From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 1 17:26:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 1 17:26:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Stabilizator a piny pro prepinace In-Reply-To: <200411191202.iAJC2Ke11339@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz> References: <200411191202.iAJC2Ke11339@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz> Message-ID: <20041201172618.GA20442@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 01:00:18PM +0100, Jaroslav Stodola - M?? Chrudim wrote: > Dobry den, > Rad bych ze zeptal na par v?ci - > - Nechal jsem si zhotovit a osadit twistera (dle twister.zip revize > 20040408) a kondiky, kter? jsou na webu u stabilizatoru (obr. eb4) mam u > konektoru ke stabilizatoru (tedy pokud to jsou oni :-) - viz deska.jpg) , je > to tak spravne? No, it isn't. Take another pair of 10n and solder it across the pins of 7805. > > - Nastaveni prepinacu bych radeji udelal primo natvrdo p?es zkratovaci > switche, nez p?es polohovaci prepinace. (Nav?c bude twister pripojen k > manag.switchi, kter? umi nastavovat i crossing. > Muzete mi, k tomu, pls, poslat nejaky vzor zapojeni tech pinu, (viz > deska.jpg), p?es obrazky na webu se v tom, kde se co krizi nemuzu nejak > vyznat. (t?eba to tam je nekde polopaticky, ale ja si toho nevsiml.) On your request I have made a comprehensible drawing: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/jumpers.png It is a part of the guide now: http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php > > - mam revizi 20040408, je potreba ten bug nejak vyskrabnout a proletovat > nebo to nem? V?BEC zadny vliv na vlastnosti spoje? No influence on the performance has been observed. Nevertheless fix it. Nothing should be scratched over, just soldered together. > Ted jsem koukal do twister.zip na webu, je tam verze z 4.11.2004. Bude nutne > zadavat vyrobci nova data pro vyrobu nebo postaci jiz zpracovana (a draze > zaplacena ;-)) verze 20040408? The date on twister.zip is not important. Important is the version in README and twister.pcb and twister.ps etc. The README and README.CZ had it's version obsolete. I fixed it a moment ago. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 1 18:20:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:20:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <200411121259.29656.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> <200411101255.24250.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200411121249.26338.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200411121259.29656.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20041201182033.GA9913@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 12:59:29PM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Dne p? 12. listopadu 2004 12:49 Petr Zapadlo napsal(a): > > Posilam fotku provedeni nahrady oscilatoru a schematko > > > > http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/osc > > http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM4443 > > Doplnuji: > http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM4437 Vypada to, ze tam je i nejaka instalace. Muzu se zeptat, kde to bezi, jake jsou technicke parametry atd. a jestli to muzu zaradit do galerie instalaci? Cl< > > > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 1 18:23:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:23:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Rozdiel medzi F4000 a E4000 In-Reply-To: <41A1B1D4.4070702@host.sk> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041123153155.00a14ec0@mail.net22.cz> <41A1B1D4.4070702@host.sk> Message-ID: <20041201182346.GA9938@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 10:31:00AM +0100, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Ako rozoznam, ci mam v ruke E4000 alebo F4000 ? You can't. Only measure luminous output using special expensive and complicated instrumentation. You have to see the official invoice with the exact type indicated to be sure. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 1 18:24:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:24:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 svice In-Reply-To: <20041122110316Z1305799-7219+206188@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20041122110316Z1305799-7219+206188@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20041201182455.GB9938@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 12:03:10PM +0100, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > asi hodnekrat zodpovezeny dotaz,ale prece, > > pojede twistr mezi dvema obyc svicema? aspon HD Yes, it will work. At least half duplex if both of them can't be set to 10Mbps full duplex manually. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 1 21:04:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:05:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <001e01c4d154$f9a64ce0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> <776345e79c580b6d5eac45338936580d@www3.mail.volny.cz> <001e01c4d154$f9a64ce0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041201210457.GA10532@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 01:07:16PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > > > A pro ty co jsou v CZF je tad vysledek: > > > http://10.27.73.13/ronja.htm > > > > > Muzes prosim dat nekam screenshoty pro > > zajemce mimo CZF? > > > Taky bych to rad v Zatci videl.... These 10.27 addresses are absolutely unnecessary. Everyone can have ipv6 public address. This is my startup script that configures ipv6: /sbin/iptunnel add xs26-0 local 192.168.3.2 remote 62.24.64.27 ttl 64 mode sit /sbin/ifconfig xs26-0 up /sbin/ifconfig eth3 add 3ffe:80ee:17fe::1/128 /sbin/route -A inet6 add 2000::/3 dev xs26-0 As you can see, it's fairly simple. And you get 48 bit address space for free (that's as much addresses as 65536 whole IPv4 Internets). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 1 21:20:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:20:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Question on AUI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041201212038.GB10532@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 09:35:20PM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: Please don't write e-mails without body with text in attachment. 1) The two rings are cable shielding. I have just connected them for it to be clear to everyone. 2) Then pins 5 and 9 are unconnected. 3) Some capacitors sweat and they do even when soldering very carefully. That isn't harmful. IC's are designed to withstand high temperature for a couple of seconds. If the solder refuses to adhere properly, do not heat for them for too long. Instead, let them cool down a bit and try again then. 4) I don't have much problems soldering on the shell of Canon connector. Maybe you have some old oxidized piece, or low-quality one. Use soldering fluid (it's basically Zn in HCl). With soldering fluid, you can soldere even on baer iron, so that it should work also on an oxidized Canon connector. Cl< > > > > > _____ > > From: LOO SHI CHANG [mailto:looshichang@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:34 AM > To: clock@twibright.com > Cc: looshichang@gmail.com > Subject: > > > > Hi, > > 1.) I have question on the AUI that the wire (in white rectangular box) > shown below where should it be connected to? > > > > > > > > And also the left side there is also the other circle to ground, what should > I do with it? > > > > 2.) What should the pin 5 and pin 9 (in white rectangular box) shown > below connect to? > > > > > > > > 3.) When soldering, does the ICs will burnt due to the high temperature? > Coz I found that my Capacitor did happen to 'sweat' when I solder on it too > long. Does this will also happen to other components that will spoilt > it(except resistor)? > > > > 4.) For the Canon connector, I realize that when soldering, the lead hardly > able to solder on it, when taking too long on that particular area, there > will be 1 layer that started to melt. > > > > Thanks for reply. > > Regards, > > Looshichang > From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 1 21:24:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:24:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <1308459420.20041123202316@volny.cz> References: <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> <41A33ABB.3494.168316@localhost> <1308459420.20041123202316@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041201212450.GA10999@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 08:23:16PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj, > moje zkusenost je, ze se to nehejbe. Proste nevsiml jsem si, ze by se > RSSI nejak zmenilo podle toku dat. > Jestli tam nejaka zmena je, tak tak do 50mV a to jeste si nechavam > dost rezervu :-) > Proste na grafech se to neprojevi. > Stejne tak jsem na grafech nepozoroval, ze by se hejbaly baraky... What's your maximum network load (sustained transfer speed) that occurs? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 1 21:26:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:26:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <785310619.20041123202736@volny.cz> References: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> <776345e79c580b6d5eac45338936580d@www3.mail.volny.cz> <785310619.20041123202736@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041201212630.GB10999@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 08:27:36PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Jo, > posledni obrazky jsem nahral na > http://www.volny.cz/boza1/ > neumim udelat, aby se to tam kopirovalo stale a automaticky, tak > alespon takhle na ukazku. The webserver returns bogus content-type: http://www.volny.cz/boza1/graph-15m.png this is GIF and c-t: is png. I don't know what access method you use but suggest man rsync :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 1 21:30:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:30:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] first-timer's TX mistery In-Reply-To: <466469357.20041124134155@fonoc.net> References: <466469357.20041124134155@fonoc.net> Message-ID: <20041201213001.GD10999@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 01:41:55PM +0100, Slobodan wrote: > Hello Twibright, > > I've build my first ronja (pcb twister airwire tx/rx). > On first test I've got these values on TX: Please include also the nominal values, I don't have time to look them up. > > all measured DC.. > P1=0.00V > P2=3.42V > P3=2.75V > P4=3.50V > P5=2.74V > P6=4.45V > > P8=4.9V > P9=12.5V > > > > on RSSI (RX) I get about 70mV without twister connected to PC and 800-900mV > when I point tv remote control into RX > > > can someone give me a hint what to check? And what's the problem? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 1 21:45:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:45:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister a 16MHz oscilator In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A98D@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A98D@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20041201214559.GA11214@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 25, 2004 at 08:33:32AM +0100, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Ahoj, > > Potrebuju jednu rychlou odpoved. Poslal > jsem kamose do GM pro 16MHz oscilator a on > mi ho prinesl. Ale meli ho ve dvou provedenich > a vzal ten mensi. Muzu ho normalne pouzit > (s tim, ze ho na tistaku priletuju na dratky? > Ma stejnou orientaci vyvodu? Yes you can. Be sure it's an oscillator and not just a crystal. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 1 21:50:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:50:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister In-Reply-To: <2199.172.31.16.115.1101368901.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <2199.172.31.16.115.1101368901.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20041201215000.GB11214@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 25, 2004 at 02:48:21PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > > Hello all, > > Is it okay to have UTP cable between PC and Twister exceeds 1 metres? Why > or Why not? It was designed this way. If you make it longer and it will have problems due to this, your problems won't be solved as support. > > We use something closer to 2 metres and it does not seem to send any > signal out while pinging. It's unprobable it's due to it. People have reported for example 8 meters, I think probably much more but don't remember for sure. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 07:50:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 07:50:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041202075020.GA2856@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 09:29:22AM +0100, Silvije wrote: > > Hi! > > Has anyone noticed or tried to measure amount of RF interference of > Twister's UTP cable??? > > > I have small pocket autoscanning FM radio which gets a lot of interference > from even few meters from interface. It is more noticable when packets are > going through interface. This may also be interference from the network card or computer itself. Is the computer case in place? Are all screws in place and properly tightened? Consumer-grade case, even when closed properly, are often bad shields. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 07:51:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 07:51:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister In-Reply-To: <001801c4d3bb$b6e0d6f0$4a101fac@ton> References: <2199.172.31.16.115.1101368901.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> <000b01c4d2c4$b6763680$0103450a@thechosen> <001801c4d3bb$b6e0d6f0$4a101fac@ton> Message-ID: <20041202075129.GB2856@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 08:27:45PM +0700, phanumas khumsat wrote: > Thanks, > > That means I really have a serious problem with my system. > Any ideas what is the most possible cause that there is no signal coming out > from Tx+, Tx- pins from the UTP when running 'ping' command? Did you test it according to the guide? Where did you encounter first problem? Did you do anything differently from the guide? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 07:53:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 07:53:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister In-Reply-To: <1101501741.41a7952de99cf@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <1101501741.41a7952de99cf@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20041202075305.GC2856@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 09:42:21PM +0100, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > It seems it comes from coaxial cables connecting interface and TX,RX modules. I tried placing a radio directly on the pair of coaxial cables and tuning all ranges both with and without network traffic. Didn't find anything just white noise. Why do you think an interference is coming from the coaxial cable pair? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 07:56:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 07:56:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Testovani spoje pouze na jednom PC In-Reply-To: <41A832D9.70804@katka.biz> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <41597B2B.2050709@katka.biz> <4159C44B.3020607@gybon.cz> <4159E305.7070608@hoidekr.net> <415A607E.4050305@gybon.cz> <20041126214346.GB10516@beton.cybernet.src> <41A832D9.70804@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20041202075648.GD2856@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 08:55:05AM +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > ahoj, > Z toho knoppixoveho vychazel puvodne test na jednom pocitaci. Bohuzel se > asi behem uprav zmeny vytratili a ja sem na to zapomel a testy sloucil. > Omlouvam se za chybu. Pokud je treba napravim ji. Uz jsem ti clocku > kdysi psal, jestli mi posles zdroje tech .php stranek testovani protoze > ty co sem posilal mi tu nekam zmizli... Stahni si kompletni strom - tady je napsany, jak se to dela: http://ronja.twibright.com/editing.php Potrebujes akorat nainstalovat GNU Arch. Vzhledem k tomu ze to je obycejny textovy program tak by mel chodit i pod cygwin bez extra dalsich udelatek. Pak si budes moct i vystavit svou lokalni kopii na sveho Apache s PHP (jestli nejakeho mas) a rovnou se koukat, jak vysledek Tve prace vypada online. > > Nevim proc vy se nemohly pouzivat dvojite uvozovky do , > .... V pripade pouziti krkolomnych kombinaci Ty se prave maj pouzivat. Nemaj se pouzivat zrejme jednoduchy. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 08:00:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:00:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] What might be wrong here ? In-Reply-To: <1154.217.26.66.75.1101549975.squirrel@www.fonoc.net> References: <41595127.5030707@gybon.cz> <20041126214346.GB10516@beton.cybernet.src> <1154.217.26.66.75.1101549975.squirrel@www.fonoc.net> Message-ID: <20041202080032.GE2856@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 11:06:15AM +0100, spider@fonoc.net wrote: > Hello Twibright, > > I've made 2 pcb twisters, 2 airwire tx, 2 airwire rx, 1 pcb tx, 1 > pcb rx, so I can measure difference and so on... > > I started testing with trying to get loopback to give me double There are 4 possibilities what kind of loopback it can be. Please tell details. > pings in tcpdump and I failed !? ok.. maybe it's problem because i > tested with knoppix and some stupid d-link nic... i'll try on some Was the d-link auto mdi/mdx? > 'real' linux with 3com nic... > any sugestions here ? > > then I powered up one and another twister... each one uses 175mA > when not connected to PC or rx/tx :) (this point seems to be ok) > > then I connected rx/tx to twister and between then with con12/gnd.. > everything uses about 240-250m... > notice* I tried pcb/airwire tx/rx and results are the same... > > so, I measured P points on rx/tx and I've got following: Please include also the should-be values. > > > RX: > P110 = 12.6V > P101 = 11.7V > P102 = 3.5V > P103 = 0V > P104 = 5.3V > P105 = 5.8V > P106 = 5.62V > P107 = 1.1-1.8V (!?!?) > P108 = 11.2V > P109 = 4.5V > > TX: > P2 = 4.95V > P3 = 4.42V > P4 = 4.97V > P5 = 10.23V > P6 = 4.51V > P7 = (should I insert ampermeter IN point P7 or just measure P7/gnd ?) > P8 = 5.0V > P9 = 12.5V > > any sugestions what to check ? > > when PC connected to twister and ping 192.168.1.2 -s 5000 red led > gets blinking.... but transmitter diode doesn't shine at all. You probably aren't getting signal from Twister to TX. > > what initiates trasmiter HPWT diode ? should it shine always ? Yes. > why it doesn't shine at me ? and how to make it shine ? :) By fixing the whole thing :) > > note once again... all 3 transmitters and receivers act SAME (no > matter pcb/airwire). So the problem is probably in Twister. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 08:06:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:06:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041202080625.GA2968@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 05:58:25PM +0100, Ji?? Kobil?k wrote: > Ahoj, > > mam dotaz, jakou pouzit v Twisterovi civku. V navodu se pise 10 > z?vit? na pr?m?ru 8mm, ale z jakyho dratu? Podle obrazku jsem si "Make from insulated copper wire of 0.5mm^2...1mm^2 crosssection." http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material.php Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 08:06:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:06:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041202080659.GB2968@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 07:07:53PM +0100, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > No a proc tam nepouzit tlumivku? Because they are made from thin wire that burns over when an accidental short circuit occurs. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 08:07:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:07:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister In-Reply-To: <3178.1101717142@www52.gmx.net> References: <20041126120006.3306gmx1@mx052.gmx.net> <3178.1101717142@www52.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20041202080745.GC2968@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:32:22AM +0100, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > > Why dont you use Shielded Twisted Pair Kable. > (and connect the Shield with Ground of Ronja Twister) > ?!? Have you ever seen a STP? What does the shield look like? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 08:08:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:08:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A9B7@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A9B7@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20041202080806.GD2968@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:41:04AM +0100, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Ahoj > > Pres vikend jsem rozjel 2 twistery a vypadaji, ze funguji. > Mam ale civku z dratu 1.5mm^2 - nebude v tom treba casem > problem? No. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 08:09:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:09:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: <41AB0171.9050102@hkfree.org> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A9B7@vestex01.vest.corp> <014f01c4d5ef$e08180a0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> <41AB0171.9050102@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20041202080957.GE2968@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 12:01:05PM +0100, Cool Explosion wrote: > Kendy napsal(a): > > >Ta civka slouzi jako tlumivka, v prumeru dratu bych problem nevidel, jen > >jestli se ti to vejde do krabicky. > > > > > > > > Lze tu civku z dratku nahradit necim jinym??? See http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material_cz.php very bottom Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 08:16:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:16:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kompatibilita twisteru s AUI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041202081626.GA3142@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 12:09:34AM +0100, Pepa Kohout wrote: > Ahoj, > > predem se omlouvam za blby dotaz... > > Momentalne provozuju Ronju na jednom konci s 3C590 AUI v PC a na druhe strane > je na AUI interfejsu nabastleny TP transceiver. Problem je, ze potrebuji How is the TP transceiver attached to AUI? According to FAQ ?: http://ronja.twibright.com/faq.php http://ronja.twibright.com/nicolas_desir/ronja-utp.png > nahradit AUI sitovku AP wifinou, takze jsem zkusil naprat TP transceiver na > obe strany ale ouha, collision a konec. > > Muj dotaz tedy zni: bude fungovat kombinace Twister na jedne strane Ronji a > AUI/TP transceiver na druhe strane? Na obou stranach budou 10/100 huby. Nejde If the transceiver if according to FAQ (two transceivers per AUI actually), then yes. It should work even with 10/100 hubs. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 2 08:18:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:17:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <710abf8b8d514c2691520229110f64fe@atlas.sk> References: <710abf8b8d514c2691520229110f64fe@atlas.sk> Message-ID: <20041202081801.GB3142@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:39:07PM +0100, tomtom@atlas.sk wrote: > Ahojte! > Prosim Vas kto ma na predaj PLOSNE SPOJE na TWISTER k ronji?? > Kupim na cene sa dohodneme. http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/GettingRonjaHardware You can get here from Ronja title page by clicking on "Where to get necessary parts". Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Dec 2 08:36:32 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:34:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <20041201182033.GA9913@beton.cybernet.src> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> <200411121259.29656.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20041201182033.GA9913@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200412020936.32254.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > Vypada to, ze tam je i nejaka instalace. Muzu se zeptat, kde to bezi, > jake jsou technicke parametry atd. a jestli to muzu zaradit do galerie > instalaci? Je to v Lipniku nad Becvou, paterni spoj od delce cca 600m pro ISP Mitranet. Cocky 13cm, plastove tubusy, jinak mechanika celkem std. Na vstupu SFH2030, Tx E4000, RSSI 2.6V a 3V bez provozu. Zarad to klidne do galerie. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From polous at katka.biz Thu Dec 2 08:47:18 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:46:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: <20041202080659.GB2968@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041202080659.GB2968@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41AED696.9060301@katka.biz> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 07:07:53PM +0100, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > > >>No a proc tam nepouzit tlumivku? >> >> > >Because they are made from thin wire that burns over when an accidental >short circuit occurs. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > I think, this should be positive property in some cases. But man must be carefull and check coil attributes (like resistance). I didn't test it and it takes a long time to find out this bug. Later, I place there a wire from utp cable rolled on 8mm drill and it works fine. p0l0us From kendy at hkfree.org Thu Dec 2 09:11:14 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Thu Dec 2 09:11:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka References: <20041202080659.GB2968@beton.cybernet.src> <41AED696.9060301@katka.biz> Message-ID: <009e01c4d84e$e0a3dae0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Ja sem se docetl nekde ve starsim Maillistu, ze jeden clovek tam mel tlumivky, ale ty mely takovy ohmicky odpor, ze na konci RX-ka na tom odporu u diody mel jen 10V, cestou se ztracely 2V. Bylo to tlumivkama a po jejich vymene za namotany drat tam mel tech necelych 12V. Kendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 07:07:53PM +0100, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > > > > > >>No a proc tam nepouzit tlumivku? > >> > >> > > > >Because they are made from thin wire that burns over when an accidental > >short circuit occurs. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > I think, this should be positive property in some cases. But man must be > carefull and check coil attributes (like resistance). I didn't test it > and it takes a long time to find out this bug. Later, I place there a > wire from utp cable rolled on 8mm drill and it works fine. > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Thu Dec 2 10:43:47 2004 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:44:00 2004 Subject: =?tis-620?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0UTP=A0distance=A0from=A0PC=A0to=A0Twister?= In-Reply-To: <20041202075129.GB2856@beton.cybernet.src> References: <2199.172.31.16.115.1101368901.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th><000b01c4d2c4$b6763680$0103450a@thechosen><001801c4d3bb$b6e0d6f0$4a101fac@ton> <20041202075129.GB2856@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <51279.203.148.138.67.1101984227.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> We have tested Tx, Rx and Twister by using 10MHz signal from a signal generator and everything seems to be fine (LEDs, signal, etc.). But nothing really happened when we connected UTP from LAN card (came with motherboard) to Twister, there seems to be no signal coming in. That's why we have a serious doubt with our UTP and LAN card, however, we have previously tested the link by connecting UTP between two PCs and there is no problem. You wrote Karel KulhavyThank you > On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 08:27:45PM +0700, phanumas khumsat wrote: >> Thanks, >> >> That means I really have a serious problem with my system. >> Any ideas what is the most possible cause that there is no signal coming >> out >> from Tx+, Tx- pins from the UTP when running 'ping' command? > > Did you test it according to the guide? Where did you encounter first > problem? Did you do anything differently from the guide? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From dzini at naex.sk Thu Dec 2 12:22:25 2004 From: dzini at naex.sk (Miroslav Madzin) Date: Thu Dec 2 12:25:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sosovky na trhovisku v Prahe In-Reply-To: <20041202075329.1AD722DE1DC@mailhub2.slovanet.net> References: <20041202075329.1AD722DE1DC@mailhub2.slovanet.net> Message-ID: <1101990145.41af0901e466e@webmailer.sk> bol som v prahe na trhovisku a hladal som tam toho sikmookeho, co ma predavat tie lupy, a podla toho navodu co je na TWIKI som ho nenasiel. mohol by mi prosim niekto, kto tam bol v poslednej dobe, povedat ako a kde ho najdem. dik s pozdravom Mirko From bobriks at volny.cz Thu Dec 2 13:19:02 2004 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:19:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <20041201210457.GA10532@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> <776345e79c580b6d5eac45338936580d@www3.mail.volny.cz> <001e01c4d154$f9a64ce0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041201210457.GA10532@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <6819977d20bff16d524cfb043e687f00@www2.mail.volny.cz> > /sbin/iptunnel add xs26-0 local 192.168.3.2 remote 62.24.64.27 ttl 64 mode sit > /sbin/ifconfig xs26-0 up > /sbin/ifconfig eth3 add 3ffe:80ee:17fe::1/128 > /sbin/route -A inet6 add 2000::/3 dev xs26-0 http://62.24.64.27 works pretty nice ;) Please, what are thu rules to choose remote ipv4 and ipv6 addresses? Thx, Standa -- A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Thu Dec 2 14:28:06 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Thu Dec 2 14:28:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sosovky na trhovisku v Prahe In-Reply-To: <1101990145.41af0901e466e@webmailer.sk> References: <20041202075329.1AD722DE1DC@mailhub2.slovanet.net> <1101990145.41af0901e466e@webmailer.sk> Message-ID: No ono je to celkem jedno, protoze maji vsichni skoro stejny sortiment-hodinky lupy obleceni zapalovace ROOTen On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:22:25 +0100, Miroslav Madzin wrote: > bol som v prahe na trhovisku a hladal som tam toho sikmookeho, co ma > predavat > tie lupy, a podla toho navodu co je na TWIKI som ho nenasiel. mohol by mi > prosim niekto, kto tam bol v poslednej dobe, povedat ako a kde ho najdem. > dik > > s pozdravom Mirko > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Thu Dec 2 15:51:14 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Thu Dec 2 16:01:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP cable interference Message-ID: Well, If I disconect interface and connect PC to another PC via cable directly, I dont pickup any interference any more, so I guess that is interface which produces interference. Or that piece of utp cable which is connected to interface... Anyway I compared Twister and my miniTP interface and it seems that Clock's Twister produces slightly less interference than my interface but anyway if someone is interested miniTP schem can be downloaded at www.silvije.tk It is not better than Twister but it is more simple, easier to assemble because it has less parts and cheaper therefore I believe. Anyway it is GPL free technology :) Be well, Silvije From polous at katka.biz Thu Dec 2 18:10:59 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Dec 2 18:10:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER - civka In-Reply-To: <009e01c4d84e$e0a3dae0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> References: <20041202080659.GB2968@beton.cybernet.src> <41AED696.9060301@katka.biz> <009e01c4d84e$e0a3dae0$6f01a8c0@agi.hk> Message-ID: <41AF5AB3.808@katka.biz> Kendy wrote: >Ja sem se docetl nekde ve starsim Maillistu, ze jeden clovek tam mel >tlumivky, ale ty mely takovy ohmicky odpor, ze na konci RX-ka na tom odporu >u diody mel jen 10V, cestou se ztracely 2V. Bylo to tlumivkama a po jejich >vymene za namotany drat tam mel tech necelych 12V. > > > to sem byl pravdepodobne ja From dzini at naex.sk Thu Dec 2 18:14:37 2004 From: dzini at naex.sk (Miroslav Madzin) Date: Thu Dec 2 18:17:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sosovky na trhovisku v Prahe Message-ID: <1102011277.41af5b8d60447@webmailer.sk> >No ono je to celkem jedno, protoze maji vsichni skoro stejny >sortiment-hodinky lupy obleceni zapalovace > >ROOTen to znamena, ze dojdem k hociktoremu stanku, kde je sikmooky a poviem mu, = ze chcem lupy a ked nebude mat, tak pojdem k inemu? a kolko je tam asi stankov v ktorych to maju, a nevies ake maju tie sosov= ky zvacsenie? a este by som sa chcel spytat, ze ci su tam ti sikmooki aj cez vikend. vdaka s pozdravom Mirko From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Dec 2 22:07:25 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Dec 2 22:07:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sosovky na trhovisku v Prahe In-Reply-To: <1102011277.41af5b8d60447@webmailer.sk> References: <1102011277.41af5b8d60447@webmailer.sk> Message-ID: <861603040.20041202230725@volny.cz> Trznice v Praze, vystoupis z tramvaje jednu stanici za Vltavskou, prejdes silnici a hned vedle McDonalda vlezes branou do trznice. Ujdes 4 kroky od brany smerem vpred, udelas vpravo vbok a po cca. 7 krocich narazis do stanku, kde ty lupy maji naprosto vzdy. Kroky sice jen odhaduju, ale myslim ze to bude sedet. Ondra >>No ono je to celkem jedno, protoze maji vsichni skoro stejny >>sortiment-hodinky lupy obleceni zapalovace >> >>ROOTen MM> to znamena, ze dojdem k hociktoremu stanku, kde je sikmooky a poviem mu, ze MM> chcem lupy a ked nebude mat, tak pojdem k inemu? MM> a kolko je tam asi stankov v ktorych to maju, a nevies ake maju tie sosovky MM> zvacsenie? MM> a este by som sa chcel spytat, ze ci su tam ti sikmooki aj cez vikend. MM> vdaka MM> s pozdravom Mirko MM> _______________________________________________ MM> Ronja mailing list MM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Fri Dec 3 06:13:06 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Fri Dec 3 06:13:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sosovky na trhovisku v Prahe In-Reply-To: <1102011277.41af5b8d60447@webmailer.sk> References: <1102011277.41af5b8d60447@webmailer.sk> Message-ID: Cocky tam maji snad jenom jeden druh (ronja compatible) a saigoni tam sou vzdycky (i v noci;) ROOTen On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:14:37 +0100, Miroslav Madzin wrote: >> No ono je to celkem jedno, protoze maji vsichni skoro stejny >> sortiment-hodinky lupy obleceni zapalovace >> >> ROOTen > > to znamena, ze dojdem k hociktoremu stanku, kde je sikmooky a poviem mu, > ze > chcem lupy a ked nebude mat, tak pojdem k inemu? > a kolko je tam asi stankov v ktorych to maju, a nevies ake maju tie > sosovky > zvacsenie? > a este by som sa chcel spytat, ze ci su tam ti sikmooki aj cez vikend. > vdaka > > s pozdravom Mirko > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From espace at atlas.cz Fri Dec 3 08:19:03 2004 From: espace at atlas.cz (Pepa Kohout) Date: Fri Dec 3 08:19:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kompatibilita twisteru s AUI Message-ID: <8d1ee873793f44538e0dd3dc7cdfef62@atlas.cz> >On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 12:09:34AM +0100, Pepa Kohout wrote: >> Ahoj, >> >> predem se omlouvam za blby dotaz... >> >> Momentalne provozuju Ronju na jednom konci s 3C590 AUI v PC a na druhe strane >> je na AUI interfejsu nabastleny TP transceiver. Problem je, ze potrebuji > >How is the TP transceiver attached to AUI? According to FAQ ?: >http://ronja.twibright.com/faq.php >http://ronja.twibright.com/nicolas_desir/ronja-utp.png Nee, pouzivam special hack :-), kdy jsem na AUI kabel z Ronji naletoval misto samce samici, prekrizil RX a TX, zapichnul do AUI/TP transceiveru ktery se mi valel doma a privedl na nej zvenku 12V pro napajeni Ronji a TP transceiveru. Dva roky to chodilo OK, ale na jednom konci spoje musela byt ta 3Com sitovka s AUI. Ted potrebuju tuhle stranu predelat na TP, uz jsem objednal plosnak na twister, doufam ze bude stacit na jedne strane a na druhe zachovam ten TP transceiver... ?! Venca From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Dec 3 16:05:33 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Dec 3 16:05:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sosovky na trhovisku v Prahe References: <1102011277.41af5b8d60447@webmailer.sk> Message-ID: <001101c4d951$edae0680$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miroslav Madzin" To: Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: [Ronja] sosovky na trhovisku v Prahe > >No ono je to celkem jedno, protoze maji vsichni skoro stejny > >sortiment-hodinky lupy obleceni zapalovace > > > >ROOTen > > to znamena, ze dojdem k hociktoremu stanku, kde je sikmooky a poviem mu, ze > chcem lupy a ked nebude mat, tak pojdem k inemu? > a kolko je tam asi stankov v ktorych to maju, a nevies ake maju tie sosovky > zvacsenie? > a este by som sa chcel spytat, ze ci su tam ti sikmooki aj cez vikend. > vdaka > > s pozdravom Mirko Asi tak nejak. Muzes mu jeste rici " Donghi lo bien viied bjo ? " A az ti je bude ukazovat, tak si vyber. -=RYS=- > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From mixaj at mymail.cz Fri Dec 3 18:01:00 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Fri Dec 3 18:00:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sosovky na trhovisku v Prahe References: <1102011277.41af5b8d60447@webmailer.sk> <001101c4d951$edae0680$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <000c01c4d962$0d414420$d203a8c0@diablo> > > > >No ono je to celkem jedno, protoze maji vsichni skoro stejny > > >sortiment-hodinky lupy obleceni zapalovace > > > > > >ROOTen > > > > to znamena, ze dojdem k hociktoremu stanku, kde je sikmooky a poviem mu, > ze > > chcem lupy a ked nebude mat, tak pojdem k inemu? > > a kolko je tam asi stankov v ktorych to maju, a nevies ake maju tie > sosovky > > zvacsenie? > > a este by som sa chcel spytat, ze ci su tam ti sikmooki aj cez vikend. > > vdaka > > > > s pozdravom Mirko > > Asi tak nejak. Muzes mu jeste rici " Donghi lo bien viied bjo ? " > A az ti je bude ukazovat, tak si vyber. > A co to nahrat do WAVu ??? Mylsim, ze ne vsichni ovladaji skomolelcinu :))) > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Dec 3 20:30:31 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Dec 3 20:30:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] sosovky na trhovisku v Prahe References: <1102011277.41af5b8d60447@webmailer.sk> <001101c4d951$edae0680$0101a8c0@cz> <000c01c4d962$0d414420$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <000801c4d976$ef610de0$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslav Mixa" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] sosovky na trhovisku v Prahe > > > > > > >No ono je to celkem jedno, protoze maji vsichni skoro stejny > > > >sortiment-hodinky lupy obleceni zapalovace > > > > > > > >ROOTen > > > > > > to znamena, ze dojdem k hociktoremu stanku, kde je sikmooky a poviem mu, > > ze > > > chcem lupy a ked nebude mat, tak pojdem k inemu? > > > a kolko je tam asi stankov v ktorych to maju, a nevies ake maju tie > > sosovky > > > zvacsenie? > > > a este by som sa chcel spytat, ze ci su tam ti sikmooki aj cez vikend. > > > vdaka > > > > > > s pozdravom > Mirko > > > > Asi tak nejak. Muzes mu jeste rici " Donghi lo bien viied bjo ? " > > A az ti je bude ukazovat, tak si vyber. > > > > A co to nahrat do WAVu ??? > Mylsim, ze ne vsichni ovladaji skomolelcinu :))) Napsal jsem to foneticky. Vietnamsky bys to nedokazal precist. -=RYS=- > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From coolex at hkfree.org Fri Dec 3 22:58:06 2004 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool Explosion) Date: Fri Dec 3 22:58:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 svice In-Reply-To: <41A2572A.7070000@kbx.cz> References: <20041122204626Z1304444-7222+221265@mail.centrum.cz> <41A2572A.7070000@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <41B0EF7E.4060304@hkfree.org> Jakub S?kora napsal(a): > Myslim, ze to neni vubec OT. Mozna je to trochu morbidni, ale kazdy z > teto konference by mel na svem hrobecku mit misto takoveho bastlu > Ronju :) A mozna by se pak dalo komunikovat i se zahrobim :))) > Tak to by potom ani nevadilo kdybch nekde slitnul ze strechy a dole se rozmaznul, :-D jelikoz bych mel mnohem vice casu na hledani nejakejch srandicek na internetu ;-) -- |=======================| | Cool-Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| |=======================| From clock at twibright.com Sat Dec 4 08:58:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Dec 4 08:58:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] The worst fog Message-ID: <20041204085832.GA2227@beton.cybernet.src> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2542315.stm Search for "2 feet". The visibility was 2 feet. That's about 25 000 dB/km attenuation! :) Cl< From spider at fonoc.net Mon Dec 6 08:31:24 2004 From: spider at fonoc.net (spider) Date: Mon Dec 6 08:31:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] The worst fog In-Reply-To: <20041204085832.GA2227@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041204085832.GA2227@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <168067680.20041206093124@fonoc.net> Hello Karel, Saturday, December 4, 2004, 9:58:32 AM, you wrote: KK> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2542315.stm KK> Search for "2 feet". KK> The visibility was 2 feet. That's about 25 000 dB/km attenuation! :) a year ago i was in fog like that... i couldn't see my shoes! :) -- Best regards, spider mailto:spider@fonoc.net From Funky at seznam.cz Mon Dec 6 09:31:58 2004 From: Funky at seznam.cz (Funky) Date: Mon Dec 6 09:32:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead distance issue Message-ID: <1185.1526-21574-591424762-1102325518@seznam.cz> Hi, Is it possible to run ronja dualhead 2x130mm at distance of 2.25 km without wi-fi backup ? According to visibility graph zero packetloss is guranteed up to 1.7 km. How much instable connection should I expect ? I suppose there will be some packetloss, thought I don't have any idea how big. What is your opinion, how will it work ? thanks Jindrich "Funky" Pesak ____________________________________________________________ http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=80833 From hollari1 at gmx.at Mon Dec 6 10:24:44 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Mon Dec 6 10:24:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister References: <20041202104433.19230gmx1@mx047.gmx.net> Message-ID: <6189.1102328684@www12.gmx.net> Hi Clock ! Almost all TP Cables are Shielded nowadays. If they are not you cannot listen to a radio in some meters distance to the cable. On most cables you can read : UTP = Unshielded Twisted Pair STP = Shielded Twisted Pair. You can also see it from the Connectors (there is some metal around the platic-Connector) And this metal is connected to the shielding of the cable. So you can also measure the resistance !! I dont know the exact namings, but i think in CAT-5 and CAT-7 cables you even have one shield for each pair plus one complete shield for the whole cable. Regards, Sigi > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:07:45 +0000 > From: Karel Kulhavy > Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <20041202080745.GC2968@beton.cybernet.src> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:32:22AM +0100, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > > > > Why dont you use Shielded Twisted Pair Kable. > > (and connect the Shield with Ground of Ronja Twister) > > ?!? > > Have you ever seen a STP? What does the shield look like? > > Cl< -- GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++ From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Mon Dec 6 12:27:01 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Mon Dec 6 12:13:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister In-Reply-To: <6189.1102328684@www12.gmx.net> References: <20041202104433.19230gmx1@mx047.gmx.net> <6189.1102328684@www12.gmx.net> Message-ID: <41B45015.9080704@jkl.darktech.org> Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > Almost all TP Cables are Shielded nowadays. > If they are not you cannot listen to a radio > in some meters distance to the cable. Sorry but i think it's not true. Allmost every twisted pair cable i can see on daily basis is UTP, even for gigabit LANs. I am working in building with probably 600+ interconnected computers and there are only 3-4 STP cables. :) And yes, i can listen to a radio. I know some other 'large' LANs in Czech rep. and no one seems to be using shielded cables except for some rare cases. > On most cables you can read : > UTP = Unshielded Twisted Pair > STP = Shielded Twisted Pair. > Yes, one can buy STP cable in near computer shop, but STP in real instalations is rare beast. Kind regards, Jan From shamanu8 at web.de Mon Dec 6 12:30:55 2004 From: shamanu8 at web.de (shamanu8@web.de) Date: Mon Dec 6 12:30:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister In-Reply-To: <6189.1102328684@www12.gmx.net> References: <20041202104433.19230gmx1@mx047.gmx.net> <6189.1102328684@www12.gmx.net> Message-ID: <4188CF6C.1010605@web.de> Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: >Hi Clock ! > >Almost all TP Cables are Shielded nowadays. > > in northamerika unshilded cables are also common. >If they are not you cannot listen to a radio >in some meters distance to the cable. > > > a radio is a receiver. he wouldn't produce enought electro-smog. >On most cables you can read : >UTP = Unshielded Twisted Pair >STP = Shielded Twisted Pair. > >You can also see it from the Connectors >(there is some metal around the platic-Connector) > >And this metal is connected to the shielding >of the cable. So you can also measure the resistance !! > >I dont know the exact namings, but i think >in CAT-5 and CAT-7 cables you even have one >shield for each pair plus one complete shield for >the whole cable. > >Regards, Sigi > > > > cat-5 could be shilded or not. there are different standards: EN50173 - DIN 44312-5 - ISO/IEC11801 if a cabel only have EN standard, it could be labled already with cat-5. cat-7 has yet no fixed standard in germany. in switzerland they got already a standard for cat7... don't know the other countries. >>Message: 5 >>Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:07:45 +0000 >>From: Karel Kulhavy >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister >>To: Twibright Ronja >>Message-ID: <20041202080745.GC2968@beton.cybernet.src> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >>On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:32:22AM +0100, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: >> >> >>>Why dont you use Shielded Twisted Pair Kable. >>>(and connect the Shield with Ground of Ronja Twister) >>>?!? >>> >>> >>Have you ever seen a STP? What does the shield look like? >> >>Cl< >> >> > > > From shamanu8 at web.de Mon Dec 6 12:36:21 2004 From: shamanu8 at web.de (shamanu8@web.de) Date: Mon Dec 6 12:36:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP distance from PC to Twister In-Reply-To: <41B45015.9080704@jkl.darktech.org> References: <20041202104433.19230gmx1@mx047.gmx.net> <6189.1102328684@www12.gmx.net> <41B45015.9080704@jkl.darktech.org> Message-ID: <4188D0A5.2080104@web.de> Jan Kleisner wrote: > Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > >> Almost all TP Cables are Shielded nowadays. >> If they are not you cannot listen to a radio >> in some meters distance to the cable. > > > Sorry but i think it's not true. Allmost every twisted pair cable i > can see on daily basis is UTP, even for gigabit LANs. > I am working in building with probably 600+ interconnected computers > and there are only 3-4 STP cables. :) And yes, i can listen to a > radio. I know some other 'large' LANs in Czech rep. and no one seems > to be using shielded cables except for some rare cases. > >> On most cables you can read : >> UTP = Unshielded Twisted Pair >> STP = Shielded Twisted Pair. >> > Yes, one can buy STP cable in near computer shop, but STP in real > instalations is rare beast. > depends where you live. in austria and germany you would hardly find a UTP cable in a normal computer shop. we got higher standards for interferences and so on. :) so STP are standard here. some times they are even double and higher shilded. > Kind regards, Jan > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Dec 6 13:16:19 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Dec 6 13:16:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead distance issue References: <1185.1526-21574-591424762-1102325518@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000c01c4db95$c7ab0320$0101a8c0@cz> Hello Jindra This i don't know. But i have tested on 2.1km 2x infra TX, In my opinion on web-site: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/ http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/foto/ You must observe instructions: 1) 2x TX 130mm, 1x RX 130mm 2) in TX change R11 8R2 onto 4R7 3) in TX change LED1 HPWT onto HSDL-4230 4) in RX change PD101 BPW43 onto SFH2030F -=RYS=- Martin OK1MJO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Funky" To: Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead distance issue > Hi, > > Is it possible to run ronja dualhead 2x130mm at distance of 2.25 km without wi-fi backup ? According to visibility graph zero packetloss is guranteed up to 1.7 km. How much instable connection should I expect ? I suppose there will be some packetloss, thought I don't have any idea how big. What is your opinion, how will it work ? > > thanks > > Jindrich "Funky" Pesak > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=80833 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From kubajz at kbx.cz Mon Dec 6 13:41:57 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jakub_S=FDkora?=) Date: Mon Dec 6 13:42:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 2 svice In-Reply-To: <41B0EF7E.4060304@hkfree.org> References: <20041122204626Z1304444-7222+221265@mail.centrum.cz> <41A2572A.7070000@kbx.cz> <41B0EF7E.4060304@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <41B461A5.2030903@kbx.cz> :) To bys nejspis musel taky uplatit mistniho hrobnika, aby ti povolil dat na marnici druhou cast spoje. Pak uz staci jen nejaky ISP, ale myslim, ze pokud by se zalozilo o.s. mrtvych osob, dali by konektivitu dost levne :)) K Cool Explosion wrote: > Jakub S?kora napsal(a): > >> Myslim, ze to neni vubec OT. Mozna je to trochu morbidni, ale kazdy z >> teto konference by mel na svem hrobecku mit misto takoveho bastlu >> Ronju :) A mozna by se pak dalo komunikovat i se zahrobim :))) >> > > Tak to by potom ani nevadilo kdybch nekde slitnul ze strechy a dole se > rozmaznul, :-D jelikoz bych mel mnohem vice casu na hledani nejakejch > srandicek na internetu ;-) > From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Tue Dec 7 10:43:48 2004 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Tue Dec 7 10:43:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Aiming for infrared FSO system, how to? In-Reply-To: <20041204085832.GA2227@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041204085832.GA2227@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1348.172.31.16.74.1102416228.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hello there, In an infrared FSO system (e.g. Ronja Inferno or other 850nm and 1330nm commercial systems), how can an accurate beaming be achieved? Should there be visible light as a guided beam? Thanks, Ton ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Dec 7 11:14:59 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue Dec 7 11:15:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Aiming for infrared FSO system, how to? In-Reply-To: <1348.172.31.16.74.1102416228.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <20041204085832.GA2227@beton.cybernet.src> <1348.172.31.16.74.1102416228.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <41B590B3.2000308@kbx.cz> I think it was discussed here. Use a camcoder with 0lux sensitivity to see the beam. Another recommendation was to use a PAL monitor with the camcoder, because the LCD in the camcoder is not the best solution. When you have this prepared, you can aim it as usual metropolis. Another way is to use "normal" LEDs and when aimed replace them with infra. Then do some minimal precise aiming using the RSSI. Good luck, Kubajz Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hello there, > > In an infrared FSO system (e.g. Ronja Inferno or other 850nm and 1330nm > commercial systems), how can an accurate beaming be achieved? Should there > be visible light as a guided beam? > > Thanks, > > > Ton > > > ----------------------------------------- > This email was sent using SquirrelMail. > https://front.psu.ac.th/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From hollari1 at gmx.at Tue Dec 7 15:24:58 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Tue Dec 7 15:25:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> Message-ID: <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> Hi Clock and others ! I think the main reason for using STP Cables in Austria is, that most companies use "Structured Cabelling" not only for network connections, but also e.g. for telefon or simmilar. I think if it would not be shielded, you propably could "hear" the data at least in analogue telefons. The other thing is that work is usually much more expensive than material (in Austria). So if one uses unshielded cable and has problems with it, its a lot more expensive to replace the cables than to use shielded by "default". I privately have some longer network connections (i think 30-40m). If i disconnect the Shield from earthing, no data transfer is possible anymore. Regards, Sigi -- GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++ From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Dec 7 16:09:29 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue Dec 7 16:09:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> Message-ID: <41B5D5B9.5020401@kbx.cz> I know many networks cabelled with UTP only and there is an analog phone line on unused wires. I dont know about some problems. In fact some cables are longer than 100m. The difference betwween STP and UTP is measurable if the line goes along a high power voltage line etc. Kubajz Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > Hi Clock and others ! > > I think the main reason for using > STP Cables in Austria is, that > most companies use "Structured Cabelling" > not only for network connections, > but also e.g. for telefon or simmilar. > > I think if it would not be shielded, > you propably could "hear" the data > at least in analogue telefons. > > The other thing is that work is usually > much more expensive than material (in Austria). > So if one uses unshielded cable and has > problems with it, its a lot more expensive > to replace the cables than to use shielded > by "default". > > I privately have some longer network connections > (i think 30-40m). > If i disconnect the Shield from earthing, > no data transfer is possible anymore. > > Regards, Sigi > From jojo at matfyz.cz Tue Dec 7 16:19:10 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Tue Dec 7 16:19:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20041207161910.GA22528@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > I privately have some longer network connections > (i think 30-40m). > If i disconnect the Shield from earthing, > no data transfer is possible anymore. I've personaly tested 120m UTP cable (I know 100m is maximum length specified by standard). There was no problem with it. -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From shamanu8 at web.de Tue Dec 7 18:01:15 2004 From: shamanu8 at web.de (shamanu8@web.de) Date: Tue Dec 7 18:01:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> Message-ID: <418A6E54.4070506@web.de> in my last company they used the network kabels for network and telephon transfair. but there wasn't any shielding between the twisted pairs. only 2 complete shields around all 4 pairs. but stp isn't always bettern then utp. with stp you can get some negative signal interferences who you wouldn't get with utp. Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: >Hi Clock and others ! > >I think the main reason for using >STP Cables in Austria is, that >most companies use "Structured Cabelling" >not only for network connections, >but also e.g. for telefon or simmilar. > >I think if it would not be shielded, >you propably could "hear" the data >at least in analogue telefons. > >The other thing is that work is usually >much more expensive than material (in Austria). >So if one uses unshielded cable and has >problems with it, its a lot more expensive >to replace the cables than to use shielded >by "default". > >I privately have some longer network connections >(i think 30-40m). >If i disconnect the Shield from earthing, >no data transfer is possible anymore. > >Regards, Sigi > > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 7 22:08:35 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 7 22:09:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prodam Message-ID: <002101c4dca9$4c777f20$0101a8c0@cz> Cau lidi, mam tu par veci ktere mi zbyly (nove) na prodej. Takze jestli nekdo mate zajem , tak mam tohle: mediakonvertor ML6652CH ... 710,- Kc / 1ks fotodioda PDB-C102 ... 560,- Kc / 1ks eth trafo YCL 20PMT05B ..... 120,- Kc / 1ks eth trafo Bothhand 16PT8515-4 .... 40,- Kc / 1ks Obe trafa mam odzkousene do Twistera, s Bothhandem to jelo na 87m UTP. -=RYS=- ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041207/f6f23f19/attachment.htm From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Wed Dec 8 10:43:50 2004 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Wed Dec 8 10:44:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja + Twister, hub connection? In-Reply-To: <41B5D5B9.5020401@kbx.cz> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net><14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> <41B5D5B9.5020401@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <1395.172.31.16.228.1102502630.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hi all, Is Ronja (+ Twister) system can be directly connected to an ethernet hub? Any additional requirements? Thanks Ton ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From kubajz at kbx.cz Wed Dec 8 10:47:49 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?UTF-8?B?SmFrdWIgU8O9a29yYQ==?=) Date: Wed Dec 8 10:47:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja + Twister, hub connection? In-Reply-To: <1395.172.31.16.228.1102502630.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net><14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> <41B5D5B9.5020401@kbx.cz> <1395.172.31.16.228.1102502630.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <41B6DBD5.9030506@kbx.cz> Discussed so many times. YES it is and it will probably go as fast 10Mbps Half Duplex. K Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hi all, > > Is Ronja (+ Twister) system can be directly connected to an ethernet hub? > Any additional requirements? > > Thanks > > Ton > > > ----------------------------------------- > This email was sent using SquirrelMail. > https://front.psu.ac.th/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From buh at bubakov.net Wed Dec 8 12:00:24 2004 From: buh at bubakov.net (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Maty=E1=B9_Prokop?=) Date: Wed Dec 8 12:00:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Z casti funkcni twister Message-ID: <002701c4dd1d$802699e0$0101a8c0@doma1> Ahoj, Predem bych chtel upozornit ze jsem naprosty laik;).Spajil jsem twistera, na loopback funguje paradne ale pokud ho prepnu na PC tak funguje jen asi na prvni dva pakety ktere vidim v tcpdumpu a pak uz se pakety neduplikuji.Cervena LEDka blika celkem slabe a zelena take(pokud propojim RX a TX) po asi minute prestane svitit uplne;).Jedinou soucastku kterou mam jinou je 74HCT14 misto ktere mam 74HC14.Vsechny IC jsou v paticich coz nevim jestli vadi nebo nevadi ale jak jsem cetl predesle prispevky tak by to vadit snad nemelo. 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Prokop" Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Z casti funkcni twister Datum (Date): 8. 12. 2004 13:00 ================================================== > Ahoj, > Predem bych chtel upozornit ze jsem naprosty laik;).Spajil jsem > twistera, na loopback funguje paradne ale pokud ho prepnu na PC tak > funguje jen asi na prvni dva pakety ktere vidim v tcpdumpu a pak uz se > pakety neduplikuji.Cervena LEDka blika celkem slabe a zelena take(pokud > propojim RX a TX) po asi minute prestane svitit uplne;).Jedinou > soucastku kterou mam jinou je 74HCT14 misto ktere mam 74HC14.Vsechny IC > jsou v paticich coz nevim jestli vadi nebo nevadi ale jak jsem cetl > predesle prispevky tak by to vadit snad nemelo. > > Predem diky. Toto mne delala Ronja, kdyz byla sitovka nastavena na half duplex nebo nejak blbe. ____________________________________________________________ http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=80833 From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 8 15:49:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 8 15:49:08 2004 Subject: ?[Ronja]?UTP?distance?from?PC?to?Twister In-Reply-To: <51279.203.148.138.67.1101984227.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <20041202075129.GB2856@beton.cybernet.src> <51279.203.148.138.67.1101984227.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20041208154901.GA7477@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:43:47PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > We have tested Tx, Rx and Twister by using 10MHz signal from a signal > generator and everything seems to be fine (LEDs, signal, etc.). Where did you inject the 10MHz to? CONN52 in twister or CONN53 in twister? > > But nothing really happened when we connected UTP from LAN card (came with > motherboard) to Twister, there seems to be no signal coming in. What was expected to happen? > > That's why we have a serious doubt with our UTP and LAN card, however, we > have previously tested the link by connecting UTP between two PCs and > there is no problem. Switch twister into loopback mode using switches and perform rawframes test if you have Linux: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RawFramesTest Cl< > > > > You wrote Karel KulhavyThank you > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 08:27:45PM +0700, phanumas khumsat wrote: > >> Thanks, > >> > >> That means I really have a serious problem with my system. > >> Any ideas what is the most possible cause that there is no signal coming > >> out > >> from Tx+, Tx- pins from the UTP when running 'ping' command? > > > > Did you test it according to the guide? Where did you encounter first > > problem? Did you do anything differently from the guide? > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This email was sent using SquirrelMail. > https://front.psu.ac.th/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Dec 8 17:16:50 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Dec 8 17:16:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem Message-ID: <001c01c4dd49$b7472260$02086b0a@atintel> Zdravim. Tak jsem konecne postavil svoji prvni Ronju, ale mam problem s malym dosahem jednoho RX na zemi. Prvni RX jede bez PL asi na 2m, druhe asi jen na 80cm, oboji se stejnym TX. U prvniho RX se zacnou pakety ztracet kdyz klesne RSSI asi pod 40mV, u druheho je to asi 750mV. FET(BF988) jsem zkousel menit - P104 klesnul asi o 1V, ale na dosah to nemelo vliv. Fotodiody mam BPW43. Hodnoty vsech testpointu jsou v poradku az na P101 kde je asi o 0.5V min nez udavane minimum. Predem dekuji za kazdou radu :) ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041208/d28b1fd5/attachment.htm From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Dec 8 17:58:30 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Dec 8 17:59:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem Message-ID: <20041208175832Z1300658-8276+29290@mail.centrum.cz> trosku mimo tvuj problem, ale vztahuje se to ktomu rika se ze RRSI je u kazde ronji jine. Milan pise ze se u jednoho rx se ztraci pakety pri 40mV u druheho 750mV..... muze byt ten rozptyl az takovy??? jako ze muzou 2 rx fachcit na stejnou vzdalenost a rssi muze byt az tolik posunute??? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Milan Korda" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:16:50 +0100 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem > > Zdravim. Tak jsem konecne postavil svoji prvni Ronju, ale mam problem s malym dosahem jednoho RX na zemi. > Prvni RX jede bez PL asi na 2m, druhe asi jen na 80cm, oboji se stejnym TX. U prvniho RX se zacnou pakety ztracet kdyz klesne RSSI asi pod 40mV, u druheho je to asi 750mV. > FET(BF988) jsem zkousel menit - P104 klesnul asi o 1V, ale na dosah to nemelo vliv. Fotodiody mam BPW43. Hodnoty vsech testpointu jsou v poradku az na P101 kde je asi o 0.5V min nez udavane minimum. > Predem dekuji za kazdou radu :) > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From maco at host.sk Wed Dec 8 18:00:34 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Dec 8 18:01:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TWISTER Plosaky na Slovensku In-Reply-To: <002101c4dca9$4c777f20$0101a8c0@cz> References: <002101c4dca9$4c777f20$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <41B74142.5060006@host.sk> Budem mat na sklade v Bratislave vela plosakov Twistrov cca o tyzden. Vyrobila ich ISO normovana firma a kus predavam za 160Skk. Ak ma niekto zaujem nech mi napise. Bude ich dost. Moznost bude si ich vyzdvihnut aj v Poprade alebo Banskej Bystrici osobne, alebo postou na dobierku. S pozdravom Marcel Hecko marcel.hecko@blava.net From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Dec 8 18:27:32 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Dec 8 18:28:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem In-Reply-To: <20041208175832Z1300658-8276+29290@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <41B755A4.4801.39530D@localhost> Nemuze. Normalni hodnota RSSI pri pripojeni twisteru kdy jeste vse funguje je 25 az 120mV, pokud je vetsi je nekde neco spatne. Se starym AUIckem uz to jede skoro od "nuly" a na zemi o minimalne 1m dale nez s twisterem. > trosku mimo tvuj problem, ale vztahuje se to ktomu > > rika se ze RRSI je u kazde ronji jine. Milan pise ze se u jednoho rx se ztraci pakety pri 40mV u druheho 750mV..... muze byt ten rozptyl az takovy??? jako ze muzou 2 rx fachcit na stejnou vzdalenost a rssi muze byt az tolik posunute??? > > > > Zdravim. Tak jsem konecne postavil svoji prvni Ronju, ale mam problem s malym dosahem jednoho RX na zemi. > > Prvni RX jede bez PL asi na 2m, druhe asi jen na 80cm, oboji se stejnym TX. U prvniho RX se zacnou pakety ztracet kdyz klesne RSSI asi pod 40mV, u druheho je to asi 750mV. > > FET(BF988) jsem zkousel menit - P104 klesnul asi o 1V, ale na dosah to nemelo vliv. Fotodiody mam BPW43. Hodnoty vsech testpointu jsou v poradku az na P101 kde je asi o 0.5V min nez udavane minimum. > > Predem dekuji za kazdou radu :) > > _______________________________________________ From Korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Dec 8 19:55:55 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Dec 8 19:55:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem References: <41B755A4.4801.39530D@localhost> Message-ID: <000501c4dd5f$ef846780$02086b0a@atintel> Je mozny, ze odesla ta NE592? Nebo cim jinym by to mohlo byt? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem > Nemuze. Normalni hodnota RSSI pri pripojeni twisteru kdy jeste vse funguje > je 25 az > 120mV, pokud je vetsi je nekde neco spatne. Se starym AUIckem uz to jede > skoro od > "nuly" a na zemi o minimalne 1m dale nez s twisterem. > > >> trosku mimo tvuj problem, ale vztahuje se to ktomu >> >> rika se ze RRSI je u kazde ronji jine. Milan pise ze se u jednoho rx se >> ztraci pakety pri 40mV u druheho 750mV..... muze byt ten rozptyl az >> takovy??? jako ze muzou 2 rx fachcit na stejnou vzdalenost a rssi muze >> byt az tolik posunute??? >> > >> > Zdravim. Tak jsem konecne postavil svoji prvni Ronju, ale mam problem s >> > malym dosahem jednoho RX na zemi. >> > Prvni RX jede bez PL asi na 2m, druhe asi jen na 80cm, oboji se stejnym >> > TX. U prvniho RX se zacnou pakety ztracet kdyz klesne RSSI asi pod >> > 40mV, u druheho je to asi 750mV. >> > FET(BF988) jsem zkousel menit - P104 klesnul asi o 1V, ale na dosah to >> > nemelo vliv. Fotodiody mam BPW43. Hodnoty vsech testpointu jsou v >> > poradku az na P101 kde je asi o 0.5V min nez udavane minimum. >> > Predem dekuji za kazdou radu :) >> > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Dec 8 20:19:39 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Dec 8 20:20:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI Message-ID: <20041208201947Z1301654-8274+32569@mail.centrum.cz> pri fungujici lince je rssi 270mV.... jak zakryju Rx rukou pod 120mV to nedostanu.... nemela by tam byt 0V?? From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Dec 8 20:57:51 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Dec 8 20:58:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <20041208201947Z1301654-8274+32569@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <41B778DF.20793.C2FA0D@localhost> To mas jakou konstrukci RXu? Pokud se to zakreje fest necim opravdu neprusvitnym tak tam musi byt 0 max 1mV. Je ale dost mozny ze mezi prsty projde dost svetla. > pri fungujici lince je rssi 270mV.... jak zakryju Rx rukou pod 120mV to nedostanu.... nemela by tam byt 0V?? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Dec 8 20:57:52 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Dec 8 20:58:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem In-Reply-To: <000501c4dd5f$ef846780$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <41B778E0.13354.C2FBCE@localhost> Pokud odejde NE592 tak to nefunguje vubec. Nicmene to se jeste nikomu nestalo, pokud vim. Kolik ukazuje RSSI pokud do RXa nicim nesvitis? > Je mozny, ze odesla ta NE592? Nebo cim jinym by to mohlo byt? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Seliger" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem > > > > Nemuze. Normalni hodnota RSSI pri pripojeni twisteru kdy jeste vse funguje > > je 25 az > > 120mV, pokud je vetsi je nekde neco spatne. Se starym AUIckem uz to jede > > skoro od > > "nuly" a na zemi o minimalne 1m dale nez s twisterem. > > > > > >> trosku mimo tvuj problem, ale vztahuje se to ktomu > >> > >> rika se ze RRSI je u kazde ronji jine. Milan pise ze se u jednoho rx se > >> ztraci pakety pri 40mV u druheho 750mV..... muze byt ten rozptyl az > >> takovy??? jako ze muzou 2 rx fachcit na stejnou vzdalenost a rssi muze > >> byt az tolik posunute??? > >> > > >> > Zdravim. Tak jsem konecne postavil svoji prvni Ronju, ale mam problem s > >> > malym dosahem jednoho RX na zemi. > >> > Prvni RX jede bez PL asi na 2m, druhe asi jen na 80cm, oboji se stejnym > >> > TX. U prvniho RX se zacnou pakety ztracet kdyz klesne RSSI asi pod > >> > 40mV, u druheho je to asi 750mV. > >> > FET(BF988) jsem zkousel menit - P104 klesnul asi o 1V, ale na dosah to > >> > nemelo vliv. Fotodiody mam BPW43. Hodnoty vsech testpointu jsou v > >> > poradku az na P101 kde je asi o 0.5V min nez udavane minimum. > >> > Predem dekuji za kazdou radu :) > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Dec 8 21:33:01 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Dec 8 21:33:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI Message-ID: <20041208213312Z1303659-8276+34068@mail.centrum.cz> to sou ty smd co mam od tebe. ono tam je 120 i kdyz to namirim uplne mimo :)ale jinak to funguje.... jenom nevim proc mam na 280m na obou koncich tak kolem 500mV + - ... ze by to mohlo chodit lip:/.... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Petr Seliger" > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:57:51 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] RSSI > > To mas jakou konstrukci RXu? > Pokud se to zakreje fest necim opravdu neprusvitnym tak tam musi byt 0 max 1mV. Je > ale dost mozny ze mezi prsty projde dost svetla. > > > pri fungujici lince je rssi 270mV.... jak zakryju Rx rukou pod 120mV to nedostanu.... nemela by tam byt 0V?? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Dec 8 21:37:49 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Dec 8 21:38:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] zamerovani Message-ID: <20041208213750Z1301436-8276+34156@mail.centrum.cz> kdyz zameruju ronju a protejsi strana sviti + - na muj Rx. rozladim ohnisko na mojem Rx tak ze uvidim cocku i odporama z 2. strany na stinitku za fotoLED na mejem Rx .nasteluju to na cocku, doladim ohnisko tak aby byl na diode co nejmensi bod. delam to spravne? v tomhle pripade by nemelo jemne nastavovani Tx vyznam, je to tak? .... From jojo at matfyz.cz Wed Dec 8 21:42:37 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Wed Dec 8 21:42:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem In-Reply-To: <41B755A4.4801.39530D@localhost> References: <20041208175832Z1300658-8276+29290@mail.centrum.cz> <41B755A4.4801.39530D@localhost> Message-ID: <20041208214237.GA30184@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On 2004-12-08 19:27 +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > Se starym AUIckem uz to jede skoro od "nuly" a na zemi o minimalne 1m > dale nez s twisterem. To znamena, ze Ronja s AUI bude mat mozny dosah na realnej trase tiez dlzsi? -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Dec 8 22:46:52 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Dec 8 22:47:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <20041208213312Z1303659-8276+34068@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <41B7926C.24904.126CCA3@localhost> Jo, tak to je v poradku ono v tom normalne strasi :) Na stole tam byla pri vypnutem TXu "nula". Mozna ze v realu na strese do toho leze nejake ruseni zvenci. Pak me jeste napada - pripajels ty zapomenuty odpory? > to sou ty smd co mam od tebe. ono tam je 120 i kdyz to namirim uplne mimo :)ale jinak to funguje.... jenom nevim proc mam na 280m na obou koncich tak kolem 500mV + - ... ze by to mohlo chodit lip:/.... > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: "Petr Seliger" > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:57:51 +0100 > > P edm t: Re: [Ronja] RSSI > > > > To mas jakou konstrukci RXu? > > Pokud se to zakreje fest necim opravdu neprusvitnym tak tam musi byt 0 max 1mV. Je > > ale dost mozny ze mezi prsty projde dost svetla. > > > > > pri fungujici lince je rssi 270mV.... jak zakryju Rx rukou pod 120mV to nedostanu.... nemela by tam byt 0V?? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Korda.m at seznam.cz Thu Dec 9 05:17:10 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Thu Dec 9 05:16:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem References: <41B778E0.13354.C2FBCE@localhost> Message-ID: <000f01c4ddae$559c9670$02086b0a@atintel> Kdyz na RX nic nesvit tak je RSSI (0- 0.6) mV. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem > Pokud odejde NE592 tak to nefunguje vubec. Nicmene to se jeste nikomu > nestalo, > pokud vim. > Kolik ukazuje RSSI pokud do RXa nicim nesvitis? > > >> Je mozny, ze odesla ta NE592? Nebo cim jinym by to mohlo byt? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Petr Seliger" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem >> >> >> > Nemuze. Normalni hodnota RSSI pri pripojeni twisteru kdy jeste vse >> > funguje >> > je 25 az >> > 120mV, pokud je vetsi je nekde neco spatne. Se starym AUIckem uz to >> > jede >> > skoro od >> > "nuly" a na zemi o minimalne 1m dale nez s twisterem. >> > >> > >> >> trosku mimo tvuj problem, ale vztahuje se to ktomu >> >> >> >> rika se ze RRSI je u kazde ronji jine. Milan pise ze se u jednoho rx >> >> se >> >> ztraci pakety pri 40mV u druheho 750mV..... muze byt ten rozptyl az >> >> takovy??? jako ze muzou 2 rx fachcit na stejnou vzdalenost a rssi muze >> >> byt az tolik posunute??? >> >> > >> >> > Zdravim. Tak jsem konecne postavil svoji prvni Ronju, ale mam >> >> > problem s >> >> > malym dosahem jednoho RX na zemi. >> >> > Prvni RX jede bez PL asi na 2m, druhe asi jen na 80cm, oboji se >> >> > stejnym >> >> > TX. U prvniho RX se zacnou pakety ztracet kdyz klesne RSSI asi pod >> >> > 40mV, u druheho je to asi 750mV. >> >> > FET(BF988) jsem zkousel menit - P104 klesnul asi o 1V, ale na dosah >> >> > to >> >> > nemelo vliv. Fotodiody mam BPW43. Hodnoty vsech testpointu jsou v >> >> > poradku az na P101 kde je asi o 0.5V min nez udavane minimum. >> >> > Predem dekuji za kazdou radu :) >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ronja mailing list >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Korda.m at seznam.cz Thu Dec 9 05:28:59 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Thu Dec 9 05:28:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem References: <41B778E0.13354.C2FBCE@localhost> Message-ID: <001901c4ddaf$fc5dfd90$02086b0a@atintel> Jeste doplnim, ze RSSI je pod 1mV i v normalnim dennim svetle. RX i TX jsou hnizda... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Seliger" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem > Pokud odejde NE592 tak to nefunguje vubec. Nicmene to se jeste nikomu > nestalo, > pokud vim. > Kolik ukazuje RSSI pokud do RXa nicim nesvitis? > > >> Je mozny, ze odesla ta NE592? Nebo cim jinym by to mohlo byt? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Petr Seliger" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem >> >> >> > Nemuze. Normalni hodnota RSSI pri pripojeni twisteru kdy jeste vse >> > funguje >> > je 25 az >> > 120mV, pokud je vetsi je nekde neco spatne. Se starym AUIckem uz to >> > jede >> > skoro od >> > "nuly" a na zemi o minimalne 1m dale nez s twisterem. >> > >> > >> >> trosku mimo tvuj problem, ale vztahuje se to ktomu >> >> >> >> rika se ze RRSI je u kazde ronji jine. Milan pise ze se u jednoho rx >> >> se >> >> ztraci pakety pri 40mV u druheho 750mV..... muze byt ten rozptyl az >> >> takovy??? jako ze muzou 2 rx fachcit na stejnou vzdalenost a rssi muze >> >> byt az tolik posunute??? >> >> > >> >> > Zdravim. Tak jsem konecne postavil svoji prvni Ronju, ale mam >> >> > problem s >> >> > malym dosahem jednoho RX na zemi. >> >> > Prvni RX jede bez PL asi na 2m, druhe asi jen na 80cm, oboji se >> >> > stejnym >> >> > TX. U prvniho RX se zacnou pakety ztracet kdyz klesne RSSI asi pod >> >> > 40mV, u druheho je to asi 750mV. >> >> > FET(BF988) jsem zkousel menit - P104 klesnul asi o 1V, ale na dosah >> >> > to >> >> > nemelo vliv. Fotodiody mam BPW43. Hodnoty vsech testpointu jsou v >> >> > poradku az na P101 kde je asi o 0.5V min nez udavane minimum. >> >> > Predem dekuji za kazdou radu :) >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ronja mailing list >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From phanumas.k at psu.ac.th Thu Dec 9 16:30:18 2004 From: phanumas.k at psu.ac.th (Phanumas Khumsat) Date: Thu Dec 9 16:30:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem when connecting to an ethernet hub Message-ID: <3973.172.31.16.142.1102609818.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Hi there, We have eventually managed to link up two PCs together with Ronja Tetrapolis (indoor preliminary test without any optics). But we have no success trying to go into a wider domain when we connect the system to 10BaseT ethernet hub (COMPEX TP1008C). Any ideas what could be the most probable cause to this failure? Cheers, Ton ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. https://front.psu.ac.th/ From pasan at stonline.sk Thu Dec 9 22:14:02 2004 From: pasan at stonline.sk (V.R.) Date: Thu Dec 9 22:14:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Download ronja.twibright.com Message-ID: <002d01c4de3c$6be4fe70$8f8a51d5@repa> Potreboval by som nejak stiahnut celu stranku ronja.twibright.com na prezeranie offline, alebo aspon sekciu ronja tetrapolis aj s podzlozkami (tada s navodmi atd) Nechce sa mi vsetko tlacit na papier, a tak ma napadlo ze by to islo aj takto (napalil by som to na cd a bolo by po probleme)... napiste nejaky link....alebo nieco Diki Pato -=x=- Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041209/de7bc649/attachment.htm From kero at matfyz.cz Fri Dec 10 00:26:46 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Fri Dec 10 00:27:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Download ronja.twibright.com In-Reply-To: <002d01c4de3c$6be4fe70$8f8a51d5@repa> References: <002d01c4de3c$6be4fe70$8f8a51d5@repa> Message-ID: <41B8ED46.9080905@matfyz.cz> V.R. napsal(a): > Potreboval by som nejak stiahnut celu stranku ronja.twibright.com na > prezeranie offline, alebo aspon sekciu ronja tetrapolis aj s podzlozkami > (tada s navodmi atd) > Nechce sa mi vsetko tlacit na papier, a tak ma napadlo ze by to islo aj > takto (napalil by som to na cd a bolo by po probleme)... > napiste nejaky link....alebo nieco > http://ronja.twibright.com/editing.php Stahne ti celou site, ale funkcni bude jen v apachi(nebo necem podobnem) s phpkem. Pokud ti to nevyhvouje, zkus wget (je i pro winy) neco jako wget -r -l 0 --domains=ronja.twibright.com -p http://ronja.twibright.com Asi to nebude rovnou fungovat, manual wgetu najdes snadno. Kero > Diki > > Pato > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -=x=- > Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 07:51:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 07:51:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] krystal In-Reply-To: <200411121249.26338.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB61A882@vestex01.vest.corp> <200411101252.30230.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200411101255.24250.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200411121249.26338.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20041210075109.GA21898@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 12:49:26PM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Posilam fotku provedeni nahrady oscilatoru a schematko > > http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/osc > http://foto.jinde.cz/gallery/ronja/HPIM4443 I have put also the photos there: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/CrystalOscillator Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 09:09:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 09:09:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merak RSSI In-Reply-To: <6819977d20bff16d524cfb043e687f00@www2.mail.volny.cz> References: <20041122210425Z1305536-7223+222768@mail.centrum.cz> <002701c4d0df$e71df0c0$0101a8c0@cz> <776345e79c580b6d5eac45338936580d@www3.mail.volny.cz> <001e01c4d154$f9a64ce0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041201210457.GA10532@beton.cybernet.src> <6819977d20bff16d524cfb043e687f00@www2.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041210090949.GA23968@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 02:19:02PM +0100, Standa Bobrik wrote: > > /sbin/iptunnel add xs26-0 local 192.168.3.2 remote 62.24.64.27 > ttl 64 mode sit > /sbin/ifconfig xs26-0 up > > /sbin/ifconfig eth3 add 3ffe:80ee:17fe::1/128 > > /sbin/route -A inet6 add 2000::/3 dev xs26-0 > > http://62.24.64.27 works pretty nice ;) > Please, what are thu rules to choose remote ipv4 and ipv6 > addresses? Read this web: http://www.xs26.net/ The ipv4 address is an address of PoP. ipv6 range is assigned to you when you are registered at xs26 basically (for free of course). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 09:13:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 09:13:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP cable interference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041210091317.GC23968@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:51:14PM +0100, Silvije wrote: > > > Well, If I disconect interface and connect PC to another PC via cable > directly, I dont pickup any interference any more, so I guess that is > interface which produces interference. Or that piece of utp cable which > is connected to interface... > > > Anyway I compared Twister and my miniTP interface and it seems that > Clock's Twister produces slightly less interference than my interface but > anyway if someone is interested miniTP schem can be downloaded at > www.silvije.tk > > > It is not better than Twister but it is more simple, easier to assemble > because it has less parts and cheaper therefore I believe. > Anyway it is GPL free technology :) Can you display the AVR source code? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 10:15:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 10:15:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja dualhead distance issue In-Reply-To: <1185.1526-21574-591424762-1102325518@seznam.cz> References: <1185.1526-21574-591424762-1102325518@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20041210101521.GA16593@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 10:31:58AM +0100, Funky wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible to run ronja dualhead 2x130mm at distance of 2.25 km without > wi-fi backup ? According to visibility graph zero packetloss is guranteed up > to 1.7 km. How much instable connection should I expect ? I suppose there > will be some packetloss, thought I don't have any idea how big. What is your > opinion, how will it work ? I don't know Cl< > > thanks > > Jindrich "Funky" Pesak > ____________________________________________________________ > http://www.bezpecnyinternet.cz > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=80833 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 10:25:28 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 10:25:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Aiming for infrared FSO system, how to? In-Reply-To: <1348.172.31.16.74.1102416228.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <20041204085832.GA2227@beton.cybernet.src> <1348.172.31.16.74.1102416228.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20041210102528.GA5070@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 05:43:48PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hello there, > > In an infrared FSO system (e.g. Ronja Inferno or other 850nm and 1330nm > commercial systems), how can an accurate beaming be achieved? Should there > be visible light as a guided beam? This is of course solved in Inferno. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 10:47:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 10:47:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20041210104739.GB5070@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 04:24:58PM +0100, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > > Hi Clock and others ! > > I think the main reason for using > STP Cables in Austria is, that > most companies use "Structured Cabelling" > not only for network connections, > but also e.g. for telefon or simmilar. > > I think if it would not be shielded, > you propably could "hear" the data > at least in analogue telefons. > > The other thing is that work is usually > much more expensive than material (in Austria). When externalities like environment pollutions are ignored, then, yes. When they are included I believe material is often more expensive than work. Work generates just CO2 and is environmentally harmless. Manufacture of almost everything is environmentally harmful and depletes unreplenishable resources like oil and various metals. The pollution is usually externalized to poor countries without any responsibility (cf. Bhopal catastrophe) which will in end effect yield probably a global war because the poor are going to be upset against the rich for such behaviour. So this attitude doesn't seem to be sustainable for me. Althought I don't consider CZ to be a poor country so that count myself into the richer part of the world, I know well that ignoring it will eventually yield a nuke or anthrax on my head from someone who is performing crime in a feeling of defending his own lebensraum. > So if one uses unshielded cable and has > problems with it, its a lot more expensive > to replace the cables than to use shielded > by "default". Yes. In this case it doesn't make sense to waste precious work on fiddling with something badly designed, when it can be allocated to e. g. development of something useful. This is why Ronja uses shielded coaxial cables even with Twister :) They are shielded, don't generate interference and are easily obtainable and reliable and reasonably cheap and durable. I need to know what the STP shield is made from and what the STP jack looks like and how it is being attached to the shield. Have you got STP jack and STP cable at home? Cl< > > I privately have some longer network connections > (i think 30-40m). > If i disconnect the Shield from earthing, > no data transfer is possible anymore. > > Regards, Sigi > > -- > GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail > +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Fri Dec 10 15:40:08 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Fri Dec 10 15:40:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP cable interference Message-ID: >Can you display the AVR source code? >Cl< miniTP schematic is GPL, miniTP AVR schematic is GPL, however AVR firmware for miniTP AVR is not GPL, therefore I will not display source code for now, although I plan to publish downloadable .hex file for AVR. As you did not explain every part of twister interface and its and every part functionality I dont want to explain my source code for now. So if someone wants to build miniTP AVR, he or she will have GPL schematic (kernel) tainted with firmware (proprietary module) :-) And sometime in the next year around my birthday if I will feel really good I will publish everything :))) I do believe in free technology, just I dont have enough time to do everything what's on my todo list. And there is a lot... OK, to be completely honest I am adding some new functionality to interface that is why I dont want to publish source yet. Next version will have RSSI indicator of local RX head AND remote one. I hope. Of course, AVR schematic will suffer some little changes... God bless ya' all. Silvije From shamanu8 at web.de Fri Dec 10 17:47:12 2004 From: shamanu8 at web.de (shamanu8@web.de) Date: Fri Dec 10 17:47:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <20041210104739.GB5070@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> <20041210104739.GB5070@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <418E5F9E.10700@web.de> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >I need to know what the STP shield is made from and what the STP jack looks >like and how it is being attached to the shield. > >Have you got STP jack and STP cable at home? > >Cl< > > there are different kinds of shielding. the simplest one is with 1 aluminium foil around all pairs. it goes up to double shield around all pairs, plus single shielding around the 4 single pairs. on this page you can see how the jack is attached to the simplest stp cable: http://www.glasfaserinfo.de/rj45_crimpen.html i make it nearly by the same way for my privat use... From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 18:50:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 18:50:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <418E5F9E.10700@web.de> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> <20041210104739.GB5070@beton.cybernet.src> <418E5F9E.10700@web.de> Message-ID: <20041210185030.GA26164@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 06:47:10PM +0100, shamanu8@web.de wrote: > > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >I need to know what the STP shield is made from and what the STP jack looks > >like and how it is being attached to the shield. > > > >Have you got STP jack and STP cable at home? > > > >Cl< > > > > > > there are different kinds of shielding. > the simplest one is with 1 aluminium foil around all pairs. > it goes up to double shield around all pairs, plus single shielding > around the 4 single pairs. > > on this page you can see how the jack is attached to the simplest stp cable: > http://www.glasfaserinfo.de/rj45_crimpen.html > > i make it nearly by the same way for my privat use... Don't you have some more detailed photos or could you please shoot some with a digital camera? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 18:51:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 18:51:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja + Twister, hub connection? In-Reply-To: <1395.172.31.16.228.1102502630.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <41B5D5B9.5020401@kbx.cz> <1395.172.31.16.228.1102502630.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20041210185157.GB26164@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 05:43:50PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is Ronja (+ Twister) system can be directly connected to an ethernet hub? Yes Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 18:53:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 18:53:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Z casti funkcni twister In-Reply-To: <002701c4dd1d$802699e0$0101a8c0@doma1> References: <002701c4dd1d$802699e0$0101a8c0@doma1> Message-ID: <20041210185358.GC26164@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 01:00:24PM +0100, Maty?? Prokop wrote: > Ahoj, > Predem bych chtel upozornit ze jsem naprosty laik;).Spajil jsem > twistera, na loopback funguje paradne ale pokud ho prepnu na PC tak > funguje jen asi na prvni dva pakety ktere vidim v tcpdumpu a pak uz se > pakety neduplikuji.Cervena LEDka blika celkem slabe a zelena take(pokud > propojim RX a TX) po asi minute prestane svitit uplne;).Jedinou > soucastku kterou mam jinou je 74HCT14 misto ktere mam 74HC14.Vsechny IC This is not allowed. It may be the cause of the problem. > jsou v paticich coz nevim jestli vadi nebo nevadi ale jak jsem cetl > predesle prispevky tak by to vadit snad nemelo. If they are precision it doesn't matter. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 18:56:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 18:56:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem In-Reply-To: <001c01c4dd49$b7472260$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001c01c4dd49$b7472260$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20041210185653.GD26164@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 06:16:50PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > Zdravim. Tak jsem konecne postavil svoji prvni Ronju, ale mam problem s malym > dosahem jednoho RX na zemi. Is it airwire RX or PCB one? Cl< > Prvni RX jede bez PL asi na 2m, druhe asi jen na 80cm, oboji se stejnym TX. U > prvniho RX se zacnou pakety ztracet kdyz klesne RSSI asi pod 40mV, u druheho > je to asi 750mV. FET(BF988) jsem zkousel menit - P104 klesnul asi o 1V, ale > na dosah to nemelo vliv. Fotodiody mam BPW43. Hodnoty vsech testpointu jsou v > poradku az na P101 kde je asi o 0.5V min nez udavane minimum. Predem dekuji > za kazdou radu :) From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 18:59:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 18:59:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem In-Reply-To: <41B755A4.4801.39530D@localhost> References: <20041208175832Z1300658-8276+29290@mail.centrum.cz> <41B755A4.4801.39530D@localhost> Message-ID: <20041210185909.GE26164@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:27:32PM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > Nemuze. Normalni hodnota RSSI pri pripojeni twisteru kdy jeste vse funguje je 25 az > 120mV, pokud je vetsi je nekde neco spatne. Se starym AUIckem uz to jede skoro od > "nuly" a na zemi o minimalne 1m dale nez s twisterem. Are you able to reproduce a test case where Twister runs with the same RX and TX for 1m less than AUI? Mean everything built according to the guide, of course. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 18:59:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 18:59:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem In-Reply-To: <000501c4dd5f$ef846780$02086b0a@atintel> References: <41B755A4.4801.39530D@localhost> <000501c4dd5f$ef846780$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20041210185936.GF26164@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 08:55:55PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > Je mozny, ze odesla ta NE592? Nebo cim jinym by to mohlo byt? I haven't yet seen NE592 dying in RX due to handling or soldering. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 19:01:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 19:01:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <20041208201947Z1301654-8274+32569@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20041208201947Z1301654-8274+32569@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20041210190111.GG26164@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:19:39PM +0100, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > pri fungujici lince je rssi 270mV.... jak zakryju Rx rukou pod 120mV to > nedostanu.... nemela by tam byt 0V?? Do you mean 270mV is voltage on ordinary running installed link or when the link stops running? What illumination from ambient light was the RX receiving when the 120mV was measured? Is your RX according to the guide or some PCB? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 19:05:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 19:05:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem In-Reply-To: <20041208214237.GA30184@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20041208175832Z1300658-8276+29290@mail.centrum.cz> <41B755A4.4801.39530D@localhost> <20041208214237.GA30184@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20041210190530.GH26164@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:42:37PM +0100, Marian Cerny wrote: > On 2004-12-08 19:27 +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > Se starym AUIckem uz to jede skoro od "nuly" a na zemi o minimalne 1m > > dale nez s twisterem. > > To znamena, ze Ronja s AUI bude mat mozny dosah na realnej trase tiez > dlzsi? I haven't seen yet a confirmed case where Twister had worse performance than AUI. I tried it at home and it had the same performance. Should this prove true (and not caused by deviation from guide, which is very common among users), I am prepared to investigate and solve the problem. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 19:09:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 19:09:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] problem when connecting to an ethernet hub In-Reply-To: <3973.172.31.16.142.1102609818.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> References: <3973.172.31.16.142.1102609818.squirrel@first.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20041210190945.GI26164@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 11:30:18PM +0700, Phanumas Khumsat wrote: > Hi there, > > We have eventually managed to link up two PCs together with Ronja > Tetrapolis (indoor preliminary test without any optics). But we have no > success trying to go into a wider domain when we connect the system to what does "go into a wider domain" mean? > 10BaseT ethernet hub (COMPEX TP1008C). Any ideas what could be the most > probable cause to this failure? Auto MDI/MDX is one possible cause. Another is that the network mixes full and half duplex transceivers on some TP segment (violates IEEE802.3) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 19:16:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 19:15:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Download ronja.twibright.com In-Reply-To: <002d01c4de3c$6be4fe70$8f8a51d5@repa> References: <002d01c4de3c$6be4fe70$8f8a51d5@repa> Message-ID: <20041210191606.GA26421@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 11:14:02PM +0100, V.R. wrote: > Potreboval by som nejak stiahnut celu stranku ronja.twibright.com na prezeranie offline, alebo aspon sekciu ronja tetrapolis aj s podzlozkami (tada s navodmi atd) > Nechce sa mi vsetko tlacit na papier, a tak ma napadlo ze by to islo aj takto (napalil by som to na cd a bolo by po probleme)... > napiste nejaky link....alebo nieco http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/DownloadRonja Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 10 19:21:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 10 19:21:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP cable interference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041210192159.GC26421@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 04:40:08PM +0100, Silvije wrote: > > > >Can you display the AVR source code? > > >Cl< > > > miniTP schematic is GPL, > miniTP AVR schematic is GPL, > however AVR firmware for miniTP AVR is not GPL, > therefore I will not display source code for now, > although I plan to publish downloadable .hex file for AVR. Then miniTP isn't GPL and is offtopic here. > > As you did not explain every part of twister interface and its and every > part functionality I dont want to explain my source code for now. "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects other than Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php Explanation of how Twister works isn't a part of source of Twister. Source code for AVR in miniTP is a part of source of miniTP. So either publish all sources or don't discuss it here. Cl< From Korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Dec 10 19:24:52 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Fri Dec 10 19:25:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem References: <001c01c4dd49$b7472260$02086b0a@atintel> <20041210185653.GD26164@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001f01c4deed$f60c6780$02086b0a@atintel> Je to airwire. Vsechno podle navodu. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 06:16:50PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >> Zdravim. Tak jsem konecne postavil svoji prvni Ronju, ale mam problem s >> malym >> dosahem jednoho RX na zemi. > > Is it airwire RX or PCB one? > > Cl< > >> Prvni RX jede bez PL asi na 2m, druhe asi jen na 80cm, oboji se stejnym >> TX. U >> prvniho RX se zacnou pakety ztracet kdyz klesne RSSI asi pod 40mV, u >> druheho >> je to asi 750mV. FET(BF988) jsem zkousel menit - P104 klesnul asi o 1V, >> ale >> na dosah to nemelo vliv. Fotodiody mam BPW43. Hodnoty vsech testpointu >> jsou v >> poradku az na P101 kde je asi o 0.5V min nez udavane minimum. Predem >> dekuji >> za kazdou radu :) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From pasan at stonline.sk Fri Dec 10 23:23:52 2004 From: pasan at stonline.sk (V.R.) Date: Fri Dec 10 23:24:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] integrace na twister a petice...? Message-ID: <000a01c4df0f$50e0a6a0$cd9351d5@repa> chcel by som zacat spajkovat suciastky na DPS twister ale neviem ci ich mam dat do petic...?nezhorsilo by to vykon twisteru?(nemate s tym niekto skusenost?) Nechcem aby som itegrace zbytocne pri spajkovani zahrievali alebo to az tak nevadi? petice maju pozlatene vyvody.... Dakujem -=x=- Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041211/f8fe9a55/attachment-0001.htm From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Sat Dec 11 04:26:38 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Sat Dec 11 04:12:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] integrace na twister a petice...? In-Reply-To: <000a01c4df0f$50e0a6a0$cd9351d5@repa> References: <000a01c4df0f$50e0a6a0$cd9351d5@repa> Message-ID: <41BA76FE.5020402@jkl.darktech.org> V.R. wrote: > chcel by som zacat spajkovat suciastky na DPS twister ale neviem ci ich > mam dat do petic...?nezhorsilo by to vykon twisteru?(nemate s tym niekto > skusenost?) > Nechcem aby som itegrace zbytocne pri spajkovani zahrievali alebo to az > tak nevadi? > petice maju pozlatene vyvody.... > > Dakujem > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -=x=- > Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Je-li to vase prvni pajeni, a mate patice, dejte je tam. Jinak nemaji vyznam. Kdyz mate mikropajku a nebudete pajet naraz vsechny vyvody jedineho integrace naraz, ale vzdy nohu jednoho a dalsi jineho, tak neni az tak velka sance ze je znicite. -jkl- From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Sat Dec 11 09:09:04 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Sat Dec 11 09:09:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] integrace na twister a petice...? In-Reply-To: <000a01c4df0f$50e0a6a0$cd9351d5@repa> References: <000a01c4df0f$50e0a6a0$cd9351d5@repa> Message-ID: Jde o to, jake mas jiz zkusenosti s pajenim. Pokud jsi spise novacek, pouzij precizni patice, pokud jiz zkusenosti mas, myslim, ze neni duvod je pouzivat. ROOTen On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:23:52 +0100, V.R. wrote: > chcel by som zacat spajkovat suciastky na DPS twister ale neviem ci ich > mam dat do petic...?nezhorsilo by to vykon twisteru?(nemate s tym niekto > skusenost?) > Nechcem aby som itegrace zbytocne pri spajkovani zahrievali alebo to az > tak nevadi? > petice maju pozlatene vyvody.... > > Dakujem > > -=x=- > Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From clock at twibright.com Sat Dec 11 12:29:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Dec 11 12:29:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem In-Reply-To: <001f01c4deed$f60c6780$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001c01c4dd49$b7472260$02086b0a@atintel> <20041210185653.GD26164@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c4deed$f60c6780$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20041211122922.GA29394@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 08:24:52PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > Je to airwire. Vsechno podle navodu. Please post a photo of both good and bad RX, list of measurement point values together with expected values from the guide, and information about any decline from the guide during building. Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem > > > >On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 06:16:50PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > >>Zdravim. Tak jsem konecne postavil svoji prvni Ronju, ale mam problem s > >>malym > >>dosahem jednoho RX na zemi. > > > >Is it airwire RX or PCB one? > > > >Cl< > > > >>Prvni RX jede bez PL asi na 2m, druhe asi jen na 80cm, oboji se stejnym > >>TX. U > >>prvniho RX se zacnou pakety ztracet kdyz klesne RSSI asi pod 40mV, u > >>druheho > >>je to asi 750mV. FET(BF988) jsem zkousel menit - P104 klesnul asi o 1V, > >>ale > >>na dosah to nemelo vliv. Fotodiody mam BPW43. Hodnoty vsech testpointu > >>jsou v > >>poradku az na P101 kde je asi o 0.5V min nez udavane minimum. Predem > >>dekuji > >>za kazdou radu :) > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Dec 11 12:32:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Dec 11 12:32:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] integrace na twister a petice...? In-Reply-To: <000a01c4df0f$50e0a6a0$cd9351d5@repa> References: <000a01c4df0f$50e0a6a0$cd9351d5@repa> Message-ID: <20041211123225.GB29394@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 12:23:52AM +0100, V.R. wrote: > chcel by som zacat spajkovat suciastky na DPS twister ale neviem ci ich mam > dat do petic...?nezhorsilo by to vykon twisteru?(nemate s tym niekto > skusenost?) Nechcem aby som itegrace zbytocne pri spajkovani zahrievali alebo The performance will not be impacted. Only reliability may be impacted if the sockets are not precision. If you are sure you won't solder any chip the other way, don't use sockets. If not, use them. If you want to have a possibility of easy replace after an e. g. lightning strike, put only U56 and U62 into precision socket. > to az tak nevadi? petice maju pozlatene vyvody.... they are probably precision if they are gold-plated. Cl< > > Dakujem > > -=x=- > Skontrolovan? antiv?rov?m programom NOD32 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Dec 12 20:32:03 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Dec 12 20:33:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface Message-ID: <200412122132.04336.ladmanj@volny.cz> Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. Posilejte mi navrhy. Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. Dokumentaci zverejnim jakmile dokoncime web. Zatim, jako ochutnavku, posilam fotky (skeny) tistaku prototypu. Vysledna deska bude vypadat trochu jinak (mimo jine bude mensi). Jakub Ladman -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tp_iface_comp.png Type: image/png Size: 464779 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041212/6515b5c4/tp_iface_comp-0001.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jakub > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:32 PM > Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > > Posilejte mi navrhy. > > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > > Dokumentaci zverejnim jakmile dokoncime web. > > Zatim, jako ochutnavku, posilam fotky (skeny) tistaku prototypu. > > Vysledna deska bude vypadat trochu jinak (mimo jine bude mensi). > > > > Jakub Ladman > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- ---- > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From radek at podgorny.cz Mon Dec 13 00:14:15 2004 From: radek at podgorny.cz (Radek Podgorny) Date: Mon Dec 13 00:15:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <200412122132.04336.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200412122132.04336.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200412130114.18268.radek@podgorny.cz> Zdravim, v tomhle jsem amater, tak na me nekricte :-) CPLD je nejakej chytrej brouk, kam naprogramujes logiku a nemusis se pak patlat s 74***, je to tak? Pokud jo, kolik to tak stoji a jak tezky je to naprogramovat? Potrebuju nejakou special masinku a kolik ev. stoji? Sorry za lamovstvi... :-) Radek P. > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > Posilejte mi navrhy. > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > Dokumentaci zverejnim jakmile dokoncime web. > Zatim, jako ochutnavku, posilam fotky (skeny) tistaku prototypu. > Vysledna deska bude vypadat trochu jinak (mimo jine bude mensi). > > Jakub Ladman -- GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x98E56D84 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041213/5815d2ad/attachment.bin From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Dec 13 07:39:08 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Dec 13 07:39:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface References: <200412122132.04336.ladmanj@volny.cz><002a01c4e091$e3721200$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <200412122303.45411.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002501c4e0e6$d4ce5b50$0103450a@thechosen> ted me mrzi ze mam skoro hotovych 10 klasickych twosteru :( glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface On Sunday 12 December 2004 22:31, Cipis wrote: > XT_Face :-) > > jestli to bude jen trochu mozn?, tak to udelej v SMD :-) Jo bude to scele v SMD. Jakub > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:32 PM > Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > > Posilejte mi navrhy. > > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > > Dokumentaci zverejnim jakmile dokoncime web. > > Zatim, jako ochutnavku, posilam fotky (skeny) tistaku prototypu. > > Vysledna deska bude vypadat trochu jinak (mimo jine bude mensi). > > > > Jakub Ladman > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >- ---- > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Dec 13 08:44:33 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Dec 13 08:46:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <002501c4e0e6$d4ce5b50$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <41BD6481.23751.13D13F@localhost> Tohle muze rict jen nekdo, kdo nema zkusenost s podobnou vecickou od MRX111 (tomu se to veslo do XC9536 ale mel v tom nejake chyby). Ja bych pockal az bude dukladne provereno a pak se uvidi. > ted me mrzi ze mam skoro hotovych 10 klasickych twosteru :( > > > glo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > On Sunday 12 December 2004 22:31, Cipis wrote: > > XT_Face :-) > > > > jestli to bude jen trochu mozn?, tak to udelej v SMD :-) > Jo bude to scele v SMD. > > Jakub > > > > Cipis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:32 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > > > Posilejte mi navrhy. > > > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > > > Dokumentaci zverejnim jakmile dokoncime web. > > > Zatim, jako ochutnavku, posilam fotky (skeny) tistaku prototypu. > > > Vysledna deska bude vypadat trochu jinak (mimo jine bude mensi). > > > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >- ---- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Mon Dec 13 09:46:59 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Mon Dec 13 09:47:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] UTP Cable interference Message-ID: Clock, it is shame that you do not understend GPL licnce. Any way, read more carefully what are you talking about before complaining. You cannot tell me what should be in the source of something I do, just as same as I cannot tell you what should be in the source of something you do. I have two interfaces, one is GPL and the other is not. However schematics for both of them are GPL. But one of the interfaces consists of schematic and software. Software is not GPL. Now, you will probably say that pc running linux with proprietary modules for certain hardware is not GPL pc and you will refuse to work on it :)))) Well consider one of my interfaces the same thing, schematic for hardware is GPL, software is not. The other interface is completely GPL. That one does not have AVR in its name. I do not understand your problem, but I hope it could be cured :) greetz Silvije ps. And one more important thing: i did not discuss here about my interfaces for discussion sake, I was simply answering YOUR questions. So you should not accuse me for bull* From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 13 09:57:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Dec 13 09:58:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <200412122132.04336.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200412122132.04336.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 09:32:03PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > Posilejte mi navrhy. Treba logix, tetrix > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. Dokud to nebude zarazeny v Ronje tak ne :) Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Mon Dec 13 10:41:14 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Mon Dec 13 10:42:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface References: <200412122132.04336.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002201c4e100$45efce90$d203a8c0@diablo> Jelikoz je to nastupce TWISTRA (vylepsenej TWISTER), tak bych se trosku poopicil po Microsoftu a nazval bych to "TWISTER XP" nebo "TWISTER SE" :))))))))) PS: nekamenujte me prosim :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 09:32:03PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > > Posilejte mi navrhy. > > Treba logix, tetrix > > > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > > Dokud to nebude zarazeny v Ronje tak ne :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Dec 13 10:56:18 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Dec 13 10:58:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <002201c4e100$45efce90$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <41BD8362.30899.8C7488@localhost> Nebo se muzete poopicit a nazvat to twister XT. XT jako Xilinx Technology. Ale jak uz jsem rikal nechvalte dne pred vecerem. To ze je na stole funkcni prototyp s CLPD nebo FPGA obvodem znamena, ze jsme v nejlepsim pripade v polovine prace. > > Jelikoz je to nastupce TWISTRA (vylepsenej TWISTER), tak bych se trosku > poopicil po Microsoftu a nazval bych to "TWISTER XP" nebo "TWISTER SE" > :))))))))) > > PS: nekamenujte me prosim :)) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 09:32:03PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > > > Posilejte mi navrhy. > > > > Treba logix, tetrix > > > > > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > > > > Dokud to nebude zarazeny v Ronje tak ne :) > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= Mon Dec 13 14:32:04 2004 From: Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= (Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= ) Date: Mon Dec 13 14:32:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface Message-ID: jo a stareho twistra prejmenujeme na twistr 98 ne? :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Jaroslav Mixa" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:41:14 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > Jelikoz je to nastupce TWISTRA (vylepsenej TWISTER), tak bych se trosku > poopicil po Microsoftu a nazval bych to "TWISTER XP" nebo "TWISTER SE" > :))))))))) > > PS: nekamenujte me prosim :)) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 09:32:03PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > > > Posilejte mi navrhy. > > > > Treba logix, tetrix > > > > > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > > > > Dokud to nebude zarazeny v Ronje tak ne :) > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= Mon Dec 13 14:36:44 2004 From: Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= (Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= ) Date: Mon Dec 13 14:37:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Petr Seliger" > Komu: Michal Malusek , Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:44:33 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > Tohle muze rict jen nekdo, kdo nema zkusenost s podobnou vecickou od MRX111 > (tomu se to veslo do XC9536 ale mel v tom nejake chyby). > Ja bych pockal az bude dukladne provereno a pak se uvidi. > kdyz uz sme u toho. bylo ti to k necemu? ten jeho xilinx??? no, ale tomuhle twistrovi vic verim. prece jenom mrx111 tam mel 2 obrazky a ze to pry fachci... jesi tady bude i naka dokumentace....:) ja navrhuju Xilja nebo Xilinda ...nebo ... Xister....Xaver....Ksonja....Twixter ..... termix !..jogurt, presnidavka.... :P.................. no nic....:) > > ted me mrzi ze mam skoro hotovych 10 klasickych twosteru :( > > > > > > glo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > > > On Sunday 12 December 2004 22:31, Cipis wrote: > > > XT_Face :-) > > > > > > jestli to bude jen trochu mozn?, tak to udelej v SMD :-) > > Jo bude to scele v SMD. > > > > Jakub > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:32 PM > > > Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > > > > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > > > > Posilejte mi navrhy. > > > > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > > > > Dokumentaci zverejnim jakmile dokoncime web. > > > > Zatim, jako ochutnavku, posilam fotky (skeny) tistaku prototypu. > > > > Vysledna deska bude vypadat trochu jinak (mimo jine bude mensi). > > > > > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > > >- ---- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= Mon Dec 13 14:38:32 2004 From: Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= (Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= ) Date: Mon Dec 13 14:39:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface Message-ID: este roTWInx ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhavy > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:57:30 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 09:32:03PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > > Posilejte mi navrhy. > > Treba logix, tetrix > > > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > > Dokud to nebude zarazeny v Ronje tak ne :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 13 16:42:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Dec 13 16:42:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041213164200.GA1407@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 03:36:44PM +0100, ronja-bounces+clock=twibright.com@lists.pointless.net wrote: > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: "Petr Seliger" > > Komu: Michal Malusek , Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:44:33 +0100 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > Tohle muze rict jen nekdo, kdo nema zkusenost s podobnou vecickou od MRX111 > > (tomu se to veslo do XC9536 ale mel v tom nejake chyby). > > Ja bych pockal az bude dukladne provereno a pak se uvidi. > > > > kdyz uz sme u toho. bylo ti to k necemu? ten jeho xilinx??? > > no, ale tomuhle twistrovi vic verim. prece jenom mrx111 tam mel 2 obrazky a > ze to pry fachci... jesi tady bude i naka dokumentace....:) I do not intend to merge it into Ronja unless it's building guide is in a state comparable to Twister. Cl< From shamanu8 at web.de Mon Dec 13 16:47:23 2004 From: shamanu8 at web.de (shamanu8@web.de) Date: Mon Dec 13 16:47:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <20041210185030.GA26164@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> <20041210104739.GB5070@beton.cybernet.src> <418E5F9E.10700@web.de> <20041210185030.GA26164@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41792A49.4050102@web.de> photos... :) Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 06:47:10PM +0100, shamanu8@web.de wrote: > > >>Karel Kulhavy wrote: >> >> >> >>>I need to know what the STP shield is made from and what the STP jack looks >>>like and how it is being attached to the shield. >>> >>>Have you got STP jack and STP cable at home? >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>> >>> >>> >>there are different kinds of shielding. >>the simplest one is with 1 aluminium foil around all pairs. >>it goes up to double shield around all pairs, plus single shielding >>around the 4 single pairs. >> >>on this page you can see how the jack is attached to the simplest stp cable: >>http://www.glasfaserinfo.de/rj45_crimpen.html >> >>i make it nearly by the same way for my privat use... >> >> > >Don't you have some more detailed photos or could you please shoot some >with a digital camera? > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 11.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 90000 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041213/123bb50f/11.jpg From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Dec 13 18:30:01 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Mon Dec 13 18:31:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <41BDEDB9.15194.11A4A2@localhost> > > Tohle muze rict jen nekdo, kdo nema zkusenost s podobnou vecickou od MRX111 > > (tomu se to veslo do XC9536 ale mel v tom nejake chyby). > > Ja bych pockal az bude dukladne provereno a pak se uvidi. > > > > kdyz uz sme u toho. bylo ti to k necemu? ten jeho xilinx??? > Kupodivu bylo, i kdyz bzl jistenej proti cteni. Dokonce to i funguje, jen tam mel mrx111 chybu a obavam se ze Jakub ji tam bude mit taky. No uvidime. Pokud by nekdo chtel zdrojak od te mrvixovi 89C2051 tak muzu poslat. At se taky zasmejete... > no, ale tomuhle twistrovi vic verim. prece jenom mrx111 tam mel 2 obrazky a ze to pry fachci... jesi tady bude i naka dokumentace....:) > > > ja navrhuju Xilja nebo Xilinda ...nebo ... Xister....Xaver....Ksonja....Twixter ..... termix !..jogurt, presnidavka.... :P.................. no nic....:) > > > > ted me mrzi ze mam skoro hotovych 10 klasickych twosteru :( > > > > > > > > > glo > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:03 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > > > > > > On Sunday 12 December 2004 22:31, Cipis wrote: > > > > XT_Face :-) > > > > > > > > jestli to bude jen trochu mozn?, tak to udelej v SMD :-) > > > Jo bude to scele v SMD. > > > > > > Jakub > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:32 PM > > > > Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > > > > > > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > > > > > Posilejte mi navrhy. > > > > > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > > > > > Dokumentaci zverejnim jakmile dokoncime web. > > > > > Zatim, jako ochutnavku, posilam fotky (skeny) tistaku prototypu. > > > > > Vysledna deska bude vypadat trochu jinak (mimo jine bude mensi). > > > > > > > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > - > > > >- ---- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 13 18:47:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Dec 13 18:47:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <41BDEDB9.15194.11A4A2@localhost> References: <41BDEDB9.15194.11A4A2@localhost> Message-ID: <20041213184722.GA23923@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 07:30:01PM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > Tohle muze rict jen nekdo, kdo nema zkusenost s podobnou vecickou od MRX111 > > > (tomu se to veslo do XC9536 ale mel v tom nejake chyby). > > > Ja bych pockal az bude dukladne provereno a pak se uvidi. > > > > > > > kdyz uz sme u toho. bylo ti to k necemu? ten jeho xilinx??? > > > Kupodivu bylo, i kdyz bzl jistenej proti cteni. Dokonce to i funguje, jen tam mel mrx111 > chybu a obavam se ze Jakub ji tam bude mit taky. No uvidime. jakou chybu? > Pokud by nekdo chtel zdrojak od te mrvixovi 89C2051 tak muzu poslat. At se taky > zasmejete... Posli :) Cl< From zdendulka at email.cz Mon Dec 13 20:18:11 2004 From: zdendulka at email.cz (Zdendik Chalda) Date: Mon Dec 13 20:18:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface Message-ID: <41BDF903.000001.21712@update.email.atc> a co takhle TWIXI TWIster XIlinx Mrcarlos ______________________________________________________________________REKLAMA___ Zimn? pneu nejlevn?ji v ?R! N?kup p??mo od v?robc?, doprava zdarma. http://www.pneuprodej.cz From Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= Mon Dec 13 21:58:26 2004 From: Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= (Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= ) Date: Mon Dec 13 21:59:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Petr Seliger" > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:30:01 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > Tohle muze rict jen nekdo, kdo nema zkusenost s podobnou vecickou od MRX111 > > > (tomu se to veslo do XC9536 ale mel v tom nejake chyby). > > > Ja bych pockal az bude dukladne provereno a pak se uvidi. > > > > > > > kdyz uz sme u toho. bylo ti to k necemu? ten jeho xilinx??? > > > Kupodivu bylo, i kdyz bzl jistenej proti cteni. Dokonce to i funguje, jen tam mel mrx111 > chybu a obavam se ze Jakub ji tam bude mit taky. No uvidime. > Pokud by nekdo chtel zdrojak od te mrvixovi 89C2051 tak muzu poslat. At se taky > zasmejete... > tak posli. sice nejsem naky odbornik na to, ale chvili stim uz delam. :)..... jaktoze ti to funguje??? co tomu bylo? byl to naky velky chyba nebo naka kravina? > > > > no, ale tomuhle twistrovi vic verim. prece jenom mrx111 tam mel 2 obrazky a ze to pry fachci... jesi tady bude i naka dokumentace....:) > > > > > > ja navrhuju Xilja nebo Xilinda ...nebo ... Xister....Xaver....Ksonja....Twixter ..... termix !..jogurt, presnidavka.... :P.................. no nic....:) > > > > > > ted me mrzi ze mam skoro hotovych 10 klasickych twosteru :( > > > > > > > > > > > > glo > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:03 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday 12 December 2004 22:31, Cipis wrote: > > > > > XT_Face :-) > > > > > > > > > > jestli to bude jen trochu mozn?, tak to udelej v SMD :-) > > > > Jo bude to scele v SMD. > > > > > > > > Jakub > > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:32 PM > > > > > Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > > > > > > > > Hledam nazev pro xilinxovy tp interface. > > > > > > Posilejte mi navrhy. > > > > > > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > > > > > > Dokumentaci zverejnim jakmile dokoncime web. > > > > > > Zatim, jako ochutnavku, posilam fotky (skeny) tistaku prototypu. > > > > > > Vysledna deska bude vypadat trochu jinak (mimo jine bude mensi). > > > > > > > > > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > - > > > > >- ---- > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= Mon Dec 13 22:00:59 2004 From: Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= (Jakub =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= ) Date: Mon Dec 13 22:01:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface Message-ID: a vubec,.... proc porad kombinovat twister xilinx a ronja.... co tak.... neco echt ceskeho... treba... Adelka.... Matylda... Martina...... Verca....... :P.......ne? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Zdendik Chalda > Komu: > Datum: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:18:11 +0100 (CET) > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > a co takhle TWIXI > TWIster XIlinx > > Mrcarlos > > ______________________________________________________________________REKLAMA___ > Zimn? pneu nejlevn?ji v ?R! N?kup p??mo od v?robc?, doprava zdarma. http://www.pneuprodej.cz > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From moti at pilsfree.net Mon Dec 13 23:53:33 2004 From: moti at pilsfree.net (Michal Toman) Date: Mon Dec 13 23:54:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) Message-ID: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> Cau, jelikoz jsem nikde nenasel nejaky jednoduse realizovatelny postup pro zamereni infra ronjy, tak jsem se rozhodl popsat nasi zamerovaci akci pekne krok po kroku. Zamerne vypustim prubeh prvotnich pokusu, ktere byly slepe cesty a staly nas hodne casu na mrazu a bohuzel i zasadni problemy s obyvateli naseho panelaku (to by ale byl jiny pribeh - spolecna strecha, duchodci, prudici - mnozi to znate). Nakonec se nam povedlo prijit na pomerne jednoduchy a predevsim opakovatelny postup zamerovani. Predne technicka data toho spoje: * vzdalenost: 800m * z, do: z vytahove budky panelaku (6 pater) do vetsiho rodinneho domu (3 patra) * ucel: paterni spoj Pilsfree (AP router-moti - AP router-jakub) * misto: Plzen (Doubravka) * verze: infra podle modifikace co poslal Rys * elektronika: vrabcak, beha na 3m, vic nebyl prostor, F konekroty na twisteru - cpat koax do cokolady ne-e :( * mechanika: klasicke provedeni, drzak na stozar * RSSI 160mV (jede to bez packetlossu i na 60mV pri mensi mlze) Zamerovani: Pomucky nutne * kamera - pouzili jsme obycejnou analogovou (zoom 14x bohate stacil), meli jsme 2 a ta levnejsi "brala" infra lepe nez drazsi. Asi mela horsi CCD, ktery snimal infra vic. Manualni ostreni je velkou vyhodou, kamera se v noci moc nechyta. Doporucuju zalozni baterie nebo napajeni ze site. Digitalni fotak je nevhodny, nevim presne proc, ale infra v nem na tu vzdalenost neni pro nas ucel videt dostatecne. * vysilacky - meli jsme jak vysilacky pro volne pasmo, tak pro radioamaterske pasmo, zadny rozdil. Zalozni baterky vyhodou, nam vydrzely v pohode. * voltmetr - pro mereni RSSI jsme meli 2 voltmetry - jeden za 148Kc a druhy za cca 3000Kc. Tady bych doporucoval si vypujcit od nekoho ten lepsi voltmetr, ktery dokaze merit spolehlive i napeti okolo 1mV. Pomucky doplnkove (nepovine, ale mohou ulehcit nebo spis zpestrit praci): * imitace vysilace ve viditelnem spektru - krabicky s klasickou cervenou ledkou - staci krabicka, 2 dratky, ledka a 200ohm odpor... pripojit na 12V co jde do vyhrivani cocek. Vyznam viz nize. * vystrizeny kruh z pauzaku velikosti prumeru trubky, pripevneny na oko z dratu - pro zjisteni ohniska (smysl zrejmy) Postup: Vsechno je nutne delat v noci, dobra viditelnost je vyhodou. Na prijimaci strane vypnout telefony, obcas se z nich indukuje falesne napeni na RSSI. Podobne to plati pri zaklicovani vysilacky! Draty z RSSI jsme meli vyvedene ven z uzavrene trubky, abysme mohli mit roury zavickovane. Vicka mame hodne natesno a pri uzavirani se muze s trubkou hnout a cela prace je pak v ... Pripravna (_volitelna_) faze. 1) misto TX infra vlozit do vysilaci trubky krabicku s klasickou cervenou LED (HPWT-BD00-F4000) 2) na blizky barak (cca 100m) zjistit ohnisko (co nejmensi kruh), oznacit napriklad kde je predni sroub krabicky (tim se vyresi ohnisko a zbydou pouze 2 stupne volnosti :) Z nalezeni ohniska nemejte prilis obavy, na milimetrech nezalezi. 3) zhruba zamerit vysilaci trubici pri cervene ledce (videt tu zari na druhem konci stoji za to nevynechat tuto volitelnou cast, s infra si v tomhto ohledu moc neuzijete) 4) vyndat cervenou, vlozit infra krabicku Vlastni zamerovani: 1) zapnout vysilac (TX) 2) overit zda sviti led v TX - fotakem, kamerou. Prostym okem je videt jak se zhavi vlakno uvnitr LED (ale nedoporucuju do toho moc koukat - osobne mam z infra respekt). Pripadne namirit TX a RX krabicky proti sobe a zmerit RSSI (melo by byt lehce pod 4V) 3) Na druhe strane zapnout kameru, zazoomovat na spravne misto 4) hybat rourou vysilace, na strane prijimace se v kamere sleduje jak moc velke svetlo prichazi - tedy cilem je nastavit vysilac na maximalni svit (alespon zhruba; vysilac se jevi v kamere jako trochu rozmazany svetly flek) 5) pri maximu _napevno_ utahnout vysilac 6) pripojit voltmetr na RSSI, hybat prijimaci trubkou (muze to trvat celkem dlouho nez se trefite do vysilace) 7) jakmile je tam nenulova hodnota - typicky 0.4 - 1mV je vyhrano (to neni vtip, dozamereni je otazka 20 minut vcetne zatmeleni). Zakrytim prijimace by melo napeti klesnout na 0mV 8) utahnout srouby prijimace co to jde a neztratit pritom signal 9) doladit vysilaci trubku - vychylovat jemne rukou do ruznych stran - tim se zjisti jake srouby s gumama je nutne utahnout, protistrana hlasi RSSI - typicky to obcas vylitne na 30 - 50mV, doladit pres gumy 10) podobne jako 9) doladit pres gumy prijimac Stejne pro druhy smer. Tento postup je opakovatelny a na 800m je spolehlivy. Predevsim je potreba minimalni vybaveni, coz chapu jako nejvetsi vyhodu. Par fotek nakonec: elektronika: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_0030.JPG mechanika pripravena na "expedici": http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4545.JPG ruda zare: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4685.JPG kam to miri: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4701.JPG ronja zasilikonovana: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4704.JPG napeti pri zacinajici mlze: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4710.JPG zacinajici mlha: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4711.JPG APcko: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4714.JPG twister+router+chaos v kabelech ;) : http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4723.JPG Konec slohoveho cviceni, prijemne infra zamerovani :) Moti From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 14 02:37:20 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 14 02:38:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> Message-ID: <000601c4e185$d5e26320$0101a8c0@cz> Gratulace !!! :)) At chodi. Martin -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Toman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:53 AM Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) > Cau, > > jelikoz jsem nikde nenasel nejaky jednoduse realizovatelny postup pro > zamereni infra ronjy, tak jsem se rozhodl popsat nasi zamerovaci akci > pekne krok po kroku. Zamerne vypustim prubeh prvotnich pokusu, ktere > byly slepe cesty a staly nas hodne casu na mrazu a bohuzel i zasadni > problemy s obyvateli naseho panelaku (to by ale byl jiny pribeh - > spolecna strecha, duchodci, prudici - mnozi to znate). Nakonec se nam > povedlo prijit na pomerne jednoduchy a predevsim opakovatelny postup > zamerovani. > > Predne technicka data toho spoje: > * vzdalenost: 800m > * z, do: z vytahove budky panelaku (6 pater) do vetsiho rodinneho domu > (3 patra) > * ucel: paterni spoj Pilsfree (AP router-moti - AP router-jakub) > * misto: Plzen (Doubravka) > * verze: infra podle modifikace co poslal Rys > * elektronika: vrabcak, beha na 3m, vic nebyl prostor, F konekroty na > twisteru - cpat koax do cokolady ne-e :( > * mechanika: klasicke provedeni, drzak na stozar > * RSSI 160mV (jede to bez packetlossu i na 60mV pri mensi mlze) > > Zamerovani: > > Pomucky nutne > * kamera - pouzili jsme obycejnou analogovou (zoom 14x bohate stacil), > meli jsme 2 a ta levnejsi "brala" infra lepe nez drazsi. Asi mela horsi > CCD, ktery snimal infra vic. Manualni ostreni je velkou vyhodou, kamera > se v noci moc nechyta. Doporucuju zalozni baterie nebo napajeni ze site. > Digitalni fotak je nevhodny, nevim presne proc, ale infra v nem na tu > vzdalenost neni pro nas ucel videt dostatecne. > > * vysilacky - meli jsme jak vysilacky pro volne pasmo, tak pro > radioamaterske pasmo, zadny rozdil. Zalozni baterky vyhodou, nam > vydrzely v pohode. > > * voltmetr - pro mereni RSSI jsme meli 2 voltmetry - jeden za 148Kc a > druhy za cca 3000Kc. Tady bych doporucoval si vypujcit od nekoho ten > lepsi voltmetr, ktery dokaze merit spolehlive i napeti okolo 1mV. > > Pomucky doplnkove (nepovine, ale mohou ulehcit nebo spis zpestrit > praci): > > * imitace vysilace ve viditelnem spektru - krabicky s klasickou cervenou > ledkou - staci krabicka, 2 dratky, ledka a 200ohm odpor... pripojit na > 12V co jde do vyhrivani cocek. Vyznam viz nize. > > * vystrizeny kruh z pauzaku velikosti prumeru trubky, pripevneny na oko > z dratu - pro zjisteni ohniska (smysl zrejmy) > > Postup: > > Vsechno je nutne delat v noci, dobra viditelnost je vyhodou. Na > prijimaci strane vypnout telefony, obcas se z nich indukuje falesne > napeni na RSSI. Podobne to plati pri zaklicovani vysilacky! Draty z RSSI > jsme meli vyvedene ven z uzavrene trubky, abysme mohli mit roury > zavickovane. Vicka mame hodne natesno a pri uzavirani se muze s trubkou > hnout a cela prace je pak v ... > > Pripravna (_volitelna_) faze. > 1) misto TX infra vlozit do vysilaci trubky krabicku s klasickou > cervenou LED (HPWT-BD00-F4000) > 2) na blizky barak (cca 100m) zjistit ohnisko (co nejmensi kruh), > oznacit napriklad kde je predni sroub krabicky (tim se vyresi ohnisko a > zbydou pouze 2 stupne volnosti :) Z nalezeni ohniska nemejte prilis > obavy, na milimetrech nezalezi. > 3) zhruba zamerit vysilaci trubici pri cervene ledce (videt tu zari na > druhem konci stoji za to nevynechat tuto volitelnou cast, s infra si v > tomhto ohledu moc neuzijete) > 4) vyndat cervenou, vlozit infra krabicku > > Vlastni zamerovani: > > 1) zapnout vysilac (TX) > 2) overit zda sviti led v TX - fotakem, kamerou. Prostym okem je videt > jak se zhavi vlakno uvnitr LED (ale nedoporucuju do toho moc koukat - > osobne mam z infra respekt). Pripadne namirit TX a RX krabicky proti > sobe a zmerit RSSI (melo by byt lehce pod 4V) > 3) Na druhe strane zapnout kameru, zazoomovat na spravne misto > 4) hybat rourou vysilace, na strane prijimace se v kamere sleduje jak > moc velke svetlo prichazi - tedy cilem je nastavit vysilac na maximalni > svit (alespon zhruba; vysilac se jevi v kamere jako trochu rozmazany > svetly flek) > 5) pri maximu _napevno_ utahnout vysilac > 6) pripojit voltmetr na RSSI, hybat prijimaci trubkou (muze to trvat > celkem dlouho nez se trefite do vysilace) > 7) jakmile je tam nenulova hodnota - typicky 0.4 - 1mV je vyhrano (to > neni vtip, dozamereni je otazka 20 minut vcetne zatmeleni). Zakrytim > prijimace by melo napeti klesnout na 0mV > 8) utahnout srouby prijimace co to jde a neztratit pritom signal > 9) doladit vysilaci trubku - vychylovat jemne rukou do ruznych stran - > tim se zjisti jake srouby s gumama je nutne utahnout, protistrana hlasi > RSSI - typicky to obcas vylitne na 30 - 50mV, doladit pres gumy > 10) podobne jako 9) doladit pres gumy prijimac > > Stejne pro druhy smer. Tento postup je opakovatelny a na 800m je > spolehlivy. Predevsim je potreba minimalni vybaveni, coz chapu jako > nejvetsi vyhodu. > > Par fotek nakonec: > elektronika: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_0030.JPG > mechanika pripravena na "expedici": > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4545.JPG > ruda zare: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4685.JPG > kam to miri: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4701.JPG > ronja zasilikonovana: > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4704.JPG > napeti pri zacinajici mlze: > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4710.JPG > zacinajici mlha: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4711.JPG > APcko: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4714.JPG > twister+router+chaos v kabelech ;) : > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4723.JPG > > Konec slohoveho cviceni, prijemne infra zamerovani :) > Moti > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 14 02:50:13 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 14 02:51:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> Message-ID: <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> Jeste poznamky: 1) Clock tu bude asi kricet, ze tahle infra Ronja tu nema co bejt protoze to neni jeho Ronja :)) 2) To dulezitejsi, asi jsi radioamater, ja jsem Martin OK1MJO ( -=RYS=- ). A na tohle infra pouzivam jednu skvelou radioamaterskou pomucku ..... ATV na 1.3 nebo 2.4GHz. Normalne vemu starou analogovou videokameru (VHC-C), zazoomuju a manualne zaostrim Pripojim ji na ATV vysilac a na druhe strane si clovek na monitoru co je pripojen na ATV prijimac kontroluje kam smeruje FSO vysilac. Kdo nema licenci muze si za par kacek koupit ATV pro ne HAM na 2.4GHz ISM treba v GME. Ja jsem to kupoval v www.cts-kenwood.cz TX je za 1750,- a RX taky za 1750,- a ma to 10mW PA PAL. Tolik ode me. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Toman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:53 AM Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) > Cau, > > jelikoz jsem nikde nenasel nejaky jednoduse realizovatelny postup pro > zamereni infra ronjy, tak jsem se rozhodl popsat nasi zamerovaci akci > pekne krok po kroku. Zamerne vypustim prubeh prvotnich pokusu, ktere > byly slepe cesty a staly nas hodne casu na mrazu a bohuzel i zasadni > problemy s obyvateli naseho panelaku (to by ale byl jiny pribeh - > spolecna strecha, duchodci, prudici - mnozi to znate). Nakonec se nam > povedlo prijit na pomerne jednoduchy a predevsim opakovatelny postup > zamerovani. > > Predne technicka data toho spoje: > * vzdalenost: 800m > * z, do: z vytahove budky panelaku (6 pater) do vetsiho rodinneho domu > (3 patra) > * ucel: paterni spoj Pilsfree (AP router-moti - AP router-jakub) > * misto: Plzen (Doubravka) > * verze: infra podle modifikace co poslal Rys > * elektronika: vrabcak, beha na 3m, vic nebyl prostor, F konekroty na > twisteru - cpat koax do cokolady ne-e :( > * mechanika: klasicke provedeni, drzak na stozar > * RSSI 160mV (jede to bez packetlossu i na 60mV pri mensi mlze) > > Zamerovani: > > Pomucky nutne > * kamera - pouzili jsme obycejnou analogovou (zoom 14x bohate stacil), > meli jsme 2 a ta levnejsi "brala" infra lepe nez drazsi. Asi mela horsi > CCD, ktery snimal infra vic. Manualni ostreni je velkou vyhodou, kamera > se v noci moc nechyta. Doporucuju zalozni baterie nebo napajeni ze site. > Digitalni fotak je nevhodny, nevim presne proc, ale infra v nem na tu > vzdalenost neni pro nas ucel videt dostatecne. > > * vysilacky - meli jsme jak vysilacky pro volne pasmo, tak pro > radioamaterske pasmo, zadny rozdil. Zalozni baterky vyhodou, nam > vydrzely v pohode. > > * voltmetr - pro mereni RSSI jsme meli 2 voltmetry - jeden za 148Kc a > druhy za cca 3000Kc. Tady bych doporucoval si vypujcit od nekoho ten > lepsi voltmetr, ktery dokaze merit spolehlive i napeti okolo 1mV. > > Pomucky doplnkove (nepovine, ale mohou ulehcit nebo spis zpestrit > praci): > > * imitace vysilace ve viditelnem spektru - krabicky s klasickou cervenou > ledkou - staci krabicka, 2 dratky, ledka a 200ohm odpor... pripojit na > 12V co jde do vyhrivani cocek. Vyznam viz nize. > > * vystrizeny kruh z pauzaku velikosti prumeru trubky, pripevneny na oko > z dratu - pro zjisteni ohniska (smysl zrejmy) > > Postup: > > Vsechno je nutne delat v noci, dobra viditelnost je vyhodou. Na > prijimaci strane vypnout telefony, obcas se z nich indukuje falesne > napeni na RSSI. Podobne to plati pri zaklicovani vysilacky! Draty z RSSI > jsme meli vyvedene ven z uzavrene trubky, abysme mohli mit roury > zavickovane. Vicka mame hodne natesno a pri uzavirani se muze s trubkou > hnout a cela prace je pak v ... > > Pripravna (_volitelna_) faze. > 1) misto TX infra vlozit do vysilaci trubky krabicku s klasickou > cervenou LED (HPWT-BD00-F4000) > 2) na blizky barak (cca 100m) zjistit ohnisko (co nejmensi kruh), > oznacit napriklad kde je predni sroub krabicky (tim se vyresi ohnisko a > zbydou pouze 2 stupne volnosti :) Z nalezeni ohniska nemejte prilis > obavy, na milimetrech nezalezi. > 3) zhruba zamerit vysilaci trubici pri cervene ledce (videt tu zari na > druhem konci stoji za to nevynechat tuto volitelnou cast, s infra si v > tomhto ohledu moc neuzijete) > 4) vyndat cervenou, vlozit infra krabicku > > Vlastni zamerovani: > > 1) zapnout vysilac (TX) > 2) overit zda sviti led v TX - fotakem, kamerou. Prostym okem je videt > jak se zhavi vlakno uvnitr LED (ale nedoporucuju do toho moc koukat - > osobne mam z infra respekt). Pripadne namirit TX a RX krabicky proti > sobe a zmerit RSSI (melo by byt lehce pod 4V) > 3) Na druhe strane zapnout kameru, zazoomovat na spravne misto > 4) hybat rourou vysilace, na strane prijimace se v kamere sleduje jak > moc velke svetlo prichazi - tedy cilem je nastavit vysilac na maximalni > svit (alespon zhruba; vysilac se jevi v kamere jako trochu rozmazany > svetly flek) > 5) pri maximu _napevno_ utahnout vysilac > 6) pripojit voltmetr na RSSI, hybat prijimaci trubkou (muze to trvat > celkem dlouho nez se trefite do vysilace) > 7) jakmile je tam nenulova hodnota - typicky 0.4 - 1mV je vyhrano (to > neni vtip, dozamereni je otazka 20 minut vcetne zatmeleni). Zakrytim > prijimace by melo napeti klesnout na 0mV > 8) utahnout srouby prijimace co to jde a neztratit pritom signal > 9) doladit vysilaci trubku - vychylovat jemne rukou do ruznych stran - > tim se zjisti jake srouby s gumama je nutne utahnout, protistrana hlasi > RSSI - typicky to obcas vylitne na 30 - 50mV, doladit pres gumy > 10) podobne jako 9) doladit pres gumy prijimac > > Stejne pro druhy smer. Tento postup je opakovatelny a na 800m je > spolehlivy. Predevsim je potreba minimalni vybaveni, coz chapu jako > nejvetsi vyhodu. > > Par fotek nakonec: > elektronika: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_0030.JPG > mechanika pripravena na "expedici": > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4545.JPG > ruda zare: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4685.JPG > kam to miri: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4701.JPG > ronja zasilikonovana: > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4704.JPG > napeti pri zacinajici mlze: > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4710.JPG > zacinajici mlha: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4711.JPG > APcko: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4714.JPG > twister+router+chaos v kabelech ;) : > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4723.JPG > > Konec slohoveho cviceni, prijemne infra zamerovani :) > Moti > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Dec 14 05:16:23 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_S=FDkora?=) Date: Tue Dec 14 05:17:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) In-Reply-To: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> Message-ID: <41BE7727.4010804@kbx.cz> Gratuluju Moti... Je videt, ze jste nezmrzli. Ted jeste aby vam to v zime nezamrzavalo :) K Michal Toman wrote: > Cau, > > jelikoz jsem nikde nenasel nejaky jednoduse realizovatelny postup pro > zamereni infra ronjy, tak jsem se rozhodl popsat nasi zamerovaci akci > pekne krok po kroku. Zamerne vypustim prubeh prvotnich pokusu, ktere > byly slepe cesty a staly nas hodne casu na mrazu a bohuzel i zasadni > problemy s obyvateli naseho panelaku (to by ale byl jiny pribeh - > spolecna strecha, duchodci, prudici - mnozi to znate). Nakonec se nam > povedlo prijit na pomerne jednoduchy a predevsim opakovatelny postup > zamerovani. > > Predne technicka data toho spoje: > * vzdalenost: 800m > * z, do: z vytahove budky panelaku (6 pater) do vetsiho rodinneho domu > (3 patra) > * ucel: paterni spoj Pilsfree (AP router-moti - AP router-jakub) > * misto: Plzen (Doubravka) > * verze: infra podle modifikace co poslal Rys > * elektronika: vrabcak, beha na 3m, vic nebyl prostor, F konekroty na > twisteru - cpat koax do cokolady ne-e :( > * mechanika: klasicke provedeni, drzak na stozar > * RSSI 160mV (jede to bez packetlossu i na 60mV pri mensi mlze) > > Zamerovani: > > Pomucky nutne > * kamera - pouzili jsme obycejnou analogovou (zoom 14x bohate stacil), > meli jsme 2 a ta levnejsi "brala" infra lepe nez drazsi. Asi mela horsi > CCD, ktery snimal infra vic. Manualni ostreni je velkou vyhodou, kamera > se v noci moc nechyta. Doporucuju zalozni baterie nebo napajeni ze site. > Digitalni fotak je nevhodny, nevim presne proc, ale infra v nem na tu > vzdalenost neni pro nas ucel videt dostatecne. > > * vysilacky - meli jsme jak vysilacky pro volne pasmo, tak pro > radioamaterske pasmo, zadny rozdil. Zalozni baterky vyhodou, nam > vydrzely v pohode. > > * voltmetr - pro mereni RSSI jsme meli 2 voltmetry - jeden za 148Kc a > druhy za cca 3000Kc. Tady bych doporucoval si vypujcit od nekoho ten > lepsi voltmetr, ktery dokaze merit spolehlive i napeti okolo 1mV. > > Pomucky doplnkove (nepovine, ale mohou ulehcit nebo spis zpestrit > praci): > > * imitace vysilace ve viditelnem spektru - krabicky s klasickou cervenou > ledkou - staci krabicka, 2 dratky, ledka a 200ohm odpor... pripojit na > 12V co jde do vyhrivani cocek. Vyznam viz nize. > > * vystrizeny kruh z pauzaku velikosti prumeru trubky, pripevneny na oko > z dratu - pro zjisteni ohniska (smysl zrejmy) > > Postup: > > Vsechno je nutne delat v noci, dobra viditelnost je vyhodou. Na > prijimaci strane vypnout telefony, obcas se z nich indukuje falesne > napeni na RSSI. Podobne to plati pri zaklicovani vysilacky! Draty z RSSI > jsme meli vyvedene ven z uzavrene trubky, abysme mohli mit roury > zavickovane. Vicka mame hodne natesno a pri uzavirani se muze s trubkou > hnout a cela prace je pak v ... > > Pripravna (_volitelna_) faze. > 1) misto TX infra vlozit do vysilaci trubky krabicku s klasickou > cervenou LED (HPWT-BD00-F4000) > 2) na blizky barak (cca 100m) zjistit ohnisko (co nejmensi kruh), > oznacit napriklad kde je predni sroub krabicky (tim se vyresi ohnisko a > zbydou pouze 2 stupne volnosti :) Z nalezeni ohniska nemejte prilis > obavy, na milimetrech nezalezi. > 3) zhruba zamerit vysilaci trubici pri cervene ledce (videt tu zari na > druhem konci stoji za to nevynechat tuto volitelnou cast, s infra si v > tomhto ohledu moc neuzijete) > 4) vyndat cervenou, vlozit infra krabicku > > Vlastni zamerovani: > > 1) zapnout vysilac (TX) > 2) overit zda sviti led v TX - fotakem, kamerou. Prostym okem je videt > jak se zhavi vlakno uvnitr LED (ale nedoporucuju do toho moc koukat - > osobne mam z infra respekt). Pripadne namirit TX a RX krabicky proti > sobe a zmerit RSSI (melo by byt lehce pod 4V) > 3) Na druhe strane zapnout kameru, zazoomovat na spravne misto > 4) hybat rourou vysilace, na strane prijimace se v kamere sleduje jak > moc velke svetlo prichazi - tedy cilem je nastavit vysilac na maximalni > svit (alespon zhruba; vysilac se jevi v kamere jako trochu rozmazany > svetly flek) > 5) pri maximu _napevno_ utahnout vysilac > 6) pripojit voltmetr na RSSI, hybat prijimaci trubkou (muze to trvat > celkem dlouho nez se trefite do vysilace) > 7) jakmile je tam nenulova hodnota - typicky 0.4 - 1mV je vyhrano (to > neni vtip, dozamereni je otazka 20 minut vcetne zatmeleni). Zakrytim > prijimace by melo napeti klesnout na 0mV > 8) utahnout srouby prijimace co to jde a neztratit pritom signal > 9) doladit vysilaci trubku - vychylovat jemne rukou do ruznych stran - > tim se zjisti jake srouby s gumama je nutne utahnout, protistrana hlasi > RSSI - typicky to obcas vylitne na 30 - 50mV, doladit pres gumy > 10) podobne jako 9) doladit pres gumy prijimac > > Stejne pro druhy smer. Tento postup je opakovatelny a na 800m je > spolehlivy. Predevsim je potreba minimalni vybaveni, coz chapu jako > nejvetsi vyhodu. > > Par fotek nakonec: > elektronika: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_0030.JPG > mechanika pripravena na "expedici": > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4545.JPG > ruda zare: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4685.JPG > kam to miri: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4701.JPG > ronja zasilikonovana: > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4704.JPG > napeti pri zacinajici mlze: > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4710.JPG > zacinajici mlha: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4711.JPG > APcko: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4714.JPG > twister+router+chaos v kabelech ;) : > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4723.JPG > > Konec slohoveho cviceni, prijemne infra zamerovani :) > Moti > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 14 10:44:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Dec 14 10:45:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) In-Reply-To: <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:50:13AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Jeste poznamky: > 1) Clock tu bude asi kricet, ze tahle infra Ronja tu nema co bejt protoze to > neni jeho Ronja :)) Rekli cim se lisi (vymenena ledka a odpor) a zbytek je podle Ronji, takze zdrojaky jsou de facto publikovany, a tudiz to vyhovuje "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects other than Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." (http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php) Cl< From looshichang at hotmail.com Tue Dec 14 18:28:34 2004 From: looshichang at hotmail.com (LOO SHI CHANG) Date: Tue Dec 14 18:29:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] How to configure twister running in WinXP OS? Message-ID: Hi Clock or anyone who can help me, I have built up 2 set of tetrapolis but having no idea how to configure it. I'm running on WinXP, unfortunately I don't know how to use linux. Hope anyone can help me with this. Thanks in advance. BTW, I have built in NIC. Regards, looshichang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041215/fd4bbc86/attachment.htm From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 14 19:49:07 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 14 19:50:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <41BE7727.4010804@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <001401c4e215$f9aa61a0$0101a8c0@cz> Lidi bacha ted v zime. Je fakt zima az prasti. Ted jsem prisel z me testovaci linky....jsem na balkone zameroval 30 minut. A necitim prsty...jdu nekam na caj ani psat na klavesnici moc nemuzu jak mam ztuhle prsty. Takze mimo voltmetru...i rukavice na strechy sebou. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub S?kora" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) > Gratuluju Moti... > > Je videt, ze jste nezmrzli. Ted jeste aby vam to v zime nezamrzavalo :) > > K > > Michal Toman wrote: > > Cau, > > > > jelikoz jsem nikde nenasel nejaky jednoduse realizovatelny postup pro > > zamereni infra ronjy, tak jsem se rozhodl popsat nasi zamerovaci akci > > pekne krok po kroku. Zamerne vypustim prubeh prvotnich pokusu, ktere > > byly slepe cesty a staly nas hodne casu na mrazu a bohuzel i zasadni > > problemy s obyvateli naseho panelaku (to by ale byl jiny pribeh - > > spolecna strecha, duchodci, prudici - mnozi to znate). Nakonec se nam > > povedlo prijit na pomerne jednoduchy a predevsim opakovatelny postup > > zamerovani. > > > > Predne technicka data toho spoje: > > * vzdalenost: 800m > > * z, do: z vytahove budky panelaku (6 pater) do vetsiho rodinneho domu > > (3 patra) > > * ucel: paterni spoj Pilsfree (AP router-moti - AP router-jakub) > > * misto: Plzen (Doubravka) > > * verze: infra podle modifikace co poslal Rys > > * elektronika: vrabcak, beha na 3m, vic nebyl prostor, F konekroty na > > twisteru - cpat koax do cokolady ne-e :( > > * mechanika: klasicke provedeni, drzak na stozar > > * RSSI 160mV (jede to bez packetlossu i na 60mV pri mensi mlze) > > > > Zamerovani: > > > > Pomucky nutne > > * kamera - pouzili jsme obycejnou analogovou (zoom 14x bohate stacil), > > meli jsme 2 a ta levnejsi "brala" infra lepe nez drazsi. Asi mela horsi > > CCD, ktery snimal infra vic. Manualni ostreni je velkou vyhodou, kamera > > se v noci moc nechyta. Doporucuju zalozni baterie nebo napajeni ze site. > > Digitalni fotak je nevhodny, nevim presne proc, ale infra v nem na tu > > vzdalenost neni pro nas ucel videt dostatecne. > > > > * vysilacky - meli jsme jak vysilacky pro volne pasmo, tak pro > > radioamaterske pasmo, zadny rozdil. Zalozni baterky vyhodou, nam > > vydrzely v pohode. > > > > * voltmetr - pro mereni RSSI jsme meli 2 voltmetry - jeden za 148Kc a > > druhy za cca 3000Kc. Tady bych doporucoval si vypujcit od nekoho ten > > lepsi voltmetr, ktery dokaze merit spolehlive i napeti okolo 1mV. > > > > Pomucky doplnkove (nepovine, ale mohou ulehcit nebo spis zpestrit > > praci): > > > > * imitace vysilace ve viditelnem spektru - krabicky s klasickou cervenou > > ledkou - staci krabicka, 2 dratky, ledka a 200ohm odpor... pripojit na > > 12V co jde do vyhrivani cocek. Vyznam viz nize. > > > > * vystrizeny kruh z pauzaku velikosti prumeru trubky, pripevneny na oko > > z dratu - pro zjisteni ohniska (smysl zrejmy) > > > > Postup: > > > > Vsechno je nutne delat v noci, dobra viditelnost je vyhodou. Na > > prijimaci strane vypnout telefony, obcas se z nich indukuje falesne > > napeni na RSSI. Podobne to plati pri zaklicovani vysilacky! Draty z RSSI > > jsme meli vyvedene ven z uzavrene trubky, abysme mohli mit roury > > zavickovane. Vicka mame hodne natesno a pri uzavirani se muze s trubkou > > hnout a cela prace je pak v ... > > > > Pripravna (_volitelna_) faze. > > 1) misto TX infra vlozit do vysilaci trubky krabicku s klasickou > > cervenou LED (HPWT-BD00-F4000) > > 2) na blizky barak (cca 100m) zjistit ohnisko (co nejmensi kruh), > > oznacit napriklad kde je predni sroub krabicky (tim se vyresi ohnisko a > > zbydou pouze 2 stupne volnosti :) Z nalezeni ohniska nemejte prilis > > obavy, na milimetrech nezalezi. > > 3) zhruba zamerit vysilaci trubici pri cervene ledce (videt tu zari na > > druhem konci stoji za to nevynechat tuto volitelnou cast, s infra si v > > tomhto ohledu moc neuzijete) > > 4) vyndat cervenou, vlozit infra krabicku > > > > Vlastni zamerovani: > > > > 1) zapnout vysilac (TX) > > 2) overit zda sviti led v TX - fotakem, kamerou. Prostym okem je videt > > jak se zhavi vlakno uvnitr LED (ale nedoporucuju do toho moc koukat - > > osobne mam z infra respekt). Pripadne namirit TX a RX krabicky proti > > sobe a zmerit RSSI (melo by byt lehce pod 4V) > > 3) Na druhe strane zapnout kameru, zazoomovat na spravne misto > > 4) hybat rourou vysilace, na strane prijimace se v kamere sleduje jak > > moc velke svetlo prichazi - tedy cilem je nastavit vysilac na maximalni > > svit (alespon zhruba; vysilac se jevi v kamere jako trochu rozmazany > > svetly flek) > > 5) pri maximu _napevno_ utahnout vysilac > > 6) pripojit voltmetr na RSSI, hybat prijimaci trubkou (muze to trvat > > celkem dlouho nez se trefite do vysilace) > > 7) jakmile je tam nenulova hodnota - typicky 0.4 - 1mV je vyhrano (to > > neni vtip, dozamereni je otazka 20 minut vcetne zatmeleni). Zakrytim > > prijimace by melo napeti klesnout na 0mV > > 8) utahnout srouby prijimace co to jde a neztratit pritom signal > > 9) doladit vysilaci trubku - vychylovat jemne rukou do ruznych stran - > > tim se zjisti jake srouby s gumama je nutne utahnout, protistrana hlasi > > RSSI - typicky to obcas vylitne na 30 - 50mV, doladit pres gumy > > 10) podobne jako 9) doladit pres gumy prijimac > > > > Stejne pro druhy smer. Tento postup je opakovatelny a na 800m je > > spolehlivy. Predevsim je potreba minimalni vybaveni, coz chapu jako > > nejvetsi vyhodu. > > > > Par fotek nakonec: > > elektronika: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_0030.JPG > > mechanika pripravena na "expedici": > > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4545.JPG > > ruda zare: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4685.JPG > > kam to miri: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4701.JPG > > ronja zasilikonovana: > > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4704.JPG > > napeti pri zacinajici mlze: > > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4710.JPG > > zacinajici mlha: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4711.JPG > > APcko: http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4714.JPG > > twister+router+chaos v kabelech ;) : > > http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~mtoman/privat/ronja/IMG_4723.JPG > > > > Konec slohoveho cviceni, prijemne infra zamerovani :) > > Moti > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 14 19:51:21 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 14 19:52:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001b01c4e216$492780a0$0101a8c0@cz> Pravda...i ja na http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/ publikuji vysledky. Dulezitejsi je, ze to bezi. A jak jsem se mohl dozvedet dle me upravy nejdelsi link je tusim asi 1560m. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) > On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:50:13AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Jeste poznamky: > > 1) Clock tu bude asi kricet, ze tahle infra Ronja tu nema co bejt protoze to > > neni jeho Ronja :)) > > Rekli cim se lisi (vymenena ledka a odpor) a zbytek je podle Ronji, takze > zdrojaky jsou de facto publikovany, a tudiz to vyhovuje > "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects other than > Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." > (http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Dec 14 20:22:40 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Dec 14 20:23:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) In-Reply-To: <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> KK> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:50:13AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: >> Jeste poznamky: >> 1) Clock tu bude asi kricet, ze tahle infra Ronja tu nema co bejt protoze to >> neni jeho Ronja :)) KK> Rekli cim se lisi (vymenena ledka a odpor) a zbytek je podle Ronji, takze KK> zdrojaky jsou de facto publikovany, a tudiz to vyhovuje And 3 or 4 IC in Tx ? Ondra KK> "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects other than KK> Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." KK> (http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php) KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jakub at pilsfree.net Tue Dec 14 20:38:59 2004 From: jakub at pilsfree.net (=?UTF-8?B?SmFrdWIgVmVsZWJuw70=?=) Date: Tue Dec 14 20:39:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) In-Reply-To: <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> Message-ID: <41BF4F63.4020900@pilsfree.net> Ondrej Tesar wrote: >KK> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:50:13AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > >>>Jeste poznamky: >>>1) Clock tu bude asi kricet, ze tahle infra Ronja tu nema co bejt protoze to >>>neni jeho Ronja :)) >>> >>> > >KK> Rekli cim se lisi (vymenena ledka a odpor) a zbytek je podle Ronji, takze >KK> zdrojaky jsou de facto publikovany, a tudiz to vyhovuje > >And 3 or 4 IC in Tx ? >Ondra > > Ano a je?t? n?jak? drobnost ,mysl?m ?e odpor. J? k dan?mu spoji d?lal mechaniku, tak tohle ?lo trochu mimu m?, ale 4 IC jsem tam vid?l. Jakub Velebn? >KK> "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects other than >KK> Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." >KK> (http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php) > >KK> Cl< > >KK> _______________________________________________ >KK> Ronja mailing list >KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 14 22:00:11 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 14 22:01:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000e01c4e228$4b681ca0$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:22 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) > > > KK> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:50:13AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > >> Jeste poznamky: > >> 1) Clock tu bude asi kricet, ze tahle infra Ronja tu nema co bejt protoze to > >> neni jeho Ronja :)) > > KK> Rekli cim se lisi (vymenena ledka a odpor) a zbytek je podle Ronji, takze > KK> zdrojaky jsou de facto publikovany, a tudiz to vyhovuje > 4 IC and in RX give SFH2030F no SFH2030. Caution ... TX wanted 7805 in 1A TO220 , too much current. -=RYS=- > And 3 or 4 IC in Tx ? > Ondra > > KK> "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects other than > KK> Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." > KK> (http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php) > > KK> Cl< > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 14 22:02:07 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 14 22:03:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> <41BF4F63.4020900@pilsfree.net> Message-ID: <001501c4e228$8e532780$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Velebn?" To: "Ondrej Tesar" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) > Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > >KK> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:50:13AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > > >>>Jeste poznamky: > >>>1) Clock tu bude asi kricet, ze tahle infra Ronja tu nema co bejt protoze to > >>>neni jeho Ronja :)) > >>> > >>> > > > >KK> Rekli cim se lisi (vymenena ledka a odpor) a zbytek je podle Ronji, takze > >KK> zdrojaky jsou de facto publikovany, a tudiz to vyhovuje > > > >And 3 or 4 IC in Tx ? > >Ondra > > > > > Ano a je?t? n?jak? drobnost ,mysl?m ?e odpor. J? k dan?mu spoji d?lal > mechaniku, tak tohle ?lo trochu mimu m?, ale 4 IC jsem tam vid?l. I pres to to bude topit. Odber se blizi 700mA. Samotna infra LED ma odber 140-160mA. Je dobre tam naprat 7805 pro 1A v TO220. -=RYS=- > > Jakub Velebn? > > >KK> "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects other than > >KK> Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." > >KK> (http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php) > > > >KK> Cl< > > > >KK> _______________________________________________ > >KK> Ronja mailing list > >KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 14 22:18:19 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 14 22:19:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> <000e01c4e228$4b681ca0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <000801c4e22a$d14b66e0$0101a8c0@cz> I add info in : http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230 Infra red version Ronja by -=RYS=- (Martin Patera, OK1MJO) =========================================================== 1) In RX part change rx photodiode on type SFH2030F (or other infra red photodiode). 2) In TX part change tx diode HPWT LED on type HSDL-4230. 3) In TX part change R11 8R2 on 4R7. ( ! I = 140-160mA ) 4) In TX part add one 74HC04 (4x IC). 5) In TX part dimension U4 for 1A. -=RYS=- > > > > > > > KK> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:50:13AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > >> Jeste poznamky: > > >> 1) Clock tu bude asi kricet, ze tahle infra Ronja tu nema co bejt > protoze to > > >> neni jeho Ronja :)) > > > > KK> Rekli cim se lisi (vymenena ledka a odpor) a zbytek je podle Ronji, > takze > > KK> zdrojaky jsou de facto publikovany, a tudiz to vyhovuje > > > > 4 IC and in RX give SFH2030F no SFH2030. > Caution ... TX wanted 7805 in 1A TO220 , too much current. > > -=RYS=- > > > > > And 3 or 4 IC in Tx ? > > Ondra > > > > KK> "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects > other than > > KK> Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." > > KK> (http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php) > > > > KK> Cl< From kendy at hkfree.org Wed Dec 15 00:33:32 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Wed Dec 15 00:34:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) In-Reply-To: <000801c4e22a$d14b66e0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> <000e01c4e228$4b681ca0$0101a8c0@cz> <000801c4e22a$d14b66e0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <41BF865C.3040203@hkfree.org> Koukam napr do GME a tam 2030F nemaji... Kde je kupujes ? Kendy HKfree -=RYS=- napsal(a): > I add info in : > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230 > > > Infra red version Ronja by -=RYS=- (Martin Patera, OK1MJO) > =========================================================== > > 1) In RX part change rx photodiode on type SFH2030F (or other infra red > photodiode). > > > 2) In TX part change tx diode HPWT LED on type HSDL-4230. > 3) In TX part change R11 8R2 on 4R7. ( ! I = 140-160mA ) > 4) In TX part add one 74HC04 (4x IC). > 5) In TX part dimension U4 for 1A. > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > >>> >>>KK> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:50:13AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: >>> >>>>>Jeste poznamky: >>>>>1) Clock tu bude asi kricet, ze tahle infra Ronja tu nema co bejt >> >>protoze to >> >>>>>neni jeho Ronja :)) >>> >>>KK> Rekli cim se lisi (vymenena ledka a odpor) a zbytek je podle Ronji, >> >>takze >> >>>KK> zdrojaky jsou de facto publikovany, a tudiz to vyhovuje >>> >> >>4 IC and in RX give SFH2030F no SFH2030. >>Caution ... TX wanted 7805 in 1A TO220 , too much current. >> >>-=RYS=- >> >> >> >> >>>And 3 or 4 IC in Tx ? >>>Ondra >>> >>>KK> "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects >> >>other than >> >>>KK> Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." >>>KK> (http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php) >>> >>>KK> Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Dec 15 07:41:51 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Dec 15 07:42:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200412122132.04336.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200412150841.51589.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Treba logix, tetrix Radim mezi navrhy, tak jako vsechny ostatni co jste poslali. Vyhnul bych se nejakym zminkach o xilinxu v nazvu, protoze to lze syntetizovat (prelozit) i pro programovatelna pole jinych vyrobcu. Jen ten xilinx je zjevne v nasich koncinach nejdostupnejsi. Ale napriklad firma altera (konkurent xilinxu) ma free vyvojove prostredi pod linux - jeste jsem ho ale nevidel. Presna kategorie do ktere ten obvod XC9572XL, na kterym jsem to vybudoval je: CPLD - Complex Programmable Logic Device Pro nektere tazatele, ackoliv uz jsem to sem nekolikrat psal: 1) XC9572XL stoji (aktualne) u www.asix.cz 84k? +DPH (10 a vice kusu, ale i kusovka bez problemu) 2) programovat se da jednodchym donglem na paralelni port (bud jen draty, nebo s oddelovacem na bazi 74HC244 a pod.) 3) Programovaci soft kategorie GPL k dispozici (programovaci ve smyslu napalit do brouka) 4) Vyvojove prostredi potrebne k synteze (vygenerovani programovaciho souboru ze zdrojaku) Je free pod wokna ale s uspechem pouzivam pouze pod wine na linuxu) 4a) k dispozici tzv. webfitter, coz je vse, pro prelozeni a syntezu zdrojaku do .jed souboru (ten co se uz nacpe do xilinxe), coz je webove rozhrani na www.xilinx.com, tedy netreba nic instalovat, pokud napr. nechcete mit v pocitaci ani jednu wokenni aplikaci. 5) ladit kod ve verilogu lze s uspechem pomoci GPL nastroje icarus verilog. A ted se ptam ja, jakou ze tam ma (muj byvaly spoluzak z felu) mrx111 chybu? Ja s jeho navrhem nemam vubec, ale vubec nic spolecneho. Vsechno co v navrhu je, je kombinaci know-how clockova(40%), meho (50%) a jeste cloveka jmenem Vladimir Arnost (10%). Nevim proc bych tam mel mit stejnou chybu. Pokud neumite popsat primo chybu, popiste primo dusledek a ja si to zde odsimuluju a uvidim, jestli se neco podobneho muze projevit i u mne. Kazdopadne, pri mnoha milionech paketu se neprojevil vubec zadny packet loss (ale testovano bez optiky, jen proti twistru pripojenemu kousky dratu) Jakub > > > Od Clocka bych potreboval vedet, jestli smim pouzivat nazev ronja. > > Dokud to nebude zarazeny v Ronje tak ne :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 09:00:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 09:00:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Download quickly! Keep panic! Message-ID: <20041215090004.GA23706@beton.cybernet.src> If you need to download something from Ronja for building, act quickly! Ronja has been slashdotted (for a second time) so it may go down: http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/04/12/14/2357224.shtml?tid=126&tid=137&tid=117&tid=8 Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 09:02:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 09:02:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Coral cache of Ronja Message-ID: <20041215090215.GA23737@beton.cybernet.src> If Ronja goes unusably slow, use this: http://ronja.twibright.com.nyud.net:8090/ Cl< From moti at pilsfree.net Wed Dec 15 10:41:55 2004 From: moti at pilsfree.net (Michal Toman) Date: Wed Dec 15 10:42:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) In-Reply-To: <41BF865C.3040203@hkfree.org> References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> <000e01c4e228$4b681ca0$0101a8c0@cz> <000801c4e22a$d14b66e0$0101a8c0@cz> <41BF865C.3040203@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <1103107315.8293.17.camel@lama64> Zdar, Koupil jsem ekvivalent v GME SFH203FA - beha bez problemu, F znamena, ze ma filtr (je cerna). Doporucuju odladit s klasickou cervenou a az potom zmenit. Pokud pri testovani ve viditelnem spektru pouzivate BPW43 v prijimaci, tak se nedeste relativne maleho dosahu bez optiky (lehce pres metr je ok), zmenou za infra dosahnete daleko lepsich vysledku. Moti On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 01:33 +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Koukam napr do GME a tam 2030F nemaji... > > Kde je kupujes ? > > > > Kendy > HKfree > > -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > I add info in : > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230 > > > > > > Infra red version Ronja by -=RYS=- (Martin Patera, OK1MJO) > > =========================================================== > > > > 1) In RX part change rx photodiode on type SFH2030F (or other infra red > > photodiode). > > > > > > 2) In TX part change tx diode HPWT LED on type HSDL-4230. > > 3) In TX part change R11 8R2 on 4R7. ( ! I = 140-160mA ) > > 4) In TX part add one 74HC04 (4x IC). > > 5) In TX part dimension U4 for 1A. > > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Dec 15 11:41:04 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Dec 15 11:43:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <200412150841.51589.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> > A ted se ptam ja, jakou ze tam ma (muj byvaly spoluzak z felu) mrx111 chybu? Predesilam ze jeho naprogramovany xilinx jsem mohl merit jenom zvenci, kod pro XC9536 jsem nemel v ruce. Nicmene disassemblovany kod pro spolupracujici AT89C2051 mam a muzu na pozadani predlozit. Problem byl v tom, ze /podle mereni/ si prilis zjednodusil detekci idle/1MHz - data ve smeru z optiky do UTP - obcas tam "prosakovalo" neco co nemelo. Vtip byl v tom ze pri zadratovani interface - interface se to neprojevilo. Pri pripojeni opticke casti se to projevovalo v ruzne mire. Tvuj VHDL zdrojak nekdy ze srpna??? stazeny z webu vykazoval podobne symptomy, prota ta obava. Podobny problem jsem mel i ve vlastni verzi, kde to bylo zpusobeno nerespektovanim casovani v pouzitem obvodu. Petr > Ja s jeho navrhem nemam vubec, ale vubec nic spolecneho. Vsechno co v navrhu > je, je kombinaci know-how clockova(40%), meho (50%) a jeste cloveka jmenem > Vladimir Arnost (10%). > Nevim proc bych tam mel mit stejnou chybu. > Pokud neumite popsat primo chybu, popiste primo dusledek a ja si to zde > odsimuluju a uvidim, jestli se neco podobneho muze projevit i u mne. > > Kazdopadne, pri mnoha milionech paketu se neprojevil vubec zadny packet loss > (ale testovano bez optiky, jen proti twistru pripojenemu kousky dratu) > > Jakub > From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 15:05:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 15:05:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] XLiveCD Message-ID: <20041215150526.GA26558@beton.cybernet.src> "XLiveCD allows users of Microsoft Windows to connect to remote Unix computers, run graphical applications and have the graphics displayed on their desktops. The software runs from the CD without being installed." http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 15:10:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 15:10:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> References: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> Message-ID: <20041215151008.GC26558@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 12:41:04PM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > > > A ted se ptam ja, jakou ze tam ma (muj byvaly spoluzak z felu) mrx111 chybu? > > Predesilam ze jeho naprogramovany xilinx jsem mohl merit jenom zvenci, kod pro > XC9536 jsem nemel v ruce. Nicmene disassemblovany kod pro spolupracujici > AT89C2051 mam a muzu na pozadani predlozit. Tak uz ho na pozadani predloz :) Uz jsem o to tusim zadal. Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Dec 15 15:34:29 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Wed Dec 15 15:35:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] XLiveCD In-Reply-To: <20041215150526.GA26558@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041215150526.GA26558@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41C05985.9010802@sattnet.cz> Ji? del?? dobu :-P je mo?n? vyu??t protokol SSH k tunelov?n? provozu ze vzd?len?ho po??ta?e a podpora forwardov?n? X11 protokolu. Postup: <>Nejprve mus?me m?t na lok?ln?m po??ta?i nainstalovan? a spu?t?n? X server. Velmi kvalitn? X server je sou??st? Cygwin/X . Zde mus?te *minim?ln?* nainstalovat 'X11 base' a 'X-startup-scripts' v?etn? zachov?n? z?vislot?, kter? nab?dne instala?n? program. <>D?le je nutn? zkontrolovat zda-li nam SSH daemon na vzd?len?m PC forward povol?. Proto otev?eme /etc/ssh/sshd_config a najdeme radek s "X11Forwarding yes". Ve v?t?in? p??pad? je defaultn? povoleno. Nyn? m??ete spustit X server z adres??e c:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin pomoc? d?vky startxwin.bat. Otev?e se v?m na desktopu n?sleduj?c? okno: PuTTY Na ?vodn? obrazovce je zapot?eb? vyplnit n?zev serveru, ke kter?mu se p?ipojujete, zvolit komunika?n? protokol SSH a ??slo portu (defaultn? TCP port 22): V z?lo?ce Connection, SSH, Tunnels je zapot?eb? zvolit X11 forwarding a zadat X display location (defaultn? localhost:0). Nyn? se lze pomoc? tla??tka *Open* p?ipojit ke vzd?len0mu syst?mu: Po p?ihl??en? ke vzd?len?mu syst?mu (u?ivatelsk? jm?no a heslo) m??ete spou?t?t X Window aplikace. Jejich v?stup bude sm?rov?n do va?eho lok?ln?ho X serveru v OS Windows. ?ili nen? pot?eba stahovat pro n?koho smrteln? velik? (~330MB) image >:o . Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): >"XLiveCD allows users of Microsoft Windows to connect to remote Unix computers, >run graphical applications and have the graphics displayed on their desktops. >The software runs from the CD without being installed." > >http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 15:46:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 15:47:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <41792A49.4050102@web.de> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> <20041210104739.GB5070@beton.cybernet.src> <418E5F9E.10700@web.de> <20041210185030.GA26164@beton.cybernet.src> <41792A49.4050102@web.de> Message-ID: <20041215154658.GB6066@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 05:42:01PM +0200, shamanu8@web.de wrote: > photos... :) Thanks. I have uploaded them into the gallery. I plan to add if-statements into the guide and those pictures on first suitable occassion. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 18:13:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 18:13:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] How to configure twister running in WinXP OS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041215181329.GA29306@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 02:28:34AM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: > Hi Clock or anyone who can help me, > > I have built up 2 set of tetrapolis but having no idea how to > configure it. I'm running on WinXP, unfortunately I don't know how to use > linux. > > Hope anyone can help me with this. Thanks in advance. BTW, I have built in > NIC. Try to look here: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaSetupHints Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 18:16:28 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 18:16:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) In-Reply-To: <000801c4e22a$d14b66e0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> <000e01c4e228$4b681ca0$0101a8c0@cz> <000801c4e22a$d14b66e0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041215181628.GB29306@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:18:19PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > I add info in : > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230 May I please use this photo in Ronja gallery ?: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/sfh2030f.jpg Cl< From looshichang at hotmail.com Wed Dec 15 18:24:54 2004 From: looshichang at hotmail.com (LOO SHICHANG) Date: Wed Dec 15 18:25:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] How to configure twister running in WinXP OS? In-Reply-To: <20041215181329.GA29306@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041215/4f5b4a4c/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 18:55:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 18:55:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Stabilizator a piny pro prepinace In-Reply-To: <200412080933.iB89XIe13641@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz> References: <20041201172618.GA20442@beton.cybernet.src> <200412080933.iB89XIe13641@serverlinux.chrudim-city.cz> Message-ID: <20041215185531.GA29805@beton.cybernet.src> > OK, znamena to tedy, ze mam pridat dva dalsi 10n ke stabilizatoru (viz novy > obr. directly.png na Vasich strankach) a ty dva, ktere mam na desce navic > (viz zlute oznacene na prilozenem obr.) mam nechat nebo odletovat? > Na schematu jsou tyto kondenzatory 4 celkem, takze bych predpoklal, ze bych > je mel odletovat, ale radeji se ptam. Nechte je. Kondenzatory navic nevadi. > > "Take another pair of 10n" jsem si toti? prelozil jako "Vem dalsi/jiny par > 10n" - nebo to ma byt "vem (ten) druhy par 10n"? another znamena nejaky dalsi jiny, viz napr. slovnik.zcu.cz > > Pokud je mam odletovat, tak ve chvili, kdy si budu nechat vyrabet dal?? > twistery to firma opet naletuje a ja je budu pokazde davat pryc. > Bude to opraveno v nekterych dalsich vydanich pro gerber? Ne, to je tam schvalne takhle. Akorat opravim ten otoceny stabilak kvuli kteremu se hur montuje chladic kdyz to clovek montuje nejak nestandardne a nechava stabilak na desce. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 19:02:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 19:02:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] How to configure twister running in WinXP OS? In-Reply-To: References: <20041215181329.GA29306@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041215190209.GA29938@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 06:24:54PM +0000, LOO SHICHANG wrote: Please don't use emails without body. They are hard to reply to. > Thanks for the reply. From what I can understand from the site is that > the linux is only way to configure the device, am I right? No: "Software Requirements You need an operating system and software equipment (user application) that support the following features: * Driver for the network card capable of setting the card into full duplex. Without this, you get just half duplex even with autonegotiation. * Internet Protocol (IP) * Manipulating ARP table. Possibility to establish permament (manual) ARP table entries is required for testing Ronja 10M Metropolis. * Sniffing Ethernet frames or IP packets. Required only for testing. * Setting the NIC into promiscuous mode is required for testing Ronja Tetrapolis. * Automatic repeated sending of ICMP Echo Requests on user's request. Required for testing Tetrapolis. 56-byte and 1400-byte requests are required. 1-second and zero-second delay between consecutive packets must be supported. Cisco-style timing where next packets is sent immediately upon reception of the previous is also highly recommended for the testing." http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/modules.php An OS that fulfills these requirements is suitable. I think many people run Ronja with Windows. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 19:02:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 19:02:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <41792A49.4050102@web.de> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> <20041210104739.GB5070@beton.cybernet.src> <418E5F9E.10700@web.de> <20041210185030.GA26164@beton.cybernet.src> <41792A49.4050102@web.de> Message-ID: <20041215190237.GA29955@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 05:42:01PM +0200, shamanu8@web.de wrote: > photos... :) The cable on the photos, is it a Cat5e cable? Is't it some untwisted shielded 8-wire cable? The conductor colours appear strange to me. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 19:13:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 19:13:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: RONJA Installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041215191321.GA30094@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 01:40:12AM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: > Hi Clock, > > I've assembled 1 transmitter, receiver and twister. > Can I test it standalone without assemble another set? I mean test the Yes. Tetrapolis is one set, so perform tetrapolis testing. Cl< From vasko.lubomir at juko.sk Wed Dec 15 19:15:42 2004 From: vasko.lubomir at juko.sk (Lubo) Date: Wed Dec 15 19:16:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) Message-ID: M?m prosbu. Zh??am s??iastky na RONJU a je to dos? ?a?k?. Pros?m preto o radu: v ponuke firmy http://www.microdis.net/ je dos? komponentov pre stavbu RONJA (aj opto?leny), ale zna?enie predov?etk?m IO DS26LS32 ...31, ale aj in?ch je s r?znymi pr?ponami. R?d by som teda vedel, ak? IO pod?a tejto ponuky su v poriadku a ak? nie? ?akujem Lubik -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From shamanu8 at web.de Wed Dec 15 19:57:22 2004 From: shamanu8 at web.de (shamanu8@web.de) Date: Wed Dec 15 19:57:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <20041215190237.GA29955@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> <20041210104739.GB5070@beton.cybernet.src> <418E5F9E.10700@web.de> <20041210185030.GA26164@beton.cybernet.src> <41792A49.4050102@web.de> <20041215190237.GA29955@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <417BFAD1.2060008@web.de> I'm sure that it's a Cat5 Cable. Only if my supplyer is a liar it might be not. But there are different standarts how a cable can have, to get the name Cat5. standarts and colors: http://www.db1hz.de/pc/net/d_net_rj45.html (it's in german) Becouse there are different standarts, we can buy unshielded and shielded cables. I think i know the cable you "want"/mean. They are cheaper and have only 1 aluminium foil shield. Because they are less strong, i try always to get the better ones. Both of them are Cat5, it's like: you can always use a better one. Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 05:42:01PM +0200, shamanu8@web.de wrote: > > >>photos... :) >> >> > >The cable on the photos, is it a Cat5e cable? Is't it some untwisted >shielded 8-wire cable? The conductor colours appear strange to me. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From kero at matfyz.cz Wed Dec 15 20:18:40 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Wed Dec 15 20:19:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] How to configure twister running in WinXP OS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C09C20.4080205@matfyz.cz> It's not true, probably, it's just nobody has written instruction for windows. It is possible, since some ronja links ran on windows-windows. Try commands route,arp and ipconfig with switches /? (= ipconfig /?, arp /? and route /?) this will give you help. You can replace tcpdump with windump. http://windump.polito.it/ Do you need some other program? Look on google(or your favorite search engine) for "name_of_linux_program windows" it give you what you need very often. These are windows alternatives of programs on http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing.php , so try to adjust this page for windows. And maybe write instructions how to test it. If nobody does, then will never ever be this kind of manual. Nearly *all* ronja links runs on linux-linux since linux is for free and is good for routing, so linux is first choice. Is it alright? Kero LOO SHICHANG napsal(a): > Thanks for the reply. From what I can understand from the site is that > the linux is only way to configure the device, am I right? > > Will there be any other way other than that? or the device is design to > suit under linux os? > > Else I need to learn linux in order to test the device.. > > Once again, thanks for the early reply. > > Regards, > > looshichang > > >From: Karel Kulhavy > >Reply-To: Twibright Ronja > >To: Twibright Ronja > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] How to configure twister running in WinXP OS? > >Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:13:29 +0000 > > > >On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 02:28:34AM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: > > > Hi Clock or anyone who can help me, > > > > > > I have built up 2 set of tetrapolis but having no idea > how to > > > configure it. I'm running on WinXP, unfortunately I don't know how > to use > > > linux. > > > > > > Hope anyone can help me with this. Thanks in advance. BTW, I have > built in > > > NIC. > > > >Try to look here: > > > >http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaSetupHints > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Find answers fast with MSN Search BETA. > New look and improved > results. Give it a try! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 20:53:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 20:53:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041215205325.GA30509@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 08:15:42PM +0100, Lubo wrote: > M?m prosbu. > > Zh??am s??iastky na RONJU a je to dos? ?a?k?. > Pros?m preto o radu: > v ponuke firmy http://www.microdis.net/ je dos? komponentov pre stavbu > RONJA (aj opto?leny), ale zna?enie predov?etk?m IO DS26LS32 ...31, ale aj > in?ch je s r?znymi pr?ponami. R?d by som teda vedel, ak? IO pod?a tejto > ponuky su v poriadku a ak? nie? Suffixes are OK (except those explicitly forbidden in equivalents at the bottom of material lists). > > ?akujem Lubik > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ Tell your adware to stop inserting this line into emails. What client you are using can anyone read from "User-Agent: Opera M2/7.50 (Win32, build 3778)" Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 20:55:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 20:56:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <417BFAD1.2060008@web.de> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> <20041210104739.GB5070@beton.cybernet.src> <418E5F9E.10700@web.de> <20041210185030.GA26164@beton.cybernet.src> <41792A49.4050102@web.de> <20041215190237.GA29955@beton.cybernet.src> <417BFAD1.2060008@web.de> Message-ID: <20041215205545.GB30509@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 08:56:17PM +0200, shamanu8@web.de wrote: > I'm sure that it's a Cat5 Cable. Is there a line of text saying something about "Cat5" on the cable? Cl< > Only if my supplyer is a liar it might be not. > But there are different standarts how a cable can have, to get the name > Cat5. > > standarts and colors: > http://www.db1hz.de/pc/net/d_net_rj45.html > (it's in german) > > Becouse there are different standarts, we can buy unshielded and > shielded cables. > > I think i know the cable you "want"/mean. > They are cheaper and have only 1 aluminium foil shield. > > Because they are less strong, i try always to get the better ones. > > Both of them are Cat5, it's like: you can always use a better one. > > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > >On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 05:42:01PM +0200, shamanu8@web.de wrote: > > > > > >>photos... :) > >> > >> > > > >The cable on the photos, is it a Cat5e cable? Is't it some untwisted > >shielded 8-wire cable? The conductor colours appear strange to me. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 15 20:59:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 15 21:00:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <41C09BBB.30852.8420A@localhost> References: <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> <41C09BBB.30852.8420A@localhost> Message-ID: <20041215205956.GC30509@beton.cybernet.src> > Nezadal. > Je v priloze. Je tam i "surovy" disassembleru. A00de: djnz ACC,A00de mov A,#0ffh A00e3: djnz ACC,A00e3 mov A,#0ffh A00e8: djnz ACC,A00e8 mov A,#0ffh A00ed: djnz ACC,A00ed mov A,#0ffh A00f2: djnz ACC,A00f2 mov A,#0ffh A00f7: djnz ACC,A00f7 djnz dela djnz podle registru A? Tohle mi prijde jako ze programator bud zvetsoval smycku metodou cut-copy-paste a nebo nevedel jak udelat 2 vnorene smycky. To jsi mel na mysli? Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Dec 15 21:17:18 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Dec 15 21:18:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> References: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> Message-ID: <200412152217.18999.ladmanj@volny.cz> Detektory paketu jsou nyni zcela ale uplne jine. Chybu ale samozrejme nemohu absolutne vyloucit :-) Mimochodem je vstupni signal samplovan na 32MHz. Jakub Ladman On Wednesday 15 December 2004 12:41, Petr Seliger wrote: > > A ted se ptam ja, jakou ze tam ma (muj byvaly spoluzak z felu) mrx111 > > chybu? > > Predesilam ze jeho naprogramovany xilinx jsem mohl merit jenom zvenci, kod > pro XC9536 jsem nemel v ruce. Nicmene disassemblovany kod pro > spolupracujici AT89C2051 mam a muzu na pozadani predlozit. > Problem byl v tom, ze /podle mereni/ si prilis zjednodusil detekci > idle/1MHz - data ve smeru z optiky do UTP - obcas tam "prosakovalo" neco co > nemelo. Vtip byl v tom ze pri zadratovani interface - interface se to > neprojevilo. Pri pripojeni opticke casti se to projevovalo v ruzne mire. > Tvuj VHDL zdrojak nekdy ze srpna??? stazeny z webu vykazoval podobne > symptomy, prota ta obava. Podobny problem jsem mel i ve vlastni verzi, kde > to bylo zpusobeno nerespektovanim casovani v pouzitem obvodu. > > Petr > > > Ja s jeho navrhem nemam vubec, ale vubec nic spolecneho. Vsechno co v > > navrhu je, je kombinaci know-how clockova(40%), meho (50%) a jeste > > cloveka jmenem Vladimir Arnost (10%). > > Nevim proc bych tam mel mit stejnou chybu. > > Pokud neumite popsat primo chybu, popiste primo dusledek a ja si to zde > > odsimuluju a uvidim, jestli se neco podobneho muze projevit i u mne. > > > > Kazdopadne, pri mnoha milionech paketu se neprojevil vubec zadny packet > > loss (ale testovano bez optiky, jen proti twistru pripojenemu kousky > > dratu) > > > > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From shamanu8 at web.de Wed Dec 15 21:18:22 2004 From: shamanu8 at web.de (shamanu8@web.de) Date: Wed Dec 15 21:18:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <20041215205545.GB30509@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041207120022.21653gmx1@mx002.gmx.net> <14263.1102433098@www60.gmx.net> <20041210104739.GB5070@beton.cybernet.src> <418E5F9E.10700@web.de> <20041210185030.GA26164@beton.cybernet.src> <41792A49.4050102@web.de> <20041215190237.GA29955@beton.cybernet.src> <417BFAD1.2060008@web.de> <20041215205545.GB30509@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <417C0DE7.8040602@web.de> no line with Cat5. But a line with: KERPEN special MegaLine 526 SC flex 4p You may look at the pictures from here: http://www.nwlab.net/guide2na/netzanalyse02.html As i said its even better then Cat5, found it even in english: (from: http://www.kerpenkabel.de/KERPEN/kspec_english/cont/Megaline/en_ml526sc.doc) *Prescriptiontext*** *KERPEN special MegaLine 526 SC flex, 4P, category 5*** *Halogenfree S/UTP 100ohm-communication cable, with overall screen, suitable for *** *155Mbit/s (200MHz)*** Much better then category 5 acc. to EN50173, EN50173 2nd. ed., ISO/IEC 11801, ISO/IEC 11801 2nd. ed., EN50168 and prEN 50288-2-2 August 2002 4 pairs AWG 26/7/core-?: max. 1mm, with overall screen-aluminum-bonded polyester tape and tinned copper wire Skew at 100 MHz (approx.): 18 ns/100m Transfer impedance at 10 MHz (nominal value): 10 mohm/m Screening attenuation up to 1000MHz (nominal value): 35 dB Coupling attenuation up to 1000MHz (nominal value): 55 dB Frequency Attenuation NEXT ACR PS-NEXT PS-ACR EL-FEXT PS-ELFEXT RL** Mhz dB/10m dB dB@10m dB dB@10m dB dB@10m dB nom. cat.5 nom. cat.5 nom. cat.5 nom. cat.5 nom. cat.5 nom. cat.5 nom. cat.5 nom. cat.5 max. min. min. min. min. min. min. min. 1 0,26 0,32 70 65,3 69,7 65,0 67 62,3 66,7 62,0 71 68 4 0,52 0,6 62 56,3 61,5 55,7 59 53,3 58,5 52,7 60 51,8 57 48,8 26,0 23,0 10 0,8 0,95 56 50,3 55,2 49,3 53 47,3 52,2 46,3 51 43,8 48 40,8 26,0 24,5 16 1,01 1,21 53 47,2 52,0 46,0 50 44,2 49,0 43,0 47 39,7 44 36,7 26,0 25,0 20 1,13 1,36 51 45,8 49,9 44,4 48 42,8 46,9 41,4 45 37,8 42 34,8 26,0 25,0 31,25 1,43 1,71 49 42,9 47,6 41,2 46 39,9 44,6 38,2 41 33,9 38 30,9 25,0 23,6 62,5 2,06 2,48 44 38,4 41,9 35,9 41 35,4 38,9 32,9 35 27,9 32 24,9 24,0 21,5 100 2,66 3,2 41 35,3 38,3 32,1 38 32,3 35,3 29,1 31 23,8 28 20,8 24,0 20,1 200 3,86 36 32,1 33 29,1 27 24 20,0 *prEN 50288-2-2, August 2002 **ffs Flame retardance: acc. to IEC 60332-3 Cat.C Halogen acid gas emission: acc. to IEC 60754-2 Smoke density: acc. to IEC 61034 Calorific value: 0,3 MJ/m Outer-?: 5,7 mm Outer sheath: halogenfree compound Colour: light grey; RAL-7035 Certificate of quality management system acc. to DIN ISO 9001/ EN 29001 Link performance acc. to class "D+" EN 50173 and ISO/IEC 11801. Channel performance and Permanent Link performance acc. to class D, "D+" (pr EN 50173 2nd ed., pr ISO/IEC 11801 2nd ed.) Manufacturer: KERPEN special Cabletype: KS-02YS(St+C)H Type: MegaLine 526 SC flex 4P AWG 26/7 KERPEN-P/N: 7KS00773 Delivery and installation as defined by the manufacturer Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 08:56:17PM +0200, shamanu8@web.de wrote: > > >>I'm sure that it's a Cat5 Cable. >> >> > >Is there a line of text saying something about "Cat5" on the cable? > >Cl< > > >>Only if my supplyer is a liar it might be not. >>But there are different standarts how a cable can have, to get the name >>Cat5. >> >>standarts and colors: >>http://www.db1hz.de/pc/net/d_net_rj45.html >>(it's in german) >> >>Becouse there are different standarts, we can buy unshielded and >>shielded cables. >> >>I think i know the cable you "want"/mean. >>They are cheaper and have only 1 aluminium foil shield. >> >>Because they are less strong, i try always to get the better ones. >> >>Both of them are Cat5, it's like: you can always use a better one. >> >> >>Karel Kulhavy wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 05:42:01PM +0200, shamanu8@web.de wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>photos... :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>The cable on the photos, is it a Cat5e cable? Is't it some untwisted >>>shielded 8-wire cable? The conductor colours appear strange to me. >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From caffr at seznam.cz Wed Dec 15 22:26:49 2004 From: caffr at seznam.cz (cafr) Date: Wed Dec 15 22:27:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] How to configure twister running in WinXP OS? In-Reply-To: <41C09C20.4080205@matfyz.cz> References: <41C09C20.4080205@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <41C0BA29.3090906@seznam.cz> Kero wrote: > > Nearly *all* ronja links runs on linux-linux since linux is for free > and is good for routing, so linux is first choice. > Is it alright? Our Ronja link runs with Windows on each side. But we tested it on Linux. For testing you can use http://www.devil-linux.org cafr From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Dec 15 22:52:11 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Dec 15 22:52:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> References: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> Message-ID: <200412152352.11682.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Problem byl v tom, ze /podle mereni/ si prilis zjednodusil detekci > idle/1MHz - data ve smeru z optiky do UTP - obcas tam "prosakovalo" neco co > nemelo. Vtip byl v tom ze pri zadratovani interface - interface se to > neprojevilo. Pri pripojeni opticke casti se to projevovalo v ruzne mire. Ted to zkousim v optickem loopbacku a jede to super. Jenom jeste detail vztazeny k citatu tveho prispevku: Ani Clock v twisteru a ani ja, nedetekujeme 1MHz idle, ale naopak paket. Detekce idle byla pouze v AUI. Jakub Ladman From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Dec 15 22:52:19 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Dec 15 22:53:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> <000e01c4e228$4b681ca0$0101a8c0@cz> <000801c4e22a$d14b66e0$0101a8c0@cz> <41BF865C.3040203@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <005701c4e2f8$bb8a8240$0101a8c0@cz> Katalog GME 2004 strana 135 : SFH 2030F 520-005 18,- Kc silicon 800-1100nm Pd 100mW 50V 5uA 20st uhel pouzdro S2030 SFH 2030 520-024 20,- Kc silicon 400-1100nm Pd 100mW 50V 5uA 20st uhel pouzdro S2030 -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendy - HKFree" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) > Koukam napr do GME a tam 2030F nemaji... > > Kde je kupujes ? > > > > Kendy > HKfree > > -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > I add info in : > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230 > > > > > > Infra red version Ronja by -=RYS=- (Martin Patera, OK1MJO) > > =========================================================== > > > > 1) In RX part change rx photodiode on type SFH2030F (or other infra red > > photodiode). > > > > > > 2) In TX part change tx diode HPWT LED on type HSDL-4230. > > 3) In TX part change R11 8R2 on 4R7. ( ! I = 140-160mA ) > > 4) In TX part add one 74HC04 (4x IC). > > 5) In TX part dimension U4 for 1A. > > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >>>KK> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:50:13AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > >>> > >>>>>Jeste poznamky: > >>>>>1) Clock tu bude asi kricet, ze tahle infra Ronja tu nema co bejt > >> > >>protoze to > >> > >>>>>neni jeho Ronja :)) > >>> > >>>KK> Rekli cim se lisi (vymenena ledka a odpor) a zbytek je podle Ronji, > >> > >>takze > >> > >>>KK> zdrojaky jsou de facto publikovany, a tudiz to vyhovuje > >>> > >> > >>4 IC and in RX give SFH2030F no SFH2030. > >>Caution ... TX wanted 7805 in 1A TO220 , too much current. > >> > >>-=RYS=- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>And 3 or 4 IC in Tx ? > >>>Ondra > >>> > >>>KK> "This list is not for presentation of optical communication projects > >> > >>other than > >> > >>>KK> Ronja that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." > >>>KK> (http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php) > >>> > >>>KK> Cl< > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Dec 15 22:53:12 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Dec 15 22:54:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> <000e01c4e228$4b681ca0$0101a8c0@cz> <000801c4e22a$d14b66e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041215181628.GB29306@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <006201c4e2f8$dbc05bc0$0101a8c0@cz> Yeah... :)) -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) > On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:18:19PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > I add info in : > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230 > > May I please use this photo in Ronja gallery ?: > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/sfh2030f.jpg > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Dec 15 22:59:42 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Dec 15 23:01:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <20041215205956.GC30509@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41C09BBB.30852.8420A@localhost> Message-ID: <41C0CFEE.32492.D42E29@localhost> > > Nezadal. > > Je v priloze. Je tam i "surovy" disassembleru. > > A00de: > djnz ACC,A00de > mov A,#0ffh > A00e3: > djnz ACC,A00e3 > mov A,#0ffh > A00e8: > djnz ACC,A00e8 > mov A,#0ffh > A00ed: > djnz ACC,A00ed > mov A,#0ffh > A00f2: > djnz ACC,A00f2 > mov A,#0ffh > A00f7: > djnz ACC,A00f7 > > djnz dela djnz podle registru A > Myslim ze to obsluhuje dispej. Sveraznym zpusobem. > Tohle mi prijde jako ze programator bud zvetsoval smycku metodou cut-copy-paste > a nebo nevedel jak udelat 2 vnorene smycky. To jsi mel na mysli? Ne, tenhle atmel byl pripojen ke xilinxu a delal mu casovani 16ms pro impulsy LIT, podel meho nazoru nemel s detekci paketu nic spolecneho. Krom toho jeste krmil LCD znakovy displej nejakymi haluzemi - napis znel AGC + nejaka hodnota napeti ale cert vi co to bylo a kde se to bralo a jeste pocital prosle pakety (kupodivu dobre). V pozdejsi verzi mel umet autonegotiation a proto me to zajimalo. Co se tyce tohoto kodu tak jsem se s nim nejak moc nezabival. Pokud by mel nekdo cas a chut, tak by ho mohl projit a okomentovat, tim by se rozhresila bourliva diskuse co probehla na czfree foru nekdy cca pred rokem+-. > > Cl< > From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Dec 15 23:00:48 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Dec 15 23:02:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> <000e01c4e228$4b681ca0$0101a8c0@cz> <000801c4e22a$d14b66e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041215181628.GB29306@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <006701c4e2f9$eadb6f40$0101a8c0@cz> Jeste k teto fotodiode. Prakticka vec: Udelal jsem vysilac v cervene LED a v infra LED. Na prijimac jsem zkousel jako 2030 tak i 2030F. RX zacal brat pakety od napeti 35mV (na 3.2m , jinak 40cm od sebe bylo napeti 3.8V). Ten filtr je fakt ucinej...jinak je to ta sama fotodioda. Proste s 2030 to bralo stejne v cervene i infra LED. Ale s 2030F to bralo jen infra LED s cervenou bylo RSSI stale okolo 25mV...cili nic. Dokonce jsem to testoval tak, ze TX/RX pouze v infra s 2030F na vzdalenost 3.2m . RSSI bylo nejakych 39-46mV. A normalni svitilnou (halogena na 2 mikrotuzky) jsem z 5 cm posvitil na prijimac v temer shodnem dopadovem uhlu. A ani s tou svitilnou jsem nezahltil prijimac. Oni tam pisou od 800nm, ale kdyz jsem zkousel generator infra, tak to bylo nekde od 760nm. Ale uz na 730nm to nic nebralo. A naopak na 1280nm to uz taky nic nebralo. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) > On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:18:19PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > I add info in : > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230 > > May I please use this photo in Ronja gallery ?: > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/TPinterface_Ronja/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/sfh2030f.jpg > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Dec 15 23:03:42 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Wed Dec 15 23:05:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <200412152352.11682.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> Message-ID: <41C0D0DE.31637.D7DB76@localhost> > > Problem byl v tom, ze /podle mereni/ si prilis zjednodusil detekci > > idle/1MHz - data ve smeru z optiky do UTP - obcas tam "prosakovalo" neco co > > nemelo. Vtip byl v tom ze pri zadratovani interface - interface se to > > neprojevilo. Pri pripojeni opticke casti se to projevovalo v ruzne mire. > > Ted to zkousim v optickem loopbacku a jede to super. > Jenom jeste detail vztazeny k citatu tveho prispevku: > Ani Clock v twisteru a ani ja, nedetekujeme 1MHz idle, ale naopak paket. To netvrdim. Prave ze mrx snad detekoval 1MHz, sem mel napsat idle (1MHz). > Detekce idle byla pouze v AUI. > Jakub Ladman > From maco at host.sk Thu Dec 16 00:48:03 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Dec 16 00:49:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C0DB43.8070904@host.sk> Check Ronja Wiki - I have written several addresses there where you can buy Ronja components in Slovakia (Bratislava) www.gme.sk is the best source I have Twister interfaces for 160 Sk + mail fees. Maco Lubo wrote: > M?m prosbu. > > Zh??am s??iastky na RONJU a je to dos? ?a?k?. > Pros?m preto o radu: > v ponuke firmy http://www.microdis.net/ je dos? komponentov pre > stavbu RONJA (aj opto?leny), ale zna?enie predov?etk?m IO DS26LS32 > ...31, ale aj in?ch je s r?znymi pr?ponami. R?d by som teda vedel, > ak? IO pod?a tejto ponuky su v poriadku a ak? nie? > > ?akujem Lubik > From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 16 08:13:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 16 08:13:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <200412152217.18999.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> <200412152217.18999.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041216081316.GB210@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 10:17:18PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Detektory paketu jsou nyni zcela ale uplne jine. A jak vis, ze funguji spravne ve vsech situacich, ve kterych fungovat maji? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 16 08:19:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 16 08:19:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: How to determine problem on twister In-Reply-To: <20041215131633.48332.qmail@web52510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041215131633.48332.qmail@web52510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041216081900.GD210@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 05:16:32AM -0800, aik khai ong wrote: > > Hi Clock, > > Sorry for bothering you again. I need your help again. I built up 2 sets of tetrapolis but having problem with the configuration. The 2 sets are not fully following the components stated on web due to sourcing problem. I wish there is a way to check on my twister, which component is not functioning. With attached following data is my ICs test point value. > > > > First set of twister > > Using NE592 D8 (unable to source NE592 D14) > > BF961 (unable to source BF908) > > BAT42 (unable to source BAT46) > > SFH 203 P (unable to source BPW43) SFH 203 must not be "P" suffix. > > > > Second set twister > > Using NE592 D8 > > BF961 > > 1N5308 (unable to source BAT46 even BAT42 or other listed) > > SFH 203 P (unable to source BPW43) > > > > Picture shown is the test point I measured. (Hope it is the right way to measure??I measure voltage of the pin14-VCC) If there is other way to test do kindly let me know. Thanks. *My twister board is not the bug-fixed version but I saw there is notice that the bug will not harm the performance if I don??t fix, right? > > First Set Second Set The followingvalues are wrong. They must be around 5V. Maybe the 7805 regulator is soldered the wrong way. Cl< > > Crystal 6.78 7.28 > > 1 6.8 7.33 > > 2 6.8 7.36 > > 3 6.72 7.37 > > 4 6.71 7.38 > > 5 6.73 7.43 > > 6 6.67 7.43 > > 7 6.67 7.44 > > 8 6.67 7.45 > > 9 6.66 7.45 > > 10 1.37 1.25 > > 11 6.66 7.45 > > 12 6.66 7.45 > > 13 6.64 7.44 > > 14 6.64 7.45 > > 15 6.64 7.45 > > 16 6.63 7.46 > > 17 6.63 7.47 > > 18 11.37 12.36 > > With the picture attached > > Hope you can help as I really interested in building up this device. Thanks in advance. > > *When I install both devices, the 3 LED are on, is this right? > > The transmitter super flux (HPWT-MD00) isn??t shining its beam?? is this normal? > > My PC running on WinXP with built in NIC can detect it connected at 100Mbps but not 10Mbps??am I on the right track? > > Thank you very much for patiently reading this mail. Thank you~ J > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Ong Aik Khai > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Dec 16 08:47:38 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Thu Dec 16 08:48:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding References: <20041210120018.12277gmx1@mx042.gmx.net> Message-ID: <32333.1103186858@www51.gmx.net> I didnt want to say that CZ is a poor country. I only wanted to say that in Austria most NEW CABELLING ist done shielded. Reg, Sigi -- GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++ From kubajz at kbx.cz Thu Dec 16 08:52:14 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_S=FDkora?=) Date: Thu Dec 16 08:52:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Main Reason for Shielding In-Reply-To: <32333.1103186858@www51.gmx.net> References: <20041210120018.12277gmx1@mx042.gmx.net> <32333.1103186858@www51.gmx.net> Message-ID: <41C14CBE.4010308@kbx.cz> Almost every Czech will save his money if he can. So if he can save 10CZK per a 305m package, he buys UTP. In fact in many applications, there is no need to use STP. Have a nice day :) poor Czech Kubajz :)) Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > I didnt want to say that CZ is a poor country. > > I only wanted to say that in Austria most NEW CABELLING > ist done shielded. > > Reg, Sigi > From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Dec 16 09:56:00 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (ladmanj@volny.cz) Date: Thu Dec 16 09:56:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <20041216081316.GB210@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> <200412152217.18999.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20041216081316.GB210@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Sam jsem napsal, ze to s zeleznou jistotou rici nemohu. Musi se to proste mohutne otestovat. Predpokladam, pokud bude clovek, co jsem ho zaukoloval tvorbou kostry webove prezentace, mit dost casu a energie, ze behem rekneme tydne bude kompletni dokumentace na webu, za jistych okolnosti by jsi mohl (Clock) dostat i exemplar do ruky abys to mohl taky otestovat, precejen uznavam, ze uz ti ronji proslo rukama hodne a tak budes vedet na co se zamerit. Ovsem zatim je pouze jeden jedinny kus. A ten nedam. Leda, ze bychom se nekde sesli a ja bych ti to predvedl. Jakub Ladman ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Karel Kulhavy" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface Datum: 16.12.2004 - 9:13:57 > On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 10:17:18PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Detektory paketu jsou nyni zcela ale uplne jine. > > A jak vis, ze funguji spravne ve vsech situacich, ve kterych > fungovat maji? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 16 11:43:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 16 11:43:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: References: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> <200412152217.18999.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20041216081316.GB210@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041216114322.GA9757@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:56:00AM +0100, ladmanj@volny.cz wrote: > Sam jsem napsal, ze to s zeleznou jistotou rici nemohu. > Musi se to proste mohutne otestovat. > Predpokladam, pokud bude clovek, co jsem ho zaukoloval tvorbou > kostry webove prezentace, mit dost casu a energie, ze behem rekneme > tydne bude kompletni dokumentace na webu, za jistych okolnosti by > jsi mohl (Clock) dostat i exemplar do ruky abys to mohl taky > otestovat, precejen uznavam, ze uz ti ronji proslo rukama hodne a Jenom na zaklade testovani se mi to publikovat nechce. Napr. AUI jsem navrhl tak, ze to bylo navrzene a spocitane, hodnoty zvolene tak aby tolerance na obe strany byly zhruba stejne, a pak testovane a s temer 100% jistotou to chodilo a kdyz se pak prislo na pripady, kde to nechodi, muselo se to v zasade cely radikalne prekopat. Twistera jsem navrhl tak, ze jsem to do detailu promyslel za vsech moznych i nemoznych okolnosti, je treba to udelat podle povidani v IEEE802.3 (to je strasny ctivo - takovy zlaty stranky), pak podle toho aby to chodilo s AUI Forte, se starym AUI v rozsahu odchylek od 1MHz "Idle Signal Frequency Accepted At least 716kHz...1.4MHz" (http://ronja.twibright.com/aui_forte/spec.php) (musim tohle dopsat i do Twistera - pisu do TODO) a i kdyz vstupni signal bude totalne zmrsenej od prenosu, nebo kdyz sitovka bude nejaka nekvalitni a generovat vystupni signal s nejakym deterministickym jitterem. Taky je tam problem, ze to musi uriznout co nejmin premabule. Standard rika asi 2 bity, coz je nesmysl, toho se neda dosahnout ani kdyby se clovek postavil na hlavu, nebot prijde link integrity puls, a jeste nez skonci, aby clovek vedel, jestli to byl LIP nebo preambule, a ma ho tedy do linky poslat nebo ne, tak uz vyprsi 2 bity. A ten LIP v nejhorsim pripade (IEEE 802.3 - strasnej kentus!) muze snad bejt jeste delsi jak 2 bity :) Takze se mi to podarilo tohle puzzle po znacnem boji poskladat tak, ze to reze nekde rozumne, rek bych mezi 10 a 20 bitama (64 bitu ma ta preambule). Taky mi nebylo jasny z toho standardu jestli to je OK nebo ne. Nejak zrejme s takovejma zarizenima jako Twister co odstranujou LIP vubec nepocitaj. Ale je to celkem jedno, mezi 2 Ronjama se stejne celej ramec zregeneruje, at uz ve switchi, nebo v pocitaci. Takovy ty repeatery co podle standardu musej regenerovat jen casovani a uz ne preambuli tak ty se snad uz ani nevyrabej, neprodavaj, ani nepouzivaj (aspon mam takovej pocit - ma nekdo jine zkusenosti?). Dulezity je jen aby ty premabule zustalo co nejvic, aby si nejhur implementovanemu fazovemu zavesu v levnych sitovkach dalo dost doby na to, aby si na data dokonale sednul, a negeneroval pak predcasny packetloss na zacatku ramce kdyz bude moc velkej nedeterministickej jitter z maleho SNR pri prenosu. Takze jestli se ti tohle vsechno puzzle chce davat znovu dohromady, abys na konci mohl predlozit analyzu presvedcujici o tom, ze to bude chodit korektne opravdu ve vsech pripadech (ja mam vyhodu ze posuzujici i generujici analyzu je tentyz, takze se analyza muze predat uvnitr mozku, a usetri se papir a cas ;-) ), tak si to uzij. Ale ja si myslim ze bude podstatne jednodussi proste obslehnout tu digitalni logiku z Twistera jak je, jen ji dat do toho CPLD, to se pak nic moc zkoumat uz nebude muset (jedine hazardni stavy, v Twisteru z principu celkem dost casti generuje hazardni stavy v klopacich a je to vymysleny tak, aby tam nemohly delat neplechu. Tak je potreba zkontrolovat, jestli treba to posuvak nenaimplementovalo jako citac a dekoder, ktery se z hazardnich stavu na rozdil od posuvaku muze celkem solidne zblaznit). Nechapu, proc jsi to udelal jinak nez v Twisteru. Napada me jedine rozumne vysvetleni, a to ze z principu nejde ta digitalni logika z twistera do CPLD dat, ale nedokazu si predstavit, proc by to nemelo jit. > tak budes vedet na co se zamerit. Ovsem zatim je pouze jeden > jedinny kus. A ten nedam. Leda, ze bychom se nekde sesli a ja bych > ti to predvedl. Jakub Ladman Ja se na to casem podivam rad osobne, ale ted pres vanoce nebudu mist asi cas :( Cl< From Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= Thu Dec 16 14:44:12 2004 From: Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= ) Date: Thu Dec 16 14:44:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface Message-ID: ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhavy > Komu: Petr Seliger > CC: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:59:56 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > Nezadal. > > Je v priloze. Je tam i "surovy" disassembleru. > > A00de: > djnz ACC,A00de > mov A,#0ffh > A00e3: > djnz ACC,A00e3 > mov A,#0ffh > A00e8: > djnz ACC,A00e8 > mov A,#0ffh > A00ed: > djnz ACC,A00ed > mov A,#0ffh > A00f2: > djnz ACC,A00f2 > mov A,#0ffh > A00f7: > djnz ACC,A00f7 > > djnz dela djnz podle registru A? > > Tohle mi prijde jako ze programator bud zvetsoval smycku metodou cut-copy-paste > a nebo nevedel jak udelat 2 vnorene smycky. To jsi mel na mysli? djnz acc,a00de; dectrement ACC, jump no zero a00de; ja bych rek ze neumel udelat 2 vnorene smycky :) ale je to divne, ze by navrhl temer funkci pojitko a tohle neumel :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Dec 16 17:01:22 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (ladmanj@volny.cz) Date: Thu Dec 16 17:02:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No o Misovi Krestanovi na felu jedni tvrdili, ze je genialni a druzi, ze je to debil. Kam zaradit sebe nevim, jen jsem mu nic neveril, protoze vykazoval silne znamky tzv. krmicstvi. Krmim, krmis, krmime !!! Jakub ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= @relay5.volny.cz Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface Datum: 16.12.2004 - 15:45:09 > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Karel Kulhavy > > Komu: Petr Seliger > > CC: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:59:56 +0000 > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > > Nezadal. > > > Je v priloze. Je tam i "surovy" disassembleru. > > > > A00de: > > djnz ACC,A00de > > mov A,#0ffh > > A00e3: > > djnz ACC,A00e3 > > mov A,#0ffh > > A00e8: > > djnz ACC,A00e8 > > mov A,#0ffh > > A00ed: > > djnz ACC,A00ed > > mov A,#0ffh > > A00f2: > > djnz ACC,A00f2 > > mov A,#0ffh > > A00f7: > > djnz ACC,A00f7 > > > > djnz dela djnz podle registru A? > > > > Tohle mi prijde jako ze programator bud zvetsoval smycku > > metodou cut-copy-paste > > a nebo nevedel jak udelat 2 vnorene smycky. To jsi mel na > > mysli? > > djnz acc,a00de; > > dectrement ACC, jump no zero a00de; > > ja bych rek ze neumel udelat 2 vnorene smycky :) ale je to > divne, ze by navrhl temer funkci pojitko a tohle neumel :) > > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Dec 16 17:53:52 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (ladmanj@volny.cz) Date: Thu Dec 16 17:54:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <20041216114322.GA9757@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> <200412152217.18999.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20041216081316.GB210@beton.cybernet.src> <20041216114322.GA9757@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <98ff5f53364c8c9b7943b7c4daa3f2a5@www4.mail.volny.cz> > > Nechapu, proc jsi to udelal jinak nez v Twisteru. Napada me > jedine rozumne > vysvetleni, a to ze z principu nejde ta digitalni logika z > twistera do CPLD > dat, ale nedokazu si predstavit, proc by to nemelo jit. > > Protoze dost zasadni vec je na twisterovych detektorech analogova - MKO pred resetem prvniho posuvnyho registru. To nelze v CPLD realizovat a tak jsem to musel zderivovat jinak. Zderivoval jsem to tak, ze jsem to nasamploval na 32MHz. 16MHz delalo kraviny, logicky. Pak mi pomohl pan C. E. Shannon (fvzorkovaci > 2*fmaximalni_provozni) a kazda hrana na vstupu mi vytvori 31.25ns puls. Dva D klopaky za sebou taktovane 32MHz a vystupy prvniho a druheho navzajem xornout. Dal je to taky pozmenene - kvuli synchru s 32MHz taktem tech pulsu za derivatorem, ale nebudu to tu nemotorne popisovat, ale melo by to byt dobre. Az to zverejnim tak si to budes moci doma odsimulovat. Jakub -- A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! From looshichang at hotmail.com Thu Dec 16 18:05:40 2004 From: looshichang at hotmail.com (LOO SHI CHANG) Date: Thu Dec 16 18:06:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] What to configure gateway under WinXP for Tetrapolis? Message-ID: Hi Clock and fellow experts, I'm using WinXP, I set the IP but for the Gateway what should I set for routing? Under winXP routing : -Route ADD 192.168.0.2 MASK 255.255.255.0 [GateWay] METRIC [ ] IF [interterface] *My IP address set to 192.168.0.1 What should I fill in for gateway and metric? For interface is it my IP or the physical address? Clock, Regarding my ICs value for twister went up to high as 6 and 7V, it is confirmed that due to the voltage regulator placed in wrong. Thanks for the information. Thanks and Best Regards, looshichang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041217/08cf20d5/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 16 21:59:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 16 21:59:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <98ff5f53364c8c9b7943b7c4daa3f2a5@www4.mail.volny.cz> References: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> <200412152217.18999.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20041216081316.GB210@beton.cybernet.src> <20041216114322.GA9757@beton.cybernet.src> <98ff5f53364c8c9b7943b7c4daa3f2a5@www4.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041216215913.GB25793@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 06:53:52PM +0100, ladmanj@volny.cz wrote: > > > > Nechapu, proc jsi to udelal jinak nez v Twisteru. Napada me > > jedine rozumne > > vysvetleni, a to ze z principu nejde ta digitalni logika z > > twistera do CPLD > > dat, ale nedokazu si predstavit, proc by to nemelo jit. > > > > > Protoze dost zasadni vec je na twisterovych detektorech analogova - > MKO pred resetem prvniho posuvnyho registru. To nelze v CPLD > realizovat a tak jsem to musel zderivovat jinak. > Zderivoval jsem to tak, ze jsem to nasamploval na 32MHz. 16MHz > delalo kraviny, logicky. Pak mi pomohl pan C. E. Shannon > (fvzorkovaci > 2*fmaximalni_provozni) a kazda hrana na vstupu mi > vytvori 31.25ns puls. Dva D klopaky za sebou taktovane 32MHz a > vystupy prvniho a druheho navzajem xornout. Dal je to taky > pozmenene - kvuli synchru s 32MHz taktem tech pulsu za derivatorem, > ale nebudu to tu nemotorne popisovat, ale melo by to byt dobre. Az > to zverejnim tak si to budes moci doma odsimulovat. No a myslis si ze ten twister co jsi navrh je 100% BugFree(TM)? jeste me napadl nazev Supaplex. Byla to takova hra na PC co tam takovy Pacman zral takove tistaky a svaby. Kdyz jsem byl maly, hraval jsem to, bylo to zuzo :) Nebulus a Starquake jsou nazvy her na ZX Spectrum co jsem hraval :) Neco z toho delal nejaky Matthew Smith a dodnes nevim jestli to nebyl tentyz Matt Smith co delal legendarniho JSW. Cl< From coolex at hkfree.org Thu Dec 16 22:12:09 2004 From: coolex at hkfree.org (Cool Explosion) Date: Thu Dec 16 22:12:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Omrzlen prsty In-Reply-To: <001401c4e215$f9aa61a0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <41BE7727.4010804@kbx.cz> <001401c4e215$f9aa61a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <41C20839.2060601@hkfree.org> -=RYS=- napsal(a): >Lidi bacha ted v zime. Je fakt zima az prasti. >Ted jsem prisel z me testovaci linky....jsem na balkone zameroval 30 minut. >A necitim prsty...jdu nekam na caj ani psat na klavesnici moc nemuzu jak mam >ztuhle prsty. >Takze mimo voltmetru...i rukavice na strechy sebou. > >-=RYS=- > > > > > No taky jsem dneska poznal ze je fakt klendra, kdyz jsem me ril signal (sice to nebyla Ronja nybrz Wi-Fi ale myslim ze v tomto pripade je to fukec... -- |=======================| | Cool-Explosion | | ICQ: 262619019 | |mail: coolex@hkfree.org| |oblast: Rusek & Pouchov| |=======================| From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Dec 16 22:14:36 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Dec 16 22:15:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1103235276.41c208cc4c013@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> To samy se na FELu tvrdi o Vlkoj, Daskoj, Seligroj, atd... a ani ten posledne jmenovany sam nevi jak to doopravdy je. Nicmene k tomu vypisu: Je to vystup disassembleru, takze se to od puvodniho kodu muze dost lisit. Z nektere vychytavky, elegantne zapsane v puvodnim zdrojaku, po prelozeni a disassemblovani vznikne pekna hruza. To muze byt zrovna tento pripad. Petr Seliger > No o Misovi Krestanovi na felu jedni tvrdili, ze je genialni a > druzi, ze je to debil. Kam zaradit sebe nevim, jen jsem mu nic > neveril, protoze vykazoval silne znamky tzv. krmicstvi. Krmim, > krmis, krmime !!! > Jakub > > ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- > Od: Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= > @relay5.volny.cz Komu: > ronja@lists.pointless.net > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > Datum: 16.12.2004 - 15:45:09 > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: Karel Kulhavy > > > Komu: Petr Seliger > > > CC: Twibright Ronja > > > Datum: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:59:56 +0000 > > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface > > > > > > > Nezadal. > > > > Je v priloze. Je tam i "surovy" disassembleru. > > > > > > A00de: > > > djnz ACC,A00de > > > mov A,#0ffh > > > A00e3: > > > djnz ACC,A00e3 > > > mov A,#0ffh > > > A00e8: > > > djnz ACC,A00e8 > > > mov A,#0ffh > > > A00ed: > > > djnz ACC,A00ed > > > mov A,#0ffh > > > A00f2: > > > djnz ACC,A00f2 > > > mov A,#0ffh > > > A00f7: > > > djnz ACC,A00f7 > > > > > > djnz dela djnz podle registru A? > > > > > > Tohle mi prijde jako ze programator bud zvetsoval smycku > > > metodou cut-copy-paste > > > a nebo nevedel jak udelat 2 vnorene smycky. To jsi mel na > > > mysli? > > > > djnz acc,a00de; > > > > dectrement ACC, jump no zero a00de; > > > > ja bych rek ze neumel udelat 2 vnorene smycky :) ale je to > > divne, ze by navrhl temer funkci pojitko a tohle neumel :) > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > -- > A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? > http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka > Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 16 23:43:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 16 23:43:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <98ff5f53364c8c9b7943b7c4daa3f2a5@www4.mail.volny.cz> References: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> <41C030E0.446.1246A2@localhost> <200412152217.18999.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20041216081316.GB210@beton.cybernet.src> <20041216114322.GA9757@beton.cybernet.src> <98ff5f53364c8c9b7943b7c4daa3f2a5@www4.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041216234303.GA26901@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 06:53:52PM +0100, ladmanj@volny.cz wrote: > > > > Nechapu, proc jsi to udelal jinak nez v Twisteru. Napada me > > jedine rozumne > > vysvetleni, a to ze z principu nejde ta digitalni logika z > > twistera do CPLD > > dat, ale nedokazu si predstavit, proc by to nemelo jit. > > > > > Protoze dost zasadni vec je na twisterovych detektorech analogova - > MKO pred resetem prvniho posuvnyho registru. To nelze v CPLD Derivator s komparatorem se povazuje za (monostabilni) klopny obvod? Nemusi v tom byt zpetna vazna aby se to mohlo povazovat za klopny obvod? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 17 07:56:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 17 07:56:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) In-Reply-To: <006701c4e2f9$eadb6f40$0101a8c0@cz> References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> <000e01c4e228$4b681ca0$0101a8c0@cz> <000801c4e22a$d14b66e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041215181628.GB29306@beton.cybernet.src> <006701c4e2f9$eadb6f40$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20041217075626.GB194@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:00:48AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: [...] > A normalni svitilnou (halogena na 2 mikrotuzky) jsem z 5 cm posvitil na > prijimac v temer shodnem dopadovem uhlu. > A ani s tou svitilnou jsem nezahltil prijimac. > Oni tam pisou od 800nm, ale kdyz jsem zkousel generator infra, tak to bylo Co to je generator infra? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 17 08:03:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 17 08:03:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Question on RSSI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041217080331.GA271@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 03:35:06PM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: > Hi Clock, > > What is RSSI used for? Is there a need for it if I For getting best signel during aiming. > were planning to building metropolis without using lens coz just for a short > range testing. Probably yes. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Dec 17 08:55:32 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Dec 17 08:56:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) References: <1102982013.6115.152.camel@book> <001001c4e187$a3aee840$0101a8c0@cz> <20041214104438.GB20718@beton.cybernet.src> <1633599230.20041214212240@volny.cz> <000e01c4e228$4b681ca0$0101a8c0@cz> <000801c4e22a$d14b66e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20041215181628.GB29306@beton.cybernet.src> <006701c4e2f9$eadb6f40$0101a8c0@cz> <20041217075626.GB194@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000a01c4e416$2b03cfa0$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Ronja] Zamerovani infra ronjy (success story) > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:00:48AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > [...] > > > A normalni svitilnou (halogena na 2 mikrotuzky) jsem z 5 cm posvitil na > > prijimac v temer shodnem dopadovem uhlu. > > A ani s tou svitilnou jsem nezahltil prijimac. > > Oni tam pisou od 800nm, ale kdyz jsem zkousel generator infra, tak to bylo > > Co to je generator infra? Takova mila krabicka za 260000,- od Anritsu, kde se meni TX hlavy (kazda hlavice umi "ladit" asi v 100nm spektru...jak kde). Jeden clovicek to ma ve firme, tak jsem ho hned zneuzil :) Ja tomu rikam generator infra, ale jinak je to sita master pro optiku od 430 do 1550nm. Meri to utlum, spektr. cistotu atd... -=RYS=- > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Dec 17 17:27:40 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Dec 17 17:28:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] CPLD TP Interface In-Reply-To: <20041216234303.GA26901@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041213095730.GA323@beton.cybernet.src> <98ff5f53364c8c9b7943b7c4daa3f2a5@www4.mail.volny.cz> <20041216234303.GA26901@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200412171827.40240.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Friday 17 December 2004 00:43, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 06:53:52PM +0100, ladmanj@volny.cz wrote: > > > Nechapu, proc jsi to udelal jinak nez v Twisteru. Napada me > > > jedine rozumne > > > vysvetleni, a to ze z principu nejde ta digitalni logika z > > > twistera do CPLD > > > dat, ale nedokazu si predstavit, proc by to nemelo jit. > > > > Protoze dost zasadni vec je na twisterovych detektorech analogova - > > MKO pred resetem prvniho posuvnyho registru. To nelze v CPLD > > Derivator s komparatorem se povazuje za (monostabilni) klopny obvod? > Nemusi v tom byt zpetna vazna aby se to mohlo povazovat za klopny obvod? Derivator s komparatorem nas ucili radit mezi MKO ikdyz pravda zpetna vazba tam neni. To jsou ale kecy co pro nas nejsou dulezity (doufam). From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 20 15:00:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Dec 20 15:00:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister faulty? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041220150010.GA23303@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 11:45:49AM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: > Hi Clock, > > I wish to ask is there any way to know whether my twister is > faulty? Coz I tested before using PC loop test. Firstly everything works > fine. My PC able to detect it connected at 10Mbps and the twister is only > the yellow light on. But the next try, it all went wrong. The all 3 LED > lights are on. Which means Receiver and Transmitter circuit is having Why do you think that the fact that all 3 LEDs are on means that the twister is faulty? > shorts? I checked over and over again but could not find any problem on > those. So I thinking of whether will the ICs on twister burnt? IF so, how > should I determine? I find out that the IC 74HC4040 is having no output on > pin9 whereas other ICs having output voltage value. Does this matter? > > By the way, do you have any friends with experience or referral > on testing Tetrapolis using Win XP? I read through articles on those but > still insufficient information. For configuration on gateway, and some other > I still got question on it. I unfortunately don't have friends using Ronja and XP. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 21 06:40:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Dec 21 06:41:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister faulty? In-Reply-To: References: <20041220150010.GA23303@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041221064044.GA29095@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 01:32:11PM +0800, LOO SHI CHANG wrote: > Hi Clock, > Maybe I have missunderstood of the meaning, coz it says that when > the tetrapolis is switch into PC mode, for red lights that on means the > transmitter is having circuit logic problem. I thought it also apply on The LED lights don't indicate problem, but data being transmitted and received. > receiver (green). Anyway, after I modified, I got the following result, > When in PC mode and switch mode, the red light is off, yellow and green is > on. If you are not transmitting data and are receiving noise, then it's OK. > When in loopback mode, all the 3 LED is on. > Is this works fine? > I built up 2 set, 1 is when I switch on, the super flux LED (HPWT-MD00) is > on, the other is off. Which is correct? The one where superflux led shines. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Dec 21 10:15:08 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Dec 21 10:16:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vanoce..... References: <20041220150010.GA23303@beton.cybernet.src> <20041221064044.GA29095@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000501c4e745$f6a53b80$d203a8c0@diablo> My experimental translation to English from CZECH is under the czech text. Please read on..... !!! CZECH VERSION !!! Zdravim Vsechny priznivce projektu RONJA !!! Vanoce se blizi a s nimi spousta stesti, radosti, pohody a darku. Timto bych Vam vsem chtel poprat stastne a Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy ROK !!! A m?m pro V?s vsechny n?vrh.... Coz takhle poslat Karlovi Kulhavemu nejaky ten darecek na vyvoj? Mnoho z nas by jiste rado videlo RONJU 100MB (pripadne i vice - a jak jsem slysel, nejni problem 1GB udelat). Myslim, ze 100,- nikoho nezabije. A mnohokrat mala suma je pak velka suma na vyvoj ;-) S pozdravem Jarda. !!! attempt on the ENGLISH VERSION !!! Hi all sympathizer of Ronja project. The incoming CHRISTMAS is period of luck, love and Christmas gifts. I would like to wish everyone happy CHRISTMAS and happy NewYEAR !!! I have an offer for you.... Let to send an small gift to Karl Kulhav? for his developmnet??? A lot of us will rather see RONJA 100MB (maybe more). I think 100KC (4$) is not deadly sum of money. And manytimes of small sum is great sum of money for development ;-) Regards Jarda. From jojo at matfyz.cz Tue Dec 21 10:20:06 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Tue Dec 21 10:20:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vanoce..... In-Reply-To: <000501c4e745$f6a53b80$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <20041221064044.GA29095@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c4e745$f6a53b80$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20041221102006.GA26824@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > A lot of us will rather see RONJA 100MB I would love it. > I think 100KC (4$) is not deadly sum of money. And manytimes of small sum is > great sum of money for development ;-) I have already donated and plan to donate more ;-). -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Tue Dec 21 10:28:36 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Tue Dec 21 10:29:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vanoce..... Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB35B8E1@vestex01.vest.corp> I have not yet donated, but I plan to donate when my ronja will be built and transmit some traffic :-) -- Kosac > A lot of us will rather see RONJA 100MB I would love it. > I think 100KC (4$) is not deadly sum of money. And manytimes of small > sum is great sum of money for development ;-) I have already donated and plan to donate more ;-). -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Dec 21 10:34:26 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Dec 21 10:35:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vanoce..... References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB35B8E1@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <000901c4e748$a5e0a100$d203a8c0@diablo> I have no functional RONJA and I have donated allready ;-) I plan to donate more to ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 11:28 AM Subject: RE: [Ronja] Vanoce..... > > I have not yet donated, but I plan to donate when > my ronja will be built and transmit some traffic :-) > -- > Kosac > > > > > A lot of us will rather see RONJA 100MB > > I would love it. > > > I think 100KC (4$) is not deadly sum of money. And manytimes of small > > sum is great sum of money for development ;-) > > I have already donated and plan to donate more ;-). > > -- > Marian Cerny > Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz > > [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Dec 21 12:48:26 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Dec 21 12:49:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni Message-ID: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> Zdravim, tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na ten spatnej? Diky Ondra From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Tue Dec 21 13:24:49 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Tue Dec 21 13:25:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> Message-ID: no mne se to nejspis stalo.. odesly 74HC64, ale nevim jiste cim to bylo ROOTen On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:48:26 +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat > na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. > Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v > haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na > ten spatnej? > > Diky Ondra > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= Tue Dec 21 13:35:45 2004 From: Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=20Michn=EDk=22?= ) Date: Tue Dec 21 13:36:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni Message-ID: tak to snad vypajej kondiky a udelej nove twistra :)... me by se to zistovat teda fakt nechtelo....:) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Ondrej Tesar > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:48:26 +0100 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni > > Zdravim, > tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat > na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. > Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v > haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na > ten spatnej? > > Diky Ondra > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Dec 21 13:43:10 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Dec 21 13:43:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> Message-ID: <1823542794.20041221144310@volny.cz> Vsechny? Nebo ktere? Zkus to prosim co nevice specifikovat. Mam tady jeden twister, kteremu se stalo to same, ale nebyl muj a u toho explodoval U54 (74HC32) a po jeho vymene jede OK. U me nic neexplodovalo :-( Ondra PD> no mne se to nejspis stalo.. odesly 74HC64, ale nevim jiste cim to bylo PD> ROOTen PD> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:48:26 +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> Zdravim, >> tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat >> na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. >> Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v >> haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na >> ten spatnej? >> >> Diky Ondra >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Tue Dec 21 13:47:17 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Tue Dec 21 13:48:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <1823542794.20041221144310@volny.cz> References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> <1823542794.20041221144310@volny.cz> Message-ID: No mne taky nic neexplodovalo.. to bych to mel moc jednoduchy ;) myslim ze odesly vsechny 74HC64 ROOTen On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:43:10 +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Vsechny? Nebo ktere? Zkus to prosim co nevice specifikovat. > > Mam tady jeden twister, kteremu se stalo to same, ale nebyl muj a u > toho explodoval U54 (74HC32) a po jeho vymene jede OK. > > U me nic neexplodovalo :-( > > Ondra > > PD> no mne se to nejspis stalo.. odesly 74HC64, ale nevim jiste cim to > bylo > > PD> ROOTen > > PD> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:48:26 +0100, Ondrej Tesar > wrote: > >>> Zdravim, >>> tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat >>> na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. >>> Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v >>> haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na >>> ten spatnej? >>> >>> Diky Ondra >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From polous at katka.biz Tue Dec 21 13:57:15 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Dec 21 13:56:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> Message-ID: <41C82BBB.8020707@katka.biz> To se mi stalo taky .. intuitivne jsem naletoval stabilizatory na dps obracene, nez je v navodu. Me ale nastesti zadny broucek neodesel. p0l0us Ondrej Tesar wrote: >Zdravim, >tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat >na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. >Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v >haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na >ten spatnej? > >Diky Ondra > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From ronja at duje.net Tue Dec 21 16:45:52 2004 From: ronja at duje.net (Ivo) Date: Tue Dec 21 16:44:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vanoce..... In-Reply-To: <000501c4e745$f6a53b80$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <20041220150010.GA23303@beton.cybernet.src> <20041221064044.GA29095@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c4e745$f6a53b80$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <41C85340.40807@duje.net> Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >I have an offer for you.... >Let to send an small gift to Karl Kulhav? for his developmnet??? >A lot of us will rather see RONJA 100MB (maybe more). >I think 100KC (4$) is not deadly sum of money. And manytimes of small sum is >great sum of money for development ;-) > >Regards Jarda. > > > Is there an easy way to send it? From kero at matfyz.cz Tue Dec 21 16:58:03 2004 From: kero at matfyz.cz (Kero) Date: Tue Dec 21 16:59:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <41C82BBB.8020707@katka.biz> References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> <41C82BBB.8020707@katka.biz> Message-ID: <41C8561B.3000709@matfyz.cz> Intuice a zdravy rozum je v tomto pripade chybou, tohle by nejspise vyhralo soutez o nejcastejsi chybu. Dokonce i OndrejT, ktery opravoval zminenou chybu ji za 3 dny po oprave zopakoval. Kero Martin Polehla napsal(a): > To se mi stalo taky .. intuitivne jsem naletoval stabilizatory na dps > obracene, nez je v navodu. Me ale nastesti zadny broucek neodesel. > > p0l0us > > Ondrej Tesar wrote: > >> Zdravim, >> tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat >> na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. >> Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v >> haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na >> ten spatnej? >> >> Diky Ondra >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Tue Dec 21 18:10:25 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Tue Dec 21 18:11:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <41C8561B.3000709@matfyz.cz> References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> <41C82BBB.8020707@katka.biz> <41C8561B.3000709@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: njn tak musime potlacovat selskly rozum.. a koukat se do katalogu ;) ROOTen On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:58:03 +0100, Kero wrote: > Intuice a zdravy rozum je v tomto pripade chybou, tohle by nejspise > vyhralo soutez o nejcastejsi chybu. Dokonce i OndrejT, ktery opravoval > zminenou chybu ji za 3 dny po oprave zopakoval. > Kero > > Martin Polehla napsal(a): >> To se mi stalo taky .. intuitivne jsem naletoval stabilizatory na dps >> obracene, nez je v navodu. Me ale nastesti zadny broucek neodesel. >> p0l0us >> Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> >>> Zdravim, >>> tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat >>> na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. >>> Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v >>> haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na >>> ten spatnej? >>> >>> Diky Ondra >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Dec 21 18:26:26 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Petr Seliger) Date: Tue Dec 21 18:28:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> Message-ID: <41C878E2.5355.F8F00@localhost> Takovehle zavady zjistuju tak, ze postrikam desku sprejem freeze z GM a pak pripojim lab. zdroj s omezen?m proudu a opatrne mu pridavam. Deska je pokrit? jinovatkou a jsou nadherne videt svaby co topej moc nebo malo, ty jsou podezrele. > Zdravim, > tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat > na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. > Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v > haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na > ten spatnej? > > Diky Ondra > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Dec 21 19:21:29 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jakub_S=FDkora?=) Date: Tue Dec 21 19:22:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vanoce..... In-Reply-To: <41C85340.40807@duje.net> References: <20041220150010.GA23303@beton.cybernet.src> <20041221064044.GA29095@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c4e745$f6a53b80$d203a8c0@diablo> <41C85340.40807@duje.net> Message-ID: <41C877B9.5090404@kbx.cz> I think this can be answered only by Karel Kulhavy (Clock). Can you tell us further info about bank account, where can we donate? Thx Clock. Kubajz Ivo wrote: > Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > >> I have an offer for you.... >> Let to send an small gift to Karl Kulhav? for his developmnet??? >> A lot of us will rather see RONJA 100MB (maybe more). >> I think 100KC (4$) is not deadly sum of money. And manytimes of small >> sum is >> great sum of money for development ;-) >> >> Regards Jarda. >> >> >> > Is there an easy way to send it? > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Dec 21 23:01:30 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Dec 21 23:03:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vanoce..... References: <20041220150010.GA23303@beton.cybernet.src> <20041221064044.GA29095@beton.cybernet.src><000501c4e745$f6a53b80$d203a8c0@diablo> <41C85340.40807@duje.net> Message-ID: <002701c4e7b1$29b6a5c0$d203a8c0@diablo> On RONJA PAGE is: http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php Contact for sending donations: ronja@twibright.com. For more info on donations see Ronja Project Sustainability Model. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivo" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vanoce..... > Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > >I have an offer for you.... > >Let to send an small gift to Karl Kulhav? for his developmnet??? > >A lot of us will rather see RONJA 100MB (maybe more). > >I think 100KC (4$) is not deadly sum of money. And manytimes of small sum is > >great sum of money for development ;-) > > > >Regards Jarda. > > > > > > > Is there an easy way to send it? > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > . From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 22 07:22:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 22 07:23:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041222072252.GB1096@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 01:48:26PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat > na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. > Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v > haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na > ten spatnej? Have you got an oscilloscope? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 22 07:39:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 22 07:40:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041222073955.GC1096@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 02:35:45PM +0100, ronja-bounces+clock=twibright.com@lists.pointless.net wrote: > tak to snad vypajej kondiky a udelej nove twistra :)... me by se to zistovat teda fakt nechtelo....:) I have added note that desoldered parts should not be used into: receiver transmitter twister aui forte metropolis tetrapolis Cl< > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Ondrej Tesar > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:48:26 +0100 > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni > > > > Zdravim, > > tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat > > na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. > > Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v > > haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na > > ten spatnej? > > > > Diky Ondra > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Dec 22 19:05:13 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Dec 22 19:05:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <20041222073955.GC1096@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041222073955.GC1096@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <364478680.20041222200513@volny.cz> I couldnt find it. Any link? Ondra KK> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 02:35:45PM +0100, KK> ronja-bounces+clock=twibright.com@lists.pointless.net wrote: >> tak to snad vypajej kondiky a udelej nove twistra :)... me by >> se to zistovat teda fakt nechtelo....:) KK> I have added note that desoldered parts should not be used into: KK> receiver KK> transmitter KK> twister KK> aui forte KK> metropolis KK> tetrapolis KK> Cl< >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > Od: Ondrej Tesar >> > Komu: Twibright Ronja >> > Datum: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:48:26 +0100 >> > P?edm?t: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni >> > >> > Zdravim, >> > tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat >> > na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. >> > Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v >> > haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na >> > ten spatnej? >> > >> > Diky Ondra >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ronja mailing list >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 23 08:29:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 23 08:30:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <20041223082956.GA508@beton.cybernet.src> Merry Christmas. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 23 08:30:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 23 08:30:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <41C8561B.3000709@matfyz.cz> References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> <41C82BBB.8020707@katka.biz> <41C8561B.3000709@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <20041223083027.GB508@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 05:58:03PM +0100, Kero wrote: > Intuice a zdravy rozum je v tomto pripade chybou, tohle by nejspise vyhralo > soutez o nejcastejsi chybu. Dokonce i OndrejT, ktery opravoval zminenou > chybu ji za 3 dny po oprave zopakoval. > Kero I am planning to flip it over as soon as I get to doing changes in Twister. Cl< From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Thu Dec 23 08:46:17 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Thu Dec 23 08:46:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merry Christmas Message-ID: Merry Christmas to all :) Silvije ------- www.silvije.tk From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 23 08:51:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 23 08:52:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> <41C82BBB.8020707@katka.biz> <41C8561B.3000709@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <20041223085151.GC508@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 07:10:25PM +0100, Petr Dvo??k wrote: > njn tak musime potlacovat selskly rozum.. a koukat se do katalogu ;) I have discovered couple of days ago that the user was said that he'll not need schematic but had to look up the 7805 pinout in the schematic or datasheet. This is a bug of the building manual. Today I have added 7805 drawing into the Twister assignment helper sheet. http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/assignment.png Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 23 08:52:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 23 08:53:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <41C878E2.5355.F8F00@localhost> References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> <41C878E2.5355.F8F00@localhost> Message-ID: <20041223085258.GD508@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 07:26:26PM +0100, Petr Seliger wrote: > Takovehle zavady zjistuju tak, ze postrikam desku sprejem freeze z GM a pak pripojim > lab. zdroj s omezen?m proudu a opatrne mu pridavam. Deska je pokrit? jinovatkou a > jsou nadherne videt svaby co topej moc nebo malo, ty jsou podezrele. A ta jinovatka je vodni para a nebo nejaka substance z toho spreje zmrzla? Cl< From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Thu Dec 23 08:52:26 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Thu Dec 23 08:53:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <20041223082956.GA508@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041223082956.GA508@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Merry Christmas and happy new year! PS: letos uz bych ronju mohl dodelat :) ROOTen On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:29:56 +0000, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > Merry Christmas. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 23 09:00:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 23 09:00:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vanoce..... In-Reply-To: <41C877B9.5090404@kbx.cz> References: <20041221064044.GA29095@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c4e745$f6a53b80$d203a8c0@diablo> <41C85340.40807@duje.net> <41C877B9.5090404@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <20041223090021.GA884@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 08:21:29PM +0100, Jakub S?kora wrote: > I think this can be answered only by Karel Kulhavy (Clock). Can you tell > us further info about bank account, where can we donate? Kod banky: 0300 Cislo uctu: 6699 Specificky symbol: 26754767 Specificky symbol je nutne uvest. Cislo uctu ma skutecne jen 4 cislice. (Czech only account) Posilani tam funguje jen z Cech, ze Slovenska ne :( Nefungujou bohuzel takovy ty zpravy pro prijemce, takze pokud neco poslete, tak bud volte nejakou neokrouhlou castku a reknete kolik jste poslali, nebo poslete cislo uctu odkud jste poslali (to se dozvim). Taky reknete prosim koho mam presne napsat do seznamu darcu. If anyone wants to contribute from abroad please drop me a mail, so we can arrange on details. There may be more possible ways how to do it. Cl< > > Thx Clock. > > Kubajz > > Ivo wrote: > >Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > >>I have an offer for you.... > >>Let to send an small gift to Karl Kulhav? for his developmnet??? > >>A lot of us will rather see RONJA 100MB (maybe more). > >>I think 100KC (4$) is not deadly sum of money. And manytimes of small > >>sum is > >>great sum of money for development ;-) > >> > >>Regards Jarda. > >> > >> > >> > >Is there an easy way to send it? > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 23 09:02:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 23 09:02:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <364478680.20041222200513@volny.cz> References: <20041222073955.GC1096@beton.cybernet.src> <364478680.20041222200513@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041223090233.GA956@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 08:05:13PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > I couldnt find it. Any link? > > Ondra > > KK> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 02:35:45PM +0100, > KK> ronja-bounces+clock=twibright.com@lists.pointless.net wrote: > >> tak to snad vypajej kondiky a udelej nove twistra :)... me by > >> se to zistovat teda fakt nechtelo....:) > > KK> I have added note that desoldered parts should not be used into: > KK> receiver > KK> transmitter > KK> twister > KK> aui forte > KK> metropolis > KK> tetrapolis For example here: http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material.php Maybe I forgot to run make rsync to sync the copy on ronja.twibright.com, in such case sorry. CL< From polous at katka.biz Thu Dec 23 09:06:39 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Dec 23 09:05:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: References: <20041223082956.GA508@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41CA8A9F.1070603@katka.biz> Merry chirmas to everyone. [tumorou ;)] 2Petr. ... mas na to ehm .. tyden ? myslis :))) Petr Dvo??k wrote: > Merry Christmas and happy new year! > PS: letos uz bych ronju mohl dodelat :) > > ROOTen > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:29:56 +0000, Karel Kulhavy > wrote: > >> Merry Christmas. >> >> Cl< >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 23 09:05:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 23 09:05:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <1107405010.20041222200206@volny.cz> References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> <20041222072252.GB1096@beton.cybernet.src> <1107405010.20041222200206@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041223090540.GB956@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 08:02:06PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Actualy no. Then probably it's better to throw the whole Twister away and make another one, or give it to someone who has got a scope and has time and taste to play with it. If you replace the bad chip there is still slight chance that some other is half bad and die after some time completely. I think without oscilloscope the tracking effort will not be adequate to the price of the board and the components. Cl< From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Thu Dec 23 09:09:53 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Thu Dec 23 09:10:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <41CA8A9F.1070603@katka.biz> References: <20041223082956.GA508@beton.cybernet.src> <41CA8A9F.1070603@katka.biz> Message-ID: njn sem se prekouk ;) ROOTen On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:06:39 +0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Merry chirmas to everyone. [tumorou ;)] > > 2Petr. ... mas na to ehm .. tyden ? myslis :))) > > Petr Dvo??k wrote: > >> Merry Christmas and happy new year! >> PS: letos uz bych ronju mohl dodelat :) >> >> ROOTen >> >> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:29:56 +0000, Karel Kulhavy >> wrote: >> >>> Merry Christmas. >>> >>> Cl< >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Dec 23 09:35:01 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Dec 23 09:32:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 - dostupnost Message-ID: <200412231035.01471.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Zdravim na vanoce mam jednu takovou jobovku (mozna): Kolega objednaval soucastky u GM a bylo mu receno, ze po novem roce prijde posledni zasilka NE592 a pak uz nebudou, protoze se prestaly vyrabet. Je to falesna poplasna zprava (kez by), nebo realita vsednich dni? Uvazuje se o nejake modernejsi nahrade? (NE592 je prece jenom pomerne fousaty IO) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From kucik at net22.cz Thu Dec 23 10:31:11 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Thu Dec 23 10:33:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vanoce..... In-Reply-To: <20041223090021.GA884@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41C877B9.5090404@kbx.cz> <20041221064044.GA29095@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c4e745$f6a53b80$d203a8c0@diablo> <41C85340.40807@duje.net> <41C877B9.5090404@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041223112856.02495840@mail.net22.cz> >Taky reknete prosim koho mam >presne napsat do seznamu darcu. > >Cl< Napis Vanocni nadilka. > > > > Thx Clock. > > > > Kubajz > > > > Ivo wrote: > > >Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > > >>I have an offer for you.... > > >>Let to send an small gift to Karl Kulhav? for his developmnet??? > > >>A lot of us will rather see RONJA 100MB (maybe more). > > >>I think 100KC (4$) is not deadly sum of money. And manytimes of small > > >>sum is > > >>great sum of money for development ;-) > > >> > > >>Regards Jarda. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >Is there an easy way to send it? > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Korda.m at seznam.cz Thu Dec 23 13:35:54 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Thu Dec 23 13:36:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem References: <001c01c4dd49$b7472260$02086b0a@atintel><20041210185653.GD26164@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c4deed$f60c6780$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <001901c4e8f4$53ed2050$02086b0a@atintel> Takze problem s malym dosahem je vyresen. Byla spatna BPW43. Poznal jsem to, kdyz jsem ji zkusil zmerit v propustnem smeru merakem diod - nic neukazal, zatimco u te v poradku ukazal bezne napeti asi 0.6V. Vsem dekuji za rady... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milan Korda" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem > Je to airwire. Vsechno podle navodu. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem > > >> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 06:16:50PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >>> Zdravim. Tak jsem konecne postavil svoji prvni Ronju, ale mam problem s >>> malym >>> dosahem jednoho RX na zemi. >> >> Is it airwire RX or PCB one? >> >> Cl< >> >>> Prvni RX jede bez PL asi na 2m, druhe asi jen na 80cm, oboji se stejnym >>> TX. U >>> prvniho RX se zacnou pakety ztracet kdyz klesne RSSI asi pod 40mV, u >>> druheho >>> je to asi 750mV. FET(BF988) jsem zkousel menit - P104 klesnul asi o 1V, >>> ale >>> na dosah to nemelo vliv. Fotodiody mam BPW43. Hodnoty vsech testpointu >>> jsou v >>> poradku az na P101 kde je asi o 0.5V min nez udavane minimum. Predem >>> dekuji >>> za kazdou radu :) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Korda.m at seznam.cz Thu Dec 23 13:42:59 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Thu Dec 23 13:43:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> <41C82BBB.8020707@katka.biz> <41C8561B.3000709@matfyz.cz> Message-ID: <004f01c4e8f5$50df9cc0$02086b0a@atintel> Ja jsem to poprve prehodil taky, ale nastesti jeste nez jsem twistra zapnul jsem zmeril odpor mezi +12 a zemi, bylo tam kolem 3k. Pokud je stabilizator spravne tak tam ma byt nekonecno a mezi +5V a zemi prave kolem 3k :) Je to takova nejrychlejsi kontrola :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kero" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni > Intuice a zdravy rozum je v tomto pripade chybou, tohle by nejspise > vyhralo soutez o nejcastejsi chybu. Dokonce i OndrejT, ktery opravoval > zminenou chybu ji za 3 dny po oprave zopakoval. > Kero > > Martin Polehla napsal(a): >> To se mi stalo taky .. intuitivne jsem naletoval stabilizatory na dps >> obracene, nez je v navodu. Me ale nastesti zadny broucek neodesel. >> >> p0l0us >> >> Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> >>> Zdravim, >>> tak se mi podarilo prohozenim vstupu a vystupu na stabilizatoru poslat >>> na obvody v twisterovi 6-7V. >>> Bohuzel zadny brouk neexplodoval, takze nevim kterej z tech 18ti je v >>> haji. Nesetkal jste se s tim nekdo? Nemate nejaky tip, jak prijit na >>> ten spatnej? >>> >>> Diky Ondra >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ronjabuilder at online.de Thu Dec 23 19:30:18 2004 From: ronjabuilder at online.de (Daniel Berger) Date: Thu Dec 23 19:31:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] How does Twister work? Message-ID: <41CB1CCA.20707@online.de> Hello List! Is there anywhere a short overview how Ronja Twister, respectively AUI Forte works internally? What do the ICs do? How do the protocols work? Good software sources are always commented. So why not comment hardward sources (schematics)? And I also wonder about these three fucking chips for driving the transmitting diode. Why not simply use a power MOSFET? BTW, the table in the upper right corner of http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/aui_forte.png seems a bit messed up. merry christmas to all of you, Daniel From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Dec 23 20:01:16 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Dec 23 20:01:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: References: <20041223082956.GA508@beton.cybernet.src> <41CA8A9F.1070603@katka.biz> Message-ID: <200412232101.16591.ladmanj@volny.cz> Bl?smrt ?ber alles. From ronjabuilder at online.de Thu Dec 23 20:20:12 2004 From: ronjabuilder at online.de (Daniel Berger) Date: Thu Dec 23 20:20:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <200412232101.16591.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20041223082956.GA508@beton.cybernet.src> <41CA8A9F.1070603@katka.biz> <200412232101.16591.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <41CB287C.1040100@online.de> Jakub Ladman schrieb: > Bl?smrt ?ber alles. > Fr?hliche Weihnachten! From maco at host.sk Thu Dec 23 22:53:26 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Thu Dec 23 22:54:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <41CB287C.1040100@online.de> References: <20041223082956.GA508@beton.cybernet.src> <41CA8A9F.1070603@katka.biz> <200412232101.16591.ladmanj@volny.cz> <41CB287C.1040100@online.de> Message-ID: <41CB4C66.1020703@host.sk> Vesele Vianoce ;) Daniel Berger wrote: > Jakub Ladman schrieb: > >> Bl?smrt ?ber alles. >> > > Fr?hliche Weihnachten! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ NOD32 1.957 (20041222) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Dec 24 00:15:23 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Dec 24 00:16:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <20041223090540.GB956@beton.cybernet.src> References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> <20041222072252.GB1096@beton.cybernet.src> <1107405010.20041222200206@volny.cz> <20041223090540.GB956@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1489108658.20041224011523@volny.cz> I think that it would be wasting... In the prolog "About Ronja" is: In case of device failure for example after a direct lightning strike the measuring points can be inspected and bad components replaced without a need to throw the whole device out. ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :-) I hope that I'll find the wrong IO and replace them. Ondra KK> On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 08:02:06PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> Actualy no. KK> Then probably it's better to throw the whole Twister away and make another one, KK> or give it to someone who has got a scope and has time and taste to play with KK> it. KK> If you replace the bad chip there is still slight chance that some other is KK> half bad and die after some time completely. I think without oscilloscope the KK> tracking effort will not be adequate to the price of the board and the KK> components. KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 24 11:27:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 24 11:27:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 - dostupnost In-Reply-To: <200412231035.01471.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200412231035.01471.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20041224112702.GA877@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 10:35:01AM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Zdravim > > na vanoce mam jednu takovou jobovku (mozna): > > Kolega objednaval soucastky u GM a bylo mu receno, ze po novem roce prijde > posledni zasilka NE592 a pak uz nebudou, protoze se prestaly vyrabet. Philips really says that it's discontinued. However Texas Instruments has TL592 as "active". Cl< > > Je to falesna poplasna zprava (kez by), nebo realita vsednich dni? > > Uvazuje se o nejake modernejsi nahrade? (NE592 je prece jenom pomerne fousaty > IO) > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klapek at kki.net.pl Fri Dec 24 12:12:29 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Fri Dec 24 12:11:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] How does Twister work? In-Reply-To: <41CB1CCA.20707@online.de> References: <41CB1CCA.20707@online.de> Message-ID: <200412241312.29976.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Thursday 23 of December 2004 20:30, Daniel Berger wrote: > Is there anywhere a short overview how Ronja Twister, > respectively AUI Forte works internally? > What do the ICs do? How do the protocols work? > Good software sources are always commented. > So why not comment hardward sources (schematics)? Forte consist basically of: - a (resettable) 1MHz square wave generator (south part of the schematics) - a pulse stretcher with some glue logic that works as a detector for pockets incoming from the NIC. (east side of the schematics) - another pulse stretcher with logic that discriminates the 1MHz fill signal and passes the packets coming form RX module. (west part) - line drivers and receivers > And I also wonder about these three fucking chips > for driving the transmitting diode. > Why not simply use a power MOSFET? Do you know of any MOSFET which has following features: - is fast enough, and - can continously work with hight currents required by the HPWT, and - is easily obtainable all around the globe, and - does cost less then a good car ;-) If so, share its symbol with us. You can also think about those fucking chips that way: 74HC-series ICs consist of FETs either way, and those are known to work quite well in parallel. > BTW, the table in the upper right corner of > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/aui_forte.png > seems a bit messed up. So it seems. Merry Xmas to those whom it concerns, Tomek Koprowski From klapek at kki.net.pl Fri Dec 24 12:14:23 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Fri Dec 24 12:13:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <41CB287C.1040100@online.de> References: <20041223082956.GA508@beton.cybernet.src> <200412232101.16591.ladmanj@volny.cz> <41CB287C.1040100@online.de> Message-ID: <200412241314.23748.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Thursday 23 of December 2004 21:20, Daniel Berger wrote: > > Bl?smrt ?ber alles. > Fr?hliche Weihnachten! Weso?ych ?wi?t! (for those not ISO-8859-2 capable: Wesol/ych S'wia,t! ) Tomek Koprowski From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Dec 24 14:39:32 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Dec 24 14:40:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <41CB4C66.1020703@host.sk> References: <20041223082956.GA508@beton.cybernet.src> <41CA8A9F.1070603@katka.biz> <200412232101.16591.ladmanj@volny.cz> <41CB287C.1040100@online.de> <41CB4C66.1020703@host.sk> Message-ID: <1103899172.41cc2a2490bcf@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc," viz priloha. > Vesele Vianoce ;) > > Daniel Berger wrote: > > > Jakub Ladman schrieb: > > > >> Bl?smrt ?ber alles. > >> > > > > Fr?hliche Weihnachten! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ NOD32 1.957 (20041222) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RXo.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 90829 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041224/ae1a3edf/RXo-0001.jpg From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 24 17:44:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 24 17:45:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem In-Reply-To: <001901c4e8f4$53ed2050$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001f01c4deed$f60c6780$02086b0a@atintel> <001901c4e8f4$53ed2050$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20041224174448.GA1460@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 02:35:54PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > Takze problem s malym dosahem je vyresen. Byla spatna BPW43. Poznal jsem > to, kdyz jsem ji zkusil zmerit v propustnem smeru merakem diod - nic > neukazal, zatimco u te v poradku ukazal bezne napeti asi 0.6V. Vsem dekuji > za rady... Byla ta BPW43 spatna uz od zacatku od zakoupeni, a nebo utrpela nejaky sok, ktery by to mohl zpusobit? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 24 17:57:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 24 17:57:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] gschem bugreport Message-ID: <20041224175727.GB1460@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Ales, The postscript output substantially differs from what gschem displays. gschem schematic: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/aui_forte.sch gschem's postscript output: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/aui_forte_00.ps Difference: large textual table near upper right corner. It looks like the text is placed on different place into postscript than is displayed in gschem. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 24 18:24:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 24 18:24:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] How does Twister work? In-Reply-To: <41CB1CCA.20707@online.de> References: <41CB1CCA.20707@online.de> Message-ID: <20041224182432.GC1460@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 08:30:18PM +0100, Daniel Berger wrote: > Hello List! > > Is there anywhere a short overview how Ronja Twister, > respectively AUI Forte works internally? I didn't write anything like that. > What do the ICs do? How do the protocols work?Q The IEEE802.3 protocol is described in IEEE802.3 standard see http://ronja.twibright.com/web.php > Good software sources are always commented. > So why not comment hardward sources (schematics)? Reasons I didn't do it include the fact that it takes substantial extra amount of time to do it. Ronja guide is specified to provide general public user a possibility to use the device on user level. Goal of the Ronja project doesn't include (at least as I perceive it currently) educating general public about internal working and principles of Ronja device that aren't necessary for user level utilization. > BTW, the table in the upper right corner of > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/aui_forte.png > seems a bit messed up. Thanks. It looks like a bug of gschem. I have sent a bugreport to Ales Hvezda, maintainer of gschem. I sent a copy of this bugreport as previous mail into Ronja mailing list. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 24 18:30:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 24 18:30:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ozivovani twistera po prehozeni napajeni In-Reply-To: <1489108658.20041224011523@volny.cz> References: <165821324.20041221134826@volny.cz> <20041222072252.GB1096@beton.cybernet.src> <1107405010.20041222200206@volny.cz> <20041223090540.GB956@beton.cybernet.src> <1489108658.20041224011523@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20041224183017.GD1460@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Dec 24, 2004 at 01:15:23AM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > I think that it would be wasting... In the prolog "About Ronja" is: > > In case of device failure for example after a direct lightning strike > the measuring points can be inspected and bad components replaced > without a need to throw the whole device out. ^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you told me that the device was hit by a lightning I would recommend you replacing the interface drivers and receivers first and trying to run the device again. Cl< From Korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Dec 25 06:25:06 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Dec 25 06:25:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem References: <001f01c4deed$f60c6780$02086b0a@atintel><001901c4e8f4$53ed2050$02086b0a@atintel> <20041224174448.GA1460@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c2abde$4d54aec0$02086b0a@atintel> To nevim, predtim jsem ji nemeril. Koupil jsem je 2 najednou a od prvniho testovani je ta jedna spatna... Ten obchod odkud jsou mi jeste prodal 2 spatny BF908 :( Pak jsem uz neriskoval a koupil v GME BF988 a bez problemu :) Bohuzel BPW43 jsem jinde nenasel... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Maly dosah na zemi - RX problem > On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 02:35:54PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >> Takze problem s malym dosahem je vyresen. Byla spatna BPW43. Poznal jsem >> to, kdyz jsem ji zkusil zmerit v propustnem smeru merakem diod - nic >> neukazal, zatimco u te v poradku ukazal bezne napeti asi 0.6V. Vsem >> dekuji >> za rady... > > Byla ta BPW43 spatna uz od zacatku od zakoupeni, a nebo utrpela nejaky > sok, > ktery by to mohl zpusobit? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sun Dec 26 13:34:24 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sun Dec 26 13:35:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Diody K TX. nutne shanim... (2ks) Message-ID: <453.489-11141-2046366709-1104068064@seznam.cz> Nutne shanim tak 2ks diod k tx k ronje... kdo dve proda? thx... neo10 From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Dec 26 19:10:08 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (boza2@volny.cz) Date: Sun Dec 26 19:10:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Diody K TX. nutne shanim... (2ks) In-Reply-To: <453.489-11141-2046366709-1104068064@seznam.cz> References: <453.489-11141-2046366709-1104068064@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <313a74568cc6e291fccc5626b3c8c8d5@www3.mail.volny.cz> Ahoj, muze byt. Mam F4000 25Kc/ks v Ut rano odjizdim, vracim se v So. Ondra ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Damir ?poljari?" Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net P?edm?t: [Ronja] Diody K TX. nutne shanim... (2ks) Datum: 26.12.2004 - 14:35:09 > Nutne shanim tak 2ks diod k tx k ronje... kdo dve proda? > thx... > neo10 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- A za kolik kupujete ELEKTRO Vy? http://www.MALL.cz/penezenka Ov??te si p?es SMS, kolik se d? U?ET?IT! From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 27 13:13:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Dec 27 13:13:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P Message-ID: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Twibright Labs proudly present: I2C2P ----- * I2C interface (adaptor) for parallel port * Free technology electronics device * Bidirectional: Both SDA and SCL are bidirectional * Optically isolated * Powered from parallel port * Designed for 5V I2C only, I2C part is powered from I2C connector. * I2C connector pins: +5V, SDA, SCL, GND * Driver for Linux kernel http://i2c2p.twibright.com Design cycle performed using full-blown gEDA + PCB tools, of course ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 27 13:59:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Dec 27 13:59:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: I2C2P checkout? In-Reply-To: <200412270833.46582.bob@bpaddock.com> References: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src> <200412270833.46582.bob@bpaddock.com> Message-ID: <20041227135933.GC3226@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 08:33:46AM -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: > On Monday 27 December 2004 08:13 am, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > I2C2P > > > Design cycle performed using full-blown gEDA + PCB tools, of course ;-) > > What did I do wrong in checking this out? > > > tla register-archive http://twin.jikos.cz/~clock/{archives}/2004-twibright > tla get clock@twibright.com--2004-twibright/i2c2p--mainline--0.1 i2c2p > > No such package > name: clock@twibright.com--2004-twibright > location: http://twin.jikos.cz/~clock/{archives}/2004-twibright > package: clock@twibright.com--2004-twibright/i2c2p--mainline--0.1 Sorry. The permissions on the server were wrong. Fixed. It works now. I used to use it through sftp where I was authenticated as the particular user so I didn't notice any paranoia in the perms. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Mon Dec 27 19:35:18 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Mon Dec 27 19:35:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P References: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001d01c4ec4b$338da640$d203a8c0@diablo> Vups.... A k cemu to slouzi :)) (pro nas nezasvecene....) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: Cc: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:13 PM Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P > Hello > > Twibright Labs proudly present: > > I2C2P > ----- > > * I2C interface (adaptor) for parallel port > * Free technology electronics device > * Bidirectional: Both SDA and SCL are bidirectional > * Optically isolated > * Powered from parallel port > * Designed for 5V I2C only, I2C part is powered from I2C connector. > * I2C connector pins: +5V, SDA, SCL, GND > * Driver for Linux kernel > > http://i2c2p.twibright.com > > Design cycle performed using full-blown gEDA + PCB tools, of course ;-) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 27 20:51:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Dec 27 20:52:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P In-Reply-To: <001d01c4ec4b$338da640$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src> <001d01c4ec4b$338da640$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20041227205150.GB6091@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 08:35:18PM +0100, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Vups.... > A k cemu to slouzi :)) (pro nas nezasvecene....) You can connect I2C devices to the PC without thinking about various electrical potentials etc. You can use it for flashing variou live devices that have 5V I2C inside, or for measuring using I2C chips. The primary application for I2C2P was measuring temperature inside RAID arrays (one sensor for each disk, for example). The array is sometimes a separate device from the PC. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Dec 27 21:44:27 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Dec 27 21:45:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P References: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src> <001d01c4ec4b$338da640$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <000801c4ec5d$3d7c81a0$0101a8c0@cz> Treba kdyz chces odbloknout founa pres EEPROM co ma IIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslav Mixa" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P > Vups.... > A k cemu to slouzi :)) (pro nas nezasvecene....) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: > Cc: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:13 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P > > > > Hello > > > > Twibright Labs proudly present: > > > > I2C2P > > ----- > > > > * I2C interface (adaptor) for parallel port > > * Free technology electronics device > > * Bidirectional: Both SDA and SCL are bidirectional > > * Optically isolated > > * Powered from parallel port > > * Designed for 5V I2C only, I2C part is powered from I2C connector. > > * I2C connector pins: +5V, SDA, SCL, GND > > * Driver for Linux kernel > > > > http://i2c2p.twibright.com > > > > Design cycle performed using full-blown gEDA + PCB tools, of course ;-) > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kendy at hkfree.org Tue Dec 28 07:09:40 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy - HKFree) Date: Tue Dec 28 07:10:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P In-Reply-To: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41D106B4.5020100@hkfree.org> Perfektni, co s tim budem ovladat, ci jake hodnoty nacitat ? Kendy HKFree Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > Hello > > Twibright Labs proudly present: > > I2C2P > ----- > > * I2C interface (adaptor) for parallel port > * Free technology electronics device > * Bidirectional: Both SDA and SCL are bidirectional > * Optically isolated > * Powered from parallel port > * Designed for 5V I2C only, I2C part is powered from I2C connector. > * I2C connector pins: +5V, SDA, SCL, GND > * Driver for Linux kernel > > http://i2c2p.twibright.com > > Design cycle performed using full-blown gEDA + PCB tools, of course ;-) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Dec 28 09:35:32 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Dec 28 09:36:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P In-Reply-To: <001d01c4ec4b$338da640$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src> <001d01c4ec4b$338da640$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20041228093531.GA10921@feanor> On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 08:35:18PM +0100, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Vups.... > A k cemu to slouzi :)) (pro nas nezasvecene....) You can connect I2C based chips for measuring voltage and measure Ronja RSSI. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 28 09:38:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Dec 28 09:38:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P In-Reply-To: <41D106B4.5020100@hkfree.org> References: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src> <41D106B4.5020100@hkfree.org> Message-ID: <20041228093822.GC13941@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 08:09:40AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > Perfektni, co s tim budem ovladat, ci jake hodnoty nacitat ? Na Ronju to neni - teda pokud nekdo neprijde na nejake vyuziti - je to separatni projekt, ktery jsem delal, protoze jsem musel :) Zadavatel to hodla aplikovat na mereni teploty v RAIDovych diskovych polich prostrednictvim I2C a vetsiho mnozstvi teplotnich cidel. Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Dec 28 09:51:19 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Dec 28 09:51:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P References: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src><41D106B4.5020100@hkfree.org> <20041228093822.GC13941@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000b01c4ecc2$c8c794b0$0103450a@thechosen> hmmm a neni to na prd kdyz ma kazdej disk uz teplotni cidlo v sobe a da se cist primo na ruznych portech? ale jestli to pole je externi nebo to neumi radic tak asi nic jineho nezbude Glo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P > On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 08:09:40AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > > Perfektni, co s tim budem ovladat, ci jake hodnoty nacitat ? > > Na Ronju to neni - teda pokud nekdo neprijde na nejake vyuziti - je to > separatni projekt, ktery jsem delal, protoze jsem musel :) > > Zadavatel to hodla aplikovat na mereni teploty v RAIDovych diskovych polich > prostrednictvim I2C a vetsiho mnozstvi teplotnich cidel. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kendy at hkfree.org Tue Dec 28 09:46:53 2004 From: kendy at hkfree.org (Kendy) Date: Tue Dec 28 09:59:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P References: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src><41D106B4.5020100@hkfree.org> <20041228093822.GC13941@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00b301c4ecc3$f7622a00$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> A co treba to mereni RSSI ? SDA bychom mohli hnat po RXku SCL bychom hnali treba po TXku pokud by to neslo, tak by na to musel byt solo kabel... Nebo jine napady ? Kendy HKfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P > On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 08:09:40AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > > Perfektni, co s tim budem ovladat, ci jake hodnoty nacitat ? > > Na Ronju to neni - teda pokud nekdo neprijde na nejake vyuziti - je to > separatni projekt, ktery jsem delal, protoze jsem musel :) > > Zadavatel to hodla aplikovat na mereni teploty v RAIDovych diskovych polich > prostrednictvim I2C a vetsiho mnozstvi teplotnich cidel. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Dec 28 10:09:07 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Dec 28 10:09:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P References: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src><41D106B4.5020100@hkfree.org><20041228093822.GC13941@beton.cybernet.src> <00b301c4ecc3$f7622a00$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> Message-ID: <000901c4ecc5$453db180$0103450a@thechosen> i kdyby to slo jak rssi prevedes na i2c sbernici? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P > A co treba to mereni RSSI ? > > SDA bychom mohli hnat po RXku > SCL bychom hnali treba po TXku > pokud by to neslo, tak by na to musel byt solo kabel... > > Nebo jine napady ? > > > Kendy > HKfree > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P > > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 08:09:40AM +0100, Kendy - HKFree wrote: > > > Perfektni, co s tim budem ovladat, ci jake hodnoty nacitat ? > > > > Na Ronju to neni - teda pokud nekdo neprijde na nejake vyuziti - je to > > separatni projekt, ktery jsem delal, protoze jsem musel :) > > > > Zadavatel to hodla aplikovat na mereni teploty v RAIDovych diskovych > polich > > prostrednictvim I2C a vetsiho mnozstvi teplotnich cidel. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Dec 28 10:26:43 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Dec 28 10:27:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P In-Reply-To: <000901c4ecc5$453db180$0103450a@thechosen> References: <00b301c4ecc3$f7622a00$6f01a8c0@agihk.cz> <000901c4ecc5$453db180$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20041228102643.GA11691@feanor> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 11:09:07AM +0100, Michal Malusek wrote: > i kdyby to slo jak rssi prevedes na i2c sbernici? Napriklad chip LM85 ma I2C rozhrani a 5 napetovych vstupu - muzes merit rovnou 5 spoju jednim cipem :-) . -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041228/e9fdddc1/attachment-0001.bin From buckwitt at hotmail.com Tue Dec 28 11:13:08 2004 From: buckwitt at hotmail.com (Derek Courtis) Date: Tue Dec 28 11:14:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja capacitors sensitivity....? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041228/49090f6a/attachment.htm From hollari1 at gmx.at Tue Dec 28 12:28:37 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Tue Dec 28 12:29:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] I2C Interface References: <20041228120335.14286gmx1@mx020.gmx.net> Message-ID: <15589.1104236917@www71.gmx.net> Hi Clock ! I thought about making such an Interface too, some time ago. But i couldnt imagine that this could be so complicated. What do you e.g. need this voltage multiplyer for ?!? Sigi -- +++ Sparen Sie mit GMX DSL +++ http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl AKTION für Wechsler: DSL-Tarife ab 3,99 EUR/Monat + Startguthaben From bill at completelyclean.com Tue Dec 28 12:34:57 2004 From: bill at completelyclean.com (N4BKT William Laakkonen) Date: Tue Dec 28 12:35:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja capacitors sensitivity....? References: Message-ID: <00c801c4ecd9$a43c2540$6400a8c0@eyq4ksyfzgo> Hi Derek, 224K is 220nF - the 4 is the multiplier value. Good luck with the circuit. Bill Laakkonen ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Courtis To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:13 AM Subject: [Ronja] ronja capacitors sensitivity....? The diagrams for the Ronja receiver (probably others too) specify using a couple of 220n capacitors in parallell with a 10n. I wasn't able to get ceramic capacitors of 220n, so I'm using MKD capacitors advertised at 0.22uF insytead . However, just as I soldered the first one I've noticed that the writing on the capacitor says 224K100. Will the circuit still function correctly with the extra 4n? Thanks Derek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041228/0f1c20b1/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 28 13:40:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Dec 28 13:40:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] I2C Interface In-Reply-To: <15589.1104236917@www71.gmx.net> References: <20041228120335.14286gmx1@mx020.gmx.net> <15589.1104236917@www71.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20041228134016.GB17734@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 01:28:37PM +0100, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > > Hi Clock ! > > I thought about making such an Interface too, some time ago. > But i couldnt imagine that this could be so complicated. > > What do you e.g. need this voltage multiplyer for ?!? For powering the device's 5V. The port is guaranteed to give only very low voltage (2.4V, minus schottky drop, is 2.1V). Cl< From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Dec 28 16:01:42 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Dec 28 16:02:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P In-Reply-To: <001d01c4ec4b$338da640$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <20041227131302.GA3045@beton.cybernet.src> <001d01c4ec4b$338da640$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20041228160142.GB14047@feanor> On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 08:35:18PM +0100, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Vups.... > A k cemu to slouzi :)) (pro nas nezasvecene....) Maybe you can be interested in some info about I2C usage: http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/hardhack.html (including info about taking I2C interface from SDRAM chip). -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20041228/294dff9f/attachment.bin From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 28 17:08:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Dec 28 17:09:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twibright Labs present I2C2P In-Reply-To: <000b01c4ecc2$c8c794b0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <20041228093822.GC13941@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c4ecc2$c8c794b0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20041228170859.GC19823@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 10:51:19AM +0100, Michal Malusek wrote: > hmmm a neni to na prd kdyz ma kazdej disk uz teplotni cidlo v sobe a da se > cist primo na ruznych portech? ale jestli to pole je externi nebo to neumi > radic tak asi nic jineho nezbude To pole je externi. SCSI. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 28 17:10:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Dec 28 17:10:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja capacitors sensitivity....? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041228171045.GD19823@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 11:13:08AM +0000, Derek Courtis wrote: What is MKD? 224 is 22*10^4 pF = 220 nF Cl< From archaopttrx at arcor.de Wed Dec 29 04:02:43 2004 From: archaopttrx at arcor.de (Daniel Berger) Date: Wed Dec 29 04:03:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released Message-ID: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> Hey Guys! RONJA Inferno is released: http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/ I found it this night even before Clock announced it on the mailing list! MNI TNX TU Karel! Now I don?t have to worry any more about disturbing the neighbours with 660nm light and the house owner not allowing me to install the device. best regards, Daniel From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Wed Dec 29 07:37:33 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Wed Dec 29 07:38:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released In-Reply-To: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> Message-ID: hmm nektere casti jeste nejsou imho dodelane, ale jinak CONGR! ROOTen On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:02:43 +0100, Daniel Berger wrote: > Hey Guys! > > RONJA Inferno is released: http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/ > > I found it this night even before Clock announced it on the mailing list! > > MNI TNX TU Karel! > > Now I don?t have to worry any more about disturbing the neighbours > with 660nm light and the house owner not allowing me to install the > device. > > best regards, Daniel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From mixaj at mymail.cz Wed Dec 29 09:31:31 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Wed Dec 29 09:32:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja Inferno - nefunkcni odkaz References: <20041228171045.GD19823@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c4ed89$2f890d70$d203a8c0@diablo> http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/dist.php From Korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Dec 29 14:20:16 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Dec 29 14:19:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> Message-ID: <000901c4edb1$848f13a0$02086b0a@atintel> Vypada to zajimave :) Proc je optimalni RX s 130mm cockou a TX s 90mm? Nebyl by vetsi dosah s obema 130mm? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Dvo??k" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released > hmm nektere casti jeste nejsou imho dodelane, ale jinak CONGR! > > ROOTen > > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:02:43 +0100, Daniel Berger > wrote: > >> Hey Guys! >> >> RONJA Inferno is released: http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/ >> >> I found it this night even before Clock announced it on the mailing list! >> >> MNI TNX TU Karel! >> >> Now I don?t have to worry any more about disturbing the neighbours >> with 660nm light and the house owner not allowing me to install the >> device. >> >> best regards, Daniel >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 29 16:13:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 29 16:13:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released In-Reply-To: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20041229161323.GA5605@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 05:02:43AM +0100, Daniel Berger wrote: > Hey Guys! > > RONJA Inferno is released: http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/ It is not yet complete. I have to fix couple of bugs and supply some photographs. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 29 16:40:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 29 16:40:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released In-Reply-To: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20041229164030.GB6257@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 05:02:43AM +0100, Daniel Berger wrote: > MNI TNX TU Karel! Thank to the donors instead who make Ronja sustinability possible ;-) Cl< > > Now I don?t have to worry any more about disturbing the neighbours > with 660nm light and the house owner not allowing me to install the device. > > best regards, Daniel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 29 16:41:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 29 16:41:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja Inferno - nefunkcni odkaz In-Reply-To: <000701c4ed89$2f890d70$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <20041228171045.GD19823@beton.cybernet.src> <000701c4ed89$2f890d70$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20041229164117.GC6257@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 10:31:31AM +0100, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/dist.php Already fixed. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 29 16:43:28 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 29 16:43:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released In-Reply-To: <000901c4edb1$848f13a0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> <000901c4edb1$848f13a0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20041229164328.GD6257@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 03:20:16PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > Vypada to zajimave :) > Proc je optimalni RX s 130mm cockou a TX s 90mm? Nebyl by vetsi dosah s See http://ronja.twibright.com/msmt/gains.pdf Fig. 10 130mm transmitter has worse range than 90mm due to attenuation. If you have better quality 130mm lenses (clear, not blue) you can measure them using Benchpress and determine their range. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Wed Dec 29 16:45:37 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Wed Dec 29 16:46:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja Inferno - nefunkcni odkaz References: <20041228171045.GD19823@beton.cybernet.src><000701c4ed89$2f890d70$d203a8c0@diablo> <20041229164117.GC6257@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001901c4edc5$dd2842c0$d203a8c0@diablo> Ted jsem to zkusel: NA strance http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/spec.php je odkaz http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/dist.php a ten je nefunkcni...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ronja Inferno - nefunkcni odkaz > On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 10:31:31AM +0100, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/dist.php > > Already fixed. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Dec 29 16:56:57 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Dec 29 16:57:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] help with autonegotiation Message-ID: <200412291756.57930.ladmanj@volny.cz> Is there anybody who can help me with udestanding autonegotiation process? Maybe is IEEE 802.3 written in too difficult english for me, maybe i am an idiot. I need to know the absolutely minimal requirements. I allready know that my first speculation, that must be enough to transmit in correct timigs the 33 pulses, where odd bits are the data descripting the available modes, once and once, no sense for any answer from the link partner, was probably wrong. On oscilloscope i see, that i am transmitting what i want, but link is not detected. If anybody who allready uderstand this. Please write it to me in points and simple clauses. Or in czech, if possible, of course :-) Jakub Ladman From Korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Dec 29 17:06:19 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Dec 29 17:06:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> <000901c4edb1$848f13a0$02086b0a@atintel> <20041229164328.GD6257@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001d01c4edc8$b752de40$02086b0a@atintel> A to se u "normalni" Ronji neprojevuje? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released > On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 03:20:16PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >> Vypada to zajimave :) >> Proc je optimalni RX s 130mm cockou a TX s 90mm? Nebyl by vetsi dosah s > > See http://ronja.twibright.com/msmt/gains.pdf > Fig. 10 > > 130mm transmitter has worse range than 90mm due to attenuation. > If you have better quality 130mm lenses (clear, not blue) you can measure > them using Benchpress and determine their range. > > Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Dec 29 17:20:39 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Dec 29 17:21:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] help with autonegotiation In-Reply-To: <200412291756.57930.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200412291756.57930.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200412291820.40025.ladmanj@volny.cz> Sorry aside from the other mistakes, i interchanged the words even and odd. other On Wednesday 29 December 2004 17:56, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Is there anybody who can help me with udestanding autonegotiation process? > Maybe is IEEE 802.3 written in too difficult english for me, maybe i am an > idiot. > I need to know the absolutely minimal requirements. > I allready know that my first speculation, that must be enough to transmit > in correct timigs the 33 pulses, where odd bits are the data descripting > the available modes, once and once, no sense for any answer from the link > partner, was probably wrong. > On oscilloscope i see, that i am transmitting what i want, but link is not > detected. > > If anybody who allready uderstand this. > Please write it to me in points and simple clauses. > Or in czech, if possible, of course :-) > Jakub Ladman > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From archaopttrx at arcor.de Wed Dec 29 20:02:20 2004 From: archaopttrx at arcor.de (Daniel Berger) Date: Wed Dec 29 20:03:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released In-Reply-To: <20041229164030.GB6257@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> <20041229164030.GB6257@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41D30D4C.9000800@arcor.de> Karel Kulhavy schrieb: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 05:02:43AM +0100, Daniel Berger wrote: > >>MNI TNX TU Karel! > > > Thank to the donors instead who make Ronja sustinability possible ;-) > > Cl< > Yes, TNX to Santa too for all he donated ;-) best regards, Daniel From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 29 20:44:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 29 20:44:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released In-Reply-To: <001d01c4edc8$b752de40$02086b0a@atintel> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> <20041229164328.GD6257@beton.cybernet.src> <001d01c4edc8$b752de40$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20041229204446.GA30217@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 06:06:19PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > A to se u "normalni" Ronji neprojevuje? Ne. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 29 20:49:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 29 20:49:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja Inferno - nefunkcni odkaz In-Reply-To: <001901c4edc5$dd2842c0$d203a8c0@diablo> References: <20041229164117.GC6257@beton.cybernet.src> <001901c4edc5$dd2842c0$d203a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20041229204915.GB30217@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 05:45:37PM +0100, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Ted jsem to zkusel: > NA strance http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/spec.php > je odkaz > http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/dist.php > a ten je nefunkcni...... Thanks. It's correct now. I fixed the bug in different place... Cl< From Korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Dec 29 20:53:05 2004 From: Korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Dec 29 20:52:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de><20041229164328.GD6257@beton.cybernet.src><001d01c4edc8$b752de40$02086b0a@atintel> <20041229204446.GA30217@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000d01c4ede8$6671dbf0$02086b0a@atintel> Zajimavy :) Ma to nejake fyzikalni vysvetleni proc s infra ano a s viditelnym svetlem ne? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released > On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 06:06:19PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: >> A to se u "normalni" Ronji neprojevuje? > > Ne. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 29 21:07:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Dec 29 21:07:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released In-Reply-To: <000d01c4ede8$6671dbf0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20041229204446.GA30217@beton.cybernet.src> <000d01c4ede8$6671dbf0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20041229210740.GA30360@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 09:53:05PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > Zajimavy :) > Ma to nejake fyzikalni vysvetleni proc s infra ano a s viditelnym svetlem > ne? Because it has more absorption on infra than on visible light. Look into the measurements: http://ronja.twibright.com/msmt/gains.pdf Fig. 3,4,5 Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released > > > >On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 06:06:19PM +0100, Milan Korda wrote: > >>A to se u "normalni" Ronji neprojevuje? > > > >Ne. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Dec 30 09:01:45 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Thu Dec 30 09:02:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] I2C Interface References: <20041229120018.4997gmx1@mx056.gmx.net> Message-ID: <7325.1104397305@www28.gmx.net> Hi Clock ! I think you are right. But in all parallel ports i have seen till now, you can expect almost 5V at the outputs (when pulling not too much current. and if you use CMOS-ICs (e.g. 74HC) you need 2V for them to run reliable. Shouldnt this run reliable enough ?!? Sigi -- +++ Sparen Sie mit GMX DSL +++ http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl AKTION für Wechsler: DSL-Tarife ab 3,99 EUR/Monat + Startguthaben From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 30 10:28:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Dec 30 10:28:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <000601c4eb71$fdfd3c40$9664000a@maximumspeed> References: <000601c4eb71$fdfd3c40$9664000a@maximumspeed> Message-ID: <20041230102818.GA1217@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Dec 26, 2004 at 06:40:29PM +0100, Maximumspeed wrote: > Ahoj uz mam skoro hotovou 1 ronju ale mam problem s ohniskovou vzdalenosti, > kdyz zaostrim LED(nejaka supersvitiva cervena LED) pres lupu na stenu nebo na > vedlejsi barak dost se ty vzdalenostne lisi od asi 32 cm az po 40 cm, mam tam > HSDL4230 a SFH2030 jak to mas ty daleko od lup? mam 130 vienam. DIK MAX I added entry about measuring focal distance into the FAQ: http://ronja.twibright.com/faq.php Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Dec 30 22:59:39 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Dec 30 23:00:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cpld_twister autonegotiation In-Reply-To: <200412291756.57930.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200412291756.57930.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200412302359.39431.ladmanj@volny.cz> CZ: Autonegotiaton mi chodi, zatim tak, ze to trva dloho, az 10s nez sitovka zdetekuje linku, ale svym zpusobem je to uz uspech. Problem ted vidim v ne uplne korektnim buzeni TP kabelu. vypad? to, ze ne kazdy flp burst projde v poradku a musi prijit alespon tri v rade spravne aby byla linka detekovana. Zacinam hledat lepsi reseni. EN: I have partial succes with autonegotiation, link with correct parameters is always established, but it takes up to 10secs until it happens. It seems to be problem in non_really_correct driving of TP cable. There must be receptions of the exact same data in three flp bursts, to detect the line and because of small duty of flp pulses it fails on analog distortion. Jakub Ladman From fabyhenko at centrum.cz Fri Dec 31 08:10:58 2004 From: fabyhenko at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciBEdm/44Ws=?=) Date: Fri Dec 31 08:11:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cpld_twister autonegotiation In-Reply-To: <200412302359.39431.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200412291756.57930.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200412302359.39431.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: toto bude implementovano do xilinxoveho twistera? ROOTen On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:59:39 +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > CZ: Autonegotiaton mi chodi, zatim tak, ze to trva dloho, az 10s nez > sitovka > zdetekuje linku, ale svym zpusobem je to uz uspech. > Problem ted vidim v ne uplne korektnim buzeni TP kabelu. vypad? to, ze ne > kazdy flp burst projde v poradku a musi prijit alespon tri v rade > spravne aby > byla linka detekovana. > Zacinam hledat lepsi reseni. > > EN: I have partial succes with autonegotiation, link with correct > parameters > is always established, but it takes up to 10secs until it happens. > It seems to be problem in non_really_correct driving of TP cable. > There must be receptions of the exact same data in three flp bursts, to > detect > the line and because of small duty of flp pulses it fails on analog > distortion. > > Jakub Ladman > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz Fri Dec 31 19:32:29 2004 From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad) Date: Fri Dec 31 19:29:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Inferno - zamerovani, 130mm cocky Message-ID: <41D5A94D.8010009@tiscali.cz> Zdravim, chystame se ted s kamaradem postavit spoj s Ronjou Inferno na vzdalenost 1.2km. A neumim si predstavit, jak se to bude zamerovat. To je jedna vec. Druha vec se tyka toho, ze jsem nedavno nakoupil 16 130mm cocek a 90mm(na vysilac) nemuzu nikde sehnat. Jaky velky dopad na dosah by melo pouziti jen 130mm cocek na vysilac i prijmac? Diky. From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 31 19:49:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 31 19:49:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Inferno - zamerovani, 130mm cocky In-Reply-To: <41D5A94D.8010009@tiscali.cz> References: <41D5A94D.8010009@tiscali.cz> Message-ID: <20041231194927.GA18775@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 08:32:29PM +0100, Daniel Strnad wrote: > Zdravim, chystame se ted s kamaradem postavit spoj s Ronjou Inferno na > vzdalenost 1.2km. A neumim si predstavit, jak se to bude zamerovat. To I have added more description about the nightshot mode and camcorder here: http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/installing.php Camcorder is more sensitive than human eye. Human eye has quantum efficiency of 10%. (http://wfc3.gsfc.nasa.gov/MARCONI/basic.html) Camcorder has CCD which has about 75%. With the nightshot feature you can see better than by eye. Therefore it should be seen even better that visible beam by naked eye. Camcorder has also much larger input aperture than eye and has also a powerful zoom feature which works like binoculars for you. > je jedna vec. Druha vec se tyka toho, ze jsem nedavno nakoupil 16 130mm > cocek a 90mm(na vysilac) nemuzu nikde sehnat. Jaky velky dopad na dosah > by melo pouziti jen 130mm cocek na vysilac i prijmac? > Diky. Check here: http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php The launch intensity of 90mm and 130mm with HSDL4230 is the same. So it doesn't matter if you replace 90mm with 130mm. It will just be bigger and heavier. Cl< From jojo at matfyz.cz Fri Dec 31 20:23:29 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Fri Dec 31 20:24:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released In-Reply-To: <20041229161323.GA5605@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> <20041229161323.GA5605@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041231202329.GA13172@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > > RONJA Inferno is released: http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/ > > It is not yet complete. I have to fix couple of bugs and supply some > photographs. Would you advise Inferno or Tetrapolis? Should Inferno be better in fog than Tetrapolis? Is infrared LED for Nebulus easier to get/buy than F4000 LED for TX? -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From jojo at matfyz.cz Fri Dec 31 20:25:50 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Fri Dec 31 20:26:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Bug at inferno/augmented.php In-Reply-To: <20041229161323.GA5605@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> <20041229161323.GA5605@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041231202550.GB13172@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> At page http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/augmented.php the links to augmented lists does not work: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/inferno1.components http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/inferno1.components.cz etc... -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 31 20:51:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 31 20:51:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Bug at inferno/augmented.php In-Reply-To: <20041231202550.GB13172@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> <20041229161323.GA5605@beton.cybernet.src> <20041231202550.GB13172@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20041231205104.GA19622@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 09:25:50PM +0100, Marian Cerny wrote: > At page http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/augmented.php the links to > augmented lists does not work: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/inferno1.components > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/inferno1.components.cz > etc... Thanks, fixed. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 31 20:52:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 31 20:53:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released In-Reply-To: <20041231202329.GA13172@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> <20041229161323.GA5605@beton.cybernet.src> <20041231202329.GA13172@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20041231205254.GB19622@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 09:23:29PM +0100, Marian Cerny wrote: > > > RONJA Inferno is released: http://ronja.twibright.com/inferno/ > > > > It is not yet complete. I have to fix couple of bugs and supply some > > photographs. > > Would you advise Inferno or Tetrapolis? Probably Tetrapolis. > Should Inferno be better in fog than Tetrapolis? No. Only it has more divergence so it should behave better bad consoles, holders, or mountings. > Is infrared LED for Nebulus easier to get/buy than F4000 LED for TX? Definitely yes. Cl< From jojo at matfyz.cz Fri Dec 31 20:56:13 2004 From: jojo at matfyz.cz (Marian Cerny) Date: Fri Dec 31 20:56:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released In-Reply-To: <20041231205254.GB19622@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> <20041229161323.GA5605@beton.cybernet.src> <20041231202329.GA13172@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <20041231205254.GB19622@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20041231205613.GA15738@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > > Would you advise Inferno or Tetrapolis? > > Probably Tetrapolis. Heh, and why? -- Marian Cerny Jabber: jojo@njs.netlab.cz [ UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. ] From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 31 20:59:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Dec 31 20:59:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RONJA Inferno released In-Reply-To: <20041231205613.GA15738@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <41D22C63.1060707@arcor.de> <20041229161323.GA5605@beton.cybernet.src> <20041231202329.GA13172@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <20041231205254.GB19622@beton.cybernet.src> <20041231205613.GA15738@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20041231205927.GA19708@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 09:56:13PM +0100, Marian Cerny wrote: > > > Would you advise Inferno or Tetrapolis? > > > > Probably Tetrapolis. > > Heh, and why? It goes a bit longer (1.4km vs. 1.25km), is easier to aim, diagnose. It's eye safety is obvious. Cl<