From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 1 17:05:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 1 17:08:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vzdalenost mezi (RX+TX) a interface In-Reply-To: <000b01c3d07e$3316ba10$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA>; from dj_boy@seznam.cz on Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 04:44:20PM +0100 References: <000b01c3d07e$3316ba10$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Message-ID: <20040101180518.A801@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 04:44:20PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > Cau lidi, je nejaky delkovy omezeni mezi RX + TX a interfacem ? Vim ze vzdalenost interface <-> sitovka by nemela byt delsi nez 1 m, ale jak muzou byt dlouhe kabely k interface. http://ronja.twibright.com/cabling/material.php 30 (audio stinenej 3mm kablik),50,100,100(RG-58 ethernetovej obyc koaxial) metru v zavislosti na typu kabelu Uznavam ze by to melo bejt napsany ve hlavni specifikaci, az si na to najdu cas, dopisu to tam, dal jsem si to do TODO listu. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 1 17:21:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 1 17:24:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ceramic capacitors: 50V Message-ID: <20040101182133.A847@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have changed Capacitors (ceramic or mica) into Capacitors (ceramic, 50V) because default ceramic capacitors seem to be for 500V and are more expensive than 50V. Cl< From dj_boy at seznam.cz Thu Jan 1 17:27:19 2004 From: dj_boy at seznam.cz (DJ_BOY) Date: Thu Jan 1 17:30:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vzdalenost mezi (RX+TX) a interface References: <000b01c3d07e$3316ba10$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> <20040101180518.A801@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001401c3d08c$834baf00$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Cau Clocku, ten 3mm kablik by nesel na tech 50m ? Kolik tak ten kablik stoji ? Dekuji za odpoved. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vzdalenost mezi (RX+TX) a interface > On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 04:44:20PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > > Cau lidi, je nejaky delkovy omezeni mezi RX + TX a interfacem ? Vim ze vzdalenost interface <-> sitovka by nemela byt delsi nez 1 m, ale jak muzou byt dlouhe kabely k interface. > > http://ronja.twibright.com/cabling/material.php > 30 (audio stinenej 3mm kablik),50,100,100(RG-58 ethernetovej obyc koaxial) > metru v zavislosti na typu kabelu > > Uznavam ze by to melo bejt napsany ve hlavni specifikaci, az si na to najdu > cas, dopisu to tam, dal jsem si to do TODO listu. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 1 17:31:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 1 17:34:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vzdalenost mezi (RX+TX) a interface In-Reply-To: <001401c3d08c$834baf00$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA>; from dj_boy@seznam.cz on Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 06:27:19PM +0100 References: <000b01c3d07e$3316ba10$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> <20040101180518.A801@beton.cybernet.src> <001401c3d08c$834baf00$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Message-ID: <20040101183155.A1091@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 06:27:19PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > Cau Clocku, ten 3mm kablik by nesel na tech 50m ? Kolik tak ten kablik stoji > ? Je to tam napsany -jde to s 3mm koaxialem treba Belden, kolik to stoji nevim. Cl< > > Dekuji za odpoved. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vzdalenost mezi (RX+TX) a interface > > > > On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 04:44:20PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > > > Cau lidi, je nejaky delkovy omezeni mezi RX + TX a interfacem ? Vim ze > vzdalenost interface <-> sitovka by nemela byt delsi nez 1 m, ale jak muzou > byt dlouhe kabely k interface. > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/cabling/material.php > > 30 (audio stinenej 3mm kablik),50,100,100(RG-58 ethernetovej obyc koaxial) > > metru v zavislosti na typu kabelu > > > > Uznavam ze by to melo bejt napsany ve hlavni specifikaci, az si na to > najdu > > cas, dopisu to tam, dal jsem si to do TODO listu. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 1 17:44:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 1 17:47:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BC547 pinouts Message-ID: <20040101184431.A1242@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have added BC547 pinouts into RX, TX and AUI schematics. Cl< From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Jan 1 19:34:25 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigi) Date: Thu Jan 1 19:36:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja AUI Interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi to all ! Ive tried to bring two TP-Ronjas into operation, but i wasnt working. So i am trying now to do it via the AUI Interface, like in the "original" Ronja. I have now two (ISA) 3c509 (with 1 BNC and 1 AUI; no TP) and i want to test it in Win98. (Later i?ll use Linux, but my PC for Working has Win98; so it?s easier for me.) But when i installed the NICs, i recognized, that there are not much parameters in the settings for the card. E.g. No setting for Full/Half-Duplex, no setting which interface to use. Does anyone operate Ronja with these kind of NIC ?!? Which one offers me more possibilities ?? Greetings, Sigi From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 2 17:51:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jan 2 17:51:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface In-Reply-To: <001d01c3d14b$5816d6b0$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA>; from dj_boy@seznam.cz on Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 05:12:36PM +0100 References: <001d01c3d14b$5816d6b0$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Message-ID: <20040102185127.B1140@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 05:12:36PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > Cau Clocku, jak je na tom vyvoj TP interface pro Ronju ? Jake stare sitovky > na to mame shanet ? Zda se ze dobra sitovka je rtl8139 (a 3c900 taky). Cl< From honza at hoidekr.net Fri Jan 2 17:52:15 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (honza@hoidekr.net) Date: Fri Jan 2 17:52:50 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Zkusenosti=A0s=A0Ronjou=A0a=A0problem=A0s?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=A0Win?= In-Reply-To: <200312301219.49021.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <1124.194.228.76.1.1072739889.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz><200312300736.18006.zapadlo@melzer.cz><20031230093636.A14704@beton.cybernet.src> <200312301219.49021.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <1076.194.228.76.189.1073065935.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> > >> 2) Nastaveni pro provoz se udela ze a) se nastavi DOSovou utilitkou >> TP full duplex b) se ve Windows ovladac prepne na AUI >> > > > Ano, ale i presto to neni uplne ok. Jak jiz tady psal Honza, rychlosti > linuxu > se to nevyrovna, ale proc jsem uz nezjistoval. Dnes jsem testoval spokeni linux s WinXP, kde je nastavena sitovka, jak jsem popisoval. Prenosova rychlost me vede k domnence, ze Windows se chovaji ke karte jako by byla half duplex, ale diky tomu, ze na karte je nastaveno full duplex, nedochazi k zadnym kolizim a prenos je plynuly. Linka jede priblizne jako half duplex. Prenasel jsem soubor pras SAMBU - jednim smerem 750kbps a pokud jsem spustil prenos obema smery soucasne, poklesla rychlost priblizne na polovinu. Soucel byl cca 750 kbps. Muzete nekdo mi to nekdo potvrdit? K metode RYSa - vyletovat eeprom : dost neprakticky pro laiky, ktery chteji spojit pocitace ... Nejradsi bych videl radne fungujici ovladac do Win. Zdary Honza > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc?? odd??len?? syst??mov?? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln?? 71, 796 01 Prost??jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kneza at poupe.net Fri Jan 2 18:05:30 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:03:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface In-Reply-To: <20040102185127.B1140@beton.cybernet.src> References: <001d01c3d14b$5816d6b0$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> <20040102185127.B1140@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <3FF5B2EA.8090007@poupe.net> 8139? takze 100kova? takze jde bez problemu prepnout do 10ky? nebo to zvladne sama? Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 05:12:36PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > >>Cau Clocku, jak je na tom vyvoj TP interface pro Ronju ? Jake stare sitovky >>na to mame shanet ? > > > Zda se ze dobra sitovka je rtl8139 (a 3c900 taky). > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 2 18:29:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:29:42 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=A0=5BRonja=5D=A0Zkusenosti=A0s=A0Ronjou=A0a=A0problem=A0?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?s=A0Win?= In-Reply-To: <1076.194.228.76.189.1073065935.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz>; from honza@hoidekr.net on Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 06:52:15PM +0100 References: <1124.194.228.76.1.1072739889.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz><200312300736.18006.zapadlo@melzer.cz><20031230093636.A14704@beton.cybernet.src> <200312301219.49021.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <1076.194.228.76.189.1073065935.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Message-ID: <20040102192935.C1140@beton.cybernet.src> > nedochazi k zadnym kolizim a prenos je plynuly. > > Linka jede priblizne jako half duplex. > Prenasel jsem soubor pras SAMBU - jednim smerem 750kbps a pokud jsem > spustil prenos obema smery soucasne, poklesla rychlost priblizne na > polovinu. Soucel byl cca 750 kbps. 750kbps je limit prenosove rychlosti typicky pro sbernici ISA. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 2 18:40:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:40:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface In-Reply-To: <3FF5B2EA.8090007@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 07:05:30PM +0100 References: <001d01c3d14b$5816d6b0$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> <20040102185127.B1140@beton.cybernet.src> <3FF5B2EA.8090007@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040102194007.D1140@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 07:05:30PM +0100, Michal Knezourek wrote: > 8139? takze 100kova? takze jde bez problemu prepnout do 10ky? nebo to > zvladne sama? Momentalne jsem pripojenej pres TP Ronju pres tuhle sitovku (10/100 levna sitovka z obchodu) a jsem s ni velmi spokojen: /proc/pci: Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 16). dmesg: eth2: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xe0802000, 00:50:fc:a1:44:81, IRQ 11 eth2: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D' clock@beton:~$ mii-diag -v eth2 mii-diag.c:v2.07 11/15/2002 Donald Becker (becker@scyld.com) http://www.scyld.com/diag/index.html Using the old SIOCGMIIPHY value on PHY 32 (BMCR 0x0100). Basic mode control register 0x0100: Auto-negotiation disabled, with Speed fixed at 10 mbps, full-duplex. You have link beat, and everything is working OK. This transceiver is capable of 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx 10baseT-FD 10baseT. Able to perform Auto-negotiation, negotiation not complete. Link partner information is not exchanged when in fixed speed mode. End of basic transceiver information. MII PHY #32 transceiver registers: 0100 780d 0000 0000 01e1 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 clock@beton:~$ mii-tool -v eth2 eth2: 10 Mbit, full duplex, link ok product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0 basic mode: 10 Mbit, full duplex basic status: link ok capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD Sitovku jsem do rezimu 10Mbps full duplex manualne nastavil kdysi tusim prikazem mii-tool "mii-tool -F 10baseT-FD eth2" ale jak se koukam do /etc/rc.d/init.d/network i lilo.conf, ani v jednom to neni, takze tohle nastaveni nutne musi prezivat reboot a bejt zapsany v eepromce na ty karte. clock@beton:~$ ifconfig eth2 eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:FC:A1:44:81 inet addr:192.168.3.2 Bcast:192.168.3.2 Mask:255.255.255.255 inet6 addr: fe80::250:fcff:fea1:4481/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:352744 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:444419 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:195168376 (186.1 Mb) TX bytes:60635892 (57.8 Mb) Interrupt:11 Base address:0x2000 Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Jan 2 23:56:03 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Jan 2 23:58:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win References: <11376006050.20031230193509@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <008401c3d18b$fcbfe680$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Exolon" To: "ronja-request@lists.pointless.net" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:35 PM Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win > > rrlpn> Ja na to sel jinak. > rrlpn> V DOS konfiguratoru 3c50x / 3c90x jsem nastavil full duplex a ulozil do > rrlpn> eeprom (93c46). > rrlpn> Pote jsem eeprom vyletoval a zmenil na 4 adresach hex z TP na AUI, pote opet > rrlpn> eeprom naletoval. > rrlpn> Ve Win jsem nastavil hardware default a Win si nacetl konfig udaje z eeprom > rrlpn> a bylo.... > rrlpn> 1200MB/s zadnej problem. > > rrlpn> -=RYS=- > > No, ja myslim ze taketo hardcore postupy ako vyletovavat eeprom hadam > nieje treba. Ja som postupoval dost podobne ako tu uz bolo naznacene, > ale pokusim sa to tu teraz trochu podrobnejsie popisat. Predpokladom > je samozrejme mat nainstalovany linux (v mojom pripade Debian 3.0), No prave... Linux nemam (mam W98se) a Linux ani neumim. Mame jen firemni router (RH6.2) a na ten nesaham. To je pro me jednodussi letovani. > utilitku na nastavovanie sietovky zo stranok 3Comu a v linuxe este > nainstalovany balik nictools_nopci. Experimenty som robil so > sietovkami 3C905B (neviem co mate presne na mysli tymi rev. karty,na > mojej som mal napisane 3C905B-C a dole pod tym REV-A - takze asi to > bude rev. A ze? to C bude nieco ine) rok vyr. 1994 a 1995. Revize se ti ukaze v DOS konfiguratoru. > > Takze postupoval som nasledovne: > (1) - nabootoval dos a nastavil kartu na TP, Full Duplex enabled > (2) - nabootoval linux a pomocou utilitky el3diag z balika si nechal > vypisat obsah eeprom tej karty, dostal som cosi taketo (popisem tu > hned aj vyznam niektorych words ktory som celym tymto postupom > zistil): > > MT - interface type - typ int. (BNC/AUI/TP) TP: 0010 > AUI: 4010 > FD - fullduplex (enabled/disabled) enabled: 9310 > disabled: 1310 > CS - checksum - kontrolny sucet - zalezi na predchdzajucich datach > > 0020 AFB7 27DC 9450 BE7A 0041 4841 6D50 0010 A000 0020 AFB7 27DC 9310 > -IT- -FD- > 0000 7533 > -CS- > > (3) - opat nabootovanie do dosu a zmena na TP, Full Duplex disabled > (4) - nabootovanie linuxu a vypis pomocou el3diag > > 0020 AFB7 27DC 9450 BE7A 0041 4841 6D50 0010 A000 0020 AFB7 27DC 1310 > -IT- -FD- > 0000 75B3 > -CS- > > ako vidiet zmenili sa 2 wordy, to ze posledy bude nejaky checksum sa > da predpokladat, a kedze sa zmenily 2 wordy ten druhy bude tym padom > zap/vyp fullduplexu > > (5) - zasa nabootovanie do dosu a nastavenie na AUI, Full Duplex > disabled (kedze enabled to nepovoli) > (6) - boot do linuxu, el3diag > > 0020 AFB7 27DC 9450 BE7A 0041 4841 6D50 4010 A000 0020 AFB7 27DC 1310 > -IT- -FD- > 0000 75F3 > -CS- > > ako vidiet -FD- sa nezmenil oproti (4) takze tym som ho identifikoval > a zmenil sa este -IT- takze teraz viem ako a kde sa nastvuje > AUI/TP/BNC a samozrejme posledny, ktory sa menil stale je checksum -CS- > > (7) - takze teraz vyvstava otazka ako nastavit AUI a FD enabled, > nabootujeme preto znovu dos a nastavime kartu na TP, FD enabled > (8) - nabootujeme linux a tentokrat pomocou utilitky 3c5x9setup > zmenime interface type na AUI takto (nemusi to byt skusal som to uz > davnejsie, takze si presne nepametam): > > # 3c6x9setup eth0 --new-interface AUI > > a vypisal som si potomto obsah eeprom s el3diag > > 0020 AFB7 27DC 9450 BE7A 0041 4841 6D50 4010 A000 0020 AFB7 27DC 9310 > -IT- -FD- > 0000 cosi > -CS- > > a co nevidim, jedine co sa zmenilo bol word urcujuci interface type na > AUI, samozrejme checksum a FD zostalo enabled, takze zaver je ze > utilitka 3c5x9setup meni naozaj iba word urcujuci interface type a nie > aj word urcujuci FD en/dis tak ako to robi dosova utilita od 3Comu > > tymto postupom som teda dosiahol prepnutie karty na AUI, FD enabled, > bohuzial v testoch sa vsak potom spravala len ako AUI, FD disabled -> > asi som nemal tu spravnu reviziu :-( - mas pravdu, zalezi na revizi CPU sitovky a ROM sitovky (ne EPROM 27c256/512 co je na boot)...pokazde je CRC/pozice FD-AUI jinde. - problem proc ti ukazuje FD a pri testu je jako HD je ten, ze v EEPROM zustalo pouze to co se nastavilo v eeprom v DOS konfigu zkousel jsem u znameho co ma Linux.... i kdyz ti to ukaze, ze je v EEPROM ulozeno neco noveho....tak neni ale pri testu taky vysla zajimava vec, pri vypinani (restart) compu (po tehle soft uprave v Linuxu) se to vyhodi z RAM a nastavi se to co je v EEPROM, takze jsme dosli k vysledku, ze danej soft v Linuxu jen emuluje EEPROM v RAM do doby nez se resetuje - chce to opravdu normalni (DOS/Win/Linux) soft s kterym se ulozi obsah EEPROM do souboru neco.bin a obracene z neco.bin aby to FYZICKY zapsalo do EEPROM. PF 2004 ... -=RYS=- > > PF 2004 <- peregrin > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Jan 3 00:04:35 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Jan 3 00:06:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win References: <1124.194.228.76.1.1072739889.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <002a01c3cec7$c5ea8280$0101a8c0@cz> <20031230221339.C501@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <009501c3d18d$2c3b8d00$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win > On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 12:26:30PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Ja na to sel jinak. > > V DOS konfiguratoru 3c50x / 3c90x jsem nastavil full duplex a ulozil do > > eeprom (93c46). > > Pote jsem eeprom vyletoval a zmenil na 4 adresach hex z TP na AUI, pote opet > > Jaky to byly adresy a co jsi tam dal? 3c900B-TPO http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/3C90x_sitovka A takhle vypadala starsi 3c900TPO : http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/3c900tpo.png Jestli se dobre pamatuji, tak cervena je MAC, zelena 10Mbps, modra full duplex a fialova CRC. Martin > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From dj_boy at seznam.cz Sat Jan 3 11:46:34 2004 From: dj_boy at seznam.cz (DJ_BOY) Date: Sat Jan 3 11:46:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface References: <001d01c3d14b$5816d6b0$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> <20040102185127.B1140@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001801c3d1ef$41d9af40$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Bude u TP interface stale platit omezeni jako u AUI, ze kabel od interface k PC muze met maximalne 1m ? Diky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP interface > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 05:12:36PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > > Cau Clocku, jak je na tom vyvoj TP interface pro Ronju ? Jake stare sitovky > > na to mame shanet ? > > Zda se ze dobra sitovka je rtl8139 (a 3c900 taky). > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Sat Jan 3 13:54:11 2004 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Sat Jan 3 13:54:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win References: <11376006050.20031230193509@seznam.cz> <008401c3d18b$fcbfe680$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <002a01c3d201$16fe4a30$1d18980a@ova.czf> > > No, ja myslim ze taketo hardcore postupy ako vyletovavat eeprom hadam > > nieje treba. Ja som postupoval dost podobne ako tu uz bolo naznacene, > > ale pokusim sa to tu teraz trochu podrobnejsie popisat. Predpokladom > > je samozrejme mat nainstalovany linux (v mojom pripade Debian 3.0), > > No prave... Linux nemam (mam W98se) a Linux ani neumim. > Mame jen firemni router (RH6.2) a na ten nesaham. > To je pro me jednodussi letovani. Treba by se dala vytvorit floppy/CD minidistribuce ktera by obsahovala drivery na sitovky, utility na diagnostiku a testovani rychlosti (ethtool, ronjaping, atd.) pro testovani Ronjy. Perhaps someone could create a floppy/CD minidistribution which would contain NIC drivers, utilities for diagnostic and link quality and speed testing (ethtool, ronjaping etc.) for testing Ronja, S pozdravy, Martin Stachon martin.stachon (at) tiscali.cz http://www.webpark.cz/stachon From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Jan 3 15:01:41 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Jan 3 15:03:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win References: <11376006050.20031230193509@seznam.cz> <008401c3d18b$fcbfe680$0101a8c0@cz> <002a01c3d201$16fe4a30$1d18980a@ova.czf> Message-ID: <000801c3d20a$7f1822e0$0101a8c0@cz> To neni spatny napad. Ale chtelo by to komplexne....DOS, Win, Linux ... ne kazdy ma Linux a dokonce ne kazdy ma Win. Treba u rodicu mi bezi DOS router !!! (Flexnet 3.3h) Coz je router pro lamy jako jsem ja ;) Pro aktivaci sitovky pouziji DOS konfigurator a packetdriver pro DOS. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Stachon" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win > > > > No, ja myslim ze taketo hardcore postupy ako vyletovavat eeprom hadam > > > nieje treba. Ja som postupoval dost podobne ako tu uz bolo naznacene, > > > ale pokusim sa to tu teraz trochu podrobnejsie popisat. Predpokladom > > > je samozrejme mat nainstalovany linux (v mojom pripade Debian 3.0), > > > > No prave... Linux nemam (mam W98se) a Linux ani neumim. > > Mame jen firemni router (RH6.2) a na ten nesaham. > > To je pro me jednodussi letovani. > > Treba by se dala vytvorit floppy/CD minidistribuce ktera by obsahovala > drivery na sitovky, utility na diagnostiku a testovani rychlosti (ethtool, > ronjaping, atd.) pro testovani Ronjy. > > Perhaps someone could create a floppy/CD minidistribution which would contain > NIC drivers, utilities for diagnostic and link quality and speed testing (ethtool, > ronjaping etc.) for testing Ronja, > > S pozdravy, > Martin Stachon > > martin.stachon (at) tiscali.cz > http://www.webpark.cz/stachon > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 3 15:19:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jan 3 15:19:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] HC, HCT gate manufacturers Message-ID: <20040103161918.A17314@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Don't you know who all manufactures HC, HCT gates? And their webpages, if possible? Thanks. Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Jan 3 19:13:32 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Jan 3 19:13:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface References: <001d01c3d14b$5816d6b0$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA><20040102185127.B1140@beton.cybernet.src> <001801c3d1ef$41d9af40$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Message-ID: <005801c3d22d$ade91200$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> u TP je omezen? 105 m :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ_BOY" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP interface > Bude u TP interface stale platit omezeni jako u AUI, ze kabel od interface k > PC muze met maximalne 1m ? > > Diky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP interface > > > > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 05:12:36PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > > > Cau Clocku, jak je na tom vyvoj TP interface pro Ronju ? Jake stare > sitovky > > > na to mame shanet ? > > > > Zda se ze dobra sitovka je rtl8139 (a 3c900 taky). > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From dj_boy at seznam.cz Sat Jan 3 19:18:27 2004 From: dj_boy at seznam.cz (DJ_BOY) Date: Sat Jan 3 19:18:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface References: <001d01c3d14b$5816d6b0$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA><20040102185127.B1140@beton.cybernet.src><001801c3d1ef$41d9af40$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> <005801c3d22d$ade91200$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <000701c3d22e$5e96b710$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> No prave nevim jak to bude u Ronji, jinak by samozrejme bylo lepsi tahat jeden kabel utp nez 2 koaxy :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP interface u TP je omezen? 105 m :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ_BOY" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP interface > Bude u TP interface stale platit omezeni jako u AUI, ze kabel od interface k > PC muze met maximalne 1m ? > > Diky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP interface > > > > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 05:12:36PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > > > Cau Clocku, jak je na tom vyvoj TP interface pro Ronju ? Jake stare > sitovky > > > na to mame shanet ? > > > > Zda se ze dobra sitovka je rtl8139 (a 3c900 taky). > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun Jan 4 00:01:31 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun Jan 4 00:01:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface References: <001d01c3d14b$5816d6b0$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA><20040102185127.B1140@beton.cybernet.src><001801c3d1ef$41d9af40$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA><005801c3d22d$ade91200$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <000701c3d22e$5e96b710$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Message-ID: <001001c3d255$e909e9e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> kdyz to nebude 105 metru, tak to nebude TP :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ_BOY" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP interface > No prave nevim jak to bude u Ronji, jinak by samozrejme bylo lepsi tahat > jeden kabel utp nez 2 koaxy :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cipis" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP interface > > > u TP je omezen? 105 m :-) > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJ_BOY" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP interface > > > > Bude u TP interface stale platit omezeni jako u AUI, ze kabel od interface > k > > PC muze met maximalne 1m ? > > > > Diky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP interface > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 05:12:36PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > > > > Cau Clocku, jak je na tom vyvoj TP interface pro Ronju ? Jake stare > > sitovky > > > > na to mame shanet ? > > > > > > Zda se ze dobra sitovka je rtl8139 (a 3c900 taky). > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Jan 4 10:24:11 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Jan 4 13:13:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] GPL -> OHGPL? In-Reply-To: <20031229190712.A32264@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031229190712.A32264@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <47795695.20040104112411@volny.cz> Muzes to prosim nejak blize popsat? Co z toho vyplyva? Can you more describe? OndraT KK> Hello KK> I am considering changing Ronja's license from GPL to OHGPL. KK> Any comments, suggestions? KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Jan 4 10:25:41 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Jan 4 13:13:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky :( In-Reply-To: <20031227094743.M8632@frslabs.org> References: <20031227094743.M8632@frslabs.org> Message-ID: <90885106.20040104112541@volny.cz> V tydnu pred Vanocemi meli v GM na Florenci BF988 po 13Kc a rikali, ze jich maji 30ks. BF960 maji taky, ale asi za 80Kc, v GESu maji BF960 za 60Kc. OndraT w> Ahoj nevite,kde v Praze sehnat ten Tranzistor BF908(nebo jeho ekvivalenty) a w> jednu z tech prijmacich diod ?GES i GM nemaj ani jedno.Pripadne pokud se w> nekomu v Praze vali doma nejaka volna suplikova zasoba tak rad odkoupim i s w> priplatkem :). w> Martin -=[FrS]=-Labs Havlicek w> _______________________________________________ w> Ronja mailing list w> Ronja@lists.pointless.net w> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Sun Jan 4 13:33:56 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Sun Jan 4 13:31:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX/TX Boards Message-ID: <3FF81644.5010308@poupe.net> Ahoj, je tu nekdo kdo uspesne provozuje ronju na tx/rx tistacich? zajimalo by mne kolik verzi nekomu uspesne funguje a na jakou vzdalenost. Hi, is here anybody using ronja with tx/rx boards? what kind of board are you using and how long is your link? Kneza -- S pozdravem Michal Knezourek POUPE.NET Administrator From hollari1 at gmx.at Sun Jan 4 13:36:11 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigi) Date: Sun Jan 4 13:35:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja AUI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, everyone ! I have done now my first successful Ronja tests (with the "original" AUI-Ronja). I have to say, the performence is not bad, but i think, there is still something wrong. I have in one direction approx. 200kBytes/s; in the other about 500kBytes/s. I have read in this thread about such problems already; it seems to be a wrong setting in half or full duplex. But i can not set on my network cards if they should operate half or full duplex. So what can i do ?!? On which NIC can i set, or at least check that ?!? Greetings, Sigi From clock at twibright.com Sun Jan 4 13:39:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jan 4 13:39:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja AUI In-Reply-To: ; from hollari1@gmx.at on Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 02:36:11PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20040104143950.A230@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 02:36:11PM +0100, Sigi wrote: > > Hi, everyone ! > > I have done now my first successful Ronja tests > (with the "original" AUI-Ronja). > I have to say, the performence is not bad, > but i think, there is still something wrong. > > I have in one direction approx. 200kBytes/s; > in the other about 500kBytes/s. What is the packetloss? > I have read in this thread about such problems > already; it seems to be a wrong setting in > half or full duplex. > > But i can not set on my network cards if they > should operate half or full duplex. What type of cards do you have? From electropt at hotmail.com Sun Jan 4 15:03:48 2004 From: electropt at hotmail.com (Electro PT) Date: Sun Jan 4 15:04:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] HC, HCT gate manufacturers References: <20040103161918.A17314@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Hi, Almost every IC manufacturer has the HC and HCT IC family (ok, maxim and some other major IC manufacturers dont have them...). You can look for them at TI, Motorola, Philips, Fairchild, etc... I recomend you take a look at the ALVC and VCX families (very fast 74HC00 and 74HC132) and the LCX family (not so fast 74HC00, 04, 14 and 74 but stil faster then normal stock ones) from Fairchild. And use the sample progam they have, its just great ICs and service. I hope this is of any help. Regards, Electro Pt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: [Ronja] HC, HCT gate manufacturers > Hello > > Don't you know who all manufactures HC, HCT gates? And their webpages, > if possible? Thanks. > > Cl< > > > From webmaster at frslabs.org Sun Jan 4 18:42:20 2004 From: webmaster at frslabs.org (webmaster) Date: Sun Jan 4 18:42:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky :( In-Reply-To: <90885106.20040104112541@volny.cz> References: <20031227094743.M8632@frslabs.org> <90885106.20040104112541@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040104184109.M22703@frslabs.org> To je divny,ja sem jich na to ptal a kroutili hlavama na obouch mistech... tak sem si ho este s kopou ostatnich soucastek objednal :). On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:25:41 +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote > V tydnu pred Vanocemi meli v GM na Florenci BF988 po 13Kc a rikali, > ze jich maji 30ks. BF960 maji taky, ale asi za 80Kc, v GESu maji > BF960 za 60Kc. > > OndraT > > w> Ahoj nevite,kde v Praze sehnat ten Tranzistor BF908(nebo jeho > ekvivalenty) a w> jednu z tech prijmacich diod ?GES i GM nemaj ani > jedno.Pripadne pokud se w> nekomu v Praze vali doma nejaka volna > suplikova zasoba tak rad odkoupim i s w> priplatkem :). > > w> Martin -=[FrS]=-Labs Havlicek > > w> _______________________________________________ > w> Ronja mailing list > w> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > w> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Martin -=[FrS]=-Labs Havlicek -=[Altis.cz prznitel]=- From honza at hoidekr.net Mon Jan 5 06:13:23 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (honza@hoidekr.net) Date: Mon Jan 5 06:14:01 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0=A0[Ronja]=A0Zkusenosti=A0s=A0Ronjou=A0a=A0problem?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=A0s=A0Win?= In-Reply-To: <20040102192935.C1140@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1124.194.228.76.1.1072739889.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz><200312300736.18006.zapadlo@melzer.cz><20031230093636.A14704@beton.cybernet.src><200312301219.49021.zapadlo@melzer.cz><1076.194.228.76.189.1073065935.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <20040102192935.C1140@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <32860.195.113.160.10.1073283203.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Na obou stranach je 3c90x (presny typ nevim) v PCI. Testoval jsem i spojeni linux-linux a ftp jelo pres 1MB/s v obou smerech soucasne. Spojeni Win-Win je jeste horsi nez Win-linux, odhadem asi o polovinu, takze na hranici pouzitelnosti. Nezkousel jste to take nekdo? Honza > > > 750kbps je limit prenosove rychlosti typicky pro sbernici ISA. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From marble at matfyz.cz Mon Jan 5 10:46:39 2004 From: marble at matfyz.cz (Martin Beranek) Date: Mon Jan 5 10:46:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky :( In-Reply-To: <20031227094743.M8632@frslabs.org> References: <20031227094743.M8632@frslabs.org> Message-ID: <20040105104639.GA26524@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Ahoj nevite,kde v Praze sehnat ten Tranzistor BF908(nebo jeho ekvivalenty) a Ten BF (nevim jestli presne 908 nebo nejaky ekvivalent) jsme sehnal v Compu ve Vaclavske pasazi na Karlaku. Marble From webmaster at frslabs.org Mon Jan 5 11:10:13 2004 From: webmaster at frslabs.org (webmaster) Date: Mon Jan 5 11:10:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky :( In-Reply-To: <20040105104639.GA26524@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20031227094743.M8632@frslabs.org> <20040105104639.GA26524@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040105110947.M15676@frslabs.org> Ok razim tam:) On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:46:39 +0100, Martin Beranek wrote > > Ahoj nevite,kde v Praze sehnat ten Tranzistor BF908(nebo jeho ekvivalenty) a > Ten BF (nevim jestli presne 908 nebo nejaky ekvivalent) jsme sehnal v > Compu ve Vaclavske pasazi na Karlaku. > > Marble > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Martin -=[FrS]=-Labs Havlicek -=[Altis.cz prznitel]=- From cbedison at centrum.cz Mon Jan 5 11:48:58 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Mon Jan 5 12:58:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky :( Message-ID: <20040105114909Z119426-14456+621925@mail.centrum.cz> zdravim, ten VF tranzistor by mohli mit i v prodejne EPA elektronika Lidicka ulice na Andelu (je to sice Tesla KF907, ale mne funguje v Ronje dobre), nebo v RaC Vonka na Dobrisi. -------------------- SkodaOctavia nyni se zvyhodnenim az 90.000,- Kc! http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.skoda-auto.cz/action/fast From hollari1 at gmx.at Mon Jan 5 17:41:20 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigi) Date: Mon Jan 5 17:41:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hi, Clock ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have two 3c509 (ISA) with 1xBNC and 1xAUI each. The strange thing is, that 1 card i can set to Plug&Play, the other one i can?t. But the cards look mechanically exactly the same. -> Strange, isn t it ?!? The other thing is that i needed the 3COM Tools (For DOS) to set the cards to use tha AUI Port !!! So i would like to have some better card, that i can set to operate in Fullduplex. Packetloss : I was only Pinging from one Win98 PC to the other. I can not tell you 100%, but i think, i didnt have lost packets. Greetings, Sigi On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 02:36:11PM +0100, Sigi wrote: > Hi, everyone ! > I have done now my first successful Ronja tests > (with the "original" AUI-Ronja). > I have to say, the performence is not bad, > but i think, there is still something wrong. > I have in one direction approx. 200kBytes/s; > in the other about 500kBytes/s. What is the packetloss? > I have read in this thread about such problems > already; it seems to be a wrong setting in > half or full duplex. > But i can not set on my network cards if they > should operate half or full duplex. What type of cards do you have? From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 8 07:18:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 8 07:18:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] XTAL oscillator help wanted Message-ID: <20040108081826.A250@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Is here anyone who can help with crystal oscillator design? I have been playing with circuit analysis for a week, trying to design a crystal oscillator and have run into serious troubles. I am trying to design a reliable XTAL oscillator for Ronja that could be theoretically proven to * Always run in the range of -40...+85 degC, never halt * Never skips between a fundamental, overtone, antiresonance or spurious resonance * Never run on any overtone or spurious resonance A skip between frequencies or running at different frequencies would have probably catastrophic consequences for Ronja reliability and thus have to be provably avoided. Normal canned ready-made oscillators have specified range 0...70degC and thus are unusable. They are also substantially more expensive (100CZK) than a bare XTAL (15CZK). Found a "classical" 74HC04 circuit that when simulated in large signal (digital gate has 3.5pF input capacitance and 6ns group delay) and small-signal (gate consists of three voltage controlled current sources with 30mA/V forward transfer admittance and 35pF input capacitance and the whole gate lags the signal by 270deg) is capable of running at the fundamental resonance of the crystal resonator, however: Found these problems: a) Barkhausen critetion was satisfied also at the antiresonance. I managed to remove it reliably by placing 1pF between gate input and output. b) The small crystals are specified for power dissipation max. 0.1mW. Adjusted by a resistor to 70uW. Normal crystals have 1mW and are OK. c) There are strong Barkhausen criterion satisfactions at 3rd, 5th etc. overtone that I am unable to suppress them by any circuit manipulation - either I kill the fundamental too, or the system becomes very dull (oscillates far from the nominal frequency and the curves are not sharp, but very wide, phase and amplitude margins are also bad) d) There are said to be so called spurious resonances which occur usually in order of 10kHz or 100kHz above the wanted frequency. They are said to move with temperature differently that the main resonance and can collide with the main resonance. When this happens, the dissipation reportedly rises substantially and sometimes may reportedly even halt the oscillator. Example of spurious resonances is at http://www.melexis.com/relinfofiles/Crystal_Selection_rev002.pdf e) Behavior of the system from the point of view of chaotic (bifurcation, nonlinear) analysis is completely unknow to me. See "Experimental Evidence of Chaos in the Colpitts Oscillator", http://cwc.ucsd.edu/~gmaggio/publications/conferences/ecc5.pdf Thanks in advance for any help, Cl< From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Jan 8 14:52:20 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigi) Date: Thu Jan 8 14:52:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] XTAL oscillator help wanted (Karel Kulhav?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Clock ! Why do you need a XTAL for Ronja ? Is it for replacing the 1MHz (Idle)-Signal ? Or for the TP Interface Link Alive Pulses ? I think if you really need XTALs for operating in this temerature range, i think you have to use heating. I had a look into some datasheets of integrated Quarz-Oszillators. They always have a "storage-Teperature" of e.g. -55 degrees to something but an "operating-temperature" of zero dregrees to something. -> I think its not possible to make an oszillator that you want. Greetings, Sigi From shake at volny.cz Thu Jan 8 20:16:19 2004 From: shake at volny.cz (Bohdan Cech) Date: Thu Jan 8 20:16:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem s mini aui Message-ID: <3FFDBA93.5060004@volny.cz> Ahoj, mame problem s AUI, ktere jsme nacpali do mensi krabicky, jmenovite do stejne krabicky jako se pouziva na TX a RX. AUI se tvari jako ze funguje, ale pritom neprenese ani paket. Bylo k tomu pripojene ozkousene RX,TX a loopback testem ani tuk. Trochu divne to chyta signal, aspon signalizace zelene ledky neni tak zretelna, treba kdyz uplne zakryju vysilaci ledku tak zelena nesviti naplno, ale tak napul. Ted uz ke konkretnim namerenym hodnotam, ktere se jevi vsechny v poradku: Napajeni 11,47 P51 4,8 P52 0 P53 4,97 P54 4,26 P55 2,13 P56 9,67 P57 2,48 P58 2,05 P59 0 P60 2,48 P61 2,26 P62 4,98 P63 4,98 P64 0 P65 0 P66 4,32 Ty hodnoty me prisly vsechny v poradku. Kde by mohl byt problem? Je nejaku duvod pro to, aby AUI nefungovalo v mensi krabicce? Predem dik za odpovedi. Bohdan Cech From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 9 10:20:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jan 9 10:20:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem s mini aui In-Reply-To: <3FFDBA93.5060004@volny.cz>; from shake@volny.cz on Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 09:16:19PM +0100 References: <3FFDBA93.5060004@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040109112020.B19266@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 09:16:19PM +0100, Bohdan Cech wrote: > Ahoj, > > mame problem s AUI, ktere jsme nacpali do mensi krabicky, jmenovite do > stejne > krabicky jako se pouziva na TX a RX. > AUI se tvari jako ze funguje, ale pritom neprenese ani paket. Bylo k > tomu pripojene > ozkousene RX,TX a loopback testem ani tuk. Trochu divne to chyta signal, > aspon > signalizace zelene ledky neni tak zretelna, treba kdyz uplne zakryju > vysilaci ledku > tak zelena nesviti naplno, ale tak napul. > Ted uz ke konkretnim namerenym hodnotam, ktere se jevi vsechny v poradku: > Napajeni 11,47 > P51 4,8 > P52 0 > P53 4,97 > P54 4,26 > P55 2,13 > P56 9,67 > P57 2,48 > P58 2,05 > P59 0 > P60 2,48 > P61 2,26 > P62 4,98 > P63 4,98 > P64 0 > P65 0 > P66 4,32 > > Ty hodnoty me prisly vsechny v poradku. Kde by mohl byt problem? Nejakej kondenzator ma jinou hodnotu nebo je nekde prerusenej obvod nebo nejakej dratek vede jinam nez ma. Kontrolovali jste to? Cl< From shake at volny.cz Fri Jan 9 11:29:33 2004 From: shake at volny.cz (Bohdan Cech) Date: Fri Jan 9 11:29:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem s mini aui Message-ID: <3FFE909D.1050707@volny.cz> Ahoj, kontrolovali a asi zkontrolujeme znovu. Mohlo by byt odpalene nektere z tech HC? Jinak je tam jedna odchylka proti AUI, ktere nam funguje. Vsechny ty HC maji oba kondiky 100n a 1n na napajeni (pin14) proti zemi. V tom predchozim je ten 1n mezi nozkami pin14 a pin7 a pin7 jde na zem (jak je v navodu). Mohl by byt tohle ten problem? Dik a cau Bohdan Cech From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 9 12:47:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jan 9 12:47:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem s mini aui In-Reply-To: <3FFE909D.1050707@volny.cz>; from shake@volny.cz on Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:29:33PM +0100 References: <3FFE909D.1050707@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040109134716.C19417@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:29:33PM +0100, Bohdan Cech wrote: > Ahoj, > > kontrolovali a asi zkontrolujeme znovu. Mohlo by byt odpalene nektere z > tech HC? > Jinak je tam jedna odchylka proti AUI, ktere nam funguje. Vsechny ty HC > maji oba > kondiky 100n a 1n na napajeni (pin14) proti zemi. V tom predchozim je > ten 1n > mezi nozkami pin14 a pin7 a pin7 jde na zem (jak je v navodu). > Mohl by byt tohle ten problem? Ne, to je naprosto v poradku. Pak je jeste moznost ze se vam tam projevuje buga, ktera se nasla kdyz se navrhovalo TP, ale kterou jsem jeste oficialne neohlasil protoze vyrobit na ni patch je podstatne slozitejsi, nez se puvodne zdalo. Uz se na tom intenzivne pracuje asi 3 nedele. Nikomu se to zatim za ty 2 roky co je to venku neprojevilo, az ted Elitemu, ktery mi to nahlasil nekdy asi v pulce prace na tom patchi (uz je to skoro hotove ale jeste tam kousek zbyva a pak se to musi naletovat ozkouset a vydat). Jedna se o to, ze casovaci mechanismus selze kdyz kvuli tolerancim parametru soucastek ktere v tom mechanismu figuruji (1N4148, HC hradla, odpory a kondenzatory) vznikne prilis velka odchylka. Napriklad tam, kde to ma casovat 100ns (jeste lepe 150ns) to muze klesnout az na 75ns. Proto zkuste v casovacich elementech (kondenzator, dioda a odpor zapojene na vystup hradel, jsou v zapojeni celkem 4, dva pro prijimani a 2 pro vysilani) o neco (20-50%) zvetsit hodnotu odporu, pripadne pokud to s tim nebude chodit, tak ji zmensit u toho clenu co je na schematu uplne vlevo. Taky jestli mate merak frekvence tak zmerte, kolik z toho leze pri idle stavu, o kolik je to odchylene od 1MHz. Tam taky muzou bejt teoreticky dost velke odchylky. Uplne nejlepsi by bylo zapojit to na osciloskop a podivat se, jestli to ty pakety nejak nemrsi, ale nevim, jestli mate osciloskop k dispozici. Cl< > > Dik a cau > > Bohdan Cech > > > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From huncaga at alphanet.sk Sat Jan 10 18:51:26 2004 From: huncaga at alphanet.sk (Stefan Huncaga) Date: Sat Jan 10 18:53:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prevodnik dat Ethernet AUI Message-ID: <400049AE.6050807@alphanet.sk> Ahojte priatelia, Neviete nahodou o nejakom sikovnom a lacnom prevodniku dat medzi Ethernetom a ronjackym AUI ? Ide nam o to aby sme uz nemuseli zhanat dalsie stare sietove karty s AUI. Stefan From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Jan 9 07:55:39 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Jan 11 12:43:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem s mini aui In-Reply-To: <3FFDBA93.5060004@volny.cz> References: <3FFDBA93.5060004@volny.cz> Message-ID: <892110068.20040109085539@volny.cz> Predpokladam, ze to nemate na plosnaku. V tom pripad vas mohu jen ujistit o tom, ze AUI v te krabicce U-AH-102 bezne pouzivam taky (8ks?). Osobne nevidim duvod, proc by tato velikost krabicky mela vliv na funkcnoct. Ty hodnoty mi moc nerikaj.... Zjistete, jestli je chyba v Tx nebo Rx casti AUIcka. To zjistite tak, ze vezmete nejake 100% funkcni AUIcko a k nemu to vase. No a nastavite linku na halfduplex a jednim AUIckem budete vysilat a druhym prijimat. Pak to cele otocite. Propojujte to natvrdo, ne pres Rx, Tx. Az budete vedet, ve ktere casti je chyba, tak se ozvete. OndraT BC> Ahoj, BC> mame problem s AUI, ktere jsme nacpali do mensi krabicky, jmenovite do BC> stejne BC> krabicky jako se pouziva na TX a RX. BC> AUI se tvari jako ze funguje, ale pritom neprenese ani paket. Bylo k BC> tomu pripojene BC> ozkousene RX,TX a loopback testem ani tuk. Trochu divne to chyta signal, BC> aspon BC> signalizace zelene ledky neni tak zretelna, treba kdyz uplne zakryju BC> vysilaci ledku BC> tak zelena nesviti naplno, ale tak napul. BC> Ted uz ke konkretnim namerenym hodnotam, ktere se jevi vsechny v poradku: BC> Napajeni 11,47 BC> P51 4,8 BC> P52 0 BC> P53 4,97 BC> P54 4,26 BC> P55 2,13 BC> P56 9,67 BC> P57 2,48 BC> P58 2,05 BC> P59 0 BC> P60 2,48 BC> P61 2,26 BC> P62 4,98 BC> P63 4,98 BC> P64 0 BC> P65 0 BC> P66 4,32 BC> Ty hodnoty me prisly vsechny v poradku. Kde by mohl byt problem? BC> Je nejaku duvod pro to, aby AUI nefungovalo v mensi krabicce? BC> Predem dik za odpovedi. BC> Bohdan Cech BC> _______________________________________________ BC> Ronja mailing list BC> Ronja@lists.pointless.net BC> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Jan 11 12:50:48 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Jan 11 12:51:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem s mini aui In-Reply-To: <20040109134716.C19417@beton.cybernet.src> References: <3FFE909D.1050707@volny.cz> <20040109134716.C19417@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <879993032.20040111135048@volny.cz> Me to se obcas podari postavit takove AUIcko, ze pri strejnych soucastkach to jede na 1.6MHz :-( Ale ted mi 1 z 6ti AUIcek nejede (A pritom byly vsechny staveny najednou, ze stejnych soucastek)a na chybu nemohu prijit. Jak se projevuje ta co popisujes? Me blikaj LEDky uplne normalne (Rx,Tx) jako ze data lezou, ale pocitac je jakoby nepozna, nerozlisi nebo tak. Osciloskop mam, ale ani s nim jsem na to zatim neprisel. Poradis mi, kam se presne mam kouknout? Vzal jsem si i paralele funkcni AUI a meril paralelne funkcni a nefunkcni, ale taky jsem ni neobjevil. Diky Ondra KK> On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:29:33PM +0100, Bohdan Cech wrote: >> Ahoj, >> >> kontrolovali a asi zkontrolujeme znovu. Mohlo by byt odpalene nektere z >> tech HC? >> Jinak je tam jedna odchylka proti AUI, ktere nam funguje. Vsechny ty HC >> maji oba >> kondiky 100n a 1n na napajeni (pin14) proti zemi. V tom predchozim je >> ten 1n >> mezi nozkami pin14 a pin7 a pin7 jde na zem (jak je v navodu). >> Mohl by byt tohle ten problem? KK> Ne, to je naprosto v poradku. KK> Pak je jeste moznost ze se vam tam projevuje buga, ktera se nasla kdyz se KK> navrhovalo TP, ale kterou jsem jeste oficialne neohlasil protoze vyrobit KK> na ni patch je podstatne slozitejsi, nez se puvodne zdalo. Uz se na tom KK> intenzivne pracuje asi 3 nedele. KK> Nikomu se to zatim za ty 2 roky co je to venku neprojevilo, az ted Elitemu, KK> ktery mi to nahlasil nekdy asi v pulce prace na tom patchi (uz je to skoro KK> hotove ale jeste tam kousek zbyva a pak se to musi naletovat ozkouset a vydat). KK> Jedna se o to, ze casovaci mechanismus selze kdyz kvuli tolerancim KK> parametru soucastek ktere v tom mechanismu figuruji (1N4148, KK> HC hradla, odpory a kondenzatory) vznikne prilis velka odchylka. KK> Napriklad tam, kde to ma casovat 100ns (jeste lepe 150ns) to muze klesnout KK> az na 75ns. KK> Proto zkuste v casovacich elementech (kondenzator, dioda a odpor zapojene na KK> vystup hradel, jsou v zapojeni celkem 4, dva pro prijimani a 2 pro vysilani) o KK> neco (20-50%) zvetsit hodnotu odporu, pripadne pokud to s tim nebude chodit, KK> tak ji zmensit u toho clenu co je na schematu uplne vlevo. Taky jestli mate KK> merak frekvence tak zmerte, kolik z toho leze pri idle stavu, o kolik je to KK> odchylene od 1MHz. Tam taky muzou bejt teoreticky dost velke odchylky. KK> Uplne nejlepsi by bylo zapojit to na osciloskop a podivat se, jestli KK> to ty pakety nejak nemrsi, ale nevim, jestli mate osciloskop k dispozici. KK> Cl< >> >> Dik a cau >> >> Bohdan Cech >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Jan 11 14:38:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Jan 11 14:38:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem s mini aui In-Reply-To: <879993032.20040111135048@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 01:50:48PM +0100 References: <3FFE909D.1050707@volny.cz> <20040109134716.C19417@beton.cybernet.src> <879993032.20040111135048@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040111153852.A19658@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 01:50:48PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Me to se obcas podari postavit takove AUIcko, ze pri strejnych > soucastkach to jede na 1.6MHz :-( Kolik jsi jich postavil? Kolik z nich jelo na 1.6MHz? > > Ale ted mi 1 z 6ti AUIcek nejede (A pritom byly vsechny staveny > najednou, ze stejnych soucastek)a na chybu nemohu prijit. > Jak se projevuje ta co popisujes? > Me blikaj LEDky uplne normalne (Rx,Tx) jako ze data lezou, ale pocitac > je jakoby nepozna, nerozlisi nebo tak. > Osciloskop mam, ale ani s nim jsem na to zatim neprisel. Poradis mi, > kam se presne mam kouknout? Chyba je typicky v rozpoznavani paketu na prijmu - P51. Normalne tam ma bejt behem paketu jedna stabilni uroven a mimo paket druha stabilni uroven. Chyba se projevuje tak ze misto jedne z tech trvalych urovni je nejaky rychle se menici digitalni signal. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Jan 12 08:19:07 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Jan 12 08:20:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] XTAL oscillator help wanted In-Reply-To: <20040108081826.A250@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4002668B.8550.276E6B@localhost> On 8 Jan 2004 at 8:18, Karel Kulhav wrote: > Hello > > Is here anyone who can help with crystal oscillator design? I have been > playing with circuit analysis for a week, trying to design a crystal > oscillator and have run into serious troubles. > Please specify frequency range and purpose. There can be better solution with PLL circuits. (e.g. I used 4046 for generating idle signal&backward signal strength reporting) > Normal canned ready-made oscillators have specified range 0...70degC > and thus are unusable. They are also substantially more expensive (100CZK) > than a bare XTAL (15CZK). > The specified temperature range is where certain accuracy is defined (usually +- 10ppm). Below zero it works too, but accuracy can not be guaranted. I have tested 1MHz DIP14 metal case oscilator down to -20C a its works fine. Since December 2002 four of them are instaled in garrets where temperature varies from -15C to +40C and they are working without problems. Its case can be placed nearby heat souce - power regulator that will extend temp. range. > Found a "classical" 74HC04 circuit that when simulated in large signal > (digital gate has 3.5pF input capacitance and 6ns group delay) and small-signal > (gate consists of three voltage controlled current sources with 30mA/V > forward transfer admittance and 35pF input capacitance and the whole gate > lags the signal by 270deg) is capable of running at the fundamental resonance > of the crystal resonator, however: > Its almost impossible satisfy this requirements with 74HCxyz. Simple oscilators like this are used only in very low-end consumer electronics. Nobody can guarantee that it start oscilating under specified conditions. From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Jan 12 11:47:15 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Jan 12 11:49:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prevodnik dat Ethernet AUI References: <400049AE.6050807@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <002d01c3d901$d3972ac0$0101a8c0@cz> http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/auitp Umi to i FULL DUPLEX, ale je treba propajet jedno misto na DPS. Odzkouseno..chodi. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Huncaga" To: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [Ronja] Prevodnik dat Ethernet AUI > Ahojte priatelia, > Neviete nahodou o nejakom sikovnom a lacnom prevodniku dat medzi > Ethernetom a ronjackym AUI ? Ide nam o to aby sme uz nemuseli zhanat > dalsie stare sietove karty s AUI. Stefan > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Jan 12 14:39:38 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Jan 12 14:41:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AUI Halfdiplex Message-ID: <4002BFBA.22584.ADC56@localhost> Vazeni, myslite ze by melo cenu udelat AUI interface podporujici halfduplex? Proti puvodnimu by melo navic 2 IC a 10 dalsich soucastek. From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 12 20:20:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jan 12 20:20:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prevodnik dat Ethernet AUI In-Reply-To: <002d01c3d901$d3972ac0$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 12:47:15PM +0100 References: <400049AE.6050807@alphanet.sk> <002d01c3d901$d3972ac0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040112212048.A1842@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 12:47:15PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/auitp > > > Umi to i FULL DUPLEX, ale je treba propajet jedno misto na DPS. Ktery? Cl< > Odzkouseno..chodi. > > -=RYS=- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Huncaga" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 7:51 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Prevodnik dat Ethernet AUI > > > > Ahojte priatelia, > > Neviete nahodou o nejakom sikovnom a lacnom prevodniku dat medzi > > Ethernetom a ronjackym AUI ? Ide nam o to aby sme uz nemuseli zhanat > > dalsie stare sietove karty s AUI. Stefan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 12 20:52:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jan 12 20:52:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem s mini aui In-Reply-To: <02909142.20040112212057@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:20:57PM +0100 References: <3FFE909D.1050707@volny.cz> <20040109134716.C19417@beton.cybernet.src> <879993032.20040111135048@volny.cz> <20040111153852.A19658@beton.cybernet.src> <02909142.20040112212057@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040112215204.B2207@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:20:57PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > KK> Kolik jsi jich postavil? Kolik z nich jelo na 1.6MHz? > > Postavil jsem jich IMHO dost :-) (12ks), ale par jich uz nemam doma. > Ted jich mam doma 6ks. 4x hnizdo (1-nefunkcni), 2xDPS (2x nefunkcni) > > > KK> Chyba je typicky v rozpoznavani paketu na prijmu - P51. Normalne tam ma bejt > KK> behem paketu jedna stabilni uroven a mimo paket druha stabilni uroven. > KK> Chyba se projevuje tak ze misto jedne z tech trvalych urovni je nejaky rychle > KK> se menici digitalni signal. > > Takze jsem omeril vse co mam doma: > frekvence v bode P51 > hnizdo v krabicce U-AH102 funkcni 1.177MHz OK - dve urovne > podle paket/nic > > hnizdo v krabicce U-AH102 funkcni 1.250MHz OK - dve urovne > podle paket/nic > > hnizdo v krabicce U-AH102 funkcni 1.600MHz OK - dve urovne > podle paket/nic > > hnizdo v krabicce U-AH102 nefunkcni 1.173MHz CHYBA - Prubeh > c.1 viz priloha > > DPS v plechove samodomokrabicce nefunkcni 1.201MHz CHYBA - Prubeh > c.2 viz priloha > > DPS v plechove samodomokrabicce nefunkcni 1.180MHz CHYBA - Prubeh > c.3 viz priloha Ani u jednoho oznacenyho CHYBA to neni ta moje chyba - to by ty vlnovky musely byt mezi 0 a 5V. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 12 20:52:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jan 12 20:52:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: konfera In-Reply-To: <112994742.20040112212222@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:22:22PM +0100 References: <112994742.20040112212222@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040112215223.C2207@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:22:22PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj, > posilal jsem to na mailing list, ale asi to nejak neproslo.... > Oni neprojdou na mailinglistu prilohy? Myslim ze ne. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Jan 13 13:10:11 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Jan 13 13:12:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prevodnik dat Ethernet AUI References: <400049AE.6050807@alphanet.sk> <002d01c3d901$d3972ac0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040112212048.A1842@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <005c01c3d9d6$96e49f60$0101a8c0@cz> Je tam i datasheat, jsem to delal v lete..uz si nepamatuji ktere piny zkratovat. Zeptej se Highlandera....ten mi to poradil. Ale jak jsme zjistili, tak tenhle AMD je jedinej svab kterej FULL duplex umi. Viz tento odkaz: http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=43382#post43382 -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Prevodnik dat Ethernet AUI > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 12:47:15PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/auitp > > > > > > Umi to i FULL DUPLEX, ale je treba propajet jedno misto na DPS. > > Ktery? > > Cl< > > Odzkouseno..chodi. > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stefan Huncaga" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 7:51 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] Prevodnik dat Ethernet AUI > > > > > > > Ahojte priatelia, > > > Neviete nahodou o nejakom sikovnom a lacnom prevodniku dat medzi > > > Ethernetom a ronjackym AUI ? Ide nam o to aby sme uz nemuseli zhanat > > > dalsie stare sietove karty s AUI. Stefan > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From zefram.c at centrum.cz Wed Jan 14 02:16:23 2004 From: zefram.c at centrum.cz (zefram.c@centrum.cz) Date: Wed Jan 14 03:55:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Test Ronja Message-ID: <20040114021637Z100067-14451+979900@mail.centrum.cz> Zdravim, Postavil jsem dva kousky Ronjy a kdyz jsem je chtel otestovat pouzil jsem utilitku 3C90XCFG.EXE. Test mi prisel na oba kusy. Problem, ale nastal pokud jsem chtel sit rozjet pod Woknama. Vubec mi nevali ping. Je tedy chyba v soft nastaveni pocitacu, anebo test pomoci te utilitky neni dostatecny? Snazil jsem se to rozjet i pod linuxem,ale nesehnal jsem vhodnou distribuci na diskete, ktera by umela vsechny prikazy (vubec v linuxu neumim a jsem totalni Lama). Z predchozich debat jsem pochopil, ze Ronja vali i v half duplexu, takze predpokladam pokud mam nekde chybu, tak v ovladacich. BTW jedna sitovka je 3 Com a jedna SMC, ale to by nemelo preci vadit. -------------------- Dejte sv?mu star?mu telefonu kopa?ky! SIEMENS C62 od 1977 K? www.oskar.cz http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/hs_view1.php3?nob=1&lang=cz&hs_id=75&ii=1 From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 14 07:18:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jan 14 07:19:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BF224 Message-ID: <20040114081858.A443@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Have you someone got a BF224 SPICE model? I can't find it. If I had it I could test whether this transistor is suitable for Ronja and expand the spectrum of possible replacements. Cl< From simandl at mujmail.cz Wed Jan 14 10:25:43 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Wed Jan 14 10:24:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX & TX & Eagle 4.11 Message-ID: <40051927.4090004@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, pokud to nekomu pomuze tak Pepa prekreslil schemata RX a TX do Eaglu. Najdete tam i plosnaky ale ty jsme teprve dali vyrobit takze nevime jestli chodi. If anybody will find it usefull then there is a RX and TX schematic in Eagle from Pepa. You can find there PCB as well but we have not build it yet so it is not sure if it will work. Vse najdete na/You can get it on http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm hezky den/have a nice day Sima From simandl at mujmail.cz Wed Jan 14 11:57:47 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:56:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja In-Reply-To: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> References: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <40052EBB.9010805@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, na svete je verze 0.3 Popis zmen je na webu. Plosnaky se zatim vyrabi takze nevime jestli fungujou :) There is a version 0.3 Changes: enlarged all pads, added rj45 connector, 78xx stabs moved from neighbourhood of capacitors to get them cooler hezky den/have a nice day Sima Petr Simandl napsal(a): > Ahoj, > koukn?te na > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > je to o elektronice. Na mechaniku se Martin pr?v? te? chyst?. > T?eba to n?komu pom??e. Pepa se o t?ch jeho plo???c?ch vyj?d?il > ?e si s nima "m??e d?lat kdo chce co chce". > hezk? den > > Hi, please look at page above. There is an overview of our > ronja electronics. Mechanics is in progress. Pepa (the UTP pcb > author) said it "can be used by anyone for any purpose". > have a nice day From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Jan 14 20:32:27 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Jan 14 20:33:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nahrada 2N3904 Message-ID: <4005B56B.27110.848CAA@localhost> Mozna levna, dostupna a dobra nahrada tranzistoru 2N3904 je BF494. Sehnatelny v GES elektronics za 2Kc/kus. From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 15 07:59:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 15 07:59:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nahrada 2N3904 In-Reply-To: <4005B56B.27110.848CAA@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 09:32:27PM +0100 References: <4005B56B.27110.848CAA@localhost> Message-ID: <20040115085902.B272@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 09:32:27PM +0100, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Mozna levna, dostupna a dobra nahrada tranzistoru 2N3904 je BF494. Sehnatelny > v GES elektronics za 2Kc/kus. To vypada jako nejaka stara vyjetina co se uz nevyrabi - nemate od toho nekdo SPICE model? Pokud ne, muzete to nekdo pls nabastlit a pustit do toho obdelnik obdelnik z generatoru a poslat mi vystup z osciloskopu? Podle toho datasheetu co je na webu nedokazu urcit jestli to je spolehlive pouzitelne, ale zda se, ze by mohlo. Cl< From zavadilm at centrum.cz Fri Jan 16 14:03:53 2004 From: zavadilm at centrum.cz (Marek Zavadil) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:19:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kde sehnat vysilaci diodu HPWT-BD00-F4000 Message-ID: <20040116140356Z350425-14451+1093820@mail.centrum.cz> Nemate nekdo, potrebuju 2 ks. Muze byt i HPWT-BD00-E4000 nebo HPWT-BD00-D4000 nebo HPWT-BD00 Nebo kde se da sehnat, nejlepe v Brne nebo v Praze Nabidnete na xzavadil(AT)fi.muni.cz -------------------- Pus?te sv?j star? telefon k vod?! SIEMENS A52 ji? od 577 K? www.oskar.cz http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/hs_view1.php3?nob=1&lang=cz&hs_id=71&ii=1 From zefram.c at centrum.cz Fri Jan 16 22:57:33 2004 From: zefram.c at centrum.cz (zefram.c@centrum.cz) Date: Sat Jan 17 02:15:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pomoc Message-ID: <20040116225734Z161681-14458+1109851@mail.centrum.cz> Zdravim. Mam tu dva kusy ronjy, u kterych mi v utilitce 3C90XCFG.EXE projde test ok, ale pod windowsama je nerozbehnu ani za boha. Mam to zapojeny mezi dvouma kompama. Dokonce uz jsem i v AUI propojil jak na svorkovnici, tak i mezi body pin 12 z HC14 na pin 11 HC04 a data jsem povolil propojenim pinu 10 HC132 na log1 a stejne tim ten ping porad nemuzu protlacit . Mate nakej napad. Jedna sitovka je 3com a jedna SMC. Kdyz je propojim kabelem, tak pingnout jdou. Mate please nekdo nakej napad? From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 17 09:41:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jan 17 22:28:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Laser Led dotaz In-Reply-To: <001601c3dbb2$5caae0b0$0201a8c0@morpheus>; from cernil.zscs@centrum.cz on Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 10:55:54PM +0100 References: <001601c3dbb2$5caae0b0$0201a8c0@morpheus> Message-ID: <20040117104148.A254@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 10:55:54PM +0100, Centrum wrote: > Zdravim > Ctel bych se zeptat zda se daji pouzit ledky od firmy FKtechnics > http://e-obchod.fktechnics.cz/fktechnics/default.asp do vysilace Ronja > konkretne treba FK2036 se mi zdaji hodne podobne jak HPWT . Pripadne ktere > jsou pro pouziti nejvhodnejsi. HPWT se mi vubec nedari sehnat. Z hlediska vykonu se daj pouzit. FK 2036-150A1 by byla nejvhodnejsi. Jestli stihaj rychlostne to nevim, datasheet neobsahuje zadne informace, z kterych se to da odvodit. Cl< From bart at jinak.cz Sun Jan 18 23:03:56 2004 From: bart at jinak.cz (Norbert Buldra) Date: Sun Jan 18 23:04:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: Message-ID: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> Zdary, pot?eboval bych postavit Ronju v infra, nemate s tim nekdo nejaky zkusenosti? Jako dosah v r?zn?m po?as?, atd.... A taky jestli nevite o nejakym upravenym schematu ?i infra optoprvc?ch co se daj? pou??t. Moc d?ky BArt From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Jan 19 11:59:12 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Jan 19 12:01:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> Message-ID: <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230 Zkusenost mam takovou, ze to dava vice svetla nez normalni cervena LED, protoze to ma jinej vrchlik. A dle zkusenosti Infra-Crusader to chodi o neco lepe na lince. Linka pri mlze "padne" pozdeji nez na viditelne LED. Jako TX muzes pouzit tuto LED (trochu zmensi posledni R11 shruba na 5 ohmu) . Na RX nasad SFH-2030F s "urizlym" vrchlikem, ma to lepsi opto vlastnosti: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/serizlej_vrchlik_SFH2030.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/spherical_top.gif http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/porovnani.jpg -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert Buldra" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:03 AM Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > Zdary, > > pot?eboval bych postavit Ronju v infra, nemate s tim nekdo nejaky > zkusenosti? Jako dosah v r?zn?m po?as?, atd.... A taky jestli nevite o > nejakym upravenym schematu ?i infra optoprvc?ch co se daj? pou??t. > > Moc d?ky > > BArt > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Jan 19 12:33:53 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Jan 19 12:34:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne po 19. ledna 2004 12:59 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > Na RX nasad SFH-2030F s "urizlym" vrchlikem, ma to lepsi opto vlastnosti: > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/serizlej_vrchlik_SFH2030.j tak me napada, nefungovalo by tohle i pro pripad opricke ronji? Respektive jak hledate ohnisko u zamerovani RX? Podle mych zkusenosti je celkem jedno jak presne je rx v ohnisku, rozhodne +-1cm zadna mira. Muj postup: Misto Rx strcim matnici (mechanicky stejnej modul jako rx, jen misto rxled je tam kus mikrotenu s dirkou uprostred. Zstrcim matnici na ohnisko a zamrenim tecku posunu na stred (je to pekne viditelne, protoze najednou zmizi v dirce). Pak vytahnu matnici a strcim rx do roury, projedu s nim celou delku, poznacim si kde RX ledka zhasla, kde se rozsvitila, pak to strcim cca na 1/2 a vestinou uz zachytim nejaky minimalni signal, ktery potom dotahnu na maximum. kdyz zkousim rx modul posouvat, tak tam rohodne zadne ostre ohnisko neni, je tohle v poradku nebo mate jine zkusenosti? Dik za nazory S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From ndesir at saitis.net Mon Jan 19 12:56:06 2004 From: ndesir at saitis.net (Nicolas Desir) Date: Mon Jan 19 12:56:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 12:59:12PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230 > > Zkusenost mam takovou, ze to dava vice svetla nez normalni cervena LED, > protoze to ma jinej vrchlik. > A dle zkusenosti Infra-Crusader to chodi o neco lepe na lince. > Linka pri mlze "padne" pozdeji nez na viditelne LED. > Jako TX muzes pouzit tuto LED (trochu zmensi posledni R11 shruba na 5 ohmu) > . > Na RX nasad SFH-2030F s "urizlym" vrchlikem, ma to lepsi opto vlastnosti: > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/serizlej_vrchlik_SFH2030.jpg > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/spherical_top.gif > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/porovnani.jpg Did you do the tests between one spherical sfh2030 and one flat sfh2030 or with another spherical one (bpw43?) Nicolas From clock at beton.cybernet.src Mon Jan 19 13:36:03 2004 From: clock at beton.cybernet.src (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Jan 19 13:36:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz>; from zapadlo@melzer.cz on Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 01:33:53PM +0100 References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040119133603.H1156@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 01:33:53PM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Dne po 19. ledna 2004 12:59 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > Na RX nasad SFH-2030F s "urizlym" vrchlikem, ma to lepsi opto vlastnosti: > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/serizlej_vrchlik_SFH2030.j > > tak me napada, nefungovalo by tohle i pro pripad opricke ronji? > > > Respektive jak hledate ohnisko u zamerovani RX? Ja to hledam podle navodu - nepamatuju si co tam uz presne pisou ale bylo to myslim neco jako ze se signal ma chytnout kdyz je vytah v pulce a pak se maximalizuje podle meraku. > > Podle mych zkusenosti je celkem jedno jak presne je rx v ohnisku, rozhodne > +-1cm zadna mira. Jo to tak je. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 19 16:02:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jan 19 16:03:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kalafuna na prasata Message-ID: <20040119160252.A1781@beton.cybernet.src> Nevite jestli takova ta kalafuna na prasata co se koupi v pytliku v drogerii je stejne dobra na letovani jako takova ta strasne hodnotna co se koupi v misticce za 10Kc a hned se vypotrebuje? Cl< From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Mon Jan 19 16:09:19 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Mon Jan 19 16:09:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kalafuna na prasata Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB05EA09@vestex01.vest.corp> Jo. Mela by bejt stejna. Aspon podle me (nesmerodatne- moc jsem toho jeste nenakalafunoval :-)) Podle jednoho televizaka co nam opravoval televizi (asi uz smerodatne - opravil ji) je taky stejna. -- Kosac > > Nevite jestli takova ta kalafuna na prasata co se koupi v > pytliku v drogerii je stejne dobra na letovani jako takova ta > strasne hodnotna co se koupi v misticce za 10Kc a hned se vypotrebuje? > > Cl< From jan.martinu at post.cz Mon Jan 19 16:29:07 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Mon Jan 19 16:23:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kalafuna na prasata In-Reply-To: <20040119160252.A1781@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040119160252.A1781@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200401191729.07169.jan.martinu@post.cz> Je stejna - jedinej rozdil je v cene Dne po 19. ledna 2004 17:02 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Nevite jestli takova ta kalafuna na prasata co se koupi v pytliku v > drogerii je stejne dobra na letovani jako takova ta strasne hodnotna co se > koupi v misticce za 10Kc a hned se vypotrebuje? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From simandl at mujmail.cz Tue Jan 20 08:26:16 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Tue Jan 20 08:25:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kalafuna na prasata In-Reply-To: <20040119160252.A1781@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040119160252.A1781@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <400CE628.9080003@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, ja pouzivam jen tu na prasata. Jmenuje se to tusim "smola na prasata" a asi pred 10 lety jsme koupili pred zabijackou smolu v peknych pruhlednych velikych hroudach takze jsem si hned jednu ulil a dodneska na ni jedu. Vetsinou se totiz prodava uz namleta a je treba ji z praktickych duvodu roztavit do jednoho kusu. Uz jsem letoval i s kalafunou na smycce z hudebnin (sveho casu to bylo levne) a v nouzi se da pouzit i smrkova/borovicova smula :) Asi to vetsina lidi vi, ale po letovani kalafunou je dobre se ji ihned z letovanych casti zbavit. Povlak z prepalene kalafuny je totiz trosku vodivy a nekdy i bere vlhkost. Normalne to nevadi ale pokud jsou nekde male proudy tak kalafuna muze komplet zamichat pracovnim bodem (ronja RX a pod.). hezky den Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Nevite jestli takova ta kalafuna na prasata co se koupi v pytliku v drogerii je > stejne dobra na letovani jako takova ta strasne hodnotna co se koupi v misticce > za 10Kc a hned se vypotrebuje? > Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Jan 20 10:03:21 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Jan 20 10:05:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <001b01c3df3c$a2b04a40$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Zapadlo" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > Dne po 19. ledna 2004 12:59 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > Na RX nasad SFH-2030F s "urizlym" vrchlikem, ma to lepsi opto vlastnosti: > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/serizlej_vrchlik_SFH2030.j > > tak me napada, nefungovalo by tohle i pro pripad opricke ronji? Opricke? nerozumim > > > Respektive jak hledate ohnisko u zamerovani RX? 1. krok .... pomoci prusvitneho papiru si najdu ohnisko s presnosti +- 3mm 2. krok .... prijmac dam do tohoto ohniska a tahnu s nim dopredu/dozadu na nejsilnejsi signal > > Podle mych zkusenosti je celkem jedno jak presne je rx v ohnisku, rozhodne > +-1cm zadna mira. Tak to je omyl...pouzivam fresnelku 21cm prumer....i pul milimetru je znat. > Muj postup: > > Misto Rx strcim matnici (mechanicky stejnej modul jako rx, jen misto rxled je > tam kus mikrotenu s dirkou uprostred. > Zstrcim matnici na ohnisko a zamrenim tecku posunu na stred (je to pekne > viditelne, protoze najednou zmizi v dirce). Pak vytahnu matnici a > strcim rx do roury, projedu s nim celou delku, poznacim si kde RX ledka > zhasla, kde se rozsvitila, pak to strcim cca na 1/2 a vestinou uz zachytim > nejaky minimalni signal, ktery potom dotahnu na maximum. > kdyz zkousim rx modul posouvat, tak tam rohodne zadne ostre ohnisko neni, je > tohle v poradku nebo mate jine zkusenosti? Dle meho v pohode. > > Dik za nazory > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -=RYS=- From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Jan 20 10:05:39 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Jan 20 10:08:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> Message-ID: <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Desir" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 12:59:12PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230 > > > > Zkusenost mam takovou, ze to dava vice svetla nez normalni cervena LED, > > protoze to ma jinej vrchlik. > > A dle zkusenosti Infra-Crusader to chodi o neco lepe na lince. > > Linka pri mlze "padne" pozdeji nez na viditelne LED. > > Jako TX muzes pouzit tuto LED (trochu zmensi posledni R11 shruba na 5 ohmu) > > . > > Na RX nasad SFH-2030F s "urizlym" vrchlikem, ma to lepsi opto vlastnosti: > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/serizlej_vrchlik_SFH2030.jpg > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/spherical_top.gif > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/porovnani.jpg > > Did you do the tests between one spherical sfh2030 and one flat sfh2030 > or with another spherical one (bpw43?) > > Nicolas I testing with only SFH2030 and irda SFH2030F . -=RYS=- .... Martin OK1MJO > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From zapadlo at melzer.cz Tue Jan 20 10:16:02 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Tue Jan 20 10:16:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <001b01c3df3c$a2b04a40$0101a8c0@cz> References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <001b01c3df3c$a2b04a40$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <2644.194.228.85.242.1074593762.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Zapadlo" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > > >> Dne po 19. ledna 2004 12:59 -=RYS=- napsal(a): >> >> > Na RX nasad SFH-2030F s "urizlym" vrchlikem, ma to lepsi opto > vlastnosti: >> > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/serizlej_vrchlik_SFH2030.j >> >> tak me napada, nefungovalo by tohle i pro pripad opricke ronji? > > Opricke? nerozumim > Preklep, mysleno opticke (viditelne) Projevuje se to i kdyz je RX bez optiky nebo jen s optikou? Cim je urezana plocha zalestena a jak musi byt moc rovinna? >> >> >> Respektive jak hledate ohnisko u zamerovani RX? > > 1. krok .... pomoci prusvitneho papiru si najdu ohnisko s presnosti +- > 3mm 2. krok .... prijmac dam do tohoto ohniska a tahnu s nim > dopredu/dozadu na nejsilnejsi signal Ohnisko patri kam? Vrchlik fotodiody, nebo cip? > >> >> Podle mych zkusenosti je celkem jedno jak presne je rx v ohnisku, >> rozhodne +-1cm zadna mira. > > Tak to je omyl...pouzivam fresnelku 21cm prumer....i pul milimetru je > znat. Taky si myslim, ze by to melo byt velmi ostre, ale neni. A nevim proc. I kdyz je fakt ze ta linka ma 1.3km a funguje (teda kdyz neni mlha nebo vanice) takze uplne blbe zamerene to snad nemam. Diky -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 20 13:28:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jan 20 13:29:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: question In-Reply-To: <000801c3df41$69beb500$8a40cad5@interceptor>; from sandro.superina@inet.hr on Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 11:37:28AM +0100 References: <000801c3df41$69beb500$8a40cad5@interceptor> Message-ID: <20040120132858.A18991@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 11:37:28AM +0100, Sandro Superina wrote: > Hi. > With which program could I see the schematics ? > > Files with extension *.sch and *.png. .sch: gEDA gschem, http://geda.seul.org .png: web browser, image viewer, gimp,... > I have tried with eagle but it could not open the files. No these can't be open with Eagle. However you can install gEDA gschem for free. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 20 15:13:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jan 20 15:13:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kalafuna na prasata In-Reply-To: <400CE628.9080003@mujmail.cz>; from simandl@mujmail.cz on Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 09:26:16AM +0100 References: <20040119160252.A1781@beton.cybernet.src> <400CE628.9080003@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <20040120151339.A19215@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 09:26:16AM +0100, Petr Simandl wrote: > Ahoj, > ja pouzivam jen tu na prasata. Jmenuje se to tusim > "smola na prasata" a asi pred 10 lety jsme koupili pred > zabijackou smolu v peknych pruhlednych velikych hroudach > takze jsem si hned jednu ulil a dodneska na ni jedu. > Vetsinou se totiz prodava uz namleta a je treba ji z > praktickych duvodu roztavit do jednoho kusu. > > Uz jsem letoval i s kalafunou na smycce z hudebnin (sveho casu > to bylo levne) a v nouzi se da pouzit i smrkova/borovicova smula :) To ja jsem dotedka mel takovou festovne fosilni kostku po dedeckovi "Johannes Strasuss 1866-nevimkolik Feinster Staubfreier Solo-Kolofonium" v takovy uhledny krabicce s cimsi co vypadalo jako rucni kresba Straussovic xichtu a jeste vevnitr byl pod tim takovej papirek a na nem byl taky Strauss a bylo to zkrz tu kostku videt turch - teda do ty doby nez jsem do toho zaboril pajku ;-) Ale sberatel by se v tom urcite vyzil ;-) Ted jsem byl koupit v drogosce kalafunu na prasata, dela se jen 1kg Kittfort praskova a stala me 69 Kc. A misto portretu Strausse jsou na ni portrety 2 prasat :) Cl< > > Asi to vetsina lidi vi, ale po letovani kalafunou je dobre > se ji ihned z letovanych casti zbavit. Povlak z prepalene > kalafuny je totiz trosku vodivy a nekdy i bere vlhkost. > Normalne to nevadi ale pokud jsou nekde male proudy tak > kalafuna muze komplet zamichat pracovnim bodem (ronja RX a pod.). > > hezky den > > Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > Nevite jestli takova ta kalafuna na prasata co se koupi v pytliku v drogerii je > > stejne dobra na letovani jako takova ta strasne hodnotna co se koupi v misticce > > za 10Kc a hned se vypotrebuje? > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Jan 20 15:47:01 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Jan 20 15:48:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kalafuna na prasata In-Reply-To: <20040120151339.A19215@beton.cybernet.src> References: <400CE628.9080003@mujmail.cz>; from simandl@mujmail.cz on Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 09:26:16AM +0100 Message-ID: <400D5B85.21614.529C1E@localhost> Eumetol RULEZ... Doporucuji k precteni knizku "Chemicky receptar" nakladatelstvi BEN. Tam je popsana velice zajimava chemie, ktera by se mohla pri stavbe Ronji hodit. On 20 Jan 2004 at 15:13, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 09:26:16AM +0100, Petr Simandl wrote: > > Ahoj, > > ja pouzivam jen tu na prasata. Jmenuje se to tusim > > "smola na prasata" a asi pred 10 lety jsme koupili pred > > zabijackou smolu v peknych pruhlednych velikych hroudach > > takze jsem si hned jednu ulil a dodneska na ni jedu. > > Vetsinou se totiz prodava uz namleta a je treba ji z > > praktickych duvodu roztavit do jednoho kusu. > > > > Uz jsem letoval i s kalafunou na smycce z hudebnin (sveho casu > > to bylo levne) a v nouzi se da pouzit i smrkova/borovicova smula :) > > To ja jsem dotedka mel takovou festovne fosilni kostku po dedeckovi "Johannes > Strasuss 1866-nevimkolik Feinster Staubfreier Solo-Kolofonium" v takovy uhledny > krabicce s cimsi co vypadalo jako rucni kresba Straussovic xichtu a jeste > vevnitr byl pod tim takovej papirek a na nem byl taky Strauss a bylo to zkrz tu > kostku videt turch - teda do ty doby nez jsem do toho zaboril pajku ;-) Ale > sberatel by se v tom urcite vyzil ;-) From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 20 15:59:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jan 20 15:59:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kalafuna na prasata In-Reply-To: <400D5B85.21614.529C1E@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 04:47:01PM +0100 References: <400CE628.9080003@mujmail.cz>; <20040120151339.A19215@beton.cybernet.src> <400D5B85.21614.529C1E@localhost> Message-ID: <20040120155946.A19339@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 04:47:01PM +0100, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Eumetol RULEZ... Doporucuji k precteni knizku "Chemicky receptar" > nakladatelstvi BEN. Tam je popsana velice zajimava chemie, ktera by se mohla > pri stavbe Ronji hodit. Co zajimaveho tam treba je? Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Jan 19 19:33:28 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Jan 20 23:07:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> Message-ID: <9020160890.20040119203328@volny.cz> Zdravim, na tu Ronju v Jicine, byl pozadavek, aby to nebylo videt (aby pamatkari nenadavali, co to tam sviti.) Dal jsem tam normalne tu HDSL-4220 a jede to. Taky mam pocit, ze to v infra jede trochu lepe. Ondra NB> Zdary, NB> pot=F8eboval bych postavit Ronju v infra, nemate s tim nekdo nejaky NB> zkusenosti=3F Jako dosah v r=F9zn=E9m po=E8as=ED, atd.... A taky jestli= nevite o NB> nejakym upravenym schematu =E8i infra optoprvc=EDch co se daj=ED pou=9E= =EDt. NB> Moc d=EDky NB> BArt NB> _______________________________________________ NB> Ronja mailing list NB> Ronja@lists.pointless.net NB> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Jan 19 19:35:01 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Jan 20 23:07:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pomoc In-Reply-To: <20040116225734Z161681-14458+1109851@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040116225734Z161681-14458+1109851@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <13220253950.20040119203501@volny.cz> To fakt moc netusim. Kdyz pustis ten DOS test a odpojis ronju, nahlasi to chybu? :-) Pokud ano. Tak to vazne nevim. Pokud ne, tak je chba v to DOS testu. Ondra zccc> Zdravim. Mam tu dva kusy ronjy, u kterych mi v utilitce 3C90XCFG.EXE projde zccc> test ok, ale pod windowsama je nerozbehnu ani za boha. Mam to zapojeny mezi dvouma kompama. Dokonce uz jsem i v AUI propojil jak na svorkovnici, tak i mezi body pin 12 z HC14 na pin 11 HC04 a zccc> data jsem povolil propojenim pinu 10 HC132 na log1 a stejne tim ten ping porad nemuzu protlacit . Mate nakej napad. Jedna sitovka je 3com a jedna SMC. Kdyz je propojim kabelem, tak pingnout zccc> jdou. Mate please nekdo nakej napad? zccc> _______________________________________________ zccc> Ronja mailing list zccc> Ronja@lists.pointless.net zccc> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Jan 19 19:31:16 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Jan 20 23:07:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kalafuna na prasata In-Reply-To: <20040119160252.A1781@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040119160252.A1781@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <15720028820.20040119203116@volny.cz> Nejsem si jistej.... O moc horsi to asi nebude, zacinal jsem s ni. Ted radsi kupuji tu novou. V COMPu. Pajim hodne, ale tu misticku ani za rok nezpracuji. Krom toho je cistsi a min smrdi, nez ta praseci. Nejkvalitnejsi mi prisla brachova, co ma na housle, ale ta je financne jinde :-) Ondra KK> Nevite jestli takova ta kalafuna na prasata co se koupi v pytliku v drogerii je KK> stejne dobra na letovani jako takova ta strasne hodnotna co se koupi v misticce KK> za 10Kc a hned se vypotrebuje? KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Jan 20 20:44:33 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Jan 21 10:43:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: question In-Reply-To: <20040120132858.A18991@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000801c3df41$69beb500$8a40cad5@interceptor> <20040120132858.A18991@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <402961449.20040120214433@volny.cz> And some NEW version of gEDA for Windows(95/98/XP)? Where can I dowload them? OndraT KK> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 11:37:28AM +0100, Sandro Superina wrote: >> Hi. >> With which program could I see the schematics ? >> >> Files with extension *.sch and *.png. KK> .sch: gEDA gschem, http://geda.seul.org KK> .png: web browser, image viewer, gimp,... >> I have tried with eagle but it could not open the files. KK> No these can't be open with Eagle. However you can install gEDA gschem for KK> free. KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ndesir at saitis.net Wed Jan 21 15:36:56 2004 From: ndesir at saitis.net (ndesir@saitis.net) Date: Wed Jan 21 15:37:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 11:05:39AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicolas Desir" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > > > > > > Did you do the tests between one spherical sfh2030 and one flat sfh2030 > > or with another spherical one (bpw43?) > > > > Nicolas > > I testing with only SFH2030 and irda SFH2030F . Ok, because I was thinking that it was the difference between a flat and a spherical sfh2030. I've been mistaken by the serizlej_vrchlik_SFH2030.jpg pict. And I have some troubles to agree with that picture. I am running a ronja link with a flat sfh because I couldn't find a bpw43 nor a spherical sfh. (but since, I found bpw43's, ordered them and I am waiting) The problems I have: - the best/smaller spot surface (image on the detector) I can get is twice bigger than the photo sensitive surface, so I loose 50% - with my focal length of about 200mm and the ~1mm size of the detector, the mounting and pointing precision goes down from about 1 degree to 1/3 degree (that could be solved by using 70mm focal lenses but they are costly and have more aberrations) and 1/3 degree makes it difficult to point and maintain the receiver in place. - the flat version is sensitive at +/-75 degrees and is more sensitive to noise made by sun or other light source that is able to enter the the tube and reflects on the sides or the bottom, in the tube. And Afaik, advantages of the spherical one: - the spherical head act as a not so bad lense that is able to insure that 90% of the light (with a maximum angle +/-20 degree) received on the 5mm head will hit the 1mm2 detector. - we are at about 1 degree in term of pointing precision - much more robust to noise in the tube - but there is perhaps an issue: the specs are given with a uniform lighting of the spherical head, and the light received from the big lense, near the focal point is for sure not so uniform. I am thinking to make some tests with my flat sfh and a secondary lense that could simply be and old cd player lense (it's about 3mm and it should not be too difficult to concentrate all the light on 1mm2) And, for sure, it's quite a good lense and we will perhaps be able to see the results on the silicium directly. But it unfortunately add a plastic-air-plastic step. To conclude, I will just say that I'm often a little sad not to be able to understand Czech, and that like most of you, I think you can figure out, English is also not my native language. Nicolas From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 21 21:25:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jan 21 21:25:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro>; from ndesir@saitis.net on Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 04:36:56PM +0100 References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> Message-ID: <20040121212518.C29039@beton.cybernet.src> > I am thinking to make some tests with my flat sfh and a secondary > lense that could simply be and old cd player lense (it's about 3mm > and it should not be too difficult to concentrate all the light on 1mm2) > And, for sure, it's quite a good lense and we will perhaps be able to see the > results on the silicium directly. But it unfortunately add a > plastic-air-plastic step. Is the CD lens plastic or glass? Does it have an antireflexive coating? > To conclude, I will just say that I'm often a little sad not to be able > to understand Czech, and that like most of you, I think you can figure out, > English is also not my native language. Yes the world's languages are confused since the building of that tower in Babylon or what I don't know what's inside The Bible ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Jan 21 21:41:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Jan 21 21:41:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: question In-Reply-To: <402961449.20040120214433@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 09:44:33PM +0100 References: <000801c3df41$69beb500$8a40cad5@interceptor> <20040120132858.A18991@beton.cybernet.src> <402961449.20040120214433@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040121214134.H29039@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 09:44:33PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > And some NEW version of gEDA for Windows(95/98/XP)? > Where can I dowload them? What is the latest version of gEDA available for Windows now? I am using gschem 20040111 on Linux. There are included also many symbols I have created during the years for Ronja. Generic Unix portable programs should be able to compile under Cygwin under Windows - I don't know who makes Cygwin but I guess Cygnus Solutions. We run successfully Links under Cygwin so I think trying to compile gEDA under it won't be a waste of time. Cl< > > OndraT > > KK> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 11:37:28AM +0100, Sandro Superina wrote: > >> Hi. > >> With which program could I see the schematics ? > >> > >> Files with extension *.sch and *.png. > > KK> .sch: gEDA gschem, http://geda.seul.org > KK> .png: web browser, image viewer, gimp,... > > >> I have tried with eagle but it could not open the files. > > KK> No these can't be open with Eagle. However you can install gEDA gschem for > KK> free. > > KK> Cl< > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 22 01:16:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 22 01:16:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Mast console - chyba v planku In-Reply-To: ; from b00lean@b00lean.net on Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:51:08AM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20040122011633.A16427@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:51:08AM +0100, b00lean wrote: > Ahoj, > dnes mne Elite upozornil ze nesedej diry mezi fotkou a plankem v mast > consoli, konkretne: > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/prague/cimice/d > jinn/dscn0082.jpg > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/mast0.png > Zda se ze se nejakou chybou presunuly diry z pudorysu do bokorysu. Diky, uz jsem to opravil. Ty diry maj bejt tak jak jste to nechali vyrobit - tzn. Kdyz je U |_| tak tam kde je znak _ (podtrzitko) Puvodne to bylo v tech bocich a prosroubovany turch ale ten profil se muchlal a pruzil -> to bylo blbe tak jsem to zrusil a dal tam kde to je ted. Konzole pak samozrejme neni natocena kolmo na smer paprsku ale podelne s nim, nebo trochu sikmo. Slo by to dat i na ty "horni" plochy, ale dira by nesmela bejt turch oba boky, a musela by tam bejt klinova podlozka (maj ji normalne ve Ferone, je to podlozka specialne designovana na interfacovani techhle U-profilu) Uz si bohuzel nepamatuju proc jsem to zavrh ale mam pocit ze jsem taky mel podezreni, ze to na tech bokach bud bude hur sedet (neni tam druha hrana obouchatelne kladivem tak tam hrozi uplatnovani konvexnosti ty vyvalcovany steny coz obcas zpusobuje celkem neprijemnou neutahnutelnost spoje - clovek si na tom malem zlomi obe ruce a momentovy klic a pak prijde 3-lete dite a malickem s tim stale otoci ;-) ) a nebo proto ze na tom kraji to vic pruzi. Nicmene kdybyste s tim jak je to ted meli problemy tak reknete, ja tam tu podporu na ty klinovy podlozky kdyztak dodelam (ale zatim radsi ne jestli to takhle bude dobre fungovat). Jediny kde jsou klinovy podlozky je corner console protoze tam to timhle stylem udelat nejde. Ty planky jinak mam uplne strasny - kazda cara jinak tlusta a tak, musi se to spravit, ale ted na to neni cas :( Cl< From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Thu Jan 22 08:35:57 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Thu Jan 22 08:36:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Game for free time Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB05EA26@vestex01.vest.corp> Try this. I like it. You must use mirrors etc. to hit bulb with laser. http://laser.narr.as/laser.swf -- Kosac From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 22 10:05:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 22 10:05:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Mast console - chyba v planku In-Reply-To: ; from b00lean@b00lean.net on Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 09:11:33AM +0100 References: <20040122011633.A16427@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040122100515.B511@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 09:11:33AM +0100, b00lean wrote: > Heled precet sem si to nekolikrat a neleze mi to do kebule. > Obrazky na webu opraveny nevidim. > A kdyz rikas ze diry jsou spravne v podtrzitku |_| tak to by znamenalo ze > planek je dobre a fotka je spatne. Jo fotka je stara. Obrazek na webu opravenej je - http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/mast0.png Ted jsem si vsimnul ze na dxf soubory jsou deadlinky - opravil jsem to. > Kdyz si to tu sestavuju na podlaze s cross blockama tak mi to nesedi. Resp. > kdyz bude konzole podelne k cily tak se tubusy prekryvaji a crossbolocky > nevim jestli plni spravnou funkci. No jeden plateblock at trci doleva a druhy doprava, ne? A kdyby tam porad nebylo dost mista, tak to trochu natocis sikmo tu konzoli. Plateblock a crossblock na sebe nemusej bejt kolmo, muzou bejt i sikmo. Cl< From jo_jo at post.cz Thu Jan 22 10:41:37 2004 From: jo_jo at post.cz (jo_jo) Date: Thu Jan 22 10:44:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> Message-ID: <400FA8E1.9070309@post.cz> ndesir@saitis.net wrote: >On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 11:05:39AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Nicolas Desir" >>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:56 PM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja >> >> >> >> >>>Did you do the tests between one spherical sfh2030 and one flat sfh2030 >>>or with another spherical one (bpw43?) >>> >>>Nicolas >>> >>> >>I testing with only SFH2030 and irda SFH2030F . >> >> > >Ok, because I was thinking that it was the difference between a flat >and a spherical sfh2030. I've been mistaken by the >serizlej_vrchlik_SFH2030.jpg pict. > > > I understand it, that Mr. Rys is using spherical and not spherical SFH2030 and SFH2030F. ( by cuting off part of body ). He isn't using BPW43. He achived better results with cut off SFH2030, what is contrary to your results. How it's possible ? I think that reasen is that he is using better fresnel lens, with a smaller diametr of focal spot. I am curious what happens if you improve construction of Ronja by adding 2 or 3 baffle plates and you will use better cover of inner tube ( valvet, black paper, special gleamless painting ) for limiting residual light. >And I have some troubles to agree with that picture. I am running >a ronja link with a flat sfh because I couldn't find a bpw43 nor a >spherical sfh. (but since, I found bpw43's, ordered them and I am waiting) > >The problems I have: >- the best/smaller spot surface (image on the detector) I can get is twice > bigger than the photo sensitive surface, so I loose 50% >- with my focal length of about 200mm and the ~1mm size of the detector, > the mounting and pointing precision goes down from about 1 degree to > 1/3 degree (that could be solved by using 70mm focal lenses but they > are costly and have more aberrations) and 1/3 degree makes it difficult to > point and maintain the receiver in place. >- the flat version is sensitive at +/-75 degrees and is more sensitive > to noise made by sun or other light source that is able to enter the > the tube and reflects on the sides or the bottom, in the tube. > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Jan 22 10:44:36 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Jan 22 10:50:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <001b01c3df3c$a2b04a40$0101a8c0@cz> <2644.194.228.85.242.1074593762.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> Message-ID: <001701c3e0d4$bafdf540$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Zapadlo" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Petr Zapadlo" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > > > > > >> Dne po 19. ledna 2004 12:59 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > >> > >> > Na RX nasad SFH-2030F s "urizlym" vrchlikem, ma to lepsi opto > > vlastnosti: > >> > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/serizlej_vrchlik_SFH2030.j > >> > >> tak me napada, nefungovalo by tohle i pro pripad opricke ronji? > > > > Opricke? nerozumim > > > > > Preklep, mysleno opticke (viditelne) > > > Projevuje se to i kdyz je RX bez optiky nebo jen s optikou? Bez i s optikou. > > Cim je urezana plocha zalestena a jak musi byt moc rovinna? Seriznout, zapilovat jemne pilnickem a pak zalapovat. Kdyz se netrefis primo kolmo 90st tak to neni kriticke. > > >> > >> > >> Respektive jak hledate ohnisko u zamerovani RX? > > > > 1. krok .... pomoci prusvitneho papiru si najdu ohnisko s presnosti +- > > 3mm 2. krok .... prijmac dam do tohoto ohniska a tahnu s nim > > dopredu/dozadu na nejsilnejsi signal > > > Ohnisko patri kam? > > Vrchlik fotodiody, nebo cip? cip > > > > >> > >> Podle mych zkusenosti je celkem jedno jak presne je rx v ohnisku, > >> rozhodne +-1cm zadna mira. > > > > > Tak to je omyl...pouzivam fresnelku 21cm prumer....i pul milimetru je > > znat. > > Taky si myslim, ze by to melo byt velmi ostre, ale neni. A nevim proc. > > I kdyz je fakt ze ta linka ma 1.3km a funguje (teda kdyz neni mlha nebo > vanice) takze uplne blbe zamerene to snad nemam. > Hmm..tak mas na hovno cocku. > > > Diky > > > -- > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 22 10:54:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 22 10:56:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <001701c3e0d4$bafdf540$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:44:36AM +0100 References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <001b01c3df3c$a2b04a40$0101a8c0@cz> <2644.194.228.85.242.1074593762.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> <001701c3e0d4$bafdf540$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> Rys: Jakou pouzivas cocku? Cl< > > > > > > Projevuje se to i kdyz je RX bez optiky nebo jen s optikou? > > Bez i s optikou. > > > > > > Ohnisko patri kam? > > > > Vrchlik fotodiody, nebo cip? > > cip > > > Taky si myslim, ze by to melo byt velmi ostre, ale neni. A nevim proc. > > > > I kdyz je fakt ze ta linka ma 1.3km a funguje (teda kdyz neni mlha nebo > > vanice) takze uplne blbe zamerene to snad nemam. > > > > Hmm..tak mas na hovno cocku. > From ndesir at saitis.net Thu Jan 22 13:53:42 2004 From: ndesir at saitis.net (ndesir@saitis.net) Date: Thu Jan 22 13:56:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <400FA8E1.9070309@post.cz> References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> <400FA8E1.9070309@post.cz> Message-ID: <20040122135342.GB23232@hydro> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:41:37AM +0100, jo_jo wrote: > I understand it, that Mr. Rys is using spherical and not spherical > SFH2030 and SFH2030F. > ( by cuting off part of body ). And after he cuts the SFH2030, he polished it? No, this is one manufactured package of the SFH2030 ;) > He isn't using BPW43. > He achived better results with cut off SFH2030, what is contrary to > your results. That's not clear, the picture with the 2 lcd does not show that comparison. > How it's possible ? > I think that reasen is that he is using better fresnel lens, with a > smaller diametr of focal spot. Perhaps, but if he has a 220mm focal length, the increased pointing precision need is still there > I am curious what happens if you improve construction of Ronja by > adding 2 or 3 baffle plates and > you will use better cover of inner tube ( valvet, black paper, special > gleamless painting ) > for limiting residual light. Of course it would help. From ndesir at saitis.net Thu Jan 22 14:50:11 2004 From: ndesir at saitis.net (ndesir@saitis.net) Date: Thu Jan 22 14:52:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <20040121212518.C29039@beton.cybernet.src> References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> <20040121212518.C29039@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040122145011.GD23232@hydro> On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 09:25:18PM +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > Is the CD lens plastic or glass? Afaik, in today's hardware, most of them are plastic ones, but in older models you can still find glass ones. > Does it have an antireflexive coating? No idea, what have you in mind? From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 22 15:01:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 22 15:03:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <20040122145011.GD23232@hydro>; from ndesir@saitis.net on Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 03:50:11PM +0100 References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> <20040121212518.C29039@beton.cybernet.src> <20040122145011.GD23232@hydro> Message-ID: <20040122150104.C1026@beton.cybernet.src> > models you can still find glass ones. > > > Does it have an antireflexive coating? > > No idea, what have you in mind? It's a layer that appears bluish, reddish, greenish, violetish, depending on how you tilt it. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 22 15:02:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 22 15:05:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Mast console - chyba v planku In-Reply-To: ; from b00lean@b00lean.net on Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 03:57:32PM +0100 References: <20040122100515.B511@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040122150241.D1026@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 03:57:32PM +0100, b00lean wrote: > Diky myslim ze uz tomu rozumim. > Spis me matlo ze kdyz jsem to na koberci sestavil tak cross block plnil > funkci vyhybu do strany coz se mi nezdalo byt zamerem. > > Jeste bych mel jeden dotaz pro nezavysleho odbornika :) > 1. Nechal sem natrit tubusy na bilo, ovsem kdyz to prochazelo linkou tak sou > tubusy bile I uvnitr. Macros tvrdi ze jsou potreba uvnitr nabarvit na cerno. > Je to pravda? Jo urcite. Pokud mozno matne. > 2. Kominove vicka na tubusy jsem nechal tak byly, nenechal sem je natrit > protoze sem si myslel ze jsou z medi. Macros tvrdi ze je mam nechat take > natrit. Je to pravda? :) Je. Jsou z pomedeneho oceloveho plechu a za chvili je to rezaty jako liska i kdyz je to pomedeny. > 3. Tepelne stitky (odstrizky z vicek) je podle macrose take potreba natrit > na cerno. Opet stejna otazka - Je to mu tak? Jo. Z obou stran. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 22 15:03:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 22 15:06:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Mast console - chyba v planku In-Reply-To: ; from b00lean@b00lean.net on Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 03:57:32PM +0100 References: <20040122100515.B511@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040122150333.E1026@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 03:57:32PM +0100, b00lean wrote: > Diky myslim ze uz tomu rozumim. > Spis me matlo ze kdyz jsem to na koberci sestavil tak cross block plnil > funkci vyhybu do strany coz se mi nezdalo byt zamerem. > > Jeste bych mel jeden dotaz pro nezavysleho odbornika :) > 1. Nechal sem natrit tubusy na bilo, ovsem kdyz to prochazelo linkou tak sou ^^^^^^ > tubusy bile I uvnitr. Macros tvrdi ze jsou potreba uvnitr nabarvit na cerno. Co jste pouzili za barvy? Praskovou lakovnu? Cl< From ndesir at saitis.net Thu Jan 22 15:47:39 2004 From: ndesir at saitis.net (ndesir@saitis.net) Date: Thu Jan 22 15:50:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <20040122150104.C1026@beton.cybernet.src> References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> <20040121212518.C29039@beton.cybernet.src> <20040122145011.GD23232@hydro> <20040122150104.C1026@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040122154739.GF23232@hydro> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 03:01:04PM +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > It's a layer that appears bluish, reddish, greenish, violetish, > depending on how you tilt it. It's no want I wanted to mean, I know what antireflexion coating (my glasses are even coated with antireflexion layers and appear a little violetish) I was just wondering in what way the presence of antireflexion coating could have big influences on the system? From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 22 15:57:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 22 16:00:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <20040122154739.GF23232@hydro>; from ndesir@saitis.net on Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 04:47:39PM +0100 References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> <20040121212518.C29039@beton.cybernet.src> <20040122145011.GD23232@hydro> <20040122150104.C1026@beton.cybernet.src> <20040122154739.GF23232@hydro> Message-ID: <20040122155756.C1234@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 04:47:39PM +0100, ndesir@saitis.net wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 03:01:04PM +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > > > It's a layer that appears bluish, reddish, greenish, violetish, > > depending on how you tilt it. > > It's no want I wanted to mean, I know what antireflexion coating > (my glasses are even coated with antireflexion layers and appear > a little violetish) > > I was just wondering in what way the presence of antireflexion coating > could have big influences on the system? Make the signal 8% stronger ;-P Cl< From maco at host.sk Thu Jan 22 20:44:15 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Jan 22 20:47:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP, SOSOVKY In-Reply-To: <20040122155756.C1234@beton.cybernet.src> References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> <20040121212518.C29039@beton.cybernet.src> <20040122145011.GD23232@hydro> <20040122150104.C1026@beton.cybernet.src> <20040122154739.GF23232@hydro> <20040122155756.C1234@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4010361F.7030705@host.sk> Mam otazocku, neviem sa k tomu dopatrat tak ma ospravedlnte ak sa pytam znamu vec. Aka ma byt priblizne vzdialenost SOSOVKY (cocky od LEDky? Chcel by som to vediet este pred postavenim ronje aby som vedel s cim mam ratat. A aku vobec mam sosovku hladat? Lebo ked som prisiel do optiky tak sa na mna pozerali ako cvoci - ani som nevedel co chcem, len som vedel, ze to ma mat priemer 130mm :) Dalsia vecicka - predpokladam, ze to bolo uz prediskutovavane vela krat, ale neodpustim si to - skusal uz niekto realne v CR alebo na SK nasatid TP interface? Su s tym nejake zavaznejsie problemy? S cim by som mal zacat? TP alebo AUI? TP mi je osobne sympatickejsie, ale necham si poradit. (kompikovanost modelovania, nejake dalsie halusky dakujem Marcel Hecko maco www.blava.net From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 22 21:16:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 22 21:16:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP, SOSOVKY In-Reply-To: <4010361F.7030705@host.sk>; from maco@host.sk on Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 09:44:15PM +0100 References: <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> <20040121212518.C29039@beton.cybernet.src> <20040122145011.GD23232@hydro> <20040122150104.C1026@beton.cybernet.src> <20040122154739.GF23232@hydro> <20040122155756.C1234@beton.cybernet.src> <4010361F.7030705@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040122211610.D1729@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 09:44:15PM +0100, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Mam otazocku, > neviem sa k tomu dopatrat tak ma ospravedlnte ak sa pytam znamu vec. > > Aka ma byt priblizne vzdialenost SOSOVKY (cocky od LEDky? > Chcel by som to vediet este pred postavenim ronje aby som vedel s cim > mam ratat. http://ronja.twibright.com/tubular_head_130/material.php, grep Optics. > A aku vobec mam sosovku hladat? Lebo ked som prisiel do optiky tak sa na > mna pozerali ako cvoci - ani som nevedel co chcem, len som vedel, ze to > ma mat priemer 130mm :) Obycejnou lupu Cl< From vranoch at centrum.cz Thu Jan 22 22:43:22 2004 From: vranoch at centrum.cz (vranoch@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Jan 22 22:44:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TX LEDs Message-ID: <20040122224327Z1594187-1381+22815@mail.centrum.cz> Hi! Do You guys anybody have few of the TX LEDs? I just can't get them. Some advise where to ask? thanx Vranoch From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Jan 23 09:37:02 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:39:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <001b01c3df3c$a2b04a40$0101a8c0@cz> <2644.194.228.85.242.1074593762.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> <001701c3e0d4$bafdf540$0101a8c0@cz> <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> Na RX fresnelku (plast) o prumeru 21cm zalozenou jako sendvic mezi dve 5mm skla a stahnute. Muzu s tim hejbat asi +-1mm aniz by se zmenila uroven signalu. Pak to zacina signal jen klesat. Ohniskova vzdalenost je 264mm . Martin OK1MJO alias -=RYS=- (in Counter-Strike servers) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > Rys: Jakou pouzivas cocku? > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > Projevuje se to i kdyz je RX bez optiky nebo jen s optikou? > > > > Bez i s optikou. > > > > > > > > > > Ohnisko patri kam? > > > > > > Vrchlik fotodiody, nebo cip? > > > > cip > > > > > Taky si myslim, ze by to melo byt velmi ostre, ale neni. A nevim proc. > > > > > > I kdyz je fakt ze ta linka ma 1.3km a funguje (teda kdyz neni mlha nebo > > > vanice) takze uplne blbe zamerene to snad nemam. > > > > > > > Hmm..tak mas na hovno cocku. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Jan 23 09:44:27 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:47:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP, SOSOVKY References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <20040119125605.GA11925@hydro> <002801c3df3c$f52859c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040121153655.GA31868@hydro> <20040121212518.C29039@beton.cybernet.src> <20040122145011.GD23232@hydro> <20040122150104.C1026@beton.cybernet.src> <20040122154739.GF23232@hydro> <20040122155756.C1234@beton.cybernet.src> <4010361F.7030705@host.sk> Message-ID: <003401c3e195$7e2d98c0$0101a8c0@cz> Sklenene cocky se daji koupit i normalne na kramu v CZE/SVK. Je to typ RB13G (G = glass/sklo , A = acrylic/plast) , sklenena ma mensi kulovou vadu. Pobocky Dioptry jsou i na Slovensku. Info na: http://www.dioptra.cz/index.php?J=1&L=24&K=1618 http://www.dioptra.cz/obr/D032.jpg Normalne jim zavolej a bud objednej nebo se zeptej na nejblizsiho prodejce v tvem meste. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:44 PM Subject: [Ronja] TP, SOSOVKY > Mam otazocku, > neviem sa k tomu dopatrat tak ma ospravedlnte ak sa pytam znamu vec. > > Aka ma byt priblizne vzdialenost SOSOVKY (cocky od LEDky? > Chcel by som to vediet este pred postavenim ronje aby som vedel s cim > mam ratat. > A aku vobec mam sosovku hladat? Lebo ked som prisiel do optiky tak sa na > mna pozerali ako cvoci - ani som nevedel co chcem, len som vedel, ze to > ma mat priemer 130mm :) > > Dalsia vecicka - predpokladam, ze to bolo uz prediskutovavane vela krat, > ale neodpustim si to - skusal uz niekto realne v CR alebo na SK nasatid > TP interface? Su s tym nejake zavaznejsie problemy? S cim by som mal > zacat? TP alebo AUI? TP mi je osobne sympatickejsie, ale necham si > poradit. (kompikovanost modelovania, nejake dalsie halusky > > dakujem > > Marcel Hecko > maco > www.blava.net > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 23 11:23:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jan 23 11:23:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:37:02AM +0100 References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <001b01c3df3c$a2b04a40$0101a8c0@cz> <2644.194.228.85.242.1074593762.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> <001701c3e0d4$bafdf540$0101a8c0@cz> <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040123112351.B649@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:37:02AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Na RX fresnelku (plast) o prumeru 21cm zalozenou jako sendvic mezi dve 5mm > skla a stahnute. Odkud je ta fresnelka? Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Jan 23 12:44:57 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Jan 23 12:47:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart> <004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz> <200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <001b01c3df3c$a2b04a40$0101a8c0@cz> <2644.194.228.85.242.1074593762.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> <001701c3e0d4$bafdf540$0101a8c0@cz> <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> <20040123112351.B649@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001001c3e1ae$b58d47c0$0101a8c0@cz> Od optika u nas na namesti. Jinak na www.illuminati.cz . Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:37:02AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Na RX fresnelku (plast) o prumeru 21cm zalozenou jako sendvic mezi dve 5mm > > skla a stahnute. > > Odkud je ta fresnelka? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 23 17:18:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:18:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 78M05 Message-ID: <20040123171803.A1380@beton.cybernet.src> Hello 78M05 and MA7805 have been added into equivalents of 7805 in transmitter. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Jan 23 18:28:50 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Jan 23 18:39:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 78M05 In-Reply-To: <20040123171803.A1380@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040123171803.A1380@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200401231928.50889.ladmanj@volny.cz> Ovsem MA7805 je pouze v TO3 pouzdru, coz je dnes uz trosku obsolete a 78M05 je v DPAKu coz se hodi na smd tistak, ale moc ne pro vrabci hnizdo. Myslim, ze v tomhle bys mohl ze sve peclivosti ustoupit, pokud bys tam chtel vyjmenovat vsechny ekvivalenty nabral by seznam obludne rozmery. Jakub Ladman On Friday 23 of January 2004 18:18, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Hello > > 78M05 and MA7805 have been added into equivalents of 7805 in transmitter. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 23 19:27:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jan 23 19:27:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 78M05 In-Reply-To: <200401231928.50889.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 07:28:50PM +0100 References: <20040123171803.A1380@beton.cybernet.src> <200401231928.50889.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040123192741.A3770@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 07:28:50PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Ovsem MA7805 je pouze v TO3 pouzdru, coz je dnes uz trosku obsolete a 78M05 > je v DPAKu coz se hodi na smd tistak, ale moc ne pro vrabci hnizdo. Donutil jsi me vyndat fotak. http://images.twibright.com/tns/d4e.html > Myslim, ze v tomhle bys mohl ze sve peclivosti ustoupit, pokud bys tam chtel > vyjmenovat vsechny ekvivalenty nabral by seznam obludne rozmery. Ja bych spis doporucil ustoupit tobe, protoze obludnych rozmeru by nabral tenhle mailing list, kdyby se tu prezentovaly vsechny mozny dvojice nepravdivych tvrzeni, ktere lze o soucastkach v Ronje se vyskytujicich prohlasit. BTW navic 78M05 neni ekvivalent k 7805, 7805 ma vystupni proudove omezeni nastavene na 1.5A a 78M05 na 0.5A. Cl< > Jakub Ladman > > On Friday 23 of January 2004 18:18, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > Hello > > > > 78M05 and MA7805 have been added into equivalents of 7805 in transmitter. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jan.martinu at post.cz Sat Jan 24 00:08:48 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Sat Jan 24 00:02:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 78M05 In-Reply-To: <20040123192741.A3770@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040123171803.A1380@beton.cybernet.src> <200401231928.50889.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040123192741.A3770@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200401240108.48538.jan.martinu@post.cz> Dne p? 23. ledna 2004 20:27 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 07:28:50PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Ovsem MA7805 je pouze v TO3 pouzdru, coz je dnes uz trosku obsolete a > > 78M05 je v DPAKu coz se hodi na smd tistak, ale moc ne pro vrabci hnizdo. > > Donutil jsi me vyndat fotak. > http://images.twibright.com/tns/d4e.html > Hezky, ale je fakt, ze MA7805 se bezne vyrabel v TO3, v provedeni TO220 ho na tve fotce vidim poprve - navic je to stejne jedno, Tesla ho uz nevyrabi. Verze 78M05 existuje jak v pouzdre TO220, tak v DPAK. Pismeno oznacuje jiz zmineny max. proud. From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Jan 24 00:01:50 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Jan 24 00:15:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 78M05 In-Reply-To: <20040123192741.A3770@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040123171803.A1380@beton.cybernet.src> <200401231928.50889.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040123192741.A3770@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200401240101.50938.ladmanj@volny.cz> Omlouvam se, nebyl to pokus o flame. Dukazy jsou presvedcive. 1) priznavam, nemel jsem tuseni, ze tesla delala stablik i v TO220. 2) Je to (radsi napisu mozna) asi odlisnost u vyrobce, ale mam skutecne zkusenost, ze 78M05 je v DPAKu, proudove omezeni vzdy odpovida take typu pouzdra. 3) "ladmanovo_tvrzeni" je pekne osklive. Ja bych v podobne situaci napsal neco jako "zli_jazykove_tvrdi" nebo pod. :-D 4) co bych ze sveho nazoru ponechal beze zmeny je to, ze neni nutne vypisovat kazdy typ od kazdeho vyrobce specielne u stabliku. U tranzistoru, kde malo kdo ma odpovidajici zarizeni k porovnani parametru je to pochopitelne vec trochu jina. 5) Prosim napriste neber moje prispevky a priori jako utok, treba jsem jen grafoman a nebo jen mam rad diskuzi, pri ktere se taky neco dozvim. Jsem zvykly treba z hw-news, ze plky se proste objevuji a mezi nimi jsou stripky pravdy. Jakub Ladman On Friday 23 of January 2004 20:27, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 07:28:50PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Ovsem MA7805 je pouze v TO3 pouzdru, coz je dnes uz trosku obsolete a > > 78M05 je v DPAKu coz se hodi na smd tistak, ale moc ne pro vrabci hnizdo. > > Donutil jsi me vyndat fotak. > http://images.twibright.com/tns/d4e.html > > > Myslim, ze v tomhle bys mohl ze sve peclivosti ustoupit, pokud bys tam > > chtel vyjmenovat vsechny ekvivalenty nabral by seznam obludne rozmery. > > Ja bych spis doporucil ustoupit tobe, protoze obludnych rozmeru by nabral > tenhle mailing list, kdyby se tu prezentovaly vsechny mozny dvojice > nepravdivych tvrzeni, ktere lze o soucastkach v Ronje se vyskytujicich > prohlasit. > > BTW navic 78M05 neni ekvivalent k 7805, 7805 ma vystupni proudove omezeni > nastavene na 1.5A a 78M05 na 0.5A. > > Cl< > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > On Friday 23 of January 2004 18:18, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > > Hello > > > > > > 78M05 and MA7805 have been added into equivalents of 7805 in > > > transmitter. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Sat Jan 24 18:49:35 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sat Jan 24 18:49:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] VCC In-Reply-To: <200401240108.48538.jan.martinu@post.cz> References: <20040123171803.A1380@beton.cybernet.src> <200401231928.50889.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040123192741.A3770@beton.cybernet.src> <200401240108.48538.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <4012BE3F.1090804@host.sk> Co znamena na cschemach od Silvije a ostatnych schemach tiez "VCC" ?? Sorry za blbu otazku Maco From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Jan 26 12:43:37 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Jan 26 12:49:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] VCC In-Reply-To: <4012BE3F.1090804@host.sk> References: <20040123171803.A1380@beton.cybernet.src> <200401240108.48538.jan.martinu@post.cz> <4012BE3F.1090804@host.sk> Message-ID: <200401261343.37776.ladmanj@volny.cz> Urcite mne zase nekdo opravi :-D Jiste vim, ze je to sbernice kladneho napajeciho polu. Symbol Vcc je, pokud jsem to dobre pochopil v dnesni dobe lehce archaicky, resp. nevhodne pouzivany, neb znamena Voltage Collector Collector (napeti spolecne pro kolektory tranzistoru, podobne Vee je Voltage Emiter Emiter, Vdd - Voltage Drain Drain a Vss - Voltage Substrat Substrat. Pouzivani stale stejneho symbolu Vcc je zavadejici prave kvuli smisenemu pouzivani soucastek s tranzistory jak bipolarnimi, tak rizenymi polem. Lepsi by bylo napajeci sbernici oznacit primo jeji napetovou urovni. Jakub Ladman On Saturday 24 of January 2004 19:49, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Co znamena na cschemach od Silvije a ostatnych schemach tiez "VCC" ?? > > Sorry za blbu otazku > > Maco > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 26 19:54:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jan 26 19:55:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] VCC In-Reply-To: <200401261343.37776.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 01:43:37PM +0100 References: <20040123171803.A1380@beton.cybernet.src> <200401240108.48538.jan.martinu@post.cz> <4012BE3F.1090804@host.sk> <200401261343.37776.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040126195457.B7400@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 01:43:37PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Urcite mne zase nekdo opravi :-D Jo to mi pripomina ze bych mohl tu galerii zlikvidovat... ;-) Cl< From bart at jinak.cz Mon Jan 26 20:57:50 2004 From: bart at jinak.cz (Norbert Buldra) Date: Mon Jan 26 20:57:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart><004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz><200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz><001b01c3df3c$a2b04a40$0101a8c0@cz><2644.194.228.85.242.1074593762.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz><001701c3e0d4$bafdf540$0101a8c0@cz><20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src><001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz><20040123112351.B649@beton.cybernet.src> <001001c3e1ae$b58d47c0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <001101c3e44f$0f7c0080$01816d0a@bart> Diky vsem za ruzne rady :) jen jeste jedna otazka, jak je to s moznosti poskozeni zraku? Kdyz ta infra ronja bude mirit treba nekam na balkon, muze to vadit? BArt From clock at twibright.com Mon Jan 26 22:46:12 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Jan 26 22:46:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <001101c3e44f$0f7c0080$01816d0a@bart>; from bart@jinak.cz on Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 09:57:50PM +0100 References: <002901c3de17$59c62dc0$01816d0a@bart><004501c3de83$a761ea80$0101a8c0@cz><200401191333.53886.zapadlo@melzer.cz><001b01c3df3c$a2b04a40$0101a8c0@cz><2644.194.228.85.242.1074593762.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz><001701c3e0d4$bafdf540$0101a8c0@cz><20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src><001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz><20040123112351.B649@beton.cybernet.src> <001001c3e1ae$b58d47c0$0101a8c0@cz> <001101c3e44f$0f7c0080$01816d0a@bart> Message-ID: <20040126224612.A288@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 09:57:50PM +0100, Norbert Buldra wrote: > Diky vsem za ruzne rady :) jen jeste jedna otazka, jak je to s moznosti > poskozeni zraku? Kdyz ta infra ronja bude mirit treba nekam na balkon, muze > to vadit? Z formalniho hlediska to resi vyhlaska 480/2000 Sb., odkaz na ni ze stranky Ronji. Tam je i vzorecek specialne pro blizke infracervene pasmo. Z neformalniho: Ronja 115 Loopipe byla infra a jeden z duvodu proc jsem infra zrusil a uz se k nemu nevratil byl neustaly neprijemny pocit, ze clovek nevi, do ceho se kouka. A uz vubec ne, kdyz nekdo zvedavy vezme dalekohled a zacne pozorne uprenym soustredenym zrakem studovat "to podivne zarizeni, ktere je namontovane tamhle na strese", neveda, ze stoji primo ve svazku ;-) To se pak blbe pocita bezpecnost jeho zraku podle vyhlasky, kdyz clovek jaksi nema z ceho odvodit, jakou svetelnost a jake zvetseni bude mit dalekohled, kterym se nam do toho potencialni obet podiva. Jina vec je, kdyz to sviti cervene. To se pak redukuje na castecne zakryty cerveny slunecni kotouc pri zapadu Slunce, s kterym lidstvo pravidelne a masove obcuje uz bratru dobrych milion a pul let, a neni mi znamo, ze by si za tu dobu na Slunce nekdo z hlediska ochrany zraku stezoval ;-) Cl< From xkutale1 at fi.muni.cz Tue Jan 27 00:28:17 2004 From: xkutale1 at fi.muni.cz (David Kutalek) Date: Tue Jan 27 00:28:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Anyone tried to use large mirror for receiver? Message-ID: <4015B0A1.3080506@fi.muni.cz> Hi, anyone tried to use big concave mirror to collect more light from transmitter? I know such a mirror of astronomic quality is hard/expensive to get, but maybe this quality is not neccessary? I mean, chinese magnifier is also piece of crap... It is possible to make custom parabolic dish at home. It is possible to buy inexpensive plastic sheet layer with reflection 98% (according to specs from manufacturer). Than the focus point will be somewhat big (according to how precisely you are working), but it can be solved with that chines magnifier - is it right? Then maybe we can grab signal from 0.5 m^2. Can it help to increase the maximal distance of the link? Another question, would better optics at transmitter, which allow more narrow beam of light, be usefull for longer distances? Kuty From hwsoft at penguin.cz Tue Jan 27 08:13:12 2004 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Tue Jan 27 08:13:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Anyone tried to use large mirror for receiver? In-Reply-To: <4015B0A1.3080506@fi.muni.cz> References: <4015B0A1.3080506@fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: <20040127081312.GC22307@mail.ignum.cz> David Kutalek pise: > Hi, > > anyone tried to use big concave mirror to collect more light from > transmitter? I know such a mirror of astronomic quality is > hard/expensive to get, but maybe this quality is not neccessary? I mean, > chinese magnifier is also piece of crap... Yes, our project DesSto use the Newton telescope, and on forum http://www.lbcfree.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=128&highlight= you can see its principle. -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From maco at host.sk Tue Jan 27 13:13:50 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Jan 27 13:13:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LEDky inej farby In-Reply-To: <20040127081312.GC22307@mail.ignum.cz> References: <4015B0A1.3080506@fi.muni.cz> <20040127081312.GC22307@mail.ignum.cz> Message-ID: <4016640E.4010705@host.sk> Skusal niekto implementovat LEDky roznych farieb? Napr osobne si myslim, ze modra ledka by mohla mat lepsie valstnosti ako cervena. Pripadne zelena, ale hlavne mi ide o tu modru. MOdre LEDky som kedysi skusal na ine projekty a je ich vidiet na naozaj velku vzdialenost aj bez pouzitia sosviek. PS: Moze mi niekto prosim vysvetlit ako velmi sa odlisuju zenerove diody od klasickych? Vdaka. Maco From jan.martinu at post.cz Tue Jan 27 15:01:55 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Tue Jan 27 14:56:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LEDky inej farby In-Reply-To: <4016640E.4010705@host.sk> References: <4015B0A1.3080506@fi.muni.cz> <20040127081312.GC22307@mail.ignum.cz> <4016640E.4010705@host.sk> Message-ID: <200401271601.55805.jan.martinu@post.cz> Dne ?t 27. ledna 2004 14:13 Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > Skusal niekto implementovat LEDky roznych farieb? > Napr osobne si myslim, ze modra ledka by mohla mat lepsie valstnosti ako > cervena. Pripadne zelena, ale hlavne mi ide o tu modru. MOdre LEDky som > kedysi skusal na ine projekty a je ich vidiet na naozaj velku > vzdialenost aj bez pouzitia sosviek. > > PS: Moze mi niekto prosim vysvetlit ako velmi sa odlisuju zenerove diody > od klasickych? Vdaka. > > Maco Zalezi na tom, jestli by pro stejnou vlnovou delku (te modre LED) 1) byl k dispozici prijimaci prvek, 2) jaky by mela atmosfera utlum. Z praktickeho hlediska: zenerova dioda se pouziva jako stabilizator napeti (proto se u ni uvadi zenerovo napeti), klasicka dioda jako usmernovac (to ovsem neznamena, ze je nelze pouzit i jinak) From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 27 18:37:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:37:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Anyone tried to use large mirror for receiver? In-Reply-To: <20040127081312.GC22307@mail.ignum.cz>; from hwsoft@penguin.cz on Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 09:13:12AM +0100 References: <4015B0A1.3080506@fi.muni.cz> <20040127081312.GC22307@mail.ignum.cz> Message-ID: <20040127183704.A425@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 09:13:12AM +0100, Petr Lascak wrote: > David Kutalek pise: > > Hi, > > > > anyone tried to use big concave mirror to collect more light from > > transmitter? I know such a mirror of astronomic quality is > > hard/expensive to get, but maybe this quality is not neccessary? I mean, > > chinese magnifier is also piece of crap... > > Yes, our project DesSto use the Newton telescope, and on forum > http://www.lbcfree.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=128&highlight= > you can see its principle. Is Dessto a free-source project? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 27 18:44:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:44:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LEDky inej farby In-Reply-To: <4016640E.4010705@host.sk>; from maco@host.sk on Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 02:13:50PM +0100 References: <4015B0A1.3080506@fi.muni.cz> <20040127081312.GC22307@mail.ignum.cz> <4016640E.4010705@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040127184449.B434@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 02:13:50PM +0100, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Skusal niekto implementovat LEDky roznych farieb? > Napr osobne si myslim, ze modra ledka by mohla mat lepsie valstnosti ako > cervena. Pripadne zelena, ale hlavne mi ide o tu modru. MOdre LEDky som > kedysi skusal na ine projekty a je ich vidiet na naozaj velku > vzdialenost aj bez pouzitia sosviek. > > PS: Moze mi niekto prosim vysvetlit ako velmi sa odlisuju zenerove diody > od klasickych? Vdaka. Zenerove diody jsou jako obycejne diody az na to ze kdyz se zapoji obracene tak misto aby nevedly tak do urciteho napeti nevedou a od toho napeti najednou zacnou vyst. Tohle napeti je pak udavany u ty zenerky. Cl< From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Tue Jan 27 19:07:22 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?us-ascii?Q?Gullik_Webjorn?=) Date: Tue Jan 27 19:06:58 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Anyone tried to use large mirror for receiver? In-Reply-To: <4015B0A1.3080506@fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: I once tried with a cosmetic mirror, these are frequently sold in supermarkets, and have one plane and one concave mirror. The problem is of course to match the focal length to a suitable LED / PIN. Mine had a focal length of about 500 mm and dia of 150 mm, so except for the mechanics ( long optic head). The surface curvature precision is probably not so good on a "makeup mirror". Give it a try, after all getting all the light on a small area far away is the whole trick for long distance. Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For David Kutalek Skickat: den 27 januari 2004 01:28 Till: ronja@lists.pointless.net Amne: [Ronja] Anyone tried to use large mirror for receiver? Hi, anyone tried to use big concave mirror to collect more light from transmitter? I know such a mirror of astronomic quality is hard/expensive to get, but maybe this quality is not neccessary? I mean, chinese magnifier is also piece of crap... It is possible to make custom parabolic dish at home. It is possible to buy inexpensive plastic sheet layer with reflection 98% (according to specs from manufacturer). Than the focus point will be somewhat big (according to how precisely you are working), but it can be solved with that chines magnifier - is it right? Then maybe we can grab signal from 0.5 m^2. Can it help to increase the maximal distance of the link? Another question, would better optics at transmitter, which allow more narrow beam of light, be usefull for longer distances? Kuty _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 27 19:08:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jan 27 19:08:52 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Anyone tried to use large mirror for receiver? In-Reply-To: ; from gullik.webjorn@flysta.net on Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 08:07:22PM +0100 References: <4015B0A1.3080506@fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: <20040127190850.A30753@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 08:07:22PM +0100, Gullik Webjorn wrote: > I once tried with a cosmetic mirror, these are frequently sold > in supermarkets, and have one plane and one concave mirror. > > The problem is of course to match the focal length to a suitable > LED / PIN. Mine had a focal length of about 500 mm and dia of 150 mm, > so except for the mechanics ( long optic head). The surface curvature > precision is probably not so good on a "makeup mirror". How big was the smallest focus spot you were able to get from it? Cl< From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Tue Jan 27 20:11:20 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?us-ascii?Q?Gullik_Webjorn?=) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:11:06 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] Anyone tried to use large mirror for receiver? In-Reply-To: <20040127190850.A30753@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Cannot remember doing any serious experiments, just that it was possible to focus the sun on a piece of wood, and get it to burn. I had it in the basement, but never used it for any optical link, since it had such a large focal length, so the mechanics would be impractical. This was in 1988 or so when we experimented with laser links here in Sweden. Since you are asking, I will need to buy one tomorrow, and try to focus a "small" lightsource, and understand its optical performance. Rgds, Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For Karel Kulhavy Skickat: den 27 januari 2004 20:09 Till: Twibright Ronja Amne: Re: SV: [Ronja] Anyone tried to use large mirror for receiver? On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 08:07:22PM +0100, Gullik Webjorn wrote: > I once tried with a cosmetic mirror, these are frequently sold > in supermarkets, and have one plane and one concave mirror. > > The problem is of course to match the focal length to a suitable > LED / PIN. Mine had a focal length of about 500 mm and dia of 150 mm, > so except for the mechanics ( long optic head). The surface curvature > precision is probably not so good on a "makeup mirror". How big was the smallest focus spot you were able to get from it? Cl< _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Jan 27 20:28:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:28:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja opet odborna pomoc In-Reply-To: ; from b00lean@b00lean.net on Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 09:19:40PM +0100 References: <20040127184316.A434@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040127202854.C1147@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 09:19:40PM +0100, b00lean wrote: > Ok diky, > Jeste me napadla jedna vec. > Myslis ze na vyhrivani lze pouzit zdroj z jiz pritomenoh atxoveho routeru? > Resp. pripojit ho hdd napajecim konektorem? Nepotece tam moc velkej proud? Proud tam velkej nepotece ale konstrukce vyhrivani neni delana nijak chranena proti zkratu. Takze zkrat tam muze nastat (urvat se drat a neceho se dotknout a podobne). Ten zdroj je pri svym vykonu schopnej neco zapalit takze je treba do serie tomu dat primerenou tavnou pojistku. Cl< From hwsoft at penguin.cz Wed Jan 28 08:31:15 2004 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Wed Jan 28 08:31:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Anyone tried to use large mirror for receiver? In-Reply-To: <20040127183704.A425@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4015B0A1.3080506@fi.muni.cz> <20040127081312.GC22307@mail.ignum.cz> <20040127183704.A425@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040128083114.GA18192@mail.ignum.cz> Karel Kulhav? pise: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 09:13:12AM +0100, Petr Lascak wrote: > > David Kutalek pise: > > > Hi, > > > > > > anyone tried to use big concave mirror to collect more light from > > > transmitter? I know such a mirror of astronomic quality is > > > hard/expensive to get, but maybe this quality is not neccessary? I mean, > > > chinese magnifier is also piece of crap... > > > > Yes, our project DesSto use the Newton telescope, and on forum > > http://www.lbcfree.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=128&highlight= > > you can see its principle. > > Is Dessto a free-source project? Yes it is, but today is not made any documentation for free. But, of course, first buyer with DesSto obtain all documentation. After this, we open all documentation on ours WEB pages. -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From vranoch at centrum.cz Wed Jan 28 21:09:04 2004 From: vranoch at centrum.cz (vranoch@centrum.cz) Date: Wed Jan 28 21:10:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TX leds Message-ID: <20040128210920Z1596557-27963+11062@mail.centrum.cz> Ahoj! Uz s tim otravuju po nekolikate. Mate prosim nekdo nejaky zdroj na TX ledky (treba krabici v supliku)? Nebo z ceho to vsichni stavite. dik za info nebo kontakt. Honza -------------------- Dejte sv?mu star?mu telefonu kopa?ky! SIEMENS C62 od 1977 K? www.oskar.cz http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/hs_view1.php3?nob=1&lang=cz&hs_id=75&ii=1 From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Jan 28 21:29:49 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Jan 28 21:29:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TX leds References: <20040128210920Z1596557-27963+11062@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <00b501c3e5e5$dc0c2200$4880280a@DAVID> Hmm... asi vsichni vi, jen my ne.... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: [Ronja] TX leds > Ahoj! > > Uz s tim otravuju po nekolikate. Mate prosim nekdo nejaky zdroj na TX ledky (treba krabici v supliku)? Nebo z ceho to vsichni stavite. > > dik za info nebo kontakt. > > Honza > > -------------------- > Dejte sv?mu star?mu telefonu kopa?ky! SIEMENS C62 od 1977 K? www.oskar.cz > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/hs_vi ew1.php3?nob=1&lang=cz&hs_id=75&ii=1 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From dj_boy at seznam.cz Wed Jan 28 21:31:34 2004 From: dj_boy at seznam.cz (DJ_BOY) Date: Wed Jan 28 21:31:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TX leds References: <20040128210920Z1596557-27963+11062@mail.centrum.cz> <00b501c3e5e5$dc0c2200$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <001e01c3e5e6$1dba1900$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Je nas vic co nevi....... :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedl??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TX leds Hmm... asi vsichni vi, jen my ne.... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: [Ronja] TX leds > Ahoj! > > Uz s tim otravuju po nekolikate. Mate prosim nekdo nejaky zdroj na TX ledky (treba krabici v supliku)? Nebo z ceho to vsichni stavite. > > dik za info nebo kontakt. > > Honza > > -------------------- > Dejte sv?mu star?mu telefonu kopa?ky! SIEMENS C62 od 1977 K? www.oskar.cz > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/hs_vi ew1.php3?nob=1&lang=cz&hs_id=75&ii=1 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ________ Information from NOD32 ________ Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. http://www.nod32.com From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Wed Jan 28 21:34:19 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Wed Jan 28 21:36:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TX leds In-Reply-To: <001e01c3e5e6$1dba1900$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> References: <20040128210920Z1596557-27963+11062@mail.centrum.cz> <00b501c3e5e5$dc0c2200$4880280a@DAVID> <001e01c3e5e6$1dba1900$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Message-ID: <40182ADB.50909@jkl.darktech.org> Koupil sem 10 ks od nekoho. Zbylo zatim 8. Budu ale jeste potrebovat. Takze tak 4 muzu vysetrit. Jako posledni moznost je poskytnu. Sem strasne linej...... -jkl- > Je nas vic co nevi....... :o) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Sedl??ek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] TX leds > > > Hmm... asi vsichni vi, jen my ne.... :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:09 PM > Subject: [Ronja] TX leds > > > >>Ahoj! >> >>Uz s tim otravuju po nekolikate. Mate prosim nekdo nejaky zdroj na TX > > ledky (treba krabici v supliku)? Nebo z ceho to vsichni stavite. > >>dik za info nebo kontakt. >> From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Jan 28 21:40:04 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Jan 28 21:40:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TX leds References: <20040128210920Z1596557-27963+11062@mail.centrum.cz> <00b501c3e5e5$dc0c2200$4880280a@DAVID><001e01c3e5e6$1dba1900$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> <40182ADB.50909@jkl.darktech.org> Message-ID: <00ca01c3e5e7$4a9439a0$4880280a@DAVID> Ja bych bral ihned, mohl bys poslat? 2 kusy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kleisner" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TX leds > Koupil sem 10 ks od nekoho. > Zbylo zatim 8. > Budu ale jeste potrebovat. > Takze tak 4 muzu vysetrit. > Jako posledni moznost je poskytnu. Sem strasne linej...... > -jkl- > > > Je nas vic co nevi....... :o) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Sedl??ek" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] TX leds > > > > > > Hmm... asi vsichni vi, jen my ne.... :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:09 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] TX leds > > > > > > > >>Ahoj! > >> > >>Uz s tim otravuju po nekolikate. Mate prosim nekdo nejaky zdroj na TX > > > > ledky (treba krabici v supliku)? Nebo z ceho to vsichni stavite. > > > >>dik za info nebo kontakt. > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Wed Jan 28 22:49:40 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Wed Jan 28 22:51:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TX leds In-Reply-To: <00ca01c3e5e7$4a9439a0$4880280a@DAVID> References: <20040128210920Z1596557-27963+11062@mail.centrum.cz> <00b501c3e5e5$dc0c2200$4880280a@DAVID><001e01c3e5e6$1dba1900$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> <40182ADB.50909@jkl.darktech.org> <00ca01c3e5e7$4a9439a0$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <40183C84.3010307@jkl.darktech.org> David Sedl??ek wrote: > Ja bych bral ihned, mohl bys poslat? 2 kusy > Kus me stal 30kc a byly mi prodany jako HPWT-BD00-E4000. Jsou drazsi jak inzulin .... ;-) Jsem z Prahy. From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Jan 29 09:10:01 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Thu Jan 29 09:10:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Using a Mirror instead of a Lens References: Message-ID: <31741.1075367401@www11.gmx.net> Hi ! Can anyone tell me, what is the "big" advantance of using a Mirror instead of a Lens for collecting/emmitting the light ? I?m not a optics - specialist, but in my understanding the only increasing of the optical power is defined by the percentage of light you can get from the sender to the reciever. That means to me that it doesn?t matter, if i use a 13cm lens or a 13 cm concave mirror as log as the other optical parameters are the same. Regards, Sigi -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More +++ Bis 31.1.: TopMail + Digicam f?r nur 29 EUR http://www.gmx.net/topmail From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Jan 29 09:26:38 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Jan 29 09:26:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200401291026.38961.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne p? 23. ledna 2004 10:37 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > Na RX fresnelku (plast) o prumeru 21cm zalozenou jako sendvic mezi dve 5mm > skla a stahnute. > > Muzu s tim hejbat asi +-1mm aniz by se zmenila uroven signalu. > Pak to zacina signal jen klesat. > Ohniskova vzdalenost je 264mm . > Diky za info. Jeste dotaz, zkousel jsi rozdil mezi touto fresnelkou a klasickou lupou 13cm? Nejaky ciselne vyjadreny rozdil v cemkoliv by nebyl? Diky S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Jan 29 12:01:38 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:04:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> <200401291026.38961.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz> Vzal jsem RX z Crusadra. 13cm klasicka sklenena lupa vs 13cm fresnelka na sklenene lupe signal - 750 na fresnelce signal - 766 Fresnelka je pri stejnem prumeru o neco (cca 6dB) silnejsi. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Zapadlo" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > Dne p? 23. ledna 2004 10:37 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > Na RX fresnelku (plast) o prumeru 21cm zalozenou jako sendvic mezi dve 5mm > > skla a stahnute. > > > > Muzu s tim hejbat asi +-1mm aniz by se zmenila uroven signalu. > > Pak to zacina signal jen klesat. > > Ohniskova vzdalenost je 264mm . > > > > Diky za info. > > Jeste dotaz, zkousel jsi rozdil mezi touto fresnelkou a klasickou lupou 13cm? > > Nejaky ciselne vyjadreny rozdil v cemkoliv by nebyl? > > > Diky > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 29 12:19:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:19:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 01:01:38PM +0100 References: <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> <200401291026.38961.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040129121934.B330@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 01:01:38PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Vzal jsem RX z Crusadra. Co ma Crusader za prijimaci diodu? Jakou ma ohniskovou vzdalenost lupa a jakou fresnelka? Cl< > 13cm klasicka sklenena lupa vs 13cm fresnelka > na sklenene lupe signal - 750 > na fresnelce signal - 766 > > Fresnelka je pri stejnem prumeru o neco (cca 6dB) silnejsi. > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Zapadlo" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > > > > Dne p?? 23. ledna 2004 10:37 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > Na RX fresnelku (plast) o prumeru 21cm zalozenou jako sendvic mezi dve > 5mm > > > skla a stahnute. > > > > > > Muzu s tim hejbat asi +-1mm aniz by se zmenila uroven signalu. > > > Pak to zacina signal jen klesat. > > > Ohniskova vzdalenost je 264mm . > > > > > > > Diky za info. > > > > Jeste dotaz, zkousel jsi rozdil mezi touto fresnelkou a klasickou lupou > 13cm? > > > > Nejaky ciselne vyjadreny rozdil v cemkoliv by nebyl? > > > > > > Diky > > > > S pozdravem > > -- > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > > vedouc?? odd??len?? syst??mov?? podpory > > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > > Doln?? 71, 796 01 Prost??jov > > tel: 582 330 301 > > fax: 582 330 302 > > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > > http://www.melzer.cz > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Jan 29 12:23:49 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:23:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz> References: <200401291026.38961.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200401291323.50084.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 29. ledna 2004 13:01 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > Vzal jsem RX z Crusadra. > 13cm klasicka sklenena lupa vs 13cm fresnelka > na sklenene lupe signal - 750 > na fresnelce signal - 766 > > Fresnelka je pri stejnem prumeru o neco (cca 6dB) silnejsi. > A rozdil mezi 13cm cockou a 21cm fresnelkou by nebyl? Diky moc S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Jan 29 12:52:05 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:55:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> <200401291026.38961.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz> <20040129121934.B330@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000801c3e666$b3312160$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 01:01:38PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Vzal jsem RX z Crusadra. > > Co ma Crusader za prijimaci diodu? pouzil jsem normalni SFH2030 (s urizlim vrchlikem) > > Jakou ma ohniskovou vzdalenost lupa a jakou fresnelka? Ta sklenena je klasika (rakos) cca 32cm a fresnelka cca 26cm > > Cl< > > 13cm klasicka sklenena lupa vs 13cm fresnelka > > na sklenene lupe signal - 750 > > na fresnelce signal - 766 > > > > Fresnelka je pri stejnem prumeru o neco (cca 6dB) silnejsi. > > > > Martin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Petr Zapadlo" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > > > > > > > Dne p?? 23. ledna 2004 10:37 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > > Na RX fresnelku (plast) o prumeru 21cm zalozenou jako sendvic mezi dve > > 5mm > > > > skla a stahnute. > > > > > > > > Muzu s tim hejbat asi +-1mm aniz by se zmenila uroven signalu. > > > > Pak to zacina signal jen klesat. > > > > Ohniskova vzdalenost je 264mm . > > > > > > > > > > Diky za info. > > > > > > Jeste dotaz, zkousel jsi rozdil mezi touto fresnelkou a klasickou lupou > > 13cm? > > > > > > Nejaky ciselne vyjadreny rozdil v cemkoliv by nebyl? > > > > > > > > > Diky > > > > > > S pozdravem > > > -- > > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > > > > > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > > > vedouc?? odd??len?? syst??mov?? podpory > > > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > > > Doln?? 71, 796 01 Prost??jov > > > tel: 582 330 301 > > > fax: 582 330 302 > > > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > > > http://www.melzer.cz > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Jan 29 12:53:36 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:56:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <200401291026.38961.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz> <200401291323.50084.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c3e666$e903d120$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Zapadlo" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > Dne ?t 29. ledna 2004 13:01 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > Vzal jsem RX z Crusadra. > > 13cm klasicka sklenena lupa vs 13cm fresnelka > > na sklenene lupe signal - 750 > > na fresnelce signal - 766 > > > > Fresnelka je pri stejnem prumeru o neco (cca 6dB) silnejsi. > > > > > A rozdil mezi 13cm cockou a 21cm fresnelkou by nebyl? Tak to jsem nezkousel , ale to si pis ze bude a velkej. Jakmile mi dojdou objednane TZA RX obvody, tak to testnu.... Martin > > > Diky moc > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Jan 29 12:57:42 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Jan 29 13:00:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <200401291026.38961.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz> <200401291323.50084.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <001801c3e667$7b9ccf00$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Zapadlo" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > Dne ?t 29. ledna 2004 13:01 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > Vzal jsem RX z Crusadra. > > 13cm klasicka sklenena lupa vs 13cm fresnelka > > na sklenene lupe signal - 750 > > na fresnelce signal - 766 > > > > Fresnelka je pri stejnem prumeru o neco (cca 6dB) silnejsi. > > > > > A rozdil mezi 13cm cockou a 21cm fresnelkou by nebyl? Jeste doplnim jedno info. Zvetsovaci lupa na bazi zrcadla je cca 4x mene vykona nez klasicka lupa pri stejnem prumeru. Fresnel-cocka je cca 3x vykonejsi nez klasicka lupa pri stejnem prumeru. Tudiz je jesne, ze nejlepsi je pouzit fresnel cocku. Ale jen pro RX. Jsem to tak i testoval na astronomickem dalekohledu. Martin > > > Diky moc > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Thu Jan 29 14:05:19 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Thu Jan 29 14:05:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TX leds References: <20040128210920Z1596557-27963+11062@mail.centrum.cz> <00b501c3e5e5$dc0c2200$4880280a@DAVID><001e01c3e5e6$1dba1900$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> <40182ADB.50909@jkl.darktech.org><00ca01c3e5e7$4a9439a0$4880280a@DAVID> <40183C84.3010307@jkl.darktech.org> Message-ID: <035601c3e670$eddfd220$4880280a@DAVID> A byl bys ochoten poslat dva kusy? Na dobirku? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kleisner" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TX leds > David Sedl??ek wrote: > > Ja bych bral ihned, mohl bys poslat? 2 kusy > > > Kus me stal 30kc a byly mi prodany jako HPWT-BD00-E4000. Jsou drazsi jak > inzulin .... ;-) > > Jsem z Prahy. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 29 16:10:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 29 16:10:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <000801c3e666$b3312160$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 01:52:05PM +0100 References: <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> <200401291026.38961.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz> <20040129121934.B330@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3e666$b3312160$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040129161001.B1241@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 01:52:05PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 01:01:38PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Vzal jsem RX z Crusadra. > > > > Co ma Crusader za prijimaci diodu? > > pouzil jsem normalni SFH2030 (s urizlim vrchlikem) A jak si vede fresnelka vs. normalni cocka na puvodnim vrchliku? Cl< > > > > > Jakou ma ohniskovou vzdalenost lupa a jakou fresnelka? > > Ta sklenena je klasika (rakos) cca 32cm a fresnelka cca 26cm > > > > > > Cl< > > > 13cm klasicka sklenena lupa vs 13cm fresnelka > > > na sklenene lupe signal - 750 > > > na fresnelce signal - 766 > > > > > > Fresnelka je pri stejnem prumeru o neco (cca 6dB) silnejsi. > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Petr Zapadlo" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > > > > > > > > > > Dne p?? 23. ledna 2004 10:37 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > > > Na RX fresnelku (plast) o prumeru 21cm zalozenou jako sendvic mezi > dve > > > 5mm > > > > > skla a stahnute. > > > > > > > > > > Muzu s tim hejbat asi +-1mm aniz by se zmenila uroven signalu. > > > > > Pak to zacina signal jen klesat. > > > > > Ohniskova vzdalenost je 264mm . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diky za info. > > > > > > > > Jeste dotaz, zkousel jsi rozdil mezi touto fresnelkou a klasickou > lupou > > > 13cm? > > > > > > > > Nejaky ciselne vyjadreny rozdil v cemkoliv by nebyl? > > > > > > > > > > > > Diky > > > > > > > > S pozdravem > > > > -- > > > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > > > > > > > > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > > > > vedouc?? odd??len?? syst??mov?? podpory > > > > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > > > > Doln?? 71, 796 01 Prost??jov > > > > tel: 582 330 301 > > > > fax: 582 330 302 > > > > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > > > > http://www.melzer.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Jan 29 17:55:12 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Jan 29 17:58:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> <200401291026.38961.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz> <20040129121934.B330@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3e666$b3312160$0101a8c0@cz> <20040129161001.B1241@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000a01c3e691$0b36e820$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 01:52:05PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 01:01:38PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > Vzal jsem RX z Crusadra. > > > > > > Co ma Crusader za prijimaci diodu? > > > > pouzil jsem normalni SFH2030 (s urizlim vrchlikem) > > A jak si vede fresnelka vs. normalni cocka na puvodnim vrchliku? Fresnelka ma vetsi signal. Martin > > Cl< > > > > > > > > Jakou ma ohniskovou vzdalenost lupa a jakou fresnelka? > > > > Ta sklenena je klasika (rakos) cca 32cm a fresnelka cca 26cm > > > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > 13cm klasicka sklenena lupa vs 13cm fresnelka > > > > na sklenene lupe signal - 750 > > > > na fresnelce signal - 766 > > > > > > > > Fresnelka je pri stejnem prumeru o neco (cca 6dB) silnejsi. > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Petr Zapadlo" > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:26 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dne p?? 23. ledna 2004 10:37 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > > > > Na RX fresnelku (plast) o prumeru 21cm zalozenou jako sendvic mezi > > dve > > > > 5mm > > > > > > skla a stahnute. > > > > > > > > > > > > Muzu s tim hejbat asi +-1mm aniz by se zmenila uroven signalu. > > > > > > Pak to zacina signal jen klesat. > > > > > > Ohniskova vzdalenost je 264mm . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diky za info. > > > > > > > > > > Jeste dotaz, zkousel jsi rozdil mezi touto fresnelkou a klasickou > > lupou > > > > 13cm? > > > > > > > > > > Nejaky ciselne vyjadreny rozdil v cemkoliv by nebyl? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diky > > > > > > > > > > S pozdravem > > > > > -- > > > > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > > > > > vedouc?? odd??len?? syst??mov?? podpory > > > > > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > > > > > Doln?? 71, 796 01 Prost??jov > > > > > tel: 582 330 301 > > > > > fax: 582 330 302 > > > > > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > > > > > http://www.melzer.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Jan 29 18:06:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Jan 29 18:06:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja In-Reply-To: <000a01c3e691$0b36e820$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 06:55:12PM +0100 References: <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> <200401291026.38961.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz> <20040129121934.B330@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3e666$b3312160$0101a8c0@cz> <20040129161001.B1241@beton.cybernet.src> <000a01c3e691$0b36e820$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040129180609.A387@beton.cybernet.src> > > > pouzil jsem normalni SFH2030 (s urizlim vrchlikem) > > > > A jak si vede fresnelka vs. normalni cocka na puvodnim vrchliku? > > Fresnelka ma vetsi signal. O kolik? Co je zac ta sklenena cocka? Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Jan 29 18:38:07 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Jan 29 18:41:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra Ronja References: <20040122105406.B783@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3e194$74f79d60$0101a8c0@cz> <200401291026.38961.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <000701c3e65f$a6d40420$0101a8c0@cz> <20040129121934.B330@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3e666$b3312160$0101a8c0@cz> <20040129161001.B1241@beton.cybernet.src> <000a01c3e691$0b36e820$0101a8c0@cz> <20040129180609.A387@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000901c3e697$09b7da80$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Infra Ronja > > > > pouzil jsem normalni SFH2030 (s urizlim vrchlikem) > > > > > > A jak si vede fresnelka vs. normalni cocka na puvodnim vrchliku? > > > > Fresnelka ma vetsi signal. > > O kolik? Co je zac ta sklenena cocka? Uz jsem odpovidal vcera: obe cocky 130mm, prijmac s TZA: RSSI 750 vs 766 (infra dioda na 20m, TX 130mm sklenena klasicka) Sklenena cocka z www.dioptra.cz je presne ta co prodavaj vietnamci. Ale Dioptra nabizi mimo plastaku i sklenenou cocku. RSSI na Crusaderu je logaritmicky. PS: pri laseru jsem mel na RSSI 980 a pri cervene LED F4000 byl signal 730 to jen pro ilustraci > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From dj_boy at seznam.cz Thu Jan 29 18:43:23 2004 From: dj_boy at seznam.cz (DJ_BOY) Date: Thu Jan 29 18:43:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TX leds References: <20040128210920Z1596557-27963+11062@mail.centrum.cz> <00b501c3e5e5$dc0c2200$4880280a@DAVID><001e01c3e5e6$1dba1900$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> <40182ADB.50909@jkl.darktech.org> Message-ID: <001301c3e697$ccd6df70$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Nemohl bys napsat kontakt na toho od koho si koupil tech 10 kousku ? My jich prave 10 potrebujeme :) Dik. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kleisner" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TX leds > Koupil sem 10 ks od nekoho. > Zbylo zatim 8. > Budu ale jeste potrebovat. > Takze tak 4 muzu vysetrit. > Jako posledni moznost je poskytnu. Sem strasne linej...... > -jkl- > > > Je nas vic co nevi....... :o) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Sedl??ek" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] TX leds > > > > > > Hmm... asi vsichni vi, jen my ne.... :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:09 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] TX leds > > > > > > > >>Ahoj! > >> > >>Uz s tim otravuju po nekolikate. Mate prosim nekdo nejaky zdroj na TX > > > > ledky (treba krabici v supliku)? Nebo z ceho to vsichni stavite. > > > >>dik za info nebo kontakt. > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > ________ Information from NOD32 ________ > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From polous at katka.biz Thu Jan 29 20:10:42 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Jan 29 20:09:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX & TX & Eagle 4.11 References: <40051927.4090004@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <001001c3e6a3$faca3740$4805150a@kalvak> Ahoj, Koukal sem na verze 0.1 a neco mi nejni jasne: TX schema mi pripadne nekompletni - nemuzu vycist hodnoty R1-R8, R10, R11 a kam vedou prazdne vyvody paralelni k 74HC04N... U RX akorat nevim C21. U RX a TX pak este L1 (predpokladam, ze civky) ... jake ? daji se nejak vyrobit ? jo ... Nenechali ste si je vyrobit nahodou u p. Kohouta ve strasnicich ? :) Dekuji za pomoc pOlOus polous@katka.biz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Simandl" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: [Ronja] RX & TX & Eagle 4.11 > Ahoj, > pokud to nekomu pomuze tak Pepa prekreslil schemata RX a TX > do Eaglu. Najdete tam i plosnaky ale ty jsme teprve dali vyrobit > takze nevime jestli chodi. > > If anybody will find it usefull then there is a RX and TX schematic > in Eagle from Pepa. You can find there PCB as well but we have > not build it yet so it is not sure if it will work. > > Vse najdete na/You can get it on > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > > hezky den/have a nice day > Sima > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Thu Jan 29 20:23:06 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Sedl=E1cek?=) Date: Thu Jan 29 20:23:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX & TX & Eagle 4.11 References: <40051927.4090004@mujmail.cz> <001001c3e6a3$faca3740$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <000e01c3e6a5$b4eed850$4880280a@DAVID> Mam stejnej problem.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RX & TX & Eagle 4.11 > Ahoj, > > Koukal sem na verze 0.1 a neco mi nejni jasne: > > TX schema mi pripadne nekompletni - nemuzu vycist hodnoty R1-R8, R10, R11 a > kam vedou prazdne vyvody paralelni k 74HC04N... > > U RX akorat nevim C21. > > U RX a TX pak este L1 (predpokladam, ze civky) ... jake ? daji se nejak > vyrobit ? > > jo ... Nenechali ste si je vyrobit nahodou u p. Kohouta ve strasnicich ? :) > > Dekuji za pomoc > pOlOus > polous@katka.biz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Simandl" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:25 AM > Subject: [Ronja] RX & TX & Eagle 4.11 > > > > Ahoj, > > pokud to nekomu pomuze tak Pepa prekreslil schemata RX a TX > > do Eaglu. Najdete tam i plosnaky ale ty jsme teprve dali vyrobit > > takze nevime jestli chodi. > > > > If anybody will find it usefull then there is a RX and TX schematic > > in Eagle from Pepa. You can find there PCB as well but we have > > not build it yet so it is not sure if it will work. > > > > Vse najdete na/You can get it on > > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > > > > hezky den/have a nice day > > Sima > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From shake at volny.cz Thu Jan 29 20:37:23 2004 From: shake at volny.cz (shake@volny.cz) Date: Thu Jan 29 20:37:37 2004 Subject: Subject=[Ronja] TX leds Message-ID: <873ffe49282d9bb44ac14326dd2c5712@www3.mail.volny.cz> Cau, ja nevim jestli to je kontakt presne na toho cloveka, ktery to dodaval ostatnim. Ale kazdopadne je v Ostrave clovek, ktery jich (HPWT-BD00-E4000) koupil asi 160 (nejmensi mozna mira jaka se jich dala vzit). Podle me rad odproda, ta cena je kolem 30Kc za kus. Mail je mgolem@golems.cz, a je treba byt trpelivy pripadne zkouset vicekrat, protoze ne vzdycky reaguje hned :) /Shake -- Zapojte se do ankety Motocykl roku 2004 a m??ete vyhr?t Kawasaki ER-5 a dal?? ceny t?m?? za 300.000 tis?c korun. Dejte hlas nejlep?? motorce na http://www.motocyklroku.cz From dj_boy at seznam.cz Thu Jan 29 21:16:59 2004 From: dj_boy at seznam.cz (DJ_BOY) Date: Thu Jan 29 21:16:48 2004 Subject: Subject=[Ronja] TX leds References: <873ffe49282d9bb44ac14326dd2c5712@www3.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <003c01c3e6ad$40ecb050$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Moc dekuji za tuhle informaci ! Moc si nam pomohl a asi nejenom nam ! Cau ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: Subject=[Ronja] TX leds Cau, ja nevim jestli to je kontakt presne na toho cloveka, ktery to dodaval ostatnim. Ale kazdopadne je v Ostrave clovek, ktery jich (HPWT-BD00-E4000) koupil asi 160 (nejmensi mozna mira jaka se jich dala vzit). Podle me rad odproda, ta cena je kolem 30Kc za kus. Mail je mgolem@golems.cz, a je treba byt trpelivy pripadne zkouset vicekrat, protoze ne vzdycky reaguje hned :) /Shake -- Zapojte se do ankety Motocykl roku 2004 a m??ete vyhr?t Kawasaki ER-5 a dal?? ceny t?m?? za 300.000 tis?c korun. Dejte hlas nejlep?? motorce na http://www.motocyklroku.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ________ Information from NOD32 ________ Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. http://www.nod32.cz From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 30 11:39:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jan 30 11:39:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Bug in AUI Message-ID: <20040130113937.A2767@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Summary: In Ronja 10M Metropolis AUI there is a bug. A new construction called Ronja AUI Forte has been released (http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php, http://ronja.twibright.com/aui_forte/) Recommended defence: 1) If you are already soldering up AUI, continue. 2) Everyone else should build AUI Forte instead Details: There is a bug in Ronja 10M Metropolis AUI. When certain parts' parameter deviations coincide enough, the resulting piece of electronics will be either completely nonfunctional or will show up rather large packetloss even with very strong signal. The problem occurs in timing circuits and causes timing constants to shift into invalid area. AUI Forte incorporates more elaborate timing circuits that have been exactly computed so this should not occur anymore. The presence of the bug has not been noticed for almost two years. The bug was first spotted in theoretical analysis when timing circuits for TP interface were being designed and AUI timing circuits were reexamined. Shortly after, Elite from Prague reported one and then second occurence of AUi malfunction (inherent packett loss in order of 5%). This malfunction was tracked down to be likely caused by this bug. Meanwhile, AUI Forte was being developped by Twibright Labs, prototyped on airwire construction (http://images.twibright.com/tns/d52.html). The prototype has been tested for performance and the design finally released (January 30, 2004). Changes: * 2 more integrated circuits (gates) * Commercial crystal oscillator unit is employed * Power consumption rises by estimated max. 20mA @12V (240mW) * New method ("boxed page") was used in the building guide for enhanced comprehensibility * sodipodi vector graphics are used in the guide for layout drawings for more presentation flexibility Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Jan 30 11:53:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Jan 30 11:53:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Buga v AUI In-Reply-To: <20040130113937.A2767@beton.cybernet.src>; from clock@twibright.com on Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:39:37AM +0000 References: <20040130113937.A2767@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040130115354.B2767@beton.cybernet.src> Zdrav?m v?echny. Shrnut?: V Ronja 10M Metropolis AUI je buga. Byla vyd?na nov? konstrukce jm?nem Ronja AUI Forte (http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php, http://ronja.twibright.com/aui_forte/). Doporu?en? obrana: 1) Pokud u? m?te rozletovan? AUI, pokra?ujte 2) V?ichni ostatn? a? za?nou pou??vat AUI Forte. Podrobnosti: V Ronja 10M Metropolis AUI je buga. Kdy? se dostate?n? sejdou odchylky v hodnot?ch a parametrech ur?it?ch sou??stek, v?sledn? kus elektroniky bude bu? zcela nefunk?n?, nebo bude vykazovat pom?rn? velk? packetloss, a to i se siln?m sign?lem. Probl?m nast?v? v ?asovac?ch obvodech a zp?sobuje, ?e se ?asovac? konstanty posunou mimo platn? rozsah. AUI Forte obsahuje propracovan?j?? ?asovac? obvody, kter? byly p?esn? vypo?teny i z hlediska odchylek, tak?e toto by nem?lo ji? nikdy znovu nastat. Existence t?to bugy si nikdo nev?iml t?m?? 2 roky od doby, kdy Ronja 10M Metropolis zahrnuj?c? Ronja 10M Metropolis AUI byla poprv? vyd?na. Buga byla poprv? odhalena v teoretick? anal?ze ?asovac?ch obvod? pro TP interface, b?hem n?? byly revidov?ny ?asovac? obvody v AUI. Kr?tce potom Elite z Prahy nahl?sil jeden a potom i druh? v?skyt z?vady v AUI (pevn? packetloss v ??du 5%). P?vod t?to z?vady byl dohled?n a? k pravd?podobn? p???in? ve zm?n?n? buze. Mezit?m bylo v Twibright Labs vyv?jeno AUI Forte. Byl postaven prototyp vzdu?nou konstrukc? (http://images.twibright.com/tns/d52.html). Parametry prototypu byly otestov?ny a design byl kone?n? 30. ledna vyd?n. Zm?ny: * P?ibyly 2 integr??e (hradla) * Je pou?it hotov? krystalov? oscil?tor * Spot?eba stoupne o odhadem max. 20mA p?i 12V (240mW) * Ve stavebn?m n?vodu bylo pou?ito nov? uspo??d?n? str?nky ("boxed page"), aby se zlep?ila pochopitelnost * Byla pou?ita vektorov? grafika vytvo?en? pomoc? programu Sodipodi s n?vaznou automatickou generac? tisknuteln?ch v?stup?, aby se zlep?il komfort prezentace. Cl< From nitrogenium at centrum.cz Fri Jan 30 21:36:22 2004 From: nitrogenium at centrum.cz (nitrogenium@centrum.cz) Date: Fri Jan 30 21:36:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja TP Message-ID: <20040130213626Z2274670-987+29608@mail4.centrum.cz> rad bych se zeptal par veci k TP ala Simandl verze 0.2 mam prave tuto verzi a rad bych zjistil co nejvic k oziveni 1)proc u verze 0.3 mas 2TP konektory - z jakyho duvodu jsou tak zapojeny? 2)pri pripojeni k PC jsou potreba jaky sitovky tzn. nejaky urcity typy sitovek (3com, Realtek, SMC) nebo to je zcela jedno 3)jakym kabelem by to melo bejt pripojeny - krizovy- jestli oba krizovy, nebo oba normalni (nekrizeny), ci jeden normal a druhej kriz ? 4) no a stim souvisi - to TP se chova jako normalni sitovka takze to muzu cely spoj chapat jako sitovka (I.PC)- kabel UTP - sitovka ( TP Ronja)- Ronja - sitovka (TP Ronja) -kabel UTP -sitovka (II. PC) mam celej spoj na plosnacich s TP od Simandla v 0.2 ale zatim sem to nerozbehal - ledky na TP si vesele poblikavaj dokonce v rytmu sitovky ale paket tam neproleze (i kdyz pod Win to sit pripoji), avsak zaclonim-li optickej spoj tak to nahlasi ze se "sit odpojila" ..nemel sem tolik casu abych to testoval nejak moc neb mi pritom odesel PC I. takze sem mel jiny starosti, ale pro dalsi testy bych se rad ujistil o tech otazkach viz vyse Dik Dusik From klapek at kki.net.pl Sat Jan 31 09:41:34 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sat Jan 31 09:39:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Bug in AUI In-Reply-To: <20040130113937.A2767@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040130113937.A2767@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200401311041.34465.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Friday 30 of January 2004 12:39, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > In Ronja 10M Metropolis AUI there is a bug. A new construction called > Ronja AUI Forte has been released (http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php, > http://ronja.twibright.com/aui_forte/) There's a minor bug in http://ronja.twibright.com/aui_forte/building.php the "part functions" link points to 404. The "boxed design" of the page is very nice thou. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 31 11:18:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jan 31 11:18:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Bug in AUI In-Reply-To: <200401311041.34465.klapek@kki.net.pl>; from klapek@kki.net.pl on Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 10:41:34AM +0100 References: <20040130113937.A2767@beton.cybernet.src> <200401311041.34465.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040131111849.A23690@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 10:41:34AM +0100, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Friday 30 of January 2004 12:39, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > > In Ronja 10M Metropolis AUI there is a bug. A new construction called > > Ronja AUI Forte has been released (http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php, > > http://ronja.twibright.com/aui_forte/) Thanks, fixed. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Jan 31 22:22:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Jan 31 22:22:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Film o Ronje Message-ID: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> Na czfree se diskutuje napad vyvorit propagacni film o czfree - myslim si, ze by bylo zajimavejsi natocit film o tom, jak se stavi takova Ronja, kde by bylo pokud mozno vysvetleny vsechny ukony co se delaji. Jeste pak jestli tu mame nejaky umelce tak by se mohlo navic k tomu udelat cosi jako videoklip / pocitacovy demo ktery by ukazovalo, jak je takova Ronja akcni technologie a co vsechno zajimavyho obsahuje, ale to by nemelo vecnou hodnotu, spis by to bylo tak maximalne zajimavy na koukani ;-) Ale myslim si ze ten film by nebyl spatnej pripadne aspon nejaky material ktery by se dal dodatecne sestrihat a ktery by se natocil ruzne co Ronju budou lidi doma stavet... Cl<