From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 1 00:26:00 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Sep 30 22:26:10 2003 Subject: [Ronja] AUI In-Reply-To: <3F79FDF2.22118.EC4CA2@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 10:04:34PM +0200 References: <3F79FDF2.22118.EC4CA2@localhost> Message-ID: <20030930232600.G4611@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 10:04:34PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Vazeni, na http://laser.webpark.cz/download/interface.zip naleznete eagle4.09 > schema a navrh posledni verze plosneho spoje mirne upraveneho AUI interface, > ktery po oriznuti pasuje do krabicek AH-102 GM nebo U-AH107 GES. Ma to pouze > jednu vadu, protoze PLS byly vyrabeny v domacich podminkach, jsou otvory v > pajecich ploskach, potazmo vrtaky, nadefinovany na 0,4mm. Pokud to budete > chtit po nekom vyrobit PREDEFINUJTE JE! A kdyz uz budete v tom, tak jeste > muzete zvetsit samotne pady a publikovat to. Ja jsem s AUI definitivne > zkoncil, takze na to uz nesahnu. Jeste podotykam ze misto oscilatoru a > delicky 7474 je pouzit krystalovy oscilator 1MHz v kovovem pouzdru DIP14. > Dale na http://laser.webpark.cz/IMG/RSSI.png je schema citlivejsiho mereni > RSSI. Clock uz ho obdrzel pred nejakou dobou a co nevidet, by se k nemu mel Jo uz jsem ho tam davno dal ale aby se usetrily soucastky misto zdvojovace napeti jsem tam nechal jenom tu diodu. Podstatny hack byl v tom 1k odporu. Jestli to vystupni napeti bude 2x mensi to podle me nevadi protoze ten merak akorat ukaze polovicku a udaj 0.1mV se zas tak casto nepouziva :) Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Oct 1 11:29:40 2003 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Oct 1 09:36:05 2003 Subject: [Ronja] AUI Message-ID: <3F7AAC94.1918.3471A0@localhost> > chtel jsem se zeptat, psal jste prispevek do ronja konference ze jste s AUI > definitivne zkoncil. Mam to chapat tak ze uz to nepouzivate nebo mate udelane > rozhrani na TP. Pokud mate TP je to nekde publikovane? AUI uz nepouzivam, ten plosnak je posledni odzkousena verze AUI interface. Momentalne pouzivam UTP, ale podle standardu StarLan10, tj. nepouzivaji se link integrity test impulsy. Pak uz se nepouzije samotna krabice interface, ale UTP kabel jde primo do roury na strese, pocet soucastek se tak zmensi zhruba na polovinu. Bohuzel to jeste neni uplne vychytane, aby to bylo mozno publikovat. > Stavel jsem TP rozhrani od Highlandera, ale to chodilo nejak podivne, velke > ztraty paketu, obcas to jelo obcas ne, hodne zalezelo na pripojene sitovce > jestli to jelo nebo ne. To chodi podivne ze zasady. Problem je, ze se to musi nastavit kus od kusu a to neni jen tak. Hlavni problem bych videl v tom MKO, co dela 100ns puls. Tam se musi pouzit kvalitni kondenzator - keramika hmota NPO a odpor doladit rucne. Na AKO generujicim periodu 16ms az tak nezalezi, tam je dovolena tolerance 10 az 25ms. No a pokud jeste k tomu mate RX na plosnaku, tak uz se divim, ze to vubec funguje... From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Oct 2 10:07:18 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Oct 2 08:07:23 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Pomale stahovani Slow download In-Reply-To: <200310012136.56469.vojta@sinus.cz> References: <200310012136.56469.vojta@sinus.cz> Message-ID: <64007.62.168.51.103.1065078438.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> > For english version, look down. > Ahoj, > prosim tez o radu. Mam funkcni instalaci ronje na 800 metru. Pri > stahovani > souboru pres FTP, stejne jako pri jinych TCP prenosech, dosahnu > rychlosti jen okolo 50-150 kB/s, ktera se mezi temito mezemi dost > nahodne pohybuje. Nyni jsou tam 2 stejne sitove karty na obou stranach: > > 3Com Corporation 3c905B-Combo [Deluxe Etherlink XL 10/100] > To je jen TP karta. Mate AUI rozhrani, nebo nejake TP? To co popisujete, velmi podobne se mi chovala ronja, ktera mela jednu kartu ve full duplexu, a jednu v half. Upresnete co mate za rozhrani a jak to mate zapojene. Mezi tim zkuste prepnout obe strany do half duplexu a uvidite jak se Vam tobude chovat. S podravem Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo From vojta at sinus.cz Thu Oct 2 11:14:38 2003 From: vojta at sinus.cz (=?iso-8859-2?q?Vojt=ECch=20Pithart?=) Date: Thu Oct 2 09:14:44 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Pomale stahovani Slow download In-Reply-To: <64007.62.168.51.103.1065078438.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> References: <200310012136.56469.vojta@sinus.cz> <64007.62.168.51.103.1065078438.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> Message-ID: <200310021014.38385.vojta@sinus.cz> moje 3c905: Je to karta, ktera ma 10/100 UTP, BNC i AUI, do PCI slotu. Pouzivam z ni AUI. Mam standartni Ronju 10M Metropolis s AUI rozhranim. Moduly maji zapnute full_duplex=1, takze doufam, ze jsou opravdu full duplex. Melo by to byt nekde v syslogu videt? Vojta Lhota > To je jen TP karta. Mate AUI rozhrani, nebo nejake TP? > > To co popisujete, velmi podobne se mi chovala ronja, ktera mela jednu > kartu ve full duplexu, a jednu v half. > > Upresnete co mate za rozhrani a jak to mate zapojene. > Mezi tim zkuste prepnout obe strany do half duplexu a uvidite jak se Vam > tobude chovat. From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Thu Oct 2 13:17:28 2003 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Thu Oct 2 11:16:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Proc vodou reditelna barva? Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB03D68E@vestex01.vest.corp> Ahoj, Clocku, proc je v navodu nater tubusu a ostatniho pouzita vodou reditelna barva? Muze se pouzit jakakoliv? Mam s vodou reditelnou barvou spatny zkusenosti. Natrel jsem s ni doma radiator a jak byla naredena vodou, tak mi to zacina rezatet :-) Ale je mozny ze jsem jen neschopnej... :-) A jeste proc cerna barva? Vzdyt to musi bejt v lete rozpaleny jak petnik. -- Kosac From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 2 14:13:53 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Oct 2 12:14:11 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Pomale stahovani Slow download In-Reply-To: <200310012136.56469.vojta@sinus.cz>; from vojta@sinus.cz on Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 09:36:56PM +0200 References: <200310012136.56469.vojta@sinus.cz> Message-ID: <20031002131353.A371@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 09:36:56PM +0200, Vojt?ch Pithart wrote: > For english version, look down. > Ahoj, > prosim tez o radu. Mam funkcni instalaci ronje na 800 metru. Pri stahovani > souboru pres FTP, stejne jako pri jinych TCP prenosech, dosahnu rychlosti jen > okolo 50-150 kB/s, ktera se mezi temito mezemi dost nahodne pohybuje. Nyni > jsou tam 2 stejne sitove karty na obou stranach: > > 3Com Corporation 3c905B-Combo [Deluxe Etherlink XL 10/100] > > parametry modulu jsou na jedne strane (RedHat) modules.conf: > alias eth0 3c59x > options 3c59x options=1 full_duplex=1 > a na druhe strane (v rc.local) > modprobe 3c59x options=1 debug=3 full_duplex=1 hw_checksums=0 watchdog=100 > > Pomoci pingu (ping -s 1470 -f) lze tamtudy protlacit i 500 kB/s > 1000 packets transmitted, 988 received, 1% loss, time 11729ms > rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.637/2.685/8.673/0.271 ms, pipe 2, ipg/ewma > 11.741/2.662 ms > > Pri obou druzich prenosu, ping -f i FTP, rx a tx ledky blikaji prerusovane. > Vzdy minimalne polovinu casu nesviti. Pri FTP stahovani je to asi takto: > 50ms sviti obe, 250ms nesviti nic, a to periodicky. vypis tcpdumpu tomu > odpovida. Proste se vzdy chvilku nic nevysila. Po hodine provozu vypadaji > ifconfigy takto: > strana a > RX packets:192391 errors:1416 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:2012 ^^^^ ^^^^ > TX packets:192570 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > RX bytes:269271433 (256.7 Mb) TX bytes:183837908 (175.3 Mb) > strana b > RX packets:183369 errors:171 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:313 ^^^ ^^^ Ta linka ma packetloss. Je asi spatne zamerena. Nejdriv je potreba packetloss odstranit protoze TCP ma s packetlossem velkem problemy. The line has a packetloss. Is probably aligned wrong. It is necessary to get rid of the packetloss first because TCP has big problems with packetloss. > TX packets:241831 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > RX bytes:182721160 (174.2 Mb) TX bytes:293736970 (280.1 Mb) From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 2 14:20:18 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Oct 2 12:20:22 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Proc vodou reditelna barva? In-Reply-To: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB03D68E@vestex01.vest.corp>; from kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz on Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 12:17:28PM +0200 References: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB03D68E@vestex01.vest.corp> Message-ID: <20031002132018.B371@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 12:17:28PM +0200, kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz wrote: > Ahoj, > > Clocku, proc je v navodu nater tubusu a ostatniho > pouzita vodou reditelna barva? Muze se pouzit Je tam protoze je s tim min prce nez s redidlovkou a taky kdyz to clovek dela ve stisnenych prostorach tak se neotravi vyparama. My jsme neco natirali a mysleli jsme ze budeme brzo hucet a to jsme meli otevreny okno ;-) Normalni redidlovka jde taky pouzit. > jakakoliv? Mam s vodou reditelnou barvou spatny > zkusenosti. Natrel jsem s ni doma radiator a jak > byla naredena vodou, tak mi to zacina rezatet :-) No me ty tubusy taky trochu rezatej - tesne potom co se to natre. A to jsem to dokonale odmastoval a pouzil vodou reditelnou zakladovku. Ale jsou to jen takovy malinkaty tecky co trochu kazej vzhled a dal se uz nezhorsujou. Asi vyrobce tvrdi vic nez ta barva umi ;-) Uz mam napsano nekde ze mam prepsat ty navody a napsat to do nich, az se k tomu dostanu tak to udelam. > Ale je mozny ze jsem jen neschopnej... :-) > > A jeste proc cerna barva? Vzdyt to musi bejt v lete > rozpaleny jak petnik. Zvenku cerna barva neni. Zvenku je bila. Cl< From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Thu Oct 2 15:33:03 2003 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:57:07 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Proc vodou reditelna barva? Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB03D68F@vestex01.vest.corp> > No me ty tubusy taky trochu rezatej - tesne potom co > se to natre. A to jsem to dokonale odmastoval a pouzil > vodou reditelnou zakladovku. Ale jsou to jen takovy malinkaty tecky > co trochu kazej vzhled a dal se uz nezhorsujou. Jo. To je presne ono. U toho topeni prave slo o vzhled. :-( Asi pouziju acetonku. > > Asi vyrobce tvrdi vic nez ta barva umi ;-) > > Uz mam napsano nekde ze mam prepsat ty navody a napsat to do > nich, az se k tomu dostanu tak to udelam. > > > Zvenku cerna barva neni. Zvenku je bila. Jojo. Jsem slepon a jeste k tomu blbe ctu :-) -- Kosac > > Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 2 21:14:06 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Oct 2 19:14:18 2003 Subject: [Ronja] RSSI In-Reply-To: <3F7AAC94.17232.3472AD@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 10:29:40AM +0200 References: <3F7AAC94.17232.3472AD@localhost> Message-ID: <20031002201406.A805@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 10:29:40AM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > >> Dale na http://laser.webpark.cz/IMG/RSSI.png je schema citlivejsiho mereni > >> RSSI. Clock uz ho obdrzel pred nejakou dobou a co nevidet, by se k nemu mel > > >Jo uz jsem ho tam davno dal ale aby se usetrily soucastky misto > >zdvojovace napeti jsem tam nechal jenom tu diodu. Podstatny hack byl v tom > >1k odporu. Jestli to vystupni napeti bude 2x mensi to podle me nevadi > >protoze ten merak akorat ukaze polovicku a udaj 0.1mV se zas tak casto > >nepouziva :) > > >Cl< > > OK, ja do toho mam ruckovej merak 0-5V, takze dvojnasobne napeti vyuziju ;-). > Jak jsem zbezne porovnaval zdvojovac proti jedne diode, tak zdvojovac zachytil znamky > signalu o dost drive, taky zavislost vystupniho napeti na intenzite prijmu se me zdala o neco > mravnejsi. Taky s jednou diodou se na vystupu vyskytuji divne prubehy, ze kterych ma mnohy Podle ceho jste urcoval ze "zdvojovac zachytil znamky signalu"? > levny multimetr tezkou hlavu. Jak ty divne prubehy vypadaji? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 2 21:16:51 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Oct 2 19:16:52 2003 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_Ud=EClal_jsem_plo=B9n=E9_spoje?= In-Reply-To: <252564142.20030930075812@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 07:58:12AM +0200 References: <200306201422.57136.tomas@ccscb.cz> <252564142.20030930075812@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031002201651.B805@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 07:58:12AM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Chtel jsem se zeptat, jestli byste byl ochoten i tu AUI desku > preroutovat tak, aby se vesla do krabicky AH-102. > > Pripadne jestli jste ochoten mi poslat elektronicka data. V jakem jsou > programu? Jsou na strance Ronji, pokud nejsou zastarala. http://ronja.twibright.com, Modules, contrib/, shimi/ Je to ve Formice. Co v tom je nevim, ja to nenactu, Formicu nemam. Cl< From vojta at sinus.cz Thu Oct 2 22:01:31 2003 From: vojta at sinus.cz (=?iso-8859-2?q?Vojt=ECch=20Pithart?=) Date: Thu Oct 2 20:01:41 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Pomale stahovani Slow download In-Reply-To: <20031002131353.A371@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200310012136.56469.vojta@sinus.cz> <20031002131353.A371@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200310022101.31638.vojta@sinus.cz> > Ta linka ma packetloss. Je asi spatne zamerena. Nejdriv je potreba > packetloss odstranit protoze TCP ma s packetlossem velkem problemy. Toho jsem se obaval. Spoj je ale jiz v provozu a nechci to znovu rozebirat a tahat do laboratore. Pomalost je sice vada na krase, ale neni to tak fatalni. Jen bych se jeste zaptal, zda je dostatecnym testem na fullduplexnost sitovky toto: propojim vystup a vstup AUI rozhrani ronje. Pak pustim ping jakoby na protikonec. V tcpdumpu vidim kazdy svuj arp-request zdvojene, ten druhy o nejake mikrosekundy pozdeji. Je to tak spravne? Vojta Lhota From clock at twibright.com Fri Oct 3 00:18:28 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Oct 2 22:18:34 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Pomale stahovani Slow download In-Reply-To: <200310022101.31638.vojta@sinus.cz>; from vojta@sinus.cz on Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:01:31PM +0200 References: <200310012136.56469.vojta@sinus.cz> <20031002131353.A371@beton.cybernet.src> <200310022101.31638.vojta@sinus.cz> Message-ID: <20031002231828.A1415@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:01:31PM +0200, Vojt?ch Pithart wrote: > > Ta linka ma packetloss. Je asi spatne zamerena. Nejdriv je potreba > > packetloss odstranit protoze TCP ma s packetlossem velkem problemy. > Toho jsem se obaval. Spoj je ale jiz v provozu a nechci to znovu rozebirat a > tahat do laboratore. Pomalost je sice vada na krase, ale neni to tak fatalni. > > Jen bych se jeste zaptal, zda je dostatecnym testem na fullduplexnost sitovky > toto: propojim vystup a vstup AUI rozhrani ronje. Pak pustim ping jakoby na > protikonec. V tcpdumpu vidim kazdy svuj arp-request zdvojene, ten druhy o > nejake mikrosekundy pozdeji. Je to tak spravne? To nevim jestli je dostatecny test na fullduplex. Jak otestovat fullduplexnost na jedne sitovce nevim. Na dvou se to udela ze se propoji dve samotne AUI a da se tam stahovat v obou smerech FTP soucasne soubor o velikosti 80MB a musi obe ject 1212kB/s. Cl< > > Vojta Lhota > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Fri Oct 3 09:09:53 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Oct 3 13:33:32 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Pomale stahovani Slow download In-Reply-To: <200310022101.31638.vojta@sinus.cz> References: <200310012136.56469.vojta@sinus.cz> <20031002131353.A371@beton.cybernet.src> <200310022101.31638.vojta@sinus.cz> Message-ID: <592428686.20031003080953@volny.cz> >> Ta linka ma packetloss. Je asi spatne zamerena. Nejdriv je potreba >> packetloss odstranit protoze TCP ma s packetlossem velkem problemy. VP> Toho jsem se obaval. VP> Spoj je ale jiz v provozu a nechci to znovu rozebirat a VP> tahat do laboratore. Linka se IMHO nenastavuje v laboratori, ale na strese, nebo kde je umistena. :-) OndraT VP> Pomalost je sice vada na krase, ale neni to tak fatalni. VP> Jen bych se jeste zaptal, zda je dostatecnym testem na fullduplexnost sitovky VP> toto: propojim vystup a vstup AUI rozhrani ronje. Pak pustim ping jakoby na VP> protikonec. V tcpdumpu vidim kazdy svuj arp-request zdvojene, ten druhy o VP> nejake mikrosekundy pozdeji. Je to tak spravne? VP> Vojta Lhota VP> _______________________________________________ VP> Ronja mailing list VP> Ronja@lists.pointless.net VP> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Sun Oct 5 19:02:53 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Mon Oct 6 07:28:37 2003 Subject: [Ronja] soubor Message-ID: <3026423806.20031005180253@volny.cz> Ahoj, chci se zeptat, proc v souboru augmented.php je toto: 1k8................ ^^^^^^ ???? A hlavne si myslim, ze je to nejaky preklep, protoze ty odpory jsou tam zmineny 2x. -- S pozdravem, OndraT boza2@volny.cz From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 6 12:26:10 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Oct 6 10:26:21 2003 Subject: [Ronja] soubor In-Reply-To: <3026423806.20031005180253@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 06:02:53PM +0200 References: <3026423806.20031005180253@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031006112610.B300@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 06:02:53PM +0200, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj, > chci se zeptat, proc v souboru augmented.php > je toto: > 1k8................ > ^^^^^^ ???? Nenasel jsem to tam > > A hlavne si myslim, ze je to nejaky preklep, protoze ty odpory jsou > tam zmineny 2x. Diky za upozorneni, ten soubor augmented.php je cely blbe. Tech seznamu je tam vzdy nekolik za sebou. Mel jsem ve Makefile misto ">" ">>". Jeste navic jsem zapomnel do skriptu na generovani seznamu soucastek tranzistor ktery jsem tam pouzil takze to vynechavalo ten BF908 ze seznamu. Omlouvam se. Ted uz by to melo byt OK. Cl< > > -- > S pozdravem, > OndraT > boza2@volny.cz > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 7 09:19:28 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Oct 7 07:19:32 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja In-Reply-To: <000801c38bfc$fc27ebc0$1300000a@dns>; from student@vosaspsekrizik.cz on Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 01:28:36PM +0200 References: <000801c38bfc$fc27ebc0$1300000a@dns> Message-ID: <20031007081928.A228@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 01:28:36PM +0200, student SPSE wrote: > Pros?m V?s mohl byste mi poskytnout pl?nky ti?t?ku pro ronju a je?t? jsem se > cht?l zeptat lze Ronju p?ipojit i p?es n?co jin?ho ne? AUI?? Odepi?te pros?m > na jahodaj@volny.cz Ronja zatim tistaky nema. Tistaky tretich osob jsou v http://ronja.twibright.com, Modules, contrib/, ale o jejich funkcnosti toho s jistotou moc nevim. TP interface Ronja projekt zatim take nema, je to stejne jako s tistakama. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Oct 7 09:22:05 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Oct 7 07:22:09 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: ronja In-Reply-To: <000b01c38c3b$b52a1920$8836fea9@celeron366>; from jahodaj@volny.cz on Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 08:57:35PM +0200 References: <000b01c38c3b$b52a1920$8836fea9@celeron366> Message-ID: <20031007082205.B228@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 08:57:35PM +0200, Jaroslav Jahoda wrote: > Dobr? den pros?m V?s je mo?nost provozu ronji pod Okny?? Pozadavky na software jsou uvedeny v http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/modules.php "Software Requirements" Cl< From jdalton at swiftdsl.com.au Tue Oct 7 19:08:30 2003 From: jdalton at swiftdsl.com.au (John Dalton) Date: Tue Oct 7 09:18:37 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Blocking capacitors In-Reply-To: <20030829105429.A598@beton.cybernet.src>; from clock@twibright.com on Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 18:54:29 +1000 References: <20030829105429.A598@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031007080830.GG6291@bing> This reply is a month late due to my being on holidays, but hopefully it is still useful. Blocking or bypassing? I've assumed bypassing but the following will also apply to parallel combinations of capacitors used for DC blocking. Only a difference in terminology. Make sure you minimise the inductance between the two capacitors, otherwise you can end up with a resonant circuit with high impedance (ie. no bypassing effect!) instead of the desired low impedance. I've got a feeling that the more widely spaced capacitor values may help in minimising the chances of such a resonance causing problems, but I may have this completely back the front, as I have not done the maths to check it! Hewlett Packard once published a great set of notes called "Designing for Electromagnetic Compatibility". Here's what they have to say on parallel bypass capacitors: Parallel Bypass Capacitors Can Give Unwanted Pole High capacitance minimizes voltage fluctuations in the power-supply system. However, the self-resonant frequency of a large capacitor might be too low for the component to adequately bypass the harmonics of the current pulses from the digital circuitry. Some designs attempt to circumvent this trade-off by placing two capacitors in parallel -- one with a large value to filter low-frequency spectral components and one with a smaller value (and higher Self Resonant Frequency) to provide a lower impedance at the higher harmonics of the signal. This approach must be used with care. Because the capacitors have different self resonant frequencies, there are two zeros in the impedance function. Unfortunately, a pole must reside between the two zeros. If a harmonic of the signaling frequency happens to coincide with this parallel resonance, it will not be bypassed at all. In practice, the ESR (Equivalent Series Resistance) of the capacitors moderates this effect somewhat. However, a designer planning to connect two bypass capacitors of different values should carefully model the components to maintain an adequately low impedance across the entire frequency range of interest. The text is accompanied by a diagram something like this (use fixed width font to see ASCII art): |Z| | | | | | | | \ /\ _____ | \ / \ _/ | \ / \ / | \ / \ / | | | +-------------------------------------------- w ^ ^ ^ w2 w3 w1 where: w2 = 1/sqrt(L2.C2) {ie. the self resonant frequency of C2} w1 = 1/sqrt(L1.C1) {ie. the self resonant frequency of C1} w3 = 1/sqrt( (L1+L2).(C1.C2/(C1+C2)) ) {w1; from jdalton@swiftdsl.com.au on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 06:08:30PM +1000 References: <20030829105429.A598@beton.cybernet.src> <20031007080830.GG6291@bing> Message-ID: <20031007115041.A924@beton.cybernet.src> Thanks John, this is very interesting and useful post :) Don't you have some kind of laboratory where you could measure these propertes of bypass capacitor couples? Cl< On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 06:08:30PM +1000, John Dalton wrote: > This reply is a month late due to my > being on holidays, but hopefully it is > still useful. > > Blocking or bypassing? I've assumed bypassing > but the following will also apply to parallel > combinations of capacitors used for DC blocking. > Only a difference in terminology. > > Make sure you minimise the inductance between > the two capacitors, otherwise you can end up with > a resonant circuit with high impedance (ie. no > [...] From jdalton at swiftdsl.com.au Wed Oct 8 12:18:38 2003 From: jdalton at swiftdsl.com.au (John Dalton) Date: Wed Oct 8 02:27:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Blocking capacitors In-Reply-To: <20031007115041.A924@beton.cybernet.src>; from clock@twibright.com on Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 19:50:41 +1000 References: <20030829105429.A598@beton.cybernet.src> <20031007080830.GG6291@bing> <20031007115041.A924@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031008011838.GQ6291@bing> > Don't you have some kind of laboratory where you could measure > these propertes of bypass capacitor couples? Currently I do not have access. This may change in the future. If I get any measurements, I will send them to the list. John From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 8 22:22:52 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Oct 8 20:23:02 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 74ACT04 Message-ID: <20031008212252.D14007@beton.cybernet.src> Don't you please know where to buy 74ACT04 in Prague? Cl< From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Thu Oct 9 00:09:28 2003 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (Patrick Deelman) Date: Wed Oct 8 21:59:38 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 74ACT04 In-Reply-To: <20031008212252.D14007@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031008212252.D14007@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <3F847D08.9070808@hccnet.nl> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >Don't you please know where to buy >74ACT04 in Prague? > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > Do you need the specific 74act04 or equal ? And how many do you need ? Maybe i can snailmail you a few. They aren't that expensive here. Don't know the transporting costs and import/export regulations, but if that isn't a big issue i can sure sponsor you a few :) Patrick. From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Thu Oct 9 00:23:23 2003 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (Patrick Deelman) Date: Wed Oct 8 22:13:26 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 74ACT04 In-Reply-To: <3F847D08.9070808@hccnet.nl> References: <20031008212252.D14007@beton.cybernet.src> <3F847D08.9070808@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <3F84804B.1080206@hccnet.nl> Patrick Deelman wrote: > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > >> Don't you please know where to buy >> 74ACT04 in Prague? >> >> Cl< >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> > Do you need the specific 74act04 or equal ? > And how many do you need ? Maybe i can snailmail you a few. They > aren't that expensive here. Don't know the transporting costs and > import/export regulations, but if that isn't a big issue i can sure > sponsor you a few :) > > Patrick. Ow and which of the 74act04's do you need ? fairchilds website lists a couple of types: mtc, mtcx (which are tssop) pc (which is dil) sc, scx (which are soic) that is, if you want that specific 74act04 and not an equal, which are perhaps easier to get :) Patrick From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 9 10:27:59 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Oct 9 08:28:05 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 74ACT04 In-Reply-To: <3F847D08.9070808@hccnet.nl>; from p.deelman@hccnet.nl on Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:09:28PM +0200 References: <20031008212252.D14007@beton.cybernet.src> <3F847D08.9070808@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <20031009092759.B1446@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:09:28PM +0200, Patrick Deelman wrote: > Karel Kulhav? wrote: > > >Don't you please know where to buy > >74ACT04 in Prague? > > > >Cl< > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ronja mailing list > >Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > Do you need the specific 74act04 or equal ? In fact 74AC04 would be even better. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 13 22:36:45 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Oct 14 10:14:44 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja In-Reply-To: <00b201c391bf$486d2780$8836fea9@celeron366>; from jahodaj@volny.cz on Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 09:17:01PM +0200 References: <000b01c38c3b$b52a1920$8836fea9@celeron366> <20031007082205.B228@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c38d03$434f61c0$8836fea9@celeron366> <20031007214102.A19417@beton.cybernet.src> <00b201c391bf$486d2780$8836fea9@celeron366> Message-ID: <20031013213645.B200@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 09:17:01PM +0200, Jaroslav Jahoda wrote: > Cus prosimte mohl bys mi napsat v jakym programu mam otevrit soubory .sch a > .brd dneska sem to hledal na netu asi 3 hodiny a nic :-( jo a este sem se Ktery soubory konkretne? > chtel zeptat jestli de otestovat rx tx a interface samostatn? myslim tim To nevim. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 13 22:05:03 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Oct 14 10:14:44 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: HPWT-BD00-F4000 In-Reply-To: <200310122230.AA56492346@mos3.vcs.com.br>; from alexandre@mos3.vcs.com.br on Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 10:30:11PM -0300 References: <200310122230.AA56492346@mos3.vcs.com.br> Message-ID: <20031013210503.A227@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 10:30:11PM -0300, Cristina Hoffmann - Alexandre wrote: > > Hi Clock, > > Please, help me. > Only answer to me: Where I can buy the HPWT-BD00-F4000 led or other to Ronja > Metropolis? Im from Brazil and here dont have it. In the Farnell UK site and > Farnell Brazil also. Do u know where I can to buy it? This is the last > component that I need to built my Ronja. Look at www.lumileds.com they are the manufacturer they also have information about their distributors on their web page. Cl< > > Thanks, > Alexandre Hoffmann Ventura > 12/10/2003 > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Oct 14 19:54:26 2003 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Oct 14 17:55:42 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja In-Reply-To: <20031013213645.B200@beton.cybernet.src> References: <00b201c391bf$486d2780$8836fea9@celeron366>; from jahodaj@volny.cz on Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 09:17:01PM +0200 Message-ID: <3F8C4662.2535.46C2F@localhost> On 13 Oct 2003 at 21:36, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 09:17:01PM +0200, Jaroslav Jahoda wrote: > > Cus prosimte mohl bys mi napsat v jakym programu mam otevrit soubory .sch a > > .brd dneska sem to hledal na netu asi 3 hodiny a nic :-( jo a este sem se > > Ktery soubory konkretne? Pravdepodobne to jsou soubory Eagle. Adresa je www.cadsoft.de. Existuje i verze pro linux, coz by mohlo zajimat Clocka. Volne siritelna verze je omezena pouze velikosti desky 100*120mm a je vyhradne pro nekomercni pouziti. From stransky at clt.cz Wed Oct 15 14:48:02 2003 From: stransky at clt.cz (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Str=E1nsk=FD_Karel?=) Date: Wed Oct 15 12:46:55 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 3C900-combo na prodej References: <20031008212252.D14007@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <012601c39312$307e3de0$6400a8c0@karel> Mam tu na prodej 6 kousku 3COM 3c900 (EtherLink XL PCI). Cena dohodou. Jednou jsem to uz nabizel ale nejak se mi "podarilo" odmazat odpovedi. K From jan.martinu at post.cz Wed Oct 15 16:20:01 2003 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?=) Date: Wed Oct 15 18:19:31 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 3C900-combo na prodej In-Reply-To: <012601c39312$307e3de0$6400a8c0@karel> References: <20031008212252.D14007@beton.cybernet.src> <012601c39312$307e3de0$6400a8c0@karel> Message-ID: <200310151520.01134.jan.martinu@post.cz> Za kolik kus? Dne st 15. ??jna 2003 13:48 Str?nsk? Karel napsal(a): > Mam tu na prodej 6 kousku 3COM 3c900 (EtherLink XL PCI). > Cena dohodou. > Jednou jsem to uz nabizel ale nejak se mi "podarilo" odmazat odpovedi. > K > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 15 22:27:32 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Oct 15 20:27:37 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:57:47AM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20031015212732.B224@beton.cybernet.src> > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:26:30 +0200 > From: Jaroslav Flegel > Subject: Ronja > > Pros?m, > pro? jste pou?il u Ronji rozhran? AUI? Z m?ho pohledu - pokud by se Protoze AUI ma jednodussi protokol nez TP. > pou?ilo rozhran? UTP, kter? je mnohem b??n?j??, ve full duplexu, p?jdou > sign?ly RX a TX rozd?n?mi vodi?i a bylo by je mo?no vyu??t pro Ronj? > p?enos. > A je?t? jeden dotaz - co se stane, kdy? budou ob? karty v halfduplexn?m > re?imu - dojde ke zpo?d?n? sign?lu a za??zen? se rozkmit?? Nerozkmita. Jen to bude prenaset pomalejc. Cl< > > D?kuji > > J. Flegel From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Thu Oct 16 00:18:11 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Oct 15 22:18:14 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3F8D35BD.552E@space.cz>; from flegel@space.cz on Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 01:55:41PM +0200 References: <20031015075745.GA22275@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <3F8D35BD.552E@space.cz> Message-ID: <20031015231811.D16931@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 01:55:41PM +0200, Jaroslav Flegel wrote: > M?m c?lem je co nejjednodu??? za??zen? na p?enos p?es ulici - na cca > 20m. To uz je pomalu lepsi kabel (nejlepe opticky) -- 100Mbps nebo 1000Mbps full duplex :) > A Ronja by protokol TP "neskousla"? Skousla ale je to podstatne slozitejsi ta elektronika pak. > Kdyby to ?lo, bylo by zaj?mav? p?ipojit Ronju ke switchi (m? malou > spot?ebu, nemus? se konfigurovat, m??e b?t na p?d? a m??e se na n?j > p?ipojit v?ce u?ivatel? sou?asn?). Mysl?te, ?e by to mohlo b?t re?ln?? Nevim, uvidi se, az dodelam sniffer, vrhnu se na TP interface na tistacich. Cl< > > D?kuji > > J. Flegel > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > > > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:26:30 +0200 > > > From: Jaroslav Flegel > > > Subject: Ronja > > > > > > Pros?m, > > > pro? jste pou?il u Ronji rozhran? AUI? Z m?ho pohledu - pokud by se > > > > Protoze AUI ma jednodussi protokol nez TP. > > > > > pou?ilo rozhran? UTP, kter? je mnohem b??n?j??, ve full duplexu, p?jdou > > > sign?ly RX a TX rozd?n?mi vodi?i a bylo by je mo?no vyu??t pro Ronj? > > > p?enos. > > > A je?t? jeden dotaz - co se stane, kdy? budou ob? karty v halfduplexn?m > > > re?imu - dojde ke zpo?d?n? sign?lu a za??zen? se rozkmit?? > > > > Nerozkmita. Jen to bude prenaset pomalejc. > > > > Cl< > > > > > > D?kuji > > > > > > J. Flegel From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Oct 16 09:40:11 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigi) Date: Thu Oct 16 07:40:47 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Ronja References: Message-ID: <009c01c393b0$59060600$1ab00b0a@connect.atwork.ent> Hi, Folks ! I?m trying to build a TP Ronja now. Can someone tell me, if this circuit with the faked Link-Alive-Pulses really works ? What do i need on the two ends ? 2x 10MBit full, or is it also possible to connect e.g. 1x 10/100 Switch at one end, and a 10MBit Hub at the other end ? Thx, Sigi From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Thu Oct 16 22:25:04 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu Oct 16 20:25:45 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja In-Reply-To: <000601c39410$049706e0$8836fea9@celeron366>; from jahodaj@volny.cz on Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 08:03:50PM +0200 References: <002401c39280$8cccb140$8836fea9@celeron366> <20031016172102.E3227@beton.cybernet.src> <000601c39410$049706e0$8836fea9@celeron366> Message-ID: <20031016212504.B4685@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 08:03:50PM +0200, Jaroslav Jahoda wrote: > Primo od vas z webu http://ronja.twibright.com/contrib/drabek/drabek.zip a > tak sem se chtel zeptat vas protoze sem se ptel snad vsude a nikde ten > program nenuzu sehnat ja vlastne ani nevim jakej program takze sem se chtel Tak to nevim v cem to je :( Ja jsem se na to nedival, i kdyz bych tak rad ucinili. To je nevyhoda tech komercnich navrhovych systemu - chce se na to podivat pak nekdo jiny a nema zrovna presne ten samy komercni system ktery mel autor a tak ma smulu. Cl< > zeptat v cem to otvirate vy. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karel Kulhav? > To: Jaroslav Jahoda > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: Ronja > > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 08:24:33PM +0200, Jaroslav Jahoda wrote: > > > Tak tady sou ty soubory moch bys mi je prosimte poslat v nejakym jinym > > > formatu treba .pdf .jpg nebo mi alespon rict v cem to de otevrit dekuju > moc . > > > > Kde jsi ty soubory vzal? Stahnul jsi je nekde z webu? > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From highlander_____ at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 06:56:09 2003 From: highlander_____ at hotmail.com (highlander) Date: Fri Oct 17 04:54:12 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja References: <002401c39280$8cccb140$8836fea9@celeron366><20031016172102.E3227@beton.cybernet.src><000601c39410$049706e0$8836fea9@celeron366> <20031016212504.B4685@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Jde to otevrit v Eagle 3.55r3. Je to fakt hezk? pr?ce,.... Zaslou?? to pochvalu,... Jen n?kolik dotaz?,... Ten laserov? modul v tom laserov?m vys?la?i je ?ist? jen laserov? dioda ? Nebo se na ten PCB p?ip?j? n?jak? modul co m? v sob? regulaci ? Pokud je to laserov? dioda, jak dlouho to vydr?? v chodu bez regulace teploty ? Highlander. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Jaroslav Jahoda" Cc: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 08:03:50PM +0200, Jaroslav Jahoda wrote: > Primo od vas z webu http://ronja.twibright.com/contrib/drabek/drabek.zip a > tak sem se chtel zeptat vas protoze sem se ptel snad vsude a nikde ten > program nenuzu sehnat ja vlastne ani nevim jakej program takze sem se chtel Tak to nevim v cem to je :( Ja jsem se na to nedival, i kdyz bych tak rad ucinili. To je nevyhoda tech komercnich navrhovych systemu - chce se na to podivat pak nekdo jiny a nema zrovna presne ten samy komercni system ktery mel autor a tak ma smulu. Cl< > zeptat v cem to otvirate vy. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karel Kulhav? > To: Jaroslav Jahoda > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: Ronja > > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 08:24:33PM +0200, Jaroslav Jahoda wrote: > > > Tak tady sou ty soubory moch bys mi je prosimte poslat v nejakym jinym > > > formatu treba .pdf .jpg nebo mi alespon rict v cem to de otevrit dekuju > moc . > > > > Kde jsi ty soubory vzal? Stahnul jsi je nekde z webu? > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Oct 19 18:50:17 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Oct 19 16:50:25 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja In-Reply-To: <20031017161301Z149064-25594+8360@mail.centrum.cz>; from cbedison@centrum.cz on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 06:12:51PM +0200 References: <20031017161301Z149064-25594+8360@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20031019175017.A1081@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 06:12:51PM +0200, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > Zdravim, > mel bych nekolik dotazu ohledne provedeni mechanicke casti Ronjy 10MB > Metropolis: > > -jak dlouhe a v jake casti trubky maji byt vyfrezovany drazky na posuv > (nastavovani) RX a TX ? Nejak jsem nepochopil (spis jsem nebyl > schopen prelozit si to do cestiny, anglictina mi zatim moc nejde) > nasledujici text: > > >Wrap the paper around and make a circumference mark where the edge > >is. Then put the paper on desk and divide the circumference by 400 > >using a calculator and make marks at 25, 75, 125, 175, 225, 275, > >325, and 375 times this distance. Mark them 25grad, 75grad, 125grad, > >175grad, 225grad, 275grad, 325grad, and 375grad. Wrap the paper > >around the pipe again, the seam of the paper on the seam of the > >tube, and copy the marks from the paper onto the tube as necessary Obalis papir kolem trubky a udelas znacku kde je kraj papiru abys ziskal obvod trubky. Pak to rozdelis na 400 dilu a udelas znacky podle tech cisel (jsou to uhly v gradech). Pak ten papir omotas kolem trubky a odmeris ty uhly zase od toho svu na trubce. > > -jak je zajisteno aby do Ronjy temi drazkami neteklo ? Musi se to > zalit okolo krajnich krytu (slide covers) silikonem ? Jo. > > Diky moc za odpoved, > Edison Radotin Neni zac, Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Oct 19 19:12:34 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:12:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Zkonvertovane schema a plos. spoje In-Reply-To: <3F8FEC3E.2020005@post.cz>; from jo_jo@post.cz on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 03:18:54PM +0200 References: <3F8FEC3E.2020005@post.cz> Message-ID: <20031019181234.A9658@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 03:18:54PM +0200, jo_jo wrote: > Kdyby te to zajimalo, prevedl jsem dokumentaci ( schemata, plos. spoje, > seznam soucastek ) od "drabek" z formatu EAGLE do png a txt. Diky dal jsem to na web do Modules -> contrib/ -> drabek -> png Cl< > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Oct 19 21:54:52 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Oct 19 19:54:55 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Problems with RX (p102 and p104 using BF960) In-Reply-To: <20031018004726.25722.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com>; from bnlopes@yahoo.com.br on Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 09:47:26PM -0300 References: <20031018004726.25722.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031019205452.A10243@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 09:47:26PM -0300, Brunno Nascimento Lopes wrote: > High there, Clock > > > Here is Brunno who writes.. I am from Brazil and I?ve been working on a > Ronja. I?ve already got the 2 TX circuits, with the right voltage on all > points. The interface I?ve used it the Highlander?s TP, but I?ve not > tested yet. Now comes the problem. My RX circuit I?ve set on PCB, and > it?s quite fine. All points were measuered and they were ok, except for > points p104 and p106 (G2 and D of thetransistor BF960). With the > original values of R102 (82K) and R104 (180K), I?ve only got 0,13V on The transistor is broken-through. You have to replace it with an undamaged one. > P102 (Gate2). With this configuration, I?ve got 12V on P104. I tried to > change the values of the resistors 102 and 104, and any value of R104 > over 10 K, I only get milivolts on P102. With lower values (around > 3,5Kohm) I?ve got 2,5 volts, and that?s all I?ve got! For R106, I am > using the 560 Ohm, and changing this value won?t change the G2 > polarization tension. So, what could the problem be? Could I?ve burned my > BF960? Other than that, the project is going fine, and I hope next week > I?ll do the first tests, if I get to fix this problem with the RX > circuit. > > Sorry for the messy e-mail, and for my poor english. > > Brunno Nascimento Lopes - Instituto Nacional de Telecomunica??es - BRASIL > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail - o melhor webmail do Brasil. Saiba mais! > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 20 12:54:58 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Oct 20 10:55:04 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja In-Reply-To: <622fe8001c772f54c4db1a6a446ac7a8@www2.mail.post.cz>; from mnaga@post.cz on Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:56:13AM +0200 References: <33dbcfd3f5e1f79b0cfd6994b7c5e3b2@www1.mail.post.cz> <20031015231615.B16931@beton.cybernet.src> <4a9b3f7bf3b18253d51d34016698f0b4@www4.mail.post.cz> <20031016170756.A3227@beton.cybernet.src> <3ce1d37ac2389aa82d2f90b87cb4bfb7@www1.mail.post.cz> <20031019215212.A10450@beton.cybernet.src> <622fe8001c772f54c4db1a6a446ac7a8@www2.mail.post.cz> Message-ID: <20031020115458.B19077@beton.cybernet.src> > 1) Proc je C101 zrovna 47p? Protoze by mel byt spravne mensi jenze to by se tam pak ztracel na nem signal kvuli vstupni kapacite toho fetu. > 2) Proc je filtr s R107, R108 a R114 zrovna tak, jak je? > Pe.S. Tak to nevim - nejak jsem to tam dal tak nejak intuitivne. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 20 13:04:48 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Oct 20 11:04:50 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Patch in receiver Message-ID: <20031020120448.A19136@beton.cybernet.src> I have reconnected C110 in Ronja 10M Receiver according to a suggestion about better power line noise blocking. Thanks to Petr 'Mnaga' Seliger. Cl< From stransky at clt.cz Wed Oct 22 09:42:10 2003 From: stransky at clt.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Str=E1nsk=FD_Karel?=) Date: Wed Oct 22 07:42:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 3C900-combo na prodej References: <20031008212252.D14007@beton.cybernet.src><012601c39312$307e3de0$6400a8c0@karel> <200310151520.01134.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <008c01c39867$9e5ca130$6400a8c0@karel> Tak co mas stale zajem? mam tu jeste 5 kusu. Pokud jich vemes vic je mozna sleva. Karel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Martin?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 3C900-combo na prodej Za kolik kus? Dne st 15. ??jna 2003 13:48 Str?nsk? Karel napsal(a): > Mam tu na prodej 6 kousku 3COM 3c900 (EtherLink XL PCI). > Cena dohodou. > Jednou jsem to uz nabizel ale nejak se mi "podarilo" odmazat odpovedi. > K > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Oct 22 11:17:09 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Oct 22 09:17:24 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <3F962EE1.000001.18628@file1>; from wrex@email.cz on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:16:49AM +0200 References: <3F962EE1.000001.18628@file1> Message-ID: <20031022101709.A1044@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:16:49AM +0200, Radek Bo?ka wrote: > Zdrav?m > Velmi m? zaujal projekt RONJA a tak jej stav?m,m?m jedin? probl?m: Jak? maj? > b?t ty ?o?ky? V?m velikostn?,ale sp?? m? zaj?maj? dioptrie nebo jak? hodnoty > maj? m?t?Daj? se pou??t z norm?ln? lupy??d?ky za odpov?d. Maji byt z normalni lupy. Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Oct 22 11:41:16 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Oct 22 09:41:40 2003 Subject: [Ronja] mereni RSSI Message-ID: <200310221041.16809.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dobry den nemate nekdo poreseno mereni RSSI a jeho predavani do PC ke statistikam (mrtg)? At neobjevuji kolo. Diky S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From schum at seznam.cz Thu Oct 23 10:00:13 2003 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Thu Oct 23 08:00:27 2003 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20mereni=20RSSI?= In-Reply-To: <200310221041.16809.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <24471.76504-27430-969198914-1066892413@seznam.cz> nejjednodussi by asi bylo povesit na ten detektor VCO a po seriovce to tahnout ke zpracovani do PC, kdyby PC bylo od prijimace moc daleko tak to prevest na 485, podobny prenos jsem videl nedavno pri mereni teploty, kdy vystup z cidla byl uz rovnou promenny kmitocet asi 1-4 khz, bylo to tusim na HW serveru mirek ____________________________________________________________ MMS a? na rok zdarma! Oskar?v D?rkov? ko? nab?z? i MMSky. A? rok budete MMSkovat zdarma ? a nav?c po??dite i zv?hodn?n? mobil. http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=62734%26url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/services/whatsnew.php From clock at twibright.com Thu Oct 23 18:49:58 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Oct 23 16:50:25 2003 Subject: [Ronja] New automatic generation Message-ID: <20031023174958.A16151@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have written sophisticated makefiles so now all the .png's, partlists etc. are generated automatically and one can choose from more formats, resolutions and sizes than before. This should ease the process of building. Enjoy. Cl< From psergiu at home.ro Sat Oct 25 13:13:35 2003 From: psergiu at home.ro (Sergiu Partenie) Date: Sat Oct 25 10:11:08 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Cheap Laserpointer Ronja Lopipe ? Message-ID: <3F9A3EBF.8050803@home.ro> Hello all Reading the [ronja] archives i have found this a thread from Jan 2003 with the subject "want to use Ronja AUI-Interface with Laserpointer" http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/2003-January/000212.html Can someone please point me to some simple schematics with which i can build some cheap & simple 115kbps ronja lopipe like devices using laser pointers ? I absolutelly suck at electronics so i am dreaming at a very simple - 1 IC + 2 resistors style schematic - with which i can connect 2 computers a few hundred meters away from each other. Something like : - connect the Laserpointer to rs232 TX winth an resistor - connect a photo[resistor|diode] with some TTL inverter/amplifier to the RX. Or am i dreaming and this will absolutely require an MAX232 ? I have found the old ronja lopipe schematics in the photo archives but they look too complicated :) Thank you. From hollari1 at gmx.at Sat Oct 25 14:28:06 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigi) Date: Sat Oct 25 12:28:51 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Question for TP Interface References: Message-ID: <000b01c39aeb$154d10b0$1ab00b0a@connect.atwork.ent> Hi, Everybody ! I have found now 2 almost equal Schematics for the TP Interface. The only difference seems to be that in one there is a faking circuit for the Link Alive Pulses, in the other one not. Can someone tell me, if this is now required, or not ? Thanks in advance ! Sigi From alexandre at vcs.com.br Sat Oct 25 08:44:05 2003 From: alexandre at vcs.com.br (alexandre@vcs.com.br) Date: Sat Oct 25 19:15:46 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Cheap Laserpointer Ronja Lopipe ? References: <3F9A3EBF.8050803@home.ro> Message-ID: <000001c39b23$d87f7c20$1795c3c8@ale> Look this sites: Make this project: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/7156/laser.htm but with the laser pointer modified by Silvije: www.silvije.tk So this project (originally 9.6kb/s) will work at 115.2kb/s! Alexandre Hoffmann Ventura - Brazil 25/10/2003 alexandre@vcs.com.br ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sergiu Partenie" To: Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 7:13 AM Subject: [Ronja] Cheap Laserpointer Ronja Lopipe ? > Hello all > > Reading the [ronja] archives i have found this a thread from Jan 2003 > with the subject "want to use Ronja AUI-Interface with Laserpointer" > > http://lists.pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/2003-January/000212.html > > Can someone please point me to some simple schematics with which i can > build some cheap & simple 115kbps ronja lopipe like devices using laser > pointers ? I absolutelly suck at electronics so i am dreaming at a very > simple - 1 IC + 2 resistors style schematic - with which i can connect 2 > computers a few hundred meters away from each other. > > Something like : > - connect the Laserpointer to rs232 TX winth an resistor > - connect a photo[resistor|diode] with some TTL inverter/amplifier to > the RX. > > Or am i dreaming and this will absolutely require an MAX232 ? I have > found the old ronja lopipe schematics in the photo archives but they > look too complicated :) > > Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Sun Oct 26 19:16:12 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Oct 26 18:16:18 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mechanical drawings - DXF Message-ID: <20031026191612.A11529@beton.cybernet.src> I have enabled links to .DXF files (files for qcad). They should also work in Autocad but when I tried to import Autocad .dxf into qcad the plan was corrupted. If anyone wants to play with the srawings, he can. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Oct 26 20:49:32 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Oct 26 19:49:36 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: ronja In-Reply-To: <3F9C1C56.000001.26889@file1>; from wrex@email.cz on Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 08:11:18PM +0100 References: <3F9C1C56.000001.26889@file1> Message-ID: <20031026204932.A20122@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 08:11:18PM +0100, Radek Bo?ka wrote: > > Chtel bych se jeste zeptat jestli se d? sehnat nebo spis udelat nejaka > redukce z AUI na RJ45 nebo jestli tak jde udelat cela RONJA aby tam nemusel > byl pocitac a stacilo to pripojit na hub.Existuji na to plosnaky? Muzete mi > je poslat?nebo aspon odkaz na nejaky web.diky moc. Existujou normalne komercni redukce z AUI na TP (pod jmenem TP transceiver nebo TP MAU) ale ne z TP na AUI. Mozna nektery z tech co existujou dokazou v tom "obracenym" rezimu bezet ale o zadny nevim. Narazil nekdo na neco co by dokazalo takhle obracene bezet? Existujou nejaky TP interface ale jak jsou ktery funkcni a snadno zbastlitelny nevim. Az se k tomu dostanu, nejakej poradnej zkusim udelat. Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Oct 27 09:01:10 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (cipis) Date: Mon Oct 27 08:00:36 2003 Subject: Fw: [Ronja] Mechanical drawings - DXF Message-ID: <002501c39c60$7d964760$f601a8c0@reginet> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Mechanical drawings - DXF Co to je qcad? Posli pros?m nejak? odkazy, jestli mi vyjde cas, tak se na to mrknu. Kdysi jsem del?val v AutoCADu. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:16 PM Subject: [Ronja] Mechanical drawings - DXF > I have enabled links to .DXF files (files for qcad). They should also > work in Autocad but when I tried to import Autocad .dxf into qcad the > plan was corrupted. > > If anyone wants to play with the srawings, he can. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz Mon Oct 27 09:39:50 2003 From: kocek.kvetoslav at vestizol.cz (kocek.kvetoslav@vestizol.cz) Date: Mon Oct 27 08:38:45 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mechanical drawings - DXF Message-ID: <9978677AADF5CB46951CC9DD94F019EB05E8B6@vestex01.vest.corp> You can try program called dxfix. It's autodesk's tool for converting .dxf files. It is somewhere on internet. -- Kosac > From: Karel Kulhav? [mailto:clock@twibright.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:16 PM > To: Twibright Ronja > Subject: [Ronja] Mechanical drawings - DXF > > > I have enabled links to .DXF files (files for qcad). They > should also work in Autocad but when I tried to import > Autocad .dxf into qcad the plan was corrupted. > > If anyone wants to play with the srawings, he can. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 27 11:05:43 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Oct 27 10:05:56 2003 Subject: Fw: [Ronja] Mechanical drawings - DXF In-Reply-To: <002501c39c60$7d964760$f601a8c0@reginet>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 09:01:10AM +0100 References: <002501c39c60$7d964760$f601a8c0@reginet> Message-ID: <20031027110543.B16838@beton.cybernet.src> > Co to je qcad? > Posli pros?m nejak? odkazy, jestli mi vyjde cas, tak se na to mrknu. > Kdysi jsem del?val v AutoCADu. > http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html GPL 2D CAD Kreslil jsem v nem vsechny ty planky a jsem s nim dost spokojenej. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Oct 27 22:34:45 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Oct 27 21:35:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 3C900-combo na prodej In-Reply-To: <008c01c39867$9e5ca130$6400a8c0@karel>; from stransky@clt.cz on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:42:10AM +0200 References: <20031008212252.D14007@beton.cybernet.src><012601c39312$307e3de0$6400a8c0@karel> <200310151520.01134.jan.martinu@post.cz> <008c01c39867$9e5ca130$6400a8c0@karel> Message-ID: <20031027223445.A18397@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:42:10AM +0200, Str?nsk? Karel wrote: > Tak co mas stale zajem? mam tu jeste 5 kusu. Dal byste vsech 5 za 1000? Cl< > Pokud jich vemes vic je mozna sleva. > Karel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Martin?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 3C900-combo na prodej > > > Za kolik kus? > > > Dne st 15. ??jna 2003 13:48 Str?nsk? Karel napsal(a): > > Mam tu na prodej 6 kousku 3COM 3c900 (EtherLink XL PCI). > > Cena dohodou. > > Jednou jsem to uz nabizel ale nejak se mi "podarilo" odmazat odpovedi. > > K > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Oct 30 13:30:31 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (hollari1@gmx.at) Date: Thu Oct 30 12:30:49 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Progress of my Ronja Message-ID: <11451.1067517031@www9.gmx.net> You can now watch the progress in building my ronja at : http://wlan.vti.at/sigironja/ Sigi -- NEU F?R ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - f?r Fotos, Musik, Dateien... 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