From caffr at seznam.cz Fri May 2 22:02:44 2003 From: caffr at seznam.cz (caffr) Date: Fri May 2 23:07:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Oziveni Ronji 2 Message-ID: <28759.64035-1849-1289065949-1051902164@seznam.cz> Po pripojeni AUI + RX + TX do sitovky asi na pul vteriny blikne vysilaci dioda(HPWT-BD00) a pak uz nesviti. Nameril jsem tyto hodnoty - no signal, no packets, DC: AUI - P65...1,5V P51...0V RX - P102...2V P105...2V P106...5,5V TX - P1...0,4V P4...3V P6...3V Ostatni hodnoty byly v poradku. Pro uplnost - na AUI sviti zluta LED. Moje elektrotechnicke znalosti nejsou na vysoke urovni, proto netusim, v cem je chyba. Myslite, ze je vadne treba jen AUI nebo taky RX a TX. Je mozne, ze AUI poskodilo RX ci TX? PS: Ten loopback se dela tak, ze se na konektoru spoji piny 3 s 5 a 10 s 12? Diky ______________________________________________________________________ Reklama: Na n?? trh p?ich?z? Volkswagen Touran, o n?m? se ??k?, ?e je v?ce ne? jen rodinn? v?z. A u? dnes si ho m??ete objednat i vy ve v?ech autosalonech Volkswagen!http://vw.multimedia.cz/clanky/clanek1.php From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat May 3 16:56:21 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Sat May 3 14:56:30 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Oziveni Ronji 2 In-Reply-To: <28759.64035-1849-1289065949-1051902164@seznam.cz>; from caffr@seznam.cz on Fri, May 02, 2003 at 09:02:44PM +0200 References: <28759.64035-1849-1289065949-1051902164@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20030503155621.C2866@beton.cybernet.cz> On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 09:02:44PM +0200, caffr wrote: > Po pripojeni AUI + RX + TX do sitovky asi na pul vteriny blikne > vysilaci dioda(HPWT-BD00) > a pak uz nesviti. Nameril jsem tyto hodnoty - no signal, no packets, > DC: > AUI - P65...1,5V Zkontrolovat kolem bodu P65, to je fakt divny > P51...0V To je v poradku > RX - P102...2V Asi prorazenej vstupni tranzistor > P105...2V To je blbe > P106...5,5V V poradku > TX - P1...0,4V Nezapojeny nebo prorazeny C3 > P4...3V To je divny > P6...3V to jde > Ostatni hodnoty byly v poradku. Pro uplnost - na AUI sviti zluta LED. > Moje elektrotechnicke znalosti nejsou na vysoke urovni, proto > netusim, v cem je chyba. > Myslite, ze je vadne treba jen AUI nebo taky RX a TX. Je mozne, ze > AUI poskodilo RX ci TX? Vadna jedna krabicka tezko poskodi druhou, je to delane primerene blbuvzdorne ty rozhrani. > PS: Ten loopback se dela tak, ze se na konektoru spoji piny 3 s 5 a > 10 s 12? Ano. Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Tue May 6 22:45:24 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed May 7 06:40:08 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Oziveni Ronji 2 In-Reply-To: <28759.64035-1849-1289065949-1051902164@seznam.cz> References: <28759.64035-1849-1289065949-1051902164@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <18613108546.20030506214524@volny.cz> S chvilkovym bliknutim HPWT... jsem se take setkal. Ale u me to bylo spatnym dratem mezi AUI a Tx. Ondra c> Po pripojeni AUI + RX + TX do sitovky asi na pul vteriny blikne c> vysilaci dioda(HPWT-BD00) c> a pak uz nesviti. Nameril jsem tyto hodnoty - no signal, no packets, c> DC: c> AUI - P65...1,5V c> P51...0V c> RX - P102...2V c> P105...2V c> P106...5,5V c> TX - P1...0,4V c> P4...3V c> P6...3V c> Ostatni hodnoty byly v poradku. Pro uplnost - na AUI sviti zluta LED. c> Moje elektrotechnicke znalosti nejsou na vysoke urovni, proto c> netusim, v cem je chyba. c> Myslite, ze je vadne treba jen AUI nebo taky RX a TX. Je mozne, ze c> AUI poskodilo RX ci TX? c> PS: Ten loopback se dela tak, ze se na konektoru spoji piny 3 s 5 a c> 10 s 12? c> Diky c> ______________________________________________________________________ c> Reklama: c> Na n?? trh p?ich?z? Volkswagen Touran, o n?m? se ??k?, ?e je v?ce ne? jen rodinn? v?z. A u? dnes si ho m??ete objednat i vy ve v?ech autosalonech c> Volkswagen!http://vw.multimedia.cz/clanky/clanek1.php c> _______________________________________________ c> Ronja mailing list c> Ronja@lists.pointless.net c> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From mrtnptrnsk at seznam.cz Wed May 7 16:03:21 2003 From: mrtnptrnsk at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Martin=20Petrnou=B9ek?=) Date: Fri May 9 10:48:53 2003 Subject: [Ronja] =?iso-8859-2?q?Ronja-velikost_=E8o=E8ek?= Message-ID: <5042.17350-26695-1923493022-1052312601@seznam.cz> Dobr? den, cht?l jsem se zeptat, jestli nekdo nev?, jak? ?o?ka by sta?ila na vys?la?i na dosah cca 25-30m, jak? je pot?eba na p?ij?mac? stran? a jak? maj? b?t jej? parametry(tlou??ka, ...). A d?le jestli je n?jak? omezen? pro vzd?lenost diody u p?ij?ma?e a vys?la?e od zapojen?(chci m?t v?e v krabi?ce vedle PC a od n? v?st kabel 2-3m k ledk?m),kv?li zjednodu?en? mechanick? mont??e a sn??en? n?klad? na ocelov? d?ly. D?ky za odpoved. Martin z Liberce. ______________________________________________________________________ Reklama: U? V?s to m?n?n? c?d??ek v aut? nebav?? 10 hodin hudby v MP3 na jednom CD. Autor?dio Sony CDX-MP40 za 7990 K?. http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=46464%26url=http://www.sony-mobile.cz From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Fri May 9 12:52:48 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Fri May 9 10:52:58 2003 Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=5BRonja=5D_Ronja-velikost_=E8o=E8ek?= In-Reply-To: <5042.17350-26695-1923493022-1052312601@seznam.cz>; from mrtnptrnsk@seznam.cz on Wed, May 07, 2003 at 03:03:21PM +0200 References: <5042.17350-26695-1923493022-1052312601@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20030509115248.A3286@beton.cybernet.cz> On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 03:03:21PM +0200, Martin Petrnou?ek wrote: > Dobr? den, cht?l jsem se zeptat, jestli nekdo nev?, jak? ?o?ka by > sta?ila na vys?la?i na dosah cca 25-30m, jak? je pot?eba na p?ij?mac? Kdyz bude mit vysilac i prijimac cocku o prumeru 25mm tak to teoreticky bude chodit. Doporucuju koupit u Vietnamcu nejmensi lupu co maj, urcite maji 75mm, ale videl jsem i mensi, mam pocit ze to musela bejt 50mm nebo mozna jeste mensi. Taky se male lupy daj koupit normalne v optice. > stran? a jak? maj? b?t jej? parametry(tlou??ka, ...). Vemte nejakou lupu, ta uz ma ty parametry tak adekvatni. > A d?le jestli je n?jak? omezen? pro vzd?lenost diody u p?ij?ma?e a > vys?la?e od zapojen?(chci m?t v?e v krabi?ce vedle PC a od n? v?st > kabel 2-3m k ledk?m),kv?li zjednodu?en? mechanick? mont??e a sn??en? > n?klad? na ocelov? d?ly. D?ky za odpoved. Martin z Ne to nejde, diody museji byt zaletovane primo v zapojeni, ani par centimetru kabelu neni pripustnych. Cl< From xkutale1 at informatics.muni.cz Sat May 10 18:20:14 2003 From: xkutale1 at informatics.muni.cz (David Kutalek) Date: Sat May 10 16:20:19 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s odesilanim paketu Message-ID: Hola, Hi, we have completed Ronja link, but have problem with trnsmitting packets on one side. I load module for 3c590: insmod 3c59x options=1 and setup up network using ifconfig. Then, when sending packets, ifconfig shows increasing count of tx packets, as well as carrier count (the same number). TX led on AUI don't blink. When loading module with full duplex: insmod 3c59x options=1 full_duplex=1 a bunch of PCI bus mastering errors arise when sending first packets. I tried two AUI modules, and TX was previously tested with one of them with success. Can anybody sai where is problem? We have about 35m of cable between TX and AUI (RG58). Can this be a problem? Kuty David Kutalek, xkutale1@fi.muni.cz (-: Peace, Flowers, Freedom, Happiness :-) From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat May 10 19:54:01 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Sat May 10 17:54:07 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s odesilanim paketu In-Reply-To: ; from xkutale1@informatics.muni.cz on Sat, May 10, 2003 at 05:20:14PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20030510185401.A6457@beton.cybernet.cz> The cable length and type is OK. 3c509 has problems sending packets if there is a noise signal on the input. Check the RX quality. Cl< On Sat, May 10, 2003 at 05:20:14PM +0200, David Kutalek wrote: > Hola, > > Hi, > > we have completed Ronja link, but have problem with trnsmitting packets > on one side. > > I load module for 3c590: > insmod 3c59x options=1 > and setup up network using ifconfig. Then, when sending packets, ifconfig > shows increasing count of tx packets, as well as carrier count (the same > number). TX led on AUI don't blink. > > When loading module with full duplex: > insmod 3c59x options=1 full_duplex=1 > > a bunch of PCI bus mastering errors arise when sending first packets. > I tried two AUI modules, and TX was previously tested with one of them > with success. > > Can anybody sai where is problem? We have about 35m of cable between TX > and AUI (RG58). Can this be a problem? > > Kuty > > > David Kutalek, xkutale1@fi.muni.cz > (-: Peace, Flowers, Freedom, Happiness :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From xkutale1 at informatics.muni.cz Sat May 10 21:30:52 2003 From: xkutale1 at informatics.muni.cz (David Kutalek) Date: Sat May 10 19:30:56 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s odesilanim paketu In-Reply-To: <20030510185401.A6457@beton.cybernet.cz> Message-ID: > The cable length and type is OK. > > 3c509 has problems sending packets if there is a noise signal on the input. > Check the RX quality. It is actually 3c590, but it will be similar I guess... On RX, we have 0.4 to 0.5V, maybe too much? We tested minimal needed voltage, but not maximal. Also I tried to send packets when RX was not connected, but it was the same. Kuty David Kutalek, xkutale1@fi.muni.cz (-: Peace, Flowers, Freedom, Happiness :-) From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat May 10 23:03:47 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Sat May 10 21:03:50 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s odesilanim paketu In-Reply-To: ; from xkutale1@informatics.muni.cz on Sat, May 10, 2003 at 08:30:52PM +0200 References: <20030510185401.A6457@beton.cybernet.cz> Message-ID: <20030510220347.A8804@beton.cybernet.cz> On Sat, May 10, 2003 at 08:30:52PM +0200, David Kutalek wrote: > > > The cable length and type is OK. > > > > 3c509 has problems sending packets if there is a noise signal on the input. > > Check the RX quality. > > It is actually 3c590, but it will be similar I guess... Yes, it's almoste the same as 3c900. 3c900 has got the same problem I think. > > On RX, we have 0.4 to 0.5V, maybe too much? We tested minimal needed No, it's not too much. > voltage, but not maximal. Also I tried to send packets when RX was not > connected, but it was the same. Then I don't know what the cause may be :( Cl< From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Mon May 12 23:32:34 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Mon May 12 21:32:37 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Product Inquiry In-Reply-To: <000901c31810$fa117fa0$220b6844@server1>; from xerox_irs@lvcm.com on Sun, May 11, 2003 at 03:59:28PM -0700 References: <000801c31767$1e370b20$220b6844@server1> <20030511235312.B1091@beton.cybernet.cz> <000901c31810$fa117fa0$220b6844@server1> Message-ID: <20030512223234.A480@beton.cybernet.cz> On Sun, May 11, 2003 at 03:59:28PM -0700, Daniel Kluss wrote: > I'm putting together a shopping list, can you tell me what this means > Ronja AUI Components > 2n2.....................1x 2,2n. The n substitutes the decimal point. > > Ronja 10M Receiver > 2M2.....................1x > > Ronja 10M Metropolis Transmitter > 8R2.....................1x > > > does it mean > 22n > 22m > > 82r what is 82r ? 82 ohm. This is a common marking in Czech Republic. Where are you from, America? It seems like it's not used there. I should probably rewrite it to 2,2n 82 Cl< From P.Kral at sh.cvut.cz Tue May 13 17:08:10 2003 From: P.Kral at sh.cvut.cz (=?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Pavel_Kr=E1l?=) Date: Tue May 13 15:08:38 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Interpolis info Message-ID: Hi Clock, I'm just curious about new Ronja Interpolis (100mbit ? > 1.5km ?) project, could you disclose its mystery and be more specifics ? How about TP interface (seems to be only one weakness (NIC avaliability) in Metropolis great design. Regards, pk From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue May 13 21:07:55 2003 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue May 13 19:13:31 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz na autora... Message-ID: <3EC1509B.13443.237729@localhost> Dotaz na autora - je normalni, ze TX bez signalu kmita, resp produkuje neco jako vystrelovy sum? Obzlaste pak ve tme nebo pri malem osvetleni. Rozsah techto oscilaci je od cca 10 do 80MHz. From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed May 14 12:42:52 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Wed May 14 10:42:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Dotaz na autora... In-Reply-To: <3EC1509B.13443.237729@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, May 13, 2003 at 08:07:55PM +0200 References: <3EC1509B.13443.237729@localhost> Message-ID: <20030514114252.D2013@beton.cybernet.cz> On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 08:07:55PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Dotaz na autora - je normalni, ze TX bez signalu kmita, resp > produkuje neco jako vystrelovy sum? Obzlaste pak ve tme nebo pri > malem osvetleni. Rozsah techto oscilaci je od cca 10 do 80MHz. Jestli je to postavene podle navodu tak to normalni neni, jestli je to s upravami, tak je to celkem mozne. Jak jste to stavel? Kde jste ty oscilace meril/sledoval? Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed May 14 14:39:23 2003 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed May 14 12:45:03 2003 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) Message-ID: <3EC2470B.20274.3F0C10@localhost> Stav?n? je to na plo?n?ku asi 20 let star?m... ;-) M??il jsem na v?stupu na kabelu, tj za C118. Te? jsem to je?t? po sob? kontroloval a zjistil jsem, ?e jsem zapom?l zap?jet C121, nav?c se odlomila no?i?ka u C104 a m?sto C105 bylo jen 10n. NE592 byl v osmino?i?kov?m pouzdru. P?es v?kend to oprav?m a je?t? prom???m. Taky si mysl?m, ?e C110 nebo d?li? R109 a R113 jsou nadbyte?n?. Dle nejen m?ho n?zoru p??tomnost C110 zhor?uje potla?en? zvln?n? nap?jec?ho nap?t?. Kdy? jsem ho vypustil, tak dosah vzrostl o cca 10procent. P??padn? by se mohl vypustit v??e zm?n?n? d?li? a R111 a R112 by se p?ipojily p??mo na drain tranzistoru. Pak by m?l C110 v?znam. On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 08:07:55PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Dotaz na autora - je normalni, ze TX bez signalu kmita, resp > produkuje neco jako vystrelovy sum? Obzlaste pak ve tme nebo pri > malem osvetleni. Rozsah techto oscilaci je od cca 10 do 80MHz. > >Jestli je to postavene podle navodu tak to normalni neni, jestli je to s >upravami, tak je to celkem mozne. Jak jste to stavel? Kde jste ty >oscilace >meril/sledoval? > >Cl< From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Wed May 14 16:55:37 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Wed May 14 14:55:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3EC2470B.20274.3F0C10@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:39:23PM +0200 References: <3EC2470B.20274.3F0C10@localhost> Message-ID: <20030514155537.A2920@beton.cybernet.cz> On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:39:23PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Stav?n? je to na plo?n?ku asi 20 let star?m... ;-) Tak to je normalni ze to kmita. Udelejte to podle navodu. Cl< > M??il jsem na v?stupu na kabelu, tj za C118. > Te? jsem to je?t? po sob? kontroloval a zjistil jsem, ?e jsem zapom?l > zap?jet C121, nav?c se odlomila no?i?ka u C104 a m?sto C105 bylo > jen 10n. NE592 byl v osmino?i?kov?m pouzdru. > P?es v?kend to oprav?m a je?t? prom???m. > Taky si mysl?m, ?e C110 nebo d?li? R109 a R113 jsou nadbyte?n?. > Dle nejen m?ho n?zoru p??tomnost C110 zhor?uje potla?en? zvln?n? > nap?jec?ho nap?t?. Kdy? jsem ho vypustil, tak dosah vzrostl o cca > 10procent. > P??padn? by se mohl vypustit v??e zm?n?n? d?li? a R111 a R112 by > se p?ipojily p??mo na drain tranzistoru. Pak by m?l C110 v?znam. > > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 08:07:55PM +0200, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz > wrote: > > Dotaz na autora - je normalni, ze TX bez signalu kmita, resp > > produkuje neco jako vystrelovy sum? Obzlaste pak ve tme nebo pri > > malem osvetleni. Rozsah techto oscilaci je od cca 10 do 80MHz. > > > >Jestli je to postavene podle navodu tak to normalni neni, jestli je to s > >upravami, tak je to celkem mozne. Jak jste to stavel? Kde jste ty > >oscilace > >meril/sledoval? > > > >Cl< > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From xerox_irs at lvcm.com Wed May 14 11:18:38 2003 From: xerox_irs at lvcm.com (Daniel Kluss) Date: Wed May 14 18:18:18 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Can I get a board? References: <000801c31767$1e370b20$220b6844@server1> <20030511235312.B1091@beton.cybernet.cz> <000901c31810$fa117fa0$220b6844@server1> <20030512223234.A480@beton.cybernet.cz> <001b01c318e8$5c604c40$220b6844@server1> <20030513111842.B1098@beton.cybernet.cz> Message-ID: <002301c31a3c$dc1c2da0$c20a6844@server1> Jakub Ladman, hope you know english, Could I buy some of these boards from you, or maybe tell me how to make them. http://ronja.czfree.net/pictures/rx/ladmanj/rx_t.jpg, and http://ronja.czfree.net/pictures/tx/ladmanj/tx_t.jpg they look very useful. And one for the computer interface would be good also Daniel Kluss From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Fri May 16 09:52:29 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Fri May 16 07:52:33 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 480/2000Sb In-Reply-To: <000901c31b1b$01a40820$0900c6c3@j6d6v4>; from Sokolov621427@volny.cz on Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:45:38PM +0200 References: <20030429074821.A240@beton.cybernet.cz> <001301c30e7a$a3bbd1e0$0900c6c3@j6d6v4> <20030430080200.A329@beton.cybernet.cz> <000901c31b1b$01a40820$0900c6c3@j6d6v4> Message-ID: <20030516085229.B222@beton.cybernet.cz> On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:45:38PM +0200, Patrik Oravec wrote: > Ahoj Karle, > dekuju zes mi popsal co to je, ale postupne se te budu zase ptat. Plochu > apertury oka sezenu kde. Vzdyt oko ma prece kazdy covek individualni nebo > jsou na to nekde nejaky tabulky? Pop? porad nejaky skripta, rad se priucim. Da se to zjistit tak, ze si clovek stoupne k zrcadlu za sera a zmeri si centimetrem prumer ty diry do oka. Cl< From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Fri May 16 22:27:11 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Fri May 16 20:27:12 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 480/2000Sb In-Reply-To: <001901c31bdf$7e866620$0900c6c3@j6d6v4>; from Sokolov621427@volny.cz on Fri, May 16, 2003 at 09:15:06PM +0200 References: <20030429074821.A240@beton.cybernet.cz> <001301c30e7a$a3bbd1e0$0900c6c3@j6d6v4> <20030430080200.A329@beton.cybernet.cz> <000901c31b1b$01a40820$0900c6c3@j6d6v4> <20030516085229.B222@beton.cybernet.cz> <001901c31bdf$7e866620$0900c6c3@j6d6v4> Message-ID: <20030516212711.A4953@beton.cybernet.cz> On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 09:15:06PM +0200, Patrik Oravec wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: Patrik Oravec > Cc: > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: 480/2000Sb > > > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:45:38PM +0200, Patrik Oravec wrote: > > > Ahoj Karle, > > > dekuju zes mi popsal co to je, ale postupne se te budu zase ptat. Plochu > > > apertury oka sezenu kde. Vzdyt oko ma prece kazdy covek individualni > nebo > > > jsou na to nekde nejaky tabulky? Pop? porad nejaky skripta, rad se > priucim. > > > > Da se to zjistit tak, ze si clovek stoupne k zrcadlu za sera a zmeri si > > centimetrem prumer ty diry do oka. > > Predpokladam, ze ta dira je to cerny, pak je duhovka, a pak je ocni belmo, > ale nevim tedy, jak to bude presny, Vem si, ze pani nahygiene asi spise bude > zajimat, kde jsem to sebral, a predstav si, ze bys dostal elaborat a v tom > by bylo napsano, stoupnul jsem si pred zrcadlo, a zmeril diru do oka. :)))) Jestli ma dama nejake veterinarni proporce tak treba bude mit diru vetsi ]:) Ale fakt me nenapada kde vzit uredne overeny vyrok o tom jaka je maximalni mozna plocha lidskeho oka. Obzvlast v dnesni dobe genetickeho inzenyrstvi. > To bych tam mohl napsat, ze vlastne nic tam videt nejde, a splnuje to > vsechny podminky. :))))) Ba ne to byl zert, ale vem si to spise z te 2he > strany, mne osobne je to putna, do zarovky, slunicka, reflektoru, taky obcas > koukam jako kazdej, ale nikdo nepotrebuje spocitat nejyk svetlo, ale kdyz se > jedna o opticke zarizeni, tak to je najednou na svete tolik chytrejch > uredniku. > Patrik From clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz Sat May 17 15:09:51 2003 From: clock at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Sat May 17 13:09:59 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: 480/2000Sb In-Reply-To: <002d01c31be4$508fca40$0900c6c3@j6d6v4>; from Sokolov621427@volny.cz on Fri, May 16, 2003 at 09:49:50PM +0200 References: <20030429074821.A240@beton.cybernet.cz> <001301c30e7a$a3bbd1e0$0900c6c3@j6d6v4> <20030430080200.A329@beton.cybernet.cz> <000901c31b1b$01a40820$0900c6c3@j6d6v4> <20030516085229.B222@beton.cybernet.cz> <001901c31bdf$7e866620$0900c6c3@j6d6v4> <20030516212711.A4953@beton.cybernet.cz> <002d01c31be4$508fca40$0900c6c3@j6d6v4> Message-ID: <20030517140951.A709@beton.cybernet.cz> > > No ma bryle ale s poradnyma dioptiriema, treba mozna na ni testovali. nej?ky > svetlo :))) > No a diru vetsi ... si mi pripomnel uryvek z jednoho filmu :))) > > Nic, takze je to to cerny uprostred oka? Myslim ta dira, kterou popisujes. > Nevi m jaxe to rekne odborne:((( pupila :) Cl< > PAtrik > > From ppolitop at ucnet.uoc.gr Thu May 15 20:18:13 2003 From: ppolitop at ucnet.uoc.gr (=?utf-8?B?zqDOv867zrnPhM+Mz4DOv8+FzrvOv8+CIM6gzq3PhM+Bzr/Pgg==?=) Date: Thu May 22 17:19:23 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Can I get a board? References: <000801c31767$1e370b20$220b6844@server1><20030511235312.B1091@beton.cybernet.cz><000901c31810$fa117fa0$220b6844@server1><20030512223234.A480@beton.cybernet.cz><001b01c318e8$5c604c40$220b6844@server1><20030513111842.B1098@beton.cybernet.cz> <002301c31a3c$dc1c2da0$c20a6844@server1> Message-ID: <008701c31afd$96180330$ab033493@ucnet.uoc.gr> We would also like the design of your boards. I represent a student wireless network in greece. Please send us a pcb design! Thank you wireless.uoc.gr the doc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Kluss" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:18 PM Subject: [Ronja] Can I get a board? > Jakub Ladman, > > hope you know english, > Could I buy some of these boards from you, or maybe tell me how to make > them. > http://ronja.czfree.net/pictures/rx/ladmanj/rx_t.jpg, and > http://ronja.czfree.net/pictures/tx/ladmanj/tx_t.jpg they look very useful. > And one for the computer interface would be good also > > > Daniel Kluss > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From bobriks at volny.cz Thu May 22 22:28:52 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Thu May 22 20:28:58 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Can I get a board? References: <000801c31767$1e370b20$220b6844@server1><20030511235312.B1091@beton.cybernet.cz><000901c31810$fa117fa0$220b6844@server1><20030512223234.A480@beton.cybernet.cz><001b01c318e8$5c604c40$220b6844@server1><20030513111842.B1098@beton.cybernet.cz><002301c31a3c$dc1c2da0$c20a6844@server1> <008701c31afd$96180330$ab033493@ucnet.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <001301c32098$71e5a8a0$021b0a0a@ujezd> Here are the bmp's of the boards: http://www.volny.cz/ondrej.tesar/czfreenet/pcb-bmp.zip There are two mistakes on the rxboard and at the rxcircuit: 1) On the board are exchanged two pins of the input FET. See the appropriate pdf and correct the layout/connections on the board with a knife and wire. 2) Instead of the R10+C11 (100Ohm+82pF) circuitry use a single capacitor 220pF for reaching a full amplifying of the NE592. Much success, Standa The details about how to buy the boards ready from Mr. Kohout here in Czech are on the Ondra's page: http://www.volny.cz/ondrej.tesar/ronja.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "???????????? ??????" To: "GPL free-space optical datalink" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Can I get a board? > We would also like the design of your boards. I represent a student wireless > network in greece. > Please send us a pcb design! > > Thank you > > wireless.uoc.gr > > the doc > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Kluss" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:18 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Can I get a board? > > > > Jakub Ladman, > > > > hope you know english, > > Could I buy some of these boards from you, or maybe tell me how to make > > them. > > http://ronja.czfree.net/pictures/rx/ladmanj/rx_t.jpg, and > > http://ronja.czfree.net/pictures/tx/ladmanj/tx_t.jpg they look very > useful. > > And one for the computer interface would be good also > > > > > > Daniel Kluss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From xerox_irs at lvcm.com Thu May 22 14:57:45 2003 From: xerox_irs at lvcm.com (Daniel Kluss) Date: Thu May 22 21:57:03 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Can I get a board? References: <000801c31767$1e370b20$220b6844@server1><20030511235312.B1091@beton.cybernet.cz><000901c31810$fa117fa0$220b6844@server1><20030512223234.A480@beton.cybernet.cz><001b01c318e8$5c604c40$220b6844@server1><20030513111842.B1098@beton.cybernet.cz><002301c31a3c$dc1c2da0$c20a6844@server1> <008701c31afd$96180330$ab033493@ucnet.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <001601c320a4$cb6316e0$0d056844@lv.cox.net> Me too please, Daiel Kluss, (Las Vegas, Nevada, USA) xerox_irs@lvcm.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "???????????? ??????" To: "GPL free-space optical datalink" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Can I get a board? > We would also like the design of your boards. I represent a student wireless > network in greece. > Please send us a pcb design! > > Thank you > > wireless.uoc.gr > > the doc > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Kluss" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:18 PM > Subject: [Ronja] Can I get a board? > > > > Jakub Ladman, > > > > hope you know english, > > Could I buy some of these boards from you, or maybe tell me how to make > > them. > > http://ronja.czfree.net/pictures/rx/ladmanj/rx_t.jpg, and > > http://ronja.czfree.net/pictures/tx/ladmanj/tx_t.jpg they look very > useful. > > And one for the computer interface would be good also > > > > > > Daniel Kluss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hollari1 at gmx.at Fri May 23 13:19:32 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigi) Date: Fri May 23 11:19:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface References: Message-ID: <006701c32114$cdadfc60$1ab00b0a@connect.atwork.ent> Is it now possible to use 2 Ronjas with TP interfaces, or not ?? Do i need something like a AUI interface, or can i connect 2 PCs directly to 2 Ronjas ?!? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:00 PM Subject: Ronja Digest, Vol 1, Issue 156 > Send Ronja mailing list submissions to > ronja@lists.pointless.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ronja-request@lists.pointless.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ronja-owner@lists.pointless.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ronja digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 480/2000Sb (clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:09:51 +0200 > From: clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz > Subject: [Ronja] Re: 480/2000Sb > To: Patrik Oravec > Cc: ronja@lists.pointless.net > Message-ID: <20030517140951.A709@beton.cybernet.cz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 > > > > > No ma bryle ale s poradnyma dioptiriema, treba mozna na ni testovali. nej?ky > > svetlo :))) > > No a diru vetsi ... si mi pripomnel uryvek z jednoho filmu :))) > > > > Nic, takze je to to cerny uprostred oka? Myslim ta dira, kterou popisujes. > > Nevi m jaxe to rekne odborne:((( > > pupila :) > > Cl< > > PAtrik > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > End of Ronja Digest, Vol 1, Issue 156 > ************************************* > From clock at twibright.com Thu May 29 11:53:21 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (Clock) Date: Thu May 29 09:53:25 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Ztracena objednavka Message-ID: <20030529105321.A17453@beton.cybernet.cz> Kdosi si objednaval nejake 3c509 a diody, ale podarilo se mi to omylem smazat kdyz jsem vyhazoval spam, tak bych chtel poprosit, jestli je na mailinglistu, jestli by to mohl poslat znovu. Diky Cl< From matutet at tb-solutions.com Thu May 29 11:57:54 2003 From: matutet at tb-solutions.com (Jos=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9?= Antonio Matute) Date: Thu May 29 09:53:36 2003 Subject: [Ronja] automated response Message-ID: <10305291057.AA01776@tb-solutions.com> Durante la semana comprendida entre el 26 y el 30 de Mayo no podré atender mi correo electrónico. Para cualquier asunto que requiera una atención urgente puede utilizar el teléfono 902 44.32.77 o la dirección de correo info@tb-solutions.com Saludos. From farkas at szm.sk Thu May 29 17:31:00 2003 From: farkas at szm.sk (Richard Farkas) Date: Thu May 29 15:34:53 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Material krabicky Message-ID: <13730526750.20030529163100@szm.sk> Dobry den, V navodoch na Ronju je uvedene, ze krabicky su z pocinovaneho plechu. Ja som taky nezohnal, skusil som to s pozinkovanym. Ten som potrel kyselinou solnou a popajkoval tvrdou klampiarskou pajkou velkou pajkovackou na strechy domov. Na nu zasa nechyta obycajna pajka pouzita s obycajnou malou pajkovackou. Na obrazkoch v navode krabicky vyzerali ako z medeneho plechu. Medeny plech mi chcu predat len celu velku tabulu za 1800,- Sk co je vela. Tak skusam popajkovat to hniezdo na kuprextite, ktory potom planujem po okrajoch pripajkovat tou tvrdou pajkou k pozinkovanym krabickam. Otazka: - je v tom nejaky zasadny problem? - pri pouziti medeneho plechu - nie je problem s pajkovanim? obaval by som sa velkeho odvodu tepla a nedokonaleho spoja. -- S pozdravom, Richard Farkas mailto:farkas@szm.sk From vojta at sinus.cz Thu May 29 21:43:48 2003 From: vojta at sinus.cz (Vojtech Pithart) Date: Thu May 29 19:44:08 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Material krabicky In-Reply-To: <13730526750.20030529163100@szm.sk> References: <13730526750.20030529163100@szm.sk> Message-ID: <3ED654E4.30902@brita> Richard Farkas wrote: > - pri pouziti medeneho plechu - nie je problem s pajkovanim? obaval > by som sa velkeho odvodu tepla a nedokonaleho spoja. Ja jsem to pajel do krabicek z pozinkovaneho plechu a odvod tepla byl docela velky, ale se dvema pajkama se to dalo. V rozich se to po dlouhem prohrivani dalo spajet, ale po spajeni dvou krabicek byly obe pajky zhave a umela hmota deklu dost mekka :-). Pripojovani soucastek k tomu plechu jsem delal tak, ze jsem v prislusnem miste plech trosku poskrabal kudlou a na to misto si pak pripajel kousek cinu (jen jednou pajkou, asi 20-30 vterin stacilo). Kdyz tam ten cin pak drzel, pripajet k nemu danou soucastku uz bylo docela rychle. (Horsi ji ale bylo odpajet - to se to muselo prohrat zase skoro cele). Zdravi Vojta Lhota From xkutale1 at informatics.muni.cz Thu May 29 21:54:09 2003 From: xkutale1 at informatics.muni.cz (David Kutalek) Date: Thu May 29 19:54:14 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Material krabicky In-Reply-To: <3ED654E4.30902@brita> Message-ID: Kdyz tak ctu, na co pajite... Imho nejlepci je cuprextit, udelat z toho i krabicku. Pokud chcete usetrit, zajdete na smetak nebo do nejake autoopravny, lakovny, kuchyne,... a vyzebrejte plechove kanystriky. Nejlip asi od redidla - na vnitrni stranu se paji naprosto vyborne, ani neni treba odmastovat ;-) Kuty > Richard Farkas wrote: > > - pri pouziti medeneho plechu - nie je problem s pajkovanim? obaval > > by som sa velkeho odvodu tepla a nedokonaleho spoja. > > Ja jsem to pajel do krabicek z pozinkovaneho plechu a odvod tepla byl docela > velky, ale se dvema pajkama se to dalo. V rozich se to po dlouhem prohrivani > dalo spajet, ale po spajeni dvou krabicek byly obe pajky zhave a umela hmota > deklu dost mekka :-). Pripojovani soucastek k tomu plechu jsem delal tak, ze > jsem v prislusnem miste plech trosku poskrabal kudlou a na to misto si pak > pripajel kousek cinu (jen jednou pajkou, asi 20-30 vterin stacilo). Kdyz tam > ten cin pak drzel, pripajet k nemu danou soucastku uz bylo docela rychle. > (Horsi ji ale bylo odpajet - to se to muselo prohrat zase skoro cele). David Kutalek, xkutale1@fi.muni.cz (-: Peace, Flowers, Freedom, Happiness :-) From boza2 at volny.cz Fri May 30 09:13:45 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri May 30 07:17:28 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Material krabicky In-Reply-To: <3ED654E4.30902@brita> References: <13730526750.20030529163100@szm.sk> <3ED654E4.30902@brita> Message-ID: <182489070.20030530081345@volny.cz> Panove, kdyz to tak ctu.... Pokud jste v dosahu firmy GM Elektronik, (coz v CR i SR jste) tak doporucuji za pouhych 25Kc koupit skvelou krabicku z pocinovaneho plechu (U-AH-...), ktera dobre vypada, dobre drzi a jeste se na ni dobre paji. A muzete vypustit z navodu na stavbu Ronjy tu pasaz, ktera vas nuti byti klempirem :-) Ondra VP> Richard Farkas wrote: >> - pri pouziti medeneho plechu - nie je problem s pajkovanim? obaval >> by som sa velkeho odvodu tepla a nedokonaleho spoja. VP> Ja jsem to pajel do krabicek z pozinkovaneho plechu a odvod tepla byl docela VP> velky, ale se dvema pajkama se to dalo. V rozich se to po dlouhem prohrivani VP> dalo spajet, ale po spajeni dvou krabicek byly obe pajky zhave a umela hmota VP> deklu dost mekka :-). Pripojovani soucastek k tomu plechu jsem delal tak, ze VP> jsem v prislusnem miste plech trosku poskrabal kudlou a na to misto si pak VP> pripajel kousek cinu (jen jednou pajkou, asi 20-30 vterin stacilo). Kdyz tam VP> ten cin pak drzel, pripajet k nemu danou soucastku uz bylo docela rychle. VP> (Horsi ji ale bylo odpajet - to se to muselo prohrat zase skoro cele). VP> Zdravi Vojta Lhota VP> _______________________________________________ VP> Ronja mailing list VP> Ronja@lists.pointless.net VP> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From farkas at szm.sk Fri May 30 18:49:13 2003 From: farkas at szm.sk (Richard Farkas) Date: Fri May 30 16:52:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] material na krabicky Message-ID: <167810226.20030530174913@szm.sk> Dobry den, >> Tak skusam popajkovat to hniezdo na kuprextite, ktory potom planujem >> po okrajoch pripajkovat tou tvrdou pajkou k pozinkovanym krabickam. > Kdyz tak ctu, na co pajite... Imho nejlepci je cuprextit, udelat z toho i > krabicku. ... Pri kuprextite sa obavam dostatocnosti hrubky medi. Neviem, nakolko je pri VF obvodoch limitujucim faktorom hrubka tieniaceho kovu a ci vobec (ja viem, hanba pre inziniera...). AD GM - nie je to take jednoduche, ja v Lucenci mam 150 km do Kosic a 250 km do Bratislavy, kde snad jedine sa da GM najst. Vybavenie objednavky dielov z Kosic cez SOS trvalo vyse mesiaca, aj to bez diod HPWT -- S pozdravom, Richard Farkas mailto:farkas@szm.sk