From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Mon Dec 1 12:12:55 2003 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Mon Dec 1 12:13:02 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ronja Message-ID: hi, guys! some new stuff on www.silvije.tk... greetz From Aldik at quick.cz Mon Dec 1 13:55:35 2003 From: Aldik at quick.cz (Ales Pavel) Date: Mon Dec 1 13:55:45 2003 Subject: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) In-Reply-To: <000001c3b662$c2f60860$4805150a@polous> Message-ID: Mno Shimi sliboval ze nam je udela 1200 za 6 ks,kde le touhle dobou je nevim,stale se neozyva.... Nevite nekdo?.-)) _________________________________________ Ales Pavel ICQ#: 44615538 Work Tel#: +420777992792 More ways to contact me: http://wwp.icq.com/44615538 _________________________________________ > Zdravim, > > Nenechal si nekdo delat DPS TP od Rysa v Praze ? Pripadne jestli > o ne nekdo > nema zajem (nechalo by se jich udelat vic). > > Nebo nemohl by mi nekdo zapujcit filmy na vyrobu tohohle TPcka ? > (Pan Bucek > mi rikal, ze si to nechalo delat hodne lidi) Chtel bych si nechat > udelat 2ks > (po oziveni prvniho paru Ronj. pak kolem 10ks) ale pan Bucek (z Brna) mi > rekl, ze mi to udela a chce 672kc/ks (pri mnozstvi 2ks) + 620 za filmy. > > Pri mnozstvi 20ks u nej klesa cena na 260kc/ks + 620kc. > > diky za pomoc > > pOlOus > polous@katka.biz, ICQ: 94887762 > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From polous at katka.biz Mon Dec 1 14:04:48 2003 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Dec 1 14:05:13 2003 Subject: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) References: Message-ID: <016401c3b814$20636f30$4805150a@polous> Muzes mi dat vedet az se ozve ? Rad bych vzal dva kousky na voskouseni... ICQ:94887762 dik pOlOus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ales Pavel" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: RE: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) > > Mno Shimi sliboval ze nam je udela 1200 za 6 ks,kde le touhle dobou je > nevim,stale se neozyva.... > Nevite nekdo?.-)) > > _________________________________________ > Ales Pavel > ICQ#: 44615538 > Work Tel#: +420777992792 > More ways to contact me: http://wwp.icq.com/44615538 > _________________________________________ > > > > Zdravim, > > > > Nenechal si nekdo delat DPS TP od Rysa v Praze ? Pripadne jestli > > o ne nekdo > > nema zajem (nechalo by se jich udelat vic). > > > > Nebo nemohl by mi nekdo zapujcit filmy na vyrobu tohohle TPcka ? > > (Pan Bucek > > mi rikal, ze si to nechalo delat hodne lidi) Chtel bych si nechat > > udelat 2ks > > (po oziveni prvniho paru Ronj. pak kolem 10ks) ale pan Bucek (z Brna) mi > > rekl, ze mi to udela a chce 672kc/ks (pri mnozstvi 2ks) + 620 za filmy. > > > > Pri mnozstvi 20ks u nej klesa cena na 260kc/ks + 620kc. > > > > diky za pomoc > > > > pOlOus > > polous@katka.biz, ICQ: 94887762 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 1 14:09:43 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Dec 1 14:09:54 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Status vyvoje TP Message-ID: <20031201150943.A20795@beton.cybernet.src> Ahoj Vyvoj TP je dneska v tomto stadiu: Navrh schematu je hotovy zbyva par kosmetickych detailu. Krabice na prototyp je hotova osazuje se vrabci hnizdo asi petina je osazena. Cl< From polous at katka.biz Mon Dec 1 14:20:39 2003 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Mon Dec 1 14:21:01 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Status vyvoje TP otazky? References: <20031201150943.A20795@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000501c3b816$4cd0f5e0$4805150a@polous> Ahoj, Resim tedka TP a tak se te chci zeptat: Mas vlastni zapojeni nebo modifikujes Highlandra ci nekoho jineho? Planujes DPS ? Kdy odhadujes, ze budou ? - vim, ze otazka casu je tiziva... ale skus to ... ;-) mej se pekne a dik p0l0us polous@katka.biz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: [Ronja] Status vyvoje TP > Ahoj > > Vyvoj TP je dneska v tomto stadiu: > > Navrh schematu je hotovy zbyva par kosmetickych detailu. > Krabice na prototyp je hotova osazuje se vrabci hnizdo asi petina je > osazena. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Dec 1 14:25:51 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Dec 1 14:28:05 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Status vyvoje TP otazky? In-Reply-To: <000501c3b816$4cd0f5e0$4805150a@polous> References: <20031201150943.A20795@beton.cybernet.src> <000501c3b816$4cd0f5e0$4805150a@polous> Message-ID: <200312011525.52119.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne po 1. prosince 2003 15:20 Martin Polehla napsal(a): > Ahoj, > Resim tedka TP a tak se te chci zeptat: > > Mas vlastni zapojeni nebo modifikujes Highlandra ci nekoho jineho? > Dovolil bych si doplnit, na autonegoattion je tam uP, nebo to neni reseno vubec? Diky S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From klein at eshs.sk Mon Dec 1 15:27:38 2003 From: klein at eshs.sk (Marcel Klein) Date: Mon Dec 1 15:29:56 2003 Subject: [Ronja] HPWT-BH-H4000 Message-ID: <019c01c3b81f$f1af2470$1200000a@hw> Vie niekto narychlo predat par kuskov LED HPWT-BD00-F4000? pripadne da sa to kupit v cechach/slovensku v kusovom mnozstve? Skusal uz niekto HPWT-BH00-H4000 ? Ak by som objednal balicek 60ks, ma niekto zaujem o par kuskov? Marcel From zavadilm at centrum.cz Mon Dec 1 17:20:48 2003 From: zavadilm at centrum.cz (Marek Zavadil) Date: Mon Dec 1 17:23:15 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Kde se necha koupit 130mm cocka? Message-ID: <20031201172056Z108728-28706+1151026@mail.centrum.cz> Pokud mozno v Brne, nebo v Holesovicky trznici v Praze - mohli byste nekdo blize popsat kde? -------------------- Eurotel Data Nonstop - Neomezen? p??stup na internet ji? od 799 K? m?s??n?! http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesAndTariffs/specialOffer.html?list=34995 From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 1 18:09:25 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Dec 1 18:10:09 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Kde se necha koupit 130mm cocka? In-Reply-To: <20031201172056Z108728-28706+1151026@mail.centrum.cz>; from zavadilm@centrum.cz on Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 06:20:48PM +0100 References: <20031201172056Z108728-28706+1151026@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20031201190925.A21138@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 06:20:48PM +0100, Marek Zavadil wrote: > Pokud mozno v Brne, > nebo v Holesovicky trznici v Praze - mohli byste nekdo blize popsat > kde? Vetsinou to bejva hlavni vchod a hned doprava asi 3 metry. Pokud to tam nemaj tak bud to nemaj vubec (nekdy je nemaj, spektrum signalu udavajici jestli je maj nebo ne ma podle me nejsilnejsi spektralni komponenty okolo 1/tyden) a nebo je maj na jinym stanku nahodne zapadlym kdesi v hlubi trznice. Cl< > > -------------------- > Eurotel Data Nonstop - Neomezen? p??stup na internet ji? od 799 K? m?s??n?! > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesAndTariffs/specialOffer.html?list=34995 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hollari1 at gmx.at Tue Dec 2 09:27:08 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Tue Dec 2 09:27:26 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface Problems ? References: Message-ID: <4207.1070357228@www3.gmx.net> Hi to all !! I?ve now built the Ronja TP Interface from Hilander with the Changes from Silvije. But i have big problems with it. I?m Using the followind TP - Equipment : 1x 10/100MBit Switch 1x 10 MBit Hub 1x PC with some 3COM 10/100 NIC (forced to 10 Mbit Full Duplex) 1x Compaq Armada with Intel(R) PRO/100+ MiniPCI (forced to 10 Mbit Full Duplex). When i try a PC-Laptop connection, i never can ping something. When i connect anything to the 10/100 Switch it?s the same. Only when i have the 10MBit hub at one end, and the Laptop at the other, i can ping sometimes. But it still has a really strange behaviour : As long as there is data flowin over the Hub, i can ping sometimes. When the Hub has no other data to transmit, then also the Ronja seems to be dead. -> ?!? Can someone tell me exactly, which NICs i have to use for bringing the Ronja?s to work ? Or maybe some of the timings, maybe there is something to tune e.g. with the link pulses ?!? Greetings, Sigi -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung f?r MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Tue Dec 2 13:19:02 2003 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Tue Dec 2 13:19:07 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface Problems ? In-Reply-To: <4207.1070357228@www3.gmx.net> References: <4207.1070357228@www3.gmx.net> Message-ID: Get 10 Mbps NIC. Although it seems in driver that you have forced 10/100 Mbps NIC to 10 Mbps it seems that it does not work that way, at least not full duplex. I had a few NICs which were very easily "forced" in driver to 10 M FD but it was just in the driver, Nic still worked in auto mode which is not good . So once again, get 10 mbps NICs. 10/100 switch could be of use only if it is managable, and if it really changes his mode when you give the command. If you have unmanaged switch forget about it in most cases. First test TP on 10 Mbps NIC if it even works, and then try to get it going on other network equipment. If it is not working even on a 10 Mbps Nic then check voltages in test points, and if they are fine, the problem must be in a TP transformer. so do a little scam with changing resistor values. Also check connection on utp cable to use proper pins, and if you have rj45 connector like on last schematic, be sure to use patch cable to NIC. I am sorry but I cannot help you more than this. People, wait for Clock's TP face, as I hear it will be KILLer. Let's hope so. btw: I have added TPTXLB schematic to my page, and I hope very soon my AUI-TP transceiver prototype will be finished... www.silvije.tk Greetz, Silvije On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > Hi to all !! > > I?ve now built the Ronja TP Interface from Hilander with the Changes from > Silvije. > But i have big problems with it. > I?m Using the followind TP - Equipment : > 1x 10/100MBit Switch > 1x 10 MBit Hub > 1x PC with some 3COM 10/100 NIC (forced to 10 Mbit Full Duplex) > 1x Compaq Armada with Intel(R) PRO/100+ MiniPCI (forced to 10 Mbit Full > Duplex). > > When i try a PC-Laptop connection, i never can ping something. > When i connect anything to the 10/100 Switch it?s the same. > > Only when i have the 10MBit hub at one end, and the Laptop at the other, > i can ping sometimes. > But it still has a really strange behaviour : > As long as there is data flowin over the Hub, i can ping sometimes. > When the Hub has no other data to transmit, then also the Ronja seems to be > dead. -> ?!? > > Can someone tell me exactly, which NICs i have to use for bringing the > Ronja?s to work ? > > Or maybe some of the timings, > maybe there is something to tune e.g. with the link pulses ?!? > > Greetings, Sigi > > -- > +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More +++ > Neu: Preissenkung f?r MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 2 14:42:51 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 2 14:44:15 2003 Subject: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) References: <016401c3b814$20636f30$4805150a@polous> Message-ID: <002a01c3b8e2$90488fa0$0101a8c0@cz> Takhle mi funguje TP interface co mam na webu. Test 12h pingu s LED F4000: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/12h_ping_2x3c900tpo.gif Test 24h pingu s LED F4000: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/ping_24h.gif Test 12h pingu s infra LED: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/infraping.jpg Test s infra LED: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/kuzel_5cm.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/TX-infra_on-35stupnu.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/TX-infra_on-0stupnu.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/infraLED-TXroura-40m_cocka130mm.jpg Test s infra v FTP rezimu: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/infraled_testftp.jpg Test s F4000 v FTP rezimu: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/rychlost.gif RX infra dioda SFH 2030F: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/Infra_LED_HSDL-4230/sfh2030f.jpg Takhle vypada 10ks tistaku (pocinovane, nepajiva maska, potisk, FR4, prokov) od Bucka : http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/Jezirko.jpg Takhle jede TP na stole: http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/spoj1.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/spoj4.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/tp.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/tp_2n3904.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/tp_iface-celek.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/tp_oscilator.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/tp_rj45-filtr.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/tp_rj45.jpg http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/tp_txled.jpg Jinak receno, funguje to. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Polehla" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) > Muzes mi dat vedet az se ozve ? Rad bych vzal dva kousky na voskouseni... > > ICQ:94887762 > > dik pOlOus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ales Pavel" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:55 PM > Subject: RE: [Ronja] DPS TP Ronja by Rys (Highlander verze) > > > > > > Mno Shimi sliboval ze nam je udela 1200 za 6 ks,kde le touhle dobou je > > nevim,stale se neozyva.... > > Nevite nekdo?.-)) > > > > _________________________________________ > > Ales Pavel > > ICQ#: 44615538 > > Work Tel#: +420777992792 > > More ways to contact me: http://wwp.icq.com/44615538 > > _________________________________________ > > > > > > > Zdravim, > > > > > > Nenechal si nekdo delat DPS TP od Rysa v Praze ? Pripadne jestli > > > o ne nekdo > > > nema zajem (nechalo by se jich udelat vic). > > > > > > Nebo nemohl by mi nekdo zapujcit filmy na vyrobu tohohle TPcka ? > > > (Pan Bucek > > > mi rikal, ze si to nechalo delat hodne lidi) Chtel bych si nechat > > > udelat 2ks > > > (po oziveni prvniho paru Ronj. pak kolem 10ks) ale pan Bucek (z Brna) mi > > > rekl, ze mi to udela a chce 672kc/ks (pri mnozstvi 2ks) + 620 za filmy. > > > > > > Pri mnozstvi 20ks u nej klesa cena na 260kc/ks + 620kc. > > > > > > diky za pomoc > > > > > > pOlOus > > > polous@katka.biz, ICQ: 94887762 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From klein at eshs.sk Tue Dec 2 14:45:43 2003 From: klein at eshs.sk (Marcel Klein) Date: Tue Dec 2 14:45:46 2003 Subject: [Ronja] HPWT-BH-H4000 References: <019c01c3b81f$f1af2470$1200000a@hw> Message-ID: <007301c3b8e2$f6c71df0$1200000a@hw> Nechodi posta, alebo nikto nereaguje? Marcel > Vie niekto narychlo predat par kuskov LED HPWT-BD00-F4000? pripadne da sa to > kupit v cechach/slovensku v kusovom mnozstve? > > Skusal uz niekto HPWT-BH00-H4000 ? > Ak by som objednal balicek 60ks, ma niekto zaujem o par kuskov? > Marcel > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From zapadlo at melzer.cz Tue Dec 2 14:53:10 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Tue Dec 2 14:53:30 2003 Subject: [Ronja] HPWT-BH-H4000 In-Reply-To: <007301c3b8e2$f6c71df0$1200000a@hw> References: <019c01c3b81f$f1af2470$1200000a@hw> <007301c3b8e2$f6c71df0$1200000a@hw> Message-ID: <200312021553.10791.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > > Skusal uz niekto HPWT-BH00-H4000 ? > > Ak by som objednal balicek 60ks, ma niekto zaujem o par kuskov? Podle meho nazoru ano, Clock ma napsano ze maji mensi dosah, viz modules/transmiter/material http://ronja.twibright.com/transmitter/material.php S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From wpeople at ms.hu Tue Dec 2 15:07:17 2003 From: wpeople at ms.hu (Woodoo People .pGa!) Date: Tue Dec 2 15:07:34 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface Problems ? In-Reply-To: References: <4207.1070357228@www3.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20031202150717.GA18949@Shadow.ms.hu> > So once again, get 10 mbps NICs. 3com version worked for me using airborne's TP > > 10/100 switch could be of use only if it is managable, and if it really > changes his mode when you give the command. If you have unmanaged switch > forget about it in most cases. Well, using airborne's TP, non if my managed switch worked correctly. I have tested 3com, avaya cajun, allied telesyn. The best was 3com, but it also had packetloss. -- WoodOO-[P]an[G]alaktikan[A]gent-People <][> http://shadow.pganet.com wpeople@shadow.pganet.com]iCQ#33118021[wpeople.on.iRCNet]wpeople@RedHat.users From klein at eshs.sk Tue Dec 2 15:13:55 2003 From: klein at eshs.sk (Marcel Klein) Date: Tue Dec 2 15:14:05 2003 Subject: [Ronja] HPWT-BH-H4000 References: <019c01c3b81f$f1af2470$1200000a@hw><007301c3b8e2$f6c71df0$1200000a@hw> <200312021553.10791.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <007d01c3b8e6$e9a465c0$1200000a@hw> Ano, ale obycajne BH00. BH00-H4000 su podla datasheetu o dost silnejsie ako F4000..... Existuje este aj BH00-G4000. Marcel > > Skusal uz niekto HPWT-BH00-H4000 ? > > Ak by som objednal balicek 60ks, ma niekto zaujem o par kuskov? Podle meho nazoru ano, Clock ma napsano ze maji mensi dosah, viz modules/transmiter/material http://ronja.twibright.com/transmitter/material.php S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 2 20:11:14 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 2 20:11:23 2003 Subject: [Ronja] What's the difference between hi- and low-integration solution Message-ID: <20031202211114.A1246@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I'm computing temperature and tolerance margin for timing circuits and came across a striking difference between ML66552-based solutions and those based on discrete gates as Ronja is. 74HCxx family has operating temperature range -40 to +125 degC with other components taken into accounts, the range of Ronja is -25 degC to +85 degC ML6652 has in it's datasheet only 0 degC to +70 degC When frost or summer/sunlight strikes, 0-70 range is easily exceeded. On czfree there has been threads about AP/routers crashing during subzero and also during summerheat temperatures. Don't you somebody know what PC and AP chips/parts are specified for? I guess 0...70degC. I love those a-lot-of-simple-blocks-based solutions. You get a half-military temperature range for 8 CZK / integrated circuit :) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 2 20:14:02 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 2 20:14:03 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Vseobecny otazky ohledne provozu Ronji In-Reply-To: <000f01c3b90b$805ca580$3b6abfd5@rastr>; from dj_boy@seznam.cz on Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 08:35:48PM +0100 References: <000f01c3b90b$805ca580$3b6abfd5@rastr> Message-ID: <20031202211402.B1246@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 08:35:48PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > Cau lidi, mam par trochu dementnich otazek ohledne provozu: > 1. laka svetlo z Ronji nejak hmyz ? jako aby ta cocka nebyla zaplacana komarama a ja se pak nedivil ze to jaksi nejede :) To zrovna myslim moc ne - oni jdou spis na modry. Aspon lampy v kramech na chytani much sou modry. Navic me to tu bezi uz dlouho a hmyz jsem nikdy nepozoroval. A prinejhorsim, on se pod tou striskou usadi pavouk a hmyzy odchyta - aspon me se tam v lete usadil :) Cl< From huncaga at alphanet.sk Tue Dec 2 20:33:47 2003 From: huncaga at alphanet.sk (Stefan Huncaga) Date: Tue Dec 2 20:35:17 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Diody HPWT-BD00-F4000 Message-ID: <3FCCF72B.4000405@alphanet.sk> Ahojte, Neviete kde by sa dali zohnat diody do vysielaca HPWT-BD00-F4000 ? U nas na Slovensku o nich nikto nevie... Vdaka From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 2 21:44:44 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 2 21:45:52 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Vseobecny otazky ohledne provozu Ronji References: <000f01c3b90b$805ca580$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031202211402.B1246@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002801c3b91d$802f9ce0$0101a8c0@cz> Souhlas s Karlem. Ja tu testuji 3 tydny laser TX....jedinej problem...pavouk blbec jeden si postavi sit primo pred cockou. Neni nejak kriticke, ale kurna kdyz leze pro zradlo pres tu sitku, tak to pekne lita ;)) Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vseobecny otazky ohledne provozu Ronji > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 08:35:48PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > > Cau lidi, mam par trochu dementnich otazek ohledne provozu: > > 1. laka svetlo z Ronji nejak hmyz ? jako aby ta cocka nebyla zaplacana komarama a ja se pak nedivil ze to jaksi nejede :) > > To zrovna myslim moc ne - oni jdou spis na modry. Aspon lampy v kramech na chytani > much sou modry. Navic me to tu bezi uz dlouho a hmyz jsem nikdy nepozoroval. > > A prinejhorsim, on se pod tou striskou usadi pavouk a hmyzy odchyta - aspon me > se tam v lete usadil :) > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 2 22:05:32 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 2 22:05:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Vseobecny otazky ohledne provozu Ronji In-Reply-To: <002801c3b91d$802f9ce0$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:44:44PM +0100 References: <000f01c3b90b$805ca580$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031202211402.B1246@beton.cybernet.src> <002801c3b91d$802f9ce0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031202230532.A1688@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:44:44PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Souhlas s Karlem. Ja tu testuji 3 tydny laser TX....jedinej problem...pavouk > blbec jeden si postavi sit primo pred cockou. > Neni nejak kriticke, ale kurna kdyz leze pro zradlo pres tu sitku, tak to > pekne lita ;)) To jako v tyhle zime jsou venku nejaky pavouci? A co jako zerou? Mouchy AFAIK pochcipaj s prvnim mrazem. Cl< > > Martin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vseobecny otazky ohledne provozu Ronji > > > > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 08:35:48PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > > > Cau lidi, mam par trochu dementnich otazek ohledne provozu: > > > 1. laka svetlo z Ronji nejak hmyz ? jako aby ta cocka nebyla zaplacana > komarama a ja se pak nedivil ze to jaksi nejede :) > > > > To zrovna myslim moc ne - oni jdou spis na modry. Aspon lampy v kramech na > chytani > > much sou modry. Navic me to tu bezi uz dlouho a hmyz jsem nikdy > nepozoroval. > > > > A prinejhorsim, on se pod tou striskou usadi pavouk a hmyzy odchyta - > aspon me > > se tam v lete usadil :) > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 2 22:21:44 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 2 22:22:53 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Vseobecny otazky ohledne provozu Ronji References: <000f01c3b90b$805ca580$3b6abfd5@rastr> <20031202211402.B1246@beton.cybernet.src> <002801c3b91d$802f9ce0$0101a8c0@cz> <20031202230532.A1688@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c3b922$ab228a20$0101a8c0@cz> Jsem to testoval jiz v zari..... ted je druha faze s lepsi optikou. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vseobecny otazky ohledne provozu Ronji > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:44:44PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Souhlas s Karlem. Ja tu testuji 3 tydny laser TX....jedinej problem...pavouk > > blbec jeden si postavi sit primo pred cockou. > > Neni nejak kriticke, ale kurna kdyz leze pro zradlo pres tu sitku, tak to > > pekne lita ;)) > > To jako v tyhle zime jsou venku nejaky pavouci? A co jako zerou? Mouchy > AFAIK pochcipaj s prvnim mrazem. > > Cl< > > > > Martin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] Vseobecny otazky ohledne provozu Ronji > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 08:35:48PM +0100, DJ_BOY wrote: > > > > Cau lidi, mam par trochu dementnich otazek ohledne provozu: > > > > 1. laka svetlo z Ronji nejak hmyz ? jako aby ta cocka nebyla zaplacana > > komarama a ja se pak nedivil ze to jaksi nejede :) > > > > > > To zrovna myslim moc ne - oni jdou spis na modry. Aspon lampy v kramech na > > chytani > > > much sou modry. Navic me to tu bezi uz dlouho a hmyz jsem nikdy > > nepozoroval. > > > > > > A prinejhorsim, on se pod tou striskou usadi pavouk a hmyzy odchyta - > > aspon me > > > se tam v lete usadil :) > > > > > > Cl< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Dec 2 20:41:17 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Dec 3 17:06:41 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Kde se necha koupit 130mm cocka? In-Reply-To: <20031201172056Z108728-28706+1151026@mail.centrum.cz> References: <20031201172056Z108728-28706+1151026@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <9821625524.20031202214117@volny.cz> U hlavniho vchodu vedle McDonalda, hned za vratama. Dneska jsem tam zrovna 4ks. bral. Vypada to, ze jsou vybaveni, myslim ze 8ks. by mi urcite prodali. OndraT MZ> Pokud mozno v Brne, MZ> nebo v Holesovicky trznici v Praze - mohli byste nekdo blize popsat MZ> kde? MZ> -------------------- MZ> Eurotel Data Nonstop - Neomezen? p??stup na internet ji? od 799 K? m?s??n?!v MZ> http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesAndTariffs/specialOffer.html?list=34995 MZ> _______________________________________________ MZ> Ronja mailing list MZ> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MZ> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From dj_boy at seznam.cz Wed Dec 3 19:05:45 2003 From: dj_boy at seznam.cz (DJ_BOY) Date: Wed Dec 3 19:18:51 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Kde se necha koupit 130mm cocka? References: <20031201172056Z108728-28706+1151026@mail.centrum.cz> <9821625524.20031202214117@volny.cz> Message-ID: <003001c3b9d2$429a8740$3b6abfd5@rastr> Cau. Za kolik byl jeden kousek ? Diky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Kde se necha koupit 130mm cocka? U hlavniho vchodu vedle McDonalda, hned za vratama. Dneska jsem tam zrovna 4ks. bral. Vypada to, ze jsou vybaveni, myslim ze 8ks. by mi urcite prodali. OndraT MZ> Pokud mozno v Brne, MZ> nebo v Holesovicky trznici v Praze - mohli byste nekdo blize popsat MZ> kde? MZ> -------------------- MZ> Eurotel Data Nonstop - Neomezen? p??stup na internet ji? od 799 K? m?s??n?!v MZ> http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesA ndTariffs/specialOffer.html?list=34995 MZ> _______________________________________________ MZ> Ronja mailing list MZ> Ronja@lists.pointless.net MZ> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 3 20:08:31 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 3 20:08:36 2003 Subject: [Ronja] JEDEC standardy Message-ID: <20031203210831.A12713@beton.cybernet.src> Nevite prosimvas nekdo co presne se popisuje v JEDEC standardech popisujicich digitalni hradla a kde se daji sehnat? Diky Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Dec 4 09:15:56 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Dec 4 09:16:19 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Kde se necha koupit 130mm cocka? In-Reply-To: <003001c3b9d2$429a8740$3b6abfd5@rastr> References: <20031201172056Z108728-28706+1151026@mail.centrum.cz> <9821625524.20031202214117@volny.cz> <003001c3b9d2$429a8740$3b6abfd5@rastr> Message-ID: <193702056.20031204101556@volny.cz> Za 80Kc. Sympaticke, ne? OndraT D> Cau. Za kolik byl jeden kousek ? D> Diky From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Dec 4 09:17:45 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Dec 4 09:18:07 2003 Subject: [Ronja] JEDEC standardy In-Reply-To: <20031203210831.A12713@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031203210831.A12713@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <53810420.20031204101745@volny.cz> Na tyhle veci bych se ptal v konferenci HW servru. Myslim, ze uz jsi tam parkrat prispival... OndraT KK> Nevite prosimvas nekdo co presne se popisuje v JEDEC standardech KK> popisujicich digitalni hradla a kde se daji sehnat? KK> Diky KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Dec 4 12:14:11 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Dec 4 12:14:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Rx Message-ID: <2414394835.20031204131411@volny.cz> Zdravim, chci se zeptat: Postavil jste nekdo takovy Rx, aby v mericim bode P101 bylo opravdu 12V? Uz jsem jich postavil cca. 10ks. (vrabci hnizda) a u zadneho jsem teto hodnoty nedosahl. Vetsinou je tam tak 11.4 - 11.6V Proto to navrhuji ve schematu zmenit, aby to nebylo zavadejici. Jinak na vystupu toho zdvojovace pro mereni RSSI je az 5.3V a data tecou tak od 20mV. OndraT From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Dec 4 12:28:39 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Dec 4 12:28:50 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: <2414394835.20031204131411@volny.cz> References: <2414394835.20031204131411@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200312041328.39308.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 4. prosince 2003 13:14 Ondrej Tesar napsal(a): > > Jinak na vystupu toho zdvojovace pro mereni RSSI je az 5.3V a data > tecou tak od 20mV. > Nebylo by mozno doplnit do seznamu instalaci take napeti RSSI pri kterem to bezi. Myslim ze to by byla dulezita informace pro dalsi linky, aby clovek vedel jestli to udelal dobre nebo blbe a ma se snazit jeste dal. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 4 14:44:28 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Dec 4 14:44:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Rx In-Reply-To: <2414394835.20031204131411@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 01:14:11PM +0100 References: <2414394835.20031204131411@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031204154428.A21463@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 01:14:11PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Zdravim, > chci se zeptat: > Postavil jste nekdo takovy Rx, aby v mericim bode P101 bylo opravdu > 12V? Uz jsem jich postavil cca. 10ks. (vrabci hnizda) a u zadneho jsem > teto hodnoty nedosahl. Vetsinou je tam tak 11.4 - 11.6V > Proto to navrhuji ve schematu zmenit, aby to nebylo zavadejici. Hotovo. Cl< > > Jinak na vystupu toho zdvojovace pro mereni RSSI je az 5.3V a data > tecou tak od 20mV. > > OndraT > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Dec 4 23:05:20 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Dec 4 23:11:01 2003 Subject: [Ronja] lepsi LEDky - jsou pouzitelne? Message-ID: <5113157052.20031205000520@volny.cz> Zdravim, v prispevku http://czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=67243#post67243 se pise toto: emsik member P??sp?vek ?. 64 HPWT-BD00-E4000 je silnejsia verzia obycajnej HPWT-BD00-00000, este silnejsia je F4000 HPWT-BH00 ma tiez E4000, F4000 ktore maju rovnaky vykon ako BD00 ale BH00 sa vyraba aj G4000 a H4000 Podla datasheetu lumiled maju: 00000 1.5lm 3cd D4000 2-4.8lm 4-9.6cd E4000 2.5-6.1lm 5-12.2cd F4000 3-7.3lm 6-14.6cd G4000 3.5-9.7lm 7-19.4cd H4000 4-12lm 8-24cd teda H4000 by mala byt skoro 2x silnejsia ako E4000 Cau Jsou tyto LEDky primo pouzitelne pro Tx? Zpusobi ocekavane zvyseni dosahu? OndraT From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Dec 4 23:12:49 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Thu Dec 4 23:13:03 2003 Subject: [Ronja] dalsi TPcko Message-ID: <16513605792.20031205001249@volny.cz> Objevila se dalsi verze TPcka... http://czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=67482#post67482 OndraT From klein at eshs.sk Fri Dec 5 09:22:24 2003 From: klein at eshs.sk (Marcel Klein) Date: Fri Dec 5 09:22:24 2003 Subject: [Ronja] lepsi LEDky - jsou pouzitelne? References: <5113157052.20031205000520@volny.cz> Message-ID: <002401c3bb11$4b9e4e90$1200000a@hw> Uz som sa to tu raz pytal ci to niekto skusal, ale nejako je tu mrtvo. Ak by som mal vychadat z http://ronja.twibright.com/transmitter/material.php tak by to malo vyjst tak na 1.8km Marcel (emsik) P.S. Nechce tiez niekto nejake ML6652? V malom mnozstve to vychadza dost draho. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondrej Tesar" To: "twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: [Ronja] lepsi LEDky - jsou pouzitelne? Zdravim, v prispevku http://czfree.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=67243#post67243 se pise toto: emsik member P??sp?vek ?. 64 HPWT-BD00-E4000 je silnejsia verzia obycajnej HPWT-BD00-00000, este silnejsia je F4000 HPWT-BH00 ma tiez E4000, F4000 ktore maju rovnaky vykon ako BD00 ale BH00 sa vyraba aj G4000 a H4000 Podla datasheetu lumiled maju: 00000 1.5lm 3cd D4000 2-4.8lm 4-9.6cd E4000 2.5-6.1lm 5-12.2cd F4000 3-7.3lm 6-14.6cd G4000 3.5-9.7lm 7-19.4cd H4000 4-12lm 8-24cd teda H4000 by mala byt skoro 2x silnejsia ako E4000 Cau Jsou tyto LEDky primo pouzitelne pro Tx? Zpusobi ocekavane zvyseni dosahu? OndraT _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From shake at volny.cz Sun Dec 7 02:28:02 2003 From: shake at volny.cz (Bohdan Cech) Date: Sun Dec 7 02:25:19 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s RX Message-ID: <3FD29032.4040002@volny.cz> Zdravim, jelikoz crusader je stale nedostupny a buhvi jestli nekdy bude vrhli jsme se i v Ostrave na stavbu ronji. Dneska se uskutecnil prvni test, meli jsme k dispozici 2x AUI, 4xTX, 4xRX Zda se, ze se vsechno povedlo, az na ty RX, snad krome jednoho se vsechny chovaji divne. Soucastky jsme pouzili standartni a pajene je to ve vzduchu presne dle navodu. Jako nahradu za BPW43 jsme pouzili SFH-2030 a misto BF908 jsme pouzili BF961. Ted uz k problemum. 1 RX, kde se nam nepodarilo dostat hodnotu na P104 vys nez 3.05V Namerene hodnoty jsou: P101.............10.89 P102...............3.53 P103...............0 P104...............3.05 (pri pouziti R106 - 560 ohm) P105...............5.43 P106...............5.54 P107...............0 Zkouseli jsme vymenit BF961 za jiny, ale vysledek byl uplne stejny, zkouseli jsme to pripojit na jiny AUI/TX, pripadne pouzit jiny TX proti, ale vzdy stejny vysledek. Jsme bezradni, na P102, P103 jsou ok hodnoty, a tranzistor se zda byt v poradku, kde by mohl byt zakopany pes? U dalsiho RX se povedlo vytuningovat P104 na hodnotu 6.75, zbytek opet vsechno v norme, ale RSSI na nekolik centimetru prakticky nemeritelne, cca 0.05. Treti RX se projevuje podobne jako predchozi s tim rozdilem, ze na metr ma RSSI cca 100-120mV. Posledni RX ma na metr priblizne 900mV, coz je zrejme jediny momentalne spravne fungujici vzorek? Je nekde nejaka tabulka jake hodnoty RSSI bychom meli namerit na jakou vzdalenost? Tady mozna jeste poznamka, ze vysilaci diody jsou HPWT-BD00-E4000. S poslednimi dvemi jmenovanymi RX jsme zkusili prenos dat na jeden metr a vysledkem bylo 560kB/s. Na obou stranach 3c900B. Predpokladam, ze problem bude prave v tom jednom vadnem RX. No kazdopadne potesujici bylo, ze se to hned napoprve podarilo rozjet, ocenil bych help s tuningem tech RX a snad to vsechno bude fungovat :-) Diky S pozdravem Bohdan Cech From clock at twibright.com Sun Dec 7 12:47:06 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:47:24 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s RX In-Reply-To: <3FD29032.4040002@volny.cz>; from shake@volny.cz on Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 03:28:02AM +0100 References: <3FD29032.4040002@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031207134706.B257@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 03:28:02AM +0100, Bohdan Cech wrote: > Zdravim, > > jelikoz crusader je stale nedostupny a buhvi jestli nekdy bude vrhli jsme > se i v Ostrave na stavbu ronji. > Dneska se uskutecnil prvni test, meli jsme k dispozici > 2x AUI, 4xTX, 4xRX > Zda se, ze se vsechno povedlo, az na ty RX, snad krome jednoho se > vsechny chovaji divne. > Soucastky jsme pouzili standartni a pajene je to ve vzduchu presne > dle navodu. Jako nahradu za BPW43 jsme pouzili SFH-2030 a misto > BF908 jsme pouzili BF961. > Ted uz k problemum. 1 RX, kde se nam nepodarilo dostat hodnotu na P104 > vys nez 3.05V > Namerene hodnoty jsou: > P101.............10.89 > P102...............3.53 > P103...............0 > P104...............3.05 (pri pouziti R106 - 560 ohm) Omlouvam se. Predtim jsem dal do ty tabulky odpory jenom k 560 ohmum a nektery tranzistory jdou se svejma parametrama tak mimo, ze je potreba az 180 ohmu. Nejakou dobu je to tam uz opraveny na tom webu. Stahnete si pls novy schema a zkuste tam dat odpory mezi 180 - 560 ohmu. Kdyz jsem bastlil tady prijimac na testovani Trinitracku tak se mi stalo to samy - taky jsem to vymenil a taky jsem se divil. Pak jsem prohrabal datasheety a zjistil jsem ze ty tranzistory maj fakt akovej rozptyl, obzvlast kdyz jich je tam vic typu. Nastesti to nevadi nijak citlivosti, je to jen takova kosmeticka otrava, ze jeden chodi na 3mA a druhy na 30mA. To ze jsem tam mel mensi rozsah si vysvetluju tak ze jsem napred ty odpory dal asi podle datasheetu jednoho tranzistoru a kdyz jsem psal ekvivalenty tak jsem se uz nekoukal kam az ty ostatni tranzistory muzou chodit se svejma pracovnima proudama. Cl< > P105...............5.43 > P106...............5.54 > P107...............0 > Zkouseli jsme vymenit BF961 za jiny, ale vysledek byl uplne stejny, > zkouseli jsme > to pripojit na jiny AUI/TX, pripadne pouzit jiny TX proti, ale vzdy > stejny vysledek. > Jsme bezradni, na P102, P103 jsou ok hodnoty, a tranzistor se zda byt v > poradku, > kde by mohl byt zakopany pes? > > U dalsiho RX se povedlo vytuningovat P104 na hodnotu 6.75, zbytek opet > vsechno v norme, > ale RSSI na nekolik centimetru prakticky nemeritelne, cca 0.05. Je potreba to zkusit na vetsi vzdalenost pri nekolika cm je to prehlceny. > > Treti RX se projevuje podobne jako predchozi s tim rozdilem, ze na metr > ma RSSI cca 100-120mV. Zmerte G1 od tech tranzistoru. Jestli je tam vic jak rekneme 0.1mV tak je prorazena baze. > > Posledni RX ma na metr priblizne 900mV, coz je zrejme jediny momentalne > spravne fungujici > vzorek? Je nekde nejaka tabulka jake hodnoty RSSI bychom meli namerit na Jo to je dobry. I ten s 100/120mV muze byt dobry ty RSSI maj rozptyl - prave se to zhruba pro velky hodnoty nasobi velikosti toho odporu R106. > jakou vzdalenost? > Tady mozna jeste poznamka, ze vysilaci diody jsou HPWT-BD00-E4000. Jo to je OK Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sun Dec 7 17:25:49 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Dec 7 17:25:52 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366>; from jahodaj@volny.cz on Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 11:24:26AM +0100 References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz> <002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366> Message-ID: <20031207182549.D1583@beton.cybernet.src> > dik moc LG > ----- Original Message ----- > From: -=RYS=- > To: Twibright Ronja > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:04 PM > Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > Tak jsem poresil 100Mbps pro Crusader a myslim, ze podobne to bude i u 100Mbps Ronja. > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/100Mbps_TXCrusader.jpg A ty se uz prestan vytahovat s tema svejma proprietarnima produktama na mailing listu od open source projektu. Myslim ze kdyz k tomu nedas zdrojak tak je to tady mistnim platny jak mrtvymu zimnik a stejne se muzeme dusevne osvezovat treba na P.R. strankach fSONA, Canobeam a podobne. To je asi tak jako by psal Bill Gates do linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org podivejte co sme do XP-cek zavedli za super skvely novy cool featury. Cl< > > > -=RYS=- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Dec 7 17:18:13 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Dec 7 17:44:28 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <003901c3bcde$374b9e10$dabf6150@DEMOIRE>; from mumuletz@mymail.ro on Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 06:21:21PM +0200 References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz> <002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366> <003901c3bcde$374b9e10$dabf6150@DEMOIRE> Message-ID: <20031207181813.C1583@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 06:21:21PM +0200, Mumuletz Mic wrote: > Could anyone translate this please. It would be hot if Ronja would work at > 100 Mhz and over a TP interface. This is not about Ronja, but about some commercial proprietary project based on ML6652. 100Mbps Ronja is scheduled but work is being carried out on a 10Mbps TP at the moment. Cl< > > Thank's! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jaroslav Jahoda > To: Twibright Ronja > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > Zdar pls, > ten nevej prijimac ma opravdu 100Mbps? > jake sou naklady na stavbu? > uz je hotovej tp interface? > co prijimac? > > dik moc LG > ----- Original Message ----- > From: -=RYS=- > To: Twibright Ronja > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:04 PM > Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > Tak jsem poresil 100Mbps pro Crusader a myslim, ze podobne to bude i u 100Mbps Ronja. > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/100Mbps_TXCrusader.jpg > > > -=RYS=- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Acasa.ro vine cu albumele, tu vino doar cu pozele ;) > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Acasa.ro vine cu albumele, tu vino doar cu pozele ;) > http://poze.acasa.ro/ > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Sun Dec 7 17:53:13 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Dec 7 17:53:06 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?iso-8859-2?q?Probl=E9m_se_stavbou_Ronjy?= In-Reply-To: ; from radek.vanhara@raz-dva.cz on Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 06:51:08PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20031207185313.A1707@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 06:51:08PM +0100, Radek Vanhara wrote: > ?au Clocku, > m?m probl?m se stavbou Ronjy. Za sv?j ?ivot jsem sletoval spoustu vrab??ch > hn?zd a postavil spoustu plo?n?ch spoj?, ale Ronja je pro mn? super o???ek. > Kdy? to v?echno zkloub?m dohromady, v?e se chov?, ?e to chce fungovat (kdy? > na vstup transceiveru p?ipojim sign?l s frekvenc? 10MHz, rozsv?t? se LED Tx > a na druh? stran? LED Rx, m???m-li v?stup z Rx osciloskopem -> v?e je v > po??dku). Ale kdy? to p?ipoj?m na PC, PING ani "ne?t?kne". Zkou?el jsem > snad u? v?echno: vrab?? hn?zda, plo?n? spoje, moduly rozhran? pro TP (zde > se ani nerozsv?t? LED na s??ovce). V?dy to d?l? to sam?. Ledky si > poblik?vaj? ale nekomunikuje to. > Pros?m napi? mi n?jak? tip co bych st?m mohl ud?lat. Jsou na nejakejch mericich bodech neobvykle hodnoty? Je RX na tistaku? Je RX neuzavreny v plechove krabicce? Je RX v plechove krabicce ktera neni uzavrena? Cl< > Zat?m moc d?k za kladnou odpov??... > > S pozdravem Radek Va?hara > radek.vanhara@raz-dva.cz > > -- > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From clock at twibright.com Sun Dec 7 18:40:27 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Dec 7 18:40:30 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?iso-8859-2?q?Probl=E9m_se_stavbou_Ronjy?= In-Reply-To: ; from radek.vanhara@raz-dva.cz on Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 07:14:50PM +0100 References: <20031207185313.A1707@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031207194027.A1874@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 07:14:50PM +0100, Radek Vanhara wrote: > > > Jsou na nejakejch mericich bodech neobvykle hodnoty? > > Je RX na tistaku? > > Je RX neuzavreny v plechove krabicce? > > Je RX v plechove krabicce ktera neni uzavrena? > > Rx je na ti???ku a je v otev?en? plechov? krabi?ce. Ale zkou?el jsem i > vrab?? hn?zdo. V tom p??pad? doporu?uju pro rozchozen? pou??vat to vrab?? hn?zdo (zadeklen? samoz?ejm? - jinak to chyt? v?echno mo?n?) > Je?t? dotaz: kdy? spoj?m st?edy koax? vedouc? z modulu rozhran?, m?lo by to > fungovat jako LoopBack? Proto?e, kdy? to spoj?m, tak se tomu moc nechce. Ano. Doporu?uju spojovat kr?tk?m kouskem dr?tu p??mo na svorkovnici. > Ale kdy? to propoj?m p??mo u konektoru s??ov? karty, LoopBack jede bez > probl?m?. Tak je asi n?jak? divn? to AUI. Nejsou tam t?eba HCT hradla? BC547 tranzistory? Cl< > > Radek > > > -- > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From clock at twibright.com Sun Dec 7 20:47:08 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sun Dec 7 20:47:21 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: =?iso-8859-2?q?Probl=E9m_se_stavbou_Ronjy?= In-Reply-To: ; from radek.vanhara@raz-dva.cz on Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 09:06:16PM +0100 References: <20031207185313.A1707@beton.cybernet.src> <20031207194027.A1874@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031207214708.B2081@beton.cybernet.src> On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 09:06:16PM +0100, Radek Vanhara wrote: > > > > > Tak je asi n?jak? divn? to AUI. Nejsou tam t?eba HCT hradla? BC547 > > tranzistory? > > > > Cl< > >> > >> Radek > >> > >> > >> -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: > >> http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > > V?echna hradla jsou HC. Tak jako ve sch?mat... Ale tranzistory jsou BC548. > Je to na z?vad?? V?dy? paramtricky jsou velmi podobn?. Ano. http://ronja.twibright.com/aui/material.php: "Not BC547 or similar!" Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 9 11:22:50 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 9 11:24:11 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz> <002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366> <20031207182549.D1583@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <004101c3be46$c7cb8d60$0101a8c0@cz> Karle klid... Ja to beru trochu jinak...schema TX a RX jsou volne. Media konvertor zatim ne. Proto se tu bavim jen o TX a RX, ktere muze byt stejne nebo podobne jako Ronja laser/ Ronja 100Mbps. Pripadne problemy jednoho se daji vyresit z druheho projektu....myslim, ze oba by se meli doplnovat. Jestli chces schema toho TX co je na fotce, jukni sem: http://woptic.czfree.net/download/laser_transmitter/Laser%20Transmitter%20v1.8.1.gif A RX: http://woptic.czfree.net/download/receiver/Receiver%201.8.gif Ja si myslim, proc hledat nove reseni, kdyz uz existuje. Martin -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > dik moc LG > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: -=RYS=- > > To: Twibright Ronja > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:04 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > > > > Tak jsem poresil 100Mbps pro Crusader a myslim, ze podobne to bude i u 100Mbps Ronja. > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/100Mbps_TXCrusader.jpg > > A ty se uz prestan vytahovat s tema svejma proprietarnima produktama na mailing > listu od open source projektu. Myslim ze kdyz k tomu nedas zdrojak tak je to > tady mistnim platny jak mrtvymu zimnik a stejne se muzeme dusevne osvezovat > treba na P.R. strankach fSONA, Canobeam a podobne. > > To je asi tak jako by psal Bill Gates do linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org podivejte > co sme do XP-cek zavedli za super skvely novy cool featury. > > Cl< > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Dec 9 11:24:32 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Dec 9 11:24:46 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <002601c3be45$cb16dd40$0101a8c0@cz> References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz> <002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366> <002601c3be45$cb16dd40$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200312091224.32300.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne ?t 9. prosince 2003 12:15 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > Prijmac se resi, je treba ukovat dolni propust cca 80MHz protoze pri > 100Mbps je modulace 63MHz. Dale se musi poresit fotodioda. > Chci zkusit PDB-C102 , ta umi 100Mbps ,ale chce predpeti 20V....takze jeste > resim menic (mimochodem stoji cca 460,-) . PDFko te diody je tady: ?? Proc? Vzdyt na tak proudove nenarocnou vec jako je predpeti fotodiody by stacil nejaky spinac rizeny prakticky libovolnym kmitocem, ktery se v konstrukci uz vyskytuje, plus mala tlumivka zvolena podle kmitoctu, filtr a zener - vsechno max za 50 k?. Jakub > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/pdb-c102.pdf Lada s > Dargosem rikaj, ze je v pacu jeste jedna lavinova dioda...prej je 150x > citlivejsi nez SFH2030, takze by to bylo jeste zajimavejsi. Jenze 2 minusy: > - cena je cca 2300,- > - potrebuje predpeti 200V > > -=RYS=- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jaroslav Jahoda > To: Twibright Ronja > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > Zdar pls, > ten nevej prijimac ma opravdu 100Mbps? > jake sou naklady na stavbu? > uz je hotovej tp interface? > co prijimac? > > dik moc LG > ----- Original Message ----- > From: -=RYS=- > To: Twibright Ronja > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:04 PM > Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > Tak jsem poresil 100Mbps pro Crusader a myslim, ze podobne to bude i u > 100Mbps Ronja. > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/100Mbps_TXCrusader.jpg > > > -=RYS=- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 9 12:01:01 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 9 12:02:28 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz> <002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366> <002601c3be45$cb16dd40$0101a8c0@cz> <200312091224.32300.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <017301c3be4c$1d5668e0$0101a8c0@cz> To mas vlastne pravdu.... odber je radove mikroampery, hod do pacu nejake zhruba schema. Me osobne napadlo udelat oscik z NE555 a pres kondiky a diody to vynasobit a usmernit (vyhladit). Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > Dne ?t 9. prosince 2003 12:15 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > Prijmac se resi, je treba ukovat dolni propust cca 80MHz protoze pri > > 100Mbps je modulace 63MHz. Dale se musi poresit fotodioda. > > Chci zkusit PDB-C102 , ta umi 100Mbps ,ale chce predpeti 20V....takze jeste > > resim menic (mimochodem stoji cca 460,-) . PDFko te diody je tady: > ?? Proc? > Vzdyt na tak proudove nenarocnou vec jako je predpeti fotodiody by stacil > nejaky spinac rizeny prakticky libovolnym kmitocem, ktery se v konstrukci uz > vyskytuje, plus mala tlumivka zvolena podle kmitoctu, filtr a zener - vsechno > max za 50 k?. > Jakub > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/pdb-c102.pdf Lada s > > Dargosem rikaj, ze je v pacu jeste jedna lavinova dioda...prej je 150x > > citlivejsi nez SFH2030, takze by to bylo jeste zajimavejsi. Jenze 2 minusy: > > - cena je cca 2300,- > > - potrebuje predpeti 200V > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jaroslav Jahoda > > To: Twibright Ronja > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > > > > Zdar pls, > > ten nevej prijimac ma opravdu 100Mbps? > > jake sou naklady na stavbu? > > uz je hotovej tp interface? > > co prijimac? > > > > dik moc LG > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: -=RYS=- > > To: Twibright Ronja > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:04 PM > > Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > > > > Tak jsem poresil 100Mbps pro Crusader a myslim, ze podobne to bude i u > > 100Mbps Ronja. > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/100Mbps_TXCrusader.jpg > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >--- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 12:22:41 2003 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Tue Dec 9 12:22:49 2003 Subject: [Ronja] what's the point'.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031209122241.37310.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Ronja versus Crussader.. what the point? one is free and is good choise for all of us.. and second isn't.. i don't think Crussader should be discus here.. i hate half pictures and these kind..100Mbps it's for his, not for us.. If he joined Clock team, all sources should be free (.sch..all)..and this is an international forum where people want 2 see something real, not half pictures and trhose links.;).. I think, in my opinion, Crussader disscus should be closed on Ronja forum.. When he's ready 2 join us.. until then..OUT!!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 9 12:49:47 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 9 12:49:54 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <004101c3be46$c7cb8d60$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 12:22:50PM +0100 References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz> <002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366> <20031207182549.D1583@beton.cybernet.src> <004101c3be46$c7cb8d60$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 12:22:50PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Karle klid... > Ja to beru trochu jinak...schema TX a RX jsou volne. A kde jsou k dispozici? > Media konvertor zatim ne. > Proto se tu bavim jen o TX a RX, ktere muze byt stejne nebo podobne jako > Ronja laser/ Ronja 100Mbps. > Pripadne problemy jednoho se daji vyresit z druheho projektu....myslim, ze > oba by se meli doplnovat. Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? Cl< > Jestli chces schema toho TX co je na fotce, jukni sem: > http://woptic.czfree.net/download/laser_transmitter/Laser%20Transmitter%20v1.8.1.gif > A RX: > http://woptic.czfree.net/download/receiver/Receiver%201.8.gif > > Ja si myslim, proc hledat nove reseni, kdyz uz existuje. Pro Ronju je potreba reseni ktere je z co nejsehnatelnejsich soucastek. Existuji 2 extremy: 1) levny vyvoj, drahe a obtizne postavitelne zarizeni - Crusader. 2) obtizny vyvoj, levne a snadno postavitelne zarizeni - Ronja Vzhledem k tomu, ze vyvoj se dela jednou, ale stavba zarizeni nescislnekrat, je podle me lepsi varianta 2). Je to jako pri programovani - program se pise jen jednou ale pouziva milionkrat, takze je lepsi to zoptimalizovat, nez aby si kazdy z tech milionu uzivatelu musel koupit rychlejsi pocitac jenom proto, ze navrhar toho softu byl linej to udelat poradne. Cl< > Martin -=RYS=- From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Dec 9 12:52:26 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Dec 9 12:52:44 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <017301c3be4c$1d5668e0$0101a8c0@cz> References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz> <200312091224.32300.ladmanj@volny.cz> <017301c3be4c$1d5668e0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200312091352.26259.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne ?t 9. prosince 2003 13:01 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > To mas vlastne pravdu.... odber je radove mikroampery, hod do pacu nejake > zhruba schema. > Me osobne napadlo udelat oscik z NE555 a pres kondiky a diody to vynasobit > a usmernit (vyhladit). No ikdyz si myslim ze je to zbytecne kreslit (je to obecny BOOST-CONVERTER) neco nacmaru. Zatim jen to, ze pouzivat dalsi oscilator je zbytecne a navic kdyz bude ruseni menicem produkovane na stejnem kmitoctu a ve fazi s daty bude to delat mnohem mensi neplechu. VCC o---+---~~~~~--+--|>|--+----+---~~~~~-+--o | + L1 |C D1 |+ | L2 | === o--|< === |_|_ --- --- C1 B |E C2 --- / \ D2 --- C3 | | | --- | GND | | | | | o---+----------+-------+----+---------+--o L1 volit tak aby pri jmenovitem proudu (do zateze) mela jeste takovou indukcnost aby po dobu sepnuti tranzistoru proud rostl pouze tak, jakou potrebujeme v indukcnosti nashromazdit energii.(plus minus, zbytek pozere zenerka ale neprehnat to aby se L1 nepresycovala) C1 nejaky kvalitni hoooodne blizko L1. L2 C3 je filtr spinaciho kmitoctu. D1 rychla tak 200V. Tranzistor by taky mel tech aspon 200V na CE vydrzet a hlavne je ho potreba spinat a rozpinat rychle jinak bude palit energii. Co k tomu jeste chces vedet? Jakub > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jakub Ladman" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > Dne ?t 9. prosince 2003 12:15 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > Prijmac se resi, je treba ukovat dolni propust cca 80MHz protoze pri > > > 100Mbps je modulace 63MHz. Dale se musi poresit fotodioda. > > > Chci zkusit PDB-C102 , ta umi 100Mbps ,ale chce predpeti 20V....takze > > jeste > > > > resim menic (mimochodem stoji cca 460,-) . PDFko te diody je tady: > > > > ?? Proc? > > Vzdyt na tak proudove nenarocnou vec jako je predpeti fotodiody by stacil > > nejaky spinac rizeny prakticky libovolnym kmitocem, ktery se v konstrukci > > uz > > > vyskytuje, plus mala tlumivka zvolena podle kmitoctu, filtr a zener - > > vsechno > > > max za 50 k?. > > Jakub > > > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/pdb-c102.pdf Lada s > > > Dargosem rikaj, ze je v pacu jeste jedna lavinova dioda...prej je 150x > > > citlivejsi nez SFH2030, takze by to bylo jeste zajimavejsi. Jenze 2 > > minusy: > > > - cena je cca 2300,- > > > - potrebuje predpeti 200V > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jaroslav Jahoda > > > To: Twibright Ronja > > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:24 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > > > > > > > Zdar pls, > > > ten nevej prijimac ma opravdu 100Mbps? > > > jake sou naklady na stavbu? > > > uz je hotovej tp interface? > > > co prijimac? > > > > > > dik moc LG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: -=RYS=- > > > To: Twibright Ronja > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:04 PM > > > Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > > > > > > > Tak jsem poresil 100Mbps pro Crusader a myslim, ze podobne to bude > > > i > > u > > > > 100Mbps Ronja. > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/100Mbps_TXCrusader.jpg > > > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- > > - > > > >- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- > > - > > > >--- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 9 15:35:39 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:37:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz> <002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366> <20031207182549.D1583@beton.cybernet.src> <004101c3be46$c7cb8d60$0101a8c0@cz> <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000a01c3be6a$19ad3b60$0101a8c0@cz> Dobra..uz nebudu prispivat. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 12:22:50PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Karle klid... > > Ja to beru trochu jinak...schema TX a RX jsou volne. > > A kde jsou k dispozici? > > > Media konvertor zatim ne. > > Proto se tu bavim jen o TX a RX, ktere muze byt stejne nebo podobne jako > > Ronja laser/ Ronja 100Mbps. > > Pripadne problemy jednoho se daji vyresit z druheho projektu....myslim, ze > > oba by se meli doplnovat. > > Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? > Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? > > Cl< > > > Jestli chces schema toho TX co je na fotce, jukni sem: > > http://woptic.czfree.net/download/laser_transmitter/Laser%20Transmitter%20v1.8.1.gif > > A RX: > > http://woptic.czfree.net/download/receiver/Receiver%201.8.gif > > > > Ja si myslim, proc hledat nove reseni, kdyz uz existuje. > > Pro Ronju je potreba reseni ktere je z co nejsehnatelnejsich soucastek. Existuji > 2 extremy: > > 1) levny vyvoj, drahe a obtizne postavitelne zarizeni - Crusader. > 2) obtizny vyvoj, levne a snadno postavitelne zarizeni - Ronja > > Vzhledem k tomu, ze vyvoj se dela jednou, ale stavba zarizeni nescislnekrat, je podle > me lepsi varianta 2). Je to jako pri programovani - program se pise jen jednou ale > pouziva milionkrat, takze je lepsi to zoptimalizovat, nez aby si kazdy z tech milionu > uzivatelu musel koupit rychlejsi pocitac jenom proto, ze navrhar toho softu byl linej > to udelat poradne. > > Cl< > > > Martin -=RYS=- > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From schum at seznam.cz Tue Dec 9 15:40:06 2003 From: schum at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?schumann=20miroslav?=) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:40:17 2003 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A=20=5BRonja=5D=20100Mbps?= In-Reply-To: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz> > Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? > Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? > > Cl< Zdravim obvody od MAXima nekdy i v kusovem mnozstvi se daj koupit u www.spezial.cz schum ____________________________________________________________ PROJEDTE ZIMOU V POHODE - SkodaFabia se zimn?m paketem Bernardyn s vybavou v hodnote 50 000 Kc! http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=67112%26url=http://www.skoda-auto.cz/action/FabiaBernardyn/ From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 9 15:39:07 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:40:28 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz> <200312091224.32300.ladmanj@volny.cz> <017301c3be4c$1d5668e0$0101a8c0@cz> <200312091352.26259.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <003501c3be6a$954bf5e0$0101a8c0@cz> Jakube..to schema se trochu pooo... Muz te pozadat jestli to muzes namalovat ....treba v malovani co je ve WIN a poslat mi to na cd930@centrum.cz ? Diky moc... Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jakub Ladman" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > Dne ?t 9. prosince 2003 13:01 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > To mas vlastne pravdu.... odber je radove mikroampery, hod do pacu nejake > > zhruba schema. > > Me osobne napadlo udelat oscik z NE555 a pres kondiky a diody to vynasobit > > a usmernit (vyhladit). > No ikdyz si myslim ze je to zbytecne kreslit (je to obecny BOOST-CONVERTER) > neco nacmaru. > Zatim jen to, ze pouzivat dalsi oscilator je zbytecne a navic kdyz bude ruseni > menicem produkovane na stejnem kmitoctu a ve fazi s daty bude to delat mnohem > mensi neplechu. > > VCC > o---+---~~~~~--+--|>|--+----+---~~~~~-+--o > | + L1 |C D1 |+ | L2 | > === o--|< === |_|_ --- > --- C1 B |E C2 --- / \ D2 --- C3 > | | | --- | > GND | | | | | > o---+----------+-------+----+---------+--o > > L1 volit tak aby pri jmenovitem proudu (do zateze) mela jeste takovou > indukcnost aby po dobu sepnuti tranzistoru proud rostl pouze tak, jakou > potrebujeme v indukcnosti nashromazdit energii.(plus minus, zbytek pozere > zenerka ale neprehnat to aby se L1 nepresycovala) > C1 nejaky kvalitni hoooodne blizko L1. L2 C3 je filtr spinaciho kmitoctu. > D1 rychla tak 200V. > Tranzistor by taky mel tech aspon 200V na CE vydrzet a hlavne je ho potreba > spinat a rozpinat rychle jinak bude palit energii. > > Co k tomu jeste chces vedet? > Jakub > > > Martin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jakub Ladman" > > To: "Twibright Ronja" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > > > Dne ?t 9. prosince 2003 12:15 -=RYS=- napsal(a): > > > > Prijmac se resi, je treba ukovat dolni propust cca 80MHz protoze pri > > > > 100Mbps je modulace 63MHz. Dale se musi poresit fotodioda. > > > > Chci zkusit PDB-C102 , ta umi 100Mbps ,ale chce predpeti 20V....takze > > > > jeste > > > > > > resim menic (mimochodem stoji cca 460,-) . PDFko te diody je tady: > > > > > > ?? Proc? > > > Vzdyt na tak proudove nenarocnou vec jako je predpeti fotodiody by stacil > > > nejaky spinac rizeny prakticky libovolnym kmitocem, ktery se v konstrukci > > > > uz > > > > > vyskytuje, plus mala tlumivka zvolena podle kmitoctu, filtr a zener - > > > > vsechno > > > > > max za 50 k?. > > > Jakub > > > > > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/pdb-c102.pdf Lada s > > > > Dargosem rikaj, ze je v pacu jeste jedna lavinova dioda...prej je 150x > > > > citlivejsi nez SFH2030, takze by to bylo jeste zajimavejsi. Jenze 2 > > > > minusy: > > > > - cena je cca 2300,- > > > > - potrebuje predpeti 200V > > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Jaroslav Jahoda > > > > To: Twibright Ronja > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:24 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > > > > > > > > > > Zdar pls, > > > > ten nevej prijimac ma opravdu 100Mbps? > > > > jake sou naklady na stavbu? > > > > uz je hotovej tp interface? > > > > co prijimac? > > > > > > > > dik moc LG > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: -=RYS=- > > > > To: Twibright Ronja > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:04 PM > > > > Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > > > > > > > > > > Tak jsem poresil 100Mbps pro Crusader a myslim, ze podobne to bude > > > > i > > > > u > > > > > > 100Mbps Ronja. > > > > http://www.elhamobil.cz/optika/foto/rys/crusader/100Mbps_TXCrusader.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > -=RYS=- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- > > > > - > > > > > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- > > > > - > > > > > >--- > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ronja mailing list > > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ronja mailing list > > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 9 15:43:23 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:43:28 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz>; from schum@seznam.cz on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:40:06PM +0100 References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src> <92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:40:06PM +0100, schumann miroslav wrote: > > > Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? > > Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? > > > > Cl< > > > Zdravim > obvody od MAXima nekdy i v kusovem mnozstvi se daj koupit u www.spezial.cz http://www.spezial.cz/products.html "Nas sortiment vyrobcu" MAXIM tam uveden neni Nejaky dukaz ze se tam daji koupit? A patri mezi ty zakoupitelne maxy i 3964 a 3263? Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Dec 9 15:48:18 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (cipis) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:46:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz><002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366><20031207182549.D1583@beton.cybernet.src><004101c3be46$c7cb8d60$0101a8c0@cz><20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src> <000a01c3be6a$19ad3b60$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <001f01c3be6b$ddca32e0$f601a8c0@reginet> Hej, nechce te se nahodou oba trochu uklidnit? Osobne si myslim, ze to musi byt nekde mezi > 1) levny vyvoj, drahe a obtizne postavitelne zarizeni - Crusader. > 2) obtizny vyvoj, levne a snadno postavitelne zarizeni - Ronja nekdo si to radsi postavi sam, nekdo radsi priplati. Proc teda nevyuzit zkusenosti a spolupracovat? Misto rejpani do sebe? ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps Dobra..uz nebudu prispivat. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 12:22:50PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Karle klid... > > Ja to beru trochu jinak...schema TX a RX jsou volne. > > A kde jsou k dispozici? > > > Media konvertor zatim ne. > > Proto se tu bavim jen o TX a RX, ktere muze byt stejne nebo podobne jako > > Ronja laser/ Ronja 100Mbps. > > Pripadne problemy jednoho se daji vyresit z druheho projektu....myslim, ze > > oba by se meli doplnovat. > > Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? > Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? > > Cl< > > > Jestli chces schema toho TX co je na fotce, jukni sem: > > http://woptic.czfree.net/download/laser_transmitter/Laser%20Transmitter%20v1.8.1.gif > > A RX: > > http://woptic.czfree.net/download/receiver/Receiver%201.8.gif > > > > Ja si myslim, proc hledat nove reseni, kdyz uz existuje. > > Pro Ronju je potreba reseni ktere je z co nejsehnatelnejsich soucastek. Existuji > 2 extremy: > > 1) levny vyvoj, drahe a obtizne postavitelne zarizeni - Crusader. > 2) obtizny vyvoj, levne a snadno postavitelne zarizeni - Ronja > > Vzhledem k tomu, ze vyvoj se dela jednou, ale stavba zarizeni nescislnekrat, je podle > me lepsi varianta 2). Je to jako pri programovani - program se pise jen jednou ale > pouziva milionkrat, takze je lepsi to zoptimalizovat, nez aby si kazdy z tech milionu > uzivatelu musel koupit rychlejsi pocitac jenom proto, ze navrhar toho softu byl linej > to udelat poradne. > > Cl< > > > Martin -=RYS=- > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 9 16:01:09 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 9 16:01:12 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <001f01c3be6b$ddca32e0$f601a8c0@reginet>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:48:18PM +0100 References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz><002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366><20031207182549.D1583@beton.cybernet.src><004101c3be46$c7cb8d60$0101a8c0@cz><20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src> <000a01c3be6a$19ad3b60$0101a8c0@cz> <001f01c3be6b$ddca32e0$f601a8c0@reginet> Message-ID: <20031209170109.A723@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:48:18PM +0100, cipis wrote: > Hej, nechce te se nahodou oba trochu uklidnit? > > Osobne si myslim, ze to musi byt nekde mezi > > > 1) levny vyvoj, drahe a obtizne postavitelne zarizeni - Crusader. > > 2) obtizny vyvoj, levne a snadno postavitelne zarizeni - Ronja > > nekdo si to radsi postavi sam, nekdo radsi priplati. Produktem projektu Ronja je GPL navrh, nikoliv konkretni vyrobek. V okamziku, kdy je GPL navrh uverejnen, jiz neni treba nic priplacet. Je zadarmo. Cl< From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Dec 9 16:21:02 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (cipis) Date: Tue Dec 9 16:19:40 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz><002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366><20031207182549.D1583@beton.cybernet.src><004101c3be46$c7cb8d60$0101a8c0@cz><20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><000a01c3be6a$19ad3b60$0101a8c0@cz><001f01c3be6b$ddca32e0$f601a8c0@reginet> <20031209170109.A723@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <003501c3be70$7089cec0$f601a8c0@reginet> To jo, to je jasn?. Akor?t z RYSa to leze jak z chlupat? deky, kdyz to zverejn? casem vsechno, tak prece nen? probl?m si vybrat "n?vod", podle kter?ho to udel?m. Jestli budu sh?net souc?stky pul roku nebo je najdu za rohem, je uz jinej probl?m. Kdyz prece neco vymysl?m z pr?serne drah?ch a nedostupn?ch souc?stek a zverejn?m to pod GPL, tak je to taky to sam? GPL. Akor?t tak nejak pozoruje, ze lid? neco vemou (i pod GPL), neco s t?m udelaj?, ale uz nic neuverejn?. Nejak jim je tezko predat hodiny svoj? pr?ce zase dals?m a zapom?naj?, ze vysli z mnoha hodin pr?ce nekoho jin?ho. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:48:18PM +0100, cipis wrote: > > Hej, nechce te se nahodou oba trochu uklidnit? > > > > Osobne si myslim, ze to musi byt nekde mezi > > > > > 1) levny vyvoj, drahe a obtizne postavitelne zarizeni - Crusader. > > > 2) obtizny vyvoj, levne a snadno postavitelne zarizeni - Ronja > > > > nekdo si to radsi postavi sam, nekdo radsi priplati. > > Produktem projektu Ronja je GPL navrh, nikoliv konkretni vyrobek. > V okamziku, kdy je GPL navrh uverejnen, jiz neni treba nic priplacet. > Je zadarmo. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz Tue Dec 9 16:22:32 2003 From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (cipis) Date: Tue Dec 9 16:21:07 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz><002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366><20031207182549.D1583@beton.cybernet.src><004101c3be46$c7cb8d60$0101a8c0@cz><20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><000a01c3be6a$19ad3b60$0101a8c0@cz><001f01c3be6b$ddca32e0$f601a8c0@reginet><20031209170109.A723@beton.cybernet.src> <003501c3be70$7089cec0$f601a8c0@reginet> Message-ID: <003b01c3be70$a5e70060$f601a8c0@reginet> oops, to nebyla na nikoho narazka, jen jsem trochu prehnal prirovnani Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "cipis" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps To jo, to je jasn?. Akor?t z RYSa to leze jak z chlupat? deky, kdyz to zverejn? casem vsechno, tak prece nen? probl?m si vybrat "n?vod", podle kter?ho to udel?m. Jestli budu sh?net souc?stky pul roku nebo je najdu za rohem, je uz jinej probl?m. Kdyz prece neco vymysl?m z pr?serne drah?ch a nedostupn?ch souc?stek a zverejn?m to pod GPL, tak je to taky to sam? GPL. Akor?t tak nejak pozoruje, ze lid? neco vemou (i pod GPL), neco s t?m udelaj?, ale uz nic neuverejn?. Nejak jim je tezko predat hodiny svoj? pr?ce zase dals?m a zapom?naj?, ze vysli z mnoha hodin pr?ce nekoho jin?ho. Cipis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:48:18PM +0100, cipis wrote: > > Hej, nechce te se nahodou oba trochu uklidnit? > > > > Osobne si myslim, ze to musi byt nekde mezi > > > > > 1) levny vyvoj, drahe a obtizne postavitelne zarizeni - Crusader. > > > 2) obtizny vyvoj, levne a snadno postavitelne zarizeni - Ronja > > > > nekdo si to radsi postavi sam, nekdo radsi priplati. > > Produktem projektu Ronja je GPL navrh, nikoliv konkretni vyrobek. > V okamziku, kdy je GPL navrh uverejnen, jiz neni treba nic priplacet. > Je zadarmo. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 9 16:28:13 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 9 16:28:16 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <003501c3be70$7089cec0$f601a8c0@reginet>; from petr.cipis@tiscali.cz on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 05:21:02PM +0100 References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz><002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366><20031207182549.D1583@beton.cybernet.src><004101c3be46$c7cb8d60$0101a8c0@cz><20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><000a01c3be6a$19ad3b60$0101a8c0@cz><001f01c3be6b$ddca32e0$f601a8c0@reginet> <20031209170109.A723@beton.cybernet.src> <003501c3be70$7089cec0$f601a8c0@reginet> Message-ID: <20031209172813.A748@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 05:21:02PM +0100, cipis wrote: > To jo, to je jasn?. > > Akor?t z RYSa to leze jak z chlupat? deky, kdyz to zverejn? casem vsechno, > tak prece nen? probl?m si vybrat "n?vod", podle kter?ho to udel?m. > > Jestli budu sh?net souc?stky pul roku nebo je najdu za rohem, je uz jinej > probl?m. > Kdyz prece neco vymysl?m z pr?serne drah?ch a nedostupn?ch souc?stek a > zverejn?m to pod GPL, > tak je to taky to sam? GPL. Jo to je. Ale zatim to Rysovo neni ani pod tim GPL. On to hlavne ani neni navod jak si postavit pojitko, ani navod, jak si postavit elektroniku do pojitka - pokud ano, at mi RyS da URL a ja zkusim dotycnou HTML stranku zparsovat jako navod v ceskem nebo anglickem jazyce a vratim prislusny parse error :) Ronja (http://ronja/twibright.com/metropolis/) se AFAIK jako executable in human language spustit da - pokud nekomu pise jeho mozek parse error nebo segmentation fault, at to tady obratem nahlasi :) > Akor?t tak nejak pozoruje, ze lid? neco vemou (i pod GPL), neco s t?m > udelaj?, ale uz nic neuverejn?. Ano, toho jsem si take vsiml. Delaji to temer vsichni - je treba se proti tomu obrnit nejakym systemem pasivni rezistence. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Dec 9 16:38:04 2003 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Dec 9 16:38:13 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Vysoke napeti Message-ID: <3FD6087C.24087.28E510@localhost> Kdyz uz si chcete mermomoci hrat s vysokym napetim, tak zvazte pouziti obvodu MC34063 (GES). Kdyz se necha bezet na 100kHz a na vystup priojite dvojity LC clanek, tak dostanete zvlneni radu max. mV. Masochyste pouziji TL497. From ladmanj at volny.cz Tue Dec 9 17:00:38 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Tue Dec 9 17:00:53 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src> <92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz> <20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200312091800.38718.ladmanj@volny.cz> Jak je to s temi konkretnimi typy nevim, ale spezial dodava hlavne maximy. Dne ?t 9. prosince 2003 16:43 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:40:06PM +0100, schumann miroslav wrote: > > > Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? > > > Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? > > > > > > Cl< > > > > Zdravim > > obvody od MAXima nekdy i v kusovem mnozstvi se daj koupit u > > www.spezial.cz > > http://www.spezial.cz/products.html > "Nas sortiment vyrobcu" > MAXIM tam uveden neni > Nejaky dukaz ze se tam daji koupit? A patri mezi ty zakoupitelne maxy > i 3964 a 3263? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From simandl at mujmail.cz Tue Dec 9 17:59:32 2003 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Tue Dec 9 17:58:45 2003 Subject: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja Message-ID: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, koukn?te na http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm je to o elektronice. Na mechaniku se Martin pr?v? te? chyst?. T?eba to n?komu pom??e. Pepa se o t?ch jeho plo???c?ch vyj?d?il ?e si s nima "m??e d?lat kdo chce co chce". hezk? den Hi, please look at page above. There is an overview of our ronja electronics. Mechanics is in progress. Pepa (the UTP pcb author) said it "can be used by anyone for any purpose". have a nice day From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 9 18:21:15 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 9 18:21:33 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Vyvoj In-Reply-To: <3FD6087C.14758.28E654@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 05:38:04PM +0100 References: <3FD6087C.14758.28E654@localhost> Message-ID: <20031209192115.B866@beton.cybernet.src> > Tady souhlasim s obtiznosti vyvoje. Sam jsem si pri pokusech vylepsit to > nabehl na hrabe hned nekolikrat. Levne postavitelne to taky neni: material > aktualne prijde zhruba na 4000Kc jeden spoj + asi 100 a vice hodin prace a ta > se sakra pocita. Ano, materi?l v?etn? mechaniky, barev, tmel?, kabel??e, optiky, elektroniky a dal??ch drobnost? u Ronji skute?n? p?ijde zhruba na 4000 K? za spoj. Kolik p?ijde materi?l na spoj Crusadera? Pr?ce na Ronje se zredukuje zaveden?m plo?n?ch spoj?. > > >nekdo si to radsi postavi sam, nekdo radsi priplati. > > No otazka je kolik si priplatit, aby se to vyplatilo. Za 40000Kc se necha > poridit nejmene 5 kousku bezdratove techniky Buffalo 54Mbit. Jedine vyhody > point to point optickych systemu jsou velmi nizka latence, zanetbatelny > packetloss a schopnost ustat vysoke zatizeni. Dalsi zalezitost je, kdo to > zadarmo vyvine. Clock uz zjistil, ze: "Vsechna slava polni trava." a nadseni > ze neni vecne. V?voj na Ronje pokra?uje. Moment?ln? se pracuje na TP interfacu. Iniciativ? se meze nekladou. Zat?m nejv?razn?j?? p??sp?vek byla z?ejm? revize p?ij?ma?e od M??gy ale pokud n?kdo navrhne n?co co bude vhodn? k za?len?n? do Ronji, m??e se to tam za?adit. Jsou i jin? prozai?t?j?? ?koly - t?eba p?eklad anglick?ho n?vodu do ?e?tiny. Kdosi na czfree f?ru se holedbal ?e to ud?l? a skutek utek. > > >Proc teda nevyuzit zkusenosti a spolupracovat? Tady v Twibright Labs se na v?voji TP moment?ln? spolupracuje a zku?enosti se takt?? vyu??vaj? :) > >Misto rejpani do sebe? > > Jeden pokus uz tu byl a jak to dopadlo je k dohledani na foru czfreenetu. > Clock prskal jak krecek a po kratke meditaci se k tomu vyjadril na > http://ronja.advel.cz/sponsors.php. Ano. Deu m?l pln? ?sta sladk?ch ?e?? o tom jak komunita vyu?ije Ronju a ?e "jenom" je pot?eba aby se p?ipravila na masovou v?robu. ?e sou??st? toho bude, ?e Deu, kter? s t?m m?l t?den zku?enosti, bude kecat do v?voje mn?, kter? s t?m m?l v tu dobu nem?l?m-li se 4.5 roku zku?enost?, a ?e v?sledek toho kec?n? bude ozna?ovat za Ronju, nezve?ejn? od n?j zdroj?ky a pou?ije p?i marketingu nepravdiv? tvrzen?, sou??st? p?edm?tn?ch sladk?ch ?e?? ji? nebylo. Pamatuju si dob?e, jak jsme se j?, Deu a jboh?? tehdy na And?u beh?m asi dvou hodin dohodli, jak bude Ronja pro komer?n? v?robu vypadat. Dr??ky m?ly z?stat z Ronji. Na?e? vyroben? prototyp m?l bez jak?koliv domluvy se mnou dr??ky od Rakerihooa. Kdy? jsem se na n? pod?val, nabyl jsem p?esv?d?en?, ?e p?edstavuj? riziko. Nech?pu p?esn? jak? du?evn? pochody Deuho k takov?mu jedn?n? vedly, ale v?m p?esn?, jak? obecn? filosofick? princip ho k tomu vedl. Nezb?valo ne? zavolat exit(-1); V?ci je nutno d?lat tak, jak v?me, ?e jsou dob?e. Tak funguje vesm?r a je to i princip v?ech n?bo?enstv?. ?lov?k m? jak?si syscall _sys_good(unsigned char ** answer, unsigned char *question), kter? kdy? zavol?, tak mu vr?t? odpov??, co je dob?e. Jak ten syscall funguje nev?m a mysl?m ?e to nev? nikdo nebo t?m?? nikdo. Dle m?ho n?zoru je smyslem v?ech n?bo?enstv? lidi p?esv?d?it, ?e ten syscall je BugFree(TM). Nikomu ten syscall je?t? ?patn? v?sledek nevr?til, na tom je ve?ker? v?ra zalo?ena. J? v bezchybnost toho syscallu v???m a hodl?m podle n?j tak? Ronju navrhovat. Pokud nev?te o ?em mluv?m, zeptejte se sami sebe, jestli je dobr? zab?t n?jak?ho jin?ho ?lov?ka. Pak si zp?tn? vytrasujte kter? syscally jste p?itom zavolali a jeden z nich je u velk?ho mno?stv? lid? _sys_good(). _sys_good m? ale vlastnost: funguje pouze na jedn? koleji, kterou s?m p?edepisuje. Pokud ?lov? z koleje sj??d?, _sys_good ob?as vr?t? NULL. A ??m v?c se ?lov?k z koleje vzdaluje, t?m ?ast?ji vrac? NULL. Proto nen? dobr? _sys_good() neposlechnout a proto tak? je t?eba _sys_good() volat co nej?ast?ji, abychom n?hodou n?jakou odpov?? neprome?kali. V ?e?i teorie chaosu _sys_good() m??eme ozna?it za atraktor. Je velice komplikovan? a neuposlechnut? _sys_good() pak odpov?d? perturbaci na?eho chaotick?ho syst?mu. Ale sledov?n? atraktoru je jednoduch? - jen sta?? se koukat jak sm??uj? ?ipe?ky onoho komplikovan?ho vektorov?ho pole a j?t po jejich sm?ru... Neohl??et se, nekoukat se do strany, je t?eba slep? n?sledovat... Zp?t k m? historii. L??a Mysl?k m?l pln? ?sta sladk?ch ?e?? o tom, jak by cht?l spolupracovat na Ronje, a pak se z toho vyvinulo, ?e pouze posb?ral moudra z projektu Ronja a zalo?il si vlastn?, komer?n?, propriet?rn?, uzav?en? projekt Crusader. Deu, carlos a dal?? v?dci czfree m?li pln? ?sta sladk?ch ?e?? o tom jak czfree bude projekt neziskov? free s?t? a nakonec se to vyvinulo tak, ?e kdy? jsem se do czfree cht?l p?ipojit j?, byla ode mn? po?adov?na platba v ??dek stovek m?s??n? v z?voslosti na rychlosti p?ipojen?. P?i reklamaci czfree nezjistilo ??dnou z?vadu -> nam?sto neziskov? free s?t? se z czfree stala prachsprost? generick? s?? kde si ka?d? m??e podnikat libovoln?mi metodami a ?e?i o free jsou pouze marketingov?m l?kadlem aby s?? alespo? z pohledu ment?ln? nekompetentn?ch osob vynikala n???m nad ostatn? komer?n? s?t? v?ech provider? a r?doby-provider?. Skute?n? nen? ?eho litovat v kauze czfree. Projekt Ronja pokra?uje d?l sv?ma vyjet?ma kolejema (po highwayi ??slo jedna). Pokud mu dojde palivo v podob? v?voj???, dojde mu palivo. Na sv?t? jsou hromady probl?m?, kter? nejsou uspokojiv? vy?e?eny. Probl?m bezdr?tov? komunikace bez arbitr?rn?ch omezen? vl?dou, marketingov?mi odd?len?mi v?robc? integrovan?ch obvod? a konzumn? elektroniky a ru?en?m zp?sobovan?m komer?n?mi subjekty je jenom jedn?m z nich. Omezen? zp?soben? p??rodou nen? arbitr?rn? a m? osobn? ??dnou du?evn? tenzi nezp?sobuje. V?m, ?e mlh bude st?le stejn? a Slunce bude sv?tit taky po??d stejn?. Zat?m je na v?voj st?le dostatek ?asu, a tak se v n?m pokra?uje. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Dec 9 20:22:12 2003 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Dec 9 20:22:18 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mnaga s.r.o. Message-ID: <3FD63D04.24992.F62262@localhost> Cl: to kodujes cestinu podle br. Kameniku nebo KOI8? Nejak ti posledne nebylo rozumet. Ne vsichni zijou na Linuxu ;-) Pro p?edstavu jedna strana Crusaderu v materialu prijde priblizne na: 2500Kc elektronika vcetne LCD displaye, 3000Kc na zakazku delana mechanika, cca 500Kc dalsi bizuterie a Lada to letuje a montuje cca 5hodin. +- Taky jako 80% Mnagy prskam jako krecek, co to Clock vyrobil z mych prispevku, jen doufam, ze to premeril. Slo o mereni RSSI a kondenzator C110. Puvodni schema RSSI je na laser.webpark.cz - Ronja a je tam vysvetleno proc tak a ne jinak. Jedine nad cim diskutovat je hodnota R123 a C116. Na vystup pak mozno pichnout LM3915, A277, piskle 4046 nebo co kdo snese. Odpor na vystupu je nutny. Co se tyce C110, tak by mel mit stejnou velikost jako C106 a musi byt fyzicky zapojen na S Q101 nebo tak, jak je momentalne ve schematu. From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 9 20:26:36 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 9 20:26:46 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mnaga s.r.o. In-Reply-To: <3FD63D04.24992.F62262@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 09:22:12PM +0100 References: <3FD63D04.24992.F62262@localhost> Message-ID: <20031209212636.A1568@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 09:22:12PM +0100, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > Cl: to kodujes cestinu podle br. Kameniku nebo KOI8? Nejak ti posledne nebylo > rozumet. Ne vsichni zijou na Linuxu ;-) ISO 8859-2. M?l jsem mail v rozporu s n?jakym RFC? Cl< > > Pro p?edstavu jedna strana Crusaderu v materialu prijde priblizne na: > 2500Kc elektronika vcetne LCD displaye, > 3000Kc na zakazku delana mechanika, > cca 500Kc dalsi bizuterie a Lada to letuje a montuje cca 5hodin. +- > > Taky jako 80% Mnagy prskam jako krecek, co to Clock vyrobil z mych prispevku, jen Z jakych prispevku? Myslis RSSI? Co se ti na nich nelibi? Cl< > doufam, ze to premeril. Slo o mereni RSSI a kondenzator C110. > Puvodni schema RSSI je na laser.webpark.cz - Ronja a je tam vysvetleno proc tak a ne > jinak. Jedine nad cim diskutovat je hodnota R123 a C116. Na vystup pak mozno > pichnout LM3915, A277, piskle 4046 nebo co kdo snese. Odpor na vystupu je nutny. > Co se tyce C110, tak by mel mit stejnou velikost jako C106 a musi byt fyzicky zapojen > na S Q101 nebo tak, jak je momentalne ve schematu. > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Dec 9 20:43:44 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Dec 9 21:03:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] What's the difference between hi- and low-integration solution In-Reply-To: <20031202211114.A1246@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031202211114.A1246@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <16115619873.20031209214344@volny.cz> Hello, I thing that it is not true. I read somewhere, that the temperature rage in military performance is bigger, then you say. But you are right, thet the 74HCxx family is cheeper solution. :-) OndraT KK> Hello KK> I'm computing temperature and tolerance margin for timing circuits and KK> came across a striking difference between ML66552-based solutions and KK> those based on discrete gates as Ronja is. KK> 74HCxx family has operating temperature range -40 to +125 degC KK> with other components taken into accounts, the range of KK> Ronja is -25 degC to +85 degC KK> ML6652 has in it's datasheet only 0 degC to +70 degC KK> When frost or summer/sunlight strikes, 0-70 range is easily exceeded. KK> On czfree there has been threads about AP/routers crashing during KK> subzero and also during summerheat temperatures. KK> Don't you somebody know what PC and AP chips/parts are specified for? I guess KK> 0...70degC. KK> I love those a-lot-of-simple-blocks-based solutions. You get a half-military KK> temperature range for 8 CZK / integrated circuit :) KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Tue Dec 9 21:04:56 2003 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Tue Dec 9 21:05:01 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mnaga s.r.o. In-Reply-To: <20031209212636.A1568@beton.cybernet.src> References: <3FD63D04.24992.F62262@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 09:22:12PM +0100 Message-ID: <3FD64708.10574.11D4452@localhost> On 9 Dec 2003 at 21:26, Karel Kulhav wrote: > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 09:22:12PM +0100, Seligr@sh.cvut.cz wrote: > > Cl: to kodujes cestinu podle br. Kameniku nebo KOI8? Nejak ti posledne nebylo > > rozumet. Ne vsichni zijou na Linuxu ;-) > > ISO 8859-2. M l jsem mail v rozporu s n jakym RFC? Se omlouvam, chyba byla na nasem primaci. IMHO stejne je lepe psat cesky. > > Taky jako 80% Mnagy prskam jako krecek, co to Clock vyrobil z mych prispevku, jen > > Z jakych prispevku? Myslis RSSI? Co se ti na nich nelibi? > Ad. RSSI: hodnoty kondenzatoru mas podlozeny nejakym vypoctem, ci merenim? Na vystupu je nutny vybijeci odpor aby casova konstanta byla mensi nez cca 100ms. Vnitrni odpor DMM je moc maly a pomaly pokles napeti znesnadnuje to zamerovani. Ad. C110: Hlavni vtip je v tom, ze kondenzatory musi byt stejne velke. Tak jimi projde pripadne ruseni na oba vstupy NE592 soucasne ve stejne velikosti a obvod typu operacniho zesilovace je odstrani. To je ona schopnost CMRR - Common Mode Rejection Ratio - cesky cinitel potlaceni souhlasneho ruseni. Zaroven je treba "zemni" nozicku C110 pripojit tak, aby se neuplatnila rusiva napeti vznikla v "zemi". Tj. pripojit primo na Source BF9xy nebo na R106, tak jak je to ted ve schematu. Vhodna velikost C106 a C110 je 1n, pac velikost 1MHz signalu je nejmin 5* vetsi nez 10MHz, takze pripadny vlozeny utlum pro 1MHz neni podstany. Mnaga > Cl< > > > doufam, ze to premeril. Slo o mereni RSSI a kondenzator C110. > > Puvodni schema RSSI je na laser.webpark.cz - Ronja a je tam vysvetleno proc tak a ne > > jinak. Jedine nad cim diskutovat je hodnota R123 a C116. Na vystup pak mozno > > pichnout LM3915, A277, piskle 4046 nebo co kdo snese. Odpor na vystupu je nutny. > > Co se tyce C110, tak by mel mit stejnou velikost jako C106 a musi byt fyzicky zapojen > > na S Q101 nebo tak, jak je momentalne ve schematu. > > From hwsoft at penguin.cz Tue Dec 9 21:15:06 2003 From: hwsoft at penguin.cz (Petr Lascak) Date: Tue Dec 9 21:15:12 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src> <92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz> <20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz> Karel Kulhav? pise: > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:40:06PM +0100, schumann miroslav wrote: > > > > > Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? > > > Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? > > > > http://www.spezial.cz/products.html Dale jeste www.hte.cz, sehnat se daji docela dobre, s MicroLinearem je to horsi. Jinak ty TZA ted beru posledni od SPOERLEho (teda jestli nebyl nekdo rychlejsi). Je pravdou ze se nektere soucastky spatne schani ale pokud se dostane navrh do produkcniho stavu, bude asi vetsi sance. Oni ani LEDky do RONJI nejsou tak snadno k sehnani. -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec From rojoc at hotmail.com Tue Dec 9 23:46:33 2003 From: rojoc at hotmail.com (Gonzalo Gil) Date: Tue Dec 9 23:46:42 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Pulse width Message-ID: Hi, I'd like to make a basic question: the 111111... and 00000... sequence in 802.3 is a 20 MHz signal (pulse width of 25nsec)? Gonzalo _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bobriks at volny.cz Wed Dec 10 01:31:04 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (bobriks@volny.cz) Date: Wed Dec 10 01:31:26 2003 Subject: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja In-Reply-To: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> References: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: Skvely, Petre, gratuluju. Chodi vam Ronji na stole, nebo uz v "terenu"? Na jake vzdalenosti to je/bude? Jinak diky za (jako vzdy:) supr stranku! Standa ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Petr Simandl" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja Datum: 9.12.2003 - 18:59:06 > Ahoj, > koukn?te na > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > je to o elektronice. Na mechaniku se Martin pr?v? te? > chyst?. > T?eba to n?komu pom??e. Pepa se o t?ch jeho plo???c?ch > vyj?d?il > ?e si s nima "m??e d?lat kdo chce co chce". > hezk? den > > Hi, please look at page above. There is an overview of > our > ronja electronics. Mechanics is in progress. Pepa (the > UTP pcb > author) said it "can be used by anyone for any > purpose". > have a nice day > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Eurotel Data Nonstop - Neomezen? p??stup na internet ji? od 799 K? m?s??n?! http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesAndTariffs/specialOffer.html?list=34995 From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 06:40:41 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 06:40:44 2003 Subject: [Ronja] What's the difference between hi- and low-integration solution In-Reply-To: <16115619873.20031209214344@volny.cz>; from boza2@volny.cz on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 09:43:44PM +0100 References: <20031202211114.A1246@beton.cybernet.src> <16115619873.20031209214344@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031210074040.A211@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 09:43:44PM +0100, Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Hello, > I thing that it is not true. > I read somewhere, that the temperature rage in military performance is > bigger, then you say. You are right. I have said this on czfree forum and Lada replied he uses the extended range of ML6652. I checked the photos of Crusader and he was right. Cl< > > But you are right, thet the 74HCxx family is cheeper solution. :-) > > OndraT > > KK> Hello > > KK> I'm computing temperature and tolerance margin for timing circuits and > KK> came across a striking difference between ML66552-based solutions and > KK> those based on discrete gates as Ronja is. > > KK> 74HCxx family has operating temperature range -40 to +125 degC > KK> with other components taken into accounts, the range of > KK> Ronja is -25 degC to +85 degC > > KK> ML6652 has in it's datasheet only 0 degC to +70 degC > > KK> When frost or summer/sunlight strikes, 0-70 range is easily exceeded. > KK> On czfree there has been threads about AP/routers crashing during > KK> subzero and also during summerheat temperatures. > > KK> Don't you somebody know what PC and AP chips/parts are specified for? I guess > KK> 0...70degC. > > KK> I love those a-lot-of-simple-blocks-based solutions. You get a half-military > KK> temperature range for 8 CZK / integrated circuit :) > > KK> Cl< > > KK> _______________________________________________ > KK> Ronja mailing list > KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 07:48:59 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 07:49:03 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz>; from hwsoft@penguin.cz on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 10:15:06PM +0100 References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src> <92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz> <20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src> <20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz> Message-ID: <20031210084859.B211@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 10:15:06PM +0100, Petr Lascak wrote: > Karel Kulhav? pise: > > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:40:06PM +0100, schumann miroslav wrote: > > > > > > > Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? > > > > Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? > > > > > > http://www.spezial.cz/products.html > > Dale jeste www.hte.cz, sehnat se daji docela dobre, s MicroLinearem > je to horsi. Jinak ty TZA ted beru posledni od SPOERLEho (teda jestli Co jsou TZA? Transimpedancni zesilovace? Cl< > nebyl nekdo rychlejsi). Je pravdou ze se nektere soucastky spatne schani > ale pokud se dostane navrh do produkcniho stavu, bude asi vetsi sance. > Oni ani LEDky do RONJI nejsou tak snadno k sehnani. > > -- > Petr Lascak > ITF FreeNet Liberec > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klein at eshs.sk Wed Dec 10 08:50:29 2003 From: klein at eshs.sk (Marcel Klein) Date: Wed Dec 10 08:50:10 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz><20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src> <20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz> Message-ID: <005e01c3befa$aa416620$1200000a@hw> Pre nase ucely asi najlepsi transimpedancy zos. TZA3033 maju v kusovom mnozstve asi za 270Kc aj v RYSTONe, ale chcu min. odber za 1000Kc. S MAXkami by nemal byt problem. S ML je to horsie, zatial sa mi nepodarilo ho zohnat za rozumnu sumu.... Marcel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Lascak" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps Karel Kulhav? pise: > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:40:06PM +0100, schumann miroslav wrote: > > > > > Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? > > > Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? > > > > http://www.spezial.cz/products.html Dale jeste www.hte.cz, sehnat se daji docela dobre, s MicroLinearem je to horsi. Jinak ty TZA ted beru posledni od SPOERLEho (teda jestli nebyl nekdo rychlejsi). Je pravdou ze se nektere soucastky spatne schani ale pokud se dostane navrh do produkcniho stavu, bude asi vetsi sance. Oni ani LEDky do RONJI nejsou tak snadno k sehnani. -- Petr Lascak ITF FreeNet Liberec _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 08:50:38 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 08:50:44 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Pulse width In-Reply-To: ; from rojoc@hotmail.com on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 08:46:33PM -0300 References: Message-ID: <20031210095038.A405@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 08:46:33PM -0300, Gonzalo Gil wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to make a basic question: the 111111... and 00000... sequence in > 802.3 is a 20 MHz signal (pulse width of 25nsec)? No it's 10MHz signal: ~____~~~~____~~~~____~~~~____~~~~____~~~~____~~~~ |0 |100ns |200ns |300ns |400ns |500ns Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 09:00:07 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 09:00:08 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Mnaga s.r.o. In-Reply-To: <3FD64708.10574.11D4452@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 10:04:56PM +0100 References: <3FD63D04.24992.F62262@localhost>; <20031209212636.A1568@beton.cybernet.src> <3FD64708.10574.11D4452@localhost> Message-ID: <20031210100007.A418@beton.cybernet.src> Mnaga wrote: > Ad. RSSI: hodnoty kondenzatoru mas podlozeny nejakym vypoctem, ci merenim? > Na vystupu je nutny vybijeci odpor aby casova konstanta byla mensi nez cca 100ms. > Vnitrni odpor DMM je moc maly a pomaly pokles napeti znesnadnuje to zamerovani. No cim jsem to mel podlozeno si uz nepamatuju. Ted jsem se na to koukal znova a je tam 3.3nF bez zatezovaciho odporu. Bezny DMM ma vstupni odpor 10M a vzorkuje 3.5x za sekundu. (2*M_PI*3.3e-9*10e6)^-1=4.823 Hz coz je zlomova frekvence. Tudiz problemy to asi nezpusobi - to by nekdo musel myt nejaky super-special voltmetr s vysokym vnitrnim odporem vetsim jak 10M. Ale dal jsem tam odpor 2.2M a uz je to na webu. Ten ma (2*M_PI*3.3e-9*2.2e6)^-1=22 Hz, coz je vice nez dostacujici. > > Ad. C110: Hlavni vtip je v tom, ze kondenzatory musi byt stejne velke. Tak jimi projde Jo. Ted jsem ten 100nF vyhodil a dal jsem misto nej 2.2nF aby byly oba stejny. Ale kdo ma obvod uz v hlavici nechte to tak nema smysl to vyndavat zadne zlepseni se podle me konat nebude. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 09:06:04 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 09:06:06 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <005e01c3befa$aa416620$1200000a@hw>; from klein@eshs.sk on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:50:29AM +0100 References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz><20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src> <20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz> <005e01c3befa$aa416620$1200000a@hw> Message-ID: <20031210100604.B491@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:50:29AM +0100, Marcel Klein wrote: > Pre nase ucely asi najlepsi transimpedancy zos. TZA3033 maju v kusovom > mnozstve asi za 270Kc aj v RYSTONe, ale chcu min. odber za 1000Kc. S MAXkami V jake teplotni specifikaci je maji po 270Kc v RYSTONe? Cl< From klein at eshs.sk Wed Dec 10 09:24:31 2003 From: klein at eshs.sk (Marcel Klein) Date: Wed Dec 10 09:24:07 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz><20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src><20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz><005e01c3befa$aa416620$1200000a@hw> <20031210100604.B491@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <008b01c3beff$6ce0de00$1200000a@hw> Konkretne typ TZA 3033 T/C3 -40 az 85st, ine Philips asi ani nerobi (jedine zeby niekto nechcel "normalne puzdro"). Jedina chybicka krasy je ze to nema vyvedene AGC napetie... Marcel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:50:29AM +0100, Marcel Klein wrote: > > Pre nase ucely asi najlepsi transimpedancy zos. TZA3033 maju v kusovom > > mnozstve asi za 270Kc aj v RYSTONe, ale chcu min. odber za 1000Kc. S MAXkami > > V jake teplotni specifikaci je maji po 270Kc v RYSTONe? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 10:28:15 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 10:28:24 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <008b01c3beff$6ce0de00$1200000a@hw>; from klein@eshs.sk on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:24:31AM +0100 References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz><20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src><20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz><005e01c3befa$aa416620$1200000a@hw> <20031210100604.B491@beton.cybernet.src> <008b01c3beff$6ce0de00$1200000a@hw> Message-ID: <20031210112815.A614@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:24:31AM +0100, Marcel Klein wrote: > Konkretne typ TZA 3033 T/C3 -40 az 85st, ine Philips asi ani nerobi (jedine > zeby niekto nechcel "normalne puzdro"). > Jedina chybicka krasy je ze to nema vyvedene AGC napetie... Ani jine RSSI to nema? To je podstatna chyba protoze to pak nelze zamerovat. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 10:41:23 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 10:41:25 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Krystalove oscilatory / XTAL oscs Message-ID: <20031210114123.B704@beton.cybernet.src> Nemate prosimvas nekdo zkusenosti se stavbou krystalovych oscilatoru z krystalu a hradla? Zejmena co se tyce stability a reprodukovatelnosti? A taky aby to nebylo zavisle na zatezove kapacite pro kterou je krystal specifikovan? Don't you please have someone experience with building XTAL oscs from XTAL and gates? Especially regarding stability and reproducibility? And also regarding independence of the circuit on load capacitance for which the XTAL is specified? Cl<> From klein at eshs.sk Wed Dec 10 11:21:43 2003 From: klein at eshs.sk (Marcel Klein) Date: Wed Dec 10 11:21:18 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz><20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src><20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz><005e01c3befa$aa416620$1200000a@hw><20031210100604.B491@beton.cybernet.src><008b01c3beff$6ce0de00$1200000a@hw> <20031210112815.A614@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000701c3bf0f$cac21ec0$1200000a@hw> Ma to AGC vyvod, ale nie v klasickom SMD puzdre. Nieje to jednoduche. Rozmyslal som nad tym, ze sila signalu by sa dala merat aj na jeho vystupe, vystup totiz nieje presne konstantny, ale velmi mierne stupa zo vstupnym signalom. Akurat by to chcelo dobre zosilnit, aby to bolo vobec viditelne. v rozsahu AGC je od 2uA do 2mA vstupneho prudu je 100-150mVdiff na vystupe. Pripadne pri zameriavani dat pred sosovku nejake tmavsie plexisklo, ktore by znizilo signal na uroven ked este AGC nezabera (teda pod 2uA). Marcel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:24:31AM +0100, Marcel Klein wrote: > > Konkretne typ TZA 3033 T/C3 -40 az 85st, ine Philips asi ani nerobi (jedine > > zeby niekto nechcel "normalne puzdro"). > > Jedina chybicka krasy je ze to nema vyvedene AGC napetie... > > Ani jine RSSI to nema? To je podstatna chyba protoze to pak nelze > zamerovat. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Dec 10 12:25:31 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Dec 10 12:27:01 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz><20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src> <20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz> <005e01c3befa$aa416620$1200000a@hw> Message-ID: <003901c3bf18$b5a7cfe0$0101a8c0@cz> ML6652 se da objednat i v kusovem mnozstvi od: http://www.cdiweb.com/PortalProductDetail.aspx?ProdId=221639&ManufId=300&tabid=0 Postovne (UPS) stoji 3800,- . 1-24ks ... 15us$ 25-99ks ... 11.80us$ Zasilaji to i do CZE. Pro jeden spoj je treba 2ks....je dobre se domluvit s kamosema a koupit si treba 20ks...at se "zmekci" UPS. TZA a MAX bezproblemu v Rystonu za minimalne 1000,- (stejne ten nakup jde do 2000,- , takze tu hranici pretahnete v pohode) . Ostatni www.gme.cz a www.ges.cz . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Klein" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > Pre nase ucely asi najlepsi transimpedancy zos. TZA3033 maju v kusovom > mnozstve asi za 270Kc aj v RYSTONe, ale chcu min. odber za 1000Kc. S MAXkami > by nemal byt problem. > S ML je to horsie, zatial sa mi nepodarilo ho zohnat za rozumnu sumu.... > Marcel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Lascak" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > Karel Kulhav? pise: > > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:40:06PM +0100, schumann miroslav wrote: > > > > > > > Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? > > > > Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? > > > > > > http://www.spezial.cz/products.html > > Dale jeste www.hte.cz, sehnat se daji docela dobre, s MicroLinearem > je to horsi. Jinak ty TZA ted beru posledni od SPOERLEho (teda jestli > nebyl nekdo rychlejsi). Je pravdou ze se nektere soucastky spatne schani > ale pokud se dostane navrh do produkcniho stavu, bude asi vetsi sance. > Oni ani LEDky do RONJI nejsou tak snadno k sehnani. > > -- > Petr Lascak > ITF FreeNet Liberec > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Dec 10 12:30:46 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Dec 10 12:32:09 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz><20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src><20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz><005e01c3befa$aa416620$1200000a@hw><20031210100604.B491@beton.cybernet.src><008b01c3beff$6ce0de00$1200000a@hw> <20031210112815.A614@beton.cybernet.src> <000701c3bf0f$cac21ec0$1200000a@hw> Message-ID: <004801c3bf19$6f9c2ea0$0101a8c0@cz> Merim pomoci MAX 3964 (Ryston, Spezial) kde na vyvodu 5 je RSSI 0-5V DC dle sily signalu. A dale pomoci prevodniku LTC1286CN8 ( www.gme.cz polozka cislo : 320-033 za 320,- s DPH ) mi jdou data na Atmel 89c2051 a z toho data do LCD 2x16 a pres MAX232 (opet www.gme.cz ) RS232c do Linuxu. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Klein" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > Ma to AGC vyvod, ale nie v klasickom SMD puzdre. > Nieje to jednoduche. Rozmyslal som nad tym, ze sila signalu by sa dala merat > aj na jeho vystupe, vystup totiz nieje presne konstantny, ale velmi mierne > stupa zo vstupnym signalom. Akurat by to chcelo dobre zosilnit, aby to bolo > vobec viditelne. > v rozsahu AGC je od 2uA do 2mA vstupneho prudu je 100-150mVdiff na vystupe. > Pripadne pri zameriavani dat pred sosovku nejake tmavsie plexisklo, ktore by > znizilo signal na uroven ked este AGC nezabera (teda pod 2uA). > Marcel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:24:31AM +0100, Marcel Klein wrote: > > > Konkretne typ TZA 3033 T/C3 -40 az 85st, ine Philips asi ani nerobi > (jedine > > > zeby niekto nechcel "normalne puzdro"). > > > Jedina chybicka krasy je ze to nema vyvedene AGC napetie... > > > > Ani jine RSSI to nema? To je podstatna chyba protoze to pak nelze > > zamerovat. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Dec 10 12:39:45 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Dec 10 12:41:10 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Krystalove oscilatory / XTAL oscs References: <20031210114123.B704@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <006101c3bf1a$b1105b80$0101a8c0@cz> Delal jsem si podobny zpusobem oscilator (pro IF) pro radiostanici. Bohuzel melo to jedno extra nectnost....kolisal mi kmitocet +- 600Hz . Takze bylo nutno udelat i "vyhrejvani" aby to za ruznych teplot "necouralo". Jinej problem nebyl. Pozdeji jsem problem vyresil pomoci DDS , jako ridici CPU 89c52 a AD9850BRS. Zkus se podivat na Hradecke krystaly jake maji vlastnosti : http://home.tiscali.cz/cz547752 -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: [Ronja] Krystalove oscilatory / XTAL oscs > Nemate prosimvas nekdo zkusenosti se stavbou krystalovych oscilatoru z > krystalu a hradla? Zejmena co se tyce stability a reprodukovatelnosti? > A taky aby to nebylo zavisle na zatezove kapacite pro kterou je krystal > specifikovan? > > Don't you please have someone experience with building XTAL oscs from XTAL and > gates? Especially regarding stability and reproducibility? And also regarding > independence of the circuit on load capacitance for which the XTAL is > specified? > > Cl<> > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From klein at eshs.sk Wed Dec 10 12:47:35 2003 From: klein at eshs.sk (Marcel Klein) Date: Wed Dec 10 12:47:46 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz><20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src><20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz><005e01c3befa$aa416620$1200000a@hw> <003901c3bf18$b5a7cfe0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <003f01c3bf1b$c97a3f00$1200000a@hw> To ano, mam od nich ponuku, akurat ze dovoz vyjde niekolkonasobne drahsie ako chipy (ja chcem len 4ks). Preto zhanam niekoho kto by mal zaujem. Ozvite sa! Marcel ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps ML6652 se da objednat i v kusovem mnozstvi od: http://www.cdiweb.com/PortalProductDetail.aspx?ProdId=221639&ManufId=300&tab id=0 Postovne (UPS) stoji 3800,- . 1-24ks ... 15us$ 25-99ks ... 11.80us$ Zasilaji to i do CZE. Pro jeden spoj je treba 2ks....je dobre se domluvit s kamosema a koupit si treba 20ks...at se "zmekci" UPS. TZA a MAX bezproblemu v Rystonu za minimalne 1000,- (stejne ten nakup jde do 2000,- , takze tu hranici pretahnete v pohode) . Ostatni www.gme.cz a www.ges.cz . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Klein" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > Pre nase ucely asi najlepsi transimpedancy zos. TZA3033 maju v kusovom > mnozstve asi za 270Kc aj v RYSTONe, ale chcu min. odber za 1000Kc. S MAXkami > by nemal byt problem. > S ML je to horsie, zatial sa mi nepodarilo ho zohnat za rozumnu sumu.... > Marcel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petr Lascak" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > Karel Kulhav? pise: > > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:40:06PM +0100, schumann miroslav wrote: > > > > > > > Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? > > > > Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? > > > > > > http://www.spezial.cz/products.html > > Dale jeste www.hte.cz, sehnat se daji docela dobre, s MicroLinearem > je to horsi. Jinak ty TZA ted beru posledni od SPOERLEho (teda jestli > nebyl nekdo rychlejsi). Je pravdou ze se nektere soucastky spatne schani > ale pokud se dostane navrh do produkcniho stavu, bude asi vetsi sance. > Oni ani LEDky do RONJI nejsou tak snadno k sehnani. > > -- > Petr Lascak > ITF FreeNet Liberec > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From klein at eshs.sk Wed Dec 10 12:52:45 2003 From: klein at eshs.sk (Marcel Klein) Date: Wed Dec 10 12:52:56 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps References: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src><92102.267678-2906-1037140768-1070984406@seznam.cz><20031209164323.A686@beton.cybernet.src><20031209211506.GA24603@mail.ignum.cz><005e01c3befa$aa416620$1200000a@hw><20031210100604.B491@beton.cybernet.src><008b01c3beff$6ce0de00$1200000a@hw><20031210112815.A614@beton.cybernet.src><000701c3bf0f$cac21ec0$1200000a@hw> <004801c3bf19$6f9c2ea0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <004701c3bf1c$847e8720$1200000a@hw> Co mas platne merat signal na vystupe MAX ak mas predtym TZA ktoreho AGC signal na vystupe takmer celkom zrovna. Jedine ak sa pohybujes v oblasti signalov, kedy AGC este nieje aktivne, teda to funguje len pre velmi male signaly od 0.2-2uA Marcel ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps Merim pomoci MAX 3964 (Ryston, Spezial) kde na vyvodu 5 je RSSI 0-5V DC dle sily signalu. A dale pomoci prevodniku LTC1286CN8 ( www.gme.cz polozka cislo : 320-033 za 320,- s DPH ) mi jdou data na Atmel 89c2051 a z toho data do LCD 2x16 a pres MAX232 (opet www.gme.cz ) RS232c do Linuxu. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Klein" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > Ma to AGC vyvod, ale nie v klasickom SMD puzdre. > Nieje to jednoduche. Rozmyslal som nad tym, ze sila signalu by sa dala merat > aj na jeho vystupe, vystup totiz nieje presne konstantny, ale velmi mierne > stupa zo vstupnym signalom. Akurat by to chcelo dobre zosilnit, aby to bolo > vobec viditelne. > v rozsahu AGC je od 2uA do 2mA vstupneho prudu je 100-150mVdiff na vystupe. > Pripadne pri zameriavani dat pred sosovku nejake tmavsie plexisklo, ktore by > znizilo signal na uroven ked este AGC nezabera (teda pod 2uA). > Marcel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karel Kulhav?" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] 100Mbps > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:24:31AM +0100, Marcel Klein wrote: > > > Konkretne typ TZA 3033 T/C3 -40 az 85st, ine Philips asi ani nerobi > (jedine > > > zeby niekto nechcel "normalne puzdro"). > > > Jedina chybicka krasy je ze to nema vyvedene AGC napetie... > > > > Ani jine RSSI to nema? To je podstatna chyba protoze to pak nelze > > zamerovat. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 13:10:19 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:10:26 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Krystalove oscilatory / XTAL oscs In-Reply-To: <006101c3bf1a$b1105b80$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 01:39:45PM +0100 References: <20031210114123.B704@beton.cybernet.src> <006101c3bf1a$b1105b80$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031210141019.A869@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 01:39:45PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Delal jsem si podobny zpusobem oscilator (pro IF) pro radiostanici. > Bohuzel melo to jedno extra nectnost....kolisal mi kmitocet +- 600Hz . > Takze bylo nutno udelat i "vyhrejvani" aby to za > ruznych teplot "necouralo". Jinej problem nebyl. > > Pozdeji jsem problem vyresil pomoci DDS , jako ridici CPU 89c52 a AD9850BRS. Co je DDS? Cl< From shake at volny.cz Wed Dec 10 13:35:09 2003 From: shake at volny.cz (Bohdan Cech) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:32:22 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s RX Message-ID: <3FD7210D.5000003@volny.cz> Diky za help, opravdu pomohlo pouziti odporu pod 560 ohm. U toho receivru, ktery ukazoval 0 RSSI cely cas se ukazalo, ze vsechno bylo spravne jen prijimaci ledka opacne ;-) Jinak presvedcili jsme se, ze opravdu pri testovani musi byt zvlaste krabicka receivru zavrena, jinak to proste chodi mizerne. Ted dotaz. Na 2 metry bez optiky a cehokoli jen tak proti sobe nam to chodilo s 0% packet loss. (diody/ HPWT-BD00-E4000) /Kdyz jsme vzdalenost zvetsovali nad 2 metry tak packet loss vzrustal az nekde 2m 40 jsme neprenesli skoro zadne. Chtel bych vedet, jestli se 130mm cockama to bude v pohode fungovat na tech 1.3km? Jeste jednou diky za help, chodi to skvele :-) Bohdan Cech From zapadlo at melzer.cz Wed Dec 10 13:39:18 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:39:22 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s RX In-Reply-To: <3FD7210D.5000003@volny.cz> References: <3FD7210D.5000003@volny.cz> Message-ID: <200312101439.18764.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne st 10. prosince 2003 14:35 Bohdan Cech napsal(a): > Diky za help, opravdu pomohlo pouziti odporu pod 560 ohm. > U toho receivru, ktery ukazoval 0 RSSI cely cas se ukazalo, ze vsechno bylo > spravne jen prijimaci ledka opacne ;-) > Jinak presvedcili jsme se, ze opravdu pri testovani musi byt zvlaste > krabicka > receivru zavrena, jinak to proste chodi mizerne. > Ted dotaz. Na 2 metry bez optiky a cehokoli jen tak proti sobe nam to > chodilo > s 0% packet loss. (diody/ HPWT-BD00-E4000) > /Kdyz jsme vzdalenost zvetsovali nad 2 metry tak packet loss vzrustal az > nekde > 2m 40 jsme neprenesli skoro zadne. Chtel bych vedet, jestli se 130mm > cockama > to bude v pohode fungovat na tech 1.3km? 100% Me se zacal paket loss objevovat u 1.8m a presto to na 1.3km chodi bez potizi. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 13:54:08 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:54:11 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s RX In-Reply-To: <3FD7210D.5000003@volny.cz>; from shake@volny.cz on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:35:09PM +0100 References: <3FD7210D.5000003@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031210145408.C17170@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:35:09PM +0100, Bohdan Cech wrote: > Diky za help, opravdu pomohlo pouziti odporu pod 560 ohm. > U toho receivru, ktery ukazoval 0 RSSI cely cas se ukazalo, ze vsechno bylo > spravne jen prijimaci ledka opacne ;-) Hm tak kdyz se otoci prijimaci dioda tak s ni tece porad proud a nic neprijima. > Jinak presvedcili jsme se, ze opravdu pri testovani musi byt zvlaste > krabicka > receivru zavrena, jinak to proste chodi mizerne. > Ted dotaz. Na 2 metry bez optiky a cehokoli jen tak proti sobe nam to > chodilo > s 0% packet loss. (diody/ HPWT-BD00-E4000) > /Kdyz jsme vzdalenost zvetsovali nad 2 metry tak packet loss vzrustal az > nekde > 2m 40 jsme neprenesli skoro zadne. Chtel bych vedet, jestli se 130mm > cockama > to bude v pohode fungovat na tech 1.3km? Jo to bude. Takhle nejak to ma chodit. Zavisi to taky na okolnim osvetleni jestli to clovek dela v noci pri svicce nebo za slunecneho dne v proskleme atelieru - prece jenom se na tu diodu chyta vystrelovy sum naseho kvantoveho sveta :) > > Jeste jednou diky za help, chodi to skvele :-) Neni zac Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 15:10:16 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 15:10:31 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ->Mnaga: permalloyove stineni Message-ID: <20031210161016.A17337@beton.cybernet.src> Ahoj V PM na czfree mi pises: "BTW roura od kamen je dost dobra nahrada permalloyoveho stineni" Co je to permalloy? Nejaka slitina vykazujici feromagneticke vlastnosti? Je pri magnetickem stineni jedno jestli je to magneticky tvrde nebo magneticky mekke kdyz me zajima pouze stineni vuci stridavemu magnetickemu poli? Da se pomoci tohoto typu stineni taky stinit stejnosmerne stineni u repraku? Ma takove stineni vyznam pro Ronju? Podle me nema protoze stridave magneticke pole se odstini vodivosti krabicky (vznikaji tam indukovane proudy ktere to vynulujou) a i kdyby ne, tak krabicka je zase z magnetickeho materialu, tak se to odstini stejne, ne? (PLech je ocelovy pocinovany takze magnet by se k nemu mel pricucnout). Pak ses ptal proc je na vystupu NE592 9V DC proti zemi. Je to podle me featura toho zesilovace. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Wed Dec 10 16:15:59 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Wed Dec 10 16:16:22 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ->Mnaga: permalloyove stineni In-Reply-To: <20031210161016.A17337@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031210161016.A17337@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200312101716.00073.ladmanj@volny.cz> A jeje chce se hrabat v elektronice a nevi co to je permalloy :-D Je to slitina ze ktery se delaj transformatorovy plechy. Viz kterakoli ucebnice elektrotechnologie. Jakub Dne st 10. prosince 2003 16:10 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Ahoj > > V PM na czfree mi pises: > "BTW roura od kamen je dost dobra nahrada permalloyoveho stineni" > Co je to permalloy? Nejaka slitina vykazujici feromagneticke vlastnosti? > Je pri magnetickem stineni jedno jestli je to magneticky tvrde nebo > magneticky mekke kdyz me zajima pouze stineni vuci stridavemu magnetickemu > poli? > > Da se pomoci tohoto typu stineni taky stinit stejnosmerne stineni u > repraku? > > Ma takove stineni vyznam pro Ronju? Podle me nema protoze stridave > magneticke pole se odstini vodivosti krabicky (vznikaji tam indukovane > proudy ktere to vynulujou) a i kdyby ne, tak krabicka je zase z > magnetickeho materialu, tak se to odstini stejne, ne? (PLech je ocelovy > pocinovany takze magnet by se k nemu mel pricucnout). > > Pak ses ptal proc je na vystupu NE592 9V DC proti zemi. Je to podle me > featura toho zesilovace. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 16:33:45 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 16:33:51 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ->Mnaga: permalloyove stineni In-Reply-To: <200312101716.00073.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 05:15:59PM +0100 References: <20031210161016.A17337@beton.cybernet.src> <200312101716.00073.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031210173345.A17443@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 05:15:59PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > A jeje chce se hrabat v elektronice a nevi co to je permalloy :-D Ja se v ni hrabat nechci - chci to postavit tak abych se v tom hrabat uz nemusel prave proto, ze elektronice vubec nerozumim ;-) > Je to slitina ze ktery se delaj transformatorovy plechy. Jo tak neco takovyho jsem vedel ze to je nejaka slitina ktera ma nejaky magneticky vlastnosti. Z toho ze se z toho delaj trafoplechy se da dovodit ze to je magneticky tvrdy - jo a nedelaly se nahodou taky z nejaky kremikovy oceli nebo co? Ale rek bych ze fakt Ronje to muze bejt jedno jestli skrz ni fici nejaky magneticky pole. > Viz kterakoli ucebnice elektrotechnologie. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tak tohle jsme na matfyzu fakt nemeli :) Mel bych si to nejak doplnit? :) BTW je nekde nejakej server kde by se daly vsechny skripta z FELu stahnout v PDF, ps, htm,l, txt, dvi, TeXu nebo aspon wordu/powerpointu? Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Dec 10 18:26:12 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Dec 10 18:28:13 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Krystalove oscilatory / XTAL oscs References: <20031210114123.B704@beton.cybernet.src> <006101c3bf1a$b1105b80$0101a8c0@cz> <20031210141019.A869@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002701c3bf4b$187b6be0$0101a8c0@cz> DDS = Direct Digital Synthesis ... Prima digitalni synteza Proste tim nahradis klasicke VFO (VCO) necim sakra presnym (pouziva se i v mobilu GSM). Nejake info: http://hubenak.ttnet.cz/dds_01.htm http://home.swipnet.se/~w-41522/minidds/minidds.html http://www.qsl.net/ke5fx/synth.html http://www.hw.cz/docs/frekv_synteza/dds.html Ja vsak stavel dle Andrease DL4JAL : http://www.dl4jal.de/DDS.html coz je nejluxusnejsi DDS pro HAM (prekopaval jsem Fantom89-KV) Posledni fw umi i VF generator do 120MHz a kdyz se vhodne smicha (IF) s nejakym pevnym oscikem, tak mam ty spravne pouzitelne kmitocty pro testy. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] Krystalove oscilatory / XTAL oscs > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 01:39:45PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > > Delal jsem si podobny zpusobem oscilator (pro IF) pro radiostanici. > > Bohuzel melo to jedno extra nectnost....kolisal mi kmitocet +- 600Hz . > > Takze bylo nutno udelat i "vyhrejvani" aby to za > > ruznych teplot "necouralo". Jinej problem nebyl. > > > > Pozdeji jsem problem vyresil pomoci DDS , jako ridici CPU 89c52 a AD9850BRS. > > Co je DDS? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Dec 10 18:33:50 2003 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Dec 10 18:33:58 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ->Mnaga: permalloyove stineni In-Reply-To: <200312101716.00073.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20031210161016.A17337@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <3FD7751E.13530.33B71D@localhost> No, podle me se z permalloye transformatorove plechy nedelaji, protoze je rozumne velkou civkou nenabudis. Jinak permalloy je tepelne upravena slitina niklu a zeleza a vynika obrovskou permeabilitou proti samotnemu zelezu. Princip stineni spociva v tom, ze objekt se obklopi rourou z teto slitiny a vnejsi mg. pole si vybere snazsi cestu pres tento kryt. Takto funguje treba stineni osciloskopickych obrazovek. Reproduktory se tim odstinit taky daji. Viz. treba http://www.ohtama.co.jp/eng/tech/tec_02.html. No a kdyz se dovnitr da jeste medena krabice a ta se uzemni, tak do ni uz se vubec nic nedostane. Videl jsem demonstraci mereni napeti radu mikrovoltu. Bez krytu absolutne bez sance, s krytem nebylo ruseni mereno, ani kdyz jela 50m daleko tramvaj. Samotna krabice z nemagnetickeho materialu je ucinna az od vyssich frekvenci. To souvisi s tzv. hloubkou vniku zareni, tj. hloubka, na ktere intenzita vlneni poklesne e- krat. Ta je tim vetsi, cim je mensi permeabilita a permitivita a frekvence nizsi. Ucinny kryt musi byt tlusty nekolik takovych hloubek vniku. To se necha spocitat pro pozadovany odstup ruseni a frekvenci. Pak jeste tech 9V na vystupech NE592. Vypada to opravdu na featuru brouka. Stejne se chova TL592 od jineho vyrobce. Ja bych cekal, ze si nastavi 1/2 napajeciho napeti, aby se maximalne vyuzil rozkmit. Zajimave je ze si ho drzi bez ohledu na vnuce ss napeti na vstupech. Tak dochazi nejdrive k jednostranne limitaci. Coz ma vliv na mereni RSSI a castecne "kazi" (jitter) zpracovani v nasledujicim tranzistorovem stupni. Jeste to nemam podrobne prozkoumano. On 10 Dec 2003 at 17:15, Jakub Ladman wrote: > A jeje chce se hrabat v elektronice a nevi co to je permalloy :-D > Je to slitina ze ktery se delaj transformatorovy plechy. > Viz kterakoli ucebnice elektrotechnologie. > Jakub > > Dne st 10. prosince 2003 16:10 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > > Ahoj > > > > V PM na czfree mi pises: > > "BTW roura od kamen je dost dobra nahrada permalloyoveho stineni" > > Co je to permalloy? Nejaka slitina vykazujici feromagneticke vlastnosti? > > Je pri magnetickem stineni jedno jestli je to magneticky tvrde nebo > > magneticky mekke kdyz me zajima pouze stineni vuci stridavemu magnetickemu > > poli? > > > > Da se pomoci tohoto typu stineni taky stinit stejnosmerne stineni u > > repraku? > > > > Ma takove stineni vyznam pro Ronju? Podle me nema protoze stridave > > magneticke pole se odstini vodivosti krabicky (vznikaji tam indukovane > > proudy ktere to vynulujou) a i kdyby ne, tak krabicka je zase z > > magnetickeho materialu, tak se to odstini stejne, ne? (PLech je ocelovy > > pocinovany takze magnet by se k nemu mel pricucnout). > > > > Pak ses ptal proc je na vystupu NE592 9V DC proti zemi. Je to podle me > > featura toho zesilovace. > > > > Cl< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 19:22:42 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 19:22:56 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Krystalove oscilatory / XTAL oscs In-Reply-To: <002701c3bf4b$187b6be0$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 07:26:12PM +0100 References: <20031210114123.B704@beton.cybernet.src> <006101c3bf1a$b1105b80$0101a8c0@cz> <20031210141019.A869@beton.cybernet.src> <002701c3bf4b$187b6be0$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031210202242.A18063@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 07:26:12PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > DDS = Direct Digital Synthesis ... Prima digitalni synteza > Proste tim nahradis klasicke VFO (VCO) necim sakra presnym (pouziva se i v > mobilu GSM). > Nejake info: > http://hubenak.ttnet.cz/dds_01.htm > http://home.swipnet.se/~w-41522/minidds/minidds.html > http://www.qsl.net/ke5fx/synth.html > http://www.hw.cz/docs/frekv_synteza/dds.html > Ja vsak stavel dle Andrease DL4JAL : http://www.dl4jal.de/DDS.html coz je > nejluxusnejsi DDS pro HAM (prekopaval jsem Fantom89-KV) > Posledni fw umi i VF generator do 120MHz a kdyz se vhodne smicha (IF) s > nejakym pevnym oscikem, tak mam ty spravne pouzitelne > kmitocty pro testy. Aha, jestli to dobre chapu, tak je to neco jako sigma-delta modulator/ demodulator? Akorat v S/D kodeku je zpetna vazba z vystupu kdezto tady se asi simuluje softwarove, ne? Proste se to vyditheruje hodnekrat prevzorkovane cernobile a pak se to rozpatla nejakym analogovym filtrem do odstinu sedi :) Uvazuju ze bych do Linkse do featur misto "picture dithering" napsal "direct digital synthesis of images" a nebo "sigma-delta image synthesis" ;-) Kolisani kmitoctu zrovna v ramci meho dotazu neni kriticke me jde jenom aby to jelo o kolik to bude ujizdet je mi jedno. Cl< From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 19:31:12 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 19:31:15 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ->Mnaga: permalloyove stineni In-Reply-To: <3FD7751E.13530.33B71D@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 07:33:50PM +0100 References: <20031210161016.A17337@beton.cybernet.src> <200312101716.00073.ladmanj@volny.cz> <3FD7751E.13530.33B71D@localhost> Message-ID: <20031210203112.B18063@beton.cybernet.src> > souvisi s tzv. hloubkou vniku zareni, tj. hloubka, na ktere intenzita vlneni poklesne e- > krat. Ta je tim vetsi, cim je mensi permeabilita a permitivita a frekvence nizsi. Ucinny > kryt musi byt tlusty nekolik takovych hloubek vniku. To se necha spocitat pro A ta hloubka je zavisla na odporu toho vodice, ne? Kdyz se to udela supravodivy tak to nema problemy ani s nulovou frekvenci (DC) a pak nad tim levituje permanentni magnet :) > pozadovany odstup ruseni a frekvenci. > > Pak jeste tech 9V na vystupech NE592. Vypada to opravdu na featuru brouka. Stejne > se chova TL592 od jineho vyrobce. Ja bych cekal, ze si nastavi 1/2 napajeciho napeti, > aby se maximalne vyuzil rozkmit. Zajimave je ze si ho drzi bez ohledu na vnuce ss > napeti na vstupech. Tak dochazi nejdrive k jednostranne limitaci. Coz ma vliv na Jo nekde na prelomu mezi Loopipe a Metropolis (rok 2001) jsem si s tim hral - zkousel jsem NE592 davat ruzny napeti na vstup protoze jsem si taky vsimnul ze tam to napeti je 9V. A zjistil jsem ze se to neda zmenit ani common mode DC biasem, ani differential mode DC biasem. Tak jsem se na to vykaslal. > mereni RSSI a castecne "kazi" (jitter) zpracovani v nasledujicim tranzistorovem stupni. > Jeste to nemam podrobne prozkoumano. No NE592 limitovat nesmi. Od toho je tam receno ze to ma minimalni dosah 1/15 maximalniho dosahu. Cl< From Seligr at sh.cvut.cz Wed Dec 10 19:56:09 2003 From: Seligr at sh.cvut.cz (Seligr@sh.cvut.cz) Date: Wed Dec 10 19:56:17 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ->Mnaga: permalloyove stineni In-Reply-To: <20031210203112.B18063@beton.cybernet.src> References: <3FD7751E.13530.33B71D@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 07:33:50PM +0100 Message-ID: <3FD78869.15454.35277C@localhost> On 10 Dec 2003 at 20:31, Karel Kulhav wrote: > > souvisi s tzv. hloubkou vniku zareni, tj. hloubka, na ktere intenzita vlneni poklesne e- > > krat. Ta je tim vetsi, cim je mensi permeabilita a permitivita a frekvence nizsi. Ucinny > > kryt musi byt tlusty nekolik takovych hloubek vniku. To se necha spocitat pro > > A ta hloubka je zavisla na odporu toho vodice, ne? Kdyz se to udela supravodivy > tak to nema problemy ani s nulovou frekvenci (DC) a pak nad tim levituje > permanentni magnet :) Tuhle atrakci s magnety maj nekde na matfyzu. Nicmene odpor, lepe receno vodivost, se u beznych kovu nelisi v radech. Zato permeabilita permalloye je radu tisicu az statisicu a zelez jednotky-desitky. Takze to ma dramaticky vliv. > > > pozadovany odstup ruseni a frekvenci. > > > > Pak jeste tech 9V na vystupech NE592. Vypada to opravdu na featuru brouka. Stejne > > se chova TL592 od jineho vyrobce. Ja bych cekal, ze si nastavi 1/2 napajeciho napeti, > > aby se maximalne vyuzil rozkmit. Zajimave je ze si ho drzi bez ohledu na vnuce ss > > napeti na vstupech. Tak dochazi nejdrive k jednostranne limitaci. Coz ma vliv na > > Jo nekde na prelomu mezi Loopipe a Metropolis (rok 2001) jsem si s tim hral - > zkousel jsem NE592 davat ruzny napeti na vstup protoze jsem si taky vsimnul ze > tam to napeti je 9V. A zjistil jsem ze se to neda zmenit ani common mode DC > biasem, ani differential mode DC biasem. Tak jsem se na to vykaslal. > To same se nameril taky. Jeste se mrknu na SPICE model. Me to vadilo, kdyz jsem zkousel limiter s 2N3904 nahradit dalsim zesilovacim stupnem s NE592. Pokud by se to povedlo, nahradi to MAXe s cenou o rad vetsi. Jeste mam v zaloze jeden levny limiter, ale ten si nechavam jako trumfove eso na 100Mbit. > > mereni RSSI a castecne "kazi" (jitter) zpracovani v nasledujicim tranzistorovem stupni. > > Jeste to nemam podrobne prozkoumano. > > No NE592 limitovat nesmi. Od toho je tam receno ze to ma minimalni dosah 1/15 > maximalniho dosahu. Moje zkusenost je, ze nejdriv zacne zkreslovat MOSFET a derivator to jen domrsi z principu funce. NE592 limituje v tom smyslu, ze natvrdo orizne amplitudu jako kazdy slusny OZ, coz nema vliv na funkci. Proto nema cenu zvetsovat zesileni mezi MOSFETem a NE592, vlozenim dalsiho zesilovace, bez zavedeni AGC. > > Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Dec 9 21:44:19 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Dec 10 20:21:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 100Mbps In-Reply-To: <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src> References: <009d01c3b920$3f23aae0$0101a8c0@cz> <002201c3bcac$4e3ca560$28affea9@celeron366> <20031207182549.D1583@beton.cybernet.src> <004101c3be46$c7cb8d60$0101a8c0@cz> <20031209134947.A431@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <8419252421.20031209224419@volny.cz> BTW: Kde se da v Praze v kusovem mnostvi sehnat HPWT-BD00? Je to problem, ale take se ho dari vyresit. Pocet jedoucich spoju je toho dukazem. OndraT KK> Kde se sezene v maloobchode v kusovem mnozstvi v Praze TZA3033? KK> Kde MAX 3964? Kde MAX3263? KK> Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Dec 9 21:46:11 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Dec 10 20:21:44 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Problem s RX In-Reply-To: <3FD29032.4040002@volny.cz> References: <3FD29032.4040002@volny.cz> Message-ID: <6319363861.20031209224611@volny.cz> Dle mych zkusenosti se na plosnaku stane to, ze stoupne nejake nedefinovae ruseni na Ucc a vlivem toho se snizi citlivost celku. Nejhure je na tom Rx. OndraT BC> Zdravim, BC> jelikoz crusader je stale nedostupny a buhvi jestli nekdy bude vrhli jsme BC> se i v Ostrave na stavbu ronji. BC> Dneska se uskutecnil prvni test, meli jsme k dispozici BC> 2x AUI, 4xTX, 4xRX BC> Zda se, ze se vsechno povedlo, az na ty RX, snad krome jednoho se BC> vsechny chovaji divne. BC> Soucastky jsme pouzili standartni a pajene je to ve vzduchu presne BC> dle navodu. Jako nahradu za BPW43 jsme pouzili SFH-2030 a misto BC> BF908 jsme pouzili BF961. BC> Ted uz k problemum. 1 RX, kde se nam nepodarilo dostat hodnotu na P104 BC> vys nez 3.05V BC> Namerene hodnoty jsou: BC> P101.............10.89 BC> P102...............3.53 BC> P103...............0 BC> P104...............3.05 (pri pouziti R106 - 560 ohm) BC> P105...............5.43 BC> P106...............5.54 BC> P107...............0 BC> Zkouseli jsme vymenit BF961 za jiny, ale vysledek byl uplne stejny, BC> zkouseli jsme BC> to pripojit na jiny AUI/TX, pripadne pouzit jiny TX proti, ale vzdy BC> stejny vysledek. BC> Jsme bezradni, na P102, P103 jsou ok hodnoty, a tranzistor se zda byt v BC> poradku, BC> kde by mohl byt zakopany pes? BC> U dalsiho RX se povedlo vytuningovat P104 na hodnotu 6.75, zbytek opet BC> vsechno v norme, BC> ale RSSI na nekolik centimetru prakticky nemeritelne, cca 0.05. BC> Treti RX se projevuje podobne jako predchozi s tim rozdilem, ze na metr BC> ma RSSI cca 100-120mV. BC> Posledni RX ma na metr priblizne 900mV, coz je zrejme jediny momentalne BC> spravne fungujici BC> vzorek? Je nekde nejaka tabulka jake hodnoty RSSI bychom meli namerit na BC> jakou vzdalenost? BC> Tady mozna jeste poznamka, ze vysilaci diody jsou HPWT-BD00-E4000. BC> S poslednimi dvemi jmenovanymi RX jsme zkusili prenos dat na jeden metr BC> a vysledkem BC> bylo 560kB/s. Na obou stranach 3c900B. Predpokladam, ze problem bude BC> prave v tom jednom BC> vadnem RX. BC> No kazdopadne potesujici bylo, ze se to hned napoprve podarilo rozjet, BC> ocenil bych help BC> s tuningem tech RX a snad to vsechno bude fungovat :-) BC> Diky BC> S pozdravem BC> Bohdan Cech BC> _______________________________________________ BC> Ronja mailing list BC> Ronja@lists.pointless.net BC> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Dec 9 21:49:52 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Wed Dec 10 20:21:59 2003 Subject: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja In-Reply-To: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> References: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <7719584961.20031209224952@volny.cz> Ahoj, pekny. Ale mate to porovnany s original vrabcim hnizdem? Mohu pro porovnani zapujcit Rx vrabci hnizdo, Rx vlastni tistak schvaleny na FELu, Rx na skontorpove DPS nefunkci a (po dohode s StB ) Rx na skontorpove DPS funkci. BTW: Muj DPS dosah bez optiky 2m Vrabci hnizdo dosah bez optiky 4m Je to peklo :-) OndraT PS> Ahoj, PS> koukn?te na PS> http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm PS> je to o elektronice. Na mechaniku se Martin pr?v? te? chyst?. PS> T?eba to n?komu pom??e. Pepa se o t?ch jeho plo???c?ch vyj?d?il PS> ?e si s nima "m??e d?lat kdo chce co chce". PS> hezk? den PS> Hi, please look at page above. There is an overview of our PS> ronja electronics. Mechanics is in progress. Pepa (the UTP pcb PS> author) said it "can be used by anyone for any purpose". PS> have a nice day PS> _______________________________________________ PS> Ronja mailing list PS> Ronja@lists.pointless.net PS> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 10 21:30:01 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 10 21:30:10 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ->Mnaga: permalloyove stineni In-Reply-To: <3FD78869.15454.35277C@localhost>; from Seligr@sh.cvut.cz on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 08:56:09PM +0100 References: <3FD7751E.13530.33B71D@localhost>; <20031210203112.B18063@beton.cybernet.src> <3FD78869.15454.35277C@localhost> Message-ID: <20031210223001.A18393@beton.cybernet.src> > > > > Jo nekde na prelomu mezi Loopipe a Metropolis (rok 2001) jsem si s tim hral - > > zkousel jsem NE592 davat ruzny napeti na vstup protoze jsem si taky vsimnul ze > > tam to napeti je 9V. A zjistil jsem ze se to neda zmenit ani common mode DC > > biasem, ani differential mode DC biasem. Tak jsem se na to vykaslal. > > > To same se nameril taky. Jeste se mrknu na SPICE model. Mas SPICE model? Pastni PLS :) Cl< From bobriks at volny.cz Fri Dec 12 12:03:57 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (bobriks@volny.cz) Date: Fri Dec 12 12:04:05 2003 Subject: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja In-Reply-To: <7719584961.20031209224952@volny.cz> References: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> <7719584961.20031209224952@volny.cz> Message-ID: Vcera jsem vymenil puvodne testovane skontorpovy DPS na trase Ujezd<>Ventus (cca 1100m) za vrabci hnizda postavena v cuprextitovych krabickach podle original Clockova navodu: http://www.honirna.cz/czfree/ronja/mechanika/elite Hnizda mi laskave pujcil Elite, ja jsem dobastlil upravu do plastovych tubusu Ondry Tesare. Podle Eliteho jim tyto krabicky fungovaly ve Stodulkach na 1000m. V noci PL=0, pres den ruzne. Nastavovali je podle PL, RSSI se pry "chovalo divne". Idle 1MHz z Ventusu prijimany na Ujezde RXem se na osciloskopu zlepsil temer o 100% (amplituda obdelniku = 30mV-skontorp, 60mV-Elite, optimalne nezaostreny TX na Ventusu). Sum zustal zhruba stejny jako na DPS, ale vyrazne "vylezly" diky vetsi amplitude ostre hrany na prechodech log0-log1. Ve smeru Ujezd->Ventus se signal taky evidentne zlepsil. Ale na osciloskopu napajenem ze site 220V se projevovala nejaka ducharina. RX signal na Ventusu byl dobry, jen kdyz jsem krabicku v tubusu sevrel pevne rukou, jinak byl silne zasumeny. Pritomnost prijimaneho signalu indikovana pohasinanim zelene LED na AUI vsak fungovala s rukou i bez ruky vzdy dobre. Tuhle ducharinu pricitam krome notorickych projevu zemnich smycek pri sitovem napajeni nedokonale zakrytovane Eliteho krabicce nevodive nasazenou tenkou plechovou folii cca 0.1mm. Na Ujezde to asi nevadi, ale na Ventusu jsou vedle Ronji anteny asi ctyr BTSek a je zle. :-) Data jsme zatim prenaset nezkouseli, protoze nebyly nakonfigurovany stroje. Nicmene aspon nejake zavery: * 1 * S DPS je kolem mezni vzdalenosti skutecne nejaka potiz!!!! * 2 * Nepodcenovat EMS, prvnim krokem jsou dobre stinene krabicky. Ale chtelo by to podrobnejsi rozbor. Problemem muze byt mozna i napajeni z AUI konektoru z karty v PC. * 3 * Na podlaze jsem si overil, ze ss ruckovy merak se vubec pohne na rozsahu 0.5V (Ri=10kOhm) o tloustku rucicky az pri amplitude idle obdelniku na osciloskopu neco pres 50mV. S digi multimetrem jsem nemel moznost merit. Ve hre je spousta faktoru: Ri meraku, pouzita metoda mereni v nem, tvar kolena diody D102. Na absolutni cisla RSSI s ruznymi meraky je tudiz tezko se spolehnout. * 4 * Nezanedbatelnou roli hraje vzdy nenulovy sum na vystupu U101 v RX. Ten je na podlaze i na strese stejny, pokud ale neni v okoli zdroj ruseni, ktery jej zvysi! Kriticke je dostat se z RX na takovou amplitudu signalu, aby se jeho hrany "netopily" v sumu a nasledny tranzistorovy diskriminator dokazal jednoznacne obnovit puvodni ethernetovy signal. * 5 * Parametry kazde instalace kolem 1000m jsou nyni sazkou do loterie. Evidentne by pomohl nejaky referencni testovaci "polygon", nez zacne clovek litat po strechach! Alespon dokud nebude trotlfestova, co do reprodukovatelnosti masove akceptovatelna a vsemi moznymi technickymi parametry (RSSI vs. PL!) i s ohledem na tolerance soucastek zdokumentovana verze. Coz takova verze nebude dlouho. Takze "polygon" by se uzivil. * 6 * Zakaz koureni! Ujezd<>Ventus jsme instalovali zacatkem leta podle nejlepsi viditelnosti. Ted v zime vsak do tehle trasy cestou hulej celkem tri kominy. Jak osciloskop, tak zelena LED na AUI v rytmu prikladani pod kotle a do krbu a v rytmu sily a smeru vetru pekne "pumpujou". Resenim bude prestehovat instalaci na Ventusu o 10m vedle a nize. Tim se trasa dostane mimo oblast permanentniho koureni..... Zdravim, Standa ----- P?VODN? ZPR?VA ----- Od: "Ondrej Tesar" Komu: "Twibright Ronja" P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja Datum: 10.12.2003 - 21:22:23 > Ahoj, > pekny. Ale mate to porovnany s original vrabcim > hnizdem? Mohu pro > porovnani zapujcit Rx vrabci hnizdo, Rx vlastni tistak > schvaleny na > FELu, Rx na skontorpove DPS nefunkci a (po dohode s StB > ) Rx na > skontorpove DPS funkci. > > BTW: Muj DPS dosah bez optiky 2m > Vrabci hnizdo dosah bez optiky 4m > > Je to peklo :-) > > OndraT > > PS> Ahoj, > PS> koukn?te na > PS> > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > PS> je to o elektronice. Na mechaniku se Martin pr?v? > te? chyst?. > PS> T?eba to n?komu pom??e. Pepa se o t?ch jeho > plo???c?ch vyj?d?il > PS> ?e si s nima "m??e d?lat kdo chce co chce". > PS> hezk? den > > PS> Hi, please look at page above. There is an overview > of our > PS> ronja electronics. Mechanics is in progress. Pepa > (the UTP pcb > PS> author) said it "can be used by anyone for any > purpose". > PS> have a nice day > > > > PS> _______________________________________________ > PS> Ronja mailing list > PS> Ronja@lists.pointless.net > PS> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Stedry tyden na mailVOLNY. Kontrolujte svou schranku kazdy den! From clock at twibright.com Sat Dec 13 17:21:50 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Dec 13 17:22:03 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Letovani krystalu Message-ID: <20031213182150.A31785@beton.cybernet.src> Cau lidi Nevite prosimvas jestli je korektni priletovat krystal za tu jeho cepicku? Znate nekdo skladovaci teploty tech beznych krystalu? V katalogu GM to nepisou. Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Dec 13 18:21:17 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Dec 13 18:21:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Letovani krystalu In-Reply-To: <20031213182150.A31785@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031213182150.A31785@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200312131921.19250.ladmanj@volny.cz> Ano to se dela, ale opatrnosti neni nikdy dost, lepsi predem pouzdro dobre ocistit aby to nebylo treba dlouho hrat. Presne udaje o maximalnich teplotach nevim, ale zkus www.krystaly.cz treba tam neco najdes. Dne so 13. prosince 2003 18:21 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Cau lidi > > Nevite prosimvas jestli je korektni priletovat krystal za tu jeho cepicku? > Znate nekdo skladovaci teploty tech beznych krystalu? V katalogu GM to > nepisou. > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Dec 13 19:23:49 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Dec 13 19:25:19 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Letovani krystalu References: <20031213182150.A31785@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <000601c3c1ae$a4088d40$0101a8c0@cz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: [Ronja] Letovani krystalu > Cau lidi > > Nevite prosimvas jestli je korektni priletovat krystal za tu jeho cepicku? Ja to tak delal a bez problemu....ale chce to jen "kratce" prihravat tu "cepicku" , jinak se krystal poskodi. > Znate nekdo skladovaci teploty tech beznych krystalu? V katalogu GM to nepisou. Na tohle by ti mohli fundovane odpovedet na : http://home.tiscali.cz/cz547752/ Martin > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From ladmanj at volny.cz Sat Dec 13 19:28:43 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Sat Dec 13 19:28:50 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Letovani krystalu In-Reply-To: <000601c3c1ae$a4088d40$0101a8c0@cz> References: <20031213182150.A31785@beton.cybernet.src> <000601c3c1ae$a4088d40$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <200312132028.43582.ladmanj@volny.cz> Hehe byl jsem rychlejsi a znam novou adresu :-P Jakub From clock at twibright.com Sat Dec 13 19:32:00 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Dec 13 19:32:04 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Letovani krystalu In-Reply-To: <200312131921.19250.ladmanj@volny.cz>; from ladmanj@volny.cz on Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 07:21:17PM +0100 References: <20031213182150.A31785@beton.cybernet.src> <200312131921.19250.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20031213203200.A32054@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 07:21:17PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Ano to se dela, ale opatrnosti neni nikdy dost, lepsi predem pouzdro dobre > ocistit aby to nebylo treba dlouho hrat. > Presne udaje o maximalnich teplotach nevim, ale zkus www.krystaly.cz treba tam > neco najdes. Jo videl jsem to na nejaky sitovce tak priletovany ale nevedel jsem jestli to treba nekdo nejak neopravoval nebo tak nejak. No ocisteny to mam, jasne :) Tak to se asi letovat da, super :) Cl< From simandl at mujmail.cz Mon Dec 15 01:56:48 2003 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Mon Dec 15 01:57:51 2003 Subject: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja In-Reply-To: <7719584961.20031209224952@volny.cz> References: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> <7719584961.20031209224952@volny.cz> Message-ID: <3FDD14E0.7010007@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, j? jsem o tom mluvil s klukama a nic jako maxim?ln? vzd?lenost a nebo nap?t? na RSSI nikdo nem??il. D?vod, pro? to tak je, je ten ?e to nikoho z n?s nenapadlo (v?echno je jednou poprv?). Je to chyba a j? to v?m. V podstat? to znemo??uje porovn?n? s ??mkoliv jin?m. Pokus?m se to napravit a d?m v?d?t, ale probl?m je v tom, ?e Martin to hned po o?iven? sbalil a odvezl do ?el?kovic. S?ma Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj, > pekny. Ale mate to porovnany s original vrabcim hnizdem? Mohu pro > porovnani zapujcit Rx vrabci hnizdo, Rx vlastni tistak schvaleny na > FELu, Rx na skontorpove DPS nefunkci a (po dohode s StB ) Rx na > skontorpove DPS funkci. > > BTW: Muj DPS dosah bez optiky 2m > Vrabci hnizdo dosah bez optiky 4m > > Je to peklo :-) > > OndraT > > PS> Ahoj, > PS> koukn?te na > PS> http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > PS> je to o elektronice. Na mechaniku se Martin pr?v? te? chyst?. > PS> T?eba to n?komu pom??e. Pepa se o t?ch jeho plo???c?ch vyj?d?il > PS> ?e si s nima "m??e d?lat kdo chce co chce". > PS> hezk? den > > PS> Hi, please look at page above. There is an overview of our > PS> ronja electronics. Mechanics is in progress. Pepa (the UTP pcb > PS> author) said it "can be used by anyone for any purpose". > PS> have a nice day From simandl at mujmail.cz Mon Dec 15 01:59:16 2003 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Mon Dec 15 01:59:19 2003 Subject: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja In-Reply-To: <7719584961.20031209224952@volny.cz> References: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> <7719584961.20031209224952@volny.cz> Message-ID: <3FDD1574.2040308@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, d?k za nab?dku. J? se pokus?m zajistit zp?t na?e verze a dal bych ti v?d?t a porovnali bysme to. S?ma Ondrej Tesar wrote: > Ahoj, > pekny. Ale mate to porovnany s original vrabcim hnizdem? Mohu pro > porovnani zapujcit Rx vrabci hnizdo, Rx vlastni tistak schvaleny na > FELu, Rx na skontorpove DPS nefunkci a (po dohode s StB ) Rx na > skontorpove DPS funkci. > > BTW: Muj DPS dosah bez optiky 2m > Vrabci hnizdo dosah bez optiky 4m > > Je to peklo :-) > > OndraT > > PS> Ahoj, > PS> koukn?te na > PS> http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > PS> je to o elektronice. Na mechaniku se Martin pr?v? te? chyst?. > PS> T?eba to n?komu pom??e. Pepa se o t?ch jeho plo???c?ch vyj?d?il > PS> ?e si s nima "m??e d?lat kdo chce co chce". > PS> hezk? den > > PS> Hi, please look at page above. There is an overview of our > PS> ronja electronics. Mechanics is in progress. Pepa (the UTP pcb > PS> author) said it "can be used by anyone for any purpose". > PS> have a nice day From bratrk at centrum.cz Mon Dec 15 12:14:49 2003 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Mon Dec 15 12:14:58 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Kde se necha koupit 130mm cocka? References: <20031201172056Z108728-28706+1151026@mail.centrum.cz> <20031201190925.A21138@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <001f01c3c305$09654370$020a210a@marekbk> A nebo je maji na stanku asi o 10m dal. Od vchodu na te hlavni tride vpravo asi 3-4 stanek po leve strane. Dnes jsem probehl celou trznici a jedine ne techhle dvou mistech je maji ve vetsim mnozstvi a jsou jimi docela dobre zasobeni. Daji se usmlouvat na 68 kc/ks. > > Pokud mozno v Brne, > > nebo v Holesovicky trznici v Praze - mohli byste nekdo blize popsat > > kde? > > Vetsinou to bejva hlavni vchod a hned doprava asi 3 metry. Pokud to tam nemaj > tak bud to nemaj vubec (nekdy je nemaj, spektrum signalu udavajici jestli > je maj nebo ne ma podle me nejsilnejsi spektralni komponenty okolo 1/tyden) > a nebo je maj na jinym stanku nahodne zapadlym kdesi v hlubi trznice. > From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 15 13:44:21 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Dec 15 13:44:27 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Kde se necha koupit 130mm cocka? In-Reply-To: <001f01c3c305$09654370$020a210a@marekbk>; from bratrk@centrum.cz on Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 01:14:49PM +0100 References: <20031201172056Z108728-28706+1151026@mail.centrum.cz> <20031201190925.A21138@beton.cybernet.src> <001f01c3c305$09654370$020a210a@marekbk> Message-ID: <20031215144421.A513@beton.cybernet.src> > Dnes jsem probehl celou trznici a jedine ne techhle dvou mistech je maji ve > vetsim mnozstvi a jsou jimi docela dobre zasobeni. > Daji se usmlouvat na 68 kc/ks. Zda se ze cena Ronji pomalu klesa ;-) Cl< From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 15 21:18:40 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Dec 15 21:18:46 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Vortex 3c900 passing driver parameters In-Reply-To: <20031110113535.10fdd499.rddunlap@osdl.org>; from rddunlap@osdl.org on Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:35:35AM -0800 References: <20031108141059.62366af9.rddunlap@osdl.org> <20031108232730.A905@beton.cybernet.src> <20031110113535.10fdd499.rddunlap@osdl.org> Message-ID: <20031215221840.A179@beton.cybernet.src> Hi Randy I have just got to testing this patch because I needed to switch my NIC from AUI to TP. It seems to work fine. The card was set to AUI using the DOS-diskette utility. During kernel setup the card was switched over to TP. dmesg: 3c59x: Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html TEST: 3c59x: using option = 0x200 See Documentation/networking/vortex.txt 01:05.0: 3Com PCI 3c900 Boomerang 10Mbps Combo at 0xc400. Vers LK1.1.18-ac 00:60:97:93:da:6c, IRQ 11 product code 484a rev 00.0 date 02-09-97 Internal config register is 1302d8, transceivers 0xe138. 8K word-wide RAM 3:5 Rx:Tx split, 10Mbs AUI interface. 01:05.0: Media override to transceiver type 0 (10baseT). Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives. 01:05.0: scatter/gather enabled. h/w checksums disabled eth0: Dropping NETIF_F_SG since no checksum feature. Regards, Cl< ------------------- (The patch follows) ------------------- description: enable boot-time command-line options for 3c59x changelog: use dev_alloc_name() to allocate an interface name, then call netdev_boot_setup_check() to check for boot options for that interface; maintainer: akpm et al product_versions: Linux 2.4.22 patch_name: 3c59x-boot-setup.patch author: Randy.Dunlap patch_version: 2003-11-08.14:01:21 diffstat:= drivers/net/3c59x.c | 18 ++++++++++++++++-- 1 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff -Naurp ./drivers/net/3c59x.c~boot-setup ./drivers/net/3c59x.c --- ./drivers/net/3c59x.c~boot-setup 2003-08-25 04:44:42.000000000 -0700 +++ ./drivers/net/3c59x.c 2003-11-08 13:54:40.000000000 -0800 @@ -250,6 +250,7 @@ static int vortex_debug = 1; #include #include #include +#include #include #include #include @@ -1017,13 +1018,24 @@ static int __devinit vortex_probe1(struc SET_MODULE_OWNER(dev); vp = dev->priv; + rtnl_lock(); + + retval = dev_alloc_name(dev, dev->name); + if (retval < 0) + goto err_free_unlock; + + rtnl_unlock(); + + netdev_boot_setup_check(dev); + /* The lower four bits are the media type. */ if (dev->mem_start) { /* * The 'options' param is passed in as the third arg to the - * LILO 'ether=' argument for non-modular use + * LILO 'ether=' or 'netdev=' argument for non-modular use */ option = dev->mem_start; + printk ("TEST: 3c59x: using option = 0x%x\n", option); } else if (card_idx < MAX_UNITS) option = options[card_idx]; @@ -1351,8 +1363,10 @@ free_ring: free_region: if (vp->must_free_region) release_region(ioaddr, vci->io_size); - kfree (dev); +err_free_unlock: printk(KERN_ERR PFX "vortex_probe1 fails. Returns %d\n", retval); + rtnl_unlock(); + kfree (dev); out: return retval; } From bratrk at centrum.cz Tue Dec 16 08:45:41 2003 From: bratrk at centrum.cz (bratrk) Date: Tue Dec 16 08:45:42 2003 Subject: [Ronja] lepsi LEDky - jsou pouzitelne? References: <5113157052.20031205000520@volny.cz> Message-ID: <004901c3c3b0$fc913120$020a210a@marekbk> Ma tedy nekdo koupene uz ty HPWT-BH00-H4000? Jestli ano a jestli mate nejaky kus navic tak 4ks bych si na otestovani vzal. V Rystonu jich pod 1000,- kc neprodaji :-(.. > HPWT-BD00-E4000 je silnejsia verzia obycajnej HPWT-BD00-00000, este silnejsia je F4000 > > HPWT-BH00 ma tiez E4000, F4000 ktore maju rovnaky vykon ako BD00 ale BH00 sa vyraba aj G4000 a H4000 > > Podla datasheetu lumiled maju: > 00000 1.5lm 3cd > D4000 2-4.8lm 4-9.6cd > E4000 2.5-6.1lm 5-12.2cd > F4000 3-7.3lm 6-14.6cd > G4000 3.5-9.7lm 7-19.4cd > H4000 4-12lm 8-24cd > > teda H4000 by mala byt skoro 2x silnejsia ako E4000 > Cau > > Jsou tyto LEDky primo pouzitelne pro Tx? Zpusobi ocekavane zvyseni > dosahu? > > OndraT From hollari1 at gmx.at Tue Dec 16 12:28:59 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Tue Dec 16 12:29:07 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs References: Message-ID: <2355.1071577739@www2.gmx.net> HI everyone ! Can someone understand czech and english or czech and german ? I' ve built 2 TP-Ronjas ("flying") and have some problems with it. (from the schematics from sivilie) Now I followed this forum quiete a while and found out this link : http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm There are also some PCBs for TP-Ronjas. Can someone tell me, if they are single- or double-sided ? And if they also include the modifications ? I don't understand a word czech, so the text is not very useful for me. :-( Thank you a lot also for every small information ! Greetings, Sigi -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung f?r MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 16 12:48:45 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 16 12:51:05 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs References: <2355.1071577739@www2.gmx.net> Message-ID: <006501c3c3d2$f4d42c40$0101a8c0@cz> Hi Sigi, world language is Czech no English ;) ..... this humor ... ;) -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sigfried Hollrigl" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs > > > HI everyone ! > > Can someone understand czech and english or czech and german ? > > I' ve built 2 TP-Ronjas ("flying") and have some problems with it. > (from the schematics from sivilie) > > Now I followed this forum quiete a while and found out this link : > > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > > There are also some PCBs for TP-Ronjas. > > Can someone tell me, if they are single- or double-sided ? > And if they also include the modifications ? > > I don't understand a word czech, so the text is not very useful for me. > :-( > > Thank you a lot also for every small information ! > > Greetings, > Sigi > > -- > +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More +++ > Neu: Preissenkung f?r MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 16 13:06:25 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 16 13:07:59 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs References: <2355.1071577739@www2.gmx.net> Message-ID: <007201c3c3d5$6912dc80$0101a8c0@cz> You testing translate: http://slovnik.seznam.cz -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sigfried Hollrigl" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs > > > HI everyone ! > > Can someone understand czech and english or czech and german ? > > I' ve built 2 TP-Ronjas ("flying") and have some problems with it. > (from the schematics from sivilie) > > Now I followed this forum quiete a while and found out this link : > > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > > There are also some PCBs for TP-Ronjas. > > Can someone tell me, if they are single- or double-sided ? > And if they also include the modifications ? > > I don't understand a word czech, so the text is not very useful for me. > :-( > > Thank you a lot also for every small information ! > > Greetings, > Sigi > > -- > +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More +++ > Neu: Preissenkung f?r MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From martin.stachon at tiscali.cz Tue Dec 16 13:18:10 2003 From: martin.stachon at tiscali.cz (Martin Stachon) Date: Tue Dec 16 13:18:24 2003 Subject: [OT] Re: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs References: <2355.1071577739@www2.gmx.net> <006501c3c3d2$f4d42c40$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <001801c3c3d7$11043820$1d18980a@ova.czf> Umm according to your English it would seem so... I think everyone should write their websites in English, and then, in spare time, the other languages. Or to not bother to translate them at all, like Clock ;-) Regards, Martin Stachon martin.stachon (at) tiscali.cz http://www.webpark.cz/stachon ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=RYS=-" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs Hi Sigi, world language is Czech no English ;) ..... this humor ... ;) -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sigfried Hollrigl" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs > > > HI everyone ! > > Can someone understand czech and english or czech and german ? > > I' ve built 2 TP-Ronjas ("flying") and have some problems with it. > (from the schematics from sivilie) > > Now I followed this forum quiete a while and found out this link : > > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > > There are also some PCBs for TP-Ronjas. > > Can someone tell me, if they are single- or double-sided ? > And if they also include the modifications ? > > I don't understand a word czech, so the text is not very useful for me. > :-( > > Thank you a lot also for every small information ! > > Greetings, > Sigi > > -- > +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More +++ > Neu: Preissenkung f?r MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > _______________________________________________ Ronja mailing list Ronja@lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 16 14:06:19 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 16 14:06:41 2003 Subject: [OT] Re: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs In-Reply-To: <001801c3c3d7$11043820$1d18980a@ova.czf>; from martin.stachon@tiscali.cz on Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 02:18:10PM +0100 References: <2355.1071577739@www2.gmx.net> <006501c3c3d2$f4d42c40$0101a8c0@cz> <001801c3c3d7$11043820$1d18980a@ova.czf> Message-ID: <20031216150619.B722@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 02:18:10PM +0100, Martin Stachon wrote: > Umm according to your English it would seem so... > > I think everyone should write their websites in English, and then, > in spare time, the other languages. Or to not bother to > translate them at all, like Clock ;-) If someone would be so kind and translate the web, it would be good. But there is no time for translation - it's very time consuming and the development of TP interface must be carried out. Daniel Hrotek made some translation but it is wrong. For example he fused silica gel and silicone sealant into some single mysterious substance called "silikonovy gel". They are two absolutely different substances used in different places in Ronja :) Moreover, the master Ronja web from which the translation has been done is awfully obsolete. Cl< > > Regards, > Martin Stachon > > martin.stachon (at) tiscali.cz > http://www.webpark.cz/stachon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "-=RYS=-" > To: "Twibright Ronja" > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs > > > Hi Sigi, world language is Czech no English ;) > > ..... this humor ... ;) > > -=RYS=- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sigfried Hollrigl" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:28 PM > Subject: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs > > > > > > > > HI everyone ! > > > > Can someone understand czech and english or czech and german ? > > > > I' ve built 2 TP-Ronjas ("flying") and have some problems with it. > > (from the schematics from sivilie) > > > > Now I followed this forum quiete a while and found out this link : > > > > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > > > > There are also some PCBs for TP-Ronjas. > > > > Can someone tell me, if they are single- or double-sided ? > > And if they also include the modifications ? > > > > I don't understand a word czech, so the text is not very useful for me. > > :-( > > > > Thank you a lot also for every small information ! > > > > Greetings, > > Sigi > > > > -- > > +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More +++ > > Neu: Preissenkung f?r MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ronja mailing list > > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From simandl at mujmail.cz Tue Dec 16 14:25:47 2003 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Tue Dec 16 14:25:15 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Ronja Schematics and PCBs In-Reply-To: <2355.1071577739@www2.gmx.net> References: <2355.1071577739@www2.gmx.net> Message-ID: <3FDF15EB.5070303@mujmail.cz> Hi Sigi, as you can see on picture http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/utp/0.2/ronja_brd.png it is designed to be one side. There are four red connections that should be connected by wire. Sorry for that there is no english version but there is no time to do it. But pictures are there so please keep clicking on everything and you will get it :) About modifications. There is a schematic available http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/utp/0.2/ronja_sch.png so it should not be a problem to see that only C5 and IC1B has been changed. All other is based on silvije http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/others/silvije/tpmod12mala_col.png regards Petr Sigfried Hollrigl napsal(a): > > HI everyone ! > > Can someone understand czech and english or czech and german ? > > I' ve built 2 TP-Ronjas ("flying") and have some problems with it. > (from the schematics from sivilie) > > Now I followed this forum quiete a while and found out this link : > > http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm > > There are also some PCBs for TP-Ronjas. > > Can someone tell me, if they are single- or double-sided ? > And if they also include the modifications ? > > I don't understand a word czech, so the text is not very useful for me. > :-( > > Thank you a lot also for every small information ! > > Greetings, > Sigi > From boza2 at volny.cz Tue Dec 16 20:40:52 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Tue Dec 16 20:41:19 2003 Subject: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja In-Reply-To: <3FDD14E0.7010007@mujmail.cz> References: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> <7719584961.20031209224952@volny.cz> <3FDD14E0.7010007@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: <1065426572.20031216214052@volny.cz> To chapu, prvotni nadseni z toho, ze to funguje :-) Zajimalo by me, na jak dalko planuji to nasazeni v Cakovicich. Protoze se muze stat ze na kratke vzdalenosti (400-500m) to pojede, ale na vetsi si myslim ze ne. Rad bych se mylil. :-) Jsem zvedav na dalsi poznatky. OndraT PS> Ahoj, PS> j? jsem o tom mluvil s klukama a nic jako maxim?ln? vzd?lenost a PS> nebo nap?t? na RSSI nikdo nem??il. D?vod, pro? to tak je, je ten ?e to? PS> nikoho z n?s nenapadlo (v?echno je jednou poprv?). Je to chyba a j? to? PS> v?m. V podstat? to znemo??uje porovn?n? s ??mkoliv jin?m. PS> Pokus?m se to napravit a d?m v?d?t, ale probl?m je v tom, ?e Martin to PS> hned po o?iven? sbalil a odvezl do ?el?kovic. PS> S?ma PS> Ondrej Tesar wrote: >> Ahoj, >> pekny. Ale mate to porovnany s original vrabcim hnizdem? Mohu pro >> porovnani zapujcit Rx vrabci hnizdo, Rx vlastni tistak schvaleny na >> FELu, Rx na skontorpove DPS nefunkci a (po dohode s StB ) Rx na >> skontorpove DPS funkci. >> >> BTW: Muj DPS dosah bez optiky 2m >> Vrabci hnizdo dosah bez optiky 4m >> >> Je to peklo :-) >> >> OndraT >> >> PS> Ahoj, >> PS> koukn?te na >> PS> http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm >> PS> je to o elektronice. Na mechaniku se Martin pr?v? te? chyst?. >> PS> T?eba to n?komu pom??e. Pepa se o t?ch jeho plo???c?ch vyj?d?il >> PS> ?e si s nima "m??e d?lat kdo chce co chce". >> PS> hezk? den >> >> PS> Hi, please look at page above. There is an overview of our >> PS> ronja electronics. Mechanics is in progress. Pepa (the UTP pcb >> PS> author) said it "can be used by anyone for any purpose". >> PS> have a nice day PS> _______________________________________________ PS> Ronja mailing list PS> Ronja@lists.pointless.net PS> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From hollari1 at gmx.at Wed Dec 17 12:33:49 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Wed Dec 17 12:33:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] for Petr Simandl and Clock References: Message-ID: <26292.1071664429@www64.gmx.net> Hi, Petr ! Hi Clock ! Thx for your answers ! So if i understood everything right, i can use now the "original" RX and TX modules with this TP-Circuit on the PCB ?!? Clock : Why are you still developing the TP-Interface, when it's already working ?!? Pls. tell me, what's going on ! Greetings, Sigi -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung f?r MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 17 13:05:49 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 17 13:05:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] for Petr Simandl and Clock In-Reply-To: <26292.1071664429@www64.gmx.net>; from hollari1@gmx.at on Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 01:33:49PM +0100 References: <26292.1071664429@www64.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20031217140549.A15544@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 01:33:49PM +0100, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > Hi, Petr ! > Hi Clock ! > > Thx for your answers ! > > So if i understood everything right, i can use now > the "original" RX and TX modules with this TP-Circuit > on the PCB ?!? > > Clock : > Why are you still developing the TP-Interface, when it's > already working ?!? I am doing an official development that will be guaranteed to work. Cl< From simandl at mujmail.cz Wed Dec 17 22:55:48 2003 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Thu Dec 18 02:18:22 2003 Subject: [Ronja] for Petr Simandl and Clock In-Reply-To: <20031217140549.A15544@beton.cybernet.src> References: <26292.1071664429@www64.gmx.net> <20031217140549.A15544@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <3FE0DEF4.10601@mujmail.cz> Hi Sigi, yes we have used RX and TX from "original" AUI ronja. At our desk it worked but there are "just" four samples. Clock is right that he need to be 100% sure before he will suggest it to others as an "UTP Ronja" That's life and if you are impatient you can build it just now. My personal feeling is that we can be 99% sure it works. The principle is definitely O.K. but there is now problem, in my opinion, with such "a stupid things" like missing autonegotiation or with the component IC10 filter/transformer that we got from an old NIC and we know that there exists more pin incompatible versions of this component. See IC10 in fig http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/utp/0.2/ronja_sch.png regards Petr Karel Kulhav? wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 01:33:49PM +0100, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: >>Hi, Petr ! >>Hi Clock ! >> >>Thx for your answers ! >> >>So if i understood everything right, i can use now >>the "original" RX and TX modules with this TP-Circuit >>on the PCB ?!? >> >>Clock : >>Why are you still developing the TP-Interface, when it's >>already working ?!? > > I am doing an official development that will be guaranteed to work. > Cl< From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Dec 18 12:24:18 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Thu Dec 18 12:24:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Ronja Digest, Vol 8, Issue 21 References: Message-ID: <12380.1071750258@www67.gmx.net> Does this mean, that the Circuits on the PCB from Petr Simandl still have some problems ? What i understood till now, they are already working somewhere. Best regards, Sigi -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung f?r MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 18 15:09:13 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Dec 18 15:09:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Adapter do zasuvky Message-ID: <20031218160913.A20610@beton.cybernet.src> Nevite nekdo, podle ceho se pozna u adapteru ktery sem koupil v GMu na napajeni TP interfacu, jestli je nejak z pravniho hlediska garantovana jeho bezpecnost pri provozu bez dozoru? a) ESC znak to na sobe nema b) Cesky neni na krabicce ani slovo Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Thu Dec 18 15:13:55 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Thu Dec 18 15:14:09 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Adapter do zasuvky In-Reply-To: <20031218160913.A20610@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031218160913.A20610@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200312181613.55220.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Dne ?t 18. prosince 2003 16:09 Karel Kulhav? napsal(a): > Nevite nekdo, podle ceho se pozna u adapteru ktery sem koupil v GMu na > napajeni TP interfacu, jestli je nejak z pravniho hlediska garantovana jeho > bezpecnost pri provozu bez dozoru? > Prodejce by ti mel dat na pozadani prohlaseni o shode. Pokud ho nebude mit, nebo se bude cukat, pak to asi neproslo nasi zkusebnou a pouziti bude na valstni triko. -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 18 16:04:47 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Dec 18 16:04:51 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Adapter do zasuvky In-Reply-To: <200312181613.55220.zapadlo@melzer.cz>; from zapadlo@melzer.cz on Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 04:13:55PM +0100 References: <20031218160913.A20610@beton.cybernet.src> <200312181613.55220.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20031218170447.A20649@beton.cybernet.src> On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 04:13:55PM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Dne ??t 18. prosince 2003 16:09 Karel Kulhav?? napsal(a): > > Nevite nekdo, podle ceho se pozna u adapteru ktery sem koupil v GMu na > > napajeni TP interfacu, jestli je nejak z pravniho hlediska garantovana jeho > > bezpecnost pri provozu bez dozoru? > > > > Prodejce by ti mel dat na pozadani prohlaseni o shode. Pokud ho nebude mit, > nebo se bude cukat, pak to asi neproslo nasi zkusebnou a pouziti bude na > valstni triko. Tak jsem volal do GMu a ptal se na prohlaseni o shode a dozvedel se ze, na papirku z pokladny se pise "Ve smyslu ust.$13 zakona c. 22/97 sb. Vas ujistujeme, ze na zbozi, ktere podleha zakonu 22/1997 bylo vystaveno prohlaseni o shode.", coz se tam skutecne pise :) A dal ze v maloobchodni prodejne muzu to prohlaseni dostat, ale ze se za to plati 100Kc. Zrejme se jedna o $13 odst. 5 pismeno b: "...Distributor [maloobchodni prodejce] je povinen kazdemu na jeho zadnost na naklady zadatele nejdele do 20 dnu vydat distributorem potvrzenou kopii". Taky jsem zjistil ze na adapteru je znacka "CE" o ktery se v nakejch tehle zakonech mluvilo - tahle znacka teda tady v Cechach plati jako ze ten vyrobek je certifikovanej na bezpecnost? Ze bych usetril 100 Kc ;-) Pobavilo me ale o par odstavcu dal: "Urad [...] ulozi pokutu do vyse 1 milionu Kc tomu, kdo [...] neopravnene rozmnozil nebo rozsiril normu [...]" :) #define norma ceska technicka norma ($1 c) ) Cl< > > -- > Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo > > > Ing. Petr Zapadlo > vedouc?? odd??len?? syst??mov?? podpory > Melzer, spol. s r.o. > Doln?? 71, 796 01 Prost??jov > tel: 582 330 301 > fax: 582 330 302 > mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz > http://www.melzer.cz > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From rojoc at hotmail.com Thu Dec 18 17:17:39 2003 From: rojoc at hotmail.com (Gonzalo Gil) Date: Thu Dec 18 17:17:55 2003 Subject: [Ronja] RE: Autonegotiation and TP transformer Message-ID: Hi, How can you make ronja support autonegotiation if you are faking the link integrity pulses? My suggestion is to modify the system to make it possible to transmit and receive these pulses. I managed to do that using a laser pointer-based transmiter but maybe it can be done with leds too. I also changed the receiver: the first stage is a transimpedance amplifier (made with and op amp) and the second stage is a common emitter (BF199 transistor) followed by a 74HC14. As to the transformer, It's absolutely necessary? Gonzalo >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:55:48 +0100 >From: Petr Simandl >Subject: Re: [Ronja] for Petr Simandl and Clock >To: Twibright Ronja >Message-ID: <3FE0DEF4.10601@mujmail.cz> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi Sigi, > yes we have used RX and TX from "original" AUI ronja. At our desk it >worked but there are "just" four samples. >Clock is right that he need to be 100% sure before he will suggest it to >others as an "UTP Ronja" >That's life and if you are impatient you can build it just now. > >My personal feeling is that we can be 99% sure it works. The principle >is definitely O.K. but there is now problem, in my opinion, with such >"a stupid things" like missing autonegotiation or with the component >IC10 filter/transformer that we got from an old NIC and we know that >there exists more pin incompatible versions of this component. >See IC10 in fig >http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/utp/0.2/ronja_sch.png _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From klapek at kki.net.pl Thu Dec 18 18:09:15 2003 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Thu Dec 18 18:09:33 2003 Subject: [Ronja] RE: Autonegotiation and TP transformer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200312181909.15612.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Thursday 18 December 2003 18:17, Gonzalo Gil wrote: > I also changed the receiver: the first stage is a transimpedance amplifier > (made with and op amp) and the second stage is a common emitter (BF199 > transistor) followed by a 74HC14. What op-amp did you use? Doesn't the 74HC14 produce too much garbage on power supply lines that could make the analog part go nuts? > As to the transformer, It's absolutely necessary? I believe so, if you want to comply to the standard. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From cbedison at centrum.cz Thu Dec 18 21:13:32 2003 From: cbedison at centrum.cz (cbedison@centrum.cz) Date: Thu Dec 18 23:49:58 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Adapter do zasuvky Message-ID: <20031218211344Z156240-15560+40961@mail.centrum.cz> zdravim, > Taky jsem zjistil ze na adapteru je znacka "CE" o ktery se v nakejch tehle > zakonech mluvilo - tahle znacka teda tady v Cechach plati jako ze ten vyrobek > je certifikovanej na bezpecnost? Ze bych usetril 100 Kc ;- Ne, CE znamena, ze vyrobek splnuje normy z hlediska elektromagneticke kompatibility - tj. ze neni ruseno ani nerusi dalsi zarizeni. S bezpecnosti nema nic spolecneho. Edison Radotin cbedison[at]centrum[dot]cz http://www.edison-radotin.cz -------------------- Centrum.cz Reality: v?ce ne? 50 000 aktu?ln?ch nab?dek nemovitost? z cel? ?R! http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://reality.centrum.cz From simandl at mujmail.cz Fri Dec 19 00:36:46 2003 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Fri Dec 19 00:38:31 2003 Subject: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja In-Reply-To: <1065426572.20031216214052@volny.cz> References: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> <7719584961.20031209224952@volny.cz> <3FDD14E0.7010007@mujmail.cz> <1065426572.20031216214052@volny.cz> Message-ID: <3FE2481E.7030008@mujmail.cz> Ahoj, dneska Pepa vse znovu zapojil a bylo to docela zajimavy. Prvni modul RX mel RSSI nulove (asi je tam nekde neco spatne) a druhy uz mel v tomto smyslu vse v poradku. Obvod RSSI je jeste zapojeny postaru http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/soubory/aui/rx-sch.gif Dosah bez optiky je 1 metr a RSSI pri kterem to zacina vypadavat je kolem 40mV Da se tedy rict ze nic moc. RSSI to chce samozrejme predelat podle http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/10M_receiver_inverted.png a pak by se videlo co se zlepsi. Oni to chteji asi na 400 metru, takze je sance ze to bude chodit i bez uprav. Sima Ondrej Tesar wrote: > To chapu, > prvotni nadseni z toho, ze to funguje :-) > > Zajimalo by me, na jak dalko planuji to nasazeni v Cakovicich. > Protoze se muze stat ze na kratke vzdalenosti (400-500m) to pojede, > ale na vetsi si myslim ze ne. Rad bych se mylil. :-) > > Jsem zvedav na dalsi poznatky. > OndraT > > PS> Ahoj, > PS> j? jsem o tom mluvil s klukama a nic jako maxim?ln? vzd?lenost a > PS> nebo nap?t? na RSSI nikdo nem??il. D?vod, pro? to tak je, je ten ?e to? > PS> nikoho z n?s nenapadlo (v?echno je jednou poprv?). Je to chyba a j? to? > PS> v?m. V podstat? to znemo??uje porovn?n? s ??mkoliv jin?m. > PS> Pokus?m se to napravit a d?m v?d?t, ale probl?m je v tom, ?e Martin to > PS> hned po o?iven? sbalil a odvezl do ?el?kovic. > PS> S?ma > > PS> Ondrej Tesar wrote: > >>>Ahoj, >>>pekny. Ale mate to porovnany s original vrabcim hnizdem? Mohu pro >>>porovnani zapujcit Rx vrabci hnizdo, Rx vlastni tistak schvaleny na >>>FELu, Rx na skontorpove DPS nefunkci a (po dohode s StB ) Rx na >>>skontorpove DPS funkci. >>> >>>BTW: Muj DPS dosah bez optiky 2m >>>Vrabci hnizdo dosah bez optiky 4m >>> >>>Je to peklo :-) >>> >>>OndraT >>> >>>PS> Ahoj, >>>PS> koukn?te na >>>PS> http://www.simandl.cz/stranky/elektro/ronja/ronja.htm >>>PS> je to o elektronice. Na mechaniku se Martin pr?v? te? chyst?. >>>PS> T?eba to n?komu pom??e. Pepa se o t?ch jeho plo???c?ch vyj?d?il >>>PS> ?e si s nima "m??e d?lat kdo chce co chce". >>>PS> hezk? den >>> >>>PS> Hi, please look at page above. There is an overview of our >>>PS> ronja electronics. Mechanics is in progress. Pepa (the UTP pcb >>>PS> author) said it "can be used by anyone for any purpose". >>>PS> have a nice day From bobriks at volny.cz Fri Dec 19 03:27:56 2003 From: bobriks at volny.cz (Standa Bobrik) Date: Fri Dec 19 03:28:13 2003 Subject: [Ronja] AUI & UTP ronja In-Reply-To: <3FE2481E.7030008@mujmail.cz> References: <3FD60D84.8070309@mujmail.cz> <7719584961.20031209224952@volny.cz> <3FDD14E0.7010007@mujmail.cz> <1065426572.20031216214052@volny.cz> <3FE2481E.7030008@mujmail.cz> Message-ID: > Dosah bez optiky je 1 metr a RSSI pri kterem to zacina > vypadavat je kolem 40mV Mhmm, to bohuzel nezni prilis povzbudive. 40mV mereno digi multimetrem? Jaky ma vnitrni odpor? Ondrovy vysledky s vrabcimi hnizdy jsou mnohem lepsi. ;-| Bude to chtit vyzkouset uplne jinou koncepci RX. Sebehezci tistaky odvozene od vrabciho hnizda proste nejsou dobrou konkurenci. Kolega v praci udelal pred rokem myslim dost dobrou ideu, ktera u nej skoncila v supliku. Ale dospel k ni nezavisle na nem lada v Crusaderu. Princip je strcit fotodiodu+FET (jako vrabci hnizdo) do samostatne pocinovane minikrabicky a tu pak pripojit pres konektor (napr. z lamaci "jumperove" listy) s NE592 a dalsimi obvody, ktere uz by mohly byt ve "velke" krabicce a na plosnaku. Lada ma na SMD plosnaku (=> mensi nachylnost na indukci ruseni) vsechno vcetne PIN diody, ale prave imituje tu minikrabicku krytem z pocin. plechu, kterym kryje nejcitlivejsi vstupni obvody soustredene na PCB na co nejmensi plose. > Oni to chteji asi na 400 metru, takze je sance ze to > bude chodit i bez uprav. No prave, 400m +/- autobus je zda se prvni hranice, kde chodi prakticky jakakoliv konstrukce s Clockovymi soucastkami a cockami. Druha hranice, rekl bych do +/-600 az max.800m, chodi spolehlive s relativne bezproblemovym nastavovanim peclive konstrukce presne podle Clocka. Zejmena tedy jsou klicova ta vrabci hnizda. No a treti hranice nad 800m je sazka do loterie... ;-) Tam uz asi ma vyznam se zacit hodne bavit i o mechanicke presnosti optickych os cocek a optoprvku v TX/RX, mozna o kovovem tubusu kvuli stineni, atd. atd. Skoda, ze takoveto hranice nezverejnil Crusader team po zkusenostech ze svych instalaci. Alespon ja jsem je nejak nezaznamenal. Zajimave, ze nikdo zatim nevyzkousel zvyseni dosahu se dvema TX! No, po mych zkusenostech se ani tolik nedivim. ;-) Ale byl by to urcite zajimavy pokus. Dalsi klicovy posuv bude prechod na infra. Tam maji SFH2030 dvojnasobnou citlivost oproti cervenym LED. I s tim uz mam zkusenost. Pro "masovy" uspech Ronji to bude nezbytne. Ale pokouset se o to na vetsi vzdalenosti nad 800m ma smysl teprve az bude naprosto precizne vychytana konstrukce s viditelnejma LEDkama. Vyhlasuji pristi rok rokem vystavby mericiho polygonu! Standa -- Stedry tyden na mailVOLNY. Kontrolujte svou schranku kazdy den! From sorin_a99 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 07:46:24 2003 From: sorin_a99 at yahoo.com (popa-popescu sorin-gabriel) Date: Fri Dec 19 07:46:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] auto negotiation...far away....or..to close.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031219074624.72373.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> i saw on ronja page an link about Tp ronja with autonegotiation....Man, it really work full-duplex? Are you intend 2 make all documentation disponible over internet or it.s something like ''half images''?.. What chances do we have 2 transform our half models with your full-duplex model? Anyway, tks..(i studied auto negotiation,but i have no ack. about pic's and..other stuff like these.) Auto negotiation is important for an device like TP Ronja if you have 2 LAN's over it.(if nic's are configured with auto and ronja is plugged into switches,link will be half and some switches cause some problems with half links-Edimax,Surecom...) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 19 09:49:21 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Dec 19 09:49:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Price info in partlists / ceny v seznamu soucastek Message-ID: <20031219104921.A16911@beton.cybernet.src> Dopsal jem do skriptu bom.c (http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/bom.c) aby to pocitalo ceny soucastek a celkovou cenu. I have added into bom.c script (http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/bom.c) feature to calculate parts' prices and total price (in CZK). Takze vsechny seznamy soucastek tohle ted v sobe automaticky maji. Priklad: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis1.components.cz So that all partlists will have this feature from now, automatically generated. Example: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis1.components Cl< From discover at fly.srk.fer.hr Fri Dec 19 10:03:25 2003 From: discover at fly.srk.fer.hr (Silvije) Date: Fri Dec 19 10:03:29 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP trafo selection guide Message-ID: Hello all! There is small HOWTO on http://vc.rdlab.carnet.hr/silvije/tpxfrm.htm I hope it helps someone... Silvije From marcin at mmj.pl Fri Dec 19 10:20:03 2003 From: marcin at mmj.pl (Marcin J.) Date: Fri Dec 19 10:10:26 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Price info in partlists / ceny v seznamu soucastek References: <20031219104921.A16911@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <002301c3c619$ab604140$141ea8c0@dtssa2.pl> Witam! Hallo! Pisze z Polski. Ps?t z Polsko. Ich bin aus Polen. Jsem jev?c? z?jem laser transmise data-informace Jestem zainteresowany laserowa transmisja danych : Jak jest cena tego urzadzenia? Jak jest cena tego ?stroj?? Wi viel kostet? Czy sa inne model ? (100mb?, >1km?). Wie sind ein Model? Chcialbym kupic gotowe urzadzenia. Jaki jest Pana nr tel? Pozdrowienia! Marcin Janos PHU MMJ 41-106 Siemianowice Slaskie Pl.Boh.Wrzesnia 2 tel.: +48 32 765-20-59 mobile: +48 692-400-696 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:49 AM Subject: [Ronja] Price info in partlists / ceny v seznamu soucastek > Dopsal jem do skriptu bom.c (http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/bom.c) > aby to pocitalo ceny soucastek a celkovou cenu. > > I have added into bom.c script (http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/bom.c) > feature to calculate parts' prices and total price (in CZK). > > Takze vsechny seznamy soucastek tohle ted v sobe automaticky maji. Priklad: > http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis1.components.cz > > So that all partlists will have this feature from now, automatically generated. > Example: http://ronja.twibright.com/schematics/metropolis1.components > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From rojoc at hotmail.com Fri Dec 19 12:11:00 2003 From: rojoc at hotmail.com (Gonzalo Gil) Date: Fri Dec 19 12:11:22 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Op amp and digital garbage Message-ID: Hi Tomek, The op amp I'm using is an AD8056 from analog devices. I couldn't find this part in local stores (I'm in Buenos Aires, Argentina) so I asked for samples. In the near future I'd like to change the design so I could use more easy-to-find parts. To avoid the noise due to conmutation in digital parts, you should separate the digital power supply from the analog power supply with a choke. Gonzalo >Message: 6 >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:09:15 +0100 >From: Tomasz Koprowski >Subject: Re: [Ronja] RE: Autonegotiation and TP transformer >To: Twibright Ronja >Message-ID: <200312181909.15612.klapek@kki.net.pl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" > >On Thursday 18 December 2003 18:17, Gonzalo Gil wrote: > > > I also changed the receiver: the first stage is a transimpedance >amplifier > > (made with and op amp) and the second stage is a common emitter (BF199 > > transistor) followed by a 74HC14. > >What op-amp did you use? Doesn't the 74HC14 produce too much garbage >on power supply lines that could make the analog part go nuts? > > > As to the transformer, It's absolutely necessary? > >I believe so, if you want to comply to the standard. > >Regards, >Tomek Koprowski _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From hollari1 at gmx.at Fri Dec 19 13:07:48 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigfried Hollrigl) Date: Fri Dec 19 13:07:56 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface Questions (for Gonzalo Gil, Petr Simandl and Tomasz Koprowski) References: Message-ID: <31713.1071839268@www52.gmx.net> TP Interface Questions (for Gonzalo Gil, Petr Simandl and Tomasz Koprowski) Hi to all !! @ Gonzalo : How did you do this auto - negotiation for your Laser-Transmitter ? Was it some commercial circuit design, or could you provide it for us ? (maybe just for private use ?!?) When i tested my TP-Ronjas i recognized, that some TP-Devices show 10MBit, altough there is "autoconfiguration" !!!! @ Petr : I have 2 TP Ronjas ready now for some weeks. But i dont bring it to run. (On some tests i could "ping" for some time, but the data-rates were about 20kBytes/sec; after sometime, the data flow stops.) Could you provide me with some additional information ? (Which network cards were used, which transformers, do the resistors between this mc???? ICs now have to be 50 or 100 Ohms ?) I will provide a temporary Internet-Page, where i describe (with some pictures) what i have tested and what was working till now. @ Tomasz Koprowski : Do you have some schematics ? Are the recievers with your design better ? Or easier to make ? @ everyone : The other thing is : I think that my 10/100 Switch only supports : 10 MBit Halfduplex and 100 MBit Fullduplex :-( Greetings Sigi -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung f?r MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net From polous at katka.biz Fri Dec 19 15:08:18 2003 From: polous at katka.biz (Martin Polehla) Date: Fri Dec 19 15:12:50 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Adapter do zasuvky References: <20031218160913.A20610@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <015701c3c642$8953d660$4805150a@polous> b) Co vim, tak dyz si u nas koupis vyrobek a je tam Anglicky navod, tak k nemu musi by doslovny preklad do cestiny... dyz sem makal na krame s IT, tak sem musel na kazdej cannon toner lepit cesky navod a upozorneni at to deti nepapaj.... U nekterejch vyrobku se to zas delalo tak (treba u noteboku), ze se orig. Ang. manualy (takovy spis knizky A5) zahodily a proste napsaly se novy, cesky, jednoduchy na par stranek a nenarocny na vyrobu - to delal primo velkoobch. ;) mimochodem... byl sem ve skejtshopu (snad v Torabora), prisla tam mamina a zacala vyjizdet na typy co tam makali, ze koupila synovi skejta a ze tam nebyl navod :D Mlela na ne naky paragrafy a ze tomu jako rozumi..... newim jak to s ni poresily. pOlOus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karel Kulhav?" To: "Twibright Ronja" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: [Ronja] Adapter do zasuvky > Nevite nekdo, podle ceho se pozna u adapteru ktery sem koupil v GMu na napajeni > TP interfacu, jestli je nejak z pravniho hlediska garantovana jeho bezpecnost > pri provozu bez dozoru? > > a) ESC znak to na sobe nema > b) Cesky neni na krabicce ani slovo > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 19 22:34:54 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Dec 19 22:34:52 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: Working installation in Lausanne Switzerland In-Reply-To: <3FE32698.FCA025E2@mandanet.ch>; from ndesir@mandanet.ch on Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:26:00PM +0100 References: <3FD9C6B9.EF0D5ED9@mandanet.ch> <20031212162334.A908@beton.cybernet.src> <3FE32698.FCA025E2@mandanet.ch> Message-ID: <20031219233454.A23491@beton.cybernet.src> > But I am already on the way to build a second link. Cool :) > > > [...] > > > > So the resolution of the file is to be comparable with the physical > > resolution of the image (caused by blur, smear etc.) > > Ok, I'll do my best, You can also send me the masters as they are and I'll do something with them. I am able to receive big files via e-mail. Just if you the images are blurry, it's good to downscale them somehow until they look fairly sharp - it's applicable only on images where you couldn't make from some cause (usually lack of light) make a sharp image. > - the model is electrode-welded, I don't know how many would be able > to make it, a screwed version is perhaps to be considered? Yes, or maybe both :) > - the system is made with U of 30x40x5, it is stable but very heavy > (~10Kg) > and has to be insured with a rope or something else, I my case I had > the chance to have two hooks already in the wall, but it could be > insured > with an old seat belt or a spanset (both pass window joints easely) > directly inside on a solid thing or on a 2m wood-bar that could not > fall This is also a good idea. Old seat belts should be available in car junkyard. I don't know what spanset is but found on google some Swiss firm SpanSet which manufactures various belts etc. so I suppose it's some kind of manipulation belt common in Switzerland :) > > Please describe how it works? > > I attached a small schematic in xfig and eps This is a cool idea. I have added it to the FAQ if you don't mind. Also added you to the credits :) I simply didn't get that idea, always thought the transceivers aren't a viable way :) > > > How do you avoid a packet storm on the optics? > > Sorry, but what do you call "packet storm on the optics"? > The link has of course been tested successfully in fdx. Yes, I thought you were using only one transceiver, not two. Can you send me your photos, plans, etc.? Thanks, Cl< From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 19 22:38:06 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Dec 19 22:38:11 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Connecting AUI into TP / pripojovani AUI do TP Message-ID: <20031219233806.B23491@beton.cybernet.src> Nicolas Desir from Lausanne, Switzerland developped and tested a method how to connect AUI into TP PC/managed switch. I have added his method to the FAQ. Nicolas Desir z Lausanne ve Svycarsku vymyslel a otestoval metodu jak pripojit AUI do TP v PC/manageovatelnem switchi. Pridal jsem jeho metodu do Ronja FAQ. Cl< From rojoc at hotmail.com Sat Dec 20 15:04:27 2003 From: rojoc at hotmail.com (Gonzalo Gil) Date: Sat Dec 20 15:04:35 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Autonegotiation and stuff Message-ID: Hi Sigi, First of all I must say that the system is not finished yet. At this point I only have one transmitter, one receiver and one TP interface. The autonegotiation feature in an 802.3 network consist of a sequence of link integrity pulses, if I understood it correctly. The timing involved in this sequence can be found in the 802.3 standard. My conclusion is: to make the system support autonegotiation its enough to make it able to transmit and receive a single link test pulse. As to the circuits, you can find the laser driver circuit in this page: http://www.fiber-optics.info/articles/laser-diode.htm The circuit in this web site is the "simple digital laser circuit". I added two resistors to this circuit: one between the photodiode anode and the integrator input and another in parallel with the integrator feedback capacitor. The TP interface is much less complex now. There is no 1 MHz signal and no link test pulses faking circuit. To link the interface and the transmitter and receiver I used a UTP cable so the only ICs needed at the interface are the MC3486, MC3487, the TP transformer and a couple of 74HC14 for the leds. The receiver photodiode is a BPW43 and the first stage is a transimpedance amplifier made with an AD8056. At the output of this stage I measured 300-400mVpp of signal, but it depends of the modulation depth of the laser. The following stage is a common emitter (BF199 transistor) set to amplify about 10 times. The last stage is made of an 74HC14 and a line driver. The other amplifier in the 8056 can be used to measure the signal level with a multimeter (like in ronja, the NE592 inverting output). The system now uses +/-5V power supply (no 12V). Gonzalo >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:07:48 +0100 (MET) >From: "Sigfried Hollrigl" >Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface Questions (for Gonzalo Gil, Petr Simandl > and Tomasz Koprowski) >To: ronja@lists.pointless.net >Message-ID: <31713.1071839268@www52.gmx.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >TP Interface Questions (for Gonzalo Gil, Petr Simandl and Tomasz Koprowski) > > >Hi to all !! > >@ Gonzalo : > >How did you do this auto - negotiation for your Laser-Transmitter ? >Was it some commercial circuit design, or could you provide it for us ? >(maybe just for private use ?!?) > >When i tested my TP-Ronjas i recognized, that some TP-Devices >show 10MBit, altough there is "autoconfiguration" !!!! > > > >@ Petr : > >I have 2 TP Ronjas ready now for some weeks. >But i dont bring it to run. >(On some tests i could "ping" for some time, > but the data-rates were about 20kBytes/sec; > after sometime, the data flow stops.) >Could you provide me with some additional >information ? >(Which network cards were used, which transformers, > do the resistors between this mc???? ICs now have > to be 50 or 100 Ohms ?) >I will provide a temporary Internet-Page, where i >describe (with some pictures) what i have tested >and what was working till now. > > >@ Tomasz Koprowski : > >Do you have some schematics ? >Are the recievers with your design better ? >Or easier to make ? > > >@ everyone : > >The other thing is : >I think that my 10/100 Switch >only supports : >10 MBit Halfduplex >and >100 MBit Fullduplex >:-( > > >Greetings Sigi _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Dec 21 10:53:47 2003 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Dec 21 10:53:51 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Autonegotiation and stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200312211153.47227.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Saturday 20 of December 2003 16:04, Gonzalo Gil wrote: > The TP interface is much less complex now. There is no 1 MHz signal and no > link test pulses faking circuit. To link the interface and the transmitter AFAIR the 1 MHz interpacket signal was there in order to keep the average signal level with- and without- packets constant, so that several first bits of incoming packet don't get "eaten" for charging the capacitors. If that problem doesn't occour in your design then it's even better. :) Regards, Tomek Koprowski From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Dec 21 10:58:14 2003 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Dec 21 10:58:07 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface Questions (for Gonzalo Gil, Petr Simandl and Tomasz Koprowski) In-Reply-To: <31713.1071839268@www52.gmx.net> References: <31713.1071839268@www52.gmx.net> Message-ID: <200312211158.14143.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Friday 19 of December 2003 14:07, Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > @ Tomasz Koprowski : > Do you have some schematics ? > Are the recievers with your design better ? > Or easier to make ? You seem to have overinterpreted some of my posts, ;-) I do not have at the moment a working TP design. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From rojoc at hotmail.com Sun Dec 21 13:51:55 2003 From: rojoc at hotmail.com (Gonzalo Gil) Date: Sun Dec 21 13:52:21 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Bias current and transients Message-ID: Hi Tomek, Now the DC level is set by the laser diode bias current, and the APC in the laser driver modulates the data signal around this DC level. This is the difference between the laser and the led. The led is being turned on from zero so the DC level is not set until a few pulses are sent. With a laser this transient is much shorter and no pulses are lost. I confirmed that last week by sending sequences of about 10 pulses of 5MHz and 10MHz square signal and all of them were received correctly. I think the same principle can be applied to leds: keep them half shine and modulate them from there between zero and max current. Gonzalo >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:53:47 +0100 >From: Tomasz Koprowski >Subject: Re: [Ronja] Autonegotiation and stuff >To: Twibright Ronja >Message-ID: <200312211153.47227.klapek@kki.net.pl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" > >On Saturday 20 of December 2003 16:04, Gonzalo Gil wrote: > > > The TP interface is much less complex now. There is no 1 MHz signal and >no > > link test pulses faking circuit. To link the interface and the >transmitter > >AFAIR the 1 MHz interpacket signal was there in order to keep the average >signal level with- and without- packets constant, so that several first >bits >of incoming packet don't get "eaten" for charging the capacitors. If that >problem doesn't occour in your design then it's even better. :) > >Regards, >Tomek Koprowski _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From klapek at kki.net.pl Sun Dec 21 16:25:24 2003 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Sun Dec 21 16:25:23 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Bias current and transients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200312211725.24914.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Sunday 21 of December 2003 14:51, Gonzalo Gil wrote: > Now the DC level is set by the laser diode bias current, and the APC in the > laser driver modulates the data signal around this DC level. This is the > difference between the laser and the led. Thanks for explanation. To me it seems like a really good idea. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From simandl at mujmail.cz Mon Dec 22 15:04:20 2003 From: simandl at mujmail.cz (Petr Simandl) Date: Mon Dec 22 15:04:53 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Interface Questions (for Gonzalo Gil, Petr Simandl and Tomasz Koprowski) In-Reply-To: <31713.1071839268@www52.gmx.net> References: <31713.1071839268@www52.gmx.net> Message-ID: <3FE707F4.7050506@mujmail.cz> Hi Sigi, as I remember the 20kBps & STOP data transmit problem was found by others already. It was probably due to the one NIC in full duplex mode and second NIC in half duplex mode. The best way to test NIC setting can be made by a using cross UTP cable between them. Once you will get full duplex between them you can continue with ronja. Transformer unknown (forom an old NIC), resistors 50ohms. Additional info? I have no idea but please keep in mind that general rule: "In trying to make anything functional you have to go strictly step by step." Two steps are very danger because you will never be sure which one caused the problem. Just be patient :) regards Petr Sigfried Hollrigl wrote: > TP Interface Questions (for Gonzalo Gil, Petr Simandl and Tomasz Koprowski) > > > Hi to all !! > > @ Gonzalo : > > How did you do this auto - negotiation for your Laser-Transmitter ? > Was it some commercial circuit design, or could you provide it for us ? > (maybe just for private use ?!?) > > When i tested my TP-Ronjas i recognized, that some TP-Devices > show 10MBit, altough there is "autoconfiguration" !!!! > > > > @ Petr : > > I have 2 TP Ronjas ready now for some weeks. > But i dont bring it to run. > (On some tests i could "ping" for some time, > but the data-rates were about 20kBytes/sec; > after sometime, the data flow stops.) > Could you provide me with some additional > information ? > (Which network cards were used, which transformers, > do the resistors between this mc???? ICs now have > to be 50 or 100 Ohms ?) > I will provide a temporary Internet-Page, where i > describe (with some pictures) what i have tested > and what was working till now. > > > @ Tomasz Koprowski : > > Do you have some schematics ? > Are the recievers with your design better ? > Or easier to make ? > > > @ everyone : > > The other thing is : > I think that my 10/100 Switch > only supports : > 10 MBit Halfduplex > and > 100 MBit Fullduplex > :-( > > > Greetings Sigi > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 22 21:17:08 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Dec 22 21:16:58 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 26LS32 Message-ID: <20031222221708.A2508@beton.cybernet.src> Hello Ahoj Mel by nekdo z pritomnych problem sehnat obvod 26LS32 kdyby se vyskytoval nekde v Ronje? Is here anyone who would have a problem getting the 26LS32 circuit? Cl< From klapek at kki.net.pl Tue Dec 23 13:53:12 2003 From: klapek at kki.net.pl (Tomasz Koprowski) Date: Tue Dec 23 13:52:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 26LS32 In-Reply-To: <20031222221708.A2508@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031222221708.A2508@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200312231453.12798.klapek@kki.net.pl> On Monday 22 of December 2003 22:17, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Is here anyone who would have a problem getting the 26LS32 circuit? Not a problem here. Do you plan to dump your home-brew receivers and drivers for the lines connecting the interface to TX/RX in favor of RS-422? That would be on the one hand nice - a single CAT-5 instead of two coax cables, but on the onther hand not furure-proof i.e. you can't crank the RS-422 up above 10Mbit/s. Regards, Tomek Koprowski From jakub at lysafree.net Tue Dec 23 20:46:31 2003 From: jakub at lysafree.net (Jakub Nedoma) Date: Tue Dec 23 20:46:09 2003 Subject: [Ronja] delka kabelu k AUI? Message-ID: <19550678406.20031223214631@lysafree.net> Ahoj, chtel bych se zeptat jak muze byt maximalne dlouhy kablik od AUI rozhrani sitove karty k plosnakum ronjidla? Pripadne jaky s tim mate zkusenosti... s pozdravem, Jakub Nedoma mailto:jakub@lysafree.net From jan.martinu at post.cz Tue Dec 23 21:18:08 2003 From: jan.martinu at post.cz (Jan =?iso-8859-2?q?Martin=F9?= (jan.martinu@post.cz)) Date: Tue Dec 23 21:13:22 2003 Subject: [Ronja] delka kabelu k AUI? In-Reply-To: <19550678406.20031223214631@lysafree.net> References: <19550678406.20031223214631@lysafree.net> Message-ID: <200312232218.08484.jan.martinu@post.cz> Dne ?t 23. prosince 2003 21:46 Jakub Nedoma napsal(a): > Ahoj, > > chtel bych se zeptat jak muze byt maximalne dlouhy kablik od AUI > rozhrani sitove karty k plosnakum ronjidla? Pripadne jaky s tim mate > zkusenosti... > > > s pozdravem, Jakub Nedoma > mailto:jakub@lysafree.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja 1 metr bych bral jako maximum From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 24 07:57:12 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 24 07:57:01 2003 Subject: [Ronja] delka kabelu k AUI? In-Reply-To: <19550678406.20031223214631@lysafree.net>; from jakub@lysafree.net on Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 09:46:31PM +0100 References: <19550678406.20031223214631@lysafree.net> Message-ID: <20031224085712.A215@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 09:46:31PM +0100, Jakub Nedoma wrote: > Ahoj, > > chtel bych se zeptat jak muze byt maximalne dlouhy kablik od AUI > rozhrani sitove karty k plosnakum ronjidla? Pripadne jaky s tim mate > zkusenosti... V navodu k AUI je napsany 1m. Cl< From jirka.rozumek at atlas.cz Wed Dec 24 19:42:16 2003 From: jirka.rozumek at atlas.cz (=?windows-1250?B?Smly7SBSb3p1bWVr?=) Date: Wed Dec 24 19:42:22 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Jak rozchodit Ronju pod Windows Message-ID: <8be4484b2873419b8f33f7a44d434dac@atlas.cz> Uz asi pul roku nam beha ronja, ale za celou tu dobu jsem neprisel na t= o, jak odladit ovladace=2E Jedna se o spoj linux-windows 2000server se = sitovyma kartama 3com 3c900-combo na obou stranach=2E Spoj se chova div= ne, pokud se posle floodping tak se tvari ze jede v halfduplexu, na kte= ry je nastaven, ale v realnem provozu jede tak 50kbyte/s a to jeste dos= t nepravidelne (rychlost kolisa)=2E Netusite nekdo kde by mohl byt zako= pan pes a jak to resit? _______________________________________________________________________= _________ Eurotel Data Nonstop - neomezen=FD p=F8=EDstup na internet za 649,- (s = DPH 681,45)K=E8 m=ECs=ED=E8n=EC! http://www=2Eatlas=2Ecz/clickAD=2Easp?= ad=3D43758 From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Dec 24 20:04:59 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed Dec 24 20:06:59 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Jak rozchodit Ronju pod Windows References: <8be4484b2873419b8f33f7a44d434dac@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <001301c3ca59$35bbb520$0101a8c0@cz> Co jsem u me testoval, tak se mi to chovalo podobne, kdyz jedna strana by= la na tvrdo FULL DUPLEX a druha strana AUTOnegation...... mozna , ze jedna ze sitovek chce nastavit. -=3DRYS=3D- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jir=ED Rozumek" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: [Ronja] Jak rozchodit Ronju pod Windows > Uz asi pul roku nam beha ronja, ale za celou tu dobu jsem neprisel na t= o, jak odladit ovladace. Jedna se o spoj linux-windows 2000server se sitovym= a kartama 3com 3c900-combo na obou stranach. Spoj se chova divne, pokud se posle floodping tak se tvari ze jede v halfduplexu, na ktery je nastaven, ale v realnem provozu jede tak 50kbyte/s a to jeste dost nepravidelne (rychlost kolisa). Netusite nekdo kde by mohl byt zakopan pes a jak to resit? > > _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ____ > Eurotel Data Nonstop - neomezen=FD p=F8=EDstup na internet za 649,- (s = DPH 681,45)K=E8 m=ECs=ED=E8n=EC! http://www.atlas.cz/clickAD.asp?ad=3D43758 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 24 22:25:22 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 24 22:25:11 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Jak rozchodit Ronju pod Windows In-Reply-To: <8be4484b2873419b8f33f7a44d434dac@atlas.cz>; from jirka.rozumek@atlas.cz on Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 08:42:16PM +0100 References: <8be4484b2873419b8f33f7a44d434dac@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <20031224232522.A643@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 08:42:16PM +0100, Jir? Rozumek wrote: > Uz asi pul roku nam beha ronja, ale za celou tu dobu jsem neprisel na to, jak > odladit ovladace. Jedna se o spoj linux-windows 2000server se sitovyma > kartama 3com 3c900-combo na obou stranach. Spoj se chova divne, pokud se > posle floodping tak se tvari ze jede v halfduplexu, na ktery je nastaven, ale > v realnem provozu jede tak 50kbyte/s a to jeste dost nepravidelne (rychlost > kolisa). Netusite nekdo kde by mohl byt zakopan pes a jak to resit? 50kB/s je typicka konstanta pro to kdyz je spatne nastavenej duplex (empiricky vyplynulo z prispevku na Ronja mailing listu). Cl< From jirka.rozumek at atlas.cz Thu Dec 25 10:17:57 2003 From: jirka.rozumek at atlas.cz (=?windows-1250?B?Smly7SBSb3p1bWVr?=) Date: Thu Dec 25 10:18:00 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Halfduplex Message-ID: Chodi ronja i jako halfduplex? - vsude se pise jen o fullduplexu popr=2E jak donutit windows 2000 k praci ve fullduplx - je k tomu nekde= nejaky podrobny navod? v mailing listech jsem nasel jen neco ve smyslu= zmeny registru karty - nikde ale zadny navod typu stahni tento program= , zmen todle =2E=2E=2E Jeste by me zajimalo, jake pouzivate ovladace, jestli od M$ nebo origin= al 3com _______________________________________________________________________= _________ Eurotel Data Nonstop - neomezen=FD p=F8=EDstup na internet za 649,- (s = DPH 681,45)K=E8 m=ECs=ED=E8n=EC! http://www=2Eatlas=2Ecz/clickAD=2Easp?= ad=3D43758 From hollari1 at gmx.at Thu Dec 25 14:23:59 2003 From: hollari1 at gmx.at (Sigi) Date: Thu Dec 25 14:23:56 2003 Subject: [Ronja] TP Ronja tests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?ve found out now, that the main problem why my TP-Ronja isn?t working is my laptop. (Compaq Armada M700 with built in "Intel Pro100 MiniPCI" - NIC) I can configure it either to "Auto" then it runs on 100MBit full. But when i force it to 100-Full or 10-Full, it is very hard to transmit any data over it. I will use another Computer now, and i?ll see what works ! Thx a lot to all ! From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 25 15:29:59 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Dec 25 15:29:52 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 2N2222, BC547(X) Message-ID: <20031225162959.A2140@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I have investigated the issue of using BC547(X) transistors instead of 2N3904 and found out they are performing fairly good. So that from now, 2N2222 and BC547(X) are approved to be used (but are still listed at the end because give not as pretty waveform as 2N3904). Ahoj Prozkoumal jsem na Mnaguv podnet otazku pouzivani BC547 misto 2N3904 a zjistil, ze si vedou prekvapive dobre. Proto od tedka jsou 2N2222 a BC547(X) oficialni ekvivalenty a muzou se jima nahrazovat 2N3904 v Ronje (ale stale jsou umisteny az na konci seznamu ekvivalentu protoze nedavaji tak hezkou krivku jako 2N3904). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Thu Dec 25 15:45:15 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Thu Dec 25 15:45:01 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: HI In-Reply-To: <000001c3ca50$5f3e03c0$0201a8c0@sergio>; from sergeys@laserlink.org on Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 03:59:59PM -0300 References: <000001c3ca50$5f3e03c0$0201a8c0@sergio> Message-ID: <20031225164515.C2140@beton.cybernet.src> On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 03:59:59PM -0300, SergeyS wrote: > Hello Mr Ronja > Im Sergio from Argentina.I would like to make your optic Ronja system > I have the question,.. What SUPERFLUX diode should I use for optic Ronja system? > What kind of SUPERFLUX do I need to use in the case 50 mm lents ? > I would like to obtain the workers distance for 1km > > Red > TLWR7600 > http://www.vishay.com/docs/83138/83138.pdf > > Red (TLCR5100 > http://www.vishay.com/docs/83138/83138.pdf I can't find TLCR5100 in the mentioned datasheet. > > TLHF5800 ------4?? > http://www.vishay.com/docs/83026/83026.pdf > > http://www.luxeonstar.com/luxeon-collimator.html ?????????????????? ?????? > LXHL-PH01 Emitter Red-Orange Lambertian 55 140 2.95 385 > http://www.luxeonstar.com/luxeon-emitter.html > > or HPWT-BH00-H4000----HPWT-BH00-G4000 If the above list is a list of what you are able to buy, then buy HPWT-BH00-H4000 or (slightly worse) HPWT-BH00-G4000. Otherwise, recommended type is HPWT-BD00-E4000. Cl< From lisud at volny.cz Thu Dec 25 21:51:42 2003 From: lisud at volny.cz (lisud) Date: Thu Dec 25 21:45:11 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Traficko pro TP In-Reply-To: <3FEA0DE0.6080607@volny.cz> References: <3FEA0DE0.6080607@volny.cz> Message-ID: <3FEB5BEE.6010400@volny.cz> Rad bych ziskal nejaky typy traf ze sitovek, ktery lze pouzit jak uz pro hnizdo tak pro plosnaky ala Simandl ted sem je doosadil a zacal maraton shaneni traficka ..na to kolik se mi tu seslo sitovek sem zjistil ze hodne jich je na prd neb maj jiny vnitrni zapojeni tech traf... no moje poznatky jsou asi takovy ze : to SPRAVNY trafo nema mit nozky c.4,5,11,12 a dle datasheetu ma mit vyvody nozek 9-16 smerujici ven na konektor RJ45 a vyvody nozek 1-8 mirici dovnitr do elektroniky. (tedy da se to da vyjadrit ze prava polovina brouka miri na konektor a leva do elektroniky ) ...no a tim se lisi od spousty jinych NEPOUZITELNYCH (teda v pripade plosnaku a myslim si i v pripade hnizda) traficek,ktery maji zapojeni nozicek c.1- 4 a c.13-16 miricich do elektroniky.. a vyvody nozek 5-12 mirici na konektor RJ45 (tedy ze vyvody z horni casti brouka smeruji do elektroniky a vyvody z dolni poloviny smeruji na konektor RJ45) (jeste poznamka tyhle trafa maj vsech 16 nozek) ...no doufam ze je z toho trosku poznat ktery jsou spatny a ktery dobry .. no a k tem SPRAVNYM typum ...20F001N zde bylo mnohokrat brano do ust ... a po badani v datasheetech jsem nasel i FB2022 ( http://www.bothhandusa.com/products/filters/FB2022_D_-RevA2-020819.PDF ) ..no a to je zatim vse... byl bych rad kdybyste se tez podelili o urcite typy jez jste pouzili at se tento seznam rozroste ...neb to hledani datasheetu je hodne casove narocny - teda ja osobne sem cekal ze to nebude tak obtizny je sehnat...vsude se tak vseobecne psalo ze se vytahne nejaky trafo a bude to behat ...ale ja vytah tri a ani jedno nepasovalo ...teda pasovalo ale vnitrne je zapojeny jinak tak jsem to ani neskousel... No zatim ahoj Dusik From clock at twibright.com Fri Dec 26 10:12:30 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Fri Dec 26 10:12:47 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 2N2369 Message-ID: <20031226111230.A1470@beton.cybernet.src> 2N2369 seem to be really cool - and they cost 11CZK (2N2369A) in GM. Adding them to the equivalent list just behind 2N3904. Cl< From boza2 at volny.cz Thu Dec 25 21:05:47 2003 From: boza2 at volny.cz (Ondrej Tesar) Date: Fri Dec 26 21:28:33 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: HI In-Reply-To: <20031225164515.C2140@beton.cybernet.src> References: <000001c3ca50$5f3e03c0$0201a8c0@sergio> <20031225164515.C2140@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <19725068872.20031225220547@volny.cz> Is the diode HPWT-BH00-H4000 better than -HPWT-BH00-G4000 or HPWT-BD00-E4000 ? If it is true, why is the recomanded HPWT-BD00-E4000 and not HPWT-BH00-H4000? OndraT >> or HPWT-BH00-H4000----HPWT-BH00-G4000 KK> If the above list is a list of what you are able to buy, then buy KK> HPWT-BH00-H4000 or (slightly worse) HPWT-BH00-G4000. KK> Otherwise, recommended type is HPWT-BD00-E4000. KK> Cl< KK> _______________________________________________ KK> Ronja mailing list KK> Ronja@lists.pointless.net KK> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From webmaster at frslabs.org Sat Dec 27 09:50:41 2003 From: webmaster at frslabs.org (webmaster) Date: Sat Dec 27 09:50:57 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky :( Message-ID: <20031227094743.M8632@frslabs.org> Ahoj nevite,kde v Praze sehnat ten Tranzistor BF908(nebo jeho ekvivalenty) a jednu z tech prijmacich diod ?GES i GM nemaj ani jedno.Pripadne pokud se nekomu v Praze vali doma nejaka volna suplikova zasoba tak rad odkoupim i s priplatkem :). Martin -=[FrS]=-Labs Havlicek From clock at twibright.com Sat Dec 27 15:25:10 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Dec 27 15:25:18 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Soucastky :( In-Reply-To: <20031227094743.M8632@frslabs.org>; from webmaster@frslabs.org on Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 10:50:41AM +0100 References: <20031227094743.M8632@frslabs.org> Message-ID: <20031227162510.A1358@beton.cybernet.src> On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 10:50:41AM +0100, webmaster wrote: > Ahoj nevite,kde v Praze sehnat ten Tranzistor BF908(nebo jeho ekvivalenty) a > jednu z tech prijmacich diod ?GES i GM nemaj ani jedno.Pripadne pokud se Na jaky vsechny ekvivalenty ses ptal? Cl< From clock at twibright.com Sat Dec 27 15:36:28 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Sat Dec 27 15:36:30 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Re: HI In-Reply-To: <000901c3cb5e$4ff7a560$0201a8c0@sergio>; from sergeys@laserlink.org on Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 12:13:57AM -0300 References: <000001c3ca50$5f3e03c0$0201a8c0@sergio> <20031225164515.C2140@beton.cybernet.src> <000901c3cb5e$4ff7a560$0201a8c0@sergio> Message-ID: <20031227163628.B1358@beton.cybernet.src> > Thank you for answer me,My problems are the lens .The lens have D -55mm > So I need a diode with bigger luminance Are you having a lens with diameter of 55mm? What distance are you going to run the link over? I have looked into the datasheet you linked. TLCR5100 is generally not good for Ronja. Cl< From cd930 at centrum.cz Sat Dec 27 18:27:01 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Sat Dec 27 18:29:00 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Halfduplex References: Message-ID: <001701c3cca7$05f43100$0101a8c0@cz> Jestli mohu poradit. Tak jsem problem resil 2 zpusoby: 1) rebootnul jsem si comp pred disketu do DOSu a v DOS utilitce jsem kart= e prikazal (ulozil do EEPROM) full duplex 2) ve Win je moznost nastavit typ media sitovky...odfajkuj si 10MBps FD -=3DRYS=3D- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jir=ED Rozumek" To: Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: [Ronja] Halfduplex > Chodi ronja i jako halfduplex? - vsude se pise jen o fullduplexu > popr. jak donutit windows 2000 k praci ve fullduplx - je k tomu nekde nejaky podrobny navod? v mailing listech jsem nasel jen neco ve smyslu zm= eny registru karty - nikde ale zadny navod typu stahni tento program, zmen to= dle ... > > Jeste by me zajimalo, jake pouzivate ovladace, jestli od M$ nebo origin= al 3com > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ____ > Eurotel Data Nonstop - neomezen=FD p=F8=EDstup na internet za 649,- (s = DPH 681,45)K=E8 m=ECs=ED=E8n=EC! http://www.atlas.cz/clickAD.asp?ad=3D43758 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 29 06:24:43 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Dec 29 06:24:49 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Vadilo nekomu cerveny svetlo ? In-Reply-To: <001f01c3cd8b$6e289f10$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA>; from dj_boy@seznam.cz on Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 10:41:42PM +0100 References: <001f01c3cd8b$6e289f10$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> Message-ID: <20031229072443.A176@beton.cybernet.src> > Treba aby si na nas nesel nejakej duchodce stezovat (a my to pak museli Musite udelat Ronju tak silnou aby si uz pak NESEL stezovat ;-) > predelat na Infra a nebo spoj uplne zrusit), tak jaky argumenty jste pouzili > ? Je nejakej odkaz, kde se da docist ze to svetlo neni zdravi skodlive ? Ja > bych si to vytiskl a ukazoval kdyby mel nekdo namitky. Ve specifikacich Metropolis http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/spec.php je, ze vyhovuje ty vyhlasce. K overeni vypoctem je treba: Vyhlaska 480/2000Sb. (odkaz je v http://ronja.twibright.com -> Links), datasheet od pouzity diody (http://ronja.twibright.com -> Datasheets) + ohniskova vzdalenost a prumer cocky. Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Mon Dec 29 10:00:16 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Mon Dec 29 10:00:26 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Vadilo nekomu cerveny svetlo ? In-Reply-To: <20031229072443.A176@beton.cybernet.src> References: <001f01c3cd8b$6e289f10$2e6abfd5@ZMATENYCIVILISTA> <20031229072443.A176@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <1077.194.228.223.178.1072692016.squirrel@webmail.melzer.cz> >> Treba aby si na nas nesel nejakej duchodce stezovat (a my to pak >> museli > > Musite udelat Ronju tak silnou aby si uz pak NESEL stezovat ;-) > >> predelat na Infra a nebo spoj uplne zrusit), tak jaky argumenty jste >> pouzili ? Je nejakej odkaz, kde se da docist ze to svetlo neni zdravi >> skodlive ? Ja bych si to vytiskl a ukazoval kdyby mel nekdo namitky. > > Ve specifikacich Metropolis > http://ronja.twibright.com/metropolis/spec.php je, ze vyhovuje ty > vyhlasce. > > K overeni vypoctem je treba: Vyhlaska 480/2000Sb. (odkaz je v > http://ronja.twibright.com -> Links), datasheet od pouzity diody > (http://ronja.twibright.com -> Datasheets) + ohniskova vzdalenost a > prumer cocky. Primo pod retranslacnim bodem linky Beharovice - Ratisovice vede silnice -> tj svetlo roni z beharovic je velmi dobre viditelne. Krome jinych fam (vojenske zarizeni, kamerovy system apod) dle jednoho mistniho tam havaroval malem autobus jak si ridic mohl hlavu vykroutit, ale oficialni dohru to zadnou nemelo. (Ridic mel maslo na hlave ze:-) S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo From xkutale1 at fi.muni.cz Mon Dec 29 10:46:31 2003 From: xkutale1 at fi.muni.cz (David Kutalek) Date: Mon Dec 29 10:46:38 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900-combo vs 3c900B CMB Message-ID: <3FF00607.5060803@fi.muni.cz> Hi there, I had problems setting full duplex on linux with 3c900-combo (recognized by Linux as Boomerang). Driver accepted full_duplex=1 parameter but sending didn't work at all (TX errors in dmesg). I replaced it by 3c900B CMB (recognized by Linux as Cyclone) and it works in full duplex fine. When you compare these two cards, Cyclone is newer model - it has next version of main processor. We also inspected drivers for Win2k for Cyclone and it seems it features setting AUI full duplex - we are going to test it on link Linux-Win2k today. Kuty From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 29 11:01:16 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Dec 29 11:01:33 2003 Subject: [Ronja] 3c900-combo vs 3c900B CMB In-Reply-To: <3FF00607.5060803@fi.muni.cz>; from xkutale1@fi.muni.cz on Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:46:31AM +0100 References: <3FF00607.5060803@fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: <20031229120116.A31363@beton.cybernet.src> On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:46:31AM +0100, David Kutalek wrote: > Hi there, > > I had problems setting full duplex on linux with 3c900-combo (recognized > by Linux as Boomerang). Driver accepted full_duplex=1 parameter but > CMB (recognized by Linux as Cyclone) and it works in full duplex fine. > When you compare these two cards, Cyclone is newer model - it has next > version of main processor. We also inspected drivers for Win2k for > Cyclone and it seems it features setting AUI full duplex - we are going > to test it on link Linux-Win2k today. I got this one: Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c900 Combo [Boomerang] (rev 0). IRQ 11. Linux version 2.4.23 (root@beton) (gcc version 3.2.2) #3 Mon Dec 15 20:36:59 CET 2003 And had no problems (except I had to apply recent Randy Dunlap's patch to be able to use the options not only from modules, but also from kernel boot). These messages (TX errors) are sometimes caused by noise being received on RX. The cards are sometimes confused when they see permanent noise on the input. The problem vanishes as soon as the link is aimed. Sometimes the card and/or operating system crashes when exposed to noise (experienced on some flavour of BSD at us here). This is a bug of the card and/or OS. Cl< > > Kuty > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 29 11:07:45 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Dec 29 11:07:47 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Price drop / snizeni cen Message-ID: <20031229120745.A31441@beton.cybernet.src> I have update prices from 2002 to 2003 and Metropolis dropped from 458.10 CZK to 420.60 CZK Updatoval jsem ceny z roku 2002 na rok 2003 a cena soucastek na Metropolis klesla z 458.10Kc na 420.60Kc. CL< From clock at twibright.com Mon Dec 29 18:07:12 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Mon Dec 29 18:07:39 2003 Subject: [Ronja] GPL -> OHGPL? Message-ID: <20031229190712.A32264@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I am considering changing Ronja's license from GPL to OHGPL. Any comments, suggestions? Cl< From ladmanj at volny.cz Mon Dec 29 19:12:31 2003 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Mon Dec 29 19:27:20 2003 Subject: [Ronja] GPL -> OHGPL? In-Reply-To: <20031229190712.A32264@beton.cybernet.src> References: <20031229190712.A32264@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200312292012.32036.ladmanj@volny.cz> Co to je? Open Hardware? Asi jo. On Monday 29 of December 2003 19:07, Karel Kulhav? wrote: > Hello > > I am considering changing Ronja's license from GPL to OHGPL. > > Any comments, suggestions? > > Cl< > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From honza at hoidekr.net Mon Dec 29 23:18:09 2003 From: honza at hoidekr.net (honza@hoidekr.net) Date: Mon Dec 29 23:18:50 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win Message-ID: <1124.194.228.76.1.1072739889.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Ahoj Ronju jsem postavil na propojeni dvou pocitacu vzdalenych asi 120m. Zdalo se mi to jako idealni reseni za rozumnou cenu. Moje zkusenosti: Postavit Ronju podle navodu dokaze kazdy a doporucuju dodrzet navod, jak je napsany. Pokud stavite jeden spoj, tak se urcite nevyplati nevyzkousene plosnaky. Velikost cocek se naddimenzujte. Prosvitit mlhu je celkem dobra vlastnost. ;-) Zamereni na 120 metru je bezproblemove. Vidite presne, kam to sviti. RSSI je jen pro kontrolu. Provoz je bechybny, ale je par veci, o kterych se moc nepise. Problem neni v Ronje, ale ovladace sitovek ve windows. Po vsech pokusech muzu rict, ze Ronja s AUI je bajecna vec na postaveni paterni site, kde na obou stanach bude linux. Uchozeni Ronji ve win je doslova sazka do loterie. Moje postrehy: ISA karty 3c509 umi jenom half duplex. Ani v linuxu neni moznost je prepnout na full duplex. Vic jsem se s nimi nezabyval, tak je mozny, ze Ronja na nich chodi dobre, dejte vedet. PCI karty 3c90x a 3c59x umi full duplex na TP. Na AUI lze dobre nastavit full duplex v linuxu, ale ne ve win. DOSova utilita pro karty nastavi full duplex taky jenom pro TP. Ve win stejne jako v DOSu - karta jde nastavit full (half) duplex na TP nebo AUI (bez volby FD nebo HD). Pokud nastavite kartu v DOSu na AUI, urcite ji nerozbehnete na AUI full duplex pod win. Kombinovali jsem ovladace karty, jak to slo. Vse bezelo a chovalo se fajn, ale nesmelo dojit k velkemu datovemu toku. Rychlost prenosu okamzite klesla na 20-50kB/s. Pokud byl na obou stranach linux, vse bezelo jak ma = 1MB/s v obou smerech soucasne. Po pul roce od postaveni (a zamereni) Ronji jsem nahodou prisel na zajimavou vec. Pokud nastavite v DOSu kartu na TP full duplex a ve win ji potom ovladacem prepnete na AUI, zrejme zustane nastaveni full duplexu a prepne se jenom medium. Prenosy se znatelne zrychlily, ale kvalite linux-linux se jeste nevyrovnaji. Aspon je to pouzitelny. Mate nejakou radu? Zkousel jsem: ruzny ovladace - starsi i novejsi, od 3Com i M$ - vsechno se chova stejne. WPCREDIT - utilita, ktera umi zapisovat primo do PCI registru - nepodarilo se mi zjistit, jak to nastavit. Jake mate zkusenosti? Kde jsem na neco zapomnel? Diky Honza PS: neradte mi, at nepouzivam windows. Nejde o moje pocitace. From zapadlo at melzer.cz Tue Dec 30 06:36:17 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Tue Dec 30 06:36:26 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win In-Reply-To: <1124.194.228.76.1.1072739889.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> References: <1124.194.228.76.1.1072739889.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Message-ID: <200312300736.18006.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > ISA karty 3c509 umi jenom half duplex. Ani v linuxu neni moznost je > prepnout na full duplex. Umi to karty oznacene jako 3C509B pokud mozno co nejvyssi revize ( C). Potom to lze nastavit pres ethtool. Existuje take patch do modulu, ktery to umi nastavit natvrdo pri naloadovani modulu. > Vic jsem se s nimi nezabyval, tak je mozny, ze Ronja na nich chodi dobre, > dejte vedet. > > PCI karty 3c90x a 3c59x umi full duplex na TP. Na AUI lze dobre nastavit > full duplex v linuxu, ale ne ve win. > DOSova utilita pro karty nastavi full duplex taky jenom pro TP. > Ve win stejne jako v DOSu - karta jde nastavit full (half) duplex na TP > nebo AUI (bez volby FD nebo HD). > Pokud nastavite kartu v DOSu na AUI, urcite ji nerozbehnete na AUI full > duplex pod win. > Kombinovali jsem ovladace karty, jak to slo. Vse bezelo a chovalo se fajn, > ale nesmelo dojit k velkemu datovemu toku. > Rychlost prenosu okamzite klesla na 20-50kB/s. > Pokud byl na obou stranach linux, vse bezelo jak ma = 1MB/s v obou smerech > soucasne. > > Po pul roce od postaveni (a zamereni) Ronji jsem nahodou prisel na > zajimavou vec. Pokud nastavite v DOSu > kartu na TP full duplex a ve win ji potom ovladacem prepnete na AUI, > zrejme zustane nastaveni full duplexu > a prepne se jenom medium. Tohle je ten spravny pristup. >Prenosy se znatelne zrychlily, ale kvalite > linux-linux se jeste nevyrovnaji. > Aspon je to pouzitelny. > > Mate nejakou radu? > > PS: neradte mi, at nepouzivam windows. Nejde o moje pocitace. No ja jsem nakonec taky vymekl (postup s nastavenim nejdrive do FD a pak pres win do aui mi nebyl znam) a vyresil jsem to tak ze jsem dal na konec linuxovy bridge. (na zacatku byl linux server cilene). Je to PC 386, 8MB RAM, 60MB Hdd. Nainstaloval jsem si nekam jinam rh7.3 a pak kopirovanim souboru z neho na ten disk jsem distribuci minmalizoval. Vysledek je takovy ze je tam pouze jadro, par knihoven a misto initu je bash, ktery provede par prikazu (nahodi bridge) a zakonci to zaparkovanim disku. (filesystem je read only rezimu). Ma to tu vyhodu, ze vystupem je TP, a kdyz nedavno chtli pridat dalsi PC, tak jen croskabel mezi bridgem a PC nahradili switchem a neresili routovani ve widows (coz na win9x je neresitelne). Takhle to chodi na lince v Jablonnem nad Orlici. Bridgovani ronji se mi osvedcilo i na lince v Beharovicich. S tim rozdilem, ze tam jsou PC silnejsi a pouzivaji je zaroven jako pracovni stanice. (Bohuzel ne linuxove, ale pres rdesktop se konekti na ts). S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 30 08:36:36 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 30 08:36:41 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win In-Reply-To: <200312300736.18006.zapadlo@melzer.cz>; from zapadlo@melzer.cz on Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 07:36:17AM +0100 References: <1124.194.228.76.1.1072739889.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <200312300736.18006.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20031230093636.A14704@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 07:36:17AM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > > ISA karty 3c509 umi jenom half duplex. Ani v linuxu neni moznost je > > prepnout na full duplex. > > Umi to karty oznacene jako 3C509B pokud mozno co nejvyssi revize ( C). Potom > to lze nastavit pres ethtool. Existuje take patch do modulu, ktery to umi > nastavit natvrdo pri naloadovani modulu. > > > Vic jsem se s nimi nezabyval, tak je mozny, ze Ronja na nich chodi dobre, > > dejte vedet. > > > > > > PCI karty 3c90x a 3c59x umi full duplex na TP. Na AUI lze dobre nastavit > > full duplex v linuxu, ale ne ve win. > > DOSova utilita pro karty nastavi full duplex taky jenom pro TP. > > Ve win stejne jako v DOSu - karta jde nastavit full (half) duplex na TP > > nebo AUI (bez volby FD nebo HD). > > Pokud nastavite kartu v DOSu na AUI, urcite ji nerozbehnete na AUI full > > duplex pod win. > > Kombinovali jsem ovladace karty, jak to slo. Vse bezelo a chovalo se fajn, > > ale nesmelo dojit k velkemu datovemu toku. > > Rychlost prenosu okamzite klesla na 20-50kB/s. > > Pokud byl na obou stranach linux, vse bezelo jak ma = 1MB/s v obou smerech > > soucasne. > > > > Po pul roce od postaveni (a zamereni) Ronji jsem nahodou prisel na > > zajimavou vec. Pokud nastavite v DOSu > > kartu na TP full duplex a ve win ji potom ovladacem prepnete na AUI, > > zrejme zustane nastaveni full duplexu > > a prepne se jenom medium. > > Tohle je ten spravny pristup. Takze muzu napsat do navodu ze: 1) Testovani pod Windows se nepodporuje (neni arp -s) 2) Nastaveni pro provoz se udela ze a) se nastavi DOSovou utilitkou TP full duplex b) se ve Windows ovladac prepne na AUI ? Cl< From zapadlo at melzer.cz Tue Dec 30 11:19:49 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Tue Dec 30 11:20:08 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win In-Reply-To: <20031230093636.A14704@beton.cybernet.src> References: <1124.194.228.76.1.1072739889.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <200312300736.18006.zapadlo@melzer.cz> <20031230093636.A14704@beton.cybernet.src> Message-ID: <200312301219.49021.zapadlo@melzer.cz> > 2) Nastaveni pro provoz se udela ze a) se nastavi DOSovou utilitkou > TP full duplex b) se ve Windows ovladac prepne na AUI > Ano, ale i presto to neni uplne ok. Jak jiz tady psal Honza, rychlosti linuxu se to nevyrovna, ale proc jsem uz nezjistoval. S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Dec 30 11:26:30 2003 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue Dec 30 11:28:37 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win References: <1124.194.228.76.1.1072739889.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> Message-ID: <002a01c3cec7$c5ea8280$0101a8c0@cz> Ja na to sel jinak. V DOS konfiguratoru 3c50x / 3c90x jsem nastavil full duplex a ulozil do eeprom (93c46). Pote jsem eeprom vyletoval a zmenil na 4 adresach hex z TP na AUI, pote opet eeprom naletoval. Ve Win jsem nastavil hardware default a Win si nacetl konfig udaje z eeprom a bylo.... 1200MB/s zadnej problem. Problem je , ze u kazde revize karty je ten hex jinej. Ja to poresil tak, ze nejdrive jsem si nakonfiguroval TP/10Mbps/FULL DUPLEX a ulozil do eeprom. Tu vytahl a stahl binar. Pote jsem kartu opet vlozil a zmenil na AUI a opet vytahl eeprom. Porovnanim vypisu zjistim, kde se uklada info o AUI. Takze v puvodnim vypisu TP/10Mbps/FULL DUPLEX upravim 4 adresy dle druheho vypisu, kde ja zapnut AUI a takto upravenej binar naleju zpet do eeprom karty.....cili karta je defaultne prepnuta do AUI/10Mbps/FULL DUPLEX . Je na hovno, ze neni soft pod DOS/WIN kterym se da stahovat/natahovat binar z/do eeprom. Na kazdej pad to funguje timto zpusobem nejen s 3Com kartama. -=RYS=- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:18 AM Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win > Ahoj > > Ronju jsem postavil na propojeni dvou pocitacu vzdalenych asi 120m. > Zdalo se mi to jako idealni reseni za rozumnou cenu. > > Moje zkusenosti: > > Postavit Ronju podle navodu dokaze kazdy a doporucuju dodrzet navod, jak > je napsany. > Pokud stavite jeden spoj, tak se urcite nevyplati nevyzkousene plosnaky. > > Velikost cocek se naddimenzujte. Prosvitit mlhu je celkem dobra vlastnost. > ;-) > > Zamereni na 120 metru je bezproblemove. Vidite presne, kam to sviti. RSSI > je jen pro kontrolu. > > Provoz je bechybny, ale je par veci, o kterych se moc nepise. > Problem neni v Ronje, ale ovladace sitovek ve windows. > Po vsech pokusech muzu rict, ze Ronja s AUI je bajecna vec na postaveni > paterni site, kde na obou stanach bude linux. > Uchozeni Ronji ve win je doslova sazka do loterie. > Moje postrehy: > ISA karty 3c509 umi jenom half duplex. Ani v linuxu neni moznost je > prepnout na full duplex. > Vic jsem se s nimi nezabyval, tak je mozny, ze Ronja na nich chodi dobre, > dejte vedet. > > PCI karty 3c90x a 3c59x umi full duplex na TP. Na AUI lze dobre nastavit > full duplex v linuxu, ale ne ve win. > DOSova utilita pro karty nastavi full duplex taky jenom pro TP. > Ve win stejne jako v DOSu - karta jde nastavit full (half) duplex na TP > nebo AUI (bez volby FD nebo HD). > Pokud nastavite kartu v DOSu na AUI, urcite ji nerozbehnete na AUI full > duplex pod win. > Kombinovali jsem ovladace karty, jak to slo. Vse bezelo a chovalo se fajn, > ale nesmelo dojit k velkemu datovemu toku. > Rychlost prenosu okamzite klesla na 20-50kB/s. > Pokud byl na obou stranach linux, vse bezelo jak ma = 1MB/s v obou smerech > soucasne. > > Po pul roce od postaveni (a zamereni) Ronji jsem nahodou prisel na > zajimavou vec. Pokud nastavite v DOSu > kartu na TP full duplex a ve win ji potom ovladacem prepnete na AUI, > zrejme zustane nastaveni full duplexu > a prepne se jenom medium. Prenosy se znatelne zrychlily, ale kvalite > linux-linux se jeste nevyrovnaji. > Aspon je to pouzitelny. > > Mate nejakou radu? > > Zkousel jsem: > ruzny ovladace - starsi i novejsi, od 3Com i M$ - vsechno se chova stejne. > WPCREDIT - utilita, ktera umi zapisovat primo do PCI registru - nepodarilo > se mi zjistit, jak to nastavit. > > Jake mate zkusenosti? Kde jsem na neco zapomnel? > > Diky Honza > > PS: neradte mi, at nepouzivam windows. Nejde o moje pocitace. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ronja mailing list > Ronja@lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > From zapadlo at melzer.cz Tue Dec 30 11:28:48 2003 From: zapadlo at melzer.cz (Petr Zapadlo) Date: Tue Dec 30 11:28:59 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Prodlouzeni dosahu na ukor snizeni rychlosti. Message-ID: <200312301228.48956.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Zdravim mel bych na tebe Clocku dotaz: Obecne se da vzdalenost prodlouzit snizenim modulacni rychlosti. Neslo by neco podobneho provest i na Ronje? Vim ze jsi delal Loopipe (nebo jak se to jmenovalo) co jsi provozoval pres RS232. Tedy vyrazne nizssi rychlost. Nedalo by jit i timto smerem pro delsi vzdalenosti? Pro urcite pouziti by to nicemu nevadilo. Proc jsi to nakonec odpiskal? Kvuli mechanickemu provedeni, nebo to melo i jine vady? Je mozne se jeste na ta schemata podivat, jen tak pro zajimavost? (Bohuzel jsem si tenkrat neudelal kopii, projekt ronja sleduji asi cca 4 - 5 let) V soucasne dobe se daji velmi levne koupit i rychle seriove porty, takze limit 115200 baud by se dal pounout i podstatne vyse. No a sitovat pres seriove porty je sranda (zvlast v linuxu). Dekuji za odpovedi. Vsem Ronjakum preji mnoho chodicich linek a malo vystreloveho sumu a mlh do noveho roku :-). S pozdravem -- Petr "Zapik" Zapadlo Ing. Petr Zapadlo vedouc? odd?len? syst?mov? podpory Melzer, spol. s r.o. Doln? 71, 796 01 Prost?jov tel: 582 330 301 fax: 582 330 302 mailto: zapadlo@melzer.cz http://www.melzer.cz From exolon at seznam.cz Tue Dec 30 18:35:09 2003 From: exolon at seznam.cz (Exolon) Date: Tue Dec 30 18:36:32 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11376006050.20031230193509@seznam.cz> rrlpn> Ja na to sel jinak. rrlpn> V DOS konfiguratoru 3c50x / 3c90x jsem nastavil full duplex a ulozil do rrlpn> eeprom (93c46). rrlpn> Pote jsem eeprom vyletoval a zmenil na 4 adresach hex z TP na AUI, pote opet rrlpn> eeprom naletoval. rrlpn> Ve Win jsem nastavil hardware default a Win si nacetl konfig udaje z eeprom rrlpn> a bylo.... rrlpn> 1200MB/s zadnej problem. rrlpn> -=RYS=- No, ja myslim ze taketo hardcore postupy ako vyletovavat eeprom hadam nieje treba. Ja som postupoval dost podobne ako tu uz bolo naznacene, ale pokusim sa to tu teraz trochu podrobnejsie popisat. Predpokladom je samozrejme mat nainstalovany linux (v mojom pripade Debian 3.0), utilitku na nastavovanie sietovky zo stranok 3Comu a v linuxe este nainstalovany balik nictools_nopci. Experimenty som robil so sietovkami 3C905B (neviem co mate presne na mysli tymi rev. karty,na mojej som mal napisane 3C905B-C a dole pod tym REV-A - takze asi to bude rev. A ze? to C bude nieco ine) rok vyr. 1994 a 1995. Takze postupoval som nasledovne: (1) - nabootoval dos a nastavil kartu na TP, Full Duplex enabled (2) - nabootoval linux a pomocou utilitky el3diag z balika si nechal vypisat obsah eeprom tej karty, dostal som cosi taketo (popisem tu hned aj vyznam niektorych words ktory som celym tymto postupom zistil): MT - interface type - typ int. (BNC/AUI/TP) TP: 0010 AUI: 4010 FD - fullduplex (enabled/disabled) enabled: 9310 disabled: 1310 CS - checksum - kontrolny sucet - zalezi na predchdzajucich datach 0020 AFB7 27DC 9450 BE7A 0041 4841 6D50 0010 A000 0020 AFB7 27DC 9310 -IT- -FD- 0000 7533 -CS- (3) - opat nabootovanie do dosu a zmena na TP, Full Duplex disabled (4) - nabootovanie linuxu a vypis pomocou el3diag 0020 AFB7 27DC 9450 BE7A 0041 4841 6D50 0010 A000 0020 AFB7 27DC 1310 -IT- -FD- 0000 75B3 -CS- ako vidiet zmenili sa 2 wordy, to ze posledy bude nejaky checksum sa da predpokladat, a kedze sa zmenily 2 wordy ten druhy bude tym padom zap/vyp fullduplexu (5) - zasa nabootovanie do dosu a nastavenie na AUI, Full Duplex disabled (kedze enabled to nepovoli) (6) - boot do linuxu, el3diag 0020 AFB7 27DC 9450 BE7A 0041 4841 6D50 4010 A000 0020 AFB7 27DC 1310 -IT- -FD- 0000 75F3 -CS- ako vidiet -FD- sa nezmenil oproti (4) takze tym som ho identifikoval a zmenil sa este -IT- takze teraz viem ako a kde sa nastvuje AUI/TP/BNC a samozrejme posledny, ktory sa menil stale je checksum -CS- (7) - takze teraz vyvstava otazka ako nastavit AUI a FD enabled, nabootujeme preto znovu dos a nastavime kartu na TP, FD enabled (8) - nabootujeme linux a tentokrat pomocou utilitky 3c5x9setup zmenime interface type na AUI takto (nemusi to byt skusal som to uz davnejsie, takze si presne nepametam): # 3c6x9setup eth0 --new-interface AUI a vypisal som si potomto obsah eeprom s el3diag 0020 AFB7 27DC 9450 BE7A 0041 4841 6D50 4010 A000 0020 AFB7 27DC 9310 -IT- -FD- 0000 cosi -CS- a co nevidim, jedine co sa zmenilo bol word urcujuci interface type na AUI, samozrejme checksum a FD zostalo enabled, takze zaver je ze utilitka 3c5x9setup meni naozaj iba word urcujuci interface type a nie aj word urcujuci FD en/dis tak ako to robi dosova utilita od 3Comu tymto postupom som teda dosiahol prepnutie karty na AUI, FD enabled, bohuzial v testoch sa vsak potom spravala len ako AUI, FD disabled -> asi som nemal tu spravnu reviziu :-( PF 2004 <- peregrin From clock at beton.cybernet.src Tue Dec 30 21:13:39 2003 From: clock at beton.cybernet.src (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:13:47 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win In-Reply-To: <002a01c3cec7$c5ea8280$0101a8c0@cz>; from cd930@centrum.cz on Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 12:26:30PM +0100 References: <1124.194.228.76.1.1072739889.squirrel@mail.clevernet.cz> <002a01c3cec7$c5ea8280$0101a8c0@cz> Message-ID: <20031230221339.C501@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 12:26:30PM +0100, -=RYS=- wrote: > Ja na to sel jinak. > V DOS konfiguratoru 3c50x / 3c90x jsem nastavil full duplex a ulozil do > eeprom (93c46). > Pote jsem eeprom vyletoval a zmenil na 4 adresach hex z TP na AUI, pote opet Jaky to byly adresy a co jsi tam dal? Cl< From clock at beton.cybernet.src Tue Dec 30 21:20:17 2003 From: clock at beton.cybernet.src (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:20:24 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Prodlouzeni dosahu na ukor snizeni rychlosti. In-Reply-To: <200312301228.48956.zapadlo@melzer.cz>; from zapadlo@melzer.cz on Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 12:28:48PM +0100 References: <200312301228.48956.zapadlo@melzer.cz> Message-ID: <20031230222017.D501@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 12:28:48PM +0100, Petr Zapadlo wrote: > Zdravim > > mel bych na tebe Clocku dotaz: > > Obecne se da vzdalenost prodlouzit snizenim modulacni rychlosti. Neslo by neco > podobneho provest i na Ronje? Z teoretickeho hlediska to jde provest u cehokoliv, tudiz i u Ronji. > > Vim ze jsi delal Loopipe (nebo jak se to jmenovalo) co jsi provozoval pres > RS232. Tedy vyrazne nizssi rychlost. Nedalo by jit i timto smerem pro delsi > vzdalenosti? Nevim. > Pro urcite pouziti by to nicemu nevadilo. Proc jsi to nakonec odpiskal? Kvuli > mechanickemu provedeni, nebo to melo i jine vady? Byl to starej rozvrzanej kram (ted mam na mysli ten navrh). > Je mozne se jeste na ta schemata podivat, jen tak pro zajimavost? (Bohuzel To nevim. Vyhrabavat to nebudu, pac je to shit. Podivej se do Photogallery jestli nekde v history/ nebo jak se ten adresar jmenuje nejsou nejaky ilustracni zb(l)ytky > jsem si tenkrat neudelal kopii, projekt ronja sleduji asi cca 4 - 5 let) > > V soucasne dobe se daji velmi levne koupit i rychle seriove porty, takze limit > 115200 baud by se dal pounout i podstatne vyse. > No a sitovat pres seriove porty je sranda (zvlast v linuxu). Cl< From clock at twibright.com Tue Dec 30 22:03:14 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Tue Dec 30 22:03:17 2003 Subject: [Ronja] Zkusenosti s Ronjou a problem s Win In-Reply-To: <11376006050.20031230193509@seznam.cz>; from exolon@seznam.cz on Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 07:35:09PM +0100 References: <11376006050.20031230193509@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20031230230314.B544@beton.cybernet.src> On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 07:35:09PM +0100, Exolon wrote: > > rrlpn> Ja na to sel jinak. > rrlpn> V DOS konfiguratoru 3c50x / 3c90x jsem nastavil full duplex a ulozil do > rrlpn> eeprom (93c46). > rrlpn> Pote jsem eeprom vyletoval a zmenil na 4 adresach hex z TP na AUI, pote opet > rrlpn> eeprom naletoval. > rrlpn> Ve Win jsem nastavil hardware default a Win si nacetl konfig udaje z eeprom > rrlpn> a bylo.... > rrlpn> 1200MB/s zadnej problem. > > rrlpn> -=RYS=- > > No, ja myslim ze taketo hardcore postupy ako vyletovavat eeprom hadam > nieje treba. Ja som postupoval dost podobne ako tu uz bolo naznacene, > ale pokusim sa to tu teraz trochu podrobnejsie popisat. Predpokladom > je samozrejme mat nainstalovany linux (v mojom pripade Debian 3.0), > utilitku na nastavovanie sietovky zo stranok 3Comu a v linuxe este > nainstalovany balik nictools_nopci. Experimenty som robil so > sietovkami 3C905B (neviem co mate presne na mysli tymi rev. karty,na > mojej som mal napisane 3C905B-C a dole pod tym REV-A - takze asi to > bude rev. A ze? to C bude nieco ine) rok vyr. 1994 a 1995. Co pise cat /proc/pci? From clock at twibright.com Wed Dec 31 22:55:09 2003 From: clock at twibright.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Karel_Kulhav=FD?=) Date: Wed Dec 31 22:55:23 2003 Subject: [Ronja] ronjaping: Happy New Year Message-ID: <20031231235509.A1522@beton.cybernet.src> Hello I would like wish to all Happy New Year and taking always the decision that feels to be good. Preji stastny novy rok a aby vzdycky ta cesta, z ktere je citit dobro, byla zvolena. As a small present I have written a special utility for testing Ronja links based on Eric Wassenaar's original ping. This is a patch that takes the packetloss and packet length information and transforms it using special mathematical transformation (probability formula plus quantile alias inverse normal distribution function) into information about signal-to-noise ratio (as a ratio and also as decibel (dB) count). Example: [...] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---- Waiting for outstanding packets ---- ! ---- djinn.cybernet.src (192.168.2.1) PING Statistics ---- 253323 packets transmitted, 253320 packets received, 0.0012% packet loss Ratio of signal photon rate to equivalent noise photon AC rate is 6.002314:1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SNR=7.78 dB ^^^^^^^^^^^ round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 2.79/2.82/48.9 (std = 0.276) Download at http://ronja.twibright.com/datasheets/ronjaping-20040101.tgz Cl<