From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Apr 1 14:24:23 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Thu Apr 1 14:24:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AUI Port under Windoze References: Message-ID: <8106.1080825863@www42.gmx.net> As i know, there is no way to configure the AUI-Port in Windows. You have to download the Configuration tool from the 3com-Homepage, place it on a DOS-Bootdisk, and configure it from there. The Changes are stored in an EEPROM, so they are permanent. But i am not so sure, if full-duplex works with all of the cards. Regards, Sigi -- +++ NEU bei GMX und erstmalig in Deutschland: T?V-gepr?fter Virenschutz +++ 100% Virenerkennung nach Wildlist. Infos: http://www.gmx.net/virenschutz From simandl at mujmail.cz Thu Apr 1 15:01:48 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Thu Apr 1 15:01:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Any News ? In-Reply-To: <2470.1080651645@www4.gmx.net> References: <2470.1080651645@www4.gmx.net> Message-ID: <406C20CC.9020901@mujmail.cz> Hi Sigi, I'm writing just because there is no reply to your question. Crussader is not probably open project and this is the reason why I don't observe it so often. As I know they will sell some pre-fabricated modules but it will be probably without full documentation. As I know all is discussed in czech languge (more than here :) ) regards Sima Sigfried Hollrigl napsal(a): > Are there any News according to 100MBit Ronja ? > What exactly is the "Crussarder" ? > Is it open source ? > Regards, Sigi From hwsoft at penguin.cz Thu Apr 1 15:12:37 2004 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Thu Apr 1 15:12:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Any News ? In-Reply-To: <406C20CC.9020901@mujmail.cz> References: <2470.1080651645@www4.gmx.net> <406C20CC.9020901@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <20040401141237.GA27442@mail.ignum.cz> Petr Simandl pise: > Hi Sigi, > I'm writing just because there is no reply to your > question. > Crussader is not probably open project and this is the reason > why I don't observe it so often. > As I know they will sell some pre-fabricated modules but > it will be probably without full documentation. > As I know all is discussed in czech languge (more than here :) ) > regards > Sima > > Sigfried Hollrigl napsal(a): > >Are there any News according to 100MBit Ronja ? > >What exactly is the "Crussarder" ? > >Is it open source ? > >Regards, Sigi OK, in Liberec was successfully tested GPL design in name DesSto. On 350m we transfer more than 1GByte on 8MByte/s, but the documentation will be published when the first customer (sponzor) buy the prototyp for 75 000,00 Kc ($2500). Yes, DesSto is more expansive than RONJA, but today we work on cheaper design. I hope that time when full documentation be open is nearby. -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 1 17:50:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 1 17:50:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Any News ? In-Reply-To: <20040401141237.GA27442@mail.ignum.cz>; from hwsoft@penguin.cz on Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 04:12:37PM +0200 References: <2470.1080651645@www4.gmx.net> <406C20CC.9020901@mujmail.cz> <20040401141237.GA27442@mail.ignum.cz> Message-ID: <20040401165057.C1831@beton.cybernet.src> > > Sigfried Hollrigl napsal(a): > > >Are there any News according to 100MBit Ronja ? > > >What exactly is the "Crussarder" ? > > >Is it open source ? > > >Regards, Sigi > > OK, in Liberec was successfully tested GPL design in name DesSto. > On 350m we transfer more than 1GByte on 8MByte/s, but the documentation > will be published when the first customer (sponzor) buy the prototyp > for 75 000,00 Kc ($2500). Yes, DesSto is more expansive than RONJA, but > today we work on cheaper design. > I hope that time when full documentation be open is nearby. Pan Lascak me svym prispevkem inspiroval k tomu abych konecne sepsal pravidla tohohle mailing listu ;-) http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php Dal jsem tam i marblovu pripominku o tech dlouhych mailech. Cl< > > -- > Petr Lascak > ITF FreeNet Liberec > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 1 17:53:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 1 17:53:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AUI FORTE connectivity problem In-Reply-To: ; from ncsu_student@hotmail.com on Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 07:21:59PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040401165314.D1831@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 07:21:59PM -0500, NCSU Student wrote: > Hi, I am trying to implement the AUI Forte on a win98se machine using a ISA > 3com 3c509b-combo card and on another machine running win2k using a PCI 3com > 3c590-combo card. I was wondering if anyone happened to be running > something similar and if so I was wondering if when you connected the AUI > Forte to the AUI if the card recognized the connection and if it did, do you > have to have both sides fully connected in order for the AUI card to > recognize a connection? No it doesn't recognize anything. Set up AUI full duplex by downloading DOS setup program from the card vendor and running it off a bootable diskette. CL< > > Any suggestions would be helpful > Thanks > NCSU Student > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 1 17:55:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 1 17:55:58 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] Re: AUI FORTE In-Reply-To: ; from gullik.webjorn@flysta.net on Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:54:05PM +0200 References: <20040331193939.A1271@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040401165555.E1831@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:54:05PM +0200, Gullik Webjorn wrote: > Yes, there is, > > There is a function in the AUI, called heartbeat, where the collision pair > is activated briefly in the intepacket gap. This function is specificly > designed > for the purpose of detecting the successful transmission of a packet, and > to verify that the collision pair is intact. > > In half duplex mode, which is the most prevalent mode of an AUI, (even if > Clock has a different opinion) the receive pair echo the transmitted packet. > Thus some ethernet controllers actually verified that the packet was > correctly formatted onto the wire. Full duplex MAUs are not required to implement the SQE (collision detect) signal at all by IEEE 802.3. See Ronja FAQ. Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Thu Apr 1 18:02:48 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Thu Apr 1 18:02:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister Message-ID: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> Cau, mel bych par otezecek k twisterovi: 1) jak to s nim vypada? 2) jak bude reseno napajeni hlavic, kdyz z UTP 12V neleze jako z AUI? Thanks Kneza From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 1 18:31:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 1 18:31:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: ; from ncsu_student@hotmail.com on Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 12:29:01PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040401173126.F1831@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 12:29:01PM -0500, NCSU Student wrote: > Also, does anyone know how to create an AUI cross over cable so I can check > to see that I can connect AUI port of one computer to AUI port to another? > Is this even possible (A direct crossover cable connection)? http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/testing.php "Making a loopback plug" Cl< > > Are there hubs with AUI inputs? If so where can I buy one? > > Thanks > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 1 18:34:42 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 1 18:34:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 07:02:48PM +0200 References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040401173442.G1831@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 07:02:48PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Cau, > mel bych par otezecek k twisterovi: > 1) jak to s nim vypada? Momentalne se ozivuje. Doufam, ze prototyp ozivovani prezije. > 2) jak bude reseno napajeni hlavic, kdyz z UTP 12V neleze jako z AUI? Externim adapterem do zasuvky Cl< > > > Thanks > Kneza From kneza at poupe.net Thu Apr 1 18:37:35 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Thu Apr 1 18:37:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <20040401173442.G1831@beton.cybernet.src> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <20040401173442.G1831@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <406C535F.7000307@poupe.net> Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 07:02:48PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > >>Cau, >>mel bych par otezecek k twisterovi: >>1) jak to s nim vypada? > > > Momentalne se ozivuje. Doufam, ze prototyp ozivovani prezije. > Ok, priblizny date releasu, cca? >>2) jak bude reseno napajeni hlavic, kdyz z UTP 12V neleze jako z AUI? > > > Externim adapterem do zasuvky > Nejakym navrzenym, ci doporucenym ke koupi? Kneza From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 1 18:43:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 1 18:43:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <406C535F.7000307@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 07:37:35PM +0200 References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <20040401173442.G1831@beton.cybernet.src> <406C535F.7000307@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040401174337.B1955@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 07:37:35PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 07:02:48PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > > > >>Cau, > >>mel bych par otezecek k twisterovi: > >>1) jak to s nim vypada? > > > > > > Momentalne se ozivuje. Doufam, ze prototyp ozivovani prezije. > > > Ok, priblizny date releasu, cca? No nevim melo by to byt co nejdriv. Ted se na tom ozivovani pracuje. > > > >>2) jak bude reseno napajeni hlavic, kdyz z UTP 12V neleze jako z AUI? > > > > > > Externim adapterem do zasuvky > > > Nejakym navrzenym, ci doporucenym ke koupi? Jakykoliv stabilizovany adapter 12V co da potrebnej proud. Ja jsem koupil nakej v GMu (jeden mi jen tak odesel tak jsem ho vyreklamoval a mam novej ;-) ) Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Thu Apr 1 18:46:49 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Thu Apr 1 18:46:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <20040401174337.B1955@beton.cybernet.src> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <20040401173442.G1831@beton.cybernet.src> <406C535F.7000307@poupe.net> <20040401174337.B1955@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <406C5589.4080302@poupe.net> >>>>Cau, >>>>mel bych par otezecek k twisterovi: >>>>1) jak to s nim vypada? >>> >>> >>>Momentalne se ozivuje. Doufam, ze prototyp ozivovani prezije. >>> >> >>Ok, priblizny date releasu, cca? > > > No nevim melo by to byt co nejdriv. Ted se na tom ozivovani pracuje. > > Ok :-) >> >>>>2) jak bude reseno napajeni hlavic, kdyz z UTP 12V neleze jako z AUI? >>> >>> >>>Externim adapterem do zasuvky >>> >> >>Nejakym navrzenym, ci doporucenym ke koupi? > > > Jakykoliv stabilizovany adapter 12V co da potrebnej proud. Ja jsem koupil > nakej v GMu (jeden mi jen tak odesel tak jsem ho vyreklamoval a mam novej ;-) ) > Oki, kolik je potrebnej proud? Kneza From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Thu Apr 1 19:24:07 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?us-ascii?Q?Gullik_Webjorn?=) Date: Thu Apr 1 19:22:29 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] Re: AUI FORTE In-Reply-To: <20040401165555.E1831@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: No, of course not. That limits the Ronja implementation to fullduplex ONLY. This is a design tradeoff, and it seems to me from the very large amount of comments in the archives about people finding this incompatible with their equipment, that having HALF duplex and full AUI protocolls could have been a useful option. After all, full duplex is a superset of the AUI, as it is on TP and subsequent designs, not a different TYPE. The function I?m talking about is the TEST function, not the collision function. Regards, Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For Karel Kulhavy Skickat: den 1 april 2004 18:56 Till: Twibright Ronja Amne: Re: SV: [Ronja] Re: AUI FORTE On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:54:05PM +0200, Gullik Webjorn wrote: > Yes, there is, > > There is a function in the AUI, called heartbeat, where the collision pair > is activated briefly in the intepacket gap. This function is specificly > designed > for the purpose of detecting the successful transmission of a packet, and > to verify that the collision pair is intact. > > In half duplex mode, which is the most prevalent mode of an AUI, (even if > Clock has a different opinion) the receive pair echo the transmitted packet. > Thus some ethernet controllers actually verified that the packet was > correctly formatted onto the wire. Full duplex MAUs are not required to implement the SQE (collision detect) signal at all by IEEE 802.3. See Ronja FAQ. Cl< _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Thu Apr 1 19:37:38 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Thu Apr 1 19:37:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <20040401173442.G1831@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister ... > > 2) jak bude reseno napajeni hlavic, kdyz z UTP 12V neleze jako z AUI? > > Externim adapterem do zasuvky Neslo by udelat to napajeni prez TP kabel ? Neco jako http://www.hw.cz/ethernet/poe/index.html. Myslim, ze by to byla velmi uzitecna vlastnost Ronji. Nebo pak na druhou existuji zarizeni, ktera zase k sitovani pouziva elektrickeho vedeni. Mam pocit, ze to bylo i 10FD ale nevim jak by fungovali misto 220V na 12V. To zas tolik nerozumim. p0l0us > > Cl< > > > > > > Thanks > > Kneza From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Apr 2 00:16:32 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Apr 2 00:16:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><20040401173442.G1831@beton.cybernet.src> <003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak> Message-ID: <002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> No nevim, myslim, ze to prehanis ... K cemu to bude, kdyz stejnak musis napajet topeni cocek? Myslim, ze kdyz uz nekam peru takovou velkou obludarnu :-) tak k tomu tahnout TP kabel a nejakou cyky(napr.) pro napajeni je v pohode. Co kdyz v tom TP prerves jeden drat (par)? To budes tahnout celej kabel znova? Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit akorat v nouzi. Ten dalsi kabel ti to moc neprodrazi. To te vyjde draz to POE. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister ... > > 2) jak bude reseno napajeni hlavic, kdyz z UTP 12V neleze jako z AUI? > > Externim adapterem do zasuvky Neslo by udelat to napajeni prez TP kabel ? Neco jako http://www.hw.cz/ethernet/poe/index.html. Myslim, ze by to byla velmi uzitecna vlastnost Ronji. Nebo pak na druhou existuji zarizeni, ktera zase k sitovani pouziva elektrickeho vedeni. Mam pocit, ze to bylo i 10FD ale nevim jak by fungovali misto 220V na 12V. To zas tolik nerozumim. p0l0us > > Cl< > > > > > > Thanks > > Kneza _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From face at pos.sk Fri Apr 2 06:17:55 2004 From: face at pos.sk (Peter Blaho) Date: Fri Apr 2 06:16:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><20040401173442.G1831@beton.cybernet.src> <003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak> <002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <406CF783.6080601@pos.sk> Cipis wrote: >No nevim, myslim, ze to prehanis ... >K cemu to bude, kdyz stejnak musis napajet topeni cocek? >Myslim, ze kdyz uz nekam peru takovou velkou obludarnu :-) > > tak si tam natiahnem s kludnym svedomim aj dva TP kable... _face_ From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 2 08:10:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 2 08:10:20 2004 Subject: SV: SV: [Ronja] Re: AUI FORTE In-Reply-To: ; from gullik.webjorn@flysta.net on Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 08:24:07PM +0200 References: <20040401165555.E1831@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040402071013.A2419@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 08:24:07PM +0200, Gullik Webjorn wrote: > No, of course not. That limits the Ronja implementation > to fullduplex ONLY. This is a design tradeoff, and it seems > to me from the very large amount of comments in the archives > about people finding this incompatible with their equipment, > that having HALF duplex and full AUI protocolls could have been > a useful option. After all, full duplex is a superset of the AUI, > as it is on TP and subsequent designs, not a different TYPE. > > The function I?m talking about is the TEST function, not the collision > function. But is signallized through sqe (collision detect) message and this is not compulsory in fullduplex MAUs by the norm. Cl< > > Regards, > > Gullik > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For > Karel Kulhavy > Skickat: den 1 april 2004 18:56 > Till: Twibright Ronja > Amne: Re: SV: [Ronja] Re: AUI FORTE > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:54:05PM +0200, Gullik Webjorn wrote: > > Yes, there is, > > > > There is a function in the AUI, called heartbeat, where the collision pair > > is activated briefly in the intepacket gap. This function is specificly > > designed > > for the purpose of detecting the successful transmission of a packet, and > > to verify that the collision pair is intact. > > > > In half duplex mode, which is the most prevalent mode of an AUI, (even if > > Clock has a different opinion) the receive pair echo the transmitted > packet. > > Thus some ethernet controllers actually verified that the packet was > > correctly formatted onto the wire. > > Full duplex MAUs are not required to implement the SQE (collision detect) > signal at all by IEEE 802.3. See Ronja FAQ. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 2 08:11:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 2 08:11:13 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: ; from gullik.webjorn@flysta.net on Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 08:27:46PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20040402071111.B2419@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 08:27:46PM +0200, Gullik Webjorn wrote: > There is no such thing as a *passive* crossover cable. It might be possible > to cross the RX and TX pairs, en exchange traffic between two > stations depending on their implementation. There are "hubs" with AUI > connectors. Technically these are "repeaters", and extend a > half duplex collision domain. If you want a device to connect to Ronja, it > will most probably not work since Ronja cannot propagate > media conflicts. In that case you should follow Clocks advise and use IEEE 802.3 says half and full dupelx devices must not be mixed on one network. Cl< > routers / computers or other end stations that can run the > link full duplex. An old Bridge (switch) with AUI could also do the job. > > Gullik > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For NCSU > Student > Skickat: den 1 april 2004 19:29 > Till: Ronja Mailing List > Amne: [Ronja] (no subject) > > > Also, does anyone know how to create an AUI cross over cable so I can > check to see that I can connect AUI port of one computer to AUI port to > another? Is this even possible (A direct crossover cable connection)? > > > > Are there hubs with AUI inputs? If so where can I buy one? > > > > Thanks > > Scott > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hwsoft at penguin.cz Fri Apr 2 08:54:36 2004 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Fri Apr 2 08:54:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Any News ? In-Reply-To: <20040401165057.C1831@beton.cybernet.src> References: <2470.1080651645@www4.gmx.net> <406C20CC.9020901@mujmail.cz> <20040401141237.GA27442@mail.ignum.cz> <20040401165057.C1831@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040402075436.GA20657@mail.ignum.cz> Karel Kulhav? pise: > > > Sigfried Hollrigl napsal(a): > > > >Are there any News according to 100MBit Ronja ? > > > >What exactly is the "Crussarder" ? > > > >Is it open source ? > > > >Regards, Sigi > > > > OK, in Liberec was successfully tested GPL design in name DesSto. > > On 350m we transfer more than 1GByte on 8MByte/s, but the documentation > > will be published when the first customer (sponzor) buy the prototyp > > for 75 000,00 Kc ($2500). Yes, DesSto is more expansive than RONJA, but > > today we work on cheaper design. > > I hope that time when full documentation be open is nearby. > > Pan Lascak me svym prispevkem inspiroval k tomu abych konecne sepsal pravidla > tohohle mailing listu ;-) > > http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php > > Dal jsem tam i marblovu pripominku o tech dlouhych mailech. Ok, in accord the new rules i unubscribe from the list. For contact to me a my project, all info will be published on http://www.penguin.cz/~hwsoft/dessto/, or on our WEB pages http://www.lbcfree.net/index.php good bay to all ;D -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From jo_jo at post.cz Fri Apr 2 08:55:53 2004 From: jo_jo at post.cz (jo_jo) Date: Fri Apr 2 09:09:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Any News ? In-Reply-To: <20040402075436.GA20657@mail.ignum.cz> References: <2470.1080651645@www4.gmx.net> <406C20CC.9020901@mujmail.cz> <20040401141237.GA27442@mail.ignum.cz> <20040401165057.C1831@beton.cybernet.src> <20040402075436.GA20657@mail.ignum.cz> Message-ID: <406D1C89.1020009@post.cz> According to the new rules of mailing list, by IMHO, posting about TWISTER doesn' t fit this rule: "devices that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." So, please, don't disturbe this rule. > Ok, in accord the new rules i unubscribe from the list. > For contact to me a my project, all info will be published > on http://www.penguin.cz/~hwsoft/dessto/, or on our WEB pages > http://www.lbcfree.net/index.php > > good bay to all ;D > > > From hollari1 at gmx.at Fri Apr 2 09:22:57 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Fri Apr 2 09:23:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] for NCSU Student References: Message-ID: <30675.1080894177@www15.gmx.net> I?am not so sure if you can make a AUI - Crossover Cable so easily. But if you have the 3com tools, you can run some tests directly on the NIC: It has one function, where you can test a "loopback" (connect RX-TX) and you get a reply from the tool, if the data can pass. The other function is divided into "server" and "client". so you can test, if 2 NICs can talk with each other. -> If these 2 tests work, you know that your Ronja works and you only need to check your configuration. Reg., Sigi -- +++ NEU bei GMX und erstmalig in Deutschland: T?V-gepr?fter Virenschutz +++ 100% Virenerkennung nach Wildlist. Infos: http://www.gmx.net/virenschutz From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Apr 2 11:55:07 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Apr 2 11:55:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><20040401173442.G1831@beton.cybernet.src> <003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <406CF783.6080601@pos.sk> Message-ID: <002201c418a0$f6703800$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Dva TP kabely a jednu CYSY (?) tak 4x1 :-) To bude mysl?m bohate stacit. Psal jsem to nekde na czfree, proste dot?hnout 230V co nejd?l to jde a pak tam d?t zdroj a d?l to t?hnout treba tou 4x1 (je to leps? do pruchodek nez dvojlinka 2x2 nebo tak neco). Resen?m pomoc? POE clovek prijde o tu rezervu, co m? v tech 2 voln?ch p?rech kabelu. A tahat nap?jen? po TP, kter? je tam natazen? jen kvuli tomu nap?jen?? To je blbost, to nen? prim?rne urcen? na nap?jen?. To uz i ta dvojlinka je leps? ... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Blaho" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister > Cipis wrote: > > >No nevim, myslim, ze to prehanis ... > >K cemu to bude, kdyz stejnak musis napajet topeni cocek? > >Myslim, ze kdyz uz nekam peru takovou velkou obludarnu :-) > > > > > tak si tam natiahnem s kludnym svedomim aj dva TP kable... > > _face_ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 2 12:01:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 2 12:01:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Any News ? In-Reply-To: <406D1C89.1020009@post.cz>; from jo_jo@post.cz on Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 09:55:53AM +0200 References: <2470.1080651645@www4.gmx.net> <406C20CC.9020901@mujmail.cz> <20040401141237.GA27442@mail.ignum.cz> <20040401165057.C1831@beton.cybernet.src> <20040402075436.GA20657@mail.ignum.cz> <406D1C89.1020009@post.cz> Message-ID: <20040402110106.A2791@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 09:55:53AM +0200, jo_jo wrote: > According to the new rules of mailing list, by IMHO, posting about > TWISTER doesn' t fit this rule: > > "devices that don't publish the sources at the moment of the post." Thanks, fixed ;-) Cl< > > So, please, don't disturbe this rule. > > > Ok, in accord the new rules i unubscribe from the list. > > For contact to me a my project, all info will be published > > on http://www.penguin.cz/~hwsoft/dessto/, or on our WEB pages > > http://www.lbcfree.net/index.php > > > > good bay to all ;D > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 2 12:01:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 2 12:01:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: ; from ncsu_student@hotmail.com on Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 03:15:43AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040402110153.B2791@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 03:15:43AM -0500, NCSU Student wrote: > So clock on the link you gave me it said you can use a loopback plug to test > with two half duplex cards. and so you would need two of them as it stats on > the webpage but is that two in one machine or is two on two different > machines? You need Y-plug, not loopback plug, to test using two cards. The cards are in the same machine. CL< > > Thanks > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From rojoc at hotmail.com Fri Apr 2 14:57:55 2004 From: rojoc at hotmail.com (Gonzalo Gil) Date: Fri Apr 2 14:58:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Half and full duplex Message-ID: Hi, Somebody wrote:"IEEE 802.3 says half and full dupelx devices must not be mixed on one network" That's only true for a device that works in full duplex mode only. Half duplex mode is the only one supported by all the medias defined in the IEEE 802.3 standard so if you want a device to fully support the IEEE 802.3 standard then it must be able to work in half duplex mode. Gonzalo _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ncsu_student at hotmail.com Fri Apr 2 23:46:08 2004 From: ncsu_student at hotmail.com (NCSU Student) Date: Fri Apr 2 23:46:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Loupe Lens? Message-ID: I am having a hard time trying to purchase a 130 mm lens. I have tried edmund optics but they only have a 152 mm diameter, 400 mm focal length lens, however that will not fit in the box. If anyone can tell me where to buy them or if anyone has extra they would like to sell me please let me know. Thanks Scott _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 3 09:16:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 3 09:16:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Loupe Lens? In-Reply-To: ; from ncsu_student@hotmail.com on Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 05:46:08PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040403081618.B417@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 05:46:08PM -0500, NCSU Student wrote: > I am having a hard time trying to purchase a 130 mm lens. I have tried > edmund optics but they only have a 152 mm diameter, 400 mm focal length > lens, however that will not fit in the box. If anyone can tell me where to > buy them or if anyone has extra they would like to sell me please let me > know. You can try this one and adjust the optical head mechanics dimensions. Please edit the original qcad plans and post the result, so we can have a 152mm optical head :) Cl< > > Thanks > Scott From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Apr 3 11:14:30 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Apr 3 11:14:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak> <002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit akorat v > nouzi. Nevim jak moc se to projevi, ale zbyle pary (hnedy a modry) jsou jinak krouceny maji jinou charakteristickou impedanci. Pokud si dobre vzpominam jsou puvodne urceny pro nejakou telefonii. Osobne POE povazuji za optimalni reseni. Jakub From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Apr 3 11:23:01 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Apr 3 11:23:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Any News ? In-Reply-To: <20040402110106.A2791@beton.cybernet.src> References: <406D1C89.1020009@post.cz> <20040402110106.A2791@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404031223.01143.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Thanks, fixed ;-) Fixed? Where is it? Jakub From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Apr 3 11:50:14 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Apr 3 11:50:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Na tom jsi byl kde? Vsechny p?ry jsou naprosto stejn?, lis? se jenom barvou. Pro telefon jsou akor?t doporurcen? piny na RJ konektoru (4,5 tlf., 7,8 rezerva(fax)). Co si t?hnu tema p?rama, je moje vec (kdyz dodrz?m parametry kabelu), vsechny splnuj? tu uvedenou kategorii. POE tak maxim?lne pro nejak? mrnav? zar?zen? (co se t?ce odberu), napr. teplomery, cidla, mozn? AP, kdyz to nejde opravdu jinak, ale vzdy je leps? nat?hnout nap?jen? zvl?st. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister > > Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit akorat v > > nouzi. > Nevim jak moc se to projevi, ale zbyle pary (hnedy a modry) jsou jinak > krouceny maji jinou charakteristickou impedanci. > Pokud si dobre vzpominam jsou puvodne urceny pro nejakou telefonii. > Osobne POE povazuji za optimalni reseni. > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Apr 3 11:58:30 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Apr 3 11:58:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <200404031258.30420.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Saturday 03 of April 2004 12:50, Cipis wrote: > Na tom jsi byl kde? Uz nevim, nekde na webu beldenu, kdyz jsem hledal info o mernem odporu zil TP kabelu. Hledal jsem jinou informaci, tak jsem tomu nevenoval prilis pozornosti, ale zarazilo mne to. Jakub > Vsechny p?ry jsou naprosto stejn?, lis? se jenom barvou. > Pro telefon jsou akor?t doporurcen? piny na RJ konektoru (4,5 tlf., 7,8 > rezerva(fax)). > Co si t?hnu tema p?rama, je moje vec (kdyz dodrz?m parametry kabelu), > vsechny splnuj? tu uvedenou kategorii. > POE tak maxim?lne pro nejak? mrnav? zar?zen? (co se t?ce odberu), napr. > teplomery, cidla, > mozn? AP, kdyz to nejde opravdu jinak, ale vzdy je leps? nat?hnout nap?jen? > zvl?st. > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister > > > > Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit akorat > > v > > > > nouzi. > > > > Nevim jak moc se to projevi, ale zbyle pary (hnedy a modry) jsou jinak > > krouceny maji jinou charakteristickou impedanci. > > Pokud si dobre vzpominam jsou puvodne urceny pro nejakou telefonii. > > Osobne POE povazuji za optimalni reseni. > > Jakub > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sat Apr 3 12:17:25 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Apr 3 12:17:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <00a801c4196d$3ea5cf00$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister > Na tom jsi byl kde? > Vsechny p?ry jsou naprosto stejn?, lis? se jenom barvou. > Pro telefon jsou akor?t doporurcen? piny na RJ konektoru (4,5 tlf., 7,8 > rezerva(fax)). > Co si t?hnu tema p?rama, je moje vec (kdyz dodrz?m parametry kabelu), > vsechny splnuj? tu uvedenou kategorii. Takze ty ostatni draty k nicemu neslouzi (jenom ty dva Rx a Tx pary) ? Nebo maj nejakou jeste treba stinici vlastnost ? Konkretne se ptam na to, kdyz to UTP prestipnu (mimo tech ctyr Rx a Tx paru), tak si tam muzu dat co chci ? > POE tak maxim?lne pro nejak? mrnav? zar?zen? (co se t?ce odberu), napr. > teplomery, cidla, > mozn? AP, kdyz to nejde opravdu jinak, ale vzdy je leps? nat?hnout nap?jen? > zvl?st. > > Cipis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister > > > > > Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit akorat > v > > > nouzi. > > Nevim jak moc se to projevi, ale zbyle pary (hnedy a modry) jsou jinak > > krouceny maji jinou charakteristickou impedanci. > > Pokud si dobre vzpominam jsou puvodne urceny pro nejakou telefonii. > > Osobne POE povazuji za optimalni reseni. > > Jakub > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From punjab at punjabcz.net Sat Apr 3 12:56:59 2004 From: punjab at punjabcz.net (punjab) Date: Sat Apr 3 12:57:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <00a801c4196d$3ea5cf00$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <00a801c4196d$3ea5cf00$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> Message-ID: <406EA68B.7020702@punjabcz.net> Podle me ano. > >Takze ty ostatni draty k nicemu neslouzi (jenom ty dva Rx a Tx pary) ? >Nebo maj nejakou jeste treba stinici vlastnost ? >Konkretne se ptam na to, kdyz to UTP prestipnu (mimo tech ctyr Rx a Tx >paru), tak si tam muzu dat co chci ? > > > From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 3 13:11:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Apr 3 13:11:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:14:30PM +0200 References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak> <002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:14:30PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit akorat v > > nouzi. > Nevim jak moc se to projevi, ale zbyle pary (hnedy a modry) jsou jinak > krouceny maji jinou charakteristickou impedanci. Nejaky odkaz na datasheet kabelu v kterem se tohle pise nebo tak neco takoveho? Cl< > Pokud si dobre vzpominam jsou puvodne urceny pro nejakou telefonii. > Osobne POE povazuji za optimalni reseni. > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 3 13:12:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Sat Apr 3 13:12:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Any News ? In-Reply-To: <200404031223.01143.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:23:01PM +0200 References: <406D1C89.1020009@post.cz> <20040402110106.A2791@beton.cybernet.src> <200404031223.01143.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040403121215.C1572@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:23:01PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Thanks, fixed ;-) > Fixed? > Where is it? > Jakub http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Apr 3 13:41:56 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Apr 3 13:42:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <00a801c4196d$3ea5cf00$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> Message-ID: <001201c41979$0c92c8e0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Jasne, vsechno, co ten kabel snese. Mysl?m je do 60V nebo tak nejak, proud je omezen? prurezem, ale z hlavy nev?m, kolik. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister Takze ty ostatni draty k nicemu neslouzi (jenom ty dva Rx a Tx pary) ? Nebo maj nejakou jeste treba stinici vlastnost ? Konkretne se ptam na to, kdyz to UTP prestipnu (mimo tech ctyr Rx a Tx paru), tak si tam muzu dat co chci ? From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Apr 3 13:44:37 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Apr 3 13:44:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <200404031258.30420.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002401c41979$6c4c6660$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Nekoukal ses n?hodou pro nejak? TP pro zabezpecovacky? Ony se totiz delaj? i kabely, co maj? treba x p?ru TP (pro data) a y p?ru na nap?jen?. Takov? kabel by byl samozrejme nejleps?, bohuzel cena je vyss? nez soucet obyc. TP kategorie 5 a dvojlinky (ctyrlinky..) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister On Saturday 03 of April 2004 12:50, Cipis wrote: > Na tom jsi byl kde? Uz nevim, nekde na webu beldenu, kdyz jsem hledal info o mernem odporu zil TP kabelu. Hledal jsem jinou informaci, tak jsem tomu nevenoval prilis pozornosti, ale zarazilo mne to. Jakub From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Apr 3 13:47:07 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Apr 3 13:47:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Any News ? References: <406D1C89.1020009@post.cz><20040402110106.A2791@beton.cybernet.src><200404031223.01143.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040403121215.C1572@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002c01c41979$c5c55e40$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Mysl?m, ze to je v tomto: "other than Ronja" :-)) Cipis P.S. Clocku, jak pokracuj? pr?ce? Uz jsi to odpravil:-)? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Any News ? > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:23:01PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > Thanks, fixed ;-) > > Fixed? > > Where is it? > > Jakub > > http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sat Apr 3 13:54:27 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Apr 3 13:54:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031258.30420.ladmanj@volny.cz> <002401c41979$6c4c6660$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <00f101c4197a$cdfe8310$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister > Nekoukal ses n?hodou pro nejak? TP pro zabezpecovacky? > Ony se totiz delaj? i kabely, co maj? treba x p?ru TP (pro data) a y p?ru na > nap?jen?. > Takov? kabel by byl samozrejme nejleps?, bohuzel cena je vyss? nez soucet > obyc. TP kategorie 5 a dvojlinky (ctyrlinky..) > > Cipis Rekl bych, ze pri natahovani dvou kabelu (TP a Napajeni) je vetsi pravdepodobnost ze clovek udela chybu nez pri jednom.. taky ze TP je lip chraneny vuci poskozeni nez normali levna dvojlinka. polous From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 3 13:54:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 3 13:54:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Any News ? In-Reply-To: <002c01c41979$c5c55e40$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 02:47:07PM +0200 References: <406D1C89.1020009@post.cz><20040402110106.A2791@beton.cybernet.src><200404031223.01143.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040403121215.C1572@beton.cybernet.src> <002c01c41979$c5c55e40$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040403125438.A1852@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 02:47:07PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > Mysl?m, ze to je v tomto: "other than Ronja" :-)) > > Cipis > > P.S. Clocku, jak pokracuj? pr?ce? Uz jsi to odpravil:-)? No nejaky chyby se tam nasly, uz jsou opraveny ve zdrojacich a ted se to opravuje na tistaku. Cl< From polous at katka.biz Sat Apr 3 17:49:21 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Apr 3 17:49:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl UTP 0.3 - popis schematu References: <406D1C89.1020009@post.cz><20040402110106.A2791@beton.cybernet.src><200404031223.01143.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121215.C1572@beton.cybernet.src><002c01c41979$c5c55e40$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040403125438.A1852@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <011901c4199b$9e6e4ab0$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> Zdravim, nemoh by ste se nekdo kouknout na http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/utp_popis.png a napsat mi, jestli je muj popis Rx casti UTP spravny ? ladim ho resp chystam se na to vecer a tedka sem v teto casti, tak abych neladil blbosti... az to naladim, tak napisu popis co jsem kde steloval a cim - pridam take zkusenosti co bude mit shipo, ktery na tom pracuje prave tedka ;-) Pekny den vsem a dik .. p0l0us polous (at) katka (dot) biz From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Apr 3 18:21:46 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Apr 3 18:21:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031258.30420.ladmanj@volny.cz><002401c41979$6c4c6660$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <00f101c4197a$cdfe8310$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> Message-ID: <001c01c419a0$242235a0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Chybu sp?s udel?s v tom POE a to je pak hors?, kdyz nap?jen? pust?s do dat. TP je proste sdelovac? kabel, pro nap?jen? jsou jin? kabely. CYSY 4x1 vydrz? urcite v?c nez UTP :-) Levn?, no, stoj? asi 10-12 Kc metr, UTP 4 Kc, kolik stoj? to pro zabezpecovacky, to uz nev?m. Cipis Rekl bych, ze pri natahovani dvou kabelu (TP a Napajeni) je vetsi pravdepodobnost ze clovek udela chybu nez pri jednom.. taky ze TP je lip chraneny vuci poskozeni nez normali levna dvojlinka. polous _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Sat Apr 3 18:51:12 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sat Apr 3 18:51:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <001c01c419a0$242235a0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031258.30420.ladmanj@volny.cz><002401c41979$6c4c6660$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <00f101c4197a$cdfe8310$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> <001c01c419a0$242235a0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <406EF990.10207@host.sk> POE riesenie ma svoj standard 802.3ef alebo nieco take velmi podobne - existuju na to velmi jednoduche a relativne lacne riesenia kde sa nachadzaju dva kusy - jeden sa da na zaciatok ethernet kablu a rozdvojuje sa na DATA IN a MIXED OUT kde data in je input z kabelazovej siete a MIXED je output kde sa mixuje data a POE (samozrejme POE po volnych 4 zilach) ktore by malo byt podla standardu okolo 46 Volvot (alebo 42, neviem presne; DC) pricom tato strana sa pripaja priamo do ~220V. Na druhom konci je vstup a vystupy na volene napatie (vacsinou 5, 9, 12V) samozrejme jednosmerneho napatia a na ciste data (RJ45). Je to riesenie ktore napriklad na slovensku predava firma NETCONS za cca 1000 SK (povedzme 800CZK). POE nie jepodla mna zaujimave riesit ked existuju take jednoduche a relativne lacne kompletne riesenia. My ich par pouzivame a funguju pre WIFI AP uplne dobre. Kebyze to je 100Mbit tak je to diskutabilne, ale pokial to splna standard tak nevidim problem ani v 100Mbite. maco Cipis wrote: >Chybu sp?s udel?s v tom POE a to je pak hors?, kdyz nap?jen? pust?s do dat. >TP je proste sdelovac? kabel, pro nap?jen? jsou jin? kabely. >CYSY 4x1 vydrz? urcite v?c nez UTP :-) >Levn?, no, stoj? asi 10-12 Kc metr, UTP 4 Kc, kolik stoj? to pro >zabezpecovacky, to uz nev?m. > >Cipis > > > > >Rekl bych, ze pri natahovani dvou kabelu (TP a Napajeni) je vetsi >pravdepodobnost ze clovek udela chybu nez pri jednom.. taky ze TP je lip >chraneny vuci poskozeni nez normali levna dvojlinka. > >polous > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.701 (20040401) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sat Apr 3 20:16:23 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sat Apr 3 20:16:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Tx LED? In-Reply-To: <00a801c4196d$3ea5cf00$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> Message-ID: <485181.2538496-21283-1577315156-1081019783@seznam.cz> Vyzva vsem. Shanim oroginalni LED diody k Ronje. Tak 6ks (+/-). Jsem z Prahy a docela to specha. Diky moc vsem. Neo10 as Damir ?poljari? - PC Sv?t.net ____________________________________________________________ Nakup ojeteho vozu ... v pohode na http://www.vyzkouseno.cz From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 3 20:35:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 3 20:35:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <406EF990.10207@host.sk>; from maco@host.sk on Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 07:51:12PM +0200 References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031258.30420.ladmanj@volny.cz><002401c41979$6c4c6660$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <00f101c4197a$cdfe8310$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> <001c01c419a0$242235a0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <406EF990.10207@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040403193533.B2767@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 07:51:12PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > POE riesenie ma svoj standard 802.3ef alebo nieco take velmi podobne - > existuju na to velmi jednoduche a relativne lacne riesenia kde sa > nachadzaju dva kusy - jeden sa da na zaciatok ethernet kablu a > rozdvojuje sa na DATA IN a MIXED OUT kde data in je input z kabelazovej > siete a MIXED je output kde sa mixuje data a POE (samozrejme POE po > volnych 4 zilach) ktore by malo byt podla standardu okolo 46 Volvot > (alebo 42, neviem presne; DC) pricom tato strana sa pripaja priamo do > ~220V. Na druhom konci je vstup a vystupy na volene napatie (vacsinou 5, > 9, 12V) samozrejme jednosmerneho napatia a na ciste data (RJ45). Je to > riesenie ktore napriklad na slovensku predava firma NETCONS za cca 1000 > SK (povedzme 800CZK). To je dobry. Zvysit cenu elektroniky o 150-200% ;-) Cl< From polous at katka.biz Sat Apr 3 21:25:04 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Apr 3 21:24:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl UTP 0.3 - popis schematu, navod k ladeni ... co chybi u simandla References: <406D1C89.1020009@post.cz><20040402110106.A2791@beton.cybernet.src><200404031223.01143.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121215.C1572@beton.cybernet.src><002c01c41979$c5c55e40$5046a8c0@cipis.net><20040403125438.A1852@beton.cybernet.src> <011901c4199b$9e6e4ab0$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> Message-ID: <015501c419b9$bfae93b0$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> mno tak snad to mam spravne, takze tady je popis funkcnosti schematu (hlavne logiky) a poznatky s ladeni. Pomuze to hlavne, pokud budete ladit osciloskopem. Mozna by stacil jen multimetr s mericem frekvence. Pri laborovani sem si odpalil nekolik 74HCxx tak pozor na to :) Jeste dodam, ze frekvence generatoru: * 1Mhz (4Mhz na IC8 pin 8) se ladi odporem R18, mne osone tam vysel odpor 1k8. * 62.5Hz (250Hz na IC3D pin 11) se ladi odporem R12. Ja tam dal 39Ohmu, presne mi vysel 44.2Ohmu ale nehctelo se mi ho skladat. 47Ohmu mi generoval frekvenci cca 1000Hz => misto 62.5 bylo 250. * K ladeni doporucuju pouzit promeny odpory pro R18 2k2 pro R12 47Ohmu. dalsi veci najdete tady: http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/utp_popis.htm http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/utp_popis.png datasheety k 74HCxx sou tady http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/datasheets/ Omlouvam se, kdyz to nepujde. smeruje to na muj Pc doma a obcas mi tu czfree vypadne nebo musim restartovat. V tom pripade to skuste pozdeji nebo napiste ja to poslu majlem. Na czfree.net me najdete na polous.wandering.repy.czf [10.21.5.72]. doufam, ze se na me clocku nenastves a nevykopnes me ... vim ze to nejni Ronja (R), ale par lidi to stavi... chapes :) (tvuj negativni postoj k Rysovym navrhum bez podkladu ci Desstu zas chapu ja ... koukal sem na to jak na dort v televizi) p0l0us (spolupracuji Honzina, Shipo) polous@katka.biz From maco at host.sk Sat Apr 3 21:58:47 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sat Apr 3 21:58:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <20040403193533.B2767@beton.cybernet.src> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031258.30420.ladmanj@volny.cz><002401c41979$6c4c6660$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <00f101c4197a$cdfe8310$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> <001c01c419a0$242235a0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <406EF990.10207@host.sk> <20040403193533.B2767@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <406F2587.7010403@host.sk> v tom pripade nie je vobec relevantne sa o POE bavit pokial to chces mat vsetko podla specifikacii. ty sam sa tych sialenych papierov drzis zubami nechtami tak ja nechapem preco sa o tom teda bavime clock - vsetka ucta k tebe, ale niekedy dokazes mat velmi neprijemne poznamky - myslim, ze vsetci ti dakujeme za to, ze vedies tento projekt a dokazal si ho dotiahnut do takehoto stadia, ale mozno by sa mohol trosku zmenit tvoj pristup k samotnym pouzivatelom. m. Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 07:51:12PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > >>POE riesenie ma svoj standard 802.3ef alebo nieco take velmi podobne - >>existuju na to velmi jednoduche a relativne lacne riesenia kde sa >>nachadzaju dva kusy - jeden sa da na zaciatok ethernet kablu a >>rozdvojuje sa na DATA IN a MIXED OUT kde data in je input z kabelazovej >>siete a MIXED je output kde sa mixuje data a POE (samozrejme POE po >>volnych 4 zilach) ktore by malo byt podla standardu okolo 46 Volvot >>(alebo 42, neviem presne; DC) pricom tato strana sa pripaja priamo do >>~220V. Na druhom konci je vstup a vystupy na volene napatie (vacsinou 5, >>9, 12V) samozrejme jednosmerneho napatia a na ciste data (RJ45). Je to >>riesenie ktore napriklad na slovensku predava firma NETCONS za cca 1000 >>SK (povedzme 800CZK). >> >> > >To je dobry. Zvysit cenu elektroniky o 150-200% ;-) > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.702 (20040403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From ncsu_student at hotmail.com Sat Apr 3 22:00:28 2004 From: ncsu_student at hotmail.com (NCSU Student) Date: Sat Apr 3 22:00:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rx led and receiver problem Message-ID: We have built the ronja receiver to specs except for the BF908 chip which we were unable to find so we called some companies and asked about replcements for the ones you suggested on the schematics and they suggested a replacement chip called the NTE455 which is a replacement for the BF960. When we put the chip on our board we were getting 11.5 volts at P104 using the 560 ohms for the R106 tuning. We then swapped out the R106 tunning for R137, 1.8K and now we are getting 7.2 volts at p104. Is this voltage acceptable? Also we are getting 3.5 volts all the time across the rssi no matter is the lights are on or off or the tx led is shinning in it or not. What could the problem be with this? Lastly, when we plug the receiver to the AUI, the green LED comes on and stays on. What could be happening here to cause that? Also what is the purpose of the BF908 in the circuit? Thanks Scott _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sat Apr 3 22:02:01 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sat Apr 3 22:02:08 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Simandl=20UTP=200=2E3=20=2D=20popis=20schematu=2C=20navod=20k=20ladeni=20=2E=2E=2E=20co=20chybi=20u=20simandla?= In-Reply-To: <015501c419b9$bfae93b0$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> Message-ID: <709266.3450427-8950-1233755674-1081026121@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Martin Polehla" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): honzina@sendme.cz, shipo@email.cz P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Simandl UTP 0.3 - popis schematu, navod k ladeni ... co chybi u simandla Datum (Date): 3. 4. 2004 22:25 ================================================== > mno tak snad to mam spravne, takze tady je popis funkcnosti schematu (hlavne > logiky) a poznatky s ladeni. Pomuze to hlavne, pokud budete ladit > osciloskopem. Mozna by stacil jen multimetr s mericem frekvence. Pri > laborovani sem si odpalil nekolik 74HCxx tak pozor na to :) > > Jeste dodam, ze frekvence generatoru: > * 1Mhz (4Mhz na IC8 pin 8) se ladi odporem R18, mne osone tam vysel odpor > 1k8. > * 62.5Hz (250Hz na IC3D pin 11) se ladi odporem R12. Ja tam dal 39Ohmu, > presne mi vysel 44.2Ohmu ale nehctelo se mi ho skladat. 47Ohmu mi generoval > frekvenci cca 1000Hz => misto 62.5 bylo 250. > * K ladeni doporucuju pouzit promeny odpory pro R18 2k2 pro R12 47Ohmu. > > dalsi veci najdete tady: > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/utp_popis.htm > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/utp_popis.png > > datasheety k 74HCxx sou tady > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/datasheets/ > > Omlouvam se, kdyz to nepujde. smeruje to na muj Pc doma a obcas mi tu czfree > vypadne nebo musim restartovat. V tom pripade to skuste pozdeji nebo napiste > ja to poslu majlem. Na czfree.net me najdete na polous.wandering.repy.czf > [10.21.5.72]. > > doufam, ze se na me clocku nenastves a nevykopnes me ... vim ze to nejni > Ronja (R), ale par lidi to stavi... chapes :) > (tvuj negativni postoj k Rysovym navrhum bez podkladu ci Desstu zas chapu ja > ... koukal sem na to jak na dort v televizi) > > p0l0us (spolupracuji Honzina, Shipo) > polous@katka.biz zajima me, jestli jsi ty soucastky pajel primo k desce nebo o neco vys. Nekdo rika ze by mely byt 4mm na DPS. ____________________________________________________________ L?tejte si po Evrop? od 1590 K?! http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=72890%26url=http://www.smartwings.net From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Apr 3 22:15:46 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Apr 3 22:15:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] POE Was: Twister In-Reply-To: <20040403193533.B2767@beton.cybernet.src> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <406EF990.10207@host.sk> <20040403193533.B2767@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404032315.47217.ladmanj@volny.cz> POE je dobre reseni pro toho komu se libi ze je zarizeni pripojeno pouze jednim kabelem jako mne. Pokud je pouzit extra kabel, tak: bud 1) stejny problem jako POE - tj ubytek napeti na kabelu - stejne reseni -> u kompu zdroj 50V u zarizeni zdroj 5V (12V a pod.) PR: zatez: U=5V I=1A tj. 5W kabel: l=100m ro=0.1Ohm/m tj. 20Ohm 1) Bez menice na konci - I=1A - ubytek 20V -> vykonova ztrata 20W (na zacatku vedeni 25V) 2) S menicem na konci - I=100mA -ubytek 2V -> vykonova ztrata 0.2W (na zacatku vedeni 50V) Nebo natahnout az do bezprostredni blizkosti 230V, coz 1) muze byt nekdy v rozporu s normami pripadne nutnost pouzit financne narocny odolny kabel a skrinku zdroje. Vzhledem k tomu ze postavit zdroj 48/5V je levnounke a jedoduche (pochopitelne ne linearni) nemam, ja osobne, co resit. Levne 48V trafo - TP kabel, ktery uz stejne je koupeny, a spinany zdrojik na konec za bratru kilo az dve. Stoji to za uvahu. Nejdulezitejsi parametry jsou vzdalenost a bezpecnostni podminky v miste instalace. Jakub From maco at host.sk Sat Apr 3 22:22:51 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Sat Apr 3 22:22:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] POE Was: Twister In-Reply-To: <200404032315.47217.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <406EF990.10207@host.sk> <20040403193533.B2767@beton.cybernet.src> <200404032315.47217.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <406F2B2B.70105@host.sk> Mas prosim ta nejake navody ako spravit prevodnik z tych povedzme 48V na 5V, resp 12V ktore by napajali ronju? Ja nie som elektrotechnik ani nic podobne, teda sa v tom velmi nevyznam, ale ak uvidim schemu tak mi to dojde. Celkom by sa mi to zislo a usetril by som si tak par $$ :) dakujeem m. Jakub Ladman wrote: >POE je dobre reseni pro toho komu se libi ze je zarizeni pripojeno pouze >jednim kabelem jako mne. > >Pokud je pouzit extra kabel, tak: >bud 1) stejny problem jako POE - tj ubytek napeti na kabelu - stejne reseni -> >u kompu zdroj 50V u zarizeni zdroj 5V (12V a pod.) >PR: >zatez: U=5V I=1A tj. 5W >kabel: l=100m ro=0.1Ohm/m tj. 20Ohm >1) Bez menice na konci - I=1A - ubytek 20V -> vykonova ztrata 20W (na zacatku >vedeni 25V) >2) S menicem na konci - I=100mA -ubytek 2V -> vykonova ztrata 0.2W (na zacatku >vedeni 50V) > >Nebo natahnout az do bezprostredni blizkosti 230V, coz 1) muze byt nekdy v >rozporu s normami pripadne nutnost pouzit financne narocny odolny kabel a >skrinku zdroje. > >Vzhledem k tomu ze postavit zdroj 48/5V je levnounke a jedoduche (pochopitelne >ne linearni) nemam, ja osobne, co resit. >Levne 48V trafo - TP kabel, ktery uz stejne je koupeny, a spinany zdrojik na >konec za bratru kilo az dve. >Stoji to za uvahu. >Nejdulezitejsi parametry jsou vzdalenost a bezpecnostni podminky v miste >instalace. >Jakub > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.702 (20040403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From polous at katka.biz Sat Apr 3 22:24:17 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Apr 3 22:24:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl UTP 0.3 - popis schematu, navod k ladeni ... co chybi u simandla References: <709266.3450427-8950-1233755674-1081026121@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <017601c419c2$06864870$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> pulku na desce, pak sem si precet Rysovu poznamku co je u simandla a pajel to vys. Byt tebou tak to tak udelam. Myslim, ze dulezitejsi je abys dal ty brouky do patic[14pin]. Nerozvoras si tolik DPS v pripade, kdyz odpalis brouka a nehrozi, ze je pri pajeni nejak upalis - jestli nejsi prilis zdatny pajec. Aspon ty 74HCxx. Jeste ti muzu doporucit pripajet patice (hlavne IC7) driv, nez okolni soucastky, protoze ten kondik vedle je tam hodne tesny jestli si dobre vzpominam a musel sem ho kvuli tomu vyndavat. Osazovani doporucuju delat zvlast TP1 a po nem teprv TP2. je to sice casove narocnejsi, ale mas velkou sanci, ze odhalis vetsinu svych chyb pouze tim, ze najdes rozdily (jak ve hre na bystrost). ;-) Asi ne vsechny ale dost to pomuze - teda jestli vubec naky bugy udelas... At se dilo podari p0l0us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damir ?poljari?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Simandl UTP 0.3 - popis schematu, navod k ladeni ... co chybi u simandla zajima me, jestli jsi ty soucastky pajel primo k desce nebo o neco vys. Nekdo rika ze by mely byt 4mm na DPS. ____________________________________________________________ L?tejte si po Evrop? od 1590 K?! http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=72890%26url=http://www.smartwings.net _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sat Apr 3 22:29:53 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Apr 3 22:29:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031258.30420.ladmanj@volny.cz><002401c41979$6c4c6660$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <00f101c4197a$cdfe8310$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> <001c01c419a0$242235a0$5046a8c0@cipis.net><406EF990.10207@host.sk> <20040403193533.B2767@beton.cybernet.src> <406F2587.7010403@host.sk> Message-ID: <017701c419c2$cda68a50$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> rek bych, ze cena je dost dulezita ... sam tomu tolik nerozumim, ale myslenka POE se mi libi pokud by byla moznost to vyrobit za levno - ne koupit za x stovek/tisic tak proce ze ? :) nekde sem cet, ze ronja ma v popisu LEVNE Opticke Pojitko.. neveril sem, ze ma smysl usetrit 250kc na tistakach, ale ono je to jinak - nema cenu utracet za tistaky (zvlastne Rx) :) --- vlastni smutna zkusenost, treba se s toho nekdo pouci... p0l0us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Hecko" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister v tom pripade nie je vobec relevantne sa o POE bavit pokial to chces mat vsetko podla specifikacii. ty sam sa tych sialenych papierov drzis zubami nechtami tak ja nechapem preco sa o tom teda bavime clock - vsetka ucta k tebe, ale niekedy dokazes mat velmi neprijemne poznamky - myslim, ze vsetci ti dakujeme za to, ze vedies tento projekt a dokazal si ho dotiahnut do takehoto stadia, ale mozno by sa mohol trosku zmenit tvoj pristup k samotnym pouzivatelom. m. Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 07:51:12PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > >>POE riesenie ma svoj standard 802.3ef alebo nieco take velmi podobne - >>existuju na to velmi jednoduche a relativne lacne riesenia kde sa >>nachadzaju dva kusy - jeden sa da na zaciatok ethernet kablu a >>rozdvojuje sa na DATA IN a MIXED OUT kde data in je input z kabelazovej >>siete a MIXED je output kde sa mixuje data a POE (samozrejme POE po >>volnych 4 zilach) ktore by malo byt podla standardu okolo 46 Volvot >>(alebo 42, neviem presne; DC) pricom tato strana sa pripaja priamo do >>~220V. Na druhom konci je vstup a vystupy na volene napatie (vacsinou 5, >>9, 12V) samozrejme jednosmerneho napatia a na ciste data (RJ45). Je to >>riesenie ktore napriklad na slovensku predava firma NETCONS za cca 1000 >>SK (povedzme 800CZK). >> >> > >To je dobry. Zvysit cenu elektroniky o 150-200% ;-) > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.702 (20040403) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Apr 3 22:40:00 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sat Apr 3 22:40:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] POE Was: Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><406EF990.10207@host.sk> <20040403193533.B2767@beton.cybernet.src><200404032315.47217.ladmanj@volny.cz> <406F2B2B.70105@host.sk> Message-ID: <000d01c419c4$3847cad0$0103450a@thechosen> ja pouzivam k napajeni ap tohle, musi se dat calculate :) sme si pohral a pocita to ten menic online. ja to mam jen z asi 12V na 5 ale i tam je to znat, neni problem tam poslat tech 48V ale mozna by to chtelo uz upravicku, nevim jake max napajeni mzue mit ten mc..... cenove to prijde prakticky na par korun, hlavne kdzyse ta indukcnost udela rucne. http://home.glottis.net:8888n/php/pss/ > Mas prosim ta nejake navody ako spravit prevodnik z tych povedzme 48V na > 5V, resp 12V ktore by napajali ronju? > Ja nie som elektrotechnik ani nic podobne, teda sa v tom velmi nevyznam, > ale ak uvidim schemu tak mi to dojde. > > Celkom by sa mi to zislo a usetril by som si tak par $$ :) > > dakujeem From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun Apr 4 01:14:45 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun Apr 4 01:14:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] POE Was: Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <406EF990.10207@host.sk><20040403193533.B2767@beton.cybernet.src> <200404032315.47217.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002701c419d9$d5fad640$5046a8c0@cipis.net> no j? nev?m, ale impulzn? zdroj/menic taky nen? dvakr?t bezpecn?-poserou se mnohem snadneji klasick? line?rn? zdroj je nejleps?, zvl?st pokud chces usetrit, tak ten sp?nan? logicky mus?s odfl?knout nikdy nev?s, jak dobre odfiltrujes vselijakej binec z nap?jen? a pokud uz ti kmit? samotn? obvod, kter? t?m chces nap?jet, tak ten sp?nan? zdroj ti k tomu jeste neco prid? zkr?tka, pouz?t tenk? dr?ty v TP na nap?jen? opravdu jen v nejnutnejs?m pr?pade jinak co nejd?l to jde, tak nat?hnout 230V, pak d?t klasick? zdroj a na tech 10-20 metrech 4x1 bude nic moc ?bytek Cipis From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 4 09:43:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 4 09:43:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?Twister_progress_report_/_zpr=E1va_o_postu?= =?iso-8859-2?q?pu?= Message-ID: <20040404084303.A368@beton.cybernet.src> The PCB Twister is running at the moment. This message is sent over a PCB Twister connected in a real Ronja line. Now it is being tested for performance. Twister na ti???ku u? funguje. Tahle zpr?va pro?la p?es Twister na ti???ku zapojen? v re?ln? Ronja lince. Moment?ln? se testuje na kvalitu. Cl< From jakub at lysafree.net Sun Apr 4 11:21:26 2004 From: jakub at lysafree.net (Jakub Nedoma) Date: Sun Apr 4 11:19:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dosah x mlha Message-ID: <713482468.20040404122126@lysafree.net> Ahoj, chtěl bych se zeptat, jaké máte zkušenosti s působením mlhy na spoje malé vzdálenosti. Kdybych měl spoj řekněme 300 metrů s 130mm čočkama, fungovalo by to i v mlze bez nutný wifi zálohy? Předem dík za odpovědi. s pozdravem, Jakub Nedoma mailto:jakub@lysafree.net From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 4 11:51:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 4 11:51:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <406F2587.7010403@host.sk>; from maco@host.sk on Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 10:58:47PM +0200 References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><000d01c41969$71e4d860$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031258.30420.ladmanj@volny.cz><002401c41979$6c4c6660$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <00f101c4197a$cdfe8310$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> <001c01c419a0$242235a0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <406EF990.10207@host.sk> <20040403193533.B2767@beton.cybernet.src> <406F2587.7010403@host.sk> Message-ID: <20040404105138.A872@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 10:58:47PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > v tom pripade nie je vobec relevantne sa o POE bavit pokial to chces mat > vsetko podla specifikacii. > ty sam sa tych sialenych papierov drzis zubami nechtami tak ja nechapem > preco sa o tom teda bavime > > clock - vsetka ucta k tebe, ale niekedy dokazes mat velmi neprijemne > poznamky - myslim, ze vsetci ti dakujeme za to, ze Nojo kdyz clovek chce neco dat najevo co nejvyraznejsim zpusobem tak z toho vznikne casto neprijemna poznamka ;-) Ale ja jich mam uz tolik ze snad vsichni museli pochopit, ze je nemyslim tak vazne, ne? ;-) Cl< > vedies tento projekt a dokazal si ho dotiahnut do takehoto stadia, ale > mozno by sa mohol trosku zmenit tvoj pristup > k samotnym pouzivatelom. > > m. > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > >On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 07:51:12PM +0200, Marcel Hecko wrote: > > > > > >>POE riesenie ma svoj standard 802.3ef alebo nieco take velmi podobne - > >>existuju na to velmi jednoduche a relativne lacne riesenia kde sa > >>nachadzaju dva kusy - jeden sa da na zaciatok ethernet kablu a > >>rozdvojuje sa na DATA IN a MIXED OUT kde data in je input z kabelazovej > >>siete a MIXED je output kde sa mixuje data a POE (samozrejme POE po > >>volnych 4 zilach) ktore by malo byt podla standardu okolo 46 Volvot > >>(alebo 42, neviem presne; DC) pricom tato strana sa pripaja priamo do > >>~220V. Na druhom konci je vstup a vystupy na volene napatie (vacsinou 5, > >>9, 12V) samozrejme jednosmerneho napatia a na ciste data (RJ45). Je to > >>riesenie ktore napriklad na slovensku predava firma NETCONS za cca 1000 > >>SK (povedzme 800CZK). > >> > >> > > > >To je dobry. Zvysit cenu elektroniky o 150-200% ;-) > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >__________ NOD32 1.702 (20040403) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 4 11:55:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 4 11:55:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl UTP 0.3 - popis schematu, navod k ladeni ... co chybi u simandla In-Reply-To: <709266.3450427-8950-1233755674-1081026121@seznam.cz>; from Damir.Spoljaric@seznam.cz on Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 11:02:01PM +0200 References: <015501c419b9$bfae93b0$4805150a@HYPERCOMP> <709266.3450427-8950-1233755674-1081026121@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040404105518.B872@beton.cybernet.src> > > datasheety k 74HCxx sou tady > > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/datasheets/ > > > > Omlouvam se, kdyz to nepujde. smeruje to na muj Pc doma a obcas mi tu czfree > > vypadne nebo musim restartovat. V tom pripade to skuste pozdeji nebo napiste > > ja to poslu majlem. Na czfree.net me najdete na polous.wandering.repy.czf > > [10.21.5.72]. > > > > doufam, ze se na me clocku nenastves a nevykopnes me ... vim ze to nejni > > Ronja (R), ale par lidi to stavi... chapes :) > > (tvuj negativni postoj k Rysovym navrhum bez podkladu ci Desstu zas chapu ja > > ... koukal sem na to jak na dort v televizi) To je OK. Simandl si vyrobil vlastni derivat z Ronji a uverejnil to na webu - neni to Ronja, ale ma to uverejnene dokumentace na webu :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 4 12:15:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 4 12:15:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] dosah x mlha In-Reply-To: <713482468.20040404122126@lysafree.net>; from jakub@lysafree.net on Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:21:26PM +0200 References: <713482468.20040404122126@lysafree.net> Message-ID: <20040404111546.C872@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:21:26PM +0200, Jakub Nedoma wrote: > Ahoj, > > cht?l bych se zeptat, jak? m?te zku?enosti s p?soben?m mlhy na spoje > mal? vzd?lenosti. Kdybych m?l spoj ?ekn?me 300 metr? s 130mm ?o?kama, > fungovalo by to i v mlze bez nutn? wifi z?lohy? Typicky to vypadne o neco pozdejc nez prestane bejt ten barak na druhy strane videt. Cl< From jakub at lysafree.net Sun Apr 4 13:24:05 2004 From: jakub at lysafree.net (Jakub Nedoma) Date: Sun Apr 4 13:21:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] mechanika - cocky Message-ID: <19320841125.20040404142405@lysafree.net> Ahoj, chtěl bys se zeptat na jednu triviální věc, dioda (ať už příjímače nebo vysílače musí být přímo v ose tubuláru - v ose té čočky a při 130 mm čočce vzdálená 295 mm od čočky. Pochopil jsem to správně? Předem díky. s pozdravem, Jakub Nedoma mailto:jakub@lysafree.net From polous at katka.biz Sun Apr 4 13:29:54 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sun Apr 4 13:29:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cocky - kde sehnat [duben 2004] ? References: <19320841125.20040404142405@lysafree.net> Message-ID: <000d01c41a40$8f8b32b0$5105150a@ASDFASDF> Zdravim, shanim cocky 130mm pro shipa, ale u tech vjetnamciku v trznici sem je nenasel (meli tam max 100mm), nevite kde by se daly poridit ? p0l0us From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 4 14:03:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 4 14:03:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] mechanika - cocky In-Reply-To: <19320841125.20040404142405@lysafree.net>; from jakub@lysafree.net on Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 02:24:05PM +0200 References: <19320841125.20040404142405@lysafree.net> Message-ID: <20040404130334.A1085@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 02:24:05PM +0200, Jakub Nedoma wrote: > Ahoj, > > cht?l bys se zeptat na jednu trivi?ln? v?c, dioda (a? u? p??j?ma?e > nebo vys?la?e mus? b?t p??mo v ose tubul?ru - v ose t? ?o?ky a p?i > 130 mm ?o?ce vzd?len? 295 mm od ?o?ky. Pochopil jsem to spr?vn?? Jojo. Ono kdyz se to slozi tak to ani jinam dat nejde. Nebo jde? Cl< From danriech at gmx.de Sun Apr 4 14:37:43 2004 From: danriech at gmx.de (Daniel Riechers) Date: Sun Apr 4 14:37:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RX andTX in one pipe? Message-ID: <20435.1081085863@www11.gmx.net> Hello! Thanks to all developers for the interesting design. Perhaps this question is naive and also already has been discussed, but has anyone ever tried to put receiver and transmitter in one pipe? The pipe would have to be devided into two compartments and the LEDs would have to be mounted as near to the casing-bottom as possible. RX- and TX- casing-bottoms would be connected to each other. A stripe of metal would be soldered with 90? angle on the thermal-shielding, deviding the pipe in two compartments, so that rx can't see tx each other. RX would gain less light, decreasing the maximum distance, but you could save some material and work. Greetings from germany Daniel -- +++ NEU bei GMX und erstmalig in Deutschland: T?V-gepr?fter Virenschutz +++ 100% Virenerkennung nach Wildlist. Infos: http://www.gmx.net/virenschutz From boza2 at volny.cz Sat Apr 3 19:51:21 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Apr 4 16:04:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Uchyceni TX RX atd In-Reply-To: <004301c41677$f7936d90$0581000a@steebe> References: <000b01c415b4$591d3740$0581000a@steebe> <20040330024849.A754@beton.cybernet.src> <004301c41677$f7936d90$0581000a@steebe> Message-ID: <15310920028.20040403205121@volny.cz> Prijde mi to zbytecne slozite, velke, materialove a vyrobne narocne. Z vlastni zkusenosti vim, ze optimalizace prichazi az po nainstalovanem spoji. OndraT S> Tak sem zase tu :) S> tak mi rekni co si o tom myslis S> http://www.webpark.cz/cepecky/drzak.jpg S> http://www.webpark.cz/cepecky/tubus.jpg S> ja bych rekl ze to snad pujde . S> hlavne ten tubus .. drzak ma co nejmene mech. casti S> pokud chces upravim ty obrazky aby byly bez textu a postnu ti je kam chces S> :) S> Fotky dodam az to bude . a taky to torochu rozmerim atd .. S> Co na to rikate ? S> ----- Original Message ----- S> From: "Karel Kulhav?" S> To: "Steebe" S> Cc: "Twibright Ronja" S> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:48 AM S> Subject: Re: Uchyceni TX RX atd >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 07:36:19PM +0200, Steebe wrote: >> > Ahoj Clocku >> > >> > po trapeni uchycen? TX nebo RX krabky do hlavice mne napadl celkem S> dobrej >> > napad - delat d?ry do strany hlavice je naprd - je to mene odolne a S> casem tam >> > muze tect . >> >> > >> > Jednoduchym spusobem s kouskem plechu to dam dovnitr a lehce to S> vystredim >> > doprostred . Bude to tam celkem i drzet a cely TX nebo RX bude vypadat S> jako >> > ty vesmirne lode v StarTreku nebo hvezdnych valkach :))) >> >> > >> > Pokud mas zajem se na to mrknout tak ti klidne poslu nakres a pozdeji S> fotku >> > az to spotvorime . >> >> Hm, posli, podivam se :) >> >> > >> > taky sme celkem prekopali drzak na minimum coucastek s maximalnim S> natacenim >> > bohuzel je pri tom potreba svarecka ktera uchyti "Ucko" k hlavici coz >> > nepovazuju za tak dostupne pro kazdeho :-( ikdyz by to slo i bez nej - S> mno >> > pokud chces nejaky ty nakresy tak klidne rekni a ja ti to postnu sem S> nebo tam >> > kam budes chtit ... >> >> Taky postni :) >> >> > >> > PS: Infrak SFH2030F u TX bude oficialne v ronje nebo to je jen aktivita S> od >> > -=RYS=- , zase to neni moc dobry protoze kazdej nema videokameru ani S> fotak >> > kterym by to vyladil a je to rozhodne tezsi vyladit kdyz to nevidim ... S> ale >> > na druhou stranu zas to neuvidi spousty starejch bab a muze to potom jit S> na >> > nejake stare obekty jako treba u nas v Koline na Gympl a pamatkari snad >> > nebudou vyvadet ... >> >> No vzhledem k tomu kolik lidi po tom touzi tak bych to videl asi tak, az S> nebude >> co kritickyho na praci, tak to zpracovat a udelat alternativu s infrakem. >> >> Cl< >> >> S> _______________________________________________ S> Ronja mailing list S> Ronja@lists.pointless.net S> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Apr 4 17:26:15 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Apr 4 17:25:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c509b full duplex aui in linux Message-ID: <200404041826.15944.klapek@kki.net.pl> Hi, I've been trying to force my 3c509b to full duplex following step-by-step http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/testing.php yet I failed. Current ethtool (1.6) on my 2.4.18 box complains about operation being not permitted, loading the 3c509 driver with full_duplex option doesn't do anything. It seems to me that at some point in time the 3c509 driver dropped support for the forced full-duplex aui as I seem to recall that that on my old 2.2.x box it worked. Furthermore the doc: http://www.iglu.org.il/lxr/source/Documentation/networking/3c509.txt claims that: 71 (b) You must be using your card's 10baseT transceiver (i.e., the RJ-45 72 connector), not its AUI (thick-net) or 10base2 (thin-net/coax) interfaces. 73 AUI and 10base2 network cabling is physically incapable of full-duplex 74 operation. Playing around with the DOS config utility I reached a state when 3c5x9setup (under Linux) claimed that the "force full duplex" option is set, but the media type had to be TP so having a loopback plug in aui port I couldn't see duplicated icmp echo reqs. I'm not going into discussion if aui is according to the standard capable of working in full duplex or not, I'm just signaling a problem. Maybe the testing chapter of the guide has to be rewritten taking into concideration newer drivers/tools versions. BTW: the loopback test works in 3c5x9cfg (dos utility) if the media is set to AUI, full duplex disabled (the tool disallows FD together with AUI). Regards, Tomek Koprowski From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Sun Apr 4 17:55:32 2004 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Sun Apr 4 17:54:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c509b full duplex aui in linux In-Reply-To: <200404041826.15944.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <200404041826.15944.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <40703E04.1010407@tiscali.cz> Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > Hi, > I've been trying to force my 3c509b to full duplex following > step-by-step http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/testing.php > yet I failed. Current ethtool (1.6) on my 2.4.18 box complains > about operation being not permitted, loading the 3c509 driver > with full_duplex option doesn't do anything. It seems to me > that at some point in time the 3c509 driver dropped support > for the forced full-duplex aui as I seem to recall that that on > my old 2.2.x box it worked. After looking into the kernel sources, I see that full duplex support for 3c509.c was added in version v1.18c, whis is in 2.4.19 kernel, so you should either update your kernel, or just grab a newer 3c509.c and recompile it. Hope this helps, Martin Stachon "Druid", CZFree.NET.Ostrava From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Apr 4 20:31:22 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Apr 4 20:31:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Codename: Simplicity - status report Message-ID: <200404042131.22418.klapek@kki.net.pl> Hi, I've just done first test of Simplicity - my redesign of Ronja AUI forte. It's in ALPHA VERSION, a developers' material, NOT READY FOR END_USER USE! You have been warned. The goal of Simplicity is to implement the functionality of Ronja AUI Forte with considerably lower IC count. Currently, frame detectors (in Forte made using Diode-Resistor-Capacitor circuits between logic elements) are built with a 74HC123 and 74HC74 chips. The whole logic (in Forte: NAND, NOT, OR gates) was implemented in a GAL16V8. The Simplicity is far from ready, but I just wanted to let you know that such a thing is being developed and maybe some parts of it will make it into the main-stream Ronja. The webpage is at: http://koprowski.org/ronja/simplicity.html I wait for comments. Simplicity is not officialy a part of Ronja but a contribution, so I hope I don't get banned for posting it here. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 4 21:05:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 4 21:05:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Codename: Simplicity - status report In-Reply-To: <200404042131.22418.klapek@kki.net.pl>; from klapek@kki.net.pl on Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 09:31:22PM +0200 References: <200404042131.22418.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040404200538.A2212@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 09:31:22PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > Hi, > I've just done first test of Simplicity - my redesign > of Ronja AUI forte. It's in ALPHA VERSION, a developers' > material, NOT READY FOR END_USER USE! You have been warned. > > The goal of Simplicity is to implement the functionality > of Ronja AUI Forte with considerably lower IC count. > Currently, frame detectors (in Forte made using > Diode-Resistor-Capacitor circuits between logic elements) > are built with a 74HC123 and 74HC74 chips. The whole logic > (in Forte: NAND, NOT, OR gates) was implemented in a GAL16V8. > > The Simplicity is far from ready, but I just wanted to let > you know that such a thing is being developed and maybe some > parts of it will make it into the main-stream Ronja. > > The webpage is at: http://koprowski.org/ronja/simplicity.html > I wait for comments. I didn't think over what's inside but the approach seems to be cool. And successful loopback test with 3 IC's - cool ;-) And the codename is not bad too. Better than 'area 51' or something like that ;-) Cl< > > Simplicity is not officialy a part of Ronja but a contribution, > so I hope I don't get banned for posting it here. > > Regards, > Tomek Koprowski > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 4 21:11:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 4 21:11:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Codename: Simplicity - status report In-Reply-To: <200404042131.22418.klapek@kki.net.pl>; from klapek@kki.net.pl on Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 09:31:22PM +0200 References: <200404042131.22418.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040404201108.B2212@beton.cybernet.src> Tomek, if the GAL gschem symbol is made by you and not part of the libraries, I suggest you to check it using gschcheck -vv according to symbol writing and checking rules published somewhere on geda.seul.org and then mail to Ales Hvezda (ahvezda (at) geda . seul . org). I've made symbols this way and Ales always added them into the libraries. Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Apr 4 16:32:19 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Apr 5 07:32:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cocky - kde sehnat [duben 2004] ? In-Reply-To: <000d01c41a40$8f8b32b0$5105150a@ASDFASDF> References: <19320841125.20040404142405@lysafree.net> <000d01c41a40$8f8b32b0$5105150a@ASDFASDF> Message-ID: <1556767995.20040404173219@volny.cz> Jsem je tam vykoupil.... Obnovovaci dobu tam maji tak tyden. V trznici na Budejovicke mi Vietnamec nabizel, ze mi je sezene. Stacilo kdybych mu rekl, ze je chci. OndraT MP> Zdravim, MP> shanim cocky 130mm pro shipa, ale u tech vjetnamciku v trznici sem je MP> nenasel (meli tam max 100mm), nevite kde by se daly poridit ? MP> p0l0us MP> _______________________________________________ MP> Ronja mailing list MP> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MP> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Apr 4 16:31:02 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Apr 5 07:32:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] mechanika - cocky In-Reply-To: <20040404130334.A1085@beton.cybernet.src> References: <19320841125.20040404142405@lysafree.net> <20040404130334.A1085@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1926690127.20040404173102@volny.cz> V originalni konstrukci mi prijde mozne nebezpeci, ze se vlivem sroubu nenastavi Rx dioda na osu trubky. U sebe jsem to resil stredenim pomoci termalniho stitu. Ale pak me Marble poucil, ze i kdyby se to povedlo dat mimo osu, tak to nevadi, protoze se to dosteluje mirenim celeho tubusu. Staci kdyz to je v ohniskove rovine. OndraT KK> On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 02:24:05PM +0200, Jakub Nedoma wrote: >> Ahoj, >> >> cht?l bys se zeptat na jednu trivi?ln? v?c, dioda (a? u? p??j?ma?e >> nebo vys?la?e mus? b?t p??mo v ose tubul?ru - v ose t? ?o?ky a p?i >> 130 mm ?o?ce vzd?len? 295 mm od ?o?ky. Pochopil jsem to spr?vn?? KK> Jojo. Ono kdyz se to slozi tak to ani jinam dat nejde. Nebo jde? KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From schum at seznam.cz Mon Apr 5 07:37:57 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Mon Apr 5 07:38:09 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20POE=20Was=3A=20Twister?= In-Reply-To: <406F2B2B.70105@host.sk> Message-ID: <743246.2737489-30720-1038713169-1081147077@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Marcel Hecko" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] POE Was: Twister Datum (Date): 3. 4. 2004 23:22 ================================================== > Mas prosim ta nejake navody ako spravit prevodnik z tych povedzme 48V na > 5V, resp 12V ktore by napajali ronju? > Ja nie som elektrotechnik ani nic podobne, teda sa v tom velmi nevyznam, > ale ak uvidim schemu tak mi to dojde. > > Celkom by sa mi to zislo a usetril by som si tak par $$ :) > > dakujeem Cau zkus se podivat na tenhle IO, pouzivam ho uz cca 5 roku v ruznych zdrojich a zatim jsem nezazil ze by se mi odpraskl a pustil na vystup vstupni napeti. http://www.st.com/stonline/bin/sftab.exe?type=&table=355&filter-XJE010_def=L4960 mirek ____________________________________________________________ L?tejte si po Evrop? od 1590 K?! http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=72890%26url=http://www.smartwings.net From riso at dorm.utc.sk Mon Apr 5 11:05:54 2004 From: riso at dorm.utc.sk (Richard TOTH) Date: Mon Apr 5 11:05:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net> <003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak> <002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk> Zdravim Karel, >> > Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit akorat v >> > nouzi. >> Nevim jak moc se to projevi, ale zbyle pary (hnedy a modry) jsou jinak >> krouceny maji jinou charakteristickou impedanci. z katalogu RS Components (zial taliansky): CAT 5 - Norma EIA/TIA 568A Hodnoty pre 100 MHz: Impedancia [ohm]: - Par Modry: 99.6 - Par Oranz: 104.9 - Par Zelen: 106 - Par Hnedy: 108 Straty na odrazoch [dB]: (Perdite strutturali per riflessione) - Par Modry: 35.09 - Par Oranz: 48.68 - Par Zelen: 31.82 - Par Hnedy: 35.06 Utlm [dB/100m]: - Par Modry: 20.05 - Par Oranz: 20.47 - Par Zelen: 19.64 - Par Hnedy: 20.05 Takze vidno, ze to je rozne.... -- S pozdravom, Risko mailto:riso@dorm.utc.sk ICQ: 223531718 http://www.zuzo.org From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Apr 5 12:07:58 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Apr 5 12:08:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> <107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk> Message-ID: <001a01c41afe$40a9c620$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Ano, je to ruzn?, protoze nikdy nevyrob?s vsechno stejn?. Jsou to jen nameren? hodnoty, kter? spadaj? do pozadavku na kategorii 5. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard TOTH" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:05 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] Twister > Zdravim Karel, > > >> > Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit akorat v > >> > nouzi. > >> Nevim jak moc se to projevi, ale zbyle pary (hnedy a modry) jsou jinak > >> krouceny maji jinou charakteristickou impedanci. > > z katalogu RS Components (zial taliansky): > > CAT 5 - Norma EIA/TIA 568A > > Hodnoty pre 100 MHz: > Impedancia [ohm]: > - Par Modry: 99.6 > - Par Oranz: 104.9 > - Par Zelen: 106 > - Par Hnedy: 108 > > Straty na odrazoch [dB]: (Perdite strutturali per riflessione) > - Par Modry: 35.09 > - Par Oranz: 48.68 > - Par Zelen: 31.82 > - Par Hnedy: 35.06 > > Utlm [dB/100m]: > - Par Modry: 20.05 > - Par Oranz: 20.47 > - Par Zelen: 19.64 > - Par Hnedy: 20.05 > > Takze vidno, ze to je rozne.... > > -- > S pozdravom, > Risko > > mailto:riso@dorm.utc.sk > ICQ: 223531718 > http://www.zuzo.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Apr 5 12:10:15 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Apr 5 12:10:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> <107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk> Message-ID: <000701c41afe$92ddc7c0$0103450a@thechosen> ted jde o to jesti to je schvalne a nebo jim to lip nejde udelat :), napr ty odrazy jsou na data zrovna ty nejvice odlisne. ostatni parametry jsou skoro stejne. chmm a pak tohkle je pro 100Mhz, na nizsich frekvencich co jsou v 10baseT ty rozdili u zbudou mensi, a ani u 100baseT to nejede na 100MHz ne? ale 30 mam dojem. > Zdravim Karel, > > >> > Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit akorat v > >> > nouzi. > >> Nevim jak moc se to projevi, ale zbyle pary (hnedy a modry) jsou jinak > >> krouceny maji jinou charakteristickou impedanci. > > z katalogu RS Components (zial taliansky): > > CAT 5 - Norma EIA/TIA 568A > > Hodnoty pre 100 MHz: > Impedancia [ohm]: > - Par Modry: 99.6 > - Par Oranz: 104.9 > - Par Zelen: 106 > - Par Hnedy: 108 > > Straty na odrazoch [dB]: (Perdite strutturali per riflessione) > - Par Modry: 35.09 > - Par Oranz: 48.68 > - Par Zelen: 31.82 > - Par Hnedy: 35.06 > > Utlm [dB/100m]: > - Par Modry: 20.05 > - Par Oranz: 20.47 > - Par Zelen: 19.64 > - Par Hnedy: 20.05 > > Takze vidno, ze to je rozne.... > > -- > S pozdravom, > Risko > > mailto:riso@dorm.utc.sk > ICQ: 223531718 > http://www.zuzo.org From riso at dorm.utc.sk Mon Apr 5 13:05:00 2004 From: riso at dorm.utc.sk (Richard TOTH) Date: Mon Apr 5 13:05:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <000701c41afe$92ddc7c0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> <107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk> <000701c41afe$92ddc7c0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <35338809828.20040405140500@dorm.utc.sk> Zdravim Michal, Monday, April 5, 2004, 1:10:15 PM, si pisal: --------------------------------- MM> ted jde o to jesti to je schvalne a nebo jim to lip nejde udelat :), napr ty MM> odrazy jsou na data zrovna ty nejvice odlisne. ostatni parametry jsou skoro MM> stejne. chmm a pak tohkle je pro 100Mhz, na nizsich frekvencich co jsou v MM> 10baseT ty rozdili u zbudou mensi, tak nejak. je to tam mensie MM> a ani u 100baseT to nejede na 100MHz ne? nie, ide to na 125 MHz, nakolko je tam kodovanie 4/5, teda 4 bity datove da koduju na fyzickej vrstve do 5 a teda je to 4/5*100mbps = 125MHz... MM> ale 30 mam dojem. blbost --------------------------------- -- S pozdravom, Risko mailto:riso@dorm.utc.sk ICQ: 223531718 http://www.zuzo.org http://risototh.host.sk From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Apr 5 14:06:15 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Apr 5 14:06:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Codename: Simplicity - status report In-Reply-To: <200404042131.22418.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <200404042131.22418.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <200404051506.16395.ladmanj@volny.cz> Is not possible to integrate function of 7474 into the GAL? 74123 is out, of course, but 7474? GAL is too slow? Or too small? Jakub On Sunday 04 of April 2004 21:31, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > Hi, > I've just done first test of Simplicity - my redesign > of Ronja AUI forte. It's in ALPHA VERSION, a developers' > material, NOT READY FOR END_USER USE! You have been warned. > > The goal of Simplicity is to implement the functionality > of Ronja AUI Forte with considerably lower IC count. > Currently, frame detectors (in Forte made using > Diode-Resistor-Capacitor circuits between logic elements) > are built with a 74HC123 and 74HC74 chips. The whole logic > (in Forte: NAND, NOT, OR gates) was implemented in a GAL16V8. > > The Simplicity is far from ready, but I just wanted to let > you know that such a thing is being developed and maybe some > parts of it will make it into the main-stream Ronja. > > The webpage is at: http://koprowski.org/ronja/simplicity.html > I wait for comments. > > Simplicity is not officialy a part of Ronja but a contribution, > so I hope I don't get banned for posting it here. > > Regards, > Tomek Koprowski > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Apr 5 15:54:05 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Apr 5 16:01:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu? Message-ID: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost> Clocku, nema byt v aktualnim schematu RXu paralelne k C126 jeste jeden kondenzator 220n? From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Apr 5 16:03:56 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Apr 5 16:04:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src><107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk><000701c41afe$92ddc7c0$0103450a@thechosen> <35338809828.20040405140500@dorm.utc.sk> Message-ID: <000501c41b1f$380cde00$0103450a@thechosen> nj hledal sem a nasel sem to (125), tak ted jen k cemu patri tech 30 :)) nejak mi to utkvelo v hlave. ze by 100base-T4 ? ale tam je 25Mhz, tak nevim > MM> ted jde o to jesti to je schvalne a nebo jim to lip nejde udelat :), napr ty > MM> odrazy jsou na data zrovna ty nejvice odlisne. ostatni parametry jsou skoro > MM> stejne. chmm a pak tohkle je pro 100Mhz, na nizsich frekvencich co jsou v > MM> 10baseT ty rozdili u zbudou mensi, > tak nejak. je to tam mensie > MM> a ani u 100baseT to nejede na 100MHz ne? > nie, ide to na 125 MHz, nakolko je tam kodovanie 4/5, teda 4 bity > datove da koduju na fyzickej vrstve do 5 a teda je to 4/5*100mbps = > 125MHz... > MM> ale 30 mam dojem. > blbost > > --------------------------------- > > > -- > S pozdravom, > Risko From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Mon Apr 5 16:09:15 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Mon Apr 5 16:08:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <000701c41afe$92ddc7c0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> <107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk> <000701c41afe$92ddc7c0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <4071769B.4090902@sattnet.cz> Dobry den vsem, mam vazny problem. Pri pripojeni modulu k iface (TP,0.3) mi nezhasnina uplne RX, pohasne jen castecne. Kdyz jsem moduly pripojil k jinemu iface, ledka zhasla ihned a vse pak fungovalo normalne. Cele jsem to xkrat prohledaval, zadny zkrat jsem ale nenasel... I'm going crazy!!!!! :-D Nemuze byt error napriklad v tom 74HC14?? Resp. muze to zpusobovat nejaky IC?? Tranzistory mam BCY59, ale i s 2N3904 mi to dela stale. Uz jsem vsechny soucastky preletoval na jiny PCB, ale porad stejne :-( . Ty keramicke kondiky jsem meril vsechny, zadny zkrat. Co mam merit, hledat? Regards, David Sedlacek From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Apr 5 16:31:25 2004 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Apr 5 16:31:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja TWiki Message-ID: <20040405153125.GA26851@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Hello I have set up an "information space for Ronja" to which anyone can contribute. It's in a form of TWiki. I think people have said they would like to share comments on their running links, photos, etc. I think this is the best solution for this. http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/TwibNet?topic=TwibrightRonja The registration should work. However if you have any problems with it, tell me. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Apr 5 16:34:30 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Apr 5 16:34:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> <107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk> <000701c41afe$92ddc7c0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <003901c41b23$7d080760$0101a8c0@cz> 100Mbps 3 stavova modulace....63MHz. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malusek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Ronja] Twister > ted jde o to jesti to je schvalne a nebo jim to lip nejde udelat :), napr ty > odrazy jsou na data zrovna ty nejvice odlisne. ostatni parametry jsou skoro > stejne. chmm a pak tohkle je pro 100Mhz, na nizsich frekvencich co jsou v > 10baseT ty rozdili u zbudou mensi, a ani u 100baseT to nejede na 100MHz ne? > ale 30 mam dojem. > > > Zdravim Karel, > > > > >> > Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit > akorat v > > >> > nouzi. > > >> Nevim jak moc se to projevi, ale zbyle pary (hnedy a modry) jsou jinak > > >> krouceny maji jinou charakteristickou impedanci. > > > > z katalogu RS Components (zial taliansky): > > > > CAT 5 - Norma EIA/TIA 568A > > > > Hodnoty pre 100 MHz: > > Impedancia [ohm]: > > - Par Modry: 99.6 > > - Par Oranz: 104.9 > > - Par Zelen: 106 > > - Par Hnedy: 108 > > > > Straty na odrazoch [dB]: (Perdite strutturali per riflessione) > > - Par Modry: 35.09 > > - Par Oranz: 48.68 > > - Par Zelen: 31.82 > > - Par Hnedy: 35.06 > > > > Utlm [dB/100m]: > > - Par Modry: 20.05 > > - Par Oranz: 20.47 > > - Par Zelen: 19.64 > > - Par Hnedy: 20.05 > > > > Takze vidno, ze to je rozne.... > > > > -- > > S pozdravom, > > Risko > > > > mailto:riso@dorm.utc.sk > > ICQ: 223531718 > > http://www.zuzo.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Apr 5 16:39:08 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Apr 5 16:39:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> <107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk> <001a01c41afe$40a9c620$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <004c01c41b24$22e19c00$0101a8c0@cz> Lehkej OT: Kdyz uz jsme u tech soucastek co pokazde se hovaj jinak. Jsem otestoval Atmela co funguje jako presny oscilator 1MHz a 250Hz u Highlander TP interfacu a je to mnohem lepsi. Jsem testnul 2x 74xxx jako oscik, pokazde jinak. Vono i kdyz se tam strci sutroscik, tak je to na pikacu. Normalne naprogramovat Atmela 89c2051 jako oscik na dva piny....250 HZ a 1MHz a ty fousy zapojit na spravna mista. Ten typek co to pokoumal (TP) s Xilinxem..na to sel v podstate podobne. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Ronja] Twister > Ano, je to ruzn?, protoze nikdy nevyrob?s vsechno stejn?. > Jsou to jen nameren? hodnoty, kter? spadaj? do pozadavku na kategorii 5. > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard TOTH" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:05 PM > Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] Twister > > > > Zdravim Karel, > > > > >> > Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit > akorat v > > >> > nouzi. > > >> Nevim jak moc se to projevi, ale zbyle pary (hnedy a modry) jsou jinak > > >> krouceny maji jinou charakteristickou impedanci. > > > > z katalogu RS Components (zial taliansky): > > > > CAT 5 - Norma EIA/TIA 568A > > > > Hodnoty pre 100 MHz: > > Impedancia [ohm]: > > - Par Modry: 99.6 > > - Par Oranz: 104.9 > > - Par Zelen: 106 > > - Par Hnedy: 108 > > > > Straty na odrazoch [dB]: (Perdite strutturali per riflessione) > > - Par Modry: 35.09 > > - Par Oranz: 48.68 > > - Par Zelen: 31.82 > > - Par Hnedy: 35.06 > > > > Utlm [dB/100m]: > > - Par Modry: 20.05 > > - Par Oranz: 20.47 > > - Par Zelen: 19.64 > > - Par Hnedy: 20.05 > > > > Takze vidno, ze to je rozne.... > > > > -- > > S pozdravom, > > Risko > > > > mailto:riso@dorm.utc.sk > > ICQ: 223531718 > > http://www.zuzo.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From kneza at poupe.net Mon Apr 5 16:46:12 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Mon Apr 5 16:46:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja TWiki In-Reply-To: <20040405153125.GA26851@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040405153125.GA26851@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <40717F44.1030608@poupe.net> The e-mail could not be delivered. Please notify your TWiki administrator, clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz ERROR: Can't send mail using Net::SMTP (can't connect to ' ') pri registraci.. a mit jako wikiname JmenoPrijmeni je hnus ;-) ja chci nick ;-) Kneza Karel Kulhavy wrote: > Hello > > I have set up an "information space for Ronja" to which anyone can > contribute. It's in a form of TWiki. > > I think people have said they would like to share comments on their > running links, photos, etc. I think this is the best solution for this. > > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/TwibNet?topic=TwibrightRonja > > The registration should work. However if you have any problems with it, > tell me. > > Cl< > From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Apr 5 17:08:36 2004 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Apr 5 17:08:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja TWiki In-Reply-To: <40717F44.1030608@poupe.net> References: <20040405153125.GA26851@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <40717F44.1030608@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040405160836.GA10964@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > The e-mail could not be delivered. Please notify your TWiki > administrator, clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz > > ERROR: Can't send mail using Net::SMTP (can't connect to ' > ') Hm, zdalo se, ze se tenhle error uz opravil. Takze jeste ne ;-) > > pri registraci.. a mit jako wikiname JmenoPrijmeni je hnus ;-) ja chci > nick ;-) Prihlasovani by ti ale melo chodit. Chodi ti prihlasovani? Cl< > > Kneza > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >Hello > > > >I have set up an "information space for Ronja" to which anyone can > >contribute. It's in a form of TWiki. > > > >I think people have said they would like to share comments on their > >running links, photos, etc. I think this is the best solution for this. > > > >http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/TwibNet?topic=TwibrightRonja > > > >The registration should work. However if you have any problems with it, > >tell me. > > > >Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Mon Apr 5 17:10:25 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Mon Apr 5 17:10:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja TWiki In-Reply-To: <20040405160836.GA10964@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> References: <20040405153125.GA26851@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <40717F44.1030608@poupe.net> <20040405160836.GA10964@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <407184F1.3070007@poupe.net> Karel Kulhavy wrote: >>The e-mail could not be delivered. Please notify your TWiki >>administrator, clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz >> >>ERROR: Can't send mail using Net::SMTP (can't connect to ' >>') > > > Hm, zdalo se, ze se tenhle error uz opravil. Takze jeste ne ;-) > ;-) >>pri registraci.. a mit jako wikiname JmenoPrijmeni je hnus ;-) ja chci >>nick ;-) > > > Prihlasovani by ti ale melo chodit. Chodi ti prihlasovani? > Jo prihlasovani chodi ok, ale zatim se v tom vubec neorientuju :D Kneza From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon Apr 5 17:17:54 2004 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Apr 5 17:17:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja TWiki In-Reply-To: <407184F1.3070007@poupe.net> References: <20040405153125.GA26851@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <40717F44.1030608@poupe.net> <20040405160836.GA10964@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <407184F1.3070007@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040405161754.GA16613@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > > > >Prihlasovani by ti ale melo chodit. Chodi ti prihlasovani? > > > > Jo prihlasovani chodi ok, ale zatim se v tom vubec neorientuju :D Vypada to desive ale hned si zvyknes. Muzes zkusit editovat treba ten topic s ronjou - dole das edit, prihlasis se, pripises bla, das [preview] a [save] a je to ;-) Cl< > > Kneza > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klapek at kki.net.pl Mon Apr 5 17:59:25 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Mon Apr 5 17:59:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Codename: Simplicity - status report In-Reply-To: <200404051506.16395.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <200404042131.22418.klapek@kki.net.pl> <200404051506.16395.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200404051859.25703.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Monday 05 of April 2004 15:06, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Is not possible to integrate function of 7474 into the GAL? > 74123 is out, of course, but 7474? > GAL is too slow? Or too small? GAL16V8 has only one input that can be used as clock source... Regards, Tomek Koprowski From riso at dorm.utc.sk Mon Apr 5 18:09:00 2004 From: riso at dorm.utc.sk (Richard TOTH) Date: Mon Apr 5 18:08:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <003901c41b23$7d080760$0101a8c0@cz> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> <107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk> <000701c41afe$92ddc7c0$0103450a@thechosen> <003901c41b23$7d080760$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <737136687.20040405190900@dorm.utc.sk> Zdravim -=RYS=-, R> 100Mbps 3 stavova modulace....63MHz. Nemali sme pravdu prakticky nikto :) Je to pre 100BaseTX 31.25MHz A tu je to podlozene faktami: http://www.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa/~adiche/articles/c0402ts.pdf -- S pozdravom, Risko mailto:riso@dorm.utc.sk ICQ: 223531718 http://www.zuzo.org http://risototh.host.sk From klapek at kki.net.pl Mon Apr 5 18:10:23 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Mon Apr 5 18:10:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Codename: Simplicity - status report In-Reply-To: <20040404201108.B2212@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200404042131.22418.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20040404201108.B2212@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404051910.23585.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Sunday 04 of April 2004 22:11, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > if the GAL gschem symbol is made by you and not part of the libraries, I > suggest you to check it using gschcheck -vv according to symbol > writing and checking rules published somewhere on geda.seul.org and then > mail to Ales Hvezda (ahvezda (at) geda . seul . org). I will, as soon as I'm certain the symbol is 100% correct. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From klapek at kki.net.pl Mon Apr 5 18:19:03 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Mon Apr 5 18:18:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Codename: Simplicity - status report In-Reply-To: <200404051859.25703.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <200404042131.22418.klapek@kki.net.pl> <200404051506.16395.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200404051859.25703.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <200404051919.03229.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Monday 05 of April 2004 18:59, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Monday 05 of April 2004 15:06, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Is not possible to integrate function of 7474 into the GAL? > > 74123 is out, of course, but 7474? > > GAL is too slow? Or too small? > > GAL16V8 has only one input that can be used as clock > source... On a second thought, we could remove the 74HC74 completely (and thus have two ICs ;)) by moving its functionality into GAL, but at the cost of having the generator connected to one of "ordinary" GAL inputs. This would mean we would need a 1MHz generator (no division) and the starting point of the interpacket fill (after frame transmission) would be unspecified - like in the "classic" (non-Forte) AUI interface. Hm, interesting... Anyone knows what's the frequency stability of an off-the-shelf generator? Regards, Tomek Koprowski From polous at katka.biz Mon Apr 5 21:31:55 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Apr 5 21:32:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister [simandlova UTP v0.3] References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> <107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk><000701c41afe$92ddc7c0$0103450a@thechosen> <4071769B.4090902@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <003b01c41b4d$178488d0$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> zdar, UTP modul (jeden) muzes testovat treba tak, ze stred x3 propojis se stredem x1 [TX a RX bnc konektory]. Kdyz do toho poustis pingy, mely by pak blikat stejnym rytmem jak D7[Tx] tak D6[Rx] (stejne, jako kdyz posvitis UPT1 - Tx1 -> Rx1 - UTP1). Osbobne sem pri laborovani odpalil nekolik 74HCxx. Hlavne tech 132 co delej frekvenci - daji se odhalit multimetrem s mericem frekvence, tak, ze na IC9B[9] (TP18) ma byt frek. 1Mhz, na ICA9[5] frek 2Mhz a na IC9A[3] frek. 4Mhz. *ladis pomoci R12 Obdobne na IC4A[5] (TP7) ma byt 62.5Hz, IC4B[9] 125Hz a na IC4B[11] 250Hz. *ladis pomoci R18 muzes skusit vymenit 180pF za vetsi. nebo muzes jeste skusit zmenit c17 a c18 (100pF) za vetsi tak do 200pF. (ja mam cca 180) vice v mym dirvejsim prizpevku "[Ronja] Simandl UTP 0.3 - popis schematu,navod k ladeni ... co chybi u simandla" p0l0us ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sedl??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Twister > Dobry den vsem, > mam vazny problem. Pri pripojeni modulu k iface (TP,0.3) mi nezhasnina > uplne RX, pohasne jen castecne. Kdyz jsem moduly pripojil k jinemu > iface, ledka zhasla ihned a vse pak fungovalo normalne. Cele jsem to > xkrat prohledaval, zadny zkrat jsem ale nenasel... I'm going crazy!!!!! > :-D Nemuze byt error napriklad v tom 74HC14?? Resp. muze to zpusobovat > nejaky IC?? Tranzistory mam BCY59, ale i s 2N3904 mi to dela stale. Uz > jsem vsechny soucastky preletoval na jiny PCB, ale porad stejne :-( . > Ty keramicke kondiky jsem meril vsechny, zadny zkrat. Co mam merit, hledat? > > Regards, David Sedlacek > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Apr 5 22:15:51 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Apr 5 22:15:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> <107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk> <000701c41afe$92ddc7c0$0103450a@thechosen> <003901c41b23$7d080760$0101a8c0@cz> <737136687.20040405190900@dorm.utc.sk> Message-ID: <001a01c41b53$2ce299a0$0101a8c0@cz> No na spektraku mi vystup z ML6652 ukazoval pri 100Mbps 3 urovne: 1- 10MHz 2- 31.25MHz 3- 63MHz A ted babo rad pri 3 stavove modulaci. Jsem si rikal...pripojit k transvertoru na 24GHz a mam VF radio jak delo ..... Ostatne uz jsem testoval vystup Ronji vysmichat pres UZ07 tak, aby vystup byl 115MHz. Jeden z modulu www.db6nt.de je prave pro data s IF 115MHz a vystup byl na 10.3GHz. Nekdy mi proste rupne v hlave a sejdu se s lidma co maj taky nejake moznosti a testujem co dovedem ;) Vona Ronja dobra IF pro mikrovlny.... -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard TOTH" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: Re[4]: [Ronja] Twister > Zdravim -=RYS=-, > > > R> 100Mbps 3 stavova modulace....63MHz. > Nemali sme pravdu prakticky nikto :) > Je to pre 100BaseTX 31.25MHz > A tu je to podlozene faktami: http://www.ccse.kfupm.edu.sa/~adiche/articles/c0402ts.pdf > > -- > S pozdravom, > Risko > > mailto:riso@dorm.utc.sk > ICQ: 223531718 > http://www.zuzo.org > http://risototh.host.sk > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From polous at katka.biz Mon Apr 5 22:27:11 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Apr 5 22:26:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl UTP 0.3 - popis schematu, navod k ladeni ... co chybi u simandla References: <015501c419b9$bfae93b0$4805150a@HYPERCOMP><709266.3450427-8950-1233755674-1081026121@seznam.cz> <20040404105518.B872@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <007f01c41b54$c62542b0$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> Doslo k oprave logickych hodnot ve schematu (v okoli IC3). Oprava navodu (cas kolem 20:30) - ohledne TP20 (ta sama myslenka byla drive uvedena spravne). Opraveno na: http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/utp_popis.htm http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/utp_popis.png p0l0us From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Apr 6 06:36:34 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Apr 6 06:36:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl UTP 0.3 - popis schematu, navod k ladeni ... co chybi u simandla References: <015501c419b9$bfae93b0$4805150a@HYPERCOMP><709266.3450427-8950-1233755674-1081026121@seznam.cz><20040404105518.B872@beton.cybernet.src> <007f01c41b54$c62542b0$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> Message-ID: <000f01c41b99$20411960$0103450a@thechosen> a co C5 a C6 u tech diod na vstupu? tema si nehejbal? hlavne treba C6 co ma 100pF. me se deje ze napr ledky rx a tx blikaj do rytmu ale data netecou, ale to az kdyz sem rx a tx modulem daleko od sebe, ja jen jestli treba zmenou kapacity bych nejak nezlepsil dosah. jestli mi to tam neco nezere. > Doslo k oprave logickych hodnot ve schematu (v okoli IC3). > Oprava navodu (cas kolem 20:30) - ohledne TP20 (ta sama myslenka byla drive > uvedena spravne). > > Opraveno na: > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/utp_popis.htm > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/utp_popis.png > > p0l0us > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From polous at katka.biz Tue Apr 6 06:52:30 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Apr 6 06:52:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simandl UTP 0.3 - popis schematu, navod k ladeni ... co chybi u simandla References: <015501c419b9$bfae93b0$4805150a@HYPERCOMP><709266.3450427-8950-1233755674-1081026121@seznam.cz><20040404105518.B872@beton.cybernet.src><007f01c41b54$c62542b0$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> <000f01c41b99$20411960$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <005a01c41b9b$5996c370$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> Ahoj, Bohuzel k doladeni prijmaci casti sem se este nedopracoval, protoze v dobe kdy sem se dostal na navstevu k osciloskopu u pracujciho cloveka v nedeli navecer, nahle nastala noc a ja se v pet rano vracel domu s hrejivym pocitem, ze nam chodi RX/TX a 1/2UTP. Protoze ani ja nejsem zadnej profi-elektronik (spis badatel), byl bych rad, kdybys to skusil. Nebo jeste lip, kdyby k tomu nekdo ze skusenych neco dodal. Urcite je tu na ronja.mail.listu spousta lidi, ktera koukne a vidi. Ja se na vse musim slozite ptat znamych a zkoumat. I kdyz me to celkem bavi, rad bych to mel taky uz dostaveny. Chybi mi prave ta posledni RX cast UTP kolem IC1, IC2. Az na neco prijdu, zas to sem 100% napisu ;-). p0l0us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malusek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Simandl UTP 0.3 - popis schematu,navod k ladeni ... co chybi u simandla > a co C5 a C6 u tech diod na vstupu? tema si nehejbal? hlavne treba C6 co ma > 100pF. me se deje ze napr ledky rx a tx blikaj do rytmu ale data netecou, > ale to az kdyz sem rx a tx modulem daleko od sebe, ja jen jestli treba > zmenou kapacity bych nejak nezlepsil dosah. jestli mi to tam neco nezere. > > > > Doslo k oprave logickych hodnot ve schematu (v okoli IC3). > > Oprava navodu (cas kolem 20:30) - ohledne TP20 (ta sama myslenka byla > drive > > uvedena spravne). > > > > Opraveno na: > > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/utp_popis.htm > > http://polous.katka.biz/ronja/files/utp_popis.png > > > > p0l0us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 6 06:53:30 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 6 06:53:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu? In-Reply-To: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 04:54:05PM +0200 References: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost> Message-ID: <20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 04:54:05PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Clocku, nema byt v aktualnim schematu RXu paralelne k C126 jeste > jeden kondenzator 220n? Omlouvam se. Byla to chyba. Driv to tam bejvalo ale nejak mi to asi vypadlo pri nejaky editaci (zrejme 10.12.2003). Uz je to na webu opraveny. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 6 07:13:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 6 07:13:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] rx led and receiver problem In-Reply-To: ; from ncsu_student@hotmail.com on Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 04:00:28PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040406061339.C877@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 04:00:28PM -0500, NCSU Student wrote: > We have built the ronja receiver to specs except for the BF908 chip which we > were unable to find so we called some companies and asked about replcements > for the ones you suggested on the schematics and they suggested a > replacement chip called the NTE455 which is a replacement for the BF960. Have you got NTE455 datasheet? I am unable to find one. http://www.nteinc.com/specs/400to499/ > When we put the chip on our board we were getting 11.5 volts at P104 using > the 560 ohms for the R106 tuning. We then swapped out the R106 tunning for > R137, 1.8K and now we are getting 7.2 volts at p104. Is this voltage > acceptable? Also we are getting 3.5 volts all the time across the rssi no > matter is the lights are on or off or the tx led is shinning in it or not. > What could the problem be with this? Lastly, when we plug the receiver to > the AUI, the green LED comes on and stays on. What could be happening here > to cause that? > > Also what is the purpose of the BF908 in the circuit? To amplify the signal with as low noise as possible. Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Tue Apr 6 08:23:48 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Tue Apr 6 08:23:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu? In-Reply-To: <20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost> <20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40725B04.3030506@poupe.net> Kdyz jsem stavel nedavno jednu ronju tak jsem to stavel podle schematu co byl na webu, tj. bez toho kondiku. Jaky to ma vliv? Tj. mam ho tam pridat? Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 04:54:05PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > >>Clocku, nema byt v aktualnim schematu RXu paralelne k C126 jeste >>jeden kondenzator 220n? > > > Omlouvam se. Byla to chyba. Driv to tam bejvalo ale nejak mi to asi > vypadlo pri nejaky editaci (zrejme 10.12.2003). Uz je to na webu opraveny. > > Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Tue Apr 6 08:32:52 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Tue Apr 6 08:32:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu? In-Reply-To: <40725B04.3030506@poupe.net> References: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost> <20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src> <40725B04.3030506@poupe.net> Message-ID: <40725D24.3040007@poupe.net> jo a je rok 2004 ;-) V revizi mas Apr 6 2003 ;-) Kneza Michal Knezourek wrote: > Kdyz jsem stavel nedavno jednu ronju tak jsem to stavel podle schematu > co byl na webu, tj. bez toho kondiku. Jaky to ma vliv? Tj. mam ho tam > pridat? > > Kneza > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 04:54:05PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: >> >>> Clocku, nema byt v aktualnim schematu RXu paralelne k C126 jeste >>> jeden kondenzator 220n? >> >> >> >> Omlouvam se. Byla to chyba. Driv to tam bejvalo ale nejak mi to asi >> vypadlo pri nejaky editaci (zrejme 10.12.2003). Uz je to na webu >> opraveny. >> >> Cl< > From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 6 09:01:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 6 09:01:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu? In-Reply-To: <40725B04.3030506@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 09:23:48AM +0200 References: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost> <20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src> <40725B04.3030506@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040406080123.A1110@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 09:23:48AM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Kdyz jsem stavel nedavno jednu ronju tak jsem to stavel podle schematu > co byl na webu, tj. bez toho kondiku. Jaky to ma vliv? Tj. mam ho tam > pridat? Jestli to jeste nemas zamontovany a zaostreny tak to tam pridej, pokud uz jo, tak to nech. Asi to jen zhorsi vyzarovani ruseni z napajecich kabelu. Cl< > > Kneza > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 04:54:05PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > > >>Clocku, nema byt v aktualnim schematu RXu paralelne k C126 jeste > >>jeden kondenzator 220n? > > > > > > Omlouvam se. Byla to chyba. Driv to tam bejvalo ale nejak mi to asi > > vypadlo pri nejaky editaci (zrejme 10.12.2003). Uz je to na webu opraveny. > > > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 6 09:14:06 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 6 09:14:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu? In-Reply-To: <40725D24.3040007@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 09:32:52AM +0200 References: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost> <20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src> <40725B04.3030506@poupe.net> <40725D24.3040007@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040406081406.B1110@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 09:32:52AM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > jo a je rok 2004 ;-) V revizi mas Apr 6 2003 ;-) Diky, fixed. Cl< > > Kneza > > Michal Knezourek wrote: > > Kdyz jsem stavel nedavno jednu ronju tak jsem to stavel podle schematu > > co byl na webu, tj. bez toho kondiku. Jaky to ma vliv? Tj. mam ho tam > > pridat? > > > > Kneza > > > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 04:54:05PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > >> > >>> Clocku, nema byt v aktualnim schematu RXu paralelne k C126 jeste > >>> jeden kondenzator 220n? > >> > >> > >> > >> Omlouvam se. Byla to chyba. Driv to tam bejvalo ale nejak mi to asi > >> vypadlo pri nejaky editaci (zrejme 10.12.2003). Uz je to na webu > >> opraveny. > >> > >> Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 6 10:30:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 6 10:30:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Preklady dalsi... In-Reply-To: <003401c41bb9$b3b74a50$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf>; from polous@katka.biz on Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 11:13:53AM +0200 References: <003401c41bb9$b3b74a50$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> Message-ID: <20040406093043.A1446@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 11:13:53AM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > > Ahoj, > posilam ti dalsi casti prekladu. Bohuze moje Aj nejni tak silna jak jiz urcite vis a par veci chybi (najdes je lehce). ;-) > > btw. neposilal sem ti to uz ? mam to prelozeny uz nakej cas a celou dobu si myslim, ze uz je to poslany. Ale na strankach nic nejni. hmm tak jestli to mas podruhy, tak bud chapavej :)) Neni, jeste jsem se k tomu nedostal abych to uploadnul :( Jinak diky za preklady. Cl< > > Pekny den > p0l0us From tomekw at irc.pl Tue Apr 6 11:04:10 2004 From: tomekw at irc.pl (tomekw@irc.pl) Date: Tue Apr 6 11:04:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister Message-ID: <615961741.20040406120410@irc.pl> Hello ronja, When will be available schematic of Twister on Ronja Page? -- Best regards, tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 6 20:22:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 6 20:22:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 1 stranny PCB In-Reply-To: <000a01c41be2$c6e2d5d0$0201a8c0@technet>; from admin@bin-rise.zapto.org on Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 04:23:48PM +0200 References: <000a01c41be2$c6e2d5d0$0201a8c0@technet> Message-ID: <20040406192210.A2156@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 04:23:48PM +0200, Duri wrote: > Ahojte, dopocul som sa ze Clock planuje vydat jednostranny plosny spoj, > Je na tom nieco pravdy ? Ne. Twister je dvojstranny. Cl< From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Apr 7 07:44:50 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Hoidekr Jan) Date: Wed Apr 7 08:37:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4073A362.8080405@hoidekr.net> Functionality AUI port in full duplex mode in Windows is very bad. After many experiments I have link between linux and WinXP with cards 3c590. For computer with windows: 1. you must set NIC with 3COM DOS utility to TP - full duplex. 2. in windows driver force the NIC to use AUI port I did not tested combinations of windows version, driver version, NIC revision, ... I tested it between WinXP-Win2000, but quality of link was poor. With linux and WinXP it is much better, but not as good as linux-linux. There is something wrong in drivers for AUI ;-( If anyone know how to set Ronja link on AUI between windows, please tell us about it! Honza NCSU Student wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any luck using windows 2000 or windows > 98 with a 3c509b or 3c590 card? > > > > If anyone did get the link to work could you please send me an > instruction set on how to do it. > > > > Thanks > > Scott > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 7 10:36:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 7 10:36:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister In-Reply-To: <46705.213.77.122.1.1081304201.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl>; from andy@intercomp.info on Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 04:16:41AM +0200 References: <000a01c41be2$c6e2d5d0$0201a8c0@technet> <20040406192210.A2156@beton.cybernet.src> <46705.213.77.122.1.1081304201.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040407093652.A3215@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 04:16:41AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > When will be Twister "in production" . And what's exactly is TWISTER ??? I guess it will be prepared for releae at the end of this week. > Is this a 100Mbps laser Ronja ??? 10Mbps RJ-45 (UTP, twisted-pair,...) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 7 12:00:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 7 12:00:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister preliminary cost Message-ID: <20040407110022.A3446@beton.cybernet.src> Preliminary end cost of Twister is published with more updated details at http://ronja.twibright.com/mlist.php look for the word "Preliminary" 15,591 CZK remain to release. Cl< From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Wed Apr 7 13:21:36 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Wed Apr 7 13:50:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Rx SMD In-Reply-To: <105377941.20040325095747@volny.cz> Message-ID: <53402.82007-18002-473100318-1081340496@seznam.cz> Nemate nekdo overene Rx v SMD s dosahem alespon 4m bez optiky?? Vim, ze ma jedno Ondre.Tesar, ale zatim se o nej nechce podelit. Diky, Damir as neo10 From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 7 16:03:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 7 16:03:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 10M In-Reply-To: <20040407104812.401E033DB2@rekin5.o2.pl>; from wyzio1@tlen.pl on Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 12:48:12PM +0200 References: <20040407104812.401E033DB2@rekin5.o2.pl> Message-ID: <20040407150319.A3679@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 12:48:12PM +0200, wyzio1@tlen.pl wrote: > When wil be the Ronja Twister finihsed? I estimate it to be finished at the end of the week. Cl< > From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Apr 7 19:28:22 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Apr 7 19:41:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <004c01c41b24$22e19c00$0101a8c0@cz> References: <406C4B38.3020103@poupe.net><003501c41818$6ea056e0$4805150a@kalvak><002b01c4183f$5f1a9380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200404031214.31016.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040403121136.B1572@beton.cybernet.src> <107331663703.20040405120554@dorm.utc.sk> <001a01c41afe$40a9c620$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <004c01c41b24$22e19c00$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <811390881.20040407202822@volny.cz> R> Ten typek co to pokoumal (TP) s Xilinxem..na to sel v podstate podobne. Jen to jeho TPcko je prej fest crap. Neumi autonegatin ani full duplex. :-( To je zprostredkovana zkusenost..... Tyto veci umi az ta dalsi zcela komercni verze. OndraT R> -=RYS=- R> ----- Original Message ----- R> From: "Cipis" R> To: "Twibright Ronja" R> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:07 PM R> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Ronja] Twister >> Ano, je to ruzn?, protoze nikdy nevyrob?s vsechno stejn?. >> Jsou to jen nameren? hodnoty, kter? spadaj? do pozadavku na kategorii 5. >> >> Cipis >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard TOTH" >> To: "Twibright Ronja" >> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:05 PM >> Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] Twister >> >> >> > Zdravim Karel, >> > >> > >> > Volne pary ve 4 parovem TP jsou jako rezerva, na napajeni pouzit >> akorat v >> > >> > nouzi. >> > >> Nevim jak moc se to projevi, ale zbyle pary (hnedy a modry) jsou R> jinak >> > >> krouceny maji jinou charakteristickou impedanci. >> > >> > z katalogu RS Components (zial taliansky): >> > >> > CAT 5 - Norma EIA/TIA 568A >> > >> > Hodnoty pre 100 MHz: >> > Impedancia [ohm]: >> > - Par Modry: 99.6 >> > - Par Oranz: 104.9 >> > - Par Zelen: 106 >> > - Par Hnedy: 108 >> > >> > Straty na odrazoch [dB]: (Perdite strutturali per riflessione) >> > - Par Modry: 35.09 >> > - Par Oranz: 48.68 >> > - Par Zelen: 31.82 >> > - Par Hnedy: 35.06 >> > >> > Utlm [dB/100m]: >> > - Par Modry: 20.05 >> > - Par Oranz: 20.47 >> > - Par Zelen: 19.64 >> > - Par Hnedy: 20.05 >> > >> > Takze vidno, ze to je rozne.... >> > >> > -- >> > S pozdravom, >> > Risko >> > >> > mailto:riso@dorm.utc.sk >> > ICQ: 223531718 >> > http://www.zuzo.org >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ronja mailing list >> > Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> R> _______________________________________________ R> Ronja mailing list R> Ronja@lists.pointless.net R> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Wed Apr 7 20:01:36 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Apr 7 20:06:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 10M In-Reply-To: <20040407150319.A3679@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040407104812.401E033DB2@rekin5.o2.pl> <20040407150319.A3679@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1183385143.20040407210136@volny.cz> Which of the week ? :-) OndraT KK> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 12:48:12PM +0200, wyzio1@tlen.pl wrote: >> When wil be the Ronja Twister finihsed? KK> I estimate it to be finished at the end of the week. KK> Cl< >> KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 7 21:19:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 7 21:19:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 10M In-Reply-To: <1183385143.20040407210136@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 09:01:36PM +0200 References: <20040407104812.401E033DB2@rekin5.o2.pl> <20040407150319.A3679@beton.cybernet.src> <1183385143.20040407210136@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040407201908.B3962@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 09:01:36PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Which of the week ? :-) This week, 20040412000000 ;-) Cl< > OndraT > > KK> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 12:48:12PM +0200, wyzio1@tlen.pl wrote: > >> When wil be the Ronja Twister finihsed? > > KK> I estimate it to be finished at the end of the week. > > KK> Cl< > >> > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From maco at host.sk Thu Apr 8 00:54:53 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Wed Apr 7 23:55:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 10M In-Reply-To: <20040407201908.B3962@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040407104812.401E033DB2@rekin5.o2.pl> <20040407150319.A3679@beton.cybernet.src> <1183385143.20040407210136@volny.cz> <20040407201908.B3962@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <407494CD.7070803@host.sk> Go! Go! Go! :) m. Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 09:01:36PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > >>Which of the week ? :-) >> >> > >This week, 20040412000000 ;-) > >Cl< > > >>OndraT >> >>KK> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 12:48:12PM +0200, wyzio1@tlen.pl wrote: >> >> >>>>When wil be the Ronja Twister finihsed? >>>> >>>> >>KK> I estimate it to be finished at the end of the week. >> >>KK> Cl< >> >> >>KK> _______________________________________________ >>KK> Ronja mailing list >>KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.709 (20040407) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 8 10:42:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 8 10:42:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Another cad than qcad? Message-ID: <20040408094218.A4728@beton.cybernet.src> Hello It showed up that qcad is partly unusable because * The thicknesses of various layers get always lost over each save/load * The circle dimensions get sometimes lost over each save/load * The author (Andrew Mustun from Switzerland )has stopped the development under GPL and changed to proprietary model with licence fees. Does anyone know about a suitable free-software replacement for qcad? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 8 16:43:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 8 16:43:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Upozorneni na GNU strike In-Reply-To: <00f480e2b7c9595ed89050b208536a95@www1.mail.volny.cz>; from bobriks@volny.cz on Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 04:26:32PM +0200 References: <20040408094218.A4728@beton.cybernet.src> <00f480e2b7c9595ed89050b208536a95@www1.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040408154310.C5181@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 04:26:32PM +0200, Standa Bobrik wrote: > Ahoj, > > mozna jsi uz zaznamenal http://demo.ffii.org/ . > Jenom upozornuji, protoze vim, ze posledne > jsi na http://twibright.com/ reagoval. ;-) Diky, uz jsem to na Ronju dal :) Cl< > > Hezke svatky, mej se, > Standa > From klapek at kki.net.pl Fri Apr 9 11:38:59 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Fri Apr 9 11:38:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AUI line impedance Message-ID: <200404091238.59830.klapek@kki.net.pl> Hi, It seems like I'll have to change AUI line drivers in Simplicity as I'm overspeccing the GAL. My question is: is it really crucial to have the output impedance of the drivers matched to the receiver (ie. NIC AUI interface) input impedance if the cabling has unspecified impedance and is quite short, as it is the case in Forte? In other words: now we have output impedance of ~40R, input impedance of 39R and a (short) transmission line in between with unspecified impedance. Will it make things much worse if the output impedance will be different then ~40R? Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Fri Apr 9 16:51:57 2004 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Apr 9 16:51:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 10M Metropolis AUI removed Message-ID: <20040409155157.GB15309@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Hello 10M Metropolis AUI has been removed from the modules. I hope noone is building it anymore ;-) Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Fri Apr 9 23:43:11 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Fri Apr 9 23:43:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu 2 References: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost><20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src><40725B04.3030506@poupe.net> <40725D24.3040007@poupe.net> <20040406081406.B1110@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001401c41e84$09b21a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net> http://ronja.twibright.com/transmitter/building.php Je tam odkaz v textu n?vodu na IC1, mysl?m, ?e to m? b?t U4. Cipis From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 10 15:05:55 2004 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Sat Apr 10 15:05:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja utp twister? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040410140555.68852.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> > > Hello > > 10M Metropolis AUI has been removed from the > modules. I hope noone is > building it anymore ;-) > > Cl< > > > > I can't see ronja twister.. could be my cache? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 10 15:46:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 10 15:46:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja utp twister? In-Reply-To: <20040410140555.68852.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com>; from sorin_a99@yahoo.com on Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 07:05:55AM -0700 References: <20040410140555.68852.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040410144625.A10367@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 07:05:55AM -0700, popa-popescu sorin-gabriel wrote: > > > > > Hello > > > > 10M Metropolis AUI has been removed from the > > modules. I hope noone is > > building it anymore ;-) > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > I can't see ronja twister.. could be my cache? Twister isn't released yet - it's almost prepared for release but not released yet. Will be released according to what is said on http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Apr 10 20:56:56 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Apr 10 20:57:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja utp twister? In-Reply-To: <20040410144625.A10367@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040410140555.68852.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> <20040410144625.A10367@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404102156.56185.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Twister isn't released yet - it's almost prepared for release but not > released yet. Will be released according to what is said on > http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php Nech?pu, m??e mi to n?kdo vysv?tlit ?esky? Jakub From dj_boy at seznam.cz Sat Apr 10 21:37:55 2004 From: dj_boy at seznam.cz (DJ_BOY) Date: Sat Apr 10 21:38:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] ronja utp twister? References: <20040410140555.68852.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com><20040410144625.A10367@beton.cybernet.src> <200404102156.56185.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000901c41f3b$bc0bd4c0$2e6abfd5@r4str> Jednoduse receno: Clock to vyda az se mu zaplati vyvoj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ronja utp twister? > Twister isn't released yet - it's almost prepared for release but not > released yet. Will be released according to what is said on > http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php Nech?pu, m??e mi to n?kdo vysv?tlit ?esky? Jakub _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 10 21:52:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 10 21:52:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu 2 In-Reply-To: <001401c41e84$09b21a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 12:43:11AM +0200 References: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost><20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src><40725B04.3030506@poupe.net> <40725D24.3040007@poupe.net> <20040406081406.B1110@beton.cybernet.src> <001401c41e84$09b21a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040410205217.A11325@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 12:43:11AM +0200, Cipis wrote: > http://ronja.twibright.com/transmitter/building.php > > Je tam odkaz v textu n?vodu na IC1, mysl?m, ?e to m? b?t U4. Diky, tak jsem to prave fixnul. Cl< > > Cipis > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Apr 10 23:35:13 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Apr 10 23:36:43 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu 2 References: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost><20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src><40725B04.3030506@poupe.net><40725D24.3040007@poupe.net><20040406081406.B1110@beton.cybernet.src><001401c41e84$09b21a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040410205217.A11325@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000b01c41f4c$16dbdde0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> jujky, m?n?? mi to pod rukama, zrovna jsem odlo?il p?je?ku :-) ehm, to IC1 je tam v?ckr?t, samoz?ejm? i v ?esk?m n?vod? "C14 (as close to U4 as possible, short pins, directly to ground), C13 (close to *IC1*), C17 (as close to *IC1* as possible, short pins, directly to ground), R2" Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu 2 > On Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 12:43:11AM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > http://ronja.twibright.com/transmitter/building.php > > > > Je tam odkaz v textu n?vodu na IC1, mysl?m, ?e to m? b?t U4. > > Diky, tak jsem to prave fixnul. > > Cl< > > > > Cipis > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 11 22:02:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 11 22:02:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister prepared for release / pripraven k uvolneni Message-ID: <20040411210245.A15044@beton.cybernet.src> Ronja Twister is prepared for release. See http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php#ready Ronja Twister je pripraven k uvolneni. Viz http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php#ready Cl< From honza.havlicek at seznam.cz Mon Apr 12 03:55:44 2004 From: honza.havlicek at seznam.cz (Kero) Date: Mon Apr 12 03:58:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister ready? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407A0530.90302@seznam.cz> Design IS compleated, but it wasnt cheap, therefore schematics ect will be released, when people send enough money to cover development expenses. It's something about 30 000 CZK and at top http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php you can see who and how much he contributed. When there will be enought money, twister will actually be release, its different from be ready to release. Kero NCSU Student napsal(a): > Just wondering where I can find the schematic and parts list for twister > since it is completed? > Thanks > > Scott > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 12 07:08:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 12 07:08:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister ready? In-Reply-To: ; from ncsu_student@hotmail.com on Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 10:30:33PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20040412060802.A395@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 10:30:33PM -0400, NCSU Student wrote: > Just wondering where I can find the schematic and parts list for twister > since it is completed? It isn't released yet. It will be as soon as financial contributions reach the development cost. Cl< > > Thanks > Scott > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Mon Apr 12 07:42:47 2004 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (P. Deelman) Date: Mon Apr 12 07:43:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister ready? In-Reply-To: <20040412060802.A395@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040412060802.A395@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <407A3A67.8050104@hccnet.nl> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 10:30:33PM -0400, NCSU Student wrote: > > >>Just wondering where I can find the schematic and parts list for twister >>since it is completed? >> >> > >It isn't released yet. It will be as soon as financial contributions reach >the development cost. > >Cl< > > And since no cent is allocated into the project and they tend to be that way somehow for a long time already there is still 28,908.2 CZK to go :) btw, with contributions it will be 28,908.2 - 13579 = 15329.2 CZK I hope contributions will flow much faster then previous contributions :) or else it will take a loooooong time :) ow btw did some calcs to other currencies. this is with costs of change included 15329,2 CZK is: - 500.14 EURO - 614.36 USD - 1815340,85 colombian pesos :)) Patrick btw i DO give clock my full support in his wanting development costs back before release :) From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 12 13:57:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 12 13:57:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu 2 In-Reply-To: <000b01c41f4c$16dbdde0$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 12:35:13AM +0200 References: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost><20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src><40725B04.3030506@poupe.net><40725D24.3040007@poupe.net><20040406081406.B1110@beton.cybernet.src><001401c41e84$09b21a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040410205217.A11325@beton.cybernet.src> <000b01c41f4c$16dbdde0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040412125710.A2121@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 12:35:13AM +0200, Cipis wrote: > jujky, m?n?? mi to pod rukama, zrovna jsem odlo?il p?je?ku :-) > ehm, to IC1 je tam v?ckr?t, samoz?ejm? i v ?esk?m n?vod? > > "C14 (as close to U4 as possible, short pins, directly to ground), C13 > (close to *IC1*), C17 (as close to *IC1* as possible, short pins, directly > to ground), R2" Tak ted uz jsem to opravil doufam vsechno ;-) Cl< > > Cipis From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 12 15:19:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 12 15:19:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister In-Reply-To: <1103.195.205.177.211.1081637981.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl>; from andy@intercomp.info on Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 12:59:41AM +0200 References: <1103.195.205.177.211.1081637981.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 12:59:41AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > How expensive is material for building Twister (without your work, > projects, mistakes, making PCB etc.) ? > Cost of only electronical parts ? This detail will be published together with Twister itself. > > And I have an idea. Can you share a schema of TWISTER to only that useres > who have an access account and password ? And that password will have > only that users who will pay some money. But Some money doesn't mean > exactly! Users (future sponsors) will be pay as they think and as they > can. Anyone could simply put the files on his web. And if I prohibited such a behaviour in the licence, it wouldn't be free technology anymore. Cl< > What do you think about it? What GPL about this ? > Later....you will share Twister and other new projects to everyone. But > later...(a bit months of delay) > The point is that cost which you bore during projecting Twister must have > to turn! I think that is honest solution for you and everyone who want to > build something realy amazing and on free license. The fact is that with > sponsors you will have justification for another cool project :) > But there is question about designers who work on Ronja and bring a huge > work to improvement a Ronja. There is only one way. Sponsoring members who > will design pioneer, revolutionary and working projects (modules) of > Ronja. > > That is my opinion and yours ? > > Andrzej K. <--andy@intercomp.info--> From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Apr 12 15:46:10 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Apr 12 15:46:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister In-Reply-To: <20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1103.195.205.177.211.1081637981.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404121646.11674.ladmanj@volny.cz> Nechci ??dn?m zp?sobem hodnotit Clockovu politiku, jen by m? zaj?malo, jestli je to b??n? postup v GPL sv?t?. Je to b??n? z?le?itost? Jakub From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Apr 12 16:41:59 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Apr 12 16:42:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister References: <1103.195.205.177.211.1081637981.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src> <200404121646.11674.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <001401c420a4$b1862360$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Uvoln?n? pod GPL to (zat?m) nen?, tak je to jen a jen clockova v?c, co s t?m d?l? a kdy to zve?ejn?. Nikdo nem? pr?vo mu cokoliv ohledn? tohoto ??kat, je to prost? jeho v?c. A? to bude zve?ejn?n? pod GPL, tak se s t?m, ?e to n?kdo poru?uje, m??e n?co d?lat. A propo, n?kter? v?ci GPL odporuj? na?emu autorsk?mu z?konu, jak jsem n?kde ?etl. Tak jak je to tedy s vym?h?n?m v?c? podle GPL? J? mysl?m, ?e nijak, proto?e pokud to nebude v souladu se z?kony, tak je to na prd.... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister Nechci ??dn?m zp?sobem hodnotit Clockovu politiku, jen by m? zaj?malo, jestli je to b??n? postup v GPL sv?t?. Je to b??n? z?le?itost? Jakub _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Apr 12 16:45:14 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Apr 12 16:45:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu 2 References: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost><20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src><40725B04.3030506@poupe.net><40725D24.3040007@poupe.net><20040406081406.B1110@beton.cybernet.src><001401c41e84$09b21a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net><20040410205217.A11325@beton.cybernet.src><000b01c41f4c$16dbdde0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040412125710.A2121@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001a01c420a5$25e87320$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Jo, v anglick?m je to o.k. Je?t? ?esk? a bude to e?o?u?o .... Cipis P.S. J? stejnak podle toho nepostupoval a p?ip?jel to po sv?m :-) > Tak ted uz jsem to opravil doufam vsechno ;-) > > Cl< > > From kaufi-online at gmx.net Mon Apr 12 18:29:48 2004 From: kaufi-online at gmx.net (Stefan Kaufmann) Date: Mon Apr 12 18:30:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister ready? Message-ID: My intention: 1.) I do want to contribute to the project. There _have_ been high costs and I do want Clock to get some money back - he deserves it. 2.) I do not want my PCB be made as a prototype for immense costs. PCB production is always cheaper if you want to get say more than 20 actual PCBs of the same layout. So, in the case that Clock orders some more PCBs (for lower prices each) and sells them, I will pay him the price for two Twister Interfaces, plus a donation of say 20 EURO (about 650 Koruny). The PCBs will be shipped as soon as all contributions are in. Clock: Would this be fair for you? regards, -stk -- __________ __,_ [Stefan Kaufmann] [Altenstadt, Germany] ----- | FIRE | | |_| [http://www.kaufi-online.de] [ICQ #59960871] ---- | _ . _. |_|tre| Phantasie ist unser guter Genius oder --- `-(o)-(o)----(o)' unser Daemon - Kant From drson84 at volny.cz Mon Apr 12 18:45:33 2004 From: drson84 at volny.cz (DRSON) Date: Mon Apr 12 18:45:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister In-Reply-To: <20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1103.195.205.177.211.1081637981.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <407AD5BD.7020702@volny.cz> This policy was used (maybe is still used) by RedHat. Registred (paying) users had acces to new RedHat Linux on non-overloaded servers about week before other users and it was still under GPL. You don't have to restrict copyiing in license of the product. You can restrict it in sponsor registration until public release. This policy could speed up release time, because people dont pay only to support you, but also for earlier access to new technology. Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): >On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 12:59:41AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > > >>How expensive is material for building Twister (without your work, >>projects, mistakes, making PCB etc.) ? >>Cost of only electronical parts ? >> >> > >This detail will be published together with Twister itself. > > > >>And I have an idea. Can you share a schema of TWISTER to only that useres >>who have an access account and password ? And that password will have >>only that users who will pay some money. But Some money doesn't mean >>exactly! Users (future sponsors) will be pay as they think and as they >>can. >> >> > >Anyone could simply put the files on his web. And if I prohibited such >a behaviour in the licence, it wouldn't be free technology anymore. > >Cl< > > > >>What do you think about it? What GPL about this ? >>Later....you will share Twister and other new projects to everyone. But >>later...(a bit months of delay) >>The point is that cost which you bore during projecting Twister must have >>to turn! I think that is honest solution for you and everyone who want to >>build something realy amazing and on free license. The fact is that with >>sponsors you will have justification for another cool project :) >>But there is question about designers who work on Ronja and bring a huge >>work to improvement a Ronja. There is only one way. Sponsoring members who >>will design pioneer, revolutionary and working projects (modules) of >>Ronja. >> >>That is my opinion and yours ? >> >>Andrzej K. <--andy@intercomp.info--> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From admin at bin-rise.zapto.org Mon Apr 12 19:19:31 2004 From: admin at bin-rise.zapto.org (Duri) Date: Mon Apr 12 19:19:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister References: <1103.195.205.177.211.1081637981.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src><200404121646.11674.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001401c420a4$b1862360$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <001701c420ba$b68daac0$0201a8c0@technet> Cipis, mas pravdu, je to iba clockova vec, kedy to zverejni ..... bolo by pekne mu aspon splatit jeho vlastne financie ktore, vrazil do vyvoja ... Inac, ten twister to je pekny napad, len keby bol jednostranny. Uz dlho si chcem postavit Ronju, ale na plosnom spoji. No a rad bych nieco jednostranneho, lebo u obojstranych tie prekovenia doma na kolene asi nespravim ..... :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister > Uvoln?n? pod GPL to (zat?m) nen?, tak je to jen a jen clockova v?c, co s t?m > d?l? a kdy to zve?ejn?. > Nikdo nem? pr?vo mu cokoliv ohledn? tohoto ??kat, je to prost? jeho v?c. > A? to bude zve?ejn?n? pod GPL, tak se s t?m, ?e to n?kdo poru?uje, m??e n?co > d?lat. > A propo, n?kter? v?ci GPL odporuj? na?emu autorsk?mu z?konu, jak jsem n?kde > ?etl. > Tak jak je to tedy s vym?h?n?m v?c? podle GPL? J? mysl?m, ?e nijak, proto?e > pokud to nebude v souladu se z?kony, tak je to na prd.... > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister > > > Nechci ??dn?m zp?sobem hodnotit Clockovu politiku, jen by m? zaj?malo, > jestli > je to b??n? postup v GPL sv?t?. > Je to b??n? z?le?itost? > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.715 (20040411) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From punjab at punjabcz.net Mon Apr 12 19:42:52 2004 From: punjab at punjabcz.net (punjab) Date: Mon Apr 12 19:42:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister In-Reply-To: <001701c420ba$b68daac0$0201a8c0@technet> References: <1103.195.205.177.211.1081637981.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src><200404121646.11674.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001401c420a4$b1862360$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <001701c420ba$b68daac0$0201a8c0@technet> Message-ID: <407AE32C.6080405@punjabcz.net> Pokud si je nechas vyrobit, tak to neni obtizne zapajet. Duri wrote: >Cipis, mas pravdu, je to iba clockova vec, kedy to zverejni ..... bolo by >pekne mu aspon splatit jeho vlastne financie ktore, vrazil do vyvoja ... > >Inac, ten twister to je pekny napad, len keby bol jednostranny. >Uz dlho si chcem postavit Ronju, ale na plosnom spoji. No a rad bych nieco >jednostranneho, lebo u obojstranych tie prekovenia doma na kolene asi >nespravim >..... :-( > > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 12 19:49:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 12 19:49:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister ready? In-Reply-To: ; from kaufi-online@gmx.net on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 07:29:48PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20040412184929.A23883@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 07:29:48PM +0200, Stefan Kaufmann wrote: > My intention: > > 1.) I do want to contribute to the project. There _have_ been high costs > and I do want Clock to get some money back - he deserves it. > 2.) I do not want my PCB be made as a prototype for immense costs. PCB > production is always cheaper if you want to get say more than 20 actual > PCBs of the same layout. > > So, in the case that Clock orders some more PCBs (for lower prices each) > and sells them, I will pay him the price for two Twister Interfaces, plus a > donation of say 20 EURO (about 650 Koruny). Selling Twister would mean releasing it. Cl< > The PCBs will be shipped as soon as all contributions are in. > > Clock: Would this be fair for you? > > regards, > -stk From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Apr 12 19:55:59 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Apr 12 19:56:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister References: <1103.195.205.177.211.1081637981.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src><200404121646.11674.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001401c420a4$b1862360$5046a8c0@cipis.net><001701c420ba$b68daac0$0201a8c0@technet> <407AE32C.6080405@punjabcz.net> Message-ID: <000701c420bf$cbe5bd90$0103450a@thechosen> zapajet takovou desku co je v ukazce je to nejjednodusi, ovsem na kolik prijde, ze. treba u printed za takovou desku das treba litr protoze jich nevemes sto. ale jestli ti nekdo takovouhle desku udela levne sem nezkoumal, nevite to nekdo? jinak doufam ze nase sdruzeni MaSON take pusti chlup at se to urychli. musi to projit hlasovanim tak snad lidi uznaj ze to je otazka zivota a smrti :/ :) http://mason.logic.net > Pokud si je nechas vyrobit, tak to neni obtizne zapajet. > > Duri wrote: > > >Cipis, mas pravdu, je to iba clockova vec, kedy to zverejni ..... bolo by > >pekne mu aspon splatit jeho vlastne financie ktore, vrazil do vyvoja ... > > > >Inac, ten twister to je pekny napad, len keby bol jednostranny. > >Uz dlho si chcem postavit Ronju, ale na plosnom spoji. No a rad bych nieco > >jednostranneho, lebo u obojstranych tie prekovenia doma na kolene asi > >nespravim > >..... :-( > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 12 20:08:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Mon Apr 12 20:08:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Chyba ve schematu 2 In-Reply-To: <001a01c420a5$25e87320$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 05:45:14PM +0200 References: <40718F2D.12765.7AA2E@localhost><20040406055330.A742@beton.cybernet.src><40725B04.3030506@poupe.net><40725D24.3040007@poupe.net><20040406081406.B1110@beton.cybernet.src><001401c41e84$09b21a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net><20040410205217.A11325@beton.cybernet.src><000b01c41f4c$16dbdde0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040412125710.A2121@beton.cybernet.src> <001a01c420a5$25e87320$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040412190848.C23883@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 05:45:14PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > Jo, v anglick?m je to o.k. > Je?t? ?esk? a bude to e?o?u?o .... hehe to je fakt uz na slapnuti kanadou do xichtu ;-) Prave jsem to opravil. Doufam ze existuji dalsi 3 dimenze navodu Ronji na ktery jsem jeste schopnej zapomenout ;-) Timto se vsem omlouvam :) Cl< > > Cipis > > P.S. J? stejnak podle toho nepostupoval a p?ip?jel to po sv?m :-) > > > Tak ted uz jsem to opravil doufam vsechno ;-) > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 12 20:16:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 12 20:16:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister In-Reply-To: <407AE32C.6080405@punjabcz.net>; from punjab@punjabcz.net on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:42:52PM +0200 References: <1103.195.205.177.211.1081637981.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src><200404121646.11674.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001401c420a4$b1862360$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <001701c420ba$b68daac0$0201a8c0@technet> <407AE32C.6080405@punjabcz.net> Message-ID: <20040412191621.A24167@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:42:52PM +0200, punjab wrote: > Pokud si je nechas vyrobit, tak to neni obtizne zapajet. Jina alternativa nez si je nechat vyrobit moc neni - doma se to da asi tezko udelat. Kdosi uz vyvinul through-plating station na prokovovani der podomacku http://www.myhome.ch/mzingg/pcbstuff/tps/ ale jeste to neni ani free technology - jeste tam nema ani planky (zatim pouze fotky) A i tahle stanice potrebuje na provoz profesionalni chemikalie. To uz je jednodussi udelat Twistera na vrabci hnizdo nez si podomacku na nej vyrabet tistaky - je to jednodussi o tu vyrobu toho tistaku ;-) Lidi jsou fakt nemilosrdny. Stale cim dal vic ukazujou ze podomacku se da udelat snad vsechno ;-) Cl< > > Duri wrote: > > >Cipis, mas pravdu, je to iba clockova vec, kedy to zverejni ..... bolo by > >pekne mu aspon splatit jeho vlastne financie ktore, vrazil do vyvoja ... > > > >Inac, ten twister to je pekny napad, len keby bol jednostranny. > >Uz dlho si chcem postavit Ronju, ale na plosnom spoji. No a rad bych nieco > >jednostranneho, lebo u obojstranych tie prekovenia doma na kolene asi > >nespravim > >..... :-( > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Apr 12 20:24:40 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Apr 12 20:24:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister References: <1103.195.205.177.211.1081637981.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src><200404121646.11674.ladmanj@volny.cz><001401c420a4$b1862360$5046a8c0@cipis.net><001701c420ba$b68daac0$0201a8c0@technet><407AE32C.6080405@punjabcz.net> <20040412191621.A24167@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000d01c420c3$cd5b22b0$0103450a@thechosen> no ale ty wolee :)) to je fakt sila, ikdyz pokud se vi jak na to a je vybaveni udelat to neco tak neni moc problem, ze :/ ale vetsinou to vybaveni je pak drazsi nez to co se jim dela, takze pokud to uz neni doma nema to moc cenu :) se se do toho nejak zmotal :) > On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:42:52PM +0200, punjab wrote: > > Pokud si je nechas vyrobit, tak to neni obtizne zapajet. > > Jina alternativa nez si je nechat vyrobit moc neni - doma se to da > asi tezko udelat. Kdosi uz vyvinul through-plating > station na prokovovani der podomacku > http://www.myhome.ch/mzingg/pcbstuff/tps/ > > ale jeste to neni ani free technology - jeste tam nema ani planky > (zatim pouze fotky) > > A i tahle stanice potrebuje na provoz profesionalni chemikalie. > > To uz je jednodussi udelat Twistera na vrabci hnizdo nez si > podomacku na nej vyrabet tistaky - je to jednodussi o tu vyrobu > toho tistaku ;-) > > Lidi jsou fakt nemilosrdny. Stale cim dal vic ukazujou ze podomacku > se da udelat snad vsechno ;-) > > Cl< > > > > Duri wrote: > > > > >Cipis, mas pravdu, je to iba clockova vec, kedy to zverejni ..... bolo by > > >pekne mu aspon splatit jeho vlastne financie ktore, vrazil do vyvoja ... > > > > > >Inac, ten twister to je pekny napad, len keby bol jednostranny. > > >Uz dlho si chcem postavit Ronju, ale na plosnom spoji. No a rad bych nieco > > >jednostranneho, lebo u obojstranych tie prekovenia doma na kolene asi > > >nespravim > > >..... :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Apr 12 20:57:38 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Apr 12 20:58:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede Message-ID: <001c01c420c8$68357b60$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Bol? mne z?da jak svi?a ... Ale u? mi n?co jede :-) V?era jsem dop?jel jedno Tx a dneska jedno Rx. M?m tam oproti n?vodu jinou LEDku, je to ?lut?(!) EL31-01UYC od EVERLIGHT, ?erven? EL31-01SURC by byla zcela jist? lep??, ale Bu?ek je nem?l :-(. Co tam m?m za fotodiodu bohu?el nev?m, proto?e jsem ztratil ??et, ale bude to n?co B cosi :-) Bez optiky mi to jede na 20-25 cm, nic jsem nenastavoval (zat?m), i kdy? se n?kter? hodnoty li?? o max. p?l Voltu, jedin?, co jsem zm?nil, tak jsem vyhodil nap?jen? po koaxu. Ehm, to "jede" znamen?, ?e na v?stupu Rx nam???m 1 MHz obd?ln?k osciloskopem. No, n?jak? fotky jsou na www.cipis.net/ronja , ale jsou to origin?ly (6 MB!), proto?e jsem m?l stra?nou radost, ?e to n?jak fach? a tak rad?i pokra?uju v krasoj?zd? ne? by se babral se zmen?ov?n?m. Na m???ku je RSSI a na osc. 1 MHz z v?stupu Rx. TP modul je model highlander. Jdu si hr?t d?l ... Cipis From admin at bin-rise.zapto.org Mon Apr 12 20:59:07 2004 From: admin at bin-rise.zapto.org (Duri) Date: Mon Apr 12 20:59:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister References: <1103.195.205.177.211.1081637981.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040412141943.C22379@beton.cybernet.src><200404121646.11674.ladmanj@volny.cz><001401c420a4$b1862360$5046a8c0@cipis.net><001701c420ba$b68daac0$0201a8c0@technet><407AE32C.6080405@punjabcz.net><20040412191621.A24167@beton.cybernet.src> <000d01c420c3$cd5b22b0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <002b01c420c8$9fd941a0$0201a8c0@technet> Pekny stroj, hehe, ale poriadit by si ho bolo uplne zbytocne..... No stylom vrabcie hniezdo som, ronju nikdy nechcel spravit. Lebo ta estetika je fakt brutalna :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Malusek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister > no ale ty wolee :)) to je fakt sila, ikdyz pokud se vi jak na to a je > vybaveni udelat to neco tak neni moc problem, ze :/ ale vetsinou to vybaveni > je pak drazsi nez to co se jim dela, takze pokud to uz neni doma nema to moc > cenu :) se se do toho nejak zmotal :) > > > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:42:52PM +0200, punjab wrote: > > > Pokud si je nechas vyrobit, tak to neni obtizne zapajet. > > > > Jina alternativa nez si je nechat vyrobit moc neni - doma se to da > > asi tezko udelat. Kdosi uz vyvinul through-plating > > station na prokovovani der podomacku > > http://www.myhome.ch/mzingg/pcbstuff/tps/ > > > > ale jeste to neni ani free technology - jeste tam nema ani planky > > (zatim pouze fotky) > > > > A i tahle stanice potrebuje na provoz profesionalni chemikalie. > > > > To uz je jednodussi udelat Twistera na vrabci hnizdo nez si > > podomacku na nej vyrabet tistaky - je to jednodussi o tu vyrobu > > toho tistaku ;-) > > > > Lidi jsou fakt nemilosrdny. Stale cim dal vic ukazujou ze podomacku > > se da udelat snad vsechno ;-) > > > > Cl< > > > > > > Duri wrote: > > > > > > >Cipis, mas pravdu, je to iba clockova vec, kedy to zverejni ..... bolo > by > > > >pekne mu aspon splatit jeho vlastne financie ktore, vrazil do vyvoja > ... > > > > > > > >Inac, ten twister to je pekny napad, len keby bol jednostranny. > > > >Uz dlho si chcem postavit Ronju, ale na plosnom spoji. No a rad bych > nieco > > > >jednostranneho, lebo u obojstranych tie prekovenia doma na kolene asi > > > >nespravim > > > >..... :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.715 (20040411) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From xmita at seznam.cz Mon Apr 12 21:12:36 2004 From: xmita at seznam.cz (mita) Date: Mon Apr 12 21:11:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <001c01c420c8$68357b60$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: Bacha na ty diody. M?l sem tam podobnou originalu ale jantarovou (ma asi polovicni v?kon) a jelo to sotva na 50cm. Po v?m?n? za oran?ovou se dosah zvedl na 165cm. Asi i ta fotodioda je v tom cevenem pasmu citlivejsi. -----Original Message----- From: ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Cipis Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:58 PM To: Twibright Ronja Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede Bol? mne z?da jak svi?a ... Ale u? mi n?co jede :-) V?era jsem dop?jel jedno Tx a dneska jedno Rx. M?m tam oproti n?vodu jinou LEDku, je to ?lut?(!) EL31-01UYC od EVERLIGHT, ?erven? EL31-01SURC by byla zcela jist? lep??, ale Bu?ek je nem?l :-(. Co tam m?m za fotodiodu bohu?el nev?m, proto?e jsem ztratil ??et, ale bude to n?co B cosi :-) Bez optiky mi to jede na 20-25 cm, nic jsem nenastavoval (zat?m), i kdy? se n?kter? hodnoty li?? o max. p?l Voltu, jedin?, co jsem zm?nil, tak jsem vyhodil nap?jen? po koaxu. Ehm, to "jede" znamen?, ?e na v?stupu Rx nam???m 1 MHz obd?ln?k osciloskopem. No, n?jak? fotky jsou na www.cipis.net/ronja , ale jsou to origin?ly (6 MB!), proto?e jsem m?l stra?nou radost, ?e to n?jak fach? a tak rad?i pokra?uju v krasoj?zd? ne? by se babral se zmen?ov?n?m. Na m???ku je RSSI a na osc. 1 MHz z v?stupu Rx. TP modul je model highlander. Jdu si hr?t d?l ... Cipis _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Apr 12 21:18:02 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Apr 12 21:18:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede References: Message-ID: <000501c420cb$41f8f0a0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Jasn?, s v?m?nou se po??t?. T?eba to u? bu?ek bude m?t, tu ?ervenou. Todle je jen provizorka, ale jsem r?d, ?e to val?, na pokusy to sta??. Cht?l bych potom zkusit i infra. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "mita" To: "'Twibright Ronja'" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: RE: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede Bacha na ty diody. M?l sem tam podobnou originalu ale jantarovou (ma asi polovicni v?kon) a jelo to sotva na 50cm. Po v?m?n? za oran?ovou se dosah zvedl na 165cm. Asi i ta fotodioda je v tom cevenem pasmu citlivejsi. From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Apr 12 21:18:19 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Apr 12 21:18:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede References: Message-ID: <000501c420cb$4c7b85b0$0103450a@thechosen> to jsi tam mel asi neco jako ja, z GM, podobne cislo ale dosah mizernej :) muzes zkusit i infra, na testy to staci. nekde tady na mailing listu je psano jaka, me to sni jede dobre, hlavne se da celkem dobre sehnat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mita" To: "'Twibright Ronja'" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: RE: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede Bacha na ty diody. M?l sem tam podobnou originalu ale jantarovou (ma asi polovicni v?kon) a jelo to sotva na 50cm. Po v?m?n? za oran?ovou se dosah zvedl na 165cm. Asi i ta fotodioda je v tom cevenem pasmu citlivejsi. -----Original Message----- From: ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Cipis Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:58 PM To: Twibright Ronja Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede Bol? mne z?da jak svi?a ... Ale u? mi n?co jede :-) V?era jsem dop?jel jedno Tx a dneska jedno Rx. M?m tam oproti n?vodu jinou LEDku, je to ?lut?(!) EL31-01UYC od EVERLIGHT, ?erven? EL31-01SURC by byla zcela jist? lep??, ale Bu?ek je nem?l :-(. Co tam m?m za fotodiodu bohu?el nev?m, proto?e jsem ztratil ??et, ale bude to n?co B cosi :-) Bez optiky mi to jede na 20-25 cm, nic jsem nenastavoval (zat?m), i kdy? se n?kter? hodnoty li?? o max. p?l Voltu, jedin?, co jsem zm?nil, tak jsem vyhodil nap?jen? po koaxu. Ehm, to "jede" znamen?, ?e na v?stupu Rx nam???m 1 MHz obd?ln?k osciloskopem. No, n?jak? fotky jsou na www.cipis.net/ronja , ale jsou to origin?ly (6 MB!), proto?e jsem m?l stra?nou radost, ?e to n?jak fach? a tak rad?i pokra?uju v krasoj?zd? ne? by se babral se zmen?ov?n?m. Na m???ku je RSSI a na osc. 1 MHz z v?stupu Rx. TP modul je model highlander. Jdu si hr?t d?l ... Cipis _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Apr 12 21:21:48 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Mon Apr 12 21:22:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] C103 v RX References: <000d01c4104f$4e39ad00$0103450a@thechosen><20040322211005.A23961@beton.cybernet.src><000a01c41053$eb0acca0$0103450a@thechosen><20040322213834.B24021@beton.cybernet.src><000d01c4109d$03fb7ea0$0103450a@thechosen><20040323072036.A24336@beton.cybernet.src><001d01c410e7$4cf1a090$0103450a@thechosen><20040323151418.B24792@beton.cybernet.src><000501c4111c$78b7e290$0103450a@thechosen><20040323220031.A25517@beton.cybernet.src> <20040324081623.A195@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000d01c420cb$c9226160$0103450a@thechosen> ja upne zapomel na tu fotku co jsem rekl ze nekam dam, takze ted a tady :) je to videt ale mizerne http://www.morgus.cz/glottis/fotos/ronja%20-%20white%20lady/electronics/PICT1239_2.jpg pripadne http://www.morgus.cz/glottis/fotos/ronja%20-%20white%20lady/electronics/ a vybrat si dle libosti > M?m to. Pr?v? jsem p?i ?vejk?n? rann?ho kol??e p?emej?lel jak ten tranzistor > funguje vevnit? a do?el jsem k n?zoru, ?e popisovan? "z?hadn?" jev mus? > z?konit? nastat kdy? se proraz? b?ze G2. > > Jdu do?rat ten kol?? ;-) > > Cl< > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:00:31PM +0000, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:19:05PM +0100, m.malusek@seznam.cz wrote: > > > sorry to me nenapdlo to tam dat > > > namerana -- ma byt > > > > > > >> P101 - 11,45 -- 11,5 > > > >> P102 - 3,5 -- 3,5 - 4 > > > >> P103 - 0 -- 0 > > > >> P104 - 6,56 - to je i to mezi D a S :) -- 6 - 7 > > > >> P105 - 5,63 -- 6 > > > >> P106 - 5,67 -- 6 > > > >> P107 - > > > >> P108 - 10,86 -- 10,9 > > > >> P109 - 5,4 -- 5,3 > > > > To vypada je v poradku. Klonim se k Seligrove teorii ze to dela ten > > oddelany tranzistor. Jeste jsem se nesetkal s tim aby se choval tak "chytre" > > jak popisuje. > > > > Zkus ho vymenit a vadnej kus peclive bez destrukce uschovej :) A letuj uzemenou > > pajkou atd. aby byla zaruka ze ten novej neodprasknes. > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > >Napis prosimte i k tomu ty hodnoty co maj bejt podle schematu nemam cas > > > >to tam hledat :( > > > > > > > >Cl< > > > >> > > > >> P101 - 11,45 > > > >> P102 - 3,5 > > > >> P103 - 0 > > > >> P104 - 6,56 - to je i to mezi D a S :) > > > >> P105 - 5,63 > > > >> P106 - 5,67 > > > >> P107 - > > > >> P108 - 10,86 > > > >> P109 - 5,4 From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Apr 13 00:07:23 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Apr 13 00:07:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] geda gentoo portage In-Reply-To: <000d01c420cb$c9226160$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000d01c4104f$4e39ad00$0103450a@thechosen> <20040324081623.A195@beton.cybernet.src> <000d01c420cb$c9226160$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200404130107.23785.ladmanj@volny.cz> Zjistil jsem ze je jiz cele geda prostredi, vcetne zavislosti instalovatelne pod gentoo metaebuildem "geda" Jen je to zatim maskovano, takze: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge geda Jen kdybych v tom neco umel ... ach jo. Jakub From hollari1 at gmx.at Tue Apr 13 10:19:05 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Tue Apr 13 10:19:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister Release References: Message-ID: <31251.1081847945@www18.gmx.net> Hi Clock ! I think, it would be a good idea for you to sell only the PCBs with a List how to place which parts. (Without schematics) This would be a good thing, because it would make the building much easier for the people, and if you buy larger ammounts, the costs includung the money for you are lower than making on my own. What do you think, what would cost 2 boards ? Regards, Sigi -- NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgeb?hr: http://www.gmx.net/info From kaufi-online at gmx.net Tue Apr 13 11:09:21 2004 From: kaufi-online at gmx.net (Stefan Kaufmann) Date: Tue Apr 13 11:10:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: twister ready? Message-ID: Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Selling Twister would mean releasing it. Yes. As soon as all contributions are in. That's the whole point :) I'd give you the money for the PCBs plus my contribution in advance. And only when you've got all your money in, you would ship the boards. Got the idea? ;) regards, -stk -- __________ __,_ [Stefan Kaufmann] [Altenstadt, Germany] ----- | FIRE | | |_| [http://www.kaufi-online.de] [ICQ #59960871] ---- | _ . _. |_|tre| Phantasie ist unser guter Genius oder --- `-(o)-(o)----(o)' unser Daemon - Kant From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 13 11:12:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 13 11:12:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister Release In-Reply-To: <31251.1081847945@www18.gmx.net>; from hollari1@gmx.at on Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 11:19:05AM +0200 References: <31251.1081847945@www18.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20040413101255.A613@beton.cybernet.src> > What do you think, what would cost 2 boards ? I won't disclose what the boards cost prior to release. Regards, Cl< > > Regards, Sigi > > -- > NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL > Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgeb?hr: http://www.gmx.net/info > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 13 14:44:42 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 13 14:44:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prelozene casti navodu Message-ID: <20040413134442.A775@beton.cybernet.src> Dal jsem seznam odkazu na prelozene casti Ronji na http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/CeskeCasti Cl< From punjab at punjabcz.net Tue Apr 13 16:15:08 2004 From: punjab at punjabcz.net (punjab) Date: Tue Apr 13 16:15:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <001c01c420c8$68357b60$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <001c01c420c8$68357b60$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <407C03FC.3040106@punjabcz.net> >TP modul je model highlander. > >Cipis > > Zkousel jsi ty TP vzajmene propojit? SV4-2 z TP1 do SV1-1 na TP2 a SV4-2 z TP2 do SV1-1 na TP1 Spojit vzajemne zem. Prenaseji pakety? Jak se chovaji LED diody? Prave to tu take zkousime a nedari se. Jen vyjmecne neco proslo. Nevime si rady. Mohl by jsi udelat tabulku s nejakymi P1 ,P2 ,P3... u kterych budou tvoje hodnoty jako uvadi Clock u svych schemat? Predem dekuji za pomoc. From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Apr 13 19:19:20 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Apr 13 19:19:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede References: <001c01c420c8$68357b60$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <407C03FC.3040106@punjabcz.net> Message-ID: <002a01c42183$d7086320$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Jedin?, co jsem zkousel, kdyz jsem to zbastlil, tak vzdycky jeden kousek, v?stup koaxu do vstupu koaxu - defakto prodluzka TP - k?bel od poc?tace jsem prestrihl a do cesty vys?l?n? od poc?tace vrazil to TP. Takhle jsem vyzkousel oba kousky a oba smery. Jeden kousek TP nejak zlobil, ale vzhledem k tomu, ze to bylo asi pred 3/4 rokem, tak uz si to presne nepamatuju. Az dobastl?m dals? Tx a Rx, tak to budu zkouset znova. Tak report az potom :-) Cipis > Zkousel jsi ty TP vzajmene propojit? > SV4-2 z TP1 do SV1-1 na TP2 > a > SV4-2 z TP2 do SV1-1 na TP1 > Spojit vzajemne zem. > > Prenaseji pakety? Jak se chovaji LED diody? > > Prave to tu take zkousime a nedari se. > Jen vyjmecne neco proslo. Nevime si rady. > > Mohl by jsi udelat tabulku s nejakymi P1 ,P2 ,P3... u kterych budou > tvoje hodnoty jako uvadi Clock u svych schemat? > > Predem dekuji za pomoc. > From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 14 07:44:42 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 07:45:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister In-Reply-To: <2154.195.205.177.211.1081908046.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl>; from andy@intercomp.info on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 04:00:46AM +0200 References: <2154.195.205.177.211.1081908046.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040414064442.C2136@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 04:00:46AM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > Can You simply plug RJ45 cable from Twister to any swich 10/100 or any hub > 10/100 , or hub 10 ???? Yes. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 14 07:56:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 08:19:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: production? In-Reply-To: <407C5C38.30005@fammed.med.uoc.gr>; from dcoun@galinos.med.uoc.gr on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 12:31:36AM +0300 References: <407C5C38.30005@fammed.med.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <20040414065607.A2193@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 12:31:36AM +0300, Dimitris Kounalakis wrote: > Hello, > > I browsed your webpage about ronja and I find it very impressive. Thanks > We have a community wireless network based on 802.11b in Heraklion > (Crete), Greece and we need something like that for 6 links that are > less than 1.5 Km. > Do you know if somebody create and sell ronja devices ? We prefer to > buy them, if they are in an acceptable price. I somehow don't see the point in dragging 15-20kg of iron across Europe and paying all those levies and taxes. I guess you have steel sections, smoke pipes and loupes also on Crete. According to my opinion it's more effective (from the ecology point, the economy one is false ;-) ) to build the device as close to the destination place as possible than buying it from some central manufacturer. I'm a little bit fed up with all those globalization tomatoes that cycle four times around the globe because sticking stickers on them is cheapest in Bangladesh, their growing in China and storage space in Argentina ;-) However I ufortunatel don't even know about anyone that is manufacturing Ronja :( As soon as the Twister is released, you'll have a file that can be mailed to virtually any PCB manufacturer (including those on Crete I suppose) and PCB's obtained in any desired quantity. Regards, Cl< > > Thank you in advance, > Dimitris From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 14 08:02:24 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 08:19:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: LED-dioda HPWT-BD00 In-Reply-To: <20040413180558Z2284165-1549+76283@mail4.centrum.cz>; from xsomik@centrum.cz on Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 08:05:57PM +0200 References: <20040413180558Z2284165-1549+76283@mail4.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040414070224.A2357@beton.cybernet.src> > Ale nastal problemy kdy mi bylo ?e?eno e dioda HPWT-BD00 nemaj? neboli e je > to n?jak? atipick? typ - kupoval sjem v GME > > Proto se te chci zeptat kde se daj? koupit - chtel by jsem jich aspon 6 ale i > 10 by mi nevadilo - chtel bych stavet hoodne Nekdo tu na mailing listu inzeroval ze jich koupil stangli tak projdi archiv od konce smerem do minulosti a nekde to tam najdes. Cl< > > > Jestli teda nejak? m? m?es mi n?jak? prodat - i t?eba 2 - i ty by sta?ili nebo mne odk?zat kde mam koupit - ELITE mi sd?lil e se pry prodavaj ve velkem mnozstv? a v tom se moc nevyznam. > > > Prosim porad. > > > D?ky moc Josef ?erm?k ( xsomik ) > > > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 14 09:20:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 09:20:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: production? In-Reply-To: <407CEB81.5000607@fammed.med.uoc.gr>; from dcoun@galinos.med.uoc.gr on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 10:42:57AM +0300 References: <407C5C38.30005@fammed.med.uoc.gr> <20040414065607.A2193@beton.cybernet.src> <407CEB81.5000607@fammed.med.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <20040414082010.A2474@beton.cybernet.src> > medical faculty and I just finished my speciality as a doctor. > The problem with ronja, is that we can solden parts, we can assemble it, > but we understand nothing about all the electronic part. > To have the electronic part ready and sure to work is the difficult > thing for us.... Ronja is meant for as broad public as possible. What I suggest you is take the plans and ask here at each place you don't know ecactly what it means. I can answer your question and at the same time add the missing information into the guide. This way you can get your work done and the guides will get more comprehensible for broader public. > We did not try to find someone that who has as primary job the > electronics, because our experience with 802.11b was a catastrophy: They > learn about 802.11b and now they sell antennas with 4-6 times the power > that it is allowed by the law and they are mainly responsible for all > that happens here now. > It will not be a problem to contribute to your costs but not all the > amount that i is missing for twister and after that, when do you believe > it will be released ? I hope soon, according to what people say they'll send not much money is left to pay. Regards, Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 14 13:23:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 13:24:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja In-Reply-To: <20040414121125.3EB8C33CCA@rekin5.o2.pl>; from wyzio1@tlen.pl on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 02:11:25PM +0200 References: <20040414121125.3EB8C33CCA@rekin5.o2.pl> Message-ID: <20040414122356.E2711@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 02:11:25PM +0200, wyzio1@tlen.pl wrote: > Will it be released at end of this month ? It will be released as soon as amount of contributions reach the cost of the development. See http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php If all people send what thay have promised, it seems it will be soon. Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Apr 14 14:19:42 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 14:19:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede References: <001c01c420c8$68357b60$5046a8c0@cipis.net><407C03FC.3040106@punjabcz.net> <002a01c42183$d7086320$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <004e01c42223$2615a910$0103450a@thechosen> pozor na tohle testovani, tim ozkousis leda ze pres to tecou data ale uz ne ze to pojede slusne i s RX a TX modulem. me to s kusem dratu jelo nadherne ael kdzy jsem pripojil rx a tx byla to bida a citlivost spatna. az kdyz jsem na tp posolichal kondiky u tech diod tak se to zlepsilo. > Jedin?, co jsem zkousel, kdyz jsem to zbastlil, tak vzdycky jeden kousek, > v?stup koaxu do vstupu koaxu - defakto prodluzka TP - k?bel od poc?tace jsem > prestrihl a do cesty vys?l?n? od poc?tace vrazil to TP. Takhle jsem > vyzkousel oba kousky a oba smery. Jeden kousek TP nejak zlobil, ale vzhledem > k tomu, ze to bylo asi pred 3/4 rokem, tak uz si to presne nepamatuju. Az > dobastl?m dals? Tx a Rx, tak to budu zkouset znova. > Tak report az potom :-) > > Cipis > > > Zkousel jsi ty TP vzajmene propojit? > > SV4-2 z TP1 do SV1-1 na TP2 > > a > > SV4-2 z TP2 do SV1-1 na TP1 > > Spojit vzajemne zem. > > > > Prenaseji pakety? Jak se chovaji LED diody? > > > > Prave to tu take zkousime a nedari se. > > Jen vyjmecne neco proslo. Nevime si rady. > > > > Mohl by jsi udelat tabulku s nejakymi P1 ,P2 ,P3... u kterych budou > > tvoje hodnoty jako uvadi Clock u svych schemat? > > > > Predem dekuji za pomoc. From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Apr 14 14:22:28 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 14:22:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: LED-dioda HPWT-BD00 References: <20040413180558Z2284165-1549+76283@mail4.centrum.cz> <20040414070224.A2357@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <005801c42223$88c88960$0103450a@thechosen> ja shanel a stangli celou tu opravdu nekdo mel, bohuzel kdyz sem se mu ozval uz to bylo vsechno pryc, lidi to snazd zertou nebo vyrabej ty ronji jak na bezicim pasu :/ ostatne sehnat i jine soucastky specificke pro ronju je nekdy umeni. jen ty tranzisotry 2n39neco nebo jake to jsou je docela problem a vetsinou mivaj az tak ctvrtou nahradu v poradi :( > > Ale nastal problemy kdy mi bylo ?e?eno e dioda HPWT-BD00 nemaj? neboli e je > > to n?jak? atipick? typ - kupoval sjem v GME > > > > > Proto se te chci zeptat kde se daj? koupit - chtel by jsem jich aspon 6 ale i > > 10 by mi nevadilo - chtel bych stavet hoodne > > Nekdo tu na mailing listu inzeroval ze jich koupil stangli tak projdi archiv > od konce smerem do minulosti a nekde to tam najdes. > > Cl< > > > > > > Jestli teda nejak? m? m?es mi n?jak? prodat - i t?eba 2 - i ty by sta?ili nebo mne odk?zat kde mam koupit - ELITE mi sd?lil e se pry prodavaj ve velkem mnozstv? a v tom se moc nevyznam. > > > > > > Prosim porad. > > > > > > D?ky moc Josef ?erm?k ( xsomik ) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From honza at hoidekr.net Wed Apr 14 15:18:04 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Hoidekr Jan) Date: Wed Apr 14 15:18:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <004e01c42223$2615a910$0103450a@thechosen> References: <001c01c420c8$68357b60$5046a8c0@cipis.net><407C03FC.3040106@punjabcz.net> <002a01c42183$d7086320$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <004e01c42223$2615a910$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <407D481C.2060208@hoidekr.net> Mam take postavene TP od Highlandera a po propojeni jede dobre, ale pres TX a RX a moduly se dostanu jen na vzdalenost 1m. AUI jede normalne na 2.5m. TX a RX jsem ladil, ale pres 1m jsem se nedostal. Muzes napsat, co presne jsi nastavoval a jak? Honza >pozor na tohle testovani, tim ozkousis leda ze pres to tecou data ale uz ne >ze to pojede slusne i s RX a TX modulem. me to s kusem dratu jelo nadherne >ael kdzy jsem pripojil rx a tx byla to bida a citlivost spatna. az kdyz jsem >na tp posolichal kondiky u tech diod tak se to zlepsilo. > > > >>Jedin?, co jsem zkousel, kdyz jsem to zbastlil, tak vzdycky jeden kousek, >>v?stup koaxu do vstupu koaxu - defakto prodluzka TP - k?bel od poc?tace >> >> >jsem > > >>prestrihl a do cesty vys?l?n? od poc?tace vrazil to TP. Takhle jsem >>vyzkousel oba kousky a oba smery. Jeden kousek TP nejak zlobil, ale >> >> >vzhledem > > >>k tomu, ze to bylo asi pred 3/4 rokem, tak uz si to presne nepamatuju. Az >>dobastl?m dals? Tx a Rx, tak to budu zkouset znova. >>Tak report az potom :-) >> >>Cipis >> >> >> >>>Zkousel jsi ty TP vzajmene propojit? >>>SV4-2 z TP1 do SV1-1 na TP2 >>>a >>>SV4-2 z TP2 do SV1-1 na TP1 >>>Spojit vzajemne zem. >>> >>>Prenaseji pakety? Jak se chovaji LED diody? >>> >>>Prave to tu take zkousime a nedari se. >>>Jen vyjmecne neco proslo. Nevime si rady. >>> >>>Mohl by jsi udelat tabulku s nejakymi P1 ,P2 ,P3... u kterych budou >>>tvoje hodnoty jako uvadi Clock u svych schemat? >>> >>>Predem dekuji za pomoc. >>> >>> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Apr 14 15:48:43 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 15:48:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede References: <001c01c420c8$68357b60$5046a8c0@cipis.net><407C03FC.3040106@punjabcz.net> <002a01c42183$d7086320$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <004e01c42223$2615a910$0103450a@thechosen> <407D481C.2060208@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <001d01c4222f$95bc7620$0103450a@thechosen> ja nemam tp od higlandra , higlanderovo sem nevidel asi ani schema ael asi se moc lisit nebude. mam tohle http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm a tam jsme hybal (zvetsit) c6, c17 a c18, treba k nim jen dat 80 nebo 100p paralelne. jestli to tam je podobne zkus to zmenit, jen tak co to udela a pak naspis jestli to pomohlo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hoidekr Jan" To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede > > Mam take postavene TP od Highlandera a po propojeni jede dobre, ale pres > TX a RX a moduly se dostanu jen na vzdalenost 1m. AUI jede normalne na > 2.5m. TX a RX jsem ladil, ale pres 1m jsem se nedostal. > Muzes napsat, co presne jsi nastavoval a jak? > > Honza > > >pozor na tohle testovani, tim ozkousis leda ze pres to tecou data ale uz ne > >ze to pojede slusne i s RX a TX modulem. me to s kusem dratu jelo nadherne > >ael kdzy jsem pripojil rx a tx byla to bida a citlivost spatna. az kdyz jsem > >na tp posolichal kondiky u tech diod tak se to zlepsilo. > > > > > > > >>Jedin?, co jsem zkousel, kdyz jsem to zbastlil, tak vzdycky jeden kousek, > >>v?stup koaxu do vstupu koaxu - defakto prodluzka TP - k?bel od poc?tace > >> > >> > >jsem > > > > > >>prestrihl a do cesty vys?l?n? od poc?tace vrazil to TP. Takhle jsem > >>vyzkousel oba kousky a oba smery. Jeden kousek TP nejak zlobil, ale > >> > >> > >vzhledem > > > > > >>k tomu, ze to bylo asi pred 3/4 rokem, tak uz si to presne nepamatuju. Az > >>dobastl?m dals? Tx a Rx, tak to budu zkouset znova. > >>Tak report az potom :-) > >> > >>Cipis > >> > >> > >> > >>>Zkousel jsi ty TP vzajmene propojit? > >>>SV4-2 z TP1 do SV1-1 na TP2 > >>>a > >>>SV4-2 z TP2 do SV1-1 na TP1 > >>>Spojit vzajemne zem. > >>> > >>>Prenaseji pakety? Jak se chovaji LED diody? > >>> > >>>Prave to tu take zkousime a nedari se. > >>>Jen vyjmecne neco proslo. Nevime si rady. > >>> > >>>Mohl by jsi udelat tabulku s nejakymi P1 ,P2 ,P3... u kterych budou > >>>tvoje hodnoty jako uvadi Clock u svych schemat? > >>> > >>>Predem dekuji za pomoc. > >>> > >>> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > From xmita at seznam.cz Wed Apr 14 17:18:10 2004 From: xmita at seznam.cz (mita) Date: Wed Apr 14 17:17:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: LED-dioda HPWT-BD00 In-Reply-To: <005801c42223$88c88960$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: Vse na TX RX i TP , krom TX led a RX diody (ale maj nahradu SFH203) fetu a TP traficka maj? v GME www.gme.cz Ten tranzistor 2N3904 stoji okolo 2Kc. -----Original Message----- From: ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Michal Mal??ek Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:22 PM To: Twibright Ronja Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: LED-dioda HPWT-BD00 ja shanel a stangli celou tu opravdu nekdo mel, bohuzel kdyz sem se mu ozval uz to bylo vsechno pryc, lidi to snazd zertou nebo vyrabej ty ronji jak na bezicim pasu :/ ostatne sehnat i jine soucastky specificke pro ronju je nekdy umeni. jen ty tranzisotry 2n39neco nebo jake to jsou je docela problem a vetsinou mivaj az tak ctvrtou nahradu v poradi :( > > Ale nastal problemy kdy mi bylo ?e?eno e dioda HPWT-BD00 nemaj? neboli e je > > to n?jak? atipick? typ - kupoval sjem v GME > > > > > Proto se te chci zeptat kde se daj? koupit - chtel by jsem jich aspon 6 ale i > > 10 by mi nevadilo - chtel bych stavet hoodne > > Nekdo tu na mailing listu inzeroval ze jich koupil stangli tak projdi archiv > od konce smerem do minulosti a nekde to tam najdes. > > Cl< > > > > > > Jestli teda nejak? m? m?es mi n?jak? prodat - i t?eba 2 - i ty by sta?ili nebo mne odk?zat kde mam koupit - ELITE mi sd?lil e se pry prodavaj ve velkem mnozstv? a v tom se moc nevyznam. > > > > > > Prosim porad. > > > > > > D?ky moc Josef ?erm?k ( xsomik ) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 14 17:20:25 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 14 17:20:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah na stole / distance on the table Message-ID: <407D64C9.1060108@poupe.net> Zdravim, mel bych dotazek... na stole by mela delat ronja cca 2.5m? ja z toho dostanu cca 70cm ;-( Cim to muze byt? Staveno pred opravou chybejiciho kondiku ve schematu (pochybuju, ze by to zpusoboval on) Hello, I have a question... Ronja is mostly working "on the table" on 2.5metres? It works me only to 70cm ;-( Where can be a problem? It was built before correction of missing C in schematics (I doubt about this reason) Kneza From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 14 17:32:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 17:32:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah na stole / distance on the table In-Reply-To: <407D64C9.1060108@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:20:25PM +0200 References: <407D64C9.1060108@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040414163235.A3209@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:20:25PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Zdravim, > mel bych dotazek... > na stole by mela delat ronja cca 2.5m? > ja z toho dostanu cca 70cm ;-( > Cim to muze byt? Staveno pred opravou chybejiciho kondiku ve schematu > (pochybuju, ze by to zpusoboval on) Ten by to fakt delat nemel. Ale kdyz to uz mas na stole tak ho tam zaletuj :) Jinak je to cely podle navodu? Pokud ano tak nejpravdepodobnejsi bych videl prorazenej vstupni tranzistor a nebo nezakrytovany krabicky ;-) Cl< > > Hello, > I have a question... > Ronja is mostly working "on the table" on 2.5metres? > It works me only to 70cm ;-( > Where can be a problem? It was built before correction of missing C in > schematics (I doubt about this reason) > > > Kneza > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Apr 14 17:41:02 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 17:41:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: LED-dioda HPWT-BD00 Message-ID: <000a01c4223f$46dd0370$0103450a@thechosen> ja vim, bohuzel kdzy jsme tam byl kupovat ja nemeli ani ty tranzistory Vse na TX RX i TP , krom TX led a RX diody (ale maj nahradu SFH203) fetu a TP traficka maj? v GME www.gme.cz Ten tranzistor 2N3904 stoji okolo 2Kc. -----Original Message----- From: ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Michal Mal??ek Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:22 PM To: Twibright Ronja Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: LED-dioda HPWT-BD00 ja shanel a stangli celou tu opravdu nekdo mel, bohuzel kdyz sem se mu ozval uz to bylo vsechno pryc, lidi to snazd zertou nebo vyrabej ty ronji jak na bezicim pasu :/ ostatne sehnat i jine soucastky specificke pro ronju je nekdy umeni. jen ty tranzisotry 2n39neco nebo jake to jsou je docela problem a vetsinou mivaj az tak ctvrtou nahradu v poradi :( > > Ale nastal problemy kdy mi bylo ?e?eno e dioda HPWT-BD00 nemaj? neboli e je > > to n?jak? atipick? typ - kupoval sjem v GME > > > > > Proto se te chci zeptat kde se daj? koupit - chtel by jsem jich aspon 6 ale i > > 10 by mi nevadilo - chtel bych stavet hoodne > > Nekdo tu na mailing listu inzeroval ze jich koupil stangli tak projdi archiv > od konce smerem do minulosti a nekde to tam najdes. > > Cl< > > > > > > Jestli teda nejak? m? m?es mi n?jak? prodat - i t?eba 2 - i ty by sta?ili nebo mne odk?zat kde mam koupit - ELITE mi sd?lil e se pry prodavaj ve velkem mnozstv? a v tom se moc nevyznam. > > > > > > Prosim porad. > > > > > > D?ky moc Josef ?erm?k ( xsomik ) From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 14 17:52:44 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 14 17:52:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah na stole / distance on the table In-Reply-To: <20040414163235.A3209@beton.cybernet.src> References: <407D64C9.1060108@poupe.net> <20040414163235.A3209@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <407D6C5C.3070002@poupe.net> nebylo zakrytovano, uz je .. 90cm ;-) vice vsak ne.. zeby ten tranzistor? lze to nejak zjistit? jiny napad? Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:20:25PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > >>Zdravim, >>mel bych dotazek... >>na stole by mela delat ronja cca 2.5m? >>ja z toho dostanu cca 70cm ;-( >>Cim to muze byt? Staveno pred opravou chybejiciho kondiku ve schematu >>(pochybuju, ze by to zpusoboval on) > > > Ten by to fakt delat nemel. Ale kdyz to uz mas na stole tak ho tam zaletuj :) > > Jinak je to cely podle navodu? Pokud ano tak nejpravdepodobnejsi bych videl > prorazenej vstupni tranzistor a nebo nezakrytovany krabicky ;-) > > Cl< > >>Hello, >>I have a question... >>Ronja is mostly working "on the table" on 2.5metres? >>It works me only to 70cm ;-( >>Where can be a problem? It was built before correction of missing C in >>schematics (I doubt about this reason) >> >> >>Kneza From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 14 18:04:14 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 14 18:04:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah na stole / distance on the table In-Reply-To: <407D6C5C.3070002@poupe.net> References: <407D64C9.1060108@poupe.net> <20040414163235.A3209@beton.cybernet.src> <407D6C5C.3070002@poupe.net> Message-ID: <407D6F0E.8010501@poupe.net> zavrel jsem jednu stranu a bylo to 90...druhou jen prizavrel neb tam mam docasne naletovany kabely horejskem jeste.. ted je to 100cm ;-( stale malo.. Kneza Michal Knezourek wrote: > nebylo zakrytovano, uz je .. 90cm ;-) > vice vsak ne.. zeby ten tranzistor? lze to nejak zjistit? jiny napad? > > Kneza > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:20:25PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: >> >>> Zdravim, >>> mel bych dotazek... >>> na stole by mela delat ronja cca 2.5m? >>> ja z toho dostanu cca 70cm ;-( >>> Cim to muze byt? Staveno pred opravou chybejiciho kondiku ve schematu >>> (pochybuju, ze by to zpusoboval on) >> >> >> >> Ten by to fakt delat nemel. Ale kdyz to uz mas na stole tak ho tam >> zaletuj :) >> >> Jinak je to cely podle navodu? Pokud ano tak nejpravdepodobnejsi bych >> videl >> prorazenej vstupni tranzistor a nebo nezakrytovany krabicky ;-) >> >> Cl< >> >>> Hello, >>> I have a question... >>> Ronja is mostly working "on the table" on 2.5metres? >>> It works me only to 70cm ;-( >>> Where can be a problem? It was built before correction of missing C >>> in schematics (I doubt about this reason) >>> >>> >>> Kneza From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 14 18:36:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 18:36:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah na stole / distance on the table In-Reply-To: <407D6C5C.3070002@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:52:44PM +0200 References: <407D64C9.1060108@poupe.net> <20040414163235.A3209@beton.cybernet.src> <407D6C5C.3070002@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040414173611.A3303@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:52:44PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > nebylo zakrytovano, uz je .. 90cm ;-) > vice vsak ne.. zeby ten tranzistor? lze to nejak zjistit? jiny napad? Jo. Na G1 pri prorazeni casto bejva neco jineho nez 0V. BTW jake jsou hodnoty na ostatnich mericich bodech? Cl< > > Kneza > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:20:25PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > > > >>Zdravim, > >>mel bych dotazek... > >>na stole by mela delat ronja cca 2.5m? > >>ja z toho dostanu cca 70cm ;-( > >>Cim to muze byt? Staveno pred opravou chybejiciho kondiku ve schematu > >>(pochybuju, ze by to zpusoboval on) > > > > > > Ten by to fakt delat nemel. Ale kdyz to uz mas na stole tak ho tam zaletuj :) > > > > Jinak je to cely podle navodu? Pokud ano tak nejpravdepodobnejsi bych videl > > prorazenej vstupni tranzistor a nebo nezakrytovany krabicky ;-) > > > > Cl< > > > >>Hello, > >>I have a question... > >>Ronja is mostly working "on the table" on 2.5metres? > >>It works me only to 70cm ;-( > >>Where can be a problem? It was built before correction of missing C in > >>schematics (I doubt about this reason) > >> > >> > >>Kneza > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 14 19:23:18 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 14 19:23:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah na stole / distance on the table In-Reply-To: <20040414173611.A3303@beton.cybernet.src> References: <407D64C9.1060108@poupe.net> <20040414163235.A3209@beton.cybernet.src> <407D6C5C.3070002@poupe.net> <20040414173611.A3303@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <407D8196.3020409@poupe.net> G1 je ok. ted jsem zmeril jedno rx: P101: 11.64V P102: 3.48V P103: 0 - OK P104: 7.54V P105: 5.79V P106: 5.67V P107: RSSI (dolni prah cca 30mV, pak to jiz neprenasi .. na blizko az 5V ;-)) P108: 10.90V - OK P109: 5.50V Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:52:44PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > >>nebylo zakrytovano, uz je .. 90cm ;-) >>vice vsak ne.. zeby ten tranzistor? lze to nejak zjistit? jiny napad? > > > Jo. Na G1 pri prorazeni casto bejva neco jineho nez 0V. BTW jake jsou > hodnoty na ostatnich mericich bodech? > > Cl< > >>Kneza >> >>Karel Kulhav? wrote: >> >>>On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:20:25PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Zdravim, >>>>mel bych dotazek... >>>>na stole by mela delat ronja cca 2.5m? >>>>ja z toho dostanu cca 70cm ;-( >>>>Cim to muze byt? Staveno pred opravou chybejiciho kondiku ve schematu >>>>(pochybuju, ze by to zpusoboval on) >>> >>> >>>Ten by to fakt delat nemel. Ale kdyz to uz mas na stole tak ho tam zaletuj :) >>> >>>Jinak je to cely podle navodu? Pokud ano tak nejpravdepodobnejsi bych videl >>>prorazenej vstupni tranzistor a nebo nezakrytovany krabicky ;-) >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>>>Hello, >>>>I have a question... >>>>Ronja is mostly working "on the table" on 2.5metres? >>>>It works me only to 70cm ;-( >>>>Where can be a problem? It was built before correction of missing C in >>>>schematics (I doubt about this reason) >>>> >>>> >>>>Kneza From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 14 20:10:28 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 20:10:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dosah na stole / distance on the table In-Reply-To: <407D8196.3020409@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 08:23:18PM +0200 References: <407D64C9.1060108@poupe.net> <20040414163235.A3209@beton.cybernet.src> <407D6C5C.3070002@poupe.net> <20040414173611.A3303@beton.cybernet.src> <407D8196.3020409@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040414191028.B3563@beton.cybernet.src> Napis prosimte i ty hodnoty co tam maj bejt. Vyfot to a posli fotky pls. Pri jak silnym osvetleni to zkousis? Cl< On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 08:23:18PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > G1 je ok. > ted jsem zmeril jedno rx: > P101: 11.64V > P102: 3.48V > P103: 0 - OK > P104: 7.54V > P105: 5.79V > P106: 5.67V > P107: RSSI (dolni prah cca 30mV, pak to jiz neprenasi .. na blizko az 5V > ;-)) > P108: 10.90V - OK > P109: 5.50V > > Kneza > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:52:44PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > > > >>nebylo zakrytovano, uz je .. 90cm ;-) > >>vice vsak ne.. zeby ten tranzistor? lze to nejak zjistit? jiny napad? > > > > > > Jo. Na G1 pri prorazeni casto bejva neco jineho nez 0V. BTW jake jsou > > hodnoty na ostatnich mericich bodech? > > > > Cl< > > > >>Kneza > >> > >>Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >> > >>>On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:20:25PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Zdravim, > >>>>mel bych dotazek... > >>>>na stole by mela delat ronja cca 2.5m? > >>>>ja z toho dostanu cca 70cm ;-( > >>>>Cim to muze byt? Staveno pred opravou chybejiciho kondiku ve schematu > >>>>(pochybuju, ze by to zpusoboval on) > >>> > >>> > >>>Ten by to fakt delat nemel. Ale kdyz to uz mas na stole tak ho tam zaletuj :) > >>> > >>>Jinak je to cely podle navodu? Pokud ano tak nejpravdepodobnejsi bych videl > >>>prorazenej vstupni tranzistor a nebo nezakrytovany krabicky ;-) > >>> > >>>Cl< > >>> > >>>>Hello, > >>>>I have a question... > >>>>Ronja is mostly working "on the table" on 2.5metres? > >>>>It works me only to 70cm ;-( > >>>>Where can be a problem? It was built before correction of missing C in > >>>>schematics (I doubt about this reason) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Kneza > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 21:35:05 2004 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Wed Apr 14 21:35:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister vs. TP Ronja (highlander).. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040414203505.12464.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> I understand that Twister can't autonegotiate for 10 full duplex. Highlander TP scheme can't. Both modules are on PCB. So, what news can Twister make? until now, it's a ''virtual copy'' of TP Highlander interface.(same functionality) Besides,Tp Ronja is a full tested interface from a good few months. What benefit bring Twister instead of Tp Ronja-Highlander? just askin... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 14 22:27:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 14 22:27:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] twister vs. TP Ronja (highlander).. In-Reply-To: <20040414203505.12464.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com>; from sorin_a99@yahoo.com on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 01:35:05PM -0700 References: <20040414203505.12464.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040414212719.A4183@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 01:35:05PM -0700, popa-popescu sorin-gabriel wrote: > > I understand that Twister can't autonegotiate for 10 > full duplex. Highlander TP scheme can't. > Both modules are on PCB. > So, what news can Twister make? > until now, it's a ''virtual copy'' of TP Highlander > interface.(same functionality) > Besides,Tp Ronja is a full tested interface from a > good few months. > What benefit bring Twister instead of Tp > Ronja-Highlander? Highlander TP is based on old AUI circuits that implement timing in an incorrect way. Cl< > just askin... > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From honza at hoidekr.net Thu Apr 15 13:49:10 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Hoidekr) Date: Thu Apr 15 13:49:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja In-Reply-To: <20040414122356.E2711@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040414121125.3EB8C33CCA@rekin5.o2.pl> <20040414122356.E2711@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <407E84C6.1050805@hoidekr.net> vezmes si na starost tu mys pro mamku? ted jedna perlicka vzal jsem USB externi DVD vypalovacku a pripojil do linuxu, moc jsem neveril ze to pujde, ale zkusil jsem to krasne ji to poznalo a prave ted vypaluju ;-) skoda, ze mam jen USB1.1 :-( cekam pres 2h na 1DVD H Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 02:11:25PM +0200, wyzio1@tlen.pl wrote: > > >>Will it be released at end of this month ? >> >> > >It will be released as soon as amount of contributions reach the >cost of the development. See http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php > >If all people send what thay have promised, it seems it will be soon. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From honza at hoidekr.net Thu Apr 15 13:50:37 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Hoidekr) Date: Thu Apr 15 13:50:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja In-Reply-To: <407E84C6.1050805@hoidekr.net> References: <20040414121125.3EB8C33CCA@rekin5.o2.pl> <20040414122356.E2711@beton.cybernet.src> <407E84C6.1050805@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <407E851D.8040405@hoidekr.net> omlouvam se ;-( Hoidekr wrote: > vezmes si na starost tu mys pro mamku? > > ted jedna perlicka > vzal jsem USB externi DVD vypalovacku a pripojil do linuxu, moc jsem > neveril ze to pujde, ale zkusil jsem to > krasne ji to poznalo a prave ted vypaluju ;-) > skoda, ze mam jen USB1.1 :-( cekam pres 2h na 1DVD > > H > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 02:11:25PM +0200, wyzio1@tlen.pl wrote: >> >> >>> Will it be released at end of this month ? >>> >> >> >> It will be released as soon as amount of contributions reach the >> cost of the development. See http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php >> >> If all people send what thay have promised, it seems it will be soon. >> >> Cl< >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Apr 15 22:48:25 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Apr 15 22:49:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] DPS SMD Rx, Tx srovnatelne s "air constructions" Message-ID: <11010132767.20040415234825@volny.cz> Nazdar vsichni, mam tu neco na zpestreni cekani na Twister. :-) Po vydatne spolupraci s Karlem Janem Skontorpem (autorem prvni vezre plosnaku) je tu druha verze jim navrzenych plosnaku. Je zde popsana deska Tx a Rx to jak v provedeni SMD tak v klasice. Prectete si peclive, co dosahuje jakych vysledku! Jedna se o oboustranne desky, padnouci do krabicek U-AH-102. Jsou zde taky gerber data. Ty jsem nekontroloval - nemam cim. Hodnoty srovnatelne s vrabcim hnizdem poskytuje pouze SMD verze!!! Pro dusledne dodavam, ze obtizne sehnatelne soucastky (BF9xx, NE592,2N3904) byly zamerne ponechany v klasice. Deska je navrzena pro konektory CINCH, k jejichyz pouzivani vsak nikoho nenutim. Kabely se daji zapajet primo do desky. Dejte ovsem pozor na hodnoty soucastek, zda se mi, ze treba odpory v SMD jsou mene presne nez klasika. Dalsi zrada je, ze kondenzatory v SMD nejsou popsane. Takze bud to chce merak kapacit, nebo vedet, kolik od ktere hodnoty jste koupili. Dosahy bez optiky byly mereny s AUI interfacem (vrabci hnizdo). Ja jsem v soucasne dobe pres toto SMD Rx pripojen na lince 734m dlouhe. Rozdil oproti Rx v hnizde bud neni, nebo ho neumim zmerit. Na packetlosu se neprojevil. Optoprvky mam HPWT-BD00-E4000 a SFH2030. Jsem ochoten k temto deskam poskytovat podporu (rady a porady....), ale s podporou v AJ to bude u me horsi. I pres to, ze jsem desku po navrhu vyzkousel, mmohla se nekde vloudit chybicka. Pokud na neco prijdete, dejte prosim vedet bud me, nebo primo autorovi. Veskerou dokumentaci najdete na adrese: http://k-j.skontorp.net/ronja/rx&tx/Ronja_pcbs.zip Casem k tomu snad zprovoznim nejake stranky. Zdravi OndraT From nitrogenium at centrum.cz Thu Apr 15 21:09:34 2004 From: nitrogenium at centrum.cz (nitrogenium@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Apr 15 22:59:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister Message-ID: <20040415200935Z2275304-1545+98615@mail4.centrum.cz> to Clock doufam ze zverejnis firmu kde sis nechaval delat ty DPS a dovolis nam pouzivat tvoje predlohy (folie), neb nam tim vsem usetris cas a hlavne penize za vyrobu novych predloh. Pokud o tom neuvazujes tak te o to prosim a jestli jsi naklady za folie nezahrnul do svych nakladu tak si je tam urcite zahrn :) - tim ti i sobe prispejeme pro obecne blaho :) Tim se hlavne vyresi koleguv problem, ktery poukazuje na to ze prokovy na koleni neudela. a pri maloserii v jine firme ty predlohy neunosne navysi celkovou cenu. Jestli jsem dobre postreh tak pak bude mit pouze vetsi naklady s postovnym do SR, presto by snad cena nemela dosahnout jeho zminovanych 1000 (pravdepodobne Sk ) ...a samozrejme ti budem vdecni vsichni... Dusik ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:16:21 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Re: Twister.Twister.Twister > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:42:52PM +0200, punjab wrote: > > Pokud si je nechas vyrobit, tak to neni obtizne zapajet. > > Jina alternativa nez si je nechat vyrobit moc neni - doma se to da > asi tezko udelat. Kdosi uz vyvinul through-plating > station na prokovovani der podomacku > http://www.myhome.ch/mzingg/pcbstuff/tps/ > > ale jeste to neni ani free technology - jeste tam nema ani planky > (zatim pouze fotky) > > A i tahle stanice potrebuje na provoz profesionalni chemikalie. > > To uz je jednodussi udelat Twistera na vrabci hnizdo nez si > podomacku na nej vyrabet tistaky - je to jednodussi o tu vyrobu > toho tistaku ;-) > > Lidi jsou fakt nemilosrdny. Stale cim dal vic ukazujou ze podomacku > se da udelat snad vsechno ;-) > > Cl< > > > > Duri wrote: > > > > >Cipis, mas pravdu, je to iba clockova vec, kedy to zverejni ..... bolo by > > >pekne mu aspon splatit jeho vlastne financie ktore, vrazil do vyvoja ... > > > > > >Inac, ten twister to je pekny napad, len keby bol jednostranny. > > >Uz dlho si chcem postavit Ronju, ale na plosnom spoji. No a rad bych nieco > > >jednostranneho, lebo u obojstranych tie prekovenia doma na kolene asi > > >nespravim > > >..... :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From cbedison at centrum.cz Thu Apr 15 22:41:27 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Apr 15 23:42:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja RSSI Message-ID: <20040415214128Z2334017-10416+36341@mail.centrum.cz> Zdravim, mam dotaz: jak ma byt velike RSSI se starym zapojenim (jedna dioda na vystupu NE592) na spoji 350m, s hlavicemi 90mm ? Pokousime se zamerit nasi prvni trasu, a jedna strana ukazuje RSSI 90mV, ale druha 0.3~0.4mV :( Diky za odpoved Edison Radotin http://www.edison-radotin.cz From ggorcsos at hotmail.com Fri Apr 16 04:28:07 2004 From: ggorcsos at hotmail.com (Gabor Gorcsos) Date: Fri Apr 16 04:28:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Detailni dokumentace Message-ID: Zdravim! Mel bych jeden dotaz. Hledam detailni popis k RONJI. Jakosi mi dokumentace na http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ nestaci. Jak to ctu tak to ctu stale mi nejaky detaily chybi. Pripoustim, na stavbu RONJI je to docela dobrej popis, jenomze ja bych chtel videt vic do hloubky. Poradte mi nekdo. Dekuji! Gabor _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Fri Apr 16 06:14:00 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Fri Apr 16 06:14:08 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20DPS=20SMD=20Rx=2C=20Tx=20srovnatelne=20s=20=22air=20constructions=22?= In-Reply-To: <11010132767.20040415234825@volny.cz> Message-ID: <345422.3620357-12749-138758773-1082092440@seznam.cz> Supeeer. Jsem necekal ze s tim takhle maknes ;) Me posilal Skontorp take odkaz (nekdy v noci), tak uz to ma Kohout v mailu, aby mi vyrobil alespon dva kusy DPS ;) ____________________________________________________________ Doposud jste fo??k pou??vali pouze k focen?. Ale te? z n?j m??ete i telefonovat. SonyEricsson T230 ji? od 1377,- K?. http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=73335%26url=www.oskar.cz From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 16 07:09:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 16 07:09:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Detailni dokumentace In-Reply-To: ; from ggorcsos@hotmail.com on Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:28:07PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040416060947.A5723@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:28:07PM -0600, Gabor Gorcsos wrote: > Zdravim! > > Mel bych jeden dotaz. > Hledam detailni popis k RONJI. Jakosi mi dokumentace na > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ nestaci. Jak to ctu tak to ctu stale > mi nejaky detaily chybi. Pripoustim, na stavbu RONJI je to docela dobrej > popis, jenomze ja bych chtel videt vic do hloubky. Poradte mi nekdo. Co ti tam chybi? Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Fri Apr 16 07:16:56 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Fri Apr 16 07:17:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040415214128Z2334017-10416+36341@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040415214128Z2334017-10416+36341@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200404160816.56228.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 15. dubna 2004 23:41 cbedison@centrum.cz napsal(a): > Zdravim, > mam dotaz: jak ma byt velike RSSI se starym zapojenim (jedna dioda na > vystupu NE592) na spoji 350m, s hlavicemi 90mm ? > > Pokousime se zamerit nasi prvni trasu, a jedna strana ukazuje RSSI 90mV, > ale druha 0.3~0.4mV :( > 90mV je rozumna hodnota, jeste by sla urcite vylepsit ale provozovat se to takto da. 0.3 - 0.4mV to je na hranici kdy mi to prestane chodit takze tohle je strasne malo a sebemensi zhorseni podminek linku zhodi, nekde je chyba, pokud to chodilo stejne na stole (obe pulky) pak je chyba v zamereni nebo v cockach. Tyu vietnamske jsou nekdy krive jak prase. Zkus prehodit prijimacovy a vysilacovy tubus. Podle mych zkusenosti musi byt vysislacova cocka perfektni , na prjimacove az zas tak moc nezalezi. Rozdil v kvalite cocek byl na trase 1.3km nasledujici (prijimac byl vzdy stejny ve stejnem tubusu): Nejlepsi: 80mV Nejhorsi 0.1mV S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 16 08:01:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri Apr 16 08:01:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040415214128Z2334017-10416+36341@mail.centrum.cz>; from cbedison@centrum.cz on Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 11:41:27PM +0200 References: <20040415214128Z2334017-10416+36341@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040416070135.A5807@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 11:41:27PM +0200, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > Zdravim, > mam dotaz: jak ma byt velike RSSI se starym zapojenim (jedna dioda na vystupu > NE592) na spoji 350m, s hlavicemi 90mm ? RSSI se dost meni v zavislosti na tom jaky zesileni a proud ma ten tranzistor. Protoze je to nelinearni, tak i mala zmena sily signalu pri nizkych hodnotach dava velkou zmenu RSSI. Nicmene zesileni a proud tranzistoru nemaji temer vliv na pomer signal/sum (zesiluje se i sum) takze se netreba desit toho ze prijimac ktery dava mensi RSSI bude nejak menecenny. > Pokousime se zamerit nasi prvni trasu, a jedna strana ukazuje RSSI 90mV, ale > druha 0.3~0.4mV :( Je potreba zmerit packetloss, ten je podstatny. Jak je ta trasa dlouha? Cl< From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Fri Apr 16 12:58:10 2004 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vojtech_Cizinsk=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 16 12:58:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26 References: Message-ID: <000401c423aa$16aebf60$702da8c0@woita> Message: 8 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:09:47 +0000 From: Karel Kulhav? Subject: Re: [Ronja] Detailni dokumentace To: Twibright Ronja Message-ID: <20040416060947.A5723@beton.cybernet.src> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:28:07PM -0600, Gabor Gorcsos wrote: > Zdravim! > > Mel bych jeden dotaz. > Hledam detailni popis k RONJI. Jakosi mi dokumentace na > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ nestaci. Jak to ctu tak to ctu stale > mi nejaky detaily chybi. Pripoustim, na stavbu RONJI je to docela dobrej > popis, jenomze ja bych chtel videt vic do hloubky. Poradte mi nekdo. Nejdyl do mesice sem hodim link na pdf soubor. Sepisuju komplet dokumentaci i s vysvetlenim funkce jednotlivych casti ve schematu (teda alespon to, co jsem pochopil ;) Je to to, co hledas? WoiTa From simandl at mujmail.cz Fri Apr 16 13:09:34 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Fri Apr 16 13:09:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Detailni dokumentace In-Reply-To: <20040416060947.A5723@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040416060947.A5723@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <407FCCFE.60003@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, dalo by se pomoci wiki rozepsat jaka funkce je na te ktere konkretni soucastce. Byla by to obdoba dokumentace kterou delame u nas v praci. Rikame tomu "Theory of Operation" Napr. ohledne schematu http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver_inverted.png by se popsala funkce a pozadovane vlastnosti pro R101, PD101 C101 R103 Q101 a tak dale. V podstate by se sepsaly zkusenosti roztrousene po hlavach a prispevcich lidi v teto konferenci :) Clovek by se z toho dozvedel proc je R101 zrovna 100kOhms a jak vlastne funguje zesilovaci stupen s tranzistorem Q101 Priznam se bez muceni ze jsem se na obvodech ronji dozvedel spoustu noveho a jeste spoustu veci urcite objevim :) A to mam diplom z oboru mikroelektroniky a navrhu integrovanych obvodu.... Mohlo by to byt napr. tak, ze na http://ronja.twibright.com/receiver/index.php by pribyl bod jmenem napr. "Theory of Operation" a podobne i u ostatnich bloku projektu hezky den Sima Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:28:07PM -0600, Gabor Gorcsos wrote: >>Zdravim! >>Mel bych jeden dotaz. >>Hledam detailni popis k RONJI. Jakosi mi dokumentace na >>http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ nestaci. Jak to ctu tak to ctu stale >>mi nejaky detaily chybi. Pripoustim, na stavbu RONJI je to docela dobrej >>popis, jenomze ja bych chtel videt vic do hloubky. Poradte mi nekdo. > Co ti tam chybi? > Cl< From simandl at mujmail.cz Fri Apr 16 14:15:02 2004 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Fri Apr 16 14:14:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja RSSI In-Reply-To: <20040416070135.A5807@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040415214128Z2334017-10416+36341@mail.centrum.cz> <20040416070135.A5807@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <407FDC56.1010204@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, obecne vetsinou kvalita prijmu zavisi na odstupu signal-sum a na odstup signal-sum ma _prakticky_ vliv jen kvalita prvniho zesilovaciho stupne. Kazdy stupen ma nejaky svuj vlastni sum a pridava ho k signalu. Proto se jevi jako nejvyhodnejsi zesilit signal hned na prvnim stupni co nejvic aby nasledujici stupne uz pracovaly s mnohem vetsi urovni signalu nez je jejich vlastni sum. Sum dalsich stupnu je pak diky velkemu zesileni na prvnim stupni zanedbatelny. Sum prvniho stupne tam bude vzdy a nezbavime se ho ale prave s ohledem na nasledne zpracovani je lepsi prvni stupen navrhnout s co nejvetsim zesilenim. U modulu RX je jeste problem v ovlivneni vstupniho obvodu rusenim po napajeni a hlavne kapacitne vzduchem. Proto se napajeci napeti vstupniho dilu musi filtrovat a stinit plechovou krabickou se sekcemi pro jednotlive zesilovaci stupne. Pokud to tedy bude mozne tak tranzistor Q101 na vstupu by mel byt v takovem pracovnim bodu aby (nekdo to tu pred nedavnem popisoval ze je to kaskoda - zapojeni se dvema tranzistory) mel maximalni mozne napetove zesileni. A napetove zesileni je dane podle (sice pro bipolary ale je to pouzitelne) http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/obrazky/kaskoda.jpg jen gm tranzistoru Q101 a odporem R106 560ohms http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png Defacto, pokud to mas podle navodu a nemas prorazeny tranzistor, tak mas zesileni u obou RX stejne a tedy mas mit pro stejne podminky RSSI take stejne. To ze mas RSSI _velmi_ jine znamena ze je neco v neporadku "vic nez normalne". Chybu bych tedy asi hledal tam jak to nastinil Zapik. hezky den Sima cbedison@centrum.cz napsal(a): > Zdravim, > mam dotaz: jak ma byt velike RSSI se starym zapojenim (jedna dioda na vystupu NE592) na spoji 350m, s hlavicemi 90mm ? > Pokousime se zamerit nasi prvni trasu, a jedna strana ukazuje RSSI 90mV, ale druha 0.3~0.4mV :( > Diky za odpoved > Edison Radotin > http://www.edison-radotin.cz From ggorcsos at hotmail.com Fri Apr 16 14:47:02 2004 From: ggorcsos at hotmail.com (Gabor Gorcsos) Date: Fri Apr 16 14:47:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26 Message-ID: Jo, prave tohleto hledam. Az to bude hotovy moh bys mi dat vedet. Mohl bys zopakovat ten link? Gabor >Nejdyl do mesice sem hodim link na pdf soubor. Sepisuju komplet dokumentaci >i s vysvetlenim funkce jednotlivych casti ve schematu (teda alespon to, co >jsem pochopil ;) > >Je to to, co hledas? > >WoiTa _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 16 21:04:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 16 21:04:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Unresolved contribution Message-ID: <20040416200411.A6458@beton.cybernet.src> Hello It looks like I have received some unresolved financial contribution to Ronja so that if someone has sent something without notifying me, please drop me a mail. Thanks. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 16 21:34:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 16 21:34:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja RSSI In-Reply-To: <407FDC56.1010204@mujmail.cz>; from simandl@mujmail.cz on Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 03:15:02PM +0200 References: <20040415214128Z2334017-10416+36341@mail.centrum.cz> <20040416070135.A5807@beton.cybernet.src> <407FDC56.1010204@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <20040416203433.B6458@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 03:15:02PM +0200, Petr Simandl wrote: > Ahoj, > obecne vetsinou kvalita prijmu zavisi na odstupu signal-sum a na > odstup signal-sum ma _prakticky_ vliv jen kvalita prvniho > zesilovaciho stupne. Zavisi to pak jeste od osvetleni, protoze u kvalitniho prijimace vystrelovy sum na prijimaci diode brzo preboucha vlastni sum zesilovace. > > Kazdy stupen ma nejaky svuj vlastni sum a pridava ho k signalu. > Proto se jevi jako nejvyhodnejsi zesilit signal hned na prvnim stupni > co nejvic aby nasledujici stupne uz pracovaly s mnohem vetsi urovni > signalu nez je jejich vlastni sum. Sum dalsich stupnu je pak diky > velkemu zesileni na prvnim stupni zanedbatelny. > > Sum prvniho stupne tam bude vzdy a nezbavime se ho ale prave s ohledem > na nasledne zpracovani je lepsi prvni stupen navrhnout s co nejvetsim > zesilenim. > > U modulu RX je jeste problem v ovlivneni vstupniho obvodu rusenim > po napajeni a hlavne kapacitne vzduchem. > Proto se napajeci napeti vstupniho dilu musi filtrovat a stinit > plechovou krabickou se sekcemi pro jednotlive zesilovaci stupne. > > Pokud to tedy bude mozne tak tranzistor Q101 na vstupu by mel byt > v takovem pracovnim bodu aby (nekdo to tu pred nedavnem popisoval > ze je to kaskoda - zapojeni se dvema tranzistory) mel maximalni > mozne napetove zesileni. > > A napetove zesileni je dane podle (sice pro bipolary ale je to pouzitelne) > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/obrazky/kaskoda.jpg > jen gm tranzistoru Q101 a odporem R106 560ohms > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver.png R106 se meni v rozsahu az 180-1.8k, takze az v pomeru 1:10. gm se meni taky v nejakem rozsahu, viz datasheet toho konkretniho typu (starsi typy to budou mit obecne horsi, protoze se technologie naparovani te tenoucke vrstvicky izolantu tehdy pochopitelne mene zvladala nez dnes). K tomu pripocteme jeste nelinearitu RSSI pri slabem signalu a ziskame uplne uzasne rozdily v hodnotach RSSI pri konstantnim prijimanem vykonu, prip. konstantnim SNR nebo BER :) Z hlediska zamerovani je to samozrejme jedno, podstatna je tam ta monotonnost ktera je zachovana. > > Defacto, pokud to mas podle navodu a nemas prorazeny tranzistor, tak mas > zesileni u obou RX stejne a tedy mas mit pro stejne podminky > RSSI take stejne. Z toho co vyse uvadim plyne, ze toto neni pravda. > > To ze mas RSSI _velmi_ jine znamena ze je neco v neporadku "vic nez normalne". > > Chybu bych tedy asi hledal tam jak to nastinil Zapik. Ja doporucuju: 1) Pokud nebyl tranzistor letovan zcela dle vsech staticko-elektrickych zasad, tak ho naslepo vymenit a letovat v souladu se vsemi zasadami, a moc dlouho ho nesmazit pajkou :) Obzvlast ty titerny se mi darilo oddelat (nevim proc - vnitrek (cip) podle me musi bejt stejnej, ze by kvuli prehrati? ) 2) Zmerit packetloss. Pokud je OK, nic se nedeje. 3) Zkontrolovat zapojeni na studenaky a spatnou topologii / spatne hodnoty Cl< > > hezky den > Sima > > cbedison@centrum.cz napsal(a): > > Zdravim, > > mam dotaz: jak ma byt velike RSSI se starym zapojenim (jedna dioda na vystupu NE592) na spoji 350m, s hlavicemi 90mm ? > > Pokousime se zamerit nasi prvni trasu, a jedna strana ukazuje RSSI 90mV, ale druha 0.3~0.4mV :( > > Diky za odpoved > > Edison Radotin > > http://www.edison-radotin.cz > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sat Apr 17 08:22:26 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Apr 17 08:21:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] DPS SMD Rx, Tx srovnatelne s "air constructions" References: <345422.3620357-12749-138758773-1082092440@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <002501c4244c$c21bc210$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> nechal bys u kohouta ty folie ? Taky bych je asi vyuzil. Dik p0l0us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damir ?poljari?" To: "Ondrej Tesar" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] DPS SMD Rx, Tx srovnatelne s "air constructions" Supeeer. Jsem necekal ze s tim takhle maknes ;) Me posilal Skontorp take odkaz (nekdy v noci), tak uz to ma Kohout v mailu, aby mi vyrobil alespon dva kusy DPS ;) From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Sat Apr 17 08:39:49 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Sat Apr 17 08:40:08 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20DPS=20SMD=20Rx=2C=20Tx=20srovnatelne=20s=20=22air=20constructions=22?= In-Reply-To: <002501c4244c$c21bc210$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> Message-ID: <419824.3847750-2580-1324798829-1082187589@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Martin Polehla" Komu (To): "Damir ?poljari?" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] DPS SMD Rx, Tx srovnatelne s "air constructions" Datum (Date): 17. 4. 2004 9:22 ================================================== > nechal bys u kohouta ty folie ? > Taky bych je asi vyuzil. > > Dik > p0l0us > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Damir ?poljari?" > To: "Ondrej Tesar" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] DPS SMD Rx, Tx srovnatelne s "air constructions" > > > Supeeer. Jsem necekal ze s tim takhle maknes ;) Me posilal Skontorp take > odkaz (nekdy v noci), tak uz to ma Kohout v mailu, aby mi vyrobil alespon > dva kusy DPS ;) > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja No ja to kohoutovi jeste neposilal, ale dneska uz cas bude, tak mu to poslu. Folie u nej zustanou. reknu at je da do archivu. From polous at katka.biz Sat Apr 17 09:00:22 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Apr 17 08:58:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] DPS SMD Rx, Tx srovnatelne s "air constructions" References: <419824.3847750-2580-1324798829-1082187589@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <00ad01c42452$108de770$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> jeste otazka: Budou plosnaky od kohouta dostatecne kvalitni ? - probehla diskuze, ze jeho material nema takove VF vlastnosti jak jsou potreba. Viz. napr. http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=80905#post80905 p0l0us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damir ?poljari?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] DPS SMD Rx, Tx srovnatelne s "air constructions" ... No ja to kohoutovi jeste neposilal, ale dneska uz cas bude, tak mu to poslu. Folie u nej zustanou. reknu at je da do archivu. _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sat Apr 17 09:05:17 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Sat Apr 17 09:05:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] DPS SMD Rx, Tx srovnatelne s "air constructions" References: <419824.3847750-2580-1324798829-1082187589@seznam.cz> <00ad01c42452$108de770$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> Message-ID: <000501c42452$b8826cd0$0103450a@thechosen> a je ronja az tak moc VF? :) jeste otazka: Budou plosnaky od kohouta dostatecne kvalitni ? - probehla diskuze, ze jeho material nema takove VF vlastnosti jak jsou potreba. Viz. napr. http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=80905#post80905 p0l0us From polous at katka.biz Sat Apr 17 09:29:14 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Apr 17 09:27:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] DPS SMD Rx, Tx srovnatelne s "air constructions" References: <419824.3847750-2580-1324798829-1082187589@seznam.cz><00ad01c42452$108de770$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> <000501c42452$b8826cd0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <00ca01c42456$14ebc680$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> To ja prave nevim - mozna by poradil clock. Ptal jsem se u kohouta a pry to VF material je.. tak nevim. Ale co vim, ze RX DPS od simandla sem na dpskach od kohouta jeste nerozchodil, ale RX vrabcaka ala clock hned na prvni pokus bez problemu ! 2Ondrej Tesar & spol.: kde ste si nechali delat ty smd DPS vy ? p0l0us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Mal??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] DPS SMD Rx, Tx srovnatelne s "air constructions" > a je ronja az tak moc VF? :) > > > > > jeste otazka: Budou plosnaky od kohouta dostatecne kvalitni ? - probehla > diskuze, ze jeho material nema takove VF vlastnosti jak jsou potreba. Viz. > napr. http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=80905#post80905 > > p0l0us > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz Sat Apr 17 13:16:42 2004 From: vojtech.cizinsky at centrum.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vojtech_Cizinsk=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 17 13:17:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 12, Issue 27 References: Message-ID: <000401c42475$d80e83e0$702da8c0@woita> Tak se na to muzete podivat. Bohuzel, Acrobat blbnul, tak je to v docu... www.chrudim.cz/genesis/RonjaPopis.rar WoiTa > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:09:47 +0000 > From: Karel Kulhav? > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Detailni dokumentace > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <20040416060947.A5723@beton.cybernet.src> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:28:07PM -0600, Gabor Gorcsos wrote: > > Zdravim! > > > > Mel bych jeden dotaz. > > Hledam detailni popis k RONJI. Jakosi mi dokumentace na > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ nestaci. Jak to ctu tak to ctu > stale > > mi nejaky detaily chybi. Pripoustim, na stavbu RONJI je to docela dobrej > > popis, jenomze ja bych chtel videt vic do hloubky. Poradte mi nekdo. > > Nejdyl do mesice sem hodim link na pdf soubor. Sepisuju komplet dokumentaci > i s vysvetlenim funkce jednotlivych casti ve schematu (teda alespon to, co > jsem pochopil ;) > > Je to to, co hledas? > > WoiTa From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 17 13:32:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 17 13:32:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 12, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <000401c42475$d80e83e0$702da8c0@woita>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 02:16:42PM +0200 References: <000401c42475$d80e83e0$702da8c0@woita> Message-ID: <20040417123218.B8435@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 02:16:42PM +0200, Vojtech Cizinsk? wrote: > > Tak se na to muzete podivat. Bohuzel, Acrobat blbnul, tak je to v docu... > www.chrudim.cz/genesis/RonjaPopis.rar Muzete to dat na wikinu (samozrejme ne ve formatu .doc) a bude k tomu moct kazdy pripisovat poznamky. http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/TwibrightRonja Cl< > > WoiTa > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:09:47 +0000 > > From: Karel Kulhav? > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Detailni dokumentace > > To: Twibright Ronja > > Message-ID: <20040416060947.A5723@beton.cybernet.src> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:28:07PM -0600, Gabor Gorcsos wrote: > > > Zdravim! > > > > > > Mel bych jeden dotaz. > > > Hledam detailni popis k RONJI. Jakosi mi dokumentace na > > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ nestaci. Jak to ctu tak to ctu > > stale > > > mi nejaky detaily chybi. Pripoustim, na stavbu RONJI je to docela dobrej > > > popis, jenomze ja bych chtel videt vic do hloubky. Poradte mi nekdo. > > > > Nejdyl do mesice sem hodim link na pdf soubor. Sepisuju komplet > dokumentaci > > i s vysvetlenim funkce jednotlivych casti ve schematu (teda alespon to, co > > jsem pochopil ;) > > > > Je to to, co hledas? > > > > WoiTa > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 17 14:14:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 17 14:14:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Preklady dalsi... In-Reply-To: <003401c41bb9$b3b74a50$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf>; from polous@katka.biz on Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 11:13:53AM +0200 References: <003401c41bb9$b3b74a50$4805150a@wandering.repy.czf> Message-ID: <20040417131415.A8705@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 11:13:53AM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > > Ahoj, > posilam ti dalsi casti prekladu. Bohuze moje Aj nejni tak silna jak jiz urcite vis a par veci chybi (najdes je lehce). ;-) > > btw. neposilal sem ti to uz ? mam to prelozeny uz nakej cas a celou dobu si myslim, ze uz je to poslany. Ale na strankach nic nejni. hmm tak jestli to mas podruhy, tak bud chapavej :)) Mozna jo. Jinak diky, uz jsem se k tomu dostal a prave jsem to tam pridal :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 17 15:44:56 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 17 15:45:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: chybny odkaz In-Reply-To: <000801c42483$5be53440$702da8c0@woita>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 03:53:27PM +0200 References: <000801c42483$5be53440$702da8c0@woita> Message-ID: <20040417144456.C8795@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 03:53:27PM +0200, Vojt?ch ?i?insk? wrote: > Nasel jsem chybu v odkazu na instalaci vytapeni v cestine > melo by byt: > http://ronja.twibright.com/heating/mounting_cz.php > ale mate tam: > http://ronja.twibright.com/heating/mountin_cz.php > tudiz je to nefunkcni, ale chytreho cloveka jako ja to napadne ;) To uz je nejakou chvili opravene. Zrejme jste na to narazil kdyz jsem "ladil" (ctete: prasil) ty preklady kdyz jsem je tam daval :) Cl< > > zdravi > WoiTa From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 17 16:52:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 17 16:52:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: chybny odkaz In-Reply-To: <000601c42492$785d1d90$702da8c0@woita>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 05:41:37PM +0200 References: <000801c42483$5be53440$702da8c0@woita> <20040417144456.C8795@beton.cybernet.src> <000601c42492$785d1d90$702da8c0@woita> Message-ID: <20040417155236.A2358@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 05:41:37PM +0200, Vojt?ch ?i?insk? wrote: > Nemuzu si pomoct, ale odkaz ze stranky > http://ronja.twibright.com/heating/index_cz.php > na montaz stale nefunguje (testovano v ie a Opere) :) Aha sorry ja to overil omylem na anglicke verzi misto na ceske. Ted uz jsem to opravil. Cl< > > WoiTa From klapek at kki.net.pl Sat Apr 17 21:16:28 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sat Apr 17 21:15:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Simplicity - minor progress Message-ID: <200404172216.28018.klapek@kki.net.pl> Hi, I have build another piece of Simplicity according to the ALPHA-4 schematic. I have connected ALPHA-3 to ALPHA-4 and transmitted some packects. It works. Updated schematic, GAL contents and some pictures at http://koprowski.org/ronja/simplicity.html The coax line drivers/receivers are still not there bu the infrastructure is ready: TX line is buffered (in a hackish way ;) ) instead of being connected to the GAL directly. On the pictures you can see that it really is simple. As always, all suggestions are welcome. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 18 11:52:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 18 11:52:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c509b full duplex aui in linux In-Reply-To: <200404041826.15944.klapek@kki.net.pl>; from klapek@kki.net.pl on Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 06:26:15PM +0200 References: <200404041826.15944.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040418105202.A5472@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 06:26:15PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > Hi, > I've been trying to force my 3c509b to full duplex following > step-by-step http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/testing.php > yet I failed. Current ethtool (1.6) on my 2.4.18 box complains The guide is not a step-by-step guide for 3c509 card. There are examples for linux where "it may work" is written. It's up to you to determine from the specification or user guide of your OS how a NIC is set to full duplex. try insmod 3c509 options=1 full_duplex=1 but it has been long time I have been setting up 3c509 into full duplex and this hint may be incorrect. I suggest people coping with such problems in network cards to write down hints for each network card, windows etc. on Ronja twiki. > about operation being not permitted, loading the 3c509 driver > with full_duplex option doesn't do anything. It seems to me > that at some point in time the 3c509 driver dropped support > for the forced full-duplex aui as I seem to recall that that on > my old 2.2.x box it worked. Furthermore the doc: > http://www.iglu.org.il/lxr/source/Documentation/networking/3c509.txt > claims that: > 71 (b) You must be using your card's 10baseT transceiver (i.e., the RJ-45 > 72 connector), not its AUI (thick-net) or 10base2 (thin-net/coax) interfaces. > 73 AUI and 10base2 network cabling is physically incapable of full-duplex > 74 operation. AUI is physically capable of full duplex on 3c509b. Maybe not on 3c509. The documentations for linux kernel are sometimes crap and sometimes the criticals parts of the code are simply using in the kernel. It happened to me with IIRC 3c905 card and Randy Dunlap wrote up the missing hunk of code, sent it to me as a patch and it worked :) Cl< > > Playing around with the DOS config utility I reached a state when 3c5x9setup > (under Linux) claimed that the "force full duplex" option is set, but the > media type had to be TP so having a loopback plug in aui port I couldn't > see duplicated icmp echo reqs. > > I'm not going into discussion if aui is according to the standard capable > of working in full duplex or not, I'm just signaling a problem. Maybe the > testing chapter of the guide has to be rewritten taking into concideration > newer drivers/tools versions. > > BTW: the loopback test works in 3c5x9cfg (dos utility) if the media is set > to AUI, full duplex disabled (the tool disallows FD together with AUI). > > Regards, > Tomek Koprowski > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Sun Apr 18 13:27:49 2004 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Sun Apr 18 13:28:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c509 FD AUI under Windows Message-ID: <200404181427.49524.martin.stachon@tiscali.cz> Hi, I've seen some of you had trouble switching your 3c509b into AUI Fullduplex. So I decided to write a small utility for achieving this. I simply took code from linux 3c509.c driver which switches the card into FD AUI and compiled it for Windows. It uses io.dll from http://geekhideout.com/iodll.shtml, which claims it'll work on all Windows versions. But I don't have the hardware to test this. (Well, I have, but my 3c509b seems to be broken, and I am lazy to make an AUI cable, reboot into Win etc.) So it is up to you to try it ;-) There are many reasons why it might not work: * it blindly uses linux kernel code in Windows userspace * it doesn't spin_lock_irq() like the linux driver * it was cross-compiled on linux with mingw (and crashes with wine) * I am a begginer C programmer There is a chance it will crash your machine. However, I'd pleased to hear it works :-) the usage is simple : el3fdaui ioport where ioport is the hex address of your card. This should do the same as "ethtool -s port aui duplex full" on Linux. It'll switch the transciever online, and it'll hopefully remain until next reboot. The source and the binary is at : http://www.webpark.cz/stachon/files/el3.zip Good luck! Martin 'Druid' Stachon, CZFree.NET.Ostrava From ggorcsos at hotmail.com Sun Apr 18 15:59:04 2004 From: ggorcsos at hotmail.com (Gabor Gorcsos) Date: Sun Apr 18 15:59:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Mediaconvertor Message-ID: Zdravim! Pred par dnemi jsem si prohlizel "czfree-cesnet-seminar-0103.avi" video a je tam nejakej Lada ... (jeho cele jmeno jsem nezachytil), on pouziva nejakej mediaconvertor pro Ronja PCB. Chtel bych vedet neco vic, jestli je to mozne, o tomhle Ronja navrhu. Vite nekdo jeho cely jmeno? Mohli by jste mi poradit kde bych nasel neco vice (popis, nejaka schemata a tak...) o tomhle navrhu? Dekuji! Gabor _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 18 18:02:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 18 18:02:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: asi opravy preklepu In-Reply-To: <40660184.4030803@students.zcu.cz>; from elkropac@students.zcu.cz on Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 11:34:44PM +0100 References: <40660184.4030803@students.zcu.cz> Message-ID: <20040418170214.A25754@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 11:34:44PM +0100, Libor Klepac wrote: > zdravim > > pri stavbe ronji jsem zatim narazil na nasledujici asichyby v > dokumentaci ;-) > > transmitter/building_cz.php > ----------------------------- > sekce o kabelech ... pise se tam ze se maji delat 2 kusy dvojlinky, v > anglicke jenom jeden kus (zrejme zkopirovano z receiveru) Diky, opraveno, tohle je chyba prekladu. > > schematics/aui_forte.components.cz > --------------------------------------- > canon ma by samec, ne samice ;-) (kamarad se na to nachytal) Za tohle se omluvam a vzniklou zbytecnou koupi konektoru, to neni chyba prekladu, ale moje (chyba v sedovem skriptu na automaticky preklad seznamu soucastek z anglictiny do cestiny). Opravil jsem to ale uz pred nejakou dobou (viz changelog). 20.12.2003 v 22:19:38 :) > > receiver/building.php,receiver/building_cz.php > ------------------------------------------------ > v tabulce s postupem letovani soucastek je 2x C104 ...jeste se musim > podivat jestli naopak neco nechybi Diky, opraveno. Jestli to letujes tak na to prijdes, me se to ted nechce tisknout a odskrtavat ;-) Doufam ze tam nic nechybi ;-) > > to je vse, > moc diky za ronju, az budeme mit neco hotovo tak poslem nejake fotky Hmm, budu se tesit :) Diky za bugreporty. Cl< > > s pozdravem > libor From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 19 06:24:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 19 06:25:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AUI FORTE In-Reply-To: ; from ncsu_student@hotmail.com on Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 05:48:50PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20040419052409.A26825@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 05:48:50PM -0400, NCSU Student wrote: > I see that at the bottom of the AUI Forte schematic there are logic gates > connected to each other but they are not in the circuit. Are they suppose > to be connected to something somewhere else or what? Are they just in there > to connect all the pins on the ICs? This is for prevention of floating inputs. Cl< > > Thanks > Scott > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Apr 19 07:47:26 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Apr 19 07:48:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Detailni dokumentace In-Reply-To: <407FCCFE.60003@mujmail.cz> References: <20040416060947.A5723@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4083921E.18089.EA149@localhost> Ja bych jenom napsal, ze je to klasicka BLACK BOX kvantove fyziky. Ze funguje jen, kdyz se nikdo nediva dovnitr ;-). Kdyz to Clock navrhoval, tak musel mit stesti jak blazen nebo je genius, ze to vubec funguje. On 16 Apr 2004 at 14:09, Petr Simandl wrote: > Ahoj, > dalo by se pomoci wiki rozepsat jaka funkce je na te ktere > konkretni soucastce. Byla by to obdoba dokumentace kterou delame > u nas v praci. Rikame tomu "Theory of Operation" > Napr. ohledne schematu > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver_inverted.png > by se popsala funkce a pozadovane vlastnosti pro > R101, PD101 > C101 > R103 > Q101 > a tak dale. > V podstate by se sepsaly zkusenosti roztrousene po hlavach > a prispevcich lidi v teto konferenci :) > > Clovek by se z toho dozvedel proc je R101 zrovna 100kOhms a > jak vlastne funguje zesilovaci stupen s tranzistorem Q101 > > Priznam se bez muceni ze jsem se na obvodech ronji dozvedel spoustu > noveho a jeste spoustu veci urcite objevim :) A to mam diplom > z oboru mikroelektroniky a navrhu integrovanych obvodu.... > > Mohlo by to byt napr. tak, ze na > http://ronja.twibright.com/receiver/index.php > by pribyl bod jmenem napr. "Theory of Operation" > a podobne i u ostatnich bloku projektu > > hezky den > Sima > > Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:28:07PM -0600, Gabor Gorcsos wrote: > >>Zdravim! > >>Mel bych jeden dotaz. > >>Hledam detailni popis k RONJI. Jakosi mi dokumentace na > >>http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ nestaci. Jak to ctu tak to ctu stale > >>mi nejaky detaily chybi. Pripoustim, na stavbu RONJI je to docela dobrej > >>popis, jenomze ja bych chtel videt vic do hloubky. Poradte mi nekdo. > > Co ti tam chybi? > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From tomekw at irc.pl Mon Apr 19 14:31:43 2004 From: tomekw at irc.pl (tomekw@irc.pl) Date: Mon Apr 19 14:33:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900b AUI under XP Message-ID: <1722202336.20040419153143@irc.pl> Hello Enyone now how to force 3c900b to AUI Full Duplex under WinXP? Please help!! -- Best regards, tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 19 16:07:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 19 16:09:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900b AUI under XP In-Reply-To: <1722202336.20040419153143@irc.pl>; from tomekw@irc.pl on Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 03:31:43PM +0200 References: <1722202336.20040419153143@irc.pl> Message-ID: <20040419150735.D27534@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 03:31:43PM +0200, tomekw@irc.pl wrote: > Hello > Enyone now how to force 3c900b to AUI Full Duplex under WinXP? > Please help!! Sorry, I don't know. And if you get the information, please put it on Ronja Wiki. Cl< > > > -- > Best regards, > tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klapek at kki.net.pl Mon Apr 19 17:26:12 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Mon Apr 19 17:25:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] AUI Forte In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404191826.12310.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Monday 19 of April 2004 14:20, NCSU Student wrote: > But the outputs are not used right? Right. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 19 19:52:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 19 19:54:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Releasing Twister / Uvolnovani Twistera Message-ID: <20040419185257.A28197@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Ahoj The circle is closing. Thanks to all for sending their financial gifts. I am pleased to announce that the said contributions have reached said amount and Twister is being released. Kruh se uzavira. Diky vsem za jejich financni dary. Je mi potesenim oznamit, ze soucet techto daru dosahl recene vyse a Twister se muze uvolnovat. The release will last some time because all the PHP code has to be made to work on the ronja server. This is the first time something like that is being done (a one-time release of a big piece of "code" ;-) ). Uvolneni bude nejakou chvilku trvat protoze vsechen ten PHP kod se musi zprovoznit na serveru ronja.twibright.com. Toto je poprve co se uvolnuje tak velky kus "kodu" ;-) To minimize people waiting for the files to be uploaded, I have put up the file that is being sent to the manufacturer. Sending a PCB to manufacturer is what is being done first because the manufacture takes long time. Aby se minimalizovalo zdrzeni ktere by to uzivatelum mohlo zpusobit, uploadnul jsem prednostne soubor, ktery se posila vyrobci tistaku. Poslanim souboru vyrobci se zacina protoze vyroba tistaku trva nejdele. http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.zip The instructions for manufacturer are in the file README Instrukce pro vyrobce jsou v souboru README.CZ Cl< From xkutale1 at fi.muni.cz Mon Apr 19 20:09:37 2004 From: xkutale1 at fi.muni.cz (David Kutalek) Date: Mon Apr 19 20:10:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Releasing Twister / Uvolnovani Twistera In-Reply-To: <20040419185257.A28197@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040419185257.A28197@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <408423F1.3010001@fi.muni.cz> Ahoj, muzes prosim jeste napsat, u ktereho vyrobce jsi to zadaval k vyrobe ty? Kuty >Aby se minimalizovalo zdrzeni ktere by to uzivatelum mohlo zpusobit, >uploadnul jsem prednostne soubor, ktery se posila vyrobci tistaku. >Poslanim souboru vyrobci se zacina protoze vyroba tistaku trva nejdele. > > > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Apr 19 20:20:50 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Apr 19 20:22:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Releasing Twister / Uvolnovani Twistera References: <20040419185257.A28197@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c42643$6d6c87b0$0103450a@thechosen> huraaaa, slava ti, jen me mrzi se to nase zdruzeni nezvladlo zatim zorganozovat a odhlasovat prispevek :( snad prosadim aby jsme neco poslai jeste, at mas na pivo nebo co pijes :) nebo na vyvoj neceho jineho. jdu zkoumat ten zip .) > Hello > > Ahoj > > The circle is closing. Thanks to all for sending their financial gifts. > I am pleased to announce that the said contributions have reached said > amount and Twister is being released. > > Kruh se uzavira. Diky vsem za jejich financni dary. Je mi potesenim oznamit, > ze soucet techto daru dosahl recene vyse a Twister se muze uvolnovat. > > The release will last some time because all the PHP code has to be made > to work on the ronja server. This is the first time something like that > is being done (a one-time release of a big piece of "code" ;-) ). > > Uvolneni bude nejakou chvilku trvat protoze vsechen ten PHP kod se musi > zprovoznit na serveru ronja.twibright.com. Toto je poprve co se uvolnuje > tak velky kus "kodu" ;-) > > To minimize people waiting for the files to be uploaded, I have put > up the file that is being sent to the manufacturer. Sending a PCB > to manufacturer is what is being done first because the manufacture > takes long time. > > Aby se minimalizovalo zdrzeni ktere by to uzivatelum mohlo zpusobit, > uploadnul jsem prednostne soubor, ktery se posila vyrobci tistaku. > Poslanim souboru vyrobci se zacina protoze vyroba tistaku trva nejdele. > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.zip > > The instructions for manufacturer are in the file README > > Instrukce pro vyrobce jsou v souboru README.CZ > > Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 19 20:27:12 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 19 20:28:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovani Message-ID: <20040419192712.A28340@beton.cybernet.src> Nevite prosimvas nekdo jak se rekne anglicky osazovani desky s PLS? CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 19 20:27:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 19 20:28:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Releasing Twister / Uvolnovani Twistera In-Reply-To: <408423F1.3010001@fi.muni.cz>; from xkutale1@fi.muni.cz on Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 09:09:37PM +0200 References: <20040419185257.A28197@beton.cybernet.src> <408423F1.3010001@fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: <20040419192726.B28340@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 09:09:37PM +0200, David Kutalek wrote: > Ahoj, > > muzes prosim jeste napsat, u ktereho vyrobce jsi to zadaval k vyrobe ty? Pragoboard. Cl< > > Kuty > > >Aby se minimalizovalo zdrzeni ktere by to uzivatelum mohlo zpusobit, > >uploadnul jsem prednostne soubor, ktery se posila vyrobci tistaku. > >Poslanim souboru vyrobci se zacina protoze vyroba tistaku trva nejdele. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Mon Apr 19 20:38:59 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Mon Apr 19 20:40:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovani References: <20040419192712.A28340@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000b01c42645$f646f1e0$0103450a@thechosen> PCB assembling ? > Nevite prosimvas nekdo jak se rekne anglicky osazovani desky s PLS? > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Apr 19 20:50:40 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Apr 19 20:52:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] osazovani In-Reply-To: <20040419192712.A28340@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040419192712.A28340@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404192150.40668.ladmanj@volny.cz> Osazovani je populating. napr. unpopulated = neosazen? Jakub On Monday 19 of April 2004 21:27, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Nevite prosimvas nekdo jak se rekne anglicky osazovani desky s PLS? > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Mon Apr 19 21:36:04 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Mon Apr 19 21:37:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka Message-ID: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> Ahoj, zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, aby nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil individualne a hromadne. Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. pro informaci cenik najdete zde: http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm Kneza kneza@poupe.net From boza2 at volny.cz Mon Apr 19 22:31:09 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Apr 19 22:33:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> Message-ID: <1833368365.20040419233109@volny.cz> Ahoj, pokud mam verit tomu ceniku (bacha, je bez DPH) a s tim ze Twister je mensi nez 1dm, tak pokud bys objednaval celkem 13ks a vice, tak mam o 2ks zavazny zajem. Pokud budes objednavat mene ks. tak bych prosil o doplnujici dotaz mailem, ve kterem bude stanovena cena/ks. Diky Ondra MK> Ahoj, MK> zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, aby MK> nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. MK> Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil MK> individualne a hromadne. MK> Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. MK> pro informaci cenik najdete zde: MK> http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm MK> Kneza MK> kneza@poupe.net MK> _______________________________________________ MK> Ronja mailing list MK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Mon Apr 19 22:36:40 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Mon Apr 19 22:37:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <1833368365.20040419233109@volny.cz> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> <1833368365.20040419233109@volny.cz> Message-ID: <40844668.20807@poupe.net> Ahoj, mam v planu objednavat cca 50ks ;-) az od firmy obdrzim cenovou kalkulaci na miru pro ruzne vysoke pocty tak to postnu. Ocekavam, ze behem zitrka. zatim si te pisu na list s 2ks Kneza Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj, > pokud mam verit tomu ceniku (bacha, je bez DPH) a s tim ze Twister je > mensi nez 1dm, tak pokud bys objednaval celkem 13ks a vice, tak mam o > 2ks zavazny zajem. Pokud budes objednavat mene ks. tak bych prosil o > doplnujici dotaz mailem, ve kterem bude stanovena cena/ks. > > Diky Ondra > > MK> Ahoj, > MK> zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, aby > MK> nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. > MK> Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil > MK> individualne a hromadne. > MK> Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. > > MK> pro informaci cenik najdete zde: > MK> http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm > > MK> Kneza > MK> kneza@poupe.net From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Apr 19 22:45:31 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Apr 19 22:46:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <40844668.20807@poupe.net> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> <1833368365.20040419233109@volny.cz> <40844668.20807@poupe.net> Message-ID: <200404192345.31689.ladmanj@volny.cz> Ja bych prosil taky zatim 2ks Jakub Ladman On Monday 19 of April 2004 23:36, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Ahoj, > mam v planu objednavat cca 50ks ;-) az od firmy obdrzim cenovou > kalkulaci na miru pro ruzne vysoke pocty tak to postnu. Ocekavam, ze > behem zitrka. > > zatim si te pisu na list s 2ks > > Kneza > > Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > Ahoj, > > pokud mam verit tomu ceniku (bacha, je bez DPH) a s tim ze Twister je > > mensi nez 1dm, tak pokud bys objednaval celkem 13ks a vice, tak mam o > > 2ks zavazny zajem. Pokud budes objednavat mene ks. tak bych prosil o > > doplnujici dotaz mailem, ve kterem bude stanovena cena/ks. > > > > Diky Ondra > > > > MK> Ahoj, > > MK> zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, > > aby MK> nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. > > MK> Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil MK> > > individualne a hromadne. > > MK> Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. > > > > MK> pro informaci cenik najdete zde: > > MK> http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm > > > > MK> Kneza > > MK> kneza@poupe.net > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From macros at fear.cz Mon Apr 19 23:27:11 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (macros) Date: Mon Apr 19 23:31:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <200404192345.31689.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> <1833368365.20040419233109@volny.cz> <40844668.20807@poupe.net> <200404192345.31689.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4084523F.1020900@fear.cz> Tak ja zatim tak treba 14kusu macros Jakub Ladman wrote: > Ja bych prosil taky zatim 2ks > Jakub Ladman > > On Monday 19 of April 2004 23:36, Michal Knezourek wrote: > >>Ahoj, >>mam v planu objednavat cca 50ks ;-) az od firmy obdrzim cenovou >>kalkulaci na miru pro ruzne vysoke pocty tak to postnu. Ocekavam, ze >>behem zitrka. >> >>zatim si te pisu na list s 2ks >> >>Kneza >> >>Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> >>>Ahoj, >>>pokud mam verit tomu ceniku (bacha, je bez DPH) a s tim ze Twister je >>>mensi nez 1dm, tak pokud bys objednaval celkem 13ks a vice, tak mam o >>>2ks zavazny zajem. Pokud budes objednavat mene ks. tak bych prosil o >>>doplnujici dotaz mailem, ve kterem bude stanovena cena/ks. >>> >>>Diky Ondra >>> >>>MK> Ahoj, >>>MK> zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, >>>aby MK> nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. >>>MK> Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil MK> >>>individualne a hromadne. >>>MK> Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. >>> >>>MK> pro informaci cenik najdete zde: >>>MK> http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm >>> >>>MK> Kneza >>>MK> kneza@poupe.net From honza.havlicek at seznam.cz Mon Apr 19 23:38:25 2004 From: honza.havlicek at seznam.cz (Kero) Date: Mon Apr 19 23:40:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> Message-ID: <408454E1.20700@seznam.cz> Ahojky, prosil bych 2 ks. Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > Ahoj, > zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, aby > nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. > Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil > individualne a hromadne. > Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. > > pro informaci cenik najdete zde: > http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm > > Kneza > kneza@poupe.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From xkutale1 at fi.muni.cz Mon Apr 19 23:48:29 2004 From: xkutale1 at fi.muni.cz (David Kutalek) Date: Mon Apr 19 23:49:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> Message-ID: <4084573D.8010007@fi.muni.cz> Pro mne take 2 kusy. Kuty Michal Knezourek wrote: > Ahoj, > zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, aby > nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. > Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil > individualne a hromadne. > Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. > > pro informaci cenik najdete zde: > http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm > > Kneza > kneza@poupe.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jakub at lysafree.net Tue Apr 20 05:01:48 2004 From: jakub at lysafree.net (Jakub Nedoma) Date: Tue Apr 20 05:00:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <40844668.20807@poupe.net> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> <1833368365.20040419233109@volny.cz> <40844668.20807@poupe.net> Message-ID: <1851980687.20040420060148@lysafree.net> Ahoj, pokud to bude za rozumnou cenu ca pod 150 Kč / kus, tak bys si taky vzal 2 kousky. Předem dík. S pozdravem, Jakub Nedoma mailto:jakub@lysafree.net Monday, April 19, 2004, 11:36:40 PM Michal napsal: MK> Ahoj, MK> mam v planu objednavat cca 50ks ;-) az od firmy obdrzim cenovou MK> kalkulaci na miru pro ruzne vysoke pocty tak to postnu. Ocekavam, ze MK> behem zitrka. MK> zatim si te pisu na list s 2ks MK> Kneza MK> Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> Ahoj, >> pokud mam verit tomu ceniku (bacha, je bez DPH) a s tim ze Twister je >> mensi nez 1dm, tak pokud bys objednaval celkem 13ks a vice, tak mam o >> 2ks zavazny zajem. Pokud budes objednavat mene ks. tak bych prosil o >> doplnujici dotaz mailem, ve kterem bude stanovena cena/ks. >> >> Diky Ondra >> >> MK> Ahoj, >> MK> zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, aby >> MK> nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. >> MK> Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil >> MK> individualne a hromadne. >> MK> Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. >> >> MK> pro informaci cenik najdete zde: >> MK> http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm >> >> MK> Kneza >> MK> kneza@poupe.net MK> _______________________________________________ MK> Ronja mailing list MK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja ------------------------------------------- From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Tue Apr 20 05:57:48 2004 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Tue Apr 20 05:58:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB3241E2@vestex01.vest.corp> Taky beru 2 ks. Ale potreboval bych je poslat dobirkou... Dik -- Kosac > -----Original Message----- > From: Michal Knezourek [mailto:kneza@poupe.net] > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:36 PM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka > > > Ahoj, > zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi > tistaku, aby > nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou > obrovske. Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam > bych resil > individualne a hromadne. > Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. > > pro informaci cenik najdete zde: > http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm > > Kneza > kneza@poupe.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kneza at poupe.net Tue Apr 20 08:20:04 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Tue Apr 20 08:19:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka - status Message-ID: <4084CF24.8020300@poupe.net> Takze to vypada ze jich budu brat 100ks ;-) takze cena bude asi naprosto uzasna ;-) jakmile budu mit presnou cenovou kalkulaci tak vsem rozeslu info. Kneza From jan.martinu at post.cz Tue Apr 20 09:44:39 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (=?UTF-8?B?SmFuIE1hcnRpbsWv?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 09:44:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka - status In-Reply-To: <4084CF24.8020300@poupe.net> References: <4084CF24.8020300@poupe.net> Message-ID: <4084E2F7.8010604@post.cz> Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > Takze to vypada ze jich budu brat 100ks ;-) takze cena bude asi > naprosto uzasna ;-) > > jakmile budu mit presnou cenovou kalkulaci tak vsem rozeslu info. > > Kneza > > Dal bych 6 kusu, jestli by to jeste slo. From alexandre at vcs.com.br Tue Apr 20 09:52:17 2004 From: alexandre at vcs.com.br (alexandre@vcs.com.br) Date: Tue Apr 20 09:52:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja inside Brazil References: <20040419185257.A28197@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <005e01c410b9$389b1be0$0200a8c0@ale> Waw!! (in portuguese): Os 800 reais de doa?oes que restavam para o projeto Ronja foram doados e hoje o esquem?tico da interface Twister foi liberado!!!! Agora sim eu posso mont?-lo para utilizar com as minhas placas e HUB padr?o Twisted Pair (TP,RJ45). Lembre-se desta data: 19 de abril de 2004. Para alguns apenas o Dia do ?ndio, para mim o dia em que o Ronja entra no Brasil. http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.zip (English) The money was donated and today (19/04/04) the Twister schem was relased!!! Now I will can to build my Ronja too and to use with my NICs and HUBs "TP type". To brazilians: Remember of this date: 19/04/04, in Brazil its the Indian`s Day, to me its the day of Ronja inside the Brazil. (sorry my poor english) I have to learn Czech language too :-) Tomorrow I have downloaded the CESNET presentation Video from "wpeople" mirror, but the video its 100% in Czech language. Please, if someone than understand Czech and English, please, create a subtitle from this video (avi 1.3Gb version). After the translation to english I will can to translate to portuguese (Brazil) and, if possible, to present this video in Install Fest and GNU events here. My objetive its find more Ronja users here, between brazilian linuxers and nerds :-) A question: Do u know if the Twister interface use the same components of Silvije`s TP interface? Its because I have all Ronja`s components (to receiver, transmitter and the crazy Silvije`s interface). Congratulations to Clock and all Ronja people. Thanks, >From south of Brazil, Alexandre Hoffmann Ventura 20/04/04 alexandre@vcs.com.br ICQ : 30090722 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: [Ronja] Releasing Twister / Uvolnovani Twistera > Hello > > Ahoj > > The circle is closing. Thanks to all for sending their financial gifts. > I am pleased to announce that the said contributions have reached said > amount and Twister is being released. > > Kruh se uzavira. Diky vsem za jejich financni dary. Je mi potesenim oznamit, > ze soucet techto daru dosahl recene vyse a Twister se muze uvolnovat. > > The release will last some time because all the PHP code has to be made > to work on the ronja server. This is the first time something like that > is being done (a one-time release of a big piece of "code" ;-) ). > > Uvolneni bude nejakou chvilku trvat protoze vsechen ten PHP kod se musi > zprovoznit na serveru ronja.twibright.com. Toto je poprve co se uvolnuje > tak velky kus "kodu" ;-) > > To minimize people waiting for the files to be uploaded, I have put > up the file that is being sent to the manufacturer. Sending a PCB > to manufacturer is what is being done first because the manufacture > takes long time. > > Aby se minimalizovalo zdrzeni ktere by to uzivatelum mohlo zpusobit, > uploadnul jsem prednostne soubor, ktery se posila vyrobci tistaku. > Poslanim souboru vyrobci se zacina protoze vyroba tistaku trva nejdele. > > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/twister.zip > > The instructions for manufacturer are in the file README > > Instrukce pro vyrobce jsou v souboru README.CZ > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From kutilb at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 09:55:11 2004 From: kutilb at seznam.cz (B.K.) Date: Tue Apr 20 09:55:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka Message-ID: <4084E56F.6090304@seznam.cz> Jestli bych mohl poprosit o dva kusy thx From schum at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 10:04:02 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 10:07:17 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Twister=20PCBs=20=2D=20hromadna=20objednavka?= In-Reply-To: <4084E56F.6090304@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <804745.4330688-14054-1525504691-1082451842@seznam.cz> Ahoj prosim take o dva kousky dik mirek From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 20 11:31:58 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Apr 20 11:31:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu Message-ID: <4085183E.6221.1E73E8@localhost> S jak dlouhym UTP kabelem funguje TWISTER? From honza at hoidekr.net Tue Apr 20 11:52:30 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (honza@hoidekr.net) Date: Tue Apr 20 11:53:15 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?[Ronja]=A0Twister=A0PCBs=A0-=A0hromadna=A0objednavka=A0-?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?=A0status?= In-Reply-To: <4084CF24.8020300@poupe.net> References: <4084CF24.8020300@poupe.net> Message-ID: <54923.147.228.47.49.1082458350.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Vzal bych si 2 kusy, pokud to jeste jde. Prevezmu po domluve osobne v Praze. Honza Hoidekr > Takze to vypada ze jich budu brat 100ks ;-) takze cena bude asi naprosto > uzasna ;-) > > jakmile budu mit presnou cenovou kalkulaci tak vsem rozeslu info. > > Kneza > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 12:06:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 12:06:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <4085183E.6221.1E73E8@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 12:31:58PM +0200 References: <4085183E.6221.1E73E8@localhost> Message-ID: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 12:31:58PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > S jak dlouhym UTP kabelem funguje TWISTER? Ma to 1-metrovy kabel pridelany k sobe stejne jako AUI, ktery se strci do sitovky. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hollari1 at gmx.at Tue Apr 20 12:36:58 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Tue Apr 20 12:37:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister References: Message-ID: <10351.1082461018@www25.gmx.net> Hi Clock ! Can i also use the "old" AUI-Ronja at one End, and Twister at the other ? Regards, Sigi -- NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgebühr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 12:37:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 12:37:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister In-Reply-To: <10351.1082461018@www25.gmx.net>; from hollari1@gmx.at on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:36:58PM +0200 References: <10351.1082461018@www25.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20040420113753.A23729@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:36:58PM +0200, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > Hi Clock ! > > Can i also use the "old" AUI-Ronja at one > End, and Twister at the other ? Yes, of course. It was even the way the prototype was tested :) Cl< > > Regards, Sigi > > -- > NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL > Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgeb?hr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From schum at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 12:32:13 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 13:03:34 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Delka=20UTP=20kabelu?= In-Reply-To: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu Datum (Date): 20. 4. 2004 13:06 ================================================== > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 12:31:58PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > S jak dlouhym UTP kabelem funguje TWISTER? > > Ma to 1-metrovy kabel pridelany k sobe stejne jako AUI, ktery se strci > do sitovky. > > Cl< Zeptam se tedy jinak, funguje twister s 50m UTP kabelu ? ____________________________________________________________ Jak m??e b?t perfektn? SIEMENS C62 je?t? pefektn?j??? Co t?eba takhle - SIEMENS C62 za 977,- K?. www.oskar.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73597§ion=/ From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 13:14:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 13:14:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz>; from schum@seznam.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:32:13PM +0200 References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src> <836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:32:13PM +0200, schumann miroslav wrote: > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > Datum (Date): 20. 4. 2004 13:06 > ================================================== > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 12:31:58PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > > S jak dlouhym UTP kabelem funguje TWISTER? > > > > Ma to 1-metrovy kabel pridelany k sobe stejne jako AUI, ktery se strci > > do sitovky. > > > > Cl< > > > Zeptam se tedy jinak, funguje twister s 50m UTP kabelu ? Neni na to zamysleny. Fungovat to asi bude, ale bude to vyzarovat jako prase, protoze v tom nejsou zadne filtry. A mozna bude snizeny dosah. Tech 50m kabelu by se muselo pripojit pres takovy ten female-female adapter. Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Tue Apr 20 13:45:47 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (kneza@poupe.net) Date: Tue Apr 20 13:45:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja PCBs Message-ID: <1082465147.40851b7b59870@webmail.poupe.net> Mam tu predbeznou kalkulaci... jsem v praci takze jen zbezne nepropocitane vyjde jeden tistak na cca 100Kc Jen pro info kdyby ho clovek koupil samostatnej jeden tak ho vyjde na 296Kc + 1000Kc film. Zajemci piste do vecera/zitra rana... objedavku zavaznou odeslu dnes v noci/zitra rano. Kneza ------------------------------------------------ Poupe.Net - Internet Services of new generation! From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Apr 20 13:51:00 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 13:51:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> Message-ID: <40851CB4.3030800@sattnet.cz> Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > Ahoj, > zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, aby > nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. > Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil > individualne a hromadne. > Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. > > pro informaci cenik najdete zde: > http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm > > Kneza > kneza@poupe.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > Ahoj, mam zajem o 1ks. Takze se mnou pocitej. Jsem ze Zdaru nad Sazavou. Matka pracuje v Praze na ministerstvu informatiky, je to pobliz nejakeho stadionu kousek od hlavaku. Lepsi by byla samozrejme posta. Dik! From salac at certicon.cz Tue Apr 20 13:52:22 2004 From: salac at certicon.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Martin_Sala=E8?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 13:52:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> Message-ID: <40851D06.9060302@certicon.cz> Cau Ja bych si vzal taky 2 kousky. Zdravi Martin From maco at host.sk Tue Apr 20 13:53:18 2004 From: maco at host.sk (Marcel Hecko) Date: Tue Apr 20 14:00:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja PCBs In-Reply-To: <1082465147.40851b7b59870@webmail.poupe.net> References: <1082465147.40851b7b59870@webmail.poupe.net> Message-ID: <40851D3E.4080007@host.sk> cau, zobal by som tiez dva kusky potom by som potreboval poslat na dobierku do brna alebo rovno do Bratislavy diki maco kneza@poupe.net wrote: >Mam tu predbeznou kalkulaci... >jsem v praci takze jen zbezne nepropocitane vyjde jeden tistak na cca 100Kc >Jen pro info kdyby ho clovek koupil samostatnej jeden tak ho vyjde na 296Kc + >1000Kc film. > >Zajemci piste do vecera/zitra rana... >objedavku zavaznou odeslu dnes v noci/zitra rano. > >Kneza > > > >------------------------------------------------ >Poupe.Net - Internet Services of new generation! > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >__________ NOD32 1.725 (20040420) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.nod32.com > > > > > From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Apr 20 14:13:49 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Apr 20 14:13:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src> <836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz> <20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404201513.49321.ladmanj@volny.cz> Neni tam filtr? Mohu se zeptat co k tomu vedlo? Jakub On Tuesday 20 of April 2004 14:14, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:32:13PM +0200, schumann miroslav wrote: > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > > Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" > > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > > Kopie (Cc): > > P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > > Datum (Date): 20. 4. 2004 13:06 > > ================================================== > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 12:31:58PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > > > S jak dlouhym UTP kabelem funguje TWISTER? > > > > > > Ma to 1-metrovy kabel pridelany k sobe stejne jako AUI, ktery se strci > > > do sitovky. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > Zeptam se tedy jinak, funguje twister s 50m UTP kabelu ? > > Neni na to zamysleny. Fungovat to asi bude, ale bude to vyzarovat jako > prase, protoze v tom nejsou zadne filtry. A mozna bude snizeny dosah. Tech > 50m kabelu by se muselo pripojit pres takovy ten female-female adapter. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 14:23:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 14:23:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <200404201513.49321.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 03:13:49PM +0200 References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src> <836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz> <20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src> <200404201513.49321.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040420132332.B23867@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 03:13:49PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Neni tam filtr? > Mohu se zeptat co k tomu vedlo? Ze neni rozumne sehnatelny v kusovem mnoztsvi. Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 15:04:08 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 15:04:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src><836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz><20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src><200404201513.49321.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040420132332.B23867@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003301c426e0$59417b90$0103450a@thechosen> hmmm, no a zkousel jsi to treba s 30m kabelem aspon? ja bych nerad stavel neco co mi nebude fungovat, protoze utp na metr to si muzu rovnou postavit AUI :) > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 03:13:49PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Neni tam filtr? > > Mohu se zeptat co k tomu vedlo? > > Ze neni rozumne sehnatelny v kusovem mnoztsvi. > > Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 15:17:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 15:17:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <003301c426e0$59417b90$0103450a@thechosen>; from m.malusek@seznam.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:04:08PM +0200 References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src><836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz><20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src><200404201513.49321.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040420132332.B23867@beton.cybernet.src> <003301c426e0$59417b90$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040420141721.B23918@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:04:08PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > hmmm, no a zkousel jsi to treba s 30m kabelem aspon? ja bych nerad stavel Ne, nezkousel. Cl< > neco co mi nebude fungovat, protoze utp na metr to si muzu rovnou postavit > AUI :) From polous at katka.biz Tue Apr 20 15:29:38 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Apr 20 15:29:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src><836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz><20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src><200404201513.49321.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040420132332.B23867@beton.cybernet.src><003301c426e0$59417b90$0103450a@thechosen> <20040420141721.B23918@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003c01c426e3$ec447e80$5145150a@wandering.repy.czf> a zkouset budes ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:04:08PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > > hmmm, no a zkousel jsi to treba s 30m kabelem aspon? ja bych nerad stavel > > Ne, nezkousel. > > Cl< > > neco co mi nebude fungovat, protoze utp na metr to si muzu rovnou postavit > > AUI :) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 15:32:19 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 15:32:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src><836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz><20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src><200404201513.49321.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040420132332.B23867@beton.cybernet.src> <003301c426e0$59417b90$0103450a@thechosen> <40852F9B.3070404@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <000e01c426e4$4942a580$0103450a@thechosen> no ne :) ale nedat tam neco co omezi pouziti jen kvuli tomu ze se to blbe shani neni podke me nejlepsi, uz jen z duvodu ze naprikald vysilaci ledka sehnat jde take jen po snad 60 kusech. naprikad ja ty filtry sehnal celkem ok, ikdyz sem je vyrezal ze sitovek, nez ty ledky, ktere sme nesehnal :) to Clock: a nemohl by jsi to pls zkusit? myslim ze nejsem sam koho by to zajimalo jestli to funguje >Zajimava myslenka :-) . Je to fakt, ale vyjde nastejno stavet Forte, nebo Twister... From kneza at poupe.net Tue Apr 20 15:52:16 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Tue Apr 20 15:51:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja PCBs - liche pocty ;-) Message-ID: <40853920.8050305@poupe.net> Lidicky.. jedna vec ;-) proc mi tu nekdo pisete, ze chcete jeden kus? to opravdu chcete jen na jednu stranu spoje? nezapominejme ze 1 twister = 1 strana spoje ;-) kdo udelal chybku v poctech at napise za vcasu ;-) Kneza From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 16:12:39 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 16:12:47 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Ronja=20PCBs=20=2D=20liche=20pocty=20=3B=2D=29?= In-Reply-To: <40853920.8050305@poupe.net> Message-ID: <859908.4575145-18607-419305151-1082473958@seznam.cz> ne, moje tri kusy zustavaji ;) Ja vzdycky radeji delam o jeden kus navic. delam jeden spoj, ale rezervni twister se vzdycky muze hodit ;) ____________________________________________________________ Nov? MP3 autor?dio Sony CDX-3300 + 20 CD-R za 6990,- K?. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73500§ion=/ From bratrk at centrum.cz Tue Apr 20 16:13:19 2004 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Tue Apr 20 16:19:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> Message-ID: <002c01c426ea$d84b6900$020a210a@marekbk> Dal bych si zdovolenim 8 ks tistaku. Zdravi bratrk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka > Ahoj, > zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, aby > nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. > Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil > individualne a hromadne. > Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. > > pro informaci cenik najdete zde: > http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm > > Kneza > kneza@poupe.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From kneza at poupe.net Tue Apr 20 16:22:28 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Tue Apr 20 16:22:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <002c01c426ea$d84b6900$020a210a@marekbk> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> <002c01c426ea$d84b6900$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <40854034.6050402@poupe.net> ok, pocitam s tebou.. Dnes v noci/zitra rano vsem rozeslu mail s informaci o objednanem poctu. Dam vedet az to poslu. Kdyby napriklad nekomu neprisel nebo tak, ale ted jsem vse kontroloval 2x takze by mi DB mela sedet. Kneza bratrk wrote: > Dal bych si zdovolenim 8 ks tistaku. > > Zdravi > bratrk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Knezourek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:36 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka > > > >>Ahoj, >>zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, aby >>nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. >>Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil >>individualne a hromadne. >>Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. >> >>pro informaci cenik najdete zde: >>http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm >> >>Kneza >>kneza@poupe.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 16:22:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 16:22:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <003c01c426e3$ec447e80$5145150a@wandering.repy.czf>; from polous@katka.biz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:29:38PM +0200 References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src><836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz><20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src><200404201513.49321.ladmanj@volny.cz><20040420132332.B23867@beton.cybernet.src><003301c426e0$59417b90$0103450a@thechosen> <20040420141721.B23918@beton.cybernet.src> <003c01c426e3$ec447e80$5145150a@wandering.repy.czf> Message-ID: <20040420152244.A23993@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:29:38PM +0200, Martin Polehla wrote: > a zkouset budes ? Ne. Cl< > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:04:08PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > > > hmmm, no a zkousel jsi to treba s 30m kabelem aspon? ja bych nerad > stavel > > > > Ne, nezkousel. > > > > Cl< > > > neco co mi nebude fungovat, protoze utp na metr to si muzu rovnou > postavit > > > AUI :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Apr 20 16:26:01 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 16:26:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> Message-ID: <40854109.2090108@sattnet.cz> Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > Ahoj, > zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, aby > nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. > Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil > individualne a hromadne. > Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. > > pro informaci cenik najdete zde: > http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm > > Kneza > kneza@poupe.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > Edituji obejdnavku - namisto 2ks, jen 1ks. Diky za pochopeni. From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 16:27:25 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 16:27:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Mast Console material In-Reply-To: <20040420141132Z313013-819+247573@mail2.centrum.cz>; from pj0@centrum.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:11:28PM +0200 References: <20040420141132Z313013-819+247573@mail2.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040420152725.A24012@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:11:28PM +0200, Petr Janecek wrote: > Ahoj, > na http://ronja.twibright.com/console/mast/material.php > je uvedeno > > 2 pcs. 260mm of 50mmx38mm rolled steel U section (DIN 1026, ?SN 42 5570) Diky za bugreport, opravil jsem to. Cl< > > - nestaci nahodou jenom 1pc? Nebo, na co je ten druhy kus? > > > Petr > > -------------------- > VYZKOU?EJTE ADSL od TISCALI! Vyu?ijte zku?ebn? doby 30 dn?! V?ce na http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://sluzby.tiscali.cz/broadband/adsl/adsl14.php > > > From kneza at poupe.net Tue Apr 20 16:31:57 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Tue Apr 20 16:31:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <40854109.2090108@sattnet.cz> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> <40854109.2090108@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <4085426D.4030908@poupe.net> vzdyt jsi chtel 1ks od zacatku ;-) Kneza David Sedl??ek wrote: > Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > >> Ahoj, >> zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, aby >> nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. >> Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil >> individualne a hromadne. >> Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. >> >> pro informaci cenik najdete zde: >> http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm >> >> Kneza >> kneza@poupe.net > > Edituji obejdnavku - namisto 2ks, jen 1ks. Diky za pochopeni. > From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Tue Apr 20 16:35:41 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 16:35:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <4085426D.4030908@poupe.net> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> <40854109.2090108@sattnet.cz> <4085426D.4030908@poupe.net> Message-ID: <4085434D.1090800@sattnet.cz> Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > vzdyt jsi chtel 1ks od zacatku ;-) > > Kneza > > > David Sedl????ek wrote: > >> Michal Knezourek napsal(a): >> >>> Ahoj, >>> zitra mam v planu objednat od pragoboardu velkem mnozstvi tistaku, >>> aby nas to vyslo co nejlevneji, neb mnozstevni slevy jsou obrovske. >>> Byly by pote k dispozici v praze - zasilani nekam bych resil >>> individualne a hromadne. >>> Kdo by jste mel zajem tak mi dejte vedet na mail kolik cca kusu. >>> >>> pro informaci cenik najdete zde: >>> http://www.pragoboard.cz/czech/ceniky_jedno_dvou.htm >>> >>> Kneza >>> kneza@poupe.net >> >> >> Edituji obejdnavku - namisto 2ks, jen 1ks. Diky za pochopeni. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > Uz toho mam moc :-) . Mistake From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Apr 20 17:02:08 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Apr 20 17:03:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LEDky - nabizim Message-ID: <1682827417.20040420180208@volny.cz> Zdravim, pokud by nekdo mel zajem o HPWT-BD00-E4000, tak nabizim. Cena asi 25Kc/ks, upresnim az je budu mit v ruce, coz by melo byt zitra. Jsem z Prahy. Zajemci piste prosim primo na muj mail, at nezatezujeme konferenci. -- S pozdravem, OndrejT boza2@volny.cz From jakub at lysafree.net Tue Apr 20 17:49:20 2004 From: jakub at lysafree.net (Jakub Nedoma) Date: Tue Apr 20 17:47:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <40854034.6050402@poupe.net> References: <40843834.5050109@poupe.net> <002c01c426ea$d84b6900$020a210a@marekbk> <40854034.6050402@poupe.net> Message-ID: <1010005796.20040420184920@lysafree.net> Ahoj, chtěl bych editovat svou objednávku na plošňáky Twistera. Místo 2 ks bych si vzal 4 ks... S pozdravem, Jakub Nedoma mailto:jakub@lysafree.net From pitnavoda at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 18:02:00 2004 From: pitnavoda at seznam.cz (vodicka) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:02:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <4084CF24.8020300@poupe.net> References: <4084CF24.8020300@poupe.net> Message-ID: <1082480519.2955.2.camel@compadoq> To: Michal Zavazne se pripojuji k hromadne objednavce a vezmu si 4x PCB TWISTER. DIky predem! Vodicka V ?t, 20. 04. 2004 v 09:20, Michal Knezourek p??e: > Takze to vypada ze jich budu brat 100ks ;-) takze cena bude asi naprosto > uzasna ;-) > > jakmile budu mit presnou cenovou kalkulaci tak vsem rozeslu info. > > Kneza > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From pitnavoda at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 18:11:55 2004 From: pitnavoda at seznam.cz (vodicka) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:11:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister PCBs - hromadna objednavka - OMLUVA In-Reply-To: <4084CF24.8020300@poupe.net> References: <4084CF24.8020300@poupe.net> Message-ID: <1082481114.2955.8.camel@compadoq> To: Michal Zavazne DEMENTUJI SVOJI OBJEDNAVKU STAROU 10MINUT!!! [4x PCB TWISTER] Doslo k omylu, ty 4ri kusy jiz rano (udajne v 7.45hod) objednal muj kamarad. - TUDIZ MOJE OBJEDNAVKA JE NEPLATNA DIky!!! A MOC SE OMLOUVAM ZA KOMPLIKACI Vodicka V ?t, 20. 04. 2004 v 09:20, Michal Knezourek p??e: > Takze to vypada ze jich budu brat 100ks ;-) takze cena bude asi naprosto > uzasna ;-) > > jakmile budu mit presnou cenovou kalkulaci tak vsem rozeslu info. > > Kneza > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 20 18:21:03 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:20:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <003c01c426e3$ec447e80$5145150a@wandering.repy.czf> Message-ID: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost> Melo by to fungovat do cca 20ti metru. Skoro presne takhle jsem to mel zapojeno pred rokem a byly s tim problemy. Jen misto R60/61 bylo 30 a misto R65/66 bylo 20 ohmu. Kondenzatory C85/86 by taky mohly byt vetsi, takhle neni dodrzeno impedancni prizpusobeni, coz ale u 1m kabelu nevadi. On 20 Apr 2004 at 16:29, Martin Polehla wrote: > a zkouset budes ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:04:08PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > > > hmmm, no a zkousel jsi to treba s 30m kabelem aspon? ja bych nerad > stavel > > > > Ne, nezkousel. > > > > Cl< > > > neco co mi nebude fungovat, protoze utp na metr to si muzu rovnou > postavit > > > AUI :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Apr 20 18:25:52 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:26:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src><836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz> <20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <007b01c426fc$88473a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Hmm, TP iface m? fungovat dle normy na 105 metr? p?i pou?it? UTP kategorie 5. ?e jsi to nezkou?el na v?ce metrech, min. t?ch 20-50, pova?uji za trochu v?t?? chybu. Od toho to je TP iface, aby to mohlo b?t d?l ne? AUI, ne kv?li tomu, ?e nejsou s??ovky nebo se blb? konfiguruj?. Pros?m tedy tebe nebo n?koho, kdo tento TP iface m?, aby tuhle v?c vyzkou?el. Cipis > > Zeptam se tedy jinak, funguje twister s 50m UTP kabelu ? > > Neni na to zamysleny. Fungovat to asi bude, ale bude to vyzarovat jako prase, > protoze v tom nejsou zadne filtry. A mozna bude snizeny dosah. Tech 50m kabelu > by se muselo pripojit pres takovy ten female-female adapter. > > Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 18:27:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:27:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:21:03PM +0200 References: <003c01c426e3$ec447e80$5145150a@wandering.repy.czf> <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost> Message-ID: <20040420172711.B24464@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:21:03PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: [...] > Kondenzatory C85/86 by taky mohly byt vetsi, takhle neni dodrzeno > impedancni prizpusobeni, coz ale u 1m kabelu nevadi. Zajimave, jak jste to pocital? Me to vychazi OK. Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 18:26:52 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:28:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost> Message-ID: <000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen> chmmm, mno to by mi melo stacit, doufam, ael stejne by to chtelo testnout :) jinak netusis pri pohledu na schema twistra neslo by to tam nejak dobastlit? zmenit par hodnot, dat filtrik, chmm? >Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > >Melo by to fungovat do cca 20ti metru. >Skoro presne takhle jsem to mel zapojeno pred rokem a byly s tim >problemy. Jen misto R60/61 bylo 30 a misto R65/66 bylo 20 ohmu. >Kondenzatory C85/86 by taky mohly byt vetsi, takhle neni dodrzeno >impedancni prizpusobeni, coz ale u 1m kabelu nevadi. From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 18:33:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:33:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <007b01c426fc$88473a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:25:52PM +0200 References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src><836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz> <20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src> <007b01c426fc$88473a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040420173301.C24464@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:25:52PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > Hmm, TP iface m? fungovat dle normy na 105 metr? p?i pou?it? UTP kategorie > 5. Jak se tohle z normy odvod?? Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 20 18:43:16 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:42:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <20040420172711.B24464@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:21:03PM +0200 Message-ID: <40857D54.9782.223A3E@localhost> Jsem to meril ;-). Dle meho nazoru by tam melo byt 22n, ale s 1m kabelem je to jedno. Delsi bych nedoporucoval - dojde tam ke zkresleni sirky pulsu (zmeni se strida). Tenkrat jsem resil, ze prekmit za LIT pulsem, vygeneroval za RS422 prevodnikem pulsy 2, nekdy i 3. Prave ten treti byl zpusoben odrazem na konci kabelu - nekdy byl, nekdy nebyl. On 20 Apr 2004 at 17:27, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:21:03PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > [...] > > > Kondenzatory C85/86 by taky mohly byt vetsi, takhle neni dodrzeno > > impedancni prizpusobeni, coz ale u 1m kabelu nevadi. > > Zajimave, jak jste to pocital? Me to vychazi OK. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 20 18:47:53 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:47:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <007b01c426fc$88473a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <40857E69.20495.267769@localhost> No AUI /presneji receno MAU - drop unit/ by podle normy melo makat na 50 metrovem kabelu, takze tohle bych neresil. Pokud se to nekomu nelibi at si skusi udelat interface treba s ML6652. On 20 Apr 2004 at 19:25, Cipis wrote: > Hmm, TP iface m? fungovat dle normy na 105 metr p i pou it? UTP kategorie > 5. > > e jsi to nezkou el na v?ce metrech, min. t ch 20-50, pova uji za trochu > v t ? chybu. > Od toho to je TP iface, aby to mohlo b t d?l ne AUI, ne kv li tomu, e > nejsou s? ovky nebo se blb konfiguruj?. > Pros?m tedy tebe nebo n koho, kdo tento TP iface m?, aby tuhle v c > vyzkou el. > > Cipis > > > > > > > Zeptam se tedy jinak, funguje twister s 50m UTP kabelu ? > > > > Neni na to zamysleny. Fungovat to asi bude, ale bude to vyzarovat jako > prase, > > protoze v tom nejsou zadne filtry. A mozna bude snizeny dosah. Tech 50m > kabelu > > by se muselo pripojit pres takovy ten female-female adapter. > > > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 18:54:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 18:54:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen>; from m.malusek@seznam.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:26:52PM +0200 References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost> <000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:26:52PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > chmmm, mno to by mi melo stacit, doufam, ael stejne by to chtelo testnout :) > jinak netusis pri pohledu na schema twistra neslo by to tam nejak dobastlit? > zmenit par hodnot, dat filtrik, chmm? Jestli tou??te po n?jakym enhancovanym Twisteru kterej se m??e d?vat na st?echu a tahat k n?mu TP, tak pros?m, ale nebude to nic jednoduch?ho, krom? p?ekop?n? obvod? na interfacov?n? TP kabelu se bude muset je?t? cel? Twister p?ekopat na to, aby byl specifikovan? na teplotn? rozsah -40...+85 degC. Twister m? rozsah 0...+55 degC. Nem?m nic proti tomu aby se to vyvinulo ale mysl?m ?e prioritou v?t?iny u?ivatel? je 1) nesehnatelnost s??ovek s AUI 2) mo?nost to strkat do switch? 3) ti???k kv?li snadn?mu bastlen? To je to co dle m?ho n?zoru nasazov?n? Ronji brzdilo. A ?e budou rad?i kdy? se ud?l? p?ednostn? n?co co usnadn? zam??ov?n?, prodlou?? vzd?lenost nebo zv??? komunika?n? rychlost, ne? n?co, d?ky ?emu si budou moct svoji krabi?ku p?en?st z pokoje nahoru na st?echu. Ot?zka: kolik stoj? venkovn? st?n?n? TP kabel? Nen? n?hodou dra??? ne? dvojit? koaxi?l? Venkovn? mus? b?t, proto?e oby?ejn? je d?lan? na vnit?n? instalace. St?n?n? mus? b?t proto?e za bou?ky kdy? do toho prskne n?jak? odpadn? v?boj od blesku tak ta elektronika odejde. > >Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > > > > >Melo by to fungovat do cca 20ti metru. > >Skoro presne takhle jsem to mel zapojeno pred rokem a byly s tim > >problemy. Jen misto R60/61 bylo 30 a misto R65/66 bylo 20 ohmu. > >Kondenzatory C85/86 by taky mohly byt vetsi, takhle neni dodrzeno > >impedancni prizpusobeni, coz ale u 1m kabelu nevadi. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Apr 20 19:01:14 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Apr 20 19:01:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src><836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz><20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src><007b01c426fc$88473a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040420173301.C24464@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002501c42701$78907480$5046a8c0@cipis.net> No ?ekl bych z parametr? veden? .... Na koax se uv?d? 185 metr?, ale n?m to jede i na 300 metr? a jelo i na 500 metr? (test), ale polovi?n? rychlost? :-) Mysl?m, ?e toto (d?lka UTP) je pom?rn? dost z?sadn? v?c, kter? m?la b?t zn?ma dop?edu, proto?e ka?d? automaticky p?edpokl?d? d?lku (U)TP kabelu kat. 5 105 metr?. Nap??klad u n?kter?ch POE se uv?d?, ?e je d?lka omezena na 50 metr?. Tak bych tedy navrhoval zam??it se na tento probl?m a doladit to tak, aby to fachalo na aspo? t?ch 50 metr?. M??e? na to t?eba pou??t ty "p?ebyte?n?" pen?ze:-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:25:52PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > Hmm, TP iface m? fungovat dle normy na 105 metr? p?i pou?it? UTP kategorie > > 5. > > Jak se tohle z normy odvod?? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Apr 20 19:10:36 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Apr 20 19:10:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen> <20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002b01c42702$c7a34380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> > Jestli tou??te po n?jakym enhancovanym Twisteru kterej se m??e d?vat na st?echu > a tahat k n?mu TP, tak pros?m, ale nebude to nic jednoduch?ho, krom? p?ekop?n? > obvod? na interfacov?n? TP kabelu se bude muset je?t? cel? Twister p?ekopat na > to, aby byl specifikovan? na teplotn? rozsah -40...+85 degC. Twister > m? rozsah 0...+55 degC. No, nen? probl?m pou??t t?eba military proveden? sou??stek, ale mysl?m, ?e to je zbyte?n?, proto?e i v samotn?m Tx nebo Rx military proveden? nen?. Twister sta?? narvat do plastov? krabi?ky (GEWISS), p??padn? i temperovat. > Nem?m nic proti tomu aby se to vyvinulo ale mysl?m ?e prioritou v?t?iny > u?ivatel? je > 1) nesehnatelnost s??ovek s AUI > 2) mo?nost to strkat do switch? > 3) ti???k kv?li snadn?mu bastlen? > To je to co dle m?ho n?zoru nasazov?n? Ronji brzdilo. 2) st?le brzd? .... > Ot?zka: kolik stoj? venkovn? st?n?n? TP kabel? Nen? n?hodou dra??? ne? dvojit? > koaxi?l? asi deset a? dvacet ka?ek metr, tak?e to je jedno > Venkovn? mus? b?t, proto?e oby?ejn? je d?lan? na vnit?n? instalace. nebo taky oby?. TP (4K?/metr) a monoflex (lep??, odoln? hus? krk) (10K?/metr) > St?n?n? mus? b?t proto?e za bou?ky kdy? do toho prskne n?jak? odpadn? v?boj > od blesku tak ta elektronika odejde. no, mysl?m, ?e to odejde i tak :-) ochrany na TP nejsou tak dobr? jako ochrany na koax Cipis From jkrul at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 19:28:05 2004 From: jkrul at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?Smn47SBLcnVs?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 19:28:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen> <20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <015d01c42705$38fd2350$0414a8c0@pc> > Venkovn? mus? b?t, proto?e oby?ejn? je d?lan? na vnit?n? instalace. Az tak uplne nutne to neni, mame odzkouseny klasicky Belden a po 5 letech na strese na nem nejsou patrne zadne podstatne zmeny. > St?n?n? mus? b?t proto?e za bou?ky kdy? do toho prskne n?jak? odpadn? v?boj > od blesku tak ta elektronika odejde. Kdyz rachne blesk nekam do blizkosti takoveho vedeni tak tomu nepomuze ani duch svatej natoz nejake stineni. Prakticky odzkouseno. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Michal Mal??ek" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:26:52PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > chmmm, mno to by mi melo stacit, doufam, ael stejne by to chtelo testnout :) > > jinak netusis pri pohledu na schema twistra neslo by to tam nejak dobastlit? > > zmenit par hodnot, dat filtrik, chmm? > > Jestli tou??te po n?jakym enhancovanym Twisteru kterej se m??e d?vat na st?echu > a tahat k n?mu TP, tak pros?m, ale nebude to nic jednoduch?ho, krom? p?ekop?n? > obvod? na interfacov?n? TP kabelu se bude muset je?t? cel? Twister p?ekopat na > to, aby byl specifikovan? na teplotn? rozsah -40...+85 degC. Twister > m? rozsah 0...+55 degC. > > Nem?m nic proti tomu aby se to vyvinulo ale mysl?m ?e prioritou v?t?iny > u?ivatel? je > 1) nesehnatelnost s??ovek s AUI > 2) mo?nost to strkat do switch? > 3) ti???k kv?li snadn?mu bastlen? > To je to co dle m?ho n?zoru nasazov?n? Ronji brzdilo. > A ?e budou rad?i kdy? se ud?l? p?ednostn? n?co co usnadn? zam??ov?n?, prodlou?? > vzd?lenost nebo zv??? komunika?n? rychlost, ne? n?co, d?ky ?emu si > budou moct svoji krabi?ku p?en?st z pokoje nahoru na st?echu. > > Ot?zka: kolik stoj? venkovn? st?n?n? TP kabel? Nen? n?hodou dra??? ne? dvojit? > koaxi?l? > > Venkovn? mus? b?t, proto?e oby?ejn? je d?lan? na vnit?n? instalace. > > St?n?n? mus? b?t proto?e za bou?ky kdy? do toho prskne n?jak? odpadn? v?boj > od blesku tak ta elektronika odejde. > > > >Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > > > > > > > >Melo by to fungovat do cca 20ti metru. > > >Skoro presne takhle jsem to mel zapojeno pred rokem a byly s tim > > >problemy. Jen misto R60/61 bylo 30 a misto R65/66 bylo 20 ohmu. > > >Kondenzatory C85/86 by taky mohly byt vetsi, takhle neni dodrzeno > > >impedancni prizpusobeni, coz ale u 1m kabelu nevadi. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 19:29:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 19:29:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <40857E69.20495.267769@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:47:53PM +0200 References: <007b01c426fc$88473a80$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <40857E69.20495.267769@localhost> Message-ID: <20040420182904.E24464@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:47:53PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > No AUI /presneji receno MAU - drop unit/ by podle normy melo makat > na 50 metrovem kabelu, takze tohle bych neresil. Pokud se to nekomu > nelibi at si skusi udelat interface treba s ML6652. No vono by asi AUI na tom chodilo. Ale musel by to byt ten spravny AUI kabel (coz byly oddelene stinene kroucene dvojlinky) a ne nejaky "dejte mi stineny 4-zilovy kabel" z kramu ;-) Tam na tom kabelu zadna filtrace nebyla, protoze na rozdil od metalizovane pradelni snury (kterou bytostne nesnasim, aby bylo jasno ;-) ) to bylo homogenni vedeni a co tam clovek posle, to na druhym konci dostane. A myslim ze to nebylo 50m ale dokonce 75m :) Metalizovana pradelni snura neni ani homogenni (homogenni by bylo kdyby to byl jeden par bud stineny a nebo siroko daleko prazdno a ne nekolik u sebe s ruznou periodou krouceni) ani to neni poradne vedeni (vyzaruje to ven a chyta to zvenku - v blizkem poli). Nezapomente taky ze kvuli tomu blizkemu poli se ma TP tahat alespon IIRC 20cm od silovych vodicu, coz chci videt nekoho jak najde 20cm mista v takovych tech ruznych stoupackach, sachtach, pruvlacich a kabelovych kanalech ;-) ) Ja mam napr. tazene Ronji nizkofrekvencni (!) 3mm (je tenci nez TP, vsude se vejde ;-) ) stinenou dvojlinkou v delce 3m tesne (vzdalenost neni vetsi jak 1cm) vedle siloveho vodice co jde ke spinaci od svetla a kdyz jsem spinac nastavil tak, ze hlasite srsel a svetlo svitilo na 50%, tak jsem testoval packetloss a vypadnuty bit se mi vyrobit nepodarilo. A to se signal prenasi vykonem pouhych 1.6mW, na rozdil od TP, kde to je 30mW. Doufam ze po tomto jiz uzivatelum trochu zajde na tahani datovych svodu od Ronji TPckem chut ;-) Cl< > > On 20 Apr 2004 at 19:25, Cipis wrote: > > > Hmm, TP iface m? fungovat dle normy na 105 metr p i pou it? UTP kategorie > > 5. > > > > e jsi to nezkou el na v?ce metrech, min. t ch 20-50, pova uji za trochu > > v t ? chybu. > > Od toho to je TP iface, aby to mohlo b t d?l ne AUI, ne kv li tomu, e > > nejsou s? ovky nebo se blb konfiguruj?. > > Pros?m tedy tebe nebo n koho, kdo tento TP iface m?, aby tuhle v c > > vyzkou el. > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > > > Zeptam se tedy jinak, funguje twister s 50m UTP kabelu ? > > > > > > Neni na to zamysleny. Fungovat to asi bude, ale bude to vyzarovat jako > > prase, > > > protoze v tom nejsou zadne filtry. A mozna bude snizeny dosah. Tech 50m > > kabelu > > > by se muselo pripojit pres takovy ten female-female adapter. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 19:38:14 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 19:38:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <002b01c42702$c7a34380$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:10:36PM +0200 References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen> <20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src> <002b01c42702$c7a34380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040420183814.F24464@beton.cybernet.src> > > u?ivatel? je > > 1) nesehnatelnost s??ovek s AUI > > 2) mo?nost to strkat do switch? > > 3) ti???k kv?li snadn?mu bastlen? > > To je to co dle m?ho n?zoru nasazov?n? Ronji brzdilo. > > > 2) st?le brzd? .... Jak? > > > Ot?zka: kolik stoj? venkovn? st?n?n? TP kabel? Nen? n?hodou dra??? ne? > dvojit? > > koaxi?l? > > > asi deset a? dvacet ka?ek metr, tak?e to je jedno Koax stoj? 7 korun metr a maj ho na rozd?l od t?hle exotiky na ka?dym rohu. > > > Venkovn? mus? b?t, proto?e oby?ejn? je d?lan? na vnit?n? instalace. > > > nebo taky oby?. TP (4K?/metr) a monoflex (lep??, odoln? hus? krk) > (10K?/metr) 14K?/metr, p?esn? 2 koaxy :) A jak prostr??? monoflex d?rou o pr?m?ru 15mm? :) > > > St?n?n? mus? b?t proto?e za bou?ky kdy? do toho prskne n?jak? odpadn? > v?boj > > od blesku tak ta elektronika odejde. > > > no, mysl?m, ?e to odejde i tak :-) > ochrany na TP nejsou tak dobr? jako ochrany na koax Tady n?jak implicitn? p?edpokl?d?? ?e kdy? na koaxu nen? ochrana a pra?t? do n?j, tak ?e to odejde. Co? je samoz?ejm? ?patn? p?edpoklad, proto?e to prskne do zem? (leda by se ten v?boj dok?zal teleportovat 4. dimenz? dovnit? kabelu ani? by se p?itom ot?el o st?n?n?) a tam je to tomu obvodu srde?n? ukraden?. Od toho je to zem aby se s n? d?laly ps? kusy :) Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 20 19:39:06 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Apr 20 19:42:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <20040420182904.E24464@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40857E69.20495.267769@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:47:53PM +0200 Message-ID: <40858A6A.16701.555D40@localhost> On 20 Apr 2004 at 18:29, Karel Kulhav wrote: No, tuhle nf vjec zase bytostne nesnasim ja. To vnejsi jednosmerne kroucene opleteni se chova jako civka nikdy netusenych parametru. I kdyz pravda je, ze Ronja na tom beha vetsinou v pohode. P.S.: Ta 3mm vjec je asi z GM, ze? > > Ja mam napr. tazene Ronji nizkofrekvencni (!) 3mm (je tenci nez TP, vsude se > vejde ;-) ) stinenou dvojlinkou v delce 3m tesne (vzdalenost neni vetsi jak > 1cm) vedle siloveho vodice co jde ke spinaci od svetla a kdyz jsem spinac > nastavil tak, ze hlasite srsel a svetlo svitilo na 50%, tak jsem testoval > packetloss a vypadnuty bit se mi vyrobit nepodarilo. A to se signal prenasi > vykonem pouhych 1.6mW, na rozdil od TP, kde to je 30mW. > > Doufam ze po tomto jiz uzivatelum trochu zajde na tahani datovych svodu > od Ronji TPckem chut ;-) > > Cl< > > > > On 20 Apr 2004 at 19:25, Cipis wrote: > > > > > Hmm, TP iface m? fungovat dle normy na 105 metr p i pou it? UTP kategorie > > > 5. > > > > > > e jsi to nezkou el na v?ce metrech, min. t ch 20-50, pova uji za trochu > > > v t ? chybu. > > > Od toho to je TP iface, aby to mohlo b t d?l ne AUI, ne kv li tomu, e > > > nejsou s? ovky nebo se blb konfiguruj?. > > > Pros?m tedy tebe nebo n koho, kdo tento TP iface m?, aby tuhle v c > > > vyzkou el. > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zeptam se tedy jinak, funguje twister s 50m UTP kabelu ? > > > > > > > > Neni na to zamysleny. Fungovat to asi bude, ale bude to vyzarovat jako > > > prase, > > > > protoze v tom nejsou zadne filtry. A mozna bude snizeny dosah. Tech 50m > > > kabelu > > > > by se muselo pripojit pres takovy ten female-female adapter. > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 19:45:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 19:45:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <015d01c42705$38fd2350$0414a8c0@pc>; from jkrul@seznam.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:28:05PM +0200 References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen> <20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src> <015d01c42705$38fd2350$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <20040420184508.G24464@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:28:05PM +0200, Ji?? Krul wrote: > > Venkovn? mus? b?t, proto?e oby?ejn? je d?lan? na vnit?n? instalace. > Az tak uplne nutne to neni, mame odzkouseny klasicky Belden a po 5 letech na > strese na nem nejsou patrne zadne podstatne zmeny. Tak to my mame Belden kat. 5e se slepenymi draty 100Mbps na 150m na strese a bezi rok a po pul roce zacal delat ze pri desti jde packetloss uplne do kytek - nejde pouzivat ani ssh. Zadne podstatne zmeny na nem patrne nejsou. Ono totiz jak je to twist, tak to sirici se pole trci i trochu z toho kabelu a zachyt?v? tam o r?zn? v?ci kter? le?? p?i cest?: rezav? kovov? mokr? povrchy, hlubok? lou?e s vodou a podobn? :) A jak vypad? takov? obd?ln?kov? impuls pot? co se 20 metr? m?chal ve vod? asi nen? nutno p?edstavovat ;-) > > > St?n?n? mus? b?t proto?e za bou?ky kdy? do toho prskne n?jak? odpadn? > v?boj > > od blesku tak ta elektronika odejde. > > Kdyz rachne blesk nekam do blizkosti takoveho vedeni tak tomu nepomuze ani > duch svatej natoz nejake stineni. Prakticky odzkouseno. No - presne takovym zpusobem jako Ronja se tahaj televize. A kolik lidi ma doma telku? A kdyz je ta Ronja cela od hlavy az k pate elektromagnetotesne uzavrena ve vodivem povrchu, kudy se ta niciva energie dostane dovnitr? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 19:49:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 19:49:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <40858A6A.16701.555D40@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:39:06PM +0200 References: <40857E69.20495.267769@localhost>; <20040420182904.E24464@beton.cybernet.src> <40858A6A.16701.555D40@localhost> Message-ID: <20040420184923.H24464@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:39:06PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > On 20 Apr 2004 at 18:29, Karel Kulhav wrote: > > No, tuhle nf vjec zase bytostne nesnasim ja. To vnejsi jednosmerne kroucene opleteni > se chova jako civka nikdy netusenych parametru. I kdyz pravda je, ze Ronja na tom > beha vetsinou v pohode. > P.S.: Ta 3mm vjec je asi z GM, ze? Hm, uznavam ze jednosmerne opleteni neni fakt dobra vec ;-) Z GM to neni. Tohle je nejaka neznama substance ktera se kdysi tezila u nas doma ve sklepe ;-) Cl< > > > > > Ja mam napr. tazene Ronji nizkofrekvencni (!) 3mm (je tenci nez TP, vsude se > > vejde ;-) ) stinenou dvojlinkou v delce 3m tesne (vzdalenost neni vetsi jak > > 1cm) vedle siloveho vodice co jde ke spinaci od svetla a kdyz jsem spinac > > nastavil tak, ze hlasite srsel a svetlo svitilo na 50%, tak jsem testoval > > packetloss a vypadnuty bit se mi vyrobit nepodarilo. A to se signal prenasi > > vykonem pouhych 1.6mW, na rozdil od TP, kde to je 30mW. > > > > Doufam ze po tomto jiz uzivatelum trochu zajde na tahani datovych svodu > > od Ronji TPckem chut ;-) From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 19:53:19 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 19:53:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost> <000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen> <20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001f01c42708$bf8088b0$0103450a@thechosen> mno AP jsou take nejsou myslim delane na venek a lidi i provider to davaj ven an amraz do skatuli, s tim stinenim jak nekdpo psal kdyz to tam flakne tak buch s nami. btw ten filtrik alias traficko ma myslim i izolacni vlastnost ne? myslim ze to nejakej kilovolt vydrzi, coz se o tomhl eprimim pripojeni moc rict neda ale treba se pletu. at to nekdo zhodnoti a kdzy tak me serve :) btw strkat do switche to neni ani ma priorita, nesehnatelnost sitovek s aui tak eneni problem podle me ale je tam ta kratka vzadalenost, tistaky jak jsme poznal take nepotrebuju osobne :) vim ze ten vrabcak udelam stejen rychle jako osadim desku. krom teda toho IF na tp, to by byl aais moje smrt. STP kabel stoji asi jendou tolik co UTP. takze asi desetikorunu? pro vnitrni pouziti coz tak moc nevadi protoze jestli ma ledka v tx rikas 12 let zivotnost tak to driv zdechne ledka nez shnije ten kabel. > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 07:26:52PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > chmmm, mno to by mi melo stacit, doufam, ael stejne by to chtelo testnout :) > > jinak netusis pri pohledu na schema twistra neslo by to tam nejak dobastlit? > > zmenit par hodnot, dat filtrik, chmm? > > Jestli tou??te po n?jakym enhancovanym Twisteru kterej se m??e d?vat na st?echu > a tahat k n?mu TP, tak pros?m, ale nebude to nic jednoduch?ho, krom? p?ekop?n? > obvod? na interfacov?n? TP kabelu se bude muset je?t? cel? Twister p?ekopat na > to, aby byl specifikovan? na teplotn? rozsah -40...+85 degC. Twister > m? rozsah 0...+55 degC. > > Nem?m nic proti tomu aby se to vyvinulo ale mysl?m ?e prioritou v?t?iny > u?ivatel? je > 1) nesehnatelnost s??ovek s AUI > 2) mo?nost to strkat do switch? > 3) ti???k kv?li snadn?mu bastlen? > To je to co dle m?ho n?zoru nasazov?n? Ronji brzdilo. > A ?e budou rad?i kdy? se ud?l? p?ednostn? n?co co usnadn? zam??ov?n?, prodlou?? > vzd?lenost nebo zv??? komunika?n? rychlost, ne? n?co, d?ky ?emu si > budou moct svoji krabi?ku p?en?st z pokoje nahoru na st?echu. > > Ot?zka: kolik stoj? venkovn? st?n?n? TP kabel? Nen? n?hodou dra??? ne? dvojit? > koaxi?l? > > Venkovn? mus? b?t, proto?e oby?ejn? je d?lan? na vnit?n? instalace. > > St?n?n? mus? b?t proto?e za bou?ky kdy? do toho prskne n?jak? odpadn? v?boj > od blesku tak ta elektronika odejde. > > > >Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > > > > > > > >Melo by to fungovat do cca 20ti metru. > > >Skoro presne takhle jsem to mel zapojeno pred rokem a byly s tim > > >problemy. Jen misto R60/61 bylo 30 a misto R65/66 bylo 20 ohmu. > > >Kondenzatory C85/86 by taky mohly byt vetsi, takhle neni dodrzeno > > >impedancni prizpusobeni, coz ale u 1m kabelu nevadi. From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Apr 20 20:03:28 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:03:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen><20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src><002b01c42702$c7a34380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040420183814.F24464@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002101c4270a$2a33a380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> > > > > 2) st?le brzd? .... > > Jak? > tim, ze to nenacpu do obycejneho svice, protoze to (zatim) nema autonegotation takze vsechno zustava pri starem - blizko ronji musi byt kompl, akorat teda ted uz ne s AUI sitovou, ale TP ... > > > > > Ot?zka: kolik stoj? venkovn? st?n?n? TP kabel? Nen? n?hodou dra??? ne? > > dvojit? > > > koaxi?l? > > > > > > asi deset a? dvacet ka?ek metr, tak?e to je jedno > > Koax stoj? 7 korun metr a maj ho na rozd?l od t?hle exotiky na ka?dym > rohu. > no, s dvojitym koaxialem by byl asi problem, ten nemaj urcite na kazdem rohu dva jednoduche koaxialy, to jo, zvlast ty smejdy, co maj ocelove jadro :-) > > > > > Venkovn? mus? b?t, proto?e oby?ejn? je d?lan? na vnit?n? instalace. > > > > > > nebo taky oby?. TP (4K?/metr) a monoflex (lep??, odoln? hus? krk) > > (10K?/metr) > > 14K?/metr, p?esn? 2 koaxy :) A jak prostr??? monoflex d?rou o pr?m?ru 15mm? :) > na co monoflex dirou? jen k dire a od diry :-) > > > > > St?n?n? mus? b?t proto?e za bou?ky kdy? do toho prskne n?jak? odpadn? > > v?boj > > > od blesku tak ta elektronika odejde. > > > > > > no, mysl?m, ?e to odejde i tak :-) > > ochrany na TP nejsou tak dobr? jako ochrany na koax > > Tady n?jak implicitn? p?edpokl?d?? ?e kdy? na koaxu nen? ochrana a pra?t? > do n?j, tak ?e to odejde. > > Co? je samoz?ejm? ?patn? p?edpoklad, proto?e to prskne do zem? (leda by se ten > v?boj dok?zal teleportovat 4. dimenz? dovnit? kabelu ani? by se p?itom ot?el o > st?n?n?) a tam je to tomu obvodu srde?n? ukraden?. Od toho je to zem > aby se s n? d?laly ps? kusy :) > > Cl< odejde to tarka stoprocentne, odejde to i kdyz neflakne blizko toho blesk (bez ochran!!!) zivotnost max. 1 rok ver, ze vim, o cem mluvim, mame natahanej asi kilometr koaxu pote, co jsem opravoval asi pet hubu a sitovek, jsme vsude nacpali ochrany od APC a od te doby o tom koaxu nevime (leda kdyz ho nekdo prerve:-) ) ne nadarmo se doporucuje pouzit na venkovni vedeni (chlavne ty luftem) koax s ochranama TP toho tolik nevydrzi i s ochranama Jestli Twister opravdu nezvladne tech aspon 20-50 metru, tak to bude problem, protoze si myslim, ze vetsina lidi tohle predpokladala. Ztraci to druhou vyhodu TP, protoze zbavit se AUI bylo zcela jiste chvalihodne ... Proto jeste jednou pisu, zkuste to nekdo ..... Cipis From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 20:06:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:06:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <001f01c42708$bf8088b0$0103450a@thechosen>; from m.malusek@seznam.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:53:19PM +0200 References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost> <000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen> <20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c42708$bf8088b0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040420190646.A24768@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:53:19PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > mno AP jsou take nejsou myslim delane na venek a lidi i provider to davaj > ven an amraz do skatuli, s tim stinenim jak nekdpo psal kdyz to tam flakne Pak to taky podle toho chodi. My jsme tu meli 1.5 roku AP takhle, bezelo to, pak to najednou xciplo. Prisel provider, vymenil za nejakou jinou mikrovlnu, ta byla strasnej crap, meli jsme tu chvili strasnej crap, pak prisel s tretim kusem, vymenil a byl pokoj. > tak buch s nami. btw ten filtrik alias traficko ma myslim i izolacni > vlastnost ne? myslim ze to nejakej kilovolt vydrzi, coz se o tomhl eprimim > pripojeni moc rict neda ale treba se pletu. at to nekdo zhodnoti a kdzy tak No to se u tohohle da nerict :) Kdyz drat v pulce oholis a pripojis takove ty kardiologicke zehlicky, rozhodne to pujde do kytek :) > me serve :) btw strkat do switche to neni ani ma priorita, nesehnatelnost > sitovek s aui tak eneni problem podle me ale je tam ta kratka vzadalenost, > tistaky jak jsme poznal take nepotrebuju osobne :) vim ze ten vrabcak udelam > stejen rychle jako osadim desku. krom teda toho IF na tp, to by byl aais No nerouhej se jeste jsem neuploadoval ty detaily jak stavet TP na vrabcak ;-) > moje smrt. > STP kabel stoji asi jendou tolik co UTP. takze asi desetikorunu? pro vnitrni > pouziti coz tak moc nevadi protoze jestli ma ledka v tx rikas 12 let > zivotnost tak to driv zdechne ledka nez shnije ten kabel. Pri tom jak se dneska lidi chovaj k planete se taky muze stat ze za 12 let pobezi bezprizorni opticky spoj v mrtvem radioaktivnim meste plnem opryskanych baraku s rozbitymi okny bouchajicimi ve vetru prinasejicim prach kontaminovany TCDD a prenaset internetovy provoz ktery bude sestavat uz jen ze SNMP mereni, nekolik let stareho automaticky rozesilaneho spamu a HTTP requestu vyhledavacovych robotu... Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 20:09:37 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:09:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <002101c4270a$2a33a380$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:03:28PM +0200 References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen><20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src><002b01c42702$c7a34380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040420183814.F24464@beton.cybernet.src> <002101c4270a$2a33a380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040420190937.B24768@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:03:28PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > > > > > 2) st?le brzd? .... > > > > Jak? > > > > tim, ze to nenacpu do obycejneho svice, protoze to (zatim) nema > autonegotation Nacpes, ale pojede half duplex (coz neni zadna katastrofa). > no, s dvojitym koaxialem by byl asi problem, ten nemaj urcite na kazdem rohu > dva jednoduche koaxialy, to jo, zvlast ty smejdy, co maj ocelove jadro :-) Dvojity koaxial == dva jednoduche koaxialy polozene vedle sebe. Co je ocelove jadro? Jak to vypada? > > > > > > > > Venkovn? mus? b?t, proto?e oby?ejn? je d?lan? na vnit?n? instalace. > > > > > > > > > nebo taky oby?. TP (4K?/metr) a monoflex (lep??, odoln? hus? krk) > > > (10K?/metr) > > > > 14K?/metr, p?esn? 2 koaxy :) A jak prostr??? monoflex d?rou o pr?m?ru > 15mm? :) > > > > na co monoflex dirou? jen k dire a od diry :-) > odejde to tarka stoprocentne, odejde to i kdyz neflakne blizko toho blesk > (bez ochran!!!) > zivotnost max. 1 rok > ver, ze vim, o cem mluvim, mame natahanej asi kilometr koaxu > pote, co jsem opravoval asi pet hubu a sitovek, jsme vsude nacpali ochrany > od APC > a od te doby o tom koaxu nevime (leda kdyz ho nekdo prerve:-) ) Ja nevim stalo se nekomu z 59 bezicich instalaci Ronji ze by mu to odeslo kvuli bource? Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 20 20:12:18 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:11:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <20040420184508.G24464@beton.cybernet.src> References: <015d01c42705$38fd2350$0414a8c0@pc>; from jkrul@seznam.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:28:05PM +0200 Message-ID: <40859232.3229.73C05D@localhost> On 20 Apr 2004 at 18:45, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:28:05PM +0200, Ji ? Krul wrote: > > > Venkovn? mus? b t, proto e oby ejn je d lan na vnit n? instalace. > > Az tak uplne nutne to neni, mame odzkouseny klasicky Belden a po 5 letech na > > strese na nem nejsou patrne zadne podstatne zmeny. > > Tak to my mame Belden kat. 5e se slepenymi draty 100Mbps na 150m na strese > a bezi rok a po pul roce zacal delat ze pri desti jde packetloss uplne do > kytek - nejde pouzivat ani ssh. > > Zadne podstatne zmeny na nem patrne nejsou. > > Ono totiz jak je to twist, tak to sirici se pole trci i trochu z toho kabelu > a zachyt?v? tam o r zn? v ci kter? le ? p i cest : rezav? kovov? mokr? povrchy, > hlubok? lou e s vodou a podobn :) > > A jak vypad? takov obd?ln?kov impuls pot? co se 20 metr m?chal ve vod > asi nen? nutno p edstavovat ;-) No, nevim. Spis bude nekde zapomenutym konektorem. My mame UTP zakopano v zemi v polyetylenove trubce a kdyz jsem ho tam vodou vtlacovali, tak se docela dost vody dostalo primo mezi zily (koho by napadlo zalepit konec kabelu, ze?). Spousta vody taky zustala v trubce a kabel v ni lezi. A jede to 100Mbit na 130metru. Pravda je, ze kdyz jsem ruco spojoval konce kabelu pred switchem do "jezka", tak to jelo jen 10MBit. Kdyz jsem to pak prepajel naprimo a peclive smotal, tak to jelo 100MBit. Se holt projevila impedancni diskontuita. > > > > > > St?n n mus? b t proto e za bou ky kdy do toho prskne n jak odpadn? > > v boj > > > od blesku tak ta elektronika odejde. > > > > Kdyz rachne blesk nekam do blizkosti takoveho vedeni tak tomu nepomuze ani > > duch svatej natoz nejake stineni. Prakticky odzkouseno. > > No - presne takovym zpusobem jako Ronja se tahaj televize. A kolik lidi ma doma > telku? > Jenze telka ma na vstupu hodne brutalni ochranu, ktera vychyta snad vsechno. Jeste jsem nevidel televizi s odpalenym antennim vstupem. Taky to bude castecne tim, ze kabel ma snahu prepetovou vlnu utlumit. Zato odpalenejch antennich zesilovacu jsem videl... a jejej > A kdyz je ta Ronja cela od hlavy az k pate elektromagnetotesne uzavrena ve > vodivem povrchu, kudy se ta niciva energie dostane dovnitr? > Plochou tvorenou pomyslnym trojuhelnikem s vrcholy interface-RX-TX a se stranami tvorenymi kabely. To je taky duvod proc Ronja nevyhovuje z hlediska EMC. Ale koho to zajima, kdyz to funguje... > Cl< From jkrul at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 20:20:32 2004 From: jkrul at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?Smn47SBLcnVs?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:20:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen><20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src><015d01c42705$38fd2350$0414a8c0@pc> <20040420184508.G24464@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <01bf01c4270c$8cb0e2f0$0414a8c0@pc> > Tak to my mame Belden kat. 5e se slepenymi draty 100Mbps na 150m na strese Jestli ono to nebude tou delkou 150m :-))) V kazdem pripade i s UPT pro vnejsi pouziti by jste na tom byli stejne s STP (stineny) nebo s kabelem CAT 6 o neco lepe. > A kdyz je ta Ronja cela od hlavy az k pate elektromagnetotesne uzavrena ve > vodivem povrchu, kudy se ta niciva energie dostane dovnitr? To je pomerne jednoduche, rozd?l eletrickych potencialu na draze blesku dosahuje az 10^8 V a proud blesku dosahuje 100 kA sila magnetickeho pole a izolacni vzdalenosti pro takoveto energie jsou tkakove jake jsou. Koneckoncu mezi mrakem a zemi je take az 20km vzduchova izolacni mezera a nestaci :-))) Nicmene priklad z praxe. Klasiky koaxial RG58 delka cca 40m , nainstalovany podle svech pravidel uvnitr budovy. Pri bource uderilo do veze kostela vzdalene od mista instalace cca 25m (pres ulici). Vysledek na vsech pripojenych PC ( pri bource vypnute) odesli sitove karty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:28:05PM +0200, Ji?? Krul wrote: > > > Venkovn? mus? b?t, proto?e oby?ejn? je d?lan? na vnit?n? instalace. > > Az tak uplne nutne to neni, mame odzkouseny klasicky Belden a po 5 letech na > > strese na nem nejsou patrne zadne podstatne zmeny. > > Tak to my mame Belden kat. 5e se slepenymi draty 100Mbps na 150m na strese > a bezi rok a po pul roce zacal delat ze pri desti jde packetloss uplne do > kytek - nejde pouzivat ani ssh. > > Zadne podstatne zmeny na nem patrne nejsou. > > Ono totiz jak je to twist, tak to sirici se pole trci i trochu z toho kabelu > a zachyt?v? tam o r?zn? v?ci kter? le?? p?i cest?: rezav? kovov? mokr? povrchy, > hlubok? lou?e s vodou a podobn? :) > > A jak vypad? takov? obd?ln?kov? impuls pot? co se 20 metr? m?chal ve vod? > asi nen? nutno p?edstavovat ;-) > > > > > > St?n?n? mus? b?t proto?e za bou?ky kdy? do toho prskne n?jak? odpadn? > > v?boj > > > od blesku tak ta elektronika odejde. > > > > Kdyz rachne blesk nekam do blizkosti takoveho vedeni tak tomu nepomuze ani > > duch svatej natoz nejake stineni. Prakticky odzkouseno. > > No - presne takovym zpusobem jako Ronja se tahaj televize. A kolik lidi ma doma > telku? > > A kdyz je ta Ronja cela od hlavy az k pate elektromagnetotesne uzavrena ve > vodivem povrchu, kudy se ta niciva energie dostane dovnitr? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From jkrul at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 20:26:06 2004 From: jkrul at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?Smn47SBLcnVs?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:26:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <015d01c42705$38fd2350$0414a8c0@pc>; from jkrul@seznam.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:28:05PM +0200 <40859232.3229.73C05D@localhost> Message-ID: <01dc01c4270d$53e45eb0$0414a8c0@pc> Koneckoncu krouceny je to prave proto aby to bylo co mozna nejodolnejsi vuci vnejsom vlivum a elmag. parametrum prostredi, kterym to prochazi. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu On 20 Apr 2004 at 18:45, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:28:05PM +0200, Ji ? Krul wrote: > > > Venkovn? mus? b t, proto e oby ejn je d lan na vnit n? instalace. > > Az tak uplne nutne to neni, mame odzkouseny klasicky Belden a po 5 letech na > > strese na nem nejsou patrne zadne podstatne zmeny. > > Tak to my mame Belden kat. 5e se slepenymi draty 100Mbps na 150m na strese > a bezi rok a po pul roce zacal delat ze pri desti jde packetloss uplne do > kytek - nejde pouzivat ani ssh. > > Zadne podstatne zmeny na nem patrne nejsou. > > Ono totiz jak je to twist, tak to sirici se pole trci i trochu z toho kabelu > a zachyt?v? tam o r zn? v ci kter? le ? p i cest : rezav? kovov? mokr? povrchy, > hlubok? lou e s vodou a podobn :) > > A jak vypad? takov obd?ln?kov impuls pot? co se 20 metr m?chal ve vod > asi nen? nutno p edstavovat ;-) No, nevim. Spis bude nekde zapomenutym konektorem. My mame UTP zakopano v zemi v polyetylenove trubce a kdyz jsem ho tam vodou vtlacovali, tak se docela dost vody dostalo primo mezi zily (koho by napadlo zalepit konec kabelu, ze?). Spousta vody taky zustala v trubce a kabel v ni lezi. A jede to 100Mbit na 130metru. Pravda je, ze kdyz jsem ruco spojoval konce kabelu pred switchem do "jezka", tak to jelo jen 10MBit. Kdyz jsem to pak prepajel naprimo a peclive smotal, tak to jelo 100MBit. Se holt projevila impedancni diskontuita. > > > > > > St?n n mus? b t proto e za bou ky kdy do toho prskne n jak odpadn? > > v boj > > > od blesku tak ta elektronika odejde. > > > > Kdyz rachne blesk nekam do blizkosti takoveho vedeni tak tomu nepomuze ani > > duch svatej natoz nejake stineni. Prakticky odzkouseno. > > No - presne takovym zpusobem jako Ronja se tahaj televize. A kolik lidi ma doma > telku? > Jenze telka ma na vstupu hodne brutalni ochranu, ktera vychyta snad vsechno. Jeste jsem nevidel televizi s odpalenym antennim vstupem. Taky to bude castecne tim, ze kabel ma snahu prepetovou vlnu utlumit. Zato odpalenejch antennich zesilovacu jsem videl... a jejej > A kdyz je ta Ronja cela od hlavy az k pate elektromagnetotesne uzavrena ve > vodivem povrchu, kudy se ta niciva energie dostane dovnitr? > Plochou tvorenou pomyslnym trojuhelnikem s vrcholy interface-RX-TX a se stranami tvorenymi kabely. To je taky duvod proc Ronja nevyhovuje z hlediska EMC. Ale koho to zajima, kdyz to funguje... > Cl< _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 20:28:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:28:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <40859232.3229.73C05D@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:12:18PM +0200 References: <015d01c42705$38fd2350$0414a8c0@pc>; <20040420184508.G24464@beton.cybernet.src> <40859232.3229.73C05D@localhost> Message-ID: <20040420192819.A24860@beton.cybernet.src> > Jenze telka ma na vstupu hodne brutalni ochranu, ktera vychyta snad vsechno. Jeste Jak ta ochrana funguje? Mas odkaz na nejaky schema zapojeni? > jsem nevidel televizi s odpalenym antennim vstupem. Taky to bude castecne tim, ze > kabel ma snahu prepetovou vlnu utlumit. Zato odpalenejch antennich zesilovacu jsem > videl... a jejej > > > A kdyz je ta Ronja cela od hlavy az k pate elektromagnetotesne uzavrena ve > > vodivem povrchu, kudy se ta niciva energie dostane dovnitr? > > > Plochou tvorenou pomyslnym trojuhelnikem s vrcholy interface-RX-TX a se stranami > tvorenymi kabely. To je taky duvod proc Ronja nevyhovuje z hlediska EMC. Ale koho > to zajima, kdyz to funguje... Plochou tvorenou timto trojuhelnikem muze energie tak maximalne prolezt na opacnou stranu toho trojuhelnika. Ale stale jeste nejsme uvnitr uzavreneho prostoru v kterem jsou soucastky. Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Apr 20 20:35:24 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:35:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen><20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src><002b01c42702$c7a34380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><20040420183814.F24464@beton.cybernet.src><002101c4270a$2a33a380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040420190937.B24768@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004a01c4270e$a0125d40$5046a8c0@cipis.net> > Nacpes, ale pojede half duplex (coz neni zadna katastrofa). > ze by v tomhle byl twister lepsi nez highlander? ten mi jel jen proti hubu, proti 100 svicu ne ... > Co je ocelove jadro? Jak to vypada? > bezne (a levne) se prodava RG6U, ktery jako takovy ma mit jadro cele medene ovsem ouha, oni to sidi a jadro delaj z oceli, na ktere je nanesena med proto taky se ti na to chytne magnet a taky je to takove tvrdsi sice skin efekt, ale presto stoji za hovno .... na TV dobry, ale neco vys ... > > Ja nevim stalo se nekomu z 59 bezicich instalaci Ronji ze by mu to odeslo > kvuli bource? > Jak maji dlouhe koaxy? Cipis P.S. Instalaci Ronji si predstavuju tak, ze na strese (..) je mechanika s Rx a Tx, koaxy pod strechu, tam je iface a od tama TP nekam ... From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 20:36:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:36:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <01bf01c4270c$8cb0e2f0$0414a8c0@pc>; from jkrul@seznam.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:20:32PM +0200 References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen><20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src><015d01c42705$38fd2350$0414a8c0@pc> <20040420184508.G24464@beton.cybernet.src> <01bf01c4270c$8cb0e2f0$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <20040420193601.B24860@beton.cybernet.src> > To je pomerne jednoduche, rozd?l eletrickych potencialu na draze blesku > dosahuje az 10^8 V a proud blesku dosahuje 100 kA > sila magnetickeho pole a izolacni vzdalenosti pro takoveto energie jsou > tkakove jake jsou. Koneckoncu mezi mrakem a zemi je take az > 20km vzduchova izolacni mezera a nestaci :-))) > > > Nicmene priklad z praxe. > > Klasiky koaxial RG58 delka cca 40m , nainstalovany podle svech pravidel > uvnitr budovy. Pri bource uderilo do veze kostela vzdalene od mista > instalace cca 25m (pres ulici). > Vysledek na vsech pripojenych PC ( pri bource vypnute) odesli sitove karty Koaxial u koaxialni sitovky neni uzemneny. Vznikl tedy potencialovy rozdil mezi PC ktery se vybil izolacni mezerou (delana na pouhych 1.5kV nebo nejaky takovy vysmech). Vznikla jiskra. Kdo ma v pocitaci jiskry, tomu neni uz pomoci :) Myslim ze tenhle flamewar se redukuje na to, ze ja jsem zastancem tabora ktery brumy resi silnym medenym vodicem, ty zastancem tabora, ktery je resi galvanickym oddelenim :) Jisteze existuje takovy uder blesku pri kterem v Ronje neco odejde. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 20:36:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:36:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <01dc01c4270d$53e45eb0$0414a8c0@pc>; from jkrul@seznam.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:26:06PM +0200 References: <015d01c42705$38fd2350$0414a8c0@pc>; <40859232.3229.73C05D@localhost> <01dc01c4270d$53e45eb0$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <20040420193619.C24860@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:26:06PM +0200, Ji?? Krul wrote: > Koneckoncu krouceny je to prave proto aby to bylo co mozna nejodolnejsi vuci > vnejsom vlivum a elmag. parametrum prostredi, kterym to prochazi. Ze stejnyho duvodu je koax stineny. Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Apr 20 20:39:21 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:39:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen><20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src><015d01c42705$38fd2350$0414a8c0@pc><20040420184508.G24464@beton.cybernet.src><01bf01c4270c$8cb0e2f0$0414a8c0@pc> <20040420193601.B24860@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <006001c4270f$2d806b40$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Tady nejde o to, jestli tahat koaxem nebo TP po venku, jde tu spis o to, ze jsme vsichni cekali, ze to bude mit delku stejne jako kazde jine zarizeni na TP. Cipis > Myslim ze tenhle flamewar se redukuje na to, ze ja jsem zastancem tabora ktery > brumy resi silnym medenym vodicem, ty zastancem tabora, ktery je resi > galvanickym oddelenim :) > > Jisteze existuje takovy uder blesku pri kterem v Ronje neco odejde. > > Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 20:40:13 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:40:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <004a01c4270e$a0125d40$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:35:24PM +0200 References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen><20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src><002b01c42702$c7a34380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><20040420183814.F24464@beton.cybernet.src><002101c4270a$2a33a380$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040420190937.B24768@beton.cybernet.src> <004a01c4270e$a0125d40$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040420194013.D24860@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:35:24PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > Nacpes, ale pojede half duplex (coz neni zadna katastrofa). > > > > ze by v tomhle byl twister lepsi nez highlander? ten mi jel jen proti hubu, > proti 100 svicu ne ... Musi to chodit. Kdyz autonegot switch nevidi odezvu, musi predpokladat 10Mbps half duplex. > > > Co je ocelove jadro? Jak to vypada? > > > > bezne (a levne) se prodava RG6U, ktery jako takovy ma mit jadro cele medene > ovsem ouha, oni to sidi a jadro delaj z oceli, na ktere je nanesena med > proto taky se ti na to chytne magnet a taky je to takove tvrdsi > sice skin efekt, ale presto stoji za hovno .... na TV dobry, ale neco vys > ... Jak tlusta je ta med? > > > > > > Ja nevim stalo se nekomu z 59 bezicich instalaci Ronji ze by mu to odeslo > > kvuli bource? > > > > Jak maji dlouhe koaxy? Ja mam doma 25m. Usporadejme na wikine dick wawing contest kdo ma nejdelsiho koaxa :) http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/NejdelsiKoax CL< > > P.S. Instalaci Ronji si predstavuju tak, ze na strese (..) je mechanika s Rx > a Tx, koaxy pod strechu, tam je iface a od tama TP nekam ... > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Apr 20 20:52:23 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Tue Apr 20 20:52:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu References: <4085781F.24017.DE3B6@localhost><000501c426fc$abc00a00$0103450a@thechosen><20040420175414.D24464@beton.cybernet.src><002b01c42702$c7a34380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><20040420183814.F24464@beton.cybernet.src><002101c4270a$2a33a380$5046a8c0@cipis.net><20040420190937.B24768@beton.cybernet.src><004a01c4270e$a0125d40$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040420194013.D24860@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <008b01c42710$fffc47a0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> > Musi to chodit. Kdyz autonegot switch nevidi odezvu, musi predpokladat > 10Mbps half duplex. Hmm, zkusim znova. Zatim jsem se nedostal k tomu, otestovat tu mnou vyrobenou pulku spoje, tak pak poreferuju :-) > > bezne (a levne) se prodava RG6U, ktery jako takovy ma mit jadro cele medene > > ovsem ouha, oni to sidi a jadro delaj z oceli, na ktere je nanesena med > > proto taky se ti na to chytne magnet a taky je to takove tvrdsi > > sice skin efekt, ale presto stoji za hovno .... na TV dobry, ale neco vys > > ... > > Jak tlusta je ta med? > Nenasel jsem datasheet (moc jsem teda nehledal), ale da se to seskrabnout nozem :-) > > Jak maji dlouhe koaxy? > > Ja mam doma 25m. Usporadejme na wikine dick wawing contest kdo ma nejdelsiho > koaxa :) > > http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/NejdelsiKoax > jo, uvidime :-) Cipis From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 20 21:03:09 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Apr 20 21:02:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <20040420192819.A24860@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40859232.3229.73C05D@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:12:18PM +0200 Message-ID: <40859E1D.15612.A251EF@localhost> On 20 Apr 2004 at 19:28, Karel Kulhav wrote: > > Jenze telka ma na vstupu hodne brutalni ochranu, ktera vychyta snad vsechno. Jeste > > Jak ta ochrana funguje? Mas odkaz na nejaky schema zapojeni? > Ladeny obvod typu pasmova propust. Jestli jste meli/mate TV znacky tesla, tak te odkazuji do supliku k servisnimu manualu. Nebo lepe do popelnice a najdi si patricnou soucastku osobne. V tech tunerech byvaji i tranzistory BF9xy, takze by se navsteva popelnice mohla vyplatit. Demontaz se provadi vetsinou raznym kopnutim okovane boty do plosnaku na kterem je tuner pripajen, jen se nesmi kopnout do obrazovky. A hlavne vas pri tom nesmi videt domovni duvernice... Tuner = plechova krabice s antennim konektorem, bezne se vyskytujici v TV. > > jsem nevidel televizi s odpalenym antennim vstupem. Taky to bude castecne tim, ze > > kabel ma snahu prepetovou vlnu utlumit. Zato odpalenejch antennich zesilovacu jsem > > videl... a jejej > > > > > A kdyz je ta Ronja cela od hlavy az k pate elektromagnetotesne uzavrena ve > > > vodivem povrchu, kudy se ta niciva energie dostane dovnitr? > > > > > Plochou tvorenou pomyslnym trojuhelnikem s vrcholy interface-RX-TX a se stranami > > tvorenymi kabely. To je taky duvod proc Ronja nevyhovuje z hlediska EMC. Ale koho > > to zajima, kdyz to funguje... > > Plochou tvorenou timto trojuhelnikem muze energie tak maximalne prolezt na > opacnou stranu toho trojuhelnika. Ale stale jeste nejsme uvnitr uzavreneho > prostoru v kterem jsou soucastky. > Ba ne, v tu chvili uz je v rozvodu napajeni. Faradayuv zakon prece rika Int(E)dl pres uzavrenou smycku = -Int(dB/dt)dS pres plochu, kterou smycka obepina. Mozna jeste +- krat nejaka ta materialova konstanta. No a vyboj blesku udela setsakramenske dB/dt. > Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 20 21:12:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 21:12:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <40859E1D.15612.A251EF@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:03:09PM +0200 References: <40859232.3229.73C05D@localhost>; <20040420192819.A24860@beton.cybernet.src> <40859E1D.15612.A251EF@localhost> Message-ID: <20040420201227.B24942@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:03:09PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > On 20 Apr 2004 at 19:28, Karel Kulhav wrote: > > > > Jenze telka ma na vstupu hodne brutalni ochranu, ktera vychyta snad vsechno. Jeste > > > > Jak ta ochrana funguje? Mas odkaz na nejaky schema zapojeni? > > > Ladeny obvod typu pasmova propust. Jo to je fakt, to muze fungovat dobre. Tak prej fungujou bleskojistky na WiFi :) Jestli jste meli/mate TV znacky tesla, tak te > odkazuji do supliku k servisnimu manualu. Nebo lepe do popelnice a najdi si patricnou > soucastku osobne. V tech tunerech byvaji i tranzistory BF9xy, takze by se navsteva > popelnice mohla vyplatit. Demontaz se provadi vetsinou raznym kopnutim okovane > boty do plosnaku na kterem je tuner pripajen, jen se nesmi kopnout do obrazovky. > A hlavne vas pri tom nesmi videt domovni duvernice... Aby nedostala take razne kopnuti okovanou botou... Ale nechaj ja toho, nejsem zadny skinhed :) Ale s tou navstevou popelnice to neni spatny napad :) Muze se dat na wikinu planky v kterem typu T. V. je prislusny tranistor kde umisten :) Nebo by sme mohli na to natrenovat bezdomovce a misto noveho prostoru bysme od nich mohli v metru kupovat vstupni tranzistory :) Navrhuju usporadat soutez trasheap Ronja: * BF988 z popelnice * krabicky z plechu z buraku nebo od ananasu * Twister na vrabci hnizdo s ruskymi odpory a keramickymi kondy TESLA > > Plochou tvorenou timto trojuhelnikem muze energie tak maximalne prolezt na > > opacnou stranu toho trojuhelnika. Ale stale jeste nejsme uvnitr uzavreneho > > prostoru v kterem jsou soucastky. > > > Ba ne, v tu chvili uz je v rozvodu napajeni. Faradayuv zakon prece rika Int(E)dl pres > uzavrenou smycku = -Int(dB/dt)dS pres plochu, kterou smycka obepina. Mozna jeste +- To mi musis vysvetlit ja nejsem FELak. Chapu to dobre ze napeti po kruhu je minus zmena magnetickeho toku v tom kruhu? Ale kdyz bude kruh ze supravodice tak to fungovat nebude, ze :) Ono totiz se tam indukuje proud ktery vyrabi mag. pole, ktery to puvodni vynuluje. Takhle funguje napr. kotva v asynchronnim motoru. Rikas teda ze vadi ze mam drat k RX tazeny uplne jinou cestou po byte nez ten k TX? Cl< From honza.havlicek at seznam.cz Tue Apr 20 21:32:15 2004 From: honza.havlicek at seznam.cz (Kero) Date: Tue Apr 20 21:33:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040420110622.A23689@beton.cybernet.src> <836980.4386521-25281-921477359-1082460733@seznam.cz> <20040420121407.A23743@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <408588CF.40602@seznam.cz> Tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do ktereho by se z jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP ktery by mel jit klidne na 50metru (doufam, ze by ten adapter zvladl i tech 105 metru z normy). Mohli by jste upresnit o co se jedna, jak je to drahe, z ceho se to napaji (kolik to zere atd.)a jak by to melo fungovat? Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:32:13PM +0200, schumann miroslav wrote: > >> >>>On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 12:31:58PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: >>> >>>>S jak dlouhym UTP kabelem funguje TWISTER? >>> >>>Ma to 1-metrovy kabel pridelany k sobe stejne jako AUI, ktery se strci >>>do sitovky. >>> >>>Cl< >> >> >> >>Zeptam se tedy jinak, funguje twister s 50m UTP kabelu ? > > > Neni na to zamysleny. Fungovat to asi bude, ale bude to vyzarovat jako prase, > protoze v tom nejsou zadne filtry. A mozna bude snizeny dosah. Tech 50m kabelu > by se muselo pripojit pres takovy ten female-female adapter. > > Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 20 21:40:23 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Apr 20 21:39:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu In-Reply-To: <20040420201227.B24942@beton.cybernet.src> References: <40859E1D.15612.A251EF@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:03:09PM +0200 Message-ID: <4085A6D7.18352.C4691F@localhost> On 20 Apr 2004 at 20:12, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:03:09PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > On 20 Apr 2004 at 19:28, Karel Kulhav wrote: > > > > > > Jenze telka ma na vstupu hodne brutalni ochranu, ktera vychyta snad vsechno. Jeste > > > > > > Jak ta ochrana funguje? Mas odkaz na nejaky schema zapojeni? > > > > > Ladeny obvod typu pasmova propust. > > Jo to je fakt, to muze fungovat dobre. Tak prej fungujou bleskojistky na WiFi > :) Presne, tam je tzv. usek ctvrtvlnneho vedeni na konci zkratovany. Pripojeny k vedeni do "T". Pro uzitecny signa tam neni. Pro ostatni frekvence je to prakticky zkrat. Pro Ronju by to bylo 7,5; 15 a 150 metru, akorat jak to tam pripojit. > > Jestli jste meli/mate TV znacky tesla, tak te > > odkazuji do supliku k servisnimu manualu. Nebo lepe do popelnice a najdi si patricnou > > soucastku osobne. V tech tunerech byvaji i tranzistory BF9xy, takze by se navsteva > > popelnice mohla vyplatit. Demontaz se provadi vetsinou raznym kopnutim okovane > > boty do plosnaku na kterem je tuner pripajen, jen se nesmi kopnout do obrazovky. > > A hlavne vas pri tom nesmi videt domovni duvernice... > > Aby nedostala take razne kopnuti okovanou botou... Ale nechaj ja toho, nejsem > zadny skinhed :) Ale s tou navstevou popelnice to neni spatny napad :) Bohuzel na me (duvernice) kdysi poslala anonymni dopis do skoly, ze prej rozebiram na smetistich televize. Tak jsem ji rozebral motorovou pilou. > Muze se dat na wikinu planky v kterem typu T. V. je prislusny tranistor > kde umisten :) > Mam takovy dojem ze skoro vsechny barevne TV Tesla v drevotriskove bedne mely BF980. Sam mam jeden takovy v tomhle http://images.twibright.com/tns/e31.html . > Nebo by sme mohli na to natrenovat bezdomovce a misto noveho prostoru bysme > od nich mohli v metru kupovat vstupni tranzistory :) > > Navrhuju usporadat soutez trasheap Ronja: > * BF988 z popelnice > * krabicky z plechu z buraku nebo od ananasu > * Twister na vrabci hnizdo s ruskymi odpory a keramickymi kondy TESLA Hadej proc mam na te roure napis FEKAL DEVICE? Roura je pouzita od WC, BF980 je z popelnice, cast krabicky je z ananasu, odpor v drainu BF980 je made in ussr a polovina kondenzatoru je TESLA a druha polovina je ex. TESLA, dnes AVX Lan?kroun. > > > > Plochou tvorenou timto trojuhelnikem muze energie tak maximalne prolezt na > > > opacnou stranu toho trojuhelnika. Ale stale jeste nejsme uvnitr uzavreneho > > > prostoru v kterem jsou soucastky. > > > > > Ba ne, v tu chvili uz je v rozvodu napajeni. Faradayuv zakon prece rika Int(E)dl pres > > uzavrenou smycku = -Int(dB/dt)dS pres plochu, kterou smycka obepina. Mozna jeste +- > > To mi musis vysvetlit ja nejsem FELak. Chapu to dobre ze napeti po kruhu je > minus zmena magnetickeho toku v tom kruhu? Spravne. Koukam, ze aspon fyziku jste meli. > > Ale kdyz bude kruh ze supravodice tak to fungovat nebude, ze :) > > Ono totiz se tam indukuje proud ktery vyrabi mag. pole, ktery to puvodni > vynuluje. > Skoro, ale jen do urcite intenzity mg. pole. Pokud je prilis silne zrusi supravodivost. Na druhou stranu je zajimave priblizit magnet k mase supravodice - magnet zustane levitovat v jeho blizkosti. Lhostejno zda-li nad nim nebo pod nim. > Takhle funguje napr. kotva v asynchronnim motoru. > > Rikas teda ze vadi ze mam drat k RX tazeny uplne jinou cestou po byte nez > ten k TX? > Vadi, ale neni to tak hrozny. > Cl< Na zaver bych navrhoval zabavnou vlozku "[Ronja] Delka UTP kabelu" ukoncit. From pavkriz at gybon.cz Tue Apr 20 21:43:04 2004 From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz) Date: Tue Apr 20 21:42:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Krabicka z GM - odstineni Message-ID: <40858B58.7070805@gybon.cz> Ahoj - chtel jsem se zeptat zda se ma dno krabicky z GM pro RX a TX priletovat nebo ne (neni to z fotek uplne patrne) - a pokud ano tak jestli po cele delce kazde hrany? Vsiml jsem si jaky duraz se klade na kvalitni odstineni (natrihani chlopni u vicka a podobne) a proto se ptam... Predem diky za odpoved, Pavel. From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 22:03:22 2004 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Tue Apr 20 22:03:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BPW43....END OF THE ROAD.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040420210322.87860.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Bpw43 is out of production . what we do in the future? ..:(.... some cheap and good PIN diode will be founded for future ronja? or, some Hamamatsu APD? ...i'll hope not..:D.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25˘ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From gullik.webjorn at flysta.net Tue Apr 20 22:14:28 2004 From: gullik.webjorn at flysta.net (=?us-ascii?Q?Gullik_Webjorn?=) Date: Tue Apr 20 22:12:37 2004 Subject: SV: [Ronja] BPW43....END OF THE ROAD.. In-Reply-To: <20040420210322.87860.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: BPV10, several other such as Osram, + taiwanese has good PD s Gullik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+gullik.webjorn=flysta.net@lists.pointless.net]For popa-popescu sorin-gabriel Skickat: den 20 april 2004 23:03 Till: ronja@lists.pointless.net Amne: [Ronja] BPW43....END OF THE ROAD.. Bpw43 is out of production . what we do in the future? ..:(.... some cheap and good PIN diode will be founded for future ronja? or, some Hamamatsu APD? ...i'll hope not..:D.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 06:50:54 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 06:50:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Krabicka z GM - odstineni In-Reply-To: <40858B58.7070805@gybon.cz>; from pavkriz@gybon.cz on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:43:04PM +0200 References: <40858B58.7070805@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <20040421055054.A25363@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:43:04PM +0200, Pavel Kriz wrote: > Ahoj - chtel jsem se zeptat zda se ma dno krabicky z GM pro RX a TX > priletovat nebo ne (neni to z fotek uplne patrne) - a pokud ano tak > jestli po cele delce kazde hrany? > > Vsiml jsem si jaky duraz se klade na kvalitni odstineni (natrihani > chlopni u vicka a podobne) a proto se ptam... Jojo, ma. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 06:52:33 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 06:52:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Lenght UTP and Autonegotiation in TWISTER In-Reply-To: <51379.213.77.122.1.1082494409.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl>; from andy@intercomp.info on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:53:29PM +0200 References: <51379.213.77.122.1.1082494409.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040421055233.C25363@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:53:29PM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > Sorry, I know that you talking about it ... but in non english. > > What is maximum lenght of UTP cable from Twister to any swich ? > In specification of Twister is 1m of cable. But this is to small. Can I > resize this cable to 80m ???? I recognized in Czech something about No. > filters and female - female adapters ??? > > And the second question: Is there any chance to force TWISTER in simply > way (changing something in construction of TWISTER) to work in FULL > DUPLEX even if my swich is autonegotiation and NOT managle and without > manual FULLDUPLEX setting ??? It's not matter of twister, Twister is fixed running at full duplex. It's the matter of switch. So in this case the answer is also no :( Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 07:24:12 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 07:24:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] KNEZA: ALERT!!!!! Message-ID: <20040421062412.A25719@beton.cybernet.src> Knezo, zjistil jsem ze pri updatovani tech tistaku jsem to omylem zpracoval verzi ve ktery neni ten patch na vykusovani servisniho potisku pajecima ploskama. Doufam ze to v Pragoboardu odhalej, ale jestli jsi jim to jeste neposilal, tak jim to neposilej. Musim to tam opravit. Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Apr 21 07:40:05 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 07:40:09 2004 Subject: [Ronja] guma v zamerovani Message-ID: <000e01c4276b$7b6b4cb0$0103450a@thechosen> v zamerovani ronji jsou gumove spalky na jemne doladeni smeru, kde ta guam roste? da se to sehnat? jaka to je guma? jak to dlouhp vydrzi venku nez to spuchri a budu to muset vymenit a zova zamerit? From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 07:47:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 07:48:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] guma v zamerovani In-Reply-To: <000e01c4276b$7b6b4cb0$0103450a@thechosen>; from m.malusek@seznam.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 08:40:05AM +0200 References: <000e01c4276b$7b6b4cb0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040421064758.B544@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 08:40:05AM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > v zamerovani ronji jsou gumove spalky na jemne doladeni smeru, kde ta guam > roste? da se to sehnat? jaka to je guma? jak to dlouhp vydrzi venku nez to > spuchri a budu to muset vymenit a zova zamerit? Guma Jecna. Nebo zelezarstvi takove ty zarazky na dvere. Me to uz zpuchrelo a nic se nedeje. Jen popraska povrch a guma gumidkuje dal :) Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Apr 21 07:51:43 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Apr 21 07:51:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] guma v zamerovani In-Reply-To: <000e01c4276b$7b6b4cb0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000e01c4276b$7b6b4cb0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200404210851.43479.zapadlo@melzer.cz> vyborne lze pouzit gumovy silentblok "zaves horniho oka predniho tlumice na vozy skoda favorit" Roste v mototechnach a za rok venku neni popraskan. Geometricky jet o valecek o prumeru cca 3cm vysce 2cm a dire 1cm. cena v mototechne prerov 2kc/kus S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 08:00:49 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 08:00:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] KNEZA: ALERT!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20040421062412.A25719@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040421062412.A25719@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40861C21.7020300@poupe.net> Uffffffffffffff clocku..... jeste jsem to neposlal..mel jsem to v planu nekdy za chvilku (az vstanu) oprav to a dej vedet. pak jim to poslu a uz to bude zavazny a v poctu asi 250ti kusu (ano...tolik si lidi objednali.. to je na 125 spoju!!!!) takze uz by to byl velkej probleeem! Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Knezo, > > zjistil jsem ze pri updatovani tech tistaku jsem to omylem zpracoval > verzi ve ktery neni ten patch na vykusovani servisniho potisku pajecima > ploskama. > > Doufam ze to v Pragoboardu odhalej, ale jestli jsi jim to jeste neposilal, > tak jim to neposilej. Musim to tam opravit. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 08:03:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 08:03:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] guma v zamerovani In-Reply-To: <200404210851.43479.zapadlo@melzer.cz>; from zapadlo@melzer.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 08:51:43AM +0200 References: <000e01c4276b$7b6b4cb0$0103450a@thechosen> <200404210851.43479.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20040421070304.A691@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 08:51:43AM +0200, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > vyborne lze pouzit gumovy silentblok "zaves horniho oka predniho tlumice na > vozy skoda favorit" > Roste v mototechnach a za rok venku neni popraskan. Geometricky jet o valecek > o prumeru cca 3cm vysce 2cm a dire 1cm. cena v mototechne prerov 2kc/kus Hehe diky to je naprosto cool, uz jsem to tam do navodu dal :) Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Apr 21 08:07:34 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Apr 21 08:07:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] guma v zamerovani In-Reply-To: <20040421070304.A691@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000e01c4276b$7b6b4cb0$0103450a@thechosen> <200404210851.43479.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20040421070304.A691@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404210907.34183.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne st 21. dubna 2004 09:03 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 08:51:43AM +0200, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > vyborne lze pouzit gumovy silentblok "zaves horniho oka predniho tlumice > > na vozy skoda favorit" > > Roste v mototechnach a za rok venku neni popraskan. Geometricky jet o > > valecek o prumeru cca 3cm vysce 2cm a dire 1cm. cena v mototechne prerov > > 2kc/kus > > Hehe diky to je naprosto cool, uz jsem to tam do navodu dal :) Ja ostatne kdyz neco kutim tak do mototechny chodim casto. Najdou se tam naprosto uzasne veci, navic v prerove je samoobsluha, takze si to v klidu projdu prohlednu a objevim spoustu pouzitelnych veci. Kdyz jsem tam byl vybirat ty gumy, tak si me vsimla prodavacka jak si vybiram a chtela mi prispet dobrou radou a lamala ze me do jakeho vozu to ma byt. :-) tak jsem ji rekl ze to ma byt do zamerovace opticke datove linky a ze si vyberu sam. No cumela jak puk, ale mel jsem od ni klid. :-) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 08:10:29 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 08:10:03 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja PCBs - STATUS Message-ID: <40861E65.1050701@poupe.net> Preji krasne rano, Takze stav tistaku... zajem vetsi nez jsme doufali.. bude se objednavat neco pres 200ks Nejvyssi kalkulaci co pragoboard ma je na >100ks... takze vypoctene ceny: Jeden tistak prijde na 125Kc vcetne DPH Vsem, ktery si nejake objednali rozeslu behem nasledujici hodiny email s poctem kusu, atd... Komu to rekneme do 11hod neprijde at se ozve. Nyni cekame az clock opravi chybku co mel v navrhu. Kneza From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 08:17:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 08:17:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] KNEZA: ALERT!!!!! In-Reply-To: <40861C21.7020300@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:00:49AM +0200 References: <20040421062412.A25719@beton.cybernet.src> <40861C21.7020300@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040421071707.B691@beton.cybernet.src> > Uffffffffffffff clocku..... > > jeste jsem to neposlal..mel jsem to v planu nekdy za chvilku (az vstanu) > > oprav to a dej vedet. pak jim to poslu a uz to bude zavazny a v poctu > asi 250ti kusu (ano...tolik si lidi objednali.. to je na 125 spoju!!!!) > takze uz by to byl velkej probleeem! Hm to je fakt husty :) Jaka bude ta cena? A jak to budete panelizovat? Volal jsem hned do Pragoboardu a snazil jsem se jim vysvetlit o co jde a pak se ukazalo ze jsi to jeste nezadal :) Ono by to vadilo jen teoreticky - je to na te strane kde se neletuje takze prakticky asi tezko - mozna by to zhorsovalo vlastnosti rozlivu kuzele na strane soucastek a podobne nesmysly. Nicmene nechat to tam je prasarna ;-) Jestli delaj potiskem pred HALem (nevim jak se to dela - je tu nekdo odbornej?) tak by to mohlo vadit te technologii (na coz by asi prisli) ;-) No uz jsem pred nejakou dobou psal Harrymu Eatonovi ze by se to tam melo dodelat a on ze ne, ze to je jako starost navrharu tech symbolu aby to tam nebylo, ale ja jsem furt tvrdil ze ten problem maj skoro vsechny a kdesi cosi, a ted uz konecne uznal ze by se to tam melo dat :) Ale chce to udelat nejak sofistikovanejc nez jsem to udelal v tom patchi ja. Jeste jsem pro jistotu pustil DRC a topologicky test a oboji probehlo OK. Uz jsem tam uploadnul tu spravnou verzi. Taky budu muset uploadnout ten patch na to :) A taky jsem se podival ze ten tistak je skutecne posledni verze ;-) No kdyz jsi rikal kolik toho budes zadavat tak mi to vrtalo hlavou a furt jsem si rikal jestli je to vse v poradku, poustel jsem jeste DRC a topologicky test, a to s tim patchem me napadlo az na posledni chvili ;-) Takze sorry za zmatky :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 08:20:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 08:20:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Update / oprava twister.zip Message-ID: <20040421072016.C691@beton.cybernet.src> Update twister.zip. There was a slightly bad version with service silkscreen print tips getting on the solderable areas. Updatujte si twister.zip. Byla tam lehce spatna verze se servisnim potiskem, jehoz konecny zasahovaly na pajeci plosky na strane soucastek. Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 08:22:58 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 08:22:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] KNEZA: ALERT!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20040421071707.B691@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040421062412.A25719@beton.cybernet.src> <40861C21.7020300@poupe.net> <20040421071707.B691@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40862152.6080506@poupe.net> Cenu jsem poslal ve statusu... co myslis slovem panelizovat? zakazku jim poslu zitra.. tak mi to kdyztak dodej do zitra na mail nebo tak abych si byl opravdu jist, ze je to to spravne ;-) Aktualne to vypada na 225ks asi ;-) chces taky nejakej? Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>Uffffffffffffff clocku..... >> >>jeste jsem to neposlal..mel jsem to v planu nekdy za chvilku (az vstanu) >> >>oprav to a dej vedet. pak jim to poslu a uz to bude zavazny a v poctu >>asi 250ti kusu (ano...tolik si lidi objednali.. to je na 125 spoju!!!!) >>takze uz by to byl velkej probleeem! > > > Hm to je fakt husty :) Jaka bude ta cena? A jak to budete panelizovat? > > Volal jsem hned do Pragoboardu a snazil jsem se jim vysvetlit o co jde a pak se > ukazalo ze jsi to jeste nezadal :) > > Ono by to vadilo jen teoreticky - je to na te strane kde se neletuje takze > prakticky asi tezko - mozna by to zhorsovalo vlastnosti rozlivu kuzele > na strane soucastek a podobne nesmysly. Nicmene nechat to tam je prasarna ;-) > > Jestli delaj potiskem pred HALem (nevim jak se to dela - je tu nekdo odbornej?) > tak by to mohlo vadit te technologii (na coz by asi prisli) ;-) > > No uz jsem pred nejakou dobou psal Harrymu Eatonovi ze by se to tam melo > dodelat a on ze ne, ze to je jako starost navrharu tech symbolu aby to tam > nebylo, ale ja jsem furt tvrdil ze ten problem maj skoro vsechny a kdesi cosi, > a ted uz konecne uznal ze by se to tam melo dat :) Ale chce to udelat nejak > sofistikovanejc nez jsem to udelal v tom patchi ja. > > Jeste jsem pro jistotu pustil DRC a topologicky test a oboji probehlo OK. Uz > jsem tam uploadnul tu spravnou verzi. Taky budu muset uploadnout ten patch na > to :) > > A taky jsem se podival ze ten tistak je skutecne posledni verze ;-) > > No kdyz jsi rikal kolik toho budes zadavat tak mi to vrtalo hlavou a furt jsem > si rikal jestli je to vse v poradku, poustel jsem jeste DRC a topologicky test, > a to s tim patchem me napadlo az na posledni chvili ;-) > > Takze sorry za zmatky :) > > Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 08:54:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 08:54:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] KNEZA: ALERT!!!!! In-Reply-To: <40862152.6080506@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:22:58AM +0200 References: <20040421062412.A25719@beton.cybernet.src> <40861C21.7020300@poupe.net> <20040421071707.B691@beton.cybernet.src> <40862152.6080506@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040421075439.B836@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:22:58AM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Cenu jsem poslal ve statusu... > co myslis slovem panelizovat? No to je ze se da vic kusu na 1 film a tim padem je vyroba levnejsi. Pak se to na konci nastriha. Panelizaci i to strihani dela vyrobce, jen se mu musi rict, ze to clovek chce. (Jsou 2 slevy: jedna za hodne kusu a jedna za to ze 1 kus ma hodne m^2) > zakazku jim poslu zitra.. tak mi to kdyztak dodej do zitra na mail nebo > tak abych si byl opravdu jist, ze je to to spravne ;-) Jeste jsem vyrobil nejaky PHP kod co dela nahledy je to tady: http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/pcb.php Jo BTW zajimalo by me jestli ta souradnicova vrtacka kterou to delaj vrta nekolik tistaku naraz - v tom videu to vypada ze jich tam nekolik naraz je :) : http://www.pragoboard.cz/download/lenz.zip Ty technicky parametry fakt rulez ;-) : http://www.pragoboard.cz/download/lenz_techdata.htm Otazka je jestli by se taky nevyplatilo udelat pri tomhle mnozstvi aspon opticky testovani. Ja jsem na tistaku mel 1 zkrat (slusla katoda te diody proti zemni plose, musel jsem to preskrabnout sroubovakem). Koukal jsem se na film a na filmu zkrat nebyl. V takovym mnozstvi tistaku je i pri rozumne chybovosti celkem pravdepodobnost ze tam nejake vady budou. > > Aktualne to vypada na 225ks asi ;-) chces taky nejakej? Ptal jsem se tady a lidi rikali ze zatim neni duvod ty AUIcka vymenovat za TPcka, tak zatim asi ne :( Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 09:27:24 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 09:26:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja PCBs - rozeslane potvrzovaci emaily Message-ID: <4086306C.6010004@poupe.net> Potvrzovaci emaily na tistaky byly rozeslany. Tak to zkontrolujte a komu neprisel dejte vedet. Kneza From chalucha at centrum.cz Wed Apr 21 09:57:11 2004 From: chalucha at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9_Chaloupka?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 09:57:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Kde sehnat =?iso-8859-2?q?poc=EDnovanej_plech=3F?= Message-ID: <40863767.7020909@centrum.cz> Koukal jsem na rozm?ry t? krabi?ky pro TP interface a nena?el jsem nikde ??dnou ji? hotovou podobn?ch rozm?r? (na rozd?l od RX a TX krabi?ek), tak?e bych r?d zjistil, kde sehnat ten poc?novan? plech na jejich v?robu, p?i nejhor??m by se to asi dalo zp?jet z cuprextitu, ale s t?m by asi byla je?t? v?t?? pr?ce. Nev?te n?kdo? From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 10:24:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 10:24:43 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_Kde_sehnat_poc=EDnovanej_plech=3F?= In-Reply-To: <40863767.7020909@centrum.cz>; from chalucha@centrum.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:57:11AM +0200 References: <40863767.7020909@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040421092434.B1053@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:57:11AM +0200, Tom?? Chaloupka wrote: > Koukal jsem na rozm?ry t? krabi?ky pro TP interface a nena?el jsem nikde > ??dnou ji? hotovou podobn?ch rozm?r? (na rozd?l od RX a TX krabi?ek), > tak?e bych r?d zjistil, kde sehnat ten poc?novan? plech na jejich > v?robu, p?i nejhor??m by se to asi dalo zp?jet z cuprextitu, ale s t?m > by asi byla je?t? v?t?? pr?ce. > Nev?te n?kdo? Muze bejt i medenej. Ten se sezene ve Ferone. Ale vzhledem k jeho cene a min. odebiranemu mnozstvi bych spis zasel do nejakych sbernych surovin, tam by ho mohli mit taky a levne (Twister v medenkove zelenem provedeni "Area 51 Alien Technology" se bude jiste dobre vyjimat :) ) Jinak se to taky muze udelat z pozinku a nebo uplne cerneho plechu ale je potreba nejake letovaci vodicky na ty rohy. Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jkrul at seznam.cz Wed Apr 21 10:48:37 2004 From: jkrul at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?Smn47SBLcnVs?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 10:48:38 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_=5BRonja=5D_Kde_sehnat_poc=EDnovanej_plech=3F?= References: <40863767.7020909@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <041b01c42785$d1edc210$0414a8c0@pc> Delam z neho anteny a tak mohu zodpovedne prohlasit tezko pocinovany plech 0.5mm je problem a jediny prodejce v CR na ktereho jsem prisel je Ferona Brno (jine Ferony ho nevedou). Pokud vite o nekom v cechach , idealne praha budu rad za kazde info. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom?? Chaloupka" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: [Ronja] Kde sehnat poc?novanej plech? Koukal jsem na rozm?ry t? krabi?ky pro TP interface a nena?el jsem nikde ??dnou ji? hotovou podobn?ch rozm?r? (na rozd?l od RX a TX krabi?ek), tak?e bych r?d zjistil, kde sehnat ten poc?novan? plech na jejich v?robu, p?i nejhor??m by se to asi dalo zp?jet z cuprextitu, ale s t?m by asi byla je?t? v?t?? pr?ce. Nev?te n?kdo? _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Apr 21 11:59:56 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Apr 21 11:59:31 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re:_[Ronja]_Kde_sehnat_poc=EDnovanej_plech=3F?= In-Reply-To: <041b01c42785$d1edc210$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <4086704C.12863.538C4@localhost> http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/946 Prakticky kazde lahudkarstvi, pixla od tzv. hollandskych susenek. On 21 Apr 2004 at 11:48, Ji ? Krul wrote: > Delam z neho anteny a tak mohu zodpovedne prohlasit tezko pocinovany plech > 0.5mm je problem a jediny prodejce v CR na ktereho jsem prisel je Ferona > Brno (jine Ferony ho nevedou). > Pokud vite o nekom v cechach , idealne praha budu rad za kazde info. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom? Chaloupka" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:57 AM > Subject: [Ronja] Kde sehnat poc?novanej plech? > > > Koukal jsem na rozm ry t? krabi ky pro TP interface a nena el jsem nikde > ?dnou ji hotovou podobn ch rozm r (na rozd?l od RX a TX krabi ek), > tak e bych r?d zjistil, kde sehnat ten poc?novan plech na jejich > v robu, p i nejhor ?m by se to asi dalo zp?jet z cuprextitu, ale s t?m > by asi byla je t v t ? pr?ce. > Nev?te n kdo? > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 13:24:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 13:24:13 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_Kde_sehnat_poc=EDnovanej_plech=3F?= In-Reply-To: <4086704C.12863.538C4@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 12:59:56PM +0200 References: <041b01c42785$d1edc210$0414a8c0@pc> <4086704C.12863.538C4@localhost> Message-ID: <20040421122411.C1233@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 12:59:56PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/946 > > Prakticky kazde lahudkarstvi, pixla od tzv. hollandskych susenek. Muzete popsat co to je za susenky? Dal jsem to do morfea a nic jsem nenasel. Ale pripominam, je spousta jinych plechu kterymi se to da nahradit (pozink v navodu uz byl a rezaty plech jsem tam pripsal ;-) ) Cl< > > On 21 Apr 2004 at 11:48, Ji ? Krul wrote: > > > Delam z neho anteny a tak mohu zodpovedne prohlasit tezko pocinovany plech > > 0.5mm je problem a jediny prodejce v CR na ktereho jsem prisel je Ferona > > Brno (jine Ferony ho nevedou). > > Pokud vite o nekom v cechach , idealne praha budu rad za kazde info. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom? Chaloupka" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:57 AM > > Subject: [Ronja] Kde sehnat poc?novanej plech? > > > > > > Koukal jsem na rozm ry t? krabi ky pro TP interface a nena el jsem nikde > > ?dnou ji hotovou podobn ch rozm r (na rozd?l od RX a TX krabi ek), > > tak e bych r?d zjistil, kde sehnat ten poc?novan plech na jejich > > v robu, p i nejhor ?m by se to asi dalo zp?jet z cuprextitu, ale s t?m > > by asi byla je t v t ? pr?ce. > > Nev?te n kdo? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 13:32:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 13:32:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: DS obvody In-Reply-To: <000a01c4279c$608a6300$020aa8c0@jirkac>; from jiri.cestr@seznam.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 02:30:03PM +0200 References: <000a01c4279c$608a6300$020aa8c0@jirkac> Message-ID: <20040421123246.D1252@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 02:30:03PM +0200, Ji?? Cestr wrote: > Zdrav?m, > m?l bych dotaz, kde jste koupil ty obvody DS26LS3x?? > Na?el jsem je v GESu, ale tam je minim?ln? odb?r 25ks / typ. AM26LS32 http://images.twibright.com/tns/eb7.html Primo nahore Musim to jeste dopsat do ekvivalentu (a dat ten seznam soucastek do materialu) Cl< > > Tak? je um?n? naj?t va?i emailovou adresu na http://ronja.twibright.com/ , tak jsem to p?ipojistil a poslal tento email na dv? adresy. > Nech?pu, co je to za m?du d?vat m?sto zavin??e slovo, hodn? lid? to mate v?etn? m?. Jestli to m? n?jak? specifick? v?znam, r?d bych se p?iu?il :-) > > S pozdravem > Ji?? Cestr From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 13:42:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 13:42:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dutinkova lista Message-ID: <20040421124246.A1324@beton.cybernet.src> Nevite prosimvas nekdo jak se rekne anglicky dutinkova lista dvourada konektorove koliky lamaci vidlice se zamkem rovna zasuvka se zamkem ? Diky, Cl< From jkrul at seznam.cz Wed Apr 21 14:27:07 2004 From: jkrul at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?Smn47SBLcnVs?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 14:27:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: DS obvody References: <000a01c4279c$608a6300$020aa8c0@jirkac> <20040421123246.D1252@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <053101c427a4$57ebaf80$0414a8c0@pc> V katalogu GM jsou 26LS32 a 26LS31 coz by melo byt to same obecne jde o 75172N RS422/423 vys?lac a 75173N RS422/423 prijimac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Ji?? Cestr" Cc: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:32 PM Subject: [Ronja] Re: DS obvody > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 02:30:03PM +0200, Ji?? Cestr wrote: > > Zdrav?m, > > m?l bych dotaz, kde jste koupil ty obvody DS26LS3x?? > > Na?el jsem je v GESu, ale tam je minim?ln? odb?r 25ks / typ. > > AM26LS32 > http://images.twibright.com/tns/eb7.html > Primo nahore > > Musim to jeste dopsat do ekvivalentu (a dat ten seznam soucastek do materialu) > > Cl< > > > > Tak? je um?n? naj?t va?i emailovou adresu na http://ronja.twibright.com/ , tak jsem to p?ipojistil a poslal tento email na dv? adresy. > > Nech?pu, co je to za m?du d?vat m?sto zavin??e slovo, hodn? lid? to mate v?etn? m?. Jestli to m? n?jak? specifick? v?znam, r?d bych se p?iu?il :-) > > > > S pozdravem > > Ji?? Cestr > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 14:58:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 14:58:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: DS obvody In-Reply-To: <053101c427a4$57ebaf80$0414a8c0@pc>; from jkrul@seznam.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:27:07PM +0200 References: <000a01c4279c$608a6300$020aa8c0@jirkac> <20040421123246.D1252@beton.cybernet.src> <053101c427a4$57ebaf80$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <20040421135853.A1465@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:27:07PM +0200, Ji?? Krul wrote: > V katalogu GM jsou 26LS32 a 26LS31 coz by melo byt to same obecne jde o > 75172N RS422/423 vys?lac a 75173N RS422/423 prijimac Umite sehnat od 75172N a 75173N datasheet? Ja to nak na googlu nemuzu najit. Nevite treba kdo to vyrabi? Cl< From kucik at net22.cz Wed Apr 21 15:02:39 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Wed Apr 21 15:01:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-1?q?poc=EDnov=E1n=E9_plechy?= Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040421160102.00a00ec0@mail.net22.cz> Koukal jsem na rozm?ry t? krabi?ky pro TP interface a nena?el jsem nikde ??dnou ji? hotovou podobn?ch rozm?r? (na rozd?l od RX a TX krabi?ek), tak?e bych r?d zjistil, kde sehnat ten poc?novan? plech na jejich v?robu, p?i nejhor??m by se to asi dalo zp?jet z cuprextitu, ale s t?m by asi byla je?t? v?t?? pr?ce. Nev?te n?kdo? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Krabku ti vyrobi v REVATECHu na miru jakou chces. ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19.4.2004 From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Wed Apr 21 15:09:39 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 15:10:45 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Re=3A=20DS=20obvody?= In-Reply-To: <20040421135853.A1465@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <100792.4820001-19175-766304175-1082556578@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Re: DS obvody Datum (Date): 21. 4. 2004 15:58 ================================================== > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:27:07PM +0200, Ji?? Krul wrote: > > V katalogu GM jsou 26LS32 a 26LS31 coz by melo byt to same obecne jde o > > 75172N RS422/423 vys?lac a 75173N RS422/423 prijimac > > Umite sehnat od 75172N a 75173N datasheet? Ja to nak na googlu nemuzu najit. > Nevite treba kdo to vyrabi? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Mrknu se ti po tom ____________________________________________________________ Pod?vej se, co uteklo ze Sazky. Cht?li to utajit. Po?li to d?l. Stahuj tady: http://uteklo.kvalitne.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73692§ion=/ From jan.martinu at post.cz Wed Apr 21 15:33:19 2004 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jan_Martin=F9?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 15:33:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: DS obvody In-Reply-To: <20040421135853.A1465@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000a01c4279c$608a6300$020aa8c0@jirkac> <20040421123246.D1252@beton.cybernet.src> <053101c427a4$57ebaf80$0414a8c0@pc> <20040421135853.A1465@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4086862F.1080505@post.cz> Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): >On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:27:07PM +0200, Ji?? Krul wrote: > > >>V katalogu GM jsou 26LS32 a 26LS31 coz by melo byt to same obecne jde o >>75172N RS422/423 vys?lac a 75173N RS422/423 prijimac >> >> > >Umite sehnat od 75172N a 75173N datasheet? Ja to nak na googlu nemuzu najit. >Nevite treba kdo to vyrabi? > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > Vyrabi Texas Instrument http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/sitesearch/advancedsearch.tsp From schum at seznam.cz Wed Apr 21 15:31:56 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 15:34:51 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Re=3A=20DS=20obvody?= In-Reply-To: <20040421135853.A1465@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <95850.181464-23921-1331528246-1082557916@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Re: DS obvody Datum (Date): 21. 4. 2004 15:58 ================================================== > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:27:07PM +0200, Ji?? Krul wrote: > > V katalogu GM jsou 26LS32 a 26LS31 coz by melo byt to same obecne jde o > > 75172N RS422/423 vys?lac a 75173N RS422/423 prijimac > > Umite sehnat od 75172N a 75173N datasheet? Ja to nak na googlu nemuzu najit. > Nevite treba kdo to vyrabi? > > Cl< zdravim podle oznaceni je to pribuzny obvodu 75176. Ten vyrabi napr. TI, obsahuje kombinaci vysiac/prijimac pro RS422/485, jestli vysila nebo prijima se ridi 0/1 na ridici noze. Presne s timto obvodem jsem testoval TP ktere tady stavelo par lidi/ myslim ze puvodne tam byla dvojice MC **86/**87/ a funguje to. Ono tech budicu/vysilacu linky by se naslo asi vice ale tady ten je bezne ke koupi asi za 20-25Kc mirek ____________________________________________________________ Nov? MP3 autor?dio Sony CDX-3300 + 20 CD-R za 6990,- K?. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73500§ion=/ From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 15:58:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 15:58:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: DS obvody In-Reply-To: <000a01c4279c$608a6300$020aa8c0@jirkac>; from jiri.cestr@seznam.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 02:30:03PM +0200 References: <000a01c4279c$608a6300$020aa8c0@jirkac> Message-ID: <20040421145818.B1932@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 02:30:03PM +0200, Ji?? Cestr wrote: > Zdrav?m, > m?l bych dotaz, kde jste koupil ty obvody DS26LS3x?? > Na?el jsem je v GESu, ale tam je minim?ln? odb?r 25ks / typ. V GM. AM26LS32. > > Tak? je um?n? naj?t va?i emailovou adresu na http://ronja.twibright.com/ , tak jsem to p?ipojistil a poslal tento email na dv? adresy. > Nech?pu, co je to za m?du d?vat m?sto zavin??e slovo, hodn? lid? to mate v?etn? m?. Jestli to m? n?jak? specifick? v?znam, r?d bych se p?iu?il :-) To je proti spambotum. Cl< > > S pozdravem > Ji?? Cestr From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 16:05:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 16:05:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Transpolis? Message-ID: <20040421150540.B1957@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I would like to ask people to comment on several names proposed for the complete Ronja with Twister. See http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/NewRonjaNames If you get an idea of your own name, please add. Cl< From kucik at net22.cz Wed Apr 21 17:53:24 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Wed Apr 21 17:51:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <20040421150540.B1957@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185142.009ecec0@mail.net22.cz> Ctel jsem 2 tistaky twistera ale mail s potvrzenim mi neprisel :-( ------------- daląí část --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 17:54:54 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 17:54:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185142.009ecec0@mail.net22.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185142.009ecec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <4086A75E.1050400@poupe.net> Hoj, nikde nic nevidim od tebe... nebyl jsi s jinym mailem? mas problem poslat penize predem na ucet? S pozdravem Michal Knezourek POUPE.NET Administrator +420 608 253 646 Martin wrote: > Ctel jsem 2 tistaky twistera ale mail s potvrzenim mi neprisel :-( > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Wed Apr 21 17:59:07 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Wed Apr 21 17:57:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <4086A75E.1050400@poupe.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185142.009ecec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185142.009ecec0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185709.009ed1e0@mail.net22.cz> Penize poslu klidne. Psal jsem to na ronja (zavinac) twibright . com tak nevim At 18:54 21.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: >Hoj, >nikde nic nevidim od tebe... >nebyl jsi s jinym mailem? >mas problem poslat penize predem na ucet? > >S pozdravem > Michal Knezourek > POUPE.NET Administrator > +420 608 253 646 > > >Martin wrote: >>Ctel jsem 2 tistaky twistera ale mail s potvrzenim mi neprisel :-( >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 ------------- daląí část --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 18:13:36 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 18:13:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185709.009ed1e0@mail.net22.cz>; from kucik@net22.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 06:59:07PM +0200 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185142.009ecec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185142.009ecec0@mail.net22.cz> <4086A75E.1050400@poupe.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185709.009ed1e0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20040421171336.B2036@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 06:59:07PM +0200, Martin wrote: > Penize poslu klidne. > Psal jsem to na ronja (zavinac) twibright . com tak nevim Tak to doslo me a ja jsem si to asi spletl s mailing listem a smazal. Jinak me to samozrejme nepatrilo :) Cl< > At 18:54 21.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > >Hoj, > >nikde nic nevidim od tebe... > >nebyl jsi s jinym mailem? > >mas problem poslat penize predem na ucet? > > > >S pozdravem > > Michal Knezourek > > POUPE.NET Administrator > > +420 608 253 646 > > > > > >Martin wrote: > >>Ctel jsem 2 tistaky twistera ale mail s potvrzenim mi neprisel :-( > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >>--- > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Wed Apr 21 18:17:54 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Wed Apr 21 18:16:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Hromadna objednavka In-Reply-To: <20040421171336.B2036@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185709.009ed1e0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185142.009ecec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185142.009ecec0@mail.net22.cz> <4086A75E.1050400@poupe.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185709.009ed1e0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040421191731.009ed9f0@mail.net22.cz> MNo a pro me to teda znamena co? At 17:13 21.4.2004 +0000, you wrote: >On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 06:59:07PM +0200, Martin wrote: > > Penize poslu klidne. > > Psal jsem to na ronja (zavinac) twibright . com tak nevim > >Tak to doslo me a ja jsem si to asi spletl s mailing listem a smazal. >Jinak me to samozrejme nepatrilo :) > >Cl< > > At 18:54 21.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > > >Hoj, > > >nikde nic nevidim od tebe... > > >nebyl jsi s jinym mailem? > > >mas problem poslat penize predem na ucet? > > > > > >S pozdravem > > > Michal Knezourek > > > POUPE.NET Administrator > > > +420 608 253 646 > > > > > > > > >Martin wrote: > > >>Ctel jsem 2 tistaky twistera ale mail s potvrzenim mi neprisel :-( > > >> > > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > > >>--- > > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >>Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > >> > > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Ronja mailing list > > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 ------------- daląí část --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 From pavkriz at gybon.cz Wed Apr 21 18:16:52 2004 From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz) Date: Wed Apr 21 18:17:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Krabicka z GM - odstineni In-Reply-To: <40858B58.7070805@gybon.cz> References: <40858B58.7070805@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <4086AC84.5020306@gybon.cz> Jeste jeden dotaz bych k tomu mel - prijde mi z fotek ze je ta krabicka docela "pomackana" jak se kotvi temi M4 srouby do tubusu. 1) Mohl bych vystuzit ty 2 boky kde jsou prave tyto srouby "prepazkou" treba z kuprexitu nebo cinovaneho plechu "paralelne" vedle stavajici steny? (asi spis dovnitr krabicky) Nebo myslite ze to za to nestoji? 2) Nevadi kdyz se na prepazky v RX pouzije kuprexit dvouvrstvy? Pavel Kriz wrote: > Ahoj - chtel jsem se zeptat zda se ma dno krabicky z GM pro RX a TX > priletovat nebo ne (neni to z fotek uplne patrne) - a pokud ano tak > jestli po cele delce kazde hrany? > > Vsiml jsem si jaky duraz se klade na kvalitni odstineni (natrihani > chlopni u vicka a podobne) a proto se ptam... > > Predem diky za odpoved, Pavel. From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 18:17:59 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 18:17:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Hromadna objednavka - VICE SOUKROME In-Reply-To: <20040421171336.B2036@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185142.009ecec0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185142.009ecec0@mail.net22.cz> <4086A75E.1050400@poupe.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20040421185709.009ed1e0@mail.net22.cz> <20040421171336.B2036@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4086ACC7.9070702@poupe.net> hehe ok ;-) plz plz .. kdo chcete resit objednavky tak uz soukrome at tu nefloodujem ;-) Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 06:59:07PM +0200, Martin wrote: > >>Penize poslu klidne. >>Psal jsem to na ronja (zavinac) twibright . com tak nevim > > > Tak to doslo me a ja jsem si to asi spletl s mailing listem a smazal. > Jinak me to samozrejme nepatrilo :) > > Cl< > >>At 18:54 21.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: >> >> >>>Hoj, >>>nikde nic nevidim od tebe... >>>nebyl jsi s jinym mailem? >>>mas problem poslat penize predem na ucet? >>> >>>S pozdravem >>> Michal Knezourek >>> POUPE.NET Administrator >>> +420 608 253 646 >>> >>> >>>Martin wrote: >>> >>>>Ctel jsem 2 tistaky twistera ale mail s potvrzenim mi neprisel :-( >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Apr 21 19:54:38 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Apr 21 19:54:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Dutinkova lista In-Reply-To: <20040421124246.A1324@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4086DF8E.28004.1480CE@localhost> Nevim, zkus omrknou tenhle anglicky katalog, je to i s obrazky. http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/catalog/browselevel1.jsp;jsessionid=XV1ZZBWB0ESQLQFIAE XCFE4AVAAS2IV3?catalogId=023000000&sort=%2BtranslatedName&level=&CAT=02 3&crumbs=A-C%7EConnectors&categories=UK0-AC%7E023000000&ImgDisp=Y On 21 Apr 2004 at 12:42, Karel Kulhav wrote: > Nevite prosimvas nekdo jak se rekne anglicky > dutinkova lista dvourada > konektorove koliky lamaci > vidlice se zamkem rovna > zasuvka se zamkem > > ? > > Diky, > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 20:07:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:07:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz>; from honza.havlicek@seznam.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200 References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: > Ahojky, > tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do ktereho by se z > jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP ktery by mel jit > klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na nic)? Nejak > netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google jsem nikde nenasel > fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. > Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero Switch? :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 20:08:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:08:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Krabicka z GM - odstineni In-Reply-To: <4086AC84.5020306@gybon.cz>; from pavkriz@gybon.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:16:52PM +0200 References: <40858B58.7070805@gybon.cz> <4086AC84.5020306@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <20040421190805.B2418@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:16:52PM +0200, Pavel Kriz wrote: > Jeste jeden dotaz bych k tomu mel - prijde mi z fotek ze je ta krabicka > docela "pomackana" jak se kotvi temi M4 srouby do tubusu. > > 1) Mohl bych vystuzit ty 2 boky kde jsou prave tyto srouby "prepazkou" > treba z kuprexitu nebo cinovaneho plechu "paralelne" vedle stavajici > steny? (asi spis dovnitr krabicky) Nebo myslite ze to za to nestoji? Muzete ale vevnitr jsou prepazky takze to tam nedostanete. Spis asi pruh prisroubovat zvenku. > > 2) Nevadi kdyz se na prepazky v RX pouzije kuprexit dvouvrstvy? Ne, tim lepe. Cl< > > Pavel Kriz wrote: > > Ahoj - chtel jsem se zeptat zda se ma dno krabicky z GM pro RX a TX > > priletovat nebo ne (neni to z fotek uplne patrne) - a pokud ano tak > > jestli po cele delce kazde hrany? > > > > Vsiml jsem si jaky duraz se klade na kvalitni odstineni (natrihani > > chlopni u vicka a podobne) a proto se ptam... > > > > Predem diky za odpoved, Pavel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 20:09:21 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:08:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz> <20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: > >>Ahojky, >>tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do ktereho by se z >>jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP ktery by mel jit >>klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na nic)? Nejak >>netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google jsem nikde nenasel >>fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. >>Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero > > > Switch? :) > > Cl< Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( Kneza > From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Apr 21 20:23:46 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:24:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> Message-ID: <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> jj z vedli cenu twistra na dvojnasobek :) mozna vic :) to je reseni Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: > >>Ahojky, >>tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do ktereho by se z >>jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP ktery by mel jit >>klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na nic)? Nejak >>netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google jsem nikde nenasel >>fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. >>Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero > > > Switch? :) > > Cl< Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( Kneza > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From dj_boy at seznam.cz Wed Apr 21 20:29:33 2004 From: dj_boy at seznam.cz (DJ_BOY) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:29:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> Message-ID: <001d01c427d6$fdc77b50$2e6abfd5@r4str> Ano, pokud by to byl obycejny switch bez managementu tak by to jelo jenom na half-duplex. :o( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Knezourek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: > >>Ahojky, >>tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do ktereho by se z >>jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP ktery by mel jit >>klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na nic)? Nejak >>netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google jsem nikde nenasel >>fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. >>Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero > > > Switch? :) > > Cl< Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( Kneza > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja __________ Informace od NOD32 1.727 (20040420) __________ Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. http://www.nod32.cz From honza.havlicek at seznam.cz Wed Apr 21 20:36:13 2004 From: honza.havlicek at seznam.cz (Kero) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:36:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz> <20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> Message-ID: <4086CD2D.2050707@seznam.cz> Myslel jsem spise neco co by proste dokazalo prodlouzit ten dosah kabelu. Switch je samozrejme reseni, ale pokud se nechci omezit na half-duplex(a zaroven nechci davat 5kkc za lepsi. Proste jen nejaky adapter, ktery by dokazal prodlouzit dosah. Jsem naprosta lama pres elektroniku. Jednine reseni ktere me napadlo byl nejaky pseudorouter s 2 TP kartama, ale ten docela zere elektriku. Jen jsem nabyl z tech mailu dojem, ze existuje nejaka jednoducha soucastka, ktera se tam strci a bude to fungovat. Jak to vypada tak ne. Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: >> >>> Ahojky, >>> tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do ktereho >>> by se z >>> jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP ktery >>> by mel jit >>> klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na >>> nic)? Nejak netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google >>> jsem nikde nenasel fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. >>> Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero >> >> >> >> Switch? :) >> >> Cl< > > > Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( > Kneza > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 20:42:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:43:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:09:21PM +0200 References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz> <20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040421194257.A2443@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > Switch? :) > > > > Cl< > > Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( > Kneza Jojo> Nepredpokladam ze by nekdo managovatelny switch pouzil jako adapter ;-) CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 20:43:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:43:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen>; from m.malusek@seznam.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:23:46PM +0200 References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:23:46PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > jj z vedli cenu twistra na dvojnasobek :) mozna vic :) to je reseni No to asi na vic, 493 soucastky a 125 tistak je 618 :) Cl< > > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: > > > >>Ahojky, > >>tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do ktereho by se > z > >>jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP ktery by > mel jit > >>klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na nic)? > Nejak > >>netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google jsem nikde > nenasel > >>fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. > >>Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero > > > > > > Switch? :) > > > > Cl< > > Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( > Kneza > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 20:46:53 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:46:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:23:46PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > >>jj z vedli cenu twistra na dvojnasobek :) mozna vic :) to je reseni > > > No to asi na vic, 493 soucastky a 125 tistak je 618 :) A 5port switch stoji 518Kc no ;-) Kneza >> >>Karel Kulhav? wrote: >> >>>On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Ahojky, >>>>tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do ktereho by se >> >>z >> >>>>jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP ktery by >> >>mel jit >> >>>>klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na nic)? >> >>Nejak >> >>>>netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google jsem nikde >> >>nenasel >> >>>>fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. >>>>Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero >>> >>> >>>Switch? :) >>> >>>Cl< >> >>Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( >>Kneza >> From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Wed Apr 21 20:47:18 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:49:10 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20RJ45=20Adapter?= In-Reply-To: <4086CD2D.2050707@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <129265.207541-12741-2071970679-1082576838@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Kero" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter Datum (Date): 21. 4. 2004 21:36 ================================================== > Myslel jsem spise neco co by proste dokazalo prodlouzit ten dosah kabelu. Switch > je samozrejme reseni, ale pokud se nechci omezit na half-duplex(a zaroven nechci > davat 5kkc za lepsi. Proste jen nejaky adapter, ktery by dokazal prodlouzit > dosah. Jsem naprosta lama pres elektroniku. Jednine reseni ktere me napadlo byl > nejaky pseudorouter s 2 TP kartama, ale ten docela zere elektriku. Jen jsem > nabyl z tech mailu dojem, ze existuje nejaka jednoducha soucastka, ktera se tam > strci a bude to fungovat. Jak to vypada tak ne. > Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero No nevim jestli nemas na mysli to trafo, ktere se dava mezi TPi (melo by ybt jeho soucasti) a sitovku. Jinak kazda sitovka trafko obsahuje. nevim proc ho tam clock nedal. Podle me to je docela podstatna vec uz jenom kvuli delce toho UTP kabelu. To trafko se da taky vymontovat z kazdy bezny stary sitovky za par korun z bazace ;) ____________________________________________________________ Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam 2.990 K?, Barcelona 5.555 K??Speci?ln? slevy letenek 35 evropsk?ch m?st. L?tejte po EU s KLM. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73630§ion=/ From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Wed Apr 21 20:47:18 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:49:13 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20RJ45=20Adapter?= In-Reply-To: <4086CD2D.2050707@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <129265.207541-12741-2071970679-1082576838@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Kero" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter Datum (Date): 21. 4. 2004 21:36 ================================================== > Myslel jsem spise neco co by proste dokazalo prodlouzit ten dosah kabelu. Switch > je samozrejme reseni, ale pokud se nechci omezit na half-duplex(a zaroven nechci > davat 5kkc za lepsi. Proste jen nejaky adapter, ktery by dokazal prodlouzit > dosah. Jsem naprosta lama pres elektroniku. Jednine reseni ktere me napadlo byl > nejaky pseudorouter s 2 TP kartama, ale ten docela zere elektriku. Jen jsem > nabyl z tech mailu dojem, ze existuje nejaka jednoducha soucastka, ktera se tam > strci a bude to fungovat. Jak to vypada tak ne. > Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero No nevim jestli nemas na mysli to trafo, ktere se dava mezi TPi (melo by ybt jeho soucasti) a sitovku. Jinak kazda sitovka trafko obsahuje. nevim proc ho tam clock nedal. Podle me to je docela podstatna vec uz jenom kvuli delce toho UTP kabelu. To trafko se da taky vymontovat z kazdy bezny stary sitovky za par korun z bazace ;) ____________________________________________________________ Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam 2.990 K?, Barcelona 5.555 K??Speci?ln? slevy letenek 35 evropsk?ch m?st. L?tejte po EU s KLM. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73630§ion=/ From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 20:50:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:51:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <4086CD2D.2050707@seznam.cz>; from honza.havlicek@seznam.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:36:13PM +0200 References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz> <20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <4086CD2D.2050707@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040421195046.C2443@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:36:13PM +0200, Kero wrote: > Myslel jsem spise neco co by proste dokazalo prodlouzit ten dosah kabelu. Switch > je samozrejme reseni, ale pokud se nechci omezit na half-duplex(a zaroven nechci > davat 5kkc za lepsi. Proste jen nejaky adapter, ktery by dokazal prodlouzit > dosah. Jsem naprosta lama pres elektroniku. Jednine reseni ktere me napadlo byl > nejaky pseudorouter s 2 TP kartama, ale ten docela zere elektriku. Jen jsem > nabyl z tech mailu dojem, ze existuje nejaka jednoducha soucastka, ktera se tam > strci a bude to fungovat. Jak to vypada tak ne. Melo by stacit vzit trafko z TP sitovky s konektorem a naletovat ho misto toho metroveho slahounu TP kabelu tak, jak je zapojene v te sitovce. Nebo to rovnou vyrvat i s kusem tistaku a RJ45 samici ;-) Ale zadna super-deluxe kvalita to nebude, to chce prekopat vic. Rozhodne to ale bude lepsi nez bez filtru. Jak bude mit delka kabelu vliv na snizeni dosahu odhadnout ted nedokazu ale na takove normalni delky bych tipoval ze to pojede rozumne. Cl< > Mejte se naprosto uzasne, Kero > > Michal Knezourek napsal(a): > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: > >> > >>> Ahojky, > >>> tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do ktereho > >>> by se z > >>> jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP ktery > >>> by mel jit > >>> klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na > >>> nic)? Nejak netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google > >>> jsem nikde nenasel fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. > >>> Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero > >> > >> > >> > >> Switch? :) > >> > >> Cl< > > > > > > Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( > > Kneza > > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 20:53:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:53:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:46:53PM +0200 References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:46:53PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:23:46PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > > > >>jj z vedli cenu twistra na dvojnasobek :) mozna vic :) to je reseni > > > > > > No to asi na vic, 493 soucastky a 125 tistak je 618 :) > A 5port switch stoji 518Kc no ;-) Mas nejakej doma? Rozeber to a zjisti co je v tom za cipy, najdi datasheet cipu co je tam 5x jako transceiver, a treba to bude mit nejakou servisni pazouru, ktera kdyz se priletuje na 5V tak to pojede ntvrdo na 10Mbps full duplex nebo neco takovyho :) Nejlepe nafot fotky closeupy celyho toho tistaku vevnitr :) Cl< > Kneza > > >> > >>Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >> > >>>On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Ahojky, > >>>>tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do ktereho by se > >> > >>z > >> > >>>>jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP ktery by > >> > >>mel jit > >> > >>>>klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na nic)? > >> > >>Nejak > >> > >>>>netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google jsem nikde > >> > >>nenasel > >> > >>>>fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. > >>>>Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero > >>> > >>> > >>>Switch? :) > >>> > >>>Cl< > >> > >>Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( > >>Kneza > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 20:59:16 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 20:58:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4086D294.9060802@poupe.net> mno mam doma 8mi port.. teoreticky do nej muzu juknout, ale az v noci.. neb tim odriznu par desitek lidi od site ;-))) Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:46:53PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > >>Karel Kulhav? wrote: >> >>>On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:23:46PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: >>> >>> >>>>jj z vedli cenu twistra na dvojnasobek :) mozna vic :) to je reseni >>> >>> >>>No to asi na vic, 493 soucastky a 125 tistak je 618 :) >> >>A 5port switch stoji 518Kc no ;-) > > > Mas nejakej doma? Rozeber to a zjisti co je v tom za cipy, najdi datasheet cipu > co je tam 5x jako transceiver, a treba to bude mit nejakou servisni pazouru, > ktera kdyz se priletuje na 5V tak to pojede ntvrdo na 10Mbps full duplex nebo > neco takovyho :) > > Nejlepe nafot fotky closeupy celyho toho tistaku vevnitr :) > > Cl< > >>Kneza >> >> >>>>Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Ahojky, >>>>>>tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do ktereho by se >>>> >>>>z >>>> >>>> >>>>>>jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP ktery by >>>> >>>>mel jit >>>> >>>> >>>>>>klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na nic)? >>>> >>>>Nejak >>>> >>>> >>>>>>netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google jsem nikde >>>> >>>>nenasel >>>> >>>> >>>>>>fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. >>>>>>Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Switch? :) >>>>> >>>>>Cl< >>>> >>>>Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( >>>>Kneza >>>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 21:18:58 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 21:18:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <4086D294.9060802@poupe.net> References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086D294.9060802@poupe.net> Message-ID: <4086D732.3020406@poupe.net> TAkze obsah 8mi portu... 4 trafa LF-H20P - http://kneza.poupe.net/ronja/LF-H20P.pdf 1 RTL8308B - http://kneza.poupe.net/ronja/rtl8308b_spec_2.0.pdf doporucuji stranu 5! 1 RTL8208 - datasheet jeste nemam, ale je "na ceste" Kneza Michal Knezourek wrote: > mno mam doma 8mi port.. teoreticky do nej muzu juknout, ale az v noci.. > neb tim odriznu par desitek lidi od site ;-))) > Kneza > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:46:53PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: >> >>> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:23:46PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> jj z vedli cenu twistra na dvojnasobek :) mozna vic :) to je reseni >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No to asi na vic, 493 soucastky a 125 tistak je 618 :) >>> >>> >>> A 5port switch stoji 518Kc no ;-) >> >> >> >> Mas nejakej doma? Rozeber to a zjisti co je v tom za cipy, najdi >> datasheet cipu >> co je tam 5x jako transceiver, a treba to bude mit nejakou servisni >> pazouru, >> ktera kdyz se priletuje na 5V tak to pojede ntvrdo na 10Mbps full >> duplex nebo >> neco takovyho :) >> >> Nejlepe nafot fotky closeupy celyho toho tistaku vevnitr :) >> >> Cl< >> >>> Kneza >>> >>> >>>>> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ahojky, >>>>>>> tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do >>>>>>> ktereho by se >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> z >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP >>>>>>> ktery by >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> mel jit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na >>>>>>> nic)? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nejak >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google jsem nikde >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> nenasel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. >>>>>>> Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Switch? :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cl< >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( >>>>> Kneza >>>>> >>> From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Wed Apr 21 21:18:32 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Wed Apr 21 21:18:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src><4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net><000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen><20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src><4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002501c427dd$d1b25ec0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> http://www.cipis.net/ovislink/1120AP/RTL8305SB/ Cipis > > Mas nejakej doma? Rozeber to a zjisti co je v tom za cipy, najdi datasheet cipu > co je tam 5x jako transceiver, a treba to bude mit nejakou servisni pazouru, > ktera kdyz se priletuje na 5V tak to pojede ntvrdo na 10Mbps full duplex nebo > neco takovyho :) > > Nejlepe nafot fotky closeupy celyho toho tistaku vevnitr :) > > Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 21:27:44 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 21:27:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <4086D732.3020406@poupe.net> References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086D294.9060802@poupe.net> <4086D732.3020406@poupe.net> Message-ID: <4086D940.5030000@poupe.net> RTL8208 - http://kneza.poupe.net/ronja/rtl8316_rtl8208_schematic_v1.4osc.zip , http://kneza.poupe.net/ronja/rtl8208spec_1.96.pdf Kneza Michal Knezourek wrote: > TAkze obsah 8mi portu... > 4 trafa LF-H20P - http://kneza.poupe.net/ronja/LF-H20P.pdf > 1 RTL8308B - http://kneza.poupe.net/ronja/rtl8308b_spec_2.0.pdf > doporucuji stranu 5! > 1 RTL8208 - datasheet jeste nemam, ale je "na ceste" > > Kneza > > > Michal Knezourek wrote: > >> mno mam doma 8mi port.. teoreticky do nej muzu juknout, ale az v >> noci.. neb tim odriznu par desitek lidi od site ;-))) >> Kneza >> >> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:46:53PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: >>> >>>> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:23:46PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> jj z vedli cenu twistra na dvojnasobek :) mozna vic :) to je reseni >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No to asi na vic, 493 soucastky a 125 tistak je 618 :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A 5port switch stoji 518Kc no ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mas nejakej doma? Rozeber to a zjisti co je v tom za cipy, najdi >>> datasheet cipu >>> co je tam 5x jako transceiver, a treba to bude mit nejakou servisni >>> pazouru, >>> ktera kdyz se priletuje na 5V tak to pojede ntvrdo na 10Mbps full >>> duplex nebo >>> neco takovyho :) >>> >>> Nejlepe nafot fotky closeupy celyho toho tistaku vevnitr :) >>> >>> Cl< >>> >>>> Kneza >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ahojky, >>>>>>>> tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do >>>>>>>> ktereho by se >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> z >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP >>>>>>>> ktery by >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> mel jit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to >>>>>>>> na nic)? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Nejak >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google jsem >>>>>>>> nikde >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> nenasel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. >>>>>>>> Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Switch? :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cl< >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( >>>>>> Kneza >>>>>> >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 21:34:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 21:34:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <4086D294.9060802@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:59:16PM +0200 References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086D294.9060802@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040421203432.B2594@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:59:16PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > mno mam doma 8mi port.. teoreticky do nej muzu juknout, ale az v noci.. > neb tim odriznu par desitek lidi od site ;-))) Tak se koukni, nacvakej z co nejvetsi blizkosti aby byly dobre videt popisky cipu a vsechny cipy na desce, a pak to zase zavri a pust a postni ty fotky PLS :) Co to je za vyrobce a typ ten switch 8-port co mas doma a co je ten 5-port o kterym jsi mluvil? Cl< From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 21:47:28 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 21:47:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <20040421203432.B2594@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086D294.9060802@poupe.net> <20040421203432.B2594@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4086DDE0.1040704@poupe.net> jsou to standart edimaxy.... svaby jsou stejny, ale jeden je pro 5 port adruhej pro osmi... mimochodem zajimava nozka: ENFCTRL I 112 Enable Full Duplex Flow Control: Pulled low internally default, Flow Control is enabled. The flow control ability will write to management register 4 of PHY device one and only one time after power-on reset, for advertising. When pulled low upon reset, the flow control function will be disabled. co ty na to? Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:59:16PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > >>mno mam doma 8mi port.. teoreticky do nej muzu juknout, ale az v noci.. >>neb tim odriznu par desitek lidi od site ;-))) > > > Tak se koukni, nacvakej z co nejvetsi blizkosti aby byly dobre videt popisky > cipu a vsechny cipy na desce, a pak to zase zavri a pust a postni ty fotky > PLS :) > > Co to je za vyrobce a typ ten switch 8-port co mas doma a co je ten 5-port > o kterym jsi mluvil? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 21:52:40 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 21:52:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <4086D732.3020406@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:18:58PM +0200 References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086D294.9060802@poupe.net> <4086D732.3020406@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040421205240.B2654@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:18:58PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > TAkze obsah 8mi portu... > 4 trafa LF-H20P - http://kneza.poupe.net/ronja/LF-H20P.pdf > 1 RTL8308B - http://kneza.poupe.net/ronja/rtl8308b_spec_2.0.pdf > doporucuji stranu 5! > 1 RTL8208 - datasheet jeste nemam, ale je "na ceste" Heh jdu spat ale zbezne jsem to prohlid: stavy tech portu se zrejme pri zapnuti nasavaj z 24LC02 eeprom ktera se da programovat z paralelniho portu primo v zapnutem switchi pripojenim se na 3 draty (SDA, SCL a zem). Mate nekdo na to programator? Nebo je to obyc I2C? Cl< > > Kneza > > > Michal Knezourek wrote: > > mno mam doma 8mi port.. teoreticky do nej muzu juknout, ale az v noci.. > > neb tim odriznu par desitek lidi od site ;-))) > > Kneza > > > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:46:53PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > >> > >>> Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:23:46PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> jj z vedli cenu twistra na dvojnasobek :) mozna vic :) to je reseni > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> No to asi na vic, 493 soucastky a 125 tistak je 618 :) > >>> > >>> > >>> A 5port switch stoji 518Kc no ;-) > >> > >> > >> > >> Mas nejakej doma? Rozeber to a zjisti co je v tom za cipy, najdi > >> datasheet cipu > >> co je tam 5x jako transceiver, a treba to bude mit nejakou servisni > >> pazouru, > >> ktera kdyz se priletuje na 5V tak to pojede ntvrdo na 10Mbps full > >> duplex nebo > >> neco takovyho :) > >> > >> Nejlepe nafot fotky closeupy celyho toho tistaku vevnitr :) > >> > >> Cl< > >> > >>> Kneza > >>> > >>> > >>>>> Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 07:51:58PM +0200, Kero wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ahojky, > >>>>>>> tady v tom mailu jste se bavili o nejakem adapteru, ktery do > >>>>>>> ktereho by se > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> z > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> jedne strany strcil 1m TP z twistra a do druheho nejaky kus TP > >>>>>>> ktery by > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> mel jit > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> klidne na 50metru. Mohl by jsi dodat odkaz(nebo rici, ze je to na > >>>>>>> nic)? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Nejak > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> netusim, co to je, nikde v CR jsem to nenasel(a na google jsem nikde > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> nenasel > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> fotku). Pokud neznas tak nevadi. > >>>>>>> Mej se naprosto uzasne, Kero > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Switch? :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cl< > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Tim by jsme ale omezili prutok ronji na half-duplex, ne? ;-( > >>>>> Kneza > >>>>> > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 21:55:09 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 21:55:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <4086DDE0.1040704@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:47:28PM +0200 References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086D294.9060802@poupe.net> <20040421203432.B2594@beton.cybernet.src> <4086DDE0.1040704@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040421205509.C2654@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:47:28PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > jsou to standart edimaxy.... > svaby jsou stejny, ale jeden je pro 5 port adruhej pro osmi... > > mimochodem zajimava nozka: > > ENFCTRL I 112 Enable Full Duplex Flow Control: Pulled low internally > default, Flow Control is enabled. The flow control ability will > write to management register 4 of PHY device one and only > one time after power-on reset, for advertising. When pulled > low upon reset, the flow control function will be disabled. Ne to je MAC flow control nebo tak neco. Zajimavy je cut-through, to zmensuje round-trip :) Paket se zacne odesilat jeste nez se cely prijal :) FD se zda se programuje v EEPROM (softwarove). Kolik % switchu na trhu ma tyhle Whole-Crap-On-Chip (TM) rtl 8305 a 8308? Neni to nahodou vetsina jako je 8139 u sitovek? :) Pokud ano tak by to stalo za to ohackovat :) Cl< > > co ty na to? > > Kneza > > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:59:16PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > > > >>mno mam doma 8mi port.. teoreticky do nej muzu juknout, ale az v noci.. > >>neb tim odriznu par desitek lidi od site ;-))) > > > > > > Tak se koukni, nacvakej z co nejvetsi blizkosti aby byly dobre videt popisky > > cipu a vsechny cipy na desce, a pak to zase zavri a pust a postni ty fotky > > PLS :) > > > > Co to je za vyrobce a typ ten switch 8-port co mas doma a co je ten 5-port > > o kterym jsi mluvil? > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kneza at poupe.net Wed Apr 21 21:57:05 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Wed Apr 21 21:56:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <20040421205509.C2654@beton.cybernet.src> References: <4086B4BE.6050700@seznam.cz><20040421190701.A2418@beton.cybernet.src> <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086D294.9060802@poupe.net> <20040421203432.B2594@beton.cybernet.src> <4086DDE0.1040704@poupe.net> <20040421205509.C2654@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <4086E021.2030209@poupe.net> jo je to vetsina... ;-) je to presna situace jako 8139ka ;-) maj to vsechny ediky, acorpy, maji to v sobe ap od ovislinka, atd... Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:47:28PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > >>jsou to standart edimaxy.... >>svaby jsou stejny, ale jeden je pro 5 port adruhej pro osmi... >> >>mimochodem zajimava nozka: >> >>ENFCTRL I 112 Enable Full Duplex Flow Control: Pulled low internally >>default, Flow Control is enabled. The flow control ability will >>write to management register 4 of PHY device one and only >>one time after power-on reset, for advertising. When pulled >>low upon reset, the flow control function will be disabled. > > > Ne to je MAC flow control nebo tak neco. > > Zajimavy je cut-through, to zmensuje round-trip :) Paket se zacne > odesilat jeste nez se cely prijal :) > > FD se zda se programuje v EEPROM (softwarove). > > Kolik % switchu na trhu ma tyhle Whole-Crap-On-Chip (TM) rtl 8305 > a 8308? Neni to nahodou vetsina jako je 8139 u sitovek? :) > > Pokud ano tak by to stalo za to ohackovat :) > > Cl< > >>co ty na to? >> >>Kneza >> >>Karel Kulhav? wrote: >> >>>On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:59:16PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: >>> >>> >>>>mno mam doma 8mi port.. teoreticky do nej muzu juknout, ale az v noci.. >>>>neb tim odriznu par desitek lidi od site ;-))) >>> >>> >>>Tak se koukni, nacvakej z co nejvetsi blizkosti aby byly dobre videt popisky >>>cipu a vsechny cipy na desce, a pak to zase zavri a pust a postni ty fotky >>>PLS :) >>> >>>Co to je za vyrobce a typ ten switch 8-port co mas doma a co je ten 5-port >>>o kterym jsi mluvil? >>> >>>Cl< >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 21 22:15:32 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 21 22:15:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RJ45 Adapter In-Reply-To: <4086E021.2030209@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:57:05PM +0200 References: <4086C6E1.3080509@poupe.net> <000f01c427d6$2ae5bbc0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040421194347.B2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086CFAD.7020807@poupe.net> <20040421195321.D2443@beton.cybernet.src> <4086D294.9060802@poupe.net> <20040421203432.B2594@beton.cybernet.src> <4086DDE0.1040704@poupe.net> <20040421205509.C2654@beton.cybernet.src> <4086E021.2030209@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040421211532.A2704@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:57:05PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > jo je to vetsina... ;-) je to presna situace jako 8139ka ;-) > maj to vsechny ediky, acorpy, maji to v sobe ap od ovislinka, atd... Super. To se musi ohackovat. :) Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Wed Apr 21 22:25:07 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Wed Apr 21 22:25:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede References: <000501c420cb$4c7b85b0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Tak u? m?m "?erven? EL31-01SURC", sv?t? to jak kr?va, vid?m sam? fleky, teda sp?? nevid?m :-) Datasheet: http://www.cipis.net/ronja/31-01SURC.pdf Te?e do n? 100 mA p?i tom 1 MHz, tak to budu muset trochu po?telovat, ale a? z?tra. M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu p?eh?n?m :-) Cipis P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Mal??ek" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede to jsi tam mel asi neco jako ja, z GM, podobne cislo ale dosah mizernej :) muzes zkusit i infra, na testy to staci. nekde tady na mailing listu je psano jaka, me to sni jede dobre, hlavne se da celkem dobre sehnat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mita" To: "'Twibright Ronja'" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: RE: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede Bacha na ty diody. M?l sem tam podobnou originalu ale jantarovou (ma asi polovicni v?kon) a jelo to sotva na 50cm. Po v?m?n? za oran?ovou se dosah zvedl na 165cm. Asi i ta fotodioda je v tom cevenem pasmu citlivejsi. -----Original Message----- From: ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net [mailto:ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Cipis Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:58 PM To: Twibright Ronja Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede Bol? mne z?da jak svi?a ... Ale u? mi n?co jede :-) V?era jsem dop?jel jedno Tx a dneska jedno Rx. M?m tam oproti n?vodu jinou LEDku, je to ?lut?(!) EL31-01UYC od EVERLIGHT, ?erven? EL31-01SURC by byla zcela jist? lep??, ale Bu?ek je nem?l :-(. Co tam m?m za fotodiodu bohu?el nev?m, proto?e jsem ztratil ??et, ale bude to n?co B cosi :-) Bez optiky mi to jede na 20-25 cm, nic jsem nenastavoval (zat?m), i kdy? se n?kter? hodnoty li?? o max. p?l Voltu, jedin?, co jsem zm?nil, tak jsem vyhodil nap?jen? po koaxu. Ehm, to "jede" znamen?, ?e na v?stupu Rx nam???m 1 MHz obd?ln?k osciloskopem. No, n?jak? fotky jsou na www.cipis.net/ronja , ale jsou to origin?ly (6 MB!), proto?e jsem m?l stra?nou radost, ?e to n?jak fach? a tak rad?i pokra?uju v krasoj?zd? ne? by se babral se zmen?ov?n?m. Na m???ku je RSSI a na osc. 1 MHz z v?stupu Rx. TP modul je model highlander. Jdu si hr?t d?l ... Cipis _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From schum at seznam.cz Thu Apr 22 08:29:56 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 08:31:55 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Cipisova=20RONJA=20WAS=3ARe=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20tak=20uz=20mi=20neco=20jede?= In-Reply-To: <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Cipis" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede Datum (Date): 21. 4. 2004 23:25 ================================================== > Tak u? m?m "?erven? EL31-01SURC", sv?t? to jak kr?va, vid?m sam? fleky, teda > sp?? nevid?m :-) > Datasheet: http://www.cipis.net/ronja/31-01SURC.pdf > Te?e do n? 100 mA p?i tom 1 MHz, tak to budu muset trochu po?telovat, ale a? > z?tra. > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu p?eh?n?m > :-) > > Cipis > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus ahoj testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli tomu zatopis jeste vic? mirek ____________________________________________________________ Pod?vej se, co uteklo ze Sazky. Cht?li to utajit. Po?li to d?l. Stahuj tady: http://uteklo.kvalitne.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73692§ion=/ From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Apr 22 08:43:46 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Apr 22 08:43:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> References: <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <200404220943.46673.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? Jake jsou alespon predbezne vysledky? S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 08:56:11 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 08:56:16 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Switch Message-ID: <20040422075611.A30293@beton.cybernet.src> Cau lidi Nemate prosimvas nekdo prebytecnej switch 5- nebo 8-port 10/100 s Realtekem 8308 nebo 8305 vevnitr? Cl< From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Apr 22 09:40:58 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Thu Apr 22 09:41:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister Board Manufacturing References: Message-ID: <3059.1082623258@www11.gmx.net> Hi ! Can i order some boards ? What does one cost approx ?!? Regards, Sigi -- NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgebühr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Apr 22 11:11:07 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Apr 22 11:11:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA References: <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <002a01c42852$212c57c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Hups, j? to pl?noval sn??it na t?ch 70 mA :-) Nechat to sv?tit t?ma 100 mA, no nev?m, jak dlouho to vydr?? .... Aby to pak necht?lo n?jak? zasouvac? modul s LEDkou, kter? se bude m?nit ka?d?ho p?l roku :-) Co si p?edstavujete pod tou 1/10 p?i 1kHz???? M???k m??? st?edn? hodnotu, v klidu tam b??? obd?ln?k, tak ty ?pi?ky budou je?t? v?t??..... Testy budu d?lat a? o v?kendu, nest?h?m. Zat?m ve?ker? m??en? zkou??m tak, ?e na v?stupu Rx kontroluju osciloskopem 1MHz obd?ln?k. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "schumann miroslav" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Cipis" Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede Datum (Date): 21. 4. 2004 23:25 ================================================== > Tak u? m?m "?erven? EL31-01SURC", sv?t? to jak kr?va, vid?m sam? fleky, teda > sp?? nevid?m :-) > Datasheet: http://www.cipis.net/ronja/31-01SURC.pdf > Te?e do n? 100 mA p?i tom 1 MHz, tak to budu muset trochu po?telovat, ale a? > z?tra. > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu p?eh?n?m > :-) > > Cipis > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus ahoj testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli tomu zatopis jeste vic? mirek ____________________________________________________________ Pod?vej se, co uteklo ze Sazky. Cht?li to utajit. Po?li to d?l. Stahuj tady: http://uteklo.kvalitne.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73692§ion=/ _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Apr 22 13:28:16 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Apr 22 13:28:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA References: <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> <002a01c42852$212c57c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <001601c42865$4a4bb520$0101a8c0@cz> Vis ono to neni jen o vykonu LED...i kdyz ta je vic nez dobra. Taky jde o celkovou optiku dane LED. A zatim HP jdou "naladit" na co nejmensi dopadovej prumer (cca 80m na 1km). Treba ta infra LED co jsem zkousel je sice vykonejsi (130mA), ale nema ty prave opticke vlastnosti pro zamereni. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA > Hups, j? to pl?noval sn??it na t?ch 70 mA :-) > Nechat to sv?tit t?ma 100 mA, no nev?m, jak dlouho to vydr?? .... > Aby to pak necht?lo n?jak? zasouvac? modul s LEDkou, kter? se bude m?nit > ka?d?ho p?l roku :-) > > Co si p?edstavujete pod tou 1/10 p?i 1kHz???? > > M???k m??? st?edn? hodnotu, v klidu tam b??? obd?ln?k, tak ty ?pi?ky budou > je?t? v?t??..... > > Testy budu d?lat a? o v?kendu, nest?h?m. > > Zat?m ve?ker? m??en? zkou??m tak, ?e na v?stupu Rx kontroluju osciloskopem > 1MHz obd?ln?k. > > > Cipis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "schumann miroslav" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede > > > ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= > Od (From): "Cipis" > Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" > Kopie (Cc): > P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco > jede > Datum (Date): 21. 4. 2004 23:25 > ================================================== > > > Tak u? m?m "?erven? EL31-01SURC", sv?t? to jak kr?va, vid?m sam? fleky, > teda > > sp?? nevid?m :-) > > Datasheet: http://www.cipis.net/ronja/31-01SURC.pdf > > Te?e do n? 100 mA p?i tom 1 MHz, tak to budu muset trochu po?telovat, ale > a? > > z?tra. > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu > p?eh?n?m > > :-) > > > > Cipis > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > ahoj > > testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? > dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli tomu > zatopis jeste vic? > > > mirek > ____________________________________________________________ > Pod?vej se, co uteklo ze Sazky. Cht?li to utajit. Po?li to d?l. Stahuj > tady: http://uteklo.kvalitne.cz > http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73692§ion=/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 14:11:22 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 14:11:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: SURC In-Reply-To: <20040421212647.B2737@beton.cybernet.src>; from clock@twibright.com on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:26:47PM +0000 References: <20040421212647.B2737@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040422131122.A30537@beton.cybernet.src> > http://www.cipis.net/ronja/31-01SURC.pdf > Bucek za 19 Kc Typicky tok 1.3 lumenu @70mA, min. tok 0.5 lumenu @70mA HPWT-BD00-E4000 ma asi 4.5 lumenu @70mA, min. tok 2.5 lumenu @70mA Takze to je totalni sracka. Skoda. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 14:13:29 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 14:13:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 11:25:07PM +0200 References: <000501c420cb$4c7b85b0$0103450a@thechosen> <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040422131329.B30537@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 11:25:07PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > Tak u? m?m "?erven? EL31-01SURC", sv?t? to jak kr?va, vid?m sam? fleky, teda > sp?? nevid?m :-) > Datasheet: http://www.cipis.net/ronja/31-01SURC.pdf > Te?e do n? 100 mA p?i tom 1 MHz, tak to budu muset trochu po?telovat, ale a? ^^^^^^ > z?tra. Absolute maximum ratings: Forward DC current: 70mA. Cl< > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu p?eh?n?m > :-) > > Cipis > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michal Mal??ek" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede > > > to jsi tam mel asi neco jako ja, z GM, podobne cislo ale dosah mizernej :) > muzes zkusit i infra, na testy to staci. nekde tady na mailing listu je > psano jaka, me to sni jede dobre, hlavne se da celkem dobre sehnat. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mita" > To: "'Twibright Ronja'" > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:12 PM > Subject: RE: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede > > > Bacha na ty diody. M?l sem tam podobnou originalu ale jantarovou (ma asi > polovicni v?kon) a jelo to sotva na 50cm. Po v?m?n? za oran?ovou se dosah > zvedl na 165cm. Asi i ta fotodioda je v tom cevenem pasmu citlivejsi. > -----Original Message----- > From: ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net > [mailto:ronja-bounces+xmita=seznam.cz@lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of > Cipis > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:58 PM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede > > Bol? mne z?da jak svi?a ... > Ale u? mi n?co jede :-) > V?era jsem dop?jel jedno Tx a dneska jedno Rx. > M?m tam oproti n?vodu jinou LEDku, je to ?lut?(!) EL31-01UYC od EVERLIGHT, > ?erven? EL31-01SURC by byla zcela jist? lep??, ale Bu?ek je nem?l :-(. Co > tam m?m za fotodiodu bohu?el nev?m, proto?e jsem ztratil ??et, ale bude to > n?co B cosi :-) > Bez optiky mi to jede na 20-25 cm, nic jsem nenastavoval (zat?m), i kdy? se > n?kter? hodnoty li?? o max. p?l Voltu, jedin?, co jsem zm?nil, tak jsem > vyhodil nap?jen? po koaxu. > Ehm, to "jede" znamen?, ?e na v?stupu Rx nam???m 1 MHz obd?ln?k > osciloskopem. > No, n?jak? fotky jsou na www.cipis.net/ronja , ale jsou to origin?ly (6 > MB!), proto?e jsem m?l stra?nou radost, ?e to n?jak fach? a tak rad?i > pokra?uju v krasoj?zd? ne? by se babral se zmen?ov?n?m. Na m???ku je RSSI a > na osc. 1 MHz z v?stupu Rx. TP modul je model highlander. > Jdu si hr?t d?l ... > > Cipis > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Thu Apr 22 15:54:34 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Thu Apr 22 15:53:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Cipisova=20RONJA=20WAS=3ARe=3A=20=5B Ronja=5D=20tak=20uz=20mi=20neco=20jede?= In-Reply-To: <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> References: <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> At 09:29 22.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: >================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= >Od (From): "Cipis" >Komu (To): "Twibright Ronja" >Kopie (Cc): >P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede >Datum (Date): 21. 4. 2004 23:25 >================================================== > > > Tak u? m?m "?erven? EL31-01SURC", sv?t? to jak kr?va, vid?m sam? fleky, > teda > > sp?? nevid?m :-) > > Datasheet: http://www.cipis.net/ronja/31-01SURC.pdf > > Te?e do n? 100 mA p?i tom 1 MHz, tak to budu muset trochu po?telovat, > ale a? > > z?tra. > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu p?eh?n?m > > :-) > > > > Cipis > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > >ahoj > >testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? >dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli tomu >zatopis jeste vic? Hele proc se tam pouziva tahle slepenina z 7404 docela to zkracuje jejich zivotnost proc se nepouziva budic? >mirek >____________________________________________________________ >Pod?vej se, co uteklo ze Sazky. Cht?li to utajit. Po?li to d?l. Stahuj >tady: http://uteklo.kvalitne.cz >http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73692§ion=/ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 16:17:15 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 16:17:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz>; from kucik@net22.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 04:54:34PM +0200 References: <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20040422151715.A30643@beton.cybernet.src> > > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu p?eh?n?m > > > :-) > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > > > >ahoj > > > >testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? > >dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli tomu > >zatopis jeste vic? > > Hele proc se tam pouziva tahle slepenina z 7404 docela to zkracuje jejich > zivotnost proc se nepouziva budic? Jakym mechanismem to zkracuje jejich zivotnost? Jaky budic mas na mysli? Cl< From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Thu Apr 22 16:54:07 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 16:54:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] filmy pro Rx SMD u Kohouta Message-ID: <205560.699372-4240-359869173-1082649247@seznam.cz> Filmy pro SMD Rx (http://k-j.skontorp.net/ronja/ronja.html) jsou uz u Kohouta. Plosne spoje jsem u nej uz nechal vyrobit a nechal jsem u nej filmy pro pripadne dalsi zajemce. Filmy jsou u Kohouta (Kohout Jiri, Nosicka 16, P-10) pod oznacenim: "SMD Rx 1.0". Filmy jiz tedy platit nemusite ani mu posilat navrhy. Obycejny postribreny spoj vyjde asi na 47Kc a postribreny asi na 59 (+/- 5Kc). SMD Tx jsem u nej jeste nenechal delat, ale to prijde na radu pristi tyden ;) Hodne uspechu s SMD Rx preje Damir ?poljari? as neo10 :) ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742§ion=/ From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Thu Apr 22 17:03:14 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 17:03:19 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20filmy=20pro=20Rx=20SMD=20u=20Kohouta?= In-Reply-To: <205560.699372-4240-359869173-1082649247@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <201983.237173-15750-198917118-1082649794@seznam.cz> Oprava v cenach DPS: Obycejny DPS - 47,- postribreny DPS - 59,- (+/- 5,-) ____________________________________________________________ Pod?vej se, co uteklo ze Sazky. Cht?li to utajit. Po?li to d?l. Stahuj tady: http://uteklo.kvalitne.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73692§ion=/ From kneza at poupe.net Thu Apr 22 17:05:29 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Thu Apr 22 17:05:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] filmy pro Rx SMD u Kohouta In-Reply-To: <201983.237173-15750-198917118-1082649794@seznam.cz> References: <201983.237173-15750-198917118-1082649794@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4087ED49.8050904@poupe.net> Mas nekde nejake fotky samotneho tistaku/osazeneho ? Jake vlastnosti ty tistaky maji co se tyka dosahu, ...? Kneza Damir ?poljari? wrote: > Oprava v cenach DPS: > Obycejny DPS - 47,- > postribreny DPS - 59,- > (+/- 5,-) From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Thu Apr 22 17:07:33 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 17:07:40 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20filmy=20pro=20Rx=20SMD=20u=20Kohouta?= In-Reply-To: <4087ED49.8050904@poupe.net> Message-ID: <189759.179298-12742-666831512-1082650053@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Michal Knezourek" Komu (To): "Damir ?poljari?" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] filmy pro Rx SMD u Kohouta Datum (Date): 22. 4. 2004 18:05 ================================================== > Mas nekde nejake fotky samotneho tistaku/osazeneho ? > Jake vlastnosti ty tistaky maji co se tyka dosahu, ...? > > Kneza > > Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > Oprava v cenach DPS: > > Obycejny DPS - 47,- > > postribreny DPS - 59,- > > (+/- 5,-) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Tistaky navrhoval Karl Jan Skontorp. Je to prozatim jedina verze, ktera je stejne citliva jako vrabci hnizdo!!!!. na http://k-j.skontorp.net/ronja/ronja.html je soubor, kde je cely popis dokonce i fotografie. Jeden spoj uz na SMD Rx bezi u Ondry Tesare, ktery to se Skontorpem navrhoval. ____________________________________________________________ Pod?vej se, co uteklo ze Sazky. Cht?li to utajit. Po?li to d?l. Stahuj tady: http://uteklo.kvalitne.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73692§ion=/ From kucik at net22.cz Thu Apr 22 17:22:12 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Thu Apr 22 17:20:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <20040422151715.A30643@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz> At 15:17 22.4.2004 +0000, you wrote: > > > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu > p?eh?n?m > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > > > > > > >ahoj > > > > > >testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? > > >dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli tomu > > >zatopis jeste vic? > > > > Hele proc se tam pouziva tahle slepenina z 7404 docela to zkracuje jejich > > zivotnost proc se nepouziva budic? > >Jakym mechanismem to zkracuje jejich zivotnost? Nas ve skole ucili ze zadnej integrac neni dokonalej a pri takovim zapojeni jde pres nejakou negaci treba zpetnej proud to ji muze odpalit a potom to ssebou vezme i ostatni zivotnost u 74xxx se zkracuje zhruba na 2 roky. >Jaky budic mas na mysli? Taky mi rikali ze na tohle se pouzivaji budice diod ktery by meli stat zhruba stejne. >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Apr 22 18:02:46 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 18:03:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net><130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <002301c4288b$a3568ca0$0103450a@thechosen> ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej proud tam moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo ael takhle? ale nevim :) -------------------- > > > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu > p?eh?n?m > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > > > > > > >ahoj > > > > > >testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? > > >dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli tomu > > >zatopis jeste vic? > > > > Hele proc se tam pouziva tahle slepenina z 7404 docela to zkracuje jejich > > zivotnost proc se nepouziva budic? > >Jakym mechanismem to zkracuje jejich zivotnost? Nas ve skole ucili ze zadnej integrac neni dokonalej a pri takovim zapojeni jde pres nejakou negaci treba zpetnej proud to ji muze odpalit a potom to ssebou vezme i ostatni zivotnost u 74xxx se zkracuje zhruba na 2 roky. >Jaky budic mas na mysli? Taky mi rikali ze na tohle se pouzivaji budice diod ktery by meli stat zhruba stejne. From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Apr 22 18:04:53 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 18:05:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA References: <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><002a01c42852$212c57c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <001601c42865$4a4bb520$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <003d01c4288b$ee4c27b0$0103450a@thechosen> 80m na kilak? tak to je celkem hodne ja cekal ze to je min. nemeril si to neja :)) u tech infra? takze se nemam bat toho ze se mi naaahodou pri mim stesti povede naladit rovnobeznej paprsek kterym netrefim nic? :) ] Cipisova RONJA Vis ono to neni jen o vykonu LED...i kdyz ta je vic nez dobra. Taky jde o celkovou optiku dane LED. A zatim HP jdou "naladit" na co nejmensi dopadovej prumer (cca 80m na 1km). Treba ta infra LED co jsem zkousel je sice vykonejsi (130mA), ale nema ty prave opticke vlastnosti pro zamereni. -=RYS=- From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Apr 22 18:14:18 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Apr 22 18:14:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: SURC References: <20040421212647.B2737@beton.cybernet.src> <20040422131122.A30537@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004701c4288d$3eef81c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Jo, j? to od Bucka koupil, ze to m? 2,5 :-) No uvid?m, jak se to osvedc?.... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: [Ronja] Re: SURC > > http://www.cipis.net/ronja/31-01SURC.pdf > > Bucek za 19 Kc > > Typicky tok 1.3 lumenu @70mA, min. tok 0.5 lumenu @70mA > HPWT-BD00-E4000 ma asi 4.5 lumenu @70mA, min. tok 2.5 lumenu @70mA > > Takze to je totalni sracka. Skoda. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Thu Apr 22 18:32:03 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Thu Apr 22 18:30:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <002301c4288b$a3568ca0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz> At 19:02 22.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: >ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej proud tam >moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo ael takhle? ale >nevim :) Nic nema nekonecnej odpor anic nema nulovej odpor ;) Tudiz dle meho dycky tam neco bloudi a tece kor kdyz tam je 3x5=15 noh spajenejch dohromady v tomhle pripade dokonce 25 >-------------------- > > > > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu > > p?eh?n?m > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > > > > > > > > > >ahoj > > > > > > > >testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? > > > >dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli tomu > > > >zatopis jeste vic? > > > > > > Hele proc se tam pouziva tahle slepenina z 7404 docela to zkracuje >jejich > > > zivotnost proc se nepouziva budic? > > > >Jakym mechanismem to zkracuje jejich zivotnost? > >Nas ve skole ucili ze zadnej integrac neni dokonalej a pri takovim zapojeni >jde pres nejakou negaci treba zpetnej proud to ji muze odpalit a potom to >ssebou vezme i ostatni zivotnost u 74xxx se zkracuje zhruba na 2 roky. > > >Jaky budic mas na mysli? > >Taky mi rikali ze na tohle se pouzivaji budice diod ktery by meli stat >zhruba stejne. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 From m.malusek at seznam.cz Thu Apr 22 19:00:23 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:00:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen> mno moc to nechapu, mam za sebou zatim jen 5let na felu, zkus to lip vysvetlit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin" To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede At 19:02 22.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: >ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej proud tam >moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo ael takhle? ale >nevim :) Nic nema nekonecnej odpor anic nema nulovej odpor ;) Tudiz dle meho dycky tam neco bloudi a tece kor kdyz tam je 3x5=15 noh spajenejch dohromady v tomhle pripade dokonce 25 >-------------------- > > > > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu > > p?eh?n?m > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > > > > > > > > > >ahoj > > > > > > > >testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? > > > >dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli tomu > > > >zatopis jeste vic? > > > > > > Hele proc se tam pouziva tahle slepenina z 7404 docela to zkracuje >jejich > > > zivotnost proc se nepouziva budic? > > > >Jakym mechanismem to zkracuje jejich zivotnost? > >Nas ve skole ucili ze zadnej integrac neni dokonalej a pri takovim zapojeni >jde pres nejakou negaci treba zpetnej proud to ji muze odpalit a potom to >ssebou vezme i ostatni zivotnost u 74xxx se zkracuje zhruba na 2 roky. > > >Jaky budic mas na mysli? > >Taky mi rikali ze na tohle se pouzivaji budice diod ktery by meli stat >zhruba stejne. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > From kucik at net22.cz Thu Apr 22 19:13:06 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:11:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422200729.009fba40@mail.net22.cz> Neblbni je delam 2 rokem strevni skolu :)) Jde proste o to ze pri tom napeti co jde z tech 74 se ulije i kus zpet do nejakyho hradla co je treba od vyroby trochu slabsi, toho to veme a uz se tam deje neco nekalyho. At 20:00 22.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: >mno moc to nechapu, mam za sebou zatim jen 5let na felu, zkus to lip >vysvetlit > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Martin" >To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" > >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:32 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz >mi neco jede > > >At 19:02 22.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > >ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej proud tam > >moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo ael takhle? ale > >nevim :) > >Nic nema nekonecnej odpor anic nema nulovej odpor ;) Tudiz dle meho dycky >tam neco bloudi a tece kor kdyz tam je 3x5=15 noh spajenejch dohromady v >tomhle pripade dokonce 25 > > >-------------------- > > > > > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu > > > p?eh?n?m > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ahoj > > > > > > > > > >testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? > > > > >dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli >tomu > > > > >zatopis jeste vic? > > > > > > > > Hele proc se tam pouziva tahle slepenina z 7404 docela to zkracuje > >jejich > > > > zivotnost proc se nepouziva budic? > > > > > >Jakym mechanismem to zkracuje jejich zivotnost? > > > >Nas ve skole ucili ze zadnej integrac neni dokonalej a pri takovim zapojeni > >jde pres nejakou negaci treba zpetnej proud to ji muze odpalit a potom to > >ssebou vezme i ostatni zivotnost u 74xxx se zkracuje zhruba na 2 roky. > > > > >Jaky budic mas na mysli? > > > >Taky mi rikali ze na tohle se pouzivaji budice diod ktery by meli stat > >zhruba stejne. > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 From schum at seznam.cz Thu Apr 22 19:48:34 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (Schumann Mirek) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:46:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: SURC In-Reply-To: <20040422131122.A30537@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040421212647.B2737@beton.cybernet.src> <20040422131122.A30537@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <40881382.7050002@seznam.cz> Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): >>http://www.cipis.net/ronja/31-01SURC.pdf >>Bucek za 19 Kc >> >> > >Typicky tok 1.3 lumenu @70mA, min. tok 0.5 lumenu @70mA >HPWT-BD00-E4000 ma asi 4.5 lumenu @70mA, min. tok 2.5 lumenu @70mA > >Takze to je totalni sracka. Skoda. > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ > > Zdravim vsechny tady ta totalni sracka mi jede JENOM na 170cm, bohuzel nemam po ruce original LED pro prime porovnani ale myslim ze to nebuda tak zle mirek From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 19:50:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:50:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja] tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz>; from kucik@net22.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 06:22:12PM +0200 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <20040422151715.A30643@beton.cybernet.src> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20040422185008.B31101@beton.cybernet.src> > > > >Jakym mechanismem to zkracuje jejich zivotnost? > > Nas ve skole ucili ze zadnej integrac neni dokonalej a pri takovim zapojeni > jde pres nejakou negaci treba zpetnej proud to ji muze odpalit a potom to Kudy kam ten zpetnej proud jde? Nejak si to nedokazu predstavit. > ssebou vezme i ostatni zivotnost u 74xxx se zkracuje zhruba na 2 roky. > > >Jaky budic mas na mysli? > > Taky mi rikali ze na tohle se pouzivaji budice diod ktery by meli stat > zhruba stejne. Co to je za budice? Nejaky typovy oznaceni uzes uvyst? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 19:52:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:52:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA In-Reply-To: <003d01c4288b$ee4c27b0$0103450a@thechosen>; from m.malusek@seznam.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 07:04:53PM +0200 References: <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><002a01c42852$212c57c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <001601c42865$4a4bb520$0101a8c0@cz> <003d01c4288b$ee4c27b0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040422185201.C31101@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 07:04:53PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > 80m na kilak? tak to je celkem hodne ja cekal ze to je min. nemeril si to > neja :)) u tech infra? takze se nemam bat toho ze se mi naaahodou pri mim Ja mam na 260m flek asi metr prumer cili na kilak asi 4m v prumeru. > stesti povede naladit rovnobeznej paprsek kterym netrefim nic? :) Takovouhle divergenci nevim jestli bys to z toho vyzdimal vubec kdybys to rozostril nadoraz ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 19:52:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:52:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: SURC In-Reply-To: <004701c4288d$3eef81c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 07:14:18PM +0200 References: <20040421212647.B2737@beton.cybernet.src> <20040422131122.A30537@beton.cybernet.src> <004701c4288d$3eef81c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040422185239.D31101@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 07:14:18PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > Jo, j? to od Bucka koupil, ze to m? 2,5 :-) Kde si vzal tech 2.5? Ja sem to bral z datasheetu na ktery jsi odkazoval. Cl< > No uvid?m, jak se to osvedc?.... > > Cipis From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 19:53:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:53:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <20040422172349Z2331161-3178+17242@mail.centrum.cz>; from zefram.c@centrum.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 07:23:37PM +0200 References: <20040422172349Z2331161-3178+17242@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040422185351.E31101@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 07:23:37PM +0200, zefram.c@centrum.cz wrote: > > Cacuvec Clocku, > > jak se please muzu odhlasit z konfery? http://lists.pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja Hledej "unsubscribe" a do toho formulare zadej svou emailovou adresu. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 19:55:34 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:55:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen>; from m.malusek@seznam.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:00:23PM +0200 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz> <003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040422185534.F31101@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:00:23PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > mno moc to nechapu, mam za sebou zatim jen 5let na felu, zkus to lip > vysvetlit Ja mam 6 let na matfyzu a taky to nechapu - nezavisly pohled ;-) Cl< > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin" > To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz > mi neco jede > > > At 19:02 22.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > >ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej proud tam > >moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo ael takhle? ale > >nevim :) > > Nic nema nekonecnej odpor anic nema nulovej odpor ;) Tudiz dle meho dycky > tam neco bloudi a tece kor kdyz tam je 3x5=15 noh spajenejch dohromady v > tomhle pripade dokonce 25 > > >-------------------- > > > > > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu > > > p?eh?n?m > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ahoj > > > > > > > > > >testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? > > > > >dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli > tomu > > > > >zatopis jeste vic? > > > > > > > > Hele proc se tam pouziva tahle slepenina z 7404 docela to zkracuje > >jejich > > > > zivotnost proc se nepouziva budic? > > > > > >Jakym mechanismem to zkracuje jejich zivotnost? > > > >Nas ve skole ucili ze zadnej integrac neni dokonalej a pri takovim zapojeni > >jde pres nejakou negaci treba zpetnej proud to ji muze odpalit a potom to > >ssebou vezme i ostatni zivotnost u 74xxx se zkracuje zhruba na 2 roky. > > > > >Jaky budic mas na mysli? > > > >Taky mi rikali ze na tohle se pouzivaji budice diod ktery by meli stat > >zhruba stejne. > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 19:56:57 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:56:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422200729.009fba40@mail.net22.cz>; from kucik@net22.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:13:06PM +0200 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz> <003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422200729.009fba40@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20040422185657.G31101@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:13:06PM +0200, Martin wrote: > Neblbni je delam 2 rokem strevni skolu :)) > Jde proste o to ze pri tom napeti co jde z tech 74 se ulije i kus zpet do > nejakyho hradla co je treba od vyroby trochu slabsi, toho to veme a uz se No to by muselo mit ovsem slabsi napajeni. A protoze napajeni jsou sletovany dohromady metodou fucking chips, tak je na nich Presne Stejne Napeti (TM) ;-) Cl< > tam deje neco nekalyho. > > At 20:00 22.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > >mno moc to nechapu, mam za sebou zatim jen 5let na felu, zkus to lip > >vysvetlit > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Martin" > >To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > > >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:32 PM > >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz > >mi neco jede > > > > > >At 19:02 22.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > > >ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej proud tam > > >moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo ael takhle? ale > > >nevim :) > > > >Nic nema nekonecnej odpor anic nema nulovej odpor ;) Tudiz dle meho dycky > >tam neco bloudi a tece kor kdyz tam je 3x5=15 noh spajenejch dohromady v > >tomhle pripade dokonce 25 > > > > >-------------------- > > > > > > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu > > > > p?eh?n?m > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cipis From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 19:58:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 19:58:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: SURC In-Reply-To: <40881382.7050002@seznam.cz>; from schum@seznam.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:48:34PM +0200 References: <20040421212647.B2737@beton.cybernet.src> <20040422131122.A30537@beton.cybernet.src> <40881382.7050002@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040422185820.H31101@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:48:34PM +0200, Schumann Mirek wrote: > Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > >>http://www.cipis.net/ronja/31-01SURC.pdf > >>Bucek za 19 Kc > >> > >> > > > >Typicky tok 1.3 lumenu @70mA, min. tok 0.5 lumenu @70mA > >HPWT-BD00-E4000 ma asi 4.5 lumenu @70mA, min. tok 2.5 lumenu @70mA > > > >Takze to je totalni sracka. Skoda. > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > Zdravim vsechny > tady ta totalni sracka mi jede JENOM na 170cm, bohuzel nemam po ruce > original LED pro prime porovnani ale myslim ze to nebuda tak zle (250/170)^2 = 2.16 Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Apr 22 20:01:43 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Apr 22 20:02:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA References: <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><002a01c42852$212c57c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <001601c42865$4a4bb520$0101a8c0@cz> <003d01c4288b$ee4c27b0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040422185201.C31101@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000901c4289c$40b92060$0101a8c0@cz> Vem si zamerovaci Luxmetr a ten ti rekne jakej je kuzel alespon s 80% svetla. Nemyslim tim osvetlenej dopadovej bod. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Michal Mal??ek" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 07:04:53PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > > 80m na kilak? tak to je celkem hodne ja cekal ze to je min. nemeril si to > > neja :)) u tech infra? takze se nemam bat toho ze se mi naaahodou pri mim > > Ja mam na 260m flek asi metr prumer cili na kilak asi 4m v prumeru. > > > stesti povede naladit rovnobeznej paprsek kterym netrefim nic? :) > > Takovouhle divergenci nevim jestli bys to z toho vyzdimal vubec kdybys > to rozostril nadoraz ;-) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 20:18:04 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 20:18:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA In-Reply-To: <000901c4289c$40b92060$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 09:01:43PM +0200 References: <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><002a01c42852$212c57c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <001601c42865$4a4bb520$0101a8c0@cz> <003d01c4288b$ee4c27b0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040422185201.C31101@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c4289c$40b92060$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040422191804.A31192@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 09:01:43PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Vem si zamerovaci Luxmetr a ten ti rekne jakej je kuzel alespon s 80% > svetla. Co to je zamerovaci luxmetr? No udavat by se spravne melo maximalni pocet fotonu na metr ctverecni, to by melo z hlediska Ronji vyznam :) Jinak to jak definujes kuzel tomu verim ze by to mohlo bejt 80m. Ja ho chapu spis jako FWHM (Full Width Half Maximum). Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Apr 22 20:18:37 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Apr 22 20:20:02 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: SURC In-Reply-To: <20040422185820.H31101@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040421212647.B2737@beton.cybernet.src> <20040422131122.A30537@beton.cybernet.src> <40881382.7050002@seznam.cz> <20040422185820.H31101@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <949958552.20040422211837@volny.cz> To je prosim te vypocet ceho? OndraT KK> (250/170)^2 = 2.16 KK> Cl< KK> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:48:34PM +0200, Schumann Mirek wrote: >> Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): >> >> >>http://www.cipis.net/ronja/31-01SURC.pdf >> >>Bucek za 19 Kc >> >> >> >> >> > >> >Typicky tok 1.3 lumenu @70mA, min. tok 0.5 lumenu @70mA >> >HPWT-BD00-E4000 ma asi 4.5 lumenu @70mA, min. tok 2.5 lumenu @70mA >> > >> >Takze to je totalni sracka. Skoda. >> > >> >Cl< >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> Zdravim vsechny >> tady ta totalni sracka mi jede JENOM na 170cm, bohuzel nemam po ruce >> original LED pro prime porovnani ale myslim ze to nebuda tak zle KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 20:33:55 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 20:33:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: SURC In-Reply-To: <949958552.20040422211837@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 09:18:37PM +0200 References: <20040421212647.B2737@beton.cybernet.src> <20040422131122.A30537@beton.cybernet.src> <40881382.7050002@seznam.cz> <20040422185820.H31101@beton.cybernet.src> <949958552.20040422211837@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040422193355.A31333@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 09:18:37PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > To je prosim te vypocet ceho? Pomeru optickeho vykonu z pomeru vzdalenosti Cl< > OndraT From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Apr 22 20:56:19 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Apr 22 20:56:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: SURC References: <20040421212647.B2737@beton.cybernet.src><20040422131122.A30537@beton.cybernet.src><004701c4288d$3eef81c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040422185239.D31101@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003901c428a3$e10fb5e0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> bu?ek to m? v katalogu/cen?ku kdy? jsem hledal datasheet, tak jsem na?el n?jakej VO cen?k, tam bylo taky v?c ne? v tom datasheetu jasn?, ?e sm?rodatn? je datasheet, ale p??ou typick? hodnota, tak n?kter? jsou t?eba lep?? :-) jinak tenhle kr?m jsem te? zkou?el na 1 metr a ten obd?ln?k 1MHz byl p?knej, pak u? se mr?il Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: SURC > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 07:14:18PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > > Jo, j? to od Bucka koupil, ze to m? 2,5 :-) > > Kde si vzal tech 2.5? Ja sem to bral z datasheetu na ktery jsi odkazoval. > > Cl< > > No uvid?m, jak se to osvedc?.... > > > > Cipis > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jkrul at seznam.cz Thu Apr 22 21:57:59 2004 From: jkrul at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?Smn47SBLcnVs?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 21:58:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net><130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz><003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen> <20040422185534.F31101@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc> Mam dve vysoke a tak mi mozna doslo co tim chtel basnik rici :-))). Basnik se na slucovani hradel diva stejne jako na slucovani tranzistoru, pokud potrebuji z vykonovych duvodu misto jednoho tranzistoru pouzit vice tranzistoru musim z duvodu nestejnych vlastnosti pred kazdy vclenit maly odpor. Obecne paralelni razeni tranzistoru muze byt problem ==> stejne to bude u hradel. Faktem je, ze to neni az tak uplne pravda, ale musim uznat, ze prvni co me na vysilaci zarazilo bylo buzeni LED tak velkym poctem hradel pokud se nepletu 15 hradel (nemam po ruce schema). Basnik chce zrejme rici, ze logictejsim resenim by bylo pouziti jednoho hradla a jeho vykonove posileni, treba tranzistorem. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:00:23PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > > mno moc to nechapu, mam za sebou zatim jen 5let na felu, zkus to lip > > vysvetlit > > Ja mam 6 let na matfyzu a taky to nechapu - nezavisly pohled ;-) > > Cl< > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Martin" > > To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz > > mi neco jede > > > > > > At 19:02 22.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > > >ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej proud tam > > >moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo ael takhle? ale > > >nevim :) > > > > Nic nema nekonecnej odpor anic nema nulovej odpor ;) Tudiz dle meho dycky > > tam neco bloudi a tece kor kdyz tam je 3x5=15 noh spajenejch dohromady v > > tomhle pripade dokonce 25 > > > > >-------------------- > > > > > > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu > > > > p?eh?n?m > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ahoj > > > > > > > > > > > >testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? > > > > > >dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli > > tomu > > > > > >zatopis jeste vic? > > > > > > > > > > Hele proc se tam pouziva tahle slepenina z 7404 docela to zkracuje > > >jejich > > > > > zivotnost proc se nepouziva budic? > > > > > > > >Jakym mechanismem to zkracuje jejich zivotnost? > > > > > >Nas ve skole ucili ze zadnej integrac neni dokonalej a pri takovim zapojeni > > >jde pres nejakou negaci treba zpetnej proud to ji muze odpalit a potom to > > >ssebou vezme i ostatni zivotnost u 74xxx se zkracuje zhruba na 2 roky. > > > > > > >Jaky budic mas na mysli? > > > > > >Taky mi rikali ze na tohle se pouzivaji budice diod ktery by meli stat > > >zhruba stejne. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Apr 22 22:13:36 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Apr 22 22:13:52 2004 Subject: [Ronja] spojene vystupy hradel References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net><130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz><003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen><20040422185534.F31101@beton.cybernet.src> <095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <000701c428ae$ad13e800$5046a8c0@cipis.net> no, ono obecn? nesm?? spojovat v?stupy hradel mezi sebou natvrdo tohle platilo odv?dycky, stejn? tak jako nem??e? spojovat baterie paraleln? v?dycky tam bude n?kde n?jak? ?bytek a pote?ou vyrovn?vac? proudy ale kdy? to funguje .... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ji?? Krul" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uzmineco jede Mam dve vysoke a tak mi mozna doslo co tim chtel basnik rici :-))). Basnik se na slucovani hradel diva stejne jako na slucovani tranzistoru, pokud potrebuji z vykonovych duvodu misto jednoho tranzistoru pouzit vice tranzistoru musim z duvodu nestejnych vlastnosti pred kazdy vclenit maly odpor. Obecne paralelni razeni tranzistoru muze byt problem ==> stejne to bude u hradel. Faktem je, ze to neni az tak uplne pravda, ale musim uznat, ze prvni co me na vysilaci zarazilo bylo buzeni LED tak velkym poctem hradel pokud se nepletu 15 hradel (nemam po ruce schema). Basnik chce zrejme rici, ze logictejsim resenim by bylo pouziti jednoho hradla a jeho vykonove posileni, treba tranzistorem. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:00:23PM +0200, Michal Malusek wrote: > > mno moc to nechapu, mam za sebou zatim jen 5let na felu, zkus to lip > > vysvetlit > > Ja mam 6 let na matfyzu a taky to nechapu - nezavisly pohled ;-) > > Cl< > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Martin" > > To: "Michal Malusek" ; "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz > > mi neco jede > > > > > > At 19:02 22.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > > >ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej proud tam > > >moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo ael takhle? ale > > >nevim :) > > > > Nic nema nekonecnej odpor anic nema nulovej odpor ;) Tudiz dle meho dycky > > tam neco bloudi a tece kor kdyz tam je 3x5=15 noh spajenejch dohromady v > > tomhle pripade dokonce 25 > > > > >-------------------- > > > > > > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu > > > > p?eh?n?m > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ahoj > > > > > > > > > > > >testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? > > > > > >dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli > > tomu > > > > > >zatopis jeste vic? > > > > > > > > > > Hele proc se tam pouziva tahle slepenina z 7404 docela to zkracuje > > >jejich > > > > > zivotnost proc se nepouziva budic? > > > > > > > >Jakym mechanismem to zkracuje jejich zivotnost? > > > > > >Nas ve skole ucili ze zadnej integrac neni dokonalej a pri takovim zapojeni > > >jde pres nejakou negaci treba zpetnej proud to ji muze odpalit a potom to > > >ssebou vezme i ostatni zivotnost u 74xxx se zkracuje zhruba na 2 roky. > > > > > > >Jaky budic mas na mysli? > > > > > >Taky mi rikali ze na tohle se pouzivaji budice diod ktery by meli stat > > >zhruba stejne. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.664 / Virus Database: 427 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 22:51:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 22:52:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: SURC In-Reply-To: <003901c428a3$e10fb5e0$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 09:56:19PM +0200 References: <20040421212647.B2737@beton.cybernet.src><20040422131122.A30537@beton.cybernet.src><004701c4288d$3eef81c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040422185239.D31101@beton.cybernet.src> <003901c428a3$e10fb5e0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040422215159.B31511@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 09:56:19PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > bu?ek to m? v katalogu/cen?ku > kdy? jsem hledal datasheet, tak jsem na?el n?jakej VO cen?k, tam bylo taky > v?c ne? v tom datasheetu > > jasn?, ?e sm?rodatn? je datasheet, ale p??ou typick? hodnota, tak n?kter? > jsou t?eba lep?? :-) Prodavani zbozi s lepsimi specifikacemi nez ma vyrobce je dle zakona na ochrane spotrebitele nepripustne. Prodejce nesmi menit oznaceni vyrobku vyrobcem. Detaily viz prislusny zakon. > jinak tenhle kr?m jsem te? zkou?el na 1 metr a ten obd?ln?k 1MHz byl p?knej, > pak u? se mr?il 1MHz je ze vseho nejlehci prenyst. Legrace zacina na 5MHz a 10MHz, coz jsou data. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 22:53:23 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 22:53:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede In-Reply-To: <095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc>; from jkrul@seznam.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 10:57:59PM +0200 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net><130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz><003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen> <20040422185534.F31101@beton.cybernet.src> <095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <20040422215323.C31511@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 10:57:59PM +0200, Ji?? Krul wrote: > Mam dve vysoke a tak mi mozna doslo co tim chtel basnik rici :-))). > > Basnik se na slucovani hradel diva stejne jako na slucovani tranzistoru, > pokud potrebuji z vykonovych duvodu > misto jednoho tranzistoru pouzit vice tranzistoru musim z duvodu nestejnych > vlastnosti pred kazdy vclenit maly odpor. > Obecne paralelni razeni tranzistoru muze byt problem ==> stejne to bude u > hradel. > > Faktem je, ze to neni az tak uplne pravda, ale musim uznat, ze prvni co me > na vysilaci zarazilo bylo buzeni LED tak velkym poctem hradel pokud se > nepletu 15 hradel > (nemam po ruce schema). > Basnik chce zrejme rici, ze logictejsim resenim by bylo pouziti jednoho > hradla a jeho vykonove posileni, treba tranzistorem. No kdyby basnik dodal i obvod s tim posilovacim tranzistorem ktery chodi, a ktery chodi stejne dobre jako ten s hradly, byl bych vdecen. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 22 22:56:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 22 22:56:12 2004 Subject: [Ronja] spojene vystupy hradel In-Reply-To: <000701c428ae$ad13e800$5046a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 11:13:36PM +0200 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net><130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz><003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen><20040422185534.F31101@beton.cybernet.src> <095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc> <000701c428ae$ad13e800$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20040422215610.D31511@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 11:13:36PM +0200, Cipis wrote: > no, ono obecn? nesm?? spojovat v?stupy hradel mezi sebou natvrdo > tohle platilo odv?dycky, stejn? tak jako nem??e? spojovat baterie paraleln? > v?dycky tam bude n?kde n?jak? ?bytek a pote?ou vyrovn?vac? proudy Jo ale baterka s 2x vetsimi deskami je ekvivalentni dvema baterkam spojenym paralelne :) BTW treba takovy autobaterky se AFAIK paralelne spojovat muzou a taky se toho vyuziva kdyz nekdo dela transfuzi z jednoho vozu do druheho (ten druhy typicky nenastartovatelny). Viz jeden film s Mr. Beanem. Cl< > > ale kdy? to funguje .... > > Cipis From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Apr 22 23:10:39 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Apr 22 23:10:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] spojene vystupy hradel References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net><130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz><003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen><20040422185534.F31101@beton.cybernet.src><095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc><000701c428ae$ad13e800$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <20040422215610.D31511@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001101c428b6$a5a61360$5046a8c0@cipis.net> > Jo ale baterka s 2x vetsimi deskami je ekvivalentni dvema baterkam spojenym > paralelne :) Jo, ale rozd?l je spojen? desky a spojen? cel? baterie. Spojit to jde, ale mus? to m?t absolutn? stejn? hodnoty. > BTW treba takovy autobaterky se AFAIK paralelne spojovat muzou a taky se toho > vyuziva kdyz nekdo dela transfuzi z jednoho vozu do druheho (ten druhy typicky > nenastartovatelny). Viz jeden film s Mr. Beanem. > No a pro? je asi nenastartovateln?? Proto?e m? chc?plou baterku, tak?e ten proud z t? druh? ji nab?j? a z?rove? jde i do start?ru (hlavn?). Proto taky to druh? auto mus? b?t nastartovan?, aby to bylo je?t? n?jak krmen?. D? se to v?echno kr?sn? spo??tat, kdy? zn?? nap?t? a vnit?n? odpor :-) Ale co, hlavn?, ?e to tak funguje (to Tx) :-) Cipis From schum at seznam.cz Fri Apr 23 07:23:40 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Fri Apr 23 07:23:56 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Re=3A=20SURC?= In-Reply-To: <20040422193355.A31333@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <221605.518875-30718-1462126035-1082701420@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Ondrej Tesar" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Re: SURC Datum (Date): 22. 4. 2004 21:33 ================================================== > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 09:18:37PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > > To je prosim te vypocet ceho? > > Pomeru optickeho vykonu z pomeru vzdalenosti > > Cl< > > OndraT Budiz ale co mi tento pomer ma vlastne sdelit? Kolikrat budu mit kratsi dosah s optikou oproti dosahu originalni LEDky ????? mirek ____________________________________________________________ Chcete m?t rychl? p?ipojen? k internetu? V pr?b?hu 30 dn? si VYZKOU?EJTE ADSL od TISCALI. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73606§ion=/ From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 23 12:23:16 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 23 12:23:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: About Ronja .. In-Reply-To: <20040423130037.397419e6@zeta.comsys.se>; from lars.segerlund@comsys.se on Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 01:00:37PM +0200 References: <20040423130037.397419e6@zeta.comsys.se> Message-ID: <20040423112316.A25933@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 01:00:37PM +0200, Lars Segerlund wrote: > > Is it possible to buy Ronja assembled, ( complete ), or as a kit ? I don't know about anyone who's manufacturing it. > > Also is there any interest in further developement ? fx. for higher speeds ? Yes, we are working on further development. Cl< > > / Lars Segerlund. From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Apr 23 14:26:22 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Apr 23 14:28:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak rychle otestovat linku? Message-ID: <98281420.20040423152622@volny.cz> Zdravim, nemate prosim nekdo tip, jak od PC otestovat kazdou pulku spoje zvlast? Nejak mam obcas tedka vypadky, tak nevim jestli je to v zamereni ci kde, ale rad bych zjistil, ktera pulka spoje to dela. OndraT From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Fri Apr 23 15:55:36 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Fri Apr 23 15:55:43 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20jak=20rychle=20otestovat=20linku=3F?= In-Reply-To: <98281420.20040423152622@volny.cz> Message-ID: <249172.394278-28347-1611369903-1082732136@seznam.cz> Tak at ten jeden PC na jeden strane vysila packety. Ty to doma budes sledovat. ... ____________________________________________________________ Pod?vej se, co uteklo ze Sazky. Cht?li to utajit. Po?li to d?l. Stahuj tady: http://uteklo.kvalitne.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73692§ion=/ From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Apr 23 19:16:23 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Apr 23 19:17:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA References: <130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><002a01c42852$212c57c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <001601c42865$4a4bb520$0101a8c0@cz> <003d01c4288b$ee4c27b0$0103450a@thechosen> <20040422185201.C31101@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c4289c$40b92060$0101a8c0@cz> <20040422191804.A31192@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004901c4295f$15d92200$0101a8c0@cz> No takhle, cim mensi kuzel, tim vice svetla na stred dopadoveho bodu o prumeru 1m ctverecni. Bohuzel, infra dioda ma prumer na 1km asi tak 80m taky, ale uprostred je "dira" !!!! Takze je na to nejlepsi vzit sklenene 130mm cocky (urcite ne plastove) a ne mensi. Kdezto u HP dira uprostred neni, da se to zostrit tak, ze uprostred je opravdu vice svetla bez diry. Na druhou stranu, kdyz se veme 130mm sklenena cocka na linku do 500m s infra LED, tak dira uprostred neni a kdyz se porovna mnozstvi svetla s HP LED, tak infra je MNOHEM silnejsi. Ta "dira" u infra konci na 1200m , pak je sila svetla na stredu opet silnejsi nez pri pouziti HP LED. Je to zpusobene tvarem cipu v LED. -=RYS=- PS: zamerovaci luxmetr vypada jako puskohled, ale s digi zobrazovacem ktery ti ukazuje Lux atd... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 09:01:43PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Vem si zamerovaci Luxmetr a ten ti rekne jakej je kuzel alespon s 80% > > svetla. > > Co to je zamerovaci luxmetr? > > No udavat by se spravne melo maximalni pocet fotonu na metr ctverecni, to by > melo z hlediska Ronji vyznam :) > > Jinak to jak definujes kuzel tomu verim ze by to mohlo bejt 80m. Ja ho chapu > spis jako FWHM (Full Width Half Maximum). > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Apr 23 19:17:57 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Apr 23 19:18:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net><130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz><003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen> <20040422185534.F31101@beton.cybernet.src> <095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <005601c4295f$4dfd62e0$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ji?? Krul" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede > Mam dve vysoke a tak mi mozna doslo co tim chtel basnik rici :-))). > > Basnik se na slucovani hradel diva stejne jako na slucovani tranzistoru, > pokud potrebuji z vykonovych duvodu > misto jednoho tranzistoru pouzit vice tranzistoru musim z duvodu nestejnych > vlastnosti pred kazdy vclenit maly odpor. Ehm...jelikoz je tam 1MHz a vice, tak samozrejme bezindukcni uhlikovy odpor ... NE METALIZOVANY!! -=RYS=- From kneza at poupe.net Fri Apr 23 22:22:31 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Fri Apr 23 22:22:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prijem objednavek na Ronja PCB uzavren - objednavka odeslana Message-ID: <40898917.6070607@poupe.net> Dnes byla odeslana objednavka na Twister PCB takze prijem objednavek je uzavren. Kdo jste si neobjednal, nezoufejte - treba neco zbyde, neb nekdo jeste nepotvrdil. Kdo jste stale neposlal penize a mate tu moznost tak tak ucinte (hlavne lide s vice jak 4mi PCB, mene spise ne kvuli bankovnim poplatkum :D). Vsechny dnesni platby jsou videt na http://www.poupe.net/RonjaPCB/ jakekoliv individualni dotazy prosim resme mimo mailing list. -- S pozdravem Michal Knezourek POUPE.NET Administrator +420 608 253 646 From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 24 01:00:45 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 01:00:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister .phps fucked Message-ID: <20040424000045.A21495@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Does anyone please have a HTTP cache of http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/about.php http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material.php http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/tools.php http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php ? It got lost without being in CVS. We should have a backup but I am not sure how quickly I am able to contact the root of the web server. CVS complained during cvs update -PRd about about.php etc. having conflict and that they should eb moved out of the way. Don't know why, when theye were just plain modified commited etc. I tried to move them but fucked everything up by a typo: Instead of for a in about modules building material; do mv $a.php $a1.php; done I wrote for a in about modules building material; do mv $a.php %a1.php; done Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 24 02:18:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 02:18:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede In-Reply-To: <005601c4295f$4dfd62e0$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 08:17:57PM +0200 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net><130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz><003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen> <20040422185534.F31101@beton.cybernet.src> <095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc> <005601c4295f$4dfd62e0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20040424011847.B28132@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 08:17:57PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ji?? Krul" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz > mineco jede > > > > Mam dve vysoke a tak mi mozna doslo co tim chtel basnik rici :-))). > > > > Basnik se na slucovani hradel diva stejne jako na slucovani tranzistoru, > > pokud potrebuji z vykonovych duvodu > > misto jednoho tranzistoru pouzit vice tranzistoru musim z duvodu > nestejnych > > vlastnosti pred kazdy vclenit maly odpor. > > Ehm...jelikoz je tam 1MHz a vice, tak samozrejme bezindukcni uhlikovy odpor > ... NE METALIZOVANY!! Jak vypada vevnitr metalizovany odpor? Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Apr 24 04:32:20 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Apr 24 04:32:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net><130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz><003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen> <20040422185534.F31101@beton.cybernet.src> <095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc> <005601c4295f$4dfd62e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040424011847.B28132@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000a01c429ac$c0719740$0101a8c0@cz> > > Ehm...jelikoz je tam 1MHz a vice, tak samozrejme bezindukcni uhlikovy odpor > > ... NE METALIZOVANY!! > > Jak vypada vevnitr metalizovany odpor? > > Cl< Pust si skrze metalizovanej odpor 10MHz hrany...... a podivej se na oscik co to s tim provede. Pak si to pust skrze klasickej uhlikac a porovnej........ -=RYS=- From alexandre at vcs.com.br Sat Apr 24 07:50:20 2004 From: alexandre at vcs.com.br (alexandre@vcs.com.br) Date: Sat Apr 24 08:01:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister .phps fucked References: <20040424000045.A21495@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001f01c429c9$e9c6c620$0200a8c0@ale> Hi, I have and I`ll send for you in you mail (clock at twibright dot com). Backuped in Brazil :-) Somebody have the subtitles in english (translation) of the CESNET presentation video? (1.3gb avi file). I wish to watch and understand the video and show to my friends. Thanks, Alexandre Hoffmann Ventura 24/04/2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: [Ronja] Twister .phps fucked > Hello > > Does anyone please have a HTTP cache of > http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/about.php > http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/material.php > http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/tools.php > http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php > > ? > > It got lost without being in CVS. We should have a backup but I am not sure > how quickly I am able to contact the root of the web server. > > CVS complained during cvs update -PRd about about.php etc. having > conflict and that they should eb moved out of the way. Don't know why, > when theye were just plain modified commited etc. > > I tried to move them but fucked everything up by a typo: > > Instead of > for a in about modules building material; do mv $a.php $a1.php; done > I wrote > for a in about modules building material; do mv $a.php %a1.php; done > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 24 11:55:58 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 11:56:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister back again Message-ID: <20040424105558.A28976@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Thanks to Jezek's backups Twister guides are back again so that the .php files don't have to be rewritten :) http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/ Cl< From sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz Sat Apr 24 13:03:14 2004 From: sedlacek.d at sattnet.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Sedl=E1=E8ek?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 13:03:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] loopback In-Reply-To: <002c01c414ed$94a718c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> References: <003b01c41104$fa578e80$702da8c0@woitaw2k> <4061D3F3.269.143DFD@localhost> <20040324192811.B844@beton.cybernet.src> <4061E75A.1070209@host.sk> <105377941.20040325095747@volny.cz> <4062F228.5070303@host.sk> <20040326175852.D21353@beton.cybernet.src><40657285.606@host.sk> <406583DD.9060903@host.sk><001201c41401$8979cc00$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <40670792.9070809@sattnet.cz> <002c01c414ed$94a718c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <4068200D.6040904@sattnet.cz> Zdravim, shanim utilitku pro testovani hw loopbacku. Nevite nekdo o necem? From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Apr 24 16:15:22 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (jjaakkuubb@centrum.cz) Date: Sat Apr 24 16:15:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prijem objednavek na Ronja PCB uzavren - objednavka odeslana Message-ID: <20040424151528Z1594125-25153+96068@mail.centrum.cz> jenom tak pro orientaci, kolik lidi si TS obednalo? .....abych vedel kolik bude na svete twistru(zatim) :) .....a pak kolika lidem to pojede.... (mi nejela ani 1 ze 3 ruznych verzi :/.......) kazdopadne vsem fandim.... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Knezourek > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:22:31 +0200 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] Prijem objednavek na Ronja PCB uzavren - objednavka odeslana > > Dnes byla odeslana objednavka na Twister PCB takze prijem objednavek je > uzavren. > Kdo jste si neobjednal, nezoufejte - treba neco zbyde, neb nekdo jeste > nepotvrdil. > > Kdo jste stale neposlal penize a mate tu moznost tak tak ucinte (hlavne > lide s vice jak 4mi PCB, mene spise ne kvuli bankovnim poplatkum :D). > Vsechny dnesni platby jsou videt na http://www.poupe.net/RonjaPCB/ > > jakekoliv individualni dotazy prosim resme mimo mailing list. > > -- > S pozdravem > Michal Knezourek > POUPE.NET Administrator > +420 608 253 646 > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 From kneza at poupe.net Sat Apr 24 16:19:09 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Sat Apr 24 16:18:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prijem objednavek na Ronja PCB uzavren - objednavka odeslana In-Reply-To: <20040424151528Z1594125-25153+96068@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040424151528Z1594125-25153+96068@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <408A856D.8060703@poupe.net> http://www.poupe.net/RonjaPCB/ Objednano je 300ks , tj 150!!! spoju. Pro ty co budou mit zajem i pozdeji urcite zorganizuju dalsi varku ;-) Kneza jjaakkuubb@centrum.cz wrote: > jenom tak pro orientaci, kolik lidi si TS obednalo? .....abych vedel kolik bude na svete twistru(zatim) :) .....a pak kolika lidem to pojede.... (mi nejela ani 1 ze 3 ruznych verzi :/.......) kazdopadne vsem fandim.... > > ______________________________________________________________ > >>Od: Michal Knezourek >>Komu: Twibright Ronja >>CC: >>Datum: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:22:31 +0200 >>P?edm?t: [Ronja] Prijem objednavek na Ronja PCB uzavren - objednavka odeslana >> >>Dnes byla odeslana objednavka na Twister PCB takze prijem objednavek je >>uzavren. >>Kdo jste si neobjednal, nezoufejte - treba neco zbyde, neb nekdo jeste >>nepotvrdil. >> >>Kdo jste stale neposlal penize a mate tu moznost tak tak ucinte (hlavne >>lide s vice jak 4mi PCB, mene spise ne kvuli bankovnim poplatkum :D). >>Vsechny dnesni platby jsou videt na http://www.poupe.net/RonjaPCB/ >> >>jakekoliv individualni dotazy prosim resme mimo mailing list. >> >>-- >>S pozdravem >>Michal Knezourek >>POUPE.NET Administrator >>+420 608 253 646 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > > > -------------------- > Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Apr 24 16:25:13 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 16:26:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prijem objednavek na Ronja PCB uzavren - objednavka odeslana Message-ID: <20040424152514Z1593372-25152+96090@mail.centrum.cz> mhmm...tak to jo...... zaroven tim vyzyvam vsechny co to budou stavet aby pak napsali : jede/nejede .......to me opravdu zajima kolika lidem se to povede..... :) hlavne aby nam pak to sviceni shora nezakazali :).... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Knezourek > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:19:09 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Prijem objednavek na Ronja PCB uzavren - objednavka odeslana > > http://www.poupe.net/RonjaPCB/ > > > Objednano je 300ks , tj 150!!! spoju. > > Pro ty co budou mit zajem i pozdeji urcite zorganizuju dalsi varku ;-) > > Kneza > > > jjaakkuubb@centrum.cz wrote: > > jenom tak pro orientaci, kolik lidi si TS obednalo? .....abych vedel kolik bude na svete twistru(zatim) :) .....a pak kolika lidem to pojede.... (mi nejela ani 1 ze 3 ruznych verzi :/.......) kazdopadne vsem fandim.... > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > >>Od: Michal Knezourek > >>Komu: Twibright Ronja > >>CC: > >>Datum: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:22:31 +0200 > >>P?edm?t: [Ronja] Prijem objednavek na Ronja PCB uzavren - objednavka odeslana > >> > >>Dnes byla odeslana objednavka na Twister PCB takze prijem objednavek je > >>uzavren. > >>Kdo jste si neobjednal, nezoufejte - treba neco zbyde, neb nekdo jeste > >>nepotvrdil. > >> > >>Kdo jste stale neposlal penize a mate tu moznost tak tak ucinte (hlavne > >>lide s vice jak 4mi PCB, mene spise ne kvuli bankovnim poplatkum :D). > >>Vsechny dnesni platby jsou videt na http://www.poupe.net/RonjaPCB/ > >> > >>jakekoliv individualni dotazy prosim resme mimo mailing list. > >> > >>-- > >>S pozdravem > >>Michal Knezourek > >>POUPE.NET Administrator > >>+420 608 253 646 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > > > -------------------- > > Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. > > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 24 16:35:41 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 16:35:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prijem objednavek na Ronja PCB uzavren - objednavka odeslana] In-Reply-To: <20040424152514Z1593372-25152+96090@mail.centrum.cz>; from jjaakkuubb@centrum.cz on Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 05:25:13PM +0200 References: <20040424152514Z1593372-25152+96090@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20040424153541.A9833@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 05:25:13PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > mhmm...tak to jo...... zaroven tim vyzyvam vsechny co to budou stavet aby pak napsali : jede/nejede .......to me opravdu zajima kolika lidem se to povede..... :) Me doma jede 1 tistak a 1 vrabci hnizdo a nejede 0 kusu :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 24 16:49:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 16:49:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Neresolvovane prispevky Message-ID: <20040424154935.D9871@beton.cybernet.src> Podivejte se prosim na http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php jsou tam 2 neresolvovane prispevky. Jestli jste nekdo neco posilal a nerekl od koho tak mi to prosim reknete. Cl< From MrozX at seznam.cz Sat Apr 24 17:49:18 2004 From: MrozX at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Mroz=20X?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 17:53:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? Message-ID: <132167.441302-6086-670522911-1082825358@seznam.cz> HUB pro RONJU :-)) http://lighthousegetaway.com/lights/fresnel.html resim zrovna jake cocky pouzit, aby byl dosah RONJY co nejvetsi ? 1. Lupa ru?n? LCH RB 13 G se slen?nou (m?rn? nazelenalou) bikonvex. ?o?kou pr?m. 130 mm - zv?t?en? 2,00 x ..................... cca 180,- 2. Slen?n? (?ir?) bikonvex. ?o?ka BK 127/ 3 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 1,75 x ..................................................................................... cca 588,- 2. Slen?n? (?ir?) bikonvex. ?o?ka BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 x ...................................................................................... cca 618,- ____________________________________________________________ Pod?vej se, co uteklo ze Sazky. Cht?li to utajit. Po?li to d?l. Stahuj tady: http://uteklo.kvalitne.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73692§ion=/ From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 24 18:13:19 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 18:13:29 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? In-Reply-To: <132167.441302-6086-670522911-1082825358@seznam.cz>; from MrozX@seznam.cz on Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 06:49:18PM +0200 References: <132167.441302-6086-670522911-1082825358@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040424171319.B15063@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 06:49:18PM +0200, Mroz X wrote: > HUB pro RONJU :-)) > http://lighthousegetaway.com/lights/fresnel.html > resim zrovna jake cocky pouzit, aby byl dosah RONJY co nejvetsi ? > > 1. Lupa ru?n? LCH RB 13 G se slen?nou (m?rn? nazelenalou) bikonvex. ?o?kou pr?m. 130 mm - zv?t?en? 2,00 x ..................... cca 180,- > > 2. Slen?n? (?ir?) bikonvex. ?o?ka BK 127/ 3 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 1,75 x ..................................................................................... cca 588,- Asi tuhle, obzvlaste jestli neni nazelenala. > > 2. Slen?n? (?ir?) bikonvex. ?o?ka BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 x ...................................................................................... cca 618,- Cl< From MrozX at seznam.cz Sat Apr 24 18:42:30 2004 From: MrozX at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Mroz=20X?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 18:42:36 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Hub=20pro=20RONJU=20=3F=20mozna=20neco=20takoveho=20pouzit=20=3F?= In-Reply-To: <20040424171319.B15063@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <129409.429169-6093-1262197554-1082828550@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Mroz X" , "Twibright Ronja" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? Datum (Date): 24. 4. 2004 19:13 ================================================== > On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 06:49:18PM +0200, Mroz X wrote: > > HUB pro RONJU :-)) > > http://lighthousegetaway.com/lights/fresnel.html > > resim zrovna jake cocky pouzit, aby byl dosah RONJY co nejvetsi ? > > > > 1. Lupa ru?n? LCH RB 13 G se slen?nou (m?rn? nazelenalou) bikonvex. ?o?kou pr?m. 130 mm - zv?t?en? 2,00 x ..................... cca 180,- > > > > 2. Slen?n? (?ir?) bikonvex. ?o?ka BK 127/ 3 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 1,75 x ..................................................................................... cca 588,- > > Asi tuhle, obzvlaste jestli neni nazelenala. > > > > > 2. Slen?n? (?ir?) bikonvex. ?o?ka BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 x ...................................................................................... cca 618,- > > Cl< dik. tedy BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 ? - jak se da spocitat dosah, resp. rozdil oproti te nazelenale za 180 kc, asi se nebude jednat o trojnasobnou vzdalenost v relaci k cene .. .. nebo existuje jeste neco lepsiho? nekde bylo doporuceni na fresnel A4 za 220,- , ale musela by potom byt asi jina mechan. konstrukce optiky... tady take je zajimava nabidka ... http://www.3dlens.com/fresnellens.htm, bohuzel nejsem na tyto otazky zadny odbornik. ____________________________________________________________ Jak m??e b?t perfektn? SIEMENS C62 je?t? pefektn?j??? Co t?eba takhle - SIEMENS C62 za 977,- K?. www.oskar.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73597§ion=/ From MrozX at seznam.cz Sat Apr 24 18:54:22 2004 From: MrozX at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Mroz=20X?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 18:54:29 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Hub=20pro=20RONJU=20=3F=20mozna=20neco=20takoveho=20pouzit=20=3F?= In-Reply-To: <20040424174206.A15718@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <113745.431584-11030-988989979-1082829262@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Mroz X" Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? Datum (Date): 24. 4. 2004 19:42 ================================================== > > > > HUB pro RONJU :-)) > > > > http://lighthousegetaway.com/lights/fresnel.html > > > > resim zrovna jake cocky pouzit, aby byl dosah RONJY co nejvetsi ? > > > > > > > > 1. Lupa ru?n? LCH RB 13 G se slen?nou (m?rn? nazelenalou) bikonvex. ?o?kou pr?m. 130 mm - zv?t?en? 2,00 x ..................... cca 180,- > > > > > > > > 2. Slen?n? (?ir?) bikonvex. ?o?ka BK 127/ 3 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 1,75 x ..................................................................................... cca 588,- > > > > > > Asi tuhle, obzvlaste jestli neni nazelenala. > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Slen?n? (?ir?) bikonvex. ?o?ka BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 x ...................................................................................... cca 618,- > > > > dik. > > tedy BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 ? - jak se da spocitat dosah, > > resp. rozdil oproti te nazelenale za 180 kc, asi se nebude jednat o > > trojnasobnou vzdalenost v relaci k cene .. :-) > > Ne, tu s 1.75 > > Dosah muze bejt vetsi jen o trosku. > > Cl< ale napriklad 1,6 km ? bude to umet ? ____________________________________________________________ Doposud jste fo??k pou??vali pouze k focen?. Ale te? z n?j m??ete i telefonovat. SonyEricsson T230 ji? od 977,- K?. www.oskar.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73596§ion=/ From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 24 19:24:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 19:24:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? In-Reply-To: <113745.431584-11030-988989979-1082829262@seznam.cz>; from MrozX@seznam.cz on Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 07:54:22PM +0200 References: <20040424174206.A15718@beton.cybernet.src> <113745.431584-11030-988989979-1082829262@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040424182403.A15805@beton.cybernet.src> > > > dik. > > > tedy BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 ? - jak se da spocitat dosah, > > > resp. rozdil oproti te nazelenale za 180 kc, asi se nebude jednat o > > > trojnasobnou vzdalenost v relaci k cene .. :-) > > > > Ne, tu s 1.75 > > > > Dosah muze bejt vetsi jen o trosku. > > > > Cl< > > ale napriklad 1,6 km ? bude to umet ? Znas ohniskovou vzdalenost te cocky? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 24 19:24:31 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 19:24:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? In-Reply-To: <113745.431584-11030-988989979-1082829262@seznam.cz>; from MrozX@seznam.cz on Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 07:54:22PM +0200 References: <20040424174206.A15718@beton.cybernet.src> <113745.431584-11030-988989979-1082829262@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040424182431.B15805@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > > 2. Slen?n? (?ir?) bikonvex. ?o?ka BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 x ...................................................................................... cca 618,- > > > > > > dik. > > > tedy BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 ? - jak se da spocitat dosah, > > > resp. rozdil oproti te nazelenale za 180 kc, asi se nebude jednat o > > > trojnasobnou vzdalenost v relaci k cene .. :-) > > > > Ne, tu s 1.75 > > > > Dosah muze bejt vetsi jen o trosku. > > > > Cl< > > ale napriklad 1,6 km ? bude to umet ? Ale stejne se to rict neda - zalezi to na kvalite te cocky. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Apr 24 19:34:21 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 19:34:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] 3c590 3c900 patch Message-ID: <20040424183421.A15949@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have put the Randy Dunlap's patch for 3c590 and 3c900 here http://twiki.twibright.com/bin/view/Main/RonjaDriverSoftware If you have some interesting software drivers for network cards that are necessary with Ronja feel free adding them here. Cl< From MrozX at seznam.cz Sat Apr 24 20:12:02 2004 From: MrozX at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Mroz=20X?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 20:12:05 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Hub=20pro=20RONJU=20=3F=20mozna=20neco=20takoveho=20pouzit=20=3F?= In-Reply-To: <20040424182403.A15805@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <124968.426542-13725-363499217-1082833922@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Karel Kulhav?" Komu (To): "Mroz X" Kopie (Cc): "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t (Subject): Re: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? Datum (Date): 24. 4. 2004 20:24 ================================================== > > > > dik. > > > > tedy BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 ? - jak se da spocitat dosah, > > > > resp. rozdil oproti te nazelenale za 180 kc, asi se nebude jednat o > > > > trojnasobnou vzdalenost v relaci k cene .. :-) > > > > > > Ne, tu s 1.75 > > > > > > Dosah muze bejt vetsi jen o trosku. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > ale napriklad 1,6 km ? bude to umet ? > > Znas ohniskovou vzdalenost te cocky? > > Cl< nevim, zkusim nejal zjistit, ale nekde jsem nasel informaci(zkusenost ?)... citace..... On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:02:42AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Ja doporucuji RB13G, protoze neni z plastu, ale ze skla. > Mam to odzkousene...celkem rozumna optika s ohniskovou vzdalenosti 32cm. Tak to ma o 2.5cm vetsi ohnisko nez ten Vietnam -> po prodlouzeni trubky se da bez problemu pouzit. Jestli je ze skla tak to je super. ................... ale to je ta nazelenala cocka, cena neni spatna 180kc, ale kvalita zrejme bude horsi.. pokud jsem pochopil tve doporuceni, cim mensi zvetseni tim lepe...? nebo rozhodujici je pouze presnost a kvalita cocky, a potom presne nastavena ohniskova vzdalenost v tubusu... ____________________________________________________________ Jak m??e b?t perfektn? SIEMENS C62 je?t? pefektn?j??? Co t?eba takhle - SIEMENS C62 za 977,- K?. www.oskar.cz http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73597§ion=/ From boza2 at volny.cz Sat Apr 24 20:33:03 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sat Apr 24 20:34:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede In-Reply-To: <000a01c429ac$c0719740$0101a8c0@cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net><130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz><003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen> <20040422185534.F31101@beton.cybernet.src> <095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc> <005601c4295f$4dfd62e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040424011847.B28132@beton.cybernet.src> <000a01c429ac$c0719740$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <48889078.20040424213303@volny.cz> Ahoj, muzes mi usetrit mereni a prozradit, jak ten test dopadne? Diky OndraT >> > Ehm...jelikoz je tam 1MHz a vice, tak samozrejme bezindukcni uhlikovy R> odpor >> > ... NE METALIZOVANY!! >> >> Jak vypada vevnitr metalizovany odpor? >> >> Cl< R> Pust si skrze metalizovanej odpor 10MHz hrany...... a podivej se na oscik co R> to s tim provede. R> Pak si to pust skrze klasickej uhlikac a porovnej........ R> -=RYS=- R> _______________________________________________ R> Ronja mailing list R> Ronja@lists.pointless.net R> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Apr 24 20:34:48 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Apr 24 20:35:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? References: <124968.426542-13725-363499217-1082833922@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <001101c42a33$34b51d80$0101a8c0@cz> > nevim, zkusim nejal zjistit, ale nekde jsem nasel informaci(zkusenost ?)... > > citace..... > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:02:42AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Ja doporucuji RB13G, protoze neni z plastu, ale ze skla. > > Mam to odzkousene...celkem rozumna optika s ohniskovou vzdalenosti 32cm. To jsem byl ja. Je to tahle: http://www.dioptra.cz/index.php?J=1&L=31&K=1618 http://www.dioptra.cz/obr/D032.jpg -=RYS=- > > Tak to ma o 2.5cm vetsi ohnisko nez ten Vietnam -> po prodlouzeni trubky se > da bez problemu pouzit. Jestli je ze skla tak to je super. > > > > ................... ale to je ta nazelenala cocka, cena neni spatna 180kc, ale kvalita zrejme bude horsi.. > pokud jsem pochopil tve doporuceni, cim mensi zvetseni tim lepe...? nebo rozhodujici je pouze presnost a kvalita cocky, a potom presne nastavena ohniskova vzdalenost v tubusu... From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Apr 24 20:39:48 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Apr 24 20:40:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><002b01c427e7$1ece9440$5046a8c0@cipis.net><130767.302753-13073-420192751-1082618996@seznam.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz><5.1.0.14.0.20040422192708.00a027c0@mail.net22.cz><003201c42893$af3e8470$0103450a@thechosen> <20040422185534.F31101@beton.cybernet.src> <095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc> <005601c4295f$4dfd62e0$0101a8c0@cz> <20040424011847.B28132@beton.cybernet.src> <000a01c429ac$c0719740$0101a8c0@cz> <48889078.20040424213303@volny.cz> Message-ID: <001e01c42a33$e7964460$0101a8c0@cz> > Ahoj, > muzes mi usetrit mereni a prozradit, jak ten test dopadne? > > Diky OndraT Tak jinak.... zkus si to zmerit LCR metrem. Metalizovane odpory co jsem kupoval v GME jsou natoceny odporovym dratem okolo stredu. Pekne mi to rozhodilo RX/TX/TP . Vono asi typ od typu. Ale tohle jsem kupoval z GME. Kdyz jsem pak koupil z GME normalni uhlikove, tak se mi Ronja "rozchodila" . Chce to nejdriv odzkouset, aby to nebyla spise civka. -=RYS=- > > >> > Ehm...jelikoz je tam 1MHz a vice, tak samozrejme bezindukcni uhlikovy > R> odpor > >> > ... NE METALIZOVANY!! > >> > >> Jak vypada vevnitr metalizovany odpor? > >> > >> Cl< > > > R> Pust si skrze metalizovanej odpor 10MHz hrany...... a podivej se na oscik co > R> to s tim provede. > R> Pak si to pust skrze klasickej uhlikac a porovnej........ > > > R> -=RYS=- From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Apr 24 21:21:59 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 21:23:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Prijem objednavek na Ronja PCB uzavren - objednavka odeslana] Message-ID: <20040424202208Z1593677-25154+99828@mail.centrum.cz> to ti verim, ale co to bude delat tem ostatnim :)....to me zajima..... :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:35:41 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Prijem objednavek na Ronja PCB uzavren - objednavka odeslana] > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 05:25:13PM +0200, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > > mhmm...tak to jo...... zaroven tim vyzyvam vsechny co to budou stavet aby pak napsali : jede/nejede .......to me opravdu zajima kolika lidem se to povede..... :) > > Me doma jede 1 tistak a 1 vrabci hnizdo a nejede 0 kusu :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sat Apr 24 21:32:58 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sat Apr 24 21:34:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede Message-ID: <20040424203311Z1594056-25152+100379@mail.centrum.cz> pockat, kdyz zajdu do GM a reknu jim dejte mi odpory ...100k ... a oni mi daji ty modre s prouzkama:), tak to sou uhlikove ne?!..... ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "-=RYS=-" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:39:48 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: Re[2]: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede > > > Ahoj, > > muzes mi usetrit mereni a prozradit, jak ten test dopadne? > > > > Diky OndraT > > > Tak jinak.... zkus si to zmerit LCR metrem. > Metalizovane odpory co jsem kupoval v GME jsou natoceny odporovym dratem > okolo stredu. > Pekne mi to rozhodilo RX/TX/TP . Vono asi typ od typu. Ale tohle jsem > kupoval z GME. > Kdyz jsem pak koupil z GME normalni uhlikove, tak se mi Ronja "rozchodila" . > > Chce to nejdriv odzkouset, aby to nebyla spise civka. > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > >> > Ehm...jelikoz je tam 1MHz a vice, tak samozrejme bezindukcni uhlikovy > > R> odpor > > >> > ... NE METALIZOVANY!! > > >> > > >> Jak vypada vevnitr metalizovany odpor? > > >> > > >> Cl< > > > > > > R> Pust si skrze metalizovanej odpor 10MHz hrany...... a podivej se na > oscik co > > R> to s tim provede. > > R> Pak si to pust skrze klasickej uhlikac a porovnej........ > > > > > > R> -=RYS=- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Apr 25 11:01:25 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Apr 25 11:02:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju In-Reply-To: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> Message-ID: <1524784858.20040425120125@volny.cz> Udelej si vylet do Prahy a koupis tady vsechno. Cocky u vietnamcu v trznici, soucastky v GM elektronic, a kdyz si das sraz se mnou, tak mohu nabidnout i diody E4000. A nebo si jich kup stangli 60ks na www.ryston.cz (ty F4000 nemaj, usetri je dotazu :-)Ty F4000 sice mozna existujou, ale nevim o nikom kdo by je nekdy mel v ruce, takze si myslim, ze jsou neco jako "svaty gral" - vsichni o nem vi, ale nikdo ho nevidel. OndraT RS> Zdravim vsetkych vospolok, RS> Rad by som sa pridal k radom spokojnych pouzivatelov Ronje. Uz nejaku dobu sa pohravam s myslienkou skonstruovat tento vynalez, no potykam sa s tazkostami pri zhanani dielov. Prestudoval som si RS> mnozstvo starsich prispevkov na tuto temu na tomto fore, no vacsina informacii je negativneho razu, t.j. kde co nemam sancu zohnat. Konkretne: RS> Sosovky: RS> 130mm v Bratislave nezozeniem. Podla vsetkeho najvacsi bezne vyrabany rozmer v nasich zemepisnych sirkach je 100mm, ktory preda napr. firma Acron na Trnavskej ulici. Zvazujem pouzitie presnejsich RS> brusenych sosoviek. Vstupil som do jednania s Meoptou Prerov, no zatial nemam odpoved, ake najvacsie sosovky mi mozu dodat. RS> Dalsia moznost je Vieden, kde by mali byt este lepsie moznosti ako v Prahe, ale zatial nemam ziadne zachytne body. Keby niekto vedel o vhodnom zozname rakuskych firiem, od ktoreho sa da odrazit. RS> Bohuzial nie som dobry nemcinar, takze v hladani nemeckych stranok cez Google som dost lavy. :( RS> Diody: RS> Na stranke vyrobcu Lumileds som zistil, ze ich vyhradny distributor je Future Electronics, ktory ma aj zastupenie vo Viedni. V ponukach na strankach Lumileds a Future Electronics vsak nie je RS> ziadna zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000, jedine HPWT-BD00-E4000. Jedina zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000 je v technickych specifikaciach vyrobcu. Jedna sa o novy model, ktory sa len zacina distribuovat? Odkial RS> ho kupujete? Future Electronics som zatial nekontaktoval. RS> Tranzistory: RS> BF908 som nenasiel v ponuke GME ani Conrad. Najblizsi bol BF988. RS> Vopred vdaka za akekolvek info RS> Robert Szelepcsenyi From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 25 11:28:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 11:28:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju In-Reply-To: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk>; from robert@tankred.sk on Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 11:56:12AM +0200 References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> Message-ID: <20040425102826.A234@beton.cybernet.src> > > 130mm v Bratislave nezozeniem. Podla vsetkeho najvacsi bezne vyrabany rozmer v nasich zemepisnych sirkach je 100mm, ktory preda napr. firma Acron na Trnavskej ulici. Zvazujem pouzitie presnejsich brusenych sosoviek. Vstupil som do jednania s Meoptou Prerov, no zatial nemam odpoved, ake najvacsie sosovky mi mozu dodat. > > Dalsia moznost je Vieden, kde by mali byt este lepsie moznosti ako v Prahe, ale zatial nemam ziadne zachytne body. Keby niekto vedel o vhodnom zozname rakuskych firiem, od ktoreho sa da odrazit. Bohuzial nie som dobry nemcinar, takze v hladani nemeckych stranok cez Google som dost lavy. :( Az zjistite ty distributory muzete je napsat na Wiki > > Diody: > > Na stranke vyrobcu Lumileds som zistil, ze ich vyhradny distributor je Future > Electronics, ktory ma aj zastupenie vo Viedni. V ponukach na strankach > Lumileds a Future Electronics vsak nie je ziadna zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000, > jedine HPWT-BD00-E4000. Jedina zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000 je v technickych > specifikaciach vyrobcu. Jedna sa o novy model, ktory sa len zacina > distribuovat? Odkial ho kupujete? Future Electronics som zatial > nekontaktoval. Nema smysl resit rozdil mezi F4000 a E4000. Je maly. > > Tranzistory: > > BF908 som nenasiel v ponuke GME ani Conrad. Najblizsi bol BF988. BF988 je v ekvivalentech. A je dobrej. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 25 11:29:48 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 11:29:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju In-Reply-To: <1524784858.20040425120125@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 12:01:25PM +0200 References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> <1524784858.20040425120125@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040425102948.B234@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 12:01:25PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Udelej si vylet do Prahy a koupis tady vsechno. > Cocky u vietnamcu v trznici, soucastky v GM elektronic, a kdyz si das > sraz se mnou, tak mohu nabidnout i diody E4000. A nebo si jich kup > stangli 60ks na www.ryston.cz (ty F4000 nemaj, usetri je dotazu :-)Ty > F4000 sice mozna existujou, ale nevim o nikom kdo by je nekdy mel v > ruce, takze si myslim, ze jsou neco jako "svaty gral" - vsichni o nem > vi, ale nikdo ho nevidel. Jo reditel Lumileds ma 1 na stole v kristalove skrince na mahagonovem podstavci a cedulkou vygravirovanou do liteho zlata 24 karatu ;-) Ja jsem taky jeste nenarazil na to ze by je nekdo prodaval ale furt s nima mavaj v katalogovejch listech. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 25 11:30:26 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 11:30:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja In-Reply-To: <20040425083252.DCBB363067@rekin7.go2.pl>; from wyzio1@tlen.pl on Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 10:32:52AM +0200 References: <20040425083252.DCBB363067@rekin7.go2.pl> Message-ID: <20040425103026.C234@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 10:32:52AM +0200, wyzio1@tlen.pl wrote: > How can i load the PCB in Eagle ? No. see http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/pcb.php for info which software it was made in. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Apr 25 12:05:18 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Apr 25 12:05:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <002301c4288b$a3568ca0$0103450a@thechosen> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz> <002301c4288b$a3568ca0$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <200404251305.18852.ladmanj@volny.cz> On Thursday 22 of April 2004 19:02, Michal Malusek wrote: > ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej proud tam > moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo ael takhle? ale > nevim :) Jeden invertor se preklopi o fous rychlejc, nebo pomalejc (a to je samozrejmost) a pak jim tece, po ten zlomek okamziku, obrovitanansky zkratovy proud. Jakub (ten co furt vsechno kritizuje a sam nic neudelal - ach jo) > > -------------------- > > > > > > M? psanou ?pi?ku 200 mA p?i duty 1/10 & 1kHz, no tak to asi trochu > > > > p?eh?n?m > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > Cipis > > > > > > > > > > P.S.: U Bu?ka 19,- K? / kus > > > > > > > >ahoj > > > > > > > >testuju taky zrovna tuhle LED, jak se to chystas postelovat? > > > >dal jsem tam paralelne 5x 7404 a odpor je 8,2ohm, zajima me jestli > > > > tomu zatopis jeste vic? > > > > > > Hele proc se tam pouziva tahle slepenina z 7404 docela to zkracuje > > jejich > > > > zivotnost proc se nepouziva budic? > > > >Jakym mechanismem to zkracuje jejich zivotnost? > > Nas ve skole ucili ze zadnej integrac neni dokonalej a pri takovim zapojeni > jde pres nejakou negaci treba zpetnej proud to ji muze odpalit a potom to > ssebou vezme i ostatni zivotnost u 74xxx se zkracuje zhruba na 2 roky. > > >Jaky budic mas na mysli? > > Taky mi rikali ze na tohle se pouzivaji budice diod ktery by meli stat > zhruba stejne. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 25 12:59:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 12:59:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <200404251305.18852.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 01:05:18PM +0200 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040422181712.00a0e5f0@mail.net22.cz> <002301c4288b$a3568ca0$0103450a@thechosen> <200404251305.18852.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040425115908.C379@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 01:05:18PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > On Thursday 22 of April 2004 19:02, Michal Malusek wrote: > > ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej proud tam > > moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo ael takhle? ale > > nevim :) > Jeden invertor se preklopi o fous rychlejc, nebo pomalejc (a to je > samozrejmost) a pak jim tece, po ten zlomek okamziku, obrovitanansky zkratovy > proud. Jak velky bude ten zkratovy proud a jak dlouhy muze byt max. ten zlomek okamziku? A jak velky zkratovy proud tece skrz ten koncovy totem pole v tom jednom hradle po jak dlouhou dobu pri prepinani toho hradla? Ne ze bych na tyhle otazky neznal odpoved, ale konecne bych rad nekoho dovedl k tomu, aby si tyto oblibene legendy o tom ze na 15 HC hradlech spojenych dohromady je neco divneho sam vyvratil ;-) Cl< > > Jakub > (ten co furt vsechno kritizuje a sam nic neudelal - ach jo) From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Apr 25 13:13:35 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Apr 25 13:13:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <20040425115908.C379@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <200404251305.18852.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040425115908.C379@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404251413.36116.ladmanj@volny.cz> Zkratovy proud podle Ron vystupnich tranzistoru hradla (viz. ds) doba zkratu priblizne podle rozdilu minimalniho a maximalniho zpozdeni vstup-vystup (viz ds) Pokud jde o dlouhodobou spolehlivost, bude ten vysledek uzitecny, neb v takovem pripade je dobre pocitat s nejhorsi moznou situaci. V realu by to melo byt vzdy (alespon) o trochu lepsi. Jakub On Sunday 25 of April 2004 13:59, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 01:05:18PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > On Thursday 22 of April 2004 19:02, Michal Malusek wrote: > > > ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej proud > > > tam moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo ael > > > takhle? ale nevim :) > > > > Jeden invertor se preklopi o fous rychlejc, nebo pomalejc (a to je > > samozrejmost) a pak jim tece, po ten zlomek okamziku, obrovitanansky > > zkratovy proud. > > Jak velky bude ten zkratovy proud a jak dlouhy muze byt max. ten zlomek > okamziku? > > A jak velky zkratovy proud tece skrz ten koncovy totem pole v tom jednom > hradle po jak dlouhou dobu pri prepinani toho hradla? > > Ne ze bych na tyhle otazky neznal odpoved, ale konecne bych rad nekoho > dovedl k tomu, aby si tyto oblibene legendy o tom ze na 15 HC hradlech > spojenych dohromady je neco divneho sam vyvratil ;-) > > Cl< > > > Jakub > > (ten co furt vsechno kritizuje a sam nic neudelal - ach jo) > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 25 13:28:39 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 13:28:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <200404251413.36116.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 02:13:35PM +0200 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <200404251305.18852.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040425115908.C379@beton.cybernet.src> <200404251413.36116.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040425122839.B610@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 02:13:35PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Zkratovy proud podle Ron vystupnich tranzistoru hradla (viz. ds) doba zkratu > priblizne podle rozdilu minimalniho a maximalniho zpozdeni vstup-vystup (viz > ds) No a ten Ron je kolik? :) A kolik je rozdil min. a max. zpozdeni vstup-vystup? > Pokud jde o dlouhodobou spolehlivost, bude ten vysledek uzitecny, neb v > takovem pripade je dobre pocitat s nejhorsi moznou situaci. > V realu by to melo byt vzdy (alespon) o trochu lepsi. > Jakub Dlouhodoba spolehlivost ma narok byt ovlivnena jen tehdy, jsou-li prekroceny absolute maximum ratings. Mas pocit ze prekroceny jsou? Cl< From jkrul at seznam.cz Sun Apr 25 13:33:15 2004 From: jkrul at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jir=ED_Krul?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 13:33:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju (cocky) References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> <1524784858.20040425120125@volny.cz> Message-ID: <009c01c42ac1$7b245590$0414a8c0@pc> Fajn tak uz vime, ze cocky 130mm lze sehnat u vetnamcu, nicmen eco to trochu knkterizovat tj. 1. Po cem se mam pidit ? (Lupa pro deti ?) 2. Cena ? 3. Sklo, plast ? 4. Vetnamsky vyraz pro cocku :-)))) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju > Udelej si vylet do Prahy a koupis tady vsechno. > Cocky u vietnamcu v trznici, soucastky v GM elektronic, a kdyz si das > sraz se mnou, tak mohu nabidnout i diody E4000. A nebo si jich kup > stangli 60ks na www.ryston.cz (ty F4000 nemaj, usetri je dotazu :-)Ty > F4000 sice mozna existujou, ale nevim o nikom kdo by je nekdy mel v > ruce, takze si myslim, ze jsou neco jako "svaty gral" - vsichni o nem > vi, ale nikdo ho nevidel. > > OndraT > > RS> Zdravim vsetkych vospolok, > > > RS> Rad by som sa pridal k radom spokojnych pouzivatelov Ronje. Uz nejaku dobu sa pohravam s myslienkou skonstruovat tento vynalez, no potykam sa s tazkostami pri zhanani dielov. Prestudoval som si > RS> mnozstvo starsich prispevkov na tuto temu na tomto fore, no vacsina informacii je negativneho razu, t.j. kde co nemam sancu zohnat. Konkretne: > > RS> Sosovky: > > RS> 130mm v Bratislave nezozeniem. Podla vsetkeho najvacsi bezne vyrabany rozmer v nasich zemepisnych sirkach je 100mm, ktory preda napr. firma Acron na Trnavskej ulici. Zvazujem pouzitie presnejsich > RS> brusenych sosoviek. Vstupil som do jednania s Meoptou Prerov, no zatial nemam odpoved, ake najvacsie sosovky mi mozu dodat. > > RS> Dalsia moznost je Vieden, kde by mali byt este lepsie moznosti ako v Prahe, ale zatial nemam ziadne zachytne body. Keby niekto vedel o vhodnom zozname rakuskych firiem, od ktoreho sa da odrazit. > RS> Bohuzial nie som dobry nemcinar, takze v hladani nemeckych stranok cez Google som dost lavy. :( > > RS> Diody: > > RS> Na stranke vyrobcu Lumileds som zistil, ze ich vyhradny distributor je Future Electronics, ktory ma aj zastupenie vo Viedni. V ponukach na strankach Lumileds a Future Electronics vsak nie je > RS> ziadna zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000, jedine HPWT-BD00-E4000. Jedina zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000 je v technickych specifikaciach vyrobcu. Jedna sa o novy model, ktory sa len zacina distribuovat? Odkial > RS> ho kupujete? Future Electronics som zatial nekontaktoval. > > RS> Tranzistory: > > RS> BF908 som nenasiel v ponuke GME ani Conrad. Najblizsi bol BF988. > > > RS> Vopred vdaka za akekolvek info > > > RS> Robert Szelepcsenyi > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Apr 25 14:05:59 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Apr 25 14:05:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <200404251413.36116.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <20040425115908.C379@beton.cybernet.src> <200404251413.36116.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200404251506.00038.ladmanj@volny.cz> Ikdyz se mi reseni s sukajicimi svaby prilis nelibi, myslim si, ze pokud se pouziji brouci stejneho vyrobce a ze stejne varky. Pozor na gm, behem jednoho nakupu muzete nalezt v pytliku stejny typ i od tri vyrobcu, tak na to bych trochu dal pozor. Kdyz nakupuju 74xx, 40xx v rystonu, jsou posledni dobou vsechny bez vyjimky od TI, coz mi je uplne jedno, jen kdyz od stejneho (coz neplati kdyz se brouci pouzivaj normalne, tam je to pochopitelne uplne sumak) Jakub On Sunday 25 of April 2004 14:13, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Zkratovy proud podle Ron vystupnich tranzistoru hradla (viz. ds) doba > zkratu priblizne podle rozdilu minimalniho a maximalniho zpozdeni > vstup-vystup (viz ds) > Pokud jde o dlouhodobou spolehlivost, bude ten vysledek uzitecny, neb v > takovem pripade je dobre pocitat s nejhorsi moznou situaci. > V realu by to melo byt vzdy (alespon) o trochu lepsi. > Jakub > > On Sunday 25 of April 2004 13:59, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 01:05:18PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > On Thursday 22 of April 2004 19:02, Michal Malusek wrote: > > > > ono aby ten budic byl pak tak rychlej jako 74ky. ze. btw zpetnej > > > > proud tam moc sanci nema ne? kdyby tam byla nejaka indukcnost tak jo > > > > ael takhle? ale nevim :) > > > > > > Jeden invertor se preklopi o fous rychlejc, nebo pomalejc (a to je > > > samozrejmost) a pak jim tece, po ten zlomek okamziku, obrovitanansky > > > zkratovy proud. > > > > Jak velky bude ten zkratovy proud a jak dlouhy muze byt max. ten zlomek > > okamziku? > > > > A jak velky zkratovy proud tece skrz ten koncovy totem pole v tom jednom > > hradle po jak dlouhou dobu pri prepinani toho hradla? > > > > Ne ze bych na tyhle otazky neznal odpoved, ale konecne bych rad nekoho > > dovedl k tomu, aby si tyto oblibene legendy o tom ze na 15 HC hradlech > > spojenych dohromady je neco divneho sam vyvratil ;-) > > > > Cl< > > > > > Jakub > > > (ten co furt vsechno kritizuje a sam nic neudelal - ach jo) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Apr 25 14:13:49 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Apr 25 14:13:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <20040425122839.B610@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <200404251413.36116.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040425122839.B610@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404251513.49578.ladmanj@volny.cz> Jestli to z predesleho mailu nebylo znat. Tak ja se distancuji od protestu proti sukajicim svabum, ja jsem pouze doplnil ty argumenty na ktere se tu nekdo ptal. Ani jsem nestudoval ty datasheety, protoze je mi to jedno. Dulezity je to ze to chodi a chodi to dlouho a dobre. Proti tvym konstrukcim mam radu vyhrad, ale ty nejsou podstatne. Opodstatneni by se mohli dockat az v momente, kdy by mne napriklad privedly k vlastni, "lepsi", konstrukci. Lepsi v uvozovkach - protoze nikdo nema patent na rozum a vzdycky lze jeden zpusob nejak (castecne) zpochybnit. Jakub PS: mailing listy jsou zrizovany prave za ucelem diskuse ne? On Sunday 25 of April 2004 14:28, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 02:13:35PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Zkratovy proud podle Ron vystupnich tranzistoru hradla (viz. ds) doba > > zkratu priblizne podle rozdilu minimalniho a maximalniho zpozdeni > > vstup-vystup (viz ds) > > No a ten Ron je kolik? :) A kolik je rozdil min. a max. zpozdeni > vstup-vystup? > > > Pokud jde o dlouhodobou spolehlivost, bude ten vysledek uzitecny, neb v > > takovem pripade je dobre pocitat s nejhorsi moznou situaci. > > V realu by to melo byt vzdy (alespon) o trochu lepsi. > > Jakub > > Dlouhodoba spolehlivost ma narok byt ovlivnena jen tehdy, jsou-li > prekroceny absolute maximum ratings. Mas pocit ze prekroceny jsou? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 25 14:20:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 14:20:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju (cocky) In-Reply-To: <009c01c42ac1$7b245590$0414a8c0@pc>; from jkrul@seznam.cz on Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 02:33:15PM +0200 References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> <1524784858.20040425120125@volny.cz> <009c01c42ac1$7b245590$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <20040425132017.A764@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 02:33:15PM +0200, Jir? Krul wrote: > Fajn tak uz vime, ze cocky 130mm lze sehnat u vetnamcu, nicmen eco to trochu > knkterizovat tj. > 1. Po cem se mam pidit ? (Lupa pro deti ?) Viz http://ronja.twibright.com/tubular_head_130/material_cz.php > 2. Cena ? > 3. Sklo, plast ? Tak se kouk?m ?e to v n?vodu neni. P?ipsal jsem to tam. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 25 14:35:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 14:36:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <200404251513.49578.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 03:13:49PM +0200 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <200404251413.36116.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040425122839.B610@beton.cybernet.src> <200404251513.49578.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040425133552.B764@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 03:13:49PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Jestli to z predesleho mailu nebylo znat. Tak ja se distancuji od protestu > proti sukajicim svabum, ja jsem pouze doplnil ty argumenty na ktere se tu > nekdo ptal. Hm to je dobre. Mohli by ale prijit katolici a zacit resit ze ty svaby sukaj zezadu a tedy analne, coz muze navozovat asociace s homosexualnim stykem. A ze homosexualita je nemravna z jejich axiomu prirozeneho zakona ktery definuje magisterium (coz nemuze byt v mem axiomatickem systemu pravda uz z toho duvodu, ze jsem gay) a ze by teda mely sukat obracene, tzn. nozickama k sobe. A mohli by pripadne argumentovat, ze to kazi mravni vychovu mladeze, protoze Ronju si mohou stavet taky deti: http://lstm.noveveseli.cz/1998-1999/106.jpg Nicmene bych rad upozornil ze v airwire twisteru je pet sukajicich svabu na sobe (zezadu samozrejme ;-) ) coz uz je hromadna souloz per se a tudiz jeste evidentnejsi nabadani k porusovani monogamie (k cemuz ja teda osobne nenabadam ;-)) v porovnani s "trapnou" trojkou ve vysilaci. Nicmene tady zase nejsou spojene zadne vystupy takze proti tomu nebude mit zrejme namitky nikdo z osazenstva mailing listu ;-) Cl< > Ani jsem nestudoval ty datasheety, protoze je mi to jedno. > Dulezity je to ze to chodi a chodi to dlouho a dobre. > Proti tvym konstrukcim mam radu vyhrad, ale ty nejsou podstatne. > Opodstatneni by se mohli dockat az v momente, kdy by mne napriklad privedly k > vlastni, "lepsi", konstrukci. > Lepsi v uvozovkach - protoze nikdo nema patent na rozum a vzdycky lze jeden > zpusob nejak (castecne) zpochybnit. > > Jakub From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Apr 25 15:01:17 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Apr 25 15:00:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <20040425133552.B764@beton.cybernet.src> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <200404251513.49578.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040425133552.B764@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404251601.17111.ladmanj@volny.cz> > http://lstm.noveveseli.cz/1998-1999/106.jpg Hmmm zacina tu byt veselo, ja byt spravcem projektu, tak je tenhle obrazek na uvodni strance na webu. M?lem jsem neudr?el mo?. From ggorcsos at hotmail.com Sun Apr 25 15:45:56 2004 From: ggorcsos at hotmail.com (Gabor Gorcsos) Date: Sun Apr 25 15:46:00 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Unsubscribe from this mailing list Message-ID: How to unsubscribe from this mailing list? I've already done it 3-times but the unsubscribe procedure does not work!!! G. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From cd930 at centrum.cz Sun Apr 25 17:47:27 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sun Apr 25 17:48:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju (cocky) References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> <1524784858.20040425120125@volny.cz> <009c01c42ac1$7b245590$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <002201c42ae4$ff784a40$0101a8c0@cz> Cocky na Slovensku koupis!! Je to tahle: http://www.dioptra.cz/index.php?J=1&L=31&K=1618 http://www.dioptra.cz/obr/D032.jpg Na http://www.dioptra.cz/index.php?J=1&K=1602 mas kontakt v Blave: Dioptra, s. r. o. Z?tisie 12 831 03 Bratislava Slovensko telefon / fax: 00421 / 244 452 867 e-mail: dioptra@stonline.sk Mela by byt za 270,- Sk. Dale TX LED....jedine E4000 od kluku z Praglu nebo ve Vidni. Ja to vyresil tak, ze v GME jsem koupil infra, kterou BEZNE maji na krame i v Blave!! (sviti stejne a trochu i vice nez HPWT) Hold to nebude tak pekne cervene svitit, ale pojede ti to taky. Udelej toto: 1) v GME Blava kup infra LED HSDL-4230 do vysilace 2) v GME Blava kup fotodiodu SFH2030F do prijmace -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jir? Krul" To: "Ondrej Tesar" ; "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju (cocky) > Fajn tak uz vime, ze cocky 130mm lze sehnat u vetnamcu, nicmen eco to trochu > knkterizovat tj. > 1. Po cem se mam pidit ? (Lupa pro deti ?) > 2. Cena ? > 3. Sklo, plast ? > 4. Vetnamsky vyraz pro cocku :-)))) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ondrej Tesar" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju > > > > Udelej si vylet do Prahy a koupis tady vsechno. > > Cocky u vietnamcu v trznici, soucastky v GM elektronic, a kdyz si das > > sraz se mnou, tak mohu nabidnout i diody E4000. A nebo si jich kup > > stangli 60ks na www.ryston.cz (ty F4000 nemaj, usetri je dotazu :-)Ty > > F4000 sice mozna existujou, ale nevim o nikom kdo by je nekdy mel v > > ruce, takze si myslim, ze jsou neco jako "svaty gral" - vsichni o nem > > vi, ale nikdo ho nevidel. > > > > OndraT > > > > RS> Zdravim vsetkych vospolok, > > > > > > RS> Rad by som sa pridal k radom spokojnych pouzivatelov Ronje. Uz nejaku > dobu sa pohravam s myslienkou skonstruovat tento vynalez, no potykam sa s > tazkostami pri zhanani dielov. Prestudoval som si > > RS> mnozstvo starsich prispevkov na tuto temu na tomto fore, no vacsina > informacii je negativneho razu, t.j. kde co nemam sancu zohnat. Konkretne: > > > > RS> Sosovky: > > > > RS> 130mm v Bratislave nezozeniem. Podla vsetkeho najvacsi bezne vyrabany > rozmer v nasich zemepisnych sirkach je 100mm, ktory preda napr. firma Acron > na Trnavskej ulici. Zvazujem pouzitie presnejsich > > RS> brusenych sosoviek. Vstupil som do jednania s Meoptou Prerov, no > zatial nemam odpoved, ake najvacsie sosovky mi mozu dodat. > > > > RS> Dalsia moznost je Vieden, kde by mali byt este lepsie moznosti ako v > Prahe, ale zatial nemam ziadne zachytne body. Keby niekto vedel o vhodnom > zozname rakuskych firiem, od ktoreho sa da odrazit. > > RS> Bohuzial nie som dobry nemcinar, takze v hladani nemeckych stranok cez > Google som dost lavy. :( > > > > RS> Diody: > > > > RS> Na stranke vyrobcu Lumileds som zistil, ze ich vyhradny distributor je > Future Electronics, ktory ma aj zastupenie vo Viedni. V ponukach na > strankach Lumileds a Future Electronics vsak nie je > > RS> ziadna zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000, jedine HPWT-BD00-E4000. Jedina > zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000 je v technickych specifikaciach vyrobcu. Jedna sa > o novy model, ktory sa len zacina distribuovat? Odkial > > RS> ho kupujete? Future Electronics som zatial nekontaktoval. > > > > RS> Tranzistory: > > > > RS> BF908 som nenasiel v ponuke GME ani Conrad. Najblizsi bol BF988. > > > > > > RS> Vopred vdaka za akekolvek info > > > > > > RS> Robert Szelepcsenyi > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Sun Apr 25 17:57:22 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sun Apr 25 17:57:59 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040422165301.00a03530@mail.net22.cz> <200404251413.36116.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040425122839.B610@beton.cybernet.src> <200404251513.49578.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20040425133552.B764@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004101c42ae6$60e9db80$0101a8c0@cz> Takze zasadni otazka pri tvorbe Ronji (mimochodem dcera loupeznika...viz Svedsky film pro deti) zni: Od kolika let smi deti vyrabet Ronju? (od 15 let pristupno?> v EU ; od 16 let? > v USA ; od 14 let? > v Filipiny? ) :))))))))))))))))))))))))))) -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede > On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 03:13:49PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Jestli to z predesleho mailu nebylo znat. Tak ja se distancuji od protestu > > proti sukajicim svabum, ja jsem pouze doplnil ty argumenty na ktere se tu > > nekdo ptal. > > Hm to je dobre. > > Mohli by ale prijit katolici a zacit resit ze ty svaby sukaj zezadu a tedy > analne, coz muze navozovat asociace s homosexualnim stykem. A ze homosexualita > je nemravna z jejich axiomu prirozeneho zakona ktery definuje magisterium (coz > nemuze byt v mem axiomatickem systemu pravda uz z toho duvodu, ze jsem gay) a > ze by teda mely sukat obracene, tzn. nozickama k sobe. A mohli by pripadne > argumentovat, ze to kazi mravni vychovu mladeze, protoze Ronju si mohou stavet > taky deti: > > http://lstm.noveveseli.cz/1998-1999/106.jpg > > Nicmene bych rad upozornil ze v airwire twisteru je pet sukajicich svabu na > sobe (zezadu samozrejme ;-) ) coz uz je hromadna souloz per se a tudiz jeste > evidentnejsi nabadani k porusovani monogamie (k cemuz ja teda osobne nenabadam > ;-)) v porovnani s "trapnou" trojkou ve vysilaci. Nicmene tady zase nejsou > spojene zadne vystupy takze proti tomu nebude mit zrejme namitky nikdo z > osazenstva mailing listu ;-) > > Cl< From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Apr 25 19:15:30 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:15:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede Message-ID: <20040425181532Z1602737-25152+117589@mail.centrum.cz> a co psi? ti to tez robi zezadu a nikomu to nevadi :)....a videl si nekdy sukat plo?tici? take to cervene co leze dycky v lete kolem hrbitova.... ty sukaji zadkama k sobe......(ale vubec jim nezavidim, ani na partnera(ku) nevidi :) ) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:35:52 +0000 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede > > On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 03:13:49PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Jestli to z predesleho mailu nebylo znat. Tak ja se distancuji od protestu > > proti sukajicim svabum, ja jsem pouze doplnil ty argumenty na ktere se tu > > nekdo ptal. > > Hm to je dobre. > > Mohli by ale prijit katolici a zacit resit ze ty svaby sukaj zezadu a tedy > analne, coz muze navozovat asociace s homosexualnim stykem. A ze homosexualita > je nemravna z jejich axiomu prirozeneho zakona ktery definuje magisterium (coz > nemuze byt v mem axiomatickem systemu pravda uz z toho duvodu, ze jsem gay) a > ze by teda mely sukat obracene, tzn. nozickama k sobe. A mohli by pripadne > argumentovat, ze to kazi mravni vychovu mladeze, protoze Ronju si mohou stavet > taky deti: > > http://lstm.noveveseli.cz/1998-1999/106.jpg > > Nicmene bych rad upozornil ze v airwire twisteru je pet sukajicich svabu na > sobe (zezadu samozrejme ;-) ) coz uz je hromadna souloz per se a tudiz jeste > evidentnejsi nabadani k porusovani monogamie (k cemuz ja teda osobne nenabadam > ;-)) v porovnani s "trapnou" trojkou ve vysilaci. Nicmene tady zase nejsou > spojene zadne vystupy takze proti tomu nebude mit zrejme namitky nikdo z > osazenstva mailing listu ;-) > > Cl< > > > Ani jsem nestudoval ty datasheety, protoze je mi to jedno. > > Dulezity je to ze to chodi a chodi to dlouho a dobre. > > Proti tvym konstrukcim mam radu vyhrad, ale ty nejsou podstatne. > > Opodstatneni by se mohli dockat az v momente, kdy by mne napriklad privedly k > > vlastni, "lepsi", konstrukci. > > Lepsi v uvozovkach - protoze nikdo nema patent na rozum a vzdycky lze jeden > > zpusob nejak (castecne) zpochybnit. > > > > Jakub > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Apr 25 19:19:51 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:20:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede Message-ID: <20040425181957Z1598448-25154+117142@mail.centrum.cz> tak to je bud maly clock nebo jeho synek :)...... sem zvedavy co z neho vyroste........ jeee...... to bude posuk ;) (bez urazky) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Jakub Ladman > Komu: Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:01:17 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede > > > http://lstm.noveveseli.cz/1998-1999/106.jpg > > Hmmm zacina tu byt veselo, ja byt spravcem projektu, tak je tenhle obrazek na > uvodni strance na webu. > M?lem jsem neudr?el mo?. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Sun Apr 25 19:24:15 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:24:47 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede Message-ID: <20040425182430Z1602159-25152+117731@mail.centrum.cz> kdyz nebudou pajet sukajici svaby tak od tri let.mohlo by to mit na ne mravni vliv :))jinak stavebnice obsahuje d?ly, ktere by mohlo dite spolknout ci vdechnout :)))) ...... dospeli: pri praci nejzte nepijte nekurte :)) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "-=RYS=-" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:57:22 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede > > Takze zasadni otazka pri tvorbe Ronji (mimochodem dcera loupeznika...viz > Svedsky film pro deti) zni: > > Od kolika let smi deti vyrabet Ronju? (od 15 let pristupno?> v EU ; od 16 > let? > v USA ; od 14 let? > v Filipiny? ) > > :))))))))))))))))))))))))))) -=RYS=- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz > mi neco jede > > > > On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 03:13:49PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > Jestli to z predesleho mailu nebylo znat. Tak ja se distancuji od > protestu > > > proti sukajicim svabum, ja jsem pouze doplnil ty argumenty na ktere se > tu > > > nekdo ptal. > > > > Hm to je dobre. > > > > Mohli by ale prijit katolici a zacit resit ze ty svaby sukaj zezadu a tedy > > analne, coz muze navozovat asociace s homosexualnim stykem. A ze > homosexualita > > je nemravna z jejich axiomu prirozeneho zakona ktery definuje magisterium > (coz > > nemuze byt v mem axiomatickem systemu pravda uz z toho duvodu, ze jsem > gay) a > > ze by teda mely sukat obracene, tzn. nozickama k sobe. A mohli by pripadne > > argumentovat, ze to kazi mravni vychovu mladeze, protoze Ronju si mohou > stavet > > taky deti: > > > > http://lstm.noveveseli.cz/1998-1999/106.jpg > > > > Nicmene bych rad upozornil ze v airwire twisteru je pet sukajicich svabu > na > > sobe (zezadu samozrejme ;-) ) coz uz je hromadna souloz per se a tudiz > jeste > > evidentnejsi nabadani k porusovani monogamie (k cemuz ja teda osobne > nenabadam > > ;-)) v porovnani s "trapnou" trojkou ve vysilaci. Nicmene tady zase nejsou > > spojene zadne vystupy takze proti tomu nebude mit zrejme namitky nikdo z > > osazenstva mailing listu ;-) > > > > Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Apr 25 19:44:15 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:45:31 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede In-Reply-To: <20040425181532Z1602737-25152+117589@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20040425181532Z1602737-25152+117589@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <1404345109.20040425204415@volny.cz> No v tomhle moc odbornik s sirokym rozhledem nejsem, ale mam pocit, ze clovek je JEDINY tvor, ktery je pri rozmnozovani obracen obliceji k sobe! JM> a co psi? ti to tez robi zezadu a nikomu to nevadi :)....a videl si nekdy sukat plo?tici? take to cervene co leze dycky v lete kolem hrbitova.... ty sukaji zadkama k sobe......(ale vubec jim JM> nezavidim, ani na partnera(ku) nevidi :) ) JM> ______________________________________________________________ >> Od: Karel Kulhav? >> Komu: Twibright Ronja >> CC: >> Datum: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:35:52 +0000 >> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mi neco jede >> >> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 03:13:49PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: >> > Jestli to z predesleho mailu nebylo znat. Tak ja se distancuji od protestu >> > proti sukajicim svabum, ja jsem pouze doplnil ty argumenty na ktere se tu >> > nekdo ptal. >> >> Hm to je dobre. >> >> Mohli by ale prijit katolici a zacit resit ze ty svaby sukaj zezadu a tedy >> analne, coz muze navozovat asociace s homosexualnim stykem. A ze homosexualita >> je nemravna z jejich axiomu prirozeneho zakona ktery definuje magisterium (coz >> nemuze byt v mem axiomatickem systemu pravda uz z toho duvodu, ze jsem gay) a >> ze by teda mely sukat obracene, tzn. nozickama k sobe. A mohli by pripadne >> argumentovat, ze to kazi mravni vychovu mladeze, protoze Ronju si mohou stavet >> taky deti: >> >> http://lstm.noveveseli.cz/1998-1999/106.jpg >> >> Nicmene bych rad upozornil ze v airwire twisteru je pet sukajicich svabu na >> sobe (zezadu samozrejme ;-) ) coz uz je hromadna souloz per se a tudiz jeste >> evidentnejsi nabadani k porusovani monogamie (k cemuz ja teda osobne nenabadam >> ;-)) v porovnani s "trapnou" trojkou ve vysilaci. Nicmene tady zase nejsou >> spojene zadne vystupy takze proti tomu nebude mit zrejme namitky nikdo z >> osazenstva mailing listu ;-) >> >> Cl< >> >> > Ani jsem nestudoval ty datasheety, protoze je mi to jedno. >> > Dulezity je to ze to chodi a chodi to dlouho a dobre. >> > Proti tvym konstrukcim mam radu vyhrad, ale ty nejsou podstatne. >> > Opodstatneni by se mohli dockat az v momente, kdy by mne napriklad privedly k >> > vlastni, "lepsi", konstrukci. >> > Lepsi v uvozovkach - protoze nikdo nema patent na rozum a vzdycky lze jeden >> > zpusob nejak (castecne) zpochybnit. >> > >> > Jakub >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> JM> -------------------- JM> Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. JM> http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1? JM> _______________________________________________ JM> Ronja mailing list JM> Ronja@lists.pointless.net JM> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From honza at hoidekr.net Sun Apr 25 19:46:38 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:46:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra In-Reply-To: <002201c42ae4$ff784a40$0101a8c0@cz> References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> <1524784858.20040425120125@volny.cz> <009c01c42ac1$7b245590$0414a8c0@pc> <002201c42ae4$ff784a40$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <408C078E.3050801@hoidekr.net> -=RYS=- wrote: >Udelej toto: >1) v GME Blava kup infra LED HSDL-4230 do vysilace >2) v GME Blava kup fotodiodu SFH2030F do prijmace > > > > Uz se tady psalo, ze tohle jde nahradit. Nezkoumal jsem parametry a budu verit. Spise me zajima, jak probiha zamerovani. Psalo se tu o digitalnich fotacich a kamerach, ze s nimi to lze. Muzes uverejnit najeke zabery z fotaku nebo kaery pri zamerovani? Je videt v mlze cely kuzel jako pri cervenem svetle? Je videt dopad svetla na vzdalenou zed- velikost kruhu, jeho stred... ? Nejaky specielni postup zamereni? Dale me zajima, jestli neni infra nebezpenejsi nez cervena LED. Cerveny svetlo si totiz do pokoje svitit nenecham. Neviditelne infra by slo, ale bojim se napr. poskozeni zraku. Diky za odpoved Honza From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 25 21:46:10 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 21:46:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister tests Message-ID: <20040425204610.A1453@beton.cybernet.src> Hello today me and macros have been testing Twister (PCB) vs. AUI Forte on a 860m link. Twister was connected over 8m of UTP cable Belden cat. 5 into a manageable switch which was set to 10Mbps full duplex. AUI was connected into a 3com PCI NIC. Both had the same packetloss 1 of 100 000 with 1472 bytes long packets. We also tried decreasing the operating voltage of the whole Ronja Tetrapolis device. 12V: nominal voltage 9V: no packetloss detected (several seconds watch) 7.5: packetloss detected after switch 9V -> 7.5, then only low packetloss. 5V: 100% packetloss. Conclusion: Twister is OK ;-) Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sun Apr 25 21:51:39 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sun Apr 25 21:51:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uzmi neco jede References: <20040425181532Z1602737-25152+117589@mail.centrum.cz> <1404345109.20040425204415@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002c01c42b07$1b63b060$5046a8c0@cipis.net> ??????????????????????????????????????????? Co jste to ud?lali s m?m p?edm?tem? To je te? o n??em jin?m :-)))))))))))) Cipis From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Apr 25 22:24:53 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Sun Apr 25 22:26:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister tests In-Reply-To: <20040425204610.A1453@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040425204610.A1453@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <16913984985.20040425232453@volny.cz> A jak jste to meli zapojeny? Twister - spojka TP - 8m kabelu - switch ? OndraT KK> Hello KK> today me and macros have been testing Twister (PCB) vs. AUI Forte on a 860m link. KK> Twister was connected over 8m of UTP cable Belden cat. 5 into a manageable KK> switch which was set to 10Mbps full duplex. KK> AUI was connected into a 3com PCI NIC. KK> Both had the same packetloss 1 of 100 000 with 1472 bytes long packets. KK> We also tried decreasing the operating voltage of the whole Ronja Tetrapolis KK> device. KK> 12V: nominal voltage KK> 9V: no packetloss detected (several seconds watch) KK> 7.5: packetloss detected after switch 9V -> 7.5, then only low packetloss. KK> 5V: 100% packetloss. KK> Conclusion: Twister is OK ;-) KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Apr 25 22:34:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 22:34:04 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Twister tests In-Reply-To: <16913984985.20040425232453@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 11:24:53PM +0200 References: <20040425204610.A1453@beton.cybernet.src> <16913984985.20040425232453@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20040425213401.B1513@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 11:24:53PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > A jak jste to meli zapojeny? > Twister - spojka TP - 8m kabelu - switch ? Jo Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Sun Apr 25 23:33:32 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michal_Malusek?=) Date: Sun Apr 25 23:34:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Infra References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> <1524784858.20040425120125@volny.cz> <009c01c42ac1$7b245590$0414a8c0@pc><002201c42ae4$ff784a40$0101a8c0@cz> <408C078E.3050801@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <007701c42b15$573c8c70$0103450a@thechosen> dnes jsem daval na strechu prvni ronjitko, shodou nestastnych okolnosti v infra. fotakem nevidis absolutnbe nic a byl sem neskonale vdecny za to ze jsme na rssi povesil bargrafy s rozsahem na 500mV, doporucuju.zamerovani neceho co neni videt je opruz. hejbani rourama na milimetry, fakt chutovka :) ale na asi 300m RSSI na jedne strane asi 1,8V a na druhe neco pres 500mV. bohuzel data neprotecou, projde tak 4% packetu :( nemam tuseni cim to je, zitra to budu zkumat dal :/ mozna kabely, mozn asitovky realtek, s 3comama mi to behalo na stole v pohe :/ > -=RYS=- wrote: > > >Udelej toto: > >1) v GME Blava kup infra LED HSDL-4230 do vysilace > >2) v GME Blava kup fotodiodu SFH2030F do prijmace > > > > > > > > > Uz se tady psalo, ze tohle jde nahradit. Nezkoumal jsem parametry a budu > verit. > Spise me zajima, jak probiha zamerovani. Psalo se tu o digitalnich > fotacich a kamerach, ze s nimi to lze. > Muzes uverejnit najeke zabery z fotaku nebo kaery pri zamerovani? Je > videt v mlze cely kuzel jako pri cervenem svetle? Je videt dopad svetla > na vzdalenou zed- velikost kruhu, jeho stred... ? > Nejaky specielni postup zamereni? > Dale me zajima, jestli neni infra nebezpenejsi nez cervena LED. Cerveny > svetlo si totiz do pokoje svitit nenecham. Neviditelne infra by slo, ale > bojim se napr. poskozeni zraku. > > Diky za odpoved > Honza From bobriks at volny.cz Mon Apr 26 08:37:17 2004 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Mon Apr 26 08:37:21 2004 Subject: [Ronja] loopback In-Reply-To: <4068200D.6040904@sattnet.cz> References: <003b01c41104$fa578e80$702da8c0@woitaw2k> <4061D3F3.269.143DFD@localhost> <20040324192811.B844@beton.cybernet.src> <4061E75A.1070209@host.sk> <105377941.20040325095747@volny.cz> <4062F228.5070303@host.sk> <20040326175852.D21353@beton.cybernet.src><40657285.606@host.sk> <406583DD.9060903@host.sk><001201c41401$8979cc00$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <40670792.9070809@sattnet.cz> <002c01c414ed$94a718c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <4068200D.6040904@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: V pr?ci kamar?d kdysi z nouze napsal http://www.honirna.cz/czfree/ronja/winfox.zip . Je to m?lo, ale lep?? ne? nic. ;-) Budu r?d, kdy? bys k tomu doporu?il n?jak? freeware pro virtu?ln? COM p?es ethernet. Standa PS: Omlouv?m se, pokud dojde moje p?edch?zej?c? zpr?va o tomt??, ke kter? jsem omylem p?ipojil nezazipovan? winfox.exe. ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "David Sedl??ek" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: [Ronja] loopback Datum: 24.4.2004 - 14:03:22 > Zdravim, shanim utilitku pro testovani hw loopbacku. > Nevite nekdo o necem? > -- Vyu?ijte speci?ln? nab?dky VOLN? ADSL na zkou?ku. Za m?s??n? pau??l a vratnou z?lohu m?te 30 dn? mo?nost otestovat p?ipojen? k internetu rychlost? 512/128 kbit/s. V?ce na http://sluzby.volny.cz/product/adsl/adsl_trial/ From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Apr 26 09:13:20 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Apr 26 09:13:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede In-Reply-To: <000a01c429ac$c0719740$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <408CE0C0.10893.1C425D@localhost> Jak velkej byl ten metalizovanej odpor? Muj dojem podlozeny merenim, je ze odpory mensi nez 10k jsou rovnocenne. Krom toho se v ronje par. indukcnost odporu nema kde projevit. On 24 Apr 2004 at 5:32, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Ehm...jelikoz je tam 1MHz a vice, tak samozrejme bezindukcni uhlikovy > odpor > > > ... NE METALIZOVANY!! > > > > Jak vypada vevnitr metalizovany odpor? > > > > Cl< > > > Pust si skrze metalizovanej odpor 10MHz hrany...... a podivej se na oscik co > to s tim provede. > Pak si to pust skrze klasickej uhlikac a porovnej........ > > > -=RYS=- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Apr 26 09:19:28 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Apr 26 09:19:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] jak rychle otestovat linku? In-Reply-To: <98281420.20040423152622@volny.cz> Message-ID: <408CE230.4421.21DDAD@localhost> Pouzit sitove karty SMC. Jejich servisni utilitka "ezstart.exe" umoznuje testovat kazdy smer zvlast. Staci nastavit v testu adresu proti karty a zrusit cekani na odpoved. Na prijmu se pak ukaze jestli pakety prichazi a je mozno shlednout statistiku chyb. On 23 Apr 2004 at 15:26, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > nemate prosim nekdo tip, jak od PC otestovat kazdou pulku spoje > zvlast? Nejak mam obcas tedka vypadky, tak nevim jestli je to v > zamereni ci kde, ale rad bych zjistil, ktera pulka spoje to dela. > > OndraT > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Apr 26 09:41:53 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Mon Apr 26 09:41:44 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]tak uz mineco jede In-Reply-To: <095d01c428ac$7fe07940$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <408CE771.16073.366624@localhost> On 22 Apr 2004 at 22:57, Ji ? Krul wrote: > Mam dve vysoke a tak mi mozna doslo co tim chtel basnik rici :-))). Ale humanitniho typu, takze asi jenom iluze osviceni. > Basnik se na slucovani hradel diva stejne jako na slucovani tranzistoru, > pokud potrebuji z vykonovych duvodu > misto jednoho tranzistoru pouzit vice tranzistoru musim z duvodu nestejnych > vlastnosti pred kazdy vclenit maly odpor. > Obecne paralelni razeni tranzistoru muze byt problem ==> stejne to bude u > hradel. > > Faktem je, ze to neni az tak uplne pravda, ale musim uznat, ze prvni co me > na vysilaci zarazilo bylo buzeni LED tak velkym poctem hradel pokud se > nepletu 15 hradel > (nemam po ruce schema). > Basnik chce zrejme rici, ze logictejsim resenim by bylo pouziti jednoho > hradla a jeho vykonove posileni, treba tranzistorem. > Spojovat se hradla muzou, pokud maji stejnou funkci a spojene i vstupy. Podstata veci je, ze oproti diskretnim tranzistorum, jsou hradla na jednom cipu stejna. Presto i pri "normalni" funkci na zlomek sekundy nastava, ze vedou oba tranzistory na vystupu najednou a je s tim pocitano. Pak jeste do hry vstupuji nejruznejsi odpory a jejich teplotni zavislosti. Hlavne je treba si uvedomit, ze je to CMOS technologie a ze tento jev nastane nejvyse po dobu 10ns! (dramaticky odhad) a pak je klid rekneme nejmene dalsich 40ns, kdy vedou jen horni nebo dolni spinace. Obecne pak lze rici, ze pokud se brouk pri provozu neprehriva, tak je zapojeni v poradku. From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 26 12:41:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 26 12:41:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] loopback In-Reply-To: ; from bobriks@volny.cz on Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 09:37:17AM +0200 References: <20040324192811.B844@beton.cybernet.src> <4061E75A.1070209@host.sk> <105377941.20040325095747@volny.cz> <4062F228.5070303@host.sk> <20040326175852.D21353@beton.cybernet.src><40657285.606@host.sk> <406583DD.9060903@host.sk><001201c41401$8979cc00$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <40670792.9070809@sattnet.cz> <002c01c414ed$94a718c0$5046a8c0@cipis.net> <4068200D.6040904@sattnet.cz> Message-ID: <20040426114103.A3144@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 09:37:17AM +0200, Standa Bobrik wrote: > V pr?ci kamar?d kdysi z nouze napsal > http://www.honirna.cz/czfree/ronja/winfox.zip . > Je to m?lo, ale lep?? ne? nic. ;-) > Budu r?d, kdy? bys k tomu doporu?il > n?jak? freeware pro virtu?ln? COM > p?es ethernet. Nejak tu nemam windows a ve wine mi to nejde spustit takze vubec nevim, co to dela :( Cl< > > Standa > > PS: Omlouv?m se, pokud dojde moje > p?edch?zej?c? zpr?va o tomt??, ke kter? > jsem omylem p?ipojil nezazipovan? > winfox.exe. > > > ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- > Od: "David Sedl??ek" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > P?edm?t: [Ronja] loopback > Datum: 24.4.2004 - 14:03:22 > > > Zdravim, shanim utilitku pro testovani hw loopbacku. > > Nevite nekdo o necem? > > > > > -- > Vyu?ijte speci?ln? nab?dky VOLN? ADSL na zkou?ku. Za m?s??n? > pau??l a vratnou z?lohu m?te 30 dn? mo?nost otestovat p?ipojen? k > internetu rychlost? 512/128 kbit/s. V?ce na > http://sluzby.volny.cz/product/adsl/adsl_trial/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From aldik at quick.cz Mon Apr 26 13:23:20 2004 From: aldik at quick.cz (aldik@quick.cz) Date: Mon Apr 26 13:51:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] loopback Message-ID: <2835910283618c.283618c2835910@iol.cz> Hele kluci kdyz mi polopaticky reknete co to ma delat tak vam to ve widlych napisu namiru... ale hodne polopaticky...nejsem hardwarar ale programator;-) s portama jsem si trochu hral... > > Budu r?d, kdy? bys k tomu doporu?il > > n?jak? freeware pro virtu?ln? COM > > p?es ethernet. Aldik From ilicz at seznam.cz Mon Apr 26 14:23:32 2004 From: ilicz at seznam.cz (ILICZ von Cwok) Date: Mon Apr 26 14:07:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] loopback In-Reply-To: <2835910283618c.283618c2835910@iol.cz> References: <2835910283618c.283618c2835910@iol.cz> Message-ID: <200404261523.32693.ilicz@seznam.cz> Vychazim jen z tech tri radku co jsi sem ocitoval, ale domnivam se, ze jde o to, pres Ethernet (LAN) nasdilet (zpristupnit) vzdalene COM port jineho PC ;o) Tzn, ze ja bych za pouziti takoveho SW byl schopny pouzivat COM porty tveho PC a pritom na mem PC by se to hlasilo treba jako COM5 ;o) (prosdte virtualni port) Zdarek ILICZ Dne pond?l? 26 duben 2004 14:23 aldik@quick.cz napsal(a): > Hele kluci kdyz mi polopaticky reknete co to ma delat tak vam to ve widlych > napisu namiru... ale hodne polopaticky...nejsem hardwarar ale > programator;-) s portama jsem si trochu hral... > > > > Budu r?d, kdy? bys k tomu doporu?il > > > n?jak? freeware pro virtu?ln? COM > > > p?es ethernet. > > Aldik > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kucik at net22.cz Mon Apr 26 14:24:30 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Mon Apr 26 14:22:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju In-Reply-To: <1524784858.20040425120125@volny.cz> References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040426152349.00a1ed70@mail.net22.cz> At 12:01 25.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: >Udelej si vylet do Prahy a koupis tady vsechno. >Cocky u vietnamcu v trznici, soucastky v GM elektronic, a kdyz si das >sraz se mnou, tak mohu nabidnout i diody E4000. A nebo si jich kup >stangli 60ks na www.ryston.cz (ty F4000 nemaj, usetri je dotazu :-)Ty >F4000 sice mozna existujou, ale nevim o nikom kdo by je nekdy mel v >ruce, takze si myslim, ze jsou neco jako "svaty gral" - vsichni o nem >vi, ale nikdo ho nevidel. To neni pravda treba ja je tam mam. Kucik >OndraT > >RS> Zdravim vsetkych vospolok, > > >RS> Rad by som sa pridal k radom spokojnych pouzivatelov Ronje. Uz nejaku >dobu sa pohravam s myslienkou skonstruovat tento vynalez, no potykam sa s >tazkostami pri zhanani dielov. Prestudoval som si >RS> mnozstvo starsich prispevkov na tuto temu na tomto fore, no vacsina >informacii je negativneho razu, t.j. kde co nemam sancu zohnat. Konkretne: > >RS> Sosovky: > >RS> 130mm v Bratislave nezozeniem. Podla vsetkeho najvacsi bezne vyrabany >rozmer v nasich zemepisnych sirkach je 100mm, ktory preda napr. firma >Acron na Trnavskej ulici. Zvazujem pouzitie presnejsich >RS> brusenych sosoviek. Vstupil som do jednania s Meoptou Prerov, no >zatial nemam odpoved, ake najvacsie sosovky mi mozu dodat. > >RS> Dalsia moznost je Vieden, kde by mali byt este lepsie moznosti ako v >Prahe, ale zatial nemam ziadne zachytne body. Keby niekto vedel o vhodnom >zozname rakuskych firiem, od ktoreho sa da odrazit. >RS> Bohuzial nie som dobry nemcinar, takze v hladani nemeckych stranok cez >Google som dost lavy. :( > >RS> Diody: > >RS> Na stranke vyrobcu Lumileds som zistil, ze ich vyhradny distributor je >Future Electronics, ktory ma aj zastupenie vo Viedni. V ponukach na >strankach Lumileds a Future Electronics vsak nie je >RS> ziadna zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000, jedine HPWT-BD00-E4000. Jedina >zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000 je v technickych specifikaciach vyrobcu. Jedna >sa o novy model, ktory sa len zacina distribuovat? Odkial >RS> ho kupujete? Future Electronics som zatial nekontaktoval. > >RS> Tranzistory: > >RS> BF908 som nenasiel v ponuke GME ani Conrad. Najblizsi bol BF988. > > >RS> Vopred vdaka za akekolvek info > > >RS> Robert Szelepcsenyi > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 ------------- daląí část --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Apr 26 14:25:57 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Apr 26 14:26:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040426152349.00a1ed70@mail.net22.cz> References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> <5.1.0.14.0.20040426152349.00a1ed70@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <200404261525.57853.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > To neni pravda treba ja je tam mam. A to vis 100% , nebo si to jen myslis ;-) -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From ilicz at seznam.cz Mon Apr 26 14:44:31 2004 From: ilicz at seznam.cz (ILICZ von Cwok) Date: Mon Apr 26 14:28:33 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju In-Reply-To: <200404261525.57853.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> <5.1.0.14.0.20040426152349.00a1ed70@mail.net22.cz> <200404261525.57853.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <200404261544.31546.ilicz@seznam.cz> Anebo je stejne nedosazitelna jako ony zminovane soucastky ;o) Dne pond?l? 26 duben 2004 15:25 Petr Zapadlo napsal(a): > > To neni pravda treba ja je tam mam. > > A to vis 100% , nebo si to jen myslis ;-) From aldik at quick.cz Mon Apr 26 14:47:05 2004 From: aldik at quick.cz (aldik@quick.cz) Date: Mon Apr 26 14:47:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] loopback Message-ID: <2861a9a285d605.285d6052861a9a@iol.cz> to chapu,ale jeste nejake specialni pozadavky na aplikaci? I tak je to dost kusee;-) Nejake fce atd.? Myslim ze se seriovym portem to zvladnu....a vytvoreni virtualniho portu jsem take nekde videl... Co do toho dal chcete...chapejte ze ja ronju neladim ja ji jeste ani na vlastni oci nevidel;-) Vazne netusim co tam posilate a co prijimate aby jste optimalne zjistili vse co potrebujete vedet atd atd. atd. Nebo Vam bude stacit neco co Vam na jednom PC udela virtualni port a nadruhem bude odesilat data ze serioveho portu? Nebo nemate nekdo nejake to DEMO?Bych videl jak to ma vypadat? ----- P?vodn? zpr?va ----- Odes?latel: ILICZ von Cwok Datum: Pond?l?, 26.dubna 2004 - 3:23 odp. P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] loopback > Vychazim jen z tech tri radku co jsi sem ocitoval, ale domnivam > se, ze jde o > to, pres Ethernet (LAN) nasdilet (zpristupnit) vzdalene COM port > jineho PC > ;o) > Tzn, ze ja bych za pouziti takoveho SW byl schopny pouzivat COM > porty tveho PC > a pritom na mem PC by se to hlasilo treba jako COM5 ;o) (prosdte > virtualni > port) > > Zdarek ILICZ > > Dne pond?l? 26 duben 2004 14:23 aldik@quick.cz napsal(a): > > Hele kluci kdyz mi polopaticky reknete co to ma delat tak vam to > ve widlych > > napisu namiru... ale hodne polopaticky...nejsem hardwarar ale > > programator;-) s portama jsem si trochu hral... > > > > > > Budu r?d, kdy? bys k tomu doporu?il > > > > n?jak? freeware pro virtu?ln? COM > > > > p?es ethernet. > > > > Aldik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 26 14:52:38 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 26 14:52:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040426152349.00a1ed70@mail.net22.cz>; from kucik@net22.cz on Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 03:24:30PM +0200 References: <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> <77BC4473DC93304985050C5E32C7B80C03933B@nt.tankred.sk> <1524784858.20040425120125@volny.cz> <5.1.0.14.0.20040426152349.00a1ed70@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20040426135238.A3512@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 03:24:30PM +0200, Martin wrote: > At 12:01 25.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > >Udelej si vylet do Prahy a koupis tady vsechno. > >Cocky u vietnamcu v trznici, soucastky v GM elektronic, a kdyz si das > >sraz se mnou, tak mohu nabidnout i diody E4000. A nebo si jich kup > >stangli 60ks na www.ryston.cz (ty F4000 nemaj, usetri je dotazu :-)Ty > >F4000 sice mozna existujou, ale nevim o nikom kdo by je nekdy mel v > >ruce, takze si myslim, ze jsou neco jako "svaty gral" - vsichni o nem > >vi, ale nikdo ho nevidel. > > To neni pravda treba ja je tam mam. Kde jsi je koupil? Cl< From kucik at net22.cz Mon Apr 26 15:46:35 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Mon Apr 26 15:45:01 2004 Subject: Fwd: Re[2]: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040426164534.00a25e80@mail.net22.cz> >Delivered-To: advis_vmd-kucik@net22.cz >Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:39:29 +0200 >From: Ondrej Tesar >X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.46e/CZ) >Reply-To: Ondrej Tesar >To: Martin >Subject: Re[2]: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju > Koupil jsem je na mistnim mailing listu a byly vydyvany za F4000 >A kde jsi je koupil? >Ondra > >M> At 12:01 25.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > >>Udelej si vylet do Prahy a koupis tady vsechno. > >>Cocky u vietnamcu v trznici, soucastky v GM elektronic, a kdyz si das > >>sraz se mnou, tak mohu nabidnout i diody E4000. A nebo si jich kup > >>stangli 60ks na www.ryston.cz (ty F4000 nemaj, usetri je dotazu :-)Ty > >>F4000 sice mozna existujou, ale nevim o nikom kdo by je nekdy mel v > >>ruce, takze si myslim, ze jsou neco jako "svaty gral" - vsichni o nem > >>vi, ale nikdo ho nevidel. > >M> To neni pravda treba ja je tam mam. > >M> Kucik > > > > >>OndraT > >> > >>RS> Zdravim vsetkych vospolok, > >> > >> > >>RS> Rad by som sa pridal k radom spokojnych pouzivatelov Ronje. Uz nejaku > >>dobu sa pohravam s myslienkou skonstruovat tento vynalez, no potykam sa s > >>tazkostami pri zhanani dielov. Prestudoval som si > >>RS> mnozstvo starsich prispevkov na tuto temu na tomto fore, no vacsina > >>informacii je negativneho razu, t.j. kde co nemam sancu zohnat. Konkretne: > >> > >>RS> Sosovky: > >> > >>RS> 130mm v Bratislave nezozeniem. Podla vsetkeho najvacsi bezne vyrabany > >>rozmer v nasich zemepisnych sirkach je 100mm, ktory preda napr. firma > >>Acron na Trnavskej ulici. Zvazujem pouzitie presnejsich > >>RS> brusenych sosoviek. Vstupil som do jednania s Meoptou Prerov, no > >>zatial nemam odpoved, ake najvacsie sosovky mi mozu dodat. > >> > >>RS> Dalsia moznost je Vieden, kde by mali byt este lepsie moznosti ako v > >>Prahe, ale zatial nemam ziadne zachytne body. Keby niekto vedel o vhodnom > >>zozname rakuskych firiem, od ktoreho sa da odrazit. > >>RS> Bohuzial nie som dobry nemcinar, takze v hladani nemeckych stranok cez > >>Google som dost lavy. :( > >> > >>RS> Diody: > >> > >>RS> Na stranke vyrobcu Lumileds som zistil, ze ich vyhradny distributor je > >>Future Electronics, ktory ma aj zastupenie vo Viedni. V ponukach na > >>strankach Lumileds a Future Electronics vsak nie je > >>RS> ziadna zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000, jedine HPWT-BD00-E4000. Jedina > >>zmienka o HPWT-BD00-F4000 je v technickych specifikaciach vyrobcu. Jedna > >>sa o novy model, ktory sa len zacina distribuovat? Odkial > >>RS> ho kupujete? Future Electronics som zatial nekontaktoval. > >> > >>RS> Tranzistory: > >> > >>RS> BF908 som nenasiel v ponuke GME ani Conrad. Najblizsi bol BF988. > >> > >> > >>RS> Vopred vdaka za akekolvek info > >> > >> > >>RS> Robert Szelepcsenyi > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ronja mailing list > >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > >> > >> > >>--- > >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 > > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 ------------- daląí část --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 From kucik at net22.cz Mon Apr 26 15:48:26 2004 From: kucik at net22.cz (Martin) Date: Mon Apr 26 15:46:50 2004 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040426164737.00a1d9c0@mail.net22.cz> >Delivered-To: advis_vmd-kucik@net22.cz >Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:52:38 +0000 >From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?= >To: Twibright Ronja >Subject: Re: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju >User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i >X-Orientation: Gay >X-BeenThere: ronja@lists.pointless.net >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 >Reply-To: Twibright Ronja >List-Id: Twibright Ronja >List-Unsubscribe: , > >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: , > >Sender: ronja-bounces+kucik=net22.cz@lists.pointless.net >On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 03:24:30PM +0200, Martin wrote: > > At 12:01 25.4.2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > > >Udelej si vylet do Prahy a koupis tady vsechno. > > >Cocky u vietnamcu v trznici, soucastky v GM elektronic, a kdyz si das > > >sraz se mnou, tak mohu nabidnout i diody E4000. A nebo si jich kup > > >stangli 60ks na www.ryston.cz (ty F4000 nemaj, usetri je dotazu :-)Ty > > >F4000 sice mozna existujou, ale nevim o nikom kdo by je nekdy mel v > > >ruce, takze si myslim, ze jsou neco jako "svaty gral" - vsichni o nem > > >vi, ale nikdo ho nevidel. > > > > To neni pravda treba ja je tam mam. > >Kde jsi je koupil? > > >Cl< Na mistim mail listu je nekdo prodaval Kucik >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 ------------- daląí část --------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21.4.2004 From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 26 16:08:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 26 16:08:55 2004 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Ronja] FW: Suciastky na Ronju In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040426164737.00a1d9c0@mail.net22.cz>; from kucik@net22.cz on Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 04:48:26PM +0200 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040426164737.00a1d9c0@mail.net22.cz> Message-ID: <20040426150853.A3567@beton.cybernet.src> > > > >Udelej si vylet do Prahy a koupis tady vsechno. > > > >Cocky u vietnamcu v trznici, soucastky v GM elektronic, a kdyz si das > > > >sraz se mnou, tak mohu nabidnout i diody E4000. A nebo si jich kup > > > >stangli 60ks na www.ryston.cz (ty F4000 nemaj, usetri je dotazu :-)Ty > > > >F4000 sice mozna existujou, ale nevim o nikom kdo by je nekdy mel v > > > >ruce, takze si myslim, ze jsou neco jako "svaty gral" - vsichni o nem > > > >vi, ale nikdo ho nevidel. > > > > > > To neni pravda treba ja je tam mam. > > > >Kde jsi je koupil? > > > > > >Cl< > > Na mistim mail listu je nekdo prodaval Jak vis ze to jsou F4000? l< From Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz Mon Apr 26 16:51:21 2004 From: Damir.Spoljaric at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Damir=20=A9poljari=E8?=) Date: Mon Apr 26 16:51:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyzva vsem!!! Ronja meeting Message-ID: <603490.1198523-18607-1923871907-1082994681@seznam.cz> Zdravim vsechny. Mam takovy napad, ktery se mi dnes zrodil v hlave ;) Usporadat takovy mensi Ronja meeting, ktery by se uskutecnil v Praze na dohodnutem miste a case ;) Bylo by to pro vsechny priznivce projektu Ronja. (doufam ze vcetne clocka ;) ). prosimte napiste sve nazory a napady, kde by se to mohlo uskutecnit ;) S pozdravem Damir as neo10 ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742§ion=/ From bobriks at volny.cz Mon Apr 26 17:18:52 2004 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Mon Apr 26 17:18:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] loopback In-Reply-To: <2861a9a285d605.285d6052861a9a@iol.cz> References: <2861a9a285d605.285d6052861a9a@iol.cz> Message-ID: <1c47c90ec094f918176592c0fb915912@www1.mail.volny.cz> > Nebo nemate nekdo nejake to DEMO?Bych videl jak to ma > vypadat? Tak polopatisticky: Pro zacatek by uplne stacilo okopirovat ksichtik toho "meho" Winfoxe: - jako Seriovy port by se nabizel(y) virtualni port(y) nasdilene pres ethernet ze vzdaleneho PC presne jak to napsal ILICZ, - Bitu za sekundu, Datovych bitu atd. to je jasne..., - Vysilani je konstantni testovaci retezec znaku (THE QUICK BROWN FOX... obsahuje vsechny obyc. ASCII znaky), ktere by tvuj 'winfox' posilal do virtual. portu. Projdou Ronjou a vypadnou na vzdalenem fyzickem portu jako TXD (pin2-CANON9). Z TXD je loopback dratem na RXD (pin3-CANON9) a data se vraceji Ronjou zpet na virualni port. - Winfox vysle najednou jeden testovaci retezec a pak pocita, kolik shodnych znaku z nej se mu maximalne do nejakeho timeoutu vratilo. V poli Chybovost ukazuje prubezne podil chybne prijatych a chybejicich znaku ku vsem vyslanym znakum. - Buttonem START se krome vysilani/prijmu spusti pro info obsluze i vkusna vrtulka:) pootacejici se o 90st. pri kazdem korektne prijatem znaku. V idealnim pripade je v poli Chybovost stale cislo 0.0E+0 a vrtulka se plynule toci. :-) STOP, EXIT je jasny...... Ono by v podstate stacilo, jen kdybys napsal tu cast na sdileni vzdaleneho fyzickeho portu pres Ronju. Problem je ale, ze "muj" Winfox je napsany napevno pro COM1/COM2 a neumi si ocuchat jiny realny, resp. virtualni hw pod sebou. Pokud by se toto dalo nejak osetrit, tak neni nutne novy Winfox psat. Jinak samozrejme uplne idealni by bylo "hazet" testovaci pakety s vlastni MAC/IP adresou do sitovky, projit Ronjou, na druhem konci by se udelala za optikou (v Twisteru), nebo dokonce az na T a R parech UTPcka dratova smycka a pakety by se vratily zpet a vyhodnotily. Ale to nevim nakolik je sitovka softwarove takto znasilnitelna. Nasledne by se takove reseni dalo zavedenim nejakeho protokolu rozsirit do podoby mereni chybovosti na vzdalenem konci jako ma Crusader. Howgh, Standa > > > ----- P?vodn? zpr?va ----- > Odes?latel: ILICZ von Cwok > Datum: Pond?l?, 26.dubna 2004 - 3:23 odp. > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] loopback > > > Vychazim jen z tech tri radku co jsi sem ocitoval, > > ale domnivam > > se, ze jde o > > to, pres Ethernet (LAN) nasdilet (zpristupnit) > > vzdalene COM port > > jineho PC > > ;o) > > Tzn, ze ja bych za pouziti takoveho SW byl schopny > > pouzivat COM > > porty tveho PC > > a pritom na mem PC by se to hlasilo treba jako COM5 > > ;o) (prosdte > > virtualni > > port) > > > > Zdarek ILICZ > > > > Dne pond?l? 26 duben 2004 14:23 aldik@quick.cz > > napsal(a): > > > Hele kluci kdyz mi polopaticky reknete co to ma > > > delat tak vam to > > ve widlych > > > napisu namiru... ale hodne polopaticky...nejsem > > > hardwarar ale > > > programator;-) s portama jsem si trochu hral... > > > > > > > > Budu r?d, kdy? bys k tomu doporu?il > > > > > n?jak? freeware pro virtu?ln? COM > > > > > p?es ethernet. > > > > > > Aldik > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Vyu?ijte speci?ln? nab?dky VOLN? ADSL na zkou?ku. Za m?s??n? pau??l a vratnou z?lohu m?te 30 dn? mo?nost otestovat p?ipojen? k internetu rychlost? 512/128 kbit/s. V?ce na http://sluzby.volny.cz/product/adsl/adsl_trial/ From punjab at punjabcz.net Mon Apr 26 17:25:26 2004 From: punjab at punjabcz.net (punjab) Date: Mon Apr 26 17:25:15 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyzva vsem!!! Ronja meeting In-Reply-To: <603490.1198523-18607-1923871907-1082994681@seznam.cz> References: <603490.1198523-18607-1923871907-1082994681@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <408D37F6.6070103@punjabcz.net> Myslim, ze by to melo vyznam, kdyby se tam napriklad ozivovali nefunkcni kousky ronji. Lide co nejsou elektronici maji s ozivovanim problem. Zkusenejsi by jim mohli pomoci. Popripade by mohl byt prodej soucastek sehnatelnych pouze v RYSTONU. Damir ?poljari? wrote: >Zdravim vsechny. >Mam takovy napad, ktery se mi dnes zrodil v hlave ;) Usporadat takovy mensi Ronja meeting, ktery by se uskutecnil v Praze na dohodnutem miste a case ;) Bylo by to pro vsechny priznivce projektu Ronja. (doufam ze vcetne clocka ;) ). > >prosimte napiste sve nazory a napady, kde by se to mohlo uskutecnit ;) > >S pozdravem Damir as neo10 >____________________________________________________________ >Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte >http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742§ion=/ > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From cbedison at centrum.cz Mon Apr 26 18:05:20 2004 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Mon Apr 26 18:07:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyzva vsem!!! Ronja meeting Message-ID: <20040426170523Z2333251-3182+53548@mail.centrum.cz> zdravim, > Zdravim vsechny. > Mam takovy napad, ktery se mi dnes zrodil v hlave ;) Usporadat takovy mensi Ronja meeting, ktery by se uskutecnil v Praze na dohodnutem miste a case ;) Bylo by to pro vsechny priznivce projektu Ronja. (doufam ze vcetne clocka ;) ). > > prosimte napiste sve nazory a napady, kde by se to mohlo uskutecnit ;) > > S pozdravem Damir as neo10 mno proc ne :) mne se ten napad libi :) ja osobne bych se klidne zucastnil Edison Radotin -------------------- Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Mon Apr 26 18:12:05 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Mon Apr 26 18:13:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyzva vsem!!! Ronja meeting Message-ID: <20040426171210Z1595296-25152+150281@mail.centrum.cz> no, to by nebylo spatne, ale myslim si, ze kdyby tam kazdy privezl 6 nefunkcnich TS jako mam ja ze by to asi ....... neslo :)......, hlavne, kde bys chtel ty nefunkcni davat dokupy? k tomu potrebujes vybavicku, naradicko....... no.... nevim :) ______________________________________________________________ > Od: punjab > Komu: Damir ?poljari? , Twibright Ronja > CC: > Datum: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:25:26 +0200 > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Vyzva vsem!!! Ronja meeting > > Myslim, ze by to melo vyznam, kdyby se tam napriklad ozivovali nefunkcni > kousky ronji. > Lide co nejsou elektronici maji s ozivovanim problem. Zkusenejsi by jim > mohli pomoci. > Popripade by mohl byt prodej soucastek sehnatelnych pouze v RYSTONU. > > > Damir ?poljari? wrote: > > >Zdravim vsechny. > >Mam takovy napad, ktery se mi dnes zrodil v hlave ;) Usporadat takovy mensi Ronja meeting, ktery by se uskutecnil v Praze na dohodnutem miste a case ;) Bylo by to pro vsechny priznivce projektu Ronja. (doufam ze vcetne clocka ;) ). > > > >prosimte napiste sve nazory a napady, kde by se to mohlo uskutecnit ;) > > > >S pozdravem Damir as neo10 > >____________________________________________________________ > >Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte > >http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742§ion=/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -------------------- Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 From clock at twibright.com Mon Apr 26 18:30:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Apr 26 18:30:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: good project and some questions In-Reply-To: <24375.81.58.241.230.1082997346.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>; from j.destigter@gandalf.nl on Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 06:35:46PM +0200 References: <24375.81.58.241.230.1082997346.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20040426173044.A3772@beton.cybernet.src> > 1) Is there an option for me of buying the PCB from you ?. > I do know that you are not a PCB producing company but I > am willing to pay some extra to you as a sponsor. I am not producing the PCBs. I doubt it is effective to order PCBs from Czech republic when you can mail the files to any manufactuer in NL. > 2) Why are the PCB design of thr RX unit ant the TX unit > not on your website?. I do have read a PDF about it and it > could be a nice contribution to the project. There aren't still any official. > 4) Is there any play on the website where there is an > explanation of how the design works or why a certain > solution is chosen?. I do ask this question because I Someone has written an explanation (I am not sure but think it's in Czech) and put it online and gave the URL into the mailing list, however didn't put it on the Wiki. > would like to understand the electronic circuits. Being an > electric engineer it is always nice to learn form the > design of other people > > This last question I do ask because I think it is maybe > possible for me to help the project. > Is it ok to set up a website where there is some > explanation of the design of the circuit ?. I did study it Yes. You can put it on the wiki if you want. Cl< From pavkriz at gybon.cz Mon Apr 26 19:21:33 2004 From: pavkriz at gybon.cz (Pavel Kriz) Date: Mon Apr 26 19:21:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] OT: Idea - Fiber + RX&TX @ 100Mbps? Message-ID: <408D532D.8030606@gybon.cz> Ahoj, napadla me (asi ne prvniho) tato idea (zpetne psychoanalyzovano - mirne inspirovana videem z CESNETu ;): 1) pouzit Fiber sitovku na 100Mpbs 2) od ni vest opticke kabely do RX a TX 3) v RX a TX by byl v postate "jen" zesilovac a tvarovac vhodny pro dane pasmo - v TX by byla na vstupu fotodioda do fiberu a na vystupu nejaka ta LEDka nebo neco co zvladne modulovanych 100Mpbs - v RX zase opacne Prosim nejak mi bud vyvratte nebo potvrdte zda by to slo pouzivat nebo ne... Pripadne jestli to nejak postrada smysl ;) Me to totiz prijde do budoucna mozna celkem levna koncepce az se este trochu zlevni fiber sitovky - protoze by se mediaconvertor v podstate prenesl do "spotrebni sfery" oproti Crusaderu kde je porad soucastkou, ktera se proste nebude nikdy valet jen tak nekde na rozdil od sitovek... Pavel From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Mon Apr 26 19:37:56 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Apr 27 02:44:32 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyzva vsem!!! Ronja meeting In-Reply-To: <20040426171210Z1595296-25152+150281@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <408D7324.22153.1881B1@localhost> No, nefunkcni exemplare se rozchazeji po predchozi domluve v mem strahovskem doupeti :) Pokud by slo o seminar, tak mam dva navrhy: 1) Hospoda u Pinkasu v Praze u Vaclavskeho namesti. Schazi se tam fyzici a jina havet, tak proc ne bastliri. Krom toho cena piva je prijatelna. Ale maximum je 10 debateru, vic se jich ke stolu nevejde. 2) FEL CVUT v Dejvicich, nekdy v odpolednich hodinach (super by bylo pristi pondeli od 15:00 do 17:45, to mam cas). Muzu "zabrat" mistnost s tabuli a vejde se tam 10-20 lidi jako nic. Jenom je treba predem pripravit osnovu, co se bude delat. On 26 Apr 2004 at 19:12, Jakub Michn?k wrote: > no, to by nebylo spatne, ale myslim si, ze kdyby tam kazdy privezl 6 nefunkcnich TS jako mam ja ze by to asi ....... neslo :)......, hlavne, kde bys chtel ty nefunkcni davat dokupy? k tomu potrebujes vybavicku, naradicko....... no.... nevim :) > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: punjab > > Komu: Damir poljari , Twibright Ronja > > CC: > > Datum: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:25:26 +0200 > > P edm t: Re: [Ronja] Vyzva vsem!!! Ronja meeting > > > > Myslim, ze by to melo vyznam, kdyby se tam napriklad ozivovali nefunkcni > > kousky ronji. > > Lide co nejsou elektronici maji s ozivovanim problem. Zkusenejsi by jim > > mohli pomoci. > > Popripade by mohl byt prodej soucastek sehnatelnych pouze v RYSTONU. > > > > > > Damir poljari wrote: > > > > >Zdravim vsechny. > > >Mam takovy napad, ktery se mi dnes zrodil v hlave ;) Usporadat takovy mensi Ronja meeting, ktery by se uskutecnil v Praze na dohodnutem miste a case ;) Bylo by to pro vsechny priznivce projektu Ronja. (doufam ze vcetne clocka ;) ). > > > > > >prosimte napiste sve nazory a napady, kde by se to mohlo uskutecnit ;) > > > > > >S pozdravem Damir as neo10 > > >____________________________________________________________ > > >Obchodn? d m.cz - irok sortiment dom?c?ch spot ebi a elektroniky, v razn? slevy. Nav tivte > > >http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742§ion=/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Ronja mailing list > > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -------------------- > Zale te si do EU za esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m st EU. > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.klm.com/cz_cz//specials_offers/action_fares/europe/index.jsp?ComponentID=5617&SourcePageID=35118#1 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jkrul at seznam.cz Tue Apr 27 11:52:41 2004 From: jkrul at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?Smn47SBLcnVs?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 11:53:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]takuz mineco jede References: <408CE771.16073.366624@localhost> Message-ID: <039301c42c45$c3d26e50$0414a8c0@pc> Bohuzel, technickeho typu , zadna obet humanizmu :-))) 1. Nikdy jsem nerekl, ze to v Ronje nebude fungovat nebo nelze pouzit. 2. >Podstata veci je, ze oproti diskretnim tranzistorum, jsou hradla na jednom cipu stejna. Ja tupy humanista se domnival, ze v tomto pripade jsou hradla na trech cipech. Dokonce to neni pravda ani u hradel na stejnem cipu nicmene mate pravdu, ze si jsou natolik podobna, ze z ciste praktickeho hlediska je lze povazovat za stejna a rozdily se zacnou projevovat az v extremnich pripadech kdy nejsou nejakym zpusobem dodrzeny pracovni podminky IC. 3. Pripuste, ze nenajdete mnoho hromadne vyrabenych zarizeni u kterych se vykonovy prvek budi primo 15ks hradel. Pokud nestaci vykon hradel, ktere mam volne v pouzitem IC nepridam dalsi 2 IC s hradlama, ale vykonovy prvek, kterym posilim budici hradlo. Vyjde to levneji, bude to mensi, mene poruchove a snadneji opravitelne. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]takuz mineco jede On 22 Apr 2004 at 22:57, Ji ? Krul wrote: > Mam dve vysoke a tak mi mozna doslo co tim chtel basnik rici :-))). Ale humanitniho typu, takze asi jenom iluze osviceni. > Basnik se na slucovani hradel diva stejne jako na slucovani tranzistoru, > pokud potrebuji z vykonovych duvodu > misto jednoho tranzistoru pouzit vice tranzistoru musim z duvodu nestejnych > vlastnosti pred kazdy vclenit maly odpor. > Obecne paralelni razeni tranzistoru muze byt problem ==> stejne to bude u > hradel. > > Faktem je, ze to neni az tak uplne pravda, ale musim uznat, ze prvni co me > na vysilaci zarazilo bylo buzeni LED tak velkym poctem hradel pokud se > nepletu 15 hradel > (nemam po ruce schema). > Basnik chce zrejme rici, ze logictejsim resenim by bylo pouziti jednoho > hradla a jeho vykonove posileni, treba tranzistorem. > Spojovat se hradla muzou, pokud maji stejnou funkci a spojene i vstupy. Podstata veci je, ze oproti diskretnim tranzistorum, jsou hradla na jednom cipu stejna. Presto i pri "normalni" funkci na zlomek sekundy nastava, ze vedou oba tranzistory na vystupu najednou a je s tim pocitano. Pak jeste do hry vstupuji nejruznejsi odpory a jejich teplotni zavislosti. Hlavne je treba si uvedomit, ze je to CMOS technologie a ze tento jev nastane nejvyse po dobu 10ns! (dramaticky odhad) a pak je klid rekneme nejmene dalsich 40ns, kdy vedou jen horni nebo dolni spinace. Obecne pak lze rici, ze pokud se brouk pri provozu neprehriva, tak je zapojeni v poradku. _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Tue Apr 27 11:53:29 2004 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Tue Apr 27 11:53:28 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyzva vsem!!! Ronja meeting References: <408D7324.22153.1881B1@localhost> Message-ID: <000d01c42c45$dfe997d0$5145150a@wandering.repy.czf> Zdar a silu, nemas ve svem doupeti osciloskop ? mam posbirany 4xTPi ala Simandl (v0.2 a v0.3) a nemam to kde rozchodit protoze nemam osciloskop. Dalo by se to dohodnout s tebou ? Mam k tomu jeste: 2Tx ala Simandl funkcni 2Tx ala neco (Simandl nebo Norsko) jeden snad funkcni 2Rx vrabcak funkcni 2Rx ala Simandl nefunkcni. (mozna staci doladit, ale moc tomu neverim) 2Rx SMD ala Skontorp rozestavene na stole Bydlim Praha6-Repy, takze kousek a cas bych si udelal teoreticky kdykoliv. p0l0us ICQ: 94887762 polousx@katka.biz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vyzva vsem!!! Ronja meeting No, nefunkcni exemplare se rozchazeji po predchozi domluve v mem strahovskem doupeti :) Pokud by slo o seminar, tak mam dva navrhy: 1) Hospoda u Pinkasu v Praze u Vaclavskeho namesti. Schazi se tam fyzici a jina havet, tak proc ne bastliri. Krom toho cena piva je prijatelna. Ale maximum je 10 debateru, vic se jich ke stolu nevejde. 2) FEL CVUT v Dejvicich, nekdy v odpolednich hodinach (super by bylo pristi pondeli od 15:00 do 17:45, to mam cas). Muzu "zabrat" mistnost s tabuli a vejde se tam 10-20 lidi jako nic. Jenom je treba predem pripravit osnovu, co se bude delat. From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 27 12:40:31 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Apr 27 12:40:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]takuz mineco jede In-Reply-To: <039301c42c45$c3d26e50$0414a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <408E62CF.26783.228F9C@localhost> On 27 Apr 2004 at 12:52, Ji ? Krul wrote: > Bohuzel, technickeho typu , zadna obet humanizmu :-))) Aha, diplom z katedry ekonomie CVUT ;) > 2. > >Podstata veci je, ze oproti diskretnim tranzistorum, jsou hradla na jednom > cipu stejna. > Ja tupy humanista se domnival, ze v tomto pripade jsou hradla na trech > cipech. > Dokonce to neni pravda ani u hradel na stejnem cipu nicmene mate pravdu, ze > si jsou natolik podobna, ze z ciste praktickeho hlediska > je lze povazovat za stejna a rozdily se zacnou projevovat az v extremnich > pripadech kdy nejsou nejakym zpusobem dodrzeny pracovni podminky IC. > No vtip je u tri hradel v tom, ze pokud se chip zahreje, tak se zvetsi parazitni odpory a proudy se "prerovnaji", ze to nejak vyjde. Na jednom cipu neni odchylka v teplote, ci el. parametrech nijak vyznamna. To jsem opemnel zminit. Krom toho paralelni spojeni hradel pro ucely buzeni LED je doporuceno renomovanymi vyrobci optoprvku, viz. treba aplikacni nota AN1121 Agilent Technologies. > 3. Pripuste, ze nenajdete mnoho hromadne vyrabenych zarizeni u kterych se > vykonovy prvek budi primo 15ks hradel. Pokud nestaci vykon hradel, ktere mam > volne v > pouzitem IC nepridam dalsi 2 IC s hradlama, ale vykonovy prvek, kterym > posilim budici hradlo. Vyjde to levneji, bude to mensi, mene poruchove a > snadneji opravitelne. > a) integrovane vykonove budice potrebnych parametru jsou silne nesehnatelnym zbozim. Samozrejme je mozne je pouzit (DESSTO a Crusader jsou toho prikladem), ale otazka je za jakou cenu? Uz vidim jak Medabeda z Horni-Dolni kupuje v GMe MAX3667 nebo radost u Maxima az budou do Ceska posilat stovky samplu. b) diskretni soucastky. Omyl je myslet si ze to bude jednoduche. Jedine realne pouzitelne reseni v Ronje je budic s dif. parem tranzistoru, z duvodu ZACHOVANI REPRODUKOVATELNOSTI. Nicmene obsahuje 3* tolik soucastek a neprinasi absolutne zadnou vyhodu. Pokud chcete pouzit tzv. digitalni tranzistor, tak viz. bod (a) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]takuz > mineco jede > > > On 22 Apr 2004 at 22:57, Ji ? Krul wrote: > > > Mam dve vysoke a tak mi mozna doslo co tim chtel basnik rici :-))). > > Ale humanitniho typu, takze asi jenom iluze osviceni. > > > Basnik se na slucovani hradel diva stejne jako na slucovani tranzistoru, > > pokud potrebuji z vykonovych duvodu > > misto jednoho tranzistoru pouzit vice tranzistoru musim z duvodu > nestejnych > > vlastnosti pred kazdy vclenit maly odpor. > > Obecne paralelni razeni tranzistoru muze byt problem ==> stejne to bude u > > hradel. > > > > Faktem je, ze to neni az tak uplne pravda, ale musim uznat, ze prvni co me > > na vysilaci zarazilo bylo buzeni LED tak velkym poctem hradel pokud se > > nepletu 15 hradel > > (nemam po ruce schema). > > Basnik chce zrejme rici, ze logictejsim resenim by bylo pouziti jednoho > > hradla a jeho vykonove posileni, treba tranzistorem. > > > Spojovat se hradla muzou, pokud maji stejnou funkci a spojene i vstupy. > Podstata veci je, ze oproti diskretnim tranzistorum, jsou hradla na jednom > cipu stejna. > Presto i pri "normalni" funkci na zlomek sekundy nastava, ze vedou oba > tranzistory na > vystupu najednou a je s tim pocitano. Pak jeste do hry vstupuji nejruznejsi > odpory a > jejich teplotni zavislosti. Hlavne je treba si uvedomit, ze je to CMOS > technologie a ze > tento jev nastane nejvyse po dobu 10ns! (dramaticky odhad) a pak je klid > rekneme > nejmene dalsich 40ns, kdy vedou jen horni nebo dolni spinace. > Obecne pak lze rici, ze pokud se brouk pri provozu neprehriva, tak je > zapojeni v > poradku. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 27 14:08:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 14:08:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]takuz mineco jede In-Reply-To: <408E62CF.26783.228F9C@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 01:40:31PM +0200 References: <039301c42c45$c3d26e50$0414a8c0@pc> <408E62CF.26783.228F9C@localhost> Message-ID: <20040427130801.A666@beton.cybernet.src> > No vtip je u tri hradel v tom, ze pokud se chip zahreje, tak se zvetsi parazitni odpory a > proudy se "prerovnaji", ze to nejak vyjde. Na jednom cipu neni odchylka v teplote, ci el. > parametrech nijak vyznamna. To jsem opemnel zminit. > Krom toho paralelni spojeni hradel pro ucely buzeni LED je doporuceno renomovanymi > vyrobci optoprvku, viz. treba aplikacni nota AN1121 Agilent Technologies. Kde se sezene? Nasel jsem jediny odkaz a to je deadlink. > > > > 3. Pripuste, ze nenajdete mnoho hromadne vyrabenych zarizeni u kterych se > > vykonovy prvek budi primo 15ks hradel. Pokud nestaci vykon hradel, ktere mam > > volne v > > pouzitem IC nepridam dalsi 2 IC s hradlama, ale vykonovy prvek, kterym > > posilim budici hradlo. Vyjde to levneji, bude to mensi, mene poruchove a > > snadneji opravitelne. > > > a) integrovane vykonove budice potrebnych parametru jsou silne nesehnatelnym > zbozim. Samozrejme je mozne je pouzit (DESSTO a Crusader jsou toho prikladem), > ale otazka je za jakou cenu? Uz vidim jak Medabeda z Horni-Dolni kupuje v GMe > MAX3667 nebo radost u Maxima az budou do Ceska posilat stovky samplu. Slysel jsem ze nektere firmy uz posilani samplu do Ceska zrusily. > b) diskretni soucastky. Omyl je myslet si ze to bude jednoduche. Jedine realne > pouzitelne reseni v Ronje je budic s dif. parem tranzistoru, z duvodu ZACHOVANI > REPRODUKOVATELNOSTI. Nicmene obsahuje 3* tolik soucastek a neprinasi > absolutne zadnou vyhodu. Pokud chcete pouzit tzv. digitalni tranzistor, tak > viz. bod (a) Co to je digitalni tranzistor? Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Tue Apr 27 11:21:15 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 14:28:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cheche a uz nam to jede :) Message-ID: <000501c42c41$5f7a3f40$0103450a@thechosen> tak jsme predvcirem dai na strechu ronjitko :) po asi 3hodinovem ladeni smeru (mame to v infra) a zjisteni ze to je citlive snad na desetiny milimetru se nam to povedlo zamerit na asi 300m :)) tak ze mame na jene strane 1800mV a na druhe asi 500mV (predpokladam ze by to slo jeste poladit). jenze nastal probleeem pri rozjizdeni, pouzili jsme dva kompy se sitovkama rtl8139D a v kombinaci s TP od shimandla ani tuk coz me dost prekvapilo, proslo tak 30packetu z 1000. vcera jsme narychlo dali sitoviny 3c509 a 3c900 a svete div se rozjelo se to jak drak, z 1 000 000 fload pingu se neztratilo nic :) clock: az ted verim ze to fakt funguje i na stese :)))) Glottis From honza at hoidekr.net Tue Apr 27 14:33:16 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Hoidekr) Date: Tue Apr 27 14:33:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cheche a uz nam to jede :) In-Reply-To: <000501c42c41$5f7a3f40$0103450a@thechosen> References: <000501c42c41$5f7a3f40$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <408E611C.5010007@hoidekr.net> Gratuluju. Se sitovkama mam podobnou zkusenost s Highlandrovym TP. Muzes presneji popsat zamerovani s infra? Diky Honza Michal Mal??ek wrote: >tak jsme predvcirem dai na strechu ronjitko :) po asi 3hodinovem ladeni >smeru (mame to v infra) a zjisteni ze to je citlive snad na desetiny >milimetru se nam to povedlo zamerit na asi 300m :)) tak ze mame na jene >strane 1800mV a na druhe asi 500mV (predpokladam ze by to slo jeste >poladit). jenze nastal probleeem pri rozjizdeni, pouzili jsme dva kompy se >sitovkama rtl8139D a v kombinaci s TP od shimandla ani tuk coz me dost >prekvapilo, proslo tak 30packetu z 1000. vcera jsme narychlo dali sitoviny >3c509 a 3c900 a svete div se rozjelo se to jak drak, z 1 000 000 fload pingu >se neztratilo nic :) > >clock: az ted verim ze to fakt funguje i na stese :)))) > >Glottis > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Apr 27 14:39:26 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Apr 27 14:39:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?=5B=09Ronja=5Dtakuz=09mineco?= jede In-Reply-To: <20040427130801.A666@beton.cybernet.src> References: <039301c42c45$c3d26e50$0414a8c0@pc> <408E62CF.26783.228F9C@localhost> <20040427130801.A666@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404271539.26992.ladmanj@volny.cz> > > Co to je digitalni tranzistor? Tim asi byl myslen MOSFET kteremu k saturaci staci 5V na gatu. Pokud vim tak neobsahuji zadnou logiku, jen jsou upraveny pro toto nizke napeti. Obycejny MOSFET potrebuje k plnemu otevreni gate nabit az na 10-20V Info napriklad na www.irf.com Jakub From punjab at punjabcz.net Tue Apr 27 14:40:05 2004 From: punjab at punjabcz.net (punjab) Date: Tue Apr 27 14:39:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cheche a uz nam to jede :) In-Reply-To: <408E611C.5010007@hoidekr.net> References: <000501c42c41$5f7a3f40$0103450a@thechosen> <408E611C.5010007@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <408E62B5.3060606@punjabcz.net> O jakou zkusenost se jedna? Nefunguje s nejakym druhem sitovych karet, nebo v cem je problem? Hoidekr wrote: > Gratuluju. > Se sitovkama mam podobnou zkusenost s Highlandrovym TP. > Muzes presneji popsat zamerovani s infra? > Diky > Honza From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 27 14:59:18 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 14:59:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cheche a uz nam to jede :) In-Reply-To: <000501c42c41$5f7a3f40$0103450a@thechosen>; from m.malusek@seznam.cz on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 12:21:15PM +0200 References: <000501c42c41$5f7a3f40$0103450a@thechosen> Message-ID: <20040427135918.B764@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 12:21:15PM +0200, Michal Mal??ek wrote: > tak jsme predvcirem dai na strechu ronjitko :) po asi 3hodinovem ladeni > smeru (mame to v infra) a zjisteni ze to je citlive snad na desetiny > milimetru se nam to povedlo zamerit na asi 300m :)) tak ze mame na jene > strane 1800mV a na druhe asi 500mV (predpokladam ze by to slo jeste > poladit). jenze nastal probleeem pri rozjizdeni, pouzili jsme dva kompy se > sitovkama rtl8139D a v kombinaci s TP od shimandla ani tuk coz me dost > prekvapilo, proslo tak 30packetu z 1000. vcera jsme narychlo dali sitoviny > 3c509 a 3c900 a svete div se rozjelo se to jak drak, z 1 000 000 fload pingu > se neztratilo nic :) > > clock: az ted verim ze to fakt funguje i na stese :)))) Super, mate nejaky fotka a technicky data k instalacim abych to pridal do seznamu bezicich spoju? :) CL< > > Glottis > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 27 16:16:05 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 16:16:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Medanek: kontakt Message-ID: <20040427151605.B3502@beton.cybernet.src> Cau lidi Nechcete udelat nejakou sekci na Ronja wiki kam bych ty lidi mohl odkazovat? 15:13 <@blue4> clock: mas kontakt na toho medanka? Furt se me nekdo pta na nejaky tistaky ;-) Mohlo by se to jmenovat treba GettingRonjaHardware ;-) CL< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 27 16:17:43 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 16:17:45 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: chybicka v html dokumentaci In-Reply-To: <408E7781.60208@kiv.zcu.cz>; from masek50@kiv.zcu.cz on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 05:08:49PM +0200 References: <408E7781.60208@kiv.zcu.cz> Message-ID: <20040427151743.D3502@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 05:08:49PM +0200, Josef Masek wrote: > nazdar, > > stranka > http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/modules.php > odkaz > chosen diameter > ukazuje na > http://ronja.twibright.com/tetrapolis/details.php#dia > kterej neexistuje Diky za bugreport, fixed. CL< > > S pozdravem > Pepa From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 27 18:11:35 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 18:11:39 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: chybicka v html dokumentaci In-Reply-To: <408E840E.2010702@kiv.zcu.cz>; from masek50@kiv.zcu.cz on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 06:02:22PM +0200 References: <408E7781.60208@kiv.zcu.cz> <20040427151743.D3502@beton.cybernet.src> <408E826A.7020102@kiv.zcu.cz> <20040427155634.A3555@beton.cybernet.src> <408E840E.2010702@kiv.zcu.cz> Message-ID: <20040427171135.B3616@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 06:02:22PM +0200, Josef Masek wrote: > nazdar, > mozna se mylim, ale v cerveny verzi se dela jen varianta F4000 (krome > toho ryston ted ma jen E4000) ktera ma 3,0-7,3 LM a verze H4000 (ktera > je ale jen v cervenooranzovy) ma 4,0-12,0 lumenu, coz je skoro 2x vic > nez 2,5-6,1 u E4000 nebo zhruba o 1/2 vic nez F4000 > mozna se pletu ale pod lumenama si predstavuju zhruba vykon ve svetle? Hm tak v tom to bude :) Ja jsem to pocital a vyslo to zhruba nastejno Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Apr 27 18:18:16 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Apr 27 18:20:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Medanek: kontakt In-Reply-To: <20040427151605.B3502@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040427151605.B3502@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1011999734.20040427191816@volny.cz> No ja s tou Wiki zatim moc neumim delat. Kdyz tak tam pridej, ze nabizim ty LEDky HPWT-BD00-E4000 po 25Kc / ks OndraT KK> Cau lidi KK> Nechcete udelat nejakou sekci na Ronja wiki kam bych ty lidi mohl odkazovat? KK> 15:13 <@blue4> clock: mas kontakt na toho medanka? KK> Furt se me nekdo pta na nejaky tistaky ;-) KK> Mohlo by se to jmenovat treba GettingRonjaHardware ;-) KK> CL< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Apr 27 18:36:34 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Apr 27 18:38:07 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Re: [Ronja] Cipisova RONJA WAS:Re: [ Ronja]takuz mineco jede In-Reply-To: <200404271539.26992.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20040427130801.A666@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <408EB642.22738.288537@localhost> Jsem trochu prestrelil, se omlouvam. Digital tranzistor = tranzistor + odpory v jednom pouzdre. Viz. treba http://www.rohm.co.jp/en/transistor/what1.html Pod stejnym nazvem se ale dela (nebo spis prodava) i tranzistor s jednoduchou logikou. Je rychly - hlida si saturaci a ma tepelnou pojistku a kupodivu sehnatelny v GMe. > > > > Co to je digitalni tranzistor? > > Tim asi byl myslen MOSFET kteremu k saturaci staci 5V na gatu. Pokud vim tak > neobsahuji zadnou logiku, jen jsou upraveny pro toto nizke napeti. > Obycejny MOSFET potrebuje k plnemu otevreni gate nabit az na 10-20V > Info napriklad na www.irf.com > Jakub > From jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz Tue Apr 27 18:04:37 2004 From: jjaakkuubb at centrum.cz (Jakub =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michn=EDk ?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 18:39:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cheche a uz nam to jede :) Message-ID: <20040427170502Z1609634-24825+28822@mail.centrum.cz> to "ronjitko" je co? myslim jaka je verze Tx Rx, smd, aui ronja, tvistr, nebo neco jineho? .....proste z ceho je slozeno ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Michal Mal??ek > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > CC: > Datum: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:21:15 +0200 > P?edm?t: [Ronja] cheche a uz nam to jede :) > > tak jsme predvcirem dai na strechu ronjitko :) po asi 3hodinovem ladeni > smeru (mame to v infra) a zjisteni ze to je citlive snad na desetiny > milimetru se nam to povedlo zamerit na asi 300m :)) tak ze mame na jene > strane 1800mV a na druhe asi 500mV (predpokladam ze by to slo jeste > poladit). jenze nastal probleeem pri rozjizdeni, pouzili jsme dva kompy se > sitovkama rtl8139D a v kombinaci s TP od shimandla ani tuk coz me dost > prekvapilo, proslo tak 30packetu z 1000. vcera jsme narychlo dali sitoviny > 3c509 a 3c900 a svete div se rozjelo se to jak drak, z 1 000 000 fload pingu > se neztratilo nic :) > > clock: az ted verim ze to fakt funguje i na stese :)))) > > Glottis > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From honza at hoidekr.net Tue Apr 27 20:12:36 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Tue Apr 27 20:11:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cheche a uz nam to jede :) In-Reply-To: <408E62B5.3060606@punjabcz.net> References: <000501c42c41$5f7a3f40$0103450a@thechosen> <408E611C.5010007@hoidekr.net> <408E62B5.3060606@punjabcz.net> Message-ID: <408EB0A4.8070809@hoidekr.net> Konkretne jsem se snazil uchodit highlandrovy TP interfacy. Kdyz jsem mel problemy s Realtekama, tak me spis napadlo, ze to mam mizerne udelany ... (to mam asi stejne ;-)) uchozene interfacy jsem spojil draty ne pres optiku 1. 3com - TP - draty - TP - 3com prvni zapojeni a fungovalo necekane dobre. Na prvni pohled uplne bezchybne. pri mereni se ukazal packetloss asi 2% bylo to prvni zapojeni a zacel jsem experimentovat, menil jsem nejaky kondenzatory, preletoval mozny studenaky apod. porad 2% a objevil se studenak - kdyz kroutim deskou (ne moc) prestane vysilat nemel jsem cas to hledat a odlozil jse to asi na 14 dni 2. zapojeni 3com -TP - draty - TP - realtek prosel sem tam jeden ping, ani nemelo cenu neco merit - odhadem 1 ze 100 svedl jsem to na studenak a opet jsem to odlozil 3. pak se objevila ve foru na CZF nebo tady debata o max. delce TP kabelu pokud pouzijete 3com komponenty zkusil jsem znovu 3com - TP - draty - TP - 3com jelo to krasne s 0% ! (mozna pomohlo proletovani spoju) pri krouceni(staci i polozit na nerovny povrch) desky mi porad vypadava tx cast ;-( 3com si tedy pravdepodobne necha libit i dost spatny signal. jeste je zajimavy, ze kdyz jsem to propojil optikou mezi 3com, tak maximalni dosah byl 1m celkem slaby dyz jsem menil odpory v TX a RX podle clockova navodu, tak se to jeste zhorsilo ;-( Snad to nekomu pomuze Honza PS: poradte mi jak najit ten studenak? ;-) jak zvysit dosah s optikou? punjab wrote: > O jakou zkusenost se jedna? Nefunguje s nejakym druhem sitovych karet, > nebo v cem je problem? > > Hoidekr wrote: > >> Gratuluju. >> Se sitovkama mam podobnou zkusenost s Highlandrovym TP. >> Muzes presneji popsat zamerovani s infra? >> Diky >> Honza > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 27 20:16:02 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 20:16:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 74HC133 In-Reply-To: <46472.213.77.122.1.1083093530.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl>; from andy@intercomp.info on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:18:50PM +0200 References: <46472.213.77.122.1.1083093530.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040427191602.A3826@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:18:50PM +0200, Andrzej K. wrote: > Hello. > > I have problems with getting 74HC133 and 74HCT133. > In POLISH electronic shop they say that they will be not selling 74HC133 > and 74HCT133 any more! Is there any equivalents of this chipset ??? If this is problem for more people then it's reasonable that someone splits off a parallel version of Twister schematic with other AND implementation and redesiging the appropriate corner of PCB for it. These are eight-input AND or NAND gates. You can use these gates with less inputs. Just look it up in the catalogue and wire it to implement the same logical function. > Another question. > What will be hapend if I will use 10 Base T Filter (20F001N) in Twister ??? > It will be enlarge of UTP cable distance to 100m ???? It will improve but not as much as it could be improved. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 27 20:19:46 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 20:19:53 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cheche a uz nam to jede :) In-Reply-To: <408EB0A4.8070809@hoidekr.net>; from honza@hoidekr.net on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:12:36PM +0200 References: <000501c42c41$5f7a3f40$0103450a@thechosen> <408E611C.5010007@hoidekr.net> <408E62B5.3060606@punjabcz.net> <408EB0A4.8070809@hoidekr.net> Message-ID: <20040427191946.B3826@beton.cybernet.src> > tx cast ;-( > > 3com si tedy pravdepodobne necha libit i dost spatny signal. > > jeste je zajimavy, ze kdyz jsem to propojil optikou mezi 3com, tak > maximalni dosah byl 1m > celkem slaby > dyz jsem menil odpory v TX a RX podle clockova navodu, tak se to jeste > zhorsilo ;-( > > Snad to nekomu pomuze > Honza > > PS: poradte mi > jak najit ten studenak? ;-) Vzit kalafunu a CISTOU! pajku a vsechny spoje pretavit. > jak zvysit dosah s optikou? Vymenit to za Twister. Cl< From honza at hoidekr.net Tue Apr 27 20:23:49 2004 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Jan Hoidekr) Date: Tue Apr 27 20:23:13 2004 Subject: [Ronja] cheche a uz nam to jede :) In-Reply-To: <20040427191946.B3826@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000501c42c41$5f7a3f40$0103450a@thechosen> <408E611C.5010007@hoidekr.net> <408E62B5.3060606@punjabcz.net> <408EB0A4.8070809@hoidekr.net> <20040427191946.B3826@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <408EB345.90702@hoidekr.net> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >>jak zvysit dosah s optikou? >> >> > >Vymenit to za Twister. > > uz mam objednany DPS ;-) >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > From klapek at kki.net.pl Tue Apr 27 20:58:23 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Tue Apr 27 20:58:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 74HC133 In-Reply-To: <20040427191602.A3826@beton.cybernet.src> References: <46472.213.77.122.1.1083093530.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040427191602.A3826@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404272158.24025.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Tuesday 27 of April 2004 21:16, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > I have problems with getting 74HC133 and 74HCT133. > > In POLISH electronic shop they say that they will be not selling 74HC133 > > and 74HCT133 any more! Is there any equivalents of this chipset ??? > > If this is problem for more people then it's reasonable that someone splits > off a parallel version of Twister schematic with other AND implementation > and redesiging the appropriate corner of PCB for it. U67 uses only 6 inputs so it can be easily replaced by 74HC30 (this one seems to be available in Poland, at least in Nikomp s.c, Katowice) just the pinout will be different. 74HC30 datasheet: http://alfa.iele.polsl.gliwice.pl/elenota/STMicroelectronics/docs/1943.pdf With U66 the case will be more difficult - it will require using two of those chips. Good luck in redesigning the pcb - it's so tightly packed that I don't dare touching it. Kudos to Clock. > These are eight-input AND or NAND gates. You can Erm.. as I can see the 74HC133 are 13-input NAND gates, so probably either you or me need to get some sleep ;) > use these gates with less inputs. Just look it up in the catalogue and wire > it to implement the same logical function. > > > Another question. > > What will be hapend if I will use 10 Base T Filter (20F001N) in Twister > > ??? It will be enlarge of UTP cable distance to 100m ???? > > It will improve but not as much as it could be improved. I haven't analysed the TP driver part yet: what's the problem there: signal strength or improper impedance? Regards, Tomek Koprowski From kneza at poupe.net Tue Apr 27 21:27:18 2004 From: kneza at poupe.net (Michal Knezourek) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:26:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Medanek: kontakt In-Reply-To: <20040427151605.B3502@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040427151605.B3502@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <408EC226.3020403@poupe.net> lol ;-) jak ty lidi vedi, ze jsem na ircku medanek? hazejte jim na mne kdyztak mail ;) dneska nemam uz na nic silu...natoz na wiki ;-) Kneza Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Cau lidi > > Nechcete udelat nejakou sekci na Ronja wiki kam bych ty lidi mohl odkazovat? > 15:13 <@blue4> clock: mas kontakt na toho medanka? > > Furt se me nekdo pta na nejaky tistaky ;-) > > Mohlo by se to jmenovat treba GettingRonjaHardware ;-) > > CL< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 27 21:35:27 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:35:35 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Medanek: kontakt In-Reply-To: <408EC226.3020403@poupe.net>; from kneza@poupe.net on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:27:18PM +0200 References: <20040427151605.B3502@beton.cybernet.src> <408EC226.3020403@poupe.net> Message-ID: <20040427203527.C15111@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:27:18PM +0200, Michal Knezourek wrote: > lol ;-) jak ty lidi vedi, ze jsem na ircku medanek? Nekdo se ptal jestli nekdo neprodava tistaky tak sem rek medanek > hazejte jim na mne kdyztak mail ;) > dneska nemam uz na nic silu...natoz na wiki ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 27 21:37:59 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:38:08 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: bugreport In-Reply-To: <408EBEE4.4080801@gw.amu.cz>; from ondrejch@gw.amu.cz on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:13:24PM +0200 References: <408EBEE4.4080801@gw.amu.cz> Message-ID: <20040427203759.D15111@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:13:24PM +0200, 0ndrej Chvala wrote: > http://ronja.twibright.com/vocabulary.php > > > TeleDataOptics. Transmitting data over a distance by light beam > without physical carrier medium (in plain air or in space) > > to neni presny > - fotony jsou "physical carrier medium". Asi tam napisu neco o fermionech a bosonech - nevite ktery jsou ktery? ;-) > - nejde jen o vysilani ale i prijem No to ne vzdy kdyz padne mlha jde jen o vysilani :] > - ten termin je obecnejsi nez jenom vysilani dat, jde spis o > technologicke odvetvi > > fix: > TeleDataOptics. Technology of digital communication by light beams over > an open space. > > ps: chapu ze zkratku FSO alias Free Space Optics nemas rad, ale je to > vystiznejsi ;-) No FSO je treba hubbluv teleskop nebo lidske oko nebo triedr do ruky ;-) Optika to je a na volny prostor to delany je taky ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 27 21:43:20 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:43:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 74HC133 In-Reply-To: <200404272158.24025.klapek@kki.net.pl>; from klapek@kki.net.pl on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:58:23PM +0200 References: <46472.213.77.122.1.1083093530.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040427191602.A3826@beton.cybernet.src> <200404272158.24025.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040427204320.E15111@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:58:23PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Tuesday 27 of April 2004 21:16, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > > > I have problems with getting 74HC133 and 74HCT133. > > > In POLISH electronic shop they say that they will be not selling 74HC133 > > > and 74HCT133 any more! Is there any equivalents of this chipset ??? > > > > If this is problem for more people then it's reasonable that someone splits > > off a parallel version of Twister schematic with other AND implementation > > and redesiging the appropriate corner of PCB for it. > > U67 uses only 6 inputs so it can be easily replaced by 74HC30 (this one seems > to be available in Poland, at least in Nikomp s.c, Katowice) just the pinout > will be different. 74HC30 datasheet: > http://alfa.iele.polsl.gliwice.pl/elenota/STMicroelectronics/docs/1943.pdf > > With U66 the case will be more difficult - it will require using two of > those chips. Good luck in redesigning the pcb - it's so tightly packed > that I don't dare touching it. Kudos to Clock. Thanks. This is for the users to pay the least price in manufacture because the price is for the area :) Those are at the bottom edge so you can just add space at the bottom and place it there horizonally. > > > > These are eight-input AND or NAND gates. You can > > Erm.. as I can see the 74HC133 are 13-input NAND gates, so probably > either you or me need to get some sleep ;) Me ;-) > > > use these gates with less inputs. Just look it up in the catalogue and wire > > it to implement the same logical function. > > > > > Another question. > > > What will be hapend if I will use 10 Base T Filter (20F001N) in Twister > > > ??? It will be enlarge of UTP cable distance to 100m ???? > > > > It will improve but not as much as it could be improved. > > I haven't analysed the TP driver part yet: what's the problem there: > signal strength or improper impedance? Both the signal strength and impedance is OK in twister. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Apr 27 21:50:35 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Apr 27 21:51:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyrobci FSO References: <46472.213.77.122.1.1083093530.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040427191602.A3826@beton.cybernet.src> <200404272158.24025.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20040427204320.E15111@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000601c42c99$49c85260$0101a8c0@cz> Tak jsem se koukal na: http://www.sonabeam.com/company.php?sec=bio_list#ss Normalni lidi to asi nebudou ;) -=RYS=- From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 27 22:26:01 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Apr 27 22:26:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: bugreport In-Reply-To: <408ECA4D.6030307@gw.amu.cz>; from ondrejch@gw.amu.cz on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 11:02:05PM +0200 References: <408EBEE4.4080801@gw.amu.cz> <20040427203759.D15111@beton.cybernet.src> <408ECA4D.6030307@gw.amu.cz> Message-ID: <20040427212601.H15111@beton.cybernet.src> > >>- fotony jsou "physical carrier medium". Pisu si do todo listu napsat tam made of fermions ;-) > >> > >> > > > >Asi tam napisu neco o fermionech a bosonech - nevite ktery jsou ktery? ;-) > > > > > Fermiony jsou castice hmoty (polovicni spin => pauliho vylucovaci pricpi > => rozprostrenost) > Bosony Z(celociselny spin) jsou (hlavne*) castice prenasejici interakce, > elmag interakci (svetlo) prenasi foton. > (*)pak jsou jeste mezony, coz jsou pary kvark-antikvark, castice A to se v tom mezonu to jako nejak nezanihiluje hned? Cl< From m.malusek at seznam.cz Wed Apr 28 06:39:34 2004 From: m.malusek at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Michal_Mal=F9=B9ek?=) Date: Wed Apr 28 06:39:46 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyrobci FSO References: <46472.213.77.122.1.1083093530.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl><20040427191602.A3826@beton.cybernet.src><200404272158.24025.klapek@kki.net.pl><20040427204320.E15111@beton.cybernet.src> <000601c42c99$49c85260$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <000b01c42ce3$30559550$0103450a@thechosen> checht t asi fakt ne, kdyz jsem zbezne kuknul na jedno dve pojtka tak vykon laseru 600mW (asi to uz i sestreluje ptacky), prumer cocky 20cm, vytapeni sezere az 200W, elektronika z 50W, 1,5Gb/s, vaha 20KG, service life 15 let, proste mazec to me privadi na myslenku jaka je nejstarsi ronja a pripadne byli u ni nejake opravy? > Tak jsem se koukal na: http://www.sonabeam.com/company.php?sec=bio_list#ss > > Normalni lidi to asi nebudou ;) > > -=RYS=- > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Apr 28 07:58:34 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Apr 28 07:58:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 74HC133 In-Reply-To: <20040427204320.E15111@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200404272158.24025.klapek@kki.net.pl>; from klapek@kki.net.pl on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:58:23PM +0200 Message-ID: <408F723A.27223.12B624@localhost> Nestacilo by citac 74HC4040 krmit z nejakeho vystupu U59 (74HC93) nizsi frekvenci nez 16MHz? Pak by mozna stacil jeden?! On 27 Apr 2004 at 20:43, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:58:23PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 of April 2004 21:16, Karel Kulhav wrote: > > > > > > I have problems with getting 74HC133 and 74HCT133. > > > > In POLISH electronic shop they say that they will be not selling 74HC133 > > > > and 74HCT133 any more! Is there any equivalents of this chipset ??? > > > > > > If this is problem for more people then it's reasonable that someone splits > > > off a parallel version of Twister schematic with other AND implementation > > > and redesiging the appropriate corner of PCB for it. > > > > U67 uses only 6 inputs so it can be easily replaced by 74HC30 (this one seems > > to be available in Poland, at least in Nikomp s.c, Katowice) just the pinout > > will be different. 74HC30 datasheet: > > http://alfa.iele.polsl.gliwice.pl/elenota/STMicroelectronics/docs/1943.pdf > > > > With U66 the case will be more difficult - it will require using two of > > those chips. Good luck in redesigning the pcb - it's so tightly packed > > that I don't dare touching it. Kudos to Clock. > > Thanks. > > This is for the users to pay the least price in manufacture because the price > is for the area :) > > Those are at the bottom edge so you can just add space at the bottom and place > it there horizonally. > > > > > > > > These are eight-input AND or NAND gates. You can > > > > Erm.. as I can see the 74HC133 are 13-input NAND gates, so probably > > either you or me need to get some sleep ;) > > Me ;-) > > > > > > use these gates with less inputs. Just look it up in the catalogue and wire > > > it to implement the same logical function. > > > > > > > Another question. > > > > What will be hapend if I will use 10 Base T Filter (20F001N) in Twister > > > > ??? It will be enlarge of UTP cable distance to 100m ???? > > > > > > It will improve but not as much as it could be improved. > > > > I haven't analysed the TP driver part yet: what's the problem there: > > signal strength or improper impedance? > > Both the signal strength and impedance is OK in twister. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ilicz at seznam.cz Wed Apr 28 08:33:22 2004 From: ilicz at seznam.cz (ILICZ von Cwok) Date: Wed Apr 28 08:36:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] OT: Shanim soucastky - Atmel Message-ID: <200404280933.22977.ilicz@seznam.cz> Zdravim Vas... Mam maly problem... Potreboval bych sehnat "par" mikroprocesoru firma Atmel a nikde je nemaji... Konkretne jde o tyto procesory: * 89C51ID2 * 89S8252 * 89LS8252 Vsechny tri typy v pouzdre PLCC44 Pravda, nejsou z nejlevnejsich, ale na tom nevisi osud sveta. Predbezny odber asi tri kusy, dal pak moznost cele stovky... ;o) Podadi nekdo? From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 28 09:05:08 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 28 09:05:11 2004 Subject: [Ronja] OT: Shanim soucastky - Atmel In-Reply-To: <200404280933.22977.ilicz@seznam.cz>; from ilicz@seznam.cz on Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:33:22AM +0200 References: <200404280933.22977.ilicz@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20040428080508.A15750@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:33:22AM +0200, ILICZ von Cwok wrote: > Zdravim Vas... > Mam maly problem... Potreboval bych sehnat "par" mikroprocesoru firma Atmel a > nikde je nemaji... > > Konkretne jde o tyto procesory: > * 89C51ID2 > * 89S8252 > * 89LS8252 > Vsechny tri typy v pouzdre PLCC44 > Pravda, nejsou z nejlevnejsich, ale na tom nevisi osud sveta. > Predbezny odber asi tri kusy, dal pak moznost cele stovky... ;o) na tohle je konfera hwnews a ne ronja Cl< From hollari1 at gmx.at Wed Apr 28 11:16:45 2004 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Wed Apr 28 11:16:48 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP Cable length References: Message-ID: <20038.1083147405@www7.gmx.net> > > Another question. > > What will be hapend if I will use 10 Base T Filter (20F001N) in Twister > ??? > > It will be enlarge of UTP cable distance to 100m ???? > > It will improve but not as much as it could be improved. > > Cl< What?s the maximum TP-Cable length now in Twister ? Can i use Twister with a 10MBit-Hub ? (Manageable Switch are very expensive as i know) Regards, Sigi -- "Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim Surfen! Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info From bobriks at volny.cz Wed Apr 28 12:59:58 2004 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Wed Apr 28 13:00:01 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Vyrobci FSO In-Reply-To: <000601c42c99$49c85260$0101a8c0@cz> References: <46472.213.77.122.1.1083093530.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <20040427191602.A3826@beton.cybernet.src> <200404272158.24025.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20040427204320.E15111@beton.cybernet.src> <000601c42c99$49c85260$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <4d0f6014d3de2d18666b3208e4d1271e@www3.mail.volny.cz> Ty lidi odvedli poradnej kus poctivy prace. Nikoho nesidi a ukazuji mezni moznosti FSO technologie v danem case. Standa ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "-=RYS=-" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: [Ronja] Vyrobci FSO Datum: 27.4.2004 - 22:53:05 > Tak jsem se koukal na: > http://www.sonabeam.com/company.php?sec=bio_list#ss > > Normalni lidi to asi nebudou ;) > > -=RYS=- > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Vyu?ijte speci?ln? nab?dky VOLN? ADSL na zkou?ku. Za m?s??n? pau??l a vratnou z?lohu m?te 30 dn? mo?nost otestovat p?ipojen? k internetu rychlost? 512/128 kbit/s. V?ce na http://sluzby.volny.cz/product/adsl/adsl_trial/ From schum at seznam.cz Wed Apr 28 11:33:16 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Wed Apr 28 13:54:11 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20OT=3A=20Shanim=20soucastky=20=2D=20Atmel?= In-Reply-To: <200404280933.22977.ilicz@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <58947.2006101-9855-1647257384-1083148396@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "ILICZ von Cwok" Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] OT: Shanim soucastky - Atmel Datum (Date): 28. 4. 2004 9:33 ================================================== > Zdravim Vas... > Mam maly problem... Potreboval bych sehnat "par" mikroprocesoru firma Atmel a > nikde je nemaji... > > Konkretne jde o tyto procesory: > * 89C51ID2 > * 89S8252 > * 89LS8252 > Vsechny tri typy v pouzdre PLCC44 > Pravda, nejsou z nejlevnejsich, ale na tom nevisi osud sveta. > Predbezny odber asi tri kusy, dal pak moznost cele stovky... ;o) > > Podadi nekdo? 89S8252 jsem kupoval asi pred rokem v GM, jinak bych zkusil treba www.starmans.cz umej sehnat kdeco mirek ____________________________________________________________ Vyberte si a? 5 hodin m?s??n? vol?n? zdarma. S Oskarem si m??e vybrat ka?d?. A? to jsou hodiny vol?n?, v?kendov? SMS, nebo MMS zdarma. http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73744§ion=/ From klapek at kki.net.pl Wed Apr 28 14:18:21 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Wed Apr 28 14:18:24 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 74HC133 In-Reply-To: <408F723A.27223.12B624@localhost> References: <200404272158.24025.klapek@kki.net.pl> <408F723A.27223.12B624@localhost> Message-ID: <200404281518.21401.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Wednesday 28 of April 2004 08:58, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Nestacilo by citac 74HC4040 krmit z nejakeho vystupu U59 (74HC93) nizsi > frekvenci nez 16MHz? Pak by mozna stacil jeden?! I guess you would need an 74HC4020 (14 bit binary ripple counter) instead of 74HC4040 (12 bit binary ripple counter) in that situation because all the 74HC93 can do is divide by 2^4 and the circuit consisting of U60,U61,U66,U67 divides by 2^18. But I would bet my life on it, I definitely need some coffee... PS. Our languages are similar but far from being the same, so if I just misunderstood you then kindly ignore this email. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 28 13:13:50 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 28 20:07:37 2004 Subject: [Ronja] TP Cable length In-Reply-To: <20038.1083147405@www7.gmx.net>; from hollari1@gmx.at on Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 12:16:45PM +0200 References: <20038.1083147405@www7.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20040428121350.C15897@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 12:16:45PM +0200, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > > > > Another question. > > > What will be hapend if I will use 10 Base T Filter (20F001N) in Twister > > ??? > > > It will be enlarge of UTP cable distance to 100m ???? > > > > It will improve but not as much as it could be improved. > > > > Cl< > > What?s the maximum TP-Cable length now in Twister ? 1m > > Can i use Twister with a 10MBit-Hub ? > (Manageable Switch are very expensive as i know) Yes Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Apr 28 19:26:51 2004 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Apr 28 20:20:26 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 74HC133 In-Reply-To: <200404281518.21401.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <408F723A.27223.12B624@localhost> Message-ID: <4090138B.20775.14AEEE@localhost> My idea was to feed 74HC4040 counter with lower frequency than 16MHz. At output of U59 (74HC93) are certainly 1MHz a some other potentialy usable frequencies. I belive that second 74HC4040 can be saved off. P.S.: In my modification i have used PIC12C508 for the same purpose. On 28 Apr 2004 at 15:18, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Wednesday 28 of April 2004 08:58, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Nestacilo by citac 74HC4040 krmit z nejakeho vystupu U59 (74HC93) nizsi > > frekvenci nez 16MHz? Pak by mozna stacil jeden?! > > I guess you would need an 74HC4020 (14 bit binary ripple counter) instead > of 74HC4040 (12 bit binary ripple counter) in that situation because all the > 74HC93 can do is divide by 2^4 and the circuit consisting of U60,U61,U66,U67 > divides by 2^18. But I would bet my life on it, I definitely need some > coffee... > > PS. Our languages are similar but far from being the same, so if I just > misunderstood you then kindly ignore this email. > > Regards, > Tomek Koprowski > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From rojoc at hotmail.com Wed Apr 28 20:25:32 2004 From: rojoc at hotmail.com (Gonzalo Gil) Date: Wed Apr 28 20:25:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Timing circuits Message-ID: Hi Clock, I just saw the schematics of the new Ronja Twister and it seems that the chip count is higher now, compared to the original Ronja and older versions of the twisted pair model. Have you tried not to fake the link test pulses, but to transmit them to the other end? It might simplify the circuits. Gonzalo _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 28 21:00:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 28 21:00:06 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Timing circuits In-Reply-To: ; from rojoc@hotmail.com on Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 04:25:32PM -0300 References: Message-ID: <20040428200003.D16716@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 04:25:32PM -0300, Gonzalo Gil wrote: > Hi Clock, > > I just saw the schematics of the new Ronja Twister and it seems that the > chip count is higher now, compared to the original Ronja and older versions > of the twisted pair model. Have you tried not to fake the link test pulses, There wasn't any twister pair model of Ronja prior to Twister. Cl< From nicolas_rod at yahoo.com.ar Wed Apr 28 21:25:38 2004 From: nicolas_rod at yahoo.com.ar (=?iso-8859-1?q?Nico?=) Date: Wed Apr 28 21:25:41 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Few questions Message-ID: <20040428202538.6744.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone. I'm from Argentina. I'm sorry to bother you but I'm trying to build a Ronja 10Mb device and there are some components I couldn't get. I've got almost everything except the Lumiled Superflux LEDs (nor the Vishay Telefunken LED), the 130mm diameter loupe lenses and the BPW43 photodiode. The link I'm trying to do will have a little less than 1km. 1) Regarding the LEDs I've found two no-brand LEDs that has the same wavelenght, the beam angle and mcd as the SuperFlux LED but I don't know the response time of this cheap LEDs. Do you think this cheap LEDs could do the job? 2) I couldn't find any loupe lens larger than 80mm. I'd read somewhere that you can replace a lens that big with some combination of smaller lenses. Anybody know how could this be done and if this will work? 3) In the electronic stores I asked they don't have the BPW43 photodiode in stock but the importer of this component doesn't know if and when are they going to import some more. They offered my the BPW42 photodiode. Could this work? Do I have to alter the circuitry? Thanks in advance for your time. Nicolas Rodriguez. ------------ Los mejores usados y las m?s tentadoras ofertas de 0km est?n en Yahoo! Autos. Compr? o vend? tu auto en http://autos.yahoo.com.ar From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 28 21:38:03 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Apr 28 21:38:05 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Few questions In-Reply-To: <20040428202538.6744.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com>; from nicolas_rod@yahoo.com.ar on Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 05:25:38PM -0300 References: <20040428202538.6744.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040428203803.A16860@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 05:25:38PM -0300, Nico wrote: > Hi everyone. > I'm from Argentina. I'm sorry to bother you but I'm trying to build a > Ronja 10Mb device and there are some components I couldn't get. I've > got almost everything except the Lumiled Superflux LEDs (nor the Vishay > Telefunken LED), the 130mm diameter loupe lenses and the BPW43 > photodiode. The link I'm trying to do will have a little less than 1km. > > 1) Regarding the LEDs I've found two no-brand LEDs that has the same > wavelenght, the beam angle and mcd as the SuperFlux LED but I don't > know the response time of this cheap LEDs. Do you think this cheap LEDs > could do the job? Are you sure? I have seen many LEDs made by different vendors than Agilent and they also were substantially worse than those Agilent ones. Basically the chemistry is the same so the response times should be the same. But expect reduced performance for other vendors' weaker leds. (This is not an ad for Agilent, just my experience ;-) ) > 2) I couldn't find any loupe lens larger than 80mm. I'd read somewhere > that you can replace a lens that big with some combination of smaller > lenses. Anybody know how could this be done and if this will work? I don't know about any such hack. However you may build more smaller transmitter heads in case of loupe emergency. However this way you'll need also more transmitter electronics (which are the easiest from the tree electronic modules on the other way). > > 3) In the electronic stores I asked they don't have the BPW43 > photodiode in stock but the importer of this component doesn't know if > and when are they going to import some more. They offered my the BPW42 > photodiode. Could this work? Do I have to alter the circuitry? BPW42 isn't usable at all. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 29 11:30:44 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 29 11:30:50 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: dalsi chybicka na www In-Reply-To: <408F7B08.3080500@kiv.zcu.cz>; from masek50@kiv.zcu.cz on Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 11:36:08AM +0200 References: <408F7B08.3080500@kiv.zcu.cz> Message-ID: <20040429103044.A18123@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 11:36:08AM +0200, Josef Masek wrote: > nazdar > > na > http://ronja.twibright.com/receiver/building_cz.php > odkaz > (zde je zagzipov?no ve form?tu postscript.) > ukazuje na neexistujici stranku > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver_small.ps.gz Diky, fixed. Cl< > > s pozdravem > Josef Masek From uldis at rietumuradio.lv Thu Apr 29 12:17:55 2004 From: uldis at rietumuradio.lv (uldis) Date: Thu Apr 29 12:18:17 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BPW21 / OP905 / ELPD 15-22 Message-ID: <200404291117.i3TBHtB11188@cobalt.studio7.lv> Hello I am trying to build ronja, but it is impossible to get BPW43 here. Is it ok to use one of these photodiodes? Everlight ELPD 15-22 Infineon BPW21 Optek OP905 Thanks. From uldis at rietumuradio.lv Thu Apr 29 12:20:15 2004 From: uldis at rietumuradio.lv (uldis) Date: Thu Apr 29 12:20:25 2004 Subject: [Ronja] one more photodiode Message-ID: <200404291120.i3TBKFZ11362@cobalt.studio7.lv> I found also Hamamatsu S6436 - is it ok? From MrozX at seznam.cz Thu Apr 29 14:13:49 2004 From: MrozX at seznam.cz (MrozX) Date: Thu Apr 29 14:13:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? In-Reply-To: <20040424182403.A15805@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000901c42deb$cffd8780$3207a8c0@swe.cz> Vzorce : (dioptrick? hodnota / 4 ) + 1 = zv?t?en? 1 / dioptrick? hodnota = ohniskov? vzd?lenost [ m ] takze jestli je spravne vzorec a vypocet tak nasledovne..... LCH RB 13 G pr?m. 130 mm - zv?t?en? 2,00 x -ohniskov? vzd?lenost = 0,25 m BK 127/3 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 1,75 ------ohniskov? vzd?lenost = 0,1875 m BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 ------ohniskov? vzd?lenost = 0,3125 m a jaky ma ohniskova vzdalenost vliv na dosah, nebo proc je tedy nejlepsi volba to zvetseni 1,75 x ? Doufam, ze to neni nejaka debilni otazka ? :-) -----Original Message----- From: Karel Kulhav? [mailto:clock@twibright.com] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 8:24 PM To: Mroz X Cc: Twibright Ronja Subject: Re: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? > > > dik. > > > tedy BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 ? - jak se da spocitat dosah, > > > resp. rozdil oproti te nazelenale za 180 kc, asi se nebude jednat o > > > trojnasobnou vzdalenost v relaci k cene .. :-) > > > > Ne, tu s 1.75 > > > > Dosah muze bejt vetsi jen o trosku. > > > > Cl< > > ale napriklad 1,6 km ? bude to umet ? Znas ohniskovou vzdalenost te cocky? Cl< --- P??choz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov?no antivirov?m syst?mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.648 / Virov? b?ze: 415 - datum vyd?n?: 31.3.2004 --- Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov?no antivirov?m syst?mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.648 / Virov? b?ze: 415 - datum vyd?n?: 31.3.2004 From klapek at kki.net.pl Thu Apr 29 15:40:42 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Thu Apr 29 15:40:47 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?q?=5BRonja=5D=A0Re=3A=A074HC133?= In-Reply-To: <53344.213.77.122.1.1083236845.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> References: <200404272158.24025.klapek@kki.net.pl> <200404281518.21401.klapek@kki.net.pl> <53344.213.77.122.1.1083236845.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> Message-ID: <200404291640.42230.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Thursday 29 of April 2004 13:07, you wrote: > Czesc , mam problem z dostaniem tego uk?adu... > Jest on na tyle stary,ze juz go nie ma... > Moze wiesz w jaki sposob go zamienic ? > *** TRANSLATION FOR RONJA MAILING LIST: *** > Hi, I have problem obtaining that circuit... > It's so old that it's no longer available... > Maybe you know how to substitute it? Zobacz schematy (1szy w PNG jako gschem): http://koprowski.org/ronja/Twister_no_HC133_patch.png http://koprowski.org/ronja/Twister_no_HC133_patch.sch Nie gwarantuje ze sa 100% poprawne, ale taka mam nadzieje. Zastapilem HC133 przez HC30 i dodalem HC00. *** TRANSLATION FOR RONJA MAILING LIST: *** Check out following schematics (1st in PNG, 2nd in gschem): http://koprowski.org/ronja/Twister_no_HC133_patch.png http://koprowski.org/ronja/Twister_no_HC133_patch.sch I can't guarantee those are 100% correct but I hope so. I have replaced HC133 with HC30 and added HC00. Tomek Koprowski From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Apr 29 18:02:20 2004 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Apr 29 18:02:36 2004 Subject: [Ronja] nazvy predmetu ... Message-ID: <002f01c42e0b$bc763d40$5046a8c0@cipis.net> Chlapi, nebu?te zdechl? p?episovat p?edm?ty, kdo se v tom m? vyznat .. :-) Cipis From nicolas_rod at yahoo.com.ar Thu Apr 29 19:11:51 2004 From: nicolas_rod at yahoo.com.ar (=?iso-8859-1?q?Nico?=) Date: Thu Apr 29 19:11:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Few questions In-Reply-To: <20040428203803.A16860@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040429181151.66566.qmail@web13709.mail.yahoo.com> > > 1) Regarding the LEDs I've found two no-brand LEDs that has the > same > > wavelenght, the beam angle and mcd as the SuperFlux LED but I don't > > know the response time of this cheap LEDs. Do you think this cheap > LEDs > > could do the job? > > Are you sure? I have seen many LEDs made by different vendors than > Agilent > and they also were substantially worse than those Agilent ones. > I'm not sure. They tell me that the technical specifications are the same -at least what is informed- and as far as I can tell it's really bright although I'd never seen the Lumiled Superflux. But I don't have any way to check this. Even so, today I bought two of this "SuperBright" red leds (non-diffuse no-brand 3000mcd SuperBright red LEDs) and I'm going to try them. I hope they work. The one thing that scare me is its cost: U$S 0,30. Last time I checked SuperFlux LEDs were U$S 0,80. I don't think the difference is only the brand name. > > 2) I couldn't find any loupe lens larger than 80mm. I'd read > somewhere > > that you can replace a lens that big with some combination of > smaller > > lenses. Anybody know how could this be done and if this will work? > > I don't know about any such hack. However you may build more smaller > transmitter heads in case of loupe emergency. However this way you'll > need also > more transmitter electronics (which are the easiest from the tree > electronic > modules on the other way). This means I do get shorter link distance. Is that right? > > 3) In the electronic stores I asked they don't have the BPW43 > > photodiode in stock but the importer of this component doesn't know > if > > and when are they going to import some more. They offered my the > BPW42 > > photodiode. Could this work? Do I have to alter the circuitry? > > BPW42 isn't usable at all. The only photodiode I could get my hands on is BPW41. I bought it so I can do at least some test between two computers. Does anybody know where I can buy a couple of BPW43 photodiodes online and posible some Lumiled Superflux LEDS (in small quantities)? Thanks for all your help. Nicolas Rodriguez. ------------ Los mejores usados y las m?s tentadoras ofertas de 0km est?n en Yahoo! Autos. Compr? o vend? tu auto en http://autos.yahoo.com.ar From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Apr 29 19:48:16 2004 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Apr 29 19:49:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Ohniskova vzdalenost References: <000901c42deb$cffd8780$3207a8c0@swe.cz> Message-ID: <002501c42e1a$88b1d640$0101a8c0@cz> Hmm zajimave. Jsem si na 200m svitil s E4000 (TX) na RX (obe RB13G) a zjistil jsem (nejlepsi signal) : TX ohniskova vzdalenost (na 200m prumer asi 1m) pri E4000 = 317mm (700mV naproti v RX ...SFH2030) TX ohniskova vzdalenost (na 200m prumer asi 60cm) pri HSDL4230 = 353mm (1800mV naproti v RX ...SFH2030F) RX ohniskova vzdalenost (na 200m, stejne jestli ir nebo cervena LED) = 330mm -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "MrozX" To: "'Karel Kulhav?'" ; Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: RE: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? > > Vzorce : (dioptrick? hodnota / 4 ) + 1 = zv?t?en? > > 1 / dioptrick? hodnota = ohniskov? vzd?lenost [ m ] > > > takze jestli je spravne vzorec a vypocet tak nasledovne..... > > LCH RB 13 G pr?m. 130 mm - zv?t?en? 2,00 x -ohniskov? vzd?lenost = 0,25 > m > BK 127/3 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 1,75 ------ohniskov? vzd?lenost = > 0,1875 m > BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 ------ohniskov? vzd?lenost = > 0,3125 m > > a jaky ma ohniskova vzdalenost vliv na dosah, nebo proc je tedy nejlepsi > volba to zvetseni 1,75 x ? > > Doufam, ze to neni nejaka debilni otazka ? :-) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karel Kulhav? [mailto:clock@twibright.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 8:24 PM > To: Mroz X > Cc: Twibright Ronja > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? > > > > > dik. > > > > tedy BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 ? - jak se da spocitat > dosah, > > > > resp. rozdil oproti te nazelenale za 180 kc, asi se nebude jednat > o > > > > trojnasobnou vzdalenost v relaci k cene .. :-) > > > > > > Ne, tu s 1.75 > > > > > > Dosah muze bejt vetsi jen o trosku. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > ale napriklad 1,6 km ? bude to umet ? > > Znas ohniskovou vzdalenost te cocky? > > Cl< > > --- > P??choz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry. > Zkontrolov?no antivirov?m syst?mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). > Verze: 6.0.648 / Virov? b?ze: 415 - datum vyd?n?: 31.3.2004 > > > --- > Odchoz? zpr?va neobsahuje viry. > Zkontrolov?no antivirov?m syst?mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). > Verze: 6.0.648 / Virov? b?ze: 415 - datum vyd?n?: 31.3.2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 29 19:57:07 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 29 19:57:14 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Hub pro RONJU ? mozna neco takoveho pouzit ? In-Reply-To: <000901c42deb$cffd8780$3207a8c0@swe.cz>; from MrozX@seznam.cz on Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 03:13:49PM +0200 References: <20040424182403.A15805@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c42deb$cffd8780$3207a8c0@swe.cz> Message-ID: <20040429185707.C18481@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 03:13:49PM +0200, MrozX wrote: > > Vzorce : (dioptrick? hodnota / 4 ) + 1 = zv?t?en? > > 1 / dioptrick? hodnota = ohniskov? vzd?lenost [ m ] > > > takze jestli je spravne vzorec a vypocet tak nasledovne..... > > LCH RB 13 G pr?m. 130 mm - zv?t?en? 2,00 x -ohniskov? vzd?lenost = 0,25 > m > BK 127/3 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 1,75 ------ohniskov? vzd?lenost = > 0,1875 m > BK 127/5 pr?m. 127 mm - zv?t?en? 2,25 ------ohniskov? vzd?lenost = > 0,3125 m > > a jaky ma ohniskova vzdalenost vliv na dosah, nebo proc je tedy nejlepsi > volba to zvetseni 1,75 x ? To se neda jednoduse rict. Nicmene vetsi ohnisko v prijimaci znamena ze se na diodu chyta mene okolniho osvetleni pri stejnem mnozstvi signalu. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 29 20:04:17 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 29 20:04:19 2004 Subject: [Ronja] one more photodiode In-Reply-To: <200404291120.i3TBKFZ11362@cobalt.studio7.lv>; from uldis@rietumuradio.lv on Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 02:20:15PM +0300 References: <200404291120.i3TBKFZ11362@cobalt.studio7.lv> Message-ID: <20040429190417.D18481@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 02:20:15PM +0300, uldis wrote: > > I found also Hamamatsu S6436 - is it ok? It is usable but expect lower performance than with SFH203 or BPW43. If you are going to build with this diode plase give message as how did the receiver perform. Cl< From rojoc at hotmail.com Thu Apr 29 20:54:54 2004 From: rojoc at hotmail.com (Gonzalo Gil) Date: Thu Apr 29 20:54:57 2004 Subject: [Ronja] RE: Ronja Digest, Vol 12, Issue 65 Message-ID: >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:00:03 +0000 >From: Karel Kulhav? >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Timing circuits >To: Twibright Ronja >Message-ID: <20040428200003.D16716@beton.cybernet.src> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 04:25:32PM -0300, Gonzalo Gil wrote: > > Hi Clock, > > > > I just saw the schematics of the new Ronja Twister and it seems that the > > chip count is higher now, compared to the original Ronja and older >versions > > of the twisted pair model. Have you tried not to fake the link test >pulses, > >There wasn't any twister pair model of Ronja prior to Twister. > >Cl< I meant highlander's version of TP interface...but my point is, why faking the pulses instead of transmitting them? I posted a few months ago one idea of how to do this. The idea is to bias the transmitter LED with half the max current (about 35mA) and modulate to max current ('1') and 0 current ('0') instead of modulating fron 0mA. This scheme will provide the DC level so only short transients will occur at the receiver. Now the system will support autonegotiation. I did this with a laser diode, but I'm almost sure it can be done with a LED. Gonzalo _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 29 21:04:53 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 29 21:04:59 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D=A0Re:=A074HC133?= In-Reply-To: <200404291640.42230.klapek@kki.net.pl>; from klapek@kki.net.pl on Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 04:40:42PM +0200 References: <200404272158.24025.klapek@kki.net.pl> <200404281518.21401.klapek@kki.net.pl> <53344.213.77.122.1.1083236845.squirrel@poczta.core.net.pl> <200404291640.42230.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <20040429200453.B18637@beton.cybernet.src> Nice :) I suggest you to add a link with it onto Wiki Cl< On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 04:40:42PM +0200, Tomasz Koprowski wrote: > On Thursday 29 of April 2004 13:07, you wrote: > > Czesc , mam problem z dostaniem tego uk?adu... > > Jest on na tyle stary,ze juz go nie ma... > > Moze wiesz w jaki sposob go zamienic ? > > > *** TRANSLATION FOR RONJA MAILING LIST: *** > > Hi, I have problem obtaining that circuit... > > It's so old that it's no longer available... > > Maybe you know how to substitute it? > > Zobacz schematy (1szy w PNG jako gschem): > http://koprowski.org/ronja/Twister_no_HC133_patch.png > http://koprowski.org/ronja/Twister_no_HC133_patch.sch > Nie gwarantuje ze sa 100% poprawne, ale taka mam nadzieje. > Zastapilem HC133 przez HC30 i dodalem HC00. > > *** TRANSLATION FOR RONJA MAILING LIST: *** > Check out following schematics (1st in PNG, 2nd in gschem): > http://koprowski.org/ronja/Twister_no_HC133_patch.png > http://koprowski.org/ronja/Twister_no_HC133_patch.sch > I can't guarantee those are 100% correct but I hope so. > I have replaced HC133 with HC30 and added HC00. > > Tomek Koprowski > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 29 21:10:52 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Apr 29 21:10:55 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Few questions In-Reply-To: <20040429181151.66566.qmail@web13709.mail.yahoo.com>; from nicolas_rod@yahoo.com.ar on Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 03:11:51PM -0300 References: <20040428203803.A16860@beton.cybernet.src> <20040429181151.66566.qmail@web13709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040429201052.C18637@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 03:11:51PM -0300, Nico wrote: > > > 1) Regarding the LEDs I've found two no-brand LEDs that has the > > same > > > wavelenght, the beam angle and mcd as the SuperFlux LED but I don't > > > know the response time of this cheap LEDs. Do you think this cheap > > LEDs > > > could do the job? > > > > Are you sure? I have seen many LEDs made by different vendors than > > Agilent > > and they also were substantially worse than those Agilent ones. > > > > I'm not sure. They tell me that the technical specifications are the > same -at least what is informed- and as far as I can tell it's really Which specifications? Candelas, lumens, or what? Cl< > bright although I'd never seen the Lumiled Superflux. But I don't have > any way to check this. Even so, today I bought two of this > "SuperBright" red leds (non-diffuse no-brand 3000mcd SuperBright red > LEDs) and I'm going to try them. I hope they work. The one thing that > scare me is its cost: U$S 0,30. Last time I checked SuperFlux LEDs were > U$S 0,80. I don't think the difference is only the brand name. > > electronic > > modules on the other way). > > This means I do get shorter link distance. Is that right? Yes. > > > 3) In the electronic stores I asked they don't have the BPW43 > > > photodiode in stock but the importer of this component doesn't know > > if > > > and when are they going to import some more. They offered my the > > BPW42 > > > photodiode. Could this work? Do I have to alter the circuitry? > > > > BPW42 isn't usable at all. > > The only photodiode I could get my hands on is BPW41. I bought it so I > can do at least some test between two computers. Does anybody know > where I can buy a couple of BPW43 photodiodes online and posible some > Lumiled Superflux LEDS (in small quantities)? It's horrible how in some places some really basic components (e. g. high-speed high-quality telecom PIN photodiodes ;-) ) are absent. I fear in the end we will have a GPL-ed semiconductor fab and will argue in this mailing list which temperature and speed is the best for silicon rectification furnace and where to buy cheap Gallium and Arsene ;-) Cl< > > Thanks for all your help. > Nicolas Rodriguez. > > ------------ > Los mejores usados y las m?s tentadoras > ofertas de 0km est?n en Yahoo! Autos. > Compr? o vend? tu auto en > http://autos.yahoo.com.ar > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Apr 29 21:20:42 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Apr 29 21:22:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] virtual port Message-ID: <14016488453.20040429222042@volny.cz> Zdravim, nejak mi unikl zacatek debaty, ale co se tyce virtualniho portu pres TP, tak jsem nasel toto: http://www.hw.cz/ethernet/virtual_com/hw_vsp_2.html Ondra From klapek at kki.net.pl Thu Apr 29 21:59:57 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Thu Apr 29 21:59:57 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?q?=5BRonja=5D=A0Re=3A=A074HC133?= In-Reply-To: <20040429200453.B18637@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200404272158.24025.klapek@kki.net.pl> <200404291640.42230.klapek@kki.net.pl> <20040429200453.B18637@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200404292259.58289.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Thursday 29 of April 2004 22:04, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Nice :) Thanks. > I suggest you to add a link with it onto Wiki Done that. Hopefully in the right place, because Wiki has got a really steep learning curve. I just hope that it's 1-exp(-t) shaped ;) Regards, Tomek Koprowski From arni at undernet.lv Thu Apr 29 22:58:28 2004 From: arni at undernet.lv (Arnold Mingin) Date: Thu Apr 29 23:23:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FPGA Message-ID: Hello, Have anyone tried to implement Ronja device on FPGA? Stuff is cheap as 10$ per unit. Well, yes, the development software is not so cheap, but still... 3 modules requered for Ronja can be put in one chip, maybe... arni. From novotny.pp at atlas.cz Fri Apr 30 02:59:38 2004 From: novotny.pp at atlas.cz (Pavel Novotny) Date: Fri Apr 30 02:59:42 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Oziveni Ronja RX modulu Message-ID: Tak jsem dokoncil stavbu vysilace a prijimace Ronji a zacinam ozivovat,= zjistuji,ze v popisu sice najdu=20 poznamky typu, je dobre chladit vrtaci nastroj, ale o procesu ozivovani= nekde ani slovo=2E S ozivenim vysilace jsem celkem nemel problem, a rekl bych, ze funguje = tedy pokud po vstupu (merici bod P1) jezdim kusem cinu, ktery drzim v ruce LED nahodne blika=2E Problem mam s prijimacem, blikam-li pred fotodiodou vidim sice na oscil= oskopu, ze s pulsy klesa napeti na anode fotodiody (stava se vodivou), = ale na vystupu tj=2E merici bod P108 neni zadna reakce=2E Poradite jak prijimac postupne ozivit a najit chybu ? Cekal jsem, ze na G1 BF988 uvidim osciloskopem stejne pulsy jako na ano= de a na D BF988 budou stejne pusy patricne zesilene, to same pred a za = NR592, ale nic=2E Kopnete do me a prozradte mi co bych mel videt na BF 908 a NE592 at muz= u nejak najit v cem je problem=2E Soucastky a jejich hodnoty jsem kontroloval, napeti v kontrolnich bodec= h jsou OK, ale nejaka soucastka bude death=2E Dekuji _______________________________________________________________________= _________ Zale=9Dte si do EU za =E8esk=E9 pen=EDze! Amsterdam od 2=2E990 Kc=2E Sp= eci=E1ln=ED slevy letenek do 35 m=ECst EU=2E=20 http://www=2Eatlas=2Ecz/clickAD=2Easp?ad=3D50098 From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 30 06:33:47 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 30 06:33:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Oziveni Ronja RX modulu In-Reply-To: ; from novotny.pp@atlas.cz on Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 03:59:38AM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20040430053347.B18700@beton.cybernet.src> Ozivuje se az cela Metropolis a to je popsany zde: http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/testing.php Cl< On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 03:59:38AM +0200, Pavel Novotny wrote: > Tak jsem dokoncil stavbu vysilace a prijimace Ronji a zacinam ozivovat, zjistuji,ze v popisu sice najdu > poznamky typu, je dobre chladit vrtaci nastroj, ale o procesu ozivovani nekde ani slovo. > > > S ozivenim vysilace jsem celkem nemel problem, a rekl bych, ze funguje tedy pokud po vstupu (merici bod P1) > jezdim kusem cinu, ktery drzim v ruce LED nahodne blika. > > Problem mam s prijimacem, blikam-li pred fotodiodou vidim sice na osciloskopu, ze s pulsy klesa napeti na anode fotodiody (stava se vodivou), ale > na vystupu tj. merici bod P108 neni zadna reakce. > Poradite jak prijimac postupne ozivit a najit chybu ? > > Cekal jsem, ze na G1 BF988 uvidim osciloskopem stejne pulsy jako na anode a na D BF988 budou stejne pusy patricne zesilene, to same pred a za NR592, ale nic. > > Kopnete do me a prozradte mi co bych mel videt na BF 908 a NE592 at muzu nejak najit v cem je problem. > > Soucastky a jejich hodnoty jsem kontroloval, napeti v kontrolnich bodech jsou OK, ale nejaka soucastka bude death. > > Dekuji > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > Zale?te si do EU za ?esk? pen?ze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci?ln? slevy letenek do 35 m?st EU. > http://www.atlas.cz/clickAD.asp?ad=50098 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 30 06:34:51 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 30 06:34:56 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FPGA In-Reply-To: ; from arni@undernet.lv on Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 12:58:28AM +0300 References: Message-ID: <20040430053451.C18700@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 12:58:28AM +0300, Arnold Mingin wrote: > > Hello, > > Have anyone tried to implement Ronja device on FPGA? Stuff is cheap as 10$ > per unit. Well, yes, the development software is not so cheap, but still... > 3 modules requered for Ronja can be put in one chip, maybe... Do you know a way how to program some FPGA under Linux? Cl< > > > arni. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From schum at seznam.cz Fri Apr 30 07:06:00 2004 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Fri Apr 30 07:06:03 2004 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20Oziveni=20Ronja=20RX=20modulu?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <359769.3510197-14057-2048791510-1083305160@seznam.cz> ================= P?vodn? zpr?va ================= Od (From): "Pavel Novotny" Komu (To): ronja@lists.pointless.net Kopie (Cc): P?edm?t (Subject): [Ronja] Oziveni Ronja RX modulu Datum (Date): 30. 4. 2004 3:59 ================================================== > Problem mam s prijimacem, blikam-li pred fotodiodou vidim sice na osciloskopu, ze s pulsy klesa napeti na anode fotodiody (stava se vodivou), ale > na vystupu tj. merici bod P108 neni zadna reakce. > Poradite jak prijimac postupne ozivit a najit chybu ? > > Cekal jsem, ze na G1 BF988 uvidim osciloskopem stejne pulsy jako na anode a na D BF988 budou stejne pusy patricne zesilene, to same pred a za NR592, ale nic. > > Kopnete do me a prozradte mi co bych mel videt na BF 908 a NE592 at muzu nejak najit v cem je problem. > > Soucastky a jejich hodnoty jsem kontroloval, napeti v kontrolnich bodech jsou OK, ale nejaka soucastka bude death. > > Dekuji Musis tam blikat s frekvenci 1MHz, pak to pojede mirek ____________________________________________________________ Obchodn? d?m.cz - ?irok? sortiment dom?c?ch spot?ebi?? a elektroniky, v?razn? slevy. Nav?tivte http://ad.seznam.cz/clickthru?spotId=73742§ion=/ From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Apr 30 07:16:32 2004 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Apr 30 07:18:34 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Oziveni Ronja RX modulu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <432041907.20040430081632@volny.cz> Prohledni si toto: http://www.chrudim.cz/genesis/RonjaPopis.rar jsou zde prubehy, co ma kde byt. Ondra PN> Tak jsem dokoncil stavbu vysilace a prijimace Ronji a zacinam ozivovat,= zjistuji,ze v popisu sice najdu=20 PN> poznamky typu, je dobre chladit vrtaci nastroj, ale o procesu ozivovani= nekde ani slovo. PN> S ozivenim vysilace jsem celkem nemel problem, a rekl bych, ze funguje = tedy pokud po vstupu (merici bod P1) PN> jezdim kusem cinu, ktery drzim v ruce LED nahodne blika. PN> Problem mam s prijimacem, blikam-li pred fotodiodou vidim sice na oscil= oskopu, ze s pulsy klesa napeti na anode fotodiody (stava se vodivou), ale PN> na vystupu tj. merici bod P108 neni zadna reakce. PN> Poradite jak prijimac postupne ozivit a najit chybu =3F PN> Cekal jsem, ze na G1 BF988 uvidim osciloskopem stejne pulsy jako na ano= de a na D BF988 budou stejne pusy patricne zesilene, to same pred a za NR59= 2, ale nic. PN> Kopnete do me a prozradte mi co bych mel videt na BF 908 a NE592 at muz= u nejak najit v cem je problem. PN> Soucastky a jejich hodnoty jsem kontroloval, napeti v kontrolnich bodec= h jsou OK, ale nejaka soucastka bude death. PN> Dekuji PN> _______________________________________________________________________= _________ PN> Zale=9Dte si do EU za =E8esk=E9 pen=EDze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci= =E1ln=ED slevy letenek do 35 m=ECst EU.=00 PN> http://www.atlas.cz/clickAD.asp=3Fad=3D50098 PN> _______________________________________________ PN> Ronja mailing list PN> Ronja@lists.pointless.net PN> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 07:47:26 2004 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Fri Apr 30 07:47:30 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 12, Issue 66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040430064726.5550.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> an friend of mine tried bpw41 and seem to work good over 500m with 100mm dia lens and hpwt-e/f4000. For man from Argentia, i can help you, in one way, but in my contry (Romania) these parts have more costs from other places. For HPWT series, give an mail to www.future-active.com (distributor for hpwt leds) and if they have presence in your country.. ;)..it's ok. They have presence in my country thru some brokers. they sell to me hpwt e4000 in 60 units per roll.(1.3$/unit). With BPW43, the same thing,prices at these brokers arround 1,5$/unit - min. 10 units pack order. depends on you.So,if you want ,i can help you in this way.(i can sent 2 you some hpwt-dh00-g4000 leds).Also, i have 100mm dia lens with 3,25 diopter (260-280mm focal lens).give an mail to sorin@bz.ines.ro . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 08:24:35 2004 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Fri Apr 30 08:24:38 2004 Subject: [Ronja] optical transmiter&receiver alternative.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040430072435.48430.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> HPWT series can be substituted with these: ELD-700-524-3, 700 nm, 17 mW @ 100 mA, 8°, 5 mm clear epoxy,25/20ns rise time.(http://www.roithner-laser.com/All_Datasheets/LEDs/ELD-700-524-3.pdf) -4,32$/UNIT or infrared parts: OPE5687HP, 880 nm, 45 mW @ 100 mA, 22°, 25/15 ns, 14 MHz, 5 mm clear epoxy (http://www.roithner-laser.com/All_Datasheets/LEDs/OPE5687HP.pdf) -2,30$/UNIT ELD-870f-515-2, 870 nm, fast! 5 ns tr&tf, 16 mW @ 100 mA, 8°, 5 mm clear epoxy(http://www.roithner-laser.com/All_Datasheets/LEDs/ELD-870f-525.pdf) -6,30$/UNIT -------------------- BPW43 can be substituted with these: GaAs PIN Photodiode TMC-8D41,3ns rise time,125MHz Bandwidth,optimized for fiber optic. 22$/unit (tmc-8d31 cost 17$/unit) EPD-660-5/0.5, red selective photo diode, peak sensitivity @ 660 nm,15ns rise time -6,60$/unit PD1450-35T52, InGaAs PIN, 0.12 mm˛, 1.0-1.6 µm, TO-18, tr: 10 ns, tf: 5 ns -17$/Unit ------ Roithner distributor sell everywhere on the planet . http://www.roithner-laser.com/order.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From zapadlo at melzer.cz Fri Apr 30 08:49:12 2004 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Fri Apr 30 08:49:27 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Oziveni Ronja RX modulu In-Reply-To: <359769.3510197-14057-2048791510-1083305160@seznam.cz> References: <359769.3510197-14057-2048791510-1083305160@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <200404300949.12577.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > Musis tam blikat s frekvenci 1MHz, pak to pojede > Ja jsem si vypomahal dalkacem od televize a na zakladni diagnostiku to bylo dobre. (RSSI [jedna dioda-odpor 100ohm] ukazoval z 20cm cca 25mV) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From wpeople at ms.hu Fri Apr 30 08:59:01 2004 From: wpeople at ms.hu (Woodoo People .pGa!) Date: Fri Apr 30 08:59:10 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 12, Issue 66 In-Reply-To: <20040430064726.5550.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040430064726.5550.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040430075901.GB31373@Shadow.microsystem.hu> If needed you can get bpw43 from www.lomex.hu or i can help you in shipping bigger quantities (but if possible i dont' want to spend too much time on posting single pairs for 1Euro) > an friend of mine tried bpw41 and seem to work good > over 500m with 100mm dia lens and hpwt-e/f4000. > For man from Argentia, i can help you, in one way, but > in my contry (Romania) these parts have more costs > from other places. > For HPWT series, give an mail to www.future-active.com > (distributor for hpwt leds) and if they have presence > in your country.. ;)..it's ok. > They have presence in my country thru some brokers. > they sell to me hpwt e4000 in 60 units per > roll.(1.3$/unit). > With BPW43, the same thing,prices at these brokers > arround 1,5$/unit - min. 10 units pack order. > depends on you.So,if you want ,i can help you in this > way.(i can sent 2 you some hpwt-dh00-g4000 leds).Also, > i have 100mm dia lens with 3,25 diopter (260-280mm > focal lens).give an mail to sorin@bz.ines.ro . -- WoodOO-[P]an[G]alaktikan[A]gent-People <][> http://shadow.pganet.com wpeople@shadow.pganet.com]iCQ#33118021[wpeople.on.iRCNet]wpeople@RedHat.users From arni at undernet.lv Fri Apr 30 10:03:35 2004 From: arni at undernet.lv (Arnold Mingin) Date: Fri Apr 30 10:02:58 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FPGA Message-ID: Unfortunately, no. We're working with Xilinx, their software for Windows is free (great thing, translates schematics to their language instantly). It may run under WINE or Win4Linux. One problem. Since we're trying to put everything in one chip, there may be a problem to distribute diodes away from PCB into "pipes". BNC cable maybe? arni. -----Original Message----- >From: "Karel Kulhav?" >Sent: 30.04.04 8:34:51 >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Subject: Re: [Ronja] FPGA > >On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 12:58:28AM +0300, Arnold Mingin wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Have anyone tried to implement Ronja device on FPGA? Stuff is cheap as 10$ >> per unit. Well, yes, the development software is not so cheap, but still... >> 3 modules requered for Ronja can be put in one chip, maybe... > >Do you know a way how to program some FPGA under Linux? > >Cl< >> >> >> arni. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jkrul at seznam.cz Fri Apr 30 12:33:28 2004 From: jkrul at seznam.cz (=?windows-1250?B?Smn47SBLcnVs?=) Date: Fri Apr 30 12:33:23 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Oziveni Ronja RX modulu References: Message-ID: <0bf701c42ea6$f52de110$0414a8c0@pc> Problem m=F9=9Ee b=FDt v tom jak rychle blik=E1te, pokud jsou "bliky" dos= tatecne pomale budou se pova=9Eovat za stejnom=ECrnou slo=9Eku a neprolezou p=F8= es C 101, jak u=9E tu zazn=EClo docela dobr=FDm testerem je d=E1lkov=E9 ovl=E1d=E1n=ED , pokud j=EDm posv= =EDt=EDte na Rx diodu m=EClo by se na RSSI objevit n=ECjak=E9 nap=ECt=ED a na osciloskopu by j= ste m=ECl vid=ECt jednotliv=E9 pusly z DO. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Pavel Novotny" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 3:59 AM Subject: [Ronja] Oziveni Ronja RX modulu Tak jsem dokoncil stavbu vysilace a prijimace Ronji a zacinam ozivovat, zjistuji,ze v popisu sice najdu poznamky typu, je dobre chladit vrtaci nastroj, ale o procesu ozivovani nekde ani slovo. S ozivenim vysilace jsem celkem nemel problem, a rekl bych, ze funguje te= dy pokud po vstupu (merici bod P1) jezdim kusem cinu, ktery drzim v ruce LED nahodne blika. Problem mam s prijimacem, blikam-li pred fotodiodou vidim sice na osciloskopu, ze s pulsy klesa napeti na anode fotodiody (stava se vodivou= ), ale na vystupu tj. merici bod P108 neni zadna reakce. Poradite jak prijimac postupne ozivit a najit chybu ? Cekal jsem, ze na G1 BF988 uvidim osciloskopem stejne pulsy jako na anode= a na D BF988 budou stejne pusy patricne zesilene, to same pred a za NR592, = ale nic. Kopnete do me a prozradte mi co bych mel videt na BF 908 a NE592 at muzu nejak najit v cem je problem. Soucastky a jejich hodnoty jsem kontroloval, napeti v kontrolnich bodech jsou OK, ale nejaka soucastka bude death. Dekuji _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ____ Zale=9Dte si do EU za =E8esk=E9 pen=EDze! Amsterdam od 2.990 Kc. Speci=E1= ln=ED slevy letenek do 35 m=ECst EU. http://www.atlas.cz/clickAD.asp?ad=3D50098 _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From matt at tmmz.net Fri Apr 30 13:03:21 2004 From: matt at tmmz.net (Matthew Zahorik) Date: Fri Apr 30 13:03:40 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FPGA In-Reply-To: <20040430053451.C18700@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20040430053451.C18700@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, [iso-8859-2] Karel Kulhav=FD wrote: > On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 12:58:28AM +0300, Arnold Mingin wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Have anyone tried to implement Ronja device on FPGA? Stuff is cheap as = 10$ > > per unit. Well, yes, the development software is not so cheap, but stil= l... > > 3 modules requered for Ronja can be put in one chip, maybe... > > Do you know a way how to program some FPGA under Linux? There's a Linux Journal on FPGA programming with Xilinx design tools with links. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=3D6857 - Matt From klapek at kki.net.pl Fri Apr 30 13:20:53 2004 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Fri Apr 30 13:20:51 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FPGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404301420.53972.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Friday 30 of April 2004 11:03, Arnold Mingin wrote: > may run under WINE or Win4Linux. One problem. Since we're trying to put > everything in one chip, there may be a problem to distribute diodes away > from PCB into "pipes". BNC cable maybe? It might make sense to implement all the logic of Twister in FPGA, add coax line driver/receivers and just leave the RX and TX modules alone. The only problem I can see here are the RC circuits C101-R62 and C65-R52 which can't be incorporated into the programmable device and I don't know if FPGAs have schmitt trigered inputs. Generally I find your idea cool. :) Regards, Tomek Koprowski From macros at fear.cz Fri Apr 30 14:58:21 2004 From: macros at fear.cz (macros) Date: Fri Apr 30 14:59:20 2004 Subject: [Ronja] LED HPWT In-Reply-To: <007001c42eb9$b02a34c0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <007001c42eb9$b02a34c0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <40925B7D.8080400@fear.cz> Cau, takze - H4000 je pouzitelna do stavajicich ronji kdyz se prida do TXka jeste jeden budic? Jak moc velkej vliv bude mit na funkcnost ta rozdilna vlnova delka? Dokazes odhadnout, na jakou vzdalenost se s timhle da udelat spoj? thx, macros -=RYS=- wrote: > Ahoj lidi mam LED HPWT-BH00-H4000 za asi 63Kc,- (vcetne "dnesniho" DPH) . > > Uhel > 30st > Luxmen > min: 4 lm , max: 12 lm > Intenzita > min: 8 cd , max: 24 cd > Vlnova delka > 622 nm (red-orange) > > > Pro porovnani s HPWT-BD00-E4000: > > Uhel > 30st > Luxmen > min: 2.5 lm , max: 6.1 lm > Intenzita > min: 5 cd , max: 12.2 cd > Vlnova delka > 635 nm (red) > > A jeste pro porovnani s HPWT-BD00-F4000: > > Uhel > 30st > Luxmen > min: 3 lm , max: 7.3 lm > Intenzita > min: 6 cd , max: 14.6 cd > Vlnova delka > 635 nm (red) > > > Testoval jsem to s touhle nejsilnejsi LED H4000 a je treba tam dat jeste > jede 74HC04, protoze odber je jak "krava". > Je to pravda ne ciste cervena, ale spise takova "belejsi" cervena, az k > oranzove, ale to pro funkcni nevadi. > Kazdopadne je to nejsilnejsi HPWT LED ktera se do Ronji muze pouzit. > > Jestli budete mit nekdo zajem, tak mi soukr napiste. > > Ahoj -=RYS=- > > From rojoc at hotmail.com Fri Apr 30 16:17:16 2004 From: rojoc at hotmail.com (Gonzalo Gil) Date: Fri Apr 30 16:17:22 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BPW43 en Argentina Message-ID: Nicolas, Soy Gonzalo, tambien de Argentina. Los BPW43 yo los consegui en Electronica Liniers a mitad del ańo pasado ($3 mas o menos), pero tengo entendido que no se fabrican mas, y en cuanto al LED, lo termine reemplazando por un diodo laser sacado de un puntero (tuve que modificar varios circuitos). Espero que te sirva de algo. Saludos, Gonzalo _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Apr 30 16:24:44 2004 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri Apr 30 16:24:49 2004 Subject: [Ronja] FPGA In-Reply-To: <200404301420.53972.klapek@kki.net.pl> References: <200404301420.53972.klapek@kki.net.pl> Message-ID: <200404301724.44762.ladmanj@volny.cz> > > The only problem I can see here are the RC circuits C101-R62 and > C65-R52 which can't be incorporated into the programmable device and > I don't know if FPGAs have schmitt trigered inputs. > My idea is to create a digital phase locked loop and with several counters (everything in one FPGA) replace the analogue timing circuits. It is not too difficult, but i have no time to do it now. Jakub PS: One of additional benefits may be, that timming circuits may be programmable. From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 30 17:25:49 2004 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Apr 30 17:25:54 2004 Subject: [Ronja] BPW21 / OP905 / ELPD 15-22 In-Reply-To: <200404291117.i3TBHtB11188@cobalt.studio7.lv>; from uldis@rietumuradio.lv on Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 02:17:55PM +0300 References: <200404291117.i3TBHtB11188@cobalt.studio7.lv> Message-ID: <20040430162549.E12553@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 02:17:55PM +0300, uldis wrote: > > Hello > I am trying to build ronja, but it is impossible to get BPW43 > here. Is it ok to use one of these photodiodes? > > Everlight ELPD 15-22 No > Infineon BPW21 No > Optek OP905 Yes, added into equivalents. Cl< From nicolas_rod at yahoo.com.ar Fri Apr 30 18:20:58 2004 From: nicolas_rod at yahoo.com.ar (=?iso-8859-1?q?Nico?=) Date: Fri Apr 30 18:21:18 2004 Subject: [Ronja] Few questions In-Reply-To: <20040429201052.C18637@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20040430172058.88512.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com> > > I'm not sure. They tell me that the technical specifications are > the > > same -at least what is informed- and as far as I can tell it's > really > > Which specifications? Candelas, lumens, or what? Millicandelas and its angle are the same. > It's horrible how in some places some really basic components (e. g. > high-speed > high-quality telecom PIN photodiodes ;-) ) are absent. > > I fear in the end we will have a GPL-ed semiconductor fab and will > argue > in this mailing list which temperature and speed is the best for > silicon > rectification furnace and where to buy cheap Gallium and Arsene ;-) That's true. Anyway I'd noticed that some people tend to reinvent the wheel, so you'll always find people interested in such project. ;-) I did get the BPW43 photodiode last night (U$S 3 each) but I had to wait a month for it. Nicolas. ------------ Los mejores usados y las m?s tentadoras ofertas de 0km est?n en Yahoo! Autos. Compr? o vend? tu auto en http://autos.yahoo.com.ar