From cazam at bathurstwireless.org Sat Nov 1 08:59:41 2003 From: cazam at bathurstwireless.org (cazam@bathurstwireless.org) Date: Sat Nov 1 13:59:44 2003 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) Message-ID: <1067695181.3fa3bc4dd4683@bathurstwireless.org> Hi I am Zac I live in Bathurst Australia I am currently building a Ronja link is there anyone else that has built one in Australia that could help me with equivilants for some of the parts From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 1 18:58:35 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 1 17:58:40 2003 Subject: [Ronja] plosne spoje ala hnizdo In-Reply-To: ; from Aldik@quick.cz on Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 10:12:29PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20031101185835.C209@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 10:12:29PM +0100, Ales Pavel wrote: > Dobry den, > jsem laik muze mi nekdo vysvetli vyhodu a nevyhodu plosnych spoju v Ronje a > klasickeho hnizda? Vyhoda plosneho spoje: jednoduse se to necha udelat a da to o neco min prace sletovat. Nevyhoda: Ronja nema zadne oficialni plosnaky a jak se presne chovaj ty ruzny co lidi zplodili (viz http://ronja.twibright.com -> Modules -> contrib/) presne nevim, takze nemuzu zadnou funkcnost garantovat. Ale tistaky chystam udelat tak snad se ten problem vyresi. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 1 21:49:05 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 1 20:49:12 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 10M Metropolis question In-Reply-To: <20031030151222.6ed20178.chris@starforge.co.uk>; from chris@starforge.co.uk on Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 03:12:22PM +0000 References: <20031030151222.6ed20178.chris@starforge.co.uk> Message-ID: <20031101214905.A13369@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 03:12:22PM +0000, Chris wrote: > Hi, > > I have been directed to your site by a friend who is investigating > setting up a network based in part on yout 10M Metropolis system. In your > FAQ I note that your devices do not have PCB instructions and "If you > nevertheless want to use one, do not expect the device to work unless you > are a prodigy." Would it be possible for you to expand on this? What There are no official PCB's. In the time I wrote this the only available was Karl Jan Skontorp's and it had huge problems with EM stability. > problems did you encounter with PCBs? If the main problem was the routing > and reproduction reliability, have you encountered the autorouter, layout > and board check/connection check capabilities of the Eagle schematic capture > and routing package (http://www.cadsoft.de/) and the PCB production services > provided by Olimex (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/)? These have allowed No, and don't intend, because this software is not open-source free software and thus is unsuitable for Ronja development. Cl< > > Chris > -- > =[ http://www.starforge.co.uk/ ]===[ Explorer2260 Lead Designer and Coder. ] > =[ Public key: ]===================[ http://www.starforge.co.uk/pubkey.txt ] > =[ Quid vis? ] > -- > "I don't have any solution but I certainly admire the problem." > -- Ashleigh Brilliant From hollari1 at gmx.at Mon Nov 3 09:14:11 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (hollari1@gmx.at) Date: Mon Nov 3 08:14:14 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface Working !! References: Message-ID: <21719.1067847251@www46.gmx.net> Hi to all !! I?ve now built one Ronja, and it works !! I don?t know, why my test works, but i will shortly discribe you, what i connected : I?ve used 1 10MBit-Hub, and connected the Uplink via a 1:1 Cable to the Ronja. On 2 other ports i connected 2 PCs. For some reason all the data between the 2 PCs go through the Ronja. (when i interrupt the light between RX and TX, the data flow stops !!!) It?s really unbeleaveable, how sensitive the reciever is; when RX and TX show in the same direction, the light reflected by my hand in approx. 1m distance is enough, to transmit data !!! I?ll now continue with the second Ronja, and try it over some distance !! And i will upload some fotos to : http://wlan.vti.at/sigironja/ Greetings from Austria, Sigi -- NEU F?R ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - f?r Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gru?, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More! +++ From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 01:30:04 2003 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Mon Nov 3 09:30:49 2003 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-1?q?ELD-700-524-3=2C_700_nm=2C_17_mW_=40_100_m?= =?iso-8859-1?q?A=2C_8=B0=2C_20ns_rise_time=2C5mm_epoxy?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031103093004.60514.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> www.roithner-laser.com have these leds. I think is an good alternative for HPWT leds. If someone try with this led plz post an mesage of his results... tks... led pdf can download from their site.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From jkl at jkl.darktech.org Tue Nov 4 17:34:30 2003 From: jkl at jkl.darktech.org (JKLamer) Date: Tue Nov 4 16:35:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface References: <000a01c3a23d$c449edf0$eac11b51@TOASTER><003001c3a24a$ae6d8ac0$8836fea9@celeron366> <002a01c3a2ad$e35a3e50$eac11b51@TOASTER> Message-ID: <003701c3a2f1$85ac8580$020110ac@jklhome1> V cechach si muzete objednat i jeden kus trafa integrovaneho do RJ45 konektoru. http://obchod.hw.cz/hw/obchod/content.php3?piddetail=900243#900243 Cena 250kc za kus vas asi donuti premyslet, ze rozpajet kartu neni zas az tak hrozna vec :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Toaster To: Twibright Ronja Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP Interface drabka neznam sorry :) ale kdy? budu objednavat nahodou ty traficka tak dam vedet musim to teda nejak poresit fakt me to moc nepotesilo :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jaroslav Jahoda To: Twibright Ronja Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP Interface cus ja sem se o to trochu zajimal a dospel sem k zaveru ze je lepsi vykuchat karty 1.mas rovnou i konektor 2 pokud bys chtel tp traficko koupit tak mas urcity minimalni odber (100-1000ks) a nekde sem zaslech ze 1 stoji 150 (mozna je to kec) ale pokud bys je kupoval dej mi pls vedet ja bych jich par vzal :-) ps: neznas drabka? je autorem tp interface ----- Original Message ----- From: Toaster To: Ronja@lists.pointless.net Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:07 PM Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface Nev?te n?kdo n?hodou jak? typ TP transform?toru je na TP interfaceu u Highlandera a modifikaci od Silvije? Nevim si s tim rady a kuchat star? karty fakt nechci :-/ pokud to v?te napi?te mi to pros?m a taky kde se d? sehnat d?ky p?edem _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Nov 5 17:26:43 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Nov 5 16:26:48 2003 Subject: [Ronja] New: Testing and data rates Message-ID: <20031105172643.A557@beton.cybernet.src> Hi all I have * added instructions how to measure packetloss correctly using ping -c * added instructions how to measure BER using ping -c * added comprehensive table of data rates one should expect from transfers through Ronja. See http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/installing.php#drc http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/installing.php http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/testing.php Cl< From ilicz at seznam.cz Thu Nov 6 11:43:50 2003 From: ilicz at seznam.cz (ILICZ) Date: Thu Nov 6 10:43:59 2003 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20TP=20Interface?= In-Reply-To: <003001c3a24a$ae6d8ac0$8836fea9@celeron366> Message-ID: <363594.870789-6460-1108167599-1068115428@seznam.cz> Hola lidickove! ;o) Zkuste se zeptat na ICQ #121122629 Cipisa. Mam dojem, ze nejaky ma. (ale bydli kousek od brna...) Hola ILICZ > cus ja sem se o to trochu zajimal a dospel sem k zaveru ze je lepsi vykuchat karty 1.mas rovnou i konektor 2 pokud bys chtel tp traficko koupit tak mas urcity minimalni odber (100-1000ks) a nekde sem zaslech ze 1 stoji 150 (mozna je to kec) ale pokud bys je kupoval dej mi pls vedet ja bych jich par vzal :-) -- "Close the Windows, shut the Gates..." (neznamy klasik) "T?i nejnebezpe?n?j?? lid?: 1. Program?tor, kter? dr?? v ruce p?je?ku. 2. Technik, kter? ud?lal zm?nu v programu. 3. U?ivatel, kter? dostal n?pad." David 'Ilicz' Klementa ICQ: #137287977 mobil: +420 721 811 539 web: http://www.sweb.cz/ilicz mail: ilicz@seznam.cz ____________________________________________________________ Nakup ojeteho vozu ... nonstop a v pohode na www.vyzkouseno.cz http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=46834%26url=http://www.vyzkouseno.cz From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 6 13:35:49 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 6 12:36:02 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface In-Reply-To: <363594.870789-6460-1108167599-1068115428@seznam.cz>; from ilicz@seznam.cz on Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 11:43:50AM +0100 References: <003001c3a24a$ae6d8ac0$8836fea9@celeron366> <363594.870789-6460-1108167599-1068115428@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20031106133549.B377@beton.cybernet.src> > "T?i nejnebezpe?n?j?? lid?: > 1. Program?tor, kter? dr?? v ruce p?je?ku. Hm, tak to jsem zrovna ja :) Vitejte v projektu Ronja ;] Cl< > 2. Technik, kter? ud?lal zm?nu v programu. > 3. U?ivatel, kter? dostal n?pad." > > > David 'Ilicz' Klementa > ICQ: #137287977 > mobil: +420 721 811 539 > web: http://www.sweb.cz/ilicz > mail: ilicz@seznam.cz From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Nov 6 13:40:47 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Nov 6 12:41:03 2003 Subject: [Ronja] "tupy" prijimac Message-ID: <200311061340.47931.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Zdravim postavil jsem dalsi Rx podle pozmeneho schematu a drobny problem. Prijimac se mi jevi jako malo citlivy. Uvodem podotku ze vsechny stejnosmerne hodnoty jsou v poradku ve stanovenych mezich. Bohuzel nemam k testovani zbytek modulu protoze to ma byt vymena za jedouci prijimac, ktery obcas vypadne. Takze co se deje: Na RSSi je porad nejake napeti, cca 2 - 15mV, hodne poklesne chytnu li se plechove krabicky. Dam li prst pred prijimaci diodu, napeti RSSI poklesne temer na nulu 0.2mV. (odtud se domnivam ze je nekde chyba, predchozi RX vzdy vyhodili RSSI na maximum, sahl li jsem na PIN diodu - indukce vysokofrekvencniho bordela za me ) To, ze je na RSSI napeti muze byt zmenou zapojeni, na puvodnim byl odpor cca 800ohmu na zem, (pokud si to dobre pamatuji), takze indukcim do privodnich dratu multimetru celkem spolehlive zamezoval. Coz zde neni, mate nekdo podobne zkusenosti? Ale co s tou malou citlivosti? Pokud byl nekde problem (fet, ne592) tak se to u me zatim vzdy projevilo stejnosmernymi zmenami okolo nich. Dekuji za namety. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Nov 6 13:52:40 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Nov 6 12:52:47 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface In-Reply-To: <20031106133549.B377@beton.cybernet.src> References: <003001c3a24a$ae6d8ac0$8836fea9@celeron366> <363594.870789-6460-1108167599-1068115428@seznam.cz> <20031106133549.B377@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311061352.40995.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 6. listopadu 2003 13:35 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > "T?i nejnebezpe?n?j?? lid?: > > 1. Program?tor, kter? dr?? v ruce p?je?ku. > > Hm, tak to jsem zrovna ja :) Vitejte v projektu Ronja ;] > > Cl< > > > 2. Technik, kter? ud?lal zm?nu v programu. > > 3. U?ivatel, kter? dostal n?pad." Ja patrim do kategorie 3 :-) Dekuji za privitani do Projektu Ronja :-) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From ilicz at seznam.cz Thu Nov 6 14:44:23 2003 From: ilicz at seznam.cz (ILICZ) Date: Thu Nov 6 13:44:36 2003 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20TP=20Interface?= In-Reply-To: <200311061352.40995.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <373326.911020-28538-1128480876-1068126263@seznam.cz> Nic si z toho nedelejte, ja prubezne prechazim mezi vsema trema kategoriema ;o) Hola ILICZ > Dne ?t 6. listopadu 2003 13:35 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > > "T?i nejnebezpe?n?j?? lid?: > > > 1. Program?tor, kter? dr?? v ruce p?je?ku. > > > > Hm, tak to jsem zrovna ja :) Vitejte v projektu Ronja ;] > > > > Cl< > > > > > 2. Technik, kter? ud?lal zm?nu v programu. > > > 3. U?ivatel, kter? dostal n?pad." > > Ja patrim do kategorie 3 :-) > > Dekuji za privitani do Projektu Ronja :-) > > S pozdravem > > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > -- "Close the Windows, shut the Gates..." (neznamy klasik) "T?i nejnebezpe?n?j?? lid?: 1. Program?tor, kter? dr?? v ruce p?je?ku. 2. Technik, kter? ud?lal zm?nu v programu. 3. U?ivatel, kter? dostal n?pad." David 'Ilicz' Klementa ICQ: #137287977 mobil: +420 721 811 539 web: http://www.sweb.cz/ilicz mail: ilicz@seznam.cz ____________________________________________________________ PC DEXX za 16.990 s DPH! Athlon XP 2200+, CDRW, 80G, 17" monitor. Posledn? levn? n?kup p?ed V?noci! http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=64957%26url=http://www.dexx.cz/frame_Narsil_16a.htm From hwsoft at penguin.cz Thu Nov 6 15:01:20 2003 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Thu Nov 6 14:04:43 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: dessto gpl documentation In-Reply-To: <20031106123734.GT23845@feniks.slp.pl> References: <20031106123734.GT23845@feniks.slp.pl> Message-ID: <20031106140120.GA4560@mail.ignum.cz> konrad rzentarzewski pise: > i just began reading all ronja-related archives over internet and i > found that your ronja-derived project will be somehow-documented in > autumn. > > i'd like to ask what is a progress of this project... > > i find that all ronja-related information over internet is being > spreaded on people websites in most cases with no or only little > documentation. i'd like to take a try and build a TP-driven laser link, > but i'm just lost between clock's howto and pleople contributions. Unfortunately, the DesSto project is not very well dokumented yet. On http://www.lbcfree.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61 is a forum (but only in czech), where are publicated all infos about it. I'm very busy all time, and Kosi hate the writimg od documentation. -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 6 15:14:10 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 6 14:14:19 2003 Subject: [Ronja] "tupy" prijimac In-Reply-To: <200311061340.47931.zapadlo@melzer.cz>; from zapadlo@melzer.cz on Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:40:47PM +0100 References: <200311061340.47931.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20031106151410.A667@beton.cybernet.src> > To, ze je na RSSI napeti muze byt zmenou zapojeni, na puvodnim byl odpor cca > 800ohmu na zem, (pokud si to dobre pamatuji), takze indukcim do privodnich > dratu multimetru celkem spolehlive zamezoval. > Coz zde neni, mate nekdo podobne zkusenosti? Omlouvam se, tohle mi nedoslo. Puvodne jsem RSSI zmenil protoze Mnaga nasel bug ze RSSI zatezovalo vystup NE592, generovalo to nejake rusive signaly a ty se propagovaly nejak nedokonalosti vnitrku NE592 na druhy vystup NE592 a rusily tam signal takze to melo nizsi dosah za tmy nez by to mit mohlo. Chtel jsem usetrit a tak jsem to udelal jen s jednim kondem a diodou bez ozkouseni a nenapadlo me ze takhle jednoduchy zapojeni muze mit bugu - ze se muze neco chytat na ty privodni draty k DC voltmetru zvenku (asi 50Hz ze site). Ted jsem tam pridal diodu a kond (podobne jako to puvodne navrhoval Mnaga) tak to prosim vyzkousejte a kdyz to pojede tak mi reknete, ja vydam nejake oficialni varovani v anglictine aby si na tuhle zvoranou verzi lidi dali pri stavbe pozor. Cl< From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Thu Nov 6 16:39:08 2003 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (fyfti) Date: Thu Nov 6 15:39:44 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface Message-ID: <000701c3a47c$1e59afc0$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> Hi, I've just made my TP for ronja, and there is one problem...it is not working correct. I can send sth about 15-20 pkt/s (packet size - max 1000b) using "ping", and 40 pkt/s (70 kB/s) with ftp or smb. RX and TX are working fine with AUI. I'm using tpmod1.1 sch from silvije. TpTraf. from old isa nic - FB2022. I checked DC on 7805 - 4,91 V Any suggestions ?? Maybe you can give me some measurement point values like in original AUI interface?? Tnx 4 any help. Pitr From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Thu Nov 6 16:58:21 2003 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Thu Nov 6 15:58:28 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface In-Reply-To: <000701c3a47c$1e59afc0$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> References: <000701c3a47c$1e59afc0$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: Did you build it in air-wire? Do you have good grounding for all ICs? Have you forced your NIC to full duplex? If you have then I dont know. I dont have measurement point values right now but I can do that over the weekend... ps. measure resistance of inputs/outputs of tp transformer, it should be few ohms, if it is not then change resistors R12 and R13 from 50 ohm to 100 ohms. Silvije On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, fyfti wrote: > Hi, > I've just made my TP for ronja, and there is one problem...it is not working > correct. > I can send sth about 15-20 pkt/s (packet size - max 1000b) using "ping", > and 40 pkt/s (70 kB/s) with ftp or smb. > > RX and TX are working fine with AUI. > I'm using tpmod1.1 sch from silvije. TpTraf. from old isa nic - FB2022. > I checked DC on 7805 - 4,91 V > > Any suggestions ?? > Maybe you can give me some measurement point values like in original > AUI interface?? > Tnx 4 any help. > Pitr > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Thu Nov 6 17:50:21 2003 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (fyfti) Date: Thu Nov 6 16:53:37 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface References: <000701c3a47c$1e59afc0$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <000001c3a486$6b829a00$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> > Did you build it in air-wire? Yes > Do you have good grounding for all ICs? I suppose - yes > Have you forced your NIC to full duplex? Yes (3c900), but when connected to HUB, it's working even better. > If you have then I dont know. That's what I'm afraid of > I dont have measurement point values right now but I can do that over the > weekend... I will be gratefull. Pitr From Aldik at quick.cz Thu Nov 6 18:59:44 2003 From: Aldik at quick.cz (Ales Pavel) Date: Thu Nov 6 17:59:56 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface In-Reply-To: <20031106133549.B377@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: _________________________________________ > > "T?i nejnebezpe?n?j?? lid?: > > 1. Program?tor, kter? dr?? v ruce p?je?ku. > > Hm, tak to jsem zrovna ja :) Vitejte v projektu Ronja ;] > > Cl< > > > 2. Technik, kter? ud?lal zm?nu v programu. > > 3. U?ivatel, kter? dostal n?pad." > > NAPODOBNE PRATELE:-) taky "1" Ales Pavel ICQ#: 44615538 Work Tel#: +420777992792 More ways to contact me: http://wwp.icq.com/44615538 _________________________________________ http://talpa.chytrak.cz From alexandre at vcs.com.br Fri Nov 7 05:43:24 2003 From: alexandre at vcs.com.br (alexandre@vcs.com.br) Date: Fri Nov 7 07:44:00 2003 Subject: [Ronja] HLMP Leds Message-ID: <001301c3a502$d3891580$2495c3c8@ale> Hi, Well, I cant find any HPWT led. So my question its: I can to use some HLMP led? Can to specific? Look in this table the HLMP leds specifications in Newark database: http://www.newark.com/product-details/text/CD121/29482.html I think that the HLMP-ED16-TW000 (Red, 630nm, 15degrees, 6200/24100mcd) or HLMP-ED31-SV000 (Red 630nm, 30degrees, 1650/6300 mcd) its the most apropriate to Ronja. Help me, What its the most apropriate HLMP (or any led that I can to buy in www.Newark.com or www.Farnell.com/uk ? Thanks, Alexandre Hoffmann Ventura 07/11/2003 alexandre@vcs.com.br ICQ: 30090722 From alexandre at vcs.com.br Fri Nov 7 05:52:59 2003 From: alexandre at vcs.com.br (alexandre@vcs.com.br) Date: Fri Nov 7 07:53:36 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Good LEDs Site Message-ID: <003001c3a504$2afecde0$2495c3c8@ale> Hey people, look this good site - about LEDs: Don Klipstein's LED Main Page http://members.misty.com/don/ledx.html Sorry, Alexandre Hoffmann Ventura 07/11/2003 alexandre@vcs.com.br ICQ: 30090722 From hollari1 at gmx.at Fri Nov 7 09:33:26 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Fri Nov 7 08:33:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Hi, Alexandre ! References: Message-ID: <16432.1068194006@www6.gmx.net> Hi, Alexandre ! I think, the LEDs you found should be ok. The only thing is, that you have to change the resistor between the output driver and the LED. (the original Ronja-LEDs run with 70mA, "normal" LEDs only with 20 !!!) Sigi -- NEU F?R ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - f?r Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gru?, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More! +++ From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Sat Nov 8 14:33:56 2003 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Sat Nov 8 13:34:07 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface In-Reply-To: <000001c3a486$6b829a00$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> References: <000701c3a47c$1e59afc0$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> <000001c3a486$6b829a00$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, fyfti wrote: > > Did you build it in air-wire? > Yes > > Do you have good grounding for all ICs? > I suppose - yes > > Have you forced your NIC to full duplex? > Yes (3c900), but when connected to HUB, it's working even better. Tell me one more thing, what kind of interface do you have on other ronja end? I made several tests and it seems that tpmod1.1 is not fully compatible with aui interface like i wrote by mistake, I apologize for that. So there is probably nothing wrong with your interface. If you have same tp interface on the other side it should work fine. I wanted to make it compatible with aui but when its aui on the other side it works only halfduplex. Sorry again. silvije From kaufi-online at gmx.net Sun Nov 9 20:03:44 2003 From: kaufi-online at gmx.net (Stefan Kaufmann) Date: Sun Nov 9 19:03:48 2003 Subject: [Ronja] How to obtain LumiLEDs in Germany. Message-ID: <03XD01VHCLKRN624ZO51WSHBSQYTRP.3fae8f90@FROHIKE> Hi there, the LumiLED, at least the HPWT-BD00-0000 sell for around 70 EURO-cents at Sander-Electronic in Berlin, Germany. Make sure to check their website [ http://www.sander-electronic.de/ ] if you have trouble finding an adaequate LED and don't mind the relatively low performance compared to the selected LEDs (D/E/F4000). I just revisited the website, it seems as if most of the LEDs are not available in their online catalogue anymore (for whatever reason, I assume it's due to their website "redesign"), you might as well call Herr Sander to order them. regards, -stk From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Tue Nov 11 00:30:12 2003 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (fyfti) Date: Mon Nov 10 23:31:05 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface References: <000701c3a47c$1e59afc0$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl><000001c3a486$6b829a00$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <000f01c3a7e2$966736e0$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> At last I have my second TP Interface!! Unfortunatly it doasn't work even with TP on both sides. I can send max 20 packets/s...(tested with ping)... I remember that when I was powering it 4 first time, I forgot (by mistake) to connect sth on IC10 (VCC, I think), and I was able to send about 400 packets/s (maybe more)...but now I don't know what I really forgot to solder...heh ..so can You send me some measurement points..? ..or maybe there is a bug in sch ??? Pitr From hollari1 at gmx.at Tue Nov 11 13:33:45 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Tue Nov 11 12:33:54 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 7, Issue 11 References: Message-ID: <22286.1068554025@www62.gmx.net> I also have now the 2nd Ronja TP interface. But i think there must be some bad contact inside. I?ll check on the next weekend, what?s wrong. -- NEU F?R ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - f?r Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gru?, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More! +++ From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Tue Nov 11 14:15:42 2003 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Tue Nov 11 13:15:55 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 7, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <22286.1068554025@www62.gmx.net> References: <22286.1068554025@www62.gmx.net> Message-ID: Check for cold joints, and be sure to have good grounding, for each ic, also blocking capacitors have as much as you can close to vcc, gnd pins... check all contacts, it should work... good luck :) On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > I also have now the 2nd Ronja TP interface. > But i think there must be some bad contact inside. > I?ll check on the next weekend, what?s wrong. > > -- > NEU F?R ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - f?r Fotos, Musik, Dateien... > Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gru?, GMX FotoService > > Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net > > +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More! +++ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 11 16:07:11 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:07:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: chyba v dokumentaci In-Reply-To: <001201c3a860$8bf609b0$2e01a8c0@nautilus>; from dan@mis-net.cz on Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 03:31:49PM +0100 References: <20031110184459.A846@beton.cybernet.src> <001201c3a860$8bf609b0$2e01a8c0@nautilus> Message-ID: <20031111160711.A867@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 03:31:49PM +0100, Dan wrote: > Zdrav?m, > > pr?ve jsem d?val dohromady seznam souc?stek na Ronju, co m?m a co mi chyb? a > zjistil jsem, ze u Receiveru chyb? v seznamech 2x BAT46. Diky, opraveno. Cl< > > Mozn? jen blbe vid?m. > > S pozdravem Gnat > From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 11 19:41:28 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Nov 11 18:41:32 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: instalace gaf (gEDA gschem) In-Reply-To: <200311111539.10909.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 03:39:10PM +0100 References: <20031111070325.21439.qmail@deusystems.cz> <200311111539.10909.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031111194128.A1072@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 03:39:10PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Tak to byla nejaka buga! stahnul jsem znovu Makefile a geda setup a vypada to, > ze to neco dela. Treba se to povede. Rikal jsem ti ze to mas poslat na Ronja ML :) Ja jsem vzal gentoo, dal jsem emerge search geda emerge search gaf emerge search gschem A nenaslo to nic. Pak jsem dal emerge search pcb a naslo to PCB ale bylo to [ Masked ] Tak jsem to nainstaloval ze zdrojaku v poradi: libgdgeda (potom dat ldconfig!) libgeda (potom dat ldconfig!) geda-symbols geda-gnetlist geda-gschem a pak PCB. Chtelo to guile, dal jsem emerge guile. Pak to chtelo wish, tak jsem dal emerge tk. Pak jsem dal ./configure && make && make install a mel jsem tam gschem i PCB. V nainstalovanem PCB jsem nasledne dodelal tistak na Ronja 10M Trinitrack :) Cl< > Jakub > Dne ?t 11. listopadu 2003 08:03 jste napsal(a): > > This is a message from Clock at CZFree F?rum ( > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/index.php ). The CZFree F?rum owners cannot > > accept any responsibility for the contents of the email. > > > > To email Clock, you can use this online form: > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/member.php?action=mailform&userid=17 > > > > OR, by email: > > mailto:clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz > > > > This is the message: > > > > Ahoj. Ja mam s unixem hodne zkusenosti takze jsem to nainstaloval ze > > zdrojaku levou zadni a neprislo mi to vubec nijak slozity. Bohuzel se > > nedokazu vzit do role bezneho uzivatele ktery nema s unixem tolik > > zkusenosti a netusim co pro Tebe muze byt problem. > > > > Zkus to nainstalovat ze zdrojaku a napis na mailing list Ronji na cem jsi > > zakysl (staci strucne). Ja Ti poradim co se kam ma napsat, ty to zkusis, > > zase napises kde jsi zakysl etc. :) Takhle to bude mit vyhodu ze podle nasi > > konverzace na tom mailinglistu si ty tooly bude moct nainstalovat kazdej. > > > > Jestli nevis ani ktery zdrojaky se maj stahnout, odkud nebo jak pri > > kompilaci postupovat tak se o to nepokousej a napis to jako dotaz na > > mailing list. From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Nov 11 20:52:30 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Nov 11 20:02:08 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: instalace gaf (gEDA gschem) In-Reply-To: <20031111194128.A1072@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031111070325.21439.qmail@deusystems.cz> <200311111539.10909.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20031111194128.A1072@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311112052.30356.ladmanj@volny.cz> Zkusim to presne podle tveho postupu. Mimochodem kdyz je neco v gentoo masked tak se to nainstaluje pomoci ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge ... (napr.) Ale uz jsem si tim udelal na disku solidni bordel. Dne ?t 11. listopadu 2003 19:41 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 03:39:10PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Tak to byla nejaka buga! stahnul jsem znovu Makefile a geda setup a > > vypada to, ze to neco dela. Treba se to povede. > > Rikal jsem ti ze to mas poslat na Ronja ML :) > > Ja jsem vzal gentoo, dal jsem > emerge search geda > emerge search gaf > emerge search gschem > > A nenaslo to nic. > > Pak jsem dal > emerge search pcb > a naslo to PCB ale bylo to [ Masked ] > > Tak jsem to nainstaloval ze zdrojaku v poradi: > > libgdgeda (potom dat ldconfig!) > libgeda (potom dat ldconfig!) > geda-symbols > geda-gnetlist > geda-gschem > > a pak PCB. Chtelo to guile, dal jsem emerge guile. Pak to chtelo wish, > tak jsem dal emerge tk. Pak jsem dal ./configure && make && make install > a mel jsem tam gschem i PCB. > > V nainstalovanem PCB jsem nasledne dodelal tistak na Ronja 10M Trinitrack > > :) > > Cl< > > > Jakub > > > > Dne ?t 11. listopadu 2003 08:03 jste napsal(a): > > > This is a message from Clock at CZFree F?rum ( > > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/index.php ). The CZFree F?rum owners cannot > > > accept any responsibility for the contents of the email. > > > > > > To email Clock, you can use this online form: > > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/member.php?action=mailform&userid=17 > > > > > > OR, by email: > > > mailto:clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz > > > > > > This is the message: > > > > > > Ahoj. Ja mam s unixem hodne zkusenosti takze jsem to nainstaloval ze > > > zdrojaku levou zadni a neprislo mi to vubec nijak slozity. Bohuzel se > > > nedokazu vzit do role bezneho uzivatele ktery nema s unixem tolik > > > zkusenosti a netusim co pro Tebe muze byt problem. > > > > > > Zkus to nainstalovat ze zdrojaku a napis na mailing list Ronji na cem > > > jsi zakysl (staci strucne). Ja Ti poradim co se kam ma napsat, ty to > > > zkusis, zase napises kde jsi zakysl etc. :) Takhle to bude mit vyhodu > > > ze podle nasi konverzace na tom mailinglistu si ty tooly bude moct > > > nainstalovat kazdej. > > > > > > Jestli nevis ani ktery zdrojaky se maj stahnout, odkud nebo jak pri > > > kompilaci postupovat tak se o to nepokousej a napis to jako dotaz na > > > mailing list. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 11 22:22:22 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Nov 11 21:22:28 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: instalace gaf (gEDA gschem) In-Reply-To: <200311111427.43256.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:27:43PM +0100 References: <20031111070325.21439.qmail@deusystems.cz> <200311111427.43256.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031111222222.A1537@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:27:43PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Nevedel jsem jak to formulovat aby to bylo v mailing listu i pro ostatni. > Stahnul jsem vsechny tar.gz z download sources na www.geda.seul.org > spustil make xinstall podle n?vodu a to 1) zacalo stahovat odnekud nejaky > starsi verze baliku a pak grafickej wizard vyhnil na nejaky systemovy > promeny, ci co. > Nepochopil jsem to. > Zkousel jsem kompilovat jeden bal?k po druh?m ale efekt veskerej zadnej, jenom > gwave a gerbv chodi. > Jakub Zkompiluj postupne zdrojaky (.tgz): libgdgeda libgeda geda-symbols geda-gschem Rekni jestli se ti to povedlo (a mas funkcni program gschem), nebo jestli to na necem slitlo, a pokud ano, tak na cem. Cl< > > Dne ?t 11. listopadu 2003 08:03 jste napsal(a): > > This is a message from Clock at CZFree F?rum ( > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/index.php ). The CZFree F?rum owners cannot > > accept any responsibility for the contents of the email. > > > > To email Clock, you can use this online form: > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/member.php?action=mailform&userid=17 > > > > OR, by email: > > mailto:clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz > > > > This is the message: > > > > Ahoj. Ja mam s unixem hodne zkusenosti takze jsem to nainstaloval ze > > zdrojaku levou zadni a neprislo mi to vubec nijak slozity. Bohuzel se > > nedokazu vzit do role bezneho uzivatele ktery nema s unixem tolik > > zkusenosti a netusim co pro Tebe muze byt problem. > > > > Zkus to nainstalovat ze zdrojaku a napis na mailing list Ronji na cem jsi > > zakysl (staci strucne). Ja Ti poradim co se kam ma napsat, ty to zkusis, > > zase napises kde jsi zakysl etc. :) Takhle to bude mit vyhodu ze podle nasi > > konverzace na tom mailinglistu si ty tooly bude moct nainstalovat kazdej. > > > > Jestli nevis ani ktery zdrojaky se maj stahnout, odkud nebo jak pri > > kompilaci postupovat tak se o to nepokousej a napis to jako dotaz na > > mailing list. From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Nov 11 23:35:53 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Nov 11 22:45:38 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: instalace gaf (gEDA gschem) In-Reply-To: <20031111222222.A1537@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031111070325.21439.qmail@deusystems.cz> <200311111427.43256.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20031111222222.A1537@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311112335.53989.ladmanj@volny.cz> /usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:280: undefined reference to `scm_listify' g_netlist.o(.text+0x7ec): In function `g_get_nets': /usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:374: undefined reference to `scm_listify' g_netlist.o(.text+0x130b): In function `g_get_calling_flags': /usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:912: undefined reference to `scm_listify' g_netlist.o(.text+0x1354):/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:918: undefined reference to `scm_listify' g_netlist.o(.text+0x1399):/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:924: undefined reference to `scm_listify' g_netlist.o(.text+0x13de):/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:930: more undefined references to `scm_listify' follow collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [gnetlist] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901' make: *** [all] Error 2 root@hovado geda-gnetlist-20030901 # From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Nov 11 23:41:09 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Nov 11 22:50:41 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: instalace gaf (gEDA gschem) In-Reply-To: <200311112335.53989.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20031111070325.21439.qmail@deusystems.cz> <20031111222222.A1537@beton.cybernet.src> <200311112335.53989.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200311112341.09757.ladmanj@volny.cz> a dal ... ../noweb/x_log.nw:82: parse error before '*' token ../noweb/x_log.nw:82: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ../noweb/x_log.nw:83: parse error before '*' token ../noweb/x_log.nw:83: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ../noweb/x_log.nw: In function `x_log_setup_win': ../noweb/x_log.nw:337: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast ../noweb/x_log.nw:338: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast ../noweb/x_log.nw:341: request for member `hadjustment' in something not a structure or union ../noweb/x_log.nw:342: request for member `vadjustment' in something not a structure or union ../noweb/x_log.nw:342: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type make[3]: *** [x_log.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/geda/geda-gschem-20030901/src' make[2]: *** [all] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/geda/geda-gschem-20030901/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/geda/geda-gschem-20030901' make: *** [all] Error 2 root@hovado geda-gschem-20030901 # From clock at twibright.com Wed Nov 12 11:11:30 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Nov 12 10:11:33 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: instalace gaf (gEDA gschem) In-Reply-To: <200311112335.53989.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:35:53PM +0100 References: <20031111070325.21439.qmail@deusystems.cz> <200311111427.43256.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20031111222222.A1537@beton.cybernet.src> <200311112335.53989.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031112111130.A296@beton.cybernet.src> Jaky knihovny se ti uz podarilo nainstalovat? Mas nainstalovanou guile? (emerge guile...) scm_listify je nejakej symbol z guile. Cl< On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:35:53PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > /usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:280: undefined reference > to `scm_listify' > g_netlist.o(.text+0x7ec): In function `g_get_nets': > /usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:374: undefined reference > to `scm_listify' > g_netlist.o(.text+0x130b): In function `g_get_calling_flags': > /usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:912: undefined reference > to `scm_listify' > g_netlist.o(.text+0x1354):/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:918: > undefined reference to `scm_listify' > g_netlist.o(.text+0x1399):/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:924: > undefined reference to `scm_listify' > g_netlist.o(.text+0x13de):/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:930: > more undefined references to `scm_listify' follow > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make[2]: *** [gnetlist] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901' > make: *** [all] Error 2 > root@hovado geda-gnetlist-20030901 # > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Nov 12 12:33:56 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Nov 12 11:44:04 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: instalace gaf (gEDA gschem) In-Reply-To: <20031112111130.A296@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031111070325.21439.qmail@deusystems.cz> <200311112335.53989.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20031112111130.A296@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311121233.59863.ladmanj@volny.cz> jo guile jsem uz emergnul Dne st 12. listopadu 2003 11:11 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Jaky knihovny se ti uz podarilo nainstalovat? > Mas nainstalovanou guile? (emerge guile...) > scm_listify je nejakej symbol z guile. > > Cl< > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:35:53PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > /usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:280: undefined > > reference to `scm_listify' > > g_netlist.o(.text+0x7ec): In function `g_get_nets': > > /usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:374: undefined > > reference to `scm_listify' > > g_netlist.o(.text+0x130b): In function `g_get_calling_flags': > > /usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netlist.c:912: undefined > > reference to `scm_listify' > > g_netlist.o(.text+0x1354):/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netl > >ist.c:918: undefined reference to `scm_listify' > > g_netlist.o(.text+0x1399):/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netl > >ist.c:924: undefined reference to `scm_listify' > > g_netlist.o(.text+0x13de):/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src/g_netl > >ist.c:930: more undefined references to `scm_listify' follow > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > make[2]: *** [gnetlist] Error 1 > > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901/src' > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/geda/geda-gnetlist-20030901' > > make: *** [all] Error 2 > > root@hovado geda-gnetlist-20030901 # > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 13 16:27:21 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 13 15:27:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mlha In-Reply-To: <000c01c3a9dd$77ac4130$3b6abfd5@rastr>; from dj_boy@seznam.cz on Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 12:58:31PM +0100 References: <000c01c3a9dd$77ac4130$3b6abfd5@rastr> Message-ID: <20031113162721.B646@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 12:58:31PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > Cau lidi. S kamosem si chceme postavit Ronju na spoj cca 500 metru. Ale tady > byvaj takovy mlhy, ze jde videt maximalne, tak na tech 30 metru. Jestli ma > nekdo zkusenosti s provozem Ronji v "brutalni" mlze a na takovou vzdalenost, > tak at sem napise. Pri viditelnosti 30m spoj ve vititelnym nebo blizkym infra pasmu na 500m nema zadnou sanci ject. Cl< From dj_boy at seznam.cz Thu Nov 13 20:15:12 2003 From: dj_boy at seznam.cz (DJ_BOY) Date: Thu Nov 13 19:15:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mlha References: <000c01c3a9dd$77ac4130$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113162721.B646@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000c01c3aa1a$77e31bf0$3b6abfd5@rastr> No tak to je celkem blby. Spoj na 50 metru, ale urcite pojede ze jo ? Popripade kdyby se pouzivli laser diody u toho spoje na 500 metru byla by nejak sance ? Diky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Mlha > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 12:58:31PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > > Cau lidi. S kamosem si chceme postavit Ronju na spoj cca 500 metru. Ale tady > > byvaj takovy mlhy, ze jde videt maximalne, tak na tech 30 metru. Jestli ma > > nekdo zkusenosti s provozem Ronji v "brutalni" mlze a na takovou vzdalenost, > > tak at sem napise. > > Pri viditelnosti 30m spoj ve vititelnym nebo blizkym infra pasmu na 500m nema > zadnou sanci ject. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 13 22:06:54 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 13 21:07:01 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mlha In-Reply-To: <000c01c3aa1a$77e31bf0$3b6abfd5@rastr>; from dj_boy@seznam.cz on Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 08:15:12PM +0100 References: <000c01c3a9dd$77ac4130$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113162721.B646@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c3aa1a$77e31bf0$3b6abfd5@rastr> Message-ID: <20031113220654.A1047@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 08:15:12PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > No tak to je celkem blby. Spoj na 50 metru, ale urcite pojede ze jo ? > Popripade kdyby se pouzivli laser diody u toho spoje na 500 metru byla by > nejak sance ? Spoj na 50 metru pojede. U toho 500 metru by nebyla sance zadna i kdyby se pouzil celej vykon Temelina na vysilani (kdyz to spocitas). Mlha ma exponencialni utlum, takze bys musel mit vykon s radem kde je asi 18 nul pred desetinnou carkou. Cl< > > Diky > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Mlha > > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 12:58:31PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > > > Cau lidi. S kamosem si chceme postavit Ronju na spoj cca 500 metru. Ale > tady > > > byvaj takovy mlhy, ze jde videt maximalne, tak na tech 30 metru. Jestli > ma > > > nekdo zkusenosti s provozem Ronji v "brutalni" mlze a na takovou > vzdalenost, > > > tak at sem napise. > > > > Pri viditelnosti 30m spoj ve vititelnym nebo blizkym infra pasmu na 500m > nema > > zadnou sanci ject. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hwsoft at penguin.cz Fri Nov 14 10:17:07 2003 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Fri Nov 14 09:17:09 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mlha In-Reply-To: <20031113220654.A1047@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000c01c3a9dd$77ac4130$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113162721.B646@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c3aa1a$77e31bf0$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113220654.A1047@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031114091707.GB25828@mail.ignum.cz> Karel Kulhav? pise: > Spoj na 50 metru pojede. > > U toho 500 metru by nebyla sance zadna i kdyby se pouzil celej vykon Temelina > na vysilani (kdyz to spocitas). Mlha ma exponencialni utlum, takze bys > musel mit vykon s radem kde je asi 18 nul pred desetinnou carkou. No ale Clocku, tum vykonem bych behem par vterin mlhu zrusil, a byl by opet krasny den :-). Ale vazne, podivej se na pruchodnosti frekvenci a zjistis ze v limitu to bude IMHO az okolo 5um (nepocital jsem, ale odhadl) -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From hwsoft at penguin.cz Fri Nov 14 10:19:22 2003 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Fri Nov 14 09:19:34 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mlha In-Reply-To: <20031114091707.GB25828@mail.ignum.cz> References: <000c01c3a9dd$77ac4130$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113162721.B646@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c3aa1a$77e31bf0$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113220654.A1047@beton.cybernet.src> <20031114091707.GB25828@mail.ignum.cz> Message-ID: <20031114091922.GC25828@mail.ignum.cz> Petr Lascak pise: > Karel Kulhav? pise: > > Spoj na 50 metru pojede. > Ale vazne, podivej se na pruchodnosti frekvenci > a zjistis ze v limitu to bude IMHO az okolo 5um (nepocital jsem, ale > odhadl) Ten spodek nebyl pro Clocka, i kdyz to tak asi vyznelo, ale pro puvodniho tazatele. Clockovi se omlouvam -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From cd930 at centrum.cz Fri Nov 14 12:41:26 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Fri Nov 14 11:42:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mlha References: <000c01c3a9dd$77ac4130$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113162721.B646@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c3aa1a$77e31bf0$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113220654.A1047@beton.cybernet.src> <20031114091707.GB25828@mail.ignum.cz> Message-ID: <000e01c3aaa4$3d6518e0$0101a8c0@cz> Tady u me zkousim laser 10mW na 400m a i v mlze to slo. Pravda 80% svetla se ztratilo na prvnich 200m, ale 1MHz tam byl. Mlha byla takova, ze nebylo videt na 250m, a preci z toho bileho mleka cucel cervenej paprsek. Ja bych to testnul jen s laser ukazovatkem , ktere ma vsazeno 10mW laser (pripadne 20mW z GME) pres moji optiku: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/bok_zkraceni.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/porovnani_ze_predu.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/vnitrni_prumer_vetsi.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/laser-vzdalenost_uhel.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/paprsek_pred_cockou.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/paprsek_za_cockou.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/paprsek_za_cockou_4m.jpg A tohle je praktickej vysledek za slabeho oparu: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/nova_optika_pres_den1.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/nocni_pohled_dopad_po_400m_nova_optika_stred_ma_prumer_10cm.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/dopad_paprsku_po_400m.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/starwars_nad_sidlistem.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/starwars_nad_sidlistem2.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/starwars_nad_sidlistem4.jpg -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Lascak" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Mlha > Karel Kulhav? pise: > > Spoj na 50 metru pojede. > > > > U toho 500 metru by nebyla sance zadna i kdyby se pouzil celej vykon Temelina > > na vysilani (kdyz to spocitas). Mlha ma exponencialni utlum, takze bys > > musel mit vykon s radem kde je asi 18 nul pred desetinnou carkou. > > No ale Clocku, tum vykonem bych behem par vterin mlhu zrusil, a byl by > opet krasny den :-). Ale vazne, podivej se na pruchodnosti frekvenci > a zjistis ze v limitu to bude IMHO az okolo 5um (nepocital jsem, ale > odhadl) > > -- > Petr Lascak > ITF FreeNet Liberec > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 14 15:55:15 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Nov 14 14:55:38 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Beharovice photos / fotky Message-ID: <20031114155515.A5280@beton.cybernet.src> I have added photos of analogue retranslated Ronja from Beharovice, Czech Republic. Pridal jsem do fotogalerie fotky Ronji z analogovou retranslaci v Beharovicich http://images.twibright.com/tns/cce.html Cl< From bobriks at volny.cz Fri Nov 14 16:26:52 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (bobriks@volny.cz) Date: Fri Nov 14 15:27:01 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Beharovice photos / fotky In-Reply-To: <20031114155515.A5280@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031114155515.A5280@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <81c07f8d08af9190f490b2b9071d176e@www1.mail.volny.cz> Perfect. What are the distances and how long did the guys get everything into operation? Standa ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Karel Kulhav?" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: [Ronja] Beharovice photos / fotky Datum: 14.11.2003 - 15:55:39 > I have added photos of analogue retranslated Ronja from > Beharovice, > Czech Republic. > > Pridal jsem do fotogalerie fotky Ronji z analogovou > retranslaci > v Beharovicich > > http://images.twibright.com/tns/cce.html > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Potrebujete vice prostoru pro vase stranky? Ptejte se na http://sluzby.volny.cz/cs/product/ftp_paid From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 14 16:35:03 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Nov 14 15:35:06 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Beharovice photos / fotky In-Reply-To: <81c07f8d08af9190f490b2b9071d176e@www1.mail.volny.cz>; from bobriks@volny.cz on Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:26:52PM +0100 References: <20031114155515.A5280@beton.cybernet.src> <81c07f8d08af9190f490b2b9071d176e@www1.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031114163503.B5352@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:26:52PM +0100, bobriks@volny.cz wrote: > Perfect. What are the distances and how long > did the guys get everything into operation? > Standa One segment: 1.3km. Other segment: 400m. See http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour5.php Cl< From p.deelman at hccnet.nl Fri Nov 14 18:36:36 2003 From: p.deelman at hccnet.nl (Patrick Deelman) Date: Fri Nov 14 17:19:23 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mlha In-Reply-To: <000e01c3aaa4$3d6518e0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000c01c3a9dd$77ac4130$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113162721.B646@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c3aa1a$77e31bf0$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113220654.A1047@beton.cybernet.src> <20031114091707.GB25828@mail.ignum.cz> <000e01c3aaa4$3d6518e0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <3FB512A4.4030003@hccnet.nl> -=RYS=- wrote: >Tady u me zkousim laser 10mW na 400m a i v mlze to slo. >Pravda 80% svetla se ztratilo na prvnich 200m, ale 1MHz tam byl. >Mlha byla takova, ze nebylo videt na 250m, a preci z toho bileho mleka cucel >cervenej paprsek. >Ja bych to testnul jen s laser ukazovatkem , ktere ma vsazeno 10mW laser >(pripadne 20mW z GME) pres moji optiku: > > and a bunch of pictures Can someone please translate this? The pictures look mighty interesting, but i don't speak understand one bit of it. Yeah well so far that RYS took some pictures of his laserpointer setup and also some pictures during a foggy day which created those nifty "starwars" pictures. And if it isn't that big of a problem maybe a shortend version of what was being told in this thread :) Patrick aka morphje From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 15 12:22:25 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 15 11:47:17 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Propojeni 2 interface In-Reply-To: <025b01c3ab6a$0dc679a0$8836fea9@celeron366>; from jahodaj@volny.cz on Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:17:17PM +0100 References: <025b01c3ab6a$0dc679a0$8836fea9@celeron366> Message-ID: <20031115122225.B8210@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:17:17PM +0100, Jaroslav Jahoda wrote: > Cus pls muzu otestovat 2 interface tak ze je propojim in 1 ---> out 2 out 1 ---> in 2 ?? > Dik moc Jo. Cl< > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Nov 16 14:50:17 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Nov 16 13:50:52 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Co s tim? In-Reply-To: <20031116112956Z120987-28706+561728@mail.centrum.cz>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:29:46PM +0100 References: <20031116112956Z120987-28706+561728@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20031116145017.A15859@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:29:46PM +0100, vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz wrote: > Dobry den, > postavil jsem si Ronju a jeden z prijimacu mi vykazuje jistou > nefunkcnost > R106 mam 820 ohmu. Pouzit je BF988. > 1) RX dioda (zelena) sice ukazuje nejakou reakci na velikost > svetelneho toku, sviti v ruznych skalach, ale nikdy neni uplne > zhasnuta, i kdyz namirim tx diodu uplne k fotonce. > S tim se poji i chybna hodnota na AUI interfacu, konkretne merici bod > P51 - ani 5V, ani 0V - hodnota je vzdy nejak "mezi". > > 2) pri vymene receiveru za druhy funguje vse ok. > > 3) predkladam namerene hodnoty na RX: > > vadny kus > P101 11,24V > P102 3,49 > P103 0 > P104 5,9 <- predpokladam, ze toto bz mohla byt chyba To neni chyba, to je OK. Mate prijimac na tistaku? Mate ho bez stinici krabicky? Pokud ne, mate tu krabicku otevrenou? Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Sun Nov 16 19:58:38 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sun Nov 16 18:59:41 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mlha References: <000c01c3a9dd$77ac4130$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113162721.B646@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c3aa1a$77e31bf0$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113220654.A1047@beton.cybernet.src> <20031114091707.GB25828@mail.ignum.cz> <000e01c3aaa4$3d6518e0$0101a8c0@cz> <3FB512A4.4030003@hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <005201c3ac73$a512e000$0101a8c0@cz> Sorry Patrick, my english language is bad :(( Only Czech ... Martin OK1MJO ..... -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Deelman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Mlha > -=RYS=- wrote: > > >Tady u me zkousim laser 10mW na 400m a i v mlze to slo. > >Pravda 80% svetla se ztratilo na prvnich 200m, ale 1MHz tam byl. > >Mlha byla takova, ze nebylo videt na 250m, a preci z toho bileho mleka cucel > >cervenej paprsek. > >Ja bych to testnul jen s laser ukazovatkem , ktere ma vsazeno 10mW laser > >(pripadne 20mW z GME) pres moji optiku: > > > > > and a bunch of pictures > > Can someone please translate this? The pictures look mighty interesting, > but i don't speak understand one bit of it. Yeah well so far that RYS > took some pictures of his laserpointer setup and also some pictures > during a foggy day which created those nifty "starwars" pictures. > > And if it isn't that big of a problem maybe a shortend version of what > was being told in this thread :) > > Patrick aka morphje > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Sun Nov 16 22:34:13 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Nov 16 21:34:17 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mlha In-Reply-To: <005201c3ac73$a512e000$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:58:38PM +0100 References: <000c01c3a9dd$77ac4130$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113162721.B646@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c3aa1a$77e31bf0$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113220654.A1047@beton.cybernet.src> <20031114091707.GB25828@mail.ignum.cz> <000e01c3aaa4$3d6518e0$0101a8c0@cz> <3FB512A4.4030003@hccnet.nl> <005201c3ac73$a512e000$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031116223413.C17087@beton.cybernet.src> Translation: > > >Tady u me zkousim laser 10mW na 400m a i v mlze to slo. I'm trying laser 10mW over 400m and it worked also in fog... > > >Pravda 80% svetla se ztratilo na prvnich 200m, ale 1MHz tam byl. 80% of the light got lost at the first 200m, but 1MHz was there. > > >Mlha byla takova, ze nebylo videt na 250m, a preci z toho bileho mleka The fog was such that you couldn't see over 250m, but though a red beam was protruding from the white milk. > cucel > > >cervenej paprsek. > > >Ja bych to testnul jen s laser ukazovatkem , ktere ma vsazeno 10mW laser > > >(pripadne 20mW z GME) pres moji optiku: I would like to test it with a laser pointer only with a 10mW LD put inside (or 20mW from GME shop) over my own optics. Cl< > > > > > > > > and a bunch of pictures > > > > Can someone please translate this? The pictures look mighty interesting, > > but i don't speak understand one bit of it. Yeah well so far that RYS > > took some pictures of his laserpointer setup and also some pictures > > during a foggy day which created those nifty "starwars" pictures. > > > > And if it isn't that big of a problem maybe a shortend version of what > > was being told in this thread :) > > > > Patrick aka morphje > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 11:41:32 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 10:41:34 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku Message-ID: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I am seeking an advice how much mils should I add to physical pin size to get PCB hole size. I want the parts to be easily inserted. Thanks. Poradte mi prosim o kolik mam udelat diry v tistaku vetsi nez jsou piny soucastek, aby se soucastky daly bez problemu vkladat. Diky. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 11:43:15 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 10:43:17 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Co s tim? In-Reply-To: <20031117085112Z105292-28706+585671@mail.centrum.cz>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:51:01AM +0100 References: <20031117085112Z105292-28706+585671@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20031117114315.B787@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:51:01AM +0100, vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz wrote: > Mam ho na tistaku a bez krabicky. Stejne jako ten druhy... Tak to je pravdepodobne zpusobeno tim. Asi to nejak kmita. Pri takoveto konstrukci to zapojeni bohuzel temer nema sanci spravne pracovat. > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Karel Kulhav? > > Komu: vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz > > CC: Twibright Ronja > > Datum: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:50:17 +0100 > > P?edm?t: Re: Co s tim? > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:29:46PM +0100, > vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz wrote: > > > Dobry den, > > > postavil jsem si Ronju a jeden z prijimacu mi vykazuje jistou > > > nefunkcnost > > > R106 mam 820 ohmu. Pouzit je BF988. > > > 1) RX dioda (zelena) sice ukazuje nejakou reakci na velikost > > > svetelneho toku, sviti v ruznych skalach, ale nikdy neni uplne > > > zhasnuta, i kdyz namirim tx diodu uplne k fotonce. > > > S tim se poji i chybna hodnota na AUI interfacu, konkretne merici > bod > > > P51 - ani 5V, ani 0V - hodnota je vzdy nejak "mezi". > > > > > > 2) pri vymene receiveru za druhy funguje vse ok. > > > > > > 3) predkladam namerene hodnoty na RX: > > > > > > vadny kus > > > P101 11,24V > > > P102 3,49 > > > P103 0 > > > P104 5,9 <- predpokladam, ze toto bz mohla byt chyba > > > > To neni chyba, to je OK. > > > > Mate prijimac na tistaku? Mate ho bez stinici krabicky? Pokud ne, > > mate tu krabicku otevrenou? > > > > Cl< > > > > > -------------------- > Po?lete sv?j star? telefon do h?je! SAMSUNG C100 od 1577 K? www.oskar.cz http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/index.php > > > From jan.martinu at post.cz Mon Nov 17 12:00:16 2003 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 10:56:59 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311171200.16501.jan.martinu@post.cz> O 0,2 az 0,5 mm vic, nez prumer nohy soucastky - obvykle se vrta vrtakem 1 mm (rezistory 0,25W, keram. kondy, tranzistory TO92), vetsi soucastky dle katalogu. Dne po 17. listopadu 2003 11:41 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Hello > > I am seeking an advice how much mils should I add to physical pin size to > get PCB hole size. I want the parts to be easily inserted. Thanks. > > Poradte mi prosim o kolik mam udelat diry v tistaku vetsi nez jsou > piny soucastek, aby se soucastky daly bez problemu vkladat. Diky. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 13:27:35 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 12:27:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <200311171200.16501.jan.martinu@post.cz>; from jan.martinu@post.cz on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:00:16PM +0100 References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171200.16501.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <20031117132735.B939@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:00:16PM +0100, Jan Martin? wrote: > O 0,2 az 0,5 mm vic, nez prumer nohy soucastky - obvykle se vrta vrtakem > 1 mm (rezistory 0,25W, keram. kondy, tranzistory TO92), vetsi soucastky > dle katalogu. Kdyz se zadava k vyrobe soubor Excellon, je bezne, ze udavane tlousky jsou skutecne tloustky vrtaciho nastroje, kterym se deska vrta? Tudiz vysledna dira je o dve tloustky galvanickeho pokoveni mensi? Cl< > > > Dne po 17. listopadu 2003 11:41 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > Hello > > > > I am seeking an advice how much mils should I add to physical pin size to > > get PCB hole size. I want the parts to be easily inserted. Thanks. > > > > Poradte mi prosim o kolik mam udelat diry v tistaku vetsi nez jsou > > piny soucastek, aby se soucastky daly bez problemu vkladat. Diky. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From rojoc at hotmail.com Mon Nov 17 10:25:00 2003 From: rojoc at hotmail.com (Gonzalo Gil) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:25:41 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Laser Message-ID: Hi, "I would like to test it with a laser pointer only with a 10mW LD put inside (or 20mW from GME shop) over my own optics." 10mW of optical power? I thought that for laser pointers the optical power was < 5mW (typ. < 3mW). 10mW is a lot. Another issue: In RONJA FAQ I read that the interface couldn't pass the integrity pulses Me and a friend have built a laser driver and a receiver and made some tests and they are able to pass the link integrty pulses (I measured them with an DSO). I'm not sure if this is useful but if someone is interested I can give more details. Gonzalo _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Nov 17 14:29:07 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:29:12 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311171429.07429.ladmanj@volny.cz> Rekneme +10%, diry se vybiraji tak, aby se pouzivalo co nejmene vrtaku a aby diry nebyly mensi nez 0,5mm protoze s poctem vrtaku (ktere se pak musi rucne menit - pokud se nedejboze nevejdou do karuselu) roste cena, stejne tak jsou penalizovany prilis male prumery der. Je na vyrobci aby garantoval min prumer, pro rozdil neprokovene/prokovene. Pekne to je popsano na strankach firmy Printed sro. Melnik www.printed.cz, aspon bylo. Neberte to jako reklamu, ja sam si nechavam delat tistaky jinde, ale jen jako odkaz na informace. Dale jsou tam informace o minimalnich sirkach car a mezer, tak aby deska byla co nejlevnejsi (vejit se do dane tridy presnosti - je blby zjistit, ze je tistak 3x drazsi jenom kvuli blbostem, ktere bylo mozno pri navrhu optimalizovat) Jakub Ladman PS: to je dalsi vec, ktera je na**vno na gschem+pcb, protoze napr. v eaglu uz jsou knihovny soucastek takove, ze se o prumery der nemusim starat, akorat pak pozmenim manualni editaci soubor se seznamem vrtaku (zaokrouhlim (kdyz si nejsem jistej, tak nahoru) palcove rozmery na metricke na desetiny milimetru) a posilam to mailem vyrobci. From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Nov 17 14:32:39 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:32:40 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <20031117132735.B939@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171200.16501.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031117132735.B939@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311171432.39276.ladmanj@volny.cz> Ano a ne. Pokud je to jednostranka tak je vrtak identicky s tim co je v datech, u prokovenych si to uz sami prepocitavaji. Tak to pisou na www.printed.cz a tak mi to delaji i v www.mev.cz. Jakub Ladman Dne po 17. listopadu 2003 13:27 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:00:16PM +0100, Jan Martin? wrote: > > O 0,2 az 0,5 mm vic, nez prumer nohy soucastky - obvykle se vrta vrtakem > > 1 mm (rezistory 0,25W, keram. kondy, tranzistory TO92), vetsi soucastky > > dle katalogu. > > Kdyz se zadava k vyrobe soubor Excellon, je bezne, ze udavane tlousky > jsou skutecne tloustky vrtaciho nastroje, kterym se deska vrta? Tudiz > vysledna dira je o dve tloustky galvanickeho pokoveni mensi? > > Cl< > > > Dne po 17. listopadu 2003 11:41 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > > Hello > > > > > > I am seeking an advice how much mils should I add to physical pin size > > > to get PCB hole size. I want the parts to be easily inserted. Thanks. > > > > > > Poradte mi prosim o kolik mam udelat diry v tistaku vetsi nez jsou > > > piny soucastek, aby se soucastky daly bez problemu vkladat. Diky. > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Nov 17 14:39:37 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:39:46 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <200311171429.07429.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171429.07429.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200311171439.37598.ladmanj@volny.cz> Jeste bych doporucil pouzivat zejmena SMT. Maji lepsi vf vlastnosti, net?eba vrtat, a osazuji se kupodivu lepe a rychleji (rucne), nez klasika. Treba ten svuj jednoduchy resetator ( www.volny.cz/ladmanj/watchdog.htm ) jsem delal jako through hole, kvuli tomu aby si to mohl postavit kazdy, i ten co se SMD soucastek boji, ale bylo to asi to posledni, co jsem navrhnul v teto stare technologii. Jakub Ladman Dne po 17. listopadu 2003 14:29 Jakub Ladman napsal(a): > Rekneme +10%, diry se vybiraji tak, aby se pouzivalo co nejmene vrtaku a > aby diry nebyly mensi nez 0,5mm protoze s poctem vrtaku (ktere se pak musi > rucne menit - pokud se nedejboze nevejdou do karuselu) roste cena, stejne > tak jsou penalizovany prilis male prumery der. > Je na vyrobci aby garantoval min prumer, pro rozdil neprokovene/prokovene. > Pekne to je popsano na strankach firmy Printed sro. Melnik www.printed.cz, > aspon bylo. > Neberte to jako reklamu, ja sam si nechavam delat tistaky jinde, ale jen > jako odkaz na informace. > Dale jsou tam informace o minimalnich sirkach car a mezer, tak aby deska > byla co nejlevnejsi (vejit se do dane tridy presnosti - je blby zjistit, ze > je tistak 3x drazsi jenom kvuli blbostem, ktere bylo mozno pri navrhu > optimalizovat) > > Jakub Ladman > > PS: to je dalsi vec, ktera je na**vno na gschem+pcb, protoze napr. v eaglu > uz jsou knihovny soucastek takove, ze se o prumery der nemusim starat, > akorat pak pozmenim manualni editaci soubor se seznamem vrtaku (zaokrouhlim > (kdyz si nejsem jistej, tak nahoru) palcove rozmery na metricke na desetiny > milimetru) a posilam to mailem vyrobci. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hwsoft at penguin.cz Mon Nov 17 14:41:13 2003 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:41:15 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <20031117132735.B939@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171200.16501.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031117132735.B939@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031117134113.GB19739@mail.ignum.cz> Karel Kulhav? pise: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:00:16PM +0100, Jan Martin? wrote: > > O 0,2 az 0,5 mm vic, nez prumer nohy soucastky - obvykle se vrta vrtakem > > 1 mm (rezistory 0,25W, keram. kondy, tranzistory TO92), vetsi soucastky > > dle katalogu. > > Kdyz se zadava k vyrobe soubor Excellon, je bezne, ze udavane tlousky > jsou skutecne tloustky vrtaciho nastroje, kterym se deska vrta? Tudiz > vysledna dira je o dve tloustky galvanickeho pokoveni mensi? http://www.pragoboard.cz/prijem_dat.htm, dole pisou, ze vysledek je o 0.1 mm mensi. -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 15:15:25 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 14:15:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB solder ring inner size / vnitrni prumer pajeciho ocka Message-ID: <20031117151525.A5759@beton.cybernet.src> When generating the images for PCB manufacture shop, what should be the inner diameter of the ring around hole? Should it be as big as the drill, as big as the required final size of he hole, or even smaller? Kdyz se generujou podklady - obrazky cesticek - pro vyrobu tistaku, jaky by mel byt vnitrni prumer pajeciho ocka? Mel by byt stejne velky jako vrtak, ktery, se to fyzicky bude vrtat, nebo jako vysledna velikost diry, a nebo jeste mensi? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 15:20:27 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 14:20:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <200311171429.07429.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:29:07PM +0100 References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171429.07429.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031117152027.A5774@beton.cybernet.src> > PS: to je dalsi vec, ktera je na**vno na gschem+pcb, protoze napr. v eaglu uz > jsou knihovny soucastek takove, ze se o prumery der nemusim starat, akorat > pak pozmenim manualni editaci soubor se seznamem vrtaku (zaokrouhlim (kdyz si > nejsem jistej, tak nahoru) palcove rozmery na metricke na desetiny milimetru) > a posilam to mailem vyrobci. Jojo, to jsou vsechno veci, ktere je potreba do PCB dopsat. Nemuzeme delat na free projektu s komercnima nastrojema, protoze pak nekdo bude chtit upravit plosku, cesticku nebo roztec der a nebude mit prislusny soft k dispozici... Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 15:22:31 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 14:22:33 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <200311171432.39276.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:32:39PM +0100 References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171200.16501.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031117132735.B939@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171432.39276.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031117152231.B5774@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:32:39PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Ano a ne. Pokud je to jednostranka tak je vrtak identicky s tim co je v > datech, u prokovenych si to uz sami prepocitavaji. > Tak to pisou na www.printed.cz a tak mi to delaji i v www.mev.cz. > Jakub Ladman Aha, takze obecne voditko je takove, ze to co je v datech je to, co se ocekava, ze z vyroby vyleze, pokud zrovna vsechny odchylky v ramci tolerance se trefi na 0%, ?e? Jak psal Honza Martinu ze mam pridat 0.2mm az 0.5mm to se tykalo diry ocekavane vystupni a nebo fyzickeho prumeru vrtaciho nastroje? Cl< > > Dne po 17. listopadu 2003 13:27 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:00:16PM +0100, Jan Martin? wrote: > > > O 0,2 az 0,5 mm vic, nez prumer nohy soucastky - obvykle se vrta vrtakem > > > 1 mm (rezistory 0,25W, keram. kondy, tranzistory TO92), vetsi soucastky > > > dle katalogu. > > > > Kdyz se zadava k vyrobe soubor Excellon, je bezne, ze udavane tlousky > > jsou skutecne tloustky vrtaciho nastroje, kterym se deska vrta? Tudiz > > vysledna dira je o dve tloustky galvanickeho pokoveni mensi? > > > > Cl< > > > > > Dne po 17. listopadu 2003 11:41 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > I am seeking an advice how much mils should I add to physical pin size > > > > to get PCB hole size. I want the parts to be easily inserted. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Poradte mi prosim o kolik mam udelat diry v tistaku vetsi nez jsou > > > > piny soucastek, aby se soucastky daly bez problemu vkladat. Diky. > > > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 15:23:30 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 14:23:32 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <200311171439.37598.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:39:37PM +0100 References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171429.07429.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200311171439.37598.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031117152330.C5774@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:39:37PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Jeste bych doporucil pouzivat zejmena SMT. Maji lepsi vf vlastnosti, net?eba > vrtat, a osazuji se kupodivu lepe a rychleji (rucne), nez klasika. Fakt? To je super :) Me nekdo rikal ze osazovat to je strasnej opruz ;-) Jaky je v tom pripade optimalni postup pro rucni osazovani SMT? Cl< > Treba ten svuj jednoduchy resetator ( www.volny.cz/ladmanj/watchdog.htm ) jsem > delal jako through hole, kvuli tomu aby si to mohl postavit kazdy, i ten co > se SMD soucastek boji, ale bylo to asi to posledni, co jsem navrhnul v teto > stare technologii. > Jakub Ladman From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 15:27:26 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 14:27:34 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Hi, I'm reading your ronja projects In-Reply-To: <20031117142302.55442.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com>; from tachyon_net2002@yahoo.com on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:23:02AM -0800 References: <20031117142302.55442.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031117152726.E5774@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:23:02AM -0800, tachyon provider wrote: > Hi, I'm Budi Aditya from Indonesia. > > I've reading and learning about ronja projects > at your homepage. > > First, I'm must say your project is coll & impresive > :) > > But i've have some question, > > 1. do you have other version of ronja that can be made > using pcb layout ? No, but this is definitely in my TODO list. :) At the moment I am solving tons of annoying little problems like drill sizes, PCB tolerances etc. and working on a PCB for Trinitrack - Ronja sniffer. > > 2. Do you have other version of ronja that can be > cover >= 2000 or 3000 m or longer ? This is also in my TODO list. The model will be named Interpolis and will use laser head module codenamed Lucifer. The partial optical assembly for Lucifer is laying on my table at this moment... > > > >From your project page, changin transmitter diode, > from HWT-BD00 to HWT-BD00-F4000 > but using same lens diameter (130mm) 5" > you can increase range from 1000 m to 1400 m, > My question is, what i must do / changed from in > my setup so i can achieve range 2000 to 3000 m ? Wait for Interpolis. Or you can run dualhead over 2.8km with microwave backup. Dualhead is when you make the transmitter head twice and connect them in parallel so they transmit identical signals. Cl< > > > > Thanks very much for your time and attention, > > regards > Budi Aditya > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Nov 17 16:20:49 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Nov 17 15:21:37 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mlha References: <000c01c3a9dd$77ac4130$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113162721.B646@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c3aa1a$77e31bf0$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031113220654.A1047@beton.cybernet.src> <20031114091707.GB25828@mail.ignum.cz> <000e01c3aaa4$3d6518e0$0101a8c0@cz> <3FB512A4.4030003@hccnet.nl> <005201c3ac73$a512e000$0101a8c0@cz> <20031116223413.C17087@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000601c3ad1e$61ef4240$0101a8c0@cz> Karle diky moc za preklad. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Mlha > Translation: > > > > >Tady u me zkousim laser 10mW na 400m a i v mlze to slo. > > I'm trying laser 10mW over 400m and it worked also in fog... > > > > >Pravda 80% svetla se ztratilo na prvnich 200m, ale 1MHz tam byl. > > 80% of the light got lost at the first 200m, but 1MHz was there. > > > > >Mlha byla takova, ze nebylo videt na 250m, a preci z toho bileho mleka > > The fog was such that you couldn't see over 250m, but though a red > beam was protruding from the white milk. > > > cucel > > > >cervenej paprsek. > > > >Ja bych to testnul jen s laser ukazovatkem , ktere ma vsazeno 10mW laser > > > >(pripadne 20mW z GME) pres moji optiku: > > I would like to test it with a laser pointer only with a 10mW LD put > inside (or 20mW from GME shop) over my own optics. > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > > > > and a bunch of pictures > > > > > > Can someone please translate this? The pictures look mighty interesting, > > > but i don't speak understand one bit of it. Yeah well so far that RYS > > > took some pictures of his laserpointer setup and also some pictures > > > during a foggy day which created those nifty "starwars" pictures. > > > > > > And if it isn't that big of a problem maybe a shortend version of what > > > was being told in this thread :) > > > > > > Patrick aka morphje > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Mon Nov 17 16:30:42 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Mon Nov 17 15:31:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171429.07429.ladmanj@volny.cz> <200311171439.37598.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20031117152330.C5774@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002801c3ad1f$c360d380$0101a8c0@cz> Hmm ja mam hot-ait ( www.gt-ecs.cz ) a ke klasickemu tistaku bych se taky nerad vracel. Se SMD je prece jenom mene "srani" . Se to ohreje a do 2 minut je vse osazene. Martin -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:39:37PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Jeste bych doporucil pouzivat zejmena SMT. Maji lepsi vf vlastnosti, net?eba > > vrtat, a osazuji se kupodivu lepe a rychleji (rucne), nez klasika. > > Fakt? To je super :) Me nekdo rikal ze osazovat to je strasnej opruz ;-) > > Jaky je v tom pripade optimalni postup pro rucni osazovani SMT? > > Cl< > > > Treba ten svuj jednoduchy resetator ( www.volny.cz/ladmanj/watchdog.htm ) jsem > > delal jako through hole, kvuli tomu aby si to mohl postavit kazdy, i ten co > > se SMD soucastek boji, ale bylo to asi to posledni, co jsem navrhnul v teto > > stare technologii. > > Jakub Ladman > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Nov 17 16:40:56 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Nov 17 15:41:01 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <20031117152330.C5774@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171439.37598.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20031117152330.C5774@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311171640.57235.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne po 17. listopadu 2003 15:23 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:39:37PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Jeste bych doporucil pouzivat zejmena SMT. Maji lepsi vf vlastnosti, > > net?eba vrtat, a osazuji se kupodivu lepe a rychleji (rucne), nez > > klasika. > > Fakt? To je super :) Me nekdo rikal ze osazovat to je strasnej opruz ;-) > > Jaky je v tom pripade optimalni postup pro rucni osazovani SMT? Optimalni nevim :-D udajne v amaterskych podminkach je to rucni nanaseni pajeci pasty a pak trouba, nebo horkovzdusna pistole. Troubu jsem nezkousel, horkovzdusnou pistoli jednou neuspesne, ale napoprvy se nic nedari, jeste to zkouset budu. Ja to osazuju rucne mikropajkou, RLCD a pod prvky s malo nahama pajim tak, ze pocinuju jeden pad, polozim soucastku, pripajim (treba i na studenak, proste priheftnout) pak kvalitne ostatni, a pak pripadne prepajet i tu prvni nohu. Integrace tak, ze priheftuju dve krajni nohy, a pak preletuju vsechny nohy (cin se rozlije pres vsechny) a pak s dostatkem kalafuny odsavam cin z mezer licnou (lankem - nemusi byt ani ta spesl odsavaci, staci jakekoliv nezoxidovane lanko prolite kalafunou). Troska cviku a jde to super, ja vidim dobre takze k tomu nepotrebuju ani lupu, ale ta samozrejme pomuze. Mozna to ale nekomu netrenovanymu bude pripadat jako hodinarina. Jakub Ladman PS: Na BGA se me neptej, to fakt neumim :-D To uz jsou pouzdra co bych zakazal. > > Cl< > > > Treba ten svuj jednoduchy resetator ( www.volny.cz/ladmanj/watchdog.htm ) > > jsem delal jako through hole, kvuli tomu aby si to mohl postavit kazdy, i > > ten co se SMD soucastek boji, ale bylo to asi to posledni, co jsem > > navrhnul v teto stare technologii. > > Jakub Ladman > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Nov 17 17:39:29 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:39:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src><200311171439.37598.ladmanj@volny.cz><20031117152330.C5774@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171640.57235.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <003901c3ad29$5f6c3fe0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> taky jsem to tak delaval, proste jednu, dve nohy pripajet na pridrzeni a pak pripajet poradne ostatni a nakonec ty prvni u integracu neni potreba odsavat, kdyz je dobra maska, proste se to neslije a i kdyby, tak to staci nahrat a jet s pajkou jo, samozrejme mikropajkou :-) trafopajkou to jde sice taky, ale je to humus, vylozene nouzovka na nejaky ten odpor, kondik .... uvedeny postup ma jen jednu drobnou vadu, nikdo totiz nepremysli, co udela teplotni roztaznost - soucastky se nezahrejou a nechladnou cele, ale jen po castech ale jinak je to celkem pohoda, fakt je to jednodussi nez klasika je ale potreba dobrou pinzetu, dobre oci (me je z lupy spatne) a dobrou mikropajku, nejlepsi jsou stare komunisticke Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku Dne po 17. listopadu 2003 15:23 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:39:37PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Jeste bych doporucil pouzivat zejmena SMT. Maji lepsi vf vlastnosti, > > net?eba vrtat, a osazuji se kupodivu lepe a rychleji (rucne), nez > > klasika. > > Fakt? To je super :) Me nekdo rikal ze osazovat to je strasnej opruz ;-) > > Jaky je v tom pripade optimalni postup pro rucni osazovani SMT? Optimalni nevim :-D udajne v amaterskych podminkach je to rucni nanaseni pajeci pasty a pak trouba, nebo horkovzdusna pistole. Troubu jsem nezkousel, horkovzdusnou pistoli jednou neuspesne, ale napoprvy se nic nedari, jeste to zkouset budu. Ja to osazuju rucne mikropajkou, RLCD a pod prvky s malo nahama pajim tak, ze pocinuju jeden pad, polozim soucastku, pripajim (treba i na studenak, proste priheftnout) pak kvalitne ostatni, a pak pripadne prepajet i tu prvni nohu. Integrace tak, ze priheftuju dve krajni nohy, a pak preletuju vsechny nohy (cin se rozlije pres vsechny) a pak s dostatkem kalafuny odsavam cin z mezer licnou (lankem - nemusi byt ani ta spesl odsavaci, staci jakekoliv nezoxidovane lanko prolite kalafunou). Troska cviku a jde to super, ja vidim dobre takze k tomu nepotrebuju ani lupu, ale ta samozrejme pomuze. Mozna to ale nekomu netrenovanymu bude pripadat jako hodinarina. Jakub Ladman PS: Na BGA se me neptej, to fakt neumim :-D To uz jsou pouzdra co bych zakazal. > > Cl< > > > Treba ten svuj jednoduchy resetator ( www.volny.cz/ladmanj/watchdog.htm ) > > jsem delal jako through hole, kvuli tomu aby si to mohl postavit kazdy, i > > ten co se SMD soucastek boji, ale bylo to asi to posledni, co jsem > > navrhnul v teto stare technologii. > > Jakub Ladman > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Nov 17 17:44:43 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:44:47 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ukazka osazovaku References: <20031117142302.55442.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> <20031117152726.E5774@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004101c3ad2a$1a4a1440$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> ahoj, na czfree to jaksi nejede, tak ti to posilam tady tady je ukazka nejakeho osazovaku: http://www.cipis.net/osazovak/ Cipis P.S.: Stejnak je to prca, paralelni diskuze ..... From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 18:16:26 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:16:32 2003 Subject: [Ronja] [vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz: Re: Co s tim?] Message-ID: <20031117181626.A9986@beton.cybernet.src> ----- Forwarded message from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz ----- X-Original-To: clock@beton.cybernet.src Delivered-To: clock@beton.cybernet.src Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:41:27 +0100 From: To: X-Mailer: Centrum Mail 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: Co s tim? Uz jsem na to prisel, byla opacne zapojena dioda :-/ Ted jsem to cele testoval a zelene ledky poblikavaji na te strane, na kterou posilam ping. Cervene mirne poblikavaji ze strany, z ktere vysilam (a to navic vubec ne synhronne se zelenymi(na 1 stanici) kdyz pinguju). Poblikavaji i pri nabehu win98(1. pc)/95(2. pc), coz je asi normalka. Bohuzel, PC se vubec nevidi... Jestli to bude tema prijimacema, tak by se to dalo odstinit - krabickou dle Vaseho navodu. Jinak uz nevim :-( ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Karel Kulhav? > Komu: vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz > CC: Twibright Ronja > Datum: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:43:15 +0100 > P?edm?t: Re: Co s tim? > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:51:01AM +0100, vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz wrote: > > Mam ho na tistaku a bez krabicky. Stejne jako ten druhy... > > Tak to je pravdepodobne zpusobeno tim. Asi to nejak kmita. Pri takoveto > konstrukci to zapojeni bohuzel temer nema sanci spravne pracovat. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: Karel Kulhav? > > > Komu: vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz > > > CC: Twibright Ronja > > > Datum: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:50:17 +0100 > > > P?edm?t: Re: Co s tim? > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:29:46PM +0100, > > vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz wrote: > > > > Dobry den, > > > > postavil jsem si Ronju a jeden z prijimacu mi vykazuje jistou > > > > nefunkcnost > > > > R106 mam 820 ohmu. Pouzit je BF988. > > > > 1) RX dioda (zelena) sice ukazuje nejakou reakci na velikost > > > > svetelneho toku, sviti v ruznych skalach, ale nikdy neni uplne > > > > zhasnuta, i kdyz namirim tx diodu uplne k fotonce. > > > > S tim se poji i chybna hodnota na AUI interfacu, konkretne merici > > bod > > > > P51 - ani 5V, ani 0V - hodnota je vzdy nejak "mezi". > > > > > > > > 2) pri vymene receiveru za druhy funguje vse ok. > > > > > > > > 3) predkladam namerene hodnoty na RX: > > > > > > > > vadny kus > > > > P101 11,24V > > > > P102 3,49 > > > > P103 0 > > > > P104 5,9 <- predpokladam, ze toto bz mohla byt chyba > > > > > > To neni chyba, to je OK. > > > > > > Mate prijimac na tistaku? Mate ho bez stinici krabicky? Pokud ne, > > > mate tu krabicku otevrenou? > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > Po?lete sv?j star? telefon do h?je! SAMSUNG C100 od 1577 K? www.oskar.cz http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php? url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/index.php > > > > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 18:18:08 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:18:10 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <003901c3ad29$5f6c3fe0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:39:29PM +0100 References: <20031117114132.A787@beton.cybernet.src><200311171439.37598.ladmanj@volny.cz><20031117152330.C5774@beton.cybernet.src> <200311171640.57235.ladmanj@volny.cz> <003901c3ad29$5f6c3fe0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20031117181808.B9986@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:39:29PM +0100, Cipis wrote: > taky jsem to tak delaval, proste jednu, dve nohy pripajet na pridrzeni a pak > pripajet poradne ostatni a nakonec ty prvni > u integracu neni potreba odsavat, kdyz je dobra maska, proste se to neslije > a i kdyby, tak to staci nahrat a jet s pajkou > jo, samozrejme mikropajkou :-) > trafopajkou to jde sice taky, ale je to humus, vylozene nouzovka na nejaky > ten odpor, kondik .... > uvedeny postup ma jen jednu drobnou vadu, nikdo totiz nepremysli, co udela > teplotni roztaznost - soucastky se nezahrejou a nechladnou cele, ale jen po > castech > ale jinak je to celkem pohoda, fakt je to jednodussi nez klasika > je ale potreba dobrou pinzetu, dobre oci (me je z lupy spatne) a dobrou > mikropajku, nejlepsi jsou stare komunisticke Hm tak jak se koukam tak asi udelam k tem tistackum pak jeste SMD verzi :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 18:33:29 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:33:31 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ukazka osazovaku In-Reply-To: <004101c3ad2a$1a4a1440$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:44:43PM +0100 References: <20031117142302.55442.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> <20031117152726.E5774@beton.cybernet.src> <004101c3ad2a$1a4a1440$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20031117183329.C9986@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:44:43PM +0100, Cipis wrote: > ahoj, > na czfree to jaksi nejede, tak ti to posilam tady > tady je ukazka nejakeho osazovaku: > http://www.cipis.net/osazovak/ Jo tak to gEDA PCB automaticky generuje, to je v pohode. Nevis nahodou jestli muze servisni potisk presahovat i do mist, kde je hola med bez nepajivy masky? Odmaskujou si to v tom zavode a nebo mi to s tim potisknou a pude to pak blbe naletovat? Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Nov 17 18:37:44 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:37:37 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ukazka osazovaku In-Reply-To: <20031117183329.C9986@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031117142302.55442.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> <004101c3ad2a$1a4a1440$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20031117183329.C9986@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311171837.44138.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne po 17. listopadu 2003 18:33 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): Potisknou ti to. Tisknou to tak jak je to v gerberu. Jakub Ladman > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:44:43PM +0100, Cipis wrote: > > ahoj, > > na czfree to jaksi nejede, tak ti to posilam tady > > tady je ukazka nejakeho osazovaku: > > http://www.cipis.net/osazovak/ > > Jo tak to gEDA PCB automaticky generuje, to je v pohode. > > Nevis nahodou jestli muze servisni potisk presahovat i do mist, kde je hola > med bez nepajivy masky? Odmaskujou si to v tom zavode a nebo mi to s tim > potisknou a pude to pak blbe naletovat? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hwsoft at penguin.cz Mon Nov 17 18:46:01 2003 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:46:04 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ukazka osazovaku In-Reply-To: <20031117183329.C9986@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031117142302.55442.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> <20031117152726.E5774@beton.cybernet.src> <004101c3ad2a$1a4a1440$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20031117183329.C9986@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031117174601.GC32295@mail.ignum.cz> Karel Kulhav? pise: > Nevis nahodou jestli muze servisni potisk presahovat i do mist, kde je hola med > bez nepajivy masky? Odmaskujou si to v tom zavode a nebo mi to s tim potisknou > a pude to pak blbe naletovat? Jo to musis ty, nevim jak gEDA, ale jak EAGLE, tak MentorGraphics, to tak udelaj, tj vygenerujou potisk kterej je prerusenej tam kde sou via, nebo pads, nebo restrict. -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Nov 17 18:47:45 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:47:52 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ukazka osazovaku References: <20031117142302.55442.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com><20031117152726.E5774@beton.cybernet.src><004101c3ad2a$1a4a1440$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20031117183329.C9986@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <006f01c3ad32$e8711140$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> klidne muze, ale oni to udelaj tak, jake dodas podklady :-) takze se to bude blbe pajet :-) jinak ja na potisku netrvam, protoze to zbytecne navysuje cenu, staci, ze uz budes mit filmy na med a na masku ono strasne zalezi na tom, kolik se toho bude delat jako prototyp asi i bez masky, sice u toho nekdo zdechne, jak se mu to bude slevat dohromady, ale nebude to tak drahe az se bude delat serie treba deseti nebo vice kusu, tak uz i s maskou a tak a ze prototyp bude bez chyb, to neverim, vzdycky se nekde neco zmasti (i ve vyrobe) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] ukazka osazovaku > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:44:43PM +0100, Cipis wrote: > > ahoj, > > na czfree to jaksi nejede, tak ti to posilam tady > > tady je ukazka nejakeho osazovaku: > > http://www.cipis.net/osazovak/ > > Jo tak to gEDA PCB automaticky generuje, to je v pohode. > > Nevis nahodou jestli muze servisni potisk presahovat i do mist, kde je hola med > bez nepajivy masky? Odmaskujou si to v tom zavode a nebo mi to s tim potisknou > a pude to pak blbe naletovat? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hwsoft at penguin.cz Mon Nov 17 18:57:39 2003 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:57:42 2003 Subject: [Ronja] PCB hole sizes / velikost der v tistaku In-Reply-To: <20031117181808.B9986@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200311171640.57235.ladmanj@volny.cz> <003901c3ad29$5f6c3fe0$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <20031117181808.B9986@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031117175739.GE32295@mail.ignum.cz> Karel Kulhav? pise: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 05:39:29PM +0100, Cipis wrote: > > taky jsem to tak delaval, proste jednu, dve nohy pripajet na pridrzeni a pak > > pripajet poradne ostatni a nakonec ty prvni > > u integracu neni potreba odsavat, kdyz je dobra maska, proste se to neslije > > a i kdyby, tak to staci nahrat a jet s pajkou > > jo, samozrejme mikropajkou :-) > > trafopajkou to jde sice taky, ale je to humus, vylozene nouzovka na nejaky > > ten odpor, kondik .... > > uvedeny postup ma jen jednu drobnou vadu, nikdo totiz nepremysli, co udela > > teplotni roztaznost - soucastky se nezahrejou a nechladnou cele, ale jen po > > castech > > ale jinak je to celkem pohoda, fakt je to jednodussi nez klasika > > je ale potreba dobrou pinzetu, dobre oci (me je z lupy spatne) a dobrou > > mikropajku, nejlepsi jsou stare komunisticke > > Hm tak jak se koukam tak asi udelam k tem tistackum pak jeste SMD verzi :) > Nabizim sve sluzby, SMD ja rad, neco malo projektu sem uz udelal. Pokud rozchodim gEDU a PCB jsem schopen to spachat. Profi pristup je samo sebou, i s amaterskym nadsenim :). -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From rjw at alembic.com Mon Nov 17 12:00:24 2003 From: rjw at alembic.com (Ron Wickersham) Date: Mon Nov 17 19:58:47 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: PCB solder ring inner size / vintrni prumer pajeciho In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 ronja-request@lists.pointless.net wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:15:25 +0100 > From: Karel Kulhav? > Subject: [Ronja] PCB solder ring inner size / vnitrni prumer pajeciho > ocka > To: Twibright Ronja > Message-ID: <20031117151525.A5759@beton.cybernet.src> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > When generating the images for PCB manufacture shop, what should be > the inner diameter of the ring around hole? Should it be as big as the drill, > as big as the required final size of he hole, or even smaller? hi Clock, i subscribe to the digest version so someone may have answered this already, but in generating the images you should have solid pads, there should be no inner diameter at all. the reason is that the drill locations are submitted in a separate file and so the artwork is laid over the holes already existing in the board. by having no internal marks, when the tolerances build up in manufacturing, you still have a connection to the plated-thru inner sleve of the hole all the way around. if you kept an inner hole in the image, when the hole is off-center slightly, then the annular ring would not touch the manufactured center hole and the pad would not be so well anchored to the plated-thru hole. -ron From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 21:07:34 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 20:33:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] servisni potisk, osazovaci planky Message-ID: <20031117210734.A11754@beton.cybernet.src> Udelal jsem patch do gEDA PCB ktery: a) ze servisniho potisku odmaze veci ktere nejsou zakryte nepajivou maskou (ted to uz vyrobej OK, zejo?) b) generuje dalsi vytisk - osazovaci planek - kde je kompletni servisni potisk plus pajeci plosky pinu (pro snazsi orientaci). To je asi to co tu nekdo navrhoval jako osazovaci planek? Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Nov 17 21:54:14 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Nov 17 20:54:23 2003 Subject: [Ronja] servisni potisk, osazovaci planky References: <20031117210734.A11754@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002701c3ad4c$f57f8280$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> a) oni to vzdycky vyrobi podle tech podkladu (teda, skoro vzdycky:-) ) b) ehm, tak jsem to zrovna nemyslel plosky nejsou potreba, staci spravny obrys a popis soucastek ten potisk neni az tak super, protoze je v tahu, kdyz to osadis a podle ceho pak poznas, co je co? zasadni je ten osazovak, ten potisk je tam dalsi vec, ktera ti to usnadni, ale podle ni se to neosazuje vzdycky je lepsi osazovak na A4 nez mrnavej potisk na mrnave desce potisk je treba dobry na to, kdyz tam mas konektor a ten potisk ti oznaci treba +/- nebo na oznaceni propojek, mer. bodu a pod. veci rozhodne ale nenahradi osazovak, protoze se toho potisku na tistak moc nevleze Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:07 PM Subject: [Ronja] servisni potisk, osazovaci planky > Udelal jsem patch do gEDA PCB ktery: > > a) ze servisniho potisku odmaze veci ktere nejsou zakryte nepajivou maskou > (ted to uz vyrobej OK, zejo?) > > b) generuje dalsi vytisk - osazovaci planek - kde je kompletni servisni potisk > plus pajeci plosky pinu (pro snazsi orientaci). To je asi to co tu nekdo > navrhoval jako osazovaci planek? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 22:38:19 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 21:38:26 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: PCB solder ring inner size / vintrni prumer pajeciho In-Reply-To: ; from rjw@alembic.com on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:00:24PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20031117223819.A16963@beton.cybernet.src> > hi Clock, > > i subscribe to the digest version so someone may have answered this > already, but in generating the images you should have solid pads, there > should be no inner diameter at all. > > the reason is that the drill locations are submitted in a separate file > and so the artwork is laid over the holes already existing in the board. > > by having no internal marks, when the tolerances build up in manufacturing, > you still have a connection to the plated-thru inner sleve of the hole > all the way around. if you kept an inner hole in the image, when the > hole is off-center slightly, then the annular ring would not touch the > manufactured center hole and the pad would not be so well anchored to the > plated-thru hole. Thank you. I have been looking at postscript version and didn't realize gerber files are different. PS is good for printing on laser printer and home etching. Gerber are for factory and are just in the format I need, I see :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 22:39:47 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 21:39:49 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky In-Reply-To: <000b01c3ad4a$cbed7d70$3b6abfd5@rastr>; from dj_boy@seznam.cz on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:38:21PM +0100 References: <000b01c3ad4a$cbed7d70$3b6abfd5@rastr> Message-ID: <20031117223947.B16963@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:38:21PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > Cau lidi, jaky by meli mit parametry cocky pro ronju ? Chcem postavit s 75mm > a 130mm cockama. Kdyby jste mi mohli poslat parametry pro ty cocky, byl bych > vdecny. Nejlepsi jsou lupy. Hlavice jsou pro 90mm, je nutno to podle toho ohniska zkratit. Ohnisko 90mm lup na 90mm hlavice je uvedeny v navodu. Zmer ohnisko 75mm lupy a odecti to a posun prislusne diry a zmensi trubky. Jestli umis s qcadem, muzes ty .dxf planky upravit a budeme mit 75mm hlavice :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 22:42:32 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 21:42:34 2003 Subject: [Ronja] servisni potisk, osazovaci planky In-Reply-To: <002701c3ad4c$f57f8280$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:54:14PM +0100 References: <20031117210734.A11754@beton.cybernet.src> <002701c3ad4c$f57f8280$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20031117224232.C16963@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:54:14PM +0100, Cipis wrote: > a) oni to vzdycky vyrobi podle tech podkladu (teda, skoro vzdycky:-) ) > b) ehm, tak jsem to zrovna nemyslel Ted vydali 13.11. novou verzi a ta uz umi "fabrication drawing" - je to hyper cool :) Jsem zvedav jestli Harry Eaton vezme ten muj patch. Nejak pomalu prestavam touzit po tech komercnich systemech ;-) Ted jsem se dival na ty gerbery z toho co kdysi udelal Deu a hazelo to nejaky chyby ze chybi koncovej prikaz a tak - takovy veci se v komercnim softu tezko opravujou, GPL rulez :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 17 23:11:29 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 17 22:11:32 2003 Subject: [Ronja] velikost plosek pro nepajivou masku Message-ID: <20031117231129.A17072@beton.cybernet.src> Vsiml jsem si ze ten proprietarni system kterym Deu navrhoval ty svy tistaky dela diry v nepajive masce vetsi nez jsou pajeci plosky - diry v masce jsou skoro tak velke jako vykousnuti medi kolem pajecich plosek. gEDA PCB dela diry v masce stejne velke jako pajeci plosky. Je to nejak na zavadu? Je potreba abych to v tom programu taky ohackoval? :) Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Mon Nov 17 23:22:57 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Mon Nov 17 22:23:12 2003 Subject: [Ronja] velikost plosek pro nepajivou masku References: <20031117231129.A17072@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000e01c3ad59$5abdf940$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Vyhrabal jsem nejake stare tistaky a tam je ta maska presne k plosce (teda v ramci presnosti, jeden tistak to ma cele trochu ujete) Ty tistaky byly delany v OrCADu, takze asi zalezi na systemu, v kterem se to dela. Kriticke to neni. Maska se da vzdycky odrit :-) Cipis P.S.: Vzhledem k tomu, ze te to vylozene bavi, tak si tam pridej nejakou volbu na velikost toho odstupu :-) P.P.S.: Ja si ten Linux asi budu muset taky nainstalovat .... Ale co, Enemy Territory pod nim jede, tak proc to nezkusit.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: [Ronja] velikost plosek pro nepajivou masku > Vsiml jsem si ze ten proprietarni system kterym Deu navrhoval ty svy > tistaky dela diry v nepajive masce vetsi nez jsou pajeci plosky - diry > v masce jsou skoro tak velke jako vykousnuti medi kolem pajecich plosek. > > gEDA PCB dela diry v masce stejne velke jako pajeci plosky. Je to nejak na > zavadu? Je potreba abych to v tom programu taky ohackoval? :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 21:58:15 2003 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Tue Nov 18 05:58:25 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ronja dual head.. 2.8Km-utopia.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031118055815.64265.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> So, if i put dual head with HPWT-BD00-F4000 , ronja work over 2.8Km? lol.. with only 35mW? And what lens? Chinesee lens? even with BK7 glass lens you can't obtain 2.8Km with 35-40mW led.Spot at reception will be over 30m.This aperture is too big. Some russian comercial FSO can go over 3Km but with 3-500mW infrared led.. and they don't recomend it. it's just an test.(SFH495P,1ns rise time,max 1A-1000mW).With 1 laser, maybe 2 ,you can go over 3Km,but alignment will be v.hard for 1-3mW power. if i put 8 Ronja heads i can make an connection over 11.2Km?..lol.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 18 10:23:28 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:23:32 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ronja dual head.. 2.8Km-utopia.. In-Reply-To: <20031118055815.64265.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com>; from sorin_a99@yahoo.com on Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:58:15PM -0800 References: <20031118055815.64265.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031118102328.A14550@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:58:15PM -0800, popa-popescu sorin-gabriel wrote: > > So, if i put dual head with HPWT-BD00-F4000 , ronja > work over 2.8Km? lol.. with only 35mW? And what lens? This is a distance when microwave backup is used - it is not required to work in bad weather. Cl< > Chinesee lens? even with BK7 glass lens you can't > obtain 2.8Km with 35-40mW led.Spot at reception will > be over 30m.This aperture is too big. > Some russian comercial FSO can go over 3Km but with > 3-500mW infrared led.. and they don't recomend it. > it's just an test.(SFH495P,1ns rise time,max > 1A-1000mW).With 1 laser, maybe 2 ,you can go over > 3Km,but alignment will be v.hard for 1-3mW power. > if i put 8 Ronja heads i can make an connection over 11.2Km?..lol.. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jdalton at swiftdsl.com.au Tue Nov 18 22:09:51 2003 From: jdalton at swiftdsl.com.au (John Dalton) Date: Tue Nov 18 11:09:56 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LED/Photodiode measurements Message-ID: <20031118110951.GK17390@bing> I have done some rough characterisation of a 'typical' photodiode and high intensity red LED, as available at most electronic shops (in Australia at least). The devices tested were: LED: Jaycar part no.ZD-1790, 20000mCd, red. This is a Vishay part Photodiode: Oatley Electronics part no. EPDV1 Clear encapsulation, claimed to be equivalent to a BPW50. The supplier does not know who the manufacturer is. During the test, the LED was driven by the output of a 50 ohm pulse generator. The photodiode was reverse biased with 12V via a 10kohm resistor. The output of the photodiode was capacitively coupled to a 50ohm DC-2GHz MAR6 amplifier, which fed into an oscilloscope. The LED/photodiode pair seemed to have fairly flat response up to around 10MHz. By 15MHz, the voltage response had rolled off by around 3dB. At 30MHz roll off was at least 10dB, but the signal was still visible at the output. The signal continued to roll off until around 50MHz when no signal was evident. I made no attempt to characterise the LED or photodiode separately, so I'm not sure which one is responsible for the roll off (suspect it is the LED though). The above test is not very accurate (or reproducible) due to poor mechanical mounting, and aiming, of the LED and photodiode. I hope to build a proper test rig soon so I can do a more objective test and produce some frequency response graphs. Hope this has been useful Regards John ----------------------------------------- Web page for LED: http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZD1790 Web page for Photodiode: http://www.oatleyelectronics.com/leds.htm From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 18 12:35:55 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Nov 18 11:36:08 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LED/Photodiode measurements In-Reply-To: <20031118110951.GK17390@bing>; from jdalton@swiftdsl.com.au on Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:09:51PM +1100 References: <20031118110951.GK17390@bing> Message-ID: <20031118123555.A14643@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:09:51PM +1100, John Dalton wrote: > I have done some rough characterisation > of a 'typical' photodiode and high intensity > red LED, as available at most electronic shops > (in Australia at least). The devices tested were: > > LED: Jaycar part no.ZD-1790, 20000mCd, red. > This is a Vishay part Have you got some datasheet please? Cl< From jdalton at swiftdsl.com.au Tue Nov 18 23:50:55 2003 From: jdalton at swiftdsl.com.au (John Dalton) Date: Tue Nov 18 12:50:55 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LED/Photodiode measurements In-Reply-To: <20031118123555.A14643@beton.cybernet.src> (from clock@twibright.com on Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 22:35:55 +1100) References: <20031118110951.GK17390@bing> <20031118123555.A14643@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031118125055.GO17390@bing> > Have you got some datasheet please? http://www1.jaycar.com.au/products_uploaded/ZD-1790.pdf This is not the official Vishay datasheet, but a summary Jaycar wrote themselves. Looking at the Vishay website, the specs match the TLCR5800, so I guess that is what it is. http://www.vishay.com/docs/83178/83178.pdf Regards John From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 18 14:42:59 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Nov 18 13:43:02 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LED/Photodiode measurements In-Reply-To: <20031118125055.GO17390@bing>; from jdalton@swiftdsl.com.au on Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:50:55PM +1100 References: <20031118110951.GK17390@bing> <20031118123555.A14643@beton.cybernet.src> <20031118125055.GO17390@bing> Message-ID: <20031118144259.A14770@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:50:55PM +1100, John Dalton wrote: > > Have you got some datasheet please? > > http://www1.jaycar.com.au/products_uploaded/ZD-1790.pdf > > This is not the official Vishay datasheet, but a summary > Jaycar wrote themselves. > > Looking at the Vishay website, the specs match the TLCR5800, > so I guess that is what it is. > > http://www.vishay.com/docs/83178/83178.pdf This is unfortunately not suitable for Ronja -- too small angle. Cl< From tomekw at irc.pl Tue Nov 18 20:57:19 2003 From: tomekw at irc.pl (tomekw@irc.pl) Date: Tue Nov 18 19:57:28 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Ronja RX TX TP - Clock and Highlander help Message-ID: <16614847219.20031118205719@irc.pl> Hello !!! I'm Tom from Poland I=B4ve built Ronja with TP and it doesn't work and I don't know why.:( Please help. To Clock I think the problems is in my PCB's. For test I don't use any shield. On the measurement point of RX I've values CON12V - 11.33V - reinforcement form old PC-AT P101 - 10,46V P102 - 3,10V P103 - 0V - this is OK:) P104 - 3,93V - I use BF961 P105 - 5,2V P106 - 4,98V P107 - 1,28V - RSSI - that wrong :( P108 - 10,27V P109 - 4,59V Revision Ronja 10M Reciver - October 19,2003 All voltage is without signal from TP. On TX all measurement point the DC voltage it's ok without TP. When I plug TP to RX the HPWT-LED is shine and the measurement point P6 have 3.02V - it is normal situation - I don't known. To Highlander. I've use 20F001N and LANF7236G Ethernet transformer and I want to known with one resistor i must change R12,R13,R14 or R15 from 50 ohm to 100 ohm, and could you give me some measurement point values for TP interface. --=20 Sorry for my poor english:) Best regards, tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl From cbedison at centrum.cz Tue Nov 18 21:09:37 2003 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Tue Nov 18 20:50:51 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: packetloss (archive 10-2003) Message-ID: <20031118200940Z221193-28706+643206@mail.centrum.cz> zdravim, cetl jsem archiv konference z minuleho mesice a narazil jsem na tento prispevek: >On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 09:36:56PM +0200, Vojt?ch Pithart wrote: >> Ahoj, >> prosim tez o radu. Mam funkcni instalaci ronje na 800 metru. Pri stahovani >> souboru pres FTP, stejne jako pri jinych TCP prenosech, dosahnu rychlosti jen >> okolo 50-150 kB/s, ktera se mezi temito mezemi dost nahodne pohybuje. Nyni >> jsou tam 2 stejne sitove karty na obou stranach: >> >> 3Com Corporation 3c905B-Combo [Deluxe Etherlink XL 10/100] >> >> parametry modulu jsou na jedne strane (RedHat) modules.conf: >> alias eth0 3c59x >> options 3c59x options=1 full_duplex=1 >> a na druhe strane (v rc.local) >> modprobe 3c59x options=1 debug=3 full_duplex=1 hw_checksums=0 watchdog=100 >> >> Pomoci pingu (ping -s 1470 -f) lze tamtudy protlacit i 500 kB/s >> 1000 packets transmitted, 988 received, 1% loss, time 11729ms >> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.637/2.685/8.673/0.271 ms, pipe 2, ipg/ewma >> 11.741/2.662 ms >> >> Pri obou druzich prenosu, ping -f i FTP, rx a tx ledky blikaji prerusovane. >> Vzdy minimalne polovinu casu nesviti. Pri FTP stahovani je to asi takto: >> 50ms sviti obe, 250ms nesviti nic, a to periodicky. vypis tcpdumpu tomu >> odpovida. Proste se vzdy chvilku nic nevysila. Po hodine provozu vypadaji >> ifconfigy takto: >> strana a >> RX packets:192391 errors:1416 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:2012 ^^^^ ^^^^ >> TX packets:192570 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 >> RX bytes:269271433 (256.7 Mb) TX bytes:183837908 (175.3 Mb) >> strana b >> RX packets:183369 errors:171 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:313 nedavno jsem pri stavbe Ronjy narazil na podobny problem: spoj sice bezel, ale jen cca. 15~50kB/s. Chyba byla v tom, ze na jedne strane byla karta FullDuplex a na druhe HalfDuplex. Po prepnuti na Full spoj jel 1250kB/s :). Doufam, ze to nekomu pomuze. From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 18 23:35:30 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Nov 18 22:35:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja & ukonceni datovych kabelu In-Reply-To: <20031118215130.GI17168@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>; from marble@matfyz.cz on Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:51:30PM +0100 References: <20031118215130.GI17168@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20031118233530.A17166@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:51:30PM +0100, Martin Beranek wrote: > Ahoj, > > tak jsme koukal na ty datove kabely a ukoncovaci odpory (za ucelem > transformovani pro 50 ohmove kabely): > > - proc jsou ty rezistory 82 Ohm a ne 75 Ohm? (AUI R52, R76; TX R1) Protoze k tomu je jeste paralelne vstupni impedance toho zesilovace > > - proc je v AUI spojen stred kabelu pro RX se zemi (R52) a ne se > stinenim (tj. s +12V)? Nemel by byt ukoncovaci odpor vzdy mezi > stinenim a stredem toho koaxialu? Je to jedno. RX to tam pousti pres kondik. > > - co vsechno by se melo zmenit v RX modulu pro pouziti 50 Ohmoveho > kabelu? Nejak se v tom nezvladam vyznat ... :-) Ten odpor mezi 2 emitorama a zemi *=75/50 a ten odpor 75R na 50R Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Nov 19 09:58:10 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Nov 19 08:58:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky In-Reply-To: <001a01c3ae79$866be680$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 09:45:45AM +0100 References: <000b01c3ad4a$cbed7d70$3b6abfd5@rastr> <001a01c3ae79$866be680$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031119095810.A474@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 09:45:45AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Mas to na: http://www.dioptra.cz/index.php?J=1&L=30&K=1573 , je tam lupa ( large 5in/130mm lens) > Je to typ: D 032 - LCH RB13 G pozor ne LCH RB13 A , protoze A = plast, akrylat a G = glass, sklo > Je za cca 290,- . Ty jsou z optickeho hlediska v poradku. Nevim jak dlouho plast te cocky vydrzi na povetrnosti tak z tohohle hlediska to doporucit nijak nemuzu. Mozna budou mit jinou ohniskovou vzdalenost nez vietnamecke, to je potreba zmerit a rozdil pri vyrobe tubusu pricist/odecist. Cl< > > > -=RYS=- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DJ_BOY > To: Twibright Ronja > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:38 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Cocky > > > Cau lidi, jaky by meli mit parametry cocky pro ronju ? Chcem postavit s 75mm a 130mm cockama. Kdyby jste mi mohli poslat parametry pro ty cocky, byl bych vdecny. > > Diky > __________________________________________________________________ > Radovan > ICQ#: 89381273 > Current ICQ status: > + More ways to contact me > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Nov 19 10:02:42 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Nov 19 09:03:32 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky References: <000b01c3ad4a$cbed7d70$3b6abfd5@rastr> <001a01c3ae79$866be680$0101a8c0@cz> <20031119095810.A474@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <00f501c3ae7b$e6fda9a0$0101a8c0@cz> Ja doporucuji RB13G, protoze neni z plastu, ale ze skla. Mam to odzkousene...celkem rozumna optika s ohniskovou vzdalenosti 32cm. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 09:45:45AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Mas to na: http://www.dioptra.cz/index.php?J=1&L=30&K=1573 , je tam lupa ( large 5in/130mm lens) > > Je to typ: D 032 - LCH RB13 G pozor ne LCH RB13 A , protoze A = plast, akrylat a G = glass, sklo > > Je za cca 290,- . > > Ty jsou z optickeho hlediska v poradku. Nevim jak dlouho plast te cocky > vydrzi na povetrnosti tak z tohohle hlediska to doporucit nijak nemuzu. Mozna > budou mit jinou ohniskovou vzdalenost nez vietnamecke, to je potreba zmerit > a rozdil pri vyrobe tubusu pricist/odecist. > > Cl< > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: DJ_BOY > > To: Twibright Ronja > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:38 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] Cocky > > > > > > Cau lidi, jaky by meli mit parametry cocky pro ronju ? Chcem postavit s 75mm a 130mm cockama. Kdyby jste mi mohli poslat parametry pro ty cocky, byl bych vdecny. > > > > Diky > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Radovan > > ICQ#: 89381273 > > Current ICQ status: > > + More ways to contact me > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Nov 19 10:09:32 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Nov 19 09:09:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky In-Reply-To: <00f501c3ae7b$e6fda9a0$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:02:42AM +0100 References: <000b01c3ad4a$cbed7d70$3b6abfd5@rastr> <001a01c3ae79$866be680$0101a8c0@cz> <20031119095810.A474@beton.cybernet.src> <00f501c3ae7b$e6fda9a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031119100932.B512@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:02:42AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Ja doporucuji RB13G, protoze neni z plastu, ale ze skla. > Mam to odzkousene...celkem rozumna optika s ohniskovou vzdalenosti 32cm. Tak to ma o 2.5cm vetsi ohnisko nez ten Vietnam -> po prodlouzeni trubky se da bez problemu pouzit. Jestli je ze skla tak to je super. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Nov 19 11:59:58 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Nov 19 11:00:43 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky References: <000b01c3ad4a$cbed7d70$3b6abfd5@rastr> <001a01c3ae79$866be680$0101a8c0@cz> <20031119095810.A474@beton.cybernet.src> <00f501c3ae7b$e6fda9a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20031119100932.B512@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000801c3ae8c$4618f100$0101a8c0@cz> Jsou to 2 sklenene polokoule (lehce do zelena) slepene proti sobe. Nejlepsi vysledek jsem mel 326 mm (na 200m) na cervene LED nebo 348mm (na 200m) na infra LED. Dela to kruh na stene ... narozdil od plastu, pravda mirna presazenej , ale jinak v pohode. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Cocky > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:02:42AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Ja doporucuji RB13G, protoze neni z plastu, ale ze skla. > > Mam to odzkousene...celkem rozumna optika s ohniskovou vzdalenosti 32cm. > > Tak to ma o 2.5cm vetsi ohnisko nez ten Vietnam -> po prodlouzeni trubky se > da bez problemu pouzit. Jestli je ze skla tak to je super. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Nov 19 15:20:26 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Nov 19 14:20:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dotaz In-Reply-To: <008501c3aea6$6b5ee090$320a10ac@vnbma.cz>; from rudolf.krc@vnbma.cz on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 03:07:08PM +0100 References: <008501c3aea6$6b5ee090$320a10ac@vnbma.cz> Message-ID: <20031119152026.A827@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 03:07:08PM +0100, Rudolf Kr? wrote: > Ahoj, > shanim kontak na osbu vystupujici pod prezdivkou "shimi" http://ronja.twibright.com/contrib/shimi/ Cl< > Diky > Soptik > CZFree Ostrava From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Wed Nov 19 16:40:25 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (cipis) Date: Wed Nov 19 15:39:33 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dotaz References: <008501c3aea6$6b5ee090$320a10ac@vnbma.cz> <20031119152026.A827@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001a01c3aeb3$74ffb540$f601a8c0@reginet> to je marne, uz vic jak mesic mi neodpovedel na mail... Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Rudolf Kr?" Cc: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: [Ronja] Re: Dotaz On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 03:07:08PM +0100, Rudolf Kr? wrote: > Ahoj, > shanim kontak na osbu vystupujici pod prezdivkou "shimi" http://ronja.twibright.com/contrib/shimi/ Cl< > Diky > Soptik > CZFree Ostrava _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From tomekw at irc.pl Wed Nov 19 22:45:00 2003 From: tomekw at irc.pl (tomekw@irc.pl) Date: Wed Nov 19 21:45:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface test - HELP!!! Message-ID: <16524331416.20031119224500@irc.pl> Hello ALL, Can I plug 2 TP interface without RonjaTX and RonjaRX for test. /Out--------In\ NIC = TP Interface Tp Interface = NIC \In--------Out/ If I do that,I burn Ethernet NIC - yes or no? -- Best regards, tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Nov 20 00:15:33 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Wed Nov 19 23:15:38 2003 Subject: [Ronja] tistaky v pdf References: Message-ID: <002601c3aef3$08fead20$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> www.cipis.net/schimi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ales Pavel" To: "ronja" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:48 PM Subject: [Ronja] tistaky v pdf > ahoj kluci nemate nekdo tistaky od shimiho v pdf?:-)) > __________________________________________________________________ > Ales Pavel > ICQ#: 44615538 > Current ICQ status: > ( Work Tel#: +420777992792 > + More ways to contact me > __________________________________________________________________ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 20 08:07:08 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 20 07:07:18 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP / AUI transceiver[s|y] Message-ID: <20031120080708.B15004@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Have you got some TP/AUI trasceivers at home? Could you please take them and describe what you can see on them? a) Types of connectors b) LEDs and their labels c) Switches and their labels d) Additional labels and notes (type,...) Thanks, Ahoj Ma nekdo z vas doma nebo v praci nejake TP/AUI trasceivery? Mohli byste se prosim na ne podivat a napsat mi co je na nich videt? a) Typy konektoru b) LEDky a jejich popisky c) Prepinace a jejich popisky d) Dalsi popisky a poznamky (typ atd.) Diky, Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Nov 20 08:32:12 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (ladmanj@volny.cz) Date: Thu Nov 20 07:32:24 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface test - HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <16524331416.20031119224500@irc.pl> References: <16524331416.20031119224500@irc.pl> Message-ID: <10c40003f548d967b532ab5036208729@www2.mail.volny.cz> No, it is safe. Jakub Ladman ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: tomekw@irc.pl Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net P?edm?t: [Ronja] TP interface test - HELP!!! Datum: 19.11.2003 - 22:45:36 > Hello ALL, > > Can I plug 2 TP interface without RonjaTX and RonjaRX > for test. > /Out--------In\ > NIC = TP Interface Tp Interface = NIC > \In--------Out/ > If I do that,I burn Ethernet NIC - yes or no? > > > -- > Best regards, > tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Thu Nov 20 11:08:49 2003 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Thu Nov 20 10:09:33 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface In-Reply-To: <10c40003f548d967b532ab5036208729@www2.mail.volny.cz> References: <16524331416.20031119224500@irc.pl> <10c40003f548d967b532ab5036208729@www2.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: Hi all! As some of you had problems with TP interface I put some measurement points on the schematic as I promised. It can be downloaded from: http://vc.rdlab.carnet.hr/silvije/download/tpmod12mala.zip Silvije From jo_jo at post.cz Thu Nov 20 11:14:36 2003 From: jo_jo at post.cz (jo_jo) Date: Thu Nov 20 10:14:48 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LED/Photodiode measurements In-Reply-To: <20031118144259.A14770@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031118110951.GK17390@bing> <20031118123555.A14643@beton.cybernet.src> <20031118125055.GO17390@bing> <20031118144259.A14770@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <3FBC940C.3020602@post.cz> Karel Kulhav? wrote: >On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:50:55PM +1100, John Dalton wrote: > > >>>Have you got some datasheet please? >>> >>> >>http://www1.jaycar.com.au/products_uploaded/ZD-1790.pdf >> >>This is not the official Vishay datasheet, but a summary >>Jaycar wrote themselves. >> >>Looking at the Vishay website, the specs match the TLCR5800, >>so I guess that is what it is. >> >>http://www.vishay.com/docs/83178/83178.pdf >> >> > >This is unfortunately not suitable for Ronja -- too small >angle. > >Cl > > Excuse me but IMHO the smaller angle of view, the better LED is. Could you, please, explain a little bit your piont of view on this ? By IMHO, advantages of small angle of view: - you can use smaller diameter of lens - smaller lens is cheaper - thin lens suffer less of spherical optical defect than thick lens. With smaller angle of view you can use longer focus lenght -> thin lens - smaller angle of view - smaller spot on receiving side. It's by IMHO advantage. ( of cose, on condition that spot is always bigger than diameter of receiving lens ) From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Thu Nov 20 12:00:05 2003 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (fyfti) Date: Thu Nov 20 11:00:47 2003 Subject: Odp: [Ronja] TP interface References: <16524331416.20031119224500@irc.pl><10c40003f548d967b532ab5036208729@www2.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <000801c3af55$74a29980$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> > As some of you had problems with TP interface I put some measurement > points on the schematic as I promised. I see, that TPmod12mala is quite different from (earlier?) TPmod1.1... maybe this is the reason why my TPronja doasn't work !? Pitr From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Nov 20 09:58:32 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Nov 20 11:54:01 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface test - HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <10c40003f548d967b532ab5036208729@www2.mail.volny.cz> References: <16524331416.20031119224500@irc.pl> <10c40003f548d967b532ab5036208729@www2.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <1222679483.20031120095832@volny.cz> A co to napajeni? Nepokope se to tam nejak? OndraT lvc> No, it is safe. lvc> Jakub Ladman lvc> ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- lvc> Od: tomekw@irc.pl lvc> Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net lvc> P?edm?t: [Ronja] TP interface test - HELP!!! lvc> Datum: 19.11.2003 - 22:45:36 >> Hello ALL, >> >> Can I plug 2 TP interface without RonjaTX and RonjaRX >> for test. >> /Out--------In\ >> NIC = TP Interface Tp Interface = NIC >> \In--------Out/ >> If I do that,I burn Ethernet NIC - yes or no? >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ronja mailing list >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Nov 20 10:13:42 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Nov 20 11:54:03 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP / AUI transceiver[s|y] In-Reply-To: <20031120080708.B15004@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031120080708.B15004@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1943590268.20031120101342@volny.cz> Mam akorat 2 kusy konvertoru BNC-AUI a) AUI a BNC b) 1)- power - SQE 2)- heartbeat status and power indicator, amber:heartbeat selected on, green:heartbeat selected off, indicator OFF: no power or connection from dte. c) 1)- SQE ON/OFF 2)- SQE test switch (heartbeat) on/off d) plno nejakych kecu. Kdyby to k necemu bylo, tak to naskenuji a poslu. OndraT KK> Hello KK> Have you got some TP/AUI trasceivers at home? KK> Could you please take them and describe what you can see on them? KK> a) Types of connectors KK> b) LEDs and their labels KK> c) Switches and their labels KK> d) Additional labels and notes (type,...) KK> Thanks, KK> Ahoj KK> Ma nekdo z vas doma nebo v praci nejake TP/AUI trasceivery? KK> Mohli byste se prosim na ne podivat a napsat mi co je na nich videt? KK> a) Typy konektoru KK> b) LEDky a jejich popisky KK> c) Prepinace a jejich popisky KK> d) Dalsi popisky a poznamky (typ atd.) KK> Diky, KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Thu Nov 20 13:23:05 2003 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:23:08 2003 Subject: Odp: [Ronja] TP interface In-Reply-To: <000801c3af55$74a29980$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> References: <16524331416.20031119224500@irc.pl><10c40003f548d967b532ab5036208729@www2.mail.volny.cz> <000801c3af55$74a29980$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: > I see, that TPmod12mala is quite different from (earlier?) TPmod1.1... > maybe this is the reason why my TPronja doasn't work !? > No, this is not the reason. Schematic is functionaly the same, pin assignements on MC chips are changed becouse of nicer positions for pcb layout, nothing more... From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Nov 20 14:18:26 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (ladmanj@volny.cz) Date: Thu Nov 20 13:18:38 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface test - HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <1222679483.20031120095832@volny.cz> References: <16524331416.20031119224500@irc.pl> <10c40003f548d967b532ab5036208729@www2.mail.volny.cz> <1222679483.20031120095832@volny.cz> Message-ID: <95573e9c58e54b367e7f69a3743097c9@www1.mail.volny.cz> Pokud je mi znamo tak je to alespon na jedne strane vazano kapacitne. Jakub ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Ondrej Tesar" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: Re[2]: [Ronja] TP interface test - HELP!!! Datum: 20.11.2003 - 12:54:03 > A co to napajeni? Nepokope se to tam nejak? > > OndraT > > lvc> No, it is safe. > > lvc> Jakub Ladman > lvc> ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- > lvc> Od: tomekw@irc.pl > lvc> Komu: ronja@lists.pointless.net > lvc> P?edm?t: [Ronja] TP interface test - HELP!!! > lvc> Datum: 19.11.2003 - 22:45:36 > > >> Hello ALL, > >> > >> Can I plug 2 TP interface without RonjaTX and > >> RonjaRX > >> for test. > >> /Out--------In\ > >> NIC = TP Interface Tp Interface = NIC > >> \In--------Out/ > >> If I do that,I burn Ethernet NIC - yes or no? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> tomekw mailto:tomekw@irc.pl > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ronja mailing list > >> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 20 14:38:23 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 20 13:38:34 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Luxeon Message-ID: <20031120143823.A16226@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Is here someone from Prague who could give me some (very luminous if possible ;-) ) Luxeon? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 20 17:39:58 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 20 16:40:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] YCL 20F001N Message-ID: <20031120173958.A16370@beton.cybernet.src> Umite prosimvas nekdo v Praze rozumne kusove sehnat YCL 20F001N? Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Nov 20 18:42:24 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Nov 20 17:43:26 2003 Subject: [Ronja] YCL 20F001N References: <20031120173958.A16370@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002501c3af8d$a86d70e0$0101a8c0@cz> Karle vim o dvou moznosteh: 1) Ryston (minimalne za 1000,- coz je tusim 6 kusu) 2) z bazaru koupit NE2000 a vyletovat z ni filtr -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 5:39 PM Subject: [Ronja] YCL 20F001N > Umite prosimvas nekdo v Praze rozumne kusove sehnat YCL 20F001N? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From honza at hoidekr.net Thu Nov 20 18:58:53 2003 From: honza at hoidekr.net (Hoidekr Jan) Date: Thu Nov 20 17:59:07 2003 Subject: [Ronja] YCL 20F001N In-Reply-To: <002501c3af8d$a86d70e0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20031120173958.A16370@beton.cybernet.src> <002501c3af8d$a86d70e0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <3FBD00DD.3090207@hoidekr.net> Myslim, ze jsem za ne daval 150Kc v Rystonu. Tedy 7 ks do 1000Kc. Je treba se s nekym domluvit a koupit spolecne. NE2000 se da jeste celkem sehnat, ale je to historie Honza -=RYS=- wrote: > Karle vim o dvou moznosteh: > 1) Ryston (minimalne za 1000,- coz je tusim 6 kusu) > 2) z bazaru koupit NE2000 a vyletovat z ni filtr > > -=RYS=- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 5:39 PM > Subject: [Ronja] YCL 20F001N > > > >>Umite prosimvas nekdo v Praze rozumne kusove sehnat YCL 20F001N? >> >>Cl< >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From wpeople at ms.hu Thu Nov 20 19:46:35 2003 From: wpeople at ms.hu (Woodoo People .pGa!) Date: Thu Nov 20 18:46:51 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP / AUI transceiver[s|y] In-Reply-To: <1943590268.20031120101342@volny.cz> References: <20031120080708.B15004@beton.cybernet.src> <1943590268.20031120101342@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031120184635.GA4078@Shadow.ms.hu> Hi! I think, it will not work, because ronja needs fullduplex and i never saw a fullduplex BNC (koax) network... > Mam akorat 2 kusy konvertoru BNC-AUI > a) AUI a BNC > b) 1)- power > - SQE > 2)- heartbeat status and power indicator, amber:heartbeat selected > on, green:heartbeat selected off, indicator OFF: no power or > connection from dte. > c) 1)- SQE ON/OFF > 2)- SQE test switch (heartbeat) on/off > d) plno nejakych kecu. Kdyby to k necemu bylo, tak to naskenuji a > poslu. > > OndraT > > > > KK> Hello > > KK> Have you got some TP/AUI trasceivers at home? > KK> Could you please take them and describe what you can see on them? > > KK> a) Types of connectors > KK> b) LEDs and their labels > KK> c) Switches and their labels > KK> d) Additional labels and notes (type,...) > > KK> Thanks, > > KK> Ahoj > > KK> Ma nekdo z vas doma nebo v praci nejake TP/AUI trasceivery? > KK> Mohli byste se prosim na ne podivat a napsat mi co je na nich videt? > > KK> a) Typy konektoru > KK> b) LEDky a jejich popisky > KK> c) Prepinace a jejich popisky > KK> d) Dalsi popisky a poznamky (typ atd.) > > KK> Diky, > > KK> Cl< > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja -- WoodOO-[P]an[G]alaktikan[A]gent-People <][> http://shadow.pganet.com wpeople@shadow.pganet.com]iCQ#33118021[wpeople.on.iRCNet]wpeople@RedHat.users From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Thu Nov 20 20:37:09 2003 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (fyfti) Date: Thu Nov 20 19:37:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface References: <16524331416.20031119224500@irc.pl><10c40003f548d967b532ab5036208729@www2.mail.volny.cz><000801c3af55$74a29980$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <000f01c3af9d$afd36960$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> > > I see, that TPmod12mala is quite different from (earlier?) TPmod1.1... > > maybe this is the reason why my TPronja doasn't work !? > > > > > No, this is not the reason. Schematic is functionaly the same, pin > assignements on MC chips are changed becouse of nicer positions for pcb > layout, nothing more... ...but I'm talking about: IC2, IC6, IC7 & IC9... Pitr From klapek at kki.net.pl Thu Nov 20 21:22:27 2003 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Thu Nov 20 20:19:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP / AUI transceiver[s|y] In-Reply-To: <20031120080708.B15004@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031120080708.B15004@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311202122.27371.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Thursday 20 November 2003 08:07, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Have you got some TP/AUI trasceivers at home? > Could you please take them and describe what you can see on them? > > a) Types of connectors RJ45 and a D-SUB 15 male alike thing with some sort of bolts (?) instead of screws at the sides. > b) LEDs and their labels Power (Green), Collision (Red), Jabber (Red), Polarity Reversed (Yellow), Receive (Green), Transmit (Green), Link Status (Green). > c) Switches and their labels On/Offs: Link, SQE, Long Mode > d) Additional labels and notes (type,...) From the sticker: CSP (logo) MCTV-1D 10Base-T Micro Transceiver IEEE 802.3 Made in USA. I do also have a second transceiver from some different vendor, however I've lost the housing somewhere so I can't say much about it: RJ45 + D-SUB 15 male, two microswitches: Link and SQE (AFAIR), the whoel thing is built on a single NCR 92C03M chip (surface mount), 7805 (yes, the big one in TO-220!) a Valor FL1012 transformer (thru-hole) for TP and a Valor ST7033 (transformer? surface-mount, 16 pin) for AUI, xtal resonator (cylindircal) of unknown freq, plus some smd capacitors and resistors. LEDs the same as in the above transceiver. Greets, Tomek Koprowski From hwsoft at penguin.cz Thu Nov 20 22:08:42 2003 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Thu Nov 20 21:08:51 2003 Subject: [Ronja] YCL 20F001N In-Reply-To: <20031120173958.A16370@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031120173958.A16370@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031120210842.GC20309@mail.ignum.cz> Karel Kulhav? pise: > Umite prosimvas nekdo v Praze rozumne kusove sehnat YCL 20F001N? Nechces spis konektor i s trafickem? Myslim ze byly za 200/kus i na 100MBit. -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Nov 20 22:13:19 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Nov 20 21:13:26 2003 Subject: [Ronja] YCL 20F001N In-Reply-To: <20031120173958.A16370@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031120173958.A16370@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <10324208905.20031120221319@volny.cz> Ahoj, pokud jsou to ty oddelovaci TP trafka, tak jsme jich s StB par koupili, takze muzu odprodat. OndraT KK> Umite prosimvas nekdo v Praze rozumne kusove sehnat YCL 20F001N? KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 20 22:40:38 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 20 21:40:43 2003 Subject: [Ronja] tistaky v pdf In-Reply-To: <002601c3aef3$08fead20$4d46a8c0@cipis.net>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 12:15:33AM +0100 References: <002601c3aef3$08fead20$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <20031120224038.A31037@beton.cybernet.src> Diky, pridal jsem je do adresare contrib/shimi/pdf-ps-converted/ v modules na strance Ronji Cl< On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 12:15:33AM +0100, Cipis wrote: > www.cipis.net/schimi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ales Pavel" > To: "ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:48 PM > Subject: [Ronja] tistaky v pdf > > > > ahoj kluci nemate nekdo tistaky od shimiho v pdf?:-)) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Ales Pavel > > ICQ#: 44615538 > > Current ICQ status: > > ( Work Tel#: +420777992792 > > + More ways to contact me > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From fyfti at netway.elk.pl Fri Nov 21 01:22:28 2003 From: fyfti at netway.elk.pl (fyfti) Date: Fri Nov 21 00:23:12 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP interface References: <16524331416.20031119224500@irc.pl><10c40003f548d967b532ab5036208729@www2.mail.volny.cz><000801c3af55$74a29980$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> <000f01c3af9d$afd36960$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> Message-ID: <000601c3afc5$8c0287a0$0c5762d9@netway.elk.pl> Well done... ...my tp is working!... & working very nice. I tested it only with ping (on loopback), but I belive field test result will be as good as I expect. Great tnkz Silvije!! & sorry 4 taking your time. Pitr From xkutale1 at fi.muni.cz Fri Nov 21 11:04:16 2003 From: xkutale1 at fi.muni.cz (David Kutalek) Date: Fri Nov 21 10:04:25 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Luxeon In-Reply-To: <20031120143823.A16226@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031120143823.A16226@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <3FBDE320.6040006@fi.muni.cz> Hola, mel jsem celkem tri. Jeden jsem daval Ladovy Myslikovi, asi ho jeste nekde ma. Zkus se ho zeptat, jestli ho jeste potrebuje. Jinak me doma v supliku jeste lezi dalsi dva kousky, takze ti jeden klidne pujcim, sam s tim nic nenadelam. Nekdy do Vanoc snad do Prahy pojedu, takze pokud by nevysel Lada tak se ozvi. Kuty Karel Kulhav? wrote: >Hello > >Is here someone from Prague who could give me some (very luminous >if possible ;-) ) Luxeon? > >Cl< > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 04:46:21 2003 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Fri Nov 21 12:46:30 2003 Subject: [Ronja] BFL..LENS..LEDS..ANGLE DEGREE..INFO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> NECLARITIES.. i was gone to an good optician and after some measurement he said that my 126mm dia lens with 300mm bfl have +3 DIOPTER. and another 126mm dia lens with 180mm bfl have +5 DIOPTER.. i think is an general rule... 126mm with 300mm bfl- have +3 Diopter..so. that it's what we need for lond distance. He said 2 me that if my lens is too thick(+5 diopter),Tx will have less power intensity cause ordinary chinesee lens have more absortion. One step is gone.. but still remain another ..RX What lens should i have 2 put at my RX for maximum gain?. if i put +3 Diopter i'll have long focal length,but with some loses intensity light ; and for +5 Diopter..have less focal length but loses from thick absortion... hm.. i don't know what 2 say..some good advices would be nice.. In many infrared parts.pdf's can find info. about angle degree leds.If they said if 1 oled have 20 angle degree.. that mean..total or half angle? ex. hpwt-bd00-f4000.. 50 angle.. mean.. total angle? btw, how can i make some calculation 2 obtain an good lens for my infrared led's? (hal angle +/-22 deg.) Fresnel lens are good for infrared ?(instead of chinesee lens..) but plastic lens with high precision (mineral optics) ? if ventor said in his pdf that UI-Tp transceiver suport 10BaseT (CSMDA/CD).. THIS PARTS. will work half duplx?. or i can fake this?. DO they make auto negotiation with Switches? some opinions about Surecom EP-201T AUI-TP transciver?. is half or full duplex? (even with some basic modification in hardware) anyway.. tks.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 21 18:19:35 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Nov 21 17:19:45 2003 Subject: [Ronja] BFL..LENS..LEDS..ANGLE DEGREE..INFO In-Reply-To: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com>; from sorin_a99@yahoo.com on Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 04:46:21AM -0800 References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> > gain?. if i put +3 Diopter i'll have long focal > length,but with some loses intensity light ; and for > +5 Diopter..have less focal length but loses from Use definitely 3 diopter. > thick absortion... hm.. i don't know what 2 say..some > good advices would be nice.. > In many infrared parts.pdf's can find info. about > angle degree leds.If they said if 1 oled have 20 angle > degree.. that mean..total or half angle? ex. This is always problems. People are lazy specifying if it's total included or half angle. But without this bit of information the whole information is absolutely useless. Cl< From bobriks at volny.cz Sat Nov 22 04:03:27 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (bobriks@volny.cz) Date: Sat Nov 22 03:03:30 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: Ahoj, pred tydnem jsme se celkem snad poctvrte ci popate pokouseli zprovoznit Ronju v Praze mezi Ujezdem a Ventusem (cca 1100m). Doslo i na vymenu HPWT-BD00 za infra HSDL-4230. Vysledek opet nula: amplituda idle 1MHz na osciloskopu 50mV, zelena LED na AUI spolehlive zhasnuta, ale ping ani tuk! V jedine svetle chvilce se nam podarilo jakztakz s prijatelnym PL pingat z Ventusu na Ujezd. Ale druhy den pres veskerou snahu a na osciloskopu srovnatelny signal opet ani to ne. Fakt je, ze nas set neni presne podle Clockova navodu. Ale upravy mechaniky nejsou pro nas dosavadni neuspech podstatne, otazkou jsou mozna tistaky, pouzite ve vsech castech naseho zarizeni. Preposilam sem proto muj mail Vaskovi Stepanovi, ktery spolu s Davidem (simlike) se mnou uz pokolikate na cele akci obetave spolupracoval. Nechci plane narikat, ale v zajmu pokroku si musime rict otevrene i o nasich neuspesich. Nize uvedene obecne myslenky mi zkratka nedaji spat. :o) Omluvte prosim velky rozsah tohoto prispevku. ----- Puvodni zprava ------ > Bavili jsme se s Davidem o vasem testu s IR a jeste mne > napadla > jedna vec, totiz jestli to neni tim, ze ta 3c509b co je > v Charlesovi > na tohle proste nema. Clock se o ni vyjadruje dost > zamitave a tohle > jsou pekne mezni podminky. > Jestli to mate vyladene, pojdme zkusit prohodit ty > sitovky > (doufam, ze je v Charlesovi nejaky pouzitelny PCI > slot). > Jestli dosahneme zase jednostranneho prenosu, ted > opacnym smerem, > mohlo by stacit sehnat druhou 3c900b misto ni. > Co si o tom myslis? > Vasek > -- > Vaclav Stepan Ahoj Vasku, po domluve se muzes u me stavit Po-Ct od 15:00 do vecera a karty vymenit/otestovat. Na PCI se prosim zeptej Oty, nebo se podivam do Charlese ja, ale az v Po. Osobne si myslim, ze problem je spise ve spatne kvalite signalu pres optocast, nez v kartach. Minulonedelni neuspech s IR me velice mrzi. Vsechno skvele nahravalo: dostupnost soucastek, ja o vikendu v Praze, pocasi, David suprove spolupracoval.... A nic! :-((( Nekde je zasadni bota a nevim kde. Blby je, ze nevime pri jakem signalu na osciloskopu jeste uspokojive prochazeji data. Zelena LED na AUI o tomhle nevypovida. Napadaji me ted jen radikalni reseni od RX (a TX) na vrabcim hnizdu, pres nahradu AUI TPckem, az po nahradu Clockova analogoveho digitalnim vyhodnocenim RX signalu. Dale samozrejme uprava mechaniky a bezpodminecne mechanicke oddeleni TX a RX. Ja ted na chalupe makam na ctyrech novych mechanikach bez toho ctyrsroubeho kosoctverce. Stepik u Deua sice tvrdil, ze po mnohacetnych zkusenostech uz dokazou nastavit Crusadery i na nem, ale ja mu proste po mych zkusenostech neverim. Az to dodelam, vrhnu se pravdepodobne do dvou RX (mozna i TX) na vrabcich hnizdech. Radsi bych se sice ze vseho nejvic pustil do nejake te zasadni rekonstrukce zapojeni, do TP, do referencniho mericiho pracoviste a testovaci trasy v terenu. Ale pro nase aktualni potreby by to bylo nadlouho. Ono i tak se uz nebezpecne blizi vanoce. :-| Az bude mit Ronja takove know-how jako ma Crusader, nebude mit o nic horsi technicke parametry. Me u ni drzi jeji komunitni duch, at uz mu rikame GNU-GPL, twibrght.com, Ronja mailing list nebo jakkoliv. Tohle Crusader nema a nebude mit, i kdyz uz bude v prodeji. Crusader postupuje oproti Ronje rychle proto, ze jeho tym ridi cilevedome Deu a smeruje do nej externi financni toky. Ty mu pomahaji, ale i komercne zavazuji. Vyvoj Ronji je proti tomu chaoticky, nekoordinovany. Kazdy vyvojar je individuum s vlastni motivaci, ktere nema proc by se nechavalo svazovat cizimi idejemi. twibright.com je prehlidkou uspechu, neni tam prakticky nic o neuspesich. Takovy happy promotion si muze dovolit alphawave, protoze jeho lidi si vse vyrikaji kazdy den z oci do oci. Ronja mailing list je OK, ale pomijivy a neusporadany. Ja bych dokazal udelat jednoduchy php/MySQL systematicky web s on-line prispivanim kohokoliv zaregistrovaneho, prehledem financi na vyvoj atd. atd. Ten by snad osobni kontakt crusaderovcu do jiste miry suploval. Ale delam jine veci, viz vyse. Fakt proste je, ze Ronja nema exaktne dolozene vysledne technicke parametry a kus od kusu se (podstatne) lisi. Neexistuje zadna reprodukovatelna reference. Bude ji v dostatecne mire Clockuv sniffer? Vznika bez verejne konzultace, asi jen podle jeho dobreho vedomi a svedomi. Dokud proste nebudu drzet v ruce dve radne otestovane soupravy, stoprocentne funkcni na 1100m, tezko me nekdo v nejblizsich tydnech na strechy Ujezda a Ventusu dostane. ;-) Standa -- VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Nov 22 05:08:49 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Nov 22 04:11:33 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000801c3b0ae$56d4f1a0$0101a8c0@cz> Cau Stando jsem predevcirem koupil osazene DPS Crusadra a na stole to chodi bez problemu. Zatim buzeno ML6652, ale Dargos mi uz posila jeho verzi laser TX s MAXem. Mam chut (po uprave zdroje) tam dat 50mW lasery...to uz snad pojede jak das. Prece jenom....laserem se da mlha "umlatit"....dnesni nocni mlha: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/st200m_mlha.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/st300m_mlha.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/st400m_mlha.jpg Nevycitej klukum z Andela, ze to maj drahy...pro firmy (ktere zaplati vyvoj) to je naopak levne. Jinak je si myslim uplne jedno kterou optikou spojis Ujezd a Ventus....dulezite je abys to vubec spojil. Takze drzim palce se sestavenim linky..... -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:03 AM Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti > Ahoj, > > pred tydnem jsme se celkem snad poctvrte ci popate > pokouseli zprovoznit Ronju v Praze mezi Ujezdem > a Ventusem (cca 1100m). Doslo i na vymenu HPWT-BD00 > za infra HSDL-4230. Vysledek opet nula: amplituda > idle 1MHz na osciloskopu 50mV, zelena LED na AUI > spolehlive zhasnuta, ale ping ani tuk! V jedine > svetle chvilce se nam podarilo jakztakz s prijatelnym > PL pingat z Ventusu na Ujezd. Ale druhy den pres > veskerou snahu a na osciloskopu srovnatelny signal > opet ani to ne. Fakt je, ze nas set neni presne podle > Clockova navodu. Ale upravy mechaniky nejsou pro nas > dosavadni neuspech podstatne, otazkou jsou mozna > tistaky, pouzite ve vsech castech naseho zarizeni. > > > Preposilam sem proto muj mail Vaskovi Stepanovi, > ktery spolu s Davidem (simlike) se mnou uz pokolikate > na cele akci obetave spolupracoval. Nechci plane > narikat, ale v zajmu pokroku si musime rict otevrene > i o nasich neuspesich. Nize uvedene obecne myslenky > mi zkratka nedaji spat. :o) > Omluvte prosim velky rozsah tohoto prispevku. > > > ----- Puvodni zprava ------ > > > Bavili jsme se s Davidem o vasem testu s IR a jeste mne > > napadla > > jedna vec, totiz jestli to neni tim, ze ta 3c509b co je > > v Charlesovi > > na tohle proste nema. Clock se o ni vyjadruje dost > > zamitave a tohle > > jsou pekne mezni podminky. > > Jestli to mate vyladene, pojdme zkusit prohodit ty > > sitovky > > (doufam, ze je v Charlesovi nejaky pouzitelny PCI > > slot). > > Jestli dosahneme zase jednostranneho prenosu, ted > > opacnym smerem, > > mohlo by stacit sehnat druhou 3c900b misto ni. > > Co si o tom myslis? > > Vasek > > -- > > Vaclav Stepan > > Ahoj Vasku, po domluve se muzes u me > stavit Po-Ct od 15:00 do vecera a karty > vymenit/otestovat. Na PCI se prosim zeptej > Oty, nebo se podivam do Charlese ja, ale > az v Po. Osobne si myslim, ze problem je > spise ve spatne kvalite signalu pres optocast, > nez v kartach. > > Minulonedelni neuspech s IR me velice mrzi. > Vsechno skvele nahravalo: dostupnost > soucastek, ja o vikendu v Praze, pocasi, > David suprove spolupracoval.... A nic! :-((( > > Nekde je zasadni bota a nevim kde. Blby > je, ze nevime pri jakem signalu na osciloskopu > jeste uspokojive prochazeji data. Zelena LED > na AUI o tomhle nevypovida. Napadaji me ted jen > radikalni reseni od RX (a TX) na vrabcim > hnizdu, pres nahradu AUI TPckem, az po nahradu > Clockova analogoveho digitalnim vyhodnocenim > RX signalu. Dale samozrejme uprava mechaniky > a bezpodminecne mechanicke oddeleni TX a RX. > > Ja ted na chalupe makam na ctyrech novych > mechanikach bez toho ctyrsroubeho kosoctverce. > Stepik u Deua sice tvrdil, ze po mnohacetnych > zkusenostech uz dokazou nastavit Crusadery > i na nem, ale ja mu proste po mych zkusenostech > neverim. Az to dodelam, vrhnu se pravdepodobne > do dvou RX (mozna i TX) na vrabcich hnizdech. > Radsi bych se sice ze vseho nejvic pustil do > nejake te zasadni rekonstrukce zapojeni, do TP, > do referencniho mericiho pracoviste a testovaci > trasy v terenu. Ale pro nase aktualni potreby > by to bylo nadlouho. Ono i tak se uz nebezpecne > blizi vanoce. :-| > > Az bude mit Ronja takove know-how jako ma Crusader, > nebude mit o nic horsi technicke parametry. Me > u ni drzi jeji komunitni duch, at uz mu rikame > GNU-GPL, twibrght.com, Ronja mailing list nebo > jakkoliv. Tohle Crusader nema a nebude mit, i kdyz > uz bude v prodeji. Crusader postupuje oproti Ronje > rychle proto, ze jeho tym ridi cilevedome Deu a > smeruje do nej externi financni toky. Ty mu > pomahaji, ale i komercne zavazuji. Vyvoj Ronji > je proti tomu chaoticky, nekoordinovany. Kazdy > vyvojar je individuum s vlastni motivaci, ktere > nema proc by se nechavalo svazovat cizimi idejemi. twibright.com > je prehlidkou uspechu, neni tam prakticky nic o neuspesich. > Takovy happy promotion > si muze dovolit alphawave, protoze jeho lidi si vse > vyrikaji kazdy den z oci do oci. Ronja mailing list > je OK, ale pomijivy a neusporadany. Ja bych dokazal > udelat jednoduchy php/MySQL systematicky web > s on-line prispivanim kohokoliv zaregistrovaneho, > prehledem financi na vyvoj atd. atd. Ten by snad > osobni kontakt crusaderovcu do jiste miry suploval. > Ale delam jine veci, viz vyse. > > Fakt proste je, ze Ronja nema exaktne dolozene > vysledne technicke parametry a kus od kusu se > (podstatne) lisi. Neexistuje zadna reprodukovatelna > reference. Bude ji v dostatecne mire Clockuv sniffer? > Vznika bez verejne konzultace, asi jen podle jeho > dobreho vedomi a svedomi. Dokud proste nebudu drzet > v ruce dve radne otestovane soupravy, stoprocentne > funkcni na 1100m, tezko me nekdo v nejblizsich tydnech > na strechy Ujezda a Ventusu dostane. ;-) > > Standa > > > -- > VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu > a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! > http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 22 11:21:33 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 22 10:21:37 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <000801c3b0ae$56d4f1a0$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 05:08:49AM +0100 References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3b0ae$56d4f1a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031122112133.A17767@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 05:08:49AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Cau Stando > jsem predevcirem koupil osazene DPS Crusadra a na stole to chodi bez Muzes nafotit co nejpodrobneji obe strany vsech tistaku a dat to nekam na web? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 22 11:41:59 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 22 10:42:02 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <000801c3b0ae$56d4f1a0$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 05:08:49AM +0100 References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3b0ae$56d4f1a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031122114159.C17767@beton.cybernet.src> > > Az bude mit Ronja takove know-how jako ma Crusader, > > nebude mit o nic horsi technicke parametry. Me Soudis projekt Ronja podle chovani mechaniky a elektroniky, ktera s ni temer nema nic spolecneho. To se mi Stando vubec nelibi, ze ji takhle neopravnene shazujes. Kdybys to postavil podle navodu Ronja 10M Metropolis, tak ti garantuju, ze ti ta linka jela na prvni pokus. Co jsem ti Stando udelal, ze na muj projekt Ronja kydas takovymhle zpusobem spinu? Co se tyce technickych parametru navrhu Ronja 10M Metropolis, ty jsou uvedeny na http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/spec.php. Kde jsou verejne uvedeny podrobne technicke parametry Crusadera nevim, ale z doslechu mam, ze ma asi 60% dosahu co ma Ronja. Muzes uvest prameny, na zaklade kterych se odvazujes implicitne tvrdit, ze Ronja ma horsi technicke parametry nez Crusader? Cl< > > u ni drzi jeji komunitni duch, at uz mu rikame > > GNU-GPL, twibrght.com, Ronja mailing list nebo > > jakkoliv. Tohle Crusader nema a nebude mit, i kdyz > > uz bude v prodeji. Crusader postupuje oproti Ronje > > rychle proto, ze jeho tym ridi cilevedome Deu a > > smeruje do nej externi financni toky. Ty mu > > pomahaji, ale i komercne zavazuji. Vyvoj Ronji > > je proti tomu chaoticky, nekoordinovany. Kazdy > > vyvojar je individuum s vlastni motivaci, ktere > > nema proc by se nechavalo svazovat cizimi idejemi. twibright.com > > je prehlidkou uspechu, neni tam prakticky nic o neuspesich. > > Takovy happy promotion > > si muze dovolit alphawave, protoze jeho lidi si vse > > vyrikaji kazdy den z oci do oci. Ronja mailing list > > je OK, ale pomijivy a neusporadany. Ja bych dokazal > > udelat jednoduchy php/MySQL systematicky web > > s on-line prispivanim kohokoliv zaregistrovaneho, > > prehledem financi na vyvoj atd. atd. Ten by snad > > osobni kontakt crusaderovcu do jiste miry suploval. > > Ale delam jine veci, viz vyse. > > > > Fakt proste je, ze Ronja nema exaktne dolozene > > vysledne technicke parametry a kus od kusu se > > (podstatne) lisi. Neexistuje zadna reprodukovatelna > > reference. Bude ji v dostatecne mire Clockuv sniffer? > > Vznika bez verejne konzultace, asi jen podle jeho > > dobreho vedomi a svedomi. Dokud proste nebudu drzet > > v ruce dve radne otestovane soupravy, stoprocentne > > funkcni na 1100m, tezko me nekdo v nejblizsich tydnech > > na strechy Ujezda a Ventusu dostane. ;-) > > > > Standa From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 22 11:56:53 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 22 10:56:55 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: ; from bobriks@volny.cz on Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 04:03:27AM +0100 References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031122115653.D17767@beton.cybernet.src> > Fakt proste je, ze Ronja nema exaktne dolozene > vysledne technicke parametry a kus od kusu se Ronja ma exaktne dolozene technicke parametry. http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/spec.php > (podstatne) lisi. Neexistuje zadna reprodukovatelna > reference. Bude ji v dostatecne mire Clockuv sniffer? Existuje. Reprodukovatelne reference Ronja 10M Metropolis ktery je na URL http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ Pokud to postavis podle toho navodu, pojede ti to na prvni pokus. Muj sniffer je/bude pridavne zarizeni na zamerovani linek ktere ma zvysit komfort zamerovani. Linka jde zamerit i bez snifferu ale obtizneji. > Vznika bez verejne konzultace, asi jen podle jeho > dobreho vedomi a svedomi. Dokud proste nebudu drzet > v ruce dve radne otestovane soupravy, stoprocentne > funkcni na 1100m, tezko me nekdo v nejblizsich tydnech > na strechy Ujezda a Ventusu dostane. ;-) Ja ti fakt nemuzu za to ze jsi to postavil v hrubem rozporu s navodem a ted places nad rozlitym mlekem. Neni to ovsem duvod k tomu abys Ronju jakkoliv pomlouval. Pokud mas stale pocit, ze tvoje tvrzeni jsou opravnena, tak je prosim dokaz a to nejlepe zde na mailing listu, abych tve vytky mohl rovnou prijmout jako bugreport. Cl< > > Standa From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 22 11:59:52 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 22 10:59:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: dokumentace k autonegot TP interfacu In-Reply-To: <007301c3b093$035159d0$0202a8c0@pc1>; from krestan@hw.cz on Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 01:53:14AM +0100 References: <20031118092918.25295.qmail@deusystems.cz> <007301c3b093$035159d0$0202a8c0@pc1> Message-ID: <20031122115952.E17767@beton.cybernet.src> > > This is the message: > > > > Ahoj > > > > Mohl bys prosimte udelat tu dokumentaci toho TP interfacu s tim Xilinx > CPLD a Atmelem? Diky. Odpoved mi posli prosim na clock@twibright.com > > Udelam to hned, jak bude cas. Ted jdu s tim pokusne instalovat jeden spoj, > tak az to pojede, udelam dokumentaci. Jinak s tim Xilinxem, myslis, ze ma > cenu to CPLD prodavat naprogramovane? Spoustu lidi bude mit problem v tom, > ze nema JTAG interface a taky je k tomu potreba sw od Xilinxe. S autoneg. to > zadny zazrak neni, ja jsem ji ted docasne zrusil, protoze tam mam jen > XC95C36, coz je na to moc male, radeji jsem to doplnil o jine funkce. Pokud > se tam da XC95C72, tak se tam vejde vsechno, ale ten uz v supliku dosel a > cestu zatim do Asixu nemam. Taky je ale znacny rozdil v cene, 36ka je za > 105Kc a 72ka za 350Kc. > > Michal Bylo by prosimte mozne zaridit, aby ten program, vypalovaci software i HW navrh toho programatoru pro ten Xilinx byly volne siritelne? Jinak asi nebude mozne je zaradit do GPL projektu Ronja protoze nebude mozno je bez proprietarnich prostredku editovat. Pro PICky existuji volne siritelne vypalovaci softy i programatory. Cl< From jan.martinu at post.cz Sat Nov 22 15:49:00 2003 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?=) Date: Sat Nov 22 14:45:40 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: References: <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311221549.01029.jan.martinu@post.cz> To, ze vam to nechodi muze bet klidne tema kartama - nam (Hell) to taky nebehalo (970m) a pak se zjistilo, ze pod FreeBSD je na 3c900 mizerackej ovladac. Zkuste na obou stranach rozjet pod dosem testovaci soft primo od 3comu a nepouzivat nejakej pochybnej ping. A jeste poznamka: Ronja je zarizeni podle hesla "Za malo penez hodne muziky" a tomu taky odpovida konstrukce elektroniky. Navic to zvladne clovek vyrobit doma na kolene bez specialniho vybaveni. Kdo chce luxus (tovarni DPS, jednoduche zamerovani atd.), musi si holt poradne priplatit. From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 22 16:23:04 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 22 15:23:13 2003 Subject: [Ronja] How to solder correctly Message-ID: <20031122162304.A3260@beton.cybernet.src> I have added special visual information on correct soldering into Fundamentals of Manufacturing Operation http://ronja.twibright.com/fundamentals.php I hope from now, noone will happen to do any cold joint anymore :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 22 16:30:13 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 22 15:30:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <200311221549.01029.jan.martinu@post.cz>; from jan.martinu@post.cz on Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 03:49:00PM +0100 References: <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> <200311221549.01029.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <20031122163013.B3260@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 03:49:00PM +0100, Jan Martin? wrote: > To, ze vam to nechodi muze bet klidne tema kartama - nam (Hell) to taky > nebehalo (970m) a pak se zjistilo, ze pod FreeBSD je na 3c900 mizerackej > ovladac. Co delal ten mizerackej ovladac? Nezablokovala se karta nahodou pritom kdyz prijimala nahodny signal z prijimace kdyz jeste nebyla linka zamerena? > Zkuste na obou stranach rozjet pod dosem testovaci soft primo od 3comu a > nepouzivat nejakej pochybnej ping. A jeste poznamka: Ronja je zarizeni podle V cem je ping pochybnej? > hesla "Za malo penez hodne muziky" a tomu taky odpovida konstrukce > elektroniky. Navic to zvladne clovek vyrobit doma na kolene bez specialniho > vybaveni. Kdo chce luxus (tovarni DPS, jednoduche zamerovani atd.), musi si > holt poradne priplatit. Luxus v podobe tovarnich DPS a jednoducheho zamerovani se chysta i u Ronji - zamerovani se jmenuje Trinitrack (sniffer) a pracuje se na nem. Na DPS se bude pracovat az se dodela tohle a TP interface na ktery je ted sbirka na czfree (TP bude uz na DPS takze vlastne bude na DPS akutne potreba spolehlive dat uz jen RX a TX). Co se tyce 3c509 a 3c900, lisi se kvalitou fazoveho zavesu. Nevim to jiste, ale domnivam se, ze 3c900 ma nejaky high-tech analogovy zaves (je tam videt spousta analogariny kolem toho chipu na te desce) zatimco 3c509 ma nejaky lowend integrovany fazovy zaves reseny digitalni formou primo na cipu. 3c509 proto chodi d Ronjou na o neco mensi vzdalenost nez 3c900. Ale nemyslim ze to je takovy rozdil aby se kvuli tomu nepodarilo zamerit linku - my jsme to tady s brainem tuhle zkouseli prohazovat a akorat pri tech 3c509 byl vetsi packetloss coz znamena ze rozdil neni zas tak kriticky. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 22 16:53:09 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 22 15:53:11 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Introducing 3D pictures into the guide / zavedeni 3D obrazku do navodu Message-ID: <20031122165309.A3321@beton.cybernet.src> Hello For enhanced comprehensibility of the guide / building manual I have introduced the 3D picture technology ( ;-) ) into the guides. At the moment only RX and TX populated boxes are available. But hope I'll add more images this way. They are much more explaining than the old flat 2D images. See yourself http://images.twibright.com/tns/d39.html http://images.twibright.com/tns/d3a.html http://ronja.twibright.com/receiver/building.php (bottom of the page) http://ronja.twibright.com/transmitter/building.php (bottom) Ahoj Zavedl jsem do navodu ke stavbe Metropolis technologii ( ;-) ) stereo obrazku, aby byl navod lepe pochopitelny. V soucasnosti jsou pouze stereo fotky vnitrku receiveru a transmitteru. Budu se ale snazit pridavat dalsi obrazky tohoto druhu. Jsou mnohem nazornejsi nez stare ploche 2D obrazky. Posudte sami. http://images.twibright.com/tns/d39.html http://images.twibright.com/tns/d3a.html http://ronja.twibright.com/receiver/building.php (bottom of the page) http://ronja.twibright.com/transmitter/building.php (bottom) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 22 22:40:35 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 22 21:40:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <200311221937.40240.jan.martinu@post.cz>; from jan.martinu@post.cz on Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 07:37:40PM +0100 References: <200311221549.01029.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031122163013.B3260@beton.cybernet.src> <200311221937.40240.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <20031122224035.A6584@beton.cybernet.src> > > V cem je ping pochybnej? > To, jestli se da propingnout mezi dvema stroji je ovlivneno mnoha faktory a > nemusi to vubec souviset s hw (v tomto pripade s Ronjou) To nechapu - kdyz se nastavi fixni ARP a spravne routovani tak to zalezi jenom na hardware, nebo na cem dalsim by to jeste zalezelo? > > > Luxus v podobe tovarnich DPS a jednoducheho zamerovani se chysta i u Ronji > > - zamerovani se jmenuje Trinitrack (sniffer) a pracuje se na nem. Na DPS > > se bude pracovat az se dodela tohle a TP interface na ktery je ted sbirka > > na czfree (TP bude uz na DPS takze vlastne bude na DPS akutne potreba > > spolehlive dat uz jen RX a TX). > Na DPS mi vadi, z toho, co jsem cetl, ze jedinou moznosti bude nechat si je > vyrobit nebo je koupit. Nebo ne? Cena pekne vylitne. No jasne. Nez si delat DPS podomacku to uz vyjde rychleji a mene pracneji to vrabci hnizdo. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 22 23:25:50 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 22 22:25:52 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <200311222255.15431.jan.martinu@post.cz>; from jan.martinu@post.cz on Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 10:55:15PM +0100 References: <200311221937.40240.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031122224035.A6584@beton.cybernet.src> <200311222255.15431.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <20031122232550.A6715@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 10:55:15PM +0100, Jan Martin? wrote: > On jde udelat DPS i podomacku rychle a levne (mam v tom celkem praxi), jen tam > nesmeji byt takove vifikundace, jako prokovy a vicevrstvy. Konstrukce vrabci > hnizdo - pokud se udela precizne je ale stejne nejlepsi. Tak v tom pripade bys to asi podomacku udelat mohl - budou tam akorat prokovy ktere muzes nahradit kouskem dratku na obou stranach zaletovanym. Vystupm gEDA PCB kdyz se da export do PS (na tisk na laserovku na domaci vyrobu) ma uz takovy znacicky kde se to ma vyvrtat coz se tady velice hodi. Cl< From bobriks at volny.cz Sun Nov 23 08:12:52 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (bobriks@volny.cz) Date: Sun Nov 23 08:12:56 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <20031122232550.A6715@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200311221937.40240.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031122224035.A6584@beton.cybernet.src> <200311222255.15431.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031122232550.A6715@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <5a939fe5e28f3f3f4c3fa87c6f734d63@www2.mail.volny.cz> "-=RYS=-" > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/st200m_mlha.jpg > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/st300m_mlha.jpg > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/collimator/collimator2/st400m_mlha.jpg Ahoj, impozantni fotky, gratuluju. Nema ale laser oproti LED vetsi problemy s chvenim atmosfery? > Nevycitej klukum z Andela, ze to maj drahy...pro firmy > (ktere zaplati vyvoj) to je naopak levne. Jasne, ja absolutne klukum z Andela nic nevycitam, ani jsem nehodnotil, jestli maj Crusadera drahyho nebo levnyho. ;-) > Takze drzim palce se sestavenim linky..... -=RYS=- Diky moc, verim, ze to rozbehame. "Karel Kulhav?" > > Az bude mit Ronja takove know-how jako ma Crusader, > > nebude mit o nic horsi technicke parametry. Me > > Soudis projekt Ronja podle chovani mechaniky a elektroniky, ktera s > ni temer nema nic spolecneho. To se mi Stando vubec nelibi, ze ji > takhle neopravnene shazujes. Projekt Ronja samozrejme neshazuju!! Naopak pisu, ze zcela sympatizuju s jeho duchem. Kritizuju pouze dilci nedostatky, jejichz naprava by me jako po x-te neuspesneho usera potesila a hlavne by me snadneji nez doposud orientovala pri ceste dal. Konkretne napr. na http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/installing.php udaj, kolik je treba minimalne namerit DC voltmetrem, aby melo smysl a sanci testovat data. > Kdybys to postavil podle navodu Ronja 10M Metropolis, tak ti > garantuju, ze ti ta linka jela na prvni pokus. Co jsem ti Stando > udelal, ze na muj projekt Ronja kydas takovymhle zpusobem spinu? Ja vim, Kajo. Neudelal jsi mi pochopitelne nic zleho, naopak. Urcite vis, ze konstrukci tak ja je jsem nestavel ja, ze byla vyslovne urcena na otestovani a ja jsem stale vdecny, ze mam(e) vubec nejakou. Presto jsem trochu nastvany, ze nejsem schopen urcit, kde v instalaci, kolem ktere se motame nejen ja sam, ale hlavne taky spousta kamaradu, uz paty mesic, je zasadni bug. Se stavbou podle tveho navodu stale, a cim dal evidentneji, pocitam jako s jistotou na konci tunelu. ;-) > Kde jsou verejne uvedeny podrobne technicke parametry Crusadera > nevim, ale z doslechu mam, ze ma asi 60% dosahu co ma Ronja. Muzes > uvest prameny, na zaklade kterych se odvazujes implicitne tvrdit, > ze Ronja ma horsi technicke parametry nez Crusader? Jediny muj "pramen" jsou Deuova lichotiva slova o Crusaderovi a jeho konkreni slib, ze optopater od nej na Ujezd povede cca 1100m na nod kyklop a z nej cca 500m ke mne. Z toho odvozuju, ze min. 1100m Crusader standartne umi. A to je srovnatelne s Ronjou. V cem vsak Crusader Ronju predci, je opakovatelnost parametru a udajna snadnost instalace v terenu. Opakovatelnost dosahu Ronji kus od kusu by overila nejaka referencni trasa, nebo sniffer. Oboji prozatim neni. Dalsi vec: V Plans for the future na http://ronja.twibright.com/tour/tour6.php je napr. "ukol" AUI / TP printed circuit boards. Teprve ted vicemene mezi radky v tomto ML se dovidam, ze TP je na spadnuti. Cili aktualni on-line informovanost Ronjaru o deni z jednoho zavazneho zdroje skutecne chybi. Jen a jen na tohle jsem v mem prispevku chtel upozornit. > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/ > > Pokud to postavis podle toho navodu, pojede ti to na prvni > pokus. Ano, slibuji slavnostne, ze budu stavet novy exemplar podle navodu. :) > Ja ti fakt nemuzu za to ze jsi to postavil v hrubem rozporu s navodem > a ted places nad rozlitym mlekem. Neni to ovsem duvod k tomu abys > Ronju jakkoliv pomlouval. Ja jsem to nestavel. Zduraznuji, ze slo/jde s plnym vedomim o testovaci vzorek na DPS!! Proto placu jen a jen nad sebou a zminenymi kamarady touzicimi akutne po alternative k wifi a po overeni vysledku sve prace. Nikdy jsem nepomlouval a pomlouvat nebudu Ronju jako myslenku a jeji realizaci ve tvem navodu. > Pokud mas stale pocit, ze tvoje tvrzeni jsou opravnena, tak je prosim > dokaz a to nejlepe zde na mailing listu, abych tve vytky mohl rovnou > prijmout jako bugreport. Ma tvrzeni smerovala k tomu, ze je dobre premyslet o ceste vpred. Z tvych poznamek jsem se ujistil, ze vpred se jde na vicero frontach. Za to ti dekuji. "Jan Martin?" > To, ze vam to nechodi muze bet klidne tema kartama - nam (Hell) to > taky nebehalo (970m) a pak se zjistilo, ze pod FreeBSD je na 3c900 > mizerackej ovladac. > Zkuste na obou stranach rozjet pod dosem testovaci soft primo od > 3comu a nepouzivat nejakej pochybnej ping. Diky za tip! > A jeste poznamka: Ronja je zarizeni podle > hesla "Za malo penez hodne muziky" a tomu taky odpovida konstrukce > elektroniky. Navic to zvladne clovek vyrobit doma na kolene bez > specialniho vybaveni. Kdo chce luxus (tovarni DPS, jednoduche > zamerovani atd.), musi si holt poradne priplatit. :-)) Ronja je bez diskuse skvely zarizeni. To myslim vazne! A ohromne citlivy. Je jako zena: nesmi se na ni nedovolenym zpusobem sahnout. :-) Ale to na elektriku obecne. Sorry za moje zjitrene vylevy, priste z me strany snad uz taky nejaky ten pokrok. Diky vsem, Standa -- VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php From clock at twibright.com Sun Nov 23 09:02:13 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Nov 23 09:02:16 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <5a939fe5e28f3f3f4c3fa87c6f734d63@www2.mail.volny.cz>; from bobriks@volny.cz on Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 09:12:52AM +0100 References: <200311221937.40240.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031122224035.A6584@beton.cybernet.src> <200311222255.15431.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031122232550.A6715@beton.cybernet.src> <5a939fe5e28f3f3f4c3fa87c6f734d63@www2.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031123100213.A29103@beton.cybernet.src> > > Takze drzim palce se sestavenim linky..... -=RYS=- > Diky moc, verim, ze to rozbehame. > > > "Karel Kulhav?" > > > Az bude mit Ronja takove know-how jako ma Crusader, > > > nebude mit o nic horsi technicke parametry. Me > > > > Soudis projekt Ronja podle chovani mechaniky a elektroniky, > ktera s > ni temer nema nic spolecneho. To se mi Stando vubec > nelibi, ze ji > takhle neopravnene shazujes. > Projekt Ronja samozrejme neshazuju!! Naopak pisu, ze > zcela sympatizuju s jeho duchem. Kritizuju pouze dilci > nedostatky, jejichz naprava by me jako po x-te neuspesneho > usera potesila a hlavne by me snadneji nez doposud > orientovala pri ceste dal. Konkretne napr. na > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/installing.php > udaj, kolik je treba minimalne namerit DC voltmetrem, > aby melo smysl a sanci testovat data. Uz jsem tam neco takovyho napsal. Fakt nema smysl kdyz mas pocit ze by se melo neco na Ronje zmenit mlcet a kydat nespecifickou spinu na celej projekt. Pri jakemkoliv naznaku pochybnosti napis na mailing list co se ti zda v navodu blbe nebo co tam chybi. Tohle neni czfree forum abys tady byl za kritiku konkretnich detailu oznacovan za prudice. Bugreport je jeden ze zakladnich stavebnich kamenu otevreneho vyvoje. > > > > Kdybys to postavil podle navodu Ronja 10M Metropolis, tak ti garantuju, ze > > ti ta linka jela na prvni pokus. Co jsem ti > Stando > udelal, ze na muj projekt Ronja kydas takovymhle zpusobem spinu? > Ja vim, Kajo. Neudelal jsi mi pochopitelne nic zleho, naopak. Urcite vis, ze > konstrukci tak ja je jsem nestavel ja, ze byla vyslovne urcena na otestovani > a ja jsem stale vdecny, ze mam(e) vubec nejakou. Presto jsem trochu nastvany, > ze nejsem schopen urcit, kde v instalaci, kolem ktere se motame nejen ja sam, > ale hlavne taky spousta kamaradu, uz paty mesic, je zasadni bug. Se stavbou > podle tveho navodu stale, a cim dal evidentneji, pocitam jako s jistotou na > konci tunelu. ;-) > > > > > Kde jsou verejne uvedeny podrobne technicke parametry Crusadera nevim, ale > > z doslechu mam, ze ma asi 60% dosahu co ma Ronja. > Muzes > uvest prameny, na zaklade kterych se odvazujes implicitne tvrdit, > > ze Ronja ma horsi technicke parametry nez Crusader? Jediny muj "pramen" jsou > Deuova lichotiva slova o Crusaderovi a jeho konkreni slib, ze optopater od > nej na Ujezd povede cca 1100m na nod kyklop a z nej cca 500m ke mne. Z toho > odvozuju, ze min. 1100m Crusader standartne umi. A to je srovnatelne s > Ronjou. V cem vsak Crusader Ronju predci, je opakovatelnost parametru a > udajna snadnost instalace v terenu. Opakovatelnost dosahu Ronji kus od kusu Ty vrabci hnizda se zdaj z toho co lidi popisujou ze maj vsechny stejnej dosah +/- nejaka nepodstatna odchylka, a to i pres to, ze to kazdej osazuje jinejma tranzistorama (kdyby se to vsechno osazovalo BF908 kterej je tam primarne uvedenej tak to bude mit rozptyl jeste mensi). Ty integrovany zesilovace v Crusaderu budou mit kazdej taky trochu jinej sum - to je vlastnost vsech soucastek, ze se kazda povede vyrobit trochu jinak. Stejne tak v nejakym motherboardu nejaka pamet jde pretaktovat a jinej kus stejnyho typu nejde. Jina vec jsou tistaky tam se dosah pohybuje od 0 do plneho dosahu vrabcich hnizda protoze ty ruzny tistaky co lidi udelali jsou asi nejak blbe navrzeny z VF hledisek. Ale to jsou neoficialni tistaky s tim si neni treba lamat hlavu, vyresi se to az se udelaj oficialni. Bavil jsem se s Gnatem z Palmovky a rikal ze se na ty tistaky co lidi udelali koukal a ze se mu z vysokofrekvencniho hlediska nelibil ani jeden. Cl< From cbedison at centrum.cz Sun Nov 23 11:24:06 2003 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Sun Nov 23 13:44:16 2003 Subject: [Ronja] dotaz Message-ID: <20031123112411Z106026-28708+816746@mail.centrum.cz> zdravim, mam dotaz: nevite nekdo kde sehnat nasledujici material: Obd?ln?kov? kus 0.5mm tenk?ho plechu (ocel, galvanizovan? ocel, pl?tovan? ocel, dural, nebo hlin?k) s rozm?ry 375x280mm 280mm dlouh? tenkost?nn? profil U 20x20x2mm (CSN 42 6963) 280mm dlouh? ocelov? ty? 20x4 (CSN 42 5522) ? Ptal jsem se v Kondoru u nas v Radotine, ale bylo mi sdeleno, ze je tam jen velkoobchod. Diky za odpoved, Edison Radotin cbedison[AT]centrum[DOT]cz http://www.edison-radotin.cz -------------------- Po?lete sv?j star? telefon do h?je! SAMSUNG C100 od 1577 K? www.oskar.cz http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/index.php From jan.martinu at post.cz Sun Nov 23 14:04:27 2003 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?=) Date: Sun Nov 23 14:00:59 2003 Subject: [Ronja] dotaz In-Reply-To: <20031123112411Z106026-28708+816746@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20031123112411Z106026-28708+816746@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <200311231504.27815.jan.martinu@post.cz> Ve Ferone, ale u toho plechu je min. odber 1m2 (aspon byval). Dne ne 23. listopadu 2003 12:24 cbedison@centrum.cz napsal(a): > zdravim, > mam dotaz: nevite nekdo kde sehnat nasledujici material: > > Obd?ln?kov? kus 0.5mm tenk?ho plechu (ocel, galvanizovan? ocel, > pl?tovan? ocel, dural, nebo hlin?k) s rozm?ry 375x280mm > 280mm dlouh? tenkost?nn? profil U 20x20x2mm (CSN 42 6963) > 280mm dlouh? ocelov? ty? 20x4 (CSN 42 5522) > > ? Ptal jsem se v Kondoru u nas v Radotine, ale bylo mi sdeleno, ze je > tam jen velkoobchod. > > Diky za odpoved, > Edison Radotin > cbedison[AT]centrum[DOT]cz > http://www.edison-radotin.cz > > -------------------- > Po?lete sv?j star? telefon do h?je! SAMSUNG C100 od 1577 K? www.oskar.cz > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/inde >x.php > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Nov 23 14:04:10 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Nov 23 14:04:18 2003 Subject: [Ronja] dotaz In-Reply-To: <20031123112411Z106026-28708+816746@mail.centrum.cz>; from cbedison@centrum.cz on Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 12:24:06PM +0100 References: <20031123112411Z106026-28708+816746@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20031123150410.B30459@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 12:24:06PM +0100, cbedison@centrum.cz wrote: > zdravim, > mam dotaz: nevite nekdo kde sehnat nasledujici material: > > Obd?ln?kov? kus 0.5mm tenk?ho plechu (ocel, galvanizovan? ocel, > pl?tovan? ocel, dural, nebo hlin?k) s rozm?ry 375x280mm Ve Ferone Holesovice to prodavaj minimalni odber 1x1m. Nebo zajdi do sbernejch surovin tam to treba budou mit zrovna taky a bude te to stat asi tak desetkrat min ;-) > 280mm dlouh? tenkost?nn? profil U 20x20x2mm (CSN 42 6963) > 280mm dlouh? ocelov? ty? 20x4 (CSN 42 5522) Ferona Holesovice narezou to za par korun na miru. http://www.ferona.cz Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Nov 23 14:05:39 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Nov 23 14:05:40 2003 Subject: [Ronja] dotaz In-Reply-To: <200311231504.27815.jan.martinu@post.cz>; from jan.martinu@post.cz on Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 03:04:27PM +0100 References: <20031123112411Z106026-28708+816746@mail.centrum.cz> <200311231504.27815.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <20031123150539.C30459@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 03:04:27PM +0100, Jan Martin? wrote: > Ve Ferone, ale u toho plechu je min. odber 1m2 (aspon byval). To jsou velikosti tabule jeste to umoznujou si vzit jen pulku tabule. Jsem to sroloval prevazal spagatem a dal do kufru od skudky ;-) Cl< From bobriks at volny.cz Sun Nov 23 15:04:54 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (bobriks@volny.cz) Date: Sun Nov 23 15:05:01 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <20031123100213.A29103@beton.cybernet.src> References: <200311221937.40240.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031122224035.A6584@beton.cybernet.src> <200311222255.15431.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031122232550.A6715@beton.cybernet.src> <5a939fe5e28f3f3f4c3fa87c6f734d63@www2.mail.volny.cz> <20031123100213.A29103@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: > > orientovala pri ceste dal. Konkretne napr. na > > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/installing.php > > udaj, kolik je treba minimalne namerit DC voltmetrem, > > aby melo smysl a sanci testovat data. > > Uz jsem tam neco takovyho napsal. > Bezva, diky. > > Fakt nema smysl kdyz mas pocit ze by se melo neco na > Ronje zmenit mlcet a kydat > nespecifickou spinu na celej projekt. Pri jakemkoliv > naznaku pochybnosti napis > na mailing list co se ti zda v navodu blbe nebo co tam > chybi. > Ano, prave ze na tyhle pochybnosti prichazim az v praxi na strese. Od obrazovky PC vypada vsechno cool. A po mych neuspesich se mi tech pochybnosti seslo uz nejak moc. > Tohle neni czfree forum abys tady byl za kritiku > konkretnich detailu oznacovan > za prudice. Bugreport je jeden ze zakladnich stavebnich > kamenu otevreneho > vyvoje. > To je super. Velice ocenuju, ze se v tvem navodu prubezne promitaji i zavery z negativ na Ujezde (tabulka s poctem odrazek, ted ta veta o RSSI, ...). Tech bugu mam na srdci vic, ale je mi tezko s nema prudit, dokud mi spoj nefunguje. Taky proto ho chci tolik moc rozbehat, abych "mel pravo" doporucovat cesta vede tudy a tudy. > > Ty vrabci hnizda se zdaj z toho co lidi popisujou ze > maj vsechny stejnej dosah > +/- nejaka nepodstatna odchylka, a to i pres to, ze to > kazdej osazuje jinejma > tranzistorama (kdyby se to vsechno osazovalo BF908 > kterej je tam primarne > uvedenej tak to bude mit rozptyl jeste mensi). > > Jina vec jsou tistaky tam se dosah pohybuje od 0 do > plneho dosahu vrabcich > hnizda protoze ty ruzny tistaky co lidi udelali jsou > asi nejak blbe navrzeny z > VF hledisek. Ale to jsou neoficialni tistaky s tim si > neni treba lamat hlavu, > vyresi se to az se udelaj oficialni. > > Bavil jsem se s Gnatem z Palmovky a rikal ze se na ty > tistaky co lidi udelali > koukal a ze se mu z vysokofrekvencniho hlediska nelibil > ani jeden. > To je presne ono. Vypada to, ze ja dojizdim pri distanci 1100m na ty puvodem finske tistaky. Ale potvrdim to az se mi podari rozbehnout vrabci hnizda. Pak se necham zapsat do knihy o rekordech s nejvetsi investici casu, penez a energie na odhaleni jedne slepe cesty. :-)) > Cl< > Standa -- VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php From bobriks at volny.cz Sun Nov 23 15:12:26 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (bobriks@volny.cz) Date: Sun Nov 23 15:12:36 2003 Subject: [Ronja] dotaz In-Reply-To: <20031123112411Z106026-28708+816746@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20031123112411Z106026-28708+816746@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <961cddb1464dd53d8b33f7261adf2129@www1.mail.volny.cz> > ? Ptal jsem se v Kondoru u nas v Radotine, ale bylo mi > sdeleno, ze je > tam jen velkoobchod. > Ja kupuju vsechno jmenovane (plech konkretne zbytky cerny i pozink 0.6mm) bez problemu jako maloobchod v Kondoru u Smichovskeho nadr., Nadrazni ul. -- VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php From ladmanj at volny.cz Sun Nov 23 15:17:57 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sun Nov 23 15:25:36 2003 Subject: [Ronja] dotaz In-Reply-To: <961cddb1464dd53d8b33f7261adf2129@www1.mail.volny.cz> References: <20031123112411Z106026-28708+816746@mail.centrum.cz> <961cddb1464dd53d8b33f7261adf2129@www1.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <200311231617.57693.ladmanj@volny.cz> I v Radotine Vam prodaji mala mnozstvi. Jakub Ladman Dne ne 23. listopadu 2003 16:12 bobriks@volny.cz napsal(a): > > ? Ptal jsem se v Kondoru u nas v Radotine, ale bylo mi > > sdeleno, ze je > > tam jen velkoobchod. > > Ja kupuju vsechno jmenovane (plech konkretne zbytky cerny > i pozink 0.6mm) bez problemu jako maloobchod v Kondoru u > Smichovskeho nadr., Nadrazni ul. From clock at twibright.com Sun Nov 23 15:52:06 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Nov 23 15:52:09 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: ; from bobriks@volny.cz on Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 04:04:54PM +0100 References: <200311221937.40240.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031122224035.A6584@beton.cybernet.src> <200311222255.15431.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031122232550.A6715@beton.cybernet.src> <5a939fe5e28f3f3f4c3fa87c6f734d63@www2.mail.volny.cz> <20031123100213.A29103@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031123165206.A31128@beton.cybernet.src> > > uvedenej tak to bude mit rozptyl jeste mensi). > > > > Jina vec jsou tistaky tam se dosah pohybuje od 0 do > > plneho dosahu vrabcich > > hnizda protoze ty ruzny tistaky co lidi udelali jsou > > asi nejak blbe navrzeny z > > VF hledisek. Ale to jsou neoficialni tistaky s tim si > > neni treba lamat hlavu, > > vyresi se to az se udelaj oficialni. > > > > Bavil jsem se s Gnatem z Palmovky a rikal ze se na ty > > tistaky co lidi udelali > > koukal a ze se mu z vysokofrekvencniho hlediska nelibil > > ani jeden. > > > To je presne ono. Vypada to, ze ja dojizdim pri distanci > 1100m na ty puvodem finske tistaky. Ale potvrdim to az se Skontorp je myslim z Norska ale na tech jeho tistacich uz par lidi vyhorelo. Cl< From wpeople at ms.hu Mon Nov 24 08:30:45 2003 From: wpeople at ms.hu (Woodoo People .pGa!) Date: Mon Nov 24 08:30:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Distance Measuring Failure Message-ID: <20031124083045.GA8854@Shadow.ms.hu> Hi Guys! I'm new here, but i'm running two ronja links in Kecskemet/Hungary (you can check them on gallery :-) As reported in Gallery, my longest link is 1.7km, but in fact it's only 1.3km (in the summer, i've got a navman jacket for my iPaq, and write down the coordinates, and counted the distance by Geo::Distance module of perl - that was my fault. Now, i have an Etraxx Vista from garmin, and it can measure distance also) The story is not as bad as the above, because we still not using the most powerful tx leds (Series E/F4000)... Please forgive me for the above mistake, and increasing the range only with words... -- WoodOO-[P]an[G]alaktikan[A]gent-People <][> http://shadow.pganet.com wpeople@shadow.pganet.com]iCQ#33118021[wpeople.on.iRCNet]wpeople@RedHat.users From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Nov 24 09:00:43 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Nov 24 09:00:52 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: References: <20031123100213.A29103@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311241000.43436.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dobry den pokud mohu popsat sve zkusenosti s rozjezdem ronji na 1.3km. tak tady jsou: 1) nejvic jsem vyhorel na zacatku kdy jsem si myslel ze nektere uzly (hlavne mechanicke) vymyslim lepe nez Clock. Nevymyslel jsem a navic jsem si trhl ostudu, takze jsem se postupne priblizil Clokove konstrukci. (hlavne v konstrukci zamerovani) Viz linka Beharovice v ronja Tour. 2) Na stole je treba si vyzkouset pri jakych RSSI jeste chodi data, kdy zacinaji vypadavat apod. U me to bylo cca 1.5m, RSSI cca 0.3mV kdyz linka zacala vykazovat chybne pakety. Pri 0.2mV to uz bylo nepouzitelne. Pri 0.4mV nevypadaval zadny paket. Provedeni RSSI bylo stare, tj odpor 100ohmu v serii a 800 paralel. 3) 3C509 versus 3c900 Mez zkusenosti jsou takove ze pri nastavene lince pro trvaly provoz je uplne jedno jestli je tam ta ci ona. pokud ta linka jede v meznich podminkach, pak se vliv lepsiho fazovaho zavesu projevi, ale v praxi bude to bude stejne jedno, protoze pak je linka pomerne hodne chybova, napr. ranni opary a pod. No kdyz je husta mlha jako mliko pak je to stejne neprosvititelne (leda vykonem temelina, jak uz tady zaznelo), a ze letos je jaksi mlh vyrazne vice, nebo si toho jen vice vsimam? S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From bobriks at volny.cz Mon Nov 24 12:08:41 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (bobriks@volny.cz) Date: Mon Nov 24 12:08:50 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <200311241000.43436.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <20031123100213.A29103@beton.cybernet.src> <200311241000.43436.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <2808884432e7e3a6539eb59437915e4b@www1.mail.volny.cz> Zapiku, DIKY, DIKY, DIKY!! Presne takove reporty jsem mel na mysli, ze by mely byt zlatym pismem pod kazdou z instalaci na ronja.twibright.com!!!!! Chapu, ze by Clocka takova prace zavalila, kdyby ji mel delat systematicky. Proto by na jeho strankach mel byt ten php/mysql modul a kazdy by si tam sve povidani pro pouceni ostatnim psal/editoval sam!!!!!!! Nemluve o tom, ze by to autory i vic bavilo. Hrozne rad bych ten modul napsal treba i sam. Ale nekdo by mi v tom pripade musel pujcit na testy Ujezd-Ventus spolehlive ozkousene TX/RX vrabci hnizda. Najde se prosim nekdo? Hazim rukavici sw- i hw-rarum! ;-) Standa ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Petr Zapadlo" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zkusenosti Datum: 24.11.2003 - 10:00:55 > Dobry den > > pokud mohu popsat sve zkusenosti s rozjezdem ronji na > 1.3km. > tak tady jsou: > > 1) nejvic jsem vyhorel na zacatku kdy jsem si myslel ze > nektere uzly (hlavne > mechanicke) vymyslim lepe nez Clock. Nevymyslel jsem a > navic jsem si trhl > ostudu, takze jsem se postupne priblizil Clokove > konstrukci. (hlavne v > konstrukci zamerovani) > Viz linka Beharovice v ronja Tour. > > 2) Na stole je treba si vyzkouset pri jakych RSSI jeste > chodi data, kdy > zacinaji vypadavat apod. > U me to bylo cca 1.5m, RSSI cca 0.3mV kdyz linka zacala > vykazovat chybne > pakety. Pri 0.2mV to uz bylo nepouzitelne. Pri 0.4mV > nevypadaval zadny > paket. Provedeni RSSI bylo stare, tj odpor 100ohmu v > serii a 800 paralel. > > 3) 3C509 versus 3c900 > > Mez zkusenosti jsou takove ze pri nastavene lince pro > trvaly provoz je uplne > jedno jestli je tam ta ci ona. pokud ta linka jede v > meznich podminkach, pak > se vliv lepsiho fazovaho zavesu projevi, ale v praxi > bude to bude stejne > jedno, protoze pak je linka pomerne hodne chybova, > napr. ranni opary a pod. > > > No kdyz je husta mlha jako mliko pak je to stejne > neprosvititelne (leda > vykonem temelina, jak uz tady zaznelo), a ze letos je > jaksi mlh vyrazne vice, > nebo si toho jen vice vsimam? > > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php From clock at twibright.com Mon Nov 24 12:46:26 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Nov 24 12:46:31 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <2808884432e7e3a6539eb59437915e4b@www1.mail.volny.cz>; from bobriks@volny.cz on Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 01:08:41PM +0100 References: <20031123100213.A29103@beton.cybernet.src> <200311241000.43436.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <2808884432e7e3a6539eb59437915e4b@www1.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031124134626.B449@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 01:08:41PM +0100, bobriks@volny.cz wrote: > Zapiku, DIKY, DIKY, DIKY!! > > Presne takove reporty jsem mel na mysli, > ze by mely byt zlatym pismem pod kazdou > z instalaci na ronja.twibright.com!!!!! > > Chapu, ze by Clocka takova prace zavalila, > kdyby ji mel delat systematicky. Proto by > na jeho strankach mel byt ten php/mysql > modul a kazdy by si tam sve povidani pro > pouceni ostatnim psal/editoval sam!!!!!!! Co tam dat phpBB nebo Wikinu? Nevite nekdo jak se nainstaluje Wikina? phpBB IMHO potrebuje MySQL a s tim jsem jeste nedelal... Cl< > Nemluve o tom, ze by to autory i vic bavilo. > > Hrozne rad bych ten modul napsal treba i sam. > Ale nekdo by mi v tom pripade musel pujcit > na testy Ujezd-Ventus spolehlive ozkousene > TX/RX vrabci hnizda. Najde se prosim nekdo? > Hazim rukavici sw- i hw-rarum! ;-) > > Standa > > > ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- > Od: "Petr Zapadlo" > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zkusenosti > Datum: 24.11.2003 - 10:00:55 > > > Dobry den > > > > pokud mohu popsat sve zkusenosti s rozjezdem ronji na > > 1.3km. > > tak tady jsou: > > > > 1) nejvic jsem vyhorel na zacatku kdy jsem si myslel ze > > nektere uzly (hlavne > > mechanicke) vymyslim lepe nez Clock. Nevymyslel jsem a > > navic jsem si trhl > > ostudu, takze jsem se postupne priblizil Clokove > > konstrukci. (hlavne v > > konstrukci zamerovani) > > Viz linka Beharovice v ronja Tour. > > > > 2) Na stole je treba si vyzkouset pri jakych RSSI jeste > > chodi data, kdy > > zacinaji vypadavat apod. > > U me to bylo cca 1.5m, RSSI cca 0.3mV kdyz linka zacala > > vykazovat chybne > > pakety. Pri 0.2mV to uz bylo nepouzitelne. Pri 0.4mV > > nevypadaval zadny > > paket. Provedeni RSSI bylo stare, tj odpor 100ohmu v > > serii a 800 paralel. > > > > 3) 3C509 versus 3c900 > > > > Mez zkusenosti jsou takove ze pri nastavene lince pro > > trvaly provoz je uplne > > jedno jestli je tam ta ci ona. pokud ta linka jede v > > meznich podminkach, pak > > se vliv lepsiho fazovaho zavesu projevi, ale v praxi > > bude to bude stejne > > jedno, protoze pak je linka pomerne hodne chybova, > > napr. ranni opary a pod. > > > > > > No kdyz je husta mlha jako mliko pak je to stejne > > neprosvititelne (leda > > vykonem temelina, jak uz tady zaznelo), a ze letos je > > jaksi mlh vyrazne vice, > > nebo si toho jen vice vsimam? > > > > > > S pozdravem > > -- > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > > tel: 582 330 301 > > fax: 582 330 302 > > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > > http://www.melzer.cz > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu > a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! > http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From bobriks at volny.cz Mon Nov 24 13:28:59 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (bobriks@volny.cz) Date: Mon Nov 24 13:29:03 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <20031124134626.B449@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031123100213.A29103@beton.cybernet.src> <200311241000.43436.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <2808884432e7e3a6539eb59437915e4b@www1.mail.volny.cz> <20031124134626.B449@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <6afc7f3907930fe94f9c770a92381924@www1.mail.volny.cz> ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Karel Kulhav?" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zkusenosti Datum: 24.11.2003 - 13:46:35 > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 01:08:41PM +0100, > bobriks@volny.cz wrote: > > Zapiku, DIKY, DIKY, DIKY!! > > > > Presne takove reporty jsem mel na mysli, > > ze by mely byt zlatym pismem pod kazdou > > z instalaci na ronja.twibright.com!!!!! > > > > Chapu, ze by Clocka takova prace zavalila, > > kdyby ji mel delat systematicky. Proto by > > na jeho strankach mel byt ten php/mysql > > modul a kazdy by si tam sve povidani pro > > pouceni ostatnim psal/editoval sam!!!!!!! > > Co tam dat phpBB nebo Wikinu? > O Wikine slysim prvne. phpBB by bylo OK, akorat mne nevyhovovalo, ze jako jine enginy baziruje na registraci nicku/hesla, aby do nej kdokoliv mohl psat. V kazdem pripade se musi jeho default zdrojaky dost prohrabnout, aby se priohlo k (nami) pozadovanemu ucelu. > > Nevite nekdo jak se nainstaluje Wikina? phpBB IMHO > potrebuje MySQL a s tim jsem jeste nedelal... > Pokud jsi zvladl teorii autonegotiation, zvladnes i zaklady MySQL. :) Rozhodnes-li se pro tuto databazi, muzu ti dat uvodni nalejvarnu, pak uz budes schopen jet sam...... > Cl< Standa > > Nemluve o tom, ze by to autory i vic bavilo. > > > > Hrozne rad bych ten modul napsal treba i sam. > > Ale nekdo by mi v tom pripade musel pujcit > > na testy Ujezd-Ventus spolehlive ozkousene > > TX/RX vrabci hnizda. Najde se prosim nekdo? > > Hazim rukavici sw- i hw-rarum! ;-) > > > > Standa > > > > > > ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- > > Od: "Petr Zapadlo" > > Komu: "Twibright Ronja" > > P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] Zkusenosti > > Datum: 24.11.2003 - 10:00:55 > > > > > Dobry den > > > > > > pokud mohu popsat sve zkusenosti s rozjezdem ronji > > > na > > > 1.3km. > > > tak tady jsou: > > > > > > 1) nejvic jsem vyhorel na zacatku kdy jsem si > > > myslel ze > > > nektere uzly (hlavne > > > mechanicke) vymyslim lepe nez Clock. Nevymyslel > > > jsem a > > > navic jsem si trhl > > > ostudu, takze jsem se postupne priblizil Clokove > > > konstrukci. (hlavne v > > > konstrukci zamerovani) > > > Viz linka Beharovice v ronja Tour. > > > > > > 2) Na stole je treba si vyzkouset pri jakych RSSI > > > jeste > > > chodi data, kdy > > > zacinaji vypadavat apod. > > > U me to bylo cca 1.5m, RSSI cca 0.3mV kdyz linka > > > zacala > > > vykazovat chybne > > > pakety. Pri 0.2mV to uz bylo nepouzitelne. Pri > > > 0.4mV > > > nevypadaval zadny > > > paket. Provedeni RSSI bylo stare, tj odpor 100ohmu > > > v > > > serii a 800 paralel. > > > > > > 3) 3C509 versus 3c900 > > > > > > Mez zkusenosti jsou takove ze pri nastavene lince > > > pro > > > trvaly provoz je uplne > > > jedno jestli je tam ta ci ona. pokud ta linka jede > > > v > > > meznich podminkach, pak > > > se vliv lepsiho fazovaho zavesu projevi, ale v > > > praxi > > > bude to bude stejne > > > jedno, protoze pak je linka pomerne hodne chybova, > > > napr. ranni opary a pod. > > > > > > > > > No kdyz je husta mlha jako mliko pak je to stejne > > > neprosvititelne (leda > > > vykonem temelina, jak uz tady zaznelo), a ze letos > > > je > > > jaksi mlh vyrazne vice, > > > nebo si toho jen vice vsimam? > > > > > > > > > S pozdravem > > > -- > > > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > > > > > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > > > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > > > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > > > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > > > tel: 582 330 301 > > > fax: 582 330 302 > > > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > > > http://www.melzer.cz > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > -- > > VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu > > a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! > > http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Nov 25 10:14:56 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Nov 25 10:16:09 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3b0ae$56d4f1a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20031122112133.A17767@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002901c3b33c$fb19fd60$0101a8c0@cz> Az to bude hotove, budou i fotky vseho mozneho a nemozneho ;) Jinak to bude pro link k rodicum domu (210m). Bude tam na webu mereni signalu a pingu. Zatim jedu pres 2x Linux a Siemens M101 DATA : http://server.elhamobil.cz/nph-ping.cgi web kamera je 350m od linky (je mozne pozorovat mlhu, kdyz mizi barak uprostred - radnice cca 250m) : http://www.mesto-zatec.cz/kamera.phtml Dalsi linku mam naplanovanou v Moste 1870m. Mam verzi laser Crusader. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zkusenosti > On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 05:08:49AM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Cau Stando > > jsem predevcirem koupil osazene DPS Crusadra a na stole to chodi bez > > Muzes nafotit co nejpodrobneji obe strany vsech tistaku a dat to nekam na web? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Nov 25 10:24:13 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Nov 25 10:25:13 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti References: <20031123100213.A29103@beton.cybernet.src> <200311241000.43436.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <004401c3b33e$48a31f20$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Zapadlo" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zkusenosti > Dobry den > > pokud mohu popsat sve zkusenosti s rozjezdem ronji na 1.3km. > tak tady jsou: > > 1) nejvic jsem vyhorel na zacatku kdy jsem si myslel ze nektere uzly (hlavne > mechanicke) vymyslim lepe nez Clock. Nevymyslel jsem a navic jsem si trhl > ostudu, takze jsem se postupne priblizil Clokove konstrukci. (hlavne v > konstrukci zamerovani) > Viz linka Beharovice v ronja Tour. > > 2) Na stole je treba si vyzkouset pri jakych RSSI jeste chodi data, kdy > zacinaji vypadavat apod. > U me to bylo cca 1.5m, RSSI cca 0.3mV kdyz linka zacala vykazovat chybne > pakety. Pri 0.2mV to uz bylo nepouzitelne. Pri 0.4mV nevypadaval zadny > paket. Provedeni RSSI bylo stare, tj odpor 100ohmu v serii a 800 paralel. > > 3) 3C509 versus 3c900 > > Mez zkusenosti jsou takove ze pri nastavene lince pro trvaly provoz je uplne > jedno jestli je tam ta ci ona. pokud ta linka jede v meznich podminkach, pak > se vliv lepsiho fazovaho zavesu projevi, ale v praxi bude to bude stejne > jedno, protoze pak je linka pomerne hodne chybova, napr. ranni opary a pod. > > > No kdyz je husta mlha jako mliko pak je to stejne neprosvititelne (leda > vykonem temelina, jak uz tady zaznelo), a ze letos je jaksi mlh vyrazne vice, > nebo si toho jen vice vsimam? Petr musim ti dat za pravdu....taky si vsimam, ze tento rok je vice mlh nez za poslednich 10 let. Martin -=RYS=- > > > S pozdravem > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Nov 25 10:29:49 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Nov 25 10:30:50 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3b0ae$56d4f1a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20031122114159.C17767@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <005b01c3b33f$0e24a520$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zkusenosti > > > Az bude mit Ronja takove know-how jako ma Crusader, > > > nebude mit o nic horsi technicke parametry. Me > > Soudis projekt Ronja podle chovani mechaniky a elektroniky, ktera s ni temer > nema nic spolecneho. To se mi Stando vubec nelibi, ze ji takhle neopravnene > shazujes. > > Kdybys to postavil podle navodu Ronja 10M Metropolis, tak ti garantuju, ze ti > ta linka jela na prvni pokus. Co jsem ti Stando udelal, ze na muj projekt Ronja > kydas takovymhle zpusobem spinu? > > Co se tyce technickych parametru navrhu Ronja 10M Metropolis, ty jsou uvedeny > na http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/spec.php. Kde jsou verejne uvedeny > podrobne technicke parametry Crusadera nevim, ale z doslechu mam, ze ma asi 60% > dosahu co ma Ronja. Karle z toho co jsem slysel ja je to zhruba na stejno. Me se Crusader libi hlavne kvuli TP a taky kvuli 100Mbps. Jak jsem mluvil s Ladou, tak ja budu mit prvni ostrou laser verzi Crusadra. Mam tu moznost dat i vykone lasery, takze ja osobne predpokladam dosah 10Mbps 3km / 100Mbps 1.5km . Zatim udelam 10Mbps verzi a az bude chodit tak vymenim RX filtr za 100-vkovej a misto 2030 RX diody dam tu novejsi pro 100Mbps. Uvidime jak to pojede. Zatim jsem nemocnej a nemuzu nic delat. Martin > Muzes uvest prameny, na zaklade kterych se odvazujes > implicitne tvrdit, ze Ronja ma horsi technicke parametry nez Crusader? > > Cl< > > > u ni drzi jeji komunitni duch, at uz mu rikame > > > GNU-GPL, twibrght.com, Ronja mailing list nebo > > > jakkoliv. Tohle Crusader nema a nebude mit, i kdyz > > > uz bude v prodeji. Crusader postupuje oproti Ronje > > > rychle proto, ze jeho tym ridi cilevedome Deu a > > > smeruje do nej externi financni toky. Ty mu > > > pomahaji, ale i komercne zavazuji. Vyvoj Ronji > > > je proti tomu chaoticky, nekoordinovany. Kazdy > > > vyvojar je individuum s vlastni motivaci, ktere > > > nema proc by se nechavalo svazovat cizimi idejemi. twibright.com > > > je prehlidkou uspechu, neni tam prakticky nic o neuspesich. > > > Takovy happy promotion > > > si muze dovolit alphawave, protoze jeho lidi si vse > > > vyrikaji kazdy den z oci do oci. Ronja mailing list > > > je OK, ale pomijivy a neusporadany. Ja bych dokazal > > > udelat jednoduchy php/MySQL systematicky web > > > s on-line prispivanim kohokoliv zaregistrovaneho, > > > prehledem financi na vyvoj atd. atd. Ten by snad > > > osobni kontakt crusaderovcu do jiste miry suploval. > > > Ale delam jine veci, viz vyse. > > > > > > Fakt proste je, ze Ronja nema exaktne dolozene > > > vysledne technicke parametry a kus od kusu se > > > (podstatne) lisi. Neexistuje zadna reprodukovatelna > > > reference. Bude ji v dostatecne mire Clockuv sniffer? > > > Vznika bez verejne konzultace, asi jen podle jeho > > > dobreho vedomi a svedomi. Dokud proste nebudu drzet > > > v ruce dve radne otestovane soupravy, stoprocentne > > > funkcni na 1100m, tezko me nekdo v nejblizsich tydnech > > > na strechy Ujezda a Ventusu dostane. ;-) > > > > > > Standa > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Nov 25 12:29:30 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Nov 25 12:29:40 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <005b01c3b33f$0e24a520$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 11:29:49AM +0100 References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3b0ae$56d4f1a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20031122114159.C17767@beton.cybernet.src> <005b01c3b33f$0e24a520$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031125132930.A14752@beton.cybernet.src> > 10Mbps 3km / 100Mbps 1.5km . > Zatim udelam 10Mbps verzi a az bude chodit tak vymenim RX filtr za > 100-vkovej a misto 2030 RX diody dam tu novejsi pro 100Mbps. Co to je za typ ta novejsi dioda? Cl< > Uvidime jak to pojede. Zatim jsem nemocnej a nemuzu nic delat. > > Martin From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Nov 25 18:04:48 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Nov 25 18:05:52 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3b0ae$56d4f1a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20031122114159.C17767@beton.cybernet.src> <005b01c3b33f$0e24a520$0101a8c0@cz> <20031125132930.A14752@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000901c3b37e$9dfc1360$0101a8c0@cz> PDB-C120 nebo 102 Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zkusenosti > > 10Mbps 3km / 100Mbps 1.5km . > > Zatim udelam 10Mbps verzi a az bude chodit tak vymenim RX filtr za > > 100-vkovej a misto 2030 RX diody dam tu novejsi pro 100Mbps. > > Co to je za typ ta novejsi dioda? > > Cl< > > Uvidime jak to pojede. Zatim jsem nemocnej a nemuzu nic delat. > > > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at beton.cybernet.src Tue Nov 25 20:14:15 2003 From: clock at beton.cybernet.src (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Nov 25 20:14:25 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <000901c3b37e$9dfc1360$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 07:04:48PM +0100 References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3b0ae$56d4f1a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20031122114159.C17767@beton.cybernet.src> <005b01c3b33f$0e24a520$0101a8c0@cz> <20031125132930.A14752@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c3b37e$9dfc1360$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031125211415.D15450@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 07:04:48PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > PDB-C120 nebo 102 A kdo to vyrabi? BTW jinak zkousim rozject nejakou tu TWiki ale je to nejaky crapovaty. Kamos to nainstaloval dneska u nas na siti z Debianu a tu dotycnou vadu to nema - uz zbyva jen jeden krucek k tomu aby Ronja mela groupware :) Cl< > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Zkusenosti > > > > > 10Mbps 3km / 100Mbps 1.5km . > > > Zatim udelam 10Mbps verzi a az bude chodit tak vymenim RX filtr za > > > 100-vkovej a misto 2030 RX diody dam tu novejsi pro 100Mbps. > > > > Co to je za typ ta novejsi dioda? > > > > Cl< > > > Uvidime jak to pojede. Zatim jsem nemocnej a nemuzu nic delat. > > > > > > Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Nov 25 20:11:48 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Nov 25 20:15:58 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <20031122114159.C17767@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031121124621.52969.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20031121181935.A577@beton.cybernet.src> <000801c3b0ae$56d4f1a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20031122114159.C17767@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <234321707.20031125211148@volny.cz> To je svata pravda. Ale kdyz clovek jen neco slepe postavi podle navodu, tak se na nic moc noveho neprijde. Slepe ulicky vzdy nekdo otestovat musi. No a kdyz si proste nekdo chce o nejakem zakysu ( nevi jak dal, ci co s tim )na Ronje popovidat a zeptat na nazor ostatnich, tak mi mailing list prijde jako to spravne medium. A to ze popisuji jam mi to nejde nepovazuji za kydani spiny. Naopak ocenuji odvahu se ozvat. Napriklad to ze na 650m nestaci mala odrazka jsem take zjistil uz v Jicine, ale bal jsem se to napsat, protoze jsem se bal odpovedi, ze je to diky plastovejm trubkam :-) Zdar a silu, OndraT KK> Kdybys to postavil podle navodu Ronja 10M Metropolis, tak ti garantuju, ze ti KK> ta linka jela na prvni pokus. Co jsem ti Stando udelal, ze na muj projekt Ronja KK> kydas takovymhle zpusobem spinu? From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Nov 25 20:46:17 2003 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Nov 25 20:45:47 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Postrehy Message-ID: <3FC3CDA9.3010.A82ADC@localhost> Dve prave aktualne resene veci u me: 1) Problem s minimalnim dosahem, alias odraz vyslaneho signalu od cocky na protistrane zpet. Obzlaste aktualni pri pouziti laseroveho ukazovatka. Reseni je velice jednoduche - staci prelepit !zvenci! stred cocky neprusvitnym tercikem, staci 2-3cm v prumeru. 2) Tranzistor BF960 nakoupeny za nekrestanskych 50Kc v GES. Problem bylo napeti Ug2-s, zcela neodpovidajici pouzitemu odporovemu delici. Po odpojeni "horniho" odporu bylo na G2 stale napeti asi 2V. Po uplnem odpojeni delice a ponechani kondenzatoru byly namereny 4V. Vypada to, ze ma tento tranzistor nejaky tzv. internal biasing. Podotykam, ze tranzistor stale zesiloval, takze asi nebyl prorazeny. Bohuzel pred dokoncenim mereni se me ho podarilo zlikvidovat odlomenim nozicky, takze to nevim na 100procent. From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Nov 25 21:42:13 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Nov 25 21:43:08 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Postrehy References: <3FC3CDA9.3010.A82ADC@localhost> Message-ID: <000f01c3b39c$fcf831a0$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: [Ronja] Postrehy > Dve prave aktualne resene veci u me: > 1) Problem s minimalnim dosahem, alias odraz vyslaneho signalu od cocky na > protistrane zpet. Obzlaste aktualni pri pouziti laseroveho ukazovatka. Reseni je velice > jednoduche - staci prelepit !zvenci! stred cocky neprusvitnym tercikem, staci 2-3cm v > prumeru. Coz u me nehrozi....svazek ma prumer jako cela cocka (cca 9x4cm) . No uvidim, az to rozjedu. -=RYS=- From bobriks at volny.cz Tue Nov 25 23:49:32 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (bobriks@volny.cz) Date: Tue Nov 25 23:49:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Pls help In-Reply-To: <005d01c3b3a5$34154210$b6b96150@DEMOIRE> References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <005d01c3b3a5$34154210$b6b96150@DEMOIRE> Message-ID: Here are the schematic and board: http://mujweb.cz/www/0highlander0/tp.htm ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Mumuletz Mic" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: [Ronja] Pls help Datum: 25.11.2003 - 23:41:12 > hi there, > i'm from romania and i'd like to build a ronja with > that utp schematic. However i have trouble finding it > on the website and i'm asking for your help. > > Regards > > Virus_GSM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Acasa.ro vine cu albumele, tu vino doar cu pozele ;) > http://poze.acasa.ro/ > -- VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php From clock at twibright.com Wed Nov 26 06:50:43 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Nov 26 06:50:54 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Postrehy In-Reply-To: <3FC3CDA9.3010.A82ADC@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 09:46:17PM +0100 References: <3FC3CDA9.3010.A82ADC@localhost> Message-ID: <20031126075043.A349@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 09:46:17PM +0100, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Dve prave aktualne resene veci u me: > 1) Problem s minimalnim dosahem, alias odraz vyslaneho signalu od cocky na > protistrane zpet. Obzlaste aktualni pri pouziti laseroveho ukazovatka. Reseni je velice > jednoduche - staci prelepit !zvenci! stred cocky neprusvitnym tercikem, staci 2-3cm v > prumeru. > > 2) Tranzistor BF960 nakoupeny za nekrestanskych 50Kc v GES. Problem bylo napeti > Ug2-s, zcela neodpovidajici pouzitemu odporovemu delici. Po odpojeni "horniho" > odporu bylo na G2 stale napeti asi 2V. Po uplnem odpojeni delice a ponechani > kondenzatoru byly namereny 4V. Vypada to, ze ma tento tranzistor nejaky tzv. internal > biasing. http://ronja.twibright.com/datasheets/bf960.pdf V datasheetu jsem nic o zadnym internal biasing nenasel. Myslim si ze ten tranzistor byl prorazenej. > Podotykam, ze tranzistor stale zesiloval, takze asi nebyl prorazeny. Bohuzel Me prorazeny tranzistor zesiloval a znacne pri tom sumel. > pred dokoncenim mereni se me ho podarilo zlikvidovat odlomenim nozicky, takze to > nevim na 100procent. Me se tak podarilo zlikvidovat BF998 ktery je v SMD. Cl< From bobriks at volny.cz Wed Nov 26 11:05:21 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (bobriks@volny.cz) Date: Wed Nov 26 11:05:42 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <88143e167f4419e0c52184936ada387a@www1.mail.volny.cz> > Tak jsem doladil LCD z GME na Laduv Crusader : > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=66333#post66333 > Moc hezky, Martine. Predpokladam, ze ten displej je rizeny PICem, je to tak? Na Ventusu jsem koukal, ze profi pojitka maji na zadni stene trvale svitici bar z rudych obdelnikovych LEDek kryty plexisklem. Plus nejake dalsi indikace. Takze kazdy ma jedinym pohledem primo u pojitka ve dne v noci levny prehled o sile signalu a stavu spoje. Standa -- VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php From clock at twibright.com Wed Nov 26 13:09:12 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Nov 26 13:09:16 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Pls help In-Reply-To: <005d01c3b3a5$34154210$b6b96150@DEMOIRE>; from mumuletz@mymail.ro on Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 12:40:59AM +0200 References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <005d01c3b3a5$34154210$b6b96150@DEMOIRE> Message-ID: <20031126140912.A959@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 12:40:59AM +0200, Mumuletz Mic wrote: > hi there, > i'm from romania and i'd like to build a ronja with that utp schematic. > However i have trouble finding it on the website and i'm asking for your > help. There is no official UTP schematic. Wait for an official release that is probably coming in two months. You could also try something from http://ronja.twibright.com -> Modules -> contrib/ but functionality of these contributions is unknown to me. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Nov 26 13:14:52 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Nov 26 13:15:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <88143e167f4419e0c52184936ada387a@www1.mail.volny.cz> Message-ID: <001301c3b41f$476086c0$0101a8c0@cz> Atmel 89c2051 ma na starosti 2 veci: 1) budi LCD 2) pres MAX232 posila info data o sile signalu dolu do Linuxu Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > Tak jsem doladil LCD z GME na Laduv Crusader : > > > > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=66333#post66333 > > > > Moc hezky, Martine. Predpokladam, ze ten displej > je rizeny PICem, je to tak? > > Na Ventusu jsem koukal, ze profi pojitka maji > na zadni stene trvale svitici bar z rudych > obdelnikovych LEDek kryty plexisklem. Plus > nejake dalsi indikace. Takze kazdy ma jedinym > pohledem primo u pojitka ve dne v noci levny > prehled o sile signalu a stavu spoje. > > Standa > > > -- > VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu > a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! > http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Nov 26 13:32:46 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Nov 26 14:04:05 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <001301c3b41f$476086c0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <88143e167f4419e0c52184936ada387a@www1.mail.volny.cz> <001301c3b41f$476086c0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> Kazdopadne je tam ten LCD znakovy display zbytecne, ja bych tam dal led bargraf za par korun. Bud primo s prevodnikem napeti/sloupec (ma vyhodu v tom, ze ma na vystupech riditelne zdroje proudu a tak se tam ty ledky pripoji rovnou), nebo i s jednocipem, kdyby bylo potreba tu uroven posilat po RS232. Jakub Ladman Dne st 26. listopadu 2003 14:14 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > Atmel 89c2051 > > ma na starosti 2 veci: > 1) budi LCD > 2) pres MAX232 posila info data o sile signalu dolu do Linuxu > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > > > Tak jsem doladil LCD z GME na Laduv Crusader : > > > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=66333#post66333 > > > > > > Moc hezky, Martine. Predpokladam, ze ten displej > > je rizeny PICem, je to tak? > > > > Na Ventusu jsem koukal, ze profi pojitka maji > > na zadni stene trvale svitici bar z rudych > > obdelnikovych LEDek kryty plexisklem. Plus > > nejake dalsi indikace. Takze kazdy ma jedinym > > pohledem primo u pojitka ve dne v noci levny > > prehled o sile signalu a stavu spoje. > > > > Standa > > > > > > -- > > VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu > > a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! > > http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at beton.cybernet.src Wed Nov 26 14:55:25 2003 From: clock at beton.cybernet.src (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed Nov 26 14:55:45 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 02:32:46PM +0100 References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <88143e167f4419e0c52184936ada387a@www1.mail.volny.cz> <001301c3b41f$476086c0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031126155525.C1089@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 02:32:46PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Kazdopadne je tam ten LCD znakovy display zbytecne, ja bych tam dal led > bargraf za par korun. > Bud primo s prevodnikem napeti/sloupec (ma vyhodu v tom, ze ma na vystupech > riditelne zdroje proudu a tak se tam ty ledky pripoji rovnou), nebo i s > jednocipem, kdyby bylo potreba tu uroven posilat po RS232. Obsahujou jednocipy A/D prevodnik? Jaky jednocip je vhodny z hlediska: * open/free zdrojak k HW programatoru * open/free program ktery to pres to naprogramuje ? Jaky je nejlevnejsi bezne sehnatelny (GM, GES) jednocip co splnuje takoveto pozadavky a umi A/D prevodnik? Jo BTW znate tohle? http://www.liberouter.org/documents/combo6.pdf http://www.liberouter.org Je to open/free vyvoj, myslim ze 8-vrstvej tistak, PCI karta, Nx1Gbps opticky rozhrani ;-) Vsimnul jsem si ze to smergovali i s nasim starym dobrym matfyzackym BIRDem (OSPF demon), kdyby se to merglo jeste s Ronjou tak by byla hezka platforma co by se dala na strechu a routovalo by to Nx1Gbps opticky bezdratove samonosne (bez nutnosti extra routeru) - a samozrejme vsechny designy HW + SW open/free - to by byla lahudka :) Cl< > Jakub Ladman > > Dne st 26. listopadu 2003 14:14 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > Atmel 89c2051 > > > > ma na starosti 2 veci: > > 1) budi LCD > > 2) pres MAX232 posila info data o sile signalu dolu do Linuxu > > > > Martin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > > > > > Tak jsem doladil LCD z GME na Laduv Crusader : > > > > > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=66333#post66333 > > > > > > > > > Moc hezky, Martine. Predpokladam, ze ten displej > > > je rizeny PICem, je to tak? > > > > > > Na Ventusu jsem koukal, ze profi pojitka maji > > > na zadni stene trvale svitici bar z rudych > > > obdelnikovych LEDek kryty plexisklem. Plus > > > nejake dalsi indikace. Takze kazdy ma jedinym > > > pohledem primo u pojitka ve dne v noci levny > > > prehled o sile signalu a stavu spoje. > > > > > > Standa > > > > > > > > > -- > > > VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu > > > a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! > > > http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Nov 26 15:05:09 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Nov 26 15:06:08 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <88143e167f4419e0c52184936ada387a@www1.mail.volny.cz> <001301c3b41f$476086c0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <000601c3b42e$af2d9040$0101a8c0@cz> Problem LED bargrafu vs LCD baragrafu jsem s Ladou resil asi pred 2 mesici. LED bargraf je fajn...v noci, ale pres den na nej neuvidis. Kdezto podsvicenej LCD je dobre videt jak v noci, tak i pres den a o to tu slo...dobre citelnej merak v noci i za slunecniho dne. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > Kazdopadne je tam ten LCD znakovy display zbytecne, ja bych tam dal led > bargraf za par korun. > Bud primo s prevodnikem napeti/sloupec (ma vyhodu v tom, ze ma na vystupech > riditelne zdroje proudu a tak se tam ty ledky pripoji rovnou), nebo i s > jednocipem, kdyby bylo potreba tu uroven posilat po RS232. > Jakub Ladman > > Dne st 26. listopadu 2003 14:14 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > Atmel 89c2051 > > > > ma na starosti 2 veci: > > 1) budi LCD > > 2) pres MAX232 posila info data o sile signalu dolu do Linuxu > > > > Martin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > > > > > Tak jsem doladil LCD z GME na Laduv Crusader : > > > > > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=66333#post66333 > > > > > > > > > Moc hezky, Martine. Predpokladam, ze ten displej > > > je rizeny PICem, je to tak? > > > > > > Na Ventusu jsem koukal, ze profi pojitka maji > > > na zadni stene trvale svitici bar z rudych > > > obdelnikovych LEDek kryty plexisklem. Plus > > > nejake dalsi indikace. Takze kazdy ma jedinym > > > pohledem primo u pojitka ve dne v noci levny > > > prehled o sile signalu a stavu spoje. > > > > > > Standa > > > > > > > > > -- > > > VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu > > > a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! > > > http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Nov 26 15:15:12 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Nov 26 15:16:11 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <88143e167f4419e0c52184936ada387a@www1.mail.volny.cz> <001301c3b41f$476086c0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20031126155525.C1089@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000d01c3b430$16f83120$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhavy" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 02:32:46PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Kazdopadne je tam ten LCD znakovy display zbytecne, ja bych tam dal led > > bargraf za par korun. > > Bud primo s prevodnikem napeti/sloupec (ma vyhodu v tom, ze ma na vystupech > > riditelne zdroje proudu a tak se tam ty ledky pripoji rovnou), nebo i s > > jednocipem, kdyby bylo potreba tu uroven posilat po RS232. > > Obsahujou jednocipy A/D prevodnik? Nektere typy ano, ale jsou extra drahe. > > Jaky jednocip je vhodny z hlediska: > * open/free zdrojak k HW programatoru Zatim only Lada. > * open/free program ktery to pres to naprogramuje Pony prog...na Atmela je toho hromada..... > > ? > > Jaky je nejlevnejsi bezne sehnatelny (GM, GES) jednocip co > splnuje takoveto pozadavky a umi A/D prevodnik? Atmel 89c2051-24SI SMD koupis v GME za 90,- AD LTC1286 koupis v GME za 320,- Programuji to pres LabProg+ (mam i konvertor patic na SMD), Lada to programuje pres nejake udelatko (tusim Pony) . Binar nemam...jen Lada...takze obratit se na nej. > > Jo BTW znate tohle? > > http://www.liberouter.org/documents/combo6.pdf > http://www.liberouter.org > > Je to open/free vyvoj, myslim ze 8-vrstvej tistak, PCI karta, > Nx1Gbps opticky rozhrani ;-) > > Vsimnul jsem si ze to smergovali i s nasim starym dobrym matfyzackym BIRDem > (OSPF demon), kdyby se to merglo jeste s Ronjou tak by byla hezka platforma co > by se dala na strechu a routovalo by to Nx1Gbps opticky bezdratove samonosne > (bez nutnosti extra routeru) - a samozrejme vsechny designy HW + SW open/free - > to by byla lahudka :) > > Cl< > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > Dne st 26. listopadu 2003 14:14 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > Atmel 89c2051 > > > > > > ma na starosti 2 veci: > > > 1) budi LCD > > > 2) pres MAX232 posila info data o sile signalu dolu do Linuxu > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > > > > > > > Tak jsem doladil LCD z GME na Laduv Crusader : > > > > > > > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=66333#post66333 > > > > > > > > > > > > Moc hezky, Martine. Predpokladam, ze ten displej > > > > je rizeny PICem, je to tak? > > > > > > > > Na Ventusu jsem koukal, ze profi pojitka maji > > > > na zadni stene trvale svitici bar z rudych > > > > obdelnikovych LEDek kryty plexisklem. Plus > > > > nejake dalsi indikace. Takze kazdy ma jedinym > > > > pohledem primo u pojitka ve dne v noci levny > > > > prehled o sile signalu a stavu spoje. > > > > > > > > Standa > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu > > > > a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! > > > > http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From jo_jo at post.cz Wed Nov 26 15:28:47 2003 From: jo_jo at post.cz (jo_jo) Date: Wed Nov 26 15:29:08 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <20031126155525.C1089@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <88143e167f4419e0c52184936ada387a@www1.mail.volny.cz> <001301c3b41f$476086c0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20031126155525.C1089@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <3FC4C6AF.2050808@post.cz> Vhodne jednocipy by mohly byt Atmel : - ATmega8 - AT90S4433 Obsahuji 10 bit , 6 kanalovy A/D prevodnik. Kompilator a knihovny: http://www.avrfreaks.net/AVRGCC/index.php http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/avr-libc/snapshots/ Karel Kulhavy wrote: >On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 02:32:46PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > >>Kazdopadne je tam ten LCD znakovy display zbytecne, ja bych tam dal led >>bargraf za par korun. >>Bud primo s prevodnikem napeti/sloupec (ma vyhodu v tom, ze ma na vystupech >>riditelne zdroje proudu a tak se tam ty ledky pripoji rovnou), nebo i s >>jednocipem, kdyby bylo potreba tu uroven posilat po RS232. >> >> > >Obsahujou jednocipy A/D prevodnik? > >Jaky jednocip je vhodny z hlediska: >* open/free zdrojak k HW programatoru >* open/free program ktery to pres to naprogramuje > >? > >Jaky je nejlevnejsi bezne sehnatelny (GM, GES) jednocip co >splnuje takoveto pozadavky a umi A/D prevodnik? > >Jo BTW znate tohle? > >http://www.liberouter.org/documents/combo6.pdf >http://www.liberouter.org > >Je to open/free vyvoj, myslim ze 8-vrstvej tistak, PCI karta, >Nx1Gbps opticky rozhrani ;-) > >Vsimnul jsem si ze to smergovali i s nasim starym dobrym matfyzackym BIRDem >(OSPF demon), kdyby se to merglo jeste s Ronjou tak by byla hezka platforma co >by se dala na strechu a routovalo by to Nx1Gbps opticky bezdratove samonosne >(bez nutnosti extra routeru) - a samozrejme vsechny designy HW + SW open/free - >to by byla lahudka :) > >Cl > > > From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Nov 26 15:46:28 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Nov 26 15:46:36 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <20031126155525.C1089@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20031126155525.C1089@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311261646.28240.ladmanj@volny.cz> Ja pouzivam radu ATMMEL AVR, programuji v C prekladam GCC (avrgcc) programuji uisp, nebo avrdude, vsechno GPL, nebo BSD license. Je trochu problem s emulatorem/debuggerem protoze neexistuje kvalitni emulator pod linux. gdb (avr-gdb) funguje s avarice (pres rozhrani jtag, jako in system bebugger) ale hw je drahy (cca 12.000) emulovat to v pc lze pomoci simulavr kery se taky pripoji k avr-gdb, ale podporovano je jen par typu jednocipu a ne moc dobre. Kvalitni simulator je k dispozici zdarma primo od atmelu, ale jen pod wokna a sice avrstudio. Pres vsechny problemy jsem s tim spokojen. Jakub Ladman Dne st 26. listopadu 2003 15:55 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 02:32:46PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Kazdopadne je tam ten LCD znakovy display zbytecne, ja bych tam dal led > > bargraf za par korun. > > Bud primo s prevodnikem napeti/sloupec (ma vyhodu v tom, ze ma na > > vystupech riditelne zdroje proudu a tak se tam ty ledky pripoji rovnou), > > nebo i s jednocipem, kdyby bylo potreba tu uroven posilat po RS232. > > Obsahujou jednocipy A/D prevodnik? > > Jaky jednocip je vhodny z hlediska: > * open/free zdrojak k HW programatoru > * open/free program ktery to pres to naprogramuje > > ? > > Jaky je nejlevnejsi bezne sehnatelny (GM, GES) jednocip co > splnuje takoveto pozadavky a umi A/D prevodnik? > > Jo BTW znate tohle? > > http://www.liberouter.org/documents/combo6.pdf > http://www.liberouter.org > > Je to open/free vyvoj, myslim ze 8-vrstvej tistak, PCI karta, > Nx1Gbps opticky rozhrani ;-) > > Vsimnul jsem si ze to smergovali i s nasim starym dobrym matfyzackym BIRDem > (OSPF demon), kdyby se to merglo jeste s Ronjou tak by byla hezka platforma > co by se dala na strechu a routovalo by to Nx1Gbps opticky bezdratove > samonosne (bez nutnosti extra routeru) - a samozrejme vsechny designy HW + > SW open/free - to by byla lahudka :) > > Cl< > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > Dne st 26. listopadu 2003 14:14 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > Atmel 89c2051 > > > > > > ma na starosti 2 veci: > > > 1) budi LCD > > > 2) pres MAX232 posila info data o sile signalu dolu do Linuxu > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > > > > > > > Tak jsem doladil LCD z GME na Laduv Crusader : > > > > > > > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=66333#post66333 > > > > > > > > > > > > Moc hezky, Martine. Predpokladam, ze ten displej > > > > je rizeny PICem, je to tak? > > > > > > > > Na Ventusu jsem koukal, ze profi pojitka maji > > > > na zadni stene trvale svitici bar z rudych > > > > obdelnikovych LEDek kryty plexisklem. Plus > > > > nejake dalsi indikace. Takze kazdy ma jedinym > > > > pohledem primo u pojitka ve dne v noci levny > > > > prehled o sile signalu a stavu spoje. > > > > > > > > Standa > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu > > > > a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! > > > > http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Nov 26 15:55:17 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Nov 26 15:55:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <000d01c3b430$16f83120$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20031126155525.C1089@beton.cybernet.src> <000d01c3b430$16f83120$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200311261655.17352.ladmanj@volny.cz> > > Jaky je nejlevnejsi bezne sehnatelny (GM, GES) jednocip co > > splnuje takoveto pozadavky a umi A/D prevodnik? > > Atmel 89c2051-24SI SMD koupis v GME za 90,- > AD LTC1286 koupis v GME za 320,- > Programuji to pres LabProg+ (mam i konvertor patic na SMD), Lada to > programuje pres nejake udelatko (tusim Pony) . > Binar nemam...jen Lada...takze obratit se na nej. Hmm tak to je kurva drahy. Ja pouzivam na male veci AT90S4433 (uz je vybehovy ale je lepsi pinove i softwarove kompatibilni nahrada) protoze jich mam zasobicku. Ma 6x A/D prevodnik, vyborne dispozice k programovani v C (ne jako jadro 51, nebo PIC) a kus st?l p?ed dv?ma lety 60k? Na vetsi veci mam ATmega64 to uz je delo, max 16MHz/16MIPS, 2xUSART, spi, i2c, 4kB SRAM, 2kB EEPROM, 64kB (32kW) FLASH 8xA/D, 1x8bit timer 2x16 bit timer. Proste parada za 300,- Programuji se na rozdil od AT802051 primo v aplikaci petivodicovym programatorem. Jak uz jsem psal free soft pod linux. MCS-51 nasrat. (ale zacinal jsem na nich, takze jim skladam dik, ale ...) From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Nov 26 16:12:08 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Nov 26 16:12:15 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <000601c3b42e$af2d9040$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000601c3b42e$af2d9040$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200311261712.08650.ladmanj@volny.cz> > Problem LED bargrafu vs LCD baragrafu jsem s Ladou resil asi pred 2 mesici. > LED bargraf je fajn...v noci, ale pres den na nej neuvidis. > Kdezto podsvicenej LCD je dobre videt jak v noci, tak i pres den a o to tu > slo...dobre citelnej merak v noci i za slunecniho dne. Tenhle argument neuznavam. Udelam si treba strisku. LCD 2x16 se da sehnat i za 150, kdyz clovek neni blbej aby to kupoval v GM, ale bargraf stoji 15,- Ja pouzivam LCD znakovy displaye mohutne, ale na tohle bych ho proste nepouzil. Navic LCD nemaji radi mraz. Kdyz uz bych si nedovedl poradit se slunickem, tak bych koupil za dve kila modul co ma v sobe prevodnik a 3 1/2 mistny (7sgm) display k tomu operak, aby to ukazovalo dejme tomu 0-100 a je to stejne lepsi. Znakovej bych pouzil jen v pripade, ze by bylo co jinyho na tom zobrazovat. Proste se mi nelibi, ze by mel byt takhle nevyuzitej. Jakub Ladman From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Nov 26 16:58:38 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Nov 26 16:59:45 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <88143e167f4419e0c52184936ada387a@www1.mail.volny.cz> <001301c3b41f$476086c0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20031126155525.C1089@beton.cybernet.src> <000d01c3b430$16f83120$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <000601c3b43e$89a882c0$0101a8c0@cz> Jinak takhle programuji ja: http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=66463#post66463 Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhavy" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 02:32:46PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > > Kazdopadne je tam ten LCD znakovy display zbytecne, ja bych tam dal led > > > bargraf za par korun. > > > Bud primo s prevodnikem napeti/sloupec (ma vyhodu v tom, ze ma na > vystupech > > > riditelne zdroje proudu a tak se tam ty ledky pripoji rovnou), nebo i s > > > jednocipem, kdyby bylo potreba tu uroven posilat po RS232. > > > > Obsahujou jednocipy A/D prevodnik? > > Nektere typy ano, ale jsou extra drahe. > > > > > Jaky jednocip je vhodny z hlediska: > > * open/free zdrojak k HW programatoru > Zatim only Lada. > > > * open/free program ktery to pres to naprogramuje > Pony prog...na Atmela je toho hromada..... > > > > > ? > > > > Jaky je nejlevnejsi bezne sehnatelny (GM, GES) jednocip co > > splnuje takoveto pozadavky a umi A/D prevodnik? > > Atmel 89c2051-24SI SMD koupis v GME za 90,- > AD LTC1286 koupis v GME za 320,- > Programuji to pres LabProg+ (mam i konvertor patic na SMD), Lada to > programuje pres nejake udelatko (tusim Pony) . > Binar nemam...jen Lada...takze obratit se na nej. > > > > > > Jo BTW znate tohle? > > > > http://www.liberouter.org/documents/combo6.pdf > > http://www.liberouter.org > > > > Je to open/free vyvoj, myslim ze 8-vrstvej tistak, PCI karta, > > Nx1Gbps opticky rozhrani ;-) > > > > Vsimnul jsem si ze to smergovali i s nasim starym dobrym matfyzackym > BIRDem > > (OSPF demon), kdyby se to merglo jeste s Ronjou tak by byla hezka > platforma co > > by se dala na strechu a routovalo by to Nx1Gbps opticky bezdratove > samonosne > > (bez nutnosti extra routeru) - a samozrejme vsechny designy HW + SW > open/free - > > to by byla lahudka :) > > > > Cl< > > > > > Jakub Ladman > > > > > > Dne st 26. listopadu 2003 14:14 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > > Atmel 89c2051 > > > > > > > > ma na starosti 2 veci: > > > > 1) budi LCD > > > > 2) pres MAX232 posila info data o sile signalu dolu do Linuxu > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:05 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > > > > > > > > > Tak jsem doladil LCD z GME na Laduv Crusader : > > > > > > > > > > http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=66333#post66333 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moc hezky, Martine. Predpokladam, ze ten displej > > > > > je rizeny PICem, je to tak? > > > > > > > > > > Na Ventusu jsem koukal, ze profi pojitka maji > > > > > na zadni stene trvale svitici bar z rudych > > > > > obdelnikovych LEDek kryty plexisklem. Plus > > > > > nejake dalsi indikace. Takze kazdy ma jedinym > > > > > pohledem primo u pojitka ve dne v noci levny > > > > > prehled o sile signalu a stavu spoje. > > > > > > > > > > Standa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > VOLNY Bingo - vyzvednete si svou hraci kartu > > > > > a vyhrajte nekterou z 38 cen! > > > > > http://soutez.volny.cz/slepa.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Nov 26 17:06:23 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Nov 26 17:07:19 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000601c3b42e$af2d9040$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261712.08650.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <001301c3b43f$9eb97740$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > Problem LED bargrafu vs LCD baragrafu jsem s Ladou resil asi pred 2 mesici. > > LED bargraf je fajn...v noci, ale pres den na nej neuvidis. > > Kdezto podsvicenej LCD je dobre videt jak v noci, tak i pres den a o to tu > > slo...dobre citelnej merak v noci i za slunecniho dne. > > Tenhle argument neuznavam. > Udelam si treba strisku. Strisku se mi delat nechce, mam vyrizlej obdelnik do 5mm plechu (zadni zaviraci viko) a v nom vlepene plexisklo. Takze zadni stena je v rovine (mimo konektoru 8HAM-DIN / 6HAM-DIN kde jsou vyvedeny signaly na RX rouru a ethernet s napajenim) . > LCD 2x16 se da sehnat i za 150, kdyz clovek neni blbej aby to kupoval v GM, > ale bargraf stoji 15,- V tomhle mas pravdu. > Ja pouzivam LCD znakovy displaye mohutne, ale na tohle bych ho proste > nepouzil. Navic LCD nemaji radi mraz. Mraz jsem poresil.... v roure kde je elektronika je i vytapeni, takze teplota stabilne pres rok +5 az +40st . > Kdyz uz bych si nedovedl poradit se slunickem, tak bych koupil za dve kila > modul co ma v sobe prevodnik a 3 1/2 mistny (7sgm) display k tomu operak, aby > to ukazovalo dejme tomu 0-100 a je to stejne lepsi. > Znakovej bych pouzil jen v pripade, ze by bylo co jinyho na tom zobrazovat. Do budoucna bude zobrazovat i packety , zamereni (TX osa se da remote stelovat +- 4st) a vykon laseru. Plan je dat do roury i mikroweb s 89s52, ladeni +-4st mam predbezne otestovano 4" jacky z pozicioneru na satelit. > Proste se mi nelibi, ze by mel byt takhle nevyuzitej. > > Jakub Ladman > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From ronja at tux.fi.cz Wed Nov 26 19:34:34 2003 From: ronja at tux.fi.cz (Roman Safranek) Date: Wed Nov 26 19:34:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <001301c3b43f$9eb97740$0101a8c0@cz> References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000601c3b42e$af2d9040$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261712.08650.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001301c3b43f$9eb97740$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <3FC5004A.40502@tux.fi.cz> A uvazuje/pracuje se taky na zvukove signalizaci? Kdyz clovek neco zameruje... (pravda, platit to spise u anten), tak nema moc cas cumet na nejaky display... Proto by bylo zajimavejsi vytvarez zvukovy vystup - velmi slaby signal - tukani az velmi silny signal vysoky ton. Jinak osobne bych pro sledovani sily signalu preferoval "prenosny modu", ktery bych si kusem kabelu pripojil k ronji (coz by vyzadovalo nejaky vode odolny konektor a taky ho umistit tak, abych nemusel na zarizeni pusobit prilisnou silou - abych s tim proste nepohnul. Potom staci jediny modul i pokud mam pojitek vice. -=RYS=- napsal(a): >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jakub Ladman" >To: "Twibright Ronja" >Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:12 PM >Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > > > >>>Problem LED bargrafu vs LCD baragrafu jsem s Ladou resil asi pred 2 >>> >>> >mesici. > > >>>LED bargraf je fajn...v noci, ale pres den na nej neuvidis. >>>Kdezto podsvicenej LCD je dobre videt jak v noci, tak i pres den a o to >>> >>> >tu > > >>>slo...dobre citelnej merak v noci i za slunecniho dne. >>> >>> >>Tenhle argument neuznavam. >>Udelam si treba strisku. >> >> > >Strisku se mi delat nechce, mam vyrizlej obdelnik do 5mm plechu (zadni >zaviraci viko) a v nom vlepene plexisklo. >Takze zadni stena je v rovine (mimo konektoru 8HAM-DIN / 6HAM-DIN kde jsou >vyvedeny signaly na RX rouru a ethernet s napajenim) . > > > > >>LCD 2x16 se da sehnat i za 150, kdyz clovek neni blbej aby to kupoval v >> >> >GM, > > >>ale bargraf stoji 15,- >> >> > >V tomhle mas pravdu. > > > >>Ja pouzivam LCD znakovy displaye mohutne, ale na tohle bych ho proste >>nepouzil. Navic LCD nemaji radi mraz. >> >> > >Mraz jsem poresil.... v roure kde je elektronika je i vytapeni, takze >teplota stabilne pres rok +5 az +40st . > > > > >>Kdyz uz bych si nedovedl poradit se slunickem, tak bych koupil za dve kila >>modul co ma v sobe prevodnik a 3 1/2 mistny (7sgm) display k tomu operak, >> >> >aby > > >>to ukazovalo dejme tomu 0-100 a je to stejne lepsi. >>Znakovej bych pouzil jen v pripade, ze by bylo co jinyho na tom >> >> >zobrazovat. > >Do budoucna bude zobrazovat i packety , zamereni (TX osa se da remote >stelovat +- 4st) a vykon laseru. >Plan je dat do roury i mikroweb s 89s52, ladeni +-4st mam predbezne >otestovano 4" jacky z pozicioneru na satelit. > > > >>Proste se mi nelibi, ze by mel byt takhle nevyuzitej. >> >>Jakub Ladman >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Ronja mailing list >Ronja@lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > From wpeople at ms.hu Thu Nov 27 07:19:21 2003 From: wpeople at ms.hu (Woodoo People .pGa!) Date: Thu Nov 27 07:19:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Airborne TP PCB In-Reply-To: <003101c3b463$d7ae9250$0200a8c0@juan> References: <003101c3b463$d7ae9250$0200a8c0@juan> Message-ID: <20031127071921.GA3485@Shadow.ms.hu> > Has someone successfully tested Airborne PCB TP Interface or any other PCB TP Interface ? > > I would like to build two TP interfaces but airwire didn't give good results to me. The 1st prototypes of Airborne's TP is running well on Kecskemet #2 link. It's switchable between AUI/TP (both end have to use the same settings) -- WoodOO-[P]an[G]alaktikan[A]gent-People <][> http://shadow.pganet.com wpeople@shadow.pganet.com]iCQ#33118021[wpeople.on.iRCNet]wpeople@RedHat.users From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 27 09:52:13 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 27 09:52:16 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <3FC5004A.40502@tux.fi.cz>; from ronja@tux.fi.cz on Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 08:34:34PM +0100 References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000601c3b42e$af2d9040$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261712.08650.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001301c3b43f$9eb97740$0101a8c0@cz> <3FC5004A.40502@tux.fi.cz> Message-ID: <20031127105213.B259@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 08:34:34PM +0100, Roman Safranek wrote: > A uvazuje/pracuje se taky na zvukove signalizaci? Ano, Trinitrack ji podporuje. Cl< > > Kdyz clovek neco zameruje... (pravda, platit to spise u anten), tak nema > moc cas cumet na nejaky display... Proto by bylo zajimavejsi vytvarez > zvukovy vystup - velmi slaby signal - tukani az velmi silny signal > vysoky ton. > > Jinak osobne bych pro sledovani sily signalu preferoval "prenosny modu", > ktery bych si kusem kabelu pripojil k ronji (coz by vyzadovalo nejaky > vode odolny konektor a taky ho umistit tak, abych nemusel na zarizeni > pusobit prilisnou silou - abych s tim proste nepohnul. Potom staci > jediny modul i pokud mam pojitek vice. > From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 27 09:52:50 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 27 09:52:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Cocky 75mm In-Reply-To: <000a01c3b461$26b02010$3b6abfd5@rastr>; from dj_boy@seznam.cz on Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 10:06:21PM +0100 References: <000a01c3b461$26b02010$3b6abfd5@rastr> Message-ID: <20031127105250.C259@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 10:06:21PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > Cau lidi. Poradi nekdo jaky by maj mit parametry 75mm cocky ? 130ky uz jste poradili, tak jeste ty 75mm :) Jakakoliv lupa o prumeru 75mm. Cl< From marble at matfyz.cz Thu Nov 27 11:10:32 2003 From: marble at matfyz.cz (Martin Beranek) Date: Thu Nov 27 11:11:34 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <20031126155525.C1089@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <88143e167f4419e0c52184936ada387a@www1.mail.volny.cz> <001301c3b41f$476086c0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20031126155525.C1089@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031127111032.GA29679@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> > Obsahujou jednocipy A/D prevodnik? Reseni pouzivany u levnejsich (starsich?) mericich karet je D/A prevodnik plus komparator. O cenach A/D prevodniku nemam moc prehled, ale pokud tam ten jednocip uz bude, tak pridat tam nejaky D/A + komparator je myslim prakticky zadarmo. :) Marble From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 27 12:35:26 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 27 12:35:50 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Distance Measuring Failure In-Reply-To: <20031124083045.GA8854@Shadow.ms.hu>; from wpeople@ms.hu on Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 09:30:45AM +0100 References: <20031124083045.GA8854@Shadow.ms.hu> Message-ID: <20031127133526.A529@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 09:30:45AM +0100, Woodoo People .pGa! wrote: > Hi Guys! > > I'm new here, but i'm running two ronja links in Kecskemet/Hungary > (you can check them on gallery :-) > > As reported in Gallery, my longest link is 1.7km, but in fact I have replaced it with 1.3km. > it's only 1.3km (in the summer, i've got a navman jacket > for my iPaq, and write down the coordinates, and counted the distance > by Geo::Distance module of perl - that was my fault. Now, i have an Is there a bug in Geo::Distance? > Etraxx Vista from garmin, and it can measure distance also) Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Nov 27 13:07:19 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Nov 27 13:24:43 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <3FC5004A.40502@tux.fi.cz> References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000601c3b42e$af2d9040$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261712.08650.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001301c3b43f$9eb97740$0101a8c0@cz> <3FC5004A.40502@tux.fi.cz> Message-ID: <4414653.20031127140719@volny.cz> V principu by stacil nejaky prevodnik napeti na frekvenci. Proste vyska piskani by byla podle napeti na RSSI. Ale konkretni realizace me nenapada. OndraT RS> A uvazuje/pracuje se taky na zvukove signalizaci? RS> Kdyz clovek neco zameruje... (pravda, platit to spise u anten), tak nema RS> moc cas cumet na nejaky display... Proto by bylo zajimavejsi vytvarez RS> zvukovy vystup - velmi slaby signal - tukani az velmi silny signal RS> vysoky ton. RS> Jinak osobne bych pro sledovani sily signalu preferoval "prenosny modu", RS> ktery bych si kusem kabelu pripojil k ronji (coz by vyzadovalo nejaky RS> vode odolny konektor a taky ho umistit tak, abych nemusel na zarizeni RS> pusobit prilisnou silou - abych s tim proste nepohnul. Potom staci RS> jediny modul i pokud mam pojitek vice. RS> -=RYS=- napsal(a): >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jakub Ladman" >>To: "Twibright Ronja" >>Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:12 PM >>Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak >> >> >> >> >>>>Problem LED bargrafu vs LCD baragrafu jsem s Ladou resil asi pred 2 >>>> >>>> >>mesici. >> >> >>>>LED bargraf je fajn...v noci, ale pres den na nej neuvidis. >>>>Kdezto podsvicenej LCD je dobre videt jak v noci, tak i pres den a o to >>>> >>>> >>tu >> >> >>>>slo...dobre citelnej merak v noci i za slunecniho dne. >>>> >>>> >>>Tenhle argument neuznavam. >>>Udelam si treba strisku. >>> >>> >> >>Strisku se mi delat nechce, mam vyrizlej obdelnik do 5mm plechu (zadni >>zaviraci viko) a v nom vlepene plexisklo. >>Takze zadni stena je v rovine (mimo konektoru 8HAM-DIN / 6HAM-DIN kde jsou >>vyvedeny signaly na RX rouru a ethernet s napajenim) . >> >> >> >> >>>LCD 2x16 se da sehnat i za 150, kdyz clovek neni blbej aby to kupoval v >>> >>> >>GM, >> >> >>>ale bargraf stoji 15,- >>> >>> >> >>V tomhle mas pravdu. >> >> >> >>>Ja pouzivam LCD znakovy displaye mohutne, ale na tohle bych ho proste >>>nepouzil. Navic LCD nemaji radi mraz. >>> >>> >> >>Mraz jsem poresil.... v roure kde je elektronika je i vytapeni, takze >>teplota stabilne pres rok +5 az +40st . >> >> >> >> >>>Kdyz uz bych si nedovedl poradit se slunickem, tak bych koupil za dve kila >>>modul co ma v sobe prevodnik a 3 1/2 mistny (7sgm) display k tomu operak, >>> >>> >>aby >> >> >>>to ukazovalo dejme tomu 0-100 a je to stejne lepsi. >>>Znakovej bych pouzil jen v pripade, ze by bylo co jinyho na tom >>> >>> >>zobrazovat. >> >>Do budoucna bude zobrazovat i packety , zamereni (TX osa se da remote >>stelovat +- 4st) a vykon laseru. >>Plan je dat do roury i mikroweb s 89s52, ladeni +-4st mam predbezne >>otestovano 4" jacky z pozicioneru na satelit. >> >> >> >>>Proste se mi nelibi, ze by mel byt takhle nevyuzitej. >>> >>>Jakub Ladman >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Ronja mailing list >>>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ronja mailing list >>Ronja@lists.pointless.net >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja >> >> >> RS> _______________________________________________ RS> Ronja mailing list RS> Ronja@lists.pointless.net RS> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Nov 27 13:13:00 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Nov 27 13:25:08 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Postrehy In-Reply-To: <3FC3CDA9.3010.A82ADC@localhost> References: <3FC3CDA9.3010.A82ADC@localhost> Message-ID: <193755637.20031127141300@volny.cz> Me tyhle superdrahe tranzistory z GESu funguji. Takze to asi byla nahoda a odkracel do kremikoveho nebe. BWT: Nevite nekdo, kde je v Praze sehnat levneji? OndraT Sscc> 2) Tranzistor BF960 nakoupeny za nekrestanskych 50Kc v GES. Problem bylo napeti Sscc> Ug2-s, zcela neodpovidajici pouzitemu odporovemu delici. Po odpojeni "horniho" Sscc> odporu bylo na G2 stale napeti asi 2V. Po uplnem odpojeni delice a ponechani Sscc> kondenzatoru byly namereny 4V. Vypada to, ze ma tento tranzistor nejaky tzv. internal Sscc> biasing. Podotykam, ze tranzistor stale zesiloval, takze asi nebyl prorazeny. Bohuzel Sscc> pred dokoncenim mereni se me ho podarilo zlikvidovat odlomenim nozicky, takze to Sscc> nevim na 100procent. From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Nov 27 13:20:12 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Nov 27 13:25:21 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <200311241000.43436.zapadlo@melzer.cz> References: <20031123100213.A29103@beton.cybernet.src> <200311241000.43436.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <811186908.20031127142012@volny.cz> Akorat je problem, jak to objektivne posuzovat. Mam ted na stole Rx 3x hnizdo a jednou DPS vlastni navrh. Chodi vsechno na 2m bez optiky. Ta DPS verze ma u mereni RSSI tech 820R paralelne a data chodi do 0.4mV RSSI. Ta hnizdova je stavena podle te dalsi verze bez 820R a data chodi asi do 10mV. Mozna by stalo za to ho tam zkusit pridat. Myslite, ze ma cenu delat tu novou verzi mereni RSSI (2x dioda)? V cem je lepsi? Pokud vas napada, co by se dalo jeste porovnat (ruzne verze ve schematech) tak to muzu zkusit, na stole to jde docela dobre, na strese by se mi do toho uz moc nechtelo :-) Mam totiz pocit, ze nektere verze schematu nebyly otstovany, pouze vymysleny. OndraT PZ> 2) Na stole je treba si vyzkouset pri jakych RSSI jeste chodi data, kdy PZ> zacinaji vypadavat apod. PZ> U me to bylo cca 1.5m, RSSI cca 0.3mV kdyz linka zacala vykazovat chybne PZ> pakety. Pri 0.2mV to uz bylo nepouzitelne. Pri 0.4mV nevypadaval zadny PZ> paket. Provedeni RSSI bylo stare, tj odpor 100ohmu v serii a 800 paralel. From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Nov 27 13:34:49 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Nov 27 13:36:27 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <811186908.20031127142012@volny.cz> References: <200311241000.43436.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <811186908.20031127142012@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200311271434.49531.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 27. listopadu 2003 14:20 Ondrej Tesar napsal(a): > Akorat je problem, jak to objektivne posuzovat. > Mam ted na stole Rx 3x hnizdo a jednou DPS vlastni navrh. Chodi > vsechno na 2m bez optiky. Ta DPS verze ma u mereni RSSI tech 820R paralelne > a data chodi do 0.4mV RSSI. Ta hnizdova je stavena podle te dalsi verze bez > 820R a data chodi asi do 10mV. Mozna by stalo za to ho tam zkusit > pridat. Dal bych tam cca 8k, at je to ve stejnem pomeru (100/820 = 1k/8k), potom by to melo ukazovat vicemene stejne, jen je otazkou co tam udela ten zdvojovac. > Myslite, ze ma cenu delat tu novou verzi mereni RSSI (2x dioda)? V cem > je lepsi? Dle slov Clocka mene zatezuje ne592 a ten mene mrsi signal, ale urcite se to projevi jen v noci kdyz se tam nedostava sum z pin diody. > Pokud vas napada, co by se dalo jeste porovnat (ruzne verze ve > schematech) tak to muzu zkusit, na stole to jde docela dobre, na > strese by se mi do toho uz moc nechtelo :-) Mam totiz pocit, ze > nektere verze schematu nebyly otstovany, pouze vymysleny. > Jeste dotaz, kmita vam prijimac (pripadne prijima bludy?) kdyz je odkrytovany (vrabci hnizdo)? mam tady jeden superstabilni, ktery se chova velmi pekne, ale mam pocit ze je ponekud tupejsi, ale uz je na strese, takze se mi to nechce moc testovat. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Nov 27 13:53:01 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Nov 27 13:54:32 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000601c3b42e$af2d9040$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261712.08650.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001301c3b43f$9eb97740$0101a8c0@cz> <3FC5004A.40502@tux.fi.cz> <20031127105213.B259@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000c01c3b4ed$c61639a0$0101a8c0@cz> Vubec neni problem vyresit zvukovou signalizaci. Proste napeti z RSSI napojis na oscik s NE555 a tento RSSI signal bude ridit kmitocet. NF vystup z NE555 napojis na mikrofon nejakeho PMR446 a na druhe strane kde zamerujes si na druhem PMR446 nastavis stejnej kanal a budes poslouchat ton. Dle tonu poznas jak a kam miris. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 08:34:34PM +0100, Roman Safranek wrote: > > A uvazuje/pracuje se taky na zvukove signalizaci? > > Ano, Trinitrack ji podporuje. > > Cl< > > > > > Kdyz clovek neco zameruje... (pravda, platit to spise u anten), tak nema > > moc cas cumet na nejaky display... Proto by bylo zajimavejsi vytvarez > > zvukovy vystup - velmi slaby signal - tukani az velmi silny signal > > vysoky ton. > > > > Jinak osobne bych pro sledovani sily signalu preferoval "prenosny modu", > > ktery bych si kusem kabelu pripojil k ronji (coz by vyzadovalo nejaky > > vode odolny konektor a taky ho umistit tak, abych nemusel na zarizeni > > pusobit prilisnou silou - abych s tim proste nepohnul. Potom staci > > jediny modul i pokud mam pojitek vice. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Nov 27 13:56:39 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Nov 27 13:57:43 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti References: <200311241000.43436.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <811186908.20031127142012@volny.cz> <200311271434.49531.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <001901c3b4ee$47894360$0101a8c0@cz> > > Myslite, ze ma cenu delat tu novou verzi mereni RSSI (2x dioda)? V cem > > je lepsi? > > Dle slov Clocka mene zatezuje ne592 a ten mene mrsi signal, ale urcite se to > projevi jen v noci kdyz se tam nedostava sum z pin diody. Kdyz jsem mohl porovnat na osciku, tak signal byl mene "hranatejsi". Jinak je fajn kdyz je vetsi napeti na RSSI....jsem to zkusmo natahl na 50m (mam verzi TP) az ke zdroji.... krasne to ukazuje. Martin -=RYS=- From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 27 14:05:32 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 27 14:07:04 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak In-Reply-To: <000c01c3b4ed$c61639a0$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 02:53:01PM +0100 References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000601c3b42e$af2d9040$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261712.08650.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001301c3b43f$9eb97740$0101a8c0@cz> <3FC5004A.40502@tux.fi.cz> <20031127105213.B259@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c3b4ed$c61639a0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031127150532.C592@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 02:53:01PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Vubec neni problem vyresit zvukovou signalizaci. > Proste napeti z RSSI napojis na oscik s NE555 a tento RSSI signal bude ridit > kmitocet. > NF vystup z NE555 napojis na mikrofon nejakeho PMR446 a na druhe strane kde Co to je PMR446? Cl< > zamerujes si na druhem PMR446 nastavis > stejnej kanal a budes poslouchat ton. Dle tonu poznas jak a kam miris. > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 08:34:34PM +0100, Roman Safranek wrote: > > > A uvazuje/pracuje se taky na zvukove signalizaci? > > > > Ano, Trinitrack ji podporuje. > > > > Cl< > > > > > > > > Kdyz clovek neco zameruje... (pravda, platit to spise u anten), tak nema > > > moc cas cumet na nejaky display... Proto by bylo zajimavejsi vytvarez > > > zvukovy vystup - velmi slaby signal - tukani az velmi silny signal > > > vysoky ton. > > > > > > Jinak osobne bych pro sledovani sily signalu preferoval "prenosny modu", > > > ktery bych si kusem kabelu pripojil k ronji (coz by vyzadovalo nejaky > > > vode odolny konektor a taky ho umistit tak, abych nemusel na zarizeni > > > pusobit prilisnou silou - abych s tim proste nepohnul. Potom staci > > > jediny modul i pokud mam pojitek vice. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 27 14:04:41 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 27 14:07:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti In-Reply-To: <811186908.20031127142012@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 02:20:12PM +0100 References: <20031123100213.A29103@beton.cybernet.src> <200311241000.43436.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <811186908.20031127142012@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031127150441.B592@beton.cybernet.src> > Myslite, ze ma cenu delat tu novou verzi mereni RSSI (2x dioda)? V cem > je lepsi? > Pokud vas napada, co by se dalo jeste porovnat (ruzne verze ve > schematech) tak to muzu zkusit, na stole to jde docela dobre, na > strese by se mi do toho uz moc nechtelo :-) Mam totiz pocit, ze > nektere verze schematu nebyly otstovany, pouze vymysleny. Ta verze v ktery bylo RSSI s jednou diodou a 1k odporem a odstranenym 820R zatezovaci na vystupu - merak ukazoval nejaky milivotly naindukovany ze vzduchu. Doporucuju tam dat tu novou verzi s dvema diodama. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Nov 27 14:37:03 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Nov 27 14:38:59 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000601c3b42e$af2d9040$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261712.08650.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001301c3b43f$9eb97740$0101a8c0@cz> <3FC5004A.40502@tux.fi.cz> <20031127105213.B259@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c3b4ed$c61639a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20031127150532.C592@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000601c3b4f3$ed053560$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 02:53:01PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Vubec neni problem vyresit zvukovou signalizaci. > > Proste napeti z RSSI napojis na oscik s NE555 a tento RSSI signal bude ridit > > kmitocet. > > NF vystup z NE555 napojis na mikrofon nejakeho PMR446 a na druhe strane kde > > Co to je PMR446? PMR446 je rucni radiostanicena 446MHz s 8 kanalama (neco jako UHF CB). GL to povoluje v cele EU, USA, Japonsku........... Vykon 500mW EIRP, dle vlastnosti vysilacky umoznuje i VOX (hlasove ovladani....mas volne ruce a hlasem klicujes), CTCSS atd. Nejlevnejsi jsou Cobry 700 z Tesca.... par stoji 1800,- . Podivej se na: http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/indexpmr.php3 Oficialni prodejci vysilacek (i PMR) se schvalenim jsou : http://www.elix.cz http://www.allamat.cz/cb.htm http://www.cts-kenwood.cz http://www.online.cz/dd/amtek http://www.hcsradio.cz Ostatni prodejci (Kerfur, Tesco, Macro....) sice dodavaj extra levne PMR, ale na ukor smejd-kvality a neschvalenych typu. Jedine co lze levne poridit a je to jeste VF dobre (vlastni zkusenost), je : http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/cobra.php3#mt700 http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/img/comt700.jpg za cenu 1ks cca 900,- a http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/albrecht.php3#tectalk http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/img/altt.jpg za cenu 1ks cca 1500,- Pokud vsak uvazujes PMR s kombinaci GPS da se za priblizne 6-7000,- objednat i: http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/albrecht.php3#gpone http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/img/algpone.jpg Takze na jednu stranu ti staci treba Cobra 700 a na druhou stranu Albrecht GP One. Jsou i PMR co maj v sobe budik, radio, samper, MP3..... ale to jsou uz hovadiny. Martin -=RYS=- From cd930 at centrum.cz Thu Nov 27 14:47:18 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Thu Nov 27 14:48:18 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LCD merak References: <000a01c3b39c$af0de7a0$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261432.46782.ladmanj@volny.cz> <000601c3b42e$af2d9040$0101a8c0@cz> <200311261712.08650.ladmanj@volny.cz> <001301c3b43f$9eb97740$0101a8c0@cz> <3FC5004A.40502@tux.fi.cz> <20031127105213.B259@beton.cybernet.src> <000c01c3b4ed$c61639a0$0101a8c0@cz> <20031127150532.C592@beton.cybernet.src> <000601c3b4f3$ed053560$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <000601c3b4f5$5b8f21c0$0101a8c0@cz> Mimochodem v ruce jsem mel verzi Albrechta GP One, ktera umoznovala APRS....takze kdyz jste dva a jste na houbach. Tak se vzajeme vidite na digi mape. Data o vlastni pozici se totiz vysilaji v normalnim CB/HAM packet radiu 1200bd podle APRS. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] LCD merak > > > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 02:53:01PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > > Vubec neni problem vyresit zvukovou signalizaci. > > > Proste napeti z RSSI napojis na oscik s NE555 a tento RSSI signal bude > ridit > > > kmitocet. > > > NF vystup z NE555 napojis na mikrofon nejakeho PMR446 a na druhe strane > kde > > > > Co to je PMR446? > > PMR446 je rucni radiostanicena 446MHz s 8 kanalama (neco jako UHF CB). > GL to povoluje v cele EU, USA, Japonsku........... > Vykon 500mW EIRP, dle vlastnosti vysilacky umoznuje i VOX (hlasove > ovladani....mas volne ruce a hlasem klicujes), CTCSS atd. > Nejlevnejsi jsou Cobry 700 z Tesca.... par stoji 1800,- . > Podivej se na: http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/indexpmr.php3 > > Oficialni prodejci vysilacek (i PMR) se schvalenim jsou : > > http://www.elix.cz > http://www.allamat.cz/cb.htm > http://www.cts-kenwood.cz > http://www.online.cz/dd/amtek > http://www.hcsradio.cz > > Ostatni prodejci (Kerfur, Tesco, Macro....) sice dodavaj extra levne PMR, > ale na ukor smejd-kvality a neschvalenych typu. > Jedine co lze levne poridit a je to jeste VF dobre (vlastni zkusenost), je : > http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/cobra.php3#mt700 > http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/img/comt700.jpg > za cenu 1ks cca 900,- > > a > > http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/albrecht.php3#tectalk > http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/img/altt.jpg > za cenu 1ks cca 1500,- > > Pokud vsak uvazujes PMR s kombinaci GPS da se za priblizne 6-7000,- objednat > i: > http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/albrecht.php3#gpone > http://www.cbradio.cz/pmr/img/algpone.jpg > > Takze na jednu stranu ti staci treba Cobra 700 a na druhou stranu Albrecht > GP One. > Jsou i PMR co maj v sobe budik, radio, samper, MP3..... ale to jsou uz > hovadiny. > > > Martin -=RYS=- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 27 20:48:08 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 27 20:48:22 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Testing In-Reply-To: <20031127191648Z120184-28708+1005704@mail.centrum.cz>; from vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz on Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 08:16:41PM +0100 References: <20031127191648Z120184-28708+1005704@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20031127214808.A4544@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 08:16:41PM +0100, vojtech.cizinsky@centrum.cz wrote: > Dobr? den, > Zaj?malo by m?, zda se d? testovat funk?nost Ronji (jedn?) jen na > jednom po??ta?i s halfduplex s??ovkou 3com509B? Co je pot?eba ud?lat > a jak pozn?m, ?e to chod?? No uplne dobre to otestovat nejde, ale staci prerusit obvod v miste C76 a C77 (oba 220nF) a pak do toho poustet nejaka data a koukat se jestli zelene a cervene kontrolky sviti tak, jak maji. Ale prijimat pri vysilani neni mozne z principu kdyz je sitovka jenom jedna a halfduplexni. > M?m toti? probl?m odhalit chybu, i kdy? m? ob? AUI?ka p?i vys?l?n? a > p?ij?m?n? poblik?vaj? a hodnoty jsou v po??dku, po??ta?e se nevid?. Tak to je ten signal asi nejaky tvarove pomrseny - nemate neco na tistacich a/nebo prijimac v nezakrytovane plechovce? Cl< > > D?kuji V.?i?insk? > > > Je?t? jeden dotaz: V jak? nap??ov? ?rovni chod? sign?ly do s??ov? > karty a jak? je tolerance +- mV? > > > > From clock at twibright.com Thu Nov 27 21:33:13 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Nov 27 21:33:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from jikos@jikos.cz on Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 08:18:31PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20031127223313.B4802@beton.cybernet.src> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:53:08 +0100 > From: omicron@centrum.cz > Subject: Ronja > > Dobr? den, > rozhodli jsme se na?? s?? vylep?it pomoc? projektu Ronja. Moj? > pr?ci by hodn? uleh?ili plo?n? spoje. Na n?kter?ch obr?zc?ch jsem je > vyd?l, ale jeliko? jsou oboustrann? pot?eboval bych je n?jak?m > n?kresu. Pokud by za n? byl n?jak? poplatek tak bych ho pop?. > uhradil slo?enkou. P?edem d?kuji za odpov??. RX a TX dle mych vedomosti nemaji zatim zadny spolehlivy tistak. AUI ma Skontorpuv tistak ktery Ondrej Tesar zkousel a prohlasuje ze ma stejny dosah jako vrabci hnizdo (zkousel to na Bakulaku pomoci zakryvani prijimace papirem). Ale oficialni to neni. Oficialni tistaky jeste nejsou. Adresar http://ronja.twibright.com/contrib je plny navrhu ruznych lidi, o jejichz spolehlivosti se traduji ruzne, obcas protichudne, zkazky, a ja sam nevim, jak to s jejich spolehlivosti je. Ted se pracuje na TP rozhrani jehoz vystupem bude taky ofic tistak. Ofic tistaky na RX, TX a AUI se udelaji nekdy potom. TP se uvolni pod GPL az prispevky pokryji naklady a praci (a predtim se nebude uvolnovat jinak - bud open/free a nebo vubec), takze chcete-li proces prispivani urychlit, muzete nejaky prispevek take poslat, viz http://ronja.twibright.com/sponsors.php nebo tema na foru czfree o sbirce na TP: http://www.czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?s=7eb565eea3ee7caf1a8c0b96e3694c41&postid=66583#post66583 (pozor ten server je nekdy pretizeny a odmita zobrazit stranku) Cilem ofic vyvoje je nasledujici: * Tistaky musi chodit na prvni pokus * Tistaky musi byt z co nejjednoduseji sehnatelnych a neprilis drahych soucastek * Musi existovat uceleny archiv se soubory ktery se bez zmen zamailuje vyrobni firme a ona tistak vyrobi, ve formatu, ktery vsechny vyrobni firmy nebo drtiva vetsina jich podporuje * Schemata i tistaky musi byt editovatelne volne siritelnym editorem. Zdravim, Cl< > > Ladislav Kohout. > > From jan.martinu at post.cz Thu Nov 27 22:40:15 2003 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Thu Nov 27 22:36:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz na Cl In-Reply-To: <20031127214808.A4544@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031127191648Z120184-28708+1005704@mail.centrum.cz> <20031127214808.A4544@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200311272340.15345.jan.martinu@post.cz> Jak si vysvetlujes, ze kdyz se jedna krabicka (TX nebo RX) otoci o 180stupnu, tak data neprojdou - zajima me to po teoreticke strance. From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Thu Nov 27 22:50:01 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Thu Nov 27 22:50:50 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz na Cl References: <20031127191648Z120184-28708+1005704@mail.centrum.cz><20031127214808.A4544@beton.cybernet.src> <200311272340.15345.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <001601c3b538$ca940480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> asi ti tam n?co po??dn? nedr?? a n?co zkratne a nebo je to t?m, ?e kdy? to oto???, tak nem??? ledka do fotodiody :-) Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:40 PM Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz na Cl > Jak si vysvetlujes, ze kdyz se jedna krabicka (TX nebo RX) otoci o 180stupnu, > tak data neprojdou - zajima me to po teoreticke strance. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 28 09:17:15 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Nov 28 09:17:49 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz na Cl In-Reply-To: <200311272340.15345.jan.martinu@post.cz>; from jan.martinu@post.cz on Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 11:40:15PM +0100 References: <20031127191648Z120184-28708+1005704@mail.centrum.cz> <20031127214808.A4544@beton.cybernet.src> <200311272340.15345.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <20031128101715.B310@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 11:40:15PM +0100, Jan Martin? (jan.martinu@post.cz) wrote: > Jak si vysvetlujes, ze kdyz se jedna krabicka (TX nebo RX) otoci o 180stupnu, > tak data neprojdou - zajima me to po teoreticke strance. Studenak nebo to neni zavrene a stul je treba plechovy :) Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 28 11:56:15 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Nov 28 11:56:23 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: LEDky In-Reply-To: <4F763CD5D02F7545B96D71D1D0AF22BE5E0BE4@titan.komix.com>; from VRANA@komix.cz on Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 12:46:37PM +0100 References: <4F763CD5D02F7545B96D71D1D0AF22BE5E0BE4@titan.komix.com> Message-ID: <20031128125615.B476@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 12:46:37PM +0100, Vr?na Jan wrote: > ahoj! > > Proc mi to odmitlo vzit prispevek? Myslel jsem, ze jsem se registroval. Neposlal jsi ho z jine adresy nez kterou jsi zaregistroval? Cl< > > dik Honza > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net > > [mailto:ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net] > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:36 PM > > To: Vr?na Jan > > Subject: LEDky > > > > > > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > > ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net. > > > From vranoch at centrum.cz Fri Nov 28 12:02:00 2003 From: vranoch at centrum.cz (vranoch@centrum.cz) Date: Fri Nov 28 12:03:07 2003 Subject: [Ronja] LEDky Message-ID: <20031128120202Z1598975-270+628513@mail.centrum.cz> Ahoj! mate nekdo poneti, kde se daj aktualne sehnat vysilaci LEDky? dik Honza -------------------- Dejte sv?mu star?mu telefonu ko?em! NOKIA 3100 od 2977 K? www.oskar.cz http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.oskarmobil.cz/handsets/index.php From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 28 12:39:39 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Nov 28 12:39:42 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: LEDky In-Reply-To: <4F763CD5D02F7545B96D71D1D0AF22BE5E0BE5@titan.komix.com>; from VRANA@komix.cz on Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 01:00:53PM +0100 References: <4F763CD5D02F7545B96D71D1D0AF22BE5E0BE5@titan.komix.com> Message-ID: <20031128133939.A560@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 01:00:53PM +0100, Vr?na Jan wrote: > aha, asi jo. Tak v tom pripade mailing list post rejectne. Prispevky z nezaregistrovanych adres driv chodily me a ja jsem je rucne odklikaval, ale protoze mnozstvi spamu neustale vzrustalo a ja jsem nemel cas zabijet ten spam rucne, tak jsem to vypnul, takze ted se to akorat odrazi s nize uvedenou zpravou. Je potreba dat pozor aby to clovek poslal z adresy kterou opravdu zaregistroval. Bezi tam GNU Mailman. Kterou z polozek "From:" a "From" povazuje za adresu odesilatele nevim. Tipoval bych spis, ze tu "From" protoze "From:" je falsovatelna zcela dle libovule. Cl< > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karel Kulhav? [mailto:clock@twibright.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:56 PM > > To: Vr?na Jan > > Cc: Twibright Ronja > > Subject: Re: LEDky > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 12:46:37PM +0100, Vr?na Jan wrote: > > > ahoj! > > > > > > Proc mi to odmitlo vzit prispevek? Myslel jsem, ze jsem se > > registroval. > > > > Neposlal jsi ho z jine adresy nez kterou jsi zaregistroval? > > > > Cl< > > > > > > dik Honza > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net > > > > [mailto:ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net] > > > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:36 PM > > > > To: Vr?na Jan > > > > Subject: LEDky > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and > > your message has > > > > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > > > > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > > > > ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net. > > > > > > > > > From cz354716 at tiscali.cz Fri Nov 28 15:06:18 2003 From: cz354716 at tiscali.cz (cz354716@tiscali.cz) Date: Fri Nov 28 15:11:06 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP / AUI transceiver[s|y] Message-ID: <3FB968100000A5C0@stateless2.tiscali.cz> Ahoj, mam doma dva transceivery od Hewlett Packard, typ 28685B EtherTwist Transceiver. Je to mala krabicka-mensi jak od cigaret, na jedne strane AUI, na druhe RJ-45 a 6 indikacni LED (Power,RX,Pol,Link,TX,Col). Dal tam jsou 4 prepinace (SQE Test, Link Beat, Loopback Test, Long Cable). Nema to zadny externi napajeni - napaji se primo z AUI. Jeste jsem je k nicemu nepouzil. Mel jsem je i rozdelany, samy SMD. Kdyztak to muzu nafotit a poslat. _________________________________________________________________ SonyEricsson T230 jiz od 1977 Kc. Dost dobry duvod pustit svuj stary telefon k vode! http://adsweb.tiscali.cz/banner/oskar.html From jan.martinu at post.cz Fri Nov 28 18:01:59 2003 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Fri Nov 28 17:58:18 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz na Cl In-Reply-To: <001601c3b538$ca940480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> References: <20031127191648Z120184-28708+1005704@mail.centrum.cz> <200311272340.15345.jan.martinu@post.cz> <001601c3b538$ca940480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <200311281901.59792.jan.martinu@post.cz> Ty moc dobre vys, jak jsem to myslel ;-) Dne ?t 27. listopadu 2003 23:50 Cipis napsal(a): > asi ti tam n?co po??dn? nedr?? a n?co zkratne > > a nebo je to t?m, ?e kdy? to oto???, tak nem??? ledka do fotodiody :-) > > Cipis From clock at twibright.com Fri Nov 28 22:23:55 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Nov 28 22:24:02 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz na Cl In-Reply-To: <200311282146.15179.jan.martinu@post.cz>; from jan.martinu@post.cz on Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 09:46:15PM +0100 References: <20031127191648Z120184-28708+1005704@mail.centrum.cz> <200311281900.58252.jan.martinu@post.cz> <20031128203036.A1933@beton.cybernet.src> <200311282146.15179.jan.martinu@post.cz> Message-ID: <20031128232355.C178@beton.cybernet.src> On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 09:46:15PM +0100, Jan Martin? (jan.martinu@post.cz) wrote: > K > RX A > > po otoceni krabicky > > A > RX K Tak to si fakt nedokazu jinak vysvetlit nez zlomenym kabelem nebo studenakem. Cl< > > Polarita se samozrejme nemeni - jde jen o vyjadreni otoceni v ose cele > krabicky TX. > Bohuzel meziuhly jsem nezkousel a uz je to nainstalovany na strese, ale hned > jak budu mit hotovy dalsi kusy, zkusim. > > Dne p? 28. listopadu 2003 20:30 jste napsal(a): > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 07:00:58PM +0100, Jan Martin? (jan.martinu@post.cz) > wrote: > > > Bohuzel, deje se to u vsech krabicek a vsechno drzi - je to fixovane > > > silikonem, kdyz se to da "spravne", tak to jede. Predpokladam, ze si > > > na to u svych zarizeni nenarazil. > > > > V jake z 3 os to otocis o 180 stupnu? Jede to pri 90 stupnich? Najdi > > hranicni pootoceni pri kterem to prestane chodit a zavislost chybovost na > > uhlu :) > > > > Cl< > From polous at katka.biz Fri Nov 28 10:45:08 2003 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Nov 29 10:22:55 2003 Subject: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) References: <20031127191648Z120184-28708+1005704@mail.centrum.cz><20031127214808.A4544@beton.cybernet.src><200311272340.15345.jan.martinu@post.cz> <001601c3b538$ca940480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <000001c3b662$c2f60860$4805150a@polous> Zdravim, Nenechal si nekdo delat DPS TP od Rysa v Praze ? Pripadne jestli o ne nekdo nema zajem (nechalo by se jich udelat vic). Nebo nemohl by mi nekdo zapujcit filmy na vyrobu tohohle TPcka ? (Pan Bucek mi rikal, ze si to nechalo delat hodne lidi) Chtel bych si nechat udelat 2ks (po oziveni prvniho paru Ronj. pak kolem 10ks) ale pan Bucek (z Brna) mi rekl, ze mi to udela a chce 672kc/ks (pri mnozstvi 2ks) + 620 za filmy. Pri mnozstvi 20ks u nej klesa cena na 260kc/ks + 620kc. diky za pomoc pOlOus polous@katka.biz, ICQ: 94887762 From clock at twibright.com Sat Nov 29 19:51:21 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Nov 29 19:51:27 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Resistor color code chart Message-ID: <20031129205121.A7619@beton.cybernet.src> Hi I have added resistor color code chart into Fundamentals of Manufacturing Operations, see http://ronja.twibright.com/fundamentals.php Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Sat Nov 29 21:43:38 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis) Date: Sat Nov 29 21:43:48 2003 Subject: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) References: <20031127191648Z120184-28708+1005704@mail.centrum.cz><20031127214808.A4544@beton.cybernet.src><200311272340.15345.jan.martinu@post.cz><001601c3b538$ca940480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> <000001c3b662$c2f60860$4805150a@polous> Message-ID: <002101c3b6c1$d9c1b580$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> co?e? takov? ceny? on zm?nil ceny? podle t? jeho kalkula?ky to vych?zelo levn?ji... sta?? bez potisku, bez masky se to d? p?e??t, ale nechat poc?novat Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) > Zdravim, > > Nenechal si nekdo delat DPS TP od Rysa v Praze ? Pripadne jestli o ne nekdo > nema zajem (nechalo by se jich udelat vic). > > Nebo nemohl by mi nekdo zapujcit filmy na vyrobu tohohle TPcka ? (Pan Bucek > mi rikal, ze si to nechalo delat hodne lidi) Chtel bych si nechat udelat 2ks > (po oziveni prvniho paru Ronj. pak kolem 10ks) ale pan Bucek (z Brna) mi > rekl, ze mi to udela a chce 672kc/ks (pri mnozstvi 2ks) + 620 za filmy. > > Pri mnozstvi 20ks u nej klesa cena na 260kc/ks + 620kc. > > diky za pomoc > > pOlOus > polous@katka.biz, ICQ: 94887762 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Sat Nov 29 21:49:49 2003 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Sat Nov 29 21:50:48 2003 Subject: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) References: <20031127191648Z120184-28708+1005704@mail.centrum.cz><20031127214808.A4544@beton.cybernet.src><200311272340.15345.jan.martinu@post.cz><001601c3b538$ca940480$4d46a8c0@cipis.net><000001c3b662$c2f60860$4805150a@polous> <002101c3b6c1$d9c1b580$4d46a8c0@cipis.net> Message-ID: <035401c3b6c2$d7084560$4805150a@polous> Tu cenu mi stanovil nasedovne: odber - cena za kus 2ks - 672kc 4ks - 526kc 6ks - 413kc 10ks - 320kc (cca) 20ks - 263kc + filtry + postovny... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) co?e? takov? ceny? on zm?nil ceny? podle t? jeho kalkula?ky to vych?zelo levn?ji... sta?? bez potisku, bez masky se to d? p?e??t, ale nechat poc?novat Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) > Zdravim, > > Nenechal si nekdo delat DPS TP od Rysa v Praze ? Pripadne jestli o ne nekdo > nema zajem (nechalo by se jich udelat vic). > > Nebo nemohl by mi nekdo zapujcit filmy na vyrobu tohohle TPcka ? (Pan Bucek > mi rikal, ze si to nechalo delat hodne lidi) Chtel bych si nechat udelat 2ks > (po oziveni prvniho paru Ronj. pak kolem 10ks) ale pan Bucek (z Brna) mi > rekl, ze mi to udela a chce 672kc/ks (pri mnozstvi 2ks) + 620 za filmy. > > Pri mnozstvi 20ks u nej klesa cena na 260kc/ks + 620kc. > > diky za pomoc > > pOlOus > polous@katka.biz, ICQ: 94887762 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja