From mixaj at mymail.cz Sun Aug 1 10:52:24 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sun Aug 1 10:53:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock References: <410925B6.70903@seznam.cz><20040729204444.GE1310@beton.cybernet.src><003801c47645$495fe9a0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040730182418.GC1162@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003101c477ad$4006ede0$fe29a8c0@diablo> To uz je pak frezovani, ne??? Soustruhem kvuli upnuti obrobku nemuzes opracovat celo obrobku..... Nejsem strojar, ale delal jsem kdysi brigadu na soustruhu a soustruzil jsem vnitrky trubek, tak vim, ze se tomu rikalo vykruzovani. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock > On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 04:55:41PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > Co znamena vykruzovany? Soustruzeny? > > > > > > > > > Soustruzeni - znamena obrobit obrobek po obvodu zvenci > > Vykruzovani - znamena obrobit obrobek po obvodu zevnitr > > A kdyz se to soustruzi na cele tak se tomu rika jak? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.827 (20040729) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun Aug 1 11:28:00 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun Aug 1 11:29:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock References: <410925B6.70903@seznam.cz><20040729204444.GE1310@beton.cybernet.src><003801c47645$495fe9a0$fe29a8c0@diablo><20040730182418.GC1162@beton.cybernet.src> <003101c477ad$4006ede0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <000b01c477b2$3828d2a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Co? Proc bys nemohl opracovat celo? Vsechno nen? potreba upnout z obou stran. Takov? tycky prumer 6 mm na yaginu se takto hezky daj? up?chnout (ci jak se tomu r?k?). Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslav Mixa" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock To uz je pak frezovani, ne??? Soustruhem kvuli upnuti obrobku nemuzes opracovat celo obrobku..... Nejsem strojar, ale delal jsem kdysi brigadu na soustruhu a soustruzil jsem vnitrky trubek, tak vim, ze se tomu rikalo vykruzovani. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock > On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 04:55:41PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > Co znamena vykruzovany? Soustruzeny? > > > > > > > > > Soustruzeni - znamena obrobit obrobek po obvodu zvenci > > Vykruzovani - znamena obrobit obrobek po obvodu zevnitr > > A kdyz se to soustruzi na cele tak se tomu rika jak? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.827 (20040729) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Sun Aug 1 11:33:56 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sun Aug 1 11:35:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock References: <410925B6.70903@seznam.cz><20040729204444.GE1310@beton.cybernet.src><003801c47645$495fe9a0$fe29a8c0@diablo><20040730182418.GC1162@beton.cybernet.src><003101c477ad$4006ede0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <000b01c477b2$3828d2a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <000501c477b3$0d188aa0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Ale muzes opracovat celo, ale ne cele..... A takove tycky na yagi, pokud se delaj na soustruhu, jakozto ze asi ne, by se osoustruzila jedna velka tyc, ktera by se potom narezala a konce zahodily. Radsi tuhle diskuzi nechame. Preci jen to neni k Ronje ;-) A bylo by lepsi, kdyby k tomu rekl zaverecne slovo clovek, ktery dela na soustruhu ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock > Co? Proc bys nemohl opracovat celo? > Vsechno nen? potreba upnout z obou stran. > Takov? tycky prumer 6 mm na yaginu se takto hezky daj? up?chnout (ci jak se > tomu r?k?). > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jaroslav Mixa" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock > > > To uz je pak frezovani, ne??? > Soustruhem kvuli upnuti obrobku nemuzes opracovat celo obrobku..... > Nejsem strojar, ale delal jsem kdysi brigadu na soustruhu a soustruzil jsem > vnitrky trubek, tak vim, ze se tomu rikalo vykruzovani. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock > > > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 04:55:41PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > Co znamena vykruzovany? Soustruzeny? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soustruzeni - znamena obrobit obrobek po obvodu zvenci > > > Vykruzovani - znamena obrobit obrobek po obvodu zevnitr > > > > A kdyz se to soustruzi na cele tak se tomu rika jak? > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.827 (20040729) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.828 (20040730) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From arni at undernet.lv Sun Aug 1 15:49:13 2004 From: arni at undernet.lv (Arnold Mingin) Date: Sun Aug 1 15:51:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX problem, PCB In-Reply-To: <41090B49.7060606@med.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <000001c477d6$b6847fe0$45b1fea9@arnihome> Hello, I've posted the PCB layouts at http://hyperion.undernet.lv/fso/. I achieved 1.10m without optics with OP905, it was error free maximum. A bit farther -- didn't work at all. Arni. > -----Original Message----- > From: ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net] > On Behalf Of Dimitris Kounalakis > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 17:36 > To: ronja@lists.pointless.net > Subject: RE: [Ronja] RX problem > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 02:18:53PM +0300, Arnold Mingin wrote: > > >>> <> > >>> Link is installed in Riga, Latvia. And I'll make some photos > >>> today/tomorrow. > >> > >>> <>And if anyone is interested in new interesting problems > ;-) I can > >>> post PCB > >> > >>>layout I used (mostly SMD) for RX and TX. > >>> > >>> > Hi, > Can you post the PCB rx & tx that you used? And please, can you tell > what is the error free range in meters without optics that > you achieved > with HPWT-BD00, OP905? > Dimitris > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Aug 1 16:33:47 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sun Aug 1 16:35:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock References: <410925B6.70903@seznam.cz><20040729204444.GE1310@beton.cybernet.src><003801c47645$495fe9a0$fe29a8c0@diablo><20040730182418.GC1162@beton.cybernet.src><003101c477ad$4006ede0$fe29a8c0@diablo><000b01c477b2$3828d2a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <000501c477b3$0d188aa0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <002401c477dc$f0d07400$0103450a@thechosen> to by si prave narezal rovnou na soustruhu upichovacim nozem :) uzkej nuz co tu tycku "presoustruzi". ma to vyhodu ze to je uz zacistene a presne. a opravdu nevidim problem opracovat cele celo pokud ti to posuvnik co drzi nuz dovoli. jako ze dovoli. Glo ---- Ale muzes opracovat celo, ale ne cele..... A takove tycky na yagi, pokud se delaj na soustruhu, jakozto ze asi ne, by se osoustruzila jedna velka tyc, ktera by se potom narezala a konce zahodily. Radsi tuhle diskuzi nechame. Preci jen to neni k Ronje ;-) A bylo by lepsi, kdyby k tomu rekl zaverecne slovo clovek, ktery dela na soustruhu ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock > Co? Proc bys nemohl opracovat celo? > Vsechno nen? potreba upnout z obou stran. > Takov? tycky prumer 6 mm na yaginu se takto hezky daj? up?chnout (ci jak se > tomu r?k?). > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jaroslav Mixa" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock > > > To uz je pak frezovani, ne??? > Soustruhem kvuli upnuti obrobku nemuzes opracovat celo obrobku..... > Nejsem strojar, ale delal jsem kdysi brigadu na soustruhu a soustruzil jsem > vnitrky trubek, tak vim, ze se tomu rikalo vykruzovani. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Dalsi fungujici instalace (pres sklo) -> 4Clock > > > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 04:55:41PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > Co znamena vykruzovany? Soustruzeny? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soustruzeni - znamena obrobit obrobek po obvodu zvenci > > > Vykruzovani - znamena obrobit obrobek po obvodu zevnitr > > > > A kdyz se to soustruzi na cele tak se tomu rika jak? > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.827 (20040729) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.828 (20040730) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From remet at remet.cz Mon Aug 2 14:28:06 2004 From: remet at remet.cz (REMET) Date: Mon Aug 2 14:22:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] chyba v PCB Twisteru Message-ID: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> Ahoj, objevil jsem malou chybu v PCB Twisteru, ktera sice nema valny vliv na funkcnost, ale.... - konendator C99 neni nikam zapojen - jedna noha je na zem, druha noha neni zapojena nikam (mela by byt na +5V) REMET From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Mon Aug 2 16:55:21 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Mon Aug 2 16:56:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] T74LS32B1 Message-ID: <20040802155453.M93508@kihu.info> Dobry den. Je mozne v Twisterovi (U54) pouzit 74LS32 misto 74HC32? Diky ROOTen From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Aug 2 17:00:46 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Aug 2 17:01:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <200408021800.46347.ladmanj@volny.cz> $subj rssi=[120,170] Fotky zatim nejsou,nemame fotak. Akorat jsem pri zamerovani do svitani nastyd, tak je to pekne nahovno. Jakub From kubajz at kbx.cz Mon Aug 2 17:39:51 2004 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?B?S3ViYSBT/WtvcmE=?=) Date: Mon Aug 2 17:40:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <200408021800.46347.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408021800.46347.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <14029551012.20040802183951@kbx.cz> Musim uznat, ze jste borci. My jsme meli v planu zamerovat na 1300 metru, ale nechtelo se nam do toho. Pouzili jste standardni drzak, nebo jste pouzili nejakej upravenej? Kuba S?kora - kubajz@kbx.cz Ftip: Type: cat vmlinuz > /dev/audio to hear the Voice of God :)) ------------------------------------ JL> $subj JL> rssi=[120,170] JL> Fotky zatim nejsou,nemame fotak. JL> Akorat jsem pri zamerovani do svitani nastyd, tak je to pekne nahovno. JL> Jakub JL> _______________________________________________ JL> Ronja mailing list JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Aug 2 21:34:39 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:36:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] chyba v PCB Twisteru References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <001001c478d0$229fdf90$0103450a@thechosen> tak sem na to kouknul a fakt :) no teda :) jak sis toho vubec vsiml? Glo > Ahoj, > objevil jsem malou chybu v PCB Twisteru, ktera sice nema valny vliv na > funkcnost, ale.... > - konendator C99 neni nikam zapojen - jedna noha je na zem, druha noha neni > zapojena nikam (mela by byt na +5V) > > REMET > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Aug 2 21:34:39 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:37:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] chyba v PCB Twisteru References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <001001c478d0$229fdf90$0103450a@thechosen> tak sem na to kouknul a fakt :) no teda :) jak sis toho vubec vsiml? Glo > Ahoj, > objevil jsem malou chybu v PCB Twisteru, ktera sice nema valny vliv na > funkcnost, ale.... > - konendator C99 neni nikam zapojen - jedna noha je na zem, druha noha neni > zapojena nikam (mela by byt na +5V) > > REMET > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From remet at remet.cz Mon Aug 2 22:09:31 2004 From: remet at remet.cz (REMET) Date: Mon Aug 2 22:04:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] chyba v PCB Twisteru References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <001001c478d0$229fdf90$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <00a701c478d5$014a7300$01fda8c0@anezka> Kdyz to pajis poprve, tak koukas, kde ten C99 na tom plosnaku je :-) tak vidim blokuje U62, tak bude nekde pobliz... a on neni a jejda, ani dratek k nemu neni. REMET > tak sem na to kouknul a fakt :) no teda :) jak sis toho vubec vsiml? > > - konendator C99 neni nikam zapojen - jedna noha je na zem, druha noha > neni > > zapojena nikam (mela by byt na +5V) From schum at seznam.cz Tue Aug 3 07:37:32 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Tue Aug 3 07:37:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] PCBs Message-ID: <247715.783697-27821-241551673-1091515052@email.seznam.cz> Ahoj lidi nemel by nekdo navic 2 tistaky na twistra??? Mirek ____________________________________________________________ Letn? akce na televizory Panasonic! 150.000 prvni tyden www.VIDEOEXPERT.cz Vychutnejte si Olympi?du ve velk?m stylu! http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76186 From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Aug 3 08:59:50 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Aug 3 09:00:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] chyba v PCB Twisteru In-Reply-To: <00a701c478d5$014a7300$01fda8c0@anezka> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <001001c478d0$229fdf90$0103450a@thechosen> <00a701c478d5$014a7300$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <200408030959.51474.ladmanj@volny.cz> Jak se to muze stat? Neznam PCB, ale eagle mi neda pokoj, pokud celej netlist neuspokojim. Pokud PCB neni se schematem provazano, pak to ani nebudu zkouset a zustanu u closed source. Jakub On Monday 02 August 2004 23:09, REMET wrote: > Kdyz to pajis poprve, tak koukas, kde ten C99 na tom plosnaku je :-) tak > vidim blokuje U62, tak bude nekde pobliz... a on neni a jejda, ani dratek k > nemu neni. > > REMET > > > tak sem na to kouknul a fakt :) no teda :) jak sis toho vubec vsiml? > > > > > - konendator C99 neni nikam zapojen - jedna noha je na zem, druha noha > > > > neni > > > > > zapojena nikam (mela by byt na +5V) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From remet at remet.cz Tue Aug 3 10:32:41 2004 From: remet at remet.cz (REMET) Date: Tue Aug 3 10:27:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] chyba v PCB Twisteru References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka><001001c478d0$229fdf90$0103450a@thechosen><00a701c478d5$014a7300$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408030959.51474.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <00cf01c4793c$d2e2e3e0$01fda8c0@anezka> Jooo, to nerikej me, ten PCB navrhoval Clock (teda aspon predpokladam ze on), jelikoz je to oficialni PCB Twistera. Ale zas to neni nic co by nevyresila sikovna ceska rucicka. REMET > Jak se to muze stat? > Neznam PCB, ale eagle mi neda pokoj, pokud celej netlist neuspokojim. > Pokud PCB neni se schematem provazano, pak to ani nebudu zkouset a zustanu u > closed source. > > > > - konendator C99 neni nikam zapojen - jedna noha je na zem, druha noha neni > > > > zapojena nikam (mela by byt na +5V) From santiago at mail.cz Tue Aug 3 13:38:49 2004 From: santiago at mail.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Aug 3 13:40:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyby v navodu Message-ID: <20040803123849.GA30215@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Nejspise chyba v navodu na Rx: Popisky u: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/receiver_placement.png nejsou konsistentni s http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png napr L104 misto L101, C123 jsem ve schematu taky nikde nenasel (ma byt C173 ?). -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From frogale at atlas.cz Tue Aug 3 14:33:12 2004 From: frogale at atlas.cz (=?Windows-1250?B?QWxlmiBQ+O1ob2Rh?=) Date: Tue Aug 3 14:35:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyby v navodu In-Reply-To: <20040803123849.GA30215@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040803123849.GA30215@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <128678906.20040803153312@atlas.cz> Btw ten list soucastek je taky dost mimo ;) Nakoupil jsem to vsechno a ted mi tady zbylo cca 30 odporu a par kondiku. Mozna by to chtelo nejaky upgrade? Alex -------------------------- Re: Nejspise chyba v navodu na Rx: Popisky u: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/receiver_placement.png nejsou konsistentni s http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png napr L104 misto L101, C123 jsem ve schematu taky nikde nenasel (ma byt C173 ?). -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From frogale at atlas.cz Tue Aug 3 14:34:37 2004 From: frogale at atlas.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?B?QWxluSBQ+O1ob2Rh?=) Date: Tue Aug 3 14:37:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] PCBs In-Reply-To: <247715.783697-27821-241551673-1091515052@email.seznam.cz> References: <247715.783697-27821-241551673-1091515052@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <91764296.20040803153437@atlas.cz> Objednej si na http://twister.horky.net/info.php posli penize a osobne si zajed.. Do 3 dnu to musis mit doma ;) Ty tistaky uz jsou a je jich vic nez zajemcu.. Alex -------------------------- Re: Ahoj lidi nemel by nekdo navic 2 tistaky na twistra??? Mirek ____________________________________________________________ Letn? akce na televizory Panasonic! 150.000 prvni tyden www.VIDEOEXPERT.cz Vychutnejte si Olympi?du ve velk?m stylu! http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76186 _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Aug 3 14:50:34 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=9Aek?=) Date: Tue Aug 3 14:52:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyby v navodu References: <20040803123849.GA30215@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <128678906.20040803153312@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <001301c47960$d9c34190$0103450a@thechosen> odpory ti zbudou, protoze je v part listu pocitano i s tuning odporama ktere bud pouzijes nebo ne. a kdyuz jo tak stejne prohodis. kondenzator mi nikdy nezbyl. Glo > Btw ten list soucastek je taky dost mimo ;) Nakoupil jsem to vsechno a > ted mi tady zbylo cca 30 odporu a par kondiku. Mozna by to chtelo > nejaky upgrade? > > Alex > > > -------------------------- > Re: > Nejspise chyba v navodu na Rx: > > Popisky u: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/receiver_placement.png > > nejsou konsistentni s > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > > napr L104 misto L101, C123 jsem ve schematu taky nikde nenasel (ma byt C173 ?). > > -- > Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > > Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) > OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) > "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Aug 3 17:34:32 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Aug 3 17:35:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] chyba v PCB Twisteru In-Reply-To: <00cf01c4793c$d2e2e3e0$01fda8c0@anezka> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408030959.51474.ladmanj@volny.cz> <00cf01c4793c$d2e2e3e0$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <200408031834.33490.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Tuesday 03 August 2004 11:32, REMET wrote: > Jooo, to nerikej me, ten PCB navrhoval Clock (teda aspon predpokladam ze > on), jelikoz je to oficialni PCB Twistera. Ale zas to neni nic co by > nevyresila sikovna ceska rucicka. Myslel jsem program PCB > > REMET > > > Jak se to muze stat? > > Neznam PCB, ale eagle mi neda pokoj, pokud celej netlist neuspokojim. > > Pokud PCB neni se schematem provazano, pak to ani nebudu zkouset a > > zustanu > > u > > > closed source. > > > > > > > - konendator C99 neni nikam zapojen - jedna noha je na zem, druha > > noha neni > > > > > > zapojena nikam (mela by byt na +5V) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Aug 3 19:05:48 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Aug 3 19:06:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] chyba v PCB Twisteru In-Reply-To: <200408031834.33490.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408030959.51474.ladmanj@volny.cz> <00cf01c4793c$d2e2e3e0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408031834.33490.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <1091556348.410fd3fc493a2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Ten C99 je tam stejne duplicitni a zbytecny. Stejny 100n blokovaci kondik ma U62 nakreslen ve schematu hned vedle sebe. Ten 100n kondiku by konec koncu stacila polovina. Quoting Jakub Ladman : > On Tuesday 03 August 2004 11:32, REMET wrote: > > Jooo, to nerikej me, ten PCB navrhoval Clock (teda aspon predpokladam ze > > on), jelikoz je to oficialni PCB Twistera. Ale zas to neni nic co by > > nevyresila sikovna ceska rucicka. > Myslel jsem program PCB > > > > > REMET > > > > > Jak se to muze stat? > > > Neznam PCB, ale eagle mi neda pokoj, pokud celej netlist neuspokojim. > > > Pokud PCB neni se schematem provazano, pak to ani nebudu zkouset a > > > zustanu > > > > u > > > > > closed source. > > > > > > > > > - konendator C99 neni nikam zapojen - jedna noha je na zem, druha > > > > noha neni > > > > > > > > zapojena nikam (mela by byt na +5V) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From bendis at pilsfree.net Wed Aug 4 17:36:25 2004 From: bendis at pilsfree.net (Martin Benda) Date: Wed Aug 4 17:37:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole Message-ID: Zdravim, nedavno jsem dokoncil stavbu dvou Rx, Tx a Twister modulu a ted jsem se pustil do testovani. Vse na prvni pohled fungovalo tak, jak ma, ale pri mereni vzdalenosti, co to jeste zvladne, to uz tak krasne nebylo. Jeden par zvlada cca 140cm, druhy 160cm - to je vzdalenost, na kterou neni prakticky zadny packetloss, pokud se vzdalenost zvysi tak o 10cm, tak uz neprojde ani jeden paket (RSSI ukazuje na te hranici priblizne 30mV). Testovani probiha na koberci pod stolem a vzdy jen v zapojeni loopback - jenom se divam, jestli se pakety objevuji dvakrat. Rx a Tx moduly jsou postaveny podle navodu v airwire, twister je na objednanem PCB a neni zatim v zadne krabicce (tzn. plosnak lezici na koberci). Obe krabicky jsou pro testovani zavrene (krabicky jsou AH-107). Vysila HPWT-BD00-F4000, prijima BPW43. Prvni podezreni padlo na zniceny MOSFET BF988 (s pajkou nemam az zas takove zkusenosti), ale v obou modulech jsem ho velmi peclive vymenil (oboje ruce i hrot trafopajky uzemeny). Hodnoty na mericich bodech jsou nasledujici (pouze jeden par, druhy je temer stejny): RX P101 11.19V P102 3.46V P103 0.1mV P104 6.83V P105 5.49V P106 5.34V P107 0..4V P108 10.61V P109 4.59V P110 11.79V TX P1 0V P2 4.95V P3 4.41V P4 4.96V P5 9.52V P6 2.87V P7 67mA P8 4.97V P9 11.79V Vse odpovida tabulce, jedine, co nesedi, je P6 v Rx (mel by byt 2.4V - 2.6V). Obvody jsem promeroval a kontroloval snad desetkrat a uz fakt nevim, co s tim je. Napada me: 1. zniceny BF988 (ale pak uz vazne nevim, jak ho tam bezpecne pridelat :-)) 2. nestineny twister (?) 3. dal uz me nic nenapada... Predem moc dekuji za jakoukoliv odpoved/pomoc. Bendis -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Aug 4 22:55:21 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Aug 4 22:55:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole References: Message-ID: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> mas tam bf 988 jo? muzes pls neco zkusit? vyndej kondenzator v RX C153, je to 100n u delice u toho fetu. treba ho odpajej ze strany co jde na zem. me tam zlobil a dal jsem i jednu krabicku clockovi at to prozkouma. pokud se ti po odebrani zvedne dosah ses na tom jak ja a aspon bude o to vetsi potreba to odladit. mozna to dela jen tenhle tranzistor. Glo > Zdravim, > > nedavno jsem dokoncil stavbu dvou Rx, Tx a Twister modulu a ted jsem se > pustil do testovani. Vse na prvni pohled fungovalo tak, jak ma, ale pri > mereni vzdalenosti, co to jeste zvladne, to uz tak krasne nebylo. Jeden > par zvlada cca 140cm, druhy 160cm - to je vzdalenost, na kterou neni > prakticky zadny packetloss, pokud se vzdalenost zvysi tak o 10cm, tak uz > neprojde ani jeden paket (RSSI ukazuje na te hranici priblizne 30mV). > > Testovani probiha na koberci pod stolem a vzdy jen v zapojeni loopback - > jenom se divam, jestli se pakety objevuji dvakrat. Rx a Tx moduly jsou > postaveny podle navodu v airwire, twister je na objednanem PCB a neni > zatim v zadne krabicce (tzn. plosnak lezici na koberci). Obe krabicky jsou > pro testovani zavrene (krabicky jsou AH-107). Vysila HPWT-BD00-F4000, > prijima BPW43. > > Prvni podezreni padlo na zniceny MOSFET BF988 (s pajkou nemam az zas > takove zkusenosti), ale v obou modulech jsem ho velmi peclive vymenil > (oboje ruce i hrot trafopajky uzemeny). Hodnoty na mericich bodech jsou > nasledujici (pouze jeden par, druhy je temer stejny): > > RX > > P101 11.19V > P102 3.46V > P103 0.1mV > P104 6.83V > P105 5.49V > P106 5.34V > P107 0..4V > P108 10.61V > P109 4.59V > P110 11.79V > > TX > > P1 0V > P2 4.95V > P3 4.41V > P4 4.96V > P5 9.52V > P6 2.87V > P7 67mA > P8 4.97V > P9 11.79V > > Vse odpovida tabulce, jedine, co nesedi, je P6 v Rx (mel by byt 2.4V - > 2.6V). > > Obvody jsem promeroval a kontroloval snad desetkrat a uz fakt nevim, co s > tim je. Napada me: > 1. zniceny BF988 (ale pak uz vazne nevim, jak ho tam bezpecne pridelat :-)) > 2. nestineny twister (?) > 3. dal uz me nic nenapada... > > Predem moc dekuji za jakoukoliv odpoved/pomoc. > > Bendis > > -- > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From bendis at pilsfree.net Thu Aug 5 13:45:18 2004 From: bendis at pilsfree.net (Martin Benda) Date: Thu Aug 5 13:45:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: Diky za radu, ale odstraneni C153 prakticky nic nezmenilo, tak jsem to vratil... Jinak par dalsich postrehu: - Vsiml jsem si, ze prijimaci ledka na twisteru (zelena) blika, i kdyz neni pred rx a tx nic, co by odrazelo svetlo - to blikani zmizelo, kdyz jsem oddalil krabicky od sebe (rx lezelo primo na tx) - neni to zvlastni? - Pokud jsem tedy papirem podlozil rx, toto blikani se neobjevovalo, ale vzdalenost, na kterou se prenasely pakety klesla u obou dvojic priblizne na 90cm - pri zvyseni o cca 10cm se uz nepreneslo nic a zelena ledka prestala blikat. - Spletl jsem se pri vypisu hodnot v minulem prispevku - RSSI (P107) neni pri ztrate signalu 30mV, ale 300mV. V GM mi BF988 dali v obyc igelitovym pytliku - je sance, ze jim to muze uskodit? Diky za kazdou dalsi odpoved! Bendis On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:55:21 +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > mas tam bf 988 jo? muzes pls neco zkusit? vyndej kondenzator v RX C153, > je > to 100n u delice u toho fetu. treba ho odpajej ze strany co jde na zem. > me > tam zlobil a dal jsem i jednu krabicku clockovi at to prozkouma. pokud > se ti > po odebrani zvedne dosah ses na tom jak ja a aspon bude o to vetsi > potreba > to odladit. mozna to dela jen tenhle tranzistor. > > Glo > > >> Zdravim, >> >> nedavno jsem dokoncil stavbu dvou Rx, Tx a Twister modulu a ted jsem se >> pustil do testovani. Vse na prvni pohled fungovalo tak, jak ma, ale pri >> mereni vzdalenosti, co to jeste zvladne, to uz tak krasne nebylo. Jeden >> par zvlada cca 140cm, druhy 160cm - to je vzdalenost, na kterou neni >> prakticky zadny packetloss, pokud se vzdalenost zvysi tak o 10cm, tak uz >> neprojde ani jeden paket (RSSI ukazuje na te hranici priblizne 30mV). >> >> Testovani probiha na koberci pod stolem a vzdy jen v zapojeni loopback - >> jenom se divam, jestli se pakety objevuji dvakrat. Rx a Tx moduly jsou >> postaveny podle navodu v airwire, twister je na objednanem PCB a neni >> zatim v zadne krabicce (tzn. plosnak lezici na koberci). Obe krabicky >> jsou >> pro testovani zavrene (krabicky jsou AH-107). Vysila HPWT-BD00-F4000, >> prijima BPW43. >> >> Prvni podezreni padlo na zniceny MOSFET BF988 (s pajkou nemam az zas >> takove zkusenosti), ale v obou modulech jsem ho velmi peclive vymenil >> (oboje ruce i hrot trafopajky uzemeny). Hodnoty na mericich bodech jsou >> nasledujici (pouze jeden par, druhy je temer stejny): >> >> RX >> >> P101 11.19V >> P102 3.46V >> P103 0.1mV >> P104 6.83V >> P105 5.49V >> P106 5.34V >> P107 0..4V >> P108 10.61V >> P109 4.59V >> P110 11.79V >> >> TX >> >> P1 0V >> P2 4.95V >> P3 4.41V >> P4 4.96V >> P5 9.52V >> P6 2.87V >> P7 67mA >> P8 4.97V >> P9 11.79V >> >> Vse odpovida tabulce, jedine, co nesedi, je P6 v Rx (mel by byt 2.4V - >> 2.6V). >> >> Obvody jsem promeroval a kontroloval snad desetkrat a uz fakt nevim, co >> s >> tim je. Napada me: >> 1. zniceny BF988 (ale pak uz vazne nevim, jak ho tam bezpecne pridelat > :-)) >> 2. nestineny twister (?) >> 3. dal uz me nic nenapada... >> >> Predem moc dekuji za jakoukoliv odpoved/pomoc. >> >> Bendis >> >> -- >> Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Thu Aug 5 13:49:26 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Thu Aug 5 13:50:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <41122CD6.60102@sattnet.cz> Martin Benda napsal(a): > Diky za radu, ale odstraneni C153 prakticky nic nezmenilo, tak jsem > to vratil... Jinak par dalsich postrehu: > > - Vsiml jsem si, ze prijimaci ledka na twisteru (zelena) blika, i > kdyz neni pred rx a tx nic, co by odrazelo svetlo - to blikani > zmizelo, kdyz jsem oddalil krabicky od sebe (rx lezelo primo na tx) - > neni to zvlastni? > Asi to s tim nesouvisi, ale me stacilo k Twisterovi pripojit (na rx,tx) dvojlinku, 30cm a zacaly se prenaset data. :-) Samozrejme byly draty nespojene. > - Pokud jsem tedy papirem podlozil rx, toto blikani se neobjevovalo, > ale vzdalenost, na kterou se prenasely pakety klesla u obou dvojic > priblizne na 90cm - pri zvyseni o cca 10cm se uz nepreneslo nic a > zelena ledka prestala blikat. > > - Spletl jsem se pri vypisu hodnot v minulem prispevku - RSSI (P107) > neni pri ztrate signalu 30mV, ale 300mV. > > V GM mi BF988 dali v obyc igelitovym pytliku - je sance, ze jim to > muze uskodit? > > Diky za kazdou dalsi odpoved! > > Bendis > -- David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Aug 5 14:01:10 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Aug 5 13:58:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 5. srpna 2004 14:45 Martin Benda napsal(a): > Diky za radu, ale odstraneni C153 prakticky nic nezmenilo, tak jsem to > vratil... Jinak par dalsich postrehu: > > - Vsiml jsem si, ze prijimaci ledka na twisteru (zelena) blika, i kdyz > neni pred rx a tx nic, co by odrazelo svetlo - to blikani zmizelo, kdyz > jsem oddalil krabicky od sebe (rx lezelo primo na tx) - neni to zvlastni? > > - Pokud jsem tedy papirem podlozil rx, toto blikani se neobjevovalo, ale > vzdalenost, na kterou se prenasely pakety klesla u obou dvojic priblizne > na 90cm - pri zvyseni o cca 10cm se uz nepreneslo nic a zelena ledka > prestala blikat. > > - Spletl jsem se pri vypisu hodnot v minulem prispevku - RSSI (P107) neni > pri ztrate signalu 30mV, ale 300mV. Zkusil bych se zamerit na tuhle hodnotu. Moje RX ztraci pakety pri RSSI 30 a 50mV pri vzdalenosti 2.5m Na delku 1.6m RSSI ukazuje prave neco kolem tech 300mV. Tazke z toho mi vyplyva: Zisk jednotlivych stupnu je dobry, ale nekde se prci casovani (hrany signalu), tj preslechy, (za) kmitani, nejsou poparovane tranzistory v jednotlivych omezovacich. Nemate treba jak uz tady bylo zmineno prilis vystrcenou SFH203 z krabicky? S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From kuna at alphanet.sk Thu Aug 5 14:01:55 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Thu Aug 5 14:01:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pomoc Message-ID: <002601c35b59$243b7840$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> namiesto BF 988 som pouzil BF 966s kondenzator v RX module C 105 ktory ide pred odpor R 106 na napajanie fetu som vyhodil. Tranzistory 2N3904 mali by byt parovane v TX aj v RX . Blokovaci kondenzator C122 ktory ide na bazu 2N 3904 som zmenil zo 100n na 10n a ku kondenzatoru C126 10n som pridal este 22On kondenzator. V TX namiesto C7 a C 5 Ktore idu na bazu 2N3904 som dal kondenzator 10n delicka na napajanie 74HC04 to je R8,R9 som dal zhodne 47k odpory. Vsetky upravy sa tykaju schem, ktore vysli pre plosne spoje , ale ja som ich pouzil ako vrabcie hniezdo do pocinovanej krabicky.December 10 2003 Clok ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040805/b29f9d75/attachment.htm From bendis at pilsfree.net Thu Aug 5 14:36:02 2004 From: bendis at pilsfree.net (Martin Benda) Date: Thu Aug 5 14:36:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:01:10 +0200, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Nemate treba jak uz tady bylo zmineno prilis vystrcenou SFH203 z > krabicky? Tak jsem BPW43 trochu zastrcil - ted kouka ven tak cca 2/5. Jeden par zvladne 180cm, druhy necelych 150cm. > Zkusil bych se zamerit na tuhle hodnotu. > > Moje RX ztraci pakety pri RSSI 30 a 50mV pri vzdalenosti 2.5m > > > Na delku 1.6m RSSI ukazuje prave neco kolem tech 300mV. Zajimave je, ze RSSI ukazuje kolem 0.3V az 0.4V, i kdyz neprichazi signal zadny - vysilaci LED je uplne zakryta. Z tranzistoru jsem pary vybiral tak, ze zesilujici faktor byl vzdy u obou stejny. > Tazke z toho mi vyplyva: > > Zisk jednotlivych stupnu je dobry, ale nekde se prci casovani (hrany > signalu), > tj preslechy, (za) kmitani, nejsou poparovane tranzistory v jednotlivych > omezovacich. Nestineny twister nevadi? From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Aug 5 14:48:33 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Aug 5 14:46:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 5. srpna 2004 15:36 Martin Benda napsal(a): > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:01:10 +0200, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > Nemate treba jak uz tady bylo zmineno prilis vystrcenou SFH203 z > > krabicky? > > Tak jsem BPW43 trochu zastrcil - ted kouka ven tak cca 2/5. Jeden par > zvladne 180cm, druhy necelych 150cm. > > > Zkusil bych se zamerit na tuhle hodnotu. > > > > Moje RX ztraci pakety pri RSSI 30 a 50mV pri vzdalenosti 2.5m > > > > > > Na delku 1.6m RSSI ukazuje prave neco kolem tech 300mV. > > Zajimave je, ze RSSI ukazuje kolem 0.3V az 0.4V, i kdyz neprichazi signal Neco nekde kmita, nebo bere bordel z eteru. Mate Rx a Tx krabicky kompletne uzavrene? RSSI by totiz melo konvergovat k nule. U me ukazuje cca 2mV a uz to neni uplne dobre. (budu muset zastrcit diody, couha mi cca 1/2 ven) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From bendis at pilsfree.net Thu Aug 5 15:22:36 2004 From: bendis at pilsfree.net (Martin Benda) Date: Thu Aug 5 15:23:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:48:33 +0200, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Neco nekde kmita, nebo bere bordel z eteru. Mate Rx a Tx krabicky > kompletne > uzavrene? > > RSSI by totiz melo konvergovat k nule. U me ukazuje cca 2mV a uz to neni > uplne > dobre. (budu muset zastrcit diody, couha mi cca 1/2 ven) > > > S pozdravem Hmm, krabicky Rx a Tx maji pripajene dno, viko je na nich jenom nacvakle, akorat ten twister je holy pcb lezici na koberci asi 30cm od Rx a Tx. Kmitani pujde odhalit asi jenom na osciloskopu, ne? PS: nekde asi bude opravdu pruser, protoze krabicky tu mam ted pod stolem zapojeny a RSSI lita kolem 0.5-1V pritom se do Rx zadnej signal z Tx neodrazi (Tx sviti uplne nekam jinam). Neni tu tedy tma, ale celkem sero. Staci abych prst priblizil k prijimaci ledce tak na 1cm a zelena twister led se cela rozsviti. From bendis at pilsfree.net Thu Aug 5 15:56:33 2004 From: bendis at pilsfree.net (Martin Benda) Date: Thu Aug 5 15:57:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: Jeste jedna poznamka - NE592 mam v DIL8, nekde jsem tu zahledl, ze s tim mozna byly problemy, ale dle meho presvedceni je jedno, jestli DIL8 nebo DIL14... On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:22:36 +0200, Martin Benda wrote: > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:48:33 +0200, Petr Zapadlo > wrote: > >> Neco nekde kmita, nebo bere bordel z eteru. Mate Rx a Tx krabicky >> kompletne >> uzavrene? >> >> RSSI by totiz melo konvergovat k nule. U me ukazuje cca 2mV a uz to >> neni uplne >> dobre. (budu muset zastrcit diody, couha mi cca 1/2 ven) >> >> >> S pozdravem > > Hmm, krabicky Rx a Tx maji pripajene dno, viko je na nich jenom > nacvakle, akorat ten twister je holy pcb lezici na koberci asi 30cm od > Rx a Tx. > > Kmitani pujde odhalit asi jenom na osciloskopu, ne? > > PS: nekde asi bude opravdu pruser, protoze krabicky tu mam ted pod > stolem zapojeny a RSSI lita kolem 0.5-1V pritom se do Rx zadnej signal z > Tx neodrazi (Tx sviti uplne nekam jinam). Neni tu tedy tma, ale celkem > sero. Staci abych prst priblizil k prijimaci ledce tak na 1cm a zelena > twister led se cela rozsviti. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From bendis at pilsfree.net Thu Aug 5 17:16:39 2004 From: bendis at pilsfree.net (Martin Benda) Date: Thu Aug 5 17:17:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: Omlouvam se za mystifikaci, ale jsem elektro-lama a prave jsem zjistil, ze neni dobry merit tak, ze rukama pridrzuju hroty meraku k vyvedenemu kabelu RSSI..... Takze RSSI se mi chova zrejme korektne - kdyz je zrcatku asi 5cm od modulu, je RSSI 4V. Postupne se vzdalenosti klesa az na 10mV, kdyz to zrcatko dam uplne pryc. Ve vzdalenosti 2.5m je 35mV. Presne do teto vzdalenosti jeste blika prijimaci ledka na twisteru na posilane pakety. Problem je, ze pakety se prestanou vracet nekde v 1.8m, kdy je RSSI cca 100mV, zelena led na twisteru sice blika i dal, ale ifconfig ukazuje vzrustajici "errors" nebo vubec nic... Pingam paketama standardni velikosti. From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Fri Aug 6 08:12:58 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Fri Aug 6 08:13:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Short working distance on table Message-ID: Hi all! >From my experience: if you have short working distance, and if you are absolutely sure that the BF 988 or equivalent are OK you should check two things more: 1. shielding 2. grounding People often assembles all parts as drawn in schematic and say Yes, I did everything like in RONJA building guide, but forgets the shielding which is important more than they think... So, when placing components into tin box, connect gnd pins of every IC to the tin box, do not connect all gnd pins together with wires! Tin box is large common ground plane, so use it. Second, make a good shielding around whole photodiode (except on the top :) ) and make a good shielding around BF 988 (or equivalent). This two parts are most sensitive on that matter. I hope I helped someone. Bye! Silvije www.silvije.tk From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Fri Aug 6 08:29:21 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Fri Aug 6 08:29:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] reduction of beam divergence Message-ID: Hi again! This is for Clock and other that are experimenting, beginners should not read it :)) I am using 100 mm lenses and noticed very big beam divergence, so I tried to do something about it and did an experiment: I cut off the epoxy dome of the HPWT led and put that led into same TX head. Result: Beam divergence was about two to tree times smaller. Beam could be focused to a realy small dot. Although intensity of the light was reduced too, and I am not sure does it affects the working distance dramatically. If someone is willing to make exact test again to check it I will be glad to share experience and results. If this works, than it would be great solution for making RONJA links more secure of intrusion, and it would be a solution for those people who have complaining neighbours as myself. Smaller divergence means smaller dot so the red RONJA light would not iritate anyone. Silvije www.silvije.tk From hollari1 at gmx.at Fri Aug 6 13:33:35 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Fri Aug 6 13:34:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: reduction of beam divergence (Silvije) References: <20040806110020.10769gmx1@mx017.gmx.net> Message-ID: <1124.1091795615@www36.gmx.net> If you have complaining Neighbours, why dont you use Infrared LEDs ?!? -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig & kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Fri Aug 6 21:57:49 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?us-ascii?Q?Gullik_Webjorn?=) Date: Fri Aug 6 21:57:13 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] reduction of beam divergence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Silvije, What should matter is the intensity in the part of the beam that hits the receiver. How did you cut the dome, with file, saw or razor? Did you get the surface flat and even? If you got divergence down, it should mean higher intensity, not lower. If tha resulting surface is rough, try to get some car painters emory paper, they have 600 and 1200 grits / inch, you could finish the last using toothpaste, toothpaste is TiO2, and can be used to polish anything to great finish, we used it in the old days to adjust frequency control quartz crystals by polishing on a piece of glass smeared with toothpaste. I think you are on the right track, if you can bring down the "spot" as seen looking into the ronja transmitter, the resulting BFL/FFL ratio will bring up the intensity since projected size = BFL/FFL * emitter size. It surprices me the dome is not close to optimal..but maybee HPWT is designed to spread the light, rather than collimating it. Best of luck, Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For Silvije Skickat: den 6 augusti 2004 09:29 Till: ronja@lists.pointless.net Amne: [Ronja] reduction of beam divergence Hi again! This is for Clock and other that are experimenting, beginners should not read it :)) I am using 100 mm lenses and noticed very big beam divergence, so I tried to do something about it and did an experiment: I cut off the epoxy dome of the HPWT led and put that led into same TX head. Result: Beam divergence was about two to tree times smaller. Beam could be focused to a realy small dot. Although intensity of the light was reduced too, and I am not sure does it affects the working distance dramatically. If someone is willing to make exact test again to check it I will be glad to share experience and results. If this works, than it would be great solution for making RONJA links more secure of intrusion, and it would be a solution for those people who have complaining neighbours as myself. Smaller divergence means smaller dot so the red RONJA light would not iritate anyone. Silvije www.silvije.tk _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From dcoun at med.uoc.gr Sat Aug 7 11:00:14 2004 From: dcoun at med.uoc.gr (Dimitris Kounalakis) Date: Sat Aug 7 09:59:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 900nm ? Message-ID: <4114A82E.8090603@med.uoc.gr> Hi, I noticed in the specifications of BPW43 that there is a 25% increase in sensitivity if 900nm is used instead of 625nm. The problem is that this is in the infrared spectrum and in order to see the "light" you will need a camcorder or something that can see in the infrared but probably it worths a try. I believe that this change will not change the receiver and you can test it with an existing ronja trasmitter in order to be assembled. But: 1. Does the ronja transmitter need any change except the led ? 2. Did someone has tried something like that ? if yes, which led was used for transmitter? (I have found http://www.roithner-laser.com/SHP-LED.html ) 3. Ronja Nebulus is something like that? if yes, when is it going to be finished? Thank you in advance, Dimitris From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 15:07:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 15:08:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-1?B?RHI/4Ws=?= In-Reply-To: <1091271581.410b7b9def65f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <1091207745.410a8241a5e4b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <67199595203.20040730201238@atlas.cz> <1091216376.410aa3f82daa0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040731060828.GC229@beton.cybernet.src> <1091271581.410b7b9def65f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040807140754.GA6503@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 12:59:41PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > > > Ta pomoc pri oprave nefunkcnich modulu je stale aktualni? > > > > > > Ano plati. Mam tester na AUIcka, tak ho musim amortizovat. > > > > Co to je za tester a jak to funguje? > > > > Cl< > > V podstate je to "digitalni" rozmitac s vykreslovanim na osciloskopu. Velice > rychle se s tim kontroluji casovaci obvody. Jen je k tomu potreba dobre > vycvicena obsluha. Mas nekde schema toho obvodu? Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Aug 7 15:28:06 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 15:28:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni 74HC04 v Tx In-Reply-To: <20040807140754.GA6503@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1091207745.410a8241a5e4b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <67199595203.20040730201238@atlas.cz> <1091216376.410aa3f82daa0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040731060828.GC229@beton.cybernet.src> <1091271581.410b7b9def65f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040807140754.GA6503@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4114E6F6.4030901@sattnet.cz> Mohl by mi nekdo schematicky znazornit (bez tech hradel atp) jak ma by zapojen :-)? Divam se totiz na fotky a skoro vsude jsem zpozoroval spojene piny na obvodu, pritom to v tom schematu proste nevidim :-). Ted mam vyuzity piny 1,2,7,9,12 a 14, nic vic. Kdyz modul zapojim, ledka neproblikne. Testpointy jsou vsechny! OK, i po pripojeni k interface (zmeni se na zminovane hodnoty). Diky From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 16:44:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 16:44:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] reduction of beam divergence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040807154421.GA7125@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 09:29:21AM +0200, Silvije wrote: > > > Hi again! > > This is for Clock and other that are experimenting, > beginners should not read it :)) > > I am using 100 mm lenses and noticed very big beam divergence, so I tried > to do something about it and did an experiment: > > I cut off the epoxy dome of the HPWT led and put that led into same TX > head. > > Result: Beam divergence was about two to tree times smaller. Beam could be > focused to a realy small dot. > > Although intensity of the light was reduced too, and I am not sure does it > affects the working distance dramatically. > > If someone is willing to make exact test again to check it I will be glad > to share experience and results. > > If this works, than it would be great solution for making RONJA links more > secure of intrusion, and it would be a solution for those people who have > complaining neighbours as myself. Smaller divergence means smaller dot so > the red RONJA light would not iritate anyone. The infrared transmitter that is near to ready to release will include a lens measurement benc as a byproduct. This is a complete measurement workbench where you can measure optical gain of diode + lens combination. So that after this is out, you can just figure out the gain, look up the range in associated tables or compare with other lens/diode combinations. ground/unground piece of the same LED type are two different diodes from this point of view (because they have different optical properties). Cl< > > Silvije > www.silvije.tk > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Aug 7 18:18:15 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 18:18:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni 74HC04 v Tx In-Reply-To: <4114E6F6.4030901@sattnet.cz> References: <1091207745.410a8241a5e4b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <67199595203.20040730201238@atlas.cz> <1091216376.410aa3f82daa0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040731060828.GC229@beton.cybernet.src> <1091271581.410b7b9def65f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040807140754.GA6503@beton.cybernet.src> <4114E6F6.4030901@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <41150ED7.2090201@sattnet.cz> Mohl by mi nekdo schematicky znazornit (bez tech hradel atp) jak ma by zapojen :-)? Divam se totiz na fotky a skoro vsude jsem zpozoroval spojene piny na obvodu, pritom to v tom schematu proste nevidim :-). Ted mam vyuzite piny 1,2,7,9,12 a 14, nic vic. Kdyz modul zapojim, ledka neproblikne. Testpointy jsou vsechny! OK, i po pripojeni k interface (zmeni se na zminovane hodnoty). Pripadne napsat ktere se propojuji. Fakt uz jsem bezradny :-(. Nebo byla nejaka zmena? V tom pripade by ty fotky nebyly aktualni. Zapojil jsem to presne dle schematu a nic :-( From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Aug 7 18:29:20 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 18:30:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni 74HC04 v Tx References: <1091207745.410a8241a5e4b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <67199595203.20040730201238@atlas.cz> <1091216376.410aa3f82daa0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040731060828.GC229@beton.cybernet.src> <1091271581.410b7b9def65f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040807140754.GA6503@beton.cybernet.src><4114E6F6.4030901@sattnet.cz> <41150ED7.2090201@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c47ca4$1337a0b0$0103450a@thechosen> a co ti na tom neni jasne? ksyz se podivas na schema http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis_transmitter.png tak ja tam teda vidim vsechny piny. das na sebe 3 svaby, spajis je a zapojis podle tech cisel. ne? :) malovat to nemam cas Glo > Mohl by mi nekdo schematicky znazornit (bez tech hradel atp) jak ma by > zapojen :-)? Divam se totiz na fotky a skoro vsude jsem zpozoroval > spojene piny na obvodu, pritom to v tom schematu proste nevidim :-). Ted > mam vyuzite piny 1,2,7,9,12 a 14, nic vic. Kdyz modul zapojim, ledka > neproblikne. Testpointy jsou vsechny! OK, i po pripojeni k interface > (zmeni se na zminovane hodnoty). > > Pripadne napsat ktere se propojuji. Fakt uz jsem bezradny :-(. Nebo byla > nejaka zmena? V tom pripade by ty fotky nebyly aktualni. Zapojil jsem to > presne dle schematu a nic :-( > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 19:23:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 19:24:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 11 installation in CZFree.NET Praha Message-ID: <20040807182331.GA7926@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have uptated the page dedicated to installations of Ronja in CZFree.NET Praha (there are also installations in Prague that are not in CZFree.NET, but only couple of them). http://ronja.twibright.com/czfree.php The count is 11 at the moment. You can see ortophoto pictures of all of them there grabbed from CZFree.NET monitor. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 19:33:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 19:33:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni 74HC04 v Tx In-Reply-To: <4114E6F6.4030901@sattnet.cz> References: <1091207745.410a8241a5e4b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <67199595203.20040730201238@atlas.cz> <1091216376.410aa3f82daa0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040731060828.GC229@beton.cybernet.src> <1091271581.410b7b9def65f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040807140754.GA6503@beton.cybernet.src> <4114E6F6.4030901@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040807183317.GC7926@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 04:28:06PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Mohl by mi nekdo schematicky znazornit (bez tech hradel atp) jak ma by > zapojen :-)? Divam se totiz na fotky a skoro vsude jsem zpozoroval > spojene piny na obvodu, pritom to v tom schematu proste nevidim :-). Ted > mam vyuzity piny 1,2,7,9,12 a 14, nic vic. Kdyz modul zapojim, ledka > neproblikne. Testpointy jsou vsechny! OK, i po pripojeni k interface > (zmeni se na zminovane hodnoty). > Diky A vzdyt v tom schematu taky jsou ty piny spojeny, ne? Kdyz si prijdes jak jsou ty cary ve schematu, zjistis, ze piny 1 obvodu 1,2,3 jsou spojeny dohromady, piny 2 taktez, atd. az piny 14. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 19:36:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 19:37:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 900nm ? In-Reply-To: <4114A82E.8090603@med.uoc.gr> References: <4114A82E.8090603@med.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <20040807183643.GD7926@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 12:00:14PM +0200, Dimitris Kounalakis wrote: > Hi, > > I noticed in the specifications of BPW43 that there is a 25% increase in > sensitivity if 900nm is used instead of 625nm. > The problem is that this is in the infrared spectrum and in order to see > the "light" you will need a camcorder or something that can see in the > infrared but probably it worths a try. > I believe that this change will not change the receiver and you can test > it with an existing ronja trasmitter in order to be assembled. > But: > 1. Does the ronja transmitter need any change except the led ? Yes, substantial. Wait a while until Nebulus (and Ronja Inferno, the infrared Ronja, and Ronja Benchpress with Audiofire and Starquake) will be released. > 2. Did someone has tried something like that ? if yes, which led was > used for transmitter? (I have found > http://www.roithner-laser.com/SHP-LED.html ) > 3. Ronja Nebulus is something like that? if yes, when is it going to be > finished? Soon - some formal talk about how to put Ronja Inferno and Ronja Benchpress together and how to use them remains to be written. Also couple of diagrams etc. must be drawn. The main stuff of guides is already written. Cl< > > Thank you in advance, > Dimitris > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 19:41:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 19:42:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni 74HC04 v Tx In-Reply-To: <41150ED7.2090201@sattnet.cz> References: <1091207745.410a8241a5e4b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <67199595203.20040730201238@atlas.cz> <1091216376.410aa3f82daa0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040731060828.GC229@beton.cybernet.src> <1091271581.410b7b9def65f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040807140754.GA6503@beton.cybernet.src> <4114E6F6.4030901@sattnet.cz> <41150ED7.2090201@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040807184147.GE7926@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 07:18:15PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Mohl by mi nekdo schematicky znazornit (bez tech hradel atp) jak ma by > zapojen :-)? Divam se totiz na fotky a skoro vsude jsem zpozoroval > spojene piny na obvodu, pritom to v tom schematu proste nevidim :-). Ted > mam vyuzite piny 1,2,7,9,12 a 14, nic vic. Kdyz modul zapojim, ledka A odskrtaval sis cary v navodu propiskou jak se to pise v navodu? Nedokazu si predstavit, jak by nekdo (i byt nezkuseny) mohl zapojit vys?la? ?patn? kdyby dodr?oval to s t?m za?m?r?v?n?m spoj? ve sch?matu. Od toho to tam je - aby to lidem chodilo napoprv?, ne aby si dok?zali jak? jsou borci ?e to um?j i bez toho (z toho ?e si dok??ou ?e sou borci ??dn? konektivita neplyne, kde?to z toho ?e to bude chodit konektivita plyne ;-) ) > neproblikne. Testpointy jsou vsechny! OK, i po pripojeni k interface > (zmeni se na zminovane hodnoty). > > Pripadne napsat ktere se propojuji. Fakt uz jsem bezradny :-(. Nebo byla > nejaka zmena? V tom pripade by ty fotky nebyly aktualni. Zapojil jsem to > presne dle schematu a nic :-( To bys m?l vyu?it? i ostatn? piny - 3,4,5,6,8,10,11 - kdybys to zapojil p?esn? podle sch?matu. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 19:44:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 19:45:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040807184446.GG7926@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 06:16:39PM +0200, Martin Benda wrote: > Omlouvam se za mystifikaci, ale jsem elektro-lama a prave jsem zjistil, ze > neni dobry merit tak, ze rukama pridrzuju hroty meraku k vyvedenemu kabelu > RSSI..... To ses primo elektricky dotykal hrotu rukama? Asi napisu do navodu ze se to nema delat, aby se to lidem nestavalo. > > Takze RSSI se mi chova zrejme korektne - kdyz je zrcatku asi 5cm od > modulu, je RSSI 4V. Postupne se vzdalenosti klesa az na 10mV, kdyz to > zrcatko dam uplne pryc. Ve vzdalenosti 2.5m je 35mV. Presne do teto > vzdalenosti jeste blika prijimaci ledka na twisteru na posilane pakety. > > Problem je, ze pakety se prestanou vracet nekde v 1.8m, kdy je RSSI cca > 100mV, zelena led na twisteru sice blika i dal, ale ifconfig ukazuje > vzrustajici "errors" nebo vubec nic... Pingam paketama standardni > velikosti. To je asi normalni vzdalenost. Obzvlast jestli je v mistnosti jeste jasnejsi osvetleni. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 19:48:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 19:49:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040807184834.GA8055@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 04:22:36PM +0200, Martin Benda wrote: > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:48:33 +0200, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > >Neco nekde kmita, nebo bere bordel z eteru. Mate Rx a Tx krabicky > >kompletne > >uzavrene? > > > >RSSI by totiz melo konvergovat k nule. U me ukazuje cca 2mV a uz to neni > >uplne > >dobre. (budu muset zastrcit diody, couha mi cca 1/2 ven) Ja myslim ze konvergovat nemusi - od tech dob, co se tam dalo lepsi RSSI. Ono to totiz ve stavu ticha chyta vlastni sum a jeho silu to pak ukazuje. A protoze kazdy prijimac je jinak citlivy, kazdemu bude RSSI naprazdno ukazovat neco jineho. Tobe se stane, ze kdyz zastrcis diodu, klesne RSSI z 2mV na 0mV? > > > > > >S pozdravem > > Hmm, krabicky Rx a Tx maji pripajene dno, viko je na nich jenom nacvakle, > akorat ten twister je holy pcb lezici na koberci asi 30cm od Rx a Tx. > > Kmitani pujde odhalit asi jenom na osciloskopu, ne? > > PS: nekde asi bude opravdu pruser, protoze krabicky tu mam ted pod stolem > zapojeny a RSSI lita kolem 0.5-1V pritom se do Rx zadnej signal z Tx > neodrazi (Tx sviti uplne nekam jinam). Neni tu tedy tma, ale celkem sero. Mam tady zazracne Maluskovo RX ktere se chova divne a mozna to bude buga v RX. Cekam ze pokud by byla, odstrani se nekde nejakym kondenzatorem nebo necim podobnym. Az se k tomu dostanu tak se na to podivam. > Staci abych prst priblizil k prijimaci ledce tak na 1cm a zelena twister > led se cela rozsviti. A jak se meni RSSI kdyz priblizujes prst? A jaky to ma dosah bez optiky? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 19:50:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 19:51:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040807185036.GB8055@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 03:36:02PM +0200, Martin Benda wrote: > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:01:10 +0200, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > >Nemate treba jak uz tady bylo zmineno prilis vystrcenou SFH203 z > >krabicky? > > Tak jsem BPW43 trochu zastrcil - ted kouka ven tak cca 2/5. Jeden par > zvladne 180cm, druhy necelych 150cm. A nezkusil jsi to s tim thermal shieldem? Ja snad napisu do navodu, ze se ma dosah bez optiky testovat s thermal shieldama. Cl< > > >Zkusil bych se zamerit na tuhle hodnotu. > > > >Moje RX ztraci pakety pri RSSI 30 a 50mV pri vzdalenosti 2.5m > > > > > >Na delku 1.6m RSSI ukazuje prave neco kolem tech 300mV. > > Zajimave je, ze RSSI ukazuje kolem 0.3V az 0.4V, i kdyz neprichazi signal > zadny - vysilaci LED je uplne zakryta. Z tranzistoru jsem pary vybiral > tak, ze zesilujici faktor byl vzdy u obou stejny. > > >Tazke z toho mi vyplyva: > > > >Zisk jednotlivych stupnu je dobry, ale nekde se prci casovani (hrany > >signalu), > >tj preslechy, (za) kmitani, nejsou poparovane tranzistory v jednotlivych > >omezovacich. > > Nestineny twister nevadi? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Aug 7 20:09:59 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Aug 7 20:10:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <20040807184446.GG7926@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20040807184446.GG7926@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1091905799.411529071c386@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 06:16:39PM +0200, Martin Benda wrote: > > Omlouvam se za mystifikaci, ale jsem elektro-lama a prave jsem zjistil, ze > > > neni dobry merit tak, ze rukama pridrzuju hroty meraku k vyvedenemu kabelu > > > RSSI..... > > To ses primo elektricky dotykal hrotu rukama? > > Asi napisu do navodu ze se to nema delat, aby se to lidem nestavalo. > Jo jeste hodnota RSSI je platna jen kdyz neprochazi data, jinak kolisa. > > > > Takze RSSI se mi chova zrejme korektne - kdyz je zrcatku asi 5cm od > > modulu, je RSSI 4V. Postupne se vzdalenosti klesa az na 10mV, kdyz to > > zrcatko dam uplne pryc. Ve vzdalenosti 2.5m je 35mV. Presne do teto > > vzdalenosti jeste blika prijimaci ledka na twisteru na posilane pakety. > > > > Problem je, ze pakety se prestanou vracet nekde v 1.8m, kdy je RSSI cca > > 100mV, zelena led na twisteru sice blika i dal, ale ifconfig ukazuje > > vzrustajici "errors" nebo vubec nic... Pingam paketama standardni > > velikosti. > > To je asi normalni vzdalenost. Obzvlast jestli je v mistnosti jeste > jasnejsi osvetleni. > Vypada to, ze spojeni vypadne kolem RSSI = 80-100mV. TWISTER ma mensi (asi o dost) dosah nez AUI interface. > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Aug 7 20:18:11 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 20:18:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni 74HC04 v Tx In-Reply-To: <20040807184147.GE7926@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1091207745.410a8241a5e4b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <67199595203.20040730201238@atlas.cz> <1091216376.410aa3f82daa0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040731060828.GC229@beton.cybernet.src> <1091271581.410b7b9def65f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040807140754.GA6503@beton.cybernet.src> <4114E6F6.4030901@sattnet.cz> <41150ED7.2090201@sattnet.cz> <20040807184147.GE7926@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41152AF3.1000106@sattnet.cz> Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): >On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 07:18:15PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > >>Mohl by mi nekdo schematicky znazornit (bez tech hradel atp) jak ma by >>zapojen :-)? Divam se totiz na fotky a skoro vsude jsem zpozoroval >>spojene piny na obvodu, pritom to v tom schematu proste nevidim :-). Ted >>mam vyuzite piny 1,2,7,9,12 a 14, nic vic. Kdyz modul zapojim, ledka >> >> > >A odskrtaval sis cary v navodu propiskou jak se to pise v navodu? Nedokazu > > Projistotu ano :-). >si predstavit, jak by nekdo (i byt nezkuseny) mohl zapojit vys?la? ?patn? >kdyby dodr?oval to s t?m za?m?r?v?n?m spoj? ve sch?matu. > >Od toho to tam je - aby to lidem chodilo napoprv?, ne aby si dok?zali jak? >jsou borci ?e to um?j i bez toho (z toho ?e si dok??ou ?e sou borci >??dn? konektivita neplyne, kde?to z toho ?e to bude chodit konektivita >plyne ;-) ) > > > >>neproblikne. Testpointy jsou vsechny! OK, i po pripojeni k interface >>(zmeni se na zminovane hodnoty). >> >>Pripadne napsat ktere se propojuji. Fakt uz jsem bezradny :-(. Nebo byla >>nejaka zmena? V tom pripade by ty fotky nebyly aktualni. Zapojil jsem to >>presne dle schematu a nic :-( >> >> > >To bys m?l vyu?it? i ostatn? piny - 3,4,5,6,8,10,11 - kdybys to zapojil >p?esn? podle sch?matu. > > > Celou dobu jsem se na to schema dival z jineho pohledu, uz je mi to jasne a divim se, ze >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040807/67b1b71e/attachment.htm From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Aug 7 20:21:53 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 20:22:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni 74HC04 v Tx In-Reply-To: <20040807184147.GE7926@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1091207745.410a8241a5e4b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <67199595203.20040730201238@atlas.cz> <1091216376.410aa3f82daa0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040731060828.GC229@beton.cybernet.src> <1091271581.410b7b9def65f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040807140754.GA6503@beton.cybernet.src> <4114E6F6.4030901@sattnet.cz> <41150ED7.2090201@sattnet.cz> <20040807184147.GE7926@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41152BD1.5060203@sattnet.cz> Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): >On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 07:18:15PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > >>Mohl by mi nekdo schematicky znazornit (bez tech hradel atp) jak ma by >>zapojen :-)? Divam se totiz na fotky a skoro vsude jsem zpozoroval >>spojene piny na obvodu, pritom to v tom schematu proste nevidim :-). Ted >>mam vyuzite piny 1,2,7,9,12 a 14, nic vic. Kdyz modul zapojim, ledka >> >> > >A odskrtaval sis cary v navodu propiskou jak se to pise v navodu? Nedokazu >si predstavit, jak by nekdo (i byt nezkuseny) mohl zapojit vys?la? ?patn? >kdyby dodr?oval to s t?m za?m?r?v?n?m spoj? ve sch?matu. > >Od toho to tam je - aby to lidem chodilo napoprv?, ne aby si dok?zali jak? >jsou borci ?e to um?j i bez toho (z toho ?e si dok??ou ?e sou borci >??dn? konektivita neplyne, kde?to z toho ?e to bude chodit konektivita >plyne ;-) ) > > > >>neproblikne. Testpointy jsou vsechny! OK, i po pripojeni k interface >>(zmeni se na zminovane hodnoty). >> >>Pripadne napsat ktere se propojuji. Fakt uz jsem bezradny :-(. Nebo byla >>nejaka zmena? V tom pripade by ty fotky nebyly aktualni. Zapojil jsem to >>presne dle schematu a nic :-( >> >> > >To bys m?l vyu?it? i ostatn? piny - 3,4,5,6,8,10,11 - kdybys to zapojil >p?esn? podle sch?matu. > > > ...a divim se, ze jsem to nevidel. Takze moduly jsou plne funkcni, resp. akorat morfovaly z plosnaku do hnizda ;-). >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040807/80097889/attachment.htm From bendis at pilsfree.net Sat Aug 7 20:24:12 2004 From: bendis at pilsfree.net (Martin Benda) Date: Sat Aug 7 20:24:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <20040807184446.GG7926@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20040807184446.GG7926@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:44:46 +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote: >> Omlouvam se za mystifikaci, ale jsem elektro-lama a prave jsem zjistil, >> ze >> neni dobry merit tak, ze rukama pridrzuju hroty meraku k vyvedenemu >> kabelu >> RSSI..... > > To ses primo elektricky dotykal hrotu rukama? > > Asi napisu do navodu ze se to nema delat, aby se to lidem nestavalo. > Nejdrive jo, pak jsem si uvedomil svuj odpor a nedotykal se vodive, ale staci, abych RSSI dvoulinku chytil (pres izolaci) mezi dva prsty a RSSI vzroste asi o 100mV. Jinak musim uznat, ze ackoliv jsem na elektro-veci uplna lama (gympl a pak softwarerina) - to uz z prispevku asi vyplynulo :-) - a pred ronjou jsem nedrzel pajku v paratech (!), tak jsem byl schopen podle navodu postavit vicemene funkcni elektroniku Ronji - vyborna prace Clocku! > A jak se meni RSSI kdyz priblizujes prst? A jaky to ma dosah bez optiky? RSSI vzroste asi na 300mV, nekdy se zacne rozsvecovat zelena Rx ledka na twisteru. Bez optiky davam neco kolem 1,5m. > A nezkusil jsi to s tim thermal shieldem? Ja snad napisu do navodu, > ze se ma dosah bez optiky testovat s thermal shieldama. Nezkusil, do tubusu jsem se jeste nepustil. Ale thermal-shield mi to uz asi moc nevylepsi, domnivam se, ze pruser bude v provedeni stineni krabicek - napr. prepazky mam z pozinku a jsou skutecne cinem vice prilepene, nez priletovane. V pondeli se pokusim hnizda presidlit do lepsiho bydleni ;-) Dalsi zajimavy postrech: V navodu se tvrdi, ze krabicky musi byt *dokonale* zakrytovane - ja s otevrenyma krabickama zvladnu bez packet-loss 70-80cm, coz se mi zda dost. Ale kdyz je zavru, tak to vzroste tak na 1.5m, coz je nejspis zase malo - a ted ta zajimvost - stejnou vzdalenost mam, kdyz vicko jen tak ledabyle napric pres krabicku polozim! Znamena to, ze zacvaknute vicko na krabicce (AH-102 nebo neco takovyho) nestaci a musi se tam vytvaret nejaky ty chlopne na vicku? Dale bych chtel vedet, jak je to se stinenim twisteru - jak moc je dulezite. Pri testovani mam totiz twister jen jako PCB lezici na koberci cca metr od kompu - projevi se to na ruseni? A posledni vec - je normalni, ze spoj pri zvetsovani vzdalenosti jede porad ok a pak najednou - temer skokem - prestane uplne fachat (ani paket neprojde)? Cekal jsem, ze se bude packet-loss zvysovat postupne... Diky za vsechny odpovedi a Ronje zdar! Bendis From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 20:44:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 20:44:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] chyba v PCB Twisteru In-Reply-To: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <20040807194403.GA8198@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 03:28:06PM +0200, REMET wrote: > Ahoj, > objevil jsem malou chybu v PCB Twisteru, ktera sice nema valny vliv na > funkcnost, ale.... > - konendator C99 neni nikam zapojen - jedna noha je na zem, druha noha neni > zapojena nikam (mela by byt na +5V) Diky, uz jsem to fixnul. Revize PCB se meni na 20040807. Chybu jsem zpusobil ja a neprisla na ni automatika hledani konektivity v programu PCB. Pod ploskou jsem nechal totiz kousek cary od nejake cary kterou jsem tam nakreslil a smazal a kdyz jsem tam pak dal polygon, ktery se automaticky vykrajuje, scanner v PCB si myslel, ze to je spojene, ale spojene to nebylo. Kousek cary normalne nijak pri navrhu videt nebyl, protoze byl zakryty ploskou od soucastky. Napsal jsem taky na mailing list od PCB popis, co se stalo a zadost, jestli by nebylo mozne nejak tohle ve scannovacim algoritmu opravit. Carku jsem odstranil a pridelal jsem pacicky na spojeni s +5V plochou. Chyba vliv na funkcnost bude mit maly nebo zadny (proti vrabcimu hnizdu jsem to testoval s tou chybou). Kdo chce mit jistotu, muze si chybu opravit podle tohoto navodu: http://images.twibright.com/tns/fc5.html Kde by oprava chyby znamenala demontaz ze zarizeni, tam bych ji nedoporucoval. Jako vedlejsi efekt jsem zjistil, ze v nove verzi PCB pribyla featura assembly (montazniho) planku, cehoz jsem vyuzil a montazni planek, ktery mi prijde prakticky, jsem zapracoval do navodu: http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php#assy a do popisu objednavani tistenych spoju: http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/pcb.php Cl< > > REMET > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 20:48:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 20:55:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Harmless bug in PCB: fixed Message-ID: <20040807194805.GB8198@beton.cybernet.src> Hello In PCB of Twister there has been found a bug. Capacitor C99 wasn't connected to +5V plane. Recommendation for users: if the PCB is mounted, ignore the bug, it doesn't affect the function or only unnoticeably. If the PCB is not mounted yet, fix the bug according to this picture: http://images.twibright.com/tns/fc5.html The bug has been fixed and PCB revision incremented to 20040807. As a byproduct I also discovered new version of PCB generates assembly plan. The assembly plan seems to be useful. The assembly plan has been incorporated into Twister building guide: http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php#assy and also into the ordering instructions: http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/pcb.php Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 21:00:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 21:01:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040807200040.GA8444@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 11:55:21PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > mas tam bf 988 jo? muzes pls neco zkusit? vyndej kondenzator v RX C153, je > to 100n u delice u toho fetu. treba ho odpajej ze strany co jde na zem. me > tam zlobil a dal jsem i jednu krabicku clockovi at to prozkouma. pokud se ti > po odebrani zvedne dosah ses na tom jak ja a aspon bude o to vetsi potreba > to odladit. mozna to dela jen tenhle tranzistor. Ja jsem tam ale mel taky v nejmin jednom (svym) BF988 ale uz nevim v kterym. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 21:05:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 21:06:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040807200556.GB8444@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 06:36:25PM +0200, Martin Benda wrote: > Zdravim, > > nedavno jsem dokoncil stavbu dvou Rx, Tx a Twister modulu a ted jsem se > pustil do testovani. Vse na prvni pohled fungovalo tak, jak ma, ale pri > mereni vzdalenosti, co to jeste zvladne, to uz tak krasne nebylo. Jeden > par zvlada cca 140cm, druhy 160cm - to je vzdalenost, na kterou neni > prakticky zadny packetloss, pokud se vzdalenost zvysi tak o 10cm, tak uz > neprojde ani jeden paket (RSSI ukazuje na te hranici priblizne 30mV). > > Testovani probiha na koberci pod stolem a vzdy jen v zapojeni loopback - > jenom se divam, jestli se pakety objevuji dvakrat. Rx a Tx moduly jsou > postaveny podle navodu v airwire, twister je na objednanem PCB a neni > zatim v zadne krabicce (tzn. plosnak lezici na koberci). Obe krabicky jsou > pro testovani zavrene (krabicky jsou AH-107). Vysila HPWT-BD00-F4000, > prijima BPW43. > > Prvni podezreni padlo na zniceny MOSFET BF988 (s pajkou nemam az zas > takove zkusenosti), ale v obou modulech jsem ho velmi peclive vymenil > (oboje ruce i hrot trafopajky uzemeny). Hodnoty na mericich bodech jsou > nasledujici (pouze jeden par, druhy je temer stejny): > > RX > > P101 11.19V > P102 3.46V > P103 0.1mV > P104 6.83V > P105 5.49V > P106 5.34V > P107 0..4V > P108 10.61V > P109 4.59V > P110 11.79V > > TX > > P1 0V > P2 4.95V > P3 4.41V > P4 4.96V > P5 9.52V > P6 2.87V > P7 67mA > P8 4.97V > P9 11.79V > > Vse odpovida tabulce, jedine, co nesedi, je P6 v Rx (mel by byt 2.4V - > 2.6V). > > Obvody jsem promeroval a kontroloval snad desetkrat a uz fakt nevim, co s > tim je. Napada me: > 1. zniceny BF988 (ale pak uz vazne nevim, jak ho tam bezpecne pridelat :-)) > 2. nestineny twister (?) > 3. dal uz me nic nenapada... > > Predem moc dekuji za jakoukoliv odpoved/pomoc. Hm to vypada na to samy co mi daval Malusek na debugovani. Zkus vyletovat C153 a zmerit vzdalenost znova a rekni, co se stalo. Cl< > > Bendis > > -- > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 21:25:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 21:25:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20040807184446.GG7926@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040807202513.GB8525@beton.cybernet.src> > >>Omlouvam se za mystifikaci, ale jsem elektro-lama a prave jsem zjistil, > >>ze > >>neni dobry merit tak, ze rukama pridrzuju hroty meraku k vyvedenemu > >>kabelu > >>RSSI..... > > > >To ses primo elektricky dotykal hrotu rukama? > > > >Asi napisu do navodu ze se to nema delat, aby se to lidem nestavalo. > > > > Nejdrive jo, pak jsem si uvedomil svuj odpor a nedotykal se vodive, ale > staci, abych RSSI dvoulinku chytil (pres izolaci) mezi dva prsty a RSSI > vzroste asi o 100mV. Jo diky tak jsem do TODO listu napsal ze tam mam napsat ze se to nema drzet ani pres izolaci. Asi se tam kapacitne vaze nejaky ruseni, na ktery to RSSI pak i reaguje. > > Jinak musim uznat, ze ackoliv jsem na elektro-veci uplna lama (gympl a pak > softwarerina) - to uz z prispevku asi vyplynulo :-) - a pred ronjou jsem > nedrzel pajku v paratech (!), tak jsem byl schopen podle navodu postavit > vicemene funkcni elektroniku Ronji - vyborna prace Clocku! Hm diky ale takovyhle drobny bugy tam asi jsou - a budou tam dokud je uzivatele vsechny nenabonzujou :) > > >A jak se meni RSSI kdyz priblizujes prst? A jaky to ma dosah bez optiky? > > RSSI vzroste asi na 300mV, nekdy se zacne rozsvecovat zelena Rx ledka na > twisteru. Bez optiky davam neco kolem 1,5m. Tak to zkus prosimte s thermal shieldem. Zda se ze by se to melo asi zkouset na zemi s nim, protoze je ten prijimac proste moc citlivej. Asi to napisu do navodu. Uz jsem to dal taky do TODO listu. > > >A nezkusil jsi to s tim thermal shieldem? Ja snad napisu do navodu, > >ze se ma dosah bez optiky testovat s thermal shieldama. > > Nezkusil, do tubusu jsem se jeste nepustil. Ale thermal-shield mi to uz > asi moc nevylepsi, domnivam se, ze pruser bude v provedeni stineni > krabicek - napr. prepazky mam z pozinku a jsou skutecne cinem vice > prilepene, nez priletovane. V pondeli se pokusim hnizda presidlit do Aha tak to je spatne. To mel Elite a nejak mu to cely blblo a nakonec to predelal a uz to neblbne. > lepsiho bydleni ;-) > > Dalsi zajimavy postrech: > V navodu se tvrdi, ze krabicky musi byt *dokonale* zakrytovane - ja s > otevrenyma krabickama zvladnu bez packet-loss 70-80cm, coz se mi zda dost. > Ale kdyz je zavru, tak to vzroste tak na 1.5m, coz je nejspis zase malo - > a ted ta zajimvost - stejnou vzdalenost mam, kdyz vicko jen tak ledabyle > napric pres krabicku polozim! Znamena to, ze zacvaknute vicko na krabicce > (AH-102 nebo neco takovyho) nestaci a musi se tam vytvaret nejaky ty > chlopne na vicku? To spis znamena ze to polozeny vicko melo nahodou zrovna kontakt v tech spravnych mistech, ne? > > Dale bych chtel vedet, jak je to se stinenim twisteru - jak moc je > dulezite. Pri testovani mam totiz twister jen jako PCB lezici na koberci > cca metr od kompu - projevi se to na ruseni? Moc neni - ma to cely zemni plochu na tistaku, ta by to mela zajistit. Ale bude to vyzarovat ruseni. A taky by to mohlo reagovat na ruzne prskani spotrebicu pri zapnuti a podobne. Takze od toho se to dava do krabicky. > > A posledni vec - je normalni, ze spoj pri zvetsovani vzdalenosti jede > porad ok a pak najednou - temer skokem - prestane uplne fachat (ani paket > neprojde)? Cekal jsem, ze se bude packet-loss zvysovat postupne... Jo to je normalni ze to je skokem. To pasmo tam je, ale je strasne uzky. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 21:26:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 21:27:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni 74HC04 v Tx In-Reply-To: <41152AF3.1000106@sattnet.cz> References: <1091207745.410a8241a5e4b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <67199595203.20040730201238@atlas.cz> <1091216376.410aa3f82daa0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040731060828.GC229@beton.cybernet.src> <1091271581.410b7b9def65f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040807140754.GA6503@beton.cybernet.src> <4114E6F6.4030901@sattnet.cz> <41150ED7.2090201@sattnet.cz> <20040807184147.GE7926@beton.cybernet.src> <41152AF3.1000106@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040807202656.GC8525@beton.cybernet.src> > >>mam vyuzite piny 1,2,7,9,12 a 14, nic vic. Kdyz modul zapojim, ledka > >> > >> > > > >A odskrtaval sis cary v navodu propiskou jak se to pise v navodu? Nedokazu > > > > > Projistotu ano :-). Tak to mi teda vysvetli jakym zpusobem se ti pri odskrtavani podarilo dospet ke spatne sletovanemu kusu, a ja se to pokusim v navodu opravit tak, aby se to nikomu dalsimu stat nemohlo. > Celou dobu jsem se na to schema dival z jineho pohledu, uz je mi to > jasne a divim se, ze Jak z jineho pohledu? Ono se to da nejak jinak interpretovat? Jestli jo, tak tam asi napisu, jak se ty schemata ctou nebo nevim co. Prosim o detailnejsi vysvetleni problemu v navodu. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 21:30:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 21:31:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <1091905799.411529071c386@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20040807184446.GG7926@beton.cybernet.src> <1091905799.411529071c386@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040807203041.GE8525@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:09:59PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 06:16:39PM +0200, Martin Benda wrote: > > > Omlouvam se za mystifikaci, ale jsem elektro-lama a prave jsem zjistil, ze > > > > > neni dobry merit tak, ze rukama pridrzuju hroty meraku k vyvedenemu kabelu > > > > > RSSI..... > > > > To ses primo elektricky dotykal hrotu rukama? > > > > Asi napisu do navodu ze se to nema delat, aby se to lidem nestavalo. > > > Jo jeste hodnota RSSI je platna jen kdyz neprochazi data, jinak kolisa. Jo podivam se do navodu a pripadne to opravim. Myslim ze se tam pise, ze se to ma pouzivat bez dat jenom na hledani maxima pri zamerovani, ale stejne se pro jistotu podivam. > Vypada to, ze spojeni vypadne kolem RSSI = 80-100mV. TWISTER ma mensi (asi o > dost) dosah nez AUI interface. Hm to je divny - ja jsem Twistera testoval proti AUI a melo to dosah uplne nachlup stejny. Mas Twistera v krabicce? Pouzil jsi nejake ekvivalenty? Pokud ano, jake? Odchylil ses pri jeho stavbe nejak od navodu? Pokud ano, jak? Jeste by to mohlo byt zpusobeno rozptylem vyrobnich parametru tech budicu, napis prosimte presny typ. Pokud by se ukazalo, ze jsou budice divne, asi by se musely vyhodit a dat misto nich zpet diskretni reseni podobne jako to bylo v AUI Forte. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 21:49:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 21:49:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200408051548.33667.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040807204917.GA8603@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 04:56:33PM +0200, Martin Benda wrote: > Jeste jedna poznamka - NE592 mam v DIL8, nekde jsem tu zahledl, ze s tim > mozna byly problemy, ale dle meho presvedceni je jedno, jestli DIL8 nebo > DIL14... No s DIL8 problemy jsou, jak se koukam, jeste jsem se nedostal k tomu, abych to v navodu skrtnul, tak jsem to tam skrtnul ted. Prepsal jsem to i ve schematu explicitne na DIL14 i v seznamech soucastek. Zkus pls preletovat DIL8 za DIL14 a rekni, jak se to cele zmenilo. Diky. Vic lidi uz reportovalo ze ty DIL8 jsou shity, jeden dokonce ze mu blbli i na nejakym jinym projektu nez je Ronja. Cl< > > On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:22:36 +0200, Martin Benda > wrote: > > >On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:48:33 +0200, Petr Zapadlo > >wrote: > > > >>Neco nekde kmita, nebo bere bordel z eteru. Mate Rx a Tx krabicky > >>kompletne > >>uzavrene? > >> > >>RSSI by totiz melo konvergovat k nule. U me ukazuje cca 2mV a uz to > >>neni uplne > >>dobre. (budu muset zastrcit diody, couha mi cca 1/2 ven) > >> > >> > >>S pozdravem > > > >Hmm, krabicky Rx a Tx maji pripajene dno, viko je na nich jenom > >nacvakle, akorat ten twister je holy pcb lezici na koberci asi 30cm od > >Rx a Tx. > > > >Kmitani pujde odhalit asi jenom na osciloskopu, ne? > > > >PS: nekde asi bude opravdu pruser, protoze krabicky tu mam ted pod > >stolem zapojeny a RSSI lita kolem 0.5-1V pritom se do Rx zadnej signal z > >Tx neodrazi (Tx sviti uplne nekam jinam). Neni tu tedy tma, ale celkem > >sero. Staci abych prst priblizil k prijimaci ledce tak na 1cm a zelena > >twister led se cela rozsviti. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 21:55:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 21:56:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] chyba v PCB Twisteru In-Reply-To: <1091556348.410fd3fc493a2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408030959.51474.ladmanj@volny.cz> <00cf01c4793c$d2e2e3e0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408031834.33490.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1091556348.410fd3fc493a2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040807205546.GB8603@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 08:05:48PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Ten C99 je tam stejne duplicitni a zbytecny. Stejny 100n blokovaci kondik ma U62 > nakreslen ve schematu hned vedle sebe. > Ten 100n kondiku by konec koncu stacila polovina. No od dob kdy se kvuli miniaturizaci zacly vyrabet kondy smejdy, tak plati, ze se jich zas musi davat tak 2x vic, takze 1/2 * 2 = 1 ;-) A jak jsi prisel na U62? Nepletes si to s U58? C99 je u U58. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 7 21:57:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 21:58:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] chyba v PCB Twisteru In-Reply-To: <1091556348.410fd3fc493a2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408030959.51474.ladmanj@volny.cz> <00cf01c4793c$d2e2e3e0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408031834.33490.ladmanj@volny.cz> <1091556348.410fd3fc493a2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040807205740.GC8603@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > Jak se to muze stat? > > > > Neznam PCB, ale eagle mi neda pokoj, pokud celej netlist neuspokojim. > > > > Pokud PCB neni se schematem provazano, pak to ani nebudu zkouset a > > > > zustanu > > > > > > u > > > > > > > closed source. Je to provazany a normalne to kontroluje. Popisoval jsem to Danu McMahillovi a rikal, ze to je jednoznacne buga PCB a ze se to bude muset opravit. Kvuli nejakymu odpadku cesticky to tam spatne spocetlo konektivitu mezi polygonem a padem kdyz polygon mel zapnuty automaticky vykusovani. Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Aug 7 22:32:13 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sat Aug 7 22:32:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zapojeni 74HC04 v Tx In-Reply-To: <20040807202656.GC8525@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1091207745.410a8241a5e4b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <67199595203.20040730201238@atlas.cz> <1091216376.410aa3f82daa0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040731060828.GC229@beton.cybernet.src> <1091271581.410b7b9def65f@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040807140754.GA6503@beton.cybernet.src> <4114E6F6.4030901@sattnet.cz> <41150ED7.2090201@sattnet.cz> <20040807184147.GE7926@beton.cybernet.src> <41152AF3.1000106@sattnet.cz> <20040807202656.GC8525@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41154A5D.2080006@sattnet.cz> Karel KulhavĂ˝ napsal(a): >>>>mam vyuzite piny 1,2,7,9,12 a 14, nic vic. Kdyz modul zapojim, ledka >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>A odskrtaval sis cary v navodu propiskou jak se to pise v navodu? Nedokazu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Projistotu ano :-). >> >> > >Tak to mi teda vysvetli jakym zpusobem se ti pri odskrtavani podarilo dospet >ke spatne sletovanemu kusu, a ja se to pokusim v navodu opravit tak, aby se >to nikomu dalsimu stat nemohlo. > > > Ono to nebylo spatne sletovane, jen nebyly piny na tom obvodu propojene - jak je znazorneno ve schematu. >>Celou dobu jsem se na to schema dival z jineho pohledu, uz je mi to >>jasne a divim se, ze >> >> > >Jak z jineho pohledu? Ono se to da nejak jinak interpretovat? Jestli jo, >tak tam asi napisu, jak se ty schemata ctou nebo nevim co. Prosim o >detailnejsi vysvetleni problemu v navodu. > > > To nebude nutne, skoro jsem nespal, muze za to unava :-). >Cl< > > > -- David Sedláček http://web.wifistar.net ------------- daląí část --------------- HTML p��loha byla odstranďż˝na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040807/c26969ff/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 06:10:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 06:10:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] T74LS32B1 In-Reply-To: <20040802155453.M93508@kihu.info> References: <20040802155453.M93508@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040808051017.GA180@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 05:55:21PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > Dobry den. Je mozne v Twisterovi (U54) pouzit 74LS32 misto 74HC32? Ne. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 06:11:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 06:11:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <200408021800.46347.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408021800.46347.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040808051116.GB180@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 06:00:46PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > $subj > rssi=[120,170] > Fotky zatim nejsou,nemame fotak. Hm, dobry :) Jakej to ma packetloss? Zadnej? > Akorat jsem pri zamerovani do svitani nastyd, tak je to pekne nahovno. Hm to je blby, tak zase rychle odstydni :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 06:26:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 06:26:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyby v navodu In-Reply-To: <20040803123849.GA30215@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040803123849.GA30215@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040808052620.GD180@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 02:38:49PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Nejspise chyba v navodu na Rx: > > Popisky u: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/receiver_placement.png > > nejsou konsistentni s > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > > napr L104 misto L101, C123 jsem ve schematu taky nikde nenasel (ma byt C173 ?). Diky, fixed: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/receiver_placement.png Cl< > > -- > Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > > Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) > OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) > "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 06:26:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 06:27:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyby v navodu In-Reply-To: <128678906.20040803153312@atlas.cz> References: <20040803123849.GA30215@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <128678906.20040803153312@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <20040808052656.GE180@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 03:33:12PM +0200, Ale? P??hoda wrote: > Btw ten list soucastek je taky dost mimo ;) Nakoupil jsem to vsechno a > ted mi tady zbylo cca 30 odporu a par kondiku. Mozna by to chtelo > nejaky upgrade? Ty odpory jsou na ladeni ruznych bodu v receiveru a transmitteru. Jakou hodnotu mely ty kondiky? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 06:31:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 06:32:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040808053145.GF180@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 02:45:18PM +0200, Martin Benda wrote: > Diky za radu, ale odstraneni C153 prakticky nic nezmenilo, tak jsem to > vratil... Jinak par dalsich postrehu: > > - Vsiml jsem si, ze prijimaci ledka na twisteru (zelena) blika, i kdyz > neni pred rx a tx nic, co by odrazelo svetlo - to blikani zmizelo, kdyz > jsem oddalil krabicky od sebe (rx lezelo primo na tx) - neni to zvlastni? Muzes vyfotit vnitrek a vnejsek RX a TX krabicek a celou sestavu na zemi? > > - Pokud jsem tedy papirem podlozil rx, toto blikani se neobjevovalo, ale > vzdalenost, na kterou se prenasely pakety klesla u obou dvojic priblizne > na 90cm - pri zvyseni o cca 10cm se uz nepreneslo nic a zelena ledka > prestala blikat. > > - Spletl jsem se pri vypisu hodnot v minulem prispevku - RSSI (P107) neni > pri ztrate signalu 30mV, ale 300mV. > > V GM mi BF988 dali v obyc igelitovym pytliku - je sance, ze jim to muze > uskodit? No meli by ti to spravne dat v alobalu. Ale ten pytlik ma tak malou husottu naboje na povrchu, ze to tomu nema sanci uskodit. Vadi spis kdyz se od pytliku nabije neco kovoveho a pak do tranzistoru naraz vybije, ale to pri dodrzeni pravidel na soucastky citlive na statickou elektrinu se nema jak stat. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 06:33:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 06:33:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040808053313.GG180@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 02:45:18PM +0200, Martin Benda wrote: > Diky za radu, ale odstraneni C153 prakticky nic nezmenilo, tak jsem to > vratil... Jinak par dalsich postrehu: > > - Vsiml jsem si, ze prijimaci ledka na twisteru (zelena) blika, i kdyz > neni pred rx a tx nic, co by odrazelo svetlo - to blikani zmizelo, kdyz > jsem oddalil krabicky od sebe (rx lezelo primo na tx) - neni to zvlastni? A nebyla tam podlaha? > - Pokud jsem tedy papirem podlozil rx, toto blikani se neobjevovalo, ale > vzdalenost, na kterou se prenasely pakety klesla u obou dvojic priblizne > na 90cm - pri zvyseni o cca 10cm se uz nepreneslo nic a zelena ledka > prestala blikat. Cili kdyz se to dotykalo tak to blikalo a kdyz se tam dal papir tak to prestalo? To vypada, ze tam je nejaky problem se zemema pres ktery se prenasi signal. Je to vsechno podle navodu? Nejsou krabicky otevreny? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 06:34:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 06:34:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <41122CD6.60102@sattnet.cz> References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> <41122CD6.60102@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040808053406.GH180@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 02:49:26PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Martin Benda napsal(a): > > >Diky za radu, ale odstraneni C153 prakticky nic nezmenilo, tak jsem > >to vratil... Jinak par dalsich postrehu: > > > >- Vsiml jsem si, ze prijimaci ledka na twisteru (zelena) blika, i > >kdyz neni pred rx a tx nic, co by odrazelo svetlo - to blikani > >zmizelo, kdyz jsem oddalil krabicky od sebe (rx lezelo primo na tx) - > >neni to zvlastni? > > > Asi to s tim nesouvisi, ale me stacilo k Twisterovi pripojit (na rx,tx) > dvojlinku, 30cm a zacaly se prenaset data. :-) Samozrejme byly draty > nespojene. Vidis, Ronja podporuje radiovy backup ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 06:35:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 06:35:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040808053504.GI180@beton.cybernet.src> > > > Na delku 1.6m RSSI ukazuje prave neco kolem tech 300mV. > > Tazke z toho mi vyplyva: > > Zisk jednotlivych stupnu je dobry, ale nekde se prci casovani (hrany signalu), > tj preslechy, (za) kmitani, nejsou poparovane tranzistory v jednotlivych > omezovacich. Nepoparovany tranzistory v omezovacich nemuzou zpusobit kmitani, pouze deterministicky jitter. > Nemate treba jak uz tady bylo zmineno prilis vystrcenou SFH203 z krabicky? Jo, to by se mohlo zkusit, dat tam thermal shield. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 07:07:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 07:07:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Material tubusy chybi In-Reply-To: <410B75BF.3070805@katka.biz> References: <017201c443fc$0d1f9650$4805150a@p0l0us> <018c01c44411$dd045d00$4805150a@p0l0us> <410B75BF.3070805@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040808060700.GA506@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 12:34:39PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > Ahoj, > > v seznamu materialu pro stavbu tubusu 130 a 90mm vcetne cj verzi chybi > pruchodky 8 a 10mm. D?ky, fixed. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 07:08:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 07:09:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Diry ve vicku tubusu ? In-Reply-To: <410B76DD.30007@katka.biz> References: <018c01c44411$dd045d00$4805150a@p0l0us> <000701c44412$c63ca5e0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040527193308.A6653@beton.cybernet.src> <410B76DD.30007@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040808060827.GB506@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 12:39:25PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > K cemu je tam tolik der a cokolad ? > > Nestaci tohle ?: > > Rx tubus: > Koax > Vymena napeti s Tx > Rssi > ===== > 3 diry + 6 svorek na cokolade > > Tx tubus: > Koax > Vymena napeti s Rx > Vyhrejvani cocek (vcetne Rx) > ===== > 3 diry + 6 svorek na cokolade > > > kazda dira zvysuje moznost nateceni vody > cokolady se prodavaji povetsinou ve 12ti svorkovem provedeni... Nestaci, vytapeni nemuze bejt spojeny venkem, protoze bys musel letovat na strese kdybys chtel hlavice vymenovat. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 07:11:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 07:12:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Diry ve vicku tubusu ? In-Reply-To: <410BF954.4050200@katka.biz> References: <018c01c44411$dd045d00$4805150a@p0l0us> <410B76DD.30007@katka.biz> <002001c47733$48c53e20$0581000a@steebe> <410BF954.4050200@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040808061149.GC506@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 09:56:04PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > ok dejme tomu ze uz to chapu... > > jo ten bleskovej W_PROT kabel je pripojenej ke konzoli ? Tam je svorka na hromosvod na konci tohohle kabelu. Ale az dodelam konecne na ty konzole diry na svorky na hromosvod, tak by se to mohlo pripojit na ty konzole nejakym ockem at se zbytecne nekupujou svorky na hromosvod a kabel neni zbytecne dlouhej. Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Aug 8 09:24:51 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 09:25:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <20040808053504.GI180@beton.cybernet.src> References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> <200408051501.10845.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20040808053504.GI180@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4115E353.8090103@sattnet.cz> Karel KulhavĂ˝ napsal(a): >>Na delku 1.6m RSSI ukazuje prave neco kolem tech 300mV. >> >>Tazke z toho mi vyplyva: >> >>Zisk jednotlivych stupnu je dobry, ale nekde se prci casovani (hrany signalu), >>tj preslechy, (za) kmitani, nejsou poparovane tranzistory v jednotlivych >>omezovacich. >> >> > >Nepoparovany tranzistory v omezovacich nemuzou zpusobit kmitani, pouze >deterministicky jitter. > > > >>Nemate treba jak uz tady bylo zmineno prilis vystrcenou SFH203 z krabicky? >> >> > > > Co to je "prilis vystrcena"? :-) V navodu se tusim nic takoveho nepise ;-). >Jo, to by se mohlo zkusit, dat tam thermal shield. > >Cl< > > -- David Sedláček http://web.wifistar.net ------------- daląí část --------------- HTML p��loha byla odstranďż˝na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040808/44ff5d7a/attachment.htm From dcoun at med.uoc.gr Sun Aug 8 10:36:56 2004 From: dcoun at med.uoc.gr (Dimitris Kounalakis) Date: Sun Aug 8 09:35:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 900nm ? In-Reply-To: <200408071851.i77Ipj2C030517@danae.med.uoc.gr> References: <200408071851.i77Ipj2C030517@danae.med.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <4115F438.203@med.uoc.gr> Hi again, I apologize for the questions but it is the only way to make a plan: 1. I believe that nebulus will continue to use the same mechanics & consoles with ronja. Am I right? 2. The lenses and the twister (for UTP connectivity) will be also the same ? 3. The nebulus projects includes PCBs also? Thank you in advance, Dimitris ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote: >Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:36:43 +0000 >From: Karel Kulhav? >Subject: Re: [Ronja] 900nm ? >To: Twibright Ronja >Message-ID: <20040807183643.GD7926@beton.cybernet.src> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 12:00:14PM +0200, Dimitris Kounalakis wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I noticed in the specifications of BPW43 that there is a 25% increase in >>sensitivity if 900nm is used instead of 625nm. >>The problem is that this is in the infrared spectrum and in order to see >>the "light" you will need a camcorder or something that can see in the >>infrared but probably it worths a try. >>I believe that this change will not change the receiver and you can test >>it with an existing ronja trasmitter in order to be assembled. >>But: >>1. Does the ronja transmitter need any change except the led ? >> >> > >Yes, substantial. Wait a while until Nebulus (and Ronja Inferno, the >infrared Ronja, and Ronja Benchpress with Audiofire and Starquake) will be >released. > > > >>2. Did someone has tried something like that ? if yes, which led was >>used for transmitter? (I have found >>http://www.roithner-laser.com/SHP-LED.html ) >>3. Ronja Nebulus is something like that? if yes, when is it going to be >>finished? >> >> > >Soon - some formal talk about how to put Ronja Inferno and Ronja Benchpress >together and how to use them remains to be written. Also couple of diagrams >etc. must be drawn. The main stuff of guides is already written. > >Cl< > > >>Thank you in advance, >>Dimitris >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Aug 8 10:18:07 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Aug 8 10:18:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <20040808051116.GB180@beton.cybernet.src> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408021800.46347.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040808051116.GB180@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200408081118.07625.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Hm, dobry :) Jakej to ma packetloss? Zadnej? No od pondelka od rana az do soboty do rana se to chovalo nasledovne v noci 0% (prakticky tak 0,01%) a pres den nekdy i 30%. Pravda na jedny strane se jeste netopi a nikde nejsou zatim ksilty. V sobotu v 7:30 to zaclo uhnivat silne, takze se s tim asi hnulo. Az se k tomu dostaneme, musime v holyni utuzit stozar, na kterym to je, dofokusovat stranu na B2 prezamerit (s lepsimi odrazkami, nez jsou vystrazne trojuhelniky) A nejlepsi by bylo LEDky E vymenit za F, nebo lepe G :-), ale ani ty Fka nemame. Jakub From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sun Aug 8 10:24:21 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sun Aug 8 10:25:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyby v navodu In-Reply-To: <20040808052620.GD180@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040808092421.GA10895@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 05:26:20AM +0000, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 02:38:49PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > > Nejspise chyba v navodu na Rx: > > > > Popisky u: > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/receiver_placement.png > > > > nejsou konsistentni s > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png > > > > napr L104 misto L101, C123 jsem ve schematu taky nikde nenasel (ma byt C173 ?). > > Diky, fixed: > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/receiver_placement.png Koukam, ze tam je jeste souvisejici problem: tabulka u Schematic - pokladaci sekvence je asi taky nekonsistentni se schematem. Navic me u ni neni jasno, zda se ma cist nejdrive po radcich a pak po sloupcich, nebo naopak. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Aug 8 10:33:56 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 10:35:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] co koupit v praze Message-ID: <20040808093401Z1302467-29441+36967@mail.centrum.cz> asi v utery pojedu do prahy, tak se chci zeptat jake soucastky si musim koupit tam. (porste ktere dou hodne blbe sehnat a sou jenom tam). a zaroven, kdyby byl nekdo od ostravy, a chtel neco pribrat, tak mu to muzu vzit. (ale este nechci nic slibovat, musim toho za ten den objet vic, takze nevim, jak budu stihat) predevsim jedu pro tistaky na twistra za(tusim) jakubem horkym. -------------------- Kone?n? t? v?d?m barevn?! SAMSUNG X450 ji? od 1577 K?. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/handset.php?lang=cz§ion=&id=87&ii=2 From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 11:03:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 11:03:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Prosba In-Reply-To: <105266.335218-9382-2078637168-1091956616@email.seznam.cz> References: <105266.335218-9382-2078637168-1091956616@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040808100316.GB5696@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 11:16:56AM +0200, Milan Koz?k wrote: > Dobry den, > vim, ze Vam chodi takovych to emailu asi tuny ale byl bych rad, kdyby jste mi mohl poradit. Mam pouze dve otazky: > > 1) Je nekde postup jak zprovoznit ronju twister (napriklad na co jsou ty > prepinace a spol...) na twibright.com jsem to vazne nenasel (vyjma schematu). Twister se zprovozuje az v ramci Ronji Tetrapolis, a to je zde: http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing.php Napsal jsem do Ronja Modules, ze moduly nejsou urcene pro samostatne pouziti: http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php > 2) Na webu jsem nasel vyfoceno nekolik DPS Ronji Twister ktere obsahuji > jakesi premosteni draty ze svabu na svaba (tyka se to myslim U60, U61, U66). > U nekterych je dokonce nezapajena nozicka. Chybi mi nejake informace nebo to > byla napriklad starsi revize DPS? Take jsem cetl, ze na nektery z pinu IO se > ma pripajet kousek dratku do vrchu - je to pravda nebo se jedna o nejakou > kachnu? Jestli myslite tohle: http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/clock/twister/dscn0477.jpg tak to je prototyp. Macrosovy fotky aktualnejsi revize 20040408 jsou tady: http://images.twibright.com/tns/f93.html Aktualni revize je 20040807 a lisi se od 20040408 opravou chyby kterou zrejme mate na mysli: http://images.twibright.com/tns/fc5.html podrobnejsi informace zde: http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php#bugfix Napsal jsem si do TODO listu ze mam fotky prototypu Twistera otagovat komentarema, ze se jedna o prototyp. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 11:06:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 11:07:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 900nm ? In-Reply-To: <4115F438.203@med.uoc.gr> References: <200408071851.i77Ipj2C030517@danae.med.uoc.gr> <4115F438.203@med.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <20040808100659.GD5696@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 11:36:56AM +0200, Dimitris Kounalakis wrote: > Hi again, > I apologize for the questions but it is the only way to make a plan: > 1. I believe that nebulus will continue to use the same mechanics & > consoles with ronja. Am I right? Yes. > 2. The lenses and the twister (for UTP connectivity) will be also the same ? Yes. > 3. The nebulus projects includes PCBs also? No. But I am not against them, it's just for time-saving. The transmitter is not much more complicated than ordinary transmitter, so this is not critical for building. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sun Aug 8 12:05:17 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sun Aug 8 12:05:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <20040807200040.GA8444@beton.cybernet.src> References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040807200040.GA8444@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1091963117.411608ed51cb0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 11:55:21PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > mas tam bf 988 jo? muzes pls neco zkusit? vyndej kondenzator v RX C153, > je > > to 100n u delice u toho fetu. treba ho odpajej ze strany co jde na zem. > me > > tam zlobil a dal jsem i jednu krabicku clockovi at to prozkouma. pokud se > ti > > po odebrani zvedne dosah ses na tom jak ja a aspon bude o to vetsi > potreba > > to odladit. mozna to dela jen tenhle tranzistor. > > Ja jsem tam ale mel taky v nejmin jednom (svym) BF988 ale uz nevim v > kterym. > Lepe odpojit od G2 vse a pak merit napeti proti krabicce. Pokud je tam cokoliv vetsiho nez 0V(+-mV), tak je tranzistor prorazeny. Je taky mozne ze ma tzv. internal bias, ale takovy jsem v obchodech v CR jeste nevidel. From dcoun at med.uoc.gr Sun Aug 8 13:40:33 2004 From: dcoun at med.uoc.gr (Dimitris Kounalakis) Date: Sun Aug 8 12:39:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 900nm ? In-Reply-To: <200408081100.i78B0MGJ010897@danae.med.uoc.gr> References: <200408081100.i78B0MGJ010897@danae.med.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <41161F41.8030301@med.uoc.gr> Thank you for this info. If I understand well, the receiver is the same as in ronja? Only the trasmitter changes? Dimitris >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:06:59 +0000 >From: Karel Kulhav? >Subject: Re: [Ronja] 900nm ? >To: Twibright Ronja >Message-ID: <20040808100659.GD5696@beton.cybernet.src> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 11:36:56AM +0200, Dimitris Kounalakis wrote: > > >>Hi again, >>I apologize for the questions but it is the only way to make a plan: >>1. I believe that nebulus will continue to use the same mechanics & >>consoles with ronja. Am I right? >> >> > >Yes. > > > >>2. The lenses and the twister (for UTP connectivity) will be also the same ? >> >> > >Yes. > > > >>3. The nebulus projects includes PCBs also? >> >> > >No. But I am not against them, it's just for time-saving. The transmitter >is not much more complicated than ordinary transmitter, so this is not >critical for building. > >Cl< > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 12:42:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 12:43:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 900nm ? In-Reply-To: <41161F41.8030301@med.uoc.gr> References: <200408081100.i78B0MGJ010897@danae.med.uoc.gr> <41161F41.8030301@med.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <20040808114224.GB28287@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 02:40:33PM +0200, Dimitris Kounalakis wrote: > Thank you for this info. > If I understand well, the receiver is the same as in ronja? Only the > trasmitter changes? Yes the receiver is the same, you just replace the SFH203 for SFH203F. If you leave SFH203, you don't get optimum performance, but it will work too. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 12:43:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 12:44:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maly dosah na stole In-Reply-To: <1091963117.411608ed51cb0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <001d01c47a6d$bd0b12e0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040807200040.GA8444@beton.cybernet.src> <1091963117.411608ed51cb0@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040808114348.GC28287@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 01:05:17PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 11:55:21PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > > mas tam bf 988 jo? muzes pls neco zkusit? vyndej kondenzator v RX C153, > > je > > > to 100n u delice u toho fetu. treba ho odpajej ze strany co jde na zem. > > me > > > tam zlobil a dal jsem i jednu krabicku clockovi at to prozkouma. pokud se > > ti > > > po odebrani zvedne dosah ses na tom jak ja a aspon bude o to vetsi > > potreba > > > to odladit. mozna to dela jen tenhle tranzistor. > > > > Ja jsem tam ale mel taky v nejmin jednom (svym) BF988 ale uz nevim v > > kterym. > > > Lepe odpojit od G2 vse a pak merit napeti proti krabicce. Pokud je tam cokoliv > vetsiho nez 0V(+-mV), tak je tranzistor prorazeny. Je taky mozne ze ma tzv. > internal bias, ale takovy jsem v obchodech v CR jeste nevidel. Nebo by se mohla odpojit jak G2 tak G1 a u obou zmerit jestli je tam 0V. Nemel bych to napsat do navodu do testovani jako pomoc v nouzi? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 8 18:47:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 18:47:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja deadlinks In-Reply-To: <20040729210736.GA1613@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200407121826.41770.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20040729210736.GA1613@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040808174708.GA8612@beton.cybernet.src> Tomek Koprowski wrote: > > Oh, and in http://ronja.twibright.com/ds.php links to "BPW43 > > from Telefunken Semiconductors (Temic)." and "SFH203..." are 404. Thanks, fixed, with couple of others. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Aug 8 20:48:15 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Aug 8 20:48:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <200408081118.07625.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <20040808051116.GB180@beton.cybernet.src> <200408081118.07625.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Sunday 08 August 2004 11:18, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Hm, dobry :) Jakej to ma packetloss? Zadnej? > > No od pondelka od rana az do soboty do rana se to chovalo nasledovne v noci > 0% (prakticky tak 0,01%) a pres den nekdy i 30%. Pravda na jedny strane se > jeste netopi a nikde nejsou zatim ksilty. V holyni to skutecne uhlo, nevim kdy se nam to podari opravit From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Aug 8 22:22:18 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Aug 8 22:21:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <20040808051116.GB180@beton.cybernet.src> <200408081118.07625.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <7154462815.20040808232218@volny.cz> Jak poznas, ktera strana uhnula? To stale neumim... OndraT JL> On Sunday 08 August 2004 11:18, Jakub Ladman wrote: >> > Hm, dobry :) Jakej to ma packetloss? Zadnej? >> >> No od pondelka od rana az do soboty do rana se to chovalo nasledovne v noci >> 0% (prakticky tak 0,01%) a pres den nekdy i 30%. Pravda na jedny strane se >> jeste netopi a nikde nejsou zatim ksilty. JL> V holyni to skutecne uhlo, nevim kdy se nam to podari opravit JL> _______________________________________________ JL> Ronja mailing list JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Aug 8 22:28:42 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 22:29:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka><20040808051116.GB180@beton.cybernet.src><200408081118.07625.ladmanj@volny.cz><200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz> <7154462815.20040808232218@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000501c47d8e$adec7780$0103450a@thechosen> ping a tcpdump Glo > Jak poznas, ktera strana uhnula? > To stale neumim... > > OndraT > > JL> On Sunday 08 August 2004 11:18, Jakub Ladman wrote: > >> > Hm, dobry :) Jakej to ma packetloss? Zadnej? > >> > >> No od pondelka od rana az do soboty do rana se to chovalo nasledovne v noci > >> 0% (prakticky tak 0,01%) a pres den nekdy i 30%. Pravda na jedny strane se > >> jeste netopi a nikde nejsou zatim ksilty. > > JL> V holyni to skutecne uhlo, nevim kdy se nam to podari opravit > > JL> _______________________________________________ > JL> Ronja mailing list > JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Aug 8 22:39:07 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sun Aug 8 22:40:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka><20040808051116.GB180@beton.cybernet.src><200408081118.07625.ladmanj@volny.cz><200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz><7154462815.20040808232218@volny.cz> <000501c47d8e$adec7780$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <000501c47d90$227397e0$0103450a@thechosen> sorry, matl jsem, tim jen zjistis mrtvej smer, uz ne jestli rx nebo tx onoho smeru Glo > ping a tcpdump > > Glo > > > Jak poznas, ktera strana uhnula? > > To stale neumim... > > > > OndraT > > > > JL> On Sunday 08 August 2004 11:18, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > >> > Hm, dobry :) Jakej to ma packetloss? Zadnej? > > >> > > >> No od pondelka od rana az do soboty do rana se to chovalo nasledovne v > noci > > >> 0% (prakticky tak 0,01%) a pres den nekdy i 30%. Pravda na jedny strane > se > > >> jeste netopi a nikde nejsou zatim ksilty. > > > > JL> V holyni to skutecne uhlo, nevim kdy se nam to podari opravit > > > > JL> _______________________________________________ > > JL> Ronja mailing list > > JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Aug 9 05:05:32 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 05:06:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <20040808051116.GB180@beton.cybernet.src> <200408081118.07625.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4116F80C.30902@sattnet.cz> Jakub Ladman napsal(a): >On Sunday 08 August 2004 11:18, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > >>>Hm, dobry :) Jakej to ma packetloss? Zadnej? >>> >>> >>No od pondelka od rana az do soboty do rana se to chovalo nasledovne v noci >>0% (prakticky tak 0,01%) a pres den nekdy i 30%. Pravda na jedny strane se >>jeste netopi a nikde nejsou zatim ksilty. >> >> > >V holyni to skutecne uhlo, nevim kdy se nam to podari opravit > > > Chci se zeptat - cim jste to zamerovali? 12ti trojuhelniky? Sehnat takovy pocet je nad moje sily :-). Ted budeme zamerovat na 1.15km, bude stacit treba vysrtazny trojuhelnik z auta? -- David Sedláček http://web.wifistar.net ------------- daląí část --------------- HTML p��loha byla odstranďż˝na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040809/f9b89ab6/attachment.htm From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Aug 9 06:38:16 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Aug 9 06:35:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <4116F80C.30902@sattnet.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz> <4116F80C.30902@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <200408090738.16530.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > Chci se zeptat - cim jste to zamerovali? 12ti trojuhelniky? Sehnat > takovy pocet je nad moje sily :-). Ted budeme zamerovat na 1.15km, bude > stacit treba vysrtazny trojuhelnik z auta? Nebude, ma malou plochu a temr nic neodrazi ( ta oranzova plastova folie uprostred neodrazi) Na zamerovani linky 1.3km jsem pouzil 9 trojuhelniku (cervenych na vozik) a bylo to tak akorat. A to byla linka mimo mesto tj temer totalni tma za koncovymi body. Odkud jste? Jeste je mam nachystane, taky budeme jednu linku zamerovat, dalo by se dohodnout na nejake pujce. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Aug 9 06:45:45 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 06:46:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <200408090738.16530.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz> <4116F80C.30902@sattnet.cz> <200408090738.16530.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <41170F89.7000508@sattnet.cz> Petr Zapadlo napsal(a): >>Chci se zeptat - cim jste to zamerovali? 12ti trojuhelniky? Sehnat >>takovy pocet je nad moje sily :-). Ted budeme zamerovat na 1.15km, bude >>stacit treba vysrtazny trojuhelnik z auta? >> >> > >Nebude, ma malou plochu a temr nic neodrazi >( ta oranzova plastova folie uprostred neodrazi) > >Na zamerovani linky 1.3km jsem pouzil 9 trojuhelniku (cervenych na vozik) a >bylo to tak akorat. A to byla linka mimo mesto tj temer totalni tma za >koncovymi body. > >Odkud jste? Jeste je mam nachystane, taky budeme jednu linku zamerovat, dalo >by se dohodnout na nejake pujce. > Ze Zdaru nad Sazavou, coz je pro oba asi dost z ruky :-(. A posilat je postou, no nevim.. ------------- daląí část --------------- HTML příloha byla odstraněna... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040809/22d44053/attachment-0001.htm From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Aug 9 06:55:19 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Aug 9 06:52:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <41170F89.7000508@sattnet.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408090738.16530.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41170F89.7000508@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <200408090755.19533.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > Ze Zdaru nad Sazavou, coz je pro oba asi dost z ruky :-(. A posilat je > postou, no nevim.. Ja je mam pridelane na papirovem kartonu, kdyz nesezenes nic jineho napis, ja to odsroubuju a hodim do relativne male krabicky a poslu. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Aug 9 07:23:42 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 07:24:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka><200408090738.16530.zapadlo@melzer.cz><41170F89.7000508@sattnet.cz> <200408090755.19533.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <001c01c47dd9$6cd3eda0$0103450a@thechosen> Zapik: kde se daj takove odrazky sehnat? da se to nekde koupit? krast z valniku jezedakum s memi nehce :) pripadne jaka je cena jednoho? David Sedlacek: prosim prosim smutne koukam nemuzes to sem posilat jako plaintext? Ondra: jj znamena to nalogovat se na druhou stranu a to nejspis jako root. muzes se domluvit s clovekem na druhe strane. jeden da ping n adruheho a ten pusti tcpdump na prislusnej if. pokud tobe se zda ze to nepinga a on chyta ping a posila arp odezvy kdo je tak ten spoj je v tomhle smeru ok. pak to udelate obrace a je hned jasnejsi co uhnilo. pokud tam mas klasicke diody tak to zkontrolujes i ocima. kdyz tam mas infra tak ses riti :( jako ja. ta prvni ronja nam uhla jednou rourou. myslel sem ze ji vypalilo slunce ale uhla. takze nas ceka zamerovani. kamos na roury dal meke vingly, z plechu a ty se kroutej jak svite :/ na dalisi sme dal valene elko 50*30*4 a to to se zatim zda ze po nom muzou behat sloni Glo -------- > Ze Zdaru nad Sazavou, coz je pro oba asi dost z ruky :-(. A posilat je > postou, no nevim.. Ja je mam pridelane na papirovem kartonu, kdyz nesezenes nic jineho napis, ja to odsroubuju a hodim do relativne male krabicky a poslu. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Aug 9 07:38:47 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 07:39:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <001c01c47dd9$6cd3eda0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka><200408090738.16530.zapadlo@melzer.cz><41170F89.7000508@sattnet.cz> <200408090755.19533.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <001c01c47dd9$6cd3eda0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <41171BF7.1060004@sattnet.cz> Jakeho mas klienta? Resp. co se ti nezobrazuje korektne? Mam Mozillu a i kdyz se na to divam jako plaintext, tak je vse OK. V html se odesila max. na cara vlevo :-). Tahle zprava uz jsou jen cisty informace ;-). Michal Mal??ek napsal(a): >David Sedlacek: prosim prosim smutne koukam nemuzes to sem posilat jako >plaintext? > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Aug 9 08:11:16 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Aug 9 08:08:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <001c01c47dd9$6cd3eda0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408090755.19533.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <001c01c47dd9$6cd3eda0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200408090911.16454.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne po 9. srpna 2004 08:23 Michal Mal??ek napsal(a): > Zapik: kde se daj takove odrazky sehnat? da se to nekde koupit? krast z > valniku jezedakum s memi nehce :) pripadne jaka je cena jednoho? Prodavaji to v temer kazde "mototechne". Prodavaji s ve dvojim provedeni: se zalisovanym sroubem cca 25kc za kus s dirama pro srouby cca 20kc za kus. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 9 08:09:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 08:09:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <200408090911.16454.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408090755.19533.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <001c01c47dd9$6cd3eda0$0103450a@thechosen> <200408090911.16454.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040809070909.GA6627@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 09:11:16AM +0200, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Dne po 9. srpna 2004 08:23 Michal Mal??ek napsal(a): > > Zapik: kde se daj takove odrazky sehnat? da se to nekde koupit? krast z > > valniku jezedakum s memi nehce :) pripadne jaka je cena jednoho? > > > Prodavaji to v temer kazde "mototechne". Prodavaji s ve dvojim provedeni: Neplest s nodem mototechna ;-) > se zalisovanym sroubem cca 25kc za kus > s dirama pro srouby cca 20kc za kus. Jo muzu potvrdit, taky jsem je tak sehnal. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 9 09:35:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 09:35:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus is ready for release Message-ID: <20040809083508.GA6842@beton.cybernet.src> Ronja Nebulus has been prepared for release. It is an infrared transmitter and more accessories, that had to be developed together with Nebulus as a byproduct. Infrared Ronja is called Inferno and building, aiming etc. guides are also part of the stuff to release. For detailed information see http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php The price is 25,709.57 CZK and at the moment there are unassigned contributions amounting to 13,887.30 CZK, so that only 11,872.27 CZK remains. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 9 09:36:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 09:36:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nebulus je =?iso-8859-2?q?p=F8ipraven_k_uvoln=ECn=ED?= Message-ID: <20040809083602.GB6842@beton.cybernet.src> K uvoln?n? byl p?ipraven Ronja Nebulus. Jedn? se o infra?erven? vys?la? a dal?? p??slu?enstv?, kter? musely b?t vyvinuty spolu s n?m jako vedlej?? produkt. Infra?erven? Ronja m? n?zev Inferno a n?vod na stavbu, zam??ov?n? a pod. je takt?? sou??st? v??e uveden?ho. Podrobn?j?? informace najdete na http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php Cena je 25,709.57 Kc a moment?ln? je nep?i?azeno 13,887.30 K?, tak?e zb?v? 11,872.27 K?. Cl< From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Mon Aug 9 10:41:43 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Mon Aug 9 10:42:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] stinici boxy Message-ID: <20040809093955.M17734@kihu.info> Dobr? den. Cht?l bych upozornit na moznost objednat stinici boxy pro Twistera. Cena je 80 kc s DPH/kus. V pripade zajmu piste ROOTen From kneza at poupe.net Mon Aug 9 10:43:52 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Mon Aug 9 10:44:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] stinici boxy In-Reply-To: <20040809093955.M17734@kihu.info> References: <20040809093955.M17734@kihu.info> Message-ID: <41174758.8070901@poupe.net> Muzete zaslat podrobnejsi info a fotky? Kneza petr.dvorak wrote: > Dobr? den. Cht?l bych upozornit na moznost objednat stinici boxy pro Twistera. > Cena je 80 kc s DPH/kus. V pripade zajmu piste > > ROOTen > From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 9 10:52:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 10:53:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Preklad Twister In-Reply-To: <20040809084053.M16273@kihu.info> References: <20040809084053.M16273@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040809095243.GA6962@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 10:47:57AM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > Ty pocinovane krabicky sem jiz dal na Twiki a jeste to napisu do mailing > listu. Jeste me napadla jedna vec-stavebnice Ronja Twister, ktera by > obsahovala PCB, vsechny soucastky, krabicku a dalsi veci, proste ze by > uzivatel potreboval jenom pajku a zakladni vybaveni. Myslite, ze by to bylo > vhodne? Neni to nejake poruseni GNU/GPL? Diky Jestli by to bylo delany podle navodu tak bez problemu. Kdyby jste tam delali nejaky odchylky tak klidne taky, ale bylo by dobre k tomu verejne publikovat ty planky na ty odchylne veci. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 9 10:54:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 10:55:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] stinici boxy In-Reply-To: <41174758.8070901@poupe.net> References: <20040809093955.M17734@kihu.info> <41174758.8070901@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040809095447.GC6962@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 11:43:52AM +0200, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > Muzete zaslat podrobnejsi info a fotky? Je to ta firma schopna delat i s danyma dirama a ohnutyma okrajema? Nebo tam budou nejake zmeny? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 9 11:17:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 11:17:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Preklad Twister In-Reply-To: <20040809095753.M53458@kihu.info> References: <20040809084053.M16273@kihu.info> <20040809095243.GA6962@beton.cybernet.src> <20040809095753.M53458@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040809101711.GA7203@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > Jestli by to bylo delany podle navodu tak bez problemu. > > > > Kdyby jste tam delali nejaky odchylky tak klidne taky, ale bylo by dobre > > k tomu verejne publikovat ty planky na ty odchylne veci. > > > > Cl< > > Bylo by to delany uplne standartne podle Tveho navodu. Takze myslis, ze je to > dobrej napad? Jo rozhodne. Nez aby lidi schaneli soucastky po jednom Twisteru a cekali v GM az jim to tam za hodinu zoufali zamestnanci po jednom odporu nasypou, tak je lepsi kdyz se to nakoupi naraz a masove rozpytlikuje a prida i krabicka a tistak, takze BFU (bezny finalni uzivatel ;-) ) jen sletuje dohromady, sesroubuje a ma to. Jeste by k tomu mohl byt vytisteny navod na Twistera a osazovaci planky. Cl< From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Mon Aug 9 12:46:07 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Mon Aug 9 12:46:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction Message-ID: Hello! 1. to Siegfried: he asked why I do not use IR TX? Because I really like the red light :)) In fact I am using both, red and IR, also experimenting on wavelength diversity influence on reliability in all weather conditions. 2. to Gullik: I cut the dome with a sharp knife, it is quite good, nice flat surface, and led chip stayed about 1 mm under epoxy... I will prepare some photos when I find spare time. In fact I havent got divergency down, btu just smaller light source (more like point source) that is why I got lower intensity not higher! Why? Because glass lens in distance gives image of led chip together with image of led dome. It is generally focused the best it could be but light from the led dome consist of led chip light and light from led reflector which is around led chip (see lumileds papers). All this makes that hpwt led cannot be considered as a point source. If you got rid of the dome, which I did by removing it completely and in second try by narrowing dome diameter, you can focus tx lens on small led chip which is smaller than 1 mm, and led dome is 3 mm. Also when you cut of the dome you put shield on led so the light from reflector which is around led chip in led diode cannot be collected by tx lens. Then you got rid of the light of led reflector and stays only light of led chip. that is why intensity is lower. But, I suspect that image of led chip focused in distance is not much lower intensity compared to ordinary led. And you dont have any more that outer rim around image of led chip (see Clocks aiming magic) you have only dot (image) of led chip. Conclusion: in fact in this way we do not reduce the divergence, divergence stays same, but we reduce the size of the light source, so the image of source is smaller and we get a smaller dot (two to three times smaller ) when focused properly. OK, now tell me what you think. Silvije www.silvije.tk From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Mon Aug 9 13:51:13 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Mon Aug 9 13:51:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: boxy Message-ID: <20040809124124.M3520@kihu.info> >from[Kneza]: > Muzete zaslat podrobnejsi info a fotky? Zatim nemohu, protoze sam zadny box nemam, ale boxy jsou zadane presne podle Clockova navodu. >from[Clock]: > Jo rozhodne. Nez aby lidi schaneli soucastky po jednom Twisteru a > cekali v GM az jim to tam za hodinu zoufali zamestnanci po jednom > odporu nasypou, tak je lepsi kdyz se to nakoupi naraz a masove > rozpytlikuje a prida i krabicka a tistak, takze BFU (bezny finalni > uzivatel ;-) ) jen sletuje dohromady, sesroubuje a ma to. Jeste by k > tomu mohl byt vytisteny navod na Twistera a osazovaci planky. > > Cl< Jeste potrebuju poradit, jestli na to budu potrebovat zivnostak, nebo neco takovyho. Jo a chtel bych k tomu dat komplet aktualni verzi Twibright.com na CD, bylo by to mozny? From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 9 14:20:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 14:21:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: boxy In-Reply-To: <20040809124124.M3520@kihu.info> References: <20040809124124.M3520@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040809132034.GA27369@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 02:51:13PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > >from[Kneza]: > > Muzete zaslat podrobnejsi info a fotky? > > Zatim nemohu, protoze sam zadny box nemam, ale boxy jsou zadane presne podle > Clockova navodu. > > > >from[Clock]: > > Jo rozhodne. Nez aby lidi schaneli soucastky po jednom Twisteru a > > cekali v GM az jim to tam za hodinu zoufali zamestnanci po jednom > > odporu nasypou, tak je lepsi kdyz se to nakoupi naraz a masove > > rozpytlikuje a prida i krabicka a tistak, takze BFU (bezny finalni > > uzivatel ;-) ) jen sletuje dohromady, sesroubuje a ma to. Jeste by k > > tomu mohl byt vytisteny navod na Twistera a osazovaci planky. > > > > Cl< > > Jeste potrebuju poradit, jestli na to budu potrebovat zivnostak, nebo neco > takovyho. Jo tak s takovouhle byrokracii neporadim :( > Jo a chtel bych k tomu dat komplet aktualni verzi Twibright.com na CD, bylo by > to mozny? No je, ale musis si to sam postahovat pomoci wgetu. A ty fotogalerky se ti tam nevejdou - maj pres 1GB, takze to budes muset nejak probrat. Cl< From klapek at kki.net.pl Mon Aug 9 14:38:06 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Mon Aug 9 14:35:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] U-AH-102 box Message-ID: <200408091538.06076.klapek@kki.net.pl> Hello, The (unofficial) PCBs by Karl Jan were designed to fit into U-AH-102 boxes. Could anyone point me to the manufacturer of those? (a retailer in Poland would be even better ;) Regards, Tomek Koprowski From kuna at alphanet.sk Mon Aug 9 14:38:00 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Mon Aug 9 14:38:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja 1O.2 - 12 Gh Message-ID: <001901c35e82$d159f980$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> postavil som ronju aui a po vlastnych upravach som ju vyskusal a pouzil v 10.2Gh pasme .spoj mi ide na cca 5km s parabolami o priemere 60cm.Kto by mal zaujem o blizsie informacie nech napise . kuna@alphanet.sk ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040809/89b4351c/attachment.htm From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Aug 9 14:42:04 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Aug 9 14:42:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <7154462815.20040808232218@volny.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz> <7154462815.20040808232218@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200408091542.04635.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Sunday 08 August 2004 23:22, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Jak poznas, ktera strana uhnula? > To stale neumim... Tady podle toho, ze pouhym okem, lze zjistit, ze maximum je 4m vedle :-( Jakub From KarlikV at seznam.cz Mon Aug 9 17:35:11 2004 From: KarlikV at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel=20Vom=E1=E8ka?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 17:35:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AM26LS31 vs SN75172 Message-ID: <24790.99697-15553-1134877967-1092069311@email.seznam.cz> Nemate nekdo zkusenosti jak nahradit ve twisterovi neustale nedostupny obvod AM26LS31? Nasel jsem ekvivalent SN75172, je plne nahrazujici, jen ze snad ma navic proudovou a tepelnou ochranu, je nekdo kdo uz to s timhle obvodem zkousel, ja ze me to nechodi, LEDky na twistru blikaj jak vo zivot, ale dal si uz nic netece. V tomhle mam nejistotu, co poradi Clock? ____________________________________________________________ Zbavte se zdarma svoj? star?! www.BILEZBOZI.cz V srpnu odvoz star?ch ledni?ek ZDARMA. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76187 From mixaj at mymail.cz Mon Aug 9 17:36:00 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Mon Aug 9 17:39:53 2004 Subject: [Spam] [Ronja] ronja 1O.2 - 12 Gh References: <001901c35e82$d159f980$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <002101c47e2f$71c1de70$fe29a8c0@diablo> Pardon. Stavel jsi RONJU, nebo WIFI na 10.2GHZ?????? ----- Original Message ----- From: miro To: Ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: [Spam] [Ronja] ronja 1O.2 - 12 Gh postavil som ronju aui a po vlastnych upravach som ju vyskusal a pouzil v 10.2Gh pasme .spoj mi ide na cca 5km s parabolami o priemere 60cm.Kto by mal zaujem o blizsie informacie nech napise . kuna@alphanet.sk __________ Informace od NOD32 1.835 (20040806) __________ Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. http://www.nod32.cz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja __________ Informace od NOD32 1.835 (20040806) __________ Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. http://www.nod32.cz ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040809/f0092b12/attachment.htm From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Aug 9 19:40:14 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Aug 9 19:40:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz><4116F80C.30902@sattnet.cz> <200408090738.16530.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41170F89.7000508@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <004c01c47e40$4f6bfb60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Cece, az to budes mit, prijel bych se mrknout, jsem z Tisnova. Dej vedet :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedl??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! > > > Ze Zdaru nad Sazavou, coz je pro oba asi dost z ruky :-(. A posilat je > postou, no nevim.. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Mon Aug 9 19:56:34 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?us-ascii?Q?Gullik_Webjorn?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 19:55:34 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Silvije, Ah, a good explanation of your experimenting... I do agree with you, in that some light reflected of the back does not add to the total flux. The very interesting fact here is probably if you can get the size of the chip die image down. I found I could use some SMT leds, and even thought those had a lower light output, the resulting image had as good or better power density. Since the receiver only sees a small fraction of the projected image, this seems a good way to go. The minus in this case is that aiming is harder, the plus is once the link is aligned, you dont disturb your neighbors as much... I tested a little with Firecomms RC-led, this one gives a pretty nice image since its design optically is similar to HPWT or some STD leds, but it is one fifth the size, since it is designed to couple int a PMMA fiber, so the dome is less than one mm. The result is seen in the projected spot.. Also it?s Faaasst....oVo Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For Silvije Skickat: den 9 augusti 2004 13:46 Till: ronja@lists.pointless.net Amne: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction Hello! 1. to Siegfried: he asked why I do not use IR TX? Because I really like the red light :)) In fact I am using both, red and IR, also experimenting on wavelength diversity influence on reliability in all weather conditions. 2. to Gullik: I cut the dome with a sharp knife, it is quite good, nice flat surface, and led chip stayed about 1 mm under epoxy... I will prepare some photos when I find spare time. In fact I havent got divergency down, btu just smaller light source (more like point source) that is why I got lower intensity not higher! Why? Because glass lens in distance gives image of led chip together with image of led dome. It is generally focused the best it could be but light from the led dome consist of led chip light and light from led reflector which is around led chip (see lumileds papers). All this makes that hpwt led cannot be considered as a point source. If you got rid of the dome, which I did by removing it completely and in second try by narrowing dome diameter, you can focus tx lens on small led chip which is smaller than 1 mm, and led dome is 3 mm. Also when you cut of the dome you put shield on led so the light from reflector which is around led chip in led diode cannot be collected by tx lens. Then you got rid of the light of led reflector and stays only light of led chip. that is why intensity is lower. But, I suspect that image of led chip focused in distance is not much lower intensity compared to ordinary led. And you dont have any more that outer rim around image of led chip (see Clocks aiming magic) you have only dot (image) of led chip. Conclusion: in fact in this way we do not reduce the divergence, divergence stays same, but we reduce the size of the light source, so the image of source is smaller and we get a smaller dot (two to three times smaller ) when focused properly. OK, now tell me what you think. Silvije www.silvije.tk _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Aug 9 20:17:09 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 20:18:40 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction Message-ID: <20040809191724Z1308624-29442+67288@mail.centrum.cz> co rikate? ja vam nerozumim:( , ale to "Hi Silvije, Ah, a good explanation of your experimenting..." zni pozitivne :) nebo ani to ne? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Gullik Webjorn" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:56:34 +0200 > P?edm?t: SV: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction > > Hi Silvije, > > Ah, a good explanation of your experimenting... > > I do agree with you, in that some light reflected of the back does > not add to the total flux. The very interesting fact here is probably > if you can get the size of the chip die image down. I found I could > use some SMT leds, and even thought those had a lower light output, > the resulting image had as good or better power density. > > Since the receiver only sees a small fraction of the projected image, > this seems a good way to go. > > The minus in this case is that aiming is harder, the plus is once > the link is aligned, you dont disturb your neighbors as much... > > I tested a little with Firecomms RC-led, this one gives a pretty > nice image since its design optically is similar to HPWT or some > STD leds, but it is one fifth the size, since it is designed to > couple int a PMMA fiber, so the dome is less than one mm. > The result is seen in the projected spot.. > > Also it?s Faaasst....oVo > > Gullik > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For > Silvije > Skickat: den 9 augusti 2004 13:46 > Till: ronja@lists.pointless.net > Amne: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction > > > > Hello! > > 1. to Siegfried: he asked why I do not use IR TX? > > Because I really like the red light :)) In fact I am using both, red > and IR, also experimenting on wavelength diversity influence on > reliability in all weather conditions. > > 2. to Gullik: > > I cut the dome with a sharp knife, it is quite good, nice flat surface, > and led chip stayed about 1 mm under epoxy... I will prepare some photos > when I find spare time. > > In fact I havent got divergency down, btu just smaller light source > (more like point source) that is why I got lower intensity not higher! > Why? Because glass lens in distance gives image of led chip together with > image of led dome. It is generally focused the best it could be but light > from the led dome consist of led chip light and light from led reflector > which is around led chip (see lumileds papers). All this makes that hpwt > led cannot be considered as a point source. > > If you got rid of the dome, which I did by removing it completely and in > second try by > narrowing dome diameter, you can focus tx lens on small led chip which is > smaller than 1 mm, and led dome is 3 mm. Also when you cut of the dome you > put shield on led so the light from reflector which is around led chip in > led diode cannot be collected by tx lens. Then you got rid of the light of > led reflector and stays only light of led chip. that is why intensity is > lower. But, I suspect that image of led chip focused in distance is not > much lower intensity compared to ordinary led. And you dont have any more > that outer rim around image of led chip (see Clocks aiming magic) you have > only dot (image) of led chip. > > Conclusion: in fact in this way we do not reduce the divergence, > divergence stays same, but we reduce the size of the light source, so the > image of source is smaller and we get a smaller dot (two to three times > smaller ) when focused properly. > > OK, now tell me what you think. > > Silvije > www.silvije.tk > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- 20 fotek za 1 K?? Jen s ak?n?m bal??kem GTS ADSL FOTO vysokorychlostn? internet a modem za 1 K?. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.gtsdoma.cz From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Aug 9 20:43:28 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 20:44:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] luxeon v TX Message-ID: <000701c47e49$24e2eb20$0103450a@thechosen> dneska jsem koupil luxeon na testy. asi za 400 cervenej s optikou, vyzarovani uhel 10stupnu. svitovost s optikou ma obrovskou ale ukazalo se to jako nepouzitelne. asi nejvic co vadi ze ta optika je na prd. je to reflektorek s lupou. bohuzel to nejak rohodi paprsky takze dalsi lupa v tx hlavici to nedokze poradne zamerit do mensiho bodu jako s ledkou. kdzy vyndam optiku tak to ma uhel asi 110 :/ coz je moc a lupa pobere jen malo svetla z nej. data to neslo ale u RX se snizila citlivost z asi 64mV na 160mV.budil sme to tranzistorem. je to asi tim ze je luxeon pomalejsi. zrychleni a mensi prah sem dostal predpetim na nem takze nesel od nuly. stejen tak sme priotevrel ten tranziostor. pak hranice padla asi na 110mV :/ bez dalsi lupy jen stou optikou z kramu se to linklo ais na 5m mozna 6. byt tam lepsi optika je to super, takhle je to nepouzitelne. pisu to sme jen tak. treba to ekomu usetri 4 kila :/ kua, vyhozeny prachy Glo From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Aug 9 20:47:55 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 20:48:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] luxeon v TX References: <000701c47e49$24e2eb20$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <000501c47e49$c43645a0$0103450a@thechosen> jo, kdyby ho nekdo chtel na testovani, treba ho neco napadne, treba to usmernit nejdriv malou lupou s malym ohniskem, muzu ho prenechat treba za tri kila :) Glo > dneska jsem koupil luxeon na testy. asi za 400 cervenej s optikou, > vyzarovani uhel 10stupnu. svitovost s optikou ma obrovskou ale ukazalo se to > jako nepouzitelne. asi nejvic co vadi ze ta optika je na prd. je to > reflektorek s lupou. bohuzel to nejak rohodi paprsky takze dalsi lupa v tx > hlavici to nedokze poradne zamerit do mensiho bodu jako s ledkou. kdzy > vyndam optiku tak to ma uhel asi 110 :/ coz je moc a lupa pobere jen malo > svetla z nej. data to neslo ale u RX se snizila citlivost z asi 64mV na > 160mV.budil sme to tranzistorem. je to asi tim ze je luxeon pomalejsi. > zrychleni a mensi prah sem dostal predpetim na nem takze nesel od nuly. > stejen tak sme priotevrel ten tranziostor. pak hranice padla asi na 110mV :/ > bez dalsi lupy jen stou optikou z kramu se to linklo ais na 5m mozna 6. byt > tam lepsi optika je to super, takhle je to nepouzitelne. > > pisu to sme jen tak. treba to ekomu usetri 4 kila :/ kua, vyhozeny prachy > > Glo From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Aug 9 21:14:28 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 21:15:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <004c01c47e40$4f6bfb60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz><4116F80C.30902@sattnet.cz> <200408090738.16530.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41170F89.7000508@sattnet.cz> <004c01c47e40$4f6bfb60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <4117DB24.4080905@sattnet.cz> Hehe, budete si prat i pruvodce? :-D Ne bezproblemu, az to bude, napisu. Ale radsi se ozvi tak za tyden, dva. Cipis napsal(a): >Cece, az to budes mit, prijel bych se mrknout, jsem z Tisnova. >Dej vedet :-) > >Cipis > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Sedl??ek" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:45 AM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! > > > > >>Ze Zdaru nad Sazavou, coz je pro oba asi dost z ruky :-(. A posilat je >>postou, no nevim.. >> >> >> > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Aug 9 21:24:48 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 9 21:25:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja 1O.2 - 12 Gh In-Reply-To: <001901c35e82$d159f980$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> References: <001901c35e82$d159f980$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <4117DD90.7060504@sattnet.cz> WOW, nemas nejaky navod? miro napsal(a): > postavil som ronju aui a po vlastnych upravach som ju vyskusal a > pouzil v 10.2Gh > pasme .spoj mi ide na cca 5km s parabolami o priemere 60cm.Kto by mal > zaujem o blizsie informacie nech napise . > kuna@alphanet.sk > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From kneza at poupe.net Mon Aug 9 22:32:34 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Mon Aug 9 22:33:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI Message-ID: <4117ED72.9060109@poupe.net> Ahoj, nestalo se Vam nekomu, ze by v RX vsechny merici body sedeli, jen RSSI ma stale pres 5V a nereaguje na svetlo? :-) Nejaky napad? Kneza From kuna at alphanet.sk Tue Aug 10 07:23:02 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Tue Aug 10 07:23:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro viac infa o 10,2Gh Message-ID: <007e01c35f0f$36ec2660$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> Aui forte som vlozil do satelitu.Vystup s BB som spojil s RX na vstup do satelitu som pouzil klasicky konvertor pre pasmo 10,7-12,7Gh akurat oscilator v konvertore som preladil tak aby zosiloval pasmo od 10,2 Gh.Vysielac som si dal urobit a pripojil som ho na TX . Konvertory som vlozil do parabol o priemere 60cm na satelite som naladil vysielaciu frekvenciu. kazdy konvertor je umiestneny zvlast v parabole cize kazdy sat musi mat TX a RX osve umiestneny v parabole.nemal som vela casu zaoberat sa s tym podrobnejsie ale viem ze vysielac ma jednu necnost a tou je zavyslost od teploty .vyroba vysielaca ma vysla cca 4000 za kus primac som kupil za cca 400korun plus sat 1500 . vsetko ma to vyslo asi na 20000 co je zanedbatelna suma oproti profi zariadeniam toho isteho druhu ktore sa pohibuju v statisicoch korun ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040810/fc927506/attachment.htm From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Tue Aug 10 08:40:36 2004 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Tue Aug 10 08:41:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction Message-ID: Dobry den! I am sorry if you do not understand English, but I cannot write in Czech because I just understand some of your language but am unable to use it in writing. We were talking about TX head for RONJA and how to make it better. In Croatian: Govorili smo o RONJA TX glavi i o tome kako je poboljsati. Silvije www.silvije.tk ps. it would be nice if Clock would use his Bench something to make this experiment and determine if the hpwt with no dome is as good as one with dome. From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Tue Aug 10 15:09:37 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Tue Aug 10 15:10:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] debug PCB twister Message-ID: <20040810140654.M48379@kihu.info> Zdar. Ten debug, co se objevil na netu, mam tomu rozumet tak, ze mam spojit ten konec kondiku s +12V? a jeste,pokud by mel nekdo zajem o stavebnici Ronjy Twistera, tak se mrknete na www.ronja-twister.tk ROOTen From remet at remet.cz Tue Aug 10 15:57:14 2004 From: remet at remet.cz (REMET) Date: Tue Aug 10 15:51:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] debug PCB twister References: <20040810140654.M48379@kihu.info> Message-ID: <003d01c47eea$5288f190$01fda8c0@anezka> spoj to s +5V > Zdar. Ten debug, co se objevil na netu, mam tomu rozumet tak, ze mam spojit > ten konec kondiku s +12V? > > a jeste,pokud by mel nekdo zajem o stavebnici Ronjy Twistera, tak se mrknete > na www.ronja-twister.tk > > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Aug 10 16:09:04 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Tue Aug 10 16:10:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] debug PCB twister References: <20040810140654.M48379@kihu.info> <003d01c47eea$5288f190$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <000501c47eeb$f9d337c0$0103450a@thechosen> a nebo to nespojuj s nicim, je to zbytecne. funguje to i tak, proc by taky nemelo, tech filtracnich kondiku na logiku tam je mraky. kdyz uz to s necim spojovat tak to spoj aspon s +5 nebo co tam chybi ale primo na ten io u ktereho to je. jinak to nema valneho smyslu. Glo > spoj to s +5V > > > > Zdar. Ten debug, co se objevil na netu, mam tomu rozumet tak, ze mam > spojit > > ten konec kondiku s +12V? > > > > a jeste,pokud by mel nekdo zajem o stavebnici Ronjy Twistera, tak se > mrknete > > na www.ronja-twister.tk > > > > ROOTen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Aug 10 18:17:42 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Aug 10 18:18:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <4117ED72.9060109@poupe.net> References: <4117ED72.9060109@poupe.net> Message-ID: <1092158262.4119033633202@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Co je to za konstrukci? Neni to nahodou na starsim plosnaku od Skontorpa? > Ahoj, > nestalo se Vam nekomu, ze by v RX vsechny merici body sedeli, jen RSSI > ma stale pres 5V a nereaguje na svetlo? :-) > Nejaky napad? > Kneza > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kneza at poupe.net Tue Aug 10 18:19:23 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Tue Aug 10 18:20:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <1092158262.4119033633202@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <4117ED72.9060109@poupe.net> <1092158262.4119033633202@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <4119039B.5080903@poupe.net> je to normalne hnizdo. Kneza Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Co je to za konstrukci? Neni to nahodou na starsim plosnaku od Skontorpa? > > >>Ahoj, >>nestalo se Vam nekomu, ze by v RX vsechny merici body sedeli, jen RSSI >>ma stale pres 5V a nereaguje na svetlo? :-) >>Nejaky napad? >>Kneza >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Tue Aug 10 19:07:06 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Gullik_Webj=F6rn?=) Date: Tue Aug 10 19:05:57 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction In-Reply-To: <20040809191724Z1308624-29442+67288@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: Sorry, did i offend someone?? Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r Jakub Michn?k" Skickat: den 9 augusti 2004 21:17 Till: ronja@lists.pointless.net ?mne: Re: SV: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction co rikate? ja vam nerozumim:( , ale to "Hi Silvije, Ah, a good explanation of your experimenting..." zni pozitivne :) nebo ani to ne? ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Gullik Webjorn" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:56:34 +0200 > P?edm?t: SV: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction > > Hi Silvije, > > Ah, a good explanation of your experimenting... > > I do agree with you, in that some light reflected of the back does > not add to the total flux. The very interesting fact here is probably > if you can get the size of the chip die image down. I found I could > use some SMT leds, and even thought those had a lower light output, > the resulting image had as good or better power density. > > Since the receiver only sees a small fraction of the projected image, > this seems a good way to go. > > The minus in this case is that aiming is harder, the plus is once > the link is aligned, you dont disturb your neighbors as much... > > I tested a little with Firecomms RC-led, this one gives a pretty > nice image since its design optically is similar to HPWT or some > STD leds, but it is one fifth the size, since it is designed to > couple int a PMMA fiber, so the dome is less than one mm. > The result is seen in the projected spot.. > > Also it?s Faaasst....oVo > > Gullik > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For > Silvije > Skickat: den 9 augusti 2004 13:46 > Till: ronja@lists.pointless.net > Amne: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction > > > > Hello! > > 1. to Siegfried: he asked why I do not use IR TX? > > Because I really like the red light :)) In fact I am using both, red > and IR, also experimenting on wavelength diversity influence on > reliability in all weather conditions. > > 2. to Gullik: > > I cut the dome with a sharp knife, it is quite good, nice flat surface, > and led chip stayed about 1 mm under epoxy... I will prepare some photos > when I find spare time. > > In fact I havent got divergency down, btu just smaller light source > (more like point source) that is why I got lower intensity not higher! > Why? Because glass lens in distance gives image of led chip together with > image of led dome. It is generally focused the best it could be but light > from the led dome consist of led chip light and light from led reflector > which is around led chip (see lumileds papers). All this makes that hpwt > led cannot be considered as a point source. > > If you got rid of the dome, which I did by removing it completely and in > second try by > narrowing dome diameter, you can focus tx lens on small led chip which is > smaller than 1 mm, and led dome is 3 mm. Also when you cut of the dome you > put shield on led so the light from reflector which is around led chip in > led diode cannot be collected by tx lens. Then you got rid of the light of > led reflector and stays only light of led chip. that is why intensity is > lower. But, I suspect that image of led chip focused in distance is not > much lower intensity compared to ordinary led. And you dont have any more > that outer rim around image of led chip (see Clocks aiming magic) you have > only dot (image) of led chip. > > Conclusion: in fact in this way we do not reduce the divergence, > divergence stays same, but we reduce the size of the light source, so the > image of source is smaller and we get a smaller dot (two to three times > smaller ) when focused properly. > > OK, now tell me what you think. > > Silvije > www.silvije.tk > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- 20 fotek za 1 K?? Jen s ak?n?m bal??kem GTS ADSL FOTO vysokorychlostn? internet a modem za 1 K?. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.gtsdoma.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Aug 10 19:04:57 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Aug 10 19:06:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI Message-ID: <20040810180505Z1305081-29443+92233@mail.centrum.cz> mi se stalo ze vsechno sedelo, ledky blikaly(ale data nesly), a rssi bylo furt na 0V ... pak sem to dal seligrovi a rikal ze sem tam mel otocene diody (jak mohly vubec blikat ledky pri otoc. diodach?)... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:32:34 +0200 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] RSSI > > Ahoj, > nestalo se Vam nekomu, ze by v RX vsechny merici body sedeli, jen RSSI > ma stale pres 5V a nereaguje na svetlo? :-) > Nejaky napad? > Kneza > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- P?ipravte se! Je tu ?kola. Nav?tivte v?as Pal?c Fl?ra. Od 20.srpna do 5.z??? prob?h? v Pal?ci Fl?ra speci?ln? trh ?koln?ch pot?eb. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.palacflora.com From KarlikV at seznam.cz Tue Aug 10 19:57:53 2004 From: KarlikV at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel=20Vom=E1=E8ka?=) Date: Tue Aug 10 19:58:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister nejede:lze nahradit AM26LS31 obvodem SN75172 ??? Message-ID: <81753.846161-15550-1149873600-1092164273@email.seznam.cz> Nemate nekdo zkusenosti jak nahradit ve twisterovi neustale nedostupny obvod AM26LS31? Nasel jsem ekvivalent SN75172, je plne nahrazujici, jen ze snad ma navic proudovou a tepelnou ochranu, je nekdo kdo uz to s timhle obvodem zkousel, ja ze me to nechodi, LEDky na twistru blikaj jak vo zivot, ale dal si uz nic netece. V tomhle mam nejistotu, co poradi Clock? ____________________________________________________________ P??jemn? design. P??jemn?j?? cena. NOKIA 2300 ji? od 577 K? http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76255 From korda.m at seznam.cz Tue Aug 10 21:26:45 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Tue Aug 10 21:27:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] debug PCB twister References: <20040810140654.M48379@kihu.info> <003d01c47eea$5288f190$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <011601c47f18$5c2d1ea0$02086b0a@atintel> Ja bych mel zajem o dve krabicky za tech 80Kc. Nechces na sebe nechat e-mail? ----- Original Message ----- From: "REMET" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] debug PCB twister > spoj to s +5V > > > > Zdar. Ten debug, co se objevil na netu, mam tomu rozumet tak, ze mam > spojit > > ten konec kondiku s +12V? > > > > a jeste,pokud by mel nekdo zajem o stavebnici Ronjy Twistera, tak se > mrknete > > na www.ronja-twister.tk > > > > ROOTen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Aug 10 22:44:46 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Tue Aug 10 22:45:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister nejede:lze nahradit AM26LS31 obvodem SN75172 ??? In-Reply-To: <81753.846161-15550-1149873600-1092164273@email.seznam.cz> References: <81753.846161-15550-1149873600-1092164273@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <411941CE.70006@sattnet.cz> Karel Vom??ka napsal(a): >Nemate nekdo zkusenosti jak nahradit ve twisterovi neustale nedostupny obvod AM26LS31? > > Pokud je potrebujes, ozvi se ;-). >Nasel jsem ekvivalent SN75172, je plne nahrazujici, >jen ze snad ma navic proudovou a tepelnou ochranu, >je nekdo kdo uz to s timhle obvodem zkousel, ja ze me to nechodi, > LEDky na twistru blikaj jak vo zivot, ale dal si uz nic netece. >V tomhle mam nejistotu, co poradi Clock? > - Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From steebe at seznam.cz Wed Aug 11 00:53:08 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Wed Aug 11 00:53:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka Message-ID: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> Tak tu zase pisu nejaky postreh ze zamerovani :) O co jsme se obohatili :) Mno TXko se ladi krasne na odrazky a potom na jemno Ocima na druhe strane jak je znamo :) ale RXko .. na to mam takovou vychytavku :) Priklad : mam hlavici na RX o vnitrnim prumeru 10 cm ze zbytku nepouzite hlavice sem udelal prouzek trubky o vnejsim prumeru cca 10 cm rasi o mm mene .. :) Na ten prouzek trubky sem si izolackou prichytil tenky prusvitny papir . a udelal z toho takovy bubinek nebo tamburina nebo jak se to jmenuje ( snad to kazdy pochopi ) Bubinek sem umistil do hlavice s zhruba odhadl ohnisko ledky .. Pri hrubem namireni se mi u cervenych ledek objevilo na papiru bubinku cervene kolecko ktere sem uz jen vystredil pomoci sroubu na drzaku :-) slo to rychle :) Clovek si i zmeri ohnisko a vyskousi zda to vychazi presne do prostredka :) Potom sem vyjmul bubunek zhruba sem zasunul RX modul a skusil neco chytnout na RSSI :) a slava :) odhadem na 400 metru sem chytal RSSI cca 0,9 V :) Nevim zda to je malo nebo mnoho kazdopadne mam radost ze to po tomhle napadu jde tak rychle :) Linka neni jeste otestovana Ronja Pingem .. az bude cas postnu i fotky ... ale ted hura do hajan .. ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040811/2b6e9163/attachment-0001.htm From korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Aug 11 06:48:50 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Aug 11 06:49:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] stinici boxy References: <20040809093955.M17734@kihu.info> Message-ID: <017e01c47f66$e0d16eb0$02086b0a@atintel> Ty krabicky bych chtel urcite dve. Mohl bys je poslat postou? ----- Original Message ----- From: "petr.dvorak" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: [Ronja] stinici boxy > Dobr? den. Cht?l bych upozornit na moznost objednat stinici boxy pro Twistera. > Cena je 80 kc s DPH/kus. V pripade zajmu piste > > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Aug 11 07:50:53 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Aug 11 07:52:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> a neni ten bubinek zbytecnej? kdyz tam strcis rx do te vzdalenosti priblizne 295-300mm a pak meris rssi tak to mas to same ne? Glo ----- Tak tu zase pisu nejaky postreh ze zamerovani :) O co jsme se obohatili :) Mno TXko se ladi krasne na odrazky a potom na jemno Ocima na druhe strane jak je znamo :) ale RXko .. na to mam takovou vychytavku :) Priklad : mam hlavici na RX o vnitrnim prumeru 10 cm ze zbytku nepouzite hlavice sem udelal prouzek trubky o vnejsim prumeru cca 10 cm rasi o mm mene .. :) Na ten prouzek trubky sem si izolackou prichytil tenky prusvitny papir . a udelal z toho takovy bubinek nebo tamburina nebo jak se to jmenuje ( snad to kazdy pochopi ) Bubinek sem umistil do hlavice s zhruba odhadl ohnisko ledky .. Pri hrubem namireni se mi u cervenych ledek objevilo na papiru bubinku cervene kolecko ktere sem uz jen vystredil pomoci sroubu na drzaku :-) slo to rychle :) Clovek si i zmeri ohnisko a vyskousi zda to vychazi presne do prostredka :) Potom sem vyjmul bubunek zhruba sem zasunul RX modul a skusil neco chytnout na RSSI :) a slava :) odhadem na 400 metru sem chytal RSSI cca 0,9 V :) Nevim zda to je malo nebo mnoho kazdopadne mam radost ze to po tomhle napadu jde tak rychle :) Linka neni jeste otestovana Ronja Pingem .. az bude cas postnu i fotky ... ale ted hura do hajan .. _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Aug 11 08:02:46 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Aug 11 07:59:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka In-Reply-To: <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne st 11. srpna 2004 08:50 Michal Mal??ek napsal(a): > a neni ten bubinek zbytecnej? kdyz tam strcis rx do te vzdalenosti > priblizne 295-300mm a pak meris rssi tak to mas to same ne? > Pridam se k tematu. Ja jsem Rx zameroval tak, ze jsem mel moduly pripevnene ve dvou koleckach z pertinaxu -> modul tvori takovy pist. Tak jsem si udelal dalsi dve kolecka a jedno jsem napnul mlecny mikrotenovy sacek, kde jsem uprostred udelal dirku o promeru cca 1mm. A funguje to tak, ze do trobky misto Rx strcim tu matnici, dosteluju zamereni roury rak aby se paprsek diody skryl presne do dirky v sacku (je to mamerene na stred.) a do stejneho mista pak zasunu Rx. V podstate hned se objevi nejake RSSI a staci ho jemne doladit (moduly byly jeste stareho typu s necitlivym RSSI). Predtim jsem se v podstate nebyl schopen trefit. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Aug 11 08:05:41 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Aug 11 08:01:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka In-Reply-To: <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <200408110905.41791.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Upresnuji, na obrazku "http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/beharovice/Ronja 047.jpg" Je videt ta matnice v pravem hornim rohu polozena na pneumatice. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Aug 11 08:33:00 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Aug 11 08:32:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka In-Reply-To: <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <464536510.20040811093300@volny.cz> Tak si taky prihreju polivcicku :-) Matnici jsem si taky vyrobil, ale jeji pouzitelnost mi neprijde az tak zavratna, snad krom toho pripadu co popsal Zapik se starymi Rxy. Me na te "pistove konstrukci" ulozeni modulu v tubusu prijde klicove to, ze otacenim pistu v tubusu podel jeho podelne osy lze menit silu signalu. Zamerne jsem si s tim zkousel hrat a pri plne zamerene lince jsem schopen "nakroutit" signal od 50mV do 2.5V Clockova original konstrukce ma IMHO tu nevyhodu, ze vypilovanim drazek do tubusu si clovek "vylosuje" nejakou polohu, v ramci te najde maximum ale vic nic. Az kdyz s tim clovek zacne otacet, zjisti o kolik signalu se osizoval... Plati to pro Rx i Tx. Ondra PZ> Dne st 11. srpna 2004 08:50 Michal Mal??ek napsal(a): >> a neni ten bubinek zbytecnej? kdyz tam strcis rx do te vzdalenosti >> priblizne 295-300mm a pak meris rssi tak to mas to same ne? >> PZ> Pridam se k tematu. PZ> Ja jsem Rx zameroval tak, ze jsem mel moduly pripevnene ve dvou koleckach z pertinaxu ->> modul tvori takovy pist. Tak jsem si udelal dalsi dve kolecka a PZ> jedno jsem napnul mlecny mikrotenovy sacek, kde jsem uprostred udelal dirku o PZ> promeru cca 1mm. PZ> A funguje to tak, ze do trobky misto Rx strcim tu matnici, dosteluju zamereni PZ> roury rak aby se paprsek diody skryl presne do dirky v sacku (je to mamerene PZ> na stred.) a do stejneho mista pak zasunu Rx. V podstate hned se objevi PZ> nejake RSSI a staci ho jemne doladit (moduly byly jeste stareho typu s PZ> necitlivym RSSI). Predtim jsem se v podstate nebyl schopen trefit. PZ> S pozdravem From bendis at pilsfree.net Wed Aug 11 08:40:54 2004 From: bendis at pilsfree.net (Martin Benda) Date: Wed Aug 11 08:40:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka In-Reply-To: <464536510.20040811093300@volny.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <464536510.20040811093300@volny.cz> Message-ID: A neni nahodou tento efekt zpusoben tim, ze Rx ledku se nepodari dostat primo do osy otaceni - tzn. otacenim se meni jeji poloha? V tom pripade jde 'krouceni' nahradit obyc. smerovanim tubusu. Bendis On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:33:00 +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Me na te "pistove konstrukci" ulozeni modulu v tubusu prijde klicove > to, ze otacenim pistu v tubusu podel jeho podelne osy lze menit silu > signalu. Zamerne jsem si s tim zkousel hrat a pri plne zamerene lince > jsem schopen "nakroutit" signal od 50mV do 2.5V > > Clockova original konstrukce ma IMHO tu nevyhodu, ze vypilovanim > drazek do tubusu si clovek "vylosuje" nejakou polohu, v ramci te najde > maximum ale vic nic. Az kdyz s tim clovek zacne otacet, zjisti o kolik > signalu se osizoval... Plati to pro Rx i Tx. > > Ondra From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Aug 11 08:49:04 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Aug 11 08:50:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe><002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen><200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz><464536510.20040811093300@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000901c47f77$aea82f30$0103450a@thechosen> moc ne, ta lupa veredu ohnisko posle vzdy (pokud to je zamerene) do stredu tubusu, teda v mezich moznosti vycentrovani te lupy. ondra tim otacem pak proste se nejvic priblizi do toho stredu protoze pin diodu se nikdy v tehle podminkach nepovede dat do stredu, no. Glo ---- A neni nahodou tento efekt zpusoben tim, ze Rx ledku se nepodari dostat primo do osy otaceni - tzn. otacenim se meni jeji poloha? V tom pripade jde 'krouceni' nahradit obyc. smerovanim tubusu. Bendis On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:33:00 +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Me na te "pistove konstrukci" ulozeni modulu v tubusu prijde klicove > to, ze otacenim pistu v tubusu podel jeho podelne osy lze menit silu > signalu. Zamerne jsem si s tim zkousel hrat a pri plne zamerene lince > jsem schopen "nakroutit" signal od 50mV do 2.5V > > Clockova original konstrukce ma IMHO tu nevyhodu, ze vypilovanim > drazek do tubusu si clovek "vylosuje" nejakou polohu, v ramci te najde > maximum ale vic nic. Az kdyz s tim clovek zacne otacet, zjisti o kolik > signalu se osizoval... Plati to pro Rx i Tx. > > Ondra _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed Aug 11 09:09:00 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Wed Aug 11 09:09:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister nejede:lze nahradit AM26LS31 obvodem SN75172 ??? In-Reply-To: <81753.846161-15550-1149873600-1092164273@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040811080900.GA12037@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 08:57:53PM +0200, Karel Vomka wrote: > Nemate nekdo zkusenosti jak nahradit ve twisterovi neustale nedostupny obvod AM26LS31? > Nasel jsem ekvivalent SN75172, je plne nahrazujici, > jen ze snad ma navic proudovou a tepelnou ochranu, Me prodali SN75172 v GMku misto AM26LS31, aniz by me o tom rekli, takze kdyz jsem prisel domu, tak jsem se divil, co to tam mam za obvod. Jeste jsem to s nim nezkousel, protoze jsem nevedel, zda to ma byt ekvivalent, nebo zda se proste spletli. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From bendis at pilsfree.net Wed Aug 11 09:11:48 2004 From: bendis at pilsfree.net (Martin Benda) Date: Wed Aug 11 09:11:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka In-Reply-To: <000901c47f77$aea82f30$0103450a@thechosen> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe><002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen><200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz><464536510.20040811093300@volny.cz> <000901c47f77$aea82f30$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: Tady je dobre si uvedomit, ze ohnisko nelze brat jako bod, ale jako rovinu kolmou na osu cocky, ktera je od ni v ohniskove vzdalenosti. Prave nekde v teto rovine se protinaji paprsky z vysilace a ukolem zamerovani je: 1. Dostat prijimaci ledku do teto roviny. 2. Nasmerovat tubus tak, aby byl obraz vysilace presne v tom miste, kde je prijimaci ledka. Otacenim se podle me nedosahne niceho jineho, nez co je mozne provest posouvanim rx modulu a smerovanim tubusu, jen to otaceni muze byt jemnejsi. Na otoceni by vylozene zalezelo, pokud by byla dulezita polarizace svetla apod. - ale to snad neni :-) Vsechno, co jsem napsal, vychazi pouze z mych teoretickych predstav - zadna praxe, tak pozor na to ;-) Bendis On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:49:04 +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > moc ne, ta lupa veredu ohnisko posle vzdy (pokud to je zamerene) do > stredu > tubusu, teda v mezich moznosti vycentrovani te lupy. ondra tim otacem pak > proste se nejvic priblizi do toho stredu protoze pin diodu se nikdy v > tehle > podminkach nepovede dat do stredu, no. > > Glo From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Aug 11 09:31:03 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Aug 11 09:27:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka In-Reply-To: References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <000901c47f77$aea82f30$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200408111031.03531.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > Vsechno, co jsem napsal, vychazi pouze z mych teoretickych predstav - > zadna praxe, tak pozor na to ;-) Teoreticky ano, prakticky taky jeste zavisi na tom jak se podari sladit osy cocky a diody a zde ma otaceni smysl. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Aug 11 12:52:10 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Aug 11 12:52:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister nejede:lze nahradit AM26LS31 obvodem SN75172 ??? In-Reply-To: <81753.846161-15550-1149873600-1092164273@email.seznam.cz> References: <81753.846161-15550-1149873600-1092164273@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <200408111352.10745.ladmanj@volny.cz> Da se to nahradit MC3487, ale oba ENB vstupy se musi pripojit na VCC, misto na GND. Jakub On Tuesday 10 August 2004 20:57, Karel Vom??ka wrote: > Nemate nekdo zkusenosti jak nahradit ve twisterovi neustale nedostupny > obvod AM26LS31? Nasel jsem ekvivalent SN75172, je plne nahrazujici, > jen ze snad ma navic proudovou a tepelnou ochranu, > je nekdo kdo uz to s timhle obvodem zkousel, ja ze me to nechodi, > LEDky na twistru blikaj jak vo zivot, ale dal si uz nic netece. > V tomhle mam nejistotu, co poradi Clock? > > ____________________________________________________________ > P??jemn? design. P??jemn?j?? cena. NOKIA 2300 ji? od 577 K? > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76255 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Aug 11 12:58:33 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Aug 11 12:58:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka In-Reply-To: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <200408111358.34009.ladmanj@volny.cz> To uz jsem vymyslel pred tebou ja a mozna (pravdepodobne) ani ja jsem nebyl prvni :-) Kazdopadne, kdyz je jedna strana priblizne zamerena, da se to na druhy strane udelat i s vysilacem :-D To je teprve mazec, co? Jakub On Wednesday 11 August 2004 01:53, Steebe wrote: > Tak tu zase pisu nejaky postreh ze zamerovani :) > O co jsme se obohatili :) > > Mno TXko se ladi krasne na odrazky a potom na jemno Ocima na druhe > strane jak je znamo :) ale RXko .. na to mam takovou vychytavku :) > Priklad : mam hlavici na RX o vnitrnim prumeru 10 cm ze zbytku > nepouzite hlavice sem udelal prouzek trubky o vnejsim prumeru cca 10 cm > rasi o mm mene .. :) Na ten prouzek trubky sem si izolackou prichytil > tenky prusvitny papir . a udelal z toho takovy bubinek nebo tamburina > nebo jak se to jmenuje ( snad to kazdy pochopi ) Bubinek sem umistil do > hlavice s zhruba odhadl ohnisko ledky .. Pri hrubem namireni se mi u > cervenych ledek objevilo na papiru bubinku cervene kolecko ktere sem uz > jen vystredil pomoci sroubu na drzaku :-) slo to rychle :) Clovek si i > zmeri ohnisko a vyskousi zda to vychazi presne do prostredka :) > > Potom sem vyjmul bubunek zhruba sem zasunul RX modul a skusil neco > chytnout na RSSI :) a slava :) odhadem na 400 metru sem chytal RSSI cca > 0,9 V :) Nevim zda to je malo nebo mnoho kazdopadne mam radost ze to po > tomhle napadu jde tak rychle :) Linka neni jeste otestovana Ronja Pingem > .. az bude cas postnu i fotky ... ale ted hura do hajan .. From korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Aug 11 18:32:57 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Aug 11 18:33:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro viac infa o 10,2Gh References: <007e01c35f0f$36ec2660$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <002201c47fc9$3db431f0$02086b0a@atintel> Tak to je docela hukot, nejaky obrazky by nebyly? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: miro To: Ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:15 AM Subject: [Ronja] Miro viac infa o 10,2Gh Aui forte som vlozil do satelitu.Vystup s BB som spojil s RX na vstup do satelitu som pouzil klasicky konvertor pre pasmo 10,7-12,7Gh akurat oscilator v konvertore som preladil tak aby zosiloval pasmo od 10,2 Gh.Vysielac som si dal urobit a pripojil som ho na TX . Konvertory som vlozil do parabol o priemere 60cm na satelite som naladil vysielaciu frekvenciu. kazdy konvertor je umiestneny zvlast v parabole cize kazdy sat musi mat TX a RX osve umiestneny v parabole.nemal som vela casu zaoberat sa s tym podrobnejsie ale viem ze vysielac ma jednu necnost a tou je zavyslost od teploty .vyroba vysielaca ma vysla cca 4000 za kus primac som kupil za cca 400korun plus sat 1500 . vsetko ma to vyslo asi na 20000 co je zanedbatelna suma oproti profi zariadeniam toho isteho druhu ktore sa pohibuju v statisicoch korun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040811/aaab9f27/attachment.htm From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Aug 11 18:57:06 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Aug 11 18:57:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040810180505Z1305081-29443+92233@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040810180505Z1305081-29443+92233@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1092247026.411a5df22107e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Jo diody kdyz jsou otocene, tak to chodi nejak do zhruba 5cm, kdy osvetleni staci prepolarizovat diodu. A taky sem asi debugoval starej Skontorpuv plosnak na RX. Mozna ze budes Jakube velice mile prekvapen vysledkem. Quoting Jakub Michn?k : > mi se stalo ze vsechno sedelo, ledky blikaly(ale data nesly), a rssi bylo > furt na 0V ... pak sem to dal seligrovi a rikal ze sem tam mel otocene diody > (jak mohly vubec blikat ledky pri otoc. diodach?)... > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: "Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET" > > Komu: Twibright Ronja > > CC: > > Datum: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:32:34 +0200 > > P?edm?t: [Ronja] RSSI > > > > Ahoj, > > nestalo se Vam nekomu, ze by v RX vsechny merici body sedeli, jen RSSI > > ma stale pres 5V a nereaguje na svetlo? :-) > > Nejaky napad? > > Kneza > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -------------------- > P?ipravte se! Je tu ?kola. Nav?tivte v?as Pal?c Fl?ra. Od 20.srpna do 5.z??? > prob?h? v Pal?ci Fl?ra speci?ln? trh ?koln?ch pot?eb. > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.palacflora.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Aug 11 20:30:45 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Aug 11 20:31:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka In-Reply-To: <200408111358.34009.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <200408111358.34009.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <1092252645.411a73e568afe@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> jojo, rika se tomu "camera obscura". Perfektni je pouzit pauzovaci papir, nebo igelit a jeste si na nej vytiskout kriz s koleckem. V nouzi staci taky obyc papir navlhceny lihem. Taky se pres to necha nasmerovat TX. Ve dne se to nastvi podle obrazu okoli a v noci se tam da TX a jemne doladi. Presnost je obdivuhodna. Quoting Jakub Ladman : > To uz jsem vymyslel pred tebou ja a mozna (pravdepodobne) ani ja jsem nebyl > > prvni :-) > Kazdopadne, kdyz je jedna strana priblizne zamerena, da se to na druhy strane > > udelat i s vysilacem :-D To je teprve mazec, co? > Jakub > > On Wednesday 11 August 2004 01:53, Steebe wrote: > > Tak tu zase pisu nejaky postreh ze zamerovani :) > > O co jsme se obohatili :) > > > > Mno TXko se ladi krasne na odrazky a potom na jemno Ocima na druhe > > strane jak je znamo :) ale RXko .. na to mam takovou vychytavku :) > > Priklad : mam hlavici na RX o vnitrnim prumeru 10 cm ze zbytku > > nepouzite hlavice sem udelal prouzek trubky o vnejsim prumeru cca 10 cm > > rasi o mm mene .. :) Na ten prouzek trubky sem si izolackou prichytil > > tenky prusvitny papir . a udelal z toho takovy bubinek nebo tamburina > > nebo jak se to jmenuje ( snad to kazdy pochopi ) Bubinek sem umistil do > > hlavice s zhruba odhadl ohnisko ledky .. Pri hrubem namireni se mi u > > cervenych ledek objevilo na papiru bubinku cervene kolecko ktere sem > uz > > jen vystredil pomoci sroubu na drzaku :-) slo to rychle :) Clovek si i > > > zmeri ohnisko a vyskousi zda to vychazi presne do prostredka :) > > > > Potom sem vyjmul bubunek zhruba sem zasunul RX modul a skusil neco > > chytnout na RSSI :) a slava :) odhadem na 400 metru sem chytal RSSI > cca > > 0,9 V :) Nevim zda to je malo nebo mnoho kazdopadne mam radost ze to po > > tomhle napadu jde tak rychle :) Linka neni jeste otestovana Ronja Pingem > > .. az bude cas postnu i fotky ... ale ted hura do hajan .. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Aug 11 21:27:08 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Wed Aug 11 21:27:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro viac infa o 10,2Gh In-Reply-To: <002201c47fc9$3db431f0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <007e01c35f0f$36ec2660$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> <002201c47fc9$3db431f0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <411A811C.1020506@sattnet.cz> Podle me v normalnich podminkach neproveditelne ;-). Ale ta idea je squela. Milan Korda napsal(a): > Tak to je docela hukot, nejaky obrazky by nebyly? :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* miro > *To:* Ronja@lists.pointless.net > *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:15 AM > *Subject:* [Ronja] Miro viac infa o 10,2Gh > > Aui forte som vlozil do satelitu.Vystup s BB som spojil s RX na > vstup do satelitu som pouzil klasicky konvertor pre pasmo > 10,7-12,7Gh akurat oscilator v konvertore som preladil tak aby > zosiloval pasmo od 10,2 Gh.Vysielac som si dal urobit a pripojil > som ho na TX . Konvertory som vlozil do parabol o priemere 60cm na > satelite som naladil vysielaciu frekvenciu. kazdy konvertor je > umiestneny zvlast > v parabole cize kazdy sat musi mat TX a RX osve umiestneny v > parabole.nemal som vela casu zaoberat sa s tym podrobnejsie ale > viem ze vysielac ma jednu necnost a tou je zavyslost od teploty > .vyroba vysielaca ma vysla cca 4000 za kus > primac som kupil za cca 400korun plus sat 1500 . vsetko ma to > vyslo asi na 20000 > co je zanedbatelna suma oproti profi zariadeniam toho isteho druhu > ktore sa pohibuju v statisicoch korun > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From KarlikV at seznam.cz Wed Aug 11 22:21:13 2004 From: KarlikV at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel=20Vom=E1=E8ka?=) Date: Wed Aug 11 22:21:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister uz jede, SN75172 vs AM26LS31 problem vyresen Message-ID: <73672.251808-15557-1279210789-1092259272@email.seznam.cz> Hi vsem, Upresnil bych muj problem a uvedl vse na spravnou miru. Zjistil jsem z datasheetu ze obvod SN75172 je sice identicky, funkcne stejny, ale zkratka je pomaly, jeho prechod z log1 do log0 je okolo 60ns, a to je pro rychlost 10mbps trosku malo, docetl jsem se ze je schopen zvladnou rychlosti do 4 megabaud, coz je vyjadreno v mbps rovno ctyrem, takze 10mbps to rozhodne nezvladne. V GMelectronic si dejte pozor, oni Vam ho spravne prodaji jako ekvivalentni nahradu. Doporucuji tedy rozebrat stare TP interface kde se naleza linkovy driver 485 od fy Motorolla MC 3487, ktery v pohode zvladne 10mbps.Je rychly a jeho prechod log1 vs log0 je typ. kolem 20ns, zcela postacujici. Da se vlozit po drobne uprave na misto AM26LS31 s tim ze treba ohnete nozicky 4 a 12 smerem vzhuru, tak aby nebyly v patici a udelate propojku mezi 4+12+16 kde 16 je +5V tedy Vcc, zkratka aby tento obvod fachcil musi mit na pinech 4 a 12 log1. Tot vse, lamal jsem si s tim mozkovnu 4 dny. Zdravim vsechny a preji prijemne ozivovani. Charlie LBnet, L?zn? Bohdane? ____________________________________________________________ Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Thu Aug 12 00:17:25 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Thu Aug 12 00:10:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister uz jede, SN75172 vs AM26LS31 problem vyresen In-Reply-To: <73672.251808-15557-1279210789-1092259272@email.seznam.cz> References: <73672.251808-15557-1279210789-1092259272@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <411AA905.5060409@jkl.darktech.org> Karel Vom??ka wrote: > V GMelectronic si dejte pozor, oni Vam ho spravne prodaji jako ekvivalentni nahradu. Doporucuji tedy rozebrat stare TP interface kde se naleza linkovy driver 485 od fy Motorolla MC 3487, ktery v pohode zvladne 10mbps.Je rychly a jeho prechod log1 vs log0 je typ. kolem 20ns, zcela postacujici. Da se vlozit po drobne uprave > na misto AM26LS31 s tim ze treba ohnete nozicky 4 a 12 smerem vzhuru, > tak aby nebyly v patici a udelate propojku mezi 4+12+16 kde 16 je +5V tedy Vcc, zkratka aby tento obvod fachcil musi mit na pinech 4 a 12 log1. > Tot vse, lamal jsem si s tim mozkovnu 4 dny. > Ja sem vcera v GMe koupil normalne 26LS31 i 32 za 18.40Kc resp 16.50Kc. Neprodali mi vsak jine, dle meho nazoru bezne soucastky, s poukazanim ze by je pry chtel kazdej. A tak je nemaj. :-) Tak sem tedy zbytek koupil v GESu. From tristram at wtfhax.com Thu Aug 12 09:06:02 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Thu Aug 12 09:06:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? Message-ID: <411B24EA.8070503@wtfhax.com> Hi All, My name is Tristram and i'm from Wellington, New Zealand. I'm currenrly working on a community backbone with wifi nodes and i've come acorss these optical link systems on the site, I was wanting to know if anyone has been able to get a link at 2km? or a speed increase to say 100mbit? i'd be looking for a 2k/10mb link or a 1km/100mbit link is possable, im in the process of building the houses etc and i'm having trouble finding a good source for lesnse so if anyone has any sites to buy from that would be great aswell Many Thanks From kneza at poupe.net Thu Aug 12 09:22:02 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Thu Aug 12 09:22:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister uz jede, SN75172 vs AM26LS31 problem vyresen In-Reply-To: <411AA905.5060409@jkl.darktech.org> References: <73672.251808-15557-1279210789-1092259272@email.seznam.cz> <411AA905.5060409@jkl.darktech.org> Message-ID: <411B28AA.4080805@poupe.net> Ja tam v patek vykoupil 74HC164 :-) Kneza Jan Kleisner wrote: > Karel Vom??ka wrote: > > > V GMelectronic si dejte pozor, oni Vam ho spravne prodaji jako > ekvivalentni nahradu. Doporucuji tedy rozebrat stare TP interface kde se > naleza linkovy driver 485 od fy Motorolla MC 3487, ktery v pohode > zvladne 10mbps.Je rychly a jeho prechod log1 vs log0 je typ. kolem 20ns, > zcela postacujici. Da se vlozit po drobne uprave > > na misto AM26LS31 s tim ze treba ohnete nozicky 4 a 12 smerem vzhuru, > > tak aby nebyly v patici a udelate propojku mezi 4+12+16 kde 16 je +5V > tedy Vcc, zkratka aby tento obvod fachcil musi mit na pinech 4 a 12 log1. > > Tot vse, lamal jsem si s tim mozkovnu 4 dny. > > > > Ja sem vcera v GMe koupil normalne 26LS31 i 32 za 18.40Kc resp 16.50Kc. > Neprodali mi vsak jine, dle meho nazoru bezne soucastky, s poukazanim ze > by je pry chtel kazdej. A tak je nemaj. :-) > Tak sem tedy zbytek koupil v GESu. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Aug 12 10:37:01 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu Aug 12 10:37:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister uz jede, SN75172 vs AM26LS31 problem vyresen In-Reply-To: <411AA905.5060409@jkl.darktech.org> References: <73672.251808-15557-1279210789-1092259272@email.seznam.cz> <411AA905.5060409@jkl.darktech.org> Message-ID: <200408121137.02394.ladmanj@volny.cz> > naleza linkovy driver 485 od fy Motorolla MC 3487, ktery v pohode maji v gm za rozumnou cenu > > na misto AM26LS31 s tim ze treba ohnete nozicky 4 a 12 smerem vzhuru, > > tak aby nebyly v patici a udelate propojku mezi 4+12+16 kde 16 je +5V Ne tak polopate ale to uz jsem psal. BTW Clocku, kdyz ty, na novy verzi tistaku, das oba ENABLE vstupy na +5V tak bude moci kazdy pouzivat, beze srani se stim, co sezene, MC3487 (i 6 na strane prijimace, pokud tam k te uprave dojde taky), nebo 26LS31 (32) To je jen takovy napad. > > Tot vse, lamal jsem si s tim mozkovnu 4 dny. Hi, me to tak dlouho netrvalo, ja na to prisel asi za pul hodiny :-) znichz vetsina casu bylo porovnavani rychlosti v datashitech. Jakub Ladman From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Thu Aug 12 13:04:09 2004 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (P. Deelman) Date: Thu Aug 12 13:04:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411B24EA.8070503@wtfhax.com> References: <411B24EA.8070503@wtfhax.com> Message-ID: <411B5CB9.4090204@hccnet.nl> Tristram Cheer wrote: > Hi All, > > My name is Tristram and i'm from Wellington, New Zealand. > I'm currenrly working on a community backbone with wifi nodes and i've > come acorss these optical link systems on the site, I was wanting to > know if anyone has been able to get a link at 2km? or a speed increase > to say 100mbit? i'd be looking for a 2k/10mb link or a 1km/100mbit > link is possable, im in the process of building the houses etc and i'm > having trouble finding a good source for lesnse so if anyone has any > sites to buy from that would be great aswell > > Many Thanks > Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal conditions (loups, transmitters etc) He just needs money so he can release it :) Patrick From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Thu Aug 12 13:36:56 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Thu Aug 12 13:37:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] prehrivani 7805 Message-ID: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> Zdar. Prave sem dodelal Twistera a mam problem 1) kdyz ho zapojim a vsechno je odpojeny(sitovej kabel, moduly) tak mi sviti POWER dioda a Tx (sviti, neblika) 2) dost krute se mi zahriva ten stabilizator napeti 7805 (neda se ani drzet v ruce) poradite? ROOTen From kneza at poupe.net Thu Aug 12 13:40:55 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Thu Aug 12 13:42:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] prehrivani 7805 In-Reply-To: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> References: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> Message-ID: <411B6557.4020901@poupe.net> to "prehrivani" je dobre.. mas ho mit na krabicce nebo chladici :-) Kneza petr.dvorak wrote: > Zdar. > Prave sem dodelal Twistera a mam problem 1) kdyz ho zapojim a vsechno je > odpojeny(sitovej kabel, moduly) tak mi sviti POWER dioda a Tx (sviti, neblika) > 2) dost krute se mi zahriva ten > stabilizator napeti 7805 (neda se ani drzet v ruce) > > poradite? > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Aug 12 14:27:19 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Thu Aug 12 14:28:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] prehrivani 7805 References: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> Message-ID: <000701c48070$17fc7510$0103450a@thechosen> ti znej sviti asi 1,5W co bys chtel? Glo ------ > Zdar. > Prave sem dodelal Twistera a mam problem 1) kdyz ho zapojim a vsechno je > odpojeny(sitovej kabel, moduly) tak mi sviti POWER dioda a Tx (sviti, neblika) > 2) dost krute se mi zahriva ten > stabilizator napeti 7805 (neda se ani drzet v ruce) > > poradite? > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From arni at undernet.lv Thu Aug 12 15:06:55 2004 From: arni at undernet.lv (Arnold Mingin) Date: Thu Aug 12 15:14:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411B5CB9.4090204@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: how much money and where to pay??? 4km? are you sure? > -----Original Message----- > From: ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net]On > Behalf Of P. Deelman > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:04 PM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > > Tristram Cheer wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > My name is Tristram and i'm from Wellington, New Zealand. > > I'm currenrly working on a community backbone with wifi nodes and i've > > come acorss these optical link systems on the site, I was wanting to > > know if anyone has been able to get a link at 2km? or a speed increase > > to say 100mbit? i'd be looking for a 2k/10mb link or a 1km/100mbit > > link is possable, im in the process of building the houses etc and i'm > > having trouble finding a good source for lesnse so if anyone has any > > sites to buy from that would be great aswell > > > > Many Thanks > > > Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal > conditions (loups, transmitters etc) > > He just needs money so he can release it :) > > Patrick > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From dcoun at med.uoc.gr Thu Aug 12 15:23:52 2004 From: dcoun at med.uoc.gr (Dimitris Kounalakis) Date: Thu Aug 12 15:24:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister's utp cable length Message-ID: <411B7D78.50001@med.uoc.gr> Hi, The UTP cable that connects the PCB twister and the netcard or the the switch must be less than 1m long, or this is my impression from the guide of the twister component? If so, how can I extend this limit to 5m, 10m or more? Thank you in advance, Dimitris From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Aug 12 15:53:45 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Thu Aug 12 15:54:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister's utp cable length References: <411B7D78.50001@med.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <000b01c4807c$2b027d60$0103450a@thechosen> nobody know :) maybe Clock, but i tested that 40m is OK. but i havent longer cabel. Glo > Hi, > The UTP cable that connects the PCB twister and the netcard or the the > switch must be less than 1m long, or this is my impression from the > guide of the twister component? > If so, how can I extend this limit to 5m, 10m or more? > > Thank you in advance, > Dimitris > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From caffr at seznam.cz Thu Aug 12 20:14:47 2004 From: caffr at seznam.cz (caffr) Date: Thu Aug 12 20:15:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <004c01c47e40$4f6bfb60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz><4116F80C.30902@sattnet.cz> <200408090738.16530.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41170F89.7000508@sattnet.cz> <004c01c47e40$4f6bfb60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <411BC1A7.1020703@seznam.cz> Cipis wrote: >Cece, az to budes mit, prijel bych se mrknout, jsem z Tisnova. >Dej vedet :-) > >Cipis > > > Jestli chces videt funkcni Ronju, tak nemusis jezdit do Zdaru. Staci kdyz prijedes do Veverske Bitysky. 8-) Pokud mas zajem, tak se ozvi na mail. caffr From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Thu Aug 12 22:08:33 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Thu Aug 12 22:09:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Barrandov <> Holyne 1496 m jede!!! In-Reply-To: <411BC1A7.1020703@seznam.cz> References: <008601c47894$8bb58ac0$01fda8c0@anezka> <200408082148.15396.ladmanj@volny.cz><4116F80C.30902@sattnet.cz> <200408090738.16530.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41170F89.7000508@sattnet.cz> <004c01c47e40$4f6bfb60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <411BC1A7.1020703@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <411BDC51.2020007@sattnet.cz> caffr napsal(a): > Cipis wrote: > >> Cece, az to budes mit, prijel bych se mrknout, jsem z Tisnova. >> Dej vedet :-) >> >> Cipis >> >> >> > Jestli chces videt funkcni Ronju, tak nemusis jezdit do Zdaru. Staci > kdyz prijedes do Veverske Bitysky. 8-) > Pokud mas zajem, tak se ozvi na mail. > Jeee ze bych se taky mrknul :-D > caffr > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Thu Aug 12 22:12:30 2004 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (P. Deelman) Date: Thu Aug 12 22:13:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> Arnold Mingin wrote: > >how much money and where to pay??? 4km? are you sure? > > > Below is a direct quote from clocks email. Read through it and learn :) Patrick -- begin quote -- Ronja Nebulus has been prepared for release. It is an infrared transmitter and more accessories, that had to be developed together with Nebulus as a byproduct. Infrared Ronja is called Inferno and building, aiming etc. guides are also part of the stuff to release. For detailed information see http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php The price is 25,709.57 CZK and at the moment there are unassigned contributions amounting to 13,887.30 CZK, so that only 11,872.27 CZK remains. Cl< From tristram at wtfhax.com Thu Aug 12 23:04:36 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Fri Aug 13 01:10:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> References: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <1203.203.96.151.42.1092348276.squirrel@203.96.151.42> >From that data the link is 1.25k with 4km vis, is there any possablity of a usable 4km link? also if anyone gots any links to possablity of 100m gear that would be great On Fri, August 13, 2004 9:12 am, P. Deelman said: > Arnold Mingin wrote: > >> >>how much money and where to pay??? 4km? are you sure? >> >> >> > Below is a direct quote from clocks email. Read through it and learn :) > > Patrick > -- begin quote -- > Ronja Nebulus has been prepared for release. It is an infrared transmitter > > and more accessories, that had to be developed together with Nebulus as > a byproduct. > > Infrared Ronja is called Inferno and building, aiming etc. guides > are also part of the stuff to release. > > For detailed information see http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php > > The price is 25,709.57 CZK and at the moment there are unassigned > contributions amounting to 13,887.30 CZK, so that only 11,872.27 CZK > remains. > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From tristram at wtfhax.com Thu Aug 12 23:18:58 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Fri Aug 13 01:11:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> References: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <1344.203.96.151.42.1092349138.squirrel@203.96.151.42> >From that data the link is 1.25k with 4km vis, is there any possablity of a usable 4km link? also if anyone gots any links to possablity of 100m gear that would be great On Fri, August 13, 2004 9:12 am, P. Deelman said: > Arnold Mingin wrote: > >> >>how much money and where to pay??? 4km? are you sure? >> >> >> > Below is a direct quote from clocks email. Read through it and learn :) > > Patrick > -- begin quote -- > Ronja Nebulus has been prepared for release. It is an infrared transmitter > > and more accessories, that had to be developed together with Nebulus as > a byproduct. > > Infrared Ronja is called Inferno and building, aiming etc. guides > are also part of the stuff to release. > > For detailed information see http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php > > The price is 25,709.57 CZK and at the moment there are unassigned > contributions amounting to 13,887.30 CZK, so that only 11,872.27 CZK > remains. > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From tristram at wtfhax.com Thu Aug 12 21:41:13 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Fri Aug 13 01:11:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: References: <411B5CB9.4090204@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <1923.203.96.151.42.1092343273.squirrel@203.96.151.42> I too am keen to hear how much, 10mb @ 4km sounds great, if the cost a commerical product or the cost for testing and release of the plans? On Fri, August 13, 2004 2:06 am, Arnold Mingin said: > > > > how much money and where to pay??? 4km? are you sure? > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net >> [mailto:ronja-bounces+arni=undernet.lv@lists.pointless.net]On >> Behalf Of P. Deelman >> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:04 PM >> To: Twibright Ronja >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? >> >> >> Tristram Cheer wrote: >> >> > Hi All, >> > >> > My name is Tristram and i'm from Wellington, New Zealand. >> > I'm currenrly working on a community backbone with wifi nodes and i've >> > come acorss these optical link systems on the site, I was wanting to >> > know if anyone has been able to get a link at 2km? or a speed increase >> > to say 100mbit? i'd be looking for a 2k/10mb link or a 1km/100mbit >> > link is possable, im in the process of building the houses etc and i'm >> > having trouble finding a good source for lesnse so if anyone has any >> > sites to buy from that would be great aswell >> > >> > Many Thanks >> > >> Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal >> conditions (loups, transmitters etc) >> >> He just needs money so he can release it :) >> >> Patrick >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From tristram at wtfhax.com Thu Aug 12 23:33:38 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Fri Aug 13 01:12:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> References: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <411BF042.1060802@wtfhax.com> The site says that the link is 1.25km with 4km vis, is there any way to get a working link at 4km? i'd even settle for 2km, also if anyones got any links to 100mbit project sites and links to lense seller that would be great P. Deelman wrote: > Arnold Mingin wrote: > >> >> how much money and where to pay??? 4km? are you sure? >> >> >> > Below is a direct quote from clocks email. Read through it and learn :) > > Patrick > -- begin quote -- > Ronja Nebulus has been prepared for release. It is an infrared > transmitter > > and more accessories, that had to be developed together with Nebulus as > a byproduct. > > Infrared Ronja is called Inferno and building, aiming etc. guides > are also part of the stuff to release. > > For detailed information see http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php > > The price is 25,709.57 CZK and at the moment there are unassigned > contributions amounting to 13,887.30 CZK, so that only 11,872.27 CZK > remains. > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From tristram at wtfhax.com Thu Aug 12 23:15:55 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Fri Aug 13 01:13:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> References: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <1316.203.96.151.42.1092348955.squirrel@203.96.151.42> >From that data the link is 1.25k with 4km vis, is there any possablity of a usable 4km link? also if anyone gots any links to possablity of 100m gear that would be great On Fri, August 13, 2004 9:12 am, P. Deelman said: > Arnold Mingin wrote: > >> >>how much money and where to pay??? 4km? are you sure? >> >> >> > Below is a direct quote from clocks email. Read through it and learn :) > > Patrick > -- begin quote -- > Ronja Nebulus has been prepared for release. It is an infrared transmitter > > and more accessories, that had to be developed together with Nebulus as > a byproduct. > > Infrared Ronja is called Inferno and building, aiming etc. guides > are also part of the stuff to release. > > For detailed information see http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php > > The price is 25,709.57 CZK and at the moment there are unassigned > contributions amounting to 13,887.30 CZK, so that only 11,872.27 CZK > remains. > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From tristram at wtfhax.com Fri Aug 13 01:21:38 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Fri Aug 13 01:22:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Sorry for the spam Message-ID: <1534.203.96.151.42.1092356498.squirrel@203.96.151.42> Had issues with the mail server in New Zealand this morning From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 13 05:50:01 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Fri Aug 13 05:50:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku Message-ID: <000e01c480f0$fe372630$02086b0a@atintel> Tak predevcirem jsem si objednal ve ferone kousek medenyho plechu na krabicku. Asi pred 10 minutama ke me prijel poradnej nakladak s plechem 2x1m a chtel 2000CZK :) Tak mam zase prd, prej na mensi kusy nerezou :( Zkusim jeste nejaky klempirstvi... Nevite kde jinde by se dal ten plech sehnat? ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040813/425ab97f/attachment.htm From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Fri Aug 13 06:32:16 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Fri Aug 13 06:32:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: prehrivani 7805 Message-ID: <20040813053122.M95010@kihu.info> ok, tak to prehrivani mi je jasne, ale co s tou svitici Tx? From frogale at atlas.cz Fri Aug 13 09:44:46 2004 From: frogale at atlas.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?B?QWxluSBQ+O1ob2Rh?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 09:47:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku In-Reply-To: <000e01c480f0$fe372630$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000e01c480f0$fe372630$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <582651906.20040813104446@atlas.cz> Uz se to tady resilo pred par dnama. Krabicky AH-102 z www.gme.cz ty se hodej na RX a TX cena asi 25/kus a petr.dvorak tady nabizel krabicky na twistera za 80/kus objednaval to z Revatechu myslim. Treba to jeste neobjednal. Alex -------------------------- Re: Tak predevcirem jsem si objednal ve ferone kousek medenyho plechu na krabicku. Asi pred 10 minutama ke me prijel poradnej nakladak s plechem 2x1m a chtel 2000CZK :) Tak mam zase prd, prej na mensi kusy nerezou :( Zkusim jeste nejaky klempirstvi... Nevite kde jinde by se dal ten plech sehnat? From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 13 10:10:24 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Fri Aug 13 10:11:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku References: <000e01c480f0$fe372630$02086b0a@atintel> <582651906.20040813104446@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <000801c48115$5e90c9e0$02086b0a@atintel> Ja tu AH - 102 v tom jejich katalogu vubec nemuzu najit :( Muzes dat prosim link primo na ni ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ale? P??hoda" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku > Uz se to tady resilo pred par dnama. Krabicky AH-102 z www.gme.cz ty > se hodej na RX a TX cena asi 25/kus a petr.dvorak tady nabizel krabicky na twistera za > 80/kus objednaval to z Revatechu myslim. Treba to jeste neobjednal. > > Alex > > > -------------------------- > Re: > Tak predevcirem jsem si objednal ve ferone kousek medenyho plechu na krabicku. Asi pred 10 minutama ke me prijel poradnej nakladak s plechem 2x1m a chtel 2000CZK :) > Tak mam zase prd, prej na mensi kusy nerezou :( Zkusim jeste nejaky klempirstvi... > Nevite kde jinde by se dal ten plech sehnat? > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 13 10:16:50 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Fri Aug 13 10:17:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku References: <000e01c480f0$fe372630$02086b0a@atintel><582651906.20040813104446@atlas.cz> <000801c48115$5e90c9e0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <000f01c48116$441e3330$02086b0a@atintel> Tak uz jsem je na i u nas v kramu :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milan Korda" To: "Ale? P??hoda" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku > Ja tu AH - 102 v tom jejich katalogu vubec nemuzu najit :( Muzes dat prosim > link primo na ni ;) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ale? P??hoda" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku > > > > Uz se to tady resilo pred par dnama. Krabicky AH-102 z www.gme.cz ty > > se hodej na RX a TX cena asi 25/kus a petr.dvorak tady nabizel krabicky na > twistera za > > 80/kus objednaval to z Revatechu myslim. Treba to jeste neobjednal. > > > > Alex > > > > > > -------------------------- > > Re: > > Tak predevcirem jsem si objednal ve ferone kousek medenyho plechu na > krabicku. Asi pred 10 minutama ke me prijel poradnej nakladak s plechem 2x1m > a chtel 2000CZK :) > > Tak mam zase prd, prej na mensi kusy nerezou :( Zkusim jeste nejaky > klempirstvi... > > Nevite kde jinde by se dal ten plech sehnat? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 13:33:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 13:34:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Stabilizace na TP In-Reply-To: <138942.455532-9382-1647923765-1092065051@email.seznam.cz> References: <138942.455532-9382-1647923765-1092065051@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040813123330.GA32716@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 05:24:11PM +0200, Milan Koz?k wrote: > Dobry den - zapajel jsem 2Ks Ronjy Twister a chtel bych se zeptat: > > ak moc se ma ohrivat 78L05? Kdyz zapojim Twistera na zdroj spoterba je dle me > v normalu (179mA bez jakychkoliv ostatnich modulu pri 12V), ovsem > stabilizator zacne celkem fest topit. Power led sviti jak ma, switch taky > blika na PC jsem to radsi jeste nedaval nebot ho mam rad :-) Pokud je to v > poradku, jak velky ma byt minimalne chladic? Nechce se mi to pocitat a vy uz > to urcite mate spocitane... Stabilizator topi. Chladic zadny neni potreba, protoze je prisroubovany zevnitr primo na plechovou krabici Twistera. Viz navod. > > Pozn. To same dela i druhy kousek. Btw blby dotaz, ale proc nejsou na DPS > nejake testpointy? Myslim ze uzivatel tam toho nema sanci beznym multimetrem moc co otestovat. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 13:47:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 13:48:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AM26LS31 vs SN75172 In-Reply-To: <24790.99697-15553-1134877967-1092069311@email.seznam.cz> References: <24790.99697-15553-1134877967-1092069311@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040813124733.GB32716@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 06:35:11PM +0200, Karel Vom??ka wrote: > Nemate nekdo zkusenosti jak nahradit ve twisterovi neustale nedostupny obvod AM26LS31? > Nasel jsem ekvivalent SN75172, je plne nahrazujici, jen ze snad ma navic > proudovou a tepelnou ochranu, je nekdo kdo uz to s timhle obvodem zkousel, ja > ze me to nechodi, LEDky na twistru blikaj jak vo zivot, ale dal si uz nic > netece. V tomhle mam nejistotu, co poradi Clock? Na zaklade ceho tvrdite, ze je to plne nahrazujici ekvivalent? Neni divu, ze to s tim nechodi: Datasheet http://www-s.ti.com/sc/ds/sn75172.pdf, str. 4: Differential output transition time: typ.80, max. 120 ns. Nejkratsi impuls vyskytujici se na Ronje je 50ns. To znamena, ze obvod se nestihne za tu dobu ani preklopit z jedne urovne do druhe. str. 1: The device is optimized for balanced multipoint bus transmission at rates of up to 4 megabaud. Na Ronje je 20 megabaud. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 13:52:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 13:53:29 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040813125250.GD32716@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 08:56:34PM +0200, Gullik Webjorn wrote: > Hi Silvije, > > Ah, a good explanation of your experimenting... > > I do agree with you, in that some light reflected of the back does > not add to the total flux. The very interesting fact here is probably > if you can get the size of the chip die image down. I found I could > use some SMT leds, and even thought those had a lower light output, > the resulting image had as good or better power density. What method did you employ to determine that the image has as good or better power density? > > Since the receiver only sees a small fraction of the projected image, > this seems a good way to go. > > The minus in this case is that aiming is harder, the plus is once > the link is aligned, you dont disturb your neighbors as much... > > I tested a little with Firecomms RC-led, this one gives a pretty Was it FC200R-010 or FC100R-010? How hard is this type to obtain? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 13:54:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 13:55:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] luxeon v TX In-Reply-To: <000701c47e49$24e2eb20$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000701c47e49$24e2eb20$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040813125429.GE32716@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 09:43:28PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > dneska jsem koupil luxeon na testy. asi za 400 cervenej s optikou, A co to bylo za typ? Bylo to z GM z Prahy? Cl< From KarlikV at seznam.cz Fri Aug 13 13:55:34 2004 From: KarlikV at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel=20Vom=E1=E8ka?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 13:56:12 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20AM26LS31=20vs=20SN75172?= In-Reply-To: <20040813124733.GB32716@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <89958.727051-15557-330721555-1092401734@email.seznam.cz> Pro?ti si to dal v konferenci. to jsem uz zjistil kdyz jsem zacal patrat v datasheetech. Jen ze mi ho v GMe dali jako nahradu. Jen abych ze sebe nedelal blbce, priste uz budu vopatrnejsi nez si necham nakukat neco od profesionalnich prodejcu. Jinak v poho, pouzil jsem driver od Motorolly MC3487, ten je dost rychlej nato aby se vyrovnal 26LS31. Karel ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Karel Vom??ka" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] AM26LS31 vs SN75172 Datum (Date): 13. 8. 2004 14:47 ================================================== > On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 06:35:11PM +0200, Karel Vom??ka wrote: > > Nemate nekdo zkusenosti jak nahradit ve twisterovi neustale nedostupny obvod AM26LS31? > > Nasel jsem ekvivalent SN75172, je plne nahrazujici, jen ze snad ma navic > > proudovou a tepelnou ochranu, je nekdo kdo uz to s timhle obvodem zkousel, ja > > ze me to nechodi, LEDky na twistru blikaj jak vo zivot, ale dal si uz nic > > netece. V tomhle mam nejistotu, co poradi Clock? > > Na zaklade ceho tvrdite, ze je to plne nahrazujici ekvivalent? > > Neni divu, ze to s tim nechodi: > > Datasheet http://www-s.ti.com/sc/ds/sn75172.pdf, > > str. 4: Differential output transition time: typ.80, max. 120 ns. Nejkratsi > impuls vyskytujici se na Ronje je 50ns. To znamena, ze obvod se nestihne za tu > dobu ani preklopit z jedne urovne do druhe. > > str. 1: The device is optimized for balanced multipoint bus transmission at > rates of up to 4 megabaud. Na Ronje je 20 megabaud. > > Cl< ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 13:56:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 13:56:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <4117ED72.9060109@poupe.net> References: <4117ED72.9060109@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040813125602.GF32716@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 11:32:34PM +0200, Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET wrote: > Ahoj, > nestalo se Vam nekomu, ze by v RX vsechny merici body sedeli, jen RSSI > ma stale pres 5V a nereaguje na svetlo? :-) > Nejaky napad? Tak to asi cele totalne kmita. Odchylili jste se nejak od navodu? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 13:57:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 13:58:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister - Twister In-Reply-To: <160702.518618-15009-1418082345-1092121124@email.seznam.cz> References: <160702.518618-15009-1418082345-1092121124@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040813125747.GH32716@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 08:58:45AM +0200, Milan Koz?k wrote: > Cau > Je mozne zapojit 2 Twistery proti sobe? Z Rx jednoho do Tx druheho (a obracene)? > Bude to fungovat? Neni potreba mezi to dat nejaky optoclen? Diky Je to mozne. Jen je treba propojit i zeme, cili to vest nejmene 3 zilami. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 13:59:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 13:59:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040813125903.GI32716@beton.cybernet.src> Cl< > ps. it would be nice if Clock would use his Bench something to > make this experiment and determine > if the hpwt with no dome is as good as one with dome. Do you mean manually ground off dome? Or is it possible to buy HPWT without dome? I think it's impossible to buy. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 14:03:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 14:04:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] debug PCB twister In-Reply-To: <20040810140654.M48379@kihu.info> References: <20040810140654.M48379@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040813130323.GL32716@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 04:09:37PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > Zdar. Ten debug, co se objevil na netu, mam tomu rozumet tak, ze mam spojit > ten konec kondiku s +12V? Je to C99 a podle schematu na http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.png ma jit na +5V a s tim se to i spojuje v ramci toho debugu - jak jsi prisel na +12V? Cl< From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Fri Aug 13 14:28:27 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Fri Aug 13 14:29:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister - Twister In-Reply-To: <20040813125747.GH32716@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040813132827.GA11532@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 12:57:47PM +0000, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 08:58:45AM +0200, Milan Kozk wrote: > > Cau > > Je mozne zapojit 2 Twistery proti sobe? Z Rx jednoho do Tx druheho (a obracene)? > > Bude to fungovat? Neni potreba mezi to dat nejaky optoclen? Diky > > Je to mozne. Jen je treba propojit i zeme, cili to vest nejmene 3 zilami. Nedavno jsem testoval dva Twistery proti sobe, Rx a Tx jsem mel spojen koaxialy, ale stineni mely pripojene na zem jen na jedne strane. Jeden koax mel asi metr, druhy asi 8 metru. Pres ten metrovy to chodilo i nez spojeni zemi, pres ten 8m ne. Po uzemeni koaxu na obou stranach to uz chodilo dobre. Co je ale zajimave, nasledne jsem zkusil testovat jeden Twister jako loopback - spojil jsem jeho rx s tx. Vysledky uplne stejne jako v predchozim pripade (1m koax vzdy, 8m koax jen kdyz je uzemen na obou stranach - jenze to zemeni na obou stranach je zemeni ke stejnemu twisterovi). To me vede k domence (netestoval jsem ji), ze kdyz by se to spojilo 3 zilama (namisto koaxy) obycejneho dratu (o vetsi delce nez par metru), tak by to asi taky nemuselo fungovat. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 14:34:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 14:34:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411B24EA.8070503@wtfhax.com> References: <411B24EA.8070503@wtfhax.com> Message-ID: <20040813133407.GA603@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 08:06:02PM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: > Hi All, > > My name is Tristram and i'm from Wellington, New Zealand. > I'm currenrly working on a community backbone with wifi nodes and i've > come acorss these optical link systems on the site, I was wanting to > know if anyone has been able to get a link at 2km? or a speed increase > to say 100mbit? i'd be looking for a 2k/10mb link or a 1km/100mbit link The current technology of Ronja allows only what is published on the web, i. e. 1.4km/10Mbps. You can get more range by employing 2x or 3x transmitter head. However works on improvement are in progress of course. But do not expect it to be tomorrow. > is possable, im in the process of building the houses etc and i'm having > trouble finding a good source for lesnse so if anyone has any sites to > buy from that would be great aswell The lenses are loupes. Are you having trouble with getting loupes at optician etc.? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 14:39:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 14:39:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister uz jede, SN75172 vs AM26LS31 problem vyresen In-Reply-To: <200408121137.02394.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <73672.251808-15557-1279210789-1092259272@email.seznam.cz> <411AA905.5060409@jkl.darktech.org> <200408121137.02394.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040813133920.GB603@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 11:37:01AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > naleza linkovy driver 485 od fy Motorolla MC 3487, ktery v pohode > maji v gm za rozumnou cenu > > > > na misto AM26LS31 s tim ze treba ohnete nozicky 4 a 12 smerem vzhuru, > > > tak aby nebyly v patici a udelate propojku mezi 4+12+16 kde 16 je +5V > > Ne tak polopate ale to uz jsem psal. > > BTW Clocku, kdyz ty, na novy verzi tistaku, das oba ENABLE vstupy na +5V tak > bude moci kazdy pouzivat, beze srani se stim, co sezene, MC3487 (i 6 na > strane prijimace, pokud tam k te uprave dojde taky), nebo 26LS31 (32) Jo taky jsem si toho vsim, uz pred nejakou dobou. Ale zapomnel jsem to tam dat kdyz jsem delal fix toho bugu. Tak to tam dam priste. Jeste to asi vyzkousim az si konecne zaletuju toho druhyho Twistera na kterej jsem si od Knezourka koupil 1 tistak a dam tam sokly aby se podobny upravy mohly zkouset bez vyletovani svaba :) Ten starej je zcasti bez soklu a jeste je to prototyp s nekolika dratovejme propojkama takovej celej okousanej ostipanej a ozvejkanej ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 14:40:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 14:41:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411B5CB9.4090204@hccnet.nl> References: <411B24EA.8070503@wtfhax.com> <411B5CB9.4090204@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <20040813134036.GC603@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 02:04:09PM +0200, P. Deelman wrote: > Tristram Cheer wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >My name is Tristram and i'm from Wellington, New Zealand. > >I'm currenrly working on a community backbone with wifi nodes and i've > >come acorss these optical link systems on the site, I was wanting to > >know if anyone has been able to get a link at 2km? or a speed increase > >to say 100mbit? i'd be looking for a 2k/10mb link or a 1km/100mbit > >link is possable, im in the process of building the houses etc and i'm > >having trouble finding a good source for lesnse so if anyone has any > >sites to buy from that would be great aswell > > > >Many Thanks > > > Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal > conditions (loups, transmitters etc) @4km? Range with single transmitter 1.25km. 4km are a nonsense. Where did you get that information? Cl< From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Fri Aug 13 14:40:39 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Fri Aug 13 14:41:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] debug PCB twister In-Reply-To: <20040813130323.GL32716@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040810140654.M48379@kihu.info> <20040813130323.GL32716@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040813133928.M85663@kihu.info> from Clock: *jak jsi prisel na +12V? Trochu sem se spletl, nevsim sem si toho stabilizatoru :)). ROOTen From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 14:41:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 14:42:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] prehrivani 7805 In-Reply-To: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> References: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040813134137.GD603@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 02:36:56PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > Zdar. > Prave sem dodelal Twistera a mam problem 1) kdyz ho zapojim a vsechno je > odpojeny(sitovej kabel, moduly) tak mi sviti POWER dioda a Tx (sviti, neblika) > 2) dost krute se mi zahriva ten > stabilizator napeti 7805 (neda se ani drzet v ruce) Je ten tistak testovanej z vyroby? Jakej to ma odber? Je stabilizator prisroubovanej na krabicce? Cl< From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Fri Aug 13 14:45:29 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Fri Aug 13 14:46:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] prehrivani 7805 In-Reply-To: <20040813134137.GD603@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> <20040813134137.GD603@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040813134347.M52283@kihu.info> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:41:37 +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote > Je ten tistak testovanej z vyroby? Jakej to ma odber? Je stabilizator > prisroubovanej na krabicce? > > Cl< Ten tistak je od Horkyho, odber sem netestoval ale na vystupu stabilizatoru je 4,93V, takze tam zkrat nebude, byl ve vzduchu. ROOTen From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 14:59:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 15:00:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister's utp cable length In-Reply-To: <411B7D78.50001@med.uoc.gr> References: <411B7D78.50001@med.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <20040813135933.GE603@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 05:23:52PM +0300, Dimitris Kounalakis wrote: > Hi, > The UTP cable that connects the PCB twister and the netcard or the the > switch must be less than 1m long, or this is my impression from the > guide of the twister component? It is 1km long. People have reported workability on several 10's of meter IIRC, however it's incorrect from design point of view. Due to easy getting components, Twister doesn't contain any magnetics, which, together with the fact that the UTP cable is a piece of shit from electromagnetic wave point of view, cause this. You'll get excessive radiation, excessive susceptibility to receive interference and possibly also range degradation if you use it that way. Coaxial cables have by principle lot more wave propagation quality than UTP, so that if they are there, no pity to cut UTP down to 1m and use them instead. They are not much more expensive. Should we sort the 3 possibilities regarding to quality, we would end up with this: 1) coaxial cable 2) UTP with filters and all the associated tricks implemented 3) UTP without filters as are presently in Twister. It is possible that some kind of enhanced Twister will be issued in the future, but due to fact that coaxial cables do their job well, this is of low importance and other designs will go first. > If so, how can I extend this limit to 5m, 10m or more? In case you are unable to place coaxial cable and Twister near PC, you can try it. If your neigbours' TV reception goes nuts, your cat dies, your balls fall off or your brain oozes out from your left ear, replace it with 1m back ;-) You can scan the deaf (static, noise) portions of radio and TV spectra or weak broadcast stations and try switching the device off for a while and putting massive packet flood into the UTP cable for another. If there are interference problems, you are going to receive something that resembles alian communication or the reception gets worse in case the interference occurs. Try measuring packet loss and switching on/off various household electrical appliances to check for EM interference (the interference occurs typically at the moment of switching off, and it also depends randomly on if you hit the zero or peak of the sine wave in the power grid). Some badly designed brush motors generate interference permanantly too, switched mode power supply generate sometimes permanent interference, flourescent fixtures, monitors, PCs, light dimmers, thyristor/triac motor regulators (handheld electric drill for example). Cl< From kucik at net22.cz Fri Aug 13 14:54:53 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin Kucko) Date: Fri Aug 13 15:06:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister - Twister In-Reply-To: <20040813132827.GA11532@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040813125747.GH32716@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040813154707.00aab540@mail.net22.cz> At 15:28 13.8.2004 +0200, you wrote: >On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 12:57:47PM +0000, Karel Kulhav wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 08:58:45AM +0200, Milan Kozk wrote: > > > Cau > > > Je mozne zapojit 2 Twistery proti sobe? Z Rx jednoho do Tx druheho > (a obracene)? > > > Bude to fungovat? Neni potreba mezi to dat nejaky optoclen? Diky > > > > Je to mozne. Jen je treba propojit i zeme, cili to vest nejmene 3 zilami. > >Nedavno jsem testoval dva Twistery proti sobe, Rx a Tx jsem mel spojen >koaxialy, ale stineni mely pripojene na zem jen na jedne strane. Jeden koax >mel asi metr, druhy asi 8 metru. Pres ten metrovy to chodilo i nez spojeni >zemi, pres ten 8m ne. Po uzemeni koaxu na obou stranach to uz chodilo dobre. > >Co je ale zajimave, nasledne jsem zkusil testovat jeden Twister jako loopback >- spojil jsem jeho rx s tx. Vysledky uplne stejne jako v predchozim pripade >(1m koax vzdy, 8m koax jen kdyz je uzemen na obou stranach - jenze to zemeni >na obou stranach je zemeni ke stejnemu twisterovi). > >To me vede k domence (netestoval jsem ji), ze kdyz by se to spojilo 3 zilama >(namisto koaxy) obycejneho dratu (o vetsi delce nez par metru), tak by to asi >taky nemuselo fungovat. Dle meho neodborneho nazoru by to fungovat melo. Mam pocit ze v 8m dlouhym koaxu zvitezila parazitni ( a buh vi jaka jeste:)) impedance nad puvodnim signalem proste proto ze 8m kabelu (dost mozna i stoceneho do civky? jelikoz byl druhy kus jen 1m) pri kmitoctech mnoha MHz je docela sila. >-- >Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > >Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: >santiago@njs.netlab.cz) >OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) >"To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------- daląí část --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.737 / Virus Database: 491 - Release Date: 11.8.2004 From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 13 15:51:22 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Fri Aug 13 15:52:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku References: <000e01c480f0$fe372630$02086b0a@atintel><582651906.20040813104446@atlas.cz><000801c48115$5e90c9e0$02086b0a@atintel> <000f01c48116$441e3330$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <001401c48145$0116bb50$02086b0a@atintel> A uz mam plech i na twister krabicku. Mistni klempiri rules :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milan Korda" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku > Tak uz jsem je na i u nas v kramu :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Milan Korda" > To: "Ale? P??hoda" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku > > > > Ja tu AH - 102 v tom jejich katalogu vubec nemuzu najit :( Muzes dat > prosim > > link primo na ni ;) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ale? P??hoda" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:44 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku > > > > > > > Uz se to tady resilo pred par dnama. Krabicky AH-102 z www.gme.cz ty > > > se hodej na RX a TX cena asi 25/kus a petr.dvorak tady nabizel krabicky > na > > twistera za > > > 80/kus objednaval to z Revatechu myslim. Treba to jeste neobjednal. > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > Re: > > > Tak predevcirem jsem si objednal ve ferone kousek medenyho plechu na > > krabicku. Asi pred 10 minutama ke me prijel poradnej nakladak s plechem > 2x1m > > a chtel 2000CZK :) > > > Tak mam zase prd, prej na mensi kusy nerezou :( Zkusim jeste nejaky > > klempirstvi... > > > Nevite kde jinde by se dal ten plech sehnat? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 16:02:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 16:03:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <1203.203.96.151.42.1092348276.squirrel@203.96.151.42> References: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> <1203.203.96.151.42.1092348276.squirrel@203.96.151.42> Message-ID: <20040813150223.GI603@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:04:36AM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: > >From that data the link is 1.25k with 4km vis, is there any possablity of > a usable 4km link? also if anyone gots any links to possablity of 100m > gear that would be great 100mbps is planned however other designs have priority before this. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 16:04:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 16:05:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku In-Reply-To: <000e01c480f0$fe372630$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000e01c480f0$fe372630$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040813150456.GJ603@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 06:50:01AM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Tak predevcirem jsem si objednal ve ferone kousek medenyho plechu na krabicku. Asi pred 10 minutama ke me prijel poradnej nakladak s plechem 2x1m a chtel 2000CZK :) > Tak mam zase prd, prej na mensi kusy nerezou :( Zkusim jeste nejaky klempirstvi... > Nevite kde jinde by se dal ten plech sehnat? Zajit s nuzkama do sbernejch surovin. Jen si nejsem jist, od jakych svinstev to pripadne muze byt kontaminovane, jestli to pochazi z prumyslu. Cl< From frogale at atlas.cz Fri Aug 13 16:05:52 2004 From: frogale at atlas.cz (=?Windows-1250?B?QWxlmiBQ+O1ob2Rh?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 16:08:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku In-Reply-To: <20040813150456.GJ603@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000e01c480f0$fe372630$02086b0a@atintel> <20040813150456.GJ603@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <10925518218.20040813170552@atlas.cz> Da se nejak lehce poznat pocinovany plech? Nebo se bavime o nepocinovanem? Alex -------------------------- Re[2]: On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 06:50:01AM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Tak predevcirem jsem si objednal ve ferone kousek medenyho plechu na krabicku. Asi pred 10 minutama ke me prijel poradnej nakladak s plechem 2x1m a chtel 2000CZK :) > Tak mam zase prd, prej na mensi kusy nerezou :( Zkusim jeste nejaky klempirstvi... > Nevite kde jinde by se dal ten plech sehnat? Zajit s nuzkama do sbernejch surovin. Jen si nejsem jist, od jakych svinstev to pripadne muze byt kontaminovane, jestli to pochazi z prumyslu. Cl< _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 16:10:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 16:10:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] prehrivani 7805 In-Reply-To: <20040813134347.M52283@kihu.info> References: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> <20040813134137.GD603@beton.cybernet.src> <20040813134347.M52283@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040813151014.GL603@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 03:45:29PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:41:37 +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote > > Je ten tistak testovanej z vyroby? Jakej to ma odber? Je stabilizator > > prisroubovanej na krabicce? > > > > Cl< > > Ten tistak je od Horkyho, odber sem netestoval ale na vystupu stabilizatoru je > 4,93V, takze tam zkrat nebude, byl ve vzduchu. > ROOTen Jakub rikal ze je nedaval testovat. Tak jestli jsi uz delal takovy to kontrolovani ze vsechny soucastky maji spravne hodnoty a jsou spravne zapajene, tak vem lupu a prohledni tistak jestli nekde nenajdes vlasovy zkrat. Pokud nenajdes, muze byt jeste pod nejakym svabem ukrytej na strane soucastek. Pak pomuze Twister odpojit a slusmetrem promerit podle schematu (to bude asi dost zdlouhave) jestli nejsou nejake plosky spojeny nekde navic. Maji sanci byt spojene jen plosky/obrazce, ktere nekde spolu sousedi pres mezeru. Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Fri Aug 13 16:11:04 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 16:11:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku In-Reply-To: <10925518218.20040813170552@atlas.cz> References: <000e01c480f0$fe372630$02086b0a@atintel> <20040813150456.GJ603@beton.cybernet.src> <10925518218.20040813170552@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <411CDA08.1090204@sattnet.cz> Ve sberu pocinovany s nejvetsi pravdepodobnosti nikdy nenajdes :-). Ale=9A P=F8=EDhoda napsal(a): >Da se nejak lehce poznat pocinovany plech? Nebo se bavime o >nepocinovanem? > >Alex > -=20 Regards, David Sedl=E1=E8ek http://web.wifistar.net From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 13 16:11:52 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Fri Aug 13 16:12:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory Message-ID: <007101c48147$df2ac600$02086b0a@atintel> V katalogu GESu jsem nasel tyhle kondenzatory. Jsou drazsi nez obycejne diskove, stojej kolem 4Kc. Ma cenu do nich investovat? ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040813/c1b35bf6/attachment-0001.htm From frogale at atlas.cz Fri Aug 13 16:15:06 2004 From: frogale at atlas.cz (=?Windows-1250?B?QWxlmiBQ+O1ob2Rh?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 16:18:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kondenzatory Message-ID: <3826071968.20040813171506@atlas.cz> Da se nejak lehce poznat (treba jen multimetrem) jestli jsou keramicky kondenzatory vporadku? Alex From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 13 16:22:28 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Fri Aug 13 16:23:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kondenzatory References: <3826071968.20040813171506@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <000601c48149$590d0e00$02086b0a@atintel> No pokud mas na multimetru mereni kondenzatoru a nebo "zkrat metrem" :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleš Příhoda" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:15 PM Subject: [Ronja] Kondenzatory > Da se nejak lehce poznat (treba jen multimetrem) jestli jsou > keramicky kondenzatory vporadku? > > Alex > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Fri Aug 13 16:36:30 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?us-ascii?Q?Gullik_Webjorn?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 16:34:55 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction In-Reply-To: <20040813125250.GD32716@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Receive power measurement using a 15 mm lens to compare signal level at a relatively short distance, 15 m. Both images focused to project die on a wall. Using sevaral different highpower leds, I got a bright but large image. Using SMT leds, smaller image, less bright to the eye, but similar or better power density on axis. Firecomms are nice people, i just offered to buy some samples, got an envelope with 5 pcs in the mail..think it is FC100, will check... Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For Karel Kulhavy Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 14:53 Till: Twibright Ronja Amne: Re: SV: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 08:56:34PM +0200, Gullik Webjorn wrote: > Hi Silvije, > > Ah, a good explanation of your experimenting... > > I do agree with you, in that some light reflected of the back does > not add to the total flux. The very interesting fact here is probably > if you can get the size of the chip die image down. I found I could > use some SMT leds, and even thought those had a lower light output, > the resulting image had as good or better power density. What method did you employ to determine that the image has as good or better power density? > > Since the receiver only sees a small fraction of the projected image, > this seems a good way to go. > > The minus in this case is that aiming is harder, the plus is once > the link is aligned, you dont disturb your neighbors as much... > > I tested a little with Firecomms RC-led, this one gives a pretty Was it FC200R-010 or FC100R-010? How hard is this type to obtain? Cl< _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hodza at czfree-ol.net Fri Aug 13 17:33:15 2004 From: hodza at czfree-ol.net (Milan =?iso-8859-2?Q?Koz=E1k?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 17:29:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pocinovany plech In-Reply-To: <200408131520.RAA22346@raven.upol.cz> References: <200408131520.RAA22346@raven.upol.cz> Message-ID: <1060.158.194.161.13.1092414795.squirrel@158.194.161.13> V Olomouci maji tabule 1mx50cm (zbytky z obrovskych ploten za 80Kc. Velke plotny za tu samo cenu ale je hoodne velik (kolik to nevim) From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Aug 13 18:01:50 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Aug 13 18:02:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak Message-ID: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Grrrr, to nen=ED osazov=E1k, to je jen napsan=E9, jak se kter=E1 sou=E8=E1= stka jmenuje .... Na osazov=E1n=ED je to k ni=E8emu. Zkus=EDm vyrobit osazov=E1k, pou=9Eiteln=FD pro osazov=E1n=ED, ne pro hle= d=E1n=ED, kde co je..... Osazov=E1k m=E1 b=FDt s obrysem sou=E8=E1stek a jejich hodnoty, ne jm=E9n= a (indexy). Na osazov=E1n=ED nepot=F8ebuju v=ECd=ECt, =9Ee je to C67, ale =9Ee je to = 100n (p=F8=EDklad). Dost podstatn=FDm zp=F9sobem to urychl=ED osazov=E1n=ED. Cipis From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Fri Aug 13 21:16:22 2004 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (P. Deelman) Date: Fri Aug 13 21:17:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <20040813134036.GC603@beton.cybernet.src> References: <411B24EA.8070503@wtfhax.com> <411B5CB9.4090204@hccnet.nl> <20040813134036.GC603@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <411D2196.5050308@hccnet.nl> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal >>conditions (loups, transmitters etc) >> >> > >@4km? Range with single transmitter 1.25km. 4km are a nonsense. Where did >you get that information? > >Cl< > > I read your site wrong.... i mistaked visibility and range with eachother I knew it was too good to be true :) Patrick From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Fri Aug 13 21:32:27 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gullik_Webj=F6rn?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 21:30:51 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411D2196.5050308@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: Hmm, if you get reliable contact at 1 km, the area illuminated at 4 km is only 16 times bigger, so 12 dB of extra SNR margin should do it. Now, is Ronja really limited by SNR at 1 km? This is not taking account of "flutter" in the atmosphere... Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r P. Deelman Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:16 Till: Twibright Ronja ?mne: Re: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal >>conditions (loups, transmitters etc) >> >> > >@4km? Range with single transmitter 1.25km. 4km are a nonsense. Where did >you get that information? > >Cl< > > I read your site wrong.... i mistaked visibility and range with eachother I knew it was too good to be true :) Patrick _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 21:59:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 21:59:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?iso-8859-2?q?P=F8eklad?= dokumentu Ronja Twister In-Reply-To: <20040628144047Z2330384-2513+4772@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040628144047Z2330384-2513+4772@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040813205900.GA1968@beton.cybernet.src> Diky, uz jsem tam ten preklad Twisteru dal. Nejsou prelozene tools a building airwire, nevim jestli je to zamer nebo jestli jste to treba nezapomnel poslat. Dal jsem vas jinak do Credits. Diky za preklad. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 22:04:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 22:04:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040813210406.GB1978@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 07:01:50PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > Grrrr, to nen? osazov?k, to je jen napsan?, jak se kter? sou??stka jmenuje > .... > Na osazov?n? je to k ni?emu. > Zkus?m vyrobit osazov?k, pou?iteln? pro osazov?n?, ne pro hled?n?, kde co > je..... > Osazov?k m? b?t s obrysem sou??stek a jejich hodnoty, ne jm?na (indexy). > Na osazov?n? nepot?ebuju v?d?t, ?e je to C67, ale ?e je to 100n (p??klad). > Dost podstatn?m zp?sobem to urychl? osazov?n?. Hm PCB to neumi generovat... Napisu jim, at to tam dodelaj. Nebo to chce nekdo do PCB dohackovat? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 22:52:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 22:53:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040813215245.GC1978@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 07:01:50PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > Grrrr, to nen? osazov?k, to je jen napsan?, jak se kter? sou??stka jmenuje > .... Jo diky fixnu to. Trik je v tom, ze assembly se musi vytisknout s hodnotama a silkscreen s reference designatorama. Nicmene rucne to nepujde, protoze se vsechny soubory premazou. Marias se souborama hrat nebudu, nebot drive nebo pozdeji skoncim se spatnymi daty pro fabriku a nekdo to necha udelat v 200-kusove serii... Ted jsem zjistil, ze se ten PCB da skriptovat, takze to zkusim udelat tak, ze se udela tisk skriptem a nejak se to zasachuje automaticky aby se podvrhla ta spravna smeska souboru. Doufam, ze si PCB necha libit i takove commandy, jako nastav defaultni tisknutou hodnotu na hodnotu soucastek. Pisu si to do TODO listu... > Na osazov?n? je to k ni?emu. > Zkus?m vyrobit osazov?k, pou?iteln? pro osazov?n?, ne pro hled?n?, kde co > je..... > Osazov?k m? b?t s obrysem sou??stek a jejich hodnoty, ne jm?na (indexy). > Na osazov?n? nepot?ebuju v?d?t, ?e je to C67, ale ?e je to 100n (p??klad). > Dost podstatn?m zp?sobem to urychl? osazov?n?. Jojo, mas pravdu. Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Aug 13 22:54:19 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Aug 13 22:55:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040813210406.GB1978@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001a01c48180$162d96e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> heh, to rad?i vytisknu a nap??u si to tam tu?kou :-) jinak ten seznam sou??stek (netlist) by ne?kodilo aspo? poskl?dat podle index? fakt jsem ztr?vil asi deset minut hled?n?m jen 100n kond?k?, co kam pat?? a pak dv? minuty p?jel ostatn? v?ci podobn? ... druhej kus je rychlej??, proto?e m?? mustr :-) a stejnak jsem to nestihl ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak >Nebo to chce > nekdo do PCB dohackovat? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 22:54:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 22:55:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Pocinovany plech In-Reply-To: <1060.158.194.161.13.1092414795.squirrel@158.194.161.13> References: <200408131520.RAA22346@raven.upol.cz> <1060.158.194.161.13.1092414795.squirrel@158.194.161.13> Message-ID: <20040813215437.GA2157@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 06:33:15PM +0200, Milan Koz?k wrote: > V Olomouci maji tabule 1mx50cm (zbytky z obrovskych ploten za 80Kc. Velke > plotny za tu samo cenu ale je hoodne velik (kolik to nevim) Tak to kdyztak muzete napsat na Wikinu. Poprosil bych kdyby bylo mozne to nejak rozstrkat do vice kategorii to GettingRonjaHardware uz slusne nabubrelo ;-) CL< From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Aug 13 22:56:13 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Aug 13 22:55:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] prehrivani 7805 In-Reply-To: <20040813151014.GL603@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> <20040813134137.GD603@beton.cybernet.src> <20040813134347.M52283@kihu.info> <20040813151014.GL603@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <823587707.20040813235613@volny.cz> UPDATE: me Jakub rilkal, ze je testovat nedaval, ale ze mu je pry stejne otestovali. OndraT KK> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 03:45:29PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: >> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:41:37 +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote >> > Je ten tistak testovanej z vyroby? Jakej to ma odber? Je stabilizator >> > prisroubovanej na krabicce? >> > >> > Cl< >> >> Ten tistak je od Horkyho, odber sem netestoval ale na vystupu stabilizatoru je >> 4,93V, takze tam zkrat nebude, byl ve vzduchu. >> ROOTen KK> Jakub rikal ze je nedaval testovat. Tak jestli jsi uz delal takovy to kontrolovani KK> ze vsechny soucastky maji spravne hodnoty a jsou spravne zapajene, tak vem lupu KK> a prohledni tistak jestli nekde nenajdes vlasovy zkrat. Pokud nenajdes, muze KK> byt jeste pod nejakym svabem ukrytej na strane soucastek. KK> Pak pomuze Twister odpojit a slusmetrem promerit podle schematu (to bude asi KK> dost zdlouhave) jestli nejsou nejake plosky spojeny nekde navic. Maji sanci byt KK> spojene jen plosky/obrazce, ktere nekde spolu sousedi pres mezeru. KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 22:56:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 22:56:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kondenzatory In-Reply-To: <3826071968.20040813171506@atlas.cz> References: <3826071968.20040813171506@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <20040813215606.GB2157@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 05:15:06PM +0200, Ale? P??hoda wrote: > Da se nejak lehce poznat (treba jen multimetrem) jestli jsou > keramicky kondenzatory vporadku? S jedinou zavadou s kterou jsem se setkal byl zkrat. To se poznalo slusmetrem (takovym tim co piska a meri Ohmy do 200 Ohmu) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 22:57:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 22:58:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku In-Reply-To: <10925518218.20040813170552@atlas.cz> References: <000e01c480f0$fe372630$02086b0a@atintel> <20040813150456.GJ603@beton.cybernet.src> <10925518218.20040813170552@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <20040813215731.GC2157@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 05:05:52PM +0200, Ale? P??hoda wrote: > Da se nejak lehce poznat pocinovany plech? Nebo se bavime o > nepocinovanem? ve sberne dostanes medenej nebo pozinkovanej nebo i rezatej ocelovej. Vsechno z toho se da pouzit na Twistera. Pocinovanej se v nejhorsim da ziskat z konzerv ale na Twistera zrovna neni nutnej. Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Fri Aug 13 22:59:37 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Fri Aug 13 22:58:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] prehrivani 7805 In-Reply-To: <823587707.20040813235613@volny.cz> References: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> <20040813134137.GD603@beton.cybernet.src> <20040813134347.M52283@kihu.info> <20040813151014.GL603@beton.cybernet.src> <823587707.20040813235613@volny.cz> Message-ID: <411D39C9.1000301@poupe.net> Automaticky myslim testujou opticky. Kdyz si je clovek nechava testovat tak to delaj elektronicky, coz je ponekud jistejsi. Kneza Ondrej Tesar wrote: > UPDATE: me Jakub rilkal, ze je testovat nedaval, ale ze mu je pry > stejne otestovali. > > OndraT > > KK> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 03:45:29PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > >>>On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:41:37 +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote >>> >>>>Je ten tistak testovanej z vyroby? Jakej to ma odber? Je stabilizator >>>>prisroubovanej na krabicce? >>>> >>>>Cl< >>> >>>Ten tistak je od Horkyho, odber sem netestoval ale na vystupu stabilizatoru je >>>4,93V, takze tam zkrat nebude, byl ve vzduchu. >>>ROOTen > > > KK> Jakub rikal ze je nedaval testovat. Tak jestli jsi uz delal takovy to kontrolovani > KK> ze vsechny soucastky maji spravne hodnoty a jsou spravne zapajene, tak vem lupu > KK> a prohledni tistak jestli nekde nenajdes vlasovy zkrat. Pokud nenajdes, muze > KK> byt jeste pod nejakym svabem ukrytej na strane soucastek. > > KK> Pak pomuze Twister odpojit a slusmetrem promerit podle schematu (to bude asi > KK> dost zdlouhave) jestli nejsou nejake plosky spojeny nekde navic. Maji sanci byt > KK> spojene jen plosky/obrazce, ktere nekde spolu sousedi pres mezeru. > > KK> Cl< > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 22:58:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 22:58:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku In-Reply-To: <001401c48145$0116bb50$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000f01c48116$441e3330$02086b0a@atintel> <001401c48145$0116bb50$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040813215814.GD2157@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 04:51:22PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > A uz mam plech i na twister krabicku. Mistni klempiri rules :) To jsi zasel jako ke klempirum a zeptal ses jich jestli nemaj pocinovanej plech? A byli to autoklempiri nebo stavebni klempiri? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 23:02:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 23:03:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister uz jede, SN75172 vs AM26LS31 problem vyresen In-Reply-To: <411AA905.5060409@jkl.darktech.org> References: <73672.251808-15557-1279210789-1092259272@email.seznam.cz> <411AA905.5060409@jkl.darktech.org> Message-ID: <20040813220225.GE2157@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 01:17:25AM +0200, Jan Kleisner wrote: > Karel Vom??ka wrote: > > > V GMelectronic si dejte pozor, oni Vam ho spravne prodaji jako > ekvivalentni nahradu. Doporucuji tedy rozebrat stare TP interface kde se > naleza linkovy driver 485 od fy Motorolla MC 3487, ktery v pohode > zvladne 10mbps.Je rychly a jeho prechod log1 vs log0 je typ. kolem 20ns, > zcela postacujici. Da se vlozit po drobne uprave > > na misto AM26LS31 s tim ze treba ohnete nozicky 4 a 12 smerem vzhuru, > > tak aby nebyly v patici a udelate propojku mezi 4+12+16 kde 16 je +5V > tedy Vcc, zkratka aby tento obvod fachcil musi mit na pinech 4 a 12 log1. > > Tot vse, lamal jsem si s tim mozkovnu 4 dny. > > > > Ja sem vcera v GMe koupil normalne 26LS31 i 32 za 18.40Kc resp 16.50Kc. > Neprodali mi vsak jine, dle meho nazoru bezne soucastky, s poukazanim ze > by je pry chtel kazdej. A tak je nemaj. :-) To mi prijde jako zcestna logika. Chtej vydelat penize nebo ne? Pokud to dela jen jeden obchod a existuje rozumnejsi konkurence v blizkosti, tak je to jeste relativne v pohode. Ale i v nejhorsim pripade se da na takovehle jednani reagovat tak, ze nekdo prislusne soucastky nakoupi ve velkoobchodu a postne to na GettingRonjaHardware a bude je zajemcum rozprodavat. Nejlepe s nejakymi dalsimi hure sehnatelnymi, aby si toho lidi mohli vzit rovnou vic a agregovaly se naklady na shaneni, cestu, postovne atd. a lidi tedy meli vetsi motivaci u dotycneho si je koupit. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 23:06:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 23:06:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Miro viac infa o 10,2Gh In-Reply-To: <411A811C.1020506@sattnet.cz> References: <007e01c35f0f$36ec2660$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> <002201c47fc9$3db431f0$02086b0a@atintel> <411A811C.1020506@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040813220618.GF2157@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* miro > > *To:* Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:15 AM > > *Subject:* [Ronja] Miro viac infa o 10,2Gh > > > > Aui forte som vlozil do satelitu.Vystup s BB som spojil s RX na > > vstup do satelitu som pouzil klasicky konvertor pre pasmo > > 10,7-12,7Gh akurat oscilator v konvertore som preladil tak aby > > zosiloval pasmo od 10,2 Gh.Vysielac som si dal urobit a pripojil > > som ho na TX . Konvertory som vlozil do parabol o priemere 60cm na > > satelite som naladil vysielaciu frekvenciu. kazdy konvertor je > > umiestneny zvlast > > v parabole cize kazdy sat musi mat TX a RX osve umiestneny v > > parabole.nemal som vela casu zaoberat sa s tym podrobnejsie ale > > viem ze vysielac ma jednu necnost a tou je zavyslost od teploty > > .vyroba vysielaca ma vysla cca 4000 za kus > > primac som kupil za cca 400korun plus sat 1500 . vsetko ma to > > vyslo asi na 20000 > > co je zanedbatelna suma oproti profi zariadeniam toho isteho druhu > > ktore sa pohibuju v statisicoch korun Hm to je zajimave. Chodi to full duplex? Jaky druh modulace je pouzit? Frekvencni? Pokud ano, jaky je zdvih? Mate treba nejake fotky? Je to legalni provozovat na danem pasmu? Pokud to je legalni, da se vyhledove pocitat s tim, ze legalnost bude zachovana? jestli to dobre chapu, nesehnatelny komponent je vysilac. Je mozne od nej publikovat schema zapojeni? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 13 23:07:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 13 23:08:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <1092247026.411a5df22107e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20040810180505Z1305081-29443+92233@mail.centrum.cz> <1092247026.411a5df22107e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040813220724.GG2157@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 07:57:06PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Jo diody kdyz jsou otocene, tak to chodi nejak do zhruba 5cm, kdy osvetleni > staci prepolarizovat diodu. > A taky sem asi debugoval starej Skontorpuv plosnak na RX. Mozna ze budes Jakube > velice mile prekvapen vysledkem. O jakou nalezenou bugu se jednalo? Cl< From tristram at wtfhax.com Sat Aug 14 01:13:38 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Sat Aug 14 01:14:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <20040813150223.GI603@beton.cybernet.src> References: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> <1203.203.96.151.42.1092348276.squirrel@203.96.151.42> <20040813150223.GI603@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <411D5932.6000902@wtfhax.com> What sort of funding would you require to help speed along the 100mbit project, what other projects that may be of intrest are you currently working on? I'm more than willing to put in $10k-$20k Koruny if i'm able to get a decent range 100mbit plans out of it Regards Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:04:36AM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: > > >>>From that data the link is 1.25k with 4km vis, is there any possablity of >>a usable 4km link? also if anyone gots any links to possablity of 100m >>gear that would be great >> >> > >100mbps is planned however other designs have priority before this. > >Cl< > > From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Sat Aug 14 01:30:02 2004 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (Jan Kleisner) Date: Sat Aug 14 01:23:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister uz jede, SN75172 vs AM26LS31 problem vyresen In-Reply-To: <20040813220225.GE2157@beton.cybernet.src> References: <73672.251808-15557-1279210789-1092259272@email.seznam.cz> <411AA905.5060409@jkl.darktech.org> <20040813220225.GE2157@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <411D5D0A.7020603@jkl.darktech.org> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>Ja sem vcera v GMe koupil normalne 26LS31 i 32 za 18.40Kc resp 16.50Kc. >>Neprodali mi vsak jine, dle meho nazoru bezne soucastky, s poukazanim ze >>by je pry chtel kazdej. A tak je nemaj. :-) > > > To mi prijde jako zcestna logika. Chtej vydelat penize nebo ne? Pokud to dela > jen jeden obchod a existuje rozumnejsi konkurence v blizkosti, tak je to jeste > relativne v pohode. > Logika to zcestna je, o tom zadna. Ovsem prodavacu v GMe. Me to stalo hodinu cesty jinam, oni prisli o vydelek. Mimochodem musi jim byt zcela zjevny zvyseny zajem o nektere soucastky. Pri poctu 50-100 twisteru se u tech exotictejsich projevi 'vitr' na sklade. Ale to netreba resit, pac me neprodali ani 220nF kondy. Nemam s GMe dlouhodobe dobre zkusenosti. From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Aug 14 01:35:04 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Aug 14 01:35:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <200408140235.05722.ladmanj@volny.cz> Co mi nejvic chybelo pri osazovani twisteru byl naprosto standardni seznam= =20 soucastek setrideny podle hodnot se seznamem pozic na kterych se ta dana=20 soucastka opakuje - kazdy z programu, co jsem kdy videl, to umi vygenerovat. Takhle jsme to museli hledat a odskrtavat ve schematu a to je tak trochu=20 blesmrt. Jakub Ladman On Friday 13 August 2004 19:01, Cipis wrote: > Grrrr, to nen=ED osazov=E1k, to je jen napsan=E9, jak se kter=E1 sou=E8= =E1stka jmenuje > .... > Na osazov=E1n=ED je to k ni=E8emu. > Zkus=EDm vyrobit osazov=E1k, pou=9Eiteln=FD pro osazov=E1n=ED, ne pro hle= d=E1n=ED, kde co > je..... > Osazov=E1k m=E1 b=FDt s obrysem sou=E8=E1stek a jejich hodnoty, ne jm=E9n= a (indexy). > Na osazov=E1n=ED nepot=F8ebuju v=ECd=ECt, =9Ee je to C67, ale =9Ee je to = 100n (p=F8=EDklad). > Dost podstatn=FDm zp=F9sobem to urychl=ED osazov=E1n=ED. > > Cipis > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 07:25:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 07:26:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411D5932.6000902@wtfhax.com> References: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> <1203.203.96.151.42.1092348276.squirrel@203.96.151.42> <20040813150223.GI603@beton.cybernet.src> <411D5932.6000902@wtfhax.com> Message-ID: <20040814062530.GA180@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:13:38PM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: > What sort of funding would you require to help speed along the 100mbit > project, what other projects that may be of intrest are you currently > working on? I don't know now yet - the cost will be determined according to how much work the designs are going to be and how much material it is going to cost. Now I think I will finish the Trinitrack PCBs that are already almost prepared for sending to factory and then do TX PCB because Jakub Horky said people are desperately wanting that. The TX can be done during the 21 days that the manufacture of Trinitrack PCBs takes. After that, RX PCB or Lucifer, then Firefly (laser 10Mbps transmitter), then probably 100Mbps electronics. Cl< From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat Aug 14 07:29:05 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sat Aug 14 07:29:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <200408140235.05722.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040814062905.GA1434@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 02:35:04AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Co mi nejvic chybelo pri osazovani twisteru byl naprosto standardni seznam > soucastek setrideny podle hodnot se seznamem pozic na kterych se ta dana > soucastka opakuje - kazdy z programu, co jsem kdy videl, to umi vygenerovat. > Takhle jsme to museli hledat a odskrtavat ve schematu a to je tak trochu > blesmrt. sort -k 2 twister_1.net -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 14 07:35:16 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 14 07:35:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku References: <000f01c48116$441e3330$02086b0a@atintel><001401c48145$0116bb50$02086b0a@atintel> <20040813215814.GD2157@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004901c481c8$dc9d5fc0$02086b0a@atintel> Zasel jsem do mistniho klempirstvi a zeptal se jich jestli nemaj medenej plech. Oni ze maj a to 0.55mm tlustej. Pak mi bez problemu narezali kolik jsem potreboval :) Byli to ty stavebni klempiri :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Plech na krabicku > On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 04:51:22PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > A uz mam plech i na twister krabicku. Mistni klempiri rules :) > > To jsi zasel jako ke klempirum a zeptal ses jich jestli nemaj pocinovanej > plech? > > A byli to autoklempiri nebo stavebni klempiri? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 07:59:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 07:59:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <001a01c48180$162d96e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040813210406.GB1978@beton.cybernet.src> <001a01c48180$162d96e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040814065916.GB180@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 11:54:19PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > heh, to rad?i vytisknu a nap??u si to tam tu?kou :-) > jinak ten seznam sou??stek (netlist) by ne?kodilo aspo? poskl?dat podle > index? > fakt jsem ztr?vil asi deset minut hled?n?m jen 100n kond?k?, co kam pat?? a > pak dv? minuty p?jel > ostatn? v?ci podobn? ... > druhej kus je rychlej??, proto?e m?? mustr :-) > a stejnak jsem to nestihl ... Diky, uz jsem to tam dodelal: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister_1.net Napsal jsem na to takovejhle skript: #!/bin/bash tempname=sort_1_$$ count=`cat $1 | wc -l` count=`expr $count - 1` head -n 1 $1 > $tempname head -n 1 $1 | tr '[:print:]' '-' >> $tempname cat $1 | tail -n $count | sort >> $tempname mv $tempname $1 Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 08:00:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 08:00:41 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] RE: Beam divergence reduction In-Reply-To: References: <20040813125250.GD32716@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040814070004.GC180@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 05:36:30PM +0200, Gullik Webjorn wrote: > Receive power measurement using a 15 mm lens to compare signal level > at a relatively short distance, 15 m. Both images focused to project > die on a wall. Using sevaral different highpower leds, I got a bright > but large image. Using SMT leds, smaller image, less bright to the eye, > but similar or better power density on axis. > > Firecomms are nice people, i just offered to buy some samples, got > an envelope with 5 pcs in the mail..think it is FC100, will check... Do they send free samples? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 08:02:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 08:03:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory In-Reply-To: <007101c48147$df2ac600$02086b0a@atintel> References: <007101c48147$df2ac600$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040814070235.GD180@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 05:11:52PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > V katalogu GESu jsem nasel tyhle kondenzatory. Jsou drazsi nez obycejne > diskove, stojej kolem 4Kc. Ma cenu do nich investovat? A v cem se maji lisit od diskovych keramickych? Nevypadaji jako ty zlute (ne ty oranzove) na tehle fotce?: http://images.twibright.com/tns/ee0.html Cl< > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 14 08:05:21 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 14 08:06:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory References: <007101c48147$df2ac600$02086b0a@atintel> <20040814070235.GD180@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <005c01c481cd$105b8a90$02086b0a@atintel> Ja se v tech parametrech zase tolik nevyznam, vsak si je tam najdi sam, je tam i datasheet. Ja jsem akorat vycetl ze maji lepsi toleranci :) Nejsou oranzove, ale modre. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory > On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 05:11:52PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > V katalogu GESu jsem nasel tyhle kondenzatory. Jsou drazsi nez obycejne > > diskove, stojej kolem 4Kc. Ma cenu do nich investovat? > > A v cem se maji lisit od diskovych keramickych? Nevypadaji jako ty zlute > (ne ty oranzove) na tehle fotce?: > http://images.twibright.com/tns/ee0.html > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 08:08:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 08:09:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka In-Reply-To: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040814070824.GA843@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 01:53:08AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > Tak tu zase pisu nejaky postreh ze zamerovani :) > O co jsme se obohatili :) > > Mno TXko se ladi krasne na odrazky a potom na jemno Ocima na druhe strane jak je znamo :) > ale RXko .. na to mam takovou vychytavku :) > Priklad : mam hlavici na RX o vnitrnim prumeru 10 cm ze zbytku nepouzite hlavice sem udelal prouzek trubky o vnejsim prumeru cca 10 cm rasi o mm mene .. :) > Na ten prouzek trubky sem si izolackou prichytil tenky prusvitny papir . a udelal z toho takovy bubinek nebo tamburina nebo jak se to jmenuje ( snad to kazdy pochopi ) > Bubinek sem umistil do hlavice s zhruba odhadl ohnisko ledky .. > Pri hrubem namireni se mi u cervenych ledek objevilo na papiru bubinku > cervene kolecko ktere sem uz jen vystredil pomoci sroubu na drzaku :-) > slo to rychle :) Ja to delam tak, ze se kouknu podel trubky a to clovek vidi, kterym smerem to smeruje. Pak s tim trochu zasmrdla a chytne vetsinou signal. Je ta tecka videt i ve dne a nebo jenom v noci? Muzes nejak blize specifikovat jak presne se ten bubinek ma udelat aby drzel pohromade a jaky kramy na to jsou potreba? Neni mi treba jasny jak se zpusobi, aby odrezek trubky sel vlozit do te same trubky. Mohlo by se to eventualne dat do navodu jako optional. Cl< From steebe at seznam.cz Sat Aug 14 08:31:11 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sat Aug 14 08:32:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <20040814070824.GA843@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000c01c481d0$afdea040$0581000a@steebe> OOOO tak dalsi polozka do meho seznamu :)) Mno mam 2 foto:) kdyz sem to vyrabel v hospode pred zamerovanim (1 maly pifo) http://www.lemonlabs.cz/batery/2004_08_08_Ronja_instalace/ jeste bych s uverejnenim pockal .. linka neni paradoxne zapojena ceka se na ethernet karty . nekdo ceka na ronju my cekame na lanky :) a samo ze i neni cas :-(( http://www.lemonlabs.cz/batery/2004_08_08_Ronja_instalace//DSCF1078.JPG http://www.lemonlabs.cz/batery/2004_08_08_Ronja_instalace//DSCF1079.JPG prez den by to melo byt videt ale pouze kdyby si zakryl zadno otevrenou cast roury (prehodit prez to nejakou plachtu nebo zaclonit rukou a koukat skvirkou ... ale nemam to odskousene ! "bubinek" by mel jit akorat vlozit do roury takze se obvod bubinku se musel trochu zmensit odriznutim casti roury . Linka je cca na 350 metru max 400 presneji na cm to budu vedet pozdeji . pouzity sou plastove trubky s decentni upravou 100 mm cocky made in vietnam za 15 Kc jedna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 01:53:08AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > > Tak tu zase pisu nejaky postreh ze zamerovani :) > > O co jsme se obohatili :) > > > > Mno TXko se ladi krasne na odrazky a potom na jemno Ocima na druhe strane jak je znamo :) > > ale RXko .. na to mam takovou vychytavku :) > > Priklad : mam hlavici na RX o vnitrnim prumeru 10 cm ze zbytku nepouzite hlavice sem udelal prouzek trubky o vnejsim prumeru cca 10 cm rasi o mm mene .. :) > > Na ten prouzek trubky sem si izolackou prichytil tenky prusvitny papir . a udelal z toho takovy bubinek nebo tamburina nebo jak se to jmenuje ( snad to kazdy pochopi ) > > Bubinek sem umistil do hlavice s zhruba odhadl ohnisko ledky .. > > Pri hrubem namireni se mi u cervenych ledek objevilo na papiru bubinku > > cervene kolecko ktere sem uz jen vystredil pomoci sroubu na drzaku :-) > > slo to rychle :) > > Ja to delam tak, ze se kouknu podel trubky a to clovek vidi, kterym smerem to > smeruje. Pak s tim trochu zasmrdla a chytne vetsinou signal. > > Je ta tecka videt i ve dne a nebo jenom v noci? > > Muzes nejak blize specifikovat jak presne se ten bubinek ma udelat aby drzel > pohromade a jaky kramy na to jsou potreba? Neni mi treba jasny jak se zpusobi, > aby odrezek trubky sel vlozit do te same trubky. Mohlo by se to eventualne dat > do navodu jako optional. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 08:40:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 08:41:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister nejede:lze nahradit AM26LS31 obvodem SN75172 ??? In-Reply-To: <20040811080900.GA12037@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <81753.846161-15550-1149873600-1092164273@email.seznam.cz> <20040811080900.GA12037@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040814074031.GA886@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 10:09:00AM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 08:57:53PM +0200, Karel Vomka wrote: > > Nemate nekdo zkusenosti jak nahradit ve twisterovi neustale nedostupny obvod AM26LS31? > > Nasel jsem ekvivalent SN75172, je plne nahrazujici, > > jen ze snad ma navic proudovou a tepelnou ochranu, > > Me prodali SN75172 v GMku misto AM26LS31, aniz by me o tom rekli, takze kdyz > jsem prisel domu, tak jsem se divil, co to tam mam za obvod. Jeste jsem to s > nim nezkousel, protoze jsem nevedel, zda to ma byt ekvivalent, nebo zda se > proste spletli. Ekvivalent to neni, nekdo tu experimentalne ozkousel ze to s nim nefunguje a i podle datasheetu to nemuze fungovat. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 08:41:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 08:42:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka In-Reply-To: <200408110905.41791.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <200408110905.41791.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040814074157.GB886@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 09:05:41AM +0200, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Upresnuji, na obrazku > "http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/beharovice/Ronja > 047.jpg" > > Je videt ta matnice v pravem hornim rohu polozena na pneumatice. Z jakeho materialu jsou ty 2 mezikruzi a jakym zpusobem byly vyrobeny? Cl< From steebe at seznam.cz Sat Aug 14 08:47:57 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sat Aug 14 08:48:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe><002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen><200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz><200408110905.41791.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20040814074157.GB886@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003301c481d3$06137ec0$0581000a@steebe> Oprava linku : http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/beharovice/Ronja%20047.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 09:05:41AM +0200, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > Upresnuji, na obrazku > > "http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/beharovice/Ron ja > > 047.jpg" > > > > Je videt ta matnice v pravem hornim rohu polozena na pneumatice. > > Z jakeho materialu jsou ty 2 mezikruzi a jakym zpusobem byly vyrobeny? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 08:55:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 08:55:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezname fotky Message-ID: <20040814075505.GA999@beton.cybernet.src> Nevite prosimvas nekdo ci jsou tyhle fotky? Nejak je tu mam a nevim kam prijdou: http://ronja.twibright.com/viktor/PICT0173.JPG az 0179 Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Sat Aug 14 09:24:13 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sat Aug 14 09:23:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Nezname fotky In-Reply-To: <20040814075505.GA999@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040814075505.GA999@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1865412170.20040814102413@volny.cz> Kdo je Viktor nevim, ale sazim ze je to spoj "Luziny". OndraT KK> Nevite prosimvas nekdo ci jsou tyhle fotky? Nejak je tu mam a nevim kam KK> prijdou: KK> http://ronja.twibright.com/viktor/PICT0173.JPG az 0179 KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Sat Aug 14 10:07:39 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gullik_Webj=F6rn?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 10:06:00 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the other hand, if you can increase power output by 16 that should work out the same.. Best strategy is probably dividing up the power by smaller improvements at each possible place: 1 Increase transmit lens size by 2 , or mount four LED?s with lenses in a box driven by same electronics. This is a factor 4 power density 2 Increase receive lens size by 2, or mount four PD/preamp units in a box, and add signals together. 4x4 = 16, you still end up with something roughly 40 x 40 x 50 cm which is bigger and requires larger mounts, but still within reasonable bounds. Lenses with > 250 mm dia are probably hard and expensive to get. Does anyone know of spherical mirrors that size?? Maybee a reflector from a "stage light" (spotlight)?? Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r Gullik Webj?rn Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:32 Till: Twibright Ronja ?mne: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? Hmm, if you get reliable contact at 1 km, the area illuminated at 4 km is only 16 times bigger, so 12 dB of extra SNR margin should do it. Now, is Ronja really limited by SNR at 1 km? This is not taking account of "flutter" in the atmosphere... Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r P. Deelman Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:16 Till: Twibright Ronja ?mne: Re: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal >>conditions (loups, transmitters etc) >> >> > >@4km? Range with single transmitter 1.25km. 4km are a nonsense. Where did >you get that information? > >Cl< > > I read your site wrong.... i mistaked visibility and range with eachother I knew it was too good to be true :) Patrick _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Aug 14 10:06:09 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Aug 14 10:06:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory In-Reply-To: <005c01c481cd$105b8a90$02086b0a@atintel> References: <007101c48147$df2ac600$02086b0a@atintel> <20040814070235.GD180@beton.cybernet.src> <005c01c481cd$105b8a90$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <1092474369.411dd601a9085@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Vrele doporucuju tyhle modre pouzit do RXu. Na rozdil od hnedejch tam maj aspon nejaky vyznam. (Maj mnohem vyssi vlastni rezonancni frekvenci) Quoting Milan Korda : > Ja se v tech parametrech zase tolik nevyznam, vsak si je tam najdi sam, je > tam i datasheet. Ja jsem akorat vycetl ze maji lepsi toleranci :) Nejsou > oranzove, ale modre. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 05:11:52PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > > V katalogu GESu jsem nasel tyhle kondenzatory. Jsou drazsi nez obycejne > > > diskove, stojej kolem 4Kc. Ma cenu do nich investovat? > > > > A v cem se maji lisit od diskovych keramickych? Nevypadaji jako ty zlute > > (ne ty oranzove) na tehle fotce?: > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/ee0.html > > > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 10:09:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 10:10:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka In-Reply-To: <000c01c481d0$afdea040$0581000a@steebe> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <20040814070824.GA843@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c481d0$afdea040$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <20040814090953.GA26868@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 09:31:11AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > OOOO tak dalsi polozka do meho seznamu :)) > Mno mam 2 foto:) kdyz sem to vyrabel v hospode pred zamerovanim (1 maly > pifo) http://www.lemonlabs.cz/batery/2004_08_08_Ronja_instalace/ > jeste bych s uverejnenim pockal .. linka neni paradoxne zapojena ceka se > na ethernet karty . nekdo ceka na ronju my cekame na lanky :) a samo ze i > neni cas :-(( > http://www.lemonlabs.cz/batery/2004_08_08_Ronja_instalace//DSCF1078.JPG > http://www.lemonlabs.cz/batery/2004_08_08_Ronja_instalace//DSCF1079.JPG Jo diky ted mi ale doslo ze ve standardni ronje to chodit nebude protoze dole prekazi ta vnitrni montaz ty patky. Odkud jsou ty fotky? Kdy je muzu uploadovat na galerii? Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Aug 14 10:14:42 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Aug 14 10:15:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040813220724.GG2157@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040810180505Z1305081-29443+92233@mail.centrum.cz> <1092247026.411a5df22107e@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040813220724.GG2157@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1092474882.411dd80235b40@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 07:57:06PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Jo diody kdyz jsou otocene, tak to chodi nejak do zhruba 5cm, kdy > osvetleni > > staci prepolarizovat diodu. > > A taky sem asi debugoval starej Skontorpuv plosnak na RX. Mozna ze budes > Jakube > > velice mile prekvapen vysledkem. > > O jakou nalezenou bugu se jednalo? > > Cl< 1) Vyse popsana chyba montera - otocena fotodioda. 2) Delalo to kmitityt, coz byla chyba konstruktera. From steebe at seznam.cz Sat Aug 14 10:23:25 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Sat Aug 14 10:24:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe><20040814070824.GA843@beton.cybernet.src><000c01c481d0$afdea040$0581000a@steebe> <20040814090953.GA26868@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001901c481e0$5acf9ef0$0581000a@steebe> Kol?n sme takova mala sit v duchu czfree s 150 lidma www.marconi.cx TX (HPWT-BD00-E4000) a RX (sfh203) je hnizdo - mam jeste nejake fotky Twister PCB - taky nejake fotky RX a TX sou delany presne podle navodu krom uchyceni v tubusech. Jde o 3 Instalaci optickeho pojitka :) 1) byla Ronja ktera uz davno nefacha .. fachala asi jen 14 dni jednomu providerovi na kavarnu :-) nachcala tam voda :) 2) spojeni na 150 metru kupovanym pojitkem s rychlosti prez 100 Mbps nejaka 155 Mbps nebo tak nejak mno hodne vostry love za to urcite chteli a spojuje to radnici s Okresem 3) Jo to sme my :) www.marconi.cx bezdratova sit zasvecena myslence bezdr?tov? komunikace, jej?mz prukopn?kem byl Guglielmo Marconi :-) Jak chces muzes to tam dat vsechno :) a nebo vyber nejaky dobry :) mam hafo jeste ze stavby takze je taky pozdeji hodim na net . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zamerovani RXka > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 09:31:11AM +0200, Steebe wrote: > > OOOO tak dalsi polozka do meho seznamu :)) > > Mno mam 2 foto:) kdyz sem to vyrabel v hospode pred zamerovanim (1 maly > > pifo) http://www.lemonlabs.cz/batery/2004_08_08_Ronja_instalace/ > > jeste bych s uverejnenim pockal .. linka neni paradoxne zapojena ceka se > > na ethernet karty . nekdo ceka na ronju my cekame na lanky :) a samo ze i > > neni cas :-(( > > http://www.lemonlabs.cz/batery/2004_08_08_Ronja_instalace//DSCF1078.JPG > > http://www.lemonlabs.cz/batery/2004_08_08_Ronja_instalace//DSCF1079.JPG > > Jo diky ted mi ale doslo ze ve standardni ronje to chodit nebude protoze dole > prekazi ta vnitrni montaz ty patky. > > Odkud jsou ty fotky? Kdy je muzu uploadovat na galerii? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From tristram at wtfhax.com Sat Aug 14 10:29:23 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Sat Aug 14 10:30:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <20040814062530.GA180@beton.cybernet.src> References: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> <1203.203.96.151.42.1092348276.squirrel@203.96.151.42> <20040813150223.GI603@beton.cybernet.src> <411D5932.6000902@wtfhax.com> <20040814062530.GA180@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <411DDB73.8050804@wtfhax.com> Do you have a website with all this project info on it? Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:13:38PM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: > > >>What sort of funding would you require to help speed along the 100mbit >>project, what other projects that may be of intrest are you currently >>working on? >> >> > >I don't know now yet - the cost will be determined according to how much >work the designs are going to be and how much material it is going to cost. > >Now I think I will finish the Trinitrack PCBs that are already almost prepared >for sending to factory and then do TX PCB because Jakub Horky said people are >desperately wanting that. The TX can be done during the 21 days that the >manufacture of Trinitrack PCBs takes. > >After that, RX PCB or Lucifer, then Firefly (laser 10Mbps transmitter), >then probably 100Mbps electronics. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From remet at remet.cz Sat Aug 14 10:37:31 2004 From: remet at remet.cz (REMET) Date: Sat Aug 14 10:32:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory References: <007101c48147$df2ac600$02086b0a@atintel><20040814070235.GD180@beton.cybernet.src> <005c01c481cd$105b8a90$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <00c101c481e2$5222c960$01fda8c0@anezka> Ja je pouzivam, a jen je. Bohuzel jsem casto nedostupne (proste je GES nedoda). Pouzivam vyhradne material X7R, v nouzi Z5U. REMET > Ja se v tech parametrech zase tolik nevyznam, vsak si je tam najdi sam, je > tam i datasheet. Ja jsem akorat vycetl ze maji lepsi toleranci :) Nejsou > oranzove, ale modre. From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Aug 14 10:40:49 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Aug 14 10:41:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? References: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> <1203.203.96.151.42.1092348276.squirrel@203.96.151.42> <20040813150223.GI603@beton.cybernet.src> <411D5932.6000902@wtfhax.com><20040814062530.GA180@beton.cybernet.src> <411DDB73.8050804@wtfhax.com> Message-ID: <006401c481e2$cba8dd10$fe29a8c0@diablo> This is the Ronja WebSite http://ronja.twibright.com/ Info about projects: http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php Info about completed projects: http://ronja.twibright.com/models.php ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Cheer" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > Do you have a website with all this project info on it? > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > >On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:13:38PM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: > > > > > >>What sort of funding would you require to help speed along the 100mbit > >>project, what other projects that may be of intrest are you currently > >>working on? > >> > >> > > > >I don't know now yet - the cost will be determined according to how much > >work the designs are going to be and how much material it is going to cost. > > > >Now I think I will finish the Trinitrack PCBs that are already almost prepared > >for sending to factory and then do TX PCB because Jakub Horky said people are > >desperately wanting that. The TX can be done during the 21 days that the > >manufacture of Trinitrack PCBs takes. > > > >After that, RX PCB or Lucifer, then Firefly (laser 10Mbps transmitter), > >then probably 100Mbps electronics. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 14 10:46:20 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 14 10:46:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory References: <007101c48147$df2ac600$02086b0a@atintel><20040814070235.GD180@beton.cybernet.src><005c01c481cd$105b8a90$02086b0a@atintel> <00c101c481e2$5222c960$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <00c501c481e3$8e211ab0$02086b0a@atintel> Skoda ze z tech kondiku co jsou pouzity v ronje maj v GESu jen 10n, 100n a 220n :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "REMET" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory > Ja je pouzivam, a jen je. > Bohuzel jsem casto nedostupne (proste je GES nedoda). Pouzivam vyhradne > material X7R, v nouzi Z5U. > > REMET > > > Ja se v tech parametrech zase tolik nevyznam, vsak si je tam najdi sam, je > > tam i datasheet. Ja jsem akorat vycetl ze maji lepsi toleranci :) Nejsou > > oranzove, ale modre. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 14 10:49:17 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 14 10:49:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory References: <007101c48147$df2ac600$02086b0a@atintel><20040814070235.GD180@beton.cybernet.src><005c01c481cd$105b8a90$02086b0a@atintel><00c101c481e2$5222c960$01fda8c0@anezka> <00c501c481e3$8e211ab0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <00ce01c481e3$f75e53d0$02086b0a@atintel> A ty 220n maji jen ve hmote Z5U. Jakej je mezi tema hmotama krome tolerance rozdil? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milan Korda" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory > Skoda ze z tech kondiku co jsou pouzity v ronje maj v GESu jen 10n, 100n a > 220n :( > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "REMET" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory > > > > Ja je pouzivam, a jen je. > > Bohuzel jsem casto nedostupne (proste je GES nedoda). Pouzivam vyhradne > > material X7R, v nouzi Z5U. > > > > REMET > > > > > Ja se v tech parametrech zase tolik nevyznam, vsak si je tam najdi sam, > je > > > tam i datasheet. Ja jsem akorat vycetl ze maji lepsi toleranci :) Nejsou > > > oranzove, ale modre. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Aug 14 10:56:28 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Aug 14 10:57:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <20040814065916.GB180@beton.cybernet.src> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <001a01c48180$162d96e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040814065916.GB180@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz> No to uz je pouzitelne ovsem jeste to neni to prave orechove. Nejlepsi je kdyz to vypada asi takto: Qty Value Package Index ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 100p C050 C1, C3 1 10n C050 C4 3 100n C050 C2, C5, C6 10 1k R0207 R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10 ... V prvnim sloupci si clovek odpocita kolik jich potrebuje na desku, jaka hodnota, jaky pouzdro (z prostorovych duvodu mohou byt stejne hodnoty v jinych pouzdrech, pripadne C na jin? nap?t? atp.) a pak uz jede podle seznamu pozic. Hezky hodnotu po hodnote. Jakub Ladman From tristram at wtfhax.com Sat Aug 14 11:08:36 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Sat Aug 14 11:09:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <006401c481e2$cba8dd10$fe29a8c0@diablo> References: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> <1203.203.96.151.42.1092348276.squirrel@203.96.151.42> <20040813150223.GI603@beton.cybernet.src> <411D5932.6000902@wtfhax.com><20040814062530.GA180@beton.cybernet.src> <411DDB73.8050804@wtfhax.com> <006401c481e2$cba8dd10$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <411DE4A4.9030601@wtfhax.com> Ok, i knew those i was just wounering about more detailed info Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >This is the Ronja WebSite http://ronja.twibright.com/ >Info about projects: http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php >Info about completed projects: >http://ronja.twibright.com/models.php > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tristram Cheer" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:29 AM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > > > >>Do you have a website with all this project info on it? >> >>Karel Kulhav? wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:13:38PM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>What sort of funding would you require to help speed along the 100mbit >>>>project, what other projects that may be of intrest are you currently >>>>working on? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>I don't know now yet - the cost will be determined according to how much >>>work the designs are going to be and how much material it is going to >>> >>> >cost. > > >>>Now I think I will finish the Trinitrack PCBs that are already almost >>> >>> >prepared > > >>>for sending to factory and then do TX PCB because Jakub Horky said people >>> >>> >are > > >>>desperately wanting that. The TX can be done during the 21 days that the >>>manufacture of Trinitrack PCBs takes. >>> >>>After that, RX PCB or Lucifer, then Firefly (laser 10Mbps transmitter), >>>then probably 100Mbps electronics. >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>__________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ >> >>Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >>http://www.nod32.cz >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Aug 14 11:13:58 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Aug 14 11:14:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI patch In-Reply-To: <003301c481d3$06137ec0$0581000a@steebe> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <20040814074157.GB886@beton.cybernet.src> <003301c481d3$06137ec0$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <200408141213.58838.ladmanj@volny.cz> Po nasi naprosto otresne zkusenosti z poslednich pobytu na strese v Holyni bych si dovolil navrhnout (optional) patch na RSSI A sice operacni zesilovac na vystup RSSI, jeste v pixle prijimace (nejakej v DIL8 se v pohode vejde a je za bura) pro posileni vystupu - zesileni treba i 1 v zapojeni sledovac signalu, ale proc ne vic a merit na vyssim rozsahu. Vzhledem k tomu, kde se RSSI normalne pohybuje bych navrhoval zesileni tak kolem 3 az 4. Tou spatnou zkusenosti bylo to, ze se stacilo na kabely od multimetru jenom krive podivat a uz se hodnota menila, natoz kdyz k nim clovek pri zamerovani nedej boze priblizil ruku. Nebo jsem snad jediny, komu se to tak chova? Doma to slapalo naprosto v pohode, ale tam v ty Holyni je asi nejaky silny pole. Jakub Ladman From boza2 at volny.cz Sat Aug 14 11:21:15 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sat Aug 14 11:20:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI patch In-Reply-To: <200408141213.58838.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <20040814074157.GB886@beton.cybernet.src> <003301c481d3$06137ec0$0581000a@steebe> <200408141213.58838.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <5212435226.20040814122115@volny.cz> Jo, jo. Pri slabejch signalech a dlouhejch dratech a na strechach u mikrovln lze namerit dobre podivnosti. A pritom doma to vypada, ze to slape jak z praku. Navrhuji nedelat spoje nad hranici pouzitelnosti. :-) Ono kdyz je RSSI okolo 2V, tak se tohle resit nemusi. OndraT JL> Po nasi naprosto otresne zkusenosti z poslednich pobytu na strese v Holyni JL> bych si dovolil navrhnout (optional) patch na RSSI JL> A sice operacni zesilovac na vystup RSSI, jeste v pixle prijimace (nejakej v JL> DIL8 se v pohode vejde a je za bura) pro posileni vystupu - zesileni treba i JL> 1 v zapojeni sledovac signalu, ale proc ne vic a merit na vyssim rozsahu. JL> Vzhledem k tomu, kde se RSSI normalne pohybuje bych navrhoval zesileni tak JL> kolem 3 az 4. JL> Tou spatnou zkusenosti bylo to, ze se stacilo na kabely od multimetru jenom JL> krive podivat a uz se hodnota menila, natoz kdyz k nim clovek pri zamerovani JL> nedej boze priblizil ruku. JL> Nebo jsem snad jediny, komu se to tak chova? JL> Doma to slapalo naprosto v pohode, ale tam v ty Holyni je asi nejaky silny JL> pole. JL> Jakub Ladman JL> _______________________________________________ JL> Ronja mailing list JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Aug 14 11:29:06 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Aug 14 11:29:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI patch In-Reply-To: <5212435226.20040814122115@volny.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <200408141213.58838.ladmanj@volny.cz> <5212435226.20040814122115@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200408141229.06215.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Saturday 14 August 2004 12:21, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Jo, jo. > Pri slabejch signalech a dlouhejch dratech a na strechach u mikrovln > lze namerit dobre podivnosti. A pritom doma to vypada, ze to slape jak > z praku. > Navrhuji nedelat spoje nad hranici pouzitelnosti. :-) Skvelej napad, ale uprostred pole tu ronju proste nikam nedam From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Aug 14 11:33:54 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Aug 14 11:34:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI patch In-Reply-To: <5212435226.20040814122115@volny.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <200408141213.58838.ladmanj@volny.cz> <5212435226.20040814122115@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200408141233.54619.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Saturday 14 August 2004 12:21, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Jo, jo. > Pri slabejch signalech a dlouhejch dratech a na strechach u mikrovln > lze namerit dobre podivnosti. A pritom doma to vypada, ze to slape jak > z praku. > Navrhuji nedelat spoje nad hranici pouzitelnosti. :-) > Ono kdyz je RSSI okolo 2V, tak se tohle resit nemusi. Ostatne pokud by se problem vyresil posilenim rssi vystupu operakem, bak by byla hovadina se toho vzdavat. Jakub Ladman > > OndraT > > > JL> Po nasi naprosto otresne zkusenosti z poslednich pobytu na strese v > Holyni JL> bych si dovolil navrhnout (optional) patch na RSSI > JL> A sice operacni zesilovac na vystup RSSI, jeste v pixle prijimace > (nejakej v JL> DIL8 se v pohode vejde a je za bura) pro posileni vystupu - > zesileni treba i JL> 1 v zapojeni sledovac signalu, ale proc ne vic a merit > na vyssim rozsahu. JL> Vzhledem k tomu, kde se RSSI normalne pohybuje bych > navrhoval zesileni tak JL> kolem 3 az 4. > JL> Tou spatnou zkusenosti bylo to, ze se stacilo na kabely od multimetru > jenom JL> krive podivat a uz se hodnota menila, natoz kdyz k nim clovek pri > zamerovani JL> nedej boze priblizil ruku. > JL> Nebo jsem snad jediny, komu se to tak chova? > JL> Doma to slapalo naprosto v pohode, ale tam v ty Holyni je asi nejaky > silny JL> pole. > JL> Jakub Ladman > > > JL> _______________________________________________ > JL> Ronja mailing list > JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 11:45:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 11:45:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <200408140235.05722.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <200408140235.05722.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040814104504.GC13315@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 02:35:04AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Co mi nejvic chybelo pri osazovani twisteru byl naprosto standardni seznam > soucastek setrideny podle hodnot se seznamem pozic na kterych se ta dana > soucastka opakuje - kazdy z programu, co jsem kdy videl, to umi vygenerovat. Pro kazdou hodnotu seznam pozic je v http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister_2.net a ten je soucasti navodu. Jen to neni setrideny podle hodnot. Setrideni zkusim dodelat. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 12:05:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 12:06:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI patch In-Reply-To: <200408141233.54619.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <200408141213.58838.ladmanj@volny.cz> <5212435226.20040814122115@volny.cz> <200408141233.54619.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040814110527.GC20895@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:33:54PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Saturday 14 August 2004 12:21, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > Jo, jo. > > Pri slabejch signalech a dlouhejch dratech a na strechach u mikrovln > > lze namerit dobre podivnosti. A pritom doma to vypada, ze to slape jak > > z praku. > > Navrhuji nedelat spoje nad hranici pouzitelnosti. :-) > > Ono kdyz je RSSI okolo 2V, tak se tohle resit nemusi. > Ostatne pokud by se problem vyresil posilenim rssi vystupu operakem, bak by > byla hovadina se toho vzdavat. To by asi stavitelum uz praskla lebka z toho co by se vsechno muselo do krabicky narvat. Planuju udelat tistaky tak tam nandam nejaky takovyhle navrhovany aktivni opakovac RSSI, protoze tohle je lehce hruzka ;-) Cl< > > Jakub Ladman > > > > OndraT > > > > > > JL> Po nasi naprosto otresne zkusenosti z poslednich pobytu na strese v > > Holyni JL> bych si dovolil navrhnout (optional) patch na RSSI > > JL> A sice operacni zesilovac na vystup RSSI, jeste v pixle prijimace > > (nejakej v JL> DIL8 se v pohode vejde a je za bura) pro posileni vystupu - > > zesileni treba i JL> 1 v zapojeni sledovac signalu, ale proc ne vic a merit > > na vyssim rozsahu. JL> Vzhledem k tomu, kde se RSSI normalne pohybuje bych > > navrhoval zesileni tak JL> kolem 3 az 4. > > JL> Tou spatnou zkusenosti bylo to, ze se stacilo na kabely od multimetru > > jenom JL> krive podivat a uz se hodnota menila, natoz kdyz k nim clovek pri > > zamerovani JL> nedej boze priblizil ruku. > > JL> Nebo jsem snad jediny, komu se to tak chova? > > JL> Doma to slapalo naprosto v pohode, ale tam v ty Holyni je asi nejaky > > silny JL> pole. > > JL> Jakub Ladman > > > > > > JL> _______________________________________________ > > JL> Ronja mailing list > > JL> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > JL> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 12:09:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 12:09:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI patch In-Reply-To: <200408141229.06215.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <200408141213.58838.ladmanj@volny.cz> <5212435226.20040814122115@volny.cz> <200408141229.06215.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040814110915.GD20895@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:29:06PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Saturday 14 August 2004 12:21, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > Jo, jo. > > Pri slabejch signalech a dlouhejch dratech a na strechach u mikrovln > > lze namerit dobre podivnosti. A pritom doma to vypada, ze to slape jak > > z praku. > > Navrhuji nedelat spoje nad hranici pouzitelnosti. :-) > Skvelej napad, ale uprostred pole tu ronju proste nikam nedam Tak tam zatluc do zeme par traverz a na to to namontuj a zapichej kolem toho pruhovany cervenobily sloupky aby to udernicky traktorista, nositel radu prace, neprevalcoval, a dej k tomu solarni clanky a webcam ktera bude rovnou nahravat pachatele majetkove trestne cinnosti s pojitkem primo souvisejici. Samozrejme nutno domluvit s mistnim jednotnym zemedelskym druzstvem, nositelem radu prace. ;-) Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 12:09:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 12:10:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI patch In-Reply-To: <200408141213.58838.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <20040814074157.GB886@beton.cybernet.src> <003301c481d3$06137ec0$0581000a@steebe> <200408141213.58838.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040814110945.GE20895@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:13:58PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Po nasi naprosto otresne zkusenosti z poslednich pobytu na strese v Holyni > bych si dovolil navrhnout (optional) patch na RSSI > A sice operacni zesilovac na vystup RSSI, jeste v pixle prijimace (nejakej v > DIL8 se v pohode vejde a je za bura) pro posileni vystupu - zesileni treba i Hehe a tak navrhni jak by se to tam zapojilo. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Aug 14 12:23:29 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Aug 14 12:23:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><001a01c48180$162d96e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><20040814065916.GB180@beton.cybernet.src> <200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002201c481f1$236157e0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Kdysi jsem udelal osazovak v EXCELU. Prikladam ho jako prilohu. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > No to uz je pouzitelne ovsem jeste to neni to prave orechove. Nejlepsi je kdyz > to vypada asi takto: > > Qty Value Package Index > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > 2 100p C050 C1, C3 > 1 10n C050 C4 > 3 100n C050 C2, C5, C6 > 10 1k R0207 R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10 > ... > > V prvnim sloupci si clovek odpocita kolik jich potrebuje na desku, jaka > hodnota, jaky pouzdro (z prostorovych duvodu mohou byt stejne hodnoty v > jinych pouzdrech, pripadne C na jin? nap?t? atp.) a pak uz jede podle seznamu > pozic. Hezky hodnotu po hodnote. > Jakub Ladman > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Bill_of_materials_-_Zna=E8en=ED_hodnot_Ronja_TWISTER.xls?= Typ: application/vnd.ms-excel Velikost: 21504 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040814/2f2b2b37/iso-8859-2QBill_of_materials_-_ZnaE8enED_hodnot_Ronja_TWISTER-0001.xlb From hollari1 at gmx.at Sat Aug 14 12:51:47 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (hollari1@gmx.at) Date: Sat Aug 14 12:51:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister's utp cable length References: <20040813151301.15319gmx1@mx005.gmx.net> Message-ID: <002001c481f5$15fba340$3403a8c0@a> Why dont you just use Shielded TP Cable ?!? From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Aug 14 12:51:34 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Aug 14 12:52:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><001a01c48180$162d96e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><20040814065916.GB180@beton.cybernet.src><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002201c481f1$236157e0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <008201c481f5$0c322500$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> to nen? osazov?k, to je seznam sou??stek :-) ale taky prosp??n? ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslav Mixa" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak Kdysi jsem udelal osazovak v EXCELU. Prikladam ho jako prilohu. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > No to uz je pouzitelne ovsem jeste to neni to prave orechove. Nejlepsi je kdyz > to vypada asi takto: > > Qty Value Package Index > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > 2 100p C050 C1, C3 > 1 10n C050 C4 > 3 100n C050 C2, C5, C6 > 10 1k R0207 R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10 > ... > > V prvnim sloupci si clovek odpocita kolik jich potrebuje na desku, jaka > hodnota, jaky pouzdro (z prostorovych duvodu mohou byt stejne hodnoty v > jinych pouzdrech, pripadne C na jin? nap?t? atp.) a pak uz jede podle seznamu > pozic. Hezky hodnotu po hodnote. > Jakub Ladman > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Aug 14 13:55:09 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Aug 14 13:55:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><001a01c48180$162d96e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><20040814065916.GB180@beton.cybernet.src><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><002201c481f1$236157e0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <008201c481f5$0c322500$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <001201c481fd$f2e4b3c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Udelal jsem to, abych vubec vedel, kam co osadit ;-) Takze pro me je to osazovak ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > to nen? osazov?k, to je seznam sou??stek :-) > ale taky prosp??n? ... > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jaroslav Mixa" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > Kdysi jsem udelal osazovak v EXCELU. > Prikladam ho jako prilohu. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > > No to uz je pouzitelne ovsem jeste to neni to prave orechove. Nejlepsi je > kdyz > > to vypada asi takto: > > > > Qty Value Package Index > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > 2 100p C050 C1, C3 > > 1 10n C050 C4 > > 3 100n C050 C2, C5, C6 > > 10 1k R0207 R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10 > > ... > > > > V prvnim sloupci si clovek odpocita kolik jich potrebuje na desku, jaka > > hodnota, jaky pouzdro (z prostorovych duvodu mohou byt stejne hodnoty v > > jinych pouzdrech, pripadne C na jin? nap?t? atp.) a pak uz jede podle > seznamu > > pozic. Hezky hodnotu po hodnote. > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Aug 14 14:05:21 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Aug 14 14:05:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><001a01c48180$162d96e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><20040814065916.GB180@beton.cybernet.src><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><002201c481f1$236157e0$fe29a8c0@diablo><008201c481f5$0c322500$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <001201c481fd$f2e4b3c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <002201c481ff$5b0def60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> hmm, to by m? zaj?malo, jak v??, kam pat?? t?eba R51 na ti???k :-) jinak, ne? z osazov?k? to zji??ovat nem?? tak?e to tvoje je p?kn? seznam sou??stek, ale chyb? ta d?le?it? ??st - kam co pat?? Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslav Mixa" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak Udelal jsem to, abych vubec vedel, kam co osadit ;-) Takze pro me je to osazovak ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > to nen? osazov?k, to je seznam sou??stek :-) > ale taky prosp??n? ... > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jaroslav Mixa" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > Kdysi jsem udelal osazovak v EXCELU. > Prikladam ho jako prilohu. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > > No to uz je pouzitelne ovsem jeste to neni to prave orechove. Nejlepsi je > kdyz > > to vypada asi takto: > > > > Qty Value Package Index > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > 2 100p C050 C1, C3 > > 1 10n C050 C4 > > 3 100n C050 C2, C5, C6 > > 10 1k R0207 R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10 > > ... > > > > V prvnim sloupci si clovek odpocita kolik jich potrebuje na desku, jaka > > hodnota, jaky pouzdro (z prostorovych duvodu mohou byt stejne hodnoty v > > jinych pouzdrech, pripadne C na jin? nap?t? atp.) a pak uz jede podle > seznamu > > pozic. Hezky hodnotu po hodnote. > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From tristram at wtfhax.com Sat Aug 14 14:20:20 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Sat Aug 14 14:21:28 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411E1194.7010404@wtfhax.com> What about using 1550nm Laser based optic's? i hear this is what some commerical products use and can provide the distance, shouldnt be too hard to add in a laser hear for it would it? Gullik Webj?rn wrote: >On the other hand, if you can increase power output by 16 that should >work out the same.. > >Best strategy is probably dividing up the power by smaller improvements >at each possible place: > >1 Increase transmit lens size by 2 , or mount four LED?s with lenses > in a box driven by same electronics. This is a factor 4 power > density > >2 Increase receive lens size by 2, or mount four PD/preamp units in a > box, and add signals together. > >4x4 = 16, you still end up with something roughly 40 x 40 x 50 cm which is >bigger and requires larger mounts, but still within reasonable bounds. > >Lenses with > 250 mm dia are probably hard and expensive to get. Does >anyone know of spherical mirrors that size?? Maybee a reflector from >a "stage light" (spotlight)?? > >Gullik > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net >[mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r >Gullik Webj?rn >Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:32 >Till: Twibright Ronja >?mne: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > >Hmm, if you get reliable contact at 1 km, the area illuminated >at 4 km is only 16 times bigger, so 12 dB of extra SNR margin >should do it. Now, is Ronja really limited by SNR at 1 km? > >This is not taking account of "flutter" in the atmosphere... > >Gullik > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net >[mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r >P. Deelman >Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:16 >Till: Twibright Ronja >?mne: Re: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > >Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > > >>>Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal >>>conditions (loups, transmitters etc) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>@4km? Range with single transmitter 1.25km. 4km are a nonsense. Where did >>you get that information? >> >>Cl< >> >> >> >> >I read your site wrong.... i mistaked visibility and range with eachother >I knew it was too good to be true :) > >Patrick > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Sat Aug 14 15:23:03 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gullik_Webj=F6rn?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 15:21:20 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411E1194.7010404@wtfhax.com> Message-ID: Well, a laser head visible or otherwise should do it. The reasoning below changes little or nothing to Clock?s design. With other wavelengths / optics / etc you have a new system....pricewise and tech-wise. Given there is a functioning system, all that needs to be done is maintain the power budget. Clock, what do you think is the typical fade margin for the recommended link distances?? Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r Tristram Cheer Skickat: den 14 augusti 2004 15:20 Till: Twibright Ronja ?mne: Re: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? What about using 1550nm Laser based optic's? i hear this is what some commerical products use and can provide the distance, shouldnt be too hard to add in a laser hear for it would it? Gullik Webj?rn wrote: >On the other hand, if you can increase power output by 16 that should >work out the same.. > >Best strategy is probably dividing up the power by smaller improvements >at each possible place: > >1 Increase transmit lens size by 2 , or mount four LED?s with lenses > in a box driven by same electronics. This is a factor 4 power > density > >2 Increase receive lens size by 2, or mount four PD/preamp units in a > box, and add signals together. > >4x4 = 16, you still end up with something roughly 40 x 40 x 50 cm which is >bigger and requires larger mounts, but still within reasonable bounds. > >Lenses with > 250 mm dia are probably hard and expensive to get. Does >anyone know of spherical mirrors that size?? Maybee a reflector from >a "stage light" (spotlight)?? > >Gullik > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net >[mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r >Gullik Webj?rn >Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:32 >Till: Twibright Ronja >?mne: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > >Hmm, if you get reliable contact at 1 km, the area illuminated >at 4 km is only 16 times bigger, so 12 dB of extra SNR margin >should do it. Now, is Ronja really limited by SNR at 1 km? > >This is not taking account of "flutter" in the atmosphere... > >Gullik > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net >[mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r >P. Deelman >Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:16 >Till: Twibright Ronja >?mne: Re: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > >Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > > >>>Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal >>>conditions (loups, transmitters etc) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>@4km? Range with single transmitter 1.25km. 4km are a nonsense. Where did >>you get that information? >> >>Cl< >> >> >> >> >I read your site wrong.... i mistaked visibility and range with eachother >I knew it was too good to be true :) > >Patrick > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 14 15:33:17 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 14 15:33:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zdroj pro Ronju Message-ID: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel> V GESu maji zdroj MW 9110 - 12V, 1A, stabilizovany. Myslite je pro Ronju vhodny? ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040814/ab4020e6/attachment.htm From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Aug 14 16:09:12 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Aug 14 16:09:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><001a01c48180$162d96e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><20040814065916.GB180@beton.cybernet.src><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><002201c481f1$236157e0$fe29a8c0@diablo><008201c481f5$0c322500$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><001201c481fd$f2e4b3c0$fe29a8c0@diablo> <002201c481ff$5b0def60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <001e01c48210$a98f87a0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Ok uz chapu, jak jsi to myslel. No na Twisterovi je potisk a chybel mi seznam hodnot, ktere patri treba k R51. Ten seznam jsme si dodelal a pohoda..... Dale ten soubor slouzi jako nakupka soucastek (zadas pocet kusu a je to). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > hmm, to by m? zaj?malo, jak v??, kam pat?? t?eba R51 na ti???k :-) > jinak, ne? z osazov?k? to zji??ovat nem?? > tak?e to tvoje je p?kn? seznam sou??stek, ale chyb? ta d?le?it? ??st - kam > co pat?? > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jaroslav Mixa" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > Udelal jsem to, abych vubec vedel, kam co osadit ;-) > Takze pro me je to osazovak ;-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cipis" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > > to nen? osazov?k, to je seznam sou??stek :-) > > ale taky prosp??n? ... > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jaroslav Mixa" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 1:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > > > > Kdysi jsem udelal osazovak v EXCELU. > > Prikladam ho jako prilohu. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > > > > > No to uz je pouzitelne ovsem jeste to neni to prave orechove. Nejlepsi > je > > kdyz > > > to vypada asi takto: > > > > > > Qty Value Package Index > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > > 2 100p C050 C1, C3 > > > 1 10n C050 C4 > > > 3 100n C050 C2, C5, C6 > > > 10 1k R0207 R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10 > > > ... > > > > > > V prvnim sloupci si clovek odpocita kolik jich potrebuje na desku, jaka > > > hodnota, jaky pouzdro (z prostorovych duvodu mohou byt stejne hodnoty v > > > jinych pouzdrech, pripadne C na jin? nap?t? atp.) a pak uz jede podle > > seznamu > > > pozic. Hezky hodnotu po hodnote. > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ---- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Aug 14 16:14:49 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Aug 14 16:15:08 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_del=B9=ED_vzd=E1lenosti?= References: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <004901c48211$72cf4e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? za??naj? nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem (laser). Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou s hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, ale mensi ano. Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit caste vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr vychyleni....) A coz teprv u 4km???? ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040814/1b60fc39/attachment.htm From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Aug 14 16:30:32 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Aug 14 16:31:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI patch In-Reply-To: <20040814110945.GE20895@beton.cybernet.src> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <20040814074157.GB886@beton.cybernet.src> <003301c481d3$06137ec0$0581000a@steebe> <200408141213.58838.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040814110945.GE20895@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1092497432.411e3018c6d5d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Hele Clocku neprovokuj. V mem puvodnim navrhu byl na vystupu RC clanek 100N a 100k a ten takove problemy nemel. Navic daval i relevantni udaje tesne pred prebuzenim. Takze tam misto 3N3 dejte 100N a misto 2M neco mezi 100k az 220k a je vymalovano. > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:13:58PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Po nasi naprosto otresne zkusenosti z poslednich pobytu na strese v Holyni > > > bych si dovolil navrhnout (optional) patch na RSSI > > A sice operacni zesilovac na vystup RSSI, jeste v pixle prijimace (nejakej > v > > DIL8 se v pohode vejde a je za bura) pro posileni vystupu - zesileni treba > i > > Hehe a tak navrhni jak by se to tam zapojilo. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From klapek at kki.net.pl Sat Aug 14 16:48:26 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sat Aug 14 16:45:38 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200408141748.26932.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Friday 13 of August 2004 22:32, Gullik Webj?rn wrote: > Hmm, if you get reliable contact at 1 km, the area illuminated > at 4 km is only 16 times bigger, so 12 dB of extra SNR margin > should do it. Now, is Ronja really limited by SNR at 1 km? > > This is not taking account of "flutter" in the atmosphere... Hmm, aren't you ignoring the atmospheric attenuation as well? According to this equation Precv = Ptrans * (A / Div * Range)^2 * exp (-a * Range) [1] at 4km the received power is only 16 times smaller as compared to a 1km link due to geommetrical loss, but in real-life (ie. not perfect visibility) the second part (atmospheric attenuation) dominates the equation. So, sure, one could build a link that would work on 4km but the availability of such a link would be tragic. [1] "Physics of Free Space Optics", Scott Bloom, PhD, AirFiber Inc. Best regards, Tomek Koprowski From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Aug 14 18:04:42 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Aug 14 18:05:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><001a01c48180$162d96e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><20040814065916.GB180@beton.cybernet.src><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><002201c481f1$236157e0$fe29a8c0@diablo><008201c481f5$0c322500$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><001201c481fd$f2e4b3c0$fe29a8c0@diablo><002201c481ff$5b0def60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <001e01c48210$a98f87a0$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <002801c48220$cabc02e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> No pr?v?, jen?e pak, jak to osazuje?, tak na t? sou??stce nem?? napsan?, ?e je R51 ... A hledat to podle toho R51 prodlu?uje dobu osazov?n? asi 10x Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslav Mixa" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak Ok uz chapu, jak jsi to myslel. No na Twisterovi je potisk a chybel mi seznam hodnot, ktere patri treba k R51. Ten seznam jsme si dodelal a pohoda..... Dale ten soubor slouzi jako nakupka soucastek (zadas pocet kusu a je to). From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Aug 14 18:35:28 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 18:36:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] luxeon v TX References: <000701c47e49$24e2eb20$0103450a@thechosen> <20040813125429.GE32716@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002801c48225$17294d00$0103450a@thechosen> jj GM v praze. typ v katalogu na webu511-427 L-LXHL-ND98 LED LUXEON STAR/O 1W ?erven? s optikou 10? 810cd@350mA 2,8-4V 343.00 ks optika z nej jde vyndat Glo > On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 09:43:28PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > dneska jsem koupil luxeon na testy. asi za 400 cervenej s optikou, > > A co to bylo za typ? Bylo to z GM z Prahy? > > Cl< > From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Sat Aug 14 19:14:55 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gullik_Webj=F6rn?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 19:13:12 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <200408141748.26932.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: Sorry, yes you are right, i did not mention that term, since it can usually be neglected in clear weather conditions, where (-a) normally is a VERY small number. Unfortunately, -a normally in the 0.02 to 0.05 range, can go VERY high when aerosol droplets resonate with the transmitted light. In that case even 1 km will cause a drastic attenuation due to total scattering of the light. We had experimental data collected from a link we designed and built in 1988 in Stockholm showing that even 400 m gave too many outages in a normal year for all reasonable optical powers. After spending 20 K USD we scrapped the concept.. In other regions of course this is different, due to different weather conditions,and for "hobby" purposes can be ignored.. "Reference data for Radio Engineers" (Howard & Sams) tabulates the following: Condition Visibility Exp Att factor Dense fog <50 85 Thick fog 200 21 Light fog 500 8 Thin fog 2000 4 Haze 4000 2 Light haze 10000 1 Clear 20000 .04 Etcetera There are specific absorption peaks , however none of these make much difference between 0.4 and 1.0 microns wavelength and the current ronja uses 0.65 Again, it would be interesting with a comment from Clock about available fade margin with current Ronja recommendations... Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r Tomasz Koprowski Skickat: den 14 augusti 2004 17:48 Till: Twibright Ronja ?mne: Re: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? On Friday 13 of August 2004 22:32, Gullik Webj?rn wrote: > Hmm, if you get reliable contact at 1 km, the area illuminated > at 4 km is only 16 times bigger, so 12 dB of extra SNR margin > should do it. Now, is Ronja really limited by SNR at 1 km? > > This is not taking account of "flutter" in the atmosphere... Hmm, aren't you ignoring the atmospheric attenuation as well? According to this equation Precv = Ptrans * (A / Div * Range)^2 * exp (-a * Range) [1] at 4km the received power is only 16 times smaller as compared to a 1km link due to geommetrical loss, but in real-life (ie. not perfect visibility) the second part (atmospheric attenuation) dominates the equation. So, sure, one could build a link that would work on 4km but the availability of such a link would be tragic. [1] "Physics of Free Space Optics", Scott Bloom, PhD, AirFiber Inc. Best regards, Tomek Koprowski _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klapek at kki.net.pl Sat Aug 14 20:39:55 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sat Aug 14 21:04:32 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200408142139.56209.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Saturday 14 of August 2004 20:14, Gullik Webj?rn wrote: > Condition Visibility Exp Att factor > Dense fog <50 85 Oh, when we are at it, how does the -a coefficient translate to attenuation in dB/km? From the paper I have here, I can see that: Visibility a dB/km 2000 2 8.6 130 30 130 85 46 200 But what's the formula? Sorry, maybe that's trivial, but I can't figure it out. Best regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 14 23:51:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 14 23:52:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <001a01c48180$162d96e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040814065916.GB180@beton.cybernet.src> <200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 11:56:28AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > No to uz je pouzitelne ovsem jeste to neni to prave orechove. Nejlepsi je kdyz > to vypada asi takto: > > Qty Value Package Index > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 2 100p C050 C1, C3 > 1 10n C050 C4 > 3 100n C050 C2, C5, C6 > 10 1k R0207 R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10 > ... > > V prvnim sloupci si clovek odpocita kolik jich potrebuje na desku, jaka > hodnota, jaky pouzdro (z prostorovych duvodu mohou byt stejne hodnoty v > jinych pouzdrech, pripadne C na jin? nap?t? atp.) a pak uz jede podle seznamu > pozic. Hezky hodnotu po hodnote. > Jakub Ladman Uz jsem to v potu tvare udelal - perlovy skript na generovani netlistu. Jsou ted primo soucasti navodu twistera. Viz zde: http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php Je to uz presne tak jak si predstavujes? Sorti se tam vsechno co se tam da krome toho ze 10uF/16V a 10uF/10V se nesortej podle toho poctu voltu - to fakt uz dneska nedam :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 00:20:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 00:21:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411DDB73.8050804@wtfhax.com> References: <411BDD3E.90206@hccnet.nl> <1203.203.96.151.42.1092348276.squirrel@203.96.151.42> <20040813150223.GI603@beton.cybernet.src> <411D5932.6000902@wtfhax.com> <20040814062530.GA180@beton.cybernet.src> <411DDB73.8050804@wtfhax.com> Message-ID: <20040814232027.GA192@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 09:29:23PM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: > Do you have a website with all this project info on it? Yes, http://ronja.twibright.com Cl< > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > >On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:13:38PM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: > > > > > >>What sort of funding would you require to help speed along the 100mbit > >>project, what other projects that may be of intrest are you currently > >>working on? > >> > >> > > > >I don't know now yet - the cost will be determined according to how much > >work the designs are going to be and how much material it is going to cost. > > > >Now I think I will finish the Trinitrack PCBs that are already almost > >prepared > >for sending to factory and then do TX PCB because Jakub Horky said people > >are > >desperately wanting that. The TX can be done during the 21 days that the > >manufacture of Trinitrack PCBs takes. > > > >After that, RX PCB or Lucifer, then Firefly (laser 10Mbps transmitter), > >then probably 100Mbps electronics. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 00:23:12 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 00:23:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Monoliticke kondenzatory In-Reply-To: <00c101c481e2$5222c960$01fda8c0@anezka> References: <005c01c481cd$105b8a90$02086b0a@atintel> <00c101c481e2$5222c960$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <20040814232312.GB192@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 11:37:31AM +0200, REMET wrote: > Ja je pouzivam, a jen je. > Bohuzel jsem casto nedostupne (proste je GES nedoda). Pouzivam vyhradne > material X7R, v nouzi Z5U. Aha tak to budou asi ty co normalne i obcas kupuju. Jestli jsou lepsi nez "normalni" shitovy kondenzatory co se koupej, tak je to OK, lepsi nevadej. Ronja je umyslne navrhovana i na kondenzatory-hadry, aby se nemusela resit jejich kvalita. Tudiz nadmerna kvalita nemuze uskodit. Cl< > > REMET > > > Ja se v tech parametrech zase tolik nevyznam, vsak si je tam najdi sam, je > > tam i datasheet. Ja jsem akorat vycetl ze maji lepsi toleranci :) Nejsou > > oranzove, ale modre. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 00:24:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 00:24:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zdroj pro Ronju In-Reply-To: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040814232408.GC192@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 04:33:17PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > V GESu maji zdroj MW 9110 - 12V, 1A, stabilizovany. Myslite je pro Ronju > vhodny? Ano, je. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Aug 15 01:04:46 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Aug 15 01:05:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> Vypada to docela dobre,jediny, co to kazi je, ten pot na ty tvari, protoze jinak je to naprosto bezny vystup z elektronickeho schematic/layout cad programu. Jakub On Sunday 15 August 2004 00:51, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 11:56:28AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > No to uz je pouzitelne ovsem jeste to neni to prave orechove. Nejlepsi je > > kdyz to vypada asi takto: > > > > Qty Value Package Index > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------- 2 100p C050 C1, C3 > > 1 10n C050 C4 > > 3 100n C050 C2, C5, C6 > > 10 1k R0207 R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10 > > ... > > > > V prvnim sloupci si clovek odpocita kolik jich potrebuje na desku, jaka > > hodnota, jaky pouzdro (z prostorovych duvodu mohou byt stejne hodnoty v > > jinych pouzdrech, pripadne C na jin? nap?t? atp.) a pak uz jede podle > > seznamu pozic. Hezky hodnotu po hodnote. > > Jakub Ladman > > Uz jsem to v potu tvare udelal - perlovy skript na generovani netlistu. > Jsou ted primo soucasti navodu twistera. Viz zde: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php > > Je to uz presne tak jak si predstavujes? Sorti se tam vsechno co se tam da > krome toho ze 10uF/16V a 10uF/10V se nesortej podle toho poctu voltu - to > fakt uz dneska nedam :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun Aug 15 02:46:19 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun Aug 15 02:47:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <001201c48269$a95ae5a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> mno, tak jestli na to dobre vidim a neudelal jsem chybu, tak by nejakej osazovak mohl byt na http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png nerucim za spravnost, je uz 3:45 ... mrknete na to dobrou noc Cipis From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 06:56:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 06:57:30 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: References: <200408141748.26932.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040815055652.GA186@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 08:14:55PM +0200, Gullik Webj?rn wrote: > Sorry, yes you are right, i did not mention that term, > since it can usually be neglected in clear weather conditions, > where (-a) normally is a VERY small number. > > Unfortunately, -a normally in the 0.02 to 0.05 range, can go VERY > high when aerosol droplets resonate with the transmitted light. > > In that case even 1 km will cause a drastic attenuation due to > total scattering of the light. We had experimental data collected > from a link we designed and built in 1988 in Stockholm showing that > even 400 m gave too many outages in a normal year for all reasonable > optical powers. After spending 20 K USD we scrapped the concept.. > > In other regions of course this is different, due to different > weather conditions,and for "hobby" purposes can be ignored.. > > "Reference data for Radio Engineers" (Howard & Sams) tabulates > the following: > Condition Visibility Exp Att factor > > > Dense fog <50 85 > Thick fog 200 21 > Light fog 500 8 > Thin fog 2000 4 > Haze 4000 2 > Light haze 10000 1 > Clear 20000 .04 > > Etcetera > > There are specific absorption peaks , however none of these > make much difference between 0.4 and 1.0 microns wavelength > and the current ronja uses 0.65 > > Again, it would be interesting with a comment from Clock about > available fade margin with current Ronja recommendations... Look here, if it's enough what you want to know. http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php Cl< > > Gullik > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r > Tomasz Koprowski > Skickat: den 14 augusti 2004 17:48 > Till: Twibright Ronja > ?mne: Re: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > > On Friday 13 of August 2004 22:32, Gullik Webj?rn wrote: > > > Hmm, if you get reliable contact at 1 km, the area illuminated > > at 4 km is only 16 times bigger, so 12 dB of extra SNR margin > > should do it. Now, is Ronja really limited by SNR at 1 km? > > > > This is not taking account of "flutter" in the atmosphere... > > Hmm, aren't you ignoring the atmospheric attenuation as well? > According to this equation > > Precv = Ptrans * (A / Div * Range)^2 * exp (-a * Range) [1] > > at 4km the received power is only 16 times smaller as compared > to a 1km link due to geommetrical loss, but in real-life > (ie. not perfect visibility) the second part (atmospheric > attenuation) dominates the equation. > > So, sure, one could build a link that would work on 4km but the > availability of such a link would be tragic. > > [1] "Physics of Free Space Optics", Scott Bloom, PhD, AirFiber Inc. > > Best regards, > Tomek Koprowski > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 07:17:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 07:17:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI patch In-Reply-To: <1092497432.411e3018c6d5d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <20040814074157.GB886@beton.cybernet.src> <003301c481d3$06137ec0$0581000a@steebe> <200408141213.58838.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040814110945.GE20895@beton.cybernet.src> <1092497432.411e3018c6d5d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040815061714.GA212@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:30:32PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Hele Clocku neprovokuj. V mem puvodnim navrhu byl na vystupu RC clanek 100N a > 100k a ten takove problemy nemel. Navic daval i relevantni udaje tesne pred > prebuzenim. Takze tam misto 3N3 dejte 100N a misto 2M neco mezi 100k az 220k a > je vymalovano. Tak kdyz tvrdis ze to bylo odolnejsi, tak jsem to tam dal. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 08:01:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 08:02:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?=C8esk=FD_p=F8eklad?= Message-ID: <20040815070145.GB212@beton.cybernet.src> Ud?lal jsem do ?esk?ho p?ekladu ?esk? p?eklad t?ch netlist? co p?ed p?r dny cht?l Jakub Ladman. P?eklad se generuje automaticky z anglick? verze pomoc? sedov?ho skriptu. http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building_cz.php From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 08:27:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 08:31:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?B?ZGVsue0gdnpk?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=E1lenosti?= In-Reply-To: <004901c48211$72cf4e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> References: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel> <004901c48211$72cf4e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040815072738.GA765@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:14:49PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? za??naj? nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. > > Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem (laser). > Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou s hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, ale mensi ano. > > Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. > Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit caste > vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr vychyleni....) A Podstatne je uhlove vychyleni. Pokud bude vic jak 1 mrad, tak bude asi problem. Pri takovem uhlovem vychyleni ale asi betonovy barak popraska. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 08:29:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 08:35:52 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: References: <411E1194.7010404@wtfhax.com> Message-ID: <20040815072921.GB765@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 04:23:03PM +0200, Gullik Webj?rn wrote: > Well, a laser head visible or otherwise should do it. The reasoning below > changes little or nothing to Clock?s design. > > With other wavelengths / optics / etc you have a new system....pricewise > and tech-wise. > > Given there is a functioning system, all that needs to be done is maintain > the power budget. > > Clock, what do you think is the typical fade margin for the recommended > link distances?? I don't know, it seems that 1.4km link with HPWT-BD00-F4000 is just sufficient for 4km visibility. The graphs on this page use this fact for their recalculations: http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/dist.php Cl< > > Gullik > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r > Tristram Cheer > Skickat: den 14 augusti 2004 15:20 > Till: Twibright Ronja > ?mne: Re: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > > What about using 1550nm Laser based optic's? i hear this is what some > commerical products use and can provide the distance, shouldnt be too > hard to add in a laser hear for it would it? > > Gullik Webj?rn wrote: > > >On the other hand, if you can increase power output by 16 that should > >work out the same.. > > > >Best strategy is probably dividing up the power by smaller improvements > >at each possible place: > > > >1 Increase transmit lens size by 2 , or mount four LED?s with lenses > > in a box driven by same electronics. This is a factor 4 power > > density > > > >2 Increase receive lens size by 2, or mount four PD/preamp units in a > > box, and add signals together. > > > >4x4 = 16, you still end up with something roughly 40 x 40 x 50 cm which is > >bigger and requires larger mounts, but still within reasonable bounds. > > > >Lenses with > 250 mm dia are probably hard and expensive to get. Does > >anyone know of spherical mirrors that size?? Maybee a reflector from > >a "stage light" (spotlight)?? > > > >Gullik > > > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > >Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net > >[mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r > >Gullik Webj?rn > >Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:32 > >Till: Twibright Ronja > >?mne: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > > > > >Hmm, if you get reliable contact at 1 km, the area illuminated > >at 4 km is only 16 times bigger, so 12 dB of extra SNR margin > >should do it. Now, is Ronja really limited by SNR at 1 km? > > > >This is not taking account of "flutter" in the atmosphere... > > > >Gullik > > > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > >Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net > >[mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r > >P. Deelman > >Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:16 > >Till: Twibright Ronja > >?mne: Re: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > > > > >Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > > > > > > >>>Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal > >>>conditions (loups, transmitters etc) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>@4km? Range with single transmitter 1.25km. 4km are a nonsense. Where did > >>you get that information? > >> > >>Cl< > >> > >> > >> > >> > >I read your site wrong.... i mistaked visibility and range with eachother > >I knew it was too good to be true :) > > > >Patrick > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 08:29:42 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 08:36:25 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411E1194.7010404@wtfhax.com> References: <411E1194.7010404@wtfhax.com> Message-ID: <20040815072942.GC765@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 01:20:20AM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: > What about using 1550nm Laser based optic's? i hear this is what some > commerical products use and can provide the distance, shouldnt be too > hard to add in a laser hear for it would it? Do you know about suitable laser and detector diode types? Cl< > > Gullik Webj?rn wrote: > > >On the other hand, if you can increase power output by 16 that should > >work out the same.. > > > >Best strategy is probably dividing up the power by smaller improvements > >at each possible place: > > > >1 Increase transmit lens size by 2 , or mount four LED?s with lenses > > in a box driven by same electronics. This is a factor 4 power > > density > > > >2 Increase receive lens size by 2, or mount four PD/preamp units in a > > box, and add signals together. > > > >4x4 = 16, you still end up with something roughly 40 x 40 x 50 cm which is > >bigger and requires larger mounts, but still within reasonable bounds. > > > >Lenses with > 250 mm dia are probably hard and expensive to get. Does > >anyone know of spherical mirrors that size?? Maybee a reflector from > >a "stage light" (spotlight)?? > > > >Gullik > > > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > >Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net > >[mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r > >Gullik Webj?rn > >Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:32 > >Till: Twibright Ronja > >?mne: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > > > > >Hmm, if you get reliable contact at 1 km, the area illuminated > >at 4 km is only 16 times bigger, so 12 dB of extra SNR margin > >should do it. Now, is Ronja really limited by SNR at 1 km? > > > >This is not taking account of "flutter" in the atmosphere... > > > >Gullik > > > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > >Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net > >[mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r > >P. Deelman > >Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:16 > >Till: Twibright Ronja > >?mne: Re: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? > > > > > >Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > > > > > > >>>Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal > >>>conditions (loups, transmitters etc) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>@4km? Range with single transmitter 1.25km. 4km are a nonsense. Where did > >>you get that information? > >> > >>Cl< > >> > >> > >> > >> > >I read your site wrong.... i mistaked visibility and range with eachother > >I knew it was too good to be true :) > > > >Patrick > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 08:55:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 08:55:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040815075511.GA25761@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 02:04:46AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Vypada to docela dobre,jediny, co to kazi je, ten pot na ty tvari, protoze > jinak je to naprosto bezny vystup z elektronickeho schematic/layout cad > programu. No ale protoze to je automatickej skript v perlu, tak se to generuje pro vsechny schemata v Ronje. Bavil jsem se s lidma od gEDA a rikali ze neco vymejslej v gattribu nebo co aby umel generovat luxusni netlisty ale zatim ze to neni hotovy. Perlovej skript jsem jim tam taky poslal. Cl< > Jakub > > On Sunday 15 August 2004 00:51, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 11:56:28AM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > No to uz je pouzitelne ovsem jeste to neni to prave orechove. Nejlepsi je > > > kdyz to vypada asi takto: > > > > > > Qty Value Package Index > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >---------- 2 100p C050 C1, C3 > > > 1 10n C050 C4 > > > 3 100n C050 C2, C5, C6 > > > 10 1k R0207 R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10 > > > ... > > > > > > V prvnim sloupci si clovek odpocita kolik jich potrebuje na desku, jaka > > > hodnota, jaky pouzdro (z prostorovych duvodu mohou byt stejne hodnoty v > > > jinych pouzdrech, pripadne C na jin? nap?t? atp.) a pak uz jede podle > > > seznamu pozic. Hezky hodnotu po hodnote. > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > Uz jsem to v potu tvare udelal - perlovy skript na generovani netlistu. > > Jsou ted primo soucasti navodu twistera. Viz zde: > > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php > > > > Je to uz presne tak jak si predstavujes? Sorti se tam vsechno co se tam da > > krome toho ze 10uF/16V a 10uF/10V se nesortej podle toho poctu voltu - to > > fakt uz dneska nedam :) > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Aug 15 09:17:37 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 09:18:21 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_del=B9=ED_vzd=E1lenosti?= References: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel><004901c48211$72cf4e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040815072738.GA765@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c482a0$5322bbe0$0103450a@thechosen> 1m vychyleni panelaku to je kravina. kdo ti to rek? max muze za desitky let uhnout nekam pomalu ale ne ze se bude kejvat o metr sem a tam. tomu moc neverim. to by musel byt snad mrakodrap :) ne ty nase 5patrove kuci. Glo > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:14:49PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? za??naj? nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. > > > > Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem (laser). > > Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou s hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, ale mensi ano. > > > > Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. > > Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit caste > > vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr vychyleni....) A > > Podstatne je uhlove vychyleni. Pokud bude vic jak 1 mrad, tak bude asi problem. > Pri takovem uhlovem vychyleni ale asi betonovy barak popraska. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Aug 15 09:40:07 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 15 09:40:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX seznam soucastek Message-ID: <001801c482a3$79ee3170$02086b0a@atintel> Uz nejakou chvili tam chybej soucastky, tak to prosim clocku naprav ;) ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040815/15311f80/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 10:08:12 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 10:08:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX seznam soucastek In-Reply-To: <001801c482a3$79ee3170$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001801c482a3$79ee3170$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040815090812.GB18952@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 10:40:07AM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Uz nejakou chvili tam chybej soucastky, tak to prosim clocku naprav ;) Diky za bugreport, uz jsem to fixnul. Cl< From korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Aug 15 10:57:59 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 15 10:58:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX seznam soucastek References: <001801c482a3$79ee3170$02086b0a@atintel> <20040815090812.GB18952@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000601c482ae$590078a0$02086b0a@atintel> nz :) Jeste v cesky verzi PCB Twistra chybi ten C99 BUG fix, ale to uz asi vis :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RX seznam soucastek > On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 10:40:07AM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > Uz nejakou chvili tam chybej soucastky, tak to prosim clocku naprav ;) > > Diky za bugreport, uz jsem to fixnul. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From mixaj at mymail.cz Sun Aug 15 11:50:09 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sun Aug 15 11:52:26 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_del=B9=ED_vzd=E1lenosti?= References: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel><004901c48211$72cf4e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040815072738.GA765@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003901c482b5$eafda780$fe29a8c0@diablo> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:14:49PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? za??naj? nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. > > > > Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem (laser). > > Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou s hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, ale mensi ano. > > > > Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. > > Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit caste > > vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr vychyleni....) A > > Podstatne je uhlove vychyleni. Pokud bude vic jak 1 mrad, tak bude asi problem. > Pri takovem uhlovem vychyleni ale asi betonovy barak popraska. > Betonovy asi jo ale co PANELOVY? _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From mixaj at mymail.cz Sun Aug 15 11:51:42 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sun Aug 15 11:52:28 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_del=B9=ED_vzd=E1lenosti?= References: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel><004901c48211$72cf4e20$fe29a8c0@diablo><20040815072738.GA765@beton.cybernet.src> <000701c482a0$5322bbe0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <003a01c482b5$eb263e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> Kdo rikal 5ti patrovej? Ma to 10pater. Tak pulmetr urcite, ne? A je to vyslovene poskladane z panelu..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Mal??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > 1m vychyleni panelaku to je kravina. kdo ti to rek? max muze za desitky let > uhnout nekam pomalu ale ne ze se bude kejvat o metr sem a tam. tomu moc > neverim. to by musel byt snad mrakodrap :) ne ty nase 5patrove kuci. > > Glo > > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:14:49PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? za??naj? > nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. > > > > > > Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem (laser). > > > Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou s > hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, ale > mensi ano. > > > > > > Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. > > > Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit caste > > > vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr > vychyleni....) A > > > > Podstatne je uhlove vychyleni. Pokud bude vic jak 1 mrad, tak bude asi > problem. > > Pri takovem uhlovem vychyleni ale asi betonovy barak popraska. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From tristram at wtfhax.com Sun Aug 15 12:02:50 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Sun Aug 15 12:04:01 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <20040815072942.GC765@beton.cybernet.src> References: <411E1194.7010404@wtfhax.com> <20040815072942.GC765@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <411F42DA.2040901@wtfhax.com> http://www.laser2000.co.uk/lasers/diodes/diode3.htm I'm still learning about FSO but surely the above laser would work well with some chances to the exsisting design Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 01:20:20AM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: > > >>What about using 1550nm Laser based optic's? i hear this is what some >>commerical products use and can provide the distance, shouldnt be too >>hard to add in a laser hear for it would it? >> >> > >Do you know about suitable laser and detector diode types? > >Cl< > > >>Gullik Webj?rn wrote: >> >> >> >>>On the other hand, if you can increase power output by 16 that should >>>work out the same.. >>> >>>Best strategy is probably dividing up the power by smaller improvements >>>at each possible place: >>> >>>1 Increase transmit lens size by 2 , or mount four LED?s with lenses >>> in a box driven by same electronics. This is a factor 4 power >>> density >>> >>>2 Increase receive lens size by 2, or mount four PD/preamp units in a >>> box, and add signals together. >>> >>>4x4 = 16, you still end up with something roughly 40 x 40 x 50 cm which is >>>bigger and requires larger mounts, but still within reasonable bounds. >>> >>>Lenses with > 250 mm dia are probably hard and expensive to get. Does >>>anyone know of spherical mirrors that size?? Maybee a reflector from >>>a "stage light" (spotlight)?? >>> >>>Gullik >>> >>>-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net >>>[mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r >>>Gullik Webj?rn >>>Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:32 >>>Till: Twibright Ronja >>>?mne: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? >>> >>> >>>Hmm, if you get reliable contact at 1 km, the area illuminated >>>at 4 km is only 16 times bigger, so 12 dB of extra SNR margin >>>should do it. Now, is Ronja really limited by SNR at 1 km? >>> >>>This is not taking account of "flutter" in the atmosphere... >>> >>>Gullik >>> >>>-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>Fr?n: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net >>>[mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]F?r >>>P. Deelman >>>Skickat: den 13 augusti 2004 22:16 >>>Till: Twibright Ronja >>>?mne: Re: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? >>> >>> >>>Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>Clock has Nebulus ready for release it's rated 10mbit @ 4KM at optimal >>>>>conditions (loups, transmitters etc) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>@4km? Range with single transmitter 1.25km. 4km are a nonsense. Where did >>>>you get that information? >>>> >>>>Cl< >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>I read your site wrong.... i mistaked visibility and range with eachother >>>I knew it was too good to be true :) >>> >>>Patrick >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Aug 15 12:11:05 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 12:11:51 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_del=B9=ED_vzd=E1lenosti?= References: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel><004901c48211$72cf4e20$fe29a8c0@diablo><20040815072738.GA765@beton.cybernet.src> <000701c482a0$5322bbe0$0103450a@thechosen> <003a01c482b5$eb263e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <000f01c482b8$8f10c210$0103450a@thechosen> proste tomu neverim, bydlim v oslednim patre petpatraku, to by bylo asi 25cm vychylka podle toho co? :) toho bych si urcite vsiml ;)) poskladane ano ale taky svarene pres roxory a zbytek zalitej betonem, nebo by aspon mel byt, pokud se ti to hejbe o pulmetr v poslednim patre tak si zacni shanet stan :) tam bych teda nebydlel :) Glo > Kdo rikal 5ti patrovej? Ma to 10pater. Tak pulmetr urcite, ne? > A je to vyslovene poskladane z panelu..... > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Mal??ek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > > > > 1m vychyleni panelaku to je kravina. kdo ti to rek? max muze za desitky > let > > uhnout nekam pomalu ale ne ze se bude kejvat o metr sem a tam. tomu moc > > neverim. to by musel byt snad mrakodrap :) ne ty nase 5patrove kuci. > > > > Glo > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:14:49PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? za??naj? > > nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. > > > > > > > > Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem > (laser). > > > > Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou s > > hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, ale > > mensi ano. > > > > > > > > Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. > > > > Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit caste > > > > vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr > > vychyleni....) A > > > > > > Podstatne je uhlove vychyleni. Pokud bude vic jak 1 mrad, tak bude asi > > problem. > > > Pri takovem uhlovem vychyleni ale asi betonovy barak popraska. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 12:34:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 12:35:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?B?ZGVsue0gdnpk?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=E1lenosti?= In-Reply-To: <000f01c482b8$8f10c210$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000701c482a0$5322bbe0$0103450a@thechosen> <003a01c482b5$eb263e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> <000f01c482b8$8f10c210$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040815113423.GA2314@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 01:11:05PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > proste tomu neverim, bydlim v oslednim patre petpatraku, to by bylo asi 25cm > vychylka podle toho co? :) toho bych si urcite vsiml ;)) > poskladane ano ale taky svarene pres roxory a zbytek zalitej betonem, nebo > by aspon mel byt, pokud se ti to hejbe o pulmetr v poslednim patre tak si > zacni shanet stan :) tam bych teda nebydlel :) Nebo spat na strese na 1m tlusty molitanovy madraci a rovnou s respiratorem, az si to lehne tak aby na cloveka nic nespadlo ani se neprastil, a nazadusil se prachem ;-) Cl< > > Glo > > > > Kdo rikal 5ti patrovej? Ma to 10pater. Tak pulmetr urcite, ne? > > A je to vyslovene poskladane z panelu..... > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Mal??ek" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > > > > > > > 1m vychyleni panelaku to je kravina. kdo ti to rek? max muze za desitky > > let > > > uhnout nekam pomalu ale ne ze se bude kejvat o metr sem a tam. tomu moc > > > neverim. to by musel byt snad mrakodrap :) ne ty nase 5patrove kuci. > > > > > > Glo > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:14:49PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > > POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? za??naj? > > > nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. > > > > > > > > > > Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem > > (laser). > > > > > Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou s > > > hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, ale > > > mensi ano. > > > > > > > > > > Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. > > > > > Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit > caste > > > > > vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr > > > vychyleni....) A > > > > > > > > Podstatne je uhlove vychyleni. Pokud bude vic jak 1 mrad, tak bude asi > > > problem. > > > > Pri takovem uhlovem vychyleni ale asi betonovy barak popraska. > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Sun Aug 15 12:38:30 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sun Aug 15 12:38:49 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_del=B9=ED_vzd=E1lenosti?= References: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel><004901c48211$72cf4e20$fe29a8c0@diablo><20040815072738.GA765@beton.cybernet.src><000701c482a0$5322bbe0$0103450a@thechosen><003a01c482b5$eb263e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> <000f01c482b8$8f10c210$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <001201c482bc$660c9660$fe29a8c0@diablo> To neni z moji hlavy. Slysel jsme to od nejakyho stavare. Ale ta vychylka neni tak, ze by se to behem vteriny prehodilo. To je tak pomale, ze o tom ani nevis. A je myslim rozdil mezi 5ti a 10ti patry a baraku s jedim a 5ti vchody. Tohle by ti vysvetlil nekdo zasvecenej.... PS: u mrakodrapu jsou prej 10metrove vychylky uplne bezne.............. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Mal??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > proste tomu neverim, bydlim v oslednim patre petpatraku, to by bylo asi 25cm > vychylka podle toho co? :) toho bych si urcite vsiml ;)) > poskladane ano ale taky svarene pres roxory a zbytek zalitej betonem, nebo > by aspon mel byt, pokud se ti to hejbe o pulmetr v poslednim patre tak si > zacni shanet stan :) tam bych teda nebydlel :) > > Glo > > > > Kdo rikal 5ti patrovej? Ma to 10pater. Tak pulmetr urcite, ne? > > A je to vyslovene poskladane z panelu..... > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Mal??ek" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > > > > > > > 1m vychyleni panelaku to je kravina. kdo ti to rek? max muze za desitky > > let > > > uhnout nekam pomalu ale ne ze se bude kejvat o metr sem a tam. tomu moc > > > neverim. to by musel byt snad mrakodrap :) ne ty nase 5patrove kuci. > > > > > > Glo > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:14:49PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > > POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? za??naj? > > > nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. > > > > > > > > > > Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem > > (laser). > > > > > Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou s > > > hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, ale > > > mensi ano. > > > > > > > > > > Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. > > > > > Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit > caste > > > > > vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr > > > vychyleni....) A > > > > > > > > Podstatne je uhlove vychyleni. Pokud bude vic jak 1 mrad, tak bude asi > > > problem. > > > > Pri takovem uhlovem vychyleni ale asi betonovy barak popraska. > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Aug 15 12:50:08 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Aug 15 12:49:27 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5BRonja=5D_del=B9=ED_vzd=E1lenosti?= In-Reply-To: <001201c482bc$660c9660$fe29a8c0@diablo> References: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel><004901c48211$72cf4e20$fe29a8c0@diablo><20040815072738.GA765@beton.cybernet.src><000701c482a0$5322bbe0$0103450a@thechosen><003a01c482b5$eb263e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> <000f01c482b8$8f10c210$0103450a@thechosen> <001201c482bc$660c9660$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <18910131082.20040815135008@volny.cz> Vrsek Zizkovskeho vysilace ma 4m rozkmit... Vic nevim. Ale verim, ze tech pomalejch zmen si clovekt fakt nevsimne a pritom asi jsou. Ondra JM> To neni z moji hlavy. JM> Slysel jsme to od nejakyho stavare. JM> Ale ta vychylka neni tak, ze by se to behem vteriny prehodilo. To je tak JM> pomale, ze o tom ani nevis. JM> A je myslim rozdil mezi 5ti a 10ti patry a baraku s jedim a 5ti vchody. JM> Tohle by ti vysvetlil nekdo zasvecenej.... JM> PS: u mrakodrapu jsou prej 10metrove vychylky uplne bezne.............. JM> ----- Original Message ----- JM> From: "Michal Mal??ek" JM> To: "Twibright Ronja" JM> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 1:11 PM JM> Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti >> proste tomu neverim, bydlim v oslednim patre petpatraku, to by bylo asi JM> 25cm >> vychylka podle toho co? :) toho bych si urcite vsiml ;)) >> poskladane ano ale taky svarene pres roxory a zbytek zalitej betonem, nebo >> by aspon mel byt, pokud se ti to hejbe o pulmetr v poslednim patre tak si >> zacni shanet stan :) tam bych teda nebydlel :) >> >> Glo >> >> >> > Kdo rikal 5ti patrovej? Ma to 10pater. Tak pulmetr urcite, ne? >> > A je to vyslovene poskladane z panelu..... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Michal Mal??ek" >> > To: "Twibright Ronja" >> > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:17 AM >> > Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti >> > >> > >> > > 1m vychyleni panelaku to je kravina. kdo ti to rek? max muze za JM> desitky >> > let >> > > uhnout nekam pomalu ale ne ze se bude kejvat o metr sem a tam. tomu JM> moc >> > > neverim. to by musel byt snad mrakodrap :) ne ty nase 5patrove kuci. >> > > >> > > Glo >> > > >> > > >> > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:14:49PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >> > > > > POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? JM> za??naj? >> > > nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. >> > > > > >> > > > > Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem >> > (laser). >> > > > > Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou JM> s >> > > hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, JM> ale >> > > mensi ano. >> > > > > >> > > > > Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. >> > > > > Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit >> caste >> > > > > vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr >> > > vychyleni....) A >> > > > >> > > > Podstatne je uhlove vychyleni. Pokud bude vic jak 1 mrad, tak bude JM> asi >> > > problem. >> > > > Pri takovem uhlovem vychyleni ale asi betonovy barak popraska. >> > > > >> > > > Cl< >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Ronja mailing list >> > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Ronja mailing list >> > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > >> > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ >> > > >> > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >> > > http://www.nod32.cz >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ >> >> Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >> http://www.nod32.cz >> >> JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 12:50:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 12:51:38 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <411F42DA.2040901@wtfhax.com> References: <411E1194.7010404@wtfhax.com> <20040815072942.GC765@beton.cybernet.src> <411F42DA.2040901@wtfhax.com> Message-ID: <20040815115059.GB2314@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 11:02:50PM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: > http://www.laser2000.co.uk/lasers/diodes/diode3.htm Heh the logo is funny ;-) http://www.laser2000.co.uk/images/l2klogo.gif > > I'm still learning about FSO but surely the above laser would work well > with some chances to the exsisting design What does it cost? It appears to me te don't have any price list there. Cl< From mixaj at mymail.cz Sun Aug 15 12:53:33 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sun Aug 15 12:53:57 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_Re=5B2=5D:_=5BRonja=5D_del=B9=ED_vzd=E1lenosti?= References: <001a01c4820b$a3a57fc0$02086b0a@atintel><004901c48211$72cf4e20$fe29a8c0@diablo><20040815072738.GA765@beton.cybernet.src><000701c482a0$5322bbe0$0103450a@thechosen><003a01c482b5$eb263e20$fe29a8c0@diablo><000f01c482b8$8f10c210$0103450a@thechosen><001201c482bc$660c9660$fe29a8c0@diablo> <18910131082.20040815135008@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002b01c482be$817174f0$fe29a8c0@diablo> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > Vrsek Zizkovskeho vysilace ma 4m rozkmit... > Vic nevim. Ale verim, ze tech pomalejch zmen si clovekt fakt nevsimne > a pritom asi jsou. > > Ondra > Diky za zachranu, uz jsem si tady zacal pripadat jak dement..... Jde o to, ze vsichni zkoumaji tepelnou roztaznost materialu, jestli se jim to nekde nehnulo (RONJA NEFUNGUJE anebo am velkej packetloss), ale na tohle nikdo nepomyslel ;-) A kdyz se planuje porad vetsi a vetsi zvetsovani vzdalenosti, tam se to myslim zacne velmi projevovat.... > JM> To neni z moji hlavy. > JM> Slysel jsme to od nejakyho stavare. > JM> Ale ta vychylka neni tak, ze by se to behem vteriny prehodilo. To je tak > JM> pomale, ze o tom ani nevis. > JM> A je myslim rozdil mezi 5ti a 10ti patry a baraku s jedim a 5ti vchody. > JM> Tohle by ti vysvetlil nekdo zasvecenej.... > JM> PS: u mrakodrapu jsou prej 10metrove vychylky uplne bezne.............. > > JM> ----- Original Message ----- > JM> From: "Michal Mal??ek" > JM> To: "Twibright Ronja" > JM> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 1:11 PM > JM> Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > > > >> proste tomu neverim, bydlim v oslednim patre petpatraku, to by bylo asi > JM> 25cm > >> vychylka podle toho co? :) toho bych si urcite vsiml ;)) > >> poskladane ano ale taky svarene pres roxory a zbytek zalitej betonem, nebo > >> by aspon mel byt, pokud se ti to hejbe o pulmetr v poslednim patre tak si > >> zacni shanet stan :) tam bych teda nebydlel :) > >> > >> Glo > >> > >> > >> > Kdo rikal 5ti patrovej? Ma to 10pater. Tak pulmetr urcite, ne? > >> > A je to vyslovene poskladane z panelu..... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Michal Mal??ek" > >> > To: "Twibright Ronja" > >> > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:17 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > >> > > >> > > >> > > 1m vychyleni panelaku to je kravina. kdo ti to rek? max muze za > JM> desitky > >> > let > >> > > uhnout nekam pomalu ale ne ze se bude kejvat o metr sem a tam. tomu > JM> moc > >> > > neverim. to by musel byt snad mrakodrap :) ne ty nase 5patrove kuci. > >> > > > >> > > Glo > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:14:49PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > >> > > > > POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? > JM> za??naj? > >> > > nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem > >> > (laser). > >> > > > > Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou > JM> s > >> > > hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, > JM> ale > >> > > mensi ano. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. > >> > > > > Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit > >> caste > >> > > > > vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr > >> > > vychyleni....) A > >> > > > > >> > > > Podstatne je uhlove vychyleni. Pokud bude vic jak 1 mrad, tak bude > JM> asi > >> > > problem. > >> > > > Pri takovem uhlovem vychyleni ale asi betonovy barak popraska. > >> > > > > >> > > > Cl< > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > Ronja mailing list > >> > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Ronja mailing list > >> > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > >> > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > >> > > > >> > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > >> > > http://www.nod32.cz > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > >> > >> Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > >> http://www.nod32.cz > >> > >> > > > JM> _______________________________________________ > JM> Ronja mailing list > JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 12:57:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 12:57:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?B?ZGVsue0gdnpk?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=E1lenosti?= In-Reply-To: <003a01c482b5$eb263e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> References: <000701c482a0$5322bbe0$0103450a@thechosen> <003a01c482b5$eb263e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040815115703.GC2314@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 12:51:42PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Kdo rikal 5ti patrovej? Ma to 10pater. Tak pulmetr urcite, ne? > A je to vyslovene poskladane z panelu..... No da se to zmerit asi za vichrice pomoci laseroveho ukazovatka nekam pevne pridelaneho a koukat se na pohybujici se tecku nekde kus pryc. Cl< > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Mal??ek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > > > > 1m vychyleni panelaku to je kravina. kdo ti to rek? max muze za desitky > let > > uhnout nekam pomalu ale ne ze se bude kejvat o metr sem a tam. tomu moc > > neverim. to by musel byt snad mrakodrap :) ne ty nase 5patrove kuci. > > > > Glo > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:14:49PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? za??naj? > > nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. > > > > > > > > Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem > (laser). > > > > Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou s > > hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, ale > > mensi ano. > > > > > > > > Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. > > > > Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit caste > > > > vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr > > vychyleni....) A > > > > > > Podstatne je uhlove vychyleni. Pokud bude vic jak 1 mrad, tak bude asi > > problem. > > > Pri takovem uhlovem vychyleni ale asi betonovy barak popraska. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 13:02:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 13:03:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX seznam soucastek In-Reply-To: <000601c482ae$590078a0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001801c482a3$79ee3170$02086b0a@atintel> <20040815090812.GB18952@beton.cybernet.src> <000601c482ae$590078a0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040815120244.GD2314@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 11:57:59AM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > nz :) Jeste v cesky verzi PCB Twistra chybi ten C99 BUG fix, ale to uz asi > vis :) Diky, opraveno. Ja se z ty cesko-anglicky schizofrenie asi po**** ;-). CL< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] RX seznam soucastek > > > > On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 10:40:07AM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > > Uz nejakou chvili tam chybej soucastky, tak to prosim clocku naprav ;) > > > > Diky za bugreport, uz jsem to fixnul. From phanumas at ratree.psu.ac.th Sun Aug 15 13:40:29 2004 From: phanumas at ratree.psu.ac.th (phanumas@ratree.psu.ac.th) Date: Sun Aug 15 13:41:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 1Gbps for Gigabit Ethernet? Message-ID: <1092573629.411f59bd0b954@montha.psu.ac.th> Hi All, I am a first-year postgraduate student and I am engaged to project designing free-space optical transceivers. Ronja is a truely marvellous project. The main aim of my project is to achieve 1.25Gbps, i.e., at least try to go over 1Gbps which is commonly availably in today's FSO commercial products. Anyone have any ideas for this? My rough plan is of course to use communication laser diodes (1550nm or 850nm) and high-speed photodiodes but still not sure which specific modules I should have a go at. Then I think I have to get various off-the-shelf ICs for laser driver + bias power control, transimpedance and limiting amplifiers, etc. Well, basically just employing the optic fiber technology (would it be just alright?) but I need to design optical part myself (lenses, tracking, etc.) However, I still have no idea how to interface the trasmitter and receiver with 1000baseT to complete the targeted gibabit Ethernet!! Or should I just simply try with Gbps transmitter and receiver modules first instead of going right at designing thing from scratch using laser diode and photodiode ---> just to avoid my inexperience high-frequency design flaw. Ideas are more than very welcome... Thank you Best regards, Nif ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This mail sent through IMP: https://montha.psu.ac.th/horde/imp/login.php From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 14:23:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 14:24:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 1Gbps for Gigabit Ethernet? In-Reply-To: <1092573629.411f59bd0b954@montha.psu.ac.th> References: <1092573629.411f59bd0b954@montha.psu.ac.th> Message-ID: <20040815132350.GA2484@beton.cybernet.src> It depends on if you want a proprietary or free design. If you want a proprietary design, then Ronja is probably not interesting for you. If you want a free design, you can help the Ronja project somehow on it's ordinary works that may once end up in 1GBps. Per aspera ad astra. I think we should develop 100MBps first before going to 1GBps. However if your motivation is a school project, I can say from my own experience that this motivation is usually bad for a project. What people in this case usually want means achieving certain grade, number of points etc. and that is their interest, not whether the device works or not. "making a crappy 1gbps device from a ready-made parts" sounds according to my opinion more appealing to most teachers than "moving a robust 10Mbps design on it's way to 1GBps by means of detailed work". Making 1 1GBps is not a fun and in case you didn't manage it within the deadline, you would be forced hard to make things crap. And making things crap is a bad thing. Also, the centre of gravity of ANY MEANINGFUL PROJECT is not in breakthrough thoughts, but in ordinary stupid work. And I got an impression that what the academic world wants is as many ideas as possible, even for the cost that they will be obvious and the resulting design will be crap, what is necessary that they be NEW! The whole concept of trying to achieve something break-through in the first place is broken. Try to achieve something that works and serves well, and the breakthrough ideas will come time to time without you even noticing them. Cl< On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 07:40:29PM +0700, phanumas@ratree.psu.ac.th wrote: > Hi All, > > I am a first-year postgraduate student and I am engaged to project designing > free-space optical transceivers. Ronja is a truely marvellous project. > > The main aim of my project is to achieve 1.25Gbps, i.e., at least try to go over > 1Gbps which is commonly availably in today's FSO commercial products. > > Anyone have any ideas for this? > > My rough plan is of course to use communication laser diodes (1550nm or 850nm) > and high-speed photodiodes but still not sure which specific modules I should > have a go at. Then I think I have to get various off-the-shelf ICs for laser > driver + bias power control, transimpedance and limiting amplifiers, etc. Well, > basically just employing the optic fiber technology (would it be just alright?) > but I need to design optical part myself (lenses, tracking, etc.) However, I > still have no idea how to interface the trasmitter and receiver with 1000baseT > to complete the targeted gibabit Ethernet!! > > Or should I just simply try with Gbps transmitter and receiver modules first > instead of going right at designing thing from scratch using laser diode and > photodiode ---> just to avoid my inexperience high-frequency design flaw. > > Ideas are more than very welcome... Thank you > > Best regards, > > Nif > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This mail sent through IMP: https://montha.psu.ac.th/horde/imp/login.php > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun Aug 15 14:59:59 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun Aug 15 15:00:38 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_del=B9=ED_vzd=E1lenosti?= References: <000701c482a0$5322bbe0$0103450a@thechosen><003a01c482b5$eb263e20$fe29a8c0@diablo> <20040815115703.GC2314@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002801c482d0$27a2b6c0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> no jo, ale to se ti bude giglat i prot?j?ek :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 12:51:42PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Kdo rikal 5ti patrovej? Ma to 10pater. Tak pulmetr urcite, ne? > > A je to vyslovene poskladane z panelu..... > > No da se to zmerit asi za vichrice pomoci laseroveho ukazovatka nekam pevne > pridelaneho a koukat se na pohybujici se tecku nekde kus pryc. > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Mal??ek" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] del?? vzd?lenosti > > > > > > > 1m vychyleni panelaku to je kravina. kdo ti to rek? max muze za desitky > > let > > > uhnout nekam pomalu ale ne ze se bude kejvat o metr sem a tam. tomu moc > > > neverim. to by musel byt snad mrakodrap :) ne ty nase 5patrove kuci. > > > > > > Glo > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:14:49PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > > > > POsledn? dobou se tu za??naj? objevovat p??sp?vky, kter? u? za??naj? > > > nar??et na LASER, nebo del?? vzd?lenosti. > > > > > > > > > > Mluvil jsme nedavno s jednim ?lov?kem, ?e to je docela problem > > (laser). > > > > > Povidal, ze to jejich profi zarizeni ma v sobe motorky a ty hejbou s > > > hlavama, kdyz se budova pohne. Nejde s tim vyrovnavat velke rozdily, ale > > > mensi ano. > > > > > > > > > > Tak si pokladam hned nekolik otazek. > > > > > Kdyz dam RONJU na vysokej panelak na 1.4KM, tak to asi bude mit caste > > > > > vypadky, ze? (mi nekdo rikal, ze ty panelaky maji az 1metr > > > vychyleni....) A > > > > > > > > Podstatne je uhlove vychyleni. Pokud bude vic jak 1 mrad, tak bude asi > > > problem. > > > > Pri takovem uhlovem vychyleni ale asi betonovy barak popraska. > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.842 (20040813) __________ > > > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 16:19:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 16:20:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: gEDA-user: Printing from PCB from commandline In-Reply-To: <200408151432.i7FEWYrE019610@envy.delorie.com> References: <20040815094149.GB19036@beton.cybernet.src> <200408151432.i7FEWYrE019610@envy.delorie.com> Message-ID: <20040815151943.GA5132@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 10:32:34AM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > Is it possible to program this sequence of actions from commandline? > > Not yet, but Dan wants it too, and he knows how to make it happen ;-) So that as soon as Dan McMahill does it, I'll do populationg plan with values instead of refdeses. Doing this file-shuffle by hand would be long and full of risk of generating bad output for the factory due to accidental human mistake. Meanwhile, please populate using the netlists at hand and translating refdeses to values. Cl< > > But it shouldn't be too hard to hook into the action handler for the > new menu system from main.c and invoke a set of actions given on the > command line. Give it a try and see if you can make it do that ;-) > > With that kind of change, you should be able to do pretty much > anything from the command line. From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sun Aug 15 18:06:53 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sun Aug 15 18:07:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyhody Ronji Nebulus Message-ID: <20040815170653.GA24947@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Ahoj Chtel bych se zeptat, jake jsou praktick? v?hody Ronji Nebulus - krom toho, ze neni videt? -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Aug 15 18:35:34 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 18:36:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <001201c48269$a95ae5a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001201c48269$a95ae5a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz> Dobry, jen to prislo trochu pozde :-). Cipis napsal(a): >mno, tak jestli na to dobre vidim a neudelal jsem chybu, tak by nejakej >osazovak mohl byt na >http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png >nerucim za spravnost, je uz 3:45 ... >mrknete na to >dobrou noc > >Cipis > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Aug 15 18:39:33 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 18:40:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister uz jede, SN75172 vs AM26LS31 problem vyresen In-Reply-To: <411B28AA.4080805@poupe.net> References: <73672.251808-15557-1279210789-1092259272@email.seznam.cz> <411AA905.5060409@jkl.darktech.org> <411B28AA.4080805@poupe.net> Message-ID: <411F9FD5.8000201@sattnet.cz> Kdybys jich jeste par potreboval, napis. Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET napsal(a): > Ja tam v patek vykoupil 74HC164 :-) > Kneza > > Jan Kleisner wrote: > >> Karel Vom??ka wrote: >> >> > V GMelectronic si dejte pozor, oni Vam ho spravne prodaji jako >> ekvivalentni nahradu. Doporucuji tedy rozebrat stare TP interface kde >> se naleza linkovy driver 485 od fy Motorolla MC 3487, ktery v pohode >> zvladne 10mbps.Je rychly a jeho prechod log1 vs log0 je typ. kolem >> 20ns, zcela postacujici. Da se vlozit po drobne uprave >> > na misto AM26LS31 s tim ze treba ohnete nozicky 4 a 12 smerem vzhuru, >> > tak aby nebyly v patici a udelate propojku mezi 4+12+16 kde 16 je >> +5V tedy Vcc, zkratka aby tento obvod fachcil musi mit na pinech 4 a >> 12 log1. >> > Tot vse, lamal jsem si s tim mozkovnu 4 dny. >> > >> >> Ja sem vcera v GMe koupil normalne 26LS31 i 32 za 18.40Kc resp >> 16.50Kc. Neprodali mi vsak jine, dle meho nazoru bezne soucastky, s >> poukazanim ze by je pry chtel kazdej. A tak je nemaj. :-) >> Tak sem tedy zbytek koupil v GESu. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 19:40:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 19:41:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyhody Ronji Nebulus In-Reply-To: <20040815170653.GA24947@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040815170653.GA24947@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040815184038.GB5673@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 07:06:53PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Ahoj > > Chtel bych se zeptat, jake jsou praktick? v?hody Ronji Nebulus - krom > toho, ze neni videt? No mozna jeste ze ma vetsi divergenci svazku takze neni potreba tak dokonale zamereni vysilace. Kriticke je na spoji zamereni vysilace. Cl< From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sun Aug 15 20:24:50 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sun Aug 15 20:25:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyznam parovani tranzistoru Message-ID: <20040815192450.GA3985@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Ahoj V navodu pro vyrobu Rx se pise, ze tranzistory je lepsi sparovat se stejnym ziskem. Jak se to dela (resp. jak zmerim zisk)? Jak moc je to vyznamne? Pokud nevim, jak se to dela, mohu se na to klidne vykaslat? From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Aug 15 20:44:51 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 20:45:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyznam parovani tranzistoru References: <20040815192450.GA3985@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <000501c48300$54766360$0103450a@thechosen> musis mit nejlepe multimetr s merenim zesileni. jen to tam pichnes a zapises cislo. ale ja to nikdy nedelal a taky to funguje, max prijdes o par bajtu na rychlosti prenosu. mozna. pokud memas cim merit asi ti nezbude nic jineho nez na to stejne prdet :) Glo > Ahoj > > V navodu pro vyrobu Rx se pise, ze tranzistory je lepsi sparovat > se stejnym ziskem. Jak se to dela (resp. jak zmerim zisk)? > Jak moc je to vyznamne? Pokud nevim, jak se to dela, mohu se na > to klidne vykaslat? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Aug 15 21:23:59 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Aug 15 21:23:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak na loopback pod Win? Message-ID: <1692313353.20040815222359@volny.cz> Zdravim, muzete mi prosim poradit, jak pod win98 vyzkouset Twistera v loopback modu? Jde to vubec? Ted jsem si prinesl nekolik exemplaru ze strechy, vypada to, ze neprezily bourku.... :-( Diky OndraT From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Aug 15 21:35:22 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 21:36:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak na loopback pod Win? In-Reply-To: <1692313353.20040815222359@volny.cz> References: <1692313353.20040815222359@volny.cz> Message-ID: <411FC90A.20408@sattnet.cz> Zkusil bych sledovat co tam lita treba pomoci Ethereal, pro win. Soubezne s vysilanim packetu. Ale odzkouseno to nemam :-). Ta bourka byla fakt bytelna obzvlaste tady na Vysocine :-). Ondrej Tesar napsal(a): >Zdravim, >muzete mi prosim poradit, jak pod win98 vyzkouset Twistera v loopback >modu? Jde to vubec? > >Ted jsem si prinesl nekolik exemplaru ze strechy, vypada to, ze >neprezily bourku.... :-( > >Diky OndraT > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 15 22:19:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 15 22:20:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyznam parovani tranzistoru In-Reply-To: <20040815192450.GA3985@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040815192450.GA3985@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040815211943.GA11178@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 09:24:50PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > Ahoj > > V navodu pro vyrobu Rx se pise, ze tranzistory je lepsi sparovat > se stejnym ziskem. Jak se to dela (resp. jak zmerim zisk)? Pomoci meraku na tranzistory ktery byva na multimetrech casto. Cl< > Jak moc je to vyznamne? Pokud nevim, jak se to dela, mohu se na > to klidne vykaslat? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From tristram at wtfhax.com Mon Aug 16 00:15:48 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Mon Aug 16 00:16:56 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <20040815115059.GB2314@beton.cybernet.src> References: <411E1194.7010404@wtfhax.com> <20040815072942.GC765@beton.cybernet.src> <411F42DA.2040901@wtfhax.com> <20040815115059.GB2314@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <2024.203.96.151.42.1092611748.squirrel@203.96.151.42> Ok well i'm going to talk to some people locally about these, not knowing too much about lasers what sorta specs should i be looking for? On Sun, August 15, 2004 11:50 pm, Karel Kulhav? said: > On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 11:02:50PM +1200, Tristram Cheer wrote: >> http://www.laser2000.co.uk/lasers/diodes/diode3.htm > > Heh the logo is funny ;-) > http://www.laser2000.co.uk/images/l2klogo.gif > >> >> I'm still learning about FSO but surely the above laser would work well >> with some chances to the exsisting design > > What does it cost? It appears to me te don't have any price list there. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 11:11:27 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 11:12:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kabel rg59 z GM - nekdy na nej pozor Message-ID: <000701c48379$64e139e0$0103450a@thechosen> pisu sem jeden poznatek, ne moc dobry. u prvniho ronjidla jsem ho pouzil , do krabicky jsem zapajel primo 1,5metru kabelu. jenze nedavno to zaclo dost padat. pak asi na mesic umrela uplne, pricital sem to ze ji spalilo slunce, mame ji v nejhorsim smeru asi co jde. jenze pak najela a mistama vypadaval, hlavne pri vetru. tak jsme to nevydrzel a rorizli jsme ji (je nerozebiratelna) a nasel sme tam upadlej kabel. kdyz jsme to zkoumal poradne vypada to ze se z jadra kabelu odlouplo pokoveni (zda se ze to am asi ocelove jadro nebo neco takoveho tvrdeho, je to jak struna, a navrch vrstvicka asi medi) po zapajeni se to rozjelo zase bez vypadku. tak pozor na nej. par fotek z akce :) (ze ta galerie obcas hazi error mi nepiste, vim to ;) musim to opravit nekdy) http://glottis.net/fotos/ronja/white-lady-surgery-15.8.2004/ jo a nekdo se me kdysi ptal na jestli ma ten drzak co tam mam nejakou vyhodu a ukazalo se ze ma, po sundani roury bez hybani stavecima sroubama a nasazenim se nemusel aznova serizovat. signal porad na plno. Glo From korda.m at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 13:30:39 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Mon Aug 16 13:31:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek Message-ID: <000e01c4838c$d69f7110$02086b0a@atintel> Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou vstupy/vystupy J101, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " The PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding lid must have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta prijimaci dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za odpovedi :) ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040816/0272b552/attachment.htm From klapek at kki.net.pl Mon Aug 16 14:01:41 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Mon Aug 16 13:58:42 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Possable Range or Speed Increase? In-Reply-To: <20040815115059.GB2314@beton.cybernet.src> References: <411F42DA.2040901@wtfhax.com> <20040815115059.GB2314@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200408161501.41746.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Sunday 15 of August 2004 13:50, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Heh the logo is funny ;-) > http://www.laser2000.co.uk/images/l2klogo.gif Yeah, it reminds of me the sign saying: "WARNIG! Powerful laser! Don't stare into the beam with your remaining eye!" :-) Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 14:52:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 14:53:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek In-Reply-To: <000e01c4838c$d69f7110$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000e01c4838c$d69f7110$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040816135254.GA18686@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou vstupy/vystupy > J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " The > PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding lid must > have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta prijimaci > dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za odpovedi > :) V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt pri vyrobe hlavice). Cl< > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From korda.m at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 15:08:12 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Mon Aug 16 15:08:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek References: <000e01c4838c$d69f7110$02086b0a@atintel> <20040816135254.GA18686@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000801c4839a$779bd4c0$02086b0a@atintel> Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi je jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, ale nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou vstupy/vystupy > > J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " The > > PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding lid must > > have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta prijimaci > > dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za odpovedi > > :) > > V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. > Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery > neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt > pri vyrobe hlavice). > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 15:35:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 15:35:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek In-Reply-To: <000801c4839a$779bd4c0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000e01c4838c$d69f7110$02086b0a@atintel> <20040816135254.GA18686@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c4839a$779bd4c0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040816143515.GA19653@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 04:08:12PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi je > jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je > napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, ale No to se propoji mezi hlavicema a nasledkem toho to bere napajeni z koaxu (po jednom koaxu jde zem a po druhym 12V). Budu muset na to napsat nejakej nacrtek jak se to zapojuje lidi to povazujou za neprehledny tohle. > nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on > ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? > Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) Jo volitelne se muzou draty protahat feritovymi jaderky. Asi to vyhodim ze schemat a napisu primo do navodu aby to nematlo. Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > > Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou > vstupy/vystupy > > > J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " > The > > > PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding lid > must > > > have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta prijimaci > > > dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za > odpovedi > > > :) > > > > V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. > > Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery > > neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt > > pri vyrobe hlavice). > > > > Cl< > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Aug 16 15:38:58 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 15:39:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek In-Reply-To: <000801c4839a$779bd4c0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000e01c4838c$d69f7110$02086b0a@atintel> <20040816135254.GA18686@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c4839a$779bd4c0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <4120C702.90802@sattnet.cz> Milan Korda napsal(a): >Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi je >jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je >napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, ale > > 12V. Vystup RSSI nevede nikam, na nem meris intenzitu signal vyjadrenou urcitym napetim (4-0V). >nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on >ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? > > Presne tak, koax, kabel na napajeni parkrat obtocit kolem feritoveho jadra. Nebo jsou feirty nacvakavaci, na kabel ;-). >Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karel Kulhav?" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > > >>On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: >> >> >>>Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou >>> >>> >vstupy/vystupy > > >>>J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " >>> >>> >The > > >>>PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding lid >>> >>> >must > > >>>have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta prijimaci >>>dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za >>> >>> >odpovedi > > >>>:) >>> >>> >>V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. >>Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery >>neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt >>pri vyrobe hlavice). >> >>Cl< >> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 15:43:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 15:43:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv RX Message-ID: <20040816144313.GD19653@beton.cybernet.src> Tak jsem to zapojil na osciloskop a zjistil, ze z toho leze jenom sum asi 200mVpp. Spektralne se to zda na obrazovce ze to konci nekde u 100MHz. Muzu to jeste nasamplovat udelat fourierku a podivat se, jestli v tom neni nejaky peak ze by to melo jako tendenci kmitat, nebo nekolik peaku rozmistenenjch podle Feigenbaumovejch konstant ze by v tom eventualne dochazelo k chaosu. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 15:47:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 15:48:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] kabel rg59 z GM - nekdy na nej pozor In-Reply-To: <000701c48379$64e139e0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000701c48379$64e139e0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040816144754.GB26618@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 12:11:27PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > pisu sem jeden poznatek, ne moc dobry. u prvniho ronjidla jsem ho pouzil , > do krabicky jsem zapajel primo 1,5metru kabelu. jenze nedavno to zaclo dost > padat. pak asi na mesic umrela uplne, pricital sem to ze ji spalilo slunce, > mame ji v nejhorsim smeru asi co jde. jenze pak najela a mistama vypadaval, > hlavne pri vetru. tak jsme to nevydrzel a rorizli jsme ji (je > nerozebiratelna) a nasel sme tam upadlej kabel. kdyz jsme to zkoumal poradne > vypada to ze se z jadra kabelu odlouplo pokoveni (zda se ze to am asi > ocelove jadro nebo neco takoveho tvrdeho, je to jak struna, a navrch > vrstvicka asi medi) po zapajeni se to rozjelo zase bez vypadku. tak pozor na > nej. > > par fotek z akce :) (ze ta galerie obcas hazi error mi nepiste, vim to ;) > musim to opravit nekdy) Udelal jsem v galerii adresar failure a dal jsem to tam. Myslim ze bude dobre tam davat fotky z dalsich podobnych pripadu, lidi (i ja) se aspon budou moct poucit a videt na vlastni oci, co zpusobuje zavady, jak veci v Ronje vypadaji po delsi dobe a tak. Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 15:59:30 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 16:00:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv RX References: <20040816144313.GD19653@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000d01c483a1$a27eaa80$0103450a@thechosen> zajimave, a to z nej leze s kondikem nebo bez? tranzistor je ok, ze? zkoukl jsi ho? Glo > Tak jsem to zapojil na osciloskop a zjistil, ze z toho leze > jenom sum asi 200mVpp. Spektralne se to zda na obrazovce ze to konci > nekde u 100MHz. Muzu to jeste nasamplovat udelat fourierku a podivat > se, jestli v tom neni nejaky peak ze by to melo jako tendenci kmitat, > nebo nekolik peaku rozmistenenjch podle Feigenbaumovejch konstant ze > by v tom eventualne dochazelo k chaosu. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 16:18:58 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Mon Aug 16 16:19:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek References: <000e01c4838c$d69f7110$02086b0a@atintel> <20040816135254.GA18686@beton.cybernet.src><000801c4839a$779bd4c0$02086b0a@atintel> <4120C702.90802@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <002001c483a4$5a5b61f0$02086b0a@atintel> Dik moc. Takze J104 a J105 tam jsou pouze pro mereni sily signalu :) Je to tak, ze cim vetsi napeti tak tim lepsi signal? Clocku, muzes teda prosim nakreslit jak se ty hlavice propojej? Proc proste nemuzu tech 12V co vede di TX privest i do RX? A jeste jeden dotaz. Nekolikrat pises ze se ma na konec napajeci dovjlinky a koxu napajet kousek dratu o prurezu 4mm^2, proc tak tlustej? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedl??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek Milan Korda napsal(a): >Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi je >jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je >napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, ale > > 12V. Vystup RSSI nevede nikam, na nem meris intenzitu signal vyjadrenou urcitym napetim (4-0V). >nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on >ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? > > Presne tak, koax, kabel na napajeni parkrat obtocit kolem feritoveho jadra. Nebo jsou feirty nacvakavaci, na kabel ;-). >Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karel Kulhav?" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > > >>On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: >> >> >>>Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou >>> >>> >vstupy/vystupy > > >>>J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " >>> >>> >The > > >>>PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding lid >>> >>> >must > > >>>have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta prijimaci >>>dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za >>> >>> >odpovedi > > >>>:) >>> >>> >>V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. >>Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery >>neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt >>pri vyrobe hlavice). >> >>Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 16:20:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 16:21:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv RX In-Reply-To: <000d01c483a1$a27eaa80$0103450a@thechosen> References: <20040816144313.GD19653@beton.cybernet.src> <000d01c483a1$a27eaa80$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040816152033.GB30724@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 04:59:30PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > zajimave, a to z nej leze s kondikem nebo bez? tranzistor je ok, ze? zkoukl > jsi ho? Jak s kondikem? Pripojil jsem na vystup sondu z osciloskopu. Do toho zlutyho cinche. Tranzistor jsem nijak nezkoumal zatim. Cl< From steebe at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 16:47:35 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Mon Aug 16 17:03:17 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Par=20otazek?= In-Reply-To: <002001c483a4$5a5b61f0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <22065.89289-8293-1313605462-1092671255@email.seznam.cz> Uz se to tu probiralo jak to propojit hledej v mynulem mesici nebo tak slovo malovani :)) a urcite to najdes :) .. nebo pockej do vecera a ja se tedy prekonam a uvolnim release :)) toho mojeho obrazku do sveta ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Milan Korda" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Par otazek Datum (Date): 16. 8. 2004 17:18 ================================================== > Dik moc. Takze J104 a J105 tam jsou pouze pro mereni sily signalu :) Je to > tak, ze cim vetsi napeti tak tim lepsi signal? > Clocku, muzes teda prosim nakreslit jak se ty hlavice propojej? Proc proste > nemuzu tech 12V co vede di TX privest i do RX? > A jeste jeden dotaz. Nekolikrat pises ze se ma na konec napajeci dovjlinky a > koxu napajet kousek dratu o prurezu 4mm^2, proc tak tlustej? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Sedl??ek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > Milan Korda napsal(a): > > >Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi je > >jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je > >napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, ale > > > > > 12V. Vystup RSSI nevede nikam, na nem meris intenzitu signal vyjadrenou > urcitym napetim (4-0V). > > >nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on > >ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? > > > > > Presne tak, koax, kabel na napajeni parkrat obtocit kolem feritoveho > jadra. Nebo jsou feirty nacvakavaci, na kabel ;-). > > >Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Karel Kulhav?" > >To: "Twibright Ronja" > >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > > > > > > > >>On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou > >>> > >>> > >vstupy/vystupy > > > > > >>>J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " > >>> > >>> > >The > > > > > >>>PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding lid > >>> > >>> > >must > > > > > >>>have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta prijimaci > >>>dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za > >>> > >>> > >odpovedi > > > > > >>>:) > >>> > >>> > >>V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. > >>Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery > >>neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt > >>pri vyrobe hlavice). > >> > >>Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 From korda.m at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 17:14:37 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Mon Aug 16 17:15:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek References: <22065.89289-8293-1313605462-1092671255@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000601c483ac$20aae220$02086b0a@atintel> Dik, uz se na to tvoje dilo tesim :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steebe" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek Uz se to tu probiralo jak to propojit hledej v mynulem mesici nebo tak slovo malovani :)) a urcite to najdes :) .. nebo pockej do vecera a ja se tedy prekonam a uvolnim release :)) toho mojeho obrazku do sveta ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Milan Korda" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Par otazek Datum (Date): 16. 8. 2004 17:18 ================================================== > Dik moc. Takze J104 a J105 tam jsou pouze pro mereni sily signalu :) Je to > tak, ze cim vetsi napeti tak tim lepsi signal? > Clocku, muzes teda prosim nakreslit jak se ty hlavice propojej? Proc proste > nemuzu tech 12V co vede di TX privest i do RX? > A jeste jeden dotaz. Nekolikrat pises ze se ma na konec napajeci dovjlinky a > koxu napajet kousek dratu o prurezu 4mm^2, proc tak tlustej? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Sedl??ek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > Milan Korda napsal(a): > > >Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi je > >jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je > >napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, ale > > > > > 12V. Vystup RSSI nevede nikam, na nem meris intenzitu signal vyjadrenou > urcitym napetim (4-0V). > > >nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on > >ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? > > > > > Presne tak, koax, kabel na napajeni parkrat obtocit kolem feritoveho > jadra. Nebo jsou feirty nacvakavaci, na kabel ;-). > > >Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Karel Kulhav?" > >To: "Twibright Ronja" > >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > > > > > > > >>On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou > >>> > >>> > >vstupy/vystupy > > > > > >>>J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " > >>> > >>> > >The > > > > > >>>PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding lid > >>> > >>> > >must > > > > > >>>have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta prijimaci > >>>dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za > >>> > >>> > >odpovedi > > > > > >>>:) > >>> > >>> > >>V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. > >>Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery > >>neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt > >>pri vyrobe hlavice). > >> > >>Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 17:37:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 17:38:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv RX In-Reply-To: <000d01c483a1$a27eaa80$0103450a@thechosen> References: <20040816144313.GD19653@beton.cybernet.src> <000d01c483a1$a27eaa80$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040816163756.GC30724@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 04:59:30PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > zajimave, a to z nej leze s kondikem nebo bez? tranzistor je ok, ze? zkoukl > jsi ho? Zapojil jsem to na 100MHz 1GS/s osciloskop a pustil jsem tam FFT (spektralni analyzator), nastavil sirku pasma do 500MHz, Hanningovo okno a zapnul. Objevil se takovy rozmazly knedlik sumu od 0 do 50MHz s maximem kdesi na 20MHz a vypadalo to presne jak to vypadat ma. Zadne trcici artefakty jsem tam nepozoroval. Tak z hlediska chovani za ticha se ten zesilovac zda byt zcela v poradku. Cely jsem to ruzne prolezl prozoomoval a proscrolloval a nic jsem tam nenasel, i sirku pasma jsem menil. Ani na nizkych kmitoctech to nekmita (dolu az do ~20Hz). Pak jsem zjistil, ze jsem vubec neresil, jestli ten 100n byl na zemi. Nebyl ;-) Cl< > > Glo > > > > Tak jsem to zapojil na osciloskop a zjistil, ze z toho leze > > jenom sum asi 200mVpp. Spektralne se to zda na obrazovce ze to konci > > nekde u 100MHz. Muzu to jeste nasamplovat udelat fourierku a podivat > > se, jestli v tom neni nejaky peak ze by to melo jako tendenci kmitat, > > nebo nekolik peaku rozmistenenjch podle Feigenbaumovejch konstant ze > > by v tom eventualne dochazelo k chaosu. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 17:39:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 17:40:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek In-Reply-To: <002001c483a4$5a5b61f0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000e01c4838c$d69f7110$02086b0a@atintel> <4120C702.90802@sattnet.cz> <002001c483a4$5a5b61f0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040816163941.GE30724@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 05:18:58PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Dik moc. Takze J104 a J105 tam jsou pouze pro mereni sily signalu :) Je to > tak, ze cim vetsi napeti tak tim lepsi signal? Jo. > Clocku, muzes teda prosim nakreslit jak se ty hlavice propojej? Proc proste > nemuzu tech 12V co vede di TX privest i do RX? > A jeste jeden dotaz. Nekolikrat pises ze se ma na konec napajeci dovjlinky a > koxu napajet kousek dratu o prurezu 4mm^2, proc tak tlustej? Aby se neulomil kdyz za to clovek omylem trhne. Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Sedl??ek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > Milan Korda napsal(a): > > >Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi je > >jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je > >napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, ale > > > > > 12V. Vystup RSSI nevede nikam, na nem meris intenzitu signal vyjadrenou > urcitym napetim (4-0V). > > >nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on > >ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? > > > > > Presne tak, koax, kabel na napajeni parkrat obtocit kolem feritoveho > jadra. Nebo jsou feirty nacvakavaci, na kabel ;-). > > >Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Karel Kulhav?" > >To: "Twibright Ronja" > >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > > > > > > > >>On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou > >>> > >>> > >vstupy/vystupy > > > > > >>>J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " > >>> > >>> > >The > > > > > >>>PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding lid > >>> > >>> > >must > > > > > >>>have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta prijimaci > >>>dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za > >>> > >>> > >odpovedi > > > > > >>>:) > >>> > >>> > >>V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. > >>Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery > >>neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt > >>pri vyrobe hlavice). > >> > >>Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 18:13:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 18:14:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskovo RX Message-ID: <20040816171323.GA30907@beton.cybernet.src> Tak jsem tam dal ten kondenzator zpatky a vysledek je stejny. Jen jsem si jeste vsimnul v tom sumu nad 50MHz (v tom slabem) ze tam jsou nejake spicky: 97.2 MHz 98.5 92.6 101.0 91.0 88.2 83.3 102.5 108.6 113.0 232.4 192.0 Neco z toho jsou zjevne rozhlasove stanice (97.2 tuc tuc fajn radio, 88.2 nejaka Evropa 2 nebo co to je ted). Jsou tam i kdyz se ten prijimac vypne. Nejsilnejsi spicka je na 92.6. Takze zatim to odhaduju na vadnej tranzistor... Je legrace pozorovat jak se spicka FM radia zuzuje a zase rozprskava podle toho jestli je tam zrovna tichy a nebo hlasity signal. Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 18:33:37 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 18:34:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskovo RX References: <20040816171323.GA30907@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001501c483b7$29ccd4c0$0103450a@thechosen> hezky takze ronja i hraje :) ten tranzistor zkus prozkoumat teda (ale ne ze ho znicis a pak to svees na me :)) je ale zajimave ze pokud je fakt spatnej ze sem schopnej znici vsech 8 tranzisotru na jeden zpusob a to tak ze to pak jeste funguje jak ma Glo > Tak jsem tam dal ten kondenzator zpatky a vysledek je stejny. > Jen jsem si jeste vsimnul v tom sumu nad 50MHz (v tom slabem) ze tam > jsou nejake spicky: > 97.2 MHz > 98.5 > 92.6 > 101.0 > 91.0 > 88.2 > 83.3 > 102.5 > 108.6 > 113.0 > 232.4 > 192.0 > > Neco z toho jsou zjevne rozhlasove stanice (97.2 tuc tuc fajn radio, > 88.2 nejaka Evropa 2 nebo co to je ted). Jsou tam i kdyz se ten > prijimac vypne. Nejsilnejsi spicka je na 92.6. > > Takze zatim to odhaduju na vadnej tranzistor... > > Je legrace pozorovat jak se spicka FM radia zuzuje a zase rozprskava > podle toho jestli je tam zrovna tichy a nebo hlasity signal. > > Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 18:57:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 18:58:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv RX Message-ID: <20040816175747.GA30946@beton.cybernet.src> Tak jsem zkousel zobrazit spektrum vystupniho sumu s a bez kondenzatoru. Obe vypadala stejne a obe dosahovala stejne vyse. Myslim si ze ten tranzistor je vadny a jestli mas dalsich 8 exemplaru co delaji totez, tak ze to je tim, ze pri preprave utrpely spolecne nejaky elektrostaticky sok a nebo ze se jedna o nejakou vadnou vyrobni serii. Ja nevim - ja bych ti to asi vratil s tim, at si koupis nejaky jiny BF988 a naletujes ho tam za pouziti uzemnene pajky a zkusis, zda zavada zmizela, a pokud nezmizi, tak mi to das znova na debugovani. Ja jsem BF988 kupoval v GM. Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Aug 16 18:57:58 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 18:58:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek In-Reply-To: <000601c483ac$20aae220$02086b0a@atintel> References: <22065.89289-8293-1313605462-1092671255@email.seznam.cz> <000601c483ac$20aae220$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <4120F5A6.4000303@sattnet.cz> No, Steebe uz to jednou prezil, tak to vracim - http://web.wifistar.net/ronja/power.exchange.twister.jpg.OLD :-). Milan Korda napsal(a): >Dik, uz se na to tvoje dilo tesim :) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steebe" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:47 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > >Uz se to tu probiralo jak to propojit hledej v mynulem mesici nebo tak >slovo malovani :)) a urcite to najdes :) .. nebo pockej do vecera a ja se >tedy prekonam a uvolnim release :)) toho mojeho obrazku do sveta > >================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= >Od (From): "Milan Korda" >Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" >Kopie (Cc): >P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Par otazek >Datum (Date): 16. 8. 2004 17:18 >================================================== > > > >>Dik moc. Takze J104 a J105 tam jsou pouze pro mereni sily signalu :) Je to >>tak, ze cim vetsi napeti tak tim lepsi signal? >>Clocku, muzes teda prosim nakreslit jak se ty hlavice propojej? Proc >> >> >proste > > >>nemuzu tech 12V co vede di TX privest i do RX? >>A jeste jeden dotaz. Nekolikrat pises ze se ma na konec napajeci dovjlinky >> >> >a > > >>koxu napajet kousek dratu o prurezu 4mm^2, proc tak tlustej? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "David Sedl??ek" >>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:38 PM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek >> >> >>Milan Korda napsal(a): >> >> >> >>>Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi >>> >>> >je > > >>>jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je >>>napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, >>> >>> >ale > > >>> >>> >>12V. Vystup RSSI nevede nikam, na nem meris intenzitu signal vyjadrenou >>urcitym napetim (4-0V). >> >> >> >>>nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on >>>ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Presne tak, koax, kabel na napajeni parkrat obtocit kolem feritoveho >>jadra. Nebo jsou feirty nacvakavaci, na kabel ;-). >> >> >> >>>Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Karel Kulhav?" >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>vstupy/vystupy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>The >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding >>>>> >>>>> >lid > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>must >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta >>>>> >>>>> >prijimaci > > >>>>>dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>odpovedi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>:) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. >>>>Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery >>>>neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt >>>>pri vyrobe hlavice). >>>> >>>>Cl< >>>> >>>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >____________________________________________________________ >Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, >v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte >http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Aug 16 19:03:23 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:04:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv RX In-Reply-To: <20040816163756.GC30724@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040816144313.GD19653@beton.cybernet.src> <000d01c483a1$a27eaa80$0103450a@thechosen> <20040816163756.GC30724@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1092679403.4120f6eb0caec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> To bylo mereno pres osciloskopickou kartu M621 nebo pres nejaky jiny osciloskop? Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 04:59:30PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > > zajimave, a to z nej leze s kondikem nebo bez? tranzistor je ok, ze? > zkoukl > > jsi ho? > > Zapojil jsem to na 100MHz 1GS/s osciloskop a pustil jsem tam FFT > (spektralni > analyzator), nastavil sirku pasma do 500MHz, Hanningovo okno a zapnul. > > Objevil se takovy rozmazly knedlik sumu od 0 do 50MHz s maximem kdesi > na 20MHz a vypadalo to presne jak to vypadat ma. Zadne trcici artefakty > jsem tam nepozoroval. Tak z hlediska chovani za ticha se ten zesilovac > zda byt zcela v poradku. > > Cely jsem to ruzne prolezl prozoomoval a proscrolloval a nic jsem tam > nenasel, > i sirku pasma jsem menil. Ani na nizkych kmitoctech to nekmita (dolu az do > ~20Hz). > > Pak jsem zjistil, ze jsem vubec neresil, jestli ten 100n byl na zemi. Nebyl > ;-) > > Cl< > > > > > Glo > > > > > > > Tak jsem to zapojil na osciloskop a zjistil, ze z toho leze > > > jenom sum asi 200mVpp. Spektralne se to zda na obrazovce ze to konci > > > nekde u 100MHz. Muzu to jeste nasamplovat udelat fourierku a podivat > > > se, jestli v tom neni nejaky peak ze by to melo jako tendenci kmitat, > > > nebo nekolik peaku rozmistenenjch podle Feigenbaumovejch konstant ze > > > by v tom eventualne dochazelo k chaosu. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 18:15:42 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:12:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek References: <000e01c4838c$d69f7110$02086b0a@atintel><4120C702.90802@sattnet.cz><002001c483a4$5a5b61f0$02086b0a@atintel> <20040816163941.GE30724@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000001c483bc$80c63460$02086b0a@atintel> Dik moc, uz je mi to jasny :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 05:18:58PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > Dik moc. Takze J104 a J105 tam jsou pouze pro mereni sily signalu :) Je to > > tak, ze cim vetsi napeti tak tim lepsi signal? > > Jo. > > > Clocku, muzes teda prosim nakreslit jak se ty hlavice propojej? Proc proste > > nemuzu tech 12V co vede di TX privest i do RX? > > A jeste jeden dotaz. Nekolikrat pises ze se ma na konec napajeci dovjlinky a > > koxu napajet kousek dratu o prurezu 4mm^2, proc tak tlustej? > > Aby se neulomil kdyz za to clovek omylem trhne. > > Cl< > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Sedl??ek" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > > > > Milan Korda napsal(a): > > > > >Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi je > > >jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je > > >napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, ale > > > > > > > > 12V. Vystup RSSI nevede nikam, na nem meris intenzitu signal vyjadrenou > > urcitym napetim (4-0V). > > > > >nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on > > >ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? > > > > > > > > Presne tak, koax, kabel na napajeni parkrat obtocit kolem feritoveho > > jadra. Nebo jsou feirty nacvakavaci, na kabel ;-). > > > > >Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > >To: "Twibright Ronja" > > >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM > > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou > > >>> > > >>> > > >vstupy/vystupy > > > > > > > > >>>J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " > > >>> > > >>> > > >The > > > > > > > > >>>PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding lid > > >>> > > >>> > > >must > > > > > > > > >>>have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta prijimaci > > >>>dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za > > >>> > > >>> > > >odpovedi > > > > > > > > >>>:) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. > > >>Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery > > >>neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt > > >>pri vyrobe hlavice). > > >> > > >>Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 19:12:42 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:13:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv RX References: <20040816175747.GA30946@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c483bc$a1a19cb0$0103450a@thechosen> a zkousel jsi to omerit voltmetrem nebo tak jestli vykazuje nejakou nectnost? volne tx a twistra predpokladam asi navic nemas ze by jsi to zkusil zapojit abys vydel jestli nekacam a nemam treb aduchy jen doma :/ ze by mi to treba rusil bluetooth nebo TV vysilac co mam pod stolem (ale sviti do kabelu a asi na 800mhz) nebo tak :) nebo jinej zakernej zdroj ruseni Glo > Tak jsem zkousel zobrazit spektrum vystupniho sumu s a bez kondenzatoru. > Obe vypadala stejne a obe dosahovala stejne vyse. > > Myslim si ze ten tranzistor je vadny a jestli mas dalsich 8 exemplaru co > delaji totez, tak ze to je tim, ze pri preprave utrpely spolecne nejaky > elektrostaticky sok a nebo ze se jedna o nejakou vadnou vyrobni serii. > > Ja nevim - ja bych ti to asi vratil s tim, at si koupis nejaky jiny BF988 > a naletujes ho tam za pouziti uzemnene pajky a zkusis, zda zavada zmizela, > a pokud nezmizi, tak mi to das znova na debugovani. > > Ja jsem BF988 kupoval v GM. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 19:14:54 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:15:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek References: <22065.89289-8293-1313605462-1092671255@email.seznam.cz><000601c483ac$20aae220$02086b0a@atintel> <4120F5A6.4000303@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c483bc$edea6bb0$02086b0a@atintel> Dik, to jsem potreboval. Takze to propojeni z J101 a J 102 nemusi byt koax, zejo? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedl??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek No, Steebe uz to jednou prezil, tak to vracim - http://web.wifistar.net/ronja/power.exchange.twister.jpg.OLD :-). Milan Korda napsal(a): >Dik, uz se na to tvoje dilo tesim :) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steebe" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:47 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > >Uz se to tu probiralo jak to propojit hledej v mynulem mesici nebo tak >slovo malovani :)) a urcite to najdes :) .. nebo pockej do vecera a ja se >tedy prekonam a uvolnim release :)) toho mojeho obrazku do sveta > >================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= >Od (From): "Milan Korda" >Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" >Kopie (Cc): >P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Par otazek >Datum (Date): 16. 8. 2004 17:18 >================================================== > > > >>Dik moc. Takze J104 a J105 tam jsou pouze pro mereni sily signalu :) Je to >>tak, ze cim vetsi napeti tak tim lepsi signal? >>Clocku, muzes teda prosim nakreslit jak se ty hlavice propojej? Proc >> >> >proste > > >>nemuzu tech 12V co vede di TX privest i do RX? >>A jeste jeden dotaz. Nekolikrat pises ze se ma na konec napajeci dovjlinky >> >> >a > > >>koxu napajet kousek dratu o prurezu 4mm^2, proc tak tlustej? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "David Sedl??ek" >>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:38 PM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek >> >> >>Milan Korda napsal(a): >> >> >> >>>Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi >>> >>> >je > > >>>jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je >>>napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, >>> >>> >ale > > >>> >>> >>12V. Vystup RSSI nevede nikam, na nem meris intenzitu signal vyjadrenou >>urcitym napetim (4-0V). >> >> >> >>>nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on >>>ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Presne tak, koax, kabel na napajeni parkrat obtocit kolem feritoveho >>jadra. Nebo jsou feirty nacvakavaci, na kabel ;-). >> >> >> >>>Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Karel Kulhav?" >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>vstupy/vystupy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>The >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding >>>>> >>>>> >lid > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>must >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta >>>>> >>>>> >prijimaci > > >>>>>dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>odpovedi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>:) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. >>>>Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery >>>>neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt >>>>pri vyrobe hlavice). >>>> >>>>Cl< >>>> >>>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >____________________________________________________________ >Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, >v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte >http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Aug 16 19:17:29 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:18:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek In-Reply-To: <000f01c483bc$edea6bb0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <22065.89289-8293-1313605462-1092671255@email.seznam.cz><000601c483ac$20aae220$02086b0a@atintel> <4120F5A6.4000303@sattnet.cz> <000f01c483bc$edea6bb0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <4120FA39.9060406@sattnet.cz> Ne ;-). Staci dvojlinka. Milan Korda napsal(a): >Dik, to jsem potreboval. Takze to propojeni z J101 a J 102 nemusi byt koax, >zejo? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Sedl??ek" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 7:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > >No, Steebe uz to jednou prezil, tak to vracim - >http://web.wifistar.net/ronja/power.exchange.twister.jpg.OLD :-). > >Milan Korda napsal(a): > > > >>Dik, uz se na to tvoje dilo tesim :) >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Steebe" >>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:47 PM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek >> >> >>Uz se to tu probiralo jak to propojit hledej v mynulem mesici nebo tak >>slovo malovani :)) a urcite to najdes :) .. nebo pockej do vecera a ja se >>tedy prekonam a uvolnim release :)) toho mojeho obrazku do sveta >> >>================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= >>Od (From): "Milan Korda" >>Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" >>Kopie (Cc): >>P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Par otazek >>Datum (Date): 16. 8. 2004 17:18 >>================================================== >> >> >> >> >> >>>Dik moc. Takze J104 a J105 tam jsou pouze pro mereni sily signalu :) Je to >>>tak, ze cim vetsi napeti tak tim lepsi signal? >>>Clocku, muzes teda prosim nakreslit jak se ty hlavice propojej? Proc >>> >>> >>> >>> >>proste >> >> >> >> >>>nemuzu tech 12V co vede di TX privest i do RX? >>>A jeste jeden dotaz. Nekolikrat pises ze se ma na konec napajeci dovjlinky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>a >> >> >> >> >>>koxu napajet kousek dratu o prurezu 4mm^2, proc tak tlustej? >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "David Sedl??ek" >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:38 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek >>> >>> >>>Milan Korda napsal(a): >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>je >> >> >> >> >>>>jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je >>>>napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>ale >> >> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>12V. Vystup RSSI nevede nikam, na nem meris intenzitu signal vyjadrenou >>>urcitym napetim (4-0V). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on >>>>ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Presne tak, koax, kabel na napajeni parkrat obtocit kolem feritoveho >>>jadra. Nebo jsou feirty nacvakavaci, na kabel ;-). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Karel Kulhav?" >>>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>vstupy/vystupy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>The >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>lid >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>must >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>prijimaci >> >> >> >> >>>>>>dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>odpovedi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>:) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. >>>>>Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery >>>>>neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt >>>>>pri vyrobe hlavice). >>>>> >>>>>Cl< >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, >>v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte >>http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> >> > >-- >Regards, David Sedl??ek >http://web.wifistar.net > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From korda.m at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 19:33:37 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:34:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek References: <000e01c4838c$d69f7110$02086b0a@atintel><20040816135254.GA18686@beton.cybernet.src><000801c4839a$779bd4c0$02086b0a@atintel> <20040816143515.GA19653@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001401c483bf$8b870390$02086b0a@atintel> Neda me to a jeste se zeptam jaky maji ty feritovy jaderka ucel? Asi zabranuji ruseni, co? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 04:08:12PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi je > > jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je > > napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, ale > > No to se propoji mezi hlavicema a nasledkem toho to bere napajeni z koaxu > (po jednom koaxu jde zem a po druhym 12V). Budu muset na to napsat > nejakej nacrtek jak se to zapojuje lidi to povazujou za neprehledny tohle. > > > nevim kam to vede :) Jo a jeste tam nekolikrat pises o several turns on > > ferrite bead, pot atd..., to mam udelat nejaky zavity na feritovim jadre? > > Sorry za takovy dotazy, ale chci mit ve vsem uplne jasno :) > > Jo volitelne se muzou draty protahat feritovymi jaderky. > > Asi to vyhodim ze schemat a napisu primo do navodu aby to nematlo. > > Cl< > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:30:39PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > > > Zrovna koukam na schema RX a neni mi uplne jasny kam vedou > > vstupy/vystupy > > > > J102, J102, J104 a J105. A jeste si nejsem jisty jak mam rozumet vete " > > The > > > > PIN diode window must be externally electrically shielded. Shielding lid > > must > > > > have many properly adjusted contact flaps." Z toho chapu ze ta prijimaci > > > > dioda musi byt externe stinena, ale jak to teda mam udelat? Dik za > > odpovedi > > > > :) > > > > > > V ramci RX nevedou jinak - jsou to porty. > > > Externi stineni prijimaci diody je delany v Ronje thermal shieldem ktery > > > neni soucasti RX, ale hlavice (protoze vznika jako vedlejsi produkt > > > pri vyrobe hlavice). > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 19:38:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:39:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv RX In-Reply-To: <1092679403.4120f6eb0caec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20040816144313.GD19653@beton.cybernet.src> <000d01c483a1$a27eaa80$0103450a@thechosen> <20040816163756.GC30724@beton.cybernet.src> <1092679403.4120f6eb0caec@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040816183850.GB31114@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 08:03:23PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > To bylo mereno pres osciloskopickou kartu M621 nebo pres nejaky jiny osciloskop? Tektronix TDS2014. Cl< > > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 04:59:30PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > > > zajimave, a to z nej leze s kondikem nebo bez? tranzistor je ok, ze? > > zkoukl > > > jsi ho? > > > > Zapojil jsem to na 100MHz 1GS/s osciloskop a pustil jsem tam FFT > > (spektralni > > analyzator), nastavil sirku pasma do 500MHz, Hanningovo okno a zapnul. > > > > Objevil se takovy rozmazly knedlik sumu od 0 do 50MHz s maximem kdesi > > na 20MHz a vypadalo to presne jak to vypadat ma. Zadne trcici artefakty > > jsem tam nepozoroval. Tak z hlediska chovani za ticha se ten zesilovac > > zda byt zcela v poradku. > > > > Cely jsem to ruzne prolezl prozoomoval a proscrolloval a nic jsem tam > > nenasel, > > i sirku pasma jsem menil. Ani na nizkych kmitoctech to nekmita (dolu az do > > ~20Hz). > > > > Pak jsem zjistil, ze jsem vubec neresil, jestli ten 100n byl na zemi. Nebyl > > ;-) > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > Glo > > > > > > > > > > Tak jsem to zapojil na osciloskop a zjistil, ze z toho leze > > > > jenom sum asi 200mVpp. Spektralne se to zda na obrazovce ze to konci > > > > nekde u 100MHz. Muzu to jeste nasamplovat udelat fourierku a podivat > > > > se, jestli v tom neni nejaky peak ze by to melo jako tendenci kmitat, > > > > nebo nekolik peaku rozmistenenjch podle Feigenbaumovejch konstant ze > > > > by v tom eventualne dochazelo k chaosu. > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 19:39:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:40:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskuv RX In-Reply-To: <000701c483bc$a1a19cb0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <20040816175747.GA30946@beton.cybernet.src> <000701c483bc$a1a19cb0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040816183931.GC31114@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 08:12:42PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > a zkousel jsi to omerit voltmetrem nebo tak jestli vykazuje nejakou > nectnost? volne tx a twistra predpokladam asi navic nemas ze by jsi to Jo meril jsem to, odpojil jsem obe baze a zapnul, obe mely 0V. > zkusil zapojit abys vydel jestli nekacam a nemam treb aduchy jen doma :/ ze > by mi to treba rusil bluetooth nebo TV vysilac co mam pod stolem (ale sviti > do kabelu a asi na 800mhz) nebo tak :) nebo jinej zakernej zdroj ruseni To jsem nezkousel - muzu to jeste zkusit. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 19:40:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:41:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Par otazek In-Reply-To: <001401c483bf$8b870390$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20040816143515.GA19653@beton.cybernet.src> <001401c483bf$8b870390$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040816184048.GE31114@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 08:33:37PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Neda me to a jeste se zeptam jaky maji ty feritovy jaderka ucel? Asi > zabranuji ruseni, co? Jo. Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Par otazek > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 04:08:12PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > > Dik. Ale jeste mi to neni uplne jasny :) To ze v RX nevedou jinak, to mi > je > > > jasny, ale me zajima kam vedou z RX :) Predpokladam ze ty J101 a J102 je > > > napajeni, ale je to 5V nebo 12V? U tech J104 a J105 vim ze je to RSSI, > ale From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 19:45:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:45:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Maluskovo RX In-Reply-To: <001501c483b7$29ccd4c0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <20040816171323.GA30907@beton.cybernet.src> <001501c483b7$29ccd4c0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040816184523.GB31206@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 07:33:37PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > hezky takze ronja i hraje :) > > ten tranzistor zkus prozkoumat teda (ale ne ze ho znicis a pak to svees na > me :)) je ale zajimave ze pokud je fakt spatnej ze sem schopnej znici vsech > 8 tranzisotru na jeden zpusob a to tak ze to pak jeste funguje jak ma Tys ho nemusel znicit - mohli ho blbe handlovat v prodejne nebo to mohly byt nejake vadne kusy. Cl< > > Glo > > > > Tak jsem tam dal ten kondenzator zpatky a vysledek je stejny. > > Jen jsem si jeste vsimnul v tom sumu nad 50MHz (v tom slabem) ze tam > > jsou nejake spicky: > > 97.2 MHz > > 98.5 > > 92.6 > > 101.0 > > 91.0 > > 88.2 > > 83.3 > > 102.5 > > 108.6 > > 113.0 > > 232.4 > > 192.0 > > > > Neco z toho jsou zjevne rozhlasove stanice (97.2 tuc tuc fajn radio, > > 88.2 nejaka Evropa 2 nebo co to je ted). Jsou tam i kdyz se ten > > prijimac vypne. Nejsilnejsi spicka je na 92.6. > > > > Takze zatim to odhaduju na vadnej tranzistor... > > > > Je legrace pozorovat jak se spicka FM radia zuzuje a zase rozprskava > > podle toho jestli je tam zrovna tichy a nebo hlasity signal. > > > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Aug 16 19:52:18 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Aug 16 19:52:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz><001201c48269$a95ae5a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <001701c483c2$27edb380$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> no na ten zbytek, co jsem nestihl osadit, to bylo sqele fakt to usetri cas nekolikanasobne byl jsem zdechlej tam namalovat ty konektory, protoze jsou podle mne jasne mam to tam domalovat? clocku, kdyztak si to hod na stranky nebo tam dej odkaz, myslim, ze to pouzije dost lidi, aspon do te doby, nez tebou pouzvany soft bude toto generovat Cipis P.S. V dalsich kusech budu osazovat ty kondiky v SMD, par jsem jich musel osadit ted, protoze obyc nebyly a je to taky rozdil jak prase v case osazeni. Akorat budou chtit osadit jako uplne prvni. Na rezistory jsou ty roztece moc velke :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedl??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak Dobry, jen to prislo trochu pozde :-). Cipis napsal(a): >mno, tak jestli na to dobre vidim a neudelal jsem chybu, tak by nejakej >osazovak mohl byt na >http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png >nerucim za spravnost, je uz 3:45 ... >mrknete na to >dobrou noc > >Cipis > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 16 22:16:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 16 22:17:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <001701c483c2$27edb380$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz> <001701c483c2$27edb380$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040816211653.GA31416@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 08:52:18PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > no na ten zbytek, co jsem nestihl osadit, to bylo sqele > fakt to usetri cas nekolikanasobne > > byl jsem zdechlej tam namalovat ty konektory, protoze jsou podle mne jasne > mam to tam domalovat? > clocku, kdyztak si to hod na stranky nebo tam dej odkaz, myslim, ze to > pouzije dost lidi, aspon do te doby, > nez tebou pouzvany soft bude toto generovat Tak to dej pls na wikinu a ja dam odkaz do navodu. Cl< > > Cipis > > P.S. V dalsich kusech budu osazovat ty kondiky v SMD, par jsem jich musel > osadit ted, protoze obyc nebyly a je to taky rozdil jak prase v case > osazeni. Akorat budou chtit osadit jako uplne prvni. Na rezistory jsou ty > roztece moc velke :-( > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Sedl??ek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > Dobry, jen to prislo trochu pozde :-). > > Cipis napsal(a): > > >mno, tak jestli na to dobre vidim a neudelal jsem chybu, tak by nejakej > >osazovak mohl byt na > >http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png > >nerucim za spravnost, je uz 3:45 ... > >mrknete na to > >dobrou noc > > > >Cipis > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From tristram at wtfhax.com Mon Aug 16 23:43:22 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Mon Aug 16 23:44:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] HPWT-BD00-F4000 Sourcing Problems Message-ID: <4121388A.8020202@wtfhax.com> Hi All, No one in my country is able to stcok any superflux LEDs like the HPWT-BD00-F4000. Does anyone know of any other LED models i could possably use. Thanks From steebe at seznam.cz Mon Aug 16 23:49:00 2004 From: steebe at seznam.cz (Steebe) Date: Mon Aug 16 23:49:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! Message-ID: <36929.126774-16054-1797628625-1092696540@email.seznam.cz> Ehm tak tady to je . Na sodipodi sem nemel nervy :) a gim byl na mne moc pomalej :) .. takze v malovani .. nekamenovat . hlavne ze to pomuze lidem ktery to treba nechapou . a celkem to podle mne ujde graficky :) .. heh na malovani :) . ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: =?us-ascii?Q?ronja=2EPNG?= Typ: image/png Velikost: 20628 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040817/b6f3bd7a/us-asciiQronja2EPNG-0001.png From korda.m at seznam.cz Tue Aug 17 06:12:53 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Tue Aug 17 06:13:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! References: <36929.126774-16054-1797628625-1092696540@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <002901c48418$d9e03e90$02086b0a@atintel> Takze z twistru privedu 12V do RX na stineni koaxu a z nej do TX dvojlinkou? Jsem myslel ze stineni ma byt na zemi, ale kdyz to rikas :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steebe" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! Ehm tak tady to je . Na sodipodi sem nemel nervy :) a gim byl na mne moc pomalej :) .. takze v malovani .. nekamenovat . hlavne ze to pomuze lidem ktery to treba nechapou . a celkem to podle mne ujde graficky :) .. heh na malovani :) . ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Tue Aug 17 07:49:54 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Tue Aug 17 07:50:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! References: <36929.126774-16054-1797628625-1092696540@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <006e01c48426$677d8700$02086b0a@atintel> Jo jasny to je, jen jsem se ujistoval. Jestli to zvladne zdroj, tak si tech 12V na vytapeni muzu vzit taky ze stineni toho koaxu, nebo ne? To vytapeni je zapnuty jen v zime nebo i v lete(treba jen pres noc)? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steebe" > To: "Milan Korda" > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! > > > Mno po stineni k RX jde 12 :-) z toho schematu je to zrejme :) .. tedy > aspon doufam :) . Proto usetris i kabelaz - nahoru ti pujde potom > maximalne 3 kabely ( 2 koaxi a jedna dvojlinka na vytapeni cocek :)ostatni > uz propojis mezi hlavicema ) > Clock to nahodou vymyslel moc dobre :) > > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Milan Korda" > Komu (To): "Steebe" , "Twibright Ronja" > > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! > Datum (Date): 17. 8. 2004 7:12 > ================================================== > > > Takze z twistru privedu 12V do RX na stineni koaxu a z nej do TX > dvojlinkou? > > Jsem myslel ze stineni ma byt na zemi, ale kdyz to rikas :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, > v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 > From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 17 07:54:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 07:54:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! In-Reply-To: <006e01c48426$677d8700$02086b0a@atintel> References: <36929.126774-16054-1797628625-1092696540@email.seznam.cz> <006e01c48426$677d8700$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040817065420.GA32536@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 08:49:54AM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > Jo jasny to je, jen jsem se ujistoval. Jestli to zvladne zdroj, tak si tech > 12V na vytapeni muzu vzit taky ze stineni toho koaxu, nebo ne? To vytapeni > je zapnuty jen v zime nebo i v lete(treba jen pres noc)? Vytapeni ze stineni neber, udelej to jak je to v navodu. Jinak hrozi ze na dlouhym kabelu tomu poklesne tim odberem napeti. Jestli je kabel extremne kratkej tak to muzes tak udelat. Cl< > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steebe" > > To: "Milan Korda" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! > > > > > > Mno po stineni k RX jde 12 :-) z toho schematu je to zrejme :) .. > tedy > > aspon doufam :) . Proto usetris i kabelaz - nahoru ti pujde potom > > maximalne 3 kabely ( 2 koaxi a jedna dvojlinka na vytapeni cocek :)ostatni > > uz propojis mezi hlavicema ) > > Clock to nahodou vymyslel moc dobre :) > > > > > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > > Od (From): "Milan Korda" > > Komu (To): "Steebe" , "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Kopie (Cc): > > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! > > Datum (Date): 17. 8. 2004 7:12 > > ================================================== > > > > > Takze z twistru privedu 12V do RX na stineni koaxu a z nej do TX > > dvojlinkou? > > > Jsem myslel ze stineni ma byt na zemi, ale kdyz to rikas :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, > > v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte > > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 17 07:56:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 07:56:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings Message-ID: <20040817065607.GA32626@beton.cybernet.src> Hello All Ronja Drawings have been made: http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/ and a link to them has been added here: http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php and here: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions Cl< From korda.m at seznam.cz Tue Aug 17 08:19:09 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Tue Aug 17 08:19:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! References: <36929.126774-16054-1797628625-1092696540@email.seznam.cz><006e01c48426$677d8700$02086b0a@atintel> <20040817065420.GA32536@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001401c4842a$7d482730$02086b0a@atintel> OK, udelam to jak rikas :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! > On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 08:49:54AM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > > Jo jasny to je, jen jsem se ujistoval. Jestli to zvladne zdroj, tak si tech > > 12V na vytapeni muzu vzit taky ze stineni toho koaxu, nebo ne? To vytapeni > > je zapnuty jen v zime nebo i v lete(treba jen pres noc)? > > Vytapeni ze stineni neber, udelej to jak je to v navodu. Jinak hrozi > ze na dlouhym kabelu tomu poklesne tim odberem napeti. Jestli je kabel > extremne kratkej tak to muzes tak udelat. > > Cl< > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Steebe" > > > To: "Milan Korda" > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! > > > > > > > > > Mno po stineni k RX jde 12 :-) z toho schematu je to zrejme :) .. > > tedy > > > aspon doufam :) . Proto usetris i kabelaz - nahoru ti pujde potom > > > maximalne 3 kabely ( 2 koaxi a jedna dvojlinka na vytapeni cocek :)ostatni > > > uz propojis mezi hlavicema ) > > > Clock to nahodou vymyslel moc dobre :) > > > > > > > > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > > > Od (From): "Milan Korda" > > > Komu (To): "Steebe" , "Twibright Ronja" > > > > > > Kopie (Cc): > > > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] ZAPOJENI ! > > > Datum (Date): 17. 8. 2004 7:12 > > > ================================================== > > > > > > > Takze z twistru privedu 12V do RX na stineni koaxu a z nej do TX > > > dvojlinkou? > > > > Jsem myslel ze stineni ma byt na zemi, ale kdyz to rikas :) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, > > > v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte > > > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Aug 17 09:16:05 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Aug 17 09:17:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings References: <20040817065607.GA32626@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002401c48432$87cd81c0$6501000a@diablo> http://czfree.fear.cz/ronja/frontcap/ se mi objevi zdrojovy kod a ne stranka ....... To asi neni dobre, ze ne? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings > Hello > > All Ronja Drawings have been made: > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/ > and a link to them has been added here: http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php > and here: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.845 (20040816) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 17 10:22:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 10:22:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: informace o ronje In-Reply-To: <20040817084846Z310926-20932+2328@mail2.centrum.cz> References: <20040817084846Z310926-20932+2328@mail2.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040817092209.GA472@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 10:48:40AM +0200, attavena@centrum.cz wrote: > Dobry den, > jsme neziskova organizace z Ceskych Budejovic a v soucasne dobe resime > z duvodu zmeny adresy pripojeni k internetu. Mame moznost byt > pripojeni prez Jihoceskou univerzitu (cesnet), ale reseni musi byt > bezdratove. Co se nam podarilo zjistit, levnejsi komercni reseni jsou > do vzdalenosti 300 metru, coz nesplnujeme. Ostatni reseni jsou ponekud > drazsi. Podarilo se nam najit vase opticke pojitko Ronja, coz by bylo > idealni reseni. Bohuzel nikdo z nas nema takove technicke dovednosii, > abychom byli schopni jej zkostruovat. Proto bych mel na vas nekolik > otazek: > 1. Jste schopen nekdo z Twibright Labs dodat opticke pojitko > Ronja jiz hotove? Schopny to jsme ale nedelame to. > 2. V pripade ze ne, existuje nekdo kdo by byl schopen pojitko > zhotovit, ozivit a instalovat? Zkuste se zeptat na Ronja mailinglistu. O nikom kdo to vylozene nabizel nevim. Zatim tam existuje v pocatcich nejaky projekt na prodavani stavebnic Twistera a daji se normalne objednat tistaky na Twistera za asi 130Kc kdo to nechava delat. > 3. V pripade ze neni mozna ani jedna varianta je mozne kontaktovat > nekoho v Ceskych Budejovicich kdo toto pojitko provozuje? Na vasich > strankach jsem nalezl,ze je jedno v CB provozovane. Jo ale bohuzel nevim uz kde to je. Nejjednodussi to bude asi kdyz si to postavite sami, zadne extra znalosti na to potreba nejsou, stavej to i lidi ktery v zivote neletovali a funguje jim to. Je to zamyslene pro stavbu sirokymi vrstvami obyvatelstva :) Cl< > od 21.6.2004 zmena adresy na: > > Attavena, o.p.s. > Husova 45, 37005 Ceske Budejovice > ICO: 25197185, DIC: CZ25197185 > > 385 340 579 (od 21.6.2004) > attavena@centrum.cz > www.attavena.cz > > ********POZOR******** > > -------------------- > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 17 10:23:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 10:24:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings In-Reply-To: <002401c48432$87cd81c0$6501000a@diablo> References: <20040817065607.GA32626@beton.cybernet.src> <002401c48432$87cd81c0$6501000a@diablo> Message-ID: <20040817092324.GB472@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 10:16:05AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > http://czfree.fear.cz/ronja/frontcap/ > se mi objevi zdrojovy kod a ne stranka ....... To asi neni dobre, ze ne? To je v XML. Vas prohlizec asi neumi XML. Ja mam Links, neumi to taky a resim to tak ze prepnu mezi zdrojakem a normalnim a dam reload. Cl< > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:56 AM > Subject: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings > > > > Hello > > > > All Ronja Drawings have been made: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/ > > and a link to them has been added here: > http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php > > and here: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.845 (20040816) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Aug 17 10:39:55 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 10:40:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: informace o ronje References: <20040817084846Z310926-20932+2328@mail2.centrum.cz> <20040817092209.GA472@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000b01c4843e$27814ac0$0103450a@thechosen> > > 2. V pripade ze ne, existuje nekdo kdo by byl schopen pojitko > > zhotovit, ozivit a instalovat? :) kolik das? Glo From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Aug 17 11:31:02 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Aug 17 11:32:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings References: <20040817065607.GA32626@beton.cybernet.src><002401c48432$87cd81c0$6501000a@diablo> <20040817092324.GB472@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001301c48445$4c2b9130$6501000a@diablo> Tak to je prvni dukaz toho, ze IE6 neni zas tak idealni, jak si Microsoft mysli :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings > On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 10:16:05AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > http://czfree.fear.cz/ronja/frontcap/ > > se mi objevi zdrojovy kod a ne stranka ....... To asi neni dobre, ze ne? > > To je v XML. Vas prohlizec asi neumi XML. Ja mam Links, neumi to taky a resim > to tak ze prepnu mezi zdrojakem a normalnim a dam reload. > > Cl< > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:56 AM > > Subject: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > All Ronja Drawings have been made: > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/ > > > and a link to them has been added here: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php > > > and here: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.845 (20040816) __________ > > > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.845 (20040816) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Aug 17 13:34:35 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 13:35:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings In-Reply-To: <001301c48445$4c2b9130$6501000a@diablo> References: <20040817065607.GA32626@beton.cybernet.src><002401c48432$87cd81c0$6501000a@diablo> <20040817092324.GB472@beton.cybernet.src> <001301c48445$4c2b9130$6501000a@diablo> Message-ID: <4121FB5B.8070808@sattnet.cz> Sice ten prohlizec nepouzivam, ale ze by neumel XML .. :-), Jaroslav Mixa napsal(a): >Tak to je prvni dukaz toho, ze IE6 neni zas tak idealni, jak si Microsoft >mysli :)) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karel Kulhav?" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:23 AM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings > > > > >>On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 10:16:05AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: >> >> >>>http://czfree.fear.cz/ronja/frontcap/ >>>se mi objevi zdrojovy kod a ne stranka ....... To asi neni dobre, ze ne? >>> >>> >>To je v XML. Vas prohlizec asi neumi XML. Ja mam Links, neumi to taky a >> >> >resim > > >>to tak ze prepnu mezi zdrojakem a normalnim a dam reload. >> >>Cl< >> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Karel Kulhav?" >>>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:56 AM >>>Subject: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello >>>> >>>>All Ronja Drawings have been made: >>>>http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/ >>>>and a link to them has been added here: >>>> >>>> >>>http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php >>> >>> >>>>and here: >>>> >>>> >http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions > > >>>>Cl< >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Ronja mailing list >>>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>>__________ Informace od NOD32 1.845 (20040816) __________ >>>> >>>>Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >>>>http://www.nod32.cz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>__________ Informace od NOD32 1.845 (20040816) __________ >> >>Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. >>http://www.nod32.cz >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Aug 17 16:51:46 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 16:52:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 In-Reply-To: <411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001201c48269$a95ae5a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <41222992.2020307@sattnet.cz> Cim nahradit tento odpor v prijimaci? Tusim, ze rikal ze ma 68R a 82R????? Vim, ze ho v GMe maji, ale muj zdejsi prodejce ho v rade proste nema :-(. On taky vse bere z GMe, ze, tak se neni cemu divit. Resp. je lepsi nizsi, nebo vyzsi nejblizsi ekvivalent? Nebo nahradit nejde vubec a musim jet do Brna kvuli dvema odporum za korunu? :-) Diky -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Aug 17 15:40:56 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 17:00:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings References: <20040817065607.GA32626@beton.cybernet.src><002401c48432$87cd81c0$6501000a@diablo><20040817092324.GB472@beton.cybernet.src> <001301c48445$4c2b9130$6501000a@diablo> Message-ID: <000b01c48468$34c41f30$0103450a@thechosen> mno ale http://www.w3.org/ take nese validity znamku xhtml ael zobra zi se dobre, neni chyba na vysilaci? ale nevim, xml neumim. Glo ----- Tak to je prvni dukaz toho, ze IE6 neni zas tak idealni, jak si Microsoft mysli :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings > On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 10:16:05AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > http://czfree.fear.cz/ronja/frontcap/ > > se mi objevi zdrojovy kod a ne stranka ....... To asi neni dobre, ze ne? > > To je v XML. Vas prohlizec asi neumi XML. Ja mam Links, neumi to taky a resim > to tak ze prepnu mezi zdrojakem a normalnim a dam reload. > > Cl< > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:56 AM > > Subject: [Ronja] All Ronja Drawings > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > All Ronja Drawings have been made: > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/ > > > and a link to them has been added here: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/modules.php > > > and here: http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.845 (20040816) __________ > > > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.845 (20040816) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From remet at remet.cz Tue Aug 17 17:45:27 2004 From: remet at remet.cz (REMET) Date: Tue Aug 17 17:39:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001201c48269$a95ae5a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz> <41222992.2020307@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <006e01c48479$99e075b0$01fda8c0@anezka> Dej 2 odpory 150ohm paralelne ;-) REMET ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedl??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 > Cim nahradit tento odpor v prijimaci? Tusim, ze rikal ze ma 68R a > 82R????? Vim, ze ho v GMe maji, ale muj zdejsi prodejce ho v rade proste > nema :-(. On taky vse bere z GMe, ze, tak se neni cemu divit. Resp. je > lepsi nizsi, nebo vyzsi nejblizsi ekvivalent? Nebo nahradit nejde vubec > a musim jet do Brna kvuli dvema odporum za korunu? :-) > Diky > > > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From korda.m at seznam.cz Tue Aug 17 18:17:51 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Tue Aug 17 18:18:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001201c48269$a95ae5a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz><41222992.2020307@sattnet.cz> <006e01c48479$99e075b0$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <000e01c4847e$209c81d0$02086b0a@atintel> A nebo tam dej trimr :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "REMET" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 75R - R121 Dej 2 odpory 150ohm paralelne ;-) REMET ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedl??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 > Cim nahradit tento odpor v prijimaci? Tusim, ze rikal ze ma 68R a > 82R????? Vim, ze ho v GMe maji, ale muj zdejsi prodejce ho v rade proste > nema :-(. On taky vse bere z GMe, ze, tak se neni cemu divit. Resp. je > lepsi nizsi, nebo vyzsi nejblizsi ekvivalent? Nebo nahradit nejde vubec > a musim jet do Brna kvuli dvema odporum za korunu? :-) > Diky > > > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Aug 17 18:26:48 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Aug 17 18:27:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak References: <411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz><001701c483c2$27edb380$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040816211653.GA31416@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001101c4847f$6091d6e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> hups a jak se to d?l?? m? ta wikina, ehm, p?ijde n?jak? divn? ... tak jestli to m??e ud?lat n?kdo za m?, tak pros?m :-) obr?zek je na http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 08:52:18PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > no na ten zbytek, co jsem nestihl osadit, to bylo sqele > > fakt to usetri cas nekolikanasobne > > > > byl jsem zdechlej tam namalovat ty konektory, protoze jsou podle mne jasne > > mam to tam domalovat? > > clocku, kdyztak si to hod na stranky nebo tam dej odkaz, myslim, ze to > > pouzije dost lidi, aspon do te doby, > > nez tebou pouzvany soft bude toto generovat > > Tak to dej pls na wikinu a ja dam odkaz do navodu. > > Cl< > > > > Cipis > > > > P.S. V dalsich kusech budu osazovat ty kondiky v SMD, par jsem jich musel > > osadit ted, protoze obyc nebyly a je to taky rozdil jak prase v case > > osazeni. Akorat budou chtit osadit jako uplne prvni. Na rezistory jsou ty > > roztece moc velke :-( > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Sedl??ek" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 7:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > > > > Dobry, jen to prislo trochu pozde :-). > > > > Cipis napsal(a): > > > > >mno, tak jestli na to dobre vidim a neudelal jsem chybu, tak by nejakej > > >osazovak mohl byt na > > >http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png > > >nerucim za spravnost, je uz 3:45 ... > > >mrknete na to > > >dobrou noc > > > > > >Cipis > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, David Sedl??ek > > http://web.wifistar.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Aug 17 18:28:01 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 18:28:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001201c48269$a95ae5a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz><41222992.2020307@sattnet.cz><006e01c48479$99e075b0$01fda8c0@anezka> <000e01c4847e$209c81d0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <000701c4847f$8c599290$0103450a@thechosen> trimr nebrat :) Glo > A nebo tam dej trimr :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "REMET" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 75R - R121 > > > Dej 2 odpory 150ohm paralelne ;-) > > REMET > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Sedl??ek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:51 PM > Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 > > > > Cim nahradit tento odpor v prijimaci? Tusim, ze rikal ze ma 68R a > > 82R????? Vim, ze ho v GMe maji, ale muj zdejsi prodejce ho v rade proste > > nema :-(. On taky vse bere z GMe, ze, tak se neni cemu divit. Resp. je > > lepsi nizsi, nebo vyzsi nejblizsi ekvivalent? Nebo nahradit nejde vubec > > a musim jet do Brna kvuli dvema odporum za korunu? :-) > > Diky > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, David Sedl??ek > > http://web.wifistar.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Aug 17 18:56:45 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 18:57:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 In-Reply-To: <006e01c48479$99e075b0$01fda8c0@anezka> References: <005a01c48157$3a0bb480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><200408141156.29115.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040814225158.GA16970@beton.cybernet.src> <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001201c48269$a95ae5a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz> <41222992.2020307@sattnet.cz> <006e01c48479$99e075b0$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <412246DD.5030009@sattnet.cz> No, to me trklo, kdyz jsem pred sebou na stole uvidel 150ohm odpor :-D. Takze Rx funguje, jdu na druhy. REMET napsal(a): >Dej 2 odpory 150ohm paralelne ;-) > >REMET > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Sedl??ek" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:51 PM >Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 > > > > >>Cim nahradit tento odpor v prijimaci? Tusim, ze rikal ze ma 68R a >>82R????? Vim, ze ho v GMe maji, ale muj zdejsi prodejce ho v rade proste >>nema :-(. On taky vse bere z GMe, ze, tak se neni cemu divit. Resp. je >>lepsi nizsi, nebo vyzsi nejblizsi ekvivalent? Nebo nahradit nejde vubec >>a musim jet do Brna kvuli dvema odporum za korunu? :-) >>Diky >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Regards, David Sedl??ek >>http://web.wifistar.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 17 19:45:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 19:46:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 In-Reply-To: <000e01c4847e$209c81d0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> <006e01c48479$99e075b0$01fda8c0@anezka> <000e01c4847e$209c81d0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040817184527.GA10169@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 07:17:51PM +0200, Milan Korda wrote: > A nebo tam dej trimr :) Trimr tam nedavej nebo to bude nespolehlive (obzvlastne po urcite dobe). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 17 19:47:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 19:47:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 In-Reply-To: <41222992.2020307@sattnet.cz> References: <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001201c48269$a95ae5a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz> <41222992.2020307@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040817184715.GB10169@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 05:51:46PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Cim nahradit tento odpor v prijimaci? Tusim, ze rikal ze ma 68R a > 82R????? Vim, ze ho v GMe maji, ale muj zdejsi prodejce ho v rade proste > nema :-(. On taky vse bere z GMe, ze, tak se neni cemu divit. Resp. je > lepsi nizsi, nebo vyzsi nejblizsi ekvivalent? Nebo nahradit nejde vubec > a musim jet do Brna kvuli dvema odporum za korunu? :-) Muze se to nahradit. Napsal jsem si do todo listu ze to mam dopsat do ekvivalentu. Mozne je jak 82 tak 68. Cl< > Diky > > > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 17 20:04:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 20:04:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak In-Reply-To: <001101c4847f$6091d6e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <20040816211653.GA31416@beton.cybernet.src> <001101c4847f$6091d6e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040817190413.GC32331@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 07:26:48PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > hups a jak se to d?l?? > m? ta wikina, ehm, p?ijde n?jak? divn? ... > tak jestli to m??e ud?lat n?kdo za m?, tak pros?m :-) > obr?zek je na http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png Obyc editace textu se dela pomoci tlacitka Edit. Attachment se dela nekde v tech tlacitkach okolo uz si nepamatuju ale da se na to velmi snadno prijit. V kazdem kroku to poskytuje jakoby napovedu tim co to nabizi. Cl< > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 08:52:18PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > > no na ten zbytek, co jsem nestihl osadit, to bylo sqele > > > fakt to usetri cas nekolikanasobne > > > > > > byl jsem zdechlej tam namalovat ty konektory, protoze jsou podle mne > jasne > > > mam to tam domalovat? > > > clocku, kdyztak si to hod na stranky nebo tam dej odkaz, myslim, ze to > > > pouzije dost lidi, aspon do te doby, > > > nez tebou pouzvany soft bude toto generovat > > > > Tak to dej pls na wikinu a ja dam odkaz do navodu. > > > > Cl< > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > P.S. V dalsich kusech budu osazovat ty kondiky v SMD, par jsem jich > musel > > > osadit ted, protoze obyc nebyly a je to taky rozdil jak prase v case > > > osazeni. Akorat budou chtit osadit jako uplne prvni. Na rezistory jsou > ty > > > roztece moc velke :-( > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "David Sedl??ek" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 7:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > > > > > > > Dobry, jen to prislo trochu pozde :-). > > > > > > Cipis napsal(a): > > > > > > >mno, tak jestli na to dobre vidim a neudelal jsem chybu, tak by nejakej > > > >osazovak mohl byt na > > > >http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png > > > >nerucim za spravnost, je uz 3:45 ... > > > >mrknete na to > > > >dobrou noc > > > > > > > >Cipis > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Ronja mailing list > > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, David Sedl??ek > > > http://web.wifistar.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Aug 17 20:09:21 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 20:10:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 75R - R121 In-Reply-To: <20040817184715.GB10169@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200408150204.46632.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001201c48269$a95ae5a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <411F9EE6.7040903@sattnet.cz> <41222992.2020307@sattnet.cz> <20040817184715.GB10169@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <412257E1.1040108@sattnet.cz> Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): >On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 05:51:46PM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > >>Cim nahradit tento odpor v prijimaci? Tusim, ze rikal ze ma 68R a >>82R????? Vim, ze ho v GMe maji, ale muj zdejsi prodejce ho v rade proste >>nema :-(. On taky vse bere z GMe, ze, tak se neni cemu divit. Resp. je >>lepsi nizsi, nebo vyzsi nejblizsi ekvivalent? Nebo nahradit nejde vubec >>a musim jet do Brna kvuli dvema odporum za korunu? :-) >> >> > >Muze se to nahradit. Napsal jsem si do todo listu ze to mam dopsat do >ekvivalentu. Mozne je jak 82 tak 68. > > > Uff uz sem myslel, ze budu opet muset nekde najit 150ohm :-). Dam tam 82ohm. >Cl< > > >>Diky >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Regards, David Sedl??ek >>http://web.wifistar.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Aug 17 21:08:53 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Aug 17 21:11:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] mail server blbne Message-ID: <000a01c48496$059c32a0$0101a8c0@cz> Ahoj lidi, mam problem, nemuzu se dostat na archiv mail listu co je na webu: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja nevite jestli se neco nedeje? Diky...... Martin PS: nebo neni nekde jinde zadrhel?? ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040817/0aaa3927/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 17 21:30:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 17 21:31:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] mail server blbne In-Reply-To: <000a01c48496$059c32a0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000a01c48496$059c32a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040817203042.GA1245@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 10:08:53PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Ahoj lidi, > mam problem, nemuzu se dostat na archiv mail listu co je na webu: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja nevite jestli se neco nedeje? Nebezi jim tam HTTP server asi. clock@beton:~$ telnet lists.pointless.net 80 Trying 195.82.99.78... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused Cl< From gareth at sublime.org Wed Aug 18 01:27:49 2004 From: gareth at sublime.org (Gareth Coleman) Date: Wed Aug 18 01:27:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Polite request - can we try to keep reply-to messages relevant Message-ID: <003101c484ba$3157d600$3200000a@bronzebeauty> Slap me down if I'm out of order to mention it, but as it says on the mailing list rules: "When making a reply-to-reply-to-reply-..., please remove the least relevant part of the post to keep it from growing too big." NOTE I do not want to discourage anyone from posting - that's not what I mean at all - and I'm not seeing myself as moderator of the list or anything. There has been tons of great stuff on this list and reading it (the English bits anyway) helped me realise that Ronja was very much an active project. The existence of this community of people gives strength to the project in a different dimension to Clock's driving vision. I suspect that a successful open-source project has both a creative force at its core AND a supporting tribe of adopters, adaptors, donors and implementers. Maybe this explains why it has certain advantages over commercial projects where the interests of the company and the consumers are opposed to some extent. Companies struggle to establish a community of users - because the users know that the company has as its overriding directive - profit to the shareholders. With open-source, the commitment is the same for both producer and consumer - to the value of the idea - how useful it is to a whole community of developers and implementers/users. They are brought together when the users start using the product - then they have a place in the community and will receive (and eventually give) support. Users can migrate from casual users to implementers to developers :-) I am starting to use the Ronja project as a general model of a successful community based project - it has so many fab angles to it. All of the great strengths of the community approach - combined with the quality control that comes from a grown-up design process and of course, the man who makes it all tick, three cheers for Clock! ------------------------ Gareth Coleman From cbedison at centrum.cz Wed Aug 18 13:51:12 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Wed Aug 18 13:52:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem Message-ID: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> Zdravim, mam problem: sundal jsem ronju, u ktere nam uz nekolikrat odesel vstupni tranzistor v RX, a naposledy i NE592 (duvod mi neni jasny - staticka, rusni od WiFi ?). Vymenil jsem soucastky, ale na zemi mi to nechodi na vetsi vzdalenost nez 1 metr a to jeste s 9% packetlossem... Nevite nekdo cim to muze byt ? Diky Edison Radotin -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Aug 18 18:05:34 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Aug 18 18:08:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] mail server blbne References: <000a01c48496$059c32a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040817203042.GA1245@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002c01c48545$939e9de0$0101a8c0@cz> Je 18.8. 19.05 a tak jsem to zkusil...... uz jim to opet bezi. Zatim ahoj.... Martin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] mail server blbne > On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 10:08:53PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Ahoj lidi, > > mam problem, nemuzu se dostat na archiv mail listu co je na webu: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja nevite jestli se neco nedeje? > > Nebezi jim tam HTTP server asi. > > clock@beton:~$ telnet lists.pointless.net 80 > Trying 195.82.99.78... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Aug 18 18:11:41 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Aug 18 18:14:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> Taky se mi stalo a zjistil jsem proc. Mam tam ten BF988 a experimentalne jsem si dal onehda Ronju na strechu (v infra) pro ruzne testy. A obcas mi ten fetak odesel. Zjistil jsem, ze je to vzdy kdyz si zavysilam na KV jako radioamater. Mam antenu G5RV a cpu do ni 100W PA a od kabelu RG213 (k balunu) byl Ronja kabel asi 3metry. Takze si myslim, ze se naindukovalo nejake VF napeti na Ronja kabel a bylo po Ronje. Edisone mam takovou teorii: Zkus si pri vysilani na CB vypnout zesilovac a mozna ti Ronja neodejde :)) 73! Martin OK1MJO on HAM / CZ4MJO on CB or Lexa Doig on Counter-Strike servers...... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: [Ronja] Problem > Zdravim, > mam problem: > sundal jsem ronju, u ktere nam uz nekolikrat odesel vstupni tranzistor > v RX, a naposledy i NE592 (duvod mi neni jasny - staticka, rusni od > WiFi ?). Vymenil jsem soucastky, ale na zemi mi to nechodi na vetsi > vzdalenost nez 1 metr a to jeste s 9% packetlossem... Nevite nekdo cim > to muze byt ? > > Diky > > Edison Radotin > > -------------------- > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Aug 18 19:20:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Aug 18 19:20:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Polite request - can we try to keep reply-to messages relevant In-Reply-To: <003101c484ba$3157d600$3200000a@bronzebeauty> References: <003101c484ba$3157d600$3200000a@bronzebeauty> Message-ID: <20040818182005.GB757@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 01:27:49AM +0100, Gareth Coleman wrote: > Slap me down if I'm out of order to mention it, but as it says on the > mailing list rules: > > "When making a reply-to-reply-to-reply-..., please remove the least > relevant part of the post to keep it from growing too big." > > NOTE I do not want to discourage anyone from posting - that's not what I > mean at all - and I'm not seeing myself as moderator of the list or > anything. > > There has been tons of great stuff on this list and reading it (the > English bits anyway) helped me realise that Ronja was very much an > active project. The existence of this community of people gives strength > to the project in a different dimension to Clock's driving vision. I > suspect that a successful open-source project has both a creative force > at its core AND a supporting tribe of adopters, adaptors, donors and > implementers. > > Maybe this explains why it has certain advantages over commercial > projects where the interests of the company and the consumers are > opposed to some extent. Companies struggle to establish a community of > users - because the users know that the company has as its overriding > directive - profit to the shareholders. With open-source, the commitment > is the same for both producer and consumer - to the value of the idea - > how useful it is to a whole community of developers and > implementers/users. They are brought together when the users start using > the product - then they have a place in the community and will receive > (and eventually give) support. Users can migrate from casual users to > implementers to developers :-) > > I am starting to use the Ronja project as a general model of a > successful community based project - it has so many fab angles to it. > All of the great strengths of the community approach - combined with the > quality control that comes from a grown-up design process and of course, > the man who makes it all tick, three cheers for Clock! Thanks Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Aug 18 19:22:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Aug 18 19:23:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Cocky 130mm In-Reply-To: <1883.158.194.161.13.1092820019.squirrel@158.194.161.13> References: <200408171855.UAA15920@raven.upol.cz> <1883.158.194.161.13.1092820019.squirrel@158.194.161.13> Message-ID: <20040818182259.GC757@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 11:06:59AM +0200, Milan Kozak wrote: > Chtel bych jen uopozornit na 2 typy cocek 130mm v Holesovicke trznici... > Prvni typ jsou cocky v cervene krabici - relativne dobre, ohniskova > vzdalenost nebyva az tak rozdilna, velikost cocky je o neco min nez 130cm. > > Druhy ty jsou cocky v modre krabici. Jsou o neco vetsi ale maji docela > vyrazne posunutou ohniskovou vzdalenost! Ohniskovou vzdalenost je treba pred pouzitim zmerit. V navodu je ohniskova vzdalenost specifikovana v materialu. Pokud je odlisna, je treba upravit plane trubky (nepsal jsem uz ale jak protoze mi to prijde celkem slozite to parametricky vymyslet). > > Vse by melo byt jasne z nasledujici fotky > http://czfree-ol.net/jardak/images/optika/106_cocky_130_protrideno.jpg > > Zaver: Cena je stejna, ale modre nekupovat! > > V zari bude pristup do laboratori optometrie, takze se to zmeri poradne, > zatim to bylo mereno "po domacku"... Myslim, ze by nebylo od veci to do > "manualu" dopsat. Co tam mam napsat a kam? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Aug 18 19:25:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Aug 18 19:26:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040818182548.GE757@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 02:51:12PM +0200, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > Zdravim, > mam problem: > sundal jsem ronju, u ktere nam uz nekolikrat odesel vstupni tranzistor > v RX, a naposledy i NE592 (duvod mi neni jasny - staticka, rusni od > WiFi ?). Vymenil jsem soucastky, ale na zemi mi to nechodi na vetsi > vzdalenost nez 1 metr a to jeste s 9% packetlossem... Nevite nekdo cim > to muze byt ? Na jakou vzdalenost to chodilo na zemi nejvice pred tim? Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Aug 18 19:26:00 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Aug 18 19:26:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1092853560.41239f384c965@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Jo, problem muze byt kdyz je pobliz nejaky vysilac. Ronja ma totiz vazny problem s EMC. Zkuste pridat paralelne k C109 v primaci zenerovu diodu na napeti tak 15-16V, typ v podstate libovolny na zatizeni 0,5-2W. Prouzkem na spolecny bod tech 18R odporu a druhou nozickou na zem. Privody co nejkratsi. Taky je dobre natahnout vzajemne propojeni RX-TX koaxem misto dvojlinky. Stineni samozrejme na kostru, zilu na 12V. > Zdravim, > mam problem: > sundal jsem ronju, u ktere nam uz nekolikrat odesel vstupni tranzistor > v RX, a naposledy i NE592 (duvod mi neni jasny - staticka, rusni od > WiFi ?). Vymenil jsem soucastky, ale na zemi mi to nechodi na vetsi > vzdalenost nez 1 metr a to jeste s 9% packetlossem... Nevite nekdo cim > to muze byt ? > > Diky > > Edison Radotin > > -------------------- > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Wed Aug 18 19:57:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Aug 18 19:57:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040818185700.GG757@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 07:11:41PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: Aha, ja jsem zapomnel, ze cbedison je radioamater. Cbedisone, je to prosimte na baraku na kterym mas antenu od vysilacky? A pokud ano, pouzival jsem ji v dobe, kdy odesla Ronja? > Taky se mi stalo a zjistil jsem proc. > > Mam tam ten BF988 a experimentalne jsem si dal onehda Ronju na strechu (v > infra) pro ruzne testy. > A obcas mi ten fetak odesel. Zjistil jsem, ze je to vzdy kdyz si zavysilam > na KV jako radioamater. > Mam antenu G5RV a cpu do ni 100W PA a od kabelu RG213 (k balunu) byl Ronja > kabel asi 3metry. > Takze si myslim, ze se naindukovalo nejake VF napeti na Ronja kabel a bylo > po Ronje. Tohle bych povazoval asi za vadu Ronji, ale premyslim, jakym zpusobem zniceni tranzistoru nastava a jak ji odstranit. Protoze vsude je tam na napajeni spousta filtracnich kondenzatoru ktere jsem tam daval za timhle ucelem. Predpokladam ze se jedna o sinusovku na 27MHz, ktera tedy nekudy proleze dovnitr a tam bud odpraskne tranzistor primo, a nebo se nekde premeni na stejnosmerne napeti, ktere tranzistor odpraskne. RySe, kdyz ti to nastalo, mel jsi to v mechanickem provedeni podle navodu (pouze relevantni zalezitosti z tohohle hlediska - krabicku a thermal shield, zbytek asi neni podstatny)? Pokud ne, mohl bys to zkusit reprodukovat v tom mechanickem provedeni jake je v navodu? Cl< > > Edisone mam takovou teorii: > Zkus si pri vysilani na CB vypnout zesilovac a mozna ti Ronja neodejde :)) > > > 73! Martin OK1MJO on HAM / CZ4MJO on CB or Lexa Doig on > Counter-Strike servers...... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:51 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Problem > > > > Zdravim, > > mam problem: > > sundal jsem ronju, u ktere nam uz nekolikrat odesel vstupni tranzistor > > v RX, a naposledy i NE592 (duvod mi neni jasny - staticka, rusni od > > WiFi ?). Vymenil jsem soucastky, ale na zemi mi to nechodi na vetsi > > vzdalenost nez 1 metr a to jeste s 9% packetlossem... Nevite nekdo cim > > to muze byt ? > > > > Diky > > > > Edison Radotin > > > > -------------------- > > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Aug 18 19:55:52 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Aug 18 19:58:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> No jeste takova mala rada jak vyresit alespon z casti EMC. Ono totiz to VF napeti jde i po GND!!! coz si nekteri radioamateri taky neuvedomujou, takze davat kondy proti zemi ci ferit moc nepomuze. Ale temer vzdy mi pomohlo neco jineho. Vzit kus feritove tycky ze stredovlneho prijmace (maj je i v Conradu...) a namotat kolem neho 15 az 20 zavitu privodnim kabelem k Ronje (jakoby na trn o prumeru 3cm) a to cele stahnout samovulkanizujici paskou. Tento "balun" je vsak treba mit nejdale 30cm od Ronji, takze v podstate to mit "nalepene" na zadek rour. Pripadne koupit specialni koax co ma 2 zily uvnitr opleteni....sam ho pouzivam na rotator. Existuje i pro 4 vodicove vedeni.... TX, RX, 12V a zem je na opleteni 50 ohmu. Prodavaj to napriklad v Elixu. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > Taky se mi stalo a zjistil jsem proc. > > Mam tam ten BF988 a experimentalne jsem si dal onehda Ronju na strechu (v > infra) pro ruzne testy. > A obcas mi ten fetak odesel. Zjistil jsem, ze je to vzdy kdyz si zavysilam > na KV jako radioamater. > Mam antenu G5RV a cpu do ni 100W PA a od kabelu RG213 (k balunu) byl Ronja > kabel asi 3metry. > Takze si myslim, ze se naindukovalo nejake VF napeti na Ronja kabel a bylo > po Ronje. > > Edisone mam takovou teorii: > Zkus si pri vysilani na CB vypnout zesilovac a mozna ti Ronja neodejde :)) > > > 73! Martin OK1MJO on HAM / CZ4MJO on CB or Lexa Doig on > Counter-Strike servers...... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:51 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Problem > > > > Zdravim, > > mam problem: > > sundal jsem ronju, u ktere nam uz nekolikrat odesel vstupni tranzistor > > v RX, a naposledy i NE592 (duvod mi neni jasny - staticka, rusni od > > WiFi ?). Vymenil jsem soucastky, ale na zemi mi to nechodi na vetsi > > vzdalenost nez 1 metr a to jeste s 9% packetlossem... Nevite nekdo cim > > to muze byt ? > > > > Diky > > > > Edison Radotin From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Aug 18 20:06:10 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Wed Aug 18 20:07:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Cocky 130mm In-Reply-To: <20040818182259.GC757@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200408171855.UAA15920@raven.upol.cz> <1883.158.194.161.13.1092820019.squirrel@158.194.161.13> <20040818182259.GC757@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4123A8A2.8010305@sattnet.cz> Asi ne. Mam 4 kusy "FangDaJing" a vsechny ohnisko presne 325mm. Taky nemaji prumer 130mm. Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): >On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 11:06:59AM +0200, Milan Kozak wrote: > > >>Chtel bych jen uopozornit na 2 typy cocek 130mm v Holesovicke trznici... >>Prvni typ jsou cocky v cervene krabici - relativne dobre, ohniskova >>vzdalenost nebyva az tak rozdilna, velikost cocky je o neco min nez 130cm. >> >>Druhy ty jsou cocky v modre krabici. Jsou o neco vetsi ale maji docela >>vyrazne posunutou ohniskovou vzdalenost! >> >> > >Ohniskovou vzdalenost je treba pred pouzitim zmerit. V navodu je ohniskova >vzdalenost specifikovana v materialu. Pokud je odlisna, je treba >upravit plane trubky (nepsal jsem uz ale jak protoze mi to prijde celkem >slozite to parametricky vymyslet). > > > >>Vse by melo byt jasne z nasledujici fotky >>http://czfree-ol.net/jardak/images/optika/106_cocky_130_protrideno.jpg >> >>Zaver: Cena je stejna, ale modre nekupovat! >> >>V zari bude pristup do laboratori optometrie, takze se to zmeri poradne, >>zatim to bylo mereno "po domacku"... Myslim, ze by nebylo od veci to do >>"manualu" dopsat. >> >> > >Co tam mam napsat a kam? > >Cl< > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Wed Aug 18 20:10:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Aug 18 20:11:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <1092853560.41239f384c965@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <1092853560.41239f384c965@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040818191024.GH757@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:26:00PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Jo, problem muze byt kdyz je pobliz nejaky vysilac. Ronja ma totiz vazny problem > s EMC. > Zkuste pridat paralelne k C109 v primaci zenerovu diodu na napeti tak 15-16V, > typ v podstate libovolny na zatizeni 0,5-2W. Prouzkem na spolecny bod tech 18R > odporu a druhou nozickou na zem. Privody co nejkratsi. > Taky je dobre natahnout vzajemne propojeni RX-TX koaxem misto dvojlinky. Stineni > samozrejme na kostru, zilu na 12V. Uz to vidim - to vzajemne propojeni a ten nestineni RSSI kabel je s3kurity hole jako prase kterym se tam muze dostat nepratelsky exploit 27MHz :) To s tou zenerkou by se podle me delat nemelo - max. jako experiment. Protoze tak vysoky VF napeti tam nema co delat a stejne bude demolovat NE592 a vystupni omezovac. Navrhuju kdo muze a komu se chce to vyzkouset (a ma CB samozrejme ;-) ) s tim, ze nahradi spojovaci koax i RSSI kabel koaxialem. Korektnejsi reseni by bylo samozrejme jeste tyhle 2 kabely dfiltrovat (kdyz uz jsou lepe nez tyhle 2 kabely filtrovany privodni koaxy), ale to by tam vevnitr uz bylo tolik filtracnich soucastek, ze by stavitele z toho cvokarili. Chystam(e) se ted udelat brzo TX a RX na tistak, tak tam rovnou pridam tyhle opravy. Pisu si do TODO listu ze mam vsude prepsat, ze tyhle 2 kabely budou koaxialy. Cl< > > > > > > Zdravim, > > mam problem: > > sundal jsem ronju, u ktere nam uz nekolikrat odesel vstupni tranzistor > > v RX, a naposledy i NE592 (duvod mi neni jasny - staticka, rusni od > > WiFi ?). Vymenil jsem soucastky, ale na zemi mi to nechodi na vetsi > > vzdalenost nez 1 metr a to jeste s 9% packetlossem... Nevite nekdo cim > > to muze byt ? > > > > Diky > > > > Edison Radotin > > > > -------------------- > > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM > > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Aug 18 20:12:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Aug 18 20:12:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:55:52PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > No jeste takova mala rada jak vyresit alespon z casti EMC. > Ono totiz to VF napeti jde i po GND!!! coz si nekteri radioamateri taky > neuvedomujou, takze > davat kondy proti zemi ci ferit moc nepomuze. > Ale temer vzdy mi pomohlo neco jineho. > Vzit kus feritove tycky ze stredovlneho prijmace (maj je i v Conradu...) a > namotat kolem neho 15 az 20 zavitu privodnim > kabelem k Ronje (jakoby na trn o prumeru 3cm) a to cele stahnout > samovulkanizujici paskou. > Tento "balun" je vsak treba mit nejdale 30cm od Ronji, takze v podstate to > mit "nalepene" na zadek rour. > > Pripadne koupit specialni koax co ma 2 zily uvnitr opleteni....sam ho > pouzivam na rotator. > Existuje i pro 4 vodicove vedeni.... TX, RX, 12V a zem je na opleteni 50 > ohmu. > Prodavaj to napriklad v Elixu. Hehe a btw - co by se stalo kdyby ty dlouhy svody nahoru byly UTP? To by se podle me dost masivne naindukovalo do signalu a bylo to tak blizko pasma prenaseneho signalu, ze by to z toho uz filtracni trafka nedostaly ;-) Cl< > > Martin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "-=RYS=-" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > > > > Taky se mi stalo a zjistil jsem proc. > > [...] From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Aug 18 20:13:37 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Aug 18 20:16:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818185700.GG757@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000c01c48557$77085420$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 07:11:41PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Aha, ja jsem zapomnel, ze cbedison je radioamater. > Cbedisone, je to prosimte na baraku na kterym mas antenu od vysilacky? > A pokud ano, pouzival jsem ji v dobe, kdy odesla Ronja? > > > Taky se mi stalo a zjistil jsem proc. > > > > Mam tam ten BF988 a experimentalne jsem si dal onehda Ronju na strechu (v > > infra) pro ruzne testy. > > A obcas mi ten fetak odesel. Zjistil jsem, ze je to vzdy kdyz si zavysilam > > na KV jako radioamater. > > Mam antenu G5RV a cpu do ni 100W PA a od kabelu RG213 (k balunu) byl Ronja > > kabel asi 3metry. > > Takze si myslim, ze se naindukovalo nejake VF napeti na Ronja kabel a bylo > > po Ronje. > > Tohle bych povazoval asi za vadu Ronji, ale premyslim, jakym zpusobem zniceni > tranzistoru nastava a jak ji odstranit. Protoze vsude je tam na napajeni > spousta filtracnich kondenzatoru ktere jsem tam daval za timhle ucelem. > Predpokladam ze se jedna o sinusovku na 27MHz, ktera tedy nekudy proleze > dovnitr a tam bud odpraskne tranzistor primo, a nebo se nekde premeni na > stejnosmerne napeti, ktere tranzistor odpraskne. > > RySe, kdyz ti to nastalo, mel jsi to v mechanickem provedeni podle navodu > (pouze relevantni zalezitosti z tohohle hlediska - krabicku a thermal shield, > zbytek asi neni podstatny)? Pokud ne, mohl bys to zkusit reprodukovat v tom > mechanickem provedeni jake je v navodu? RX bylo na DPS v plech krabicce s thermal shieldem. Problem je vseobecne ve VF napeti co se dostava nazpet do RX po MINUSU!! (skrze plus to neprojde..mam tam 78M12 coz je 100% blocker pro VF na napajeni) nebo po DATA kabelu (TX/RX) . Uz jsem napsal jak by to slo zabezpecit v predchozim mailu. Proste namotat z kabelaze civku na jadru co nejblize k rouram. Jinak mam odzkousenou zhruba tuto tabulku od ktereho vykonu se znici BF988 ( od vykonu 1W PA se spolehlive zahlti) u me na strese : 1.8MHz ...... od1W 3.5MHz ...... od 30W 10MHz ...... od 5W 14MHz ...... od 20W 21MHz ..... od 40W 28MHz ..... od 50W 145MHz .... od 50W 435MHz ... od 4W 1296MHz ... od 1W 2380MHz .... od 100mW !!! (blizko je Wifi !! ) 10380MHz ... poustel jsem metr od toho do paraboly 27W PA a nic....Ronja porad prijmala Zjistil jsem, ze problem se zahlcenim je vzdy v RX nikoliv v TX...ten jel porad. Neco me napadlo....zkusim to nakreslit a poslat.....mozna by to slo upravit primo v RX !!!! a bylo by po srande. Martin > > Cl< > > > > Edisone mam takovou teorii: > > Zkus si pri vysilani na CB vypnout zesilovac a mozna ti Ronja neodejde :)) > > > > > > 73! Martin OK1MJO on HAM / CZ4MJO on CB or Lexa Doig on > > Counter-Strike servers...... > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:51 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] Problem > > > > > > > Zdravim, > > > mam problem: > > > sundal jsem ronju, u ktere nam uz nekolikrat odesel vstupni tranzistor > > > v RX, a naposledy i NE592 (duvod mi neni jasny - staticka, rusni od > > > WiFi ?). Vymenil jsem soucastky, ale na zemi mi to nechodi na vetsi > > > vzdalenost nez 1 metr a to jeste s 9% packetlossem... Nevite nekdo cim > > > to muze byt ? > > > > > > Diky > > > > > > Edison Radotin > > > > > > -------------------- > > > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM > > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Aug 18 20:15:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Aug 18 20:16:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040818191547.GA1017@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 11:25:43AM +0100, dave h wrote: > any idea on delivery of pcb's to u.k. > I've sent payment, but had no confirmation Who have you sent the payment to? I don't know about anyone I said to send payments to me to. Cl< > > Thanks Dave Hutchins From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Aug 18 20:15:32 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Aug 18 20:18:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz> I to lze jednodusse vyresit. A taky jsem to vyresil. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:55:52PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > No jeste takova mala rada jak vyresit alespon z casti EMC. > > Ono totiz to VF napeti jde i po GND!!! coz si nekteri radioamateri taky > > neuvedomujou, takze > > davat kondy proti zemi ci ferit moc nepomuze. > > Ale temer vzdy mi pomohlo neco jineho. > > Vzit kus feritove tycky ze stredovlneho prijmace (maj je i v Conradu...) a > > namotat kolem neho 15 az 20 zavitu privodnim > > kabelem k Ronje (jakoby na trn o prumeru 3cm) a to cele stahnout > > samovulkanizujici paskou. > > Tento "balun" je vsak treba mit nejdale 30cm od Ronji, takze v podstate to > > mit "nalepene" na zadek rour. > > > > Pripadne koupit specialni koax co ma 2 zily uvnitr opleteni....sam ho > > pouzivam na rotator. > > Existuje i pro 4 vodicove vedeni.... TX, RX, 12V a zem je na opleteni 50 > > ohmu. > > Prodavaj to napriklad v Elixu. > > Hehe a btw - co by se stalo kdyby ty dlouhy svody nahoru byly UTP? To by > se podle me dost masivne naindukovalo do signalu a bylo to tak blizko > pasma prenaseneho signalu, ze by to z toho uz filtracni trafka > nedostaly ;-) > > Cl< > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "-=RYS=-" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > > > > > > > Taky se mi stalo a zjistil jsem proc. > > > > [...] > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From hodza at czfree-ol.net Wed Aug 18 20:48:11 2004 From: hodza at czfree-ol.net (Milan Kozak) Date: Wed Aug 18 20:42:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Cocky 130mm In-Reply-To: <200408181915.VAA30000@raven.upol.cz> References: <200408181915.VAA30000@raven.upol.cz> Message-ID: <2415.158.194.161.13.1092858491.squirrel@158.194.161.13> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 11:06:59AM +0200, Milan Kozak wrote: >> Chtel bych jen uopozornit na 2 typy cocek 130mm v Holesovicke trznici... >> Prvni typ jsou cocky v cervene krabici - relativne dobre, ohniskova >> vzdalenost nebyva az tak rozdilna, velikost cocky je o neco min nez >> 130cm. >> >> Druhy ty jsou cocky v modre krabici. Jsou o neco vetsi ale maji docela >> vyrazne posunutou ohniskovou vzdalenost! > > Ohniskovou vzdalenost je treba pred pouzitim zmerit. V navodu je ohniskova > vzdalenost specifikovana v materialu. Pokud je odlisna, je treba > upravit plane trubky (nepsal jsem uz ale jak protoze mi to prijde celkem > slozite to parametricky vymyslet). > >> >> Vse by melo byt jasne z nasledujici fotky >> http://czfree-ol.net/jardak/images/optika/106_cocky_130_protrideno.jpg >> >> Zaver: Cena je stejna, ale modre nekupovat! >> >> V zari bude pristup do laboratori optometrie, takze se to zmeri poradne, >> zatim to bylo mereno "po domacku"... Myslim, ze by nebylo od veci to do >> "manualu" dopsat. > > Co tam mam napsat a kam? > > Cl< Asi by jsi tam mohl dopsal ze ty modry jsou strasny smejdy a meli by se nakupovat az kdyz nic jinyho nebude. (udelat s nimi to samozrejmne jde, ale je docela problem najit alespon dva kusy ktere by byly stejne). My jich takhle koupili hafool "zbytecne". Jel pro ne jeden clovek od nas z Olomouce az do Phy, takze ho to celkem nasralo (ackoliv za 65Kc,- to byl dobry business). Dalsi pouceni zni: "nejdriv zmerit ohniskovou vzdalenost a az potom delat mechaniku" (mi to delali soubezne). Budu se opakovat, ale jak je patrno z toho obrazku, tak u cervenych je rozdil F vzdalenosti maximalne do 5mm (experimentalni mereni), kdyzto u modrych je rozdil 150mm a to je celkem dost ;-). From clock at twibright.com Wed Aug 18 20:49:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Aug 18 20:49:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src> <001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040818194916.GA16013@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:15:32PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > I to lze jednodusse vyresit. A taky jsem to vyresil. A jak? Cl< > > Martin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:55:52PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > No jeste takova mala rada jak vyresit alespon z casti EMC. > > > Ono totiz to VF napeti jde i po GND!!! coz si nekteri radioamateri taky > > > neuvedomujou, takze > > > davat kondy proti zemi ci ferit moc nepomuze. > > > Ale temer vzdy mi pomohlo neco jineho. > > > Vzit kus feritove tycky ze stredovlneho prijmace (maj je i v Conradu...) > a > > > namotat kolem neho 15 az 20 zavitu privodnim > > > kabelem k Ronje (jakoby na trn o prumeru 3cm) a to cele stahnout > > > samovulkanizujici paskou. > > > Tento "balun" je vsak treba mit nejdale 30cm od Ronji, takze v podstate > to > > > mit "nalepene" na zadek rour. > > > > > > Pripadne koupit specialni koax co ma 2 zily uvnitr opleteni....sam ho > > > pouzivam na rotator. > > > Existuje i pro 4 vodicove vedeni.... TX, RX, 12V a zem je na opleteni 50 > > > ohmu. > > > Prodavaj to napriklad v Elixu. > > > > Hehe a btw - co by se stalo kdyby ty dlouhy svody nahoru byly UTP? To by > > se podle me dost masivne naindukovalo do signalu a bylo to tak blizko > > pasma prenaseneho signalu, ze by to z toho uz filtracni trafka > > nedostaly ;-) > > > > Cl< > > > > > > Martin > > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Aug 18 20:50:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Aug 18 20:51:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Cocky 130mm In-Reply-To: <2415.158.194.161.13.1092858491.squirrel@158.194.161.13> References: <200408181915.VAA30000@raven.upol.cz> <2415.158.194.161.13.1092858491.squirrel@158.194.161.13> Message-ID: <20040818195025.GB16013@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:48:11PM +0200, Milan Kozak wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 11:06:59AM +0200, Milan Kozak wrote: > >> Chtel bych jen uopozornit na 2 typy cocek 130mm v Holesovicke trznici... > >> Prvni typ jsou cocky v cervene krabici - relativne dobre, ohniskova > >> vzdalenost nebyva az tak rozdilna, velikost cocky je o neco min nez > >> 130cm. > >> > >> Druhy ty jsou cocky v modre krabici. Jsou o neco vetsi ale maji docela > >> vyrazne posunutou ohniskovou vzdalenost! > > > > Ohniskovou vzdalenost je treba pred pouzitim zmerit. V navodu je ohniskova > > vzdalenost specifikovana v materialu. Pokud je odlisna, je treba > > upravit plane trubky (nepsal jsem uz ale jak protoze mi to prijde celkem > > slozite to parametricky vymyslet). > > > >> > >> Vse by melo byt jasne z nasledujici fotky > >> http://czfree-ol.net/jardak/images/optika/106_cocky_130_protrideno.jpg > >> > >> Zaver: Cena je stejna, ale modre nekupovat! > >> > >> V zari bude pristup do laboratori optometrie, takze se to zmeri poradne, > >> zatim to bylo mereno "po domacku"... Myslim, ze by nebylo od veci to do > >> "manualu" dopsat. > > > > Co tam mam napsat a kam? > > > > Cl< > > Asi by jsi tam mohl dopsal ze ty modry jsou strasny smejdy a meli by se > nakupovat az kdyz nic jinyho nebude. (udelat s nimi to samozrejmne jde, > ale je docela problem najit alespon dva kusy ktere by byly stejne). Tak to napis do wiki - do navodu to nepatri, je to lokalni zalezitost. Cl< From cbedison at centrum.cz Wed Aug 18 21:59:02 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Wed Aug 18 22:00:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem Message-ID: <20040818205906Z2329213-21643+67022@mail.centrum.cz> zdravim, > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 02:51:12PM +0200, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > > Zdravim, > > mam problem: > > sundal jsem ronju, u ktere nam uz nekolikrat odesel vstupni tranzistor > > v RX, a naposledy i NE592 (duvod mi neni jasny - staticka, rusni od > > WiFi ?). Vymenil jsem soucastky, ale na zemi mi to nechodi na vetsi > > vzdalenost nez 1 metr a to jeste s 9% packetlossem... Nevite nekdo cim > > to muze byt ? > > Na jakou vzdalenost to chodilo na zemi nejvice pred tim? tusim 2.5 metru Edison Radotin -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From cbedison at centrum.cz Wed Aug 18 22:01:04 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Wed Aug 18 22:02:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem Message-ID: <20040818210118Z2331945-21640+67064@mail.centrum.cz> zdravim, > Taky se mi stalo a zjistil jsem proc. > > Mam tam ten BF988 a experimentalne jsem si dal onehda Ronju na strechu (v > infra) pro ruzne testy. > A obcas mi ten fetak odesel. Zjistil jsem, ze je to vzdy kdyz si zavysilam > na KV jako radioamater. > Mam antenu G5RV a cpu do ni 100W PA a od kabelu RG213 (k balunu) byl Ronja > kabel asi 3metry. > Takze si myslim, ze se naindukovalo nejake VF napeti na Ronja kabel a bylo > po Ronje. > > Edisone mam takovou teorii: > Zkus si pri vysilani na CB vypnout zesilovac a mozna ti Ronja neodejde :)) :) na CB zesilovac nepouzivam ;) a navic neodesla ronja kterou mam na balkone, ale na RAP-02 (pristupovy bod), pobliz (30cm) je sito 24dB, 15dB a vsesmer 12dB Edison Radotin -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From cbedison at centrum.cz Wed Aug 18 22:03:28 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Wed Aug 18 22:05:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem Message-ID: <20040818210341Z2335900-21640+67067@mail.centrum.cz> zdravim, > Aha, ja jsem zapomnel, ze cbedison je radioamater. > Cbedisone, je to prosimte na baraku na kterym mas antenu od vysilacky? > A pokud ano, pouzival jsem ji v dobe, kdy odesla Ronja? > Tohle bych povazoval asi za vadu Ronji, ale premyslim, jakym zpusobem zniceni > tranzistoru nastava a jak ji odstranit. Protoze vsude je tam na napajeni > spousta filtracnich kondenzatoru ktere jsem tam daval za timhle ucelem. > Predpokladam ze se jedna o sinusovku na 27MHz, ktera tedy nekudy proleze > dovnitr a tam bud odpraskne tranzistor primo, a nebo se nekde premeni na > stejnosmerne napeti, ktere tranzistor odpraskne. > > RySe, kdyz ti to nastalo, mel jsi to v mechanickem provedeni podle navodu > (pouze relevantni zalezitosti z tohohle hlediska - krabicku a thermal shield, > zbytek asi neni podstatny)? Pokud ne, mohl bys to zkusit reprodukovat v tom > mechanickem provedeni jake je v navodu? jak jsem psal, neni to na baraku kde mam CB antenu :) ale pobliz jsou WiFiny trubky mam hlinikove (coz by nemel byt problem se stinenim-vodive jsou taky), krabicky z GM AH-102 s vickem s chlopnema... Edison Radotin -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From clock at twibright.com Wed Aug 18 22:08:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Aug 18 22:08:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <20040818210341Z2335900-21640+67067@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040818210341Z2335900-21640+67067@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040818210802.GA29102@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > RySe, kdyz ti to nastalo, mel jsi to v mechanickem provedeni podle navodu > > (pouze relevantni zalezitosti z tohohle hlediska - krabicku a thermal shield, > > zbytek asi neni podstatny)? Pokud ne, mohl bys to zkusit reprodukovat v tom > > mechanickem provedeni jake je v navodu? > > jak jsem psal, neni to na baraku kde mam CB antenu :) ale pobliz jsou WiFiny > trubky mam hlinikove (coz by nemel byt problem se stinenim-vodive jsou taky), > krabicky z GM AH-102 s vickem s chlopnema... Tak zkus prosimte spojovaci (ten s 12V a GND) a RSSI draty predelat na stineny kabel jestli se to nespravi. Podle toho co psal RyS by to melo celkem problem s Wifinou. Nechapu proc jen jsi mel tak maly dosah na zemi kdyz jsi tam naletoval novy tranzistor. Cl< > > Edison Radotin > > -------------------- > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Thu Aug 19 06:11:33 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Thu Aug 19 06:12:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A89C@vestex01.vest.corp> > Chystam(e) se ted udelat brzo TX a RX na tistak, tak tam > rovnou pridam tyhle > opravy. > HURAAA!!! :-) -- Kosac From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Thu Aug 19 06:21:44 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Thu Aug 19 06:22:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] prehrivani 7805 In-Reply-To: <823587707.20040813235613@volny.cz> References: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> <20040813134137.GD603@beton.cybernet.src> <20040813134347.M52283@kihu.info> <20040813151014.GL603@beton.cybernet.src> <823587707.20040813235613@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040819051942.M42106@kihu.info> from [OndraT]: > KK> Jakub rikal ze je nedaval testovat. Tak jestli jsi uz delal > takovy to kontrolovani KK> ze vsechny soucastky maji spravne hodnoty > a jsou spravne zapajene, tak vem lupu KK> a prohledni tistak jestli > nekde nenajdes vlasovy zkrat. Pokud nenajdes, muze KK> byt jeste pod > nejakym svabem ukrytej na strane soucastek. > > KK> Pak pomuze Twister odpojit a slusmetrem promerit podle schematu > (to bude asi KK> dost zdlouhave) jestli nejsou nejake plosky spojeny > nekde navic. Maji sanci byt KK> spojene jen plosky/obrazce, ktere > nekde spolu sousedi pres mezeru. Vsechno sem provedl, jak si mi napsal, ale problem pretrvava... porad sviti POWER LED a Tx LED. Nestalo se to uz nekomu? plz help ROOTen From korda.m at seznam.cz Thu Aug 19 06:39:46 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Thu Aug 19 06:40:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818210341Z2335900-21640+67067@mail.centrum.cz> <20040818210802.GA29102@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000901c485ae$f0010960$02086b0a@atintel> Myslis, ze je lepsi koax nebo stinena dvojlinka? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > Tak zkus prosimte spojovaci (ten s 12V a GND) a RSSI draty predelat na > stineny kabel jestli se to nespravi. Podle toho co psal RyS by to melo > celkem problem s Wifinou. > Cl< From koala at vju.cz Thu Aug 19 08:36:39 2004 From: koala at vju.cz (Ondrej Koala Vacha) Date: Thu Aug 19 08:36:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A89C@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A89C@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > Chystam(e) se ted udelat brzo TX a RX na tistak, tak tam > > rovnou pridam tyhle > > opravy. > > > > HURAAA!!! > :-) > -- > Kosac Taky se pridam, aby to bylo vic slyset:) Huraaaaaaaa!!!! -- Ondrej Koala Vacha From clock at twibright.com Thu Aug 19 13:51:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Aug 19 13:51:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <000901c485ae$f0010960$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20040818210341Z2335900-21640+67067@mail.centrum.cz> <20040818210802.GA29102@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c485ae$f0010960$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040819125100.GA3224@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:39:46PM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: > Myslis, ze je lepsi koax nebo stinena dvojlinka? Udelej to pls s koaxem - stinena dvojlinka je podle me exotictejsi nez koax tak do navodu bude lepsi dat koax. A kdyz koax, tak abys to s tim rovnou vyzkousel ;-) Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > > >Tak zkus prosimte spojovaci (ten s 12V a GND) a RSSI draty predelat na > >stineny kabel jestli se to nespravi. Podle toho co psal RyS by to melo > >celkem problem s Wifinou. > >Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Aug 19 13:51:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Aug 19 13:52:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] prehrivani 7805 In-Reply-To: <20040819051942.M42106@kihu.info> References: <20040812123407.M68844@kihu.info> <20040813134137.GD603@beton.cybernet.src> <20040813134347.M52283@kihu.info> <20040813151014.GL603@beton.cybernet.src> <823587707.20040813235613@volny.cz> <20040819051942.M42106@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040819125152.GB3224@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 07:21:44AM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > from [OndraT]: > > KK> Jakub rikal ze je nedaval testovat. Tak jestli jsi uz delal > > takovy to kontrolovani KK> ze vsechny soucastky maji spravne hodnoty > > a jsou spravne zapajene, tak vem lupu KK> a prohledni tistak jestli > > nekde nenajdes vlasovy zkrat. Pokud nenajdes, muze KK> byt jeste pod > > nejakym svabem ukrytej na strane soucastek. > > > > KK> Pak pomuze Twister odpojit a slusmetrem promerit podle schematu > > (to bude asi KK> dost zdlouhave) jestli nejsou nejake plosky spojeny > > nekde navic. Maji sanci byt KK> spojene jen plosky/obrazce, ktere > > nekde spolu sousedi pres mezeru. > > Vsechno sem provedl, jak si mi napsal, ale problem pretrvava... porad sviti > POWER LED a Tx LED. Nestalo se to uz nekomu? plz help > ROOTen Tak vyfot jeste spodni stranu jaky stylem to mas letovany a dej odkaz na fotku, ja se na to podivam jak to vypada. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Aug 18 23:10:59 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Thu Aug 19 14:11:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818210341Z2335900-21640+67067@mail.centrum.cz><20040818210802.GA29102@beton.cybernet.src><000901c485ae$f0010960$02086b0a@atintel> <20040819125100.GA3224@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c48570$400f1c60$02086b0a@atintel> OK, dam tam teda 75ohm koax :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:39:46PM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >> Myslis, ze je lepsi koax nebo stinena dvojlinka? > > Udelej to pls s koaxem - stinena dvojlinka je podle me > exotictejsi nez koax tak do navodu bude lepsi dat koax. A kdyz > koax, tak abys to s tim rovnou vyzkousel ;-) > > Cl< >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karel Kulhav?" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem >> >> >Tak zkus prosimte spojovaci (ten s 12V a GND) a RSSI draty predelat na >> >stineny kabel jestli se to nespravi. Podle toho co psal RyS by to melo >> >celkem problem s Wifinou. >> >Cl< >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Aug 19 16:58:50 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Aug 19 17:01:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src> <001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818194916.GA16013@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001001c48605$6bb810c0$0101a8c0@cz> Pasmovou symetrickou propusti - dolni propust do 20MHz ktera galvanicky oddeli RX/TX od kabelaze. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:15:32PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > I to lze jednodusse vyresit. A taky jsem to vyresil. > > A jak? > > Cl< > > > > Martin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:55:52PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > No jeste takova mala rada jak vyresit alespon z casti EMC. > > > > Ono totiz to VF napeti jde i po GND!!! coz si nekteri radioamateri taky > > > > neuvedomujou, takze > > > > davat kondy proti zemi ci ferit moc nepomuze. > > > > Ale temer vzdy mi pomohlo neco jineho. > > > > Vzit kus feritove tycky ze stredovlneho prijmace (maj je i v Conradu...) > > a > > > > namotat kolem neho 15 az 20 zavitu privodnim > > > > kabelem k Ronje (jakoby na trn o prumeru 3cm) a to cele stahnout > > > > samovulkanizujici paskou. > > > > Tento "balun" je vsak treba mit nejdale 30cm od Ronji, takze v podstate > > to > > > > mit "nalepene" na zadek rour. > > > > > > > > Pripadne koupit specialni koax co ma 2 zily uvnitr opleteni....sam ho > > > > pouzivam na rotator. > > > > Existuje i pro 4 vodicove vedeni.... TX, RX, 12V a zem je na opleteni 50 > > > > ohmu. > > > > Prodavaj to napriklad v Elixu. > > > > > > Hehe a btw - co by se stalo kdyby ty dlouhy svody nahoru byly UTP? To by > > > se podle me dost masivne naindukovalo do signalu a bylo to tak blizko > > > pasma prenaseneho signalu, ze by to z toho uz filtracni trafka > > > nedostaly ;-) > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Aug 19 17:01:59 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Aug 19 17:04:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818210341Z2335900-21640+67067@mail.centrum.cz> <20040818210802.GA29102@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c485ae$f0010960$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <002d01c48605$dc3473c0$0101a8c0@cz> V zadnem pripade ne stinenou dvojlinku. To totiz neni koax, ale CIVKA !! to textilni vpleteni co je na stineni dela z minusu nadhernou civku. Doporucuji ti spise dvojitej koax (je moznost taky pouzit ten kabel pro rotatory na satelity.... 6 zil). Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milan Korda" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > Myslis, ze je lepsi koax nebo stinena dvojlinka? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > > > Tak zkus prosimte spojovaci (ten s 12V a GND) a RSSI draty predelat na > > stineny kabel jestli se to nespravi. Podle toho co psal RyS by to melo > > celkem problem s Wifinou. > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Aug 19 17:03:26 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Aug 19 17:06:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818210118Z2331945-21640+67064@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <005a01c48606$1007f820$0101a8c0@cz> Hmm....zrovna to nejhorsi co muze byt :( Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > zdravim, > > Taky se mi stalo a zjistil jsem proc. > > > > Mam tam ten BF988 a experimentalne jsem si dal onehda Ronju na strechu (v > > infra) pro ruzne testy. > > A obcas mi ten fetak odesel. Zjistil jsem, ze je to vzdy kdyz si zavysilam > > na KV jako radioamater. > > Mam antenu G5RV a cpu do ni 100W PA a od kabelu RG213 (k balunu) byl Ronja > > kabel asi 3metry. > > Takze si myslim, ze se naindukovalo nejake VF napeti na Ronja kabel a bylo > > po Ronje. > > > > Edisone mam takovou teorii: > > Zkus si pri vysilani na CB vypnout zesilovac a mozna ti Ronja neodejde :)) > > :) na CB zesilovac nepouzivam ;) a navic neodesla ronja kterou mam na balkone, ale na RAP-02 (pristupovy bod), pobliz (30cm) je sito 24dB, 15dB a vsesmer 12dB > > Edison Radotin > > -------------------- > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Aug 19 17:14:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Aug 19 17:15:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <001001c48605$6bb810c0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src> <001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818194916.GA16013@beton.cybernet.src> <001001c48605$6bb810c0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040819161438.GB3517@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 05:58:50PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Pasmovou symetrickou propusti - dolni propust do 20MHz ktera galvanicky > oddeli RX/TX od kabelaze. A jak se tam pripoji? Cl< > > Martin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:15:32PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > I to lze jednodusse vyresit. A taky jsem to vyresil. > > > > A jak? > > > > Cl< > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:55:52PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > > No jeste takova mala rada jak vyresit alespon z casti EMC. > > > > > Ono totiz to VF napeti jde i po GND!!! coz si nekteri radioamateri > taky > > > > > neuvedomujou, takze > > > > > davat kondy proti zemi ci ferit moc nepomuze. > > > > > Ale temer vzdy mi pomohlo neco jineho. > > > > > Vzit kus feritove tycky ze stredovlneho prijmace (maj je i v > Conradu...) > > > a > > > > > namotat kolem neho 15 az 20 zavitu privodnim > > > > > kabelem k Ronje (jakoby na trn o prumeru 3cm) a to cele stahnout > > > > > samovulkanizujici paskou. > > > > > Tento "balun" je vsak treba mit nejdale 30cm od Ronji, takze v > podstate > > > to > > > > > mit "nalepene" na zadek rour. > > > > > > > > > > Pripadne koupit specialni koax co ma 2 zily uvnitr opleteni....sam > ho > > > > > pouzivam na rotator. > > > > > Existuje i pro 4 vodicove vedeni.... TX, RX, 12V a zem je na > opleteni 50 > > > > > ohmu. > > > > > Prodavaj to napriklad v Elixu. > > > > > > > > Hehe a btw - co by se stalo kdyby ty dlouhy svody nahoru byly UTP? To > by > > > > se podle me dost masivne naindukovalo do signalu a bylo to tak blizko > > > > pasma prenaseneho signalu, ze by to z toho uz filtracni trafka > > > > nedostaly ;-) > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Aug 19 18:25:28 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Aug 19 18:28:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src> <001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818194916.GA16013@beton.cybernet.src> <001001c48605$6bb810c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040819161438.GB3517@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001401c48611$85aa19e0$0101a8c0@cz> Tady jsem neco vykoumal = http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/10M_receiver.png A uplne super by bylo dat na vstup 7812 a z venci do ni cpat tak 15V. Pres tenhle stabik (v TO220) se dost tezko dostava VF. Civky jsou z GME: TL.1uH (611-005) za 6,- Kc. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 05:58:50PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Pasmovou symetrickou propusti - dolni propust do 20MHz ktera galvanicky > > oddeli RX/TX od kabelaze. > > A jak se tam pripoji? Dal jsem tam trafo 20F001N v zapojeni jako pasmova oddelovaci propust. > > Cl< > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:15:32PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > I to lze jednodusse vyresit. A taky jsem to vyresil. > > > > > > A jak? > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:55:52PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > > > > No jeste takova mala rada jak vyresit alespon z casti EMC. > > > > > > Ono totiz to VF napeti jde i po GND!!! coz si nekteri radioamateri > > taky > > > > > > neuvedomujou, takze > > > > > > davat kondy proti zemi ci ferit moc nepomuze. > > > > > > Ale temer vzdy mi pomohlo neco jineho. > > > > > > Vzit kus feritove tycky ze stredovlneho prijmace (maj je i v > > Conradu...) > > > > a > > > > > > namotat kolem neho 15 az 20 zavitu privodnim > > > > > > kabelem k Ronje (jakoby na trn o prumeru 3cm) a to cele stahnout > > > > > > samovulkanizujici paskou. > > > > > > Tento "balun" je vsak treba mit nejdale 30cm od Ronji, takze v > > podstate > > > > to > > > > > > mit "nalepene" na zadek rour. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pripadne koupit specialni koax co ma 2 zily uvnitr opleteni....sam > > ho > > > > > > pouzivam na rotator. > > > > > > Existuje i pro 4 vodicove vedeni.... TX, RX, 12V a zem je na > > opleteni 50 > > > > > > ohmu. > > > > > > Prodavaj to napriklad v Elixu. > > > > > > > > > > Hehe a btw - co by se stalo kdyby ty dlouhy svody nahoru byly UTP? To > > by > > > > > se podle me dost masivne naindukovalo do signalu a bylo to tak blizko > > > > > pasma prenaseneho signalu, ze by to z toho uz filtracni trafka > > > > > nedostaly ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Aug 19 18:34:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Aug 19 18:35:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <001401c48611$85aa19e0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src> <001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818194916.GA16013@beton.cybernet.src> <001001c48605$6bb810c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040819161438.GB3517@beton.cybernet.src> <001401c48611$85aa19e0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040819173441.GE3710@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 07:25:28PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Tady jsem neco vykoumal = http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/10M_receiver.png > A uplne super by bylo dat na vstup 7812 a z venci do ni cpat tak 15V. Jenze to by pak nebylo zpetne kompatibilni s AUI Forte kde je na konektoru jen 12V. Navic mi prijde ze neustale zvysovat napajeci napeti protoze se po ceste 10x srazi na takovyhle pi*****ach je znacne neefektivni z hlesiska spotreby. Cl< > Pres tenhle stabik (v TO220) se dost tezko dostava VF. > Civky jsou z GME: TL.1uH (611-005) za 6,- Kc. > > Martin From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Aug 19 18:56:29 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Aug 19 18:57:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <20040818191024.GH757@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <1092853560.41239f384c965@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040818191024.GH757@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1092938189.4124e9cdbe17c@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:26:00PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Jo, problem muze byt kdyz je pobliz nejaky vysilac. Ronja ma totiz vazny > problem > > s EMC. > > Zkuste pridat paralelne k C109 v primaci zenerovu diodu na napeti tak > 15-16V, > > typ v podstate libovolny na zatizeni 0,5-2W. Prouzkem na spolecny bod tech > 18R > > odporu a druhou nozickou na zem. Privody co nejkratsi. > > Taky je dobre natahnout vzajemne propojeni RX-TX koaxem misto dvojlinky. > Stineni > > samozrejme na kostru, zilu na 12V. > > Uz to vidim - to vzajemne propojeni a ten nestineni RSSI kabel je s3kurity > hole jako prase kterym se tam muze dostat nepratelsky exploit 27MHz :) > > To s tou zenerkou by se podle me delat nemelo - max. jako experiment. > Protoze tak vysoky VF napeti tam nema co delat a stejne bude demolovat > NE592 a vystupni omezovac. > > Navrhuju kdo muze a komu se chce to vyzkouset (a ma CB samozrejme ;-) ) s > tim, > ze nahradi spojovaci koax i RSSI kabel koaxialem. > > Korektnejsi reseni by bylo samozrejme jeste tyhle 2 kabely dfiltrovat (kdyz > uz > jsou lepe nez tyhle 2 kabely filtrovany privodni koaxy), ale to by tam > vevnitr > uz bylo tolik filtracnich soucastek, ze by stavitele z toho cvokarili. > Chystam(e) se ted udelat brzo TX a RX na tistak, tak tam rovnou pridam > tyhle > opravy. > > Pisu si do TODO listu ze mam vsude prepsat, ze tyhle 2 kabely budou > koaxialy. > > Cl< Zenerka je tam takhle specialne na ochranu BF98x. Proste nesnasi ani kratkodobe prepeti (Jestli si jeste nikdo nevsim je to MOS). NE592 je pak chranen jen castecne a dostatecne. Jeste by se melo do navodu napsat ze ty propojovaci kabely by meli byt smotany jako UTP. Pokud delaj smycku, tak funguji jako antena a leze to tam prave tudu. From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Aug 19 19:06:36 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Aug 19 19:07:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <20040819173441.GE3710@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src> <001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040818194916.GA16013@beton.cybernet.src> <001001c48605$6bb810c0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040819161438.GB3517@beton.cybernet.src> <001401c48611$85aa19e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040819173441.GE3710@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1092938796.4124ec2ca2fe3@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Kua! Dejte tam tu zenerku, sem nad tim badal dost dlouho. A treba ji dejte i na RSSI. Ale hlavne smotat propojovaci kabely aby nepusobily jako smycka anteny! Krom toho jakakoliv civka pobliz BF98x predstavuje potencionalni prusvih. Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 07:25:28PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Tady jsem neco vykoumal = http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/10M_receiver.png > > A uplne super by bylo dat na vstup 7812 a z venci do ni cpat tak 15V. > > Jenze to by pak nebylo zpetne kompatibilni s AUI Forte kde je na konektoru > jen > 12V. Navic mi prijde ze neustale zvysovat napajeci napeti protoze se > po ceste 10x srazi na takovyhle pi*****ach je znacne neefektivni z hlesiska > spotreby. > > Cl< > > > Pres tenhle stabik (v TO220) se dost tezko dostava VF. > > Civky jsou z GME: TL.1uH (611-005) za 6,- Kc. > > > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Aug 19 19:14:58 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Thu Aug 19 19:16:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz><003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz><001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz><20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz><20040818194916.GA16013@beton.cybernet.src><001001c48605$6bb810c0$0101a8c0@cz><20040819161438.GB3517@beton.cybernet.src><001401c48611$85aa19e0$0101a8c0@cz><20040819173441.GE3710@beton.cybernet.src> <1092938796.4124ec2ca2fe3@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <000701c48618$6fe85250$0103450a@thechosen> a co transil? nesel by pouzit? Glo ---- Kua! Dejte tam tu zenerku, sem nad tim badal dost dlouho. A treba ji dejte i na RSSI. Ale hlavne smotat propojovaci kabely aby nepusobily jako smycka anteny! Krom toho jakakoliv civka pobliz BF98x predstavuje potencionalni prusvih. Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 07:25:28PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Tady jsem neco vykoumal = http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/10M_receiver.png > > A uplne super by bylo dat na vstup 7812 a z venci do ni cpat tak 15V. > > Jenze to by pak nebylo zpetne kompatibilni s AUI Forte kde je na konektoru > jen > 12V. Navic mi prijde ze neustale zvysovat napajeci napeti protoze se > po ceste 10x srazi na takovyhle pi*****ach je znacne neefektivni z hlesiska > spotreby. > > Cl< > > > Pres tenhle stabik (v TO220) se dost tezko dostava VF. > > Civky jsou z GME: TL.1uH (611-005) za 6,- Kc. > > > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Aug 19 19:33:30 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Aug 19 19:34:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz><003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz><001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz><20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz><20040818194916.GA16013@beton.cybernet.src><001001c48605$6bb810c0$0101a8c0@cz><20040819161438.GB3517@beton.cybernet.src><001401c48611$85aa19e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040819173441.GE3710@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001d01c4861b$06b23dc0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> hmm a proc by to melo b?t zpetne kompatibiln?? snad je dobr? to vylepsovat nez tahat v z?vesu star? probl?my a vubec mi nebude vadit, ikdyz to bude m?t dvakr?t vyss? spotrebu, kdyz to bude stabilnejs? Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem > On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 07:25:28PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Tady jsem neco vykoumal = http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/10M_receiver.png > > A uplne super by bylo dat na vstup 7812 a z venci do ni cpat tak 15V. > > Jenze to by pak nebylo zpetne kompatibilni s AUI Forte kde je na konektoru jen > 12V. Navic mi prijde ze neustale zvysovat napajeci napeti protoze se > po ceste 10x srazi na takovyhle pi*****ach je znacne neefektivni z hlesiska > spotreby. > > Cl< > > > Pres tenhle stabik (v TO220) se dost tezko dostava VF. > > Civky jsou z GME: TL.1uH (611-005) za 6,- Kc. > > > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Aug 19 19:36:01 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Aug 19 19:36:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz><003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz><001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz><20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz><20040818194916.GA16013@beton.cybernet.src><001001c48605$6bb810c0$0101a8c0@cz><20040819161438.GB3517@beton.cybernet.src> <001401c48611$85aa19e0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <002501c4861b$605d9040$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> nehlede na to, ze to bude m?t vzdy stejn?ch 12V a nedojde k tomu, jak tu nekdo nekdo popisoval, ze se mu se zmenou nap. napet? men? hodnoty mer?c?ch bodu ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem A uplne super by bylo dat na vstup 7812 a z venci do ni cpat tak 15V. Pres tenhle stabik (v TO220) se dost tezko dostava VF. Martin From koala at vju.cz Thu Aug 19 20:45:08 2004 From: koala at vju.cz (Ondrej Koala Vacha) Date: Thu Aug 19 20:45:47 2004 Subject: TX a RX tistaky kdy? (was: RE: [Ronja] Problem) In-Reply-To: References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A89C@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Ondrej Koala Vacha wrote: > On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > > > Chystam(e) se ted udelat brzo TX a RX na tistak, tak tam > > > rovnou pridam tyhle > > > opravy. > > > > > Muzu se optat, v jakem casovem horizontu se muzeme na tistaky tesit? Predpokladam, ze se budou menit i krabicky, nebo ne? s pozdravem -- Ondrej Koala Vacha From clock at twibright.com Thu Aug 19 20:58:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Aug 19 20:59:17 2004 Subject: TX a RX tistaky kdy? (was: RE: [Ronja] Problem) In-Reply-To: References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A89C@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20040819195840.GC25060@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 09:45:08PM +0200, Ondrej Koala Vacha wrote: > On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Ondrej Koala Vacha wrote: > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > > > > > Chystam(e) se ted udelat brzo TX a RX na tistak, tak tam > > > > rovnou pridam tyhle > > > > opravy. > > > > > > > > > > Muzu se optat, v jakem casovem horizontu se muzeme na tistaky tesit? > Predpokladam, ze se budou menit i krabicky, nebo ne? To nevim kdy to bude. Krabicky bych rad zachoval stejne velke nebo volitelne mensi. Cl< From jmi at atlas.cz Thu Aug 19 21:37:25 2004 From: jmi at atlas.cz (jmi) Date: Thu Aug 19 21:38:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nove topiky v mailingliste Message-ID: <001401c4862c$56a910e0$0103a8c0@jmi> cafte mozem poprosit, aby ste nepisali nove topiky sposobom, ze date reply a zmazete obsah povodneho emailu? totiz takym sposobom nezmazete meta data a mail klienti, ktory grupuju emaily podla tychto dat s tym maju potom taky problem, ze mam viacero threadov schovanych pod jednym a zle sa nasledne v tom orientuje dik jmi ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040819/8eec344b/attachment.htm From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Thu Aug 19 22:14:19 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Thu Aug 19 22:15:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <000701c48618$6fe85250$0103450a@thechosen> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz><003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz><001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz><20040818191220.GI757@beton.cybernet.src><001b01c48557$bb631ba0$0101a8c0@cz><20040818194916.GA16013@beton.cybernet.src><001001c48605$6bb810c0$0101a8c0@cz><20040819161438.GB3517@beton.cybernet.src><001401c48611$85aa19e0$0101a8c0@cz><20040819173441.GE3710@beton.cybernet.src> <1092938796.4124ec2ca2fe3@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <000701c48618$6fe85250$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <1092950059.4125182bbac02@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Nesel, ma moc velke tolerance. Ale sel by pridat primo na privody napajeni jako ochrana pred "bourkovou elektrinou". Quoting Michal Malusek : > a co transil? nesel by pouzit? > > Glo > > ---- > > > Kua! Dejte tam tu zenerku, sem nad tim badal dost dlouho. A treba ji dejte > i > na > RSSI. Ale hlavne smotat propojovaci kabely aby nepusobily jako smycka > anteny! > Krom toho jakakoliv civka pobliz BF98x predstavuje potencionalni prusvih. > > > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 07:25:28PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Tady jsem neco vykoumal = http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/10M_receiver.png > > > A uplne super by bylo dat na vstup 7812 a z venci do ni cpat tak 15V. > > > > Jenze to by pak nebylo zpetne kompatibilni s AUI Forte kde je na > konektoru > > jen > > 12V. Navic mi prijde ze neustale zvysovat napajeci napeti protoze se > > po ceste 10x srazi na takovyhle pi*****ach je znacne neefektivni z > hlesiska > > spotreby. > > > > Cl< > > > > > Pres tenhle stabik (v TO220) se dost tezko dostava VF. > > > Civky jsou z GME: TL.1uH (611-005) za 6,- Kc. > > > > > > Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From tristram at wtfhax.com Fri Aug 20 01:45:43 2004 From: tristram at wtfhax.com (Tristram Cheer) Date: Fri Aug 20 01:46:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ML 6652 Use? Message-ID: <1800.203.96.151.42.1092962743.squirrel@203.96.151.42> Hi all, in my search for 100mbit ronja i'm come across this media converter on a chip http://www.cdiweb.com/manufacturers/microlinear/DS6652-04r2.pdf It supports antuosenseing on the UTP and Optical Outputs and is pretty simple to assemble, the chips look cheap @ around $10 USD each, giving the ease and simple layout would be be a good alt to the current twister design? with a simple adjustment to the RX and TX head it would be able to support 10/100mbit optic link along with autosenseing utp port. Has anyone got any comments on this chip??? Cheers From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 20 06:55:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 20 06:55:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <1092950059.4125182bbac02@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <1092938796.4124ec2ca2fe3@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <000701c48618$6fe85250$0103450a@thechosen> <1092950059.4125182bbac02@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040820055500.GB190@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 11:14:19PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Nesel, ma moc velke tolerance. Ale sel by pridat primo na privody napajeni jako > ochrana pred "bourkovou elektrinou". My tu mame Ronji na strese a za bourky vzdycky odesly nejake switche a sitovky ale Ronji nikdy. Odesla nekomu za bourky Ronja? Zajimavy je, ze za bourky to neodejde, ale kvuli CB nebo WiFi jo - copak je ten blesk takova sracicka? ;-) Cl< From klapek at kki.net.pl Fri Aug 20 09:23:22 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Fri Aug 20 09:20:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ML 6652 Use? In-Reply-To: <1800.203.96.151.42.1092962743.squirrel@203.96.151.42> References: <1800.203.96.151.42.1092962743.squirrel@203.96.151.42> Message-ID: <200408201023.22733.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Friday 20 of August 2004 02:45, Tristram Cheer wrote: > http://www.cdiweb.com/manufacturers/microlinear/DS6652-04r2.pdf Isn't it the one Crusader is built around? > with a simple adjustment to the RX and TX head it would be able to > support 10/100mbit optic link along with autosenseing utp port. s/simple adjustment to/total redesign of/ But don't let it discourage you, keep digging :) From my thoughts on 100Mbps Ronja it should be a designed from scratch (ie. not based on current 10Mbps design), single box device: RX/TX/Interface all in one enclosure. Of course proper pointing of such a device could be a pain in the back, but this way we would get rid of line driver/receiver circuitry. And keep in mind that 100Mbps communication even over wires is nontrivial so line drivers/receivers could get complicated. One thing worth thinking of is whether the communication over air should be binary or multilevel as on 100Base-T. This determines the construction of receiver and transmitter circuitry so it should be the first decision to make. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 20 09:56:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 20 09:56:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ML 6652 Use? In-Reply-To: <200408201023.22733.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <1800.203.96.151.42.1092962743.squirrel@203.96.151.42> <200408201023.22733.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040820085609.GB32429@beton.cybernet.src> > But don't let it discourage you, keep digging :) > > From my thoughts on 100Mbps Ronja it should be a designed > from scratch (ie. not based on current 10Mbps design), single > box device: RX/TX/Interface all in one enclosure. Of course > proper pointing of such a device could be a pain in the back, > but this way we would get rid of line driver/receiver circuitry. > And keep in mind that 100Mbps communication even over wires is > nontrivial so line drivers/receivers could get complicated. > > One thing worth thinking of is whether the communication over > air should be binary or multilevel as on 100Base-T. This A multilevel marketing. Good idea ;-) > determines the construction of receiver and transmitter > circuitry so it should be the first decision to make. > > Regards, > Tomek Koprowski > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Fri Aug 20 17:03:45 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Aug 20 14:02:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister kompatibilni s ASUSwl500 In-Reply-To: <200408201023.22733.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <1800.203.96.151.42.1092962743.squirrel@203.96.151.42> <200408201023.22733.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <412620E1.8010109@katka.biz> Zdravim, otestoval sem Tetrapolis pripojenou mezi PC a hubem na ASUS wl500 a pod stolem to slape bez problemu. p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 20 14:05:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 20 14:06:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister kompatibilni s ASUSwl500 In-Reply-To: <412620E1.8010109@katka.biz> References: <1800.203.96.151.42.1092962743.squirrel@203.96.151.42> <200408201023.22733.klapek@kki.net.pl> <412620E1.8010109@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040820130534.GB770@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 03:03:45PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Zdravim, > otestoval sem Tetrapolis pripojenou mezi PC a hubem na ASUS wl500 a pod > stolem to slape bez problemu. ASUS wl500 je co? Motherboard? Chces tim rict, ze to funguje s jeho integrovanou sitovkou? Cl< > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Fri Aug 20 17:28:29 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Aug 20 14:26:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister kompatibilni s ASUSwl500 In-Reply-To: <20040820130534.GB770@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1800.203.96.151.42.1092962743.squirrel@203.96.151.42> <200408201023.22733.klapek@kki.net.pl> <412620E1.8010109@katka.biz> <20040820130534.GB770@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <412626AD.7090603@katka.biz> hwAP od firmy Asus co bezi na Linuxu. Ma tri rozhrani LAN (4port hub - tam je twister pripojeny), WLAN (wifi s regulaci vykonu) a WAN. Necha se nastavit i do rezimu klient. Muze pak fungovat jako PC router s wifi a firewallem vcetne NAT, dhcp http ci ftp serveru.... Prez usb je mozny pripojit zarizeni jako tiskarna usb disk nebo webkameru, ale to nemam otestovane. Vic detailu najdes na strankach asus, i4 ci diskuzich czfree.net a chupa.nl p0l0us Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 03:03:45PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > >>Zdravim, >>otestoval sem Tetrapolis pripojenou mezi PC a hubem na ASUS wl500 a pod >>stolem to slape bez problemu. >> >> > >ASUS wl500 je co? Motherboard? Chces tim rict, ze to funguje s jeho >integrovanou sitovkou? > >Cl > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040820/9e30709a/attachment.htm From uidas at ono.com Fri Aug 20 14:26:20 2004 From: uidas at ono.com (uidas) Date: Fri Aug 20 14:28:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister kompatibilni s ASUSwl500 References: <1800.203.96.151.42.1092962743.squirrel@203.96.151.42><200408201023.22733.klapek@kki.net.pl> <412620E1.8010109@katka.biz> Message-ID: <020501c486b9$48435320$0200a8c0@uidas> I don't understand your language but I think you are talking about connecting an Asus WL-500G wireless router to Tetrapolis. The speed of WAN port from wl-500g can be forced to 10FULLl using a customized firmware. So it could be connected to Tetrapolis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:03 PM Subject: [Ronja] Twister kompatibilni s ASUSwl500 > Zdravim, > otestoval sem Tetrapolis pripojenou mezi PC a hubem na ASUS wl500 a pod > stolem to slape bez problemu. > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Fri Aug 20 18:02:55 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Aug 20 15:01:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister kompatibilni s ASUSwl500 In-Reply-To: <020501c486b9$48435320$0200a8c0@uidas> References: <1800.203.96.151.42.1092962743.squirrel@203.96.151.42><200408201023.22733.klapek@kki.net.pl> <412620E1.8010109@katka.biz> <020501c486b9$48435320$0200a8c0@uidas> Message-ID: <41262EBF.60801@katka.biz> I wrote it works. clock asks me what wl500 is. p0l0us uidas wrote: >I don't understand your language but I think you are talking about >connecting an Asus WL-500G wireless router to Tetrapolis. The speed of WAN >port from wl-500g can be forced to 10FULLl using a customized firmware. So >it could be connected to Tetrapolis. > From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 20 01:04:02 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Fri Aug 20 16:04:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 DIL 8 Message-ID: <004701c48649$33ad0c50$02086b0a@atintel> Zde byl um?st?n nep?ijateln? obsah typu: multipart/alternative------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: Schema NE592 DIL8.PNG Typ: image/png Velikost: 211660 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040819/327adec2/SchemaNE592DIL8-0001.png From m.malusek at seznam.cz Fri Aug 20 16:28:41 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Fri Aug 20 16:29:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 DIL 8 References: <004701c48649$33ad0c50$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <001501c486ca$5f967c30$0103450a@thechosen> na twisterovy v poho, jen se ti tam vetsinou asi nevejdou :) ja to vyresil tak ze sem dal do patic jen ty linearni drivery. kdyz je neco odpali (neni tam filtr) tak ho vymenim. jinak jsou patice asi zbytecne. do rx bych patici nedaval, blbe se k te krabicce muze a kdyby ti to tam neja zoxidovalo tak nic moc. Glo ---- Nahradil jsem ve schematu NE592ku DIL 14 za DIL 8, tak mi pls zkontrolujte jestli to je dobre, podle me jo :) A jeste maly dotaz, muzu dat NE592 a vsechny obvody na twisteru do patic? _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 20 19:01:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 20 19:02:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 DIL 8 In-Reply-To: <004701c48649$33ad0c50$02086b0a@atintel> References: <004701c48649$33ad0c50$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040820180135.GC1389@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 05:04:02PM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: > Nahradil jsem ve schematu NE592ku DIL 14 za DIL 8, tak mi pls zkontrolujte > jestli to je dobre, podle me jo :) To se nak zjistilo ze DIL8 tam bejt nemuze - jsou problemy s VF stabilitou, a nejen na Ronje. > A jeste maly dotaz, muzu dat NE592 a vsechny obvody na twisteru do patic? Jo to jo jedine riziko je spatny kontakt na patici. Na hlavici to jeste muze z patice vylezt periodickymi zmenami teploty. Cl< > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 20 04:11:47 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Fri Aug 20 19:12:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 DIL 8 References: <004701c48649$33ad0c50$02086b0a@atintel> <20040820180135.GC1389@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000501c48663$6e2613d0$02086b0a@atintel> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] NE592 DIL 8 > On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 05:04:02PM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >> Nahradil jsem ve schematu NE592ku DIL 14 za DIL 8, tak mi pls >> zkontrolujte >> jestli to je dobre, podle me jo :) > > To se nak zjistilo ze DIL8 tam bejt nemuze - jsou problemy s VF > stabilitou, > a nejen na Ronje. Tak to si me nepotesil, doufam ze jeste DIL 14 sezenu... > >> A jeste maly dotaz, muzu dat NE592 a vsechny obvody na twisteru do patic? > > Jo to jo jedine riziko je spatny kontakt na patici. Na hlavici to jeste > muze > z patice vylezt periodickymi zmenami teploty. > Dik, do patice dam asi jen to co pujde na twistrovi :) > Cl< > >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 20 19:19:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 20 19:20:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] NE592 DIL 8 In-Reply-To: <001501c486ca$5f967c30$0103450a@thechosen> References: <004701c48649$33ad0c50$02086b0a@atintel> <001501c486ca$5f967c30$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040820181940.GF1389@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 05:28:41PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > na twisterovy v poho, jen se ti tam vetsinou asi nevejdou :) ja to vyresil > tak ze sem dal do patic jen ty linearni drivery. kdyz je neco odpali (neni > tam filtr) tak ho vymenim. jinak jsou patice asi zbytecne. do rx bych patici > nedaval, blbe se k te krabicce muze a kdyby ti to tam neja zoxidovalo tak > nic moc. Jaky patice jsi pouzival? Ja jsem nedal do patic vsechno ale mel jsem pocit ze se tam vejdou. Ale asi by se to melo trochu nafouknout ten tistak, snazil jsem se to udelat aby to bylo co nejlevnejsi na dm^2, ale jak se ted koukam jak to lidi davaj delat po stovkach kolem 130 CZK, tak uz ta cena neni moc podstatna ;-) Cl< > > Glo > > ---- > > Nahradil jsem ve schematu NE592ku DIL 14 za DIL 8, tak mi pls zkontrolujte > jestli to je dobre, podle me jo :) > A jeste maly dotaz, muzu dat NE592 a vsechny obvody na twisteru do patic? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 20 21:13:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 20 21:14:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Navod na testovani In-Reply-To: <41263813.7060905@katka.biz> References: <41263813.7060905@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> Ahoj Summary: Czech translation of Tetrapolis testing has been added D?ky za p?eklad, p?idal jsem ho tam. Byly tam n?jak? pravopisn? chyby - i/y a chyb?j?c? h??ky a ??rky. Ty jsem opravil, v n?kolika m?stech zm?nil n?jak? slovo nebo n?co p?ipsal. Na n?kolika m?stech bylo m?sto < < (< je v HTML zna?ka za??tku tagu): < < > > & & Barvi?ky se mi l?b? :) P?eklad je p?knej a je tam i v?c ne? v anglick? verzi - v?imnul jsem si hlavn? t?ch 2 Twister? proti sob?. http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php Dopsal jsem ?esky je?t? index_cz.php http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/index_cz.php Cl< On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 04:42:43PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Ahoj, > posilam ti navod (Cj) na testovani tetrapolis. > > Bohuzel clovek, co se ozval ze skontroluje Aj mi to spatky neposlal, tak > pockam, co reknes na cj verzi a pripadne skusim sehnat nekoho jinyho. > Texty ladeni a mereni Ber jsou opsane od puvodnich, jen sem je zjednodusil. > > Co sem odstranil jsou caste odkazy na kernel a dalsi. Myslim, ze clovek, > ktery bude chtit otestovat ronju a nebude vedet, co je linux bude tezko > studovat jeho jadro jake je stable atd. Preci jenom by to asi vyslo na > mnohem delsi dobu, nez test tetrapolis samotny. Misto toho by tam meli > byt odkazy na knopix ci suse liveCD nebo podobne distribuce na max. 1cd, > co si clovek stahne, spusti a bezny hw (3c509 apod..) mu pod tim bezi. V > sestavovani distribuci se nevyznam, ale kdyzby na webu byla ke stazeni > nejaka ?Ronji? distribuce oholena na par disket ci minicd, co se pouziva > treba na routery, bylo by to asi uplne nejlepsi. > > Protoze (predpokladam) bude dochazet k vyvoji os, budou prichazet > postupy konfigurovani i pro jine os nez linux, udelal sem odkazy na > wikynu a tam dal jak se to pod linuxem dela. > > Je mi lito, ze to nedokazu anglicky spracovat sam. Napis, jestli ti ta > CJ verze vyhovuje a jestli mam nechat doladit anglickou do stejny podoby. > > Pekny den > p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 20 21:14:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 20 21:15:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Foto do galerie In-Reply-To: <1093031590.412656a67a2c2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <1093031590.412656a67a2c2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040820201457.GC2428@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:53:10PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Zdar, > vec vyobrazena v priloze byla vyzkousena s cca 25m UPT kabelem a pracuje dobre. > Krabice je typ U-AH313 z GME, chladic taktez. Testoval jsi nejak jestli se tomu nesnizil dosah? Kudy bylo tech 25 metru kabelu vedeno, melo to sanci inkasovat i nejake ruseni zvenku pro zkousku? Cl< > > Petr Seliger From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 20 21:29:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 20 21:29:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001001c35607$11945740$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> References: <001001c35607$11945740$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <20040820202908.GA2596@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 09:24:45PM +0200, miro wrote: > postavil som aui ronju s 130mm ide mi na cca 850m uz asi 8mesiacov a posledne > dva tyzdne mi zacali vypadavat 1500 pakety neviete mi poradit na oplatku > poradim pri stavbe ethernet ronje tp 10 jan.2004 ktora mi funguje pod > linuxom,win.bsd Mate vsechno udelane podle navodu nebo jsou tam nejake odchylky? Cl< > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Aug 20 23:30:01 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Aug 20 23:30:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] divna fotka :-) Message-ID: <001601c48705$3bd4bb00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> http://images.twibright.com/tns/lvl2/ee0.jpg a ty za odkazem ... jsou tam jinak konektory, a jak tak koukam, je to i jina revize ti=9A=9D=E1= ku :-) j=E1 to m=E1m takto: http://www.cipis.net/ronja/foto/P8210880.JPG Cipis From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 08:09:38 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=9Aek?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 08:10:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] divna fotka :-) References: <001601c48705$3bd4bb00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <000d01c4874d$d2b3d950$0103450a@thechosen> podle me jsou stejne, ty jen mas misto konektoru na ledky primo ledky a misto konektoru pro stablik primo stablik. a ve vsech konektorech jsou zasazene protikusy bez kontaktu, jen tk pro efekt. Glo ------- http://images.twibright.com/tns/lvl2/ee0.jpg a ty za odkazem ... jsou tam jinak konektory, a jak tak koukam, je to i jina revize tišťáku :-) já to mám takto: http://www.cipis.net/ronja/foto/P8210880.JPG Cipis _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Aug 21 08:53:00 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Aug 21 08:53:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] divna fotka :-) References: <001601c48705$3bd4bb00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <000d01c4874d$d2b3d950$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <000701c48753$e16d79a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> no nejsou, proto=9Ee na ti=9A=9D=E1ku je jedni=E8ka naho=F8e na obou stra= n=E1ch, tak=9Ee ta jedna strana je =9Apatn=EC, minim=E1ln=EC teda ten 4 pin konektor Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Mal=F9=9Aek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] divna fotka :-) > podle me jsou stejne, ty jen mas misto konektoru na ledky primo ledky a > misto konektoru pro stablik primo stablik. a ve vsech konektorech jsou > zasazene protikusy bez kontaktu, jen tk pro efekt. > > Glo > > ------- > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/lvl2/ee0.jpg > a ty za odkazem ... > jsou tam jinak konektory, a jak tak koukam, je to i jina revize ti=9A=9D= =E1ku :-) > > j=E1 to m=E1m takto: > http://www.cipis.net/ronja/foto/P8210880.JPG > > > Cipis > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Aug 21 09:44:46 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 09:45:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Navod na testovani In-Reply-To: <20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41263813.7060905@katka.biz> <20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41270B7E.9000700@sattnet.cz> http://ronja.twibright.com/datasheets/ronjaping.tar.gz nefunguje. Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): >Ahoj > >Summary: Czech translation of Tetrapolis testing has been added > >D?ky za p?eklad, p?idal jsem ho tam. Byly tam n?jak? pravopisn? chyby - >i/y a chyb?j?c? h??ky a ??rky. Ty jsem opravil, v n?kolika m?stech zm?nil >n?jak? slovo nebo n?co p?ipsal. Na n?kolika m?stech bylo m?sto < < >(< je v HTML zna?ka za??tku tagu): > > < < > > > > & & > >Barvi?ky se mi l?b? :) P?eklad je p?knej a je tam i v?c ne? v anglick? >verzi - v?imnul jsem si hlavn? t?ch 2 Twister? proti sob?. > >http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php > >Dopsal jsem ?esky je?t? index_cz.php >http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/index_cz.php > >Cl< > >On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 04:42:43PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > >>Ahoj, >>posilam ti navod (Cj) na testovani tetrapolis. >> >>Bohuzel clovek, co se ozval ze skontroluje Aj mi to spatky neposlal, tak >>pockam, co reknes na cj verzi a pripadne skusim sehnat nekoho jinyho. >>Texty ladeni a mereni Ber jsou opsane od puvodnich, jen sem je zjednodusil. >> >>Co sem odstranil jsou caste odkazy na kernel a dalsi. Myslim, ze clovek, >>ktery bude chtit otestovat ronju a nebude vedet, co je linux bude tezko >>studovat jeho jadro jake je stable atd. Preci jenom by to asi vyslo na >>mnohem delsi dobu, nez test tetrapolis samotny. Misto toho by tam meli >>byt odkazy na knopix ci suse liveCD nebo podobne distribuce na max. 1cd, >>co si clovek stahne, spusti a bezny hw (3c509 apod..) mu pod tim bezi. V >>sestavovani distribuci se nevyznam, ale kdyzby na webu byla ke stazeni >>nejaka ?Ronji? distribuce oholena na par disket ci minicd, co se pouziva >>treba na routery, bylo by to asi uplne nejlepsi. >> >>Protoze (predpokladam) bude dochazet k vyvoji os, budou prichazet >>postupy konfigurovani i pro jine os nez linux, udelal sem odkazy na >>wikynu a tam dal jak se to pod linuxem dela. >> >>Je mi lito, ze to nedokazu anglicky spracovat sam. Napis, jestli ti ta >>CJ verze vyhovuje a jestli mam nechat doladit anglickou do stejny podoby. >> >>Pekny den >>p0l0us >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From polous at katka.biz Sat Aug 21 12:52:48 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Aug 21 09:51:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Navod na testovani In-Reply-To: <41270B7E.9000700@sattnet.cz> References: <41263813.7060905@katka.biz> <20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> <41270B7E.9000700@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <41273790.5010703@katka.biz> Navod byl pridany vcera a zapomel jsem link na Slax a ronjaping zkontrolovat. Moje chyba, spravny odkaz je: http://www.slax.cz http://ronja.twibright.com/datasheets/ronjaping-20040101.tgz p0l0us From polous at katka.biz Sat Aug 21 13:04:13 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Aug 21 10:02:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] divna fotka :-) In-Reply-To: <001601c48705$3bd4bb00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <001601c48705$3bd4bb00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <41273A3D.2010701@katka.biz> Cipis wrote: >http://images.twibright.com/tns/lvl2/ee0.jpg >a ty za odkazem ... >jsou tam jinak konektory, a jak tak koukam, je to i jina revize tišťáku :-) > >já to mám takto: >http://www.cipis.net/ronja/foto/P8210880.JPG > > >Cipis > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > osobne mam na tw. konektory uplne stejne, akorat muze byt zavadejci ze na clockove obrazku je jedna led proklemovana cernym switchem (nemam na mysli prepinace). To sice muze byt zavadejci, ale kdyz sem to stavel, tak mi na tom nic moc divnyho neprislo, pac sem mel tistak, schema a predstavu jak to ma fungovat. Jestli odeberu predstavu, tak podle navodu je to taky funkcni. Jediny co me trochu zmatlo z nepozornosti byl D59 pac je obracene polarizace oproti ostatnim. p0l0us From polous at katka.biz Sat Aug 21 13:29:29 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Aug 21 10:27:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis In-Reply-To: <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <41274029.60607@katka.biz> Jen drobnost: co je lespi pouzit ? 1) 12V 400mA - Tetrapolis 340mA + 60mA rezerva 12V 200mA - Vytapeni 200mA - ma pojistku na 200mA 2) 12V 650mA - Tetrapolis (ronja twister) 350mA, Vytapeni 200mA, rezerva 100mA + vypinac vytapeni. Dalsi otazkou je jestli se takove zdroje vubec prodavaji. :) btw. kdyzbyste nekdo vedel, kde v praze se daji levne sehnat zdroje (aniz by se po dni zapojeni roztekly) dejte vedet. (GME, GES, PSe, karlak nepiste o nich vime snad vseci) Zdar a silu najdes v .... p0l0us From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 20 20:10:49 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 21 11:11:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen><200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> Message-ID: <000701c486e9$67e8d2b0$02086b0a@atintel> Pokud jsem navod pochopil spravne, tak je kazda hlavice vytapena asi 4.5W (4x1,125), takze na vytapeni potrebujes minimalne 375mA zdroj. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 5:29 AM Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis > Jen drobnost: > > co je lespi pouzit ? > > 1) > 12V 400mA - Tetrapolis 340mA + 60mA rezerva > 12V 200mA - Vytapeni 200mA - ma pojistku na 200mA > > 2) > 12V 650mA - Tetrapolis (ronja twister) 350mA, Vytapeni 200mA, rezerva > 100mA + vypinac vytapeni. > > Dalsi otazkou je jestli se takove zdroje vubec prodavaji. :) > > btw. kdyzbyste nekdo vedel, kde v praze se daji levne sehnat zdroje (aniz > by se po dni zapojeni roztekly) dejte vedet. (GME, GES, PSe, karlak > nepiste o nich vime snad vseci) > > Zdar a silu najdes v .... > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Sat Aug 21 14:17:43 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Aug 21 11:15:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis In-Reply-To: <000701c486e9$67e8d2b0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen><200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <000701c486e9$67e8d2b0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <41274B77.9020400@katka.biz> podle: http://ronja.twibright.com/heating/material.php se pouziva 200mA pojistka a 200mA zdroj. Nepocital sem to. je tam chyba ? p0l0us Milan Korda wrote: > Pokud jsem navod pochopil spravne, tak je kazda hlavice vytapena asi > 4.5W (4x1,125), takze na vytapeni potrebujes minimalne 375mA zdroj. From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 20 21:08:13 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 21 12:08:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen><200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz><000701c486e9$67e8d2b0$02086b0a@atintel> <41274B77.9020400@katka.biz> Message-ID: <000701c486f1$6c9745f0$02086b0a@atintel> Jestli to je teda vytapeno jen 2.4W, tak to pak ty 4 odpory musi byt 15ohm a ne 8.2 (pri napeti 12V a zapojeni do serie) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis > podle: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/heating/material.php se pouziva 200mA pojistka > a 200mA zdroj. Nepocital sem to. > > je tam chyba ? > > p0l0us > > Milan Korda wrote: > >> Pokud jsem navod pochopil spravne, tak je kazda hlavice vytapena asi 4.5W >> (4x1,125), takze na vytapeni potrebujes minimalne 375mA zdroj. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sat Aug 21 12:09:35 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sat Aug 21 12:10:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Foto do galerie In-Reply-To: <20040820201457.GC2428@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1093031590.412656a67a2c2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040820201457.GC2428@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1093086575.41272d6f6ed94@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:53:10PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Zdar, > > vec vyobrazena v priloze byla vyzkousena s cca 25m UPT kabelem a pracuje > dobre. > > Krabice je typ U-AH313 z GME, chladic taktez. > > Testoval jsi nejak jestli se tomu nesnizil dosah? Kudy bylo tech 25 metru > kabelu vedeno, melo to sanci inkasovat i nejake ruseni zvenku pro zkousku? > Kabel vede castecne po pude a pak kolem silne zarusene laboratore spolecne s dalsi kabelazi. Zbyvajicimi 4mi zilami vede 12V primo ze spinaneho zdroje HUBu nebo pocitace. Dve se neosvedcily, maji moc velky odpor. Je to pripojeno k RX na plosnem spoji vlastni konstrukce, TX klasicky s diodou od Ondry Tesare (H...F4000?), bez optiky a stineni data prochazi jeste pri cca 60-80mV RSSI. (S TWISTREM pozorovan rapidne mensi dosah nez s AUI, ale to je asi schvalne?!) V provozu je na strane RX u HUBu RSSI 0,6V a na druhe 200mV (Je ujeta TX trubka). Jediny problem dela pripojeni do stareho HUBu. Ma chipset winbond a je na nem poveseno pres 280m koaxialu. Na druhe strane je PC jako bridge a karta s cipem RTL8019. Jednim smerem (HUB - RONJA - PC) data bezi 400kB/s (omezuje PC) a druhym cca 250kB/s (blbne HUB). Pokud byla na obou stranach PC, tak plna rychlost. > Cl< > > > > Petr Seliger > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 12:31:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 12:32:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Foto do galerie In-Reply-To: <1093086575.41272d6f6ed94@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <1093031590.412656a67a2c2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <20040820201457.GC2428@beton.cybernet.src> <1093086575.41272d6f6ed94@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040821113131.GA2024@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:09:35PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:53:10PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > > Zdar, > > > vec vyobrazena v priloze byla vyzkousena s cca 25m UPT kabelem a pracuje > > dobre. > > > Krabice je typ U-AH313 z GME, chladic taktez. > > > > Testoval jsi nejak jestli se tomu nesnizil dosah? Kudy bylo tech 25 metru > > kabelu vedeno, melo to sanci inkasovat i nejake ruseni zvenku pro zkousku? > > > Kabel vede castecne po pude a pak kolem silne zarusene laboratore spolecne s > dalsi kabelazi. Zbyvajicimi 4mi zilami vede 12V primo ze spinaneho zdroje HUBu > nebo pocitace. Dve se neosvedcily, maji moc velky odpor. > Je to pripojeno k RX na plosnem spoji vlastni konstrukce, TX klasicky s diodou > od Ondry Tesare (H...F4000?), bez optiky a stineni data prochazi jeste pri cca > 60-80mV RSSI. (S TWISTREM pozorovan rapidne mensi dosah nez s AUI, ale to je asi > schvalne?!) V provozu je na strane RX u HUBu RSSI 0,6V a na druhe 200mV (Je To neni schvalne - ja jsem zkousel Twister proti AUI a ma to stejny dosah. Ses schopen reprodukovat tuto vadu s Ronjou, ktera je podle navodu (tzn. ne RX vlastni konstrukce, a integralni kabel delky 1m)? Cl< > ujeta TX trubka). > Jediny problem dela pripojeni do stareho HUBu. Ma chipset winbond a je na nem > poveseno pres 280m koaxialu. Na druhe strane je PC jako bridge a karta s cipem > RTL8019. Jednim smerem (HUB - RONJA - PC) data bezi 400kB/s (omezuje PC) a > druhym cca 250kB/s (blbne HUB). Pokud byla na obou stranach PC, tak plna rychlost. > > > Cl< > > > > > > Petr Seliger > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 12:47:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 12:47:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis In-Reply-To: <41274029.60607@katka.biz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 11:29:29AM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Jen drobnost: > > co je lespi pouzit ? > > 1) > 12V 400mA - Tetrapolis 340mA + 60mA rezerva > 12V 200mA - Vytapeni 200mA - ma pojistku na 200mA > > 2) > 12V 650mA - Tetrapolis (ronja twister) 350mA, Vytapeni 200mA, rezerva > 100mA + vypinac vytapeni. > > Dalsi otazkou je jestli se takove zdroje vubec prodavaji. :) Podle me to je jedno, je to otazka ceny. > > btw. kdyzbyste nekdo vedel, kde v praze se daji levne sehnat zdroje > (aniz by se po dni zapojeni roztekly) dejte vedet. (GME, GES, PSe, Me prijde ze ty zdroje obecne suxujou - treba ten z GMe jednou odesel (jen tak sam od sebe - odpojil jsem twister, pripojil, a bylo po zdroji). Vyreklamoval jsem a tenhle taky nepusobi duveryhodne (trochu je to cejtit kdyz k tomu clovek da nos, asi se v tom hrejou nejaky smradlavy hmoty, ale to delal i monitor co jsem tu mel, uplne novej, po urcity dobe to prestalo a nikdy s nim nebyl zadnej problem. Chtelo by to nejakej free navrh spinanyho zdroje, v medeny zaletovany a zasroubovany krabici, a s poradnou ucinnosti, co nerusi. Videl jsem u Macrose hezkej zdroj doma ale zas to je plastik, tomu se neda verit, kdyz nejaka ta Vietkong soucatka uvnitr poradne shori, tak to podle me musi normalne chytnout plamenem. Co dokazou "dobre" navrzene spinane zdroje jsme overili pri provozu satelitniho prijimace zn. Thompson, kteremu byl SMPS opravovan asi 12x a nikdy nechodil. Proste odjazkziva se to prehrivalo, pokazde tam neco odeslo, tak se zjistilo co, opravilo se to, a vzdycky se to hralo a po nejaky dobe provozu to odeslo znova. V televizorech a monitorech SMPS odchazeji pravidelne (spolecne s horizontalnimi rozkladovymi obvody). Taky me pobavilo jak ve zdroji od CISCO Catalyst za nevim kolik stovek tisic byl obyc vetracek Made in China, kterej jsem vymenoval, protoze se zadrel. Komerce - nebrat. Delaji to poddimenzovane aby to za nejakou dobu provozu shorelo a clovek si musel koupit novy model. Zajimalo by me, kdy tento pristup zpusobi, ze krome zdroje jeste nekomu shori byt. Ja kdyz jsem si stavel laboratorni zdroj tak mi jeden pan poradil ze to mam postavit do plechove krabice, ze kdyz to zacne horet, nic se nestane. Tak ho tu tak mam a nikdy zadny incident jeste nenastal, nicmene je to prijemny pocit vedet, ze kdyby nahodou nastal, nic se nestane :) Taky mi neni jasny co se stane kdyz mam zapojenej nejakej spotrebic trvale v zasuvce, on se tam povoli nejakej sroubek, nebo bude smejdska prodluzka, vsechno je to z plastu ktery dela dojem horlavosti, to se to jako zapali a bude horet plamenem a odkapavat horici hmota po koberci? Cl< > karlak nepiste o nich vime snad vseci) > > Zdar a silu najdes v .... > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 12:48:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 12:49:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis In-Reply-To: <41274B77.9020400@katka.biz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <000701c486e9$67e8d2b0$02086b0a@atintel> <41274B77.9020400@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040821114822.GC2024@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 12:17:43PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > podle: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/heating/material.php se pouziva 200mA > pojistka a 200mA zdroj. Nepocital sem to. Je to vytapeny asi 1W na hlavici - kde jste prisli k takovymto cislum (doufam ze zas tam neni nejaka chyba ;-) ) Cl< > > je tam chyba ? > > p0l0us > > Milan Korda wrote: > > >Pokud jsem navod pochopil spravne, tak je kazda hlavice vytapena asi > >4.5W (4x1,125), takze na vytapeni potrebujes minimalne 375mA zdroj. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 12:50:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 12:50:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] divna fotka :-) In-Reply-To: <000701c48753$e16d79a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <001601c48705$3bd4bb00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <000d01c4874d$d2b3d950$0103450a@thechosen> <000701c48753$e16d79a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040821115005.GA2191@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:53:00AM +0200, Cipis wrote: > no nejsou, proto?e na ti???ku je jedni?ka naho?e na obou stran?ch, tak?e ta > jedna strana je ?patn?, > minim?ln? teda ten 4 pin konektor Co je spatne? Neco v mym navodu? Cl< > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Mal??ek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] divna fotka :-) > > > > podle me jsou stejne, ty jen mas misto konektoru na ledky primo ledky a > > misto konektoru pro stablik primo stablik. a ve vsech konektorech jsou > > zasazene protikusy bez kontaktu, jen tk pro efekt. > > > > Glo > > > > ------- > > > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/lvl2/ee0.jpg > > a ty za odkazem ... > > jsou tam jinak konektory, a jak tak koukam, je to i jina revize ti???ku > :-) > > > > j? to m?m takto: > > http://www.cipis.net/ronja/foto/P8210880.JPG > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 12:51:22 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 12:52:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI Message-ID: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> Ahoj. Napadla me takova vec. Nema nekdo nahodou uz postaveny nejaky U/f prevodnik(nebo tak neco)k seriovemu portu a nejaky soft pro Linux?? Nebylo by spatny, kdyby se dal zjistovat stav RSSI z pohodly z domova a ne behat na strechu s merakem ;).Mam tu schema na jeden prevodnik, ale jen do 1V a neni k tomu zadny soft pro Linux. Diky za odpovedi. ____________________________________________________________ INVIA.CZ - tis?ce Last Minute z?jezd? online. Nab?dka od prov??en?ch CK na jednom m?st?. Vyber, klikni a je?! http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76646 From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 12:58:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 12:58:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040821115810.GB2233@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:51:22PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > Ahoj. > Napadla me takova vec. Nema nekdo nahodou uz postaveny nejaky U/f > prevodnik(nebo tak neco)k seriovemu portu a nejaky soft pro Linux?? Nebylo by > spatny, kdyby se dal zjistovat stav RSSI z pohodly z domova a ne behat na > strechu s merakem ;).Mam tu schema na jeden prevodnik, ale jen do 1V a neni k > tomu zadny soft pro Linux. Jo az to bude na tistaku tak tam asi neco takovyho implementuju. Takhle do toho pridavat veci to by uz me uzivatele moc nemeli radi za tak velky vrabci hnizdo ;-) Ted jsem uz zacal delat tistak na TX. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 12:59:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 12:59:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Navod na testovani In-Reply-To: <41273790.5010703@katka.biz> References: <41263813.7060905@katka.biz> <20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> <41270B7E.9000700@sattnet.cz> <41273790.5010703@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040821115921.GC2233@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 10:52:48AM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Navod byl pridany vcera a zapomel jsem link na Slax a ronjaping > zkontrolovat. Moje chyba, spravny odkaz je: > > http://www.slax.cz > http://ronja.twibright.com/datasheets/ronjaping-20040101.tgz Fixed. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 13:01:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 13:02:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis In-Reply-To: <000701c486f1$6c9745f0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <41274B77.9020400@katka.biz> <000701c486f1$6c9745f0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040821120149.GD2233@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 01:08:13PM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: > Jestli to je teda vytapeno jen 2.4W, tak to pak ty 4 odpory musi byt 15ohm > a ne 8.2 (pri napeti 12V a zapojeni do serie) Proc? Me to vychazi dobre. 8*8.2=65.6 12/65.6=182mA 182mA*12=2.20W Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Polehla" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis > > > >podle: > > > >http://ronja.twibright.com/heating/material.php se pouziva 200mA pojistka > >a 200mA zdroj. Nepocital sem to. > > > >je tam chyba ? > > > >p0l0us > > > >Milan Korda wrote: > > > >>Pokud jsem navod pochopil spravne, tak je kazda hlavice vytapena asi 4.5W > >>(4x1,125), takze na vytapeni potrebujes minimalne 375mA zdroj. > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 13:02:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 13:03:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Foto do galerie In-Reply-To: <1093031590.412656a67a2c2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <1093031590.412656a67a2c2@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040821120223.GE2233@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:53:10PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Zdar, > vec vyobrazena v priloze byla vyzkousena s cca 25m UPT kabelem a pracuje > dobre. > Krabice je typ U-AH313 z GME, chladic taktez. Diky pridal jsem do galerky http://images.twibright.com/tns/1147.html Cl< > > Petr Seliger From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 13:09:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 13:10:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Navod na testovani In-Reply-To: <41269AC0.1040005@katka.biz> References: <41263813.7060905@katka.biz> <20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> <41269AC0.1040005@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040821120945.GF2233@beton.cybernet.src> Summary: 2 deadlinks fixed an one obsolete link updated. > jeste sem objevil mrtvej link na: > http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/building.php - vybjer konzole Diky, fixed, spolu s dalsim deadlinkem co tam byl, a taky jsem updatoval jeden zastaraly link v Metropolis building. Cl< From polous at katka.biz Sat Aug 21 16:41:22 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Aug 21 13:39:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC In-Reply-To: <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> Po konzulataci o zdrojich rootenem a jeho navrhem pouzit spinany PC zdroj se zatezi na 5V sem dosel k zaveru, ze by bylo dobre napajet primo z pocitace (vzhledem k tomu, ze twister je do 1m od PC). Ronja nezatizi zdroj natolik aby vznikly problemy. Koupit konktor k napajeni HDD a pripojit twister na stabilnich 12V napajeni. To same by slo i s vyhrejvanim. Jen je tu otazka ochrany PC proti nejakym agresim ze strany Ronji. Zkousel to nekdo ? Jake jsou argumenty proti ? Co muze Ronja v PC provest ? Prip. Jak se protim tomu branit ? (nemluvim o blesku ktery uderi do Ronji) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Druhou moznosti je pouzit spinany PC zdroj a na vytapeni pouzit 5V aby nebyla zbytecna zatez na 5V (ktera tam stejne musi byt). p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 13:47:42 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 13:48:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Navod na testovani In-Reply-To: <41269AC0.1040005@katka.biz> References: <41263813.7060905@katka.biz> <20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> <41269AC0.1040005@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040821124742.GG2233@beton.cybernet.src> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > **** To by si uz taky zaslouzilo prelozit: > > P?ed stavbou si navod nejd??ve vytiskn?te a p?i praci od?krt?vejte > odstavce, kter? m?te ji? hotov?. > > V seznamu sou??stek naraz?te na 4 tranzistory 2N3904 (nebo ekvivalenty). > Zm??te jejich zes?len? a do modul? pou?ijte dvojice tranzistor? s co > nejpodobn?j??my hodnotami. > > Postavte nasledujc? moduly: > > **** v?ta o p?imontov?n? teplotn?ch ?t?t? byla u? v n?vodu na testov?n? > (cj i aj) **** > > Na?roubujte 4xM4 (4.3mm) matky na p?ijma? a 4xM4 na vys?la? (na ka?d? > ?roub jednu). Zasu?te p?ijma? a vys?la? do podlouhl?ch d?r v zadn? ??sti > tubus? (tubus p?i tom m??ete zm??knout). Nasa?te kryty bo?n?ch posuvn?ch > d?r a za?roubujte 4xM4 (4.3mm) matkama na p?ijma? a 4xM4 na vys?la? (na > ka?d? ?roub jednu). > > U obou tubus? prot?hn?te kabl?k od vyt?p?n? ?o?ek volnou pr?chodnou v > zadn?m v??ku, p?ipojte do svorky (?okol?dy). P?ipojte do voln?ch pozic > svorkovnice kabely modul?. D?ky, p?id?no, ale p???t? to rad?i napi? prosimt? do toho .php souboru, proto?e jsem p?i tom p?eklik?v?n? m?lem ze??lel ;-) Jestli .php nem??, tak si ?ekni, j? ti to po?lu. Nebo nev?te n?kdo jak se v PHP nebo Apachi ud?l?, aby byl jinej adres??, do kter?ho by se zrcadlil celej strom Ronji, jen by se .php soubory nespou?t?ly, ale zobrazovaly tak, jak jsou? Ale aby to nebyla zas n?jak? bezpe?nostn? d?ra :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 13:49:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 13:50:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC In-Reply-To: <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:41:22PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Po konzulataci o zdrojich rootenem a jeho navrhem pouzit spinany PC > zdroj se zatezi na 5V sem dosel k zaveru, ze by bylo dobre napajet primo > z pocitace (vzhledem k tomu, ze twister je do 1m od PC). Jo jenze kdyz se na strese neco vyzkratuje tak vyskoci cerveny kohoutek, protoze ten zdroj pojede dal a klidne necha odparovat 200 watt? v jednom m?st?... Cl< > > Ronja nezatizi zdroj natolik aby vznikly problemy. Koupit konktor k > napajeni HDD a pripojit twister na stabilnich 12V napajeni. To same by > slo i s vyhrejvanim. Jen je tu otazka ochrany PC proti nejakym agresim > ze strany Ronji. > > Zkousel to nekdo ? > Jake jsou argumenty proti ? > Co muze Ronja v PC provest ? Prip. Jak se protim tomu branit ? (nemluvim > o blesku ktery uderi do Ronji) > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > Druhou moznosti je pouzit spinany PC zdroj a na vytapeni pouzit 5V aby > nebyla zbytecna zatez na 5V (ktera tam stejne musi byt). > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 20 22:50:25 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 21 13:50:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe><41274B77.9020400@katka.biz><000701c486f1$6c9745f0$02086b0a@atintel> <20040821120149.GD2233@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000d01c486ff$b352ff80$02086b0a@atintel> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 01:08:13PM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >> Jestli to je teda vytapeno jen 2.4W, tak to pak ty 4 odpory musi byt >> 15ohm >> a ne 8.2 (pri napeti 12V a zapojeni do serie) > > Proc? Me to vychazi dobre. 8*8.2=65.6 > 12/65.6=182mA > 182mA*12=2.20W > > Cl< Jo taak, ja myslel, ze v kazdy hlavici jsou 4 odpory pripojeny na 12V a ne ze jsou v serii i s tema v druhy hlavici :) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Polehla" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis >> >> >> >podle: >> > >> >http://ronja.twibright.com/heating/material.php se pouziva 200mA >> >pojistka >> >a 200mA zdroj. Nepocital sem to. >> > >> >je tam chyba ? >> > >> >p0l0us >> > >> >Milan Korda wrote: >> > >> >>Pokud jsem navod pochopil spravne, tak je kazda hlavice vytapena asi >> >>4.5W >> >>(4x1,125), takze na vytapeni potrebujes minimalne 375mA zdroj. >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Ronja mailing list >> >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 13:52:34 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 13:53:13 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20dalkove=20zjisteni=20stavu=20RSSI?= In-Reply-To: <20040821115810.GB2233@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <384401.5435605-22050-962205179-1093092754@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Damir ?poljari?" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI Datum (Date): 21. 8. 2004 13:58 ================================================== > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:51:22PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > Ahoj. > > Napadla me takova vec. Nema nekdo nahodou uz postaveny nejaky U/f > > prevodnik(nebo tak neco)k seriovemu portu a nejaky soft pro Linux?? Nebylo by > > spatny, kdyby se dal zjistovat stav RSSI z pohodly z domova a ne behat na > > strechu s merakem ;).Mam tu schema na jeden prevodnik, ale jen do 1V a neni k > > tomu zadny soft pro Linux. > > Jo az to bude na tistaku tak tam asi neco takovyho implementuju. Takhle > do toho pridavat veci to by uz me uzivatele moc nemeli radi za tak velky > vrabci hnizdo ;-) > > Ted jsem uz zacal delat tistak na TX. > > Cl< No ja bych myslel neco jako takovy doplnek pro nekoho, kdo kvuli tomu nechce cely prijimac predelavat ;) nevis tedy o necem?? Diky. ____________________________________________________________ D??v zni??? s?m sebe! SIEMENS M65 ji? od 4577 K?. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76259 From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 13:54:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 13:54:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] divna fotka :-) In-Reply-To: <41273A3D.2010701@katka.biz> References: <001601c48705$3bd4bb00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <41273A3D.2010701@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040821125410.GC2617@beton.cybernet.src> > osobne mam na tw. konektory uplne stejne, akorat muze byt zavadejci ze > na clockove obrazku je jedna led proklemovana cernym switchem (nemam na > mysli prepinace). To sice muze byt zavadejci, ale kdyz sem to stavel, Na kterym obrazku to je? Cl< > tak mi na tom nic moc divnyho neprislo, pac sem mel tistak, schema a > predstavu jak to ma fungovat. Jestli odeberu predstavu, tak podle navodu > je to taky funkcni. Jediny co me trochu zmatlo z nepozornosti byl D59 > pac je obracene polarizace oproti ostatnim. > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From korda.m at seznam.cz Fri Aug 20 23:03:26 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 21 14:03:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stavu RSSI References: <384401.5435605-22050-962205179-1093092754@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000701c48701$8518d250$02086b0a@atintel> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damir ?poljari?" To: Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stavu RSSI ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Damir ?poljari?" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI Datum (Date): 21. 8. 2004 13:58 ================================================== > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:51:22PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > Ahoj. > > Napadla me takova vec. Nema nekdo nahodou uz postaveny nejaky U/f > > prevodnik(nebo tak neco)k seriovemu portu a nejaky soft pro Linux?? > > Nebylo by > > spatny, kdyby se dal zjistovat stav RSSI z pohodly z domova a ne behat > > na > > strechu s merakem ;).Mam tu schema na jeden prevodnik, ale jen do 1V a > > neni k > > tomu zadny soft pro Linux. > > Jo az to bude na tistaku tak tam asi neco takovyho implementuju. Takhle > do toho pridavat veci to by uz me uzivatele moc nemeli radi za tak velky > vrabci hnizdo ;-) > > Ted jsem uz zacal delat tistak na TX. > > Cl< No ja bych myslel neco jako takovy doplnek pro nekoho, kdo kvuli tomu nechce cely prijimac predelavat ;) nevis tedy o necem?? Diky. Jaka je vubec max delka RSSI kabelu? Ja ze bych si ho natahl k PC :) From polous at katka.biz Sat Aug 21 17:29:08 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Aug 21 14:27:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC In-Reply-To: <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41277854.60209@katka.biz> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:41:22PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > >>Po konzulataci o zdrojich rootenem a jeho navrhem pouzit spinany PC >>zdroj se zatezi na 5V sem dosel k zaveru, ze by bylo dobre napajet primo >>z pocitace (vzhledem k tomu, ze twister je do 1m od PC). >> >> > >Jo jenze kdyz se na strese neco vyzkratuje tak vyskoci cerveny kohoutek, >protoze ten zdroj pojede dal a klidne necha odparovat 200 watt? v jednom >m?st?... > >Cl< > > Naprosta vetsina proudu by pak tekla do ronji a router by zhasnul. Myslim, ze kdyz by doslo ke zkratu, tak by odesel ten zdroj nebo aspon pojistka v nom. Osetrila by to dostatecne pojistka mezi PC a Ronjou s prislusnou hodnotou (200mA vyhrev, 350-400mA Twister pri 12V) ? p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 14:42:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 14:43:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC In-Reply-To: <41277854.60209@katka.biz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> <41277854.60209@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040821134233.GB2972@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 03:29:08PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > >On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:41:22PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > > > > >>Po konzulataci o zdrojich rootenem a jeho navrhem pouzit spinany PC > >>zdroj se zatezi na 5V sem dosel k zaveru, ze by bylo dobre napajet primo > >>z pocitace (vzhledem k tomu, ze twister je do 1m od PC). > >> > >> > > > >Jo jenze kdyz se na strese neco vyzkratuje tak vyskoci cerveny kohoutek, > >protoze ten zdroj pojede dal a klidne necha odparovat 200 watt? v jednom > >m?st?... > > > >Cl< > > > > > Naprosta vetsina proudu by pak tekla do ronji a router by zhasnul. > Myslim, ze kdyz by doslo ke zkratu, tak by odesel ten zdroj nebo aspon > pojistka v nom. > > Osetrila by to dostatecne pojistka mezi PC a Ronjou s prislusnou > hodnotou (200mA vyhrev, 350-400mA Twister pri 12V) ? Na ni bude ubytek napeti a bude to cely pak prichcipavat. Ja jsem to jednou zkousel a bylo na ni myslim nejmin 1V ubytek. Cl< From polous at katka.biz Sat Aug 21 17:59:04 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Aug 21 14:57:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC In-Reply-To: <20040821134233.GB2972@beton.cybernet.src> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> <41277854.60209@katka.biz> <20040821134233.GB2972@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41277F58.6060701@katka.biz> >>>Jo jenze kdyz se na strese neco vyzkratuje tak vyskoci cerveny kohoutek, >>>protoze ten zdroj pojede dal a klidne necha odparovat 200 watt? v jednom >>>m?st?... >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Naprosta vetsina proudu by pak tekla do ronji a router by zhasnul. >>Myslim, ze kdyz by doslo ke zkratu, tak by odesel ten zdroj nebo aspon >>pojistka v nom. >> >>Osetrila by to dostatecne pojistka mezi PC a Ronjou s prislusnou >>hodnotou (200mA vyhrev, 350-400mA Twister pri 12V) ? >> >> >Na ni bude ubytek napeti a bude to cely pak prichcipavat. Ja jsem to jednou >zkousel a bylo na ni myslim nejmin 1V ubytek. > >Cl< > > hmm.. takze spatne. :( A jina moznost ochrany neexistuje ? Jsi si jisty, ze kdyz dojde ke zkratu nebo zesileni proudu nad 25A/12V (nebo kolik bude davat), tak to ten zdroj vubec prezije ? (Dyt ma take svoji pojistku. Rek bych, ze v PC musi byt zdroj citlivejsi nez ostatni bezne zdroje.) p0l0us From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Aug 21 15:09:52 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 15:10:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC In-Reply-To: <41277F58.6060701@katka.biz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> <41277854.60209@katka.biz> <20040821134233.GB2972@beton.cybernet.src> <41277F58.6060701@katka.biz> Message-ID: <412757B0.40809@sattnet.cz> Neni to zas tak strasne. Zadny zdroj spesl pro Ronju nemam. Obe strany budou taky napajene z PC. Doma testuju jenom s PC, protoze kvalitnejsi zdroj nemam. Zkratoval jsem (omylem :-D) uz nespocetnekrat a zdroj to pokazde prezil (vyzkouseno s 3 ruznymi ;-) ). Skratu na strese bych se teda vubec nebal, ledaze by to pozirali nejaci potkani, nebo mysi. Takze tak. Martin Polehla napsal(a): > >>>> Jo jenze kdyz se na strese neco vyzkratuje tak vyskoci cerveny >>>> kohoutek, >>>> protoze ten zdroj pojede dal a klidne necha odparovat 200 watt? v >>>> jednom >>>> m?st?... >>>> >>>> Cl< >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Naprosta vetsina proudu by pak tekla do ronji a router by zhasnul. >>> Myslim, ze kdyz by doslo ke zkratu, tak by odesel ten zdroj nebo >>> aspon pojistka v nom. >>> >>> Osetrila by to dostatecne pojistka mezi PC a Ronjou s prislusnou >>> hodnotou (200mA vyhrev, 350-400mA Twister pri 12V) ? >>> >> >> Na ni bude ubytek napeti a bude to cely pak prichcipavat. Ja jsem to >> jednou >> zkousel a bylo na ni myslim nejmin 1V ubytek. >> >> Cl< >> >> > hmm.. takze spatne. :( > > A jina moznost ochrany neexistuje ? > > Jsi si jisty, ze kdyz dojde ke zkratu nebo zesileni proudu nad 25A/12V > (nebo kolik bude davat), tak to ten zdroj vubec prezije ? > (Dyt ma take svoji pojistku. Rek bych, ze v PC musi byt zdroj > citlivejsi nez ostatni bezne zdroje.) > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From remet at remet.cz Sat Aug 21 15:27:06 2004 From: remet at remet.cz (REMET) Date: Sat Aug 21 15:28:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> <41277854.60209@katka.biz> <20040821134233.GB2972@beton.cybernet.src><41277F58.6060701@katka.biz> <412757B0.40809@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <004601c4878a$efceca80$01fda8c0@anezka> Mno ja jsem si zdroj proste postavil, dyt na nem nic neni... konektor ala PC, pojistka, vypinac, trafo, diodovy mustek, kondiky, 78T12,kondiky, konektor plus odpor a ledka :-)... REMET From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 15:41:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 15:42:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC In-Reply-To: <004601c4878a$efceca80$01fda8c0@anezka> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> <41277854.60209@katka.biz> <412757B0.40809@sattnet.cz> <004601c4878a$efceca80$01fda8c0@anezka> Message-ID: <20040821144150.GC3047@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:27:06PM +0200, REMET wrote: > Mno ja jsem si zdroj proste postavil, dyt na nem nic neni... > > konektor ala PC, pojistka, vypinac, trafo, diodovy mustek, kondiky, > 78T12,kondiky, konektor plus odpor a ledka :-)... > Jo to de - akorat ze to je tezky a asi celkem drahy. Co jsi pouzil za trafo a kde jsi ho koupil - nejaky zality, a nebo toroid, a nebo jeste jiny? Cl< > REMET > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 15:43:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 15:44:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC In-Reply-To: <41277F58.6060701@katka.biz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> <41277854.60209@katka.biz> <20040821134233.GB2972@beton.cybernet.src> <41277F58.6060701@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040821144347.GD3047@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > > hmm.. takze spatne. :( > > A jina moznost ochrany neexistuje ? > > Jsi si jisty, ze kdyz dojde ke zkratu nebo zesileni proudu nad 25A/12V > (nebo kolik bude davat), tak to ten zdroj vubec prezije ? > (Dyt ma take svoji pojistku. Rek bych, ze v PC musi byt zdroj citlivejsi > nez ostatni bezne zdroje.) No on se pak vypne - aspon kdyz ja jsem slusnul PC zdroj tak v nem jen tise cvaklo a byl vyplej. Ale kdyz to bude pres dlouhy draty tak myslim ze to muze klidne utahnout - jeden kamarad popisoval jak takhle bastlil neco do PC a najednou zacal cejtit kour a zjistil ze doslo ke zkratu a pocitac jel dal, jen se z prodreneho dratu zacal valit kour ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 15:45:28 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 15:46:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zdroj... Message-ID: <20040821144528.GA3326@beton.cybernet.src> A jeste jedna vec - kdyz nekdo navrhne poradny zdroj, tak doufam, ze bude navrh parametricky a ze bude mozne si navolit napeti 40V a proud 200A regulovatelny a nebudu muset kupovat svarecku ;-) Cl< From remet at remet.cz Sat Aug 21 16:00:55 2004 From: remet at remet.cz (REMET) Date: Sat Aug 21 16:02:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe><002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen><200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz><20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src><41276D22.5000107@katka.biz><20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src><41277854.60209@katka.biz> <412757B0.40809@sattnet.cz><004601c4878a$efceca80$01fda8c0@anezka> <20040821144150.GC3047@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004e01c4878f$a8db1660$01fda8c0@anezka> 12W trafo zality v GESu, meli vyprodej za 55Kc, jinak stoji asi 200Kc zase mam jistotu ze vim co v tom je a jeho vystup je cistej... na rozdil od vietnamskych vyrobku, ze kterych bych mel jeste vetsi strach nez z pozaru PC zdroje... REMET ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:27:06PM +0200, REMET wrote: > > Mno ja jsem si zdroj proste postavil, dyt na nem nic neni... > > > > konektor ala PC, pojistka, vypinac, trafo, diodovy mustek, kondiky, > > 78T12,kondiky, konektor plus odpor a ledka :-)... > > > > Jo to de - akorat ze to je tezky a asi celkem drahy. > > Co jsi pouzil za trafo a kde jsi ho koupil - nejaky zality, a nebo toroid, > a nebo jeste jiny? > > Cl< > > > REMET > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 01:21:47 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 21 16:22:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka RSSI kabelu Message-ID: <000c01c48714$d92fa310$02086b0a@atintel> Uz jsem se na to ptal, ale nedostalo se mi odpovedi :( Jaka je max delka tohoto kabelu? ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040820/379d04d4/attachment.htm From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Sat Aug 21 17:26:03 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Sat Aug 21 17:26:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrapolis - napajeni primo z PC In-Reply-To: <41277F58.6060701@katka.biz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> <41277854.60209@katka.biz> <20040821134233.GB2972@beton.cybernet.src> <41277F58.6060701@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040821162515.M56245@kihu.info> > Jsi si jisty, ze kdyz dojde ke zkratu nebo zesileni proudu nad > 25A/12V > (nebo kolik bude davat), tak to ten zdroj vubec prezije ? > (Dyt ma take svoji pojistku. Rek bych, ze v PC musi byt zdroj > citlivejsi nez ostatni bezne zdroje.) > > p0l0us naprosta vetsina zdroju se pri zkratu automaticky odpoji od site... vyzkouseno ROOTen From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Aug 21 17:28:27 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Aug 21 17:31:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/rssi/rssi.html Uz davno...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damir ?poljari?" To: Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI > Ahoj. > Napadla me takova vec. Nema nekdo nahodou uz postaveny nejaky U/f prevodnik(nebo tak neco)k seriovemu portu a nejaky soft pro Linux?? Nebylo by spatny, kdyby se dal zjistovat stav RSSI z pohodly z domova a ne behat na strechu s merakem ;).Mam tu schema na jeden prevodnik, ale jen do 1V a neni k tomu zadny soft pro Linux. > Diky za odpovedi. > > ____________________________________________________________ > INVIA.CZ - tis?ce Last Minute z?jezd? online. > Nab?dka od prov??en?ch CK na jednom m?st?. Vyber, klikni a je?! > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76646 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 17:53:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 17:54:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040821165340.GE14965@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:28:27PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/rssi/rssi.html Offtopic. Crusader neni svobodny navrh. To je asi tak jako by Bill Gates postnul do linux kernel mailing listu ze jeho sqeli proprietarni system ma tuhle featuru na ktery se zrovna linuxovi vyvojari domlouvaj, jak ji napisou. A kdyz uz jsme u tech nesvobodnych navrhu, dela typu fSONA a pod. maj totez citelne pres SNMP, a taky teplotu laseru, stridavy pracovni proud laseru, stejnosmerny pracovni proud laseru (ktery jsou 4), lasery chlazeny Peltierama a kdovi co jeste. To ze nejaky komercni navrh neco ma tudiz vubec nic neznamena. Cl< > > Uz davno...... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Damir ?poljari?" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:51 PM > Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI > > > > Ahoj. > > Napadla me takova vec. Nema nekdo nahodou uz postaveny nejaky U/f > prevodnik(nebo tak neco)k seriovemu portu a nejaky soft pro Linux?? Nebylo > by spatny, kdyby se dal zjistovat stav RSSI z pohodly z domova a ne behat na > strechu s merakem ;).Mam tu schema na jeden prevodnik, ale jen do 1V a neni > k tomu zadny soft pro Linux. > > Diky za odpovedi. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > INVIA.CZ - tis?ce Last Minute z?jezd? online. > > Nab?dka od prov??en?ch CK na jednom m?st?. Vyber, klikni a je?! > > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76646 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jan.martinu at post.cz Sat Aug 21 17:57:54 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jan_Martin=F9?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 17:58:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <41277F12.7040803@post.cz> Co to ma spolecneho s Ronjou? Damir se ptal na prevodnik U/f a soft pro Linux, ne jak vypadaji grafi z jakehosi komercniho zarizeni. Nic ve zlym. -=RYS=- napsal(a): >http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/rssi/rssi.html > >Uz davno...... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Damir ?poljari?" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:51 PM >Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI > > > > >>Ahoj. >>Napadla me takova vec. Nema nekdo nahodou uz postaveny nejaky U/f >> >> >prevodnik(nebo tak neco)k seriovemu portu a nejaky soft pro Linux?? Nebylo >by spatny, kdyby se dal zjistovat stav RSSI z pohodly z domova a ne behat na >strechu s merakem ;).Mam tu schema na jeden prevodnik, ale jen do 1V a neni >k tomu zadny soft pro Linux. > > >>Diky za odpovedi. >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>INVIA.CZ - tis?ce Last Minute z?jezd? online. >>Nab?dka od prov??en?ch CK na jednom m?st?. Vyber, klikni a je?! >>http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76646 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 18:09:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 18:10:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <41277F12.7040803@post.cz> References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> <41277F12.7040803@post.cz> Message-ID: <20040821170940.GB21498@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:57:54PM +0200, Jan Martin? wrote: > Co to ma spolecneho s Ronjou? Damir se ptal na prevodnik U/f a soft pro > Linux, > ne jak vypadaji grafi z jakehosi komercniho zarizeni. Nic ve zlym. No -=RyS=-i (jak se to sklonuje? vzory koncici na =- jsme se neucili - budte radi ze jsem nespadnul na segfault ;-) ) kdybys misto sveho souviseni s Crusaderem vzal PCB http://pcb.sourceforge.net/ a cmaral v nem neco co je potreba na Ronju udelat (nebo vzal qcad http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html ) a udelal vrtaci sablonky stary mechaniky, bylo by to pro Ronju prinosnejsi. Rikat, co vsechno Ronja nema a komercni projekty maji (neco jineho by bylo rict hele videl jsem u komercniho projektu tuhle cool featuru, navrhuju ji pridat do Ronji, ale o tento pripad se zde nejedna, nebot to uz navrhl tusim Damir), jakkoliv to je procvicovani nezadatelneho prava na svobodny projev, pro Ronju zadny vyznam nema. Cl< > > -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > >http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/rssi/rssi.html > > > >Uz davno...... > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Damir ?poljari?" > > To: Sent: Saturday, > >August 21, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI > > > > > > > > > >>Ahoj. Napadla me takova vec. Nema nekdo nahodou uz postaveny nejaky U/f > >> > >> > >prevodnik(nebo tak neco)k seriovemu portu a nejaky soft pro Linux?? Nebylo > >by spatny, kdyby se dal zjistovat stav RSSI z pohodly z domova a ne behat na > >strechu s merakem ;).Mam tu schema na jeden prevodnik, ale jen do 1V a neni > >k tomu zadny soft pro Linux. > > > > > >>Diky za odpovedi. > >> > >>____________________________________________________________ INVIA.CZ - > >>tis?ce Last Minute z?jezd? online. Nab?dka od prov??en?ch CK na jednom > >>m?st?. Vyber, klikni a je?! http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76646 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 18:29:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 18:29:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka RSSI kabelu In-Reply-To: <000c01c48714$d92fa310$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000c01c48714$d92fa310$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040821172901.GA21561@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 05:21:47PM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: > Uz jsem se na to ptal, ale nedostalo se mi odpovedi :( Jaka je max delka > tohoto kabelu? Delka je jen jedna - predepsana v navodu. Kdyz to udelate delsi, mozna to bude chodit, ale taky se na to mozna bude indukovat nejake ruseni, coz muze zpusobit jednak uchylne merene hodnoty, a nebo mozna i hure, ze bude tak silne to ruseni, ze bude prolezat i do signalu a snizovat dosah zarizeni. Kdyz to natahnete koaxialem, zadne ruseni se do toho chytat nebude, jestli to chcete udelat jako svod. Ale uznavam, ze tohle by se melo predelat, je to urcene na zamereni, ale zda se, ze lidi si z toho chtej delat spis trvale sledovani sily prijimaneho signalu, na coz ovsem ani zdaleka nestaci ten merici obvod co tam momentalne je, protoze ten meri naproste bogusy (je to sice monotonni, ale to je asi tak vsechno). Zeslozitovat to nema cenu, dokavad to nebude na tistacich. Ted zrovna jsem zacal delat ten TX (z toho duvodu, ze je jednodussi, a tak si myslim, ze bude driv hotov). Cl< > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sat Aug 21 21:35:47 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Aug 21 18:33:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <4127B223.1040008@katka.biz> Napade me, jen jedna jedina moznost - autor zadosti mel na mysli neco POUZITELNETHO, co by umoznilo kontrolovat ronji RSSI z pohodli sveho PC. 2 Rys: Zadny dite asi nema radost z lizatka za vylohou, ktery je ultra velky a barevny.... v tvym pripade taky bakelitovy, neprodejny. Proste bud to chces zverejnit a nebo ne ! Nejni to tak slozity. Jestli to nechces zverejnit, tak je to tva volba a nikomu to asi nevadi, ale pak je tva odpoved celkem mimo nemyslis ?? Nic ve zlym, du na pivo p0l0us -=RYS=- wrote: >http://www.qsl.net/ok1mjo/rssi/rssi.html > >Uz davno...... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Damir ?poljari?" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:51 PM >Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI > > > > >>Ahoj. >>Napadla me takova vec. Nema nekdo nahodou uz postaveny nejaky U/f >> >> >prevodnik(nebo tak neco)k seriovemu portu a nejaky soft pro Linux?? Nebylo >by spatny, kdyby se dal zjistovat stav RSSI z pohodly z domova a ne behat na >strechu s merakem ;).Mam tu schema na jeden prevodnik, ale jen do 1V a neni >k tomu zadny soft pro Linux. > > >>Diky za odpovedi. >> >> >> From honza at hoidekr.net Sat Aug 21 19:01:07 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Honza Hoidekr) Date: Sat Aug 21 19:02:40 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Napajeci=A0zdroj?=(e) tetrap= ?iso-8859-2?Q?Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e)=A0tetrapolis=A0-= A0napajeni?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=A0primo=A0z=A0PC?= In-Reply-To: <20040821162515.M56245@kihu.info> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz><41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> <41277854.60209@katka.biz><20040821134233.GB2972@beton.cybernet.src><41277F58.6060701@katka.biz> <20040821162515.M56245@kihu.info> Message-ID: <2791.62.141.25.1.1093111267.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> >> Jsi si jisty, ze kdyz dojde ke zkratu nebo zesileni proudu nad >> 25A/12V >> (nebo kolik bude davat), tak to ten zdroj vubec prezije ? >> (Dyt ma take svoji pojistku. Rek bych, ze v PC musi byt zdroj >> citlivejsi nez ostatni bezne zdroje.) >> >> p0l0us > naprosta vetsina zdroju se pri zkratu automaticky odpoji od site... > vyzkouseno > > ROOTen Jak uz tady psal Clock: Zdroj se v jistym pripade vypnout pri zkratu nemusi. Take jsem si myslel, ze zdoj z pocitace je nejlepsi reseni, ale jednou se mi stalo pri nahodnym(neopatrnost) zkratu, ze shorela plamenem! izolace z dratu a zdor se nevypnul! Pri jinych X chybach-pokusech se vzdy vypnul. Zalezi, co na nem prave visi. Pocitacovy zdroje pouzivam dal a doporucuju je, ale je treba o tomhle vedet. Honza Hoidekr > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From honza at hoidekr.net Sat Aug 21 19:09:23 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Honza Hoidekr) Date: Sat Aug 21 19:10:55 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Napajeci=A0zdroj?=(e) tetrap= ?iso-8859-2?Q?Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e)=A0tetrapolis=A0-= A0napajeni?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=A0primo=A0z=A0PC?= Message-ID: <13229.62.141.25.1.1093111763.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Jak uz tady psal Clock: zdroj se opravdu nemusi pri zkratu vypnout. Vypinani pocitacovych zdroju pri zkratu jsmtake bral jako samozrejmost nez mi jednou pri nahodnym zkratu shorela plamenem izolace na dratech a zdroj vesel bezel. Zdroje z pocitacu pouzivam dal a doporucuju je, ale vsechno ma sve meze. Honza Hoidekr >> Jsi si jisty, ze kdyz dojde ke zkratu nebo zesileni proudu nad >> 25A/12V >> (nebo kolik bude davat), tak to ten zdroj vubec prezije ? >> (Dyt ma take svoji pojistku. Rek bych, ze v PC musi byt zdroj >> citlivejsi nez ostatni bezne zdroje.) >> >> p0l0us > naprosta vetsina zdroju se pri zkratu automaticky odpoji od site... > vyzkouseno > > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From honza at hoidekr.net Sat Aug 21 19:09:22 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Honza Hoidekr) Date: Sat Aug 21 19:10:57 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Napajeci=A0zdroj?=(e) tetrap= ?iso-8859-2?Q?Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e)=A0tetrapolis=A0-= A0napajeni?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=A0primo=A0z=A0PC?= In-Reply-To: <20040821162515.M56245@kihu.info> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz><41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> <41277854.60209@katka.biz><20040821134233.GB2972@beton.cybernet.src><41277F58.6060701@katka.biz> <20040821162515.M56245@kihu.info> Message-ID: <17131.62.141.25.1.1093111762.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Jak uz tady psal Clock: zdroj se opravdu nemusi pri zkratu vypnout. Vypinani pocitacovych zdroju pri zkratu jsem take bral jako samozrejmost nez mi jednou pri nahodnym zkratu shorela plamenem izolace na dratech a zdroj vesel bezel. Zdroje z pocitacu pouzivam dal a doporucuju je, ale vsechno ma sve meze. Honza Hoidekr >> Jsi si jisty, ze kdyz dojde ke zkratu nebo zesileni proudu nad >> 25A/12V >> (nebo kolik bude davat), tak to ten zdroj vubec prezije ? >> (Dyt ma take svoji pojistku. Rek bych, ze v PC musi byt zdroj >> citlivejsi nez ostatni bezne zdroje.) >> >> p0l0us > naprosta vetsina zdroju se pri zkratu automaticky odpoji od site... > vyzkouseno > > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From honza at hoidekr.net Sat Aug 21 19:09:38 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Honza Hoidekr) Date: Sat Aug 21 19:11:01 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:=A0[Ronja]=A0Napajeci=A0zdroj?=(e) tetrap= ?iso-8859-2?Q?Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e)=A0tetrapolis=A0-= A0napajeni?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=A0primo=A0z=A0PC?= Message-ID: <8473.62.141.25.1.1093111778.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Jak uz tady psal Clock: zdroj se opravdu nemusi pri zkratu vypnout. Vypinani pocitacovych zdroju pri zkratu jsem take bral jako samozrejmost nez mi jednou pri nahodnym zkratu shorela plamenem izolace na dratech a zdroj vesel bezel. Zdroje z pocitacu pouzivam dal a doporucuju je, ale vsechno ma sve meze. Honza Hoidekr >> Jsi si jisty, ze kdyz dojde ke zkratu nebo zesileni proudu nad >> 25A/12V >> (nebo kolik bude davat), tak to ten zdroj vubec prezije ? >> (Dyt ma take svoji pojistku. Rek bych, ze v PC musi byt zdroj >> citlivejsi nez ostatni bezne zdroje.) >> >> p0l0us > naprosta vetsina zdroju se pri zkratu automaticky odpoji od site... > vyzkouseno > > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 19:18:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 19:19:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <4127B223.1040008@katka.biz> References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> <4127B223.1040008@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040821181827.GB21654@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 07:35:47PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Napade me, jen jedna jedina moznost - autor zadosti mel na mysli neco > POUZITELNETHO, co by umoznilo kontrolovat ronji RSSI z pohodli sveho PC. > > 2 Rys: Zadny dite asi nema radost z lizatka za vylohou, ktery je ultra > velky a barevny.... v tvym pripade taky bakelitovy, neprodejny. Proste > bud to chces zverejnit a nebo ne ! Nejni to tak slozity. Jestli to Slozity to fakt neni - staci uploadnout zdrojaky predmetneho proprietarniho reseni na web ;-) > nechces zverejnit, tak je to tva volba a nikomu to asi nevadi, ale pak > je tva odpoved celkem mimo nemyslis ?? > > Nic ve zlym, du na pivo > p0l0us > > From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Sat Aug 21 19:23:34 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Sat Aug 21 19:24:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrap= ?iso-8859-2?Q?Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e)=A0tetrapolis=A0-= A0napajeni?= primo z PC In-Reply-To: <17131.62.141.25.1.1093111762.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> References: <007801c47f35$33376880$0581000a@steebe> <002101c47f6f$8c285f50$0103450a@thechosen> <200408110902.46125.zapadlo@melzer.cz><41274029.60607@katka.biz> <20040821114718.GB2024@beton.cybernet.src> <41276D22.5000107@katka.biz> <20040821124937.GA2617@beton.cybernet.src> <41277854.60209@katka.biz><20040821134233.GB2972@beton.cybernet.src><41277F58.6060701@katka.biz> <20040821162515.M56245@kihu.info> <17131.62.141.25.1.1093111762.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Message-ID: <20040821182257.M73049@kihu.info> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:09:22 +0200 (CEST), Honza Hoidekr wrote > Jak uz tady psal Clock: zdroj se opravdu nemusi pri zkratu vypnout. > Vypinani pocitacovych zdroju pri zkratu jsem take bral jako samozrejmost > nez mi jednou pri nahodnym zkratu shorela plamenem izolace na > dratech a zdroj vesel bezel. Zdroje z pocitacu pouzivam dal a > doporucuju je, ale vsechno ma sve meze. > > Honza Hoidekr Musi se vyzkouset odpor pri kterem se to vypne a vyradit nevhodne typy... ROOTen From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 19:56:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 19:56:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] SKontorpovy tistaky TX Message-ID: <20040821185609.GA26658@beton.cybernet.src> Nemate nekdo prosimvas ty Skontorpovy tistaky TX vyfoceny? Zajimalo by me, jak je to reseny. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 19:56:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 19:57:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Skontorp's TX Message-ID: <20040821185638.GB26658@beton.cybernet.src> DOn't you please someone have a photo of populated Skontorp's TX? I am curious how they are designed. Cl< From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 20:24:02 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 20:24:44 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20SKontorpovy=20tistaky=20TX?= In-Reply-To: <20040821185609.GA26658@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <375690.5262891-19843-1318754957-1093116242@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] SKontorpovy tistaky TX Datum (Date): 21. 8. 2004 20:56 ================================================== > Nemate nekdo prosimvas ty Skontorpovy tistaky TX vyfoceny? Zajimalo by me, jak > je to reseny. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja mas na mysli SMD? ____________________________________________________________ P??jemn? design. P??jemn?j?? cena. SONY ERICSSON T105 ji? od 577 K? http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76256 From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 21 21:23:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 21:24:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] SKontorpovy tistaky TX In-Reply-To: <375690.5262891-19843-1318754957-1093116242@email.seznam.cz> References: <20040821185609.GA26658@beton.cybernet.src> <375690.5262891-19843-1318754957-1093116242@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040821202326.GB26794@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:24:02PM +0200, Damir ?poljari? wrote: > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] SKontorpovy tistaky TX > Datum (Date): 21. 8. 2004 20:56 > ================================================== > > > Nemate nekdo prosimvas ty Skontorpovy tistaky TX vyfoceny? Zajimalo by me, jak > > je to reseny. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > mas na mysli SMD? Ne, ty obyc. Cl< From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat Aug 21 21:57:42 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sat Aug 21 21:58:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040821205742.GA5945@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:51:22PM +0200, Damir poljari wrote: > Ahoj. > Napadla me takova vec. Nema nekdo nahodou uz postaveny nejaky U/f > prevodnik(nebo tak neco)k seriovemu portu a nejaky soft pro Linux?? > Nebylo by spatny, kdyby se dal zjistovat stav RSSI z pohodly z domova > a ne behat na strechu s merakem ;).Mam tu schema na jeden prevodnik, > ale jen do 1V a neni k tomu zadny soft pro Linux. > Diky za odpovedi. Take jsem nad necim takovym uvazoval a napadlo me, ze by mohlo byt dobre pouzit neco jako LM85 - proste ty ICs, co se pouzivaji na mainboardech na monitorovani napeti, teploty a otacek a pripojuji se na I2C sbernici a Maji drivery pro Linux. Treba to LM85 ma 5 napetovych vstupu (takze se da merit 5 ronj jednim ICckem) a navic treba 3 teplotni, takze muzes pri tom merit i teplotu v hlavici a venku :-). Akorat se to v Cesku docela spatne shani, nedavno jsem se snazil sehnal LM75, ale nenasel. Viz napr: http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/cvs/lm_sensors2/doc/chips/lm85 -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Aug 21 22:04:13 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Aug 21 22:04:36 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BSpam=5DRe:=A0=5BRonja=5D=A0Napajeci=A0zdr?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?oj=28e=29=A0tetrap=3D_____=3Fiso-8859-2=3FQ=3FRe:=A0=5BRon?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?ja=5D=A0Napajeci=A0zdroj=28e=29=3DA0tetrapolis=3DA0-=3D___?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?__A0napajeni=3F=3D_=A0primo=A0z=A0PC?= References: <8473.62.141.25.1.1093111778.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Message-ID: <004101c487c2$71058990$fd02a8c0@diablo> A znate zdroje MOREX??? Ty vesele horely po stovkach ;-) Z PC se stala takova mala dymovnice.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honza Hoidekr" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:09 PM Subject: [Spam]Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrap= ?iso-8859-2?Q?Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e)=A0tetrapolis=A0-= A0napajeni?= primo z PC > Jak uz tady psal Clock: zdroj se opravdu nemusi pri zkratu vypnout. > Vypinani pocitacovych zdroju pri zkratu jsem take bral jako samozrejmost > nez mi jednou pri nahodnym zkratu shorela plamenem izolace na dratech a > zdroj vesel bezel. > Zdroje z pocitacu pouzivam dal a doporucuju je, ale vsechno ma sve meze. > > Honza Hoidekr > > > >> Jsi si jisty, ze kdyz dojde ke zkratu nebo zesileni proudu nad > >> 25A/12V > >> (nebo kolik bude davat), tak to ten zdroj vubec prezije ? > >> (Dyt ma take svoji pojistku. Rek bych, ze v PC musi byt zdroj > >> citlivejsi nez ostatni bezne zdroje.) > >> > >> p0l0us > > naprosta vetsina zdroju se pri zkratu automaticky odpoji od site... > > vyzkouseno > > > > ROOTen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.848 (20040820) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From klapek at kki.net.pl Sat Aug 21 22:49:54 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sat Aug 21 22:46:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Skontorp's TX In-Reply-To: <20040821185638.GB26658@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040821185638.GB26658@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200408212349.54522.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Saturday 21 of August 2004 20:56, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > DOn't you please someone have a photo of populated Skontorp's TX? I am > curious how they are designed. Now I do. :) There are two versions of the pcb: an smd and a throuhole, I have only the latter. I have checked them today, they work fine. http://koprowski.org/ronja/pics/tx_pcb1.jpg http://koprowski.org/ronja/pics/tx_pcb2.jpg Regards, Tomek Koprowski From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Aug 21 23:02:12 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Aug 21 23:02:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] divna fotka :-) References: <001601c48705$3bd4bb00$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><000d01c4874d$d2b3d950$0103450a@thechosen><000701c48753$e16d79a0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040821115005.GA2191@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004301c487ca$83544ca0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> v n?vod? ne, na t? fotce jsou dva ?ty?pinov? konektory (con53 a con52) oba dva maj? na ti???ku jedni?ku naho?e, ale na footce je ten jeden plastovej dome?ek opa?n? prost? ten z??ez je tam orientovan? blb?, tud?? jedni?ka na ti???ku nem??e b?t jedni?ka na konektoru Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] divna fotka :-) > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:53:00AM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > no nejsou, proto?e na ti???ku je jedni?ka naho?e na obou stran?ch, tak?e ta > > jedna strana je ?patn?, > > minim?ln? teda ten 4 pin konektor > > Co je spatne? Neco v mym navodu? > > Cl< > > > > Cipis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michal Mal??ek" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] divna fotka :-) > > > > > > > podle me jsou stejne, ty jen mas misto konektoru na ledky primo ledky a > > > misto konektoru pro stablik primo stablik. a ve vsech konektorech jsou > > > zasazene protikusy bez kontaktu, jen tk pro efekt. > > > > > > Glo > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/lvl2/ee0.jpg > > > a ty za odkazem ... > > > jsou tam jinak konektory, a jak tak koukam, je to i jina revize ti???ku > > :-) > > > > > > j? to m?m takto: > > > http://www.cipis.net/ronja/foto/P8210880.JPG > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Aug 21 23:08:00 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 23:08:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040821205742.GA5945@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040821205742.GA5945@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4127C7C0.2010301@sattnet.cz> Muzu mit par kusu od znamyho v Nemecku. Ale pry to bude asi za 120,- Kc. Vim, ze je to predrazene, ale mel bys zajem? Do 1-2 tydnu. Ondrej Zajicek napsal(a): >On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:51:22PM +0200, Damir poljari wrote: > > > Take jsem nad necim takovym uvazoval a napadlo me, ze by mohlo byt dobre > >pouzit neco jako LM85 - proste ty ICs, co se pouzivaji na mainboardech >na monitorovani napeti, teploty a otacek a pripojuji se na I2C sbernici a >Maji drivery pro Linux. > >Treba to LM85 ma 5 napetovych vstupu (takze se da merit 5 ronj jednim ICckem) >a navic treba 3 teplotni, takze muzes pri tom merit i teplotu v hlavici a >venku :-). > >Akorat se to v Cesku docela spatne shani, nedavno jsem se snazil sehnal LM75, >ale nenasel. > >Viz napr: >http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ >http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/cvs/lm_sensors2/doc/chips/lm85 > >-- >Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > >Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) >OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) >"To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Aug 21 23:08:46 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sat Aug 21 23:09:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040821205742.GA5945@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040821205742.GA5945@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4127C7EE.1030505@sattnet.cz> *Myslim LM85. Ondrej Zajicek napsal(a): >On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:51:22PM +0200, Damir poljari wrote: > > >Take jsem nad necim takovym uvazoval a napadlo me, ze by mohlo byt dobre >pouzit neco jako LM85 - proste ty ICs, co se pouzivaji na mainboardech >na monitorovani napeti, teploty a otacek a pripojuji se na I2C sbernici a >Maji drivery pro Linux. > >Treba to LM85 ma 5 napetovych vstupu (takze se da merit 5 ronj jednim ICckem) >a navic treba 3 teplotni, takze muzes pri tom merit i teplotu v hlavici a >venku :-). > >Akorat se to v Cesku docela spatne shani, nedavno jsem se snazil sehnal LM75, >ale nenasel. > >Viz napr: >http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ >http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/cvs/lm_sensors2/doc/chips/lm85 > >-- >Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > >Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) >OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) >"To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Aug 21 23:48:31 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Aug 21 23:49:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovak References: <20040816211653.GA31416@beton.cybernet.src><001101c4847f$6091d6e0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040817190413.GC32331@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001301c487d0$fb7c6f40$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> tak jsem to tam n?kam napral :-) http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaUserContributions Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 07:26:48PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > hups a jak se to d?l?? > > m? ta wikina, ehm, p?ijde n?jak? divn? ... > > tak jestli to m??e ud?lat n?kdo za m?, tak pros?m :-) > > obr?zek je na http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png > > Obyc editace textu se dela pomoci tlacitka Edit. Attachment se dela > nekde v tech tlacitkach okolo uz si nepamatuju ale da se na to velmi > snadno prijit. V kazdem kroku to poskytuje jakoby napovedu tim co > to nabizi. > > Cl< > > > > Cipis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 08:52:18PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > > > no na ten zbytek, co jsem nestihl osadit, to bylo sqele > > > > fakt to usetri cas nekolikanasobne > > > > > > > > byl jsem zdechlej tam namalovat ty konektory, protoze jsou podle mne > > jasne > > > > mam to tam domalovat? > > > > clocku, kdyztak si to hod na stranky nebo tam dej odkaz, myslim, ze to > > > > pouzije dost lidi, aspon do te doby, > > > > nez tebou pouzvany soft bude toto generovat > > > > > > Tak to dej pls na wikinu a ja dam odkaz do navodu. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > P.S. V dalsich kusech budu osazovat ty kondiky v SMD, par jsem jich > > musel > > > > osadit ted, protoze obyc nebyly a je to taky rozdil jak prase v case > > > > osazeni. Akorat budou chtit osadit jako uplne prvni. Na rezistory jsou > > ty > > > > roztece moc velke :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "David Sedl??ek" > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 7:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] osazovak > > > > > > > > > > > > Dobry, jen to prislo trochu pozde :-). > > > > > > > > Cipis napsal(a): > > > > > > > > >mno, tak jestli na to dobre vidim a neudelal jsem chybu, tak by nejakej > > > > >osazovak mohl byt na > > > > >http://www.cipis.net/ronja/osazovak.png > > > > >nerucim za spravnost, je uz 3:45 ... > > > > >mrknete na to > > > > >dobrou noc > > > > > > > > > >Cipis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >Ronja mailing list > > > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, David Sedl??ek > > > > http://web.wifistar.net > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sun Aug 22 00:18:03 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 00:18:44 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20dalkove=20zjisteni=20stav=20RSSI?= In-Reply-To: <4127C7C0.2010301@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <377397.5271595-22050-1098029407-1093130283@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "David Sedl??ek" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI Datum (Date): 22. 8. 2004 0:08 ================================================== > Muzu mit par kusu od znamyho v Nemecku. Ale pry to bude asi za 120,- Kc. > Vim, ze je to predrazene, ale mel bys zajem? Do 1-2 tydnu. No ja se v te I2C sbernici moc nevyznam, ale pokud by casem vzniklo schema a byl tedy dostupny nejaky monitorovaci soft, tak bych minimalne o dva kusy zajem mel. Damir (neo10) ____________________________________________________________ Anonymn? p?ipojen? k internetu od Seznamu http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=74638 From pulytr at seznam.cz Sun Aug 22 04:11:38 2004 From: pulytr at seznam.cz (Petr Neumann) Date: Sun Aug 22 04:12:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cena Rondjy Twister ? Message-ID: <20040822031152.33AAF19A15C@relay.inway.cz> ?audy Zaj?maly by m? ceny za kter? se d? postavit Ronja Twister ? A ur?it? by to zaj?malo i ostatn? :) Tak jsem napsal takovou malou kalkulaci :) Pros?m o dopln?n? cen :) D?k moc Cena Ronjy Jedna strana Cel? komplet Ronjy Twister Ob? strany Ronja Twister ti?t?k 125.- x2 250.- Krabi?ky 80.- x2 160.- D? se u?et?it a postavit svoj? Elektr. Sou??stky ? .- x2 ?.- RX elektr. Sou??stky ?.- x2 ?.- Pokud existuje Plo?. ?.- a kde se d? sehnat x2 ?.- TX elektr. Sou??stky ?.- x2 ?.- Pokud existuje Plo?. ?.- -ll- x2 ?.- Plecha?ina ?.- x4 ?.- Ostatn? materi?l ?.- Silikon, Barva, ?roubky atd.. Ale to u? nen? podstatn? :) D?k moc Pulytr ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040822/b852a015/attachment-0001.htm From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 15:41:17 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 22 06:41:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kdy RX a TX na tistakach? Message-ID: <001d01c4878c$eae42d10$02086b0a@atintel> Clocku, vim ze se te na to ptalo uz vic lidi, ale me jde o to, jestli ma cenu cekat na tistaky, kdyz uz mam vsechno na hnizdo? Budou rekneme do mesice? A budou vykonove stejne jako hnizdo? ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040821/d49318f2/attachment.htm From jirka.rozumek at atlas.cz Sun Aug 22 07:49:19 2004 From: jirka.rozumek at atlas.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Ji=F8=ED_Rozumek?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 07:49:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cena Rondjy Twister ? Message-ID: <002001c48814$261db0e0$1a80020a@maximus> Kalkulaci ceny jsem nasel na strankach http://ronja.aktualne.cz Jiri Rozumek ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040822/e0ce2819/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 08:33:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 08:34:12 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?W1NwYW1dUmU6oFtSb25q?= =?iso-8859-1?B?YV2gTmFwYWplY2mgemRyb2ooZSmgdGV0cmFwPSAgICAgP2lzby04ODU5?= =?iso-8859-1?B?LTI/UT9SZTqgW1JvbmphXaBOYXBhamVjaaB6ZHJvaihlKT1BMHRldHJh?= =?iso-8859-1?B?cG9saXM9QTAtPSAgICAgQTBuYXBhamVuaT89IKBwcmltb6B6oFBD?= In-Reply-To: <004101c487c2$71058990$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <8473.62.141.25.1.1093111778.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <004101c487c2$71058990$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040822073335.GA218@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 11:04:13PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > A znate zdroje MOREX??? > > Ty vesele horely po stovkach ;-) > Z PC se stala takova mala dymovnice.... Jo ty mely prej 1 elektrolytickej kondenzator otocenej. Cl< From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 17:56:33 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 22 08:56:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory Message-ID: <000c01c4879f$d0594e40$02086b0a@atintel> Ma cenu pouzit v Ronje uhlikove odpory? Staci vubec jejich max ztratovy vykon 0.25W? ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040821/9d5a90a4/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 10:31:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 10:32:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cena Rondjy Twister ? In-Reply-To: <002001c48814$261db0e0$1a80020a@maximus> References: <002001c48814$261db0e0$1a80020a@maximus> Message-ID: <20040822093139.GB615@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 08:49:19AM +0200, Ji?? Rozumek wrote: > Kalkulaci ceny jsem nasel na strankach http://ronja.aktualne.cz http://ronja.aktualne.cz/ronja/tx/index.htm "Jedno?ipov? verze Zat?m se mi nepoda?ilo sehnat sch?ma. M??ete se pokusit n?co vykoumat z fotky. Jen prozrad?m, ?e pou?it? tranzistor je KF 508" To fakt rulez ;-) Nekdo si postavi modifikovanou verzi vysilace s nejakym tranzistorem, ale schema se mu od ni sehnat nepodarilo ;-) Asi ho pri tom shaneni nenapadlo se podivat na svuj vlastni stul nebo tak nejak ;-) Nemate nekdo nahodou to schema s tim tranzistorem navic? Cl< > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Honza Hoidekr" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:09 PM > Subject: [Spam]Re: [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e) tetrap= ?iso-8859-2?Q?Re: > [Ronja] Napajeci zdroj(e)=A0tetrapolis=A0-= A0napajeni?= primo z PC > > > > Jak uz tady psal Clock: zdroj se opravdu nemusi pri zkratu vypnout. > > Vypinani pocitacovych zdroju pri zkratu jsem take bral jako samozrejmost > > nez mi jednou pri nahodnym zkratu shorela plamenem izolace na dratech a > > zdroj vesel bezel. > > Zdroje z pocitacu pouzivam dal a doporucuju je, ale vsechno ma sve meze. > > > > Honza Hoidekr > > > > > > >> Jsi si jisty, ze kdyz dojde ke zkratu nebo zesileni proudu nad > > >> 25A/12V > > >> (nebo kolik bude davat), tak to ten zdroj vubec prezije ? > > >> (Dyt ma take svoji pojistku. Rek bych, ze v PC musi byt zdroj > > >> citlivejsi nez ostatni bezne zdroje.) > > >> > > >> p0l0us > > > naprosta vetsina zdroju se pri zkratu automaticky odpoji od site... > > > vyzkouseno > > > > > > ROOTen > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.848 (20040820) __________ > > > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > > http://www.nod32.cz > > > > > > > > Jiri Rozumek > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 10:41:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 10:42:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cena Rondjy Twister ? In-Reply-To: <20040822031152.33AAF19A15C@relay.inway.cz> References: <20040822031152.33AAF19A15C@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: <20040822094158.GD615@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 05:11:38AM +0200, Petr Neumann wrote: > ?audy No kdyby bylo uz opravdu nejhur, tak mate jeste posledni moznost precist si navod na http://ronja.twibright.com ;-) : http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.components.cz Cl< > > > > Zaj?maly by m? ceny za kter? se d? postavit Ronja Twister ? > > A ur?it? by to zaj?malo i ostatn? :) > > Tak jsem napsal takovou malou kalkulaci :) Pros?m o dopln?n? cen :) D?k moc > > > > Cena Ronjy Jedna strana Cel? komplet Ronjy > Twister Ob? strany > > Ronja Twister ti?t?k 125.- x2 250.- > > Krabi?ky 80.- x2 160.- D? se > u?et?it a postavit svoj? > > Elektr. Sou??stky ? .- x2 ?.- > > > > RX elektr. Sou??stky ?.- x2 ?.- > > Pokud existuje Plo?. ?.- a kde se d? sehnat x2 ?.- > > > > > > TX elektr. Sou??stky ?.- x2 ?.- > > Pokud existuje Plo?. ?.- -ll- x2 ?.- > > > > Plecha?ina ?.- x4 ?.- > > > > Ostatn? materi?l ?.- > > Silikon, Barva, ?roubky atd.. Ale to u? nen? podstatn? :) > > > > D?k moc Pulytr From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 10:51:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 10:52:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kdy RX a TX na tistakach? In-Reply-To: <001d01c4878c$eae42d10$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001d01c4878c$eae42d10$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040822095133.GA819@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 07:41:17AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: > Clocku, vim ze se te na to ptalo uz vic lidi, ale me jde o to, jestli ma cenu > cekat na tistaky, kdyz uz mam vsechno na hnizdo? Budou rekneme do mesice? A > budou vykonove stejne jako hnizdo? Do mesice nevim - asi spis ne, protoze jen vyroba tistaku trva 21 dni. Vykonove jako hnizdo bejt musej, nejakej crap delat nehodlam. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 10:52:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 10:52:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory In-Reply-To: <000c01c4879f$d0594e40$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000c01c4879f$d0594e40$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040822095203.GB819@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:56:33AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: > Ma cenu pouzit v Ronje uhlikove odpory? Staci vubec jejich max ztratovy vykon > 0.25W? No jestli neni problem sehnat metalicky tak tam dej metalicky, jestli je nesezenes, tak klidne uhlikovy. Cl< From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 19:56:47 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 22 10:57:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory References: <000c01c4879f$d0594e40$02086b0a@atintel> <20040822095203.GB819@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000501c487b0$9c0120d0$02086b0a@atintel> metalicky samozrejme problem sehnat neni, ale uhlikovy maj mensi parazitni indukcnost, coz by mohlo byt dobre ne? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:56:33AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >> Ma cenu pouzit v Ronje uhlikove odpory? Staci vubec jejich max ztratovy >> vykon >> 0.25W? > > No jestli neni problem sehnat metalicky tak tam dej metalicky, jestli je > nesezenes, tak klidne uhlikovy. > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 19:57:37 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 22 10:57:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kdy RX a TX na tistakach? References: <001d01c4878c$eae42d10$02086b0a@atintel> <20040822095133.GA819@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000b01c487b0$b9d5b1c0$02086b0a@atintel> OK. Jak to vyrabis, ze to trva 21 dni? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Kdy RX a TX na tistakach? > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 07:41:17AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >> Clocku, vim ze se te na to ptalo uz vic lidi, ale me jde o to, jestli ma >> cenu >> cekat na tistaky, kdyz uz mam vsechno na hnizdo? Budou rekneme do mesice? >> A >> budou vykonove stejne jako hnizdo? > > Do mesice nevim - asi spis ne, protoze jen vyroba tistaku trva 21 dni. > Vykonove jako hnizdo bejt musej, nejakej crap delat nehodlam. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sun Aug 22 10:59:21 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sun Aug 22 11:00:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040821181827.GB21654@beton.cybernet.src> References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> <4127B223.1040008@katka.biz> <20040821181827.GB21654@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1093168761.41286e796087d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Slozity to fakt neni. Tam maju embeded Webserver Ethernut za bratru asi 4000Kc. Z jedne strany to ma RS232 a z druhe UTP. Podobnou vec maji na web51.hw.cz Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 07:35:47PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > Napade me, jen jedna jedina moznost - autor zadosti mel na mysli neco > > POUZITELNETHO, co by umoznilo kontrolovat ronji RSSI z pohodli sveho PC. > > > > 2 Rys: Zadny dite asi nema radost z lizatka za vylohou, ktery je ultra > > velky a barevny.... v tvym pripade taky bakelitovy, neprodejny. Proste > > bud to chces zverejnit a nebo ne ! Nejni to tak slozity. Jestli to > > Slozity to fakt neni - staci uploadnout zdrojaky predmetneho > proprietarniho reseni na web ;-) > > > nechces zverejnit, tak je to tva volba a nikomu to asi nevadi, ale pak > > je tva odpoved celkem mimo nemyslis ?? > > > > Nic ve zlym, du na pivo > > p0l0us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From santiago at mail.cz Sun Aug 22 11:08:51 2004 From: santiago at mail.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sun Aug 22 11:09:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hlinikove trubky? Message-ID: <20040822100851.GA27872@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 11:03:28PM +0200, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > trubky mam hlinikove (coz by nemel byt problem se stinenim-vodive jsou taky). > > Edison Radotin To by me zajimalo - to planuji taky. Jake maji rozmery, kde se daji sehnat a kolik orientacne stoji? Jaky je prumer mezikruzi (asi to neni plech, neni-liz pravda?)? -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sun Aug 22 11:11:14 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Sun Aug 22 11:11:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <4127C7C0.2010301@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040822101114.GB27872@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 12:08:00AM +0200, David Sedlek wrote: > Muzu mit par kusu od znamyho v Nemecku. Ale pry to bude asi za 120,- Kc. > Vim, ze je to predrazene, ale mel bys zajem? Do 1-2 tydnu. Az budu mit postavene ty ronji, tak bych si mozna par kusu vzal. Pocka to (jinymi slovy - je mozne to sehnat pozdeji?)? -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Aug 22 11:18:58 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 11:19:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040822101114.GB27872@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040822101114.GB27872@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <41287312.20407@sattnet.cz> Urcite ;-). Ondrej Zajicek napsal(a): >On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 12:08:00AM +0200, David Sedlek wrote: > > >>Muzu mit par kusu od znamyho v Nemecku. Ale pry to bude asi za 120,- Kc. >>Vim, ze je to predrazene, ale mel bys zajem? Do 1-2 tydnu. >> >> > >Az budu mit postavene ty ronji, tak bych si mozna par kusu vzal. >Pocka to (jinymi slovy - je mozne to sehnat pozdeji?)? > >-- >Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo > >Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) >OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) >"To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Sun Aug 22 11:20:30 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Sun Aug 22 11:21:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040822101114.GB27872@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040822101114.GB27872@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <1093170030.4128736ee403b@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> No, kdyby se nasel programator, tak by tu bylo reseni. V GM i GES maji LM331 / KA331, coz je prevodnik U/f. Jen je potreba dodelat citani frekvence na COMce do PC. Pokud ma nekdo zajem, tam mam rutiny pro DOS. Pripadne lze cerpat inspiraci z knihy Mereni s PC??? (nebo tak nejak) od B. Kanky, ktera je k dostani v BEN. From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 11:35:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 11:36:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory In-Reply-To: <000501c487b0$9c0120d0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000c01c4879f$d0594e40$02086b0a@atintel> <20040822095203.GB819@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c487b0$9c0120d0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040822103559.GB1060@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 11:56:47AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: > metalicky samozrejme problem sehnat neni, ale uhlikovy maj mensi parazitni > indukcnost, coz by mohlo byt dobre ne? Jak ten metalickej uvnitr vypada? Nedela se to uz jako jedna vrstva a ne jako vyskrabana civka? A ono stejne v Ronje ta indukcnost nevadi - mozna krome toho odporu co je v serii s vysilaci diodou. Otazka je taky jak je velka - takhle mala civecka moc velkou mit nebude, pokud bude mit jen malo zavitu. Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory > > > >On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:56:33AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: > >>Ma cenu pouzit v Ronje uhlikove odpory? Staci vubec jejich max ztratovy > >>vykon > >>0.25W? > > > >No jestli neni problem sehnat metalicky tak tam dej metalicky, jestli je > >nesezenes, tak klidne uhlikovy. > > > >Cl< > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 11:36:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 11:37:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <1093168761.41286e796087d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> <4127B223.1040008@katka.biz> <20040821181827.GB21654@beton.cybernet.src> <1093168761.41286e796087d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <20040822103653.GC1060@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 11:59:21AM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Slozity to fakt neni. Tam maju embeded Webserver Ethernut za bratru asi 4000Kc. > Z jedne strany to ma RS232 a z druhe UTP. Podobnou vec maji na web51.hw.cz A neni v tom nejaky Intel 8051 nebo neco takovyho? Cl< > > > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 07:35:47PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > > Napade me, jen jedna jedina moznost - autor zadosti mel na mysli neco > > > POUZITELNETHO, co by umoznilo kontrolovat ronji RSSI z pohodli sveho PC. > > > > > > 2 Rys: Zadny dite asi nema radost z lizatka za vylohou, ktery je ultra > > > velky a barevny.... v tvym pripade taky bakelitovy, neprodejny. Proste > > > bud to chces zverejnit a nebo ne ! Nejni to tak slozity. Jestli to > > > > Slozity to fakt neni - staci uploadnout zdrojaky predmetneho > > proprietarniho reseni na web ;-) > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 11:37:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 11:37:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hlinikove trubky? In-Reply-To: <20040822100851.GA27872@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040822100851.GA27872@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040822103723.GD1060@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 12:08:51PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 11:03:28PM +0200, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > > trubky mam hlinikove (coz by nemel byt problem se stinenim-vodive jsou taky). > > > > Edison Radotin > > To by me zajimalo - to planuji taky. Jake maji rozmery, kde se daji sehnat a > kolik orientacne stoji? Jaky je prumer mezikruzi (asi to neni plech, neni-liz > pravda?)? Jaky trubky - ty velky na hlavice? Cl< From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 21:21:02 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 22 12:21:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory References: <000c01c4879f$d0594e40$02086b0a@atintel><20040822095203.GB819@beton.cybernet.src><000501c487b0$9c0120d0$02086b0a@atintel> <20040822103559.GB1060@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000b01c487bc$614a09a0$02086b0a@atintel> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:35 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 11:56:47AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >> metalicky samozrejme problem sehnat neni, ale uhlikovy maj mensi >> parazitni >> indukcnost, coz by mohlo byt dobre ne? > > Jak ten metalickej uvnitr vypada? Nedela se to uz jako jedna vrstva > a ne jako vyskrabana civka? Jak vypada vevnitr nevim, zkusim to zjistit :) > > A ono stejne v Ronje ta indukcnost nevadi - mozna krome toho odporu co je > v serii s vysilaci diodou. Otazka je taky jak je velka - takhle mala > civecka > moc velkou mit nebude, pokud bude mit jen malo zavitu. > > Cl Asi tam tech zavitu opravdu moc nebude, zvlaste u malych hodnot. Staci kdyz bude ten odpor v serii s vysilaci diodou 0.25W? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karel Kulhav?" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory >> >> >> >On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:56:33AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >> >>Ma cenu pouzit v Ronje uhlikove odpory? Staci vubec jejich max ztratovy >> >>vykon >> >>0.25W? >> > >> >No jestli neni problem sehnat metalicky tak tam dej metalicky, jestli je >> >nesezenes, tak klidne uhlikovy. >> > >> >Cl< >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Ronja mailing list >> >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 21:53:31 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 22 12:53:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory References: <000c01c4879f$d0594e40$02086b0a@atintel><20040822095203.GB819@beton.cybernet.src><000501c487b0$9c0120d0$02086b0a@atintel><20040822103559.GB1060@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c487bc$614a09a0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <000501c487c0$eb2445b0$02086b0a@atintel> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milan Korda" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory > > >> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 11:56:47AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >>> metalicky samozrejme problem sehnat neni, ale uhlikovy maj mensi >>> parazitni >>> indukcnost, coz by mohlo byt dobre ne? >> >> Jak ten metalickej uvnitr vypada? Nedela se to uz jako jedna vrstva >> a ne jako vyskrabana civka? > Jak vypada vevnitr nevim, zkusim to zjistit :) >> >> A ono stejne v Ronje ta indukcnost nevadi - mozna krome toho odporu co je >> v serii s vysilaci diodou. Otazka je taky jak je velka - takhle mala >> civecka >> moc velkou mit nebude, pokud bude mit jen malo zavitu. >> >> Cl > Asi tam tech zavitu opravdu moc nebude, zvlaste u malych hodnot. Staci > kdyz bude ten odpor v serii s vysilaci diodou 0.25W? > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Karel Kulhav?" >>> To: "Twibright Ronja" >>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory >>> >>> >>> >On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:56:33AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >>> >>Ma cenu pouzit v Ronje uhlikove odpory? Staci vubec jejich max >>> >>ztratovy >>> >>vykon >>> >>0.25W? >>> > >>> >No jestli neni problem sehnat metalicky tak tam dej metalicky, jestli >>> >je >>> >nesezenes, tak klidne uhlikovy. >>> > >>> >Cl< Tak jsem se jednomu metalizovanemu odporu podival na zoubek a opravdu je tam kovova drazka, takze tam nejaka indukcnost bude. Mam to i vyfoceny, ale nefugujou mi USB porty u PC, takze fotka bude nekdy az je rozchodim :) From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 13:04:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 13:05:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory In-Reply-To: <000b01c487bc$614a09a0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20040822103559.GB1060@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c487bc$614a09a0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040822120423.GA17465@beton.cybernet.src> > >Jak ten metalickej uvnitr vypada? Nedela se to uz jako jedna vrstva > >a ne jako vyskrabana civka? > Jak vypada vevnitr nevim, zkusim to zjistit :) > > > >A ono stejne v Ronje ta indukcnost nevadi - mozna krome toho odporu co je > >v serii s vysilaci diodou. Otazka je taky jak je velka - takhle mala > >civecka > >moc velkou mit nebude, pokud bude mit jen malo zavitu. > > > >Cl > Asi tam tech zavitu opravdu moc nebude, zvlaste u malych hodnot. Staci kdyz > bude ten odpor v serii s vysilaci diodou 0.25W? Jo staci. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 13:05:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 13:05:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory In-Reply-To: <000501c487c0$eb2445b0$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000b01c487bc$614a09a0$02086b0a@atintel> <000501c487c0$eb2445b0$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040822120504.GB17465@beton.cybernet.src> > Tak jsem se jednomu metalizovanemu odporu podival na zoubek a opravdu je > tam kovova drazka, takze tam nejaka indukcnost bude. Mam to i vyfoceny, ale > nefugujou mi USB porty u PC, takze fotka bude nekdy az je rozchodim :) A kolik tech zavitu tam tak odhadem muze bejt? Cl< From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 21 22:14:35 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 22 13:14:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory References: <000b01c487bc$614a09a0$02086b0a@atintel><000501c487c0$eb2445b0$02086b0a@atintel> <20040822120504.GB17465@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000e01c487c3$dc463e60$02086b0a@atintel> Tak uz jsem to rozchodil :) Omluv pls kvalitu fotky, muj fotak moc takovyhle makro neumi :( Je to odpor 10K. Muzu teda pripadne vsude v Ronje pouzit 0.25W odpory? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory >> Tak jsem se jednomu metalizovanemu odporu podival na zoubek a opravdu je >> tam kovova drazka, takze tam nejaka indukcnost bude. Mam to i vyfoceny, >> ale >> nefugujou mi USB porty u PC, takze fotka bude nekdy az je rozchodim :) > > A kolik tech zavitu tam tak odhadem muze bejt? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- Netextov? p??loha byla odstran?na... Jm?no: odpor.JPG Typ: image/jpeg Velikost: 4497 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040821/9b4aee28/odpor.jpg From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sun Aug 22 14:29:25 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 14:30:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory In-Reply-To: <000e01c487c3$dc463e60$02086b0a@atintel> References: <000b01c487bc$614a09a0$02086b0a@atintel><000501c487c0$eb2445b0$02086b0a@atintel> <20040822120504.GB17465@beton.cybernet.src> <000e01c487c3$dc463e60$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <41289FB5.8090905@sattnet.cz> A ty zavity jsou tvoreny dvojitym dratem? - Drat prehnuty a pak namotany na nejake jadro, aby se tam nic neindukovalo. Snad me nekdo chape :-)). Milan Korda napsal(a): > Tak uz jsem to rozchodil :) Omluv pls kvalitu fotky, muj fotak moc > takovyhle makro neumi :( Je to odpor 10K. > Muzu teda pripadne vsude v Ronje pouzit 0.25W odpory? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 5:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory > > >>> Tak jsem se jednomu metalizovanemu odporu podival na zoubek a >>> opravdu je >>> tam kovova drazka, takze tam nejaka indukcnost bude. Mam to i >>> vyfoceny, ale >>> nefugujou mi USB porty u PC, takze fotka bude nekdy az je rozchodim :) >> >> >> A kolik tech zavitu tam tak odhadem muze bejt? >> >> Cl< >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 15:44:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 15:45:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory In-Reply-To: <000e01c487c3$dc463e60$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20040822120504.GB17465@beton.cybernet.src> <000e01c487c3$dc463e60$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040822144458.GB9546@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:14:35PM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: > Tak uz jsem to rozchodil :) Omluv pls kvalitu fotky, muj fotak moc > takovyhle makro neumi :( Je to odpor 10K. > Muzu teda pripadne vsude v Ronje pouzit 0.25W odpory? A tenhle ten zobrazenej ten je uhlikovej nebo metalizovanej? Cl< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 5:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory > > > >>Tak jsem se jednomu metalizovanemu odporu podival na zoubek a opravdu je > >>tam kovova drazka, takze tam nejaka indukcnost bude. Mam to i vyfoceny, > >>ale > >>nefugujou mi USB porty u PC, takze fotka bude nekdy az je rozchodim :) > > > >A kolik tech zavitu tam tak odhadem muze bejt? > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Aug 22 00:47:44 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 22 15:48:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory References: <20040822120504.GB17465@beton.cybernet.src><000e01c487c3$dc463e60$02086b0a@atintel> <20040822144458.GB9546@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c487d9$41750ea0$02086b0a@atintel> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:14:35PM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >> Tak uz jsem to rozchodil :) Omluv pls kvalitu fotky, muj fotak moc >> takovyhle makro neumi :( Je to odpor 10K. >> Muzu teda pripadne vsude v Ronje pouzit 0.25W odpory? > > A tenhle ten zobrazenej ten je uhlikovej nebo metalizovanej? > > Cl< Metalizovany. From korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Aug 22 00:50:58 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 22 15:50:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory References: <20040822120504.GB17465@beton.cybernet.src><000e01c487c3$dc463e60$02086b0a@atintel> <20040822144458.GB9546@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000b01c487d9$b4d6b740$02086b0a@atintel> Muzu teda pouzit vsude 0.25W odpory? From korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Aug 22 00:50:38 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 22 15:51:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory References: <20040822120504.GB17465@beton.cybernet.src><000e01c487c3$dc463e60$02086b0a@atintel> <20040822144458.GB9546@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c487d9$a9432760$02086b0a@atintel> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:14:35PM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >> Tak uz jsem to rozchodil :) Omluv pls kvalitu fotky, muj fotak moc >> takovyhle makro neumi :( Je to odpor 10K. >> Muzu teda pripadne vsude v Ronje pouzit 0.25W odpory? > > A tenhle ten zobrazenej ten je uhlikovej nebo metalizovanej? > > Cl< >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karel Kulhav?" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 5:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory >> >> >> >>Tak jsem se jednomu metalizovanemu odporu podival na zoubek a opravdu >> >>je >> >>tam kovova drazka, takze tam nejaka indukcnost bude. Mam to i vyfoceny, >> >>ale >> >>nefugujou mi USB porty u PC, takze fotka bude nekdy az je rozchodim :) >> > >> >A kolik tech zavitu tam tak odhadem muze bejt? >> > >> >Cl< >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Ronja mailing list >> >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 16:26:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 16:26:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory In-Reply-To: <000b01c487d9$b4d6b740$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20040822144458.GB9546@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c487d9$b4d6b740$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040822152602.GB9678@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:50:58PM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: > Muzu teda pouzit vsude 0.25W odpory? Jo muzes. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Sun Aug 22 17:13:50 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sun Aug 22 17:16:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> <4127B223.1040008@katka.biz> <20040821181827.GB21654@beton.cybernet.src> <1093168761.41286e796087d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <004901c48863$0378ba40$0101a8c0@cz> Ja tam mam Atmel T89C51AC2 . Do nej jde vstup od teplotniho clanku (mereni teploty) a od RSSI . K tomu je pripojen 24c16 jako informace o poslednim udaji (zalozni pamet). Ven to leze na UTP (c51 ma vlastni IP atd) a je to vyreseno tak, ze jednou za 5 minut se c51 napoji pres ftp na web stranku a aktualizuje gif soubory. Zaroven z c51 mam sbernici na 2-radkovy LCD (2x16) , kde se mi zobrazujou ruzne hodnoty. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI > Slozity to fakt neni. Tam maju embeded Webserver Ethernut za bratru asi 4000Kc. > Z jedne strany to ma RS232 a z druhe UTP. Podobnou vec maji na web51.hw.cz > > > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 07:35:47PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > > Napade me, jen jedna jedina moznost - autor zadosti mel na mysli neco > > > POUZITELNETHO, co by umoznilo kontrolovat ronji RSSI z pohodli sveho PC. > > > > > > 2 Rys: Zadny dite asi nema radost z lizatka za vylohou, ktery je ultra > > > velky a barevny.... v tvym pripade taky bakelitovy, neprodejny. Proste > > > bud to chces zverejnit a nebo ne ! Nejni to tak slozity. Jestli to > > > > Slozity to fakt neni - staci uploadnout zdrojaky predmetneho > > proprietarniho reseni na web ;-) > > > > > nechces zverejnit, tak je to tva volba a nikomu to asi nevadi, ale pak > > > je tva odpoved celkem mimo nemyslis ?? > > > > > > Nic ve zlym, du na pivo > > > p0l0us > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 17:17:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 17:18:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI In-Reply-To: <004901c48863$0378ba40$0101a8c0@cz> References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> <4127B223.1040008@katka.biz> <20040821181827.GB21654@beton.cybernet.src> <1093168761.41286e796087d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <004901c48863$0378ba40$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040822161758.GA9958@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 06:13:50PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Ja tam mam Atmel T89C51AC2 . > Do nej jde vstup od teplotniho clanku (mereni teploty) a od RSSI . > K tomu je pripojen 24c16 jako informace o poslednim udaji (zalozni pamet). > Ven to leze na UTP (c51 ma vlastni IP atd) a je to vyreseno tak, ze jednou > za 5 minut se c51 napoji pres ftp > na web stranku a aktualizuje gif soubory. > Zaroven z c51 mam sbernici na 2-radkovy LCD (2x16) , kde se mi zobrazujou > ruzne hodnoty. A mas od toho schema zapojeni a nejaky program pro ten jednocip? Cl< > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI > > > > Slozity to fakt neni. Tam maju embeded Webserver Ethernut za bratru asi > 4000Kc. > > Z jedne strany to ma RS232 a z druhe UTP. Podobnou vec maji na web51.hw.cz > > > > > > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 07:35:47PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > > > Napade me, jen jedna jedina moznost - autor zadosti mel na mysli neco > > > > POUZITELNETHO, co by umoznilo kontrolovat ronji RSSI z pohodli sveho > PC. > > > > > > > > 2 Rys: Zadny dite asi nema radost z lizatka za vylohou, ktery je ultra > > > > velky a barevny.... v tvym pripade taky bakelitovy, neprodejny. Proste > > > > bud to chces zverejnit a nebo ne ! Nejni to tak slozity. Jestli to > > > > > > Slozity to fakt neni - staci uploadnout zdrojaky predmetneho > > > proprietarniho reseni na web ;-) > > > > > > > nechces zverejnit, tak je to tva volba a nikomu to asi nevadi, ale pak > > > > je tva odpoved celkem mimo nemyslis ?? > > > > > > > > Nic ve zlym, du na pivo > > > > p0l0us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sun Aug 22 17:23:32 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 17:24:13 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20dalkove=20zjisteni=20stav=20RSSI?= In-Reply-To: <004901c48863$0378ba40$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <539413.1534988-21240-459776215-1093191812@email.seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "-=RYS=-" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI Datum (Date): 22. 8. 2004 18:13 ================================================== > Ja tam mam Atmel T89C51AC2 . > Do nej jde vstup od teplotniho clanku (mereni teploty) a od RSSI . > K tomu je pripojen 24c16 jako informace o poslednim udaji (zalozni pamet). > Ven to leze na UTP (c51 ma vlastni IP atd) a je to vyreseno tak, ze jednou > za 5 minut se c51 napoji pres ftp > na web stranku a aktualizuje gif soubory. > Zaroven z c51 mam sbernici na 2-radkovy LCD (2x16) , kde se mi zobrazujou > ruzne hodnoty. > Martin a nejaky schema a soft nebude?? ;) ____________________________________________________________ INVIA.CZ - tis?ce Last Minute z?jezd? online. Nab?dka od prov??en?ch CK na jednom m?st?. Vyber, klikni a je?! http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=76646 From cd930 at centrum.cz Sun Aug 22 19:52:16 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sun Aug 22 19:55:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> <4127B223.1040008@katka.biz> <20040821181827.GB21654@beton.cybernet.src> <1093168761.41286e796087d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <004901c48863$0378ba40$0101a8c0@cz> <20040822161758.GA9958@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000901c48879$254c6340$0101a8c0@cz> Nejak uz mi to facha, ale zatim je to ve vyvoji. To ze tam je napsano Crusader neznamena, ze je to Crusader, uz 2 mesice je tam jen FSO nazev. Nekdy se sekte komunikace na UTP.....takze se odladuje soft pro HW. Ten HW taky neni jeste doladen, chci aby to tocilo mikromechanikou na "remote" dosmerovani jako ma SonaBeam. Mikromechaniku na ktere je ulozen TX uz mam...krouti to 4st vlevo-vpravo a 4st nahoru-dolu. Jeste bych rad doostrovani a autoprepinani na radiozalohu pri poklesu signalu na dobu delsi nez 4s. Pak dvojite rele prepne draty od UTP na Dlink900AP+. Jak rikam....tohle je polotovat, ktery se musi jeste doladit. Byla tu vsak moznost dat tam neco jako MC 68332 + 1MB RAM + 28F800 a resit to klasikou i s upgrade firmware. Jeste je na cem pracovat ..... a hodne. Spise to mel byt takovy namet na premysleni, ze jednocipy ktere se dnes prodavaj uz maj A/D prevodnik v sobe. A myslim, ze 89C51 by mel leckdo zvladnout. Martin PS: Proto prosim hned na me nenadavejte, jinak se na to fakt..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI > On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 06:13:50PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Ja tam mam Atmel T89C51AC2 . > > Do nej jde vstup od teplotniho clanku (mereni teploty) a od RSSI . > > K tomu je pripojen 24c16 jako informace o poslednim udaji (zalozni pamet). > > Ven to leze na UTP (c51 ma vlastni IP atd) a je to vyreseno tak, ze jednou > > za 5 minut se c51 napoji pres ftp > > na web stranku a aktualizuje gif soubory. > > Zaroven z c51 mam sbernici na 2-radkovy LCD (2x16) , kde se mi zobrazujou > > ruzne hodnoty. > > A mas od toho schema zapojeni a nejaky program pro ten jednocip? > > Cl< > > > > Martin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 11:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI > > > > > > > Slozity to fakt neni. Tam maju embeded Webserver Ethernut za bratru asi > > 4000Kc. > > > Z jedne strany to ma RS232 a z druhe UTP. Podobnou vec maji na web51.hw.cz > > > > > > > > > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 07:35:47PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > > > > Napade me, jen jedna jedina moznost - autor zadosti mel na mysli neco > > > > > POUZITELNETHO, co by umoznilo kontrolovat ronji RSSI z pohodli sveho > > PC. > > > > > > > > > > 2 Rys: Zadny dite asi nema radost z lizatka za vylohou, ktery je ultra > > > > > velky a barevny.... v tvym pripade taky bakelitovy, neprodejny. Proste > > > > > bud to chces zverejnit a nebo ne ! Nejni to tak slozity. Jestli to > > > > > > > > Slozity to fakt neni - staci uploadnout zdrojaky predmetneho > > > > proprietarniho reseni na web ;-) > > > > > > > > > nechces zverejnit, tak je to tva volba a nikomu to asi nevadi, ale pak > > > > > je tva odpoved celkem mimo nemyslis ?? > > > > > > > > > > Nic ve zlym, du na pivo > > > > > p0l0us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 22 20:14:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 20:15:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] pomoc In-Reply-To: <002601c35b59$243b7840$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> References: <002601c35b59$243b7840$fea8a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <20040822191445.GA32663@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 03:54:50PM +0200, miro wrote: > > > namiesto BF 988 som pouzil BF 966s kondenzator v RX module C 105 ktory ide > pred odpor R 106 na napajanie fetu som vyhodil. Tranzistory 2N3904 mali by byt > parovane v TX aj v RX . Blokovaci kondenzator C122 ktory ide na bazu 2N 3904 som zmenil zo 100n na 10n a ku kondenzatoru C126 10n som pridal este 22On > kondenzator. > V TX namiesto C7 a C 5 Ktore idu na bazu 2N3904 som dal kondenzator 10n > delicka na napajanie 74HC04 to je R8,R9 som dal zhodne 47k odpory. Vsetky > upravy sa tykaju schem, ktore vysli pre plosne spoje , ale ja som ich pouzil ako vrabcie hniezdo do pocinovanej krabicky.December 10 2003 Clok A v cem byl problem? Co nechodi? Jinak to blokovani tech bazi vratte z 10n na 100n... Cl< From polous at katka.biz Sun Aug 22 23:34:05 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Aug 22 20:32:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Radiova zaloha FSO In-Reply-To: <000901c48879$254c6340$0101a8c0@cz> References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> <4127B223.1040008@katka.biz> <20040821181827.GB21654@beton.cybernet.src> <1093168761.41286e796087d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <004901c48863$0378ba40$0101a8c0@cz> <20040822161758.GA9958@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c48879$254c6340$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <41291F5D.8020600@katka.biz> Vetsinou FSO ma radiovou zalohu. Pokud je to zaloha, tak je nevyuzita. Zajma mne, jestli jde pouzivat wi-fi ?zalohu? paralelne zaroven s FSO. I kdyz jsou prenosove rychlosti a pingy horsi, na prehlcene pateri to preci zlepsi propustnost ne ? Dalsi veci je, ze pouzivany wifi spoj zvlaste v zarusenych castech czfree byva v o poznani lepsim stavu nez nepouzivany - dlouho nepouzivana zaloha by ani nemusela fungovat. Zabyval se tim nekdo ? p0l0us -=RYS=- wrote: >Nejak uz mi to facha, ale zatim je to ve vyvoji. >To ze tam je napsano Crusader neznamena, ze je to Crusader, uz 2 mesice je >tam jen FSO nazev. >Nekdy se sekte komunikace na UTP.....takze se odladuje soft pro HW. >Ten HW taky neni jeste doladen, chci aby to tocilo mikromechanikou na >"remote" dosmerovani jako ma SonaBeam. >Mikromechaniku na ktere je ulozen TX uz mam...krouti to 4st vlevo-vpravo a >4st nahoru-dolu. >Jeste bych rad doostrovani a autoprepinani na radiozalohu pri poklesu >signalu na dobu delsi nez 4s. >Pak dvojite rele prepne draty od UTP na Dlink900AP+. > >Jak rikam....tohle je polotovat, ktery se musi jeste doladit. >Byla tu vsak moznost dat tam neco jako MC 68332 + 1MB RAM + 28F800 a resit >to klasikou i s upgrade firmware. > >Jeste je na cem pracovat ..... a hodne. > >Spise to mel byt takovy namet na premysleni, ze jednocipy ktere se dnes >prodavaj uz maj A/D prevodnik v sobe. >A myslim, ze 89C51 by mel leckdo zvladnout. > >Martin > >PS: Proto prosim hned na me nenadavejte, jinak se na to fakt..... > > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Sun Aug 22 21:05:29 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sun Aug 22 21:08:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Radiova zaloha FSO References: <389550.5373037-22052-307486711-1093089082@email.seznam.cz> <001601c4879b$e5205ac0$0101a8c0@cz> <4127B223.1040008@katka.biz> <20040821181827.GB21654@beton.cybernet.src> <1093168761.41286e796087d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> <004901c48863$0378ba40$0101a8c0@cz> <20040822161758.GA9958@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c48879$254c6340$0101a8c0@cz> <41291F5D.8020600@katka.biz> Message-ID: <001801c48883$5fb1d600$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Radiova zaloha FSO > Vetsinou FSO ma radiovou zalohu. Pokud je to zaloha, tak je nevyuzita. Ale vysila. > Zajma mne, jestli jde pouzivat wi-fi ?zalohu? paralelne zaroven s FSO. I > kdyz jsou prenosove rychlosti a pingy horsi, na prehlcene pateri to > preci zlepsi propustnost ne ? To nevim >Dalsi veci je, ze pouzivany wifi spoj > zvlaste v zarusenych castech czfree byva v o poznani lepsim stavu nez > nepouzivany - dlouho nepouzivana zaloha by ani nemusela fungovat. > > Zabyval se tim nekdo ? Nikdy jsem tenhle problem nemel, protoze: 1) spoj je PtP na 60cm parabolach s limcem 2) modulace je PSK/FSK 1/2Mbps Martin > > p0l0us > > -=RYS=- wrote: > > >Nejak uz mi to facha, ale zatim je to ve vyvoji. > >To ze tam je napsano Crusader neznamena, ze je to Crusader, uz 2 mesice je > >tam jen FSO nazev. > >Nekdy se sekte komunikace na UTP.....takze se odladuje soft pro HW. > >Ten HW taky neni jeste doladen, chci aby to tocilo mikromechanikou na > >"remote" dosmerovani jako ma SonaBeam. > >Mikromechaniku na ktere je ulozen TX uz mam...krouti to 4st vlevo-vpravo a > >4st nahoru-dolu. > >Jeste bych rad doostrovani a autoprepinani na radiozalohu pri poklesu > >signalu na dobu delsi nez 4s. > >Pak dvojite rele prepne draty od UTP na Dlink900AP+. > > > >Jak rikam....tohle je polotovat, ktery se musi jeste doladit. > >Byla tu vsak moznost dat tam neco jako MC 68332 + 1MB RAM + 28F800 a resit > >to klasikou i s upgrade firmware. > > > >Jeste je na cem pracovat ..... a hodne. > > > >Spise to mel byt takovy namet na premysleni, ze jednocipy ktere se dnes > >prodavaj uz maj A/D prevodnik v sobe. > >A myslim, ze 89C51 by mel leckdo zvladnout. > > > >Martin > > > >PS: Proto prosim hned na me nenadavejte, jinak se na to fakt..... > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sun Aug 22 22:12:25 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sun Aug 22 22:43:06 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20dalkove=20zjisteni=20stav=20RSSI?= In-Reply-To: <000901c48879$254c6340$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <373672.5381992-9539-1010107247-1093209145@email.seznam.cz> Tohle cely je OFFTOPIC! Muj puvodni totaz byl jestli to uz ma doma nekdo funkcni ;) zatim az na profi zarizeni Ryse nic neni. takze podle me by se dalo vychazet z tohoto : www.pcsvet.net/prevodnik.png + pridat k tomu delic a napsat soft a je to ;) ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "-=RYS=-" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI Datum (Date): 22. 8. 2004 20:52 ================================================== > Nejak uz mi to facha, ale zatim je to ve vyvoji. > To ze tam je napsano Crusader neznamena, ze je to Crusader, uz 2 mesice je > tam jen FSO nazev. > Nekdy se sekte komunikace na UTP.....takze se odladuje soft pro HW. > Ten HW taky neni jeste doladen, chci aby to tocilo mikromechanikou na > "remote" dosmerovani jako ma SonaBeam. > Mikromechaniku na ktere je ulozen TX uz mam...krouti to 4st vlevo-vpravo a > 4st nahoru-dolu. > Jeste bych rad doostrovani a autoprepinani na radiozalohu pri poklesu > signalu na dobu delsi nez 4s. > Pak dvojite rele prepne draty od UTP na Dlink900AP+. > > Jak rikam....tohle je polotovat, ktery se musi jeste doladit. > Byla tu vsak moznost dat tam neco jako MC 68332 + 1MB RAM + 28F800 a resit > to klasikou i s upgrade firmware. > > Jeste je na cem pracovat ..... a hodne. > > Spise to mel byt takovy namet na premysleni, ze jednocipy ktere se dnes > prodavaj uz maj A/D prevodnik v sobe. > A myslim, ze 89C51 by mel leckdo zvladnout. > > Martin > > PS: Proto prosim hned na me nenadavejte, jinak se na to fakt..... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI > > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 06:13:50PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Ja tam mam Atmel T89C51AC2 . > > > Do nej jde vstup od teplotniho clanku (mereni teploty) a od RSSI . > > > K tomu je pripojen 24c16 jako informace o poslednim udaji (zalozni > pamet). > > > Ven to leze na UTP (c51 ma vlastni IP atd) a je to vyreseno tak, ze > jednou > > > za 5 minut se c51 napoji pres ftp > > > na web stranku a aktualizuje gif soubory. > > > Zaroven z c51 mam sbernici na 2-radkovy LCD (2x16) , kde se mi > zobrazujou > > > ruzne hodnoty. > > > > A mas od toho schema zapojeni a nejaky program pro ten jednocip? > > > > Cl< > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 11:59 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI > > > > > > > > > > Slozity to fakt neni. Tam maju embeded Webserver Ethernut za bratru > asi > > > 4000Kc. > > > > Z jedne strany to ma RS232 a z druhe UTP. Podobnou vec maji na > web51.hw.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 07:35:47PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > > > > > Napade me, jen jedna jedina moznost - autor zadosti mel na mysli > neco > > > > > > POUZITELNETHO, co by umoznilo kontrolovat ronji RSSI z pohodli > sveho > > > PC. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 Rys: Zadny dite asi nema radost z lizatka za vylohou, ktery je > ultra > > > > > > velky a barevny.... v tvym pripade taky bakelitovy, neprodejny. > Proste > > > > > > bud to chces zverejnit a nebo ne ! Nejni to tak slozity. Jestli to > > > > > > > > > > Slozity to fakt neni - staci uploadnout zdrojaky predmetneho > > > > > proprietarniho reseni na web ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > nechces zverejnit, tak je to tva volba a nikomu to asi nevadi, ale > pak > > > > > > je tva odpoved celkem mimo nemyslis ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nic ve zlym, du na pivo > > > > > > p0l0us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742 From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Aug 22 23:20:36 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Aug 22 23:19:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Navod na testovani In-Reply-To: <20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> References: <41263813.7060905@katka.biz> <20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1407654836.20040823002036@volny.cz> Ahoj: "Zapn?te. ?lut? sv?tlo by m?lo sv?t?t. Pokud nesv?t?, je pravd?podobn? zkrat v nap?jec?m okruhu. Pokud se tak stane, okam?it? modul odpojte od nap?jen? a prove?te kontrolu. ......... ?erven? Led nem? sv?t?t. Jestli sv?t?, tak je chyba ve vys?lac? ??sti Twisteru. Zkontrolujte zapojen? sou??stek. P??padn? vym??te po?kozen?.E ?lut? Led nem? sv?t?t. Jestli sv?t?, tak je chyba v p?ij?mac? ??sti Twisteru. Zkontrolujte zapojen? sou??stek. P??padn? vym??te po?kozen?.t ^^^^^^ ^^^^ " To je asi preklep, ne? Myslim ze tam ma byt ZELENA LED. A co se te tyce, tak jeji stav je myslim nondefined a ne "nema svitit" OndraT KK> Ahoj KK> Summary: Czech translation of Tetrapolis testing has been added KK> D?ky za p?eklad, p?idal jsem ho tam. Byly tam n?jak? pravopisn? chyby - KK> i/y a chyb?j?c? h??ky a ??rky. Ty jsem opravil, v n?kolika m?stech zm?nil KK> n?jak? slovo nebo n?co p?ipsal. Na n?kolika m?stech bylo m?sto < < KK> (< je v HTML zna?ka za??tku tagu): KK> < < KK> > > KK> & & KK> Barvi?ky se mi l?b? :) P?eklad je p?knej a je tam i v?c ne? v anglick? KK> verzi - v?imnul jsem si hlavn? t?ch 2 Twister? proti sob?. KK> http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php KK> Dopsal jsem ?esky je?t? index_cz.php KK> http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/index_cz.php KK> Cl< KK> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 04:42:43PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: >> Ahoj, >> posilam ti navod (Cj) na testovani tetrapolis. >> >> Bohuzel clovek, co se ozval ze skontroluje Aj mi to spatky neposlal, tak >> pockam, co reknes na cj verzi a pripadne skusim sehnat nekoho jinyho. >> Texty ladeni a mereni Ber jsou opsane od puvodnich, jen sem je zjednodusil. >> >> Co sem odstranil jsou caste odkazy na kernel a dalsi. Myslim, ze clovek, >> ktery bude chtit otestovat ronju a nebude vedet, co je linux bude tezko >> studovat jeho jadro jake je stable atd. Preci jenom by to asi vyslo na >> mnohem delsi dobu, nez test tetrapolis samotny. Misto toho by tam meli >> byt odkazy na knopix ci suse liveCD nebo podobne distribuce na max. 1cd, >> co si clovek stahne, spusti a bezny hw (3c509 apod..) mu pod tim bezi. V >> sestavovani distribuci se nevyznam, ale kdyzby na webu byla ke stazeni >> nejaka ?Ronji? distribuce oholena na par disket ci minicd, co se pouziva >> treba na routery, bylo by to asi uplne nejlepsi. >> >> Protoze (predpokladam) bude dochazet k vyvoji os, budou prichazet >> postupy konfigurovani i pro jine os nez linux, udelal sem odkazy na >> wikynu a tam dal jak se to pod linuxem dela. >> >> Je mi lito, ze to nedokazu anglicky spracovat sam. Napis, jestli ti ta >> CJ verze vyhovuje a jestli mam nechat doladit anglickou do stejny podoby. >> >> Pekny den >> p0l0us KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Aug 23 07:09:53 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 23 07:10:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dalkove zjisteni stav RSSI References: <373672.5381992-9539-1010107247-1093209145@email.seznam.cz> Message-ID: <000701c488d7$cea20f90$0103450a@thechosen> hehe jenze tenhle konvertor stoji asi dve kila a to fakt neee. to uz radsi neco s 555kou i za cenu mensi presnosti. a nebo nejakeho svaba treba od motoroly s A/D a seriakem a cpat to do cp rovnou jako nejaka pordna data. Glo ----------------- Tohle cely je OFFTOPIC! Muj puvodni totaz byl jestli to uz ma doma nekdo funkcni ;) zatim az na profi zarizeni Ryse nic neni. takze podle me by se dalo vychazet z tohoto : www.pcsvet.net/prevodnik.png + pridat k tomu delic a napsat soft a je to ;) From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Aug 23 07:11:55 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 23 07:12:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Navod na testovani References: <41263813.7060905@katka.biz><20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> <1407654836.20040823002036@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000d01c488d8$171d82e0$0103450a@thechosen> a co kdy zsi tam nekdo misto zelene da bilou, misto cervene modrou a miso zlute infra? co? :) Glo ------ Ahoj: "Zapn?te. ?lut? sv?tlo by m?lo sv?t?t. Pokud nesv?t?, je pravd?podobn? zkrat v nap?jec?m okruhu. Pokud se tak stane, okam?it? modul odpojte od nap?jen? a prove?te kontrolu. ......... ?erven? Led nem? sv?t?t. Jestli sv?t?, tak je chyba ve vys?lac? ??sti Twisteru. Zkontrolujte zapojen? sou??stek. P??padn? vym??te po?kozen?.E ?lut? Led nem? sv?t?t. Jestli sv?t?, tak je chyba v p?ij?mac? ??sti Twisteru. Zkontrolujte zapojen? sou??stek. P??padn? vym??te po?kozen?.t ^^^^^^ ^^^^ " To je asi preklep, ne? Myslim ze tam ma byt ZELENA LED. A co se te tyce, tak jeji stav je myslim nondefined a ne "nema svitit" OndraT KK> Ahoj KK> Summary: Czech translation of Tetrapolis testing has been added KK> D?ky za p?eklad, p?idal jsem ho tam. Byly tam n?jak? pravopisn? chyby - KK> i/y a chyb?j?c? h??ky a ??rky. Ty jsem opravil, v n?kolika m?stech zm?nil KK> n?jak? slovo nebo n?co p?ipsal. Na n?kolika m?stech bylo m?sto < < KK> (< je v HTML zna?ka za??tku tagu): KK> < < KK> > > KK> & & KK> Barvi?ky se mi l?b? :) P?eklad je p?knej a je tam i v?c ne? v anglick? KK> verzi - v?imnul jsem si hlavn? t?ch 2 Twister? proti sob?. KK> http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php KK> Dopsal jsem ?esky je?t? index_cz.php KK> http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/index_cz.php KK> Cl< KK> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 04:42:43PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: >> Ahoj, >> posilam ti navod (Cj) na testovani tetrapolis. >> >> Bohuzel clovek, co se ozval ze skontroluje Aj mi to spatky neposlal, tak >> pockam, co reknes na cj verzi a pripadne skusim sehnat nekoho jinyho. >> Texty ladeni a mereni Ber jsou opsane od puvodnich, jen sem je zjednodusil. >> >> Co sem odstranil jsou caste odkazy na kernel a dalsi. Myslim, ze clovek, >> ktery bude chtit otestovat ronju a nebude vedet, co je linux bude tezko >> studovat jeho jadro jake je stable atd. Preci jenom by to asi vyslo na >> mnohem delsi dobu, nez test tetrapolis samotny. Misto toho by tam meli >> byt odkazy na knopix ci suse liveCD nebo podobne distribuce na max. 1cd, >> co si clovek stahne, spusti a bezny hw (3c509 apod..) mu pod tim bezi. V >> sestavovani distribuci se nevyznam, ale kdyzby na webu byla ke stazeni >> nejaka ?Ronji? distribuce oholena na par disket ci minicd, co se pouziva >> treba na routery, bylo by to asi uplne nejlepsi. >> >> Protoze (predpokladam) bude dochazet k vyvoji os, budou prichazet >> postupy konfigurovani i pro jine os nez linux, udelal sem odkazy na >> wikynu a tam dal jak se to pod linuxem dela. >> >> Je mi lito, ze to nedokazu anglicky spracovat sam. Napis, jestli ti ta >> CJ verze vyhovuje a jestli mam nechat doladit anglickou do stejny podoby. >> >> Pekny den >> p0l0us KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Aug 23 07:57:26 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Aug 23 07:57:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] SKontorpovy tistaky TX In-Reply-To: <20040821185609.GA26658@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040821185609.GA26658@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1466694573.20040823085726@volny.cz> Ahoj, pozustatky mam na: http://www.volny.cz/ondrej.tesar/ronja.htm nebo primo: http://www.volny.cz/ondrej.tesar/czfreenet/pcb-bmp.zip At mas vice uspechu nez ja :-) Bacha, jsou na tom plosnaku prohozeny vyvody toho FETu v Rx. Ondra KK> Nemate nekdo prosimvas ty Skontorpovy tistaky TX vyfoceny? Zajimalo by me, jak KK> je to reseny. KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Aug 23 08:29:32 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Aug 23 08:28:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] U-AH-102 box In-Reply-To: <200408091538.06076.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <200408091538.06076.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <1168621680.20040823092932@volny.cz> Try ask this person: He can speak polish. OndraT >> ing. Jan Galuszka (0603-531605) >> FANDA elektronik s.r.o. , T?rlick? 475/22, 735 35 Horn? Such? >> Tel/fax: +420-69-6425819, mobil: +420-603-531605, E-mail: >> FANDA@ELEKTRONIKA.CZ , WEB: WWW.ELEKTRONIKA.CZ >> I?O: 62301802, DI?: 370-62301802 >> v p??pad? pobytu v Polsku a v pr?b?hu veletrhu INFOSYSTEM Poznan pou??v?m >> mobil SIMPLUS 0048-691 293000 TK> Hello, TK> The (unofficial) PCBs by Karl Jan were designed TK> to fit into U-AH-102 boxes. Could anyone TK> point me to the manufacturer of those? TK> (a retailer in Poland would be even better ;) TK> Regards, TK> Tomek Koprowski TK> _______________________________________________ TK> Ronja mailing list TK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net TK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Aug 23 08:32:31 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Aug 23 08:31:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <4117ED72.9060109@poupe.net> References: <4117ED72.9060109@poupe.net> Message-ID: <1798799893.20040823093231@volny.cz> Ahoj, myslim ze stalo a bylo to tim, ze to cele kmitalo... :-( Prenasi to data? Nebo uz jsi to vylecil? Jak? Ondra MKPN> Ahoj, MKPN> nestalo se Vam nekomu, ze by v RX vsechny merici body sedeli, jen RSSI MKPN> ma stale pres 5V a nereaguje na svetlo? :-) MKPN> Nejaky napad? MKPN> Kneza MKPN> _______________________________________________ MKPN> Ronja mailing list MKPN> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MKPN> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Mon Aug 23 08:46:43 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek - POUPE.NET) Date: Mon Aug 23 08:47:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <1798799893.20040823093231@volny.cz> References: <4117ED72.9060109@poupe.net> <1798799893.20040823093231@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4129A0E3.8010207@poupe.net> Ahoj, uz to mam vyresene. Jedno RX melo RSSI nulu a druhe furt pres 5V ;-) Co bylo tomu s 5V moc dobre nevim .. proste jsem to vzal... soucastky nacpal do jinsich poloh... troshku to proste prepolohoval, myslim ze jsem i menil tranzistor (asi zbytecne) a jede to skvele. To co melo na diode nulu tak to jsem si pri bastleni po xx hodinach spletl zapojeni diody a zapojil ji jinam ;o) po oprave opet jede skvele Kneza Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj, > myslim ze stalo a bylo to tim, ze to cele kmitalo... :-( > > Prenasi to data? > Nebo uz jsi to vylecil? Jak? > > Ondra > > MKPN> Ahoj, > MKPN> nestalo se Vam nekomu, ze by v RX vsechny merici body sedeli, jen RSSI > MKPN> ma stale pres 5V a nereaguje na svetlo? :-) > MKPN> Nejaky napad? > MKPN> Kneza > From klapek at kki.net.pl Mon Aug 23 08:56:32 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Mon Aug 23 08:52:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] U-AH-102 box In-Reply-To: <1168621680.20040823092932@volny.cz> References: <200408091538.06076.klapek@kki.net.pl> <1168621680.20040823092932@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200408230956.32933.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Monday 23 of August 2004 09:29, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Try ask this person: > He can speak polish. Thanx, unfortunately I have already ordered other boxes. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From polous at katka.biz Mon Aug 23 13:11:50 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Aug 23 10:09:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Navod na testovani In-Reply-To: <000d01c488d8$171d82e0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <41263813.7060905@katka.biz><20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> <1407654836.20040823002036@volny.cz> <000d01c488d8$171d82e0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <4129DF06.7050206@katka.biz> 2Malusek: pokud to neudelas podle navodu, nemuzes to podle navodu testovat... muzes si navod upravit podle sveho. 2OndraT: Mas pravdu, je tam chyba - Ma tam byt ZELENA. V teto casti se testuje jeste bez pripojenych modulu. Pokud je za teto situace mozne aby zelene poblikavala, je potreba tuto vetu vyskrtnout. Mne to twister delal jen s modulama, coz je v dalsim bode testu popsano. Pokud mate nekdo jeste jiny symptom pri testovani, ktery pomuze upresnit soucastku/misto mozne chyby, nebojte se a poslete to sem. ;-) p0l0us Michal Mal??ek wrote: >a co kdy zsi tam nekdo misto zelene da bilou, misto cervene modrou a miso >zlute infra? co? :) > >Glo > >------ > > >Ahoj: > >"Zapn?te. ?lut? sv?tlo by m?lo sv?t?t. Pokud nesv?t?, je pravd?podobn? >zkrat v nap?jec?m okruhu. Pokud se tak stane, okam?it? modul odpojte >od nap?jen? a prove?te kontrolu. >......... >?erven? Led nem? sv?t?t. Jestli sv?t?, tak je chyba ve vys?lac? ??sti >Twisteru. Zkontrolujte zapojen? sou??stek. P??padn? vym??te po?kozen?.E >?lut? Led nem? sv?t?t. Jestli sv?t?, tak je chyba v p?ij?mac? ??sti >Twisteru. Zkontrolujte zapojen? sou??stek. P??padn? vym??te po?kozen?.t >^^^^^^ ^^^^ >" >To je asi preklep, ne? Myslim ze tam ma byt ZELENA LED. >A co se te tyce, tak jeji stav je myslim nondefined a ne "nema svitit" > >OndraT > >KK> Ahoj > >KK> Summary: Czech translation of Tetrapolis testing has been added > >KK> D?ky za p?eklad, p?idal jsem ho tam. Byly tam n?jak? pravopisn? chyby - >KK> i/y a chyb?j?c? h??ky a ??rky. Ty jsem opravil, v n?kolika m?stech >zm?nil >KK> n?jak? slovo nebo n?co p?ipsal. Na n?kolika m?stech bylo m?sto < < >KK> (< je v HTML zna?ka za??tku tagu): > >KK> < < >KK> > > >KK> & & > >KK> Barvi?ky se mi l?b? :) P?eklad je p?knej a je tam i v?c ne? v anglick? >KK> verzi - v?imnul jsem si hlavn? t?ch 2 Twister? proti sob?. > >KK> http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/testing_cz.php > >KK> Dopsal jsem ?esky je?t? index_cz.php >KK> http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/index_cz.php > >KK> Cl< > >KK> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 04:42:43PM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > > >>>Ahoj, >>>posilam ti navod (Cj) na testovani tetrapolis. >>> >>>Bohuzel clovek, co se ozval ze skontroluje Aj mi to spatky neposlal, tak >>>pockam, co reknes na cj verzi a pripadne skusim sehnat nekoho jinyho. >>>Texty ladeni a mereni Ber jsou opsane od puvodnich, jen sem je >>> >>> >zjednodusil. > > >>>Co sem odstranil jsou caste odkazy na kernel a dalsi. Myslim, ze clovek, >>>ktery bude chtit otestovat ronju a nebude vedet, co je linux bude tezko >>>studovat jeho jadro jake je stable atd. Preci jenom by to asi vyslo na >>>mnohem delsi dobu, nez test tetrapolis samotny. Misto toho by tam meli >>>byt odkazy na knopix ci suse liveCD nebo podobne distribuce na max. 1cd, >>>co si clovek stahne, spusti a bezny hw (3c509 apod..) mu pod tim bezi. V >>>sestavovani distribuci se nevyznam, ale kdyzby na webu byla ke stazeni >>>nejaka ?Ronji? distribuce oholena na par disket ci minicd, co se pouziva >>>treba na routery, bylo by to asi uplne nejlepsi. >>> >>>Protoze (predpokladam) bude dochazet k vyvoji os, budou prichazet >>>postupy konfigurovani i pro jine os nez linux, udelal sem odkazy na >>>wikynu a tam dal jak se to pod linuxem dela. >>> >>>Je mi lito, ze to nedokazu anglicky spracovat sam. Napis, jestli ti ta >>>CJ verze vyhovuje a jestli mam nechat doladit anglickou do stejny podoby. >>> >>>Pekny den >>>p0l0us >>> >>> > > > >KK> _______________________________________________ >KK> Ronja mailing list >KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 23 11:46:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 23 11:47:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: dotaz In-Reply-To: <008e01c488fa$cfbeb540$1e01a8c0@mikescomp.cz> References: <001901c48892$e4fcec00$1e01a8c0@mikescomp.cz> <20040822222124.GC16832@beton.cybernet.src> <003201c488d8$77107fe0$1e01a8c0@mikescomp.cz> <20040823070656.GA8861@beton.cybernet.src> <006901c488e1$c489c980$1e01a8c0@mikescomp.cz> <20040823075401.GB12679@beton.cybernet.src> <008e01c488fa$cfbeb540$1e01a8c0@mikescomp.cz> Message-ID: <20040823104626.GA16097@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 12:20:27PM +0200, Michal Najman wrote: > dobry den jeste jednou, pravejsem se vratil z nakupu soucastek... > > ohledne NE592_DIL14 musi to byt s tim dovetkem DIL14? Ano musi. > dale nemam > BF908, BPW43 a vysilaci diodu...... > kde jste, prosim, kupoval hlavne tu vysilaci diodu vy? Vysilaci dioda se sezene pres nejaky lidi co si koupili stangli - uz se maloobchodne neprodavaj. Viz odkaz "where to get necessary parts" primo na titulni strane projektu. Cl< From klapek at kki.net.pl Mon Aug 23 11:51:41 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Mon Aug 23 11:47:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testing.php: BER calculation Message-ID: <200408231251.41621.klapek@kki.net.pl> Hello, In testing.php the BER calculation is as follows: send max length pings and divide packetloss by framesize in bits. When we are sending pings we may not get a reply either if the echo request got lost (ie. go a bit flipped) or echo reply got lost. Echo reply is of the same length as echo request. Shouldn't the BER be calculated as packetloss divided by _double_ the frame length in bits? Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 23 11:48:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 23 11:49:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Navod na testovani In-Reply-To: <1407654836.20040823002036@volny.cz> References: <41263813.7060905@katka.biz> <20040820201326.GB2428@beton.cybernet.src> <1407654836.20040823002036@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040823104823.GA16109@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 12:20:36AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj: > > "Zapn?te. ?lut? sv?tlo by m?lo sv?t?t. Pokud nesv?t?, je pravd?podobn? > zkrat v nap?jec?m okruhu. Pokud se tak stane, okam?it? modul odpojte > od nap?jen? a prove?te kontrolu. > ......... > ?erven? Led nem? sv?t?t. Jestli sv?t?, tak je chyba ve vys?lac? ??sti Twisteru. Zkontrolujte zapojen? sou??stek. P??padn? vym??te po?kozen?.E > ?lut? Led nem? sv?t?t. Jestli sv?t?, tak je chyba v p?ij?mac? ??sti Twisteru. Zkontrolujte zapojen? sou??stek. P??padn? vym??te po?kozen?.t > ^^^^^^ ^^^^ > " > To je asi preklep, ne? Myslim ze tam ma byt ZELENA LED. > A co se te tyce, tak jeji stav je myslim nondefined a ne "nema svitit" Fixed, vetu jsem smazal. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 23 11:50:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 23 11:51:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testing.php: BER calculation In-Reply-To: <200408231251.41621.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <200408231251.41621.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040823105056.GB16109@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 12:51:41PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > Hello, > In testing.php the BER calculation is as follows: send > max length pings and divide packetloss by framesize > in bits. When we are sending pings we may not get a > reply either if the echo request got lost (ie. go a > bit flipped) or echo reply got lost. Echo reply is of > the same length as echo request. Shouldn't the BER > be calculated as packetloss divided by _double_ the > frame length in bits? In case one direction is more stable than the other, the packetlosses will very significantly differ. And that's the most common case I think. So that your method works only with very low probability and the current in the rest of cases. Best is of course measuring only one direction however a special software would have to be written for this. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 23 11:56:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 23 11:57:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Navod na testovanir In-Reply-To: <4129DF06.7050206@katka.biz> References: <1407654836.20040823002036@volny.cz> <000d01c488d8$171d82e0$0103450a@thechosen> <4129DF06.7050206@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040823105654.GC16109@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 11:11:50AM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > 2Malusek: pokud to neudelas podle navodu, nemuzes to podle navodu > testovat... muzes si navod upravit podle sveho. > > 2OndraT: Mas pravdu, je tam chyba - Ma tam byt ZELENA. V teto casti se > testuje jeste bez pripojenych modulu. Pokud je za teto situace mozne aby > zelene poblikavala, je potreba tuto vetu vyskrtnout. Mne to twister > delal jen s modulama, coz je v dalsim bode testu popsano. Prave jsem provedl reverseengineering Twistera a vyslo ze kdyz tam nic nebude na vstupu RX, zelena svitit nebude. Takze jsem to jako debil smazal zbytecne ;-) Dal jsem to zpatky a zlutou prepsal na zelenou. Cl< From klapek at kki.net.pl Mon Aug 23 12:14:59 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Mon Aug 23 12:11:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] testing.php: BER calculation In-Reply-To: <20040823105056.GB16109@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200408231251.41621.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20040823105056.GB16109@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200408231314.59506.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Monday 23 of August 2004 12:50, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > In case one direction is more stable than the other, the packetlosses will > very significantly differ. And that's the most common case I think. So > that your method works only with very low probability and the current in > the rest of cases. Thanks for the explanation. Seems like you're more concerned about a single RX/TX pair while I wanted to measure to whole link. > Best is of course measuring only one direction however a special software > would have to be written for this. One way to do it, is to send a predefined number of pings and then look at the tcpdump stats on the other machine. Of course there should be no other traffic on the link during the test. BTW: That's the method I'm using right now for testing a combination: TX_pcb from Karl Jan, RX_airwire (2 years old schematic) and my Simplicity. I run down from >1000mV RSSI downto 0.5mV at the moment and the damn thing still didn't drop a single packet ;) and I wan't it to do so, so that I could plot BER vs RSSI curve. Now i know it's gonna be a knee-looking one. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From remet at remet.cz Mon Aug 23 12:43:31 2004 From: remet at remet.cz (REMET) Date: Mon Aug 23 12:44:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cena Rondjy Twister ? References: <20040822031152.33AAF19A15C@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: <006801c48906$70b70c30$01fda8c0@anezka> Mno ja mam komplet spoj (1 par) za kompletni elektroniku, PCB, zdroje, krabicky, konektory za 7600Kc chybi mi pouze mechanicka cast a to se uvidi. Ale beru jenom lepsi soucastky a krabicky kupuju (jinych rozmeru nez dle clocka - jsou drazsi). Pokud jich budu delat vic, jako ze budu delat jeste asi 5 paru, tak cena bude tak 6500Kc, jelikoz v mnostvi je sleva. Vetsinu nakupuju z GESu postou (jsem prilis sexy na to stat v obchode frontu) a co nemaji tak v GME. REMET ----- Original Message ----- From: Petr Neumann To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 5:11 AM Subject: [Ronja] Cena Rondjy Twister ? ?audy Zaj?maly by m? ceny za kter? se d? postavit Ronja Twister ? A ur?it? by to zaj?malo i ostatn? :) Tak jsem napsal takovou malou kalkulaci :) Pros?m o dopln?n? cen :) D?k moc Cena Ronjy Jedna strana Cel? komplet Ronjy Twister Ob? strany Ronja Twister ti?t?k 125.- x2 250.- Krabi?ky 80.- x2 160.- D? se u?et?it a postavit svoj? Elektr. Sou??stky ? .- x2 ?.- RX elektr. Sou??stky ?.- x2 ?.- Pokud existuje Plo?. ?.- a kde se d? sehnat x2 ?.- TX elektr. Sou??stky ?.- x2 ?.- Pokud existuje Plo?. ?.- -ll- x2 ?.- Plecha?ina ?.- x4 ?.- Ostatn? materi?l ?.- Silikon, Barva, ?roubky atd.. Ale to u? nen? podstatn? :) D?k moc Pulytr ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040823/d75b3ab7/attachment.htm From kuna at alphanet.sk Mon Aug 23 17:17:39 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Mon Aug 23 17:17:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja gunnove didy Message-ID: <000f01c36999$579fa960$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> kupim gunnove diody VCG 203,233,234 alebo AA716B ,726D,726B ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040823/cb2963ff/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 23 17:54:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 23 17:55:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja gunnove didy In-Reply-To: <000f01c36999$579fa960$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> References: <000f01c36999$579fa960$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <20040823165432.GA17462@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 07:09:40PM +0200, miro wrote: > kupim gunnove diody VCG 203,233,234 alebo AA716B ,726D,726B Hm to je offtopic a mas jeste cas o rok zpatky nastaveny na pocitaci. Cl< > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Mon Aug 23 18:05:42 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Mon Aug 23 18:06:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister Message-ID: <20040823170109.M47551@kihu.info> Zdar. Posilam fotku toho nefachajiciho Twistera, jak chtel Clock. http://www.sweb. cz/agaga/back.jpg ROOTen From kuna at alphanet.sk Mon Aug 23 18:58:40 2004 From: kuna at alphanet.sk (miro) Date: Mon Aug 23 18:06:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja gunnove didy References: <000f01c36999$579fa960$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> Message-ID: <002201c4893a$d359c240$3700a8c0@alphanet.sk> ----- Original Message ----- From: miro To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: [Ronja] ronja gunnove didy kupim gunnove diody VCG 203,233,234 alebo AA716B ,726D,726B ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040823/77784dd5/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 23 18:10:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 23 18:10:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <20040823170109.M47551@kihu.info> References: <20040823170109.M47551@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040823171015.GA18293@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:05:42PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > Zdar. > Posilam fotku toho nefachajiciho Twistera, jak chtel Clock. http://www.sweb. > cz/agaga/back.jpg Hm tak to je bohuzel tak spatna kvalita ze nejsou videt zadne detaily. Cl< > > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Mon Aug 23 18:19:55 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Mon Aug 23 18:22:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <20040823171015.GA18293@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040823170109.M47551@kihu.info> <20040823171015.GA18293@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040823171518.M19884@kihu.info> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:10:15 +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote > On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:05:42PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > > Zdar. > > Posilam fotku toho nefachajiciho Twistera, jak chtel Clock. http://www. sweb. > > cz/agaga/back.jpg > > Hm tak to je bohuzel tak spatna kvalita ze nejsou videt zadne detaily. > > Cl< > > > > ROOTen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja lepsi? 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Jm?no: back.jpg Typ: image/jpeg Velikost: 1607659 bytes Popis: [??dn? popis nen? k dispozici] Url : http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040823/e10d8c07/back-0001.jpg From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 23 18:46:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 23 18:46:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <20040823171518.M19884@kihu.info> References: <20040823170109.M47551@kihu.info> <20040823171015.GA18293@beton.cybernet.src> <20040823171518.M19884@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:19:55PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:10:15 +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:05:42PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > > > Zdar. > > > Posilam fotku toho nefachajiciho Twistera, jak chtel Clock. http://www. > sweb. > > > cz/agaga/back.jpg > > > > Hm tak to je bohuzel tak spatna kvalita ze nejsou videt zadne detaily. > > > > Cl< > > > > > > ROOTen > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > lepsi? > > ROOTen Nektere spoje vypadaji ze jsou spatne sletovane. Zkuste je proletovat znova poradne jestli to nezacne chodit. Cl< > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Aug 23 18:56:50 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Aug 23 18:57:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister References: <20040823170109.M47551@kihu.info><20040823171015.GA18293@beton.cybernet.src><20040823171518.M19884@kihu.info> <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004b01c4893a$91169020$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> propajet, omyt tu kalafunu, podivat se na zkraty, ... jestli je ale nekde blbej prokov, tak to zahod a vem jinej tistak :-) samozrejme, pokud na to neprijdes, kterej ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister > On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:19:55PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:10:15 +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:05:42PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > > > > Zdar. > > > > Posilam fotku toho nefachajiciho Twistera, jak chtel Clock. http://www. > > sweb. > > > > cz/agaga/back.jpg > > > > > > Hm tak to je bohuzel tak spatna kvalita ze nejsou videt zadne detaily. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > ROOTen > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > lepsi? > > > > ROOTen > > Nektere spoje vypadaji ze jsou spatne sletovane. Zkuste je proletovat > znova poradne jestli to nezacne chodit. > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 23 19:06:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 23 19:07:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <004b01c4893a$91169020$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src> <004b01c4893a$91169020$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:56:50PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > propajet, omyt tu kalafunu, podivat se na zkraty, ... > jestli je ale nekde blbej prokov, tak to zahod a vem jinej tistak :-) Blbej prokov muze taky bejt? Stalo se to uz nekomu? Cl< > samozrejme, pokud na to neprijdes, kterej ... > > Cipis From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Mon Aug 23 19:49:44 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Mon Aug 23 19:50:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src> <004b01c4893a$91169020$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info> :(( tak mam takovej pocit, ze to zahodim a udelam novej, celkem me to stve. Kdyby se na to nekdo kouknul osobne, byl bych moc rad. ROOTen From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Aug 23 20:22:44 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Aug 23 20:23:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src><004b01c4893a$91169020$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002101c48946$91443960$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> jasne, vsechno muze b?t blb? je to vubec ta nejhors? z?vada (prokov vypad? dobre z obou stran, ale nevede :-( ), druh? nejhors? je vlasov? prerusen? spoje zkraty se vetsinou najdou, a kdyz ne, tak to jist? zdroj z PC, ten ten zkrat prop?l? :-) doporucuju aspon okem prohl?dnout tist?k pred osazen?m (ikdyz to uz udelali ve v?robe) a treba zmerit mer?kem, zda nen? slus na nap?jen? jinak ty dva twistery co jsem si osadil, tak jsou v pohode ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister > On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:56:50PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > propajet, omyt tu kalafunu, podivat se na zkraty, ... > > jestli je ale nekde blbej prokov, tak to zahod a vem jinej tistak :-) > > Blbej prokov muze taky bejt? Stalo se to uz nekomu? > > Cl< > > samozrejme, pokud na to neprijdes, kterej ... > > > > Cipis > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Aug 23 20:23:05 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Aug 23 20:23:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src><004b01c4893a$91169020$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> <20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info> Message-ID: <002701c48946$9d69f720$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> odkud jsi? Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "petr.dvorak" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister > :(( tak mam takovej pocit, ze to zahodim a udelam novej, celkem me to stve. > Kdyby se na to nekdo kouknul osobne, byl bych moc rad. > > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Aug 23 20:56:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Aug 23 20:56:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <002101c48946$91443960$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> <002101c48946$91443960$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040823195601.GA18759@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 09:22:44PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > jasne, vsechno muze b?t blb? > je to vubec ta nejhors? z?vada (prokov vypad? dobre z obou stran, ale nevede > :-( ), druh? nejhors? je vlasov? prerusen? spoje > zkraty se vetsinou najdou, a kdyz ne, tak to jist? zdroj z PC, ten ten zkrat > prop?l? :-) > doporucuju aspon okem prohl?dnout tist?k pred osazen?m (ikdyz to uz udelali > ve v?robe) a treba zmerit mer?kem, zda nen? slus na nap?jen? No tak promerit slusmetrem vsechny prokovy (jako ze jich je tam jak nasrano ;-) ) jestli vsechny vedou, ne? Jde o to jestli je ten tistak testovanej. Opticky testing ovsem vadny prokov neodhali. No - Knezourkovy byly testovany udajne elektricky. Cl< > > jinak ty dva twistery co jsem si osadil, tak jsou v pohode ... > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:56:50PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > > propajet, omyt tu kalafunu, podivat se na zkraty, ... > > > jestli je ale nekde blbej prokov, tak to zahod a vem jinej tistak :-) > > > > Blbej prokov muze taky bejt? Stalo se to uz nekomu? > > > > Cl< > > > samozrejme, pokud na to neprijdes, kterej ... > > > > > > Cipis > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From iproject at iproject.com.br Mon Aug 23 22:13:20 2004 From: iproject at iproject.com.br (Project I.T. & Network) Date: Mon Aug 23 22:12:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] About iProject - A Internet Social Project In-Reply-To: <20040823172943.D24B36F807F@buzius.onda.com.br> References: <20040823172943.D24B36F807F@buzius.onda.com.br> Message-ID: <1093295600.412a5df093324@webmail.onda.com.br> Hi Karel and all! I?m just tried a lot of dispositives to connect the peoples (colleges, villages, internet free point) to the internet! But I?ve the same problem! Cost of equipments (radio, licenses, etc)....the sustainbility model using this equipments its impossible....but using Ronja is possible! I?m need the support of the ronja?s community! Tk?s a lot! Alan (forgive my english) Citando ronja-request@lists.pointless.net: | Send Ronja mailing list submissions to | ronja@lists.pointless.net | | To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit | http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja | or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to | ronja-request@lists.pointless.net | | You can reach the person managing the list at | ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net | | When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific | than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." | ---------------------------------------------------------------- Mensagem Enviada utilizando o Onda Mail. http://www.onda.com.br Onda Provedor de Servicos S/A From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Aug 23 22:25:03 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Aug 23 22:25:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister References: <20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src><002101c48946$91443960$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040823195601.GA18759@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001b01c48957$a79c1280$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> hmm, a co kdyz bude blbej tak, ze kdyz je hrotama stisknes, tak povedou a kdyz povol?s, tak nepovedou? :-) mysl?m, ze pri cene desky to nem? cenu preh?net proste na to hod?m oko, jestli je to v por?dku, kdyz se mi nebude neco zd?t, tak na to mrknu dukladneji kdyz ten twister nejede, tak proj?t souc?stky (dle n?vodu) a p?jen? spoje kdyz to nezabere, tak holt osciloskop a tak anebo vyhodit a osadit jinej Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister > > No tak promerit slusmetrem vsechny prokovy (jako ze jich je tam jak > nasrano ;-) ) jestli vsechny vedou, ne? > > Jde o to jestli je ten tistak testovanej. Opticky testing ovsem vadny prokov > neodhali. No - Knezourkovy byly testovany udajne elektricky. > > Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Aug 23 22:28:24 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Aug 23 22:29:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info> References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src> <20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> <20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info> Message-ID: <200408232328.24618.ladmanj@volny.cz> Podle ty fotky, je to samej studenak. Proc se do toho s*rou ti, kdoz neumi obstojne pajet nechapu. Jakub On Monday 23 August 2004 20:49, petr.dvorak wrote: > :(( tak mam takovej pocit, ze to zahodim a udelam novej, celkem me to stve. > > Kdyby se na to nekdo kouknul osobne, byl bych moc rad. > > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Tue Aug 24 06:22:29 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Tue Aug 24 06:23:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A8CD@vestex01.vest.corp> Protoze ronja je navrhovana i pro takove lidi. Protoze chteji cenove dostupny bezdratovy spoj. Protoze neznaji nikoho, kdo by to za ne spajel. Myslis, ze by bylo lepsi je od stavby odradit? Nebo je lepsi rict jim Mas tam studenak - oprav si to? Treba se pri tom aspon nauci obstojne pajet :-) -- Kosac > Podle ty fotky, je to samej studenak. > Proc se do toho s*rou ti, kdoz neumi obstojne pajet nechapu. > Jakub > > On Monday 23 August 2004 20:49, petr.dvorak wrote: > > :(( tak mam takovej pocit, ze to zahodim a udelam novej, > celkem me to stve. > > > > Kdyby se na to nekdo kouknul osobne, byl bych moc rad. > > > > ROOTen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Tue Aug 24 07:16:28 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Tue Aug 24 07:17:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <002701c48946$9d69f720$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src><004b01c4893a$91169020$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> <20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info> <002701c48946$9d69f720$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040824061558.M27032@kihu.info> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:23:05 +0200, Cipis wrote > odkud jsi? > > Cipis Praha, ty by ses na to kouknul? ROOTen From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Tue Aug 24 07:25:12 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Tue Aug 24 07:25:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <200408232328.24618.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src> <20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> <20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info> <200408232328.24618.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040824062339.M74062@kihu.info> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:28:24 +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote > Podle ty fotky, je to samej studenak. > Proc se do toho s*rou ti, kdoz neumi obstojne pajet nechapu. > Jakub Jenom tak pro informaci, me je 16 let a nemam zadne elektrotechnicke vzdelani. .. zvladl byste to Vy ve svych 16-ti letech? ROOTen From hodza at czfree-ol.net Tue Aug 24 08:21:21 2004 From: hodza at czfree-ol.net (Milan Kozak) Date: Tue Aug 24 08:14:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <200408240633.IAA39456@raven.upol.cz> References: <200408240633.IAA39456@raven.upol.cz> Message-ID: <1037.158.194.161.13.1093332081.squirrel@158.194.161.13> > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:16:28 +0200 > From: "petr.dvorak" > Subject: Re: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <20040824061558.M27032@kihu.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 > > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:23:05 +0200, Cipis wrote >> odkud jsi? >> >> Cipis > Praha, ty by ses na to kouknul? > > ROOTen Pokud chces zasponzorovat ceskou postu, tak mi to posli do Olomouce a ja ti to propajim a zkontroluju... Blizssi info po emailu /Hodza@CzFree-Ol.Net/ nebo icq /55480726/ From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Aug 24 10:10:28 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Aug 24 10:10:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src><20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src><20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info><200408232328.24618.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040824062339.M74062@kihu.info> Message-ID: <03d701c489ba$3c680970$fd02a8c0@diablo> Ja jsme letoval uz ve svych 10ti letech ;-) Ale pak dlouho ne... Bylo by dobre si odzkouset letovat treba na dratkach na stole... Zkusit sletovat si je trosku k sobe (vyrobit treba domecek apod..... Pak koupit v krame ty derovane tistaky a zkusit si tam zaletovat nekolik opravdu velmi levnych odporu a pak teprv zkusit twistera. To by se mohlo dat do navodu na twibright ;-) Jak se uplny zacatecnik nauci aspon trosku letovat.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "petr.dvorak" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:28:24 +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote > > Podle ty fotky, je to samej studenak. > > Proc se do toho s*rou ti, kdoz neumi obstojne pajet nechapu. > > Jakub > > Jenom tak pro informaci, me je 16 let a nemam zadne elektrotechnicke vzdelani. > .. zvladl byste to Vy ve svych 16-ti letech? > > ROOTen > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.849 (20040823) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Tue Aug 24 10:33:12 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Tue Aug 24 10:33:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <03d701c489ba$3c680970$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src><20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src><20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info><200408232328.24618.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040824062339.M74062@kihu.info> <03d701c489ba$3c680970$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040824093231.M5015@kihu.info> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:10:28 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote > Ja jsme letoval uz ve svych 10ti letech ;-) Ale pak dlouho ne... > Bylo by dobre si odzkouset letovat treba na dratkach na stole... > Zkusit sletovat si je trosku k sobe (vyrobit treba domecek apod..... > Pak koupit v krame ty derovane tistaky a zkusit si tam zaletovat nekolik > opravdu velmi levnych odporu a pak teprv zkusit twistera. > To by se mohlo dat do navodu na twibright ;-) Jak se uplny > zacatecnik nauci aspon trosku letovat.... Sakra, neletuju snad tak spatne, ne? Nebo snad jo?!! ROOTen From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 24 10:52:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 10:52:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A8CD@vestex01.vest.corp> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A8CD@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20040824095219.GB10902@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 07:22:29AM +0200, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > > Protoze ronja je navrhovana i pro takove lidi. > Protoze chteji cenove dostupny bezdratovy spoj. > Protoze neznaji nikoho, kdo by to za ne spajel. > > Myslis, ze by bylo lepsi je od stavby odradit? > Nebo je lepsi rict jim Mas tam studenak - oprav si to? > Treba se pri tom aspon nauci obstojne pajet :-) Je to v navodu dostatecne jasne recenou jakym zpusobem se ma pajet? Nebo mam to tam nejak jeste bliz specifikovat? Cl< > -- > Kosac > > > > Podle ty fotky, je to samej studenak. > > Proc se do toho s*rou ti, kdoz neumi obstojne pajet nechapu. > > Jakub > > > > On Monday 23 August 2004 20:49, petr.dvorak wrote: > > > :(( tak mam takovej pocit, ze to zahodim a udelam novej, > > celkem me to stve. > > > > > > Kdyby se na to nekdo kouknul osobne, byl bych moc rad. > > > > > > ROOTen > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 24 10:56:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 10:56:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <03d701c489ba$3c680970$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040824062339.M74062@kihu.info> <03d701c489ba$3c680970$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040824095607.GC10902@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 11:10:28AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Ja jsme letoval uz ve svych 10ti letech ;-) Ale pak dlouho ne... > Bylo by dobre si odzkouset letovat treba na dratkach na stole... > Zkusit sletovat si je trosku k sobe (vyrobit treba domecek apod..... > Pak koupit v krame ty derovane tistaky a zkusit si tam zaletovat nekolik > opravdu velmi levnych odporu a pak teprv zkusit twistera. > To by se mohlo dat do navodu na twibright ;-) Jak se uplny zacatecnik nauci > aspon trosku letovat.... Tam ty obrazky jak vypada dobry a spatny spoj nejsou dostatecne? Myslite ze bych tam mel pridat ze "sletovavejte kousky dratu dohromady do ruznych tvaru co vas napadne dokud nebudete delat spoje tak pekne jako jsou na obrazku"? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 24 10:56:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 10:57:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <20040824093231.M5015@kihu.info> References: <20040824062339.M74062@kihu.info> <03d701c489ba$3c680970$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040824093231.M5015@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040824095654.GD10902@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 11:33:12AM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:10:28 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote > > Ja jsme letoval uz ve svych 10ti letech ;-) Ale pak dlouho ne... > > Bylo by dobre si odzkouset letovat treba na dratkach na stole... > > Zkusit sletovat si je trosku k sobe (vyrobit treba domecek apod..... > > Pak koupit v krame ty derovane tistaky a zkusit si tam zaletovat nekolik > > opravdu velmi levnych odporu a pak teprv zkusit twistera. > > To by se mohlo dat do navodu na twibright ;-) Jak se uplny > > zacatecnik nauci aspon trosku letovat.... > > Sakra, neletuju snad tak spatne, ne? Nebo snad jo?!! Jako uplne nejhorsi to neni, ale jestli to nechodi, tak to bude asi tim sletovanim. Jinejm lidem to chodi na prvni pokus. Nevim fakt co by v tom mohlo bejt blbe. Je to elektricky testovany ten tistak? Cl< From polous at katka.biz Tue Aug 24 13:23:34 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Aug 24 11:03:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info> References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src> <004b01c4893a$91169020$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> <20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info> Message-ID: <412B3346.1030705@katka.biz> Vetsina z vas vi .. pac ja vim od vas :)) Jestli je spatnej nakej prokov, taky pomohlo (castecne i v pripade studenaku) kdyzbys pripajel soucastky z obou stran DPSka .. delal sem to tak u plosnaku, kde nebyly prokovy vubec. Kalafunu radsi pridej Dobre je, rozustit kalafunu v propyl-alkoholu a injekcni strikackou s jehlou to nanaset pred pajenim na DPs. K cisteni pozivam propyl-alkohol, kartacek na zuby (bez pasty), kapesnicek ci hajzlpejpr p0l0us petr.dvorak wrote: >:(( tak mam takovej pocit, ze to zahodim a udelam novej, celkem me to stve. >Kdyby se na to nekdo kouknul osobne, byl bych moc rad. > >ROOTen > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Tue Aug 24 11:04:17 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Tue Aug 24 11:04:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <20040824095219.GB10902@beton.cybernet.src> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A8CD@vestex01.vest.corp> <20040824095219.GB10902@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040824100323.M57628@kihu.info> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:52:19 +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote > Je to v navodu dostatecne jasne recenou jakym zpusobem se ma pajet? > Nebo mam to tam nejak jeste bliz specifikovat? > > Cl< No, mozna trochu vic by to chtelo... ROOTen From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Aug 24 11:08:59 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Aug 24 11:09:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister References: <20040824062339.M74062@kihu.info><03d701c489ba$3c680970$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040824095607.GC10902@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <03f501c489c2$60b01630$fd02a8c0@diablo> Jde spis o to, ze clovek, ktery s tim nema zkusennosti, nepozna studeny spoj.... On si mysli, ze to udelal pekne, dokonce to vypada vse i pekne, ale studenak treba nepozna...... Mozna tam pripsat, jak vypada studenak a jak lze poznat. Sam jsem taky studenak udelal a to uz nejakou tu dobu letuju ::((((( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 11:10:28AM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Ja jsme letoval uz ve svych 10ti letech ;-) Ale pak dlouho ne... > > Bylo by dobre si odzkouset letovat treba na dratkach na stole... > > Zkusit sletovat si je trosku k sobe (vyrobit treba domecek apod..... > > Pak koupit v krame ty derovane tistaky a zkusit si tam zaletovat nekolik > > opravdu velmi levnych odporu a pak teprv zkusit twistera. > > To by se mohlo dat do navodu na twibright ;-) Jak se uplny zacatecnik nauci > > aspon trosku letovat.... > > Tam ty obrazky jak vypada dobry a spatny spoj nejsou dostatecne? Myslite ze > bych tam mel pridat ze "sletovavejte kousky dratu dohromady do ruznych tvaru co > vas napadne dokud nebudete delat spoje tak pekne jako jsou na obrazku"? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.849 (20040823) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Aug 24 11:09:32 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Aug 24 11:10:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister References: <20040824062339.M74062@kihu.info><03d701c489ba$3c680970$fd02a8c0@diablo><20040824093231.M5015@kihu.info> <20040824095654.GD10902@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <03ff01c489c2$88ebc4f0$fd02a8c0@diablo> El. testovany tistaky byli od Knezy..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 11:33:12AM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:10:28 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote > > > Ja jsme letoval uz ve svych 10ti letech ;-) Ale pak dlouho ne... > > > Bylo by dobre si odzkouset letovat treba na dratkach na stole... > > > Zkusit sletovat si je trosku k sobe (vyrobit treba domecek apod..... > > > Pak koupit v krame ty derovane tistaky a zkusit si tam zaletovat nekolik > > > opravdu velmi levnych odporu a pak teprv zkusit twistera. > > > To by se mohlo dat do navodu na twibright ;-) Jak se uplny > > > zacatecnik nauci aspon trosku letovat.... > > > > Sakra, neletuju snad tak spatne, ne? Nebo snad jo?!! > > Jako uplne nejhorsi to neni, ale jestli to nechodi, tak to bude asi tim > sletovanim. Jinejm lidem to chodi na prvni pokus. Nevim fakt co by v tom > mohlo bejt blbe. Je to elektricky testovany ten tistak? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.849 (20040823) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 24 11:10:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 11:11:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <20040824100323.M57628@kihu.info> References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A8CD@vestex01.vest.corp> <20040824095219.GB10902@beton.cybernet.src> <20040824100323.M57628@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040824101058.GB11010@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:04:17PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:52:19 +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote > > Je to v navodu dostatecne jasne recenou jakym zpusobem se ma pajet? > > Nebo mam to tam nejak jeste bliz specifikovat? > > > > Cl< > No, mozna trochu vic by to chtelo... A co konkretne tam neni dost jasne vysvetlene? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 24 11:11:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 11:12:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <03f501c489c2$60b01630$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040824095607.GC10902@beton.cybernet.src> <03f501c489c2$60b01630$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040824101121.GC11010@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:08:59PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > Jde spis o to, ze clovek, ktery s tim nema zkusennosti, nepozna studeny > spoj.... > On si mysli, ze to udelal pekne, dokonce to vypada vse i pekne, ale studenak > treba nepozna...... > Mozna tam pripsat, jak vypada studenak a jak lze poznat. A jak to poznat? Ja jsem tam dal jen fotky hezkeho a oskliveho spoje. Cl< From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Tue Aug 24 11:16:31 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Tue Aug 24 11:17:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <03f501c489c2$60b01630$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <20040824062339.M74062@kihu.info><03d701c489ba$3c680970$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040824095607.GC10902@beton.cybernet.src> <03f501c489c2$60b01630$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040824101533.M34057@kihu.info> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:08:59 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote > Jde spis o to, ze clovek, ktery s tim nema zkusennosti, nepozna studeny > spoj.... > On si mysli, ze to udelal pekne, dokonce to vypada vse i pekne, ale studenak > treba nepozna...... > Mozna tam pripsat, jak vypada studenak a jak lze poznat. > Sam jsem taky studenak udelal a to uz nejakou tu dobu letuju ::((((( Muze mi teda nekdo vysvetlit, jak vypada ten "bajny" studeny spoj? ROOTen From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Aug 24 11:34:15 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 11:35:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister References: <20040824062339.M74062@kihu.info><03d701c489ba$3c680970$fd02a8c0@diablo><20040824095607.GC10902@beton.cybernet.src><03f501c489c2$60b01630$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040824101533.M34057@kihu.info> Message-ID: <001d01c489c5$e7df4bf0$0103450a@thechosen> :) muze vypadat jako normalni dobrej :) jenze je studenej :) ne vazne. dobry spoj poznas, cin je prilnuty vsude, neni zkrystalizovany tim ze jsi ho prepalil nebo dratkem pri tuhnuti pohnul, netvori zadne kulicku ale po padu se hezky roztece a dela ladn ekrivky :) studenak pak vypada presne naopak, vetsinou, ovsem ne vzdy a uz se mi taky stalo ze to vypadalo ok ale .. :/ ovsem ne na twistrovy s novyma soucastkama a cinovanou deskou. tam snad studenak udelat ani nejde pokud to nekdo nedre na sucho bez kalafuny a neprepali cin. proste nebat se dat vic kalafuky, ta se da pak umejt propanolem. nejlepe vypadajici pajeni je asi pajeni micrpajkou s dutym hrotem kdy na padu zustane opravdu jen tolik cinu kolik je potreba. Glo > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:08:59 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote > > Jde spis o to, ze clovek, ktery s tim nema zkusennosti, nepozna studeny > > spoj.... > > On si mysli, ze to udelal pekne, dokonce to vypada vse i pekne, ale studenak > > treba nepozna...... > > Mozna tam pripsat, jak vypada studenak a jak lze poznat. > > Sam jsem taky studenak udelal a to uz nejakou tu dobu letuju ::((((( > > Muze mi teda nekdo vysvetlit, jak vypada ten "bajny" studeny spoj? > > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Tue Aug 24 11:38:56 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Tue Aug 24 11:39:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A8D9@vestex01.vest.corp> > > Je to v navodu dostatecne jasne recenou jakym zpusobem se ma pajet? > Nebo mam to tam nejak jeste bliz specifikovat? > > Cl< Myslim, ze to je vysvetlene dobre pro lidi, kteri uz nekdy v mladi pajeli. Ale pro ty, co drzi pajku poprve v zivote... Mozna by to chtelo pridat neco jako: Pokud jste v zivote nic nepajeli, naucte se to na tech dratkach, nebo si prectete www.ja_nevim_kde_muze_bejt_jak_se_spravne_paji.cz Pokud jste kdysi pajeli dejte pozor na studenaky. A pridat jeste 2-3 fotky spatnejch spoju. Ale treba je to zbytecny. Jak na to nahlizeji ostatni? -- Kosac From simandl at mujmail.cz Tue Aug 24 12:07:14 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Tue Aug 24 12:06:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <200408232328.24618.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src> <20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> <20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info> <200408232328.24618.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <412B2162.6000601@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, kdyby sis radsi odpustil tuhle primitivni poznamku, ktera mu vubec nepomuze, a radsi mu poradil, jak to spravit. Podle me je lepsi kdyz se nekdo do toho pusti i bez znalosti nez kdyby nedelal nic. Ja jsem zacinal stejne. Je to asi opravdu samej studenak ale to se da spravit tak, ze vsechny spoje co jsou sede, matne a ruzne potrhane pekne zase roztavis pajkou a s trochou kalafuny nechas cin poradne roztect a prilnout k letovanemu vyvodu a k pajeci plosce na plosnaku. Pokud je cinu malo tak pridej a pokud je tam velka bakule tak cin uber (treba odsavackou). Spravny spoj je hladky, leskly a pravidelne roztekly. Kalafunu po letovani umej propylalkoholem (ja pouzivam lih ale ten pry leze do pouzder integracu - nevim nepozoroval jsem). hodne stesti Sima Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > Podle ty fotky, je to samej studenak. > Proc se do toho s*rou ti, kdoz neumi obstojne pajet nechapu. > Jakub > > On Monday 23 August 2004 20:49, petr.dvorak wrote: > >>:(( tak mam takovej pocit, ze to zahodim a udelam novej, celkem me to stve. >>Kdyby se na to nekdo kouknul osobne, byl bych moc rad. >>ROOTen From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Aug 24 12:20:35 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Aug 24 12:20:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister References: <20040824095607.GC10902@beton.cybernet.src><03f501c489c2$60b01630$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040824101121.GC11010@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001901c489cc$6160bd00$fd02a8c0@diablo> Jak napsal Simandl. Dobry spoj je obvykle krasny stribrny a rovnomerne roztekly. Studeny spoj je hnusne sedy, nerovnomerne roztekly a netvori souvislou sikminu. Udela se ti tam treba boule..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:08:59PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > > Jde spis o to, ze clovek, ktery s tim nema zkusennosti, nepozna studeny > > spoj.... > > On si mysli, ze to udelal pekne, dokonce to vypada vse i pekne, ale studenak > > treba nepozna...... > > Mozna tam pripsat, jak vypada studenak a jak lze poznat. > > A jak to poznat? Ja jsem tam dal jen fotky hezkeho a oskliveho spoje. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > __________ Informace od NOD32 1.849 (20040823) __________ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > From pulytr at seznam.cz Tue Aug 24 16:35:39 2004 From: pulytr at seznam.cz (Petr Neumann) Date: Tue Aug 24 16:35:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ? Tistaky RX TX Message-ID: <20040824153541.BF09019D88C@relay.inway.cz> Zdravim Chtel jsem se zeptat jestli uz je funkcni a odzkousena verze toho tistaku na RX a TX od Simiho ? http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm Nebo jakej koliv jinej tistak na RX a TX na vzdalenost 1,2 Km ?! A pokud neni kde je problem vyroby tistaku ve strucnosti ?! Pokusil bych se ho nechat navrhnout za prachy pokud uz to teda nekdo nezkousel ?! 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URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040824/b8900f06/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 24 16:37:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 16:37:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <20040824101533.M34057@kihu.info> References: <20040824095607.GC10902@beton.cybernet.src> <03f501c489c2$60b01630$fd02a8c0@diablo> <20040824101533.M34057@kihu.info> Message-ID: <20040824153704.GB11342@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:16:31PM +0200, petr.dvorak wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:08:59 +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote > > Jde spis o to, ze clovek, ktery s tim nema zkusennosti, nepozna studeny > > spoj.... > > On si mysli, ze to udelal pekne, dokonce to vypada vse i pekne, ale studenak > > treba nepozna...... > > Mozna tam pripsat, jak vypada studenak a jak lze poznat. > > Sam jsem taky studenak udelal a to uz nejakou tu dobu letuju ::((((( > > Muze mi teda nekdo vysvetlit, jak vypada ten "bajny" studeny spoj? Je to kapka ktera ma uvnitr plosnou mikroskopickou prasklinu. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 24 16:39:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 16:39:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Fw: consulta In-Reply-To: <001501c489ef$9e265d80$2435a8c0@conflia.gba.gov.ar> References: <001501c489ef$9e265d80$2435a8c0@conflia.gba.gov.ar> Message-ID: <20040824153935.GC11342@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:32:49PM -0300, Digiano wrote: > Dear friends: > I write to Them to consult to them if the PCB of RONJA have the metalized > orifices. Yes. > Daniel Digiano > Argentina > P.D.: they podrian to send by mail the PCB to me of the TX, RX, and AUI of > the RONJA. Twister PCB is on http://ronja.twibright.com Official RX, TX and AUI PCB's don't exist. Cl< > From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 24 16:40:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 16:40:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ? Tistaky RX TX In-Reply-To: <20040824153541.BF09019D88C@relay.inway.cz> References: <20040824153541.BF09019D88C@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: <20040824154016.GD11342@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 05:35:39PM +0200, Petr Neumann wrote: > Zdravim > > > > Chtel jsem se zeptat jestli uz je funkcni a odzkousena verze toho tistaku na > RX a TX od Simiho ? > > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > > > > Nebo jakej koliv jinej tistak na RX a TX na vzdalenost 1,2 Km ?! > > > > A pokud neni kde je problem vyroby tistaku ve strucnosti ?! > > > > Pokusil bych se ho nechat navrhnout za prachy pokud uz to teda nekdo > nezkousel ?! Ja mam zrovna rozdelanej TX a az ho dodelam tak budu delat RX. Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Aug 24 16:53:05 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Aug 24 16:53:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src><004b01c4893a$91169020$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src><20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info><002701c48946$9d69f720$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040824061558.M27032@kihu.info> Message-ID: <001801c489f2$71fccb60$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> mrkl, ale se? mimo dosah :-( jsem z Ti?nova zkus to v?echno prop?jet nejl?pe si kup n?jak? p?jedlo, ale ne to za 1500, sp?? za 3000 a tak samoz?ejm? za p?edpokladu, ?e se tomu p?jen? chce? v?novat ?ast?ji Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "petr.dvorak" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:23:05 +0200, Cipis wrote > > odkud jsi? > > > > Cipis > Praha, ty by ses na to kouknul? > > ROOTen > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Aug 24 19:03:19 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Aug 24 19:03:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nefunkcni Twister In-Reply-To: <412B3346.1030705@katka.biz> References: <20040823174605.GB18337@beton.cybernet.src> <004b01c4893a$91169020$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040823180650.GA18614@beton.cybernet.src> <20040823184824.M39162@kihu.info> <412B3346.1030705@katka.biz> Message-ID: <1093370599.412b82e7c4f01@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Ne ze bych chtel provokovat, ale tahle chyba bude na 90procent v lidskem faktoru. Pokud je zajem budu ve ctvrtek v Praze, tak bych se na to mohl kouknout. Petr Seliger Quoting Martin Polehla : > Vetsina z vas vi .. pac ja vim od vas :)) > > Jestli je spatnej nakej prokov, taky pomohlo (castecne i v pripade > studenaku) kdyzbys pripajel soucastky z obou stran DPSka .. delal sem to > tak u plosnaku, kde nebyly prokovy vubec. > Kalafunu radsi pridej > Dobre je, rozustit kalafunu v propyl-alkoholu a injekcni strikackou s > jehlou to nanaset pred pajenim na DPs. > K cisteni pozivam propyl-alkohol, kartacek na zuby (bez pasty), > kapesnicek ci hajzlpejpr > > p0l0us > > > petr.dvorak wrote: > > >:(( tak mam takovej pocit, ze to zahodim a udelam novej, celkem me to stve. > > >Kdyby se na to nekdo kouknul osobne, byl bych moc rad. > > > >ROOTen > > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Aug 24 19:12:13 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 19:13:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak pajet Message-ID: <20040824181222Z1304449-1079+76583@mail.centrum.cz> tohle je z jedne knizky (...ja vim, autora sem se neptal, ale snad to nebude zas tak zle :) ) http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Resize%20of%20DSCN2640.JPG (ted sem to nmel csa cist, ale mozna to neco pomuze... ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040824/3db1d4ec/attachment.htm From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Aug 24 20:47:02 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Aug 24 20:45:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] OT GEDA Message-ID: <12115883793.20040824214702@volny.cz> Zdravim, nenasel by se nekdo SW zdatny, kdo by vzal posledni GEDA verzi a zkompiloval ji pro Win ? Vykon meho PC myslim nestaci na pousteni simulatoru linuxu a v nich pousteni Gedy..... Asi si to predstavuju jako Hurvinek valku, ale treba to pujde..... Diky OndraT From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Aug 24 20:52:52 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 20:53:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] OT GEDA References: <12115883793.20040824214702@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000c01c48a13$f2d789c0$0103450a@thechosen> :) tak to nikdo pro tvoje hezky oci neudela, co mas za komp ze ti nejede emulator? glo > Zdravim, > nenasel by se nekdo SW zdatny, kdo by vzal posledni GEDA verzi a > zkompiloval ji pro Win ? > > Vykon meho PC myslim nestaci na pousteni simulatoru linuxu a v nich > pousteni Gedy..... > > Asi si to predstavuju jako Hurvinek valku, ale treba to pujde..... > > > Diky OndraT > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Aug 24 21:32:03 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Aug 24 21:30:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] OT GEDA In-Reply-To: <000c01c48a13$f2d789c0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <12115883793.20040824214702@volny.cz> <000c01c48a13$f2d789c0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <7418586092.20040824223203@volny.cz> Aha, cekal jsem, ze to bude easy. :-( PII 360?MHz 64MB RAM 6GB disk a je to notebook. OndraT MM> :) tak to nikdo pro tvoje hezky oci neudela, co mas za komp ze ti nejede MM> emulator? MM> glo >> Zdravim, >> nenasel by se nekdo SW zdatny, kdo by vzal posledni GEDA verzi a >> zkompiloval ji pro Win ? >> >> Vykon meho PC myslim nestaci na pousteni simulatoru linuxu a v nich >> pousteni Gedy..... >> >> Asi si to predstavuju jako Hurvinek valku, ale treba to pujde..... >> >> >> Diky OndraT >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> MM> _______________________________________________ MM> Ronja mailing list MM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Aug 24 21:42:37 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Aug 24 21:42:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Sraz v Holicich Message-ID: <1093380157.412ba83d3c78d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Nepojede nekdo ze zde pritomne bastlirske haveti v sobotu na sraz radioamateru do Holic? From clock at twibright.com Tue Aug 24 21:48:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Aug 24 21:48:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] OT GEDA In-Reply-To: <7418586092.20040824223203@volny.cz> References: <12115883793.20040824214702@volny.cz> <000c01c48a13$f2d789c0$0103450a@thechosen> <7418586092.20040824223203@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040824204844.GB9425@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:32:03PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Aha, > cekal jsem, ze to bude easy. :-( Tak se zeptej na geda-user mailing listu http://geda.seul.org , mailing lists Cl< > > PII 360?MHz 64MB RAM 6GB disk > a je to notebook. > > OndraT > > > MM> :) tak to nikdo pro tvoje hezky oci neudela, co mas za komp ze ti nejede > MM> emulator? > > MM> glo > > > >> Zdravim, > >> nenasel by se nekdo SW zdatny, kdo by vzal posledni GEDA verzi a > >> zkompiloval ji pro Win ? > >> > >> Vykon meho PC myslim nestaci na pousteni simulatoru linuxu a v nich > >> pousteni Gedy..... > >> > >> Asi si to predstavuju jako Hurvinek valku, ale treba to pujde..... > >> > >> > >> Diky OndraT > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > MM> _______________________________________________ > MM> Ronja mailing list > MM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > MM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mixaj at mymail.cz Tue Aug 24 22:19:51 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Tue Aug 24 22:21:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak pajet References: <20040824181222Z1304449-1079+76583@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <007c01c48a20$4fc7feb0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Zitra to zkusim projet OCRkem a hodi to potom kdyztak Karel Kulhavy na WEB ;-) Lepsi by to ovsem bylo v BMPcku nez v JPG, nebo nejaka lepsi kvalitka. Mas??? Kdyztak mi to posli na mixaj@mymail.cz ----- Original Message ----- From: Jakub Michn?k To: ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: [Ronja] jak pajet tohle je z jedne knizky (...ja vim, autora sem se neptal, ale snad to nebude zas tak zle :) ) http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Resize%20of%20DSCN2640.JPG (ted sem to nmel csa cist, ale mozna to neco pomuze... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja __________ Informace od NOD32 1.849 (20040823) __________ Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. http://www.nod32.cz ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040824/000b6527/attachment.htm From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Aug 25 07:18:54 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Aug 25 07:17:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> Kde ho v Praze koupit a kolik tak radove stoji? Na jednom miste kde ted instaluju se mi spoj chova takdy dost podivne, tak bych to radsi taky poradne odstinil. Wifin je tam taky dokola dost. Nevite kde v Praze koupit UAH102 ? V GM nemaji. Diky Ondra R> Pripadne koupit specialni koax co ma 2 zily uvnitr opleteni....sam ho R> pouzivam na rotator. R> Existuje i pro 4 vodicove vedeni.... TX, RX, 12V a zem je na opleteni 50 R> ohmu. R> Prodavaj to napriklad v Elixu. R> Martin R> ----- Original Message ----- R> From: "-=RYS=-" R> To: "Twibright Ronja" R> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:11 PM R> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Problem >> Taky se mi stalo a zjistil jsem proc. >> >> Mam tam ten BF988 a experimentalne jsem si dal onehda Ronju na strechu (v >> infra) pro ruzne testy. >> A obcas mi ten fetak odesel. Zjistil jsem, ze je to vzdy kdyz si zavysilam >> na KV jako radioamater. >> Mam antenu G5RV a cpu do ni 100W PA a od kabelu RG213 (k balunu) byl Ronja >> kabel asi 3metry. >> Takze si myslim, ze se naindukovalo nejake VF napeti na Ronja kabel a bylo >> po Ronje. >> >> Edisone mam takovou teorii: >> Zkus si pri vysilani na CB vypnout zesilovac a mozna ti Ronja neodejde :)) >> >> >> 73! Martin OK1MJO on HAM / CZ4MJO on CB or Lexa Doig on >> Counter-Strike servers...... >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:51 PM >> Subject: [Ronja] Problem >> >> >> > Zdravim, >> > mam problem: >> > sundal jsem ronju, u ktere nam uz nekolikrat odesel vstupni tranzistor >> > v RX, a naposledy i NE592 (duvod mi neni jasny - staticka, rusni od >> > WiFi ?). Vymenil jsem soucastky, ale na zemi mi to nechodi na vetsi >> > vzdalenost nez 1 metr a to jeste s 9% packetlossem... Nevite nekdo cim >> > to muze byt ? >> > >> > Diky >> > >> > Edison Radotin R> _______________________________________________ R> Ronja mailing list R> Ronja@lists.pointless.net R> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Wed Aug 25 12:07:33 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Aug 25 09:04:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problem In-Reply-To: <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> Message-ID: <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> Maji je v GMe i v GESu, v PSe je nemaji. Stoji do 25,30 [bez dane] v GMe, v GESu podobne. p0l0us Ondrej Tesar wrote: >Nevite kde v Praze koupit UAH102 ? V GM nemaji. > > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Aug 25 09:14:31 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Wed Aug 25 09:14:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani In-Reply-To: <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> Message-ID: <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> Vim, ze uz to tu bylo nekolikrat, ale zatim jsem tomu nevenoval pozornost :-). Na strese uz mame nainstalovanou Ronju, od 4:00. Vysilac sel seridit zcela bezproblemove, jen prijimac dela problemy. Nastavit 1mm tecku do stredu ledky se nam uz skoro rano nepovedlo. Nema nekdo nejaky dobry napad, jak zamerovat (bez stitu...)? Kdyz uz to tam je, tak by bylo docela fajn zprovoznit to :-). Diky -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From bobriks at volny.cz Wed Aug 25 09:25:45 2004 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Wed Aug 25 09:25:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] OT GEDA In-Reply-To: <7418586092.20040824223203@volny.cz> References: <12115883793.20040824214702@volny.cz> <000c01c48a13$f2d789c0$0103450a@thechosen> <7418586092.20040824223203@volny.cz> Message-ID: <21cd50d7d2e4069ca124f4e192346bd4@www1.mail.volny.cz> > Aha, > cekal jsem, ze to bude easy. :-( > > PII 360?MHz 64MB RAM 6GB disk > a je to notebook. > > OndraT > Pokud muzes obetovat 1GB disku, tak jde snadno vedle Win nainstalovat na ten notebook Linux a do nej GEDu. Pri bootovani si akorat vyberes, jestli chces spustit Win nebo Linux. Prace s GEDou v Linuxu je jako ve Winech. Vystupy, pokud to jsou "obecne" formaty (*.ps, *.png apod.), se pak daji ulozit tak, aby byly dostupne i pod Windowsama. Instalaci Linuxu najdes na webu. Pro zacatecniky (jako ja) doporucuji http://www.mandrake.cz ;) Staci si stahnout a vypalit iso image CD1 z ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Mandrake/mandrake/iso/9.2/i586/ (670MB :(, pripadne si dojit do http://www.linuxsoft.cz/shop . Nebo pozadej nejakeho kamarada, nebo ti od 30.8. muzu nainstalovat Mandrake 9.2 bez problemu ja. Standa > > MM> :) tak to nikdo pro tvoje hezky oci neudela, co mas za komp > ze ti nejede > MM> emulator? > > MM> glo > > > >> Zdravim, > >> nenasel by se nekdo SW zdatny, kdo by vzal posledni GEDA verzi > >> a > >> zkompiloval ji pro Win ? > >> > >> Vykon meho PC myslim nestaci na pousteni simulatoru linuxu a v > >> nich > >> pousteni Gedy..... > >> > >> Asi si to predstavuju jako Hurvinek valku, ale treba to > >> pujde..... > >> > >> > >> Diky OndraT > >> -- Hrajte s n?mi o 1000 K? ka?d? den! P?ipojte se p?es VOLN? a tipujte teplotu na vybran?m m?st? v ?esk? republice. U?ijte si l?to s VOLN? na str?nk?ch http://soutez.volny.cz. From simandl at mujmail.cz Wed Aug 25 13:18:22 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Wed Aug 25 13:16:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ? Tistaky RX TX In-Reply-To: <20040824154016.GD11342@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040824153541.BF09019D88C@relay.inway.cz> <20040824154016.GD11342@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <412C838E.8090600@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, pokud vim tak zatim nikdo ty plosnaky neosadil a nerozchodil. Clockovi drzim palce. Podle me to chodit bude ale uvidime jak na tom bude prijimac, protoze ten je nejvic choulostivej na vsechno a plosnaky obecne proti vrabcimu hnizdu zaostavaji. Ja jsem to zatim nestavel protoze mam malo casu. Mam plosnaky a soucastky v kupe asi dva mesice ale furt se vrtam v antenach a podobnych vecech a na bastleni nemam kdy :( hezky den Sima Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 05:35:39PM +0200, Petr Neumann wrote: > >>Zdravim >>Chtel jsem se zeptat jestli uz je funkcni a odzkousena verze toho tistaku na >>RX a TX od Simiho ? >>http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm >>Nebo jakej koliv jinej tistak na RX a TX na vzdalenost 1,2 Km ?! >>A pokud neni kde je problem vyroby tistaku ve strucnosti ?! >>Pokusil bych se ho nechat navrhnout za prachy pokud uz to teda nekdo >>nezkousel ?! > > Ja mam zrovna rozdelanej TX a az ho dodelam tak budu delat RX. > Cl< From maco at host.sk Wed Aug 25 13:29:04 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Aug 25 13:29:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ? Tistaky RX TX In-Reply-To: <412C838E.8090600@mujmail.cz> References: <20040824153541.BF09019D88C@relay.inway.cz> <20040824154016.GD11342@beton.cybernet.src> <412C838E.8090600@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <412C8610.60707@host.sk> Ja som ich osadil a rozchodil - bezia bez problemov na 500m prepoji v Bratislave. foto celeho postupu su na http://www.maco.sk/ronja/ maco Marcel Hecko Petr Simandl wrote: > Ahoj, > pokud vim tak zatim nikdo ty plosnaky neosadil > a nerozchodil. Clockovi drzim palce. Podle me to chodit bude > ale uvidime jak na tom bude prijimac, protoze ten je nejvic > choulostivej na vsechno a plosnaky obecne proti vrabcimu > hnizdu zaostavaji. > Ja jsem to zatim nestavel protoze mam malo casu. Mam plosnaky > a soucastky v kupe asi dva mesice ale furt se vrtam v antenach > a podobnych vecech a na bastleni nemam kdy :( > hezky den > Sima > > Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 05:35:39PM +0200, Petr Neumann wrote: >> >>> Zdravim >>> Chtel jsem se zeptat jestli uz je funkcni a odzkousena verze toho >>> tistaku na >>> RX a TX od Simiho ? >>> http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm >>> Nebo jakej koliv jinej tistak na RX a TX na vzdalenost 1,2 Km ?! A >>> pokud neni kde je problem vyroby tistaku ve strucnosti ?! >>> Pokusil bych se ho nechat navrhnout za prachy pokud uz to teda nekdo >>> nezkousel ?! >> >> >> Ja mam zrovna rozdelanej TX a az ho dodelam tak budu delat RX. >> Cl< > > > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Wed Aug 25 13:35:32 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Wed Aug 25 13:35:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ? Tistaky RX TX In-Reply-To: <412C838E.8090600@mujmail.cz> References: <20040824153541.BF09019D88C@relay.inway.cz> <20040824154016.GD11342@beton.cybernet.src> <412C838E.8090600@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <412C8794.2010309@sattnet.cz> Ja je osadil. To bylo tak vse. Po zapnuti bylo rssi kolem 100mV a v zadnem pripade to nechodilo. Tak jsem to rozletoval, plosnaky vyhodil a je pokoj :-D. Petr Simandl napsal(a): > Ahoj, > pokud vim tak zatim nikdo ty plosnaky neosadil > a nerozchodil. Clockovi drzim palce. Podle me to chodit bude > ale uvidime jak na tom bude prijimac, protoze ten je nejvic > choulostivej na vsechno a plosnaky obecne proti vrabcimu > hnizdu zaostavaji. > Ja jsem to zatim nestavel protoze mam malo casu. Mam plosnaky > a soucastky v kupe asi dva mesice ale furt se vrtam v antenach > a podobnych vecech a na bastleni nemam kdy :( > hezky den > Sima -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Aug 25 15:24:15 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Aug 25 15:26:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Sraz v Holicich References: <1093380157.412ba83d3c78d@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <009c01c48aaf$33760920$0101a8c0@cz> Jo jedu tam v patek a prespim v ubytovne "Radost" do soboty. Martin -=RYS=- OK1MJO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: [Ronja] Sraz v Holicich > Nepojede nekdo ze zde pritomne bastlirske haveti v sobotu na sraz radioamateru > do Holic? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From polous at katka.biz Wed Aug 25 19:21:32 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Wed Aug 25 16:19:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ? Tistaky RX TX In-Reply-To: <412C838E.8090600@mujmail.cz> References: <20040824153541.BF09019D88C@relay.inway.cz> <20040824154016.GD11342@beton.cybernet.src> <412C838E.8090600@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <412CD8AC.60408@katka.biz> taky jsem je osadil, par tydnu se s nima vztekal a dal se do vrabcaka, po navratu na dps, jsem znovy projel schema a postavil to na ne podle originalniho clockova zapojeni. Rx uz vypada, ze chodi, Tx dela bordel, ale to na druhy teprv ceka. Jestli chces stavet na dps, postav tu smd verzi. Ale kdyz sem si to spocital, tak objednani dps, cekani na vyrobu .. prace na tom bylo cca stejne jak na vrabcakovi - nepocitam cas vyzkumu proc to nechodi. p0l0us Petr Simandl wrote: > Ahoj, > pokud vim tak zatim nikdo ty plosnaky neosadil > a nerozchodil. Clockovi drzim palce. Podle me to chodit bude > ale uvidime jak na tom bude prijimac, protoze ten je nejvic > choulostivej na vsechno a plosnaky obecne proti vrabcimu > hnizdu zaostavaji. > Ja jsem to zatim nestavel protoze mam malo casu. Mam plosnaky > a soucastky v kupe asi dva mesice ale furt se vrtam v antenach > a podobnych vecech a na bastleni nemam kdy :( > hezky den > Sima > > Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 05:35:39PM +0200, Petr Neumann wrote: >> >>> Zdravim >>> Chtel jsem se zeptat jestli uz je funkcni a odzkousena verze toho >>> tistaku na >>> RX a TX od Simiho ? >>> http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm >>> Nebo jakej koliv jinej tistak na RX a TX na vzdalenost 1,2 Km ?! A >>> pokud neni kde je problem vyroby tistaku ve strucnosti ?! >>> Pokusil bych se ho nechat navrhnout za prachy pokud uz to teda nekdo >>> nezkousel ?! >> >> >> Ja mam zrovna rozdelanej TX a az ho dodelam tak budu delat RX. >> Cl< > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Aug 25 19:23:25 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Aug 25 19:24:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] OT GEDA Message-ID: <20040825182333Z1419711-23098+9398@mail.centrum.cz> ja mam taky dotez k Gede. sem z toho docela srna. stahl sem si naky soubor (myslim ze to bylo neco jako zip nebo tak) a rozbalil to. vznikla z toho naka slozka "pcb-20040215" ve ktere je kupka dalsich slozek a souboru. mam jak Win XP tak linux. co mam delat? staci mi v linuxu spustit naky soubor treba jako *.exe ? nebo je teba neco instalovat ci co? je tam tusim naky Read Me, ale beztak anglicky coz mi zel nic nerika .... diky ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Standa Bobrik" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:25:45 +0200 (CEST) > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] OT GEDA > > > Aha, > > cekal jsem, ze to bude easy. :-( > > > > PII 360?MHz 64MB RAM 6GB disk > > a je to notebook. > > > > OndraT > > > > Pokud muzes obetovat 1GB disku, > tak jde snadno vedle Win nainstalovat > na ten notebook Linux a do nej GEDu. > Pri bootovani si akorat vyberes, jestli > chces spustit Win nebo Linux. Prace > s GEDou v Linuxu je jako ve Winech. > Vystupy, pokud to jsou "obecne" formaty > (*.ps, *.png apod.), se pak daji ulozit > tak, aby byly dostupne i pod Windowsama. > > Instalaci Linuxu najdes na webu. Pro zacatecniky > (jako ja) doporucuji http://www.mandrake.cz ;) > Staci si stahnout a vypalit iso image CD1 z > ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Mandrake/mandrake/iso/9.2/i586/ > (670MB :(, pripadne si dojit do http://www.linuxsoft.cz/shop . > Nebo pozadej nejakeho kamarada, nebo ti od 30.8. > muzu nainstalovat Mandrake 9.2 bez problemu ja. > > Standa > > > > > > > MM> :) tak to nikdo pro tvoje hezky oci neudela, co mas za komp > > ze ti nejede > > MM> emulator? > > > > MM> glo > > > > > > >> Zdravim, > > >> nenasel by se nekdo SW zdatny, kdo by vzal posledni GEDA > verzi > >> a > > >> zkompiloval ji pro Win ? > > >> > > >> Vykon meho PC myslim nestaci na pousteni simulatoru linuxu a > v > >> nich > > >> pousteni Gedy..... > > >> > > >> Asi si to predstavuju jako Hurvinek valku, ale treba to > > >> pujde..... > > >> > > >> > > >> Diky OndraT > > >> > > > -- > Hrajte s n?mi o 1000 K? ka?d? den! P?ipojte se p?es VOLN? a > tipujte teplotu na vybran?m m?st? v ?esk? republice. U?ijte si > l?to s VOLN? na str?nk?ch http://soutez.volny.cz. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From bobriks at volny.cz Wed Aug 25 19:33:12 2004 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Wed Aug 25 19:33:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] OT GEDA In-Reply-To: <20040825182333Z1419711-23098+9398@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040825182333Z1419711-23098+9398@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <3f0ee1885f970349ca9beccd726ac256@www2.mail.volny.cz> Ja se k pripadne instalaci GEDy dostanu az o vikendu. Zatim jsem s ni nikdy nedelal, takze bohuzel momentalne neumim poradit.... ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Jakub Michn?k " Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] OT GEDA Datum: 25.8.2004 - 20:24:03 > ja mam taky dotez k Gede. sem z toho docela srna. stahl sem si > naky soubor (myslim ze to bylo neco jako zip nebo tak) a > rozbalil to. vznikla z toho naka slozka "pcb-20040215" ve ktere > je kupka dalsich slozek a souboru. mam jak Win XP tak linux. co > mam delat? staci mi v linuxu spustit naky soubor treba jako > *.exe ? nebo je teba neco instalovat ci co? je tam tusim naky > Read Me, ale beztak anglicky coz mi zel nic nerika .... > > diky > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: "Standa Bobrik" > > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > > Datum: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:25:45 +0200 (CEST) > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] OT GEDA > > > > > Aha, > > > cekal jsem, ze to bude easy. :-( > > > > > > PII 360?MHz 64MB RAM 6GB disk > > > a je to notebook. > > > > > > OndraT > > > > > > > Pokud muzes obetovat 1GB disku, > > tak jde snadno vedle Win nainstalovat > > na ten notebook Linux a do nej GEDu. > > Pri bootovani si akorat vyberes, jestli > > chces spustit Win nebo Linux. Prace > > s GEDou v Linuxu je jako ve Winech. > > Vystupy, pokud to jsou "obecne" formaty > > (*.ps, *.png apod.), se pak daji ulozit > > tak, aby byly dostupne i pod Windowsama. > > > > Instalaci Linuxu najdes na webu. Pro zacatecniky > > (jako ja) doporucuji http://www.mandrake.cz ;) > > Staci si stahnout a vypalit iso image CD1 z > > ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Mandrake/mandrake/iso/9.2/i586/ > > (670MB :(, pripadne si dojit do http://www.linuxsoft.cz/shop . > > Nebo pozadej nejakeho kamarada, nebo ti od 30.8. > > muzu nainstalovat Mandrake 9.2 bez problemu ja. > > > > Standa > > > > > > > > > > > > MM> :) tak to nikdo pro tvoje hezky oci neudela, co mas za > > > komp > > > ze ti nejede > > > MM> emulator? > > > > > > MM> glo > > > > > > > > > >> Zdravim, > > > >> nenasel by se nekdo SW zdatny, kdo by vzal posledni GEDA > > verzi > >> a > > > >> zkompiloval ji pro Win ? > > > >> > > > >> Vykon meho PC myslim nestaci na pousteni simulatoru linuxu > > > >> a > > v > >> nich > > > >> pousteni Gedy..... > > > >> > > > >> Asi si to predstavuju jako Hurvinek valku, ale treba to > > > >> pujde..... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Diky OndraT > > > >> > > > > > > -- > > Hrajte s n?mi o 1000 K? ka?d? den! P?ipojte se p?es VOLN? a > > tipujte teplotu na vybran?m m?st? v ?esk? republice. U?ijte si > > l?to s VOLN? na str?nk?ch http://soutez.volny.cz. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -------------------- > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Hrajte s n?mi o 1000 K? ka?d? den! P?ipojte se p?es VOLN? a tipujte teplotu na vybran?m m?st? v ?esk? republice. U?ijte si l?to s VOLN? na str?nk?ch http://soutez.volny.cz. From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Wed Aug 25 19:36:25 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Wed Aug 25 19:37:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nakup v ostrave Message-ID: <20040825183650Z1362129-23098+9664@mail.centrum.cz> pred chcili sem byl nakupit soucastky na twistra v Ostrave. v Gesu sem sel pro IO a 10M oscilator. os. nebyl, IO jenom nekere. V GM MELI ty vecne nesehnatelne 26LS31(2) ted nevim kere nejsou. ale meli posledni 3ks od kazdeho takze uz mit nebudou. zeptal jsem se ho kdy budou a on ze jestli sou v praze tak ze brzo, nacez jsem mu odvetil ze v praze tezko ze je furt nekdo shani. on se podival do PC a rekl ze jich maji 193, tak nevim proc je nemuzete sehnat:). ale este me napadlo, jestli treba nemluvil otech ..32 kere sehnat jdou (nebo 31 ja nevim :) ) jinak bylo vsechno este krome 74HC133, ale bral sem jenom soucastky, take ty kravinky jako konektory atp ne. jo, a meli docela levny a rekl bych dobry prepinac za 8Kc (narozdil od beznych 25) v GM sem platil 501Kc (mam studentskou slevu 10%) v gesu 51 Kc.... -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Aug 25 20:09:25 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Aug 25 20:08:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nakup v ostrave In-Reply-To: <20040825183650Z1362129-23098+9664@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040825183650Z1362129-23098+9664@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <514405365.20040825210925@volny.cz> Jak se udela, aby clovek mel v GM jako student 10% slevu? Funguje to i v Praze? Ja si nestezuju, ja v GM v Praze koupil vsechno. Ted (Po) tam maji vsechny klicove soucastky krome krabicek UAH102. A krom LEDek, ze :-) Ondra JM> pred chcili sem byl nakupit soucastky na twistra v Ostrave. v Gesu sem sel pro IO a 10M oscilator. os. nebyl, IO jenom nekere. V GM MELI ty vecne nesehnatelne 26LS31(2) ted nevim kere nejsou. ale JM> meli posledni 3ks od kazdeho takze uz mit nebudou. zeptal jsem se ho kdy budou a on ze jestli sou v praze tak ze brzo, nacez jsem mu odvetil ze v praze tezko ze je furt nekdo shani. on se podival JM> do PC a rekl ze jich maji 193, tak nevim proc je nemuzete sehnat:). ale este me napadlo, jestli treba nemluvil otech ..32 kere sehnat jdou (nebo 31 ja nevim :) ) JM> jinak bylo vsechno este krome 74HC133, ale bral sem jenom soucastky, take ty kravinky jako konektory atp ne. JM> jo, a meli docela levny a rekl bych dobry prepinac za 8Kc (narozdil od beznych 25) JM> v GM sem platil 501Kc (mam studentskou slevu 10%) v gesu 51 Kc.... JM> -------------------- JM> JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Aug 25 20:39:16 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Aug 25 20:39:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ? Tistaky RX TX In-Reply-To: <412C8794.2010309@sattnet.cz> References: <20040824153541.BF09019D88C@relay.inway.cz> <20040824154016.GD11342@beton.cybernet.src> <412C838E.8090600@mujmail.cz> <412C8794.2010309@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <1093462756.412ceae4f1cc1@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Jo, kdyby nekdo potreboval, tak umim rozchodit libovolnou verzi tistaku RX od K.J.Skontorpa. Tu uplne prvni na minimalne 80cm bez optiky s TWISTERem a HPWT-BD00-F4000 a cca 2m s AUI. P. Seliger Quoting David Sedl????ek : > Ja je osadil. To bylo tak vse. Po zapnuti bylo rssi kolem 100mV a v > zadnem pripade to nechodilo. Tak jsem to rozletoval, plosnaky vyhodil a > je pokoj :-D. > > Petr Simandl napsal(a): > > > Ahoj, > > pokud vim tak zatim nikdo ty plosnaky neosadil > > a nerozchodil. Clockovi drzim palce. Podle me to chodit bude > > ale uvidime jak na tom bude prijimac, protoze ten je nejvic > > choulostivej na vsechno a plosnaky obecne proti vrabcimu > > hnizdu zaostavaji. > > Ja jsem to zatim nestavel protoze mam malo casu. Mam plosnaky > > a soucastky v kupe asi dva mesice ale furt se vrtam v antenach > > a podobnych vecech a na bastleni nemam kdy :( > > hezky den > > Sima > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl????ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From korda.m at seznam.cz Wed Aug 25 05:58:18 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Wed Aug 25 20:57:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ? Tistaky RX TX References: <20040824153541.BF09019D88C@relay.inway.cz><20040824154016.GD11342@beton.cybernet.src><412C838E.8090600@mujmail.cz> <412C8794.2010309@sattnet.cz> <1093462756.412ceae4f1cc1@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <000b01c48a60$23316630$02086b0a@atintel> Jaktoze 2m s AUI a jen 80cm s TWISTERem? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ? Tistaky RX TX Jo, kdyby nekdo potreboval, tak umim rozchodit libovolnou verzi tistaku RX od K.J.Skontorpa. Tu uplne prvni na minimalne 80cm bez optiky s TWISTERem a HPWT-BD00-F4000 a cca 2m s AUI. P. Seliger Quoting David Sedl????ek : > Ja je osadil. To bylo tak vse. Po zapnuti bylo rssi kolem 100mV a v > zadnem pripade to nechodilo. Tak jsem to rozletoval, plosnaky vyhodil a > je pokoj :-D. > > Petr Simandl napsal(a): > > > Ahoj, > > pokud vim tak zatim nikdo ty plosnaky neosadil > > a nerozchodil. Clockovi drzim palce. Podle me to chodit bude > > ale uvidime jak na tom bude prijimac, protoze ten je nejvic > > choulostivej na vsechno a plosnaky obecne proti vrabcimu > > hnizdu zaostavaji. > > Ja jsem to zatim nestavel protoze mam malo casu. Mam plosnaky > > a soucastky v kupe asi dva mesice ale furt se vrtam v antenach > > a podobnych vecech a na bastleni nemam kdy :( > > hezky den > > Sima > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl????ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Aug 25 20:59:01 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Aug 25 20:59:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] eagle - velikost desky Message-ID: <000701c48add$f7ac3480$0103450a@thechosen> nevim kam moc kde bych se mel zeptat tak treb ami tu nekdo poradi. jak mam v eaglu nastavit velikost desky? kdzy nic nedelam je to moc velme a tisknout se to moc neda :) nevite? sem prolejzal manual od zhora dolu a obracene ale nic nic nic sem nenasel. diky glo From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Thu Aug 26 00:04:17 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Thu Aug 26 00:04:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani In-Reply-To: <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <412D1AF1.7020007@sattnet.cz> Hm, to tady nikdo nezameroval? Zitra to budem delat napotreti :-((. Na zemi chodilo bez PL na 2.1m. To ohnisko je vazdne mensi nez 1mm a taky ne moc intenzivni. Ale linka 1.1km snad musi s 130mm cockami fungovat, ne? Take je zajimave, ze je (se mi zda) svetlo z vysilace stejne intenzivni i o 20m (asi vic) od Ronji. Jaky by na konci mel byt rozptyl? Nenasel by se nekdo, kdo je ochoten to skonzultovat treba pres ICQ? Fakt nevim co dal.. David Sedl??ek napsal(a): > Vim, ze uz to tu bylo nekolikrat, ale zatim jsem tomu nevenoval > pozornost :-). Na strese uz mame nainstalovanou Ronju, od 4:00. > Vysilac sel seridit zcela bezproblemove, jen prijimac dela problemy. > Nastavit 1mm tecku do stredu ledky se nam uz skoro rano nepovedlo. > Nema nekdo nejaky dobry napad, jak zamerovat (bez stitu...)? Kdyz uz > to tam je, tak by bylo docela fajn zprovoznit to :-). > Diky > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From bobriks at volny.cz Thu Aug 26 09:01:08 2004 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Thu Aug 26 09:01:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] eagle - velikost desky In-Reply-To: <000701c48add$f7ac3480$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000701c48add$f7ac3480$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <2b7797ed472bedbfba70ad88b08c0ab4@www3.mail.volny.cz> Ve "Schematic Editoru" se prepni na malovani desky "File -> Switch to board" (nebo prislusnou ikonou). Spusti se "Board Editor", dej v nem "Edit -> Move" (nebo prislusnou ikonu) a pri stisknutem levem tlacitku mysi pak muzes natahovat obrysy desky jak chces (ve freeware verzi max. 100x80mm, abys pak mohl pracovat dale). Standa > nevim kam moc kde bych se mel zeptat tak treb ami tu nekdo > poradi. jak mam v > eaglu nastavit velikost desky? kdzy nic nedelam je to moc velme a > tisknout > se to moc neda :) nevite? sem prolejzal manual od zhora dolu a > obracene ale > nic nic nic sem nenasel. > > diky > > glo > -- Hrajte s n?mi o 1000 K? ka?d? den! P?ipojte se p?es VOLN? a tipujte teplotu na vybran?m m?st? v ?esk? republice. U?ijte si l?to s VOLN? na str?nk?ch http://soutez.volny.cz. From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Aug 26 10:24:45 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Aug 26 10:23:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] P105 Message-ID: <911257697.20040826112445@volny.cz> Zdravim, nestalo se vam nekomu, ze mate na Rx v P105 jen 1.6V Mam tu dva takove exemplare a nevim kam se to napeti muze ztracet. Kdyz odpojim R109 tak tam tech 6V je. Tak jsem vymenil i NE592 ale situace zustava stejna. C105 prorazenej neni. Diky Ondra From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Aug 26 16:26:17 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Aug 26 16:25:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? Message-ID: <18712004327.20040826172617@volny.cz> Zdravim, Mam: PC-- Twister--Twister--switch Zapojim a jede to. Ale pokud chci ty twistry prohodit (vymenit kterej pojede proti PC a kterej proti switchi tak se stane toto: Kdyz je nejdrive prejumpruju a pak prohodim sitove kabely, tak je to OK. Pokud ale nejdrive prohodim sitove kabely a pak teprve prejumpruju, tak data neprojdou. Nepomuze ani reset napajeni Twistru. Problem je, ze se to takto nechova vzdy, ale obcas se to da prehodit i tim druhym zpusobem. Ten prvni me naopak zatim nikdy nezklamal. Pokud to maze nekdo na stole v podobne konfiguraci, tak to prosim overte, ale ja netusim, cim to muze byt. Takto se chovaji vsechny 4 ks, co mam momentalne k dispozici. Diky Ondra From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Aug 26 18:21:49 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Aug 26 18:21:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? References: <18712004327.20040826172617@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002901c48b91$2c0ec220$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> no, j? mel probl?m pri testov?n? ten, ze se mi s?tovky pri prehazov?n? kabelu prep?naly(fd/hd, .. ?) takze jsem to radsi vzdy po zmene kabel?ze nastavil znova Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? > Zdravim, > Mam: PC-- Twister--Twister--switch > > Zapojim a jede to. Ale pokud chci ty twistry prohodit (vymenit kterej > pojede proti PC a kterej proti switchi tak se stane toto: > > Kdyz je nejdrive prejumpruju a pak prohodim sitove kabely, tak je to > OK. > Pokud ale nejdrive prohodim sitove kabely a pak teprve prejumpruju, > tak data neprojdou. > Nepomuze ani reset napajeni Twistru. > > Problem je, ze se to takto nechova vzdy, ale obcas se to da prehodit i > tim druhym zpusobem. > Ten prvni me naopak zatim nikdy nezklamal. > > Pokud to maze nekdo na stole v podobne konfiguraci, tak to prosim > overte, ale ja netusim, cim to muze byt. > > Takto se chovaji vsechny 4 ks, co mam momentalne k dispozici. > > Diky Ondra > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Aug 26 18:28:52 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Thu Aug 26 18:29:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? References: <18712004327.20040826172617@volny.cz> <002901c48b91$2c0ec220$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <000701c48b92$28202d60$0103450a@thechosen> :) tak to sme nam ted stalo taky, ronja jede celou dobu jak zpraku a najednou packet loss asi 30% a jen jednosmernej. uz sme chteli lest na strechu ze nam ujela nastranu ale v tom me napadlo prekontrolovat FD HD a co myslite? mel ho tam. HD. nejake vemeno to nedalo do start scriptu :) a nastala nepredvidana udalost a to reset :/ Glo ------- no, j? mel probl?m pri testov?n? ten, ze se mi s?tovky pri prehazov?n? kabelu prep?naly(fd/hd, .. ?) takze jsem to radsi vzdy po zmene kabel?ze nastavil znova Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? > Zdravim, > Mam: PC-- Twister--Twister--switch > > Zapojim a jede to. Ale pokud chci ty twistry prohodit (vymenit kterej > pojede proti PC a kterej proti switchi tak se stane toto: > > Kdyz je nejdrive prejumpruju a pak prohodim sitove kabely, tak je to > OK. > Pokud ale nejdrive prohodim sitove kabely a pak teprve prejumpruju, > tak data neprojdou. > Nepomuze ani reset napajeni Twistru. > > Problem je, ze se to takto nechova vzdy, ale obcas se to da prehodit i > tim druhym zpusobem. > Ten prvni me naopak zatim nikdy nezklamal. > > Pokud to maze nekdo na stole v podobne konfiguraci, tak to prosim > overte, ale ja netusim, cim to muze byt. > > Takto se chovaji vsechny 4 ks, co mam momentalne k dispozici. > > Diky Ondra > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Thu Aug 26 21:14:23 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Thu Aug 26 21:14:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nakup v ostrave Message-ID: <20040826201425Z1302404-23096+35075@mail.centrum.cz> no ja nevim jak je to v praze,ale nam v ove to zaridila skola ( SPS-Tp karvina).nebo spis nase sikovna nova pani reditelka(bohudiky za ni). jesi delas VS tak fakt nevim jak to s tim je.... mohli by to udelat treba...na ISIC kartu nebo tak.... skus jim rict :) dneska sem byl i v tom prazskem, ale koupil sem posledni 16MHz oscilator (aspon teda v suplinku mel posledni,tak sem druhy kupil v dil 8)....ale mozna ze maji, nechci kecat... (kdyby chtel nekdo te moji slevy vyuzit tak prosim, mozna ze jim bude stacit kdyz se treba mailem posle seznam, oni nabalickujou, ja s prukazem studenta vyzvednu,zaplatim,poslu. ale chce to kdyz uz tak uz (at tam nelitam 100x pro to same:) ) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Ondrej Tesar > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:09:25 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] nakup v ostrave > > Jak se udela, aby clovek mel v GM jako student 10% slevu? > Funguje to i v Praze? > > Ja si nestezuju, ja v GM v Praze koupil vsechno. > Ted (Po) tam maji vsechny klicove soucastky krome krabicek UAH102. > A krom LEDek, ze :-) > > Ondra > > JM> pred chcili sem byl nakupit soucastky na twistra v Ostrave. v Gesu sem sel pro IO a 10M oscilator. os. nebyl, IO jenom nekere. V GM MELI ty vecne nesehnatelne 26LS31(2) ted nevim kere nejsou. ale > JM> meli posledni 3ks od kazdeho takze uz mit nebudou. zeptal jsem se ho kdy budou a on ze jestli sou v praze tak ze brzo, nacez jsem mu odvetil ze v praze tezko ze je furt nekdo shani. on se podival > JM> do PC a rekl ze jich maji 193, tak nevim proc je nemuzete sehnat:). ale este me napadlo, jestli treba nemluvil otech ..32 kere sehnat jdou (nebo 31 ja nevim :) ) > > JM> jinak bylo vsechno este krome 74HC133, ale bral sem jenom soucastky, take ty kravinky jako konektory atp ne. > > JM> jo, a meli docela levny a rekl bych dobry prepinac za 8Kc (narozdil od beznych 25) > > JM> v GM sem platil 501Kc (mam studentskou slevu 10%) v gesu 51 Kc.... > > JM> -------------------- > JM> JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > JM> _______________________________________________ > JM> Ronja mailing list > JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Thu Aug 26 21:20:37 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Thu Aug 26 21:21:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] eagle - velikost desky Message-ID: <20040826202043Z1301178-23099+35604@mail.centrum.cz> a este kdyz pak kliknes ikonkou "i" blizko nake cary tak se zobrazi jeji info. tzn. delka (standartne v palcich) a pod. ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Standa Bobrik" > Komu: "Michal Malusek" , "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:01:08 +0200 (CEST) > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] eagle - velikost desky > > > Ve "Schematic Editoru" se prepni na malovani desky > "File -> Switch to board" (nebo prislusnou ikonou). > Spusti se "Board Editor", dej v nem "Edit -> Move" > (nebo prislusnou ikonu) a pri stisknutem levem > tlacitku mysi pak muzes natahovat obrysy desky jak > chces (ve freeware verzi max. 100x80mm, abys pak > mohl pracovat dale). > > Standa > > > > nevim kam moc kde bych se mel zeptat tak treb ami tu nekdo > > poradi. jak mam v > > eaglu nastavit velikost desky? kdzy nic nedelam je to moc velme > a > tisknout > > se to moc neda :) nevite? sem prolejzal manual od zhora dolu a > > obracene ale > > nic nic nic sem nenasel. > > > > diky > > > > glo > > > > > -- > Hrajte s n?mi o 1000 K? ka?d? den! P?ipojte se p?es VOLN? a > tipujte teplotu na vybran?m m?st? v ?esk? republice. U?ijte si > l?to s VOLN? na str?nk?ch http://soutez.volny.cz. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > --------------- Po po??dn?m tr?ninku SVE? SOUBOJ o medaili po s?ti! Prav? z?bava p?ich?z? na http://ateny2004.centrum.cz From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Thu Aug 26 21:27:42 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Thu Aug 26 21:28:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?=22vakuov=E1=22?= ronja Message-ID: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> pred chvili sem dostal napad. kdyz sem premysel jak moc dat silikagelu do tech trubek a tak. co kdyby se z tech trubek odsal vzduch? asi by to neslo uplne ale aspon trochu by tam ten podtlak byl,a mozna by to uvnitr min oxidovalo a tak, ne, kdyz by tam toho vzduchu nebylo tolik? ptate se jak? ihned se to dovite! : do trubky se ve vhodnem miste vyvrta dira cca 5mm. ze stare duse z kola se urizne ventilek i s kouskem guny. tento dil se tam ale vlepi naopak nez byste cekali. tj. ventilkem dovnitr. pak se este zhotovi naky sosak na kery se nasadi pumpa aby to slo vypumpovat. HM? :D myslite ze to ma smysl? -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Aug 26 21:44:31 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Thu Aug 26 21:54:51 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_=22vakuov=E1=22_ronja?= References: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000e01c48bad$812ba220$0103450a@thechosen> chlape ty se nudis tak vymejslis kravinuy co? :) oxidovat to tam bude hlavne vlhkosti ale to resi silicagel, a ikdyz to tam zkoroduej moc to na funkcnosti nemeni pokud tamnedas konektory a trimry. standartni cokolada snad vydrzi lecos kdyz se pouziva vsude. a pakodsavat vzduch z neceho neni tak easy jak si predstavujes. s tesnosti jako to je delane by si tam kazdej tejden chodil odsavat to co ti tam nalezlo skvirkama. nevidim v tom praktick vyuziti. treba microvlne anteny se plni treb anetecnym plynem kvuli korozy zarice kde i male necostoty a poskozeni lesteneho povrchu kazi vlastnsti. skin efekt je potovora ale tady se to asi neujme :) Glo ------------------ pred chvili sem dostal napad. kdyz sem premysel jak moc dat silikagelu do tech trubek a tak. co kdyby se z tech trubek odsal vzduch? asi by to neslo uplne ale aspon trochu by tam ten podtlak byl,a mozna by to uvnitr min oxidovalo a tak, ne, kdyz by tam toho vzduchu nebylo tolik? ptate se jak? ihned se to dovite! : do trubky se ve vhodnem miste vyvrta dira cca 5mm. ze stare duse z kola se urizne ventilek i s kouskem guny. tento dil se tam ale vlepi naopak nez byste cekali. tj. ventilkem dovnitr. pak se este zhotovi naky sosak na kery se nasadi pumpa aby to slo vypumpovat. HM? :D myslite ze to ma smysl? -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Aug 26 21:45:05 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Thu Aug 26 21:55:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] eagle - velikost desky References: <20040826202043Z1301178-23099+35604@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <001101c48bad$997e97b0$0103450a@thechosen> uz sme nasel chybu. mam mimo rozsah kreslici plochy dve cary ktere nemuzu smazat :/ Glo ------ a este kdyz pak kliknes ikonkou "i" blizko nake cary tak se zobrazi jeji info. tzn. delka (standartne v palcich) a pod. ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Standa Bobrik" > Komu: "Michal Malusek" , "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:01:08 +0200 (CEST) > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] eagle - velikost desky > > > Ve "Schematic Editoru" se prepni na malovani desky > "File -> Switch to board" (nebo prislusnou ikonou). > Spusti se "Board Editor", dej v nem "Edit -> Move" > (nebo prislusnou ikonu) a pri stisknutem levem > tlacitku mysi pak muzes natahovat obrysy desky jak > chces (ve freeware verzi max. 100x80mm, abys pak > mohl pracovat dale). > > Standa > > > > nevim kam moc kde bych se mel zeptat tak treb ami tu nekdo > > poradi. jak mam v > > eaglu nastavit velikost desky? kdzy nic nedelam je to moc velme > a > tisknout > > se to moc neda :) nevite? sem prolejzal manual od zhora dolu a > > obracene ale > > nic nic nic sem nenasel. > > > > diky > > > > glo > > > > > -- > Hrajte s n?mi o 1000 K? ka?d? den! P?ipojte se p?es VOLN? a > tipujte teplotu na vybran?m m?st? v ?esk? republice. U?ijte si > l?to s VOLN? na str?nk?ch http://soutez.volny.cz. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > --------------- Po po??dn?m tr?ninku SVE? SOUBOJ o medaili po s?ti! Prav? z?bava p?ich?z? na http://ateny2004.centrum.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Thu Aug 26 23:50:38 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Thu Aug 26 23:50:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=22vakuov=E1=22_ronja?= In-Reply-To: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <412E693E.3050200@sattnet.cz> No podle me to nikdy neutesnis tak, aby to drzelo nekolik let :-). Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): >pred chvili sem dostal napad. kdyz sem premysel jak moc dat silikagelu do tech trubek a tak. co kdyby se z tech trubek odsal vzduch? asi by to neslo uplne ale aspon trochu by tam ten podtlak byl,a mozna by to uvnitr min oxidovalo a tak, ne, kdyz by tam toho vzduchu nebylo tolik? > >ptate se jak? ihned se to dovite! : do trubky se ve vhodnem miste vyvrta dira cca 5mm. ze stare duse z kola se urizne ventilek i s kouskem guny. tento dil se tam ale vlepi naopak nez byste cekali. tj. ventilkem dovnitr. pak se este zhotovi naky sosak na kery se nasadi pumpa aby to slo vypumpovat. HM? :D > >myslite ze to ma smysl? > >-------------------- >JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From polous at katka.biz Fri Aug 27 05:49:10 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Aug 27 02:46:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=22vakuov=E1=22_ronja?= In-Reply-To: <412E693E.3050200@sattnet.cz> References: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> <412E693E.3050200@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <412EBD46.60001@katka.biz> To zaprve to neutesnis a zadruhe by to chtelo spis drobny pretlak ne ? aby to nenasavalo atmosferu okoli s tou zminovanou vlhkosti. p0l0us David Sedl??ek wrote: > No podle me to nikdy neutesnis tak, aby to drzelo nekolik let :-). > > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > >> pred chvili sem dostal napad. kdyz sem premysel jak moc dat >> silikagelu do tech trubek a tak. co kdyby se z tech trubek odsal >> vzduch? asi by to neslo uplne ale aspon trochu by tam ten podtlak >> byl,a mozna by to uvnitr min oxidovalo a tak, ne, kdyz by tam toho >> vzduchu nebylo tolik? >> >> ptate se jak? ihned se to dovite! : do trubky se ve vhodnem miste >> vyvrta dira cca 5mm. ze stare duse z kola se urizne ventilek i s >> kouskem guny. tento dil se tam ale vlepi naopak nez byste cekali. tj. >> ventilkem dovnitr. pak se este zhotovi naky sosak na kery se nasadi >> pumpa aby to slo vypumpovat. HM? :D >> myslite ze to ma smysl? > From polous at katka.biz Fri Aug 27 06:58:33 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Aug 27 03:55:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] seliger twister ? In-Reply-To: <412EBD46.60001@katka.biz> References: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> <412E693E.3050200@sattnet.cz> <412EBD46.60001@katka.biz> Message-ID: <412ECD89.3040207@katka.biz> Ahoj, tak brousim po galerii a narazil sem na tohle: http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg zajmalo by mne, co se skryva pod destickou (na ni), co sou pridelane bnc konektory a utp [+ traficko(?)] ?? to je nejake vylepseni twistera ? btw. ta krabicka s konektorama a chladicem je moc pekna :)) p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 27 07:33:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 07:33:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? In-Reply-To: <002901c48b91$2c0ec220$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <18712004327.20040826172617@volny.cz> <002901c48b91$2c0ec220$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040827063349.GA8321@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 07:21:49PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > no, j? mel probl?m pri testov?n? ten, ze se mi s?tovky pri prehazov?n? > kabelu prep?naly(fd/hd, .. ?) Jak pri prehazovani kabelu? Pri rekonfiguraci na jine medium a nebo pri vytazeni RJ45 a jeho opetovnem zastrceni? Cl< > takze jsem to radsi vzdy po zmene kabel?ze nastavil znova > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ondrej Tesar" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:26 PM > Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? > > > > Zdravim, > > Mam: PC-- Twister--Twister--switch > > > > Zapojim a jede to. Ale pokud chci ty twistry prohodit (vymenit kterej > > pojede proti PC a kterej proti switchi tak se stane toto: > > > > Kdyz je nejdrive prejumpruju a pak prohodim sitove kabely, tak je to > > OK. > > Pokud ale nejdrive prohodim sitove kabely a pak teprve prejumpruju, > > tak data neprojdou. > > Nepomuze ani reset napajeni Twistru. > > > > Problem je, ze se to takto nechova vzdy, ale obcas se to da prehodit i > > tim druhym zpusobem. > > Ten prvni me naopak zatim nikdy nezklamal. > > > > Pokud to maze nekdo na stole v podobne konfiguraci, tak to prosim > > overte, ale ja netusim, cim to muze byt. > > > > Takto se chovaji vsechny 4 ks, co mam momentalne k dispozici. > > > > Diky Ondra > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 27 07:37:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 07:37:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? In-Reply-To: <18712004327.20040826172617@volny.cz> References: <18712004327.20040826172617@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040827063715.GB8321@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 05:26:17PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > Mam: PC-- Twister--Twister--switch > > Zapojim a jede to. Ale pokud chci ty twistry prohodit (vymenit kterej > pojede proti PC a kterej proti switchi tak se stane toto: > > Kdyz je nejdrive prejumpruju a pak prohodim sitove kabely, tak je to > OK. > Pokud ale nejdrive prohodim sitove kabely a pak teprve prejumpruju, > tak data neprojdou. > Nepomuze ani reset napajeni Twistru. Tak to bude asi zlomenej kabel nebo spatnej kontakt nekde. Twister je postavenej takovym zpusobem, ze si nic nepamatuje, tudiz si nemuze pamatovat ani to, ze se ma takhle chovat. A nebo to nedelaj ty Twistery ale sitovka nebo switch. Cl< > > Problem je, ze se to takto nechova vzdy, ale obcas se to da prehodit i > tim druhym zpusobem. > Ten prvni me naopak zatim nikdy nezklamal. > > Pokud to maze nekdo na stole v podobne konfiguraci, tak to prosim > overte, ale ja netusim, cim to muze byt. > > Takto se chovaji vsechny 4 ks, co mam momentalne k dispozici. > > Diky Ondra > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 27 07:39:28 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 07:39:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] P105 In-Reply-To: <911257697.20040826112445@volny.cz> References: <911257697.20040826112445@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040827063928.GC8321@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 11:24:45AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > nestalo se vam nekomu, ze mate na Rx v P105 jen 1.6V > Mam tu dva takove exemplare a nevim kam se to napeti muze ztracet. > Kdyz odpojim R109 tak tam tech 6V je. Tak jsem vymenil i NE592 ale > situace zustava stejna. > C105 prorazenej neni. Vyletuj R108 a rekni, jak se napeti na P105 zmenilo. Cl< > > Diky Ondra > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 27 07:50:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 07:50:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] OT GEDA In-Reply-To: <3f0ee1885f970349ca9beccd726ac256@www2.mail.volny.cz> References: <20040825182333Z1419711-23098+9398@mail.centrum.cz> <3f0ee1885f970349ca9beccd726ac256@www2.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040827065041.GF8321@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 08:33:12PM +0200, Standa Bobrik wrote: > > Ja se k pripadne instalaci GEDy dostanu > az o vikendu. Zatim jsem s ni nikdy nedelal, > takze bohuzel momentalne neumim poradit.... > > > ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- > Od: "Jakub Michn?k " > Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] OT GEDA > Datum: 25.8.2004 - 20:24:03 > > > ja mam taky dotez k Gede. sem z toho docela srna. stahl sem si > > naky soubor (myslim ze to bylo neco jako zip nebo tak) a > > rozbalil to. vznikla z toho naka slozka "pcb-20040215" ve ktere > > je kupka dalsich slozek a souboru. mam jak Win XP tak linux. co > > mam delat? staci mi v linuxu spustit naky soubor treba jako > > *.exe ? nebo je teba neco instalovat ci co? je tam tusim naky > > Read Me, ale beztak anglicky coz mi zel nic nerika .... ./configure && make a pod rootem ze stejneho adresare make install a pak pustis prikaz "pcb" Nejnovejsi verze je 20040530. Cl< > > > > diky > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: "Standa Bobrik" > > > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Datum: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:25:45 +0200 (CEST) > > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] OT GEDA > > > > > > > Aha, > > > > cekal jsem, ze to bude easy. :-( > > > > > > > > PII 360?MHz 64MB RAM 6GB disk > > > > a je to notebook. > > > > > > > > OndraT > > > > > > > > > > Pokud muzes obetovat 1GB disku, > > > tak jde snadno vedle Win nainstalovat > > > na ten notebook Linux a do nej GEDu. > > > Pri bootovani si akorat vyberes, jestli > > > chces spustit Win nebo Linux. Prace > > > s GEDou v Linuxu je jako ve Winech. > > > Vystupy, pokud to jsou "obecne" formaty > > > (*.ps, *.png apod.), se pak daji ulozit > > > tak, aby byly dostupne i pod Windowsama. > > > > > > Instalaci Linuxu najdes na webu. Pro zacatecniky > > > (jako ja) doporucuji http://www.mandrake.cz ;) > > > Staci si stahnout a vypalit iso image CD1 z > > > > ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Mandrake/mandrake/iso/9.2/i586/ > > > (670MB :(, pripadne si dojit do http://www.linuxsoft.cz/shop . > > > Nebo pozadej nejakeho kamarada, nebo ti od 30.8. > > > muzu nainstalovat Mandrake 9.2 bez problemu ja. > > > > > > Standa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MM> :) tak to nikdo pro tvoje hezky oci neudela, co mas za > > > > komp > > > > ze ti nejede > > > > MM> emulator? > > > > > > > > MM> glo > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Zdravim, > > > > >> nenasel by se nekdo SW zdatny, kdo by vzal posledni GEDA > > > verzi > >> a > > > > >> zkompiloval ji pro Win ? > > > > >> > > > > >> Vykon meho PC myslim nestaci na pousteni simulatoru > linuxu > > > >> a > > > v > >> nich > > > > >> pousteni Gedy..... > > > > >> > > > > >> Asi si to predstavuju jako Hurvinek valku, ale treba to > > > > >> pujde..... > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Diky OndraT > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Hrajte s n?mi o 1000 K? ka?d? den! P?ipojte se p?es VOLN? a > > > tipujte teplotu na vybran?m m?st? v ?esk? republice. U?ijte > si > > l?to s VOLN? na str?nk?ch http://soutez.volny.cz. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > -------------------- > > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM > > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Hrajte s n?mi o 1000 K? ka?d? den! P?ipojte se p?es VOLN? a > tipujte teplotu na vybran?m m?st? v ?esk? republice. U?ijte si > l?to s VOLN? na str?nk?ch http://soutez.volny.cz. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 27 07:54:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 07:54:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani In-Reply-To: <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040827065408.GG8321@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 10:14:31AM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Vim, ze uz to tu bylo nekolikrat, ale zatim jsem tomu nevenoval > pozornost :-). Na strese uz mame nainstalovanou Ronju, od 4:00. Vysilac > sel seridit zcela bezproblemove, jen prijimac dela problemy. Nastavit > 1mm tecku do stredu ledky se nam uz skoro rano nepovedlo. Nema nekdo > nejaky dobry napad, jak zamerovat (bez stitu...)? Kdyz uz to tam je, tak > by bylo docela fajn zprovoznit to :-). Postup zamerovani je popsanej tady: http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/installing.php Cl< > Diky > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Aug 27 07:54:57 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Aug 27 07:54:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] P105 In-Reply-To: <20040827063928.GC8321@beton.cybernet.src> References: <911257697.20040826112445@volny.cz> <20040827063928.GC8321@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <413331357.20040827085457@volny.cz> Ten to nijak neovlivni. At tam je nebo neni situace se nemeni. Stale 1.6V Ondra KK> On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 11:24:45AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> Zdravim, >> nestalo se vam nekomu, ze mate na Rx v P105 jen 1.6V >> Mam tu dva takove exemplare a nevim kam se to napeti muze ztracet. >> Kdyz odpojim R109 tak tam tech 6V je. Tak jsem vymenil i NE592 ale >> situace zustava stejna. >> C105 prorazenej neni. KK> Vyletuj R108 a rekni, jak se napeti na P105 zmenilo. KK> Cl< >> >> Diky Ondra >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 27 08:00:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 08:00:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] P105 In-Reply-To: <413331357.20040827085457@volny.cz> References: <911257697.20040826112445@volny.cz> <20040827063928.GC8321@beton.cybernet.src> <413331357.20040827085457@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040827070027.GA12274@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 08:54:57AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ten to nijak neovlivni. At tam je nebo neni situace se nemeni. Stale > 1.6V Tak ted uz je to trivialni - mas delic s 2 stejnejma odporama napajenej 12V a uprostred neni 6V ale 1.6V. Cl< > > Ondra > > KK> On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 11:24:45AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > >> Zdravim, > >> nestalo se vam nekomu, ze mate na Rx v P105 jen 1.6V > >> Mam tu dva takove exemplare a nevim kam se to napeti muze ztracet. > >> Kdyz odpojim R109 tak tam tech 6V je. Tak jsem vymenil i NE592 ale > >> situace zustava stejna. > >> C105 prorazenej neni. > > KK> Vyletuj R108 a rekni, jak se napeti na P105 zmenilo. > > KK> Cl< > >> > >> Diky Ondra > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 27 08:01:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 08:01:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani In-Reply-To: <412D1AF1.7020007@sattnet.cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> <412D1AF1.7020007@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040827070143.GB12274@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 01:04:17AM +0200, David Sedl??ek wrote: > Hm, to tady nikdo nezameroval? Zitra to budem delat napotreti :-((. Na > zemi chodilo bez PL na 2.1m. To ohnisko je vazdne mensi nez 1mm a taky > ne moc intenzivni. Ale linka 1.1km snad musi s 130mm cockami fungovat, > ne? Take je zajimave, ze je (se mi zda) svetlo z vysilace stejne > intenzivni i o 20m (asi vic) od Ronji. Jaky by na konci mel byt rozptyl? > Nenasel by se nekdo, kdo je ochoten to skonzultovat treba pres ICQ? Fakt > nevim co dal.. Zameroval jsi to podle navodu? Je stred toho fleku na strane prijimace na prijimaci a nebo nekde o nekolik metru vedle? Cl< > > David Sedl??ek napsal(a): > > >Vim, ze uz to tu bylo nekolikrat, ale zatim jsem tomu nevenoval > >pozornost :-). Na strese uz mame nainstalovanou Ronju, od 4:00. > >Vysilac sel seridit zcela bezproblemove, jen prijimac dela problemy. > >Nastavit 1mm tecku do stredu ledky se nam uz skoro rano nepovedlo. > >Nema nekdo nejaky dobry napad, jak zamerovat (bez stitu...)? Kdyz uz > >to tam je, tak by bylo docela fajn zprovoznit to :-). > >Diky > > > > > > -- > Regards, David Sedl??ek > http://web.wifistar.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Aug 27 08:04:21 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Aug 27 08:03:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] P105 In-Reply-To: <20040827070027.GA12274@beton.cybernet.src> References: <911257697.20040826112445@volny.cz> <20040827063928.GC8321@beton.cybernet.src> <413331357.20040827085457@volny.cz> <20040827070027.GA12274@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <323895372.20040827090421@volny.cz> Hm, to je konstatovani situace, ale co s tim ? Ten proud se ztraci tim, ze nekam odteka pres odpor R109 - na nem je 0.8V Ondra KK> On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 08:54:57AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> Ten to nijak neovlivni. At tam je nebo neni situace se nemeni. Stale >> 1.6V KK> Tak ted uz je to trivialni - mas delic s 2 stejnejma odporama napajenej 12V a KK> uprostred neni 6V ale 1.6V. KK> Cl< >> >> Ondra >> >> KK> On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 11:24:45AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> >> Zdravim, >> >> nestalo se vam nekomu, ze mate na Rx v P105 jen 1.6V >> >> Mam tu dva takove exemplare a nevim kam se to napeti muze ztracet. >> >> Kdyz odpojim R109 tak tam tech 6V je. Tak jsem vymenil i NE592 ale >> >> situace zustava stejna. >> >> C105 prorazenej neni. >> >> KK> Vyletuj R108 a rekni, jak se napeti na P105 zmenilo. >> >> KK> Cl< >> >> >> >> Diky Ondra >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ronja mailing list >> >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> KK> _______________________________________________ >> KK> Ronja mailing list >> KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Fri Aug 27 11:43:35 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 11:43:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani In-Reply-To: <20040827070143.GB12274@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> <412D1AF1.7020007@sattnet.cz> <20040827070143.GB12274@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <412F1057.50406@sattnet.cz> Ano, zameroval. Mimochodem linka na 1125m. Ted se nam z toho povedlo vyzdimat ubohych 10mV - z vysilace z protejsi strany ke me na prijimac. Ohnisko by melo (je :-)) byt presne na stredu cocky, jelikoz hybanim do jinych smeru (i u Tx protejsku) uz se RSSI jen zmensovalo. Potreboval bych ale poradit s vysilaci, upozornuju ze mam jen multimetr, takze nemuzu merit zadne vf napeti. -Jde mi hlavne o testpoint P6, nameril jsem tam neco okolo 2.7V. Ale asi VF. Pomohla by zmena R8? Abysme docilili proudu na vysililaci diode asi 60mA, museli jsme uplne oddelat R11. Svit se subjektivne trochu zjasnil, ledka se vubec nehreje. Ja vidim zavadu nekde ve vysilaci, jinak si to vysvetlit nedokazu. Svit bych mohl vyfotit, ale obavam se, ze by to fotak asi zkreslil... Diky za jakykoliv hint Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > >Zameroval jsi to podle navodu? Je stred toho fleku na strane prijimace >na prijimaci a nebo nekde o nekolik metru vedle? > >Cl< > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Fri Aug 27 12:15:45 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 12:16:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani In-Reply-To: <412F1057.50406@sattnet.cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> <412D1AF1.7020007@sattnet.cz> <20040827070143.GB12274@beton.cybernet.src> <412F1057.50406@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <412F17E1.5050206@sattnet.cz> Navic jsem ted zjistil, ze prijimaci ledka blika presne v rytmu prenosu paketu ze vzdaleneho vysilace (pri 9mV RSSI, wow). Nevite teda, co bych mel delat s tim vysilacem? Precijen jet bez R11 mi prijde nekorektni :-). Navic na tuto vzdalenost bych cekal RSSI pres 200mV... David Sedl??ek napsal(a): > Ano, zameroval. Mimochodem linka na 1125m. Ted se nam z toho povedlo > vyzdimat ubohych 10mV - z vysilace z protejsi strany ke me na prijimac. > > Ohnisko by melo (je :-)) byt presne na stredu cocky, jelikoz hybanim > do jinych smeru (i u Tx protejsku) uz se RSSI jen zmensovalo. > > Potreboval bych ale poradit s vysilaci, upozornuju ze mam jen > multimetr, takze nemuzu merit zadne vf napeti. -Jde mi hlavne o > testpoint P6, nameril jsem tam neco okolo 2.7V. Ale asi VF. Pomohla by > zmena R8? > Abysme docilili proudu na vysililaci diode asi 60mA, museli jsme uplne > oddelat R11. Svit se subjektivne trochu zjasnil, ledka se vubec > nehreje. Ja vidim zavadu nekde ve vysilaci, jinak si to vysvetlit > nedokazu. > Svit bych mohl vyfotit, ale obavam se, ze by to fotak asi zkreslil... > > Diky za jakykoliv hint > > > Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > >> >> >> Zameroval jsi to podle navodu? Je stred toho fleku na strane prijimace >> na prijimaci a nebo nekde o nekolik metru vedle? >> >> Cl< >> >> > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Aug 27 19:44:24 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Aug 27 19:44:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] seliger twister ? In-Reply-To: <412ECD89.3040207@katka.biz> References: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> <412E693E.3050200@sattnet.cz> <412EBD46.60001@katka.biz> <412ECD89.3040207@katka.biz> Message-ID: <1093632263.412f8108008f7@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Pod destickou se skryvaji jen nejake SMD kondiky pro filtraci napajeni, jinak nic. Pres to UTP jeste jede takove sverazne PoE. Jedina vada na krase je chladic, stoji v GMe 80Kc a je tam jen proto aby se 7805 mohl pripajet primo na desku twistera a mel zaroven dobry kontakt s krabici. V nedeli vecer dodam rozpisku materialu. Petr Seliger Quoting Martin Polehla : > Ahoj, > tak brousim po galerii a narazil sem na tohle: > http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/pc_interface/seliger/TWISTER.jpg > > zajmalo by mne, co se skryva pod destickou (na ni), co sou pridelane bnc > konektory a utp [+ traficko(?)] ?? to je nejake vylepseni twistera ? > > btw. ta krabicka s konektorama a chladicem je moc pekna :)) > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Aug 27 19:47:05 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Aug 27 19:47:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? In-Reply-To: <20040827063349.GA8321@beton.cybernet.src> References: <18712004327.20040826172617@volny.cz> <002901c48b91$2c0ec220$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040827063349.GA8321@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1093632425.412f81a9a4b59@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Jeste muzou byt prepolovany zily UTPcka. Quoting Karel Kulhav? : > On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 07:21:49PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > no, j? mel probl?m pri testov?n? ten, ze se mi s?tovky pri prehazov?n? > > kabelu prep?naly(fd/hd, .. ?) > > Jak pri prehazovani kabelu? Pri rekonfiguraci na jine medium a nebo pri > vytazeni RJ45 a jeho opetovnem zastrceni? > > Cl< > > takze jsem to radsi vzdy po zmene kabel?ze nastavil znova > > > > Cipis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ondrej Tesar" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:26 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? > > > > > > > Zdravim, > > > Mam: PC-- Twister--Twister--switch > > > > > > Zapojim a jede to. Ale pokud chci ty twistry prohodit (vymenit kterej > > > pojede proti PC a kterej proti switchi tak se stane toto: > > > > > > Kdyz je nejdrive prejumpruju a pak prohodim sitove kabely, tak je to > > > OK. > > > Pokud ale nejdrive prohodim sitove kabely a pak teprve prejumpruju, > > > tak data neprojdou. > > > Nepomuze ani reset napajeni Twistru. > > > > > > Problem je, ze se to takto nechova vzdy, ale obcas se to da prehodit i > > > tim druhym zpusobem. > > > Ten prvni me naopak zatim nikdy nezklamal. > > > > > > Pokud to maze nekdo na stole v podobne konfiguraci, tak to prosim > > > overte, ale ja netusim, cim to muze byt. > > > > > > Takto se chovaji vsechny 4 ks, co mam momentalne k dispozici. > > > > > > Diky Ondra > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Fri Aug 27 19:50:23 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Fri Aug 27 19:50:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] P105 In-Reply-To: <323895372.20040827090421@volny.cz> References: <911257697.20040826112445@volny.cz> <20040827063928.GC8321@beton.cybernet.src> <413331357.20040827085457@volny.cz> <20040827070027.GA12274@beton.cybernet.src> <323895372.20040827090421@volny.cz> Message-ID: <1093632623.412f826fe9c71@desitka.sh.cvut.cz> Selze-li vsechno - zmer odpor tech odporu. Mozna narazis na vadny kus. Quoting Ondrej Tesar : > Hm, > to je konstatovani situace, ale co s tim ? > > Ten proud se ztraci tim, ze nekam odteka pres odpor R109 - na nem je > 0.8V > > Ondra > > KK> On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 08:54:57AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > >> Ten to nijak neovlivni. At tam je nebo neni situace se nemeni. Stale > >> 1.6V > > KK> Tak ted uz je to trivialni - mas delic s 2 stejnejma odporama napajenej > 12V a > KK> uprostred neni 6V ale 1.6V. > > KK> Cl< > >> > >> Ondra > >> > >> KK> On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 11:24:45AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > >> >> Zdravim, > >> >> nestalo se vam nekomu, ze mate na Rx v P105 jen 1.6V > >> >> Mam tu dva takove exemplare a nevim kam se to napeti muze ztracet. > >> >> Kdyz odpojim R109 tak tam tech 6V je. Tak jsem vymenil i NE592 ale > >> >> situace zustava stejna. > >> >> C105 prorazenej neni. > >> > >> KK> Vyletuj R108 a rekni, jak se napeti na P105 zmenilo. > >> > >> KK> Cl< > >> >> > >> >> Diky Ondra > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Ronja mailing list > >> >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> KK> _______________________________________________ > >> KK> Ronja mailing list > >> KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 27 19:57:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 19:58:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani In-Reply-To: <412F17E1.5050206@sattnet.cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> <412D1AF1.7020007@sattnet.cz> <20040827070143.GB12274@beton.cybernet.src> <412F1057.50406@sattnet.cz> <412F17E1.5050206@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040827185758.GA201@beton.cybernet.src> > >Ano, zameroval. Mimochodem linka na 1125m. Ted se nam z toho povedlo > >vyzdimat ubohych 10mV - z vysilace z protejsi strany ke me na prijimac. > > > >Ohnisko by melo (je :-)) byt presne na stredu cocky, jelikoz hybanim > >do jinych smeru (i u Tx protejsku) uz se RSSI jen zmensovalo. > > > >Potreboval bych ale poradit s vysilaci, upozornuju ze mam jen > >multimetr, takze nemuzu merit zadne vf napeti. -Jde mi hlavne o > >testpoint P6, nameril jsem tam neco okolo 2.7V. Ale asi VF. Pomohla by > >zmena R8? > >Abysme docilili proudu na vysililaci diode asi 60mA, museli jsme uplne > >oddelat R11. Svit se subjektivne trochu zjasnil, ledka se vubec > >nehreje. Ja vidim zavadu nekde ve vysilaci, jinak si to vysvetlit > >nedokazu. No to asi jo. Popis zda je neco odlisne od navodu a pokud ano tak presne co. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 27 19:59:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 19:59:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] P105 In-Reply-To: <323895372.20040827090421@volny.cz> References: <911257697.20040826112445@volny.cz> <20040827063928.GC8321@beton.cybernet.src> <413331357.20040827085457@volny.cz> <20040827070027.GA12274@beton.cybernet.src> <323895372.20040827090421@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040827185956.GB201@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:04:21AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Hm, > to je konstatovani situace, ale co s tim ? > > Ten proud se ztraci tim, ze nekam odteka pres odpor R109 - na nem je > 0.8V Aha tak to je bud v haji U101 a nebo je to spatne sletovany a nebo je prozkratovanej C156. Cl< > > Ondra > > KK> On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 08:54:57AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > >> Ten to nijak neovlivni. At tam je nebo neni situace se nemeni. Stale > >> 1.6V > > KK> Tak ted uz je to trivialni - mas delic s 2 stejnejma odporama napajenej 12V a > KK> uprostred neni 6V ale 1.6V. > > KK> Cl< > >> > >> Ondra > >> > >> KK> On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 11:24:45AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > >> >> Zdravim, > >> >> nestalo se vam nekomu, ze mate na Rx v P105 jen 1.6V > >> >> Mam tu dva takove exemplare a nevim kam se to napeti muze ztracet. > >> >> Kdyz odpojim R109 tak tam tech 6V je. Tak jsem vymenil i NE592 ale > >> >> situace zustava stejna. > >> >> C105 prorazenej neni. > >> > >> KK> Vyletuj R108 a rekni, jak se napeti na P105 zmenilo. > >> > >> KK> Cl< > >> >> > >> >> Diky Ondra > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Ronja mailing list > >> >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> KK> _______________________________________________ > >> KK> Ronja mailing list > >> KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From pulytr at seznam.cz Fri Aug 27 20:17:21 2004 From: pulytr at seznam.cz (Petr Neumann) Date: Fri Aug 27 20:17:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Trubka ? Message-ID: <20040827191723.ABA8E195D83@relay.inway.cz> Dotaz na trubku :) Muze se pouzit 130 trubka v celku na 1,1 km ?! Nebo to stiniko musi byt vetsi ?! Neco jako je foto od Airborna http://images.twibright.com/tns/6a9.html To mi pride jako nejlepsi reseni :) ------------- daląí část --------------- HTML příloha byla odstraněna... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040827/f12c90fb/attachment.htm From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 27 20:31:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 20:31:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Trubka ? In-Reply-To: <20040827191723.ABA8E195D83@relay.inway.cz> References: <20040827191723.ABA8E195D83@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: <20040827193109.GA383@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:17:21PM +0200, Petr Neumann wrote: > Dotaz na trubku :) > > Muze se pouzit 130 trubka v celku na 1,1 km ?! Muze, ale ne plastova. Cl< > > Nebo to stiniko musi byt vetsi ?! > > Neco jako je foto od Airborna http://images.twibright.com/tns/6a9.html > > To mi pride jako nejlepsi reseni :) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Fri Aug 27 20:00:26 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Fri Aug 27 22:04:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Trubka ? In-Reply-To: <20040827193109.GA383@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040827191723.ABA8E195D83@relay.inway.cz> <20040827193109.GA383@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <412F84CA.8060506@host.sk> Clock, mas nejake presne oznacenie tych trubiek ktore sa hodia na stavbu Myslim kovove. Feronu mame aj v Bratislave a rad by som presne vedel co idem kupovat. Doteraz sme robili instalacie s plastovymi a je to v pohode, ale na kratke vzdialenosti. Diki m. Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:17:21PM +0200, Petr Neumann wrote: > > >>Dotaz na trubku :) >> >>Muze se pouzit 130 trubka v celku na 1,1 km ?! >> >> > >Muze, ale ne plastova. > >Cl< > > >>Nebo to stiniko musi byt vetsi ?! >> >>Neco jako je foto od Airborna http://images.twibright.com/tns/6a9.html >> >>To mi pride jako nejlepsi reseni :) >> >> >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.851 (20040827) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From clock at twibright.com Fri Aug 27 22:06:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Aug 27 22:07:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Trubka ? In-Reply-To: <412F84CA.8060506@host.sk> References: <20040827191723.ABA8E195D83@relay.inway.cz> <20040827193109.GA383@beton.cybernet.src> <412F84CA.8060506@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040827210653.GB1200@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:00:26PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > Clock, mas nejake presne oznacenie tych trubiek ktore sa hodia na stavbu > Myslim kovove. Feronu mame aj v Bratislave a rad by som presne vedel co > idem kupovat. Doteraz sme robili instalacie s plastovymi a je to v > pohode, ale na kratke vzdialenosti. Jsou to kourove trubky ke kamnum. Cl< > > Diki > > m. > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > >On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:17:21PM +0200, Petr Neumann wrote: > > > > > >>Dotaz na trubku :) > >> > >>Muze se pouzit 130 trubka v celku na 1,1 km ?! > >> > >> > > > >Muze, ale ne plastova. > > > >Cl< > > > > > >>Nebo to stiniko musi byt vetsi ?! > >> > >>Neco jako je foto od Airborna http://images.twibright.com/tns/6a9.html > >> > >>To mi pride jako nejlepsi reseni :) > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >__________ NOD32 1.851 (20040827) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Aug 27 22:52:36 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Aug 27 22:52:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? References: <18712004327.20040826172617@volny.cz><002901c48b91$2c0ec220$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20040827063349.GA8321@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003d01c48c80$2a591440$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> pri vytazeni a zasunuti :-) proste sitovka ztratila link, pak se ji zase obnovil, tak si to nadetekovala po sv?m... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? > On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 07:21:49PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > no, j? mel probl?m pri testov?n? ten, ze se mi s?tovky pri prehazov?n? > > kabelu prep?naly(fd/hd, .. ?) > > Jak pri prehazovani kabelu? Pri rekonfiguraci na jine medium a nebo pri > vytazeni RJ45 a jeho opetovnem zastrceni? > > Cl< > > takze jsem to radsi vzdy po zmene kabel?ze nastavil znova > > > > Cipis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ondrej Tesar" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:26 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] twistr haluzi? > > > > > > > Zdravim, > > > Mam: PC-- Twister--Twister--switch > > > > > > Zapojim a jede to. Ale pokud chci ty twistry prohodit (vymenit kterej > > > pojede proti PC a kterej proti switchi tak se stane toto: > > > > > > Kdyz je nejdrive prejumpruju a pak prohodim sitove kabely, tak je to > > > OK. > > > Pokud ale nejdrive prohodim sitove kabely a pak teprve prejumpruju, > > > tak data neprojdou. > > > Nepomuze ani reset napajeni Twistru. > > > > > > Problem je, ze se to takto nechova vzdy, ale obcas se to da prehodit i > > > tim druhym zpusobem. > > > Ten prvni me naopak zatim nikdy nezklamal. > > > > > > Pokud to maze nekdo na stole v podobne konfiguraci, tak to prosim > > > overte, ale ja netusim, cim to muze byt. > > > > > > Takto se chovaji vsechny 4 ks, co mam momentalne k dispozici. > > > > > > Diky Ondra > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Aug 28 10:10:53 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sat Aug 28 10:11:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani In-Reply-To: <20040827185758.GA201@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> <412D1AF1.7020007@sattnet.cz> <20040827070143.GB12274@beton.cybernet.src> <412F1057.50406@sattnet.cz> <412F17E1.5050206@sattnet.cz> <20040827185758.GA201@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <41304C1D.9090000@sattnet.cz> Elektronika je presne dle navodu, akorat pouzit BF998 a MMBT3904 v SMD, ale testovano na koberci a chodilo to na 2.2m bez PL skoro plnych 20Mbit. A namisto R8 27k dal 22k.. Akorat se u jednoho vysilace namisto R7 27ohm asi 32ohm. Jinak vsude jsou pouzity 130mm cocky, nepatrne spinave (lip ocistit nejde). Napeti na modulech 11.5-11.6V. Co bych mel zkusit zmenit? Zmerit? Diky, chtel bych to uz zprovoznit :-( Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > >No to asi jo. Popis zda je neco odlisne od navodu a pokud ano tak >presne co. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Aug 28 11:25:48 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgU2VkbMOhxI1law==?=) Date: Sat Aug 28 11:26:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Zamerovani In-Reply-To: <41304C1D.9090000@sattnet.cz> References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> <412D1AF1.7020007@sattnet.cz> <20040827070143.GB12274@beton.cybernet.src> <412F1057.50406@sattnet.cz> <412F17E1.5050206@sattnet.cz> <20040827185758.GA201@beton.cybernet.src> <41304C1D.9090000@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <41305DAC.5000309@sattnet.cz> Jinak radsi preferuju SILC, pokud bys mel cas, tak se tam please ukaz :-). Tohle je v me situaci moc pomale. David Sedl??ek napsal(a): > Elektronika je presne dle navodu, akorat pouzit BF998 a MMBT3904 v > SMD, ale testovano na koberci a chodilo to na 2.2m bez PL skoro plnych > 20Mbit. A namisto R8 27k dal 22k.. Akorat se u jednoho vysilace > namisto R7 27ohm asi 32ohm. Jinak vsude jsou pouzity 130mm cocky, > nepatrne spinave (lip ocistit nejde). Napeti na modulech 11.5-11.6V. > Co bych mel zkusit zmenit? Zmerit? > Diky, chtel bych to uz zprovoznit :-( > > Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > >> >> No to asi jo. Popis zda je neco odlisne od navodu a pokud ano tak >> presne co. >> >> Cl< >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From mixaj at mymail.cz Sat Aug 28 11:50:35 2004 From: mixaj at mymail.cz (Jaroslav Mixa) Date: Sat Aug 28 11:50:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kdy toto navrhnete ;-) References: <20040818125119Z2328689-21643+64268@mail.centrum.cz> <003901c48546$7089cae0$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> <412D1AF1.7020007@sattnet.cz> <20040827070143.GB12274@beton.cybernet.src> <412F1057.50406@sattnet.cz> <412F17E1.5050206@sattnet.cz> <20040827185758.GA201@beton.cybernet.src><41304C1D.9090000@sattnet.cz> <41305DAC.5000309@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <002b01c48cec$d9cd56e0$fd02a8c0@diablo> http://www.laserbit.sk/htm/lasers/gigapronto.htm From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 28 12:26:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 28 12:26:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kdy toto navrhnete ;-) In-Reply-To: <002b01c48cec$d9cd56e0$fd02a8c0@diablo> References: <001801c48554$fc5e44c0$0101a8c0@cz> <602377958.20040825081854@volny.cz> <412C72F5.5080906@katka.biz> <412C4A67.2030006@sattnet.cz> <412D1AF1.7020007@sattnet.cz> <20040827070143.GB12274@beton.cybernet.src> <412F1057.50406@sattnet.cz> <412F17E1.5050206@sattnet.cz> <41305DAC.5000309@sattnet.cz> <002b01c48cec$d9cd56e0$fd02a8c0@diablo> Message-ID: <20040828112602.GA6083@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 12:50:35PM +0200, Jaroslav Mixa wrote: > http://www.laserbit.sk/htm/lasers/gigapronto.htm Az se udela 10Mbps laser a 100Mbps. BTW, porad tam visi ta infracervena Ronja :) http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php#ready Cl< From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 28 12:36:51 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 28 12:36:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jake konektory? Message-ID: <001101c48cf3$528a6680$02086b0a@atintel> Jake konektory byste doporucili misto cokolady v Twisterovi? Staci obyc "televizni" koax konektory nebo radsi BNC nebo jeste nejaky jiny? Koax mam RG 59. ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040828/8f79a6e0/attachment.htm From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Aug 28 12:55:40 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Aug 28 12:55:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] "=?iso-8859-2?q?vakuov=E1?=" ronja In-Reply-To: <412E693E.3050200@sattnet.cz> References: <20040826202753Z1301456-23099+35679@mail.centrum.cz> <412E693E.3050200@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <200408281355.41473.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Friday 27 August 2004 00:50, David Sedl??ek wrote: > No podle me to nikdy neutesnis tak, aby to drzelo nekolik let :-). Nehlede k tomu, ze by se ti ty roury tim podtlakem velmi pravdepodobne zkroutily. To je tak, kdyz mysli ten, kdo nic nevi. > > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > >pred chvili sem dostal napad. kdyz sem premysel jak moc dat silikagelu do > > tech trubek a tak. co kdyby se z tech trubek odsal vzduch? asi by to > > neslo uplne ale aspon trochu by tam ten podtlak byl,a mozna by to uvnitr > > min oxidovalo a tak, ne, kdyz by tam toho vzduchu nebylo tolik? > > > >ptate se jak? ihned se to dovite! : do trubky se ve vhodnem miste vyvrta > > dira cca 5mm. ze stare duse z kola se urizne ventilek i s kouskem guny. > > tento dil se tam ale vlepi naopak nez byste cekali. tj. ventilkem > > dovnitr. pak se este zhotovi naky sosak na kery se nasadi pumpa aby to > > slo vypumpovat. HM? :D > > > >myslite ze to ma smysl? > > > >-------------------- > >JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM > > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Aug 28 13:01:20 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Aug 28 13:01:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Uhlikove odpory In-Reply-To: <000b01c487d9$b4d6b740$02086b0a@atintel> References: <20040822120504.GB17465@beton.cybernet.src> <20040822144458.GB9546@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c487d9$b4d6b740$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <200408281401.20312.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Sunday 22 August 2004 01:50, Milan Korda wrote: > Muzu teda pouzit vsude 0.25W odpory? Nejjednodussi bude, kdyz si to spocitas :-) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Aug 28 13:28:00 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Aug 28 13:28:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jake konektory? In-Reply-To: <001101c48cf3$528a6680$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001101c48cf3$528a6680$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <20040828122800.GA6629@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 04:36:51AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: > Jake konektory byste doporucili misto cokolady v Twisterovi? Staci obyc > "televizni" koax konektory nebo radsi BNC nebo jeste nejaky jiny? Koax mam RG > 59. Zadne. Cokoladu. Cl< > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Aug 28 13:54:08 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Aug 28 13:55:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?ISO-8859-2?Q?"vakuov=E1"?= ronja Message-ID: <20040828125421Z1301979-23098+65347@mail.centrum.cz> ____________________________________________________________ > Od: Jakub Ladman > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:55:40 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] "vakuov?" ronja > > On Friday 27 August 2004 00:50, David Sedl??ek wrote: > > No podle me to nikdy neutesnis tak, aby to drzelo nekolik let :-). > Nehlede k tomu, ze by se ti ty roury tim podtlakem velmi pravdepodobne > zkroutily. > To je tak, kdyz mysli ten, kdo nic nevi. no tak to teda sory, ale chtel bych videt jak se ti krouti dejme tomu novodurova trubka kera ma stenu tlustou 2mm, kdyz z toho budes vzduch odsavat obyc pumpou na kola. ja verim ze je to asi blbost z toho ten vzduch vysavat, ale jestli mas v cele sklenenou cocku a vzadu napr. silonove vicko, a je dlouha...0,5m tak se nezkrouti ani za mak.... ja uznavam ze to byl asi blby napad, ale zas me nemusite hned povazovat ze totalniho debila... sory. > > > > > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): > > >pred chvili sem dostal napad. kdyz sem premysel jak moc dat silikagelu do > > > tech trubek a tak. co kdyby se z tech trubek odsal vzduch? asi by to > > > neslo uplne ale aspon trochu by tam ten podtlak byl,a mozna by to uvnitr > > > min oxidovalo a tak, ne, kdyz by tam toho vzduchu nebylo tolik? > > > > > >ptate se jak? ihned se to dovite! : do trubky se ve vhodnem miste vyvrta > > > dira cca 5mm. ze stare duse z kola se urizne ventilek i s kouskem guny. > > > tento dil se tam ale vlepi naopak nez byste cekali. tj. ventilkem > > > dovnitr. pak se este zhotovi naky sosak na kery se nasadi pumpa aby to > > > slo vypumpovat. HM? :D > > > > > >myslite ze to ma smysl? > > > > > >-------------------- > > >JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM > > > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From korda.m at seznam.cz Sat Aug 28 14:01:02 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sat Aug 28 14:01:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jake konektory? References: <001101c48cf3$528a6680$02086b0a@atintel> <20040828122800.GA6629@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c48cff$12bb4b30$02086b0a@atintel> Proc? Konektory snad nicemu nevadi, nebo jo? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jake konektory? > On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 04:36:51AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >> Jake konektory byste doporucili misto cokolady v Twisterovi? Staci obyc >> "televizni" koax konektory nebo radsi BNC nebo jeste nejaky jiny? Koax >> mam RG >> 59. > > Zadne. Cokoladu. > > Cl< >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jan.martinu at post.cz Sat Aug 28 15:53:38 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (=?UTF-8?B?SmFuIE1hcnRpbsWv?=) Date: Sat Aug 28 15:53:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jake konektory? In-Reply-To: <000701c48cff$12bb4b30$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001101c48cf3$528a6680$02086b0a@atintel> <20040828122800.GA6629@beton.cybernet.src> <000701c48cff$12bb4b30$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <41309C72.9000606@post.cz> Sroubovaci konektory "F" - snadna montaz na kabel bez pajeni, minimalni cena, pri spravne montazi se kabel z konektoru prakticky neda rucne vytrhnout (overeno), zadne problemy s oxidaci na rozhrani hlinik/med, odpadnou zcela problemy s montazi koaxu do "cokolady". Hlavni nevyhodou je, ze konektor s kladnym polem na stineni musi byt izolovan od krabicek (resim gumovou pruchodkou). Milan Korda napsal(a): > Proc? Konektory snad nicemu nevadi, nebo jo? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jake konektory? > > >> On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 04:36:51AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >> >>> Jake konektory byste doporucili misto cokolady v Twisterovi? Staci obyc >>> "televizni" koax konektory nebo radsi BNC nebo jeste nejaky jiny? >>> Koax mam RG >>> 59. >> >> >> Zadne. Cokoladu. >> >> Cl< >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Aug 29 14:20:43 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 29 14:20:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jake konektory? References: <001101c48cf3$528a6680$02086b0a@atintel> <20040828122800.GA6629@beton.cybernet.src><000701c48cff$12bb4b30$02086b0a@atintel> <41309C72.9000606@post.cz> Message-ID: <000501c48dca$fc8b6300$02086b0a@atintel> Uz na ne koukam, vypadaj dobre :) Myslis, ze jsou lepsi nez BNC? Muze mi nekdo rict proc je cokolada u twistra lepsi nez konektory? U RX a TX chapu, ze asi neni tak nachylna na korozi, ale to u twistra asi nehrozi... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Martin?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jake konektory? > Sroubovaci konektory "F" - snadna montaz na kabel bez pajeni, minimalni > cena, pri spravne montazi se kabel z konektoru prakticky neda rucne > vytrhnout (overeno), zadne problemy s oxidaci na rozhrani hlinik/med, > odpadnou zcela problemy s montazi koaxu do "cokolady". Hlavni nevyhodou > je, ze konektor s kladnym polem na stineni musi byt izolovan od krabicek > (resim gumovou pruchodkou). > > Milan Korda napsal(a): > >> Proc? Konektory snad nicemu nevadi, nebo jo? >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jake konektory? >> >> >>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 04:36:51AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >>> >>>> Jake konektory byste doporucili misto cokolady v Twisterovi? Staci obyc >>>> "televizni" koax konektory nebo radsi BNC nebo jeste nejaky jiny? Koax >>>> mam RG >>>> 59. >>> >>> >>> Zadne. Cokoladu. >>> >>> Cl< >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ronja mailing list >>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jan.martinu at post.cz Sun Aug 29 14:47:43 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (=?UTF-8?B?SmFuIE1hcnRpbsWv?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 14:47:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jake konektory? In-Reply-To: <000501c48dca$fc8b6300$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001101c48cf3$528a6680$02086b0a@atintel> <20040828122800.GA6629@beton.cybernet.src><000701c48cff$12bb4b30$02086b0a@atintel> <41309C72.9000606@post.cz> <000501c48dca$fc8b6300$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <4131DE7F.50703@post.cz> Ze "cokolada" nekoroduje je fama. BNC konektory se museji pajet nebo lisovat, Fka nikoli (mysleno na kabel). Milan Korda napsal(a): > Uz na ne koukam, vypadaj dobre :) Myslis, ze jsou lepsi nez BNC? > Muze mi nekdo rict proc je cokolada u twistra lepsi nez konektory? U > RX a TX chapu, ze asi neni tak nachylna na korozi, ale to u twistra > asi nehrozi... > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Martin?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 7:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jake konektory? > > >> Sroubovaci konektory "F" - snadna montaz na kabel bez pajeni, >> minimalni cena, pri spravne montazi se kabel z konektoru prakticky >> neda rucne vytrhnout (overeno), zadne problemy s oxidaci na rozhrani >> hlinik/med, odpadnou zcela problemy s montazi koaxu do "cokolady". >> Hlavni nevyhodou je, ze konektor s kladnym polem na stineni musi byt >> izolovan od krabicek (resim gumovou pruchodkou). >> >> Milan Korda napsal(a): >> >>> Proc? Konektory snad nicemu nevadi, nebo jo? >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" >>> >>> To: "Twibright Ronja" >>> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:28 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jake konektory? >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 04:36:51AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jake konektory byste doporucili misto cokolady v Twisterovi? Staci >>>>> obyc >>>>> "televizni" koax konektory nebo radsi BNC nebo jeste nejaky jiny? >>>>> Koax mam RG >>>>> 59. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Zadne. Cokoladu. >>>> >>>> Cl< >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ronja mailing list >>>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ronja mailing list >>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Aug 29 16:00:09 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 16:01:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaky kabel? Message-ID: <20040829150021Z1303685-23099+78585@mail.centrum.cz> zrovna testuju twistry a nevim jakym kablem je mam pripojit k PC. krizenym nebo nekrizenym? (mam tu 2 nekrizene a 1 krizeny, da se to nak zkombinovat?prestavit prepince?) dik -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From clock at twibright.com Sun Aug 29 16:21:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 16:21:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaky kabel? In-Reply-To: <20040829150021Z1303685-23099+78585@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040829150021Z1303685-23099+78585@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040829152148.GA27916@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 05:00:09PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > zrovna testuju twistry a nevim jakym kablem je mam pripojit k PC. krizenym > nebo nekrizenym? (mam tu 2 nekrizene a 1 krizeny, da se to nak > zkombinovat?prestavit prepince?) dik Tim co je soucasti Twistera. Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Aug 29 16:31:44 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 16:32:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaky kabel? Message-ID: <20040829153148Z1303796-23098+79386@mail.centrum.cz> ja sem si tam k tomu pridelal este RJ45 samici, ale soudim, ze z napr. sesteho pinu sit. karty ma jit na sesty pin te moji samice na tvistrovi (je zapojena podle toho tvojeho obrazku) takze 3. pin od hranateho padu na TS. takz nekrizeny, ze? :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:21:48 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] jaky kabel? > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 05:00:09PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?= wrote: > > zrovna testuju twistry a nevim jakym kablem je mam pripojit k PC. krizenym > > nebo nekrizenym? (mam tu 2 nekrizene a 1 krizeny, da se to nak > > zkombinovat?prestavit prepince?) dik > > Tim co je soucasti Twistera. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- P??jemn? design. P??jemn?j?? cena. SONY ERICSSON T105 ji? od 577 K?. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/handset.php?lang=cz§ion=&id=84 From korda.m at seznam.cz Sun Aug 29 16:44:34 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Sun Aug 29 16:44:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaky kabel? References: <20040829153148Z1303796-23098+79386@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000701c48ddf$15cdd190$02086b0a@atintel> Jednu stranu mas jasnou a druhou udelej podle tohodle http://www.zytrax.com/tech/lyer_1/cables/tech_lan.htm#color Je to "verze" B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Michn?k " To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] jaky kabel? ja sem si tam k tomu pridelal este RJ45 samici, ale soudim, ze z napr. sesteho pinu sit. karty ma jit na sesty pin te moji samice na tvistrovi (je zapojena podle toho tvojeho obrazku) takze 3. pin od hranateho padu na TS. takz nekrizeny, ze? :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:21:48 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] jaky kabel? > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 05:00:09PM +0200, Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk > ?= wrote: > > zrovna testuju twistry a nevim jakym kablem je mam pripojit k PC. > > krizenym > > nebo nekrizenym? (mam tu 2 nekrizene a 1 krizeny, da se to nak > > zkombinovat?prestavit prepince?) dik > > Tim co je soucasti Twistera. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- P??jemn? design. P??jemn?j?? cena. SONY ERICSSON T105 ji? od 577 K?. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/handset.php?lang=cz§ion=&id=84 _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From pulytr at seznam.cz Sun Aug 29 17:19:19 2004 From: pulytr at seznam.cz (Petr Neumann) Date: Sun Aug 29 17:19:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka_?= Message-ID: <20040829161931.E45F819AEF7@relay.inway.cz> Proc nemuzu pouzit plastovou trubku 130 ?! Jak tu nekdo psal ? ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040829/10ae672f/attachment.htm From kneza at poupe.net Sun Aug 29 17:22:24 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Sun Aug 29 17:22:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?! =?ISO-8859-2?Q?pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka_?= In-Reply-To: <20040829161931.E45F819AEF7@relay.inway.cz> References: <20040829161931.E45F819AEF7@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: <413202C0.6090509@poupe.net> V prve rade posilaj laskave plaintext maily. na html sr**y a comic sans neni nikdo zvedavej a blbe se archivuje pak historie (textova) maillistu. Osobne bych rekl ze kvuli chovani v teplu/zime - tj. teplotni roztaznost, deformace, apod... Na dlouhe spoje ti to troshku uhne a jsi hned o desitky metru jinde. Na kratke spoje proto plast moc nevadi. Kneza Petr Neumann wrote: > *Proc nemuzu pouzit plastovou trubku 130 ?! Jak tu nekdo psal ?* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From talpa at suchdol.net Sun Aug 29 18:37:40 2004 From: talpa at suchdol.net (=?windows-1250?Q?Ale=9A_Pavel?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 18:37:48 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka_?= In-Reply-To: <413202C0.6090509@poupe.net> Message-ID: <009801c48dee$e2552420$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Blbost pracuje ka=9Ed=FD material... Rici obecne: "nepouzit plastovou = trubku kvuli deformaci" je stejne jako rici nepouzit kov v ronje (jen proto=9Ee neobsahuje zlato:) Je toti=9E plast a plast. Kdyz je nekdo pip a pouzile rouru od hajzlu = tak at se nedivi. Nen=ED toti delana na slunce a jak tu zaznelo pracuje. Dobra trubka je ta co pouzil muj stary dobry a trubek znaly kamarad Pavel. Zarucuji ze pracuje m=E9n=EC nez jin=E9 materialy. http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000344.JPG http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000352.JPG http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000374.jpg http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000375.jpg Aldik =20 Kneza: > Osobne bych rekl ze kvuli chovani v teplu/zime - tj. teplotni=20 > roztaznost, deformace, apod... Na dlouhe spoje ti to troshku=20 > uhne a jsi=20 > hned o desitky metru jinde. Na kratke spoje proto plast moc nevadi. From talpa at suchdol.net Sun Aug 29 18:45:05 2004 From: talpa at suchdol.net (=?windows-1250?Q?Ale=9A_Pavel?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 18:45:07 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka_?= In-Reply-To: <009801c48dee$e2552420$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Message-ID: <009901c48def$eb5bf930$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Je=9At=EC jsem zapomnel rici, mohu je u kamose objednat, jen co to = poradne odladime(ma to je=9At=EC drobne konstrukcni vady). On dela strechy a tak = s trubkama ma velke zkusenosti, pouzil matros co udajne moc nepracuje a ja mu verim, dela s timhle materialem uz dlouho.=20 Tak klidne muzete predbezne projevit zajem na hromadnou objednavku, ja znej vydyndam cenu:-) (taky napiste t=F8eba vzdalenost na kterou bude Ronja pracovat kvuli delce mechaniky) Aldik =20 > Blbost pracuje ka=9Ed=FD material... Rici obecne: "nepouzit=20 > plastovou trubku kvuli deformaci" je stejne jako rici=20 > nepouzit kov v ronje (jen proto=9Ee neobsahuje zlato:) Je toti=9E=20 > plast a plast. Kdyz je nekdo pip a pouzile rouru od hajzlu=20 > tak at se nedivi. Nen=ED toti delana na slunce a jak tu zaznelo=20 > pracuje. Dobra trubka je ta co pouzil muj stary dobry a=20 > trubek znaly kamarad Pavel. Zarucuji ze pracuje m=E9n=EC nez jin=E9=20 > materialy. >=20 http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000344.JPG http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000352.JPG http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000374.jpg http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000375.jpg Aldik =20 Kneza: > Osobne bych rekl ze kvuli chovani v teplu/zime - tj. teplotni > roztaznost, deformace, apod... Na dlouhe spoje ti to troshku=20 > uhne a jsi=20 > hned o desitky metru jinde. Na kratke spoje proto plast moc nevadi. _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Sun Aug 29 18:53:14 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Sun Aug 29 18:53:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?!=?ISO-8859-2?Q?_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_?=trubka In-Reply-To: <009801c48dee$e2552420$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> References: <413202C0.6090509@poupe.net> <009801c48dee$e2552420$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Message-ID: <20040829175235.M6796@kihu.info> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:37:40 +0200, Ale? Pavel wrote > Blbost pracuje ka?d? material... Rici obecne: "nepouzit plastovou trubku > kvuli deformaci" je stejne jako rici nepouzit kov v ronje (jen > proto?e neobsahuje zlato:) Je toti? plast a plast. Kdyz je nekdo pip > a pouzile rouru od hajzlu tak at se nedivi. Nen? toti delana na > slunce a jak tu zaznelo pracuje. Dobra trubka je ta co pouzil muj > stary dobry a trubek znaly kamarad Pavel. Zarucuji ze pracuje m?n? > nez jin? materialy. > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000344.JPG > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000352.JPG > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000374.jpg > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000375.jpg > > Aldik Muzu se zeptat, jak se tento material jmenuje, kdyz ho pujdu koupit? ROOTen From talpa at suchdol.net Sun Aug 29 19:04:48 2004 From: talpa at suchdol.net (=?windows-1250?Q?Ale=9A_Pavel?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 19:04:50 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka_?= In-Reply-To: <20040829175235.M6796@kihu.info> Message-ID: <009a01c48df2$acd5eec0$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Jak jsem =F8ekl, zadal jsem to cloveku co tomu rozumi a o nic vic jsem = se nestaral...:-), ale muzu zjistit(ted je ale kamarad na slovensku). Nechces si to nechat rovnou od nej udelat?(Ja sam bych to nedelal ani za zlaty prase:-) > > trubek znaly kamarad Pavel. Zarucuji ze pracuje m=E9n=EC nez jin=E9=20 > > materialy. > >=20 > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000344.JPG > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000352.JPG > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000374.jpg > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000375.jpg > >=20 > > Aldik >=20 > Muzu se zeptat, jak se tento material jmenuje, kdyz ho pujdu koupit? >=20 > ROOTen >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Aug 29 19:05:59 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 19:06:06 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka_?= References: <413202C0.6090509@poupe.net><009801c48dee$e2552420$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <20040829175235.M6796@kihu.info> Message-ID: <000f01c48df2$d6d4f860$0103450a@thechosen> > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:37:40 +0200, Ale? Pavel wrote > > Blbost pracuje ka?d? material... Rici obecne: "nepouzit plastovou trubku > > kvuli deformaci" je stejne jako rici nepouzit kov v ronje (jen > > proto?e neobsahuje zlato:) Je toti? plast a plast. Kdyz je nekdo pip > > a pouzile rouru od hajzlu tak at se nedivi. Nen? toti delana na > > slunce a jak tu zaznelo pracuje. Dobra trubka je ta co pouzil muj > > stary dobry a trubek znaly kamarad Pavel. Zarucuji ze pracuje m?n? > > nez jin? materialy. > > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000344.JPG > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000352.JPG > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000374.jpg > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000375.jpg > > > > Aldik > > Muzu se zeptat, jak se tento material jmenuje, kdyz ho pujdu koupit? vypada to jako novodur :) BTW to je vase prvni ronja? podle me se vam zacne kroutit to slabe elko co pod rourou mate. ale nevim. Glo > ROOTen > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Aug 29 20:05:12 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 20:05:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cocka a jeji uhel Message-ID: <20040829190513Z1305372-23098+82437@mail.centrum.cz> mam doma 3 druhy cocek. uvazuju ktere jsou nejvhodnejsi na ronju. 1) vetnamska d=90mm uhel= 8,8 (stupnu) 2) vetnamska d=75mm uhel= 5,6 3)koupena nekde v optice d=65mm uhel= 9,7 (je to ta nejvetsi jakou meli, parametry si uz nepamatuju) vysvetlivky: d prumer uhel- uhel ze chci se zeptat ktera je nejvhodnejsi. -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Aug 29 20:05:15 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 20:05:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cocka a jeji uhel Message-ID: <20040829190529Z1305611-23097+82075@mail.centrum.cz> mam doma 3 druhy cocek. uvazuju ktere jsou nejvhodnejsi na ronju. 1) vetnamska d=90mm uhel= 8,8 (stupnu) 2) vetnamska d=75mm uhel= 5,6 3)koupena nekde v optice d=65mm uhel= 9,7 (je to ta nejvetsi jakou meli, parametry si uz nepamatuju) vysvetlivky: d prumer uhel- uhel ze ktereho chci se zeptat ktera je nejvhodnejsi. --------------- Po po??dn?m tr?ninku SVE? SOUBOJ o medaili po s?ti! Prav? z?bava p?ich?z? na http://ateny2004.centrum.cz From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Aug 29 20:05:08 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 20:05:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cocka a jeji uhel Message-ID: <20040829190510Z1304959-23096+81373@mail.centrum.cz> mam doma 3 druhy cocek. uvazuju ktere jsou nejvhodnejsi na ronju. 1) vetnamska d=90mm uhel= 8,8 (stupnu) 2) vetnamska d=75mm uhel= 5,6 3)koupena nekde v optice d=65mm uhel= 9,7 (je to ta nejvetsi jakou meli, parametry si uz nepamatuju) vysvetlivky: d prumer uhel- chci se zeptat ktera je nejvhodnejsi. -------------------- JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Aug 29 20:13:49 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 20:15:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cocka a jeji uhel Message-ID: <20040829191401Z1304801-23096+81480@mail.centrum.cz> kurnik. nakym nedopatrenim sem to poslal. a etejne to bylo blbe takze znova" :) 1) vietnam 90mm uhel=17,6 2) vietnam 75mm uhel=11,2 3) koupena nekde v optice 65mm uhel=19,4 ze vsech cocek se mi jevi nejpouzitelnejsi ta 3. ma sice malou plochu,ale svetlo pojme z pomerne velkeho uhlu(mala ohniskova vzdalenost). nebo mam pouzit radeji tu 90mm? mluvim o vysilaci, na primac dam samozrejme tu nejvetsi. rozumite mi? chci abyste mi to schvalili/zavrhli, nehci udelat nakou blbost:) este pripojuji obrazek http://sweb.cz/kubik.i/Muj%20Twister/DSCN2656.JPG ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040829/81e0c36e/attachment.htm From talpa at suchdol.net Sun Aug 29 20:54:10 2004 From: talpa at suchdol.net (=?windows-1250?Q?Ale=9A_Pavel?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 20:54:14 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka_?= In-Reply-To: <000f01c48df2$d6d4f860$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <00a201c48e01$f49ae580$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Vypada hodne slabe, ale slabe nen=ED.. Ono to trochu na ty fotce zkresluje... Nemyslim ze by se m=EClo kroutit, ono to bude je=9At=EC o 30 cm taky = kratsi (je to jeden z tech drobnych nedostatku o kterych jsem mluvil) A je to velmi lehky.. >=20 >=20 > > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:37:40 +0200, Ale=9A Pavel wrote > > > Blbost pracuje ka=9Ed=FD material... Rici obecne: "nepouzit = plastovou=20 > > > trubku kvuli deformaci" je stejne jako rici nepouzit kov v ronje=20 > > > (jen proto=9Ee neobsahuje zlato:) Je toti=9E plast a plast. Kdyz = je=20 > > > nekdo pip a pouzile rouru od hajzlu tak at se nedivi. Nen=ED toti=20 > > > delana na slunce a jak tu zaznelo pracuje. Dobra trubka je ta co=20 > > > pouzil muj stary dobry a trubek znaly kamarad Pavel. Zarucuji ze=20 > > > pracuje m=E9n=EC nez jin=E9 materialy. > > > > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000344.JPG > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000352.JPG > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000374.jpg > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000375.jpg > > > > > > Aldik > > > > Muzu se zeptat, jak se tento material jmenuje, kdyz ho pujdu koupit? >=20 > vypada to jako novodur :) >=20 > BTW to je vase prvni ronja? podle me se vam zacne kroutit to=20 > slabe elko co pod rourou mate. ale nevim. >=20 > Glo >=20 > > ROOTen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net=20 > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >=20 From pavkriz at gybon.cz Sun Aug 29 21:53:20 2004 From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz) Date: Sun Aug 29 21:56:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] P6 Message-ID: <41324240.3060808@gybon.cz> Ahojda, mam sestavu AUI+RX+TX (vsechno airwire) a mam problem vyladit bod P6 v TX. Ostatni body v TX bez signalu sedi, akorat P6 mam uplne vedle - jsou na nem cca 3V a vliv zmeny R8 je velmi zanedbatelny (pohybuje s P6 v radech desitek az stovek milivoltu). Hruby dosah cele soustavy je cca 2,2m. Pak behem cca 10cm to jde do kytek. Merim odrazem od zrcadla velikosti formatu A2. Hranicni hodnota RSSI kdy to prestava behat je kolem 78mV. Predem diky za pomoc, Pavel From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Aug 29 21:58:43 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Aug 29 21:59:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] vytapeni cocek Message-ID: <20040829205847Z1304884-23099+83465@mail.centrum.cz> na http://ronja.twibright.com/tubular_head_90/material_cz.php je psane ze " 4 ks. rezistor? 8.2 Ohm (oby?ejn?, ne SMD, pro b??n? zat??en?). Jsou zde pro 12V zdroj vyt?p?n? a RX a TX hlavy v s?rii. Ka?d? hlavice dost?v? 1.125W tepla. P?epo??tej je pro jin? zapojen? (paraleln?, v?ce Ronj v s?rii, v?ce Ronj paraleln? atd.) nebo pro jin? nap?jen?. " at pocitam jak pocitam, nikdy mi nevyjde tech 1,125W....:(.... a pak, neni to malo? ja kdybych to mel tipnout tak jich tam dam...aspon 20W.... to fakt staci vytopit i ve 30stupnovem mraze? pak mam dotaz na ty vicka keryma sou ucpane ty trubky. co to sou za? nake spesl na trubky, nebo neco obyc? kde se daji sehnat? ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20040829/1e46ca5f/attachment.htm From bratrk at centrum.cz Sun Aug 29 23:27:09 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Sun Aug 29 23:27:07 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka_?= References: <00a201c48e01$f49ae580$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Message-ID: <003001c48e17$53053a20$020a210a@marekbk> Podle toho jak ta trubka http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG vypada bych si to troufnul odhadnout na PVC-U (nas znamy novodur) trubku = na z=E1chody spojovan=E9 lepen=EDm. Tento materi=E1l je ur=E8en=FD pro odpad= n=ED vody ne teplej=9A=ED ne=9E 60 stC Tvarova stalost je cca do 60 stC tzn. daji se = tvatrovat tak ze ji strcis do vrouci vody. Tepelna roztaznost PVC-U cca 0,06-0,09 (mm/m * stC) coz dava zmeny delky = 1 m trubky pri 80 st ( na coz se pri slunecnem dni ta trubka urcite rozpali) cca 6 mm. Kdyz budem pocitat i zimu tak bude delka pracovat v rozmezi 6-9= mm v prubehu roku. Pak jsou jeste PP (polypropylen), ty maji kratkodobe pouziti do 95 stC, tvarova stalost do 90 stC. tep roztaznost je 0.15 (mm/m * stC), takze se pohybujem v rozmezi 15 mm. Oba typy bezne dostupne v Obi.. Jeste tu je HD-PE (tvrdy). Tvarova stalost do 60 stC. Ten ma tep. roztazn= ost 0,2 (mm/m * stC). to nam dava rozsah nejakych 20 mm. Vsechny "bezne" plasty maji tepelnou roztaznost na jednom metru pri rozdi= lu 100 stC ca 6-20 mm. Z jineho materialu nez co jsem psal se vlastne ani bezne dostupne trubky nedelaji. Ze systemu ukotveni trubek na drzak ( ohnute L ) to odhaduju na pouziti na/do 400 m coz si myslim bude fungovat. Pokud nekdo pouziva plastove trubky, tak navrhuji je zakryt jeste plechem proti primemu dopadu slunecnich paprsku, cim se snizi ta maximalni teplot= a. Pokud tomu Pavel rozumi tak vybral nejlepe jak mohl, pokud ne, tak mel proste stesti na to co meli v krame.... Na druhou stranu PVC na slunci nejvice degraduje... bk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ale=9A Pavel" To: "'Michal Mal=F9=9Aek'" ; "'Twibright Ronja'" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: RE: [Ronja] ?! pro=E8 ne plastov=E1 trubka > Vypada hodne slabe, ale slabe nen=ED.. Ono to trochu na ty fotce > zkresluje... > Nemyslim ze by se m=EClo kroutit, ono to bude je=9At=EC o 30 cm taky kr= atsi > (je to jeden z tech drobnych nedostatku o kterych jsem mluvil) > A je to velmi lehky.. > > > > > > > > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:37:40 +0200, Ale=9A Pavel wrote > > > > Blbost pracuje ka=9Ed=FD material... Rici obecne: "nepouzit plast= ovou > > > > trubku kvuli deformaci" je stejne jako rici nepouzit kov v ronje > > > > (jen proto=9Ee neobsahuje zlato:) Je toti=9E plast a plast. Kdyz = je > > > > nekdo pip a pouzile rouru od hajzlu tak at se nedivi. Nen=ED toti > > > > delana na slunce a jak tu zaznelo pracuje. Dobra trubka je ta co > > > > pouzil muj stary dobry a trubek znaly kamarad Pavel. Zarucuji ze > > > > pracuje m=E9n=EC nez jin=E9 materialy. > > > > > > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG > > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000344.JPG > > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000352.JPG > > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000374.jpg > > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000375.jpg > > > > > > > > Aldik > > > > > > Muzu se zeptat, jak se tento material jmenuje, kdyz ho pujdu koupit= ? > > > > vypada to jako novodur :) > > > > BTW to je vase prvni ronja? podle me se vam zacne kroutit to > > slabe elko co pod rourou mate. ale nevim. > > > > Glo > > > > > ROOTen > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From talpa at suchdol.net Mon Aug 30 00:51:37 2004 From: talpa at suchdol.net (=?windows-1250?Q?Ale=9A_Pavel?=) Date: Mon Aug 30 00:51:52 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka_?= In-Reply-To: <003001c48e17$53053a20$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <00a901c48e23$26a73b70$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Tak takovou prednasku bych si nedovolil udelat (nemam na to ani vzdelani ani inteligenci:), Jedno mi ale Pavel rikal,ze tenhle material na slunci vydrzi proto=9Ee = je pry na nej delanej.=20 Pavel tomu rozumi, tim jsem si jisty. Barva pry to sichruje. Aldik > Podle toho jak ta trubka=20 > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG > vypada bych si to troufnul odhadnout na PVC-U (nas znamy=20 > novodur) trubku na z=E1chody spojovan=E9 lepen=EDm. Tento materi=E1l=20 > je ur=E8en=FD pro odpadn=ED vody ne teplej=9A=ED ne=9E 60 stC Tvarova = > stalost je cca do 60 stC tzn. daji se tvatrovat tak ze ji=20 > strcis do vrouci vody. Tepelna roztaznost PVC-U cca 0,06-0,09=20 > (mm/m * stC) coz dava zmeny delky 1 m trubky pri 80 st ( na=20 > coz se pri slunecnem dni ta trubka urcite rozpali) cca 6 mm.=20 > Kdyz budem pocitat i zimu tak bude delka pracovat v rozmezi=20 > 6-9 mm v prubehu roku. >=20 > Pak jsou jeste PP (polypropylen), ty maji kratkodobe pouziti=20 > do 95 stC, tvarova stalost do 90 stC. tep roztaznost je 0.15=20 > (mm/m * stC), takze se pohybujem v rozmezi 15 mm. >=20 > Oba typy bezne dostupne v Obi.. >=20 > Jeste tu je HD-PE (tvrdy). Tvarova stalost do 60 stC. Ten ma=20 > tep. roztaznost 0,2 (mm/m * stC). to nam dava rozsah nejakych 20 mm. >=20 > Vsechny "bezne" plasty maji tepelnou roztaznost na jednom=20 > metru pri rozdilu 100 stC ca 6-20 mm. >=20 > Z jineho materialu nez co jsem psal se vlastne ani bezne=20 > dostupne trubky nedelaji. Ze systemu ukotveni trubek na drzak=20 > ( ohnute L ) to odhaduju na pouziti na/do 400 m coz si myslim=20 > bude fungovat. >=20 > Pokud nekdo pouziva plastove trubky, tak navrhuji je zakryt=20 > jeste plechem proti primemu dopadu slunecnich paprsku, cim se=20 > snizi ta maximalni teplota. >=20 > Pokud tomu Pavel rozumi tak vybral nejlepe jak mohl, pokud=20 > ne, tak mel proste stesti na to co meli v krame.... Na druhou=20 > stranu PVC na slunci nejvice degraduje... >=20 > bk >=20 From koala at vju.cz Mon Aug 30 08:36:52 2004 From: koala at vju.cz (Ondrej Koala Vacha) Date: Mon Aug 30 08:37:43 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka_?= In-Reply-To: <003001c48e17$53053a20$020a210a@marekbk> References: <00a201c48e01$f49ae580$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <003001c48e17$53053a20$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, bratrk wrote: > Podle toho jak ta trubka http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG > vypada bych si to troufnul odhadnout na PVC-U (nas znamy novodur) trubku na Nevim, muze to byt i neco, co vypada jako novodur, ale je to neco lepsiho. Rad se dozvim nazev, az to bude mozne. Nebo je mozne i nadhodit cenu, za kterou by to ten znamy udelal? -- Ondrej Koala Vacha From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Mon Aug 30 08:43:06 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Mon Aug 30 08:58:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cocka a jeji uhel Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB48A913@vestex01.vest.corp> > vysvetlivky: d prumer > uhel- > chci se zeptat ktera je nejvhodnejsi. > > -------------------- > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To sedi :-))) -- Kosac From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Aug 30 10:01:51 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Aug 30 10:02:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cocka a jeji uhel Message-ID: <20040830090208Z1305061-23099+92310@mail.centrum.cz> no, ale stejne nevim kera je teda lepsi :) ale uz sem se rozhod. na Rx 90mm a na Tx 65mm ______________________________________________________________ > Od: > Komu: > Datum: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:43:06 +0200 > P?edm?t: RE: [Ronja] cocka a jeji uhel > > > vysvetlivky: d prumer > > uhel- > > chci se zeptat ktera je nejvhodnejsi. > > > > -------------------- > > JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > To sedi :-))) > -- > Kosac > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- P?ipravte se! Je tu ?kola. Nav?tivte v?as Pal?c Fl?ra. Od 20.srpna do 5.z??? prob?h? v Pal?ci Fl?ra speci?ln? trh ?koln?ch pot?eb. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.palacflora.com From jmi at atlas.cz Mon Aug 30 11:14:32 2004 From: jmi at atlas.cz (jmi) Date: Mon Aug 30 11:14:38 2004 Subject: =?Windows-1250?B?UmVbMl06IFtSb25qYV0gPyEgcHJv6CBuZSBwbGFzdG924SB0cnVia2E=?= In-Reply-To: <00a201c48e01$f49ae580$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> References: <000f01c48df2$d6d4f860$0103450a@thechosen> <00a201c48e01$f49ae580$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Message-ID: <1542049481.20040830121432@atlas.cz> nejde ani tak o vahu, ale co taky poriadny vietor ked sa do toho oprie > Vypada hodne slabe, ale slabe nen=ED.. Ono to trochu na ty fotce > zkresluje... > Nemyslim ze by se m=EClo kroutit, ono to bude je=9At=EC o 30 cm taky kr= atsi > (je to jeden z tech drobnych nedostatku o kterych jsem mluvil) > A je to velmi lehky.. >>=20 >>=20 >> > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:37:40 +0200, Ale=9A Pavel wrote >> > > Blbost pracuje ka=9Ed=FD material... Rici obecne: "nepouzit plasto= vou >> > > trubku kvuli deformaci" je stejne jako rici nepouzit kov v ronje >> > > (jen proto=9Ee neobsahuje zlato:) Je toti=9E plast a plast. Kdyz j= e >> > > nekdo pip a pouzile rouru od hajzlu tak at se nedivi. Nen=ED toti >> > > delana na slunce a jak tu zaznelo pracuje. Dobra trubka je ta co >> > > pouzil muj stary dobry a trubek znaly kamarad Pavel. Zarucuji ze >> > > pracuje m=E9n=EC nez jin=E9 materialy. >> > > >> > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG >> > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000344.JPG >> > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000352.JPG >> > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000374.jpg >> > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000375.jpg >> > > >> > > Aldik >> > >> > Muzu se zeptat, jak se tento material jmenuje, kdyz ho pujdu koupit? >>=20 >> vypada to jako novodur :) >>=20 >> BTW to je vase prvni ronja? podle me se vam zacne kroutit to=20 >> slabe elko co pod rourou mate. ale nevim. >>=20 >> Glo >>=20 >> > ROOTen >> > From gareth at sublime.org Mon Aug 30 11:49:50 2004 From: gareth at sublime.org (Gareth Coleman) Date: Mon Aug 30 11:48:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] trouble emailing karel and ronja at twibright anyone? Message-ID: <4133064E.7020909@sublime.org> I am trying to message Clock by email - my messages keep getting bounced with 550 errors about relaying not allowed. I tried using my webmail and that got bounced too - with an error about my IP address being possible forged! It's been like this for several hours for me - does anyone else have the same problem? Clock are you home? I'm not a spammer, honest. Sorry to use the list like this - admins please delete this message when you see it! Regards Gareth From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Aug 30 12:30:33 2004 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Aug 30 12:30:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] trouble emailing karel and ronja at twibright anyone? Message-ID: <20040830113033.GA1616@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> We had a lightning storm here and almost all our local network burned out. It is going to take probably several day to repair. Cl< From maco at host.sk Mon Aug 30 11:23:57 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Mon Aug 30 13:22:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?! =?UTF-8?B?cHJvxI0gbmUgcGxhc3RvdsOhIHRydWJrYQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1542049481.20040830121432@atlas.cz> References: <000f01c48df2$d6d4f860$0103450a@thechosen> <00a201c48e01$f49ae580$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <1542049481.20040830121432@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <4133003D.8070803@host.sk> Ja neviem, ale mne sa zda najdolezitejsi fakt ten, ze plechova trubka ovela lepsie odraza el-mag vlnenie ako plastova. Mame sice spravene zatial vsetko cez plast, ale na dhle spoje by som to neriskoval. Do toho zahrnujem aj UW, WiFi, laser a neviem co vsetko. Je mi divne, ze sa bavite preve o roztaznosti. btw kov v takej dlzke by mal mat nepomerne vyssie odolne vlastnosti voci pocasiu ako plast. PVC-U je sice fajn, ale ked vam na to bude svietit slnko a ten plast nebude UW upraveny, tak sa bude lamat a bude krehky. Tie vlastnosti maju skoro vsetky polyadovane marialy. Taktiez zmena letnych pneumatik na aute a zimne - to nie je len otazka dezenu, je to aj otazka krehkosti a roztaznosti materialu v roznych teplotnych podmienkach. Letne pneumatiky v zime krehnu, teda sa okrem ineho smykaju. A zimne pneumatiky v lete maju vysoku roztaznost, co sposobuje vacsiu prilnavost k vozovke a tym vacsia spotreba motoru. Neviem, ci by som robil tie trubky z plastu - akehokolvek - plasty su relativne nova technologia tak tazko povedat :) (teda co sa tyka dlhych prepojov) m. jmi wrote: >nejde ani tak o vahu, ale co taky poriadny vietor ked sa do toho oprie > > > >>Vypada hodne slabe, ale slabe nen?.. Ono to trochu na ty fotce >>zkresluje... >>Nemyslim ze by se m?lo kroutit, ono to bude je?t? o 30 cm taky kratsi >>(je to jeden z tech drobnych nedostatku o kterych jsem mluvil) >>A je to velmi lehky.. >> >> > > > >>> >>> >>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:37:40 +0200, Ale? Pavel wrote >>>> >>>> >>>>>Blbost pracuje ka?d? material... Rici obecne: "nepouzit plastovou >>>>>trubku kvuli deformaci" je stejne jako rici nepouzit kov v ronje >>>>>(jen proto?e neobsahuje zlato:) Je toti? plast a plast. Kdyz je >>>>>nekdo pip a pouzile rouru od hajzlu tak at se nedivi. Nen? toti >>>>>delana na slunce a jak tu zaznelo pracuje. Dobra trubka je ta co >>>>>pouzil muj stary dobry a trubek znaly kamarad Pavel. Zarucuji ze >>>>>pracuje m?n? nez jin? materialy. >>>>> >>>>>http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG >>>>>http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000344.JPG >>>>>http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000352.JPG >>>>>http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000374.jpg >>>>>http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000375.jpg >>>>> >>>>>Aldik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Muzu se zeptat, jak se tento material jmenuje, kdyz ho pujdu koupit? >>>> >>>> >>>vypada to jako novodur :) >>> >>>BTW to je vase prvni ronja? podle me se vam zacne kroutit to >>>slabe elko co pod rourou mate. ale nevim. >>> >>>Glo >>> >>> >>> >>>>ROOTen >>>> >>>> >>>> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.852 (20040828) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Aug 30 17:40:03 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Mon Aug 30 17:40:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ladeni P104 v Rx Message-ID: <20040830164003.GA11532@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Ahoj Nevite nekdo, jak spocitat odpor resistoru R106 (resp. resistoru na miste R106) kvuli uprave P104 na zaklade hodnoty P104 ci jinych snadno meritelnych parametru Rxka? Predpokladam, ze kdyz mam P104 vetsi, tak bych mel R106 zvetsit, ale nejsem si jist, jak moc a delat to pulenim intervalu me prijde zbytecne pracne. From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Aug 30 19:30:27 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Aug 30 19:29:51 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5BRonja=5D_"=3Bvakuov=E1"=3B_ronja?= In-Reply-To: <20040828125421Z1301979-23098+65347@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040828125421Z1301979-23098+65347@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <15610339075.20040830203027@volny.cz> Ahoj, nenech se odratit ostrejsim tonem tech, kteri uz vi zac je toho loket.... Take jsem uvazoval o vytvoreni pretlaku, protoze by tam nesla vlhkost, ale vykaslal jsem se na to, protoze vlhkost problem neni. Co se tyce tech ohybu, tak to neni se by se to ohnulo jak svicka na slunicku, ale trocha k trosce.... Ondra JM> ____________________________________________________________ >> Od: Jakub Ladman >> Komu: Twibright Ronja >> Datum: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:55:40 +0200 >> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] "vakuov?" ronja >> >> On Friday 27 August 2004 00:50, David Sedl??ek wrote: >> > No podle me to nikdy neutesnis tak, aby to drzelo nekolik let :-). >> Nehlede k tomu, ze by se ti ty roury tim podtlakem velmi pravdepodobne >> zkroutily. >> To je tak, kdyz mysli ten, kdo nic nevi. JM> no tak to teda sory, ale chtel bych videt jak se ti krouti dejme tomu novodurova trubka kera ma stenu tlustou 2mm, kdyz z toho budes vzduch odsavat obyc pumpou na kola. ja verim ze je to asi JM> blbost z toho ten vzduch vysavat, ale jestli mas v cele sklenenou cocku a vzadu napr. silonove vicko, a je dlouha...0,5m tak se nezkrouti ani za mak.... JM> ja uznavam ze to byl asi blby napad, ale zas me nemusite hned povazovat ze totalniho debila... sory. >> >> > >> > Jakub Michn?k napsal(a): >> > >pred chvili sem dostal napad. kdyz sem premysel jak moc dat silikagelu do >> > > tech trubek a tak. co kdyby se z tech trubek odsal vzduch? asi by to >> > > neslo uplne ale aspon trochu by tam ten podtlak byl,a mozna by to uvnitr >> > > min oxidovalo a tak, ne, kdyz by tam toho vzduchu nebylo tolik? >> > > >> > >ptate se jak? ihned se to dovite! : do trubky se ve vhodnem miste vyvrta >> > > dira cca 5mm. ze stare duse z kola se urizne ventilek i s kouskem guny. >> > > tento dil se tam ale vlepi naopak nez byste cekali. tj. ventilkem >> > > dovnitr. pak se este zhotovi naky sosak na kery se nasadi pumpa aby to >> > > slo vypumpovat. HM? :D >> > > >> > >myslite ze to ma smysl? >> > > >> > >-------------------- >> > >JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM >> > > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >_______________________________________________ >> > >Ronja mailing list >> > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> JM> -------------------- JM> JSI RYCHLEJ??, NE? SI MYSL??. WWW.NIKESPEED.COM http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.nikespeed.com JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Aug 30 19:31:58 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Aug 30 19:31:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jake konektory? In-Reply-To: <000701c48cff$12bb4b30$02086b0a@atintel> References: <001101c48cf3$528a6680$02086b0a@atintel> <20040828122800.GA6629@beton.cybernet.src> <000701c48cff$12bb4b30$02086b0a@atintel> Message-ID: <3510430003.20040830203158@volny.cz> Nedoporucuji CINCHE .... nedokonaly kontakt Ondra MK> Proc? Konektory snad nicemu nevadi, nebo jo? MK> ----- Original Message ----- MK> From: "Karel Kulhav?" MK> To: "Twibright Ronja" MK> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:28 AM MK> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jake konektory? >> On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 04:36:51AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >>> Jake konektory byste doporucili misto cokolady v Twisterovi? Staci obyc >>> "televizni" koax konektory nebo radsi BNC nebo jeste nejaky jiny? Koax >>> mam RG >>> 59. >> >> Zadne. Cokoladu. >> >> Cl< >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> MK> _______________________________________________ MK> Ronja mailing list MK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Aug 30 19:41:44 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Aug 30 19:41:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ladeni P104 v Rx In-Reply-To: <20040830164003.GA11532@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040830164003.GA11532@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <19111016100.20040830204144@volny.cz> Posli cislo kolik V tam mas a nekdo ti tady poradi nejlepsi hodnotu. Jestli se to nejak pocita nevim. Ondra OZ> Ahoj OZ> Nevite nekdo, jak spocitat odpor resistoru R106 (resp. resistoru na miste OZ> R106) kvuli uprave P104 na zaklade hodnoty P104 ci jinych snadno OZ> meritelnych parametru Rxka? Predpokladam, ze kdyz mam P104 vetsi, tak bych OZ> mel R106 zvetsit, ale nejsem si jist, jak moc a delat to pulenim OZ> intervalu me prijde zbytecne pracne. OZ> _______________________________________________ OZ> Ronja mailing list OZ> Ronja@lists.pointless.net OZ> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Aug 30 19:43:27 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Aug 30 19:42:50 2004 Subject: =?Windows-1250?Q?Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_tru?= =?Windows-1250?Q?bka?= In-Reply-To: <003001c48e17$53053a20$020a210a@marekbk> References: <00a201c48e01$f49ae580$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <003001c48e17$53053a20$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <19911118322.20040830204327@volny.cz> Ahoj, ktere z toho co jsi popsal je ta oranzova odpadni KG trubka=3F At vim na co se mam tesit :-) Zatim akorat trochu vybledla, ale jinak OK. Ondra b> Podle toho jak ta trubka http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG b> vypada bych si to troufnul odhadnout na PVC-U (nas znamy novodur) trubku= na b> z=E1chody spojovan=E9 lepen=EDm. Tento materi=E1l je ur=E8en=FD pro odpa= dn=ED vody ne b> teplej=9A=ED ne=9E 60 stC Tvarova stalost je cca do 60 stC tzn. daji se= tvatrovat b> tak ze ji strcis do vrouci vody. b> Tepelna roztaznost PVC-U cca 0,06-0,09 (mm/m * stC) coz dava zmeny delky= 1 m b> trubky pri 80 st ( na coz se pri slunecnem dni ta trubka urcite rozpali) b> cca 6 mm. Kdyz budem pocitat i zimu tak bude delka pracovat v rozmezi 6-= 9 mm b> v prubehu roku. b> Pak jsou jeste PP (polypropylen), ty maji kratkodobe pouziti do 95 stC, b> tvarova stalost do 90 stC. tep roztaznost je 0.15 (mm/m * stC), takze se b> pohybujem v rozmezi 15 mm. b> Oba typy bezne dostupne v Obi.. b> Jeste tu je HD-PE (tvrdy). Tvarova stalost do 60 stC. Ten ma tep. roztaz= nost b> 0,2 (mm/m * stC). to nam dava rozsah nejakych 20 mm. b> Vsechny "bezne" plasty maji tepelnou roztaznost na jednom metru pri rozd= ilu b> 100 stC ca 6-20 mm. b> Z jineho materialu nez co jsem psal se vlastne ani bezne dostupne trubky b> nedelaji. b> Ze systemu ukotveni trubek na drzak ( ohnute L ) to odhaduju na pouziti b> na/do 400 m coz si myslim bude fungovat. b> Pokud nekdo pouziva plastove trubky, tak navrhuji je zakryt jeste plechem b> proti primemu dopadu slunecnich paprsku, cim se snizi ta maximalni teplo= ta. b> Pokud tomu Pavel rozumi tak vybral nejlepe jak mohl, pokud ne, tak mel b> proste stesti na to co meli v krame.... Na druhou stranu PVC na slunci b> nejvice degraduje... b> bk b> ----- Original Message ----- b> From: "Ale=9A Pavel" b> To: "'Michal Mal=F9=9Aek'" ; "'Twibright Ronja'" b> b> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 9:54 PM b> Subject: RE: [Ronja] =3F! pro=E8 ne plastov=E1 trubka >> Vypada hodne slabe, ale slabe nen=ED.. Ono to trochu na ty fotce >> zkresluje... >> Nemyslim ze by se m=EClo kroutit, ono to bude je=9At=EC o 30 cm taky kra= tsi >> (je to jeden z tech drobnych nedostatku o kterych jsem mluvil) >> A je to velmi lehky.. >> >> > >> > >> > > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:37:40 +0200, Ale=9A Pavel wrote >> > > > Blbost pracuje ka=9Ed=FD material... Rici obecne: "nepouzit plasto= vou >> > > > trubku kvuli deformaci" je stejne jako rici nepouzit kov v ronje >> > > > (jen proto=9Ee neobsahuje zlato:) Je toti=9E plast a plast. Kdyz je >> > > > nekdo pip a pouzile rouru od hajzlu tak at se nedivi. Nen=ED toti >> > > > delana na slunce a jak tu zaznelo pracuje. Dobra trubka je ta co >> > > > pouzil muj stary dobry a trubek znaly kamarad Pavel. Zarucuji ze >> > > > pracuje m=E9n=EC nez jin=E9 materialy. >> > > > >> > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG >> > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000344.JPG >> > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000352.JPG >> > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000374.jpg >> > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000375.jpg >> > > > >> > > > Aldik >> > > >> > > Muzu se zeptat, jak se tento material jmenuje, kdyz ho pujdu koupit= =3F >> > >> > vypada to jako novodur :) >> > >> > BTW to je vase prvni ronja=3F podle me se vam zacne kroutit to >> > slabe elko co pod rourou mate. ale nevim. >> > >> > Glo >> > >> > > ROOTen >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Ronja mailing list >> > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ronja mailing list >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> b> _______________________________________________ b> Ronja mailing list b> Ronja@lists.pointless.net b> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From talpa at suchdol.net Mon Aug 30 20:43:32 2004 From: talpa at suchdol.net (=?windows-1250?Q?Ale=9A_Pavel?=) Date: Mon Aug 30 20:43:44 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_Re:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka_?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c48ec9$a299dde0$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Jak jsem rikal znamy to delal pro me z kamaradstvi za 3000 na jeden spoj (4ks) nevim jestli mu snad i n=ECco nedoplatim na material a nedam = n=ECco za praci, zat=EDm je na slovensku, tak nevim, budou tam i drzaky, tak cena mozna je=9At=EC stoupne. Kolik to bude celkem vazne netusim. Material = ale zjistim, kdybych chtel zapomenout pripomente se. Je toho schopen vyrobit neomezene, ma uz nastavene sablony, je=9At=EC to = ma drobne kosmeticke nedostatky (tahle verze se bude i zkracovat) a az to bude kosher tak to nabidneme. PS:Dival jsem se na to novodur to nen=ED. >=20 > > Podle toho jak ta trubka=20 > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG > > vypada bych si to troufnul odhadnout na PVC-U (nas znamy=20 > novodur) trubku na >=20 > Nevim, muze to byt i neco, co vypada jako novodur, ale je to=20 > neco lepsiho. Rad se dozvim nazev, az to bude mozne. Nebo je=20 > mozne i nadhodit cenu, za kterou by to ten znamy udelal? >=20 From talpa at suchdol.net Mon Aug 30 22:52:20 2004 From: talpa at suchdol.net (=?windows-1250?Q?Ale=9A_Pavel?=) Date: Mon Aug 30 22:52:21 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_Re=5B2=5D:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_tru?= =?windows-1250?Q?bka?= In-Reply-To: <19911118322.20040830204327@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000201c2db8b$113cce90$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Podle me je to to nejhorsi reseni, vybledne a zacas se ti uplne rozdroli..neni stavena na slunicko, ledaze by jsi mel slunicko na hazliku:-) udajne se lame pokud nen=ED zasazena napr do zem=EC. To rikal Pavel a je fakt ze jsem takovou trubku opravdu videl, lame se pak jak papir. Je mi jasne ze te nenapadlo ji ani natrit co?? Mno ze jsi se na to nepreptal kdy=9E jsi to kupoval. Aldik=20 >=20 > Ahoj, > ktere z toho co jsi popsal je ta oranzova odpadni KG trubka? >=20 > At vim na co se mam tesit :-) > Zatim akorat trochu vybledla, ale jinak OK. >=20 > Ondra >=20 From talpa at suchdol.net Mon Aug 30 23:01:23 2004 From: talpa at suchdol.net (=?windows-1250?Q?Ale=9A_Pavel?=) Date: Mon Aug 30 23:01:25 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka?= In-Reply-To: <4133003D.8070803@host.sk> Message-ID: <000301c2db8c$554a9210$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> >=20 > Ja neviem, ale mne sa zda najdolezitejsi fakt ten, ze plechova trubka=20 > ovela lepsie odraza el-mag vlnenie ako plastova. Nad tim jsem nepremyslel to je fakt. > Mame sice spravene zatial vsetko cez plast, ale na dhle spoje=20 > by som to=20 > neriskoval. Do toho zahrnujem aj UW, WiFi, laser a neviem co=20 > vsetko. Je mi divne, ze sa bavite preve o roztaznosti. btw=20 > kov v takej dlzke by=20 > mal mat nepomerne vyssie odolne vlastnosti voci pocasiu ako plast. Jak jsem =F8ekl to je preci pitomost. Kov ma vetsi roztaznost nez plast,rezne a krouti se. > PVC-U je sice fajn, ale ked vam na to bude svietit slnko a ten plast=20 > nebude UW upraveny, tak sa bude lamat a bude krehky. Tie=20 > vlastnosti maju=20 > skoro vsetky polyadovane marialy.=20 Ten plast o kterem s takovou jistotou mluvis najdes na skoro v=9Aech novych baracich, neosetren ani barvou a st=E1le drzici tvar a pevny. Krom toho ka=9Ed=FD inteligenti clovek to alespon natre nez to strci na strechu. Taktiez zmena letnych pneumatik na=20 > aute a zimne - to nie je len otazka dezenu, je to aj otazka=20 > krehkosti a=20 > roztaznosti materialu v roznych teplotnych podmienkach. Letne=20 > pneumatiky=20 > v zime krehnu, teda sa okrem ineho smykaju. A zimne pneumatiky v lete=20 > maju vysoku roztaznost, co sposobuje vacsiu prilnavost k=20 > vozovke a tym=20 > vacsia spotreba motoru. Tak fajn dej si na strechu radeji zimni pneumatiky:-) (sem nezabihej je to opravdu jiny material) > Neviem, ci by som robil tie trubky z plastu - akehokolvek - plasty su=20 > relativne nova technologia tak tazko povedat :) (teda co sa=20 > tyka dlhych=20 > prepojov) Ja fakt nevim kde by mel byt problem. Mam pocit ze mas mensi sanci ze ti to tepelne uhne nez u kovu, lepe se to opracovava a tusim ze je to i levnejsi. Aldik From talpa at suchdol.net Mon Aug 30 23:05:11 2004 From: talpa at suchdol.net (=?windows-1250?Q?Ale=9A_Pavel?=) Date: Mon Aug 30 23:05:13 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_Re=5B2=5D:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_tru?= =?windows-1250?Q?bka?= In-Reply-To: <1542049481.20040830121432@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <000401c2db8c$dd141360$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> > nejde ani tak o vahu, ale co taky poriadny vietor ked sa do toho oprie Smarja, zas tak lehky to nen=ED, v pomeru ke kovu je cca stejna vaha proto=9Ee je to tlustci. Robustnejsi... Zavolej si na pomoc vichrici:-),drzak je ze zeleza...takze pokud to bude trochu lehci tak jen lepe. Krom toho to nemusis tak presne "vyvazovat". Aldik From polous at katka.biz Tue Aug 31 02:14:15 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Aug 30 23:11:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?! =?windows-1250?Q?pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubk?= =?windows-1250?Q?a?= In-Reply-To: <000301c2db8c$554a9210$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> References: <000301c2db8c$554a9210$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Message-ID: <4133D0E7.60009@katka.biz> Evidentne do ty doby, nez zjistis jak se menuje material z ktereho je ta "Dobra trubka" na slunicko, "co pouzil muj stary dobry a trubek znaly kamarad Pavel" menuje, je tenhle thread celkem vo hovne. Kterou trubku pouzit se snad i resilo... skus historii nebo jeste hledat na czfree.net. ;-) 100% napis, az zjistis, co je to za matros, radi si rozsirime obzory, pac mam pocit tu zadny specialista na trubky nejni :-) p0l0us Aleš Pavel wrote: >>Ja neviem, ale mne sa zda najdolezitejsi fakt ten, ze plechova trubka >>ovela lepsie odraza el-mag vlnenie ako plastova. >> >> > >Nad tim jsem nepremyslel to je fakt. > > > > >>Mame sice spravene zatial vsetko cez plast, ale na dhle spoje >>by som to >>neriskoval. Do toho zahrnujem aj UW, WiFi, laser a neviem co >>vsetko. Je mi divne, ze sa bavite preve o roztaznosti. btw >>kov v takej dlzke by >>mal mat nepomerne vyssie odolne vlastnosti voci pocasiu ako plast. >> >> > >Jak jsem řekl to je preci pitomost. Kov ma vetsi roztaznost nez >plast,rezne a krouti se. > > > > >>PVC-U je sice fajn, ale ked vam na to bude svietit slnko a ten plast >>nebude UW upraveny, tak sa bude lamat a bude krehky. >> >> > Tie > > >>vlastnosti maju >>skoro vsetky polyadovane marialy. >> >> >Ten plast o kterem s takovou jistotou mluvis najdes na skoro všech >novych baracich, neosetren ani barvou a stále drzici tvar a pevny. >Krom toho každý inteligenti clovek to alespon natre nez to strci na >strechu. > > >Taktiez zmena letnych pneumatik na > > >>aute a zimne - to nie je len otazka dezenu, je to aj otazka >>krehkosti a >>roztaznosti materialu v roznych teplotnych podmienkach. Letne >>pneumatiky >>v zime krehnu, teda sa okrem ineho smykaju. A zimne pneumatiky v lete >>maju vysoku roztaznost, co sposobuje vacsiu prilnavost k >>vozovke a tym >>vacsia spotreba motoru. >> >> > >Tak fajn dej si na strechu radeji zimni pneumatiky:-) (sem nezabihej je >to opravdu jiny material) > > > >>Neviem, ci by som robil tie trubky z plastu - akehokolvek - plasty su >>relativne nova technologia tak tazko povedat :) (teda co sa >>tyka dlhych >>prepojov) >> >> > >Ja fakt nevim kde by mel byt problem. Mam pocit ze mas mensi sanci ze ti >to tepelne uhne nez u kovu, lepe se to opracovava a tusim ze je to i >levnejsi. > >Aldik > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Aug 30 23:15:00 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Aug 30 23:15:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?! =?windows-1250?Q?pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubk?= =?windows-1250?Q?a?= In-Reply-To: <000301c2db8c$554a9210$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> References: <000301c2db8c$554a9210$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Message-ID: <4133A6E4.10407@sattnet.cz> Rozhodne bych si netroufnul tvrdit, ze trubky za 3000,- jsou levnejsi,=20 nez 2m kourovy trubky s d=3D145mm (200kc) + 8x vicko (280kc). Ale=9A Pavel napsal(a): >Ja fakt nevim kde by mel byt problem. Mam pocit ze mas mensi sanci ze ti >to tepelne uhne nez u kovu, lepe se to opracovava a tusim ze je to i >levnejsi. > >Aldik > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > =20 > --=20 Regards, David Sedl=E1=E8ek http://web.wifistar.net From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Aug 30 23:22:45 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Mon Aug 30 23:22:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx Message-ID: <20040830222245.GA17942@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Ahoj Mam tu 3 rxka, 1 funguje, 2 nikoliv. Ty nefungujici ale maji vsechny testpointy vicemene v toleranci (akorat jeden ma P101 11.4 V a ma mit aspon 11.5 V). Kdyz jsem se dal do promerovani soucastek, tak jsem narazil na zajimavy jev. Pri mereni R101 (zapajeny v rxku) v nefunkcnich kusech (laciny digitalni) ohmmetr ukazoval okolo 100 kiloohm (coz R101 ma mit), ale ve funkcnim kuse ukazoval 25 kiloohm nebo 25 megaohm podle toho, v jake polarite jsem k nemu prilozil ohmmetr. Netusite nekdo, co zpusobuje, ze se ta rxka vzhledem k mereni chovaji ruzne? Jeste me napada, ze v tech nefunkcnich je asi jina fotodioda (v jednech je asi SFH203, v druhych je asi BPW43, ale nevim, ktera v ktere skupine). -- Ondrej Zajicek From talpa at suchdol.net Mon Aug 30 23:25:34 2004 From: talpa at suchdol.net (=?windows-1250?Q?Ale=9A_Pavel?=) Date: Mon Aug 30 23:25:35 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka?= In-Reply-To: <4133D0E7.60009@katka.biz> Message-ID: <000601c2db8f$b5e73530$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> > Evidentne do ty doby, nez zjistis jak se menuje material z=20 > ktereho je ta=20 > "Dobra trubka" na slunicko, "co pouzil muj stary dobry a trubek znaly=20 > kamarad Pavel" menuje, je tenhle thread celkem vo hovne.=20 > Kterou trubku=20 > pouzit se snad i resilo... skus historii nebo jeste hledat na=20 > czfree.net. ;-) Souhlasim... Jen co se prikodrca ze slovenska dam vedet. O reseni idealni trubky nevim. Ja jsem se radeji zeptal =E8lov=ECka co s temahle trubkama dela denne. A proto=9Ee znam jeho schopnosti tak mu verim. Ty trubky velmi chvali a ruci za ne. >=20 > 100% napis, az zjistis, co je to za matros, radi si rozsirime obzory,=20 > pac mam pocit tu zadny specialista na trubky nejni :-) Ani ja nejsem mistr "Trubka":-) jen jsem se poradil s clovekem co tomu rozumi a co je praktik a ne bohapusty teoretik co mi tu vyjmenuje tepelnou rozta=9Enost na desetinky:-) to nemyslim ve zlem, ale v tomhle radeji verim cloveku co to pouziva,nez tomu co se o tom ucil ve skole:-) Me prisla vetsina argumentu zde dost licha.Kdyby bylo n=ECco co by me zaujalo sebekriticky pujdu do sebe a reknu pouziji kov a bude, mate pravdu, ale takhle.... Az na tu elektromagnetiku jsem neslysel nic rozumneho. Aldik From talpa at suchdol.net Mon Aug 30 23:31:05 2004 From: talpa at suchdol.net (=?windows-1250?Q?Ale=9A_Pavel?=) Date: Mon Aug 30 23:31:07 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka?= In-Reply-To: <4133A6E4.10407@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <000701c2db90$7a3eba20$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> > Rozhodne bych si netroufnul tvrdit, ze trubky za 3000,- jsou=20 > levnejsi,=20 > nez 2m kourovy trubky s d=3D145mm (200kc) + 8x vicko (280kc). Jo tak mi pak ukaz jak jsi z toho udelal je=9At=EC 4 drzaky na ronju a cocku:-) Byla to cena za vsechno co dela, tj. i drzak...tedy zat=EDm nevim jestli si je=9At=EC n=ECco nerekne,nebo n=ECco nevrati proste jsme mu placli na = stul 3 000 a rekli tady mas a delej...rikam po 10saty fakt nevim cenu, = je=9At=EC TO NIKDO NEZKALKULOVAL, tu cenu jsme odhadli a dali to kamosovi aby mel z ceho delat.. Aldik From kneza at poupe.net Mon Aug 30 23:35:35 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Mon Aug 30 23:35:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?! =?windows-1250?Q?pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubk?= =?windows-1250?Q?a?= In-Reply-To: <000701c2db90$7a3eba20$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> References: <000701c2db90$7a3eba20$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Message-ID: <4133ABB7.9080400@poupe.net> Muzes si laskave nastavit spravne datum misto unora 2003??? Kneza Ale=9A Pavel wrote: >>Rozhodne bych si netroufnul tvrdit, ze trubky za 3000,- jsou=20 >>levnejsi,=20 >>nez 2m kourovy trubky s d=3D145mm (200kc) + 8x vicko (280kc). >=20 >=20 > Jo tak mi pak ukaz jak jsi z toho udelal je=9At=EC 4 drzaky na ronju a > cocku:-) > Byla to cena za vsechno co dela, tj. i drzak...tedy zat=EDm nevim jestl= i > si je=9At=EC n=ECco nerekne,nebo n=ECco nevrati proste jsme mu placli n= a stul 3 > 000 a rekli tady mas a delej...rikam po 10saty fakt nevim cenu, je=9At=EC= TO > NIKDO NEZKALKULOVAL, tu cenu jsme odhadli a dali to kamosovi aby mel z > ceho delat.. >=20 > Aldik >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Tue Aug 31 02:54:40 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Aug 30 23:51:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <20040830222245.GA17942@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040830222245.GA17942@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4133DA60.1000100@katka.biz> Ondrej Zajicek wrote: >Ahoj > >Mam tu 3 rxka, 1 funguje, 2 nikoliv. Ty nefungujici ale maji vsechny >testpointy vicemene v toleranci (akorat jeden ma P101 11.4 V a ma mit aspon >11.5 V). Kdyz jsem se dal do promerovani soucastek, tak jsem narazil na >zajimavy jev. Pri mereni R101 (zapajeny v rxku) v nefunkcnich kusech >(laciny digitalni) ohmmetr ukazoval okolo 100 kiloohm (coz R101 ma mit), >ale ve funkcnim kuse ukazoval 25 kiloohm nebo 25 megaohm podle toho, >v jake polarite jsem k nemu prilozil ohmmetr. Netusite nekdo, co >zpusobuje, ze se ta rxka vzhledem k mereni chovaji ruzne? Jeste >me napada, ze v tech nefunkcnich je asi jina fotodioda (v jednech je >asi SFH203, v druhych je asi BPW43, ale nevim, ktera v ktere skupine). > >-- >Ondrej Zajicek > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Jeste bych znobu zkontroloval vsechny soucastky kolem a jejich hodnoty, propajel spoje, zkontroloval realne hodnoty. Ta SFH ma byt SFH 2030 [F - pro infra]. Rozdil mezi 2030 a bpw43 nejni moc velky. V GMe ti klidne misto bpw43 [pruhledna dioda] prodaj bpw34 [ta je placata, hranata a spatna]. Na me to zkouseli a znamymu to dokonce vnutili. :-/ p0l0us From santiago at mail.cz Tue Aug 31 00:13:31 2004 From: santiago at mail.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Aug 31 00:13:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <4133DA60.1000100@katka.biz> Message-ID: <20040830231331.GA22652@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:54:40AM -0100, Martin Polehla wrote: > Ta SFH ma byt SFH 2030 [F - pro infra]. Rozdil mezi 2030 a bpw43 nejni > moc velky. V GMe ti klidne misto bpw43 [pruhledna dioda] prodaj bpw34 > [ta je placata, hranata a spatna]. Na me to zkouseli a znamymu to > dokonce vnutili. :-/ No ja si nejsem jist, zda ty druhy jsou BPW 43 - kamarad mi pomichal moje SFH 2030 (oprava) s nejakyma jeho fotodiodama, o kterych tvrdil, ze to jsou BPW 43, ale doklad od nich nemam. Nevite nekdo, jak tyto diody vypadaji? Jedny z tech, co tu mam, maji pri pohledu primo 'v ose rotace' velkou tmavou plosku pres skoro celou sirku diody (pri pohledu z boku ta ploska vypada tak na 2 mm delky). Druhe maji tu plosku malou (pri pohledu v ose vypada tak 1 mm, z boku nepozorovatelna), jinak oboje vypadaji jako 'klasicka LEDka' (valec zakonceny polokouli), akorat pruhledne. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From polous at katka.biz Tue Aug 31 04:29:26 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Aug 31 01:26:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <20040830231331.GA22652@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040830231331.GA22652@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4133F096.609@katka.biz> sfh maji tu plosku vetsi tak ty 2mm a je kolem ni takovej slabej neuplnej ramecek a kolem nej silnejsi uplnej .. vypada to pekne ;). z plosky bpw, ta je tak ten 1mm, mi vede takovej slabounkej ztatej dratek. p0l0us Ondrej Zajicek wrote: >No ja si nejsem jist, zda ty druhy jsou BPW 43 - kamarad mi pomichal >moje SFH 2030 (oprava) s nejakyma jeho fotodiodama, o kterych tvrdil, >ze to jsou BPW 43, ale doklad od nich nemam. > >Nevite nekdo, jak tyto diody vypadaji? > >Jedny z tech, co tu mam, maji pri pohledu primo 'v ose rotace' velkou >tmavou plosku pres skoro celou sirku diody (pri pohledu z boku ta ploska >vypada tak na 2 mm delky). Druhe maji tu plosku malou (pri pohledu v ose >vypada tak 1 mm, z boku nepozorovatelna), jinak oboje vypadaji jako >'klasicka LEDka' (valec zakonceny polokouli), akorat pruhledne. > > > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Aug 31 06:30:46 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Tue Aug 31 06:31:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?! =?windows-1250?Q?pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubk?= =?windows-1250?Q?a?= In-Reply-To: <000701c2db90$7a3eba20$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> References: <000701c2db90$7a3eba20$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> Message-ID: <41340D06.2010902@sattnet.cz> Ale=9A Pavel napsal(a): >>Rozhodne bych si netroufnul tvrdit, ze trubky za 3000,- jsou=20 >>levnejsi,=20 >>nez 2m kourovy trubky s d=3D145mm (200kc) + 8x vicko (280kc). >> =20 >> > >Jo tak mi pak ukaz jak jsi z toho udelal je=9At=EC 4 drzaky na ronju a > =20 > Cocky 80,-/ks a zbytek materialu for free. Proste 3000 je moc. >cocku:-) >Byla to cena za vsechno co dela, tj. i drzak...tedy zat=EDm nevim jestli >si je=9At=EC n=ECco nerekne,nebo n=ECco nevrati proste jsme mu placli na= stul 3 >000 a rekli tady mas a delej...rikam po 10saty fakt nevim cenu, je=9At=EC= TO >NIKDO NEZKALKULOVAL, tu cenu jsme odhadli a dali to kamosovi aby mel z >ceho delat.. > >Aldik > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > =20 > --=20 Regards, David Sedl=E1=E8ek http://web.wifistar.net From petr.dvorak at kihu.info Tue Aug 31 07:06:47 2004 From: petr.dvorak at kihu.info (petr.dvorak) Date: Tue Aug 31 07:06:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?!=?ISO-8859-2?Q?_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_?=trubka In-Reply-To: <4133003D.8070803@host.sk> References: <000f01c48df2$d6d4f860$0103450a@thechosen> <00a201c48e01$f49ae580$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <1542049481.20040830121432@atlas.cz> <4133003D.8070803@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040831060402.M78454@kihu.info> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:23:57 +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote > Ja neviem, ale mne sa zda najdolezitejsi fakt ten, ze plechova > trubka ovela lepsie odraza el-mag vlnenie ako plastova. Zdar. Napadlo me, co pouzit ty zatracovane oranzove trubky a natrit je naterem proti UV zareni smichanym se sazemi. Podle me by se tim dosahlo pomerne dobrych parametru, jako je relativni neprostupnost pro UV zareni a elektro magnetick? st?n?n?. Ale nevim, je to jen namet. ROOTen From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Aug 30 07:31:56 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Aug 31 07:31:29 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubk?= =?ISO-8859-2?Q?a?= In-Reply-To: <20040831060402.M78454@kihu.info> References: <000f01c48df2$d6d4f860$0103450a@thechosen> <00a201c48e01$f49ae580$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <1542049481.20040830121432@atlas.cz> <4133003D.8070803@host.sk> <20040831060402.M78454@kihu.info> Message-ID: <561969886.20040830083156@volny.cz> 1) Navrhnete mi nekdo test, podle ktereho se pozna, ze elmag. stineni kovovych trubek je potrebne, i kdyz elektronika je stejne uzavrena v plechovych krabickach. Ja ho provedu a sdelim vysledky. 2) Az mi oranzove trubky shnijou a urve mi je vichrice, tak je slavnostne pohrbim, nafotim to a pochlubim se Pak za 280Kc a chvili prace na strese je vymenim. Jen nevim jestli se toho dockam, ale privolavat to neminim :-) Ondra pd> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:23:57 +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote >> Ja neviem, ale mne sa zda najdolezitejsi fakt ten, ze plechova >> trubka ovela lepsie odraza el-mag vlnenie ako plastova. pd> Zdar. Napadlo me, co pouzit ty zatracovane oranzove trubky a natrit je naterem pd> proti UV zareni smichanym se sazemi. Podle me by se tim dosahlo pomerne pd> dobrych parametru, jako je relativni neprostupnost pro UV zareni a elektro pd> magnetick? st?n?n?. Ale nevim, je to jen namet. pd> ROOTen pd> _______________________________________________ pd> Ronja mailing list pd> Ronja@lists.pointless.net pd> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Aug 31 07:47:57 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=9Aek?=) Date: Tue Aug 31 07:48:17 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubka?= References: <000701c2db90$7a3eba20$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <41340D06.2010902@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <002501c48f26$732b4000$0103450a@thechosen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedláček" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ?! proč ne plastová trubka Aleš Pavel napsal(a): >>Rozhodne bych si netroufnul tvrdit, ze trubky za 3000,- jsou >>levnejsi, >>nez 2m kourovy trubky s d=145mm (200kc) + 8x vicko (280kc). >> >> > >Jo tak mi pak ukaz jak jsi z toho udelal ještě 4 drzaky na ronju a > > cocku:-) >Byla to cena za vsechno co dela, tj. i drzak...tedy zatím nevim jestli >si ještě něco nerekne,nebo něco nevrati proste jsme mu placli na stul 3 >000 a rekli tady mas a delej...rikam po 10saty fakt nevim cenu, ještě TO >NIKDO NEZKALKULOVAL, tu cenu jsme odhadli a dali to kamosovi aby mel z >ceho delat.. > >Aldik > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedláček http://web.wifistar.net _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Aug 31 08:03:27 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?windows-1250?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Tue Aug 31 08:03:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ?! =?windows-1250?Q?pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_trubk?= =?windows-1250?Q?a?= In-Reply-To: <002501c48f26$732b4000$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000701c2db90$7a3eba20$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <41340D06.2010902@sattnet.cz> <002501c48f26$732b4000$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <413422BF.5080009@sattnet.cz> Michal Mal=F9=9Aek napsal(a): >----- Original Message -----=20 >From: "David Sedl=E1=E8ek" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:30 AM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] ?! pro=E8 ne plastov=E1 trubka > > >Ale=9A Pavel napsal(a): > > =20 > >>>Rozhodne bych si netroufnul tvrdit, ze trubky za 3000,- jsou >>>levnejsi, >>>nez 2m kourovy trubky s d=3D145mm (200kc) + 8x vicko (280kc). >>> >>> >>> =20 >>> >>Jo tak mi pak ukaz jak jsi z toho udelal je=9At=EC 4 drzaky na ronju a >> >> >> =20 >> > >proc by melo byt 3000 moc? ty myslis ze to nekdo bude delat pro neci kra= sne > =20 > Protoze kdyz to nekdo zvladne udelat sam a ma material, tak je to na nej=20 just too much. :-). Ale kdyz si nekdo plete sroubovak s kladivem, nebo=20 nema prostor, kde to bastlit, tak to chapu. >oci? :) to mu zbylo tak +-1500 za praci. to je 100 na hodinu pri 15 >hodinach. a to se stim mozna vztekal dyl. podle toho co ma za stroje. > >Glo > > =20 > >>cocku:-) >>Byla to cena za vsechno co dela, tj. i drzak...tedy zat=EDm nevim jestl= i >>si je=9At=EC n=ECco nerekne,nebo n=ECco nevrati proste jsme mu placli n= a stul 3 >>000 a rekli tady mas a delej...rikam po 10saty fakt nevim cenu, je=9At=EC= TO >>NIKDO NEZKALKULOVAL, tu cenu jsme odhadli a dali to kamosovi aby mel z >>ceho delat.. >> >>Aldik >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> =20 >> > > =20 > --=20 Regards, David Sedl=E1=E8ek http://web.wifistar.net From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Aug 31 11:13:04 2004 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Aug 31 11:13:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Problemy s Rx In-Reply-To: <20040830222245.GA17942@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040830222245.GA17942@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040831101304.GA27167@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Ahoj > > Mam tu 3 rxka, 1 funguje, 2 nikoliv. Ty nefungujici ale maji vsechny > testpointy vicemene v toleranci (akorat jeden ma P101 11.4 V a ma mit aspon > 11.5 V). Kdyz jsem se dal do promerovani soucastek, tak jsem narazil na > zajimavy jev. Pri mereni R101 (zapajeny v rxku) v nefunkcnich kusech > (laciny digitalni) ohmmetr ukazoval okolo 100 kiloohm (coz R101 ma mit), > ale ve funkcnim kuse ukazoval 25 kiloohm nebo 25 megaohm podle toho, > v jake polarite jsem k nemu prilozil ohmmetr. Netusite nekdo, co > zpusobuje, ze se ta rxka vzhledem k mereni chovaji ruzne? Jeste Myslim ze elektrina, kterou generuje fotodioda, kdyz na ni dopada svetlo. Cl< From zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Aug 31 11:13:44 2004 From: zajio1am at artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Aug 31 11:13:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merici body v rx Message-ID: <20040831101344.GA30887@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Ahoj Nevite nekdo, zda merici body na rx maji byt v popsanych mezich kdyz na fotodiodu prichazi signal, kdyz neprichazi, nebo v obou pripadech? -- Ondrej Zajicek From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Tue Aug 31 11:16:55 2004 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Aug 31 11:16:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merici body v rx In-Reply-To: <20040831101344.GA30887@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040831101344.GA30887@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040831101655.GB27167@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Ahoj > > Nevite nekdo, zda merici body na rx maji byt v popsanych mezich > kdyz na fotodiodu prichazi signal, kdyz neprichazi, nebo v obou pripadech? V obou, za predpokladu ze to neni prebuzeny. Cl< > > -- > Ondrej Zajicek > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From santiago at mail.cz Tue Aug 31 11:50:12 2004 From: santiago at mail.cz (Ondrej Zajicek) Date: Tue Aug 31 11:50:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Merici body v rx In-Reply-To: <20040831101655.GB27167@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20040831105012.GA2092@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:16:55PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > Ahoj > > > > Nevite nekdo, zda merici body na rx maji byt v popsanych mezich > > kdyz na fotodiodu prichazi signal, kdyz neprichazi, nebo v obou pripadech? > > V obou, za predpokladu ze to neni prebuzeny. Mam tu jedno nefunkcni rx, ktere v pripade signalu ma 4,8 V na P104 a bez signalu 6.7 V. Ma byt 6-7 V. Funkcni rx (co tu mam) ma v obou pripadech priblizne stejne (6,7 V). Predpokladam, ze v tomhle pripade me ladeni prislusneho resistoru nepomuze a problem bude asi nekde jinde. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'SanTiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@mail.cz, jabber: santiago@njs.netlab.cz) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so." From bratrk at centrum.cz Tue Aug 31 16:11:15 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Tue Aug 31 16:11:11 2004 Subject: =?windows-1250?Q?Re:_Re=5B2=5D:_=5BRonja=5D_=3F!_pro=E8_ne_plastov=E1_tru?= =?windows-1250?Q?bka?= References: <00a201c48e01$f49ae580$ca02130a@suchdol.czf> <003001c48e17$53053a20$020a210a@marekbk> <19911118322.20040830204327@volny.cz> Message-ID: <001701c48f6c$c2dba130$020a210a@marekbk> Je to PVC-U. Bila rez na povrchu je pro tenhle plat normalni. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] ?! pro=E8 ne plastov=E1 trubka > Ahoj, > ktere z toho co jsi popsal je ta oranzova odpadni KG trubka? > > At vim na co se mam tesit :-) > Zatim akorat trochu vybledla, ale jinak OK. > > Ondra > > b> Podle toho jak ta trubka http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG > b> vypada bych si to troufnul odhadnout na PVC-U (nas znamy novodur) trubku na > b> z=E1chody spojovan=E9 lepen=EDm. Tento materi=E1l je ur=E8en=FD pro = odpadn=ED vody ne > b> teplej=9A=ED ne=9E 60 stC Tvarova stalost je cca do 60 stC tzn. daj= i se tvatrovat > b> tak ze ji strcis do vrouci vody. > b> Tepelna roztaznost PVC-U cca 0,06-0,09 (mm/m * stC) coz dava zmeny delky 1 m > b> trubky pri 80 st ( na coz se pri slunecnem dni ta trubka urcite rozpali) > b> cca 6 mm. Kdyz budem pocitat i zimu tak bude delka pracovat v rozmez= i 6-9 mm > b> v prubehu roku. > > b> Pak jsou jeste PP (polypropylen), ty maji kratkodobe pouziti do 95 s= tC, > b> tvarova stalost do 90 stC. tep roztaznost je 0.15 (mm/m * stC), takz= e se > b> pohybujem v rozmezi 15 mm. > > b> Oba typy bezne dostupne v Obi.. > > b> Jeste tu je HD-PE (tvrdy). Tvarova stalost do 60 stC. Ten ma tep. roztaznost > b> 0,2 (mm/m * stC). to nam dava rozsah nejakych 20 mm. > > b> Vsechny "bezne" plasty maji tepelnou roztaznost na jednom metru pri rozdilu > b> 100 stC ca 6-20 mm. > > b> Z jineho materialu nez co jsem psal se vlastne ani bezne dostupne trubky > b> nedelaji. > b> Ze systemu ukotveni trubek na drzak ( ohnute L ) to odhaduju na pouz= iti > b> na/do 400 m coz si myslim bude fungovat. > > b> Pokud nekdo pouziva plastove trubky, tak navrhuji je zakryt jeste plechem > b> proti primemu dopadu slunecnich paprsku, cim se snizi ta maximalni teplota. > > b> Pokud tomu Pavel rozumi tak vybral nejlepe jak mohl, pokud ne, tak m= el > b> proste stesti na to co meli v krame.... Na druhou stranu PVC na slun= ci > b> nejvice degraduje... > > b> bk > > b> ----- Original Message ----- > b> From: "Ale=9A Pavel" > b> To: "'Michal Mal=F9=9Aek'" ; "'Twibright Ronja'= " > b> > b> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 9:54 PM > b> Subject: RE: [Ronja] ?! pro=E8 ne plastov=E1 trubka > > > >> Vypada hodne slabe, ale slabe nen=ED.. Ono to trochu na ty fotce > >> zkresluje... > >> Nemyslim ze by se m=EClo kroutit, ono to bude je=9At=EC o 30 cm taky= kratsi > >> (je to jeden z tech drobnych nedostatku o kterych jsem mluvil) > >> A je to velmi lehky.. > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:37:40 +0200, Ale=9A Pavel wrote > >> > > > Blbost pracuje ka=9Ed=FD material... Rici obecne: "nepouzit pl= astovou > >> > > > trubku kvuli deformaci" je stejne jako rici nepouzit kov v ron= je > >> > > > (jen proto=9Ee neobsahuje zlato:) Je toti=9E plast a plast. Kd= yz je > >> > > > nekdo pip a pouzile rouru od hajzlu tak at se nedivi. Nen=ED t= oti > >> > > > delana na slunce a jak tu zaznelo pracuje. Dobra trubka je ta = co > >> > > > pouzil muj stary dobry a trubek znaly kamarad Pavel. Zarucuji = ze > >> > > > pracuje m=E9n=EC nez jin=E9 materialy. > >> > > > > >> > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000336.JPG > >> > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000344.JPG > >> > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/P1000352.JPG > >> > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000374.jpg > >> > > > http://talpa.chytrak.cz/image/ronja/p1000375.jpg > >> > > > > >> > > > Aldik > >> > > > >> > > Muzu se zeptat, jak se tento material jmenuje, kdyz ho pujdu koupit? > >> > > >> > vypada to jako novodur :) > >> > > >> > BTW to je vase prvni ronja? podle me se vam zacne kroutit to > >> > slabe elko co pod rourou mate. ale nevim. > >> > > >> > Glo > >> > > >> > > ROOTen > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Ronja mailing list > >> > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Ronja mailing list > >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ro= nja > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > > > > b> _______________________________________________ > b> Ronja mailing list > b> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > b> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From korda.m at seznam.cz Tue Aug 31 01:13:42 2004 From: korda.m at seznam.cz (Milan Korda) Date: Tue Aug 31 16:12:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Jake konektory? References: <001101c48cf3$528a6680$02086b0a@atintel> <20040828122800.GA6629@beton.cybernet.src><000701c48cff$12bb4b30$02086b0a@atintel> <41309C72.9000606@post.cz> Message-ID: <000f01c48eef$600eb100$02086b0a@atintel> Tak me napada, jak se tam ty konektory teda spravne montujou? Je tam nejake uskali, na ktere bych si mel dat pozor? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Martin?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jake konektory? > Sroubovaci konektory "F" - snadna montaz na kabel bez pajeni, minimalni > cena, pri spravne montazi se kabel z konektoru prakticky neda rucne > vytrhnout (overeno), zadne problemy s oxidaci na rozhrani hlinik/med, > odpadnou zcela problemy s montazi koaxu do "cokolady". Hlavni nevyhodou > je, ze konektor s kladnym polem na stineni musi byt izolovan od krabicek > (resim gumovou pruchodkou). > > Milan Korda napsal(a): > >> Proc? Konektory snad nicemu nevadi, nebo jo? >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Jake konektory? >> >> >>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 04:36:51AM -0700, Milan Korda wrote: >>> >>>> Jake konektory byste doporucili misto cokolady v Twisterovi? Staci obyc >>>> "televizni" koax konektory nebo radsi BNC nebo jeste nejaky jiny? Koax >>>> mam RG >>>> 59. >>> >>> >>> Zadne. Cokoladu. >>> >>> Cl< >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ronja mailing list >>>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ronja mailing list >>> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Aug 31 18:56:52 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Aug 31 18:57:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaka cocka? Message-ID: <20040831175704Z1306389-23097+129598@mail.centrum.cz> Dneska sem byl v optice a ptal sem se jak zmerim ohnisko lupy. rikala ze to je tezke, bo lupa je naka "jina". ze to neni jak obyc cocka. obyc cocku mi zmerila. myslel sem si, ze kdyz mam treba lampu na strope, rozsvitim ji, cockou zaostrim treba na zem a zmerim vzdalenost mezi cockou a zemi. jenze tohle sem delal pak aji v kuchyni na stole (bliz k lampe) a ono me pomyslne ohnisko se posunulo......jak mam potom dal LEDku do ohniska??? nebo kde to najdu? je to popsame v navodu? nenasel sem to :/ dik From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Aug 31 19:36:33 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Aug 31 19:36:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaka cocka? References: <20040831175704Z1306389-23097+129598@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000501c48f89$70b35930$0103450a@thechosen> vis co to je ohnisko? pokud ano tak ti nic nebrani to tam dat. pokud ne precti si nejakou ucebnici fyziky pro zakladni skoly nebo tak neco. zaklad optiky se ti urcite hodi. Glo > Dneska sem byl v optice a ptal sem se jak zmerim ohnisko lupy. rikala ze to je tezke, bo lupa je naka "jina". ze to neni jak obyc cocka. obyc cocku mi zmerila. myslel sem si, ze kdyz mam treba lampu na strope, rozsvitim ji, cockou zaostrim treba na zem a zmerim vzdalenost mezi cockou a zemi. jenze tohle sem delal pak aji v kuchyni na stole (bliz k lampe) a ono me pomyslne ohnisko se posunulo......jak mam potom dal LEDku do ohniska??? nebo kde to najdu? je to popsame v navodu? nenasel sem to :/ > > dik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From pulytr at seznam.cz Tue Aug 31 21:03:21 2004 From: pulytr at seznam.cz (Petr Neumann) Date: Tue Aug 31 21:03:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Seznam soucastek a jejich presny popis Message-ID: <20040831200319.8049A1A5C28@relay.inway.cz> Zdrav?m Prosim vas nechci vypadat za uplneho tupce :) Jak tady na foru tak v krame :) Koukal jsem do seznamu soucastek a pak do katalogu GM a GES Jakej je treba rozdil 4x 100u/10V a 4x 100u/10V_miniaturni Podle katalogu jsem nic nenasel. D?le je tam radi?ln?, t=85?C a radi?ln?, t=105?C Jaky mam pouzit ? Ja osobne se pres tohle treba dostanu ale mozna by nebylo od veci kdybyste vy profici znaly v oboru trochu ten seznam upravily a up?esnily :) http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/tetrapolis1.components.cz Diky moc verim tomu ze vam to moc casu nezabere a ostatni lajci neznaly v oboru to uvitaj. P.S. Nepiste odpovedi typu ze prodavac to vi, atd.. !! From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Aug 31 22:01:21 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Aug 31 22:02:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaka cocka? Message-ID: <20040831210125Z1302078-23099+133597@mail.centrum.cz> ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Malusek > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:36:33 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] jaka cocka? > > vis co to je ohnisko? pokud ano tak ti nic nebrani to tam dat. pokud ne > precti si nejakou ucebnici fyziky pro zakladni skoly nebo tak neco. zaklad > optiky se ti urcite hodi. > > Glo mily pane Glo, zaklady optiky mam, ale pochybuju ze v ucebninci pro ZS (nebo i SS) najdu rozdil mezi (vetnamskou) lupou a cockou.... > > > > Dneska sem byl v optice a ptal sem se jak zmerim ohnisko lupy. rikala ze > to je tezke, bo lupa je naka "jina". ze to neni jak obyc cocka. obyc cocku > mi zmerila. myslel sem si, ze kdyz mam treba lampu na strope, rozsvitim ji, > cockou zaostrim treba na zem a zmerim vzdalenost mezi cockou a zemi. jenze > tohle sem delal pak aji v kuchyni na stole (bliz k lampe) a ono me pomyslne > ohnisko se posunulo......jak mam potom dal LEDku do ohniska??? nebo kde to > najdu? je to popsame v navodu? nenasel sem to :/ > > > > dik > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Aug 31 22:05:58 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Tue Aug 31 22:06:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Seznam soucastek a jejich presny popis In-Reply-To: <20040831200319.8049A1A5C28@relay.inway.cz> References: <20040831200319.8049A1A5C28@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: <4134E836.8050505@sattnet.cz> Petr Neumann napsal(a): >Zdrav?m >Prosim vas nechci vypadat za uplneho tupce :) Jak tady na foru tak v krame >:) >Koukal jsem do seznamu soucastek a pak do katalogu GM a GES >Jakej je treba rozdil > 4x 100u/10V > > ve velikosti - normalni, miniaturni - dokonce ti to tam napsali ;-). >a 4x 100u/10V_miniaturni >Podle katalogu jsem nic nenasel. >D?le je tam > radi?ln?, t=85?C >a radi?ln?, t=105?C > > intuitivne vyznacena maximalni pracovani teplota :-). takze radsi 105? >Jaky mam pouzit ? >Ja osobne se pres tohle treba dostanu ale mozna by nebylo od veci kdybyste >vy profici znaly v oboru trochu ten seznam upravily a up?esnily :) > > nemusis byt profik, na tohle snad nepotrebujes ani znalosti. >http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/tetrapolis1.components.cz > >Diky moc verim tomu ze vam to moc casu nezabere a ostatni lajci neznaly v >oboru to uvitaj. >P.S. Nepiste odpovedi typu ze prodavac to vi, atd.. !! > > > no vedel by ;-). >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > -- Regards, David Sedl??ek http://web.wifistar.net From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Aug 30 22:08:35 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Aug 31 22:08:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaka cocka? In-Reply-To: <20040831175704Z1306389-23097+129598@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040831175704Z1306389-23097+129598@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <5410276264.20040830230835@volny.cz> IMHO je ohnisko tam, kde se se protinaji za cockou paprsky prichazejici z nekonecna. Kdyz jsi to zkousel s lampou u stropu, tak ta nebyla v nekonecnu, proto ta nepresnost. Jak se to da obejit je popsano nekde v navodu, ale pro anglictinu me to odradilo :-) Ondra JM> Dneska sem byl v optice a ptal sem se jak zmerim ohnisko lupy. rikala ze to je tezke, bo lupa je naka "jina". ze to neni jak obyc cocka. obyc cocku mi zmerila. myslel sem si, ze kdyz mam treba JM> lampu na strope, rozsvitim ji, cockou zaostrim treba na zem a zmerim vzdalenost mezi cockou a zemi. jenze tohle sem delal pak aji v kuchyni na stole (bliz k lampe) a ono me pomyslne ohnisko se JM> posunulo......jak mam potom dal LEDku do ohniska??? nebo kde to najdu? je to popsame v navodu? nenasel sem to :/ JM> dik JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Aug 31 22:16:53 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Aug 31 22:18:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jaka cocka? Message-ID: <20040831211703Z1301836-23099+133810@mail.centrum.cz> _____________________________________________________________ > Od: Ondrej Tesar > Komu: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:08:35 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] jaka cocka? > > IMHO je ohnisko tam, kde se se protinaji za cockou paprsky > prichazejici z nekonecna. > Kdyz jsi to zkousel s lampou u stropu, tak ta nebyla v nekonecnu, > proto ta nepresnost. > Jak se to da obejit je popsano nekde v navodu, ale pro anglictinu me > to odradilo :-) > > Ondra tohle sem si taky myslel ale nebyl sem si jisty :).... myslis ze slunko je dost daleko ? ;)....hlavne aby zitra svitilo :)..... tak dik, aspon nekdo je schopny strucne a jasne osvetlit problem,ne jako jini kteri by porad jenom nekam odkazovali (nechci nijak narazet, ale ze ty paprsky musi jit z nekonecna...asi bych nasel v ucebnici pro ZS).... > > > JM> Dneska sem byl v optice a ptal sem se jak zmerim ohnisko lupy. rikala ze to je tezke, bo lupa je naka "jina". ze to neni jak obyc cocka. obyc cocku mi zmerila. myslel sem si, ze kdyz mam treba > JM> lampu na strope, rozsvitim ji, cockou zaostrim treba na zem a zmerim vzdalenost mezi cockou a zemi. jenze tohle sem delal pak aji v kuchyni na stole (bliz k lampe) a ono me pomyslne ohnisko se > JM> posunulo......jak mam potom dal LEDku do ohniska??? nebo kde to najdu? je to popsame v navodu? nenasel sem to :/ > > JM> dik > > > > > > JM> _______________________________________________ > JM> Ronja mailing list > JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >