From steebe at seznam.cz Tue Jun 1 04:24:09 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Tue Jun 1 04:24:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution References: <40AE56E5.2060603@poupe.net> <40B619C2.6050003@sattnet.cz><40B61A90.1000200@poupe.net> <01f801c44762$acbb4e20$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <001a01c44787$ea02b6e0$0581000a@steebe> ur?it? vem .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bratrk" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution Na poslednim (a take prvnim) predavani Twisteru jsem zajemcum rozdal cca 6 kg silikagelu. Podarilo se mi ho nafasovat dalsich cca 12 kg. pokud nekdo bude mit zajem tak to na pristi predavani dotahnu. Jsu to papirove sacky po 40 g. Dejte mi vedet jestli bude zajem, at se s tim netahnu zbytecne.. bk Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Jun 1 05:18:12 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Jun 1 05:22:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution References: <40AE56E5.2060603@poupe.net> <40B619C2.6050003@sattnet.cz><40B61A90.1000200@poupe.net> <01f801c44762$acbb4e20$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <002c01c4478f$fc0f19c0$6529a8c0@diablo> Na co je ten silikagel? Podle nazvu predpokladam, ze to bude neco jako silikonovy tmel (na utesneni trubek proti vode), ze? ----- Original Message ----- From: "bratrk" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > Na poslednim (a take prvnim) predavani Twisteru jsem zajemcum rozdal cca 6 > kg silikagelu. > Podarilo se mi ho nafasovat dalsich cca 12 kg. pokud nekdo bude mit zajem > tak to na pristi predavani dotahnu. Jsu to papirove sacky po 40 g. > > Dejte mi vedet jestli bude zajem, at se s tim netahnu zbytecne.. > > bk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > dej mi tyden - mam dost prace a maturuji :-( > > vsem se ozvu pristi tyden. > > Kneza > > > > > > Do konference to asi patrit nemelo!!! > > > > > > David Sedl??ek wrote: > > > Pisu po nekolikate - mohl bys na muj mail poslat cislo uctu a sumu, > > > kterou ti mam poslat jako doplatek + postovne? Obratem poslu adresu a > > > penize. Psal jsem ti na mail uz nekolikrat. Dik > > > > > > Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > > > > > >> Ahoj, > > >> > > >> tak po dnesnim predavacim srazu jiz bylo predano 121ks PCB. > > >> Rozesilani postou se uskutecni zrejmne behem pristiho tydne, ale nevim > > >> nevim (mam svatak) ... uvidime ... dalsi sraz se uskutecni po me > > >> maturite (cca za 1,5tydne - 2 tydny). > > >> > > >> Thanks vsem co prisli. > > >> Kneza > > >> > > >> > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> after today Ronja Twister meeting, 121 pieces of PCB has been > > >> delivered to their owners. > > >> Sending by Czech Post (read Snailmail) will be done next week, but not > > >> sure - I will be trying to do leaving-exam on my school :-). > > >> Next IRL meeting will be sometime about 2 weeks later from todays. > > >> > > >> Thanks all today's visitors :-) > > >> Kneza > > >> > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Jun 1 06:34:40 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Jun 1 06:34:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja a luxeon References: <40BBACFB.5020509@volny.cz> Message-ID: <001e01c4479a$22f2f520$0103450a@thechosen> co svab 04 to 25mA (5mA na hradlo) takze jich tam mas opravdu malo :) ale jestli to funi tak .. spis myslim ze to nebudis plnym proudem. nejak mi utkvelo v hlave ze tyhle IO maj omezenej odber z hradla. ale nevim, meril si kolik tim tece? na takovejhle odber by se siklo uz udelat nejakej jinej driver, ale jakej? :) > Jo ta cena sedi jen priblizne, protoze me ho prodali asi za 470Kc s dani .. > Zapojeni je normalni vysilac, kde jsou nektere odpory prislusne snizene, > protoze odber to ma asi 350mA. Taky jsou tam pridane 74HC04, je jich > tam na sobe 6. Nevim ovsem jestli je to dost na ten proud? Funguje to, > ale nemuze se to znicit? Tohle jeste vykoumane nemame, byl to jen quick > hack, abychom zjistili jestli to bude fungovat a jak to bude fungovat. > Kdyz o tom mluvime, uz je prenesenych 28G a dalsi hbite nabihaj :) > > /Shake > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Jun 1 06:36:02 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?Q?Michal_Mal=C5=AF=C5=A1ek?=) Date: Tue Jun 1 06:36:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution References: <40AE56E5.2060603@poupe.net><40B619C2.6050003@sattnet.cz><40B61A90.1000200@poupe.net><01f801c44762$acbb4e20$020a210a@marekbk> <002c01c4478f$fc0f19c0$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <002801c4479a$53772770$0103450a@thechosen> ne, je to chemikalie co pohlcuje vodu. urcite vem, ja bych si z dovolenim take vzal, ale musim se dovedet kdy ten sraz je :) Glo ------------- Na co je ten silikagel? Podle nazvu predpokladam, ze to bude neco jako silikonovy tmel (na utesneni trubek proti vode), ze? ----- Original Message ----- From: "bratrk" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > Na poslednim (a take prvnim) predavani Twisteru jsem zajemcum rozdal cca 6 > kg silikagelu. > Podarilo se mi ho nafasovat dalsich cca 12 kg. pokud nekdo bude mit zajem > tak to na pristi predavani dotahnu. Jsu to papirove sacky po 40 g. > > Dejte mi vedet jestli bude zajem, at se s tim netahnu zbytecne.. > > bk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > dej mi tyden - mam dost prace a maturuji :-( > > vsem se ozvu pristi tyden. > > Kneza > > > > > > Do konference to asi patrit nemelo!!! > > > > > > David Sedl??ek wrote: > > > Pisu po nekolikate - mohl bys na muj mail poslat cislo uctu a sumu, > > > kterou ti mam poslat jako doplatek + postovne? Obratem poslu adresu a > > > penize. Psal jsem ti na mail uz nekolikrat. Dik > > > > > > Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > > > > > >> Ahoj, > > >> > > >> tak po dnesnim predavacim srazu jiz bylo predano 121ks PCB. > > >> Rozesilani postou se uskutecni zrejmne behem pristiho tydne, ale nevim > > >> nevim (mam svatak) ... uvidime ... dalsi sraz se uskutecni po me > > >> maturite (cca za 1,5tydne - 2 tydny). > > >> > > >> Thanks vsem co prisli. > > >> Kneza > > >> > > >> > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> after today Ronja Twister meeting, 121 pieces of PCB has been > > >> delivered to their owners. > > >> Sending by Czech Post (read Snailmail) will be done next week, but not > > >> sure - I will be trying to do leaving-exam on my school :-). > > >> Next IRL meeting will be sometime about 2 weeks later from todays. > > >> > > >> Thanks all today's visitors :-) > > >> Kneza > > >> > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 1 07:24:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jun 1 07:24:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution In-Reply-To: <002c01c4478f$fc0f19c0$6529a8c0@diablo>; from mixaj@mymail.cz on Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:18:12AM +0200 References: <40AE56E5.2060603@poupe.net> <40B619C2.6050003@sattnet.cz><40B61A90.1000200@poupe.net> <01f801c44762$acbb4e20$020a210a@marekbk> <002c01c4478f$fc0f19c0$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040601062446.B891@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:18:12AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Na co je ten silikagel? > Podle nazvu predpokladam, ze to bude neco jako silikonovy tmel (na utesneni > trubek proti vode), ze? Kulicky na vysouseni vlhkosti. Cl< > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bratrk" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > Na poslednim (a take prvnim) predavani Twisteru jsem zajemcum rozdal cca 6 > > kg silikagelu. > > Podarilo se mi ho nafasovat dalsich cca 12 kg. pokud nekdo bude mit zajem > > tak to na pristi predavani dotahnu. Jsu to papirove sacky po 40 g. > > > > Dejte mi vedet jestli bude zajem, at se s tim netahnu zbytecne.. > > > > bk > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Knezourek" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:42 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > > > > dej mi tyden - mam dost prace a maturuji :-( > > > vsem se ozvu pristi tyden. > > > Kneza > > > > > > > > > Do konference to asi patrit nemelo!!! > > > > > > > > > David Sedl????ek wrote: > > > > Pisu po nekolikate - mohl bys na muj mail poslat cislo uctu a sumu, > > > > kterou ti mam poslat jako doplatek + postovne? Obratem poslu adresu a > > > > penize. Psal jsem ti na mail uz nekolikrat. Dik > > > > > > > > Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > > > > > > > >> Ahoj, > > > >> > > > >> tak po dnesnim predavacim srazu jiz bylo predano 121ks PCB. > > > >> Rozesilani postou se uskutecni zrejmne behem pristiho tydne, ale > nevim > > > >> nevim (mam svatak) ... uvidime ... dalsi sraz se uskutecni po me > > > >> maturite (cca za 1,5tydne - 2 tydny). > > > >> > > > >> Thanks vsem co prisli. > > > >> Kneza > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hello, > > > >> > > > >> after today Ronja Twister meeting, 121 pieces of PCB has been > > > >> delivered to their owners. > > > >> Sending by Czech Post (read Snailmail) will be done next week, but > not > > > >> sure - I will be trying to do leaving-exam on my school :-). > > > >> Next IRL meeting will be sometime about 2 weeks later from todays. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks all today's visitors :-) > > > >> Kneza > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Jun 1 10:29:09 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Jun 1 10:27:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? In-Reply-To: <002501c4474f$2bb7f0c0$6529a8c0@diablo> References: <20040531192253Z1596075-4326+166132@mail.centrum.cz> <002501c4474f$2bb7f0c0$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <1358602420.20040601112909@volny.cz> Zdraim, mam pocit, ze " 3 brouky like fucking" taky asi neosadi... U tech SMD Rx a Tx bych doporucil to nechat osadit bez tech cinchu, at si tam kazdej da co uzna za vhodny pripadne pripaji rovnou draty. OndraT JM> A vite co? JM> Ja Vam sem pro predstavu ty ceny, ktere mam hodim. JM> Jedna so o Clockova Twistera a Rx +Tx od Jana Karla Skontorpa. JM> Cena v?roby DPS diktovano po telefonu, nemam to na papire z duvodu JM> nefunkcnosti mail serveru: JM> Twister 123kc (50ks) 83kc (150ks) JM> Rx a Tx 83kc (50ks) 55kc (150ks) JM> U prvni vyroby se pocita neco za vyrobu filmu apod celkem cca 1500-1800kc JM> U opakovane je to asi polovina. JM> Cena osazovani: JM> (cenova kalkulace je za vsechny soucastky krome konektoru a LED diod u JM> Twisteru (kazdy ma jinou predstavu, co tam da za konektory, jestli je tam JM> vubec da a do jake krabicky to osadit) a u Rx a Tx je cenova kalkulace za JM> vse bez Rx a Tx diody.) JM> Klasika JM> Twister 50ks 155,- 100ks 135,- + JM> tlumivka namot?n? cca 15,- Kc JM> Rx 50 ks 34,- 100 ks 29,- JM> Tx 50ks 40,- 100 ks 33,- JM> SMD JM> Rx 50 ks 23,40 100 ks 23,40 JM> Tx 50ks 12,48 100 ks 12,48 JM> ?ablona pro s?totisk: ? 2 800,- JM> P??prava v?roby: 1 850,- ; opakovan? 725,- JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From gall at p.lodz.pl Tue Jun 1 13:04:11 2004 From: gall at p.lodz.pl (Wojciech Gabryjelski) Date: Tue Jun 1 13:04:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divergence cone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <80BD1E399E05D11189CB00805F067D0CB7D347@sir.p.lodz.pl> Do you practicaly get the divergence cone of 1,9mrad? Is that mean that the diameter of the LED's image on the building 500m away is: 1,9 * 500m * 2 = 1,9m Does anybody try to measure this way? The problem is, that my neighbours living next window 5m from my receiver get a quite strong signal... /Woj./ From polous at katka.biz Tue Jun 1 17:22:22 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Jun 1 17:22:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) References: <40BBACFB.5020509@volny.cz> Message-ID: <005601c447f4$9e2edc40$0100a8c0@p0l0us> Zdravim, Tak sem to cele zapojil dohromady a tesil se, jak poslu vzduchem prvni packet. Jenze ono nic. Zpetne sem otestoval, jestli twistery opravdu bezej ale jen co sem je prepojil a pustil to spojeni bylo opet spolehlive navazano. Testpoity modulu jsou: Tx (a - b): P1 - 0V - 0V P2 - 5,04V - 5,00V P3 - 4,48V - 4,43V P4 - 5,03V - 5,00V P5 - 9,69V - 9,71V ... Tx ledka trosku pohasne P6 - 4,14V - (4,11V - Rosciti se mi obe RxLedky na Twistrovy) P7 - 1V - 0.995V P8 - 5,05V - 5,0V P9 - 11,96V - 11,86V Rx (a - b): P101 - 10,91V - 11,1V P102 - 3,38V - 3,42V P103 - 0,1mV - 0.2mV P104 - 7,19V - 6.94V - rozsviti se obe Rx led na twistrovy P105 - 3,63V - 3,47V P106 - 5.5V - 5,53V P107 - podle vzdalenosti 0-4V pri testovani tak 2.6V P108 - 10,72V - 10,76V P109 - 4,80V - 4,81V P110 - 11,80V - 11,85V Zapojeni je: TwA - dvolinka 10-20cm Tx TwA - dvolinka 10-20cm Tx TwA - dvolinka 10-20cm Tx TwA - dvolinka 10-20cm Tx Timto sem neskoncil. Pri hrani si z programem winscope jem zjistil, ze ac program mezi 1Mhz data nezaregistruje, tak ja ano. Slysel jsem ve sluchatkach vzdy kdyz blikla ledka sitovky cvaknuti (u obou modulu). Tedy konstatoval jsem, ze jde o data ze sitokvy. Pri dalsim zkoumani jsem zjistil, ze mezi "hlukem" vydavanym Rx modulem je slyset i toto cvaknuti. Hluk[sum](bordel) se snizoval na harmonicke bzuceni vzdalenosti vysilaci ledky Tx od prijmaci led Rx. Provedl jsem zkousku kam az se dostava "cvakani". Kdyz jsem propojil twistery mezi sebou, tak byl (velice tise az neslysitelne) slyset i na Tx pinu tw. kabelu. Kdyz jsem to pustil prez moduly Rx/Tx konci cvakatni u obvodu U55. Mam samozrejmne na mysli cvakani co prichazi z Rx, tedo co vysila druhy twister. U druheho twisteru tam slabe a ne vzdy procvakava i jeho vlastni Tx. Zkousel jsem program G*o*l*d*W*a*v*e a pri spravnem nastaveni (192000, mono, spectrogram) bylo mozne sledovat "cvakani" i vizuelne (i kdyz nektere svojim nacasovanim unikly), takze poslouchat zvuky je asi ucinejsi a praktictejsi. 1) Zajma mne, jestli tento zpusob testovani je vhodny pro tento ucel nebo jestli je to moc velka kravina ? 2) Kde by mohla byt nejaka chyba ? From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Jun 1 17:23:21 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Jun 1 17:24:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution Message-ID: <20040601162324Z1596172-4326+191250@mail.centrum.cz> no,tak to ten nazev fakt vystihli. SilikaGel a sou to SutrKulicky..... taky sem si myslel ze je to neco jak tavne lepidlo ci co....... je to to co se dava aji do bot? takovy maly sacicek toho byva. jesi je to co myslim tak to davali kdysi i do sumiveho celaskonu a jak sme ho sezrali tak sem se stim jako decko bavil :))..... mozna by to na pozadani v butiku z tech bot vykradli..;) .... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 06:24:46 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:18:12AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Na co je ten silikagel? > > Podle nazvu predpokladam, ze to bude neco jako silikonovy tmel (na utesneni > > trubek proti vode), ze? > > Kulicky na vysouseni vlhkosti. > > Cl< > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bratrk" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > > > > Na poslednim (a take prvnim) predavani Twisteru jsem zajemcum rozdal cca 6 > > > kg silikagelu. > > > Podarilo se mi ho nafasovat dalsich cca 12 kg. pokud nekdo bude mit zajem > > > tak to na pristi predavani dotahnu. Jsu to papirove sacky po 40 g. > > > > > > Dejte mi vedet jestli bude zajem, at se s tim netahnu zbytecne.. > > > > > > bk > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michal Knezourek" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:42 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > > > > > > > dej mi tyden - mam dost prace a maturuji :-( > > > > vsem se ozvu pristi tyden. > > > > Kneza > > > > > > > > > > > > Do konference to asi patrit nemelo!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > David Sedl???ek wrote: > > > > > Pisu po nekolikate - mohl bys na muj mail poslat cislo uctu a sumu, > > > > > kterou ti mam poslat jako doplatek + postovne? Obratem poslu adresu a > > > > > penize. Psal jsem ti na mail uz nekolikrat. Dik > > > > > > > > > > Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > > > > > > > > > >> Ahoj, > > > > >> > > > > >> tak po dnesnim predavacim srazu jiz bylo predano 121ks PCB. > > > > >> Rozesilani postou se uskutecni zrejmne behem pristiho tydne, ale > > nevim > > > > >> nevim (mam svatak) ... uvidime ... dalsi sraz se uskutecni po me > > > > >> maturite (cca za 1,5tydne - 2 tydny). > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks vsem co prisli. > > > > >> Kneza > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Hello, > > > > >> > > > > >> after today Ronja Twister meeting, 121 pieces of PCB has been > > > > >> delivered to their owners. > > > > >> Sending by Czech Post (read Snailmail) will be done next week, but > > not > > > > >> sure - I will be trying to do leaving-exam on my school :-). > > > > >> Next IRL meeting will be sometime about 2 weeks later from todays. > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks all today's visitors :-) > > > > >> Kneza > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Tue Jun 1 17:32:29 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Jun 1 17:32:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) - testovani zvukovkou + proc mi to nejede References: <40BBACFB.5020509@volny.cz> <005601c447f4$9e2edc40$0100a8c0@p0l0us> Message-ID: <006401c447f6$08290750$0100a8c0@p0l0us> sakris.. ten ten email mi utek driv nez sem ho stacil poslat :( [* autor asi omlylem nahodou zmackul nespravnou kombinaci klaves :-| *] takze doplnim akorat cast jak je to zapojene: Zapojeni je: TwA - dvolinka 10-20cm TxA [misto koaxu] TwB - dvolinka 10-20cm TxB [misto koaxu] TwA - dvolinka 10-20cm RxA [misto koaxu] TwB - dvolinka 10-20cm RxB [misto koaxu] TxA - dvolinka 10-20cm RxA [napajeni + to +, - to - ] TxB - dvolinka 10-20cm RxB [napajeni + to +, - to - ] Jeste co jsem zpozoroval, kdyz priblizim TxA-TxB (aniz by svitili na Rx[a/b]), tak se mi rozviti zelena ledka na twistrovy (nebo na obou). Zkuste prosim poradit Pekny odpolende/podvecer vsem p0l0us From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Jun 1 17:34:58 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Jun 1 17:36:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? Message-ID: <20040601163505Z1600492-4326+191504@mail.centrum.cz> .... no ja nevim, ale pride mi to celkem levne. nez se smolit s tim ze cek prohodi 2 odpory a pak to kdo vi jak dlouho ledat.... vyhrivat si cely den gzycht nad pajkou..... ... ja myslim ze by nebylo marne zrealizovat nakou vetsi obednavku i osazenych..... ? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Jaroslav Mixa" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:38:02 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? > > A vite co? > Ja Vam sem pro predstavu ty ceny, ktere mam hodim. > Jedna so o Clockova Twistera a Rx +Tx od Jana Karla Skontorpa. > > Cena v?roby DPS diktovano po telefonu, nemam to na papire z duvodu > nefunkcnosti mail serveru: > Twister 123kc (50ks) 83kc (150ks) > Rx a Tx 83kc (50ks) 55kc (150ks) > U prvni vyroby se pocita neco za vyrobu filmu apod celkem cca 1500-1800kc > U opakovane je to asi polovina. > > > Cena osazovani: > (cenova kalkulace je za vsechny soucastky krome konektoru a LED diod u > Twisteru (kazdy ma jinou predstavu, co tam da za konektory, jestli je tam > vubec da a do jake krabicky to osadit) a u Rx a Tx je cenova kalkulace za > vse bez Rx a Tx diody.) > Klasika > > Twister 50ks 155,- 100ks 135,- + > tlumivka namot?n? cca 15,- Kc > > Rx 50 ks 34,- 100 ks 29,- > > Tx 50ks 40,- 100 ks 33,- > > > > SMD > > Rx 50 ks 23,40 100 ks 23,40 > > Tx 50ks 12,48 100 ks 12,48 > > > > ?ablona pro s?totisk: ? 2 800,- > > P??prava v?roby: 1 850,- ; opakovan? 725,- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Jun 1 17:42:21 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Jun 1 17:43:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divergence cone Message-ID: <20040601164222Z1596605-4324+191138@mail.centrum.cz> sory, tohle je mimo temat ale polocy se tu s czechami bavi? po anglicku?:) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Wojciech Gabryjelski" > Komu: > CC: > Datum: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:04:11 +0200 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Divergence cone > > Do you practicaly get the divergence cone of 1,9mrad? > > Is that mean that the diameter of the LED's image > on the building 500m away is: > > 1,9 * 500m * 2 = 1,9m > > Does anybody try to measure this way? > > The problem is, that my neighbours living next window > 5m from my receiver get a quite strong signal... > > /Woj./ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Jun 1 17:46:27 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Jun 1 17:46:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? References: <20040531192253Z1596075-4326+166132@mail.centrum.cz><002501c4474f$2bb7f0c0$6529a8c0@diablo> <1358602420.20040601112909@volny.cz> Message-ID: <003901c447f8$010c95c0$6529a8c0@diablo> JJ, mas dobrej postreh. Zapomenl jsem dodat, ze ty 3svabi na sobe by se museli doletovat rucne a ze ty cince tam nejsou (kvuli tomu, kdyby tam nekdo chtel dat primo draty).... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? > Zdraim, > mam pocit, ze " 3 brouky like fucking" taky asi neosadi... > > U tech SMD Rx a Tx bych doporucil to nechat osadit bez tech cinchu, at > si tam kazdej da co uzna za vhodny pripadne pripaji rovnou draty. > > OndraT > > JM> A vite co? > JM> Ja Vam sem pro predstavu ty ceny, ktere mam hodim. > JM> Jedna so o Clockova Twistera a Rx +Tx od Jana Karla Skontorpa. > > JM> Cena v?roby DPS diktovano po telefonu, nemam to na papire z duvodu > JM> nefunkcnosti mail serveru: > JM> Twister 123kc (50ks) 83kc (150ks) > JM> Rx a Tx 83kc (50ks) 55kc (150ks) > JM> U prvni vyroby se pocita neco za vyrobu filmu apod celkem cca 1500-1800kc > JM> U opakovane je to asi polovina. > > > JM> Cena osazovani: > JM> (cenova kalkulace je za vsechny soucastky krome konektoru a LED diod u > JM> Twisteru (kazdy ma jinou predstavu, co tam da za konektory, jestli je tam > JM> vubec da a do jake krabicky to osadit) a u Rx a Tx je cenova kalkulace za > JM> vse bez Rx a Tx diody.) > JM> Klasika > > JM> Twister 50ks 155,- 100ks 135,- + > JM> tlumivka namot?n? cca 15,- Kc > > JM> Rx 50 ks 34,- 100 ks 29,- > > JM> Tx 50ks 40,- 100 ks 33,- > > > > JM> SMD > > JM> Rx 50 ks 23,40 100 ks 23,40 > > JM> Tx 50ks 12,48 100 ks 12,48 > > > > JM> ?ablona pro s?totisk: ? 2 800,- > > JM> P??prava v?roby: 1 850,- ; opakovan? 725,- > > > > > JM> _______________________________________________ > JM> Ronja mailing list > JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Tue Jun 1 18:06:24 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Jun 1 18:06:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? References: <20040601163505Z1600492-4326+191504@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <00d601c447fa$c4cecda0$0100a8c0@p0l0us> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? .... no ja nevim, ale pride mi to celkem levne. nez se smolit s tim ze cek prohodi 2 odpory a pak to kdo vi jak dlouho ledat.... vyhrivat si cely den gzycht nad pajkou..... ... ja myslim ze by nebylo marne zrealizovat nakou vetsi obednavku i osazenych..... ? ********************************** mno u Twisteru bych to nevidel - poptavka byla nedavno dost nasycena samotnymi DPS. Ale Rx/Tx pokud by to bylo za slusnou cenu by stalo za to. Pro tento ucel by bylo vhodne upravit Skontorpovo Rx tak, aby BF bylo take SMD a pokud se dela SMD i NE592 tak taky. Tx sem nezkoumal. Dal by bylo vhodne vyresit nejak kvalitneji ladeni - takze neosazovat a prislusne pady udelat je vetsi a tak aby byly dobre pristupne (pro pripajeni potaku na testovani a nasledovne vymeneni za rezistor se spravnou hodnotou). U skotorpova smd se mi podarilo poskodit si DPS prave pri ladeni, kdyz byly nevhodne mechanicky namahane prislusne pady. Ty jsou prizpusobene smd soucastkam. Druhe reseni je vetsi opatrnost pri testovani. Osobne bych pro nekolik kousku zajem mnel, ale nijak na tom netrvam. Pro mne je to otazka ceny, casu a nalady, protoze me to stavet celkem bavi... s pozdravem p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 1 18:10:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jun 1 18:10:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <005601c447f4$9e2edc40$0100a8c0@p0l0us>; from polous@katka.biz on Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:22:22PM +0200 References: <40BBACFB.5020509@volny.cz> <005601c447f4$9e2edc40$0100a8c0@p0l0us> Message-ID: <20040601171025.A3312@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:22:22PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > Zdravim, > > Tak sem to cele zapojil dohromady a tesil se, jak poslu vzduchem prvni > packet. Jenze ono nic. Zpetne sem otestoval, jestli twistery opravdu bezej > ale jen co sem je prepojil a pustil to spojeni bylo opet spolehlive > navazano. Testpoity modulu jsou: Napis prosimte jeste vedle ty hodnoty co tam maj bejt podle navodu. > > Tx (a - b): > P1 - 0V - 0V > P2 - 5,04V - 5,00V > P3 - 4,48V - 4,43V > P4 - 5,03V - 5,00V > P5 - 9,69V - 9,71V ... Tx ledka trosku pohasne > P6 - 4,14V - (4,11V - Rosciti se mi obe RxLedky na Twistrovy) > P7 - 1V - 0.995V > P8 - 5,05V - 5,0V > P9 - 11,96V - 11,86V > > Rx (a - b): > P101 - 10,91V - 11,1V > P102 - 3,38V - 3,42V > P103 - 0,1mV - 0.2mV > P104 - 7,19V - 6.94V - rozsviti se obe Rx led na twistrovy > P105 - 3,63V - 3,47V > P106 - 5.5V - 5,53V > P107 - podle vzdalenosti 0-4V pri testovani tak 2.6V > P108 - 10,72V - 10,76V > P109 - 4,80V - 4,81V > P110 - 11,80V - 11,85V > > Zapojeni je: > > TwA - dvolinka 10-20cm Tx > TwA - dvolinka 10-20cm Tx > TwA - dvolinka 10-20cm Tx > TwA - dvolinka 10-20cm Tx > > Timto sem neskoncil. Pri hrani si z programem winscope jem zjistil, ze ac Co dela winscope? Nahrava ze zvukovky? Nebo to ma nejaky zvlastni hardware? > program mezi 1Mhz data nezaregistruje, tak ja ano. Slysel jsem ve > sluchatkach vzdy kdyz blikla ledka sitovky cvaknuti (u obou modulu). Tedy Kam byly zapojeny sluchatka? > konstatoval jsem, ze jde o data ze sitokvy. Pri dalsim zkoumani jsem > zjistil, ze mezi "hlukem" vydavanym Rx modulem je slyset i toto cvaknuti. > Hluk[sum](bordel) se snizoval na harmonicke bzuceni vzdalenosti vysilaci > ledky Tx od prijmaci led Rx. Provedl jsem zkousku kam az se dostava > "cvakani". Kdyz jsem propojil twistery mezi sebou, tak byl (velice tise az > neslysitelne) slyset i na Tx pinu tw. kabelu. Kdyz jsem to pustil prez > moduly Rx/Tx konci cvakatni u obvodu U55. Mam samozrejmne na mysli cvakani > co prichazi z Rx, tedo co vysila druhy twister. > > U druheho twisteru tam slabe a ne vzdy procvakava i jeho vlastni Tx. > > Zkousel jsem program G*o*l*d*W*a*v*e a pri spravnem nastaveni (192000, mono, Co to je goldwave? Cl< > spectrogram) bylo mozne sledovat "cvakani" i vizuelne (i kdyz nektere svojim > nacasovanim unikly), takze poslouchat zvuky je asi ucinejsi a praktictejsi. > > 1) Zajma mne, jestli tento zpusob testovani je vhodny pro tento ucel nebo > jestli je to moc velka kravina ? > > 2) Kde by mohla byt nejaka chyba ? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Tue Jun 1 18:19:00 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Jun 1 18:20:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) References: <40BBACFB.5020509@volny.cz> <005601c447f4$9e2edc40$0100a8c0@p0l0us> <20040601171025.A3312@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00df01c447fc$87665da0$0100a8c0@p0l0us> > Co dela winscope? Nahrava ze zvukovky? Nebo to ma nejaky zvlastni hardware? osciloskop pro win. pouziva zvukouvou kartu. Misto mikrovonu sem dal na konec stineneho vodice hrot od mericich kabelu. Zapojil do mic vstupu me zvukove karty (zoltrix nightgale 5+1). > > > program mezi 1Mhz data nezaregistruje, tak ja ano. Slysel jsem ve > > sluchatkach vzdy kdyz blikla ledka sitovky cvaknuti (u obou modulu). Tedy > > Kam byly zapojeny sluchatka? do sluchatkoveho vystupu zv. karty > > Co to je goldwave? program pro praci se zvukem jako jakykoliv jiny. Prvni ktery sem stahnul. Staci demo s omezenym poctem prikazu .. on pak otravuje ale to newa. > > Cl< ty testpointy az zitra. ted musim jit na pit. zdravim p0l0us From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Jun 1 21:22:10 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Jun 1 21:37:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? References: <20040601163505Z1600492-4326+191504@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <007601c44818$31725d10$6529a8c0@diablo> Aby to bylo komplet, tak tady je nabidka na vyrobu DPS a nabidka na osazovani DPS. U osazovani je cena bez jakychkoliv konektoru (nekdo chce a nekdo nechce konektory), dale se tam neosazuji Rx a Tx diody a u SMD Tx se osadi automatickou vyrobou pouze jeden IO a dalsi dva se musi rucne naletovat. Snad jsem na nic nezapomnel. Mozna by to chtelo nejakou anketku, zdali by byl zajem o vyrobu a osazeni (s tim, ze bud si muzeme soucastky dodat, nebo si je doda vyrobce - zvolil jsem pri poptavce variantu, ze si vyrobce doda soucastky sam). A kdo by byl schopen neco takoveho zorganizovat (ohledne vyberu penez apod). Zdar Jarda. Cenov? nab?dka : V??en? pane, zas?l?me V?m cenovou nab?dku na V?mi popt?van? oboustrann? plo?n? spoje : N?zev DPS d?vka/ks smluvn? cena / ks Jednor?zov? n?klady filmov? podklady p??prava fr?zov?n? p??prava s?ta pro potisk Ronja Twister verze 20040408 1 ks 123,90 1320,-- 0,-- 400,-- 150 ks 82,90 0,-- Ronja Ex SMD verze 120304 1 ks 83,20 1320,-- 0,-- 400,-- 150 ks 55,60 Ronja Tx SMD 1 ks 83,20 1320,-- 0,-- 400,-- Verze 210304 150 ks 55,60 V cen? je zahrnuto: materi?l FR4, tlou??ka 1,5, HAL, potisk 1x Jednor?zov? n?klad u ka?d? zak?zky : TP - 150,- P??prava ET - 0,- Uveden? ceny jsou v K? bez DPH Term?ny expedice : Oboustrann? - standard: 12 pracovn?ch dn? Podm?nkou spln?n? term?nu je zasl?n? z?vazn? objedn?vky a v?ech pot?ebn?ch podklad? (data GERBER resp.filmov? p?edlohy, data pro vrt?n? EXCELLON). V p??loze V?m zas?l?n nab?dku na osazov?n?: Klasika Twister 50ks 155,- 100ks 135,- + tlumivka namot?n? cca 15,- Kc Rx 50 ks 34,- 100 ks 29,- Tx 50ks 40,- 100 ks 33,- SMD Rx 50 ks 23,40 100 ks 23,40 Tx 50ks 12,48 100 ks 12,48 ?ablona pro s?totisk: ? 2 800,- P??prava v?roby: 1 850,- ; opakovan? 725,- From bratrk at centrum.cz Tue Jun 1 21:37:07 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Tue Jun 1 21:37:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution References: <20040601162324Z1596172-4326+191250@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000b01c44818$35442590$020a210a@marekbk> Vykradani obuvi neni treba, jak rikam kdo chce tak mu prinesu / nebo si prijde. Mnozstvi temer neomezene. Ty moje pytlicky jsou cerstve vybaleny z dodavky dilu do fabriky. Ale urcite je bude potreba pro jistotu pred pouzitim recyklovat. Vi nekdo jak na reciklaci silikagelu? Kolik stupnu / jaka dobe v troube? Nekdo mi rikal ze se pozna jestli je silikagel pouzity podle barvy kulicek. Ty moje jesou jedny ciry a druhy zase trosku nahnedly. Je mozne ze nahnedly kulicky jsou vice vycerpaby nes ciry? bk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > no,tak to ten nazev fakt vystihli. SilikaGel a sou to SutrKulicky..... taky sem si myslel ze je to neco jak tavne lepidlo ci co....... > je to to co se dava aji do bot? takovy maly sacicek toho byva. jesi je to co myslim tak to davali kdysi i do sumiveho celaskonu a jak sme ho sezrali tak sem se stim jako decko bavil :))..... mozna by to na pozadani v butiku z tech bot vykradli..;) .... > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Karel Kulhav? > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > CC: > > Datum: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 06:24:46 +0000 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:18:12AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > Na co je ten silikagel? > > > Podle nazvu predpokladam, ze to bude neco jako silikonovy tmel (na utesneni > > > trubek proti vode), ze? > > > > Kulicky na vysouseni vlhkosti. > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "bratrk" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:57 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > > > > > > > Na poslednim (a take prvnim) predavani Twisteru jsem zajemcum rozdal cca 6 > > > > kg silikagelu. > > > > Podarilo se mi ho nafasovat dalsich cca 12 kg. pokud nekdo bude mit zajem > > > > tak to na pristi predavani dotahnu. Jsu to papirove sacky po 40 g. > > > > > > > > Dejte mi vedet jestli bude zajem, at se s tim netahnu zbytecne.. > > > > > > > > bk > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michal Knezourek" > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:42 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > dej mi tyden - mam dost prace a maturuji :-( > > > > > vsem se ozvu pristi tyden. > > > > > Kneza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do konference to asi patrit nemelo!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Sedl???ek wrote: > > > > > > Pisu po nekolikate - mohl bys na muj mail poslat cislo uctu a sumu, > > > > > > kterou ti mam poslat jako doplatek + postovne? Obratem poslu adresu a > > > > > > penize. Psal jsem ti na mail uz nekolikrat. Dik > > > > > > > > > > > > Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ahoj, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> tak po dnesnim predavacim srazu jiz bylo predano 121ks PCB. > > > > > >> Rozesilani postou se uskutecni zrejmne behem pristiho tydne, ale > > > nevim > > > > > >> nevim (mam svatak) ... uvidime ... dalsi sraz se uskutecni po me > > > > > >> maturite (cca za 1,5tydne - 2 tydny). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks vsem co prisli. > > > > > >> Kneza > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Hello, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> after today Ronja Twister meeting, 121 pieces of PCB has been > > > > > >> delivered to their owners. > > > > > >> Sending by Czech Post (read Snailmail) will be done next week, but > > > not > > > > > >> sure - I will be trying to do leaving-exam on my school :-). > > > > > >> Next IRL meeting will be sometime about 2 weeks later from todays. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks all today's visitors :-) > > > > > >> Kneza > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From kucik at net22.cz Tue Jun 1 22:02:47 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (kucik@net22.cz) Date: Tue Jun 1 22:02:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution In-Reply-To: <000b01c44818$35442590$020a210a@marekbk> References: <20040601162324Z1596172-4326+191250@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040601230038.00a29770@mail.net22.cz> Mno bezne jsou k videni bily s troskou namodralejch BTW: Ono to jde recyklovat (jakoze vysusit) a pak znova macet (vysouset s tim) ? At 22:37 1.6.2004 +0200, you wrote: >Vykradani obuvi neni treba, jak rikam kdo chce tak mu prinesu / nebo si >prijde. Mnozstvi temer neomezene. Ty moje pytlicky jsou cerstve vybaleny z >dodavky dilu do fabriky. Ale urcite je bude potreba pro jistotu pred >pouzitim recyklovat. > >Vi nekdo jak na reciklaci silikagelu? > >Kolik stupnu / jaka dobe v troube? > >Nekdo mi rikal ze se pozna jestli je silikagel pouzity podle barvy kulicek. >Ty moje jesou jedny ciry a druhy zase trosku nahnedly. > >Je mozne ze nahnedly kulicky jsou vice vycerpaby nes ciry? > >bk > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jakub Michn?k" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:23 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > no,tak to ten nazev fakt vystihli. SilikaGel a sou to SutrKulicky..... >taky sem si myslel ze je to neco jak tavne lepidlo ci co....... > > je to to co se dava aji do bot? takovy maly sacicek toho byva. jesi je to >co myslim tak to davali kdysi i do sumiveho celaskonu a jak sme ho sezrali >tak sem se stim jako decko bavil :))..... mozna by to na pozadani v butiku z >tech bot vykradli..;) .... > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: Karel Kulhav? > > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > > CC: > > > Datum: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 06:24:46 +0000 > > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:18:12AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > Na co je ten silikagel? > > > > Podle nazvu predpokladam, ze to bude neco jako silikonovy tmel (na >utesneni > > > > trubek proti vode), ze? > > > > > > Kulicky na vysouseni vlhkosti. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "bratrk" > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:57 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > Na poslednim (a take prvnim) predavani Twisteru jsem zajemcum rozdal >cca 6 > > > > > kg silikagelu. > > > > > Podarilo se mi ho nafasovat dalsich cca 12 kg. pokud nekdo bude mit >zajem > > > > > tak to na pristi predavani dotahnu. Jsu to papirove sacky po 40 g. > > > > > > > > > > Dejte mi vedet jestli bude zajem, at se s tim netahnu zbytecne.. > > > > > > > > > > bk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Michal Knezourek" > > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:42 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dej mi tyden - mam dost prace a maturuji :-( > > > > > > vsem se ozvu pristi tyden. > > > > > > Kneza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do konference to asi patrit nemelo!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Sedl???ek wrote: > > > > > > > Pisu po nekolikate - mohl bys na muj mail poslat cislo uctu a >sumu, > > > > > > > kterou ti mam poslat jako doplatek + postovne? Obratem poslu >adresu a > > > > > > > penize. Psal jsem ti na mail uz nekolikrat. Dik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ahoj, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> tak po dnesnim predavacim srazu jiz bylo predano 121ks PCB. > > > > > > >> Rozesilani postou se uskutecni zrejmne behem pristiho tydne, >ale > > > > nevim > > > > > > >> nevim (mam svatak) ... uvidime ... dalsi sraz se uskutecni po >me > > > > > > >> maturite (cca za 1,5tydne - 2 tydny). > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks vsem co prisli. > > > > > > >> Kneza > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Hello, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> after today Ronja Twister meeting, 121 pieces of PCB has been > > > > > > >> delivered to their owners. > > > > > > >> Sending by Czech Post (read Snailmail) will be done next week, >but > > > > not > > > > > > >> sure - I will be trying to do leaving-exam on my school :-). > > > > > > >> Next IRL meeting will be sometime about 2 weeks later from >todays. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks all today's visitors :-) > > > > > > >> Kneza > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 2 00:41:14 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (Michal =?iso-8859-2?Q?Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Jun 2 00:43:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - status of distribution In-Reply-To: <000b01c44818$35442590$020a210a@marekbk> References: <20040601162324Z1596172-4326+191250@mail.centrum.cz> <000b01c44818$35442590$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <2178.10.69.3.10.1086133274.squirrel@10.69.3.10> bratrk said: > Vykradani obuvi neni treba, jak rikam kdo chce tak mu prinesu / nebo si > prijde. Mnozstvi temer neomezene. Ty moje pytlicky jsou cerstve vybaleny z > dodavky dilu do fabriky. Ale urcite je bude potreba pro jistotu pred > pouzitim recyklovat. > > Vi nekdo jak na reciklaci silikagelu? > > Kolik stupnu / jaka dobe v troube? > > Nekdo mi rikal ze se pozna jestli je silikagel pouzity podle barvy > kulicek. > Ty moje jesou jedny ciry a druhy zase trosku nahnedly. > > Je mozne ze nahnedly kulicky jsou vice vycerpaby nes ciry? > > bk si nejakou vem a hod ji do vody a poznas jak vypada nasycena. ja to zkousel a nasicena se zakali. bude mit pak mlecnou barvu. jak se lisi nahnedl a cira nefim :/ glo From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Jun 2 10:31:17 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Jun 2 10:39:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? In-Reply-To: <00d601c447fa$c4cecda0$0100a8c0@p0l0us> References: <20040601163505Z1600492-4326+191504@mail.centrum.cz> <00d601c447fa$c4cecda0$0100a8c0@p0l0us> Message-ID: <131426700.20040602113117@volny.cz> MP> mno u Twisteru bych to nevidel - poptavka byla nedavno dost nasycena MP> samotnymi DPS. Klidne, proc to neunifikovat. Moznost zbastlit si to stale zustava... MP> Ale Rx/Tx pokud by to bylo za slusnou cenu by stalo za to. Pro tento ucel by MP> bylo vhodne upravit Skontorpovo Rx tak, aby BF bylo take SMD a pokud se dela MP> SMD i NE592 tak taky. Tx sem nezkoumal. Ano, ale bylo by vhodne aby to pak taky nekdo zkusil osadit a vyzkousel, jak to jede na nejaky rozumne dlouhy lince. MP> Dal by bylo vhodne vyresit nejak kvalitneji ladeni - takze neosazovat a MP> prislusne pady udelat je vetsi a tak aby byly dobre pristupne (pro pripajeni MP> potaku na testovani a nasledovne vymeneni za rezistor se spravnou hodnotou). MP> U skotorpova smd se mi podarilo poskodit si DPS prave pri ladeni, kdyz byly MP> nevhodne mechanicky namahane prislusne pady. Ty jsou prizpusobene smd MP> soucastkam. Druhe reseni je vetsi opatrnost pri testovani. S tim mohu jen souhlasit. OndraT From karel.obadal at ido.cz Wed Jun 2 13:57:38 2004 From: karel.obadal at ido.cz (Karel Obadal) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:57:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Test Twister modulu Message-ID: <40BDCEC2.60808@ido.cz> Dobry den, je mozne zapojit primo Rx vystup z twisteru na Tx protejsiho twisteru pro otestovani spravne funkce modulu? -- Karel Obadal MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. Skolni 1729/IV 755 01 Vsetin Tel: 571 414 245 GSM: 608 720 533 Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. From polous at katka.biz Wed Jun 2 14:26:08 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:26:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Test Twister modulu References: <40BDCEC2.60808@ido.cz> Message-ID: <002301c448a5$2a28d7e0$5445150a@p0l0us> viz muj prispevek dva dny stary (za 30. kvetna 2004 13:45) Pekny den p0l0us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Obadal" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: [Ronja] Test Twister modulu > Dobry den, > > je mozne zapojit primo Rx vystup z twisteru na Tx protejsiho twisteru > pro otestovani spravne funkce modulu? > > > -- > Karel Obadal > > MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. > Skolni 1729/IV > 755 01 Vsetin > > Tel: 571 414 245 > GSM: 608 720 533 > > Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z > principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby > operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 2 14:43:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 2 14:43:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Test Twister modulu In-Reply-To: <40BDCEC2.60808@ido.cz>; from karel.obadal@ido.cz on Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 02:57:38PM +0200 References: <40BDCEC2.60808@ido.cz> Message-ID: <20040602134349.B5893@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 02:57:38PM +0200, Karel Obadal wrote: > Dobry den, > > je mozne zapojit primo Rx vystup z twisteru na Tx protejsiho twisteru > pro otestovani spravne funkce modulu? Ano ale je treba jeste propojit zeme tech twisteru. Cili je treba 3-zilovy kabel nebo 2 koaxy. Cl< > > > -- > Karel Obadal > > MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. > Skolni 1729/IV > 755 01 Vsetin > > Tel: 571 414 245 > GSM: 608 720 533 > > Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z > principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby > operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Wed Jun 2 16:02:01 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Jun 2 16:04:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? In-Reply-To: <007601c44818$31725d10$6529a8c0@diablo> References: <20040601163505Z1600492-4326+191504@mail.centrum.cz> <007601c44818$31725d10$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <40BDEBE9.5090003@host.sk> Prisla mi ponuka na komplet vyhotovenie Twistru s osadenim, vyrobenim plosakov a vsetko okolo toho. Jedine co nie je vhrnute do ceny je RJ45 konektor a krystalovy oscilator, ktory nevedeli presne indentifikovat. takze komplet vyroba Ronja plosaku s kompletnym osadenim pricom si suciaastky doda vyrobca je: *793,- Sk* *648,- Sk* *585,- Sk* za 4, 20 a 100 kusov pokial by sme si dodali suciastky sami tak cena je: *226,- Sk* *226,- Sk* *205,- Sk* btw skontrolujte si kurz CZK/SKK - je to okolo 1/1.3 ceny su bez 19% DPHcky co vy na to? budem davat robit viac ako 20 plosakov s tym, ze by ste si pre to prisli do Ba (alebo by ste mi zaplatili cestu do Pa :)) alebo spravim len tych 20 pre seba? m. Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >Aby to bylo komplet, tak tady je nabidka na vyrobu DPS a nabidka na >osazovani DPS. >U osazovani je cena bez jakychkoliv konektoru (nekdo chce a nekdo nechce >konektory), dale se tam neosazuji Rx a Tx diody a u SMD Tx se osadi >automatickou vyrobou pouze jeden IO a dalsi dva se musi rucne naletovat. >Snad jsem na nic nezapomnel. >Mozna by to chtelo nejakou anketku, zdali by byl zajem o vyrobu a osazeni (s >tim, ze bud si muzeme soucastky dodat, nebo si je doda vyrobce - zvolil jsem >pri poptavce variantu, ze si vyrobce doda soucastky sam). >A kdo by byl schopen neco takoveho zorganizovat (ohledne vyberu penez apod). > >Zdar Jarda. >Cenov? nab?dka : > > V??en? pane, > > zas?l?me V?m cenovou nab?dku na V?mi popt?van? oboustrann? plo?n? spoje : > > > > N?zev DPS > d?vka/ks > smluvn? cena / ks > Jednor?zov? n?klady > > filmov? podklady > p??prava fr?zov?n? > p??prava s?ta pro potisk > > Ronja Twister verze 20040408 > 1 ks > 123,90 > 1320,-- > 0,-- > 400,-- > > > 150 ks > 82,90 > > 0,-- > > > Ronja Ex SMD verze 120304 > 1 ks > 83,20 > 1320,-- > 0,-- > 400,-- > > > 150 ks > 55,60 > > > > > Ronja Tx SMD > 1 ks > 83,20 > 1320,-- > 0,-- > 400,-- > > Verze 210304 > 150 ks > 55,60 > > > > > >V cen? je zahrnuto: materi?l FR4, tlou??ka 1,5, HAL, potisk 1x > >Jednor?zov? n?klad u ka?d? zak?zky : TP > - 150,- > > P??prava ET - >0,- > >Uveden? ceny jsou v K? bez DPH > > > >Term?ny expedice : Oboustrann? - standard: >12 pracovn?ch dn? > > > >Podm?nkou spln?n? term?nu je zasl?n? z?vazn? objedn?vky a v?ech pot?ebn?ch >podklad? (data GERBER resp.filmov? p?edlohy, data pro vrt?n? EXCELLON). > > > > > > > >V p??loze V?m zas?l?n nab?dku na osazov?n?: > >Klasika > >Twister 50ks 155,- 100ks 135,- + >tlumivka namot?n? cca 15,- Kc > >Rx 50 ks 34,- 100 ks 29,- > >Tx 50ks 40,- 100 ks 33,- > > > >SMD > >Rx 50 ks 23,40 100 ks 23,40 > >Tx 50ks 12,48 100 ks 12,48 > > > >?ablona pro s?totisk: ? 2 800,- > >P??prava v?roby: 1 850,- ; opakovan? 725,- > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.778 (20040601) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From polous at katka.biz Wed Jun 2 16:17:13 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Jun 2 16:17:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? References: <20040601163505Z1600492-4326+191504@mail.centrum.cz><007601c44818$31725d10$6529a8c0@diablo> <40BDEBE9.5090003@host.sk> Message-ID: <003901c448b4$ae747f40$5445150a@p0l0us> to je cena za 1x Rx, 1x Tx a 1x Tw ? p0l0us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? Prisla mi ponuka na komplet vyhotovenie Twistru s osadenim, vyrobenim plosakov a vsetko okolo toho. Jedine co nie je vhrnute do ceny je RJ45 konektor a krystalovy oscilator, ktory nevedeli presne indentifikovat. takze komplet vyroba Ronja plosaku s kompletnym osadenim pricom si suciaastky doda vyrobca je: *793,- Sk* *648,- Sk* *585,- Sk* za 4, 20 a 100 kusov pokial by sme si dodali suciastky sami tak cena je: *226,- Sk* *226,- Sk* *205,- Sk* btw skontrolujte si kurz CZK/SKK - je to okolo 1/1.3 ceny su bez 19% DPHcky From maco at host.sk Wed Jun 2 16:19:58 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Jun 2 16:22:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? In-Reply-To: <003901c448b4$ae747f40$5445150a@p0l0us> References: <20040601163505Z1600492-4326+191504@mail.centrum.cz><007601c44818$31725d10$6529a8c0@diablo> <40BDEBE9.5090003@host.sk> <003901c448b4$ae747f40$5445150a@p0l0us> Message-ID: <40BDF01E.7000501@host.sk> Nie, bohuzial, to je len cena za vyrobu interfejsu (twister). Nemam podklady na plosaky pre RX a TX - spominate niekoho navrhy, ale neviem kde by som na ne zohnal dokumentaciu ktoru by som poslal na posudenie do vyroby. Ja som antielektronicky clovek, teda pteba mi to polopatisticky poslat ako .zip :) Btw twister.zip bol jeden z najgenialnejsich clockovych napadov. Este keby sa tam doplnij a fajl so zoznamom suciastok tak by to bol Raj. m. Martin Polehla wrote: >to je cena za 1x Rx, 1x Tx a 1x Tw ? > >p0l0us > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marcel Hecko" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 5:02 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? > > >Prisla mi ponuka na komplet vyhotovenie Twistru s osadenim, vyrobenim >plosakov a vsetko okolo toho. >Jedine co nie je vhrnute do ceny je RJ45 konektor a krystalovy >oscilator, ktory nevedeli presne indentifikovat. > >takze komplet vyroba Ronja plosaku s kompletnym osadenim pricom si >suciaastky doda vyrobca je: > >*793,- Sk* > > > >*648,- Sk* > > > >*585,- Sk* > >za 4, 20 a 100 kusov > >pokial by sme si dodali suciastky sami tak cena je: > >*226,- Sk* > > > >*226,- Sk* > > > >*205,- Sk* > > >btw skontrolujte si kurz CZK/SKK - je to okolo 1/1.3 >ceny su bez 19% DPHcky > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.779 (20040602) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From karel.obadal at ido.cz Wed Jun 2 16:34:20 2004 From: karel.obadal at ido.cz (Karel Obadal) Date: Wed Jun 2 16:33:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? In-Reply-To: <40BDF01E.7000501@host.sk> References: <20040601163505Z1600492-4326+191504@mail.centrum.cz><007601c44818$31725d10$6529a8c0@diablo> <40BDEBE9.5090003@host.sk> <003901c448b4$ae747f40$5445150a@p0l0us> <40BDF01E.7000501@host.sk> Message-ID: <40BDF37C.7040605@ido.cz> Clovek s timhle ICQ : 313322072 By mel RX a TR tistaky mit hotove Ma i stranky, ale tam toho moc nepise : http://zstepanek.rokaglass.com/ K. Obadal Marcel Hecko wrote: > Nie, bohuzial, to je len cena za vyrobu interfejsu (twister). > > Nemam podklady na plosaky pre RX a TX - spominate niekoho navrhy, ale > neviem kde by som na ne zohnal dokumentaciu ktoru by som poslal na > posudenie do vyroby. Ja som antielektronicky clovek, teda pteba mi to > polopatisticky poslat ako .zip :) Btw twister.zip bol jeden z > najgenialnejsich clockovych napadov. Este keby sa tam doplnij a fajl so > zoznamom suciastok tak by to bol Raj. > m. > > Martin Polehla wrote: > >> to je cena za 1x Rx, 1x Tx a 1x Tw ? >> >> p0l0us >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 5:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? >> >> >> Prisla mi ponuka na komplet vyhotovenie Twistru s osadenim, vyrobenim >> plosakov a vsetko okolo toho. >> Jedine co nie je vhrnute do ceny je RJ45 konektor a krystalovy >> oscilator, ktory nevedeli presne indentifikovat. >> >> takze komplet vyroba Ronja plosaku s kompletnym osadenim pricom si >> suciaastky doda vyrobca je: >> >> *793,- Sk* >> >> >> >> *648,- Sk* >> >> >> >> *585,- Sk* >> >> za 4, 20 a 100 kusov >> >> pokial by sme si dodali suciastky sami tak cena je: >> >> *226,- Sk* >> >> >> >> *226,- Sk* >> >> >> >> *205,- Sk* >> >> >> btw skontrolujte si kurz CZK/SKK - je to okolo 1/1.3 >> ceny su bez 19% DPHcky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> __________ NOD32 1.779 (20040602) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.nod32.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Karel Obadal MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. Skolni 1729/IV 755 01 Vsetin Tel: 571 414 245 GSM: 608 720 533 Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Jun 2 17:33:20 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Jun 2 17:33:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? Message-ID: <20040602163331Z1595534-4334+221213@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Martin Polehla" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:06:24 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? > > > .... no ja nevim, ale pride mi to celkem levne. nez se smolit s tim ze cek > prohodi 2 odpory a pak to kdo vi jak dlouho ledat.... vyhrivat si cely den > gzycht nad pajkou..... ... ja myslim ze by nebylo marne zrealizovat nakou > vetsi obednavku i osazenych..... > ? > > ********************************** > > mno u Twisteru bych to nevidel - poptavka byla nedavno dost nasycena > samotnymi DPS. > asi mas pravdu no.... > Ale Rx/Tx pokud by to bylo za slusnou cenu by stalo za to. Pro tento ucel by > bylo vhodne upravit Skontorpovo Rx tak, aby BF bylo take SMD a pokud se dela > SMD i NE592 tak taky. Tx sem nezkoumal. > > Dal by bylo vhodne vyresit nejak kvalitneji ladeni - takze neosazovat a > prislusne pady udelat je vetsi a tak aby byly dobre pristupne (pro pripajeni > potaku na testovani a nasledovne vymeneni za rezistor se spravnou hodnotou). > U skotorpova smd se mi podarilo poskodit si DPS prave pri ladeni, kdyz byly > nevhodne mechanicky namahane prislusne pady. Ty jsou prizpusobene smd > soucastkam. Druhe reseni je vetsi opatrnost pri testovani. > > > Osobne bych pro nekolik kousku zajem mnel, ale nijak na tom netrvam. Pro mne > je to otazka ceny, casu a nalady, protoze me to stavet celkem bavi... a to je taky asi pravda. co by pak ti elektrikari meli delat kdyz ne pajet ze :) > > s pozdravem > p0l0us > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 2 17:38:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 2 17:38:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? In-Reply-To: <20040602163331Z1595534-4334+221213@mail.centrum.cz>; from jjaakkuubb@centrum.cz on Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 06:33:20PM +0200 References: <20040602163331Z1595534-4334+221213@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040602163854.C6069@beton.cybernet.src> > > U skotorpova smd se mi podarilo poskodit si DPS prave pri ladeni, kdyz byly > > nevhodne mechanicky namahane prislusne pady. Ty jsou prizpusobene smd > > soucastkam. Druhe reseni je vetsi opatrnost pri testovani. > > > > > > Osobne bych pro nekolik kousku zajem mnel, ale nijak na tom netrvam. Pro mne > > je to otazka ceny, casu a nalady, protoze me to stavet celkem bavi... > > a to je taky asi pravda. co by pak ti elektrikari meli delat kdyz ne pajet ze :) polous je elektrikar? :) Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Wed Jun 2 17:39:59 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Wed Jun 2 17:40:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? References: <20040602163331Z1595534-4334+221213@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000701c448c0$40406820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> nemysl?m si, ?e by byla popt?vka byla nasycena podle mne hromada lid? ?ek?, a? jak dopadnout ti, co si to objednali, jak jim to po?lape a tak co se sem akor?t dostalo, tak akor?t zat?m nefunk?n? kusy v?t?? po?et funk?n?ch b???c?ch kus? zat?m nen? (zve?ejn?n) a? tu bude tak 20 funk?n?ch spoj?, tak si mysl?m, ?e se to teprve rozjede a co? teprve, a? se osv?d?? ti???ky na Rx a Tx a k tomu osazov?n? - to se opravdu vyplat?, akor?t kdy? je toho v?c jak 100 - 200 ks a pro toho, kdo um? p?jet a m? ?as, tak to ani pak nevyjde levn?ji ... Cipis From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Jun 2 19:23:57 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Jun 2 19:25:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? Message-ID: <20040602182403Z1594223-4326+223573@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:38:54 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? > > > > U skotorpova smd se mi podarilo poskodit si DPS prave pri ladeni, kdyz byly > > > nevhodne mechanicky namahane prislusne pady. Ty jsou prizpusobene smd > > > soucastkam. Druhe reseni je vetsi opatrnost pri testovani. > > > > > > > > > Osobne bych pro nekolik kousku zajem mnel, ale nijak na tom netrvam. Pro mne > > > je to otazka ceny, casu a nalady, protoze me to stavet celkem bavi... > > > > a to je taky asi pravda. co by pak ti elektrikari meli delat kdyz ne pajet ze :) > > polous je elektrikar? :) ja nevim ,ale kdyz docela hojne (nebo nehojne?) pise sem tak predpokladam ze kuchar nebude :) ja ho osobne neznam :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 2 20:33:02 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 2 20:32:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? In-Reply-To: <000701c448c0$40406820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <20040602163331Z1595534-4334+221213@mail.centrum.cz> <000701c448c0$40406820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <40BE2B6E.9000009@fear.cz> Cipis wrote: > nemysl?m si, ?e by byla popt?vka byla nasycena > podle mne hromada lid? ?ek?, a? jak dopadnout ti, co si to objednali, jak > jim to po?lape a tak > > co se sem akor?t dostalo, tak akor?t zat?m nefunk?n? kusy > v?t?? po?et funk?n?ch b???c?ch kus? zat?m nen? (zve?ejn?n) > a? tu bude tak 20 funk?n?ch spoj?, tak si mysl?m, ?e se to teprve rozjede a mno, ja jsem psal, ze mi to na spoji jede.. od ty doby mam twistera uz na trech spojich (870m, 990m, 890m) a vsude jede bez problemu, otestoval jsem na tech spojich vsechny osazeny twistery co mam a jedou vsechny, pet z celkoveho poctu pet :-) > co? teprve, a? se osv?d?? ti???ky na Rx a Tx Zrovna mi jeden clovicek paji 4rx a 4tx, tak uvidime :-) macros From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jun 2 20:41:42 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Jun 2 20:41:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] New Skontorp RX on PCB Message-ID: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> Ty nove primace na plosnaku SMD montazi od Skontorpa, pri jakem RSSI jeste prenasi data? From karel.obadal at ido.cz Wed Jun 2 20:49:39 2004 From: karel.obadal at ido.cz (Karel Obadal) Date: Wed Jun 2 20:49:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? In-Reply-To: <40BE2B6E.9000009@fear.cz> References: <20040602163331Z1595534-4334+221213@mail.centrum.cz> <000701c448c0$40406820$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <40BE2B6E.9000009@fear.cz> Message-ID: <40BE2F53.8050808@ido.cz> Chtel bych se te prosimte zeptat : 1. Tebou uvedeny modul twister je na PCB, ktery je volne ke stazeni v souboru twister.zip ? 2. Bylo by mozne ziskat podklady pro vyrobu filmu na RX a TX modulu ? Ptam se protoze firma ve ktere pracuji objednava obcas nejake tistaky a tak jsem se domluvil a k jedne obednavce jsem pridal i materialy na twister s pozadavkem na 4ks, ale pokud je tento tistak opravdu funkcni tak muzu rovnou obednat 40ks a zbylych 36ks rovnou nabizim za naklady k odprodeji. Financne me to nezrujnuje a ja budu mit lepsi cenu. Myslim, ze paru lidem usetrim cas a penize. K. Obadal Macros The Black wrote: > Cipis wrote: > >> nemysl?m si, ?e by byla popt?vka byla nasycena >> podle mne hromada lid? ?ek?, a? jak dopadnout ti, co si to objednali, jak >> jim to po?lape a tak >> >> co se sem akor?t dostalo, tak akor?t zat?m nefunk?n? kusy >> v?t?? po?et funk?n?ch b???c?ch kus? zat?m nen? (zve?ejn?n) >> a? tu bude tak 20 funk?n?ch spoj?, tak si mysl?m, ?e se to teprve >> rozjede a > > > mno, ja jsem psal, ze mi to na spoji jede.. od ty doby mam twistera uz > na trech spojich (870m, 990m, 890m) a vsude jede bez problemu, otestoval > jsem na tech spojich vsechny osazeny twistery co mam a jedou vsechny, > pet z celkoveho poctu pet :-) > >> co? teprve, a? se osv?d?? ti???ky na Rx a Tx > > > Zrovna mi jeden clovicek paji 4rx a 4tx, tak uvidime :-) > > macros > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Karel Obadal MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. Skolni 1729/IV 755 01 Vsetin Tel: 571 414 245 GSM: 608 720 533 Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Jun 2 22:11:26 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Jun 2 22:10:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] New Skontorp RX on PCB In-Reply-To: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> Message-ID: <1602324709.20040602231126@volny.cz> Prakticky na lince overeno jeste pri 16mV to jelo, ale kdyz vyslo slunicko tak to padlo. Takze pocitej o trochu vic. Ted to nemuzu overit, ale pri 4m bez optiky to bylo myslim 20mV. OndraT Sscc> Ty nove primace na plosnaku SMD montazi od Skontorpa, pri jakem RSSI jeste Sscc> prenasi data? Sscc> _______________________________________________ Sscc> Ronja mailing list Sscc> Ronja@lists.pointless.net Sscc> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Jun 2 22:13:31 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Jun 2 22:11:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? In-Reply-To: <40BDF37C.7040605@ido.cz> References: <20040601163505Z1600492-4326+191504@mail.centrum.cz><007601c44818$31725d10$6529a8c0@diablo> <40BDEBE9.5090003@host.sk> <003901c448b4$ae747f40$5445150a@p0l0us> <40BDF01E.7000501@host.sk> <40BDF37C.7040605@ido.cz> Message-ID: <1562449438.20040602231331@volny.cz> Ten soubor jsem neprohlizel, ale podle toho co se tam piste se IMHO jedna o tu NE-SMD vezri (stara) kterou uz bych dnes stavet nedoporucoval... OndraT KO> Clovek s timhle ICQ : 313322072 KO> By mel RX a TR tistaky mit hotove KO> Ma i stranky, ale tam toho moc nepise : http://zstepanek.rokaglass.com/ KO> K. Obadal KO> Marcel Hecko wrote: >> Nie, bohuzial, to je len cena za vyrobu interfejsu (twister). >> >> Nemam podklady na plosaky pre RX a TX - spominate niekoho navrhy, ale >> neviem kde by som na ne zohnal dokumentaciu ktoru by som poslal na >> posudenie do vyroby. Ja som antielektronicky clovek, teda pteba mi to >> polopatisticky poslat ako .zip :) Btw twister.zip bol jeden z >> najgenialnejsich clockovych napadov. Este keby sa tam doplnij a fajl so >> zoznamom suciastok tak by to bol Raj. >> m. >> >> Martin Polehla wrote: >> >>> to je cena za 1x Rx, 1x Tx a 1x Tw ? >>> >>> p0l0us >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" >>> To: "Twibright Ronja" >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 5:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? >>> >>> >>> Prisla mi ponuka na komplet vyhotovenie Twistru s osadenim, vyrobenim >>> plosakov a vsetko okolo toho. >>> Jedine co nie je vhrnute do ceny je RJ45 konektor a krystalovy >>> oscilator, ktory nevedeli presne indentifikovat. >>> >>> takze komplet vyroba Ronja plosaku s kompletnym osadenim pricom si >>> suciaastky doda vyrobca je: >>> >>> *793,- Sk* >>> >>> >>> >>> *648,- Sk* >>> >>> >>> >>> *585,- Sk* >>> >>> za 4, 20 a 100 kusov >>> >>> pokial by sme si dodali suciastky sami tak cena je: >>> >>> *226,- Sk* >>> >>> >>> >>> *226,- Sk* >>> >>> >>> >>> *205,- Sk* >>> >>> >>> btw skontrolujte si kurz CZK/SKK - je to okolo 1/1.3 >>> ceny su bez 19% DPHcky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> __________ NOD32 1.779 (20040602) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.nod32.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> From polous at katka.biz Wed Jun 2 19:40:20 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Jun 2 22:16:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? References: <20040602163331Z1595534-4334+221213@mail.centrum.cz> <20040602163854.C6069@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004f01c448d1$0eeb8fa0$5445150a@p0l0us> :-DDDD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? > > > U skotorpova smd se mi podarilo poskodit si DPS prave pri ladeni, kdyz byly > > > nevhodne mechanicky namahane prislusne pady. Ty jsou prizpusobene smd > > > soucastkam. Druhe reseni je vetsi opatrnost pri testovani. > > > > > > > > > Osobne bych pro nekolik kousku zajem mnel, ale nijak na tom netrvam. Pro mne > > > je to otazka ceny, casu a nalady, protoze me to stavet celkem bavi... > > > > a to je taky asi pravda. co by pak ti elektrikari meli delat kdyz ne pajet ze :) > > polous je elektrikar? :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From gareth at sublime.org Thu Jun 3 11:17:58 2004 From: gareth at sublime.org (Gareth Coleman) Date: Thu Jun 3 11:16:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Building a Ronja in the UK Message-ID: <000701c44954$0e7a19a0$3200000a@bronzebeauty> I heard about the Ronja project last week and I have been studying the plans and reading the archives as much as possible (no Czech spoken - can't find a free machine translator either). I love it! This is the best open hardware project I could dream of. You people have my utmost respect for what you have done and your principles. And it really fits into my plans. So I have contacted Jakub Horky and asked him to send me 4 PCB's. Some questions - I cannot find 74HC133 here - will I have to take special precautions with HF noise if I mod the circuit as Tomek suggests? I was going to use the PCB for most of the circuit and airwire the changes in - I understand there are special considerations with these things. Just to help me order - in general the 74HCxx the -N suffix is fine (packaging type?) With DS26LS32 is the -CN suffix correct? With the LM7805 a -CT suffix ok? Or -ACT more expensive though. I note that the NE592 is a 14-pin device. With the transistors - is the 2N2222 just as good as the 2N3904? It is much cheaper to use 2N2222A? see http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/45246.pdf I can't find BC547 - are equivalents all the same? Likewise with SFH203-P as photodiode - will I lose performance? Can I use a photodiode with a different sensitive area and adjust the focus? I hope that you can answer my questions - my electronics skills are a little rusty. I'll be happy to build these extra details into a wiki contribution for other UK builders. Kind regards ------------------------ Gareth Coleman From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 3 11:34:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 3 11:34:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Building a Ronja in the UK In-Reply-To: <000701c44954$0e7a19a0$3200000a@bronzebeauty>; from gareth@sublime.org on Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 11:17:58AM +0100 References: <000701c44954$0e7a19a0$3200000a@bronzebeauty> Message-ID: <20040603103446.D7970@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 11:17:58AM +0100, Gareth Coleman wrote: > I heard about the Ronja project last week and I have been studying the > plans and reading the archives as much as possible (no Czech spoken - > can't find a free machine translator either). > > I love it! This is the best open hardware project I could dream of. You > people have my utmost respect for what you have done and your > principles. And it really fits into my plans. So I have contacted Jakub > Horky and asked him to send me 4 PCB's. > > Some questions - I cannot find 74HC133 here - will I have to take > special precautions with HF noise if I mod the circuit as Tomek > suggests? I was going to use the PCB for most of the circuit and airwire No. This generates the link integrity pulses and phase noise doesn't matter in this signal. > the changes in - I understand there are special considerations with > these things. > > Just to help me order - in general the 74HCxx the -N suffix is fine > (packaging type?) With DS26LS32 is the -CN suffix correct? With the N suffix is fine (generally any suffix to HC family). -CN is commercial it is also OK. > LM7805 a -CT suffix ok? Or -ACT more expensive though. I note that the LM7805 is also suffix-insensitive :) I'll have to write something about the suffixes into fundamentals of manufacuring operations. > NE592 is a 14-pin device. > > With the transistors - is the 2N2222 just as good as the 2N3904? It is > much cheaper to use 2N2222A? see > http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/45246.pdf If you can get 2N3904, use definitely this one. > I can't find BC547 - are equivalents all the same? > > Likewise with SFH203-P as photodiode - will I lose performance? Can I Do you mean SFH203F? This is filtered version it won't work. It will work just with the Nebulus transmitter that is running here as a prototype but still waiting to be verified by test with putting data through and also measurements are being performed to determine the distance rating for transmitters with this new infrared transmitter. It seems it will be released immediately after being finished (which will be soon - 14 days max. guess?) because enough financial gifts are in state "unassigned" for what has been estimated as end cost of the development. So if you can't get SFH203 and only the -F one, get this one, it seems the transmitter will perform better than the visible one (however the alignment will be difficult - you'll probably need a digital camera or even a B/W CCD camera, we'll see how the digital camera perform in IR detection, now I am suspecting it from having reduced performance in IR area). > use a photodiode with a different sensitive area and adjust the focus? > > I hope that you can answer my questions - my electronics skills are a > little rusty. I'll be happy to build these extra details into a wiki > contribution for other UK builders. Cl< > > Kind regards > > ------------------------ > Gareth Coleman > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From arni at undernet.lv Thu Jun 3 18:22:19 2004 From: arni at undernet.lv (Arnold Mingin) Date: Thu Jun 3 18:46:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Building a Ronja in the UK In-Reply-To: <20040603103446.D7970@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net]On > Behalf Of Karel Kulhavy > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:35 PM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Building a Ronja in the UK > > > So if you can't get SFH203 and only the -F one, get this one, it seems > the transmitter will perform better than the visible one (however that's extreamly interesting. what about distance? > the alignment > will be difficult - you'll probably need a digital camera or even > a B/W CCD > camera, we'll see how the digital camera perform in IR detection, now I am > suspecting it from having reduced performance in IR area). arni. From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 3 19:17:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 3 19:17:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Building a Ronja in the UK In-Reply-To: ; from arni@undernet.lv on Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 08:22:19PM +0300 References: <20040603103446.D7970@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040603181706.A9323@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 08:22:19PM +0300, Arnold Mingin wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net > > [mailto:ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net]On > > Behalf Of Karel Kulhavy > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:35 PM > > To: Twibright Ronja > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Building a Ronja in the UK > > > > > > So if you can't get SFH203 and only the -F one, get this one, it seems > > the transmitter will perform better than the visible one (however > > that's extreamly interesting. what about distance? Don't know but it doesn't seem to be anything ground-breaking. The exact result will fall out of the tests that are in progress. Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Thu Jun 3 20:54:36 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Thu Jun 3 20:55:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? Message-ID: <20040603195440Z1301120-14808+9285@mail.centrum.cz> OBEDNEJ!!! ja bych si hned 4 ks vzal.... za kolik by byl kus? funkcni myslim sou, nekolika lidem uz to jede.... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Obadal > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:49:39 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? > > Chtel bych se te prosimte zeptat : > > 1. Tebou uvedeny modul twister je na PCB, ktery je volne ke stazeni v > souboru twister.zip ? > > 2. Bylo by mozne ziskat podklady pro vyrobu filmu na RX a TX modulu ? > > Ptam se protoze firma ve ktere pracuji objednava obcas nejake tistaky a > tak jsem se domluvil a k jedne obednavce jsem pridal i materialy na > twister s pozadavkem na 4ks, ale pokud je tento tistak opravdu funkcni > tak muzu rovnou obednat 40ks a zbylych 36ks rovnou nabizim za naklady k > odprodeji. Financne me to nezrujnuje a ja budu mit lepsi cenu. Myslim, > ze paru lidem usetrim cas a penize. > > K. Obadal > > Macros The Black wrote: > > Cipis wrote: > > > >> nemysl?m si, ?e by byla popt?vka byla nasycena > >> podle mne hromada lid? ?ek?, a? jak dopadnout ti, co si to objednali, jak > >> jim to po?lape a tak > >> > >> co se sem akor?t dostalo, tak akor?t zat?m nefunk?n? kusy > >> v?t?? po?et funk?n?ch b???c?ch kus? zat?m nen? (zve?ejn?n) > >> a? tu bude tak 20 funk?n?ch spoj?, tak si mysl?m, ?e se to teprve > >> rozjede a > > > > > > mno, ja jsem psal, ze mi to na spoji jede.. od ty doby mam twistera uz > > na trech spojich (870m, 990m, 890m) a vsude jede bez problemu, otestoval > > jsem na tech spojich vsechny osazeny twistery co mam a jedou vsechny, > > pet z celkoveho poctu pet :-) > > > >> co? teprve, a? se osv?d?? ti???ky na Rx a Tx > > > > > > Zrovna mi jeden clovicek paji 4rx a 4tx, tak uvidime :-) > > > > macros > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > -- > Karel Obadal > > MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. > Skolni 1729/IV > 755 01 Vsetin > > Tel: 571 414 245 > GSM: 608 720 533 > > Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z > principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby > operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Jun 3 21:09:48 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Jun 3 21:09:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] New Skontorp RX on PCB In-Reply-To: <1602324709.20040602231126@volny.cz> References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> Message-ID: <40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost> A plosnak je po obvodu pripajen v krabicce nebo je jen pribodovan na nekolika malo mistech? Jak jsem to meril, tak zas dela ten samy pruser, co vsechny konstrukce predtim. Bohuzel nemam po ruce interface modul, tak nemuzu objektivne posoudit. On 2 Jun 2004 at 23:11, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Prakticky na lince overeno jeste pri 16mV to jelo, ale kdyz vyslo > slunicko tak to padlo. Takze pocitej o trochu vic. > Ted to nemuzu overit, ale pri 4m bez optiky to bylo myslim 20mV. > > OndraT > > > Sscc> Ty nove primace na plosnaku SMD montazi od Skontorpa, pri jakem RSSI jeste > Sscc> prenasi data? > From maco at host.sk Thu Jun 3 21:15:25 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Jun 3 21:15:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prilis teplo? In-Reply-To: <20040603195440Z1301120-14808+9285@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040603195440Z1301120-14808+9285@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <40BF86DD.4030507@host.sk> Mam otazku - aky moze byt dovod ciastocnemu vypadku spojenia ked zacne byt prilis teplo? Ronja facha uplne bez problemov ked prsi, alebo snezi alebo je mraz, ale ked je teplo tak zacne statne blbnut. Je robena podla Simandla 0.3 a 01,01 plosakoch. Je upevnena na 12 posch baraku na oboch stranach, vzdialenost je 450m s 90 mm sosovkami v trubiciach z tvrdeneho PVC (tie oranzove). Moze to byt sposobene tym, ze ten dom "pracuje" ked je prilis teplo a vyosieva prijmacia ledka? From mixaj at mymail.cz Thu Jun 3 21:23:54 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Thu Jun 3 21:24:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testovani References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> <40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost> Message-ID: <003b01c449a8$b1f519a0$6529a8c0@diablo> Ahoj. Je nutne mit pri testovani twistera zaletovane i LED diody? Zkousel jsem propojit Rx s Tx u twistru, zapojil jsem jeden konec do PC a druhej do switche, nastavil v PC 10mbit HalfDuplex a nic.... Nefungovalo to ... Zitra to dodelam komplet i s LEDkama a testnu to znova. Oba Twistery meli odber 0,33A. From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 3 21:38:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 3 21:39:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testovani In-Reply-To: <003b01c449a8$b1f519a0$6529a8c0@diablo>; from mixaj@mymail.cz on Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 10:23:54PM +0200 References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> <40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost> <003b01c449a8$b1f519a0$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040603203859.B9427@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 10:23:54PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Ahoj. > Je nutne mit pri testovani twistera zaletovane i LED diody? Ne. > > Zkousel jsem propojit Rx s Tx u twistru, zapojil jsem jeden konec do PC a > druhej do switche, nastavil v PC 10mbit HalfDuplex a nic.... > Nefungovalo to ... > Zitra to dodelam komplet i s LEDkama a testnu to znova. Cl< > > > > Oba Twistery meli odber 0,33A. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Jun 3 22:45:57 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Jun 3 22:44:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] New Skontorp RX on PCB In-Reply-To: <40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost> References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> <40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost> Message-ID: <992410115.20040603234557@volny.cz> To zalezi jak to kdo udela :-) Ja jsem to myslim jen bodoval... Jakej je v tom rozdil? OndraT Sscc> A plosnak je po obvodu pripajen v krabicce nebo je jen pribodovan na nekolika malo Sscc> mistech? Jak jsem to meril, tak zas dela ten samy pruser, co vsechny konstrukce Sscc> predtim. Bohuzel nemam po ruce interface modul, tak nemuzu objektivne posoudit. Sscc> On 2 Jun 2004 at 23:11, Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> Prakticky na lince overeno jeste pri 16mV to jelo, ale kdyz vyslo >> slunicko tak to padlo. Takze pocitej o trochu vic. >> Ted to nemuzu overit, ale pri 4m bez optiky to bylo myslim 20mV. >> >> OndraT >> >> >> Sscc> Ty nove primace na plosnaku SMD montazi od Skontorpa, pri jakem RSSI jeste >> Sscc> prenasi data? >> Sscc> _______________________________________________ Sscc> Ronja mailing list Sscc> Ronja@lists.pointless.net Sscc> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Jun 3 22:47:52 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Jun 3 22:46:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prilis teplo? In-Reply-To: <40BF86DD.4030507@host.sk> References: <20040603195440Z1301120-14808+9285@mail.centrum.cz> <40BF86DD.4030507@host.sk> Message-ID: <1302525225.20040603234752@volny.cz> Napis prosim jake je RSSI ve stavu kdy to jede a ve stavu kdy to nejede... OndraT MH> Mam otazku - aky moze byt dovod ciastocnemu vypadku spojenia ked zacne MH> byt prilis teplo? MH> Ronja facha uplne bez problemov ked prsi, alebo snezi alebo je mraz, ale MH> ked je teplo tak zacne statne blbnut. MH> Je robena podla Simandla 0.3 a 01,01 plosakoch. MH> Je upevnena na 12 posch baraku na oboch stranach, vzdialenost je 450m s MH> 90 mm sosovkami v trubiciach z tvrdeneho PVC (tie oranzove). MH> Moze to byt sposobene tym, ze ten dom "pracuje" ked je prilis teplo a MH> vyosieva prijmacia ledka? MH> _______________________________________________ MH> Ronja mailing list MH> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MH> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Thu Jun 3 22:54:38 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Thu Jun 3 22:54:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testovani References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> <40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost><003b01c449a8$b1f519a0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040603203859.B9427@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <006f01c449b5$606163c0$6529a8c0@diablo> Tak uz asi vim, proc mi to nejede. Naletoval jsem TP kabel na CONN52 => OK Vynechal jsem prepinace => CHYBA Byla to chybka (proste jsem vynechal ty prepinace, ktery se mi tam zdali zcela zbytecny a o kterych stejne neni na webu ani zminka :( ) Po detailnim studovani jsem dosel k zaveru, ze je tam musim dat, abych mohl nastavovat, jestli ten TP kabel pujde zapojit do switche, nebo do PC, ze? Nebo pokud je tam nedam, tak musim proklemovat vzdycky dve plosky na S1 a S2, ze? Ted uz jen zkoumam jak...... (ani z tech prepinacu nejsem chytrej) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - testovani > On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 10:23:54PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Ahoj. > > Je nutne mit pri testovani twistera zaletovane i LED diody? > > Ne. > > > > > Zkousel jsem propojit Rx s Tx u twistru, zapojil jsem jeden konec do PC a > > druhej do switche, nastavil v PC 10mbit HalfDuplex a nic.... > > Nefungovalo to ... > > Zitra to dodelam komplet i s LEDkama a testnu to znova. > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > Oba Twistery meli odber 0,33A. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Jun 4 06:42:54 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 06:43:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testovani References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost><40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost><003b01c449a8$b1f519a0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040603203859.B9427@beton.cybernet.src> <006f01c449b5$606163c0$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <000b01c449f6$c921bb30$0103450a@thechosen> ja myslim ze to tam je velmi jasne. staci to najumprovat, 4 jumpery, horni kdyz je das nahoru tak je to PC / loopback dolu je to na switch. spodni prepinac zase jumpery (zase dva) nahoru PC dolu loopback / switch --------- Tak uz asi vim, proc mi to nejede. Naletoval jsem TP kabel na CONN52 => OK Vynechal jsem prepinace => CHYBA Byla to chybka (proste jsem vynechal ty prepinace, ktery se mi tam zdali zcela zbytecny a o kterych stejne neni na webu ani zminka :( ) Po detailnim studovani jsem dosel k zaveru, ze je tam musim dat, abych mohl nastavovat, jestli ten TP kabel pujde zapojit do switche, nebo do PC, ze? Nebo pokud je tam nedam, tak musim proklemovat vzdycky dve plosky na S1 a S2, ze? Ted uz jen zkoumam jak...... (ani z tech prepinacu nejsem chytrej) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - testovani > On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 10:23:54PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Ahoj. > > Je nutne mit pri testovani twistera zaletovane i LED diody? > > Ne. > > > > > Zkousel jsem propojit Rx s Tx u twistru, zapojil jsem jeden konec do PC a > > druhej do switche, nastavil v PC 10mbit HalfDuplex a nic.... > > Nefungovalo to ... > > Zitra to dodelam komplet i s LEDkama a testnu to znova. > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > Oba Twistery meli odber 0,33A. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Jun 4 08:55:48 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Jun 4 08:54:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister osazovani In-Reply-To: <000b01c449f6$c921bb30$0103450a@thechosen> References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost><40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost><003b01c449a8$b1f519a0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040603203859.B9427@beton.cybernet.src> <006f01c449b5$606163c0$6529a8c0@diablo> <000b01c449f6$c921bb30$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <1594394093.20040604095548@volny.cz> Ahoj, nejsou nahodou na te desce nejake dratove propojky, co se maji osadit jako prvi? Nerad bych to zjistil az zapajim ty IO. Diky OndraT From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 09:08:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 09:08:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister osazovani In-Reply-To: <1594394093.20040604095548@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 09:55:48AM +0200 References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost><40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost><003b01c449a8$b1f519a0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040603203859.B9427@beton.cybernet.src> <006f01c449b5$606163c0$6529a8c0@diablo> <000b01c449f6$c921bb30$0103450a@thechosen> <1594394093.20040604095548@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040604080820.B10882@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 09:55:48AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj, > nejsou nahodou na te desce nejake dratove propojky, co se maji osadit > jako prvi? Myslis na Twisteru? Na twisteru zadne dratove propojky nejsou protoze je to dvouvrstvy tistak a mimoto muzes ziskat tuto informaci projitim stavebniho navodu Twistera a nalezenim mista, kde se tistak osazuje, a podivanim se, jestli se tam mluvi o dratovych propojkach. Cl< > Nerad bych to zjistil az zapajim ty IO. > > Diky OndraT > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Jun 4 11:15:00 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Jun 4 11:15:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Knezo, kde jsou tistaky :-( In-Reply-To: <20040604080820.B10882@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> <1594394093.20040604095548@volny.cz> <20040604080820.B10882@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406041215.01405.ladmanj@volny.cz> Nevite nekdo, co je s Knezou? Uz bych rad od nej ziskal ty objednane tistaky a on se mi urputne neozyva. Jakub From zapadlo at melzer.cz Fri Jun 4 11:21:11 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Fri Jun 4 11:21:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Knezo, kde jsou tistaky :-( In-Reply-To: <200406041215.01405.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> <20040604080820.B10882@beton.cybernet.src> <200406041215.01405.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406041221.12112.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne p? 4. ?ervna 2004 12:15 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > Nevite nekdo, co je s Knezou? > Uz bych rad od nej ziskal ty objednane tistaky a on se mi urputne neozyva. Nechte ho chvili zit, maturuje. Rikal ze pristi tyden zacne rozesilat. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From kneza at poupe.net Fri Jun 4 11:49:38 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Fri Jun 4 11:47:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Knezo, kde jsou tistaky :-( In-Reply-To: <200406041221.12112.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> <20040604080820.B10882@beton.cybernet.src> <200406041215.01405.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200406041221.12112.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <40C053C2.3080800@poupe.net> Ahoj, diky zapiku... jak rika... maturoval jsem tento tyden a pak delal jedny zkousky a tak... dneska je prvni den kdy normalne ziju - obalky na rozesilani jsou nakoupeny a pres vikend to budu davat dohromady... v pondeli rozeslu. Osobni sraz asi v pristim tydnu. Kneza Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Dne p? 4. ?ervna 2004 12:15 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > >>Nevite nekdo, co je s Knezou? >>Uz bych rad od nej ziskal ty objednane tistaky a on se mi urputne neozyva. > > Nechte ho chvili zit, maturuje. > Rikal ze pristi tyden zacne rozesilat. > > S pozdravem From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Jun 4 13:30:18 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Jun 4 13:31:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testovani In-Reply-To: <000b01c449f6$c921bb30$0103450a@thechosen> References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost><40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost><003b01c449a8$b1f519a0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040603203859.B9427@beton.cybernet.src> <006f01c449b5$606163c0$6529a8c0@diablo> <000b01c449f6$c921bb30$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <16120866383.20040604143018@volny.cz> Proc se musi rozlisovat switch a PC? A ten loopback je loopback jeste pred twistrem, co? V tomto rezimu neni Twistr v cinnosti? MM> ja myslim ze to tam je velmi jasne. MM> staci to najumprovat, 4 jumpery, horni kdyz je das nahoru tak je to PC / MM> loopback dolu je to na switch. spodni prepinac zase jumpery (zase dva) MM> nahoru PC dolu loopback / switch MM> --------- MM> Tak uz asi vim, proc mi to nejede. MM> Naletoval jsem TP kabel na CONN52 => OK MM> Vynechal jsem prepinace => CHYBA MM> Byla to chybka (proste jsem vynechal ty prepinace, ktery se mi tam zdali MM> zcela zbytecny a o kterych stejne neni na webu ani zminka :( ) MM> Po detailnim studovani jsem dosel k zaveru, ze je tam musim dat, abych mohl MM> nastavovat, jestli ten TP kabel pujde zapojit do switche, nebo do PC, ze? MM> Nebo pokud je tam nedam, tak musim proklemovat vzdycky dve plosky na S1 a MM> S2, ze? MM> Ted uz jen zkoumam jak...... (ani z tech prepinacu nejsem chytrej) MM> ----- Original Message ----- MM> From: "Karel Kulhav?" MM> To: "Twibright Ronja" MM> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:38 PM MM> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - testovani >> On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 10:23:54PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >> > Ahoj. >> > Je nutne mit pri testovani twistera zaletovane i LED diody? >> >> Ne. >> >> > >> > Zkousel jsem propojit Rx s Tx u twistru, zapojil jsem jeden konec do PC MM> a >> > druhej do switche, nastavil v PC 10mbit HalfDuplex a nic.... >> > Nefungovalo to ... >> > Zitra to dodelam komplet i s LEDkama a testnu to znova. >> >> Cl< >> >> > >> > >> > >> > Oba Twistery meli odber 0,33A. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ronja mailing list >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja MM> _______________________________________________ MM> Ronja mailing list MM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja MM> _______________________________________________ MM> Ronja mailing list MM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Jun 4 13:33:42 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Jun 4 13:33:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister osazovani In-Reply-To: <20040604080820.B10882@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost><40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost><003b01c449a8$b1f519a0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040603203859.B9427@beton.cybernet.src> <006f01c449b5$606163c0$6529a8c0@diablo> <000b01c449f6$c921bb30$0103450a@thechosen> <1594394093.20040604095548@volny.cz> <20040604080820.B10882@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4621070472.20040604143342@volny.cz> Jo, je to v subjectu.... No ja se jen ubezpecoval. Na http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/clock/twister/dscn0371.jpg mi prijde, ze nejaky draty z UTP kabelu jdou na napajeni (asi na zem?). Ve schematu ani v popisu na webu jsem o tom nic nenasel, nebo to prehledl. Jak to ma tedy byt? Diky OndraT KK> Myslis na Twisteru? Na twisteru zadne dratove propojky nejsou protoze je to KK> dvouvrstvy tistak a mimoto muzes ziskat tuto informaci projitim stavebniho KK> navodu Twistera a nalezenim mista, kde se tistak osazuje, a podivanim se, KK> jestli se tam mluvi o dratovych propojkach. KK> Cl< KK> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 09:55:48AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> Ahoj, >> nejsou nahodou na te desce nejake dratove propojky, co se maji osadit >> jako prvi? >> Nerad bych to zjistil az zapajim ty IO. >> >> Diky OndraT >> >> From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Fri Jun 4 14:02:36 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 14:02:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Knezo, kde jsou tistaky :-( In-Reply-To: <40C053C2.3080800@poupe.net> References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost> <20040604080820.B10882@beton.cybernet.src> <200406041215.01405.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200406041221.12112.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <40C053C2.3080800@poupe.net> Message-ID: <40C072EC.1040000@sattnet.cz> Taky by me to zajimalo, psal jsem Ti uz 6 mailu... :-/ Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > Ahoj, > diky zapiku... > > jak rika... maturoval jsem tento tyden a pak delal jedny zkousky a > tak... dneska je prvni den kdy normalne ziju - obalky na rozesilani > jsou nakoupeny a pres vikend to budu davat dohromady... v pondeli > rozeslu. > Osobni sraz asi v pristim tydnu. > > Kneza > > > Petr Zapadlo wrote: > >> Dne p? 4. ?ervna 2004 12:15 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): >> >>> Nevite nekdo, co je s Knezou? >>> Uz bych rad od nej ziskal ty objednane tistaky a on se mi urputne >>> neozyva. >> >> >> Nechte ho chvili zit, maturuje. >> Rikal ze pristi tyden zacne rozesilat. >> >> S pozdravem > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 14:12:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 14:12:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: IO k RONJE In-Reply-To: <49071.99782-19525-1461286183-1086349773@email.seznam.cz>; from MA.NOVY@seznam.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 01:49:33PM +0200 References: <49071.99782-19525-1461286183-1086349773@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040604131215.A11258@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 01:49:33PM +0200, MARTIN NOVY wrote: > Dobr? den ,m?l bych na v?s takovou malou prosbu- cht?l jsem za??t se stavbou > RONJI podle va?ich internetov?ch str?nek ,ale narazil jsem na probl?m - > nemohu sehnat dva integrovan? obvody - DS26LS32 a DS26LS31. T?mto bych v?s > cht?l po??dat o radu ,kde tyto obvody sehnat. P?edem d?kuji Martin Nov? Ja jsem je kupoval v GM Praha Florenc. Nebo se zeptejte na mailing listu. Az zjistite kde je maji muzete to napsat na wikinu. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 14:12:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 14:12:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testovani In-Reply-To: <16120866383.20040604143018@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 02:30:18PM +0200 References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost><40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost><003b01c449a8$b1f519a0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040603203859.B9427@beton.cybernet.src> <006f01c449b5$606163c0$6529a8c0@diablo> <000b01c449f6$c921bb30$0103450a@thechosen> <16120866383.20040604143018@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040604131256.B11258@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 02:30:18PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Proc se musi rozlisovat switch a PC? Protoze maj jinak zapojeny konektor. > A ten loopback je loopback jeste pred twistrem, co? V tomto rezimu > neni Twistr v cinnosti? Je v cinnosti ale je odpojeny od switche/PC Cl< From schum at seznam.cz Fri Jun 4 14:13:28 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 14:13:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] oscilatory pro twister Message-ID: <59134.1620695-22244-432272134-1086354807@email.seznam.cz> Ahoj vsichni komu schazi oscilator 16Mhz, tak jich mam asi 10 navic. Provedeni SMD + redukce na DIL 14, to cele za 50Kc kus odber pokud mozno osobne v praze mirek 737 283 044 ____________________________________________________________ J? jsem tady. Uka? se ty! NOKIA 6100 ji? od 2977 K?. www.oskar.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74858 From kucik at net22.cz Fri Jun 4 14:20:20 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Fri Jun 4 14:18:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prilis teplo? In-Reply-To: <40BF86DD.4030507@host.sk> References: <20040603195440Z1301120-14808+9285@mail.centrum.cz> <20040603195440Z1301120-14808+9285@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040604151758.00a3f770@mail.net22.cz> Mozna to mas nalepeny moc u strechy a kdyz se nad strecho zacne ohrivat vzduch muzou se v tech vzdusnejch prodech vselijak ty paprsky krivit a lamat. At 22:15 3.6.2004 +0200, you wrote: >Mam otazku - aky moze byt dovod ciastocnemu vypadku spojenia ked zacne byt >prilis teplo? > >Ronja facha uplne bez problemov ked prsi, alebo snezi alebo je mraz, ale >ked je teplo tak zacne statne blbnut. > >Je robena podla Simandla 0.3 a 01,01 plosakoch. > >Je upevnena na 12 posch baraku na oboch stranach, vzdialenost je 450m s 90 >mm sosovkami v trubiciach z tvrdeneho PVC (tie oranzove). > >Moze to byt sposobene tym, ze ten dom "pracuje" ked je prilis teplo a >vyosieva prijmacia ledka? > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.698 / Virus Database: 455 - Release Date: 2.6.2004 ------------- dal¹í èást --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.698 / Virus Database: 455 - Release Date: 2.6.2004 From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 14:21:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 14:21:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister osazovani In-Reply-To: <4621070472.20040604143342@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 02:33:42PM +0200 References: <40BE4996.2845.183E30@localhost><40BFA1AC.15899.281A0DA@localhost><003b01c449a8$b1f519a0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040603203859.B9427@beton.cybernet.src> <006f01c449b5$606163c0$6529a8c0@diablo> <000b01c449f6$c921bb30$0103450a@thechosen> <1594394093.20040604095548@volny.cz> <20040604080820.B10882@beton.cybernet.src> <4621070472.20040604143342@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040604132114.C11258@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 02:33:42PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Jo, je to v subjectu.... > No ja se jen ubezpecoval. > > Na > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/clock/twister/dscn0371.jpg > mi prijde, ze nejaky draty z UTP kabelu jdou na napajeni (asi na > zem?). Ve schematu ani v popisu na webu jsem o tom nic nenasel, nebo > to prehledl. Jak to ma tedy byt? Jo diky za upozorneni v navodu to chybelo. Ted jsem to tam doplnil. Maji ty nepouzite draty byt zkroucene a pripojene na zem. Cl< From tomekw at irc.pl Fri Jun 4 16:24:49 2004 From: tomekw at irc.pl (tomekw@irc.pl) Date: Fri Jun 4 16:24:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divergence cone Message-ID: <19720026055.20040604172449@irc.pl> Hello ok od dzisiaj gadamy po polsku :) -- Best regards, tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Fri Jun 4 17:49:53 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 17:51:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI?? Message-ID: <20040604164956Z1304040-14804+34083@mail.centrum.cz> vsude se tady pise o "rssi". a ja nevim co to je? mohl by mi to nekdo pls vysvetlit? ja zatim pochopil ze je to asi jakasi "sila" signalu vyjadrena napetim. ma to nejakou "horni hranici"? ze treba ... 4V jsou 100%ni signal nebo tak? Dik Kubas -------------------- Kone?n? t? vid?m barevn?. SAMSUNG X450 ji? od 2577 K?. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/index.php From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Jun 4 18:12:00 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Jun 4 18:10:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI?? In-Reply-To: <20040604164956Z1304040-14804+34083@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040604164956Z1304040-14804+34083@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <3537771015.20040604191200@volny.cz> Reciever Strengh Signal Indicator Tebe zajima minimum, pri kterem jeste tecou data (to zjistis experimentalne na stole - max. dosah bez optiky) a cokoliv navic bude rezerva na horsi pocasi, uhnuti drzaku a tak.... Maxumim taky zjistis, proste si to na stole das nejbliz k sobe a zmeris to RSSI. Je to okolo 4.5V ale lisi se to kus od kusu. OndraT JM> vsude se tady pise o "rssi". a ja nevim co to je? mohl by mi to nekdo pls vysvetlit? ja zatim pochopil ze je to asi jakasi "sila" signalu vyjadrena napetim. ma to nejakou "horni hranici"? ze JM> treba ... 4V jsou 100%ni signal nebo tak? JM> Dik Kubas JM> -------------------- JM> Kone?n? t? vid?m barevn?. SAMSUNG X450 ji? od 2577 K?. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/index.php JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Fri Jun 4 18:10:44 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 18:12:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Divergence cone Message-ID: <20040604171053Z1306448-14804+34438@mail.centrum.cz> Ok, ale b?d? robi? moc chyb. :)....bo mieszkam przy granicy ale po polsku pisa? moc nieumj? .... abo mo?ne by? i po czesku rozumio?, nie? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: tomekw@irc.pl > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > CC: > Datum: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:24:49 +0200 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Divergence cone > > Hello > > ok od dzisiaj gadamy po polsku :) > > -- > Best regards, > tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- Kone?n? t? vid?m barevn?. SAMSUNG X450 ji? od 2577 K?. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/index.php From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 18:15:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 18:15:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI?? In-Reply-To: <20040604164956Z1304040-14804+34083@mail.centrum.cz>; from jjaakkuubb@centrum.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 06:49:53PM +0200 References: <20040604164956Z1304040-14804+34083@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040604171533.B12328@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 06:49:53PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > vsude se tady pise o "rssi". a ja nevim co to je? mohl by mi to nekdo pls > vysvetlit? ja zatim pochopil ze je to asi jakasi "sila" signalu vyjadrena > napetim. ma to nejakou "horni hranici"? ze treba ... 4V jsou 100%ni signal > nebo tak? Viz slovnicek http://ronja.twibright.com/vocabulary.php Nijak kalibrovane to neni, na horni hranici se nelze spolehat. Cl< From bratrk at centrum.cz Fri Jun 4 18:25:42 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Fri Jun 4 18:25:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prilis teplo? References: <20040603195440Z1301120-14808+9285@mail.centrum.cz> <40BF86DD.4030507@host.sk> Message-ID: <001e01c44a58$f70f0270$020a210a@marekbk> A neni to nahodou kdyz je prilis slunecno? Nekde jsem tu totiz cetl ze ty plastovy trubky propousti IR cast svetla.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 PM Subject: [Ronja] Prilis teplo? > Mam otazku - aky moze byt dovod ciastocnemu vypadku spojenia ked zacne > byt prilis teplo? > > Ronja facha uplne bez problemov ked prsi, alebo snezi alebo je mraz, ale > ked je teplo tak zacne statne blbnut. > > Je robena podla Simandla 0.3 a 01,01 plosakoch. > > Je upevnena na 12 posch baraku na oboch stranach, vzdialenost je 450m s > 90 mm sosovkami v trubiciach z tvrdeneho PVC (tie oranzove). > > Moze to byt sposobene tym, ze ten dom "pracuje" ked je prilis teplo a > vyosieva prijmacia ledka? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Jun 4 18:30:14 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Jun 4 18:28:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prilis teplo? In-Reply-To: <001e01c44a58$f70f0270$020a210a@marekbk> References: <20040603195440Z1301120-14808+9285@mail.centrum.cz> <40BF86DD.4030507@host.sk> <001e01c44a58$f70f0270$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <2038865198.20040604193014@volny.cz> Zatim jsem u sebe na lince nepostrehl, ze by se to nekde projevilo... At mi nekdo rekne, jak se to pozna. A to to mam jeste vevnitr vycerneny, coz tu taky nekdo nedoporucoval, ale ja mam pocit ze to pomaha. OndraT b> A neni to nahodou kdyz je prilis slunecno? b> Nekde jsem tu totiz cetl ze ty plastovy trubky propousti IR cast svetla.. b> ----- Original Message ----- b> From: "Marcel Hecko" b> To: "Twibright Ronja" b> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 PM b> Subject: [Ronja] Prilis teplo? >> Mam otazku - aky moze byt dovod ciastocnemu vypadku spojenia ked zacne >> byt prilis teplo? >> >> Ronja facha uplne bez problemov ked prsi, alebo snezi alebo je mraz, ale >> ked je teplo tak zacne statne blbnut. >> >> Je robena podla Simandla 0.3 a 01,01 plosakoch. >> >> Je upevnena na 12 posch baraku na oboch stranach, vzdialenost je 450m s >> 90 mm sosovkami v trubiciach z tvrdeneho PVC (tie oranzove). >> >> Moze to byt sposobene tym, ze ten dom "pracuje" ked je prilis teplo a >> vyosieva prijmacia ledka? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> b> _______________________________________________ b> Ronja mailing list b> Ronja@lists.pointless.net b> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Fri Jun 4 19:15:20 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Jun 4 19:15:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: IO k RONJE - AM26LS31,32 References: <49071.99782-19525-1461286183-1086349773@email.seznam.cz> <20040604131215.A11258@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00da01c44a5f$e5aaefb0$5445150a@p0l0us> jestli tyhle obvody uz zase nejsou v GME ? mam v planu tythle broucky objednat (zitra/pozitri), dodaci lhuta cca do konce pristiho - pulky dalsiho tydne, cena cca 12-13kc/ks. pokud mate zajem, ozyvejte se na polous@katka.biz Kdyz by byli k mani v dobe, kdy bude delat knezo svuj sraz, rozdal bych to asi tam. s pozdravem p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 19:16:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 19:16:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Logos Message-ID: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src> I had to mark some storage boxes http://images.twibright.com/tns/f98.html So I made some Ronja logos and uploaded the old logo too: http://ronja.twibright.com/logos.php Link to that page is from RonjaShowZone on the Wiki: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaShowZone Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Jun 4 19:57:57 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Jun 4 19:56:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: IO k RONJE - AM26LS31,32 In-Reply-To: <00da01c44a5f$e5aaefb0$5445150a@p0l0us> References: <49071.99782-19525-1461286183-1086349773@email.seznam.cz> <20040604131215.A11258@beton.cybernet.src> <00da01c44a5f$e5aaefb0$5445150a@p0l0us> Message-ID: <11844129288.20040604205757@volny.cz> Jeste ve stredu byly. MP> jestli tyhle obvody uz zase nejsou v GME ? MP> mam v planu tythle broucky objednat (zitra/pozitri), dodaci lhuta cca do MP> konce pristiho - pulky dalsiho tydne, cena cca 12-13kc/ks. MP> pokud mate zajem, ozyvejte se na polous@katka.biz MP> Kdyz by byli k mani v dobe, kdy bude delat knezo svuj sraz, rozdal bych to MP> asi tam. MP> s pozdravem MP> p0l0us MP> _______________________________________________ MP> Ronja mailing list MP> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MP> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 20:01:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:01:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Logos In-Reply-To: <11044210972.20040604205919@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:59:19PM +0200 References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src> <11044210972.20040604205919@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040604190138.A12916@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:59:19PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ty krabice jsi si nechal delat kde? Na kolik vysly? Nikde jsem si je delat nenechal. Ty jsou z kramu. Co staly nevim. > Vypadaj moc pekne. > To je na tvuj Ronja herberk? Nebo na nejake vznesenejsi cile? Jo na vyvojovej herberk. Cl< From maco at host.sk Fri Jun 4 20:14:59 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:15:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nastredenie LEDky do stredu rury In-Reply-To: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40C0CA33.7010500@host.sk> Co poviete na to co sme vymysleli s presnym nastredenim ledky na stred trubice a sosovky? http://www.maco.sk/ronja/2004_04_15/ Je to konzerve od hrasku z tesca za 30 korun. Hrach je fakt hnusny, ale tie plechovice boli do 100 PVC rury uplne idealne. Vacsie onzervy sme nezohnali, ale ani sme nechceli - ale tieto uplne perfektne pasnu na kratke spoje pri 90 lupach. :) Cakam na vase kritiky. Maco www.blava.net From mixaj at mymail.cz Fri Jun 4 20:17:40 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:20:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo> Tak jsem pretestoval Twistera, pokrocil jsem, ale stale nechodi. Prvni twister jsem nastavil prepinacema (S1 a S2) vse na UP (a zasunul do PC) a druhy twister jsem nastavil prepinacema vse na DOWN (a zasunul do switche). V PC nastaveno 10Mbit Half Duplex. Rx prvniho Twistera privedeno na Tx druheho Twistera a obracene. Pozitivum - byl detekovan pripojeny kabel switchem (10Mbit) a Windowsema. Negativum - data se neprenasela.... Pri Pingovani na server 192.x.x.x se nejprve vypisovalo, ze cil nejni dostupny, po pripojeni Twistru, ze cil nelze najit. Co dal???, From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 20:25:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:25:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test In-Reply-To: <000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo>; from mixaj@mymail.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 09:17:40PM +0200 References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src> <000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 09:17:40PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Tak jsem pretestoval Twistera, pokrocil jsem, ale stale nechodi. > > Prvni twister jsem nastavil prepinacema (S1 a S2) vse na UP (a zasunul do > PC) a druhy twister jsem nastavil prepinacema vse na DOWN (a zasunul do > switche). > V PC nastaveno 10Mbit Half Duplex. > Rx prvniho Twistera privedeno na Tx druheho Twistera a obracene. > > Pozitivum - byl detekovan pripojeny kabel switchem (10Mbit) a Windowsema. > Negativum - data se neprenasela.... > > Pri Pingovani na server 192.x.x.x se nejprve vypisovalo, ze cil nejni > dostupny, po pripojeni Twistru, ze cil nelze najit. Postupoval jsi podle navodu? Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Fri Jun 4 20:31:29 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:31:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo> Ano, postupoval.... Jen jsem C54 and C55 osadil i s LM7805 primo na desku a ne na krabku.... Jdu to jeste jednou cele omrknout a zkusit.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 09:17:40PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Tak jsem pretestoval Twistera, pokrocil jsem, ale stale nechodi. > > > > Prvni twister jsem nastavil prepinacema (S1 a S2) vse na UP (a zasunul do > > PC) a druhy twister jsem nastavil prepinacema vse na DOWN (a zasunul do > > switche). > > V PC nastaveno 10Mbit Half Duplex. > > Rx prvniho Twistera privedeno na Tx druheho Twistera a obracene. > > > > Pozitivum - byl detekovan pripojeny kabel switchem (10Mbit) a Windowsema. > > Negativum - data se neprenasela.... > > > > Pri Pingovani na server 192.x.x.x se nejprve vypisovalo, ze cil nejni > > dostupny, po pripojeni Twistru, ze cil nelze najit. > > Postupoval jsi podle navodu? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From gareth at sublime.org Fri Jun 4 20:48:06 2004 From: gareth at sublime.org (Gareth Coleman) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:46:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] SFH203 - photo diode alternatives Message-ID: <000601c44a6c$db91b7e0$3200000a@bronzebeauty> I have been digging around and I can't find anyone who sells BPW43. I have found the next listed preferred alternative SFH203 on sale as well as the -P, -FA and -PFA variants. Looking at the data sheet for the -P and -PFA http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/3524.pdf and http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/26539.pdf. So is there anything to choose between the SFH203 and the -P variants? When I look for the datasheet from RS it sends me to the SFH2030 - which looks similar to me - can I use it? Also BPW34 seems tempting? Also I can only get the BF988 transistors - listed with Farnell as BF988A from Vishay Siliconix. And the 16 Mhz crystal is just a standard component - with a plastic or metal body, correct? I have a range of case styles HC49/U HC18/U HC49/4H and CM309S - some are very expensive. What case style does the PCB require? HPWT-BD00-F4000 I will find somewhere! Thanks for your help. ------------------------ Gareth Coleman From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 20:46:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:46:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test In-Reply-To: <001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo>; from mixaj@mymail.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 09:31:29PM +0200 References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src> <001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 09:31:29PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Ano, postupoval.... > Jen jsem C54 and C55 osadil i s LM7805 primo na desku a ne na krabku.... > Jdu to jeste jednou cele omrknout a zkusit.... Tak osadte jeste ty kondy primo pres draty toho stabilaku. Ty stare tam muzete nechat. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 20:53:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:53:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] SFH203 - photo diode alternatives In-Reply-To: <000601c44a6c$db91b7e0$3200000a@bronzebeauty>; from gareth@sublime.org on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:48:06PM +0100 References: <000601c44a6c$db91b7e0$3200000a@bronzebeauty> Message-ID: <20040604195354.B13250@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:48:06PM +0100, Gareth Coleman wrote: > > I have been digging around and I can't find anyone who sells BPW43. I > have found the next listed preferred alternative SFH203 on sale as well > as the -P, -FA and -PFA variants. Looking at the data sheet for the -P > and -PFA http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/3524.pdf and > http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/26539.pdf. Do not use the -P one. It has different optical properties. Do not use the -F one. It has built-in optical filter. > > So is there anything to choose between the SFH203 and the -P variants? > When I look for the datasheet from RS it sends me to the SFH2030 - which > looks similar to me - can I use it? Also BPW34 seems tempting? I have bought SFH2030 too and from all points it looks like SFH203. I am running over it at the moment. I have added it to the equivalents as well as -P and -F notice. > > Also I can only get the BF988 transistors - listed with Farnell as > BF988A from Vishay Siliconix. And the 16 Mhz crystal is just a standard BF988 is perfectly OK. > component - with a plastic or metal body, correct? I have a range of > case styles HC49/U HC18/U HC49/4H and CM309S - some are very expensive. HC49/U is a crystal case. You don't want a crystal, but crystal oscillator. In the material list, there is "crystal oscillator". Crystal is not a crystal oscillator. The difference is like between clock and a pendulum. If you put a bare pendulum on your room wall, it woun't show you any time. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 20:54:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:54:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] SFH203 - photo diode alternatives In-Reply-To: <000601c44a6c$db91b7e0$3200000a@bronzebeauty>; from gareth@sublime.org on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:48:06PM +0100 References: <000601c44a6c$db91b7e0$3200000a@bronzebeauty> Message-ID: <20040604195441.C13250@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:48:06PM +0100, Gareth Coleman wrote: > > I have been digging around and I can't find anyone who sells BPW43. I > have found the next listed preferred alternative SFH203 on sale as well > as the -P, -FA and -PFA variants. Looking at the data sheet for the -P > and -PFA http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/3524.pdf and > http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/26539.pdf. > > So is there anything to choose between the SFH203 and the -P variants? > When I look for the datasheet from RS it sends me to the SFH2030 - which > looks similar to me - can I use it? Also BPW34 seems tempting? BPW34 is absolutely unusable. It's absolutely different from BPW43. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Fri Jun 4 21:11:10 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Fri Jun 4 21:11:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo> Tim chces rict, ze mam dat dalsi kondenzatory C54 a C55 primo na LM7805? OK, udelam to... Ale jestli jsi mne spravne pochopil, tak mam C55 i C54 naletovany v DPS i ten stabilizator LM7805 je na desce plosnych spoju a ne na krabicce. Jo a dodatek.. Po pripojeni napajeni se detekuje, ze je pripojen kabel a snazi se chvili problikavat ZELENA LED. Po chvili prestane... > Tak osadte jeste ty kondy primo pres draty toho stabilaku. Ty stare tam > muzete nechat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 09:31:29PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Ano, postupoval.... > > Jen jsem C54 and C55 osadil i s LM7805 primo na desku a ne na krabku.... > > Jdu to jeste jednou cele omrknout a zkusit.... > > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 21:14:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 21:14:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test In-Reply-To: <001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo>; from mixaj@mymail.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:11:10PM +0200 References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src> <001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:11:10PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Tim chces rict, ze mam dat dalsi kondenzatory C54 a C55 primo na LM7805? > OK, udelam to... > Ale jestli jsi mne spravne pochopil, tak mam C55 i C54 naletovany v DPS i > ten stabilizator LM7805 je na desce plosnych spoju a ne na krabicce. Aha tak jestli neni na dratech tak to s tima kondama pada. A nemate ho obracene? On je v te desce ze chladici packa smeruje dovnitr a ne ven. > Jo a dodatek.. > Po pripojeni napajeni se detekuje, ze je pripojen kabel a snazi se chvili > problikavat ZELENA LED. Po chvili prestane... Aha tak to asi obracene neni. Tak to z popisu nevim o co by se mohlo jednat. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Fri Jun 4 21:17:14 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Fri Jun 4 21:17:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo> Ne, neni danej obracene... Je danej tak, ze chladici plocha smeruje dovnitr a ne ven.... Me ICQ 83291546 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:11:10PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Tim chces rict, ze mam dat dalsi kondenzatory C54 a C55 primo na LM7805? > > OK, udelam to... > > Ale jestli jsi mne spravne pochopil, tak mam C55 i C54 naletovany v DPS i > > ten stabilizator LM7805 je na desce plosnych spoju a ne na krabicce. > > Aha tak jestli neni na dratech tak to s tima kondama pada. A nemate ho > obracene? On je v te desce ze chladici packa smeruje dovnitr a ne ven. > > > Jo a dodatek.. > > Po pripojeni napajeni se detekuje, ze je pripojen kabel a snazi se chvili > > problikavat ZELENA LED. Po chvili prestane... > > Aha tak to asi obracene neni. Tak to z popisu nevim o co by se mohlo jednat. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Fri Jun 4 21:23:23 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Fri Jun 4 21:23:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003101c44a71$c9d8b940$6529a8c0@diablo> Jeste mne napadlo, nemam to v krabce (zadne) mam na testovani asi 10-15cm od sebe. Nemuze se to treba nejak frekvencne rusit? Protoze kovova krabicka je na odstineni, ze? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:11:10PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Tim chces rict, ze mam dat dalsi kondenzatory C54 a C55 primo na LM7805? > > OK, udelam to... > > Ale jestli jsi mne spravne pochopil, tak mam C55 i C54 naletovany v DPS i > > ten stabilizator LM7805 je na desce plosnych spoju a ne na krabicce. > > Aha tak jestli neni na dratech tak to s tima kondama pada. A nemate ho > obracene? On je v te desce ze chladici packa smeruje dovnitr a ne ven. > > > Jo a dodatek.. > > Po pripojeni napajeni se detekuje, ze je pripojen kabel a snazi se chvili > > problikavat ZELENA LED. Po chvili prestane... > > Aha tak to asi obracene neni. Tak to z popisu nevim o co by se mohlo jednat. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 21:23:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 21:23:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test In-Reply-To: <001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo>; from mixaj@mymail.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:17:14PM +0200 References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src> <001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:17:14PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Ne, neni danej obracene... > Je danej tak, ze chladici plocha smeruje dovnitr a ne ven.... Reknete krok v navodu takovy, ze vsechny predchozi kroky navodu jste provedl a probehly uspesne, a tento krok nikoliv. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Fri Jun 4 21:34:07 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Fri Jun 4 21:34:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo> Prvni krok, ktery jsme dle navodu nedelal je vyroba krabicky - krabicka nevyrabena. Druhy krok, ktery jsme zcela nesplnil - osadil jsem DPS dle instrukci, ale osadil jsem i C54, C55, U68 (LM7805) na DPS, protoze jsme krabicku nedelal (zatim). Zkontroloval jsem DPS a zkusil zapojit - prvni neuspech (moje chyba - vynechal jsem prepinace) Druhy pokus zapojeni - nefungovalo - moje chyba - jak jsem to porad prenasel z pracovny k PC, podarilo se mi utrhnout zem. Treti pokus - kabel ve WIN a na switchi detekovan, LED zluta sviti a zelena trosku ze zacatku problikavala, nez ustala. Cervena ani tuk. Data se neprenasi ani ping nedopingne... Ted to asi odpojim a cele to pujdu krok po kroku zkontrolovat a asi i promerit..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > Reknete krok v navodu takovy, ze vsechny predchozi kroky navodu jste provedl a > probehly uspesne, a tento krok nikoliv. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 22:11:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 22:12:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test In-Reply-To: <003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo>; from mixaj@mymail.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:34:07PM +0200 References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src> <003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:34:07PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Prvni krok, ktery jsme dle navodu nedelal je vyroba krabicky - krabicka > nevyrabena. > Druhy krok, ktery jsme zcela nesplnil - osadil jsem DPS dle instrukci, ale > osadil jsem i C54, C55, U68 (LM7805) na DPS, protoze jsme krabicku nedelal > (zatim). > Zkontroloval jsem DPS a zkusil zapojit - prvni neuspech (moje chyba - > vynechal jsem prepinace) > Druhy pokus zapojeni - nefungovalo - moje chyba - jak jsem to porad prenasel > z pracovny k PC, podarilo se mi utrhnout zem. > Treti pokus - kabel ve WIN a na switchi detekovan, LED zluta sviti a zelena > trosku ze zacatku problikavala, nez ustala. Cervena ani tuk. Data se > neprenasi ani ping nedopingne... > Ted to asi odpojim a cele to pujdu krok po kroku zkontrolovat a asi i > promerit..... No podle navodu se netestuje samotny Twister, ale az cela Tetrapolis. To je k tomu na vstup toho twistera zapojenej prijimac? A pokud ano, tak jakej? Cl< > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > > > > > Reknete krok v navodu takovy, ze vsechny predchozi kroky navodu jste > provedl a > > probehly uspesne, a tento krok nikoliv. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Fri Jun 4 22:20:38 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Fri Jun 4 22:20:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src><003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000501c44a79$c95278a0$6529a8c0@diablo> Aha, tak v tom bude asi zakopanej pes. Nekde jsem se docetl (forum CZFREE nebo mailing list Brezen ale asi spis to forum, nebo nevim, kde jsem to vzal), ze TWISTERA lze otestovat tak, ze propojim Rx prvniho Twistera na Tx druheho twistera a pak by to melo fungovat jako kabel... Tak v tom pripade se VELMI ale VELMI omlouvam a padam dodelat Rx a Tx a odzkouset to komplet. > > No podle navodu se netestuje samotny Twister, ale az cela Tetrapolis. To > je k tomu na vstup toho twistera zapojenej prijimac? A pokud ano, tak jakej? > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > > > > > > > > > Reknete krok v navodu takovy, ze vsechny predchozi kroky navodu jste > > provedl a > > > probehly uspesne, a tento krok nikoliv. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Fri Jun 4 22:20:53 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Jun 4 22:21:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test In-Reply-To: <20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src> <003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40C0E7B5.1060109@host.sk> Cujte, nebolo by fajn spravit dva oddelene mailinglisty? Jeden DEV a druhy USERS alebo ASSEMBLY alebo nieco podobne? Zacina tu byt riadny zmatok a trva to relativne dlho kym clovek zaradi mail medzi dolezite alebo nedolezite. V DEV by sa mali naozaj predebatuvat len dolezite veci, navrhy a podobne a v USERS to, ze ako testovat, preco to nejde a ostatne veci. Mne by to uzasne zjednoducilo pracu - keby bolo nieco v DEV tak to je asi dolezite, ked nieco v USERS tak to pocka kym ma clovek nejaky spare time. Clocku? m. Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:34:07PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > >>Prvni krok, ktery jsme dle navodu nedelal je vyroba krabicky - krabicka >>nevyrabena. >>Druhy krok, ktery jsme zcela nesplnil - osadil jsem DPS dle instrukci, ale >>osadil jsem i C54, C55, U68 (LM7805) na DPS, protoze jsme krabicku nedelal >>(zatim). >>Zkontroloval jsem DPS a zkusil zapojit - prvni neuspech (moje chyba - >>vynechal jsem prepinace) >>Druhy pokus zapojeni - nefungovalo - moje chyba - jak jsem to porad prenasel >>z pracovny k PC, podarilo se mi utrhnout zem. >>Treti pokus - kabel ve WIN a na switchi detekovan, LED zluta sviti a zelena >>trosku ze zacatku problikavala, nez ustala. Cervena ani tuk. Data se >>neprenasi ani ping nedopingne... >>Ted to asi odpojim a cele to pujdu krok po kroku zkontrolovat a asi i >>promerit..... >> >> > >No podle navodu se netestuje samotny Twister, ale az cela Tetrapolis. To >je k tomu na vstup toho twistera zapojenej prijimac? A pokud ano, tak jakej? > >Cl< > > > > >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Karel Kulhav?" >>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:23 PM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test >> >> >> >> >> >>>Reknete krok v navodu takovy, ze vsechny predchozi kroky navodu jste >>> >>> >>provedl a >> >> >>>probehly uspesne, a tento krok nikoliv. >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.781 (20040604) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From maco at host.sk Fri Jun 4 22:23:46 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Jun 4 22:23:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test In-Reply-To: <000501c44a79$c95278a0$6529a8c0@diablo> References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src><003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c44a79$c95278a0$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <40C0E862.4010409@host.sk> Uz to tu bolo spomenute X krat. Ked chces otestovat twistra, alebo simandla, tak prepojis tx s rx a rx s tx (ale len vnutorne zily, teda bez tienenia) a prepojis zeme - tak to funguje u Simandla 100% - som to tak testoval bez modulov. m. Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >Aha, tak v tom bude asi zakopanej pes. >Nekde jsem se docetl (forum CZFREE nebo mailing list Brezen ale asi spis to >forum, nebo nevim, kde jsem to vzal), ze TWISTERA lze otestovat tak, ze >propojim Rx prvniho Twistera na Tx druheho twistera a pak by to melo >fungovat jako kabel... >Tak v tom pripade se VELMI ale VELMI omlouvam a padam dodelat Rx a Tx a >odzkouset to komplet. > > > > > >>No podle navodu se netestuje samotny Twister, ale az cela Tetrapolis. To >>je k tomu na vstup toho twistera zapojenej prijimac? A pokud ano, tak >> >> >jakej? > > >>Cl< >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Karel Kulhav?" >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:23 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Reknete krok v navodu takovy, ze vsechny predchozi kroky navodu jste >>>> >>>> >>>provedl a >>> >>> >>>>probehly uspesne, a tento krok nikoliv. >>>> >>>>Cl< >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.781 (20040604) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From mixaj at mymail.cz Fri Jun 4 23:09:37 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Fri Jun 4 23:09:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src><003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src><000501c44a79$c95278a0$6529a8c0@diablo> <40C0E862.4010409@host.sk> Message-ID: <001701c44a80$a128a000$6529a8c0@diablo> To jsem prave delal... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > Uz to tu bolo spomenute X krat. > Ked chces otestovat twistra, alebo simandla, tak prepojis tx s rx a rx s > tx (ale len vnutorne zily, teda bez tienenia) a prepojis zeme - tak to > funguje u Simandla 100% - som to tak testoval bez modulov. > > m. > > Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > >Aha, tak v tom bude asi zakopanej pes. > >Nekde jsem se docetl (forum CZFREE nebo mailing list Brezen ale asi spis to > >forum, nebo nevim, kde jsem to vzal), ze TWISTERA lze otestovat tak, ze > >propojim Rx prvniho Twistera na Tx druheho twistera a pak by to melo > >fungovat jako kabel... > >Tak v tom pripade se VELMI ale VELMI omlouvam a padam dodelat Rx a Tx a > >odzkouset to komplet. > > > > > > > > > > > >>No podle navodu se netestuje samotny Twister, ale az cela Tetrapolis. To > >>je k tomu na vstup toho twistera zapojenej prijimac? A pokud ano, tak > >> > >> > >jakej? > > > > > >>Cl< > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Karel Kulhav?" > >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:23 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Reknete krok v navodu takovy, ze vsechny predchozi kroky navodu jste > >>>> > >>>> > >>>provedl a > >>> > >>> > >>>>probehly uspesne, a tento krok nikoliv. > >>>> > >>>>Cl< > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >__________ NOD32 1.781 (20040604) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 23:35:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 23:35:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test In-Reply-To: <000501c44a79$c95278a0$6529a8c0@diablo>; from mixaj@mymail.cz on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 11:20:38PM +0200 References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src><003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c44a79$c95278a0$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040604223555.B13470@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 11:20:38PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Aha, tak v tom bude asi zakopanej pes. > Nekde jsem se docetl (forum CZFREE nebo mailing list Brezen ale asi spis to > forum, nebo nevim, kde jsem to vzal), ze TWISTERA lze otestovat tak, ze > propojim Rx prvniho Twistera na Tx druheho twistera a pak by to melo > fungovat jako kabel... No to funguje - ale musis propojit i zem (tzn. trizilovy drat) - mas trizilovy drat? > Tak v tom pripade se VELMI ale VELMI omlouvam a padam dodelat Rx a Tx a > odzkouset to komplet. Ja jsem myslel ze mas twistera jen jednoho. CL< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 4 23:37:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 23:37:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test In-Reply-To: <40C0E7B5.1060109@host.sk>; from maco@host.sk on Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 11:20:53PM +0200 References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src> <003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src> <40C0E7B5.1060109@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040604223726.C13470@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 11:20:53PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Cujte, nebolo by fajn spravit dva oddelene mailinglisty? > Jeden DEV a druhy USERS alebo ASSEMBLY alebo nieco podobne? Zacina tu > byt riadny zmatok a trva to relativne dlho kym clovek zaradi mail medzi > dolezite alebo nedolezite. V DEV by sa mali naozaj predebatuvat len > dolezite veci, navrhy a podobne a v USERS to, ze ako testovat, preco to > nejde a ostatne veci. > Mne by to uzasne zjednoducilo pracu - keby bolo nieco v DEV tak to je > asi dolezite, ked nieco v USERS tak to pocka kym ma clovek nejaky spare > time. > > Clocku? Hm no nevim nektere projekty to tak maj (geda-user a geda-dev) ale nevim podle ceho by se to melo rozlisovat. Na Ronje lidi vyvijet nechtej vsichni chtej jen uzivat (a ty co chtej vyvijet zpravidla tak cinej na vlastnim pisecku a zpusobem do projektu nezaraditelnym, az na svetle vyjimky, viz credits). Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Fri Jun 4 23:52:40 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Fri Jun 4 23:52:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src><003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src><000501c44a79$c95278a0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604223555.B13470@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001301c44a86$a4f5ecf0$6529a8c0@diablo> Ano, zeme jsem take propojil.... Ted jsem dopatlal Rx a Tx tak to zkusim zitra napojit na Twistera. Uvidim. Zatim diky za pomoc. Jarda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 11:20:38PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Aha, tak v tom bude asi zakopanej pes. > > Nekde jsem se docetl (forum CZFREE nebo mailing list Brezen ale asi spis to > > forum, nebo nevim, kde jsem to vzal), ze TWISTERA lze otestovat tak, ze > > propojim Rx prvniho Twistera na Tx druheho twistera a pak by to melo > > fungovat jako kabel... > > No to funguje - ale musis propojit i zem (tzn. trizilovy drat) - mas > trizilovy drat? > > > Tak v tom pripade se VELMI ale VELMI omlouvam a padam dodelat Rx a Tx a > > odzkouset to komplet. > > Ja jsem myslel ze mas twistera jen jednoho. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From phanumas at ratree.psu.ac.th Sat Jun 5 04:09:50 2004 From: phanumas at ratree.psu.ac.th (phanumas khumsat) Date: Sat Jun 5 04:12:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] lens Message-ID: <021301c44aaa$90bcbb00$4a101fac@ton> Hello there, Does anyone know where I can get the "130mm diameter glass loupe lens with 295mm focal length" (or something similar) in the UK? Thanks, Ton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040605/ecc5c4c8/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 5 07:52:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 5 07:52:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] lens In-Reply-To: <021301c44aaa$90bcbb00$4a101fac@ton>; from phanumas@ratree.psu.ac.th on Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 10:09:50AM +0700 References: <021301c44aaa$90bcbb00$4a101fac@ton> Message-ID: <20040605065235.A200@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 10:09:50AM +0700, phanumas khumsat wrote: > Hello there, > > Does anyone know where I can get the "130mm diameter glass loupe lens with > 295mm focal length" (or something similar) in the UK? Oh people please start writing something here http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware or I'll have to rename the list from "ronja" to "wherecanIgetthepartsinmycountry". These questions are repeating again and again. If noone is interested in adding this info on the Wiki because he already has the parts and doesn't care if the others will be able to get them, I'll start making a trade: answer where to get part X after he writes something about getting the part Y here: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware These loupes are being made in China. If they are not being imported into UK, then you'll have to ask someone from Czech Republic to buy them in the fishmarket for you and send them by mail. Does a packet go through customs when sending between two countries within EU? Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Jun 5 11:24:06 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Jun 5 11:24:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI?? Message-ID: <20040605102407Z1308370-14803+44844@mail.centrum.cz> aha... uz je mi to jasne. tak sem zsa po neco chytrejsi :)) dik... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Ondrej Tesar > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:12:00 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] RSSI?? > > Reciever Strengh Signal Indicator > Tebe zajima minimum, pri kterem jeste tecou data (to zjistis > experimentalne na stole - max. dosah bez optiky) a cokoliv navic bude > rezerva na horsi pocasi, uhnuti drzaku a tak.... > Maxumim taky zjistis, proste si to na stole das nejbliz k sobe a > zmeris to RSSI. Je to okolo 4.5V ale lisi se to kus od kusu. > > OndraT > > JM> vsude se tady pise o "rssi". a ja nevim co to je? mohl by mi to nekdo pls vysvetlit? ja zatim pochopil ze je to asi jakasi "sila" signalu vyjadrena napetim. ma to nejakou "horni hranici"? ze > JM> treba ... 4V jsou 100%ni signal nebo tak? > > JM> Dik Kubas > > JM> -------------------- > JM> Kone?n? t? vid?m barevn?. SAMSUNG X450 ji? od 2577 K?. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/index.php > > > > > JM> _______________________________________________ > JM> Ronja mailing list > JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Jun 5 11:31:27 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Jun 5 11:32:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nastredenie LEDky do stredu rury Message-ID: <20040605103127Z1308167-14805+45059@mail.centrum.cz> :)).... mno, nezni to spatne...mozna by ta elektronika pak ani nemusela byt v te hranate pocin. krabicce ale jenom v konzerve :))..... a tvister by se mozna vesel do krabky od lahudkovych parku :))) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Marcel Hecko > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 21:14:59 +0200 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Nastredenie LEDky do stredu rury > > Co poviete na to co sme vymysleli s presnym nastredenim ledky na stred > trubice a sosovky? > http://www.maco.sk/ronja/2004_04_15/ > > Je to konzerve od hrasku z tesca za 30 korun. Hrach je fakt hnusny, ale > tie plechovice boli do 100 PVC rury uplne idealne. Vacsie onzervy sme > nezohnali, ale ani sme nechceli - ale tieto uplne perfektne pasnu na > kratke spoje pri 90 lupach. :) > > Cakam na vase kritiky. > > Maco > www.blava.net > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From arni at undernet.lv Sat Jun 5 15:54:11 2004 From: arni at undernet.lv (arni) Date: Sat Jun 5 15:54:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Lens in Prague Message-ID: <000001c44b0c$f6392f10$45b1fea9@arnihome> Hi, I have a little problem. My friend is in Prague right now (at this moment), trying to get the lens for Ronja. Can anyone please give an exact address of any market, where he can find them? Since Prague is a very big city. Thanks, arni. From jkrul at seznam.cz Sat Jun 5 16:03:05 2004 From: jkrul at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jir=ED_Krul?=) Date: Sat Jun 5 16:03:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Lens in Prague References: <000001c44b0c$f6392f10$45b1fea9@arnihome> Message-ID: <000901c44b0e$372985f0$0414a8c0@pc> OK this is very sipple, market hall in Holesovice. This is big Asia market hall in Prague. Price is about 3US$ / piece. ----- Original Message ----- From: "arni" To: Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: [Ronja] Lens in Prague > > Hi, > > I have a little problem. My friend is in Prague right now (at this > moment), trying to get the lens for Ronja. Can anyone please give an > exact address of any market, where he can find them? Since Prague is a > very big city. > > > Thanks, > arni. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 5 16:15:12 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 5 16:15:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Lens in Prague In-Reply-To: <000001c44b0c$f6392f10$45b1fea9@arnihome>; from arni@undernet.lv on Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 05:54:11PM +0300 References: <000001c44b0c$f6392f10$45b1fea9@arnihome> Message-ID: <20040605151512.A2405@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 05:54:11PM +0300, arni wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a little problem. My friend is in Prague right now (at this > moment), trying to get the lens for Ronja. Can anyone please give an > exact address of any market, where he can find them? Since Prague is a > very big city. Bubenske nabrezi 13/306 http://www.prazskatrznice.cz/ Cl< From arni at undernet.lv Sat Jun 5 18:03:09 2004 From: arni at undernet.lv (Arnold Mingin) Date: Sat Jun 5 18:03:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Lens in Prague In-Reply-To: <20040605151512.A2405@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000101c44b1e$fa90eb40$45b1fea9@arnihome> Thanks! He found it! Unfortunately it doesn't work today. But it's a least problem. Anyway, maybe you could also give an address of electronic store? 74HC133 is a real pain in the ass to find here in Latvia... arni. > -----Original Message----- > From: ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net] > On Behalf Of Karel Kulhav? > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 18:15 > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Lens in Prague > > > On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 05:54:11PM +0300, arni wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have a little problem. My friend is in Prague right now (at this > > moment), trying to get the lens for Ronja. Can anyone > please give an > > exact address of any market, where he can find them? Since > Prague is a > > very big city. > > Bubenske nabrezi 13/306 > http://www.prazskatrznice.cz/ > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From honza.havlicek at seznam.cz Sat Jun 5 18:15:43 2004 From: honza.havlicek at seznam.cz (Kero) Date: Sat Jun 5 18:16:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Lens in Prague In-Reply-To: <000101c44b1e$fa90eb40$45b1fea9@arnihome> References: <000101c44b1e$fa90eb40$45b1fea9@arnihome> Message-ID: <40C1FFBF.6090907@seznam.cz> www.gme.cz, there should be almost everything. Sokolovska 32, 186 00 Praha 8 Kero Arnold Mingin napsal(a): > > Thanks! He found it! Unfortunately it doesn't work today. But it's a > least problem. > Anyway, maybe you could also give an address of electronic store? > 74HC133 is a real pain in the ass to find here in Latvia... > > > arni. From steebe at seznam.cz Sat Jun 5 20:22:25 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sat Jun 5 20:23:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nastaveni prepinacu atd Message-ID: <000a01c44b32$8d1295f0$0581000a@steebe> Par dotazecku .. Tak teda pokud sem to spravne pochopil tak je to asi takhle ?e ? : kdy? S1 prepnu nahoru a zaroven S2 nahoru tak muzu Twistera zapojit do PC rovnou na LANku .. Kdyz prepnu S1 dolu a zaroven S2 dolu tak to muzu strcit do Switche .. To ja jen ze si vytisknu samolepky :) pro obsluhu :)) s switchem a PC :))) Pripominka 2 na twisteru sem nenasel kontakty na civku z http://images.twibright.com/tns/f81.html sem nic nenasel a vespod to taky asi nebude .. takze logicky usuzuju ze civka se pripojuje na vystupu mimo krabku twistera .. co ? Predem diky za odpovedi ... Steebe ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040605/ec5194b8/attachment.htm From kneza at poupe.net Sat Jun 5 20:25:30 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Sat Jun 5 20:25:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nastaveni prepinacu atd In-Reply-To: <000a01c44b32$8d1295f0$0581000a@steebe> References: <000a01c44b32$8d1295f0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <40C21E2A.1050102@poupe.net> Civka, pripadne kupovana tlumivka 1uH se dava do L51 vlevo. Kneza Steebe wrote: > Par dotazecku .. > > Tak teda pokud sem to spravne pochopil tak je to asi takhle ?e ? > > : kdy? S1 prepnu nahoru a zaroven S2 nahoru tak muzu Twistera > zapojit do PC rovnou na LANku .. > > Kdyz prepnu S1 dolu a zaroven S2 dolu tak to muzu strcit do Switche .. > > To ja jen ze si vytisknu samolepky :) pro obsluhu :)) s switchem a PC :))) > > > > Pripominka 2 na twisteru sem nenasel kontakty na civku z > http://images.twibright.com/tns/f81.html sem nic nenasel a vespod to > taky asi nebude .. takze logicky usuzuju ze civka se pripojuje na > vystupu mimo krabku twistera .. co ? > > Predem diky za odpovedi ... > > Steebe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 5 20:26:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 5 20:26:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nastaveni prepinacu atd In-Reply-To: <000a01c44b32$8d1295f0$0581000a@steebe>; from steebe@seznam.cz on Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:22:25PM +0200 References: <000a01c44b32$8d1295f0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040605192618.B3194@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:22:25PM +0200, Steebe wrote: > Par dotazecku .. > > Tak teda pokud sem to spravne pochopil tak je to asi takhle ?e ? > > : kdy? S1 prepnu nahoru a zaroven S2 nahoru tak muzu Twistera zapojit do PC rovnou na LANku .. > > Kdyz prepnu S1 dolu a zaroven S2 dolu tak to muzu strcit do Switche .. > > To ja jen ze si vytisknu samolepky :) pro obsluhu :)) s switchem a PC :))) > > > > > Pripominka 2 na twisteru sem nenasel kontakty na civku z > http://images.twibright.com/tns/f81.html sem nic nenasel a vespod to taky > asi nebude .. takze logicky usuzuju ze civka se pripojuje na vystupu > mimo krabku twistera .. co ? Na http://images.twibright.com/tns/f81.html letovaci plosky na civku jsou. Cl< From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Sat Jun 5 20:29:23 2004 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vojtech_Cizinsk=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 5 20:30:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek References: Message-ID: <000401c44b33$687af380$702da8c0@woita> Nevite, zda by sly ty rezistory pridelat na cocku zevnitr, aniz by se tim nejak dramaticky snizila ucinnost vytapeni? WoiTa btw: prakticka maturita (Ronja) za jedna :o) Ale nejlepsi byl predseda komise, kterej se me po 1/4 hodine zeptal, na co to vlastne je :) From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 5 20:31:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 5 20:31:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek In-Reply-To: <000401c44b33$687af380$702da8c0@woita>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:29:23PM +0200 References: <000401c44b33$687af380$702da8c0@woita> Message-ID: <20040605193136.B3264@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:29:23PM +0200, Vojtech Cizinsk? wrote: > Nevite, zda by sly ty rezistory pridelat na cocku zevnitr, aniz by se tim > nejak dramaticky snizila ucinnost vytapeni? > > WoiTa > > btw: prakticka maturita (Ronja) za jedna :o) Ale nejlepsi byl predseda > komise, kterej se me po 1/4 hodine zeptal, na co to vlastne je :) Sou nejaky fotky? Cl< From steebe at seznam.cz Sat Jun 5 20:32:50 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sat Jun 5 20:33:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nastaveni prepinacu atd References: <000a01c44b32$8d1295f0$0581000a@steebe> <40C21E2A.1050102@poupe.net> Message-ID: <002301c44b33$e6295420$0581000a@steebe> Sakra tak to prominte z fotek osazenejch tw. to vypada jako odpor ale nenapadlo mne ze to je kus navynutyho dratu takhle voplacanyho .. Beru z5 :-( moje chyba .. a co ty prepinace pls ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nastaveni prepinacu atd Civka, pripadne kupovana tlumivka 1uH se dava do L51 vlevo. Kneza Steebe wrote: > Par dotazecku .. > > Tak teda pokud sem to spravne pochopil tak je to asi takhle ?e ? > > : kdy? S1 prepnu nahoru a zaroven S2 nahoru tak muzu Twistera > zapojit do PC rovnou na LANku .. > > Kdyz prepnu S1 dolu a zaroven S2 dolu tak to muzu strcit do Switche .. > > To ja jen ze si vytisknu samolepky :) pro obsluhu :)) s switchem a PC :))) > > > > Pripominka 2 na twisteru sem nenasel kontakty na civku z > http://images.twibright.com/tns/f81.html sem nic nenasel a vespod to > taky asi nebude .. takze logicky usuzuju ze civka se pripojuje na > vystupu mimo krabku twistera .. co ? > > Predem diky za odpovedi ... > > Steebe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Sat Jun 5 20:34:48 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Sat Jun 5 20:34:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nastaveni prepinacu atd In-Reply-To: <002301c44b33$e6295420$0581000a@steebe> References: <000a01c44b32$8d1295f0$0581000a@steebe> <40C21E2A.1050102@poupe.net> <002301c44b33$e6295420$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <40C22058.2030402@poupe.net> http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/labels.png - z toho je to jasne a hlavne se o tom tak max pred tydnem mluvilo v konfere :-) Kneza Steebe wrote: > Sakra tak to prominte z fotek osazenejch tw. to vypada jako odpor ale > nenapadlo mne ze to je kus navynutyho dratu takhle voplacanyho .. > Beru z5 :-( moje chyba .. > > a co ty prepinace pls ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Nastaveni prepinacu atd > > > Civka, pripadne kupovana tlumivka 1uH se dava do L51 vlevo. > Kneza > > Steebe wrote: > >>Par dotazecku .. >> >>Tak teda pokud sem to spravne pochopil tak je to asi takhle ?e ? >> >>: kdy? S1 prepnu nahoru a zaroven S2 nahoru tak muzu Twistera >>zapojit do PC rovnou na LANku .. >> >>Kdyz prepnu S1 dolu a zaroven S2 dolu tak to muzu strcit do Switche .. >> >>To ja jen ze si vytisknu samolepky :) pro obsluhu :)) s switchem a PC > > :))) > >> >> >>Pripominka 2 na twisteru sem nenasel kontakty na civku z >>http://images.twibright.com/tns/f81.html sem nic nenasel a vespod to >>taky asi nebude .. takze logicky usuzuju ze civka se pripojuje na >>vystupu mimo krabku twistera .. co ? >> >>Predem diky za odpovedi ... >> >>Steebe >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Jun 5 20:36:12 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sat Jun 5 20:36:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek References: <000401c44b33$687af380$702da8c0@woita> Message-ID: <001601c44b34$5c696490$0103450a@thechosen> ja ty odpory zevnitr mam, jest esem je prilepil pryskyrici abych zvysil prenos tepla do skla. zatim nepozoruju nic nepekneho, se pozna v zime. > Nevite, zda by sly ty rezistory pridelat na cocku zevnitr, aniz by se tim > nejak dramaticky snizila ucinnost vytapeni? > > WoiTa > > btw: prakticka maturita (Ronja) za jedna :o) Ale nejlepsi byl predseda > komise, kterej se me po 1/4 hodine zeptal, na co to vlastne je :) > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 5 20:48:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 5 20:48:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nastaveni prepinacu atd In-Reply-To: <002301c44b33$e6295420$0581000a@steebe>; from steebe@seznam.cz on Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:32:50PM +0200 References: <000a01c44b32$8d1295f0$0581000a@steebe> <40C21E2A.1050102@poupe.net> <002301c44b33$e6295420$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040605194800.B3368@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:32:50PM +0200, Steebe wrote: > Sakra tak to prominte z fotek osazenejch tw. to vypada jako odpor ale > nenapadlo mne ze to je kus navynutyho dratu takhle voplacanyho .. > Beru z5 :-( moje chyba .. > > a co ty prepinace pls ? Vyznam prepinacu je popsanej na tom stitku co se nalepuje na Twister: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/labels.png Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Jun 5 21:04:09 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Jun 5 21:04:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src><003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src><000501c44a79$c95278a0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604223555.B13470@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000f01c44b38$443544d0$6529a8c0@diablo> Twister - Fungujeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Ani nevite, jak jsem rad, ze se mi to rozbehlo.... Jeste k tomu znova hodim Rx a Tx a testnu to znova. Ale v com byla zavada, fakt nevim. Vlastne mozna vim - mel jsem otocene cervene LED diody na obou Twisterech (ale to Karel Kulhavy psal, ze to ma fungovat i bez LED a kdyz jsem to zkousel bez LED diod, tak to taky nefungovalo) Co jsem udelal, ze jsem zahodil vsechny draty a udelal to zapojeni znova. Takze propojeni Twister - Twister funguje ;-) Karle dekuji za rady na mailinglistu a za Twistra. Ma radost je nepopsatelna...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 11:20:38PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Aha, tak v tom bude asi zakopanej pes. > > Nekde jsem se docetl (forum CZFREE nebo mailing list Brezen ale asi spis to > > forum, nebo nevim, kde jsem to vzal), ze TWISTERA lze otestovat tak, ze > > propojim Rx prvniho Twistera na Tx druheho twistera a pak by to melo > > fungovat jako kabel... > > No to funguje - ale musis propojit i zem (tzn. trizilovy drat) - mas > trizilovy drat? > > > Tak v tom pripade se VELMI ale VELMI omlouvam a padam dodelat Rx a Tx a > > odzkouset to komplet. > > Ja jsem myslel ze mas twistera jen jednoho. > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Jun 5 21:26:06 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Jun 5 21:26:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src><003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src><000501c44a79$c95278a0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604223555.B13470@beton.cybernet.src> <000f01c44b38$443544d0$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <001201c44b3b$54eeb420$0101a8c0@cz> Lol....to je radosti vid? -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslav Mixa" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > Twister - > Fungujeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > Ani nevite, jak jsem rad, ze se mi to rozbehlo.... > Jeste k tomu znova hodim Rx a Tx a testnu to znova. > > Ale v com byla zavada, fakt nevim. > Vlastne mozna vim - mel jsem otocene cervene LED diody na obou Twisterech > (ale to Karel Kulhavy psal, ze to ma fungovat i bez LED a kdyz jsem to > zkousel bez LED diod, tak to taky nefungovalo) > Co jsem udelal, ze jsem zahodil vsechny draty a udelal to zapojeni znova. > > Takze propojeni Twister - Twister funguje ;-) > > Karle dekuji za rady na mailinglistu a za Twistra. > Ma radost je nepopsatelna...... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 12:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister - test > > > > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 11:20:38PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > Aha, tak v tom bude asi zakopanej pes. > > > Nekde jsem se docetl (forum CZFREE nebo mailing list Brezen ale asi spis > to > > > forum, nebo nevim, kde jsem to vzal), ze TWISTERA lze otestovat tak, ze > > > propojim Rx prvniho Twistera na Tx druheho twistera a pak by to melo > > > fungovat jako kabel... > > > > No to funguje - ale musis propojit i zem (tzn. trizilovy drat) - mas > > trizilovy drat? > > > > > Tak v tom pripade se VELMI ale VELMI omlouvam a padam dodelat Rx a Tx a > > > odzkouset to komplet. > > > > Ja jsem myslel ze mas twistera jen jednoho. > > > > CL< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From polous at katka.biz Sun Jun 6 00:10:52 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Jun 6 00:10:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Lens in Prague References: <000101c44b1e$fa90eb40$45b1fea9@arnihome> Message-ID: <027a01c44b52$5944f770$5445150a@p0l0us> I bought HC(T)133 in http://www.pselectronic.cz/. You can ask for pieces on info@pselectronic.cz. Address: PS electronic Husitsk? 54 130 00 Praha 3 p0l0us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnold Mingin" To: "'Twibright Ronja'" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [Ronja] Lens in Prague Thanks! He found it! Unfortunately it doesn't work today. But it's a least problem. Anyway, maybe you could also give an address of electronic store? 74HC133 is a real pain in the ass to find here in Latvia... arni. From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Sun Jun 6 09:07:35 2004 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vojtech_Cizinsk=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 6 09:08:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Vytapeni cocek References: Message-ID: <000401c44b9d$536d30b0$702da8c0@woita> On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:29:23PM +0200, Vojtech Cizinsk? wrote: >> Nevite, zda by sly ty rezistory pridelat na cocku zevnitr, aniz by se tim > >nejak dramaticky snizila ucinnost vytapeni? > > > >WoiTa > > > >btw: prakticka maturita (Ronja) za jedna :o) Ale nejlepsi byl predseda >> komise, kterej se me po 1/4 hodine zeptal, na co to vlastne je :) >Sou nejaky fotky? Z matury ne :( Fotky dodam, az to bude nainstalovany a v provozu... WoiTa Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Jun 6 12:13:56 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Jun 6 12:14:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek Message-ID: <20040606111408Z1303887-14804+59955@mail.centrum.cz> hm, asi byl blbsi nez ty :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Vojtech Cizinsk? > Komu: > CC: > Datum: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 21:29:23 +0200 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek > > Nevite, zda by sly ty rezistory pridelat na cocku zevnitr, aniz by se tim > nejak dramaticky snizila ucinnost vytapeni? > > WoiTa > > btw: prakticka maturita (Ronja) za jedna :o) Ale nejlepsi byl predseda > komise, kterej se me po 1/4 hodine zeptal, na co to vlastne je :) > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Jun 6 12:35:36 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Jun 6 12:36:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek Message-ID: <20040606113539Z1301439-14803+60259@mail.centrum.cz> ne, prd, jak to ctu po sobe tak to zni blbe. chtel sem rict ze ten predseda byl mene chytrejsi nez ty.... ne blbsi.... ale mene chytrejsi :)).... sory :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Jakub Michn?k" > Komu: > CC: > Datum: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 13:13:56 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek > > hm, asi byl blbsi nez ty :) > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Vojtech Cizinsk? > > Komu: > > CC: > > Datum: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 21:29:23 +0200 > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek > > > > Nevite, zda by sly ty rezistory pridelat na cocku zevnitr, aniz by se tim > > nejak dramaticky snizila ucinnost vytapeni? > > > > WoiTa > > > > btw: prakticka maturita (Ronja) za jedna :o) Ale nejlepsi byl predseda > > komise, kterej se me po 1/4 hodine zeptal, na co to vlastne je :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Jun 6 12:39:04 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Jun 6 12:39:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] program PCB Message-ID: <20040606113905Z1304011-14804+60222@mail.centrum.cz> chtel sem se zeptat jak mam pustit ten program co v nem sou delane ty ts na twistra. co sem pochopil tak je to pod linux, ale kdyz sem si z te stranky na kerou tam je odkaz stahl pcb-20040215.tar tak jak to spustit........ doufam ze vite co myslim :) From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 6 14:02:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 6 14:02:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] program PCB In-Reply-To: <20040606113905Z1304011-14804+60222@mail.centrum.cz>; from jjaakkuubb@centrum.cz on Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 01:39:04PM +0200 References: <20040606113905Z1304011-14804+60222@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040606130220.A3950@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 01:39:04PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > chtel sem se zeptat jak mam pustit ten program co v nem sou delane ty ts na > twistra. co sem pochopil tak je to pod linux, ale kdyz sem si z te stranky na > kerou tam je odkaz stahl pcb-20040215.tar tak jak to spustit........ doufam > ze vite co myslim :) Musis to nejdriv rozbalit a pak si precist soubor README co v tom archivu je a tam je navod k pouziti. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 6 16:00:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 6 16:00:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - test In-Reply-To: <338072134.20040606165702@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 04:57:02PM +0200 References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src> <003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src> <40C0E7B5.1060109@host.sk> <20040604223726.C13470@beton.cybernet.src> <338072134.20040606165702@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040606150052.A6132@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 04:57:02PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj, > ja bych to nedelil... Stejne by clovek sledoval oboji. > > KK> Hm no nevim nektere projekty to tak maj (geda-user a geda-dev) ale nevim > KK> podle ceho by se to melo rozlisovat. Na Ronje lidi vyvijet nechtej > KK> vsichni chtej jen uzivat (a ty co chtej vyvijet zpravidla tak cinej > KK> na vlastnim pisecku a zpusobem do projektu nezaraditelnym, az na svetle > KK> vyjimky, viz credits). > > Jak a CO ma clovek vyvijet, aby projektu pomohl a bylo to do projektu > zaraditelne? Idealne neco, k cemu nepotrebuju Linux :-) Treba vrtaci sablonky na mechaniku ktera se vrta a sablonky tam jeste nejsou. Nebo kdyz uz nekdo vytvori nejaky tistaky tak aby to udelal pod PCB (muze to udelat i pod jinym svobodnym softwarem na tistaky ktery nevyzaduje ke svemu behu zadny dalsi proprietarni software (windows jsou proprietarni software), ale o zadnem takovem nevim). Cl< > > Ondra > > KK> Cl< > > KK> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 11:20:53PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > >> Cujte, nebolo by fajn spravit dva oddelene mailinglisty? > >> Jeden DEV a druhy USERS alebo ASSEMBLY alebo nieco podobne? Zacina tu? > >> byt riadny zmatok a trva to relativne dlho kym clovek zaradi mail medzi > >> dolezite alebo nedolezite. V DEV by sa mali naozaj predebatuvat len > >> dolezite veci, navrhy a podobne a v USERS to, ze ako testovat, preco to > >> nejde a ostatne veci. > >> Mne by to uzasne zjednoducilo pracu - keby bolo nieco v DEV tak to je > >> asi dolezite, ked nieco v USERS tak to pocka kym ma clovek nejaky spare > >> time. > >> > >> Clocku? > > From chalucha at centrum.cz Mon Jun 7 08:42:44 2004 From: chalucha at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9_Chaloupka?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 08:42:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <20040606150052.A6132@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040604181627.A12875@beton.cybernet.src><000001c44a68$f44763b0$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604192529.A13216@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a6a$89413f80$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604194627.A13250@beton.cybernet.src><001101c44a70$1510c670$6529a8c0@diablo><20040604201411.F13345@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c44a70$ede580d0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604202322.A13435@beton.cybernet.src> <003c01c44a73$4a3b47f0$6529a8c0@diablo> <20040604211158.A13470@beton.cybernet.src> <40C0E7B5.1060109@host.sk> <20040604223726.C13470@beton.cybernet.src> <338072134.20040606165702@volny.cz> <20040606150052.A6132@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40C41C74.4020002@centrum.cz> Zdravim, nedelal jste nekdo konstrukci na takovejhle kousicek? Zda se nam dost zbytecny tam davat i tu mensi verzi ronji, potrebujem aby to bylo maly a lehky. Nevite jaky velikosti cocek se daji sehnat? Zrejme to dame do plastovejch trubek s malym prumerem, ale problem je s pomerne velkyma krabickama RX a TX. Nemate s tim nekdo zkusenost? From schum at seznam.cz Mon Jun 7 08:53:12 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 08:53:22 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Ronja=20na=2015m=20=3A=29?= In-Reply-To: <40C41C74.4020002@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Tom?? Chaloupka" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) Datum (Date): 7. 6. 2004 9:42 ================================================== > Zdravim, > nedelal jste nekdo konstrukci na takovejhle kousicek? > Zda se nam dost zbytecny tam davat i tu mensi verzi ronji, potrebujem > aby to bylo maly a lehky. > Nevite jaky velikosti cocek se daji sehnat? Zrejme to dame do > plastovejch trubek s malym prumerem, ale problem je s pomerne velkyma > krabickama RX a TX. > > Nemate s tim nekdo zkusenost? trubka 75mm, v optice koupena cocka 65mm co se pouziva do bryli, +5D/80K? kus, mozna se daj v optice koupit i mensi ale pak se ti tam fakt nevejdou ty krabi?ky s Rx a Tx. Ja jsem do te trubky dal krabi?ky U-AH-101 mirek ____________________________________________________________ Exkluzivn?: Nov? Porsche 911 ? poj?te se sv?zt s n?mi http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74904 From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Jun 7 08:56:09 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Jun 7 08:56:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <200406070956.09772.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > Nevite jaky velikosti cocek se daji sehnat? Zrejme to dame do > > plastovejch trubek s malym prumerem, ale problem je s pomerne velkyma > > krabickama RX a TX. > > Ja bych koupil v papirnictvi lupy o prumeru 5cm (6cm) ty da, na Tx. Pri takovehle vzdalenosti bych rekl ze cocka na Rx je zbytecny prepich :-) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Jun 7 09:20:11 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Jun 7 09:18:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1615075830.20040607102011@volny.cz> Elektronika v krabicce UAH102 se akorat vejde do trubky prum. 75mm. Cocka od vietnamcu (75mm)za 30kc se musi pridelat z venku k te trubce - myslim ze se dovnitr nevejde. Zatim jsem to nestavel (nemel jsem duvod ) ale jen tak jsem si to sesazoval dohromady v Bauhauzu :-) BTW: Pozor na predepsanou minimalni vzdalenost Ronjy, myslim ze ji Clock nekde na strankach pise, ale nevim ted kolik je. OndraT sm> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1v= a =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D sm> Od (From): "Tom=E1=9A Chaloupka" sm> Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" sm> Kopie (Cc): sm> P=F8edm=ECt (Subject): [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) sm> Datum (Date): 7. 6. 2004 9:42 sm> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D >> Zdravim, >> nedelal jste nekdo konstrukci na takovejhle kousicek=3F >> Zda se nam dost zbytecny tam davat i tu mensi verzi ronji, potrebujem >> aby to bylo maly a lehky. >> Nevite jaky velikosti cocek se daji sehnat=3F Zrejme to dame do >> plastovejch trubek s malym prumerem, ale problem je s pomerne velkyma >> krabickama RX a TX. >> >> Nemate s tim nekdo zkusenost=3F sm> trubka 75mm, v optice koupena cocka 65mm co se pouziva do bryli, +5D/80= K=E8 kus, mozna se daj v optice koupit i mensi ale pak se ti tam fakt nevej= dou ty krabi=E8ky s Rx a Tx. Ja jsem do te trubky dal sm> krabi=E8ky U-AH-101 sm> mirek sm> ____________________________________________________________ sm> Exkluzivn=EC: Nov=E9 Porsche 911 =96 poj=EFte se sv=E9zt s n=E1mi sm> http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru=3FspotId=3D74904 sm> _______________________________________________ sm> Ronja mailing list sm> Ronja@lists.pointless.net sm> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From honza.havlicek at seznam.cz Mon Jun 7 09:55:03 2004 From: honza.havlicek at seznam.cz (Kero) Date: Mon Jun 7 09:56:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <1615075830.20040607102011@volny.cz> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <1615075830.20040607102011@volny.cz> Message-ID: <40C42D67.606@seznam.cz> Minimalni vzdalenost ronjy je 1/15 (0.0667) nominalniho odsahu http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/spec.php mejte se lepe nez ja, Kero Ondrej Tesar napsal(a): > Elektronika v krabicce UAH102 se akorat vejde do trubky > prum. 75mm. Cocka od vietnamcu (75mm)za 30kc se musi pridelat z venku > k te trubce - myslim ze se dovnitr nevejde. > Zatim jsem to nestavel (nemel jsem duvod ) ale jen tak jsem si to > sesazoval dohromady v Bauhauzu :-) >=20 > BTW: Pozor na predepsanou minimalni vzdalenost Ronjy, myslim ze ji > Clock nekde na strankach pise, ale nevim ted kolik je. >=20 > OndraT >=20 > sm> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D P=F9vodn=ED zpr= =E1va =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > sm> Od (From): "Tom=E1=9A Chaloupka" > sm> Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > sm> Kopie (Cc): > sm> P=F8edm=ECt (Subject): [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) > sm> Datum (Date): 7. 6. 2004 9:42 > sm> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D >=20 >=20 >>>Zdravim, >>>nedelal jste nekdo konstrukci na takovejhle kousicek? >>>Zda se nam dost zbytecny tam davat i tu mensi verzi ronji, potrebujem >>>aby to bylo maly a lehky. >>>Nevite jaky velikosti cocek se daji sehnat? Zrejme to dame do >>>plastovejch trubek s malym prumerem, ale problem je s pomerne velkyma >>>krabickama RX a TX. >>> >>>Nemate s tim nekdo zkusenost? >=20 >=20 > sm> trubka 75mm, v optice koupena cocka 65mm co se pouziva do bryli, +5= D/80K=E8 kus, mozna se daj v optice koupit i mensi ale pak se ti tam fakt= nevejdou ty krabi=E8ky s Rx a Tx. Ja jsem do te trubky dal > sm> krabi=E8ky U-AH-101 >=20 > sm> mirek > sm> ____________________________________________________________ > sm> Exkluzivn=EC: Nov=E9 Porsche 911 =96 poj=EFte se sv=E9zt s n=E1mi > sm> http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=3D74904 >=20 > sm> _______________________________________________ > sm> Ronja mailing list > sm> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > sm> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 >=20 >=20 From chalucha at centrum.cz Mon Jun 7 09:57:20 2004 From: chalucha at centrum.cz (=?UTF-8?B?VG9tw6HFoSBDaGFsb3Vwa2E=?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 09:57:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <40C42DF0.4000303@centrum.cz> schumann miroslav wrote: > trubka 75mm, v optice koupena cocka 65mm co se pouziva do bryli, > +5D/80K?? kus, mozna se daj v optice koupit i mensi ale pak se ti tam > fakt nevejdou ty krabi??ky s Rx a Tx. Ja jsem do te trubky dal > krabi??ky U-AH-101 > > mirek > To musi bejt celkem boj to tam nacpat do tech krabicek, ale proc ne. RX i s prepazkama? :) Z fotek plastovejch rour mi jeste celkem neni jasny jak tam chytate ty cocky. Dozadu se asi da koupit naka zaslepka, ale na tu cocku aby byla vevnitr rovne, da se tam do neceho usadit? From chalucha at centrum.cz Mon Jun 7 10:13:45 2004 From: chalucha at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9_Chaloupka?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 10:13:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <40C42D67.606@seznam.cz> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <1615075830.20040607102011@volny.cz> <40C42D67.606@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <40C431C9.8010802@centrum.cz> Kero wrote: > Minimalni vzdalenost ronjy je 1/15 (0.0667) nominalniho odsahu > http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/spec.php > > mejte se lepe nez ja, Kero > A muzu se zeptat z jakeho duvodu tomu tak je a jake 2 pasivni komponenty je kvuli tomu potreba vymenit? Diky From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 7 10:23:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 10:23:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <40C431C9.8010802@centrum.cz>; from chalucha@centrum.cz on Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 11:13:45AM +0200 References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <1615075830.20040607102011@volny.cz> <40C42D67.606@seznam.cz> <40C431C9.8010802@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040607092327.A7677@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 11:13:45AM +0200, Tom?? Chaloupka wrote: > Kero wrote: > > > Minimalni vzdalenost ronjy je 1/15 (0.0667) nominalniho odsahu > > http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/spec.php > > > > mejte se lepe nez ja, Kero > > > A muzu se zeptat z jakeho duvodu tomu tak je a jake 2 pasivni komponenty > je kvuli tomu potreba vymenit? Je to z duvodu ze NE592 se prebudi signalem. http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png Da se misto C110 seriova kombinace odpor R a kondenzator C takova, aby platilo (R+32ohm))*C=270pF*32ohm pricemz zesileni se snizi v pomeru 32/(R+32) Potrebujeme-li 2x mensi vzdalenost nez minimalni, zesileni musi byt 4x mensi (je to umera s druhou mocninou). Cl< > > Diky > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Mon Jun 7 11:05:20 2004 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vojtech_Cizinsk=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 11:06:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek References: <20040607091435Z278645-13729+4286@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000801c44c76$f0fbeb30$702da8c0@woita> :))) >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 13:35:36 +0200 >From: "Jakub Michn?k" >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek >To: >Message-ID: <20040606113539Z1301439-14803+60259@mail.centrum.cz> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 >ne, prd, jak to ctu po sobe tak to zni blbe. chtel sem rict ze ten predseda byl mene chytrejsi nez >ty.... ne blbsi.... ale mene chytrejsi :)).... sory :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Jakub Michn?k" > Komu: > CC: > Datum: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 13:13:56 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek > > hm, asi byl blbsi nez ty :) > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Vojtech Cizinsk? > > Komu: > > CC: > > Datum: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 21:29:23 +0200 > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek > > > > Nevite, zda by sly ty rezistory pridelat na cocku zevnitr, aniz by se tim > > nejak dramaticky snizila ucinnost vytapeni? > > > > WoiTa > > > > btw: prakticka maturita (Ronja) za jedna :o) Ale nejlepsi byl predseda > > komise, kterej se me po 1/4 hodine zeptal, na co to vlastne je :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 7 11:29:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 11:29:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek In-Reply-To: <000801c44c76$f0fbeb30$702da8c0@woita>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 12:05:20PM +0200 References: <20040607091435Z278645-13729+4286@mail.centrum.cz> <000801c44c76$f0fbeb30$702da8c0@woita> Message-ID: <20040607102929.B8830@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 12:05:20PM +0200, Vojtech Cizinsk? wrote: > :))) > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 13:35:36 +0200 > >From: "Jakub Michn?k" > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek > >To: > >Message-ID: <20040606113539Z1301439-14803+60259@mail.centrum.cz> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 > > >ne, prd, jak to ctu po sobe tak to zni blbe. chtel sem rict ze ten predseda > byl mene chytrejsi nez >ty.... ne blbsi.... ale mene chytrejsi :)).... sory A blbsi a mene chytrejsi je to samy ne? To je preci stejny jako treba tmavsi a mene svetly, ne? Cl< From chalucha at centrum.cz Mon Jun 7 12:52:21 2004 From: chalucha at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9_Chaloupka?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 12:52:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <20040607092327.A7677@beton.cybernet.src> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <1615075830.20040607102011@volny.cz> <40C42D67.606@seznam.cz> <40C431C9.8010802@centrum.cz> <20040607092327.A7677@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >Je to z duvodu ze NE592 se prebudi signalem. > >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > >Da se misto C110 seriova kombinace odpor R a >kondenzator C takova, aby platilo >(R+32ohm))*C=270pF*32ohm >pricemz zesileni se snizi v pomeru 32/(R+32) > >Potrebujeme-li 2x mensi vzdalenost nez minimalni, zesileni musi byt 4x mensi >(je to umera s druhou mocninou). > >Cl< > > OK, takze to ze se to prebudi sem pochopil. Ale plati tenhle vztah at dam na RX jakoukoliv cocku (velikost)? Co kdybych tam opravdu proste zadnou cocku nedal a nechal ji jen u TX? Rad bych, aby to na tu vzdalenost jelo s dostatecnou rezervou, ale zas aby to opravdu jelo :) Ale pocitam s tim, ze to asi tedy dopadne tak, ze se to testne a bude se tam pridavat odpor dokud se to bude prebuzovat. Jak poznam ze to je prebuzene, krome toho ze to nepojede? Na RSSI budou naky velky hodnoty? A jeste by me taky zajimalo, kdyz se RX a TX testuje jen tak na stole, tak taky kdyz se daji prilis blizko tak to nefakci? Diky za odpovedi From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Jun 7 13:16:41 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Jun 7 13:16:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <1615075830.20040607102011@volny.cz> <40C42D67.606@seznam.cz> <40C431C9.8010802@centrum.cz> <20040607092327.A7677@beton.cybernet.src> <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <33203.194.228.223.178.1086610601.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> aby to opravdu jelo :) > Ale pocitam s tim, ze to asi tedy dopadne tak, ze se to testne a bude se > tam pridavat odpor dokud se to bude prebuzovat. > Jak poznam ze to je prebuzene, krome toho ze to nepojede? Na RSSI budou > naky velky hodnoty? > > A jeste by me taky zajimalo, kdyz se RX a TX testuje jen tak na stole, > tak taky kdyz se daji prilis blizko tak to nefakci? > Vy to berete moc teoreticky. Ja bych na Rx zadnou cocku nedaval (taky nebudete muset nic vytapet) Na tx jakoukoliv, ktera vam prijde pod ruku. Na ladeni zesileni bych se vybodl. Kdyz to bude prebuzene, tak to rozostrim Tx cockou a je vymalovano. Navic se Vam nestane, az pak budete mustet ten Rx se snizenym ziskem pouzit jinde tak se budete divit ze to nechodi. Garantuji Vam ze za 1/2 roku si nevzpomenete ze jste snizoval zisk a najit to bude lahudka :-) -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 7 13:20:12 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jun 7 13:20:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz>; from chalucha@centrum.cz on Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 01:52:21PM +0200 References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <1615075830.20040607102011@volny.cz> <40C42D67.606@seznam.cz> <40C431C9.8010802@centrum.cz> <20040607092327.A7677@beton.cybernet.src> <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040607122012.C9075@beton.cybernet.src> > > Ale plati tenhle vztah at dam na RX jakoukoliv cocku (velikost)? Ano. Minimalni vzdalenosti se mysli minimalni vzdalenost te linky, ktera je zavisla na pouzitych cockach. > Co kdybych tam opravdu proste zadnou cocku nedal a nechal ji jen u TX? Tak ten vztah bude platit taky. > > Rad bych, aby to na tu vzdalenost jelo s dostatecnou rezervou, ale zas > aby to opravdu jelo :) > Ale pocitam s tim, ze to asi tedy dopadne tak, ze se to testne a bude se > tam pridavat odpor dokud se to bude prebuzovat. > Jak poznam ze to je prebuzene, krome toho ze to nepojede? Na RSSI budou > naky velky hodnoty? Jo, kolem 4V asi tak. > A jeste by me taky zajimalo, kdyz se RX a TX testuje jen tak na stole, > tak taky kdyz se daji prilis blizko tak to nefakci? Ano. Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Jun 7 13:24:12 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Jun 7 13:22:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <1615075830.20040607102011@volny.cz> <40C42D67.606@seznam.cz> <40C431C9.8010802@centrum.cz> <20040607092327.A7677@beton.cybernet.src> <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <21684079.20040607142412@volny.cz> TC> A jeste by me taky zajimalo, kdyz se RX a TX testuje jen tak na stole, TC> tak taky kdyz se daji prilis blizko tak to nefakci? Ano - nefachci. Jinak souhlasim s tim, co radil Zapik. OndraT TC> Diky za odpovedi From jurki at inMail.sk Mon Jun 7 16:56:24 2004 From: jurki at inMail.sk (Juraj BREZINA) Date: Mon Jun 7 16:54:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pokec o Ronji Message-ID: <200406071756328.SM05892@inMail.sk> ODPOVEDAM NA=3A Message=3A 4 Date=3A Fri=2C 4 Jun 2004 22=3A37=3A= 26 +0000 From=3A Karel Kulhav=3F =3Cclock=40twibright=2Ecom=3E Su= bject=3A Re=3A =5BRonja=5D Twister - test To=3A Twibright Ronja =3C= ronja=40lists=2Epointless=2Enet=3E Message-ID=3A =3C20040604223726= =2EC13470=40beton=2Ecybernet=2Esrc=3E Content-Type=3A text=2Fplain= =3B charset=3Dus-ascii On Fri=2C Jun 04=2C 2004 at 11=3A20=3A53P= M +0200=2C Marcel Hecko wrote=3A =3E Cujte=2C nebolo by fajn sprav= it dva oddelene mailinglisty=3F =3E Jeden DEV a druhy USERS alebo = ASSEMBLY alebo nieco podobne=3F Zacina tu =3E byt riadny zmatok a= trva to relativne dlho kym clovek zaradi mail medzi =3E dolezite= alebo nedolezite=2E V DEV by sa mali naozaj predebatuvat len =3E= dolezite veci=2C navrhy a podobne a v USERS to=2C ze ako testovat=2C= preco to =3E nejde a ostatne veci=2E =3E Mne by to uzasne zjedn= oducilo pracu - keby bolo nieco v DEV tak to je =3E asi dolezite=2C= ked nieco v USERS tak to pocka kym ma clovek nejaky spare =3E ti= me=2E =3E =3E Clocku=3F Hm no nevim nektere projekty to tak m= aj =28geda-user a geda-dev=29 ale nevim podle ceho by se to melo r= ozlisovat=2E Na Ronje lidi vyvijet nechtej vsichni chtej jen uziva= t =28a ty co chtej vyvijet zpravidla tak cinej na vlastnim pisecku= a zpusobem do projektu nezaraditelnym=2C az na svetle vyjimky=2C = viz credits=29=2E Cl=3C ------------------------------ D= UFAM=2C ZE TATO SPRAVA BUDE USPESNE ZOBRAZENA=2C PRETOZE PISEM PRVY= KRAT NA MAILING LIST=2E=2E Myslim=2C ze Maco ma sqely napad=2E=2E= =2E A uplne apelujem na Clockov vyrok=2C ze =22Na Ronje lidi vyvije= t nechtej vsichni chtej jen uzivat =28a ty co chtej vyvijet zpravi= dla =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=22 Clock ja mam zaujem roju posunut svojim n= apadom a krocik dalej =28krok jednoduchosti=29 ale akosi ty si nezd= ielal somnou tento navrh =28viz nase maili=29=2E=2E Je pravda ze pr= ave tvojim pristupom =28nic proti tebe clock!!=29 som sa musel odda= t na pracu na vlastnom piesocku=2E Moj plan bol a stale je =28a pra= cuje sa zatial natom i ked bez teba clock to nebude ani tak jednodu= che a mozno nie kompatibilne s twisterom=29 spravit twister =28teda= skor nieco ako twister=2C pretoze twister uz existuje=29=2C proste= krabicku konvertujucu z RJ45 konektora na RX a TX ronja hlavice=2E= Moja finta spociva v napratani vsetkych IO Okrem 2 alebo max 3 do = jedneho programovatelneho pola =28xillinx=2C alebo Lattice=29=2Ecoz= by podstatne zjednodusilo pracu vsetkym stavebnikom ronje=2E=2E ne= bola by treba dvojstranna doska a spoj by sa dal vyrobit i doma fot= ocestou =28prip i nakreslit!=29=2E=2E=2E jedina nevyhoda je nutnost= naprogramovat data do toho pola - ale interface medzi PC je len je= den IO za 6Ska soft je free aj pod win a linux=2E Inak nic proti l= inux-u ale vela ludi ma prave win a neviem co vam ten win spravil k= ed vnom vidite nieco zrovnatelne zo smrtou=3F Koli licencii ci co=3F= A este jedna vec - Clock mas nieco proti mne ci mojmu napadu=2C p= ripadne Ti vadi=2C ze sa snazim spravit nieco jednoduchsie ako twis= ter a nezelas si to kludne to napis narovinu a uz sem viac nezavita= m=2E Ak toto cita niekto kto vie ako funguje twister =28presne!!=29= tak budem sa tesit kazdemu popisu=2E=2E Cest Ronji a vsetkym ve= la zdaru Jurki ---------- * www=2EinMail=2Esk - Vasa emailova adresa na cely = zivot ZDARMA * www=2ESlovakNET=2Esk - profesionalny webhosting=2C = domena =2ESK ZADARMO * Zoner Media Explorer 6 - stiahnite si pomoc= nika pre digitalnu fotografiu =28http=3A=2F=2Fwww=2Ezoner=2Esk=2Fzm= e6=29 From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Jun 7 17:14:58 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Jun 7 17:15:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pokec o Ronji In-Reply-To: <200406071756328.SM05892@inMail.sk> References: <200406071756328.SM05892@inMail.sk> Message-ID: <34315.192.168.1.143.1086624898.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> > > ------------------------------ > DUFAM, ZE TATO SPRAVA BUDE USPESNE ZOBRAZENA, PRETOZE PISEM PRVY KRAT NA > MAILING LIST.. > > Myslim, ze Maco ma sqely napad... A uplne apelujem na Clockov vyrok, ze > "Na Ronje lidi vyvijet nechtej vsichni chtej jen uzivat (a ty co chtej > vyvijet zpravidla ......" Clock ja mam zaujem roju posunut svojim > napadom a krocik dalej (krok jednoduchosti) ale akosi ty si nezdielal > somnou tento navrh (viz nase maili).. Je pravda ze prave tvojim > pristupom (nic proti tebe clock!!) som sa musel oddat na pracu na > vlastnom piesocku. Kazdy kdo Ronju stavi a uspesne postavi si ji castecne upravi sam, alespon po strance mechanicke. Proto si myslim ze trvat na presnych vykresech mechanicke casti neni nutne striktne trvat. > Moj plan bol a stale je (a pracuje sa zatial natom i > ked bez teba clock to nebude ani tak jednoduche a mozno nie kompatibilne > s twisterom) spravit twister (teda skor nieco ako twister, pretoze > twister uz existuje), proste krabicku konvertujucu z RJ45 konektora na > RX a TX ronja hlavice. Moja finta spociva v napratani vsetkych IO Okrem > 2 alebo max 3 do jedneho programovatelneho pola (xillinx, alebo > Lattice).coz by podstatne zjednodusilo pracu vsetkym stavebnikom ronje.. > nebola by treba dvojstranna doska a spoj by sa dal vyrobit i doma > fotocestou (prip i nakreslit!)... jedina nevyhoda je nutnost > naprogramovat data do toho pola - ale interface medzi PC je len jeden IO > za 6Ska soft je free aj pod win a linux. Inak nic proti linux-u ale vela > ludi ma prave win a neviem co vam ten win spravil ked vnom vidite nieco > zrovnatelne zo smrtou? Koli licencii ci co? Myslim ze to neni kvuli windows, jen se snazi dat vsem rovne sance at jiz pouzivaji jakykoliv system. Ja jsem nainstalovat, a naucit se,ten jeho PCB system taky nezvladl (moc jsem se nesnazil), ale tento system je mozno provozovat na jakemkoliv systemu a opravdu je mozno ho pouzit free, a za par let bude porad dostupny popis formatu. Rekneme ze by se pozil napr E*a*g*l*e. Je dostupny pro win, i linux, ale co *BSD a pod? A co za nekolik let kdyz nebude dostupna verze 4.11 v cem to pak otevrem? Tohle je ten duvod proc Clock chce pouzit ten PCB. > A este jedna vec - Clock mas > nieco proti mne ci mojmu napadu, pripadne Ti vadi, ze sa snazim spravit > nieco jednoduchsie ako twister a nezelas si to kludne to napis narovinu > a uz sem viac nezavitam. Myslim ze obvinujes Clocka zbytecne, je spravne konzervativni manager projektu. > Ak toto cita niekto kto vie ako funguje twister > (presne!!) tak budem sa tesit kazdemu popisu.. Pokud jsi chapal AUI, pak chapes i twistra, jen analogove monostabily jsou nahrazeny digitalnimi citaci. kdybych to konstruoval ja, tak to udelam jinak, vykaslu se na tu silenou logiku (15vstupy NAND jsem vzivote nikde nepotreboval) a alespon generovani LIP, a citace bych schoval do procesoru. Programovatelne pole neumim, takze pro me tudy cesta nevede. Ale je fakt ze kdyz se to posklada z elementarnich soucastek tak za 5 let s tim nikdo nebude mit problemy, na rozdil kdyz by se pouzil procesor. (Kdo dnes sezene 8048 apod) Pokud se chces do toho pustit, jen do toho, vyvoj se da drzet paralelne a clock pokud bude chtit implementovat AUTONEGOATION tak se stejne procesoru nebo pld nevyhne. Pokud budes chtit opravdu do vyvoje jit, pak ti urcite clock poskytne podporu, protoze to bude prinos i pro nej resp. pro Ronju. Tot muj nazor S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 7 17:51:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 17:51:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pokec o Ronji In-Reply-To: <200406071756328.SM05892@inMail.sk>; from jurki@inMail.sk on Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 05:56:24PM +0200 References: <200406071756328.SM05892@inMail.sk> Message-ID: <20040607165132.C10008@beton.cybernet.src> > Myslim, ze Maco ma sqely napad... A uplne apelujem na Clockov vyrok, ze "Na > Ronje lidi vyvijet nechtej vsichni chtej jen uzivat (a ty co chtej vyvijet > zpravidla ......" Clock ja mam zaujem roju posunut svojim napadom a krocik > dalej (krok jednoduchosti) ale akosi ty si nezdielal somnou tento navrh (viz > nase maili).. Je pravda ze prave tvojim pristupom (nic proti tebe clock!!) > som sa musel oddat na pracu na vlastnom piesocku. Moj plan bol a stale je (a > pracuje sa zatial natom i ked bez teba clock to nebude ani tak jednoduche a > mozno nie kompatibilne s twisterom) spravit twister (teda skor nieco ako > twister, pretoze twister uz existuje), proste krabicku konvertujucu z RJ45 > konektora na RX a TX ronja hlavice. Moja finta spociva v napratani vsetkych > IO Okrem 2 alebo max 3 do jedneho programovatelneho pola (xillinx, alebo > Lattice).coz by podstatne zjednodusilo pracu vsetkym stavebnikom ronje.. > nebola by treba dvojstranna doska a spoj by sa dal vyrobit i doma fotocestou > (prip i nakreslit!)... jedina nevyhoda je nutnost naprogramovat data do toho > pola - ale interface medzi PC je len jeden IO za 6Ska soft je free aj pod win > a linux. Inak nic proti linux-u ale vela ludi ma prave win a neviem co vam Kterej soft myslis kdyz rikas ze je free i pod linux? > ten win spravil ked vnom vidite nieco zrovnatelne zo smrtou? Koli licencii ci > co? A este jedna vec - Clock mas nieco proti mne ci mojmu napadu, pripadne > Ti vadi, ze sa snazim spravit nieco jednoduchsie ako twister a nezelas si to > kludne to napis narovinu a uz sem viac nezavitam. Ak toto cita niekto kto > vie ako funguje twister (presne!!) tak budem sa tesit kazdemu popisu.. Proti tobe nic nemam. Co se tyce tech hradlovych poli tak kdyz se to udela tak, ze ani naprogramovani pole, ani zmena zdrojovych kodu ani kompilace zdrojoveho kodu toho pole nebude vazana na zadny proprietarni software, tak proti tomu taky nic nemam. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 7 17:58:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 17:58:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pokec o Ronji In-Reply-To: <34315.192.168.1.143.1086624898.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz>; from zapadlo@melzer.cz on Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 06:14:58PM +0200 References: <200406071756328.SM05892@inMail.sk> <34315.192.168.1.143.1086624898.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040607165857.D10008@beton.cybernet.src> > Myslim ze to neni kvuli windows, jen se snazi dat vsem rovne sance at jiz > pouzivaji jakykoliv system. > > Ja jsem nainstalovat, a naucit se,ten jeho PCB system taky nezvladl (moc > jsem se nesnazil), ale tento system je mozno provozovat na jakemkoliv > systemu a opravdu je mozno ho pouzit free, a za par let bude porad > dostupny popis formatu. Jestli jsi mel nejaky problem typu ze jsi napr. postupoval podle navodu na instalaci PCB pod Windows a nejaky krok selhal, a nebo napr. navod pro instalaci PCB pod Windows neni dostatecne podrobny aby bylo jasne, jak mas postupovat, tak by bylo idealni, kdybys popsal problem autorum PCB, aby mohli tento nedostatek opravit. PCB se primarne vyviji tusim na Linuxu takze samotni vyvojari asi nemaji moc prostredku to otestovat na Windows. Proto je potreba zpetna vazba od uzivatelu. Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Jun 7 18:19:32 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Jun 7 18:19:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pokec o Ronji In-Reply-To: <20040607165857.D10008@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200406071756328.SM05892@inMail.sk> <34315.192.168.1.143.1086624898.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> <20040607165857.D10008@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406071919.33893.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > Jestli jsi mel nejaky problem typu ze jsi napr. postupoval podle navodu > na instalaci PCB pod Windows a nejaky krok selhal, a nebo napr. navod pro > instalaci PCB pod Windows neni dostatecne podrobny aby bylo jasne, jak mas Tak zde me problem opravdu netrapi :-) Ja to jedu pod Linuxem, udelal jsem par kroku z instalace, ale pak jsem se na to z nedostatku casu vykaslal :-) Takze chyba neni v sw, ale klasicky mezi klavesnici a zidli S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From kpr at seznam.cz Mon Jun 7 18:20:23 2004 From: kpr at seznam.cz (KPR) Date: Mon Jun 7 18:20:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Schema twister References: <200406071756328.SM05892@inMail.sk><34315.192.168.1.143.1086624898.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> <20040607165857.D10008@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001301c44cb3$b85d5d80$2380a8c0@net> Kde sezenu schema twisteru? na strankach sice je,ale jaxi se mi nedari invertovat barvy,ze se pulka vseho ztrati. (PS. bile znacky na cernem pozadi nejsou zrovna vyhodne pro tisk) KPR From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 7 18:27:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 18:27:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Schema twister In-Reply-To: <001301c44cb3$b85d5d80$2380a8c0@net>; from kpr@seznam.cz on Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 07:20:23PM +0200 References: <200406071756328.SM05892@inMail.sk><34315.192.168.1.143.1086624898.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> <20040607165857.D10008@beton.cybernet.src> <001301c44cb3$b85d5d80$2380a8c0@net> Message-ID: <20040607172736.A10190@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 07:20:23PM +0200, KPR wrote: > Kde sezenu schema twisteru? na strankach sice je,ale jaxi se mi nedari > invertovat barvy,ze se pulka vseho ztrati. > (PS. bile znacky na cernem pozadi nejsou zrovna vyhodne pro tisk) Je tam postscript. Ten pro tisk vhodny je. Cl< > > KPR > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From honza.havlicek at seznam.cz Mon Jun 7 19:08:06 2004 From: honza.havlicek at seznam.cz (Kero) Date: Mon Jun 7 19:10:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Schema twister In-Reply-To: <001301c44cb3$b85d5d80$2380a8c0@net> References: <200406071756328.SM05892@inMail.sk><34315.192.168.1.143.1086624898.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> <20040607165857.D10008@beton.cybernet.src> <001301c44cb3$b85d5d80$2380a8c0@net> Message-ID: <40C4AF06.1010508@seznam.cz> Pod kazdym cerno bilym schematem je odkaz a neco takoveho jako A4 print: .ps.gz, .ps, .eps / small print: .ps.gz, .ps / gschem schematic / component list: English, ?esk? Mejte se lepe, nez ja, Kero KPR napsal(a): > Kde sezenu schema twisteru? na strankach sice je,ale jaxi se mi nedari > invertovat barvy,ze se pulka vseho ztrati. > (PS. bile znacky na cernem pozadi nejsou zrovna vyhodne pro tisk) > > KPR From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Jun 7 20:56:55 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 20:57:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek Message-ID: <20040607195701Z1302080-14804+96886@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:29:29 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek > > On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 12:05:20PM +0200, Vojtech Cizinsk? wrote: > > :))) > > > > > > >Message: 2 > > >Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 13:35:36 +0200 > > >From: "Jakub Michn?k" > > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vytapeni cocek > > >To: > > >Message-ID: <20040606113539Z1301439-14803+60259@mail.centrum.cz> > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 > > > > >ne, prd, jak to ctu po sobe tak to zni blbe. chtel sem rict ze ten predseda > > byl mene chytrejsi nez >ty.... ne blbsi.... ale mene chytrejsi :)).... sory > > A blbsi a mene chytrejsi je to samy ne? To je preci stejny jako treba tmavsi a > mene svetly, ne? > > Cl< no jo, jasne, ale ja jenom aby to nezelo tak ze on je blby a spofesor este BLBSI. proto on (uz nevim kdo, proste zak) je chytry, ale profesou mene chytrejsi :) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From karel.obadal at ido.cz Tue Jun 8 12:08:10 2004 From: karel.obadal at ido.cz (Karel Obadal) Date: Tue Jun 8 12:08:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v datech pro twister PCB Message-ID: <40C59E1A.3030104@ido.cz> Zadal jsem vyrobu PCB pro twister firme, u ktere bezne delame tistene spoje a clovek co pripravuje filmy mi napsal tohle : > V??en? pane, dodan? gerber data nesouhlas? s kontroln?mi postscripty, > chyb? zejm?na rozlit? me(d(. Pros?m dodejte korektn? data. Nekde jsem cetl, ale uz si tim nejsem jist a ted jsem to nenasel, ze postscript je jen kontrolni a gerber data jsou smerodatna pro vyrobu. Jak to tedy je? -- Karel Obadal MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. Skolni 1729/IV 755 01 Vsetin Tel: 571 414 245 GSM: 608 720 533 Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. From chalucha at centrum.cz Tue Jun 8 12:53:56 2004 From: chalucha at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9_Chaloupka?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 12:53:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <21684079.20040607142412@volny.cz> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <1615075830.20040607102011@volny.cz> <40C42D67.606@seznam.cz> <40C431C9.8010802@centrum.cz> <20040607092327.A7677@beton.cybernet.src> <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz> <21684079.20040607142412@volny.cz> Message-ID: <40C5A8D4.2000906@centrum.cz> Sory ze s tim jeste votravuju, ale mam jeste jeden dotazek. Vzhledem k tomu, ze chceme ty kratky mit v infra a zaroven v tech sedejch odpadnich rourach, tak podle toho co sem se tu docetl sou ty sede pomerne hodne nevhodne jelikoz to propousti. Existuje nakej vnitrni nater, ktery by tomu zabranil? Kdyz to bude bez jakyhokoliv nateru a ochrany, nebudou se ty roury vzajemne ovlivnovat kdyz budou umistene blizko sebe? Co by jste doporucili dovnitr soupnout aby s tim nebyly problemy? Nebo je to jen zbytecna starost a na tech par metru to pojede i tak? From hollari1 at gmx.at Tue Jun 8 13:19:52 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Tue Jun 8 13:19:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Any news with Twister ? References: <20040608110016.29375gmx1@mx033.gmx.net> Message-ID: <19721.1086697192@www15.gmx.net> Hi All ! Are there any news/changes or simmilar that are relevant for building ronja twister ? I have recieved some boards and i am going to build one in a few days. I dont understand cech, so it would be nice, if someone could translate importent posts in this mailing list to english. Best Regards, Sigi -- +++ Jetzt WLAN-Router für alle DSL-Einsteiger und Wechsler +++ GMX DSL-Powertarife zudem 3 Monate gratis* http://www.gmx.net/dsl From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 8 13:48:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 13:48:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v datech pro twister PCB In-Reply-To: <40C59E1A.3030104@ido.cz>; from karel.obadal@ido.cz on Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:08:10PM +0200 References: <40C59E1A.3030104@ido.cz> Message-ID: <20040608124834.A580@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:08:10PM +0200, Karel Obadal wrote: > Zadal jsem vyrobu PCB pro twister firme, u ktere bezne delame tistene > spoje a clovek co pripravuje filmy mi napsal tohle : > > > V??en? pane, dodan? gerber data nesouhlas? s kontroln?mi postscripty, > > chyb? zejm?na rozlit? me(d(. Pros?m dodejte korektn? data. > > Nekde jsem cetl, ale uz si tim nejsem jist a ted jsem to nenasel, ze > postscript je jen kontrolni a gerber data jsou smerodatna pro vyrobu. Ted jsem postscript i gerber zkontroloval a souhlasi mi. postscript jsem prohlizel programem gv http://wino.physik.uni-mainz.de/~plass/gv/ a stejne vypada i kdyz se necha vytisknout na laserovce od HP. Gerber RS274X jsem prohlizel prohlizecem gerbv http://gerbv.sourceforge.net/ Data byla jiz uspesne pouzita i pri vyrobe desek, z nichz nektere jiz funguji, takze jsou dle meho nazoru v poradku. Cl< > > Jak to tedy je? > > > -- > Karel Obadal > > MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. > Skolni 1729/IV > 755 01 Vsetin > > Tel: 571 414 245 > GSM: 608 720 533 > > Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z > principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby > operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Jun 8 16:51:27 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Jun 8 16:50:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <40C5A8D4.2000906@centrum.cz> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <1615075830.20040607102011@volny.cz> <40C42D67.606@seznam.cz> <40C431C9.8010802@centrum.cz> <20040607092327.A7677@beton.cybernet.src> <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz> <21684079.20040607142412@volny.cz> <40C5A8D4.2000906@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1606393153.20040608175127@volny.cz> TC> Vzhledem k tomu, ze chceme ty kratky mit v infra a zaroven v tech TC> sedejch odpadnich rourach, tak podle toho co sem se tu docetl sou ty TC> sede pomerne hodne nevhodne jelikoz to propousti. I kdyby propoustely (jako ze tomu neverim) tak cemu by to vadilo? A hlavne na 15m... Ja bych to nedramatizoval... TC> Existuje nakej vnitrni nater, ktery by tomu zabranil? Ja je mam vevnitr vycernene lakem na plast z OBI. TC> Kdyz to bude bez jakyhokoliv nateru a ochrany, nebudou se ty roury TC> vzajemne ovlivnovat kdyz budou umistene blizko sebe? Predpokladam ze rozhodne ne. Do ted jsem se s tim nesetkal. TC> Co by jste doporucili dovnitr soupnout aby s tim nebyly problemy? Myslim ze toto je ta barva: http://www.vidia-design.cz/obinoviny/?page=detail&action=zobraz&id_obor=3&id_kategorie=11&id_vyrobek=110 musi na ni byt napsano ze je na plast. Zatim to vypada ze drzi. TC> Nebo je to jen zbytecna starost a na tech par metru to pojede i tak? Ano. OndraT From xnovot21 at node.mendelu.cz Tue Jun 8 17:15:15 2004 From: xnovot21 at node.mendelu.cz (Ales Novotny) Date: Tue Jun 8 17:15:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] informace Message-ID: <20040608161515.4936.qmail@is.mendelu.cz> Ahoj lidi?ky, mohli byste m? pros?m poradit jestli se d? d?t vys?la? a p?ij?ma? na plo???k stejn? jako Ronja Twister, na jakou vzd?lenost se to d? p??padn? pou??t (pot?eboval bych asi 900m) a kde bych mohl naj?t ty v?kresy s t?ma plo???kama. P?edem d?k moc za informace… From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 8 18:13:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 18:13:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] informace In-Reply-To: <20040608161515.4936.qmail@is.mendelu.cz>; from xnovot21@node.mendelu.cz on Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 04:15:15PM +0000 References: <20040608161515.4936.qmail@is.mendelu.cz> Message-ID: <20040608171322.A2168@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 04:15:15PM +0000, Ales Novotny wrote: > Ahoj lidi?ky, mohli byste m? pros?m poradit jestli se d? d?t vys?la? a > p?ij?ma? na plo???k stejn? jako Ronja Twister, na jakou vzd?lenost se > to d? p??padn? pou??t (pot?eboval bych asi 900m) a kde bych mohl naj?t > ty v?kresy s t?ma plo???kama. P?edem d?k moc za informace… Projekt Ronja prijimac ani vysilac na plosnaku nema, nicmene se to planuje. Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Jun 8 18:14:25 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 18:15:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) Message-ID: <20040608171428Z1304842-14808+124439@mail.centrum.cz> ja bych tam dal trubku olovenou. pres to neprojde temer nic co ja vim :).... sice ti to asi zrobi duru do strechy... neuneses to,... ale za to ti to nepropusti dalkove ovladani od TV od sousedu :)..... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Tom?? Chaloupka > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:53:56 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) > > Sory ze s tim jeste votravuju, ale mam jeste jeden dotazek. > Vzhledem k tomu, ze chceme ty kratky mit v infra a zaroven v tech > sedejch odpadnich rourach, tak podle toho co sem se tu docetl sou ty > sede pomerne hodne nevhodne jelikoz to propousti. > > Existuje nakej vnitrni nater, ktery by tomu zabranil? > Kdyz to bude bez jakyhokoliv nateru a ochrany, nebudou se ty roury > vzajemne ovlivnovat kdyz budou umistene blizko sebe? > Co by jste doporucili dovnitr soupnout aby s tim nebyly problemy? > > Nebo je to jen zbytecna starost a na tech par metru to pojede i tak? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Jun 8 18:18:13 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 18:19:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky Message-ID: <20040608171815Z1303935-14803+124013@mail.centrum.cz> kdyz sem dneska vesel do spajzky a uvidel tam balicek slanych tycinek dostal sem ohromny napad. vsichni urcite vime ze kdyz ty tycinky sou nakou dobu nekde polozene otevrene, pak navlhnou a uz sou nekrupave. co takhle je pouzit misto silikagelu? jako ze by tu vlhkost nasaly ony..... hm? :)... ......... nebo piskoty by mozna taky nebyly marne..... :) From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Jun 8 18:23:46 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue Jun 8 18:26:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky In-Reply-To: <20040608171815Z1303935-14803+124013@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040608171815Z1303935-14803+124013@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200406081923.47185.kubajz@kbx.cz> Hehe a nevsiml sis, ze kdyz ty tycinky trochu vic nasajou tak je z nich takovy blaticko? Uprimne si myslim, ze by se za chvili problatickovali do uplne vseho. Jo a taky nezapomen, ze je ne nich sul. ta kdyz se smisi s vodou, tak se dostane do vzduchu a pak vesele krystaluje. Uz vidim, jak cistis elektroniku od krystalku soli... Kubajz Dne ?t 8. ?ervna 2004 19:18 Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > kdyz sem dneska vesel do spajzky a uvidel tam balicek slanych tycinek > dostal sem ohromny napad. vsichni urcite vime ze kdyz ty tycinky sou nakou > dobu nekde polozene otevrene, pak navlhnou a uz sou nekrupave. co takhle je > pouzit misto silikagelu? jako ze by tu vlhkost nasaly ony..... hm? :)... > ......... nebo piskoty by mozna taky nebyly marne..... :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Jun 8 18:24:33 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue Jun 8 18:27:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <20040608171428Z1304842-14808+124439@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040608171428Z1304842-14808+124439@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200406081924.33394.kubajz@kbx.cz> To nepropusti ani balistickou strelu od duchodce, kterej to bude chtit sestrlit... :] Dne ?t 8. ?ervna 2004 19:14 Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > ja bych tam dal trubku olovenou. pres to neprojde temer nic co ja vim > :).... sice ti to asi zrobi duru do strechy... neuneses to,... ale za to ti > to nepropusti dalkove ovladani od TV od sousedu :)..... > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: Tom?? Chaloupka > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > CC: > > Datum: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:53:56 +0200 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) > > > > Sory ze s tim jeste votravuju, ale mam jeste jeden dotazek. > > Vzhledem k tomu, ze chceme ty kratky mit v infra a zaroven v tech > > sedejch odpadnich rourach, tak podle toho co sem se tu docetl sou ty > > sede pomerne hodne nevhodne jelikoz to propousti. > > > > Existuje nakej vnitrni nater, ktery by tomu zabranil? > > Kdyz to bude bez jakyhokoliv nateru a ochrany, nebudou se ty roury > > vzajemne ovlivnovat kdyz budou umistene blizko sebe? > > Co by jste doporucili dovnitr soupnout aby s tim nebyly problemy? > > > > Nebo je to jen zbytecna starost a na tech par metru to pojede i tak? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Jun 8 18:34:47 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 18:35:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky Message-ID: <20040608173505Z1305151-14805+124865@mail.centrum.cz> ts... v pohode.... kartackem na zuby a fluorou ;) ..... no a co treba tycinky syrove? :)....... blaticko si pletes s tim kdyz si byl male deco, nacpal sis jich cely pytli do pusy a pak l?ehce zapil malinou ;) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Jakub Sykora > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:23:46 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky > > Hehe a nevsiml sis, ze kdyz ty tycinky trochu vic nasajou tak je z nich takovy > blaticko? Uprimne si myslim, ze by se za chvili problatickovali do uplne > vseho. Jo a taky nezapomen, ze je ne nich sul. ta kdyz se smisi s vodou, tak > se dostane do vzduchu a pak vesele krystaluje. Uz vidim, jak cistis > elektroniku od krystalku soli... > > Kubajz > > Dne ?t 8. ?ervna 2004 19:18 Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > > kdyz sem dneska vesel do spajzky a uvidel tam balicek slanych tycinek > > dostal sem ohromny napad. vsichni urcite vime ze kdyz ty tycinky sou nakou > > dobu nekde polozene otevrene, pak navlhnou a uz sou nekrupave. co takhle je > > pouzit misto silikagelu? jako ze by tu vlhkost nasaly ony..... hm? :)... > > ......... nebo piskoty by mozna taky nebyly marne..... :) > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 8 18:37:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 18:37:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky In-Reply-To: <20040608171815Z1303935-14803+124013@mail.centrum.cz>; from jjaakkuubb@centrum.cz on Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 07:18:13PM +0200 References: <20040608171815Z1303935-14803+124013@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040608173733.A2340@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 07:18:13PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > kdyz sem dneska vesel do spajzky a uvidel tam balicek slanych tycinek dostal > sem ohromny napad. vsichni urcite vime ze kdyz ty tycinky sou nakou dobu > nekde polozene otevrene, pak navlhnou a uz sou nekrupave. co takhle je pouzit > misto silikagelu? jako ze by tu vlhkost nasaly ony..... hm? :)... ......... > nebo piskoty by mozna taky nebyly marne..... :) To spis sadru. Ale nevim jaka teplota je potreba na regeneraci (asi hodne vysoka protoze se jedna o chemickou vazbu). Cl< From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Jun 8 18:36:59 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue Jun 8 18:39:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky In-Reply-To: <20040608173733.A2340@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040608171815Z1303935-14803+124013@mail.centrum.cz> <20040608173733.A2340@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406081936.59946.kubajz@kbx.cz> Tak to uz bychom rovnou v pojitkach mohli hasit vapno :] Kubajz Dne ?t 8. ?ervna 2004 19:37 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 07:18:13PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > kdyz sem dneska vesel do spajzky a uvidel tam balicek slanych tycinek > > dostal sem ohromny napad. vsichni urcite vime ze kdyz ty tycinky sou > > nakou dobu nekde polozene otevrene, pak navlhnou a uz sou nekrupave. co > > takhle je pouzit misto silikagelu? jako ze by tu vlhkost nasaly ony..... > > hm? :)... ......... nebo piskoty by mozna taky nebyly marne..... :) > > To spis sadru. Ale nevim jaka teplota je potreba na regeneraci (asi hodne > vysoka protoze se jedna o chemickou vazbu). > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Jun 8 18:40:27 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue Jun 8 18:43:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky In-Reply-To: <20040608171815Z1303935-14803+124013@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040608171815Z1303935-14803+124013@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200406081940.27292.kubajz@kbx.cz> Ted trochu vazneji. Vzpominam si, jak jsme pri hodinach chemie vysouseli koncentrovanou kyselinou sirovou. Ta by nebyla vubec spatna, ale problem je, jak ji umistit do tubusu, aby nevytekla z te sklenene krystalizacni misticky. Takze asi zustaneme u cinsko-vietnamskeho silikagelu. K Dne ?t 8. ?ervna 2004 19:18 Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > kdyz sem dneska vesel do spajzky a uvidel tam balicek slanych tycinek > dostal sem ohromny napad. vsichni urcite vime ze kdyz ty tycinky sou nakou > dobu nekde polozene otevrene, pak navlhnou a uz sou nekrupave. co takhle je > pouzit misto silikagelu? jako ze by tu vlhkost nasaly ony..... hm? :)... > ......... nebo piskoty by mozna taky nebyly marne..... :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From bratrk at centrum.cz Tue Jun 8 19:25:00 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Tue Jun 8 19:25:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky References: <20040608171815Z1303935-14803+124013@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c44d85$e946b1d0$020a210a@marekbk> Kdo chce Silikagel tak at se mi ozve, balicky 40g jeden. cena: Za odvoz. Mnozstvi temer neomezene. Soucasna zasoba cca 12 kg. bk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: <2375@node.mendelu.cz>; Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky > kdyz sem dneska vesel do spajzky a uvidel tam balicek slanych tycinek dostal sem ohromny napad. vsichni urcite vime ze kdyz ty tycinky sou nakou dobu nekde polozene otevrene, pak navlhnou a uz sou nekrupave. co takhle je pouzit misto silikagelu? jako ze by tu vlhkost nasaly ony..... hm? :)... ......... nebo piskoty by mozna taky nebyly marne..... :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Jun 8 19:56:45 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue Jun 8 19:59:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky In-Reply-To: <000f01c44d85$e946b1d0$020a210a@marekbk> References: <20040608171815Z1303935-14803+124013@mail.centrum.cz> <000f01c44d85$e946b1d0$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <200406082056.45767.kubajz@kbx.cz> Dej nejakou kontaktni adresu nebo se mi ozvi do mailu. Zastavil bych se tak pro par pytlicku... Dik, K Dne ?t 8. ?ervna 2004 20:25 bratrk napsal(a): > Kdo chce Silikagel tak at se mi ozve, balicky 40g jeden. > > cena: Za odvoz. > > Mnozstvi temer neomezene. Soucasna zasoba cca 12 kg. > > bk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > To: <2375@node.mendelu.cz>; > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:18 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky > > > kdyz sem dneska vesel do spajzky a uvidel tam balicek slanych tycinek > > dostal sem ohromny napad. vsichni urcite vime ze kdyz ty tycinky sou nakou > dobu nekde polozene otevrene, pak navlhnou a uz sou nekrupave. co takhle je > pouzit misto silikagelu? jako ze by tu vlhkost nasaly ony..... hm? :)... > ......... nebo piskoty by mozna taky nebyly marne..... :) > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 8 20:10:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 20:10:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Silikagel & slane tycinky In-Reply-To: <000f01c44d85$e946b1d0$020a210a@marekbk>; from bratrk@centrum.cz on Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:25:00PM +0200 References: <20040608171815Z1303935-14803+124013@mail.centrum.cz> <000f01c44d85$e946b1d0$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <20040608191035.B3356@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:25:00PM +0200, bratrk wrote: > Kdo chce Silikagel tak at se mi ozve, balicky 40g jeden. > > cena: Za odvoz. > > Mnozstvi temer neomezene. Soucasna zasoba cca 12 kg. Muzes to napsat na Wikinu pls do sekce getting ronja hardware? Pokud to nebudete psat na wikinu tak to budu delat asi tak, ze kdyz se me nekdo zepta co kde sehnat, tak mu to reknu jenom pod podminkou, ze napise pro ostatni na wikinu, kde sehnal veci, ktere uz ma :) Cl< > > bk From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 8 20:13:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 20:13:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Wikina Message-ID: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> Hehe mam nejaky stary informace :) Ted koukam na wikinu a ono tam je uz kde sehnat cocky, silicagel a elektroniku :) Omlouvam se. Cl< From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Jun 8 20:24:02 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue Jun 8 20:26:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Wikina In-Reply-To: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406082124.02743.kubajz@kbx.cz> Koukam, ze ted je system prozmenu prehlcenej :) Ale je to dobre, zrovna jsem tam chtel pripsat GES atp a uz to nekdo udelal za me... Kubajz Dne ?t 8. ?ervna 2004 21:13 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Hehe mam nejaky stary informace :) > > Ted koukam na wikinu a ono tam je uz kde sehnat cocky, silicagel > a elektroniku :) > > Omlouvam se. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From steebe at seznam.cz Tue Jun 8 22:24:47 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Tue Jun 8 22:25:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Wikina References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <200406082124.02743.kubajz@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <009d01c44d9f$1617e4e0$0581000a@steebe> Lupy rakosky :-) http://www.webpark.cz/yagi/cocka.jpg .. v Koline 100 mm za 15 korun .. po dohode mozno poslat s drzatkem i bez :-) Jsou celkem cire a je jich dost .... tak to tam taky pridejte .. PS: maj celkem daleko ohnisko .. mel sem jedny a ty meli tak 25 cm by voko a tyhle maj skoroo 5 cm dal . Cim dal ohnisko tim lepsi ne ? ... Steebe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Sykora" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Wikina Koukam, ze ted je system prozmenu prehlcenej :) Ale je to dobre, zrovna jsem tam chtel pripsat GES atp a uz to nekdo udelal za me... Kubajz Dne ?t 8. ?ervna 2004 21:13 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Hehe mam nejaky stary informace :) > > Ted koukam na wikinu a ono tam je uz kde sehnat cocky, silicagel > a elektroniku :) > > Omlouvam se. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From honza.havlicek at seznam.cz Tue Jun 8 20:19:45 2004 From: honza.havlicek at seznam.cz (Kero) Date: Tue Jun 8 23:48:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Wikina In-Reply-To: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40C61151.8080009@seznam.cz> Prosim davejte veci jako mam 12 kg silikagelu, cocky koupite v prazske trznici, elektronika se da koupit tady a tady do http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware Nemusite se registrovat(je tam guest login(TWikiGuest) i password(guest)), nic, jenom to tam dejte. Hodi se to, ackoliv si to mozna nemyslite. Ta sekce tam od toho je. Tomuhle se budete smat nebo posklebovat, ale napr ja jsem nesehnal srouby M4x35. V tech trech zelezarstvich co jsem se ptal meli jenom 30 a 40, takze v nejhorsim potom vezmu pilku a ty 40 zkratim. Nebo kde koupit ty L profily? Vim, ze by to mohla udelat firma www.kondor.cz, ale buhvi. Pravda je, ze jsem je az zas tak neshanel, ale bude to nejakou chvili trvat. Je to tam od toho, abych tu spoustu obchodu nemusel naslepo obchazet ale vedet, tady uz to jednou meli, mohli by to mit znova. Mejte se lepe nez ja, Kero Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Hehe mam nejaky stary informace :) > > Ted koukam na wikinu a ono tam je uz kde sehnat cocky, silicagel > a elektroniku :) > > Omlouvam se. > > Cl< From honza.havlicek at seznam.cz Tue Jun 8 19:57:31 2004 From: honza.havlicek at seznam.cz (Kero) Date: Tue Jun 8 23:50:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWiki Message-ID: <40C60C1B.5050505@seznam.cz> Prosim davejte veci jako mam 12 kg silikagelu, cocky koupite v prazske trznici, elektronika se da koupit tady a tady do http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware Nemusite se registrovat(je tam guest login(TWikiGuest) i password(guest)), nic, jenom to tam dejte. Hodi se to, ackoliv si to mozna nemyslite. Ta sekce tam od toho je. Tomuhle se budete smat nebo posklebovat, ale napr ja jsem nesehnal srouby M4x35. V tech trech zelezarstvich co jsem se ptal meli jenom 30 a 40, takze v nejhorsim potom vezmu pilku a ty 40 zkratim. Nebo kde koupit ty L profily? Vim, ze by to mohla udelat firma www.kondor.cz, ale buhvi. Pravda je, ze jsem je az zas tak neshanel, ale bude to nejakou chvili trvat. Je to tam od toho, abych tu spoustu obchodu nemusel naslepo obchazet ale vedet, tady uz to jednou meli, mohli by to mit znova. Mejte se lepe nez ja, Kero From kero at matfyz.cz Wed Jun 9 00:22:43 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Wed Jun 9 00:31:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Wikina In-Reply-To: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40C64A43.9010208@matfyz.cz> Muj prispevek konecne dorazil, po 5 hodinach ^__^. Napsal jsem to puvodne o 20 minut driv nez clock, nedorazilo to takze jsem ho poslal po druhe. Ale je bezva, ze se ta wikina naplnila, snad ubude dotazu, kde sehnat vec XYZ. Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Hehe mam nejaky stary informace :) > > Ted koukam na wikinu a ono tam je uz kde sehnat cocky, silicagel > a elektroniku :) > > Omlouvam se. > > Cl< From hristo at videomaxavs.com Wed Jun 9 07:31:52 2004 From: hristo at videomaxavs.com (Hristo Nazarov) Date: Wed Jun 9 07:31:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km Message-ID: <00a501c44deb$73e8b3a0$4c00a8c0@satpc> Hi, Great Job! I am new to this and i plan to build Ronja at 1.6 km. So i have a question. What does dualhead mean? It means that you have two lenses in housing of the transmitter and the receiver? If so where is the schema for dualhead? I want to put two lenses in each housing 2 for transmitter and two for receiver. Do you have any experience with such distance? Seccond question are both twisters (Ronja AUI Forte and Ronja Twister) working stable. Which one should I chose? Any other recommendations? Thank you in advance -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040609/52d9a8f1/attachment-0001.htm From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 9 07:41:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 9 07:41:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km In-Reply-To: <00a501c44deb$73e8b3a0$4c00a8c0@satpc>; from hristo@videomaxavs.com on Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:31:52AM +0300 References: <00a501c44deb$73e8b3a0$4c00a8c0@satpc> Message-ID: <20040609064107.A4932@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:31:52AM +0300, Hristo Nazarov wrote: > Hi, > > Great Job! I am new to this and i plan to build Ronja at 1.6 km. > > So i have a question. What does dualhead mean? It means that you have two > lenses in housing of the transmitter and the receiver? If so where is the It means you have two transmitter heads and one receiver head. > schema for dualhead? I want to put two lenses in each housing 2 for > transmitter and two for receiver. Do you have any experience with such > distance? Seccond question are both twisters (Ronja AUI Forte and Ronja > Twister) working stable. Which one should I chose? Any other recommendations? Both of them are stable. Choose the one you like more. Cl< From hristo at videomaxavs.com Wed Jun 9 07:56:58 2004 From: hristo at videomaxavs.com (Hristo Nazarov) Date: Wed Jun 9 07:56:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km References: <00a501c44deb$73e8b3a0$4c00a8c0@satpc> <20040609064107.A4932@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00b401c44dee$f57e0b10$4c00a8c0@satpc> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km Hi, > It means you have two transmitter heads and one receiver head. I do not get it. Let start from the beginning. To make a link from Point A to point B you should have at point A One transmitter and one receiver + twister. same should be at point B right?. If i understand you right at both Point A and Point B i should have TWO transmitters focused at far end receiver and one receiver +twister so that let say i can "double" the output power. If so how should i synchronize the two transmitters? just plug two coax transmitters at the twister at the same place instead of one cable if i have one transmitter?. If I choose to use Ronja Twister - RJ45, is there any limitation of UTP Length? I read that it should be one meter long? Can it be 20 Meters in order to avoid putting switch at the roof? > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:31:52AM +0300, Hristo Nazarov wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Great Job! I am new to this and i plan to build Ronja at 1.6 km. > > > > So i have a question. What does dualhead mean? It means that you have two > > lenses in housing of the transmitter and the receiver? If so where is the > > It means you have two transmitter heads and one receiver head. > > > schema for dualhead? I want to put two lenses in each housing 2 for > > transmitter and two for receiver. Do you have any experience with such > > distance? Seccond question are both twisters (Ronja AUI Forte and Ronja > > Twister) working stable. Which one should I chose? Any other recommendations? > > Both of them are stable. Choose the one you like more. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 9 08:28:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 9 08:28:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km In-Reply-To: <00b401c44dee$f57e0b10$4c00a8c0@satpc>; from hristo@videomaxavs.com on Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:56:58AM +0300 References: <00a501c44deb$73e8b3a0$4c00a8c0@satpc> <20040609064107.A4932@beton.cybernet.src> <00b401c44dee$f57e0b10$4c00a8c0@satpc> Message-ID: <20040609072821.A4957@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:56:58AM +0300, Hristo Nazarov wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km > Hi, > > > It means you have two transmitter heads and one receiver head. > > > I do not get it. Let start from the beginning. To make a link from Point A > to point B you should have at point A One transmitter and one receiver + > twister. same should be at point B right?. If i understand you right at both > Point A and Point B i should have TWO transmitters focused at far end > receiver and one receiver +twister so that let say i can "double" the > output power. If so how should i synchronize the two transmitters? just plug Yes. > two coax transmitters at the twister at the same place instead of one cable > if i have one transmitter?. If I choose to use Ronja Twister - RJ45, is You put them on the same signal cable and remove the 82R from the transmitter that is not at the end of the cable. > there any limitation of UTP Length? I read that it should be one meter long? The UTP length of Twister is 1m. > Can it be 20 Meters in order to avoid putting switch at the roof? If you put Twister on the roof you'll probably run out of operating temperature range. Put Twister down and use the coaxial cables. Cl< > > > > > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:31:52AM +0300, Hristo Nazarov wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Great Job! I am new to this and i plan to build Ronja at 1.6 km. > > > > > > So i have a question. What does dualhead mean? It means that you have > two > > > lenses in housing of the transmitter and the receiver? If so where is > the > > > > It means you have two transmitter heads and one receiver head. > > > > > schema for dualhead? I want to put two lenses in each housing 2 for > > > transmitter and two for receiver. Do you have any experience with such > > > distance? Seccond question are both twisters (Ronja AUI Forte and Ronja > > > Twister) working stable. Which one should I chose? Any other > recommendations? > > > > Both of them are stable. Choose the one you like more. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hristo at videomaxavs.com Wed Jun 9 08:52:33 2004 From: hristo at videomaxavs.com (Hristo Nazarov) Date: Wed Jun 9 08:52:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km References: <00a501c44deb$73e8b3a0$4c00a8c0@satpc><20040609064107.A4932@beton.cybernet.src><00b401c44dee$f57e0b10$4c00a8c0@satpc> <20040609072821.A4957@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00c101c44df6$b913e980$4c00a8c0@satpc> Thank you... > You put them on the same signal cable and remove the 82R from the transmitter > that is not at the end of the cable. It is getting clear now:) Can i see some pictures of such installation? Actually it is not quite clear how to use same signal cable without splitting it. How to split the signal cable? What about losses? When a cable is split there are big looses? How to minimize them? > If you put Twister on the roof you'll probably run out of operating > temperature range. Put Twister down and use the coaxial cables. What is the operating temperature for Twister? I can make some heating in order to stay in range Thank you once again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:56:58AM +0300, Hristo Nazarov wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km > > Hi, > > > > > It means you have two transmitter heads and one receiver head. > > > > > > I do not get it. Let start from the beginning. To make a link from Point A > > to point B you should have at point A One transmitter and one receiver + > > twister. same should be at point B right?. If i understand you right at both > > Point A and Point B i should have TWO transmitters focused at far end > > receiver and one receiver +twister so that let say i can "double" the > > output power. If so how should i synchronize the two transmitters? just plug > > Yes. > > > two coax transmitters at the twister at the same place instead of one cable > > if i have one transmitter?. If I choose to use Ronja Twister - RJ45, is > > You put them on the same signal cable and remove the 82R from the transmitter > that is not at the end of the cable. > > > there any limitation of UTP Length? I read that it should be one meter long? > > The UTP length of Twister is 1m. > > > Can it be 20 Meters in order to avoid putting switch at the roof? > > If you put Twister on the roof you'll probably run out of operating > temperature range. Put Twister down and use the coaxial cables. > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:31:52AM +0300, Hristo Nazarov wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Great Job! I am new to this and i plan to build Ronja at 1.6 km. > > > > > > > > So i have a question. What does dualhead mean? It means that you have > > two > > > > lenses in housing of the transmitter and the receiver? If so where is > > the > > > > > > It means you have two transmitter heads and one receiver head. > > > > > > > schema for dualhead? I want to put two lenses in each housing 2 for > > > > transmitter and two for receiver. Do you have any experience with such > > > > distance? Seccond question are both twisters (Ronja AUI Forte and Ronja > > > > Twister) working stable. Which one should I chose? Any other > > recommendations? > > > > > > Both of them are stable. Choose the one you like more. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 9 09:22:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 9 09:22:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km In-Reply-To: <00c101c44df6$b913e980$4c00a8c0@satpc>; from hristo@videomaxavs.com on Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:52:33AM +0300 References: <00a501c44deb$73e8b3a0$4c00a8c0@satpc><20040609064107.A4932@beton.cybernet.src><00b401c44dee$f57e0b10$4c00a8c0@satpc> <20040609072821.A4957@beton.cybernet.src> <00c101c44df6$b913e980$4c00a8c0@satpc> Message-ID: <20040609082217.A5116@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:52:33AM +0300, Hristo Nazarov wrote: > Thank you... > > > You put them on the same signal cable and remove the 82R from the > transmitter > > that is not at the end of the cable. > > > > It is getting clear now:) > > > > Can i see some pictures of such installation? Actually it is not quite clear > how to > > use same signal cable without splitting it. How to split the signal cable? Using cutting pliers :) > What about losses? When a cable is split there are big looses? How to > minimize them? No there aren't any losses on this small frequency. > > > If you put Twister on the roof you'll probably run out of operating > > temperature range. Put Twister down and use the coaxial cables. > > What is the operating temperature for Twister? I can make some heating in > order to stay in range See the specifications in About. Cl< From hristo at videomaxavs.com Wed Jun 9 09:32:03 2004 From: hristo at videomaxavs.com (Hristo Nazarov) Date: Wed Jun 9 09:31:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km References: <00a501c44deb$73e8b3a0$4c00a8c0@satpc><20040609064107.A4932@beton.cybernet.src><00b401c44dee$f57e0b10$4c00a8c0@satpc><20040609072821.A4957@beton.cybernet.src><00c101c44df6$b913e980$4c00a8c0@satpc> <20040609082217.A5116@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00df01c44dfc$3de5e370$4c00a8c0@satpc> Thanks! Finaly should i use dualhead at 1.6? What do you think. if i use single head at 1.6 will it work stable "frog/rain/snow" Thank you once agian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:52:33AM +0300, Hristo Nazarov wrote: > > Thank you... > > > > > You put them on the same signal cable and remove the 82R from the > > transmitter > > > that is not at the end of the cable. > > > > > > > > It is getting clear now:) > > > > > > > > Can i see some pictures of such installation? Actually it is not quite clear > > how to > > > > use same signal cable without splitting it. How to split the signal cable? > > Using cutting pliers :) > > > What about losses? When a cable is split there are big looses? How to > > minimize them? > > No there aren't any losses on this small frequency. > > > > > > If you put Twister on the roof you'll probably run out of operating > > > temperature range. Put Twister down and use the coaxial cables. > > > > What is the operating temperature for Twister? I can make some heating in > > order to stay in range > > See the specifications in About. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 9 10:05:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 9 10:05:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km In-Reply-To: <00df01c44dfc$3de5e370$4c00a8c0@satpc>; from hristo@videomaxavs.com on Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:32:03AM +0300 References: <00a501c44deb$73e8b3a0$4c00a8c0@satpc><20040609064107.A4932@beton.cybernet.src><00b401c44dee$f57e0b10$4c00a8c0@satpc><20040609072821.A4957@beton.cybernet.src><00c101c44df6$b913e980$4c00a8c0@satpc> <20040609082217.A5116@beton.cybernet.src> <00df01c44dfc$3de5e370$4c00a8c0@satpc> Message-ID: <20040609090532.A5135@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:32:03AM +0300, Hristo Nazarov wrote: > Thanks! > Finaly should i use dualhead at 1.6? What do you think. if i use single head > at 1.6 will it work stable "frog/rain/snow" Single head with nominal range 1.4km won't work stable over 1.6km. Use a dualhead. Cl< > Thank you once agian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead at 1.6 km > > > > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:52:33AM +0300, Hristo Nazarov wrote: > > > Thank you... > > > > > > > You put them on the same signal cable and remove the 82R from the > > > transmitter > > > > that is not at the end of the cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is getting clear now:) > > > > > > > > > > > > Can i see some pictures of such installation? Actually it is not quite > clear > > > how to > > > > > > use same signal cable without splitting it. How to split the signal > cable? > > > > Using cutting pliers :) > > > > > What about losses? When a cable is split there are big looses? How to > > > minimize them? > > > > No there aren't any losses on this small frequency. > > > > > > > > > If you put Twister on the roof you'll probably run out of operating > > > > temperature range. Put Twister down and use the coaxial cables. > > > > > > What is the operating temperature for Twister? I can make some heating > in > > > order to stay in range > > > > See the specifications in About. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Jun 9 12:20:16 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Jun 9 12:20:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI =?iso-8859-2?q?p=F9vodn=ED_vs=2E_RSSI_p=F8epracovan=FD?= In-Reply-To: <21684079.20040607142412@volny.cz> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz> <21684079.20040607142412@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406091320.16822.ladmanj@volny.cz> M??u se pozeptat v ?em se projevoval nedostatek p?vodn?ho RSSI detektoru, nem?m tu jeho sch?ma, ale kolega si potavil moduly je?t? podle p?vodn?ch schemat a te? ikdy? m?me v jednom sm?ru (580m 90mm trubky) 0% packet loss, tak RSSI relevantn?ho p?ij?ma?e d?v? 0.4mV co? je na norm?ln?m multimetru hranice m??itelnosti From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Jun 9 12:26:08 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Jun 9 12:26:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI =?iso-8859-2?q?p=F9vodn=ED_vs=2E_RSSI?= =?iso-8859-2?q?_p=F8epracovan=FD?= In-Reply-To: <200406091320.16822.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <21684079.20040607142412@volny.cz> <200406091320.16822.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406091326.08697.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne st 9. ?ervna 2004 13:20 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > M??u se pozeptat v ?em se projevoval nedostatek p?vodn?ho RSSI detektoru, > nem?m tu jeho sch?ma, ale kolega si potavil moduly je?t? podle p?vodn?ch > schemat a te? ikdy? m?me v jednom sm?ru (580m 90mm trubky) 0% packet loss, Nove RSSI mene zatezuje ne592 a v meznich podminkach to vede k prodlouzeni dosahu. Navic nove RSSI je citlivejsi. > tak RSSI relevantn?ho p?ij?ma?e d?v? 0.4mV co? je na norm?ln?m multimetru > hranice m??itelnosti U mych modulu byla hranice 0.2 - 0.3 mV kdy z 0% loss to preskocilo na temer 100% loss. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 9 12:55:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 9 12:55:12 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_RSSI_p=F9vodn=ED_vs=2E_RSSI_p=F8epracovan=FD?= In-Reply-To: <200406091320.16822.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:20:16PM +0200 References: <291541.3334565-11434-287454053-1086594792@email.seznam.cz> <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz> <21684079.20040607142412@volny.cz> <200406091320.16822.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040609115509.A5381@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:20:16PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > M??u se pozeptat v ?em se projevoval nedostatek p?vodn?ho RSSI detektoru, > nem?m tu jeho sch?ma, ale kolega si potavil moduly je?t? podle p?vodn?ch > schemat a te? ikdy? m?me v jednom sm?ru (580m 90mm trubky) 0% packet loss, > tak RSSI relevantn?ho p?ij?ma?e d?v? 0.4mV co? je na norm?ln?m multimetru > hranice m??itelnosti Jednak to trochu mrsilo vystupni signal a jednak to bylo slaby. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Wed Jun 9 19:14:16 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Wed Jun 9 19:14:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Wikina References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <40C64A43.9010208@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <002b01c44e4d$9a031c80$6529a8c0@diablo> Tu Wikinu by to ovsem chtelo trosku zorganizovat. Odkazy na lupy dat pod lupy atd atd. Ne ze budou lupy, pak zeleza, pak zase lupy, pak dalsi bude treba plasty apod...... Mozna by to bylo dobre trosku jako roletkove menu (podmenu).. From kubajz at kbx.cz Wed Jun 9 19:15:46 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Wed Jun 9 19:18:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Wikina In-Reply-To: <002b01c44e4d$9a031c80$6529a8c0@diablo> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <40C64A43.9010208@matfyz.cz> <002b01c44e4d$9a031c80$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <200406092015.46070.kubajz@kbx.cz> Me spis napadlo, jestli nejdou udelat podTopicy.... Ze by se tam vybralo i meste ev. zeme... K Dne st 9. ?ervna 2004 20:14 Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a): > Tu Wikinu by to ovsem chtelo trosku zorganizovat. > > Odkazy na lupy dat pod lupy atd atd. > > Ne ze budou lupy, pak zeleza, pak zase lupy, pak dalsi bude treba plasty > apod...... > > Mozna by to bylo dobre trosku jako roletkove menu (podmenu).. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kero at matfyz.cz Wed Jun 9 19:29:57 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Wed Jun 9 19:33:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Wikina In-Reply-To: <002b01c44e4d$9a031c80$6529a8c0@diablo> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <40C64A43.9010208@matfyz.cz> <002b01c44e4d$9a031c80$6529a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <40C75725.6030503@matfyz.cz> >Me spis napadlo, jestli nejdou udelat podTopicy.... Ze by se tam vybralo i >meste ev. zeme... Ackoliv nechci podcenovat projekt Ronja, prijde mi, ze by to bylo prozatim zbytecne. Az se tam objevi prvni odkaz na cizi zemi, tak to asi bude vhodn?, ale nen? tam zase tolik v?c?, co jsou pot?eba. Pokud jsem si v?iml, je tam u? pro v?robu v?e z materi?lu, a?koliv v?t?ina obchod? je v Praze(pokud se mylim, tak me opravte). Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a): > Tu Wikinu by to ovsem chtelo trosku zorganizovat. > Odkazy na lupy dat pod lupy atd atd. > Ne ze budou lupy, pak zeleza, pak zase lupy, pak dalsi bude treba plasty > apod...... > Mozna by to bylo dobre trosku jako roletkove menu (podmenu).. Vzdyt to tak je, tedy alespon ty lupy, me to prijde prehledne. Mas tam vzdy sekci, napr. Ledky a u nich jsou seznamem adresy lidi, kteri je prodavaji, obdobne obchody s elektronikou. U lup je to trochu delsi, ale kazde mesto je nadpisem h2. Mejte se lepe, nez ja, Kero From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 10 04:35:14 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 10 04:35:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <40C75725.6030503@matfyz.cz> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <002b01c44e4d$9a031c80$6529a8c0@diablo> <40C75725.6030503@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <200406100535.14247.ladmanj@volny.cz> Pekny pozdrav delka: 580m model: 90mm AUI karty: 3c509B problem: flood ping z jedne strany na druhou - pl 0%, v opacnem smeru vzdy presne 51-52% dotaz: Je to spatne namirene, nebo je problem v sitovkach? Diky Jakub From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 10 04:37:00 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 10 04:36:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <200406100535.14247.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <40C75725.6030503@matfyz.cz> <200406100535.14247.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406100537.00746.ladmanj@volny.cz> Jeste upresneni, dmesg na cili toho problematickeho pingu se plni p**ovinami. Jakub On Thursday 10 of June 2004 05:35, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Pekny pozdrav > delka: 580m > model: 90mm AUI > karty: 3c509B > problem: flood ping z jedne strany na druhou - pl 0%, v opacnem smeru vzdy > presne 51-52% > > dotaz: Je to spatne namirene, nebo je problem v sitovkach? > > Diky > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 10 07:30:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 10 07:30:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <200406100535.14247.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 05:35:14AM +0200 References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <002b01c44e4d$9a031c80$6529a8c0@diablo> <40C75725.6030503@matfyz.cz> <200406100535.14247.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040610063002.A6739@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 05:35:14AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Pekny pozdrav > delka: 580m > model: 90mm AUI > karty: 3c509B > problem: flood ping z jedne strany na druhou - pl 0%, v opacnem smeru vzdy > presne 51-52% Jakym prikazem jsi delal ten flood ping? Cl< > > dotaz: Je to spatne namirene, nebo je problem v sitovkach? > > Diky > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 10 07:30:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 10 07:30:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <200406100537.00746.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 05:37:00AM +0200 References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <40C75725.6030503@matfyz.cz> <200406100535.14247.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200406100537.00746.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040610063045.B6739@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 05:37:00AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Jeste upresneni, dmesg na cili toho problematickeho pingu se plni p**ovinami. Ze by se dmesg plnil picovinami to se mi u Linuxu teda jeste nestalo. Ale chybovymi hlaskami ano. Kdybys je napsal, treba by se z toho dalo neco usoudit. Cl< > Jakub > On Thursday 10 of June 2004 05:35, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Pekny pozdrav > > delka: 580m > > model: 90mm AUI > > karty: 3c509B > > problem: flood ping z jedne strany na druhou - pl 0%, v opacnem smeru vzdy > > presne 51-52% > > > > dotaz: Je to spatne namirene, nebo je problem v sitovkach? > > > > Diky > > Jakub > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cejvik at seznam.cz Thu Jun 10 07:38:52 2004 From: cejvik at seznam.cz (Cejvik) Date: Thu Jun 10 07:34:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?Zjednoduseni_pomoci_obvod_HFBR-4663_=E8i_M?= =?iso-8859-2?q?L4668?= Message-ID: <006201c44eb5$98d8ab00$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> Ahoj, prave jsem nasel na http://web51.hw.cz/maufo.html popis obdobneho projektu po optick?m kabelu. Pouziva tyto obvody a myslim ze by se jimi dala zjednodusit i Ronja. Co si to tom myslite? __________________ Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek www.mohelnice.net Tel. 723 13 29 29 P.S. I'm sorry that thist mail is not in EN but most developers are Czech. From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Jun 10 08:55:37 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Jun 10 08:55:56 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re:_[Ronja]_RSSI_p_vodn=ED_vs._RSSI_p_epracovan_?= In-Reply-To: <20040609115509.A5381@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200406091320.16822.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:20:16PM +0200 Message-ID: <40C83019.2328.219589@localhost> A jednak to bylo co kus to original a melo to mouchu ze multimetr ukazoval 0V a data vesele prochazela. Soucasny ma maly rozptyl namereneho napeti kus od kusu ale nekdy stejne ukazuje nulu a data zase prochazeji... On 9 Jun 2004 at 11:55, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:20:16PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > M u se pozeptat v em se projevoval nedostatek p vodn?ho RSSI detektoru, > > nem?m tu jeho sch?ma, ale kolega si potavil moduly je t podle p vodn?ch > > schemat a te ikdy m?me v jednom sm ru (580m 90mm trubky) 0% packet loss, > > tak RSSI relevantn?ho p ij?ma e d?v? 0.4mV co je na norm?ln?m multimetru > > hranice m itelnosti > > Jednak to trochu mrsilo vystupni signal a jednak to bylo slaby. > > Cl< > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Jun 10 09:09:26 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Jun 10 09:09:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <20040607122012.C9075@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40C456F5.5020408@centrum.cz>; from chalucha@centrum.cz on Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 01:52:21PM +0200 Message-ID: <40C83356.4848.2E3CDF@localhost> > > Rad bych, aby to na tu vzdalenost jelo s dostatecnou rezervou, ale zas > > aby to opravdu jelo :) > > Ale pocitam s tim, ze to asi tedy dopadne tak, ze se to testne a bude se > > tam pridavat odpor dokud se to bude prebuzovat. > > Jak poznam ze to je prebuzene, krome toho ze to nepojede? Na RSSI budou > > naky velky hodnoty? > > Jo, kolem 4V asi tak. Pozor, prave pri prebuzeni zacne napeti na RSSI klesat k nule!!! From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Jun 10 09:15:07 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Jun 10 09:15:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja na 15m :) In-Reply-To: <40C41C74.4020002@centrum.cz> References: <20040606150052.A6132@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40C834AB.25074.33711E@localhost> http://laser.webpark.cz/ronja.html hned prvni fotka shora "RED SONJA". Za 14 dni se bude montovat na cca 30metru. On 7 Jun 2004 at 9:42, Tom? Chaloupka wrote: > Zdravim, > nedelal jste nekdo konstrukci na takovejhle kousicek? > Zda se nam dost zbytecny tam davat i tu mensi verzi ronji, potrebujem > aby to bylo maly a lehky. > Nevite jaky velikosti cocek se daji sehnat? Zrejme to dame do > plastovejch trubek s malym prumerem, ale problem je s pomerne velkyma > krabickama RX a TX. > > Nemate s tim nekdo zkusenost? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Jun 10 09:25:16 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Jun 10 09:25:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nastaveni prepinacu atd In-Reply-To: <20040605194800.B3368@beton.cybernet.src> References: <002301c44b33$e6295420$0581000a@steebe>; from steebe@seznam.cz on Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:32:50PM +0200 Message-ID: <40C8370C.2830.3CBC42@localhost> Jeste by neskodil popis jak to nastavit jumpery primo na desce. Se priznam ze jsem nad tim stravil metodou pokusu a debilu skoro 5 minut. On 5 Jun 2004 at 19:48, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:32:50PM +0200, Steebe wrote: > > Sakra tak to prominte z fotek osazenejch tw. to vypada jako odpor ale > > nenapadlo mne ze to je kus navynutyho dratu takhle voplacanyho .. > > Beru z5 :-( moje chyba .. > > > > a co ty prepinace pls ? > > Vyznam prepinacu je popsanej na tom stitku co se nalepuje na Twister: > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/labels.png > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From karel.obadal at ido.cz Thu Jun 10 09:26:08 2004 From: karel.obadal at ido.cz (Karel Obadal) Date: Thu Jun 10 09:29:14 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re=3A_=5BRonja=5D_Zjednoduseni_pomoci_obv?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?od_HFBR-4663_=E8i_ML4668?= In-Reply-To: <006201c44eb5$98d8ab00$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> References: <006201c44eb5$98d8ab00$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> Message-ID: <40C81B20.2060808@ido.cz> Celkem by me zajimalo jestli existuji takoveto obvody a soucastky i pro 100Mbps nebo 1Gbps Cejvik wrote: > Ahoj, > prave jsem nasel na http://web51.hw.cz/maufo.html popis obdobneho projektu > po optick?m kabelu. Pouziva tyto obvody a myslim ze by se jimi dala > zjednodusit i Ronja. Co si to tom myslite? > __________________ > Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek > www.mohelnice.net > Tel. 723 13 29 29 > > P.S. I'm sorry that thist mail is not in EN but most developers are Czech. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Karel Obadal MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. Skolni 1729/IV 755 01 Vsetin Tel: 571 414 245 GSM: 608 720 533 Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 10 12:09:14 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 10 12:09:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <20040610063045.B6739@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <200406100537.00746.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040610063045.B6739@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406101309.15424.ladmanj@volny.cz> Tak uz to tam v dmesg neni, tudiz to je asi v poradku. Druha teorie byla ze to zpusobila CB radiostanice pri vysilani. Kazdopadne 52% PL v jednom smeru je furt. Jakub On Thursday 10 of June 2004 08:30, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 05:37:00AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Jeste upresneni, dmesg na cili toho problematickeho pingu se plni > > p**ovinami. > > Ze by se dmesg plnil picovinami to se mi u Linuxu teda jeste nestalo. Ale > chybovymi hlaskami ano. Kdybys je napsal, treba by se z toho dalo neco > usoudit. > > Cl< > > > Jakub > > > > On Thursday 10 of June 2004 05:35, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > Pekny pozdrav > > > delka: 580m > > > model: 90mm AUI > > > karty: 3c509B > > > problem: flood ping z jedne strany na druhou - pl 0%, v opacnem smeru > > > vzdy presne 51-52% > > > > > > dotaz: Je to spatne namirene, nebo je problem v sitovkach? > > > > > > Diky > > > Jakub > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 10 12:12:46 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 10 12:12:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <20040610063045.B6739@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <200406100537.00746.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040610063045.B6739@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406101312.46699.ladmanj@volny.cz> Nasel jsem v tom dmesg jeste posledni jednu radku z mnoha. board: unknown scancode e0 6d Jakub > Ze by se dmesg plnil picovinami to se mi u Linuxu teda jeste nestalo. Ale > chybovymi hlaskami ano. Kdybys je napsal, treba by se z toho dalo neco > usoudit. > > Cl< From kubajz at kbx.cz Thu Jun 10 13:03:39 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Thu Jun 10 13:06:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <200406101312.46699.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <20040610063045.B6739@beton.cybernet.src> <200406101312.46699.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406101403.39903.kubajz@kbx.cz> Ja bych to sacoval na spatne nastavenou sitovku... K Dne ?t 10. ?ervna 2004 13:12 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > Nasel jsem v tom dmesg jeste posledni jednu radku z mnoha. > > board: unknown scancode e0 6d > > Jakub > > > Ze by se dmesg plnil picovinami to se mi u Linuxu teda jeste nestalo. Ale > > chybovymi hlaskami ano. Kdybys je napsal, treba by se z toho dalo neco > > usoudit. > > > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Jun 10 13:11:09 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Jun 10 13:09:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <200406100535.14247.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <002b01c44e4d$9a031c80$6529a8c0@diablo> <40C75725.6030503@matfyz.cz> <200406100535.14247.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <13211432003.20040610141109@volny.cz> S temahle sitovkama jedu na obou stranach spoje a zatim pohoda. OndraT JL> Pekny pozdrav JL> delka: 580m JL> model: 90mm AUI JL> karty: 3c509B JL> problem: flood ping z jedne strany na druhou - pl 0%, v opacnem smeru vzdy JL> presne 51-52% JL> dotaz: Je to spatne namirene, nebo je problem v sitovkach? JL> Diky JL> Jakub JL> _______________________________________________ JL> Ronja mailing list JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 10 13:10:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 10 13:10:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <200406101312.46699.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 01:12:46PM +0200 References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <200406100537.00746.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040610063045.B6739@beton.cybernet.src> <200406101312.46699.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040610121038.B8455@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 01:12:46PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Nasel jsem v tom dmesg jeste posledni jednu radku z mnoha. > > board: unknown scancode e0 6d To je od klavesnice. To asi nema s Ronjou nic spolecneho. Cl< From kubajz at kbx.cz Thu Jun 10 13:10:07 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Thu Jun 10 13:13:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <13211432003.20040610141109@volny.cz> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <200406100535.14247.ladmanj@volny.cz> <13211432003.20040610141109@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406101410.07264.kubajz@kbx.cz> Nevim proc, ale 50% ve me evokuje myslenku na nastaveni jedny sitovky na half duplex... K Dne ?t 10. ?ervna 2004 14:11 Ondrej Tesar napsal(a): > S temahle sitovkama jedu na obou stranach spoje a zatim pohoda. > > OndraT > > JL> Pekny pozdrav > JL> delka: 580m > JL> model: 90mm AUI > JL> karty: 3c509B > JL> problem: flood ping z jedne strany na druhou - pl 0%, v opacnem smeru > vzdy JL> presne 51-52% > > JL> dotaz: Je to spatne namirene, nebo je problem v sitovkach? > > JL> Diky > JL> Jakub > > JL> _______________________________________________ > JL> Ronja mailing list > JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 10 14:30:52 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 10 14:31:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <13211432003.20040610141109@volny.cz> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <200406100535.14247.ladmanj@volny.cz> <13211432003.20040610141109@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406101530.52890.ladmanj@volny.cz> V tento moment to prerusta (pravdepodobne) ramec ronji, ale jeste to snad neni OT. Zjistil jsem, ze stejny PL mam ikdyz nepingam pres ronju, ale i kamkoliv po metalicke 100M siti. Nepripomina to nekomu z vas neco? Jakub From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 10 14:32:46 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 10 14:32:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <20040610121038.B8455@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <200406101312.46699.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040610121038.B8455@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406101532.46264.ladmanj@volny.cz> > To je od klavesnice. To asi nema s Ronjou nic spolecneho. Jo to vim, ale na klavesnici nikdo nesahal, asi to bylo tim CB velmi blizko, se spatne naladenou antenou (to pak muze interferovat s kdecim) From kubajz at kbx.cz Thu Jun 10 14:31:04 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Thu Jun 10 14:34:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <200406101530.52890.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <13211432003.20040610141109@volny.cz> <200406101530.52890.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406101531.04333.kubajz@kbx.cz> 100kova sit preci na 3C509b jet nemuze, ne? Vzdyt je to ISA 10mbps karta... A pokud se mylim, tak me nekamenujte... Zkusil bych vymenu sitovky za neco jinyho. K Dne ?t 10. ?ervna 2004 15:30 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > V tento moment to prerusta (pravdepodobne) ramec ronji, ale jeste to snad > neni OT. > Zjistil jsem, ze stejny PL mam ikdyz nepingam pres ronju, ale i kamkoliv po > metalicke 100M siti. > Nepripomina to nekomu z vas neco? > > Jakub > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 10 14:37:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 10 14:37:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <200406101531.04333.kubajz@kbx.cz>; from kubajz@kbx.cz on Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 03:31:04PM +0200 References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <13211432003.20040610141109@volny.cz> <200406101530.52890.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200406101531.04333.kubajz@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <20040610133731.A8739@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 03:31:04PM +0200, Jakub Sykora wrote: > 100kova sit preci na 3C509b jet nemuze, ne? Vzdyt je to ISA 10mbps karta... A > pokud se mylim, tak me nekamenujte... Zkusil bych vymenu sitovky za neco > jinyho. > > K > > Dne ?t 10. ?ervna 2004 15:30 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > > V tento moment to prerusta (pravdepodobne) ramec ronji, ale jeste to snad > > neni OT. > > Zjistil jsem, ze stejny PL mam ikdyz nepingam pres ronju, ale i kamkoliv po > > metalicke 100M siti. > > Nepripomina to nekomu z vas neco? Tak v tom pripade to neni problem Ronji. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 10 15:17:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 10 15:17:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: FW: deska RONJA TWISTER In-Reply-To: <200406101338.i5ADc8g13310@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz>; from hashi@post.cz on Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 03:35:42PM +0100 References: <200406101338.i5ADc8g13310@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz> Message-ID: <20040610141706.A9018@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 03:35:42PM +0100, Hashi wrote: > Dobry den, dovolim si preposlat dotaz vyrobce desek, u ktereho jsem si zadal > vyrobit twister. > Prosim, odpovezte mi na jeho dotazy, abych mu i ja mohl poslat odpoved. > Diky, H. > > ---- > > V??en? pane, > > v rozpisce desky RONJA TWISTER jsou p?edeps?ny konektory CONN53, CONN51, S1, > S2 a CONN52, av?ak bez p?esn?ho tipov?ho ozna?en?. CONN51 je uveden jako "DC_power_central_pin_2.5mm_panel_female". Nevim jak se to rekne podrobnejc. Nebo je problem v tom, ze to neni cesky? CONN52 a CONN53 jsem opravil ve schematu tak, ze jejich typ se objevil v rozpisu soucastek na http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister_1.net S1, S2, D51, D52, D59 a U68 jsem uvedl ve stavebnim navodu jakymi se maji osadit presne konektory http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php Orientace konektoru je na http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/assignment.png Diky za upozorneni na nedostatek v navodu. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Jun 10 15:24:19 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Jun 10 15:24:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zjednoduseni pomoci obv od HFBR-4663 i ML4668 In-Reply-To: <40C81B20.2060808@ido.cz> References: <006201c44eb5$98d8ab00$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> Message-ID: <40C88B33.9025.E99CE@localhost> Pro 100Mbit existuji minimalne ML6652 a ?LXT907? a dokonce i pro 1Gbit uz se da neco sehnat. A dokonce s tim i lidi v CR pokusuji a dokonce jim to i nejak jede. Vetsine z nich dokonce stacilo k jejich velke radosti jenom okopirovat doporucene zapojeni prevodniku na opticke vlakno, ale pak se ukazalo ze to prece jen nestaci. Kazdopadne na techto rychlostech plati ono zname: "Mnoho povolanych, ale malo vyvolenych." On 10 Jun 2004 at 10:26, Karel Obadal wrote: > Celkem by me zajimalo jestli existuji takoveto obvody a soucastky i pro > 100Mbps nebo 1Gbps > > > Cejvik wrote: > > Ahoj, > > prave jsem nasel na http://web51.hw.cz/maufo.html popis obdobneho projektu > > po optick?m kabelu. Pouziva tyto obvody a myslim ze by se jimi dala > > zjednodusit i Ronja. Co si to tom myslite? > > __________________ > > Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek > > www.mohelnice.net > > Tel. 723 13 29 29 > > > > P.S. I'm sorry that thist mail is not in EN but most developers are Czech. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > -- > Karel Obadal > > MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. > Skolni 1729/IV > 755 01 Vsetin > > Tel: 571 414 245 > GSM: 608 720 533 > > Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z > principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby > operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From karel.obadal at ido.cz Thu Jun 10 15:40:14 2004 From: karel.obadal at ido.cz (Karel Obadal) Date: Thu Jun 10 15:43:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zjednoduseni pomoci obv od HFBR-4663 i ML4668 In-Reply-To: <40C88B33.9025.E99CE@localhost> References: <006201c44eb5$98d8ab00$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> <40C88B33.9025.E99CE@localhost> Message-ID: <40C872CE.2090002@ido.cz> Dik za informace, jsou k dispozici nejake odkazy na zapojeni, nebo kontakty na takoveto lidi? Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Pro 100Mbit existuji minimalne ML6652 a ?LXT907? a dokonce i pro 1Gbit uz se da > neco sehnat. A dokonce s tim i lidi v CR pokusuji a dokonce jim to i nejak jede. Vetsine > z nich dokonce stacilo k jejich velke radosti jenom okopirovat doporucene zapojeni > prevodniku na opticke vlakno, ale pak se ukazalo ze to prece jen nestaci. > > Kazdopadne na techto rychlostech plati ono zname: "Mnoho povolanych, ale malo > vyvolenych." > > On 10 Jun 2004 at 10:26, Karel Obadal wrote: > > >>Celkem by me zajimalo jestli existuji takoveto obvody a soucastky i pro >>100Mbps nebo 1Gbps >> >> >>Cejvik wrote: >> >>>Ahoj, >>>prave jsem nasel na http://web51.hw.cz/maufo.html popis obdobneho projektu >>>po optick?m kabelu. Pouziva tyto obvody a myslim ze by se jimi dala >>>zjednodusit i Ronja. Co si to tom myslite? >>>__________________ >>>Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek >>>www.mohelnice.net >>>Tel. 723 13 29 29 >>> >>>P.S. I'm sorry that thist mail is not in EN but most developers are Czech. >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Karel Obadal >> >>MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. >>Skolni 1729/IV >>755 01 Vsetin >> >>Tel: 571 414 245 >>GSM: 608 720 533 >> >>Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z >>principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby >>operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Karel Obadal MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. Skolni 1729/IV 755 01 Vsetin Tel: 571 414 245 GSM: 608 720 533 Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. From k_skarlatos at hotmail.com Thu Jun 10 15:52:15 2004 From: k_skarlatos at hotmail.com (Konstantinos Skarlatos) Date: Thu Jun 10 15:52:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister order and ronja lenses Message-ID: i have just sent an order for 30 twister pcb's to the person you suggest in the twiki, and i would like somebody that speaks english to mail me at cartman@galinos.med.uoc.gr in order to get some things clear. if the price in euros is good, i could be interested in bying even more pieces. thank you in advance _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From k_skarlatos at hotmail.com Thu Jun 10 15:54:19 2004 From: k_skarlatos at hotmail.com (Konstantinos Skarlatos) Date: Thu Jun 10 15:54:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister order and ronja lenses Message-ID: sorry for the wrong subject in my previous mail, my mistake. the correct subject is 'help on Twister pcb order' _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From kubajz at kbx.cz Thu Jun 10 15:59:53 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Thu Jun 10 16:02:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister order and ronja lenses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200406101659.53284.kubajz@kbx.cz> I think I can speak english, so ask me whatever you want. My private mail is kubajz@kbx.cz . Jakub Dne ?t 10. ?ervna 2004 16:52 Konstantinos Skarlatos napsal(a): > i have just sent an order for 30 twister pcb's to the person you suggest in > the twiki, and i would like somebody that speaks english to mail me at > cartman@galinos.med.uoc.gr in order to get some things clear. if the price > in euros is good, i could be interested in bying even more pieces. thank > you in advance > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 10 16:23:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 10 16:23:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zjednoduseni pomoci obv od HFBR-4663 i ML4668 In-Reply-To: <40C88B33.9025.E99CE@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 04:24:19PM +0200 References: <006201c44eb5$98d8ab00$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> <40C81B20.2060808@ido.cz> <40C88B33.9025.E99CE@localhost> Message-ID: <20040610152322.A9926@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 04:24:19PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Pro 100Mbit existuji minimalne ML6652 a ?LXT907? a dokonce i pro 1Gbit uz se da > neco sehnat. A dokonce s tim i lidi v CR pokusuji a dokonce jim to i nejak jede. Vetsine Maji ?LXT907? v nejakem maloobchode v Praze? Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 10 18:59:58 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 10 19:00:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 52% PL In-Reply-To: <20040610133731.A8739@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040608191347.A3401@beton.cybernet.src> <200406101531.04333.kubajz@kbx.cz> <20040610133731.A8739@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406101959.58700.ladmanj@volny.cz> > > Tak v tom pripade to neni problem Ronji. Problem zmizel po upgrade kernelu :-D Takze dekuji a tenhle thread uzaviram. Jakub From andy at intercomp.info Thu Jun 10 22:00:55 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Thu Jun 10 21:49:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister airwire Message-ID: <45364.213.77.122.1.1086901255.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> I,m already building the airwire ronja (including AW Twister) I have a few questions. 1 (TWISTER). If I made IC's in stack (5xHC164), then is nesesery to use five 1n capatitors connected between pin 14 and pin7 and to ground.And to use five 100n capatitors connected between pin 14 and ground ? If I look to schematic I must do that, but in real AW-Twister photo I was found one 1n capacitor and one 100n capatitor. IS this OK ??? 2 (Receiver). I don't understand in schematic connectors J101(red) and J102(black). Where I must plug this cables??? I don't understand the documentation. I must plug into this cables 12V from Twister or what ? I guess that J104(black) and J105(blue) are used to future aiming ??? And I guess that J03 are plugged to RX in Twister ? From steebe at seznam.cz Thu Jun 10 23:28:07 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Thu Jun 10 23:28:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] WEB chybka ... Message-ID: <001001c44f3a$37ab7ee0$0581000a@steebe> Ronja Homepage Changelog Warning: Failed opening 'changelog.html' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear') in /home/clock/www/twibright.com/ronja/changelog.php on line 6 jen sem clicknul na Changelog ... bonzovat se nema ale hl?sit se to musi . ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040611/0a2c83b3/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 11 07:46:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 11 07:46:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister airwire In-Reply-To: <45364.213.77.122.1.1086901255.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl>; from andy@intercomp.info on Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 11:00:55PM +0200 References: <45364.213.77.122.1.1086901255.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040611064601.C183@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 11:00:55PM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > I,m already building the airwire ronja (including AW Twister) > I have a few questions. > > 1 (TWISTER). If I made IC's in stack (5xHC164), then is nesesery to use > five 1n capatitors connected between pin 14 and pin7 and to ground.And to > use five 100n capatitors connected between pin 14 and ground ? > If I look to schematic I must do that, but in real AW-Twister photo I was > found one 1n capacitor and one 100n capatitor. IS this OK ??? Yes. However you can put them there all if they fit. > 2 (Receiver). I don't understand in schematic connectors J101(red) and > J102(black). Where I must plug this cables??? I don't understand the > documentation. I must plug into this cables 12V from Twister or what ? No it's power exchange between RX and TX head. RX head gets +12V on the shield, TX gets GND and together they get complete power when they share it :) This cabling will be described I think in the testing. If not, I have in TODO list writing a overall connecting schematic. > I guess that J104(black) and J105(blue) are used to future aiming ??? Yes. > And I guess that J03 are plugged to RX in Twister ? Yes. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 11 07:52:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 11 07:52:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: WEB chybka ... In-Reply-To: <001001c44f3a$37ab7ee0$0581000a@steebe>; from steebe@seznam.cz on Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 12:28:07AM +0200 References: <001001c44f3a$37ab7ee0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040611065249.D183@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 12:28:07AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > Ronja Homepage Changelog > Warning: Failed opening 'changelog.html' for inclusion > (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear') in > /home/clock/www/twibright.com/ronja/changelog.php on line 6 Hehe diky za bugreport. Chyba byla v permissionech. Na nic jsem nesahal od ty doby co to chodilo :) Zrejme pri nejaky praci s CVS CVSka proprasila tise prava aniz bych si toho nejak vsimnul. Cl< From cejvik at seznam.cz Fri Jun 11 08:36:02 2004 From: cejvik at seznam.cz (Cejvik) Date: Fri Jun 11 08:31:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Konvertor Message-ID: <006a01c44f86$bfc09da0$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> Ahoj, narazil jsem na inzerat prodavajici CentreCOM MC12T coz je konvertor UTP/AUI (viz http://www.megasat.ch/totalhardware/n/A-B/42518.htm) pokud ma nekdo zajem: Jan Kelyman, jkelyman [at] m2000.cz Telefon: 606544216 Region: Nymburk __________________ Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek www.mohelnice.net Tel. 723 13 29 29 From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 11 11:12:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 11 11:12:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: FW: deska RONJA TWISTER In-Reply-To: <200406110923.i5B9Nsg06456@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz>; from hashi@post.cz on Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 11:21:09AM +0100 References: <20040610141706.A9018@beton.cybernet.src> <200406110923.i5B9Nsg06456@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz> Message-ID: <20040611101239.B485@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 11:21:09AM +0100, Hashi wrote: > Diky za zpravu, muzu jej v pripade dalsich dotazu odkazat primo na Vas? Jo. Cl< > H. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karel Kulhav? [mailto:clock@twibright.com] > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:17 PM > > To: Hashi > > Cc: Twibright Ronja > > Subject: Re: FW: deska RONJA TWISTER > > > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 03:35:42PM +0100, Hashi wrote: > > > Dobry den, dovolim si preposlat dotaz vyrobce desek, u > > ktereho jsem si > > > zadal vyrobit twister. > > > Prosim, odpovezte mi na jeho dotazy, abych mu i ja mohl > > poslat odpoved. > > > Diky, H. > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > V??en? pane, > > > > > > v rozpisce desky RONJA TWISTER jsou p?edeps?ny konektory CONN53, > > > CONN51, S1, > > > S2 a CONN52, av?ak bez p?esn?ho tipov?ho ozna?en?. > > > > CONN51 je uveden jako > > "DC_power_central_pin_2.5mm_panel_female". Nevim jak se to > > rekne podrobnejc. Nebo je problem v tom, ze to neni cesky? > > > > CONN52 a CONN53 jsem opravil ve schematu tak, ze jejich typ > > se objevil v rozpisu soucastek na > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister_1.net > > > > S1, S2, D51, D52, D59 a U68 jsem uvedl ve stavebnim navodu > > jakymi se maji osadit presne konektory > > http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php > > > > Orientace konektoru je na > > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/assignment.png > > > > Diky za upozorneni na nedostatek v navodu. > > > > Cl< > > > From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Jun 11 21:48:04 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Jun 11 21:47:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pozor, tlumivka si hraje na pojistku Message-ID: <9953270294.20040611224804@volny.cz> Zdravim, pri zapojovani Twistra se mi nechtene podarilo udelat na vodicich pro napajeni Rx a Tx zkrat. Odnekud z desky se zakourilo, ale zcernale nic nebylo. Premerovanim jsem prisel na to, ze odesla ta 1uH tlumivka z GM. Takze bacha na to, zkratovy proud nevydrzi a nenapadne prehori. Ony ty civky vinute z dratu mely neco do sebe :-) At jste toho usetreni :-) OndraT From kubajz at kbx.cz Fri Jun 11 21:52:21 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?Windows-1250?B?S3ViYSBT/WtvcmE=?=) Date: Fri Jun 11 21:52:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pozor, tlumivka si hraje na pojistku In-Reply-To: <9953270294.20040611224804@volny.cz> References: <9953270294.20040611224804@volny.cz> Message-ID: <15949934942.20040611225221@kbx.cz> Mozna dobre, ze to odskace jen ta civecka. Bejt tam drat, tak shori neco jinyho... Kuba Sýkora - kubajz@kbx.cz Ftip: Když už je nejhùø, tak to prostì vypni a jdi domù. Pokud už jsi doma, tak si lehni pøed televizi a doufej, že nespadne. ------------------------------------ OT> Zdravim, OT> pri zapojovani Twistra se mi nechtene podarilo udelat na vodicich pro OT> napajeni Rx a Tx zkrat. Odnekud z desky se zakourilo, ale zcernale nic OT> nebylo. Premerovanim jsem prisel na to, ze odesla ta 1uH tlumivka z OT> GM. Takze bacha na to, zkratovy proud nevydrzi a nenapadne prehori. OT> Ony ty civky vinute z dratu mely neco do sebe :-) OT> At jste toho usetreni :-) OT> OndraT OT> _______________________________________________ OT> Ronja mailing list OT> Ronja@lists.pointless.net OT> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Jun 11 22:05:57 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Jun 11 22:04:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pozor, tlumivka si hraje na pojistku In-Reply-To: <15949934942.20040611225221@kbx.cz> References: <9953270294.20040611224804@volny.cz> <15949934942.20040611225221@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <10754343132.20040611230557@volny.cz> A to si myslim ze ne. Kdyby to civka prezila, tak to IMHO chytne ta antiparalelni dioda a ta to chvilkove vydrzi - od toho tam je. S AUICkem se mi to nikdy nestalo (civka vinuta), presto ze se clovek par zkratum pri instalaci asi nevyhne :-) OndraT KS> Mozna dobre, ze to odskace jen ta civecka. Bejt tam drat, tak shori KS> neco jinyho... KS> Kuba S=FDkora - kubajz@kbx.cz KS> Ftip: Kdy=9E u=9E je nejh=F9=F8, tak to prost=EC vypni a jdi dom=F9. Po= kud u=9E jsi doma, tak si lehni p=F8ed televizi a doufej, =9Ee nespadne. KS> ------------------------------------ OT>> Zdravim, OT>> pri zapojovani Twistra se mi nechtene podarilo udelat na vodicich pro OT>> napajeni Rx a Tx zkrat. Odnekud z desky se zakourilo, ale zcernale nic OT>> nebylo. Premerovanim jsem prisel na to, ze odesla ta 1uH tlumivka z OT>> GM. Takze bacha na to, zkratovy proud nevydrzi a nenapadne prehori. OT>> Ony ty civky vinute z dratu mely neco do sebe :-) OT>> At jste toho usetreni :-) OT>> OndraT OT>> _______________________________________________ OT>> Ronja mailing list OT>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net OT>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja KS> _______________________________________________ KS> Ronja mailing list KS> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KS> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 12 07:14:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 12 07:14:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pozor, tlumivka si hraje na pojistku In-Reply-To: <15949934942.20040611225221@kbx.cz>; from kubajz@kbx.cz on Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 10:52:21PM +0200 References: <9953270294.20040611224804@volny.cz> <15949934942.20040611225221@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <20040612061401.B287@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 10:52:21PM +0200, Kuba S?kora wrote: > Mozna dobre, ze to odskace jen ta civecka. Bejt tam drat, tak shori > neco jinyho... Dam tam zpatky ten drat a vyhodim zminku o 1uH civce. Ma shoret pojistka / vypnout automaticka ochrana ve zdroji a ne shoret Twister :) Cl< > > Kuba S?kora - kubajz@kbx.cz > > Ftip: Kdy? u? je nejh??, tak to prost? vypni a jdi dom?. Pokud u? jsi doma, tak si lehni p?ed televizi a doufej, ?e nespadne. > ------------------------------------ > OT> Zdravim, > OT> pri zapojovani Twistra se mi nechtene podarilo udelat na vodicich pro > OT> napajeni Rx a Tx zkrat. Odnekud z desky se zakourilo, ale zcernale nic > OT> nebylo. Premerovanim jsem prisel na to, ze odesla ta 1uH tlumivka z > OT> GM. Takze bacha na to, zkratovy proud nevydrzi a nenapadne prehori. > OT> Ony ty civky vinute z dratu mely neco do sebe :-) > > OT> At jste toho usetreni :-) > > OT> OndraT > > > > OT> _______________________________________________ > OT> Ronja mailing list > OT> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > OT> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sat Jun 12 08:02:11 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sat Jun 12 08:02:15 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20pozor=2C=20tlumivka=20si=20hraje=20na=20pojistku?= In-Reply-To: <9953270294.20040611224804@volny.cz> Message-ID: <60767.166527-10839-296269112-1087023730@email.seznam.cz> Mno mozna kdyby si clovek daval pozor, tak k zadnym zkratkum nedojde ;) ____________________________________________________________ M??ete SMSkovat a ?et?it p?itom kredit mobilu? Ano! Pos?lejte SMS z pevn? linky jen za 1 K?! www.telecom.cz/sms http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=75001 From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Jun 12 11:16:02 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Jun 12 11:16:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zjednoduseni pomoci obv od HFBR-4663 i ML4668 In-Reply-To: <20040610152322.A9926@beton.cybernet.src> References: <006201c44eb5$98d8ab00$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> <40C81B20.2060808@ido.cz> <40C88B33.9025.E99CE@localhost> <20040610152322.A9926@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1087035362.40cad7e29bafc@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 04:24:19PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Pro 100Mbit existuji minimalne ML6652 a ?LXT907? a dokonce i pro 1Gbit uz > se da > > neco sehnat. A dokonce s tim i lidi v CR pokusuji a dokonce jim to i nejak > jede. Vetsine > > Maji ?LXT907? v nejakem maloobchode v Praze? > > Cl< Pardon preklep, je to LXT972. Udajne ho maji v Rystonu, takze se hned tak nesezene. A krom toho ma takove hezke pouzdro s vyvody hustoty srsti cincily, takze je to pro 99.9procent lidi stejne pase. From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Jun 13 11:09:47 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Jun 13 11:08:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] funkce LED u AUI vs Twister Message-ID: <4913700847.20040613120947@volny.cz> Zdravim, chci se zeptat, jestli u Twistru kdyz linka neni zamerena (hlavice na sebe nevidi) taky sviti stale zelena LED? U AUI to tak bylo, ze teprve po zamereni linky ta zelena zhasla (a pak jen blikani indikovala prijem paketu). Jsem pako, tuhle funkci jsem si zapomnel vyzkouset a ted uz mam pulku spoje na strese a pulku doma. Chtel bych to vedet pred finalnim nastrelovanim linky. Diky OndraT From kpr at seznam.cz Sun Jun 13 11:11:46 2004 From: kpr at seznam.cz (KPR) Date: Sun Jun 13 11:11:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody References: <4913700847.20040613120947@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000701c4512e$d75601e0$2380a8c0@net> Zdravim, zkouseli jste nekdo pouzit lasery misto LED ? konkretne mam na mysli prodavane typy (GME Praha) L-SLD6510A nebo L-SLD6505A. KPR From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 13 11:15:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 13 11:15:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] funkce LED u AUI vs Twister In-Reply-To: <4913700847.20040613120947@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 12:09:47PM +0200 References: <4913700847.20040613120947@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040613101539.A1029@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 12:09:47PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > chci se zeptat, jestli u Twistru kdyz linka neni zamerena (hlavice na > sebe nevidi) taky sviti stale zelena LED? U Twisteru je to nedefinovany. Cl< From cejvik at seznam.cz Sun Jun 13 11:21:00 2004 From: cejvik at seznam.cz (Cejvik) Date: Sun Jun 13 11:16:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody References: <4913700847.20040613120947@volny.cz> <000701c4512e$d75601e0$2380a8c0@net> Message-ID: <001101c45130$20208a20$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> Ahoj, taky se nad tim pozastavuju... Napr. jsem si rikal proc nepouzit na kratsi vzdalenosti diody z "laserovych ukazovatek" __________________ Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek www.mohelnice.net Tel. 723 13 29 29 ----- Original Message ----- From: "KPR" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: [Ronja] laser diody > Zdravim, > zkouseli jste nekdo pouzit lasery misto LED ? > konkretne mam na mysli prodavane typy (GME Praha) L-SLD6510A nebo > L-SLD6505A. From kpr at seznam.cz Sun Jun 13 11:30:35 2004 From: kpr at seznam.cz (KPR) Date: Sun Jun 13 11:30:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody References: <4913700847.20040613120947@volny.cz><000701c4512e$d75601e0$2380a8c0@net> <001101c45130$20208a20$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> Message-ID: <000d01c45131$76fdac00$2380a8c0@net> Vzdyt ano,tyto diody jsou z ukazovatek. Jenze je musis pouzit samostatne (=s vlastnim obvodem),ne s tim regulacnim obvodem co byva v ukazovatku. L-SLD6510A se mi libi protoze ma docela slusny vykon 10mW , pri dobre optice jsem dosahl i velmi dobre divegence a dosahu pres 800m. Dal jsem nevidel uz svym okem,ale myslim ze by to zvladlo. Jedna se mi hlavne o to jestli muze prenaset 10Mbit sirku pasma? a jestli nekdo nezkousel navrhnout vlastni obvod co by trosku ridil proud do diody,protoze to preci jen potreba je. KPR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cejvik" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] laser diody Ahoj, taky se nad tim pozastavuju... Napr. jsem si rikal proc nepouzit na kratsi vzdalenosti diody z "laserovych ukazovatek" __________________ Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek www.mohelnice.net Tel. 723 13 29 29 ----- Original Message ----- From: "KPR" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: [Ronja] laser diody > Zdravim, > zkouseli jste nekdo pouzit lasery misto LED ? > konkretne mam na mysli prodavane typy (GME Praha) L-SLD6510A nebo > L-SLD6505A. _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Jun 13 11:31:09 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Jun 13 11:31:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody Message-ID: <20040613103116Z1306255-4409+7390@mail.centrum.cz> uz se tu myslim resilo. a jestli ne ted urcite na czfree.net . tam je v forum s tematem "jak na Tx z levneho laseru" tedy z las. ukazovatka.... ale pozor!jestli se ho budete pokouset rozdelat, je to o jeho zdravi. rysovi se to podarilo, ale ja sem si urval nozikcky od te ledky co v tom je a vymenit poradne nejde :(..... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Cejvik" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:21:00 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] laser diody > > > Ahoj, > taky se nad tim pozastavuju... Napr. jsem si rikal proc nepouzit na kratsi > vzdalenosti diody z "laserovych ukazovatek" > __________________ > Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek > www.mohelnice.net > Tel. 723 13 29 29 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KPR" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:11 PM > Subject: [Ronja] laser diody > > > > Zdravim, > > zkouseli jste nekdo pouzit lasery misto LED ? > > konkretne mam na mysli prodavane typy (GME Praha) L-SLD6510A nebo > > L-SLD6505A. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kpr at seznam.cz Sun Jun 13 11:39:30 2004 From: kpr at seznam.cz (KPR) Date: Sun Jun 13 11:39:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody References: <20040613103116Z1306255-4409+7390@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000d01c45132$b5b26ac0$2380a8c0@net> ukazovatka jsou dost na prd,teda co se tyce optiky. diody tam jsou zalisovane do mosazneho valecku,proto se jim nechce ven. Opticky lepsi se mi jevily prodavane hotove laser moduly,tam byl prvni problem zezadu odvrtavat takovou zalivaci hmotu, a pak se opatrne dostat az k nozickam. KPR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] laser diody uz se tu myslim resilo. a jestli ne ted urcite na czfree.net . tam je v forum s tematem "jak na Tx z levneho laseru" tedy z las. ukazovatka.... ale pozor!jestli se ho budete pokouset rozdelat, je to o jeho zdravi. rysovi se to podarilo, ale ja sem si urval nozikcky od te ledky co v tom je a vymenit poradne nejde :(..... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Cejvik" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:21:00 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] laser diody > > > Ahoj, > taky se nad tim pozastavuju... Napr. jsem si rikal proc nepouzit na kratsi > vzdalenosti diody z "laserovych ukazovatek" > __________________ > Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek > www.mohelnice.net > Tel. 723 13 29 29 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KPR" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:11 PM > Subject: [Ronja] laser diody > > > > Zdravim, > > zkouseli jste nekdo pouzit lasery misto LED ? > > konkretne mam na mysli prodavane typy (GME Praha) L-SLD6510A nebo > > L-SLD6505A. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cejvik at seznam.cz Sun Jun 13 11:47:53 2004 From: cejvik at seznam.cz (Cejvik) Date: Sun Jun 13 11:43:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody References: <20040613103116Z1306255-4409+7390@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <002101c45133$e172de00$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> Ahoj, to by me zajimalo, ale obavam se ze takhle se to nejmenovalo. Alespon google i po upravach hledaneho dotazu nic nenajde. __________________ Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek www.mohelnice.net Tel. 723 13 29 29 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] laser diody uz se tu myslim resilo. a jestli ne ted urcite na czfree.net . tam je v forum s tematem "jak na Tx z levneho laseru" tedy z las. ukazovatka.... ale pozor!jestli se ho budete pokouset rozdelat, je to o jeho zdravi. rysovi se to podarilo, ale ja sem si urval nozikcky od te ledky co v tom je a vymenit poradne nejde :(..... From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Jun 13 11:45:16 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Jun 13 11:46:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody Message-ID: <20040613104541Z1307055-4409+7754@mail.centrum.cz> ____________________________________________________________ > Od: "KPR" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:30:35 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] laser diody > > Vzdyt ano,tyto diody jsou z ukazovatek. Jenze je musis pouzit samostatne (=s > vlastnim obvodem),ne s tim regulacnim obvodem co byva v ukazovatku. pockej, jakoze laserove ukazovatka maji v sobe naky regul. obvod? ja tam nasel jenom odpor 390 ....nebo 39?... omu.... ... no, pravda, bylo od vetnamcu za 50Kc ale i tak mi to pride divne... > L-SLD6510A se mi libi protoze ma docela slusny vykon 10mW , pri dobre optice > jsem dosahl i velmi dobre divegence a dosahu pres 800m. Dal jsem nevidel uz > svym okem,ale myslim ze by to zvladlo. > Jedna se mi hlavne o to jestli muze prenaset 10Mbit sirku pasma? a jestli > nekdo nezkousel navrhnout vlastni obvod co by trosku ridil proud do > diody,protoze to preci jen potreba je. > > KPR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cejvik" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] laser diody > > > > Ahoj, > taky se nad tim pozastavuju... Napr. jsem si rikal proc nepouzit na kratsi > vzdalenosti diody z "laserovych ukazovatek" > __________________ > Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek > www.mohelnice.net > Tel. 723 13 29 29 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KPR" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:11 PM > Subject: [Ronja] laser diody > > > > Zdravim, > > zkouseli jste nekdo pouzit lasery misto LED ? > > konkretne mam na mysli prodavane typy (GME Praha) L-SLD6510A nebo > > L-SLD6505A. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Jun 13 11:55:59 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Jun 13 11:56:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody Message-ID: <20040613105602Z1302195-4411+8179@mail.centrum.cz> mno...czfree je zase busy.... ale takhle: najed si czfree.cz -> komunita -> opticke pojitko -> jak na Tx z levneho laseru sem si temer ?ur ze se to tak menovalo.... (nevite nahodou nekdo jak dat nekam odkaz primo na urcite vlakno z czfree?, ja dycky primo skopiruju to co sviti pod cudlikama nahore v int. exloreru, ale kdyz sem na czfree, tak mi tam sviti jenom www.czfree.cz ....) ... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Cejvik" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:47:53 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] laser diody > > > Ahoj, > to by me zajimalo, ale obavam se ze takhle se to nejmenovalo. Alespon google > i po upravach hledaneho dotazu nic nenajde. > __________________ > Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek > www.mohelnice.net > Tel. 723 13 29 29 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Michn?k" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] laser diody > > > uz se tu myslim resilo. a jestli ne ted urcite na czfree.net . tam je v > forum s tematem "jak na Tx z levneho laseru" tedy z las. ukazovatka.... ale > pozor!jestli se ho budete pokouset rozdelat, je to o jeho zdravi. rysovi se > to podarilo, ale ja sem si urval nozikcky od te ledky co v tom je a vymenit > poradne nejde :(..... > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040613/0e959e57/attachment.htm From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Jun 13 12:02:34 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Jun 13 12:03:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? Message-ID: <20040613110234Z1302265-4409+8192@mail.centrum.cz> nedavno sem se na to ptal, ale ptam se zas... jak to vypada s dalsi hrodnou (hromadnejsi) obednavkou pls na Twistra? ja bych je uz docela i chtel :).... se totiz nemuzu dockat az to I ME pojede :)...... jo, neni nekde nahodou naky seznam tech kterym uz tvistr jede? jesi ne mozna by ho bylo dobre vyrobit :) From cejvik at seznam.cz Sun Jun 13 12:12:37 2004 From: cejvik at seznam.cz (Cejvik) Date: Sun Jun 13 12:07:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody References: <20040613105602Z1302195-4411+8179@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <004101c45137$57dd7980$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> Ahoj, to je jednoduche... kliknes kamkoliv mimo odkaz (hyperlink) a obrazek a das vlastnosti a zkopirujes odkaz, napr. http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?s=92478deda9c7d14618be18fd4aed11c 0&threadid=6635 __________________ Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek www.mohelnice.net Tel. 723 13 29 29 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jakub Michn?k To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] laser diody mno...czfree je zase busy.... ale takhle: najed si czfree.cz -> komunita -> opticke pojitko -> jak na Tx z levneho laseru sem si temer ?ur ze se to tak menovalo.... (nevite nahodou nekdo jak dat nekam odkaz primo na urcite vlakno z czfree?, ja dycky primo skopiruju to co sviti pod cudlikama nahore v int. exloreru, ale kdyz sem na czfree, tak mi tam sviti jenom www.czfree.cz ....) ... From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Jun 13 12:20:46 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Jun 13 12:21:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody Message-ID: <20040613112058Z1302206-4406+8388@mail.centrum.cz> 8P....eeeee..... no..... ono to asi zas tak jednoduche nebude :P.... (pro me :) ) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Cejvik" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:12:37 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] laser diody > > > Ahoj, > to je jednoduche... kliknes kamkoliv mimo odkaz (hyperlink) a obrazek a das > vlastnosti a zkopirujes odkaz, napr. > http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?s=92478deda9c7d14618be18fd4aed11c > 0&threadid=6635 > __________________ > Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek > www.mohelnice.net > Tel. 723 13 29 29 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jakub Michn?k > To: ronja@lists.pointless.net > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] laser diody > > > mno...czfree je zase busy.... ale takhle: najed si czfree.cz -> komunita -> > opticke pojitko -> jak na Tx z levneho laseru > > sem si temer ?ur ze se to tak menovalo.... > > (nevite nahodou nekdo jak dat nekam odkaz primo na urcite vlakno z czfree?, > ja dycky primo skopiruju to co sviti pod cudlikama nahore v int. exloreru, > ale kdyz sem na czfree, tak mi tam sviti jenom www.czfree.cz ....) ... > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Jun 13 12:27:51 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Jun 13 12:26:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? In-Reply-To: <20040613110234Z1302265-4409+8192@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040613110234Z1302265-4409+8192@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <4818385266.20040613132751@volny.cz> No z te prvni varky mi dve desky jedou. Zatim testovano na stole. V terenu snad pristi tyden. Dalsi jsou ve stavbe. Dalsi objednavy jsou myslim na http://twister.horky.net/ OndraT JM> nedavno sem se na to ptal, ale ptam se zas... jak to vypada s dalsi hrodnou (hromadnejsi) obednavkou pls na Twistra? ja bych je uz docela i chtel :).... se totiz nemuzu dockat az to I ME pojede JM> :)...... jo, neni nekde nahodou naky seznam tech kterym uz tvistr jede? jesi ne mozna by ho bylo dobre vyrobit :) JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kpr at seznam.cz Sun Jun 13 12:32:04 2004 From: kpr at seznam.cz (KPR) Date: Sun Jun 13 12:32:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody References: <20040613104541Z1307055-4409+7754@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001f01c4513a$1a6387e0$2380a8c0@net> nektera ukazovatka maji jen zpetnovazebni smycku, jina maji jednodussi obvod ktery reguluje modulacne. Pouziva to vystup z fotodiody uvnitr laseru. KPR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] laser diody ____________________________________________________________ > Od: "KPR" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:30:35 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] laser diody > > Vzdyt ano,tyto diody jsou z ukazovatek. Jenze je musis pouzit samostatne (=s > vlastnim obvodem),ne s tim regulacnim obvodem co byva v ukazovatku. pockej, jakoze laserove ukazovatka maji v sobe naky regul. obvod? ja tam nasel jenom odpor 390 ....nebo 39?... omu.... ... no, pravda, bylo od vetnamcu za 50Kc ale i tak mi to pride divne... > L-SLD6510A se mi libi protoze ma docela slusny vykon 10mW , pri dobre optice > jsem dosahl i velmi dobre divegence a dosahu pres 800m. Dal jsem nevidel uz > svym okem,ale myslim ze by to zvladlo. > Jedna se mi hlavne o to jestli muze prenaset 10Mbit sirku pasma? a jestli > nekdo nezkousel navrhnout vlastni obvod co by trosku ridil proud do > diody,protoze to preci jen potreba je. > > KPR From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Jun 13 14:17:13 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Jun 13 14:18:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? Message-ID: <20040613131717Z1300751-4411+9570@mail.centrum.cz> no, ale zajimalo by me kdy to chcou obednat. je tam docela dost lidi kteri to este nezaplatili..... nema tu nahodou nekdo ontakt na nekoho kdo to tam spravuje nebo ma nastarosti? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Ondrej Tesar > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:27:51 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi obednavka PLS? > > No z te prvni varky mi dve desky jedou. Zatim testovano na stole. V > terenu snad pristi tyden. Dalsi jsou ve stavbe. > Dalsi objednavy jsou myslim na http://twister.horky.net/ > > OndraT > > JM> nedavno sem se na to ptal, ale ptam se zas... jak to vypada s dalsi hrodnou (hromadnejsi) obednavkou pls na Twistra? ja bych je uz docela i chtel :).... se totiz nemuzu dockat az to I ME pojede > JM> :)...... jo, neni nekde nahodou naky seznam tech kterym uz tvistr jede? jesi ne mozna by ho bylo dobre vyrobit :) > > > > > > JM> _______________________________________________ > JM> Ronja mailing list > JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 14 19:52:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 14 19:52:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: ronjitko In-Reply-To: <20040614142439.GA26438@frvsb.ms.mff.cuni.cz>; from tichy@math.cas.cz on Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 04:24:39PM +0200 References: <20040613183119.GA21277@frvsb.ms.mff.cuni.cz> <20040614132414.A1217@beton.cybernet.src> <20040614142439.GA26438@frvsb.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040614185247.A1719@beton.cybernet.src> > Je na vyrobu potreba nejake specialni vybaveni? Priznam se, ze jsem zatim > nemel cas studovat dokumentaci od toho... Neni. Viz dokumentace. Cl< From gareth at sublime.org Tue Jun 15 00:37:43 2004 From: gareth at sublime.org (Gareth Coleman) Date: Tue Jun 15 00:35:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB Message-ID: <000e01c45268$9756c8a0$3200000a@bronzebeauty> Hiya ronja people, (sorry I have to use English.) I was studying the plans again and noticed: The transmitter schematic has three different tuning resistors labelled R13 and the two higher R13's - 33k and 39k don't appear on the parts list. In the tetropolis testing section, "Bigger R6 gives better amplification" refers to R106? Same section: "Manipulate the value of the resistor that is between pins 14 and 1 of the triple chip in the transmitter" refers to R8? On the receiver schematic it indicates adjusting R102 to tune P102 - should this read R104? Twister does not have a R54 - correct? Or C67-70,C73-74? When choosing a ferrite bead to thread cables through should I put one on each end? Should I choose beads with exact holes to match diameter of the cables or much bigger holes to allow for several turns? Can I replace the switches with jumpers with no issues apart from more difficulty setting up? I would like to use N-type connectors (or similar) to attach the tx and rx leads (on twister end). Any problems anticipated? I am considering using a temperature module to automatically switch the heating on when required and off when not required. Have you any experience of the temperature range that requires heating activated or should I just experiment? Or is this idea flawed? I am considering using potentiometers to aid in tuning the resistors - will their values be stable long-term? I noticed that because twister has lots of capacitors the codes C101-C112 are present on both the Twister and Receiver. I know it doesn't affect function at all but if you were able to renumber the receiver circuits (say base number of 25) then there would be less possible confusion with non-expert electronics people. Also for anyone else struggling to get hold of 74HC133 in UK try cpc - http://custom1.farnell.com/cpc/. Their search function is awful - which is why I missed it in the first place. The product code is SC74HC13366. I'm ordering parts next week (hopefully) so if anyone wants me to get them something they can't buy easily then just ask and maybe I can post you. I'm having trouble tracking down the HPWT-BD00-F4000 LED. If anyone has bought a rail of them and would let me buy three or four then please let me know. Have you considered the LXHL-BD01 as alternative? Datasheet is at www.lumileds.com/pdfs/protected/DS25.PDF. I can't fully follow the data but the drive current of 350mA and the precautions about overheating must make it quite powerful! Many thanks in advance ------------------------ Gareth Coleman From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Jun 15 13:54:59 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Jun 15 13:55:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody In-Reply-To: <000d01c45131$76fdac00$2380a8c0@net> References: <4913700847.20040613120947@volny.cz><000701c4512e$d75601e0$2380a8c0@net> <001101c45130$20208a20$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz> <000d01c45131$76fdac00$2380a8c0@net> Message-ID: <1087304099.40cef1a3437bb@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Prusvih diod L-SLD6510A a L-SLD6505A z GME je ten ze udavany vykon 10 a 5mW je maximalni pulsni. Trvale jdou provozovat na cca 4 a 1mW. Pokud jsi pouhym okem videl odraz na 800m, tak zivotnost diody pri takovem vykonu je nekoli hodin. Cituji z emailu od KPR : > Vzdyt ano,tyto diody jsou z ukazovatek. Jenze je musis pouzit samostatne > (=s > vlastnim obvodem),ne s tim regulacnim obvodem co byva v ukazovatku. > L-SLD6510A se mi libi protoze ma docela slusny vykon 10mW , pri dobre > optice > jsem dosahl i velmi dobre divegence a dosahu pres 800m. Dal jsem nevidel uz > svym okem,ale myslim ze by to zvladlo. > Jedna se mi hlavne o to jestli muze prenaset 10Mbit sirku pasma? a jestli > nekdo nezkousel navrhnout vlastni obvod co by trosku ridil proud do > diody,protoze to preci jen potreba je. > > KPR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cejvik" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] laser diody > > > > Ahoj, > taky se nad tim pozastavuju... Napr. jsem si rikal proc nepouzit na kratsi > vzdalenosti diody z "laserovych ukazovatek" > __________________ > Vladim?r "Cejvik" B?lek > www.mohelnice.net > Tel. 723 13 29 29 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KPR" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:11 PM > Subject: [Ronja] laser diody > > > > Zdravim, > > zkouseli jste nekdo pouzit lasery misto LED ? > > konkretne mam na mysli prodavane typy (GME Praha) L-SLD6510A nebo > > L-SLD6505A. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From caffr at seznam.cz Tue Jun 15 17:44:42 2004 From: caffr at seznam.cz (caffr) Date: Tue Jun 15 17:44:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka Message-ID: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> Cau, dosly uz nekomu postou ty tistaky, co nechaval delat Kneza? Ptam se proto, ze mne jeste furt ne. Na www.poupe.net/RonjaPCB je, ze predano = ANO, ale stale nic. Kneza na mail nereaguje. Nemate na neho nekdo telefon? Diky ____________________________________________________________ Exkluzivn?: Nov? Porsche 911 ? poj?te se sv?zt s n?mi http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74904 From kneza at poupe.net Tue Jun 15 17:53:54 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Tue Jun 15 17:53:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka In-Reply-To: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <40CF29A2.4090505@poupe.net> grrrrr ;-))) Tistaky jsem dneska poslal ;o) predano=ano znamena ze jsou v obalce (kdyz jsem to tam psal a VSEM posilal mail) a ted i poslany. Krasny den Kneza caffr wrote: > Cau, > dosly uz nekomu postou ty tistaky, co nechaval delat Kneza? Ptam se proto, ze mne jeste furt ne. Na www.poupe.net/RonjaPCB je, ze predano = ANO, ale stale nic. Kneza na mail nereaguje. Nemate na neho nekdo telefon? > Diky From kpr at seznam.cz Tue Jun 15 17:56:01 2004 From: kpr at seznam.cz (KPR) Date: Tue Jun 15 17:55:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] laser diody References: <4913700847.20040613120947@volny.cz><000701c4512e$d75601e0$2380a8c0@net><001101c45130$20208a20$0101a8c0@lano.rps.cz><000d01c45131$76fdac00$2380a8c0@net> <1087304099.40cef1a3437bb@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <002301c452f9$a38ede00$2380a8c0@net> Tezko rict. L-SLD6510A pouzivam v jednom svem sbastlenem zarizeni, a bezi tam uz pres pul roku , priblizne bezi na 75% vykonu. Spis myslim ze je to otazka chlazeni diody, a nesmi byt prekrocen limitni proud. To jsem nejak tak vyresil. Nikomu by ovsem nebranilo dat 4x laser vedle sebe. Sice by to bylo problematicky seridit souosost vsech paprsku,ale suma sumarum na druhy strane by se to stejne chytlo do cocky a dal do pin diody. KPR ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] laser diody Prusvih diod L-SLD6510A a L-SLD6505A z GME je ten ze udavany vykon 10 a 5mW je maximalni pulsni. Trvale jdou provozovat na cca 4 a 1mW. Pokud jsi pouhym okem videl odraz na 800m, tak zivotnost diody pri takovem vykonu je nekoli hodin. Cituji z emailu od KPR : > Vzdyt ano,tyto diody jsou z ukazovatek. Jenze je musis pouzit samostatne > (=s > vlastnim obvodem),ne s tim regulacnim obvodem co byva v ukazovatku. > L-SLD6510A se mi libi protoze ma docela slusny vykon 10mW , pri dobre > optice > jsem dosahl i velmi dobre divegence a dosahu pres 800m. Dal jsem nevidel uz > svym okem,ale myslim ze by to zvladlo. > Jedna se mi hlavne o to jestli muze prenaset 10Mbit sirku pasma? a jestli > nekdo nezkousel navrhnout vlastni obvod co by trosku ridil proud do > diody,protoze to preci jen potreba je. > > KPR From steebe at seznam.cz Tue Jun 15 18:01:06 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Tue Jun 15 18:01:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40CF29A2.4090505@poupe.net> Message-ID: <002001c452fa$61bd8b10$0581000a@steebe> a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > grrrrr ;-))) > Tistaky jsem dneska poslal ;o) > predano=ano znamena ze jsou v obalce (kdyz jsem to tam psal a VSEM > posilal mail) a ted i poslany. > Krasny den > Kneza > > caffr wrote: > > Cau, > > dosly uz nekomu postou ty tistaky, co nechaval delat Kneza? Ptam se proto, ze mne jeste furt ne. Na www.poupe.net/RonjaPCB je, ze predano = ANO, ale stale nic. Kneza na mail nereaguje. Nemate na neho nekdo telefon? > > Diky > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kneza at poupe.net Tue Jun 15 18:33:43 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Tue Jun 15 18:34:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka In-Reply-To: <002001c452fa$61bd8b10$0581000a@steebe> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40CF29A2.4090505@poupe.net> <002001c452fa$61bd8b10$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <40CF32F7.8050803@poupe.net> Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco krytyho at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) Kneza Steebe wrote: > a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > >>grrrrr ;-))) >>Tistaky jsem dneska poslal ;o) >>predano=ano znamena ze jsou v obalce (kdyz jsem to tam psal a VSEM >>posilal mail) a ted i poslany. >>Krasny den >>Kneza >> >>caffr wrote: >> >>>Cau, >>>dosly uz nekomu postou ty tistaky, co nechaval delat Kneza? Ptam se > > proto, ze mne jeste furt ne. Na www.poupe.net/RonjaPCB je, ze predano = ANO, > ale stale nic. Kneza na mail nereaguje. Nemate na neho nekdo telefon? > >>>Diky >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From steebe at seznam.cz Tue Jun 15 18:50:02 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Tue Jun 15 18:50:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40CF29A2.4090505@poupe.net><002001c452fa$61bd8b10$0581000a@steebe> <40CF32F7.8050803@poupe.net> Message-ID: <000801c45301$31cce200$0581000a@steebe> Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco krytyho at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) Kneza Steebe wrote: > a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Tue Jun 15 18:52:19 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Tue Jun 15 18:52:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka In-Reply-To: <000801c45301$31cce200$0581000a@steebe> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40CF29A2.4090505@poupe.net><002001c452fa$61bd8b10$0581000a@steebe> <40CF32F7.8050803@poupe.net> <000801c45301$31cce200$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <40CF3753.2050605@poupe.net> mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet ;-) Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( Mate nekdo nejaky napad? Kneza Steebe wrote: > Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco krytyho > at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) > > Kneza > > > Steebe wrote: > >>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > From steebe at seznam.cz Tue Jun 15 19:01:51 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Tue Jun 15 19:02:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40CF29A2.4090505@poupe.net><002001c452fa$61bd8b10$0581000a@steebe> <40CF32F7.8050803@poupe.net><000801c45301$31cce200$0581000a@steebe> <40CF3753.2050605@poupe.net> Message-ID: <001701c45302$e41bbe80$0581000a@steebe> Letna neco pred patou . mas nejaky podrobnejsi misto pro mimo prazske ? ... nejaka mapka :) atd ? urcite to bude nejaka hospa :) bohuzel nebude cas moc pokecat :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet ;-) Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( Mate nekdo nejaky napad? Kneza _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Jun 15 21:02:22 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Jun 15 21:03:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka Message-ID: <20040615200230Z1301833-4406+73182@mail.centrum.cz> a nezbyly ti nahodou treba 2 tistacky? ja bych vedel jak snima nalozit :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:33:43 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco krytyho > at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) > > Kneza > > > Steebe wrote: > > a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > > > > >>grrrrr ;-))) > >>Tistaky jsem dneska poslal ;o) > >>predano=ano znamena ze jsou v obalce (kdyz jsem to tam psal a VSEM > >>posilal mail) a ted i poslany. > >>Krasny den > >>Kneza > >> > >>caffr wrote: > >> > >>>Cau, > >>>dosly uz nekomu postou ty tistaky, co nechaval delat Kneza? Ptam se > > > > proto, ze mne jeste furt ne. Na www.poupe.net/RonjaPCB je, ze predano = ANO, > > ale stale nic. Kneza na mail nereaguje. Nemate na neho nekdo telefon? > > > >>>Diky > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From bratrk at centrum.cz Tue Jun 15 21:49:22 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Tue Jun 15 21:49:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40CF29A2.4090505@poupe.net><002001c452fa$61bd8b10$0581000a@steebe> <40CF32F7.8050803@poupe.net> <000801c45301$31cce200$0581000a@steebe> <40CF3753.2050605@poupe.net> Message-ID: <002101c4531a$3d3b7b60$020a210a@marekbk> Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo silikagelu.... Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. bk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet ;-) > Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( > > Mate nekdo nejaky napad? > Kneza > > > > Steebe wrote: > > Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > > > Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco krytyho > > at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) > > > > Kneza > > > > > > Steebe wrote: > > > >>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > >>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > > > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM > >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From kneza at poupe.net Tue Jun 15 21:50:41 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Tue Jun 15 21:50:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka In-Reply-To: <002101c4531a$3d3b7b60$020a210a@marekbk> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40CF29A2.4090505@poupe.net><002001c452fa$61bd8b10$0581000a@steebe> <40CF32F7.8050803@poupe.net> <000801c45301$31cce200$0581000a@steebe> <40CF3753.2050605@poupe.net> <002101c4531a$3d3b7b60$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <40CF6121.8000205@poupe.net> Vis jaky bylo pocasi.. a pry nema byt moc lepsi.. Kneza bratrk wrote: > Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo silikagelu.... > > Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. > > bk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > >>mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet ;-) >>Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( >> >>Mate nekdo nejaky napad? >>Kneza >> >> >> >>Steebe wrote: >> >>>Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>> >>> >>>Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco krytyho >>>at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) >>> >>>Kneza >>> >>> >>>Steebe wrote: >>> >>> >>>>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" >>> >>> >>> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Jun 16 00:05:43 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Jun 16 00:05:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka In-Reply-To: <40CF6121.8000205@poupe.net> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <002101c4531a$3d3b7b60$020a210a@marekbk> <40CF6121.8000205@poupe.net> Message-ID: <200406160105.44130.ladmanj@volny.cz> S tou letnou neblbnete!!!! Je velka pravdepodobnost, ze bude chcat a tam se neni kam schovat. A propos zmoklej silikagel je napikachu. Jakub PS: Kolik budes chtit za ten silikagel? On Tuesday 15 of June 2004 22:50, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > Vis jaky bylo pocasi.. a pry nema byt moc lepsi.. Kneza > > bratrk wrote: > > Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo silikagelu.... > > > > Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. > > > > bk > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > >>mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet ;-) > >>Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( > >> > >>Mate nekdo nejaky napad? > >>Kneza > >> > >>Steebe wrote: > >>>Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > >>> > >>> > >>>Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco krytyho > >>>at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) > >>> > >>>Kneza > >>> > >>>Steebe wrote: > >>>>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > >>>>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM > >>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From andy at intercomp.info Wed Jun 16 02:50:01 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Wed Jun 16 02:38:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Red light problem Message-ID: <33174.213.77.122.1.1087350601.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> I was build Twister. I switched Twister to PC mode, and then Yellow and RED diode is lighting! I pluged it into PC and then RED diode is still lighting. I check the topology and values. All is OK. What's happend ??? From andy at intercomp.info Wed Jun 16 02:58:24 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Wed Jun 16 02:46:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Red light problem Message-ID: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> I must add that I use Equivalents like: AM26LS31, AM26LS32. Capatitors ceramic: not 50V but 60V. Electrolytic Capacitors: not 10V but 16V And I'm building AW-Twister. From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 16 06:14:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 16 06:14:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Red light problem In-Reply-To: <33174.213.77.122.1.1087350601.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl>; from andy@intercomp.info on Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 03:50:01AM +0200 References: <33174.213.77.122.1.1087350601.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040616051409.B9606@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 03:50:01AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > I was build Twister. > I switched Twister to PC mode, and then Yellow and RED diode is lighting! > I pluged it into PC and then RED diode is still lighting. > I check the topology and values. All is OK. What's happend ??? Did you build PCB or airwire? Did you decline from the guide in any way? Red shining light means the twister thinks that the PC is transmitting. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 16 06:15:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 16 06:15:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Red light problem In-Reply-To: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl>; from andy@intercomp.info on Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 03:58:24AM +0200 References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040616051515.C9606@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 03:58:24AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > I must add that I use Equivalents like: AM26LS31, AM26LS32. > Capatitors ceramic: not 50V but 60V. > Electrolytic Capacitors: not 10V but 16V > > And I'm building AW-Twister. I guess you must have a bug in the wiring somewhere. Cl< From jkrul at seznam.cz Wed Jun 16 06:54:36 2004 From: jkrul at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jir=ED_Krul?=) Date: Wed Jun 16 06:54:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Red light problem References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040616051515.C9606@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <007001c45366$67dca6e0$0414a8c0@pc> Use capacitors for wide voltage scale is good. I guess you must have a bug in the wiring somewhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Red light problem > On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 03:58:24AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > > I must add that I use Equivalents like: AM26LS31, AM26LS32. > > Capatitors ceramic: not 50V but 60V. > > Electrolytic Capacitors: not 10V but 16V > > > > And I'm building AW-Twister. > > I guess you must have a bug in the wiring somewhere. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 16 13:36:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 16 13:36:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB In-Reply-To: <000e01c45268$9756c8a0$3200000a@bronzebeauty>; from gareth@sublime.org on Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 12:37:43AM +0100 References: <000e01c45268$9756c8a0$3200000a@bronzebeauty> Message-ID: <20040616123629.A10522@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 12:37:43AM +0100, Gareth Coleman wrote: > Hiya ronja people, (sorry I have to use English.) > > I was studying the plans again and noticed: > > The transmitter schematic has three different tuning resistors labelled > R13 and the two higher R13's - 33k and 39k don't appear on the parts > list. Thanks for bugreport. Fixed. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 16 13:45:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 16 13:45:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB In-Reply-To: <000e01c45268$9756c8a0$3200000a@bronzebeauty>; from gareth@sublime.org on Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 12:37:43AM +0100 References: <000e01c45268$9756c8a0$3200000a@bronzebeauty> Message-ID: <20040616124518.A10541@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 12:37:43AM +0100, Gareth Coleman wrote: > Hiya ronja people, (sorry I have to use English.) > > I was studying the plans again and noticed: [...] > In the tetropolis testing section, "Bigger R6 gives better > amplification" refers to R106? Thanks for bugreport. Refers to R106. Fixed. Cl< From bratrk at centrum.cz Wed Jun 16 16:31:06 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Wed Jun 16 16:31:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <002101c4531a$3d3b7b60$020a210a@marekbk> <40CF6121.8000205@poupe.net> <200406160105.44130.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <001901c453b6$f14d1310$020a210a@marekbk> Zmoklej silikagel se da regenerovat, stejnak ho musis regenerovat nez ho das do trubky... Je streda, tak kam to bude? bk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > S tou letnou neblbnete!!!! > Je velka pravdepodobnost, ze bude chcat a tam se neni kam schovat. > A propos zmoklej silikagel je napikachu. > Jakub > PS: Kolik budes chtit za ten silikagel? > On Tuesday 15 of June 2004 22:50, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > > Vis jaky bylo pocasi.. a pry nema byt moc lepsi.. Kneza > > > > bratrk wrote: > > > Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo silikagelu.... > > > > > > Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. > > > > > > bk > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > > >>mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet ;-) > > >>Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( > > >> > > >>Mate nekdo nejaky napad? > > >>Kneza > > >> > > >>Steebe wrote: > > >>>Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > > >>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM > > >>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco krytyho > > >>>at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) > > >>> > > >>>Kneza > > >>> > > >>>Steebe wrote: > > >>>>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > >>>>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM > > >>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Ronja mailing list > > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From kneza at poupe.net Wed Jun 16 17:18:53 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Wed Jun 16 17:18:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? In-Reply-To: <001901c453b6$f14d1310$020a210a@marekbk> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <002101c4531a$3d3b7b60$020a210a@marekbk> <40CF6121.8000205@poupe.net> <200406160105.44130.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001901c453b6$f14d1310$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <40D072ED.8030300@poupe.net> Jine misto nez letna - KAM???? Kneza bratrk wrote: > Zmoklej silikagel se da regenerovat, stejnak ho musis regenerovat nez ho das > do trubky... > > Je streda, tak kam to bude? > > bk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > >>S tou letnou neblbnete!!!! >>Je velka pravdepodobnost, ze bude chcat a tam se neni kam schovat. >>A propos zmoklej silikagel je napikachu. >>Jakub >>PS: Kolik budes chtit za ten silikagel? >>On Tuesday 15 of June 2004 22:50, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: >> >>>Vis jaky bylo pocasi.. a pry nema byt moc lepsi.. Kneza >>> >>>bratrk wrote: >>> >>>>Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo > > silikagelu.... > >>>>Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. >>>> >>>>bk >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>>> >>>> >>>>>mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet ;-) >>>>>Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( >>>>> >>>>>Mate nekdo nejaky napad? >>>>>Kneza >>>>> >>>>>Steebe wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco > > krytyho > >>>>>>at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>>Kneza >>>>>> >>>>>>Steebe wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>>>>>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Jun 16 17:26:29 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Jun 16 17:27:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka Message-ID: <20040616162638Z1300953-4408+98760@mail.centrum.cz> mohl bys mi ten silikagel poslat postou? zhruba tak pul kila presne bysme se este domluvili. jenom jesi by to slo postou...? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "bratrk" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:49:22 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo silikagelu.... > > Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. > > bk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet ;-) > > Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( > > > > Mate nekdo nejaky napad? > > Kneza > > > > > > > > Steebe wrote: > > > Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > > > > > > Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco krytyho > > > at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) > > > > > > Kneza > > > > > > > > > Steebe wrote: > > > > > >>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) > > >> > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > >>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > > > > > > > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM > > >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 16 18:34:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 16 18:34:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB In-Reply-To: ; from Mailer-Daemon@twibright.com on Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 01:10:06PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20040616173443.B11080@beton.cybernet.src> > Same section: "Manipulate the value of the resistor that is between pins 14 > and 1 of the triple chip in the transmitter" refers to R8? I rewritten it to R8. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 16 18:35:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 16 18:35:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB In-Reply-To: ; from Mailer-Daemon@twibright.com on Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 01:13:33PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20040616173513.C11080@beton.cybernet.src> Gareth Coleman wrote: > On the receiver schematic it indicates adjusting R102 to tune P102 - should > this read R104? I read "for adjusting R104" in the receiver schematic. Are you sure? Where exactly is the bug? Cl< From hrabec at ramgate.cz Wed Jun 16 18:55:22 2004 From: hrabec at ramgate.cz (Josef Hrabec) Date: Wed Jun 16 18:55:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <002101c4531a$3d3b7b60$020a210a@marekbk> <40CF6121.8000205@poupe.net><200406160105.44130.ladmanj@volny.cz><001901c453b6$f14d1310$020a210a@marekbk> <40D072ED.8030300@poupe.net> Message-ID: <003d01c453cb$18a77270$1e01a8c0@pupak> je to jedno, nejlip nekde v centru - kam to mas nejbliz.... co ja vim, treba na masarycce - clovek si tam muze dat neco k obcerstveni a pritom koukat na vlacky a navic je to cele pod strechou.... :-) Pepa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? > Jine misto nez letna - KAM???? > Kneza > > bratrk wrote: > > Zmoklej silikagel se da regenerovat, stejnak ho musis regenerovat nez ho das > > do trubky... > > > > Je streda, tak kam to bude? > > > > bk > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > > > > >>S tou letnou neblbnete!!!! > >>Je velka pravdepodobnost, ze bude chcat a tam se neni kam schovat. > >>A propos zmoklej silikagel je napikachu. > >>Jakub > >>PS: Kolik budes chtit za ten silikagel? > >>On Tuesday 15 of June 2004 22:50, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > >> > >>>Vis jaky bylo pocasi.. a pry nema byt moc lepsi.. Kneza > >>> > >>>bratrk wrote: > >>> > >>>>Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo > > > > silikagelu.... > > > >>>>Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. > >>>> > >>>>bk > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > >>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM > >>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet ;-) > >>>>>Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( > >>>>> > >>>>>Mate nekdo nejaky napad? > >>>>>Kneza > >>>>> > >>>>>Steebe wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > >>>>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco > > > > krytyho > > > >>>>>>at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Kneza > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Steebe wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > >>>>>>>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM > >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From bratrk at centrum.cz Wed Jun 16 20:38:47 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Wed Jun 16 20:38:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka References: <20040616162638Z1300953-4408+98760@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001b01c453d9$8b4a5690$020a210a@marekbk> Jo slo by to, na dobirku zhruba za cenu baliku. bk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > mohl bys mi ten silikagel poslat postou? zhruba tak pul kila presne bysme se este domluvili. jenom jesi by to slo postou...? > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: "bratrk" > > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > > CC: > > Datum: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:49:22 +0200 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo silikagelu.... > > > > Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. > > > > bk > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > > > > mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet ;-) > > > Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( > > > > > > Mate nekdo nejaky napad? > > > Kneza > > > > > > > > > > > > Steebe wrote: > > > > Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > > > > > > > > > Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco krytyho > > > > at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) > > > > > > > > Kneza > > > > > > > > > > > > Steebe wrote: > > > > > > > >>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me :) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > >>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > > >>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM > > > >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From gareth at sublime.org Wed Jun 16 23:43:56 2004 From: gareth at sublime.org (Gareth Coleman) Date: Wed Jun 16 23:41:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB Message-ID: <001601c453f3$68b1fd30$3200000a@bronzebeauty> Re R102/104 confusion on http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png I saw in the top left R123 and R124 are defined for tuning R104 In the table at bottom left the measuring point P102 adjust is given as R102 I now think (remembering dusty school electronics) that R102 & R104 form a voltage divider so it may be correct that you can adjust either! Also can I just buy any old sort of ceramic and electrolytic capacitor? Doesn't matter if high or low K? thermal co-efficient? Many many thanks ------------------------ Gareth Coleman From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 17 10:20:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 17 10:20:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB In-Reply-To: <001601c453f3$68b1fd30$3200000a@bronzebeauty> References: <001601c453f3$68b1fd30$3200000a@bronzebeauty> Message-ID: <20040617092023.GA924@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 11:43:56PM +0100, Gareth Coleman wrote: > Re R102/104 confusion on > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > > I saw in the top left R123 and R124 are defined for tuning R104 > > In the table at bottom left the measuring point P102 adjust is given as > R102 Thanks, fixed. > > I now think (remembering dusty school electronics) that R102 & R104 form > a voltage divider so it may be correct that you can adjust either! No, R104 was meant :) > Also can I just buy any old sort of ceramic and electrolytic capacitor? > Doesn't matter if high or low K? > thermal co-efficient? Doesn't matter, if it isn't explicitly stated in part list. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 17 10:22:54 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 17 10:24:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? In-Reply-To: <003d01c453cb$18a77270$1e01a8c0@pupak> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40D072ED.8030300@poupe.net> <003d01c453cb$18a77270$1e01a8c0@pupak> Message-ID: <200406171122.54649.ladmanj@volny.cz> Ovsem ted je v tom docela chaos. Je hezky tudiz tak ta Letna neni zas tak od veci :-) Prizpusobim se leccemu, jen vedet, kam tedy jet. Moc bych to chtel dneska zvladnout. Nejradsi bych uz zhavil mikropajku. Jakub PS: Pro vsechny pripady, muj tel. je 604512554 On Wednesday 16 of June 2004 19:55, Josef Hrabec wrote: > je to jedno, nejlip nekde v centru - kam to mas nejbliz.... co ja vim, > treba na masarycce - clovek si tam muze dat neco k obcerstveni a pritom > koukat na vlacky a navic je to cele pod strechou.... :-) > Pepa > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 6:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? > > > Jine misto nez letna - KAM???? > > Kneza > > > > bratrk wrote: > > > Zmoklej silikagel se da regenerovat, stejnak ho musis regenerovat nez > > > ho > > das > > > > do trubky... > > > > > > Je streda, tak kam to bude? > > > > > > bk > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:05 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > > > > >>S tou letnou neblbnete!!!! > > >>Je velka pravdepodobnost, ze bude chcat a tam se neni kam schovat. > > >>A propos zmoklej silikagel je napikachu. > > >>Jakub > > >>PS: Kolik budes chtit za ten silikagel? > > >> > > >>On Tuesday 15 of June 2004 22:50, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > > >>>Vis jaky bylo pocasi.. a pry nema byt moc lepsi.. Kneza > > >>> > > >>>bratrk wrote: > > >>>>Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo > > > > > > silikagelu.... > > > > > >>>>Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. > > >>>> > > >>>>bk > > >>>> > > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > >>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM > > >>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > >>>> > > >>>>>mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet > > >>>>> ;-) Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Mate nekdo nejaky napad? > > >>>>>Kneza > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Steebe wrote: > > >>>>>>Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > >>>>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > > >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM > > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco > > > > > > krytyho > > > > > >>>>>>at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>Kneza > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>Steebe wrote: > > >>>>>>>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me > > >>>>>>> :) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > >>>>>>>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM > > >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > > >>>>> > > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>>>Ronja mailing list > > >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >>>> > > >>>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>>Ronja mailing list > > >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>Ronja mailing list > > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Ronja mailing list > > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Thu Jun 17 10:26:14 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Thu Jun 17 10:26:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? In-Reply-To: <200406171122.54649.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40D072ED.8030300@poupe.net> <003d01c453cb$18a77270$1e01a8c0@pupak> <200406171122.54649.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <40D163B6.1000104@poupe.net> Mno jako ja taky nevim kde teda ;-))) jediny co vim, ze od 16ti hod ;-) Kneza Jakub Ladman wrote: > Ovsem ted je v tom docela chaos. > Je hezky tudiz tak ta Letna neni zas tak od veci :-) > Prizpusobim se leccemu, jen vedet, kam tedy jet. > Moc bych to chtel dneska zvladnout. > Nejradsi bych uz zhavil mikropajku. > Jakub > PS: Pro vsechny pripady, muj tel. je 604512554 > > On Wednesday 16 of June 2004 19:55, Josef Hrabec wrote: > >>je to jedno, nejlip nekde v centru - kam to mas nejbliz.... co ja vim, >>treba na masarycce - clovek si tam muze dat neco k obcerstveni a pritom >>koukat na vlacky a navic je to cele pod strechou.... :-) >>Pepa >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 6:18 PM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? >> >> >>>Jine misto nez letna - KAM???? >>>Kneza >>> >>>bratrk wrote: >>> >>>>Zmoklej silikagel se da regenerovat, stejnak ho musis regenerovat nez >>>>ho >> >>das >> >> >>>>do trubky... >>>> >>>>Je streda, tak kam to bude? >>>> >>>>bk >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Jakub Ladman" >>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:05 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>>> >>>> >>>>>S tou letnou neblbnete!!!! >>>>>Je velka pravdepodobnost, ze bude chcat a tam se neni kam schovat. >>>>>A propos zmoklej silikagel je napikachu. >>>>>Jakub >>>>>PS: Kolik budes chtit za ten silikagel? >>>>> >>>>>On Tuesday 15 of June 2004 22:50, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Vis jaky bylo pocasi.. a pry nema byt moc lepsi.. Kneza >>>>>> >>>>>>bratrk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo >>>> >>>>silikagelu.... >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>bk >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>>>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet >>>>>>>>;-) Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Mate nekdo nejaky napad? >>>>>>>>Kneza >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Steebe wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>>>>>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco >>>> >>>>krytyho >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Kneza >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Steebe wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me >>>>>>>>>>:) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>>>>>>>>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 17 10:38:30 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 17 10:45:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? In-Reply-To: <40D163B6.1000104@poupe.net> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <200406171122.54649.ladmanj@volny.cz> <40D163B6.1000104@poupe.net> Message-ID: <200406171138.30771.ladmanj@volny.cz> Tak to m?me 1/4 pot?ebn?ch informac?, co se t??e pohybu ve ?ty?rozm?rn?m prostoru. Jakub On Thursday 17 of June 2004 11:26, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > Mno jako ja taky nevim kde teda ;-))) jediny co vim, ze od 16ti hod ;-) > Kneza > > Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Ovsem ted je v tom docela chaos. > > Je hezky tudiz tak ta Letna neni zas tak od veci :-) > > Prizpusobim se leccemu, jen vedet, kam tedy jet. > > Moc bych to chtel dneska zvladnout. > > Nejradsi bych uz zhavil mikropajku. > > Jakub > > PS: Pro vsechny pripady, muj tel. je 604512554 > > > > On Wednesday 16 of June 2004 19:55, Josef Hrabec wrote: > >>je to jedno, nejlip nekde v centru - kam to mas nejbliz.... co ja vim, > >>treba na masarycce - clovek si tam muze dat neco k obcerstveni a pritom > >>koukat na vlacky a navic je to cele pod strechou.... :-) > >>Pepa > >> > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > >>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 6:18 PM > >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? > >> > >>>Jine misto nez letna - KAM???? > >>>Kneza > >>> > >>>bratrk wrote: > >>>>Zmoklej silikagel se da regenerovat, stejnak ho musis regenerovat nez > >>>>ho > >> > >>das > >> > >>>>do trubky... > >>>> > >>>>Je streda, tak kam to bude? > >>>> > >>>>bk > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "Jakub Ladman" > >>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:05 AM > >>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > >>>> > >>>>>S tou letnou neblbnete!!!! > >>>>>Je velka pravdepodobnost, ze bude chcat a tam se neni kam schovat. > >>>>>A propos zmoklej silikagel je napikachu. > >>>>>Jakub > >>>>>PS: Kolik budes chtit za ten silikagel? > >>>>> > >>>>>On Tuesday 15 of June 2004 22:50, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > >>>>>>Vis jaky bylo pocasi.. a pry nema byt moc lepsi.. Kneza > >>>>>> > >>>>>>bratrk wrote: > >>>>>>>Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo > >>>> > >>>>silikagelu.... > >>>> > >>>>>>>Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>bk > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > >>>>>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM > >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet > >>>>>>>>;-) Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Mate nekdo nejaky napad? > >>>>>>>>Kneza > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Steebe wrote: > >>>>>>>>>Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > >>>>>>>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" > >>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco > >>>> > >>>>krytyho > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Kneza > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Steebe wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>:) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > >>>>>>>>>>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM > >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>>>> > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Ronja mailing list > >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Ronja mailing list > >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Thu Jun 17 10:51:33 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Thu Jun 17 10:51:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? In-Reply-To: <200406171138.30771.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <200406171122.54649.ladmanj@volny.cz> <40D163B6.1000104@poupe.net> <200406171138.30771.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <40D169A5.60300@poupe.net> To je fajn prece ;-) grrr asi skoncime na letny jak to vypada ;-) Kneza Jakub Ladman wrote: > Tak to m?me 1/4 pot?ebn?ch informac?, co se t??e pohybu ve ?ty?rozm?rn?m > prostoru. > Jakub > On Thursday 17 of June 2004 11:26, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > >>Mno jako ja taky nevim kde teda ;-))) jediny co vim, ze od 16ti hod ;-) >>Kneza >> >>Jakub Ladman wrote: >> >>>Ovsem ted je v tom docela chaos. >>>Je hezky tudiz tak ta Letna neni zas tak od veci :-) >>>Prizpusobim se leccemu, jen vedet, kam tedy jet. >>>Moc bych to chtel dneska zvladnout. >>>Nejradsi bych uz zhavil mikropajku. >>>Jakub >>>PS: Pro vsechny pripady, muj tel. je 604512554 >>> >>>On Wednesday 16 of June 2004 19:55, Josef Hrabec wrote: >>> >>>>je to jedno, nejlip nekde v centru - kam to mas nejbliz.... co ja vim, >>>>treba na masarycce - clovek si tam muze dat neco k obcerstveni a pritom >>>>koukat na vlacky a navic je to cele pod strechou.... :-) >>>>Pepa >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 6:18 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? >>>> >>>> >>>>>Jine misto nez letna - KAM???? >>>>>Kneza >>>>> >>>>>bratrk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Zmoklej silikagel se da regenerovat, stejnak ho musis regenerovat nez >>>>>>ho >>>> >>>>das >>>> >>>> >>>>>>do trubky... >>>>>> >>>>>>Je streda, tak kam to bude? >>>>>> >>>>>>bk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Jakub Ladman" >>>>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:05 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>S tou letnou neblbnete!!!! >>>>>>>Je velka pravdepodobnost, ze bude chcat a tam se neni kam schovat. >>>>>>>A propos zmoklej silikagel je napikachu. >>>>>>>Jakub >>>>>>>PS: Kolik budes chtit za ten silikagel? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tuesday 15 of June 2004 22:50, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Vis jaky bylo pocasi.. a pry nema byt moc lepsi.. Kneza >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>bratrk wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hlavne to neplanujte nikam daleko, potahnu s sebou 10 kilo >>>>>> >>>>>>silikagelu.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Ja myslim ze ta letna nebude tak spatna.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>bk >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>>>>>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:52 PM >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>mno nebudu behat po metru ;-) Nejake misto kde by se dalo posedet >>>>>>>>>>;-) Kdyztak ta letna no ;-( >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Mate nekdo nejaky napad? >>>>>>>>>>Kneza >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Steebe wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Mno co treba folrenc muzeum ? ... a kolem 5 vecer ? :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>>>>>>>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:33 PM >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Navrhni misto ve ctvrtek od 16ti hodin do vecera a radsi neco >>>>>> >>>>>>krytyho >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>at to nedopadne jak minule na letny ;-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Kneza >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Steebe wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>a nejaky datum predani osobne ? kdy kde ? my si te odchyt?me >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>:) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" >>>>>>>>>>>>To: "caffr" ; "Twibright Ronja" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:53 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezourka >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From steebe at seznam.cz Thu Jun 17 11:19:23 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?kkk=20kkk?=) Date: Thu Jun 17 11:19:27 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Tistaky=20od=20Knezi=20=2D=20Ve=20ctvrtek=20sraz=20=2D=20KDEE=3F=3F=3F=3F?= In-Reply-To: <40D163B6.1000104@poupe.net> Message-ID: <406391.5548688-21984-1517969478-1087467563@email.seznam.cz> Ehm mno ja sice nestiham do prague ale poslu tam pro to kamarada . on presne vi co ma delat :-) akorat letna to je dost sirokey pojem .. co takhle opravdu nejakou mapku nebo odkazek s upravenou mapkou ? :-D pro mimoprazske by se to urcite hodilo .. silicagel vemte :) Zdar Steebe ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? Datum (Date): 17. 6. 2004 11:26 ================================================== > Mno jako ja taky nevim kde teda ;-))) jediny co vim, ze od 16ti hod ;-) > Kneza > > Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Ovsem ted je v tom docela chaos. > > Je hezky tudiz tak ta Letna neni zas tak od veci :-) > > Prizpusobim se leccemu, jen vedet, kam tedy jet. > > Moc bych to chtel dneska zvladnout. > > Nejradsi bych uz zhavil mikropajku. > > Jakub > > PS: Pro vsechny pripady, muj tel. je 604512554 > > > > On Wednesday 16 of June 2004 19:55, Josef Hrabec wrote: > > > >>je to jedno, nejlip nekde v centru - kam to mas nejbliz.... co ja vim, > >>treba na masarycce - clovek si tam muze dat neco k obcerstveni a pritom > >>koukat na vlacky a navic je to cele pod strechou.... :-) > >>Pepa > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ J? jsem tady. Uka? se ty! NOKIA 6100 ji? od 2977 K?. www,oskar.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74858 From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 17 11:29:13 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 17 11:30:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? In-Reply-To: <40D169A5.60300@poupe.net> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <200406171138.30771.ladmanj@volny.cz> <40D169A5.60300@poupe.net> Message-ID: <200406171229.13743.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Thursday 17 of June 2004 11:51, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > To je fajn prece ;-) grrr asi skoncime na letny jak to vypada ;-) To v tomhle pocasi neni na skodu. Je to letni popijiva zahradka s vyhlidkou na prahu kousinek za technickym muzeem. Jakub From kubajz at kbx.cz Thu Jun 17 11:29:53 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Thu Jun 17 11:33:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? In-Reply-To: <200406171229.13743.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40D169A5.60300@poupe.net> <200406171229.13743.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406171229.53672.kubajz@kbx.cz> Ahoj, ja nemam nic proti tomu abyste se domluvili kdy a kde si to predate, ale nechcete to propriste udelat nekde jinde nez na mailing listu? Myslim, ze tak pulku lidi, co to odebiraji to vubec nezajima. Myslim, ze do ML patri veci ohledne vyvoje a problemu ronjy, ale dohadovani se o plosnakach a jejich rpedavce myslim je uz trochu OT. Opravte me, jestli se mylim... Dik za ohleduplnost. Kubajz Dne ?t 17. ?ervna 2004 12:29 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > On Thursday 17 of June 2004 11:51, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > > To je fajn prece ;-) grrr asi skoncime na letny jak to vypada ;-) > > To v tomhle pocasi neni na skodu. > Je to letni popijiva zahradka s vyhlidkou na prahu kousinek za technickym > muzeem. > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Thu Jun 17 11:39:04 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Thu Jun 17 11:38:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? In-Reply-To: <200406171229.53672.kubajz@kbx.cz> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40D169A5.60300@poupe.net> <200406171229.13743.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200406171229.53672.kubajz@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <40D174C8.9040900@poupe.net> Mno predani tistaku se tyka vyvoje ;-) kdyz se nepredaj tak se nemuze vyvijet ;-) Taaakze: Letna - "Hospudka" pod Kastanem (jsou to takove velke lavice na letne, prodava se tam pivko a tak) cca 16:00-18:00. Budu tam sedet s tistakama na stole ;-) Je to kousek od technickeho muzea. Kontakt na mne: +420 608 253 646 A timto to povazuji za uzavrene (oki, kubajz? ;-)) Kneza Jakub Sykora wrote: > Ahoj, > > ja nemam nic proti tomu abyste se domluvili kdy a kde si to predate, ale > nechcete to propriste udelat nekde jinde nez na mailing listu? Myslim, ze tak > pulku lidi, co to odebiraji to vubec nezajima. Myslim, ze do ML patri veci > ohledne vyvoje a problemu ronjy, ale dohadovani se o plosnakach a jejich > rpedavce myslim je uz trochu OT. Opravte me, jestli se mylim... > > Dik za ohleduplnost. > > Kubajz > > Dne ?t 17. ?ervna 2004 12:29 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > >>On Thursday 17 of June 2004 11:51, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: >> >>>To je fajn prece ;-) grrr asi skoncime na letny jak to vypada ;-) >> >>To v tomhle pocasi neni na skodu. >>Je to letni popijiva zahradka s vyhlidkou na prahu kousinek za technickym >>muzeem. >>Jakub From kubajz at kbx.cz Thu Jun 17 11:38:29 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Thu Jun 17 11:41:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? In-Reply-To: <40D174C8.9040900@poupe.net> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <200406171229.53672.kubajz@kbx.cz> <40D174C8.9040900@poupe.net> Message-ID: <200406171238.29020.kubajz@kbx.cz> Mno do budoucna bych byl radsi kdybyste se aspon dohodli pomoci jednoho dvou postu. Diky, ze uz jsi to uzavrel. K Dne ?t 17. ?ervna 2004 12:39 Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET napsal(a): > Mno predani tistaku se tyka vyvoje ;-) kdyz se nepredaj tak se nemuze > vyvijet ;-) > > Taaakze: Letna - "Hospudka" pod Kastanem (jsou to takove velke lavice na > letne, prodava se tam pivko a tak) cca 16:00-18:00. Budu tam sedet s > tistakama na stole ;-) > Je to kousek od technickeho muzea. > > Kontakt na mne: +420 608 253 646 > > A timto to povazuji za uzavrene (oki, kubajz? ;-)) > > Kneza > > Jakub Sykora wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > ja nemam nic proti tomu abyste se domluvili kdy a kde si to predate, ale > > nechcete to propriste udelat nekde jinde nez na mailing listu? Myslim, ze > > tak pulku lidi, co to odebiraji to vubec nezajima. Myslim, ze do ML patri > > veci ohledne vyvoje a problemu ronjy, ale dohadovani se o plosnakach a > > jejich rpedavce myslim je uz trochu OT. Opravte me, jestli se mylim... > > > > Dik za ohleduplnost. > > > > Kubajz > > > > Dne ?t 17. ?ervna 2004 12:29 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > >>On Thursday 17 of June 2004 11:51, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > >>>To je fajn prece ;-) grrr asi skoncime na letny jak to vypada ;-) > >> > >>To v tomhle pocasi neni na skodu. > >>Je to letni popijiva zahradka s vyhlidkou na prahu kousinek za technickym > >>muzeem. > >>Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Jun 17 12:06:31 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Jun 17 12:06:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napad - interaktivita seznamu soucastek In-Reply-To: <200406171238.29020.kubajz@kbx.cz> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40D174C8.9040900@poupe.net> <200406171238.29020.kubajz@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <200406171306.31033.ladmanj@volny.cz> Ted jsem si vytvarel seznam soucastek na dva twistery abych je stihnul nakoupit pred vyzvednutim tistaku. Protoze potrebuju vse ve dvojnasobnem mnozstvi na dva kousky, postupoval jsem tak, ze od soucastek kterych bylo nejvic po ty s nejmensim poctem jsem postupne provadel nalezeni a nahrazeni textu v editoru. Prepocitavat mezisoucty uz nebudu, ale jejich otazka me privedla k nasledujicimu napadu: Co takhle na strance, venovane potrebnemu materialu, pridat vyplnovaci policko na cislo a tlacitko submit a pak by se vse prepocitalo na kyzeny pocet modulu. Mozna by to bylo k uzitku. Ale netrvam na tom :-D Jakub From andy at intercomp.info Thu Jun 17 13:53:45 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Thu Jun 17 13:42:03 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Red=A0light=A0problem?= In-Reply-To: <20040616051515.C9606@beton.cybernet.src> References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040616051515.C9606@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <56911.213.77.122.1.1087476825.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> > On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 03:58:24AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: >> I must add that I use Equivalents like: AM26LS31, AM26LS32. >> Capatitors ceramic: not 50V but 60V. >> Electrolytic Capacitors: not 10V but 16V >> >> And I'm building AW-Twister. > > I guess you must have a bug in the wiring somewhere. > > Cl< The wiring is OK. I checked this many times. I don't know whats happend ???? PC doesn't see any connection. (for example, necrosoft say that cabble is unpluged). Red light is still shining. Maybe problem is in crossing wiring somewere. I mean that in some places the wires goes near wires from other IC's. I must do that, because I haven't enough place. help help help From mixaj at mymail.cz Thu Jun 17 14:49:41 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Thu Jun 17 14:49:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napad - interaktivita seznamu soucastek References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz><40D174C8.9040900@poupe.net> <200406171238.29020.kubajz@kbx.cz> <200406171306.31033.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <005e01c45471$f74d9170$fe29a8c0@diablo> Posilal jsme Clockovi xls soubor, kde jsi si nastavil, kolik twisteru chces a ono to vyplyvlo vysledek. Jestli to tam uz dal, nebo ne.... Tot otazka... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: [Ronja] Napad - interaktivita seznamu soucastek > Ted jsem si vytvarel seznam soucastek na dva twistery abych je stihnul > nakoupit pred vyzvednutim tistaku. > Protoze potrebuju vse ve dvojnasobnem mnozstvi na dva kousky, postupoval jsem > tak, ze od soucastek kterych bylo nejvic po ty s nejmensim poctem jsem > postupne provadel nalezeni a nahrazeni textu v editoru. > Prepocitavat mezisoucty uz nebudu, ale jejich otazka me privedla k > nasledujicimu napadu: > Co takhle na strance, venovane potrebnemu materialu, pridat vyplnovaci policko > na cislo a tlacitko submit a pak by se vse prepocitalo na kyzeny pocet > modulu. > Mozna by to bylo k uzitku. > Ale netrvam na tom :-D > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 17 15:18:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 17 15:19:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tistaky od Knezi - Ve ctvrtek sraz - KDEE???? In-Reply-To: <40D174C8.9040900@poupe.net> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz> <40D169A5.60300@poupe.net> <200406171229.13743.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200406171229.53672.kubajz@kbx.cz> <40D174C8.9040900@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040617141858.GB1359@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 12:39:04PM +0200, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > Mno predani tistaku se tyka vyvoje ;-) kdyz se nepredaj tak se nemuze > vyvijet ;-) On nekdo z tech co bere tistaky neco bude vyvijet? A co? Cl< > > Taaakze: Letna - "Hospudka" pod Kastanem (jsou to takove velke lavice na > letne, prodava se tam pivko a tak) cca 16:00-18:00. Budu tam sedet s > tistakama na stole ;-) > Je to kousek od technickeho muzea. > > Kontakt na mne: +420 608 253 646 > > A timto to povazuji za uzavrene (oki, kubajz? ;-)) > > Kneza > > Jakub Sykora wrote: > >Ahoj, > > > >ja nemam nic proti tomu abyste se domluvili kdy a kde si to predate, ale > >nechcete to propriste udelat nekde jinde nez na mailing listu? Myslim, ze > >tak pulku lidi, co to odebiraji to vubec nezajima. Myslim, ze do ML patri > >veci ohledne vyvoje a problemu ronjy, ale dohadovani se o plosnakach a > >jejich rpedavce myslim je uz trochu OT. Opravte me, jestli se mylim... > > > >Dik za ohleduplnost. > > > >Kubajz > > > >Dne ?t 17. ?ervna 2004 12:29 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > > > >>On Thursday 17 of June 2004 11:51, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > >> > >>>To je fajn prece ;-) grrr asi skoncime na letny jak to vypada ;-) > >> > >>To v tomhle pocasi neni na skodu. > >>Je to letni popijiva zahradka s vyhlidkou na prahu kousinek za technickym > >>muzeem. > >>Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 17 15:20:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 17 15:20:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: In-Reply-To: <56911.213.77.122.1.1087476825.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040616051515.C9606@beton.cybernet.src> <56911.213.77.122.1.1087476825.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040617142034.GC1359@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 02:53:45PM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 03:58:24AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > >> I must add that I use Equivalents like: AM26LS31, AM26LS32. > >> Capatitors ceramic: not 50V but 60V. > >> Electrolytic Capacitors: not 10V but 16V > >> > >> And I'm building AW-Twister. > > > > I guess you must have a bug in the wiring somewhere. > > > > Cl< > > The wiring is OK. I checked this many times. > I don't know whats happend ???? > PC doesn't see any connection. (for example, necrosoft say that cabble is > unpluged). Red light is still shining. Maybe problem is in crossing wiring > somewere. I mean that in some places the wires goes near wires from other > IC's. I must do that, because I haven't enough place. Post a photo of the device please (including inside). Cl< > > help > help > help > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 17 15:24:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jun 17 15:24:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napad - interaktivita seznamu soucastek In-Reply-To: <005e01c45471$f74d9170$fe29a8c0@diablo> References: <200406171238.29020.kubajz@kbx.cz> <200406171306.31033.ladmanj@volny.cz> <005e01c45471$f74d9170$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040617142423.GD1359@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 03:49:41PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Posilal jsme Clockovi xls soubor, kde jsi si nastavil, kolik twisteru chces > a ono to vyplyvlo vysledek. No koukal jsem se na to xls. Nojo jenze kdyz se upravi neco ve schematu (ted napr. budu predelavat civky zase zpet az se k nim dostanu) tak se to neupdatuje... Jestli myslis ze ten xls bude ostatnim uzitecny tak ho uploaduj na wikinu. Umi to attachmenty. Ted se to generuje takovym programem co se mu zada pocet a on vygeneruje parlist. Jenze se pritom vola tusim gnetlist ktery je pomaly jak prase (vitejte ve svete intepretovanych jazyku, obzvlaste m4) takze kdyby se to generovalo online tak by ten server brzo vypadal jak czfree.net To spis bych udelal fixnich par poctu twisteru - 2 a 4. Chce jeste nekdo nejake jine pocty? Predpokladam ze u >4 je jiz namaha s prepsanim seznamu zanedbatelna. Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Thu Jun 17 17:56:10 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Thu Jun 17 17:57:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napad - interaktivita seznamu soucastek Message-ID: <20040617165615Z1301646-4411+127164@mail.centrum.cz> ja myslim ze by to v tom excelu mohlo byt. jestli by to melo slouzit k vypoctu ceny (ne pro tisk seznamu na diktovani prodavacim) tak je si myslim celkem jedno jesi tam bude jedna civecka za 5 Kc navic ci ne.... nevim v jakem stavu je nynejsi xls soubor ale nebylo by spatne kdyby si slo nastavit cenu za odpor, kondik... ne kazdy to kupuje v GM a tak..... Potom me napadla takova vec ohledne balicku se soucastkama. uz se to tu resilo,ale me napadlo neco mozna trosku jineho. mevim ja to delaji v GM, ale nas tridni jednou za cas jezdi do ostravy, objede vsechny obchody, nakoupi co sme si obednali (on je strasne hodny :) ) a pak nam to v balickach rozda. a co sme si obednali z Hadexu tak ma i k tomu zvlast ucet. Takze by mozna bylo mozne, posbirat prachy, spocitat kolik je balicku je trza, a rict jim, ze proste potrebuju tohle xKrat a se zvlastnim uctem(nebo nezvlsastnim to je jedno uz..),a at to nabali (budou to mit jednodussi nez dyby tam kazdy den chodil nekdo kdo by chtel + - to same...... co by nebylo tak by nebylo no, jako treba LED nebo ... ty 16M oscilatory nebo co to bylo, ale aspon naka pomoc by mohla byt ne? co myslite? doufam ze sem vas mojim povidanim moc neunavil :).... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:24:23 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Napad - interaktivita seznamu soucastek > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 03:49:41PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Posilal jsme Clockovi xls soubor, kde jsi si nastavil, kolik twisteru chces > > a ono to vyplyvlo vysledek. > > No koukal jsem se na to xls. > > Nojo jenze kdyz se upravi neco ve schematu (ted napr. budu predelavat civky > zase zpet az se k nim dostanu) tak se to neupdatuje... > > Jestli myslis ze ten xls bude ostatnim uzitecny tak ho uploaduj na wikinu. > Umi to attachmenty. > > Ted se to generuje takovym programem co se mu zada pocet a on vygeneruje > parlist. Jenze se pritom vola tusim gnetlist ktery je pomaly jak prase > (vitejte ve svete intepretovanych jazyku, obzvlaste m4) takze kdyby se to > generovalo online tak by ten server brzo vypadal jak czfree.net > > To spis bych udelal fixnich par poctu twisteru - 2 a 4. Chce jeste nekdo > nejake jine pocty? > > Predpokladam ze u >4 je jiz namaha s prepsanim seznamu zanedbatelna. > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From mixaj at mymail.cz Thu Jun 17 19:04:37 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Thu Jun 17 19:05:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napad - interaktivita seznamu soucastek References: <200406171238.29020.kubajz@kbx.cz><200406171306.31033.ladmanj@volny.cz><005e01c45471$f74d9170$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040617142423.GD1359@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000d01c45495$b4941380$fe29a8c0@diablo> Ahoj. Ono upravit ten XLS je na par vterin (teda pro mne a pod Woknama). Udelej, jak uznas za vhodne. Ja jsem ten XLS taky delal pro to, abych vedel, jaka hodnota ma jake oznaceni ve schematu (pro nektere lidi docela dulezita vec pri osazovani). S Twiki nemam zkusennosti, ale zkusim to tam dat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Napad - interaktivita seznamu soucastek > On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 03:49:41PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Posilal jsme Clockovi xls soubor, kde jsi si nastavil, kolik twisteru chces > > a ono to vyplyvlo vysledek. > > No koukal jsem se na to xls. > > Nojo jenze kdyz se upravi neco ve schematu (ted napr. budu predelavat civky > zase zpet az se k nim dostanu) tak se to neupdatuje... > > Jestli myslis ze ten xls bude ostatnim uzitecny tak ho uploaduj na wikinu. > Umi to attachmenty. > > Ted se to generuje takovym programem co se mu zada pocet a on vygeneruje > parlist. Jenze se pritom vola tusim gnetlist ktery je pomaly jak prase > (vitejte ve svete intepretovanych jazyku, obzvlaste m4) takze kdyby se to > generovalo online tak by ten server brzo vypadal jak czfree.net > > To spis bych udelal fixnich par poctu twisteru - 2 a 4. Chce jeste nekdo > nejake jine pocty? > > Predpokladam ze u >4 je jiz namaha s prepsanim seznamu zanedbatelna. > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Jun 17 21:59:10 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Jun 17 21:57:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napad - interaktivita seznamu soucastek In-Reply-To: <005e01c45471$f74d9170$fe29a8c0@diablo> References: <207698.2063705-24370-601816360-1087317882@email.seznam.cz><40D174C8.9040900@poupe.net> <200406171238.29020.kubajz@kbx.cz> <200406171306.31033.ladmanj@volny.cz> <005e01c45471$f74d9170$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <786140718.20040617225910@volny.cz> Jenze jeste by to pak chtelo pro vsechno (Tx i Rx ) udelat nejakou sjetinu, ktera by vse setridila (odpory k odporum, kondenzatory ke kondenzatorum) aby to prodavaci meli jednodussi. OndraT JM> Posilal jsme Clockovi xls soubor, kde jsi si nastavil, kolik twisteru chces JM> a ono to vyplyvlo vysledek. JM> Jestli to tam uz dal, nebo ne.... JM> Tot otazka... JM> ----- Original Message ----- JM> From: "Jakub Ladman" JM> To: "Twibright Ronja" JM> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:06 PM JM> Subject: [Ronja] Napad - interaktivita seznamu soucastek >> Ted jsem si vytvarel seznam soucastek na dva twistery abych je stihnul >> nakoupit pred vyzvednutim tistaku. >> Protoze potrebuju vse ve dvojnasobnem mnozstvi na dva kousky, postupoval JM> jsem >> tak, ze od soucastek kterych bylo nejvic po ty s nejmensim poctem jsem >> postupne provadel nalezeni a nahrazeni textu v editoru. >> Prepocitavat mezisoucty uz nebudu, ale jejich otazka me privedla k >> nasledujicimu napadu: >> Co takhle na strance, venovane potrebnemu materialu, pridat vyplnovaci JM> policko >> na cislo a tlacitko submit a pak by se vse prepocitalo na kyzeny pocet >> modulu. >> Mozna by to bylo k uzitku. >> Ale netrvam na tom :-D >> Jakub >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klapek at kki.net.pl Fri Jun 18 07:32:42 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Fri Jun 18 07:31:28 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?q?=5BRonja=5D=A0Red=A0light=A0problem?= In-Reply-To: <56911.213.77.122.1.1087476825.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040616051515.C9606@beton.cybernet.src> <56911.213.77.122.1.1087476825.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <200406180832.42489.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Thursday 17 of June 2004 14:53, Andrzej K. wrote: > The wiring is OK. I checked this many times. > I don't know whats happend ???? Aren't you the guy that couldn't get the HC133? Maybe you used my no-HC133.patch and that's the source of problems? Regards, Tomek Koprowski From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Fri Jun 18 16:52:03 2004 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?Vm9qdOxjaCDIab5pbnNr/Q==?=) Date: Fri Jun 18 16:52:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 74HC133 Message-ID: <000801c4554c$3342d570$702da8c0@woita> Tak vam pekne dekuju, vcera jsem byl v Sokolovske pro soucastky a bylo mi sdeleno, ze maj od 74HC133 posledni kousek :-/ (obchudky v Chrudimi, Pardubicich a Hradci taky nic). Neda se ten druhej brouk ve Twisteru necim jednoduse nahradit (nemyslim HCT verzi)? Pak bych potreboval poradit nejakou linuxovou distribuci do 130MB na 486kovej router, ktera umi ethtool a podobny veci na AUI ronju. Diky moc za odpoved, WoiTa ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040618/bfce7f51/attachment.htm From andy at intercomp.info Fri Jun 18 18:05:47 2004 From: andy at intercomp.info (Andrzej K.) Date: Fri Jun 18 17:53:53 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Red=A0light=A0problem?= In-Reply-To: <200406180832.42489.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040616051515.C9606@beton.cybernet.src><56911.213.77.122.1.1087476825.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <200406180832.42489.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <34041.213.77.122.1.1087578347.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Yes I'm that guy. But I get the HC133. I didn't use your patch. > On Thursday 17 of June 2004 14:53, Andrzej K. wrote: > >> The wiring is OK. I checked this many times. >> I don't know whats happend ???? > > Aren't you the guy that couldn't get the HC133? > Maybe you used my no-HC133.patch and that's the > source of problems? > > Regards, > Tomek Koprowski > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kneza at poupe.net Fri Jun 18 19:27:16 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Fri Jun 18 19:28:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister Problem Message-ID: <40D33404.4020706@poupe.net> Dotazek - dodelanej twister, vse zapojeno... s compem link sviti, ale TXko vubec nesviti... kdyz ho pripojim tak jen problikne.. take problikne kdyz pripojim rxko.. jinak je to death.. je to vzany z funkcniho auicka a zkousel jsem 2 sady.. takze v rx/tx chyba byt nemuze.. Any idea? From kneza at poupe.net Fri Jun 18 19:28:40 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Fri Jun 18 19:29:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister problem II. Message-ID: <40D33458.6090703@poupe.net> Jeste upresnim - sviti mi jen oranzova ledka... 7805ka je studena ;-) Kneza From caffr at seznam.cz Fri Jun 18 19:47:37 2004 From: caffr at seznam.cz (caffr) Date: Fri Jun 18 19:47:40 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Twister=20Problem?= In-Reply-To: <40D33404.4020706@poupe.net> Message-ID: <765981.3959970-11268-1490191452-1087584457@email.seznam.cz> To, ze LEDka na RX jen blikla pri pripojeni mne dalalo taky a stale dela na puvodni AUI verzi, a proto sem to nikdy nezprovoznil. Ale napeti sem vsude mel spravny. > Dotazek - dodelanej twister, vse zapojeno... s compem link sviti, ale > TXko vubec nesviti... kdyz ho pripojim tak jen problikne.. take > problikne kdyz pripojim rxko.. jinak je to death.. > je to vzany z funkcniho auicka a zkousel jsem 2 sady.. takze v rx/tx > chyba byt nemuze.. > > Any idea? > > ____________________________________________________________ Sc?nick? rozhovor ?z filmov?ho z?kulis? Hollywoodu , 21. ?ervna v 19 h Norbert Auerbach? duchovn? otec agenta 007, ?editel filmov?ch studi? United Artists a Columbia Pictures ?( na Lid?-chat) http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=75261 From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 18 20:59:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jun 18 20:59:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 74HC133 In-Reply-To: <000801c4554c$3342d570$702da8c0@woita> References: <000801c4554c$3342d570$702da8c0@woita> Message-ID: <20040618195929.GA23672@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 05:52:03PM +0200, Vojt?ch ?i?insk? wrote: > Tak vam pekne dekuju, vcera jsem byl v Sokolovske pro soucastky a bylo mi > sdeleno, ze maj od 74HC133 posledni kousek :-/ (obchudky v Chrudimi, > Pardubicich a Hradci taky nic). Neda se ten druhej brouk ve Twisteru necim > jednoduse nahradit (nemyslim HCT verzi)? Kterej? 133? Tomek Koprowski na to udelal patch je to na wikine nekde Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Fri Jun 18 21:01:41 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Fri Jun 18 21:01:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister Problem In-Reply-To: <765981.3959970-11268-1490191452-1087584457@email.seznam.cz> References: <765981.3959970-11268-1490191452-1087584457@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <40D34A25.5090309@poupe.net> vyreseno.. spatne zapojenej stabilizator... thanks2clock ;-) Kneza caffr wrote: > To, ze LEDka na RX jen blikla pri pripojeni mne dalalo taky a stale dela > na puvodni AUI verzi, a proto sem to nikdy nezprovoznil. Ale napeti sem > vsude mel spravny. > >> Dotazek - dodelanej twister, vse zapojeno... s compem link sviti, ale >> TXko vubec nesviti... kdyz ho pripojim tak jen problikne.. take >> problikne kdyz pripojim rxko.. jinak je to death.. >> je to vzany z funkcniho auicka a zkousel jsem 2 sady.. takze v rx/tx >> chyba byt nemuze.. >> >> Any idea? >> >> > From steebe at seznam.cz Fri Jun 18 23:25:20 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Fri Jun 18 23:25:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister raz dva Message-ID: <003e01c45583$2643c9b0$0581000a@steebe> Ahooj - mam spajenyho Twistera dva kousky (thenx Kneza) Zapojil sem ho na napajeni u PC ( 12V zlutej kabel a GND cernej kabel hned vedle) Propojeni Twisteru sem udelal UTP kabelem cca 4 metry dlouhej a pouzil sem 3 pary dratu (jeden par zeleneych byl zem a oranzovey byl na jedny strane zapojen na TX a na druhe RX a modrej par byl taky prohozen RX na TX ) tak zda na to nema vliv ze je to tak dlouhy a nebo ze se to tam krouti mezi sebou. Twistera jednoho mam v krabce ale nezakryty druhej lezel na novinach :) stabilak pridelanej na chladice na obouch PC nastaveno 10 Mbps FullDuplex (spravne propojeny jumpery na prepinani Switch PC protoze pri jinem zapojeni to nereagovalo Ping na protejsi stanici prosel s 10 - 80% Paketlossem a prenos na ftp byl tak 7KB/s :-( Kondenzatory mam jak na tistaku tak na stabilizatoru ( takze 2 navic) jeste to prohlidnu zda tam nemam neco blbe ale delal sem to opatrne ... Pajeno mikropajkou a snad kazdej spoj sem zkouknul .. pri spojeni ktery sem mel sem zpozoroval ze vetsinou problikavali ledky v kratkych impulzech (mno to bylo asi tim pingem) a pri stahovani z ftp to obcas bliklo i na 1 vterinu coz se nedivim ale mohlo by to skoro sviti jakey by tam mel bejt prenos .. Pri stahovani z ftp 7KB/s se mi ping horsil kolem 10- 50 ms Help nevi nekdo odhadem co bych mohl skusit aby se to trochu mno poradne rozjelo ? Diky za kazdou Informaci . ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040619/873fec27/attachment.htm From kero at matfyz.cz Fri Jun 18 23:33:39 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Fri Jun 18 23:34:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister raz dva In-Reply-To: <003e01c45583$2643c9b0$0581000a@steebe> References: <003e01c45583$2643c9b0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <40D36DC3.2000803@matfyz.cz> Co to nejdrive strcit do odstinene krabicky? Kero-chan Steebe napsal(a): > Ahooj - mam spajenyho Twistera dva kousky (thenx Kneza) > > Zapojil sem ho na napajeni u PC ( 12V zlutej kabel a GND cernej kabel > hned vedle) > Propojeni Twisteru sem udelal UTP kabelem cca 4 metry dlouhej a > pouzil sem 3 pary dratu (jeden par zeleneych byl zem a oranzovey byl > na jedny strane zapojen na TX a na druhe RX a modrej par byl taky > prohozen RX na TX ) > tak zda na to nema vliv ze je to tak dlouhy a nebo ze se to tam krouti > mezi sebou. > > Twistera jednoho mam v krabce ale nezakryty > druhej lezel na novinach :) stabilak pridelanej na chladice > > na obouch PC nastaveno 10 Mbps FullDuplex (spravne propojeny jumpery na > prepinani Switch PC protoze pri jinem zapojeni to nereagovalo > > Ping na protejsi stanici prosel s 10 - 80% Paketlossem > a prenos na ftp byl tak 7KB/s :-( > > Kondenzatory mam jak na tistaku tak na stabilizatoru ( takze 2 navic) > jeste to prohlidnu zda tam nemam neco blbe ale delal sem to opatrne ... > > Pajeno mikropajkou a snad kazdej spoj sem zkouknul .. > > > pri spojeni ktery sem mel sem zpozoroval ze vetsinou problikavali > ledky v kratkych impulzech (mno to bylo asi tim pingem) a pri > stahovani z ftp to obcas bliklo i na 1 vterinu coz se nedivim ale > mohlo by to skoro sviti jakey by tam mel bejt prenos .. > Pri stahovani z ftp 7KB/s se mi ping horsil kolem 10- 50 ms > > Help nevi nekdo odhadem co bych mohl skusit aby se to trochu mno > poradne rozjelo ? Diky za kazdou Informaci . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From steebe at seznam.cz Fri Jun 18 23:49:09 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Fri Jun 18 23:49:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister raz dva References: <003e01c45583$2643c9b0$0581000a@steebe> <40D36DC3.2000803@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <001401c45586$7f06b0a0$0581000a@steebe> :-) nemam srouby , krabky mam hotov? ale srouby na tistaky sem nikde uz nenasel takze jedna strana na novinach druha v otevreny krabce . Ale urcite to zejtra s sroubama testnu a aby to bylo zakryty . dneska uz to jen prekontroluju zda sem to tam napajel dobre ale rek bych ze yo :) kdyz neco proslo a neco ne .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kero" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister raz dva > Co to nejdrive strcit do odstinene krabicky? > Kero-chan > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From steebe at seznam.cz Fri Jun 18 23:53:55 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Fri Jun 18 23:54:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister raz dva References: <003e01c45583$2643c9b0$0581000a@steebe> <40D36DC3.2000803@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <001b01c45587$258d0000$0581000a@steebe> Mno a jeste jeden dotaz - http://images.twibright.com/tns/f93.html tady to chodi s krabkou a nebo to je v provozu bez ? Twistery sem mel od sebe tak na 3 metry ... Mno nic zejtra to poradne dobastlim :) a uvidime kazdopadne ze tam prosel aspon jeden paketek :) byla ihned radost s tim ze uz se to snad nejak doladi :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kero" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister raz dva > Co to nejdrive strcit do odstinene krabicky? > Kero-chan > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Jun 19 04:35:33 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Jun 19 04:35:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister - prvni dojmy In-Reply-To: <200406180832.42489.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <56911.213.77.122.1.1087476825.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <200406180832.42489.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <200406190535.33208.ladmanj@volny.cz> Cimrmanuv vtip z oboru opticka pojitka: "Kondenzator C84 na DPS twister" BTW: Chybi mi zatim na kazdem z obou twisteru 9ks 1nF blokovacich kondenzatoru a bez nich svete div se to nechodi :-D (ikdyz jsem ty ostatni rovnomerne rozmistil po deskach). Pondeli je daleko - bleeee. Uz jsem to mel pred vice jak rokem nastudovany, ale ted si nemuzu vzpomenout. Jak vypadaji ty link integrity pulsy? Back-engineeringem schematu twistra mi to vychazi na 100ns pulsy jednou za 16,4ms. Je to spravne? A taky ze mi ven tak podle osciloskopu (shruba) lezou, tak to ze sitovka necejti linku, je asi hranama, nebo sumem, takze ty kondiky to asi spravej. Tak az bude twister 100% funkcni, budu moci zacit konecne se seriozni praci na CPLD verzi :-D Jakub On Friday 18 of June 2004 08:32, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Thursday 17 of June 2004 14:53, Andrzej K. wrote: > > The wiring is OK. I checked this many times. > > I don't know whats happend ???? > > Aren't you the guy that couldn't get the HC133? > Maybe you used my no-HC133.patch and that's the > source of problems? > > Regards, > Tomek Koprowski > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 19 08:35:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 08:36:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister raz dva In-Reply-To: <001b01c45587$258d0000$0581000a@steebe> References: <003e01c45583$2643c9b0$0581000a@steebe> <40D36DC3.2000803@matfyz.cz> <001b01c45587$258d0000$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040619073559.GA947@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 12:53:55AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > Mno a jeste jeden dotaz - http://images.twibright.com/tns/f93.html tady to > chodi s krabkou a nebo to je v provozu bez ? Bez Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 19 08:38:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 08:38:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister - prvni dojmy In-Reply-To: <200406190535.33208.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <56911.213.77.122.1.1087476825.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <200406180832.42489.klapek@kki.net.pl> <200406190535.33208.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040619073843.GA977@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 05:35:33AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Cimrmanuv vtip z oboru opticka pojitka: "Kondenzator C84 na DPS twister" > > BTW: Chybi mi zatim na kazdem z obou twisteru 9ks 1nF blokovacich kondenzatoru > a bez nich svete div se to nechodi :-D (ikdyz jsem ty ostatni rovnomerne > rozmistil po deskach). > Pondeli je daleko - bleeee. > > Uz jsem to mel pred vice jak rokem nastudovany, ale ted si nemuzu vzpomenout. > Jak vypadaji ty link integrity pulsy? > Back-engineeringem schematu twistra mi to vychazi na 100ns pulsy jednou za > 16,4ms. Je to spravne? dlouhy jsou 125ns a roztec 16.384 ms > A taky ze mi ven tak podle osciloskopu (shruba) lezou, tak to ze sitovka > necejti linku, je asi hranama, nebo sumem, takze ty kondiky to asi spravej. A nebo je to treba obracene preply ty prepinace Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Jun 19 08:55:26 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Jun 19 08:54:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister - prvni dojmy In-Reply-To: <20040619073843.GA977@beton.cybernet.src> References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <200406190535.33208.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040619073843.GA977@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406190955.26794.ladmanj@volny.cz> > dlouhy jsou 125ns a roztec 16.384 ms Jo to by mohlo bejt. > > A taky ze mi ven tak podle osciloskopu (shruba) lezou, tak to ze sitovka > > necejti linku, je asi hranama, nebo sumem, takze ty kondiky to asi > > spravej. > > A nebo je to treba obracene preply ty prepinace Prepinace nevedu, jumpery jsem zkousel ve vsech ctyrech kombinacich. Prepinace mi prijdou zbytecny, kdyz se to ma jednou nastavit a pak leta pouzivat. Akorat by to treba nekdo prepnul omylem a ja bych treba nekam musel chodit a tak. Sitovka detekuje linku pouze na loopback. Bohuzel link integrity pulsy tam osciloskopem vidim, ale zmerit je presneji a zkontrolovat strmosti hran nemuzu, neb zmerit signal se stridou 0,0008% uz je nad sily myho 0,1ms/div analogovyho osciloskopu. Jakub From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Jun 19 10:14:14 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Jun 19 10:22:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister - prvni dojmy In-Reply-To: <200406190955.26794.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040619073843.GA977@beton.cybernet.src> <200406190955.26794.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406191114.14528.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Sitovka detekuje linku pouze na loopback. Uz i normalne, jeden twister chodil celou dobu, jen jsem to nevedel a ve druhem pajeci pomocnik vynechal dva pady!!! Tak jdu na dalsi testy Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Sat Jun 19 10:30:55 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Sat Jun 19 10:31:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister diody Message-ID: <40D407CF.6050700@poupe.net> Jak maji svitit diody v jakych situacich? Oranzova sviti vzdy? Zelena kdy? Cervena kdy? U jednoho paru rx/tx mi sviti zelena pri pripojeni a u druheho ne... ;-) Kneza From steebe at seznam.cz Sat Jun 19 10:35:37 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sat Jun 19 10:36:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister diody References: <40D407CF.6050700@poupe.net> Message-ID: <000d01c455e0$c9d8cb40$0581000a@steebe> Mno oranzov? je napajen? sviti por?d (ta prostredn?) a RX a TX blikaj kdyz se prenas? data jinak asi ne - tot muj odhad . Jinak sem objevil bug v pajeni a jeste sem to netestnul . mam hafo prace - testnu vecer :) . zdar Mnoho uspechu pri staven? :) Steebe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: [Ronja] Twister diody > Jak maji svitit diody v jakych situacich? > Oranzova sviti vzdy? > Zelena kdy? > Cervena kdy? > U jednoho paru rx/tx mi sviti zelena pri pripojeni a u druheho ne... ;-) > Kneza > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kneza at poupe.net Sat Jun 19 10:37:19 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Sat Jun 19 10:37:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister diody In-Reply-To: <40D407CF.6050700@poupe.net> References: <40D407CF.6050700@poupe.net> Message-ID: <40D4094F.6060901@poupe.net> tak to byl asi nejakej blbej dotek v kabelu...ted nesviti zelena ani na jednom ;-) Kneza Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > Jak maji svitit diody v jakych situacich? > Oranzova sviti vzdy? > Zelena kdy? > Cervena kdy? > U jednoho paru rx/tx mi sviti zelena pri pripojeni a u druheho ne... ;-) > Kneza > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 19 11:20:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 11:20:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister - prvni dojmy In-Reply-To: <200406191114.14528.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040619073843.GA977@beton.cybernet.src> <200406190955.26794.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200406191114.14528.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040619102054.GB1330@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 11:14:14AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Sitovka detekuje linku pouze na loopback. > Uz i normalne, jeden twister chodil celou dobu, jen jsem to nevedel a ve > druhem pajeci pomocnik vynechal dva pady!!! A to proslo zaverecnym testem? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 19 11:21:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 11:21:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister diody In-Reply-To: <40D407CF.6050700@poupe.net> References: <40D407CF.6050700@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040619102148.GC1330@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 11:30:55AM +0200, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > Jak maji svitit diody v jakych situacich? > Oranzova sviti vzdy? Kdyz je napajeni +12V > Zelena kdy? Kdyz se prijima neco co vypada na prvni pohled jako paket > Cervena kdy? Kdyz se vysila paket > U jednoho paru rx/tx mi sviti zelena pri pripojeni a u druheho ne... ;-) Pri pripojeni ceho k cemu za jake situace? Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Jun 19 12:09:03 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Jun 19 12:09:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister - prvni dojmy In-Reply-To: <20040619102054.GB1330@beton.cybernet.src> References: <33195.213.77.122.1.1087351104.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <200406191114.14528.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040619102054.GB1330@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406191309.04049.ladmanj@volny.cz> > > Uz i normalne, jeden twister chodil celou dobu, jen jsem to nevedel a ve > > druhem pajeci pomocnik vynechal dva pady!!! > > A to proslo zaverecnym testem? Ja jsem jeho kus nekontroloval tak jako svuj. Uz jsem mu taky vynadal :-D Kazdopadne uz mi to tu na podlaze chodi a posloucham pres to webovy radio :-D Jakub From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 19 20:59:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 20:59:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB Message-ID: <20040619195952.GA3235@beton.cybernet.src> Gareth Coleman wrote: > Twister does not have a R54 - correct? Or C67-70,C73-74? This is correct. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 19 21:12:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 21:12:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB Message-ID: <20040619201251.GB3235@beton.cybernet.src> Gareth Coleman wrote: > When choosing a ferrite bead to thread cables through should I put one on > each end? Should I choose beads with exact holes to match diameter of the > cables or much bigger holes to allow for several turns? On both ends. The places where you should put them , maximum expected benefit first, minimum expected benefit last: near transmitter near twister tx near twister rx near receiver You should probably prefer the ones with big holes and make few turns inside them. However if you get the small-hole ones only, don't mind. I think I should write something more detailed about the beads into the guide. The beads are not necessary, they are kind a luxury option to be sure the TEMPEST and electromagnetic smog emanating from the device is kept really to minimum :) I have been permanently annoyed by the noise computers make on walkmans etc. so one couldn't listen to his favorite (rather strong) radio stations. I solved it by making the computer shielding better and the interference ceased. When building Ronja I didn't want the troubles to return. So I decided Ronja won't contribute to EM noise ;-) Second thing is the effect of electromagnetic smog on human body. It is probably difficult to prove without doubts wheter it has or hasn't an effect. However what is easy to prove is the obvious fact that if the device emanates nothing, then the effect on you will be zero ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 19 21:13:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 21:13:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB Message-ID: <20040619201318.GC3235@beton.cybernet.src> Gareth Coleman wrote: > Can I replace the switches with jumpers with no issues apart from more > difficulty setting up? Yes you can. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 19 21:22:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 21:22:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB Message-ID: <20040619202202.GD3235@beton.cybernet.src> Garet Coleman wrote: > I would like to use N-type connectors (or similar) to attach the tx and rx > leads (on twister end). Any problems anticipated? N are the ones for microwaves? Take the connector apart and observe all contact points how they are made up. Including points like cable shield to body etc. If all of them are one of these two: 1) both surfaces are made of gold 2) plastic deformation of at least one surface at the contact point Then there shouldn't be problems. If at least one of them isn't of the two said types, anticipate problems with realibility of the contact. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 19 21:22:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 21:23:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB Message-ID: <20040619202255.GE3235@beton.cybernet.src> Gareth Coleman wrote: > I am considering using a temperature module to automatically switch the > heating on when required and off when not required. Have you any experience > of the temperature range that requires heating activated or should I just > experiment? Or is this idea flawed? Keep the temperature within the range specified in the specification of the modules (twister etc.) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 19 21:24:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 21:24:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB Message-ID: <20040619202433.GF3235@beton.cybernet.src> Gareth Coleman wrote: > I am considering using potentiometers to aid in tuning the resistors - will > their values be stable long-term? No. Replace them with a fixed resistor ASAP. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jun 19 21:25:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 21:25:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB Message-ID: <20040619202530.GG3235@beton.cybernet.src> Gareth Coleman wrote: > I noticed that because twister has lots of capacitors the codes C101-C112 are > present on both the Twister and Receiver. I know it doesn't affect function > at all but if you were able to renumber the receiver circuits (say base > number of 25) then there would be less possible confusion with non-expert > electronics people. Thanks for reporting. This will cause problem in partlist generation for whole tetrapolis as duplicate parts are omitted completely in the output. I have to fix it. Cl< From steebe at seznam.cz Sun Jun 20 00:20:47 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sun Jun 20 00:21:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister raz dva References: <003e01c45583$2643c9b0$0581000a@steebe><40D36DC3.2000803@matfyz.cz><001b01c45587$258d0000$0581000a@steebe> <20040619073559.GA947@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001701c45654$0fd2eea0$0581000a@steebe> Rozfachano - pri zapojeni twister twister sem mel moc dlouhy kabel a ikdyby ty 4 metry to projelo tak nebyl stineney , a navic ta zily tam krouceny to melo obrovsky utlum v signalu a skresleni . takze na test doporucuju do 50 cm 3 draty a hlavne ne spolu krouceny - ja sam mam tak 30 cm - odpovedel mi kazdy ping na druhou stanici . zejtra skusim prenos na ftp ale podle sviznosti bych rekl ze to bude stejne v pohode :) Doufam ze tady z toho neco nekomu pomze . enjoy - jdu na RX a TX ktery mam rozpracovany :) PS : jeste napisu co a jak z testu ftp :) zdar steebe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister raz dva > On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 12:53:55AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > > Mno a jeste jeden dotaz - http://images.twibright.com/tns/f93.html tady to > > chodi s krabkou a nebo to je v provozu bez ? > > Bez > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 20 08:42:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 20 08:42:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Bug In-Reply-To: <002401c4564b$2eb5aa50$0581000a@steebe> References: <002401c4564b$2eb5aa50$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040620074253.GA4899@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 12:17:12AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > http://ronja.twibright.com/changelog.php > > Ronja Homepage Changelog > Warning: Failed opening 'changelog.html' for inclusion > (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear') in > /home/clock/www/twibright.com/ronja/changelog.php on line 6 Diky uz jsem to opravil a to tentokrat uz doufam definitivne :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 20 08:48:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 20 08:48:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dead link on the ronja Homepage In-Reply-To: <20040619223746.GA10247@none.net> References: <20040619223746.GA10247@none.net> Message-ID: <20040620074832.GB4899@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 12:37:46AM +0200, Daniel wrote: > Hi Karel, > > I'm a guy from germany who just found your projekt page. Great work! > Thanks alot. I'm going to build a ronja for me and my friend. > > At the homepage ronja.twibright.com there is a link to the PCB schematic. > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.sch Thanks for bugreport, fixed. > > this Link is broken. Would you please fix it so I could avoid the > work of building the circuit again. Or is there a printable version > of the PCB layout? I can use a small device to create the boards http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/pcb.php CL< From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 20 08:49:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 20 08:49:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister raz dva In-Reply-To: <001701c45654$0fd2eea0$0581000a@steebe> References: <20040619073559.GA947@beton.cybernet.src> <001701c45654$0fd2eea0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040620074935.GC4899@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 01:20:47AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > Rozfachano - pri zapojeni twister twister sem mel moc dlouhy kabel a ikdyby > ty 4 metry to projelo tak nebyl stineney , a navic ta zily tam krouceny to > melo obrovsky utlum v signalu a skresleni . To jsi ten utlum a zkresleni necim meril? Pokud ano, tak cim? Cl< From steebe at seznam.cz Sun Jun 20 09:14:19 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sun Jun 20 09:14:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister raz dva References: <20040619073559.GA947@beton.cybernet.src><001701c45654$0fd2eea0$0581000a@steebe> <20040620074935.GC4899@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001001c4569e$98bdbed0$0581000a@steebe> nemeril ale pokud sem mel dlouhej kabl tak to delalo paketloss . pokud sem pridelal kratkej tak ne :) navic jak sem psal poprve sem vyuzil kus kabelu k UTP a je v nem 8 zil ja z nej udelal 4 zilak protoze sem se bal ze bude mozna prelamanej atd . proste se to tam v tom kroutilo atd :) a 4 metry na to je dost na TTL . I pry na serovy port k tiskarnam atd se nedelal kabel delsi nez 2 metry a uz nekdy byl problem to zozfachat a ja mel twistery spojeny kroucenym kaaaablem a jeste na 4 metry a nemel sem to v krabkach lezelo to ne zemi :) krabky namontuju behem dneska nebo zejtrka sou uplne stejny jako sou v navodu :) takzze pro test bych navrhoval aby se nekam napsalo ze twister twister spojeney trema dr?tama (hlavne nekroucenejma :) na to slovo sem alergickey ) a tak do vzdalenosti kolem 50 cm .. Stejne do TX a RX se to vede koaxem takze tam uz to to stineni koaxu vychyta .pochybuju ze by to do tx a rx doslo po normalnich dratkach , nefim mozna to je postreh mozna ne ale pri testovani vzdalenosti TX a RX muze mit vliv na to jakym kabelem to je do twistera spojeny a muze potom nastavat paketloss ale jak je ostatne psano v navodu tak do TX a RX 75 ohm koaxem .... mno ... neubijte mne za to co sem sem napsal :) zdarec - stavte stavte a at vam to jde od ruky . cus - Steebe :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister raz dva > On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 01:20:47AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > > Rozfachano - pri zapojeni twister twister sem mel moc dlouhy kabel a ikdyby > > ty 4 metry to projelo tak nebyl stineney , a navic ta zily tam krouceny to > > melo obrovsky utlum v signalu a skresleni . > > To jsi ten utlum a zkresleni necim meril? Pokud ano, tak cim? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 20 09:21:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 20 09:21:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister raz dva In-Reply-To: <001001c4569e$98bdbed0$0581000a@steebe> References: <20040620074935.GC4899@beton.cybernet.src> <001001c4569e$98bdbed0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040620082144.GB11353@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 10:14:19AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > nemeril ale pokud sem mel dlouhej kabl tak to delalo paketloss . pokud sem > pridelal kratkej tak ne :) navic jak sem psal poprve sem vyuzil kus > kabelu k UTP a je v nem 8 zil ja z nej udelal 4 zilak protoze sem se bal > ze bude mozna prelamanej atd . proste se to tam v tom kroutilo atd :) a 4 > metry na to je dost na TTL . > I pry na serovy port k tiskarnam atd se nedelal kabel delsi nez 2 metry a > uz nekdy byl problem to zozfachat a ja mel twistery spojeny kroucenym > kaaaablem a jeste na 4 metry a nemel sem to v krabkach lezelo to ne zemi :) > krabky namontuju behem dneska nebo zejtrka sou uplne stejny jako sou v > navodu :) > > takzze pro test bych navrhoval aby se nekam napsalo ze twister twister > spojeney trema dr?tama (hlavne nekroucenejma :) na to slovo sem alergickey ) > a tak do vzdalenosti kolem 50 cm .. Muzes to do navodu dopsat - ja se k tomu ted v blizke dobe pro nedostatek casu nedostanu. Tady attachuju tetrapolis testing. Cl< -------------- next part -------------- Testing Ronja Tetrapolis

Testing Ronja Tetrapolis

We are going to test the electronics. You should get to the end without problems. If there is a bug and you can't identify it and repair it, ask on the mailing list.

Setting up full duplex SW testbed

We will call the network interface eth0. However, it may be named differently, especially if you have a different operating system than Linux.

  • Set up the NIC manually to 10Mbps full duplex. This involves switching autonegotiation off. (Linux: 
    mii-diag -F 10baseT-FD eth0
    )
  • Assign an IP address 192.168.1.1 and netmask 255.255.255.0 (Linux: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0). Determine and write down the MAC address of the card. (Linux: ifconfig eth0).
  • Set up permanent ARP table entry for the interface eth0, IP address 192.168.1.2 and MAC address from the paper. (Linux: arp -i eth0 -s 192.168.1.2 MAC_address)
  • If the kernel has not already done it, add a routing table entry for interface eth0 and IP address 192.168.1.2 (Linux: route add 192.168.1.2 eth0)
  • Run a packet sniffer that dumps the packets on screen on interface eth0. The sniffer must be capable of showing ethernet or IP frames/packets. Linux: tcpdump -i eth0. Leave the sniffer running.
  • Take another console or open another terminal.
  • Switch the Twister into wire loopback mode. See the label at the bottom for details.
  • Periodically issue ICMP Echo Request packets with 1-second intervals to IP address 192.168.1.2. Linux: ping 192.168.1.2
  • The tcpdump should show ICMP Echo Requests, each one twice (once transmitted, once received). If not, something is wrong.

Powering the device for the first time

Switch Twister back to PC mode (see label for details). Power up Twister. The yellow light should shine. If it shines dimly or doesn't shine then there's a short circuit on the power: in such case disconnect it immediately and check the circuit again. You can also measure the power consumption of the Twister by plugging out the power connector and sticking ampermeter probe between the inside of the male and inside of the female and touching the shell on the metal case. Normal values:

Idle175mA
Maximum data load (both directions220mA

The red light shall not shine even not dimly. If it shines, there is a bug in the transmitter path logic. Check the topology and component values again.

Now disconnect Twister power and connect receiver and transmitter directly into the 4-terminal wire nut protruding from Twister. Connect receiver's CON_12V with transmitter's CON_12V and receiver's CON_GND with transmitter's CON_GND using a spare 2-terminal wire nut. Plug the Twister power back. Again check the yellow light and you may also check the total consumption:

Idle with receiving 1MHz idle signal300mA
Full data load (both directions)340mA

Check all measurement points (those small tables in the schematics with various values)in all three boxes (Twister, Receiver, Transmitter) and determine if the values measured are in the specified range. The voltages are measured against ground (i. e. the tin of the can). If they are not within specified ranges, tweak the appropriate passive element until the values are in specified range. The values should be all OK except point P104 (adjusted by R106, default value 560 Ohm) in receiver which may vary very much due to a manufacture scatter in Q101 (BF907) transistor parameters. Bigger R106 gives better amplification, but also doesn't work with all transistors. If any value except P104 is out of range, it is suspicious and consult it on the mailing list.

Check whether the TX diode shines. Connect 200mV voltmeter into Receiver's RX level DC measurement (Received Signal Strength Indicator, RSSI). Check whether the multimeter readout reacts to the light strength from the transmitter.

If the device is correctly soldered, it should work on the first try. Check it out ;-) Close all three tin boxes and stack the transmitter on the receiver. Now bounce the light into the receiver using a mirror or a piece of paper.

Bouncing the light into the receiver should cause RX green LED to be completely dark. If it doesn't work, try attaching a 200mV voltmeter into the RSSI cable of RX and shining remote control from near into the receiver. It should generate some millivolts.

Now it is a great time to install Wasenaar's original ping that supports Cisco-style pings (-c). Send some packets (preferrably with Wasenaar's ping) (ping 192.168.1.1) through and see what tcpdump says. If all packets are seen double then everything is OK. If all are single, the device doesn't work. If some are single and some double, too little light gets from transmitter to the receiver or the electronics is faulty.

If you suspect the receiver to be not working, try the trick with remote control.

When you send ordinary short (56-byte) ICMP Echo Request packets (Linux: ping 192.168.1.1), you should barely see anything on TX (red) and RX (green) LED lights. The packets are so short human eye barely sees it. ping should report zero packetloss in this cause. If not, the device is faulty. Sometimes the first packet gets lost if full duplex is not correctly set up or if the operating system driver has problems with the card.

Send an ICMP Echo Request packet flood to IP 192.168.1.2 (Linux: ping -f 192.168.1.2, maybe requires a root privilege). Both RX and TX indicators should fully shine. Jittering and pausing in indicator lights is permitted, it is a sign of operating system scheduling the ICMP Echo Request generating process (Linux: ping) off the horse.

Now "tune" the transmitter to 50% duty cycle wave. It is optional, but enhances the performance. Place a photocell over the transmitter and measure the DC current when no packets are present and when ICMP Echo Request packet flood is present (the red light on interface is shining full shine). ICMP Echo Request packet flood may be generated on Linux this way: commong ping: ping -s 1472 -f 192.168.1.2, Wasenaar's original ping: ping -l 1472 -f 192.168.1.2. The two (silence / packet flood) levels of intensity of the shining of the transmitter (power) LED will somewhat differ (probably) and your goal is to make them equal. If you haven't got a photocell, you may judge also by your eye. Best is shining the cone of the light on the floor and watching the brightness of the lighted area. Manipulate the value of R8 resistor. Increasing R8 ohmic value will give less light during a packet.

Let the transmitter shine without sending any packets into it. Measure DC voltage across R11 (default valu 8R2) and then switch off the transmitter completely by plugging the Twister out of power. Measure the real value of the R11 (default nominal value 8R2). Compute the DC current flowing according to Ohm's law as I=U/R. If the is greater than 68mA, replace R11 (8R2) with R14 (10). Reconnect the power of Twister and continue with testing by sending ping's.

Performance Measurements

Default (56-Byte) packet loss

Now measure the packet loss by ping -c 192.168.1.2. The ping must be the Wasenaar's original ping that supports Cisco-style pings (-c). You get packetloss on default-size ping packets (56 bytes) this way.

Maximum distance estimation

Try to increase the distance by moving the mirror more away. With dim lighting in the room you should make around 2.5 meters of total optical path length (it's twice the mirror distance) with practically no packet loss, 3.50m with a big packet loss, and 1.75m with no observable packet loss.

If you are getting substantially smaller ranges (for example 0.7m), something is wrong:

  • The input transistor of the receiver (Q101, BF908 or it's equivalent) can be broken-through. It is caused by inappropriate handling: the device is static electricity sensitive. It can be caused also by soldering with an iron with ungrounded tip or transformer soldering gun can generate spikes during switching. This sometimes manifests as a voltage greater than 0V on P103. My healthy receiver has 0.1mV on P103.

    A breakthrough of G2 sometimes manifests itself as a receiver that is oscillating (doesn't work at all or has inferior range) where the oscillations cease when C103 is removed from the circuit.

    Breakthrough of Q101 can be fixed only by replacing with another one and obeying the rules for manipulation with static electricity sensitive devices.

  • Check the ambient lighting if a lamp is not shining into the receiver or something like that. The distance is dependent on ambient light level but not much severely. I don't know the exact dependence. The bigger lighting the worse is the performance. Those levels are measured during a dim lighting that is in a room during night when lights are on.

Bit Error Rate (BER)

You can compute also the Bit Error Rate (BER). It's the probability that a send bit gets flipped on the track. Use ping -c -l 1472 192.168.1.2. The ping must be the Wasenaar's original ping that supports Cisco-style pings (-c). One packet contains: 1472 bytes of ping data, 8 bytes ICMP header, 20 bytes of IP header, 18 bytes of MAC header, which is 1518 bytes (maximum frame length). Preamble has 8 bytes but only half of the bits when flipped causes reception error, which is 1522 bytes total, which is 12176 bits. Calculate BER=packet_loss/12176.

Mount Thermal Shields

Now mount the thermal shields to both the receiver and transmitter using four M3x10 screws and 12 M3 nuts. Tighten it all together firmly. From steebe at seznam.cz Sun Jun 20 09:45:05 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sun Jun 20 09:45:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister raz dva References: <20040620074935.GC4899@beton.cybernet.src><001001c4569e$98bdbed0$0581000a@steebe> <20040620082144.GB11353@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004f01c456a2$e4514ac0$0581000a@steebe> predpokladam na wikinu :) Hmm - nehlasi se nekdo sikovnej kerymu to postnu a on to tam nahodi ? :) porad z toho nejsem moudrej - podle mne by bylo lepsi a primlouvam se za phpbb forum muze byt jak v anglictine nebo CJ s jednotlivejma threadama a par zodpovednych moderatoru ktery to budou kocirovat aby se tam nepsali kecy atd . vsichny to snad znaj jak je to rozsireny a hlavne je to free :) Nefim to je muj nazor .... ale nereste to, pokud se najde nekdo sikovnej a napise v cestine navod na : wikinu - na wikinu :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister raz dva > Muzes to do navodu dopsat - ja se k tomu ted v blizke dobe pro nedostatek casu > nedostanu. Tady attachuju tetrapolis testing. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 20 10:40:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 20 10:40:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister raz dva In-Reply-To: <004f01c456a2$e4514ac0$0581000a@steebe> References: <20040620082144.GB11353@beton.cybernet.src> <004f01c456a2$e4514ac0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040620094001.GA11502@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 10:45:05AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > predpokladam na wikinu :) Hmm - nehlasi se nekdo sikovnej kerymu to postnu Tohle se hodi jako oficialni soucast stavebniho navodu a tak by to melo byt v navodu a ne ve wikine. > a on to tam nahodi ? :) porad z toho nejsem moudrej - podle mne by bylo > lepsi a primlouvam se za phpbb forum muze byt jak v anglictine nebo CJ s > jednotlivejma threadama a par zodpovednych moderatoru ktery to budou > kocirovat aby se tam nepsali kecy atd . vsichny to snad znaj jak je to > rozsireny a hlavne je to free :) Jak funguje phpbb jsem se presvedcil na czfree. Je tam 89478 prispevku, 18800 clenu a informacni hustota toho vseho je prakticky nulova. Naproti tomu wikina byla pouzita na consume.net a na GNU Radio a tam mi prisla informacni hustota nepomerne vyssi. Tak jsem zvolil wikinu. Dale, ve wikine se mnohem lepe jakakoliv konkretni informace najde, protoze muze byt strukturovana. phpbb je vzdycky jen hromada prispevku vrsicich se na hromadu a dohledat urcitou informaci ve threadu s 1000 prispevky pokud clovek nevi klicova slova je velmi casove narocne. Wikina taky na rozdil od phpbb nepotrebuje moderatora. Kdyby se tam nahodou nejaky sum vyskytl (jako ze jsem teda tento jev jeste u wikiny nevidel, na rozdil u for, kde se vyskytuje pravidelne), muze ho odstranit primo ctenar a nemusi na to byt nejaky moderator, kteremu to bude pridelavat spoustu prace. > Nefim to je muj nazor .... ale nereste to, pokud se najde nekdo sikovnej > a napise v cestine navod na : wikinu - na wikinu :) btw na phpbb navod v cestine je? Cl< From laxx at quick.cz Sun Jun 20 11:49:17 2004 From: laxx at quick.cz (Petr Machan) Date: Sun Jun 20 11:49:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nahrada za BF908 Message-ID: <000201c456b4$4e36c210$0c01a8c0@mypc> Zdravim, poradte mi prosim nejlepsi nahradu za BF908. Diky ------------- dal¹í èást --------------- HTML pøíloha byla odstranìna... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040620/ec7482d8/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 20 14:03:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 20 14:03:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nahrada za BF908 In-Reply-To: <000201c456b4$4e36c210$0c01a8c0@mypc> References: <000201c456b4$4e36c210$0c01a8c0@mypc> Message-ID: <20040620130345.GB12665@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 12:49:17PM +0200, Petr Machan wrote: > Zdravim, > > poradte mi prosim nejlepsi nahradu za BF908. http://ronja.twibright.com/receiver/material.php dole ty co si myslim ze jsou lepsi jsou uvedeny driv. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 20 21:08:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 20 21:09:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB Message-ID: <20040620200858.GA32176@beton.cybernet.src> Gareth Coleman wrote: > I noticed that because twister has lots of capacitors the codes C101-C112 are > present on both the Twister and Receiver. I know it doesn't affect function > at all but if you were able to renumber the receiver circuits (say base > number of 25) then there would be less possible confusion with non-expert > electronics people. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 20 21:26:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 20 21:26:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] lots more questions about building Tetropolis with twister on PCB Message-ID: <20040620202614.GA32232@beton.cybernet.src> Gareth Coleman wrote: > Also for anyone else struggling to get hold of 74HC133 in UK try cpc - > http://custom1.farnell.com/cpc/. Their search function is awful - which is > why I missed it in the first place. The product code is SC74HC13366. I'm > ordering parts next week (hopefully) so if anyone wants me to get them > something they can't buy easily then just ask and maybe I can post you. I suggest you to add this information here: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware Cl< From iproject at iproject.com.br Mon Jun 21 14:41:36 2004 From: iproject at iproject.com.br (Project I.T. & Network) Date: Mon Jun 21 14:41:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 14, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: <20040621110010.5742A19D22@buzius.onda.com.br> References: <20040621110010.5742A19D22@buzius.onda.com.br> Message-ID: <1087825296.40d6e59055726@webmail.onda.com.br> Hi! I'm Alan from Brazil. Congratulations for the ronja's project... I will try to made one but the components list is ok?!? http://ronja.twibright.com/receiver/material.php AND http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/tetrapolis2.components ETC... Maybe need a little correction. EXAMPLE: Resistors, ordinary (250mW), preferrably metallic: ------------------------------------------------------------ 2x 2.2M (M is ok)............................................. 1.60 (0.80) 1x 100k ............................................. 0.80 (0.80) 1x 180k ............................................. 0.80 (0.80) 2x 560 .............................................. 1.60 (0.80) 5x 1k ............................................... 4.00 (0.80) 2x 82k .............................................. 1.60 (0.80) 2x 270 .............................................. 1.60 (0.80) 1x 75? .....(BUT WHAT IS THIS k, M, ......................................... 0.80 (0.80) 1x 12 ............................................... 0.80 (0.80) 2x 18 ............................................... 1.60 (0.80) 1x 22 ............................................... 0.80 (0.80) AND ABOUT Integrated Circuits: ------------------------------------------------------------ ITS POSSIBLE TO CHANGE HC BY LS IC? 4x 74HC00 .......................................... 24.00 (6.00) 8x 74HC04 .......................................... 56.00 (7.00) 2x 74HC32 .......................................... 14.00 (7.00) 2x 74HCT14 ......................................... 16.00 (8.00) 2x 74HC93 .......................................... 35.60 (17.80) 4x 74HC133 ......................................... 28.00 (7.00) 10x 74HC164 ........................................ 131.00 (13.10) 4x 74HC4040 ........................................ 51.20 (12.80) THANKS A LOT And when do you come to Brazil Karel! Do you accept invites? Thanks! Forgive my english... Alan Citando ronja-request@lists.pointless.net: | Send Ronja mailing list submissions to | ronja@lists.pointless.net | | To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit | http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja | or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to | ronja-request@lists.pointless.net | | You can reach the person managing the list at | ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net | | When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific | than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." | ---------------------------------------------------------------- Mensagem Enviada utilizando o Onda Mail. http://www.onda.com.br Onda Provedor de Servicos S/A From alexandre at vcs.com.br Wed Jun 23 07:22:07 2004 From: alexandre at vcs.com.br (alexandre@vcs.com.br) Date: Wed Jun 23 07:22:07 2004 Subject: Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 14, Issue 39 Message-ID: <000501c44d8d$a5235460$0200a8c0@ale> Hi Alan? Where you from? What brazilian city? I have bought all components to build the Ronja and I want to build it up to Jule. I know more 3 people at Brazil than want to build the Ronja (S?o Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Santa Rita do Sapuca?-MG and me, in Curitiba). Well, Im writing this e-mail in english because the czechs could to think strange the portuguese (like the czech language its for us). Well, Im waiting contacts. Bye, Alexandre Hoffmann Ventura 23/06/2004 ICQ: 30090722 e-mail: alexandre@vcs.com.br Curitiba / Matinhos - PR ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Project I.T. & Network" Reply-To: Twibright Ronja Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:41:36 -0300 >Hi! >I'm Alan from Brazil. >Congratulations for the ronja's project... >I will try to made one but the components list is ok?!? >http://ronja.twibright.com/receiver/material.php AND >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/tetrapolis2.components ETC... >Maybe need a little correction. >EXAMPLE: >Resistors, ordinary (250mW), preferrably metallic: >------------------------------------------------------------ > 2x 2.2M (M is ok)............................................. 1.60 (0.8= 0) > 1x 100k ............................................. 0.80 (0.80) > 1x 180k ............................................. 0.80 (0.80) > 2x 560 .............................................. 1.60 (0.80) > 5x 1k ............................................... 4.00 (0.80) > 2x 82k .............................................. 1.60 (0.80) > 2x 270 .............................................. 1.60 (0.80) > 1x 75? .....(BUT WHAT IS THIS k, M, ....................................= ..... >0.80 (0.80) > 1x 12 ............................................... 0.80 (0.80) > 2x 18 ............................................... 1.60 (0.80) > 1x 22 ............................................... 0.80 (0.80) >AND ABOUT >Integrated Circuits: >------------------------------------------------------------ >ITS POSSIBLE TO CHANGE HC BY LS IC? > 4x 74HC00 .......................................... 24.00 (6.00) > 8x 74HC04 .......................................... 56.00 (7.00) > 2x 74HC32 .......................................... 14.00 (7.00) > 2x 74HCT14 ......................................... 16.00 (8.00) > 2x 74HC93 .......................................... 35.60 (17.80) > 4x 74HC133 ......................................... 28.00 (7.00) > 10x 74HC164 ........................................ 131.00 (13.10) > 4x 74HC4040 ........................................ 51.20 (12.80) > >THANKS A LOT >And when do you come to Brazil Karel! Do you accept invites? >Thanks! >Forgive my english... >Alan > >Citando ronja-request@lists.pointless.net: > >| Send Ronja mailing list submissions to >| ronja@lists.pointless.net >| >| To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >| http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >| or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >| ronja-request@lists.pointless.net >| >| You can reach the person managing the list at >| ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net >| >| When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >| than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." >| > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Mensagem Enviada utilizando o Onda Mail. >http://www.onda.com.br >Onda Provedor de Servicos S/A > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From alexandre at vcs.com.br Wed Jun 23 07:22:48 2004 From: alexandre at vcs.com.br (alexandre@vcs.com.br) Date: Wed Jun 23 07:22:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] About the Ronja project`s phisycal address Message-ID: <000b01c44d8d$bee62da0$0200a8c0@ale> Hi Clock, Do you can to send me the phisycal address of your project? Why? Well, Im brazilian (with money to donate :-) but I want to donate a typical brazilian tea called "Ch? Mate" (Mate Tea). Its very good to you and your friend to drink while are projecting. I could to donate other thing from my land if you want. What? But this tea its very good. Ch? Matte official site: http://www.leaojunior.com.br/produtos/saquinho.htm Do you accept? Thanks, Alexandre Hoffmann Ventura 23/06/2004 From kubajz at kbx.cz Wed Jun 23 08:52:33 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?B?S3ViYSBT/WtvcmE=?=) Date: Wed Jun 23 08:52:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] About the Ronja project`s phisycal address In-Reply-To: <000b01c44d8d$bee62da0$0200a8c0@ale> References: <000b01c44d8d$bee62da0$0200a8c0@ale> Message-ID: <133314305.20040623095233@kbx.cz> Hi all people from Brazil, I have to agree with you, that Mat? is very good tea-like drink. It has very good effect in cleaning organism and also very very good stirring up effect :) I drink it since I was 15 and I graduated from high school especially due to mat?. Bye, Kuba S?kora - kubajz@kbx.cz P.S.: Biggest theoretic on the whole World :) ------------------------------------ avcb> Hi Clock, avcb> Do you can to send me the phisycal address of your project? Why? Well, Im avcb> brazilian (with money to donate :-) but I want to donate a typical brazilian avcb> tea called "Ch? Mate" (Mate Tea). Its very good to you and your friend to avcb> drink while are projecting. I could to donate other thing from my land if avcb> you want. What? But this tea its very good. avcb> Ch? Matte official site: avcb> http://www.leaojunior.com.br/produtos/saquinho.htm avcb> Do you accept? avcb> Thanks, avcb> Alexandre Hoffmann Ventura avcb> 23/06/2004 avcb> _______________________________________________ avcb> Ronja mailing list avcb> Ronja@lists.pointless.net avcb> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Wed Jun 23 12:08:00 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Wed Jun 23 12:08:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A53A@vestex01.vest.corp> Ahoj, Objednavam si online soucastky v GM a nemuzu tam najit DS26LS32 (nasel jsem 26LS32 Je to stejne?) DS26LS31 Kdo se tam pohybuje - ve ktere kategorii jsou? A taky oscilator 16MHz. Nasel jsem tam dva. Ktery podle kat.cisla to je? Aby mi pasoval na tistak... Dik. -- Kosac From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 13:24:40 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 13:24:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A53A@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A53A@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <40D97688.8010008@fear.cz> nazev nazev GME cislo twister DS26LS32 26LS32 433-002 U62 DS26LS31 26LS31 433-001 U58 16mhz k.o. QO 16MHZ 132-021 U69 macros kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Ahoj, > > Objednavam si online soucastky v GM a nemuzu tam najit > DS26LS32 (nasel jsem 26LS32 Je to stejne?) > DS26LS31 > > Kdo se tam pohybuje - ve ktere kategorii jsou? > > A taky oscilator 16MHz. Nasel jsem tam dva. > Ktery podle kat.cisla to je? Aby mi pasoval na tistak... > > Dik. From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Wed Jun 23 13:49:17 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Wed Jun 23 13:49:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> Super. Dik. Jeste jedna vec - Clock pise v navodu: Resistors, ordinary (250mW), preferrably metallic Ted nevim co mam vzit (odpor 220ohm): 119-059 RRU 220R odpor uhl?kov? 0,25W 5% 0207 119-308 MPR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 0,1% vel.0207 119-160 MRR 220R odpor metal.0,4W 1% 50ppm 0204 110-057 RR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 1% 50ppm.0207 Jak se mam vyznat v tech velikostech? To samy v kondenzatorech (220n): (asi tenhle prvni) 120-169 CK 220N Z5U keramick? konden. 50V RM=5mm 120-062 CK 220N/63V Keramick? kondenz?tor 220nF 63V RM=5,04mm Z5U AMMOPACK 120-078 CK 220N/63V2 Keramick? kondenz?tor 220 nF 63V Z5U RM=2,54mm A v elytech se uz vubec nevyznam... :-( 100M je 100uF ? Dik za objasneni. -- Kosac > > > nazev nazev GME cislo twister > DS26LS32 26LS32 433-002 U62 > DS26LS31 26LS31 433-001 U58 > 16mhz k.o. QO 16MHZ 132-021 U69 > > macros > > kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > Objednavam si online soucastky v GM a nemuzu tam najit > > DS26LS32 (nasel jsem 26LS32 Je to stejne?) > > DS26LS31 > > > > Kdo se tam pohybuje - ve ktere kategorii jsou? > > > > A taky oscilator 16MHz. Nasel jsem tam dva. > > Ktery podle kat.cisla to je? Aby mi pasoval na tistak... > > > > Dik. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 13:58:31 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 13:58:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <40D97E77.5050506@fear.cz> kondenzator: CK 220N X7R 120-062 odpor: RR 220R 110-057 elektrolyty: E100M/16V 123-113 E100M/10V MXB 123-477 macros kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Super. Dik. > > Jeste jedna vec - Clock pise v navodu: > Resistors, ordinary (250mW), preferrably metallic > Ted nevim co mam vzit (odpor 220ohm): > > 119-059 RRU 220R odpor uhl?kov? 0,25W 5% 0207 > 119-308 MPR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 0,1% vel.0207 > 119-160 MRR 220R odpor metal.0,4W 1% 50ppm 0204 > 110-057 RR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 1% 50ppm.0207 > > Jak se mam vyznat v tech velikostech? > To samy v kondenzatorech (220n): > (asi tenhle prvni) > 120-169 CK 220N Z5U keramick? konden. 50V RM=5mm > 120-062 CK 220N/63V Keramick? kondenz?tor 220nF 63V RM=5,04mm Z5U AMMOPACK > 120-078 CK 220N/63V2 Keramick? kondenz?tor 220 nF 63V Z5U RM=2,54mm > > A v elytech se uz vubec nevyznam... :-( > 100M je 100uF ? > > Dik za objasneni. From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 14:23:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 14:23:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM In-Reply-To: <40D97E77.5050506@fear.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <40D97E77.5050506@fear.cz> Message-ID: <20040623132324.GA3327@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 02:58:31PM +0200, Macros The Black wrote: > kondenzator: > CK 220N X7R 120-062 > > odpor: > RR 220R 110-057 Takze velikost 0207? Je to nejaky standardizovany oznaceni ty velikosti? Pokud ano, mohl bych to napsat do tech seznamu soucastek, ne? Cl< > > elektrolyty: > E100M/16V 123-113 > E100M/10V MXB 123-477 > > macros > > kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > >Super. Dik. > > > >Jeste jedna vec - Clock pise v navodu: > >Resistors, ordinary (250mW), preferrably metallic > >Ted nevim co mam vzit (odpor 220ohm): > > > >119-059 RRU 220R odpor uhl?kov? 0,25W 5% 0207 > >119-308 MPR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 0,1% vel.0207 > >119-160 MRR 220R odpor metal.0,4W 1% 50ppm 0204 > >110-057 RR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 1% 50ppm.0207 > > > >Jak se mam vyznat v tech velikostech? > >To samy v kondenzatorech (220n): > >(asi tenhle prvni) > >120-169 CK 220N Z5U keramick? konden. 50V RM=5mm > >120-062 CK 220N/63V Keramick? kondenz?tor 220nF 63V RM=5,04mm > >Z5U AMMOPACK > >120-078 CK 220N/63V2 Keramick? kondenz?tor 220 nF 63V Z5U > >RM=2,54mm > > > >A v elytech se uz vubec nevyznam... :-( > >100M je 100uF ? > > > >Dik za objasneni. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Wed Jun 23 14:25:57 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Wed Jun 23 14:26:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> Prijdes, reknes ze chces odpor 220ohm a je to... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM > Super. Dik. > > Jeste jedna vec - Clock pise v navodu: > Resistors, ordinary (250mW), preferrably metallic > Ted nevim co mam vzit (odpor 220ohm): > > 119-059 RRU 220R odpor uhl?kov? 0,25W 5% 0207 > 119-308 MPR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 0,1% vel.0207 > 119-160 MRR 220R odpor metal.0,4W 1% 50ppm 0204 > 110-057 RR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 1% 50ppm.0207 > > Jak se mam vyznat v tech velikostech? > To samy v kondenzatorech (220n): > (asi tenhle prvni) > 120-169 CK 220N Z5U keramick? konden. 50V RM=5mm > 120-062 CK 220N/63V Keramick? kondenz?tor 220nF 63V RM=5,04mm Z5U AMMOPACK > 120-078 CK 220N/63V2 Keramick? kondenz?tor 220 nF 63V Z5U RM=2,54mm > > A v elytech se uz vubec nevyznam... :-( > 100M je 100uF ? > > Dik za objasneni. > -- > Kosac > > > > > > > nazev nazev GME cislo twister > > DS26LS32 26LS32 433-002 U62 > > DS26LS31 26LS31 433-001 U58 > > 16mhz k.o. QO 16MHZ 132-021 U69 > > > > macros > > > > kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > > Ahoj, > > > > > > Objednavam si online soucastky v GM a nemuzu tam najit > > > DS26LS32 (nasel jsem 26LS32 Je to stejne?) > > > DS26LS31 > > > > > > Kdo se tam pohybuje - ve ktere kategorii jsou? > > > > > > A taky oscilator 16MHz. Nasel jsem tam dva. > > > Ktery podle kat.cisla to je? Aby mi pasoval na tistak... > > > > > > Dik. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Wed Jun 23 14:38:49 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Wed Jun 23 14:38:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A541@vestex01.vest.corp> Objednavam to pres web. Jsem zdaleka :-( -- Kosac > -----Original Message----- > From: Jaroslav Mixa [mailto:mixaj@mymail.cz] > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:26 PM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM > > > Prijdes, reknes ze chces odpor 220ohm a je to... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:49 PM > Subject: RE: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM > > > > Super. Dik. > > > > Jeste jedna vec - Clock pise v navodu: > > Resistors, ordinary (250mW), preferrably metallic > > Ted nevim co mam vzit (odpor 220ohm): > > > > 119-059 RRU 220R odpor uhl?kov? 0,25W 5% 0207 > > 119-308 MPR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 0,1% vel.0207 > > 119-160 MRR 220R odpor metal.0,4W 1% 50ppm 0204 > > 110-057 RR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 1% 50ppm.0207 > > > > Jak se mam vyznat v tech velikostech? > > To samy v kondenzatorech (220n): > > (asi tenhle prvni) > > 120-169 CK 220N Z5U keramick? konden. 50V RM=5mm > > 120-062 CK 220N/63V Keramick? kondenz?tor 220nF 63V > RM=5,04mm Z5U AMMOPACK > > 120-078 CK 220N/63V2 Keramick? kondenz?tor 220 nF 63V Z5U RM=2,54mm > > > > A v elytech se uz vubec nevyznam... :-( > > 100M je 100uF ? > > > > Dik za objasneni. > > -- > > Kosac > > > > > > > > > > > nazev nazev GME cislo twister > > > DS26LS32 26LS32 433-002 U62 > > > DS26LS31 26LS31 433-001 U58 > > > 16mhz k.o. QO 16MHZ 132-021 U69 > > > > > > macros > > > > > > kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > > > Ahoj, > > > > > > > > Objednavam si online soucastky v GM a nemuzu tam najit > > > > DS26LS32 (nasel jsem 26LS32 Je to stejne?) > > > > DS26LS31 > > > > > > > > Kdo se tam pohybuje - ve ktere kategorii jsou? > > > > > > > > A taky oscilator 16MHz. Nasel jsem tam dva. > > > > Ktery podle kat.cisla to je? Aby mi pasoval na tistak... > > > > > > > > Dik. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Wed Jun 23 14:39:03 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Wed Jun 23 14:39:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A542@vestex01.vest.corp> Super. Dik. -- Kosac > -----Original Message----- > From: Macros The Black [mailto:macros@fear.cz] > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:59 PM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM > > > kondenzator: > CK 220N X7R 120-062 > > odpor: > RR 220R 110-057 > > elektrolyty: > E100M/16V 123-113 > E100M/10V MXB 123-477 > > macros > > kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > Super. Dik. > > > > Jeste jedna vec - Clock pise v navodu: > > Resistors, ordinary (250mW), preferrably metallic > > Ted nevim co mam vzit (odpor 220ohm): > > > > 119-059 RRU 220R odpor uhl?kov? 0,25W 5% 0207 > > 119-308 MPR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 0,1% vel.0207 > > 119-160 MRR 220R odpor metal.0,4W 1% 50ppm 0204 > > 110-057 RR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 1% 50ppm.0207 > > > > Jak se mam vyznat v tech velikostech? > > To samy v kondenzatorech (220n): > > (asi tenhle prvni) > > 120-169 CK 220N Z5U keramick? konden. 50V RM=5mm > > 120-062 CK 220N/63V Keramick? kondenz?tor 220nF 63V > RM=5,04mm Z5U AMMOPACK > > 120-078 CK 220N/63V2 Keramick? kondenz?tor 220 nF > 63V Z5U RM=2,54mm > > > > A v elytech se uz vubec nevyznam... :-( > > 100M je 100uF ? > > > > Dik za objasneni. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 17:07:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 17:07:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A53A@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A53A@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20040623160733.GA3481@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 01:08:00PM +0200, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Ahoj, > > Objednavam si online soucastky v GM a nemuzu tam najit > DS26LS32 (nasel jsem 26LS32 Je to stejne?) Od jakeho to je vyrobce? > DS26LS31 > > Kdo se tam pohybuje - ve ktere kategorii jsou? > > A taky oscilator 16MHz. Nasel jsem tam dva. > Ktery podle kat.cisla to je? Aby mi pasoval na tistak... DIL 14 pouzdro Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 17:14:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 17:14:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20040623161440.GF3481@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 02:49:17PM +0200, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Super. Dik. > > Jeste jedna vec - Clock pise v navodu: > Resistors, ordinary (250mW), preferrably metallic > Ted nevim co mam vzit (odpor 220ohm): > > 119-059 RRU 220R odpor uhl?kov? 0,25W 5% 0207 > 119-308 MPR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 0,1% vel.0207 > 119-160 MRR 220R odpor metal.0,4W 1% 50ppm 0204 > 110-057 RR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 1% 50ppm.0207 > > Jak se mam vyznat v tech velikostech? > To samy v kondenzatorech (220n): > (asi tenhle prvni) > 120-169 CK 220N Z5U keramick? konden. 50V RM=5mm > 120-062 CK 220N/63V Keramick? kondenz?tor 220nF 63V RM=5,04mm Z5U AMMOPACK > 120-078 CK 220N/63V2 Keramick? kondenz?tor 220 nF 63V Z5U RM=2,54mm Napsal jem do todo listu ze se ma predelat generovani hlavicek seznamu soucastek tak aby se rozlisovalo jestli je to vrabci hnizdo nebo ne a pokud ano, tak aby se do hlavicky psala i specifikace rozmeru pouzdra. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Wed Jun 23 17:36:12 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Wed Jun 23 17:38:59 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_Twister_-_testov=E1n=ED_v_loopback_modu_pod_Wi?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?ndows.?= References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Zd?rek. Jak otestovat Twistera v loopback modu pod Widlema na jednom PC? Mus?m tomu adapt?ru ve win nastavit dv? IP, ?e? A pak tam p?ipoj?m Rx a Tx a potom co d?l? Kdy? budu pingovat jak?koliv IP, tak mi to dopingne i bez Twistera. From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 17:57:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 17:57:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testov In-Reply-To: <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:36:12PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Zd?rek. > > Jak otestovat Twistera v loopback modu pod Widlema na jednom PC? > Mus?m tomu adapt?ru ve win nastavit dv? IP, ?e? A pak tam p?ipoj?m Rx a Tx a > potom co d?l? > Kdy? budu pingovat jak?koliv IP, tak mi to dopingne i bez Twistera. Daji se otestovat 2 twistery pomoci 2 pociatu ale navod na to jeste neni napsanej. Rikal jsem uz polousovi a nevim komu kdo to byl ten druhej kdo to se mnou resil at to napisou, ale zatim nic. Tak to asi budu muset udelat ja, ale to az se vyresi veci s vyssi prioritou. Cl< From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Jun 23 18:04:12 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Wed Jun 23 17:59:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nejake dotazy Message-ID: <20040623170412.GA8528@feanor> Dobry den Dal jsem se do stavby ronji (twister) a mam nekolik dotazu: Stavim ronju na plosnaky, co se objednavali u Michala Knezourka pri hromadne objednavce. Na tom plosnaku je rev. 20040408. Muzu bez problemu pouzivat ten navod (pro modul twister), co je na strankach ronji, nebo bych mel nekde sehnat navod k teto revizi (aby tam nebyly napriklad precislovane nejake soucastky a pod)? Obecneji - da se stavet podle stranek ronji, aniz bych mel obavy, ze se me navod bude podstatne menit pod rukama, nebo si mam radsi udelat lokalni kopii celeho navodu? Planuji dat twister do krabicky U-AH 303 (127*86*46). Rozmery v navodu pro krabicku jsou vsak vyrazne vetsi. Je pro to nejaky zavazny duvod (krom toho, ze se me to tam bude tesnat), respektive myslite, ze s touto krabickou by mohl byt nejaky problem (jiny, nez ze se to tam fyzicky nevejde)? Koaxialni kabely spojujici Rx, Tx a Twister maji mit nejakou konkretni impedanci, nebo mohu v klidu pouzit jak 50 Ohm, tak 75 Ohm koaxy? -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040623/2aa7247e/attachment.bin From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 18:04:38 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 18:04:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testov In-Reply-To: <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> hmm, myslel jsem, ze jde, vezmu-li twistera, spojim signal rx & tx + smaznu z routovaci tabulky local prislusnou adresu, otestovat samotny modul, neni to stejne, jako kdyz dva twistery propojim, rx1<->tx2, tx1<->rx2, gnd1<->gnd2 a pripojim je bud do ruznejch stroju, pripadne do dvou sitovek v jednom, kdyz zase smazu prislusny lokalni routy.. nemelo by jit taky otestovat samotne moduly na lince, pokud budu mit jednu plne funkcni stranu a na druhe strane dotahnu k rx 12V, k tx prislusnou zem a propojim signaly? (zase pomoci pingu pres ten interface na lokalni adresu) temito testy by se daly postupne vylucovat poruchy jednotlivych casti elektronik spoje ... macros Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:36:12PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > >>Zd?rek. >> >>Jak otestovat Twistera v loopback modu pod Widlema na jednom PC? >>Mus?m tomu adapt?ru ve win nastavit dv? IP, ?e? A pak tam p?ipoj?m Rx a Tx a >>potom co d?l? >>Kdy? budu pingovat jak?koliv IP, tak mi to dopingne i bez Twistera. > > > Daji se otestovat 2 twistery pomoci 2 pociatu ale navod na to jeste neni > napsanej. Rikal jsem uz polousovi a nevim komu kdo to byl ten druhej kdo to se > mnou resil at to napisou, ale zatim nic. Tak to asi budu muset udelat ja, ale > to az se vyresi veci s vyssi prioritou. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Jun 23 19:20:59 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Jun 23 19:25:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testov In-Reply-To: <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> Message-ID: <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> Ditaz znel na Windows. Nevim jestli to u nich jde a jak se to nastavuje. Na testovani AUIcka to tak mam: jedna full duplexi karta, ma dve IP adresy a pinga se z jedny na druhou. Ale je to na Linuxu a neptejte se me jak je to udelany, protoze to nevim :-) Jednodussi je vsechny Rx a Tx zkouset na jednom AUI nebo TP interface. Tebou popisovana metoda je samo pouzitelna, ale vnasi tam moc mist, kde lze udelat chybu. OndraT MTB> hmm, MTB> myslel jsem, ze jde, vezmu-li twistera, spojim signal rx & tx + MTB> smaznu z routovaci tabulky local prislusnou adresu, otestovat MTB> samotny modul, neni to stejne, jako kdyz dva twistery propojim, MTB> rx1<->tx2, tx1<->rx2, gnd1<->gnd2 a pripojim je bud do ruznejch MTB> stroju, pripadne do dvou sitovek v jednom, kdyz zase smazu prislusny MTB> lokalni routy.. MTB> nemelo by jit taky otestovat samotne moduly na lince, pokud budu mit MTB> jednu plne funkcni stranu a na druhe strane dotahnu k rx 12V, k tx MTB> prislusnou zem a propojim signaly=3F (zase pomoci pingu pres ten inter= face MTB> na lokalni adresu) temito testy by se daly postupne vylucovat poruchy MTB> jednotlivych casti elektronik spoje ... MTB> macros MTB> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:36:12PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >>=20 >>>Zd=E1rek. >>> >>>Jak otestovat Twistera v loopback modu pod Widlema na jednom PC=3F >>>Mus=EDm tomu adapt=E9ru ve win nastavit dv=9A IP, =9Ee=3F A pak tam p=F8= ipoj=EDm Rx a Tx a >>>potom co d=E1l=3F >>>Kdy=9E budu pingovat jak=E9koliv IP, tak mi to dopingne i bez Twistera. >>=20 >>=20 >> Daji se otestovat 2 twistery pomoci 2 pociatu ale navod na to jeste neni >> napsanej. Rikal jsem uz polousovi a nevim komu kdo to byl ten druhej kdo= to se >> mnou resil at to napisou, ale zatim nic. Tak to asi budu muset udelat ja= , ale >> to az se vyresi veci s vyssi prioritou. >>=20 >> Cl< >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja MTB> _______________________________________________ MTB> Ronja mailing list MTB> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MTB> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 19:29:57 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 19:30:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testov In-Reply-To: <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> Message-ID: <40D9CC25.7070405@fear.cz> Cau, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ditaz znel na Windows. Nevim jestli to u nich jde a jak se to > nastavuje. aha, to jsem prehledl .. > Jednodussi je vsechny Rx a Tx zkouset na jednom AUI nebo TP interface. > Tebou popisovana metoda je samo pouzitelna, ale vnasi tam moc mist, > kde lze udelat chybu. No, to si nemyslim .. co se tyce testovani dvou twisteru soucasne jejich propojenim, tak to je proste jenom urychleni, nez je testovat zvlast.. Co se tyce testovani samotnych RX/TX, tak tim si overis, jestli neni treba nejaka fakt haluzni chyba v interfacu... jinak v tom nevidim jinej problem .. macros > OndraT > > MTB> hmm, > MTB> myslel jsem, ze jde, vezmu-li twistera, spojim signal rx & tx + > MTB> smaznu z routovaci tabulky local prislusnou adresu, otestovat > MTB> samotny modul, neni to stejne, jako kdyz dva twistery propojim, > MTB> rx1<->tx2, tx1<->rx2, gnd1<->gnd2 a pripojim je bud do ruznejch > MTB> stroju, pripadne do dvou sitovek v jednom, kdyz zase smazu prislusny > MTB> lokalni routy.. > MTB> nemelo by jit taky otestovat samotne moduly na lince, pokud budu mit > MTB> jednu plne funkcni stranu a na druhe strane dotahnu k rx 12V, k tx > MTB> prislusnou zem a propojim signaly? (zase pomoci pingu pres ten interface > MTB> na lokalni adresu) temito testy by se daly postupne vylucovat poruchy > MTB> jednotlivych casti elektronik spoje ... > > MTB> macros > > MTB> Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >>>On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:36:12PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Zdárek. >>>> >>>>Jak otestovat Twistera v loopback modu pod Widlema na jednom PC? >>>>Musím tomu adaptéru ve win nastavit dvš IP, že? A pak tam pøipojím Rx a Tx a >>>>potom co dál? >>>>Když budu pingovat jakékoliv IP, tak mi to dopingne i bez Twistera. >>> >>> >>>Daji se otestovat 2 twistery pomoci 2 pociatu ale navod na to jeste neni >>>napsanej. Rikal jsem uz polousovi a nevim komu kdo to byl ten druhej kdo to se >>>mnou resil at to napisou, ale zatim nic. Tak to asi budu muset udelat ja, ale >>>to az se vyresi veci s vyssi prioritou. >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > MTB> _______________________________________________ > MTB> Ronja mailing list > MTB> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > MTB> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kero at matfyz.cz Wed Jun 23 19:49:48 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Wed Jun 23 19:51:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kondenzator Message-ID: <40D9D0CC.5050508@matfyz.cz> Ahojky, byl jsem v gme a nakoupil jsem si nejake soucastky. Jenomze po tom, co jsem dorazil domu jsem zjistil, ze mi misto kondenzatoru 470uF/16V dali 470uF/25V mam si jit pro nove(ja pro ne asi dojdu, ale co tahle zmena ovlivni)? Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero From kero at matfyz.cz Wed Jun 23 19:52:31 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Wed Jun 23 19:54:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kondenzator In-Reply-To: <40D9D0CC.5050508@matfyz.cz> References: <40D9D0CC.5050508@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <40D9D16F.1020601@matfyz.cz> Asi bych mel jeste rict, ze to je v tx(i kdyz mam pocit, ze v jine casti nez tx to neni) Kero Kero napsal(a): > Ahojky, > byl jsem v gme a nakoupil jsem si nejake soucastky. Jenomze po tom, co > jsem dorazil domu jsem zjistil, ze mi misto kondenzatoru 470uF/16V dali > 470uF/25V mam si jit pro nove(ja pro ne asi dojdu, ale co tahle zmena > ovlivni)? > Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 23 20:01:58 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=9Aek?=) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:01:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testov References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp><013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo><002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo><20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> Message-ID: <001901c45954$8f006830$0103450a@thechosen> dve ip prave mit nesmi :) ip ma jedno ale druhe ip se tam prida jen arp zaznam. a kdyz pingas to "druhe ip" OS vi ze to ip existuje (ma prirazenej mac) a posle to pres routu pres stejnou sitovku ven kde se to loopbackem vrati. jenze protoze ta ip prakticky eexistuej packet to zahodi a jen tcpdump rekneze tam prisel packet na to ip a mac. kdyby si tam priradil dve ip tak to pingas lokalne a nejde to ze sitovky ven. Glo Ditaz znel na Windows. Nevim jestli to u nich jde a jak se to nastavuje. Na testovani AUIcka to tak mam: jedna full duplexi karta, ma dve IP adresy a pinga se z jedny na druhou. Ale je to na Linuxu a neptejte se me jak je to udelany, protoze to nevim :-) Jednodussi je vsechny Rx a Tx zkouset na jednom AUI nebo TP interface. Tebou popisovana metoda je samo pouzitelna, ale vnasi tam moc mist, kde lze udelat chybu. OndraT MTB> hmm, MTB> myslel jsem, ze jde, vezmu-li twistera, spojim signal rx & tx + MTB> smaznu z routovaci tabulky local prislusnou adresu, otestovat MTB> samotny modul, neni to stejne, jako kdyz dva twistery propojim, MTB> rx1<->tx2, tx1<->rx2, gnd1<->gnd2 a pripojim je bud do ruznejch MTB> stroju, pripadne do dvou sitovek v jednom, kdyz zase smazu prislusny MTB> lokalni routy.. MTB> nemelo by jit taky otestovat samotne moduly na lince, pokud budu mit MTB> jednu plne funkcni stranu a na druhe strane dotahnu k rx 12V, k tx MTB> prislusnou zem a propojim signaly? (zase pomoci pingu pres ten interface MTB> na lokalni adresu) temito testy by se daly postupne vylucovat poruchy MTB> jednotlivych casti elektronik spoje ... MTB> macros MTB> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:36:12PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >> >>>Zdárek. >>> >>>Jak otestovat Twistera v loopback modu pod Widlema na jednom PC? >>>Musím tomu adaptéru ve win nastavit dvš IP, že? A pak tam pøipojím Rx a Tx a >>>potom co dál? >>>Když budu pingovat jakékoliv IP, tak mi to dopingne i bez Twistera. >> >> >> Daji se otestovat 2 twistery pomoci 2 pociatu ale navod na to jeste neni >> napsanej. Rikal jsem uz polousovi a nevim komu kdo to byl ten druhej kdo to se >> mnou resil at to napisou, ale zatim nic. Tak to asi budu muset udelat ja, ale >> to az se vyresi veci s vyssi prioritou. >> >> Cl< >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja MTB> _______________________________________________ MTB> Ronja mailing list MTB> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MTB> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 23 20:03:02 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:02:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kondenzator References: <40D9D0CC.5050508@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <002701c45954$b5945a60$0103450a@thechosen> je tu uplne jedno, kdy zto je na vyzsi napeti tak to nevadi, jen to muze byt vetsi ale to je fuk Glo > Ahojky, > byl jsem v gme a nakoupil jsem si nejake soucastky. Jenomze po tom, co jsem > dorazil domu jsem zjistil, ze mi misto kondenzatoru 470uF/16V dali 470uF/25V mam > si jit pro nove(ja pro ne asi dojdu, ale co tahle zmena ovlivni)? > Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 20:06:52 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:06:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testov In-Reply-To: <001901c45954$8f006830$0103450a@thechosen> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp><013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo><002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo><20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <001901c45954$8f006830$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <40D9D4CC.5040909@fear.cz> Michal Malùšek wrote: > kdyby si tam priradil dve ip tak to pingas lokalne a nejde to ze sitovky > ven. ne. viz uprava smerovaci tabulky local, jak jsem psal. macros > Ditaz znel na Windows. Nevim jestli to u nich jde a jak se to > nastavuje. > > Na testovani AUIcka to tak mam: jedna full duplexi karta, ma dve IP > adresy a pinga se z jedny na druhou. Ale je to na Linuxu a neptejte se > me jak je to udelany, protoze to nevim :-) > > Jednodussi je vsechny Rx a Tx zkouset na jednom AUI nebo TP interface. > Tebou popisovana metoda je samo pouzitelna, ale vnasi tam moc mist, > kde lze udelat chybu. > > OndraT > > MTB> hmm, > MTB> myslel jsem, ze jde, vezmu-li twistera, spojim signal rx & tx + > MTB> smaznu z routovaci tabulky local prislusnou adresu, otestovat > MTB> samotny modul, neni to stejne, jako kdyz dva twistery propojim, > MTB> rx1<->tx2, tx1<->rx2, gnd1<->gnd2 a pripojim je bud do ruznejch > MTB> stroju, pripadne do dvou sitovek v jednom, kdyz zase smazu prislusny > MTB> lokalni routy.. > MTB> nemelo by jit taky otestovat samotne moduly na lince, pokud budu mit > MTB> jednu plne funkcni stranu a na druhe strane dotahnu k rx 12V, k tx > MTB> prislusnou zem a propojim signaly? (zase pomoci pingu pres ten > interface > MTB> na lokalni adresu) temito testy by se daly postupne vylucovat poruchy > MTB> jednotlivych casti elektronik spoje ... > > MTB> macros > > MTB> Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >>>On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:36:12PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Zdárek. >>>> >>>>Jak otestovat Twistera v loopback modu pod Widlema na jednom PC? >>>>Musím tomu adaptéru ve win nastavit dvš IP, že? A pak tam pøipojím Rx a > > Tx a > >>>>potom co dál? >>>>Když budu pingovat jakékoliv IP, tak mi to dopingne i bez Twistera. >>> >>> >>>Daji se otestovat 2 twistery pomoci 2 pociatu ale navod na to jeste neni >>>napsanej. Rikal jsem uz polousovi a nevim komu kdo to byl ten druhej kdo > > to se > >>>mnou resil at to napisou, ale zatim nic. Tak to asi budu muset udelat ja, > > ale > >>>to az se vyresi veci s vyssi prioritou. >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > MTB> _______________________________________________ > MTB> Ronja mailing list > MTB> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > MTB> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Jun 23 20:08:56 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:09:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> Message-ID: <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. Zkousel=20 jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak ping mezi=20 nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data nejdou a sit=20 si odpovida sama) Testuju v Knoppixu a myslim, ze to zvladne kazdy. popisu postup pro kartu 3Com 59x(90x) 1. Stahnete si ISO image Knoppixu a vypalte. 2. Restart pocitace a boot z CD. Mrkne na vas prompt, staci potvrdit=20 Enterem a pockejte nez nabehne graficke rozhrani KDE. 3. mysi otevrte menu (tlacitko vlevo dole, nebo klavesnice Alt-F1)=20 vyberte KNOPPIX - Root shell 4. do prikazove radky zadejte "modprobe 3c59x options=3D0 full_duplex=3D1= "=20 pro testovani TP nebo "modprobe 3c59x options=3D1 full_duplex=3D1" pro A= UI=20 (jina sitova karta =3D jiny prikaz, nekdy lze tento krok vynechat, ale=20 pro jistotu je treba kartu nastavit) 5. spuste prikaz "netcardconfig", v prvnich dvou dialogovych okynkach=20 vyberte DHCP - NO, IP adresa napr. 10.10.10.10 a zbytek staci odklikat=20 az do konce. 6. otervte pres menu druhy terminal KNOPPIX - Root shell a zadejte do=20 nej prikaz tcpdump -i eth0 7. vratte se zpet do prvniho okna a dejte prikaz ping "10.10.10.11" 9. v druhem okne uvidite vypis paketu, ktere jsou na sitovem zarizeni 10. bez propojeni TX a RX na sitovce by se mely kazdou sekundu objevovat=20 radek s 2 dulezitymi informacemi: a. cas presny na tisiciny napr 16:28:28.269 b. informace o paketu, napr. "arp who-has 10.10.10.11 tell 10.10.10.10"=20 (nebo podobne) je to dotaz na MAC adresu s IP 10.10.10.11 11. pri propojeni TX a RX uvidite behem sekundy dva takoveto pakety s=20 casovym posunem nekolika tisicin poznamka: po startu tcpdump nekdy trva az minutu nez zacne neco=20 vypisovat, tak je treba chvilku pockat pokud jsem nekde udelal chybu opravte me. Honza PS: kdo dosud nevidel linux asi bude koukat, jak je to jednoduchy ;-) Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ditaz znel na Windows. Nevim jestli to u nich jde a jak se to > nastavuje. >=20 > Na testovani AUIcka to tak mam: jedna full duplexi karta, ma dve IP > adresy a pinga se z jedny na druhou. Ale je to na Linuxu a neptejte se > me jak je to udelany, protoze to nevim :-) >=20 > Jednodussi je vsechny Rx a Tx zkouset na jednom AUI nebo TP interface. > Tebou popisovana metoda je samo pouzitelna, ale vnasi tam moc mist, > kde lze udelat chybu. >=20 > OndraT >=20 > MTB> hmm, > MTB> myslel jsem, ze jde, vezmu-li twistera, spojim signal rx & tx + > MTB> smaznu z routovaci tabulky local prislusnou adresu, otestovat > MTB> samotny modul, neni to stejne, jako kdyz dva twistery propojim, > MTB> rx1<->tx2, tx1<->rx2, gnd1<->gnd2 a pripojim je bud do ruznejch > MTB> stroju, pripadne do dvou sitovek v jednom, kdyz zase smazu prislus= ny > MTB> lokalni routy.. > MTB> nemelo by jit taky otestovat samotne moduly na lince, pokud budu m= it > MTB> jednu plne funkcni stranu a na druhe strane dotahnu k rx 12V, k tx > MTB> prislusnou zem a propojim signaly? (zase pomoci pingu pres ten int= erface > MTB> na lokalni adresu) temito testy by se daly postupne vylucovat poru= chy > MTB> jednotlivych casti elektronik spoje ... >=20 > MTB> macros >=20 > MTB> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >=20 >>>On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:36:12PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Zd=E1rek. >>>> >>>>Jak otestovat Twistera v loopback modu pod Widlema na jednom PC? >>>>Mus=EDm tomu adapt=E9ru ve win nastavit dv=9A IP, =9Ee? A pak tam p=F8= ipoj=EDm Rx a Tx a >>>>potom co d=E1l? >>>>Kdy=9E budu pingovat jak=E9koliv IP, tak mi to dopingne i bez Twister= a. >>> >>> >>>Daji se otestovat 2 twistery pomoci 2 pociatu ale navod na to jeste ne= ni >>>napsanej. Rikal jsem uz polousovi a nevim komu kdo to byl ten druhej k= do to se >>>mnou resil at to napisou, ale zatim nic. Tak to asi budu muset udelat = ja, ale >>>to az se vyresi veci s vyssi prioritou. >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 >=20 > MTB> _______________________________________________ > MTB> Ronja mailing list > MTB> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > MTB> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 >=20 From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 20:12:18 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:12:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> Jan Hoidekr wrote: > > Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. Zkousel > jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak ping mezi > nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data nejdou a sit > si odpovida sama) grr, jisteze nefunguje. viz `ip r l t local` macros From karel.obadal at ido.cz Wed Jun 23 20:25:39 2004 From: karel.obadal at ido.cz (Karel Obadal) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:25:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> Message-ID: <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> sklanim se pred tebou linuxovy guru, ale zkus to tvoje 'ip r l t local' pelozit do normalniho jazyku K. Obadal Macros The Black wrote: > Jan Hoidekr wrote: > >> >> Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. >> Zkousel jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak >> ping mezi nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data >> nejdou a sit si odpovida sama) > > > grr, jisteze nefunguje. viz `ip r l t local` > > macros > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Karel Obadal MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. Skolni 1729/IV 755 01 Vsetin Tel: 571 414 245 GSM: 608 720 533 Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 20:27:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:27:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kuprexit Message-ID: <20040623192703.GA3830@beton.cybernet.src> [17:24] < polous> muze vadir, kdyz se udelaji prepazky u Rx z dvojityho kuprexitu ? Ne, vadit to nebude. Volitelne je mozne priletovat obe strany kuprexitu pro lepsi pocit. Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Jun 23 20:30:05 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:28:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <1894644355.20040623213005@volny.cz> Pokud tohle funguje (nemuzu to momentalne overit) tak je to naprosto skvelej navod a bylo by dobre ho dat treba na Wikinu :-) Je dobrej v tom, ze umoznuje bezbolestne pouziti Linuxu. Diky ti za nej OndraT JH> Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. Zkousel= =20 JH> jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak ping mezi=20 JH> nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data nejdou a si= t=20 JH> si odpovida sama) JH> Testuju v Knoppixu a myslim, ze to zvladne kazdy. JH> popisu postup pro kartu 3Com 59x(90x) JH> 1. Stahnete si ISO image Knoppixu a vypalte. JH> 2. Restart pocitace a boot z CD. Mrkne na vas prompt, staci potvrdit=20 JH> Enterem a pockejte nez nabehne graficke rozhrani KDE. JH> 3. mysi otevrte menu (tlacitko vlevo dole, nebo klavesnice Alt-F1)=20 JH> vyberte KNOPPIX - Root shell JH> 4. do prikazove radky zadejte "modprobe 3c59x options=3D0 full_duplex= =3D1"=00 JH> pro testovani TP nebo "modprobe 3c59x options=3D1 full_duplex=3D1" pro= AUI=00 JH> (jina sitova karta =3D jiny prikaz, nekdy lze tento krok vynechat, ale= =00 JH> pro jistotu je treba kartu nastavit) JH> 5. spuste prikaz "netcardconfig", v prvnich dvou dialogovych okynkach=20 JH> vyberte DHCP - NO, IP adresa napr. 10.10.10.10 a zbytek staci odklikat= =20 JH> az do konce. JH> 6. otervte pres menu druhy terminal KNOPPIX - Root shell a zadejte do=20 JH> nej prikaz tcpdump -i eth0 JH> 7. vratte se zpet do prvniho okna a dejte prikaz ping "10.10.10.11" JH> 9. v druhem okne uvidite vypis paketu, ktere jsou na sitovem zarizeni JH> 10. bez propojeni TX a RX na sitovce by se mely kazdou sekundu objevova= t=20 JH> radek s 2 dulezitymi informacemi: JH> a. cas presny na tisiciny napr 16:28:28.269 JH> b. informace o paketu, napr. "arp who-has 10.10.10.11 tell 10.10.10.10"= =20 JH> (nebo podobne) je to dotaz na MAC adresu s IP 10.10.10.11 JH> 11. pri propojeni TX a RX uvidite behem sekundy dva takoveto pakety s=20 JH> casovym posunem nekolika tisicin JH> poznamka: po startu tcpdump nekdy trva az minutu nez zacne neco=20 JH> vypisovat, tak je treba chvilku pockat JH> pokud jsem nekde udelal chybu opravte me. JH> Honza JH> PS: kdo dosud nevidel linux asi bude koukat, jak je to jednoduchy ;-) JH> Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> Ditaz znel na Windows. Nevim jestli to u nich jde a jak se to >> nastavuje. >>=20 >> Na testovani AUIcka to tak mam: jedna full duplexi karta, ma dve IP >> adresy a pinga se z jedny na druhou. Ale je to na Linuxu a neptejte se >> me jak je to udelany, protoze to nevim :-) >>=20 >> Jednodussi je vsechny Rx a Tx zkouset na jednom AUI nebo TP interface. >> Tebou popisovana metoda je samo pouzitelna, ale vnasi tam moc mist, >> kde lze udelat chybu. >>=20 >> OndraT >>=20 >> MTB> hmm, >> MTB> myslel jsem, ze jde, vezmu-li twistera, spojim signal rx & tx + >> MTB> smaznu z routovaci tabulky local prislusnou adresu, otestovat >> MTB> samotny modul, neni to stejne, jako kdyz dva twistery propojim, >> MTB> rx1<->tx2, tx1<->rx2, gnd1<->gnd2 a pripojim je bud do ruznejch >> MTB> stroju, pripadne do dvou sitovek v jednom, kdyz zase smazu prislusny >> MTB> lokalni routy.. >> MTB> nemelo by jit taky otestovat samotne moduly na lince, pokud budu mit >> MTB> jednu plne funkcni stranu a na druhe strane dotahnu k rx 12V, k tx >> MTB> prislusnou zem a propojim signaly=3F (zase pomoci pingu pres ten in= terface >> MTB> na lokalni adresu) temito testy by se daly postupne vylucovat poruc= hy >> MTB> jednotlivych casti elektronik spoje ... >>=20 >> MTB> macros >>=20 >> MTB> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >>=20 >>>>On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:36:12PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Zd=E1rek. >>>>> >>>>>Jak otestovat Twistera v loopback modu pod Widlema na jednom PC=3F >>>>>Mus=EDm tomu adapt=E9ru ve win nastavit dv=9A IP, =9Ee=3F A pak tam p= =F8ipoj=EDm Rx a Tx a >>>>>potom co d=E1l=3F >>>>>Kdy=9E budu pingovat jak=E9koliv IP, tak mi to dopingne i bez Twistera. >>>> >>>> >>>>Daji se otestovat 2 twistery pomoci 2 pociatu ale navod na to jeste neni >>>>napsanej. Rikal jsem uz polousovi a nevim komu kdo to byl ten druhej kd= o to se >>>>mnou resil at to napisou, ale zatim nic. Tak to asi budu muset udelat j= a, ale >>>>to az se vyresi veci s vyssi prioritou. >>>> >>>>Cl< >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>=20 >>=20 >> MTB> _______________________________________________ >> MTB> Ronja mailing list >> MTB> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> MTB> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>=20 >>=20 JH> _______________________________________________ JH> Ronja mailing list JH> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JH> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 20:29:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:29:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> Message-ID: <20040623192939.GB3830@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:12:18PM +0200, Macros The Black wrote: > Jan Hoidekr wrote: > > > >Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. Zkousel > >jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak ping mezi > >nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data nejdou a sit > >si odpovida sama) > > grr, jisteze nefunguje. viz `ip r l t local` clock@machine~$ ip sh: ip: command not found Muzes dat odkaz na stranky projektu, ktery obsahuje prikaz ip? Cl< From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 20:30:14 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:30:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> Message-ID: <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> ip r l t local = ip route list table local v systemu neni pouze jedina smerovaci tabulka, na kterou jste zvykli (tabulka main) pri vypisech route/ip r ale jeste dalsi: local, main, default A prave v tabulce local jsou definovany cesty k cilum primo na lokalnich sitovych rozhranich. macros Karel Obadal wrote: > sklanim se pred tebou linuxovy guru, ale zkus to tvoje 'ip r l t local' > pelozit do normalniho jazyku > > K. Obadal > > Macros The Black wrote: > >> Jan Hoidekr wrote: >> >>> >>> Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. >>> Zkousel jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak >>> ping mezi nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data >>> nejdou a sit si odpovida sama) >> >> >> >> grr, jisteze nefunguje. viz `ip r l t local` >> >> macros >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > From karel.obadal at ido.cz Wed Jun 23 20:36:52 2004 From: karel.obadal at ido.cz (Karel Obadal) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:36:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> Message-ID: <40D9DBD4.7080302@ido.cz> Tak to je velmi zajimave, ale pravdepodobne si nebudu vedet rady s tim jak to lokalni smerovani zakazat :-( K. Obadal Macros The Black wrote: > ip r l t local = ip route list table local > v systemu neni pouze jedina smerovaci tabulka, na kterou jste zvykli > (tabulka main) pri vypisech route/ip r ale jeste dalsi: > local, main, default > A prave v tabulce local jsou definovany cesty k cilum primo na lokalnich > sitovych rozhranich. > > macros > > Karel Obadal wrote: > >> sklanim se pred tebou linuxovy guru, ale zkus to tvoje 'ip r l t >> local' pelozit do normalniho jazyku >> >> K. Obadal >> >> Macros The Black wrote: >> >>> Jan Hoidekr wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. >>>> Zkousel jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak >>>> ping mezi nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu >>>> data nejdou a sit si odpovida sama) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> grr, jisteze nefunguje. viz `ip r l t local` >>> >>> macros >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Karel Obadal MOVSET Vsetin spol. s r.o. Skolni 1729/IV 755 01 Vsetin Tel: 571 414 245 GSM: 608 720 533 Tento mail byl vytvoren na operacnim systemu RedHat Linux a proto z principu nemuze obsahovat viry a cervy vyuzivajici bezpecnostni chyby operacnich systemu rodiny MS-Windows. From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 20:38:06 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:38:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <20040623192939.GB3830@beton.cybernet.src> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <20040623192939.GB3830@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40D9DC1E.4020907@fear.cz> prikaz ip je v baliku iproute2. primarni site je: ftp://ftp.inr.ac.ru/ip-routing/ macros Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:12:18PM +0200, Macros The Black wrote: > >>Jan Hoidekr wrote: >> >>>Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. Zkousel >>>jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak ping mezi >>>nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data nejdou a sit >>>si odpovida sama) >> >>grr, jisteze nefunguje. viz `ip r l t local` > > > clock@machine~$ ip > sh: ip: command not found > > Muzes dat odkaz na stranky projektu, ktery obsahuje prikaz ip? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Jun 23 20:53:27 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:53:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <1894644355.20040623213005@volny.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <1894644355.20040623213005@volny.cz> Message-ID: <40D9DFB7.1000401@hoidekr.net> V nedeli jsem takhle uz ponekolikate testoval, tentokrat znamemu RX a TX=20 pres muj TPint od highlandera. Snad jsem na nic nezapomnel. Pokud chce nekdo neco doplnit at tak udela. S WIKI si netykam, kdyztak to tam nekdo dejte, az to vyzkousite. Honza Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Pokud tohle funguje (nemuzu to momentalne overit) tak je to naprosto > skvelej navod a bylo by dobre ho dat treba na Wikinu :-) >=20 > Je dobrej v tom, ze umoznuje bezbolestne pouziti Linuxu. >=20 > Diky ti za nej > OndraT >=20 >=20 > JH> Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. Zko= usel=20 > JH> jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak ping me= zi=20 > JH> nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data nejdou = a sit=20 > JH> si odpovida sama) >=20 > JH> Testuju v Knoppixu a myslim, ze to zvladne kazdy. > JH> popisu postup pro kartu 3Com 59x(90x) >=20 > JH> 1. Stahnete si ISO image Knoppixu a vypalte. > JH> 2. Restart pocitace a boot z CD. Mrkne na vas prompt, staci potvrdi= t=20 > JH> Enterem a pockejte nez nabehne graficke rozhrani KDE. > JH> 3. mysi otevrte menu (tlacitko vlevo dole, nebo klavesnice Alt-F1)=20 > JH> vyberte KNOPPIX - Root shell > JH> 4. do prikazove radky zadejte "modprobe 3c59x options=3D0 full_dupl= ex=3D1"JH> pro testovani TP nebo "modprobe 3c59x options=3D1 full_duplex= =3D1" pro AUIJH> (jina sitova karta =3D jiny prikaz, nekdy lze tento kro= k vynechat, aleJH> pro jistotu je treba kartu nastavit) > JH> 5. spuste prikaz "netcardconfig", v prvnich dvou dialogovych okynka= ch=20 > JH> vyberte DHCP - NO, IP adresa napr. 10.10.10.10 a zbytek staci odkli= kat=20 > JH> az do konce. > JH> 6. otervte pres menu druhy terminal KNOPPIX - Root shell a zadejte = do=20 > JH> nej prikaz tcpdump -i eth0 > JH> 7. vratte se zpet do prvniho okna a dejte prikaz ping "10.10.10.11" > JH> 9. v druhem okne uvidite vypis paketu, ktere jsou na sitovem zarize= ni > JH> 10. bez propojeni TX a RX na sitovce by se mely kazdou sekundu obje= vovat=20 > JH> radek s 2 dulezitymi informacemi: > JH> a. cas presny na tisiciny napr 16:28:28.269 > JH> b. informace o paketu, napr. "arp who-has 10.10.10.11 tell 10.10.10= .10"=20 > JH> (nebo podobne) je to dotaz na MAC adresu s IP 10.10.10.11 > JH> 11. pri propojeni TX a RX uvidite behem sekundy dva takoveto pakety= s=20 > JH> casovym posunem nekolika tisicin >=20 > JH> poznamka: po startu tcpdump nekdy trva az minutu nez zacne neco=20 > JH> vypisovat, tak je treba chvilku pockat >=20 > JH> pokud jsem nekde udelal chybu opravte me. >=20 > JH> Honza >=20 > JH> PS: kdo dosud nevidel linux asi bude koukat, jak je to jednoduchy ;= -) >=20 > JH> Ondrej Tesar wrote: >=20 >>>Ditaz znel na Windows. Nevim jestli to u nich jde a jak se to >>>nastavuje. >>> >>>Na testovani AUIcka to tak mam: jedna full duplexi karta, ma dve IP >>>adresy a pinga se z jedny na druhou. Ale je to na Linuxu a neptejte se >>>me jak je to udelany, protoze to nevim :-) >>> >>>Jednodussi je vsechny Rx a Tx zkouset na jednom AUI nebo TP interface. >>>Tebou popisovana metoda je samo pouzitelna, ale vnasi tam moc mist, >>>kde lze udelat chybu. >>> >>>OndraT >>> >>>MTB> hmm, >>>MTB> myslel jsem, ze jde, vezmu-li twistera, spojim signal rx & tx + >>>MTB> smaznu z routovaci tabulky local prislusnou adresu, otestovat >>>MTB> samotny modul, neni to stejne, jako kdyz dva twistery propojim, >>>MTB> rx1<->tx2, tx1<->rx2, gnd1<->gnd2 a pripojim je bud do ruznejch >>>MTB> stroju, pripadne do dvou sitovek v jednom, kdyz zase smazu prislu= sny >>>MTB> lokalni routy.. >>>MTB> nemelo by jit taky otestovat samotne moduly na lince, pokud budu = mit >>>MTB> jednu plne funkcni stranu a na druhe strane dotahnu k rx 12V, k t= x >>>MTB> prislusnou zem a propojim signaly? (zase pomoci pingu pres ten in= terface >>>MTB> na lokalni adresu) temito testy by se daly postupne vylucovat por= uchy >>>MTB> jednotlivych casti elektronik spoje ... >>> >>>MTB> macros >>> >>>MTB> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:36:12PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Zd=E1rek. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jak otestovat Twistera v loopback modu pod Widlema na jednom PC? >>>>>>Mus=EDm tomu adapt=E9ru ve win nastavit dv=9A IP, =9Ee? A pak tam p= =F8ipoj=EDm Rx a Tx a >>>>>>potom co d=E1l? >>>>>>Kdy=9E budu pingovat jak=E9koliv IP, tak mi to dopingne i bez Twist= era. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Daji se otestovat 2 twistery pomoci 2 pociatu ale navod na to jeste = neni >>>>>napsanej. Rikal jsem uz polousovi a nevim komu kdo to byl ten druhej= kdo to se >>>>>mnou resil at to napisou, ale zatim nic. Tak to asi budu muset udela= t ja, ale >>>>>to az se vyresi veci s vyssi prioritou. >>>>> >>>>>Cl< >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>>MTB> _______________________________________________ >>>MTB> Ronja mailing list >>>MTB> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>MTB> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >=20 >=20 > JH> _______________________________________________ > JH> Ronja mailing list > JH> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JH> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 >=20 From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 23 20:55:15 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:55:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net><40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> Message-ID: <001101c4595c$03bdf320$0103450a@thechosen> nj IP mi pane nerikaj :( bohuzel, presmerovat natvrdo traffic na urcite ip pres urcitej if ven sem zkosuel klasicky a pohorel sem a na ip sem uz nemel silu a myslel si ze to nepujde :) hold asi se na to budu muset vrhnout nekdy, prece jen route a ifconfig dost upada. Glo > ip r l t local = ip route list table local > v systemu neni pouze jedina smerovaci tabulka, na kterou jste zvykli > (tabulka main) pri vypisech route/ip r ale jeste dalsi: > local, main, default > A prave v tabulce local jsou definovany cesty k cilum primo na lokalnich > sitovych rozhranich. > > macros > > Karel Obadal wrote: > > sklanim se pred tebou linuxovy guru, ale zkus to tvoje 'ip r l t local' > > pelozit do normalniho jazyku > > > > K. Obadal > > > > Macros The Black wrote: > > > >> Jan Hoidekr wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. > >>> Zkousel jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak > >>> ping mezi nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data > >>> nejdou a sit si odpovida sama) > >> > >> > >> > >> grr, jisteze nefunguje. viz `ip r l t local` > >> > >> macros > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Jun 23 20:56:22 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Wed Jun 23 20:56:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> Message-ID: <40D9E066.4090702@hoidekr.net> dik za vysvetleni. Po pokusech jsem si myslel, ze to bude neco takovyho. H Macros The Black wrote: > ip r l t local = ip route list table local > v systemu neni pouze jedina smerovaci tabulka, na kterou jste zvykli > (tabulka main) pri vypisech route/ip r ale jeste dalsi: > local, main, default > A prave v tabulce local jsou definovany cesty k cilum primo na lokalnich > sitovych rozhranich. > > macros > > Karel Obadal wrote: > >> sklanim se pred tebou linuxovy guru, ale zkus to tvoje 'ip r l t >> local' pelozit do normalniho jazyku >> >> K. Obadal >> >> Macros The Black wrote: >> >>> Jan Hoidekr wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. >>>> Zkousel jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak >>>> ping mezi nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu >>>> data nejdou a sit si odpovida sama) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> grr, jisteze nefunguje. viz `ip r l t local` >>> >>> macros >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From kero at matfyz.cz Wed Jun 23 21:02:28 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:04:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9DFB7.1000401@hoidekr.net> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <1894644355.20040623213005@volny.cz> <40D9DFB7.1000401@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <40D9E1D4.6080105@matfyz.cz> Uz jsem to tam vicemene dal, provizorium. TwibrightRonja > RonjaSetupHints > RonjaIPConfigHints http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaIPConfigHints Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero Jan Hoidekr napsal(a): > V nedeli jsem takhle uz ponekolikate testoval, tentokrat znamemu RX a TX > pres muj TPint od highlandera. > Snad jsem na nic nezapomnel. Pokud chce nekdo neco doplnit at tak udela. > S WIKI si netykam, kdyztak to tam nekdo dejte, az to vyzkousite. > > Honza > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 21:05:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:05:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nejake dotazy In-Reply-To: <20040623170412.GA8528@feanor> References: <20040623170412.GA8528@feanor> Message-ID: <20040623200521.GB3897@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 07:04:12PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Dobry den > > Dal jsem se do stavby ronji (twister) a mam nekolik dotazu: > > Stavim ronju na plosnaky, co se objednavali u Michala Knezourka pri hromadne > objednavce. Na tom plosnaku je rev. 20040408. Muzu bez problemu pouzivat ten > navod (pro modul twister), co je na strankach ronji, nebo bych mel nekde > sehnat navod k teto revizi (aby tam nebyly napriklad precislovane nejake > soucastky a pod)? Obecneji - da se stavet podle stranek ronji, aniz bych mel > obavy, ze se me navod bude podstatne menit pod rukama, nebo si mam radsi > udelat lokalni kopii celeho navodu? Da. Ale na webu se koukam a je tam revize 20040408, coz je stejna jako na Knezourkovejch tistacich - v cem je tedy problem? > > Planuji dat twister do krabicky U-AH 303 (127*86*46). Rozmery v navodu pro > krabicku jsou vsak vyrazne vetsi. Je pro to nejaky zavazny duvod (krom toho, > ze se me to tam bude tesnat), respektive myslite, ze s touto krabickou by mohl > byt nejaky problem (jiny, nez ze se to tam fyzicky nevejde)? Ne je to jen kvuli tomu aby se to tam bez problemu dalo dat. > Koaxialni kabely spojujici Rx, Tx a Twister maji mit nejakou konkretni > impedanci, nebo mohu v klidu pouzit jak 50 Ohm, tak 75 Ohm koaxy? Delaj se impedance 50, 75, 93. Pokud ji nejak muzete ovlivnit, kupte 75. Pokud ne, tak to ignorujte. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 21:08:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:08:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - testov In-Reply-To: <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040623200830.GC3897@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 08:20:59PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ditaz znel na Windows. Nevim jestli to u nich jde a jak se to > nastavuje. > > Na testovani AUIcka to tak mam: jedna full duplexi karta, ma dve IP > adresy a pinga se z jedny na druhou. Ale je to na Linuxu a neptejte se > me jak je to udelany, protoze to nevim :-) > > Jednodussi je vsechny Rx a Tx zkouset na jednom AUI nebo TP interface. > Tebou popisovana metoda je samo pouzitelna, ale vnasi tam moc mist, > kde lze udelat chybu. Ja jsem zkousel jbohacovo AUI tak ze jsem ho zapojil do svoji bezici linky a podival se na web. Ale to je metoda pouze pro pokrocile ctenare ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 21:10:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:10:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kondenzator In-Reply-To: <40D9D0CC.5050508@matfyz.cz> References: <40D9D0CC.5050508@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <20040623201011.GD3897@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 08:49:48PM +0200, Kero wrote: > Ahojky, > byl jsem v gme a nakoupil jsem si nejake soucastky. Jenomze po tom, co jsem > dorazil domu jsem zjistil, ze mi misto kondenzatoru 470uF/16V dali > 470uF/25V mam si jit pro nove(ja pro ne asi dojdu, ale co tahle zmena > ovlivni)? > Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero Ne to je v poradku, to je napeti co vydrzi. Kdyz vydrzi vic, tim lip. Ale bejva obcas mechanicky vetsi a hur se tam letuje, musi se dat treba nasikmo nebo tak. Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Jun 23 21:12:21 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:12:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <001101c4595c$03bdf320$0103450a@thechosen> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net><40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> <001101c4595c$03bdf320$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <40D9E425.5020702@sattnet.cz> Michal Malusek napsal(a): >nj IP mi pane nerikaj :( bohuzel, presmerovat natvrdo traffic na urcite ip >pres urcitej if ven sem zkosuel klasicky a pohorel sem a na ip sem uz nemel >silu a myslel si ze to nepujde :) hold asi se na to budu muset vrhnout >nekdy, prece jen route a ifconfig dost upada. > > To je teda blbost za 100 bodu, ifconfig a route ze upada? Napis alternativu, ktera je podle tebe pouzivanejsi. OMG >Glo > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 21:17:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:17:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <20040623201700.GE3897@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:08:56PM +0200, Jan Hoidekr wrote: > > Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. Zkousel > jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak ping mezi > nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data nejdou a sit > si odpovida sama) Nefunguje to na windows nebo na linuxu? > Testuju v Knoppixu a myslim, ze to zvladne kazdy. > popisu postup pro kartu 3Com 59x(90x) > > 1. Stahnete si ISO image Knoppixu a vypalte. > 2. Restart pocitace a boot z CD. Mrkne na vas prompt, staci potvrdit > Enterem a pockejte nez nabehne graficke rozhrani KDE. > 3. mysi otevrte menu (tlacitko vlevo dole, nebo klavesnice Alt-F1) > vyberte KNOPPIX - Root shell > 4. do prikazove radky zadejte "modprobe 3c59x options=0 full_duplex=1" > pro testovani TP nebo "modprobe 3c59x options=1 full_duplex=1" pro AUI > (jina sitova karta = jiny prikaz, nekdy lze tento krok vynechat, ale > pro jistotu je treba kartu nastavit) > 5. spuste prikaz "netcardconfig", v prvnich dvou dialogovych okynkach > vyberte DHCP - NO, IP adresa napr. 10.10.10.10 a zbytek staci odklikat > az do konce. > 6. otervte pres menu druhy terminal KNOPPIX - Root shell a zadejte do > nej prikaz tcpdump -i eth0 > 7. vratte se zpet do prvniho okna a dejte prikaz ping "10.10.10.11" > 9. v druhem okne uvidite vypis paketu, ktere jsou na sitovem zarizeni > 10. bez propojeni TX a RX na sitovce by se mely kazdou sekundu objevovat > radek s 2 dulezitymi informacemi: > a. cas presny na tisiciny napr 16:28:28.269 > b. informace o paketu, napr. "arp who-has 10.10.10.11 tell 10.10.10.10" > (nebo podobne) je to dotaz na MAC adresu s IP 10.10.10.11 > 11. pri propojeni TX a RX uvidite behem sekundy dva takoveto pakety s > casovym posunem nekolika tisicin Diky za postnuti na wikinu :) > PS: kdo dosud nevidel linux asi bude koukat, jak je to jednoduchy ;-) Jo hlavne to nijak neovlivni Windows tohle, zavirovani u Linuxu nehrozi, takze by to melo fungovat kazdemu. Cl< From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 21:18:32 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:18:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9E425.5020702@sattnet.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net><40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> <001101c4595c$03bdf320$0103450a@thechosen> <40D9E425.5020702@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <40D9E598.3050205@fear.cz> David Sedl??ek wrote: > Michal Malusek napsal(a): > >> nj IP mi pane nerikaj :( bohuzel, presmerovat natvrdo traffic na >> urcite ip >> pres urcitej if ven sem zkosuel klasicky a pohorel sem a na ip sem uz >> nemel >> silu a myslel si ze to nepujde :) hold asi se na to budu muset vrhnout >> nekdy, prece jen route a ifconfig dost upada. >> > To je teda blbost za 100 bodu, ifconfig a route ze upada? Napis > alternativu, ktera je podle tebe pouzivanejsi. OMG V pripade BSD to blbost je. V pripade linuxu ne. Pouze s pomoci ifconfig & route nelze _plne_ afaik ovladat sitovy subsystem. macros From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 21:20:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:20:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <1894644355.20040623213005@volny.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <1894644355.20040623213005@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040623202005.GG3897@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:30:05PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Pokud tohle funguje (nemuzu to momentalne overit) tak je to naprosto > skvelej navod a bylo by dobre ho dat treba na Wikinu :-) Jestli neco v nem nebude fungovat tak kdo na to prijde muze ten hybny krok v nem na te wikine opravit. CL< > > Je dobrej v tom, ze umoznuje bezbolestne pouziti Linuxu. > > Diky ti za nej > OndraT From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 21:21:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:21:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9DC1E.4020907@fear.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <20040623192939.GB3830@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9DC1E.4020907@fear.cz> Message-ID: <20040623202133.GH3897@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:38:06PM +0200, Macros The Black wrote: > prikaz ip je v baliku iproute2. primarni site je: > ftp://ftp.inr.ac.ru/ip-routing/ A k ty funkcionalite o ktery tu mluvis (lokalni routovaci tabulka?) je oproute2 potreba? ifconfig a route to neumi? Nebo je to jen pro zjednoduseni prace? Cl< > > macros > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:12:18PM +0200, Macros The Black wrote: > > > >>Jan Hoidekr wrote: > >> > >>>Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. Zkousel > >>>jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak ping mezi > >>>nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data nejdou a sit > >>>si odpovida sama) > >> > >>grr, jisteze nefunguje. viz `ip r l t local` From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Jun 23 21:27:42 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:27:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9E598.3050205@fear.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net><40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> <001101c4595c$03bdf320$0103450a@thechosen> <40D9E425.5020702@sattnet.cz> <40D9E598.3050205@fear.cz> Message-ID: <40D9E7BE.9090108@sattnet.cz> Macros The Black napsal(a): > David Sedl??ek wrote: > >> Michal Malusek napsal(a): >> >>> nj IP mi pane nerikaj :( bohuzel, presmerovat natvrdo traffic na >>> urcite ip >>> pres urcitej if ven sem zkosuel klasicky a pohorel sem a na ip sem >>> uz nemel >>> silu a myslel si ze to nepujde :) hold asi se na to budu muset vrhnout >>> nekdy, prece jen route a ifconfig dost upada. >>> >> >> To je teda blbost za 100 bodu, ifconfig a route ze upada? Napis >> alternativu, ktera je podle tebe pouzivanejsi. OMG > > > V pripade BSD to blbost je. V pripade linuxu ne. Pouze s pomoci > ifconfig & route nelze _plne_ afaik ovladat sitovy subsystem. > 1. rec byla celou dobu o Linuxu, viz nazev threadu. 2. o tom cim se cela sit ovladat da zde nebyla rec. > macros > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 21:29:11 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:29:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <20040623202133.GH3897@beton.cybernet.src> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <20040623192939.GB3830@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9DC1E.4020907@fear.cz> <20040623202133.GH3897@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40D9E817.8030200@fear.cz> No, namatkou realmy, protokoly, sstreshold, weight(vazeny per cached route balance), apod. (ted nevim jestli route vubec umi pracovat nad ruznyma smerovacima tabulkama, imho ne) a urcite to neni vsechno.. macros Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:38:06PM +0200, Macros The Black wrote: > >>prikaz ip je v baliku iproute2. primarni site je: >>ftp://ftp.inr.ac.ru/ip-routing/ > > > A k ty funkcionalite o ktery tu mluvis (lokalni routovaci tabulka?) > je oproute2 potreba? ifconfig a route to neumi? Nebo je to jen pro > zjednoduseni prace? > > Cl< > >>macros >> >>Karel Kulhavy wrote: >> >>>On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:12:18PM +0200, Macros The Black wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Jan Hoidekr wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. Zkousel >>>>>jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak ping mezi >>>>>nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data nejdou a sit >>>>>si odpovida sama) >>>> >>>>grr, jisteze nefunguje. viz `ip r l t local` > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 21:31:42 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:31:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9E7BE.9090108@sattnet.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net><40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> <001101c4595c$03bdf320$0103450a@thechosen> <40D9E425.5020702@sattnet.cz> <40D9E598.3050205@fear.cz> <40D9E7BE.9090108@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <40D9E8AE.8040301@fear.cz> David Sedl??ek wrote: > Macros The Black napsal(a): > >> David Sedl??ek wrote: >> >>> Michal Malusek napsal(a): >>> >>>> silu a myslel si ze to nepujde :) hold asi se na to budu muset vrhnout >>>> nekdy, prece jen route a ifconfig dost upada. >>> >>> To je teda blbost za 100 bodu, ifconfig a route ze upada? Napis >>> alternativu, ktera je podle tebe pouzivanejsi. OMG >> >> V pripade BSD to blbost je. V pripade linuxu ne. Pouze s pomoci >> ifconfig & route nelze _plne_ afaik ovladat sitovy subsystem. >> > 1. rec byla celou dobu o Linuxu, viz nazev threadu. Ano byla. V tom pripade je tvoje prohlaseni, ze je to blbost, nepravdive. (v pripade BSD by to bylo oduvodnitelne) > 2. o tom cim se cela sit ovladat da zde nebyla rec. V zasade byla, na to jsi ostatne reagoval. ifconfig & route upadaji v tom smyslu, ze neimplementuji ovladani dalsich featur sitoveho subsystemu linuxu. macros p.s.> jsme OT. From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Jun 23 21:35:17 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:35:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9E817.8030200@fear.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <20040623192939.GB3830@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9DC1E.4020907@fear.cz> <20040623202133.GH3897@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9E817.8030200@fear.cz> Message-ID: <40D9E985.80800@sattnet.cz> Tato diskuse ma "nulovou informacni hodnotu", je to OT. IProute2 pouzivam, asi si nepochopil co jsem psal a na co jsem zpocatku reagoval :-/.. Macros The Black napsal(a): > No, namatkou > > realmy, protokoly, sstreshold, weight(vazeny per cached route balance), > apod. (ted nevim jestli route vubec umi pracovat nad ruznyma smerovacima > tabulkama, imho ne) > > a urcite to neni vsechno.. > > macros > > From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Jun 23 21:35:25 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:35:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <20040623201700.GE3897@beton.cybernet.src> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <20040623201700.GE3897@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40D9E98D.9040906@hoidekr.net> Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:08:56PM +0200, Jan Hoidekr wrote: > >>Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. Zkousel >>jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak ping mezi >>nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data nejdou a sit >>si odpovida sama) > > > Nefunguje to na windows nebo na linuxu? ve windows urcite ne. linux si uz moc nepamatuju, ale asi taky ne. Vlastne jsem sitovani v linuxu timhle ucil. > > Jo hlavne to nijak neovlivni Windows tohle, zavirovani u Linuxu nehrozi, > takze by to melo fungovat kazdemu. Neovlivni to vubec jakykoliv nainstalovany system v danem pocitaci (rusit a obnovovat sitovy nastaveni v linuxu taky nejaky cas vezme) a dokonce to ani nemusi byt komplet pocitac s diskem, vse bootuje z CD. H > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 23 21:40:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:40:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9E98D.9040906@hoidekr.net> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <20040623201700.GE3897@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9E98D.9040906@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <20040623204036.GF4541@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 10:35:25PM +0200, Jan Hoidekr wrote: > > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:08:56PM +0200, Jan Hoidekr wrote: > > > >>Testovani Ronji na jedny sitovce delam jedinym moznym zpusobem. Zkousel > >>jsem navod, jak nastavit 2 IP adresy na jednu sitovku a pak ping mezi > >>nima - NEFUNGUJE (tedy funguje vzdy, protoze do kabelu data nejdou a sit > >>si odpovida sama) > > > > > >Nefunguje to na windows nebo na linuxu? > ve windows urcite ne. linux si uz moc nepamatuju, ale asi taky ne. > Vlastne jsem sitovani v linuxu timhle ucil. Jestli jsem to dobre pochopil tak rikas ze postup v mym navodu co pouziva ifconfig arp route nefunguje - potreboval bych abys rek kde to nechodi nebo tak. Me to chodi. Jestli je ten muj postup blbe, rad bych, aby se to odladilo. Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Jun 23 21:40:52 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:40:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9E8AE.8040301@fear.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net><40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> <001101c4595c$03bdf320$0103450a@thechosen> <40D9E425.5020702@sattnet.cz> <40D9E598.3050205@fear.cz> <40D9E7BE.9090108@sattnet.cz> <40D9E8AE.8040301@fear.cz> Message-ID: <40D9EAD4.2070806@sattnet.cz> Macros The Black napsal(a): > David Sedl??ek wrote: > >> Macros The Black napsal(a): >> >>> David Sedl??ek wrote: >>> >>>> Michal Malusek napsal(a): >>>> >>>>> silu a myslel si ze to nepujde :) hold asi se na to budu muset >>>>> vrhnout >>>>> nekdy, prece jen route a ifconfig dost upada. >>>> >>>> >>>> To je teda blbost za 100 bodu, ifconfig a route ze upada? Napis >>>> alternativu, ktera je podle tebe pouzivanejsi. OMG >>> >>> >>> V pripade BSD to blbost je. V pripade linuxu ne. Pouze s pomoci >>> ifconfig & route nelze _plne_ afaik ovladat sitovy subsystem. >>> >> 1. rec byla celou dobu o Linuxu, viz nazev threadu. > > > Ano byla. V tom pripade je tvoje prohlaseni, ze je to blbost, > nepravdive. (v pripade BSD by to bylo oduvodnitelne) > Jak se to vezme, viz bod 2. >> 2. o tom cim se cela sit ovladat da zde nebyla rec. > > > V zasade byla, na to jsi ostatne reagoval. ifconfig & route upadaji > v tom smyslu, ze neimplementuji ovladani dalsich featur sitoveho > subsystemu linuxu. Ja to pochopil tak, ze jsou mene pouzivany. Ty jsi to vzal takto. A prakticky mozne, vyuzitelne featury jsou zde v teto chvili take OT ;-). > macros > > p.s.> jsme OT. jsme ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 21:42:22 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:42:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9E985.80800@sattnet.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <20040623192939.GB3830@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9DC1E.4020907@fear.cz> <20040623202133.GH3897@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9E817.8030200@fear.cz> <40D9E985.80800@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <40D9EB2E.7000603@fear.cz> "To je teda blbost za 100 bodu, ifconfig a route ze upada? Napis alternativu, ktera je podle tebe pouzivanejsi. OMG" vyjadroval ses k 1) linuxu 2) aktualnosti ifconfig a route pravda je (to co jsem jiz psal): ifconfig a route neimplementuji nove featury sitovani pod linuxem => ifconfig a route z toho pohledu upadaji. ale koncime (OT), jestli to chces dal resit, tak uz jen soukrome. macros David Sedl??ek wrote: > Tato diskuse ma "nulovou informacni hodnotu", je to OT. IProute2 > pouzivam, asi si nepochopil co jsem psal a na co jsem zpocatku reagoval > :-/.. > > Macros The Black napsal(a): > >> No, namatkou >> >> realmy, protokoly, sstreshold, weight(vazeny per cached route balance), >> apod. (ted nevim jestli route vubec umi pracovat nad ruznyma smerovacima >> tabulkama, imho ne) >> >> a urcite to neni vsechno.. >> >> macros >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 23 21:43:59 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 23 21:44:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <40D9EAD4.2070806@sattnet.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net><40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> <001101c4595c$03bdf320$0103450a@thechosen> <40D9E425.5020702@sattnet.cz> <40D9E598.3050205@fear.cz> <40D9E7BE.9090108@sattnet.cz> <40D9E8AE.8040301@fear.cz> <40D9EAD4.2070806@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <40D9EB8F.5010701@fear.cz> David Sedl??ek wrote: > Macros The Black napsal(a): > >> David Sedl??ek wrote: >> >>> Macros The Black napsal(a): >>> >>>> David Sedl??ek wrote: >>>> >>>>> Michal Malusek napsal(a): >>>>> >>>>>> silu a myslel si ze to nepujde :) hold asi se na to budu muset >>>>>> vrhnout >>>>>> nekdy, prece jen route a ifconfig dost upada. >>>>> >>>>> To je teda blbost za 100 bodu, ifconfig a route ze upada? Napis >>>>> alternativu, ktera je podle tebe pouzivanejsi. OMG >>>> >>>> V pripade BSD to blbost je. V pripade linuxu ne. Pouze s pomoci >>>> ifconfig & route nelze _plne_ afaik ovladat sitovy subsystem. >>>> >>> 1. rec byla celou dobu o Linuxu, viz nazev threadu. >> >> Ano byla. V tom pripade je tvoje prohlaseni, ze je to blbost, >> nepravdive. (v pripade BSD by to bylo oduvodnitelne) >> > Jak se to vezme, viz bod 2. > >>> 2. o tom cim se cela sit ovladat da zde nebyla rec. >> >> V zasade byla, na to jsi ostatne reagoval. ifconfig & route upadaji >> v tom smyslu, ze neimplementuji ovladani dalsich featur sitoveho >> subsystemu linuxu. > > Ja to pochopil tak, ze jsou mene pouzivany. Ty jsi to vzal takto. A > prakticky mozne, vyuzitelne featury jsou zde v teto chvili take OT ;-). aha, ok ok :-) koncime! ;-) macros From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Jun 23 22:10:48 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Wed Jun 23 22:11:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <20040623204036.GF4541@beton.cybernet.src> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net> <20040623201700.GE3897@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9E98D.9040906@hoidekr.net> <20040623204036.GF4541@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40D9F1D8.6050900@hoidekr.net> > > Jestli jsem to dobre pochopil tak rikas ze postup v mym navodu co pouziva > ifconfig arp route nefunguje - potreboval bych abys rek kde to nechodi nebo > tak. Me to chodi. Jestli je ten muj postup blbe, rad bych, aby se to odladilo. > > Cl< Vyzkousim tvuj postup a dam vedet. Bude to za delsi cas, muzu testovat jen doma o vikendu a ted tam delsi dobu nebudu :-( Od doby, co pouzivam tohle obycejny nastaveni sitovky a posloucham arp dotazy, jsem jinak netestoval. Vlastne jsem zacinal jako laik, o fungovani siti jsem nevedel skoro nic a pro testovani Ronji jsem mel nastavovat route, arp ... Pak jsem dal dohromady tenhle jednoduchy postup a ono to funguje. "netcardconfig" je jenom GUI pro ifconfig a route (spusti tyhle prikazy po skonceni dialogu o nastaveni). Potom jenom ping a na druhy konsoli tcpdump. Knoppix je dobry, protoze ma v sobe tcpdump, ktery se v nekterych distrech automaticky neinstaluje, po bootu neni zadny nastaveni site a ,jak uz jsme resili, neovlivni soucasny SW. H > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From mixaj at mymail.cz Wed Jun 23 22:24:14 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Wed Jun 23 22:24:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net><40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> <001101c4595c$03bdf320$0103450a@thechosen> <40D9E425.5020702@sattnet.cz> <40D9E598.3050205@fear.cz> <40D9E7BE.9090108@sattnet.cz> <40D9E8AE.8040301@fear.cz><40D9EAD4.2070806@sattnet.cz> <40D9EB8F.5010701@fear.cz> Message-ID: <008f01c45968$700e6940$fe29a8c0@diablo> SUPR.. A navod na Widle by nebyl ;-) I am almost Windowz user only..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Macros The Black" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu > David Sedl??ek wrote: > > Macros The Black napsal(a): > > > >> David Sedl??ek wrote: > >> > >>> Macros The Black napsal(a): > >>> > >>>> David Sedl??ek wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Michal Malusek napsal(a): > >>>>> > >>>>>> silu a myslel si ze to nepujde :) hold asi se na to budu muset > >>>>>> vrhnout > >>>>>> nekdy, prece jen route a ifconfig dost upada. > >>>>> > >>>>> To je teda blbost za 100 bodu, ifconfig a route ze upada? Napis > >>>>> alternativu, ktera je podle tebe pouzivanejsi. OMG > >>>> > >>>> V pripade BSD to blbost je. V pripade linuxu ne. Pouze s pomoci > >>>> ifconfig & route nelze _plne_ afaik ovladat sitovy subsystem. > >>>> > >>> 1. rec byla celou dobu o Linuxu, viz nazev threadu. > >> > >> Ano byla. V tom pripade je tvoje prohlaseni, ze je to blbost, > >> nepravdive. (v pripade BSD by to bylo oduvodnitelne) > >> > > Jak se to vezme, viz bod 2. > > > >>> 2. o tom cim se cela sit ovladat da zde nebyla rec. > >> > >> V zasade byla, na to jsi ostatne reagoval. ifconfig & route upadaji > >> v tom smyslu, ze neimplementuji ovladani dalsich featur sitoveho > >> subsystemu linuxu. > > > > Ja to pochopil tak, ze jsou mene pouzivany. Ty jsi to vzal takto. A > > prakticky mozne, vyuzitelne featury jsou zde v teto chvili take OT ;-). > > aha, ok ok :-) koncime! ;-) > > macros > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kero at matfyz.cz Wed Jun 23 22:26:51 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Wed Jun 23 22:28:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister - =?ISO-8859-2?Q?testov=E1n=ED_v_loopbac?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?k_modu_pod_Windows=2E?= In-Reply-To: <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <40D9F59B.2070900@matfyz.cz> Nefungovalo by neco jako route ADD 11.22.33.44 blabla, netusim jak to je na widlich, proste nastavit, aby pakety pro 11.22.33.44 odchazely pres nejakou kartu na ktere a pak spustit commview (http://www.tamos.com/products/commview/), neni free, ale 30 dni by mohlo stacit. A nakonec pingovat na 11.22.33.44? Ten commview by mohl nahradit tcpdump, alespon myslim (je docela dobrej). Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero. PS:pokud tady sirim bludy, tak me zastavte, pokud ne, tak opravte Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a): > Zd?rek. > > Jak otestovat Twistera v loopback modu pod Widlema na jednom PC? > Mus?m tomu adapt?ru ve win nastavit dv? IP, ?e? A pak tam p?ipoj?m Rx a Tx a > potom co d?l? > Kdy? budu pingovat jak?koliv IP, tak mi to dopingne i bez Twistera. > From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Jun 23 22:39:03 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Wed Jun 23 22:39:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu In-Reply-To: <008f01c45968$700e6940$fe29a8c0@diablo> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <013001c45925$acb8f100$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002701c45940$85a1a9c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040623165725.GB3588@beton.cybernet.src> <40D9B826.40502@fear.cz> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9D548.2040905@hoidekr.net><40D9D612.5050309@fear.cz> <40D9D933.2020401@ido.cz> <40D9DA46.8020502@fear.cz> <001101c4595c$03bdf320$0103450a@thechosen> <40D9E425.5020702@sattnet.cz> <40D9E598.3050205@fear.cz> <40D9E7BE.9090108@sattnet.cz> <40D9E8AE.8040301@fear.cz><40D9EAD4.2070806@sattnet.cz> <40D9EB8F.5010701@fear.cz> <008f01c45968$700e6940$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <40D9F877.5090004@hoidekr.net> zkus linux, nekouse ;-) Ve windows by to mohlo jit podobne. Nastavit sit, ping na na adresu ve stejny podisti a poslouchat snifferem pakety. Krome arp dotazu uslysis i obcasny broadcasty SMB. Nezkousel jsem. Ted koukam, ze stejnej napad ma i Kero. H Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > SUPR.. > A navod na Widle by nebyl ;-) > > I am almost Windowz user only..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Macros The Black" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu > > > >>David Sedl??ek wrote: >> >>>Macros The Black napsal(a): >>> >>> >>>>David Sedl??ek wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Macros The Black napsal(a): >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>David Sedl??ek wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Michal Malusek napsal(a): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>silu a myslel si ze to nepujde :) hold asi se na to budu muset >>>>>>>>vrhnout >>>>>>>>nekdy, prece jen route a ifconfig dost upada. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>To je teda blbost za 100 bodu, ifconfig a route ze upada? Napis >>>>>>>alternativu, ktera je podle tebe pouzivanejsi. OMG >>>>>> >>>>>>V pripade BSD to blbost je. V pripade linuxu ne. Pouze s pomoci >>>>>>ifconfig & route nelze _plne_ afaik ovladat sitovy subsystem. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>1. rec byla celou dobu o Linuxu, viz nazev threadu. >>>> >>>>Ano byla. V tom pripade je tvoje prohlaseni, ze je to blbost, >>>>nepravdive. (v pripade BSD by to bylo oduvodnitelne) >>>> >>> >>>Jak se to vezme, viz bod 2. >>> >>> >>>>>2. o tom cim se cela sit ovladat da zde nebyla rec. >>>> >>>>V zasade byla, na to jsi ostatne reagoval. ifconfig & route upadaji >>>>v tom smyslu, ze neimplementuji ovladani dalsich featur sitoveho >>>>subsystemu linuxu. >>> >>>Ja to pochopil tak, ze jsou mene pouzivany. Ty jsi to vzal takto. A >>>prakticky mozne, vyuzitelne featury jsou zde v teto chvili take OT ;-). >> >>aha, ok ok :-) koncime! ;-) >> >>macros >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From dzini at naex.sk Wed Jun 23 23:28:49 2004 From: dzini at naex.sk (Miroslav Madzin) Date: Wed Jun 23 23:29:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal Message-ID: <002601c45971$8baf1420$bfba50c3@Mirko> caute, v GM som si kupil 16MHz krystal, ale ma len 2 nozicky a na fotke som si vsimol, ze tam je krystal, ktory ma 4 nozicky. da sa to najak prerobyt alebo musim kupit novy? aky je jeho plny nazov. a chcem sa este spytat, ze kde sa na strankach ronji nachadza zozna, ze ktora suciastka ma ake oznacenie v scheme okrem celkovej schemy ronji, kde je napisane, ze tam je iba per uplnost a nebude ju treba. vdaka s pozdravom Mirko ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040624/803d6479/attachment.htm From mixaj at mymail.cz Wed Jun 23 23:51:01 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Wed Jun 23 23:51:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal References: <002601c45971$8baf1420$bfba50c3@Mirko> Message-ID: <002801c45974$9054c710$fe29a8c0@diablo> Nesmis koupit krystal, ale oscilator.... To bohuzel neni v seznamu soucastek uvedeno ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Miroslav Madzin To: Ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:28 AM Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal caute, v GM som si kupil 16MHz krystal, ale ma len 2 nozicky a na fotke som si vsimol, ze tam je krystal, ktory ma 4 nozicky. da sa to najak prerobyt alebo musim kupit novy? aky je jeho plny nazov. a chcem sa este spytat, ze kde sa na strankach ronji nachadza zozna, ze ktora suciastka ma ake oznacenie v scheme okrem celkovej schemy ronji, kde je napisane, ze tam je iba per uplnost a nebude ju treba. vdaka s pozdravom Mirko ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040624/c12bb1b2/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 00:12:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 00:12:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal In-Reply-To: <002601c45971$8baf1420$bfba50c3@Mirko> References: <002601c45971$8baf1420$bfba50c3@Mirko> Message-ID: <20040623231226.GA4939@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 12:28:49AM +0200, Miroslav Madzin wrote: > caute, > v GM som si kupil 16MHz krystal, ale ma len 2 nozicky a na fotke som si > vsimol, ze tam je krystal, ktory ma 4 nozicky. da sa to najak prerobyt alebo > musim kupit novy? aky je jeho plny nazov. a chcem sa este spytat, ze kde sa V seznamu je krystalovy oscilator, ty jsi koupil krystal. Ma to byt se 4 nozickama. > na strankach ronji nachadza zozna, ze ktora suciastka ma ake oznacenie v > scheme okrem celkovej schemy ronji, kde je napisane, ze tam je iba per > uplnost a nebude ju treba. Tenhle dotaz nejak nechapu :( Cl< From steebe at seznam.cz Thu Jun 24 00:20:37 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Thu Jun 24 00:20:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal References: <002601c45971$8baf1420$bfba50c3@Mirko> Message-ID: <005401c45978$b59d0290$0581000a@steebe> take sem se divil kdyz mi v balicku prisel kristal misto oscilatoru - ale clock to uz v seznamu prepsal na krystaly a oscilatory (puvodne tam bylo Krystaly takze se ten muj shop kterej to objednava stejne z GME seknul ) takze staci jen koukat :) ja sem si toho vsimnul taky z fotky a primo po SILCu sem se poradil Online s Clockem co je spatne . malem sem si myslel ze mam nejlevnejsi krystalovy oscilator za 12 Kc .. :-D a v Prague ho maj za 90 :-D Ted mne spis stve ze prijimaci diody na RXko nejsou k sehani v GME :-( .. teda nebyly .. takze mam nejakou kourovou doufam ze pujde je to typ : BPV10NF - FOTODIODA PIN 5MM KOUR je v v katalogu pod cislem 520044 ( v ekvivalentech je : BPV10 (trochu hor??) tak nefim ... snad to je ona .. ) Nevi nekdo o RXkovych diodach ? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Miroslav Madzin To: Ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:28 AM Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal caute, v GM som si kupil 16MHz krystal, ale ma len 2 nozicky a na fotke som si vsimol, ze tam je krystal, ktory ma 4 nozicky. da sa to najak prerobyt alebo musim kupit novy? aky je jeho plny nazov. a chcem sa este spytat, ze kde sa na strankach ronji nachadza zozna, ze ktora suciastka ma ake oznacenie v scheme okrem celkovej schemy ronji, kde je napisane, ze tam je iba per uplnost a nebude ju treba. vdaka s pozdravom Mirko ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040624/712964c7/attachment-0001.htm From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 07:21:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 07:21:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal In-Reply-To: <005401c45978$b59d0290$0581000a@steebe> References: <002601c45971$8baf1420$bfba50c3@Mirko> <005401c45978$b59d0290$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040624062117.GA673@beton.cybernet.src> > Ted mne spis stve ze prijimaci diody na RXko nejsou k sehani v GME :-( .. > teda nebyly .. takze mam nejakou kourovou doufam ze pujde je to typ : > BPV10NF - FOTODIODA PIN 5MM KOUR je v v katalogu pod cislem 520044 ( v To je kourova ze uplne vubecn neni videt vnitrek a nebo je jen castecne sediva? Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Jun 24 07:32:52 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Jun 24 07:31:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal In-Reply-To: <005401c45978$b59d0290$0581000a@steebe> References: <002601c45971$8baf1420$bfba50c3@Mirko> <005401c45978$b59d0290$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <231063041.20040624083252@volny.cz> Prijimaci diodu musite chtit SHF2030 tu vzdy kupuji v GM, beha dobre a jeste se mi nestalo ze by ji nemeli. Tohle oznaceni vzniklo IMHO nekde jejich preklepem pri zadavani do databaze. Pokud od nich budete chtit SHF203 tak vam reknou, ze ji nemaji a nikdy nemeli. BPW... taky nemaj. OndraT S> take sem se divil kdyz mi v balicku prisel kristal misto oscilatoru - ale clock to uz v seznamu prepsal na krystaly a oscilatory (puvodne tam bylo Krystaly takze se ten muj shop kterej to S> objednava stejne z GME seknul ) takze staci jen koukat :) S> ja sem si toho vsimnul taky z fotky a primo po SILCu sem se poradil Online s Clockem co je spatne . S> malem sem si myslel ze mam nejlevnejsi krystalovy oscilator za 12 Kc .. :-D a v Prague ho maj za 90 :-D S> Ted mne spis stve ze prijimaci diody na RXko nejsou k sehani v GME :-( .. teda nebyly .. takze mam nejakou kourovou doufam ze pujde je to typ : BPV10NF - FOTODIODA PIN 5MM KOUR je v v S> katalogu pod cislem 520044 ( v ekvivalentech je : BPV10 (trochu hor??) tak nefim ... snad to je ona .. ) S> Nevi nekdo o RXkovych diodach ? :-) S> ----- Original Message ----- S> From: Miroslav Madzin S> To: Ronja@lists.pointless.net S> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:28 AM S> Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal S> caute, S> v GM som si kupil 16MHz krystal, ale ma len 2 nozicky a na fotke som si vsimol, ze tam je krystal, ktory ma 4 nozicky. da sa to najak prerobyt alebo musim kupit novy? aky je jeho plny nazov. a S> chcem sa este spytat, ze kde sa na strankach ronji nachadza zozna, ze ktora suciastka ma ake oznacenie v scheme okrem celkovej schemy ronji, kde je napisane, ze tam je iba per uplnost a nebude ju S> treba. S> vdaka S> s pozdravom Mirko S> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ S> _______________________________________________ S> Ronja mailing list S> Ronja@lists.pointless.net S> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 07:32:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 07:32:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Coils Message-ID: <20040624063246.GA750@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Users have reported problems with factory-made 1uH burning when short-circuit occured in RX, TX or signal cabling. I have replaced this coil back to hand-made one. Replacement was done in receiver, twister, transmitter, aui forte. 1uH is equivalent now with notice about current rating. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 07:36:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 07:36:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal In-Reply-To: <231063041.20040624083252@volny.cz> References: <002601c45971$8baf1420$bfba50c3@Mirko> <005401c45978$b59d0290$0581000a@steebe> <231063041.20040624083252@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040624063630.GB750@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:32:52AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Prijimaci diodu musite chtit SHF2030 > tu vzdy kupuji v GM, beha dobre a jeste se mi nestalo ze by ji nemeli. > Tohle oznaceni vzniklo IMHO nekde jejich preklepem pri zadavani do > databaze. Existuje nejaky prodejce v UK uz nevim jak se jmenuje ktery to prodava taky pod oznacenim SFH2030. Jinak SFH2030 je napsany v ekvivalentech: "Equivalents (most preferred come first) BPW43 SFH203, SFH2030 (for SFH203 and 2030, not the P and F suffixes!), BPV10 (slightly worse), OP905 (3mm package, requires drilling smaller hole, degraded performace may occur depending on lens quality), Hamamatsu S6436 (expect degraded performance)" Cl< > Pokud od nich budete chtit SHF203 tak vam reknou, ze ji nemaji a nikdy > nemeli. BPW... taky nemaj. > > OndraT > > S> take sem se divil kdyz mi v balicku prisel kristal misto oscilatoru - ale clock to uz v seznamu prepsal na krystaly a oscilatory (puvodne tam bylo Krystaly takze se ten muj shop kterej to > S> objednava stejne z GME seknul ) takze staci jen koukat :) > S> ja sem si toho vsimnul taky z fotky a primo po SILCu sem se poradil Online s Clockem co je spatne . > S> malem sem si myslel ze mam nejlevnejsi krystalovy oscilator za 12 Kc .. :-D a v Prague ho maj za 90 :-D > > S> Ted mne spis stve ze prijimaci diody na RXko nejsou k sehani v GME :-( .. teda nebyly .. takze mam nejakou kourovou doufam ze pujde je to typ : BPV10NF - FOTODIODA PIN 5MM KOUR je v v > S> katalogu pod cislem 520044 ( v ekvivalentech je : BPV10 (trochu hor??) tak nefim ... snad to je ona .. ) > S> Nevi nekdo o RXkovych diodach ? :-) > S> ----- Original Message ----- > S> From: Miroslav Madzin > S> To: Ronja@lists.pointless.net > S> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:28 AM > S> Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal > > > S> caute, > S> v GM som si kupil 16MHz krystal, ale ma len 2 nozicky a na fotke som si vsimol, ze tam je krystal, ktory ma 4 nozicky. da sa to najak prerobyt alebo musim kupit novy? aky je jeho plny nazov. a > S> chcem sa este spytat, ze kde sa na strankach ronji nachadza zozna, ze ktora suciastka ma ake oznacenie v scheme okrem celkovej schemy ronji, kde je napisane, ze tam je iba per uplnost a nebude ju > S> treba. > S> vdaka > S> s pozdravom Mirko > > > S> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > S> _______________________________________________ > S> Ronja mailing list > S> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > S> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From steebe at seznam.cz Thu Jun 24 07:39:28 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?kkk=20kkk?=) Date: Thu Jun 24 07:39:32 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=2016Mhz=20krystal?= In-Reply-To: <20040624062117.GA673@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <262546.4991617-25624-1108459368-1088059168@email.seznam.cz> Yo nevidim skrz ani proti svetlu :-) takze je asi na ... Mno dali mi to v GME jako nahradu ze seznamu tech soucastek ktery se na tu diodu hodili :) ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhavy" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal Datum (Date): 24. 6. 2004 8:21 ================================================== > > Ted mne spis stve ze prijimaci diody na RXko nejsou k sehani v GME :-( .. > > teda nebyly .. takze mam nejakou kourovou doufam ze pujde je to typ : > > BPV10NF - FOTODIODA PIN 5MM KOUR je v v katalogu pod cislem 520044 ( v > > To je kourova ze uplne vubecn neni videt vnitrek a nebo je jen castecne sediva? > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 From steebe at seznam.cz Thu Jun 24 07:39:40 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?kkk=20kkk?=) Date: Thu Jun 24 07:39:42 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=2016Mhz=20krystal?= Message-ID: <255508.5001195-25686-450233944-1088059180@email.seznam.cz> Yo nevidim skrz ani proti svetlu :-) takze je asi na ... Mno dali mi to v GME jako nahradu ze seznamu tech soucastek ktery se na tu diodu hodili :) ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhavy" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal Datum (Date): 24. 6. 2004 8:21 ================================================== > > Ted mne spis stve ze prijimaci diody na RXko nejsou k sehani v GME :-( .. > > teda nebyly .. takze mam nejakou kourovou doufam ze pujde je to typ : > > BPV10NF - FOTODIODA PIN 5MM KOUR je v v katalogu pod cislem 520044 ( v > > To je kourova ze uplne vubecn neni videt vnitrek a nebo je jen castecne sediva? > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ Kone?n? t? vid?m barevn?. SAMSUNG X450 ji? od 2577 K?. www.oskar.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74859 From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 07:43:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 07:43:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 14, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: <1087825296.40d6e59055726@webmail.onda.com.br> References: <20040621110010.5742A19D22@buzius.onda.com.br> <1087825296.40d6e59055726@webmail.onda.com.br> Message-ID: <20040624064319.GA798@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 10:41:36AM -0300, Project I.T. & Network wrote: > Hi! > I'm Alan from Brazil. > Congratulations for the ronja's project... > I will try to made one but the components list is ok?!? > http://ronja.twibright.com/receiver/material.php AND > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/tetrapolis2.components ETC... > Maybe need a little correction. > EXAMPLE: > Resistors, ordinary (250mW), preferrably metallic: > ------------------------------------------------------------ > 2x 2.2M (M is ok)............................................. 1.60 (0.80) > 1x 100k ............................................. 0.80 (0.80) > 1x 180k ............................................. 0.80 (0.80) > 2x 560 .............................................. 1.60 (0.80) > 5x 1k ............................................... 4.00 (0.80) > 2x 82k .............................................. 1.60 (0.80) > 2x 270 .............................................. 1.60 (0.80) > 1x 75? .....(BUT WHAT IS THIS k, M, ......................................... > 0.80 (0.80) 75 ohm. > 1x 12 ............................................... 0.80 (0.80) > 2x 18 ............................................... 1.60 (0.80) > 1x 22 ............................................... 0.80 (0.80) > AND ABOUT > Integrated Circuits: > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ITS POSSIBLE TO CHANGE HC BY LS IC? No. > 4x 74HC00 .......................................... 24.00 (6.00) > 8x 74HC04 .......................................... 56.00 (7.00) > 2x 74HC32 .......................................... 14.00 (7.00) > 2x 74HCT14 ......................................... 16.00 (8.00) > 2x 74HC93 .......................................... 35.60 (17.80) > 4x 74HC133 ......................................... 28.00 (7.00) > 10x 74HC164 ........................................ 131.00 (13.10) > 4x 74HC4040 ........................................ 51.20 (12.80) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 07:45:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 07:45:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal In-Reply-To: <255508.5001195-25686-450233944-1088059180@email.seznam.cz> References: <255508.5001195-25686-450233944-1088059180@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040624064534.GA834@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:39:40AM +0200, kkk kkk wrote: > > Yo nevidim skrz ani proti svetlu :-) takze je asi na ... > Mno dali mi to v GME jako nahradu ze seznamu tech soucastek ktery se na tu > diodu hodili :) Tak to je citliva jen na infra, na viditelnou oblast neni. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 07:46:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 07:46:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal In-Reply-To: <262546.4991617-25624-1108459368-1088059168@email.seznam.cz> References: <20040624062117.GA673@beton.cybernet.src> <262546.4991617-25624-1108459368-1088059168@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040624064627.GB834@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:39:28AM +0200, kkk kkk wrote: > > Yo nevidim skrz ani proti svetlu :-) takze je asi na ... > Mno dali mi to v GME jako nahradu ze seznamu tech soucastek ktery se na tu > diodu hodili :) A jak se jmenuje presne typove? Rad bych ji v tom seznamu odlisil od BPV10 obycejne. Cl< From steebe at seznam.cz Thu Jun 24 07:49:32 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?kkk=20kkk?=) Date: Thu Jun 24 07:49:39 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20Re=5B2=5D=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=2016Mhz=20krystal?= In-Reply-To: <231063041.20040624083252@volny.cz> Message-ID: <279305.4946275-4075-2033379850-1088059772@email.seznam.cz> MAM :) objednal sem i neco malo na infra .. budu delat pokusy . ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Ondrej Tesar" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re[2]: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal Datum (Date): 24. 6. 2004 8:32 ================================================== > Prijimaci diodu musite chtit SHF2030 > tu vzdy kupuji v GM, beha dobre a jeste se mi nestalo ze by ji nemeli. > Tohle oznaceni vzniklo IMHO nekde jejich preklepem pri zadavani do > databaze. > Pokud od nich budete chtit SHF203 tak vam reknou, ze ji nemaji a nikdy > nemeli. BPW... taky nemaj. > > OndraT > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ P??jemn? design. P??jemn?j?? cena! SonyEricsson T105 ji? od 577 K?. www.oskar.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74856 From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Thu Jun 24 08:36:49 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Thu Jun 24 08:36:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A553@vestex01.vest.corp> ...je to navod pro windowsy. Chce to jen 1 restart a boot z CD :-) -- Kosac > > SUPR.. > A navod na Widle by nebyl ;-) > > I am almost Windowz user only..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Macros The Black" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] testovani v Knoppixu > > > > David Sedl??ek wrote: > > > Macros The Black napsal(a): > > > > > >> David Sedl??ek wrote: > > >> > > >>> Macros The Black napsal(a): > > >>> > > >>>> David Sedl??ek wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Michal Malusek napsal(a): > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> silu a myslel si ze to nepujde :) hold asi se na to > budu muset > > >>>>>> vrhnout > > >>>>>> nekdy, prece jen route a ifconfig dost upada. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> To je teda blbost za 100 bodu, ifconfig a route ze > upada? Napis > > >>>>> alternativu, ktera je podle tebe pouzivanejsi. OMG > > >>>> > > >>>> V pripade BSD to blbost je. V pripade linuxu ne. Pouze s pomoci > > >>>> ifconfig & route nelze _plne_ afaik ovladat sitovy subsystem. > > >>>> > > >>> 1. rec byla celou dobu o Linuxu, viz nazev threadu. > > >> > > >> Ano byla. V tom pripade je tvoje prohlaseni, ze je to blbost, > > >> nepravdive. (v pripade BSD by to bylo oduvodnitelne) > > >> > > > Jak se to vezme, viz bod 2. > > > > > >>> 2. o tom cim se cela sit ovladat da zde nebyla rec. > > >> > > >> V zasade byla, na to jsi ostatne reagoval. ifconfig & > route upadaji > > >> v tom smyslu, ze neimplementuji ovladani dalsich featur sitoveho > > >> subsystemu linuxu. > > > > > > Ja to pochopil tak, ze jsou mene pouzivany. Ty jsi to > vzal takto. A > > > prakticky mozne, vyuzitelne featury jsou zde v teto > chvili take OT ;-). > > > > aha, ok ok :-) koncime! ;-) > > > > macros > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Jun 24 09:30:35 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Thu Jun 24 09:30:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 vs fulldupex Message-ID: <000c01c459c5$886905b0$0103450a@thechosen> nemate nekdo s touhle kartou zkusenosti? (3c900) mam s ni problemek s nastavenim full duplex pod linuxem. at nastavuju co nastavuju vidim ji jen jako 10Mb half. tak sem se nastval a zkusil na ni kouknout utilitkou od 3comu. tam sem ji natvrdo prepnul na 10baseT-FD, ulozilo se to do ni a ten programeu uz to hlasi porad ze je FD jenze linux porad rika half. nemuze to byt buga v mii-tool nebo ethtool? (nevim uz cim jde tahle nastavovat). nestalo se to nekomu taky? Glo From dzini at naex.sk Thu Jun 24 09:47:06 2004 From: dzini at naex.sk (Miroslav Madzin) Date: Thu Jun 24 09:47:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal Message-ID: <1088066826.40da950a56a88@webmailer.sk> > > caute, > > v GM som si kupil 16MHz krystal, ale ma len 2 nozicky a na fotke som si > > vsimol, ze tam je krystal, ktory ma 4 nozicky. da sa to najak prerobyt > alebo > > musim kupit novy? aky je jeho plny nazov. a chcem sa este spytat, ze kde > sa > > V seznamu je krystalovy oscilator, ty jsi koupil krystal. Ma to byt se > 4 nozickama. > > > na strankach ronji nachadza zozna, ze ktora suciastka ma ake oznacenie v > > scheme okrem celkovej schemy ronji, kde je napisane, ze tam je iba per > > uplnost a nebude ju treba. > > Tenhle dotaz nejak nechapu :( chcel som sa spytat, ze napriklad aku hodnotu ma kondenzator C11 atd. kde by som mohol najist tento zoznam. > Cl< s pozdravom Mirko From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 11:01:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 11:01:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: deska RONJA TWISTER In-Reply-To: <200406240856.i5O8u5C01926@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz> References: <200406240856.i5O8u5C01926@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz> Message-ID: <20040624100104.GA1402@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:54:09AM +0100, Hashi wrote: > Dobry den, dovolim si preposlat dotaz vyrobce desek, u ktereho jsem si zadal > vyrobit twister. > Prosim, odpovezte mi na jeho dotazy, abych mu i ja mohl poslat odpoved. > Diky, H. > > ---- > > konektory PSH02-02P, PSH02-03P, PSH02-04P m?ly b?t dle rozpisky zlacen?. > Nyn? m?me skladem c?novan?, m??eme je pro vzorkovou v?robu 2ks pou??t? > Pros?m o Va?e vyj?d?en?. To bych nedoporucoval, jsem presvedcen ze se tim snizi spolehlivost. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 11:01:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 11:01:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 vs fulldupex In-Reply-To: <000c01c459c5$886905b0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000c01c459c5$886905b0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040624100141.GB1402@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:30:35AM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > nemate nekdo s touhle kartou zkusenosti? (3c900) mam s ni problemek s > nastavenim full duplex pod linuxem. at nastavuju co nastavuju vidim ji jen > jako 10Mb half. tak sem se nastval a zkusil na ni kouknout utilitkou od > 3comu. tam sem ji natvrdo prepnul na 10baseT-FD, ulozilo se to do ni a ten > programeu uz to hlasi porad ze je FD jenze linux porad rika half. nemuze to > byt buga v mii-tool nebo ethtool? (nevim uz cim jde tahle nastavovat). > nestalo se to nekomu taky? Mam pocit ze nekdo rikal ze 3c900 v linuxu ma problemy s ovladacem ze tam snad nechodi fullduplex a ze 3c900b ne. Ale nejsem si tim jist. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 11:03:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 11:03:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal In-Reply-To: <1088066826.40da950a56a88@webmailer.sk> References: <1088066826.40da950a56a88@webmailer.sk> Message-ID: <20040624100336.GC1402@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:47:06AM +0200, Miroslav Madzin wrote: > > > caute, > > > v GM som si kupil 16MHz krystal, ale ma len 2 nozicky a na fotke som si > > > vsimol, ze tam je krystal, ktory ma 4 nozicky. da sa to najak prerobyt > > alebo > > > musim kupit novy? aky je jeho plny nazov. a chcem sa este spytat, ze kde > > sa > > > > V seznamu je krystalovy oscilator, ty jsi koupil krystal. Ma to byt se > > 4 nozickama. > > > > > na strankach ronji nachadza zozna, ze ktora suciastka ma ake oznacenie v > > > scheme okrem celkovej schemy ronji, kde je napisane, ze tam je iba per > > > uplnost a nebude ju treba. > > > > Tenhle dotaz nejak nechapu :( > > chcel som sa spytat, ze napriklad aku hodnotu ma kondenzator C11 atd. kde by som > mohol najist tento zoznam. Tenhle seznam je v navodu pouze pro twistera, protoze je potreba pri osazovani tistaku. C11 je tusim v nejakem jinem modulu. Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Jun 24 11:09:59 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Jun 24 11:09:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 vs fulldupex In-Reply-To: <20040624100141.GB1402@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000c01c459c5$886905b0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040624100141.GB1402@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406241209.59935.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 24. ?ervna 2004 12:01 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:30:35AM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > nemate nekdo s touhle kartou zkusenosti? (3c900) mam s ni problemek s > > nastavenim full duplex pod linuxem. at nastavuju co nastavuju vidim ji > > jen jako 10Mb half. tak sem se nastval a zkusil na ni kouknout utilitkou > > od 3comu. tam sem ji natvrdo prepnul na 10baseT-FD, ulozilo se to do ni a > > ten programeu uz to hlasi porad ze je FD jenze linux porad rika half. > > nemuze to byt buga v mii-tool nebo ethtool? (nevim uz cim jde tahle > > nastavovat). nestalo se to nekomu taky? > > Mam pocit ze nekdo rikal ze 3c900 v linuxu ma problemy s ovladacem ze > tam snad nechodi fullduplex a ze 3c900b ne. Ale nejsem si tim jist. 3C900 chodi naprosto bez potizi, dokonce korektni informace uz dnes tady sly: viz Testovani v knoppixu. 4. do prikazove radky zadejte "modprobe 3c59x options=0 full_duplex=1" pro testovani TP nebo "modprobe 3c59x options=1 full_duplex=1" pro AUI S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Thu Jun 24 12:02:44 2004 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (piotr.p) Date: Thu Jun 24 12:04:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Few problems Message-ID: <40DAB4D4.3070105@netway.elk.pl> Hi, I'am testing my recent builded Ronja(with Twister)... it's almoust working, but: (Without optics) I can send any data only from v.short distance (20cm), but RSSI gives 3V even from 2m. When Rx recive no light from tx, RSSI has 1,7V (is that OK?) All measurement points have proper values! diode= HPWT-BD00-E4000 Q101= BF998 (I used BF988 too) NIC with RTL8139, forced to 10BaseT-FD Tnx 4 any help. Pozdrawiam i przepraszam za ewentualne b??dy :) Pitr From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Jun 24 13:34:46 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Thu Jun 24 13:34:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 vs fulldupex References: <000c01c459c5$886905b0$0103450a@thechosen><20040624100141.GB1402@beton.cybernet.src> <200406241209.59935.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <001501c459e7$a473dab0$0103450a@thechosen> diky, to sem nevedel ze to musim udelat uz pri cucani driveru, u vsech jinejch to jde za behu. zkusim to tak udelat. Glo Dne ?t 24. ?ervna 2004 12:01 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:30:35AM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > nemate nekdo s touhle kartou zkusenosti? (3c900) mam s ni problemek s > > nastavenim full duplex pod linuxem. at nastavuju co nastavuju vidim ji > > jen jako 10Mb half. tak sem se nastval a zkusil na ni kouknout utilitkou > > od 3comu. tam sem ji natvrdo prepnul na 10baseT-FD, ulozilo se to do ni a > > ten programeu uz to hlasi porad ze je FD jenze linux porad rika half. > > nemuze to byt buga v mii-tool nebo ethtool? (nevim uz cim jde tahle > > nastavovat). nestalo se to nekomu taky? > > Mam pocit ze nekdo rikal ze 3c900 v linuxu ma problemy s ovladacem ze > tam snad nechodi fullduplex a ze 3c900b ne. Ale nejsem si tim jist. 3C900 chodi naprosto bez potizi, dokonce korektni informace uz dnes tady sly: viz Testovani v knoppixu. 4. do prikazove radky zadejte "modprobe 3c59x options=0 full_duplex=1" pro testovani TP nebo "modprobe 3c59x options=1 full_duplex=1" pro AUI S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 13:39:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 13:39:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Few problems In-Reply-To: <40DAB4D4.3070105@netway.elk.pl> References: <40DAB4D4.3070105@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <20040624123907.GB1582@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 01:02:44PM +0200, piotr.p wrote: > Hi, > I'am testing my recent builded Ronja(with Twister)... it's almoust > working, but: > > (Without optics) I can send any data only from v.short distance (20cm), > but RSSI gives 3V even from 2m. > When Rx recive no light from tx, RSSI has 1,7V (is that OK?) > > All measurement points have proper values! > diode= HPWT-BD00-E4000 > Q101= BF998 (I used BF988 too) > NIC with RTL8139, forced to 10BaseT-FD Did you deviate from the building instructions in any way? Cl< From bratrk at centrum.cz Thu Jun 24 13:41:46 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Thu Jun 24 13:41:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal References: <002601c45971$8baf1420$bfba50c3@Mirko> <005401c45978$b59d0290$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <009d01c459e8$9d5514a0$020a210a@marekbk> Prijimacich SFH-2030F (infra filter) diod mam navic cca 8, takze kdo chce tak jsou k dispozici. za 13,- kus. Vysilacich HSDL-4230 (infra) taky 8 za 23,- kus bk ----- Original Message ----- From: Steebe To: Twibright Ronja Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal take sem se divil kdyz mi v balicku prisel kristal misto oscilatoru - ale clock to uz v seznamu prepsal na krystaly a oscilatory (puvodne tam bylo Krystaly takze se ten muj shop kterej to objednava stejne z GME seknul ) takze staci jen koukat :) ja sem si toho vsimnul taky z fotky a primo po SILCu sem se poradil Online s Clockem co je spatne . malem sem si myslel ze mam nejlevnejsi krystalovy oscilator za 12 Kc .. :-D a v Prague ho maj za 90 :-D Ted mne spis stve ze prijimaci diody na RXko nejsou k sehani v GME :-( .. teda nebyly .. takze mam nejakou kourovou doufam ze pujde je to typ : BPV10NF - FOTODIODA PIN 5MM KOUR je v v katalogu pod cislem 520044 ( v ekvivalentech je : BPV10 (trochu hor??) tak nefim ... snad to je ona .. ) Nevi nekdo o RXkovych diodach ? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Miroslav Madzin To: Ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:28 AM Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal caute, v GM som si kupil 16MHz krystal, ale ma len 2 nozicky a na fotke som si vsimol, ze tam je krystal, ktory ma 4 nozicky. da sa to najak prerobyt alebo musim kupit novy? aky je jeho plny nazov. a chcem sa este spytat, ze kde sa na strankach ronji nachadza zozna, ze ktora suciastka ma ake oznacenie v scheme okrem celkovej schemy ronji, kde je napisane, ze tam je iba per uplnost a nebude ju treba. vdaka s pozdravom Mirko ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040624/b0c5b808/attachment.htm From dzini at naex.sk Thu Jun 24 14:08:34 2004 From: dzini at naex.sk (Miroslav Madzin) Date: Thu Jun 24 14:08:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal Message-ID: <1088082514.40dad25223e7b@webmailer.sk> >> > > caute, >> > > v GM som si kupil 16MHz krystal, ale ma len 2 nozicky a na fotke som si >> > > vsimol, ze tam je krystal, ktory ma 4 nozicky. da sa to najak prerobyt >> > alebo >> > > musim kupit novy? aky je jeho plny nazov. a chcem sa este spytat, ze kde >> > sa >> > >> > V seznamu je krystalovy oscilator, ty jsi koupil krystal. Ma to byt se >> > 4 nozickama. >> > >> > > na strankach ronji nachadza zozna, ze ktora suciastka ma ake oznacenie v >> > > scheme okrem celkovej schemy ronji, kde je napisane, ze tam je iba per >> > > uplnost a nebude ju treba. >> > >> > Tenhle dotaz nejak nechapu :( >> >> chcel som sa spytat, ze napriklad aku hodnotu ma kondenzator C11 atd. kde by >som >> mohol najist tento zoznam. > >Tenhle seznam je v navodu pouze pro twistera, protoze je potreba pri osazovani >tistaku. C11 je tusim v nejakem jinem modulu. > >Cl< ale prave ten zoznam nikde nemozem najist. s pozdravom Mirko From honza at hoidekr.net Thu Jun 24 14:19:06 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Hoidekr) Date: Thu Jun 24 14:18:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal In-Reply-To: <1088082514.40dad25223e7b@webmailer.sk> References: <1088082514.40dad25223e7b@webmailer.sk> Message-ID: <40DAD4CA.8020301@hoidekr.net> http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php Populating plan - vpravo je odkaz na netlist 1:1 a 1:N pokud oci stale nevidi, staci po otevreni stranky vyhledat "net" ;-) Honza Miroslav Madzin wrote: >>Tenhle seznam je v navodu pouze pro twistera, protoze je potreba pri osazovani >>tistaku. C11 je tusim v nejakem jinem modulu. >> >>Cl< >> >> > >ale prave ten zoznam nikde nemozem najist. > > s pozdravom Mirko > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From dzini at naex.sk Thu Jun 24 14:23:23 2004 From: dzini at naex.sk (Miroslav Madzin) Date: Thu Jun 24 14:23:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) Message-ID: <1088083403.40dad5cb05b63@webmailer.sk> >http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php > >Populating plan - vpravo je odkaz na netlist 1:1 a 1:N > >pokud oci stale nevidi, staci po otevreni stranky vyhledat "net" ;-) > >Honza > >Miroslav Madzin wrote: > >>>Tenhle seznam je v navodu pouze pro twistera, protoze je potreba pri osazovani >>>tistaku. C11 je tusim v nejakem jinem modulu. >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>> >> >>ale prave ten zoznam nikde nemozem najist. >> >> s pozdravom Mirko >> dik moc, ja som asi fakt slepy. s pozdravom Mirko From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Thu Jun 24 14:26:18 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Thu Jun 24 14:26:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A56F@vestex01.vest.corp> Jeste tohle: ktery? 120-105 CK 100N/50V2 X7R keramick? kondenz?tor RM=2,5mm 10% 120-060 CK 100N/63V keramick? kondenz?tor RM=5mm Y5V -20 +80% pouzdro B1 balen? AMMOPACK Je tam rozdil v cene skoro koruna... A je jich 42 na 2 twistry = 3 piva :-) A LM7805 muze byt tohle? (LM7805 nenachazim ani nahrady) 330-001 7805 plast. stab. +5V 1A TO220 Myslim, ze ne, protoze je plast ne? -- Kosac > -----Original Message----- > From: Macros The Black [mailto:macros@fear.cz] > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:59 PM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM > > > kondenzator: > CK 220N X7R 120-062 > > odpor: > RR 220R 110-057 > > elektrolyty: > E100M/16V 123-113 > E100M/10V MXB 123-477 > > macros > > kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > Super. Dik. > > > > Jeste jedna vec - Clock pise v navodu: > > Resistors, ordinary (250mW), preferrably metallic > > Ted nevim co mam vzit (odpor 220ohm): > > > > 119-059 RRU 220R odpor uhl?kov? 0,25W 5% 0207 > > 119-308 MPR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 0,1% vel.0207 > > 119-160 MRR 220R odpor metal.0,4W 1% 50ppm 0204 > > 110-057 RR 220R odpor metal.0,6W 1% 50ppm.0207 > > > > Jak se mam vyznat v tech velikostech? > > To samy v kondenzatorech (220n): > > (asi tenhle prvni) > > 120-169 CK 220N Z5U keramick? konden. 50V RM=5mm > > 120-062 CK 220N/63V Keramick? kondenz?tor 220nF 63V > RM=5,04mm Z5U AMMOPACK > > 120-078 CK 220N/63V2 Keramick? kondenz?tor 220 nF > 63V Z5U RM=2,54mm > > > > A v elytech se uz vubec nevyznam... :-( > > 100M je 100uF ? > > > > Dik za objasneni. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Thu Jun 24 17:14:44 2004 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (piotr.p) Date: Thu Jun 24 17:16:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Few problems In-Reply-To: <20040624123907.GB1582@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40DAB4D4.3070105@netway.elk.pl> <20040624123907.GB1582@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40DAFDF4.1070207@netway.elk.pl> #Did you deviate from the building instructions in any way? Everythink is just like instruction says. I checked: DC across R11(8,2 Ohm) on TX= 0,73V G1 in Q101= 23 mV I can send data only when RSSI is 3,95-4,05V Is there any possibility, that it will work with optics on 150m?? Pitr From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 17:48:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 17:48:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Few problems In-Reply-To: <40DAFDF4.1070207@netway.elk.pl> References: <40DAB4D4.3070105@netway.elk.pl> <20040624123907.GB1582@beton.cybernet.src> <40DAFDF4.1070207@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <20040624164852.GA3194@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 06:14:44PM +0200, piotr.p wrote: > #Did you deviate from the building instructions in any way? > > Everythink is just like instruction says. > > I checked: > DC across R11(8,2 Ohm) on TX= 0,73V > G1 in Q101= 23 mV This looks like broken through Q101. Did you also obey this rule?: "Use a soldering iron with grounded tip. If you use those gun-style irons with a loop of thick wire, connect an aligator-clip to the loop and ground it. If not possible, at least do not touch the BF988/BF907 and 74HC* parts with the gun while switching it on and off. " Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 18:35:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 18:35:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 16Mhz krystal In-Reply-To: <002001c45a0d$2b227650$0581000a@steebe> References: <20040624062117.GA673@beton.cybernet.src> <262546.4991617-25624-1108459368-1088059168@email.seznam.cz> <20040624064627.GB834@beton.cybernet.src> <002001c45a0d$2b227650$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040624173521.GA3295@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 07:03:23PM +0200, Steebe wrote: > Mno na dodaku ctu tohle : > > Katalogove cislo : 520044 > N?zev : BPV10NF - Fotodioda PIN 5mm kour - cena bez dph 9.70 Kc :) > vic z toho nevyctu :-) > opticky popis : tvarem jako 5 mmLEDka - cern? trochu do fialova .... :-D > mno dopis to tam ..... aby si na ni dali bacha :) . OK, uz jsem to tam pridal. Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Jun 24 18:44:55 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Thu Jun 24 18:45:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 vs fulldupex References: <000c01c459c5$886905b0$0103450a@thechosen><20040624100141.GB1402@beton.cybernet.src> <200406241209.59935.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <000901c45a12$f8184db0$0103450a@thechosen> jeste neco, ted sem to zkousel, modprobe s tema parametrama prosel jenze mii porad hlasi half, to je normalni?? nebo pak ma i mii hlasit full? Glo Dne ?t 24. ?ervna 2004 12:01 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:30:35AM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > nemate nekdo s touhle kartou zkusenosti? (3c900) mam s ni problemek s > > nastavenim full duplex pod linuxem. at nastavuju co nastavuju vidim ji > > jen jako 10Mb half. tak sem se nastval a zkusil na ni kouknout utilitkou > > od 3comu. tam sem ji natvrdo prepnul na 10baseT-FD, ulozilo se to do ni a > > ten programeu uz to hlasi porad ze je FD jenze linux porad rika half. > > nemuze to byt buga v mii-tool nebo ethtool? (nevim uz cim jde tahle > > nastavovat). nestalo se to nekomu taky? > > Mam pocit ze nekdo rikal ze 3c900 v linuxu ma problemy s ovladacem ze > tam snad nechodi fullduplex a ze 3c900b ne. Ale nejsem si tim jist. 3C900 chodi naprosto bez potizi, dokonce korektni informace uz dnes tady sly: viz Testovani v knoppixu. 4. do prikazove radky zadejte "modprobe 3c59x options=0 full_duplex=1" pro testovani TP nebo "modprobe 3c59x options=1 full_duplex=1" pro AUI S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 19:33:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 19:33:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A56F@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A56F@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20040624183351.GA3429@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 03:26:18PM +0200, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Jeste tohle: > ktery? > > 120-105 CK 100N/50V2 X7R keramick? kondenz?tor RM=2,5mm 10% > 120-060 CK 100N/63V keramick? kondenz?tor RM=5mm Y5V -20 +80% pouzdro B1 balen? AMMOPACK > > Je tam rozdil v cene skoro koruna... A je jich 42 na 2 twistry = 3 piva :-) > > A LM7805 muze byt tohle? (LM7805 nenachazim ani nahrady) > 330-001 7805 plast. stab. +5V 1A TO220 Muze, pridal jsem to do nahrad. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jun 24 19:36:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Jun 24 19:36:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky v GM In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A56F@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A56F@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20040624183608.GB3429@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 03:26:18PM +0200, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Jeste tohle: > ktery? > > 120-105 CK 100N/50V2 X7R keramick? kondenz?tor RM=2,5mm 10% > 120-060 CK 100N/63V keramick? kondenz?tor RM=5mm Y5V -20 +80% pouzdro B1 balen? AMMOPACK Kdyz postscripty od tistaku twistera vytisknes na papir tak muzes zmerit roztec tech kondu. Jsou 1:1. Zhlavy si to nepamatuju a mam v todo listu to tam dopsat ty informace o pouzdrech. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Jun 25 03:34:30 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Jun 25 03:34:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] detektory s HC164 In-Reply-To: <40D9CC25.7070405@fear.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9CC25.7070405@fear.cz> Message-ID: <200406250434.31453.ladmanj@volny.cz> Muze mi nekdo popsat jakou funkci presne plni ty dva detektory s posuvnymi registry HC164? Nevim jestli je to nevyspanim, ale nejak furt nemam jistotu ze tomu rozumim na 100%. Exaktni popis je prece jen lepsi nez domenky (neco jako, velmi zdrave, komentare ve zdrojacich softwaru). Pokud mi nekdo v tomto pomuze, lze ocekavat prvni verzi tezce miniaturizovaneho ala twistera s xilinxem do konce pristiho tydne. Zavazuji se zverejnit vsechny dostupne informace vcetne zdroju. Odhaduji ze by se mohla cena komplet TP rozhrani timto dostat na 300 za kus vcetne (jednostraneho tistaku). Jakub PS: Mam uz generator link integrity pulsu v xilinxu chodici - nebo spis teprve :-) From zapadlo at melzer.cz Fri Jun 25 06:54:55 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Fri Jun 25 06:54:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900 vs fulldupex In-Reply-To: <000901c45a12$f8184db0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000c01c459c5$886905b0$0103450a@thechosen> <200406241209.59935.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000901c45a12$f8184db0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200406250754.56181.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 24. ?ervna 2004 19:44 Michal Mal??ek napsal(a): > jeste neco, ted sem to zkousel, modprobe s tema parametrama prosel jenze > mii porad hlasi half, to je normalni?? nebo pak ma i mii hlasit full? Asi ano, tohle je hlaseni z dobre chodici ronji s kartou 3c900 preplou do AUI FD pres options ovladace: eth1: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0 basic mode: 10 Mbit, half duplex basic status: no link capabilities: advertising: S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 25 10:58:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 25 10:58:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] detektory s HC164 In-Reply-To: <200406250434.31453.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <51497507.20040623202059@volny.cz> <40D9CC25.7070405@fear.cz> <200406250434.31453.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040625095849.GB934@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 04:34:30AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Muze mi nekdo popsat jakou funkci presne plni ty dva detektory s posuvnymi > registry HC164? > Nevim jestli je to nevyspanim, ale nejak furt nemam jistotu ze tomu rozumim na > 100%. > Exaktni popis je prece jen lepsi nez domenky (neco jako, velmi zdrave, > komentare ve zdrojacich softwaru). > Pokud mi nekdo v tomto pomuze, lze ocekavat prvni verzi tezce > miniaturizovaneho ala twistera s xilinxem do konce pristiho tydne. > Zavazuji se zverejnit vsechny dostupne informace vcetne zdroju. > Odhaduji ze by se mohla cena komplet TP rozhrani timto dostat na 300 za kus > vcetne (jednostraneho tistaku). > > Jakub > > PS: Mam uz generator link integrity pulsu v xilinxu chodici - nebo spis > teprve :-) Tak mi posli zdrojaky toho co zatim mas s vysvetlenim, jakymi softwarovymi nastroji a jakym postupem se to do toho xilinxu programuje (a do jakeho typu) a ja ti vysvetlim, jak to funguje. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Jun 25 12:21:09 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Jun 25 12:21:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] detektory s HC164 In-Reply-To: <20040625095849.GB934@beton.cybernet.src> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <200406250434.31453.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040625095849.GB934@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406251321.09445.ladmanj@volny.cz> Odpovedel jsem soukrome. Myslim si ze zatim by to zde jen obtezovalo. Az bude projekt s xilinxem zverejnen, bude i zverejnen postup, jak se podilet na vyvoji. Jakub From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Jun 25 14:42:11 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Fri Jun 25 14:42:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] detektory s HC164 References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp><200406250434.31453.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040625095849.GB934@beton.cybernet.src> <200406251321.09445.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <003501c45aba$398f3540$0103450a@thechosen> tak tam pridej i Auto-negotiation :) misto jednoho pulsu jich jen nagenerujes vic > Odpovedel jsem soukrome. > Myslim si ze zatim by to zde jen obtezovalo. Az bude projekt s xilinxem > zverejnen, bude i zverejnen postup, jak se podilet na vyvoji. > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Jun 25 15:02:18 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Jun 25 15:02:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] detektory s HC164 In-Reply-To: <003501c45aba$398f3540$0103450a@thechosen> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <200406251321.09445.ladmanj@volny.cz> <003501c45aba$398f3540$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200406251602.18573.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Friday 25 June 2004 15:42, Michal Malusek wrote: > tak tam pridej i Auto-negotiation :) misto jednoho pulsu jich jen > nagenerujes vic To mam abychtak rekl v todo. Vyhoda xilinxe je, ze se da preprogarmovat a pro zmenu funkce neni treba menit tistak a podobne. Verze jedna bude ala twister (plnit jeho funkci a nic vic) dalsi bude posilat autoneg (ne prijimat) a uvidi se jestli to staci. A nakonec bych to rad integroval s prijimacem a prenasel hodnotu rssi "namodulovanou" na idle 1MHz. Jakmile bude nejaka hw platforma muze kazdy zajemce pracovat na tom vnitrnim navrhu a v pripade nejakeho uspechu to contributnout, ostatni si to flashnou a jede se dal. Aby byla hw platforma musi byt minimalisticka funkcni verze. Pokud to pujde jak planuji melo by to byt koncem pristiho tydne. Jakub > > > Odpovedel jsem soukrome. > > Myslim si ze zatim by to zde jen obtezovalo. Az bude projekt s xilinxem > > zverejnen, bude i zverejnen postup, jak se podilet na vyvoji. > > Jakub > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jun 25 22:58:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Jun 25 22:58:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 DIL 8 Message-ID: <20040625215850.GA259@beton.cybernet.src> Cau lidi narazil jsem na czfree na tenhle prispevek: "quote: 'Originally posted by RadeK_B NEDOPORUCUJI plosnak, u prijimace nedoporucuji NE592 v pouzdre s 8mi vyvody, byly s nim problemy (nejen v Ronji), Muzes problemy popsat?' Mam jednu linku se s NE592 se 14. Elektroniku na druhou mam zatim sletovanou na stole s NE592 s 8. na stole nejde uplne dobre, ale chybu zatim hledam v interface." Mate nekdo zkusenosti s tim NE592 DIL 8? Ja jsem presvedcen ze DIL 8 tam byt muze, ale nestavel jsem to s tim. Tihle lidi se tvarej jako ze by s tim problemy bejt mohly, ale me neni jasny, co by je mohlo zpusobovat. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Jun 26 18:34:53 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Jun 26 18:35:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 DIL 8 In-Reply-To: <20040625215850.GA259@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040625215850.GA259@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1088271293.40ddb3bd8b77f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> NE592 v DIL8 provozuju v 2*RX vrabcak a 4*RX plosnak a bez problemu. Problem byl pouze v uplne prvnim prototypu na PLS a bylo to vyhradne chybou v navrhu. Quoting Karel Kulhavy : > Cau lidi > > narazil jsem na czfree na tenhle prispevek: > > "quote: 'Originally posted by RadeK_B NEDOPORUCUJI plosnak, u prijimace > nedoporucuji NE592 v pouzdre s 8mi vyvody, byly s nim problemy (nejen v > Ronji), > Muzes problemy popsat?' > > Mam jednu linku se s NE592 se 14. Elektroniku na druhou mam zatim sletovanou > na > stole s NE592 s 8. na stole nejde uplne dobre, ale chybu zatim hledam v > interface." > > Mate nekdo zkusenosti s tim NE592 DIL 8? Ja jsem presvedcen ze DIL 8 tam > byt > muze, ale nestavel jsem to s tim. Tihle lidi se tvarej jako ze by s tim > problemy bejt mohly, ale me neni jasny, co by je mohlo zpusobovat. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From boza2 at volny.cz Sat Jun 26 20:03:47 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sat Jun 26 20:02:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 DIL 8 In-Reply-To: <20040625215850.GA259@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040625215850.GA259@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <9321901430.20040626210347@volny.cz> Zduvodneni je zde: http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=95652#post95652 KK> Cau lidi KK> narazil jsem na czfree na tenhle prispevek: KK> "quote: 'Originally posted by RadeK_B NEDOPORUCUJI plosnak, u prijimace KK> nedoporucuji NE592 v pouzdre s 8mi vyvody, byly s nim problemy (nejen v Ronji), KK> Muzes problemy popsat?' KK> Mam jednu linku se s NE592 se 14. Elektroniku na druhou mam zatim sletovanou na KK> stole s NE592 s 8. na stole nejde uplne dobre, ale chybu zatim hledam v KK> interface." KK> Mate nekdo zkusenosti s tim NE592 DIL 8? Ja jsem presvedcen ze DIL 8 tam byt KK> muze, ale nestavel jsem to s tim. Tihle lidi se tvarej jako ze by s tim KK> problemy bejt mohly, ale me neni jasny, co by je mohlo zpusobovat. KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Sun Jun 27 00:03:05 2004 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (piotr.p) Date: Sun Jun 27 00:04:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Few problems In-Reply-To: <20040624164852.GA3194@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40DAB4D4.3070105@netway.elk.pl> <20040624123907.GB1582@beton.cybernet.src> <40DAFDF4.1070207@netway.elk.pl> <20040624164852.GA3194@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40DE00A9.7010002@netway.elk.pl> #This looks like broken through Q101. I changed it sth. about 6 times, and everyone of them worked the same #Did you also obey this rule?: # #"Use a soldering iron with grounded tip. If you use...... Yes, definitely! Yesterday I soldered PCBs (designed by K.J.S.), and believe it or not - my "problem" still appears! So I'm wondering.... maybe my diode isn't really BPW43 ?? V.Unhappy.Pitr From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Jun 27 01:15:38 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Jun 27 01:15:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cpld tp interface was: detektory s HC164 In-Reply-To: <200406251602.18573.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <003501c45aba$398f3540$0103450a@thechosen> <200406251602.18573.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406270215.39352.ladmanj@volny.cz> Soucasny stav vyvoje tp iface s programovatelnou logikou je, ze jsem to prepsal na Clockovo prani (i moje ale sam bych neprekonal lenost) do Verilogu. Chvili to trvalo, ale uz chodi co chodilo. Cekam na popis podminek ktere vyhodnocuji ty diskriminatory. Protoze Clock asi zatim nema cas a ja jsem netrpelivy, apeluji na ostatni vyvojare z mailing listu - Pokud muzete, napiste mi neco jako napr. "na vystupu diskriminatoru x je log. 1 prave kdyz na vstupu je frekvence vyssi nez y a po skonceni trvani jeste z usec". Nepotrebuju popis obvodu, stejne implementace v cpld bude jina. Rad bych jeste zamakal pres vikend. Nehlede k tomu, ze velmi brzo budu muset nastoupit do prace a kdovi kolik pak bude casu. Diky Jakub Ladman PS: Ne ze by se to nedalo bezpecne zjistit z funkcniho twistera, ale jen s pomoci osciloskopu BM550 a bez logickyho analyzatoru je to onanie. Deje ktere zacinaji v nepredvidatelny okamzik (vyslani paketu) analogovym osciloskopem nechytim :-( From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Jun 27 03:13:08 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Jun 27 03:13:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cpld tp interface was: detektory s HC164 In-Reply-To: <200406270215.39352.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp> <200406251602.18573.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200406270215.39352.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200406270413.09074.ladmanj@volny.cz> > PS: Ne ze by se to nedalo bezpecne zjistit z funkcniho twistera, ale jen s > pomoci osciloskopu BM550 a bez logickyho analyzatoru je to onanie. > Deje ktere zacinaji v nepredvidatelny okamzik (vyslani paketu) analogovym > osciloskopem nechytim :-( Tak uz to pravdepodobne mam, jen jsem si to musel poradne nakreslit. V obou pripadech pokud 500ns chodi pulsy casteji nez 312,5ns je detekovan paket. V tx pripade se jeste informace o nem protahuje o dalsich 125ns. Jak jednoduche. Jakub Ladman From kpr at seznam.cz Sun Jun 27 09:21:43 2004 From: kpr at seznam.cz (KPR) Date: Sun Jun 27 09:21:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twistpair transceiver References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp><200406251602.18573.ladmanj@volny.cz><200406270215.39352.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200406270413.09074.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c45c1f$c7c478a0$2380a8c0@net> Zdravim, nedavno se mi do ruky dostaly prevodniky AUI<->UDP , tak me napadlo jestli jste je nekdo nezkousel pouzit primo v ronja projektu? ... treba jako nahradu twistera... . Sitovych karet PCI s AUI je velmi malo, tak mozna proto by bylo jejich pouziti take zajimave. KPR From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Jun 27 11:05:48 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sun Jun 27 11:06:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twistpair transceiver References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A540@vestex01.vest.corp><200406251602.18573.ladmanj@volny.cz><200406270215.39352.ladmanj@volny.cz><200406270413.09074.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000f01c45c1f$c7c478a0$2380a8c0@net> Message-ID: <000501c45c2e$544cb220$0103450a@thechosen> a kolik to stoji? ja jen jestli se nevyplati postavit rovnou twistra za tech 600 nebo na kolik vyjde. Glo > Zdravim, > nedavno se mi do ruky dostaly prevodniky AUI<->UDP , tak me napadlo jestli > jste je nekdo nezkousel pouzit primo v ronja projektu? ... treba jako > nahradu twistera... . > Sitovych karet PCI s AUI je velmi malo, tak mozna proto by bylo jejich > pouziti take zajimave. > > KPR > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Jun 27 18:55:54 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Jun 27 18:57:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] detektory s HC164 Message-ID: <20040627175607Z1301757-25494+5962@mail.centrum.cz> ku**a me to smoli. tak ja si obednam tistaky na twistra a on se tu rysuje uz naky jednodussi :P... hlavne doufam ze to nebude neco jako to co delal mrx111 (meno uz nevim) bo to je neco sileneho. aspon pro me. .... no, ted me zrovna napada ze kdyby to chtel nekdo kupit tak je to k dispozici ( 2x xilinx + jeden osazeny modul) . nevim jak ostatni co to delali ale ja sem v tom nasel kupu bugu.... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Jakub Ladman > Komu: Michal Malusek , Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:02:18 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] detektory s HC164 > > On Friday 25 June 2004 15:42, Michal Malusek wrote: > > tak tam pridej i Auto-negotiation :) misto jednoho pulsu jich jen > > nagenerujes vic > To mam abychtak rekl v todo. > Vyhoda xilinxe je, ze se da preprogarmovat a pro zmenu funkce neni treba menit > tistak a podobne. > Verze jedna bude ala twister (plnit jeho funkci a nic vic) > dalsi bude posilat autoneg (ne prijimat) a uvidi se jestli to staci. > A nakonec bych to rad integroval s prijimacem a prenasel hodnotu rssi > "namodulovanou" na idle 1MHz. > > Jakmile bude nejaka hw platforma muze kazdy zajemce pracovat na tom vnitrnim > navrhu a v pripade nejakeho uspechu to contributnout, ostatni si to flashnou > a jede se dal. > Aby byla hw platforma musi byt minimalisticka funkcni verze. > Pokud to pujde jak planuji melo by to byt koncem pristiho tydne. > > Jakub > > > > > Odpovedel jsem soukrome. > > > Myslim si ze zatim by to zde jen obtezovalo. Az bude projekt s xilinxem > > > zverejnen, bude i zverejnen postup, jak se podilet na vyvoji. > > > Jakub > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Jun 27 19:20:17 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Jun 27 19:22:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] programovani xilixu Message-ID: <20040627182019Z1302597-25496+5998@mail.centrum.cz> tusim ze Jakub Ladman napsal ze dela ronju s xilinxama. chci se zeptat jak slozite je jejich naprogramovani. nedavno sem obevil programator na atmely ( 3x zenerka, 3x odpor + kadel a je to cele, takze primitivni), tak jestli je programovani xilinxu taky tak jednoduche. muzu se zeptat jaky pouzivas souftver na vyvoj? nebo kde se daji sehnat nake informace o hradlovych polich?(nejslip ceske ale...). docela me to zajima... dik From clock at twibright.com Sun Jun 27 20:39:42 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jun 27 20:39:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] About the Ronja project`s phisycal address In-Reply-To: <000b01c44d8d$bee62da0$0200a8c0@ale> References: <000b01c44d8d$bee62da0$0200a8c0@ale> Message-ID: <20040627193942.GA12076@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 04:21:03PM -0300, alexandre@vcs.com.br wrote: > > Hi Clock, > > Do you can to send me the phisycal address of your project? Why? Well, Im > brazilian (with money to donate :-) but I want to donate a typical brazilian > tea called "Ch? Mate" (Mate Tea). Its very good to you and your friend to > drink while are projecting. I could to donate other thing from my land if > you want. What? But this tea its very good. Thanks for your generosity but sorry, I wouldn't like to accept food donations. Cl< > > Ch? Matte official site: http://www.leaojunior.com.br/produtos/saquinho.htm > > Do you accept? > > Thanks, > > Alexandre Hoffmann Ventura > 23/06/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From brano at zilina.net Sun Jun 27 20:49:16 2004 From: brano at zilina.net (bb) Date: Sun Jun 27 20:50:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] uprava RX Message-ID: <200406272149.16098.brano@zilina.net> Neskusal niekto urobit RX tak ze by na vstupe nepouzil ten FET, ale bipolarny tranzistor? Lebo som nieco take skusil, a mam taky pocit ze to chodi trochu lepsie ako s tym FETom. Ked nic tak sa omnoho menej prejavi kapacita tej diody a vstupu tranzistora. Este skusim urobit zopar testov a vysledky sem postnem. Ak to nahodou niekto uz skusal, tak prosim napiste, nech s tym zbytocne netravim cas. zapojenie: +----o-------o | | | _|_ | | |R3 \ / | |R1 | | | | | |____ out | | | / C +----o----| | | \ E | |R2 | | | | | | --- --- a miesto C160 dat priamy prepoj bb. From kneza at poupe.net Sun Jun 27 22:08:54 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Sun Jun 27 22:09:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net Message-ID: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> Ahoj, oznamuju ze jsme dneska v siti SouthPrague.Net rozjeli prvni Ronju Tetrapolis. Standartni hnizda + twister na pcb. Mechanika uplne vlastni (130ka). Fotky dodam pozdeji. je to nadhera ;-)) P.S. kolik mam mit cca RSSI na 300m? ;-) Kneza From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Jun 27 22:18:02 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Jun 27 22:16:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net In-Reply-To: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> Message-ID: <10710517816.20040627231802@volny.cz> Nevim, na 743m mam v jednom smeru 1.2V hnizdo a 2.6V tistak. Ale jsou to hausnumera. Hlavne aby ti to jelo :-) Mnoho zdaru! OndraT MKPN> Ahoj, MKPN> oznamuju ze jsme dneska v siti c rozjeli prvni Ronju MKPN> Tetrapolis. MKPN> Standartni hnizda + twister na pcb. Mechanika uplne vlastni (130ka). MKPN> Fotky dodam pozdeji. MKPN> je to nadhera ;-)) MKPN> P.S. kolik mam mit cca RSSI na 300m? ;-) MKPN> Kneza MKPN> _______________________________________________ MKPN> Ronja mailing list MKPN> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MKPN> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Sun Jun 27 22:18:44 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Sun Jun 27 22:18:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net In-Reply-To: <10710517816.20040627231802@volny.cz> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <10710517816.20040627231802@volny.cz> Message-ID: <40DF39B4.3060401@poupe.net> Ja jsem na 3.6V takze nadhera ;-) jen mne to zajimalo na porovnani...diky Kneza Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Nevim, > na 743m mam v jednom smeru 1.2V hnizdo a 2.6V tistak. > Ale jsou to hausnumera. Hlavne aby ti to jelo :-) > > Mnoho zdaru! > OndraT > > MKPN> Ahoj, > > MKPN> oznamuju ze jsme dneska v siti c rozjeli prvni Ronju > MKPN> Tetrapolis. > MKPN> Standartni hnizda + twister na pcb. Mechanika uplne vlastni (130ka). > > MKPN> Fotky dodam pozdeji. > > MKPN> je to nadhera ;-)) > > > MKPN> P.S. kolik mam mit cca RSSI na 300m? ;-) > > MKPN> Kneza > From cbedison at centrum.cz Sun Jun 27 22:42:43 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Sun Jun 27 22:43:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz RX Message-ID: <20040627214248Z2330816-1045+27107@mail.centrum.cz> Zdravim, mel bych dotaz: na lince v Radotine mi uz 3x odesel BF988 v RX, ale jen na jedne strane, kde jsou pobliz Ronjy 3 WiFi anteny a stozar neni uzemeny... Nevite nekdo co s tim ? Druha strana (na balkone) je OK Diky za odpoved, Edison Radotin http://www.edison-radotin.cz From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jun 28 00:27:45 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jun 28 00:28:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] programovani xilixu In-Reply-To: <20040627182019Z1302597-25496+5998@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040627182019Z1302597-25496+5998@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200406280127.46145.ladmanj@volny.cz> Programovani xilinxu je stejne jednoduche jako u tech atmelu. Akorat vyvojove prostredi neni pro linux, takze me to pekne s*re. Viz www.xilinx.com a treba www.mcu.cz a www.nahitech.com/naxjp-e.html Co se tyce vyvoje bez nutnosti windows, napisu az prozkoumam posledni variantu zvanou webfitter v kombinaci s icarus verilogem Jakub On Sunday 27 June 2004 20:20, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > tusim ze Jakub Ladman napsal ze dela ronju s xilinxama. chci se zeptat jak > slozite je jejich naprogramovani. nedavno sem obevil programator na atmely > ( 3x zenerka, 3x odpor + kadel a je to cele, takze primitivni), tak jestli > je programovani xilinxu taky tak jednoduche. muzu se zeptat jaky pouzivas > souftver na vyvoj? nebo kde se daji sehnat nake informace o hradlovych > polich?(nejslip ceske ale...). docela me to zajima... > > dik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 07:27:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 07:27:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz RX In-Reply-To: <20040627214248Z2330816-1045+27107@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040627214248Z2330816-1045+27107@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040628062738.GA12701@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 11:42:43PM +0200, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > Zdravim, > mel bych dotaz: > na lince v Radotine mi uz 3x odesel BF988 v RX, ale jen na jedne strane, kde jsou pobliz Ronjy > 3 WiFi anteny a stozar neni uzemeny... Nevite nekdo co s tim ? > Druha strana (na balkone) je OK Mate tam tuhle elektroniku? http://images.twibright.com/tns/673.htm Podle toho obrazku tam nejsou nastrihane a naohybane ty pacicky na vickach, pokud to je zpusobene pronikanim elektromagneticke energie dovnitr, tak je to kvuli tomu, ze chybeji ty pacicky. Miri Ronja smerem k WiFi nebo od nich? Nechce se mi verit ze by se pres to vicko i bez pacicek dostalo tolik energie aby to ten vstup oddelalo. Mate problemy s prenosem kdyz WiFi vysilaji? A za jak dlouho od instalace ten tranzistor odejde? Nebo se to stava pri bource? Jak daleko jsou ty WiFi? Ten stozar rozhodne uzemnete, uz jenom proto, ze jestli neni uzemneny a prasti do nej blesk tak je riziko pozaru toho pocitace ktery je dole a pripojeny k te Ronje. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 07:29:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 07:29:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net In-Reply-To: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040628062950.GB12701@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 11:08:54PM +0200, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > Ahoj, > > oznamuju ze jsme dneska v siti SouthPrague.Net rozjeli prvni Ronju > Tetrapolis. > Standartni hnizda + twister na pcb. Mechanika uplne vlastni (130ka). Hm, gratuluju :) > > Fotky dodam pozdeji. > > je to nadhera ;-)) > > > P.S. kolik mam mit cca RSSI na 300m? ;-) Ja mam na balkone na 250m 800mV ale uz nevim jestli je v tom stary nebo novy RSSI ;-) Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Jun 28 07:39:06 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 07:39:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <20040628062950.GB12701@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000d01c45cda$9e582820$0103450a@thechosen> 200m asi 1,2V a 600mV, jendou sem tam videl i 1,6V > On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 11:08:54PM +0200, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > oznamuju ze jsme dneska v siti SouthPrague.Net rozjeli prvni Ronju > > Tetrapolis. > > Standartni hnizda + twister na pcb. Mechanika uplne vlastni (130ka). > > Hm, gratuluju :) > > > > Fotky dodam pozdeji. > > > > je to nadhera ;-)) > > > > > > P.S. kolik mam mit cca RSSI na 300m? ;-) > > Ja mam na balkone na 250m 800mV ale uz nevim jestli je v tom stary nebo novy > RSSI ;-) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From cbedison at centrum.cz Mon Jun 28 10:48:37 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Mon Jun 28 10:49:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz RX Message-ID: <20040628094851Z2329452-2511+2903@mail.centrum.cz> zdravim, > Mate tam tuhle elektroniku? > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/673.htm Odkaz nefunguje :( > Podle toho obrazku tam nejsou nastrihane a naohybane ty pacicky na vickach, > pokud to je zpusobene pronikanim elektromagneticke energie dovnitr, tak je to > kvuli tomu, ze chybeji ty pacicky. > > Miri Ronja smerem k WiFi nebo od nich? Ronja miri smerem na druhou stranu od WiFi (24dB sito miri smerem od Ronjy) > Nechce se mi verit ze by se pres to vicko i bez pacicek dostalo tolik energie > aby to ten vstup oddelalo. Mate problemy s prenosem kdyz WiFi vysilaji? A za > jak dlouho od instalace ten tranzistor odejde? Nebo se to stava pri bource? Tranzistor odejde vetsinou ihned po instalaci.... Jeste se mi nepovedlo nainstalovat to tak, aby RX ukazoval nejake RSSI > Jak daleko jsou ty WiFi? Asi 20cm > Ten stozar rozhodne uzemnete, uz jenom proto, ze jestli neni uzemneny a prasti > do nej blesk tak je riziko pozaru toho pocitace ktery je dole a pripojeny k te > Ronje. To je prave problem... Na tom dome neni hromosvod ;( Edison Radotin -------------------- Volejte ze zahrani?? ji? za 9,90 K?/min. www.t-mobile.cz http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.t-mobile.cz From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 11:06:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 11:06:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz RX In-Reply-To: <20040628094851Z2329452-2511+2903@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040628094851Z2329452-2511+2903@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040628100636.GA18802@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 11:48:37AM +0200, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > zdravim, > > Mate tam tuhle elektroniku? > > > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/673.htm Aha sorry ukousl jsem posledni pismenko pri obtahovani mysi. Ma to bejt http://images.twibright.com/tns/673.html > Tranzistor odejde vetsinou ihned po instalaci.... Jeste se mi nepovedlo > nainstalovat to tak, aby RX ukazoval nejake RSSI A neni mozne ze to odchazi kvuli necemu jinemu nez te wifine? Jinak ty pacicky tam udelejte a zkuste to s nima. Odejte skutecne ten tranzistor? Neodejde tam neco jineho? > > > Jak daleko jsou ty WiFi? > > Asi 20cm > > > Ten stozar rozhodne uzemnete, uz jenom proto, ze jestli neni uzemneny a prasti > > do nej blesk tak je riziko pozaru toho pocitace ktery je dole a pripojeny k te > > Ronje. > To je prave problem... Na tom dome neni hromosvod ;( Je ten stozar uzemnenej cestou po stineni wifi kabelu? Taky by to mohlo bejt nejakou statickou elektrinou ktera tam vznika nekde od gradientu 100V/m ktery je za normalniho pocasi. Ale neni mi jasne jak kdyz se takovy vyboj privede na vystupy toho RX jak se muze zpropagovat az k tranzistoru. Leda by tam nebyly ty pacicky a prosaklo se to nejak netesnostma toho vicka ;-) Zkuste to s pacickama. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jun 28 12:44:30 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jun 28 12:44:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net In-Reply-To: <20040628062950.GB12701@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <20040628062950.GB12701@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406281344.30825.ladmanj@volny.cz> > > P.S. kolik mam mit cca RSSI na 300m? ;-) > > Ja mam na balkone na 250m 800mV ale uz nevim jestli je v tom stary nebo > novy RSSI ;-) 700m - 90mm - 350mV (shruba stejne na obou stranach) - nova verze RSSI. Jak tu Ondra, nebo kdo, psal o tech dvou voltech tak jsem se uplne zdesil, je u nas ta sila ty vzdalenosti a rouram adekvatni? Jakub From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jun 28 12:56:22 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jun 28 12:56:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] spinave pradlo k vyprani na verejnosti In-Reply-To: <20040628062950.GB12701@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <20040628062950.GB12701@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406281356.22174.ladmanj@volny.cz> Clock mi slibil ze pokud mu poskytnu svoje dosavadni zdrojaky, vysvetli mi funkci diskriminatoru v twisterovi. Zdrojaky jsem poslal. Cekal. Nakonec jsem funkci pochopil sam, ale cekal bych alespon potvrzeni ci vyvraceni spravnosti meho vysledku, ci nejaky duvod, proc mi najednou slibene neposila. Pripada mi ze si vyhrazuje u open source projektu byt sam jedinym vyvojarem. Divne Mozna ze reaguju prilis podrazdene, nerad bych krivdil, ale jsem docela na*ranej. BTW: uz mam do verilogu prepsanyho celyho twistera, a ted debugguju. Jakub From jacpublic at poczta.onet.pl Mon Jun 28 12:57:35 2004 From: jacpublic at poczta.onet.pl (Jacek) Date: Mon Jun 28 12:58:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Coils In-Reply-To: <20040624073724Z669133-28710+9159@ps1.test.onet.pl> References: <20040624073724Z669133-28710+9159@ps1.test.onet.pl> Message-ID: <596766770.20040628135735@poczta.onet.pl> Hello, Cl<, Thursday, June 24, 2004, 9:37:19 AM, you wrote: rrlpn> Users have reported problems with factory-made 1uH burning when short-circuit rrlpn> occured in RX, TX or signal cabling. rrlpn> I have replaced this coil back to hand-made one. Replacement was done in rrlpn> receiver, twister, transmitter, aui forte. 1uH is equivalent now with rrlpn> notice about current rating. coil burning could be avoided if diode will be placed serial not parrel to power supply, why it's still parrel? is it protection against transient overvoltage? btw. Can I use 0,6uH (88ohm@25Mhz non linear) ferrite based coil? -- Best regards, Jack From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Jun 28 14:20:14 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Jun 28 14:18:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] spinave pradlo k vyprani na verejnosti In-Reply-To: <200406281356.22174.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <20040628062950.GB12701@beton.cybernet.src> <200406281356.22174.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <12326165183.20040628152014@volny.cz> Ano, je to Clockuv projekt, co do nej zaradi, je jen na nem. On je jediny jeho manager. Tak to proste je. Neni to nic proti nicemu. Pokud ti neco slibil, tak verim ze to dodrzi - to je lidske jednani nezavisle na projektu. :-) Otazka je, jetli zvlada reagovat tak rychle jak ty potrebujest. Jinak tvuj prispevek do projektu je pro nej IMHO nepripustny do doby, nez sezenes programovadlo pod opensource. Ale cele je to jen muj nazor. OndraT JL> Clock mi slibil ze pokud mu poskytnu svoje dosavadni zdrojaky, vysvetli mi JL> funkci diskriminatoru v twisterovi. JL> Zdrojaky jsem poslal. JL> Cekal. JL> Nakonec jsem funkci pochopil sam, ale cekal bych alespon potvrzeni ci JL> vyvraceni spravnosti meho vysledku, ci nejaky duvod, proc mi najednou slibene JL> neposila. JL> Pripada mi ze si vyhrazuje u open source projektu byt sam jedinym vyvojarem. JL> Divne JL> Mozna ze reaguju prilis podrazdene, nerad bych krivdil, ale jsem docela JL> na*ranej. JL> BTW: uz mam do verilogu prepsanyho celyho twistera, a ted debugguju. JL> Jakub JL> _______________________________________________ JL> Ronja mailing list JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 16:11:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 16:11:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] spinave pradlo k vyprani na verejnosti In-Reply-To: <200406281356.22174.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <20040628062950.GB12701@beton.cybernet.src> <200406281356.22174.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040628151153.GB19039@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 01:56:22PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Clock mi slibil ze pokud mu poskytnu svoje dosavadni zdrojaky, vysvetli mi > funkci diskriminatoru v twisterovi. V sobotu jsem byl cely den pryc a v nedeli jsem byl taky pryc krome vecera a nedostal jsem se k tomu :( Ze budu v sobotu pryc jsem v patek vecer jeste nevedel. A to kecani je na delsi psani tak jsem se k tomu jeste nedostal, protoze dnes dopoledne jsem neco delal a po obede jsem byl zase mimo. Ted jsem teda sesmolil 103-radkovy elaborat (pri delce radku 80 znaku) a poslal Jakubovi. Jakube potvrd prosimte, ze jsem Ti poslal skutecne to co jsem slibil. > Mozna ze reaguju prilis podrazdene, nerad bych krivdil, ale jsem docela > na*ranej. Hm - ani ne. Co mi muze udelat kdyz na mailing list napises pravdu? :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 16:39:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 16:40:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Coils In-Reply-To: <596766770.20040628135735@poczta.onet.pl> References: <20040624073724Z669133-28710+9159@ps1.test.onet.pl> <596766770.20040628135735@poczta.onet.pl> Message-ID: <20040628153958.GC19133@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 01:57:35PM +0200, Jacek wrote: > Hello, > > Cl<, Thursday, June 24, 2004, 9:37:19 AM, you wrote: > > rrlpn> Users have reported problems with factory-made 1uH burning when short-circuit > rrlpn> occured in RX, TX or signal cabling. > > rrlpn> I have replaced this coil back to hand-made one. Replacement was done in > rrlpn> receiver, twister, transmitter, aui forte. 1uH is equivalent now with > rrlpn> notice about current rating. > > coil burning could be avoided if diode will be placed > serial not parrel to power supply, why it's still parrel? > is it protection against transient overvoltage? Because in serial configuration there would be a voltage drop of about 0.7-1V which is not permissible. > btw. Can I use 0,6uH (88ohm@25Mhz non linear) ferrite based coil? The value is OK, but I don't know the performance at 50MHz (if the ferrite is fast enough). The hand-made one is I think better. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 16:41:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 16:41:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net In-Reply-To: <200406281344.30825.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <20040628062950.GB12701@beton.cybernet.src> <200406281344.30825.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040628154144.GD19133@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 01:44:30PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > P.S. kolik mam mit cca RSSI na 300m? ;-) > > > > Ja mam na balkone na 250m 800mV ale uz nevim jestli je v tom stary nebo > > novy RSSI ;-) > > 700m - 90mm - 350mV (shruba stejne na obou stranach) - nova verze RSSI. > > Jak tu Ondra, nebo kdo, psal o tech dvou voltech tak jsem se uplne zdesil, je > u nas ta sila ty vzdalenosti a rouram adekvatni? Ty cifry co z toho lezou jsou absolutni hausnumera, zalezi to na nekolika faktorech, takze to ma strasny rozptyl. Dva kusy se proti sobe nedaj srovnavat. Je to urceny pouze na nalezeni maxima v prijimanem signalu a kontrolu, ze signal je pritomen. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 16:48:42 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 16:48:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] programovani xilixu In-Reply-To: <200406280127.46145.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20040627182019Z1302597-25496+5998@mail.centrum.cz> <200406280127.46145.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040628154842.GE19133@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 01:27:45AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Programovani xilinxu je stejne jednoduche jako u tech atmelu. Akorat vyvojove > prostredi neni pro linux, takze me to pekne s*re. Viz www.xilinx.com a treba > www.mcu.cz a www.nahitech.com/naxjp-e.html Ten link na naxjp mi nefunguje. Nasel jsem ale tohle, coz asi ma bejt ono: http://www.nahitech.com/nahitafu/naxjp/naxjp-e.html A taky seznam nejakych free software projektu co zahrnujou JTAG: http://recycle.lbl.gov/~ldoolitt/jtag.html > Co se tyce vyvoje bez nutnosti windows, napisu az prozkoumam posledni variantu > zvanou webfitter v kombinaci s icarus verilogem A ten webfitter doufam ze aspon funguje :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 17:51:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 17:51:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twistpair transceiver In-Reply-To: <000f01c45c1f$c7c478a0$2380a8c0@net> References: <200406270413.09074.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000f01c45c1f$c7c478a0$2380a8c0@net> Message-ID: <20040628165151.GF19225@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 10:21:43AM +0200, KPR wrote: > Zdravim, > nedavno se mi do ruky dostaly prevodniky AUI<->UDP , tak me napadlo jestli > jste je nekdo nezkousel pouzit primo v ronja projektu? ... treba jako > nahradu twistera... . Viz Ronja FAQ tam se popisujou tusim 2 zpusoby pouziti prevodniku s AUI Forte. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 17:56:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 17:56:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Few problems In-Reply-To: <40DE00A9.7010002@netway.elk.pl> References: <40DAB4D4.3070105@netway.elk.pl> <20040624123907.GB1582@beton.cybernet.src> <40DAFDF4.1070207@netway.elk.pl> <20040624164852.GA3194@beton.cybernet.src> <40DE00A9.7010002@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <20040628165655.GA19287@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 01:03:05AM +0200, piotr.p wrote: > #This looks like broken through Q101. > > I changed it sth. about 6 times, and everyone of them worked the same > > #Did you also obey this rule?: > # > #"Use a soldering iron with grounded tip. If you use...... > > Yes, definitely! > > > Yesterday I soldered PCBs (designed by K.J.S.), and believe it or not - > my "problem" still appears! > So I'm wondering.... maybe my diode isn't really BPW43 ?? This can be a possible cause of the problem. Isn't the diode completely dark (black)? Cl< From vitek.jedlicka at tiscali.cz Mon Jun 28 18:56:32 2004 From: vitek.jedlicka at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?V=EDt_Jedlicka?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 18:56:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nedari se mi sehnat 74HC4040 References: <40B1F78600F22B8F@stateless2.tiscali.cz> (added by postmaster@mail.tiscali.cz) Message-ID: <001701c45d39$3f53ebc0$d62d6692@NX> Zdravim, nedari se mi sehnat 74HC4040 GES v Hradci a GM v Praze nemeli a nevedili. Kdepak se to da objednat Vit Jedlicka From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Jun 28 19:17:28 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Jun 28 19:16:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nedari se mi sehnat 74HC4040 In-Reply-To: <001701c45d39$3f53ebc0$d62d6692@NX> References: <40B1F78600F22B8F@stateless2.tiscali.cz> (added by postmaster@mail.tiscali.cz) <001701c45d39$3f53ebc0$d62d6692@NX> Message-ID: <11643997661.20040628201728@volny.cz> Jeste ze je v te Praze tech elektro obchodu fura :-) http://www.pselectronic.cz/home.htm Na webu ho maji, jestli ve skutecnosti to se uvidi. Taky ho shanim. Ondra VJ> Zdravim, VJ> nedari se mi sehnat 74HC4040 GES v Hradci a GM v Praze nemeli a nevedili. VJ> Kdepak se to da objednat VJ> Vit Jedlicka VJ> _______________________________________________ VJ> Ronja mailing list VJ> Ronja@lists.pointless.net VJ> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 19:24:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 19:24:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <000801c45d34$2f0425a0$9f01a8c0@Sofin> References: <000801c45d34$2f0425a0$9f01a8c0@Sofin> Message-ID: <20040628182437.GA21678@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 07:20:15PM +0200, Vladim?r Kucha? wrote: > Tak toto je jedin? odkaz na netu kter? je smyslupln? na tak dost dobr? produkt jako je ronja > > M??e mi n?kdo odpov?d?t na tyto ot?zky? > > 1. Jak? je posledn? verze (parametry) syst?mu Ronja Tetrapolis, parametry viz http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/spec.php > 2. Zda je mo?n? si ji u n?koho objednat komer?n? , jeliko? aplikace jsou v > provozu byl bych r?d n?jakou nejprve instaloval a z?skal zku?enosti provozem > , ne? za??t n?co s?m vyv?jet J? ??dnou komer?n? neprod?v?m. O nikom kdo by celou Ronju d?lal komer?n? nev?m. > 3. cena za v?robek na jednu trasu v d?lce cca 1km Cena za materi?l je 4000K?, jinou cenu nev?m. Zdrav?m, Cl< > Moc d?kuji za odpov?? > > s pozdravem Vladim?r Kucha? , Sofin Consulting Vala?sk? Mezi???? > From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 19:25:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 19:25:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nedari se mi sehnat 74HC4040 In-Reply-To: <001701c45d39$3f53ebc0$d62d6692@NX> References: <40B1F78600F22B8F@stateless2.tiscali.cz> <001701c45d39$3f53ebc0$d62d6692@NX> Message-ID: <20040628182545.GA21718@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 07:56:32PM +0200, V?t Jedlicka wrote: > Zdravim, > nedari se mi sehnat 74HC4040 GES v Hradci a GM v Praze nemeli a nevedili. > Kdepak se to da objednat Zkousel ses koukat sem?: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware Cl< > > Vit Jedlicka > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jun 28 19:36:50 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jun 28 19:37:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] spinave pradlo k vyprani na verejnosti In-Reply-To: <20040628151153.GB19039@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <200406281356.22174.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040628151153.GB19039@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406282036.50574.ladmanj@volny.cz> Clock: Ano odpoved prisla, dekuji a omlouvam se. Boza: Opensource programovadlo je, opensource vyvojove prostredky (icarus verilog) taky, jediny problem je s Fitterem (netlist zpracuje pro konkretni chip a vygeneruje jedec soubor, ktery se napali do brouka), ten opensource neni a asi ani nebude, ale firma xilinx ma na webu formular zvany webfitter, kam se uploadnou soubory a vyplivne to soubor pro programovadlo. Jakub From bratrk at centrum.cz Mon Jun 28 19:45:45 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Mon Jun 28 19:45:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> Message-ID: <004601c45d40$1f12ea80$020a210a@marekbk> Tak tohle me ceka nekdy pristi mesic. V letnanech / na Proseku. 12x PCB twister je odzkouseny a funkcni. Hnizda RX TX se prave letuji.. Musim potvrdit ze opice (ja) dokaze osadit Twistra ( 20 hodin / 12 kusu ) a se Simandlovou pomoci i odzkouset. :-). Zkouseno propojenim rx tx stredy kabelu na dvou twisterech. Ping -f .. 3 ztracene pakety z nejakejch 20-ti minut pingani... Sitovky 3com 10Mbit combo. bk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:08 PM Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net > Ahoj, > > oznamuju ze jsme dneska v siti SouthPrague.Net rozjeli prvni Ronju > Tetrapolis. > Standartni hnizda + twister na pcb. Mechanika uplne vlastni (130ka). > > Fotky dodam pozdeji. > > je to nadhera ;-)) > > > P.S. kolik mam mit cca RSSI na 300m? ;-) > > Kneza > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 19:50:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 19:50:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net In-Reply-To: <004601c45d40$1f12ea80$020a210a@marekbk> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <004601c45d40$1f12ea80$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <20040628185049.GA21821@beton.cybernet.src> > > Musim potvrdit ze opice (ja) dokaze osadit Twistra ( 20 hodin / 12 kusu ) a > se Simandlovou pomoci i odzkouset. :-). > Zkouseno propojenim rx tx stredy kabelu na dvou twisterech. Ping -f .. 3 > ztracene pakety z nejakejch 20-ti minut pingani... Aha ping -f no tam se muzou ztratit pakety kdyz tucnacek zascheduluje :( Kdyby se to zkusilo s nejakym zarucene funkcnim dratem a ronjapingem tak by se mohlo takhle otestovat, jestli v Twisteru neni nejaka drobna buga - nejakej hazard, kterej by zpusoboval, ze jeden z mnoha milionu paketu se zmrsi nebo tak. Tak az to budete delat znova a nebudete vedet co s casem, tak to muzete zkusit ;-) Cl< From bratrk at centrum.cz Mon Jun 28 20:00:08 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Mon Jun 28 20:00:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <004601c45d40$1f12ea80$020a210a@marekbk> <20040628185049.GA21821@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <007801c45d42$220c4270$020a210a@marekbk> Az se budou testovat vysilace a prijimace tak se pujde do hloubky.. Ted slo hlavne o otestovani opice :-) bk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net > > > > Musim potvrdit ze opice (ja) dokaze osadit Twistra ( 20 hodin / 12 kusu ) a > > se Simandlovou pomoci i odzkouset. :-). > > Zkouseno propojenim rx tx stredy kabelu na dvou twisterech. Ping -f .. 3 > > ztracene pakety z nejakejch 20-ti minut pingani... > > Aha ping -f no tam se muzou ztratit pakety kdyz tucnacek zascheduluje :( > > Kdyby se to zkusilo s nejakym zarucene funkcnim dratem a ronjapingem tak by se > mohlo takhle otestovat, jestli v Twisteru neni nejaka drobna buga - nejakej > hazard, kterej by zpusoboval, ze jeden z mnoha milionu paketu se zmrsi nebo > tak. Tak az to budete delat znova a nebudete vedet co s casem, tak to muzete > zkusit ;-) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Mon Jun 28 20:03:02 2004 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vojtech_Cizinsk=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 20:03:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nedari se mi sehnat 74HC4040 References: <20040628182624Z278801-13154+5417@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000401c45d42$8929a8d0$702da8c0@woita> Minuly ctvrtek taky v GM v Sokolovsky HC4040 nemeli, vzal jsem HCT verzi. 1 MHz z Twistera lita, vic jsem zatim neozkousel. Navic to je uvedeny i jako nahrada za HC. WoiTa From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Jun 28 20:21:43 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Jun 28 20:29:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nedari se mi sehnat 74HC4040 In-Reply-To: <000401c45d42$8929a8d0$702da8c0@woita> Message-ID: <40E08BE7.30255.2BEA62@localhost> No, oni by ty HCT snad mohly byt, s vyjimkou budice koaxialu, v rozpisce preferovany pred HC. Vzhledem k tomu, ze se to spojuje s 26LS3x, ktery jede v TTL, nemylim-li se? On 28 Jun 2004 at 21:03, Vojtech Cizinsk? wrote: > Minuly ctvrtek taky v GM v Sokolovsky HC4040 nemeli, vzal jsem HCT verzi. 1 > MHz z Twistera lita, vic jsem zatim neozkousel. Navic to je uvedeny i jako > nahrada za HC. > > WoiTa > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Jun 28 19:44:45 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Jun 28 20:46:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net In-Reply-To: <20040628154144.GD19133@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200406281344.30825.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <40E0833D.18464.A1045@localhost> On 28 Jun 2004 at 15:41, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 01:44:30PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > > P.S. kolik mam mit cca RSSI na 300m? ;-) > > > > > > Ja mam na balkone na 250m 800mV ale uz nevim jestli je v tom stary nebo > > > novy RSSI ;-) > > > > 700m - 90mm - 350mV (shruba stejne na obou stranach) - nova verze RSSI. > > > > Jak tu Ondra, nebo kdo, psal o tech dvou voltech tak jsem se uplne zdesil, je > > u nas ta sila ty vzdalenosti a rouram adekvatni? Tak jsem asi pred hodinou ty dva volty RSSI po chvilce ladeni u Ondreje videl na vlastni oci :) Pokud je mereni RSSI zapojeno se dvema diodama, tak to zas takovy hausnumera nejsou. Pokud jsou pouzite MOSFETy a LED diody z jednoho baleni, tak se napeti u jednotlivych kusu v zavislosti na osvetleni lisi v jednotkach procent. >>> TO dalsi plati pro jednu diodu >>>>> >Ty cifry co z toho lezou jsou absolutni hausnumera, zalezi to na nekolika > faktorech, takze to ma strasny rozptyl. Dva kusy se proti sobe nedaj srovnavat. > Je to urceny pouze na nalezeni maxima v prijimanem signalu a kontrolu, ze > signal je pritomen. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Jun 28 21:23:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 21:23:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net In-Reply-To: <40E0833D.18464.A1045@localhost> References: <200406281344.30825.ladmanj@volny.cz> <40E0833D.18464.A1045@localhost> Message-ID: <20040628202314.GB22224@beton.cybernet.src> > Tak jsem asi pred hodinou ty dva volty RSSI po chvilce ladeni u Ondreje videl na > vlastni oci :) > Pokud je mereni RSSI zapojeno se dvema diodama, tak to zas takovy hausnumera > nejsou. Pokud jsou pouzite MOSFETy a LED diody z jednoho baleni, tak se napeti u > jednotlivych kusu v zavislosti na osvetleni lisi v jednotkach procent. Hm kdyz jsou ze stejny davky tak to je dost mozny. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Jun 29 11:32:51 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Jun 29 11:33:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net In-Reply-To: <20040628154144.GD19133@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <200406281344.30825.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040628154144.GD19133@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200406291232.51764.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Ty cifry co z toho lezou jsou absolutni hausnumera, zalezi to na nekolika > faktorech, takze to ma strasny rozptyl. Dva kusy se proti sobe nedaj > srovnavat. Je to urceny pouze na nalezeni maxima v prijimanem signalu a > kontrolu, ze signal je pritomen. > s tim jsem samozrejme pocital, ale v obou pripadech bylo nalezene maximum okolo 350mV Co se tyce stejnych serii mosfetu a led diod, tak to nevim, ja to nebastlil. Jakub From simandl at mujmail.cz Tue Jun 29 12:13:36 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Tue Jun 29 12:12:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Tetrapolis v siti SouthPrague.Net In-Reply-To: <007801c45d42$220c4270$020a210a@marekbk> References: <40DF3766.3090305@poupe.net> <004601c45d40$1f12ea80$020a210a@marekbk> <20040628185049.GA21821@beton.cybernet.src> <007801c45d42$220c4270$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <40E14EE0.4010400@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, jeste sem postnu odkaz na opici vybeh :) http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/fotky/20040627twister/20040627twister.htm Z 12 kousku byly trable u dvou. Odber twisteru je kolem 150mA@12V a pred zkousenim jsme vzdy zkontrolovali odber. V serii s 12V napajenim z pocitace jsme dali 30ohmu rezistor aby pripadny zkrat tak nevadil. Vyplatilo se to u jednoho kusu kdy to odhalilo slity cin pres dva pady. Po oprave chodil v pohode. Dalsi kus mel tri pady nesletovane. Po vyhledani a proletovani jiz opet bez problemu. Behem testovani jsme nakonec pouzili 3com 10Mbitove karty. Kdyz jsme to meli pripojene na 100Mbit karty tak jsme je asi nemeli nastavene na 10Mbit a nebyly obe na full nebo half duplex a projevovalo se to tak ze byl asi 50% packet loss. Ostatne to uz tady popisovalo vic lidi. hezky den bratrk napsal(a): > Az se budou testovat vysilace a prijimace tak se pujde do hloubky.. Ted slo > hlavne o otestovani opice :-) > bk From clock at twibright.com Tue Jun 29 13:59:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jun 29 13:59:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] [mach@austis.cz: =?iso-8859-2?q?rezav=ECn=ED_=BEeleza_pod_n=E1t?= =?iso-8859-2?q?=ECrem=5D?= Message-ID: <20040629125950.GB23908@beton.cybernet.src> Tady preposilam odpoved od podpory firmy Austis co jsem se jich ptal na problem, ze jsem Ronju natrel na bilo, ale byla na ni spousta malych rezavych tecek, ktere se casem nezvetsovaly. Myslim ze se jedna o popisovanou aplikacni chybu - zretelne si pamatuju, ze jsem nenatiral "z plneho stetce", naopak jsem se snazil o co nejtenci film. Ze se ma natirat "z plneho stetce" jsem nevedel a asi to nejak zakomponuju do navodu Ronji, vcetne toho, ze se muze nechavat pod barvou modra nebo cerna vrstvicka koroznich produktu (odbrousit to z profilu mi prijde celkem nadlidska prace ;-) ) Cl< ----- Forwarded message from Miroslav Mach ----- From: "Miroslav Mach" To: Subject: rezav?n? ?eleza pod n?t?rem Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:29:38 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on beton.cybernet.src X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=2.63 V??en? pane, velmi se omlouv?m za stra?liv? ?asov? odstup, s kter?m reaguji; je to ??ste?n? vinou techniky, z v?t?? ??sti ale zanepr?zdn?nost?. T?eba V?m je?t? odpov?? n?jak poslou??. Eternal antikor (pravd?podobn? akryl?tov?) 2 x + Eternal (mat akryl?tov?) 2 x - rezav?n?. Pokud v?e popisujete (25. 2. 2004) jak se ud?lo a n?t?r zasychal p?i pokojov? teplot?, je nejpravd?podobn?j?? p???inou prorezav?n? n?t?ru jeho mal? tlou??ka. tomu nasv?d?uje i Va?e pozn?mka, ?e b?lou jste nat?ral v?ce ne? dvakr?t (asi t?ikr?t?). Byla by to vcelku obvykl? aplika?n? chyba. Vodou ?editeln?mi n?t?rov?mi hmotami, jejich? pojivem je akryl?tov? cor-shell, nebo podobn? disperse, je t?eba nat?rat "z pln?ho ?t?tce", na rozd?l od olejov?ch nebo syntetick?ch NH. V opa?n?m p??pad? je v?sledkem tenk? film, co? je p??zniv? z hlediska spot?eby a ?patn? z hlediska ochrann?ch vlastnost?. Spot?eba NH je technick? ?daj. Obchodnick? hr?tky s touto veli?inou jsou obecn? ?kodliv?. Ochrann? vlastnosti n?t?r? z?vis? na jejich tlou??ce . Tenk? ochrann? n?t?ry s vysokou ochrannou ??innost? neexistuj? (a plat? to i u vedlej??ch produkt? kosmick?ho v?zkumu.). Pokud nedo?lo k podkorodov?n? n?t?ru, jde jen o rezav? skvrny, nen? mo?n? se jich zbavit p?et?en?m vodou ?editelnou barvou. Isolaci, p?eru?en? krv?cen?, je mo?n? p?et?en?m rozpou?t?dlovou NH, nap?. syntetickou. Jako vrchn? n?t?r na pov?trnosti je ale vhodn?j?? akryl?t. ??m lep?? je p??prava podkladu, t?m lep?? je ?ivotnost n?t?ru. Nech?vat korozn? produkty pod n?t?rem je chyba (krom? tenk?ch naprosto p?ilnav?ch modr?ch, ?ern?ch apod vrstvi?ek vznikl?ch nap?. p?i oh??t? plamenem). Je?t? m? napad?: Ty te?ky, nen? to obrus? Nebyly nat?en? d?ly zapr??eny p?i brou?en? jin?ch ocelov?ch d?l?? Pokud jsou na povrchu oceli okuje, m?ly by se odstranit. Zhor?uj? ?ivotnost n?t?ru. Pro n?ro?n?j?? n?t?ry doporu?uji pou??vat jako z?kladn? antikorozn? barvu Eternal antikor alkydov?. M. Mach, AUSTIS a. s. --- Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov?no antivirov?m syst?mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.712 / Virov? b?ze: 468 - datum vyd?n?: 27.6.2004 ----- End forwarded message ----- From ronja at duje.net Wed Jun 30 13:06:49 2004 From: ronja at duje.net (Ivo) Date: Wed Jun 30 13:09:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Alternative LED Message-ID: <001701c45e9a$b8fb2da0$0bc8a8c0@jelena> Hi, I would like to check if I can use some LEDs that I already have for ronja. They have following characteristics : 13000 mcd luminous intensity, 8 degree view angle of half power, 525nm emission wavelength (green). If I understood technical data for HPWT-BD00-F4000 (which is stronges in ronja project) and the concept of operation, leds that I have, have smaller view angle (8 deg. compared to 30 deg. of HPWT) and similar intensity (13Cd / 14,6 Cd) so the lens could be much smaller (with same focal length, of course) and yet still achieve same distance. Can someone tell me did I interpret data corectly? BTW, as prices for ethernet to fiber converters have dropped a lot, is anyone thinking on modifiying such devices for same purpose? Regards, Ivo. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040630/4fcd7c8d/attachment.htm From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 30 14:10:52 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Jun 30 14:11:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] bpw43 vs shf2030 Message-ID: <000701c45ea3$adfd5f00$0103450a@thechosen> hola, porovnaval nekdo tyhle dve diody? nejlepe v jednom a tom samem RX :). mozna Ty Clocku, ne? bpw je psana jako prvni tak by me zajimalo jestli je lepsi, tedy znatelne ze to poznam treba na dosahu, a ma cenu se po ni pidit. Thx Glo From ndesir at saitis.net Wed Jun 30 15:23:02 2004 From: ndesir at saitis.net (Nicolas Desir) Date: Wed Jun 30 15:24:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Alternative LED In-Reply-To: <001701c45e9a$b8fb2da0$0bc8a8c0@jelena> References: <001701c45e9a$b8fb2da0$0bc8a8c0@jelena> Message-ID: <20040630142302.GG22651@hydro> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 02:06:49PM +0200, Ivo wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to check if I can use some LEDs that I already have for ronja. > They have following characteristics : 13000 mcd luminous intensity, 8 degree > view angle of half power, 525nm emission wavelength (green). What is the size of the emmision zone of the led? 3mm, 5 or more? Nicolas D. From ronja at duje.net Wed Jun 30 15:44:45 2004 From: ronja at duje.net (Ivo) Date: Wed Jun 30 15:48:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Alternative LED In-Reply-To: <20040630142302.GG22651@hydro> References: <001701c45e9a$b8fb2da0$0bc8a8c0@jelena> <20040630142302.GG22651@hydro> Message-ID: <40E2D1DD.7010508@duje.net> Nicolas Desir wrote: > What is the size of the emmision zone of the led? 3mm, 5 or more? > >Nicolas D. > >__ > Size of the led is 5mm. emmision zone ? :-) From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 30 16:59:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 30 17:00:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Alternative LED In-Reply-To: <001701c45e9a$b8fb2da0$0bc8a8c0@jelena> References: <001701c45e9a$b8fb2da0$0bc8a8c0@jelena> Message-ID: <20040630155908.GA1413@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 02:06:49PM +0200, Ivo wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to check if I can use some LEDs that I already have for ronja. > They have following characteristics : 13000 mcd luminous intensity, 8 degree > view angle of half power, 525nm emission wavelength (green). Unusable. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 30 17:00:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 30 17:01:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] bpw43 vs shf2030 In-Reply-To: <000701c45ea3$adfd5f00$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000701c45ea3$adfd5f00$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040630160026.GB1413@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 03:10:52PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > hola, > porovnaval nekdo tyhle dve diody? nejlepe v jednom a tom samem RX :). mozna > Ty Clocku, ne? bpw je psana jako prvni tak by me zajimalo jestli je lepsi, > tedy znatelne ze to poznam treba na dosahu, a ma cenu se po ni pidit. Experimentalne jsem to neporovnaval. Myslim ze BPW43 nebude o vic nez o trochu lepsi. Cl< From ronja at duje.net Wed Jun 30 17:07:32 2004 From: ronja at duje.net (Ivo) Date: Wed Jun 30 17:11:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Alternative LED In-Reply-To: <20040630155908.GA1413@beton.cybernet.src> References: <001701c45e9a$b8fb2da0$0bc8a8c0@jelena> <20040630155908.GA1413@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40E2E544.6070004@duje.net> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 02:06:49PM +0200, Ivo wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I would like to check if I can use some LEDs that I already have for ronja. >>They have following characteristics : 13000 mcd luminous intensity, 8 degree >>view angle of half power, 525nm emission wavelength (green). >> >> > >Unusable. > > Could you share a secret why? (So that I (and others) don't come again with similar question) Thanks. From caffr at seznam.cz Wed Jun 30 17:18:30 2004 From: caffr at seznam.cz (caffr) Date: Wed Jun 30 17:18:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problemy s RX Message-ID: <64418.214537-11466-364210415-1088612310@email.seznam.cz> Zdravim, postavil sem Twistra na tistacich od Knezy a ten se zda, ze funguje. Kdyz spojim na svorkovnici TX s RX kratkym dratkem, chova se stejne jako pri WIRE LOOPBACK modu. V Tcpdumpu jsou videt pakety dvakrat. Jediny, co je divny je, ze nesviti cervena LEDka - vubec. Oranzova sviti furt, zelena v rytmu pingu, ale cervena ne. Dalsi problem je ale v RX vzdusne konstrukce. RSSI vubec nereaguje na ledku ani na dalkovy ovladani. Namerene hodnoty: P102 1,7 (3,5 - 4) P104 5 (6 - 7) P105 1,8 (6) P106 5 (6) P108 10 (10,8) P109 4,5 (5,3) V zavorkach jsou ty, co tam maji byt dle navodu. Diky za jakykoli podnety k zprovozneni. ____________________________________________________________ Akce kde vyhrava kazdy! Jednodenni cocky Focus Dailies. Ziskejte 5 cocek v hodnote 115 Kc a navic hrajte o zasobu na pul roku! http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74718 From steebe at seznam.cz Wed Jun 30 17:55:59 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Wed Jun 30 17:58:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problemy s RX References: <64418.214537-11466-364210415-1088612310@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <003701c45ec3$2f3e1d10$0581000a@steebe> Tak k te ledce - bacha je tam obracene polarizae .. tedy na tistaku je to dobre ale asi ses prehlidnul - koukni na ostatni ledky zelena a oranzova maj katod? a nebo anodu na levo (podle toho jak koukas ) a cervena ji ma naopak .. pozor na to ... !!! RX - ted sem si ho jen tak z pokusu pripojil a musim rict ze mi to s shf2030 v pohode facha a rssi mi ukazuje nejake ty hodnotky :) Vecer se jeste vrham na dalsi davku TXek .. takze kdyz bude cas tak sem hodim i namerene hodnoty na bodech .. PS : fakt bacha na tu ledku cervenou .. ma to fakt opacne GND a + ... mrkni na to :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "caffr" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: [Ronja] problemy s RX > Zdravim, > postavil sem Twistra na tistacich od Knezy a ten se zda, ze funguje. Kdyz spojim na svorkovnici TX s RX kratkym dratkem, chova se stejne jako pri WIRE LOOPBACK modu. V Tcpdumpu jsou videt pakety dvakrat. Jediny, co je divny je, ze nesviti cervena LEDka - vubec. Oranzova sviti furt, zelena v rytmu pingu, ale cervena ne. Dalsi problem je ale v RX vzdusne konstrukce. RSSI vubec nereaguje na ledku ani na dalkovy ovladani. Namerene hodnoty: > P102 1,7 (3,5 - 4) > P104 5 (6 - 7) > P105 1,8 (6) > P106 5 (6) > P108 10 (10,8) > P109 4,5 (5,3) > V zavorkach jsou ty, co tam maji byt dle navodu. > > Diky za jakykoli podnety k zprovozneni. > ____________________________________________________________ > Akce kde vyhrava kazdy! Jednodenni cocky Focus Dailies. Ziskejte 5 cocek v hodnote 115 Kc a navic hrajte o zasobu na pul roku! > > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74718 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 30 18:41:09 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Jun 30 18:42:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problemy s RX References: <64418.214537-11466-364210415-1088612310@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <002d01c45ec9$6fc07da0$0103450a@thechosen> no ja nevim ale ty hodnoty mas totalne mi mo, to snad se ani nemusis ptat co tam je spatne a poradne to zkontrolovat :) chyab se projevi vetsinou jen v jedne hodnote. napr: p102 1,7V? bud mas uz blbe P101 kde ma byt asi 11,5 a nebo mas blbe delic co tam doji tech 3,5 (delic s 82K a 180K). nejdriv srovnej tohle a pak di dal glo Namerene hodnoty: > P102 1,7 (3,5 - 4) > P104 5 (6 - 7) > P105 1,8 (6) > P106 5 (6) > P108 10 (10,8) > P109 4,5 (5,3) > V zavorkach jsou ty, co tam maji byt dle navodu. > > Diky za jakykoli podnety k zprovozneni. From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 30 18:48:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 30 18:50:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problemy s RX In-Reply-To: <64418.214537-11466-364210415-1088612310@email.seznam.cz> References: <64418.214537-11466-364210415-1088612310@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040630174838.GA1575@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 06:18:30PM +0200, caffr wrote: > Zdravim, > postavil sem Twistra na tistacich od Knezy a ten se zda, ze funguje. Kdyz spojim na svorkovnici TX s RX kratkym dratkem, chova se stejne jako pri WIRE LOOPBACK modu. V Tcpdumpu jsou videt pakety dvakrat. Jediny, co je divny je, ze nesviti cervena LEDka - vubec. Oranzova sviti furt, zelena v rytmu pingu, ale cervena ne. Dalsi problem je ale v RX vzdusne konstrukce. RSSI vubec nereaguje na ledku ani na dalkovy ovladani. Namerene hodnoty: > P102 1,7 (3,5 - 4) > P104 5 (6 - 7) > P105 1,8 (6) > P106 5 (6) > P108 10 (10,8) > P109 4,5 (5,3) > V zavorkach jsou ty, co tam maji byt dle navodu. > > Diky za jakykoli podnety k zprovozneni. Delal jsi vystupni kontrolu? Jaka je hodnota na P101? Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Wed Jun 30 18:53:05 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Wed Jun 30 18:54:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a rtl8139 Message-ID: <40E2FE01.8040700@poupe.net> Caf, na jakych sitovkach provozujete twistera? mne se to na rtl8139 chova divne.. max speed cca 1.5Mbyte/s (celkem).. pri vyssim zatizeni to zacne lossovat. Kneza --- From macros at fear.cz Wed Jun 30 18:59:27 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Wed Jun 30 19:00:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a rtl8139 In-Reply-To: <40E2FE01.8040700@poupe.net> References: <40E2FE01.8040700@poupe.net> Message-ID: <40E2FF7F.3000905@fear.cz> 3x Intel tedy: 0000:00:11.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 10) 0000:00:12.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 10) 0000:00:13.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 10) 0% pl pri jakemkoliv zatizeni na vsech trech spojich macros Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > Caf, > na jakych sitovkach provozujete twistera? > mne se to na rtl8139 chova divne.. max speed cca 1.5Mbyte/s (celkem).. > pri vyssim zatizeni to zacne lossovat. > Kneza > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 30 18:59:12 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Jun 30 19:01:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a rtl8139 References: <40E2FE01.8040700@poupe.net> Message-ID: <000b01c45ecb$f5bd9170$0103450a@thechosen> ??????? ????????????????? ????????? 1,5Mbyte = 12Mbit jak to z toho dokazes vyzdimat? Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: [Ronja] Twister a rtl8139 > Caf, > na jakych sitovkach provozujete twistera? > mne se to na rtl8139 chova divne.. max speed cca 1.5Mbyte/s (celkem).. > pri vyssim zatizeni to zacne lossovat. > Kneza > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 30 19:24:59 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Jun 30 19:26:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a rtl8139 References: <40E2FE01.8040700@poupe.net> <000b01c45ecb$f5bd9170$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <000d01c45ecf$8fc8f6d0$0103450a@thechosen> sorry uz mi to doslo, in + out (muze byt max 20), sme nejakej prepracovanej a je to jakej realtek? mi treba mame 8139D, hlasi se tak a je to napsane na chipu a pak mame take co se tak hlasej ale na chipu je neco jineho. Glo > ??????? ????????????????? ????????? > 1,5Mbyte = 12Mbit jak to z toho dokazes vyzdimat? > > Glo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:53 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Twister a rtl8139 > > > > Caf, > > na jakych sitovkach provozujete twistera? > > mne se to na rtl8139 chova divne.. max speed cca 1.5Mbyte/s (celkem).. > > pri vyssim zatizeni to zacne lossovat. > > Kneza > > > > --- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 30 19:40:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 30 19:41:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a rtl8139 In-Reply-To: <000d01c45ecf$8fc8f6d0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <40E2FE01.8040700@poupe.net> <000b01c45ecb$f5bd9170$0103450a@thechosen> <000d01c45ecf$8fc8f6d0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040630184013.GD1652@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 08:24:59PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > sorry uz mi to doslo, in + out (muze byt max 20), sme nejakej prepracovanej > > a je to jakej realtek? mi treba mame 8139D, hlasi se tak a je to napsane na > chipu a pak mame take co se tak hlasej ale na chipu je neco jineho. Ja mam rtl8139 pismenko na konci nevim a chodi to s tim skvele. Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Wed Jun 30 19:43:07 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Wed Jun 30 19:44:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a rtl8139 In-Reply-To: <20040630184013.GD1652@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40E2FE01.8040700@poupe.net> <000b01c45ecb$f5bd9170$0103450a@thechosen> <000d01c45ecf$8fc8f6d0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040630184013.GD1652@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40E309BB.5000600@poupe.net> Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 08:24:59PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > >>sorry uz mi to doslo, in + out (muze byt max 20), sme nejakej prepracovanej >> >>a je to jakej realtek? mi treba mame 8139D, hlasi se tak a je to napsane na >>chipu a pak mame take co se tak hlasej ale na chipu je neco jineho. > > > Ja mam rtl8139 pismenko na konci nevim a chodi to s tim skvele. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Wed Jun 30 19:44:18 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Wed Jun 30 19:45:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a rtl8139 In-Reply-To: <20040630184013.GD1652@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40E2FE01.8040700@poupe.net> <000b01c45ecb$f5bd9170$0103450a@thechosen> <000d01c45ecf$8fc8f6d0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040630184013.GD1652@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40E30A02.5050704@poupe.net> nastavoval jsi fullduplex a 10Mbit jak?? ja pres ethtool... co mne zarazi je ze na kazdym compu mi ale hlasi ruzne tento radek: Current message level: 0x00000007 (7) na druhym je cislo v zavorce -1 obe jsou dle ethtool 10Mbit full autoneg off Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 08:24:59PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > >>sorry uz mi to doslo, in + out (muze byt max 20), sme nejakej prepracovanej >> >>a je to jakej realtek? mi treba mame 8139D, hlasi se tak a je to napsane na >>chipu a pak mame take co se tak hlasej ale na chipu je neco jineho. > > > Ja mam rtl8139 pismenko na konci nevim a chodi to s tim skvele. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Jun 30 19:44:57 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Jun 30 19:46:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] bpw43 vs shf2030 References: <000701c45ea3$adfd5f00$0103450a@thechosen> <20040630160026.GB1413@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000c01c45ed2$5a5883f0$0103450a@thechosen> a jeste jedna otazecka na tvurce pripadne ostatni. hodnota napeti P102 na fetu ma byt 3,5 - 4.u vsech rx co sem postavil (4) sem to mel asi 3,52V. tak sem to nechal byt kdzy dsah byl asi 2,5-3m. melo by cenu to dostouchat treba na 3,75? nebo je to u zputna v tomhle rozmezi? Glo > On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 03:10:52PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > hola, > > porovnaval nekdo tyhle dve diody? nejlepe v jednom a tom samem RX :). mozna > > Ty Clocku, ne? bpw je psana jako prvni tak by me zajimalo jestli je lepsi, > > tedy znatelne ze to poznam treba na dosahu, a ma cenu se po ni pidit. > > Experimentalne jsem to neporovnaval. Myslim ze BPW43 nebude o vic nez o trochu > lepsi. > > Cl< > From clock at twibright.com Wed Jun 30 20:09:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jun 30 20:10:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] bpw43 vs shf2030 In-Reply-To: <000c01c45ed2$5a5883f0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000701c45ea3$adfd5f00$0103450a@thechosen> <20040630160026.GB1413@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c45ed2$5a5883f0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040630190905.GB1726@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 08:44:57PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > a jeste jedna otazecka na tvurce pripadne ostatni. hodnota napeti P102 na > fetu ma byt 3,5 - 4.u vsech rx co sem postavil (4) sem to mel asi 3,52V. tak > sem to nechal byt kdzy dsah byl asi 2,5-3m. melo by cenu to dostouchat treba > na 3,75? nebo je to u zputna v tomhle rozmezi? putna. Cl< From ndesir at saitis.net Wed Jun 30 23:10:00 2004 From: ndesir at saitis.net (Nicolas Desir) Date: Wed Jun 30 23:10:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Alternative LED In-Reply-To: <40E2E544.6070004@duje.net> References: <001701c45e9a$b8fb2da0$0bc8a8c0@jelena> <20040630155908.GA1413@beton.cybernet.src> <40E2E544.6070004@duje.net> Message-ID: <20040630221000.GH22651@hydro> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 06:07:32PM +0200, Ivo wrote: > > Could you share a secret why? (So that I (and others) don't come again > with similar question) > Thanks. I was asking about the size, because the smallest and best angle you can get with a led is atan(led diameter/focal) so if you use a 5mmm instead a 3mm you have to multiply the focal and the transmitter pipe length by 5/3 to keep the same angle at the output of the transmitter head. a lot of people ask about other led, even much more bigger leds, even some with integrated reflector that goes up to 30mm. Could work with a 2,5m focal lense ;) (and the size of the lense would depend of the angle at about 2,5m) it's why laser diodes can be so easily concentrated (collimated), they have emitting surface like 0.01 mm or even less about the luminous intensity: you have 13 cd with 8 degrees (half angle), (the intensity is in general the maximum one), HPWT-BD00-F4000 has 14.6 cd with 30 degrees (half angle), with small angle and doing an approximation, we can say that (it's just something about solid angles): output light power of HPWT 14.6 * (2*30)^2 ------------------------------ =~ --------------- =~ 16 output light power of your led 13 * (2*8)^2 so you would need 15 other complete transmitters to achieve the same power output :) now for the other things I don't know if 525nm is or isn't a bad choice in term of air atenuation, and you also don't give the response time of your led. Clock, I hope I didn't said to much stupid things. Nico D.