznam, ci mam v ruke E4000 alebo F4000 ? Kolko cca stoja Ecka a Fka v cechach pokial by som zobral takych 20 kusov? vdaka Marcel Hecko aka maco@blava.net From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Nov 22 20:25:04 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Nov 22 20:25:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani References: <1101133031.15558.67.camel@lama64> Message-ID: <001e01c4d0d1$5a13b600$0101a8c0@cz> Ahoj Michale jsem rad , zes to tak postavil :) me to jelo na 3.2m, tahle infra LED je silnejsi nez F4000. Testoval jsem to na 400m, ale co vim tak nejdelsi spoj je asi 1600m. A kluci co to delali postupovali stejne jako ja. Veme se klasicka videokamera (VHS-C) a tou se na to kouka, ale je treba mit k teto videokamere pripojenej malej barevnej PAL videomonitor. Je treba co nejvice zazoomovat (priblizit) a zaostrit (z bodu od naproti ti muzou posvitit svitilnout a na tu se zamerit). Hodne pomaha stativ. Ze zkusenosti muzes rovnou zapomenout na digi fotak, ci na fotak ve founu. Ja si jeste treba pomaham videovysilackou PAL na 2.4GHz co ji maj v GME nebo v www.cts-kenwood.cz TX stoji 1750,- a RX to same, antena staci z Wifi a pak je ostreni super..online na sve TX strane vidis na monitoru protejsek :)) -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Toman" To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani > Zdravim, > > mate zkusenost se zamerovanim infra spoje na vetsi vzdalenost? Vcera > jsme to zkouseli (800m) a je to zlo, nemluve o zime ;) > > Jeden smer byl videt ve fotaku jako tecka _zhruba_ se svitem > ekvivalentnim poulicni lampe ve stejne vzdalenosti. Osobne me prekvapilo > jak malo je fotak citlivy na infra (zamerovani pres den je podle me > vylouceno). Postup byl mit zazoomovany fotak na ten bod, sledovat > maximum svitu a hlasit stav zpet vysilackou. Stridave jsme ladili > ohnisko a smer. Nanestesti pro druhy smer to z nejakeho duvodu neslo a > nenasli jsme ten svetly bod od ronjy vubec (ronja svitila, overeno). > > Dalsi plan je sehnat kameru (0lux) a zkusit to znova. RX zkusime ladit > jen podle RSSI (je to realne?). Nicmene pokud byste mel nekdo zamerovani > infra zvladle, dejte vedet, nerad bych umrzl na strese s ronjou v naruci > (prestoze to muze znit romanticky). > > Pri testech na stole je vzdalenost bez packetlossu 2.8m a dal uz to > neslo kuli absenci volneho prostoru, takze dosah by mel byt v poradku. > Infra verze je podle modifikace co posilal pred casem Rys, jinak > naprosto klasicka 130mm ronja. > > Dik za napady, > Moti > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Mon Nov 22 20:28:18 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Mon Nov 22 20:28:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani In-Reply-To: <001e01c4d0d1$5a13b600$0101a8c0@cz> References: <1101133031.15558.67.camel@lama64> <001e01c4d0d1$5a13b600$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: hmm to je celkem vychytavka.. :) nemas nejake fotky z Vasi aiming akce? ROOTen On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:25:04 +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Ahoj Michale > jsem rad , zes to tak postavil :) > me to jelo na 3.2m, tahle infra LED je silnejsi nez F4000. > Testoval jsem to na 400m, ale co vim tak nejdelsi spoj je asi 1600m. > A kluci co to delali postupovali stejne jako ja. > Veme se klasicka videokamera (VHS-C) a tou se na to kouka, ale je treba > mit > k teto > videokamere pripojenej malej barevnej PAL videomonitor. > Je treba co nejvice zazoomovat (priblizit) a zaostrit (z bodu od naproti > ti > muzou posvitit svitilnout a na tu se zamerit). > Hodne pomaha stativ. > > Ze zkusenosti muzes rovnou zapomenout na digi fotak, ci na fotak ve > founu. > > Ja si jeste treba pomaham videovysilackou PAL na 2.4GHz co ji maj v GME > nebo > v www.cts-kenwood.cz > TX stoji 1750,- a RX to same, antena staci z Wifi a pak je ostreni > super..online na sve TX strane vidis na monitoru > protejsek :)) > > -=RYS=- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Toman" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:17 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani > > >> Zdravim, >> >> mate zkusenost se zamerovanim infra spoje na vetsi vzdalenost? Vcera >> jsme to zkouseli (800m) a je to zlo, nemluve o zime ;) >> >> Jeden smer byl videt ve fotaku jako tecka _zhruba_ se svitem >> ekvivalentnim poulicni lampe ve stejne vzdalenosti. Osobne me prekvapilo >> jak malo je fotak citlivy na infra (zamerovani pres den je podle me >> vylouceno). Postup byl mit zazoomovany fotak na ten bod, sledovat >> maximum svitu a hlasit stav zpet vysilackou. Stridave jsme ladili >> ohnisko a smer. Nanestesti pro druhy smer to z nejakeho duvodu neslo a >> nenasli jsme ten svetly bod od ronjy vubec (ronja svitila, overeno). >> >> Dalsi plan je sehnat kameru (0lux) a zkusit to znova. RX zkusime ladit >> jen podle RSSI (je to realne?). Nicmene pokud byste mel nekdo zamerovani >> infra zvladle, dejte vedet, nerad bych umrzl na strese s ronjou v naruci >> (prestoze to muze znit romanticky). >> >> Pri testech na stole je vzdalenost bez packetlossu 2.8m a dal uz to >> neslo kuli absenci volneho prostoru, takze dosah by mel byt v poradku. >> Infra verze je podle modifikace co posilal pred casem Rys, jinak >> naprosto klasicka 130mm ronja. >> >> Dik za napady, >> Moti >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Mon Nov 22 20:35:28 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Mon Nov 22 20:35:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani In-Reply-To: <001e01c4d0d1$5a13b600$0101a8c0@cz> References: <1101133031.15558.67.camel@lama64> <001e01c4d0d1$5a13b600$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: Je mozne postavit INFRA verzi na PCB od Ondry Tesare? Nebo je tam potreba neco upravit? ROOTen On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:25:04 +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Ahoj Michale > jsem rad , zes to tak postavil :) > me to jelo na 3.2m, tahle infra LED je silnejsi nez F4000. > Testoval jsem to na 400m, ale co vim tak nejdelsi spoj je asi 1600m. > A kluci co to delali postupovali stejne jako ja. > Veme se klasicka videokamera (VHS-C) a tou se na to kouka, ale je treba > mit > k teto > videokamere pripojenej malej barevnej PAL videomonitor. > Je treba co nejvice zazoomovat (priblizit) a zaostrit (z bodu od naproti > ti > muzou posvitit svitilnout a na tu se zamerit). > Hodne pomaha stativ. > > Ze zkusenosti muzes rovnou zapomenout na digi fotak, ci na fotak ve > founu. > > Ja si jeste treba pomaham videovysilackou PAL na 2.4GHz co ji maj v GME > nebo > v www.cts-kenwood.cz > TX stoji 1750,- a RX to same, antena staci z Wifi a pak je ostreni > super..online na sve TX strane vidis na monitoru > protejsek :)) > > -=RYS=- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Toman" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:17 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani > > >> Zdravim, >> >> mate zkusenost se zamerovanim infra spoje na vetsi vzdalenost? Vcera >> jsme to zkouseli (800m) a je to zlo, nemluve o zime ;) >> >> Jeden smer byl videt ve fotaku jako tecka _zhruba_ se svitem >> ekvivalentnim poulicni lampe ve stejne vzdalenosti. Osobne me prekvapilo >> jak malo je fotak citlivy na infra (zamerovani pres den je podle me >> vylouceno). Postup byl mit zazoomovany fotak na ten bod, sledovat >> maximum svitu a hlasit stav zpet vysilackou. Stridave jsme ladili >> ohnisko a smer. Nanestesti pro druhy smer to z nejakeho duvodu neslo a >> nenasli jsme ten svetly bod od ronjy vubec (ronja svitila, overeno). >> >> Dalsi plan je sehnat kameru (0lux) a zkusit to znova. RX zkusime ladit >> jen podle RSSI (je to realne?). Nicmene pokud byste mel nekdo zamerovani >> infra zvladle, dejte vedet, nerad bych umrzl na strese s ronjou v naruci >> (prestoze to muze znit romanticky). >> >> Pri testech na stole je vzdalenost bez packetlossu 2.8m a dal uz to >> neslo kuli absenci volneho prostoru, takze dosah by mel byt v poradku. >> Infra verze je podle modifikace co posilal pred casem Rys, jinak >> naprosto klasicka 130mm ronja. >> >> Dik za napady, >> Moti >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Nov 22 20:46:18 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Nov 22 20:46:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 svice Message-ID: <20041122204626Z1304444-7222+221265@mail.centrum.cz> trochu of topic, ale mozna se zasmejete. tuhle sem sel po hrbitove a tak sem koukal po hrobech a najednou mi jedna svicka prisla naka podivna. podivam se zblizka a co nevidim. plastovy vosk, plastovy plamen a v nem, zluta LEDka.... no maras...a este k tomu blikaci.... jesi si nekdy nekdo rekne, dedecek byl elektrikar, dame mu na hrob svicku na baterku... vstanu z mrtvych..... nevim jak je to v jinych castech republiky, ale k nam to proudi z polska :)... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Jakub S?kora > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:40:14 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] 2 svice > > Hlavne to nesmeji byt cajovy svice... to pak nefunguje :/ > > K > > Petr Seliger wrote: > > Pojede. Dokonce pojede i mezi HUBama. > > > > > >>asi hodnekrat zodpovezeny dotaz,ale prece, > >> > >>pojede twistr mezi dvema obyc svicema? aspon HD > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Nov 22 21:04:25 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Nov 22 21:04:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI Message-ID: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> chystam se udelat jednodissi merak rssi, chtel bych slyset vase pripominky,navrhy a tak..... mel by to byt jednoucelovy V-metr, s rozsahem do 5V. jednoduse: kabel z Rx,krabicka,kabl do serial portu v PC, jednoduchy programek. sloziteji: krabicka: AD prevodnik, asi 8 bit, maly atmel, max232, a seriovy port. programek by byl asi hodne jednoduchy, pozdeji bych asi dodelal i sledovani jinych bodu nez jenom na svoji ronji, napr. na druhe strane, bohuzel by to slo jenom kdyz by bylo spojeni ze, ale aspon tak....ale to az/jestli nastuduju potrebnou literaturu :)..... snazil sem se taky myslet na to ze se vam(i mi :) ) nebude chtit tahat dalsi kably na strechu, tak me napadlo, ze by se to udelalo tak, ze by se data posilaly po dratech ktere maji na starost vytapeni cocek. prenos. rychlost by byla hodne mala, ale na ty 2 bajty to staci.... vlastne by bezelo topeni, v jiz zminene krabicce by se nabil hodne vekly C ktery ji je schopny uzivit na par sekund aby se stihly vyslat data. pak se bude zase chvili topit, topeni se vypne, poslou data, topeni, data... a tak do zblbnuti... mozna je to reseni nerealne, nevim, raci se ptam... hlavne nevim co to udela na tech...30ti metrech nestineneho kablu.... ? From kubajz at kbx.cz Mon Nov 22 21:16:26 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_S=FDkora?=) Date: Mon Nov 22 21:16:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 svice In-Reply-To: <20041122204626Z1304444-7222+221265@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20041122204626Z1304444-7222+221265@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <41A2572A.7070000@kbx.cz> Myslim, ze to neni vubec OT. Mozna je to trochu morbidni, ale kazdy z teto konference by mel na svem hrobecku mit misto takoveho bastlu Ronju :) A mozna by se pak dalo komunikovat i se zahrobim :))) K Jakub Michn?k wrote: > trochu of topic, ale mozna se zasmejete. > tuhle sem sel po hrbitove a tak sem koukal po hrobech a najednou mi jedna svicka prisla naka podivna. podivam se zblizka a co nevidim. plastovy vosk, plastovy plamen a v nem, zluta LEDka.... no maras...a este k tomu blikaci.... jesi si nekdy nekdo rekne, dedecek byl elektrikar, dame mu na hrob svicku na baterku... vstanu z mrtvych..... nevim jak je to v jinych castech republiky, ale k nam to proudi z polska :)... > > ______________________________________________________________ > >>Od: Jakub S?kora >>Komu: Twibright Ronja >>Datum: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:40:14 +0100 >>P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] 2 svice >> >>Hlavne to nesmeji byt cajovy svice... to pak nefunguje :/ >> >>K >> >>Petr Seliger wrote: >> >>>Pojede. Dokonce pojede i mezi HUBama. >>> >>> >>> >>>>asi hodnekrat zodpovezeny dotaz,ale prece, >>>> >>>>pojede twistr mezi dvema obyc svicema? aspon HD >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Nov 22 21:41:29 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Nov 22 21:41:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede Message-ID: <200411222241.29539.ladmanj@volny.cz> Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s integrovanym trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema stabilizatory, FUNGUJE. Detaily zverejnim brzo. Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace PCB a pak autonegotiation. Jakub Ladman PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl "jenom" ten problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo v klidu na TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo presycene. V pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na protistrane v sitovce. From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Nov 22 22:02:32 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Nov 22 22:02:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani References: <1101133031.15558.67.camel@lama64> <001e01c4d0d1$5a13b600$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <000c01c4d0de$f7600a00$0101a8c0@cz> Vse rozumne (kdyz jsem mel fotak) je na : http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/ ale ted delam na necem co ma 980nm, takze pomocne foto by mohlo do budoucna byt. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Dvo??k" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani > hmm to je celkem vychytavka.. :) nemas nejake fotky z Vasi aiming akce? > > ROOTen > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:25:04 +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Ahoj Michale > > jsem rad , zes to tak postavil :) > > me to jelo na 3.2m, tahle infra LED je silnejsi nez F4000. > > Testoval jsem to na 400m, ale co vim tak nejdelsi spoj je asi 1600m. > > A kluci co to delali postupovali stejne jako ja. > > Veme se klasicka videokamera (VHS-C) a tou se na to kouka, ale je treba > > mit > > k teto > > videokamere pripojenej malej barevnej PAL videomonitor. > > Je treba co nejvice zazoomovat (priblizit) a zaostrit (z bodu od naproti > > ti > > muzou posvitit svitilnout a na tu se zamerit). > > Hodne pomaha stativ. > > > > Ze zkusenosti muzes rovnou zapomenout na digi fotak, ci na fotak ve > > founu. > > > > Ja si jeste treba pomaham videovysilackou PAL na 2.4GHz co ji maj v GME > > nebo > > v www.cts-kenwood.cz > > TX stoji 1750,- a RX to same, antena staci z Wifi a pak je ostreni > > super..online na sve TX strane vidis na monitoru > > protejsek :)) > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Toman" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:17 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani > > > > > >> Zdravim, > >> > >> mate zkusenost se zamerovanim infra spoje na vetsi vzdalenost? Vcera > >> jsme to zkouseli (800m) a je to zlo, nemluve o zime ;) > >> > >> Jeden smer byl videt ve fotaku jako tecka _zhruba_ se svitem > >> ekvivalentnim poulicni lampe ve stejne vzdalenosti. Osobne me prekvapilo > >> jak malo je fotak citlivy na infra (zamerovani pres den je podle me > >> vylouceno). Postup byl mit zazoomovany fotak na ten bod, sledovat > >> maximum svitu a hlasit stav zpet vysilackou. Stridave jsme ladili > >> ohnisko a smer. Nanestesti pro druhy smer to z nejakeho duvodu neslo a > >> nenasli jsme ten svetly bod od ronjy vubec (ronja svitila, overeno). > >> > >> Dalsi plan je sehnat kameru (0lux) a zkusit to znova. RX zkusime ladit > >> jen podle RSSI (je to realne?). Nicmene pokud byste mel nekdo zamerovani > >> infra zvladle, dejte vedet, nerad bych umrzl na strese s ronjou v naruci > >> (prestoze to muze znit romanticky). > >> > >> Pri testech na stole je vzdalenost bez packetlossu 2.8m a dal uz to > >> neslo kuli absenci volneho prostoru, takze dosah by mel byt v poradku. > >> Infra verze je podle modifikace co posilal pred casem Rys, jinak > >> naprosto klasicka 130mm ronja. > >> > >> Dik za napady, > >> Moti > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Nov 22 22:04:13 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Nov 22 22:04:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani References: <1101133031.15558.67.camel@lama64> <001e01c4d0d1$5a13b600$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <001501c4d0df$336bbe40$0101a8c0@cz> Jen TX, RX nefacha. Jinak je otestovano, ze pri pouziti 2x 130mm TX v tomto infra a 200mm fresnel na RX to beha na 2000m. Idlle byl na 2100m za 130mV (signal na stole 3.2m) -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Dvo??k" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani > Je mozne postavit INFRA verzi na PCB od Ondry Tesare? Nebo je tam potreba > neco upravit? > > ROOTen > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:25:04 +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Ahoj Michale > > jsem rad , zes to tak postavil :) > > me to jelo na 3.2m, tahle infra LED je silnejsi nez F4000. > > Testoval jsem to na 400m, ale co vim tak nejdelsi spoj je asi 1600m. > > A kluci co to delali postupovali stejne jako ja. > > Veme se klasicka videokamera (VHS-C) a tou se na to kouka, ale je treba > > mit > > k teto > > videokamere pripojenej malej barevnej PAL videomonitor. > > Je treba co nejvice zazoomovat (priblizit) a zaostrit (z bodu od naproti > > ti > > muzou posvitit svitilnout a na tu se zamerit). > > Hodne pomaha stativ. > > > > Ze zkusenosti muzes rovnou zapomenout na digi fotak, ci na fotak ve > > founu. > > > > Ja si jeste treba pomaham videovysilackou PAL na 2.4GHz co ji maj v GME > > nebo > > v www.cts-kenwood.cz > > TX stoji 1750,- a RX to same, antena staci z Wifi a pak je ostreni > > super..online na sve TX strane vidis na monitoru > > protejsek :)) > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Toman" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:17 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani > > > > > >> Zdravim, > >> > >> mate zkusenost se zamerovanim infra spoje na vetsi vzdalenost? Vcera > >> jsme to zkouseli (800m) a je to zlo, nemluve o zime ;) > >> > >> Jeden smer byl videt ve fotaku jako tecka _zhruba_ se svitem > >> ekvivalentnim poulicni lampe ve stejne vzdalenosti. Osobne me prekvapilo > >> jak malo je fotak citlivy na infra (zamerovani pres den je podle me > >> vylouceno). Postup byl mit zazoomovany fotak na ten bod, sledovat > >> maximum svitu a hlasit stav zpet vysilackou. Stridave jsme ladili > >> ohnisko a smer. Nanestesti pro druhy smer to z nejakeho duvodu neslo a > >> nenasli jsme ten svetly bod od ronjy vubec (ronja svitila, overeno). > >> > >> Dalsi plan je sehnat kameru (0lux) a zkusit to znova. RX zkusime ladit > >> jen podle RSSI (je to realne?). Nicmene pokud byste mel nekdo zamerovani > >> infra zvladle, dejte vedet, nerad bych umrzl na strese s ronjou v naruci > >> (prestoze to muze znit romanticky). > >> > >> Pri testech na stole je vzdalenost bez packetlossu 2.8m a dal uz to > >> neslo kuli absenci volneho prostoru, takze dosah by mel byt v poradku. > >> Infra verze je podle modifikace co posilal pred casem Rys, jinak > >> naprosto klasicka 130mm ronja. > >> > >> Dik za napady, > >> Moti > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From moti at pilsfree.net Mon Nov 22 19:49:30 2004 From: moti at pilsfree.net (Michal Toman) Date: Mon Nov 22 22:04:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani In-Reply-To: References: <1101133031.15558.67.camel@lama64> <001e01c4d0d1$5a13b600$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <1101152970.6088.15.camel@book> Cau, je to mozne urcite, protoze kamarad uz udelal elektroniku na 2 spoje na plosnaku v SMD verzi s infra modifikaci (stejne zmeny jako u vrabcaka). Beha to pres 3 metry, osobne jsem videl a je to super vec :) Na detaily bych se musel zeptat. Rysovi dekuju za informace, i kdyz me moc nepotesil. Zitra zkusim naladit alespon jedno RX a az rozmrznu, tak se ozvu :) Moti On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 21:35 +0100, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > Je mozne postavit INFRA verzi na PCB od Ondry Tesare? Nebo je tam potreba > neco upravit? > > ROOTen > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:25:04 +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Ahoj Michale > > jsem rad , zes to tak postavil :) > > me to jelo na 3.2m, tahle infra LED je silnejsi nez F4000. > > Testoval jsem to na 400m, ale co vim tak nejdelsi spoj je asi 1600m. > > A kluci co to delali postupovali stejne jako ja. > > Veme se klasicka videokamera (VHS-C) a tou se na to kouka, ale je treba > > mit > > k teto > > videokamere pripojenej malej barevnej PAL videomonitor. > > Je treba co nejvice zazoomovat (priblizit) a zaostrit (z bodu od naproti > > ti > > muzou posvitit svitilnout a na tu se zamerit). > > Hodne pomaha stativ. > > > > Ze zkusenosti muzes rovnou zapomenout na digi fotak, ci na fotak ve > > founu. > > > > Ja si jeste treba pomaham videovysilackou PAL na 2.4GHz co ji maj v GME > > nebo > > v www.cts-kenwood.cz > > TX stoji 1750,- a RX to same, antena staci z Wifi a pak je ostreni > > super..online na sve TX strane vidis na monitoru > > protejsek :)) > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Toman" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:17 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani > > > > > >> Zdravim, > >> > >> mate zkusenost se zamerovanim infra spoje na vetsi vzdalenost? Vcera > >> jsme to zkouseli (800m) a je to zlo, nemluve o zime ;) > >> > >> Jeden smer byl videt ve fotaku jako tecka _zhruba_ se svitem > >> ekvivalentnim poulicni lampe ve stejne vzdalenosti. Osobne me prekvapilo > >> jak malo je fotak citlivy na infra (zamerovani pres den je podle me > >> vylouceno). Postup byl mit zazoomovany fotak na ten bod, sledovat > >> maximum svitu a hlasit stav zpet vysilackou. Stridave jsme ladili > >> ohnisko a smer. Nanestesti pro druhy smer to z nejakeho duvodu neslo a > >> nenasli jsme ten svetly bod od ronjy vubec (ronja svitila, overeno). > >> > >> Dalsi plan je sehnat kameru (0lux) a zkusit to znova. RX zkusime ladit > >> jen podle RSSI (je to realne?). Nicmene pokud byste mel nekdo zamerovani > >> infra zvladle, dejte vedet, nerad bych umrzl na strese s ronjou v naruci > >> (prestoze to muze znit romanticky). > >> > >> Pri testech na stole je vzdalenost bez packetlossu 2.8m a dal uz to > >> neslo kuli absenci volneho prostoru, takze dosah by mel byt v poradku. > >> Infra verze je podle modifikace co posilal pred casem Rys, jinak > >> naprosto klasicka 130mm ronja. > >> > >> Dik za napady, > >> Moti > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Nov 22 22:05:39 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Nov 22 22:05:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede References: <200411222241.29539.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002001c4d0df$66f2f760$0101a8c0@cz> No vidis, Silvije to uz pred 3 mesici vyresil s AVR Atmel i s autonegation. Ale myslim, ze Xilinx je levnejsi. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. > > Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s integrovanym > trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema stabilizatory, FUNGUJE. > Detaily zverejnim brzo. > Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace PCB a pak > autonegotiation. > Jakub Ladman > > PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl "jenom" ten > problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo v klidu na > TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo presycene. V > pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na protistrane > v sitovce. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Nov 22 22:09:14 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Nov 22 22:09:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI References: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> Je to realne (me to tak bezi..9k6 dolu do Linuxe). Jde dokonce posilat data po napajecim kabelu , ale musis upravit zacatek a konec napajeni. Je treba udelat do Atmela vychytavku (kalibrace asi do 93c46), aby hodnoty byly stejne na vsech Ronjah. Kazdej ma jine vysledky na RX v mV a tak by bylo tam dat nejakou prevodni kalibraci, nebo doladit RX, aby vsechny kusy meli stejnou uroven. -=RYS=- PS: Dnesni Atmely uz maj 12b AD v sobe a dokonce i ten MAX232c tez... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:04 PM Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI > chystam se udelat jednodissi merak rssi, chtel bych slyset vase pripominky,navrhy a tak..... > > mel by to byt jednoucelovy V-metr, s rozsahem do 5V. jednoduse: kabel z Rx,krabicka,kabl do serial portu v PC, jednoduchy programek. > > sloziteji: krabicka: AD prevodnik, asi 8 bit, maly atmel, max232, a seriovy port. > programek by byl asi hodne jednoduchy, pozdeji bych asi dodelal i sledovani jinych bodu nez jenom na svoji ronji, napr. na druhe strane, bohuzel by to slo jenom kdyz by bylo spojeni ze, ale aspon tak....ale to az/jestli nastuduju potrebnou literaturu :)..... > snazil sem se taky myslet na to ze se vam(i mi :) ) nebude chtit tahat dalsi kably na strechu, tak me napadlo, ze by se to udelalo tak, ze by se data posilaly po dratech ktere maji na starost vytapeni cocek. prenos. rychlost by byla hodne mala, ale na ty 2 bajty to staci.... vlastne by bezelo topeni, v jiz zminene krabicce by se nabil hodne vekly C ktery ji je schopny uzivit na par sekund aby se stihly vyslat data. pak se bude zase chvili topit, topeni se vypne, poslou data, topeni, data... a tak do zblbnuti... mozna je to reseni nerealne, nevim, raci se ptam... hlavne nevim co to udela na tech...30ti metrech nestineneho kablu.... > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From mhubb at okcareertech.org Mon Nov 22 22:18:42 2004 From: mhubb at okcareertech.org (Matt Hubbard) Date: Mon Nov 22 22:19:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Range for 100Mbps Ronja Message-ID: <200411221618.42778.mhubb@okcareertech.org> What is the expected range for the laser-based 100Mbps Ronja? Matt From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Nov 22 22:22:09 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Nov 22 22:22:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede In-Reply-To: <002001c4d0df$66f2f760$0101a8c0@cz> References: <200411222241.29539.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002001c4d0df$66f2f760$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <1096765892.20041122232209@volny.cz> Nejaky odkaz na jeho pocin? Ondra R> No vidis, Silvije to uz pred 3 mesici vyresil s AVR Atmel i s autonegation. R> Ale myslim, ze Xilinx je levnejsi. R> -=RYS=- R> ----- Original Message ----- R> From: "Jakub Ladman" R> To: R> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:41 PM R> Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede >> Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. >> >> Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s integrovanym >> trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema stabilizatory, R> FUNGUJE. >> Detaily zverejnim brzo. >> Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace PCB a pak >> autonegotiation. >> Jakub Ladman >> >> PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl "jenom" R> ten >> problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo v klidu R> na >> TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo presycene. V >> pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na R> protistrane >> v sitovce. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> R> _______________________________________________ R> Ronja mailing list R> Ronja@lists.pointless.net R> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Nov 22 22:26:42 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Nov 22 22:26:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra zamerovani In-Reply-To: <1101133031.15558.67.camel@lama64> References: <1101133031.15558.67.camel@lama64> Message-ID: <363513241.20041122232642@volny.cz> Moje doporuceni po osobni zkusenosti zni: zamerit s cervenyma LEDkama, postavit funkcni spoj. Pak jenom vytahnout Tx a prepajet cervenou LED za IR LED. A pak maximalne trochu dostelovat. Ted jsme zkouseli vylepseni zamerovani a to sice tak, ze se tam misto tech gum da toto: HlavaSroubu-Lko-matka--------matka-Lko-matka-samojistici_matka. Takto ve 3 osach. Vyhodou je velmi jemne zamerovani, co jsem mel moznost si zatocit tak bych rekl, ze je to jemnejsi nez ta guma a vysledek je velmi tuhy. Jinak zamerovano na odrazky. Ondra MT> Zdravim, MT> mate zkusenost se zamerovanim infra spoje na vetsi vzdalenost? Vcera MT> jsme to zkouseli (800m) a je to zlo, nemluve o zime ;) MT> Jeden smer byl videt ve fotaku jako tecka _zhruba_ se svitem MT> ekvivalentnim poulicni lampe ve stejne vzdalenosti. Osobne me prekvapilo MT> jak malo je fotak citlivy na infra (zamerovani pres den je podle me MT> vylouceno). Postup byl mit zazoomovany fotak na ten bod, sledovat MT> maximum svitu a hlasit stav zpet vysilackou. Stridave jsme ladili MT> ohnisko a smer. Nanestesti pro druhy smer to z nejakeho duvodu neslo a MT> nenasli jsme ten svetly bod od ronjy vubec (ronja svitila, overeno). MT> Dalsi plan je sehnat kameru (0lux) a zkusit to znova. RX zkusime ladit MT> jen podle RSSI (je to realne?). Nicmene pokud byste mel nekdo zamerovani MT> infra zvladle, dejte vedet, nerad bych umrzl na strese s ronjou v naruci MT> (prestoze to muze znit romanticky). MT> Pri testech na stole je vzdalenost bez packetlossu 2.8m a dal uz to MT> neslo kuli absenci volneho prostoru, takze dosah by mel byt v poradku. MT> Infra verze je podle modifikace co posilal pred casem Rys, jinak MT> naprosto klasicka 130mm ronja. MT> Dik za napady, MT> Moti MT> _______________________________________________ MT> Ronja mailing list MT> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MT> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Nov 22 22:30:16 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Nov 22 22:30:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <34661976.20041122233016@volny.cz> Snad se Standa nebude zlobit: merak je zde, mozna jeste chybi finalni verze DPS s konektorama, ale i tohle jede: http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/ Tady je postup, jak to nacpat do grafu... http://revolter.podoli.org/ A pro ty co jsou v CZF je tad vysledek: http://10.27.73.13/ronja.htm Ondra JM> chystam se udelat jednodissi merak rssi, chtel bych slyset JM> vase pripominky,navrhy a tak..... JM> mel by to byt jednoucelovy V-metr, s rozsahem do 5V. JM> jednoduse: kabel z Rx,krabicka,kabl do serial portu v PC, JM> jednoduchy programek. JM> sloziteji: krabicka: AD prevodnik, asi 8 bit, maly atmel, max232, a seriovy port. JM> programek by byl asi hodne jednoduchy, pozdeji bych asi JM> dodelal i sledovani jinych bodu nez jenom na svoji ronji, napr. na JM> druhe strane, bohuzel by to slo jenom kdyz by bylo spojeni ze, ale JM> aspon tak....ale to az/jestli nastuduju potrebnou literaturu JM> :)..... JM> snazil sem se taky myslet na to ze se vam(i mi :) ) nebude JM> chtit tahat dalsi kably na strechu, tak me napadlo, ze by se to JM> udelalo tak, ze by se data posilaly po dratech ktere maji na JM> starost vytapeni cocek. prenos. rychlost by byla hodne mala, ale JM> na ty 2 bajty to staci.... vlastne by bezelo topeni, v jiz zminene JM> krabicce by se nabil hodne vekly C ktery ji je schopny uzivit na JM> par sekund aby se stihly vyslat data. pak se bude zase chvili JM> topit, topeni se vypne, poslou data, topeni, data... a tak do JM> zblbnuti... mozna je to reseni nerealne, nevim, raci se ptam... JM> hlavne nevim co to udela na tech...30ti metrech nestineneho JM> kablu.... JM> ? JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Nov 22 22:32:06 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Nov 22 22:32:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede In-Reply-To: <002001c4d0df$66f2f760$0101a8c0@cz> References: <200411222241.29539.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002001c4d0df$66f2f760$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200411222332.06708.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Monday 22 November 2004 23:05, -=RYS=- wrote: > No vidis, Silvije to uz pred 3 mesici vyresil s AVR Atmel i s autonegation. To je nejaka kravina, nebo nepresnost, protoze to AVR nemuze stihat, a je to celkem slusne rychlej jednocip. Uz jsem s AVR dost veci udelal, tak to musim vedet. AVR muze maximalne do nejakyho registru uploadovat data, ktery se pak jako autonego vysilaji. Uz jsem tu autonego dokumentaci dlouho nevidel, tak si to nepamatuju, ale i kdyby jeden bit byl dlouhej jako jeden link puls tak to je 125ns a to proste odvysilat avrko nestihne, kdyz ma zaroven i resit detekce paketu a prepinani. Je to pocitac a tak dela veci postupne, podle porgramu. Xilinx je programovatelna logika, kde vsechno bezi soucasne stejne jako s diskretnimi 74xx obvody. Jakub Ladman > Ale myslim, ze Xilinx je levnejsi. > > -=RYS=- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:41 PM > Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > > > Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. > > > > Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s integrovanym > > trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema stabilizatory, > > FUNGUJE. > > > Detaily zverejnim brzo. > > Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace PCB a pak > > autonegotiation. > > Jakub Ladman > > > > PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl "jenom" > > ten > > > problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo v klidu > > na > > > TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo presycene. V > > pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na > > protistrane > > > v sitovce. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Nov 23 00:26:33 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Nov 23 00:26:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede References: <200411222241.29539.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002001c4d0df$66f2f760$0101a8c0@cz> <1096765892.20041122232209@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000601c4d0f3$15df42c0$0101a8c0@cz> http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~discover/devices/miniTPreadme.txt http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~discover/uredjaji.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:22 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > Nejaky odkaz na jeho pocin? > > Ondra > > R> No vidis, Silvije to uz pred 3 mesici vyresil s AVR Atmel i s autonegation. > R> Ale myslim, ze Xilinx je levnejsi. > > R> -=RYS=- > > > > R> ----- Original Message ----- > R> From: "Jakub Ladman" > R> To: > R> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:41 PM > R> Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > > > >> Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. > >> > >> Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s integrovanym > >> trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema stabilizatory, > R> FUNGUJE. > >> Detaily zverejnim brzo. > >> Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace PCB a pak > >> autonegotiation. > >> Jakub Ladman > >> > >> PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl "jenom" > R> ten > >> problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo v klidu > R> na > >> TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo presycene. V > >> pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na > R> protistrane > >> v sitovce. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > R> _______________________________________________ > R> Ronja mailing list > R> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > R> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Nov 23 00:32:31 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Nov 23 00:32:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede References: <200411222241.29539.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002001c4d0df$66f2f760$0101a8c0@cz> <200411222332.06708.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <003f01c4d0f3$eb5baa60$0101a8c0@cz> No pravdu mas..neni to tak docela jen AVR, ale i ty 74x kolem. Ale jen 3 jsou :) -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > On Monday 22 November 2004 23:05, -=RYS=- wrote: > > No vidis, Silvije to uz pred 3 mesici vyresil s AVR Atmel i s autonegation. > To je nejaka kravina, nebo nepresnost, protoze to AVR nemuze stihat, a je to > celkem slusne rychlej jednocip. > Uz jsem s AVR dost veci udelal, tak to musim vedet. > AVR muze maximalne do nejakyho registru uploadovat data, ktery se pak jako > autonego vysilaji. > Uz jsem tu autonego dokumentaci dlouho nevidel, tak si to nepamatuju, ale i > kdyby jeden bit byl dlouhej jako jeden link puls tak to je 125ns a to proste > odvysilat avrko nestihne, kdyz ma zaroven i resit detekce paketu a prepinani. > Je to pocitac a tak dela veci postupne, podle porgramu. > Xilinx je programovatelna logika, kde vsechno bezi soucasne stejne jako s > diskretnimi 74xx obvody. > Jakub Ladman > > Ale myslim, ze Xilinx je levnejsi. > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:41 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > > > > > Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. > > > > > > Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s integrovanym > > > trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema stabilizatory, > > > > FUNGUJE. > > > > > Detaily zverejnim brzo. > > > Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace PCB a pak > > > autonegotiation. > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl "jenom" > > > > ten > > > > > problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo v klidu > > > > na > > > > > TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo presycene. V > > > pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na > > > > protistrane > > > > > v sitovce. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Nov 23 07:18:21 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Nov 23 07:18:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede In-Reply-To: <000601c4d0f3$15df42c0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <200411222241.29539.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002001c4d0df$66f2f760$0101a8c0@cz> <1096765892.20041122232209@volny.cz> <000601c4d0f3$15df42c0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <1597309090.20041123081821@volny.cz> A schemata od toho nepustil? Ondra R> http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~discover/devices/miniTPreadme.txt R> http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~discover/uredjaji.htm R> ----- Original Message ----- R> From: "Ondrej Tesar" R> To: "Twibright Ronja" R> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:22 PM R> Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede >> Nejaky odkaz na jeho pocin? >> >> Ondra >> >> R> No vidis, Silvije to uz pred 3 mesici vyresil s AVR Atmel i s R> autonegation. >> R> Ale myslim, ze Xilinx je levnejsi. >> >> R> -=RYS=- >> >> >> >> R> ----- Original Message ----- >> R> From: "Jakub Ladman" >> R> To: >> R> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:41 PM >> R> Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede >> >> >> >> Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. >> >> >> >> Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s R> integrovanym >> >> trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema stabilizatory, >> R> FUNGUJE. >> >> Detaily zverejnim brzo. >> >> Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace PCB a R> pak >> >> autonegotiation. >> >> Jakub Ladman >> >> >> >> PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl R> "jenom" >> R> ten >> >> problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo v R> klidu >> R> na >> >> TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo presycene. R> V >> >> pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na >> R> protistrane >> >> v sitovce. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ronja mailing list >> >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> >> >> >> R> _______________________________________________ >> R> Ronja mailing list >> R> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> R> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> R> _______________________________________________ R> Ronja mailing list R> Ronja@lists.pointless.net R> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Nov 23 07:31:13 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Nov 23 07:31:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede References: <200411222241.29539.ladmanj@volny.cz><002001c4d0df$66f2f760$0101a8c0@cz><200411222332.06708.ladmanj@volny.cz> <003f01c4d0f3$eb5baa60$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <002501c4d12e$693be410$0103450a@thechosen> ja myslim ze to pujde ;) autoneg burst je maximalne 32 pulzu na 2ms (zakladni verze kde neni giganet) coz je diference 62,5us. jak ten pulz musi byt siroky nevim ale tak jak to posila twister snad ani ne. avr nageneruje autoneg, idle signal, packet nadetekujes jinde, posles si to do avr, napocitas nejake spozdeni na packet abynepreklapel hned zpatky a preklopis misto idle data. mozna sme to zjednodusil :) nemusis data hnat pres program. ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > No pravdu mas..neni to tak docela jen AVR, ale i ty 74x kolem. > Ale jen 3 jsou :) > > -=RYS=- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > > > > On Monday 22 November 2004 23:05, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > No vidis, Silvije to uz pred 3 mesici vyresil s AVR Atmel i s > autonegation. > > To je nejaka kravina, nebo nepresnost, protoze to AVR nemuze stihat, a je > to > > celkem slusne rychlej jednocip. > > Uz jsem s AVR dost veci udelal, tak to musim vedet. > > AVR muze maximalne do nejakyho registru uploadovat data, ktery se pak jako > > autonego vysilaji. > > Uz jsem tu autonego dokumentaci dlouho nevidel, tak si to nepamatuju, ale > i > > kdyby jeden bit byl dlouhej jako jeden link puls tak to je 125ns a to > proste > > odvysilat avrko nestihne, kdyz ma zaroven i resit detekce paketu a > prepinani. > > Je to pocitac a tak dela veci postupne, podle porgramu. > > Xilinx je programovatelna logika, kde vsechno bezi soucasne stejne jako s > > diskretnimi 74xx obvody. > > Jakub Ladman > > > Ale myslim, ze Xilinx je levnejsi. > > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:41 PM > > > Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > > > > > > > Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. > > > > > > > > Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s > integrovanym > > > > trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema stabilizatory, > > > > > > FUNGUJE. > > > > > > > Detaily zverejnim brzo. > > > > Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace PCB a > pak > > > > autonegotiation. > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > > > PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl > "jenom" > > > > > > ten > > > > > > > problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo v > klidu > > > > > > na > > > > > > > TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo > presycene. V > > > > pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na > > > > > > protistrane > > > > > > > v sitovce. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From schum at seznam.cz Tue Nov 23 07:47:42 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Tue Nov 23 07:47:46 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Merak=20RSSI?= In-Reply-To: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <22065.18387-17924-1353921332-1101196062@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Jakub Michn?k" Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Merak RSSI Datum (Date): 22. 11. 2004 22:04 ================================================== < chystam se udelat jednodissi merak rssi, chtel bych slyset vase pripominky,navrhy a tak..... < < mel by to byt jednoucelovy V-metr, s rozsahem do 5V. jednoduse: kabel z Rx,krabicka,kabl do serial portu v PC, jednoduchy programek. < < sloziteji: krabicka: AD prevodnik, asi 8 bit, maly atmel, max232, a seriovy port. < programek by byl asi hodne jednoduchy, pozdeji bych asi dodelal i sledovani jinych bodu nez jenom na svoji ronji, napr. na druhe strane, bohuzel by to slo jenom kdyz by bylo spojeni ze, ale aspon tak....ale to az/jestli nastuduju potrebnou literaturu :)..... < snazil sem se taky myslet na to ze se vam(i mi :) ) nebude chtit tahat dalsi kably na strechu, tak me napadlo, ze by se to udelalo tak, ze by se data posilaly po dratech ktere maji na starost vytapeni cocek. prenos. rychlost by byla hodne mala, ale na ty 2 bajty to staci.... vlastne by bezelo topeni, v jiz zminene krabicce by se nabil hodne vekly C ktery ji je schopny uzivit na par sekund aby se stihly vyslat data. pak se bude zase chvili topit, topeni se vypne, poslou data, topeni, data... a tak do zblbnuti... mozna je to reseni nerealne, nevim, raci se ptam... hlavne nevim co to udela na tech...30ti metrech nestineneho kablu.... < < ? < < _______________________________________________ < Ronja mailing list < Ronja@lists.pointless.net < http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Ach jo, to je presne ta situace kdy dva delaji totez. Prave jsem dokoncil prvni prototyp obdobneho meraku. Obsahuje 89C2051, MAX232 2mistny display a nejakou bizuterii okolo. Atmel funguje jako integracni A/D prevodnik, seriove pres 74HC164 budi ten display, na display se zobrazuje hodnota umerna napeti z detektoru prijimace, stejne cislo je vysilano pres RS232 kamkoli dale. Citlivost se nastavi pri prekladu. Mirek ____________________________________________________________ http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=80833 From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Nov 23 07:52:43 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Nov 23 07:53:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede In-Reply-To: <002501c4d12e$693be410$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <41A2FA5B.19150.219120@localhost> Jde to i s PICem, jen ty 100ns LIT pulsy se delaj MKOckem za uPC. Prusvih je ten ze to nefunguje na 100procent. Bud se autonegotiatinon musi "dokecat" pres optiku s druhou stranou, coz u Ronji je docela problem. Ja jsem to resil, kdyz se na jedne strane prepne na autonegotiation tak leze na optice idle 1,250MHz, druha strana se taky pokusi domluvit fullduplex a kdyz se povede tak taky hodi 1,250MHz, kdyz se nepove tak 1,000MHz a obe strany spadnou na halfduplex. Nebo se "dokecava" mezi Ronja interfacem a swicem,... coz se zase musi osetrit na obou stranach manualne prepinacem. (Coz na az na prepinac je asi pripad Silvije) Dalsi otazka je jak si Xilinxove a dalsi poradi se sumem z nepovedenych RXek. Proto jsem tyhle hratky odlozil az prijde beta verze plosnaku na RXka z vyroby. > ja myslim ze to pujde ;) > autoneg burst je maximalne 32 pulzu na 2ms (zakladni verze kde neni giganet) > coz je diference 62,5us. jak ten pulz musi byt siroky nevim ale tak jak to > posila twister snad ani ne. avr nageneruje autoneg, idle signal, packet > nadetekujes jinde, posles si to do avr, napocitas nejake spozdeni na packet > abynepreklapel hned zpatky a preklopis misto idle data. mozna sme to > zjednodusil :) nemusis data hnat pres program. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "-=RYS=-" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > > > > No pravdu mas..neni to tak docela jen AVR, ale i ty 74x kolem. > > Ale jen 3 jsou :) > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > > > > > > > On Monday 22 November 2004 23:05, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > No vidis, Silvije to uz pred 3 mesici vyresil s AVR Atmel i s > > autonegation. > > > To je nejaka kravina, nebo nepresnost, protoze to AVR nemuze stihat, a > je > > to > > > celkem slusne rychlej jednocip. > > > Uz jsem s AVR dost veci udelal, tak to musim vedet. > > > AVR muze maximalne do nejakyho registru uploadovat data, ktery se pak > jako > > > autonego vysilaji. > > > Uz jsem tu autonego dokumentaci dlouho nevidel, tak si to nepamatuju, > ale > > i > > > kdyby jeden bit byl dlouhej jako jeden link puls tak to je 125ns a to > > proste > > > odvysilat avrko nestihne, kdyz ma zaroven i resit detekce paketu a > > prepinani. > > > Je to pocitac a tak dela veci postupne, podle porgramu. > > > Xilinx je programovatelna logika, kde vsechno bezi soucasne stejne jako > s > > > diskretnimi 74xx obvody. > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > Ale myslim, ze Xilinx je levnejsi. > > > > > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:41 PM > > > > Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > > > > > > > > > Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. > > > > > > > > > > Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s > > integrovanym > > > > > trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema stabilizatory, > > > > > > > > FUNGUJE. > > > > > > > > > Detaily zverejnim brzo. > > > > > Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace PCB > a > > pak > > > > > autonegotiation. > > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > > > > > PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl > > "jenom" > > > > > > > > ten > > > > > > > > > problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo v > > klidu > > > > > > > > na > > > > > > > > > TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo > > presycene. V > > > > > pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na > > > > > > > > protistrane > > > > > > > > > v sitovce. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Nov 23 07:56:17 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Nov 23 07:57:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <22065.18387-17924-1353921332-1101196062@email.seznam.cz> References: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <41A2FB31.32644.24D4F7@localhost> Asi tak, mam na stole prevodnik napeti/frekvence 0..10V/0..10kHz + program co meri frekvenci na seriovem portu PC. Soucastky asi za 100Kc a jediny problem je ze to nejak haluzi mezi 0V az 0,8V. > > < chystam se udelat jednodissi merak rssi, chtel bych slyset vase pripominky,navrhy a tak..... > < > < mel by to byt jednoucelovy V-metr, s rozsahem do 5V. jednoduse: kabel z Rx,krabicka,kabl do serial portu v PC, jednoduchy programek. > < > < sloziteji: krabicka: AD prevodnik, asi 8 bit, maly atmel, max232, a seriovy port. > < programek by byl asi hodne jednoduchy, pozdeji bych asi dodelal i sledovani jinych bodu nez jenom na svoji ronji, napr. na druhe strane, bohuzel by to slo jenom kdyz by bylo spojeni ze, ale aspon tak....ale to az/jestli nastuduju potrebnou literaturu :)..... > < snazil sem se taky myslet na to ze se vam(i mi :) ) nebude chtit tahat dalsi kably na strechu, tak me napadlo, ze by se to udelalo tak, ze by se data posilaly po dratech ktere maji na starost vytapeni cocek. prenos. rychlost by byla hodne mala, ale na ty 2 bajty to staci.... vlastne by bezelo topeni, v jiz zminene krabicce by se nabil hodne vekly C ktery ji je schopny uzivit na par sekund aby se stihly vyslat data. pak se bude zase chvili topit, topeni se vypne, poslou data, topeni, data... a tak do zblbnuti... mozna je to reseni nerealne, nevim, raci se ptam... hlavne nevim co to udela na tech...30ti metrech nestineneho kablu.... > < > < ? > < > < _______________________________________________ > < Ronja mailing list > < Ronja@lists.pointless.net > < http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Ach jo, to je presne ta situace kdy dva delaji totez. > Prave jsem dokoncil prvni prototyp obdobneho meraku. > Obsahuje 89C2051, MAX232 2mistny display a nejakou bizuterii okolo. Atmel funguje jako integracni A/D prevodnik, seriove pres 74HC164 budi ten display, na display se zobrazuje hodnota umerna napeti z detektoru prijimace, stejne cislo je vysilano pres RS232 kamkoli dale. Citlivost se nastavi pri prekladu. > > > Mirek > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=80833 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Nov 23 08:01:39 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Nov 23 08:01:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <22065.18387-17924-1353921332-1101196062@email.seznam.cz> References: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> <22065.18387-17924-1353921332-1101196062@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <162821516.20041123090139@volny.cz> Jakej je odber toho meraku? U toho naseho byl problem, ze ten display zral hodne.... Displej ukazuje primo cislo ve V (mV) nebo nejake cislo obecne? Ten nas ukazuje cislo obecne a to jeste na diodach, ale je mozne tam dat i display.... Umi ten tvuj piskat podle sily signalu? Nas ne a hodilo by se to. Nevim jak je ten tvuj citlivej, ale tenhle ma nejmensi rozsah 0-35mV coz si myslim ze je extra jemne, vhodne pro prvni zachyceni..... Ondra sm> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= sm> Od (From): "Jakub Michn?k" sm> Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net sm> Kopie (Cc): sm> P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Merak RSSI sm> Datum (Date): 22. 11. 2004 22:04 sm> ================================================== sm> < chystam se udelat jednodissi merak rssi, chtel bych slyset sm> vase pripominky,navrhy a tak..... sm> < sm> < mel by to byt jednoucelovy V-metr, s rozsahem do 5V. sm> jednoduse: kabel z Rx,krabicka,kabl do serial portu v PC, sm> jednoduchy programek. sm> < sm> < sloziteji: krabicka: AD prevodnik, asi 8 bit, maly atmel, max232, a seriovy port. sm> < programek by byl asi hodne jednoduchy, pozdeji bych asi sm> dodelal i sledovani jinych bodu nez jenom na svoji ronji, napr. na sm> druhe strane, bohuzel by to slo jenom kdyz by bylo spojeni ze, ale sm> aspon tak....ale to az/jestli nastuduju potrebnou literaturu sm> :)..... sm> < snazil sem se taky myslet na to ze se vam(i mi :) ) nebude sm> chtit tahat dalsi kably na strechu, tak me napadlo, ze by se to sm> udelalo tak, ze by se data posilaly po dratech ktere maji na sm> starost vytapeni cocek. prenos. rychlost by byla hodne mala, ale sm> na ty 2 bajty to staci.... vlastne by bezelo topeni, v jiz zminene sm> krabicce by se nabil hodne vekly C ktery ji je schopny uzivit na sm> par sekund aby se stihly vyslat data. pak se bude zase chvili sm> topit, topeni se vypne, poslou data, topeni, data... a tak do sm> zblbnuti... mozna je to reseni nerealne, nevim, raci se ptam... sm> hlavne nevim co to udela na tech...30ti metrech nestineneho sm> kablu.... sm> < sm> < ? sm> < sm> < _______________________________________________ sm> < Ronja mailing list sm> < Ronja@lists.pointless.net sm> < http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja sm> Ach jo, to je presne ta situace kdy dva delaji totez. sm> Prave jsem dokoncil prvni prototyp obdobneho meraku. sm> Obsahuje 89C2051, MAX232 2mistny display a nejakou bizuterii sm> okolo. Atmel funguje jako integracni A/D prevodnik, seriove pres sm> 74HC164 budi ten display, na display se zobrazuje hodnota umerna sm> napeti z detektoru prijimace, stejne cislo je vysilano pres RS232 sm> kamkoli dale. Citlivost se nastavi pri prekladu. sm> Mirek sm> ____________________________________________________________ sm> http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz sm> http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=80833 sm> _______________________________________________ sm> Ronja mailing list sm> Ronja@lists.pointless.net sm> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Nov 23 08:25:27 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Nov 23 08:25:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede In-Reply-To: <41A2FA5B.19150.219120@localhost> References: <41A2FA5B.19150.219120@localhost> Message-ID: <200411230925.27470.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Tuesday 23 November 2004 08:52, Petr Seliger wrote: > Jde to i s PICem, jen ty 100ns LIT pulsy se delaj MKOckem za uPC. > Prusvih je ten ze to nefunguje na 100procent. Bud se autonegotiatinon musi > "dokecat" pres optiku s druhou stranou, coz u Ronji je docela problem. Ja > jsem to resil, kdyz se na jedne strane prepne na autonegotiation tak leze > na optice idle 1,250MHz, druha strana se taky pokusi domluvit fullduplex a > kdyz se povede tak taky hodi 1,250MHz, kdyz se nepove tak 1,000MHz a obe > strany spadnou na halfduplex. > Nebo se "dokecava" mezi Ronja interfacem a swicem,... coz se zase musi > osetrit na obou stranach manualne prepinacem. (Coz na az na prepinac je asi > pripad Silvije) > > Dalsi otazka je jak si Xilinxove a dalsi poradi se sumem z nepovedenych > RXek. Proto jsem tyhle hratky odlozil az prijde beta verze plosnaku na RXka > z vyroby. > > > ja myslim ze to pujde ;) > > autoneg burst je maximalne 32 pulzu na 2ms (zakladni verze kde neni > > giganet) coz je diference 62,5us. jak ten pulz musi byt siroky nevim ale > > tak jak to posila twister snad ani ne. avr nageneruje autoneg, idle > > signal, packet nadetekujes jinde, posles si to do avr, napocitas nejake > > spozdeni na packet abynepreklapel hned zpatky a preklopis misto idle > > data. mozna sme to zjednodusil :) nemusis data hnat pres program. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "-=RYS=-" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > > > > > No pravdu mas..neni to tak docela jen AVR, ale i ty 74x kolem. > > > Ale jen 3 jsou :) > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > > > > > > > On Monday 22 November 2004 23:05, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > > No vidis, Silvije to uz pred 3 mesici vyresil s AVR Atmel i s > > > > > > autonegation. > > > > > > > To je nejaka kravina, nebo nepresnost, protoze to AVR nemuze stihat, > > > > a > > > > je > > > > > to > > > > > > > celkem slusne rychlej jednocip. > > > > Uz jsem s AVR dost veci udelal, tak to musim vedet. > > > > AVR muze maximalne do nejakyho registru uploadovat data, ktery se pak > > > > jako > > > > > > autonego vysilaji. > > > > Uz jsem tu autonego dokumentaci dlouho nevidel, tak si to nepamatuju, > > > > ale > > > > > i > > > > > > > kdyby jeden bit byl dlouhej jako jeden link puls tak to je 125ns a to > > > > > > proste > > > > > > > odvysilat avrko nestihne, kdyz ma zaroven i resit detekce paketu a > > > > > > prepinani. > > > > > > > Je to pocitac a tak dela veci postupne, podle porgramu. > > > > Xilinx je programovatelna logika, kde vsechno bezi soucasne stejne > > > > jako > > > > s > > > > > > diskretnimi 74xx obvody. > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > > > > Ale myslim, ze Xilinx je levnejsi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:41 PM > > > > > Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede > > > > > > > > > > > Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. > > > > > > > > > > > > Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s > > > > > > integrovanym > > > > > > > > > trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema > > > > > > stabilizatory, > > > > > > > > > > FUNGUJE. > > > > > > > > > > > Detaily zverejnim brzo. > > > > > > Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace > > > > > > PCB > > > > a > > > > > pak > > > > > > > > > autonegotiation. > > > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl > > > > > > "jenom" > > > > > > > > ten > > > > > > > > > > > problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo > > > > > > v > > > > > > klidu > > > > > > > > na > > > > > > > > > > > TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo > > > > > > presycene. V > > > > > > > > > pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na > > > > > > > > > > protistrane > > > > > > > > > > > v sitovce. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From bobriks at volny.cz Tue Nov 23 10:57:43 2004 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Tue Nov 23 10:57:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <776345e79c580b6d5eac45338936580d@www3.mail.volny.cz> > http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/ > Problemem celeho RSSI meraku s Atmelem je dotahnout veci do finale pro siroke publikum! Na stole, s laboratornim zdrojem a v bastlu jede vsechno bajecne. V praktickem nasazeni u Ondry se vsak ukazala potreba techto vychytavek: 1) Integrace Uin. Vystupni napeti RSSI z RX Ronji zrejme obsahuje sum nebo nejake pulsy, na nez prevodnik v Atmelu pohotove reaguje. Pak se rychle preskakujici udaj na LED bargraphu stava necitelnym. V dlouhodobych grafech ze seriovych dat toto nevadi, protoze grafy integruji ze sve podstaty.;) 2) Kam vlastne cely Revolter umistit? Ondra ho ma jenom jako holy tistak bez krabicky strceny v RX tubusu a posilajici seriova data po nevyuzitem paru tusim v kabelu pro vytapeni cocek. - a) V tom pripade by bylo s nejmemsimi upravami nejlepsi upravit stavajici DPS na nejaky easy konektor (header?), na ktery by se po 11ti dratech pres pruchodku v "zatce" tubusu povesil venku bargraph, pripadne po 14ti dratech vcetne prepinace rezimu. - b) Anebo dat Revolter do venkovni solo vodotesne(!) krabicky vcetne bargraphu a tu pres pruchodku v "zatce" RX tubusu napojit na RX a pocitac ctyrmi draty (napajeni, zem, RSSI, TxD). Otazka je co na to zemni smycky. - c) Nechat merici a procesorovou cast Revolteru v jiz na vlhko vymakanem RX tubusu a s externim solo displejem (bargraph nebo 8mi-segmentovky) a prepinacem rezimu jej spojit bezdratove! Nejefektnejsi, ale nejdrazsi reseni...:( Premitani mezi variantami a), b), c) momentalne uz mesic zastavilo muj dalsi postup. :| > > A pro ty co jsou v CZF je tad vysledek: > http://10.27.73.13/ronja.htm > Muzes prosim dat nekam screenshoty pro zajemce mimo CZF? > > -=RYS=- > PS: Dnesni Atmely uz maj 12b AD v sobe a dokonce i ten MAX232c > tez... > Ktere to jsou a jak vychazeji cenove v http://www.gme.cz oproti AT 89C2051? Standa -- A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Tue Nov 23 11:34:31 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Tue Nov 23 11:34:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] IR TX helper Message-ID: Hello all! I cannot write in Czech although I can understend partially, so here it is in English: For aiming and focusing IR transmitter head I am using V-Gear USB 2.0 color webcam. It has great resolution, sends uncompressed video (USB 2.0) and when modified, is extremly sensitive to IR - cigarete light seems to be as bright as a match flame seen with ordinary webcam :) What you have to do? Open the camera case and extract lens out of the camera body. On a lens (pinhole lens), on a side closer to cmos chip, there is a sqare piece of plastic/glass ? in blue/green color whis is in fact IR filter coating. That piece of whatever is glued to the lens holder, so remove it, put the lens back to the camera enclosure and voila, you have very cool and very sensitive webcam for seeing infrared, also this is good for amateur astronomy :) Greetings, Silvije From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Nov 23 12:00:58 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Nov 23 12:01:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI Message-ID: <20041123120101Z1302543-7221+241512@mail.centrum.cz> skusim este rozves muj napad. nechci udelat merak, ktery bude ukazovat rssi na strese. na to ma kazdy V-mert... proste si clovek povesi na 2 dratky co mu dou z trubky (nebo to da do trubky, to zalezi na nem) krabicku, do/z ktere este povedou draty pro topeni. v krabici je AD 10bit prevodnik, 89x2051, ktery bude JENOM posilat tech 10bitu z prevodniku do PC... zbytek dela PC.... + naky ty obvody co budou prepinat topeni a data, ale to este nemam uplne promyslene.) ..... no, nevim sice jestli sem tim rekl neco vic...ale mozna jo:)..... chci se zeptat tech co uz delali naky program pro serial port, jakym zpusobem ste vyresili komunikaci s portem. jak v XP.... ja sice vim jak, ale kdyby bylo neco elegantnejsiho.... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Standa Bobrik" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:57:43 +0100 (CET) > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Merak RSSI > > > http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/ > > > Problemem celeho RSSI meraku s Atmelem > je dotahnout veci do finale pro siroke > publikum! > Na stole, s laboratornim zdrojem a > v bastlu jede vsechno bajecne. > V praktickem nasazeni u Ondry se vsak > ukazala potreba techto vychytavek: > > 1) Integrace Uin. Vystupni napeti RSSI > z RX Ronji zrejme obsahuje sum nebo > nejake pulsy, na nez prevodnik v Atmelu > pohotove reaguje. Pak se rychle preskakujici > udaj na LED bargraphu stava necitelnym. > V dlouhodobych grafech ze seriovych dat > toto nevadi, protoze grafy integruji > ze sve podstaty.;) > > 2) Kam vlastne cely Revolter umistit? > Ondra ho ma jenom jako holy tistak > bez krabicky strceny v RX tubusu a > posilajici seriova data po nevyuzitem > paru tusim v kabelu pro vytapeni cocek. > - a) V tom pripade by bylo s nejmemsimi > upravami nejlepsi upravit stavajici DPS > na nejaky easy konektor (header?), na > ktery by se po 11ti dratech pres pruchodku > v "zatce" tubusu povesil venku bargraph, > pripadne po 14ti dratech vcetne prepinace > rezimu. > - b) Anebo dat Revolter do venkovni solo > vodotesne(!) krabicky vcetne bargraphu > a tu pres pruchodku v "zatce" RX tubusu > napojit na RX a pocitac ctyrmi draty > (napajeni, zem, RSSI, TxD). Otazka je > co na to zemni smycky. > - c) Nechat merici a procesorovou cast > Revolteru v jiz na vlhko vymakanem RX > tubusu a s externim solo displejem > (bargraph nebo 8mi-segmentovky) a > prepinacem rezimu jej spojit bezdratove! > Nejefektnejsi, ale nejdrazsi reseni...:( > > Premitani mezi variantami a), b), c) > momentalne uz mesic zastavilo muj > dalsi postup. :| > > > > > A pro ty co jsou v CZF je tad vysledek: > > http://10.27.73.13/ronja.htm > > > Muzes prosim dat nekam screenshoty pro > zajemce mimo CZF? > > > > > -=RYS=- > > PS: Dnesni Atmely uz maj 12b AD v sobe a dokonce i ten MAX232c > > tez... > > > Ktere to jsou a jak vychazeji cenove > v http://www.gme.cz oproti AT 89C2051? > > > Standa > > > > -- > A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? > http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka > Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Nov 23 12:07:16 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Nov 23 12:07:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI References: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> <776345e79c580b6d5eac45338936580d@www3.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <001e01c4d154$f9a64ce0$0101a8c0@cz> > > > > A pro ty co jsou v CZF je tad vysledek: > > http://10.27.73.13/ronja.htm > > > Muzes prosim dat nekam screenshoty pro > zajemce mimo CZF? Taky bych to rad v Zatci videl.... Ja muzu ukazat jen to co mam: http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/rssi/rssi.html Je jedno jestli makegraph dava nazev Crusader, Dessto, Ronja...... Dulezite je, ze toto je graf z 800m linky s infra LED. > > > > > -=RYS=- > > PS: Dnesni Atmely uz maj 12b AD v sobe a dokonce i ten MAX232c > > tez... > > > Ktere to jsou a jak vychazeji cenove > v http://www.gme.cz oproti AT 89C2051? Bohuzel, v GME je nemaj. V www.hw.cz jsou docela zajimave: T89C51RD2 > > > Standa > > > > -- > A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? > http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka > Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Nov 23 12:27:23 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Nov 23 12:28:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <776345e79c580b6d5eac45338936580d@www3.mail.volny.cz> References: <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <41A33ABB.3494.168316@localhost> On 23 Nov 2004 at 11:57, Standa Bobrik wrote: > > http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/ > > > Problemem celeho RSSI meraku s Atmelem > je dotahnout veci do finale pro siroke > publikum! > Na stole, s laboratornim zdrojem a > v bastlu jede vsechno bajecne. > V praktickem nasazeni u Ondry se vsak > ukazala potreba techto vychytavek: > > 1) Integrace Uin. Vystupni napeti RSSI > z RX Ronji zrejme obsahuje sum nebo > nejake pulsy, na nez prevodnik v Atmelu > pohotove reaguje. Pak se rychle preskakujici > udaj na LED bargraphu stava necitelnym. > V dlouhodobych grafech ze seriovych dat > toto nevadi, protoze grafy integruji > ze sve podstaty.;) Napeti RSSI kolisa pokud tecou pakety, s tim se musi pocitat. V idle je hodnota nejvetsi. Chce to tam dat nejaky sofistikovany spickovy detektor. From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Nov 23 12:28:54 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Nov 23 12:29:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI Message-ID: <20041123122903Z1306309-7223+242160@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "-=RYS=-" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:09:14 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Merak RSSI > > Je to realne (me to tak bezi..9k6 dolu do Linuxe). > Jde dokonce posilat data po napajecim kabelu , ale musis upravit zacatek a > konec napajeni. > Je treba udelat do Atmela vychytavku (kalibrace asi do 93c46), aby hodnoty > byly stejne na vsech Ronjah. to neni treba.... navic by to bylo myslim si moc slozite.... jde mi spis o orientacni mereni.... presnost U jo, ale ne ze by museli mit vsichni ze kdyz 100mV tak nejede, atp... naky graf by se tez kdyz tak mozna dal udelat... > Kazdej ma jine vysledky na RX v mV a tak by bylo tam dat nejakou prevodni > kalibraci, nebo doladit RX, aby > vsechny kusy meli stejnou uroven. > > -=RYS=- > PS: Dnesni Atmely uz maj 12b AD v sobe a dokonce i ten MAX232c tez... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:04 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI > > > > chystam se udelat jednodissi merak rssi, chtel bych slyset vase > pripominky,navrhy a tak..... > > > > mel by to byt jednoucelovy V-metr, s rozsahem do 5V. jednoduse: kabel z > Rx,krabicka,kabl do serial portu v PC, jednoduchy programek. > > > > sloziteji: krabicka: AD prevodnik, asi 8 bit, maly atmel, max232, a > seriovy port. > > programek by byl asi hodne jednoduchy, pozdeji bych asi dodelal i > sledovani jinych bodu nez jenom na svoji ronji, napr. na druhe strane, > bohuzel by to slo jenom kdyz by bylo spojeni ze, ale aspon tak....ale to > az/jestli nastuduju potrebnou literaturu :)..... > > snazil sem se taky myslet na to ze se vam(i mi :) ) nebude chtit tahat > dalsi kably na strechu, tak me napadlo, ze by se to udelalo tak, ze by se > data posilaly po dratech ktere maji na starost vytapeni cocek. prenos. > rychlost by byla hodne mala, ale na ty 2 bajty to staci.... vlastne by > bezelo topeni, v jiz zminene krabicce by se nabil hodne vekly C ktery ji je > schopny uzivit na par sekund aby se stihly vyslat data. pak se bude zase > chvili topit, topeni se vypne, poslou data, topeni, data... a tak do > zblbnuti... mozna je to reseni nerealne, nevim, raci se ptam... hlavne nevim > co to udela na tech...30ti metrech nestineneho kablu.... > > > > ? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Nov 23 12:37:24 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Nov 23 12:38:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI Message-ID: <20041123123738Z1304380-7221+242774@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Petr Seliger" > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:27:23 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Merak RSSI > > On 23 Nov 2004 at 11:57, Standa Bobrik wrote: > > > > http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/ > > > > > Problemem celeho RSSI meraku s Atmelem > > je dotahnout veci do finale pro siroke > > publikum! > > Na stole, s laboratornim zdrojem a > > v bastlu jede vsechno bajecne. > > V praktickem nasazeni u Ondry se vsak > > ukazala potreba techto vychytavek: > > > > 1) Integrace Uin. Vystupni napeti RSSI > > z RX Ronji zrejme obsahuje sum nebo > > nejake pulsy, na nez prevodnik v Atmelu > > pohotove reaguje. Pak se rychle preskakujici > > udaj na LED bargraphu stava necitelnym. > > V dlouhodobych grafech ze seriovych dat > > toto nevadi, protoze grafy integruji > > ze sve podstaty.;) > > Napeti RSSI kolisa jak moc? pokud tecou pakety, s tim se musi pocitat. V idle je hodnota nejvetsi. > Chce to tam dat nejaky sofistikovany spickovy detektor. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Nov 23 12:41:34 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Nov 23 12:41:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI References: <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> <41A33ABB.3494.168316@localhost> Message-ID: <000901c4d159$c428a8b0$0103450a@thechosen> a o kolik kolisa? Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Merak RSSI > On 23 Nov 2004 at 11:57, Standa Bobrik wrote: > > > > http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/ > > > > > Problemem celeho RSSI meraku s Atmelem > > je dotahnout veci do finale pro siroke > > publikum! > > Na stole, s laboratornim zdrojem a > > v bastlu jede vsechno bajecne. > > V praktickem nasazeni u Ondry se vsak > > ukazala potreba techto vychytavek: > > > > 1) Integrace Uin. Vystupni napeti RSSI > > z RX Ronji zrejme obsahuje sum nebo > > nejake pulsy, na nez prevodnik v Atmelu > > pohotove reaguje. Pak se rychle preskakujici > > udaj na LED bargraphu stava necitelnym. > > V dlouhodobych grafech ze seriovych dat > > toto nevadi, protoze grafy integruji > > ze sve podstaty.;) > > Napeti RSSI kolisa pokud tecou pakety, s tim se musi pocitat. V idle je hodnota nejvetsi. > Chce to tam dat nejaky sofistikovany spickovy detektor. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Nov 23 12:47:00 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Nov 23 12:47:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <000901c4d159$c428a8b0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <41A33F54.566.287709@localhost> Si to zmer kua. To odhaduju tak 100mV dolu +-bota. Kdyz jsem to vymejslel tak se pocitalo ze to bude slouzit jen pro zamerovani a tak jsem to nezmeril. > a o kolik kolisa? > > Glo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Seliger" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Merak RSSI > > > > On 23 Nov 2004 at 11:57, Standa Bobrik wrote: > > > > > > http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/ > > > > > > > Problemem celeho RSSI meraku s Atmelem > > > je dotahnout veci do finale pro siroke > > > publikum! > > > Na stole, s laboratornim zdrojem a > > > v bastlu jede vsechno bajecne. > > > V praktickem nasazeni u Ondry se vsak > > > ukazala potreba techto vychytavek: > > > > > > 1) Integrace Uin. Vystupni napeti RSSI > > > z RX Ronji zrejme obsahuje sum nebo > > > nejake pulsy, na nez prevodnik v Atmelu > > > pohotove reaguje. Pak se rychle preskakujici > > > udaj na LED bargraphu stava necitelnym. > > > V dlouhodobych grafech ze seriovych dat > > > toto nevadi, protoze grafy integruji > > > ze sve podstaty.;) > > > > Napeti RSSI kolisa pokud tecou pakety, s tim se musi pocitat. V idle je > hodnota nejvetsi. > > Chce to tam dat nejaky sofistikovany spickovy detektor. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From bobriks at volny.cz Tue Nov 23 14:00:43 2004 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Tue Nov 23 14:00:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <20041123120101Z1302543-7221+241512@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20041123120101Z1302543-7221+241512@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: Od: "Petr Seliger" > > Napeti RSSI kolisa pokud tecou pakety, s tim se musi pocitat. > V idle je hodnota nejvetsi. > Chce to tam dat nejaky sofistikovany spickovy detektor. > :-) Diky, vyborny poznatek. Od: "-=RYS=-" > > Je to realne (me to tak bezi..9k6 dolu do Linuxe). > Jde dokonce posilat data po napajecim kabelu , ale musis > upravit zacatek a konec napajeni. > Oddelit zdroj a spotrebic na konci vedeni tlumivkama. Aby nemusely byt moc velky, coz takhle namodulovat tech 9k6 amplitudove na jednotranzistorovy X-talovy oscilatorek a dole to rozplest "krystalkou" napr. se dvema tranzistory? :) Od: "Jakub Michn?k " > > bezelo topeni, v jiz zminene krabicce by se nabil hodne vekly C > ktery ji je schopny uzivit na par sekund aby se stihly vyslat data. > pak se bude zase chvili topit, topeni se vypne, poslou data, topeni, > data... a tak do zblbnuti... mozna je to reseni nerealne, nevim, > raci se ptam... hlavne nevim co to udela na tech...30ti metrech > nestineneho kablu.... > Budou to velky kondenzatory, masity spinace, slozita synchronizace a velky impulsni ruseni z toho kabelu. > nechci udelat merak, ktery bude ukazovat rssi na strese. > Kdyz uz tam ten Atmel je, tak at nemusim pokazde vlacet V-metr.;) Ale samo, ze bargraph nemusim osazovat, kdyz nechci... > prevodnik, 89x2051, ktery bude JENOM posilat tech 10bitu z > prevodniku do PC... zbytek dela PC.... + naky ty obvody co budou > > chci se zeptat tech co uz delali naky program pro serial port, > jakym zpusobem ste vyresili komunikaci s portem. jak v XP.... ja > sice vim jak, ale kdyby bylo neco elegantnejsiho.... > Atmelu i PC je docela jedno, jestli se posila JENOM "10bitu", nebo slozitejsi datagram. Prave moje reseni http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/revolterm.gif ma vyhodu, ze Hyperterminal je v kazdych Windowsech a v Linuxech staci jednoduse nechat monitorovat napr. ttyS0 na obrazovku a mam komfortni:) vypis (i pres SSH!!). Standa -- Zimn? pneu nejlevn?ji v ?R! N?kup p??mo od v?robc?, doprava zdarma. http://www.pneuprodej.cz From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Nov 23 15:16:45 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Nov 23 15:17:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI References: <20041123120101Z1302543-7221+241512@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000601c4d16f$71ec40a0$0101a8c0@cz> > > Je to realne (me to tak bezi..9k6 dolu do Linuxe). > > Jde dokonce posilat data po napajecim kabelu , ale musis > > upravit zacatek a konec napajeni. > > > Oddelit zdroj a spotrebic na konci vedeni tlumivkama. > Aby nemusely byt moc velky, coz takhle namodulovat > tech 9k6 amplitudove na jednotranzistorovy X-talovy > oscilatorek a dole to rozplest "krystalkou" napr. se > dvema tranzistory? :) Jde to dokonce posilat primo po UTP :)) data trafa prodava GES..staci 2 trafa nahore a dole. 20kHz UTP datu 10MHz nevadi :)) > Atmelu i PC je docela jedno, jestli se posila JENOM "10bitu", > nebo slozitejsi datagram. Prave moje reseni > http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/revolterm.gif ma vyhodu, ze > Hyperterminal je v kazdych Windowsech a v Linuxech staci > jednoduse nechat monitorovat napr. ttyS0 na obrazovku a mam > komfortni:) > vypis (i pres SSH!!). > > Standa Neni to spatny. Me to posila do vseho co ma 9k6...vcetne mojich W98se hyperterminal: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/rssi_hyperterminal.jpg Vlevo sila signalu (stejny je na LCD) a pocet ctverecku dle sily signalu. Displej je takhle: Bez signalu: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/lcd_crusader_bez_signalu.jpg Minimalni signal za ktereho spoj chodi (pod 300RSSI to nejde): http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/lcd_crusader_bez_signalu.jpg Signal, kterej je v pohode: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/lcd_crusader_dobrej_signal.jpg Maximalni signal: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/lcd_crusader_maximalni_signal_metr_od_sebe.jpg Popis: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/lcd_crusader_pamet_LCD_PEAK.jpg Takze u me se strida napis POOR, SUPER :) atd s maximalnim dosazitelnym signalem (pamet do doby vypadku stavy). Osobne si myslim, ze neni dulezity jestli to presne zobrazuje hodnotu v mV, ale ze to ukazuje rozumnej udaj. Reseni, ktere pouzivam berte jako namet. -=RYS=- From bobriks at volny.cz Tue Nov 23 15:59:01 2004 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Tue Nov 23 15:59:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <000601c4d16f$71ec40a0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20041123120101Z1302543-7221+241512@mail.centrum.cz> <000601c4d16f$71ec40a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <7fa114f252a7bd98fc5214cda80cf2a9@www3.mail.volny.cz> Hezke obrazky, dobra prace. ;) Docela jsem kvuli automatickemu prepinani rozsahu zapasil pak s flashkou v 89C2051cce. Kdyby stacil jediny rozsah, vyrazne by to zjednodusilo zapojeni i soft. Jak to mas ty? Velkou citlivost 0-35mV u sebe jsem uvazoval pro "vyhledavani signalu" pri nastrelovani. > Osobne si myslim, ze neni dulezity jestli to presne > zobrazuje hodnotu v mV, ale ze to ukazuje rozumnej udaj. > Presne tak. mV muze dopocitat "zakazkovy" program pro dlouhodobe grafy v PC, nebo moje kalkulacka.:) S. > Reseni, ktere pouzivam berte jako namet. > > -=RYS=- -- Zimn? pneu nejlevn?ji v ?R! N?kup p??mo od v?robc?, doprava zdarma. http://www.pneuprodej.cz From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Nov 23 16:36:20 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Nov 23 16:36:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI References: <20041123120101Z1302543-7221+241512@mail.centrum.cz> <000601c4d16f$71ec40a0$0101a8c0@cz> <7fa114f252a7bd98fc5214cda80cf2a9@www3.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <000601c4d17a$8ff17d80$0101a8c0@cz> meri mi to napeti od 0 do 5V...logaritmicky...kdyz by to bylo linearne, tak by se to neveslo do bargrafu. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Standa Bobrik" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Merak RSSI > Hezke obrazky, dobra prace. ;) > > Docela jsem kvuli automatickemu prepinani > rozsahu zapasil pak s flashkou v 89C2051cce. > Kdyby stacil jediny rozsah, vyrazne by to > zjednodusilo zapojeni i soft. Jak to mas ty? > Velkou citlivost 0-35mV u sebe jsem uvazoval > pro "vyhledavani signalu" pri nastrelovani. > > > Osobne si myslim, ze neni dulezity jestli to presne > > zobrazuje hodnotu v mV, ale ze to ukazuje rozumnej udaj. > > > Presne tak. mV muze dopocitat "zakazkovy" program > pro dlouhodobe grafy v PC, nebo moje kalkulacka.:) > > S. > > > Reseni, ktere pouzivam berte jako namet. > > > > -=RYS=- > > > -- > Zimn? pneu nejlevn?ji v ?R! N?kup p??mo od v?robc?, doprava > zdarma. http://www.pneuprodej.cz > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Nov 23 16:45:04 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Nov 23 16:45:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI References: <41A33F54.566.287709@localhost> Message-ID: <001d01c4d17b$c8c8c540$0103450a@thechosen> bych si to kua zmeril kdybych mel na cem kua. Glo > Si to zmer kua. > To odhaduju tak 100mV dolu +-bota. Kdyz jsem to vymejslel tak se pocitalo ze to bude slouzit > jen pro zamerovani a tak jsem to nezmeril. > > > a o kolik kolisa? > > > > Glo > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Petr Seliger" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Merak RSSI > > > > > > > On 23 Nov 2004 at 11:57, Standa Bobrik wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/ > > > > > > > > > Problemem celeho RSSI meraku s Atmelem > > > > je dotahnout veci do finale pro siroke > > > > publikum! > > > > Na stole, s laboratornim zdrojem a > > > > v bastlu jede vsechno bajecne. > > > > V praktickem nasazeni u Ondry se vsak > > > > ukazala potreba techto vychytavek: > > > > > > > > 1) Integrace Uin. Vystupni napeti RSSI > > > > z RX Ronji zrejme obsahuje sum nebo > > > > nejake pulsy, na nez prevodnik v Atmelu > > > > pohotove reaguje. Pak se rychle preskakujici > > > > udaj na LED bargraphu stava necitelnym. > > > > V dlouhodobych grafech ze seriovych dat > > > > toto nevadi, protoze grafy integruji > > > > ze sve podstaty.;) > > > > > > Napeti RSSI kolisa pokud tecou pakety, s tim se musi pocitat. V idle je > > hodnota nejvetsi. > > > Chce to tam dat nejaky sofistikovany spickovy detektor. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Nov 23 16:46:46 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Nov 23 16:46:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede References: <200411222241.29539.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002901c4d17c$0527c9a0$0103450a@thechosen> kolik stoji ten xilinx tebou pouzity? jak se to programuje? da se nejakej prog postavit doma? nemas na neco dobreho odkaz? diky Glo > Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. > > Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s integrovanym > trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema stabilizatory, FUNGUJE. > Detaily zverejnim brzo. > Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace PCB a pak > autonegotiation. > Jakub Ladman > > PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl "jenom" ten > problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo v klidu na > TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo presycene. V > pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na protistrane > v sitovce. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From simandl at mujmail.cz Tue Nov 23 17:10:42 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Tue Nov 23 17:07:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface - od Simandla In-Reply-To: <419DBF06.8020203@hkfree.org> References: <419DBF06.8020203@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <41A36F12.5010607@mujmail.cz> > 1) Ve schematu jsou vyznaceny test pointy, ale nikte jsem nenasel zadnou > tabulku (nebo neco podobnyho) kde by bylo napsane jake napeti ci > frekvenci bychom na nich meli namerit....? Ahoj, nasel jsem testpointy na silvijove schematu. Roste treba tady http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/others/silvije/tpmod12mala.png Ja jsem si pri ozivovani poznamky nedelal. Vse co mam je na webu. Trochu jsem tam rozepsal v uvodu zdroje z kterych jsme vychazeli viz http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm TP14 mas jinak takze nejspis bude neco spatne s/kolem IC11 schematu http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/utp/0.3/utp.sch.png TP15 a TP16 zavisi na TP14 u TP21 se to podle tveho popisu nelisi - u obou mas to same TP21 zavisi na nejistych tolerancich. Je psano: "Bude lep?? kdy? si postav?te twistera. Je digit?ln? tak?e teplotne( i technologicky z?visl? c(asov? konstanty (C5-R1 a C6-R2), s kter?mi jsou pr(i o?ivov?n? a be(hem provozu probl?my, odpadaj?. " Diskuse o miste okolo TP21 probehla zde v konferenci hezky vecer Sima From schum at seznam.cz Tue Nov 23 08:33:24 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Tue Nov 23 19:00:13 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Merak=20RSSI?= In-Reply-To: <162821516.20041123090139@volny.cz> Message-ID: <3217.30592-30428-487428916-1101198802@email.seznam.cz> Jakej je odber toho meraku? cca 50mA pri 12V U toho naseho byl problem, ze ten display zral hodne.... Display je napajen pres proudovy zdroj takze to neni tak zle Displej ukazuje primo cislo ve V (mV) nebo nejake cislo obecne? obecne cislo, ladime prece na maximum, hodnota v mV neni az tak smerodatna Umi ten tvuj piskat podle sily signalu? Nas ne a hodilo by se to. Piskat neumi Nevim jak je ten tvuj citlivej, ale tenhle ma nejmensi rozsah 0-35mV coz si myslim ze je extra jemne, vhodne pro prvni zachyceni..... maximalni citlivost jsem zatim nezkousel, zkusim behem dneska, zatim to mam tak ze udaj 99 na displeji je cca 1V Mirek Ondra ____________________________________________________________ http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=80833 From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Nov 23 19:23:16 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Nov 23 19:23:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <41A33ABB.3494.168316@localhost> References: <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> <41A33ABB.3494.168316@localhost> Message-ID: <1308459420.20041123202316@volny.cz> Ahoj, moje zkusenost je, ze se to nehejbe. Proste nevsiml jsem si, ze by se RSSI nejak zmenilo podle toku dat. Jestli tam nejaka zmena je, tak tak do 50mV a to jeste si nechavam dost rezervu :-) Proste na grafech se to neprojevi. Stejne tak jsem na grafech nepozoroval, ze by se hejbaly baraky... Ondra PS> On 23 Nov 2004 at 11:57, Standa Bobrik wrote: >> > http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/ >> > >> Problemem celeho RSSI meraku s Atmelem >> je dotahnout veci do finale pro siroke >> publikum! >> Na stole, s laboratornim zdrojem a >> v bastlu jede vsechno bajecne. >> V praktickem nasazeni u Ondry se vsak >> ukazala potreba techto vychytavek: >> >> 1) Integrace Uin. Vystupni napeti RSSI >> z RX Ronji zrejme obsahuje sum nebo >> nejake pulsy, na nez prevodnik v Atmelu >> pohotove reaguje. Pak se rychle preskakujici >> udaj na LED bargraphu stava necitelnym. >> V dlouhodobych grafech ze seriovych dat >> toto nevadi, protoze grafy integruji >> ze sve podstaty.;) PS> Napeti RSSI kolisa pokud tecou pakety, s tim se musi pocitat. V idle je hodnota nejvetsi. PS> Chce to tam dat nejaky sofistikovany spickovy detektor. PS> _______________________________________________ PS> Ronja mailing list PS> Ronja@lists.pointless.net PS> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Nov 23 19:27:36 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Nov 23 19:27:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <776345e79c580b6d5eac45338936580d@www3.mail.volny.cz> References: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> <776345e79c580b6d5eac45338936580d@www3.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <785310619.20041123202736@volny.cz> Jo, posledni obrazky jsem nahral na http://www.volny.cz/boza1/ neumim udelat, aby se to tam kopirovalo stale a automaticky, tak alespon takhle na ukazku. Dosavadni zkusenosti jsou, ze na grafy je to vyborne, no a to ze se da koukat na bargrafy po SSH na druhe strane spoje je skvela vychytavka. Na zamerovani se to asi zatim moc nehodi a kdyby to umelo piskat, tak by se to hodilo. Ondra >> http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/ >> SB> Problemem celeho RSSI meraku s Atmelem SB> je dotahnout veci do finale pro siroke SB> publikum! SB> Na stole, s laboratornim zdrojem a SB> v bastlu jede vsechno bajecne. SB> V praktickem nasazeni u Ondry se vsak SB> ukazala potreba techto vychytavek: SB> 1) Integrace Uin. Vystupni napeti RSSI SB> z RX Ronji zrejme obsahuje sum nebo SB> nejake pulsy, na nez prevodnik v Atmelu SB> pohotove reaguje. Pak se rychle preskakujici SB> udaj na LED bargraphu stava necitelnym. SB> V dlouhodobych grafech ze seriovych dat SB> toto nevadi, protoze grafy integruji SB> ze sve podstaty.;) SB> 2) Kam vlastne cely Revolter umistit? SB> Ondra ho ma jenom jako holy tistak SB> bez krabicky strceny v RX tubusu a SB> posilajici seriova data po nevyuzitem SB> paru tusim v kabelu pro vytapeni cocek. SB> - a) V tom pripade by bylo s nejmemsimi SB> upravami nejlepsi upravit stavajici DPS SB> na nejaky easy konektor (header?), na SB> ktery by se po 11ti dratech pres pruchodku SB> v "zatce" tubusu povesil venku bargraph, SB> pripadne po 14ti dratech vcetne prepinace SB> rezimu. SB> - b) Anebo dat Revolter do venkovni solo SB> vodotesne(!) krabicky vcetne bargraphu SB> a tu pres pruchodku v "zatce" RX tubusu SB> napojit na RX a pocitac ctyrmi draty SB> (napajeni, zem, RSSI, TxD). Otazka je SB> co na to zemni smycky. SB> - c) Nechat merici a procesorovou cast SB> Revolteru v jiz na vlhko vymakanem RX SB> tubusu a s externim solo displejem SB> (bargraph nebo 8mi-segmentovky) a SB> prepinacem rezimu jej spojit bezdratove! SB> Nejefektnejsi, ale nejdrazsi reseni...:( SB> Premitani mezi variantami a), b), c) SB> momentalne uz mesic zastavilo muj SB> dalsi postup. :| >> >> A pro ty co jsou v CZF je tad vysledek: >> http://10.27.73.13/ronja.htm >> SB> Muzes prosim dat nekam screenshoty pro SB> zajemce mimo CZF? >> >> -=RYS=- >> PS: Dnesni Atmely uz maj 12b AD v sobe a dokonce i ten MAX232c >> tez... >> SB> Ktere to jsou a jak vychazeji cenove SB> v http://www.gme.cz oproti AT 89C2051? SB> Standa From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Nov 23 19:30:58 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Nov 23 19:30:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: References: <20041123120101Z1302543-7221+241512@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1311657369.20041123203058@volny.cz> To RS232 tahnu dvema zilama z UTP kabelu, cca 10m, jako zem mam pouzitou zem od napajeni a je to bez problemu. Ondra nerealne, nevim, >> raci se ptam... hlavne nevim co to udela na SB> tech...30ti metrech >> nestineneho kablu.... >> From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Nov 23 19:45:56 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Nov 23 19:46:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <1308459420.20041123202316@volny.cz> References: <41A33ABB.3494.168316@localhost> Message-ID: <41A3A184.6189.7A38BA@localhost> No kdyz ten tvuj kanon ma na prijmu 2V, tak tam se to nepozna. Ja to mam na jednom test spoji na hrane - idle 70mV, data cca 50mV. > Ahoj, > moje zkusenost je, ze se to nehejbe. Proste nevsiml jsem si, ze by se > RSSI nejak zmenilo podle toku dat. > Jestli tam nejaka zmena je, tak tak do 50mV a to jeste si nechavam > dost rezervu :-) > Proste na grafech se to neprojevi. > Stejne tak jsem na grafech nepozoroval, ze by se hejbaly baraky... > > > Ondra > > PS> On 23 Nov 2004 at 11:57, Standa Bobrik wrote: > > >> > http://www.honirna.cz/revolter/ > >> > > >> Problemem celeho RSSI meraku s Atmelem > >> je dotahnout veci do finale pro siroke > >> publikum! > >> Na stole, s laboratornim zdrojem a > >> v bastlu jede vsechno bajecne. > >> V praktickem nasazeni u Ondry se vsak > >> ukazala potreba techto vychytavek: > >> > >> 1) Integrace Uin. Vystupni napeti RSSI > >> z RX Ronji zrejme obsahuje sum nebo > >> nejake pulsy, na nez prevodnik v Atmelu > >> pohotove reaguje. Pak se rychle preskakujici > >> udaj na LED bargraphu stava necitelnym. > >> V dlouhodobych grafech ze seriovych dat > >> toto nevadi, protoze grafy integruji > >> ze sve podstaty.;) > > PS> Napeti RSSI kolisa pokud tecou pakety, s tim se musi pocitat. V idle je hodnota nejvetsi. > PS> Chce to tam dat nejaky sofistikovany spickovy detektor. > > PS> _______________________________________________ > PS> Ronja mailing list > PS> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > PS> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Nov 23 19:45:57 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Nov 23 19:46:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2N3904 Message-ID: <41A3A185.23627.7A3BAF@localhost> Nema nahodou nekdo z prazskych v supliku par tranzistoru 2N3904 s SMD pouzdru SOT23? Pripadne nejaky typ na prodejnu kde je maji? From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Nov 23 20:07:38 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Nov 23 20:08:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister v xilinxu jede In-Reply-To: <002901c4d17c$0527c9a0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <200411222241.29539.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002901c4d17c$0527c9a0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200411232107.38486.ladmanj@volny.cz> Stoji cca. stovku viz www.asix.cz. Ted asi i min nez normalne pri dnesnim kurzu dolaru. Programator se da postavit, viz napr. www.mcu.cz hledat kraken xl Jakub On Tuesday 23 November 2004 17:46, Michal Malusek wrote: > kolik stoji ten xilinx tebou pouzity? jak se to programuje? da se nejakej > prog postavit doma? nemas na neco dobreho odkaz? diky > > > Glo > > > Tak mohu po delsi odmlce ohlasit posun. > > > > Klon twistera, tvoreny krome RLC soucastek a TP konektoru s integrovanym > > trafem, pouze budicem, prijimacem, xilinxem a dvema stabilizatory, > > FUNGUJE. > > > Detaily zverejnim brzo. > > Ted pripravim zdrojaky k prezentaci, dalsi krok je optimalicace PCB a pak > > autonegotiation. > > Jakub Ladman > > > > PS: Pro ty co vi o cem je rec, tak posledni dva mesice tam uz byl "jenom" > > ten > > > problem, ze link integrity pulsy mely spatnou polaritu a tak bylo v klidu > > na > > > TP trafu plne stejnosmerne napeti a to pak pochopitelne bylo presycene. V > > pripade, ze bych jako Clock TP trafo nepouzil, sytilo by se to na > > protistrane > > > v sitovce. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Nov 24 09:52:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Nov 24 09:52:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nove spoje v Chrudimi In-Reply-To: <000901c49e4c$5bd31600$0202a8c0@woita> References: <000901c49e4c$5bd31600$0202a8c0@woita> Message-ID: <20041124095252.GA5333@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 03:27:06PM +0200, Vojt?ch ?i?insk? wrote: > Oznamuju novy dva spoje v Chrudimi! > > prvni: delka 600m, 130mm vietnam lupy > mechanika vlastni, jedna strana twister DPS, druha old AUI interface na plosnym spoji od K.J.S., vysilace na tistacich - taky Skontorp, prijimace hnizda. > foto dodam, az budou. > > druhy: delka 900m 130mm vietnam lupy > plati pro to uplne to samy, jako u prvniho, jen vysilace jsou hnizda. > fotky tohodle spoje jsou zde: http://www.chrudim2000.cz/genesis/digifoto/ronja/ Thanks, added, including images. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Nov 24 10:16:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Nov 24 10:16:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Rx problem In-Reply-To: <1066.195.205.177.214.1095802001.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <20040920061404.GA6299@beton.cybernet.src> <1066.195.205.177.214.1095802001.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20041124101611.GA5555@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 11:26:41PM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > What is happen, what is wrong, when RSSI didn't show only the same voltage > even if TX diode is near the photodiode ? > I mean there is still about 0,25 mv. > What is wrong ? > > I done another RX and there is all right. But in the third and fourth RX > there is the same problem as in the first.... > What is wrong... ? What component in RX is wrong when RSSI show this wrong > value ? Various things may be wrong. Probably the signal doesn't make it through to the RSSI. So some active element on the path isn't probably amplifying, or the RSSI is dead by itself. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Nov 24 10:17:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Nov 24 10:17:28 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?oFtSb25qYV2gUnigcHJv?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?blem?= In-Reply-To: <3009.195.205.177.214.1095821298.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <1084.195.205.177.214.1095802118.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <3009.195.205.177.214.1095821298.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20041124101721.GB5555@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 04:48:18AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > I check again... > The voltage is going down from 0,75 mV when the power is on, and down in > few second to 0,25mV The same symptoms often occur when you forget voltmeter switched to AC instead of DC. Cl< From spider at fonoc.net Wed Nov 24 12:41:55 2004 From: spider at fonoc.net (Slobodan) Date: Wed Nov 24 12:41:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] first-timer's TX mistery Message-ID: <466469357.20041124134155@fonoc.net> Hello Twibright, I've build my first ronja (pcb twister airwire tx/rx). On first test I've got these values on TX: all measured DC.. P1=0.00V P2=3.42V P3=2.75V P4=3.50V P5=2.74V P6=4.45V P8=4.9V P9=12.5V on RSSI (RX) I get about 70mV without twister connected to PC and 800-900mV when I point tv remote control into RX can someone give me a hint what to check? -- Best regards From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Thu Nov 25 07:33:32 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Thu Nov 25 07:33:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a 16MHz oscilator Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A98D@vestex01.vest.corp> Ahoj, Potrebuju jednu rychlou odpoved. Poslal jsem kamose do GM pro 16MHz oscilator a on mi ho prinesl. Ale meli ho ve dvou provedenich a vzal ten mensi. Muzu ho normalne pouzit (s tim, ze ho na tistaku priletuju na dratky? Ma stejnou orientaci vyvodu? Je na nem napsano: SG531P C 16.0000M E 4122B Dik -- Kosac From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Nov 25 07:39:25 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Thu Nov 25 07:39:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a 16MHz oscilator References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A98D@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <000501c4d2c1$e3143550$0103450a@thechosen> kdyz ho zapojis spravne pouzit ho muzes. vyvody by mel mit podle katalogu GM stejne. Glo ------------- Ahoj, Potrebuju jednu rychlou odpoved. Poslal jsem kamose do GM pro 16MHz oscilator a on mi ho prinesl. Ale meli ho ve dvou provedenich a vzal ten mensi. Muzu ho normalne pouzit (s tim, ze ho na tistaku priletuju na dratky? Ma stejnou orientaci vyvodu? Je na nem napsano: SG531P C 16.0000M E 4122B Dik -- Kosac _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Thu Nov 25 07:48:21 2004 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Thu Nov 25 07:48:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister Message-ID: <2199.172.31.16.115.1101368901.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hello all, Is it okay to have UTP cable between PC and Twister exceeds 1 metres? Why or Why not? We use something closer to 2 metres and it does not seem to send any signal out while pinging. Cheers, Ton ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Thu Nov 25 07:48:59 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Thu Nov 25 07:49:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a 16MHz oscilator Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A994@vestex01.vest.corp> Super. Dik. -- Kosac > > kdyz ho zapojis spravne pouzit ho muzes. vyvody by mel mit > podle katalogu GM > stejne. > > Glo > > ------------- > > Ahoj, > > Potrebuju jednu rychlou odpoved. Poslal > jsem kamose do GM pro 16MHz oscilator a on > mi ho prinesl. Ale meli ho ve dvou provedenich > a vzal ten mensi. Muzu ho normalne pouzit > (s tim, ze ho na tistaku priletuju na dratky? > Ma stejnou orientaci vyvodu? > Je na nem napsano: > > SG531P C > 16.0000M > E 4122B > > Dik > -- > Kosac > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Nov 25 07:59:38 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (Michal Mal??ek) Date: Thu Nov 25 07:59:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister References: <2199.172.31.16.115.1101368901.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <000b01c4d2c4$b6763680$0103450a@thechosen> i testetd UTP cabel 40m and it was ok. Glo > > Hello all, > > Is it okay to have UTP cable between PC and Twister exceeds 1 metres? Why > or Why not? > > We use something closer to 2 metres and it does not seem to send any > signal out while pinging. > > Cheers, > > Ton > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This email was sent using SquirrelMail. > https://front.psu.ac.th/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Fri Nov 26 07:07:47 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Nov 26 07:07:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a 16MHz oscilator In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A98D@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A98D@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <41A6D643.4030207@katka.biz> pouzito ozkouseno funkcni .. udelal sem mu postylku z patice p0l0us kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: >Ahoj, > >Potrebuju jednu rychlou odpoved. Poslal >jsem kamose do GM pro 16MHz oscilator a on >mi ho prinesl. Ale meli ho ve dvou provedenich >a vzal ten mensi. Muzu ho normalne pouzit >(s tim, ze ho na tistaku priletuju na dratky? >Ma stejnou orientaci vyvodu? >Je na nem napsano: > >SG531P C >16.0000M >E 4122B > >Dik > > From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Fri Nov 26 07:13:43 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Fri Nov 26 07:13:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a 16MHz oscilator Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A9A7@vestex01.vest.corp> Tak jsem ho naletoval na dratky. Vypada to hrozne, ale snad bude fungovat. :-) -- Kosac > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Polehla [mailto:polous@katka.biz] > Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 8:08 AM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister a 16MHz oscilator > > > pouzito ozkouseno funkcni .. udelal sem mu postylku z patice > > p0l0us > > > kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > >Ahoj, > > > >Potrebuju jednu rychlou odpoved. Poslal > >jsem kamose do GM pro 16MHz oscilator a on > >mi ho prinesl. Ale meli ho ve dvou provedenich > >a vzal ten mensi. Muzu ho normalne pouzit > >(s tim, ze ho na tistaku priletuju na dratky? > >Ma stejnou orientaci vyvodu? > >Je na nem napsano: > > > >SG531P C > >16.0000M > >E 4122B > > > >Dik > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Fri Nov 26 08:29:22 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Fri Nov 26 08:29:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister Message-ID: Hi! Has anyone noticed or tried to measure amount of RF interference of Twister's UTP cable??? I have small pocket autoscanning FM radio which gets a lot of interference from even few meters from interface. It is more noticable when packets are going through interface. Thnx, Silvije From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 26 13:19:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Nov 26 13:19:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC In-Reply-To: <4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz> <4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <20041126131915.GA9441@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 10:06:35PM +0200, Pavel Kriz wrote: > Navod sem cetl, ale v moji situaci to nefungovalo - asi delam neco blbe > nebo nevim - popisu jak to vypada: Sorry za pozdni odpoved. Jsem zapadanej mailama. > > Mam 2 sitovky v tomtez PC, kernel je vidi jako eth0 a eth1, > postupuju podle http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php > P??prava-Nastaven? s??ov?ch karet pro test s dv?ma kartami nebo dv?ma PC > > a to takto: > > ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 > ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 > route add -host 192.168.0.2 eth0 > route add -host 192.168.0.1 eth1 > > Pak pustim ping na 192.168.0.1 a ono to pinga i kdyz do sitovky neni > zasunuty zadny kabel - stejne tak pro 192.168.0.2. Pingy jsou male Sorry, chyba v navodu. Poslal ho Polous a ja jsem ho nedostatecne zkontroloval. Z principu to co bylo napsany v navodu fungovat vubec nemuze, protoze Linux kdyz vidi, ze cilova IP adresa je stejna jako IP adresy nejake sitovky na jeho stroji, tak to automaticky zpracuje a do zadne sitovky to vubec nejde. Prepsal jsem ten navod - misto 2 sekci sem tam dal 3 sekce (rozdelil jsem to testovani s 2 sitovkama nebo 2 PC na testovani s 2 sitovkama a testovani s 2 PC). Taky jsem opravil spoustu HTML chyb co v tom byly - Polousi, nedavej do (radove mensi nez kdyz to chodi po kabelu). > > Stejne se to chova na vsech systemech co sem mel k dispozici: > Cerstve nainstalovany Debian 3.1 - jadra 2.4.27, 2.6.7 > Postarsi RedHat 8 - jadro 2.4.24 > > Routovaci tabulka vypada takto: > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 192.168.0.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth1 > 192.168.0.2 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 > 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 > > Co teda delam spatne? > (podotykam, ze mi to cele funguje spravne, pokud jsou kazda ze sitovek v > jinem PC) > > Martin Polehla wrote: > >Cetl jsi cast navodu Testing Ronja Tetrapolis (prip. v cj) ? > > > >p0l0us > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Thanks to all free technology (includes free software) developers for the technology they are making available to general public. From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Fri Nov 26 13:27:45 2004 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (phanumas khumsat) Date: Fri Nov 26 13:19:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister References: <2199.172.31.16.115.1101368901.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <000b01c4d2c4$b6763680$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <001801c4d3bb$b6e0d6f0$4a101fac@ton> Thanks, That means I really have a serious problem with my system. Any ideas what is the most possible cause that there is no signal coming out from Tx+, Tx- pins from the UTP when running 'ping' command? Cheers, Ton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Mal??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister > i testetd UTP cabel 40m and it was ok. > > Glo > > > > > Hello all, > > > > Is it okay to have UTP cable between PC and Twister exceeds 1 metres? Why > > or Why not? > > > > We use something closer to 2 metres and it does not seem to send any > > signal out while pinging. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ton > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > This email was sent using SquirrelMail. > > https://front.psu.ac.th/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Nov 26 20:42:21 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Nov 26 20:42:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101501741.41a7952de99cf@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> It seems it comes from coaxial cables connecting interface and TX,RX modules. > > Hi! > > Has anyone noticed or tried to measure amount of RF interference of > Twister's UTP cable??? > > > I have small pocket autoscanning FM radio which gets a lot of interference > from even few meters from interface. It is more noticable when packets are > going through interface. > > > Thnx, > Silvije > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 26 21:35:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Nov 26 21:35:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem with distance, led's and full duplex. In-Reply-To: <1464.195.205.177.214.1096419937.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <1464.195.205.177.214.1096419937.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20041126213506.GA10516@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 03:05:37AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > Hello. > > I have some problems with my Ronja. Have you declined from the guide in any way? Are you using PCB's for RX or TX? > I must say that for testing Ronja I used > 2x PC's with Linux operating system. > To clearly describing problem I will label components of first side of > Ronja link as: PC-1, Twister-1, RX-1, TX-1. > And the components of second side of link I will label as: > PC-2,Twister-2,RX-2 and TX-2 > > And the problem is: > > 1. Very short operating distance. I tested it on the floor. I light TX-1 > into RX-2 and TX-2 to RX-1. In both cases maximum distance is Max 1m. !!! > I tuned R104 and R106. > Here are some values: > P110 - 11.8 V - is that OK ? Yes > P102 - 3.33 V - I can't tune to 3.5V - 4V !!! (R104 gives 2,75V, R124 > gives 3.33V, R123 gives 4,5V) > P104 - 5.30 V Sorry. Bug in the guide. Fixed. Put there the 100k resistor I just added. > I didn't tuned TX yet. But I have some suspicion about my HPWT's. > I bought this LED's on e-bay. Guy who was salling this LED said that those > LED's are HPWT-BD00-E4000. > How can I check this ? Only by measuring the output flux. But this requires specialized equipment. > I my opinion they are too low light. In almost all pictures in ronja > gallery light of HPWT is almost white. Such as in this case: > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/prague/bakulak/testing04.jpg > In my case this is Simply Red :) ;-) That doesn't mean anything. The exposure of the digital camera is arbitrary. > > 2. Second problem is with FULL-DUPLEX mode. > a) When I set 10baseT-FD mode in both PC's. Then transfer to PC-1 from > PC-2 is about 950KB/s. Transfer from PC-1 to PC-2 is about 600KB/s > But when I transered files to PC-1 from PC-2 and from PC-1 to PC-2 in the > same time (full duplex) then transfer is: 950KB/s and 0KB/s !!!! Try putting there a piece of wire instead of Ronja and trying again. > And ping's in this full-duplex test are no good....I mean they show max > 1ms but with about 40% packet lost when I transfered files in both > directions. What is the packetloss without sending any files? Cl< > > b) When I set 10baseT-HD mode in both PC's (Half Duplex). Then transfer to > PC-1 from PC-2 is about 1050 KB/s. Transfer from PC-1 to PC-2 is about > 1050 KB/s too. > When I transfered files to PC-1 from PC-2 and from PC-1 to PC-2 in the > same time, then transfer is about 500 KB/s and 500 KB/s. > And ping's in half-duplex are I think, good....I mean they show about max > 20ms but with 0% packet lost when I transfered files in both directions. > > Here is my problem :) > Thanks for any answer. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Thanks to all free technology (includes free software) developers for the technology they are making available to general public. From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 26 21:43:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Nov 26 21:43:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC In-Reply-To: <415A607E.4050305@gybon.cz> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz> <4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> <4159E305.7070608@hoidekr.net> <415A607E.4050305@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <20041126214346.GB10516@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 09:13:02AM +0200, Pavel Kriz wrote: > Jestli myslis tohle > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaLoobackTestOnKnopix > tak to samozrejme funguje, ale netestuje to celou sestavu a plnohodnotne > (tj. treba i ftp prenost full duplex). S tou modifikaci arp tabulky co > je v oficialnim postupu by snad slo posilat i ty dlouhe packet, ne.?. > > BTW to ze tcpdump po startu nekdy dlouho ceka nez neco vypise bych mozna > prisuzoval jeho pokusum resolvovat IPcka co se v tech packetech > vyzkytuji - zkus 'tcpdump -n' jestli to nahodou nepomuze. That's a good idea. It didn't occur to me :) I'll put it into the guide. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 27 06:44:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Nov 27 06:44:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky a prach In-Reply-To: <003701c4bbf7$98836280$0103450a@thechosen> References: <20041026224721.GB12226@beton.cybernet.src> <003701c4bbf7$98836280$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20041127064443.GA13791@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:35:55AM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > o te specialni technice nic nenapises? :) nebude to neco jako lehke predpeti > jako pro laser led cimz se zvysi koncentrace nosicu naboje v prechodu > polovodice + buzeni vetsim proudem? Sorry, I am not writing how this works until it's released Cl< > > Glo > > -------- > > > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:20:30PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > > Tak me napada v cem bude Nebulus lepsi nez Ronja s infra LED v RYSove > > > provedeni? > > > > Normalni TX se na buzeni infra LEDky nehodi, nebot je infra LED prilis > pomala. > > Nasledkem pomalosti se signal mrsi. Nebulus budi LED specialni technikou, > ktera > > zpusobi, ze se to nemrsi. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Thanks to all free technology (includes free software) developers for the technology they are making available to general public. From polous at katka.biz Sat Nov 27 07:55:05 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Nov 27 07:54:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC In-Reply-To: <20041126214346.GB10516@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz> <4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> <4159E305.7070608@hoidekr.net> <415A607E.4050305@gybon.cz> <20041126214346.GB10516@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41A832D9.70804@katka.biz> ahoj, Z toho knoppixoveho vychazel puvodne test na jednom pocitaci. Bohuzel se asi behem uprav zmeny vytratili a ja sem na to zapomel a testy sloucil. Omlouvam se za chybu. Pokud je treba napravim ji. Uz jsem ti clocku kdysi psal, jestli mi posles zdroje tech .php stranek testovani protoze ty co sem posilal mi tu nekam zmizli... Nevim proc vy se nemohly pouzivat dvojite uvozovky do , .... V pripade pouziti krkolomnych kombinaci javasctiptu a generovani stranky pomoci php je to obcas i nutnosti (nebo pri nejmensim ulehcenim) - nekdy sou i dva typy uvozovek malo. Zatim jsem nepozoroval, ze by k " a ' pristupovaly prohlizece nejak odlisne. Mozna je ten program prilis velky puntickar (v jeho pripade uvozovkar). Ale klidne tvemu prani vyhovim. Pekne vykendove rano p0l0us Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 09:13:02AM +0200, Pavel Kriz wrote: > > >>Jestli myslis tohle >>http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaLoobackTestOnKnopix >>tak to samozrejme funguje, ale netestuje to celou sestavu a plnohodnotne >>(tj. treba i ftp prenost full duplex). S tou modifikaci arp tabulky co >>je v oficialnim postupu by snad slo posilat i ty dlouhe packet, ne.?. >> >>BTW to ze tcpdump po startu nekdy dlouho ceka nez neco vypise bych mozna >>prisuzoval jeho pokusum resolvovat IPcka co se v tech packetech >>vyzkytuji - zkus 'tcpdump -n' jestli to nahodou nepomuze. >> >> > >That's a good idea. It didn't occur to me :) I'll put it into the guide. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 27 08:25:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Nov 27 08:26:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Sourcing component problem. In-Reply-To: <4188BF84.1020207@web.de> References: <20041107145916.GA8065@beton.cybernet.src> <20041108155223.GD2449@beton.cybernet.src> <4188BF84.1020207@web.de> Message-ID: <20041127082559.GB15542@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 12:22:44PM +0100, shamanu8@web.de wrote: > Hi, > i'm make now my new Ronja Twister on PCB. > Is it ok to use Sockets for the IC's or is it recommed to connect them > directly? > Anyone who got problems with the IC's over Socket? If you are not sure that you won't for example solder something in reversed position, especially regulator which could then blow all the IC's, or some IC, which is then difficult to desolder (must be destroyed), then it's safe to solder without sockets. Otherwise solder with sockets, but use precision sockets, otherwise you risk bad contact and unreliability (there are lots of contacts). You can also use sockets only for the IC's that do interface (U58, U62, U56) because they will probably go first if some external voltage spike is applied in some accident (e. g. lightning strike) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 27 08:56:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Nov 27 08:56:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Sestaveni a otestovani RX TX Twister In-Reply-To: <001801c4c7c8$60f25f60$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> References: <20041111081336.GA5634@beton.cybernet.src> <001801c4c7c8$60f25f60$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Message-ID: <20041127085637.GD15542@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:28:08AM +0100, Kendy wrote: > Ano myslim vykonovou led. > Twisteru sviti jen zluta dioda a kdyz ho na vystupu propojim (RX hned do > TX - primo na twisteru) tak pri posilani paketu blikaji diody obe - cervena > a zelena (jinak nesviti pri necinnosti). A dle testu na twibright strankach > se pakety zdvojuji. > > RX TX jsou na vrabcim hnizdu, zkousel sem zakrytovat a taky bez efektu. Dnes > si vyrobim delsi kabely, tak abych mel moduly od sebe dal ---> RSSI mensi. > > Jeste sem provedl dalsi mereni a to uz tedy nevim jestli mam spravne hodnoty > nebo ne. (vse na RX a merim zatim jen DC slozky). > > Merici bod P104 ma mit 5-6V kdyz neni zadny signal z TX (TX nesviti) nebo ma > mit 5-6V pri signalu (TX sviti na RX) ? > > Protoze kdyz dam 1K odpor (na P104) na +, tak bez signalu mam 5.5V a pri > namireni sviticiho TXka mi P104 klesne asi na 4.1V (to je OK ?? nebo si to > ma drzet stale 5-6V ??) > Nebo ma mit P104 5-6V pri signalu ze sviticiho TX?? (bez signalu tam mam > temer 7V s odporem 560ohm) . To je chyba v navodu, diky za upozorneni. Dopsal jsem tam, ze se to ma merit pri RSSI <2V. Ale ted twibright.com nejak neni dostupny (konci to hop pred nim zda se) takze to nemuzu rsyncnout, tudiz to mam v lokalni kopii a objevi se to tam pri dalsi synchronizaci. Cl< > Ted nevim ktera varianta je spravna. > > Jeste jeden dotaz: ta tabulka DC hodnot ve schematu je jen pri zapnutem > napajeni - tj. bez signalu (klidovy stav) nebo to je tabulka hodnot, ktere > maji mit merici body kdyz na RXko sviti TXko ??? > > > Diky za odpovedi. Zatim hledam v mail listu, ale je tak velmi dlouhy a > rozsahly, ze urcite mnou popisovane divy / vady tam nekde v tech prispevcich > treba sou, ale zatim sem se tim neprokousal az na konec... > > > Diky > > Kendy > HKfree > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Sestaveni a otestovani RX TX Twister > > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:57:32AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > > > Sedim nad tim od 6 vecera , testuju zkousim vse vypada normalne ale > > > nevede se. > > > > > > Twister zda se byt ok. Loop back test vypada ok - duplikuji se pakety. > > > Pokud vypnu loop prepinac a spojim vystup z twisteru TX se vstupem RX, > > > tak take pakety chodi 2x. > > > Rikam si twister asi jede(kdyz to pisou v navodu, tak na to pripojim TX > > > modul. > > > Po jeho pripojeni se TX rozsviti na stalo... Je to OK ???? > > > > Jestli myslis tu vykonovou LED, tak jo, jestli kontrolku TX na twisteru, > > tak ne (pokud tam netece staly proud dat). > > > > > > > > Pripojim RX, vse omerim, hodnoty sou z 99% stejny jako ty ve schematu. > > > Namirim ho proti TX a hle RSSI mi vylitlo na 4.05V, zakryvam diodu a > > > RSSI klesa... , takze to je asi taky dobry. Pripojim tedy vystup RX do > > > Twisteru, zkusim ping jestli zdvoujuje pakety a ani houbelec. Nezdvoji > > > to ani jeden paket... uz si nevim rady kam se zamerit :(((( > > > > Zkus to dat aby na RSSI nebylo 4V ale treba jen 1.5V > > Je to na vrabcim hnizde podle navodu nebo nejaky tistaky? > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > Vim ze sem sem nenapsal mnoho informaci, ale snad me bude alespon > > > stacit, kdyz me nekdo nasmeruje treba na Q2 v modulu RX.... > > > > > > > > > Diky predem za kazdy nazor !! > > > > > > > > > Kendy > > > HKfree > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- Thanks to all free technology (includes free software) developers for the technology they are making available to general public. From spider at fonoc.net Sat Nov 27 10:06:15 2004 From: spider at fonoc.net (spider@fonoc.net) Date: Sat Nov 27 10:06:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] What might be wrong here ? In-Reply-To: <20041126214346.GB10516@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz><4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> <4159E305.7070608@hoidekr.net><415A607E.4050305@gybon.cz> <20041126214346.GB10516@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1154.217.26.66.75.1101549975.squirrel@www.fonoc.net> Hello Twibright, I've made 2 pcb twisters, 2 airwire tx, 2 airwire rx, 1 pcb tx, 1 pcb rx, so I can measure difference and so on... I started testing with trying to get loopback to give me double pings in tcpdump and I failed !? ok.. maybe it's problem because i tested with knoppix and some stupid d-link nic... i'll try on some 'real' linux with 3com nic... any sugestions here ? then I powered up one and another twister... each one uses 175mA when not connected to PC or rx/tx :) (this point seems to be ok) then I connected rx/tx to twister and between then with con12/gnd.. everything uses about 240-250m... notice* I tried pcb/airwire tx/rx and results are the same... so, I measured P points on rx/tx and I've got following: RX: P110 = 12.6V P101 = 11.7V P102 = 3.5V P103 = 0V P104 = 5.3V P105 = 5.8V P106 = 5.62V P107 = 1.1-1.8V (!?!?) P108 = 11.2V P109 = 4.5V TX: P2 = 4.95V P3 = 4.42V P4 = 4.97V P5 = 10.23V P6 = 4.51V P7 = (should I insert ampermeter IN point P7 or just measure P7/gnd ?) P8 = 5.0V P9 = 12.5V any sugestions what to check ? when PC connected to twister and ping 192.168.1.2 -s 5000 red led gets blinking.... but transmitter diode doesn't shine at all. what initiates trasmiter HPWT diode ? should it shine always ? why it doesn't shine at me ? and how to make it shine ? :) note once again... all 3 transmitters and receivers act SAME (no matter pcb/airwire). From polous at katka.biz Sat Nov 27 13:04:25 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Nov 27 13:04:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] What might be wrong here ? In-Reply-To: <1154.217.26.66.75.1101549975.squirrel@www.fonoc.net> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz><4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> <4159E305.7070608@hoidekr.net><415A607E.4050305@gybon.cz> <20041126214346.GB10516@beton.cybernet.src> <1154.217.26.66.75.1101549975.squirrel@www.fonoc.net> Message-ID: <41A87B59.9010002@katka.biz> spider@fonoc.net wrote: >Hello Twibright, > > I've made 2 pcb twisters, 2 airwire tx, 2 airwire rx, 1 pcb tx, 1 > pcb rx, so I can measure difference and so on... > > I started testing with trying to get loopback to give me double > pings in tcpdump and I failed !? ok.. maybe it's problem because i > tested with knoppix and some stupid d-link nic... i'll try on some > 'real' linux with 3com nic... > any sugestions here ? > > What D-link NIC you have exactly ? It should work as on knopix as on other linux with same kernel (you can try linux with newer kernel). You must set twister in loopback mode as you know. Probably the d-link NIC was not set to 10M FD mode. Or cable (or one of connectors) between twister and NIC should be buggy. You can use ethtool, mii-tool or mii-diag to set NIC to 10M Fullduplex mode. (http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaFullDuplexHints) > then I powered up one and another twister... each one uses 175mA > when not connected to PC or rx/tx :) (this point seems to be ok) > > then I connected rx/tx to twister and between then with con12/gnd.. > everything uses about 240-250m... > notice* I tried pcb/airwire tx/rx and results are the same... > > so, I measured P points on rx/tx and I've got following: > > > RX: > P110 = 12.6V > P101 = 11.7V > P102 = 3.5V > P103 = 0V > P104 = 5.3V > P105 = 5.8V > P106 = 5.62V > P107 = 1.1-1.8V (!?!?) > P108 = 11.2V > P109 = 4.5V > > TX: > P2 = 4.95V > P3 = 4.42V > P4 = 4.97V > P5 = 10.23V > P6 = 4.51V > P7 = (should I insert ampermeter IN point P7 or just measure P7/gnd ?) > P8 = 5.0V > P9 = 12.5V > > any sugestions what to check ? > > when PC connected to twister and ping 192.168.1.2 -s 5000 red led > gets blinking.... but transmitter diode doesn't shine at all. > > what initiates trasmiter HPWT diode ? should it shine always ? > > yes, it should shine allways if modules connected and powered on. > why it doesn't shine at me ? and how to make it shine ? :) > > note once again... all 3 transmitters and receivers act SAME (no > matter pcb/airwire). > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From spider at fonoc.net Sat Nov 27 23:43:31 2004 From: spider at fonoc.net (spider@fonoc.net) Date: Sat Nov 27 23:43:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] What might be wrong here ? In-Reply-To: <41A87B59.9010002@katka.biz> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz><4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> <4159E305.7070608@hoidekr.net><415A607E.4050305@gybon.cz> <20041126214346.GB10516@beton.cybernet.src><1154.217.26.66.75.1101549975.squirrel@www.fonoc.net> <41A87B59.9010002@katka.biz> Message-ID: <1146.217.26.66.63.1101599011.squirrel@www.fonoc.net> > What D-link NIC you have exactly ? DFE530-TX (via-rhine module) > It should work as on knopix as on other linux with same kernel (you can > try linux with newer kernel). You must set twister in loopback mode as > you know. Probably the d-link NIC was not set to 10M FD mode. Or cable > (or one of connectors) between twister and NIC should be buggy. > > You can use ethtool, mii-tool or mii-diag to set NIC to 10M Fullduplex > mode. > (http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaFullDuplexHints) I tried all that... mii-tool says that nic is in 10mbps FD, no link (this 'no link' is interesting... should it say something else? ) I also tried to pass options parameter and full_duplex directly to via-rhine module.. and same thing :) anyway.. i'll try to find some other nic to try again >> what initiates trasmiter HPWT diode ? should it shine always ? >> >> > yes, it should shine allways if modules connected and powered on. hmmmm.... and if only connected to power? (for examle if I disconnect 'TX' pin on CONN52 and leave everything else? From kob at post.cz Sun Nov 28 16:58:25 2004 From: kob at post.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Ji=F8=ED_Kobil=E1k?=) Date: Sun Nov 28 16:58:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka Message-ID: Ahoj, mam dotaz, jakou pouzit v Twisterovi civku. V navodu se pise 10 z?vit? na pr?m?ru 8mm, ale z jakyho dratu? Podle obrazku jsem si vsiml ze nekdo pouziva i civky z feritovym jadrem, jestli jo, kde je koupit, porp. s jakou hodnotou? -- Zimn? pneu nejlevn?ji v ?R! N?kup p??mo od v?robc?, doprava zdarma. http://www.pneuprodej.cz From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sun Nov 28 18:07:53 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Sun Nov 28 18:08:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No a proc tam nepouzit tlumivku? ROOTen On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:58:25 +0100 (CET), Ji?? Kobil?k wrote: > Ahoj, > > mam dotaz, jakou pouzit v Twisterovi civku. V navodu se pise 10 > z?vit? na pr?m?ru 8mm, ale z jakyho dratu? Podle obrazku jsem si > vsiml ze nekdo pouziva i civky z feritovym jadrem, jestli jo, kde > je koupit, porp. s jakou hodnotou? > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From kendy at hkfree.org Sun Nov 28 20:55:47 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Sun Nov 28 20:55:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AA3B53.9070002@hkfree.org> Je v navodu napsane ze drat o prumeru 0.5 - 1mm^2. Petr Dvo??k napsal(a): > No a proc tam nepouzit tlumivku? > > ROOTen > > On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:58:25 +0100 (CET), Ji?? Kobil?k wrote: > >> Ahoj, >> >> mam dotaz, jakou pouzit v Twisterovi civku. V navodu se pise 10 >> z?vit? na pr?m?ru 8mm, ale z jakyho dratu? Podle obrazku jsem si >> vsiml ze nekdo pouziva i civky z feritovym jadrem, jestli jo, kde >> je koupit, porp. s jakou hodnotou? >> > > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Nov 28 21:22:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sun Nov 28 21:22:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 In-Reply-To: <1100205233.4193ccb1d07ec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <4193A2FF.8060305@matfyz.cz> <20041111191141.GA2092@feanor> <1100205233.4193ccb1d07ec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20041128212232.GA12994@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:33:53PM +0100, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > V blizkosti vystupu stabilizatoru 78xx nema keramicky kondenzator mensi nez 100n > co pohledavat. Pokud ho tam nekdo cpe, tak riskuje zakmitavani. Can you prove it somehow? I put it into a simulator and the result looks like it won't have any tendency to oscillate. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 29 08:17:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 29 08:17:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Lupa??? In-Reply-To: <000f01c4c834$96442740$979351d5@repa> References: <000f01c4c834$96442740$979351d5@repa> Message-ID: <20041129081757.GA199@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:22:39PM +0100, V.R. wrote: > Mam jednu otazku ohladom lupy. > > Chcem lupit 130mm lupy a jedine co som u nas (v SR) od cinancov nasiel su > sice 130mm ale z jednej strany je lupa vypukla a z druhej ploska (rovna). Je That's interesting. I haven't seen this one yet. Can you send a photo? Such a loupe should be suitable. Put the flat side to the LED and the bulged side out. > mozna pouzit aj takuto lupu pri RX TX alebo v tom je problem (bude inac > zaostrovat luc nez oboj vypukla alebo ho nezaostri vobec?-nemal som to ako > vyskusat lebo predavac mi nechcel lupu dovolit vybalit z igelitu) > > Este jedna vec ked chcem dosiahnut s ronjou okolo 1,4km je nutne pouzit lupy > 130mm s 295mm ohniskovou vzdialenostou, nebolo by mozne pouzit lupu s 295mm > ohnisk.vzdial ale s priemerom mensim, co ja viem 90mm? Proste od ktoreho No, you have to use 130mm diameter loupes. > faktoru zavisi dosah ronje od priemeru alebo od ohniskovej vzdialenosti? > (alebo od obidvoch) It depends on the diameter. Cl< From hollari1 at gmx.at Mon Nov 29 08:32:22 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Mon Nov 29 08:32:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister References: <20041126120006.3306gmx1@mx052.gmx.net> Message-ID: <3178.1101717142@www52.gmx.net> Why dont you use Shielded Twisted Pair Kable. (and connect the Shield with Ground of Ronja Twister) ?!? Shouldnt produce too much RF. Sigi -- Geschenkt: 3 Monate GMX ProMail + 3 Top-Spielfilme auf DVD ++ Jetzt kostenlos testen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail ++ From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Mon Nov 29 08:41:04 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Mon Nov 29 08:41:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A9B7@vestex01.vest.corp> Ahoj Pres vikend jsem rozjel 2 twistery a vypadaji, ze funguji. Mam ale civku z dratu 1.5mm^2 - nebude v tom treba casem problem? -- Kosac > > Je v navodu napsane ze drat o prumeru 0.5 - 1mm^2. > > > > Petr Dvo??k napsal(a): > > > No a proc tam nepouzit tlumivku? > > > > ROOTen > > > > On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:58:25 +0100 (CET), Ji?? Kobil?k > wrote: > > > >> Ahoj, > >> > >> mam dotaz, jakou pouzit v Twisterovi civku. V navodu se pise 10 > >> z?vit? na pr?m?ru 8mm, ale z jakyho dratu? Podle obrazku jsem si > >> vsiml ze nekdo pouziva i civky z feritovym jadrem, jestli jo, kde > >> je koupit, porp. s jakou hodnotou? > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kendy at hkfree.org Mon Nov 29 08:46:09 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Mon Nov 29 08:46:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A9B7@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <014f01c4d5ef$e08180a0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Ta civka slouzi jako tlumivka, v prumeru dratu bych problem nevidel, jen jestli se ti to vejde do krabicky. Kendy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: RE: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka Ahoj Pres vikend jsem rozjel 2 twistery a vypadaji, ze funguji. Mam ale civku z dratu 1.5mm^2 - nebude v tom treba casem problem? -- Kosac > > Je v navodu napsane ze drat o prumeru 0.5 - 1mm^2. > > > > Petr Dvo??k napsal(a): > > > No a proc tam nepouzit tlumivku? > > > > ROOTen > > > > On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:58:25 +0100 (CET), Ji?? Kobil?k > wrote: > > > >> Ahoj, > >> > >> mam dotaz, jakou pouzit v Twisterovi civku. V navodu se pise 10 > >> z?vit? na pr?m?ru 8mm, ale z jakyho dratu? Podle obrazku jsem si > >> vsiml ze nekdo pouziva i civky z feritovym jadrem, jestli jo, kde > >> je koupit, porp. s jakou hodnotou? > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From baby at lans.cz Mon Nov 29 10:36:51 2004 From: baby at lans.cz (Lukas Filzak) Date: Mon Nov 29 10:39:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dosah rx Message-ID: <1101724611.3713.7.camel@work> Zdravim, mam postavene rx a tx na deskach od KJS, vzdalenost kdy funguje jeste ping je jen zhruba 20cm, uz tady staci kousek uhnout a nefunguje, tistaky jsou nezakrytovane, prijimaci dioda je SFH2030 a vysilaci je HPWT cervena myslim ze E. RSSI pri fungovani pingu je kolem 4V, staci pak malinko uhnout a ping prestane i kdyz RSSI je kolem 3V. Bez zapnuteho tx a sviceni na fotodiodu je RSSI v obycejnem mistnosti 1.65V. Rx P104=6,05V P102=3,35V R103=0mV Vcem muze byt chyba? From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Mon Nov 29 11:03:09 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Mon Nov 29 10:50:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dosah rx In-Reply-To: <1101724611.3713.7.camel@work> References: <1101724611.3713.7.camel@work> Message-ID: <41AB01ED.2040002@jkl.darktech.org> Lukas Filzak wrote: > Zdravim, > mam postavene rx a tx na deskach od KJS, vzdalenost kdy funguje jeste > ping je jen zhruba 20cm, uz tady staci kousek uhnout a nefunguje, > tistaky jsou nezakrytovane, prijimaci dioda je SFH2030 a vysilaci je > HPWT cervena myslim ze E. RSSI pri fungovani pingu je kolem 4V, staci > pak malinko uhnout a ping prestane i kdyz RSSI je kolem 3V. Bez > zapnuteho tx a sviceni na fotodiodu je RSSI v obycejnem mistnosti 1.65V. > Rx > P104=6,05V > P102=3,35V > R103=0mV > > Vcem muze byt chyba? Zkuste RX zakrytovat. Pri tak vysokem RSSI bez signalu se zda ze na to chytate uplne vsechno. From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Nov 29 10:58:50 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Nov 29 11:00:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister U68 +C54,55 In-Reply-To: <20041128212232.GA12994@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1100205233.4193ccb1d07ec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <41AB0EFA.4139.256ADC@localhost> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:33:53PM +0100, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > V blizkosti vystupu stabilizatoru 78xx nema keramicky kondenzator mensi nez 100n > > co pohledavat. Pokud ho tam nekdo cpe, tak riskuje zakmitavani. > > Can you prove it somehow? I put it into a simulator and the result looks like > it won't have any tendency to oscillate. > > Cl< zakmitavani = ringing (aspon teda myslim) to je neco trosku jineho nez oscilace zkus si zmerit, co dela takovy stabilizator s pripojenou impulsni zatezi. From coolex at hkfree.org Mon Nov 29 11:01:05 2004 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool Explosion) Date: Mon Nov 29 11:01:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: <014f01c4d5ef$e08180a0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A9B7@vestex01.vest.corp> <014f01c4d5ef$e08180a0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Message-ID: <41AB0171.9050102@hkfree.org> Kendy napsal(a): >Ta civka slouzi jako tlumivka, v prumeru dratu bych problem nevidel, jen >jestli se ti to vejde do krabicky. > > > Lze tu civku z dratku nahradit necim jinym??? -- |=======================| | Cool-Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| |=======================| From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Nov 29 11:11:32 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Nov 29 11:11:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A9B7@vestex01.vest.corp><014f01c4d5ef$e08180a0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> <41AB0171.9050102@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <000d01c4d604$2eadc590$0103450a@thechosen> treba 1uH axialni tlumivka z GM nebo tak neco. Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cool Explosion" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka > Kendy napsal(a): > > >Ta civka slouzi jako tlumivka, v prumeru dratu bych problem nevidel, jen > >jestli se ti to vejde do krabicky. > > > > > > > > Lze tu civku z dratku nahradit necim jinym??? > > -- > |=======================| > | Cool-Explosion | > | ICQ: 262619019 | > |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| > |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| > |=======================| > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From schum at seznam.cz Mon Nov 29 11:48:37 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Mon Nov 29 11:48:40 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20dosah=20rx?= In-Reply-To: <1101724611.3713.7.camel@work> Message-ID: <2447.28739-21447-1501387765-1101728915@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Lukas Filzak" Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] dosah rx Datum (Date): 29. 11. 2004 11:36 ================================================== < Zdravim, < mam postavene rx a tx na deskach od KJS, vzdalenost kdy funguje jeste < ping je jen zhruba 20cm, uz tady staci kousek uhnout a nefunguje, < tistaky jsou nezakrytovane, prijimaci dioda je SFH2030 a vysilaci je < HPWT cervena myslim ze E. RSSI pri fungovani pingu je kolem 4V, staci < pak malinko uhnout a ping prestane i kdyz RSSI je kolem 3V. Bez < zapnuteho tx a sviceni na fotodiodu je RSSI v obycejnem mistnosti 1.65V. < Rx < P104=6,05V < P102=3,35V < R103=0mV < < Vcem muze byt chyba? < no v prvni rade je treba ty Rx mit v krabicce, bez ni nema cenu se o neco pokouset a bylo ta zde zmineno uz nescetnekrat. RSSI musi byt bez vysilani od Tx nula nebo neco velmi blizkeho nule, pokud je to tolik, s nejvetsi pravdepodobnosti to Rx kmita a to prave kvuli absenci plechoveho krytu Mirek < _______________________________________________ < Ronja mailing list < Ronja@lists.pointless.net < http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=80833 From baby at lans.cz Mon Nov 29 11:57:40 2004 From: baby at lans.cz (Lukas Filzak) Date: Mon Nov 29 11:59:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dosah Message-ID: <1101729459.3713.11.camel@work> Ok, diky myslel jsem si to, krabicky se pripravuji, nebude vadit kdyz budou hlinikove a ne z pocinovaneho plechu? jinak jsme zapomel oddat ze ty tistaky jsou SMD verze. Jinak dik From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Nov 29 12:04:39 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Nov 29 12:04:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dosah References: <1101729459.3713.11.camel@work> Message-ID: <000b01c4d60b$9a495ce0$0103450a@thechosen> hlinik nebo cinovanej plech je jedno. akorat ze na to nic nepripajis. a musis si dat pozor aby ti ten hlinik neoxidoval tam kde h zemnis. z ceho je delas? uriznul si kus hlinikoveho jeklu? :) Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lukas Filzak" To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: [Ronja] dosah > Ok, diky myslel jsem si to, krabicky se pripravuji, nebude vadit kdyz > budou hlinikove a ne z pocinovaneho plechu? jinak jsme zapomel oddat ze > ty tistaky jsou SMD verze. Jinak dik > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Nov 29 12:15:28 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Nov 29 12:16:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dosah Message-ID: <20041129121542Z1307039-13077+15696@mail.centrum.cz> to by me taky zajimalo jak je chces udelat... mozna sesroubovat, ale spajet sem se to zkousel jak to slo, a neslo :).... zkousel sem plechovku od piva, plech... pajeci kapalinou na hlinik z GM , vazilinou jak nekdo radil....nic... :((( ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Mal??ek > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:04:39 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] dosah > > hlinik nebo cinovanej plech je jedno. akorat ze na to nic nepripajis. a > musis si dat pozor aby ti ten hlinik neoxidoval tam kde h zemnis. z ceho je > delas? uriznul si kus hlinikoveho jeklu? :) > > Glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lukas Filzak" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:57 PM > Subject: [Ronja] dosah > > > > Ok, diky myslel jsem si to, krabicky se pripravuji, nebude vadit kdyz > > budou hlinikove a ne z pocinovaneho plechu? jinak jsme zapomel oddat ze > > ty tistaky jsou SMD verze. Jinak dik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From baby at lans.cz Mon Nov 29 12:26:45 2004 From: baby at lans.cz (Lukas Filzak) Date: Mon Nov 29 12:29:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: dosah Message-ID: <1101731205.3713.20.camel@work> jj tak nejak :). ted jsem jen zkousel dat kus zeleza na okolo a pokud se to pripichlo na jeho kostru RSSI se rapidne snizila pod 1V takze doufam ze to pak pofacha. jinak trosku OT: nejak pozde mi chodi zpravy s mailing listu, nekdy i nekolik hodin po uverneni na webu. pak se mi trosku spatne na ne odpovida :). rom m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Nov 29 12:04:39 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Nov 29 12:04:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dosah References: <1101729459.3713.11.camel@work> Message-ID: <000b01c4d60b$9a495ce0$0103450a@thechosen> >hlinik nebo cinovanej plech je jedno. akorat ze na to nic >nepripajis. a >musis si dat pozor aby ti ten hlinik neoxidoval tam kde h zemnis. z >ceho je >delas? uriznul si kus hlinikoveho jeklu? :) >Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lukas Filzak" To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: [Ronja] dosah > Ok, diky myslel jsem si to, krabicky se pripravuji, nebude vadit kdyz > budou hlinikove a ne z pocinovaneho plechu? jinak jsme zapomel oddat ze > ty tistaky jsou SMD verze. Jinak dik > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Mon Nov 29 13:15:01 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Mon Nov 29 13:15:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: <41AA3B53.9070002@hkfree.org> References: <41AA3B53.9070002@hkfree.org> Message-ID: v ramci rychle konstrukce pouzivam axialni tlumivky a sem pokojeny ROOTen ?On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:55:47 +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Je v navodu napsane ze drat o prumeru 0.5 - 1mm^2. > > > > Petr Dvo??k napsal(a): > >> No a proc tam nepouzit tlumivku? >> >> ROOTen >> >> On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:58:25 +0100 (CET), Ji?? Kobil?k >> wrote: >> >>> Ahoj, >>> >>> mam dotaz, jakou pouzit v Twisterovi civku. V navodu se pise 10 >>> z?vit? na pr?m?ru 8mm, ale z jakyho dratu? Podle obrazku jsem si >>> vsiml ze nekdo pouziva i civky z feritovym jadrem, jestli jo, kde >>> je koupit, porp. s jakou hodnotou? >>> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From coolex at hkfree.org Mon Nov 29 13:34:11 2004 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool Explosion) Date: Mon Nov 29 13:34:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: References: <41AA3B53.9070002@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <41AB2553.4040000@hkfree.org> Petr Dvo??k napsal(a): > v ramci rychle konstrukce pouzivam axialni tlumivky a sem pokojeny > Tohle je normalni oznaceni, nebo ta ma i nejaky blyzsi oznaceni??? (aby mi zase v gesu nerekli ze to neznaj) Jinak vsem dekuji za tipy... -- |=======================| | Cool-Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| |=======================| From spider at fonoc.net Mon Nov 29 13:35:03 2004 From: spider at fonoc.net (spider) Date: Mon Nov 29 13:35:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] What might be wrong here ? In-Reply-To: <1146.217.26.66.63.1101599011.squirrel@www.fonoc.net> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz><4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> <4159E305.7070608@hoidekr.net><415A607E.4050305@gybon.cz> <20041126214346.GB10516@beton.cybernet.src><1154.217.26.66.75.1101549975.squirrel@www.fonoc.net> <41A87B59.9010002@katka.biz> <1146.217.26.66.63.1101599011.squirrel@www.fonoc.net> Message-ID: <1346339980.20041129143503@fonoc.net> anyone... ? Sunday, November 28, 2004, 12:43:31 AM, spider wrote: >> What D-link NIC you have exactly ? sfn> DFE530-TX (via-rhine module) >> It should work as on knopix as on other linux with same kernel (you can >> try linux with newer kernel). You must set twister in loopback mode as >> you know. Probably the d-link NIC was not set to 10M FD mode. Or cable >> (or one of connectors) between twister and NIC should be buggy. >> >> You can use ethtool, mii-tool or mii-diag to set NIC to 10M Fullduplex >> mode. >> (http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaFullDuplexHints) sfn> I tried all that... mii-tool says that nic is in 10mbps FD, no link sfn> (this 'no link' is interesting... should it say something else? ) sfn> I also tried to pass options parameter and full_duplex directly to sfn> via-rhine module.. and same thing :) sfn> anyway.. i'll try to find some other nic to try again >>> what initiates trasmiter HPWT diode ? should it shine always ? >>> >>> >> yes, it should shine allways if modules connected and powered on. sfn> hmmmm.... and if only connected to power? (for examle if I disconnect 'TX' sfn> pin on CONN52 and leave everything else? -- Best regards, spider mailto:spider@fonoc.net From kendy at hkfree.org Mon Nov 29 13:37:39 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Mon Nov 29 13:37:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka References: <41AA3B53.9070002@hkfree.org> <41AB2553.4040000@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <027f01c4d618$99f75960$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Udelej to z toho dratu, mas pak jistotu ze se ti nespali kdyz by sis "skrtl" Kendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cool Explosion" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka > Petr Dvo??k napsal(a): > > > v ramci rychle konstrukce pouzivam axialni tlumivky a sem pokojeny > > > Tohle je normalni oznaceni, nebo ta ma i nejaky blyzsi oznaceni??? (aby > mi zase v gesu nerekli ze to neznaj) > > Jinak vsem dekuji za tipy... > > > -- > |=======================| > | Cool-Explosion | > | ICQ: 262619019 | > |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| > |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| > |=======================| > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Mon Nov 29 13:39:51 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Mon Nov 29 13:40:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: <41AB2553.4040000@hkfree.org> References: <41AA3B53.9070002@hkfree.org> <41AB2553.4040000@hkfree.org> Message-ID: axialni tlumivka 1uH.. znaj to ROOTen On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:34:11 +0100, Cool Explosion wrote: > Petr Dvo??k napsal(a): > >> v ramci rychle konstrukce pouzivam axialni tlumivky a sem pokojeny >> > Tohle je normalni oznaceni, nebo ta ma i nejaky blyzsi oznaceni??? (aby > mi zase v gesu nerekli ze to neznaj) > > Jinak vsem dekuji za tipy... > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Nov 29 18:15:08 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Nov 29 18:16:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: References: <41AB2553.4040000@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <41AB753C.20345.18C964@localhost> Konkretne v GESu je to civka SMCC 1,00uH A k tomu doporucuju do napajeni dat pojistku PFRA.090 pak to prezije vselijake zkratovaci pokusy. Jen ta pojistka musi byt pekne na vzduchu neb se pri zkratu rozpali na cca 100?C. > axialni tlumivka 1uH.. znaj to > > ROOTen > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:34:11 +0100, Cool Explosion > wrote: > > > Petr Dvo ?k napsal(a): > > > >> v ramci rychle konstrukce pouzivam axialni tlumivky a sem pokojeny > >> > > Tohle je normalni oznaceni, nebo ta ma i nejaky blyzsi oznaceni??? (aby > > mi zase v gesu nerekli ze to neznaj) > > > > Jinak vsem dekuji za tipy... From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 29 19:18:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 29 19:19:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister In-Reply-To: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> References: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Message-ID: <20041129191856.GA2502@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 01:21:57PM +0100, Kendy wrote: > Je mozne ze nezakrytovane twistery , ktere sou mezi sebou propojeny > zpusobuji packetloss (cca 30%) na std. velikosti pingu a kdyz dam -s 1480 > tak se uplne odpoji sitova karta (hlasi no link) a ping neprojde ani > jeden... , po killnuti toho velkeho pingu zase link ok. > > Je mozne ze to je nejake ruseni, ktere zakrytovanim zmizi ? > > I think that no. More probable cause is bad cable between the two twisters (too long, unsuitable type or unsuitable connection). Can you send a photo of the system during testing? CL< > Kendy From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 29 19:24:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 29 19:24:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister In-Reply-To: <002401c4c8c8$83ea47c0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> References: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> <4194BB13.5070703@poupe.net> <002401c4c8c8$83ea47c0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Message-ID: <20041129192402.GB2502@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 04:01:13PM +0100, Kendy wrote: > No ja to mam ted cerstve sprovozneny a mam to jen dva twistery proti sobe > napojeny jen "obyc" dratky, takze sem predpokladal ze to chyta ten > pocitacovej bordel co je ve vzduchu...... Is the wire a 20cm long three-wire as says the Czech translation of testing Tetrapolis? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 29 19:25:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 29 19:25:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister In-Reply-To: <005601c4c8cc$6fd489e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <002401c4c8c8$83ea47c0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> <005601c4c8cc$6fd489e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20041129192553.GC2502@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 04:29:44PM +0100, Cipis wrote: > pokud jsem ty twistery m?l propojen? jen k?bl?k?ma na stole, tak to skoro > nejelo co to bylo za kabliky, jak byly dlouhe, jak byly zapojene a byly smotane, blizko u sebe nebo daleko? CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 29 19:31:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 29 19:31:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX modul NE592 a jeho nezapojene vyvody In-Reply-To: <4194F0F0.8030506@hkfree.org> References: <4194F0F0.8030506@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20041129193126.GD2502@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 06:20:48PM +0100, Kendy wrote: > Ve schematu je ze nezapojene vyvody 2,6,9,13 se maji pripojit na GND -> > ok. Ale bude nejaky problem kdyz i vyvody 3 a 12 budou take na zem > napojene ? Ma to nekdo tak zapojeno ? V PDF k 592 jsou tyto dva vyvody > oznaceny jako NC, takze by to snad vadit nemelo ... Nebo opak je pravdou ?? According to http://ronja.twibright.com/datasheets/NE592.pdf They aren't NC. Do not connect them to ground. What datasheet did you have? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 29 19:34:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 29 19:34:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezakrytovany Twister In-Reply-To: <4194F9BE.3050803@hkfree.org> References: <006b01c4c8b2$35b1dfc0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> <41950248.20905@ido.cz> <4194F9BE.3050803@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20041129193420.GE2502@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 06:58:22PM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > On ten PL neni pravidelny. Treba projde bez problemu 60 paketu, a pak 4 > vypadnou, 3 projdou ,6 vypadne, 30 projde , 2 vypadnou... This looks like time-dependent external interference. Aren't you having WiFi or GSM appliance near? Cl< > Neni to uplne pravidelny PL. > Uz mam material na krabicky, takze budu vyrabet krabicky a pak se uvidi. > > Cim ty mas (mel si) propojene oba twistery ? Nejakym koaxem ? > Ja je propojil jen dvoudratem (ustipl sem z rozbiteho bedny od compu ten > drat co na nem je dioda na prednim panelu. Ten sem zapojil do jednoho > twisteru RX a TX (bez GND) a do druheho twisteru sem prohodil jen RX a > TX. Vse lezelo na stole mezi dvema pocitaci, ktery jeden z nich byl v > krabici a druhy je vosi (testovaci) hnizdo bez case. Takze ruseni tam > mohlo byt az az... This is wrong. You must connect the ground too, as is described in Czech translation of tertrapolis testing (I'll translate it into the english one too sometimes) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 29 19:37:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 29 19:37:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <000801c4c91d$d90a4520$9664000a@maximumspeed> References: <000801c4c91d$d90a4520$9664000a@maximumspeed> Message-ID: <20041129193714.GF2502@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 02:12:30AM +0100, Maximumspeed wrote: > Ahoj mam postavene 2 TW po pripojeni PC to PC karty 10Full (Twistry jsou > propojene krizem TX1 - RX2 a RX1 - TX2) win hlasi kabel pripojen, na > twistrech poblikavaji led - jelikoz win hlasi ze je kabel pripojen tusim ze > oba smery musi fungovat. Co se kde musi jeste nastavovat aby sel ping ? See http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php > > kdyz to pripojim mezi PC a obyc 10/100 switch je to same win hlasi ze je > pripojeno (PC v 10half natvrdo ale i na auto !?) Sorry, I don't understand this question. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 29 19:48:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 29 19:48:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX modul NE592 a jeho nezapojene vyvody In-Reply-To: <1100373377.41965d81cbf97@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <4194F0F0.8030506@hkfree.org> <1100373377.41965d81cbf97@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20041129194815.GG2502@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 08:16:17PM +0100, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > S NE592 od Philipse to fungovat nebude, ten ma tyhle vyvody vyuzity pro rizeni > zisku. > S NE592 od Texas Instruments by to fungovat melo. The TI chip is called TL592, not NE592 Added tl592 datasheet, listed in datasheet page and added into receiver equivalents together with pin 3 and 12 remark. Cl< From insys at uol.com.br Mon Nov 29 21:17:34 2004 From: insys at uol.com.br (Aldo Caetano) Date: Mon Nov 29 21:17:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Electronic parts to buy Message-ID: <007401c4d658$dac0efc0$05fea8c0@active> Hi all, I need to now about some people which deploy electronic parts (only electronic), i have a little company in Brazil and i have some interesting to buy electronic parts. Thanks in advance ------------------------------------------------------- Aldo Caetano. Intelectus Systems Av. ACM, 2501 Sala 1218 Cidadela CEP: 40.288-900 - Salvador - Bahia (71) 3491-2635 http://www.intelectus.com.br ------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041129/20d4f8e3/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 29 22:47:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 29 22:47:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI In-Reply-To: <1946322208.20041114192525@volny.cz> References: <1947815666.20041114093026@volny.cz> <20041114125518.GB10772@beton.cybernet.src> <1946322208.20041114192525@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041129224722.GA1020@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 07:25:25PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Pripojis Twistra k sitovce, sitovka nahlasi status activ. Das ping a Activ jako activ co? Autonegotiation? link integrity? > Rx LED ma blikat v rytmu pingu. Pri ping -f se ma tlumene rozsvitit. > > Misto toho si blika jak chce, rozhodne ne v rytmu dat. Tak treba nafunguje protismer nebo je to nejak blbe nakonfigurovany. Muzou to bejt ARP requesty. Podivej se na ten interface tcpdumpem a uvidis, co se tam deje. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 29 22:49:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Nov 29 22:49:13 2004 Subject: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <200411142115.50070.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <20041108230405.GC4394@beton.cybernet.src> <200411142115.50070.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041129224914.GB1020@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:15:49PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > This seems like start of an fucking flamewar, but ... > I do not want to learn better english to communicate with czech people, the > majority nation in this list. > My english is poor and i must give my brain power to write in english and then > i have not enough to solve the main problem. > Sorry. > Clock may try to split this list into two parts, one czech and one > international in english and use machine translator to exchange between them. > Maybe, maybe not :-D > > BTW: Writing this reply was a 10 min. job for me, in czech i write it in 30 > secs. In similar case i forget what i want to write. Next time, it's going to be a 9min:50sec job :) Cl< From espace at atlas.cz Mon Nov 29 23:09:34 2004 From: espace at atlas.cz (Pepa Kohout) Date: Mon Nov 29 23:09:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kompatibilita twisteru s AUI Message-ID: Ahoj, predem se omlouvam za blby dotaz=2E=2E=2E Momentalne provozuju Ronju na jednom konci s 3C590 AUI v PC a na druhe = strane je na AUI interfejsu nabastleny TP transceiver=2E Problem je, ze= potrebuji nahradit AUI sitovku AP wifinou, takze jsem zkusil naprat TP= transceiver na obe strany ale ouha, collision a konec=2E Muj dotaz tedy zni: bude fungovat kombinace Twister na jedne strane Ron= ji a AUI/TP transceiver na druhe strane? Na obou stranach budou 10/100 = huby=2E Nejde mi ani tak o maximalni vyuzitelnou rychlost linky, ale je= stli to vubec bude fungovat, nebo jestli musim stavet dva Twistery nebo= jak to zaonacit ?? Diky, Venca From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 30 07:50:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 30 07:50:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI In-Reply-To: <004701c4cb1e$1d7857e0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <1947815666.20041114093026@volny.cz> <20041114125518.GB10772@beton.cybernet.src> <1946322208.20041114192525@volny.cz> <004701c4cb1e$1d7857e0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041130075021.GB24210@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 03:19:22PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > To vis...nove funkce MDX/MDXI jsou na hovno. Is auto MDI/MDX a function that tries to determine whether the adjacent cable is wired straight or crossed over? I tried to search for the string "mdx" in IEEE802.3 from year 2002 and found absolutely nothing. Do you know where this thing is specified? Cl< > Napriklad takovej Crusader s tim ma taky problemy....ML6652 nezna auto MDX > system signal. > -=RYS=- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ondrej Tesar" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:25 PM > Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI > > > > Pripojis Twistra k sitovce, sitovka nahlasi status activ. Das ping a > > Rx LED ma blikat v rytmu pingu. Pri ping -f se ma tlumene rozsvitit. > > > > Misto toho si blika jak chce, rozhodne ne v rytmu dat. > > > > S Intelem se to chova podle ocekavani. > > > > Uvidim jak to bude az se ten spoj dozameri, ale radsi jsme to > > pripojili na ten Intel. > > > > Ondra > > > > KK> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:30:26AM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > >> Zdravim, > > >> vcera jsme zjistili, ze se Twister nejak nechyta s touto sitovkou: > > > > KK> Co znamena nechyta? > > > > KK> Cl< > > >> 4port Dlink PCI (4xRJ45 na jednom PCI slotu). > > >> Prendali jsme ho tedy do Intela a tam jede. > > >> Casem to snad jeste prezkousime dukladne nekde doma, ale kdybyste to > > >> nekdo takhle chtel pouzit tak bacha, pripadne referujte vase > > >> zkusenosti. > > >> > > >> Ondra > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Ronja mailing list > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > KK> _______________________________________________ > > KK> Ronja mailing list > > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 30 08:44:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 30 08:44:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A918@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A918@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20041130084421.GC24210@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 08:37:55AM +0100, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Ahoj, > > Tak jsem se konecne po pul roce dostal k pajeni twistera. > > Poznatky: > - na webu neni (nebo jsem nenasel) orientace konektoru > se zamky na tistaku + orientace stabilizatoru na plochym > kabliku s konektorem (pokud je navod pro lamy, tak bych > to jako lama ocenil...) It is there: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/assignment.png > > - nikde neni jak a kam se ma priletovat ten kondik (nebo > jich je vic?) ke stabilizatoru This was a problem of the guide. Fixed. Added a comprehensible drawing. Thanks for report. > > Otazky: > - civka - muzu pouzit drat .75 a 1.5 - ktery je lepsi? Yes > - muzu kombinovat na jednom twistru 74HC164 a 74HCT164? Yes > > Zatim mi chybi 26LS31 36LS32 a 16MHz osc. Budu se > asi muset vydat do Prahy. Maj je normalne v GM skladem? At least sometimes yes. I bought them there. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Nov 30 11:20:27 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Nov 30 11:21:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI References: <1947815666.20041114093026@volny.cz><20041114125518.GB10772@beton.cybernet.src><1946322208.20041114192525@volny.cz><004701c4cb1e$1d7857e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041130075021.GB24210@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c4d6ce$999125d0$d203a8c0@diablo> Zkusil sem zagooglovat a nasel sem par nejasnych odkazu... Ale vetsina ve spojeni s MDI/MDI-X nebo auto-crossover smerovala na RFC-2684 viz nize.... All Ethernet ports support auto-crossover (MDI/MDI ... LAN Mode Support : Routed / Bridge Ethernet Over ATM (RFC-2684). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 03:19:22PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > To vis...nove funkce MDX/MDXI jsou na hovno. > > Is auto MDI/MDX a function that tries to determine whether the > adjacent cable is wired straight or crossed over? > > I tried to search for the string "mdx" in IEEE802.3 from year 2002 and > found absolutely nothing. > > Do you know where this thing is specified? > > Cl< > > Napriklad takovej Crusader s tim ma taky problemy....ML6652 nezna auto MDX > > system signal. > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ondrej Tesar" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:25 PM > > Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] 4port Dlink PCI > > > > > > > Pripojis Twistra k sitovce, sitovka nahlasi status activ. Das ping a > > > Rx LED ma blikat v rytmu pingu. Pri ping -f se ma tlumene rozsvitit. > > > > > > Misto toho si blika jak chce, rozhodne ne v rytmu dat. > > > > > > S Intelem se to chova podle ocekavani. > > > > > > Uvidim jak to bude az se ten spoj dozameri, ale radsi jsme to > > > pripojili na ten Intel. > > > > > > Ondra > > > > > > KK> On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:30:26AM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > > >> Zdravim, > > > >> vcera jsme zjistili, ze se Twister nejak nechyta s touto sitovkou: > > > > > > KK> Co znamena nechyta? > > > > > > KK> Cl< > > > >> 4port Dlink PCI (4xRJ45 na jednom PCI slotu). > > > >> Prendali jsme ho tedy do Intela a tam jede. > > > >> Casem to snad jeste prezkousime dukladne nekde doma, ale kdybyste to > > > >> nekdo takhle chtel pouzit tak bacha, pripadne referujte vase > > > >> zkusenosti. > > > >> > > > >> Ondra > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Ronja mailing list > > > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > KK> _______________________________________________ > > > KK> Ronja mailing list > > > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Tue Nov 30 12:13:51 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Tue Nov 30 12:14:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB35B882@vestex01.vest.corp> Dik. Uz mi bezej. Ted me ceka rx/tx :-( -- Kosac -----Original Message----- From: Karel Kulhavy [mailto:clock@twibright.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:44 AM To: Twibright Ronja Subject: Re: [Ronja] twister On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 08:37:55AM +0100, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Ahoj, > > Tak jsem se konecne po pul roce dostal k pajeni twistera. > > Poznatky: > - na webu neni (nebo jsem nenasel) orientace konektoru > se zamky na tistaku + orientace stabilizatoru na plochym kabliku s > konektorem (pokud je navod pro lamy, tak bych to jako lama ocenil...) It is there: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/assignment.png > > - nikde neni jak a kam se ma priletovat ten kondik (nebo > jich je vic?) ke stabilizatoru This was a problem of the guide. Fixed. Added a comprehensible drawing. Thanks for report. > > Otazky: > - civka - muzu pouzit drat .75 a 1.5 - ktery je lepsi? Yes > - muzu kombinovat na jednom twistru 74HC164 a 74HCT164? Yes > > Zatim mi chybi 26LS31 36LS32 a 16MHz osc. Budu se > asi muset vydat do Prahy. Maj je normalne v GM skladem? At least sometimes yes. I bought them there. Cl< _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From tomtom at atlas.sk Tue Nov 30 17:39:07 2004 From: tomtom at atlas.sk (tomtom@atlas.sk) Date: Tue Nov 30 17:39:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) Message-ID: <710abf8b8d514c2691520229110f64fe@atlas.sk> Ahojte! Prosim Vas kto ma na predaj PLOSNE SPOJE na TWISTER k ronji??=20 Kupim na cene sa dohodneme=2E=20 Kontaktujte ma na tomtom@atlas=2Esk=20 Dakujem=2E From tomtom at atlas.sk Tue Nov 30 17:47:10 2004 From: tomtom at atlas.sk (tomtom@atlas.sk) Date: Tue Nov 30 17:47:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plosne spoje na twister Message-ID: <123c2d2e240641ab824a443d52e70a1f@atlas.sk> Ahoj Kto mi pordi? Potrebujem plosaky na twister a=20 neviem kde ich zohnat pripadne kupit alebo objednat kto ma alebo mi dokaze poradit, napiste mi na tomtom@atlas=2Esk alebo +421908481608=20 vopred dakujem za skore ale hlavne pozitivne odpovede :) From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Tue Nov 30 18:20:37 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Tue Nov 30 18:20:46 2004 Subject: List Language - Was: Re: [Ronja] licensing Ronja under GNU FDL In-Reply-To: <20041129224914.GB1020@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041108193142.GA3490@beton.cybernet.src> <20041108230405.GC4394@beton.cybernet.src> <200411142115.50070.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20041129224914.GB1020@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: I mean that czechs may speak CZECH! ROOTen On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:49:14 +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:15:49PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: >> This seems like start of an fucking flamewar, but ... >> I do not want to learn better english to communicate with czech people, >> the >> majority nation in this list. >> My english is poor and i must give my brain power to write in english >> and then >> i have not enough to solve the main problem. >> Sorry. >> Clock may try to split this list into two parts, one czech and one >> international in english and use machine translator to exchange between >> them. >> Maybe, maybe not :-D >> >> BTW: Writing this reply was a 10 min. job for me, in czech i write it >> in 30 >> secs. In similar case i forget what i want to write. > > Next time, it's going to be a 9min:50sec job :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/