From maco at host.sk Sun Feb 1 01:22:31 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sun Feb 1 01:22:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Film o Ronje In-Reply-To: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <401C54D7.4010305@host.sk> Velmi rad pomozem, studujem design a robim s videom vela. Ideme stavat Silvijiho TPRXRSSI interface tak mozem to natocit a zostrihat, ale nesakajte to skor ako v aprili :) Rad pomozem. Technika je, anthuziazmus tiez :) Len ronja zatial nie :( krasny vecer :) maco Karel Kulhav? wrote: >Na czfree se diskutuje napad vyvorit propagacni film o czfree - myslim si, >ze by bylo zajimavejsi natocit film o tom, jak se stavi takova Ronja, kde >by bylo pokud mozno vysvetleny vsechny ukony co se delaji. > >Jeste pak jestli tu mame nejaky umelce tak by se mohlo navic k tomu udelat cosi >jako videoklip / pocitacovy demo ktery by ukazovalo, jak je takova Ronja akcni >technologie a co vsechno zajimavyho obsahuje, ale to by nemelo vecnou hodnotu, >spis by to bylo tak maximalne zajimavy na koukani ;-) > >Ale myslim si ze ten film by nebyl spatnej pripadne aspon nejaky material ktery >by se dal dodatecne sestrihat a ktery by se natocil ruzne co Ronju budou lidi >doma stavet... > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informacia od NOD32 1.614 (20040129) __________ > >Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. >http://www.eset.sk > > > > > From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Sun Feb 1 10:47:04 2004 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (P. Deelman) Date: Sun Feb 1 10:49:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Using a Mirror instead of a Lens In-Reply-To: <31741.1075367401@www11.gmx.net> References: <31741.1075367401@www11.gmx.net> Message-ID: <401CD928.8040704@hccnet.nl> Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: >Hi ! > >Can anyone tell me, what is the "big" advantance of >using a Mirror instead of a Lens for collecting/emmitting >the light ? > >I?m not a optics - specialist, but in my understanding >the only increasing of the optical power is defined by the >percentage of light you can get from the sender to >the reciever. > >That means to me that it doesn?t matter, if i use >a 13cm lens or a 13 cm concave mirror >as log as the other optical parameters are the same. > >Regards, Sigi > > I don't know if it works, look logical to me to use a mirror and could be cheaper to do it in ta=hat fashion. In this case i even see a sattelite dish system and it's fine tuning capabilities. Then even more the question arises how much distance you can put between the led/photodiode and the rx/tx box. (mounting the entier tx/rx part as a lnb-like thing on top of the mirror highly decreases the available reflection area. Please cl< gives us your words about this :) From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 1 12:15:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 1 12:15:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Using a Mirror instead of a Lens In-Reply-To: <401CD928.8040704@hccnet.nl>; from p.deelman@hccnet.nl on Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 11:47:04AM +0100 References: <31741.1075367401@www11.gmx.net> <401CD928.8040704@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <20040201121521.B25187@beton.cybernet.src> > Then even more the question arises how much distance you can put between > the led/photodiode and the rx/tx box. (mounting the entier tx/rx part as > a lnb-like thing on top of the mirror highly decreases the available > reflection area. > > Please cl< gives us your words about this :) Can anyone take his cosmetic mirror and measure it's properties? Especially sharpness? Cl< From hollari1 at gmx.at Sun Feb 1 13:34:45 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (hollari1@gmx.at) Date: Sun Feb 1 13:33:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] For P.Deelman References: Message-ID: <001e01c3e8c8$2b4d5f20$34010b0a@host> Maybe you are right, that a satellite dish (maybe with some aluminium foil) would be a good mirror for that. but the question is if you can really make ronja-links with higher distances by using this, because the (optical) "antenna gain" is not the only factor that gives you the maximun distance ! e.g. there are also things like "noise" (in this case protection from sunlight) that could really be a problem if you use a satellite dish. and i think also wind will make big problems, if you operate an optilal link longer than - i would say - 4 km ?!? Did anyone test whats the maximum distance with the "ordinary" Ronja construction (with 13 cm loupes) ?!? I think, the 1,4 km is just a theoretical value, including a lot of spare power -> If you really have "line of sight", good optical shielding from the sun, mechanical good holders etc... you should be able to go a lot more than 1,4 km. Regards, Sigi > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 11:47:04 +0100 > From: "P. Deelman" > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Using a Mirror instead of a Lens > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <401CD928.8040704@hccnet.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > > >Hi ! > > > >Can anyone tell me, what is the "big" advantance of > >using a Mirror instead of a Lens for collecting/emmitting > >the light ? > > > >I?m not a optics - specialist, but in my understanding > >the only increasing of the optical power is defined by the > >percentage of light you can get from the sender to > >the reciever. > > > >That means to me that it doesn?t matter, if i use > >a 13cm lens or a 13 cm concave mirror > >as log as the other optical parameters are the same. > > > >Regards, Sigi > > > > > I don't know if it works, look logical to me to use a mirror and could > be cheaper to do it in ta=hat fashion. In this case i even see a > sattelite dish system and it's fine tuning capabilities. > > Then even more the question arises how much distance you can put between > the led/photodiode and the rx/tx box. (mounting the entier tx/rx part as > a lnb-like thing on top of the mirror highly decreases the available > reflection area. > > Please cl< gives us your words about this :) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > End of Ronja Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1 > ************************************ > From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Sun Feb 1 13:46:56 2004 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (P. Deelman) Date: Sun Feb 1 13:49:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] For P.Deelman In-Reply-To: <001e01c3e8c8$2b4d5f20$34010b0a@host> References: <001e01c3e8c8$2b4d5f20$34010b0a@host> Message-ID: <401D0350.4020900@hccnet.nl> hollari1@gmx.at wrote: >Maybe you are right, that a satellite dish >(maybe with some aluminium foil) >would be a good mirror for that. > >but the question is if you can really make >ronja-links with higher distances by using this, >because the (optical) "antenna gain" is not >the only factor that gives you the maximun distance ! > >e.g. there are also things like "noise" >(in this case protection from sunlight) >that could really be a problem if you use a satellite dish. > >and i think also wind will make big problems, if >you operate an optilal link longer than - i would say - 4 km ?!? > >Did anyone test whats the maximum distance with the >"ordinary" Ronja construction (with 13 cm loupes) ?!? > >I think, the 1,4 km is just a theoretical value, including >a lot of spare power -> If you really have "line of sight", >good optical shielding from the sun, mechanical good holders etc... >you should be able to go a lot more than 1,4 km. > >Regards, Sigi > > satteline dish would be a bad idea imo, caus the surface is too rough. It would only scatter the light. If an idea like this is gonna be used it should be a good concave mirror and not some dish with alu foil on it (although it works nice as a sun cooker ie take a dish, direct sunlight into it and point to a pot of water, boils like hell. But not on a distance of 1,4km :)))) imo a good concave mirror of lets say 15-20 cm could work and prolly will be cheaper then a lense. Beware that it isn't my idea for starters, i only continued on sigfrieds idea. So his name should be in de the subject :) Patrick From hrabec at ramgate.cz Mon Feb 2 00:38:45 2004 From: hrabec at ramgate.cz (Josef Hrabec) Date: Mon Feb 2 00:38:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LUXEON Message-ID: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> Dobry den, pokousel jste se nekdo uvest do provozu ronju s luxeonem? Vdatasheatu pro luxeon jsem nasel, ze jej lze napajet proudem 350mA. Ale i po vyrazeni odporu R11 se proud vysplhal jen na cca 160mA. Predem dekuji za jakykoli napad, jak nejlepe upravit koncovy stupen pro provoz s luxeonem. Diky Pepa. From maco at host.sk Mon Feb 2 09:26:16 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Mon Feb 2 09:26:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LUXEON In-Reply-To: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> Message-ID: <401E17B8.2090409@host.sk> >Sosovky, o ktore mate zaujem dodavame iba v prevedeni lupa.Ina moznost nie >je, pretoze tieto lupy sa dovazaju z krajin tretieho sveta. >Cenove relacie lup o ktore mate zaujem >RB 13 A 299.-Sk >RB 13 G 307.-Sk >Ceny su uvedene bez DPH (19%) >Prajem prijemny den Co poviete na tie ceny? Len tak orientacne by mohol niekto postnut ceny lup aby som orientacne vedel na com som :) Btw ako je to so sosovkami do RX a TX? TX je urcite co mozno najvacsia sosovka s ohniskovou vzdialenostou cca 290mm, ale ake sosovky pouzit na RX strane? m. From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Mon Feb 2 10:21:35 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Mon Feb 2 10:21:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] There is a bug in TPmod 1.3 Message-ID: Yes, unfortunately there is a bug in a TPmod 1.3 by Silvije, I corrected it and there is now schematic ver 2.0 which has 2 ICs less, but I havent released it because I seek for sponsors. Silvije From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Mon Feb 2 17:13:50 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Mon Feb 2 17:16:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LUXEON In-Reply-To: <401E17B8.2090409@host.sk> References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> <401E17B8.2090409@host.sk> Message-ID: <401E854E.6060207@jkl.darktech.org> Marcel Hecko wrote: >> Sosovky, o ktore mate zaujem dodavame iba v prevedeni lupa.Ina moznost >> nie >> je, pretoze tieto lupy sa dovazaju z krajin tretieho sveta. >> Cenove relacie lup o ktore mate zaujem >> RB 13 A 299.-Sk >> RB 13 G 307.-Sk >> Ceny su uvedene bez DPH (19%) >> Prajem prijemny den > > > Co poviete na tie ceny? Len tak orientacne by mohol niekto postnut ceny > lup aby som orientacne vedel na com som :) > Btw ako je to so sosovkami do RX a TX? TX je urcite co mozno najvacsia > sosovka s ohniskovou vzdialenostou cca 290mm, ale ake sosovky pouzit na > RX strane? Koupil sem podle navodu 'z krajin tretieho sveta' lupy "Glass Straight - Shank" 90mm prumeru pri 40 CZK za kus v prazske vetes/trznici. Funguji skvele na obou stranach. Zbyly me 4 prazdne plastove uchyty, ktere si ve slabych chvilkach nasazuji na ruce...... :) From clock at twibright.com Mon Feb 2 18:49:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Feb 2 18:49:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LUXEON In-Reply-To: <401E17B8.2090409@host.sk>; from maco@host.sk on Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 10:26:16AM +0100 References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> <401E17B8.2090409@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040202184947.C1358@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 10:26:16AM +0100, Marcel Hecko wrote: > >Sosovky, o ktore mate zaujem dodavame iba v prevedeni lupa.Ina moznost nie > >je, pretoze tieto lupy sa dovazaju z krajin tretieho sveta. > >Cenove relacie lup o ktore mate zaujem > >RB 13 A 299.-Sk > >RB 13 G 307.-Sk > >Ceny su uvedene bez DPH (19%) > >Prajem prijemny den > > Co poviete na tie ceny? Len tak orientacne by mohol niekto postnut ceny lup aby som orientacne vedel na com som :) Drahy jako prase. Cl< > > Btw ako je to so sosovkami do RX a TX? > TX je urcite co mozno najvacsia sosovka s ohniskovou vzdialenostou cca 290mm, ale ake sosovky pouzit na RX strane? > > m. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Mon Feb 2 19:56:32 2004 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (P. Deelman) Date: Mon Feb 2 19:58:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] There is a bug in TPmod 1.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401EAB70.1000700@hccnet.nl> Silvije wrote: >Yes, unfortunately there is a bug in a TPmod 1.3 by Silvije, >I corrected it and there is now schematic ver 2.0 which has 2 ICs less, >but I havent released it because I seek for sponsors. > >Silvije > > for what you need sponsering ? And howcome you need it? caus of personal problems or other stuff ? Patrick From hrabec at ramgate.cz Mon Feb 2 20:01:07 2004 From: hrabec at ramgate.cz (Josef Hrabec) Date: Mon Feb 2 20:01:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LUXEON References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> <401E17B8.2090409@host.sk> <20040202184947.C1358@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00ca01c3e9c7$4bfbc220$1e01a8c0@pupak> fajn, cocky nam radi prodaji nasi soudruzi z tretich krajin :-) ale nemate prosim nekdo radu, jak vhodne zapojit konec TX pro provoz s luxeonem, tak aby nam svitil co nejvic? :-) diky P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] LUXEON > On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 10:26:16AM +0100, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > >Sosovky, o ktore mate zaujem dodavame iba v prevedeni lupa.Ina moznost nie > > >je, pretoze tieto lupy sa dovazaju z krajin tretieho sveta. > > >Cenove relacie lup o ktore mate zaujem > > >RB 13 A 299.-Sk > > >RB 13 G 307.-Sk > > >Ceny su uvedene bez DPH (19%) > > >Prajem prijemny den > > > > Co poviete na tie ceny? Len tak orientacne by mohol niekto postnut ceny lup aby som orientacne vedel na com som :) > > Drahy jako prase. > > Cl< > > > > > Btw ako je to so sosovkami do RX a TX? > > TX je urcite co mozno najvacsia sosovka s ohniskovou vzdialenostou cca 290mm, ale ake sosovky pouzit na RX strane? > > > > m. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From zefram.c at centrum.cz Mon Feb 2 20:32:21 2004 From: zefram.c at centrum.cz (zefram.c@centrum.cz) Date: Mon Feb 2 20:32:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] HPWT Message-ID: <20040202203223Z1018105-14873+62515@mail.centrum.cz> Zdravicko, objednal jsem 60ks HPWT BD00 F4000. Meli by byt pristi tyden. tel. 608/125386 . ICQ 10220023. Az je budu mit doma tak jeste napisu. From clock at twibright.com Mon Feb 2 21:57:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Feb 2 21:58:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] There is a bug in TPmod 1.3 In-Reply-To: <401EAB70.1000700@hccnet.nl>; from p.deelman@hccnet.nl on Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 08:56:32PM +0100 References: <401EAB70.1000700@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <20040202215727.A1519@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 08:56:32PM +0100, P. Deelman wrote: > Silvije wrote: > > >Yes, unfortunately there is a bug in a TPmod 1.3 by Silvije, > >I corrected it and there is now schematic ver 2.0 which has 2 ICs less, > >but I havent released it because I seek for sponsors. > > > >Silvije > > > > > for what you need sponsering ? And howcome you need it? caus of personal > problems or other stuff ? Hey I don't like the idea of someone else asking for sponsors for HIS project on Ronja mailing list. This is a mailing list about contributions to Ronja project (including user support, because user problems are important feedback if they adhered to the guide at least a bit). I don't mind if you build something derived from it that I cannot merge into the mainstream, but definitely don't like the idea of asking for sponsors on this mailing list. I think most appropriate action against this is treat it as spam (as well as advertising optical comm projects that are not free) and kick those who don't get the idea off the list. Why can't I merge this into Ronja? First, it is derived from the old AUI that is now proven to be buggy. Secondly, I haven't seen any proof about that the electronics actually adheres to the ethernet standard and has couple other nice properties I would like an electronics like that to have. That's also why the official TP development is being carried out by Twibright Labs. If something of the contributions could be used, it would be. There is no point in doing a job twice, especially in the world of free sources. Cl< > > Patrick > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jan.martinu at post.cz Mon Feb 2 22:43:04 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Mon Feb 2 22:36:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LUXEON In-Reply-To: <00ca01c3e9c7$4bfbc220$1e01a8c0@pupak> References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> <20040202184947.C1358@beton.cybernet.src> <00ca01c3e9c7$4bfbc220$1e01a8c0@pupak> Message-ID: <200402022343.05027.jan.martinu@post.cz> Dne po 2. ?nora 2004 21:01 Josef Hrabec napsal(a): > fajn, cocky nam radi prodaji nasi soudruzi z tretich krajin :-) ale nemate > prosim nekdo radu, jak vhodne zapojit konec TX pro provoz s luxeonem, tak > aby nam svitil co nejvic? > > :-) > > diky P. > > Misto 3x 04 das 15x 04 a zmenis hodnotu rezistoru seriove zapojeneho s LEDkou. Zatim to nemam otestovane, ale delam na tom. From hrabec at ramgate.cz Tue Feb 3 00:52:31 2004 From: hrabec at ramgate.cz (Josef Hrabec) Date: Tue Feb 3 00:52:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LUXEON References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak><20040202184947.C1358@beton.cybernet.src><00ca01c3e9c7$4bfbc220$1e01a8c0@pupak> <200402022343.05027.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <012c01c3e9f0$01368940$1e01a8c0@pupak> ja jsem to prave zkusil se 14x04 a vylezlo to tak na 260mA bez predradneho odporu u ledky.... tak jsem si rikal, jestli pridani dalsich deseti neni uz prece jenom hloupost.... (k mereni mam k dispozici jenom obycejny multimetr) ...nic mene, jsem pritom narazil na problem pri prenosu nejakych uzitecnych dat - pri pingovani, at jiz flood male ci extremne velke pakety slo vse bez potizi, i spojeni po ssh slo bez potizi (cervne a zelene ledky krasne blikaji) a az pri transferu souboru po ftp to zacalo drhnout, soubory lezou strasne pomalu tak dve az pet kilo za sekundu, rychlost kolisa tak, jako by tam byl nejaky packet lost..... ale pri pingovani se nic takoveho neprojevuje..... asi je nekde nejaky bug, ale zatim nemam sajn kde zacit... je to muj prvni pokus o toto zarizeni za pripadne typy, kdo to tak obvykle muze drhnout, predem dekuji Pepa. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] LUXEON > Dne po 2. ?nora 2004 21:01 Josef Hrabec napsal(a): > > fajn, cocky nam radi prodaji nasi soudruzi z tretich krajin :-) ale nemate > > prosim nekdo radu, jak vhodne zapojit konec TX pro provoz s luxeonem, tak > > aby nam svitil co nejvic? > > > > :-) > > > > diky P. > > > > > > Misto 3x 04 das 15x 04 a zmenis hodnotu rezistoru seriove zapojeneho s LEDkou. > Zatim to nemam otestovane, ale delam na tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From honza at hoidekr.net Tue Feb 3 08:40:54 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (honza@hoidekr.net) Date: Tue Feb 3 08:41:33 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0LUXEON?= In-Reply-To: <012c01c3e9f0$01368940$1e01a8c0@pupak> References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak><20040202184947.C1358@beton.cybernet.src><00ca01c3e9c7$4bfbc220$1e01a8c0@pupak><200402022343.05027.jan.martinu@post.cz> <012c01c3e9f0$01368940$1e01a8c0@pupak> Message-ID: <42800.195.113.160.10.1075797654.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Zkontroluj nastaveni sitovek. Nejspise mas jednu(obe?) half-duplex. Nejlip to vyzkousis se dvema linuxy proti sobe. S windows jsou problemy, jak jsem tu psal pred casem. Honza >zkusil se 14x04 a vylezlo to tak na 260mA bez predradneho > odporu u ledky.... tak jsem si rikal, jestli pridani dalsich deseti neni > uz > prece jenom hloupost.... (k mereni mam k dispozici jenom obycejny > multimetr) > > ...nic mene, jsem pritom narazil na problem pri prenosu nejakych > uzitecnych > dat - pri pingovani, at jiz flood male ci extremne velke pakety slo vse > bez > potizi, i spojeni po ssh slo bez potizi (cervne a zelene ledky krasne > blikaji) a az pri transferu souboru po ftp to zacalo drhnout, soubory > lezou > strasne pomalu tak dve az pet kilo za sekundu, rychlost kolisa tak, jako > by > tam byl nejaky packet lost..... ale pri pingovani se nic takoveho > neprojevuje..... asi je nekde nejaky bug, ale zatim nemam sajn kde > zacit... > je to muj prvni pokus o toto zarizeni > > za pripadne typy, kdo to tak obvykle muze drhnout, predem dekuji > Pepa. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] LUXEON > > >> Dne po 2. ?nora 2004 21:01 Josef Hrabec napsal(a): >> > fajn, cocky nam radi prodaji nasi soudruzi z tretich krajin :-) ale > nemate >> > prosim nekdo radu, jak vhodne zapojit konec TX pro provoz s luxeonem, > tak >> > aby nam svitil co nejvic? >> > >> > :-) >> > >> > diky P. >> > >> > >> >> Misto 3x 04 das 15x 04 a zmenis hodnotu rezistoru seriove zapojeneho s > LEDkou. >> Zatim to nemam otestovane, ale delam na tom. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Tue Feb 3 09:18:04 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Tue Feb 3 09:18:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: There is a bug in TPmod 1.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am sorry! My intention was not to seek for sponsors on this list, I just said it as the reason of not releasing schematic, and that was not the main thing, main thing was there is a bug in old schematic. I apologize again. Silvije From jan.martinu at post.cz Tue Feb 3 10:02:51 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Tue Feb 3 09:56:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LUXEON In-Reply-To: <012c01c3e9f0$01368940$1e01a8c0@pupak> References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> <200402022343.05027.jan.martinu@post.cz> <012c01c3e9f0$01368940$1e01a8c0@pupak> Message-ID: <200402031102.51236.jan.martinu@post.cz> Dne ?t 3. ?nora 2004 01:52 Josef Hrabec napsal(a): > ja jsem to prave zkusil se 14x04 a vylezlo to tak na 260mA bez predradneho > odporu u ledky.... tak jsem si rikal, jestli pridani dalsich deseti neni > uz prece jenom hloupost.... (k mereni mam k dispozici jenom obycejny > multimetr) > > ....nic mene, jsem pritom narazil na problem pri prenosu nejakych > uzitecnych dat - pri pingovani, at jiz flood male ci extremne velke pakety > slo vse bez potizi, i spojeni po ssh slo bez potizi (cervne a zelene ledky > krasne blikaji) a az pri transferu souboru po ftp to zacalo drhnout, > soubory lezou strasne pomalu tak dve az pet kilo za sekundu, rychlost > kolisa tak, jako by tam byl nejaky packet lost..... ale pri pingovani se > nic takoveho neprojevuje..... asi je nekde nejaky bug, ale zatim nemam sajn > kde zacit... je to muj prvni pokus o toto zarizeni > > za pripadne typy, kdo to tak obvykle muze drhnout, predem dekuji > Pepa. Bez predradneho odporu bych to nedaval - s tim multimetrem nezmeris proudove spicky, takze udaj 260mA je zavadejci. Klidne to muze delat tu ztratu paketu pri silnejsim provozu prave pro to, ze tam tece velky spickovy proud a ty 04 zkresluji. Je ale pravda, ze 14x 04 neni elegantni reseni - chtelo by to proste neco jineho v jednom pouzdre From michal at idn.cz Tue Feb 3 10:12:32 2004 From: michal at idn.cz (michal@idn.cz) Date: Tue Feb 3 10:12:32 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?[Ronja]=A0Using=A0a=A0Mirror=A0instead=A0of=A0a=A0Lens_-_c?= onsult some astro fans! Message-ID: <64994.62.245.78.27.1075803152.squirrel@webmail-1.nethost.cz> Hi, I'm confident you can expand the powers of the future high fidelity Ronjas at the RX side by using some of the parabolic devices aka *Newtonian parabolic mirrors which can be found in large scale of telescopes ranging from toys to a semi-pro astronomic gadgets. I strongly advice you too contact some astronomic enthusiasts websites either here in Czechia or abroad - they will be glad to help you. There are even freeware utilities to design newtonian reflectors etc. http://astroforum.shodam.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl (czech astro forum) http://sweb.cz/dobson210/denik.html (basic stuff on homebuild newtons&links) http://sweb.cz/dobson210/foto.html (!see that brutal magnification on bottom of the page and that's only from 150mm tube) *Just imagine that a small size amateur scope, say with 8" mirror can increase the level of information going to a human eye by 10.000x ! Some limitation will however apply - low alt atmosphere is full of dust etc. I'm certainly not an expert on this but at least I know that it's here waiting for us to grab it :@ ) My idea is that in the newtonian type of scope the big primary (main) mirror will reflect the light of a laser signal on the small ellipctical secondary with sensor attached - for pointing during instalation you can you use refurbrished webcameras which astronomers are already utlizing with great success for pointing etc.. I know it's going to be tricky - I mean the lambda of the mirror and other areas must be tested & explored beforehand.. I'm looking forward for some 100km laser/newtonian ronja's within 5years :@ ) From maco at host.sk Tue Feb 3 13:44:30 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Feb 3 13:44:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LUXEON In-Reply-To: <401E854E.6060207@jkl.darktech.org> References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> <401E17B8.2090409@host.sk> <401E854E.6060207@jkl.darktech.org> Message-ID: <401FA5BE.30808@host.sk> Teda na TX aj RX mam mat rovnake sosovky, alebo by to malo byt tak, ze na TX by mali byt vacsie a na RX mensie? NIekde som to cital a neviem sa poriadne rozpamatat kde. Mohli by ste mi to vyjasnit. POdla fotiek vidim, ze vsetky su rovnake. Teda ak dam napr 130 na TX tak na RX mozem dat to iste? Sorry za blbe otazky, ale ked zacinate prvy krat tak to vzdy ide tazko :) m. Jan Kleisner wrote: > Marcel Hecko wrote: > >>> Sosovky, o ktore mate zaujem dodavame iba v prevedeni lupa.Ina >>> moznost nie >>> je, pretoze tieto lupy sa dovazaju z krajin tretieho sveta. >>> Cenove relacie lup o ktore mate zaujem >>> RB 13 A 299.-Sk >>> RB 13 G 307.-Sk >>> Ceny su uvedene bez DPH (19%) >>> Prajem prijemny den >> >> >> >> Co poviete na tie ceny? Len tak orientacne by mohol niekto postnut >> ceny lup aby som orientacne vedel na com som :) >> Btw ako je to so sosovkami do RX a TX? TX je urcite co mozno >> najvacsia sosovka s ohniskovou vzdialenostou cca 290mm, ale ake >> sosovky pouzit na RX strane? > > > Koupil sem podle navodu 'z krajin tretieho sveta' lupy > "Glass Straight - Shank" 90mm prumeru pri 40 CZK za kus v prazske > vetes/trznici. Funguji skvele na obou stranach. Zbyly me 4 prazdne > plastove uchyty, ktere si ve slabych chvilkach nasazuji na ruce...... > :) > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.615 (20040202) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > > From jan.martinu at post.cz Tue Feb 3 14:50:28 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Tue Feb 3 14:43:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LUXEON In-Reply-To: <401FA5BE.30808@host.sk> References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> <401E854E.6060207@jkl.darktech.org> <401FA5BE.30808@host.sk> Message-ID: <200402031550.28459.jan.martinu@post.cz> Dne ?t 3. ?nora 2004 14:44 Marcel Hecko napsal(a): > Teda na TX aj RX mam mat rovnake sosovky, alebo by to malo byt tak, ze > na TX by mali byt vacsie a na RX mensie? NIekde som to cital a neviem sa > poriadne rozpamatat kde. Mohli by ste mi to vyjasnit. POdla fotiek > vidim, ze vsetky su rovnake. Teda ak dam napr 130 na TX tak na RX mozem > dat to iste? Sorry za blbe otazky, ale ked zacinate prvy krat tak to > vzdy ide tazko :) > No jasne, dej jak na RX, tak na TX stejne cocky. Ja jsem pouzil 130mm a spoj jede bez problemu na 975m. Dle meho nazoru - cim vetsi cocka, tim lepe. From salac at certicon.cz Tue Feb 3 16:29:02 2004 From: salac at certicon.cz (Martin Salac) Date: Tue Feb 3 16:29:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4 nitrogenium at centrum.cz (Was: Ronja TP) Message-ID: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> Cau > rad bych se zeptal par veci k TP ala Simandl verze 0.2 > mam prave tuto verzi a rad bych zjistil co nejvic k oziveni > 1)proc u verze 0.3 mas 2TP konektory - z jakyho duvodu jsou tak > zapojeny? Mno - 2 konektory jsme se tam rozhodli dat, protoze existuji 2 typy RJ-45ky. Jeden se vyskytuje na sitovych kartach - bezna klasika a jeden (takovy sedivy) prodavaji v Compu ve Vaclavske pasazi na Karlaku a ty na rozdil od tech, co se museji kuchat ze sitovek maji posunute piny konektoru tak, ze nejdou zasadit do tech "karetnich". No - taxme udelali 2 vyvody a muzes si tam soupnout bud konektor vybrany ze sitovky nebo koupenej z Compa (stoji asi 15,- nebo takneco). Proste jednim slovem - vyber. Jsou takhle zapojeny z duvodu "aby to fungovalo". Ne, vazne - jeden konektor ma kontakty "nahoru" a ten druhy "dolu" - takze se to v dusledku zda jakoby zrcadlove vuci sobe. Kazdopadne - podivej na ty kontakty - vzdy je akcni jenom 1,2,3 a 6 (jako na 10TP) Pravda je, ze jsme to potom jeste jednou u tech TPcek preroutovali, protoze prvni verze byla ponekud ... ehm tezkopadna. Uz ani nevim, zda ji dal Sima na web. > 2)pri pripojeni k PC jsou potreba jaky sitovky tzn. > nejaky urcity typy sitovek (3com, Realtek, SMC) nebo to je zcela > jedno Zkouseli jsme to na 3Com Etherlink XL. Je potreba sitovkam "forcnout" 10Mbit a full duplex a zasadit do ARP tabulky staticky zaznamy. Jinak nevidim duvod, proc by to nemelo behat s jinou sitovkou. Jen tak pro zajimavost - zapijili jsme jeden konec do D-link 10/100 switche a ten nasel 10Mbit link. > 3)jakym kabelem by to melo bejt pripojeny - krizovy- > jestli oba krizovy, nebo oba normalni (nekrizeny), ci jeden > normal a druhej kriz ? 2x cross. No predstav si to tak, jako by tam ta Ronja nebyla. > 4) no a stim souvisi - to TP se chova jako normalni sitovka > takze to muzu cely spoj chapat jako > sitovka (I.PC)- kabel UTP - sitovka ( TP Ronja)- Ronja - sitovka > (TP Ronja) -kabel UTP -sitovka (II. PC) No - ja to spis chapu jako sitovka (1.PC) --> prevodnik elktrika/svetlo --> prevodnik svetlo/elektrika. To ze na konci se na tebe diva UTP zasuvka je jenom "shoda nahod". > mam celej spoj na plosnacich s TP od Simandla v 0.2 ale zatim sem > to nerozbehal - ledky na TP si vesele poblikavaj dokonce v rytmu > sitovky ale paket tam neproleze (i kdyz pod Win to sit pripoji), > avsak zaclonim-li optickej spoj tak to nahlasi ze se "sit > odpojila" Cely spoj? No ja teda nevim, ale uvolnili jsme RX a TX teprve ve verzi 0.1. No to jses dobrej, ze uz mas 0.2. :-) Asi jsi mel na mysli jenom "zakladovku" UTP verze 0.2. Co se tyce ozivovani ... to je vzdycky des, to s tebou souhlasim. Doporucuju postupovat krok po kroku. Neco uz to nekdo zverejnoval (tusim, ze hlavne Clock). Mozna by ti pomohlo na rozbihani vyrobit si specialni drat, ktery se da zapojit tak, ze jednim smerem vedes spoj normalne metalicky a druhym smerem pouzijes jedno RX a jedno TX (takze usetris jednu optickou trasu). Fotku toho kablu najdes na Simovych strankach u ozivovani UTP v 0.1. Pokud ti blikaji LEDky, tak si spust tcpdump nebo jiny sledovac sitoveho spojeni a zjisti co vlastne po tech sitovkach beha. > ..nemel sem tolik casu abych to testoval nejak moc neb mi pritom > odesel PC I. takze sem mel jiny starosti, ale pro dalsi testy > bych se rad ujistil o tech otazkach viz vyse > Dik Dusik Zdravi Martin P.S. Neber me tak vazne, na srandicky je tu Peta Simandl, ale ten ted lyzuje na horach, takze se ho snazim jenom zastoupit ... :-) From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 3 19:33:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Feb 3 19:34:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LUXEON In-Reply-To: <200402031550.28459.jan.martinu@post.cz>; from jan.martinu@post.cz on Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 03:50:28PM +0100 References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> <401E854E.6060207@jkl.darktech.org> <401FA5BE.30808@host.sk> <200402031550.28459.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <20040203193356.A20018@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > No jasne, dej jak na RX, tak na TX stejne cocky. Ja jsem pouzil 130mm a spoj > jede bez problemu na 975m. Dle meho nazoru - cim vetsi cocka, tim lepe. Hehe je tenhle spoj uz v galerii? :) http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Tue Feb 3 19:55:54 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Feb 3 19:55:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4 nitrogenium at centrum.cz (Was: Ronja TP) In-Reply-To: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> Message-ID: <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> Ako velmi sa tyka chyba v AUI verzii Simandloveho TP interfejsu? Ma ten TP interfejs rovnake problemy alebo je bez bugu? m. From maco at host.sk Tue Feb 3 20:16:16 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Feb 3 20:16:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky In-Reply-To: <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> Message-ID: <40200190.3080707@host.sk> Nebolo by mozne spravit nieco taketo: Napr. vo firme kde ste dali robit plosaky (Spoj Kohout ) sa dohodnut ze by tam clovek len napisal co chce a oni by uz presne vedeli a spravili by to a poslali na dobierku? Aby sa nemusela robit ta rutina okolo plosakov a schem a pod? Vdaka. m. From hrabec at ramgate.cz Tue Feb 3 20:19:41 2004 From: hrabec at ramgate.cz (Josef Hrabec) Date: Tue Feb 3 20:19:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] full-duplex (nutna podminka?) References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak><200402022343.05027.jan.martinu@post.cz><012c01c3e9f0$01368940$1e01a8c0@pupak> <200402031102.51236.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <005401c3ea93$0e3bd480$1e01a8c0@pupak> vratil jsem to zpet, predradny odpor podle schematu a vymenil jsem i koax mezi AUI a TX,RX za novy, trochu se to zlepsilo, ale stejne to nejede vic nez cca 13 kilo.... mozna ze dalsi problem bude s tim fullduplexem - pouzivam totiz FreeBSD a tam to nastaveni xl driveru pro tyto karty nejspis asi full-duplex na AUI dost dobre neumi... avsak podle archivu tento konference jsem nabyl dojmu, ze to je mozne provozovat i ve half-duplex rezimu.... coz by stale melo jet rychleji nez tech 13 kilo, nyni jdu nainstalit nejakou distribuci linuxu a podivat se, jestli se to vice nezlepsi - zatim prosim, jestli nekdo jiste vite, zda-li je mozno provozovat karty v half-duplex rezimu, ci zda-li je full-duplexni rezim karet podminkou nutnou pro uspokojivy chod ronji, postnete tuto informaci do teto konference diky P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] LUXEON > Dne ?t 3. ?nora 2004 01:52 Josef Hrabec napsal(a): > > ja jsem to prave zkusil se 14x04 a vylezlo to tak na 260mA bez predradneho > > odporu u ledky.... tak jsem si rikal, jestli pridani dalsich deseti neni > > uz prece jenom hloupost.... (k mereni mam k dispozici jenom obycejny > > multimetr) > > > > ....nic mene, jsem pritom narazil na problem pri prenosu nejakych > > uzitecnych dat - pri pingovani, at jiz flood male ci extremne velke pakety > > slo vse bez potizi, i spojeni po ssh slo bez potizi (cervne a zelene ledky > > krasne blikaji) a az pri transferu souboru po ftp to zacalo drhnout, > > soubory lezou strasne pomalu tak dve az pet kilo za sekundu, rychlost > > kolisa tak, jako by tam byl nejaky packet lost..... ale pri pingovani se > > nic takoveho neprojevuje..... asi je nekde nejaky bug, ale zatim nemam sajn > > kde zacit... je to muj prvni pokus o toto zarizeni > > > > za pripadne typy, kdo to tak obvykle muze drhnout, predem dekuji > > Pepa. > > Bez predradneho odporu bych to nedaval - s tim multimetrem nezmeris proudove > spicky, takze udaj 260mA je zavadejci. Klidne to muze delat tu ztratu paketu > pri silnejsim provozu prave pro to, ze tam tece velky spickovy proud a ty 04 > zkresluji. Je ale pravda, ze 14x 04 neni elegantni reseni - chtelo by to > proste neco jineho v jednom pouzdre > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Tue Feb 3 21:18:41 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Feb 3 21:17:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> <40200190.3080707@host.sk> Message-ID: <014701c3ea9b$518be920$4805150a@kalvak> Nedavno (asi tyden) sem si je u tam nechal delat. Mel sem nekvalitni folie a kdyz zjistil, ze je to ronja, tak to udelal z tech co tam mel. :) 2xRX, 2xTX a 2xTP (jednostrane) s vyvrtanim stalo kolem 250kc. Myslim, ze by se s nima dalo dohodnout na dobirce, protoze ta pani se kterou sem to resil byla celkem ochotna. pOlOus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky > Nebolo by mozne spravit nieco taketo: > Napr. vo firme kde ste dali robit plosaky (Spoj Kohout > ) sa dohodnut ze by tam clovek len napisal > co chce a oni by uz presne vedeli a spravili by to a poslali na > dobierku? Aby sa nemusela robit ta rutina okolo plosakov a schem a pod? > > Vdaka. From maco at host.sk Tue Feb 3 21:35:40 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Feb 3 21:35:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky In-Reply-To: <014701c3ea9b$518be920$4805150a@kalvak> References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> <40200190.3080707@host.sk> <014701c3ea9b$518be920$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <4020142C.5050401@host.sk> Presne toto som mal na mysli...napisal som tam mail....btw ty si ktore dal robit? 0.3? ako fachaju? uz si ich skusal? nejake problemy? zadrhely? nieco podobne? maco Martin Polehla wrote: >Nedavno (asi tyden) sem si je u tam nechal delat. Mel sem nekvalitni folie a >kdyz zjistil, ze je to ronja, tak to udelal z tech co tam mel. :) 2xRX, 2xTX >a 2xTP (jednostrane) s vyvrtanim stalo kolem 250kc. Myslim, ze by se s nima >dalo dohodnout na dobirce, protoze ta pani se kterou sem to resil byla >celkem ochotna. > >pOlOus > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marcel Hecko" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:16 PM >Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky > > > > >>Nebolo by mozne spravit nieco taketo: >>Napr. vo firme kde ste dali robit plosaky (Spoj Kohout >>) sa dohodnut ze by tam clovek len napisal >>co chce a oni by uz presne vedeli a spravili by to a poslali na >>dobierku? Aby sa nemusela robit ta rutina okolo plosakov a schem a pod? >> >>Vdaka. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informacia od NOD32 1.615 (20040202) __________ > >Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. >http://www.eset.sk > > > > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 3 21:51:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Feb 3 21:52:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4 nitrogenium at centrum.cz (Was: Ronja TP) In-Reply-To: <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk>; from maco@host.sk on Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 08:55:54PM +0100 References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040203215153.A20350@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 08:55:54PM +0100, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Ako velmi sa tyka chyba v AUI verzii Simandloveho TP interfejsu? > Ma ten TP interfejs rovnake problemy alebo je bez bugu? Jestli se nemylim, vsechny TP interfacy, co ruzni lide navrhli, pouzivaji casovani ze stareho AUI. Tedy je v nich chyba. Jestli nektery navrh toto casovani neobsahuje, prosim opravte me. Cl< > > m. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 3 21:59:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Feb 3 21:59:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky In-Reply-To: <40200190.3080707@host.sk>; from maco@host.sk on Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:16:16PM +0100 References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> <40200190.3080707@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040203215906.B20350@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:16:16PM +0100, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Nebolo by mozne spravit nieco taketo: > Napr. vo firme kde ste dali robit plosaky (Spoj Kohout > ) sa dohodnut ze by tam clovek len napisal > co chce a oni by uz presne vedeli a spravili by to a poslali na > dobierku? Aby sa nemusela robit ta rutina okolo plosakov a schem a pod? Momentalne vyvijene TP se udela na plosnak. Vystupni soubory pro vyrobu budou ve tvaru Gerber RS274X a Excellon, coz je nejbeznejsi dnes pouzivany format a mela by ho byt schopna kazda firma zpracovat. Soucasti vystupu se planujou instrukce v cestine i anglictine pro vyrobce, aby nebylo jiz treba dodavat zadne doplnujici informace, aby stacilo vzit balicek souboru (nejlepe .zip), dat do attachmentu a pripsat komentar, "dobry den, prosil bych od kazde desky vyrobit 4 kusy, podrobnosti najdete uvnitr zipu v souboru CTIMNE (nebo README)). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 3 22:01:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Feb 3 22:02:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] full-duplex (nutna podminka?) In-Reply-To: <005401c3ea93$0e3bd480$1e01a8c0@pupak>; from hrabec@ramgate.cz on Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:19:41PM +0100 References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak><200402022343.05027.jan.martinu@post.cz><012c01c3e9f0$01368940$1e01a8c0@pupak> <200402031102.51236.jan.martinu@post.cz> <005401c3ea93$0e3bd480$1e01a8c0@pupak> Message-ID: <20040203220157.C20350@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:19:41PM +0100, Josef Hrabec wrote: > vratil jsem to zpet, predradny odpor podle schematu a vymenil jsem i koax > mezi AUI a TX,RX za novy, trochu se to zlepsilo, ale stejne to nejede vic > nez cca 13 kilo.... mozna ze dalsi problem bude s tim fullduplexem - > pouzivam totiz FreeBSD a tam to nastaveni xl driveru pro tyto karty nejspis > asi full-duplex na AUI dost dobre neumi... avsak podle archivu tento > konference jsem nabyl dojmu, ze to je mozne provozovat i ve half-duplex > rezimu.... coz by stale melo jet rychleji nez tech 13 kilo, > nyni jdu nainstalit nejakou distribuci linuxu a podivat se, jestli se to > vice nezlepsi Jestli je mozne stroje dat k sobe, je nejlepsi AUI propojit kusem dratu (4 draty, DO-A na DI-A, DO-B na DI-B a v druhem smeru stejne) a ozkouset to s tim. Tim se zaruci, ze problem nemuze byt v elektronice Ronji. > > - zatim prosim, jestli nekdo jiste vite, zda-li je mozno provozovat karty v > half-duplex rezimu, ci zda-li je full-duplexni rezim karet podminkou nutnou Je treba aby karta byla v takovem dusevnim rozpolozeni, ze kdyz se vysila na AUI paket, a najednou zacne z AUI prichazet jiny paket, karta to vysilani neprerusi. Cl< From dj_boy at seznam.cz Tue Feb 3 22:05:39 2004 From: dj_boy at seznam.cz (DJ_BOY) Date: Tue Feb 3 22:05:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk><40200190.3080707@host.sk> <20040203215906.B20350@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000901c3eaa1$dcfd7c20$2e6abfd5@R4sTr> Kdyz to bude takhle jak pises, tak to bude vyborny. Cau ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:16:16PM +0100, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > Nebolo by mozne spravit nieco taketo: > > Napr. vo firme kde ste dali robit plosaky (Spoj Kohout > > ) sa dohodnut ze by tam clovek len napisal > > co chce a oni by uz presne vedeli a spravili by to a poslali na > > dobierku? Aby sa nemusela robit ta rutina okolo plosakov a schem a pod? > > Momentalne vyvijene TP se udela na plosnak. Vystupni soubory pro vyrobu budou > ve tvaru Gerber RS274X a Excellon, coz je nejbeznejsi dnes pouzivany format a > mela by ho byt schopna kazda firma zpracovat. > > Soucasti vystupu se planujou instrukce v cestine i anglictine pro vyrobce, aby > nebylo jiz treba dodavat zadne doplnujici informace, aby stacilo vzit balicek > souboru (nejlepe .zip), dat do attachmentu a pripsat komentar, "dobry den, > prosil bych od kazde desky vyrobit 4 kusy, podrobnosti najdete uvnitr zipu v > souboru CTIMNE (nebo README)). > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Tue Feb 3 22:07:48 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Feb 3 22:06:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz><401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> <40200190.3080707@host.sk><014701c3ea9b$518be920$4805150a@kalvak> <4020142C.5050401@host.sk> Message-ID: <015601c3eaa2$29de1e50$4805150a@kalvak> Zatim na tom pracuju... a musim sehnat traficka. pOlOus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky > Presne toto som mal na mysli...napisal som tam mail....btw ty si ktore > dal robit? 0.3? ako fachaju? uz si ich skusal? nejake problemy? > zadrhely? nieco podobne? > > maco From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 3 22:22:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Feb 3 22:22:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky In-Reply-To: <000901c3eaa1$dcfd7c20$2e6abfd5@R4sTr>; from dj_boy@seznam.cz on Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 11:05:39PM +0100 References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk><40200190.3080707@host.sk> <20040203215906.B20350@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c3eaa1$dcfd7c20$2e6abfd5@R4sTr> Message-ID: <20040203222203.E20350@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 11:05:39PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > Kdyz to bude takhle jak pises, tak to bude vyborny. Daval jsi nekdy vyrobit nejaky tistaky? Pokud ano, pamatujes si, ze by chteli nejake specialni informace k tomu dodat, pokud ano, tak jake? Cl< > > Cau > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky > > > > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:16:16PM +0100, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > > Nebolo by mozne spravit nieco taketo: > > > Napr. vo firme kde ste dali robit plosaky (Spoj Kohout > > > ) sa dohodnut ze by tam clovek len napisal > > > co chce a oni by uz presne vedeli a spravili by to a poslali na > > > dobierku? Aby sa nemusela robit ta rutina okolo plosakov a schem a pod? > > > > Momentalne vyvijene TP se udela na plosnak. Vystupni soubory pro vyrobu > budou > > ve tvaru Gerber RS274X a Excellon, coz je nejbeznejsi dnes pouzivany > format a > > mela by ho byt schopna kazda firma zpracovat. > > > > Soucasti vystupu se planujou instrukce v cestine i anglictine pro vyrobce, > aby > > nebylo jiz treba dodavat zadne doplnujici informace, aby stacilo vzit > balicek > > souboru (nejlepe .zip), dat do attachmentu a pripsat komentar, "dobry den, > > prosil bych od kazde desky vyrobit 4 kusy, podrobnosti najdete uvnitr zipu > v > > souboru CTIMNE (nebo README)). > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jan.martinu at post.cz Wed Feb 4 00:37:34 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Wed Feb 4 00:31:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] full-duplex (nutna podminka?) In-Reply-To: <005401c3ea93$0e3bd480$1e01a8c0@pupak> References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak> <200402031102.51236.jan.martinu@post.cz> <005401c3ea93$0e3bd480$1e01a8c0@pupak> Message-ID: <200402040137.34326.jan.martinu@post.cz> Dne ?t 3. ?nora 2004 21:19 Josef Hrabec napsal(a): > vratil jsem to zpet, predradny odpor podle schematu a vymenil jsem i koax > mezi AUI a TX,RX za novy, trochu se to zlepsilo, ale stejne to nejede vic > nez cca 13 kilo.... mozna ze dalsi problem bude s tim fullduplexem - > pouzivam totiz FreeBSD a tam to nastaveni xl driveru pro tyto karty nejspis > asi full-duplex na AUI dost dobre neumi... avsak podle archivu tento > konference jsem nabyl dojmu, ze to je mozne provozovat i ve half-duplex > rezimu.... coz by stale melo jet rychleji nez tech 13 kilo, > nyni jdu nainstalit nejakou distribuci linuxu a podivat se, jestli se to > vice nezlepsi > > - zatim prosim, jestli nekdo jiste vite, zda-li je mozno provozovat karty v > half-duplex rezimu, ci zda-li je full-duplexni rezim karet podminkou nutnou > pro uspokojivy chod ronji, postnete tuto informaci do teto konference > > diky P. > Zklamu te, ale pod FreeBSD, pokud pouzivas sitovky do PCI s AUI to ani behat nebude - je to bug. S ISA AUI sitovkama to beha. From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Feb 4 07:25:07 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (honza@hoidekr.net) Date: Wed Feb 4 07:25:46 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?[Ronja]=A0full-duplex=A0?== ?iso-8859-2?Q?[Ronja] full-duplex (nutna=A0podminka=3F?=) In-Reply-To: <005401c3ea93$0e3bd480$1e01a8c0@pupak> References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak><200402022343.05027.jan.martinu@post.cz><012c01c3e9f0$01368940$1e01a8c0@pupak><200402031102.51236.jan.martinu@post.cz> <005401c3ea93$0e3bd480$1e01a8c0@pupak> Message-ID: <35913.195.113.160.10.1075879507.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> > - zatim prosim, jestli nekdo jiste vite, zda-li je mozno provozovat karty > v > half-duplex rezimu, ci zda-li je full-duplexni rezim karet podminkou > nutnou > pro uspokojivy chod ronji, postnete tuto informaci do teto konference half-duplex pres AUI se provozuje pomoci 5 teho vodice, podle ktereho se detekuje vysilani, aby nedochazelo ke kolizim. (opravte me, jestli to tak neni) Ronja ma jen 4 a proto je NUTNE ji provozovat FULL-DUPLEX na obou stranach. FreeBSD neznam, nemuzu slouzit. Linux mam vyzkouseny a chodi. Windows jsem testoval a je to spatny - psal jsem drive. Honza > > diky P. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] LUXEON > > >> Dne ?t 3. ?nora 2004 01:52 Josef Hrabec napsal(a): >> > ja jsem to prave zkusil se 14x04 a vylezlo to tak na 260mA bez > predradneho >> > odporu u ledky.... tak jsem si rikal, jestli pridani dalsich deseti > neni >> > uz prece jenom hloupost.... (k mereni mam k dispozici jenom obycejny >> > multimetr) >> > >> > ....nic mene, jsem pritom narazil na problem pri prenosu nejakych >> > uzitecnych dat - pri pingovani, at jiz flood male ci extremne velke > pakety >> > slo vse bez potizi, i spojeni po ssh slo bez potizi (cervne a zelene > ledky >> > krasne blikaji) a az pri transferu souboru po ftp to zacalo drhnout, >> > soubory lezou strasne pomalu tak dve az pet kilo za sekundu, rychlost >> > kolisa tak, jako by tam byl nejaky packet lost..... ale pri pingovani > se >> > nic takoveho neprojevuje..... asi je nekde nejaky bug, ale zatim nemam > sajn >> > kde zacit... je to muj prvni pokus o toto zarizeni >> > >> > za pripadne typy, kdo to tak obvykle muze drhnout, predem dekuji >> > Pepa. >> >> Bez predradneho odporu bych to nedaval - s tim multimetrem nezmeris > proudove >> spicky, takze udaj 260mA je zavadejci. Klidne to muze delat tu ztratu > paketu >> pri silnejsim provozu prave pro to, ze tam tece velky spickovy proud a >> ty > 04 >> zkresluji. Je ale pravda, ze 14x 04 neni elegantni reseni - chtelo by to >> proste neco jineho v jednom pouzdre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From salac at certicon.cz Wed Feb 4 07:51:44 2004 From: salac at certicon.cz (Martin Salac) Date: Wed Feb 4 07:51:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4 nitrogenium at centrum.cz (Was: Ronja TP) References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> Message-ID: <4020A490.3080108@certicon.cz> Marcel Hecko wrote: > Ako velmi sa tyka chyba v AUI verzii Simandloveho TP interfejsu? > Ma ten TP interfejs rovnake problemy alebo je bez bugu? Archiv konfery moc nectu a nemam cas ho proletet cely, tak me plz seznam v rychlosti s chybou na AUI. Martin P.S. Moc bych to nenazyval Simandluv interface. Vymyslel ho Highlander, modifikoval Silvie a nasi verzi dominantne routoval Pepa Vit. From salac at certicon.cz Wed Feb 4 08:00:11 2004 From: salac at certicon.cz (Martin Salac) Date: Wed Feb 4 08:00:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> <40200190.3080707@host.sk> Message-ID: <4020A68B.9080706@certicon.cz> Marcel Hecko wrote: > Nebolo by mozne spravit nieco taketo: > Napr. vo firme kde ste dali robit plosaky (Spoj Kohout > ) sa dohodnut ze by tam clovek len napisal > co chce a oni by uz presne vedeli a spravili by to a poslali na > dobierku? Aby sa nemusela robit ta rutina okolo plosakov a schem a pod? Ted nevim, zda jsem te presne pochopil, ale nevidim problem, proc bys to neudelal klasickou cestou jako treba my: 1) Ze stranek www.simandl.cz si serves zdrojaky (brd, pdfka, postscripty) nasich tistaku. 2) Posles mail Kohoutovi na kontaktni adresu uvedenou na Kohoutove webu (abych nedelal propagandu - klidne si to nech udelat od nekoho jineho) s tim, ze to chces na dobirku 3) On ti rekne - jo, delam v utery a v patek, takze to bude hotovy tehdy a tehdy. 4) Pockas si a u dveri ti do deseti dnu zazvoni postak s tlustou obalkou. Myslis, ze ja Kouhouta nekdy videl? :-) Poslu maila se zdrojakem (nebo primo vykresem ps nebo pdf) a prijde mi to az pod nos. :-) Jo - Kohout je dost flexibilni - cte docela dost formatu CADovskych programu > Vdaka. Nemas zac Martin From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 4 09:23:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 4 09:23:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 4 nitrogenium at centrum.cz (Was: Ronja TP) In-Reply-To: <4020A490.3080108@certicon.cz>; from salac@certicon.cz on Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 08:51:44AM +0100 References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> <4020A490.3080108@certicon.cz> Message-ID: <20040204092325.A20831@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 08:51:44AM +0100, Martin Salac wrote: > Marcel Hecko wrote: > > Ako velmi sa tyka chyba v AUI verzii Simandloveho TP interfejsu? > > Ma ten TP interfejs rovnake problemy alebo je bez bugu? > > Archiv konfery moc nectu a nemam cas ho proletet cely, tak me plz > seznam v rychlosti s chybou na AUI. Je to v archivu - http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/2004-January/001395.html Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 4 09:25:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 4 09:25:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky In-Reply-To: <4020A68B.9080706@certicon.cz>; from salac@certicon.cz on Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 09:00:11AM +0100 References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> <40200190.3080707@host.sk> <4020A68B.9080706@certicon.cz> Message-ID: <20040204092509.B20831@beton.cybernet.src> > 3) On ti rekne - jo, delam v utery a v patek, takze to bude hotovy > tehdy a tehdy. > 4) Pockas si a u dveri ti do deseti dnu zazvoni postak s tlustou > obalkou. > > Myslis, ze ja Kouhouta nekdy videl? :-) > Poslu maila se zdrojakem (nebo primo vykresem ps nebo pdf) a prijde > mi to az pod nos. :-) > > Jo - Kohout je dost flexibilni - cte docela dost formatu > CADovskych programu Dela i dotycny Gerber RS274X? Nebo aspon PostScript? Nezajima me to z hlediska propagandy, ale jako statisticka polozka do vyhodnoceni prenositelnosti :) Cl< From salac at certicon.cz Wed Feb 4 09:48:17 2004 From: salac at certicon.cz (Martin Salac) Date: Wed Feb 4 09:48:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> <40200190.3080707@host.sk> <4020A68B.9080706@certicon.cz> <20040204092509.B20831@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4020BFE1.9060708@certicon.cz> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >> Jo - Kohout je dost flexibilni - cte docela dost formatu >>CADovskych programu > > Dela i dotycny Gerber RS274X? Nebo aspon PostScript? Nezajima me to z hlediska > propagandy, ale jako statisticka polozka do vyhodnoceni prenositelnosti :) > Cl< Gerbera tam vyjmenovaneho nema. Na webu ma uvedeny tyto formaty: Ferda mravenec, Formica, Orcad, Eagle, Autocad, Corel, Protel, Layol, Easy PC. Pak tam pise - dalsi na dotaz. Z mych zkusenosti: Postscript nebo pdf bere naprosto v pohode. Jsou to standardni, prenositelne formaty. Martin From maco at host.sk Wed Feb 4 12:13:29 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Feb 4 12:13:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky In-Reply-To: <4020A68B.9080706@certicon.cz> References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> <40200190.3080707@host.sk> <4020A68B.9080706@certicon.cz> Message-ID: <4020E1E9.2040800@host.sk> Je to vsetko fajn, ale ja som myslel ze by sa to mohlo ESTE zjednodusit - boli by tam napriklad u neho k dispozicii vsetky folie (kt by sa napr zaplatili cez niekoho, alebo by ich zaplatil vzdy niekto iny ked bude posielat novu versiu plosaku) a ja by som uz len napisal - poprosim 2xRX 2xTX.... 2xTP 0.3 a on by vedel co a kde a ako...ja mam dost problemy s vecami okolo CADu. V zivote som s Eaglom nerobil a oniec koncov by to bolo ovela rychlejsie a efektivnejsie. Vsak o to nam asi vsetkym aj ide :) Idem si dat robit plosaky na Slvensku tak potom poviem ako dopadli. Poprosim teda este niekoho aby za vyjadril k AUI bugu v Simandloveho, resp. Highlanderovskehu TP interfejsu. Rad by som zacal podnikat realne kroky k postaveniu TP interfejsu ale nerad by som zacal stavat potencionalne nepouzitelnu vec. Prajem krasny den. Marcel Hecko Martin Salac wrote: > Marcel Hecko wrote: > >> Nebolo by mozne spravit nieco taketo: >> Napr. vo firme kde ste dali robit plosaky (Spoj Kohout >> ) sa dohodnut ze by tam clovek len >> napisal co chce a oni by uz presne vedeli a spravili by to a poslali >> na dobierku? Aby sa nemusela robit ta rutina okolo plosakov a schem a >> pod? > > > Ted nevim, zda jsem te presne pochopil, ale nevidim problem, proc > bys to neudelal klasickou cestou jako treba my: > 1) Ze stranek www.simandl.cz si serves zdrojaky (brd, pdfka, > postscripty) nasich tistaku. > 2) Posles mail Kohoutovi na kontaktni adresu uvedenou na Kohoutove > webu (abych nedelal propagandu - klidne si to nech udelat od nekoho > jineho) s tim, ze to chces na dobirku > 3) On ti rekne - jo, delam v utery a v patek, takze to bude hotovy > tehdy a tehdy. > 4) Pockas si a u dveri ti do deseti dnu zazvoni postak s tlustou > obalkou. > > Myslis, ze ja Kouhouta nekdy videl? :-) > Poslu maila se zdrojakem (nebo primo vykresem ps nebo pdf) a prijde > mi to az pod nos. :-) > > Jo - Kohout je dost flexibilni - cte docela dost formatu > CADovskych programu > >> Vdaka. > > > Nemas zac > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.615 (20040202) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 4 12:33:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 4 12:38:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky In-Reply-To: <4020BFE1.9060708@certicon.cz>; from salac@certicon.cz on Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 10:48:17AM +0100 References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz> <401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> <40200190.3080707@host.sk> <4020A68B.9080706@certicon.cz> <20040204092509.B20831@beton.cybernet.src> <4020BFE1.9060708@certicon.cz> Message-ID: <20040204123301.B21012@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 10:48:17AM +0100, Martin Salac wrote: > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >> Jo - Kohout je dost flexibilni - cte docela dost formatu > >>CADovskych programu > > > > Dela i dotycny Gerber RS274X? Nebo aspon PostScript? Nezajima me to z hlediska > > propagandy, ale jako statisticka polozka do vyhodnoceni prenositelnosti :) > > Cl< > > Gerbera tam vyjmenovaneho nema. Na webu ma uvedeny tyto formaty: > Ferda mravenec, Formica, Orcad, Eagle, Autocad, Corel, Protel, Layol, > Easy PC. > Pak tam pise - dalsi na dotaz. > > Z mych zkusenosti: Postscript nebo pdf bere naprosto v pohode. Jsou to > standardni, prenositelne formaty. Dobry, gEDA PCB umi vygenerovat i postscript. Cl< > > Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jaybowman at hushmail.com Wed Feb 4 20:41:35 2004 From: jaybowman at hushmail.com (jaybowman@hushmail.com) Date: Wed Feb 4 20:41:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 Message-ID: <200402042041.i14KfarA065938@mailserver2.hushmail.com> Re: The post from Vol 10, Issue 3 regarding this interesting English language item: Hi, I'm confident you can expand the powers of the future high fidelity Ronjas at the RX side by using some of the parabolic devices aka *Newtonian parabolic mirrors which can be found in large scale of telescopes ranging from toys to a semi-pro astronomic gadgets. I strongly advise you to contact some astronomic enthusiasts websites either here in Czechia or abroad - they will be glad to help you. There are even freeware utilities to design newtonian reflectors etc. http://astroforum.shodam.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl (czech astro forum) http://sweb.cz/dobson210/denik.html (basic stuff on homebuild newtons&links) http://sweb.cz/dobson210/foto.html (!see that brutal magnification on bottom of the page and that's only from 150mm tube) *Just imagine that a small size amateur scope, say with 8" mirror can increase the level of information going to a human eye by 10.000x ! Some limitation will however apply - low alt atmosphere is full of dust etc. I'm certainly not an expert on this but at least I know that it's here waiting for us to grab it :@ ) My idea is that in the newtonian type of scope the big primary (main) mirror will reflect the light of a laser signal on the small ellipctical secondary with sensor attached - for pointing during instalation you can you use refurbrished webcameras which astronomers are already utlizing with great success for pointing etc.. I know it's going to be tricky - I mean the lambda of the mirror and other areas must be tested & explored beforehand.. I'm looking forward for some 100km laser/newtonian ronja's within 5years :@ )" Sadly it is not that simple. We all may as well forget even 10km range laser/newtonian ronja's within 1000 years of development unless we move to space stations! Using a Newtonian Mirror instead of a Lens for RONJA like Free Space Optical links is a good practical idea but no real increase in range will ever occur for the following reasons. You may all want to read the following text books and let a few of our group who are thinking about new, faster, longer range designs of Free Space Optical (RONJA) Links into the dirty secret of deliberately staying short range as do the commercial manufacturers and using a MESH type topology with a large number of shorter links than try just one long one to connect two distant locations. You may also want to read and interpret the following two patents with an eye to learning from their power output vs distance strategy too. The following are two international patents and others cited before that in these two as prior art that go into the very same issues very closely, They were approved recently on April 11, 2000 and Nov 6, 2001 respectvely by Anthony Acompora of La Jolla, California: see US 6,049,593 and US 6,314,163 B1 patents. Here is the US patent Office website so you can all review and download the relevant two patent docs with the diagrams of a Newtonian telescope as well! See url here: http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html The fact is that 4km MAXIMUM is the longest range any known commercial or military Free Space optical design that is safe and we must stay safe for a very good reason. While we could come up with new designs at any faster speed (i.e. 100/1000/10000 Mb/s) it must always conform to being completely legal AND eye safety is a MUST in all countries! Eye safety is always a vital issue when working with LEDs,laser pointers or full blown high powered excimer laser systems such as the military use. The wavelengths employed here are not inherently eyesafe (i.e., light can pass right through the cornea to be imaged on the retina and burn it in a millisecond). ANSI standards Z131-1-1986 maintain that the maxium flux entering the human eye at these wavelengths is only 2mW/cm squared. Transmit launch power of 20mW therefore implies a transmit aperture of 10 cm squared minimum, a criterion easily met by those that care about being eye safe and RONJA designs conform to that according to Clock. Path loss in all optical communications through the atmosphere is however also affected by atmospheric absorption, scattering and air turbulence, however, the magnitude of each loss mechanism varies greatly. Sea level atmospheric transmission for a 350 meter path as a function of wavelengths of 650nm, 810 nm, 1300 nm and 1550 nm found that the path loss is negigible due to molecular absorption. See text book from WG Driscoll and W Vaughan, Handbook of Optics, McGraw Hill, USA 1978, available in any University library virtually anywhere! For the Attentuation of light vs visual ranges around 1-4km see W K Pratt, Laser Communications Systems, John Wiley & Sons, NY, 1969 He cites tests done in the 1960s for the military and I hope this helps us all understand why going beyond 4km is almost impossible to make it work reliably though the atmosphere, hence the military use in the vacuum of space. The reason? Precipitation in the form of rain occurs when the water droplets condense up to millimeter sizes. This causes both scattering and water absorption losses along the path with the size of the droplets determining the relative magnitude of these effects. The difference in fog and water droplet size is three orders of magnitude in attentuation for typical rain vs typical fog. Additionally, the relative large size of raindrops compared with near infra red wavelengths permits these drops to forward scatter a significant fraction of the incident optical power. Attenuation due to snow has also been measured by several groups for snow falling at rates of up to 30 cm per hour. Typically the path loss due to snow lies somewhere between fog and rain, however, the relationship is very complex and is best measured experimentally. The path loss fading due to scintillation can also be very significant also (25-30dB) for long range paths beyond 4km through the atmosphere. Scintillation is caused by thermal fluctuations which induce random fluctuations in the index of refraction along the path contained in the beam's cross section. This causes the air to act like sets of small prisms and lenses which deflect the beam of light. Hope this ends the fantastic idea of ever reaching 10km let alone the stated 100 km! Cheers Jay Bowman Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger https://www.hushmail.com/services.php?subloc=messenger&l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427 From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Wed Feb 4 21:11:15 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gullik_Webj=F6rn?=) Date: Wed Feb 4 21:10:52 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <200402042041.i14KfarA065938@mailserver2.hushmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info, While Ronja is a very exciting open-source project, I think you add a lot of facts to the discussion. We designed a similar system in 1987 or so, and found out that even 400-500 m was unreliable beyond practical use in Stockholm, Sweden. While the system worked very well in most weather, our traffic graphs showed that visibility at 780 nM was too bad for too many minutes of the year to live up to commercial standards, and hence the project was written off. Our analysis of the problem was that during winter mornings with temperatures just above freezing, droplets with a diameter selective to the wavelength of the radiation formed, causing total diffusion of the beam. This did not coincide with "visual" visibility, i.e. we had working link when we could not see across, and we had dropouts when we could see through the fog. Our conclusion was we could improve the link if we had several light sources with different colours. The difference in attenuation could reach 40 dB or more. At that time 780 nM Laser diodes were the only ones available at reasonable cost, and they were USD 800 at the time, and VERY fragile. Anyway, reducing the distance creates a very useful design, and hopping a street for free is not a bad feat. So my interest lies mainy in MicRo-nja. Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r jaybowman@hushmail.com Skickat: den 4 februari 2004 21:42 Till: ronja@lists.pointless.net ?mne: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 Re: The post from Vol 10, Issue 3 regarding this interesting English language item: Hi, I'm confident you can expand the powers of the future high fidelity Ronjas at the RX side by using some of the parabolic devices aka *Newtonian parabolic mirrors which can be found in large scale of telescopes ranging from toys to a semi-pro astronomic gadgets. I strongly advise you to contact some astronomic enthusiasts websites either here in Czechia or abroad - they will be glad to help you. There are even freeware utilities to design newtonian reflectors etc. http://astroforum.shodam.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl (czech astro forum) http://sweb.cz/dobson210/denik.html (basic stuff on homebuild newtons&links) http://sweb.cz/dobson210/foto.html (!see that brutal magnification on bottom of the page and that's only from 150mm tube) *Just imagine that a small size amateur scope, say with 8" mirror can increase the level of information going to a human eye by 10.000x ! Some limitation will however apply - low alt atmosphere is full of dust etc. I'm certainly not an expert on this but at least I know that it's here waiting for us to grab it :@ ) My idea is that in the newtonian type of scope the big primary (main) mirror will reflect the light of a laser signal on the small ellipctical secondary with sensor attached - for pointing during instalation you can you use refurbrished webcameras which astronomers are already utlizing with great success for pointing etc.. I know it's going to be tricky - I mean the lambda of the mirror and other areas must be tested & explored beforehand.. I'm looking forward for some 100km laser/newtonian ronja's within 5years :@ )" Sadly it is not that simple. We all may as well forget even 10km range laser/newtonian ronja's within 1000 years of development unless we move to space stations! Using a Newtonian Mirror instead of a Lens for RONJA like Free Space Optical links is a good practical idea but no real increase in range will ever occur for the following reasons. You may all want to read the following text books and let a few of our group who are thinking about new, faster, longer range designs of Free Space Optical (RONJA) Links into the dirty secret of deliberately staying short range as do the commercial manufacturers and using a MESH type topology with a large number of shorter links than try just one long one to connect two distant locations. You may also want to read and interpret the following two patents with an eye to learning from their power output vs distance strategy too. The following are two international patents and others cited before that in these two as prior art that go into the very same issues very closely, They were approved recently on April 11, 2000 and Nov 6, 2001 respectvely by Anthony Acompora of La Jolla, California: see US 6,049,593 and US 6,314,163 B1 patents. Here is the US patent Office website so you can all review and download the relevant two patent docs with the diagrams of a Newtonian telescope as well! See url here: http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html The fact is that 4km MAXIMUM is the longest range any known commercial or military Free Space optical design that is safe and we must stay safe for a very good reason. While we could come up with new designs at any faster speed (i.e. 100/1000/10000 Mb/s) it must always conform to being completely legal AND eye safety is a MUST in all countries! Eye safety is always a vital issue when working with LEDs,laser pointers or full blown high powered excimer laser systems such as the military use. The wavelengths employed here are not inherently eyesafe (i.e., light can pass right through the cornea to be imaged on the retina and burn it in a millisecond). ANSI standards Z131-1-1986 maintain that the maxium flux entering the human eye at these wavelengths is only 2mW/cm squared. Transmit launch power of 20mW therefore implies a transmit aperture of 10 cm squared minimum, a criterion easily met by those that care about being eye safe and RONJA designs conform to that according to Clock. Path loss in all optical communications through the atmosphere is however also affected by atmospheric absorption, scattering and air turbulence, however, the magnitude of each loss mechanism varies greatly. Sea level atmospheric transmission for a 350 meter path as a function of wavelengths of 650nm, 810 nm, 1300 nm and 1550 nm found that the path loss is negigible due to molecular absorption. See text book from WG Driscoll and W Vaughan, Handbook of Optics, McGraw Hill, USA 1978, available in any University library virtually anywhere! For the Attentuation of light vs visual ranges around 1-4km see W K Pratt, Laser Communications Systems, John Wiley & Sons, NY, 1969 He cites tests done in the 1960s for the military and I hope this helps us all understand why going beyond 4km is almost impossible to make it work reliably though the atmosphere, hence the military use in the vacuum of space. The reason? Precipitation in the form of rain occurs when the water droplets condense up to millimeter sizes. This causes both scattering and water absorption losses along the path with the size of the droplets determining the relative magnitude of these effects. The difference in fog and water droplet size is three orders of magnitude in attentuation for typical rain vs typical fog. Additionally, the relative large size of raindrops compared with near infra red wavelengths permits these drops to forward scatter a significant fraction of the incident optical power. Attenuation due to snow has also been measured by several groups for snow falling at rates of up to 30 cm per hour. Typically the path loss due to snow lies somewhere between fog and rain, however, the relationship is very complex and is best measured experimentally. The path loss fading due to scintillation can also be very significant also (25-30dB) for long range paths beyond 4km through the atmosphere. Scintillation is caused by thermal fluctuations which induce random fluctuations in the index of refraction along the path contained in the beam's cross section. This causes the air to act like sets of small prisms and lenses which deflect the beam of light. Hope this ends the fantastic idea of ever reaching 10km let alone the stated 100 km! Cheers Jay Bowman Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger https://www.hushmail.com/services.php?subloc=messenger&l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427 _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jacpublic at poczta.onet.pl Wed Feb 4 21:20:30 2004 From: jacpublic at poczta.onet.pl (Jacek) Date: Wed Feb 4 21:24:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rx problem, too low volatge values Message-ID: <13811831188.20040204222030@poczta.onet.pl> Hello, i got some problems with reciver board based on bf961 transitor. I cant get proper values. P101 = 10,74V P102 = 3,35V P104 only 0,96V with 560ohm P101 = 9,6V P102 = 3,19V R104 changed to 120k if i tide up 180ohm resistor with that 560ohm (parrel), i get 4,15V -- Best regards, Jacek From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 4 21:48:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 4 21:48:58 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: ; from gullik.webjorn@flysta.net on Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 10:11:15PM +0100 References: <200402042041.i14KfarA065938@mailserver2.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <20040204214846.B447@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 10:11:15PM +0100, Gullik Webj?rn wrote: > Thanks for the info, > > While Ronja is a very exciting open-source project, I think you > add a lot of facts to the discussion. > > We designed a similar system in 1987 or so, and found out that It was couple of years before I even had my first computer. What could I have been doing those days? :) > even 400-500 m was unreliable beyond practical use in Stockholm, > Sweden. While the system worked very well in most weather, our traffic > graphs showed that visibility at 780 nM was too bad for too many > minutes of the year to live up to commercial standards, and hence > the project was written off. This is typical for optical comms. They are too unreliable to be used extensively by commercial sector. On the other hand, they are (at least I am convinced) absolutely perfect for free networks because noone really minds if his connection drops out time to time. He already gets much more in terms of liberty and government and commercial independence that some fog can take from him. Microwaves are perpetual fight against government regulations and also neighbour annoying salespeople who set up their transmitter transmitting their beloved precious commercial crappy Internet access all around to squeeze some more coins from their addicts. Optics are exempt from this fight for a cost of slightly decreasing maximum theoretical reliability with reasonable node density (I don't think all those 70+ ladies, retired men and those living their concern-free i-am-a-cogwheel-worker-in-the-anonymous-machinery-of-hamburger-eating-and- -tv-watching-civilisation life will be eager to install some kind of lens-and-tubes contraption on their precious roof for gaining some free-what? free-dom? is free-dom something that makes me a discount in shopping mall or more tv channels for free?). Decreasing reliability due to fogs is a _steady,_permanent_ cost. The fogs will be roughly the same 1000 years later as were roughly the same 1000 years ago. However I expect goverments to be more and more rude and therefore expect Ronja to be increasingly interesting for some sort of people. > Our analysis of the problem was that during winter mornings with > temperatures just above freezing, droplets with a diameter selective > to the wavelength of the radiation formed, causing total diffusion of > the beam. This did not coincide with "visual" visibility, i.e. we had > working link when we could not see across, and we had dropouts when > we could see through the fog. Our conclusion was we could improve > the link if we had several light sources with different colours. > The difference in attenuation could reach 40 dB or more. Have you got any exact histogram data? Were the droplets solid state or liquid phase? And how about the underlying theory explaining this phenomenon? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 4 22:04:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 4 22:04:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rx problem, too low volatge values In-Reply-To: <13811831188.20040204222030@poczta.onet.pl>; from jacpublic@poczta.onet.pl on Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 10:20:30PM +0100 References: <13811831188.20040204222030@poczta.onet.pl> Message-ID: <20040204220433.C447@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 10:20:30PM +0100, Jacek wrote: > Hello, > i got some problems with reciver board based on bf961 transitor. > I cant get proper values. > P101 = 10,74V > P102 = 3,35V > P104 only 0,96V with 560ohm > P101 = 9,6V > P102 = 3,19V R104 changed to 120k > if i tide up 180ohm resistor with that 560ohm (parrel), i get 4,15V Your transistor appears to be a bit unhealthily hungry. Maybe already dwells in the unpleasant land of undead. If it is still alive, then you'll have to decrease the 180ohm resistor down until the voltage rises to 6V (but I guess the transistor might get hot from the current, check it out with your finger). Also try to measure voltage on P103. Cl< From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Wed Feb 4 22:35:32 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Gullik_Webj=F6rn?=) Date: Wed Feb 4 22:35:08 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <20040204214846.B447@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: > Thanks for the info, > > While Ronja is a very exciting open-source project, I think you > add a lot of facts to the discussion. > > We designed a similar system in 1987 or so, and found out that It was couple of years before I even had my first computer. What could I have been doing those days? :) ** Should I tell you how many years I had been hacking? ( Naah, I?ll get called GrandPa :-) > even 400-500 m was unreliable beyond practical use in Stockholm, > Sweden. While the system worked very well in most weather, our traffic > graphs showed that visibility at 780 nM was too bad for too many > minutes of the year to live up to commercial standards, and hence > the project was written off. This is typical for optical comms. They are too unreliable to be used extensively by commercial sector. On the other hand, they are (at least I am convinced) absolutely perfect for free networks because noone really minds if his connection drops out time to time. He already gets much more in terms of liberty and government and commercial independence that some fog can take from him. ** We were very enthusiastic, and learned a lot along the way..... Microwaves are perpetual fight against government regulations and also neighbour annoying salespeople who set up their transmitter transmitting their beloved precious commercial crappy Internet access all around to squeeze some more coins from their addicts. Optics are exempt from this fight for a cost of slightly decreasing maximum theoretical reliability with reasonable node density (I don't think all those 70+ ladies, retired men and those living their concern-free i-am-a-cogwheel-worker-in-the-anonymous-machinery-of-hamburger-eating-and- -tv-watching-civilisation life will be eager to install some kind of lens-and-tubes contraption on their precious roof for gaining some free-what? free-dom? is free-dom something that makes me a discount in shopping mall or more tv channels for free?). ** Goverment regulations is in my opinion seldom used to distribute resources in a fair and democratic way, but rather a protection of the economics created by earlier political desicions. NO new kids on the block tkank you!!! If they had understood the usefulness at the time Ronja would have benn FORBIDDEN! Decreasing reliability due to fogs is a _steady,_permanent_ cost. The fogs will be roughly the same 1000 years later as were roughly the same 1000 years ago. However I expect goverments to be more and more rude and therefore expect Ronja to be increasingly interesting for some sort of people. > Our analysis of the problem was that during winter mornings with > temperatures just above freezing, droplets with a diameter selective > to the wavelength of the radiation formed, causing total diffusion of > the beam. This did not coincide with "visual" visibility, i.e. we had > working link when we could not see across, and we had dropouts when > we could see through the fog. Our conclusion was we could improve > the link if we had several light sources with different colours. > The difference in attenuation could reach 40 dB or more. Have you got any exact histogram data? Were the droplets solid state or liquid phase? And how about the underlying theory explaining this phenomenon? ** Sorry, I have actually looked for some data, to publish for the benefit of this mailing list, ** but these are probably buried on some reels of magnetic tape ( have you even SEEN that?? :-) ** As I remember we collected Ethernet counters for one year, and measured CRC?s, Framing, Shorts, and other anomalities, converted the data to dot matrix plots, later to Postscript (I think we had that at about that time) and evaluated. I believe the droplets were in air condensation of oversaturated air, and the explanation we concluded on talking to experts was that the diameter were in the about 1 uM size, causing a two way diffraction in the droplet, causing an ever increasing angle of the light. I have a little problem explaining, but think of walking in fog that is very low over ground, with the sun shining above. If you have been in such weather, you can not at all tell what direction the sun is, the light comes from everywhere, since it is a combination of all possible diffraction angles. Anyway, if you have air with a certain amount of dissolved water, and you change the pressure or temperature so that the air becomes oversaturated, you get fog at first and then rain. When the change is slow, homogenous and slight the droplets formed are evenly distributed and very small, until they clump together. Enough rambling, the effect on our link was dropouts up to 30 minutes in winter mornings. Before we measured and actually tested this, we were in belief that "such weather never happens" or at least VERY seldom. We expected a single occation or less a year based on the observation that we had almost never SEEN such weather. We were WRONG! Once we became concious over the measured dropouts, we constantly checked the visibility, and found out it was much worse than that. The eye and brain can fool you, 10% visibility is actually not that bad for a human. There are many "blind" people that get along just fine with that eyesight. Laser links dont have brains (yet). Gullik _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From goincrazy at gmx.net Thu Feb 5 06:10:27 2004 From: goincrazy at gmx.net (GoinCrazy) Date: Thu Feb 5 06:10:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] luxeon LED's References: <20040205014044.363.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c3ebae$c0ce0570$0105a8c0@steffens> > Hi it is me again , yes i know that question is stupid > but give me some answer, or tell me to bug off :) > I am really interested in making this link but without LED's ... > At least give hint where to order them? You should tell us your country, then we could give you an answer... Steffen From hrabec at ramgate.cz Thu Feb 5 19:04:05 2004 From: hrabec at ramgate.cz (Josef Hrabec) Date: Thu Feb 5 19:04:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] full-duplex (nutna podminka?) References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak><200402022343.05027.jan.martinu@post.cz><012c01c3e9f0$01368940$1e01a8c0@pupak><200402031102.51236.jan.martinu@post.cz><005401c3ea93$0e3bd480$1e01a8c0@pupak> <20040203220157.C20350@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <058f01c3ec1a$d4911a90$1e01a8c0@pupak> pro ty, ktere by to do budoucna zajimalo: - jak se zda, full-duplexni rezim je pro spravnou funkci AUI tak jak potrebujeme pro provoz ronji nezbytny - u FreeBSD se mi tento rezim dosahnout nepodarilo (uzitim xl ani ep driveru pro 3Com karty) a tudiz dalsi nutnu podminkou pro bezproblemovy provoz, je uziti OS Linux (ackoliv mam bsd tak rad... :-)) - snad to usetri hodiny laborovani nekomu dalsimu, kdo by se chtel pokusit rozjet ronju s FreeBSD P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] full-duplex (nutna podminka?) > > > > > - zatim prosim, jestli nekdo jiste vite, zda-li je mozno provozovat karty v > > half-duplex rezimu, ci zda-li je full-duplexni rezim karet podminkou nutnou > > Je treba aby karta byla v takovem dusevnim rozpolozeni, ze kdyz se vysila na > AUI paket, a najednou zacne z AUI prichazet jiny paket, karta to vysilani > neprerusi. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Thu Feb 5 19:11:26 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Thu Feb 5 19:11:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AUI forte In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all! Question for Clock: Are the old "buggy" AUI compatible with AUI forte? Thanks for answer. Silvije www.silvije.tk From macros at fear.cz Thu Feb 5 19:12:55 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (Macros The Black) Date: Thu Feb 5 19:13:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] full-duplex (nutna podminka?) In-Reply-To: <058f01c3ec1a$d4911a90$1e01a8c0@pupak> References: <002401c3e924$ea382b70$1e01a8c0@pupak><200402022343.05027.jan.martinu@post.cz><012c01c3e9f0$01368940$1e01a8c0@pupak><200402031102.51236.jan.martinu@post.cz><005401c3ea93$0e3bd480$1e01a8c0@pupak> <20040203220157.C20350@beton.cybernet.src> <058f01c3ec1a$d4911a90$1e01a8c0@pupak> Message-ID: <402295B7.6040008@fear.cz> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hmm, resil jsem tohle na NetBSD a nakonec jsem to vyresil strasne hnusnym (tm) hackem v dev/ic/elink3.c nakonec, me neslo o krasu, ale o funkcnost, ze ;] macros Josef Hrabec wrote: | pro ty, ktere by to do budoucna zajimalo: | - jak se zda, full-duplexni rezim je pro spravnou funkci AUI tak jak | potrebujeme pro provoz ronji nezbytny | - u FreeBSD se mi tento rezim dosahnout nepodarilo (uzitim xl ani ep driveru | pro 3Com karty) a tudiz dalsi nutnu podminkou pro bezproblemovy provoz, je | uziti OS Linux (ackoliv mam bsd tak rad... :-)) | - snad to usetri hodiny laborovani nekomu dalsimu, kdo by se chtel pokusit | rozjet ronju s FreeBSD | P. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAIpW2n2KKPzp5wpcRAsldAJ9U1OxeOZgUG+qAvg0Hb77DhvJh+ACgjxli Q0tV6ioMR0ZdJQNUoDQSvXM= =fsGd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From maco at host.sk Thu Feb 5 20:44:35 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Feb 5 20:45:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prednaska WIRELESS a RONJA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4022AB33.2050302@host.sk> Na LUGCONe v Ziline ozranizovanym SKLUGom http://www.sklug.sk/lugcon/index.php?what=show_lugcon&id=8 budem kratko rozpravat o otvorenych sietach (skfree.net, blava.net, wnet.sk, localnet.sk...), o Wifi a tiez nieco o RONII. TO by uz mala byt ta nasa postavena podla Simandlovych navrhov. Teda pre vsetkych v okolo Ziliny kto maju zaujem o ronju - pridte, pokecame, odprednasame, spravime debatny kruzok. Nazov Desiaty v?kend s Linuxom Od 27.03.2004 Do 28.03.2004 Mesto ?ilina Marcel Hecko Maco www.maco.sk www.blava.net From clock at twibright.com Thu Feb 5 21:35:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Feb 5 21:36:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AUI forte In-Reply-To: ; from discover@fly.srk.fer.hr on Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:11:26PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20040205213557.B23132@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:11:26PM +0100, Silvije wrote: > > > Hi all! > > Question for Clock: > > Are the old "buggy" AUI compatible with AUI forte? Yes. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Feb 5 21:46:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Feb 5 21:46:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prednaska WIRELESS a RONJA In-Reply-To: <4022AB33.2050302@host.sk>; from maco@host.sk on Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 09:44:35PM +0100 References: <4022AB33.2050302@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040205214632.C23132@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 09:44:35PM +0100, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Na LUGCONe v Ziline ozranizovanym SKLUGom > > http://www.sklug.sk/lugcon/index.php?what=show_lugcon&id=8 Binarnych sxizofrenikov? Nemate neco spolecneho nahodou s hysterkou? :) Cl< > > budem kratko rozpravat o otvorenych sietach (skfree.net, blava.net, > wnet.sk, localnet.sk...), o Wifi a tiez nieco o RONII. TO by uz mala byt > ta nasa postavena podla Simandlovych navrhov. Teda pre vsetkych v okolo > Ziliny kto maju zaujem o ronju - pridte, pokecame, odprednasame, > spravime debatny kruzok. > > Nazov Desiaty v?kend s Linuxom > Od 27.03.2004 > Do 28.03.2004 > Mesto ?ilina > > > > Marcel Hecko > Maco > > www.maco.sk > www.blava.net > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Feb 5 21:58:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Feb 5 21:58:25 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: ; from gullik.webjorn@flysta.net on Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 11:35:32PM +0100 References: <20040204214846.B447@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040205215822.D23132@beton.cybernet.src> > > ** Goverment regulations is in my opinion seldom used to distribute > resources in a > fair and democratic way, but rather a protection of the economics created by > earlier political desicions. NO new kids on the block tkank you!!! > If they had understood the usefulness at the time Ronja would have benn > FORBIDDEN! Being forbidden by government is the highest acknowledgment of usefulness Ronja project can get. > ** Sorry, I have actually looked for some data, to publish for the benefit > of this mailing list, > ** but these are probably buried on some reels of magnetic tape ( have you > even SEEN that?? :-) Yes we have still got some of them on our university -- in a museum cabinet, of course :) Did you experience the droplet problem with a laser or with LED? LED has spectral bandwidth in the range of 100nm - does this already count as "multi-colour" from the point of view of this anomaly? I can't imagine a small droplet having a big equivalent crosssection (a beautiful word - three s' in a line) for one wavelength and small for some not too far from the first one. Is it that the zero-order diffraction maximum completely vanishes and just the first (and possibly higher) order one remains, which is however for nothing because points somewhere else? Is it something like a resonance in the droplet? Cl< From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Thu Feb 5 23:32:24 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?us-ascii?Q?Gullik_Webjorn?=) Date: Thu Feb 5 23:31:55 2004 Subject: SV: SV: SV: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <20040205215822.D23132@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: > ** Sorry, I have actually looked for some data, to publish for the benefit > of this mailing list, > ** but these are probably buried on some reels of magnetic tape ( have you > even SEEN that?? :-) Yes we have still got some of them on our university -- in a museum cabinet, of course :) ** my personal computer at that time had two 19" cabinets, one containing ** A TS-11 magtape for backups. It kept the house warm and nice in winter. Did you experience the droplet problem with a laser or with LED? LED has spectral bandwidth in the range of 100nm - does this already count as "multi-colour" from the point of view of this anomaly? ** We used a 780 nM Laser, Leds were only GaASP ( too slow for Ronja , and hat 20 mCD typical output ) Leds could JUST about make 2 Mbit/sec. I can't imagine a small droplet having a big equivalent crosssection (a beautiful word - three s' in a line) for one wavelength and small for some not too far from the first one. ** I dont know the "bandwidth" of the filter action, the laser was 780, the eye is most sensitive at 565 nm (green) I believe. Arithemticly this is a huge difference, 4/3, I guess variations in wind, temperature etc changed over the path, so it varied day to day. Is it that the zero-order diffraction maximum completely vanishes and just the first (and possibly higher) order one remains, which is however for nothing because points somewhere else? Is it something like a resonance in the droplet? ** I believe so, I think I saw a fairly elaborate explanation with graphs of the rays passing a spherical lens. Have you seen filters made from optical fiber, which looks like a pearl collier, lots of little spheres connected by narrower sections?? They are made by pulling / compressing the fiber while heating in a micromachine. They are very similar to waveguide filters used in microwave equipment. I believe the effect is similar. After all, light is an electromagnetic wave by one definition. Anyway, we had excellent signal margin, we had no problem with snow, rain but morning fog just killed the link. We ran this as primary link for Digital Equipment Edu Services Sweden for almost a year, with a 256k bridge as backup. I still have the prototypes, I?ll send you a photo when my wife comes home on Sunday (with her digital camera) Gullik _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Fri Feb 6 02:44:12 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Feb 6 02:44:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prednaska WIRELESS a RONJA In-Reply-To: <20040205214632.C23132@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4022AB33.2050302@host.sk> <20040205214632.C23132@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4022FF7C.4010009@host.sk> My sa tu na Slovensku vsetci navzajom pozname :) Mam niekoho pozdravit? :) PS: Paradne ceny na tie PCB v SPOJI. Nebyva niekto v Brne, alebo este blizsie hranic kto by mi prevzal balicek na dobierku?? Za rovnake plosaky mi vykalkulovali cenu na slovensku okolo 300 Sk za plosak a v Spoji to je do 80Kc - no - nech to je 110 Sk :) m. Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 09:44:35PM +0100, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > >>Na LUGCONe v Ziline ozranizovanym SKLUGom >> >>http://www.sklug.sk/lugcon/index.php?what=show_lugcon&id=8 >> >> > >Binarnych sxizofrenikov? Nemate neco spolecneho nahodou s hysterkou? :) > >Cl< > > >>budem kratko rozpravat o otvorenych sietach (skfree.net, blava.net, >>wnet.sk, localnet.sk...), o Wifi a tiez nieco o RONII. TO by uz mala byt >>ta nasa postavena podla Simandlovych navrhov. Teda pre vsetkych v okolo >>Ziliny kto maju zaujem o ronju - pridte, pokecame, odprednasame, >>spravime debatny kruzok. >> >>Nazov Desiaty v?kend s Linuxom >>Od 27.03.2004 >>Do 28.03.2004 >>Mesto ?ilina >> >> >> >>Marcel Hecko >>Maco >> >>www.maco.sk >>www.blava.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ Informacia od NOD32 1.616 (20040204) __________ > >Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. >http://www.eset.sk > > > > > From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 7 12:32:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Feb 7 12:32:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP development report Message-ID: <20040207123209.B32686@beton.cybernet.src> Cheers, TP interface for Ronja is in a state of running prototype at the moment. The prototype is built on airwire construction, has been tested and runs excellent. The prototype is being permanently used for carrying real traffic on a line serving real users. Is connected to a network card with RTL8139 chip, which has been bought as a cheap PCI card approx. for 200-300 CZK and the quality of transmission with this card is the same as AUI shows with 3c590, 3c900 series. What remains is just creating, testing and maybe fixing the printed circuit board and writing a building guide. After this, the design is ready for release. As a bug has been found in AUI's timing circuits, it was not possible to recycle the timing circuits for TP. This bug has been described in earlier message about AUI Forte relase. It has shown that these circuits cannot be used for TP even after patching. Therefore brand new timing had to be developed for TP. TP schematic has been reworked roughly 8 times, from which 5 times the timing circuits were redesigned. Due to this complication with development of special timing for TP unfortunately the estimated price (that has been initially published on the czfree forum) of the design has risen from 10-20 to 20-30 thousands CZK. Current estimate is that the development will be ready in the second half of March. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 7 12:31:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Feb 7 12:32:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zprava o vyvoji TP Message-ID: <20040207123149.A32686@beton.cybernet.src> Zdravim, TP interface pro Ronju je momentalne ve stavu funkcniho prototypu postaveneho technologii vzdusne konstrukce, ktery je ozkouseny a chodi vyborne. Prototyp je trvale zapojen v provozu na bezne vyuzivane lince. Je pripojen k sitove karte s cipem RTL8139, ktera byla zakoupena jako levna PCI sitovka zhruba za 200-300 a vykazuje s touto kartou stejnou kvalitu prenosu, jako AUI s kartami rady 3c590, 3c900. Zbyva uz pouze vytvorit, ozkouset a pripadne opravit plosny spoj a napsat navod. Pak bude navrh pripraven k uvolneni. Vzhledem k tomu, ze se pri praci na TP nasla chyba v casovani AUI, nebylo mozno casovaci obvody z AUI v TP pouzit. K teto chybe se vztahuje predchozi zprava o vydani AUI Forte. Ukazalo se, ze tyto obvody nejsou pro TP pouzitelne ani po uprave. Proto muselo byt pro TP vyvinuto casovani zvlastni. Schema TP bylo celkem zhruba 8x predelano, z cehoz 5x bylo predelano casovani. Diky teto komplikaci s vyvojem zvlastniho casovani pro TP bohuzel stoupla odhadovana cena navrhu, ktera byla na zacatku uverejnena na prislusnem foru czfree, z 10-20 na 20-30 tis. Kc. Momentalni odhad je, ze vyvoj bude dokoncen v druhe polovine brezna. Cl< From cb374521 at tiscali.cz Sat Feb 7 15:22:02 2004 From: cb374521 at tiscali.cz (cb374521@tiscali.cz) Date: Sat Feb 7 15:22:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB Message-ID: <3FB968100005A1C4@stateless2.tiscali.cz> Zdravim, narazil jsem na fatalni problem.. Chtel jsem zkonstruovat ronju na jednostrane verzi plosnaku v0.1 na SImandlovych strankach http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm . On sam mi samozrejme nic neodepsal, a proto se obracim sem. Totiz u TX chybi hodnoty rezistoru R1-R8, R11 a kondenzator C21 u RX . Je to opravdu prekazka, kterou nejsem schopen prekonat, uz to tady potrebovalo vic lidi.. Nakoupil jsem vetsinu soucastek a ted mi budou asi na dve veci. Dekuji za reply ... _______________________________________________________________________ E-mailova schranka stale po ruce - kdykoliv, kdekoliv. Eurotel Vam nabizi moznost prijimat a odesilat e-maily primo z mobilniho telefonu bez pouziti pocitace. Ted levnejsi nez SMS! Vice na http://adsweb.tiscali.cz/eurotel.html From jacpublic at poczta.onet.pl Sat Feb 7 16:46:39 2004 From: jacpublic at poczta.onet.pl (Jacek) Date: Sat Feb 7 16:51:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rx problem, too low volatge values In-Reply-To: <20040204220433.C447@beton.cybernet.src> References: <13811831188.20040204222030@poczta.onet.pl> <20040204220433.C447@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <674426684.20040207174639@poczta.onet.pl> KK> Your transistor appears to be a bit unhealthily hungry. Maybe already dwells KK> in the unpleasant land of undead. If it is still alive, then you'll have to KK> decrease the 180ohm resistor down until the voltage rises to 6V (but I guess KK> the transistor might get hot from the current, check it out with KK> your finger). KK> Also try to measure voltage on P103. P103=10mV It's fine now, i replaced this tranistor with BF998. btw. i had three BF961 and it seems that i bought 3 faulty. -- Best regards, Jacek From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 7 18:30:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Feb 7 18:30:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rx problem, too low volatge values In-Reply-To: <674426684.20040207174639@poczta.onet.pl>; from jacpublic@poczta.onet.pl on Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 05:46:39PM +0100 References: <13811831188.20040204222030@poczta.onet.pl> <20040204220433.C447@beton.cybernet.src> <674426684.20040207174639@poczta.onet.pl> Message-ID: <20040207183045.A1550@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 05:46:39PM +0100, Jacek wrote: > KK> Your transistor appears to be a bit unhealthily hungry. Maybe already dwells > KK> in the unpleasant land of undead. If it is still alive, then you'll have to > KK> decrease the 180ohm resistor down until the voltage rises to 6V (but I guess > KK> the transistor might get hot from the current, check it out with > KK> your finger). > > KK> Also try to measure voltage on P103. > P103=10mV Probably broken-through gate. Mine has 0.1mV. Cl< > > It's fine now, i replaced this tranistor with BF998. > btw. i had three BF961 and it seems that i bought 3 faulty. > > > -- > Best regards, > Jacek > From polous at katka.biz Sat Feb 7 20:34:15 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Feb 7 20:33:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB References: <3FB968100005A1C4@stateless2.tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <006001c3edb9$c176d8f0$4805150a@kalvak> HA... V oparu dymu sem proved necekanou uvahu: :-D simandlovo RX a TX je delany podle orig. clockovy ronji (na coz sem pri blazneni s TPi uplne zapomel), a tak sem prozkoumal schemata ... sou vlastne stejny ;) , takze: TX = Ri ------------------- R1 82 R2 1k R3 1k R4 820 R5 820 R6 47k R7 27k R8 100 R9 8R2 R10 27 R11 27 * clock jeste doporucuje koupit dalsi typy odporu, pro ladeni.. viz manual TX. * RX = C21------------------- C21 = 100uF/16V (C123 na clockove schematu ) ** bylo by dobry, kdyzby ste to este nekdo overil (jestli sem to nak nezmastil) ** 2clock ---------------------- Jen kosmeticka poznamecka - v seznamu odporu u TX je umyslne ?: ... 2x27 ........... ... 1x27 ........... ... ----------------------------- pOlOus ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB .......... narazil jsem na fatalni problem.................. Totiz u TX chybi hodnoty rezistoru R1-R8, R11 a kondenzator C21 u RX ..... ---------------------------- From cb374521 at tiscali.cz Sat Feb 7 20:37:59 2004 From: cb374521 at tiscali.cz (cb374521@tiscali.cz) Date: Sat Feb 7 20:38:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB In-Reply-To: <006001c3edb9$c176d8f0$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <3FB968100005A5A0@stateless2.tiscali.cz> Diky moc, to, ze je ta TP vychazi z "normal" AUI verze me napadlo, ale nechtel sem to cely zmastit... Beztak bych to spletl. Takze ti dik! ;) >-- P?vodn? zpr?va -- >From: "Martin Polehla" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB >Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:34:15 +0100 >Reply-To: Twibright Ronja > > >HA... V oparu dymu sem proved necekanou uvahu: :-D simandlovo RX a TX je delany podle orig. clockovy ronji (na coz sem pri blazneni s TPi uplne zapomel), a tak sem prozkoumal schemata ... sou vlastne stejny ;) , takze: TX = Ri ----------------- >- R1 82 R2 1k R3 1k R4 820 R5 820 R6 47k R7 27k R8 100 R9 8R2 R10 27 R11 27 * clock jeste doporucuje koupit dalsi typy odporu, pro ladeni.. viz manual TX. * RX = C21--- >--------------- C21 = 100uF/16V (C123 na clockove schematu ) ** bylo by dobry, kdyzby ste to este nekdo overil (jestli sem to nak nezmastil) ** 2clock ---------------------- Jen kosmeticka poznamecka - v seznamu odporu u TX je umyslne ?: ... > 2x27 ........... ... 1x27 ........... ... ----------------------------- pOlOus ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: [Ronja] Problem pr > stavbe Ronjy na PCB .......... narazil jsem na fatalni problem.................. Totiz u TX chybi hodnoty rezistoru R1-R8, R11 a kondenzator C21 u RX ..... ---------------------------- _______________________________________________ Ronja ma >ling list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________________________________ E-mailova schranka stale po ruce - kdykoliv, kdekoliv. Eurotel Vam nabizi moznost prijimat a odesilat e-maily primo z mobilniho telefonu bez pouziti pocitace. Ted levnejsi nez SMS! Vice na http://adsweb.tiscali.cz/eurotel.html From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 7 22:25:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Feb 7 22:25:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB In-Reply-To: <006001c3edb9$c176d8f0$4805150a@kalvak>; from polous@katka.biz on Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:34:15PM +0100 References: <3FB968100005A1C4@stateless2.tiscali.cz> <006001c3edb9$c176d8f0$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <20040207222501.B11154@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:34:15PM +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > HA... V oparu dymu sem proved necekanou uvahu: :-D > > simandlovo RX a TX je delany podle orig. clockovy ronji (na coz sem pri > blazneni s TPi uplne zapomel), a tak sem prozkoumal schemata ... sou vlastne > stejny ;) , takze: > > TX = Ri ------------------- > R1 82 > R2 1k > R3 1k > R4 820 > R5 820 > R6 47k > R7 27k > R8 100 > R9 8R2 > R10 27 > R11 27 > > * clock jeste doporucuje koupit dalsi typy odporu, pro ladeni.. viz manual > TX. * > > RX = C21------------------- > C21 = 100uF/16V (C123 na clockove schematu ) > > ** bylo by dobry, kdyzby ste to este nekdo overil (jestli sem to nak > nezmastil) ** > > 2clock ---------------------- > Jen kosmeticka poznamecka - v seznamu odporu u TX je umyslne ?: > ... > 2x27 ........... > ... > 1x27 ........... Je tam 2x27 1x27k 27!=27k Cl< > ... > ----------------------------- > pOlOus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 4:22 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB > .......... > narazil jsem na fatalni problem.................. Totiz u TX > chybi hodnoty rezistoru R1-R8, R11 a kondenzator C21 u RX ..... > ---------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sat Feb 7 22:58:46 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Feb 7 22:57:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB References: <3FB968100005A1C4@stateless2.tiscali.cz><006001c3edb9$c176d8f0$4805150a@kalvak> <20040207222501.B11154@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <007001c3edcd$f3031550$4805150a@kalvak> a sakris to sem prehlidnul, dik :) pOlOus > > 2clock ---------------------- > > Jen kosmeticka poznamecka - v seznamu odporu u TX je umyslne ?: > > ... > > 2x27 ........... > > ... > > 1x27 ........... > > Je tam > 2x27 > 1x27k > > 27!=27k > > Cl< From cb374521 at tiscali.cz Sat Feb 7 23:03:59 2004 From: cb374521 at tiscali.cz (cb374521@tiscali.cz) Date: Sat Feb 7 23:04:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB In-Reply-To: <006001c3edb9$c176d8f0$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <3FB968100005A6A3@stateless2.tiscali.cz> Jeste jedna vec mi vrta hlavou. U interface je uveden 4x 50R odpor, ale pokud vim, tak nejblizsi v rade jsou 47R-51R ... Muzu tam dat 51ohm ? Diky >-- P?vodn? zpr?va -- >From: "Martin Polehla" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB >Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:34:15 +0100 >Reply-To: Twibright Ronja > > >HA... V oparu dymu sem proved necekanou uvahu: :-D simandlovo RX a TX je delany podle orig. clockovy ronji (na coz sem pri blazneni s TPi uplne zapomel), a tak sem prozkoumal schemata ... sou vlastne stejny ;) , takze: TX = Ri ----------------- >- R1 82 R2 1k R3 1k R4 820 R5 820 R6 47k R7 27k R8 100 R9 8R2 R10 27 R11 27 * clock jeste doporucuje koupit dalsi typy odporu, pro ladeni.. viz manual TX. * RX = C21--- >--------------- C21 = 100uF/16V (C123 na clockove schematu ) ** bylo by dobry, kdyzby ste to este nekdo overil (jestli sem to nak nezmastil) ** 2clock ---------------------- Jen kosmeticka poznamecka - v seznamu odporu u TX je umyslne ?: ... > 2x27 ........... ... 1x27 ........... ... ----------------------------- pOlOus ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: [Ronja] Problem pr > stavbe Ronjy na PCB .......... narazil jsem na fatalni problem.................. Totiz u TX chybi hodnoty rezistoru R1-R8, R11 a kondenzator C21 u RX ..... ---------------------------- _______________________________________________ Ronja ma >ling list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________________________________ E-mailova schranka stale po ruce - kdykoliv, kdekoliv. Eurotel Vam nabizi moznost prijimat a odesilat e-maily primo z mobilniho telefonu bez pouziti pocitace. Ted levnejsi nez SMS! Vice na http://adsweb.tiscali.cz/eurotel.html From bratrk at centrum.cz Sun Feb 8 10:25:14 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Sun Feb 8 10:25:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 References: <3FB968100005A6A3@stateless2.tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <001901c3ee2d$d7f87830$020a210a@marekbk> Ahoj, potreboval bych radu. Byl jsem na navsteve u Skeptika a valelo se mu tam nohama nahoru par brouku s oznacenim taivan 340X UA733CN a T 851309 uA733PC jsou zamenitelne s NE592? Skeptik tvrdi ze jo, chtel bych si to overit, zda je nekdo pouzil a zda s nimi receiver funguje. Bohuzel jsem ten typ co si veme planek a podle nej neco udela, v elektrotechnice mam nulove zkusenosti (az tedy na jeden funkcni spoj ronja na 300m :-) bratrk-intralet ) diky bk From zefram.c at centrum.cz Sun Feb 8 16:20:29 2004 From: zefram.c at centrum.cz (zefram.c@centrum.cz) Date: Sun Feb 8 16:21:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sfh2030 Message-ID: <20040208162041Z1014049-14874+105649@mail.centrum.cz> Zdravim, je tu nekdo komu vali Ronja s diodama z GMka SFH2030 F. Ja dosahnu RSSI pouze 200mV a to akorat, kdyz dam vysilac uplne k prijimaci po oddaleni na 1cm klesne RSSI pod 100mV. Prijimat data dal nez 1 cm je absolutne nemozne. Vsechny hodnoty v mericich bodech jsou podle navodu s presnosti na 0,1V spravne a to jak v prijimaci tak ve vysilaci a i v AUI. Kdyz jsem testoval ty prijimaci diody, tak v zapojeni klesne napajecich 11,5 V temer az na nulu pokud na to posvitim zarovkou, pokud svitim diodou tak nepoklesne temer o nic(myslim si ze je to tim ze dioda je urcena pro paci v infra oblasti-takove svetlo generuje zarovka a dioda nikoliv) To same je videt, pokud diodu promerim v hradlovem rezimu - pri osviceni zarovkou jsem schopen namerit az 0,5V, pokud svitim diodou tak maximalne 10mV. PS: uz mi prislo domu 60ks HPWT BD00. - 608/125386 -------------------- GTS Pohoda Doma - dom?c? internet za pau??l. http://ad2.bbmedia.cz/please/redirect/124/8/1/7/?param=4296/4871_1 From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 8 16:58:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 8 16:58:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB In-Reply-To: <3FB968100005A6A3@stateless2.tiscali.cz>; from cb374521@tiscali.cz on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:03:59AM +0100 References: <006001c3edb9$c176d8f0$4805150a@kalvak> <3FB968100005A6A3@stateless2.tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <20040208165817.A10059@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:03:59AM +0100, cb374521@tiscali.cz wrote: > Jeste jedna vec mi vrta hlavou. U interface je uveden 4x 50R odpor, ale > pokud vim, tak nejblizsi v rade jsou 47R-51R ... Muzu tam dat 51ohm ? Diky Ani u jednoho interface jsem 50 nenasel - kde to je? Cl< > > > > >-- P?vodn? zpr?va -- > >From: "Martin Polehla" > >To: "Twibright Ronja" > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB > >Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:34:15 +0100 > >Reply-To: Twibright Ronja > > > > > >HA... V oparu dymu sem proved necekanou uvahu: :-D > > simandlovo RX a TX je delany podle orig. clockovy ronji (na coz sem pri > blazneni s TPi uplne zapomel), a tak sem prozkoumal schemata ... sou vlastne > stejny ;) , takze: > > TX = Ri ----------------- > >- > R1 82 > R2 1k > R3 1k > R4 820 > R5 820 > R6 47k > R7 27k > R8 100 > R9 8R2 > R10 27 > R11 27 > > * clock jeste doporucuje koupit dalsi typy odporu, pro ladeni.. viz manual > TX. * > > RX = C21--- > >--------------- > C21 = 100uF/16V (C123 na clockove schematu ) > > ** bylo by dobry, kdyzby ste to este nekdo overil (jestli sem to nak > nezmastil) ** > > 2clock ---------------------- > Jen kosmeticka poznamecka - v seznamu odporu u TX je umyslne ?: > ... > > > 2x27 ........... > ... > 1x27 ........... > ... > ----------------------------- > pOlOus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 4:22 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Problem pr > > stavbe Ronjy na PCB > .......... > narazil jsem na fatalni problem.................. Totiz u TX > chybi hodnoty rezistoru R1-R8, R11 a kondenzator C21 u RX ..... > ---------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja ma > >ling list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > E-mailova schranka stale po ruce - kdykoliv, kdekoliv. Eurotel Vam nabizi > moznost prijimat a odesilat e-maily primo z mobilniho telefonu bez pouziti > pocitace. Ted levnejsi nez SMS! Vice na http://adsweb.tiscali.cz/eurotel.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 8 17:25:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 8 17:25:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 In-Reply-To: <001901c3ee2d$d7f87830$020a210a@marekbk>; from bratrk@centrum.cz on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 11:25:14AM +0100 References: <3FB968100005A6A3@stateless2.tiscali.cz> <001901c3ee2d$d7f87830$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <20040208172508.B10059@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 11:25:14AM +0100, bratrk wrote: > Ahoj, > potreboval bych radu. > Byl jsem na navsteve u Skeptika a valelo se mu tam nohama nahoru par brouku > s oznacenim > > taivan 340X > UA733CN > > a > > T 851309 > uA733PC Jo koukal jsem se na datasheety a podle datasheetu se pouzit daj. Diky za tip. Pridal jsem to do ekvivalentu. Jestli to s tim postavis tak dej prosimte vedet jak to chodi nebo se zeptej Skeptika jestli mu nejaky kusy s tim chodej a jak. Melo by to chodit uplne stejne jako s NE592. > jsou zamenitelne s NE592? > Skeptik tvrdi ze jo, chtel bych si to overit, zda je nekdo pouzil a zda s > nimi receiver funguje. > Bohuzel jsem ten typ co si veme planek a podle nej neco udela, v > elektrotechnice mam nulove zkusenosti Na takovyto pristup je Ronja stavena, to je v poradku :) Neni treba mit zkusenosti, od toho je tam ten navod. > (az tedy na jeden funkcni spoj ronja na 300m :-) bratrk-intralet ) hehe to je dobry to ani nevim :) Nechcete poslat nejaky info a nechat ten spoj zaradit do galerie? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 8 17:26:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 8 17:26:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] uA733 == NE592 Message-ID: <20040208172603.C10059@beton.cybernet.src> Hello According to the datasheet, uA733 is a full-featured replacement for NE592. I have added it to the equivalents. If somebody is going to build with this chip please report on the result to be sure everything works fine. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 8 17:28:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 8 17:28:11 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_Spojen=ED_PC?= In-Reply-To: <001501c3ee4b$c84922e0$702da8c0@xxx>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:59:34PM +0100 References: <001501c3ee4b$c84922e0$702da8c0@xxx> Message-ID: <20040208172809.D10059@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:59:34PM +0100, Woita wrote: > Nevi nahodou nekdo, jak je to s kompatibilitou systemu? > Stacilo by napsat kombinace (Linux-Linux, Linux-WinXP), kter? 100% funguji (mysleno na klasick? Clockove ronje). Myslim, ze mam stejny problem jako Zefram.c, ktery to nedokaze rozjet mezi win98. O kompatibilitu nejde. Jde pouze o to, oba konce donutit do fuillduplexu (a prislusneho transceiveru - typicky AUI). Pak nemaji sanci jak se o sobe dozvedet, jestli jsou Linux nebo Windows. Jen u Windows je problem to tem kartam typicky vysvetlit. > > Jeste jedna vec. Jak se v utilitce 3c5x9cfg necha nastavit to, aby se > testovala komunikace mezi 2 PC, a ne jenom loopback test na tom jednom? Na to AFAIK musi byt nejaky "server" ktery se na jednom z tech PC nejak pusti ale co ten "server" je a kde se veme nevim - nikdy jsem to nezkousel. Zkousel jsem lokalni test, kontrolky se pomalu rozsveceji z zhasinaji a dela to 10x. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 8 17:29:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 8 17:29:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sfh2030 In-Reply-To: <20040208162041Z1014049-14874+105649@mail.centrum.cz>; from zefram.c@centrum.cz on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 05:20:29PM +0100 References: <20040208162041Z1014049-14874+105649@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040208172953.E10059@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 05:20:29PM +0100, zefram.c@centrum.cz wrote: > > > Zdravim, je tu nekdo komu vali Ronja s diodama z GMka SFH2030 F. SFH2030F je spatne. Je v tom filtr co propousti pouze infra. Cervenou temer nepropusti. je treba pouzit SFH2030. Me to vali s SFH2030 z GM. Ja dosahnu RSSI pouze 200mV a to akorat, kdyz dam vysilac uplne k prijimaci po oddaleni na 1cm klesne RSSI pod 100mV. Prijimat data dal nez 1 cm je absolutne nemozne. Vsechny hodnoty v mericich bodech jsou podle navodu s presnosti na 0,1V spravne a to jak v prijimaci tak ve vysilaci a i v AUI. Kdyz jsem testoval ty prijimaci diody, tak v zapojeni klesne napajecich 11,5 V temer az na nulu pokud na to posvitim zarovkou, pokud svitim diodou tak nepoklesne temer o Zarovka vydava spoustu IR :) nic(myslim si ze je to tim ze dioda je urcena pro paci v infra oblasti-takove svetlo generuje zarovka a dioda nikoliv) To same je videt, pokud diodu promerim v hradlovem rezimu - pri osviceni zarovkou jsem schopen namerit az 0,5V, pokud svitim diodou tak maximalne 10mV. > > PS: uz mi prislo domu 60ks HPWT BD00. - 608/125386 Jsou to HPWT-BD00 jen tak nebo to ma jeste nejake oznaceni za tim? Cl< From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Sun Feb 8 17:38:08 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?us-ascii?Q?Gullik_Webjorn?=) Date: Sun Feb 8 17:37:41 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] uA733 == NE592 In-Reply-To: <20040208172603.C10059@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: uA733 != NE592 Though these two chips are pin compatible NE592 gain 400 - 0 uA733 gain 400 - 10 Maybee for this application this is not relevant, I guess you noticed the tiny difference.... Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For Karel Kulhavy Skickat: den 8 februari 2004 18:26 Till: Twibright Ronja Amne: [Ronja] uA733 == NE592 Hello According to the datasheet, uA733 is a full-featured replacement for NE592. I have added it to the equivalents. If somebody is going to build with this chip please report on the result to be sure everything works fine. Cl< _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 8 17:40:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 8 17:40:55 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] uA733 == NE592 In-Reply-To: ; from gullik.webjorn@flysta.net on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 06:38:08PM +0100 References: <20040208172603.C10059@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040208174051.B10293@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 06:38:08PM +0100, Gullik Webjorn wrote: > uA733 != NE592 > > Though these two chips are pin compatible > > NE592 gain 400 - 0 > uA733 gain 400 - 10 > > Maybee for this application this is not relevant, > I guess you noticed the tiny difference.... Yes, sorry. Also uA733 states 250MHz bandwidth, NE592 120MHz bandwidth. They are not the same, I was wrong. Cl< From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Sun Feb 8 17:56:20 2004 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (Woita) Date: Sun Feb 8 17:57:41 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_Spojen=ED_PC?= References: <001501c3ee4b$c84922e0$702da8c0@xxx> <20040208172809.D10059@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <005101c3ee6c$db8c75c0$702da8c0@xxx> Jo, ten loopback test projde u obou, ale z jistych duvodu potrebuju, aby to chodilo mezi 2ma PC :-) Tak alespon nejakou DOSovou nebo windowsovou utilitku, pres kterou by ty pocitace komunikovaly nebo se alespon testovala funkcnost spoje. Nemate nekdo? Linux bych se doucil potom... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Spojen? PC > On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:59:34PM +0100, Woita wrote: > > Nevi nahodou nekdo, jak je to s kompatibilitou systemu? > > Stacilo by napsat kombinace (Linux-Linux, Linux-WinXP), kter? 100% funguji (mysleno na klasick? Clockove ronje). Myslim, ze mam stejny problem jako Zefram.c, ktery to nedokaze rozjet mezi win98. > > O kompatibilitu nejde. Jde pouze o to, oba konce donutit do fuillduplexu > (a prislusneho transceiveru - typicky AUI). Pak nemaji sanci jak se o sobe > dozvedet, jestli jsou Linux nebo Windows. Jen u Windows je problem to tem > kartam typicky vysvetlit. > > > > > Jeste jedna vec. Jak se v utilitce 3c5x9cfg necha nastavit to, aby se > > testovala komunikace mezi 2 PC, a ne jenom loopback test na tom jednom? > > Na to AFAIK musi byt nejaky "server" ktery se na jednom z tech PC nejak > pusti ale co ten "server" je a kde se veme nevim - nikdy jsem to nezkousel. > Zkousel jsem lokalni test, kontrolky se pomalu rozsveceji z zhasinaji a dela > to 10x. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cb374521 at tiscali.cz Sun Feb 8 18:28:28 2004 From: cb374521 at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sun Feb 8 18:28:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB References: <006001c3edb9$c176d8f0$4805150a@kalvak><3FB968100005A6A3@stateless2.tiscali.cz> <20040208165817.A10059@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002101c3ee71$594f24e0$4880280a@DAVID> Jsou u schematu TP interface v.3, konkretne rezistory R14,R15,R16,R17 Simandla. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB > On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:03:59AM +0100, cb374521@tiscali.cz wrote: > > Jeste jedna vec mi vrta hlavou. U interface je uveden 4x 50R odpor, ale > > pokud vim, tak nejblizsi v rade jsou 47R-51R ... Muzu tam dat 51ohm ? Diky > > Ani u jednoho interface jsem 50 nenasel - kde to je? > > Cl< > > > > > > > > >-- P?vodn? zpr?va -- > > >From: "Martin Polehla" > > >To: "Twibright Ronja" > > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB > > >Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:34:15 +0100 > > >Reply-To: Twibright Ronja > > > > > > > > >HA... V oparu dymu sem proved necekanou uvahu: :-D > > > > simandlovo RX a TX je delany podle orig. clockovy ronji (na coz sem pri > > blazneni s TPi uplne zapomel), a tak sem prozkoumal schemata ... sou vlastne > > stejny ;) , takze: > > > > TX = Ri ----------------- > > >- > > R1 82 > > R2 1k > > R3 1k > > R4 820 > > R5 820 > > R6 47k > > R7 27k > > R8 100 > > R9 8R2 > > R10 27 > > R11 27 > > > > * clock jeste doporucuje koupit dalsi typy odporu, pro ladeni.. viz manual > > TX. * > > > > RX = C21--- > > >--------------- > > C21 = 100uF/16V (C123 na clockove schematu ) > > > > ** bylo by dobry, kdyzby ste to este nekdo overil (jestli sem to nak > > nezmastil) ** > > > > 2clock ---------------------- > > Jen kosmeticka poznamecka - v seznamu odporu u TX je umyslne ?: > > ... > > > > > 2x27 ........... > > ... > > 1x27 ........... > > ... > > ----------------------------- > > pOlOus > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 4:22 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] Problem pr > > > stavbe Ronjy na PCB > > .......... > > narazil jsem na fatalni problem.................. Totiz u TX > > chybi hodnoty rezistoru R1-R8, R11 a kondenzator C21 u RX ..... > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja ma > > >ling list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > E-mailova schranka stale po ruce - kdykoliv, kdekoliv. Eurotel Vam nabizi > > moznost prijimat a odesilat e-maily primo z mobilniho telefonu bez pouziti > > pocitace. Ted levnejsi nez SMS! Vice na http://adsweb.tiscali.cz/eurotel.html > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jan.martinu at post.cz Sun Feb 8 19:02:28 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Sun Feb 8 18:55:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?Spojen=ED?= PC In-Reply-To: <005101c3ee6c$db8c75c0$702da8c0@xxx> References: <001501c3ee4b$c84922e0$702da8c0@xxx> <20040208172809.D10059@beton.cybernet.src> <005101c3ee6c$db8c75c0$702da8c0@xxx> Message-ID: <200402082002.28899.jan.martinu@post.cz> Dne ne 8. ?nora 2004 18:56 Woita napsal(a): > Jo, ten loopback test projde u obou, ale z jistych duvodu potrebuju, aby to > chodilo mezi 2ma PC :-) > Ta utilita od 3comu se pusti na jednom pocitaci v rezimu server a na druhym se pusti test, pakety pak litaj PC1-->PC2-->PC1. From bratrk at centrum.cz Sun Feb 8 21:52:53 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Sun Feb 8 21:53:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 References: <3FB968100005A6A3@stateless2.tiscali.cz> <001901c3ee2d$d7f87830$020a210a@marekbk> <20040208172508.B10059@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001f01c3ee8d$e78f6640$020a210a@marekbk> Diky za odpoved. Otestujuje a dam vedet. (cca. za mesic) Report o stavbe ronji nejaky vytvorime, myslim ze je lepsi napsat ze nam ronja funguje nejaky ten mesic a ne jen par dni... fotky jsou k videni na http://10.33.0.10/images/fotky/ (bohuzel jen v czfree). Se stavbou dalsich kousku ronji cekame na novy TP modul, PCI sloty totiz v routeru uplne dosly :-) bk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] NE592 > On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 11:25:14AM +0100, bratrk wrote: > > Ahoj, > > potreboval bych radu. > > Byl jsem na navsteve u Skeptika a valelo se mu tam nohama nahoru par brouku > > s oznacenim > > > > taivan 340X > > UA733CN > > > > a > > > > T 851309 > > uA733PC > > Jo koukal jsem se na datasheety a podle datasheetu se pouzit > daj. Diky za tip. Pridal jsem to do ekvivalentu. > > Jestli to s tim postavis tak dej prosimte vedet jak to chodi nebo > se zeptej Skeptika jestli mu nejaky kusy s tim chodej a jak. Melo > by to chodit uplne stejne jako s NE592. > > > jsou zamenitelne s NE592? > > Skeptik tvrdi ze jo, chtel bych si to overit, zda je nekdo pouzil a zda s > > nimi receiver funguje. > > Bohuzel jsem ten typ co si veme planek a podle nej neco udela, v > > elektrotechnice mam nulove zkusenosti > > Na takovyto pristup je Ronja stavena, to je v poradku :) Neni treba > mit zkusenosti, od toho je tam ten navod. > > > (az tedy na jeden funkcni spoj ronja na 300m :-) bratrk-intralet ) > > hehe to je dobry to ani nevim :) Nechcete poslat nejaky info a nechat > ten spoj zaradit do galerie? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From zavadilm at centrum.cz Mon Feb 9 08:19:33 2004 From: zavadilm at centrum.cz (Marek Zavadil) Date: Mon Feb 9 08:20:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TX leds - prodam Message-ID: <20040209081954Z1022042-14867+110384@mail.centrum.cz> Mame 58 ks HPWT-BD00-E4000 25 kc/ks, >9 ks 23 kc/ks K vyzvednuti v Praze , Brne v C. Budejovicich nebo postou - postovne bude pripocitano. xzavadil (na) fi.muni.cz icq:109960335 -------------------- Odes?lejte a p?ij?mejte e-maily p??mo z mobiln?ho telefonu. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesAndTariffs/specialOffer.html?list=38897 From clock at twibright.com Mon Feb 9 14:44:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Feb 9 14:44:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] fotky Ronja bratrk - czfree In-Reply-To: <001f01c3ee8d$e78f6640$020a210a@marekbk>; from bratrk@centrum.cz on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 10:52:53PM +0100 References: <3FB968100005A6A3@stateless2.tiscali.cz> <001901c3ee2d$d7f87830$020a210a@marekbk> <20040208172508.B10059@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3ee8d$e78f6640$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <20040209144419.B8347@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 10:52:53PM +0100, bratrk wrote: > Diky za odpoved. > > Otestujuje a dam vedet. (cca. za mesic) > > Report o stavbe ronji nejaky vytvorime, myslim ze je lepsi napsat ze nam > ronja funguje nejaky ten mesic a ne jen par dni... > fotky jsou k videni na http://10.33.0.10/images/fotky/ (bohuzel jen v > czfree). Je to nejaky divny to czfree. Stahuju to wgetem prvni soubor (html) se stahnul 14kB/s, druhy (jpg) dosahl 289B/s a vytuh na nekolik minut. Pak jsem to breaknul a pustil znova a vytuhlo to znova, tentokrat misto 2. souboru pro zmenu na 3. spojeni. Tak jsem nastavil -T 5 aby se to po 5 sekundach zabilo a zkusilo znova a jakz takz se to stahovalo. Po asi 5 minutach stahovani se to dostalo do nasledujiciho stavu: --15:45:05-- http://bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg (try: 3) => `bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg' Connecting to bratrk.letnany.czf[10.33.0.10]:80... failed: No route to host. Retrying. --15:45:08-- http://bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg (try: 4) => `bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg' Connecting to bratrk.letnany.czf[10.33.0.10]:80... failed: No route to host. Retrying. --15:45:12-- http://bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg (try: 5) => `bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg' Connecting to bratrk.letnany.czf[10.33.0.10]:80... failed: No route to host. Retrying. --15:45:18-- http://bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg (try: 6) => `bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg' Connecting to bratrk.letnany.czf[10.33.0.10]:80... failed: No route to host. Retrying. [clock@land clock]$ ping 10.33.0.10 PING 10.33.0.10 (10.33.0.10) 56(84) bytes of data. From 10.24.1.9 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable [clock@land clock]$ traceroute 10.33.0.10 traceroute to 10.33.0.10 (10.33.0.10), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 ap.krynn.vypal.czf (10.28.1.1) 12.419 ms 3.586 ms 2.668 ms 2 jarov.krynn.vypal.czf (10.28.64.2) 180.955 ms 23.721 ms 16.299 ms 3 jtop.connected.jarov.czf (10.24.1.9) 9.046 ms !H 5.339 ms !H 17.241 ms !H mtr: Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst 1. ap.krynn.vypal.czf 0% 3 3 3 2 5 10 2. jarov.krynn.vypal.czf 0% 3 3 8 8 29 65 3. ??? mtr po minute: 1. ap.krynn.vypal.czf 6% 18 19 2 2 5 25 2. jarov.krynn.vypal.czf 0% 19 19 12 5 36 256 3. jtop.connected.jarov.czf 27% 14 19 10 4 51 225 4. rman.jtop.prosek.czf 34% 12 18 7 7 33 133 5. bratrk.letnany.czf 39% 11 18 115 15 92 314 Pak se stahovani zase rozbehlo. Po dalsich zhruba 2 minutach opet: no route to host. Zhruba po 10 retryich se to zase rozbehlo. Kde spadlo spojeni tentokrat se mi nepodarilo nahrabnout protoze jsem dostatecne rychle nezareagoval s pingem, traceroutem a mtr. Po dalsi zhruba minute opet blok zhruba 10x no route to host Rekl jsem si ze dlouhodobeji necham bezet behem stahovani to mtr na bratrk.letnany.czf, mozna se uvidi, kde to vsude pada. Mezi rmanem a bratrk je alarmujici packetloss 39%: Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst 1. ap.krynn.vypal.czf 0% 143 143 2 2 4 28 2. jarov.krynn.vypal.czf 2% 141 143 36 4 93 514 3. jtop.connected.jarov.czf 0% 143 143 5 4 108 592 4. rman.jtop.prosek.czf 2% 140 142 20 7 122 584 5. bratrk.letnany.czf 39% 88 142 46 15 198 703 Domnivam se ze nejpravdepodobnejsi pricinou tohoto packetlossu bude nejaky traffic shaper kdesi u rmana nabo bratrka, ktery takto reaguje na provoz generovany mym stahovanim obrazku (wget AFAIK stahuje jenom jednim TCP spojenim, aspon se tak podle toho co vypisoval tvaril, tak si myslim, ze mnou generovany provoz je zcela bezny provoz ktery by nemel mit zadny podstatny vliv na funkcnost site) Stahovani dale asi 10 minut jelo, nacez se objevilo pri jednom pokusu no route to host a stahovani pokracovalo. Vetsina spojeni behem cele doby stahovani chvili bezela, pak se zastavila, uplynulo 5 sekund a vytimeoutovala. Pak wget navazal v pulce stazeneho souboru, opet spojeni chvili bezelo, pak se zaseklo, po 5 sekundach zaseknuti vytimeoutovalo a vsechno se znova opakovalo.Znamena to, ze packetloss po ceste je tak vysoky, ze nasledkem TCP backoff mechanismu dochazi k zatuhavani spojeni aniz by se po casovy usek delsi nez 5 sekund prenesl jediny paket. Rychlost nicmene dosahovala behem "normalnich useku stahovani" i 30kB/s (240kbps), zda se tedy, ze problem neni v nedostatecne pruchodnosti site, ale v prilis vysokem packetlossu. Zkousel jsem take zastavit mtr klavesou 'p' abych krome TCP wgetu negeneroval zadny dalsi provoz, ale frekvence zatuhavani a naslednych opakovane spojovani se nijak viditelne nesnizila. Po odhadem tak 20 minutach stahovani (15.33) se stalo tohle - na chvili to zatuhlo (no route to host wget nepsal) ale mtr ukazoval, ze jarov.krynn je dostupny, ale jtop je nedostupny. Po asi pul minute to zmizelo, aby se to objevilo po dalsi minute zhruba na 5 sekund znova. V 15.35 potreti, zhruba na pul minuty (failed: no route to host tentokrat nastalo). 15.37 poctvrte, asi 5 sekund Po skonceni stahovani vypadala statistika mtr takhle: 1. ap.krynn.vypal.czf 2% 2385 2419 2 2 4 54 2. jarov.krynn.vypal.czf 2% 2376 2419 4 4 55 1562 3. jtop.connected.jarov.czf 8% 2245 2419 5 4 60 1489 4. rman.jtop.prosek.czf 9% 2211 2418 16 6 86 1291 5. bratrk.letnany.czf 45% 1339 2418 99 9 156 1555 Pustil jsem potom mtr bez stahovani a ukazalo se, ze packetloss mezi rmanem a bratrkem neni zpusoben mym TCP provozem od wgetu jak jsem si nejdrive myslel, ale je tam i bez toho, aniz by odstraneni wgetu melo na nej nejaky vliv: 1. ap.krynn.vypal.czf 2% 91 92 4 2 3 15 2. jarov.krynn.vypal.czf 5% 87 91 33 4 24 181 3. jtop.connected.jarov.czf 0% 91 91 6 4 28 550 4. rman.jtop.prosek.czf 0% 91 91 19 6 54 477 5. bratrk.letnany.czf 43% 52 91 103 15 114 585 Berte tohle jako bugreport na prislusnou cast site czfree. Cl< > > Se stavbou dalsich kousku ronji cekame na novy TP modul, PCI sloty totiz v > routeru uplne dosly :-) > > bk From salac at certicon.cz Mon Feb 9 16:03:25 2004 From: salac at certicon.cz (Martin Salac) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:05:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FILTR References: <009401c3ecdc$8a048c60$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <4027AF4D.6090807@certicon.cz> David Sedl??ek wrote: > Zdravim, Cau > 1) ve schematu TP v.3 interface je IC filtr, jaky IC si pod tim mam > predstavit? ...Slysel jsem, ze je to nejaky filtr ze sitovky.... kdo vi... Normalni filtr ze situle - ja nevim - trebas VALOR FL 1173, FL 1012, Delta LAN F7236G nebo takneco. Ale pozor, ne vsechna traficka maji stejne vystupy a vstupy. je treba najit na webu datasheet. > 2) v TX jsou rezistory R1-R8, ale jsou neoznacene... kde je mozno tyto > hodnoty vycist? Ze by byly stejne jako u Shimiho schematu? :-) > Dekuji ;) Neni zac Marsal From salac at certicon.cz Mon Feb 9 16:21:06 2004 From: salac at certicon.cz (Martin Salac) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:22:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB References: <3FB968100005A1C4@stateless2.tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <4027B372.4050201@certicon.cz> cb374521@tiscali.cz wrote: > Zdravim, Cao > narazil jsem na fatalni problem.. Chtel jsem zkonstruovat ronju na jednostrane > verzi plosnaku v0.1 na SImandlovych strankach http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > . On sam mi samozrejme nic neodepsal, a proto se obracim sem. Ze by byl tyden ve Francii na lyzickach? Jo - to je presne tim. Ja ho za to ztlucu (nevzal me s sebou). :-) > Totiz u TX > chybi hodnoty rezistoru R1-R8, R11 a kondenzator C21 u RX . Je to opravdu > prekazka, kterou nejsem schopen prekonat, uz to tady potrebovalo vic lidi.. > Nakoupil jsem vetsinu soucastek a ted mi budou asi na dve veci. Nezoufej - hodnoty jsou stejne jako ze Simiho tistaku, ktere jsou na Simovych strankach nad navrhy RX/TX 0.1. Ale abys nerek' tak je to asi takhle: TX: R1 - 82 R2 - 1k R3 - 1k R4 - 820 R5 - 820 R6 - 47k R7 - 27k R8 - 100k RX: C21 - 100u/16 V > Dekuji za reply ... Nemas zac, ale je to absolutne bez zaruky, mohl jsem se prehlednout. Marsal From clock at twibright.com Mon Feb 9 17:14:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Feb 9 17:14:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja 10M Metropolis In-Reply-To: <002c01c3ef26$e867fa70$200a8f0a@tkm>; from thekeymaster@gmx.co.uk on Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 06:08:06PM +0200 References: <002c01c3ef26$e867fa70$200a8f0a@tkm> Message-ID: <20040209171433.B8484@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 06:08:06PM +0200, TheKeyMaster wrote: > Dear Sir/Madam, > > I am intersted in assembling two optical data links in order to link to > different buildings. I would like to ask you how is it possible to get > all the needed parts and what is the cost for them. I live in Greece. Is Ronja is designed so that getting all the necessary parts in local retail stores is not problem. If you can't get something, ask on the mailing list, the most difficult to get parts users usually buy in larger quantity and then sell each to other. > it possible to send the parts from your country? I am sorry if the > answers to my questions are somewhere in the website but I found it > really exciting and didn't want to lose time. First look if you can get them locally. Cl< From cb374521 at tiscali.cz Mon Feb 9 18:23:48 2004 From: cb374521 at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Feb 9 18:23:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB References: <3FB968100005A1C4@stateless2.tiscali.cz> <4027B372.4050201@certicon.cz> Message-ID: <002401c3ef39$dcdcfb70$4880280a@DAVID> Jo, neco jsem o tom cetl, ale jestli byl nekde ve Francii, to ti nereknu :) ... Jinak dik za info, napsalo mi to uz aspon 100 lidi, nejak jsem totiz zapomel, ze by to snad mohlo byt kompatibilni : D s Ronjou, a tak jsem to pak vsechno nasel ve schematu... Stejne se zas najde nekdo jako ja, dokud se to tam nedopise... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Salac" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem pri stavbe Ronjy na PCB > cb374521@tiscali.cz wrote: > > Zdravim, > > Cao > > > narazil jsem na fatalni problem.. Chtel jsem zkonstruovat ronju na jednostrane > > verzi plosnaku v0.1 na SImandlovych strankach http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > > . On sam mi samozrejme nic neodepsal, a proto se obracim sem. > > Ze by byl tyden ve Francii na lyzickach? Jo - to je presne tim. > Ja ho za to ztlucu (nevzal me s sebou). :-) > > > Totiz u TX > > chybi hodnoty rezistoru R1-R8, R11 a kondenzator C21 u RX . Je to opravdu > > prekazka, kterou nejsem schopen prekonat, uz to tady potrebovalo vic lidi.. > > Nakoupil jsem vetsinu soucastek a ted mi budou asi na dve veci. > > Nezoufej - hodnoty jsou stejne jako ze Simiho tistaku, ktere jsou na > Simovych strankach > nad navrhy RX/TX 0.1. > > Ale abys nerek' tak je to asi takhle: > TX: > R1 - 82 > R2 - 1k > R3 - 1k > R4 - 820 > R5 - 820 > R6 - 47k > R7 - 27k > R8 - 100k > > RX: > C21 - 100u/16 V > > > Dekuji za reply ... > > Nemas zac, ale je to absolutne bez zaruky, mohl jsem se prehlednout. > > Marsal > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From bratrk at centrum.cz Mon Feb 9 21:20:31 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Mon Feb 9 21:20:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] fotky Ronja bratrk - czfree References: <3FB968100005A6A3@stateless2.tiscali.cz> <001901c3ee2d$d7f87830$020a210a@marekbk> <20040208172508.B10059@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3ee8d$e78f6640$020a210a@marekbk> <20040209144419.B8347@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001301c3ef52$8d05a520$020a210a@marekbk> Bug v tomhle spoji je znamy, primy spoj bratrk-rman jde prez HW AP Thundernetu a PL z obou stran je bezne 20-50%. Je to v reseni a zruseni tohohle spoje a nahrazeni jinym se planuje na tento tyden. Jen je zajimave ze se to tudy routuje, kdz je to mnohem levnejsi prez prosek :-(.. Dalsi moznost je pockat az budou natazene Ronji Bratrk-Reaper-Yenik (soucastky na TX, RX mam, lupy taky, cekam na TP :-) )... *bk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: [Ronja] fotky Ronja bratrk - czfree > On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 10:52:53PM +0100, bratrk wrote: > > Diky za odpoved. > > > > Otestujuje a dam vedet. (cca. za mesic) > > > > Report o stavbe ronji nejaky vytvorime, myslim ze je lepsi napsat ze nam > > ronja funguje nejaky ten mesic a ne jen par dni... > > fotky jsou k videni na http://10.33.0.10/images/fotky/ (bohuzel jen v > > czfree). > > Je to nejaky divny to czfree. Stahuju to wgetem prvni soubor (html) se stahnul > 14kB/s, druhy (jpg) dosahl 289B/s a vytuh na nekolik minut. Pak jsem to > breaknul a pustil znova a vytuhlo to znova, tentokrat misto 2. souboru > pro zmenu na 3. spojeni. > > Tak jsem nastavil -T 5 aby se to po 5 sekundach zabilo a zkusilo znova > a jakz takz se to stahovalo. > > Po asi 5 minutach stahovani se to dostalo do nasledujiciho stavu: > > --15:45:05-- http://bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg > (try: 3) => `bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg' > Connecting to bratrk.letnany.czf[10.33.0.10]:80... failed: No route to host. > Retrying. > > --15:45:08-- http://bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg > (try: 4) => `bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg' > Connecting to bratrk.letnany.czf[10.33.0.10]:80... failed: No route to host. > Retrying. > > --15:45:12-- http://bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg > (try: 5) => `bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg' > Connecting to bratrk.letnany.czf[10.33.0.10]:80... failed: No route to host. > Retrying. > > --15:45:18-- http://bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg > (try: 6) => `bratrk.letnany.czf/images/fotky/original/IMG_4819.jpg' > Connecting to bratrk.letnany.czf[10.33.0.10]:80... failed: No route to host. > Retrying. > > [clock@land clock]$ ping 10.33.0.10 > PING 10.33.0.10 (10.33.0.10) 56(84) bytes of data. > >From 10.24.1.9 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable > > [clock@land clock]$ traceroute 10.33.0.10 > traceroute to 10.33.0.10 (10.33.0.10), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets > 1 ap.krynn.vypal.czf (10.28.1.1) 12.419 ms 3.586 ms 2.668 ms > 2 jarov.krynn.vypal.czf (10.28.64.2) 180.955 ms 23.721 ms 16.299 ms > 3 jtop.connected.jarov.czf (10.24.1.9) 9.046 ms !H 5.339 ms !H 17.241 ms !H > > mtr: > > Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst > 1. ap.krynn.vypal.czf 0% 3 3 3 2 5 10 > 2. jarov.krynn.vypal.czf 0% 3 3 8 8 29 65 > 3. ??? > > mtr po minute: > > 1. ap.krynn.vypal.czf 6% 18 19 2 2 5 25 > 2. jarov.krynn.vypal.czf 0% 19 19 12 5 36 256 > 3. jtop.connected.jarov.czf 27% 14 19 10 4 51 225 > 4. rman.jtop.prosek.czf 34% 12 18 7 7 33 133 > 5. bratrk.letnany.czf 39% 11 18 115 15 92 314 > > Pak se stahovani zase rozbehlo. > > Po dalsich zhruba 2 minutach opet: no route to host. > > Zhruba po 10 retryich se to zase rozbehlo. > > Kde spadlo spojeni tentokrat se mi nepodarilo nahrabnout protoze jsem dostatecne > rychle nezareagoval s pingem, traceroutem a mtr. > > Po dalsi zhruba minute opet blok zhruba 10x no route to host > > Rekl jsem si ze dlouhodobeji necham bezet behem stahovani to mtr na bratrk.letnany.czf, > mozna se uvidi, kde to vsude pada. > > Mezi rmanem a bratrk je alarmujici packetloss 39%: > > Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst > 1. ap.krynn.vypal.czf 0% 143 143 2 2 4 28 > 2. jarov.krynn.vypal.czf 2% 141 143 36 4 93 514 > 3. jtop.connected.jarov.czf 0% 143 143 5 4 108 592 > 4. rman.jtop.prosek.czf 2% 140 142 20 7 122 584 > 5. bratrk.letnany.czf 39% 88 142 46 15 198 703 > > Domnivam se ze nejpravdepodobnejsi pricinou tohoto packetlossu bude nejaky > traffic shaper kdesi u rmana nabo bratrka, ktery takto reaguje na provoz > generovany mym stahovanim obrazku (wget AFAIK stahuje jenom jednim TCP > spojenim, aspon se tak podle toho co vypisoval tvaril, tak si myslim, ze mnou > generovany provoz je zcela bezny provoz ktery by nemel mit zadny podstatny > vliv na funkcnost site) > > Stahovani dale asi 10 minut jelo, nacez se objevilo pri jednom pokusu no route > to host a stahovani pokracovalo. > > Vetsina spojeni behem cele doby stahovani chvili bezela, pak se zastavila, > uplynulo 5 sekund a vytimeoutovala. Pak wget navazal v pulce stazeneho > souboru, opet spojeni chvili bezelo, pak se zaseklo, po 5 sekundach zaseknuti > vytimeoutovalo a vsechno se znova opakovalo.Znamena to, ze packetloss po ceste > je tak vysoky, ze nasledkem TCP backoff mechanismu dochazi k zatuhavani spojeni > aniz by se po casovy usek delsi nez 5 sekund prenesl jediny paket. > > Rychlost nicmene dosahovala behem "normalnich useku stahovani" i 30kB/s > (240kbps), zda se tedy, ze problem neni v nedostatecne pruchodnosti site, ale v > prilis vysokem packetlossu. > > Zkousel jsem take zastavit mtr klavesou 'p' abych krome TCP wgetu negeneroval > zadny dalsi provoz, ale frekvence zatuhavani a naslednych opakovane spojovani se > nijak viditelne nesnizila. > > Po odhadem tak 20 minutach stahovani (15.33) se stalo tohle - na chvili > to zatuhlo (no route to host wget nepsal) ale mtr ukazoval, ze jarov.krynn > je dostupny, ale jtop je nedostupny. Po asi pul minute to zmizelo, aby se > to objevilo po dalsi minute zhruba na 5 sekund znova. V 15.35 potreti, > zhruba na pul minuty (failed: no route to host tentokrat nastalo). > 15.37 poctvrte, asi 5 sekund > > Po skonceni stahovani vypadala statistika mtr takhle: > 1. ap.krynn.vypal.czf 2% 2385 2419 2 2 4 54 > 2. jarov.krynn.vypal.czf 2% 2376 2419 4 4 55 1562 > 3. jtop.connected.jarov.czf 8% 2245 2419 5 4 60 1489 > 4. rman.jtop.prosek.czf 9% 2211 2418 16 6 86 1291 > 5. bratrk.letnany.czf 45% 1339 2418 99 9 156 1555 > > Pustil jsem potom mtr bez stahovani a ukazalo se, ze packetloss mezi rmanem a > bratrkem neni zpusoben mym TCP provozem od wgetu jak jsem si nejdrive myslel, > ale je tam i bez toho, aniz by odstraneni wgetu melo na nej nejaky vliv: > > 1. ap.krynn.vypal.czf 2% 91 92 4 2 3 15 > 2. jarov.krynn.vypal.czf 5% 87 91 33 4 24 181 > 3. jtop.connected.jarov.czf 0% 91 91 6 4 28 550 > 4. rman.jtop.prosek.czf 0% 91 91 19 6 54 477 > 5. bratrk.letnany.czf 43% 52 91 103 15 114 585 > > Berte tohle jako bugreport na prislusnou cast site czfree. > > Cl< > > > > Se stavbou dalsich kousku ronji cekame na novy TP modul, PCI sloty totiz v > > routeru uplne dosly :-) > > > > bk > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From jk at karabina.cz Tue Feb 10 04:49:48 2004 From: jk at karabina.cz (Jan Karabina) Date: Tue Feb 10 04:49:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Film o Ronje In-Reply-To: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src>; from clock@twibright.com on Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 10:22:54PM +0000 References: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040210054948.A21382@www> co se zkusit zeptat lidi z "Audio vizualniho centra SilikonHillu" (www.sh.cvut.cz, avc@sh.cvut.cz) ale to zase nejsou zadni umelci :) ale mohli by natocit nejake HOWTO :) > Na czfree se diskutuje napad vyvorit propagacni film o czfree - myslim si, > ze by bylo zajimavejsi natocit film o tom, jak se stavi takova Ronja, kde > by bylo pokud mozno vysvetleny vsechny ukony co se delaji. -- Jan Karabina mailto:karabij@feld.cvut.cz From simandl at mujmail.cz Tue Feb 10 10:07:59 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Tue Feb 10 10:07:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky In-Reply-To: <015601c3eaa2$29de1e50$4805150a@kalvak> References: <401FCC4E.1000908@certicon.cz><401FFCCA.8070306@host.sk> <40200190.3080707@host.sk><014701c3ea9b$518be920$4805150a@kalvak> <4020142C.5050401@host.sk> <015601c3eaa2$29de1e50$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <4028AD7F.3070009@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, byl jsem na lyzich takze to ctu az ted. 1. te plosnaky nesu simandlove ale pepove, pretoze je udelal Pepa. 2. soucastky tam jsou takove jako jinde. Prosim poradne si prohlidnete schemata a pochopite vsechny ty "prazdne vyvody" (je to proto ze IO jsou na sobe) a civky a tak podobne. 3. S tema plosnakama zverejnujeme vysledky prubezne a tak to NENI odzkousene a NENI to odladene. Neptejte se prosim na vic nez je na webu protoze vic toho neni a nebo se to stejne za par dni na webu objevi. Proste je to v pohybu a vase dotazy zbytecne zdrzuji. 4. Kdyz uz se ptate tak ne primo mailem ale sem do konference. Pokud vam nikdo v konferenci neodpovi tak to samo o sobe neco znamena :) (treba ze je nekdo na dovolene v Alpach) hezky den Martin Polehla napsal(a): > Psal sem to do ronja mail listu, ale nikdo mi nepomoh... pomuzes mi prosim > ty ? > > Ahoj, > > Koukal sem na verze 0.1 a neco mi nejni jasne: > > TX schema mi pripadne nekompletni - nemuzu vycist hodnoty R1-R8, R10, R11 a > kam vedou prazdne vyvody paralelni k 74HC04N (predpokladam, ze tamtez)... > > U RX akorat nevim C21. > > U RX a TX pak este L1 (predpokladam, ze civky) ... jake ? daji se nejak > vyrobit ? > > Dekuji za pomoc > pOlOus > polous@katka.biz Martin Polehla napsal(a): > Zatim na tom pracuju... a musim sehnat traficka. > > pOlOus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcel Hecko" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Simandlove plosaky > > > >>Presne toto som mal na mysli...napisal som tam mail....btw ty si ktore >>dal robit? 0.3? ako fachaju? uz si ich skusal? nejake problemy? >>zadrhely? nieco podobne? >> >>maco From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 10 13:19:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Feb 10 13:19:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Film o Ronje In-Reply-To: <20040210054948.A21382@www>; from jk@karabina.cz on Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 05:49:48AM +0100 References: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> <20040210054948.A21382@www> Message-ID: <20040210131909.B443@beton.cybernet.src> Ahoj lidi Resim(e) zde myslenku jestli by nestalo za to natocit nejaky volne siritelny film o Ronje. Nejlepsi se mi zda, aby to byl film bud zcela poucne ladeny ve forme navodu, jak se to dela, nebo navod s nejakymi hororne-parodickymi prvky (treba ve stylu hororu, kde ovsem se ukaze, ze vse, co v divakovi vzbuzovalo bezmeznou hruzu, kdo tentokrat zarve, se ukazalo byti nakonec neskodnou obrabeci operaci ;-) ) Viz taky film Aliance IV, ktery se tocil u nas na matfyzu, zadny navod k nicemu to nebyl, ale byla to aspon sranda, jestli to znate. Nechteli byste neco takovyho natocit? Cl< On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 05:49:48AM +0100, Jan Karabina wrote: > co se zkusit zeptat lidi z "Audio vizualniho centra SilikonHillu" (www.sh.cvut.cz, avc@sh.cvut.cz) > ale to zase nejsou zadni umelci :) ale mohli by natocit nejake HOWTO :) > > > Na czfree se diskutuje napad vyvorit propagacni film o czfree - myslim si, > > ze by bylo zajimavejsi natocit film o tom, jak se stavi takova Ronja, kde > > by bylo pokud mozno vysvetleny vsechny ukony co se delaji. > > -- > Jan Karabina mailto:karabij@feld.cvut.cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From bratrk at centrum.cz Tue Feb 10 18:17:10 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Tue Feb 10 18:17:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] silikonovaci postup References: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> <20040210054948.A21382@www> <20040210131909.B443@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <027501c3f002$19add790$020a210a@marekbk> Myslim ze v navodu na silikonovani neni zadna rada jak se uchranit od hnusneho olepeni silikonem pri silikonovani cocek a vsech spar. Postup je jednoduchy: Pri uhlazovani silikonu prstem je zadouci tento smocit v mydlove vode (nebo jarove vode). Silikon se pak na prst nelepi nevytvari zadne nepekne prelozky nebo vybehy. Prst se pak velmi jednoduse otre do ubrousku. Jarova voda pusobi jako separator. Myslim ze v nekterem prekladu navodu jsem cetl ze se silikon neda z prstu dostat, takhel se na prst ani neprilepi... bk From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 10 18:30:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Feb 10 18:30:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] silikonovaci postup In-Reply-To: <027501c3f002$19add790$020a210a@marekbk>; from bratrk@centrum.cz on Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 07:17:10PM +0100 References: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> <20040210054948.A21382@www> <20040210131909.B443@beton.cybernet.src> <027501c3f002$19add790$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <20040210183013.B1070@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 07:17:10PM +0100, bratrk wrote: > Myslim ze v navodu na silikonovani neni zadna rada jak se uchranit od > hnusneho olepeni silikonem pri silikonovani cocek a vsech spar. > Postup je jednoduchy: > Pri uhlazovani silikonu prstem je zadouci tento smocit v mydlove vode (nebo > jarove vode). Silikon se pak na prst nelepi nevytvari zadne nepekne prelozky > nebo vybehy. Prst se pak velmi jednoduse otre do ubrousku. > Jarova voda pusobi jako separator. > > Myslim ze v nekterem prekladu navodu jsem cetl ze se silikon neda z prstu > dostat, takhel se na prst ani neprilepi... Ja jsem to s mydlovou vodou zkousel a nefungovalo mi to - mel jsem tehdy kysely silikon. Pak jsem to tlemil tak, ze jsem to delal bez ty mejdlovy vody a otrel jsem si pazouru do papiru na konci :) Jaky mas silikon ty? Neutralni? Jestli to fakt funguje tak ja to tam napisu :) Nebo mozna jsem mel malo mejdlovou vodu :) S jarovou jsem to nezkousel. Musi bejt hodne husta ta jarova? Cl< > > bk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Feb 11 06:58:14 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Feb 11 06:58:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] silikonovaci postup In-Reply-To: <20040210183013.B1070@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> <027501c3f002$19add790$020a210a@marekbk> <20040210183013.B1070@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200402110758.14722.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 10. ?nora 2004 19:30 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 07:17:10PM +0100, bratrk wrote: > > Myslim ze v navodu na silikonovani neni zadna rada jak se uchranit od > > hnusneho olepeni silikonem pri silikonovani cocek a vsech spar. > > Postup je jednoduchy: > > Pri uhlazovani silikonu prstem je zadouci tento smocit v mydlove vode > > (nebo jarove vode). Silikon se pak na prst nelepi nevytvari zadne nepekne > > prelozky nebo vybehy. Prst se pak velmi jednoduse otre do ubrousku. > > Jarova voda pusobi jako separator. > > > > Myslim ze v nekterem prekladu navodu jsem cetl ze se silikon neda z prstu > > dostat, takhel se na prst ani neprilepi... > > Ja jsem to s mydlovou vodou zkousel a nefungovalo mi to - mel jsem tehdy > kysely silikon. Pak jsem to tlemil tak, ze jsem to delal bez ty mejdlovy > vody a otrel jsem si pazouru do papiru na konci :) Jaky mas silikon ty? > Neutralni? Jestli to fakt funguje tak ja to tam napisu :) > > Nebo mozna jsem mel malo mejdlovou vodu :) S jarovou jsem to nezkousel. > Musi bejt hodne husta ta jarova? Kdyz silikonuju (ted jsem napr. silikonoval pracovni desku, to musi byt provedeno zvlast dobre - > trestne body od mazelky) tak davam pomer 1:1 vody s jarem. A jeste steteckem natru tou jarovou vodou okoli spary abych to nezamatlal cele a hlavne aby se v okoli spary neudelala tenoucka vrstva silikonu, ta se casem trha, a zanasi se bordelem, coz ovsem u Ronji asi moc nevadi. Zatim mi ta jarova voda fungovala na vsechny silikony co jsem dostal doruky. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 11 11:28:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 11:28:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Gallery news Message-ID: <20040211112810.A27277@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Welcome new track, 51th registered one, in Prague, Letnany, built by bratrk & intralet. It has been added into tour (track no. 35) and into gallery http://images.twibright.com/tns/e20.html I have also added Ronja and Twibright Labs links into the gallery for improved navigation. Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Feb 11 13:01:25 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 13:01:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamena soucastek References: <20040209081954Z1022042-14867+110384@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000b01c3f09f$2853e940$4880280a@DAVID> Zdravim, 1. zalezi na tom, ze jsem zamenil BF908 za BF988? 2. je nejaka alternativa k 2N3020? Sice jsem uz objednal od vyrobce, ale kdovi kdy to prijde... Thanks From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Feb 11 13:12:58 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 13:12:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamena soucastek References: <20040209081954Z1022042-14867+110384@mail.centrum.cz> <000b01c3f09f$2853e940$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <002101c3f0a0$c63520b0$4880280a@DAVID> Jeste jedna vec -> nevadi, kdyz zamenim 330uH drat. civku, za 330uH tlumivku? Hadam, ze je to jedno... > Zdravim, > > > 1. zalezi na tom, ze jsem zamenil BF908 za BF988? > 2. je nejaka alternativa k 2N3020? Sice jsem uz objednal od vyrobce, ale > kdovi kdy to prijde... > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cb374521 at tiscali.cz Wed Feb 11 13:11:47 2004 From: cb374521 at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 13:13:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamena soucastek References: <20040209081954Z1022042-14867+110384@mail.centrum.cz> <000b01c3f09f$2853e940$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <002001c3f0a0$c5c791d0$4880280a@DAVID> Jeste jedna vec -> nevadi zamena "dratene" civky, za 330uH tlumivku? > Zdravim, > > > 1. zalezi na tom, ze jsem zamenil BF908 za BF988? > 2. je nejaka alternativa k 2N3020? Sice jsem uz objednal od vyrobce, ale > kdovi kdy to prijde... > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From schum at seznam.cz Wed Feb 11 14:59:23 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 14:59:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP trafa Message-ID: <6949.18528-18010-764485886-1076511562@seznam.cz> Zdravim v?echny pravdepodobne v pondel? dostanu dodavku TP traficek typ FB 2022, je to to same co 20F001, data viz http://realtek.info/pdf/FBxxxx%20Series.pdf budu mit tak 20 navic, takze kdyby byl zajem ozvete se Mirek Schumann ____________________________________________________________ Osvobodili jsme dom?c? internet. GTS Pohoda Doma je dom?c? internet za m?s??n? pau??l 491,- K?*. Bu?te nez?visl?! www.gtsdoma.cz *bez DPH http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=69998%26url=http://ad2.bbmedia.cz/please/redirect/126/12/8/7/?param=4296/4873_1 From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 11 15:05:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:05:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamena soucastek In-Reply-To: <000b01c3f09f$2853e940$4880280a@DAVID>; from sedlacek.d@sattnet.cz on Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 02:01:25PM +0100 References: <20040209081954Z1022042-14867+110384@mail.centrum.cz> <000b01c3f09f$2853e940$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <20040211150551.B27407@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 02:01:25PM +0100, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Zdravim, > > > 1. zalezi na tom, ze jsem zamenil BF908 za BF988? Ne. > 2. je nejaka alternativa k 2N3020? Sice jsem uz objednal od vyrobce, ale > kdovi kdy to prijde... 2N3020? nema to byt 2N3904? Sorry zapomnel jsem to k aui forte napsat - uz jsem to opravil: 2N3904MMBT3904 (2N3904 in SOT-23 case), PZT3904 (2N3904 in SOT-223 case), 2N2369A, 2N2369, 2N2222, BC547C, BC547B, BC547A, BC547 Cl< > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 11 15:06:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:06:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamena soucastek In-Reply-To: <002001c3f0a0$c5c791d0$4880280a@DAVID>; from cb374521@tiscali.cz on Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 02:11:47PM +0100 References: <20040209081954Z1022042-14867+110384@mail.centrum.cz> <000b01c3f09f$2853e940$4880280a@DAVID> <002001c3f0a0$c5c791d0$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <20040211150631.C27407@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 02:11:47PM +0100, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Jeste jedna vec -> nevadi zamena "dratene" civky, za 330uH tlumivku? Dejte tam mensi - 330uH bude mit uz mozna tak vysoke parazitni parametry ze s ni tyhle vfysoke frekvence bez povsimnuti projdou. Cl< > > > > Zdravim, > > > > > > 1. zalezi na tom, ze jsem zamenil BF908 za BF988? > > 2. je nejaka alternativa k 2N3020? Sice jsem uz objednal od vyrobce, ale > > kdovi kdy to prijde... > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cb374521 at tiscali.cz Wed Feb 11 15:34:13 2004 From: cb374521 at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:34:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamena soucastek References: <20040209081954Z1022042-14867+110384@mail.centrum.cz><000b01c3f09f$2853e940$4880280a@DAVID><002001c3f0a0$c5c791d0$4880280a@DAVID> <20040211150631.C27407@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <007801c3f0b4$80c79990$4880280a@DAVID> Mensi? V tom pripade kolik? :) Techto mam nekolik.. tato ma odpor 1ohm a skrz proleze 4.5MHz, nestaci? Dik > On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 02:11:47PM +0100, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > Jeste jedna vec -> nevadi zamena "dratene" civky, za 330uH tlumivku? > > Dejte tam mensi - 330uH bude mit uz mozna tak vysoke parazitni parametry > ze s ni tyhle vfysoke frekvence bez povsimnuti projdou. > > Cl< > > > > > > > Zdravim, > > > > > > > > > 1. zalezi na tom, ze jsem zamenil BF908 za BF988? > > > 2. je nejaka alternativa k 2N3020? Sice jsem uz objednal od vyrobce, ale > > > kdovi kdy to prijde... > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cb374521 at tiscali.cz Wed Feb 11 15:39:54 2004 From: cb374521 at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:39:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP trafa References: <6949.18528-18010-764485886-1076511562@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <009201c3f0b5$4b9ca610$4880280a@DAVID> Kolik to costuje? ----- Original Message ----- From: "schumann miroslav" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: [Ronja] TP trafa Zdravim v?echny pravdepodobne v pondel? dostanu dodavku TP traficek typ FB 2022, je to to same co 20F001, data viz http://realtek.info/pdf/FBxxxx%20Series.pdf budu mit tak 20 navic, takze kdyby byl zajem ozvete se Mirek Schumann ____________________________________________________________ Osvobodili jsme dom?c? internet. GTS Pohoda Doma je dom?c? internet za m?s??n? pau??l 491,- K?*. Bu?te nez?visl?! www.gtsdoma.cz *bez DPH http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=69998%26url=http://ad2.bbmedia.cz/pl ease/redirect/126/12/8/7/?param=4296/4873_1 _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Feb 11 15:41:42 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:41:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamena soucastek References: <20040209081954Z1022042-14867+110384@mail.centrum.cz><000b01c3f09f$2853e940$4880280a@DAVID> <20040211150551.B27407@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00ae01c3f0b5$8c30a190$4880280a@DAVID> From: "Karel Kulhav?" > On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 02:01:25PM +0100, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > Zdravim, > > > > > > 1. zalezi na tom, ze jsem zamenil BF908 za BF988? > > Ne. > > > 2. je nejaka alternativa k 2N3020? Sice jsem uz objednal od vyrobce, ale > > kdovi kdy to prijde... > > 2N3020? nema to byt 2N3904? Ma. Sorry. ;) > > Sorry zapomnel jsem to k aui forte napsat - uz jsem to opravil: > > 2N3904MMBT3904 (2N3904 in SOT-23 case), PZT3904 (2N3904 in > SOT-223 case), 2N2369A, 2N2369, 2N2222, BC547C, BC547B, BC547A, BC547 > > Cl< > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jk at karabina.cz Wed Feb 11 15:46:15 2004 From: jk at karabina.cz (Jan Karabina) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:46:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Film o Ronje In-Reply-To: <20040210131909.B443@beton.cybernet.src>; from clock@twibright.com on Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 01:19:09PM +0000 References: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> <20040210054948.A21382@www> <20040210131909.B443@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040211164615.A4412@www> kdyz se natebe vybodnou zkusil bych jeste kontaktovat treba lidi z katedry dokumentaristiky na FAMu (jestli neco takovyho existuje) nebo zurnalistiky na FSV UK (videl sem odnich vyborny film - bakalarskou praci - Kracejici rypadlo - rypadlista placici nad znicenym rypadlem v ramci ruseni hnedouhelnych dolu byl opravdu sladky ;-) Jako bakalarka je to imho docela zajimavy tema. > Ahoj lidi > > Resim(e) zde myslenku jestli by nestalo za to natocit nejaky volne siritelny > film o Ronje. Nejlepsi se mi zda, aby to byl film bud zcela poucne ladeny ve > forme navodu, jak se to dela, nebo navod s nejakymi hororne-parodickymi prvky > (treba ve stylu hororu, kde ovsem se ukaze, ze vse, co v divakovi vzbuzovalo > bezmeznou hruzu, kdo tentokrat zarve, se ukazalo byti nakonec neskodnou > obrabeci operaci ;-) ) > > Viz taky film Aliance IV, ktery se tocil u nas na matfyzu, zadny navod k nicemu > to nebyl, ale byla to aspon sranda, jestli to znate. > > Nechteli byste neco takovyho natocit? -- Jan Karabina mailto:karabij@feld.cvut.cz From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 11 15:57:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:57:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamena soucastek In-Reply-To: <007801c3f0b4$80c79990$4880280a@DAVID>; from cb374521@tiscali.cz on Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 04:34:13PM +0100 References: <20040209081954Z1022042-14867+110384@mail.centrum.cz><000b01c3f09f$2853e940$4880280a@DAVID><002001c3f0a0$c5c791d0$4880280a@DAVID> <20040211150631.C27407@beton.cybernet.src> <007801c3f0b4$80c79990$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <20040211155733.A27487@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 04:34:13PM +0100, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Mensi? V tom pripade kolik? :) > Techto mam nekolik.. tato ma odpor 1ohm a skrz proleze 4.5MHz, nestaci? No filtruje to tam asi tak 50MHz svinstvo co mi otravovalo na osciloskopu a behalo vsude po napajenich kdyz jsem to meril. Vznika to jak ty hradla spinaj. V materialu je napsano 1uH. Tak radove tolik. Cl< > > Dik > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 02:11:47PM +0100, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > > Jeste jedna vec -> nevadi zamena "dratene" civky, za 330uH tlumivku? > > > > Dejte tam mensi - 330uH bude mit uz mozna tak vysoke parazitni parametry > > ze s ni tyhle vfysoke frekvence bez povsimnuti projdou. > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > Zdravim, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. zalezi na tom, ze jsem zamenil BF908 za BF988? > > > > 2. je nejaka alternativa k 2N3020? Sice jsem uz objednal od vyrobce, > ale > > > > kdovi kdy to prijde... > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 11 15:59:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:59:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Film o Ronje In-Reply-To: <20040211164615.A4412@www>; from jk@karabina.cz on Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 04:46:15PM +0100 References: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> <20040210054948.A21382@www> <20040210131909.B443@beton.cybernet.src> <20040211164615.A4412@www> Message-ID: <20040211155907.B27487@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 04:46:15PM +0100, Jan Karabina wrote: > kdyz se natebe vybodnou zkusil bych jeste kontaktovat treba lidi z katedry dokumentaristiky na FAMu (jestli neco takovyho existuje) > nebo zurnalistiky na FSV UK (videl sem odnich vyborny film - bakalarskou praci - Kracejici rypadlo - rypadlista placici nad znicenym rypadlem v ramci ruseni hnedouhelnych dolu byl opravdu sladky ;-) > Jako bakalarka je to imho docela zajimavy tema. Jenze to nema cenu - cilem bakalarky je udelat nejakou bakalarku co projde a clovek to nedela casto proto aby se mu vysledek libil, ale aby prosel -> podle toho to tak vetsinou tyhle nucene skolni prace vypadaj. Cl< > > > Ahoj lidi > > > > Resim(e) zde myslenku jestli by nestalo za to natocit nejaky volne siritelny > > film o Ronje. Nejlepsi se mi zda, aby to byl film bud zcela poucne ladeny ve > > forme navodu, jak se to dela, nebo navod s nejakymi hororne-parodickymi prvky > > (treba ve stylu hororu, kde ovsem se ukaze, ze vse, co v divakovi vzbuzovalo > > bezmeznou hruzu, kdo tentokrat zarve, se ukazalo byti nakonec neskodnou > > obrabeci operaci ;-) ) > > > > Viz taky film Aliance IV, ktery se tocil u nas na matfyzu, zadny navod k nicemu > > to nebyl, ale byla to aspon sranda, jestli to znate. > > > > Nechteli byste neco takovyho natocit? > > -- > Jan Karabina mailto:karabij@feld.cvut.cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Feb 11 16:01:04 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 16:01:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamena soucastek References: <20040209081954Z1022042-14867+110384@mail.centrum.cz><000b01c3f09f$2853e940$4880280a@DAVID><002001c3f0a0$c5c791d0$4880280a@DAVID><20040211150631.C27407@beton.cybernet.src><007801c3f0b4$80c79990$4880280a@DAVID> <20040211155733.A27487@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00e001c3f0b8$41a00280$4880280a@DAVID> 1uH?? Ooops... doted jsem zil s domnenim, ze tam ma bejt 330uH, a tak jsem to nejak moc nehledal. Nechci tam totiz cpat tu obri civku. Dik za upozorneni! ;) > On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 04:34:13PM +0100, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > Mensi? V tom pripade kolik? :) > > Techto mam nekolik.. tato ma odpor 1ohm a skrz proleze 4.5MHz, nestaci? > > No filtruje to tam asi tak 50MHz svinstvo co mi otravovalo na osciloskopu > a behalo vsude po napajenich kdyz jsem to meril. Vznika to jak ty hradla > spinaj. > > V materialu je napsano 1uH. Tak radove tolik. > > Cl< > > > > Dik > > > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 02:11:47PM +0100, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > > > Jeste jedna vec -> nevadi zamena "dratene" civky, za 330uH tlumivku? > > > > > > Dejte tam mensi - 330uH bude mit uz mozna tak vysoke parazitni parametry > > > ze s ni tyhle vfysoke frekvence bez povsimnuti projdou. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zdravim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. zalezi na tom, ze jsem zamenil BF908 za BF988? > > > > > 2. je nejaka alternativa k 2N3020? Sice jsem uz objednal od vyrobce, > > ale > > > > > kdovi kdy to prijde... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Wed Feb 11 16:20:57 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Feb 11 16:21:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Film o Ronje In-Reply-To: <20040211155907.B27487@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> <20040210054948.A21382@www> <20040210131909.B443@beton.cybernet.src> <20040211164615.A4412@www> <20040211155907.B27487@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <402A5669.2020308@host.sk> Clovek by sa mohol na toto aj dost urazit. Ked uz niekto studuje nieco tak dlho ako sa vecsinou studia oklo dizajnu, filmu alebo cohokolvek ohladne medii studuje tak sa nepredpoklada, ze to robi len aby presiel - taky clovek by nemal dalej v zivote uplatnentie. Mam 6 rocu skolu (dizajn) a tam nikoho ani nenapadne robit navrhy len aby presiel. Nutene skolne prace....clovece...nutene je mozno ucit sa matematicku analyzu, ale urcite nie robit dokument. Trochu ma to rozladilo....pokracujte dalej v debate.... m. Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 04:46:15PM +0100, Jan Karabina wrote: > > >>kdyz se natebe vybodnou zkusil bych jeste kontaktovat treba lidi z katedry dokumentaristiky na FAMu (jestli neco takovyho existuje) >>nebo zurnalistiky na FSV UK (videl sem odnich vyborny film - bakalarskou praci - Kracejici rypadlo - rypadlista placici nad znicenym rypadlem v ramci ruseni hnedouhelnych dolu byl opravdu sladky ;-) >>Jako bakalarka je to imho docela zajimavy tema. >> >> > >Jenze to nema cenu - cilem bakalarky je udelat nejakou bakalarku co projde a >clovek to nedela casto proto aby se mu vysledek libil, ale aby prosel -> podle >toho to tak vetsinou tyhle nucene skolni prace vypadaj. > >Cl< > > >>>Ahoj lidi >>> >>>Resim(e) zde myslenku jestli by nestalo za to natocit nejaky volne siritelny >>>film o Ronje. Nejlepsi se mi zda, aby to byl film bud zcela poucne ladeny ve >>>forme navodu, jak se to dela, nebo navod s nejakymi hororne-parodickymi prvky >>>(treba ve stylu hororu, kde ovsem se ukaze, ze vse, co v divakovi vzbuzovalo >>>bezmeznou hruzu, kdo tentokrat zarve, se ukazalo byti nakonec neskodnou >>>obrabeci operaci ;-) ) >>> >>>Viz taky film Aliance IV, ktery se tocil u nas na matfyzu, zadny navod k nicemu >>>to nebyl, ale byla to aspon sranda, jestli to znate. >>> >>>Nechteli byste neco takovyho natocit? >>> >>> >>-- >>Jan Karabina mailto:karabij@feld.cvut.cz >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.620 (20040210) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 11 16:25:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 11 16:25:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Film Message-ID: <20040211162518.A27574@beton.cybernet.src> Jestlize povaha studia designu nebo filmu nezadouci jev jmenem nucene skolske prace eliminuje, tak to je jedine dobre - v tom pripade by bakalarska prace byla naopak velmi vhodna, protoze by zde existovala jista motivace to dokoncit :) Cl< From bratrk at centrum.cz Wed Feb 11 17:07:35 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Wed Feb 11 17:07:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] silikonovaci postup References: <20040131222254.A5527@beton.cybernet.src> <20040210054948.A21382@www> <20040210131909.B443@beton.cybernet.src> <027501c3f002$19add790$020a210a@marekbk> <20040210183013.B1070@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001701c3f0c1$8ba53400$020a210a@marekbk> Posledne jsem to zkousel s acetickym silikonem k univerzalinmu pouzziti. Mydlova voda je psana na etikene, ja jsem pouzil ten jar, protoze rozmychavani mydla se mi nejak nedarilo ani v teple vode. Zato ten jar byl uplne v pohode. Redil jsem to tak odhadem 1:10 mozna min mozna vic. Proste cmrndnout jaru a cmrndnout vody. bk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] silikonovaci postup > On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 07:17:10PM +0100, bratrk wrote: > > Myslim ze v navodu na silikonovani neni zadna rada jak se uchranit od > > hnusneho olepeni silikonem pri silikonovani cocek a vsech spar. > > Postup je jednoduchy: > > Pri uhlazovani silikonu prstem je zadouci tento smocit v mydlove vode (nebo > > jarove vode). Silikon se pak na prst nelepi nevytvari zadne nepekne prelozky > > nebo vybehy. Prst se pak velmi jednoduse otre do ubrousku. > > Jarova voda pusobi jako separator. > > > > Myslim ze v nekterem prekladu navodu jsem cetl ze se silikon neda z prstu > > dostat, takhel se na prst ani neprilepi... > > Ja jsem to s mydlovou vodou zkousel a nefungovalo mi to - mel jsem tehdy kysely > silikon. Pak jsem to tlemil tak, ze jsem to delal bez ty mejdlovy vody a otrel > jsem si pazouru do papiru na konci :) Jaky mas silikon ty? Neutralni? Jestli to > fakt funguje tak ja to tam napisu :) > > Nebo mozna jsem mel malo mejdlovou vodu :) S jarovou jsem to nezkousel. Musi > bejt hodne husta ta jarova? > > Cl< > > > > bk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From schum at seznam.cz Thu Feb 12 07:18:13 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Thu Feb 12 07:18:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP trafa Message-ID: <16010.41642-1157-2130380209-1076570293@seznam.cz> zdravim traficka by mela byt za 75 Kc, pokud dodavatel dodrzi slibenou cenu jinak budou k odberu v Praze nebo na velikonoce v Trinci Mirek ____________________________________________________________ Chcete dost?vat V?? obl?ben? ?asopis T?DEN ka?d? pond?l?? P?ed osmou hodinou r?no? A nav?c z?skat skv?l? CD dle Va?eho v?b?ru? Nev?hejte a p?edpla?te si T?DEN ji? nyn?! http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=70450%26url=http://www.tyden.cz/predplatne/main.html From zefram.c at centrum.cz Fri Feb 13 00:42:47 2004 From: zefram.c at centrum.cz (zefram.c@centrum.cz) Date: Fri Feb 13 00:44:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak jsem stavel RONJU Message-ID: <20040213004252Z1014574-8320+12973@mail.centrum.cz> Zdravim, tak predem bych chtel ridct, ze jsem u Rystona objednal 60ks F4000, ale bohuzel mi dosly E4000. Takze kdo ma zajem, jeste jich mam dost. Nejradsi bych je predaval v Brne. Chtel jsem i v Praze, ale to nevyslo, takze jedine postou. A ted trochu poznamek ke stavbe RONJI. Doufam, ze to nekomu pomuze rychleji rozjet elektroniku nekomu jinemu, kdyz se vyvaruje chyb, ktere jsem udelal ja, nebot jen ten jest moudry clovek, ktery se dokaze poucit z cizich chyb:-)) Prvni zavaznou chybu jsem udelal, kdyz jsem zacal stavet podle ceskeho prekladu Clockova navodu. Jsou tam totiz prvni schemata uz neaktualizovana o upravy, ktere Clock dodelaval pozdeji. Kdyz me kamarad pozadal o stavbu elektroniky k RONJE, nikdy predtim jsem o ni nic neslysel a vzhledem k tomu, ze to chtel co nejdrive, stahnul jsem ceske stranky, rychle je prolitnul a nakoupil soucastky a zacal hned stavet. V seznamu soucastek jsem nikde nenasel, ze nemam pouzivat BC547(cehoz jsem pozdeji hooodne litoval) - dobre moje chyba. Dale jsem udelal chybu kdyz jsem koupil v GMku SFH203FA - to FA totiz znamena ze tato prijimaci dioda ma ve svem pozdru filtr, ktery propousti jenom IR svetlo. Taky moje chybka. A ted k upravam ve schematu. Prvni upravu jsem udelal v TX krabicce, kdyz mi nechtel projit pres dvojici tranzistoru 10MHz signal. Podotykam, ze uz jsem tam mel 2N3904. Jedinne jak jsem signal mohl protlacit, bylo snizit 2 odpory 820ohmu na 220ohmu. Dalsi upravy se tykaly AUI - odpor R55 jsem zvedl na 2k7 a odpory R63 a R64 snizil na 47ohmu (asi by tam mohlo bejt i o neco vic, ale takhle to taky vali). Nechapu jak se to nekomu muze povyct rozjet bez osciloskopu. Jinak vsem Ronjakum preju hodne stesti pri stavbe, odladovani a zamerovani a asi taky hodne pevny nervy. From bobriks at volny.cz Fri Feb 13 08:46:19 2004 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Fri Feb 13 08:47:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak jsem stavel RONJU In-Reply-To: <20040213004252Z1014574-8320+12973@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040213004252Z1014574-8320+12973@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <92517174c35d598a18fffd503bba7ded@www2.mail.volny.cz> Maly dotaz. Jakou mate mechaniku, delku spoje, sitove karty a packet loss? Diky. > Jinak vsem Ronjakum preju hodne stesti pri stavbe, > odladovani a zamerovani a asi taky hodne pevny nervy. -- Zapojte se do ankety Motocykl roku 2004 a m??ete vyhr?t Kawasaki ER-5 a dal?? ceny t?m?? za 300.000 tis?c korun. Dejte hlas nejlep?? motorce na http://www.motocyklroku.cz From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 13 09:09:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Feb 13 09:10:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak jsem stavel RONJU In-Reply-To: <20040213004252Z1014574-8320+12973@mail.centrum.cz>; from zefram.c@centrum.cz on Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 01:42:47AM +0100 References: <20040213004252Z1014574-8320+12973@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040213090916.A14089@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 01:42:47AM +0100, zefram.c@centrum.cz wrote: > > Zdravim, tak predem bych chtel ridct, ze jsem u Rystona objednal 60ks F4000, > ale bohuzel mi dosly E4000. Takze kdo ma zajem, jeste jich mam dost. > Nejradsi bych je predaval v Brne. Chtel jsem i v Praze, ale to nevyslo, > takze jedine postou. > A ted trochu poznamek ke stavbe RONJI. Doufam, ze to nekomu pomuze rychleji > rozjet elektroniku nekomu jinemu, kdyz se vyvaruje chyb, ktere jsem udelal ja, > nebot jen ten jest moudry clovek, ktery se dokaze poucit z cizich chyb:-)) > Prvni zavaznou chybu jsem udelal, kdyz jsem zacal stavet podle ceskeho prekladu > Clockova navodu. Jsou tam totiz prvni schemata uz neaktualizovana o upravy, > ktere Clock dodelaval pozdeji. Kdyz me kamarad pozadal o stavbu elektroniky > k RONJE, nikdy predtim jsem o ni nic neslysel a vzhledem k tomu, ze to chtel co > nejdrive, stahnul jsem ceske stranky, rychle je prolitnul a nakoupil soucastky > a zacal hned stavet. V seznamu soucastek jsem nikde nenasel, ze nemam pouzivat > BC547(cehoz jsem pozdeji hooodne litoval) - dobre moje chyba. Dale jsem udelal S BC547 v AUI by to melo chodit - pozor ale na pinout, ma jinak nozicky. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 13 09:20:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Feb 13 09:21:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak jsem stavel RONJU In-Reply-To: <92517174c35d598a18fffd503bba7ded@www2.mail.volny.cz>; from bobriks@volny.cz on Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 09:46:19AM +0100 References: <20040213004252Z1014574-8320+12973@mail.centrum.cz> <92517174c35d598a18fffd503bba7ded@www2.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040213092010.D14089@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 09:46:19AM +0100, Standa Bobrik wrote: > Maly dotaz. Jakou mate mechaniku, delku spoje, > sitove karty a packet loss? Diky. > > > Jinak vsem Ronjakum preju hodne stesti pri stavbe, > > odladovani a zamerovani a asi taky hodne pevny nervy. Jo a mate nejaky fotky a technicky informace (http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php)? Ze bych spoj zaradil do galerie :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 13 11:38:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Feb 13 11:39:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Useful work to be done Message-ID: <20040213113821.A14334@beton.cybernet.src> Hello If anyone would be willing to do the work, there are couple administrative issues that don't require special understanding of matter and that cause Ronja guides to be less comprehensive than they could be. 1) Do a good (=factically correct at least) translation into Czech 2) Go through all HTML pages of Ronja and validate then with HTML validator and find bugs in HTML 3) Rewrite those guide pages that are not in the new boxed-style (like AUI Forte Building is) into that boxed-style 4) Photograph all the items from "Material" and "Tools" lists of all Ronja modules and prepare them to be placed into the gallery and add links to their gallery entries into the guides 5) Go thorugh all the texts and find places where it is either not clear at all what exactly should the user do or where this is ambiguous 6) Go through all qcad plans and find missing dimensions 7) Go through all qcad plans and fix places where inappropriate line thicknesses and styles are used (requires a bit of understanding of mechanical drawings) 8) Go through the guides and write down all places where a photograph (i. e. gallery link) would make the matter more comprehensive and write what the photograph should show 9) Make the photographs of the outcome of point 8) If anyone can add his own item into this TODO-list, suggestions are welcome. If anyone is willing to do any of the mentiones tasks, he is welcome too :) Cl< From tomekw at irc.pl Fri Feb 13 11:56:08 2004 From: tomekw at irc.pl (tomekw@irc.pl) Date: Fri Feb 13 11:59:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LXT902,LXT901,LXT907,LXT905 Message-ID: <10217289310.20040213125608@irc.pl> Hello ronja, LXT902,LXT901,LXT907,LXT905 are there good IC for Ronja TP. There are Level One IC -- Best regards, tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 14 13:13:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Feb 14 13:14:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Receiver nefunguje jak by mel In-Reply-To: <001601c3f2ea$da586100$702da8c0@xxx>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 12:08:19PM +0100 References: <001601c3f2ea$da586100$702da8c0@xxx> Message-ID: <20040214131302.A551@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 12:08:19PM +0100, Woita wrote: > Mam dva receivery, jeden funkcni, druhy funkcni jen tehdy, kdyz k nemu namirim vysilaci LEDku na 1cm (mam tam normalni SFH..., ne infra)!! > Hodnoty na measure pointech jsou taky u obou naprosto stejne. Tak proc teda jeden chodi a druhy ne? > Mohla by byt chyba v BF988 nebo v NE592? BF988 muze byt prorazeny neopatrnou manipulaci. NE592 na manipulaci neni citlivy. Zmerne hodnoty na mericich bodech a postnete je sem i s hodnotami ktere tam maji byt podle navodu. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Feb 14 21:41:37 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Feb 14 21:46:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Receiver nefunguje jak by mel References: <001601c3f2ea$da586100$702da8c0@xxx> <20040214131302.A551@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002501c3f343$539c0c80$0101a8c0@cz> Tohle se mi stalo taky....v tahu byl BF988. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Receiver nefunguje jak by mel > On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 12:08:19PM +0100, Woita wrote: > > Mam dva receivery, jeden funkcni, druhy funkcni jen tehdy, kdyz k nemu namirim vysilaci LEDku na 1cm (mam tam normalni SFH..., ne infra)!! > > Hodnoty na measure pointech jsou taky u obou naprosto stejne. Tak proc teda jeden chodi a druhy ne? > > Mohla by byt chyba v BF988 nebo v NE592? > > BF988 muze byt prorazeny neopatrnou manipulaci. NE592 na manipulaci neni > citlivy. Zmerne hodnoty na mericich bodech a postnete je sem i s hodnotami > ktere tam maji byt podle navodu. > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 15 19:14:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 15 19:15:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Receiver nefunguje jak by mel In-Reply-To: <001001c3f3c6$feb42980$702da8c0@xxx>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 02:24:09PM +0100 References: <001001c3f3c6$feb42980$702da8c0@xxx> Message-ID: <20040215191403.A17484@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 02:24:09PM +0100, Woita wrote: > spravna moje > P101 12 11,08 > P102 3,5-4 3,9 > P103 0 0 Tady to P103 zmerte. Ja tam mam 0.1mV. Jestli bude vyrazne vic, bude asi prorazenej tranzistor. > P104 6-7 6,71 > P105 6 5,4 > P106 6 5,42 > > P108 10,9 10,64 > P109 5,3 4,64 > > Jak jsem rikal, hodnoty stejne jako na druhym, funkcnim kusu. Zkusim vymenit ten BF988. Dam vedet jak to dopadlo. Jo, to vypada ze je nejpravdepodobnejsi pricina. Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Feb 16 06:52:06 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Feb 16 06:53:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Receiver nefunguje jak by mel In-Reply-To: <20040214131302.A551@beton.cybernet.src> References: <001601c3f2ea$da586100$702da8c0@xxx> <20040214131302.A551@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200402160752.07081.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > teda jeden chodi a druhy ne? Mohla by byt chyba v BF988 nebo v NE592? > > BF988 muze byt prorazeny neopatrnou manipulaci. NE592 na manipulaci neni > citlivy. > No, me se povedlo odprasknout dva. A chovali se podobne. Velmi mala citlivost. Zkuste zmerit na vstupech toho NE592 jestli je tam stejne napeti (cca 1/2 napajeciho -> asi 6V). Kdyz jsem ten NE592 znicil, tak jeden vstup zatezoval delic a bylo tam cca 1-2V. Jeden jsem znicil nevim jak, druhy prepolovanim. (na ochranne diode jsem mel studenak a nahodou jsem rx prepoloval) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Mon Feb 16 20:08:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Feb 16 20:09:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Receiver nefunguje jak by mel In-Reply-To: <001701c3f4b5$a4cc0d80$702da8c0@xxx>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 06:52:28PM +0100 References: <001701c3f4b5$a4cc0d80$702da8c0@xxx> Message-ID: <20040216200823.A9661@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 06:52:28PM +0100, Woita wrote: > Zkusil jsem vymenit ten BF988 a uz to chodi. Jinak to napeti na P103 bylo skutecne jen 0,1mV, ne vic. Asi se BF988 da znicit na vic zpusobu :) Cl< > Dikas > > Woita > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jmi at atlas.cz Tue Feb 17 11:59:29 2004 From: jmi at atlas.cz (jmi) Date: Tue Feb 17 12:00:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] clockove TP Message-ID: <001601c3f54d$7f792ac0$0103a8c0@jmi> caute za posledne dni som precital forum na czfreenet o ronji a aj kompletny archiv mailing listu. problem je, ze som si nezapamatal jednu vec ohladne clockoveho TP interfacu. bude to ma autoneg., a dalsie veci co treba aby som to mohol pichnut rovno do 10/100mbps switchu? resp. ake to bude mat obmedzenia (poziadavky na bod pripojenia druheho konca kabla.. dik k tomu zoznamu suciastok pre TP. U nas sa neda zohnat skoro nic a aj tak to mame v Trencine brutalne drahe (ziadna konkurencia). V stredu mam cestu do Bratislavy, tak tam chcem kupit aspon IO a tranzistory. dik moc jmi From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 17 12:40:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Feb 17 12:42:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] clockove TP In-Reply-To: <001601c3f54d$7f792ac0$0103a8c0@jmi>; from jmi@atlas.cz on Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 12:59:29PM +0100 References: <001601c3f54d$7f792ac0$0103a8c0@jmi> Message-ID: <20040217124051.C10789@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 12:59:29PM +0100, jmi wrote: > caute > > za posledne dni som precital forum na czfreenet o ronji a aj kompletny > archiv mailing listu. > problem je, ze som si nezapamatal jednu vec ohladne clockoveho TP interfacu. > > bude to ma autoneg., a dalsie veci co treba aby som to mohol pichnut rovno > do 10/100mbps switchu? Ohledne autonegotiation: viz prvni prispevek ve foru Ronju potrebujeme TP na czfree. Cl< From maco at host.sk Tue Feb 17 14:21:37 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Feb 17 14:23:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] clockove TP In-Reply-To: <001601c3f54d$7f792ac0$0103a8c0@jmi> References: <001601c3f54d$7f792ac0$0103a8c0@jmi> Message-ID: <40322371.5080200@host.sk> jmi, my staviame v Ba tiez Ronju a v gme.sk dostanes skoro vsetko kupit okrem par malickosti nedolezitych :)) su ochotny to poslat na dobierku, ceny su porovnatelne s ceskymi. maco jmi wrote: >caute > >za posledne dni som precital forum na czfreenet o ronji a aj kompletny >archiv mailing listu. >problem je, ze som si nezapamatal jednu vec ohladne clockoveho TP interfacu. > >bude to ma autoneg., a dalsie veci co treba aby som to mohol pichnut rovno >do 10/100mbps switchu? >resp. ake to bude mat obmedzenia (poziadavky na bod pripojenia druheho konca >kabla.. > >dik > >k tomu zoznamu suciastok pre TP. U nas sa neda zohnat skoro nic a aj tak to >mame v Trencine brutalne drahe (ziadna konkurencia). V stredu mam cestu do >Bratislavy, tak tam chcem kupit aspon IO a tranzistory. > >dik moc > >jmi > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.626 (20040217) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 17 14:24:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Feb 17 14:26:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Laser Led dotaz In-Reply-To: <000b01c3f55b$a33bcc20$0201a8c0@morpheus>; from cernil.zscs@centrum.cz on Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 02:40:34PM +0100 References: <001601c3dbb2$5caae0b0$0201a8c0@morpheus> <20040117104148.A254@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c3f550$6f7ede00$0201a8c0@morpheus> <20040217124135.D10789@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c3f55b$a33bcc20$0201a8c0@morpheus> Message-ID: <20040217142458.A10928@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 02:40:34PM +0100, Centrum wrote: > Je dobre kdyz pripojim napajeni do AUI bez TX i RX ze sviti vsechny 3 diody? To ne - TX by mela byt zhasla kdyz se zadna data neposilaji Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Feb 17 15:04:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Feb 17 15:05:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Laser Led dotaz In-Reply-To: <001501c3f566$49f702a0$0201a8c0@morpheus>; from cernil.zscs@centrum.cz on Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 03:56:51PM +0100 References: <001601c3dbb2$5caae0b0$0201a8c0@morpheus> <20040117104148.A254@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c3f550$6f7ede00$0201a8c0@morpheus> <20040217124135.D10789@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c3f55b$a33bcc20$0201a8c0@morpheus> <20040217142458.A10928@beton.cybernet.src> <001501c3f566$49f702a0$0201a8c0@morpheus> Message-ID: <20040217150425.A10970@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 03:56:51PM +0100, Centrum wrote: > Mam do toho interface zapojene pouze napajeni nic jineho ani do pocalu to > neni zapojene nic. Tak to by svitit nemelo. > Mam to napajene podle tveho schematu v plosnaku od toho nora Skompa nebo jak Skontorp Cl< From jmi at atlas.cz Wed Feb 18 06:50:30 2004 From: jmi at atlas.cz (jmi) Date: Wed Feb 18 06:52:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AUI --> RJ45 References: <003701c3f5e3$a41cfb90$4a101fac@ton> Message-ID: <001101c3f5eb$81298f10$0103a8c0@jmi> u can try this url http://ronja.twibright.com/contrib/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Phanumas Khumsat To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 6:54 AM Subject: [Ronja] AUI --> RJ45 Hello there, Is it possible to modify the transceiver interface to work with RJ45 (10Base-T)? How? Any useful websites? Best regards, Ton _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 18 11:50:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 18 11:51:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AUI --> RJ45 In-Reply-To: <003701c3f5e3$a41cfb90$4a101fac@ton>; from phanumas@ratree.psu.ac.th on Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 12:54:10PM +0700 References: <003701c3f5e3$a41cfb90$4a101fac@ton> Message-ID: <20040218115010.B305@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 12:54:10PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hello there, > > Is it possible to modify the transceiver interface to work with RJ45 > (10Base-T)? How? Any useful websites? It is being worked on. The prototype already runs. In the PCB, there are 15 tracks left to route :) Cl< From txapela at mailbox.co.za Wed Feb 18 13:21:52 2004 From: txapela at mailbox.co.za (txapela) Date: Wed Feb 18 13:23:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] I'll try ronja in spain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think ronja can coexist with wifi on donosti wireless free network. At the moment there are only 3 nodes (5 more in a few weeks) I'll give it a try. Thanks. (the distances I want to cover are 500 - 1,2km) __________________________________________________________________________ http://www.webmail.co.za/dialup Webmail ISP - Cool Connection, Cool Price From riso at dorm.utc.sk Wed Feb 18 13:22:18 2004 From: riso at dorm.utc.sk (Richard TOTH) Date: Wed Feb 18 13:23:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ledky Message-ID: <1655489890.20040218142218@dorm.utc.sk> neviete, kde sa daju na slovensku zohnat ledky HPWT-BD00 ??? pozeral som cennik gme a tam boli nejake, ale inych farieb... ale nasiel som tu v ziline v 3q nieco podobne. LTL911VRKSA - http://www.trikve.sk/gensite/store/ltl911v.pdf da sa to zamenit? neni tam napisana doba odozvy, ale je tam udaj o kapacite 40pF. Inak su si veeelmi podobne. -- S pozdravom, Risko mailto:riso@dorm.utc.sk ICQ: 223531718 http://www.zuzo.org From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 18 14:02:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 18 14:03:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ledky In-Reply-To: <1655489890.20040218142218@dorm.utc.sk>; from riso@dorm.utc.sk on Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 02:22:18PM +0100 References: <1655489890.20040218142218@dorm.utc.sk> Message-ID: <20040218140213.A417@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 02:22:18PM +0100, Richard TOTH wrote: > neviete, kde sa daju na slovensku zohnat ledky HPWT-BD00 ??? > pozeral som cennik gme a tam boli nejake, ale inych farieb... > ale nasiel som tu v ziline v 3q nieco podobne. > LTL911VRKSA - http://www.trikve.sk/gensite/store/ltl911v.pdf > da sa to zamenit? neni tam napisana doba odozvy, ale je tam udaj o > kapacite 40pF. Inak su si veeelmi podobne. Je to material AlInGaP. Podivejte se do datasheetu HPWT-BD00 jestli jsou taky AlInGaP a pokud ano, budou mit asi stejnou rychlost a daj se pouzit. Jenom ten dopich bude asi mensi, Lumileds jsou myslim svetova spicka a zatim je nikdo neporazil, srovnejte total luminous flux pri stejnem proudu a uvidite, kolikrat jsou horsi, ja si to nepamatuju, ale delalo to na me dojem, ze HPWT-BD00 tam mely napsano podstatne vic (ted se mi nechce hledat jeste datasheet od HPWT-BD00 :) ) Cl< From polous at katka.biz Wed Feb 18 18:15:20 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Feb 18 18:12:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nahrada BC337 za 2N3904 za ? References: <1655489890.20040218142218@dorm.utc.sk> <20040218140213.A417@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003f01c3f64b$33327230$4805150a@kalvak> Je to mozne zamenit BC337 na misto 2N3904 ? (http://www.kult-info.cz/datasheets/BC337.pdf) Diky za pomoc pOlOus From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 18 18:16:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 18 18:18:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nahrada BC337 za 2N3904 za ? In-Reply-To: <003f01c3f64b$33327230$4805150a@kalvak>; from polous@katka.biz on Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 07:15:20PM +0100 References: <1655489890.20040218142218@dorm.utc.sk> <20040218140213.A417@beton.cybernet.src> <003f01c3f64b$33327230$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <20040218181659.A630@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 07:15:20PM +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Je to mozne zamenit BC337 na misto 2N3904 ? > (http://www.kult-info.cz/datasheets/BC337.pdf) Ne. Cl< > > Diky za pomoc > pOlOus > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From riso at dorm.utc.sk Wed Feb 18 20:14:38 2004 From: riso at dorm.utc.sk (Richard TOTH) Date: Wed Feb 18 20:16:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ledky In-Reply-To: <20040218140213.A417@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1655489890.20040218142218@dorm.utc.sk> <20040218140213.A417@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <15230230187.20040218211438@dorm.utc.sk> Zdravim Karel, Wednesday, February 18, 2004, 3:02:13 PM, si pisal: --------------------------------- KK> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 02:22:18PM +0100, Richard TOTH wrote: >> neviete, kde sa daju na slovensku zohnat ledky HPWT-BD00 ??? >> pozeral som cennik gme a tam boli nejake, ale inych farieb... >> ale nasiel som tu v ziline v 3q nieco podobne. >> LTL911VRKSA - http://www.trikve.sk/gensite/store/ltl911v.pdf >> da sa to zamenit? neni tam napisana doba odozvy, ale je tam udaj o >> kapacite 40pF. Inak su si veeelmi podobne. KK> Je to material AlInGaP. Podivejte se do datasheetu HPWT-BD00 jestli jsou taky KK> AlInGaP a pokud ano, budou mit asi stejnou rychlost a daj se pouzit. No su z materialu AlIGaP KK> Jenom ten dopich bude asi mensi, Lumileds jsou myslim svetova spicka a zatim je KK> nikdo neporazil, srovnejte total luminous flux pri stejnem proudu a uvidite, KK> kolikrat jsou horsi, ja si to nepamatuju, ale delalo to na me dojem, ze KK> HPWT-BD00 tam mely napsano podstatne vic (ted se mi nechce hledat jeste KK> datasheet od HPWT-BD00 :) ) mozno ze su lepsie, ale tieto sa tu daju zohnat. v GME sk maju HPWT len jantarovej a tusim modrej farby a to este su oznacene ako dopredaj/neprspektivny tovar, teda da sa predpokladat, ze ich mat ani nebudu, kdezto tieto su k sehnani. ze to bude mat mensi dosah mi ani tak moc nevadi. stacilo by nejakych 300-500 metrov. ono to bude vlatne tak nejak na pokusy. :) -- S pozdravom, Risko mailto:riso@dorm.utc.sk ICQ: 223531718 http://www.zuzo.org From zefram.c at centrum.cz Thu Feb 19 12:34:53 2004 From: zefram.c at centrum.cz (zefram.c@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Feb 19 12:59:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 10, Issue 24 Message-ID: <20040219123456Z1021334-8308+64117@mail.centrum.cz> >neviete, kde sa daju na slovensku zohnat ledky HPWT-BD00 ??? >pozeral som cennik gme a tam boli nejake, ale inych farieb... >ale nasiel som tu v ziline v 3q nieco podobne. >LTL911VRKSA - http://www.trikve.sk/gensite/store/ltl911v.pdf >da sa to zamenit? neni tam napisana doba odozvy, ale je tam udaj o >kapacite 40pF. Inak su si veeelmi podobne. -- >S pozdravom, > Risko Ahoj objednej si je u me :-)))) S pozdravem Zefram:-))) -------------------- P??LOHA O DAN?CH! Jak p?iznat dan?, on-line formul??e pro v?po?et dan?, da?ov? tiskopisy ke sta?en?, adres?? finan?n?ch ??ad? na http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://finance.centrum.cz/danove_priznani/ From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 20 15:14:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Feb 20 15:16:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja 10 Metropolis In-Reply-To: <20040220124015.32635.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com>; from tachyon_net2002@yahoo.com on Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 04:40:15AM -0800 References: <20040220124015.32635.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040220151441.A18992@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 04:40:15AM -0800, tachyon provider wrote: > I've try to search the local parts for building > my ronja, but i can't get many parts locally. > > Like the LED, and optical amplifiers. SFH203 or BPW43 is made by infineon www.infineon.com also try to google for shops selling online HPWT-BD00 are made by Lumileds www.lumileds.com. They list their product distributors on their pages. Links to distributors is also from Ronja -> Datasheets web page Cl< From maco at host.sk Fri Feb 20 16:36:21 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Feb 20 16:37:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlov TP interfejs In-Reply-To: <20040220151441.A18992@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040220124015.32635.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> <20040220151441.A18992@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40363785.4040305@host.sk> Mohol by prosim niekto (Simandl) postnut niekam na web foto jednej z verzii TP interfejsu? CHcel by som vizualne porovnat aj suciastky aj ostatne veci ale fotky na jeho strankach su zalostne male. Napr. nie som si celkom isty ci ma byt C 1000u taky velky aky mam ja :)) Taktiez som si nie celkom isty suciastkami C a C-IC (v zonaceni) aky je medzi nimi rozdiel? C-IC1 aj C1 su predsa tie iste 100n kondenzatory, alebo sa mylim? Moze mi este prosim niekto vysvetlit co su J1 215877-7" 215877-7 pepa 1 J2 215877-7 WEBP8-8 pepa 1 IC10 FILTR DIL16 DIL16 ic-package 1 T1 BCY59 2N3020 TO39 pepa 1 T2 BCY59 2N3020 TO39 pepa 1 ?? dakujeeem Maco PS: prisli nam plosaky zo SPOJa. Celkom kvalitne, a tu cenu nemaju chybu :) maco From bratrk at centrum.cz Fri Feb 20 16:47:50 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Fri Feb 20 16:49:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] silikagel References: <20040220124015.32635.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> <20040220151441.A18992@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002301c3f7d1$4b560520$020a210a@marekbk> Ahoj vsichni, dostalo se mi do rukou par kilo silikagelu. Je v papirovych saccich po 50g , 100 ks sacku. Je pouzity (cca 8 tydny lezel v zatavene folii s materialem ktery chranil pred vlhkosti), pocitam ze od tehle chvile bude dale degradovat a bude ho potreba recyklovat. Da se pry recyklovat ohratim v troube. Nejake podrobnosti o recyklaci jsem jeste nehledal. Mate s tim nekdo zkusenosti? Kdyby nekdo potreboval tak at se ozve na mail. Pocitam ze do kazde roury staci jeden/dva sacky. Predani bych spis videl osobni nez neco posilat. Na dobirku (mysleno cena urcena postou za balik) by to asi vyslo draho. Ovsem pokud o dobirku nekdo bude vyslovne stat tak se da domluvit i to. zdravi bratrk From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 20 17:16:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:18:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] silikagel In-Reply-To: <002301c3f7d1$4b560520$020a210a@marekbk>; from bratrk@centrum.cz on Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 05:47:50PM +0100 References: <20040220124015.32635.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> <20040220151441.A18992@beton.cybernet.src> <002301c3f7d1$4b560520$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <20040220171653.B19128@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 05:47:50PM +0100, bratrk wrote: > Ahoj vsichni, > > dostalo se mi do rukou par kilo silikagelu. Je v papirovych saccich po 50g , > 100 ks sacku. Ja mam doma celkem prebytek, 3kg pixlu :) > Je pouzity (cca 8 tydny lezel v zatavene folii s materialem ktery chranil > pred vlhkosti), pocitam ze od tehle chvile bude dale degradovat a bude ho > potreba recyklovat. Da se pry recyklovat ohratim v troube. Nejake > podrobnosti o recyklaci jsem jeste nehledal. Podorbnosti jsou v Ronje. Ronja -> Metropolis -> Maintenance and troubleshooting tusim (nebo installing) Cl< From bratrk at centrum.cz Fri Feb 20 19:50:28 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Fri Feb 20 20:19:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] silikagel References: <20040220124015.32635.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> <20040220151441.A18992@beton.cybernet.src> <002301c3f7d1$4b560520$020a210a@marekbk> <20040220171653.B19128@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004a01c3f7ea$caaf9b60$020a210a@marekbk> No my jich stejnak spoustu sdelame brzo v nasem cloudu :-) Jen jsem je nabizel k rozebrani protoze muzu sehnat dalsi a nechtel jsem se s nima tahat domu z prace zbytecne... bk > On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 05:47:50PM +0100, bratrk wrote: > > Ahoj vsichni, > > > > dostalo se mi do rukou par kilo silikagelu. Je v papirovych saccich po 50g , > > 100 ks sacku. > > Ja mam doma celkem prebytek, 3kg pixlu :) > > > Je pouzity (cca 8 tydny lezel v zatavene folii s materialem ktery chranil > > pred vlhkosti), pocitam ze od tehle chvile bude dale degradovat a bude ho > > potreba recyklovat. Da se pry recyklovat ohratim v troube. Nejake > > podrobnosti o recyklaci jsem jeste nehledal. > > Podorbnosti jsou v Ronje. Ronja -> Metropolis -> Maintenance > and troubleshooting tusim (nebo installing) > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From cbedison at centrum.cz Sat Feb 21 11:11:07 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Sat Feb 21 11:11:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] REQ: Guma 20mm Message-ID: <20040221111116Z1015776-8306+80861@mail.centrum.cz> Zdravim, mam jeden (mozna blbej :) dotaz: nevite nekdo kde se da sehnat guma o tloustce 20 mm (mezi L - ko a I - cko drzaku na Ronju)?? Ptal jsem se v zelezarstvi a koukali na mne jak na blba :D Diky za odpoved Edison Radotin http://www.edison-radotin.cz -------------------- Novy Golf. Navstivte prodejce Volkswagen v ramci Tydnu s Golfem (20.2. - 7.3.) a vyhrajte novy Golf!http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.volkswagen.cz From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 21 11:34:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Feb 21 11:34:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] REQ: Guma 20mm In-Reply-To: <20040221111116Z1015776-8306+80861@mail.centrum.cz>; from cbedison@centrum.cz on Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 12:11:07PM +0100 References: <20040221111116Z1015776-8306+80861@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040221113413.B19940@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 12:11:07PM +0100, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > Zdravim, > mam jeden (mozna blbej :) dotaz: nevite nekdo kde se da sehnat guma o tloustce 20 mm (mezi L - ko a I - cko drzaku na Ronju)?? > Ptal jsem se v zelezarstvi a koukali na mne jak na blba :D Guma Praha je to bu? Je?n? nebo ?itn? (j? si ty ulice pletu) - vede to z Karl?ku (takovej obrovskej kostel ja tam) na Pavl?k a jezd? v tom tramvaj tam je speci?lka na gumu. J? tam m?m pry?ov? zar??ky na dve?e ty maj? spr?vn? rozm?r a i d?ru (sta?? zv?t?it). ?e nebude excentricky dle n?vodu nevad?, je to jen kv?li lep??mu komfortu aby se tolik nevyhrnovala po stran?. Lep?? je zd? se guma tvrd? ?ern? ne? m?kk? r??ov?. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Feb 21 11:37:28 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Feb 21 11:37:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] REQ: Guma 20mm In-Reply-To: <20040221113413.B19940@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040221111116Z1015776-8306+80861@mail.centrum.cz> <20040221113413.B19940@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200402211237.29390.ladmanj@volny.cz> Je?n?, obchod "Guma" On Saturday 21 of February 2004 12:34, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 12:11:07PM +0100, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > > Zdravim, > > mam jeden (mozna blbej :) dotaz: nevite nekdo kde se da sehnat guma o > > tloustce 20 mm (mezi L - ko a I - cko drzaku na Ronju)?? Ptal jsem se v > > zelezarstvi a koukali na mne jak na blba :D > > Guma Praha je to bu? Je?n? nebo ?itn? (j? si ty ulice pletu) - vede to > z Karl?ku (takovej obrovskej kostel ja tam) na Pavl?k a jezd? v tom tramvaj > tam je speci?lka na gumu. > > J? tam m?m pry?ov? zar??ky na dve?e ty maj? spr?vn? rozm?r a i d?ru (sta?? > zv?t?it). ?e nebude excentricky dle n?vodu nevad?, je to jen kv?li lep??mu > komfortu aby se tolik nevyhrnovala po stran?. > > Lep?? je zd? se guma tvrd? ?ern? ne? m?kk? r??ov?. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sat Feb 21 12:53:52 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Feb 21 12:53:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2Clock: Preklad mechaniky 130mm References: <20040220124015.32635.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com><20040220151441.A18992@beton.cybernet.src><002301c3f7d1$4b560520$020a210a@marekbk><20040220171653.B19128@beton.cybernet.src> <004a01c3f7ea$caaf9b60$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <002401c3f879$d24fc400$4805150a@kalvak> Zdar clocku, Chystam se stavet mechaniku 130mm, a dyz uz si to budu prekladat pro sebe, tak me napadlo, ze prelozim komplet (130mm mechanika + drazak + asi konzole - to uvidim podle potreby jakou zvolim). Mas o to zajem (bych to nedelal zbytecne) ? *** Udelal sem tedka na zkousku 130mm tubus a Holder (material a naradi), ale nejsem zrovna moc silnej v AJ, tak bych potreboval s par vecma pichnout abych do toho nepsal zbytecny blbosti napr.: A small, sharp cold chisel (roughly 15mm wide) Maly ostry studeny [chisel] (roughly 15mm wide) 350mm of open thin-walled section 25x25x2mm (CSN 42 6963) 350mm otevreneho [thin-walled] profilu 25x25x2mm (CSN 42 6963) u sroubu pak: hex or Allen or cheese or Philips head sestihrana nebo [Allen] nebo [cheese] nebo [Philips] hlava [Soldering iron] ??? nut [jam] ... to je samozatahovaci matka (takova ta s tou gumou?)... *** jak to zatim vypada sem hodil sem: http://www.katka.biz/_p0l0us/ronja/_translation/ronja.twibright.com/tubular_ head_130/ http://www.katka.biz/_p0l0us/ronja/_translation/ronja.twibright.com/holder/ *** Kdyz sem to tak procital, narazil sem na: u naradi na 130mm tube mas misto pliers - plies From polous at katka.biz Sat Feb 21 17:33:22 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Feb 21 17:32:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlov TP interfejs References: <20040220124015.32635.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com><20040220151441.A18992@beton.cybernet.src> <40363785.4040305@host.sk> Message-ID: <028b01c3f8a0$d045ff90$4805150a@kalvak> Taky sem koupil ty 1000u velky a tedka sem na to prisel (samo ze as po tom co sem je tam zaletoval) - sou 25V a stacej tam jen 16V, ktery sou menci cerny a pasujou tam :) OTAZKA pro nekoho .. Vadej tam ty velky 25V 1000u jinak nez esteticky ? IC10 filtr ze sitovky - sezenes starou sitovku (treba 3com FAst ethernetlink III) a odpajis z ni traficko (napr FL1173). Skus chvili hledat tady v mailing listu nebo na czfree.net(u) o tom bylo taky psaano spousta. Aaa nebo ... je nabizel za 75kc/ks schum@seznam.cz Shauman Miroslav - skus mu napsat, jestli ti je posle na dobirku. J1 a J2 sou RJ45 konektory. Taky sem dneska konecne prisel proc sou dva... proste jeden je mensii a bliz u kraje, takze asi na dva ruzny typy konektoru :)... evidentne staci jen jeden. Jestli budes tahat ty tarficka ze sitovek, najdes tam i ty konektory ;) 2N3020 sou takovy cerny potvory s trema nozickama ktery muzes dat misto tech BCY59. IC1, C1 sou to proste kondiky ... vsechny sou jednoznacne urcene tak se jich ne treba baat, takze je to OK Fotky bohuzel nemam, paac nemam fotak, ale jestli nakej sezenu, fotky udelam a zverejnim .... At se ti dilo podari pOlOus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: [Ronja] Simandlov TP interfejs > Mohol by prosim niekto (Simandl) postnut niekam na web foto jednej z > verzii TP interfejsu? CHcel by som vizualne porovnat aj suciastky aj > ostatne veci ale fotky na jeho strankach su zalostne male. Napr. nie som > si celkom isty ci ma byt C 1000u taky velky aky mam ja :)) > Taktiez som si nie celkom isty suciastkami C a C-IC (v zonaceni) aky je > medzi nimi rozdiel? C-IC1 aj C1 su predsa tie iste 100n kondenzatory, > alebo sa mylim? > > Moze mi este prosim niekto vysvetlit co su > J1 215877-7" 215877-7 pepa 1 > J2 215877-7 WEBP8-8 pepa 1 > IC10 FILTR DIL16 DIL16 ic-package 1 > T1 BCY59 2N3020 TO39 pepa 1 > T2 BCY59 2N3020 TO39 pepa 1 > > > ?? > > dakujeeem > > Maco > > PS: prisli nam plosaky zo SPOJa. Celkom kvalitne, a tu cenu nemaju chybu :) From maco at host.sk Sat Feb 21 19:18:30 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sat Feb 21 19:18:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandlov TP interfejs In-Reply-To: <028b01c3f8a0$d045ff90$4805150a@kalvak> References: <20040220124015.32635.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com><20040220151441.A18992@beton.cybernet.src> <40363785.4040305@host.sk> <028b01c3f8a0$d045ff90$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <4037AF06.2000007@host.sk> Dakujem za vysvtlivky :) Mozno keby mal este niekto naladu a chut mi poradit nejaku lacnu "pajeci stanici" - nie som elektrotechnik, teda by som bol rad keby ste poradili nieco nacnejsie - kupujem ju prave na stavbu ronje - mozno by bolo najsamsuper keby ste rovno hodili typ z conradu, alebo ppresnejsie aky vykon, hrot a podobne. BUdem pracovat s plosakmi. Pripadne mi poradit dalsie veci okolo toho (drziak, stojan na plosaky, aky cin a podobne). Nie som mantak, par veci som si uz robil, ale kedze sa tomu naplno nevenujem clovek pozabuda :)). PS: Ako postupujete pri pajkovani? V akom slede pripajkuvavate na plosak suciastky. Dufam, ze dobre vidim, ze na tom plosaku su aj patice na IC. :)) maco Martin Polehla wrote: >Taky sem koupil ty 1000u velky a tedka sem na to prisel (samo ze as po tom >co sem je tam zaletoval) - sou 25V a stacej tam jen 16V, ktery sou menci >cerny a pasujou tam :) > >OTAZKA pro nekoho .. Vadej tam ty velky 25V 1000u jinak nez esteticky ? > >IC10 filtr ze sitovky - sezenes starou sitovku (treba 3com FAst ethernetlink >III) a odpajis z ni traficko (napr FL1173). Skus chvili hledat tady v >mailing listu nebo na czfree.net(u) o tom bylo taky psaano spousta. Aaa nebo >... je nabizel za 75kc/ks schum@seznam.cz Shauman Miroslav - skus mu >napsat, jestli ti je posle na dobirku. > >J1 a J2 sou RJ45 konektory. Taky sem dneska konecne prisel proc sou dva... >proste jeden je mensii a bliz u kraje, takze asi na dva ruzny typy konektoru >:)... evidentne staci jen jeden. Jestli budes tahat ty tarficka ze sitovek, >najdes tam i ty konektory ;) > >2N3020 sou takovy cerny potvory s trema nozickama ktery muzes dat misto tech >BCY59. > >IC1, C1 sou to proste kondiky ... vsechny sou jednoznacne urcene tak se jich >ne treba baat, takze je to OK > >Fotky bohuzel nemam, paac nemam fotak, ale jestli nakej sezenu, fotky udelam >a zverejnim .... > >At se ti dilo podari >pOlOus. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marcel Hecko" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:36 PM >Subject: [Ronja] Simandlov TP interfejs > > > > >>Mohol by prosim niekto (Simandl) postnut niekam na web foto jednej z >>verzii TP interfejsu? CHcel by som vizualne porovnat aj suciastky aj >>ostatne veci ale fotky na jeho strankach su zalostne male. Napr. nie som >>si celkom isty ci ma byt C 1000u taky velky aky mam ja :)) >> >> > > > >>Taktiez som si nie celkom isty suciastkami C a C-IC (v zonaceni) aky je >>medzi nimi rozdiel? C-IC1 aj C1 su predsa tie iste 100n kondenzatory, >>alebo sa mylim? >> >>Moze mi este prosim niekto vysvetlit co su >>J1 215877-7" 215877-7 pepa 1 >>J2 215877-7 WEBP8-8 pepa 1 >>IC10 FILTR DIL16 DIL16 ic-package 1 >>T1 BCY59 2N3020 TO39 pepa 1 >>T2 BCY59 2N3020 TO39 pepa 1 >> >> >>?? >> >>dakujeeem >> >>Maco >> >>PS: prisli nam plosaky zo SPOJa. Celkom kvalitne, a tu cenu nemaju chybu >> >> >:) > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.629 (20040220) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From cbedison at centrum.cz Sat Feb 21 21:37:10 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Sat Feb 21 21:38:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2Clock: Preklad mechaniky 130mm Message-ID: <20040221213710Z1020510-8316+82673@mail.centrum.cz> zdravim, > > Zdar clocku, > > > > Chystam se stavet mechaniku 130mm, a dyz uz si to budu prekladat pro sebe, > > tak me napadlo, ze prelozim komplet (130mm mechanika + drazak + asi > > konzole - to uvidim podle potreby jakou zvolim). Mas o to zajem (bych to > > nedelal zbytecne) ? kdyz uz jsme u toho prekladani, mam prelozenou cast navodu na 90mm hlavici + drzak + drzak na zabradli a na trubku, takze jestli budes chtit, muzu to doprelozit a poslat Edison Radotin --------------------Kone?n? t? vid?m barevn?. Samsung X100 od 1977,- K?. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/hs_view1.php3?nob=1&lang=cz&hs_id=78&ii=1 From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 22 11:11:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 22 11:11:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2Clock: Preklad mechaniky 130mm In-Reply-To: <4037E7A1.7090705@seznam.cz>; from honza.havlicek@seznam.cz on Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 12:20:01AM +0100 References: <20040221213710Z1020510-8316+82673@mail.centrum.cz> <4037E7A1.7090705@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040222111108.A833@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 12:20:01AM +0100, Kero wrote: > Ahojku, > taky pridam trochu do mlyna(zaklady vyroby), mozna vam to vubec nepomuze, ale mozna ano. > Nejsem prilis dobry v AJ takze to je nekde nedodelane a potreuje upravy. Co je sxw form?t? Open Office? Nebo MS Office? P?ikl?d?m PHP, p?epi? to pros?mt? do n?j (jestli je sxw OpenOffice tak to nen? ?patn? n?pad to tam d?t ale mus? to b?t i v PHP proto?e nen? mo?n? po?adovat po u?ivateli instalaci tak masivn?ho bal?ku jako ja OpenOffice :) ) cutting emulze je rezna emulze. Tepelnemu poskozeni nacini -> tepelnemu poskozeni nastroje Vsim jsem si ze tam mam peknej blabol (1:1:1 by vznikla spis takova blijova majoneza) musim to tam opravit prozatim: Rezna emulze ve fundamentals: Voda a olej v pomeru 1 dil oleje a 4 dily vody, pridat tolik mydla, aby to drzelo po protrepani v mlecnem stavu. square je ?heln?k drillstand je stojanov? vrta?ka kompletn? dr??k na vrta?ku je asi stojanov? vrta?ka (ale nejsem si jistej jestli tam nebyl bl?vola ;-) ) zmensete hrany diry rukou - to je ze se veme vrtak do ruky a ostrouha se to s nim :) Takovy supermani zase nejsme ;-) Leda nejaka slecna s nejakym hodne dobrym modelem umelych nehtu ;-) conical drilling tool = v?hrubn?k (reamer drill). Takovej vrt?k ve tvaru ku?ele s ostr?ma dr??kama co se pou??v? na zahlouben? ku?elovejch hlav u ?roub?. Dal jsem si to do TODO listu ?e m?m v?hrubn?k vyfotit :) blok d?eva -> d?ev?n? ?pal?k soldering tip (takovej ten drat na pajce) -> hrot p?jky Neprehanejte pajeni - nic se nema prehanet ale tady jsem myslim myslel ze se tam nema davat moc pajky (solder, solder). Pajka je solder a pajecka je soldering iron. pokryjte cinem a kalafunou -> ocinujte za pouziti kalafuny p?ili? -> p?ilo? Pou?ijte p?jku s uzemn?n?m hrotem. Pokud pou?ijte pistolovou p?jku, aspo? p?ipojte smy?ku krokod?lkem na zem p?jen?ho obvodu a nezap?nejte a nevyp?nejte ji kdy? se hrot dot?k? obvodu bl?zko sou??stek BF908 a 74HC* citliv?ch na statickou elekt?inu. mechanick? stres -> mechanick? nam?h?n? studen? spoj je dob?e. elektronick?ch ??st? -> elektronick?ch sou??stek Nanan??ejte -> Nenan??ejte Tmel ?asto prask? -> se trh? kter? by tam natekl -> kter? by tam natekla Cl< > > Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero > cbedison@centrum.cz napsal(a): > > zdravim, > > > >>>Zdar clocku, > >>> > >>>Chystam se stavet mechaniku 130mm, a dyz uz si to budu prekladat pro sebe, > >>>tak me napadlo, ze prelozim komplet (130mm mechanika + drazak + asi > >>>konzole - to uvidim podle potreby jakou zvolim). Mas o to zajem (bych to > >>>nedelal zbytecne) ? > > > > kdyz uz jsme u toho prekladani, mam prelozenou cast navodu na 90mm hlavici + drzak + drzak na zabradli a na trubku, takze jestli budes chtit, muzu to doprelozit a poslat > > > > Edison Radotin > > > > --------------------Kone?n? t? vid?m barevn?. Samsung X100 od 1977,- K?. > > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/hs_view1.php3?nob=1&lang=cz&hs_id=78&ii=1 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -------------- next part -------------- Fundamentals of manufacturing operations

Fundamentals of manufacturing operations

This is a page common for all modules that describes important fundamentals in making various part for Ronja. Read this page at least once before you do anything in real.

Cutting emulsion

For cutting metal, a cutting emulsion is recommended. It prevents the cuting edge(s) from overheating and thermally damaging the tool and also reduces friction. You can make a suitable emulsion by mixing equal parts of water, soap, and vegetable oil and mixing them well. If you can't make emulsion, use vegetable oil instead. Do not use plain water as it will corrode the cutting edge and render it useless.

Vegetable oil is better than mineral oil because doesn't damage your skin and also makes more pleasant stench when gets overheated.

Apply the emulsion/oil with an old paintbrush or a syringe.

Cutting metal with handsaw

Apply cooling emulsion during the cutting as needed or at least oil (preferrably vegetable).

After cutting, remove burrs using a file (or massive sharp screwdriver if you do not have suitable file).

Cutting tin with tin cutters

Take care not to cut off your finger. The cutters are dangerous.

Drilling

First measure the exact position of the centre with a ruler and/or sliding measure (and a square if you have got a square). Use a sharp centre punch to mark the points and lines and hammer out a small hole in the future centre with the centre punch and a hammer.

It is recommended to use protective gloves during drilling, but unless it is fobidden in the safety guidelines of the drill manufacturer or the workshop you are working at! Big drillstands usually forbid this.

If the hole diameter is bigger than 5mm, use some smaller bit (4mm or smaller) to predrill the hole and then drill it out with the intended diameter. Use of a drill stand is recommended for all drilling. Predrill with 2mm bit where precision is critical. Best option is a ready-made drillstand. Those are very rigid and drilling is very easy with them because they don't vibrate at all.

Apply the cutting emulsion before drilling on the bit and on the material. If the emulsion evaporates, add more during drilling.

After drilling, cut down the hole's edges using bigger drill bit in the drill, or by hand. Or you can use a file or big screwdriver. There is also a special conical drilling tool for this operation that can be bought separately.

If you drill a tin, put a block of wood under it if possible. After drilling a tin, it is possible to remove burrs by banging them down flat with a hammer on an anvil or vice and repeating drilling if some of them got inside the hole. If you can't get block of wood, drill with very slow feed at the end to prevent exit burr.

Soldering

If the soldering iron's tip becomes dirty, heat it up and wipe it into a piece of rag or wet sponge so that it becomes clean again. If you omit this you will not be able to make a reliable joint. -- examples of OK and wrong soldering iron tip.

Do not spare resin flux and do not waste the solder. Put there only as much tin as necessary for the joint to be firm, but do not make balls from solder. Before soldering parts together, cover them with tin using solder and resin flux (be sure the tin adheres evenly to the part). Then put them together and add some tin, resin flux, and leave the soldering iron on until all the tin becomes liquid, then remove the soldering iron and don't move the joint until it thoroughyl solidifies. The surface of the tin must be clean and shiny. -- examples of OK and wrong joint.

Do not overheat the semiconductors. If you can't get tin on the pin and would need too long time, relax and wait until the part cools and then continue. Or hold the pin with pliers between the end and the part, so that the pliers will suck off the heat spreading over the pin.

Use a soldering iron with grounded tip. If you use those gun-style irons with a loop of thick wire, connect an aligator-clip to the loop and ground it. If not possible, at least do not touch the BF988/BF907 and 74HC* parts with the gun while switching it on and off.

The components in the airwire construction must not touch each other. If the insulation got corrupted, the device would be unreliable then.

If bending the wires or cutting them near the soldered joint, reheat the joint after. Mechanical stress on the wire causes the joint to crack and to become a cold joint. Remelting the cold joint again and letting it cool down correctly makes it a good joint again.

When letting the soldered joints cool down, do not move the wires. Also don't blow at the joint to make it cool down quicker. Both things result in cold joint.

Identifying electronic parts

Capacitors usually have the value printed on them. The most widespread system works like this: There is for example "104". You interpret is as 10 and 4. 10 is mantissa and 4 exponent, the unit is picofarad. So that 10*10^4pF=100nF. The capacitor's value is 100nF. Some multimeters can even measure capacitors.

Electrolytic capacitors must be polarized right. They have usually a minus (-) marker strip printed on one side. The lead that is near this marker is (-). Former Czech TESLA capacitors had the + wire marked by a groove around one edge and the - was connected with the body.

Resistors have got a colour strip code on them. Decode it according to the following chart:

Resistor color codes
or take a multimeter and measure the value :)

Diode pinouts are in the schematic. Zener diodes (those with a hook from cathode in their symbol) and plain silicon diodes have usually a remarkable strip on one side, which signs always the cathode. Diode is -|<|-, cathode is the -| and anode the <|-. You can check them with a multimeter - the red lead is on anode when the selector is on diode measurement and the multimeter display shows the voltage drop across the diode at 1mA current.

Transistor and IC pinouts are in the schematic.

Placement of electronic parts

Cut the pins as short as conveniently possible. But make them long enough for the soldered joint not to touch the part's case because that makes the parts unreliable by overheating. Route the wires also in possibly short routes. Do not leave neighbouring parts like resistors and capacitors in touch, because sometimes the lacquer gets corrupted and a contact may occur.

Painting

The painted surface must be absolutely clean and fat-free. Before painting, mix contents of the can thoroughly. Dip the brush and press out the paint from it against side of the can with paint. Make uniform, thin layer. After painting, immediately rinse the brush with water. Do not make second layer before time interval indicated on the can. Also honour the minimum required ambient temperature.

There is a problem that you cannot paint whole piece because you would need to levitate it then to dry. So paint only one side, stand it on the other side, and wait until it stops being sticky (you don't need to wait all the time prescribed on the can). Then paint the other end and stand it ont the dry end again. A good feature of water-soluble paint is that it dries very quickly.

If you have time to lie down the painted pieces for a week before installation, it is recommended because the paint gets superior hardness. This ensures exceptional resistance against scratching during installation and tightening of the big nuts. It also makes the aiming very comfortable because the hard paint then slides very easily and uniformly. It is not necessary to worry about leaving the paint to harden before mounting together the pipes, because the scratching occurs only in places which are then sealed with the sealant and thus have no chance to rust up.

Sillicone sealant

When sealing a seam, first put small amount of the sealant on both sides of the seam. Spread it and knead it firmly with your fingers to coat the surrunding surfaces of the seam reliably. Then apply the big amount of sealant and shape it with your fingers. Then wipe your fingers into a dry rag (or piece of paper) completely. Do not try to wash the sealant off your fingers with soap and water as it is impossible.

After the sealant dries, seal the seam once more. Often the sealant breaks during hardening and omitting this would cause a failure of the device after a month or so when enough water accumulates inside the pipe coming through the hole.

Reading the guide

  • Boxed pages: for each box, read the contents of the box. Then execute the commands prescribed. Then scratch out the box to remember the operations have been done.
  • Info boxes in boxed pages (marked by i in blue circle): these boxes give additional information in advance
  • Stereo pictures: if you don't know what they are or how to view them properly, look into The Vocabulary. They are convergent / cross eye stero pictures.
From polous at katka.biz Sun Feb 22 11:17:39 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Feb 22 11:16:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2Clock: Preklad mechaniky 130mm References: <20040221213710Z1020510-8316+82673@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <007901c3f935$828764c0$4805150a@kalvak> ok, tak udelej 90mm hlavici (clock ti asi posle CVS predlohy soubory) + konzole co mas a dodelam 130mm hlavu. a co mas z toho drzaku (holder) ? - ja mam udelanej nacisto v ?j (uz v tech CVS) seznam soucasti a materialu. Jestli mas vic, skus mi to poslat na majla (polous@katka.biz), ze bych to skompletoval nacisto at to nedelas nakec vsecko ty :). Asi by mi pichlo, kdybys mi poslal majlem i tu tvoji 90tku hlavu (jestli mas treba stavbu, nebou about...), protoze se to asi moc lisit nebude. Jestli se ti to nechce davat dohromady do tech CVSek, tak mi to posli vsecko a s tim skusim neco udelat ;-) 2Clock: takze muzem pozadat o CVS k 90mm Hlava, drzak na zabradli, drzak na trubku ? pOlOus ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 2Clock: Preklad mechaniky 130mm zdravim, > > Zdar clocku, > > > > Chystam se stavet mechaniku 130mm, a dyz uz si to budu prekladat pro sebe, > > tak me napadlo, ze prelozim komplet (130mm mechanika + drazak + asi > > konzole - to uvidim podle potreby jakou zvolim). Mas o to zajem (bych to > > nedelal zbytecne) ? kdyz uz jsme u toho prekladani, mam prelozenou cast navodu na 90mm hlavici + drzak + drzak na zabradli a na trubku, takze jestli budes chtit, muzu to doprelozit a poslat Edison Radotin From maco at host.sk Sun Feb 22 12:28:54 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sun Feb 22 12:29:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2Clock: Preklad mechaniky 130mm In-Reply-To: <007901c3f935$828764c0$4805150a@kalvak> References: <20040221213710Z1020510-8316+82673@mail.centrum.cz> <007901c3f935$828764c0$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <4038A086.5060601@host.sk> Nechcete to prelozit aj do Sovenciny? Ze by som pomohol :)) maco Martin Polehla wrote: >ok, >tak udelej 90mm hlavici (clock ti asi posle CVS predlohy soubory) + konzole >co mas a dodelam 130mm hlavu. > >a co mas z toho drzaku (holder) ? - ja mam udelanej nacisto v ?j (uz v tech >CVS) seznam soucasti a materialu. >Jestli mas vic, skus mi to poslat na majla (polous@katka.biz), ze bych to >skompletoval nacisto at to nedelas nakec vsecko ty :). > >Asi by mi pichlo, kdybys mi poslal majlem i tu tvoji 90tku hlavu (jestli mas >treba stavbu, nebou about...), protoze se to asi moc lisit nebude. > >Jestli se ti to nechce davat dohromady do tech CVSek, tak mi to posli vsecko >a s tim skusim neco udelat ;-) > >2Clock: takze muzem pozadat o CVS k 90mm Hlava, drzak na zabradli, drzak na >trubku ? > >pOlOus > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 10:37 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] 2Clock: Preklad mechaniky 130mm > > >zdravim, > > >>>Zdar clocku, >>> >>>Chystam se stavet mechaniku 130mm, a dyz uz si to budu prekladat pro >>> >>> >sebe, > > >>>tak me napadlo, ze prelozim komplet (130mm mechanika + drazak + asi >>>konzole - to uvidim podle potreby jakou zvolim). Mas o to zajem (bych to >>>nedelal zbytecne) ? >>> >>> >kdyz uz jsme u toho prekladani, mam prelozenou cast navodu na 90mm hlavici + >drzak + drzak na zabradli a na trubku, takze jestli budes chtit, muzu to >doprelozit a poslat > >Edison Radotin > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.629 (20040220) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From maco at host.sk Mon Feb 23 02:21:52 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Mon Feb 23 02:22:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par zaujimavosi TP interfejsu 0.3 In-Reply-To: <4038A086.5060601@host.sk> References: <20040221213710Z1020510-8316+82673@mail.centrum.cz> <007901c3f935$828764c0$4805150a@kalvak> <4038A086.5060601@host.sk> Message-ID: <403963C0.2060807@host.sk> Pustil som sa do simandlovho interfejsu a nasiel som par zaujimavosti, ktore ma zaujali a mozno zaujmu aj niekoho ineho :) 1) C17 je nedokonceny alebo nejako velmi cudne ukonceny obvod. v Eagli v brd proste konci "len tak", na plosaku co mam zo SPOJE sa napaja na R19 a C-IC8, moze sa k tomu niekto vyjadrit? :) 2) Medzi IC1 a IC2 je vyvrtana dierka C-IC1, ale nie je vyvrtana pri R10, teda prepoj, ktory tam ma byt (ten cerveny) treba dobastlit - myslim, ze staci vyvrtat dierku niekde v pade pod chrobacikmi. Vyzera to tak, ze ta zierka by tam aj mala byt, lebo je tam malinka vypeltana bodka, ale to je vsetko. Dierka nikde :) 3) pre mna boli dierky na X2 malee ;) musel som ich zvacsit aby som tam vopchal svorku. 4) taktiez diery na IC5 a IC6 su male - moze mi prosim niekto povedat, ci sa mu tam zmestili? ja mam l7805cv a l7812cv a teda nepasuju tam urcite (teda velkostami noziciek) (dufam, ze mam spravn suciastky ;) 5) v GMku maju RJ45 konektor no s upinacimi nozickami uplne inde ako su predznacene otrovy - riesim som to uplnym odrezanim noziciek a po napajkovani som konektor prilepil o dosku. ps: pr zasunuti konektoru mam nozicku konektoru hore...mozem mi niekto potvrdit, ze aj na ostatnych zasuvkach RJ45 to je tak, aby som zbytocne nehladal chybu inde. 6) moje kondenzatory 1000uF su na 35V (su velke jak hovado), moze to mat nejaky vplyv na funkciu? ma ake napatie by ste odporucali dimenzovat tieto suciastky? (220uF mam tiez na 35V) BOm by som nesmierne stastny, keby mi niekto odpovedal a myslim, ze to su zaujimave veci aj pre inych :)) Hodim to potom na moje stranky o Roniji ku ktorej robim step-by-step tutorial. dakujem maco From polous at katka.biz Tue Feb 24 20:13:31 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Feb 24 20:13:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par zaujimavosi TP interfejsu 0.3 References: <20040221213710Z1020510-8316+82673@mail.centrum.cz> <007901c3f935$828764c0$4805150a@kalvak><4038A086.5060601@host.sk> <403963C0.2060807@host.sk> Message-ID: <006b01c3fb12$af639cf0$4805150a@kalvak> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:21 AM Subject: [Ronja] Par zaujimavosi TP interfejsu 0.3 > 1) C17 je nedokonceny alebo nejako velmi cudne ukonceny obvod. v Eagli v > brd proste konci "len tak", na plosaku co mam zo SPOJE sa napaja na R19 > a C-IC8, moze sa k tomu niekto vyjadrit? :) C17 myslis 100p kondenaztor ? podle www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/utp/0.3/utp.sch.png je to tak spravne... skus to jeste porovnat s tpckem od silvije, tohle s toho vychazi, ale myslim, ze to bude stejny.. > 2) Medzi IC1 a IC2 je vyvrtana dierka C-IC1, ale nie je vyvrtana pri > R10, teda prepoj, ktory tam ma byt (ten cerveny) treba dobastlit - > myslim, ze staci vyvrtat dierku niekde v pade pod chrobacikmi. Vyzera to > tak, ze ta zierka by tam aj mala byt, lebo je tam malinka vypeltana > bodka, ale to je vsetko. Dierka nikde :) to sem myslim taky dovrtaval > > 3) pre mna boli dierky na X2 malee ;) musel som ich zvacsit aby som tam > vopchal svorku. Taky sem je delal vetsi. > > 4) taktiez diery na IC5 a IC6 su male - moze mi prosim niekto povedat, > ci sa mu tam zmestili? ja mam l7805cv a l7812cv a teda nepasuju tam > urcite (teda velkostami noziciek) (dufam, ze mam spravn suciastky ;) > Taky byly maly :) takze asi mas.... > 5) v GMku maju RJ45 konektor no s upinacimi nozickami uplne inde ako su > predznacene otrovy - riesim som to uplnym odrezanim noziciek a po > napajkovani som konektor prilepil o dosku. ps: pr zasunuti konektoru mam > nozicku konektoru hore...mozem mi niekto potvrdit, ze aj na ostatnych > zasuvkach RJ45 to je tak, aby som zbytocne nehladal chybu inde. Konektory sem vytahnul ze sitovky, mel sem dve moznosti - bud ty plastovy nozicky uziznout, nebo vyvrtat do plosnaku diru a udelat jak ma byt... ...nemel sem vrtak ;) > 6) moje kondenzatory 1000uF su na 35V (su velke jak hovado), moze to mat > nejaky vplyv na funkciu? ma ake napatie by ste odporucali dimenzovat > tieto suciastky? (220uF mam tiez na 35V) > Cely je to napajeny 12V, tak bych typoval, ze tam 16V staci.. (koupil sem je a pasujou tam... ;) ) > BOm by som nesmierne stastny, keby mi niekto odpovedal a myslim, ze to > su zaujimave veci aj pre inych :)) Hodim to potom na moje stranky o > Roniji ku ktorej robim step-by-step tutorial. > > dakujem > > maco > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja p0l0us From maco at host.sk Tue Feb 24 22:53:41 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Feb 24 22:54:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par zaujimavosi TP interfejsu 0.3 In-Reply-To: <006b01c3fb12$af639cf0$4805150a@kalvak> References: <20040221213710Z1020510-8316+82673@mail.centrum.cz> <007901c3f935$828764c0$4805150a@kalvak><4038A086.5060601@host.sk> <403963C0.2060807@host.sk> <006b01c3fb12$af639cf0$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <403BD5F5.1070305@host.sk> No, ak mate zaujem kuknite si http://local.blava.net:666/ronja - su tam nejake moje poznamocky a tak, mozno najzaujimavejsie budu fotecky. Dopredu upozornujem, ze som uplne amater v pajkovani, teda by som bol mozno celkom rad, keby ste mi postli nejake rady a tak cekovo sa vyjadrili ako to na vas posobi. Zatial velmi dakujem p0l0us-ovi za rady. Budem ich este par potrebovat :) A pls....be gentle on the server :) sme predca ludia tak si nebudeme robit zle :)) maco Martin Polehla wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marcel Hecko" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:21 AM >Subject: [Ronja] Par zaujimavosi TP interfejsu 0.3 > > > >>1) C17 je nedokonceny alebo nejako velmi cudne ukonceny obvod. v Eagli v >>brd proste konci "len tak", na plosaku co mam zo SPOJE sa napaja na R19 >>a C-IC8, moze sa k tomu niekto vyjadrit? :) >> >> > >C17 myslis 100p kondenaztor ? >podle www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/utp/0.3/utp.sch.png je to >tak spravne... skus to jeste porovnat s tpckem od silvije, tohle s toho >vychazi, >ale myslim, ze to bude stejny.. > > > > >>2) Medzi IC1 a IC2 je vyvrtana dierka C-IC1, ale nie je vyvrtana pri >>R10, teda prepoj, ktory tam ma byt (ten cerveny) treba dobastlit - >>myslim, ze staci vyvrtat dierku niekde v pade pod chrobacikmi. Vyzera to >>tak, ze ta zierka by tam aj mala byt, lebo je tam malinka vypeltana >>bodka, ale to je vsetko. Dierka nikde :) >> >> > >to sem myslim taky dovrtaval > > > >>3) pre mna boli dierky na X2 malee ;) musel som ich zvacsit aby som tam >>vopchal svorku. >> >> > >Taky sem je delal vetsi. > > > >>4) taktiez diery na IC5 a IC6 su male - moze mi prosim niekto povedat, >>ci sa mu tam zmestili? ja mam l7805cv a l7812cv a teda nepasuju tam >>urcite (teda velkostami noziciek) (dufam, ze mam spravn suciastky ;) >> >> >> > >Taky byly maly :) takze asi mas.... > > > >>5) v GMku maju RJ45 konektor no s upinacimi nozickami uplne inde ako su >>predznacene otrovy - riesim som to uplnym odrezanim noziciek a po >>napajkovani som konektor prilepil o dosku. ps: pr zasunuti konektoru mam >>nozicku konektoru hore...mozem mi niekto potvrdit, ze aj na ostatnych >>zasuvkach RJ45 to je tak, aby som zbytocne nehladal chybu inde. >> >> > >Konektory sem vytahnul ze sitovky, mel sem dve moznosti - bud ty plastovy >nozicky uziznout, nebo vyvrtat do plosnaku diru a udelat jak ma byt... >...nemel sem vrtak ;) > > > >>6) moje kondenzatory 1000uF su na 35V (su velke jak hovado), moze to mat >>nejaky vplyv na funkciu? ma ake napatie by ste odporucali dimenzovat >>tieto suciastky? (220uF mam tiez na 35V) >> >> >> > >Cely je to napajeny 12V, tak bych typoval, ze tam 16V staci.. (koupil sem je >a pasujou tam... ;) ) > > > >>BOm by som nesmierne stastny, keby mi niekto odpovedal a myslim, ze to >>su zaujimave veci aj pre inych :)) Hodim to potom na moje stranky o >>Roniji ku ktorej robim step-by-step tutorial. >> >>dakujem >> >>maco >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >p0l0us > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.631 (20040224) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From maco at host.sk Tue Feb 24 23:13:37 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Feb 24 23:13:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par zaujimavosi TP interfejsu 0.3 In-Reply-To: <006b01c3fb12$af639cf0$4805150a@kalvak> References: <20040221213710Z1020510-8316+82673@mail.centrum.cz> <007901c3f935$828764c0$4805150a@kalvak><4038A086.5060601@host.sk> <403963C0.2060807@host.sk> <006b01c3fb12$af639cf0$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <403BDAA1.7030207@host.sk> Este jedna vec - v chceme je par 50Ohm odporov - tie sa nedaju velmi zohnat ak sa vobec niekde daju zohnat - najblizsia rada su 47 alebo 51Ohm. Ja som pouzil 51Ohm, ale rozmyslal som aj nad zapojenim dvoch 100Ohm paralelne, co sa mi ale zdalo zbytocne. Moze mat ten jeden Ohm nejake vplyvy na funkcnost zariadenia? :) a vobec - preco tam su toe 50Ohmy ked su tak tazko dostupne ? :) ad - p0l0us - z coho si spravil tu L1? Napises presne kolko otacok z akeho drotu? Chcel by som si byt isty .... btw ako si na tom ty? uz si to skusal zapojit ? ad2 - da sa nejakym sialenym sposobom otestovat len jeden interfejs? dik maco From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Feb 23 07:52:07 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Feb 25 00:32:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] REQ: Guma 20mm In-Reply-To: <200402211237.29390.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20040221111116Z1015776-8306+80861@mail.centrum.cz> <20040221113413.B19940@beton.cybernet.src> <200402211237.29390.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200402230852.07298.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Ja jsem s uspechem pouzil gumovy valecek ktery jsem koupil v mototechne jako horni pouzdro predniho tlumice na favorita. Je to valecek s prumerem cca 3.5cm , uprostred otvor presne na M8 o tloustce 2cm. Predpokladam ze ta guma bude docela kvalitni, kdyz se pouziva na aute ve vnejsim prostredi. Jeden kus stal cca 2Kc. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Feb 23 09:53:46 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Feb 25 00:33:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par zaujimavosi TP interfejsu 0.3 In-Reply-To: <403963C0.2060807@host.sk> References: <20040221213710Z1020510-8316+82673@mail.centrum.cz> <4038A086.5060601@host.sk> <403963C0.2060807@host.sk> Message-ID: <200402231053.46917.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Monday 23 of February 2004 03:21, Marcel Hecko wrote: Hehe, no to je tuze pekne. bud 1) Nekdo zapomel zeditovat veliksti vrtaku na cele desetiny milimetru, jak je slusnosti, a masina si misto neexistujiciho vrtaku vzala "nic" nebo 2) je chyba ve vygenerovanych excelon datech nebo 3) dve diry jsou pris blizko sebe, vrtak se pri dotyku na hranu existujiciho otvoru ohne a zlomi, masina si nevsimne a pak vrta dalsi diry vrtakem, ktery tam opet neni (a to se mi jednou stalo taky - zapomel jsem na drc ) nebo 3) se ten vrtak vytratil jinak Proto je lepsi si generovat gerbera a excellon sam, a pak programy ala gerbview data zkontrolovat, navic, kdo jiny ma pravo rozhodovat, jakymi metrickymi rozmery nahrazovat vrtaky pro diry v palcove soustave, nez konstrukter. Jakub Ladman > Pustil som sa do simandlovho interfejsu a nasiel som par zaujimavosti, > ktore ma zaujali a mozno zaujmu aj niekoho ineho :) > > 1) C17 je nedokonceny alebo nejako velmi cudne ukonceny obvod. v Eagli v > brd proste konci "len tak", na plosaku co mam zo SPOJE sa napaja na R19 > a C-IC8, moze sa k tomu niekto vyjadrit? :) > > 2) Medzi IC1 a IC2 je vyvrtana dierka C-IC1, ale nie je vyvrtana pri > R10, teda prepoj, ktory tam ma byt (ten cerveny) treba dobastlit - > myslim, ze staci vyvrtat dierku niekde v pade pod chrobacikmi. Vyzera to > tak, ze ta zierka by tam aj mala byt, lebo je tam malinka vypeltana > bodka, ale to je vsetko. Dierka nikde :) > > 3) pre mna boli dierky na X2 malee ;) musel som ich zvacsit aby som tam > vopchal svorku. > > 4) taktiez diery na IC5 a IC6 su male - moze mi prosim niekto povedat, > ci sa mu tam zmestili? ja mam l7805cv a l7812cv a teda nepasuju tam > urcite (teda velkostami noziciek) (dufam, ze mam spravn suciastky ;) > > 5) v GMku maju RJ45 konektor no s upinacimi nozickami uplne inde ako su > predznacene otrovy - riesim som to uplnym odrezanim noziciek a po > napajkovani som konektor prilepil o dosku. ps: pr zasunuti konektoru mam > nozicku konektoru hore...mozem mi niekto potvrdit, ze aj na ostatnych > zasuvkach RJ45 to je tak, aby som zbytocne nehladal chybu inde. > > 6) moje kondenzatory 1000uF su na 35V (su velke jak hovado), moze to mat > nejaky vplyv na funkciu? ma ake napatie by ste odporucali dimenzovat > tieto suciastky? (220uF mam tiez na 35V) > > BOm by som nesmierne stastny, keby mi niekto odpovedal a myslim, ze to > su zaujimave veci aj pre inych :)) Hodim to potom na moje stranky o > Roniji ku ktorej robim step-by-step tutorial. > > dakujem > > maco > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Wed Feb 25 06:52:18 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Feb 25 06:53:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par zaujimavosi TP interfejsu 0.3 References: <20040221213710Z1020510-8316+82673@mail.centrum.cz><4038A086.5060601@host.sk> <403963C0.2060807@host.sk> <200402231053.46917.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <00d901c3fb6b$ea3a0810$4805150a@kalvak> Jestli mate ty spoje taky od Spoj kohout, tak mam pocit, ze to vrta rucne, podle predloh, ktere mu byly dodany primo od simandla (na moje folie se snad ani nepodival. Proto sem se nad chybejcima a jinak velkyma dirama ani nejak moc nepozastavil stat se to muze. Kdyz sem byl pro soucastky, tak sem si za 10kc koupil vrtacek a behem nekolika minut diry dovrtal ;-) p0l0us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par zaujimavosi TP interfejsu 0.3 > On Monday 23 of February 2004 03:21, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Hehe, no to je tuze pekne. > bud 1) Nekdo zapomel zeditovat veliksti vrtaku na cele desetiny milimetru, jak > je slusnosti, a masina si misto neexistujiciho vrtaku vzala "nic" > nebo 2) je chyba ve vygenerovanych excelon datech > nebo 3) dve diry jsou pris blizko sebe, vrtak se pri dotyku na hranu > existujiciho otvoru ohne a zlomi, masina si nevsimne a pak vrta dalsi diry > vrtakem, ktery tam opet neni (a to se mi jednou stalo taky - zapomel jsem na > drc ) > nebo 3) se ten vrtak vytratil jinak > Proto je lepsi si generovat gerbera a excellon sam, a pak programy ala > gerbview data zkontrolovat, navic, kdo jiny ma pravo rozhodovat, jakymi > metrickymi rozmery nahrazovat vrtaky pro diry v palcove soustave, nez > konstrukter. > Jakub Ladman > > > Pustil som sa do simandlovho interfejsu a nasiel som par zaujimavosti, > > ktore ma zaujali a mozno zaujmu aj niekoho ineho :) > > > > 1) C17 je nedokonceny alebo nejako velmi cudne ukonceny obvod. v Eagli v > > brd proste konci "len tak", na plosaku co mam zo SPOJE sa napaja na R19 > > a C-IC8, moze sa k tomu niekto vyjadrit? :) > > > > 2) Medzi IC1 a IC2 je vyvrtana dierka C-IC1, ale nie je vyvrtana pri > > R10, teda prepoj, ktory tam ma byt (ten cerveny) treba dobastlit - > > myslim, ze staci vyvrtat dierku niekde v pade pod chrobacikmi. Vyzera to > > tak, ze ta zierka by tam aj mala byt, lebo je tam malinka vypeltana > > bodka, ale to je vsetko. Dierka nikde :) > > > > 3) pre mna boli dierky na X2 malee ;) musel som ich zvacsit aby som tam > > vopchal svorku. > > > > 4) taktiez diery na IC5 a IC6 su male - moze mi prosim niekto povedat, > > ci sa mu tam zmestili? ja mam l7805cv a l7812cv a teda nepasuju tam > > urcite (teda velkostami noziciek) (dufam, ze mam spravn suciastky ;) > > > > 5) v GMku maju RJ45 konektor no s upinacimi nozickami uplne inde ako su > > predznacene otrovy - riesim som to uplnym odrezanim noziciek a po > > napajkovani som konektor prilepil o dosku. ps: pr zasunuti konektoru mam > > nozicku konektoru hore...mozem mi niekto potvrdit, ze aj na ostatnych > > zasuvkach RJ45 to je tak, aby som zbytocne nehladal chybu inde. > > > > 6) moje kondenzatory 1000uF su na 35V (su velke jak hovado), moze to mat > > nejaky vplyv na funkciu? ma ake napatie by ste odporucali dimenzovat > > tieto suciastky? (220uF mam tiez na 35V) > > > > BOm by som nesmierne stastny, keby mi niekto odpovedal a myslim, ze to > > su zaujimave veci aj pre inych :)) Hodim to potom na moje stranky o > > Roniji ku ktorej robim step-by-step tutorial. > > > > dakujem > > > > maco > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 25 09:43:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 09:43:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Nejaky papir o hygiene In-Reply-To: ; from b00lean@b00lean.net on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 09:41:19AM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20040225094341.B2413@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 09:41:19AM +0100, b00lean wrote: > Zdravim, > Opet zadost o radu: > Za nedlouho budem umistovat ronju na jednu strechu kde chtej po mne nejaky > papir o nezavadnosti ronji. > Nemas s timto nejake zkusenosti? Neresil jsi uz takovyto aspekt vyvoje > ronji? http://www.hygpraha.cz/kontakt.htm Zkus zavolat na oddeleni pro lasery a zeptat se. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 25 10:47:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 10:47:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Legislativni otazky bezpecnosti zraku Message-ID: <20040225104730.A2458@beton.cybernet.src> b00lean se ptal ze spravce baraku chce nejaky papir tak jsem zavolal na hygienickou stanici hl. m. Prahy a mluvil s panem Pavlem Sistkem ktery je v oddeleni pro neionizujici zareni. Kdyz jsem rek ze me zajima venkovni instalace viditelneho laseru s takovym a takovym vykonem a prumerem svazku, hned spravne uhodl, ze to chci mit jako nejake pojitko :) Nejdriv se me zeptal, zda se jedna o provoz jako nejaka firma a nebo soukromnik. Tak jsem rekl, ze soukromnik. Takze nasledujici se vztahuje na klasicky pripad, ze pojitko si daji 2 lide mezi baraky. Jestli je nejaka odlisnost pro firmy nevim. Zeptal jsem se rovnou na pripad, ze by Ronja byla laser a rikal, ze kdysi byla vyhlaska 408/??? ktera rikala ze je nutno venkovni instalaci laseru konzultovat s hygienickym organem. Ta jiz neplati a v dnesni dobe neni treba instalaci laseru nijak nikam oznamovat, nic. Staci pouze dodrzet vyhlasku. Pak rikal ze je treba aby zarizeni bylo trida 3A, tzn. nahodna osoba aby se do nej mohla koukat nepretrzite. Taky rikal ze je potreba zajistit aby k zarizeni nemohly bezne deti a nemohly se v tom hrabat. Tohle si myslim ze ani u LEDkovych zarizeni neni treba protoze i kdyby to rozebraly do mrte, nic se jim na rozdil od laseru nemuze stat. Pak rikal ze je treba uvazit i ze by se do toho nekdo nekde jinde podival dalekohledem, je treba zapocitat i amatersky hvezdarsky dalekohled ktery ma hodne velke uhlove zvetseni. V pripade viditelneho svetla se pry pocita 0.25 sekundy doba expozice (protoze odvrati oko) a za tuto dobu nesmi oko absorbovat vic jak 0.25mJ energie. Ptal jsem se i na problematiku ze spravce baraku chce nejake uredni potvrzeni o neskodnosti. Rikal, ze spravce ma pravo se vyjadrit pouze k problematice montaze na dum (vrtani do zdi apod.). Za hygienickou nezavadnost odpovida provozovatel zarizeni a odpovednost za tuto nezavadnost je na bedrech provozovatele, nikoliv spravce. Doporucoval vyhotovit nejaky zjednoduseny vypocet podle vyhlasky 480/2000 Sb. a vlastnikovi objektu ho ukazat a prohlasit, ze zarizeni je z tohoto hlediska v poradku. Muze se ale pry stat, ze prijde hygienik z hygienicke stanice na kontrolu a bude chtit vedet, zda zarizeni splnuje hygienickou vyhlasku 480/2000 Sb. Protoze pristroj na mereni je velmi drahy a oni ho nemaji, tak bude pozadovat nejakou dokumentaci. V tom pripade je treba, aby se ukazal hygienikovi take takovyto vypocet a nebo technicka dokumentace k zarizeni (zde se ukazuje vyhode otevrenosti zdrojovych kodu ;-) ), proste neco, z ceho se daji prislusne hodnoty urcit. Pak jsem se ptal na letadla z hlediska oslneni pilota. Pry neni treba nic resit, protoze u pilotu se pocita s odrazem slunicka od oken ve meste, ktere, jak si clovek muze vsimnout, je i na dalku velmi intenzivni. Dal jsem se ptal na to, kdyby si nekdo stezoval, ze svetlo je sice v norme, ale ze ho obtezuje (napr. mu sviti do okna). Rikal, ze zde opet jde pouze o to, aby to vyhovovalo hygienicke vyhlasce 480/2000 Sb. z hlediska bezpecnosti zraku, ale ze je nejlepsi samozrejme se zkusit s tim clovekem nejak rozumne dohodnout, (napr. zkusit lepe zaostrit svazek, trochu posunout a podobne). Dal jsem rikal, ze existuji lide, kteri maji nutkani si neustale stezovat, on rikal ze to zna, ze jich takovych ma denne nekolik. Doporucil v takovem pripade poukazat na to, ze zarizeni vyhovuje vyhlasce a ze se jedna pouze o obycejne svetlo jak ho bezne zname, napr. v pripade slunicka. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 25 10:52:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 10:51:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hygiena... Message-ID: <20040225105200.A2502@beton.cybernet.src> Jo kdyby jeste mel nekdo nejaky nutny dotaz tak kontakt je: http://www.hygpraha.cz/pracoviste.htm Ing. Pavel Sistek +420 271 087 109 Kdybyste mu nekdo volal tak pls napiste vysledek sem, at mu nevola moc lidi. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Feb 25 11:03:16 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Feb 25 11:04:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyvoj Message-ID: <403C8F04.5548.488B73@localhost> Zdar, predkladam soubor poznatku shromazdenych pri poslednich testech: 1) RSSI se dvema diodami: maximalni napeti na vystupu se da ocekavat kolem 5V. Odchylka smerem dolu je zpusobena podstatne odlisnou hodnotou napeti Uds na tranzistoru BF9xy od 1/2 napajeciho. A pozor!!! Pri prebuzeni vstupu toto napeti prudce klesne. Pri testu bez optiky to je pro vzdalenost PIN - LED mensi nez 10cm, zaroven se voltmetrem na PINce nameri misto -11V neco kolem 0 az +1V. Tohle muze zpusobit problem pri zamerovani pokud mate predimenzovane cocky nebo svitite laserem - paradoxne pri nejlepsim zamereni to nefunguje a RSSI je 0V. 2) Plastove trubky: bylo zjisteno ze sede trubky z PVC s tloustkou steny 2mm propousteji nechutne velke mnozstvi IR zareni. S tim je treba pocitat, kdyz uz je pres veskera varovani chcete pouzit. 3) Cerneni vnitrniho povrchu roury nema sebemensi vyznam, s vyjimkou sazi. Nejvetsi podil na proudu primaci diodou ma IR zareni. Vuci nemu se vetsina cernych barev chova jako zrcadlo. Reseni je jedine - dira ve "slunecni" clonce se musi udelat prave tak velka, aby dioda videla pouze cocku. 4) "Gumovy" zamerovac: naramne se osvedcilo vyrezat do L profilu zavity pro staveci srouby (ty, co sou na nich navleceny gumy). Zvysi se tak komfort obsluhy a presnost zamereni. S namontovanym laserem bylo na 700m zamerovano doslova s milimetrovou presnosti (Pote co jsme obsluze vysvetlili, co znamena povel vlevo, a co vpravo, to trvalo cca 5 minut ;-) ). Bezni stavitele dale nectete. 5) Casovaci obvody v interfacu (posledni ohlaseny a uznany BUG). Problem je castecne zpusoben pouzitim diody (1N4448). Jeji ubytek v propustnem smeru se meni vyrazne s teplotouu. V beznem provozu se meni o vice jak 0,1V. Dlasi problem je s nabijenim casovacich kondenzatoru. Strukturou logick?ch IO je dano, ze jaxi vystup v H je "slabsi" a zaroven miva vetsi rozptyl toleranci. Je to dano konstrukci vystupniho tranzistoru. (Vysvetli Simandl) S toleranci rozhodovaciho obvodu na vstupu IO toho moc udelat nelze. Kombinace tohoto dokaze znefuncnit cely obvod. Tolerance odporu byva naproti tomu 1procento a s teplotou se nemeni. Kondenzator bezne 5 procent a pokud je z hmoty NPO (pod 100p prakticky vsechny kondenzatory), tak se kapacita take nemeni. Takze RC clanek nema vliv. Navrhuji proto pouzit na vybiti RC clanku obvody s otevrenym kolektorem (7405, 7403). Timto se zajisti pocatecni podminky temer shodne a usetri se diody. 6) Kdyz uz byl do interfacu zadelan krystalovy oscilator a zaroven zbylo par hradel, tak by stalo za uvahu dodelat podporu halfduplexu. Oscilator by se vymenil za 10MHz a pridala by se jeste jedna delicka 7474, tim by se zvysila frekvence idle signalu na 1,250MHz, coz by na funkci nemelo vliv. (7474 je podstatne levnejsi nez k. oscilator). Tech 10MHz by se pak poustelo do col. vstupu. Signalizace odpojeni media by se dala udelat pomoci EXOR hradla porovnavanim primaneho idle a generovaneho idle (mame tam oscilator s 100ppm/1?C). Tim by se nechala zajistit i zpetna kompatibilita a zaroven by byla informace, ze je link v poradku = idle signal je priman. Toto by vyresilo potrebu cca 80procent lidi, co chteji Ronju stavet. Vyvoji Zdar, i kdyz to mysleni casto boli... From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Feb 25 11:11:28 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (boza2@volny.cz) Date: Wed Feb 25 11:11:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Legislativni otazky bezpecnosti zraku In-Reply-To: <20040225104730.A2458@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040225104730.A2458@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <19cbfa4031364b320092cbbf4ec71613@www3.mail.volny.cz> Zdravim, muzes prosim na strankach Ronjy zverejnit ten vypocet primo pro Ronju, E4000, a 130mm lupy? Nejak netusim co a kam dosazovat a podle ceho to pocitat. Diky OndraT ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Karel Kulhav?" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: [Ronja] Legislativni otazky bezpecnosti zraku Datum: 25.2.2004 - 11:47:52 > Nejdriv se me zeptal, zda se jedna o provoz jako nejaka > firma a nebo > soukromnik. Tak jsem rekl, ze soukromnik. Takze > nasledujici se vztahuje na > klasicky pripad, ze pojitko si daji 2 lide mezi baraky. > Jestli je nejaka > odlisnost pro firmy nevim. > > Zeptal jsem se rovnou na pripad, ze by Ronja byla laser > a rikal, ze kdysi byla > vyhlaska 408/??? ktera rikala ze je nutno venkovni > instalaci laseru konzultovat > s hygienickym organem. Ta jiz neplati a v dnesni dobe > neni treba instalaci > laseru nijak nikam oznamovat, nic. Staci pouze dodrzet > vyhlasku. > > Pak rikal ze je treba aby zarizeni bylo trida 3A, tzn. > nahodna osoba aby se do > nej mohla koukat nepretrzite. > > Taky rikal ze je potreba zajistit aby k zarizeni > nemohly bezne deti a nemohly > se v tom hrabat. Tohle si myslim ze ani u LEDkovych > zarizeni neni treba protoze > i kdyby to rozebraly do mrte, nic se jim na rozdil od > laseru nemuze stat. > > Pak rikal ze je treba uvazit i ze by se do toho nekdo > nekde jinde podival > dalekohledem, je treba zapocitat i amatersky hvezdarsky > dalekohled ktery ma > hodne velke uhlove zvetseni. V pripade viditelneho > svetla se pry pocita 0.25 > sekundy doba expozice (protoze odvrati oko) a za tuto > dobu nesmi oko absorbovat > vic jak 0.25mJ energie. > > Ptal jsem se i na problematiku ze spravce baraku chce > nejake uredni potvrzeni o > neskodnosti. Rikal, ze spravce ma pravo se vyjadrit > pouze k problematice > montaze na dum (vrtani do zdi apod.). Za hygienickou > nezavadnost odpovida > provozovatel zarizeni a odpovednost za tuto nezavadnost > je na bedrech > provozovatele, nikoliv spravce. Doporucoval vyhotovit > nejaky zjednoduseny > vypocet podle vyhlasky 480/2000 Sb. a vlastnikovi > objektu ho ukazat a > prohlasit, ze zarizeni je z tohoto hlediska v poradku. > > Muze se ale pry stat, ze prijde hygienik z hygienicke > stanice na kontrolu a > bude chtit vedet, zda zarizeni splnuje hygienickou > vyhlasku 480/2000 Sb. > Protoze pristroj na mereni je velmi drahy a oni ho > nemaji, tak bude pozadovat > nejakou dokumentaci. V tom pripade je treba, aby se > ukazal hygienikovi take > takovyto vypocet a nebo technicka dokumentace k > zarizeni (zde se ukazuje vyhode > otevrenosti zdrojovych kodu ;-) ), proste neco, z ceho > se daji prislusne > hodnoty urcit. > > Pak jsem se ptal na letadla z hlediska oslneni pilota. > Pry neni treba nic > resit, protoze u pilotu se pocita s odrazem slunicka od > oken ve meste, ktere, > jak si clovek muze vsimnout, je i na dalku velmi > intenzivni. > > Dal jsem se ptal na to, kdyby si nekdo stezoval, ze > svetlo je sice v norme, ale > ze ho obtezuje (napr. mu sviti do okna). Rikal, ze zde > opet jde pouze o to, aby > to vyhovovalo hygienicke vyhlasce 480/2000 Sb. z > hlediska bezpecnosti zraku, > ale ze je nejlepsi samozrejme se zkusit s tim clovekem > nejak rozumne dohodnout, > (napr. zkusit lepe zaostrit svazek, trochu posunout a > podobne). Dal jsem rikal, > ze existuji lide, kteri maji nutkani si neustale > stezovat, on rikal ze to zna, > ze jich takovych ma denne nekolik. Doporucil v takovem > pripade poukazat na to, > ze zarizeni vyhovuje vyhlasce a ze se jedna pouze o > obycejne svetlo jak ho > bezne zname, napr. v pripade slunicka. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Chces kilo? Tak pripoj kamose pres VOLNY. Vice na http://studentpartner.volny.cz/ From polous at katka.biz Wed Feb 25 11:35:19 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Feb 25 11:34:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] co velka vzdalenost ? References: <20040225104730.A2458@beton.cybernet.src> <19cbfa4031364b320092cbbf4ec71613@www3.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <001901c3fb93$760047c0$4805150a@kalvak> zdar, jen vsetecna otazka: Ja mozne udelat Ronju na 3km aby chodila relativne spolehlive (se zaloznim wifi spojem)? p0l0us From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Feb 25 11:42:33 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Feb 25 11:46:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] co velka vzdalenost ? References: <20040225104730.A2458@beton.cybernet.src> <19cbfa4031364b320092cbbf4ec71613@www3.mail.volny.cz> <001901c3fb93$760047c0$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <006601c3fb94$7529a160$0101a8c0@cz> Jedine na laseru -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: [Ronja] co velka vzdalenost ? > zdar, > jen vsetecna otazka: > > Ja mozne udelat Ronju na 3km aby chodila relativne spolehlive (se zaloznim > wifi spojem)? > > p0l0us > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Feb 25 13:01:39 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Feb 25 13:02:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyvoj In-Reply-To: <403C8F04.5548.488B73@localhost> References: <403C8F04.5548.488B73@localhost> Message-ID: <200402251401.39431.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > 2) Plastove trubky: bylo zjisteno ze sede trubky z PVC s tloustkou steny > 2mm propousteji nechutne velke mnozstvi IR zareni. S tim je treba pocitat, > kdyz uz je pres veskera varovani chcete pouzit. A jak se tvari plastove trubky urcene do zeme (oranzove), ty maji tloustku steny cca 4mm.? > 4) "Gumovy" zamerovac: naramne se osvedcilo vyrezat do L profilu zavity pro > staveci srouby (ty, co sou na nich navleceny gumy). Zvysi se tak komfort > obsluhy a presnost zamereni. S namontovanym laserem bylo na 700m zamerovano > doslova s milimetrovou presnosti (Pote co jsme obsluze vysvetlili, co > znamena povel vlevo, a co vpravo, to trvalo cca 5 minut ;-) ). > Souhlas, ja jsem to nahradil tim, ze jsem na ten L profil ty matky pribodoval klasickou elektrickou svareckou. Vyhody: kvalita zavitu je vyrazne lepsi, takze sroub jde snaze otacet. Nevyhody: musite umet alespon trochu varit, jinak se matka zkrouti a sroub jde otacet blbe. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 25 13:28:12 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 13:28:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] co velka vzdalenost ? In-Reply-To: <001901c3fb93$760047c0$4805150a@kalvak>; from polous@katka.biz on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 12:35:19PM +0100 References: <20040225104730.A2458@beton.cybernet.src> <19cbfa4031364b320092cbbf4ec71613@www3.mail.volny.cz> <001901c3fb93$760047c0$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <20040225132812.B2649@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 12:35:19PM +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > zdar, > jen vsetecna otazka: > > Ja mozne udelat Ronju na 3km aby chodila relativne spolehlive (se zaloznim > wifi spojem)? Na to by byl dobrej laser. Ten je taky v TODO listu :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 25 13:30:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 13:30:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyvoj In-Reply-To: <200402251401.39431.zapadlo@melzer.cz>; from zapadlo@melzer.cz on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:01:39PM +0100 References: <403C8F04.5548.488B73@localhost> <200402251401.39431.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040225133055.C2649@beton.cybernet.src> > > 4) "Gumovy" zamerovac: naramne se osvedcilo vyrezat do L profilu zavity pro > > staveci srouby (ty, co sou na nich navleceny gumy). Zvysi se tak komfort > > obsluhy a presnost zamereni. S namontovanym laserem bylo na 700m zamerovano > > doslova s milimetrovou presnosti (Pote co jsme obsluze vysvetlili, co > > znamena povel vlevo, a co vpravo, to trvalo cca 5 minut ;-) ). Wow, to vypada rozumne :) Asi napisu do nastroju zavitniky a kdo je nebude mit, ten si udela stavajici konstrukci jako nouzove reseni :) Kam je lepsi vyrezat zavity - do ty placky a nebo do vinglu? > Souhlas, ja jsem to nahradil tim, ze jsem na ten L profil ty matky pribodoval > klasickou elektrickou svareckou. > Vyhody: kvalita zavitu je vyrazne lepsi, takze sroub jde snaze otacet. No co ja jsem rezal zavity tak rezany byly vzdycky lepsi nez matka ;-) Nepouzili jste nahodou jenom jeden zavitnik? Zavitniky jsou tri, predrezavaci, rezaci a nejakej dorezavaci nebo co. Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Feb 25 13:35:51 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Feb 25 13:35:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyvoj In-Reply-To: <20040225133055.C2649@beton.cybernet.src> References: <403C8F04.5548.488B73@localhost> <200402251401.39431.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20040225133055.C2649@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200402251435.51845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > No co ja jsem rezal zavity tak rezany byly vzdycky lepsi nez matka ;-) > Nepouzili jste nahodou jenom jeden zavitnik? Zavitniky jsou tri, > predrezavaci, rezaci a nejakej dorezavaci nebo co. Ja zavity rezat umim (vzdyt jsem strojar), taky znam rozdily mezi zavitniky. Ale videl jsem rezat zavity BFU a to bylo lepsi opravdu ty matky navarit. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 25 13:36:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 13:36:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Legislativni otazky bezpecnosti zraku In-Reply-To: <19cbfa4031364b320092cbbf4ec71613@www3.mail.volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 12:11:28PM +0100 References: <20040225104730.A2458@beton.cybernet.src> <19cbfa4031364b320092cbbf4ec71613@www3.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040225133607.B2690@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 12:11:28PM +0100, boza2@volny.cz wrote: > Zdravim, > muzes prosim na strankach Ronjy zverejnit ten vypocet primo pro > Ronju, E4000, a 130mm lupy? Nejak netusim co a kam dosazovat a > podle ceho to pocitat. Napsal jsem si to do TODO listu ale hned to nebude. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 25 13:42:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 13:42:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyvoj In-Reply-To: <200402251435.51845.zapadlo@melzer.cz>; from zapadlo@melzer.cz on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:35:51PM +0100 References: <403C8F04.5548.488B73@localhost> <200402251401.39431.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20040225133055.C2649@beton.cybernet.src> <200402251435.51845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040225134210.A2704@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:35:51PM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > > > > No co ja jsem rezal zavity tak rezany byly vzdycky lepsi nez matka ;-) > > Nepouzili jste nahodou jenom jeden zavitnik? Zavitniky jsou tri, > > predrezavaci, rezaci a nejakej dorezavaci nebo co. > > > Ja zavity rezat umim (vzdyt jsem strojar), taky znam rozdily mezi zavitniky. > Ale videl jsem rezat zavity BFU a to bylo lepsi opravdu ty matky navarit. Ja nevim nastrcim zavitnik do vratidla, chytnu to na zacatek pokud mozno rovne a pak se vzdycky musi kousek popoject tak otacku a pak zase vratit tak o pul otacky aby se to nestrhlo. A u tech dalsich davam pozor aby to zapadlo na zacatku do toho zavitu abych tam nerezal druhej. Je to spravne? Nebo je potreba jeste neco? BTW ja ty rozdily neznam - jaky jsou? Tatinek akorat kdyz jsem byl malej mi rikal ze jsou tri ty zavitniky a jak jdou po sobe a ze kdyz tam neni zadnej prouzek tak to myslim znamena tri prouzky. Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Feb 25 13:47:36 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Feb 25 13:47:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyvoj In-Reply-To: <20040225134210.A2704@beton.cybernet.src> References: <403C8F04.5548.488B73@localhost> <200402251435.51845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20040225134210.A2704@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200402251447.36314.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > Ja nevim nastrcim zavitnik do vratidla, chytnu to na zacatek pokud mozno > rovne a pak se vzdycky musi kousek popoject tak otacku a pak zase vratit > tak o pul otacky aby se to nestrhlo. A u tech dalsich davam pozor aby to > zapadlo na zacatku do toho zavitu abych tam nerezal druhej. > > Je to spravne? Nebo je potreba jeste neco? Je potreba jeste mazat, zvlast u takhle velkych zavitu. mazat nejakym hodne ridkym olejem. > > BTW ja ty rozdily neznam - jaky jsou? Tatinek akorat kdyz jsem byl malej mi > rikal ze jsou tri ty zavitniky a jak jdou po sobe a ze kdyz tam neni zadnej > prouzek tak to myslim znamena tri prouzky. Minimalne jsou maticove zavitniky, ktere jsou delane na rezani pruchozich der, tzn na zacatku se tvari jako jednicka, pak plynule prechazi na dvojku a na konci je kalibrovaci cast, ktera zastupuje zavitnik bez prouzku. Pak jsou klasicke sadove, ktere jsou urceny prorezani nepruchozich der a nekolik typu strojnich zavitniku. Nektere z nich jdou pouzit pro rucni rezani a nektere ne. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Feb 25 16:08:20 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:08:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandluv TP 0.3 iface Message-ID: <007401c3fbb9$96b52000$4880280a@DAVID> Nejsou k nemu nekde nejake souhrnne informace? Dik From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Feb 25 16:12:28 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:12:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandluv TP 0.3 iface Message-ID: <007c01c3fbba$2a60c660$4880280a@DAVID> PS- zkousel jsem zapojit iface ke zdroji (12V), zatim bez dvou tranzistoru BCY59 - je normalni, ze se po chvili zacne docela dost hrat? From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Feb 25 16:13:53 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:13:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandluv TP 0.3 iface References: <007c01c3fbba$2a60c660$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <008201c3fbba$5ce49940$4880280a@DAVID> Jeste posledni dodatek - sviti jen power LEDka... From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 25 16:17:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 16:17:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: hygiena In-Reply-To: ; from b00lean@b00lean.net on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 04:41:55PM +0100 References: <20040225104815.A2490@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040225161724.B2843@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 04:41:55PM +0100, b00lean wrote: > Diky, > Na hygiene mi dali kontakt na oddeleni pro neionizujici > elektromagneticke zareni (musel sem tam jeste jednou volat abych si ten > nazev zapsal spravne :) > A tam me informoval Doc. Pekarek, ze muzu mailem zaslat podklady o diode a > bude mi zdarma (!) vypracovano "Stanovisko". Wow, to jsou sluzby :) Posli jim datasheet diody (doufam ze umej anglicky) a informaci o tom ze pred diodou je cocka o takove a takove ohniskove vzdalenosti a prumeru, ktera meni kuzel svetla z diody na rovnobezny valcovity svazek. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Feb 25 17:50:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 17:50:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyvoj In-Reply-To: <403C8F04.5548.488B73@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 12:03:16PM +0100 References: <403C8F04.5548.488B73@localhost> Message-ID: <20040225175011.A3006@beton.cybernet.src> > 3) Cerneni vnitrniho povrchu roury nema sebemensi vyznam, s vyjimkou sazi. Nejvetsi > podil na proudu primaci diodou ma IR zareni. Vuci nemu se vetsina cernych barev > chova jako zrcadlo. Reseni je jedine - dira ve "slunecni" clonce se musi udelat prave Ty co jsem napsal do navodu jsem testoval a jako zrcadlo se rozhodne nechovaj, chovaj se jako cerny. > tak velka, aby dioda videla pouze cocku. > > 4) "Gumovy" zamerovac: naramne se osvedcilo vyrezat do L profilu zavity pro staveci > srouby (ty, co sou na nich navleceny gumy). Zvysi se tak komfort obsluhy a presnost > zamereni. S namontovanym laserem bylo na 700m zamerovano doslova s > milimetrovou presnosti (Pote co jsme obsluze vysvetlili, co znamena povel vlevo, a co > vpravo, to trvalo cca 5 minut ;-) ). > > Bezni stavitele dale nectete. > > 5) Casovaci obvody v interfacu (posledni ohlaseny a uznany BUG). Problem je > castecne zpusoben pouzitim diody (1N4448). Jeji ubytek v propustnem smeru se meni > vyrazne s teplotouu. V beznem provozu se meni o vice jak 0,1V. Dlasi problem je s > nabijenim casovacich kondenzatoru. Strukturou logick?ch IO je dano, ze jaxi vystup v > H je "slabsi" a zaroven miva vetsi rozptyl toleranci. Je to dano konstrukci vystupniho Ne, u HC je H i L stejne silna. > tranzistoru. (Vysvetli Simandl) S toleranci rozhodovaciho obvodu na vstupu IO toho > moc udelat nelze. Kombinace tohoto dokaze znefuncnit cely obvod. Tolerance odporu > byva naproti tomu 1procento a s teplotou se nemeni. Kondenzator bezne 5 procent a > pokud je z hmoty NPO (pod 100p prakticky vsechny kondenzatory), tak se kapacita > take nemeni. Takze RC clanek nema vliv. > Navrhuji proto pouzit na vybiti RC clanku obvody s otevrenym kolektorem (7405, > 7403). Timto se zajisti pocatecni podminky temer shodne a usetri se diody. > > 6) Kdyz uz byl do interfacu zadelan krystalovy oscilator a zaroven zbylo par hradel, tak > by stalo za uvahu dodelat podporu halfduplexu. Oscilator by se vymenil za 10MHz a > pridala by se jeste jedna delicka 7474, tim by se zvysila frekvence idle signalu na > 1,250MHz, coz by na funkci nemelo vliv. (7474 je podstatne levnejsi nez k. oscilator). > Tech 10MHz by se pak poustelo do col. vstupu. Signalizace odpojeni media by se dala > udelat pomoci EXOR hradla porovnavanim primaneho idle a generovaneho idle > (mame tam oscilator s 100ppm/1?C). Tim by se nechala zajistit i zpetna kompatibilita a > zaroven by byla informace, ze je link v poradku = idle signal je priman. > Toto by vyresilo potrebu cca 80procent lidi, co chteji Ronju stavet. No halfduplex je crap ale udelat by se to mohlo. Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Feb 25 18:37:23 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Feb 25 18:37:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Simandluv TP 0.3 iface References: <403C8F04.5548.488B73@localhost> <20040225175011.A3006@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001b01c3fbce$68ed6910$4880280a@DAVID> Je korektni zamenit BCY59 za 2N3904m jak je doporucovano na konci simandlovych stranek? Dik From maco at host.sk Thu Feb 26 15:47:40 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Feb 26 15:47:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Simandluv TP 0.3 iface In-Reply-To: <001b01c3fbce$68ed6910$4880280a@DAVID> References: <403C8F04.5548.488B73@localhost> <20040225175011.A3006@beton.cybernet.src> <001b01c3fbce$68ed6910$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <403E151C.4050303@host.sk> Ta tiez neviem BCY59 nikde zohnat, ale v GME v Bratislave mi vraveli, ze v Prahe este maju 8 kusov ako dopredaj, tak sa to da objednat z Prahy, tak som dal objednat 5 kusov. namiesto toto som kupil BC140, len netusim ci sa daju zamenit, bol to len tip skusi sa na to niekto prosim pozriet? ja sa to toho velmi nevyznam. Datasheety: BC140 - http://www.microelectr.com.hk/datasheet-list/Transistor/BC%20BCY/BC140-16.tif BCY59 - http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/B/BCY59.shtml Este jedna vec - neviete kde sa daju zohnat "filtre" (IC10)? Ktore sietovky ho maju a ako sa presne ten chrobacik vola. Dakujem Maco David Sedl??ek wrote: >Je korektni zamenit BCY59 za 2N3904m jak je doporucovano na konci >simandlovych stranek? >Dik > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.632 (20040225) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From schum at seznam.cz Thu Feb 26 16:38:10 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Thu Feb 26 16:38:15 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Re=3A=20Simandluv=20TP=200=2E3=20iface?= In-Reply-To: <403E151C.4050303@host.sk> Message-ID: <20201.67764-1164-1960430135-1077813490@seznam.cz> zdar marcel s tranzistory se netrap a dej tam klidne 2n3904, maji je v GM, "filtr" je eternetove trafo, nap?. typ 10F2001N nebo FB2022, http://www.bothhandusa.com/products/filters/FB2022_D_-RevA2-020819.PDF ktere jsem zde nabizel za 75,-Kc kus mirek ____________________________________________________________ Chcete dost?vat V?? obl?ben? ?asopis T?DEN ka?d? pond?l?? P?ed osmou hodinou r?no? A nav?c z?skat skv?l? CD dle Va?eho v?b?ru? Nev?hejte a p?edpla?te si T?DEN ji? nyn?! http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=70450%26url=http://www.tyden.cz/predplatne/main.html From maco at host.sk Thu Feb 26 17:19:47 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Feb 26 17:19:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Simandluv TP 0.3 iface In-Reply-To: <20201.67764-1164-1960430135-1077813490@seznam.cz> References: <20201.67764-1164-1960430135-1077813490@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <403E2AB3.6000002@host.sk> dik za odpoved, co hovoris na SF1135 alebo FC-22 (5851NL)? Dalo by sa nieco z toho pouzit namiesto FB2022? Pripadne mozes vymanovat viacej zamien? CO priblizne mam na sietovkach hladat? :)) Btw, ta cievka je 10 zavitov priemeru 8mm buzirkovaneho drotu vekosti 10x10mm right? PS: Som uplny magor z tych testpointov :) aurat som 1x zapojil tp interfejs, dve ledky svietia pricom nemam zatial osadene vsetkky chrobaciky. Moze mi niekto namatkovo poslat merania na tstpointoch a vystetlit mi ako to namerat? Dik maco schumann miroslav wrote: > zdar marcel > s tranzistory se netrap a dej tam klidne 2n3904, maji je v GM, > "filtr" je eternetove trafo, nap?. typ 10F2001N nebo FB2022, > http://www.bothhandusa.com/products/filters/FB2022_D_-RevA2-020819.PDF > ktere jsem zde nabizel za 75,-Kc kus > mirek > ____________________________________________________________ > Chcete dost?vat V?? obl?ben? ?asopis T?DEN ka?d? pond?l?? P?ed osmou > hodinou r?no? A nav?c z?skat skv?l? CD dle Va?eho v?b?ru? Nev?hejte a > p?edpla?te si T?DEN ji? nyn?! > http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=70450%26url=http://www.tyden.cz/predplatne/main.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ NOD32 1.634 (20040226) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Feb 26 18:38:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Feb 26 18:38:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] COCKY In-Reply-To: <001801c3fc92$d05d3520$8441000a@steebe>; from steebe@seznam.cz on Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 07:03:07PM +0100 References: <001801c3fc92$d05d3520$8441000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040226183816.A1161@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 07:03:07PM +0100, Steebe wrote: > Chtel bych se zeptat - koupil sem lupy v jedne zastavarne velikost 100 mm v prumeru - byla v takove zelene krabce : Glass Straight Shank a na ni nakreslena zemekoule s lupou :) Chci se zeptat zda tyto lupy teda cocky nekdo koupil a uspesne to provozuje .. Prave sem dneska natrefil na dalsi lupy ale v predrazene trznici byly to 130 mm a byla teda tlustsi nez ta 100 mm . > Jen dodam ta 100 mm ma kulatou rukojet a skoro vsude stejnou a ta 130 mela taky kulatou rukojet ale byla ruzne tlusta u krcku a na drzadle .. a mela jinou krabku :) > Cena : 100 mm 26 Kc ( trznici 50 Kc) Hmm, cena je gut :) > Cena : 130 mm 150 Kc v trznici > > Banalni otazka :)))) No normalne se to s tim provozuje viz galerka spoju http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php Akorat ponevadz jsou navody jen na 90mm a 130mm tak se to musi upravit primerene tloustka roury a ohnisko. Cl< From steebe at seznam.cz Thu Feb 26 20:57:12 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Thu Feb 26 20:57:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] COCKY References: <001801c3fc92$d05d3520$8441000a@steebe> <20040226183816.A1161@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000a01c3fcab$1ff653b0$8441000a@steebe> Dam sem odkazek na fotku :) v tom shopu co sem to koupil jich maj dost tak pokud nekdo bude chtit 100 mm lupy tak no problem Fotky : http://www.webpark.cz/cepecky/cocka.jpg a http://www.webpark.cz/cepecky/cocka2.jpg PS: huraa udelam dokumentaci na 100mm Roju :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] COCKY > On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 07:03:07PM +0100, Steebe wrote: > > Chtel bych se zeptat - koupil sem lupy v jedne zastavarne velikost 100 mm v prumeru - byla v takove zelene krabce : Glass Straight Shank a na ni nakreslena zemekoule s lupou :) Chci se zeptat zda tyto lupy teda cocky nekdo koupil a uspesne to provozuje .. Prave sem dneska natrefil na dalsi lupy ale v predrazene trznici byly to 130 mm a byla teda tlustsi nez ta 100 mm . > > Jen dodam ta 100 mm ma kulatou rukojet a skoro vsude stejnou a ta 130 mela taky kulatou rukojet ale byla ruzne tlusta u krcku a na drzadle .. a mela jinou krabku :) > > Cena : 100 mm 26 Kc ( trznici 50 Kc) > > Hmm, cena je gut :) > > > Cena : 130 mm 150 Kc v trznici > > > > Banalni otazka :)))) > > No normalne se to s tim provozuje viz galerka spoju > http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php > > Akorat ponevadz jsou navody jen na 90mm a 130mm tak se to musi upravit primerene > tloustka roury a ohnisko. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From steebe at seznam.cz Thu Feb 26 20:57:29 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Thu Feb 26 20:58:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] COCKY References: <001801c3fc92$d05d3520$8441000a@steebe> <20040226183816.A1161@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001201c3fcab$39765790$8441000a@steebe> Dam sem odkazek na fotku :) v tom shopu co sem to koupil jich maj dost tak pokud nekdo bude chtit 100 mm lupy tak no problem Fotky : http://www.webpark.cz/cepecky/cocka.jpg a http://www.webpark.cz/cepecky/cocka2.jpg PS: huraa udelam dokumentaci na 100mm Roju :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] COCKY > On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 07:03:07PM +0100, Steebe wrote: > > Chtel bych se zeptat - koupil sem lupy v jedne zastavarne velikost 100 mm v prumeru - byla v takove zelene krabce : Glass Straight Shank a na ni nakreslena zemekoule s lupou :) Chci se zeptat zda tyto lupy teda cocky nekdo koupil a uspesne to provozuje .. Prave sem dneska natrefil na dalsi lupy ale v predrazene trznici byly to 130 mm a byla teda tlustsi nez ta 100 mm . > > Jen dodam ta 100 mm ma kulatou rukojet a skoro vsude stejnou a ta 130 mela taky kulatou rukojet ale byla ruzne tlusta u krcku a na drzadle .. a mela jinou krabku :) > > Cena : 100 mm 26 Kc ( trznici 50 Kc) > > Hmm, cena je gut :) > > > Cena : 130 mm 150 Kc v trznici > > > > Banalni otazka :)))) > > No normalne se to s tim provozuje viz galerka spoju > http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php > > Akorat ponevadz jsou navody jen na 90mm a 130mm tak se to musi upravit primerene > tloustka roury a ohnisko. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Thu Feb 26 21:12:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Feb 26 21:12:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] COCKY In-Reply-To: <001201c3fcab$39765790$8441000a@steebe>; from steebe@seznam.cz on Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:57:29PM +0100 References: <001801c3fc92$d05d3520$8441000a@steebe> <20040226183816.A1161@beton.cybernet.src> <001201c3fcab$39765790$8441000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040226211211.A1524@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:57:29PM +0100, Steebe wrote: > Dam sem odkazek na fotku :) v tom shopu co sem to koupil jich maj dost tak > pokud nekdo bude chtit 100 mm lupy tak no problem > > Fotky : http://www.webpark.cz/cepecky/cocka.jpg a > http://www.webpark.cz/cepecky/cocka2.jpg Jo, to je "standard" cinanska lupa :) Cl< From bratrk at centrum.cz Thu Feb 26 21:22:13 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Thu Feb 26 21:22:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] COCKY References: <001801c3fc92$d05d3520$8441000a@steebe> <20040226183816.A1161@beton.cybernet.src> <000a01c3fcab$1ff653b0$8441000a@steebe> Message-ID: <004001c3fcae$9a4ef240$020a210a@marekbk> 100 mm cocky Uspesne pouzivany v http://images.twibright.com/tns/e20.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steebe" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] COCKY > Dam sem odkazek na fotku :) v tom shopu co sem to koupil jich maj dost tak > pokud nekdo bude chtit 100 mm lupy tak no problem > > Fotky : http://www.webpark.cz/cepecky/cocka.jpg a > http://www.webpark.cz/cepecky/cocka2.jpg > > PS: huraa udelam dokumentaci na 100mm Roju :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] COCKY > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 07:03:07PM +0100, Steebe wrote: > > > Chtel bych se zeptat - koupil sem lupy v jedne zastavarne velikost 100 > mm v prumeru - byla v takove zelene krabce : Glass Straight Shank a na ni > nakreslena zemekoule s lupou :) Chci se zeptat zda tyto lupy teda cocky > nekdo koupil a uspesne to provozuje .. Prave sem dneska natrefil na dalsi > lupy ale v predrazene trznici byly to 130 mm a byla teda tlustsi nez ta 100 > mm . > > > Jen dodam ta 100 mm ma kulatou rukojet a skoro vsude stejnou a ta 130 > mela taky kulatou rukojet ale byla ruzne tlusta u krcku a na drzadle .. a > mela jinou krabku :) > > > Cena : 100 mm 26 Kc ( trznici 50 Kc) > > > > Hmm, cena je gut :) > > > > > Cena : 130 mm 150 Kc v trznici > > > > > > Banalni otazka :)))) > > > > No normalne se to s tim provozuje viz galerka spoju > > http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php > > > > Akorat ponevadz jsou navody jen na 90mm a 130mm tak se to musi upravit > primerene > > tloustka roury a ohnisko. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Thu Feb 26 22:03:47 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Thu Feb 26 22:03:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Simandluv TP 0.3 iface References: <20201.67764-1164-1960430135-1077813490@seznam.cz> <403E2AB3.6000002@host.sk> Message-ID: <001001c3fcb4$68c96dd0$4880280a@DAVID> S tim trafem je to celkem jedno, ja ho "vytrhnul" z nejaky stary 3comky a funguje to normalne... Akorat se radsi predtim podivej na pinout, jestli ma to tvoje korektne umisteny vyvody.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" > dik za odpoved, co hovoris na > > SF1135 alebo FC-22 (5851NL)? > > Dalo by sa nieco z toho pouzit namiesto FB2022? > > Pripadne mozes vymanovat viacej zamien? CO priblizne mam na sietovkach > hladat? :)) > > Btw, ta cievka je 10 zavitov priemeru 8mm buzirkovaneho drotu vekosti > 10x10mm right? > > PS: Som uplny magor z tych testpointov :) aurat som 1x zapojil tp > interfejs, dve ledky svietia pricom nemam zatial osadene vsetkky > chrobaciky. Moze mi niekto namatkovo poslat merania na tstpointoch a > vystetlit mi ako to namerat? Dik > > maco > > schumann miroslav wrote: > > > zdar marcel > > s tranzistory se netrap a dej tam klidne 2n3904, maji je v GM, > > "filtr" je eternetove trafo, nap?. typ 10F2001N nebo FB2022, > > http://www.bothhandusa.com/products/filters/FB2022_D_-RevA2-020819.PDF > > ktere jsem zde nabizel za 75,-Kc kus > > mirek > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Chcete dost?vat V?? obl?ben? ?asopis T?DEN ka?d? pond?l?? P?ed osmou > > hodinou r?no? A nav?c z?skat skv?l? CD dle Va?eho v?b?ru? Nev?hejte a > > p?edpla?te si T?DEN ji? nyn?! > > http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=70450%26url=http://www.tyden.cz/pred platne/main.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ NOD32 1.634 (20040226) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zefram.c at centrum.cz Thu Feb 26 23:21:26 2004 From: zefram.c at centrum.cz (zefram.c@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Feb 26 23:21:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Stupid dotaz Message-ID: <20040226232136Z1016562-3150+6136@mail.centrum.cz> Zdravim, Mam stupidni dotaz. Ciste jenom orientacne. Ma mlha na infra stejnej vliv jako na viditelny svetlo(dochazi k disperzi) ? Myslim si ze by to melo bejt asi stejny, ale jistej si uplne nejsem. -------------------- P??LOHA O DAN?CH! Jak p?iznat dan?, on-line formul??e pro v?po?et dan?, da?ov? tiskopisy ke sta?en?, adres?? finan?n?ch ??ad? na http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://finance.centrum.cz/danove_priznani/ From maco at host.sk Fri Feb 27 00:34:27 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Feb 27 00:34:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Otazecka ohledne plosnacku In-Reply-To: <00ee01c3fcba$ad03f460$4805150a@kalvak> References: <001a01c3fcb7$9e0c0b30$0b01a8c0@DuronPC> <00ee01c3fcba$ad03f460$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <403E9093.5050103@host.sk> Ja mam zatial postavene interfejsy, ktore som dokoncil dnes v noci. Pri zapnuti do prudu svietia dve ledky pricom mi este nefacha ani to traficko na TP. Neviem si hlavne poradit odkial mam zohnat dohdnoty ktore mam namerat na testpointoch. NIkde ich nemozem najst :( Pls moze mi niekto pomoct hladat, alebo dat aspon nejaky hint? Blba otazka, ale ci nahdodou nerobim chybu - aky TP kabel na prepajat PC a Interfejs? Ja predpokladam, ze krizeny. Maco Martin Polehla wrote: > vsechny zkusenosti co mame (aspon ja) sou tady (skus procist historii > mailing listu tak do 4tydnu zpetne) ... mam to postaveny, akorat to > musim otestovat a uvidim .. zatim mi to nechodi ale nemam na tedka na > nic cas kvuli skole... > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Petr Machan > *To:* Ronja projekt > *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:26 PM > *Subject:* [Ronja] Otazecka ohledne plosnacku > > Zdravim, > mel bych jednu otazecku nez se pustim do stavby. Mate nekdo nejake > zkusenosti ze stavbou Ronjidla na techto plosnacich. > TP modul > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elekt...0.3/utp.brd.png > TX modul > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elekt.../0.1/bottom.pdf > RX modul > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elekt.../0.1/bottom.pdf > > Diky Laxx > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ NOD32 1.634 (20040226) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >__________ NOD32 1.634 (20040226) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 27 07:12:12 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Feb 27 07:12:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2Clock: Preklad mechaniky 130mm In-Reply-To: <20040226161359Z1016704-3150+4169@mail.centrum.cz>; from cbedison@centrum.cz on Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:13:58PM +0100 References: <20040226161359Z1016704-3150+4169@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040227071212.C177@beton.cybernet.src> Cau Diky zda se to v poradku. http://ronja.twibright.com/holder/index_cz.php http://ronja.twibright.com/tubular_head_90/index_cz.php Jeste musim nejaky ten skriptik napsat na automaticke generovani prepinatka CZ/EN. Cl< On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:13:58PM +0100, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > zdravim, > posilam to v priloze znova > > Jeste doprelozim ty konzole ;) > > Edison Radotin > > -------------------- > P??LOHA O DAN?CH! Jak p?iznat dan?, on-line formul??e pro v?po?et dan?, da?ov? tiskopisy ke sta?en?, adres?? finan?n?ch ??ad? na http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://finance.centrum.cz/danove_priznani/ > > > > From hollari1 at gmx.at Fri Feb 27 11:34:34 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Fri Feb 27 11:34:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?!? References: Message-ID: <17612.1077881674@www23.gmx.net> Can someone tell me whats going on in this Mailing List ?!? I don t understand a word cech. :-( Does anyone have a good translator to english or german ? -- GMX ProMail (250 MB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS, Virenschutz, 2,99 EUR/Monat...) jetzt 3 Monate GRATIS + 3x DER SPIEGEL +++ http://www.gmx.net/derspiegel +++ From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Fri Feb 27 15:57:34 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Fri Feb 27 15:57:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] HPWT leds References: <20040226161359Z1016704-3150+4169@mail.centrum.cz> <20040227071212.C177@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <007701c3fd4a$6a88e6f0$4880280a@DAVID> Je tu nekdo, kdo ma navic jednu, nebo lepe dve na prodej postou? Diky moc, nemuzu je porad splasit... From kneza at poupe.net Fri Feb 27 17:55:41 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (kneza@poupe.net) Date: Fri Feb 27 17:55:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ledky NUTNE Message-ID: <1077904541.403f849db48fe@webmail.poupe.net> Ahoj lidi, neni tu nekdo kdo ma 2-3 HPWTcka navic a je z Prahy? jsem hlava derava a zapomel si je nechat poslat pred casem od toho clovicka co je tu nabizel mimo prahu :-( Docela Nutne bych je na vikend potreboval :-(((( predem diky moc Kneza ------------------------------------------------ Poupe.Net - Internet Services of new generation! From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Fri Feb 27 18:01:34 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?David_Sedl=E1cek?=) Date: Fri Feb 27 18:01:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ledky NUTNE References: <1077904541.403f849db48fe@webmail.poupe.net> Message-ID: <000701c3fd5b$bce7b960$4880280a@DAVID> Jestli to byl mgolem@golems.cz, tak jsi udelal dobre, zes na to zapomel. Ja mu poslal prachy za dve ledky a on nikdy nic neposlal. : ((( ----- Original Message ----- > Ahoj lidi, > neni tu nekdo kdo ma 2-3 HPWTcka navic a je z Prahy? jsem hlava derava a zapomel > si je nechat poslat pred casem od toho clovicka co je tu nabizel mimo prahu > :-( > Docela Nutne bych je na vikend potreboval :-(((( > > predem diky moc > Kneza > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > Poupe.Net - Internet Services of new generation! > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Fri Feb 27 18:09:29 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Feb 27 18:08:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ledky NUTNE References: <1077904541.403f849db48fe@webmail.poupe.net> <000701c3fd5b$bce7b960$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <004b01c3fd5c$da2237c0$4805150a@kalvak> Skuste tohodle tohodle clovicka: ICQ: 281766561 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedl?cek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ledky NUTNE > Jestli to byl mgolem@golems.cz, tak jsi udelal dobre, zes na to zapomel. Ja > mu poslal prachy za dve ledky a on nikdy nic neposlal. : ((( > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Ahoj lidi, > > neni tu nekdo kdo ma 2-3 HPWTcka navic a je z Prahy? jsem hlava derava a > zapomel > > si je nechat poslat pred casem od toho clovicka co je tu nabizel mimo > prahu > > :-( > > Docela Nutne bych je na vikend potreboval :-(((( > > > > predem diky moc > > Kneza > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Poupe.Net - Internet Services of new generation! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Feb 27 18:55:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Feb 27 18:55:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ledky NUTNE In-Reply-To: <000701c3fd5b$bce7b960$4880280a@DAVID>; from sedlacek.d@sattnet.cz on Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 07:01:34PM +0100 References: <1077904541.403f849db48fe@webmail.poupe.net> <000701c3fd5b$bce7b960$4880280a@DAVID> Message-ID: <20040227185548.A789@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 07:01:34PM +0100, David Sedl?cek wrote: > Jestli to byl mgolem@golems.cz, tak jsi udelal dobre, zes na to zapomel. Ja > mu poslal prachy za dve ledky a on nikdy nic neposlal. : ((( Nasel jsem nasledujici utrzky informaci ktery by mohly pomoct pri identifikaci: Martin Golembiovsky http://czfree.vsb.cz//modules.php?name=IPDb&ipop=show Czfree Ostrava Golem - Golembiovsky: http://www.palkovice.cz/listy/pdf/pl12_02.pdf clock@beton:~$ host -t mx golem.cz n: golems.cz descr: firemni domena admin-c: GOLEMS01 tech-c: GOLEMS01 nserver: sem.golems.cz ns.czcom.cz glue: sem.golems.cz 212.47.15.99 role: Golems sit s.r.o. address: Dolni 66/2030 address: Ostrava address: 700 30 address: The Czech Republic admin-c: MGOLEM01 tech-c: MGOLEM01 bill-c: MGOLEM01 nic-hdl: GOLEMS01 e-mail: martin.golembiovsky@cz.abb.com person: Martin Golembiovsky address: Dolni 66/2030 address: Ostrava address: 700 30 address: The Czech Republic phone: +420 602764982 fax-no: +420 595925368 nic-hdl: MGOLEM01 e-mail: mgolem@golems.cz clock@beton:~$ host -t mx golems.cz golems.cz mail is handled by 20 mail1.golems.cz. golems.cz mail is handled by 10 mail.golems.cz. clock@beton:~$ host mail1.golems.cz mail1.golems.cz is an alias for sem1.golems.cz. sem1.golems.cz has address 195.146.124.115 clock@beton:~$ whois 195.146.124.115 inetnum: 195.146.124.112 - 195.146.124.115 netname: REFORMCAPITAL-NET descr: Reform Capital s.r.o. descr: Betlemske namesti 351/6 descr: Praha 1 country: CZ admin-c: FR921-RIPE tech-c: FR921-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: CZCOM-MNT changed: dana.urbanova@cz.tiscali.com 20030819 source: RIPE route: 195.146.96.0/19 descr: Aggregate for CZ-MOPOS-970908 origin: AS6740 mnt-by: CZCOM-MNT changed: miroslav.knechtl@czcom.cz 19990125 source: RIPE person: Frys Rostislav address: Betlemske namesti address: Praha 1 address: 110 00 address: The Czech Republic phone: +420 nic-hdl: FR921-RIPE changed: dana.urbanova@cz.tiscali.com 20030819 source: RIPE "prodej pozemku parc. ?. 51, v?m. 3110 m2, orn? p?da, k.?. Ko?akov, Martinu Golembiovsk?mu": http://tesin.cz/mz/2002-2006/zapisy/z2003zm05.htm "10.152.0.0/13 - [AS65152] Ostrava - Okres, spravuje mgolem": http://www.brno-czfree.net/ipadresy.php "Martin Golembiovsk? , r.?. 670422/0985 Ostrava-Z?b?eh, Doln? 2030/66, PS?: 70030": http://www.justice.cz/cgi-bin/sqw1250.cgi/or/s_detail.sqw?CEK=376483&PF=112&K=0646666d Cl< > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Ahoj lidi, > > neni tu nekdo kdo ma 2-3 HPWTcka navic a je z Prahy? jsem hlava derava a > zapomel > > si je nechat poslat pred casem od toho clovicka co je tu nabizel mimo > prahu > > :-( > > Docela Nutne bych je na vikend potreboval :-(((( > > > > predem diky moc > > Kneza > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Poupe.Net - Internet Services of new generation! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Feb 28 11:13:01 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (m.malusek@seznam.cz) Date: Sat Feb 28 11:13:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP od shimiho - oscilatory Message-ID: <000901c3fdeb$d4da8b20$0103a8c0@thechosen> Caues, snazim se postavit ronju s TP modulama na PCB od shimiho ale mam tam docela problem s oscilatorama.jeden ma generoat 1Mhz. ael kde? zakladni frekvence nebo az za tema deckama? takze zaklad bude 4Mhz? podle schemat na aui by to melo byt 4MHz zaklad a deckama delit na 1Mhz jenze ja tam pri te kapacite 150pf a 1,2K odporu namerim asi 200Khz po deleni, kdyz si tam dam trimrika snazim se to nejak posunout zacne to kmitat naprosto nesmyslne podle me a treba za deckama je nakonec vic nez zaklad :) ten druhy oscilator sice jde doladit trimrikem na 250Hz ale zase kde to mam merit? az za druhym deckem? a zaklad 1Khz nebo zaklad 250? vypada to nejspis na 1Khz zaklad :) ale radsi se ptam a dalsi vec, jak to nejlepe otestovat ze to funguje? propojit natvrdo vstup na vystum treba z tech bnc nebo jak? pres RX a TX odul to vzit nemuzu protoze nejak zlobej. koupil sme jine pin diody (bpw a sfh 203 nemeli tak sme vzal bpw 34 a ty maj 10x vetsi kapacitu prechodu a asi to nebude to prave orechove :) ) btw je to muj prvni pokus psat na mail konferu tak snad to neam dojde a neudelal sem neco spatne :) dik From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 28 19:52:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Feb 28 19:52:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Schematic concerns In-Reply-To: <200402272024.i1RKOMSm007229@ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com>; from rsmaxwel@ncsu.edu on Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 03:24:25PM -0500 References: <20040227065445.A177@beton.cybernet.src> <200402272024.i1RKOMSm007229@ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040228195241.A1005@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 03:24:25PM -0500, Scott Maxwell wrote: > AUI Forte > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karel Kulhav? [mailto:clock@twibright.com] > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:55 AM > To: Scott Maxwell > Subject: Re: Schematic concerns > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 12:13:20AM -0500, Scott Maxwell wrote: > > Hi, I am a student at North Carolina State University in Raleigh, North > > Carolina, USA and my team and I are trying to put together the AUI part of > > the RONJA project. We noticed that some test points have information > > telling us what they should be however there are test points that do not > and > > we were wondering what the values at those test points should be? AUI Forte schematic didn't contain any testpoint information. Your report is considered being a bugreport. Thanks for bugreport. The problem in schematic has been fixed by determining the values for testpoint and putting them into the schematic. It is already fixed on the web at this moment. Cl< > > > > If you could reply soon that would be great, we are trying to test the AUI > > and have it finished within the next week. > > Are you doing 10M AUI or AUI Forte? > > Cl< > > > > Thanks > > Scott > From clock at twibright.com Sat Feb 28 19:55:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Feb 28 19:55:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?iso-8859-2?q?Odes=EDl=E1n=ED_e-mailu=3A_tubular=5Fhead=5F13?= =?iso-8859-2?q?0?= In-Reply-To: <000901c3fd6c$1b837080$4805150a@kalvak>; from polous@katka.biz on Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 08:58:21PM +0100 References: <000901c3fd6c$1b837080$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <20040228195516.A1020@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 08:58:21PM +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Ahoj, > posilam ti tu 130mm hlavu. Vetsinu sem stejne opsal podle 90mm hlavy co udelal cbedison@centrum.cz. takze sem toho nakonec tolik neprekladal :). Jestli vis o nakych dulezitych rozdilech mezi 90mm a 130mm casti building a about, tak to radsi over. Jo dam to tam az napisu ten PHP miniskripticek na prepinani :) Ted je tam dany holder a 90mm hlavice. > > Jestli potrebujes, tak ti muzu pomoct s tim prepinanim jazyku v PHPcku. Nevis prosimte jak otestuju jestli filename ($_SERVER["SCRIPTNAME"], to se mi uz podarilo na webu najit :) ) vyhovuje regexpu .*\.php a nevyhovuje regexpu .*_cz\.php a jak substituuju ve stringu jeden retezec druhym retezcem? Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Feb 28 22:36:41 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (m.malusek@seznam.cz) Date: Sat Feb 28 22:59:09 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_Re:Odes=EDl=E1n=ED_e-mailu:_tubular=5Fhead?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5F130?= References: <000901c3fd6c$1b837080$4805150a@kalvak> <20040228195516.A1020@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c3fe4b$56a17510$0103a8c0@thechosen> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 08:58:21PM +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > Ahoj, > > posilam ti tu 130mm hlavu. Vetsinu sem stejne opsal podle 90mm hlavy co udelal cbedison@centrum.cz. takze sem toho nakonec tolik neprekladal :). Jestli vis o nakych dulezitych rozdilech mezi 90mm a 130mm casti building a about, tak to radsi over. > > Jo dam to tam az napisu ten PHP miniskripticek na prepinani :) Ted je tam > dany holder a 90mm hlavice. > > > > > Jestli potrebujes, tak ti muzu pomoct s tim prepinanim jazyku v PHPcku. > > Nevis prosimte jak otestuju jestli filename ($_SERVER["SCRIPTNAME"], to se mi > uz podarilo na webu najit :) ) vyhovuje regexpu .*\.php a nevyhovuje regexpu > .*_cz\.php a jak substituuju ve stringu jeden retezec druhym retezcem? > > Cl< nahrada retezcu pres str_replace asi nejlepe http://cz.php.net/manual/cs/function.str-replace.php regexp mi pane nerikaj tak neporadim Glo From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Feb 28 22:09:14 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (m.malusek@seznam.cz) Date: Sat Feb 28 23:32:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP od shimiho - oscilatory References: <000901c3fdeb$d4da8b20$0103a8c0@thechosen> Message-ID: <000b01c3fe47$809753c0$0103a8c0@thechosen> mno tak sem to ted rozbehal, asi me neco osvitilo a asi taky pomohlo 4 hodinove procitani vseho co se dalo. ale nic to nemeni n atom ze se ty oscilatory chovaj divne :) a nebo muj citac blazni. ale pres optiku to porad nejede :( doufam ze to je tema pin diodama. dik za spolupraci, zatim, poradne si popovidat o problemu cloveku pomuze. :) Michal "Glottis" > Caues, snazim se postavit ronju s TP modulama na PCB od shimiho ale mam tam > docela problem s oscilatorama.jeden ma generoat 1Mhz. ael kde? zakladni > frekvence nebo az za tema deckama? takze zaklad bude 4Mhz? podle schemat na > aui by to melo byt 4MHz zaklad a deckama delit na 1Mhz jenze ja tam pri te > kapacite 150pf a 1,2K odporu namerim asi 200Khz po deleni, kdyz si tam dam > trimrika snazim se to nejak posunout zacne to kmitat naprosto nesmyslne > podle me a treba za deckama je nakonec vic nez zaklad :) > > ten druhy oscilator sice jde doladit trimrikem na 250Hz ale zase kde to mam > merit? az za druhym deckem? a zaklad 1Khz nebo zaklad 250? vypada to nejspis > na 1Khz zaklad :) ale radsi se ptam > > a dalsi vec, jak to nejlepe otestovat ze to funguje? propojit natvrdo vstup > na vystum treba z tech bnc nebo jak? pres RX a TX odul to vzit nemuzu > protoze nejak zlobej. koupil sme jine pin diody (bpw a sfh 203 nemeli tak > sme vzal bpw 34 a ty maj 10x vetsi kapacitu prechodu a asi to nebude to > prave orechove :) ) > > btw je to muj prvni pokus psat na mail konferu tak snad to neam dojde a > neudelal sem neco spatne :) > > dik From jan.martinu at post.cz Sun Feb 29 00:29:13 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Sun Feb 29 00:21:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?Re=3A Odes=EDl=E1n=ED=20e-mailu=3A?= tubular_head_130 In-Reply-To: <20040228195516.A1020@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000901c3fd6c$1b837080$4805150a@kalvak> <20040228195516.A1020@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200402290129.13111.jan.martinu@post.cz> Dne so 28. ?nora 2004 20:55 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 08:58:21PM +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > Ahoj, > > posilam ti tu 130mm hlavu. Vetsinu sem stejne opsal podle 90mm hlavy co > > udelal cbedison@centrum.cz. takze sem toho nakonec tolik neprekladal :). > > Jestli vis o nakych dulezitych rozdilech mezi 90mm a 130mm casti building > > a about, tak to radsi over. > > Jo dam to tam az napisu ten PHP miniskripticek na prepinani :) Ted je tam > dany holder a 90mm hlavice. > > > Jestli potrebujes, tak ti muzu pomoct s tim prepinanim jazyku v PHPcku. > > Nevis prosimte jak otestuju jestli filename ($_SERVER["SCRIPTNAME"], to se > mi uz podarilo na webu najit :) ) vyhovuje regexpu .*\.php a nevyhovuje > regexpu ..*_cz\.php a jak substituuju ve stringu jeden retezec druhym > retezcem? > > Cl< Predpodkladam regexp=regularni vyraz - viz. funkce eregi. From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 29 17:20:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 29 17:20:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Preklad In-Reply-To: <20040229124319Z1015971-3147+20020@mail.centrum.cz>; from cbedison@centrum.cz on Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 01:43:15PM +0100 References: <20040229124319Z1015971-3147+20020@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040229172056.A1001@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 01:43:15PM +0100, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > Zdravim, > prekladam navod na konzole Ronjy, ale narazil jsem u konzole na zabradli na neco, co mi moc nesedi: > > Each assembly will consists of two identical L-profiles and one U-profile. > The profiles within each assembly will be mounted together using two bolts. > > Neni tam chyba? Nema byt drzak na zabradli slozen ze 2 U-profilu ?? Alespon > podle nakresu na strankach se z L profilu nesklada... Diky, je to buga. Opravil jsem to a je to online. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 29 17:26:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 29 17:26:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2Clock: Preklad mechaniky 130mm In-Reply-To: <20040226161359Z1016704-3150+4169@mail.centrum.cz>; from cbedison@centrum.cz on Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:13:58PM +0100 References: <20040226161359Z1016704-3150+4169@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040229172657.B1087@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:13:58PM +0100, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > zdravim, > posilam to v priloze znova Tak, uz to tam je :) I s prepinanim cestiny :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 29 18:05:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 29 18:05:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?iso-8859-2?q?Odes=EDl=E1n=ED_e-mailu=3A_tubular=5Fhead=5F13?= =?iso-8859-2?q?0?= In-Reply-To: <008b01c3fd6c$6045fa80$4805150a@kalvak>; from polous@katka.biz on Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 08:58:21PM +0100 References: <008b01c3fd6c$6045fa80$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <20040229180524.A1441@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 08:58:21PM +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Ahoj, > posilam ti tu 130mm hlavu. Vetsinu sem stejne opsal podle 90mm hlavy co > udelal cbedison@centrum.cz. takze sem toho nakonec tolik neprekladal :). > Jestli vis o nakych dulezitych rozdilech mezi 90mm a 130mm casti building a > about, tak to radsi over. V building jsou je?t? kusy anglicky. P?lka byla v UTF-8 a druh? v CP1250. P?ekonvertoval jsem oboj? do ISO8859-2. Chce? m?t v credits n?jakej odkaz? A jak? jm?no? > > Jestli potrebujes, tak ti muzu pomoct s tim prepinanim jazyku v PHPcku. Diky, uz jsem to napsal, uz to chodi :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 29 18:29:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 29 18:29:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?Prvn=ED_3_=E8esk=E9_p=F8eklady?= Message-ID: <20040229182950.A1720@beton.cybernet.src> M?me prvn? t?i ?esk? p?eklady - 2 od cbedisona a 1 od polou?e: http://ronja.twibright.com/holder/ http://ronja.twibright.com/tubular_head_90/index_cz.php http://ronja.twibright.com/tubular_head_130/index_cz.php cbedison prej pracuje na konzol?ch a kerovi (kero@matfyz.cz) jsem napsal jestli by nemohl p?epsat to HTML do PHP. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 29 18:35:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 29 18:35:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?Stav_v=FDvoje_Ronja_Twister?= Message-ID: <20040229183550.B1720@beton.cybernet.src> Twister (ofici?ln? Ronja TP interface) je te? ve stavu, ?e navr?en? ti?t?n? spoj je odeslan? ve v?rob?. Cl< From punjab at punjabcz.net Sun Feb 29 18:45:57 2004 From: punjab at punjabcz.net (punjab) Date: Sun Feb 29 18:46:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Stav =?ISO-8859-2?Q?v=FDvoje_Ronja_Twister?= In-Reply-To: <20040229183550.B1720@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040229183550.B1720@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40423365.2030704@punjabcz.net> Skvele. Ale zajimalo by me proc neni pouzit Simandluv UTP interface. Je na nem neco spatneho, ze nemuze byt zarazen "oficilane"? Preci je to otevreny vyvoj a pokud to funguje, tak je to velky prinos. Karel Kulhav? wrote: >Twister (ofici?ln? Ronja TP interface) je te? ve stavu, ?e >navr?en? ti?t?n? spoj je odeslan? ve v?rob?. > >Cl< > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 29 18:49:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 29 18:49:00 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_Stav_v=FDvoje_Ronja_Twister?= In-Reply-To: <40423365.2030704@punjabcz.net>; from punjab@punjabcz.net on Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 07:45:57PM +0100 References: <20040229183550.B1720@beton.cybernet.src> <40423365.2030704@punjabcz.net> Message-ID: <20040229184905.A2327@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 07:45:57PM +0100, punjab wrote: > Skvele. > > Ale zajimalo by me proc neni pouzit Simandluv UTP interface. Je na nem > neco spatneho, ze nemuze byt zarazen "oficilane"? > Preci je to otevreny vyvoj a pokud to funguje, tak je to velky prinos. Je to zalozeno na tpm starem casovani co je buggy. Cl< From punjab at punjabcz.net Sun Feb 29 18:54:10 2004 From: punjab at punjabcz.net (punjab) Date: Sun Feb 29 18:54:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Stav =?ISO-8859-1?Q?v=FDvoje_Ronja_Twister?= In-Reply-To: <20040229184905.A2327@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040229183550.B1720@beton.cybernet.src> <40423365.2030704@punjabcz.net> <20040229184905.A2327@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40423552.8040501@punjabcz.net> A ja to planoval stavet tento tyden.... Takze to neni dobry napad? Twister byl jiz odzkousen nekde na suchem spoji, nebo v hnizde a je funkcni? Mohl bych si stahnout schema a navrh spoje? Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Je to zalozeno na tpm starem casovani co je buggy. From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 29 21:17:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 29 21:17:14 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_2Clock:_Preklad_z=E1klad=F9_v=FDroby?= In-Reply-To: <4042462F.3000406@seznam.cz>; from honza.havlicek@seznam.cz on Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 09:06:07PM +0100 References: <20040221213710Z1020510-8316+82673@mail.centrum.cz> <4037E7A1.7090705@seznam.cz> <20040222111108.A833@beton.cybernet.src> <4038AD58.8090205@seznam.cz> <4039D1BE.8040901@seznam.cz> <403BA05C.70309@seznam.cz> <4042462F.3000406@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040229211718.A3345@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 09:06:07PM +0100, Kero wrote: > Takze poctvrte, doufam, ze to tentokrat dojde, pokud ne, tak asi zahodim email Mo?n? jsi to poslal a j? to zabordelil v mailech, nev?m. Pokud ano tak sorry. U? to tam je: http://ronja.twibright.com/fundamentals_cz.php Chce? n?jakej link nebo jin? jm?no v http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php ? Cl< > > Kero napsal(a): > > Ahojky, tohle nejak do konfery nedoslo nebo co, takze to zkousim poslat > > treti > > Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero > > > > > > Kero napsal(a): > > > >>> Ahojky, > >>> ano sxw je openoffice(zagzipovane xml nebo tak neco). Prepsal jsem > >>> to do toho PHP, > >>> pridal jsem sekci s identifikaci elektronickych soucaste, ale do toho > >>> nevidim, takze > >>> tam budou potreba asi nejake opravy. > >>> * Mo?n? by byl dobr? n?jak? obr?zek k identifikaci kond?k?. > >>> * Taky jsem nepochopil v?tu v sekci nat?r?n? > >>> To tak? p?isp?v? k velmi pohodln?mu zam??ov?n?, jeliko? !?! tvrd? > >>> barva klou?e velmi snad > >>> * Silikonov? tmel: to se m? nejd??ve nat??t na ob? strany spoje, po > >>> tom se k sob? maj? p?ilo?it a na to je?t? fl?knout dal?? hroudu tmelu? > >>> > >>> Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero > >>> > >>> Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > >>> > >>>> On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 12:20:01AM +0100, Kero wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Ahojku, > >>>>> taky pridam trochu do mlyna(zaklady vyroby), mozna vam to vubec > >>>>> nepomuze, ale mozna ano. > >>>>> Nejsem prilis dobry v AJ takze to je nekde nedodelane a potreuje > >>>>> upravy. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Co je sxw form?t? Open Office? Nebo MS Office? P?ikl?d?m PHP, p?epi? to > >>>> pros?mt? do n?j (jestli je sxw OpenOffice tak to nen? ?patn? n?pad > >>>> to tam d?t > >>>> ale mus? to b?t i v PHP proto?e nen? mo?n? po?adovat po u?ivateli > >>>> instalaci tak > >>>> masivn?ho bal?ku jako ja OpenOffice :) ) > >>>> > >>>> cutting emulze je rezna emulze. Tepelnemu poskozeni nacini -> tepelnemu > >>>> poskozeni nastroje > >>>> > >>>> Vsim jsem si ze tam mam peknej blabol (1:1:1 by vznikla spis takova > >>>> blijova > >>>> majoneza) musim to tam opravit prozatim: > >>>> > >>>> Rezna emulze ve fundamentals: Voda a olej v pomeru 1 dil oleje a 4 dily > >>>> vody, pridat tolik mydla, aby to drzelo po protrepani v mlecnem stavu. > >>>> > >>>> square je ?heln?k > >>>> > >>>> drillstand je stojanov? vrta?ka > >>>> > >>>> kompletn? dr??k na vrta?ku je asi stojanov? vrta?ka (ale nejsem si > >>>> jistej jestli > >>>> tam nebyl bl?vola ;-) ) > >>>> > >>>> zmensete hrany diry rukou - to je ze se veme vrtak do ruky a > >>>> ostrouha se to > >>>> s nim :) Takovy supermani zase nejsme ;-) Leda nejaka slecna s nejakym > >>>> hodne dobrym modelem umelych nehtu ;-) > >>>> > >>>> conical drilling tool = v?hrubn?k (reamer drill). Takovej vrt?k ve > >>>> tvaru ku?ele > >>>> s ostr?ma dr??kama co se pou??v? na zahlouben? ku?elovejch hlav u > >>>> ?roub?. > >>>> > >>>> Dal jsem si to do TODO listu ?e m?m v?hrubn?k vyfotit :) > >>>> > >>>> blok d?eva -> d?ev?n? ?pal?k > >>>> > >>>> soldering tip (takovej ten drat na pajce) -> hrot p?jky > >>>> > >>>> Neprehanejte pajeni - nic se nema prehanet ale tady jsem myslim myslel > >>>> ze se tam nema davat moc pajky (solder, solder). Pajka je solder > >>>> a pajecka je soldering iron. > >>>> > >>>> pokryjte cinem a kalafunou -> ocinujte za pouziti kalafuny > >>>> > >>>> p?ili? -> p?ilo? > >>>> > >>>> Pou?ijte p?jku s uzemn?n?m hrotem. Pokud pou?ijte pistolovou p?jku, > >>>> aspo? > >>>> p?ipojte smy?ku krokod?lkem na zem p?jen?ho obvodu a nezap?nejte a > >>>> nevyp?nejte > >>>> ji kdy? se hrot dot?k? obvodu bl?zko sou??stek BF908 a 74HC* > >>>> citliv?ch na > >>>> statickou elekt?inu. > >>>> > >>>> mechanick? stres -> mechanick? nam?h?n? > >>>> > >>>> studen? spoj je dob?e. > >>>> > >>>> elektronick?ch ??st? -> elektronick?ch sou??stek > >>>> > >>>> Nanan??ejte -> Nenan??ejte > >>>> > >>>> Tmel ?asto prask? -> se trh? > >>>> kter? by tam natekl -> kter? by tam natekla > >>>> > >>>> Cl< > >>>> > >>>>> Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero > >> > >> > >> > > > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 29 21:21:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 29 21:21:52 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_Stav_v=FDvoje_Ronja_Twister?= In-Reply-To: <40423552.8040501@punjabcz.net>; from punjab@punjabcz.net on Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 07:54:10PM +0100 References: <20040229183550.B1720@beton.cybernet.src> <40423365.2030704@punjabcz.net> <20040229184905.A2327@beton.cybernet.src> <40423552.8040501@punjabcz.net> Message-ID: <20040229212158.B3345@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 07:54:10PM +0100, punjab wrote: > A ja to planoval stavet tento tyden.... Takze to neni dobry napad? > > Twister byl jiz odzkousen nekde na suchem spoji, nebo v hnizde a je funkcni? Stav?t ?imadlov? ti???ky podle m? dobr? neni, co se t??e t? chyby je to n?mlich to sam? jako star? AUI vs. AUI Forte. Vrab?? hn?zdo Twistera b??? u? n?jakou dobu na 260m spoji Ronjou. Ti???k se mus? ozkou?et a? p?ijde z v?roby. > > Mohl bych si stahnout schema a navrh spoje? Uvoln?n? to je?t? nen? tak?e zat?m ne. A? se to uvoln?, bude to k dispozici jak sch?ma, tak n?vrh plo?n?ho spoje pro edita?n? programy kter? jsou free software. Cl< From punjab at punjabcz.net Sun Feb 29 21:27:15 2004 From: punjab at punjabcz.net (punjab) Date: Sun Feb 29 21:27:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Stav =?ISO-8859-2?Q?v=FDvoje_Ronja_Twister?= In-Reply-To: <20040229212158.B3345@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040229183550.B1720@beton.cybernet.src> <40423365.2030704@punjabcz.net> <20040229184905.A2327@beton.cybernet.src> <40423552.8040501@punjabcz.net> <20040229212158.B3345@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40425933.9050907@punjabcz.net> Podle me by bylo dobre uvolnovat veci i ve stavu "alpha" a necekat na funkcnost pro uvolneni. Prave v nejvice otevrene ceste vyvoje je sila. Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 07:54:10PM +0100, punjab wrote: > > >>A ja to planoval stavet tento tyden.... Takze to neni dobry napad? >> >>Twister byl jiz odzkousen nekde na suchem spoji, nebo v hnizde a je funkcni? >> >> > >Stav?t ?imadlov? ti???ky podle m? dobr? neni, co se t??e t? chyby je to n?mlich >to sam? jako star? AUI vs. AUI Forte. > >Vrab?? hn?zdo Twistera b??? u? n?jakou dobu na 260m spoji Ronjou. Ti???k se >mus? ozkou?et a? p?ijde z v?roby. > > > >>Mohl bych si stahnout schema a navrh spoje? >> >> > >Uvoln?n? to je?t? nen? tak?e zat?m ne. A? se to uvoln?, bude to k dispozici jak >sch?ma, tak n?vrh plo?n?ho spoje pro edita?n? programy kter? jsou free >software. > >Cl< > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Feb 29 21:34:47 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (m.malusek@seznam.cz) Date: Sun Feb 29 21:35:01 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_Stav_v=FDvoje_Ronja_Twister?= References: <20040229183550.B1720@beton.cybernet.src><40423365.2030704@punjabcz.net><20040229184905.A2327@beton.cybernet.src><40423552.8040501@punjabcz.net> <20040229212158.B3345@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000b01c3ff0b$db2f7730$0103a8c0@thechosen> kdyz nekomu uz treba jede to bugy AUI nebo TP ma cenu to pak treba nahradit tim spravnym? kdyz sem mel pro stavbe "stesi" a jede to tak je to asi zbytecne, ze? > On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 07:54:10PM +0100, punjab wrote: > > A ja to planoval stavet tento tyden.... Takze to neni dobry napad? > > > > Twister byl jiz odzkousen nekde na suchem spoji, nebo v hnizde a je funkcni? > > Stav?t ?imadlov? ti???ky podle m? dobr? neni, co se t??e t? chyby je to n?mlich > to sam? jako star? AUI vs. AUI Forte. > > Vrab?? hn?zdo Twistera b??? u? n?jakou dobu na 260m spoji Ronjou. Ti???k se > mus? ozkou?et a? p?ijde z v?roby. > > > > > Mohl bych si stahnout schema a navrh spoje? > > Uvoln?n? to je?t? nen? tak?e zat?m ne. A? se to uvoln?, bude to k dispozici jak > sch?ma, tak n?vrh plo?n?ho spoje pro edita?n? programy kter? jsou free > software. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 29 21:35:42 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 29 21:35:37 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_Stav_v=FDvoje_Ronja_Twister?= In-Reply-To: <40425933.9050907@punjabcz.net>; from punjab@punjabcz.net on Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:27:15PM +0100 References: <20040229183550.B1720@beton.cybernet.src> <40423365.2030704@punjabcz.net> <20040229184905.A2327@beton.cybernet.src> <40423552.8040501@punjabcz.net> <20040229212158.B3345@beton.cybernet.src> <40425933.9050907@punjabcz.net> Message-ID: <20040229213542.B3426@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:27:15PM +0100, punjab wrote: > Podle me by bylo dobre uvolnovat veci i ve stavu "alpha" a necekat na > funkcnost pro uvolneni. Uvolneni alpha pro software znamena ze uzivatel slpha smaze a nainstaluje si novou verzi. U hardware je to ale draha sranda. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Feb 29 21:37:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Feb 29 21:37:38 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_Stav_v=FDvoje_Ronja_Twister?= In-Reply-To: <000b01c3ff0b$db2f7730$0103a8c0@thechosen>; from m.malusek@seznam.cz on Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:34:47PM +0100 References: <20040229183550.B1720@beton.cybernet.src><40423365.2030704@punjabcz.net><20040229184905.A2327@beton.cybernet.src><40423552.8040501@punjabcz.net> <20040229212158.B3345@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c3ff0b$db2f7730$0103a8c0@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040229213744.C3426@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:34:47PM +0100, m.malusek@seznam.cz wrote: > kdyz nekomu uz treba jede to bugy AUI nebo TP ma cenu to pak treba nahradit > tim spravnym? kdyz sem mel pro stavbe "stesi" a jede to tak je to asi > zbytecne, ze? Je zde urcite riziko ze to bude blbnout pri teplotnich extremech, ale v zasade nema cenu to vymenovat. Teprv asi az kdyby to blbnulo. Cl< From punjab at punjabcz.net Sun Feb 29 21:47:58 2004 From: punjab at punjabcz.net (punjab) Date: Sun Feb 29 21:48:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Stav =?ISO-8859-1?Q?v=FDvoje_Ronja_Twister?= In-Reply-To: <20040229213542.B3426@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040229183550.B1720@beton.cybernet.src> <40423365.2030704@punjabcz.net> <20040229184905.A2327@beton.cybernet.src> <40423552.8040501@punjabcz.net> <20040229212158.B3345@beton.cybernet.src> <40425933.9050907@punjabcz.net> <20040229213542.B3426@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40425E0E.70508@punjabcz.net> Rozumim, ale nekdo to ma jako konicek. Podivam se ze vysla nova alpha - navrh spoju. Zrealizuji je a ty zatim take. Spolecne se pak muzete podelit o informace, odlisne chovani a je realnejsi moznost dojit k reseni problemu. Myslim, ze se nalezne nekolik lidi, kteri takto mohou vyvoj podporit. Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Uvolneni alpha pro software znamena ze uzivatel slpha smaze a nainstaluje > >si novou verzi. > >U hardware je to ale draha sranda. > >Cl< > >